Hello all, I have an AMI G-80 and I recently replaced the original stylus with a new one. However, even before the change some records particularly mid to late 70's record as well as 80's records play at a low audio output. I have found some of these records do not play at the same audio strength as 50's and 60's records. Ami I doing something wrong or has anyone else noticed this with an older jukebox? Please give me your thoughts. Thank you
Jamie
Hi Jamie.
Firstly the output on a lot of the older mono singles is higher than modern ones.
The songs were shorter in length so the groove pitch was different and you could get more output into the groove. Also, there was a lot of experimentation at the time. Even though I am sure there was an RIAA standard set for output volume.
Modern songs are stereo and longer record length so the groove pitch was increased to fit on the song, at the expense of output level. Cant have both at the same time, for the same reason that a multi song EP is even quieter still.
Got to ask though, what cartridge is on it? If it's the original mono one , that won't help with stereo records either.
In the UK I find the early Decca label records seem to be significantly louder than other makes.
Nigel,uk
On 23 Jan 2023 at 12:36, Jamie McElroy via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:
Hello all, I have an AMI G-80 and I recently replaced the original stylus with a new one. However, even before the change some records particularly mid to late 70's record as well as 80's records play at a low audio output. I have found some of these records do not play at the same audio strength as 50's and 60's records. Ami I doing something wrong or has anyone else noticed this with an older jukebox? Please give me your thoughts. Thank you
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Do you have the original GE cartridge in there? If you do then you probably had a 1 mil stylus in there designed to play mono records. The size of the needle fits the size of the groove on mono records of the 50's and some early 60's records. If you replaced with the same one then that would explain why there is no change. Using a 1 mil stylus on stereo records of the early 60's and newer will damage the records. Stereo records are designed to be used with a .7 mil stylus that fits the groove. Using a 1 mil mono needles on stereo records will plow out the records grooves and cause damage. Alternatively using a .7 mil stereo stylus you can play mono and stereo records.
I use a .7 mil stylus in my AMI F and G and it works well. Needles for jukeboxes sells the stereo .7 mil needle.
Joey McDonald
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie McElroy via Jukebox-list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 6:35:12 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question
Hello all, I have an AMI G-80 and I recently replaced the original stylus with a new one. However, even before the change some records particularly mid to late 70's record as well as 80's records play at a low audio output. I have found some of these records do not play at the same audio strength as 50's and 60's records. Ami I doing something wrong or has anyone else noticed this with an older jukebox? Please give me your thoughts. Thank you
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It's very difficult to get the 1 mil stylus for those old GE cartridges anymore. Almost all of them available I've seen were .7 or 3 mil for 78's. I guess it's possible he had an old one. ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of joeymcd via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 3:10 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com; Jamie McElroy jamie.mcelroy1@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Question
Do you have the original GE cartridge in there? If you do then you probably had a 1 mil stylus in there designed to play mono records. The size of the needle fits the size of the groove on mono records of the 50's and some early 60's records. If you replaced with the same one then that would explain why there is no change. Using a 1 mil stylus on stereo records of the early 60's and newer will damage the records. Stereo records are designed to be used with a .7 mil stylus that fits the groove. Using a 1 mil mono needles on stereo records will plow out the records grooves and cause damage. Alternatively using a .7 mil stereo stylus you can play mono and stereo records.
I use a .7 mil stylus in my AMI F and G and it works well. Needles for jukeboxes sells the stereo .7 mil needle.
Joey McDonald
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie McElroy via Jukebox-list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 6:35:12 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question
Hello all, I have an AMI G-80 and I recently replaced the original stylus with a new one. However, even before the change some records particularly mid to late 70's record as well as 80's records play at a low audio output. I have found some of these records do not play at the same audio strength as 50's and 60's records. Ami I doing something wrong or has anyone else noticed this with an older jukebox? Please give me your thoughts. Thank you
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