I think I've seen this problem once before but don't know what model seeburg it was. Anyway I have the LPC ready to be picked up and after several hundred test plays, the mech decides to jamb up. The motor will be on and trying to turn but no go. Turn off the motor and it sort of backs up a hair away from the side it was trying to go. For the life of me I just don't see what it is. There is a little play in there and if I toggle the reversing switch back and forth it will scan 4 or 5 spaces then jamb, flip the switch and it goes the other way. I'm pulling my hair out and I don't have much left! It isn't anything mechanical from the mech to the cabinet, when it's stuck all areas of the mech can still be wiggled around. Nothing at all like the cable getting stuck, that's for sure. I'm thinking something with the bell crank for the tone arm, but the tone arm does move left and right.
Once again, I can't find my books from Ron Rich in case he has any tips for that in there.
Tony
Replying to myself here. I found the problem. First time I have ever ever ever seen it. The worm gear above the clutch is stripped in one spot. I have no idea how the other gear it mates with is, I'll know after pulling the clutch.
DANG!
Tony
On 6/12/2024 4:40 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
I think I've seen this problem once before but don't know what model seeburg it was. Anyway I have the LPC ready to be picked up and after several hundred test plays, the mech decides to jamb up. The motor will be on and trying to turn but no go. Turn off the motor and it sort of backs up a hair away from the side it was trying to go. For the life of me I just don't see what it is. There is a little play in there and if I toggle the reversing switch back and forth it will scan 4 or 5 spaces then jamb, flip the switch and it goes the other way. I'm pulling my hair out and I don't have much left! It isn't anything mechanical from the mech to the cabinet, when it's stuck all areas of the mech can still be wiggled around. Nothing at all like the cable getting stuck, that's for sure. I'm thinking something with the bell crank for the tone arm, but the tone arm does move left and right.
Once again, I can't find my books from Ron Rich in case he has any tips for that in there.
Tony
OK, from the top.
I have an LPC with a bad worm gear above the clutch. The gear it turns in the mech is in good condition.
I went to swap in another clutch assembly but the top gears don't match up. My "replacement" clutch top gear has finer teeth. Can I swap just the top gear from one to the other? Or is there anything else that is different? Did they only use 2 type clutch gears or is there more that don't match up?
Are the clutches with the finer teeth newer or older. (I don't know what my replacement came out of) I'd just dig for a different clutch from a pile, but it's hard to reach right now.
I didn't really look at how easy or hard it would be to swap gears, so maybe I will have to dig for my other clutches.
On 6/12/2024 5:21 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Replying to myself here. I found the problem. First time I have ever ever ever seen it. The worm gear above the clutch is stripped in one spot. I have no idea how the other gear it mates with is, I'll know after pulling the clutch.
DANG!
Tony
On 6/12/2024 4:40 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
I think I've seen this problem once before but don't know what model seeburg it was. Anyway I have the LPC ready to be picked up and after several hundred test plays, the mech decides to jamb up. The motor will be on and trying to turn but no go. Turn off the motor and it sort of backs up a hair away from the side it was trying to go. For the life of me I just don't see what it is. There is a little play in there and if I toggle the reversing switch back and forth it will scan 4 or 5 spaces then jamb, flip the switch and it goes the other way. I'm pulling my hair out and I don't have much left! It isn't anything mechanical from the mech to the cabinet, when it's stuck all areas of the mech can still be wiggled around. Nothing at all like the cable getting stuck, that's for sure. I'm thinking something with the bell crank for the tone arm, but the tone arm does move left and right.
Once again, I can't find my books from Ron Rich in case he has any tips for that in there.
Tony
I believe the lpc clutch has more differences at the bottom as well. The album playing mechs trip scanning only one direction and have a spring/stop near the bottom of the clutch so it won't drop into scan unless the motor is spinning the correct direction. On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 06:13:19 AM EDT, Tony Miklos via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:
OK, from the top.
I have an LPC with a bad worm gear above the clutch. The gear it turns in the mech is in good condition.
I went to swap in another clutch assembly but the top gears don't match up. My "replacement" clutch top gear has finer teeth. Can I swap just the top gear from one to the other? Or is there anything else that is different? Did they only use 2 type clutch gears or is there more that don't match up?
Are the clutches with the finer teeth newer or older. (I don't know what my replacement came out of) I'd just dig for a different clutch from a pile, but it's hard to reach right now.
I didn't really look at how easy or hard it would be to swap gears, so maybe I will have to dig for my other clutches.
On 6/12/2024 5:21 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Replying to myself here. I found the problem. First time I have ever ever ever seen it. The worm gear above the clutch is stripped in one spot. I have no idea how the other gear it mates with is, I'll know after pulling the clutch.
DANG!
