Nigel - Sorry but I did not do the chrome work. The machine was restored by someone in Philadelphia, PA so I have no idea who they used. But I do know that putting chrome on aluminum is different than on zinc. However, triple chroming requires a special expertise that few people have. It is also extremely expensive... but worth it! Ed <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 8:14 PM Shankar Singh via Jukebox-list < jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:

Would appreciate some ideas on how to remove old damaged chrome.

Re-chroming doesn’t seem to an available option for me; would have to consider using auto paint.

Thank you

Shankar Singh

On Feb 14, 2024, at 15:16, Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list < jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:

Hi All,

I think I've been on this site since the beginning and amongst everything discussed, chrome is definitely not at the top of the list.

I'm looking at my Rowe Tropicana, the jukebox I have owned the longest. Since 1984. I had it re chromed then, the original chrome was totally shot.

I have lost count of the number of Tropicanas I have repaired over the years and the chrome is always terrible on them and much later Rowe's. So from 1964 to 1984 (20 years and terrible chrome). Had mine re chromed in 1984 (40 years so double the original chrome) and it's still 100 percent perfect. So my question is (taking environmental conditions and vandalism and wear and tear out of the equation), did Rowe Ami have rubbish chromers ?

Or indeed any jukebox manufacturer? Just a thought.

Nigel, uk

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Unless you have an acid bath and a way to properly dispose of it when you are finished, this is a job best left to professionals.  On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 08:15:00 PM EST, Shankar Singh via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote: Would appreciate some ideas on how to remove old damaged chrome. Re-chroming doesn’t seem to an available option for me; would have to consider using auto paint. Thank you Shankar Singh On Feb 14, 2024, at 15:16, Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote: Hi All,  I think I've been on this site since the beginning and amongst everything discussed, chrome is definitely not at the top of the list.  I'm looking at my Rowe Tropicana, the jukebox I have owned the longest. Since 1984. I had it re chromed then, the original chrome was totally shot.  I have lost count of the number of Tropicanas I have repaired over the years and the chrome is always terrible on them and much later Rowe's.  So from 1964 to 1984 (20 years and terrible chrome). Had mine re chromed in 1984 (40 years so double the original chrome) and it's still 100 percent perfect. So my question is (taking environmental conditions and vandalism and wear and tear out of the equation), did Rowe Ami have rubbish chromers ?  Or indeed any jukebox manufacturer? Just a thought.  Nigel, uk _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave@lists.netlojix.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave@lists.netlojix.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/

There are so many variables in plating so there are probably a thousand reasons why plating can fail. It would take a pretty in depth analysis to figure out. If I had to guess I''d say the culprit could be the lack of a nickel plate under the chrome... due to cost cutting. Triple chrome plating usually means a copper strike then a heavier acid copper plate then nickel then chrome.  The copper strike is a thin plate and it usually cyanide copper. This type of plating is more forgiving about cleanliness and is designed to produce a good base for any subsequent plating. The acid copper serves as a surfacer (like a primer surfacer in painting). It's where the high polish is achieved by buffing.  The nickel serves mainly as corrosion protection. Chrome is a tarnish resistant decorative plate. Chromium plate does not provide good corrosion protection. This is because it's designed to have micro cracks... which are necessary because it's very brittle. It was discovered early on that chrome plate without micro cracks does not perform well so it was designed to have controlled micro cracks.  To cut costs the process would consist of a polished base, cyanide copper strike and then chrome... no nickel. Then there is what is known as "Korean War Chrome" which produced sub par plating due to government restrictions on strategic materials in the early to mid 1950's.  In the 1980's and 90's I did electroplating in my hobby workshop... back before the days of the internet and Caswell.  I learned from old books and made my own equipment, power supply, rheostat and electrolytes. On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 08:24:34 PM CST, ROBERT wilson via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote: I had Speed Sport in Texas do some Rockola and Seeburg parts,  Nice work but really expensive, I have more in the Seeburg chrome than what I can sell the machine for. I think the problem was plating pot metal. Has anyone used Vinyl Chrome ?

