4:59 a.m.
Hello everyone!
I found a Shure M44-7 cartridge installed on my AMI Continental 2.
I'd like to fit it with a N44-C stylus, as some of the 45 records I use
are obviously not in very good conditions; I'd like to find out if I can
reduce the skips and jumps I have when playing them.
My question is - if I install a replacement N44-C stylus on a M44-7
cartridge, I'll have the correct tracking force for the N44-C stylus, or
I should install it on a M44-7 cartridge for better results? I'm
interested in the tracking force alone, small differences in audio
quality does not really matter.
The tracking force should be a matter of the stylus installed, not the
cartridge, am I correct...?
Thanks...!
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Federico Croci
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5:09 a.m.
Hi,
The M44C and M44-7 are the same cartridge and the stylus is what makes them different.
If you put the m44-7 stylus on, you will need to reduce the tracking weight of the arm to
under 3 grams.
You won't get less skips and jumps with the 7. The M44 C is better suited for that
tonearm. I have tried the M44 7 myself on a continental and on a rock Ola and they really
require a better tone arm setup with a counterbalance weight as opposed to the spring.
My advice is use the M44 C stylus. Whatever the cartridge is labelled up as , 7 or C, it
is the same. Usually the 7 stylus is white and the C is light blue.
Nigel, uk
On 20 Mar 2023 at 11:00, Federico Croci via Jukebox-list
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Hello everyone!
I found a Shure M44-7 cartridge installed on my AMI Continental 2.
I'd like to fit it with a N44-C stylus, as some of the 45 records I use
are obviously not in very good conditions; I'd like to find out if I can
reduce the skips and jumps I have when playing them.
My question is - if I install a replacement N44-C stylus on a M44-7
cartridge, I'll have the correct tracking force for the N44-C stylus, or
I should install it on a M44-7 cartridge for better results? I'm
interested in the tracking force alone, small differences in audio
quality does not really matter.
The tracking force should be a matter of the stylus installed, not the
cartridge, am I correct...?
Thanks...!
--
Federico Croci
wiz(a)tilt.it
www.tilt.it
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6:24 p.m.
The problem is the crude tonearm. Unless a counterweight is used to replace that idiotic
spring and a couple of other simple steps are not taken, there is no way to get really
decent tracking without heavy weight and crude, stiff stylus cantilever. There is a reason
for the term "juked". The machines were notorious for ruining records.
Things did get better in the mid-sixties when it came to Seeburg and Rowe --if-- the arms
were set up properly/
RobNYC
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 01:59:40 AM GMT-8, Federico Croci via Jukebox-list
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Hello everyone!
I found a Shure M44-7 cartridge installed on my AMI Continental 2.
I'd like to fit it with a N44-C stylus, as some of the 45 records I use
are obviously not in very good conditions; I'd like to find out if I can
reduce the skips and jumps I have when playing them.
My question is - if I install a replacement N44-C stylus on a M44-7
cartridge, I'll have the correct tracking force for the N44-C stylus, or
I should install it on a M44-7 cartridge for better results? I'm
interested in the tracking force alone, small differences in audio
quality does not really matter.
The tracking force should be a matter of the stylus installed, not the
cartridge, am I correct...?
Thanks...!
--
Federico Croci
wiz(a)tilt.it
www.tilt.it
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6:49 p.m.
On 3/20/23 02:59, Federico Croci via Jukebox-list wrote:
Hello everyone!
I found a Shure M44-7 cartridge installed on my AMI Continental 2.
I'd like to fit it with a N44-C stylus, as some of the 45 records I use
are obviously not in very good conditions; I'd like to find out if I can
reduce the skips and jumps I have when playing them.
The N44-C requires lighter tracking force and is more likely to skip,
especially near the end of the record with trip switch side loading.
Use the N44-7 and set the tracking force near the high end. Make sure
that nothing is binding in terms of bearings, etc. and that the tonearm
wire is flexible.
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1:56 a.m.
Jay you've got that wrong.
The C is 3 to 5 grams and the 7 is 1.5 to 3g.
The C is the heavier tracking of the 2 styli not the lighter tracking.
If you use the M44/7 in a jukebox without a modified arm it may work if you're lucky,
but the cantilever will be dragging the arm forward and you can watch it swaying from side
to side. However, it's likely to skip and not cope with the resistance of the trip
switch well.
The C was made for autochanger and jukebox use.
I've done a lot of experimentation with these styli and cartridges and have had one in
my own continental since the 1980s. The C is the one to use.
Nigel, uk
On 21 Mar 2023 at 00:49, Jay Hennigan via Jukebox-list
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On 3/20/23 02:59, Federico Croci via Jukebox-list wrote:
Hello everyone!
I found a Shure M44-7 cartridge installed on my AMI Continental 2.
I'd like to fit it with a N44-C stylus, as some of the 45 records I use
are obviously not in very good conditions; I'd like to find out if I can
reduce the skips and jumps I have when playing them.
The N44-C requires lighter tracking force and is more likely to skip,
especially near the end of the record with trip switch side loading.
Use the N44-7 and set the tracking force near the high end. Make sure
that nothing is binding in terms of bearings, etc. and that the tonearm
wire is flexible.
--
Jay Hennigan - jay(a)west.net
Network Engineering - CCIE #7880
503 897-8550 - WB6RDV
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