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Paul Humel

7 Mar 2024 7 Mar '24

8:17 a.m.

I have a Trashcan Wireless Wallbox with a burned out motor. It looks like the motor is pretty much unobtainium, so I want to get it repaired.

Does anyone in this group know of someone who could repair it?

Thanks,

Paul Humel

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JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN

7 Mar 7 Mar

11:29 a.m.

Those are cheap and plentiful wallboxes. Most likely it would be cheaper to buy a complete wallbox for parts than having your motor rebuilt, even if you find someone to do it. There's one on eBay for $45 right now. On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 09:58:26 AM EST, Paul Humel via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:

I have a Trashcan Wireless Wallbox with a burned out motor. It looks like the motor is pretty much unobtainium, so I want to get it repaired.

Does anyone in this group know of someone who could repair it?

Thanks,

Paul Humel

3:22 p.m.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I'll keep an eye out for a complete wallbox at a "reasonable" price. The problem is that I have a W1-L56 Wireless Wallbox, and it's the only model that uses this motor. So there's not much of a selection.

I would try to rewind the stator myself (what do I have to lose?), but I have no clue as to what gauge wire to use. The wire looks about the diameter of the hair on my head (what's left of it...).

-----Original Message----- From: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list [mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com] Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 9:29 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Paul Humel; JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Trashcan Wallbox motor repair

I have a Trashcan Wireless Wallbox with a burned out motor. It looks like the motor is pretty much unobtainium, so I want to get it repaired.

Does anyone in this group know of someone who could repair it?

Thanks,

Paul Humel

JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN

8 Mar 8 Mar

10:49 a.m.

I didn't realize that motor was unique to that model. Any idea why? Is it a physical mounting difference or is it 110 vs 24 vac? On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 04:22:35 PM EST, Paul Humel humel@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion.

I would try to rewind the stator myself (what do I have to lose?), but I have no clue as to what gauge wire to use. The wire looks about the diameter of the hair on my head (what's left of it...).

I have a Trashcan Wireless Wallbox with a burned out motor. It looks like the motor is pretty much unobtainium, so I want to get it repaired.

Does anyone in this group know of someone who could repair it?

Thanks,

Paul Humel

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Paul Humel

12:13 p.m.

It’s not a physical mounting difference – the motor cases are identical. It’s 110 vs 24.

Wired Wallbox motors get their power directly over a 3 wire cable that connects to the 26 volt T2 transformer located in the Master Selection Receiver. Hence, the need for a 25 volt motor.

Wireless Wallboxes have no direct connection to the Master Selection Receiver, so their motors have to run off of their own 110 house AC power.

Today’s Trivia: The Wireless Wallboxes communicate with the Trashcan’s Master Selection Receiver by sending 250 KHz pulses to the MSR on top of the house’s 110 volt AC power. The MSR receives the 250 KHz pulses (I just realized that’s why it’s called a Master Selection Receiver!) and filters them out of the 110 volt AC power to pulse the 2050 tube in the Trashcan.

-----Original Message----- From: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list [mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com] Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 8:49 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list'; Paul Humel Cc: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Trashcan Wallbox motor repair

Thanks for the suggestion.

I would try to rewind the stator myself (what do I have to lose?), but I have no clue as to what gauge wire to use. The wire looks about the diameter of the hair on my head (what's left of it...).

I have a Trashcan Wireless Wallbox with a burned out motor. It looks like the motor is pretty much unobtainium, so I want to get it repaired.

Does anyone in this group know of someone who could repair it?

Thanks,

Paul Humel

JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN

1:29 p.m.

I believe there is a stepdown transformer in that wallbox. Have you checked the schematic to verify it's a 110 motor? I'll see if I can find paperwork later. On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 01:43:54 PM EST, Paul Humel via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:

It’s not a physical mounting difference – the motor cases are identical. It’s 110 vs 24.

Wired Wallbox motors get their power directly over a 3 wire cable that connects to the 26 volt T2 transformer located in the Master Selection Receiver. Hence, the need for a 25 volt motor.