Tony
On 6/12/2024 4:40 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
I think I've seen this problem once before but don't know what model seeburg it was. Anyway I have the LPC ready to be picked up and after several hundred test plays, the mech decides to jamb up. The motor will be on and trying to turn but no go. Turn off the motor and it sort of backs up a hair away from the side it was trying to go. For the life of me I just don't see what it is. There is a little play in there and if I toggle the reversing switch back and forth it will scan 4 or 5 spaces then jamb, flip the switch and it goes the other way. I'm pulling my hair out and I don't have much left! It isn't anything mechanical from the mech to the cabinet, when it's stuck all areas of the mech can still be wiggled around. Nothing at all like the cable getting stuck, that's for sure. I'm thinking something with the bell crank for the tone arm, but the tone arm does move left and right.
Once again, I can't find my books from Ron Rich in case he has any tips for that in there.
Tony
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Thanks. I guess I'm pretty lucky that this is the first time I had a clutch gear failure in almost 44 years!
And I don't recall if they are all this way or the wrong screws where in the LPC, but the two upper screws only stick through the clutch housing about 3 threads. They look identical (except) length as the lower two.
On 6/14/2024 6:50 AM, JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN wrote:
I believe the lpc clutch has more differences at the bottom as well. The album playing mechs trip scanning only one direction and have a spring/stop near the bottom of the clutch so it won't drop into scan unless the motor is spinning the correct direction.
On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 06:13:19 AM EDT, Tony Miklos via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:
OK, from the top.
I have an LPC with a bad worm gear above the clutch. The gear it turns in the mech is in good condition.
I went to swap in another clutch assembly but the top gears don't match up. My "replacement" clutch top gear has finer teeth. Can I swap just the top gear from one to the other? Or is there anything else that is different? Did they only use 2 type clutch gears or is there more that don't match up?
Are the clutches with the finer teeth newer or older. (I don't know what my replacement came out of) I'd just dig for a different clutch from a pile, but it's hard to reach right now.
I didn't really look at how easy or hard it would be to swap gears, so maybe I will have to dig for my other clutches.
On 6/12/2024 5:21 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Replying to myself here. I found the problem. First time I have ever ever ever seen it. The worm gear above the clutch is stripped in one spot. I have no idea how the other gear it mates with is, I'll know after pulling the clutch.
DANG!
Tony
On 6/12/2024 4:40 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
I think I've seen this problem once before but don't know what model seeburg it was. Anyway I have the LPC ready to be picked up and after several hundred test plays, the mech decides to jamb up. The motor will be on and trying to turn but no go. Turn off the motor and it sort of backs up a hair away from the side it was trying to go. For the life of me I just don't see what it is. There is a little play in there and if I toggle the reversing switch back and forth it will scan 4 or 5 spaces then jamb, flip the switch and it goes the other way. I'm pulling my hair out and I don't have much left! It isn't anything mechanical from the mech to the cabinet, when it's stuck all areas of the mech can still be wiggled around. Nothing at all like the cable getting stuck, that's for sure. I'm thinking something with the bell crank for the tone arm, but the tone arm does move left and right.
Once again, I can't find my books from Ron Rich in case he has any tips for that in there.
Tony
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Yes, I saw that spring and it didn't hit me what it was for. I recall many many years ago when I didn't know LPC's wouldn't pick up going the wrong direction. I believe I was hitting the trip lever and nothing happened. Not sure how I finally realized it tripped A and B sides. That was a nightmare of a service call.
On 6/14/2024 6:50 AM, JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN wrote:
I believe the lpc clutch has more differences at the bottom as well. The album playing mechs trip scanning only one direction and have a spring/stop near the bottom of the clutch so it won't drop into scan unless the motor is spinning the correct direction.
On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 06:13:19 AM EDT, Tony Miklos via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:
OK, from the top.
I have an LPC with a bad worm gear above the clutch. The gear it turns in the mech is in good condition.
I went to swap in another clutch assembly but the top gears don't match up. My "replacement" clutch top gear has finer teeth. Can I swap just the top gear from one to the other? Or is there anything else that is different? Did they only use 2 type clutch gears or is there more that don't match up?
Are the clutches with the finer teeth newer or older. (I don't know what my replacement came out of) I'd just dig for a different clutch from a pile, but it's hard to reach right now.
I didn't really look at how easy or hard it would be to swap gears, so maybe I will have to dig for my other clutches.
On 6/12/2024 5:21 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Replying to myself here. I found the problem. First time I have ever ever ever seen it. The worm gear above the clutch is stripped in one spot. I have no idea how the other gear it mates with is, I'll know after pulling the clutch.
DANG!
Tony
On 6/12/2024 4:40 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
I think I've seen this problem once before but don't know what model seeburg it was. Anyway I have the LPC ready to be picked up and after several hundred test plays, the mech decides to jamb up. The motor will be on and trying to turn but no go. Turn off the motor and it sort of backs up a hair away from the side it was trying to go. For the life of me I just don't see what it is. There is a little play in there and if I toggle the reversing switch back and forth it will scan 4 or 5 spaces then jamb, flip the switch and it goes the other way. I'm pulling my hair out and I don't have much left! It isn't anything mechanical from the mech to the cabinet, when it's stuck all areas of the mech can still be wiggled around. Nothing at all like the cable getting stuck, that's for sure. I'm thinking something with the bell crank for the tone arm, but the tone arm does move left and right.
