From jyount130960 at comcast.net Fri Jan 1 08:54:08 2010 From: jyount130960 at comcast.net (jyount130960@comcast.net) Date: Fri Jan 1 09:04:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mech video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1159371834.6939251262364848548.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> The switch on the back has one position for the side lights to stay lit whenever the machine is on and another to make them come on when a selection has been made.? As far as the mech for the lower door, I have put in a device that works quite well and changes the colors of the front door reflective area to Blue, Green, Gold and Red.?? Works quite well actually and was surprisingly simple to to rig up.? Could make a video if anyone is interested. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron H" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:56:07 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mech video Bob, Let's talk off list when you get a chance. I can send you videos or pictures directly for anything you need for your Trashcan. Aaron On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 5:18 PM, NotarySojac wrote: > I had some time to fool around with my trashcan this past weekend. > > I got it to start cycling but a few trays are stuck 1/3 of the way out. The > motor spins but that's about it. > > This all happened when I pushed one of the contacts closed towards the > front of the mech. > > Interestingly, when the motor began spinning the pilaster lights came on > and two amp tubes that appeared dead > suddenly sprang to life! > > I have an old manual and tried to understand the principle of operation but > after several wines the 1940-ish prose merely bounced off my head. > > I seem to recall someone posting some vids, either on YouTube or elsewhere > showing the operation of this Seeburg mech. > > Anyone out there remember that too or know where to find them? I'd love to > see a properly operating mech go through its paces as a point of reference. > Also, if you know how to manually get the trays back into non-playing > position, I'd appreciate some guidance. > > TIA if anyone can help. > > Bob - Chicago > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From bmet09 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 1 09:54:34 2010 From: bmet09 at yahoo.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Fri Jan 1 09:56:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited Message-ID: <219232.82256.qm@web112512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Happy New Year to all! I have a 45 rpm record that has a shallow warp over 1/3 of the record. It causes my tone arm to act like a pogo stick. I used a hair dryer to slowly heat the area of the warp while putting pressure on the edge of the warp. It helped! However, I still have a shallow warp. The record plays but I would like to finish the job. How do you fix a warp like this? I have learned that a serious warp (bubble) cannot be corrected. I have tried. One problem is that the bubble has hardened and it will crack very easily. The only recourse is to buy a replacement. I have found that the jukebox tone arms are less forgiving of warps and groove damage than my stand-alone turntables. One help for damaged grooves (which I learned years ago), is to use a wax pencil to fill the damaged groove. Then, wipe the area with a non-linting cloth to remove excess wax. This works fairly well; especially with my other turntables. One turntable has an USB output, so I can record the selection on the record before it becomes trash. Now that I have made my comments, I would like to hear from you. Dick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 1 10:07:35 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Fri Jan 1 10:09:17 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] It's a Happy New Year! Message-ID: <162729.76017.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It is truly a happy new year for me. I was dinking around with my Trashcan on new years eve afternoon and got the mech to cycle! Yeah! Turns out one of the thin record tray inserts got jammed between two of the trays. It was hard to see that it was a tray causing the problem. I didn't see it until I broke out my shop-light and shined more light on the situation. So, I took out a small mallet and screwdriver and tapped it back into place and hand-cranked the motor (using Jackie's off-list method) to slowly put the trays in the home position. Then, I hit the mech switch near the tone arm and away she went. I was able to get each tray to pull out and even played a few of the 78s that were left in their trays by the previous owner. I should also mention that prior to all of this I spent about an hour RTFMing to get a sense of what the principle of operations are. I don't think I'd have gotten as far as I did if I did not RTFM. This is the first hurdle overcome in getting this jewel fully operational. The next thing I need to tackle is the failure of the tone arm to swing out over the 78 when it puts a disc in playing position. Again, RTFM may reveal what is wrong with the tone arm linkage. After that I need to see why the selection panel is a) not lighting up b) not taking credits. Perhaps it's because every coin I drop into the chute goes straight through without registering credits. I'm able to get the mech to cycle by manually tripping the upper leaf switch on the front of the mech. It's pot-luck as to which tray comes out using this technique but at least it's cycling! Thanks to all who have been helping out on and off list. I am grateful to have such good company and good friends on this list. You are a wonderful community! Bob - Chicago From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 1 10:08:21 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Fri Jan 1 10:10:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mech video Message-ID: <965772.76841.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh yes! Please post a video and, if you have the time, the recipe for making one of these animation units. Some previous owner put a home-brew stationary color thing in the bottom and top of my Trashcan door. It looks pretty but hey, I'm into glitz! I'd rather have something that changes colors. Thanks for the offer Indeed, I now know the where the light switches are now. They are so out of sight I completely did not see them down there. Thanks to Jackie for 'splaining this to me. jyount wrote: >The switch on the back has one position for the side lights to stay lit whenever the machine is on and another to make them come on when a selection has been made. >As far as the mech for the lower door, I have put in a device that works quite well and changes the colors of the front door reflective area to Blue, Green, Gold and Red. >Works quite well actually and was surprisingly simple to to rig up. >Could make a video if anyone is interested. From jay at west.net Fri Jan 1 10:57:09 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jan 1 10:58:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] It's a Happy New Year! In-Reply-To: <162729.76017.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <162729.76017.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B3E4585.4010402@west.net> NotarySojac wrote: > It is truly a happy new year for me. > > I was dinking around with my Trashcan on new years eve afternoon and got the mech to cycle! Yeah! You don't have to do that. Trashcans play 10-inch 78s with small spindle holes. No need to dink. :-) > After that I need to see why the selection panel is a) not lighting up b) not taking credits. Perhaps it's because every coin I drop into the chute goes straight through without registering credits. I'm able to get the mech to cycle by manually tripping the upper leaf switch on the front of the mech. It's pot-luck as to which tray comes out using this technique but at least it's cycling! This may have changed by the trashcan era but the early Seeburgs used a light bulb on the control box as a current limiter for the coin switch/solenoid. No credit if the bulb is missing or burned out. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 1 13:51:15 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Fri Jan 1 13:52:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] It's a Happy New Year! Message-ID: <466576.48408.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jay wrote: >You don't have to do that. Trashcans play 10-inch 78s with small >spindle holes. No need to dink. :-) Narf! Narf! Jay, I was doing that other kind of dinking. The kind that annoys my wife! I could never dink a 45, incidentally. Oh, the horror! >This may have changed by the trashcan era but the early Seeburgs used a >light bulb on the control box as a current limiter for the coin >switch/solenoid. No credit if the bulb is missing or burned out. I think I have a bigger problem with the selector. I seem to be missing several (i.e. ALL) tubes in the MSR1-L6 Master Selection Receiver. All of the fuses in it check out as do all of the bulbs in the selection panel. I'll order a set and try them out to see if that solves the selector issue. I solved the tone arm issue. It was a case of not knowing how the beast works. I had the arm on the "lock" position instead of the lower play position. DOH! In a separate posting I will raise some questions regarding the coin grinder. I am suspicious that some parts of it may be missing. Later for that. Gotta put my tools away and shut off the box. Must be off to make merry this evening. I hope you do too! Bob - Chicago From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 14:09:57 2010 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Jan 1 14:17:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Africa calling in Message-ID: <3154d3691001011409vc4d0fd9v7aadb014e6c7eca6@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys not a jukebox in sight but great 4wd in the desert here I'll get back with ya Dave B.when I get home Some thoughts Packards are wonderful jukeboxes both for looks and sound. The bad rap they had among operators together with Aireons a Wurly 1500s shouldn't mean a thing for a collector or jukebox fan today since it is not a problem keeping one or two going in the basement. We're not talking 'bout a route with 100+ machines being played around the clock by drunken patrons. Their oddness should really work the other way around, pumping their value, just as with 'exotic' cars or rare art. On the Packards you need to clean and lube the rails the record rack runs on or the slip clutch won't pull the record into position and the take-out arm will catch the divider and the mech will stall and the cam will get bent and - - and - - and from there on it is downwards all the way. Occasionally the arm will free itself flinging the record hitting the other wall and things will get bent and destroy every record in the rack. So just keep the mech in good shape and it will run like a Seeburq. And a lot more fun to watch. Count the light bulbs in a Manhattan and it is easy to figure out why operators opted for M100A instead. I lost a bewtiful Plamor and five Manhattans ranging from mint to parts machine in a fire, really miss those guys. If I were robbed of a nice original Wurlitzer 430 wallspeaker with original glass pilasters I wouldn't be able to sleep at night, since those break so easy. Horrible thing to happen to anyone! Hope your coming decade will be great- Jens (in Morocco heading south) On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:00 PM, wrote: > Send Jukebox-list m > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > End of Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1 > ******************************************* > From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Fri Jan 1 14:19:05 2010 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Fri Jan 1 14:20:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] It's a Happy New Year! References: <466576.48408.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50C45BB372694598BE5C3920C0DFB8D1@Graeme> Is "dinking" when you have been drinking and begin to slur your words. Happy New Year. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:51 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] It's a Happy New Year! > > Jay wrote: > >>You don't have to do that. Trashcans play 10-inch 78s with small >>spindle holes. No need to dink. :-) > > Narf! Narf! > Jay, I was doing that other kind of dinking. The kind that annoys my wife! > I could never dink a 45, incidentally. Oh, the horror! > > >>This may have changed by the trashcan era but the early Seeburgs used a >>light bulb on the control box as a current limiter for the coin >>switch/solenoid. No credit if the bulb is missing or burned out. > > I think I have a bigger problem with the selector. > I seem to be missing several (i.e. ALL) tubes in the MSR1-L6 Master > Selection Receiver. > > All of the fuses in it check out as do all of the bulbs in the selection > panel. > I'll order a set and try them out to see if that solves the selector > issue. > > I solved the tone arm issue. It was a case of not knowing how the beast > works. > I had the arm on the "lock" position instead of the lower play position. > DOH! > > In a separate posting I will raise some questions regarding the coin > grinder. > I am suspicious that some parts of it may be missing. Later for that. > > Gotta put my tools away and shut off the box. Must be off to make merry > this evening. > I hope you do too! > > Bob - Chicago > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From webmaster at guestwho.com Fri Jan 1 14:24:35 2010 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Fri Jan 1 14:26:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) In-Reply-To: <219232.82256.qm@web112512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <219232.82256.qm@web112512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dick (and anyone else that owns a USB turntable), How do you find the sound from your USB turntable ? I just got one for xmas, and it has terrible clipping! It's like you're playing at max volume to the point that it distorts! The waveform (or whatever you call it) is almost like a rectangle - the peaks are very badly clipped. I tried turning down the input volume via the computer and via the audacity software itself - but all I get is the same level of clipping and distortion at a lower volume (waveform looks like a skinny rectangle instead of a fat one, still no peaks). I've yet to try the line-level RCA outputs (it has builtin preamp and RIAA equalizer), hoping this will produce a cleaner result though. This brings another question - why didn't all turntables include RIAA and preamp ? I'm guessing it's coz there was no room to put vacuum tubes inside a turntable ? (Phono RCA is straight from the cartridge right?) One last question - is it possible to get consumer grade turntables with magnetic carts and diamond stylus ? (usb turntable has irremovable ceramic cart, and metal (brass? steel?) stylus) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Habegger" To: Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:54 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited > Happy New Year to all! > > I have a 45 rpm record that has a shallow warp over 1/3 of the record. It > causes my tone arm to act like a pogo stick. > I used a hair dryer to slowly heat the area of the warp while putting > pressure on the edge of the warp. It helped! > However, I still have a shallow warp. The record plays but I would like to > finish the job. > > How do you fix a warp like this? > > I have learned that a serious warp (bubble) cannot be corrected. I have > tried. > One problem is that the bubble has hardened and it will crack very easily. > The only recourse is to buy a replacement. > I have found that the jukebox tone arms are less forgiving of warps and > groove damage than my stand-alone turntables. > > One help for damaged grooves (which I learned years ago), is to use a wax > pencil to fill the damaged groove. > Then, wipe the area with a non-linting cloth to remove excess wax. This > works fairly well; especially with my other turntables. > One turntable has an USB output, so I can record the selection on the > record before it becomes trash. > > Now that I have made my comments, I would like to hear from you. > > Dick Habegger > Phelan, CA > [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to > forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 1 14:51:21 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 1 14:53:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) Message-ID: <20100101.175121.8379.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Chris: There are high quality USB turntables available that include magnetic cartridges (Audio technica AT3400 seems to be the favorite) and onboard preamps with level control adjustments. These are usually not too expensive,either. A USB turntable with a ceramic cartridge will have an onboard line amp stage, usually with the digital conversion electronics--do you have level adjust pots there? Do you have audio aux-level outs on your TT? Try connecting these to an audio aux input of a stereo amp and see if the audio quality is decent. If the sound is good here, the fault lies in the analog to conversion circuits. New product warranty? Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=K4mKePnHMo1DIRAZc4yIzwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com Fri Jan 1 14:56:22 2010 From: mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com (mark bowman) Date: Fri Jan 1 14:58:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 In-Reply-To: <5FC94A8C98EC43F5AE3508D3ADE38088@ownerbob1> References: <5FC94A8C98EC43F5AE3508D3ADE38088@ownerbob1> Message-ID: <709E51AFD46B4DF8934224A6854C498B@MarkPC> Hi Bob, UK voltage was chnnged by stealth about 8 years ago the european standard was 220VAC 50 Hz and the UK 240VAC 50 Hz. In order to harmonise the the voltage within the EU for reasons of interoprability and thus competion for electrical manufacturing, thew standard voltage is now 230VAC through out the EU, keep the transformer set on 230! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Ford" To: Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 Just acquired one of these. Any help would be appreciated. I noticed that there's a switch to change the voltage from 220v to 230v. As the Uk voltage is generally around 240v, +/- 6% should I keep it on 230, or could it heve been put on 220v as it was when I got it, as a modification had been made when it was imported into this country? Also it says in the flyer that the bottom front grill can be removed for cleaning. Any ideas on how this comes out? There's nothing in the manual. Many thanks _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jan 1 15:02:12 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jan 1 15:03:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited In-Reply-To: <219232.82256.qm@web112512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <721933.51715.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dick, What brand jukebox are you attemping to play it on ? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Dick Habegger wrote: From: Dick Habegger Subject: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 9:54 AM Happy New Year to all! I have a 45 rpm record that has a shallow warp over 1/3 of the record. It causes my tone arm to act like a pogo stick. I used a hair dryer to slowly heat the area of the warp while putting pressure on the edge of the warp. It helped! However, I still have a shallow warp. The record plays but I would like to finish the job. How do you fix a warp like this? I have learned that a serious warp (bubble) cannot be corrected. I have tried. One problem is that the bubble has hardened and it will crack very easily. The only recourse is to buy a replacement. I have found that the jukebox tone arms are less forgiving of warps and groove damage than my stand-alone turntables. One help for damaged grooves (which I learned years ago), is to use a wax pencil to fill the damaged groove. Then, wipe the area with a non-linting cloth to remove excess wax. This works fairly well; especially with my other turntables. One turntable has an USB output, so I can record the selection on the record before it becomes trash. Now that I have made my comments, I would like to hear from you. Dick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jan 1 15:08:21 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jan 1 15:09:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] It's a Happy New Year! In-Reply-To: <466576.48408.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <202977.89711.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, Save your $$$$--don't need no stinkin tubes (unless you want the "wireless" portion to work)!!--More? RTFM is needed !! Ron Rich --- On Fri, 1/1/10, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] It's a Happy New Year! To: "Jukebox List" Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 1:51 PM Jay wrote: >You don't have to do that.? Trashcans play 10-inch 78s with small >spindle holes.? No need to dink.? :-) Narf! Narf! Jay, I was doing that other kind of dinking. The kind that annoys my wife! I could never dink a 45, incidentally. Oh, the horror! >This may have changed by the trashcan era but the early Seeburgs used a >light bulb on the control box as a current limiter for the coin >switch/solenoid.? No credit if the bulb is missing or burned out. I think I have a bigger problem with the selector. I seem to be missing several (i.e. ALL) tubes in the MSR1-L6 Master Selection Receiver. All of the fuses in it check out as do all of the bulbs in the selection panel. I'll order a set and try them out to see if that solves the selector issue. I solved the tone arm issue. It was a case of not knowing how the beast works. I had the arm on the "lock" position instead of the lower play position. DOH! In a separate posting I will raise some questions regarding the coin grinder. I am suspicious that some parts of it may be missing. Later for that. Gotta put my tools away and shut off the box. Must be off to make merry this evening. I hope you do too! Bob - Chicago _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com Fri Jan 1 15:10:30 2010 From: mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com (mark bowman) Date: Fri Jan 1 15:12:22 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Packard Manhattan video on youtube In-Reply-To: <20091231.025439.29468.4@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091231.025439.29468.4@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Thank you James and all others that have sent words of encouragement with regards to my Manhattan machine, your advice has been greatly received, James im replacing that cathode cap to see if it sorts out the surging volume, will then get stuck in to the mechanical side of things, by making sure the tone arm clears the record ring. I wish you all the very best for the new year. Regards Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Packard Manhattan video on youtube Gentlemen: It was interesting to see a working Packard mechanism on YouTube---Thank You, Mark Bowman for taking the time to post that. I've seen a (nicely restored) Packard Manhattan jukebox lit up, but not working. It is an impressive,rich- looking cabinet style. The negative buzz I heard about Packard and Aerion mechanisms both had a reputation as record breakers. Supposedly, they are difficult to keep in proper adjustment. Packard is supposed to have had a lot of success selling their small-size 24-select wallboxes and remote speakers as used in hide away systems during the 40's. They sold more of these than their complete jukeboxes. The Packard wall boxes could be used with Wurlitzer 24-play 78 mechanisms. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=PSxnRko46EbuFtU8WEMp2gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Jan 1 15:25:01 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Jan 1 15:26:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <989139.35998.qm@web112114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Chris Ralph wrote: USB turntables are sort of a toy product. That doesn't mean that they can't be enjoyable for casual listening, but you're better off buying a "real" turntable with a decent magnetic cartridge and a preamp with RIAA equalization built in, and plugging that into the sound card of your computer. If you can find some kind of trim adjustment, that might bring the level down so it does not clip, but since the turntable and electronics are sold as a "package" one would expect that calibration was done at the factory. You should probably return it. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Jan 1 15:28:15 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Jan 1 15:29:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Africa calling in In-Reply-To: <3154d3691001011409vc4d0fd9v7aadb014e6c7eca6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <127146.65090.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Jens Hultgren wrote: > Packards are wonderful jukeboxes both for looks and sound. > The bad rap they > had among operators together with Aireons a Wurly 1500s > shouldn't mean a > thing for a collector or jukebox fan today since it is not > a problem keeping one or two going in the basement. I'm glad to hear that. I've never owned one, and I'd love to have one because from the photos I've seen they're beautiful. The horror stories I've heard are probably a result of neglect on the part of the owner. I'd like to have a Wurlitzer 1500, too. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 1 16:21:38 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 1 16:25:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) Message-ID: <20100101.192138.4324.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Granted some of the USB turntable products offered out there are not very good. If you'd rather buy the integrated package, there are some good quality ones offered by audio component makers like Teac and Audio Technica. If you already have an analog turntable component, it makes more sense to buy the computer sound card. I think Teac and Crosley both have all-in-one models, where one of their retro phonographs (with amp/spkrs) and a CD recorder-player have USB output ports. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=kQkosG20eT-_i3Pchz-CCQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From pjohnson at physics.wustl.edu Fri Jan 1 16:06:44 2010 From: pjohnson at physics.wustl.edu (Patrick Johnson) Date: Fri Jan 1 16:29:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Americana II does everything except plays Message-ID: <7dfd054f1001011606q1c834ad5xc9099628b39a0329@mail.gmail.com> I have an Wurlitzer Americana II that is capable of finding the record, loading the record, and spinning, but it seems to decide that the record is over and returns it to its place within a second or two. We currently have 7-inch 45s loaded into it, and if any more information is needed, please let me know. Patrick From joe400f at shaw.ca Fri Jan 1 16:33:04 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Fri Jan 1 16:34:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox World Message-ID: <007401ca8b43$26059450$48944e18@compaq> I just wanted to post a comment about Jukebox World in germany. I ordered some parts for my Rockola 1468. Parts included a top diffuser, grill emblem, top selection buttons with inserts, grill V, lower glass diffuser and many other parts. I have to say that the quality, packaging and service is great. Oliver and Hildegard sell a real quality product. There are many reproduced Rockola and AMI parts available from them. One real nice item for the Seeburg nuts like myself, is a Seeburg " HI FI Magnetic " decal for the mono redhead cartridge. It adds a real nice finish detail to a Jukebox. I know they are members of this forum so I hope they read this. Joey McDonald in Canada From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 1 16:34:02 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 1 16:34:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Packard Manhattan video on youtube Message-ID: <20100101.193402.4324.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Mark: You are dealing with two independent problems. Fixing the amp will solve your volume-related problems. The record changer fault is happening on it's own. I've seen a number of amp rebuilders, that take the position that the can mounted filter caps do not go bad with age. They then proceed to replace only the individual caps below the chassis. They are wrong--the can types do go bad and need to be replaced. Most capacitor makers stopped bulding these a long time ago. What most people do for appearance's sake is to leave the can capacitor mounted to the chassis, with new individual caps installed below. If you are not sure you can try installing a new cap in the circuit temporarily. As you fully described all details of your amp problem across several emails, I'm quite confident you'll find that the problem lies with this cathode bypass capacitor, a defective 6V6 tube, or both. Good luck in your repair, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Home Improvement Projects Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=JrZF_T1oIIrG-pW3b0_opAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAShAAAAAA= From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Jan 1 17:43:20 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Jan 1 17:44:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) In-Reply-To: <20091231200005.1485AAAF7E@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20091231200005.1485AAAF7E@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Hello. Your USB turntable did NOT come with any kind of metal stylus. It's probably sapphire. They haven't done that since the 1950s. ANY good quality turntable with a magnetic cartridge can be connected to virtually ANY sound card via a 1/8" stereo jack on the back of your computer and a simple pre amp. These USB turntables are a gimick for the novice and are usually of low quality. if you can't find a $20 pre amp, get a used Radio Shack small DJ mixer. They all have magnetic inputs on them and line level output. Instant pre amps for $15. I've been making audiophile quality .wav files from my records for 8 or 9 years with an old Roxio program. Since you're using a USB port, the audio properties will not work on it. They control the sound card. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Jan 1 17:52:23 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Jan 1 17:54:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer Americana II does everything except plays Message-ID: I have a 3100 and a 3200. The 3200 is in my office and played daily. What's happening is most likely the end of record switch is hung up. The machine then thinks the record is over. The end of record switch behind the back of the tonearm may not be (probably is not) resetting. It has a little return limiter on it so that the tonearm isn't pushed backwards near the end of the record. It should hold the switch's trip wire JUST near the point of clicking. Try clicking the wire up and down a few times with your finger. You'll be able to hear the microswitch click internally. This often resets it, especially if the adjustment is a little too near the click point of the switch. The switch will be located behind the vertical wall the toneam is mounted to, near the base of the tonearm. If this continues to be a problem, rather than try to readjust this limiter via loosening the screws, you can try bending the trip wire down ever so slightly, just a little tweak. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 1 19:06:44 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 1 19:08:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer Americana II does everything except p lays Message-ID: <20100101.220644.27593.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Another thing to look for, along with the tone arm trip-out switch is for a smashed, shorted or damaged rear panel reject switch. There are also terminals on the amplifier to hookup a wired remote volume ctrl-reject switch. Sometimes when a juke was removed from a commercial location, these wires got snipped. A short ckt here would cause this condition. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=OianXpxM-EuQve3LNUE9vwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 1 19:41:01 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 1 19:44:08 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited Message-ID: <20100101.224101.27593.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Hello Dick: Whenever the subject of repairing warped vinyl records has come up, the general consensus is they cannot be fixed. In the process of trying, (applying heat,etc) one generally creates new troubles.. I'd put my effort into trying to find another copy. Since you're considering putting effort into repairing the damaged disc, I'm assuming that this record is cherished, and not readily available. Tracking a through a large bubble in a groove surface is a challenge for any stylus and tone arm. It's a logical conclusion that a correctly designed component turntable arm would be more nimble than a jukebox changer arm would be. >From past correspondence I remember you saying that you have a 70's Rowe and an 80's RockOla jukes at home. Given that choice, I'd say the RockOLa tone arm would probably perform best on the basis of brute strength. The Rowe unit uses a counterweighted arm. The RO is a simple hinged design. Some jukebox changers do not handle warped records well without damaging them. The 80's RO employs a warped record sensor that can shut down changer operation, like the Seeburg mechanisms have had for years.. I don't believe the Rowe has any warped record protective circuitry. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=4axRfpS_8l6NS716T--N7gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 1 21:26:48 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 1 21:30:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Abused Princesses (Rockola 1493) Thermistors, pinba nk pins Message-ID: <20100102.002648.21536.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Hello, Jay: It sounds as if you have a lot of exposure to the Rockola stereo tube amps of early 60's vintage. Personally, I can count about a dozen of these 6973-output amps that I've rebuilt over the last 12 or so years. None were the 1493 purple Princess model. It seems that RO made many subtle design changes to this amp in all the years they produced it. I know that some later versions used 6BQ5 and 7868 power output tubes instead of the 6973's. I'm sure we can both compare service and parts minutae needed to keep the amps going. It's my understanding that RockOla jukeboxes (when new) had heavy distribution and a strong market presence in southern Ca.,where you're located. They were not that prevalent here in Ga. There is a presence of 50's-era Rock's here,however. Here, there is one large long-established coin-op distributor that holds the distribution franchises for both RockOla and Rowe. The backstory is that the RO line is(was?) not promoted by the distributor for purchase by operators. The distributor promotes the Rowe-AMI product heavily and parts-supports it strongly. Rowe jukes are commonly found in here, both in commercial and home use. I'm working under the assumption that most potential home jukebox buyers will first buy a product locally from an operator instead of shipping something in. Maybe the advent of EBay changed that. In general, the RO units I serviced came as service calls from juke owners who bought machines in as-is running condition from other private owners or operators. A common trait I noticed is that these amps don't have the broad freq. response and distortion-free sound character that same-year Wurlitzer, Seeburg and Rowe amps had. The sound quality was passable, but doesn't earn honorable mention. The machines seem durable and keep running, possibly due to the simpler circuitry (less to go wrong?) In the 70's RO's transistorized amp designs quickly caught up with the competition,performancewise. IMHO RO had one of the strongest sound designs in the 90's compared to the others. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Home Improvement Projects Make your dream home a reality. Click here to find all your home improvement needs! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=tC1bUobTFokDhG21GE310QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAShAAAAAA= From DDEDIC at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Jan 1 22:31:25 2010 From: DDEDIC at EARTHLINK.NET (DALE DEDIC) Date: Fri Jan 1 22:58:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Americana II does everything except plays In-Reply-To: <7dfd054f1001011606q1c834ad5xc9099628b39a0329@mail.gmail.com> References: <7dfd054f1001011606q1c834ad5xc9099628b39a0329@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9CA5A72672E74DE49D6259B189F37276@DedicPC> I had one of these that the reject switch on the back would stick "on" and this would happen. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Johnson" To: Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Americana II does everything except plays >I have an Wurlitzer Americana II that is capable of finding the record, > loading the record, and spinning, but it seems to decide that the record > is > over and returns it to its place within a second or two. We currently > have > 7-inch 45s loaded into it, and if any more information is needed, please > let > me know. > > Patrick > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From g.hrmn at verizon.net Sat Jan 2 05:35:39 2010 From: g.hrmn at verizon.net (g.hrmn) Date: Sat Jan 2 06:39:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism Guide In-Reply-To: <607468.80249.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <607468.80249.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201001020835.39678.g.hrmn@verizon.net> Love your book Ron. It's great! Got it at alwaysjukin. On Monday 21 December 2009 12:45:43 pm Ron Rich wrote: > I have not been able to contact Tony's wife for the last 3 months either--I > HOPE she, and his boy's are "all-right" and just overwhelmed with his > death, at the moment. If anyone's been in touch with them, please let me > know at ronnnrich@yahoo.com . As far as his books--www.alwaysjukin.com > still has some in stock. > Thanks, Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 12/21/09, g.hymn wrote: > > From: g.hrmn > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism Guide > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 8:32 AM > > I'm trying to reach Tony Millers site on pacbell. Anyone know if they are > still selling the books? > Thanks > > On Saturday 19 December 2009 07:10:30 pm Joey McDonald wrote: > > Ron, > > > > I just read a post and you mentioned that your " Seeburg Mechanism Guide > > " is " soon to be out of print " .? Is there another book in the works? > > > > The person that posted questions about there newly aquired Seeburg DS 160 > > should not hesitate and buy Ron's book. > > > > PS BUY RON"S BOOK. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 09:12:52 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 2 09:14:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox World In-Reply-To: <007401ca8b43$26059450$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: <147133.7872.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Joey, and all, That's a real nice "touch"--I peeled the sticker off one original, and stuck in on the Pickering 34D that I use on my commercial run Seeburg M100B about ten yeas ago--It fits nicely. And as far as the Stamann's are concerned, I have never done business with nicer people ! ( 'course MOST of the people in this biz ARE nice !)? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox World To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 4:33 PM I just wanted to post a comment about Jukebox World in germany. I ordered some parts for my Rockola 1468.? Parts included a top diffuser, grill emblem, top selection buttons with inserts, grill V, lower glass diffuser and many other parts. I have to say that the quality, packaging and service is great.? Oliver and Hildegard sell a real quality product. There are many reproduced Rockola and AMI parts available from them. One real nice item for the Seeburg nuts like myself, is a Seeburg " HI FI Magnetic " decal for the mono redhead cartridge.? It adds a real nice finish detail to a Jukebox. I know they are members of this forum so I hope they read this. Joey McDonald in Canada _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From steve.lane at dishmail.net Sat Jan 2 09:11:18 2010 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Sat Jan 2 09:20:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Americana II does everything except plays In-Reply-To: <9CA5A72672E74DE49D6259B189F37276@DedicPC> References: <7dfd054f1001011606q1c834ad5xc9099628b39a0329@mail.gmail.com> <9CA5A72672E74DE49D6259B189F37276@DedicPC> Message-ID: <61088cf91001020911m679f88d7s21839ec34fd7ba84@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I just went through my 3500 Zodiac and had to replace switches and make adjustments. One of the first problems that I ran in to was the problem that you are describing. I adjusted the switch on the record changer arm (located at the base of the arm) and it fixed the problem. For me, this was only one of several problems that I encountered on this machine. It had not been used in years and many switches needed to be replaced. I found the service manual to be essential to performing the diagnostics. The sequence of operations were the most helpful for me. The people on this site filled in the gaps and all is well with my jukebox now. Good luck with yours. Steve On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:31 PM, DALE DEDIC wrote: > I had one of these that the reject switch on the back would stick "on" and > this would happen. > Dale > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Johnson" < > pjohnson@physics.wustl.edu> > To: > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:06 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Americana II does everything except plays > > > I have an Wurlitzer Americana II that is capable of finding the record, >> loading the record, and spinning, but it seems to decide that the record >> is >> over and returns it to its place within a second or two. We currently >> have >> 7-inch 45s loaded into it, and if any more information is needed, please >> let >> me know. >> >> Patrick >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 10:25:45 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 2 10:27:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism Guide In-Reply-To: <201001020835.39678.g.hrmn@verizon.net> Message-ID: <429957.59336.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks for buying it--hope it helps ! Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/2/10, g.hrmn wrote: From: g.hrmn Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism Guide To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 5:35 AM Love your book Ron. It's great! Got it at alwaysjukin. On Monday 21 December 2009 12:45:43 pm Ron Rich wrote: > I have not been able to contact Tony's wife for the last 3 months either--I > HOPE she, and his boy's are "all-right" and just overwhelmed with his > death, at the moment. If anyone's been in touch with them, please let me > know at ronnnrich@yahoo.com . As far as his books--www.alwaysjukin.com > still has some in stock. > Thanks, Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 12/21/09, g.hymn wrote: > > From: g.hrmn > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism Guide > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 8:32 AM > > I'm trying to reach Tony Millers site on pacbell. Anyone know if they are > still selling the books? > Thanks > > On Saturday 19 December 2009 07:10:30 pm Joey McDonald wrote: > > Ron, > > > > I just read a post and you mentioned that your " Seeburg Mechanism Guide > > " is " soon to be out of print " .? Is there another book in the works? > > > > The person that posted questions about there newly aquired Seeburg DS 160 > > should not hesitate and buy Ron's book. > > > > PS BUY RON"S BOOK. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 10:41:58 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jan 2 10:43:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited In-Reply-To: <219232.82256.qm@web112512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <270638.53577.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Dick Habegger wrote: > I have a 45 rpm record that has a shallow warp over 1/3 of > the record. It causes my tone arm to act like a pogo stick. > I used a hair dryer to slowly heat the area of the warp > while putting pressure on the edge of the warp. It helped! > However, I still have a shallow warp. The record plays but > I would like to finish the job. > > How do you fix a warp like this? You really can't with a vinyl record. Shellac disks can be flattened, because shellac tends to simply bend when overheated. However, vinyl tends to expand, and therefore it's not simply a process of pressing to back flat. You actually end up with more surface area than you started out with. It would be like trying to take a stamped steel bowl and press it back into a disk. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 10:53:52 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 2 10:55:33 2010 Subject: Fw: [Jukebox-list] What did you do during the war, Unca J.P.? Message-ID: <489676.98903.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, and All, Way cool thanks--One time in the late '60s'-early 70's when I was wondering around the factory, I went into the "old" unused section of the "old" building, with someone, looking for something ?. They still had THE "spider room" there. It was spooky to see the area they built just to grow/contain black widow spiders. The spider web was the only thing they could come up with as "cross-hairs" for the Norton bomb sight. I was told that the web would stay straight under all conditions of weather, and altitude. They attempted all through the war to find a substitute, but never did.? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Bob Ellingson wrote: From: Bob Ellingson Subject: [Jukebox-list] What did you do during the war, Unca J.P.? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 12:33 PM For those who may not have seen the WWII efforts of the Seeburg Corp., there are a couple nice photos of their bomb-dropping gear at the Antique Radios Forum web site: http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=121661 Scroll down to the fourteenth post in the chat.? I'm not sure if you have to register to view photos, though. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson??? ??? ??? ??? ??? bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc.??? ??? ??? http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St.??? ??? ??? ??? ??? (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051? USA??? ??? ??? (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From valveamp101 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 11:00:38 2010 From: valveamp101 at yahoo.com (Tom G) Date: Sat Jan 2 11:02:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 442 Magazine Not Rotating In-Reply-To: <20091231.112415.24216.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <663962.82624.qm@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I took apart and cleaned the motor and now it works! I still have the same initial problem, when selecting a play, the machine will stop prior to rotating the magazine. However, when I use the switch, I can scan just fine. When I put the switch in operate mode, it automatically selects a play and I have no sound. Not sure what is causing this? I'm going to dig into it now and see what I can find out. Any suggestions? Since it doesn't yet accept a manual selection, is the mute relay still engaged? Thanks!Tom --- On Thu, 12/31/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 442 Magazine Not Rotating To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 10:24 AM Tom: in order to free up and spin the record basket by hand, you will need to loosen the motor mount bolts of the record basket motor from the changer deck, soi the gears are disengaged.? If you can spin the basket freely by hand, your problem may be in the motor assembly.? These motors are designed to be disassembled and repaired.???You'll see that the motor has a small knurled shaft at the rear.???You should be able to turn this freely by hand. Jim Alexander _____________________________ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 11:29:55 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 2 11:31:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SternBurg "DMC" or "VMC" ? Message-ID: <888692.40585.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, My feeble mind ( which controls my "great, but not too long memory") just came up with another question. Was that thing called a "DMC" (Digital Music Centre) as the eBay post says, or the "VMC" (Video Music centre) as Tony remembered it when he wrote that chapter in the book ? (Questions as un-important as this are what Tony and I "threw" at each other all the time !!!--sure miss him !)? Thanks, Ron Rich From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 11:47:25 2010 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sat Jan 2 11:49:06 2010 Subject: Fw: [Jukebox-list] What did you do during the war, Unca J.P.? In-Reply-To: <489676.98903.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <304552.28468.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, That is really amazing. We used to have a lot of black widow spiders in Phoenix. Maybe some areas still do. I could always tell the web of a black widow because it was usually straight runs and very strong compared to other webs. It almost seemed to have a bit of a twang if broken. How they ever thought of using it at Seeburg for such an accurate instrument we will probably never know. I really enjoy going into such strange places, so full of real history. I know a person who works in the salvage of ships. Many are very old US Navy vessels. He has incredible stories such as yours. I am the kind of person who doesn't really mind scratched initials or messages left on a jukebox glass or case, within reason. They are part of a generation gone forever. Thanks for the amazing information! David (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Fw: [Jukebox-list] What did you do during the war, Unca J.P.? > To: bobe@halted.com, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com, seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 11:53 AM > Hi Bob, and All, > Way cool thanks--One time in the late '60s'-early 70's when > I was wondering around the factory, I went into the "old" > unused section of the "old" building, with someone, looking > for something ?. They still had THE "spider room" there. It > was spooky to see the area they built just to grow/contain > black widow spiders. The spider web was the only thing they > could come up with as "cross-hairs" for the Norton bomb > sight. I was told that the web would stay straight under all > conditions of weather, and altitude. They attempted all > through the war to find a substitute, but never did.? Ron > Rich > > --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Bob Ellingson > wrote: > > From: Bob Ellingson > Subject: [Jukebox-list] What did you do during the war, > Unca J.P.? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 12:33 PM > > For those who may not have seen the WWII efforts of the > Seeburg Corp., there > are a couple nice photos of their bomb-dropping gear at the > Antique Radios > Forum web site: > > http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=121661 > > Scroll down to the fourteenth post in the chat.? I'm not > sure if you have to > register to view photos, though. > > --Bob > ======================================================================= > Bob Ellingson??? ??? ??? ??? ??? bobe@halted.com > Halted Specialties Co., Inc.??? ??? ??? http://www.halted.com > 3500 Ryder St.??? ??? ??? ??? ??? (408) > 732-1573 > Santa Clara, Calif. 95051? USA??? ??? ??? (408) > 732-6428 (FAX) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From webmaster at guestwho.com Sat Jan 2 12:18:44 2010 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sat Jan 2 12:20:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) In-Reply-To: <20100101.175121.8379.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100101.175121.8379.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: No pots or dials, but it does have aux output (2x line-level RCA) so I will try it. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) Chris: There are high quality USB turntables available that include magnetic cartridges (Audio technica AT3400 seems to be the favorite) and onboard preamps with level control adjustments. These are usually not too expensive,either. A USB turntable with a ceramic cartridge will have an onboard line amp stage, usually with the digital conversion electronics--do you have level adjust pots there? Do you have audio aux-level outs on your TT? Try connecting these to an audio aux input of a stereo amp and see if the audio quality is decent. If the sound is good here, the fault lies in the analog to conversion circuits. New product warranty? Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=K4mKePnHMo1DIRAZc4yIzwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ccos at knology.net Sat Jan 2 12:53:14 2010 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sat Jan 2 13:01:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SternBurg "DMC" or "VMC" ? In-Reply-To: <888692.40585.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <888692.40585.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A route operator I bought out a few years ago had one which he didn't include in the buyout. It was a VMC. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] SternBurg "DMC" or "VMC" ? Hi All, My feeble mind ( which controls my "great, but not too long memory") just came up with another question. Was that thing called a "DMC" (Digital Music Centre) as the eBay post says, or the "VMC" (Video Music centre) as Tony remembered it when he wrote that chapter in the book ? (Questions as un-important as this are what Tony and I "threw" at each other all the time !!!--sure miss him !) Thanks, Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Sat Jan 2 13:35:39 2010 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David G..) Date: Sat Jan 2 13:43:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] cap value question for a novice Message-ID: <5E342D6EE9194C28806223089394A438@DavidPC> I have a cap kit for a Wurlitzer 546 "B" amp. Included in this kit is an optional version cap (c-31). One marked .1k 250vspi and one marked 2A154K Tracon to replace which ever type is currently installed. According to the Wurlitzer schematic I need a .12mfd Mylar capacitor. I removed a .12mfd capacitor. Any advice on which one to use? I don't have a clue what the 2A154k cap is. I'm leaning towards the .1k, (within 20%??) The kit came from a very reputable source and I have used his kits before. David G... From ascott822 at aol.com Sat Jan 2 13:58:10 2010 From: ascott822 at aol.com (ascott822@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 2 14:00:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ds 100 scans twice and stops Message-ID: <8CC5A0DCF23D425-11A0-7687@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> I'm pulling what little hair I have left out trying to get my DS100 to make a selection. I've replaced most of the caps in the selector and have recapped the pulse amplifier. It passes the L test in the trouble shooting manual (mech trips with jumper) Installed good 12AX7 but still no go. Also applied tips in service notes (page 366) nothin' - scans twice and stops. Any suggestions much appreciated. Allen = From jay at west.net Sat Jan 2 15:08:59 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Jan 2 15:10:37 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] cap value question for a novice In-Reply-To: <5E342D6EE9194C28806223089394A438@DavidPC> References: <5E342D6EE9194C28806223089394A438@DavidPC> Message-ID: <4B3FD20B.7050001@west.net> David G.. wrote: > I have a cap kit for a Wurlitzer 546 "B" amp. Included in this kit is an optional version cap (c-31). One marked .1k 250vspi and one marked 2A154K Tracon > to replace which ever type is currently installed. According to the Wurlitzer schematic I need a .12mfd Mylar capacitor. I removed a .12mfd capacitor. > Any advice on which one to use? I don't have a clue what the 2A154k cap is. I'm leaning towards the .1k, (within 20%??) > The kit came from a very reputable source and I have used his kits before. The 2A154K is very likely 0.15 microfarad, 10% tolerance. Not sure of the significance of the "2A" but 1-5-4 is a standard way of expressing the value of capacitors. The first two digits are the significant figures of the value and the last is the number of zeros to add for the value in picofarads. So, 150000 picofarads = 0.15 microfarads. The letter is a tolerance value. J = +/- 5%, K = +/- 10%. Either is relatively close to the original of 0.12 but neither is exact. Perhaps the original value was factory selected to give a certain response or characteristic? If the original is listed as a "Mylar" capacitor and in fact is a Mylar type, there is very likely nothing wrong with it. Mylar is a DuPont trademark for polyethylene plastic film. This was first used in capacitors in the 1960s and 1970s to replace the waxed paper dielectric commonly used earlier. The replacements included in the kit are likely also polyethylene film. Mylar capacitors don't deteriorate like the earlier paper type and as a rule don't warrant a wholesale change-out when rebuilding an amplifier. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Sat Jan 2 15:12:22 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Jan 2 15:14:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ds 100 scans twice and stops In-Reply-To: <8CC5A0DCF23D425-11A0-7687@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5A0DCF23D425-11A0-7687@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B3FD2D6.2000701@west.net> ascott822@aol.com wrote: > I'm pulling what little hair I have left out trying to get my DS100 to make a selection. > I've replaced most of the caps in the selector and have recapped the pulse amplifier. > It passes the L test in the trouble shooting manual (mech trips with jumper) Installed good 12AX7 > but still no go. Also applied tips in service notes (page 366) nothin' - scans twice and stops. > Any suggestions much appreciated. Allen Take a look here: http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera/symptom_3.htm Excellent notes from the expert. He's gone but fortunately the web page isn't. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From carbide2chips at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 15:08:46 2010 From: carbide2chips at yahoo.com (Scott Sukopp) Date: Sat Jan 2 15:17:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ds 100 scans twice and stops In-Reply-To: <8CC5A0DCF23D425-11A0-7687@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <51142.19790.qm@web110008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Check the 2050 tube. Scott --- On Sat, 1/2/10, ascott822@aol.com wrote: From: ascott822@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] ds 100 scans twice and stops To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 3:58 PM I'm pulling what little hair I have left out trying to get my DS100 to make a selection. I've replaced most of the caps in the selector and have recapped the pulse amplifier. It passes the L test in the trouble shooting manual (mech trips with jumper) Installed good 12AX7 but still no go. Also applied tips in service notes (page 366) nothin' - scans twice and stops. Any suggestions much appreciated.? Allen = _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jan 2 15:28:52 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jan 2 15:32:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 442 Magazine Not Rotating Message-ID: <20100102.182852.28877.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Tom: It sounds like you have more than one problem happening there. RE: The selection problem: The way I'm interpreting your description, you can write in a selection, and the write in solenoids will search and find the pin, and trigger it open. At that point the mwechanism is supposed to begin a search, but it doesn't. However if you push the run/scan switch to scan, then back to operate the mech will stop, and play the selection with no sound. When the record is finished, it is rejected and lput back. The mech should resume it's search mode until it has made 4 complete revolutions, then stops, correct? There is a wobble switch at one end of the pin bank. As you stand looking at the right side panel of the juke, this microswitch should be at the "4 o'clock" position on the pinbank. This switch is either not engaging mechanically or the switch has failed. There should be some latitude for mechanical adjustment of the switch trigger. RE: the no sound problem If you are having the mech stop, find a selected record, pull and play it while the mode switch is in the scan mode, this should mute the audio relay, and youlll hear no sound. If the switch is in the run mode, audio should be heard. Check amplifier for .blown fuse and replace with the same value if needed. Make sure volume control on the back panel is not turned down. Unplug the muting relay from the amp socket during play. Can you hear sound now? If no,this indicates that you have a failure of the solid state amp. It will need to be serviced. If yes, this indicates that the mute circuit is not being opened in the play cycle. Thee is a step by step description of the running mode of the changer in your service manual. Try the troubleshooting tests listed for "no sound" and see if you can determine what is holding the mute switch circuit closed. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=rr2km_zVKahyn4KY51kriwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Sat Jan 2 15:32:18 2010 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David G..) Date: Sat Jan 2 15:42:22 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] cap value question for a novice In-Reply-To: <4B3FD20B.7050001@west.net> References: <5E342D6EE9194C28806223089394A438@DavidPC> <4B3FD20B.7050001@west.net> Message-ID: <55A9788EC81D4F9794A13F5D09DF1BFB@DavidPC> Thanks for the info! > David G.. wrote: >> I have a cap kit for a Wurlitzer 546 "B" amp. Included in this kit is an >> optional version cap (c-31). One marked .1k 250vspi and one marked 2A154K >> Tracon >> to replace which ever type is currently installed. According to the >> Wurlitzer schematic I need a .12mfd Mylar capacitor. I removed a .12mfd >> capacitor. >> Any advice on which one to use? I don't have a clue what the 2A154k cap >> is. I'm leaning towards the .1k, (within 20%??) >> The kit came from a very reputable source and I have used his kits >> before. > > The 2A154K is very likely 0.15 microfarad, 10% tolerance. Not sure of the > significance of the "2A" but 1-5-4 is a standard way of expressing the > value of capacitors. The first two digits are the significant figures of > the value and the last is the number of zeros to add for the value in > picofarads. So, 150000 picofarads = 0.15 microfarads. The letter is a > tolerance value. J = +/- 5%, K = +/- 10%. > > Either is relatively close to the original of 0.12 but neither is exact. > > Perhaps the original value was factory selected to give a certain response > or characteristic? > > If the original is listed as a "Mylar" capacitor and in fact is a Mylar > type, there is very likely nothing wrong with it. Mylar is a DuPont > trademark for polyethylene plastic film. This was first used in > capacitors in the 1960s and 1970s to replace the waxed paper dielectric > commonly used earlier. The replacements included in the kit are likely > also polyethylene film. Mylar capacitors don't deteriorate like the > earlier paper type and as a rule don't warrant a wholesale change-out when > rebuilding an amplifier. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 19:47:05 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 2 19:48:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ds 100 scans twice and stops In-Reply-To: <8CC5A0DCF23D425-11A0-7687@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <264050.66303.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Allen, Didja measure the resistance in the read out loop--should be 2-3 ohms-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/2/10, ascott822@aol.com wrote: From: ascott822@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] ds 100 scans twice and stops To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 1:58 PM I'm pulling what little hair I have left out trying to get my DS100 to make a selection. I've replaced most of the caps in the selector and have recapped the pulse amplifier. It passes the L test in the trouble shooting manual (mech trips with jumper) Installed good 12AX7 but still no go. Also applied tips in service notes (page 366) nothin' - scans twice and stops. Any suggestions much appreciated.? Allen = _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 19:54:33 2010 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Sat Jan 2 20:01:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Rattle Message-ID: I have a Wurlitzer 2304 (non stereo version) and with songs with any kind of base the speakers rattle. The Amp was redone and no change with the speakers. Yesterday I removed the speaker in preparation to be reconed. Once removed the speakers looked in good condition. They had some dust but, that was it. I tested the speakers outside the jukebox on the floor and they sounded great... probably the best ever. Now they are back into the Jukebox the rattle has returned. I rattle it definitely coming from the speakers not the grill or the box itself. Any thoughts from any one?? Thanks in advance for your input. Carl From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 20:00:33 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 2 20:02:10 2010 Subject: Fw: [Jukebox-list] What did you do during the war, Unca J.P.? In-Reply-To: <304552.28468.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <280213.31091.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave,You are correct--you can hear the "snap" of a widow's web--we have too many of them in our backyard-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/2/10, david wendell wrote: Ron, That is really amazing.? We used to have a lot of black widow spiders in Phoenix.? Maybe some areas still do.? I could always tell the web of a black widow because it was usually straight runs and very strong compared to other webs.? It almost seemed to have a bit of a twang if broken.? How they ever thought of using it at Seeburg for such an accurate instrument we will probably never know. I really enjoy going into such strange places, so full of real history.? I know a person who works in the salvage of ships.? Many are very old US Navy vessels.? He has incredible stories such as yours.? I am the kind of person who doesn't really mind scratched initials or messages left on a jukebox glass or case, within reason.? They are part of a generation gone forever.? Thanks for the amazing information! David (Geritol Ghetto) > From: Ron Rich > Hi Bob, and All, > Way cool thanks--One time in the late '60s'-early 70's when > I was wondering around the factory, I went into the "old" > unused section of the "old" building, with someone, looking > for something ?. They still had THE "spider room" there. It > was spooky to see the area they built just to grow/contain > black widow spiders. The spider web was the only thing they > could come up with as "cross-hairs" for the Norton bomb > sight. I was told that the web would stay straight under all > conditions of weather, and altitude. They attempted all > through the war to find a substitute, but never did.? Ron > Rich > > --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Bob Ellingson > wrote: > > For those who may not have seen the WWII efforts of the > Seeburg Corp., there > are a couple nice photos of their bomb-dropping gear at the > Antique Radios > Forum web site: > > http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=121661 > > Scroll down to the fourteenth post in the chat.? I'm not > sure if you have to > register to view photos, though. > > --Bob > From ejoh100112 at aol.com Sat Jan 2 20:12:56 2010 From: ejoh100112 at aol.com (ejoh100112@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 2 20:21:30 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Rattle Message-ID: <6a9f.49746191.38717348@aol.com> Check the grill cloth itself. Make sure it is not stopped up with junk. I had the same issue on an LPC that was clogged with kitchen grease. Almost never found the problem. Ed From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 20:37:16 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 2 20:38:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Rattle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <446821.33889.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Carl, Assuming that you are correct in saying that the speakers are themselves "rattling", try loosening the mounting screws (or nuts) on one speaker at a time--could it be that the speaker frame(s) is beng distorted ?? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote: From: Carl & Lynne Sullivan Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Rattle To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 7:54 PM I have a Wurlitzer 2304 (non stereo version) and with songs with any kind of base the speakers rattle.???The Amp was redone and no change with the speakers.? Yesterday I removed the speaker in preparation to be reconed. Once removed the speakers looked in good condition.? They had some dust but, that was it.???I tested the speakers outside the jukebox on the floor and they sounded great... probably the best ever.? ? Now they are back into the Jukebox the rattle has returned.???I rattle it definitely coming from the speakers not the grill or the box itself.???Any thoughts from any one?? Thanks in advance for your input. Carl _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 21:03:00 2010 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Sat Jan 2 21:04:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Rattle In-Reply-To: <6a9f.49746191.38717348@aol.com> References: <6a9f.49746191.38717348@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks but, this juke doesn't have any grill cloth. On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:12 PM, wrote: > Check the grill cloth itself. Make sure it is not stopped up with junk. I > had the same issue on an LPC that was clogged with kitchen grease. Almost > never found the problem. > Ed > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 21:04:15 2010 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Sat Jan 2 21:05:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Rattle In-Reply-To: <446821.33889.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <446821.33889.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I will give this a try tomorrow. thanks On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Carl, > Assuming that you are correct in saying that the speakers are themselves > "rattling", try loosening the mounting screws (or nuts) on one speaker at a > time--could it be that the speaker frame(s) is beng distorted ? Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Carl & Lynne Sullivan > wrote: > > From: Carl & Lynne Sullivan > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Rattle > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 7:54 PM > > I have a Wurlitzer 2304 (non stereo version) and with songs with any kind > of > base the speakers rattle. The Amp was redone and no change with the > speakers. Yesterday I removed the speaker in preparation to be reconed. > Once removed the speakers looked in good condition. They had some dust > but, > that was it. I tested the speakers outside the jukebox on the floor and > they sounded great... probably the best ever. Now they are back into the > Jukebox the rattle has returned. I rattle it definitely coming from the > speakers not the grill or the box itself. Any thoughts from any one?? > > Thanks in advance for your input. > > Carl > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Sat Jan 2 22:23:57 2010 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Sat Jan 2 22:25:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Rattle In-Reply-To: <6a9f.49746191.38717348@aol.com> Message-ID: <218118.7314.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi,Try another speaker and see if its still there, if it is check the box itself for wires that aren't loomed and hanging down.?Cheers John --- On Sun, 3/1/10, ejoh100112@aol.com wrote: From: ejoh100112@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Rattle To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 5:12 PM Check the grill cloth itself. Make sure it is not stopped up with junk. I? had the same issue on an LPC that was clogged with kitchen grease. Almost never? found the problem. Ed _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From bmet09 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 23:29:07 2010 From: bmet09 at yahoo.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Sat Jan 2 23:37:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited-resent Message-ID: <886937.21239.qm@web112504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, I have a Rowe-AMI R-74 and a RO 490. Each have similar TT's, so I get the same results. My cousins brought me about 150 45's this Christmas. I am going through them now. I found one broken one and three warped ones. These have long and shallow bends; not like the type when the Sun hits them. But, they have dips and "hills" to cause the needle to skip, or stay at the same place. I do not have duplicates of these, so they are needed for my collection. (This is for Jim:) One 45 is by the Carter Sisters and Mother from 1949. An RCA green disc in mint condition: A Side is "Crocodile Tears" and B side is Grandma "Told Me So". I did not know that 45's dated back that far, as most of mine are in the mid 50's and up. They sure bring back memories and wow, my jukeboxes play! I still need a jukebox to play my 78's. Until then, I have to rely on my Garrard Changer and Gramophone (he, he)! Dick Habegger Phelan, CA Ron Rich wrote: Dick, What brand jukebox are you attempting to play it on ? Ron Rich Dick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] From bmet09 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 23:35:57 2010 From: bmet09 at yahoo.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Sat Jan 2 23:50:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited)-with correction! Message-ID: <987640.78042.qm@web112516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Chris and David[and Jim], I have an Audio-Technica AT-LP 2D USB Stereo Turntable. It has one USB output with one switchable Phono or Line level output. I normally use the analog outputs to my audio system to review poor records. The tonearm is set for 2 oz[should be: 2 grams!]. BTW, it has a mag cartridge with a replaceable stylus. It is my standard to determine whether, or not, I save a record. I hope this helps. Sorry, but I have a problem sending messages through Earthlink, so I have to use my Yahoo! account. Dick Habegger Phelan, CA David Breneman wrote: --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Chris Ralph wrote: > > >USB turntables are sort of a toy product. That doesn't mean > >that they can't be enjoyable for casual listening, but you're > >better off buying a "real" turntable with a decent magnetic > >cartridge and a preamp with RIAA equalization built in, and > >plugging that into the sound card of your computer. If you > >can find some kind of trim adjustment, that might bring the > >level down so it does not clip, but since the turntable and > >electronics are sold as a "package" one would expect that > >calibration was done at the factory. You should probably > >return it. > >Dick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] From blackj at internode.on.net Sun Jan 3 02:17:24 2010 From: blackj at internode.on.net (Jeffrey Black) Date: Sun Jan 3 02:26:07 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pin Pusher problem on an AMi 900 Record Changer Message-ID: <000001ca8c5d$f1fc9570$d5f5c050$@on.net> Greetings and Happy New Year from Downunder, Progress on the restoration of the G200 moves slowly, and this weekend I've reinstalled the motor. And, as I expected - nothing worked when I powered it up! There are a few issues, but first a thank-you to all those who assisted with my last set of questions. Only one remained unanswered, and I have found the answer myself. It concerned the reason for the "Bracket and Button Assembly" (F-3203) which is screwed onto the cabinet under the top speaker. It is used to hold the leather strap (a part not listed in the Cabinet Parts manual!) that clips behind the front lock on the inside thus holding the front glass up while you work inside. But to be under the horn speaker seems very strange - especially if it is bolted down. But onto the current issue - nothing working. I'm working through the settings and adjustments first - getting the record set down correct, tonearm height and weight etc - before I go troubleshooting. One adjustment is to confirm the front to back alignment of the pulse converter with the pin pusher. The manual explains how to establish the position for A1, which I have done - then align and tighten the pin pusher to A1 and recheck. At this point I'm in trouble as - no matter how much I tighten the pin pusher onto the pulse converter selector shaft, it will not turn in sync with the pulse converter. It seems that the pin pusher cannot grip onto the shaft as behind it, inside the shaft at this spot is the plunger whose diameter is smaller than the inner diameter of the shaft. So, effectively the pin pusher is trying to tighten onto a thin largely hollow tube of quite soft metal (gold in colour - brass??) with nothing under it to give it grip. To further complicate matters, the parts drawing in my manual for this assembly shows a "ring" (F-3835) and a flat inner edge on the "holder and pivot assembly" (F-3477). In disassembly I found no "ring" - just a burred end on the shaft. Even more bizarre is that in the manual the font for the part number for the ring (ie F-3835) is very different. Is it that I have a "ring" already moulded onto the holder and pivot assy. and no "ring" - some sort of rolling modification that is not documented in my version of the manual - or am I missing something?? The result is that the pin pusher is not landing at A1 reliably - it overtravels, then on the next test, undertravels. The slop is horrendous!! How do I tighten this so that it holds and maintains front to back alignment? Finally, all three motors (Gripper, Record Basket and Turntable) were tested on the bench before reassembly of the 900, and on power-up the turntable motor starts and runs continuously - I'm sure that's wrong. I believe this 900 series motor was used in Ami G, H and I jukeboxes that played 200 selections. Any advice appreciated. Cheers, Jeffrey Black PS. I have an issue with the blade switches on the Camshaft Switch Assy. not matching my manual or wiring diagram. More on that as I move though the motor. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 05:54:36 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Jan 3 05:56:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pin Pusher problem on an AMi 900 Record Changer In-Reply-To: <000001ca8c5d$f1fc9570$d5f5c050$@on.net> Message-ID: <115347.56496.qm@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 1/3/10, Jeffrey Black wrote: > But to be under the horn speaker seems > very strange - > especially if it is bolted down. But there's also one on top of the horn (or should be) to use when the horn is not tilted up. The one under the horn is a bonus. > One adjustment is to confirm the front to back alignment of > the pulse converter with the pin pusher... > At this point I'm in trouble as - > no matter how much I > tighten the pin pusher onto the pulse converter selector > shaft, it will not > turn in sync with the pulse converter. It seems that the > pin pusher cannot > grip onto the shaft as behind it... This is very strange. You should not have to tighten the clamp much to get it to stay put. In fact, I have mine tightened so that if you grabbed it and twisted it, it would slip on the shaft. This is because I'm afraid that it will drag against the back of the cabinet if someone moves the machine while it's turning. I had that happen once. If yours is still loose on the shaft, maybe the shaft isn't clamped down on the pulse converter end. You're right in your belief that over-tightening it could be a very expensive mistake. > The result is that the pin pusher is not landing at A1 > reliably - it > overtravels, then on the next test, undertravels. The > slop is horrendous!! > How do I tighten this so that it holds and maintains front > to back alignment? I'm puzzled by your reference to "front to back" alignment. Is the pusher landing, say, on A3 or K19 instead of A1; or is it pulling up and away from the pins, or dropping down and catching on them? > Finally, all three motors (Gripper, Record Basket and > Turntable) were tested > on the bench before reassembly of the 900, and on power-up > the turntable > motor starts and runs continuously - I'm sure that's > wrong. It "thinks" it's playing. If you press the record rack rotate button, does the rack rotate? If not, the machine is in scan or play mode. If in scan mode, the scan motor isn't getting power (or is binding on something). If in play mode (and the transfer arm is in its rest position over the rack) check the leaf switches that it operates at its base. If in play mode with the transfer arm over the turntable, maybe the reject switch activated by the end of the record isn't working. From donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com Sun Jan 3 06:16:07 2010 From: donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com (luke & lucy) Date: Sun Jan 3 06:17:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) References: <20100101.175121.8379.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: This may or may not be relevant but in case you didnt know you dont need to buy a usb turntable if you already have a decent turntable you can buy a cable such as AudCap USB Audio Capture available in the UK for around ?30 in the UK and probably much cheaper in the States. As well as being much cheaper than a new deck you have the added advantage of being able to connect to most amps and so can copy all your old cassettes, 8tracks, or whatever to digital. hope this is of some use - Luke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Ralph" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) > No pots or dials, but it does have aux output (2x line-level RCA) so I > will > try it. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Alexander" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls > revisited) > > > > > Chris: > > There are high quality USB turntables available that include magnetic > cartridges (Audio technica AT3400 seems to be the favorite) and onboard > preamps with level control adjustments. These are usually not too > expensive,either. > > A USB turntable with a ceramic cartridge will have an onboard line amp > stage, usually with the digital conversion electronics--do you have level > adjust pots there? Do you have audio aux-level outs on your TT? Try > connecting these to an audio aux input of a stereo amp and see if the > audio > quality is decent. If the sound is good here, the fault lies in the > analog > to conversion circuits. New product warranty? > > Hope this helps, > > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Weight Loss Program > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=K4mKePnHMo1DIRAZc4yIzwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release Date: 01/02/10 08:22:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 07:54:25 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Jan 3 07:56:08 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <612169.97256.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 1/3/10, luke & lucy wrote: > ...if you already have a decent turntable you can buy a cable > such as AudCap USB Audio Capture available in the UK for > around ?30 in the UK and probably much cheaper in the > States. As well as being much cheaper than a new deck you > have the added advantage of being able to connect to most > amps and so can copy all your old cassettes, 8tracks, or > whatever to digital. I think, though, that any such product should come with the warning "For Casual Listening Only." Remember, when you pay ?30 for such a cable, you are getting a A-D converter which costs much less than that total. Professional studios and even serious amateurs still pay thousands of dollars for A-D/D-A converters because a cheap one is... well... *cheap*. From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Jan 3 08:05:35 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Jan 3 08:07:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) In-Reply-To: References: <20100101.175121.8379.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <012001ca8c8e$958a8b90$c09fa2b0$@force9.co.uk> I do a lot of this via one of my mixer outputs into the sound card input of the PC. So long as you can find a way of pre-amplifying the magnetic pickup it's pretty irrelevant as to how you get the line in to the sound card. A bit of experimentation is necessary but the results can be fantastic. In some cases it's better to do it this way if you have a decent vinyl copy of a record rather than purchase the over processed digitised CD version that sounds hissy and as flat as a pancake in comparison. Couple of things worth mentioning - 1) You can't saturate like a cassette and get away with it. Any clipping manifests itself as distortion. 2) There are loads of cheap and nasty USB turntables in the UK for sale at the moment. They have a plastic turntable, cheap DC motor horrible tonearm/cartridge. I can only think they must rumble like hell due to the total lack of quality so the results that end up on the PC must be hopeless. 3) If you use a 'normal' turntable you may initially have hum problems which can easily be rectified (in exactly the same way you get them on jukeboxes really). 4) Use the minimum of processing (click reduction / record wear reduction) as possible. It tends to mud the sound. Nigel UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of luke & lucy Sent: 03 January 2010 14:16 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) This may or may not be relevant but in case you didnt know you dont need to buy a usb turntable if you already have a decent turntable you can buy a cable such as AudCap USB Audio Capture available in the UK for around ?30 in the UK and probably much cheaper in the States. As well as being much cheaper than a new deck you have the added advantage of being able to connect to most amps and so can copy all your old cassettes, 8tracks, or whatever to digital. hope this is of some use - Luke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Ralph" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) > No pots or dials, but it does have aux output (2x line-level RCA) so I > will > try it. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Alexander" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls > revisited) > > > > > Chris: > > There are high quality USB turntables available that include magnetic > cartridges (Audio technica AT3400 seems to be the favorite) and onboard > preamps with level control adjustments. These are usually not too > expensive,either. > > A USB turntable with a ceramic cartridge will have an onboard line amp > stage, usually with the digital conversion electronics--do you have level > adjust pots there? Do you have audio aux-level outs on your TT? Try > connecting these to an audio aux input of a stereo amp and see if the > audio > quality is decent. If the sound is good here, the fault lies in the > analog > to conversion circuits. New product warranty? > > Hope this helps, > > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Weight Loss Program > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=K4mKePnHMo1DIRAZc4yIzwAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release Date: 01/02/10 08:22:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 08:15:53 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 3 08:17:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited-resent In-Reply-To: <886937.21239.qm@web112504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <112184.46500.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dick, What can I say, except "get a Seeburg", which has "damping action" and will play warped records better than the jukes you have---? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Dick Habegger wrote: From: Dick Habegger Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited-resent To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 11:29 PM Hi Ron, I have a Rowe-AMI R-74 and a RO 490. Each have similar TT's, so I get the same results. My cousins brought me about 150 45's this Christmas. I am going through them now. I found one broken one and three warped ones. These have long and shallow bends; not like the type when the Sun hits them. But, they have dips and "hills" to cause the needle to skip, or stay at the same place. I do not have duplicates of these, so they are needed for my collection. (This is for Jim:) One 45 is by the Carter Sisters and Mother from 1949. An RCA green disc in mint condition: A Side is "Crocodile Tears" and B side is Grandma "Told Me So". I did not know that 45's dated back that far, as most of mine are in the mid 50's and up. They sure bring back memories and wow, my jukeboxes play! I still need a jukebox to play my 78's. Until then, I have to rely on my Garrard Changer and Gramophone (he, he)! Dick Habegger Phelan, CA Ron Rich wrote: Dick, What brand jukebox are you attempting to play it on ? Ron Rich Dick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 3 08:57:49 2010 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Sun Jan 3 08:59:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pin Pusher problem on an AMi 900 Record Changer References: <000001ca8c5d$f1fc9570$d5f5c050$@on.net> Message-ID: <958BD92F14914473B98BEF8FDF5C25AB@dirksen> Jeffery - I'm afraid you have damaged the hollow tube by over-tightening it. Replacement is the only option. I was not able to find that size tubing in any local hardware store, so I fixed mine by removing it, cutting it in half, and turning the damaged end towards the center. I soldered it back together with a regular copper pipe coupling so the length was the same and I now had a "fresh" end to attach the pin pusher. If you go this route, be sure not to cut the tube where the coupling might interfere with the cancel solenoid inside the main shaft. I don't have that service manual, but my "900 series record changer" parts catalog doesn't show part #3835 on the pin pusher page. Seeing how the G200 was the first of that series, maybe that part was eliminated or changed later on. I can say that the different font indicates that the part is shown on another page (in "normal" font) as part of a different assembly. I can only guess, but it may be the clamp at the front end of the shaft. As far as your turntable motor goes, are you sure you didn't plug it into a light socket or wallbox socket by mistake? Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Black" To: Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:17 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pin Pusher problem on an AMi 900 Record Changer > Greetings and Happy New Year from Downunder, > > > > Progress on the restoration of the G200 moves slowly, and this weekend > I've > reinstalled the motor. And, as I expected - nothing worked when I powered > it up! > > > > There are a few issues, but first a thank-you to all those who assisted > with > my last set of questions. Only one remained unanswered, and I have found > the answer myself. > > > > It concerned the reason for the "Bracket and Button Assembly" (F-3203) > which > is screwed onto the cabinet under the top speaker. It is used to hold the > leather strap (a part not listed in the Cabinet Parts manual!) that clips > behind the front lock on the inside thus holding the front glass up while > you work inside. But to be under the horn speaker seems very strange - > especially if it is bolted down. > > > > But onto the current issue - nothing working. > > > > I'm working through the settings and adjustments first - getting the > record > set down correct, tonearm height and weight etc - before I go > troubleshooting. > > > > One adjustment is to confirm the front to back alignment of the pulse > converter with the pin pusher. The manual explains how to establish the > position for A1, which I have done - then align and tighten the pin > pusher > to A1 and recheck. At this point I'm in trouble as - no matter how much I > tighten the pin pusher onto the pulse converter selector shaft, it will > not > turn in sync with the pulse converter. It seems that the pin pusher cannot > grip onto the shaft as behind it, inside the shaft at this spot is the > plunger whose diameter is smaller than the inner diameter of the shaft. > So, > effectively the pin pusher is trying to tighten onto a thin largely hollow > tube of quite soft metal (gold in colour - brass??) with nothing under it > to > give it grip. > > > > To further complicate matters, the parts drawing in my manual for this > assembly shows a "ring" (F-3835) and a flat inner edge on the "holder and > pivot assembly" (F-3477). In disassembly I found no "ring" - just a > burred > end on the shaft. Even more bizarre is that in the manual the font for the > part number for the ring (ie F-3835) is very different. Is it that I have > a > "ring" already moulded onto the holder and pivot assy. and no "ring" - > some > sort of rolling modification that is not documented in my version of the > manual - or am I missing something?? > > > > The result is that the pin pusher is not landing at A1 reliably - it > overtravels, then on the next test, undertravels. The slop is > horrendous!! > How do I tighten this so that it holds and maintains front to back > alignment? > > > > Finally, all three motors (Gripper, Record Basket and Turntable) were > tested > on the bench before reassembly of the 900, and on power-up the turntable > motor starts and runs continuously - I'm sure that's wrong. > > > > I believe this 900 series motor was used in Ami G, H and I jukeboxes that > played 200 selections. > > > > Any advice appreciated. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jeffrey Black > > > > PS. I have an issue with the blade switches on the Camshaft Switch Assy. > not > matching my manual or wiring diagram. More on that as I move though the > motor. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release Date: 01/02/10 03:22:00 From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sun Jan 3 09:27:49 2010 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sun Jan 3 09:29:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: RE: nsm 240 record transfer arm adjustments References: <6540c3a2ff9e.4b3cc795@wright.edu> Message-ID: <470A509F93C74CDBAAD9EF193C2C4FA9@JUKEBUS> ...This is a common problem on these mechs, and unfortunately it's not very easy to fix. What happens is that the camshaft bearings or the roller that operates the lift arm become worn and this causes the arm not to return to the fully down position. The "gearing" ratio is high so it only needs a few thou (~20?) ware at the roller end to cause 1/2" misalignment at the lifting end. The solution is to replace the roller, the camshaft or both. I have also drilled out and sleeved the inside of a camshaft - when I could not find any others! Best of luck with it. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dexter Minneman" To: "jukebox-list" Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:47 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: RE: nsm 240 record transfer arm adjustments well the mech is not bent it just kinda clicks on the bottom after it moves a bit it throws a 060 error which i have found to mean that there is a caraige jam. when i bought it the guys said t worked until they moved it and the carriage fell off. i put it back on and keep getting the 060 error no matter what i do. is it possible that im not putting the carriage on in the right place. Dexter J Minneman reigonal manager student painters cell# (937)684-1352 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: 12/30/09 07:27:00 From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Sun Jan 3 10:03:56 2010 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Sun Jan 3 10:05:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: RE: nsm 240 record transfer arm adjustments In-Reply-To: <6540c3a2ff9e.4b3cc795@wright.edu> References: <6540c3a2ff9e.4b3cc795@wright.edu> Message-ID: <4B40DC0C.3070909@stny.rr.com> It should not matter where the carriage is put back. There is an optical sensor that reads a strip under the record rack to help the carriage find home. After mounting the carriage, press the button on the centrale and the carriage should move from one end the the other and reverse at each end. If it doesn't, make sure the optical sensor is clean. If the carriage is not moving, it may need to run through a cycle where the arm goes up and down. With the carriage off the track, but connected to the centrale, push the button the the centrale while manually pushing on the clutch under the mechanism. That transfers the motor from the carriage movement gear to the record pick mechanism. Let it run a cycle until the ram is at it's lowes point, and then remount the carriage to the rails. Jon On 12/31/2009 3:47 PM, Dexter Minneman wrote: > well the mech is not bent it just kinda clicks on the bottom after it moves a bit it throws a 060 error which i have found to mean that there is a caraige jam. when i bought it the guys said t worked until they moved it and the carriage fell off. i put it back on and keep getting the 060 error no matter what i do. is it possible that im not putting the carriage on in the right place. > > > Dexter J Minneman > reigonal manager > student painters > cell# (937)684-1352 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 3 11:45:02 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 3 11:47:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited-resent Message-ID: <20100103.144502.28324.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Hello Dick: >From what I've heard about record history, the first 45 RPM records were probably introduced on a small scale by inventor RCA Victor in the late 40's, along with their record players. One of the gimmicks that was used was pressing records on colored vinyl. The earliest RCA 45's had an aqua-blue color record label. Any effort I've made to try to repair warp-damaged vinyl records has been a frustrating exercise. As you attempt to correct the ill-effects of one warp, you cause another problem. A site that I've seen, where record collectors tend to hang out is www.recordfinder.com. In addition to them having an on-line store, there are bulletin boards, individual members having sales, etc. I haven't used the service myself but it appears to be a good venue to find/swap rare and hard-to-find records. Their store has lots of 78 and 45 singles of this 1950 era, usually carrying prices of $5 ea. Because this is a collector site, be forewarned, rare first issues, labels with certain printing, album photography etc are valued here and can carry high asking prices. A second site I can recommend is Beverly Records (www.beverlyrecords.com) in Chicago IL. Beverly is one of S. chicago's oldest record stores,still going strong. Their online store has a huge catalog of 45 singles, both original issue and repro-copies. They also have a record-locating service if you contact them. Maybe these resources can help you replace the warped early issue 45's that are important to you. There are usually several record retailers like this that advertise in Always Jukin' if you want to search further. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=VWy9mzRyV2hukGf6W10ElQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From bmet09 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 11:49:43 2010 From: bmet09 at yahoo.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Sun Jan 3 11:57:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables Message-ID: <371331.40749.qm@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Class is in session! The subject for today is Digital Processing (My discussion is not meant to be technical, so all can understand it.) Digital processing can be cheap and unbearable to the ear, or image. Or, it can be very fine and precise. All you need is a processor with a high bit rate! Some are relating digital processing to poor quality sound. This is true if you use 4 or 8-bit processors. The higher the processing bits are, the better the sound, or image. I would like to compare it to pixels in images. Fewer pixels result in poor resolution. Your image can be the size of a postage stamp, or can fill the broadside of a barn. NASA Hubble images come to mind. The same can be said for "bits" with audio signals. 4 or 8 bit processing causes (more of) a stair-step pattern to an input signal. This is heard as distortion. Higher bit processing will smooth out the wave, or spectrum, resulting in quality sound. (The bell rang, so class is dismissed.) So, if you want good sound, you must purchase a high-bit processor based attachment. Technology and mass production has resulted in lowering costs and increasing resolution to reach the masses. Not all sound is derived from cheap processors. Thus, it is not wise to degrade digital outputs. FWIW, one of my previous jobs was with Nicolet Digital Oscilloscope Division. I had to service this equipment and calibrate processors. Any comments, or questions will be handled and discussed as long as this List (and Jay) can tolerate it. Otherwise, I will take them "Off-List". Dick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] From DriveInFleaMarket at verizon.net Sun Jan 3 11:56:33 2010 From: DriveInFleaMarket at verizon.net (DriveInFleaMarket) Date: Sun Jan 3 11:58:17 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited-resent In-Reply-To: <20100103.144502.28324.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100103.144502.28324.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4B40F671.9020002@verizon.net> James Alexander wrote: > Hello Dick: > > >From what I've heard about record history, the first 45 RPM records were probably introduced on a small scale by inventor RCA Victor in the late 40's, along with their record players. One of the gimmicks that was used was pressing records on colored vinyl. The earliest RCA 45's had an aqua-blue color record label. > > Any effort I've made to try to repair warp-damaged vinyl records has been a frustrating exercise. As you attempt to correct the ill-effects of one warp, you cause another problem. > > A site that I've seen, where record collectors tend to hang out is www.recordfinder.com. In addition to them having an on-line store, there are bulletin boards, individual members having sales, etc. I haven't used the service myself but it appears to be a good venue to find/swap rare and hard-to-find records. Their store has lots of 78 and 45 singles of this 1950 era, usually carrying prices of $5 ea. > Because this is a collector site, be forewarned, rare first issues, labels with certain printing, album photography etc are valued here and can carry high asking prices. > > A second site I can recommend is Beverly Records (www.beverlyrecords.com) in Chicago IL. Beverly is one of S. chicago's oldest record stores,still going strong. Their online store has a huge catalog of 45 singles, both original issue and repro-copies. They also have a record-locating service if you contact them. > > Maybe these resources can help you replace the warped early issue 45's that are important to you. There are usually several record retailers like this that advertise in Always Jukin' if you want to search further. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Love Spell > Click here to light up your life with a love spell! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=VWy9mzRyV2hukGf6W10ElQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > Val Shively in Philly, Pa. has millions of old records From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Jan 3 12:03:01 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Jan 3 12:04:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer Americana II does everything Message-ID: Steve, although similar in a few respects the 3200 and 3500 were completely different mechanisms. They did share a penchant for using microswitches, but these were different in most cases, the 3500 having a newer style which required less pressure to activate. Still the switches in both mechanisms are always a good place to start looking for problems in these. The 3200 still used the vertical play mechanism first seen in 1954. Here's an interior photo of a 3200. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Wurlitzer%20references/Wur009.jpg ...and one from behind. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Wurlitzer%20references/5.jpg Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Jan 3 12:29:47 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Jan 3 12:31:28 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Speaker Rattle Message-ID: It's "bass," but not a fish! You could try getting some soft rubber grommets (any hardware store) and mounting the speakers using them. Sometimes it's one particular frequency that will make the speakers, the speaker board, the grill, or some other combination of those or other parts resonate. There may be some associated feedback from the speaker through the mechanism that can cause this kind of sound, too. be sure the mechanism hold down bolts are loosesned so the mechanism can float on its springs. I JUST YESTERDAY freed the mechanism hold down bolts on EIGHT jukeboxes for a guy. Sound improved on all of them. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sun Jan 3 13:46:53 2010 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sun Jan 3 13:48:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pin Pusher problem on an AMi 900 Record Changer References: <000001ca8c5d$f1fc9570$d5f5c050$@on.net> Message-ID: <4FB39E6F5FB74541B21A1B944ACB007F@JUKEBUS> I don't have the manuals to hand, but it sounds like there is a part missing from your pin pusher assembly. There should be a short metal tube, with a flange at one end. This fits inside the long brass tube and allows the pusher arm clamp to grip the brass tube without crushing it, or causing it to binding on the solenoid plunger. You really need this part to make it work. Also be careful not to overtighten the clamp - the casting is easily cracked and very difficult to repair or replace! Hope this helps, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Black" To: Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 10:17 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pin Pusher problem on an AMi 900 Record Changer Greetings and Happy New Year from Downunder, Progress on the restoration of the G200 moves slowly, and this weekend I've reinstalled the motor. And, as I expected - nothing worked when I powered it up! There are a few issues, but first a thank-you to all those who assisted with my last set of questions. Only one remained unanswered, and I have found the answer myself. It concerned the reason for the "Bracket and Button Assembly" (F-3203) which is screwed onto the cabinet under the top speaker. It is used to hold the leather strap (a part not listed in the Cabinet Parts manual!) that clips behind the front lock on the inside thus holding the front glass up while you work inside. But to be under the horn speaker seems very strange - especially if it is bolted down. But onto the current issue - nothing working. I'm working through the settings and adjustments first - getting the record set down correct, tonearm height and weight etc - before I go troubleshooting. One adjustment is to confirm the front to back alignment of the pulse converter with the pin pusher. The manual explains how to establish the position for A1, which I have done - then align and tighten the pin pusher to A1 and recheck. At this point I'm in trouble as - no matter how much I tighten the pin pusher onto the pulse converter selector shaft, it will not turn in sync with the pulse converter. It seems that the pin pusher cannot grip onto the shaft as behind it, inside the shaft at this spot is the plunger whose diameter is smaller than the inner diameter of the shaft. So, effectively the pin pusher is trying to tighten onto a thin largely hollow tube of quite soft metal (gold in colour - brass??) with nothing under it to give it grip. To further complicate matters, the parts drawing in my manual for this assembly shows a "ring" (F-3835) and a flat inner edge on the "holder and pivot assembly" (F-3477). In disassembly I found no "ring" - just a burred end on the shaft. Even more bizarre is that in the manual the font for the part number for the ring (ie F-3835) is very different. Is it that I have a "ring" already moulded onto the holder and pivot assy. and no "ring" - some sort of rolling modification that is not documented in my version of the manual - or am I missing something?? The result is that the pin pusher is not landing at A1 reliably - it overtravels, then on the next test, undertravels. The slop is horrendous!! How do I tighten this so that it holds and maintains front to back alignment? Finally, all three motors (Gripper, Record Basket and Turntable) were tested on the bench before reassembly of the 900, and on power-up the turntable motor starts and runs continuously - I'm sure that's wrong. I believe this 900 series motor was used in Ami G, H and I jukeboxes that played 200 selections. Any advice appreciated. Cheers, Jeffrey Black PS. I have an issue with the blade switches on the Camshaft Switch Assy. not matching my manual or wiring diagram. More on that as I move though the motor. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: 12/30/09 07:27:00 From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sun Jan 3 13:58:18 2010 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sun Jan 3 14:00:10 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Abused Princesses (Rockola 1493) Thermistors, pinbank pins References: <4B3C46D4.1060405@west.net> Message-ID: <1728EDB194BF49ACA4D19E6B67408C0C@JUKEBUS> I have re-built a few of these amps (actually close to 30 of them!) and have only found the thermistors missing on 2 of them. I did find a suitable substitute and it appeared to work well. That was a few years ago, I think (Hope!) that I noted it in my manual, I will check at the workshop tomorrow and post the type number if I have it. As you noted Jay, without the thermistor the gain is too high. I wondered if they were removed by someone trying to "fix" a low gain issue somewhere else in the amp. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 6:38 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Abused Princesses (Rockola 1493) Thermistors,pinbank pins Things always seem to happen in multiples. I find myself with two Rockola 1493 Princess jukes, one for myself and fixing one for a friend. Interestingly, both have the same issues. As far as I know they came from different backgrounds and weren't on the same route. On the amplifier as James Alexander noticed when I posted previous pictures, the thermistors have been clipped out. This is true of BOTH amplifiers. I assumed that these were for some type of temperature compensation and not critical. However, the thermistors in these amplifiers are deployed in a very clever manner. The thermistor is part of a negative feedback loop between the high side of the volume control and the input stage. Lower resistance decreases the overall gain. The designer used the self-heating and time constant of the thermistor as the control element in the AVC. Higher volume causes increased current flow which warms the thermistor. This reduces the gain, lowering the volume. Very clever. One inexpensive part replaces the audio rectifier tube, time constant capacitors, etc. found in typical AVC circuits. Of course this could lead to volume variations if the box is used in an area where the temperature varies a lot, but underneath the amplifier after things have been powered in a while should be relatively stable in terms of temperature. The bad news is that two relatively obscure specifications of the thermistor become important. The dissipation factor (how much self-heating per milliwatt of power through the device) and the time constant in air (how long to cool down once the source of heat is removed). Rockola just lists the part as #32497 with no specs at all. With the thermistors removed there is no AVC and the voltage gain is about five times rated at the top of the volume control. A 1K resistor makes the gain about as specified, 3.0V at the volume control test point for 0.18 volts input. My thoughts are that a 1K NTC thermistor ought to be about right. Time constants vary from 4 to 15 seconds for suitable parts and dissipation from 0.75 mW per degree C to 4 mW per degree C. I'm leaning towards the more sensitive part, they're cheap enough at a couple of bucks each to try more than one. This is the one I think will be a good fit: http://sensing.honeywell.com/index.cfm?ci_id=140301&la_id=1&pr_id=145496 Has anyone substituted these before and if so what part did you use? Any clue as to the OEM part Rockola used? The other strange thing is that there are pins missing from both pinbanks in near identical positions. Both "B" sides and both near the top of the drum assembly. One is missing one pin and the other is missing two. I can't imagine how this could happen short of someone forcefully removing them or disassembling the pinbank. Pictures here: http://www.west.net/~jay/images/1493pin1.jpg http://www.west.net/~jay/images/1493pin2.jpg http://www.west.net/~jay/images/1493pin3.jpg Is it possible to remove and/or replace the pins without completely disassembling the pinbank? I have a junker pinbank from a 160-select unit that I can use to rob pins, assuming that they're the same. Any idea how/why this was done? Do pins frequently get damaged or broken on these units? How difficult is it to take the pinbank apart and is there anything to look out for? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: 12/30/09 07:27:00 From kjq45 at att.net Sun Jan 3 14:07:35 2010 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Jan 3 14:09:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) References: <612169.97256.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: USB turntables might be the way to go, but I'm the old fashioned type that uses the real thing. I have a Gates, 16" turntable, run it through an audio mixer, then use Acoustica's "Spin It Again" program for recording. Doing it this way gives me the ability to clean scratchy vinyl, adjust EQ, and do just about anything I want to the music. Quality is about as good as it gets for digital. Another negative with the USB system is that the construction of the tone arm and platter are CHEAP. I believe I will create a new page on my web site for this subject. www.kjq.us.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) --- On Sun, 1/3/10, luke & lucy wrote: > ...if you already have a decent turntable you can buy a cable > such as AudCap USB Audio Capture available in the UK for > around ?30 in the UK and probably much cheaper in the > States. As well as being much cheaper than a new deck you > have the added advantage of being able to connect to most > amps and so can copy all your old cassettes, 8tracks, or > whatever to digital. I think, though, that any such product should come with the warning "For Casual Listening Only." Remember, when you pay ?30 for such a cable, you are getting a A-D converter which costs much less than that total. Professional studios and even serious amateurs still pay thousands of dollars for A-D/D-A converters because a cheap one is... well... *cheap*. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Jan 3 14:13:45 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Jan 3 14:15:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Collector of Rowe/AMI R-87 and R-88s Message-ID: Nice story about meeting a jukebox person I thought you'd all like. Last week, I sent some information to someone from a craigslist ad about jukeboxes, which led to a series of emails and phone calls. So, yesterday, I drove a little over and hour in a 1963 VW and spent a great day with Don from San Jose who has a thing for R-87 and R-88 jukeboxes. I have to say, this is certainly a niche (and I don't really get it), but he's cleaned these things up to almost new condition, including one of the blue ones that had been painted completely black and had it's excellent original finish still underneath. That was a gamble that paid off. I have to say, these were the last of the good sounding Rowe 45 jukes for a while. They got particularly gravelly sounding after this. They all sound great (anything sub par got a rebuilt or replacement amplifier), and one of the R-88s (with the flourishes on the lower grills) sounds like a crisp CD player. I've never heard such absolute crystal clear treble out of another, and we had tons of these on route in the 1980s and 1990s. He uses only C8 or better records, and as you can see, he's got the title boards out of most of them so you can see the extra clean insides. I'm not sure if it's obsession over this model, or the desire to have all his records loaded and played similarly, but I convinced him to give one to his daughter for safekeeping and look for something different, maybe one of the smaller AMIs from the late 1960s to early 1970s so he can have one in the house. He's got this model nailed down and it's time to learn some electro-mechanical stuff. He's actually got room for two or three inside, but I think he can't decide which ones! After a fun day of jukeboxes, lunch, record shopping, he and his wife took me to dinner at Angelo's, where there's a 1973 Seeburg SPS2, the Matador, in good condition still playing after all these years. Apparently Ron Rich services it and it works great. Ron, jack up the treble on that thing! (Trust me). Here's a photo of seven of his eight jukeboxes. One's up at summer cottage in Oregon. I didn't think to take the camera to the restaurant. The Seeburg is in excellent condition. This photo probably looks like several operator's back roons circa 1984. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Donsjukes.jpg?t=1262555916 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From cly21 at aol.com Sun Jan 3 14:17:53 2010 From: cly21 at aol.com (cly21@aol.com) Date: Sun Jan 3 14:19:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1962 Rock-Ola Princess 1493 Problem with B selections Message-ID: <8CC5AD9BA3241CD-2BF0-2D97@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> I have a problem with my Rock-Ola Princess when making some "B" side selections of a record. About 50% of the time when I select a "B" side of a record the jukebox will select and play the "B" side of the next record in the magazine. I have not noticed this when making "A" side selections. I would greatly appreciate any advise. Thanks, Jeff From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Jan 3 15:01:15 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Jan 3 15:02:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Universal MONO juke amplifier. HURRY! 22 hours left. Message-ID: This looks like an amazing find. An amplifier, obviously 1940s to 1950s. has input and a outputs for Wurlitzer, Seeburg, Rock-Ola plugs. SCARF THIS UP. Item # 280445003474 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Jan 3 15:54:32 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Jan 3 15:56:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) In-Reply-To: References: <612169.97256.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013001ca8cd0$18546230$48fd2690$@force9.co.uk> I use two Gates CB77 broadcast turntables (Ex BBC Radio 1) with Gray Research viscous damped tonearms, through a Behringer 10 channel mixer. Took a hell of a lot to set up correctly but the time and expense was more than worth the effort in the final result. I use Nero or Audacity software at the PC end. Nigel, UK. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Glen Pitts Sent: 03 January 2010 22:08 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) USB turntables might be the way to go, but I'm the old fashioned type that uses the real thing. I have a Gates, 16" turntable, run it through an audio mixer, then use Acoustica's "Spin It Again" program for recording. Doing it this way gives me the ability to clean scratchy vinyl, adjust EQ, and do just about anything I want to the music. Quality is about as good as it gets for digital. Another negative with the USB system is that the construction of the tone arm and platter are CHEAP. I believe I will create a new page on my web site for this subject. www.kjq.us.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) --- On Sun, 1/3/10, luke & lucy wrote: > ...if you already have a decent turntable you can buy a cable > such as AudCap USB Audio Capture available in the UK for > around ?30 in the UK and probably much cheaper in the > States. As well as being much cheaper than a new deck you > have the added advantage of being able to connect to most > amps and so can copy all your old cassettes, 8tracks, or > whatever to digital. I think, though, that any such product should come with the warning "For Casual Listening Only." Remember, when you pay ?30 for such a cable, you are getting a A-D converter which costs much less than that total. Professional studios and even serious amateurs still pay thousands of dollars for A-D/D-A converters because a cheap one is... well... *cheap*. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Jan 3 16:33:17 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sun Jan 3 16:35:10 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Collector of Rowe/AMI R-87 and R-88s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85E94070-AB07-4D26-9D4D-9BBE3DF7A7B2@verizon.net> Kyle, that is a great picture...hope he takes your advice and explores a little more. Sounds like a wonderful day, the kind I would love to have at least once a week! Thanks for sharing, Jackie Dancin' Out On Jan 3, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Donsjukes.jpg?t=1262555916 From valveamp101 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 17:59:16 2010 From: valveamp101 at yahoo.com (Tom G) Date: Sun Jan 3 18:00:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) In-Reply-To: <013001ca8cd0$18546230$48fd2690$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <466535.67155.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I agree the USB tables are nice for?convenience, but not the best quality.. I decided to get a late 70's table instead of a USB. I run it thru my Neotek console and SSL converters into Digital Performer. But I keep a nice home studio because I'm partners with a studio in town and can work on some things at home.? That said, I know a few people with the USB tables and they like them quite a bit. I guess it depends on how picky a person is and how good their hearing! (oh yeah...and budget) ?:) Tom --- On Sun, 1/3/10, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 5:54 PM I use two Gates CB77 broadcast turntables (Ex BBC Radio 1) with Gray Research viscous damped tonearms, through a Behringer 10 channel mixer. Took a hell of a lot to set up correctly but the time and expense was more than worth the effort in the final result. I use Nero or Audacity software at the PC end. Nigel, UK. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Glen Pitts Sent: 03 January 2010 22:08 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) USB turntables might be the way to go, but I'm the old fashioned type that uses the real thing.? I have a Gates, 16" turntable, run it through an audio mixer, then use Acoustica's "Spin It Again" program for recording.? Doing it this way gives me the ability to clean scratchy vinyl, adjust EQ, and do just about anything I want to the music.? Quality is about as good as it gets for digital.? Another negative with the USB system is that the construction of the tone arm and platter are CHEAP.? I believe I will create a new page on my web site for this subject.? www.kjq.us.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) --- On Sun, 1/3/10, luke & lucy wrote: > ...if you already have a decent turntable you can buy a cable > such as AudCap USB Audio Capture available in the UK for > around ?30 in the UK and probably much cheaper in the > States. As well as being much cheaper than a new deck you > have the added advantage of being able to connect to most > amps and so can copy all your old cassettes, 8tracks, or > whatever to digital. I think, though, that any such product should come with the warning "For Casual Listening Only."? Remember, when you pay ?30 for such a cable, you are getting a A-D converter which costs much less than that total. Professional studios and even serious amateurs still pay thousands of dollars for A-D/D-A converters because a cheap one is...? well...? *cheap*. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sun Jan 3 18:09:18 2010 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sun Jan 3 18:33:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Collector of Rowe/AMI R-87 and R-88s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The R-87 is a personal favorite of mine. I bought 4 of the blue ones new on a closeout sale in late 1984 along with an R86 at the same time (actually the new R86 came FREE with the purchase of 4 new R-87's). I was just getting in the business heavy at the time. The distributor had a large supply of the older models that they couldn't seem to get rid of, and discounted heavily... I got all 5 brand new in box for less than 10 grand total AFTER adding in sales tax and freight to my gameroom I operated at the time. I still have the R-86 in my home gameroom- until this last year it still had less than 100,000 plays on the meter- not bad for a 28 year old jukebox (compare it to almost 400,000 on the newer R-89 that is also in the gameroom). I always wondered why discounted the R-86 and the R-87's went so cheap compared to the newer R-88 which, face it, is VERY unattractive without the flashing lamps. I'm very surprised they were able to even sell the R-88's for more than the R-87 when they had both models still in stock. The R-87 is a much flashier box (and I thought the R-86 even looked better than the R-87, and they gave that one to me FREE).... You are right that the models after R-88 do not sound as good as the earlier ones, with the possible exception of the R-93 (never owned/operated an R-94, so I can't comment on it). Thomas On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. < mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Nice story about meeting a jukebox person I thought you'd all like. > > Last week, I sent some information to someone from a craigslist ad about > jukeboxes, which led to a series of emails and phone calls. > So, yesterday, I drove a little over and hour in a 1963 VW and spent a > great day with Don from San Jose who has a thing for R-87 and R-88 > jukeboxes. > I have to say, this is certainly a niche (and I don't really get it), but > he's cleaned these things up to almost new condition, including one of the > blue ones that had been painted completely black and had it's excellent > original finish still underneath. That was a gamble that paid off. > I have to say, these were the last of the good sounding Rowe 45 jukes for a > while. They got particularly gravelly sounding after this. They all sound > great (anything sub par got a rebuilt or replacement amplifier), and one of > the R-88s (with the flourishes on the lower grills) sounds like a crisp CD > player. I've never heard such absolute crystal clear treble out of another, > and we had tons of these on route in the 1980s and 1990s. > > He uses only C8 or better records, and as you can see, he's got the title > boards out of most of them so you can see the extra clean insides. > > I'm not sure if it's obsession over this model, or the desire to have all > his records loaded and played similarly, but I convinced him to give one to > his daughter for safekeeping and look for something different, maybe one of > the smaller AMIs from the late 1960s to early 1970s so he can have one in > the house. He's got this model nailed down and it's time to learn some > electro-mechanical stuff. He's actually got room for two or three inside, > but I think he can't decide which ones! > > After a fun day of jukeboxes, lunch, record shopping, he and his wife took > me to dinner at Angelo's, where there's a 1973 Seeburg SPS2, the Matador, in > good condition still playing after all these years. > Apparently Ron Rich services it and it works great. > Ron, jack up the treble on that thing! (Trust me). > > Here's a photo of seven of his eight jukeboxes. One's up at summer cottage > in Oregon. > I didn't think to take the camera to the restaurant. The Seeburg is in > excellent condition. > This photo probably looks like several operator's back roons circa 1984. > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Donsjukes.jpg?t=1262555916 > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From bmet09 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 19:29:05 2010 From: bmet09 at yahoo.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Sun Jan 3 19:37:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited-resent Message-ID: <502654.47567.qm@web112506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, You haven't looked at my warped records! But then, I haven't played them on a Seeburg either. We do not get damping in the desert; too dry! (h-m-m-m) I have tried them on my RO, per Jim's comments. Dick Habegger Phelan, CA Ron Rich wrote: Dick, >What can I say, except "get a Seeburg", which has "damping action" and will play warped records better than the jukes you have--- Ron Rich > Dick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] From bmet09 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 19:45:34 2010 From: bmet09 at yahoo.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Sun Jan 3 19:47:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited-resent Message-ID: <200957.2301.qm@web112518.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, Too bad Val does have Internet access. I do all of my browsing and shopping via Internet. Telephones are an unnecessary evil; hard to call someone at 3 a.m. their time! My main resources are: Thursday's Golden Goodie OLDIES.com GEMM I have found that Beverly Records-Chicago do not have the records I search for. My best, Dick Habegger Phelan, CA DriveInFleaMarket wrote: Val Shively in Philly, Pa. has millions of old records > > > Dick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] From jay at west.net Sun Jan 3 20:02:56 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jan 3 20:04:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1962 Rock-Ola Princess 1493 Problem with B selections In-Reply-To: <8CC5AD9BA3241CD-2BF0-2D97@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5AD9BA3241CD-2BF0-2D97@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B416870.4030402@west.net> cly21@aol.com wrote: > I have a problem with my Rock-Ola Princess when making some "B" side selections of a record. About 50% of the time when I select a "B" side of a record the jukebox will select and play the "B" side of the next record in the magazine. I have not noticed this when making "A" side selections. I would greatly appreciate any advise. Is this in addition to or instead of the correct selection? This could be a write-in or read-out problem. The inner carriage "writes" the selection py flipping a selector pin. Any tripped pin causes the wobble plate switch to close and starts the record basket spinning. The outer carriage is attached to the record basket and "reads" the flipped pin. This stops the basket motor and starts the gripper motor going to pick up the record and play it. Either the wrong pin is being tripped, or the readout is out of alignment. Select several "B" sides. Stop the mech with the Scan/Off/Oper switch. Examine the tripped pins on the pinbank. Do the tripped pins match the selected song or the one that is played? The adjustments of both carriages are described on page 19 of the manual. Note that the A and B designations refer to the screws in the illustration on page 19 and not the facing page. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Sun Jan 3 20:09:37 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jan 3 20:11:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1962 Rock-Ola Princess 1493 Problem with B selections In-Reply-To: <8CC5AD9BA3241CD-2BF0-2D97@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5AD9BA3241CD-2BF0-2D97@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B416A01.4060800@west.net> cly21@aol.com wrote: > I have a problem with my Rock-Ola Princess when making some "B" side selections of a record. About 50% of the time when I select a "B" side of a record the jukebox will select and play the "B" side of the next record in the magazine. I have not noticed this when making "A" side selections. I would greatly appreciate any advise. In addition to the adjustments, ensure that the solenoids, especially the inner write-in solenoid, move freely and aren't gummed up or sluggish. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From minneman.2 at wright.edu Sun Jan 3 21:11:40 2010 From: minneman.2 at wright.edu (Dexter Minneman) Date: Sun Jan 3 21:13:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: RE: nsm 240 record transfer arm adjustments In-Reply-To: <470A509F93C74CDBAAD9EF193C2C4FA9@JUKEBUS> References: <6540c3a2ff9e.4b3cc795@wright.edu> <470A509F93C74CDBAAD9EF193C2C4FA9@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <64f0bdd2d309.4b41323c@wright.edu> so so from what your saying this is prolly a not to fun problem. one question i have though is do you think that this is the only thing that is causing the 060 carriage error even when it is off the track or maybe there might be something else as well. If it is just the cam then i have access to a machine shop to help me repair it. Dexter J Minneman reigonal manager student painters cell# (937)684-1352 ----- Original Message ----- From: Juke of Shrewsbury Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010 12:29 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: RE: nsm 240 record transfer arm adjustments To: Jukebox mailing list > ...This is a common problem on these mechs, and unfortunately > it's not very > easy to fix. What happens is that the camshaft bearings or the > roller that > operates the lift arm become worn and this causes the arm not to > return to > the fully down position. The "gearing" ratio is high so it only > needs a few > thou (~20?) ware at the roller end to cause 1/2" misalignment at > the lifting > end. The solution is to replace the roller, the camshaft or > both. I have > also drilled out and sleeved the inside of a camshaft - when I > could not > find any others! > Best of luck with it. > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dexter Minneman" > To: "jukebox-list" > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:47 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: RE: nsm 240 record transfer arm > adjustments > > well the mech is not bent it just kinda clicks on the bottom > after it moves > a bit it throws a 060 error which i have found to mean that > there is a > caraige jam. when i bought it the guys said t worked until they > moved it and > the carriage fell off. i put it back on and keep getting the 060 > error no > matter what i do. is it possible that im not putting the > carriage on in the > right place. > > > Dexter J Minneman > reigonal manager > student painters > cell# (937)684-1352 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release > Date: 12/30/09 > 07:27:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From webmaster at guestwho.com Sun Jan 3 21:17:07 2010 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sun Jan 3 21:18:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) In-Reply-To: References: <612169.97256.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes cheap is one way to put it. Those that described a plastic turntable, etc are correct, it's nothing too special. I know old fashioned is the way to go - but I don't have an old style turntable handy, so I picked up the USB version. The whole concept was "quick, easy, reasonably good sound" so I could "mass record" boxloads of 45s for others (in return I get to keep the originals for my wurlitzer). Personally I just buy the CD if there's a song I want, but that would be $$ for dozens of singles at a time. On another note, someone here mentioned a sound card with preamp built in ? (so I could feed phono straight into the PC) I'd be interested to see this - I know creative labs makes some high end stuff. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Pitts" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) USB turntables might be the way to go, but I'm the old fashioned type that uses the real thing. I have a Gates, 16" turntable, run it through an audio mixer, then use Acoustica's "Spin It Again" program for recording. Doing it this way gives me the ability to clean scratchy vinyl, adjust EQ, and do just about anything I want to the music. Quality is about as good as it gets for digital. Another negative with the USB system is that the construction of the tone arm and platter are CHEAP. I believe I will create a new page on my web site for this subject. www.kjq.us.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) --- On Sun, 1/3/10, luke & lucy wrote: > ...if you already have a decent turntable you can buy a cable > such as AudCap USB Audio Capture available in the UK for > around ?30 in the UK and probably much cheaper in the > States. As well as being much cheaper than a new deck you > have the added advantage of being able to connect to most > amps and so can copy all your old cassettes, 8tracks, or > whatever to digital. I think, though, that any such product should come with the warning "For Casual Listening Only." Remember, when you pay ?30 for such a cable, you are getting a A-D converter which costs much less than that total. Professional studios and even serious amateurs still pay thousands of dollars for A-D/D-A converters because a cheap one is... well... *cheap*. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Sun Jan 3 21:27:20 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jan 3 21:28:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables In-Reply-To: References: <612169.97256.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B417C38.8040303@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > On another note, someone here mentioned a sound card with preamp built > in ? (so I could feed phono straight into the PC) I'd be interested to > see this - I know creative labs makes some high end stuff. I'm unaware of any sound card with RIAA magnetic phono input. You can get a mag phono preamp for about $20 and use it with any sound card. http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-PP400-Ultra-Compact-Phono-Preamp/dp/B000H2BC4E/ Where size matters: http://tinyurl.com/ygzec8l -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Jan 3 23:50:09 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Jan 3 23:51:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables In-Reply-To: <4B417C38.8040303@west.net> References: <612169.97256.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B417C38.8040303@west.net> Message-ID: <000001ca8d12$89c81780$9d584680$@force9.co.uk> For those who don't want the expense of buying a preamp, if you have an old turntable and the amplifier (separate) that went with it, you can take the Tape line out and feed that into the line in of your sound card. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: 04 January 2010 05:27 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables Chris Ralph wrote: > On another note, someone here mentioned a sound card with preamp built > in ? (so I could feed phono straight into the PC) I'd be interested to > see this - I know creative labs makes some high end stuff. I'm unaware of any sound card with RIAA magnetic phono input. You can get a mag phono preamp for about $20 and use it with any sound card. http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-PP400-Ultra-Compact-Phono-Preamp/dp/B000H2BC 4E/ Where size matters: http://tinyurl.com/ygzec8l -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dave.halford at telent.com Mon Jan 4 02:13:50 2010 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Mon Jan 4 02:24:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 In-Reply-To: <5FC94A8C98EC43F5AE3508D3ADE38088@ownerbob1> Message-ID: <20100104101356.7AF6178080@blade107.lb.inty.net> Bob The black plastic does unclip, it's probably glued up with split drink like mine was, tthere is no need to dismantle the speaker area. Check out the expolded drawing in the parts manual not the operation manual. Are the chokes still 110V ones or has someone been messing? The 110v ones will work fine with the original wiring intact. The tube conn can be poor. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From jeremy at dwave.net Mon Jan 4 06:12:48 2010 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Mon Jan 4 06:14:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Collector of Rowe/AMI R-87 and R-88s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100104141107.M65973@dwave.net> Thanks Kyle for sharing a great experience. And thanks for the photo! There's something good for everyone. Jeremy Agema On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:13:45 -0800, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote > Nice story about meeting a jukebox person I thought you'd all like. > > Last week, I sent some information to someone from a craigslist ad about jukeboxes, which led to a series of emails and phone calls. > So, yesterday, I drove a little over and hour in a 1963 VW and spent a great day with Don from San Jose who has a thing for R-87 and R-88 jukeboxes. > I have to say, this is certainly a niche (and I don't really get it), but he's cleaned these things up to almost new condition, including one of the blue ones that had been painted completely black and had it's excellent original finish still underneath. That was a gamble that paid off. > I have to say, these were the last of the good sounding Rowe 45 jukes for a while. They got particularly gravelly sounding after this. They all sound great (anything sub par got a rebuilt or replacement amplifier), and one of the R-88s (with the flourishes on the lower grills) sounds like a crisp CD player. I've never heard such absolute crystal clear treble out of another, and we had tons of these on route in the 1980s and 1990s. > > He uses only C8 or better records, and as you can see, he's got the title boards out of most of them so you can see the extra clean insides. ? > > I'm not sure if it's obsession over this model, or the desire to have all his records loaded and played similarly, but I convinced him to give one to his daughter for safekeeping and look for something different, maybe one of the smaller AMIs from the late 1960s to early 1970s so he can have one in the house. He's got this model nailed down and it's time to learn some electro-mechanical stuff. ?He's actually got room for two or three inside, but I think he can't decide which ones! > > After a fun day of jukeboxes, lunch, record shopping, he and his wife took me to dinner at Angelo's, where there's a 1973 Seeburg SPS2, the Matador, in good condition still playing after all these years. > Apparently Ron Rich services it and it works great. > Ron, jack up the treble on that thing! (Trust me). > > Here's a photo of seven of his eight jukeboxes. One's up at summer cottage in Oregon. > I didn't think to take the camera to the restaurant. The Seeburg is in excellent condition. > This photo probably looks like several operator's back roons circa 1984. > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Donsjukes.jpg?t=1262555916 > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > ???? ???? ???? ? ???? ???? ? > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 08:36:56 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 4 08:38:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited-resent In-Reply-To: <502654.47567.qm@web112506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <836558.20778.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dick, You too need to be "pun-ished" !! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dick Habegger wrote: From: Dick Habegger Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Warped vinyls revisited-resent To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 7:29 PM Hi Ron, You haven't looked at my warped records! But then, I haven't played them on a Seeburg either. We do not get damping in the desert; too dry! (h-m-m-m) I have tried them on my RO, per Jim's comments. Dick Habegger Phelan, CA Ron Rich wrote: Dick, >What can I say, except "get a Seeburg", which has "damping action" and will play warped records better than the jukes you have---? Ron Rich > Dick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Jan 4 10:05:33 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Mon Jan 4 10:14:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) In-Reply-To: References: <612169.97256.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've never tried this, but couldn't you get an 1/8" mini Y adapter with RCA males at the other end to go from the turntable to the MIC-IN on the sound card? It sounds to me like this would work. Anyone else ever try this? Aaron On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Chris Ralph wrote: > Yes cheap is one way to put it. Those that described a plastic turntable, > etc are correct, it's nothing too special. > > I know old fashioned is the way to go - but I don't have an old style > turntable handy, so I picked up the USB version. The whole concept was > "quick, easy, reasonably good sound" so I could "mass record" boxloads of > 45s for others (in return I get to keep the originals for my wurlitzer). > Personally I just buy the CD if there's a song I want, but that would be $$ > for dozens of singles at a time. > > > On another note, someone here mentioned a sound card with preamp built in ? > (so I could feed phono straight into the PC) I'd be interested to see this - > I know creative labs makes some high end stuff. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Pitts" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls > revisited) > > > USB turntables might be the way to go, but I'm the old fashioned type that > uses the real thing. I have a Gates, 16" turntable, run it through an > audio > mixer, then use Acoustica's "Spin It Again" program for recording. Doing > it > this way gives me the ability to clean scratchy vinyl, adjust EQ, and do > just about anything I want to the music. Quality is about as good as it > gets for digital. Another negative with the USB system is that the > construction of the tone arm and platter are CHEAP. I believe I will > create > a new page on my web site for this subject. www.kjq.us.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" < > david_breneman@yahoo.com> > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls > revisited) > > > --- On Sun, 1/3/10, luke & lucy wrote: > > ...if you already have a decent turntable you can buy a cable >> such as AudCap USB Audio Capture available in the UK for >> around ?30 in the UK and probably much cheaper in the >> States. As well as being much cheaper than a new deck you >> have the added advantage of being able to connect to most >> amps and so can copy all your old cassettes, 8tracks, or >> whatever to digital. >> > > I think, though, that any such product should come with > the warning "For Casual Listening Only." Remember, when > you pay ?30 for such a cable, you are getting a A-D > converter which costs much less than that total. > Professional studios and even serious amateurs still pay > thousands of dollars for A-D/D-A converters because a > cheap one is... well... *cheap*. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Jan 4 10:17:51 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Mon Jan 4 10:19:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) In-Reply-To: References: <612169.97256.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004601ca8d6a$3a6619a0$af324ce0$@force9.co.uk> The mic in is mono and a different impedance, so it won't work very well. However the line in on the sound card does. If your sound card has a 1/8 inch jack plug then the Y adapter to Phono will work (on line in) but not on the mic input. Regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron H Sent: 04 January 2010 18:06 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls revisited) I've never tried this, but couldn't you get an 1/8" mini Y adapter with RCA males at the other end to go from the turntable to the MIC-IN on the sound card? It sounds to me like this would work. Anyone else ever try this? Aaron On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Chris Ralph wrote: > Yes cheap is one way to put it. Those that described a plastic turntable, > etc are correct, it's nothing too special. > > I know old fashioned is the way to go - but I don't have an old style > turntable handy, so I picked up the USB version. The whole concept was > "quick, easy, reasonably good sound" so I could "mass record" boxloads of > 45s for others (in return I get to keep the originals for my wurlitzer). > Personally I just buy the CD if there's a song I want, but that would be $$ > for dozens of singles at a time. > > > On another note, someone here mentioned a sound card with preamp built in ? > (so I could feed phono straight into the PC) I'd be interested to see this - > I know creative labs makes some high end stuff. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Pitts" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls > revisited) > > > USB turntables might be the way to go, but I'm the old fashioned type that > uses the real thing. I have a Gates, 16" turntable, run it through an > audio > mixer, then use Acoustica's "Spin It Again" program for recording. Doing > it > this way gives me the ability to clean scratchy vinyl, adjust EQ, and do > just about anything I want to the music. Quality is about as good as it > gets for digital. Another negative with the USB system is that the > construction of the tone arm and platter are CHEAP. I believe I will > create > a new page on my web site for this subject. www.kjq.us.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" < > david_breneman@yahoo.com> > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables (was: Warped vinyls > revisited) > > > --- On Sun, 1/3/10, luke & lucy wrote: > > ...if you already have a decent turntable you can buy a cable >> such as AudCap USB Audio Capture available in the UK for >> around ?30 in the UK and probably much cheaper in the >> States. As well as being much cheaper than a new deck you >> have the added advantage of being able to connect to most >> amps and so can copy all your old cassettes, 8tracks, or >> whatever to digital. >> > > I think, though, that any such product should come with > the warning "For Casual Listening Only." Remember, when > you pay ?30 for such a cable, you are getting a A-D > converter which costs much less than that total. > Professional studios and even serious amateurs still pay > thousands of dollars for A-D/D-A converters because a > cheap one is... well... *cheap*. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 4 10:22:56 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Jan 4 10:24:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan slug rejector needed Message-ID: <692317.97702.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> After spending a lovely Sunday afternoon chatting over the phone with Aaron H. I have come to realize that the slug rejector in my 1947 Trashcan is not the original one. To make matters worse, it does not appear to even be correct for this model juke. Here are some pix of what my coin assemblies look like: http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Coin%20Grinder/ The last picture is from a recent eBay auction. This, I believe, is what the slug ejector should look like. So, before I send emails to all of the off-list suppliers I wanted to put out a APB to see if any list members might have one for sale. I only need the top part of the coin mechanism. The bottom credit switch assembly seems to correct and working OK. Thanks! Bob - Chicago email me off-list at NotarySojac@SBCGlobal.net Foo! From jay at west.net Mon Jan 4 10:42:07 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jan 4 10:43:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables In-Reply-To: References: <612169.97256.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B42367F.9050304@west.net> Aaron H wrote: > I've never tried this, but couldn't you get an 1/8" mini Y adapter with RCA > males at the other end to go from the turntable to the MIC-IN on the sound > card? It sounds to me like this would work. Anyone else ever try this? > Aaron You will probably get audio through it, but... There are two issues with this. The first is that the level of a magnetic cartridge is very low, on the order of 5 millivolts. For the sound card to process this it will likely have substantial internal noise that will mix with the signal. Computer microphones are typically electret type with a built-in preamp. The other issue is that the raw frequency response of phonograph records is far from "flat". High frequencies are boosted in recording and need to be reduced on playback. This is done deliberately according to a relatively complex specification of RIAA from back in the 1950s. It is certainly possible to implement the RIAA playback equalization in software but amplifying the signal to the point that internal hum and noise from the computer systems isn't a significant factor is still an issue. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization As others have mentioned, some very recent USB turntables may have analog "line out" jacks, with the preamplifier built in to the turntable. Also as others have mentioned, the quality of these turntables isn't always the greatest. Very nice quality old-school turntables show up on Craigslist and at thrift stores from time to time. These will require an RIAA phono preamp for reasonable results. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinball at telus.net Mon Jan 4 11:01:33 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Jan 4 11:03:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan slug rejector needed In-Reply-To: <692317.97702.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <692317.97702.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B423B0D.20104@telus.net> NotarySojac wrote: > After spending a lovely Sunday afternoon chatting over the phone with Aaron H. I have come to realize that > the slug rejector in my 1947 Trashcan is not the original one. To make matters worse, it does not appear > to even be correct for this model juke. > > Here are some pix of what my coin assemblies look like: > http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Coin%20Grinder/ > The last picture is from a recent eBay auction. This, I believe, is what the slug ejector should look like. > > So, before I send emails to all of the off-list suppliers I wanted to put out a APB to see if any list members > might have one for sale. I only need the top part of the coin mechanism. The bottom credit switch assembly > seems to correct and working OK. > > Thanks! > > Bob - Chicago > email me off-list at NotarySojac@SBCGlobal.net > Foo! > The coin acceptor installed in your machine is roughly from the late 1970s, the one in the ebay auction is about the same era. They will work in your machine - you just need to make sure that the quarter accept slot fits over the correct slot in the coin switch stack, the same for the dime and nickel. Older coin acceptors are around...but other than originality there is no advantage for your machine. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jay at west.net Mon Jan 4 11:06:47 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jan 4 11:08:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan slug rejector needed In-Reply-To: <692317.97702.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <692317.97702.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B423C47.30606@west.net> NotarySojac wrote: > After spending a lovely Sunday afternoon chatting over the phone with Aaron H. I have come to realize that > the slug rejector in my 1947 Trashcan is not the original one. To make matters worse, it does not appear > to even be correct for this model juke. > > Here are some pix of what my coin assemblies look like: > http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Coin%20Grinder/ > The last picture is from a recent eBay auction. This, I believe, is what the slug ejector should look like. Both of these look to be slightly different flavors of the very common 5-10-25 National rejector that has been in use forever. What isn't visible in either and seems to have been removed from your unit by filing or grinding is a connection to the scavenger or "coin-return" button. When a coin is deposited in these units, one of three things happen: 1. The coin travels through the various innards and is accepted, exiting through one of the three output slots and hitting the nickel, dime, or quarter coin switch after which it lands in the cash bag. 2. The coin is rejected and travels directly to the coin return chute. 3. The coin is rejected and "hangs" in the mechanism. It can be released to the coin return by depressing a "coin return" button or lever on the machine. If the Trashcan doesn't have a coin return button linked to the rejector, then it won't be long before a bent, bad, or wrong coin gets stuck (case 3 above) and requires you to manually activate the reject feature on the rejector. Obviously the Trashcan is a very early use of the National rejector (assuming that the one on EBay is correct) and perhaps the scavenger button is configured differently on the early rejectors. You may need to figure out the linkage originally used. If the Trashcan has no coin-return button then odds are that neither rejector is correct. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From cew142 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 11:35:36 2010 From: cew142 at yahoo.com (Jay) Date: Mon Jan 4 11:43:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem Message-ID: <40134.87427.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My mechanism has an issue that I am not familiar with. On a good mechanism: After I select a record for the first time, the mechanism moves over to the record, selects and plays great. After tripping the record and placing it back, the mechanism "should" start scanning for any other record smoothly. My problem is once the record is placed back, the mechanism sort of bucks and clicks for a second before smoothly searching for another record to play. If I select D1 and D3, it sometimes misses D3 and replays D1. Any ideas? I did rebuild the amp, selection receiver. I have oiled the mechanism per the Seeburg instructions with light weight (10W) zoom spout turbine oil. Thanks in advance! From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jan 4 12:09:59 2010 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Mon Jan 4 12:12:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: RE: nsm 240 record transfer arm adjustments References: <6540c3a2ff9e.4b3cc795@wright.edu><470A509F93C74CDBAAD9EF193C2C4FA9@JUKEBUS> <64f0bdd2d309.4b41323c@wright.edu> Message-ID: <4DCBF2CF69C749DAA612CC1E5C877579@JUKEBUS> ....When it's off the track you get the error because it can't find the optical reference point. When it's on the track you get the error because it's not moving at the correct speed - so yes, I do think this is the only thing causing the error. If you have access to a machine shop then you should be able to fix it - check the camshaft for side play caused by an oval hole through the centre. If this is OK then look at the roller that runs on the cam shaft and operates the record lift arm. NSM fitted several different sizes or roller, almost a "select on test" item, so it's difficult to say what size it should be! If the cam shaft has no side play then it's got to be this roller. With the mech in scan position, put a shim or feeler guage in between the camshaft and the roller - observe the lift arm position to determine the size of roller required. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dexter Minneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: RE: nsm 240 record transfer arm adjustments so so from what your saying this is prolly a not to fun problem. one question i have though is do you think that this is the only thing that is causing the 060 carriage error even when it is off the track or maybe there might be something else as well. If it is just the cam then i have access to a machine shop to help me repair it. Dexter J Minneman reigonal manager student painters cell# (937)684-1352 ----- Original Message ----- From: Juke of Shrewsbury Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010 12:29 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: RE: nsm 240 record transfer arm adjustments To: Jukebox mailing list > ...This is a common problem on these mechs, and unfortunately > it's not very > easy to fix. What happens is that the camshaft bearings or the > roller that > operates the lift arm become worn and this causes the arm not to > return to > the fully down position. The "gearing" ratio is high so it only > needs a few > thou (~20?) ware at the roller end to cause 1/2" misalignment at > the lifting > end. The solution is to replace the roller, the camshaft or > both. I have > also drilled out and sleeved the inside of a camshaft - when I > could not > find any others! > Best of luck with it. > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dexter Minneman" > To: "jukebox-list" > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:47 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: RE: nsm 240 record transfer arm > adjustments > > well the mech is not bent it just kinda clicks on the bottom > after it moves > a bit it throws a 060 error which i have found to mean that > there is a > caraige jam. when i bought it the guys said t worked until they > moved it and > the carriage fell off. i put it back on and keep getting the 060 > error no > matter what i do. is it possible that im not putting the > carriage on in the > right place. > > > Dexter J Minneman > reigonal manager > student painters > cell# (937)684-1352 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release > Date: 12/30/09 > 07:27:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2598 - Release Date: 01/03/10 09:41:00 From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 4 12:24:58 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Jan 4 12:26:37 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan slug rejector needed Message-ID: <389422.88204.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to Jay and John for your insights. My Trashcan (mercifully) does have the coin return button intact and in the cabinet (along with it's spring and circlip). However it is absolutely not lining up with anything remotely resembling a coin return switch on the rejector. In fact, I do not see ANY coin reject lever or button on the rejector at all! I had a couple of quarters hang up in it and the only way to get them to fall through was to literally bang on the rejector! Likewise, I have a coin reject chute (sitting in the bottom of the cabinet, out of view in those pix) that should fit into a slot in the cabinet. Problem is that the rejector is sitting too low for the chute to be installed where it is supposed to go. I'm grateful that whoever last owned this box had the foresight to hang on to the button and chute when the "new 1970s" rejector got installed! The button pushing into thin air and the chute not being in its rightful place was the dead giveaway that something is not right with that rejector. I'd like to get both items operational so the only way to get there is to buy a "proper" rejector that'll fit well. If no one on the list has one then tomorrow it's off to Durfee-land etc.. Bob Jay sez: >Both of these look to be slightly different flavors of the very common >5-10-25 National rejector that has been in use forever. > >What isn't visible in either and seems to have been removed from your >unit by filing or grinding is a connection to the scavenger or >"coin-return" button. > >When a coin is deposited in these units, one of three things happen: > >1. The coin travels through the various innards and is accepted, >exiting through one of the three output slots and hitting the nickel, >dime, or quarter coin switch after which it lands in the cash bag. >2. The coin is rejected and travels directly to the coin return chute. >3. The coin is rejected and "hangs" in the mechanism. It can be >released to the coin return by depressing a "coin return" button or >lever on the machine. > >If the Trashcan doesn't have a coin return button linked to the >rejector, then it won't be long before a bent, bad, or wrong coin gets >stuck (case 3 above) and requires you to manually activate the reject >feature on the rejector. >Obviously the Trashcan is a very early use of the National rejector >(assuming that the one on EBay is correct) and perhaps the scavenger >button is configured differently on the early rejectors. You may need >to figure out the linkage originally used. > >If the Trashcan has no coin-return button then odds are that neither >rejector is correct. From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jan 4 12:52:47 2010 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Mon Jan 4 12:54:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Abused Princesses (Rockola 1493) Thermistors, pinbank pins References: <4B3C46D4.1060405@west.net> <1728EDB194BF49ACA4D19E6B67408C0C@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: OK, I looked for that Thermistor sub part number and I can't find it. I did however find the part number of the original - it's a VECO 35A21. Hope this helps, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juke of Shrewsbury" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Abused Princesses (Rockola 1493) Thermistors,pinbank pins I have re-built a few of these amps (actually close to 30 of them!) and have only found the thermistors missing on 2 of them. I did find a suitable substitute and it appeared to work well. That was a few years ago, I think (Hope!) that I noted it in my manual, I will check at the workshop tomorrow and post the type number if I have it. As you noted Jay, without the thermistor the gain is too high. I wondered if they were removed by someone trying to "fix" a low gain issue somewhere else in the amp. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 6:38 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Abused Princesses (Rockola 1493) Thermistors,pinbank pins Things always seem to happen in multiples. I find myself with two Rockola 1493 Princess jukes, one for myself and fixing one for a friend. Interestingly, both have the same issues. As far as I know they came from different backgrounds and weren't on the same route. On the amplifier as James Alexander noticed when I posted previous pictures, the thermistors have been clipped out. This is true of BOTH amplifiers. I assumed that these were for some type of temperature compensation and not critical. However, the thermistors in these amplifiers are deployed in a very clever manner. The thermistor is part of a negative feedback loop between the high side of the volume control and the input stage. Lower resistance decreases the overall gain. The designer used the self-heating and time constant of the thermistor as the control element in the AVC. Higher volume causes increased current flow which warms the thermistor. This reduces the gain, lowering the volume. Very clever. One inexpensive part replaces the audio rectifier tube, time constant capacitors, etc. found in typical AVC circuits. Of course this could lead to volume variations if the box is used in an area where the temperature varies a lot, but underneath the amplifier after things have been powered in a while should be relatively stable in terms of temperature. The bad news is that two relatively obscure specifications of the thermistor become important. The dissipation factor (how much self-heating per milliwatt of power through the device) and the time constant in air (how long to cool down once the source of heat is removed). Rockola just lists the part as #32497 with no specs at all. With the thermistors removed there is no AVC and the voltage gain is about five times rated at the top of the volume control. A 1K resistor makes the gain about as specified, 3.0V at the volume control test point for 0.18 volts input. My thoughts are that a 1K NTC thermistor ought to be about right. Time constants vary from 4 to 15 seconds for suitable parts and dissipation from 0.75 mW per degree C to 4 mW per degree C. I'm leaning towards the more sensitive part, they're cheap enough at a couple of bucks each to try more than one. This is the one I think will be a good fit: http://sensing.honeywell.com/index.cfm?ci_id=140301&la_id=1&pr_id=145496 Has anyone substituted these before and if so what part did you use? Any clue as to the OEM part Rockola used? The other strange thing is that there are pins missing from both pinbanks in near identical positions. Both "B" sides and both near the top of the drum assembly. One is missing one pin and the other is missing two. I can't imagine how this could happen short of someone forcefully removing them or disassembling the pinbank. Pictures here: http://www.west.net/~jay/images/1493pin1.jpg http://www.west.net/~jay/images/1493pin2.jpg http://www.west.net/~jay/images/1493pin3.jpg Is it possible to remove and/or replace the pins without completely disassembling the pinbank? I have a junker pinbank from a 160-select unit that I can use to rob pins, assuming that they're the same. Any idea how/why this was done? Do pins frequently get damaged or broken on these units? 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2598 - Release Date: 01/03/10 09:41:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 13:08:58 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Jan 4 13:10:37 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: AMi G200 Series 900 Motor Pin Pusher issue In-Reply-To: <000601ca8d0a$8d6c8810$a8459830$@on.net> Message-ID: <927552.53709.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'm Cc'ing this back to the list since I'm away from both my machine and manuals, and going by memory is always a danger zone for me. :-) If I say something dumb here, someone please correct me! --- On Sun, 1/3/10, Jeffrey Black wrote: > 1. Holding the arm on the switch may be a problem, should > it just have tripped it. As it was picking and transferring, > I let go of the switch arm, and the cycling stopped, > start-stop, start-stop as I applied/released pressure on the > switch arm Hi, Jeffrey - I'm at work, and my manual is at home, but I believe that the contact on the pin switch is supposed to power the transfer motor until the record sets down on the turntable. When the transfer arm opens, the pin is reset and the transfer cycle stops. So that part of it seems to be working. You're 1/4 there! :-) It seems that the circuits for the DC motors are dodgey and will need to be traced. Have you cleaned the contacts and slip rings for the arm with the pin switches (can't remember the canonical name for this)? > 2. The cut-off microswitch clicked but nothing happened > other than muting the amplifier (which it should) > 3. No reversing obviously, so turn power off and hand crank > it through the armature of the gripper motor (slow and > painful!!) One of the leaf switches activated by the transfer arm should provide power to reverse the transfer motor and send it back to the rack. When it comes to rest over the rack, the power to the arm is cut and the power to the rack motor is restored. I'm thinking that there is something wrong in those leaf switches. They really control the transfer cycle more than anything. > 4. No reaction when I tried the other switch - I guess the > A-Side switching It could be the switch itself, or it could be the slip rings/brushes. From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jan 4 13:38:32 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jan 4 13:41:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem Message-ID: Re: AY-100 stuttering clutch. Ouch! EEK! For the zillionth time, avoid 3 in 1 (red can) and Zoom Spout. Both are paraffin based and can eventually clog up stuff, especially motors and other parts with felt wicks. I use a Zoom Spout, but replaced the oil in it with synthetic oil. That said, other than the motor cups, it should be generally OK on a Seeburg. Don't panic. Those things'll run dry for eons, little troopers that they are. My AY160 does exactly the same thing until it's warm. I haven't had a chance to delve into it for a cleaning and lube job yet. Just threw it together and have let it sit for a couple months now. This is most likely a clutch sticking on the vertical shaft, so needs to be lubed from the rear. Could be a little worn or bound up with old grease or oil that's turned to varnish. If I remember correctly, it needs to fall into place and if it's sticky, gravity won't quite cut it. Tri-Flow is a good lube with Teflon that I've found will really penetrate and loosen varnished parts in pretty short order. The light base and Teflon work in and rejuvenate old grease and oil. Anyway, if you scan it all the way to the right (from the front) you should be able to look in and see the shaft from the back. