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tips for mounting main fiber gear Wurlitzer 61 anyone?
by Hans Minderman 02 May '24

02 May '24

Does anyone have any tips for mounting a new fiber gear on the main axle of a wurlitzer 61? The new replacement gears which are available through Victory Glass will be a tight fit and judging from the old (worn) gear that I just removed these things look to be brittle. Can these fiber gears be heated to let them expand a bit for an easier fit? Also, I saved the 3 copper rivets for the old gear, should I use those to fasten the gear once it is seated properly on the axle or are there other alternatives? Any tips from those of you have have gone over this procedure before are much appreciated! -Hans

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Recapping Continental Amplifier , testing jig and method
by Doug Duncan 02 May '24

02 May '24

This is a resend since I was having problems posting and had to re-subscribe. Sorry if you have already seen it. Dear All, After a long time away from this I'm planning to recap and renovate the amplifier from my AMI Continental (1). That is a R-2777 Basic Amplifier with L-2156 Add-on Control amplifier. I have a capacitor kit, the schematics and a manual. This is not my first amplifier rebuild. Back at the end of the last century I re-capped a R-22 amplifier from my AMI Model B and also the amplifier from my Wurlitzer Lyric E. Both of these were much simpler and the technique was also simpler where I just took great care to substitute the new for the old. There were no adjustments and if you did it correctly you plug it in at the end and it works which is indeed what happened. This time around there is more complexity and there are measurements. to be made. Firstly I would be happy to hear what people who do this use as a working environment. I have read about using an incandescent lamp in the mains supply circuit in order to be aware that the amplifier under test is not drawing high current. I will be using a step down transformer. I need to ensure that the output is driving into a suitable load (speaker). Are there any other similar requirements? Am I correct in saying that when I come to power up the amp I do so without any of the valves in their sockets? What about the rectifier? The schematic shows that the dc levels are measured without any signal input. Are all measured without any valves or do you add in valves as you progress through the circuit? When you have all the dc levels correct you apply a 1khz signal. What voltage? Have the valves all been refitted by this stage? Am I measuring the voltage from the pins beneath the chassis? Or am I indeed adding them as I measure through the circuit. If you feel I'm planning on doing this wrongly please say so. Any help will be gratefully received. Finally I should say that I am aware of the hazards of higher voltage circuits. I plan to use only one hand when measuring the voltages. Best Regards, Doug

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AMI I 200
by Tony Miklos 30 Apr '24

30 Apr '24

Tomorrow I'll be looking at an AMI "I". (one of my very favorite jukes) Anyway it won't reject the record. About 3 years ago it had the same problem and I think I replaced the tone arm cancel switch. Worked great for 2.5 years. Same thing. Went to see it and voila, it started working before I got there. Tested the switch over and over and it's good. What the heck, I replaced it again and tested the new one real good. I don't have the schematic in front of me but I went over all I could think of. It kept working for 6 months then again it won't cancel the record. I should have posted this a week ago but I forgot. I'm scheduled to go tomorrow and check it out. Any tips anyone? Those schematics are hard to read, and offhand I forget if that manual has the "schemagrams" which are often misleading. Thinking of it now, my manual might be for a model J, but I don't think there would be any difference in the cancel circuit. The one thing I've seen a few times is when the cam switches are dirty and the motor runs loading a record and travels until the motor binds and gets stuck, but it's not that. Also the bridge and cap have been replaced. Thanks, Tony

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Recapping Valve (Tube) amplifiers - Repair Jig and method of proceeding
by Doug Duncan 30 Apr '24