On 02/14/2024 2:16 PM EST Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:

  Hi All,    I think I've been on this site since the beginning and amongst everything discussed, chrome is definitely not at the top of the list.    I'm looking at my Rowe Tropicana, the jukebox I have owned the longest. Since 1984. I had it re chromed then, the original chrome was totally shot.    I have lost count of the number of Tropicanas I have repaired over the years and the chrome is always terrible on them and much later Rowe's.    So from 1964 to 1984 (20 years and terrible chrome). Had mine re chromed in 1984 (40 years so double the original chrome) and it's still 100 percent perfect. So my question is (taking environmental conditions and vandalism and wear and tear out of the equation), did Rowe Ami have rubbish chromers ?    Or indeed any jukebox manufacturer? Just a thought.    Nigel, uk  

 

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I'm receiving individual emails for every posting now. Is there no more digest? I emailed and asked to switched back to digest, but no update. Any suggestions? Jason. ________________________________ From: Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Sent: February 15, 2024 2:48 AM To: Dan via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Cc: Nigel Pugh <pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Chrome random thoughts Thanks everyone for the postings on this. Back to my original post though, my conclusion is all the jukebox manufacturers of the time used poorer or cheaper chroming processes than the hobby chromers that we take our bits to to restore. All of the jukeboxes I have, have spent more of their life re chromed than they did wearing their original chrome and the re chrome is still immaculate whereas the original chrome didn't stand the test of time. Taking out harsher environments of a machine on site in a damp cold bar with beer chucked over it and general wear and tear, the original chrome hasn't lasted as good. Occasionally I see original machines with wonderful chrome so there's always exceptions. Nigel

On 15 Feb 2024 at 07:31, Dan via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:

There are so many variables in plating so there are probably a thousand reasons why plating can fail. It would take a pretty in depth analysis to figure out. If I had to guess I''d say the culprit could be the lack of a nickel plate under the chrome... due to cost cutting. Triple chrome plating usually means a copper strike then a heavier acid copper plate then nickel then chrome. The copper strike is a thin plate and it usually cyanide copper. This type of plating is more forgiving about cleanliness and is designed to produce a good base for any subsequent plating. The acid copper serves as a surfacer (like a primer surfacer in painting). It's where the high polish is achieved by buffing. The nickel serves mainly as corrosion protection. Chrome is a tarnish resistant decorative plate. Chromium plate does not provide good corrosion protection. This is because it's designed to have micro cracks... which are necessary because it's very brittle. It was discovered early on that chrome

plate without micro cracks does not perform well so it was designed to have controlled micro cracks. To cut costs the process would consist of a polished base, cyanide copper strike and then chrome... no nickel. Then there is what is known as "Korean War Chrome" which produced sub par plating due to government restrictions on strategic materials in the early to mid 1950's. In the 1980's and 90's I did electroplating in my hobby workshop... back before the days of the internet and Caswell. I learned from old books and made my own equipment, power supply, rheostat and electrolytes.

On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 08:24:34 PM CST, ROBERT wilson via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:

I had Speed Sport in Texas do some Rockola and Seeburg parts, Nice work but really expensive, I have more in the Seeburg chrome than what I can sell the machine for. I think the problem was plating pot metal. Has anyone used Vinyl Chrome ?

...

On 02/14/2024 2:16 PM EST Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:

Hi All,

I think I've been on this site since the beginning and amongst everything discussed, chrome is definitely not at the top of the list.

I'm looking at my Rowe Tropicana, the jukebox I have owned the longest. Since 1984. I had it re chromed then, the original chrome was totally shot.

I have lost count of the number of Tropicanas I have repaired over the years and the chrome is always terrible on them and much later Rowe's.

So from 1964 to 1984 (20 years and terrible chrome). Had mine re chromed in 1984 (40 years so double the original chrome) and it's still 100 percent perfect. So my question is (taking environmental conditions and vandalism and wear and tear out of the equation), did Rowe Ami have rubbish chromers ?

Or indeed any jukebox manufacturer? Just a thought.

