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Fwd: Radio interview with Jeff Reinhardt
by Bill Talanian 05 Dec '17

05 Dec '17

-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Radio interview with Jeff Reinhardt Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 06:07:48 -0800 From: Lou Dartanner <boomerlou56(a)verizon.net> Dear folks, Mike Williams of the Wildland Residents Association will be interviewing Jeff Reinhardt, ARRL section PIO, on his radio show this morning (Tuesday) at 11:00 a.m. on 1290 AM. Jeff will discuss amateur radio in general, the ARRL, and amateur radio’s participation in emergency operations. The program will also be simulcast at http://morenews.newspress.com/kzsb/player.html and re-run several times. Lou

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Santa Paula Fire
by Bill Talanian 05 Dec '17

05 Dec '17

The Sulphur Mtn video camera is on line looking at the Santa Paula Fire. Go the my web site of www.pvarc.club. The video is on the main page. Thank you to Orv Beach W6BY and Ben Kup AI6YR for setting up the YouTube video feed on the pvarc web site. Paul, wd6eby

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Re: [Sbarc-list] Action against Dick Norton, N6AA
by Rick Whitaker 02 Dec '17

02 Dec '17

What kind of 1800's thinking is this code? How do they become so elite as to not have to tell the members what truly is going on. I believe that the concept of freedom of speech is indeed gone in the BOD for ARRL. Do we really not want to contest this? -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan [mailto:jay@west.net] Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 6:10 PM To: Darryl Widman; Dorothy Oksner K6DSO; Tom Saunders N6YX; Levi Maaia K6LCM; Theo Howe KK6YYZ; Michael Taylor K6RQV; brian(a)k6bpm.com; Bob Muller K6CTX Cc: Rod Fritz WB9KMO (rod(a)sbatv.org); Jay Hennigan WB6RDV; Marvin Johnston KE6HTS; Rick Whitaker KG6VLM; Ron Fugate N6ANF; Al Soenke; Bill Talanian W1UUQ; List, SBARC Subject: Re: Action against Dick Norton, N6AA On 12/1/17 1:40 AM, Darryl Widman wrote: > My Dear Friends, > Is this something we might want to comment upon at our next gathering? > Dick Norton, > N6AA, Director of the ARRL Southwestern Division has been a friend of > SBARC for many years, albeit not to the extent of previous Directors, > ie. Art Goddard, W6XD, or Fried Heyn, WA6WZO. The action of the ARRL > Board of Directors against him gives one pause and makes us wonder if > we ought consider another to run for his seat when his term expires. In my opinion, absolutely not, and we should donate to his re-election campaign. Long opinion follows. Summary is that ARRL has put him in a Catch-22. Research the details. Here's the timeline from what I can find in public documentation: January 2017: ARRL adopted a document titled "ARRL POLICY ON BOARD GOVERNANCE AND CONDUCT OF MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND VICE DIRECTORS" aka "Code of conduct". It is mostly reasonable and standard language, but there are some issues regarding "loyalty" and "confidentiality" that are concerning. Example is section 6c which prohibits a board member from discussing how board members voted on an issue, including how the member himself voted. Contrast this with SBARC and most non-profits where the board meetings are open to the membership and even the public. All of section 8 is particularly onerous. A board member's constituency may request an issue be brought before the board. The member argues in favor of his or her constituency and gets voted down. That member can't acknowledge that he tried. He can't say how he voted. He must go back to those who elected him and lie that he favors the actions of the Board against those that elected him, or at least pretend that he supports the Board. In my opinion, this stinks to high heaven. How can we as the members make an informed choice to elect representatives if they are barred from telling us how they represent us and how they vote and are forced to pretend that all is rosy in Newington? Full text here: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/ODV/ARRL%20Code%20of%20Conduct.pdf April 2017: DX convention was held in Visalia where there was an ARRL forum. Dick Norton attended and mentioned the existence of the new code and how it impacted his ability to communicate with members. He said (as required by the code, whether true or not) that he fully supported the code. Audience member Mark Weiss K6FG questioned the wisdom of the ARRL code of conduct and said that it stunk. He got a standing ovation. The rest of the audience agreed with him. This is as reported here: http://www.kb6nu.com/heck-arrl-board-thinking/ November 20, 2017: ARRL censures Dick Norton cryptically with no detail or offer of evidence. As per the new code, we as members are prohibited from knowing how our representatives voted. As far as I can tell, Dick's only crime was letting his constituents know that this egregious policy existed and how it limited his ability to communicate, all while claiming that he fully supported it. I certainly hope that this results in a major Streisand Effect problem for the League. See also: https://sites.google.com/site/hamsforabetterarrl/ https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/7fboef/what_the_heck_is_the_… Further, if as Darryl suggests, someone were to run for Dick's position and campaign on a platform of overturning the current code of ethics, if that person were even allowed in the ballot by ARRL "Ethics and Elections Committee", he would be barred from communicating to those who elected him as to how he or anyone else voted. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay(a)impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV

