Seasons Greetings fellow members, I’m currently working on restoring an 1958 AMI model I120 and it occurred to me that the push buttons have all 200 selections with the last 8 letters blocked off. I’m wondering if the stepper would be same and any other differences? I have access to a 200 selections record basket and have a 200 selection title section on hand. Is that all it would take to convert it to 200 play? also I need to order new push buttons anyway, Anyone who has this information please share! Thank you, Mauro
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Hi Mauro,
Open up the pulse converter box (under the deck cover). Remove the metal grey cover if it is still there. You will see 2 red plastic wiper gears, and behind them, 2 wiper type PCB boards. Have a look at the number of segments on those.
If one has 10 segments and the other has 20 segments (or 2 more as one has extra, can't remember which) then it's likely it will work for 200 selection. If both have 10 segments, it's 100 selection. For a 120 it will be 10 and 12.
Also, look at the pulse generator i.e the wiper assembly in the centre just beneath the buttons. If there are about 33 pips, and they all have wires soldered to the back, and all of those wires are connected to the button bank - especially beneath your blanks, then you may be ok.
If there is no button bank assembly behind your blanks then it won't work
Also check the number of pins in the large rear casting. Sometimes the lesser selection ones have missing pins. It all depends if it's an Ami factory conversion or an aftermarket one. It may have started life as a 200 selection and been downgraded.
Also, you will need the V shaped title racks for the 200 selection in order to display the additional title cards.
Nigel, uk
On 18 Dec 2024 at 18:49, M De Simone via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:
Seasons Greetings fellow members, I’m currently working on restoring an 1958 AMI model I120 and it occurred to me that the push buttons have all 200 selections with the last 8 letters blocked off. I’m wondering if the stepper would be same and any other differences? I have access to a 200 selections record basket and have a 200 selection title section on hand. Is that all it would take to convert it to 200 play? also I need to order new push buttons anyway, Anyone who has this information please share! Thank you, Mauro
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I seem to remember that the keyboard switches are present underneath the blanked out section but you should verify they are wired up and that the pulse generator is the same. The circuit boards in the pulse generator are different, and I believe there are minor wiring differences and different timing caps, but it's been a long time and I may be confused with the Seeburg conversion. You'll need more pins and retainers for the pinwheel. Finally, there should only be four letters blanked out? You only have letters A and B? On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 01:48:55 PM EST, M De Simone via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:
Seasons Greetings fellow members, I’m currently working on restoring an 1958 AMI model I120 and it occurred to me that the push buttons have all 200 selections with the last 8 letters blocked off. I’m wondering if the stepper would be same and any other differences? I have access to a 200 selections record basket and have a 200 selection title section on hand. Is that all it would take to convert it to 200 play? also I need to order new push buttons anyway, Anyone who has this information please share! Thank you, Mauro
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That should be "boards in the pulse converter". On Thursday, December 19, 2024 at 07:22:10 AM EST, JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote:
I seem to remember that the keyboard switches are present underneath the blanked out section but you should verify they are wired up and that the pulse generator is the same. The circuit boards in the pulse generator are different, and I believe there are minor wiring differences and different timing caps, but it's been a long time and I may be confused with the Seeburg conversion. You'll need more pins and retainers for the pinwheel. Finally, there should only be four letters blanked out? You only have letters A and B? On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 01:48:55 PM EST, M De Simone via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:
Seasons Greetings fellow members, I’m currently working on restoring an 1958 AMI model I120 and it occurred to me that the push buttons have all 200 selections with the last 8 letters blocked off. I’m wondering if the stepper would be same and any other differences? I have access to a 200 selections record basket and have a 200 selection title section on hand. Is that all it would take to convert it to 200 play? also I need to order new push buttons anyway, Anyone who has this information please share! Thank you, Mauro
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If you have the Seeburg pulse converter, it usually has Seeburg rubber stamped on the back of the unit, and that one does have slightly different wiring around the timing capacitors, but it will make no difference to the jukebox selections, just the wallbox input.
Regards,
Nigel
On 19 Dec 2024 at 12:25, JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:
I seem to remember that the keyboard switches are present underneath the blanked out section but you should verify they are wired up and that the pulse generator is the same. The circuit boards in the pulse generator are different, and I believe there are minor wiring differences and different timing caps, but it's been a long time and I may be confused with the Seeburg conversion. You'll need more pins and retainers for the pinwheel. Finally, there should only be four letters blanked out? You only have letters A and B? On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 01:48:55 PM EST, M De Simone via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:
Seasons Greetings fellow members, I’m currently working on restoring an 1958 AMI model I120 and it occurred to me that the push buttons have all 200 selections with the last 8 letters blocked off. I’m wondering if the stepper would be same and any other differences? I have access to a 200 selections record basket and have a 200 selection title section on hand. Is that all it would take to convert it to 200 play? also I need to order new push buttons anyway, Anyone who has this information please share! Thank you, Mauro
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I've never heard of a Seeburg pulse converter on an AMI. Is this a foreign thing?
On 12/19/2024 9:07 AM, Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list wrote:
If you have the Seeburg pulse converter, it usually has Seeburg rubber stamped on the back of the unit, and that one does have slightly different wiring around the timing capacitors, but it will make no difference to the jukebox selections, just the wallbox input.
Regards,
Nigel
I've seen them here in Georgia on two J models. I believe it was to steal a location with Seeburg wallboxes. Keyboard and pulse converter stamped "Seeburg Conversion". It was not fun the first time troubleshooting because I wasn't aware and didn't have any documentation... On Thursday, December 19, 2024 at 09:28:21 AM EST, Tony Miklos via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:
I've never heard of a Seeburg pulse converter on an AMI. Is this a foreign thing?
On 12/19/2024 9:07 AM, Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list wrote:
If you have the Seeburg pulse converter, it usually has Seeburg rubber stamped on the back of the unit, and that one does have slightly different wiring around the timing capacitors, but it will make no difference to the jukebox selections, just the wallbox input. Regards, Nigel
I believe it was option offered by AMI. At the time there were many Seeburgs on location with wall boxes permanently wired. In order for an AMI dealer to have any success in selling there jukes and in taking over the location they had to be able to switch jukeboxes without tearing out all the wallboxes. This is what I recall hearing as an expiation in the past, it seems to make sense as it was a very competitive industry in the 1950’s. Mauro
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On Dec 19, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Tony Miklos via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:
I've never heard of a Seeburg pulse converter on an AMI. Is this a foreign thing?
On 12/19/2024 9:07 AM, Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list wrote: If you have the Seeburg pulse converter, it usually has Seeburg rubber stamped on the back of the unit, and that one does have slightly different wiring around the timing capacitors, but it will make no difference to the jukebox selections, just the wallbox input. Regards, Nigel
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No, it was a genuine factory option. They are labelled Seeburg in a rubber stamp on the back of it. The circuitry is slightly different. I had to rebuild one once and was confused as hell when it didn't match the schematic. Then I saw the stamp on the back. The resistor and capacitor arrangement is different. I really don't know why, as to convert an Ami to use a seeburg pulse only requires an adjustment of one of the letter or number wipers. This particular one was connected to a 3WA. (Consulette is a totally different pulse train)
Nigel, uk
On 19 Dec 2024 at 14:29, Tony Miklos via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:
I've never heard of a Seeburg pulse converter on an AMI. Is this a foreign thing?
On 12/19/2024 9:07 AM, Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list wrote:
If you have the Seeburg pulse converter, it usually has Seeburg rubber stamped on the back of the unit, and that one does have slightly different wiring around the timing capacitors, but it will make no difference to the jukebox selections, just the wallbox input.
Regards,
Nigel
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