Marvin--I am done--0ur conversations has already lead to several members unsubscribing to this reflector so you and Jay and I can be proud that we have chased some good members of the club away--was not my intention so I will just stop this nonsense and see what the members want to do Andy

-----Original Message----- From: Marvin Johnston [mailto:marvin@west.net] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 6:50 PM To: Andrew Seybold Subject: Re: [Sbarc-list] SBRC; Can it live on in this environment?

Hi Andy,

Your comments imply you haven't read my diatribes posted to the list :). Among other things:

I am currently a board member on two 501(C)3 non-profit corporations I am currently an Assistant Section Manager of the SB Section I am currently up to date on the Internet and how to use it. I am currently reviewing books for two people, both with PhDs, one of whom is a fundraising consultant. I am currently doing work for another consultant who works with companies to help them keep employees etc., etc., etc.

If you took a look at the mindmap link I posted, it should be obvious that the internet and social media use were critical to the convention success as I had it laid out.

So how do you justify your statement I am not up to date on any of this stuff?

I fully agree that change can be a good thing.

But not when it causes the amount of contention these bylaw changes are causing.

And especially not a good thing when it is not well thought out.

Given all of the above, what makes you think the proposed bylaw changes are something that are needed?

I respectfully suggest that SBARC needs some people who know how to plan for the future. A bylaws change may well be needed, but not before careful thought and planning as to their effects.

And looking for some common ground, I think you will agree.

Thanks!

Marvin, KE6HTS

On 2013-11-10 18:22, Andrew Seybold wrote:

Simple Marvin--you have not been involved recently--times have changed, things have changed what worked 10 years ago no longer work, the Internet, technology, and new issues with the FCC and education have changed, so where have you been? I don't know what will work best all I know is that what we have won't continue to work going forward, I am not afraid of change I embrace it IF it is done logically and for a purpose. I do consulting for a living and to many times those who hire me are set in their ways, not willing to investigate new ways of doing things, not willing to consider change--change is bad correct? WRONG, if change helps us regain what we used to be and what we can become then change is good. Change is scary--but it can work-- Andy

-----Original Message----- From: sbarc-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:sbarc-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Marvin Johnston Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 6:15 PM To: sbarc-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Sbarc-list] SBRC; Can it live on in this environment?

Hi Andy,

First, does your not saying you agree with the existing bylaws changes (hopefully) mean you don't support them, and will vote against them?

What would you consider to be proof that SBARC could survive as it has done for the past 90 years?

There is no question both of us have dedicated a lot of time in an attempt to make SBARC a better club.

I dedicated some 17 years trying to help SBARC, most of that time as a board member, with the emphasis on benefits to the membership... mostly being the lone ranger in that attempt. That includes a number of stints as hamfest chair, 3 terms as (IMO a not so good) president, organized the beginners t-hunt at Lake Los Carnaros, started the free-to-good table, taking the 2009 hamfest to a section hamfest to a division convention before the board dumped it, and the list goes on.

So why is it you think I don't know what I am talking about?

Thanks!

Marvin