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Re: AMI JBM200 Tropicana question
by Nigel Pugh 19 Mar '24

19 Mar '24

Hi Dean, You may find the issue is still the #3 switch, because even though it works ok, the transfer time between the contacts may be too long. For the search unit removal. Remove the power, then the comb edge connector from the search unit. Now remove the 3 large bolts in each corner of the search unit. Leave the last one in and steady it as you pull forwards. It will come off easily. Now you will see the stopping switch assembly. Only one of the switches on here is the stopping switch. Remove the circlip and pull forward. It will come off. Check the switches on the bench and check their connectivity on the wiper circuit on the rear. Clean the wiper tracks and clean the wiper contacts (these are still in the jukebox). Check dry joints where the wires from the stop switch is attached to the wiper track. When done set the carousel so that U0 (I think it's U0 but will clarify later) is at the top. Now slide the stopping switch assembly back on and line up the words 200 to the 3 o'clock position where there is a bit of a ledge in the mounting bracket. Also make sure you wind the record playing annunciator round to show U0 also). Re fit search unit and bolt up. Don't mess with anything on that unit as it has nothing to do with your problem. Connect the comb edge connector and select a record. Try all selections like A1,B2,C3,D4 so you have covered all letters and numbers. If the search unit spins forever on a certain letter or number then it's a poor connection on that comb contact. Hope that helps to get you going , Nigel, uk > > On 12 Mar 2024 at 07:52, Dean Carriveau via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> wrote: > > > Nygel, Tony, and John, > > Update, > I've checked the CS3 Micro-switch as I manually turned the cam with an Allen wrench. Both the NC and NO terminals showed the internal contacts top open and close properly with my ohm meter at it's lowest setting. Very little or no resistance. The control relay "R" operates and released correctly when I turn the cam manually to start the transfer motor and it will load and play a record, then after playing will return the record to the carousel. so I believe the "R" control relay winding is okay. I would like to check the stopping micro-switch but don't have easy access to it with the search unit still in the machine. I'm a little apprehensive about removing the search unit to bench test the micro-switch and then throwing sequencing out of adjustment. Any tips for how I can accomplish that? > Thanks for riding along with me on this misadventure. > Dean > > On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 01:37:19 PM PDT, Dean Carriveau <d.carriveau(a)att.net> wrote: > > Will do, NIgel. and thanks. I want to get this fixed once and for all. > Dean > > On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 10:26:41 AM PDT, Nigel Pugh <pughn(a)npsyssoft.force9.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi Dean,Keep us updated. You can put a hex key into the cam pivot and turn the mechanism power off to check the positions of the cam microswitches when you reassemble them. Have fun. RegardsNigel > > > On 10 Mar 2024 at 15:43, Dean Carriveau <d.carriveau(a)att.net> wrote: > > Tony, Nigel, John, > Thank you for your detailed responses You've given me some great advice. I haven't had the mechanism out of this machine for twenty or more years so it's about time I get it out and check those micro-switches as described. Hopefully I'll find the problem this week and let you know what it was. I really appreciate you taking the time to research and help. > Dean > > On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 01:33:20 AM PST, Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> wrote: > > Ok I have checked the manual and it is cam switch #3 switching too slowly. > Interestingly it is not mentioned in the troubleshooting for the previous > years' JAL model, so I reckon it must have been a route fault reported. > > My advice with the microswitches is replace it with a quality one. Not a > Chinese one. The tolerance between the NO and NC on this switch is crucial. > I actually got in the habit of taking the original Cherry ones apart and > cleaning them up, and a really slight bending of one of the contacts > internally to reduce the gap and make it switch faster. > > What you may find is, you turn your jukebox on today and it works perfectly. > Don't ask me why. But it will come back at some time. > > Nigel, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list [mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com] > Sent: 10 March 2024 03:43 > To: John Robertson via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com>; John > Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> > Cc: Nigel Pugh <pughn(a)npsyssoft.force9.co.uk> > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI JBM200 Tropicana question > > > > This is the answer here. > > > > Check the microswitch I mentioned in my previous email which is on the left > hand cam assembly by the side of the rear of the tonearm. It requires > removal of the mechanism. No others on that cam assembly will cause this > problem. > > Check also the stopping switch itself on the rotating plate behind the > search unit. There are 2 micros on there, one is the stopping switch the > other is the a/b side switch. > > Check the wipers at the rear of this unit (5) and clean the tracks with > deoxit. > > Check the detent solenoid microswitch right at the bottom middle of the > mechanism in the middle of the frame by the sprag assembly. > > Check the Jones plug and nylon plug connections to the R relay. I said in my > other email where it is. > > Your problem will likely be the cam switch micro. > > > > Bear in mind this was a rubbish design and although the mechanics of that > mechanism were all identical up to 1976, the electronics concerning this > issue were fiddled with and changed almost in a yearly basis, and improved > upon. The problem is that the microswitch wears and/or the cam assembly gets > a little sloppy, and it doesn't switch fast enough, and before it's switched > and stopped the carousel motor and engaged the transfer motor, the pin has > hopped. > > R relay is the symptom and not the problem. R transfers 28vac from the > carousel motor to the transfer motor. > > I've spent 40 years owning a Tropicana and working on the 1100 mech and know > exactly all the pinch points in this circuit. R also has a cap/resistor time > delay on it. > > Nigel, uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10 Mar 2024 at 03:30, John Robertson via Jukebox-list > <jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> wrote: > > > > > > On 2024/03/09 7:07 p.m., Tony Miklos via Jukebox-list wrote: > > > I forget which, but one of those micro switches is in the circuit > > > for both A & B sides. A bad micro switch is most likely the > > > problem. I've seen it many times. > > > > > > Tony > > > > I completely agree with Tony, One of the first things I teach my > > apprentices (after the electrical safety bit) is to go for the easy > > fixes - test EVERY SINGLE microswitch with a continuity tester and > > watch for bouncing readings while tripping and afterwards. > > Microswitches must trip cleanly and stay tripped. No noise, just a > > clean closure as the switch is pushed from just activate until the > > button bottoms out on the body of the switch. > > > > Any noise? Replace, retest, go on to next switch. > > > > This fixes so many issues that the machine is often ready to go out > > once all the switches are dealt with. > > > > Contacts are the biggest headache in machines. > > > > John :-#)# > > > > > > > > On 3/9/2024 8:18 PM, Dean Carriveau via Jukebox-list wrote: > > >> That was be my first thought as well but it jumps both inner and > > >> outer pin tracks and I cannot locate the "R" relay that should be > > >> energized. I don't believe both micro-switches failed at the same > > >> time. > > >> > > >> Dean > > >> > > >> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 04:07:59 PM PST, Dean Carriveau via > > >> Jukebox-list<jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> My JBM200 Tropicana has gone from intermittently failing readout > > >> to now solid failure to readout and start the transfer circuit. > > >> Read in circuity is fine. The selected pin sets properly on the > > >> pin assembly. When the magazine motor starts and moves the > > >> magazine and stopping switch gear, the stopping switch finds the > > >> selected pin but jumps right over it without stopping and starting > > >> the transfer cycle. My manual shows that Control Relay R operates > > >> along with the shift solenoid through the stop switch when a pin > > >> is encountered. My question is: Where in the heck is control relay > > >> R? I've found R1, R2, and R5 but cannot find R. in the machine or the > manual. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Dean > > > > -- > > John's Jukes Ltd. > > 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 > > (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never > > die, they just flip out" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com To > > unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave(a)lists.netlojix.com > > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojixcom To unsubscribe > send an email to jukebox-list-leave(a)lists.netlojix.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com > To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave(a)lists.netlojix.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com > To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave(a)lists.netlojix.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/

