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Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LS-1 Warble
by Tony Miklos 28 Jan '23

28 Jan '23

On 1/1/2023 6:23 PM, Tony Miklos wrote: > Trying to narrow down this annoying warble sound. Does it on all > records but not always easy to hear. I only hear it in the vocals and > just on the A side. B sides are OK. The motor mounts are all nice > and soft as is the motor coupler. It does it at all volumes low or > high, low or high bass/treble. Can a failing motor drive cap cause > it? I know the motor cap is getting switched going from play to > select/scan mode, that difference is easy to hear from the motor. This machine is mine and although it's in nice condition, they are so ugly I might have to part it out. It got put aside but I have limited space for other machines in the shop so I'd like to sell it/get rid of it. I can't sell it with the warble. Any clues yet as to what is causing this? I didn't try changing the motor cap since it does it on only one side.

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Replacement Caps In Seeburg RCSU3
by Jerold Kress 26 Jan '23

26 Jan '23

I’m about replace a couple original electrolytic caps in a Seeburg RCSU3 before hooking it up for the first time. Two of the caps are 25uf/50V. I have either 22uf/50V or 33uf/50V. Any suggestions of which would be a better replacement or should I seek out 25uf’s. Thanks.

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Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G sound quality with stereo records
by joeymcd 24 Jan '23

24 Jan '23

I am pretty sure the cartridge you have was used on the G200 and newer like H and I models. Not sure. I don't have those models or manuals for them. You would have to research that. F80 F120 and G80 G120 would use the GE RPX - 040 style. Thats the one I see in them and use. You need to diagnose your problem before wasting money on cartridges. Even the one you are using should make no difference and sound good. You need to check what I have listed at minimum. A good cartridge option is Shure M77 series. It will fit with minimal modifications. Don't solder the tonearm cable to the cartridge. use some adapters. Again, diagnose the problem first. Joey McDonald From: "Jamie McElroy" <jamie.mcelroy1(a)gmail.com> To: "joeymcd" <joeymcd(a)mymts.net> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 10:11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G sound quality with stereo records Also my cartridge is the GE RPJ-047 if that makes a difference when discussion alternative cartridge options. Thanks again. - Jamie On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 6:26 PM joeymcd < [ mailto:joeymcd@mymts.net | joeymcd(a)mymts.net ] > wrote: Could be many reasons. Have you checked the tracking weight? Tonearm height and level? What is the condtion of the records you are playing? What is the condition of the amplifier? I have had AMI F and G jukes for a long time and no issues using the stereo compliant stylus with the original GE cartridge. There are some cartridge options if your cartridge is not original. Also you can plug in an external turntable to the amplifier for sound diagnosis. Joey McDonald From: "Jamie McElroy" < [ mailto:jamie.mcelroy1@gmail.com | jamie.mcelroy1(a)gmail.com ] > To: "joeymcd" < [ mailto:joeymcd@mymts.net | joeymcd(a)mymts.net ] > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 5:11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Question Thank you Joey. I did purchase a new stylus from Needles for Jukeboxes and it was a .7 Mil needle. However it still does not play stereo records well at all. The volume and quality is far inferior compared to the 50's and 60's records. Thank you again. Jamie On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:10 PM joeymcd < [ mailto:joeymcd@mymts.net | joeymcd(a)mymts.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Do you have the original GE cartridge in there? If you do then you probably had a 1 mil stylus in there designed to play mono records. The size of the needle fits the size of the groove on mono records of the 50's and some early 60's records. If you replaced with the same one then that would explain why there is no change. Using a 1 mil stylus on stereo records of the early 60's and newer will damage the records. Stereo records are designed to be used with a .7 mil stylus that fits the groove. Using a 1 mil mono needles on stereo records will plow out the records grooves and cause damage. Alternatively using a .7 mil stereo stylus you can play mono and stereo records. I use a .7 mil stylus in my AMI F and G and it works well. Needles for jukeboxes sells the stereo .7 mil needle. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie McElroy via Jukebox-list" < [ mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com | jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com ] > To: "Jukebox mailing list" < [ mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com | jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com ] > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 6:35:12 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question Hello all, I have an AMI G-80 and I recently replaced the original stylus with a new one. However, even before the change some records particularly mid to late 70's record as well as 80's records play at a low audio output. I have found some of these records do not play at the same audio strength as 50's and 60's records. Ami I doing something wrong or has anyone else noticed this with an older jukebox? Please give me your thoughts. Thank you Jamie _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list [ mailto:Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com | Jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com ] [ http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list | http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ] Searchable Archives: [ http://jukebox.markmail.org/ | http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ] BQ_END