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Re: [Sbarc-list] Action against Dick Norton, N6AA
by Jay Hennigan 02 Dec '17

02 Dec '17

On 12/1/17 1:40 AM, Darryl Widman wrote: > My Dear Friends, > Is this something we might want to comment upon at our next gathering? > Dick Norton, > N6AA, Director of the ARRL Southwestern Division has been a friend of > SBARC for many > years, albeit not to the extent of previous Directors, ie. Art Goddard, > W6XD, or Fried > Heyn, WA6WZO. The action of the ARRL Board of Directors against him > gives one pause > and makes us wonder if we ought consider another to run for his seat > when his term > expires. In my opinion, absolutely not, and we should donate to his re-election campaign. Long opinion follows. Summary is that ARRL has put him in a Catch-22. Research the details. Here's the timeline from what I can find in public documentation: January 2017: ARRL adopted a document titled "ARRL POLICY ON BOARD GOVERNANCE AND CONDUCT OF MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND VICE DIRECTORS" aka "Code of conduct". It is mostly reasonable and standard language, but there are some issues regarding "loyalty" and "confidentiality" that are concerning. Example is section 6c which prohibits a board member from discussing how board members voted on an issue, including how the member himself voted. Contrast this with SBARC and most non-profits where the board meetings are open to the membership and even the public. All of section 8 is particularly onerous. A board member's constituency may request an issue be brought before the board. The member argues in favor of his or her constituency and gets voted down. That member can't acknowledge that he tried. He can't say how he voted. He must go back to those who elected him and lie that he favors the actions of the Board against those that elected him, or at least pretend that he supports the Board. In my opinion, this stinks to high heaven. How can we as the members make an informed choice to elect representatives if they are barred from telling us how they represent us and how they vote and are forced to pretend that all is rosy in Newington? Full text here: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/ODV/ARRL%20Code%20of%20Conduct.pdf April 2017: DX convention was held in Visalia where there was an ARRL forum. Dick Norton attended and mentioned the existence of the new code and how it impacted his ability to communicate with members. He said (as required by the code, whether true or not) that he fully supported the code. Audience member Mark Weiss K6FG questioned the wisdom of the ARRL code of conduct and said that it stunk. He got a standing ovation. The rest of the audience agreed with him. This is as reported here: http://www.kb6nu.com/heck-arrl-board-thinking/ November 20, 2017: ARRL censures Dick Norton cryptically with no detail or offer of evidence. As per the new code, we as members are prohibited from knowing how our representatives voted. As far as I can tell, Dick's only crime was letting his constituents know that this egregious policy existed and how it limited his ability to communicate, all while claiming that he fully supported it. I certainly hope that this results in a major Streisand Effect problem for the League. See also: https://sites.google.com/site/hamsforabetterarrl/ https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/7fboef/what_the_heck_is_the_… Further, if as Darryl suggests, someone were to run for Dick's position and campaign on a platform of overturning the current code of ethics, if that person were even allowed in the ballot by ARRL "Ethics and Elections Committee", he would be barred from communicating to those who elected him as to how he or anyone else voted. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay(a)impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV

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145.160 PL change
by Bill Talanian 27 Nov '17