30 Apr '24

Dear All, After a long time away from this I'm planning to recap and renovate the amplifier from my AMI Continental (1). That is a R-2777 Basic Amplifier with L-2156 Add-on Control amplifier. I have a capacitor kit, the schematics and a manual. This is not my first amplifier rebuild. Back at the end of the last century I re-capped a R-22 amplifier from my AMI Model B and also the amplifier from my Wurlitzer Lyric E. Both of these were much simpler and the technique was also simpler where I just took great care to substitute the new for the old. There were no adjustments and if you did it correctly you plug it in at the end and it works which is indeed what happened. This time around there is more complexity and there are adjustments. to be made. Firstly I would be happy to hear what people who do this use as a working environment. I have read about using an incandescent lamp in the mains supply circuit in order to be aware that the amplifier under test is not drawing high current. I will be using a step down transformer. I need to ensure that the output is driving into a suitable load (speaker). Are there any other similar requirements? Am I correct in saying that when I come to power up the amp I do so without any of the valves in their sockets? What about the rectifier? The schematic shows that the dc levels are measured without any signal input. Are all measured without any valves or do you add in valves as you progress through the circuit? When you have all the dc levels correct you apply a 1khz signal. What voltage? Have the valves all been refitted by this stage? Am I measuring the voltage from the pins beneath the chassis? Or am I indeed adding them as I measure through the circuit. If you feel I'm planning on doing this wrongly please say so. Any help will be gratefully received. Finally I should say that I am aware of the hazards of higher voltage circuits. I plan to use only one hand when measuring the voltages. Best Regards, Doug

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Joining the club with a Seeburg SMC2 Phoenix - GEN-2 issue
by NotarySojac 28 Apr '24

28 Apr '24

I'm in the process of installing a GEN-2 MCU for a friend's SMC-1. The batteries leaked in the MCU box and the display panel was showing stuff only a Martian can read. I'm at the point where the new board is to be installed in the box (yes, I cleaned the box up and shot it with some nice paint). I'm encountering a problem that is shown towards the end of this video: Seeburg Disco SMC1 MCU GEN2 Installation | | | | | | | | | | | Seeburg Disco SMC1 MCU GEN2 Installation | | | Seems the new board's buttons protrude about 1/8 inch out of the box. I checked the old board's buttons before disassembly. They were flush with the holes in the top of the box. Anyway, this causes the GEN -2 buttons to depress causing a Stuck Key" error. The guy in the video solved this by removing the key pad and shimming it up to clear the GEN-2 buttons. I'm gonna try using some 1/8 inch fiber washers between the GEN-2 board and the inside of the MCU box to make it sit lower in the box. I'll report on my success/failure. Robert - Georgetown Texas On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 02:00:25 AM CDT, <jukebox-list-request(a)lists.netlojix.com> wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2024 09:01:04 -0500 From: Kevin Moore <talon.k(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Joining the club with a Seeburg SMC2 Phoenix To: jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com Message-ID: <CAFWDB58CgdEQ5CmxEHL9B+CmR_wT77Tg_nE2D8m4PBvgUvDoNA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello All, I mostly or used to read and reply etc on the vector lists. But I have recently come across an SMC2 Phoenix Jukebox, that I'm trying to revive from the Dead. So far it appears that the Phono Control center is putting out decent voltages, but I will go through it soon. I have not touched the AMP as of yet, and have it unplugged. Working on the MCU1 module, batteries leaked because why not. Not to much damage. It did get some of the board interconnects and cables. I've got the MCU on the bench, providing 3.5vac and 40v to the display board along with 40v, 20v, +5 and +12 to the cpu board. The microprocessor, I'm not familiar with, but it does not seem to want to start running, until I give a bit of help. Then it starts to run. I get what appear to be random numbers and letters on the display. So at least I know the display works. Since I have no idea what information I should be seeing on the display I'm in a bit of a holding pattern. Thoughts on this endeavor, I'm not opposed to getting a Gen 2 cpu/display board, but would like to learn a but about this, and see if I could get it running. Kevin ------------------------------

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Re: Jukebox-list Wurlitzer deflation pricing
by Ug Lee 28 Apr '24

