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On Jan 21, 2025, at 5:07 AM, Rich Myers via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Just checking in from Kansas City. List seems to be a bit slow to begin the new year. -8 degrees F....here....stay warm friends.
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Hi Rich, Happy New Year. Chilly here is Spokane. 13 yesterday. Dean On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 05:37:05 AM PST, Don R via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote: About a dozen or so genuine Dukey-Poo tm dim bulb testers might thaw things out ;) Don Resor Sent from someone's iPhone
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Just checking in from Kansas City. List seems to be a bit slow to begin the new year. -8 degrees F....here....stay warm friends.
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Hi Folks, Here in Sunny Vancouver it is a balmy 0C = 32F, with lows of -5C (23F) highs of +5C (41F). Good sidecar riding weather... On a side note I've hired a young person to apprentice on jukebox repairs - we must pass the knowledge on! John :-#)# On 2025-01-21 9:23 a.m., Dean Carriveau via Jukebox-list wrote:
Hi Rich, Happy New Year. Chilly here is Spokane. 13 yesterday. Dean
On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 05:37:05 AM PST, Don R via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
About a dozen or so genuine Dukey-Poo tm dim bulb testers might thaw things out ;)
Don Resor
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On Jan 21, 2025, at 5:07 AM, Rich Myers via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Just checking in from Kansas City. List seems to be a bit slow to begin the new year. -8 degrees F....here....stay warm friends.
-rich
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John, That’s nice to hear that you have an apprentice, well done! -10C (14F) here in Mississauga, Ontario Mauro Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 21, 2025, at 1:07 PM, John Robertson via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Hi Folks,
Here in Sunny Vancouver it is a balmy 0C = 32F, with lows of -5C (23F) highs of +5C (41F). Good sidecar riding weather...
On a side note I've hired a young person to apprentice on jukebox repairs - we must pass the knowledge on!
John :-#)#
On 2025-01-21 9:23 a.m., Dean Carriveau via Jukebox-list wrote: Hi Rich, Happy New Year. Chilly here is Spokane. 13 yesterday. Dean
On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 05:37:05 AM PST, Don R via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote: About a dozen or so genuine Dukey-Poo tm dim bulb testers might thaw things out ;)
Don Resor
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On Jan 21, 2025, at 5:07 AM, Rich Myers via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Just checking in from Kansas City. List seems to be a bit slow to begin the new year. -8 degrees F....here....stay warm friends.
-rich
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Hello from Indianapolis, 2 deg F today. Robert
On 01/21/2025 1:07 PM EST John Robertson via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Hi Folks,
Here in Sunny Vancouver it is a balmy 0C = 32F, with lows of -5C (23F) highs of +5C (41F). Good sidecar riding weather...
On a side note I've hired a young person to apprentice on jukebox repairs - we must pass the knowledge on!
John :-#)#
On 2025-01-21 9:23 a.m., Dean Carriveau via Jukebox-list wrote:
Hi Rich, Happy New Year. Chilly here is Spokane. 13 yesterday. Dean
On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 05:37:05 AM PST, Don R via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
About a dozen or so genuine Dukey-Poo tm dim bulb testers might thaw things out ;)
Don Resor
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On Jan 21, 2025, at 5:07 AM, Rich Myers via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Just checking in from Kansas City. List seems to be a bit slow to begin the new year. -8 degrees F....here....stay warm friends.
-rich
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Need to keep these machines working - good for you! On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 2:40 PM ROBERT wilson via Jukebox-list < jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Hello from Indianapolis,
2 deg F today.
Robert
On 01/21/2025 1:07 PM EST John Robertson via Jukebox-list < jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Hi Folks,
Here in Sunny Vancouver it is a balmy 0C = 32F, with lows of -5C (23F) highs of +5C (41F). Good sidecar riding weather...
On a side note I've hired a young person to apprentice on jukebox repairs - we must pass the knowledge on!
John :-#)#
On 2025-01-21 9:23 a.m., Dean Carriveau via Jukebox-list wrote:
Hi Rich, Happy New Year. Chilly here is Spokane. 13 yesterday. Dean
On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 05:37:05 AM PST, Don R via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
About a dozen or so genuine Dukey-Poo tm dim bulb testers might thaw things out ;)
Don Resor
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On Jan 21, 2025, at 5:07 AM, Rich Myers via Jukebox-list < jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Just checking in from Kansas City. List seems to be a bit slow to begin the new year. -8 degrees F....here....stay warm friends.