27 Nov '17

QST QST QST The K6TZ 145.160 Repeater operating from Santa Ynez Peak has undergone two major changes this week. The antenna was relocated to a mast with a lower noise floor. In addition both input and output PL are now 127.3 Hz. The repeater system will be on-link with wd6eby at Sulphur Mountain in Ventura County. Would appreciate low level input signal reports and area of coverage. More later as we move forward. Bill Talanian Trustee

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Icom IC-7300 users out there?
by Dave Schmidt 24 Nov '17

24 Nov '17

Gigaparts, HRO and Main Trading all have a black Friday sale on the Icom IC-7300 ($999.95 after $100 rebate). Best part is the wife said I could get one :) Bad part is that I tend to over analyze things and sure enough I'm doing it with this radio. Question for the group - do any of you have firsthand experience with this radio especially in an environment with high noise (power lines mostly I think). I've read it doesn't do well in high noise environments and that's the thing that's keeping me from buying it. Dave ai6vx

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Upcoming bylaws vote - dangerous precedent
by Jay Hennigan 18 Nov '17

18 Nov '17

There are two proposals on tonight's ballot. One is for the membership to approve a dues increase from $24 per year to $35 per year. I am in favor of this. It has been a very long time since the dues were raised, inflation has taken its toll, our systems are aging, and we have taken on many new projects. The other proposal is in my opinion far more dangerous, and I urge you to vote against it. As the Club is presently structured, the Board of directors sets the dues. This has been the case for several decades. Once the Board votes to change the dues, this change must be approved by the membership at a regular meeting. The proposed change to the bylaws removes the provision that the membership ratify any dues increase. Having the Club membership ratify dues increases is an important safeguard against a future Board that seeks to take on more than the membership can support and fund it on the backs of an unwilling membership. To the best of my knowledge, the membership has never failed to ratify any increase in dues presented in my 40-plus years of SBARC membership, so there should not be any need to change the bylaws removing this important protection. The Board asks that we trust them. The Board already sets the dues. This doesn't change that, but it removes the safeguard against unreasonable increases that we now enjoy. Ronald Reagan used to quote an old Russian proverb, "Trust, but verify". This proposed change removes your ability as members to verify. This Board may be reasonable, but future Boards may not. Even with this Board, I have evidence that there was an attempt to raise one member's dues even before the increase was to be voted on at tonight's meeting. Despite assurances that this would be corrected, the evidence shows that it has not been. This is a hint of what may happen in the future. Please vote to approve the dues increase. Please vote NO on the bylaws change that would give this and future Boards the ability to raise your dues at will and remove your ability to prevent unreasonable increases. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay(a)impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV

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ARES Exercise
by Bill Talanian 14 Nov '17

14 Nov '17

QST QST QST ARES will be conducting a county-wide communications exercise with the Santa Barbara County Public Health Department and the Office of Emergency Management on Thursday, November 16, from 0800 to 1200 hours. (Set up will be at 0800 with comm checks around 0830. The drill itself will start at 0900 hours.) The 146.79 repeater will be used for south county operations and the 224.08 repeater will be linked to service all north county activity. The 446.4 repeater will be used for traffic between the EOC and the Public Health Department’s Department Operating Center. Linking between 146.79 and 145.18 will remain off to facilitate exercise communications. It is likely the operations will be concluded prior to 1200 hours. At the present time, they expect to have an open net until such time as the exercise begins, so an abbreviated SBARC morning net on 146.79 seems like it will not interfere. But space should be left between transmissions for emergency or exercise traffic. As soon as normal communications is restored at the hospitals, which is anticipated to be around 1100 hours, the net will either be terminated or put on open net status. ARES thanks all SBARC members and repeater users for their cooperation. Bill Talanian Trustee

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Re: [Sbarc-list] SBARC-list Digest, Vol 172, Issue 5
by theo howe 13 Nov '17