Once again, I can't find my books from Ron Rich in case he has any tips for that in there.
Tony
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Below is what Mr Ron Rich told me - "Clutch ASSEMBLIES, were made in three versions. Different top gear for the pre 201's, and different gearing for the 45 "native" verses the 33 native models (LPC's--APFEA1). and different spacers" used in them too" Does that help? So I think your options are either find a 33 clutch or convert to 45 and ditch the auto speed unit. Norman. ------ Original Message ------ From: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: tonysjukeboxrepair@gmail.com Sent: Friday, June 14th 2024, 11:13 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: LPC 480 mech OK, from the top. I have an LPC with a bad worm gear above the clutch. The gear it turns in the mech is in good condition. I went to swap in another clutch assembly but the top gears don't match up. My "replacement" clutch top gear has finer teeth. Can I swap just the top gear from one to the other? Or is there anything else that is different? Did they only use 2 type clutch gears or is there more that don't match up? Are the clutches with the finer teeth newer or older. (I don't know what my replacement came out of) I'd just dig for a different clutch from a pile, but it's hard to reach right now. I didn't really look at how easy or hard it would be to swap gears, so maybe I will have to dig for my other clutches. On 6/12/2024 5:21 PM, Tony Miklos wrote: > Replying to myself here. I found the problem. First time I have ever > ever ever seen it. The worm gear above the clutch is stripped in one > spot. I have no idea how the other gear it mates with is, I'll know > after pulling the clutch. > > DANG! > > Tony > > On 6/12/2024 4:40 PM, Tony Miklos wrote: >> I think I've seen this problem once before but don't know what model >> seeburg it was. Anyway I have the LPC ready to be picked up and after >> several hundred test plays, the mech decides to jamb up. The motor >> will be on and trying to turn but no go. Turn off the motor and it >> sort of backs up a hair away from the side it was trying to go. For >> the life of me I just don't see what it is. There is a little play in >> there and if I toggle the reversing switch back and forth it will scan >> 4 or 5 spaces then jamb, flip the switch and it goes the other way. >> I'm pulling my hair out and I don't have much left! It isn't anything >> mechanical from the mech to the cabinet, when it's stuck all areas of >> the mech can still be wiggled around. Nothing at all like the cable >> getting stuck, that's for sure. I'm thinking something with the bell >> crank for the tone arm, but the tone arm does move left and right. >> >> Once again, I can't find my books from Ron Rich in case he has any >> tips for that in there. >> >> Tony _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave@lists.netlojix.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/
Thanks! Not sure if the later ones will work with the LPC, unless it's easy to swap that spring over.
On 6/14/2024 6:52 AM, nmacrae23@btinternet.com wrote:
Below is what Mr Ron Rich told me -
"Clutch ASSEMBLIES, were made in three versions. Different top gear for the pre 201's, and different gearing for the 45 "native" verses the 33 native models (LPC's--APFEA1). and different spacers" used in them too"
Does that help? So I think your options are either find a 33 clutch or convert to 45 and ditch the auto speed unit.
Norman.
------ Original Message ------ From: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: tonysjukeboxrepair@gmail.com Sent: Friday, June 14th 2024, 11:13 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: LPC 480 mech OK, from the top. I have an LPC with a bad worm gear above the clutch. The gear it turns in the mech is in good condition. I went to swap in another clutch assembly but the top gears don't match up. My "replacement" clutch top gear has finer teeth. Can I swap just the top gear from one to the other? Or is there anything else that is different? Did they only use 2 type clutch gears or is there more that don't match up? Are the clutches with the finer teeth newer or older. (I don't know what my replacement came out of) I'd just dig for a different clutch from a pile, but it's hard to reach right now. I didn't really look at how easy or hard it would be to swap gears, so maybe I will have to dig for my other clutches. On 6/12/2024 5:21 PM, Tony Miklos wrote: > Replying to myself here. I found the problem. First time I have ever > ever ever seen it. The worm gear above the clutch is stripped in one > spot. I have no idea how the other gear it mates with is, I'll know > after pulling the clutch. > > DANG! > > Tony > > On 6/12/2024 4:40 PM, Tony Miklos wrote: >> I think I've seen this problem once before but don't know what model >> seeburg it was. Anyway I have the LPC ready to be picked up and after >> several hundred test plays, the mech decides to jamb up. The motor >> will be on and trying to turn but no go. Turn off the motor and it >> sort of backs up a hair away from the side it was trying to go. For >> the life of me I just don't see what it is. There is a little play in >> there and if I toggle the reversing switch back and forth it will scan >> 4 or 5 spaces then jamb, flip the switch and it goes the other way. >> I'm pulling my hair out and I don't have much left! It isn't anything >> mechanical from the mech to the cabinet, when it's stuck all areas of >> the mech can still be wiggled around. Nothing at all like the cable >> getting stuck, that's for sure. I'm thinking something with the bell >> crank for the tone arm, but the tone arm does move left and right. >> >> Once again, I can't find my books from Ron Rich in case he has any >> tips for that in there. >> >> Tony _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave@lists.netlojix.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/
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