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From pinball at telus.net Mon Jan 4 14:57:23 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Jan 4 14:59:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem In-Reply-To: <40134.87427.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <40134.87427.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B427253.4040309@telus.net> Jay wrote: > My mechanism has an issue that I am not familiar with. > > On a good mechanism: After I select a record for the first time, the mechanism moves over to the record, selects and plays great. After tripping the record and placing it back, the mechanism "should" start scanning for any other record smoothly. > > My problem is once the record is placed back, the mechanism sort of bucks and clicks for a second before smoothly searching for another record to play. If I select D1 and D3, it sometimes misses D3 and replays D1. > > Any ideas? > > I did rebuild the amp, selection receiver. I have oiled the mechanism per the Seeburg instructions with light weight (10W) zoom spout turbine oil. > > Thanks in advance! > > > This is likely clutch tower problems - mostly caused by the pivots seizing and the unit often has to be taken apart to free it up permanently. If you can remove the record rack (noting the alignment - scratch the metal and the base) and try to manually move the levers you will probably figure out which one is seized... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From kjq45 at att.net Mon Jan 4 15:18:38 2010 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Jan 4 15:26:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables References: <612169.97256.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B42367F.9050304@west.net> Message-ID: <931F26C87EEF4E2FB9D4F72EE1C8CFA1@D41XWQ61> You can not connect a turntable directly to a computer. It will sound terrible. A phono preamp is required and you will need AUX in on your computer. If you do not have an AUX, you will need a sound card that gives you one. You can not use MIC for an input. Buy a cheap audio mixer from Ebay. That will give you a good impedance match and some external control. You will also need a program if you plan on converting the music from vinyl to digital. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT: USB Turntables > Aaron H wrote: >> I've never tried this, but couldn't you get an 1/8" mini Y adapter with >> RCA >> males at the other end to go from the turntable to the MIC-IN on the >> sound >> card? It sounds to me like this would work. Anyone else ever try this? >> Aaron > > You will probably get audio through it, but... > > There are two issues with this. The first is that the level of a magnetic > cartridge is very low, on the order of 5 millivolts. For the sound card > to process this it will likely have substantial internal noise that will > mix with the signal. Computer microphones are typically electret type > with a built-in preamp. > > The other issue is that the raw frequency response of phonograph records > is far from "flat". High frequencies are boosted in recording and need to > be reduced on playback. This is done deliberately according to a > relatively complex specification of RIAA from back in the 1950s. > > It is certainly possible to implement the RIAA playback equalization in > software but amplifying the signal to the point that internal hum and > noise from the computer systems isn't a significant factor is still an > issue. > > See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization > > As others have mentioned, some very recent USB turntables may have analog > "line out" jacks, with the preamplifier built in to the turntable. Also > as others have mentioned, the quality of these turntables isn't always the > greatest. > > Very nice quality old-school turntables show up on Craigslist and at > thrift stores from time to time. These will require an RIAA phono preamp > for reasonable results. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinball at telus.net Mon Jan 4 15:50:24 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Jan 4 15:52:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem In-Reply-To: <40134.87427.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <40134.87427.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B427EC0.8090707@telus.net> Jay wrote: > My mechanism has an issue that I am not familiar with. > > On a good mechanism: After I select a record for the first time, the mechanism moves over to the record, selects and plays great. After tripping the record and placing it back, the mechanism "should" start scanning for any other record smoothly. > > My problem is once the record is placed back, the mechanism sort of bucks and clicks for a second before smoothly searching for another record to play. If I select D1 and D3, it sometimes misses D3 and replays D1. > > Any ideas? > > I did rebuild the amp, selection receiver. I have oiled the mechanism per the Seeburg instructions with light weight (10W) zoom spout turbine oil. > > Thanks in advance! > > I've added some pictures of the suspect on my web site: http://www.flippers.com/Seeburg-trblshoot.html Just scroll down a bit to the side view of the clutch tower... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From mikeberger at msn.com Mon Jan 4 15:56:52 2010 From: mikeberger at msn.com (Michael Berger) Date: Mon Jan 4 15:58:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Turntable speed - how accurate should it be? Message-ID: My question is related to my RO 1454, but I guess to all jukes in general, and that is: How accurate should the turntable speed be, or what is the acceptable +/- rpms? I have one of the paper strobe discs that I lay on the tt, and its never spot on 45rpm while playing a record. My idler wheel is new and there is no grease on the inner tt lip. Line voltage is 125V. It seems to sound "better" after its "warmed up" a bit, or is this my imagination.?As with other refurbs that I do, I can be a little OCD about getting things right, so I just wanted to know what level of accuracy is acceptable. Thanks, Mike P.S. Heres a vid of the juke in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDyOnmcC9ck&feature=email From jay at west.net Mon Jan 4 16:31:22 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jan 4 16:32:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Turntable speed - how accurate should it be? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B42885A.1010200@west.net> Michael Berger wrote: > My question is related to my RO 1454, but I guess to all jukes in general, and that is: > > How accurate should the turntable speed be, or what is the acceptable +/- rpms? Theoretically it should be spot on. Turntable motors are synchronized to the same power line as the lamp illuminating the strobe disk, so if it was designed properly it should be very accurate. However, lubricants do get gummy after years, bearings wear out, etc. Absolute speed difference isn't as noticeable to the ear as speed variations. A warble in sustained piano notes is much more obvious than a turntable playing slightly slow. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From cew142 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 17:50:34 2010 From: cew142 at yahoo.com (Jay) Date: Mon Jan 4 17:52:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <149050.39152.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am confused. Are all zoom spout oils paraffin based oils? I noticed there are very many oils that are placed into the zoom spout container. Mine is made by Markel. MARKAL part number 79704. I bought it at Grainger.com I looked on the internet and no where did I read it was paraffin based. Is it? What specific oil do you recommend and where do you get it? Thanks to all that replied! I will investigate my problem more specifically and let you know. --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > From: Mechanical Music of S.F. > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 4:38 PM > > Re: AY-100 stuttering clutch. > > Ouch! EEK! For the zillionth time, avoid 3 in 1 (red can) > and Zoom Spout. Both are paraffin based and can eventually > clog up stuff, especially motors and other parts with felt > wicks. > I use a Zoom Spout, but replaced the oil in it with > synthetic oil. > That said, other than the motor cups, it should be > generally OK on a Seeburg. Don't panic. > Those things'll run dry for eons, little troopers that they > are. > > My AY160 does exactly the same thing until it's warm. I > haven't had a chance to delve into it for a cleaning and > lube job yet. Just threw it together and have let it sit for > a couple months now. > This is most likely a clutch sticking on the vertical > shaft, so needs to be lubed from the rear. Could be a little > worn or bound up with old grease or oil that's turned to > varnish. If I remember correctly, it needs to fall into > place and if it's sticky, gravity won't quite cut it. > Tri-Flow is a good lube with Teflon that I've found will > really penetrate and loosen varnished parts in pretty short > order. The light base and Teflon work in and rejuvenate old > grease and oil. > > Anyway, if you scan it all the way to the right (from the > front) you should be able to look in and see the shaft from > the back. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > ??? > ???????? > ?????? ??? > ? > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail > Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From bmet09 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 18:13:56 2010 From: bmet09 at yahoo.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Mon Jan 4 18:15:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: OT: USB Turntables Message-ID: <775865.2692.qm@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Chris & Jay, My current setup for recording audio to my computer is as follows: (I am copying cassette tapes but the same setup using a "Home Theater" type receiver/amplifier can be substituted. Of course, a TT will have to be connected to the phono input.) Starting with a Teac Dual Cassette Player/Recorder, the output is connected to an A/V Three position Selector. I had been using a SONY audio selector/monitor, but it wore out. I modified the current selector by jumpering the Output of No. 1 to No. 2. I fed one output to a receiver for monitoring my playback. >From the Selector, the signal went to the computer which had a PCI card installed. This card is the key to the setup: M-Audio, Delta Audiophile 2496, 4-In/4-Out Audio Card with MIDI and Digital I/O, 24-bit, 96kHz processing. http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496.html I have a VISTA system for the computer. This company provides drivers for it. I do not know if Windows 7 is compatable. I hesitate to install it. I hope this gives an insight to one method of recording audio from any source. One "quick look" at the audio recording is to use WINAMP (free download). It shows the bite rate and frequency of the recording. Oh yes, I save my files as an mp3 type to save memory. WAVE files are too large. But then, what is one Terabyte to another? An external 1.0Tb drive costs less than computer memory expansion a few years ago. My first computer was a Heath/Zenith H-89. The 5 Mb External Hard Drive cost me $3,600 USD. Dick Habegger Phelan, CA Chris Ralph wrote: > On another note, someone here mentioned a sound card with preamp built > in ? (so I could feed phono straight into the PC) I'd be interested to > see this - I know creative labs makes some high end stuff. I'm unaware of any sound card with RIAA magnetic phono input. You can get a mag phono preamp for about $20 and use it with any sound card. http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-PP400-Ultra-Compact-Phono-Preamp/dp/B000H2BC4E/ Where size matters: http://tinyurl.com/ygzec8l -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV ________________________________ Dick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] From cly21 at aol.com Mon Jan 4 20:12:53 2010 From: cly21 at aol.com (cly21@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 4 20:14:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? Message-ID: <8CC5BD47CDFB60D-1E68-16B0E@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> My next issue: My 1493 seems to drop in volume when a song has a high treble section with nothing else. The amplifier was rebuilt by Bill Bickers, I had the small speaker replaced with a NOS rockola speaker, the 12" Jensen is original but seems to be fine. Could this be a problem with the crossover from the large speaker to the small speaker during a high treble part? Although the amp was totally rebuilt and the small speaker is new..the small speaker seems to have very little output. Is this typical of this setup...12" and 6x9 combination? I assume you wouldn't want to drive too much through the "6x9" speaker or it could be damaged. Overall the jukebox has great volume, I just notice this on certain sections of certain songs where there is mainly high treble like a guitar lead. Again, any advise would be greatly appreciated. Jeff From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jan 4 20:30:10 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jan 4 20:31:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Turntable speed - how accurate should it be? Message-ID: As a club DJ, we manipulate the speed of the music to match each other. It's generally known that it's less noticeable for a record to be going a little too fast, than too slow, up to a couple percent. It's a perception thing, but it's just much more obvious if you slow it down. If we have to mix something in slower because it's a higher BPM (beats per minute), we generally try to bump the pitch back up gently at least somewhere closer to "0" before the vocal starts. Warbling is always noticeable. If your strobe shows that it's significantly slow, see what you can do to get it up to speed. If it's a touch too fast, it's generally OK. Nobody will notice. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jan 4 20:41:23 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jan 4 20:42:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem Message-ID: Zoom Spout is a name brand, not just a style of bottle. I have a Zoom Spout brand bottle and it says it's paraffin based right on the bottle itself. it's the standard turbine oil bottle you can get at hardware stores. There's a Zoom Spout oil for sewing machines that may not be paraffin based, but I'm not sure. You can call them or email. Here's their website. http://www.zoomspoutoiler.com/ Again, don't freak out. You haven't done any damage. Repeated oiling in wicked areas can clog them up, though. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jan 4 21:01:00 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jan 4 21:02:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: OT: USB Turntables Message-ID: You also don't want to use the "mic" input. You'll only get one of the channels. Left one, I think. Sound will come out of both speakers, but it'll be once channel bridged. It's a difference of plug thing. Most decent sound cards (at least used to) have all three. A microphone (in), speakers (out), and a stereo input (in), all 1/8". I go from turntable to preamp into the soundcard, and can adjust the input level in audio properties. My transfers sound amazing. I'm using a Technics 1200 MKII turntable and a Stanton 680 EL cartridge. My conversion program, the old Roxio 5. It'll do pop removal, but I only run that at about 8% or it can affect the recording weirdly. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From jay at west.net Mon Jan 4 21:09:59 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jan 4 21:11:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? In-Reply-To: <8CC5BD47CDFB60D-1E68-16B0E@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5BD47CDFB60D-1E68-16B0E@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B42C9A7.7000206@west.net> cly21@aol.com wrote: > My next issue: > > My 1493 seems to drop in volume when a song has a high treble section with nothing else. The amplifier was rebuilt by Bill Bickers, I had the small speaker replaced with a NOS rockola speaker, the 12" Jensen is original but seems to be fine. Could this be a problem with the crossover from the large speaker to the small speaker during a high treble part? Although the amp was totally rebuilt and the small speaker is new..the small speaker seems to have very little output. Is this typical of this setup...12" and 6x9 combination? I assume you wouldn't want to drive too much through the "6x9" speaker or it could be damaged. The original isn't a 6 x 9. It's a compression horn driver. There is a 10 microfarad electrolytic capacitor in the crossover on the front door which could be bad. Probably best to replace it with a film type. If you have a 6 x 9 paper cone for the tweeter in that machine, the resulting sound won't be as intended. Keep in mind also that the 1493 Princess is really at its best when used with external speakers. The sound system is stereo but the cabinet speaker monaural only. It can be used solely with external speakers for stereo or in a "hybrid" mode with the cabinet speaker as a center channel. > Overall the jukebox has great volume, I just notice this on certain sections of certain songs where there is mainly high treble like a guitar lead. Again, any advise would be greatly appreciated. There has been recent discussion here about the unusual AVC in the amplifier used on these models. I'm still doing some tweaking and experimenting in this area. It could be related. Does the volume start out normal on the guitar lead and then drop after a few seconds of extended treble? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Mon Jan 4 21:31:26 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jan 4 21:33:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem In-Reply-To: <149050.39152.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <149050.39152.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B42CEAE.2030208@west.net> Jay wrote: > I am confused. Are all zoom spout oils paraffin based oils? I noticed there are very many oils that are placed into the zoom spout container. Mine is made by Markel. MARKAL part number 79704. I bought it at Grainger.com I looked on the internet and no where did I read it was paraffin based. Is it? What specific oil do you recommend and where do you get it? I strongly suspect that "Zoom-Spout" is a brand name applied primarily to the container and not necessarily uniquely to the contents. I purchased some "Zoom-Spout Sewing Machine Oil", part # 1749 from a sewing machine store locally that I've used on all jukebox mechs calling for oil. It is a clear non-detergent oil. The bottle specifically refers to it as sewing machine oil. I have also seen "Zoom-spout" oil in hardware stores that looks, feels, and and smells much different. It's a darker yellow and seems to resemble automotive motor oil. Zoomspoutoiler.com claims that theirs is 10-wt non-detergent turbine oil. I think this is the stuff found in hardware stores. Some links to add to the confusion: http://www.sewingpartsdirect.com/alphasew-zoom-spout-sewing-machine-oil.aspx http://www.zoomspoutoiler.com/ http://www.amazon.com/Dial-Mfg-Zoom-Spout-Cooler/dp/B000ARGX68 -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 22:49:02 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 4 22:50:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan slug rejector needed In-Reply-To: <692317.97702.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <411624.59233.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, It would appear to me that there should be no problem---it looks like you just have a later model top half --same brand (National) "Slug Rejetor". What problem(s) are you having with it ?? BTW--It 's not a "grinder"--only Wurly used those---? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/4/10, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan slug rejector needed To: "Jukebox List" Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 10:22 AM After spending a lovely Sunday afternoon chatting over the phone with Aaron H. I have come to realize that the slug rejector in my 1947 Trashcan is not the original one. To make matters worse, it does not appear to even be correct for this model juke. Here are some pix of what my coin assemblies look like: http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Coin%20Grinder/ The last picture is from a recent eBay auction. This, I believe, is what the slug ejector should look like. So, before I send emails to all of the off-list suppliers I wanted to put out a APB to see if any list members might have one for sale. I only need the top part of the coin mechanism. The bottom credit switch assembly seems to correct and working OK. Thanks! Bob - Chicago email me off-list at NotarySojac@SBCGlobal.net Foo! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Tue Jan 5 00:10:55 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jan 5 00:12:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan slug rejector needed In-Reply-To: <389422.88204.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <389422.88204.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B42F40F.5040307@west.net> NotarySojac wrote: > Thanks to Jay and John for your insights. > > My Trashcan (mercifully) does have the coin return button intact and in the cabinet (along with it's spring and circlip). > However it is absolutely not lining up with anything remotely resembling a coin return switch on the rejector. > In fact, I do not see ANY coin reject lever or button on the rejector at all! I had a couple of quarters hang up in it > and the only way to get them to fall through was to literally bang on the rejector! It appears that some of the reject actuator parts have been removed from your rejector. You can see some filing/grinding marks near the top of the unit in your pictures. > The button pushing into thin air and the chute not being in its rightful place was the dead giveaway that > something is not right with that rejector. I'd like to get both items operational so the only way to get > there is to buy a "proper" rejector that'll fit well. If no one on the list has one then tomorrow it's off to > Durfee-land etc.. From the pictures of your unit and the other EBay one, I think you have the right rejector but a prior owner has modified it and its mounting. Perhaps there is something wrong with the mounting hardware. About the only reason I can think of for someone to lower it would be if they tried to squeeze in a half-dollar module. These sit on top of the regular rejector and make the whole thing about two inches longer, also slightly thicker for the fourth coin chute and switch. *ALL* of the 5-10-25 National rejectors are very similar in terms of form factor, size, placement of input chute, coin-return actuator, output chutes, etc. They changed very little in 50 years and many applications from jukeboxes to soda and cigarette machines. There were add-ons such as the "nickel-flipper" for 10-cent play, the 50-cent module, change dispensers for vending, etc. but the basic mechanisms are pretty much interchangeable. Over the years the internal workings changed a little in terms of how coins and slugs were separated. Also the exact location of mounting pins and brackets changed but the holes should be there for the model-specific hardware. Really, just about any 5-10-25 rejector from just about any jukebox or wallbox should fit with little modification. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Tue Jan 5 00:25:17 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jan 5 00:27:04 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan slug rejector needed In-Reply-To: <411624.59233.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <411624.59233.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B42F76D.2020701@west.net> Looking at the pictures it's obvious that someone has jerry-rigged the mounting of the rejector in your machine compared to the EBay photos. It sits way too low. The bottom of the rejector needs to be above the cutout for the coin return to allow for the angled chute (missing on your jukebox) to funnel rejected coins to the coin return tray. Also note that the rejector in your box sits directly atop the coin counter assembly (with "Credit switch" written on it). Compare to the EBay photo where there is an extension neck between the two. You have the right type of rejector, although a much later specimen than was shipped with the jukebox originally. The rejector itself has been modified (parts removed and the casting ground away at the upper right in the photo). Also its position in the jukebox and mounting hardware aren't correct. That's why the coin reject lever on yours is floating in the air. Maybe someone else with a Trashcan that has working coin gear can take some closeup photos for better comparison. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 01:18:19 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 5 01:20:07 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem In-Reply-To: <40134.87427.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <217974.74814.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, Your "issue" is lubrication based. It stems from the fact that either no oil, or improper oil has been used for ???years. At this point, it may have progressed to the point that will require the clutch member be replaced, or it may only require that the clutch unit be clean and oiled properly.? What you need to do, is be sure it's fairly clean, oiled, and that on one has "messed" with the 4 clutch adjustments, nor the thrust adjustment. (see your service manual)? You can also look at the clutch member. Examine it to determine if the "tops" of "V" notches have "rounded off". If so, replacement is the only option that I know of--and other parts may need replacement also-- FYI "Seeburg oil" is SAE 20 wt. ND oil, and it is my recommendation that only, that type be used.? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Jay wrote: From: Jay Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 11:35 AM My mechanism has an issue that I am not familiar with.? On a good mechanism:? After I select a record for the first time, the mechanism moves over to the record, selects and plays great.? After tripping the record and placing it back, the mechanism "should" start scanning for any other record smoothly.? My problem is once the record is placed back, the mechanism sort of bucks and clicks for a second before smoothly searching for another record to play.? If I select D1 and D3, it sometimes misses D3 and replays D1. Any ideas? I did rebuild the amp, selection receiver.? I have oiled the mechanism per the Seeburg instructions with light weight (10W) zoom spout turbine oil. Thanks in advance! ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From cly21 at aol.com Tue Jan 5 04:28:49 2010 From: cly21 at aol.com (cly21@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 5 04:30:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? Message-ID: <8CC5C19C44E6E80-7B8-1832@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> The drop in volume seems to be as soon as it goes to a section of only high, bright sound. These parts, as in a treble guitar lead, also sound slightly odd. Similar to an old cassette tape recording not played at the exact right speed. However it's only noticed on the extreme high frequency. Jay, I can send a video clip or a couple of pics if you'd like. Thanks for your help. From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Jan 5 05:57:43 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Jan 5 05:59:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan slug rejector needed In-Reply-To: <411624.59233.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <692317.97702.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <411624.59233.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When I compare Bob's rejector to the one mounted in MY Trashcan, it looks like the entire coin reject assembly that's built into the rejector is missing. There's an "L" shaped bracket/plunger that comes out of the back of the rejector - near the top - that makes contact with the coin reject button mounted on the cabinet. When this plunger is pushed in, coins are shooted out the coin return. Whatever apparatus that makes this happen is what's missing on Bob's rejector. Aaron On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > Bob, > It would appear to me that there should be no problem---it looks like you > just have a later model top half --same brand (National) "Slug Rejetor". > What problem(s) are you having with it ? BTW--It 's not a "grinder"--only > Wurly used those--- Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 1/4/10, NotarySojac wrote: > > From: NotarySojac > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan slug rejector needed > To: "Jukebox List" > Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 10:22 AM > > After spending a lovely Sunday afternoon chatting over the phone with Aaron > H. I have come to realize that > the slug rejector in my 1947 Trashcan is not the original one. To make > matters worse, it does not appear > to even be correct for this model juke. > > Here are some pix of what my coin assemblies look like: > http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Coin%20Grinder/ > The last picture is from a recent eBay auction. This, I believe, is what > the slug ejector should look like. > > So, before I send emails to all of the off-list suppliers I wanted to put > out a APB to see if any list members > might have one for sale. I only need the top part of the coin mechanism. > The bottom credit switch assembly > seems to correct and working OK. > > Thanks! > > Bob - Chicago > email me off-list at NotarySojac@SBCGlobal.net > Foo! > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jan 5 07:47:13 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jan 5 07:50:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? Message-ID: <20100105.104713.19270.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Gentemen: The sound problem here where certain parts of an audio mix seems to disappear might be phase related. Is the RO 1493 Princess juke equipped with the same hybrid stereo scheme that the full size RO jukes of that date (Regis, Empress 1495,1497 etc) were? As an experiment, I'd try reversing the phase of the output leads of one of the ceramic cartridge phono cartridge channels. (e.g. disconnect and reverse the 2 left channel cartridge lugs) This system was designed for the cartridge outputs to be wired out of phase where the juke cabinet speakers receive a summed mix of both channels. If the cartridge was serviced at some point, the wires were probably put back in the usual in-phase mode. The voices/guitars etc that the writer says are missing may be lead vocals etc that are mixed to the (equal) center of a stereo recording. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=GG3WjfNwKX3rbSS7zn1_8QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 08:12:57 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 5 08:14:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? In-Reply-To: <20100105.104713.19270.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <348266.32644.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, You have a real valid point here--I have seen many "serviced" cartridges hooked up "wrong". I am not sure, but I think all R/O's are wired in phase. Heck, I've even seen the cartrige installed "backwards" in more then one Rowe--- Also--IF--this juke has a "mono-stereo-hybird" switch, it must be set correctly, as per the manual--? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/5/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 7:47 AM Gentemen: The sound problem here where certain parts of an audio mix seems to disappear might be phase related. Is the RO 1493 Princess juke equipped with the same hybrid stereo scheme that the full size RO jukes of that date (Regis, Empress 1495,1497 etc) were? As an experiment, I'd try reversing the phase of the output leads of one of the ceramic cartridge phono cartridge channels. (e.g. disconnect and reverse the 2 left channel cartridge lugs)???This system was designed for the cartridge outputs to be wired out of phase where the juke cabinet speakers receive a summed mix of both channels. If the cartridge was serviced at some point, the wires were probably put back in the usual in-phase mode. The voices/guitars etc that the writer says are missing may be lead vocals etc that are mixed to the (equal) center of a stereo recording. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=GG3WjfNwKX3rbSS7zn1_8QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jan 5 08:35:31 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jan 5 08:39:12 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? Message-ID: <20100105.113531.3700.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Ron: I guess I'm dancing around the topic here. If the RO 1493 Princess uses the same hybrid-stereo sound scheme the full size jukes used those years (I have n't worked on many early Princess units) the audio input to the amp IS supposed to be wired out of phase for correct operation. Switching the cartridge lugs would be an easy way for a non-technical person to test. You will hear the mono "difference" of a stereo recording played on these machines otherwise instead of the stereo "sum". Yes it is necessary to have the stereo mode switch in the correct position. In the mono position, the juke cabinet speakers "hear" both audio channels. In the stereo mode, the juke speakers are shifted to "hear" only one of the channels, where the other stereo channel is routed to an external speaker. In the hybrid-stereo mode, left and right channel audio is routed to external speaker lines, where the juke speakers "hear" the summed mono output at a reduced volume. Clear as mud, right? An incorrectly phased input could be a plausible answer to the complaint for this discussion string. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xFZt506BdDbKaRJQLZvZRwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jan 5 08:55:23 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jan 5 09:00:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Turntable speed - how accurate should it be? Message-ID: <20100105.115523.3700.3@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Michael: The 45 RPM speed of thsse machines is normally pretty accurate. If off, they tend to run slightly fast. (the stripes on your strobe disc should creep in a clockwise direction) If the motor speed is changing with longer use, maybe there's a lack of lubrication or gumminess in the motor bearings. As the motor heats up with use, the dry bearings are causing less of a drag. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=K3aipiizj55KBJRmgIQfDwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 09:24:30 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 5 09:26:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? In-Reply-To: <20100105.113531.3700.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <444386.77020.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, That's exactly what I thought I said ?? Ron --- On Tue, 1/5/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 8:35 AM Ron: I guess I'm dancing around the topic here.???If the RO 1493 Princess uses the same? hybrid-stereo sound scheme the full size jukes used those years? (I have n't worked on many early Princess units) the audio input to the amp IS supposed to be wired out of phase for correct operation.???Switching the cartridge lugs would be an easy way? for a non-technical person to test.? You will hear the mono "difference" of a stereo recording played on these machines otherwise instead of the stereo "sum".? ? Yes it is necessary to have the stereo mode switch in the correct position.??? In the mono position, the juke cabinet speakers "hear" both audio channels.???In the? stereo mode, the juke speakers are shifted to "hear" only one of the channels, where the other stereo channel is routed to an external speaker. In the hybrid-stereo mode, left and right channel audio is routed to external speaker lines, where the juke speakers "hear" the summed mono output at a reduced volume.? ???Clear as mud, right? An incorrectly phased input could be a plausible answer to the complaint for this discussion string. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xFZt506BdDbKaRJQLZvZRwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 10:00:43 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jan 5 10:02:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Collector of Rowe/AMI R-87 and R-88s In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <508132.1893.qm@web112104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> wrote: > He uses only C8 or better records... I'm still palying some catch-up with my mail and just now saw this. What is a "C8" record? From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 5 10:40:15 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Tue Jan 5 10:41:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan slug rejector needed Message-ID: <95883.18475.qm@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to all who have commented on my slug rejector issue. You have helped me to reason through what is wrong and how to proceed. Ron R. thanks for correcting my use of the term "grinder". Frankly, I only like to use that term when I'm on the east coast (Rhode Island in particular) and hungry for sandwich ;-) If anyone out there who owns a 147M could shoot a picture of their coin assemblies I'd be eternally grateful. I'll even put your picture up on my photobucket for reference! Please email off-list if you can send a picture. All the best! Bob - Chicago email: NotarySojac@SBCGlobal.net From jay at west.net Tue Jan 5 11:01:56 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jan 5 11:03:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? In-Reply-To: <348266.32644.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <348266.32644.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B438CA4.9040108@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Jim, > You have a real valid point here--I have seen many "serviced" cartridges hooked up "wrong". I am not sure, but I think all R/O's are wired in phase. Heck, I've even seen the cartrige installed "backwards" in more then one Rowe--- Well, they're supposed to be backwards in the later Rowes that have the tonearm on the wrong side of the record! Also--IF--this juke has a "mono-stereo-hybird" switch, it must be set correctly, as per the manual-- Ron Rich Agreed. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Tue Jan 5 11:11:30 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jan 5 11:13:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? In-Reply-To: <20100105.104713.19270.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100105.104713.19270.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4B438EE2.3050503@west.net> James Alexander wrote: > Gentemen: > > The sound problem here where certain parts of an audio mix seems to disappear might be phase related. > Is the RO 1493 Princess juke equipped with the same hybrid stereo scheme that the full size RO jukes of that date (Regis, Empress 1495,1497 etc) were? Yes it is. Amplifier has "Mono/Hybrid/Stereo" selector switch. James has a valid point here. If the cartridge is out of phase the lead vocal on most stereo records will almost disappear and sound quite hollow. A monaural record will be very low in volume throughout and distorted, with surface noise accentuated. This is usually very obvious from the sound. The Princess doesn't reverse the phase from one side of the cartridge as was done in the AMI "Stereo-Round" system. Phase reversal for bridging to mono is done in the amplifier. Compare the plate wiring colors on the 6973 output transformers reference the triode phase splitters. > As an experiment, I'd try reversing the phase of the output leads of one of the ceramic cartridge phono cartridge channels. (e.g. disconnect and reverse the 2 left channel cartridge lugs) This system was designed for the cartridge outputs to be wired out of phase where the juke cabinet speakers receive a summed mix of both channels. Indeed, this is very much worth doing. Be careful, they're fragile. Also put up a picture of the "6 x 9" speaker and a closeup of the terminal strip wiring on the front door. something sounds a bit off here. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 11:48:18 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 5 11:49:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Collector of Rowe/AMI R-87 and R-88s In-Reply-To: <508132.1893.qm@web112104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <133448.94341.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> C-8 is "Hold on Tight to your Dreams" on my juke ! --naw that's V-8--I gotta go look--- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/5/10, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Collector of Rowe/AMI R-87 and R-88s To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 10:00 AM On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> wrote: > He uses only C8 or better records... I'm still palying some catch-up with my mail and just now saw this.? What is a "C8" record? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 11:56:07 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 5 11:57:48 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? In-Reply-To: <4B438CA4.9040108@west.net> Message-ID: <641620.58907.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, ?I knew someone would mention the fact that Rowe put the tone arm in backwards-- but believe it or not, I have seen "people" try to insert that cart "the write way" ???? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 11:01 AM Ron Rich wrote: > Jim, > You have a real valid point here--I have seen many "serviced" cartridges hooked up "wrong". I am not sure, but I think all R/O's are wired in phase. Heck, I've even seen the cartrige installed "backwards" in more then one Rowe--- Well, they're supposed to be backwards in the later Rowes that have the tonearm on the wrong side of the record! Also--IF--this juke has a "mono-stereo-hybird" switch, it must be set correctly, as per the manual--? Ron Rich Agreed. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From stamann at jukebox-world.de Tue Jan 5 12:38:12 2010 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Tue Jan 5 12:41:51 2010 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox World Message-ID: Hello Joey and Ron, thanks for your kind words! Best regards from Hildegard and Oliver Stamann -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Ron Rich Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Januar 2010 18:16 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox World Joey, and all, That's a real nice "touch"--I peeled the sticker off one original, and stuck in on the Pickering 34D that I use on my commercial run Seeburg M100B about ten yeas ago--It fits nicely. And as far as the Stamann's are concerned, I have never done business with nicer people ! ( 'course MOST of the people in this biz ARE nice !)? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox World To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 4:33 PM I just wanted to post a comment about Jukebox World in germany. I ordered some parts for my Rockola 1468.? Parts included a top diffuser, grill emblem, top selection buttons with inserts, grill V, lower glass diffuser and many other parts. I have to say that the quality, packaging and service is great.? Oliver and Hildegard sell a real quality product. There are many reproduced Rockola and AMI parts available from them. One real nice item for the Seeburg nuts like myself, is a Seeburg " HI FI Magnetic " decal for the mono redhead cartridge.? It adds a real nice finish detail to a Jukebox. I know they are members of this forum so I hope they read this. Joey McDonald in Canada _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Tue Jan 5 12:48:09 2010 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Tue Jan 5 12:50:07 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? References: <8CC5C19C44E6E80-7B8-1832@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4D02CC1E37DE48FDA4BC361C8F0A154A@JUKEBUS> In my experience the speaker set up on the Princess is fairly sensitive to the type of speakers used. I have never tried using a non horn speaker for the HF range, but even other horns of the correct impedance do alter the sound significantly. As Jay suggested, you should also replace the large electrolytic capacitor in the crossover. To make sure the problem is in the speakers / crossover - connect a pair of 8 ohm speakers to the terminals at the front on right hand side of the amplifier. Set the speaker switch to "Stereo" and listen to the sound through these external speakers. If the problem still exists it's in the amp or the cartridge, if it's gone then the problem is in cabinet speakers or the crossover. Hope this helps. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? The drop in volume seems to be as soon as it goes to a section of only high, bright sound. These parts, as in a treble guitar lead, also sound slightly odd. Similar to an old cassette tape recording not played at the exact right speed. However it's only noticed on the extreme high frequency. Jay, I can send a video clip or a couple of pics if you'd like. Thanks for your help. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2599 - Release Date: 01/04/10 08:24:00 From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Tue Jan 5 14:16:08 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Tue Jan 5 14:17:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? In-Reply-To: <641620.58907.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4B438CA4.9040108@west.net> <641620.58907.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01ca8e54$ae91aca0$0bb505e0$@force9.co.uk> Back in the day I went out to repair 3 or 4 Rowes on site that had the cartridge in the 'wrong' way. (i.e. the stylus assembly at the front of the tone arm). I remember arguing with one person who claimed it was correct. Amazingly they just about tracked. The installer would have had to adjust the set down and trip positions quite radically so how they ever thought they were doing the right thing is beyond me. These were in commercial use too. One was in a holiday camp in the games room. None had the original Shure N77 or M44 so I guess the person who fitted the aftermarket cartridge thought they knew better. All machines in question were owner owned as opposed to rented, and quite old, so I guess they found some bloke on the street who probably repaired TV's and said he could do jukeboxes. Of course, it goes without saying, they wired the cartridge in phase so most of the bass was cancelled out. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 05 January 2010 19:56 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? Jay, ?I knew someone would mention the fact that Rowe put the tone arm in backwards-- but believe it or not, I have seen "people" try to insert that cart "the write way" ???? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 11:01 AM Ron Rich wrote: > Jim, > You have a real valid point here--I have seen many "serviced" cartridges hooked up "wrong". I am not sure, but I think all R/O's are wired in phase. Heck, I've even seen the cartrige installed "backwards" in more then one Rowe--- Well, they're supposed to be backwards in the later Rowes that have the tonearm on the wrong side of the record! Also--IF--this juke has a "mono-stereo-hybird" switch, it must be set correctly, as per the manual--? Ron Rich Agreed. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 14:27:33 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 5 14:29:12 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? In-Reply-To: <002e01ca8e54$ae91aca0$0bb505e0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <423014.4823.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nigel, That's pretty much the same as what happened here, although I think that all I saw had the original Sure carts--which will track--MOST of the records- -? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 2:16 PM Back in the day I went out to repair 3 or 4 Rowes on site that had the cartridge in the 'wrong' way. (i.e. the stylus assembly at the front of the tone arm). I remember arguing with one person who claimed it was correct. Amazingly they just about tracked. The installer would have had to adjust the set down and trip positions quite radically so how they ever thought they were doing the right thing is beyond me. These were in commercial use too. One was in a holiday camp in the games room. None had the original Shure N77 or M44 so I guess the person who fitted the aftermarket cartridge thought they knew better. All machines in question were owner owned as opposed to rented, and quite old, so I guess they found some bloke on the street who probably repaired TV's and said he could do jukeboxes. Of course, it goes without saying, they wired the cartridge in phase so most of the bass was cancelled out. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 05 January 2010 19:56 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? Jay, ?I knew someone would mention the fact that Rowe put the tone arm in backwards-- but believe it or not, I have seen "people" try to insert that cart "the write way" ???? Ron Rich From jay at west.net Tue Jan 5 15:14:57 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jan 5 15:16:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? In-Reply-To: <423014.4823.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <423014.4823.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B43C7F1.10609@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Nigel, > That's pretty much the same as what happened here, although I think that all I saw had the original Sure carts--which will track--MOST of the records- - Ron Rich If the stylus is more or less in the right place, tracking backwards often just works. This is the case on the "A" side with all of the Thorpe, "DS", etc. aftermarket Seeburg replacements based on ceramic turnover cartridges. It's also used by radio DJs for cueing. Some combinations of cartridges/records don't work and tear the records up in short order. I have heard "cue burn" on the lead grooves of lots of radio station records. The standard conical styli used in most jukebox carts seem to have little trouble. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 15:45:17 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 5 15:46:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? In-Reply-To: <4B43C7F1.10609@west.net> Message-ID: <131069.11073.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy's, Along these lines--I was thinking--( I know !!!)--did Rowe invert the wires at the cartridge, or was that done internally in the amp ?? I know that it was done in the "130 watt" amp itself--also on MOST CD amps.? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 3:14 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Nigel, > That's pretty much the same as what happened here, although I think that all I saw had the original Sure carts--which will track--MOST of the records- -? Ron Rich If the stylus is more or less in the right place, tracking backwards often just works.? This is the case on the "A" side with all of the Thorpe, "DS", etc. aftermarket Seeburg replacements based on ceramic turnover cartridges. It's also used by radio DJs for cueing. Some combinations of cartridges/records don't work and tear the records up in short order.? I have heard "cue burn" on the lead grooves of lots of radio station records.? The standard conical styli used in most jukebox carts seem to have little trouble. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From cew142 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 17:45:13 2010 From: cew142 at yahoo.com (Jay) Date: Tue Jan 5 17:46:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem In-Reply-To: <217974.74814.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <694029.35255.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Everyone, thanks for the suggestions. There was mention about using only "Seeburg oil" is SAE 20 wt. ND oil. Obviously seeburg oil is no longer made, what specifically is a good substitute? Would it be at all possible to be specific about the type, name brand and where you get the oil? 20wt non detergent oil is too vague and there are tons of oils out there for lubrication. Thanks! --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 4:18 AM > Jay, > Your "issue" is lubrication based. It stems from the fact > that either no oil, or improper oil has been used for > ???years. At this point, it may have progressed to the point > that will require the clutch member be replaced, or it may > only require that the clutch unit be clean and oiled > properly.? > What you need to do, is be sure it's fairly clean, oiled, > and that on one has "messed" with the 4 clutch adjustments, > nor the thrust adjustment. (see your service manual)? You > can also look at the clutch member. Examine it to determine > if the "tops" of "V" notches have "rounded off". If so, > replacement is the only option that I know of--and other > parts may need replacement also-- > FYI "Seeburg oil" is SAE 20 wt. ND oil, and it is my > recommendation that only, that type be used.? Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Jay > wrote: > > From: Jay > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating > mechanism problem > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 11:35 AM > > My mechanism has an issue that I am not familiar with.? > > On a good mechanism:? After I select a record for the > first time, the mechanism moves over to the record, selects > and plays great.? After tripping the record and placing it > back, the mechanism "should" start scanning for any other > record smoothly.? > > My problem is once the record is placed back, the mechanism > sort of bucks and clicks for a second before smoothly > searching for another record to play.? If I select D1 and > D3, it sometimes misses D3 and replays D1. > > Any ideas? > > I did rebuild the amp, selection receiver.? I have oiled > the mechanism per the Seeburg instructions with light weight > (10W) zoom spout turbine oil. > > Thanks in advance! > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From joe400f at shaw.ca Tue Jan 5 18:04:33 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Tue Jan 5 18:06:17 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem References: <694029.35255.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601ca8e74$9752b190$48944e18@compaq> Here's the deal. Real easy. Go to Home Depot. They sell 2 kinds of 3 in 1 oil. Get the one that says electrical motor oil on it. There is a small picture of a blue electric motor on the front of the bottle. It's a white flat squeeze bottle plastic. If you have a " Zoom Spout " oiler, empty it out and refill with the new 3 in 1 electric motor oil. It is 20wt non detergent oil. Easy Pleasy Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem Everyone, thanks for the suggestions. There was mention about using only "Seeburg oil" is SAE 20 wt. ND oil. Obviously seeburg oil is no longer made, what specifically is a good substitute? Would it be at all possible to be specific about the type, name brand and where you get the oil? 20wt non detergent oil is too vague and there are tons of oils out there for lubrication. Thanks! --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 4:18 AM > Jay, > Your "issue" is lubrication based. It stems from the fact > that either no oil, or improper oil has been used for > ???years. At this point, it may have progressed to the point > that will require the clutch member be replaced, or it may > only require that the clutch unit be clean and oiled > properly. > What you need to do, is be sure it's fairly clean, oiled, > and that on one has "messed" with the 4 clutch adjustments, > nor the thrust adjustment. (see your service manual) You > can also look at the clutch member. Examine it to determine > if the "tops" of "V" notches have "rounded off". If so, > replacement is the only option that I know of--and other > parts may need replacement also-- > FYI "Seeburg oil" is SAE 20 wt. ND oil, and it is my > recommendation that only, that type be used. Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Jay > wrote: > > From: Jay > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating > mechanism problem > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 11:35 AM > > My mechanism has an issue that I am not familiar with. > > On a good mechanism: After I select a record for the > first time, the mechanism moves over to the record, selects > and plays great. After tripping the record and placing it > back, the mechanism "should" start scanning for any other > record smoothly. > > My problem is once the record is placed back, the mechanism > sort of bucks and clicks for a second before smoothly > searching for another record to play. If I select D1 and > D3, it sometimes misses D3 and replays D1. > > Any ideas? > > I did rebuild the amp, selection receiver. I have oiled > the mechanism per the Seeburg instructions with light weight > (10W) zoom spout turbine oil. > > Thanks in advance! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Jan 5 18:50:12 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Tue Jan 5 18:51:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby Message-ID: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> Hi to all, 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip to NC to get it. I really am hooked http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 Jackie Dancin' Out From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Tue Jan 5 19:02:45 2010 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Tue Jan 5 19:04:22 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem In-Reply-To: <694029.35255.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <961624.63886.