-rich
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Low was about -15 here in Madison, Wisconsin today; the high was 1. Supposed to hit 20 tomorrow. Crank up the juke to keep warm (those tubes!). Best to all. TJ Thomas J. Mertz tjmertz@sbcglobal.net On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 11:23:27 AM CST, Dean Carriveau via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote: Hi Rich, Happy New Year. Chilly here is Spokane. 13 yesterday. Dean On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 05:37:05 AM PST, Don R via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote: About a dozen or so genuine Dukey-Poo tm dim bulb testers might thaw things out ;) Don Resor Sent from someone's iPhone
On Jan 21, 2025, at 5:07 AM, Rich Myers via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Just checking in from Kansas City. List seems to be a bit slow to begin the new year. -8 degrees F....here....stay warm friends.
-rich
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On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 03:49:07 PM PST, Thomas J. Mertz via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Low was about -15 here in Madison, Wisconsin today; the high was 1. Supposed to hit 20 tomorrow. Crank up the juke to keep warm (those tubes!).
It got down to 28 last night here in the south Puget Sound area.Bird baths froze over. : -) Gotta love the moderating influence of all that salt water.
So. Rainy horrible day in England, I wish I could stop my brain over thinking unnecessary stuff, but this just came into my head. What is the frequency response of a horn ? (Not piezo). Standard jukebox type like Ami and Seeburg used. The reason I ask is, they must cover both mid range and treble, right ? Ami continental 1 has 12 inch woofer and small horn. Ami continental 2 stereo round has woofer, 2 oval midrange side speakers, and a tweeter (not a horn) - followed by pretty much the same design for the next few Rowe Ami models. So they swapped the horn in the C2 for a tweeter, and expected the 2 side speakers to do the mid. Was this just fancy technology to show they were progressing with futuristic ideas, out of phase stereo, as I can honestly say the original mono C1 actually sounds better. Or does the C1 sound better because the midrange is actually quite poor and that gives the illusion of more bass and more treble. You can put some jukeboxes in any room and they sound great, and some with quirky setups seem to thrive in certain settings with certain floors and proximity to walls and corners etc... not that anyone in a bar or cafe would care 2 hoots but in your home after owning so many machines you do tend to notice. I have a 1976 Sunstar and a 1977 Rock Ola 470. Sunstar has horns, 470 has a hybrid kind of mid/tweeter type of speaker. Both jukeboxes sound amazing, albeit different to eachother. But back to my question, do horns have a wider frequency response than tweeters ? And is this why anyone who replaces a horn with a piezo horn never gets a right sound as there is a huge frequency gap between the two speakers. Nigel, England.
On 22 Jan 2025 at 07:09, David Breneman via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 03:49:07 PM PST, Thomas J. Mertz via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Low was about -15 here in Madison, Wisconsin today; the high was 1. Supposed to hit 20 tomorrow. Crank up the juke to keep warm (those tubes!).
It got down to 28 last night here in the south Puget Sound area.Bird baths froze over. : -) Gotta love the moderating influence of all that salt water.
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Many early 12"- 15" speakers are not "woofers". They are "full range", but the horn and tweeters came into play because the large full range speakers simply couldn't reproduce the highs very well. On 1/26/2025 9:45 AM, Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list wrote:
So. Rainy horrible day in England, I wish I could stop my brain over thinking unnecessary stuff, but this just came into my head.
What is the frequency response of a horn ? (Not piezo). Standard jukebox type like Ami and Seeburg used.
The reason I ask is, they must cover both mid range and treble, right ?
Ami continental 1 has 12 inch woofer and small horn.
Ami continental 2 stereo round has woofer, 2 oval midrange side speakers, and a tweeter (not a horn) - followed by pretty much the same design for the next few Rowe Ami models.
So they swapped the horn in the C2 for a tweeter, and expected the 2 side speakers to do the mid.