Nigel, uk

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lol, that would be great... but: You are receiving this e-mail because you or someone else has requested a password for your user account. However, we do not have any record of a user with email xxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (I removed my email, it is correct, obviously, I just got this sent from the password request) in our database. Of course they have my email, I am getting emails and can respond. I guess the answer is to unsubscribe and re-sub and request digest... but how can I unsub if I can't login? ________________________________ From: D. Resor <organlists1@sonic.net> Sent: February 15, 2024 10:18 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Cc: 'jason w' <jayoldschool@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: No more digest? Go to: https://lists.netlojix.com/mailman3/lists/jukebox-list.lists.netlojix.com/ Sign In with your email address and password provided when you signed up for the list. Scroll down to the bottom of the page too..... Subscription / Unsubscription Under the "Manage" column click on "Manage Subscription" soft-key button in blue. Scroll down to "Delivery Mode". From the pull down menu you can select: Regular Plain text digest MIME digest Summary digest After you make your selection scroll down the page to the "Save changes" soft-key button in blue. Click on it and your new setting(s) will be saved. Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. Svc. Co. http://hammondorganservice.com Hammond USA warranty service "Most people don't have a sense of humor. They think they do, but they don't." --Jonathan Winters -----Original Message----- From: jason w via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:21 AM To: Jukebox mailing list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Cc: jason w <jayoldschool@hotmail.com> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: No more digest? I'm receiving individual emails for every posting now. Is there no more digest? I emailed and asked to switched back to digest, but no update. Any suggestions? Jason. ________________________________

On 2024/02/15 10:58 a.m., David via Jukebox-list wrote:

Funny. I got the exact same email. Does not recognize my email and does not recognize my password, yet I get emails every day.

David A. Kocian

I was curious so I tried to log in on https://lists.netlojix.com/accounts/signup/ - used the Forgot password and the system claimed I wasn't registered. So I tried my other email address from long ago and it also was not recognized. So I registered in jrr@flippers... and that seemed to fix things. I could then select how I wanted the emails sent. You may want to re-register to sort this out. This may apply to everyone since an update in 2017...when the system stopped posting the member's email address and just said "Jukebox List" in the From: field. Unless the member ALSO posted to your/my email address, then it shows the sender's email address. John :-#)#

-----Original Message----- From: jason w via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 12:56 PM To: D. Resor <organlists1@sonic.net>; 'Jukebox mailing list' <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Cc: jason w <jayoldschool@hotmail.com> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: No more digest?

lol, that would be great... but:

You are receiving this e-mail because you or someone else has requested a password for your user account. However, we do not have any record of a user with email xxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (I removed my email, it is correct, obviously, I just got this sent from the password request) in our database.

Of course they have my email, I am getting emails and can respond. I guess the answer is to unsubscribe and re-sub and request digest... but how can I unsub if I can't login?

________________________________ From: D. Resor <organlists1@sonic.net> Sent: February 15, 2024 10:18 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Cc: 'jason w' <jayoldschool@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: No more digest?

Go to:

https://lists.netlojix.com/mailman3/lists/jukebox-list.lists.netlojix.com/

Sign In with your email address and password provided when you signed up for the list.

Scroll down to the bottom of the page too.....

Subscription / Unsubscription

Under the "Manage" column click on "Manage Subscription" soft-key button in blue.

Scroll down to "Delivery Mode".

...

From the pull down menu you can select:

Regular Plain text digest MIME digest Summary digest

After you make your selection scroll down the page to the "Save changes" soft-key button in blue. Click on it and your new setting(s) will be saved.

Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. Svc. Co. http://hammondorganservice.com Hammond USA warranty service "Most people don't have a sense of humor. They think they do, but they don't." --Jonathan Winters

-----Original Message----- From: jason w via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:21 AM To: Jukebox mailing list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Cc: jason w <jayoldschool@hotmail.com> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: No more digest?

I'm receiving individual emails for every posting now. Is there no more digest? I emailed and asked to switched back to digest, but no update. Any suggestions?

Jason. ________________________________

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On 2024/02/15 11:24 a.m., jason w via Jukebox-list wrote:

Yeah, I'd love for my address to not be floating around out there.

Thanks for the updates, gentlemen.

