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Re: [Sbarc-list] CHP Position on the "Hands-Free" Wireless Telephone Laws
by AJSOENKE＠aol.com 06 Jun '08

06 Jun '08

Read the section on new drivers - kids in their first year of driving. There is specific restriction on any form of wireless communication with numerous devices listed. With that as context it appears that the new law for mature drivers does not limit use of those devices, only cellphones. I have some quotes from school district interview with CHP I'll try topublish as soon as Finals are over. Irregardless of the phone issue, there is an over-riding Vehicle code which makes it illegal to drive while being distracted for any other reason than prevailing traffic. Al **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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Re: [Sbarc-list] CHP Position on the "Hands-Free" Wireless Telephone L aws
by W6YN Don Milbury 05 Jun '08

05 Jun '08

You say you want an exception? There is a mention of "two-way radio" on the DMV Web site concerning this very issue. No pickups however! >From DMV FAQ: Q: What if my phone has a push-to-talk feature, can I use that? A: No. The law does provide an exception for those operating a commercial motor truck or truck tractor (excluding pickups), implements of husbandry, farm vehicle or tow truck, to use a two-way radio operated by a push-to-talk feature. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/cellularphonelaws/ 73, Don, W6YN -- Jay Hennigan <jay(a)west.net> wrote: W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > It is interesting to note that the term "Wireless or Cellular Telephone" does not appear in the Library of Congress - 'Standard Industrial Codes' however "Radiotelephone Communications" does. This is the major issue with the law as written. The CA Vehicle Code has a "Definitions" section, and *THAT* definition, if it existed, would be the definitive one. Unfortunately there is no definition of "wireless telephone". Further confusing the issue is the FCC emission designator "radiotelephone" used to describe all forms of voice transmission regardless of (lack of) connection to the public switched telephone network. Getting the law changed is going to be a major problem as it is a popular law with the "Hang up and drive" crowd, insurance companies, etc. IMNSHO, the easiest "fix" is an addition to the definitions section of the Vehicle Code clarifying that amateur, CB, business band, etc. transceivers are exempt. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay(a)impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________

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Re: [Sbarc-list] CHP Position on the "Hands-Free" Wireless Telephone L aws
by W6YN Don Milbury 04 Jun '08

04 Jun '08

It is interesting to note that the term "Wireless or Cellular Telephone" does not appear in the Library of Congress - 'Standard Industrial Codes' however "Radiotelephone Communications" does. 73, Don, W6YN -- "Dennis Gibson" <wb6tnb(a)cox.net> wrote: Don - you've made an excellent point that I gave some thought to after reading the CHP e-mail. The CHP may regard amateur radio transceivers capable of making autopatch calls as wireless . Hopefully the ARRL and other amateur radio advocacy groups will work toward an interpretation that doesn't mention the possibility of amateur radio transceivers being wireless telephones. 73 ----- Original Message ----- From: "W6YN Don Milbury" <w6yn(a)juno.com> To: <sbarc-list(a)lists.netlojix.com> Cc: <wb6tnb(a)cox.net> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [Sbarc-list] CHP Position on the "Hands-Free" Wireless Telephone Laws So it looks like you must be sure you wear your hands free headset while using the repeater phone patch or you may be cited. Without a specific amateur radio exemption in the law I think troubles are possible. ARRL (Don't worry - Be happy} should be working to have this exemption added to the law. 73, Don, W6YN

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Re: [Sbarc-list] CHP Position on the "Hands-Free" Wireless Telephone L aws
by W6YN Don Milbury 04 Jun '08

04 Jun '08

So it looks like you must be sure you wear your hands free headset while using the repeater phone patch or you may be cited. Without a specific amateur radio exemption in the law I think troubles are possible. ARRL (Don't worry - Be happy} should be working to have this exemption added to the law. 73, Don, W6YN "Dennis Gibson" <wb6tnb(a)cox.net> wrote: ------------------- The following was published in the CGC Communicator (issue #839; June 3, 2008), an e-mail newsletter for broadcast engineers in Southern California. Many broadcast engineers have amateur radio licenses. I have subscribed to the CGC Communicator for more than ten years and have always found it to be an extremely reliable source of information. CHP POSITION ON THE "HANDS-FREE" WIRELESS TELEPHONE LAWS CGC has been flooded with opinions on the subject of the "hands-free" wireless telephone laws that go into effect in California on July 1, 2008. However, two readers sent us copies of the following letter from the California Highway Patrol (CHP) that appears to be great news for not just ham radio operators, but two-way users in general. CGC has verified the authenticity of the following e-mail. While the following letter is not necessarily binding on non-CHP law enforcement officers, we plan to carry a copy of the letter in our two-way radio equipped vehicles to reduce our chances of becoming a legal test case come July 1. ****************************************************************** CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL E-MAIL Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 07:48:20 -0700 From: Fran Clader <FClader(a)chp.ca.gov> Subject: Re: New Cell Phone Laws - July 1, 2008 The new cell phone laws involve only wireless telephones. They do not concern radios such as your (Amateur Radios), unless they are also wireless telephones. Again, the law only applies to wireless telephones. Thanks for your inquiry. If you have any further questions, please give us a call. Or, you can call your local San Diego area CHP office. Fran Clader Commander Office of Media Relations California Highway Patrol (916) 657-7202

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CHP Position on the "Hands-Free" Wireless Telephone Laws
by Dennis Gibson 03 Jun '08