Wireless Wallboxes have no direct connection to the Master Selection Receiver, so their motors have to run off of their own 110 house AC power.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I would try to rewind the stator myself (what do I have to lose?), but I have no clue as to what gauge wire to use. The wire looks about the diameter of the hair on my head (what's left of it...).

I have a Trashcan Wireless Wallbox with a burned out motor. It looks like the motor is pretty much unobtainium, so I want to get it repaired.

Does anyone in this group know of someone who could repair it?

Thanks,

Paul Humel

John Robertson

2:23 p.m.

Does anyone have schematics, etc for the Wireless Wallboxes of the 1940s? I only have one page 11031 from the master manual which doesn't cover the unit very well at all! Clear PDFs of at least 300DPI please.

Building a master library of all the original factory manual's pages...have 1.3gb archived so far...

Thanks!

John :-#)#

On 2024/03/08 11:29 a.m., JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list wrote:

...

I believe there is a stepdown transformer in that wallbox. Have you checked the schematic to verify it's a 110 motor? I'll see if I can find paperwork later. On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 01:43:54 PM EST, Paul Humel via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:

It’s not a physical mounting difference – the motor cases are identical. It’s 110 vs 24.

Wired Wallbox motors get their power directly over a 3 wire cable that connects to the 26 volt T2 transformer located in the Master Selection Receiver. Hence, the need for a 25 volt motor.

Wireless Wallboxes have no direct connection to the Master Selection Receiver, so their motors have to run off of their own 110 house AC power.

Today’s Trivia: The Wireless Wallboxes communicate with the Trashcan’s Master Selection Receiver by sending 250 KHz pulses to the MSR on top of the house’s 110 volt AC power. The MSR receives the 250 KHz pulses (I just realized that’s why it’s called a Master Selection Receiver!) and filters them out of the 110 volt AC power to pulse the 2050 tube in the Trashcan.

-----Original Message----- From: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list [mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com] Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 8:49 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list'; Paul Humel Cc: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Trashcan Wallbox motor repair

I didn't realize that motor was unique to that model. Any idea why? Is it a physical mounting difference or is it 110 vs 24 vac? On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 04:22:35 PM EST, Paul Humel humel@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion.

I'll keep an eye out for a complete wallbox at a "reasonable" price. The problem is that I have a W1-L56 Wireless Wallbox, and it's the only model that uses this motor. So there's not much of a selection.

I would try to rewind the stator myself (what do I have to lose?), but I have no clue as to what gauge wire to use. The wire looks about the diameter of the hair on my head (what's left of it...).

-----Original Message----- From: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list [mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com] Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 9:29 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Paul Humel; JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Trashcan Wallbox motor repair

Those are cheap and plentiful wallboxes. Most likely it would be cheaper to buy a complete wallbox for parts than having your motor rebuilt, even if you find someone to do it. There's one on eBay for $45 right now. On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 09:58:26 AM EST, Paul Humel via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:

I have a Trashcan Wireless Wallbox with a burned out motor. It looks like the motor is pretty much unobtainium, so I want to get it repaired.

Does anyone in this group know of someone who could repair it?

Thanks,

Paul Humel

-- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"

Paul Humel

3:43 p.m.

Hi John,

I have the entire Wireless Wallbox section (pages 11001 thru 11030) from the 1947 Seeburg Vol 2 Service Manual if you want any schematics, etc.

I’m curious, though. My manual doesn’t have a page 1131. Or is page 1131 from the 1948 version manual?

I already have a PDF version. But I don't know if it's at least 300DPI. How do I check it? And how do I post it on the jukebox-list?

Thanks,

Paul Humel

-----Original Message----- From: John Robertson via Jukebox-list [mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com] Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 12:23 PM To: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list Cc: John Robertson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Trashcan Wallbox motor repair

Building a master library of all the original factory manual's pages...have 1.3gb archived so far...

Thanks!

John :-#)#

On 2024/03/08 11:29 a.m., JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list wrote:

...

I believe there is a stepdown transformer in that wallbox. Have you checked the schematic to verify it's a 110 motor? I'll see if I can find paperwork later. On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 01:43:54 PM EST, Paul Humel via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:

It’s not a physical mounting difference – the motor cases are identical. It’s 110 vs 24.