Currently Jason, your email is showing in the cc: section. If it helps, re-registering did not change my displayed email address from "Jukebox List". You can change the settings so you don't generate a replyto email that includes your address - I think. I've set my Mailman settings to: Receive own postings: No Acknowledge posts: No Hide address: Yes Receive list copies: No So, does my email address show in cc: with this setup now? I'll change it back as I prefer to have my email public. John :-#)#

________________________________ From: John Robertson via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Sent: February 15, 2024 2:22 PM To: David via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Cc: John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: No more digest?

On 2024/02/15 10:58 a.m., David via Jukebox-list wrote:

...

Funny. I got the exact same email. Does not recognize my email and does not recognize my password, yet I get emails every day.

David A. Kocian I was curious so I tried to log in on

https://lists.netlojix.com/accounts/signup/

- used the Forgot password and the system claimed I wasn't registered. So I tried my other email address from long ago and it also was not recognized.

So I registered in jrr@flippers... and that seemed to fix things. I could then select how I wanted the emails sent.

You may want to re-register to sort this out. This may apply to everyone since an update in 2017...when the system stopped posting the member's email address and just said "Jukebox List" in the From: field. Unless the member ALSO posted to your/my email address, then it shows the sender's email address.

John :-#)#

...

-----Original Message----- From: jason w via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 12:56 PM To: D. Resor <organlists1@sonic.net>; 'Jukebox mailing list' <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Cc: jason w <jayoldschool@hotmail.com> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: No more digest?

lol, that would be great... but:

You are receiving this e-mail because you or someone else has requested a password for your user account. However, we do not have any record of a user with email xxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (I removed my email, it is correct, obviously, I just got this sent from the password request) in our database.

Of course they have my email, I am getting emails and can respond. I guess the answer is to unsubscribe and re-sub and request digest... but how can I unsub if I can't login?

________________________________ From: D. Resor <organlists1@sonic.net> Sent: February 15, 2024 10:18 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Cc: 'jason w' <jayoldschool@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: No more digest?

Go to:

https://lists.netlojix.com/mailman3/lists/jukebox-list.lists.netlojix.com/

Sign In with your email address and password provided when you signed up for the list.

Scroll down to the bottom of the page too.....

Subscription / Unsubscription

Under the "Manage" column click on "Manage Subscription" soft-key button in blue.

Scroll down to "Delivery Mode".

...

From the pull down menu you can select:

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After you make your selection scroll down the page to the "Save changes" soft-key button in blue. Click on it and your new setting(s) will be saved.

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-----Original Message----- From: jason w via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:21 AM To: Jukebox mailing list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Cc: jason w <jayoldschool@hotmail.com> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: No more digest?

I'm receiving individual emails for every posting now. Is there no more digest? I emailed and asked to switched back to digest, but no update. Any suggestions?

Jason. ________________________________

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On 2/15/2024 2:40 PM, John Robertson via Jukebox-list wrote:

On 2024/02/15 11:24 a.m., jason w via Jukebox-list wrote:

...

Yeah, I'd love for my address to not be floating around out there.

Thanks for the updates, gentlemen.

Sorry about the repost - I turned off the send to me (Receive own post) so I don't know what it looks like.

Currently Jason, your email is showing in the cc: section.

If it helps, re-registering did not change my displayed email address from "Jukebox List". You can change the settings so you don't generate a replyto email that includes your address - I think.

I've set my Mailman settings to:

Receive own postings: Yes (revised)

Acknowledge posts: No

Hide address: Yes

Receive list copies: No

So, does my email address show in cc: with this setup now? I'll change it back as I prefer to have my email public.