Was this just fancy technology to show they were progressing with futuristic ideas, out of phase stereo, as I can honestly say the original mono C1 actually sounds better. Or does the C1 sound better because the midrange is actually quite poor and that gives the illusion of more bass and more treble. You can put some jukeboxes in any room and they sound great, and some with quirky setups seem to thrive in certain settings with certain floors and proximity to walls and corners etc... not that anyone in a bar or cafe would care 2 hoots but in your home after owning so many machines you do tend to notice.
I have a 1976 Sunstar and a 1977 Rock Ola 470. Sunstar has horns, 470 has a hybrid kind of mid/tweeter type of speaker. Both jukeboxes sound amazing, albeit different to eachother. But back to my question, do horns have a wider frequency response than tweeters ?
And is this why anyone who replaces a horn with a piezo horn never gets a right sound as there is a huge frequency gap between the two speakers.
Nigel, England.
On 22 Jan 2025 at 07:09, David Breneman via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 03:49:07 PM PST, Thomas J. Mertz via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Low was about -15 here in Madison, Wisconsin today; the high was 1. Supposed to hit 20 tomorrow. Crank up the juke to keep warm (those tubes!).
It got down to 28 last night here in the south Puget Sound area.Bird baths froze over. : -) Gotta love the moderating influence of all that salt water.
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And of course the same happened to the other frequencies also. The speakers in my living room have a woofer, midrange, tweeter, and a super tweeter. The volume for all but the woofers are adjustable. They are some old 1979? Marantz HD770's. Some time ago I ran across another pair, all they need is a new foam surround for the woofers. I should fix them and sell them. On 1/26/2025 10:50 AM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Many early 12"- 15" speakers are not "woofers". They are "full range", but the horn and tweeters came into play because the large full range speakers simply couldn't reproduce the highs very well.
On 1/26/2025 9:45 AM, Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list wrote:
So. Rainy horrible day in England, I wish I could stop my brain over thinking unnecessary stuff, but this just came into my head. What is the frequency response of a horn ? (Not piezo). Standard jukebox type like Ami and Seeburg used. The reason I ask is, they must cover both mid range and treble, right ? Ami continental 1 has 12 inch woofer and small horn. Ami continental 2 stereo round has woofer, 2 oval midrange side speakers, and a tweeter (not a horn) - followed by pretty much the same design for the next few Rowe Ami models. So they swapped the horn in the C2 for a tweeter, and expected the 2 side speakers to do the mid. Was this just fancy technology to show they were progressing with futuristic ideas, out of phase stereo, as I can honestly say the original mono C1 actually sounds better. Or does the C1 sound better because the midrange is actually quite poor and that gives the illusion of more bass and more treble. You can put some jukeboxes in any room and they sound great, and some with quirky setups seem to thrive in certain settings with certain floors and proximity to walls and corners etc... not that anyone in a bar or cafe would care 2 hoots but in your home after owning so many machines you do tend to notice. I have a 1976 Sunstar and a 1977 Rock Ola 470. Sunstar has horns, 470 has a hybrid kind of mid/tweeter type of speaker. Both jukeboxes sound amazing, albeit different to eachother. But back to my question, do horns have a wider frequency response than tweeters ? And is this why anyone who replaces a horn with a piezo horn never gets a right sound as there is a huge frequency gap between the two speakers. Nigel, England.
On 22 Jan 2025 at 07:09, David Breneman via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote: On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 03:49:07 PM PST, Thomas J. Mertz via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote: > Low was about -15 here in Madison, Wisconsin today; the high was 1.
Supposed to hit 20 tomorrow. Crank up the juke to keep warm (those tubes!).
It got down to 28 last night here in the south Puget Sound area.Bird baths froze over. : -) Gotta love the moderating influence of all that salt water. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list -- jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com To unsubscribe send an email to jukebox-list-leave@lists.netlojix.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/
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But the 12 inch in a Continental 1 and the early Rowe Amis are identical - whether CTC, Jensen or Quam they are the exact same speaker, however the C1 has 12 inch and horn, the others have 12 inch, side midrange, and tweeter. So logic tells me the tweeter has a more restricted frequency range than the horn, or - there is no logic, and on the C1, some of the midrange frequencies are just missing. That's my line of thought. Nigel
On 26 Jan 2025 at 15:51, Tony Miklos via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Many early 12"- 15" speakers are not "woofers". They are "full range", but the horn and tweeters came into play because the large full range speakers simply couldn't reproduce the highs very well.