28 Apr '24

As the ad states "this is for the serious collector". Wait...I'M a serious collector! On pins and needles I await a response to my offer. I do enjoy the "best offer" option. Eli On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 03:00:25 AM EDT, <jukebox-list-request(a)lists.netlojix.com> wrote: Send Jukebox-list mailing list submissions to jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to jukebox-list-request(a)lists.netlojix.com You can reach the person managing the list at jukebox-list-owner(a)lists.netlojix.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Jukebox-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Wurlitzer 5220L inflation pricing? (D. Resor) 2. Re: Wurlitzer 5220L inflation pricing? (Jukebox Repairman) 3. Re: Wurlitzer 5220L inflation pricing? (ROBERT wilson) 4. Re: Wurlitzer 5220L inflation pricing? (John Robertson) 5. Wurlitzer 5220L inflation pricing? (D. Resor) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 06:16:57 -0700 From: "D. Resor" <organlists1(a)sonic.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 5220L inflation pricing? To: "'Jukebox list'" <jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABO5wTM7/NRDgk/3nPo+uv7CgAAAEAAAAK gfZW2XaYpIv0RNoIvi1TwBAAAAAA==(a)sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This much? Really? WURLITZER 5220L JUKEBOX WALLBOX NEW OLD STOCK STOCK #6284 https://www.ebay.com/itm/116159722510 "stock stock" must make it extra special! Don Resor ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 10:05:15 -0400 From: Jukebox Repairman <jukin510(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 5220L inflation pricing? To: Jukebox mailing list <jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> Cc: "D. Resor" <organlists1(a)sonic.net> Message-ID: <CAFqBk6QJ7PvKy+VDb6r_BFm2cFowrGRV+fUASx3D4uNQjUPNUQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hey Don I saw this one too 😆 On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 9:17 AM D. Resor via Jukebox-list < jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> wrote: > This much? Really? > > WURLITZER 5220L JUKEBOX WALLBOX NEW OLD STOCK STOCK #6284 > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/116159722510 > > "stock stock" must make it extra special! > > Don Resor > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com > To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave(a)lists.netlojix.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 10:11:45 -0400 (EDT) From: ROBERT wilson <acbob(a)comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 5220L inflation pricing? To: Jukebox mailing list <jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> Cc: "D. Resor" <organlists1(a)sonic.net>, Jukebox Repairman <jukin510(a)gmail.com> Message-ID: <2038763994.1936302.1714140705271(a)connect.xfinity.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 He might make a couple of dollars after he pays the sellers fees --- R Wilson > On 04/26/2024 10:05 AM EDT Jukebox Repairman via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> wrote: > > > Hey Don I saw this one too 😆 > > On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 9:17 AM D. Resor via Jukebox-list < > jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> wrote: > > > This much? Really? > > > > WURLITZER 5220L JUKEBOX WALLBOX NEW OLD STOCK STOCK #6284 > > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/116159722510 > > > > "stock stock" must make it extra special! > > > > Don Resor > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com > > To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave(a)lists.netlojix.com > > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com > To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave(a)lists.netlojix.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 09:15:02 -0700 From: John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 5220L inflation pricing? To: ROBERT wilson via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <fbfaf03d-71b6-4e8e-8add-f12bbec67b44(a)flippers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed It sure looks NOS, I've not seen a nicer one, nor one complete with all the paperwork. Too bad he didn't have the box it came in. It does say OBO, so he isn't stuck on the price exactly... John :-#)# On 2024/04/26 7:11 a.m., ROBERT wilson via Jukebox-list wrote: > He might make a couple of dollars after he pays the sellers fees --- > > R Wilson >> On 04/26/2024 10:05 AM EDT Jukebox Repairman via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hey Don I saw this one too 😆 >> >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 9:17 AM D. Resor via Jukebox-list < >> jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> wrote: >> >>> This much? Really? >>> >>> WURLITZER 5220L JUKEBOX WALLBOX NEW OLD STOCK STOCK #6284 >>> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/116159722510 >>> >>> "stock stock" must make it extra special! >>> >>> Don Resor >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com >>> To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave(a)lists.netlojix.com >>> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave(a)lists.netlojix.com >> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com > To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave(a)lists.netlojix.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 06:14:58 -0700 From: "D. Resor" <organlists1(a)sonic.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 5220L inflation pricing? To: "'Jukebox list'" <jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABO5wTM7/NRDgk/3nPo+uv7CgAAAEAAAAA pfWmDqnM1Fj1PosXe+PkgBAAAAAA==(a)sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This much? Really? WURLITZER 5220L JUKEBOX WALLBOX NEW OLD STOCK STOCK #6284 https://www.ebay.com/itm/116159722510 "stock stock" must make it extra special! Don Resor ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list(a)lists.netlojix.com To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave(a)lists.netlojix.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Searchable archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ------------------------------ End of Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 356, Issue 1 ********************************************