Wired Wallbox motors get their power directly over a 3 wire cable that connects to the 26 volt T2 transformer located in the Master Selection Receiver. Hence, the need for a 25 volt motor.

Wireless Wallboxes have no direct connection to the Master Selection Receiver, so their motors have to run off of their own 110 house AC power.

Today’s Trivia: The Wireless Wallboxes communicate with the Trashcan’s Master Selection Receiver by sending 250 KHz pulses to the MSR on top of the house’s 110 volt AC power. The MSR receives the 250 KHz pulses (I just realized that’s why it’s called a Master Selection Receiver!) and filters them out of the 110 volt AC power to pulse the 2050 tube in the Trashcan.

-----Original Message----- From: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list [mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com] Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 8:49 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list'; Paul Humel Cc: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Trashcan Wallbox motor repair

I didn't realize that motor was unique to that model. Any idea why? Is it a physical mounting difference or is it 110 vs 24 vac? On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 04:22:35 PM EST, Paul Humel humel@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion.

I'll keep an eye out for a complete wallbox at a "reasonable" price. The problem is that I have a W1-L56 Wireless Wallbox, and it's the only model that uses this motor. So there's not much of a selection.

I would try to rewind the stator myself (what do I have to lose?), but I have no clue as to what gauge wire to use. The wire looks about the diameter of the hair on my head (what's left of it...).

-----Original Message----- From: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list [mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com] Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 9:29 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Paul Humel; JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Trashcan Wallbox motor repair

Those are cheap and plentiful wallboxes. Most likely it would be cheaper to buy a complete wallbox for parts than having your motor rebuilt, even if you find someone to do it. There's one on eBay for $45 right now. On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 09:58:26 AM EST, Paul Humel via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:

I have a Trashcan Wireless Wallbox with a burned out motor. It looks like the motor is pretty much unobtainium, so I want to get it repaired.

Does anyone in this group know of someone who could repair it?

Thanks,

Paul Humel

-- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave@lists.netlojix.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/

David Breneman

4:25 p.m.

On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 01:44:05 PM PST, Paul Humel via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:

...

I have the entire Wireless Wallbox section (pages 11001 thru 11030) > from the 1947 Seeburg Vol 2 Service Manual if you want any schematics, etc.> I’m curious, though. My manual doesn’t have a page 1131. Or is page > 1131 from the 1948 version manual?

My manual jumps from 11030, which is the W4-L56, to 12001, which is the 3W2-L56.Then it jumps from 12037, which is the 3W5-L56, to 12041, which is the 3W-1.The 3W1 ends on page 12058.

Paul Humel

6:23 p.m.

Interesting. Mine (1947 version) ends at page 12037 which is the 3W5-L56, just like yours. I guess yours is a 1948 version because it also has the 3W-1.

-----Original Message----- From: David Breneman via Jukebox-list [mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com] Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 2:26 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Cc: Paul Humel; David Breneman Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Trashcan Wallbox motor repair

On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 01:44:05 PM PST, Paul Humel via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:

...

I have the entire Wireless Wallbox section (pages 11001 thru 11030) > from the 1947 Seeburg Vol 2 Service Manual if you want any schematics, etc.> I’m curious, though. My manual doesn’t have a page 1131. Or is page > 1131 from the 1948 version manual?

My manual jumps from 11030, which is the W4-L56, to 12001, which is the 3W2-L56.Then it jumps from 12037, which is the 3W5-L56, to 12041, which is the 3W-1.The 3W1 ends on page 12058.

Paul Humel

3:38 p.m.

Hi Jim,

Yes, it is a 110 motor – the hot connection goes straight to the motor.

I have the entire Wireless Wallbox section (pages 11001 thru 11030) from my original 1947 Seeburg Vol 2 Service Manual if you want any schematics, etc.

Your mention of a stepdown transformer got me to thinking – if I could replace my T1 stepdown transformer with one that has 25, 6.1, and 5.3 taps, I could use the 25 volt motor that I already have. The big problem will be to find a transformer with those taps. Do you have any suggestions as to how I might find one? Thanks.

BTW, I just noticed that John Robertson is looking for schematics, etc for the Wireless Wallboxes of the 1940s. I’ll be responding to him next.

