On 11/10/13 5:48 PM, Andrew Seybold wrote:
Jay--you don't engage in constructive dialog you engage in bashing and throwing things back-
OK, constructive dialog time:
You may have a valid point about the board size.
I am in favor of the current structure where the Board positions align with roles. Amateur radio is diverse, with a number of facets such as ATV, repeaters, DX, T-hunting, digital modes, emergency services, traffic handling, education and training, etc. As such, I'm in favor of role-based positions as we have now to keep a diversity of viewpoints. With only five Board positions, if we wind up with three gung-ho DXpedition folks on the Board we might find SBARC resources rusting on some remote island in the South Pacific to the detriment of other things.
A simple compromise would be to keep the current structure and eliminate four of the director-at-large positions. That would reduce the board size to nine. The remaining director-at-large would continue to be the past President or could be elected should that person choose not to remain or be elected to another position.
We have a standing Executive Committee as well as a Ways of Means committee that should be capable of handling grant writing and the like when we pursue outside funding.
If you are passionate about losing the word "Club" in the title of the organization and feel that this will be of value, I'm not opposed to it if it can truly be shown to help. That's how we've been known for 90 years so I don't think it should be taken lightly.
-I have never said that I agree with the existing revision to the bylaws all I have said is that there need to be changes if we are to survive,
Do you agree with the existing revision?
You have several times in this discussion cast the fear of losing all Club resources unless there were drastic changes, yet you haven't enumerated those changes. As the only drastic change under consideration is the bylaws change, the logical conclusion is that you are in favor of it.
I also challenged you and Marvin to PROVE that we could survive as we have been for years--you have no answer for that so have ignored that, I asked you to provide your ideas for making the club better you did not, I never said I had the answers, I only said that we had issues which need to be fixed--you and Marvin jumped on that and tore it out of context and engaged in finger pointing and comments about what you think without knowing for sure any of what you talk about.
Please stop the "You and Marvin" language. It is tiring and inaccurate and may lead others to draw false conclusions.
As you should know it is impossible to PROVE that we can survive as we have been for years. You yourself have pointed out several major accomplishments of which we can be proud, all undertaken with the current structure.
I can't PROVE that we will survive. The FCC could auction our spectrum to Google tomorrow. Absent a time machine, there is no way to PROVE any future event.
You are the one who states that we MUST make changes very quickly or perish. Can you PROVE that we will fail under the current structure? Can you enumerate the specific changes we must make and PROVE that they will avert the as yet unnamed disaster that will befall the Club unless made?
If you're that good at predicting the future with PROOF, then PROVE it to me by giving me copies of next month's Wall Street Journal. I would really appreciate that.
I have given my time, my energy and my capabilities to this club. What have you done in the past 5 years to assist us?
Absolutely everything that the Club has asked of me.
I filled out the information card on the application with most or all of the boxes checked. No one contacted me about weed abatement. No one asked me to join a single committee. No one asked me to teach a class. No one asked me to Elmer a new ham. No one asked me to help at the Club Station or fix any Club equipment.
I've done absolutely everything that the Club has asked of me. I may have given a talk at one of the meetings within the last five years and am scheduled to do so again.
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