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Seeburg A problems
by Jim McClave 19 Mar '24

19 Mar '24

Initial first look at a friends Seeburg M100A : Fairly loud buzzzing noise as soon as power is applied. Mechanism is stuck , wont move, even by turning the hub with power off. With power on the hub turns, but wont trip or do anything. I believe the buzzing is coming thru the speaker. Clutch problems?

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Facebook jukebox
by Tony Miklos 13 Mar '24

13 Mar '24

I'm trying to join the facebook jukebox market place and I keep getting turned down. On the "application" I wrote that I repair jukeboxes and would like to join to look for parts. A week or so later I get an email saying my application was rejected or something like that. What the heck? Do you need the secret password and handshake? Tony

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Tropicana Question
by Nigel Pugh 13 Mar '24

13 Mar '24

Hi Dean, You may find the issue is still the #3 switch, because even though it works ok, the transfer time between the contacts may be too long. For the search unit removal. Remove the power, then the comb edge connector from the search unit. Now remove the 3 large bolts in each corner of the search unit. Leave the last one in and steady it as you pull forwards. It will come off easily. Now you will see the stopping switch assembly. Only one of the switches on here is the stopping switch. Remove the circlip and pull forward. It will come off. Check the switches on the bench and check their connectivity on the wiper circuit on the rear. Clean the wiper tracks and clean the wiper contacts (these are still in the jukebox). Check dry joints where the wires from the stop switch is attached to the wiper track. When done set the carousel so that U0 (I think it's U0 but will clarify later) is at the top. Now slide the stopping switch assembly back on and line up the words 200 to the 3 o'clock position where there is a bit of a ledge in the mounting bracket. Also make sure you wind the record playing annunciator round to show U0 also). Re fit search unit and bolt up. Don't mess with anything on that unit as it has nothing to do with your problem. Connect the comb edge connector and select a record. Try all selections like A1,B2,C3,D4 so you have covered all letters and numbers. If the search unit spins forever on a certain letter or number then it's a poor connection on that comb contact. Hope that helps to get you going , Nigel, uk

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Re: Facebook jukebox
by Tony Miklos 13 Mar '24

13 Mar '24

I wont give them any of my information, or if I need to, I'll give them the wrong info. Or did they somehow hack into members personal computers. On 3/12/2024 3:06 PM, Don R wrote: > I’d think twice about joining anything belonging to Meta. 200,000 > user accounts were hacked last month. > > . https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2024/02/facebook-marketplace-users-s… > <https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2024/02/facebook-marketplace-users-s…>. > > Don Resor > > Sent from someone's iPhone > >> On Mar 12, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Tony Miklos via Jukebox-list >> <jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> wrote: >> >> I'm trying to join the facebook jukebox market place and I keep >> getting turned down. On the "application" I wrote that I repair >> jukeboxes and would like to join to look for parts. A week or so >> later I get an email saying my application was rejected or something >> like that. What the heck? Do you need the secret password and >> handshake? >> >> Tony >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave(a)lists.netlojix.com >> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>

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Seeburg C parts
by Jim McClave 12 Mar '24

12 Mar '24

Looking for Seeburg C items: 1 Pilaster, 1 animation drive chain, 2 animation motors, 2 color cylinder cages, Instruction glass . Thanks.

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Replacement Power Transformer for AMI R145 Amplifier
by M De Simone 12 Mar '24

12 Mar '24

> Good day to all, > As the title says I need to replace the power trans for a mid 50’s AMI amplifier. > I believe the HV is 700v and it supplies 5v for the 5U4 and 6.3v for the other tubes. > I’m looking at the Hammond 273BX as the voltage is correct and the mounting and overall size is very close. > I’m not good at matching these specs and hope someone could chime in with confirmation or a better suggestion. > Thanks, Mauro > > > Sent from my iPhone

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Free: Rock-Ola 448 glass
by Tony Miklos 12 Mar '24

12 Mar '24

I have a gutted 448 and most of the glass is in fair to very good condition. I'd hate to throw it out with the cabinet. If someone wants to come here for 1 piece or the entire cabinet, it's free. It's really gutted, I doubt there is anything on it besides the glass and metal grills. Wait, the record playing light holder is still there, I think held by 3 out of the 4 clips. I don't want to get into removing and shipping any of it. Tony

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Wurlitzer 1800 Tone Arm or other that will work.
by Tony Miklos 12 Mar '24

12 Mar '24

I'm still looking for a tone arm for a Wurlitzer 1800. If you know what other models use the same tone arm or one that will work that may help my search. The juke owner doesn't give a rats *** what it looks like, just so it works. I had bought one like in a 1900 but they are different and wont work. Name your price, I need to get this project moving. This is the last part I need for this project (I think so). Tony

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Trashcan Wallbox motor repair
by Paul Humel 12 Mar '24

12 Mar '24

I have a Trashcan Wireless Wallbox with a burned out motor. It looks like the motor is pretty much unobtainium, so I want to get it repaired. Does anyone in this group know of someone who could repair it? Thanks, Paul Humel

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