Hi Jim,
Yes, it is a 110 motor – the hot connection goes straight to the motor.
I have the entire Wireless Wallbox section (pages 11001 thru 11030) from my original 1947 Seeburg Vol 2 Service Manual if you want any schematics, etc.
Your mention of a stepdown transformer got me to thinking – if I could replace my T1 stepdown transformer with one that has 25, 6.1, and 5.3 taps, I could use the 25 volt motor that I already have. The big problem will be to find a transformer with those taps. Do you have any suggestions as to how I might find one? Thanks.
BTW, I just noticed that John Robertson is looking for schematics, etc for the Wireless Wallboxes of the 1940s. I’ll be responding to him next.
Paul Humel
-----Original Message----- From: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list [mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com] Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 11:29 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Cc: Paul Humel; JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Trashcan Wallbox motor repair
I believe there is a stepdown transformer in that wallbox. Have you checked the schematic to verify it's a 110 motor? I'll see if I can find paperwork later. On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 01:43:54 PM EST, Paul Humel via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:
It’s not a physical mounting difference – the motor cases are identical. It’s 110 vs 24.
Wired Wallbox motors get their power directly over a 3 wire cable that connects to the 26 volt T2 transformer located in the Master Selection Receiver. Hence, the need for a 25 volt motor.
Wireless Wallboxes have no direct connection to the Master Selection Receiver, so their motors have to run off of their own 110 house AC power.
Today’s Trivia: The Wireless Wallboxes communicate with the Trashcan’s Master Selection Receiver by sending 250 KHz pulses to the MSR on top of the house’s 110 volt AC power. The MSR receives the 250 KHz pulses (I just realized that’s why it’s called a Master Selection Receiver!) and filters them out of the 110 volt AC power to pulse the 2050 tube in the Trashcan.
-----Original Message----- From: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list [mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com] Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 8:49 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list'; Paul Humel Cc: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Trashcan Wallbox motor repair
I didn't realize that motor was unique to that model. Any idea why? Is it a physical mounting difference or is it 110 vs 24 vac? On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 04:22:35 PM EST, Paul Humel humel@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion.
I'll keep an eye out for a complete wallbox at a "reasonable" price. The problem is that I have a W1-L56 Wireless Wallbox, and it's the only model that uses this motor. So there's not much of a selection.
I would try to rewind the stator myself (what do I have to lose?), but I have no clue as to what gauge wire to use. The wire looks about the diameter of the hair on my head (what's left of it...).
-----Original Message----- From: JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN via Jukebox-list [mailto:jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com] Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 9:29 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Paul Humel; JIM & LAURIE DIRKSEN Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Trashcan Wallbox motor repair
Those are cheap and plentiful wallboxes. Most likely it would be cheaper to buy a complete wallbox for parts than having your motor rebuilt, even if you find someone to do it. There's one on eBay for $45 right now. On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 09:58:26 AM EST, Paul Humel via Jukebox-list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com wrote:
I have a Trashcan Wireless Wallbox with a burned out motor. It looks like the motor is pretty much unobtainium, so I want to get it repaired.
Does anyone in this group know of someone who could repair it?
Thanks,
Paul Humel
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