03 Jun '08

The following was published in the CGC Communicator (issue #839; June 3, 2008), an e-mail newsletter for broadcast engineers in Southern California. Many broadcast engineers have amateur radio licenses. I have subscribed to the CGC Communicator for more than ten years and have always found it to be an extremely reliable source of information. CHP POSITION ON THE "HANDS-FREE" WIRELESS TELEPHONE LAWS CGC has been flooded with opinions on the subject of the "hands-free" wireless telephone laws that go into effect in California on July 1, 2008. However, two readers sent us copies of the following letter from the California Highway Patrol (CHP) that appears to be great news for not just ham radio operators, but two-way users in general. CGC has verified the authenticity of the following e-mail. While the following letter is not necessarily binding on non-CHP law enforcement officers, we plan to carry a copy of the letter in our two-way radio equipped vehicles to reduce our chances of becoming a legal test case come July 1. ****************************************************************** CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL E-MAIL Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 07:48:20 -0700 From: Fran Clader <FClader(a)chp.ca.gov> Subject: Re: New Cell Phone Laws - July 1, 2008 The new cell phone laws involve only wireless telephones. They do not concern radios such as your (Amateur Radios), unless they are also wireless telephones. Again, the law only applies to wireless telephones. Thanks for your inquiry. If you have any further questions, please give us a call. Or, you can call your local San Diego area CHP office. Fran Clader Commander Office of Media Relations California Highway Patrol (916) 657-7202

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successful cold-fusion ?
by ke6dcj 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

A respected scientist replicated in front of 60 individuals consisting of scientific journalists and other scientists an experiment that showed cold-fusion for over 50-hrs: http://physicsworld.com/blog/2008/05/coldfusion_demonstration_a_suc_1.html If true, the impact, although probably 5-10 years away, could be revolutionary . . . 73's, :-) neil KE6DCJ

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Bryan Watt, WA6JFM
by Bill Talanian 31 May '08

31 May '08

Introduction: For those of you who remember, Bryan Watt, WA6JFM, was the former owner of the 147.945 Repeater at Gibraltar Peak. Leila Srour, MD, was employed at Sansum before they decided to pull up stakes and go to Laos. Brian was active with SBARC and several Club projects when he resided in Santa Barbara as a EE. He later went to Brooks which provided him with the skills to launch another career. My former experience in Laos many years ago was quite different in an extremely poor country which was torn by political factions and war. Glad to see that one of our own is helping to make a difference. Bill Talanian Emacs! "Bryan Watt graduated with a Bachelor and Master of Science in Photography from the Brooks Institute of Photography. He was an honor roll student, on the President's list, and received the First Year Award. At graduation, he was presented with a Departmental award and the Achievement Award - the highest award presented by the Brooks Institute of Photography. After graduation, Bryan taught photography for several years at the Brooks Institute of Photography. Bryan believes a socially responsible photographer leaves with a part of the soul; and in return must give by helping those in need. Bryan helps to arrange medical care at the local level, provincial level, and national level. and has even helped Lao children to travel overseas for heart surgery and facial-reconstructive surgery. Bryan donates all the proceeds from his photography to the <http://www.bryanwatt.com/fund/fund.htm>Bryan and Leila's Lao Children's Fund. Bryan and his wife Leila Srour, a pediatrician have been living in the Lao People's Democratic Republic (Laos) since 2002." For more information go to: http://www.bryanwatt.com/ Santa Barbara News Press Page D1 Children of Laos May 27, 2008 12:00 AM Brooks Institute is hosting a fundraiser to help Brooks graduate Bryan Watt and his wife, Leila Srour, rebuild a school and children's center in Laos. A photographic exhibition of prints is on view through July 10 at the Brooks Institute Cota Street Gallery, 27 E. Cota Street. From 5 to 8 p.m. on June 5, all work will be auctioned at the free event, which coincides with the Downtown Organization's 1st Thursday art walk. Proceeds will go to the project for the children of Laos. In the northern city of Muang Sing in Laos near the Chinese border, there is a temporary classroom structure built out of sticks with a thatched roof. The Watts' objective is to rebuild a permanent school with a center for 286 kids. Gallery hours are 8 to 9 p.m. Mondays through Fridays and 10 a.m. to 9 p.m. weekends. For more information, call 690-7612.

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Events tomorrow, 5-31-08
by kc6nah＠juno.com 31 May '08

31 May '08

The following events are this Saturday: TRW Swapmeet 7:00 a.m. to 11:30 a.m.: http://w6trw.com/swapmeet/w6trw_arc_swapmeet.htm National Weather Service, Oxnard open house 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.: http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/lox/main.php?suite=office LA City Fire & LAPD Air Ops. & Air Support Facility Open House 10:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.: http://lafd.org/temp/airopsgrandopeningflyer.pdf KC6NAH LAFD's new Air Operations Facility Open House Saturday, May 31, 2008 at 10:00 AM at Van Nuys Airport ____________________________________________________________ Boost your online security with a personal firewall. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iigboj7RWZufiZFwCFhQjV5yj0…

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KF6TRT
by Bill Talanian 29 May '08

29 May '08

Does anyone know the whereabouts and email address for Paul Cronshaw, KF6TRT, SBARC LIst Server Moderator? He does not respond to <paulc(a)silcom.com>.

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Test posting.
by Jay Hennigan 28 May '08

28 May '08

Please disregard, testing the list server. There was an issue with a filter which should be resolved. If you posted a message recently and received a bounce-message referencing "securitysage", please resubmit your post. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay(a)impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV

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