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Wurlitzer 5220L inflation pricing?
by D. Resor 26 Apr '24

26 Apr '24

This much? Really? WURLITZER 5220L JUKEBOX WALLBOX NEW OLD STOCK STOCK #6284 https://www.ebay.com/itm/116159722510 "stock stock" must make it extra special! Don Resor

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Wurlitzer 5220L inflation pricing?
by D. Resor 26 Apr '24

26 Apr '24

This much? Really? WURLITZER 5220L JUKEBOX WALLBOX NEW OLD STOCK STOCK #6284 https://www.ebay.com/itm/116159722510 "stock stock" must make it extra special! Don Resor

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Seeburg C mirrors
by Jim McClave 25 Apr '24

25 Apr '24

Trying to replace mirrors on my "C" . I have the one removable end trim piece off. The mirrors and backing piece dont seem to want to slide out. Is there some trick to this? thanks.

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More NyNy Issues
by Jukebox Repairman 19 Apr '24

19 Apr '24

Had everything working as it should. New issue is carousel goes just slightly past selected disc so gripper misses it. Would this be optic sensor adjustment? Regards Rick

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Pricing Unit Bypass- Possible?
by M De Simone 15 Apr '24

15 Apr '24

A local freind with a Seeburg L100 called me and asked about eliminating the pricing unit (which is beyond repair or missing) he stated that he had a older tech years ago mention to him that he used to bypass the pricing unit with a few jumpers. Doesn’t sound right to me as part of the selection circuit runs through it. I’ve never heard of this and it peaked my curiously, has anyone here ever done it or know exactly how bypass this with jumpers? I’m interested and also would like to know. Thanks, Mauro Sent from my iPhone

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Wurlitzer NyNy
by Jukebox Repairman 11 Apr '24

11 Apr '24

John, thanks. I made the adjustment where the plunger meets the arm. It’s not pushing it fully vertical now. It drops back down after disc meets the player. As always I appreciate your expertise and help. Now if I can get upper arch bubble tubes to go. I checked fuses all good Regards Rick

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seeburg C Horn Speaker
by Jim McClave 10 Apr '24

10 Apr '24

Hi all, is the horn Tweeter speaker used on a Seeburg C 8 ohm impedance ? tks, Jim

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Seeburg C Cabinet catch mesh Screen
by Jim McClave 09 Apr '24

09 Apr '24

Can someone please tell me the correct way to install the screen? There are a couple of cutouts on 2 ends about 2" long. Do they go top or bottom? Tks.

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Wurlitzer Ny Ny
by Jukebox Repairman 09 Apr '24

09 Apr '24

This will probably be best directed to John Robertson. A customer brought this machine for repair. He said when a disc is loaded the clamp arm stays upright. He brought a manual but there is no exploded parts view. Is there supposed to be a spring to pull the clamp arm down after disc is placed on the player? Like a Rowe does? Also the title pages turn but not freely. I haven’t got that far into it. Regards

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Seeburg M100A Question
by Jim McClave 06 Apr '24

06 Apr '24

The A that Ive been working on with the loud buzzing noise seems like the mechanism is stuck. Its been converted to 33 speed. Should I still be able to turn the turntable hub by hand with power off to get it to cycle?