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Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G sound quality with stereo records
by Nigel Pugh 24 Jan '23

24 Jan '23

Hi Jamie, Back to my original reply to you. I dont think you have a problem, unless the output of more modern records is seriously quiet that it's totally obvious. That is the way the records were made, coupled with your old cartridge, and the fact your machine doesn't have AVC to level the output of different records. I would advise upgrading your cartridge regardless. Shure M44C or Stanton 500, Stanton 400V3 or Pickering NP/AC. Regards Nigel > > On 24 Jan 2023 at 06:14, joeymcd via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> wrote: > > > I am pretty sure the cartridge you have was used on the G200 and newer like H and I models. > Not sure. I don't have those models or manuals for them. You would have to research that. > F80 F120 and G80 G120 would use the GE RPX - 040 style. Thats the one I see in them and use. > > You need to diagnose your problem before wasting money on cartridges. Even the one you are using > should make no difference and sound good. You need to check what I have listed at minimum. > > A good cartridge option is Shure M77 series. It will fit with minimal modifications. Don't solder the tonearm > cable to the cartridge. use some adapters. Again, diagnose the problem first. > > Joey McDonald > > > > > > From: "Jamie McElroy" <jamie.mcelroy1(a)gmail.com> > To: "joeymcd" <joeymcd(a)mymts.net> > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 10:11:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G sound quality with stereo records > > Also my cartridge is the GE RPJ-047 if that makes a difference when discussion alternative cartridge options. Thanks again. - Jamie > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 6:26 PM joeymcd < [ mailto:joeymcd@mymts.net | joeymcd(a)mymts.net ] > wrote: > > > > Could be many reasons. > Have you checked the tracking weight? > Tonearm height and level? > What is the condtion of the records you are playing? > What is the condition of the amplifier? > > I have had AMI F and G jukes for a long time and no issues using the stereo compliant > stylus with the original GE cartridge. > > There are some cartridge options if your cartridge is not original. > Also you can plug in an external turntable to the amplifier for sound diagnosis. > > Joey McDonald > > > > > > From: "Jamie McElroy" < [ mailto:jamie.mcelroy1@gmail.com | jamie.mcelroy1(a)gmail.com ] > > To: "joeymcd" < [ mailto:joeymcd@mymts.net | joeymcd(a)mymts.net ] > > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 5:11:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Question > > Thank you Joey. I did purchase a new stylus from Needles for Jukeboxes and it was a .7 Mil needle. However it still does not play stereo records well at all. The volume and quality is far inferior compared to the 50's and 60's records. Thank you again. > Jamie > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:10 PM joeymcd < [ mailto:joeymcd@mymts.net | joeymcd(a)mymts.net ] > wrote: > > BQ_BEGIN > Do you have the original GE cartridge in there? > If you do then you probably had a 1 mil stylus in there designed to play mono records. > The size of the needle fits the size of the groove on mono records of the 50's and some early 60's records. > If you replaced with the same one then that would explain why there is no change. > Using a 1 mil stylus on stereo records of the early 60's and newer will damage the records. > Stereo records are designed to be used with a .7 mil stylus that fits the groove. > Using a 1 mil mono needles on stereo records will plow out the records grooves and cause damage. > Alternatively using a .7 mil stereo stylus you can play mono and stereo records. > > I use a .7 mil stylus in my AMI F and G and it works well. > Needles for jukeboxes sells the stereo .7 mil needle. > > Joey McDonald > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamie McElroy via Jukebox-list" < [ mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com | jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com ] > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" < [ mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com | jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com ] > > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 6:35:12 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question > > Hello all, > I have an AMI G-80 and I recently replaced the original stylus with a new > one. However, even before the change some records particularly mid to late > 70's record as well as 80's records play at a low audio output. I have > found some of these records do not play at the same audio strength as 50's > and 60's records. Ami I doing something wrong or has anyone else noticed > this with an older jukebox? Please give me your thoughts. Thank you > > Jamie > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > [ mailto:Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com | Jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com ] > [ http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list | http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ] > Searchable Archives: [ http://jukebox.markmail.org/ | http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ] > > > > > BQ_END > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >

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Question
by Jamie McElroy 24 Jan '23

