I am pretty sure the cartridge you have was used on the G200 and newer like H and I models. Not sure. I don't have those models or manuals for them. You would have to research that. F80 F120 and G80 G120 would use the GE RPX - 040 style. Thats the one I see in them and use.
You need to diagnose your problem before wasting money on cartridges. Even the one you are using should make no difference and sound good. You need to check what I have listed at minimum.
A good cartridge option is Shure M77 series. It will fit with minimal modifications. Don't solder the tonearm cable to the cartridge. use some adapters. Again, diagnose the problem first.
Joey McDonald
From: "Jamie McElroy" jamie.mcelroy1@gmail.com To: "joeymcd" joeymcd@mymts.net Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 10:11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G sound quality with stereo records
Also my cartridge is the GE RPJ-047 if that makes a difference when discussion alternative cartridge options. Thanks again. - Jamie
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 6:26 PM joeymcd < [ mailto:joeymcd@mymts.net | joeymcd@mymts.net ] > wrote:
Could be many reasons. Have you checked the tracking weight? Tonearm height and level? What is the condtion of the records you are playing? What is the condition of the amplifier?
I have had AMI F and G jukes for a long time and no issues using the stereo compliant stylus with the original GE cartridge.
There are some cartridge options if your cartridge is not original. Also you can plug in an external turntable to the amplifier for sound diagnosis.
Joey McDonald
From: "Jamie McElroy" < [ mailto:jamie.mcelroy1@gmail.com | jamie.mcelroy1@gmail.com ] > To: "joeymcd" < [ mailto:joeymcd@mymts.net | joeymcd@mymts.net ] > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 5:11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Question
Thank you Joey. I did purchase a new stylus from Needles for Jukeboxes and it was a .7 Mil needle. However it still does not play stereo records well at all. The volume and quality is far inferior compared to the 50's and 60's records. Thank you again. Jamie
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:10 PM joeymcd < [ mailto:joeymcd@mymts.net | joeymcd@mymts.net ] > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN Do you have the original GE cartridge in there? If you do then you probably had a 1 mil stylus in there designed to play mono records. The size of the needle fits the size of the groove on mono records of the 50's and some early 60's records. If you replaced with the same one then that would explain why there is no change. Using a 1 mil stylus on stereo records of the early 60's and newer will damage the records. Stereo records are designed to be used with a .7 mil stylus that fits the groove. Using a 1 mil mono needles on stereo records will plow out the records grooves and cause damage. Alternatively using a .7 mil stereo stylus you can play mono and stereo records.
I use a .7 mil stylus in my AMI F and G and it works well. Needles for jukeboxes sells the stereo .7 mil needle.
Joey McDonald
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Hello all, I have an AMI G-80 and I recently replaced the original stylus with a new one. However, even before the change some records particularly mid to late 70's record as well as 80's records play at a low audio output. I have found some of these records do not play at the same audio strength as 50's and 60's records. Ami I doing something wrong or has anyone else noticed this with an older jukebox? Please give me your thoughts. Thank you
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I have to agree with Joey with his suggestions. Don't swap out cartridges just yet. When you say "low audio output" compared to the 50's & 60's records you have, how much of a difference is there? Is the difference from normal volume to a whisper level, or is the drop in volume just a bit lower, or is the drop half as loud as before? It's hard to describe but if you are familiar with the audio terminology and have a keen ear, you could say it sounds about 3dB lower, or something like that. I had a F120 and if I recall (its been a while), it did not have any AVC (Automatic Volume Control) to keep the sound more constant from record to record.
So as others have said, it could be what your hearing is the difference of the records as they were mastered.
Hope this helps.
Karl
-----Original Message----- From: joeymcd via Jukebox-list Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 12:14 AM To: Jamie McElroy Cc: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G sound quality with stereo records
I am pretty sure the cartridge you have was used on the G200 and newer like H and I models. Not sure. I don't have those models or manuals for them. You would have to research that. F80 F120 and G80 G120 would use the GE RPX - 040 style. Thats the one I see in them and use.
You need to diagnose your problem before wasting money on cartridges. Even the one you are using should make no difference and sound good. You need to check what I have listed at minimum.
A good cartridge option is Shure M77 series. It will fit with minimal modifications. Don't solder the tonearm cable to the cartridge. use some adapters. Again, diagnose the problem first.
Joey McDonald
From: "Jamie McElroy" jamie.mcelroy1@gmail.com To: "joeymcd" joeymcd@mymts.net Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 10:11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G sound quality with stereo records
Also my cartridge is the GE RPJ-047 if that makes a difference when discussion alternative cartridge options. Thanks again. - Jamie
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 6:26 PM joeymcd < [ mailto:joeymcd@mymts.net | joeymcd@mymts.net ] > wrote:
Could be many reasons. Have you checked the tracking weight? Tonearm height and level? What is the condtion of the records you are playing? What is the condition of the amplifier?
I have had AMI F and G jukes for a long time and no issues using the stereo compliant stylus with the original GE cartridge.
There are some cartridge options if your cartridge is not original. Also you can plug in an external turntable to the amplifier for sound diagnosis.
Joey McDonald
From: "Jamie McElroy" < [ mailto:jamie.mcelroy1@gmail.com | jamie.mcelroy1@gmail.com ] > To: "joeymcd" < [ mailto:joeymcd@mymts.net | joeymcd@mymts.net ] > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 5:11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Question
Thank you Joey. I did purchase a new stylus from Needles for Jukeboxes and it was a .7 Mil needle. However it still does not play stereo records well at all. The volume and quality is far inferior compared to the 50's and 60's records. Thank you again. Jamie
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:10 PM joeymcd < [ mailto:joeymcd@mymts.net | joeymcd@mymts.net ] > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN Do you have the original GE cartridge in there? If you do then you probably had a 1 mil stylus in there designed to play mono records. The size of the needle fits the size of the groove on mono records of the 50's and some early 60's records. If you replaced with the same one then that would explain why there is no change. Using a 1 mil stylus on stereo records of the early 60's and newer will damage the records. Stereo records are designed to be used with a .7 mil stylus that fits the groove. Using a 1 mil mono needles on stereo records will plow out the records grooves and cause damage. Alternatively using a .7 mil stereo stylus you can play mono and stereo records.
I use a .7 mil stylus in my AMI F and G and it works well. Needles for jukeboxes sells the stereo .7 mil needle.
Joey McDonald
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie McElroy via Jukebox-list" < [ mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com | jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ] > To: "Jukebox mailing list" < [ mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com | jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ] > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 6:35:12 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question
Hello all, I have an AMI G-80 and I recently replaced the original stylus with a new one. However, even before the change some records particularly mid to late 70's record as well as 80's records play at a low audio output. I have found some of these records do not play at the same audio strength as 50's and 60's records. Ami I doing something wrong or has anyone else noticed this with an older jukebox? Please give me your thoughts. Thank you
Jamie _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list [ mailto:Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com | Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ] [ http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list | http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ] Searchable Archives: [ http://jukebox.markmail.org/ | http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ]
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