Paul Humel

-----Original Message----- From: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list [mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com] Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 11:29 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Cc: Paul Humel; JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Trashcan Wallbox motor repair

It’s not a physical mounting difference – the motor cases are identical. It’s 110 vs 24.

Wired Wallbox motors get their power directly over a 3 wire cable that connects to the 26 volt T2 transformer located in the Master Selection Receiver. Hence, the need for a 25 volt motor.

Wireless Wallboxes have no direct connection to the Master Selection Receiver, so their motors have to run off of their own 110 house AC power.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I would try to rewind the stator myself (what do I have to lose?), but I have no clue as to what gauge wire to use. The wire looks about the diameter of the hair on my head (what's left of it...).

I have a Trashcan Wireless Wallbox with a burned out motor. It looks like the motor is pretty much unobtainium, so I want to get it repaired.

Does anyone in this group know of someone who could repair it?

Thanks,

Paul Humel

JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN

7:56 p.m.

My friend Michael Rothman bought over a hundred of this vintage wallboxes a while ago. A mix of wired, wireless, nickel only, three coin models , etc. He has a decent W1-L56 listed on FB now for $125. I would imagine he has other parts wallboxes left at a better price. You might contact him. Good luck, Jim On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 04:38:16 PM EST, Paul Humel humel@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Hi Jim,

Yes, it is a 110 motor – the hot connection goes straight to the motor.

I have the entire Wireless Wallbox section (pages 11001 thru 11030) from my original 1947 Seeburg Vol 2 Service Manual if you want any schematics, etc.

BTW, I just noticed that John Robertson is looking for schematics, etc for the Wireless Wallboxes of the 1940s. I’ll be responding to him next.

Paul Humel

It’s not a physical mounting difference – the motor cases are identical. It’s 110 vs 24.

Wired Wallbox motors get their power directly over a 3 wire cable that connects to the 26 volt T2 transformer located in the Master Selection Receiver. Hence, the need for a 25 volt motor.

Wireless Wallboxes have no direct connection to the Master Selection Receiver, so their motors have to run off of their own 110 house AC power.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I would try to rewind the stator myself (what do I have to lose?), but I have no clue as to what gauge wire to use. The wire looks about the diameter of the hair on my head (what's left of it...).

I have a Trashcan Wireless Wallbox with a burned out motor. It looks like the motor is pretty much unobtainium, so I want to get it repaired.

Does anyone in this group know of someone who could repair it?

Thanks,

Paul Humel

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Paul Humel

12 Mar 12 Mar

9:37 a.m.

Hi Jim,

I have opened up my Wallbox motor and found that it’s a shaded pole motor, with several broken wires on one of the stator windings. I found an excellent 25 minute video on youtube with a title of “Rewinding the universal, shaded pole motor from a Gerinvex or KB Discomatic jukebox” so I’m going to try to repair my Wallbox motor by rewinding the stator.

Paul Humel -----Original Message----- From: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list [mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com] Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 5:36 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list'; Paul Humel Cc: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Trashcan Wallbox motor repair

Hi Jim,

Yes, it is a 110 motor – the hot connection goes straight to the motor.

I have the entire Wireless Wallbox section (pages 11001 thru 11030) from my original 1947 Seeburg Vol 2 Service Manual if you want any schematics, etc.

BTW, I just noticed that John Robertson is looking for schematics, etc for the Wireless Wallboxes of the 1940s. I’ll be responding to him next.

Paul Humel

It’s not a physical mounting difference – the motor cases are identical. It’s 110 vs 24.

Wired Wallbox motors get their power directly over a 3 wire cable that connects to the 26 volt T2 transformer located in the Master Selection Receiver. Hence, the need for a 25 volt motor.

Wireless Wallboxes have no direct connection to the Master Selection Receiver, so their motors have to run off of their own 110 house AC power.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I would try to rewind the stator myself (what do I have to lose?), but I have no clue as to what gauge wire to use. The wire looks about the diameter of the hair on my head (what's left of it...).

I have a Trashcan Wireless Wallbox with a burned out motor. It looks like the motor is pretty much unobtainium, so I want to get it repaired.

Does anyone in this group know of someone who could repair it?

Thanks,

Paul Humel

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