24 Jan '23

Hello all, I have an AMI G-80 and I recently replaced the original stylus with a new one. However, even before the change some records particularly mid to late 70's record as well as 80's records play at a low audio output. I have found some of these records do not play at the same audio strength as 50's and 60's records. Ami I doing something wrong or has anyone else noticed this with an older jukebox? Please give me your thoughts. Thank you Jamie

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Rock Ola accu trac arm pivot friction
by Nigel Pugh 22 Jan '23

22 Jan '23

Can anyone tell me please is there a bearing in the bottom of the brass tone arm pivot ? I cant tell with a torch if it's actually a bearing or an indent ? The reason I ask is, I have 3 of these arms and each one seems to have the same problem, there is too much horizontal friction in that bearing and the stylus cantilever is pulling the arm, so when you watch it close up it looks like the cantilever is doing a little dance to the let and right. I'm experienced in tonearm setup and have ruled out everything other than friction in that shaft. 1. Pivot shaft flushed clean with IPA and lighter fuel, spotless 2. Tonearm cable removed completely 3. Trip switch removed 4. Tracking set with digital guage between 2 and 7 grams (Shure M44MR original cartridge) 5. This issue usually occurs when attempting to track a cartridge at the lighter end of it's spec, or with stiff tonearm cable 6. If I track at 7 grams it's ok, but that's definitely not right. Should be 3 to 5. 7. Tried with kiddie spring and also counterbalance 8. Used various new and used styli, M44C and domestic M44-7 I've got 7 jukeboxes and 8 turntables and by a long shot this arm has infinitely more friction than all of them. And all 3 variants of this arm do also, hence asking if there is or should be a bearing in the pivot. Or, is it just a really bad design ? Any ideas ? I've had this 470 for around 30 years and only discovered this when I realised the crappy arm spring had stretched over time and was tracking on the lightest setting at 7g. So I made a counterbalance and that's how it's come to light that the arm don't like tracking below 7g. It also sounds much better at 7g. Something isn't right so I'm looking for an outside of the box thought or a sensible modification. Maybe there's nothing wrong at all and it's just a rubbish design. I did think about dropping a bearing into the shaft but haven't got one to hand. Nigel, uk

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1963 AMI ROVE JEL 200 TURNTABLE PROBLEM + INFO
by angkor3 20 Jan '23

20 Jan '23

Hi everybody! I need your help because I have a problem. I just started the restoration of an Ami Rowe JEL200. I have bought it perfectly working last summer but it has been sitting until last week because I was restoring another jukebox. Last week I decided to play a few records to check if everything was ok but it wasn't. I try to explain the problem as clearly as I can since my first language is not English. The mechanism works, the turntable turns but it plays the record very slowly (constant but slow). It gives me the idea that the Automix doesn't work anymore and that it is playing records like they all are 33 and not 45 RPM. Can this be the problem? Or what else? What do I have to check? I'd also like to know which are the correct color patterns for cabinet and painted metal parts in the font panel: online I have seen so many different combinations (some cabinets are in two colous, other just one; metal panels too and also the mech/turntable cover/tray are of various colours!). Thank you for your help and have a good day! Emanuel

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AMI G-80 Popping Sound
by Jamie McElroy 19 Jan '23

19 Jan '23

Hello all, I wonder if anyone can answer this question? On my AMI G-80, after a record plays, the tone arm lifts up and just a second before the record gripper picks up the record to place it back in the record rack, there is a loud "pop" sound from the speaker as if you scraped your finger over the needle really hard. But it's not a scratch sound, it's a popping sound when the tone arm lifts itself from the record. It must be the sound of the tone arm hitting the switch underneath the turntable cover to tell the record to be picked up but it reverberates through the speaker as a popping sound. Is anyone familiar with this and know how to eliminate it? Thank you for your help. Jamie

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TESTING VOLTAGE TO OA2s in Seeburg TSU5
by Jerold Kress 19 Jan '23

19 Jan '23

Jay, Where am I testing for the 150V on the OA2's? From a pin to ground or across two pins? --jerold k

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Update To Seeburg TUS5 Blowing Caps
by Jerold Kress 19 Jan '23

19 Jan '23

Jay Hennigan was correct, pins 6 & 7 on the 6X4 tube socket were shorting. I replaced the socket and C514 is now stable. However, one of the OA2 tubes glows bright blue at the base when I turn on the unit as if the tube is shorting. The issue follows the tube when I switch the OA2's. Has anyone seen this issue on an OA2? I'm assuming I need to replace both tubes before I put the TSU back in the jukebox. Thanks --jerold k

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