John :-#)#

John, your email address is showing in this and the previous reply. Tony

There is no record of this email for me either, when I tried to reset pw. My pw didn’t work when i tried to login. Shankar Singh On Feb 15, 2024, at 14:59, David via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote: Funny. I got the exact same email. Does not recognize my email and does not recognize my password, yet I get emails every day. David A. Kocian -----Original Message----- From: jason w via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 12:56 PM To: D. Resor <organlists1@sonic.net>; 'Jukebox mailing list' <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Cc: jason w <jayoldschool@hotmail.com> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: No more digest? lol, that would be great... but: You are receiving this e-mail because you or someone else has requested a password for your user account. However, we do not have any record of a user with email xxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (I removed my email, it is correct, obviously, I just got this sent from the password request) in our database. Of course they have my email, I am getting emails and can respond. I guess the answer is to unsubscribe and re-sub and request digest... but how can I unsub if I can't login? ________________________________ From: D. Resor <organlists1@sonic.net> Sent: February 15, 2024 10:18 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Cc: 'jason w' <jayoldschool@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: No more digest? Go to: https://lists.netlojix.com/mailman3/lists/jukebox-list.lists.netlojix.com/ Sign In with your email address and password provided when you signed up for the list. Scroll down to the bottom of the page too..... Subscription / Unsubscription Under the "Manage" column click on "Manage Subscription" soft-key button in blue. Scroll down to "Delivery Mode".

From the pull down menu you can select:

Regular Plain text digest MIME digest Summary digest After you make your selection scroll down the page to the "Save changes" soft-key button in blue. Click on it and your new setting(s) will be saved. Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. Svc. Co. http://hammondorganservice.com Hammond USA warranty service "Most people don't have a sense of humor. They think they do, but they don't." --Jonathan Winters -----Original Message----- From: jason w via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:21 AM To: Jukebox mailing list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Cc: jason w <jayoldschool@hotmail.com> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: No more digest? I'm receiving individual emails for every posting now. Is there no more digest? I emailed and asked to switched back to digest, but no update. Any suggestions? Jason. ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave@lists.netlojix.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave@lists.netlojix.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/

On 2/15/24 05:20, jason w via Jukebox-list wrote:

I'm receiving individual emails for every posting now. Is there no more digest? I emailed and asked to switched back to digest, but no update. Any suggestions?

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I reckon what you say makes sense Steve, moreso they had 1000s of components done, and was a production line unlike the one off hobby chroming that we have done today. Also I suppose, the hobby chrome has to be stripped and polished and prepared and plated etc... so more attention goes into that as opposed to new fresh metal. You can still get thoroughly naff new chrome. I have a 71 VW camper, and if you buy Mexican repro chrome parts they don't last. They call it sunny side chrome .... No good for our wet weather here ! Nigel, uk

On 15 Feb 2024 at 21:08, Steve Wahl via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 07:48:05AM +0000, Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list wrote:

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Back to my original post though, my conclusion is all the jukebox manufacturers of the time used poorer or cheaper chroming processes than the hobby chromers that we take our bits to to restore.

I think you're right that the original chroming work may not measure up when compared to a good re-finishing job done today. To me at least, it makes sense that it would be this way:

The original manufacturer's aim wasn't to make a machine that lasted decades; it was to sell a machine to a route operator, then sell another one to him a few years later. It did need to last long enough that it wouldn't hurt the company's reputation, but not much more; and if the finish started showing defects by the end of the expected life, but still worked, that might mean it moved to the operator's "B" and "C" locations sooner, and the "A" locations got a new box quicker. "A" locations deserve / want shiny new boxes all the time, anyway, right?

If cutting corners to cut cost on the plating didn't affect appearance for the time the box spent in its first location, there was every reason to do it. The maker can then increase profit, or lower price to beat competition, or some of each.

The people re-chroming individual objects today have a different target customer, who cares much more about the longevity of the finish, whether on motorcycles or jukes. And they're doing individual pieces, not replicating a large number on a production line.

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All of the jukeboxes I have, have spent more of their life re chromed than they did wearing their original chrome and the re chrome is still immaculate whereas the original chrome didn't stand the test of time. Taking out harsher environments of a machine on site in a damp cold bar with beer chucked over it and general wear and tear, the original chrome hasn't lasted as good.

Given the considerations I've given above, this kind of makes sense, doesn't it?

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Occasionally I see original machines with wonderful chrome so there's always exceptions.

Many semi-random variables contribute to this: Was the first chroming done by someone new on the job or someone with lots of experience? Were they working at normal speed, or were they in a time crunch to meet production numbers? Was the chemical mix perfect that day, or was it off by a bit? And then there's the environment the juke spent its life in after leaving the factory. If all the factors line up in your favor, the finish survives today. But it's largely a matter of luck.

Just my observation, for whatever it's worth!

--> Steve

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