13 Nov '17

I agree. Let’s put this to rest. Below is the definition of “political” as defined by Websters: 1a :of or relating to government, a government, or the conduct of government b :of, relating to, or concerned with the making as distinguished from the administration of governmental policy<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/policy> 2:of, relating to, involving, or involved in politics<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politics> and especially party politics 3:organized in governmental terms * political units As far as I can tell, American flags and federal holidays have nothing to do with politics. Theo Howe KK6YYZ On Nov 13, 2017, at 12:00 PM, <sbarc-list-request(a)lists.netlojix.com<mailto:sbarc-list-request@lists.netlojix.com>> <sbarc-list-request(a)lists.netlojix.com<mailto:sbarc-list-request@lists.netlojix.com>> wrote: Send SBARC-list mailing list submissions to sbarc-list(a)lists.netlojix.com<mailto:sbarc-list@lists.netlojix.com> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.netl… or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to sbarc-list-request(a)lists.netlojix.com<mailto:sbarc-list-request@lists.netlojix.com> You can reach the person managing the list at sbarc-list-owner(a)lists.netlojix.com<mailto:sbarc-list-owner@lists.netlojix.com> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of SBARC-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Veterans Day recognition (Bill Talanian) 2. Re: Veterans Day (Jay Hennigan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 07:30:20 -0800 From: Bill Talanian <w1uuq(a)cox.net<mailto:w1uuq@cox.net>> To: sbarc list <sbarc-list(a)lists.netlojix.com<mailto:sbarc-list@lists.netlojix.com>> Subject: [Sbarc-list] Veterans Day recognition Message-ID: <9c79cba6-aff2-29b7-a6f0-d212278e5694(a)cox.net<mailto:9c79cba6-aff2-29b7-a6f0-d212278e5694@cox.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Folks: Let me weigh in on this as it appears my simple message has been misconstrued and may have been taken as offensive. The ListServer is for communications between members and a common interest. There are 10 government holidays. Three of them are Memorial Day, Independence Day, and Veterans Day. There is absolutely nothing political in recognition of our common heritage but a patriotic reminder of those in SBARC who have given their life for our freedom. I know each and everyone who have long been forgotten. Would one be so offended if I were to post an American Flag and say, Have a Happy Fourth. I would hope not. At every SBARC general meeting in a public building we all stand and Pledge Allegiance to the Flag. Everyone stands and it is common to place ones hand over their heart. Even non-citizens stand in this observance in recognition of our sovereignty. I am accorded the option of rendering a hand salute as a veteran. There is nothing political here to offend anyone. If one is so offended by a simple patriotic posting on the ListServer then the power is in their hands to use the delete button. Sincerely, Bill Talanian, USMC (ret) Semper Fi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.netl…> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 10:45:12 -0800 From: Jay Hennigan <jay(a)west.net<mailto:jay@west.net>> To: sbarc-list(a)lists.netlojix.com<mailto:sbarc-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: Re: [Sbarc-list] Veterans Day Message-ID: <d769509e-0375-54d1-d99a-b6cacbba0d36(a)west.net<mailto:d769509e-0375-54d1-d99a-b6cacbba0d36@west.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 11/12/17 9:39 PM, Stephen Pope via SBARC-list wrote: Just a question: is the SBARC list open to any member to post non-radio-related political content? Oh good grief. Stephen, I assumed that your question was general in nature and you accidentally piggybacked on Bill's note. If it was in reference to Bill's posting, then in my opinion your question isn't relevant. Honoring those who served our country is no more political content than wishing someone merry Christmas is hard-core religious proselytizing. There may be some non-US members of the list just as there may be some who don't celebrate Christmas. No big deal. To bring this back to amateur radio, Riley Hollingsworth's presentation has some merit with regard to content you may encounter both on the air and off the air including on this list. https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtu… Use the big knob if you're that easily offended. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay(a)impulse.net<mailto:jay@impulse.net> Impulse Internet Service - https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.impuls… Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ SBARC-list mailing list SBARC-list(a)lists.netlojix.com<mailto:SBARC-list@lists.netlojix.com> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.netl… End of SBARC-list Digest, Vol 172, Issue 5 ******************************************

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Veterans Day
by William Talanian 13 Nov '17

13 Nov '17

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