On 1/26/2025 9:45 AM, Nigel Pugh via Jukebox-list wrote:
So. Rainy horrible day in England, I wish I could stop my brain over thinking unnecessary stuff, but this just came into my head.
What is the frequency response of a horn ? (Not piezo). Standard jukebox type like Ami and Seeburg used.
The reason I ask is, they must cover both mid range and treble, right ?
Ami continental 1 has 12 inch woofer and small horn.
Ami continental 2 stereo round has woofer, 2 oval midrange side speakers, and a tweeter (not a horn) - followed by pretty much the same design for the next few Rowe Ami models.
So they swapped the horn in the C2 for a tweeter, and expected the 2 side speakers to do the mid.
Was this just fancy technology to show they were progressing with futuristic ideas, out of phase stereo, as I can honestly say the original mono C1 actually sounds better. Or does the C1 sound better because the midrange is actually quite poor and that gives the illusion of more bass and more treble. You can put some jukeboxes in any room and they sound great, and some with quirky setups seem to thrive in certain settings with certain floors and proximity to walls and corners etc... not that anyone in a bar or cafe would care 2 hoots but in your home after owning so many machines you do tend to notice.
I have a 1976 Sunstar and a 1977 Rock Ola 470. Sunstar has horns, 470 has a hybrid kind of mid/tweeter type of speaker. Both jukeboxes sound amazing, albeit different to eachother. But back to my question, do horns have a wider frequency response than tweeters ?
And is this why anyone who replaces a horn with a piezo horn never gets a right sound as there is a huge frequency gap between the two speakers.
Nigel, England.
On 22 Jan 2025 at 07:09, David Breneman via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 03:49:07 PM PST, Thomas J. Mertz via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
Low was about -15 here in Madison, Wisconsin today; the high was 1. Supposed to hit 20 tomorrow. Crank up the juke to keep warm (those tubes!).
It got down to 28 last night here in the south Puget Sound area.Bird baths froze over. : -) Gotta love the moderating influence of all that salt water.
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And I thought +15 was cold this morning. I hate the cold so I moved south. Where I lived before, they had a low of -1 so 16° is worth the move. I would have gone further south but didn't want it too warm for too long. Tony On 1/21/2025 8:06 AM, Rich Myers via Jukebox-list wrote:
Just checking in from Kansas City. List seems to be a bit slow to begin the new year. -8 degrees F....here....stay warm friends.
-rich
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I’m in Cocoa Beach FL and it’s chilly here too. Long sleeve and sweatshirt weather. But my wife said this morning at home -6 So I guess I can’t complain On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 4:17 PM Tony Miklos via Jukebox-list < jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> wrote:
And I thought +15 was cold this morning. I hate the cold so I moved south. Where I lived before, they had a low of -1 so 16° is worth the move. I would have gone further south but didn't want it too warm for too long.
Tony
On 1/21/2025 8:06 AM, Rich Myers via Jukebox-list wrote:
Just checking in from Kansas City. List seems to be a bit slow to begin the new year. -8 degrees F....here....stay warm friends.
-rich
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Hi Folks, Rod here from Australia - Happy New Year to you all. Sorry to hear your cold weather reports, it was 38 deg C (100F) here yesterday with a strong hot wind and a very pleasant 25 deg today. Keep-up the good work sharing your advice and experiences. Rod. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Miklos via Jukebox-list <jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Sent: Wednesday, 22 January 2025 8:17 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Tony Miklos <tonysjukeboxrepair@gmail.com> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Check in And I thought +15 was cold this morning. I hate the cold so I moved south. Where I lived before, they had a low of -1 so 16° is worth the move. I would have gone further south but didn't want it too warm for too long. Tony On 1/21/2025 8:06 AM, Rich Myers via Jukebox-list wrote:
Just checking in from Kansas City. List seems to be a bit slow to begin the new year. -8 degrees F....here....stay warm friends.
-rich
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19k20＠comcast.net -
David Breneman -
Dean Carriveau -
Don R -
Ed Liss -
John Robertson -
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Nigel Pugh -
ROBERT wilson -
Thomas J. Mertz -
Tony Miklos