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Rockola1428 amp schematics?
by John Robertson 05 Apr '24

05 Apr '24

Anyone have these? It isn't the same as the 1422/24/26... Thanks! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"

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Follow up Seeburg B Selection issue
by Jukebox Repairman 04 Apr '24

04 Apr '24

Found 3 saddle clips on the numeric board loose. The rivet / retainer that secured it to the board is missing. So I’m open to suggestions on how to secure it back to the board without hopefully having to remove the board

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Seeburg 200 CU1-ps
by Jukebox Repairman 03 Apr '24

03 Apr '24

I have a customer who owns a model B Seeburg and has the opportunity to purchase a Custom Unit. The seller says everything is there except the amp. Never having any exposure to this model I want to know which amplifier was paired with it and would he be restricted to that amp or could a substitute be used? Thanks Rick

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Re: Seeburg M100A Problem
by David Breneman 30 Mar '24

30 Mar '24

On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 04:45:15 PM PDT, Jim McClave <juker17(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Thought the 2050 tube was needed to trip. No, it's solely used to shape the pulses coming from the wall boxes.

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Re: Seeburg M100A Problem
by David Breneman 30 Mar '24

30 Mar '24

On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 12:12:41 PM PDT, Jim McClave <juker17(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks, this is a worst-case scenario problem. Someone else was working on it> years ago. So far, I have discovered the 2050 tube missing, the reject switch 2> wires on the back with 2 wires pulled off the plug, and each wire connected to> each end of the visible fuse on the wsr, I also have found the larger plug that is> supposed to plug into the credit unit plugged in to the 6sl7 plug in the amp instead,> and the 6sl7 tube is currently missing. Loud buzzing as soon as you turn it on. The> mech wont move, and the turntable sits and spins. wont reject. Jim The machine will operate fine without the 2050 tube. It's only needed whenyou use wallboxes. I had a problem with mine long ago where the coil openedon the selection timing relay. This caused the credit solenoid to stay activatedand it did make a very loud buzzing noise. So as you know, the first step is tosee what's buzzing and fix that, so the machine can be put in a known point inthe play cycle. The fact that the buzzing starts as soon as the machine is turnedon indicates it's coming from an electro-mechanical rather than audio source.

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Seeburg M100A Buzzing
by Jim McClave 30 Mar '24

30 Mar '24

This is a bummer juke to work on. someone else has been it a few years ago. I have discovered: 2050 tube missing, reject button , 2 wires pulled out of plug and each wire attached to the terminals of the visible fuse on the bottom of the wsr, Large plug that was supposed to go to the credit unit was plugged into 6sl7 socket on the amp. 6sl7 tube is now missing. Mech sits and spins, wont move or reject. Jim

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Seeburg M100A Problem
by Jim McClave 30 Mar '24

30 Mar '24

Still working on the loud buzzing noise problem on the A. Cant really tell if the noise is coming out of the speaker or somewhere else. Is it ok to temporarily disconnect the speaker plug without damaging anything else? I know B+ goes thru the field coil. Jim

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5207 Wurlitzer wall box
by Danny McClory 30 Mar '24

30 Mar '24

Hi all, I’m trying to hook up a 5207 wall box. We have a 2304 Wurlitzer with a stepper. When I tried to hood it up the wall box started to smoke (just for a second) so I unplugged it! Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks Sent from my iPad

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100B selection issue
by Jukebox Repairman 30 Mar '24

30 Mar '24

After further testing this is the pattern. I hope somebody can offer some insight A1,2,3,4 work A5,6,7,8,9,10 do not *B1-10 Work* C1,2,3,4 work 5,6,7,8,9,10 do not *D1,2,3,4,5,6,7,9,10 work* D8 does not E1,2,3,4 work E5,6,7,8,9,10 do not *F1-10 all work* G1,2,3,4 work G5,6,7,8,9,10 do not *H1-10 all work* J1,2,3,4 work j5,6,7,8,9,10 do not *K1-10 work* Regards Rick

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