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi,Head down to your local cinema and ask nicely i am sure they would spare you a little, the oil used in the intermittent on a 35mm cinema projector is ideal... non foaming high pressure oil (very light straw colour)... I use it on my mechs for everything.John at the MetroCinema, NewZealand? --- On Wed, 6/1/10, Jay wrote: From: Jay Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 2:45 PM Everyone, thanks for the suggestions. There was mention about using only "Seeburg oil" is SAE 20 wt. ND oil.? Obviously seeburg oil is no longer made, what specifically is a good substitute?? Would it be at all possible to be specific about the type, name brand and where you get the oil?? 20wt non detergent oil is too vague and there are tons of oils out there for lubrication. Thanks! --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 4:18 AM > Jay, > Your "issue" is lubrication based. It stems from the fact > that either no oil, or improper oil has been used for > ???years. At this point, it may have progressed to the point > that will require the clutch member be replaced, or it may > only require that the clutch unit be clean and oiled > properly.? > What you need to do, is be sure it's fairly clean, oiled, > and that on one has "messed" with the 4 clutch adjustments, > nor the thrust adjustment. (see your service manual)? You > can also look at the clutch member. Examine it to determine > if the "tops" of "V" notches have "rounded off". If so, > replacement is the only option that I know of--and other > parts may need replacement also-- > FYI "Seeburg oil" is SAE 20 wt. ND oil, and it is my > recommendation that only, that type be used.? Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Jay > wrote: > > From: Jay > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating > mechanism problem > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 11:35 AM > > My mechanism has an issue that I am not familiar with.? > > On a good mechanism:? After I select a record for the > first time, the mechanism moves over to the record, selects > and plays great.? After tripping the record and placing it > back, the mechanism "should" start scanning for any other > record smoothly.? > > My problem is once the record is placed back, the mechanism > sort of bucks and clicks for a second before smoothly > searching for another record to play.? If I select D1 and > D3, it sometimes misses D3 and replays D1. > > Any ideas? > > I did rebuild the amp, selection receiver.? I have oiled > the mechanism per the Seeburg instructions with light weight > (10W) zoom spout turbine oil. > > Thanks in advance! > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From tubadon40 at aol.com Tue Jan 5 19:17:23 2010 From: tubadon40 at aol.com (tubadon40@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 5 19:25:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Mech. mainframes Message-ID: I have a 412 that previous owner must have dropped with records in it breaking off the tray stack at the mainframe bos. I can get another from an ebay contact or two but someone told me the 412 model had many trial modifications and the frames were drilled in different locations depending on which mods were made. Anyone familiar with or can confirm this. I hate to buy one, have it shipped just to find out my mech won't bolt up properly. I also am contemplating having it welded but am concerned alignment and heat warping. If not perfect the trays may not track for record pickup. Any suggestions. Don From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 19:26:09 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jan 5 19:27:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby In-Reply-To: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> Message-ID: <952445.64554.qm@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox > standpoint...my new baby is a AMI G 80 select. It's in > VERY rough shape but I can see the silver lining with lots > of luck and hard work. Well, it will be a great sounding machine when you get it done. The F and G AMIs are the best sounding jukeboxes ever. You're missing the selection receiver, but that's a minor issue as it was an option. It would simply be icing on the options-checklist cake, as it were. Lots of people here have experience with these if you need help. From jay at west.net Tue Jan 5 19:38:16 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jan 5 19:39:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem In-Reply-To: <694029.35255.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <694029.35255.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B4405A8.4040109@west.net> Jay wrote: > Everyone, thanks for the suggestions. > > There was mention about using only "Seeburg oil" is SAE 20 wt. ND oil. Obviously seeburg oil is no longer made, what specifically is a good substitute? > > Would it be at all possible to be specific about the type, name brand and where you get the oil? 20wt non detergent oil is too vague and there are tons of oils out there for lubrication. This tends to be somewhat of a religious issue with various members of the list extolling the virtues of their personal choices. Search the archives (link at bottom) for about 10 years of discussion. Almost universally I can tell you what is NOT recommended: * WD-40 * 3-in-1 regular oil Personally I use the Zoom-spout sewing machine oil I mentioned in a previous post. Nothing too exotic, of good quality, nice dispenser for getting to hard-to-reach places. Sewing machines are similar to jukeboxes in their lubrication needs. Electric motors, sliding cams, roller bearings, gears, etc. Others will doubtless speak out about their favorites. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 19:43:09 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 5 19:44:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem In-Reply-To: <694029.35255.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7696.2865.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, SAE 20 wt. ND oil is available at any GOOD auto parts store, in quart containers. If you don't mind paying about a buck per oz., "3 in One" puts it up in the 3 oz plastic cans. Do NOT use "Multi-purpose/Household" 3 in One--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Jay wrote: From: Jay Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 5:45 PM Everyone, thanks for the suggestions. There was mention about using only "Seeburg oil" is SAE 20 wt. ND oil.? Obviously seeburg oil is no longer made, what specifically is a good substitute?? Would it be at all possible to be specific about the type, name brand and where you get the oil?? 20wt non detergent oil is too vague and there are tons of oils out there for lubrication. Thanks! --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 4:18 AM > Jay, > Your "issue" is lubrication based. It stems from the fact > that either no oil, or improper oil has been used for > ???years. At this point, it may have progressed to the point > that will require the clutch member be replaced, or it may > only require that the clutch unit be clean and oiled > properly.? > What you need to do, is be sure it's fairly clean, oiled, > and that on one has "messed" with the 4 clutch adjustments, > nor the thrust adjustment. (see your service manual)? You > can also look at the clutch member. Examine it to determine > if the "tops" of "V" notches have "rounded off". If so, > replacement is the only option that I know of--and other > parts may need replacement also-- > FYI "Seeburg oil" is SAE 20 wt. ND oil, and it is my > recommendation that only, that type be used.? Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Jay > wrote: > > From: Jay > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating > mechanism problem > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 11:35 AM > > My mechanism has an issue that I am not familiar with.? > > On a good mechanism:? After I select a record for the > first time, the mechanism moves over to the record, selects > and plays great.? After tripping the record and placing it > back, the mechanism "should" start scanning for any other > record smoothly.? > > My problem is once the record is placed back, the mechanism > sort of bucks and clicks for a second before smoothly > searching for another record to play.? If I select D1 and > D3, it sometimes misses D3 and replays D1. > > Any ideas? > > I did rebuild the amp, selection receiver.? I have oiled > the mechanism per the Seeburg instructions with light weight > (10W) zoom spout turbine oil. > > Thanks in advance! > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Jan 5 19:59:24 2010 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Jan 5 20:00:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby In-Reply-To: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20100106035715.M1729@dwave.net> Good goin' Jackie!! The mech is quite straight forward on these. I look forward to seeing your progress. Thanks for the pics! Jeremy Agema On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:50:12 -0500, Jackie Elgie wrote > Hi to all, > 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby is a AMI G 80 select. ?It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver lining with lots of luck and hard work. ?Below is a link to my Mobil Me account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's condition. ? The good news...I got it for a song. :) > > My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip to NC to get it. ?I really am hooked > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 > Jackie > Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinball at telus.net Tue Jan 5 20:10:22 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Jan 5 20:11:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby In-Reply-To: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4B440D2E.1030700@telus.net> Jackie Elgie wrote: > Hi to all, > 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) > > My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip to NC to get it. I really am hooked > > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 > Jackie > Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > Hi Jackie, Nice machine, even has the mech covers! This one should clean up very nicely. Don't plug it in until you replace ALL the power cords and lamp cords within this machine. They all have brittle insulation and thus are a risk of shock or fire! Candy Apple red is a nice colour to get the body painted, and the front with a good speckle paint. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.com Tue Jan 5 20:10:10 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.com (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jan 5 20:12:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem Message-ID: <20100105.231010.22974.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Guys: GC Electronics sells their plastic container "zoom spout oiler" through electronics parts distributing houses. This pkg looks like others shown on this discussion thread, but has different container graphics. It contains a 20 weight oil that seems to work well for the motor-bearing lube apps that are being discused. This item normally sells in $3.50-$4.00 price range if that helps. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=f9_fHOEmSnh7OIlB1E8tTQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From jjmscf at aol.com Tue Jan 5 20:45:50 2010 From: jjmscf at aol.com (jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 5 20:54:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby Message-ID: <3312b.450d84ba.38756f7e@aol.com> Congratulations on your new jukebox Jackie. Can't wait to see it cleaned up. Should clean up nicely.They are great sounding jukes and give a real good view of the mechanism in action. J.C. In a message dated 1/5/2010 9:52:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Hi to all, 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip to NC to get it. I really am hooked http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 Jackie Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Tue Jan 5 22:25:19 2010 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Tue Jan 5 22:26:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby In-Reply-To: <4B440D2E.1030700@telus.net> Message-ID: <905860.56798.qm@web96008.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Jackie,It must be a good newyear coming up, I have just saved a 1958 BAL-AMI Model I 1200E from being carted off to the dump... about the same condition as your baby, but good project material.. here's to happy tinkering.Regards John --- On Wed, 6/1/10, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My new baby To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 5:10 PM Jackie Elgie wrote: > Hi to all, > 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby is a AMI G 80 select.? It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver lining with lots of luck and hard work.? Below is a link to my Mobil Me account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's condition.? The good news...I got it for a song. :) > > My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip to NC to get it.? I really am hooked > > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 > Jackie > Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >??? Hi Jackie, Nice machine, even has the mech covers! This one should clean up very nicely. Don't plug it in until you replace ALL the power cords and lamp cords within this machine. They all have brittle insulation and thus are a risk of shock or fire! Candy Apple red is a nice colour to get the body painted, and the front with a good speckle paint. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Jan 6 00:17:35 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Wed Jan 6 00:19:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? In-Reply-To: <4B43C7F1.10609@west.net> References: <423014.4823.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B43C7F1.10609@west.net> Message-ID: <349d0846e52365f13ebc7230833f548c.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> On the Rowes, I reckon when in the wrong way, the cartridge is about an inch out - i.e. an inch more overhang, which is massive. It even looks odd to watch it, and is really just about tracking on a wing and a prayer. I can't believe anyone thought this was correct, as even the needle brush would be an inch out, and you'd have an inch of excess cartridge wire in the tone arm to tuck in. At least with the Thorpe cartridges, Chantal (UK) and early Jupiter cartridges that played 'against' the groove of the record, the stylus position was still correct to tracing the arc of the record. When the cartridge is positioned correctly, tone arm wires flexible, and correct tracking set, these left handed arms in my opinion track fantastically well. Nigel. > Ron Rich wrote: >> Nigel, >> That's pretty much the same as what happened here, although I think that >> all I saw had the original Sure carts--which will track--MOST of the >> records- - Ron Rich > > If the stylus is more or less in the right place, tracking backwards > often just works. This is the case on the "A" side with all of the > Thorpe, "DS", etc. aftermarket Seeburg replacements based on ceramic > turnover cartridges. > > It's also used by radio DJs for cueing. > > Some combinations of cartridges/records don't work and tear the records > up in short order. I have heard "cue burn" on the lead grooves of lots > of radio station records. The standard conical styli used in most > jukebox carts seem to have little trouble. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Jan 6 00:20:14 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Wed Jan 6 00:22:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? In-Reply-To: <131069.11073.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <131069.11073.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Inverted at the cartridge Ron. You had to manually ensure a red (hot) wire was attached to the G -ve on the cartridge for one of the channels. This is where most mistakes are made as the average bloke on thwe street thinks they are wired wrong, so swaps the cables so both reds are on the +'s. Thinking he has done the right thing, but in reality has upset the system totally. Nige > Guy's, > Along these lines--I was thinking--( I know !!!)--did Rowe invert the > wires at the cartridge, or was that done internally in the amp ?? I know > that it was done in the "130 watt" amp itself--also on MOST CD amps.? Ron > Rich > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Jay Hennigan wrote: > > From: Jay Hennigan > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 3:14 PM > > Ron Rich wrote: >> Nigel, >> That's pretty much the same as what happened here, although I think that >> all I saw had the original Sure carts--which will track--MOST of the >> records- -? Ron Rich > > If the stylus is more or less in the right place, tracking backwards often > just works.? This is the case on the "A" side with all of the Thorpe, > "DS", etc. aftermarket Seeburg replacements based on ceramic turnover > cartridges. > > It's also used by radio DJs for cueing. > > Some combinations of cartridges/records don't work and tear the records up > in short order.? I have heard "cue burn" on the lead grooves of lots of > radio station records.? The standard conical styli used in most jukebox > carts seem to have little trouble. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Jan 6 05:20:52 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Jan 6 05:22:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby In-Reply-To: <20100106035715.M1729@dwave.net> References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> <20100106035715.M1729@dwave.net> Message-ID: <5CB69624-B349-44B1-8464-235CBAE8EBB2@verizon.net> good morning, i had a nice surprise this morning, my son took more pics so i got a better look all around the juke. these were taken with his cell phone so they aren't the best quality but better than nothing! I am seriously pumped to get started on this, thank you all for your positive outlooks! I love the candy apple red idea, i know there were many colors in 1955 and i guess you could use whatever, but i like the idea of staying original. Needless to say, Mel is as excited as I am to get started! I get to do the elbow grease work and he gets to help me bring it back to life! Jackie On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Jeremy Agema wrote: > Good goin' Jackie!! > > The mech is quite straight forward on these. > > I look forward to seeing your progress. Thanks for the pics! > > Jeremy Agema > > On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:50:12 -0500, Jackie Elgie wrote >> Hi to all, >> 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) >> >> My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip to NC to get it. I really am hooked >> >> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 >> Jackie >> Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From cew142 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 05:26:52 2010 From: cew142 at yahoo.com (Jay) Date: Wed Jan 6 05:28:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg oil and Lubrication In-Reply-To: <20100105.231010.22974.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <624924.75595.qm@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The suggestions that everyone made are exactly what I am looking for! Thanks. Just a recap for everyone out there... 1. GC Electronics sells their plastic container "zoom spout oiler" through electronics parts distributing houses. This pkg looks like others shown on this discussion thread, but has different container graphics. It contains a 20 weight oil that seems to work well for the motor- bearing lube apps that are being discused. 2. SAE 20 wt. ND oil is available at any GOOD auto parts store, in quart containers. If you don't mind paying about a buck per oz., "3 in One" puts it up in the 3 oz plastic cans. Do NOT use "Multi- purpose/Household" 3 in One 3. Almost universally I can tell you what is NOT recommended: * WD-40 * 3-in-1 regular oil Personally I use the Zoom-spout sewing machine oil 4. Here's the deal. Real easy. Go to Home Depot. They sell 2 kinds of 3 in 1 oil. Get the one that says electrical motor oil on it. There is a small picture of a blue electric motor on the front of the bottle. It's a white flat squeeze bottle plastic. If you have a " Zoom Spout " oiler, empty it out and refill with the new 3 in 1 electric motor oil. It is 20wt non detergent oil From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Jan 6 05:28:48 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Jan 6 05:30:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1958 BAL-AMI 1200E In-Reply-To: <905860.56798.qm@web96008.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <905860.56798.qm@web96008.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Congratulations John on your 1200E, I got on line and checked it out, very nice! 1958 is the the correct one? I was trying to figure out where the records came from on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKb-C-vFAWU I'm thrilled, another bit of Musical History saved, good work! I hope you can put some pics up, I would love to see it now and while you are working on it...guess you better get started, LOL Jackie On Jan 6, 2010, at 1:25 AM, John Wilson wrote: > Hi Jackie,It must be a good newyear coming up, I have just saved a 1958 BAL-AMI Model I 1200E from being carted off to the dump... about the same condition as your baby, but good project material.. here's to happy tinkering.Regards John > > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, John Robertson wrote: > > From: John Robertson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 5:10 PM > > Jackie Elgie wrote: >> Hi to all, >> 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) >> >> My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip to NC to get it. I really am hooked >> >> >> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 >> Jackie >> Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> > > Hi Jackie, > > Nice machine, even has the mech covers! This one should clean up very nicely. > > Don't plug it in until you replace ALL the power cords and lamp cords within this machine. They all have brittle insulation and thus are a risk of shock or fire! > > Candy Apple red is a nice colour to get the body painted, and the front with a good speckle paint. > > John :-#)# > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Jan 6 05:40:16 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Jan 6 05:42:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] BAL AMI 1958 Message-ID: <23ABF697-43BB-48EF-ABB9-D8683AA20ECF@verizon.net> ok....just realized the record carousel is behind the title board! duh....these machines just fascinate me to pieces.... Jackie From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Jan 6 05:51:09 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Wed Jan 6 05:52:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby In-Reply-To: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> Message-ID: Congratsm Jackie! Once restored, you'll find out how truly incredible a jukebox can sound! Aaron On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Hi to all, > 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby > is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver > lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me > account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's > condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) > > My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing it > in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip > to NC to get it. I really am hooked > > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 > Jackie > Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Jan 6 06:21:13 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Wed Jan 6 06:22:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby In-Reply-To: References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> Message-ID: <477E146265514E6EA1124D256FA5A2AC@p4> Congrats Jackie. I am sure you will love it when up and going. I just got my D80 back from being rewired. All lamp cords were replaced and the cart upgraded from Astatic 51 to a P132. Sounds very nice. Now to replace the color wheel films and recap the amp for top performance! Looks like the D and E series were very similar in design. They added a mech shroud, Record Playing indicator and the big horn at the top. The D80 has the playmeter right up front where the G80's Record Playing indicator is located. My G200 sounds excellent the further away you get from it. I guess that allows the sounds to blend. That horn can be deafening right up close when it is cranked. Check out my AMI photos here. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/ There is also some documentation in the D80 folder you might be able to use. Good Luck. We look forward to updates. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron H Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:51 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My new baby Congratsm Jackie! Once restored, you'll find out how truly incredible a jukebox can sound! Aaron On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Hi to all, > 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby > is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver > lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me > account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's > condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) > > My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing it > in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip > to NC to get it. I really am hooked > > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 > Jackie > Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/05/10 13:35:00 From kentteffeteller at hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 06:37:56 2010 From: kentteffeteller at hotmail.com (Kent Teffeteller) Date: Wed Jan 6 06:46:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] USB Turntables and record grading! In-Reply-To: <20100105200004.2F4F1AAD98@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20100105200004.2F4F1AAD98@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Hi all jukebox list folk, 99% of the USB turntables are very poor quality junk. Pro-Ject makes a USB version of the Debut that is decent but not my dish of tea. Audio-Technica now has an AT-PL 120 USB version that's OK. For transferring records, I prefer my Technics SL-1200 Mk II, several different cartridges mounted in headshells for varying record needs, and my Tascam CD-RW 750 connected to my main hi-fi system. I have Adobe Audition, Click Repair, and Exact Audio Copy on my PC Laptop for records requiring noise reduction work. C8 is a C1-C10 record grading system which most collectors don't use. C1- Very poor- C-10 Mint. Usually the GoldMine magazine standard applies in the USA. It is Poor, Fair, Good, Very Good, Near Mint, and Mint. It's also very strict. It's not unusual for a Very Good Plus 45 or LP to be in excellent playing condition but with something like writing on the label or minor scuffs and be great in a jukebox. I am also a record collector as well as a juke fanatic. I especially love Seeburg jukes (I use an AY-160 as my regular entertainer at my broadcast engineering job at the tower site that I restored). This list has been very helpful keeping it in top form. Alan Kent Teffeteller, Ph.D! (too many other degrees and certifications to list) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Jan 6 06:49:44 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Jan 6 06:51:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI D In-Reply-To: <477E146265514E6EA1124D256FA5A2AC@p4> References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> <477E146265514E6EA1124D256FA5A2AC@p4> Message-ID: <18C4C4DB-ECC7-4F22-A07E-9559D28A961E@verizon.net> Hi Rich, thanks so much for the link, those pics will be very helpful, I bookmarked them so I can reference. I was curious where you downloaded your manuals from....seems that may be a better option than ordering the paper copy. I could just carry my laptop around! The D is a Beautiful machine, I haven't ever seen any Jukebox I didn't think was awesome! There's no going back for me now, Jackie On Jan 6, 2010, at 9:21 AM, SSG Rich Myers wrote: > Congrats Jackie. I am sure you will love it when up and going. I just got > my D80 back from being rewired. All lamp cords were replaced and the cart > upgraded from Astatic 51 to a P132. Sounds very nice. Now to replace the > color wheel films and recap the amp for top performance! > > Looks like the D and E series were very similar in design. They added a > mech shroud, Record Playing indicator and the big horn at the top. The D80 > has the playmeter right up front where the G80's Record Playing indicator is > located. > > My G200 sounds excellent the further away you get from it. I guess that > allows the sounds to blend. That horn can be deafening right up close when > it is cranked. > > Check out my AMI photos here. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/ > > There is also some documentation in the D80 folder you might be able to use. > > Good Luck. We look forward to updates. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron H > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:51 AM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > > Congratsm Jackie! Once restored, you'll find out how truly incredible a > jukebox can sound! > Aaron > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> Hi to all, >> 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby >> is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver >> lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me >> account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's >> condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) >> >> My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing > it >> in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip >> to NC to get it. I really am hooked >> >> >> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 >> Jackie >> Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/05/10 > 13:35:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From cew142 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 07:20:22 2010 From: cew142 at yahoo.com (Jay) Date: Wed Jan 6 07:22:04 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-100 hesistating mechanism problem In-Reply-To: <20100105.231010.22974.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <638969.19677.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't mean to be irritating, but I wanted to point out a few items. Updates to Oils that we use... 3-in-1 electric motor oil is paraffinic: MSDS CAS Number: 64741-88-4 http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/cn/Solvent-Refined%A0Heavy%A0Paraffinic%A0Distillate%A0(Petrolum).html http://www.3inone.com/products/motor-oil http://www.3inone.com/files/pdf/msds-3in31675284.pdf This sewing machine oil also contains paraffin: MSDS CAS Number same as the 3-in-1 oil: 64741-88-4 http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/cn/Solvent-Refined%A0Heavy%A0Paraffinic%A0Distillate%A0(Petrolum).html http://www.albatross-usa.com/pdf/lubricantmsds/AlbatrossCrystalClearMSDS.pdf Zoom Spout oiler that I did use in the past is SAE 10w ND paraffinic: MSDS CAS Number: 64742-65-0 http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/cn/Petroleum%A0Base%A0Oil.html http://www.laco.com/pdfs/MSDS/zoom_spout_oiler.pdf Other Paraffinic Oils: http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=chem&id=248 From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Jan 6 07:32:50 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Jan 6 07:34:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] keys for AMI Message-ID: I was wondering if I need keys to open the top glass and also the coin box of the AMI G 80 Select? Also, seems like a stupid question but are all the keys the same for the AMI G 80 select, or does each Jukebox have their own set, according to their Serial No.? If I need keys, I think that should happen right away, so I can remove the Mech. before I bring it back to MD......thanks! Jackie From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Jan 6 06:32:57 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Jan 6 07:36:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby In-Reply-To: References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2D20F767-3DCE-490C-80CE-5C65FF91F1DD@verizon.net> ok Aaron, I am so excited, I want to leave today to pick it up...unfortunately I have a job :( Jackie On Jan 6, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Aaron H wrote: > Congratsm Jackie! Once restored, you'll find out how truly incredible a > jukebox can sound! > Aaron > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> Hi to all, >> 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby >> is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver >> lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me >> account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's >> condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) >> >> My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing it >> in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip >> to NC to get it. I really am hooked >> >> >> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 >> Jackie >> Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 08:39:56 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 6 08:41:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <595170.95002.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks, Nige--up to what model ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/6/10, pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk wrote: From: pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 12:20 AM Inverted at the cartridge Ron. You had to manually ensure a red (hot) wire was attached to the G -ve on the cartridge for one of the channels. This is where most mistakes are made as the average bloke on thwe street thinks they are wired wrong, so swaps the cables so both reds are on the +'s. Thinking he has done the right thing, but in reality has upset the system totally. Nige > Guy's, > Along these lines--I was thinking--( I know !!!)--did Rowe invert the > wires at the cartridge, or was that done internally in the amp ?? I know > that it was done in the "130 watt" amp itself--also on MOST CD amps.? Ron > Rich > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Jay Hennigan wrote: > > From: Jay Hennigan > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493? Funny sound? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 3:14 PM > > Ron Rich wrote: >> Nigel, >> That's pretty much the same as what happened here, although I think that >> all I saw had the original Sure carts--which will track--MOST of the >> records- -? Ron Rich > > If the stylus is more or less in the right place, tracking backwards often > just works.? This is the case on the "A" side with all of the Thorpe, > "DS", etc. aftermarket Seeburg replacements based on ceramic turnover > cartridges. > > It's also used by radio DJs for cueing. > > Some combinations of cartridges/records don't work and tear the records up > in short order.? I have heard "cue burn" on the lead grooves of lots of > radio station records.? The standard conical styli used in most jukebox > carts seem to have little trouble. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 6 08:41:48 2010 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Wed Jan 6 08:43:30 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] G80 safety advise In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <881160.16942.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Jackie, nice machine, I have owned 2 of these machines over the years. I just thought I would remind you about the front glass on these. These should be fitted with a leather strap to hold it up when servicing etc. If I remember correctly there should be a small metal post on top of the cabinet to hook it on to. If yours doesnt have either fitted, be careful as you will be in danger of it crashing down on you. Regards Gary --- On Wed, 6/1/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: [Jukebox-list] keys for AMI > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 15:32 > I was wondering if I need keys to > open the top glass and also the coin box of the AMI G 80 > Select?? Also, seems like a stupid question but are all > the keys the same for the AMI G 80 select, or does each > Jukebox have their own set, according to their Serial > No.?? If I need keys, I think that should happen right > away, so I can remove the Mech. before I bring it back to > MD......thanks! > Jackie_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 09:06:41 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 6 09:08:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] G80 safety advise In-Reply-To: <881160.16942.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <119647.75270.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, If it's missing, use a "bungie cord"--also contact Kyle, as I think he made some of the straps up--? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Gary Young wrote: From: Gary Young Subject: [Jukebox-list] G80 safety advise To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 8:41 AM Hi Jackie, nice machine, I have owned 2 of these machines over the years. I just thought I would remind you about the front glass on these. These should be fitted with a leather strap to hold it up when servicing etc. If I remember correctly there should be a small metal post on top of the cabinet to hook it on to.? If yours doesnt have either fitted, be careful as you will be in danger of it crashing down on you. Regards Gary --- On Wed, 6/1/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: [Jukebox-list] keys for AMI > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 15:32 > I was wondering if I need keys to > open the top glass and also the coin box of the AMI G 80 > Select?? Also, seems like a stupid question but are all > the keys the same for the AMI G 80 select, or does each > Jukebox have their own set, according to their Serial > No.?? If I need keys, I think that should happen right > away, so I can remove the Mech. before I bring it back to > MD......thanks! > Jackie_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Jan 6 10:32:22 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Jan 6 10:34:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] G80 safety advise In-Reply-To: <881160.16942.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <881160.16942.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0F7D06A1-DCAC-4226-83DB-C9D1945FA979@verizon.net> wow, thanks for that advice, both you and Ron. I will check that first thing and also will be in touch with Kyle regarding straps if I need them. As always, everyones advice is so valuable, not only from the technical point, but safety. I remember heeding Ron's advice on removing the mech on the LS2...watch your feet! Jackie On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Gary Young wrote: > Hi Jackie, nice machine, I have owned 2 of these machines over the years. I just thought I would remind you about the front glass on these. These should be fitted with a leather strap to hold it up when servicing etc. If I remember correctly there should be a small metal post on top of the cabinet to hook it on to. If yours doesnt have either fitted, be careful as you will be in danger of it crashing down on you. > > Regards > > Gary > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> From: Jackie Elgie >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] keys for AMI >> To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 15:32 >> I was wondering if I need keys to >> open the top glass and also the coin box of the AMI G 80 >> Select? Also, seems like a stupid question but are all >> the keys the same for the AMI G 80 select, or does each >> Jukebox have their own set, according to their Serial >> No.? If I need keys, I think that should happen right >> away, so I can remove the Mech. before I bring it back to >> MD......thanks! >> Jackie_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From bobe at halted.com Wed Jan 6 10:49:18 2010 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Wed Jan 6 11:09:07 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] G80 safety advise Message-ID: <2.2.32.20100106184918.009ae038@hsces.com> At 04:41 PM 1/6/2010 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Jackie, nice machine, I have owned 2 of these machines over the years. I just thought I would remind you about the front glass on these. These should be fitted with a leather strap to hold it up when servicing etc. If I remember correctly there should be a small metal post on top of the cabinet to hook it on to. If yours doesnt have either fitted, be careful as you will be in danger of it crashing down on you. And watch out for rotted 50-year-old leather on those straps. Dr. Know-it-all prefers to take the door off when working on these, since he was always banging his head into the corners when it was raised. Depends on your personal altitude, I guess! And Jackie, guard that mech shroud carefully! They are painted aluminum, and pretty soft if I remember correctly, and often missing. Not sure if they're being reproduced. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Jan 6 11:17:42 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Wed Jan 6 11:19:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? In-Reply-To: <595170.95002.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <595170.95002.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801ca8f04$eb9cbf80$c2d63e80$@force9.co.uk> Ron, I think it was all vinyl from the JAL upwards upwards. I cannot vouch 100% off the top of my head for the models after the 1200 style mech, but I am pretty certain it applied to them too. What I found with many Rowe's over here is they were used in large locations with many extension speakers and wallbox setups - the downside being a lot of them have hacked up speaker wiring and all kinds of illicit internal modifications. Much more so than any other make of jukebox. So resurrecting them back to their original sound and setup is sometimes a bit of a challenge ;-) Nige -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 06 January 2010 16:40 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? Thanks, Nige--up to what model ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/6/10, pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk wrote: From: pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 12:20 AM Inverted at the cartridge Ron. You had to manually ensure a red (hot) wire was attached to the G -ve on the cartridge for one of the channels. This is where most mistakes are made as the average bloke on thwe street thinks they are wired wrong, so swaps the cables so both reds are on the +'s. Thinking he has done the right thing, but in reality has upset the system totally. Nige > Guy's, > Along these lines--I was thinking--( I know !!!)--did Rowe invert the > wires at the cartridge, or was that done internally in the amp ?? I know > that it was done in the "130 watt" amp itself--also on MOST CD amps.? Ron > Rich > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Jay Hennigan wrote: > > From: Jay Hennigan > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Princess 1493? Funny sound? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 3:14 PM > > Ron Rich wrote: >> Nigel, >> That's pretty much the same as what happened here, although I think that >> all I saw had the original Sure carts--which will track--MOST of the >> records- -? Ron Rich > > If the stylus is more or less in the right place, tracking backwards often > just works.? This is the case on the "A" side with all of the Thorpe, > "DS", etc. aftermarket Seeburg replacements based on ceramic turnover > cartridges. > > It's also used by radio DJs for cueing. > > Some combinations of cartridges/records don't work and tear the records up > in short order.? I have heard "cue burn" on the lead grooves of lots of > radio station records.? The standard conical styli used in most jukebox > carts seem to have little trouble. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 12:27:29 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jan 6 12:29:08 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: keys for AMI Message-ID: It's an AMI G-80. No need to use the word "Select." The 40, 80, and 120 imply how many selections they had. You will be spanked. According to this site, it should be a # RI-303 key. http://www.needles4jukeboxes.com/ami_keys.htm If not, read the lock faces. They'll most likely have a number on them. Order the proper National Key or have it made at your local locksmith. If it's not something you can have made, it'll need to be removed. The coin box may or may not have the same key. Chances are, neither the coin box or upper door is actually locked. The front door probabaly is, though. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 12:32:04 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jan 6 12:33:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: G80 safety advise Message-ID: Re: Front door hold straps. I did make up one! One! I used a cloth ribbon that has stretched a bit, but it does the job. You put a grommet in one end, and a snap at the other. I'm inclined to do another one in something less prone to stretching, like nylon. Somewhere, I have the grommets and snaps still. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 12:33:19 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Jan 6 12:34:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] USB Turntables and record grading! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <979646.2052.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Kent Teffeteller wrote: > C8 is a C1-C10 > record grading system which most collectors don't use. C1- > Very poor- C-10 Mint. That explains why I've never heard of it! :-) > Usually the GoldMine magazine standard > applies in the USA. It is Poor, Fair, Good, Very Good, Near > Mint, and Mint. It's also very strict. I see that occasionally, but in my experience, Kurt Nauck's grading system is the most common amongst serious collectors. It's also the system used by Record Finders. I don't know if Kurt originated it, but he's the most notable exponent of it. His auctions are the standard by which others are judged. Even the catalogs are useful as references. I save them. Grading and abbreviation key is here: http://www.78rpm.com/auction/Grading.pdf From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 12:38:15 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jan 6 12:39:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: G80 safety advise Message-ID: Re: mech cover and wiring. The mech covers are not being reproduced. Good point. I emailed Jackie yesterday on that very subject. You want to guard against bending them at the thin part near the top rear. I gave Jackie a rundown on most of the G model issues. Zip cord is what most people call lamp cord. The simple two conductor cord seem most often on 1950s-1970s lamps and small appliances. AMI used natural rubber coated zip cord and it goes bad. Much of it will need to be replaced, but it's not super difficult. When replacing the turntable power cord, I added a male and female connection that sits behind the mechanism on my G-120 to make mech removal easier, rather than fishing the turntable cord all the way through. I thought it was a bit of genius. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 12:44:37 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Jan 6 12:46:18 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby In-Reply-To: <477E146265514E6EA1124D256FA5A2AC@p4> Message-ID: <344095.51361.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 1/6/10, SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Check out my AMI photos here. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/ Regarding this picture: http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/G200/G200_SlugRejector.JPG Where's your credit unit? Mine has the credit accumulator, and it's mounted on the door on the opposite side from the slug acceptor. I understand that credit accumulators were uncommon on this model. Instead of the "Select After Each Coin" verbage on the selector, mine has three green lights (like "SELECT" on yours) that say "5 Cents", "10 Cents" and "15 Cents or More". From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 12:47:48 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jan 6 12:49:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rockola Princess 1493 Funny sound? Message-ID: Re: Cartridge backwards in Rowe/AMIs The real problem here is that good HI FI cartridge styli designs are designed to track one way. The fragile cantilevers (often called a shank) holding the stylus are mounted to the base and and designed for the stylus to trail. The cantilever, usually hollow aluminum, can be bent out of shape in short order being forced backwards. With a ceramic cartridge, there's yolk or a V groove of some kind that would hold the stylus in place in such a setup. Also, what many people don't realize is that the stylus is set to track at a 10-15 degree attack angle, which allows for better tracking and less record wear. I too have corrected this backwards mistake at least one time. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 12:56:42 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jan 6 12:58:22 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My new baby, credit Message-ID: David, the G80 and G120 are almost completely different animals than the G200. The mechanicals are almost completely different. The commonality is the horn, the general shape of the cabinet, and a few peripheral components. The credit unit in a g80 or G120 is an accumulator. It will store 6-10 credits, I believe. Because the selection (write in) system is completely different, this allowed for a simple accumulator. The G200 introduced a completely new mechanism and memory. The rejector on an 80 or 120 is inside, not on the actual door. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Jan 6 13:18:43 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Wed Jan 6 13:20:28 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI D In-Reply-To: <18C4C4DB-ECC7-4F22-A07E-9559D28A961E@verizon.net> References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net><477E146265514E6EA1124D256FA5A2AC@p4> <18C4C4DB-ECC7-4F22-A07E-9559D28A961E@verizon.net> Message-ID: Glad to help. As far as the manuals are concerned, I downloaded them from an infrequent poster to this site. So not to rehash the copyright/ownership arguments, I would rather not say where they come from. You might be able to search the archives and find the link. They are not print quality and initially downloaded them for my own reference. I recommend a hard copy for your restoration reference. I agree with your comment about not meeting a jukebox I didn't like....I just like some, more than others. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Elgie Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:50 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI D Hi Rich, thanks so much for the link, those pics will be very helpful, I bookmarked them so I can reference. I was curious where you downloaded your manuals from....seems that may be a better option than ordering the paper copy. I could just carry my laptop around! The D is a Beautiful machine, I haven't ever seen any Jukebox I didn't think was awesome! There's no going back for me now, Jackie On Jan 6, 2010, at 9:21 AM, SSG Rich Myers wrote: > Congrats Jackie. I am sure you will love it when up and going. I just got > my D80 back from being rewired. All lamp cords were replaced and the cart > upgraded from Astatic 51 to a P132. Sounds very nice. Now to replace the > color wheel films and recap the amp for top performance! > > Looks like the D and E series were very similar in design. They added a > mech shroud, Record Playing indicator and the big horn at the top. The D80 > has the playmeter right up front where the G80's Record Playing indicator is > located. > > My G200 sounds excellent the further away you get from it. I guess that > allows the sounds to blend. That horn can be deafening right up close when > it is cranked. > > Check out my AMI photos here. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/ > > There is also some documentation in the D80 folder you might be able to use. > > Good Luck. We look forward to updates. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron H > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:51 AM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > > Congratsm Jackie! Once restored, you'll find out how truly incredible a > jukebox can sound! > Aaron > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> Hi to all, >> 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby >> is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver >> lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me >> account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's >> condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) >> >> My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing > it >> in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip >> to NC to get it. I really am hooked >> >> >> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 >> Jackie >> Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/05/10 > 13:35:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/06/10 01:35:00 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 13:29:53 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jan 6 13:31:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My new baby, manuals Message-ID: Rich, AMI has long since relinquished any copyright on old manuals. Anyone who has posted them on the internet has also done so. The Antique Jukebox Manual Police won't come to get you if you post the link to Jackie, or email her the link. Even reprints are just that. Reprints. Places like Victory Glass reprint them as a service and to make a little money, but they almost certainly don't hold any legal rights to them, only possibly to their additions. That said, yes, it's best to have a paper manual handy. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 13:33:25 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jan 6 13:35:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Searching the list archives. Message-ID: How would one search the archives? Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Jan 6 13:46:12 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Wed Jan 6 13:47:47 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My new baby, manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Kyle. That makes me feel a little better. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My new baby, manuals Rich, AMI has long since relinquished any copyright on old manuals. Anyone who has posted them on the internet has also done so. The Antique Jukebox Manual Police won't come to get you if you post the link to Jackie, or email her the link. Even reprints are just that. Reprints. Places like Victory Glass reprint them as a service and to make a little money, but they almost certainly don't hold any legal rights to them, only possibly to their additions. That said, yes, it's best to have a paper manual handy. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.127/2603 - Release Date: 01/06/10 01:35:00 From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Jan 6 13:47:45 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Wed Jan 6 13:49:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Searching the list archives. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <484EA7F4D3F740DE8770F405512015EB@p4> Not to be facetious, but there is a link at the bottom of every post to http://jukebox.markmail.org Thanks Jay for making this happen. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:33 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Searching the list archives. How would one search the archives? Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.127/2603 - Release Date: 01/06/10 01:35:00 From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 6 14:05:55 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Wed Jan 6 14:07:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cabinet restorer in Chicago-land? Message-ID: <770446.23092.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow! Lots of activity on the list this past week! So many neglected babies finding new, friendly homes is just... uplifiting! I need to ask if anyone on the list can recommend a cabinet restorer in the Chicago area. I'd like to have the Trashcan redone while it's selection receiver is in the shop. Also, any sage wisdom out there regarding the safe removal of the record changer mech? Again, many thanks in advance. Bob Chicago From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Jan 6 14:08:22 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Wed Jan 6 14:09:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My new baby, credit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <714EA5C2E49349DFAA111AC296A11495@p4> David, I have posted a few new pics of the credit wheel on my site. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/G200/ I believe the G200 is non accumulating. Credits are set by the position of the credit magnets. Moving the magnets will adjust the number of credits given. In the pic "credits applied", just below the magnet and behind the white plastic part, there is a credit pin set. This is the 1 for a dime pin. The white plastic nub that sticks out, will reset the pin when the credit wheel rotates counterclockwise 1/6th of a rotation to remove the credit after selection. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Mine sometimes does not reset the pins and will remain popped and add an additional 6 credits. There seems to be a very fine line as to how close the credit pin wheel can be set inwards, as the main credit switch will remain closed and basically acts like free play. Anyone have any tricks to solve this? I have slipped a little white spacer over the end of the shaft, to prevent movement. Helps, but is not bulletproof. Not sure why I like coin play.....guess I like hearing the money fall through. Complete jukebox experience! Notice where I have cut the magnet wires and added small spade connectors. This allows me to change credit without moving magnets. I have also disconnected the very top magnet (6 credits) and jumped it down to the 3 credit magnet. This way I get 3 for a quarter instead of 6. Probably not pretty, but effective. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:57 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My new baby, credit David, the G80 and G120 are almost completely different animals than the G200. The mechanicals are almost completely different. The commonality is the horn, the general shape of the cabinet, and a few peripheral components. The credit unit in a g80 or G120 is an accumulator. It will store 6-10 credits, I believe. Because the selection (write in) system is completely different, this allowed for a simple accumulator. The G200 introduced a completely new mechanism and memory. The rejector on an 80 or 120 is inside, not on the actual door. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.127/2603 - Release Date: 01/06/10 01:35:00 From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Jan 6 14:20:12 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Wed Jan 6 14:21:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My new baby, credit In-Reply-To: <714EA5C2E49349DFAA111AC296A11495@p4> References: <714EA5C2E49349DFAA111AC296A11495@p4> Message-ID: <383214C65D2A4506BE345E223E18487D@p4> That should be clockwise...not counterclockwise. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of SSG Rich Myers Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 4:08 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: My new baby, credit David, I have posted a few new pics of the credit wheel on my site. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/G200/ I believe the G200 is non accumulating. Credits are set by the position of the credit magnets. Moving the magnets will adjust the number of credits given. In the pic "credits applied", just below the magnet and behind the white plastic part, there is a credit pin set. This is the 1 for a dime pin. The white plastic nub that sticks out, will reset the pin when the credit wheel rotates counterclockwise 1/6th of a rotation to remove the credit after selection. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Mine sometimes does not reset the pins and will remain popped and add an additional 6 credits. There seems to be a very fine line as to how close the credit pin wheel can be set inwards, as the main credit switch will remain closed and basically acts like free play. Anyone have any tricks to solve this? I have slipped a little white spacer over the end of the shaft, to prevent movement. Helps, but is not bulletproof. Not sure why I like coin play.....guess I like hearing the money fall through. Complete jukebox experience! Notice where I have cut the magnet wires and added small spade connectors. This allows me to change credit without moving magnets. I have also disconnected the very top magnet (6 credits) and jumped it down to the 3 credit magnet. This way I get 3 for a quarter instead of 6. Probably not pretty, but effective. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:57 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My new baby, credit David, the G80 and G120 are almost completely different animals than the G200. The mechanicals are almost completely different. The commonality is the horn, the general shape of the cabinet, and a few peripheral components. The credit unit in a g80 or G120 is an accumulator. It will store 6-10 credits, I believe. Because the selection (write in) system is completely different, this allowed for a simple accumulator. The G200 introduced a completely new mechanism and memory. The rejector on an 80 or 120 is inside, not on the actual door. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.127/2603 - Release Date: 01/06/10 01:35:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.127/2603 - Release Date: 01/06/10 01:35:00 From jay at west.net Wed Jan 6 14:43:52 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Jan 6 14:45:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Searching the list archives. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B451228.7040804@west.net> Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > How would one search the archives? Read the last line of this (or any recent) post. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 15:29:20 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 6 15:30:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Searching the list archives. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <768549.4569.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle, Just "click" the bottom link on this (and every) page-- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Searching the list archives. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 1:33 PM How would one search the archives? Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Jan 6 16:40:00 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Jan 6 16:41:48 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My new baby, manuals References: Message-ID: <003d01ca8f31$f2433260$48944e18@compaq> Hey Kyle, nice to see you back in the grrove with this forum. Victory Glass sells reprint manuals and are sold under AMR publishing. All the manuals that are sold by dealers, A1 Jukebox, VG, Alway's Jukin etc, sell the AMR manual reprints. Victory Glass owns AMR publishing. They are good quality. Beware of manuals and CD's sold on Ebay. This is for Jackie. AMI D E F G are manuals that were originally sold as specific manuals and originals do come up for sale on Ebay. I got mine that way. There was also a specific operators manual for the F and G. I would hold out for an original. If there are some pages you need in the meantime, I can photocopy mine and mail them to you. Removing the mechanism is not necessary if the 4 lock down bolts are there. Lock them down. Also, the carriage rides on 2 slide rails and is safe to move as it is. Take care to tie down the tone arm to the carriage shroud. Much easier to move than a Seeburg, especially on its back. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." To: Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:29 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My new baby, manuals Rich, AMI has long since relinquished any copyright on old manuals. Anyone who has posted them on the internet has also done so. The Antique Jukebox Manual Police won't come to get you if you post the link to Jackie, or email her the link. Even reprints are just that. Reprints. Places like Victory Glass reprint them as a service and to make a little money, but they almost certainly don't hold any legal rights to them, only possibly to their additions. That said, yes, it's best to have a paper manual handy. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Jan 6 16:46:46 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Jan 6 16:48:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> Message-ID: <004801ca8f32$e3fa9f30$48944e18@compaq> I have a G80 as well. I was lucky to find it local. It was missing some parts. I located the parts over the last few months and plan to work on it this year. The carriage cover ( AMI uses some different terms ) on yours is off an AMI F. Same part, just different colors. Yours should be beige all one color. I also noticed that the turntable disc is jammed in the corner behind the record rack. Don't lose that. I had to buy one. Bill Butterfield seems to have lots of parts for these. Some people don't agree but, these are cool jukes. Lots of accessories for them as well. Steppers, wallboxes, real nice S81 wall speakers etc. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby Hi to all, 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip to NC to get it. I really am hooked http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 Jackie Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From carbide2chips at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 16:48:53 2010 From: carbide2chips at yahoo.com (Scott Sukopp) Date: Wed Jan 6 16:50:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] keys for AMI Message-ID: <626140.28908.qm@web110011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, One key will open both the upper glass and the lower door. The coin box needs no additional key. Removing the mech is not as easy as one may think. Best bet is to bring a large flat blade screwdriver, and unscrew the four spring loaded bolts at each corner. There is a thick spacer with these bolts. Reverse the spacer so that when the mech bolts are replaced, they tighten the whole mech carriage tight to the jukebox. BTW - I have a fairly good set of PDF schematics for AMI D through G. Contact me of list, and I can email them to you. Scott Sukopp From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 16:49:59 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Jan 6 16:51:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My new baby, credit In-Reply-To: <714EA5C2E49349DFAA111AC296A11495@p4> Message-ID: <256258.49588.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 1/6/10, SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > David, > > I have posted a few new pics of the credit wheel on my > site. > http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/G200/ I believe the G200 > is non accumulating. So, from your pictures it looks like the credit unit is built into the selector -- is that correct? That's even different-er from mine that I thought. Now that I have a spiffy new digital camera I'll post some pictures of my accumulator. Like I said, so far mine is the only G-200 I know of that has one, and it's definitely *not* an "operator upgrade" (unless it was done with a very sophisticated kit - and in that case, why?). From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Jan 6 17:40:24 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Jan 6 17:42:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] keys for AMI In-Reply-To: <626140.28908.qm@web110011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <626140.28908.qm@web110011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22EC7C9D-2708-44FB-972D-C3EEC923CB86@verizon.net> Thanks Scott for all the info...I would love to have the PDF if you have time. I will probably end up buying the manual, I just don't know enough about Jukes yet to wing it...(that is an UNDERstatement) I am grateful that VG and other places have them. I was going to bolt down the mech for the trip, but eventually the Mech will come out to work on it so while I am in NC and have the help of a big strong son and his friend I thought I would try to take it out and just lay it in the back of the SUV....hopefully there is room... Jackie On Jan 6, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Scott Sukopp wrote: > Jackie, > One key will open both the upper glass and the lower door. The coin box needs no additional key. Removing the mech is not as easy as one may think. Best bet is to bring a large flat blade screwdriver, and unscrew the four spring loaded bolts at each corner. There is a thick spacer with these bolts. Reverse the spacer so that when the mech bolts are replaced, they tighten the whole mech carriage tight to the jukebox. > BTW - I have a fairly good set of PDF schematics for AMI D through G. Contact me of list, and I can email them to you. > Scott Sukopp > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Jan 6 17:57:13 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Jan 6 17:58:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 In-Reply-To: <004801ca8f32$e3fa9f30$48944e18@compaq> References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> <004801ca8f32$e3fa9f30$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: Joey, good for you to have a G80 as well...I am really excited about starting this project. It's hard to tell the true condition of the Juke from the cell phone pics...for instance, I can't tell if the title strip holder is broken off on the end or if there is just dirt and gunk on the glass above it. It appears to have some kind of silver cover above and below each Title Row. Do you remember what they are made of? In the pics it looks like thin foil? Anyway, things like that will be fun to discover when I get there. Also, what are your thoughts about the side of the cabinet. It was suggested to me to remove the laminate and just sand and paint the plywood. Any other options you can think of. It's clear that one side, at least, is a mess. I saw the gold disk, that must have flown off the turntable when they stopped for the second time on the highway and decided to put it on its back. It was really windy and they were afraid it would tip. I was going to mention to my Son to remove the turntable, but he would have had to open the front glass and its cracked....he didn't want to touch it! I am just pleased he didnt break the side glass when the turntable flew off. When you speak of the "carriage cover" are you talking about the red, square framed area around the turntable? If so, guess when I take that off I could paint it beige instead of red? All this is so interesting, thanks so much! Make sure you post pics of your work, it will be fun doing this with someone else working on the same Juke! Good to know Bill has parts, I've bought from him several times and he's great. Jackie On Jan 6, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Joey McDonald wrote: > I have a G80 as well. I was lucky to find it local. It was missing some parts. I located > the parts over the last few months and plan to work on it this year. > > The carriage cover ( AMI uses some different terms ) on yours is off an AMI F. Same part, just different colors. Yours should be beige all one color. I also noticed that the turntable disc is jammed in the corner behind the record rack. Don't lose that. I had to buy one. > > Bill Butterfield seems to have lots of parts for these. > > Some people don't agree but, these are cool jukes. Lots of accessories for them as well. > Steppers, wallboxes, real nice S81 wall speakers etc. > > Joey McDonald > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:50 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > > > Hi to all, > 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) > > My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip to NC to get it. I really am hooked > > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 > Jackie > Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Jan 6 17:14:55 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Jan 6 18:18:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cabinet restorer in Chicago-land? In-Reply-To: <770446.23092.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <770446.23092.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, I can tell you that my Husband helped me wiggle ours out and it weighs a ton...it takes 2 people and be patient! Mine sat on Saw Horses for about a month while I worked on the cabinet....all this happening in my Dining Room, lol.....My Piano Students and families watched as this shell became an awesome piece of history. The AMI will get worked on downstairs, as I have more room there. The funny thing is, I moved my studio downstairs and now the Students and Families get to watch the restoration of the AMI, they get quite a kick out of it because it seems hopeless to those who don't see beyond the mess! The Trashcan Mech sits on large springs...don't loose them and watch your fingers! Let me know how it goes. I may have some pics on the photobucket link of the mech out and showing the empty cabinet. That was fun times, I loved working on that. Jackie On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:05 PM, NotarySojac wrote: > Wow! Lots of activity on the list this past week! > So many neglected babies finding new, friendly homes is just... uplifiting! > > I need to ask if anyone on the list can recommend a cabinet restorer in the Chicago area. > I'd like to have the Trashcan redone while it's selection receiver is in the shop. > > Also, any sage wisdom out there regarding the safe removal of the record changer mech? > > Again, many thanks in advance. > > Bob Chicago > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From carbide2chips at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 18:22:25 2010 From: carbide2chips at yahoo.com (Scott Sukopp) Date: Wed Jan 6 18:24:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] keys for AMI In-Reply-To: <22EC7C9D-2708-44FB-972D-C3EEC923CB86@verizon.net> Message-ID: <106277.33131.qm@web110014.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, Contact me off line, and I will send you the info. Files are too big to send on this list. carbide2chips@yahoo.com Scott --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] keys for AMI To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 7:40 PM Thanks Scott for all the info...I would love to have the PDF if you have time.? I will probably end up buying the manual, I just don't know enough about Jukes yet to wing it...(that is an UNDERstatement)? I am grateful that VG and other places have them.? I was going to bolt down the mech for the trip, but eventually the Mech will come out to work on it so while I am in NC and have the help of a big strong son and his friend I thought I would try to take it out and just lay it in the back of the SUV....hopefully there is room... Jackie On Jan 6, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Scott Sukopp wrote: > Jackie, > One key will open both the upper glass and the lower door. The coin box needs no additional key. Removing the mech is not as easy as one may think. Best bet is to bring a large flat blade screwdriver, and unscrew the four spring loaded bolts at each corner. There is a thick spacer with these bolts. Reverse the spacer so that when the mech bolts are replaced, they tighten the whole mech carriage tight to the jukebox. > BTW - I have a fairly good set of PDF schematics for AMI D through G. Contact me of list, and I can email them to you. > Scott Sukopp > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Jan 6 20:08:25 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Wed Jan 6 20:10:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 In-Reply-To: <004801ca8f32$e3fa9f30$48944e18@compaq> References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> <004801ca8f32$e3fa9f30$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: Jackie, Once you get a good look at your G80, let me know if you are missing anything. I have a lot of AMI F and G parts in my shop. I may have a carriage cover for it as well. Aaron On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Joey McDonald wrote: > I have a G80 as well. I was lucky to find it local. It was missing some > parts. I located > the parts over the last few months and plan to work on it this year. > > The carriage cover ( AMI uses some different terms ) on yours is off an > AMI F. Same part, just different colors. Yours should be beige all one > color. I also noticed that the turntable disc is jammed in the corner behind > the record rack. Don't lose that. I had to buy one. > > Bill Butterfield seems to have lots of parts for these. > > Some people don't agree but, these are cool jukes. Lots of accessories for > them as well. > Steppers, wallboxes, real nice S81 wall speakers etc. > > Joey McDonald > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:50 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > > > Hi to all, > 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby > is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver > lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me > account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's > condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) > > My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing it > in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a trip > to NC to get it. I really am hooked > > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 > Jackie > Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Jan 6 20:15:06 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Wed Jan 6 20:16:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cabinet restorer in Chicago-land? In-Reply-To: <770446.23092.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <770446.23092.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, That mech will easily slide right out the back of the cabinet completely intact. You only need to remove the linkage rod that connects the helix to the selection receiver and that's done by loosening two set screws on a bracket that holds the rod to the bottom of the helix, and to a similar bracket that holds the rod to the selection receiver. The set screws only provide some tension against a strip of metal that secures the rod to both ends. Once that tension is removed, you should be able to gently pull the rod down from the helix - if I'm not mistaken. Hopefully someone can chime in on this because it's been a number of years since I've done it and I don't want to give Bob the wrong advice... but I'm pretty sure that's the way it's done. After that, the mech simply slides out as one entire unit. And Jackie is absolutely right. The mech weighs a ton. Aaron On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:05 PM, NotarySojac wrote: > Wow! Lots of activity on the list this past week! > So many neglected babies finding new, friendly homes is just... uplifiting! > > I need to ask if anyone on the list can recommend a cabinet restorer in the > Chicago area. > I'd like to have the Trashcan redone while it's selection receiver is in > the shop. > > Also, any sage wisdom out there regarding the safe removal of the record > changer mech? > > Again, many thanks in advance. > > Bob Chicago > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Jan 6 20:26:18 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Wed Jan 6 20:27:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] keys for AMI In-Reply-To: <22EC7C9D-2708-44FB-972D-C3EEC923CB86@verizon.net> References: <626140.28908.qm@web110011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22EC7C9D-2708-44FB-972D-C3EEC923CB86@verizon.net> Message-ID: Jackie, Scott is right on with this. Bolt the mech base down to the cabinet by tightening the four bolts at the corners. The springs are pretty tight so it may be easier for someone to push a corner down while you bolt it. Once two corners are secure, the rest will bolt down easily. I always lock down the tone-arm as well. You can do that easily by wrapping a piece of string around the front of the tone-arm and through the section of the carriage cover that holds the needle brush in place. I also like to take the amp out of the jukebox just to minimize any potential damage. Take the turntable off as well as the decorative disc. If there is a florescent bulb in the upper area of the cabinet, take it out. Make sure the G-80's dome is securely locked in place by the two thumb screws that you'll find inside the cabinet at the very top. Take out the mech shroud. Those are very difficult if not impossible to find intact so you don't want to risk cracking it in any way. I also like to take the credit unit out because it's only sitting on top of a bracket that locks it in place but it still can be bounced around especially during transport. Finally, make sure the front glass door and the two side doors are securely locked in place as well. I can tell you this.... a G-120 fits perfectly into the back of a Dodge Caravan and a Hyundai Santa Fe with a few inches to spare. The G-80 should fit into almost anything. I assume you'll be carrying it on it's back so make sure you've gone through the precautions I've mentioned above and you'll have no problems getting it home. On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Thanks Scott for all the info...I would love to have the PDF if you have > time. I will probably end up buying the manual, I just don't know enough > about Jukes yet to wing it...(that is an UNDERstatement) I am grateful that > VG and other places have them. > > I was going to bolt down the mech for the trip, but eventually the Mech > will come out to work on it so while I am in NC and have the help of a big > strong son and his friend I thought I would try to take it out and just lay > it in the back of the SUV....hopefully there is room... > Jackie > > > > On Jan 6, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Scott Sukopp wrote: > > > Jackie, > > One key will open both the upper glass and the lower door. The coin box > needs no additional key. Removing the mech is not as easy as one may think. > Best bet is to bring a large flat blade screwdriver, and unscrew the four > spring loaded bolts at each corner. There is a thick spacer with these > bolts. Reverse the spacer so that when the mech bolts are replaced, they > tighten the whole mech carriage tight to the jukebox. > > BTW - I have a fairly good set of PDF schematics for AMI D through G. > Contact me of list, and I can email them to you. > > Scott Sukopp > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 20:51:35 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 6 20:53:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Whut ????? Message-ID: <876763.55280.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Anyone have any idea what'z going on here ?? EBay Item number: 140370727730? Ron Rich From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 21:22:02 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Jan 6 21:23:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Whut ????? In-Reply-To: <876763.55280.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <314970.66684.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ron Rich wrote: > Anyone have any idea what'z going on here ?? EBay > Item number: 140370727730 Ron Rich >> "With this model Seeburg introduced the first coin-op >> "high fidelity" system, with an improved amplifier and >> multiple speakers. It has a 15 inch woofer and a 5 inch >> tweeter, with the low frequency sounds going to the >> woofer and the high frequency sounds going to the >> tweeter." Oh man, LOW frequency to the woofer and HIGH frequency to the tweeter?! D'oh! No wonder my stereo sounds so bad! Why didn't I think of that?!? That innovation alone is worth the $12,000! Obviously, somebody thinks it's still the late 1990s, and the CEO of maskingtape.com still has more money than sense. A rude awakening awaits. From pinball at telus.net Wed Jan 6 21:25:56 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Jan 6 21:27:30 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Whut ????? In-Reply-To: <876763.55280.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <876763.55280.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B457064.3090102@telus.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Anyone have any idea what'z going on here ?? EBay > Item > number: > 140370727730 Ron Rich > > > > > An HF100G for $12,000 and the seller doesn't post pictures? Probably a hijacked account...or an idiot - note the person has never sold anything on eBay before. John :-#(# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 21:34:31 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jan 6 21:36:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Searching the list archives. Message-ID: Rick, I get the messages as a daily digest once every 24 hours delivered to my email. There's no such link, and none on the information page. I'll save it. As a webmaster, I find this old system a little archaic and sometimes don't visit for a while. The sketchy links and inability to post photos without navigating away for such visually stimulating a hobby seems tedious and dated. It sucks because I like you all so much. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 21:47:08 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jan 6 21:48:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI G80 Message-ID: Re: Mech cover, red. Joey, if it's an early G, this could be the original mech cover. The early Gs used up some of the peripheral overstock on F parts. The red cover had been in use for at least 3 years and they probably had boxes of unused disassembled leftovers. It's not uncommon to see a red one on them. My G has the prototype early glass artwork, the cartridge used in the F, and a red cover. The parts inside are all marked 9/54 in red grease pencil, so definitely an early G. I'm pretty sure it was a pre production model. It also had the rarely seen glitter sprinkled paint job. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jan 6 21:51:07 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jan 6 21:55:10 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My new baby, manuals Message-ID: <20100107.005107.433.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jackie, and anyone else concerned about AMI repair manuals: Ami published two original versions of many of their 50's model jukebox service manuals. There were individual manuals that were assembled of each model family. There was also a service technician's manual which was a collection of several models assembled in one large binder. The D-80, E-80, F-80 and G-80 and their 120-play counterparts share quite a bit of the same changer mechanics, selection system schematic and hardware. This tech. book showed the record changer details only once. If you buy an AMR reprint manual it should be complete for that model. In the AMI G series there is a G-80,and G-120 that share a common repair manual. There is a G-200 model that is very different from the 80-120 models and has it's own manual. The sound schematic in the G is slightly different than the earlier models. A drawback in buying a copied manual in digital format off the ' net is that most of these are scanned copies of a paper manual, all set for a n 8.5" x 11" page size format. Some schematics, drawings are formatted for large size 11" x 17" or larger paper, on a roadmap size page. In digital if these are shrunk to fit an 8.5 x 111" size format they are almost unreadable. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=79qEqJ-VAkQ91voqX5GStAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 21:59:28 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jan 6 22:01:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI G80 (mech cover) Message-ID: Jackie, NO NO NO. You would NEVER paint over the checkered artwork on a mech cover such as this. Even the red ones in good condition are a little rare since they were easily mangled. If it's in good condition, you leave it just the way it is. It probably signifies an early production G. It's a red jukebox with an otherwise red mechanism and it's going to rock its red mech cover. You got that? Do I have to come there and tattoo it on you? Repeat after me: "I will not paint over this part unless it looks like crap." As for the title strip holders they are plastic, but may have triangular foil stickers on them denoting musical styles. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 22:02:24 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jan 6 22:03:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Whut ????? Message-ID: Obviously, eBay sellers are turning to crack. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 7 04:29:08 2010 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Thu Jan 7 04:30:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cabinet restorer in Chicago-land? References: <770446.23092.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04DF3B328A7F4DCC8941376C87BAAD5C@dirksen> The mech sits on wooden "runners" that slide out easily. There are held by two wood screws on either side that bolt from underneath the mech shelf. Aaron is right about removing the rod, although you have to push it up first to disengage from the receiver, then angle and pull down to disengage from the mech. I find it easier to loosen the drum cover screws and lift the cover up and over while doing this. Be careful and don't loosen the little metal strips all the way, as there is a ball bearing inside that can fall. The rod has a flat ground on both ends, so installation is a snap (you won't get it out of adjustment). Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron H" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Cabinet restorer in Chicago-land? > Bob, > That mech will easily slide right out the back of the cabinet completely > intact. You only need to remove the linkage rod that connects the helix to > the selection receiver and that's done by loosening two set screws on a > bracket that holds the rod to the bottom of the helix, and to a similar > bracket that holds the rod to the selection receiver. The set screws only > provide some tension against a strip of metal that secures the rod to both > ends. Once that tension is removed, you should be able to gently pull the > rod down from the helix - if I'm not mistaken. Hopefully someone can chime > in on this because it's been a number of years since I've done it and I > don't want to give Bob the wrong advice... but I'm pretty sure that's the > way it's done. > > After that, the mech simply slides out as one entire unit. And Jackie is > absolutely right. The mech weighs a ton. > > Aaron > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:05 PM, NotarySojac > wrote: > >> Wow! Lots of activity on the list this past week! >> So many neglected babies finding new, friendly homes is just... >> uplifiting! >> >> I need to ask if anyone on the list can recommend a cabinet restorer in >> the >> Chicago area. >> I'd like to have the Trashcan redone while it's selection receiver is in >> the shop. >> >> Also, any sage wisdom out there regarding the safe removal of the record >> changer mech? >> >> Again, many thanks in advance. >> >> Bob Chicago >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.128/2604 - Release Date: 01/06/10 14:35:00 From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Thu Jan 7 03:46:35 2010 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Thu Jan 7 04:50:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 (mech cover) Message-ID: <776AC47D6E4E40D0B8055361159DC55B@VistaServer> Jackie.... Put Down the Krylon... Step AWAY from the jukebox........ From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Jan 7 05:07:37 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Jan 7 05:09:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My new baby, manuals In-Reply-To: <20100107.005107.433.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100107.005107.433.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <81FEC8CF-713D-4B5D-A405-AFCC9068E3D6@verizon.net> Jim, good point on the size of the print...especially because I can't see "squat" in fine print as it is! I will also check VG and see what manuals they carry and use your info as a reference, thank you very much! Jackie On Jan 7, 2010, at 12:51 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Hello Jackie, and anyone else concerned about AMI repair manuals: > > > Ami published two original versions of many of their 50's model jukebox service manuals. There were individual manuals that were assembled of each model family. > There was also a service technician's manual which was a collection of several models assembled in one large binder. The D-80, E-80, F-80 and G-80 and their 120-play counterparts share quite a bit of the same changer mechanics, selection system schematic and hardware. This tech. book showed the record changer details only once. If you buy an AMR reprint manual it should be complete for that model. > In the AMI G series there is a G-80,and G-120 that share a common repair manual. There is a G-200 model that is very different from the 80-120 models and has it's own manual. The sound schematic in the G is slightly different than the earlier models. > > A drawback in buying a copied manual in digital format off the ' net is that most of these are scanned copies of a paper manual, all set for a n 8.5" x 11" page size format. Some schematics, drawings are formatted for large size 11" x 17" or larger paper, on a roadmap size page. In digital if these are shrunk to fit an 8.5 x 111" size format they are almost unreadable. > > Jim Alexander > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Diet Help > Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=79qEqJ-VAkQ91voqX5GStAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From cew142 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 05:17:40 2010 From: cew142 at yahoo.com (Jay) Date: Thu Jan 7 05:19:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Whut ????? In-Reply-To: <4B457064.3090102@telus.net> Message-ID: <148311.70619.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That is a worthwhile juke, but not that expensive yet. I can believe it if it was a VL200. A Seeburg G? No. What baffles me if the fact that people are asking the seller questions and are interested... I agree with one post on here. It might be a fraudulent seller. --- On Thu, 1/7/10, John Robertson wrote: > From: John Robertson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Whut ????? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 12:25 AM > Ron Rich wrote: > > Hi All, > > Anyone have any idea what'z going on here ?? EBay Item > number: > > 140370727730? Ron Rich > > > > > > > >? ? > An HF100G for $12,000 and the seller doesn't post pictures? > Probably a hijacked account...or an idiot - note the person > has never sold anything on eBay before. > > > John :-#(# > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada > V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, > VideoGames) > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Jan 7 05:19:41 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Thu Jan 7 05:21:28 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI G80 (mech cover) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kyle and Jackie, If the red mech cover has to be painted over....I have the grey and white checkered decals that go on the sides. Aaron On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Mechanical Music of S.F. < mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Jackie, NO NO NO. > You would NEVER paint over the checkered artwork on a mech cover such as > this. > Even the red ones in good condition are a little rare since they were > easily mangled. > If it's in good condition, you leave it just the way it is. It probably > signifies an early production G. > It's a red jukebox with an otherwise red mechanism and it's going to rock > its red mech cover. > You got that? Do I have to come there and tattoo it on you? > Repeat after me: "I will not paint over this part unless it looks like > crap." > > As for the title strip holders they are plastic, but may have triangular > foil stickers on them denoting musical styles. > > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Jan 7 05:35:59 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Jan 7 05:37:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Painting the Mech Cover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good Morning, I have to say I am conservative when it comes to changing anything in my Jukes. I usually leave and try to repair wood, plastics and chrome pieces if they can be salvaged. I even went to great length to save the foil paper in the 1650 pilasters which were in terrible shape. I almost pitched them but tried stretching them out and ironed them to get a correct length after cutting off the destroyed parts. As a last resort I even sprayed them with dish soap and wiped them down! I have to say, they look fantastic and you would never know half of it was cut away! If the Mech Cover in the AMI is in decent shape, I will probably leave it alone. However I do have to say, I have very much appreciated EVERYONES suggestions, input and interest. I idea that the Mech Cover might not be original or the title board is incorrect in some way, gives me more to research and learn about. That's what makes this forum so fun and interesting, the fact that everyone is involved and cares about the subject. I am printing all the emails regarding the AMI and putting them in a folder to take with me to NC. Kyle, on my way down I will find some place to get my tattoo....I am actually getting one in March for my Birthday...a small music note on my inner wrist....my kids wore me down! We could open our own "Maryland Ink" in this house, lol Jackie On Jan 7, 2010, at 12:59 AM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > Jackie, NO NO NO. > You would NEVER paint over the checkered artwork on a mech cover such as this. > Even the red ones in good condition are a little rare since they were easily mangled. > If it's in good condition, you leave it just the way it is. It probably signifies an early production G. > It's a red jukebox with an otherwise red mechanism and it's going to rock its red mech cover. > You got that? Do I have to come there and tattoo it on you? > Repeat after me: "I will not paint over this part unless it looks like crap." > > As for the title strip holders they are plastic, but may have triangular foil stickers on them denoting musical styles. > > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Jan 7 05:37:41 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Jan 7 05:39:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI G80 (mech cover) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54668BD1-C99A-4B03-A0D1-568E13D2E0D1@verizon.net> Aaron, where did you get the decals? Very cool, I am always amazed what is available out there!!! Many thanks, Jackie On Jan 7, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Aaron H wrote: > Kyle and Jackie, > > If the red mech cover has to be painted over....I have the grey and white > checkered decals that go on the sides. > > Aaron > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Mechanical Music of S.F. < > mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Jackie, NO NO NO. >> You would NEVER paint over the checkered artwork on a mech cover such as >> this. >> Even the red ones in good condition are a little rare since they were >> easily mangled. >> If it's in good condition, you leave it just the way it is. It probably >> signifies an early production G. >> It's a red jukebox with an otherwise red mechanism and it's going to rock >> its red mech cover. >> You got that? Do I have to come there and tattoo it on you? >> Repeat after me: "I will not paint over this part unless it looks like >> crap." >> >> As for the title strip holders they are plastic, but may have triangular >> foil stickers on them denoting musical styles. >> >> >> Kyle ~ >> Mechanical Music of San Francisco >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Thu Jan 7 05:48:51 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Thu Jan 7 05:50:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeberg jukebox. Message-ID: <45D3EE8DB441407AB26C0AB4591F83C8@ownerbob1> I've no idea what this is worth. Looking at the vendor's history. He's had fifteen transactions since 2004 all purchases. I can't see any advantage in listing this if it is an attempt at fraud as surely no one in their right mind would pay for it "sight unseen?" He said he'd put pictures up in response to one of the messages dated 31.12.09. But he hasn't. He says it was used at the Driftwood Cafe in Clinton. A prospective purchaser would surely contact them for information. But it does all seem a bit strange, but not necessarily fraudulent. I've seen saxophones advertised on e-bay where the vendor has no idea what type of saxophone it is, or make or any real idea of the value, sometime advertising student instruments, second-hand at more than the original list price. As we say over here; "There's now't as queer as folk." I was amused at someone asking about the condition of a ten dollar stylus when he's asking $12,000 for the machine. Bob. From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Jan 7 05:54:22 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Jan 7 05:56:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 (mech cover) In-Reply-To: <776AC47D6E4E40D0B8055361159DC55B@VistaServer> References: <776AC47D6E4E40D0B8055361159DC55B@VistaServer> Message-ID: Mel...how did you know I had been to Home Depot? lol, I am stepping away....far away On Jan 7, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Mel Knight wrote: > Jackie.... Put Down the Krylon... Step AWAY from the jukebox........ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Jan 7 05:54:38 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Thu Jan 7 05:56:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI G80 (mech cover) In-Reply-To: <54668BD1-C99A-4B03-A0D1-568E13D2E0D1@verizon.net> References: <54668BD1-C99A-4B03-A0D1-568E13D2E0D1@verizon.net> Message-ID: Jackie, I have a friend who is a sign maker. When I needed to completely reproduce a mech cover - because all I had was a top piece - I manufactured the sides from templates I made from the complete original cover in MY F-120... but at the same time, I had my friend do a high resolution scan of the grey checked sides and then completely redraw them in order to get an EXACT match. From there, the decals were printed up and laser cut to the exact size. Since I'm sitting here at work, I'm not sure how many of the decals I have left, but I should be able to get another sheet of 10 (2 per set) made easily enough. Aaron On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Aaron, > where did you get the decals? Very cool, I am always amazed what is > available out there!!! Many thanks, > Jackie > > > > On Jan 7, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Aaron H wrote: > > > Kyle and Jackie, > > > > If the red mech cover has to be painted over....I have the grey and white > > checkered decals that go on the sides. > > > > Aaron > > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Mechanical Music of S.F. < > > mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> Jackie, NO NO NO. > >> You would NEVER paint over the checkered artwork on a mech cover such as > >> this. > >> Even the red ones in good condition are a little rare since they were > >> easily mangled. > >> If it's in good condition, you leave it just the way it is. It probably > >> signifies an early production G. > >> It's a red jukebox with an otherwise red mechanism and it's going to > rock > >> its red mech cover. > >> You got that? Do I have to come there and tattoo it on you? > >> Repeat after me: "I will not paint over this part unless it looks like > >> crap." > >> > >> As for the title strip holders they are plastic, but may have triangular > >> foil stickers on them denoting musical styles. > >> > >> > >> Kyle ~ > >> Mechanical Music of San Francisco > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > >> > >> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Aaron Heverin > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Jan 7 05:52:38 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Jan 7 06:56:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Checkered Artwork Mech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43AE1B01-56F4-4CB7-B249-18D37BE00239@verizon.net> I just looked at the pic of the Mech Cover...I swear I can't see a single checkered pattern on that red! I even zoomed in really close....what am I missing? Jackie On Jan 7, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Aaron H wrote: > Kyle and Jackie, > > If the red mech cover has to be painted over....I have the grey and white > checkered decals that go on the sides. > > Aaron > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Mechanical Music of S.F. < > mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Jackie, NO NO NO. >> You would NEVER paint over the checkered artwork on a mech cover such as >> this. >> Even the red ones in good condition are a little rare since they were >> easily mangled. >> If it's in good condition, you leave it just the way it is. It probably >> signifies an early production G. >> It's a red jukebox with an otherwise red mechanism and it's going to rock >> its red mech cover. >> You got that? Do I have to come there and tattoo it on you? >> Repeat after me: "I will not paint over this part unless it looks like >> crap." >> >> As for the title strip holders they are plastic, but may have triangular >> foil stickers on them denoting musical styles. >> >> >> Kyle ~ >> Mechanical Music of San Francisco >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Jan 7 07:15:46 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Jan 7 07:17:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cabinet Veneer Message-ID: I was looking at Pic #503 on Mobil Me and the side of the cabinet is almost identical to the condition of my Trashcan when I picked it up. I think I can save the veneer....I'm excited! Jackie From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 7 07:18:31 2010 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Thu Jan 7 07:20:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Checkered Artwork Mech In-Reply-To: <43AE1B01-56F4-4CB7-B249-18D37BE00239@verizon.net> Message-ID: <147351.62313.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Jackie, I am not sure, but you may be getting confused with the different descriptions. Its a while since I owned my 2 G80s, but I think the metal shroud surrounding the turntable did not have any decals and was painted red. The outer mech cover which goes around the entire mechanism on 3 sides was cream in colour and had a chequered decal at the front which was black and gold. I made a few of these for Kyle some time ago. He may have an extra one left he could spare you. Regards Gary --- On Thu, 7/1/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Checkered Artwork Mech > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 13:52 > I just looked at the pic of the Mech > Cover...I swear I can't see a single checkered pattern on > that red!? I even zoomed in really close....what am I > missing? > Jackie > > > > On Jan 7, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Aaron H wrote: > > > Kyle and Jackie, > > > > If the red mech cover has to be painted over....I have > the grey and white > > checkered decals that go on the sides. > > > > Aaron > > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Mechanical Music of > S.F. < > > mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> > >> Jackie, NO NO NO. > >> You would NEVER paint over the checkered artwork > on a mech cover such as > >> this. > >> Even the red ones in good condition are a little > rare since they were > >> easily mangled. > >> If it's in good condition, you leave it just the > way it is.? It probably > >> signifies an early production G. > >> It's a red jukebox with an otherwise red mechanism > and it's going to rock > >> its red mech cover. > >> You got that? Do I have to come there and tattoo > it on you? > >> Repeat after me: "I will not paint over this part > unless it looks like > >> crap." > >> > >> As for the title strip holders they are plastic, > but may have triangular > >> foil stickers on them denoting musical styles. > >> > >> > >> Kyle ~ > >> Mechanical Music of San Francisco > >> > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by > Microsoft. > >> > >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Aaron Heverin > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 7 07:34:19 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Thu Jan 7 07:36:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Searching the list archives. Message-ID: <649156.46736.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I too subscribe to the digest format. I'm usually content to wait for the giant digest email to arrive around mid-afternoon, sit back with a cup-O-joe and wade throught the chatter. However lately, since I'm actively involved in a restoration and have tons of questions, I do this: Link over to: http://webreports.netlojix.com/pipermail/jukebox-list/ Select the current month. I like to use the "View by: Thread" option. >From here you can hit the browser's refresh button any time to see new postings at the bottom. I'm able to track commentary I'm interested in in a timely manner and not have to deal with myriad emails throughout the day. Bob's friendly TIP-O-The-DAY! From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 7 07:49:44 2010 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Thu Jan 7 07:51:28 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Checkered Artwork Mech In-Reply-To: <43AE1B01-56F4-4CB7-B249-18D37BE00239@verizon.net> Message-ID: <902743.19586.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Jackie, further to my earlier email regarding the chequered decals I made for Kyle. I must apologise, I remember now they were for his G120 and not for the G80. However, there is an off chance I may still have the original artwork I reproduced for my G80 somewhere at home. I will let you know if I find it. Gary --- On Thu, 7/1/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Checkered Artwork Mech > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 13:52 > I just looked at the pic of the Mech > Cover...I swear I can't see a single checkered pattern on > that red!? I even zoomed in really close....what am I > missing? > Jackie > > > > On Jan 7, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Aaron H wrote: > > > Kyle and Jackie, > > > > If the red mech cover has to be painted over....I have > the grey and white > > checkered decals that go on the sides. > > > > Aaron > > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Mechanical Music of > S.F. < > > mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> > >> Jackie, NO NO NO. > >> You would NEVER paint over the checkered artwork > on a mech cover such as > >> this. > >> Even the red ones in good condition are a little > rare since they were > >> easily mangled. > >> If it's in good condition, you leave it just the > way it is.? It probably > >> signifies an early production G. > >> It's a red jukebox with an otherwise red mechanism > and it's going to rock > >> its red mech cover. > >> You got that? Do I have to come there and tattoo > it on you? > >> Repeat after me: "I will not paint over this part > unless it looks like > >> crap." > >> > >> As for the title strip holders they are plastic, > but may have triangular > >> foil stickers on them denoting musical styles. > >> > >> > >> Kyle ~ > >> Mechanical Music of San Francisco > >> > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by > Microsoft. > >> > >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Aaron Heverin > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Jan 7 07:52:30 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Thu Jan 7 07:54:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Checkered Artwork Mech In-Reply-To: <43AE1B01-56F4-4CB7-B249-18D37BE00239@verizon.net> References: <43AE1B01-56F4-4CB7-B249-18D37BE00239@verizon.net> Message-ID: It should be on the sides of the carriage cover. Couple of things: the mech shroud is the grey (if it's an F), or beige (if it's a G) plastic that frames in the entire mech area. The carriage cover is the red with grey checkered decal (if it's an F) or a beige with no decal (if it's a G) metal three piece "box" that sits on top of the carriage and is held in place with three screws. Aaron On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > I just looked at the pic of the Mech Cover...I swear I can't see a single > checkered pattern on that red! I even zoomed in really close....what am I > missing? > Jackie > > > > On Jan 7, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Aaron H wrote: > > > Kyle and Jackie, > > > > If the red mech cover has to be painted over....I have the grey and white > > checkered decals that go on the sides. > > > > Aaron > > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Mechanical Music of S.F. < > > mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> Jackie, NO NO NO. > >> You would NEVER paint over the checkered artwork on a mech cover such as > >> this. > >> Even the red ones in good condition are a little rare since they were > >> easily mangled. > >> If it's in good condition, you leave it just the way it is. It probably > >> signifies an early production G. > >> It's a red jukebox with an otherwise red mechanism and it's going to > rock > >> its red mech cover. > >> You got that? Do I have to come there and tattoo it on you? > >> Repeat after me: "I will not paint over this part unless it looks like > >> crap." > >> > >> As for the title strip holders they are plastic, but may have triangular > >> foil stickers on them denoting musical styles. > >> > >> > >> Kyle ~ > >> Mechanical Music of San Francisco > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > >> > >> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Aaron Heverin > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From fred at proteamcorvette.com Thu Jan 7 08:02:59 2010 From: fred at proteamcorvette.com (Fred Michaelis) Date: Thu Jan 7 08:14:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fwd: Rock-Ola 1436 Plastic dome References: <015BA94A-043F-4A25-968E-66CE6F27B03E@proteamcorvette.com> Message-ID: > From: Proteam Corvette > Date: December 22, 2009 6:28:13 PM EST > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Cc: > Subject: Rock-Ola 1436 Plastic dome I sent out Rock-Ola 1436 Plastic dome to get price on them if any body is interest in some new one let me know. > You can call me at 419- 392-2699 or E-mail me at > fred@proteamcorvette.com > Thanks Fred > >> PS looking for a NOS decal for the Center glass on the dome (Fire >> ball 120 ) and the decal for the coin > > > > > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 09:07:09 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jan 7 09:08:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Whut ????? In-Reply-To: <148311.70619.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <605830.6903.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, and All, That was my point--the "questions" alone look "fony" to me--- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Jay wrote: From: Jay Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Whut ????? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 5:17 AM That is a worthwhile juke, but not that expensive yet.? I can believe it if it was a VL200.? A Seeburg G? No. What baffles me if the fact that people are asking the seller questions and are interested... I agree with one post on here.? It might be a fraudulent seller. --- On Thu, 1/7/10, John Robertson wrote: > From: John Robertson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Whut ????? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 12:25 AM > Ron Rich wrote: > > Hi All, > > Anyone have any idea what'z going on here ?? EBay Item > number: > > 140370727730? Ron Rich > > > > > > > >? ? > An HF100G for $12,000 and the seller doesn't post pictures? > Probably a hijacked account...or an idiot - note the person > has never sold anything on eBay before. > > > John :-#(# > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada > V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, > VideoGames) > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From lavin at cheqnet.net Thu Jan 7 11:20:06 2010 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Thu Jan 7 11:21:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> Message-ID: <78BF9C14EC4D481780161612E4B2008D@dennis1cb9fd78> Hi Jackie, Cngrat's on your AMI G80 find ! I have had a F80 in Firercracker red, and a G80 Bright yellow for some years now, and really enjoy them. When folk's stop over and listen to them, they are blowen away on the sound from those jukes . There about the simplest juke to work on, others have mentioed this also. Almost allways the 'zip" cord is bad, but it is an easy repair. Like others sugest, get a manual, it has everything in it you will need to get-er goin again. keep us posted! Cheers-dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > Hi to all, > 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby > is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver > lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me > account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's > condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) > > My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing > it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a > trip to NC to get it. I really am hooked > > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 > Jackie > Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/05/10 13:35:00 From jhayes2613 at aol.com Thu Jan 7 11:36:24 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 7 11:38:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby In-Reply-To: <78BF9C14EC4D481780161612E4B2008D@dennis1cb9fd78> References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> <78BF9C14EC4D481780161612E4B2008D@dennis1cb9fd78> Message-ID: <8CC5DE7D4D72653-886C-1FD5@webmail-d018.sysops.aol.com> How will my E sound in comparion here? -----Original Message----- From: Dennis and Sue To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2010 1:20 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My new baby Hi Jackie, Cngrat's on your AMI G80 find ! I have had a F80 in Firercracker red, and a G80 Bright yellow for some years now, and really enjoy them. When folk's stop over and listen to them, they are blowen away on the sound from those jukes . There about the simplest juke to work on, others have mentioed this also. Almost allways the 'zip" cord is bad, but it is an easy repair. Like others sugest, get a manual, it has everything in it you will need to get-er goin again. keep us posted! Cheers-dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > Hi to all, > 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby > is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver > lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me > account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's > condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) > > My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing > it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a > trip to NC to get it. I really am hooked > > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 > Jackie > Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/05/10 13:35:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Jan 7 12:00:02 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Thu Jan 7 12:01:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby In-Reply-To: <8CC5DE7D4D72653-886C-1FD5@webmail-d018.sysops.aol.com> References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> <78BF9C14EC4D481780161612E4B2008D@dennis1cb9fd78> <8CC5DE7D4D72653-886C-1FD5@webmail-d018.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: The E is an excellent sounding jukebox... but the F was where AMI introduced it's "Multi-Horn High-Fidelity" sound cabinet. This new design incorporated a horn tweeter mounted in a dome, and a 10" bass woofer mounted in an enclosed area in the bottom of the cabinet so that the bass was directed out the bottom through ports. So you feel the bass just as much as you hear it. The E was still using a full range 15" speaker similar to what every other jukebox manufacturer was using at this time (or earlier). But don't get me wrong. For music from that period - 1953 and earlier, the E was a great sounding jukebox. If you've ever heard an F or a G on a hardwood floor with a tone-arm modification made to a more modern magnetic cartridge rather than the standard GE VR-II cart that was standard in those jukes, then you know how magnificent they sound. If you've never heard one...then you're really missing something. As I've said many times before... there is no better sounding jukebox...period! :-) I mean, you haven't lived until you've heard "Everybody Have Fun Tonight" by Wang Chung through a 1954 jukebox and have it knock things off a piano sitting nearby because the bass is deafening. All that for 25 watts too! Aaron On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > How will my E sound in comparion here? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis and Sue > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2010 1:20 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > > > Hi Jackie, Cngrat's on your AMI G80 find ! > I have had a F80 in Firercracker red, and a G80 Bright yellow for some > years now, and really enjoy them. > > When folk's stop over and listen to them, they are blowen away on the sound > from those jukes . There about the simplest juke to work on, others have > mentioed this also. Almost allways the 'zip" cord is bad, but it is an easy > repair. > > Like others sugest, get a manual, it has everything in it you will need to > get-er goin again. > > keep us posted! > > Cheers-dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:50 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > > > Hi to all, > > 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new > baby > is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the > silver > lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil > Me > account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's > > condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) > > > > My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing > > it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a > > trip to NC to get it. I really am hooked > > > > > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 > > Jackie > > Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/05/10 > 13:35:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From jhayes2613 at aol.com Thu Jan 7 12:49:23 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 7 12:51:22 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby In-Reply-To: References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net><78BF9C14EC4D481780161612E4B2008D@dennis1cb9fd78><8CC5DE7D4D72653-886C-1FD5@webmail-d018.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC5DF206FC0611-A10-1467@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com> If only I could get around to working on mine... -----Original Message----- From: Aaron H To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2010 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My new baby The E is an excellent sounding jukebox... but the F was where AMI introduced t's "Multi-Horn High-Fidelity" sound cabinet. This new design incorporated horn tweeter mounted in a dome, and a 10" bass woofer mounted in an nclosed area in the bottom of the cabinet so that the bass was directed out he bottom through ports. So you feel the bass just as much as you hear it. he E was still using a full range 15" speaker similar to what every other ukebox manufacturer was using at this time (or earlier). But don't get me rong. For music from that period - 1953 and earlier, the E was a great ounding jukebox. If you've ever heard an F or a G on a hardwood floor with a tone-arm odification made to a more modern magnetic cartridge rather than the tandard GE VR-II cart that was standard in those jukes, then you know how agnificent they sound. If you've never heard one...then you're really issing something. As I've said many times before... there is no better ounding jukebox...period! :-) I mean, you haven't lived until you've heard Everybody Have Fun Tonight" by Wang Chung through a 1954 jukebox and have t knock things off a piano sitting nearby because the bass is deafening. ll that for 25 watts too! Aaron On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > How will my E sound in comparion here? -----Original Message----- From: Dennis and Sue To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2010 1:20 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My new baby Hi Jackie, Cngrat's on your AMI G80 find ! I have had a F80 in Firercracker red, and a G80 Bright yellow for some years now, and really enjoy them. When folk's stop over and listen to them, they are blowen away on the sound from those jukes . There about the simplest juke to work on, others have mentioed this also. Almost allways the 'zip" cord is bad, but it is an easy repair. Like others sugest, get a manual, it has everything in it you will need to get-er goin again. keep us posted! Cheers-dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > Hi to all, > 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new baby > is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the silver > lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil Me > account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's > condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) > > My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing > it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a > trip to NC to get it. I really am hooked > > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 > Jackie > Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/05/10 13:35:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -- aron Heverin ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ = From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Thu Jan 7 12:56:03 2010 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Thu Jan 7 13:04:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Whut ????? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <932384.34448.qm@web86702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> There is some guy selling what looks like quite a decent 3WA wallbox on UK eBay at the moment in two bits - he's listed the cover separate from the main unit! Am I missing something?? Why?? Norman. ________________________________ From: Mechanical Music of S.F. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thursday, 7 January, 2010 6:02:24 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Whut ????? Obviously, eBay sellers are turning to crack. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Jan 7 13:04:03 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Thu Jan 7 13:05:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] G200 Cart update In-Reply-To: References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net><78BF9C14EC4D481780161612E4B2008D@dennis1cb9fd78><8CC5DE7D4D72653-886C-1FD5@webmail-d018.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <87A24F6C801749FEA409EC8143B8E6AE@p4> My G200 still has the GE cart installed...and I think it sounds good. Is there a noticeable improvement with a newer cart? Are there any exact fit replacements? I imagine the L/R channels will need bridged to mono, but will the tone-arm require modification? With this cart update, will I also have deafening, window rattling, china shattering bass? Mine is strong, but not thumping. I believe the guy I got it from in Nov 08, told me it has about a 10-15 year rebuild on it. So that puts it middle to late 90's. Don't think he ever said if the amp had been recapped. Guess I could pull it and look. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron H Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:00 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My new baby The E is an excellent sounding jukebox... but the F was where AMI introduced it's "Multi-Horn High-Fidelity" sound cabinet. This new design incorporated a horn tweeter mounted in a dome, and a 10" bass woofer mounted in an enclosed area in the bottom of the cabinet so that the bass was directed out the bottom through ports. So you feel the bass just as much as you hear it. The E was still using a full range 15" speaker similar to what every other jukebox manufacturer was using at this time (or earlier). But don't get me wrong. For music from that period - 1953 and earlier, the E was a great sounding jukebox. If you've ever heard an F or a G on a hardwood floor with a tone-arm modification made to a more modern magnetic cartridge rather than the standard GE VR-II cart that was standard in those jukes, then you know how magnificent they sound. If you've never heard one...then you're really missing something. As I've said many times before... there is no better sounding jukebox...period! :-) I mean, you haven't lived until you've heard "Everybody Have Fun Tonight" by Wang Chung through a 1954 jukebox and have it knock things off a piano sitting nearby because the bass is deafening. All that for 25 watts too! Aaron On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > How will my E sound in comparion here? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis and Sue > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2010 1:20 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > > > Hi Jackie, Cngrat's on your AMI G80 find ! > I have had a F80 in Firercracker red, and a G80 Bright yellow for some > years now, and really enjoy them. > > When folk's stop over and listen to them, they are blowen away on the sound > from those jukes . There about the simplest juke to work on, others have > mentioed this also. Almost allways the 'zip" cord is bad, but it is an easy > repair. > > Like others sugest, get a manual, it has everything in it you will need to > get-er goin again. > > keep us posted! > > Cheers-dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:50 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > > > Hi to all, > > 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new > baby > is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the > silver > lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my Mobil > Me > account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's > > condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) > > > > My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is storing > > it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan a > > trip to NC to get it. I really am hooked > > > > > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 > > Jackie > > Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/05/10 > 13:35:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2605 - Release Date: 01/07/10 01:35:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 13:07:49 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jan 7 13:09:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Whut ????? In-Reply-To: <932384.34448.qm@web86702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <755.39205.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Norman, I think that's called the "part-mentality"? ---- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 1/7/10, NORMAN MACRAE wrote: From: NORMAN MACRAE Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Whut ????? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 12:56 PM There is some guy selling what looks like quite a decent 3WA wallbox on UK eBay at the moment in two bits - he's listed the cover separate from the main unit!? Am I missing something??? Why?? Norman. ________________________________ From: Mechanical Music of S.F. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thursday, 7 January, 2010 6:02:24 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Whut ????? Obviously, eBay sellers are turning to crack. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Jan 7 13:18:45 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Thu Jan 7 13:20:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] G200 Cart update In-Reply-To: <87A24F6C801749FEA409EC8143B8E6AE@p4> References: <28CFBE4B-F4BF-4B5D-9A16-D6CE3FC2B936@verizon.net> <78BF9C14EC4D481780161612E4B2008D@dennis1cb9fd78> <8CC5DE7D4D72653-886C-1FD5@webmail-d018.sysops.aol.com> <87A24F6C801749FEA409EC8143B8E6AE@p4> Message-ID: Rich, The list community went into lengthly discussions about this last year and I'm pretty sure the general opinion was that the Pickering NP/AC cartridge was the choice for the upgrade. It's almost a dead-on fit into the tone-arm with only the slightest bit of modification in how it's mounted. That's what I'm running in my F-120 and G-120. I'm working on restoring a G-200 at the moment and I've already got the NP/AC ready to go in when the time comes. Jay can fill in the blanks on this one, but I swapped out the pre-amp tube in the R-145 amp... what is that, the 12AX7(?) for a 12AU7. I may have backwards...but hopefully Jay can chime in. This gave a little more gain to the amp from the pre-amp stage. Of course, you'll have to adjust the tracking pressure of the tone-arm, and you may need to adjust to tone-arm height as well. But this relatively simple conversion is something that will bring a huge smile to your face especially if you play more recent stereo records and your G-200 didn't come with a stereo version of the VR-II. I was the biggest purest in the world when it came to doing this conversion. Frankly, the VR-II sounds great!! But my wife wanted some 80s music in the G-120 and they just didn't sound good. So after hearing about the conversion on the list, I decided to give it a try since I had a few NP/ACs laying around the shop as well as several tone-arms to test it out on. After I scraped my jaw off the ground, I converted everything over. And yes... you do have to bridge the two channels. Aaron On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:04 PM, SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > My G200 still has the GE cart installed...and I think it sounds good. Is > there a noticeable improvement with a newer cart? Are there any exact fit > replacements? I imagine the L/R channels will need bridged to mono, but > will the tone-arm require modification? With this cart update, will I also > have deafening, window rattling, china shattering bass? Mine is strong, > but > not thumping. I believe the guy I got it from in Nov 08, told me it has > about a 10-15 year rebuild on it. So that puts it middle to late 90's. > Don't think he ever said if the amp had been recapped. Guess I could pull > it and look. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron H > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:00 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > > The E is an excellent sounding jukebox... but the F was where AMI > introduced > it's "Multi-Horn High-Fidelity" sound cabinet. This new design incorporated > a horn tweeter mounted in a dome, and a 10" bass woofer mounted in an > enclosed area in the bottom of the cabinet so that the bass was directed > out > the bottom through ports. So you feel the bass just as much as you hear it. > The E was still using a full range 15" speaker similar to what every other > jukebox manufacturer was using at this time (or earlier). But don't get me > wrong. For music from that period - 1953 and earlier, the E was a great > sounding jukebox. > > If you've ever heard an F or a G on a hardwood floor with a tone-arm > modification made to a more modern magnetic cartridge rather than the > standard GE VR-II cart that was standard in those jukes, then you know how > magnificent they sound. If you've never heard one...then you're really > missing something. As I've said many times before... there is no better > sounding jukebox...period! :-) I mean, you haven't lived until you've heard > "Everybody Have Fun Tonight" by Wang Chung through a 1954 jukebox and have > it knock things off a piano sitting nearby because the bass is deafening. > All that for 25 watts too! > > Aaron > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > > > How will my E sound in comparion here? > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dennis and Sue > > To: Jukebox mailing list > > Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2010 1:20 pm > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > > > > > > Hi Jackie, Cngrat's on your AMI G80 find ! > > I have had a F80 in Firercracker red, and a G80 Bright yellow for some > > years now, and really enjoy them. > > > > When folk's stop over and listen to them, they are blowen away on the > sound > > from those jukes . There about the simplest juke to work on, others have > > mentioed this also. Almost allways the 'zip" cord is bad, but it is an > easy > > repair. > > > > Like others sugest, get a manual, it has everything in it you will need > to > > get-er goin again. > > > > keep us posted! > > > > Cheers-dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:50 PM > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new baby > > > > > Hi to all, > > > 2010 has started off pretty good...from a Jukebox standpoint...my new > > baby > is a AMI G 80 select. It's in VERY rough shape but I can see the > > silver > lining with lots of luck and hard work. Below is a link to my > Mobil > > Me > account through Apple where you can get a good look and gasp at it's > > > > condition. The good news...I got it for a song. :) > > > > > > My wonderful Son drove 3 hrs one way to pick it up for me and is > storing > > > it in his garage for a very limited time, lol, now I just need to plan > a > > > > trip to NC to get it. I really am hooked > > > > > > > > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100058 > > > Jackie > > > Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: > 01/05/10 > > 13:35:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2605 - Release Date: 01/07/10 > 01:35:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Jan 7 13:40:06 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Jan 7 13:41:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Checkered Artwork Mech Message-ID: We should start standardizing our lingo. As on a Seeburg, the thing covering the traveling mechanism carriage is usually referred to as a "mech cover." We'll confuse Jackie if we start referring to it as otherwise. The F and G also have the large plastic surround trim piece, but it never touches the mechanism, so isn't really a mech cover. I don't have my manual handy to see what they call it, but it's a big plastic shroud. This is Gary's 120 decal he made for me. It's fantastic. It is on the plastic shroud, a large 3 sided plastic trim piece. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20G120/new120decal.jpg?t=1262898368 The MECH COVER is the metal shroud over the turntable - the actual record playing mechanism. The sides of the red ones seem to usually have a checkered design on them. Here's a photo of mine. Check out the rare artwork on the glass! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20G120/mechcover.jpg?t=1262898501 Be nice if we could post photos here instead of links. Jay, your Model E sound will depend on the condition of the components. The AMI amps hold up well and are simple, but like any, you could have tube and capacitor issues. Jackie, no need to always go to Victory Glass for manuals. They're usually $5-$15 less on eBay. In this case, same price. Only one other offering them. See item # 200368986090 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jan 7 13:44:24 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jan 7 13:47:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] G200 Cart update Message-ID: <20100107.164424.17333.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Rich: Upgrading to a stereo magnetic cartridge in your AMI G-200 from the mono GE VR (variable reluctance) type magnetic cartridge will make a noticable improvement in the sound "resolution" of what you hear. Audio results will be most noticeable when tracking newer stereo recordings. It won't make things sound louder and stronger. The newer pickup can track records at a lighter weight than the GE, extending record and needle life. There are perhaps 3 or 4 suitable stereo mag cartridge choices that would be a great fit here. If you wanted to get a house-rockin' level of bass out of your juke, it would be possible to do that with the GE cartridge when tracking a mono recording with a driving drum/bass soundtrack. If it's not possible to get that kind of performance level, this indicates that 1. Although it plays reasonably well, the amp probably needs a re-hab job. If it's got the original paper caps in it, time is working against them being in 100% usable condition. Amp is probably running at less than it's optimum performance level. 2. There's a deficency/problem with the horn- loaded speaker drivers or crossover components. 3. The juke is not set up to deliver optimum sound results in it's environment Low freq sound is reflected off the floor with this model. For best sound results, juke (on it's legs) should be sitting over uncarpeted hard floor surface, preferably in a room corner. All frequency ranges will blend best to the ear at a distance several feet in front of the machine. Speaker system of this type will shine best in larger rooms. A horn loaded spkr system is naturally about 6 db more efficient than it's direct-radiating brethren. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=jYrpis7-fpeoeUdoT6R1jQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 13:52:47 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jan 7 13:54:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Annoudder "Whut" ? Message-ID: <140892.57760.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> EBay item # 130356997976--Looks like a re-packaged pair of very worn/dirty Seeburg Blue--SAPPHIRE-not diamond--needles to me. They fit all Seeburg stereo's from the 220 to the PFEA modes--NOTHING else--despite what seller writ !!? Ron Rich From pat2355 at aol.com Thu Jan 7 13:48:50 2010 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 7 13:57:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Not in the right catagory or not worth 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC5DFA54E1F38D-2F30-1BF20@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> Rock Ola Juke Box Model 1484 - eBay (item 270511466855 end time Jan-16-10 10:23:53 PST) Kinda wondering why this guys gotten no bids. I'll admit the pic show pretty rough chrome, but it looks complete and the seller claims it plays. Picked a poor category to list it. Pat From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 14:43:07 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Jan 7 14:44:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] G200 Cart update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <317121.83019.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Aaron H wrote: > The list community went into lengthly discussions about > this last year and > I'm pretty sure the general opinion was that the Pickering > NP/AC cartridge was the choice for the upgrade. Not to rehash everything, but my G-200 has a Shure 44 which is a bolt-in replacement for the VR-II and it sounds great. I didn't have to change anything in the amp. However, these cartridges are no longer made from what I can tell. Somewhere in the archive I discuss how to make a "stereo cartridge converter" for the tonearm using some tinned wire and stereo-size cartridge clips. As I recall, it's complete with ASCII artwork. But, hold on to the VR-II! They are excellent pickups for playing 78s. If you don't want it, send it to me. :-) From berrycbell at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 15:11:25 2010 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Thu Jan 7 15:13:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] G200 Cart update In-Reply-To: <317121.83019.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <317121.83019.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Or, if you don't send it to David, please send the GE VRII to me! I'd suggest you install a new needle and see how you like it first before you remove the cartridge and delicate wiring.. I'm VERY high on this cartridge and think it sounds tremendous! Berry Bell On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:43 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Aaron H wrote: > > > The list community went into lengthly discussions about > > this last year and > > I'm pretty sure the general opinion was that the Pickering > > NP/AC cartridge was the choice for the upgrade. > > Not to rehash everything, but my G-200 has a Shure 44 which > is a bolt-in replacement for the VR-II and it sounds great. > I didn't have to change anything in the amp. However, these > cartridges are no longer made from what I can tell. Somewhere > in the archive I discuss how to make a "stereo cartridge > converter" for the tonearm using some tinned wire and > stereo-size cartridge clips. As I recall, it's complete > with ASCII artwork. > > But, hold on to the VR-II! They are excellent pickups > for playing 78s. If you don't want it, send it to me. :-) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From bobe at halted.com Thu Jan 7 15:32:21 2010 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Thu Jan 7 15:52:07 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] G200 Cart update Message-ID: <2.2.32.20100107233221.009bc760@hsces.com> At 03:11 PM 1/7/2010 -0800, you wrote: >Or, if you don't send it to David, please send the GE VRII to me! I'd >suggest you install a new needle and see how you like it first before you >remove the cartridge and delicate wiring.. I'm VERY high on this cartridge >and think it sounds tremendous! > I have a never-used, still-in-box GE RPX-046 "variable reluctance" cartridge, along with a couple of never-used, still-in-cute-plastic-capsule stylus assemblies...does anyone know if this would work in a 78-playing juke? It lists the resistance (DC) as approx. 220 ohms, and inductance approx. 250 mH. Output is approx. 10 mV on a standard groove record, 8.5 mV on a microgroove record, and wants to track at 6 to 9 grams with a 1 mil. stylus, or 1/2 to 1 ounce with a 2.5 or 3 mil. stylus. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From joe400f at shaw.ca Thu Jan 7 16:34:29 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Thu Jan 7 16:36:18 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI G80 References: Message-ID: <000a01ca8ffa$5730eaa0$48944e18@compaq> Early glass artwork? What's that? Selection numbers on the glass? Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." To: Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:47 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI G80 Re: Mech cover, red. Joey, if it's an early G, this could be the original mech cover. The early Gs used up some of the peripheral overstock on F parts. The red cover had been in use for at least 3 years and they probably had boxes of unused disassembled leftovers. It's not uncommon to see a red one on them. My G has the prototype early glass artwork, the cartridge used in the F, and a red cover. The parts inside are all marked 9/54 in red grease pencil, so definitely an early G. I'm pretty sure it was a pre production model. It also had the rarely seen glitter sprinkled paint job. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Jan 7 17:04:18 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Thu Jan 7 17:05:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Checkered Artwork Mech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kyle, You are absolutely right. If you check out page 28 and 29 of the G-40-80-120 service manual...figures 21 and 22 show the "Carriage - Right side view" and "Carriage - top view" respectfully. That is why it is not correct to refer the cover as the "mech cover" rather than the "carriage cover" as it is shown on page 33, figure 26. Using "mech cover" would not be correct because the mechanism is shown on page 25 of the G-120 manual where it states that the "carriage and record racks have been removed." But the jokes on me... because page 7, figure 7 shows part number L-681 through 6832 as being the "mechanism trim and decal assembly." Where I got mech shroud from is beyond me... but that part is really what it is... a shroud around the Model 700 or 800 mechanism. Aaron On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. < mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> wrote: > > We should start standardizing our lingo. As on a Seeburg, the thing > covering the traveling mechanism carriage is usually referred to as a "mech > cover." We'll confuse Jackie if we start referring to it as otherwise. > The F and G also have the large plastic surround trim piece, but it never > touches the mechanism, so isn't really a mech cover. I don't have my manual > handy to see what they call it, but it's a big plastic shroud. > > This is Gary's 120 decal he made for me. It's fantastic. > It is on the plastic shroud, a large 3 sided plastic trim piece. > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20G120/new120decal.jpg?t=1262898368 > > The MECH COVER is the metal shroud over the turntable - the actual record > playing mechanism. > The sides of the red ones seem to usually have a checkered design on them. > Here's a photo of mine. Check out the rare artwork on the glass! > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20G120/mechcover.jpg?t=1262898501 > > Be nice if we could post photos here instead of links. > > Jay, your Model E sound will depend on the condition of the components. > The AMI amps hold up well and are simple, but like any, you could have tube > and capacitor issues. > > Jackie, no need to always go to Victory Glass for manuals. They're usually > $5-$15 less on eBay. In this case, same price. Only one other offering them. > See item # 200368986090 > > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Jan 7 17:40:09 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Jan 7 17:41:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: G200 Cart update Message-ID: Keep in mind, the Stanton 500 is literally EXACTLY the same cartridge as the NP/AC, and because of the glut of DJs using them and eventually upgrading, there's a zillion of them out there cheap, as well as replacement styli often poorly listed. I've bought new styli for them for $5. Radio Shack carried it for a while and I snatched up several cheap discontinued styli under the Realistic brand name. Nearly all of the Stanton cartridges have a Pickering equivalent. They are the same company. They tend to market Stanton to professionals and Pickering to the home user. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Jan 7 17:57:33 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Jan 7 17:59:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? Message-ID: Oh dear, oh dear. We apparently haven't discovered Google. The GE RPX-046 was designed to play 78s and LPs. Here's youtube video of one doing just that (78s). You can track a 78 with it fantastically at just 8 grams. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu4MAJSUfO0 As for the Shure N-44, it's popular with DJs and is still being made - in droves. You can find scores of them in a Google or eBay search. The N-44 is a TALL cartridge, though and it could require a lot of adjusting to clear the record transfer arm when it's playing the B side. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Jan 7 18:07:38 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Jan 7 18:09:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Re: AMI G80 Message-ID: Did you see the picture? The selection glasses weren't shown. The outdated list format won't show viewable photos for comparison, so here come the links. I have the glass which shows the same artwork from the artwork on the manual, and only a few glasses like this are known to exist: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20G120/Finished.jpg?t=1262916030 The production run was switched to this, a block script for "High Fidelity": http://www.jukeboxparts.com/IMG_6926.JPG Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco -------------- Early glass artwork? What's that? Selection numbers on the glass? Joey McDonald _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Thu Jan 7 18:14:54 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Thu Jan 7 18:16:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Re: AMI G80 References: Message-ID: <001b01ca9008$5dee8010$48944e18@compaq> Cool. I didn't know there was 2 types. Mine is the squared off one. Thanks for the pics. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." To: Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:07 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Re: AMI G80 Did you see the picture? The selection glasses weren't shown. The outdated list format won't show viewable photos for comparison, so here come the links. I have the glass which shows the same artwork from the artwork on the manual, and only a few glasses like this are known to exist: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20G120/Finished.jpg?t=1262916030 The production run was switched to this, a block script for "High Fidelity": http://www.jukeboxparts.com/IMG_6926.JPG Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco -------------- Early glass artwork? What's that? Selection numbers on the glass? Joey McDonald _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Jan 7 18:27:46 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Jan 7 18:29:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Checkered Artwork Mech Message-ID: The problem really isn't what we're calling them in these messages. We understand, but there was definite confusion on Jackie's part. She hasn't seen the machine in person and the photos she's been supplied leave quite a bit to be desired. I think despite what manufacturers called things 50 years ago (few ever used the word "jukebox," even), in circles such as ours, most of us would know what a "mech cover" was. I tend to forget that we're not all at the same place in the hobby, and that's what's second nature to some is Greek to others... like when the guys start going on about tube biases and all that. Complete Greek to me. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 19:18:11 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Jan 7 19:19:47 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] G200 Cart update In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20100107233221.009bc760@hsces.com> Message-ID: <850549.58607.qm@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Bob Ellingson wrote: > I have a never-used, still-in-box GE RPX-046 "variable > reluctance" > cartridge, along with a couple of never-used, > still-in-cute-plastic-capsule > stylus assemblies...does anyone know if this would work in > a 78-playing juke? Most 78 jukeboxes used crystal/ceramic cartridges, which have a line-level output. A magnetic cartridge has microphone-level output, which is a signal that is an order of magnitude weaker. Maybe someone out there has a list of magnetic-pickup 78 jukeboxes; unfortunately I don't. Interested parties can search the archive for prior threads about using low-vertical-compliance pickups on stereo 45s. From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Jan 7 19:31:31 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Jan 7 19:33:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Checkered Artwork Mech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kyle, Confusion is my middle name...thanks for understanding my shortomings. You are correct, I was thinking the Mech Cover was the red Turntable Cover...after looking at many pics, I now know what everyone is talking about. I hadn't even noticed that part of the Jukebox....I am really anxious to get on the road and bring it home...I can't say this enough, Thank You to everyone for advice, information and pics Jackie On Jan 7, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > The problem really isn't what we're calling them in these messages. We understand, but there was definite confusion on Jackie's part. She hasn't seen the machine in person and the photos she's been supplied leave quite a bit to be desired. > > I think despite what manufacturers called things 50 years ago (few ever used the word "jukebox," even), in circles such as ours, most of us would know what a "mech cover" was. I tend to forget that we're not all at the same place in the hobby, and that's what's second nature to some is Greek to others... like when the guys start going on about tube biases and all that. > Complete Greek to me. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 20:32:45 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Jan 7 20:34:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Checkered Artwork Mech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <668165.22512.qm@web112114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > Here's a photo of mine. Check out the rare artwork on > the glass! > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20G120/mechcover.jpg?t=1262898501 This picture raises a question. Does anyone reproduce the gold applique for the tone arm? I removed it from mine because someone along the way had "touched it up" with copper-color model paint. It looked like hell. > Be nice if we could post photos here instead of > links. No, I gotta disagree with this. HTML, attachments and imbedded anything have no place on a mailing list. That opens up a whole Pandora's Box of compatibility and bandwidth issues. It's not hard to place non-ASCII items on a web site and link them. I'll be doing that this weekend with my G-200 credit accumulator pictures. If anyone has any pictures they want to make available to the group and does not have their own web site, I hereby offer a standing invitation to put them on my site at http://tildebang.com/jukebox . Just email them to me. From cathie-m at hotmail.com Tue Jan 5 12:21:25 2010 From: cathie-m at hotmail.com (Catherine McCafferty) Date: Thu Jan 7 22:58:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] parts number Message-ID: can anyone help me find the part # for the wire harness that connects the selection buttons and the selection print board for the ROCK_OLA 488 the manual I have doesn't tell me,I am trying to purchase one from victory glass but they say they need 5 didgit # thanks cathie _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Fri Jan 8 00:42:26 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Fri Jan 8 00:44:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: G200 Cart update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I find the NP/AC more suitable for jukebox use at it's output is 10mv - as opposed to the Stanton 500AL whose output is 4.5mv (and the earlier versions were only 1 mv). On machines expecting a higher output (GE replacement Amis for example), the NP/AC is a better option. I think due to its higher output gives a punchier sound. There is a relatively new Stanton equivalent of the now discontinued NP/AC, but I can't remember its number off hand. Nigel, UK > > Keep in mind, the Stanton 500 is literally EXACTLY the same cartridge as > the NP/AC, and because of the glut of DJs using them and eventually > upgrading, there's a zillion of them out there cheap, as well as > replacement styli often poorly listed. I've bought new styli for them for > $5. Radio Shack carried it for a while and I snatched up several cheap > discontinued styli under the Realistic brand name. > Nearly all of the Stanton cartridges have a Pickering equivalent. They are > the same company. > They tend to market Stanton to professionals and Pickering to the home > user. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From byersj at btinternet.com Fri Jan 8 03:45:00 2010 From: byersj at btinternet.com (Jon Byers) Date: Fri Jan 8 03:53:17 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: G200 Cart update Message-ID: <609809.32503.qm@smtp111-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I used the Stanton 400 v3 on my Wurlitzer 2000 last month. That cartridge is also 10mV. The juke now rocks! I would like to thank Jim Alexander for his help with the amp modification (which as it transpired was very easy). Jon -----Original Message----- From: pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sent: 08 January 2010 08:42 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: G200 Cart update I find the NP/AC more suitable for jukebox use at it's output is 10mv - as opposed to the Stanton 500AL whose output is 4.5mv (and the earlier versions were only 1 mv). On machines expecting a higher output (GE replacement Amis for example), the NP/AC is a better option. I think due to its higher output gives a punchier sound. There is a relatively new Stanton equivalent of the now discontinued NP/AC, but I can't remember its number off hand. Nigel, UK > > Keep in mind, the Stanton 500 is literally EXACTLY the same cartridge as > the NP/AC, and because of the glut of DJs using them and eventually > upgrading, there's a zillion of them out there cheap, as well as > replacement styli often poorly listed. I've bought new styli for them for > $5. Radio Shack carried it for a while and I snatched up several cheap > discontinued styli under the Realistic brand name. > Nearly all of the Stanton cartridges have a Pickering equivalent. They are > the same company. > They tend to market Stanton to professionals and Pickering to the home > user. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jan 8 04:42:28 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Jan 8 04:44:18 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Re: AMI G80 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <996A388D-C0E0-4856-BA4A-30621ECAFAFF@verizon.net> Kyle, I think I like the artwork on your's if I had a choice, however either is nice and I will be needing to find something for mine. Are these Decals or painted on the glass? Jackie On Jan 7, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > Did you see the picture? The selection glasses weren't shown. > The outdated list format won't show viewable photos for comparison, so here come the links. > > I have the glass which shows the same artwork from the artwork on the manual, and only a few glasses like this are known to exist: > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20G120/Finished.jpg?t=1262916030 > > The production run was switched to this, a block script for "High Fidelity": > http://www.jukeboxparts.com/IMG_6926.JPG > > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > -------------- > Early glass artwork? What's that? > Selection numbers on the glass? > > Joey McDonald > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Fri Jan 8 06:00:04 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Fri Jan 8 06:01:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Re: AMI G80 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The "script" style is the one I have on my G-120...but I think I may have a few of the "block" style decals left. It's my understanding that the "decal" was silk-screened onto the glass. But the decals that I've used are vinyl cut and easily to apply if you go really slow. They are laser cut and attached to a sheet. It's one of those "peel off the back...place it on the surface...smooth out any air bubbles.... carefully peel back the paper cover..." types of applications. Anyone who's ever done one knows what I mean. Aaron On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. < mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Did you see the picture? The selection glasses weren't shown. > The outdated list format won't show viewable photos for comparison, so here > come the links. > > I have the glass which shows the same artwork from the artwork on the > manual, and only a few glasses like this are known to exist: > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20G120/Finished.jpg?t=1262916030 > > The production run was switched to this, a block script for "High > Fidelity": > http://www.jukeboxparts.com/IMG_6926.JPG > > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > -------------- > Early glass artwork? What's that? > Selection numbers on the glass? > > Joey McDonald > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Jan 8 06:52:27 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Jan 8 06:54:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <331690.86393.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > As for the Shure N-44, it's popular with DJs and is still > being made - in droves. You can find scores of them in a > Google or eBay search. The N-44 is a TALL cartridge, > though and it could require a lot of adjusting to clear the > record transfer arm when it's playing the B side. I think it underwent a redesign some time, maybe in the late 70s. The cartridge I used has a light blue stylus carrier with "44" printed on the front face, and was a drop-in replacement for the GE unit. It fit between the posts without modification. I think it's the same original equipment cartridge that's in my JAN-200. From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Jan 8 07:09:15 2010 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Jan 8 07:10:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Not in the right catagory or not worth 5 In-Reply-To: <8CC5DFA54E1F38D-2F30-1BF20@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5DFA54E1F38D-2F30-1BF20@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100108150620.M61230@dwave.net> The main reason I think he has no bids is that there are still 8 days left on the auction. Depending on how my schedule is I usually wait until the last day to place a bid. Some people wait until the last few min to place a bid. It looks like a fun project. It's fun to check out the auctions. Thanks Pat. Jeremy Agema ?On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:48:50 -0500, pat2355 wrote > Rock Ola Juke Box Model 1484 - eBay (item 270511466855 end time Jan-16-10 10:23:53 PST) > > Kinda wondering why this guys gotten no bids. I'll admit the pic show pretty rough chrome, but it looks complete and the seller claims it plays. Picked a poor category to list it. Pat > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Fri Jan 8 07:11:58 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Fri Jan 8 07:13:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? References: <331690.86393.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1296ADC4BA4F48DD807C419FD3E6F334@ownerbob1> I had a faulty N44 and temporarily replaced it with an old spare M75-ED from my hifi. The replacement carriage wouldn't fit, so I had to prise the old cartridge out of its carriage and push the replacement in. It worked fine. I was later able to buy a complete tone arm with an original N44 in it for fifteen quid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. > wrote: > >> As for the Shure N-44, it's popular with DJs and is still >> being made - in droves. You can find scores of them in a >> Google or eBay search. The N-44 is a TALL cartridge, >> though and it could require a lot of adjusting to clear the >> record transfer arm when it's playing the B side. > > I think it underwent a redesign some time, maybe in the > late 70s. The cartridge I used has a light blue stylus > carrier with "44" printed on the front face, and was a > drop-in replacement for the GE unit. It fit between > the posts without modification. I think it's the same > original equipment cartridge that's in my JAN-200. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jan 8 07:22:38 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Jan 8 07:24:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby Message-ID: <63DD1F7C-FE3E-4B52-B7BF-7452E0DA79EB@verizon.net> Good Morning, In order to make my hobby of saving a Jukebox from the dump a self-sustaining one, I am going to list my Wurlitzer 1650 on Ebay in February....are there any suggestions out there, as I have never sold anything this large or expensive? Thanks in advance, Jackie From aaron at vertasource.com Fri Jan 8 07:42:12 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Fri Jan 8 07:43:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: <63DD1F7C-FE3E-4B52-B7BF-7452E0DA79EB@verizon.net> References: <63DD1F7C-FE3E-4B52-B7BF-7452E0DA79EB@verizon.net> Message-ID: Wow! Jackie....am I reading this correctly... you want to SELL your 1650?? What happened? Aaron On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Good Morning, > In order to make my hobby of saving a Jukebox from the dump a > self-sustaining one, I am going to list my Wurlitzer 1650 on Ebay in > February....are there any suggestions out there, as I have never sold > anything this large or expensive? Thanks in advance, > Jackie_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 8 07:48:50 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 8 07:52:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: G200 Cart update Message-ID: <20100108.104850.14262.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Looking at this from the business angle of the cartridge manufacturers, I believe this is why you are finding the cartridge choices that you have. The Stanton company (Stanton Magnetics) acquired long-time manufacturing competitor Pickering several years ago as the demand for phono supplies decreased. Stanton had a model 500AL cartridge in their product line up for a long time, which was their high output conical stylus cartridge intended for DJ use and automatic record changers. The cartridge is also popular with archivists and museums that keep record collections. Stanton also made an elliptical stylus version of the cartridge (500E) and offered a 78 RPM stylus to fit this cartridge. For the list, an elliptical shaped stylus tip is an optimum device to track 12" LP's in component turntables. The elliptical tip isn't a good fit for a jukebox application. The conical tip works better for this. Record damage can occur from an improperly-tracking elliptical stylus. Stanton has a number of higher-end cartridges in their line, mostly catering to audiophile applications. Stanton has replaced the 500 series cartridge with the 400V3, which has many of the same characteristics as the 500. Make sure to specify the conical version when you buy. Pickering's equivalent entry to the Stanton 500 is their NP/AC cartridge, equipped with a conical stylus. Back in the day, Pickering had a catalog of several high end cartridges for audiophile use. The NP/AC is a higher output cartridge than the Stanton equivalent. Both companies sold OEM cartridge product to phono manufacturers. By the early 80's Asian cartridge makers picked up this market. By the late 80's CD's cut the demand for record players. Stanton stopped the manufacture of the Pickering cartridge line, as it was competitive/duplicate to the Stanton lineup. Pickering is best known among jukebox followers for developing several dual-needle cartridge designs for the Seeburg Corp. There is still quite a bit of unsold new stock of both the Pickering NP/AC, and the Stanton 500 model. Replacement stylii are plentiful for either model. The other cartridges that are good fits for jukebox work are the Shure M44C or M44-7, still in limited manufacture. Shure has an SC35C, marketed as a conical tip DJ cartridge that could be used for juke work. Shure made an M75-7 cartridge. This was an economy cartridge with conical stylus,intended for sale to phono makers. It was used by Deutsche Wurlitzer frequently. Audio Technica offers the AT3400, their equivalent to the Stanton 500, NP-AC and Shure M44 models. Not known whether the AT3400 is in manufacture or not. Sanyo-Fisher makes a conical tip stylus magnetic cartridge, originally used an OEM product for Sanyo and Fisher brand phono units. The cartridge is being sold separately now as a replacement part. Deutsche-Wurlitzer has used the Sanyo Fisher cartridge in recent OMT jukes when the Shure M75 wasn't available. In general any of these are good candidates for 45 RPM jukebox upgrades, although there are some slight differences in output. There are also differences in cartridge-body size and weight that can pose some fitment issues. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Hr9pFf3FJNxNewXkDS5BFAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Fri Jan 8 07:59:24 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Fri Jan 8 08:01:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby References: <63DD1F7C-FE3E-4B52-B7BF-7452E0DA79EB@verizon.net> Message-ID: <63EDC80EF06F45F5912ADCA06D866A43@ownerbob1> Take your time composing your write-up, make sure it is comprehensive and accurate and I'm not being personal "no spelling mistakes." Good grammar creates a good impression. Use the facilities of Ebay to make your presentation as professional as possible. Take plenty of photos they aren't expensive to include and include shots from all angles, including the interior. Make a video of it showing the process from selection, through playing a record in good condition, to the return of the record to the carousel and put it on YouTube, including the link in your write up. (So few people do this and it's a fantastic sales-aid). Start looking through "completed listings" now, to ascertain what sort of price you can expect for your machine, though it's no guarantee of future prices. Choose when to put your machine on. It's no good listing it if there's similar machines on at the same time, if you hope to get more than an amount with which others would be happy. Set a low starting price. Set a reserve price at the minimum with which you'd be happy. Watch out for "dreamers" with a poor history. You'll probably get e-mails from people wanting to buy it at below your reserve price. Say no and say you are going to let the auction run, as many jukeboxes don't get any offers until there's a flurry of activity near the close out time. Include the question and response in the listing to deter others. Choose your close-out day and time carefully. With anything I've sold on eBay, I always choose a week-end and a time that lets people get home from the pub for a possible alcohol influenced bid. Most people ask for cash on collection. For large items the eBay and Paypal fees are ridiculous. I'm sure others will tell you about things I've ommitted to mention. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:22 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby Good Morning, In order to make my hobby of saving a Jukebox from the dump a self-sustaining one, I am going to list my Wurlitzer 1650 on Ebay in February....are there any suggestions out there, as I have never sold anything this large or expensive? Thanks in advance, Jackie_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jan 8 08:04:42 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Jan 8 08:06:48 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: References: <63DD1F7C-FE3E-4B52-B7BF-7452E0DA79EB@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1FA7A9EE-510C-4F51-8DED-4198D17721A3@verizon.net> oh Aaron....don't say it like that! It makes me feel terrible. :( I am already hesitant to Sell anything, lol.....I just know I can't keep all of my Jukes in my home, it's just not big enough. The Statesman, that is dear to me as it was my first Jukebox, is in the care of my Daughter. The Rockola, which really ROCKS, is in the care of my Son-in-law....that leaves my MC-100, Trashcan, Wurly 2410, 1650 and now my AMI in my home. I really have put thought into doing this and I want to have a variety of Jukeboxes to listen to. The 1650 seems the most likely to go. The AMI will replace it and it holds more records and I think it can sound a little better than the 1650 when restored correctly. The purpose is to give me some $ to spend on the restoration of the AMI. Now...with all that said...."it ain't gone yet" lol and I AM a woman and I CAN change my mind! Jackie On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Aaron H wrote: > Wow! Jackie....am I reading this correctly... you want to SELL your 1650?? > What happened? > Aaron > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> Good Morning, >> In order to make my hobby of saving a Jukebox from the dump a >> self-sustaining one, I am going to list my Wurlitzer 1650 on Ebay in >> February....are there any suggestions out there, as I have never sold >> anything this large or expensive? Thanks in advance, >> Jackie_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jan 8 08:07:47 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Jan 8 08:09:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: <63EDC80EF06F45F5912ADCA06D866A43@ownerbob1> References: <63DD1F7C-FE3E-4B52-B7BF-7452E0DA79EB@verizon.net> <63EDC80EF06F45F5912ADCA06D866A43@ownerbob1> Message-ID: <72DEFA61-B560-4A6B-9C0B-CD422E73C662@verizon.net> Bob, That is GREAT advice, thank you so very much.....many things I never thought of! You are correct in starting my research now and composing a description and pics. I LOVE the Youtube idea, very clever! Jackie On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Bob Ford wrote: > > > Take your time composing your write-up, make sure it is comprehensive and accurate and I'm not being personal "no spelling mistakes." Good grammar creates a good impression. > > Use the facilities of Ebay to make your presentation as professional as possible. > > Take plenty of photos they aren't expensive to include and include shots from all angles, including the interior. > > Make a video of it showing the process from selection, through playing a record in good condition, to the return of the record to the carousel and put it on YouTube, including the link in your write up. (So few people do this and it's a fantastic sales-aid). > > Start looking through "completed listings" now, to ascertain what sort of price you can expect for your machine, though it's no guarantee of future prices. > > Choose when to put your machine on. It's no good listing it if there's similar machines on at the same time, if you hope to get more than an amount with which others would be happy. > > Set a low starting price. > > Set a reserve price at the minimum with which you'd be happy. > > Watch out for "dreamers" with a poor history. > > You'll probably get e-mails from people wanting to buy it at below your reserve price. > Say no and say you are going to let the auction run, as many jukeboxes don't get any offers until there's a flurry of activity near the close out time. Include the question and response in the listing to deter others. > > Choose your close-out day and time carefully. With anything I've sold on eBay, I always choose a week-end and a time that lets people get home from the pub for a possible alcohol influenced bid. > Most people ask for cash on collection. For large items the eBay and Paypal fees are ridiculous. > > I'm sure others will tell you about things I've ommitted to mention. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:22 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby > > > Good Morning, > In order to make my hobby of saving a Jukebox from the dump a self-sustaining one, I am going to list my Wurlitzer 1650 on Ebay in February....are there any suggestions out there, as I have never sold anything this large or expensive? Thanks in advance, > Jackie_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Fri Jan 8 08:21:32 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Fri Jan 8 08:23:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby References: <63DD1F7C-FE3E-4B52-B7BF-7452E0DA79EB@verizon.net><63EDC80EF06F45F5912ADCA06D866A43@ownerbob1> <72DEFA61-B560-4A6B-9C0B-CD422E73C662@verizon.net> Message-ID: <991E76E4EB5F482380A22C6DA07AE48B@ownerbob1> There you go, I've already thought of something else. The eBay site will tell you the best categories in which to include your juke. While we're on the subject, there's often some bad stories about fraudulent transactions on eBay. This is because many vendors don't follow the huge amount of advice the site gives you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby Bob, That is GREAT advice, thank you so very much.....many things I never thought of! You are correct in starting my research now and composing a description and pics. I LOVE the Youtube idea, very clever! Jackie On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Bob Ford wrote: > > > Take your time composing your write-up, make sure it is comprehensive and > accurate and I'm not being personal "no spelling mistakes." Good grammar > creates a good impression. > > Use the facilities of Ebay to make your presentation as professional as > possible. > > Take plenty of photos they aren't expensive to include and include shots > from all angles, including the interior. > > Make a video of it showing the process from selection, through playing a > record in good condition, to the return of the record to the carousel and > put it on YouTube, including the link in your write up. (So few people do > this and it's a fantastic sales-aid). > > Start looking through "completed listings" now, to ascertain what sort of > price you can expect for your machine, though it's no guarantee of future > prices. > > Choose when to put your machine on. It's no good listing it if there's > similar machines on at the same time, if you hope to get more than an > amount with which others would be happy. > > Set a low starting price. > > Set a reserve price at the minimum with which you'd be happy. > > Watch out for "dreamers" with a poor history. > > You'll probably get e-mails from people wanting to buy it at below your > reserve price. > Say no and say you are going to let the auction run, as many jukeboxes > don't get any offers until there's a flurry of activity near the close out > time. Include the question and response in the listing to deter others. > > Choose your close-out day and time carefully. With anything I've sold on > eBay, I always choose a week-end and a time that lets people get home from > the pub for a possible alcohol influenced bid. > Most people ask for cash on collection. For large items the eBay and > Paypal fees are ridiculous. > > I'm sure others will tell you about things I've ommitted to mention. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:22 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby > > > Good Morning, > In order to make my hobby of saving a Jukebox from the dump a > self-sustaining one, I am going to list my Wurlitzer 1650 on Ebay in > February....are there any suggestions out there, as I have never sold > anything this large or expensive? Thanks in advance, > Jackie_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Fri Jan 8 08:24:19 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Fri Jan 8 08:26:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: <72DEFA61-B560-4A6B-9C0B-CD422E73C662@verizon.net> References: <63DD1F7C-FE3E-4B52-B7BF-7452E0DA79EB@verizon.net> <63EDC80EF06F45F5912ADCA06D866A43@ownerbob1> <72DEFA61-B560-4A6B-9C0B-CD422E73C662@verizon.net> Message-ID: All excellent thoughts, Jackie. I have 10 jukes in the house, 6 out in the shop, and two at a friend's house. My wife decided that she wanted my AMI D-40 restored... but then she follows that by saying "I have no idea where you're going to put it... this house is too small for these big things... I'm feeling over-crowded by those jukeboxes... why didn't you stick to stamp collecting...blah...blah...blah...." Good reason to move to a bigger house if there ever was one. Aaron On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Bob, > That is GREAT advice, thank you so very much.....many things I never > thought of! You are correct in starting my research now and composing a > description and pics. I LOVE the Youtube idea, very clever! > Jackie > > > > On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Bob Ford wrote: > > > > > > > Take your time composing your write-up, make sure it is comprehensive and > accurate and I'm not being personal "no spelling mistakes." Good grammar > creates a good impression. > > > > Use the facilities of Ebay to make your presentation as professional as > possible. > > > > Take plenty of photos they aren't expensive to include and include shots > from all angles, including the interior. > > > > Make a video of it showing the process from selection, through playing a > record in good condition, to the return of the record to the carousel and > put it on YouTube, including the link in your write up. (So few people do > this and it's a fantastic sales-aid). > > > > Start looking through "completed listings" now, to ascertain what sort of > price you can expect for your machine, though it's no guarantee of future > prices. > > > > Choose when to put your machine on. It's no good listing it if there's > similar machines on at the same time, if you hope to get more than an amount > with which others would be happy. > > > > Set a low starting price. > > > > Set a reserve price at the minimum with which you'd be happy. > > > > Watch out for "dreamers" with a poor history. > > > > You'll probably get e-mails from people wanting to buy it at below your > reserve price. > > Say no and say you are going to let the auction run, as many jukeboxes > don't get any offers until there's a flurry of activity near the close out > time. Include the question and response in the listing to deter others. > > > > Choose your close-out day and time carefully. With anything I've sold on > eBay, I always choose a week-end and a time that lets people get home from > the pub for a possible alcohol influenced bid. > > Most people ask for cash on collection. For large items the eBay and > Paypal fees are ridiculous. > > > > I'm sure others will tell you about things I've ommitted to mention. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:22 PM > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby > > > > > > Good Morning, > > In order to make my hobby of saving a Jukebox from the dump a > self-sustaining one, I am going to list my Wurlitzer 1650 on Ebay in > February....are there any suggestions out there, as I have never sold > anything this large or expensive? Thanks in advance, > > Jackie_______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Jan 8 08:35:20 2010 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Jan 8 08:37:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: References: <63DD1F7C-FE3E-4B52-B7BF-7452E0DA79EB@verizon.net><63EDC80EF06F45F5912ADCA06D866A43@ownerbob1><72DEFA61-B560-4A6B-9C0B-CD422E73C662@verizon.net> Message-ID: Aaron, I think most of us on this list can relate to your e-mail. Well done! I used to collect old cars, and had about 7 at one time. They are a lot harder to store and take up much more room (not to mention the cost of insuring something that is just sitting there). Jukes are smaller by comparison, and you can work on and enjoy them year round. What a great hobby! Do many people on this list have 10 or more jukes? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron H Sent: 2010, January, 08 11:24 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby All excellent thoughts, Jackie. I have 10 jukes in the house, 6 out in the shop, and two at a friend's house. My wife decided that she wanted my AMI D-40 restored... but then she follows that by saying "I have no idea where you're going to put it... this house is too small for these big things... I'm feeling over-crowded by those jukeboxes... why didn't you stick to stamp collecting...blah...blah...blah...." Good reason to move to a bigger house if there ever was one. Aaron On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Bob, > That is GREAT advice, thank you so very much.....many things I never > thought of! You are correct in starting my research now and composing > a description and pics. I LOVE the Youtube idea, very clever! > Jackie > > > > On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Bob Ford wrote: > > > > > > > Take your time composing your write-up, make sure it is > > comprehensive and > accurate and I'm not being personal "no spelling mistakes." Good > grammar creates a good impression. > > > > Use the facilities of Ebay to make your presentation as professional > > as > possible. > > > > Take plenty of photos they aren't expensive to include and include > > shots > from all angles, including the interior. > > > > Make a video of it showing the process from selection, through > > playing a > record in good condition, to the return of the record to the carousel > and put it on YouTube, including the link in your write up. (So few > people do this and it's a fantastic sales-aid). > > > > Start looking through "completed listings" now, to ascertain what > > sort of > price you can expect for your machine, though it's no guarantee of > future prices. > > > > Choose when to put your machine on. It's no good listing it if > > there's > similar machines on at the same time, if you hope to get more than an > amount with which others would be happy. > > > > Set a low starting price. > > > > Set a reserve price at the minimum with which you'd be happy. > > > > Watch out for "dreamers" with a poor history. > > > > You'll probably get e-mails from people wanting to buy it at below > > your > reserve price. > > Say no and say you are going to let the auction run, as many > > jukeboxes > don't get any offers until there's a flurry of activity near the close > out time. Include the question and response in the listing to deter others. > > > > Choose your close-out day and time carefully. With anything I've > > sold on > eBay, I always choose a week-end and a time that lets people get home > from the pub for a possible alcohol influenced bid. > > Most people ask for cash on collection. For large items the eBay and > Paypal fees are ridiculous. > > > > I'm sure others will tell you about things I've ommitted to mention. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" > > > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:22 PM > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby > > > > > > Good Morning, > > In order to make my hobby of saving a Jukebox from the dump a > self-sustaining one, I am going to list my Wurlitzer 1650 on Ebay in > February....are there any suggestions out there, as I have never sold > anything this large or expensive? Thanks in advance, > > Jackie_______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 8 08:45:13 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 8 08:48:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby Message-ID: <20100108.114513.14262.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Hello, Jackie and everyone else It's a little challenging to sell a jukebox in this economy as there are fewer buyers with discretionary funds to spend on "fun stuff". I'm finding that certain classic juke models still continue sell, while others will get no takers. In addition to putting together a great imaginative sales presentation, I'd do a few value added things like including a rackful of records (don't give away your favorites) and the service manual to make the sale more attractive. If you have spare stylii etc, I'd throw those in, too. You might want to try listing your machine on Craigslist, in an effort to reach a local buyer. There's a lesser-known site called Kijiji that doesn't list many jukes for sale. You may want to try there. There are a few on-line sites where jukebox sellers can list a jukebox for free. It's a question how many buyers cruise these sites. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=_2_RhsK3gCXEeZLoIbYEDAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From steve at pro-ns.net Fri Jan 8 08:32:23 2010 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Fri Jan 8 08:51:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100108163223.GC24321@pro-ns.net> On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 05:57:33PM -0800, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > As for the Shure N-44, it's popular with DJs and is still being made > - in droves. You can find scores of them in a Google or eBay search. > The N-44 is a TALL cartridge, though and it could require a lot of > adjusting to clear the record transfer arm when it's playing the B > side. I hate to rehash this, BUT... As I say every time this comes up, my experience is that when propperly modified, the Shure M44 fits the AMI F tone arm WAY better than the Stanton 500 I tried (which is pretty much the same as a pickering NP / AC, as mentioned before). The thing is, the AMI tone arm has mounting bosses that are meant to go *into* the cartridge body, like it does on the GE. The M44 has plastic mounting flutes that you can modify quite easily with a dremmel tool so it fits up into the tone arm. My experience with the Stanton was that it was still tall enough that you couldn't make it ride at the angle it was designed for, without running into the transfer arm as mentioned above. Instead, it rides slanted upward, and the plastic around the stylus area catches on any slight warps you might have in your records. (By "slanted upward", I mean compared to how it's designed, which I believe would be with the bottom plane of the plastic stylus mount riding level, not slanting up toward the front.) --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Surely you're not writing scripts in csh. That's like building a fire escape out of balsa-wood and painting it with thermite. -- Peter da Silva From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jan 8 09:05:04 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Jan 8 09:06:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: References: <63DD1F7C-FE3E-4B52-B7BF-7452E0DA79EB@verizon.net> <63EDC80EF06F45F5912ADCA06D866A43@ownerbob1> <72DEFA61-B560-4A6B-9C0B-CD422E73C662@verizon.net> Message-ID: LOL, I love it! I think when it comes to Jukeboxes it's OK to be a hoarder! I have said this before, I have the most patient Husband and although he is not involved in working on the Jukeboxes, he is always willing to lift, move and enjoy them when they are complete! I think right now the goal is to change up my collection to make it a bit more interesting......with that said, the action on the 1650 is ALWAYS cool to watch....oh what to do? oh yea and also have some $ to put into the AMI Jackie On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Aaron H wrote: > All excellent thoughts, Jackie. I have 10 jukes in the house, 6 out in the > shop, and two at a friend's house. My wife decided that she wanted my AMI > D-40 restored... but then she follows that by saying "I have no idea where > you're going to put it... this house is too small for these big things... > I'm feeling over-crowded by those jukeboxes... why didn't you stick to stamp > collecting...blah...blah...blah...." > > Good reason to move to a bigger house if there ever was one. > > Aaron > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> Bob, >> That is GREAT advice, thank you so very much.....many things I never >> thought of! You are correct in starting my research now and composing a >> description and pics. I LOVE the Youtube idea, very clever! >> Jackie >> >> >> >> On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Bob Ford wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Take your time composing your write-up, make sure it is comprehensive and >> accurate and I'm not being personal "no spelling mistakes." Good grammar >> creates a good impression. >>> >>> Use the facilities of Ebay to make your presentation as professional as >> possible. >>> >>> Take plenty of photos they aren't expensive to include and include shots >> from all angles, including the interior. >>> >>> Make a video of it showing the process from selection, through playing a >> record in good condition, to the return of the record to the carousel and >> put it on YouTube, including the link in your write up. (So few people do >> this and it's a fantastic sales-aid). >>> >>> Start looking through "completed listings" now, to ascertain what sort of >> price you can expect for your machine, though it's no guarantee of future >> prices. >>> >>> Choose when to put your machine on. It's no good listing it if there's >> similar machines on at the same time, if you hope to get more than an amount >> with which others would be happy. >>> >>> Set a low starting price. >>> >>> Set a reserve price at the minimum with which you'd be happy. >>> >>> Watch out for "dreamers" with a poor history. >>> >>> You'll probably get e-mails from people wanting to buy it at below your >> reserve price. >>> Say no and say you are going to let the auction run, as many jukeboxes >> don't get any offers until there's a flurry of activity near the close out >> time. Include the question and response in the listing to deter others. >>> >>> Choose your close-out day and time carefully. With anything I've sold on >> eBay, I always choose a week-end and a time that lets people get home from >> the pub for a possible alcohol influenced bid. >>> Most people ask for cash on collection. For large items the eBay and >> Paypal fees are ridiculous. >>> >>> I'm sure others will tell you about things I've ommitted to mention. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:22 PM >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby >>> >>> >>> Good Morning, >>> In order to make my hobby of saving a Jukebox from the dump a >> self-sustaining one, I am going to list my Wurlitzer 1650 on Ebay in >> February....are there any suggestions out there, as I have never sold >> anything this large or expensive? Thanks in advance, >>> Jackie_______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Fri Jan 8 09:31:53 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 8 09:33:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: <20100108.114513.14262.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100108.114513.14262.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC5E9F9A8804A5-11AC-4C77@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> I listed a pinball machine on Mr. Pinball at a premium price. It was a nice example of the game but I still figured there wouldn't be any takers, which was fine. I didn't NEED to sell it but if the price was right I'd use the money to get something else. The right buyer came along, but I had to be patient. -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 10:45 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby Hello, Jackie and everyone else t's a little challenging to sell a jukebox in this economy as there are fewer uyers with discretionary funds to spend on "fun stuff". I'm finding that certain classic juke models still continue sell, while others ill get no takers. In addition to putting together a great imaginative sales resentation, I'd do a few value added things like including a rackful of ecords (don't give away your favorites) and the service manual to make the sale ore attractive. If you have spare stylii etc, I'd throw those in, too. You might want to try listing your machine on Craigslist, in an effort to reach local buyer. There's a lesser-known site called Kijiji that doesn't list many ukes for sale. You may want to try there. There are a few on-line sites here jukebox sellers can list a jukebox for free. It's a question how many uyers cruise these sites. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ eight Loss Program est Weight Loss Program - Click Here! ttp://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=_2_RhsK3gCXEeZLoIbYEDAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jan 8 10:03:18 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Jan 8 10:05:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: <8CC5E9F9A8804A5-11AC-4C77@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> References: <20100108.114513.14262.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> <8CC5E9F9A8804A5-11AC-4C77@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <65ECE7F9-F16B-44C2-A52D-5C8F0C21318F@verizon.net> Thanks John, that's the name of the game!! Jackie On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:31 PM, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > I listed a pinball machine on Mr. Pinball at a premium price. It was a nice example of the game but I still figured there wouldn't be any takers, which was fine. I didn't NEED to sell it but if the price was right I'd use the money to get something else. The right buyer came along, but I had to be patient. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Alexander > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 10:45 am > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby > > > > Hello, Jackie and everyone else > > t's a little challenging to sell a jukebox in this economy as there are fewer > uyers with discretionary funds to spend on "fun stuff". > I'm finding that certain classic juke models still continue sell, while others > ill get no takers. In addition to putting together a great imaginative sales > resentation, I'd do a few value added things like including a rackful of > ecords (don't give away your favorites) and the service manual to make the sale > ore attractive. If you have spare stylii etc, I'd throw those in, too. > You might want to try listing your machine on Craigslist, in an effort to reach > local buyer. There's a lesser-known site called Kijiji that doesn't list many > ukes for sale. You may want to try there. There are a few on-line sites > here jukebox sellers can list a jukebox for free. It's a question how many > uyers cruise these sites. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > eight Loss Program > est Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > ttp://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=_2_RhsK3gCXEeZLoIbYEDAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= > ______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Fri Jan 8 10:32:34 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 8 10:34:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: <65ECE7F9-F16B-44C2-A52D-5C8F0C21318F@verizon.net> References: <20100108.114513.14262.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com><8CC5E9F9A8804A5-11AC-4C77@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> <65ECE7F9-F16B-44C2-A52D-5C8F0C21318F@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8CC5EA8148C385C-556C-5373@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> High-ticket items probably don't fare as well on Craigslist or Ebay. Everybody wants a bargain. -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Elgie To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby Thanks John, that's the name of the game!! ackie On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:31 PM, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > I listed a pinball machine on Mr. Pinball at a premium price. It was a nice xample of the game but I still figured there wouldn't be any takers, which was ine. I didn't NEED to sell it but if the price was right I'd use the money to et something else. The right buyer came along, but I had to be patient. -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 10:45 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby Hello, Jackie and everyone else t's a little challenging to sell a jukebox in this economy as there are fewer uyers with discretionary funds to spend on "fun stuff". I'm finding that certain classic juke models still continue sell, while others > ill get no takers. In addition to putting together a great imaginative sales resentation, I'd do a few value added things like including a rackful of ecords (don't give away your favorites) and the service manual to make the ale ore attractive. If you have spare stylii etc, I'd throw those in, too. You might want to try listing your machine on Craigslist, in an effort to each local buyer. There's a lesser-known site called Kijiji that doesn't list many ukes for sale. You may want to try there. There are a few on-line sites here jukebox sellers can list a jukebox for free. It's a question how many uyers cruise these sites. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ eight Loss Program est Weight Loss Program - Click Here! ttp://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=_2_RhsK3gCXEeZLoIbYEDAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Fri Jan 8 10:52:43 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Fri Jan 8 10:54:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? In-Reply-To: <20100108163223.GC24321@pro-ns.net> References: <20100108163223.GC24321@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <005201ca9093$c2b6c2b0$48244810$@force9.co.uk> I agree with you Steve. In the UK, many restorers removed the mounting bracket on the Stanton and glued the cartridge in between the tone arm mounting lugs. Not really my cup of tea but at least the depth was ok. A onetime only fix though as once glued it was there forever. I have an M44 from a Rock-Ola in my Ami as the plastic screw mounts on the Rock Ola variant was milled out and like you say, fits perfectly. The best solution I think. Also, after extensive testing the M44 has the edge over the Stanton on bass and clarity. Another nice cartridge that fits perfectly in these arms is the Shure N77. This was in the early Rowes, and also has the milled out mounting sleeves so fits perfectly in that arm./ Hard to get hold of these days but has 9mv output and works well. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Steve Wahl Sent: 08 January 2010 16:32 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 05:57:33PM -0800, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > As for the Shure N-44, it's popular with DJs and is still being made > - in droves. You can find scores of them in a Google or eBay search. > The N-44 is a TALL cartridge, though and it could require a lot of > adjusting to clear the record transfer arm when it's playing the B > side. I hate to rehash this, BUT... As I say every time this comes up, my experience is that when propperly modified, the Shure M44 fits the AMI F tone arm WAY better than the Stanton 500 I tried (which is pretty much the same as a pickering NP / AC, as mentioned before). The thing is, the AMI tone arm has mounting bosses that are meant to go *into* the cartridge body, like it does on the GE. The M44 has plastic mounting flutes that you can modify quite easily with a dremmel tool so it fits up into the tone arm. My experience with the Stanton was that it was still tall enough that you couldn't make it ride at the angle it was designed for, without running into the transfer arm as mentioned above. Instead, it rides slanted upward, and the plastic around the stylus area catches on any slight warps you might have in your records. (By "slanted upward", I mean compared to how it's designed, which I believe would be with the bottom plane of the plastic stylus mount riding level, not slanting up toward the front.) --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Surely you're not writing scripts in csh. That's like building a fire escape out of balsa-wood and painting it with thermite. -- Peter da Silva _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 10:31:43 2010 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Jan 8 10:57:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: <65ECE7F9-F16B-44C2-A52D-5C8F0C21318F@verizon.net> References: <20100108.114513.14262.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> <8CC5E9F9A8804A5-11AC-4C77@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> <65ECE7F9-F16B-44C2-A52D-5C8F0C21318F@verizon.net> Message-ID: Jackie, I would also go along with the suggestion of listing it on Craigslist before Ebay. Set a price slightly more than what you desire to allow a little "negotiating" with a potential buyer. You can require cash at the time of pickup, and there will be no question of the actual condition to the potentail buyer. I've bought/sold many jukes & other arcade related items via Craigslist. If you don't get a buyer, you are out no cash out of your pocket (unlike Ebay). And if it sells, you still have no fees to pay. It is a win/win situation. Then if it doesn't sell, you can use Ebay. The fees of Ebay have gotten so high over the years that I rarely use them anymore. Come to think of it, in the last 5 years, I've only used them twice- once on a spare parts pinball machine and when I sold my W2510 last October (to a buyer in Germany). Thomas On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Thanks John, that's the name of the game!! > Jackie > > > > On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:31 PM, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > > > I listed a pinball machine on Mr. Pinball at a premium price. It was a > nice example of the game but I still figured there wouldn't be any takers, > which was fine. I didn't NEED to sell it but if the price was right I'd use > the money to get something else. The right buyer came along, but I had to be > patient. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Alexander > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 10:45 am > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby > > > > > > > > Hello, Jackie and everyone else > > > > t's a little challenging to sell a jukebox in this economy as there are > fewer > > uyers with discretionary funds to spend on "fun stuff". > > I'm finding that certain classic juke models still continue sell, while > others > > ill get no takers. In addition to putting together a great imaginative > sales > > resentation, I'd do a few value added things like including a rackful of > > ecords (don't give away your favorites) and the service manual to make > the sale > > ore attractive. If you have spare stylii etc, I'd throw those in, too. > > You might want to try listing your machine on Craigslist, in an effort to > reach > > local buyer. There's a lesser-known site called Kijiji that doesn't list > many > > ukes for sale. You may want to try there. There are a few on-line > sites > > here jukebox sellers can list a jukebox for free. It's a question how > many > > uyers cruise these sites. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > > eight Loss Program > > est Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > > ttp:// > thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=_2_RhsK3gCXEeZLoIbYEDAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= > > ______________________________________________ > > ukebox-list mailing list > > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Fri Jan 8 10:58:11 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Fri Jan 8 10:59:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? In-Reply-To: <331690.86393.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <331690.86393.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005801ca9094$86b1cfc0$94156f40$@force9.co.uk> David, The JAN would have had a Shure N77DA in originally - Red and black cartridge. Regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 08 January 2010 14:52 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > As for the Shure N-44, it's popular with DJs and is still > being made - in droves. You can find scores of them in a > Google or eBay search. The N-44 is a TALL cartridge, > though and it could require a lot of adjusting to clear the > record transfer arm when it's playing the B side. I think it underwent a redesign some time, maybe in the late 70s. The cartridge I used has a light blue stylus carrier with "44" printed on the front face, and was a drop-in replacement for the GE unit. It fit between the posts without modification. I think it's the same original equipment cartridge that's in my JAN-200. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Fri Jan 8 11:44:26 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jan 8 11:46:07 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Magnetic cartridges (was G200...) In-Reply-To: <20100108.104850.14262.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100108.104850.14262.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4B478B1A.2010606@west.net> James Alexander wrote: > The other cartridges that are good fits for jukebox work are the Shure M44C or M44-7, still in limited manufacture. The M44-7 or N44-7 stylus cantilever is probably a bit fragile for jukebox use. It's designed to track at 1.5 to 3 grams which is a bit light, especially where the trip switch is mechanical. The discontinued Shure M44-C and stylus N44-C are a better fit. They track at around 5 grams. This stylus assembly can be identified by a blue plastic carrier as opposed to the white one supplied with the M44-7. A replacement N44-C stylus in the M44-7 cartridge gives the same results. There are a lot of aftermarket styli for the N44 series of varying quality. If possible get Shure-branded parts. > Shure has an SC35C, marketed as a conical tip DJ cartridge that could be used for juke work. This may be a better choice. The mounting bosses are a bit different from those on the M44 but also easily modified to fit between the posts on the AMI tonearms. They track at 4 to 5 grams. The Shure M44 and SC35 series are insulated from the tonearm by virtue of the plastic case. The Stanton/Pickering cartridges have a metal case. Care must be taken to avoid ground loops with these. When a metal cartridge shell is attached to a grounded metal tonearm it may be necessary to pry out the small copper bonding clip between the LG pin and the cartridge case if there is hum. A straight pin or small jeweler's screwdriver works well. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From bobe at halted.com Fri Jan 8 11:37:41 2010 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Fri Jan 8 11:57:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] G200 Cart update Message-ID: <2.2.32.20100108193741.00995dd0@hsces.com> At 07:18 PM 1/7/2010 -0800, you wrote: >--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Bob Ellingson wrote: > > >> I have a never-used, still-in-box GE RPX-046 "variable >> reluctance" >> cartridge, along with a couple of never-used, >> still-in-cute-plastic-capsule >> stylus assemblies...does anyone know if this would work in >> a 78-playing juke? > >Most 78 jukeboxes used crystal/ceramic cartridges, which >have a line-level output. Is this true? I don't think so...I'm thinking of the 30's and 40's Wurly jukes with the horseshoe magnets...that's the variable reluctance type, right? I was mainly thinking of holding on to it for a conversion of my dad's Wurlitzer P-12, and was wondering if its output was comparable to the old cartridge in that heavy tonearm. Right now it has a kludged suspension of rubber bands in there, if I remember correctly, so it needs some work. I know I'll have to lighten the tracking force, but I was wondering if it would work with the amplifier without modification. And for Kyle, thanks for the Google suggestion, but I don't have one on my computer yet. Or a You-tube. But I appreciate the thought. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 8 11:58:37 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Fri Jan 8 12:00:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby Message-ID: <174120.97131.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Craigslist is where I go a-trolling for bargains. Found my Trashcan this way and it WAS a bargain! Hundreds (and I mean HUNDRES) less than comparable boxes on eBay. For example, I paid slightly more for my complete and almost working Trashcan than what someone is asking for this poor specimen: http://cgi.ebay.com/SEEBURG-SYMPHONOLA-TRASHCAN-JUKEBOX-1948-AS-IS_W0QQitemZ390131056231QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad59f7e67 Then again you have this kind of thing on Craigslist: http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/atq/1533261985.html or this: http://madison.craigslist.org/ele/1535311156.html ...not exactly ~bargains~. I track the whole upstate Illinois and Wisconsin area using one of those Craigslist-crawlers. What fun! Only problem with Craigslist is you never know if something sold or for how much it sold for. Bob - Chicago >jhayes2613 at aol.com jhayes2613 at aol.com >Fri Jan 8 10:32:34 PST 2010 > * Previous message: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >________________________________ > >High-ticket items probably don't fare as well on Craigslist or Ebay. Everybody wants a bargain. From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 8 12:09:50 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Fri Jan 8 12:11:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan Mech removal Was: Cabinet restorer in Chicago-land? Message-ID: <211429.30995.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to all of this good info I was able to disconnect the rod and loosen up the mech for removal this weekend. Like Jackie's hubby, I have a VERY patient, understanding and encouraging wife. She'll help me coax the beast out of the cabinet an onto the bench. Bob - Chicago >The Dirksen Family dirksenj at bellsouth.net >Thu Jan 7 04:29:08 PST 2010 > * Previous message: [Jukebox-list] Cabinet restorer in Chicago-land? > * Next message: [Jukebox-list] keys for AMI > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >________________________________ > >The mech sits on wooden "runners" that slide out easily. There are held by >two wood screws on either side that bolt from underneath the mech shelf. >Aaron is right about removing the rod, although you have to push it up first >to disengage from the receiver, then angle and pull down to disengage from >the mech. I find it easier to loosen the drum cover screws and lift the >cover up and over while doing this. Be careful and don't loosen the little >metal strips all the way, as there is a ball bearing inside that can fall. >The rod has a flat ground on both ends, so installation is a snap (you won't >get it out of adjustment). Good luck, > >Jim >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Aaron H" >To: "Jukebox mailing list" >Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:15 PM >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Cabinet restorer in Chicago-land? > > >> Bob, >> That mech will easily slide right out the back of the cabinet completely >> intact. You only need to remove the linkage rod that connects the helix to >> the selection receiver and that's done by loosening two set screws on a >> bracket that holds the rod to the bottom of the helix, and to a similar >> bracket that holds the rod to the selection receiver. The set screws only >> provide some tension against a strip of metal that secures the rod to both >> ends. Once that tension is removed, you should be able to gently pull the >> rod down from the helix - if I'm not mistaken. Hopefully someone can chime >> in on this because it's been a number of years since I've done it and I >> don't want to give Bob the wrong advice... but I'm pretty sure that's the >> way it's done. >> >> After that, the mech simply slides out as one entire unit. And Jackie is >> absolutely right. The mech weighs a ton. >> >> Aaron >> From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Jan 8 12:25:03 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Jan 8 12:26:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? Message-ID: Steve. Thanks for the well written insight into the N44 verses Stanton 500/NP-AC. That makes sense. You don't want a goofy attack angle. That all makes perfect sense. The 500-NP/AC have metal mounting tabs that aren't really alterable (is that a word?). Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ----------------------------------------------------------- I hate to rehash this, BUT... As I say every time this comes up, my experience is that when propperly modified, the Shure M44 fits the AMI F tone arm WAY better than the Stanton 500 I tried (which is pretty much the same as a pickering NP / AC, as mentioned before). The thing is, the AMI tone arm has mounting bosses that are meant to go *into* the cartridge body, like it does on the GE. The M44 has plastic mounting flutes that you can modify quite easily with a dremmel tool so it fits up into the tone arm. My experience with the Stanton was that it was still tall enough that you couldn't make it ride at the angle it was designed for, without running into the transfer arm as mentioned above. Instead, it rides slanted upward, and the plastic around the stylus area catches on any slight warps you might have in your records. (By "slanted upward", I mean compared to how it's designed, which I believe would be with the bottom plane of the plastic stylus mount riding level, not slanting up toward the front.) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Fri Jan 8 12:37:43 2010 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Fri Jan 8 12:39:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? In-Reply-To: <005201ca9093$c2b6c2b0$48244810$@force9.co.uk> References: <20100108163223.GC24321@pro-ns.net> <005201ca9093$c2b6c2b0$48244810$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <485593.90321.qm@web86704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I had a look for a new M44 this afternoon and when I looked at the picture, my first thoughts were that this could be modified (milled). One thing put me of though - it was 60 UK pounds! It has a high output though (9.5mV) so I might convince myself yet that I need it! Norman. ________________________________ From: Nigel Pugh To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Friday, 8 January, 2010 18:52:43 Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? I agree with you Steve. In the UK, many restorers removed the mounting bracket on the Stanton and glued the cartridge in between the tone arm mounting lugs. Not really my cup of tea but at least the depth was ok. A onetime only fix though as once glued it was there forever. I have an M44 from a Rock-Ola in my Ami as the plastic screw mounts on the Rock Ola variant was milled out and like you say, fits perfectly. The best solution I think. Also, after extensive testing the M44 has the edge over the Stanton on bass and clarity. Another nice cartridge that fits perfectly in these arms is the Shure N77. This was in the early Rowes, and also has the milled out mounting sleeves so fits perfectly in that arm./ Hard to get hold of these days but has 9mv output and works well. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Steve Wahl Sent: 08 January 2010 16:32 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 05:57:33PM -0800, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > As for the Shure N-44, it's popular with DJs and is still being made > - in droves. You can find scores of them in a Google or eBay search. > The N-44 is a TALL cartridge, though and it could require a lot of > adjusting to clear the record transfer arm when it's playing the B > side. I hate to rehash this, BUT... As I say every time this comes up, my experience is that when propperly modified, the Shure M44 fits the AMI F tone arm WAY better than the Stanton 500 I tried (which is pretty much the same as a pickering NP / AC, as mentioned before). The thing is, the AMI tone arm has mounting bosses that are meant to go *into* the cartridge body, like it does on the GE. The M44 has plastic mounting flutes that you can modify quite easily with a dremmel tool so it fits up into the tone arm. My experience with the Stanton was that it was still tall enough that you couldn't make it ride at the angle it was designed for, without running into the transfer arm as mentioned above. Instead, it rides slanted upward, and the plastic around the stylus area catches on any slight warps you might have in your records. (By "slanted upward", I mean compared to how it's designed, which I believe would be with the bottom plane of the plastic stylus mount riding level, not slanting up toward the front.) --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Surely you're not writing scripts in csh. That's like building a fire escape out of balsa-wood and painting it with thermite. -- Peter da Silva _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Jan 8 12:41:27 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Jan 8 12:43:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Message-ID: Jackie. Ultimately, in the end, I think the Wurlitzer is going to be more valuable. I can't remember what condition it's in. BUT, if you're not getting use from it and it's about the challenge, by all means, sell it. Jim is right. Try Craigslist. A big thing like a jukebox sells locally. Craigslist searches are not intuitive. A search for jukebox will not find things listed as "juke box" so be sure to include a line of key words at the end. You can use HTML to post larger photos in Craiglist ads. I'll walk you through it on the phone, or send me what you have and I'll send it back as a word document ready to post. Be sure to include how many selections, what kind of records, model number, year, etc. People will ask all kinds of seeming inane questions, but most are well meaning dreamers. I include "juke box jukebox records vintage 45 Wurlitzer Seeburg Seaburg Rock Ola RockOla Rowe AMI" Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Jan 8 13:03:19 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Jan 8 13:04:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Message-ID: JHayes writes: "High-ticket items probably don't fare as well on Craigslist or Ebay. Everybody wants a bargain." * * * Um, gee, then what do you suggest? Solutions. 1. Craigslist -Politely dismiss lowball offers. 2. eBay - Set a reserve. Reminds me of the guy who replied to my craigslist ad and offered me $100 for my sweet smooth and quiet running 1971 AMI MM5 and told me "That's all it's was worth, no jukebox is worth more than $200" like he was an expert and I didn't know anything and I'd accept that those words were somehow fact. Strangely enough, I think I sold it for $550 a day or two later. Gee I guess I ripped that guy off for a perfectly good working jukebox with great sound and a floor so clean you could eat off it. Oh, and I offer a 30 day warranty. I made sure to email him that it sold for my asking price. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco Here's a photo of the "only worth $100 jukebox." http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Mechanical%20Music%20jukes/mm5.jpg?t=1262984103 ---------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Jan 8 13:11:56 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Jan 8 13:13:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: GE cartridge in Wurlitzer P-12. (G200 Cart update) Message-ID: Bob, You could simply use a couple alligator clips and rig up a connection you your amplifier, Lightly touch the needle and see if there's sound. The W p-12 would have a very heavy tonearm indeed. It may be too primitive to track so lightly but it could probabaly be done, but then you'd probabaly have to modify the end of record trip by adding a lever trip microswitch, which would be pretty easy to do. Google is a search engine, YouTube is a website. Everyone with internet has access to them. You're yanking my chain, right? ;-) Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 8 13:22:25 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 8 13:24:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Message-ID: <20100108.162225.24507.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hi Everybody: Craigslist has worked pretty well for me when selling some moderately priced jukes. the advantage of using Craigslist is that it puts you in touch with potential buyers in your area so that you don't have to deal with shipping possibilities (a big deal for a jukebox) and you don't have the higher cost of an E Bay listing. I know of some juke buyers that had a bad experience (their shipped juke showed up with damage, due to improper packing, or the machine condition was misrepresented by the seller) that won't buy on EBay again. Listing on Kijiji is similar to Craigslist, but covering a wider territory. You may want to try listing locally on one of these two sites first. If you don't get any takers then go to E Bay to expose yourself to a national buying audience. If your 1650 is in Grade 1 condition, and you can take the time, try selling through one of the juke selling websites or use the Always Jukin' ad section. This way your ad is being read by serious jukebox fans and buyers. You can generally find comparable machines selling on E Bay most times---I'd say that any Wurlitzer 1250, 1400,1450, 1600 or 1650 juke will fetch about the same money. Always Jukin' magazine publishes a jukebox price guide that seems to be loosely regarded as the blue book of the classic jukebox hobby. Right now the values posted for most jukes seem to be running about 20% below their posted sell prices if that helps. The trend seems to be that always-in-demand collectible juke models, such as W1015's, Seeburg 100C's, W1800's will command close to the book prices. Other 50's-60's ,odels with visible mechs are selling about 20% -25% below the book price. Later console style jukes of the 70's-80's aren't selling except at giveaway prices. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-q9EQK_rnseE06LvkFvmlgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From steve at pro-ns.net Fri Jan 8 13:26:02 2010 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Fri Jan 8 13:27:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100108212602.GD24321@pro-ns.net> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 12:25:03PM -0800, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > Steve. > Thanks for the well written insight into the N44 verses Stanton 500/NP-AC. > That makes sense. You don't want a goofy attack angle. That all > makes perfect sense. The 500-NP/AC have metal mounting tabs that > aren't really alterable (is that a word?). You're welcome, & thanks for the nice comment! The AMI F cartridge thing is one of the few pieces of experience I have to share, when I compare it to the tons of experience others have on this list, so I gotta get what mileage I can out of it. It seemed right to me, so I checked, and yes, alterable is a word, at least it's in a few online dictionaries. :-) The pickering vs. stanton discussion makes me wonder if the dimensions of the Stanton 500 is different enough from the pickering NP/AC that it would make a difference. The pictures online look *very* similar, though. --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net "On this employee survey form, it asks, 'Do you trust your manager?' If I trust him to do the wrong thing, is that a 'yes'?" From m.hopple at yahoo.com Fri Jan 8 13:21:27 2010 From: m.hopple at yahoo.com (Mike Hopple) Date: Fri Jan 8 13:28:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] MY NEW BABY Message-ID: <363940.72289.qm@web44901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I brought my G80 home in cardboard boxes, with just the service? manual put it all back together and love the way it sounds, if only my Wurlitzer was as simple!? You'll love the little fish tank when it's done.? From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Jan 8 13:41:35 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Jan 8 13:43:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Message-ID: No kidding, Jim. You got that right. 10 years ago you could sell anything that looked good and worked to a dot-commer for $1000. The funny thing is, people are looking for extra cash, so they're pulling their non working jukeboxes out and listing them here (San Francisco Bay Area) asking prices that you'd expect to pay for something working. They fail to realize, they're not the ONLY ones short on cash! They seem to come in several similar varieties. - 1970s jukebox they think is worth $3000 because they saw a "Happy Days" jukebox go for that. (Sub genre of this is similar era jukes listed as "1950s jukebox.") - Non working 1960s-70s model they're asking $450-$1000 for and listing it over and over for months. A few have been listed weekly for over a year. - Various machines listed. No photo, maker, or model information. Emails asking for any of this information go unanswered. Many of these are poorly written and you'd think they could take 3 minutes to rewrite a post for something they're asking a lot of money for, like they don't quite get the fact that the post they're using isn't working. I'll even suggest to them adding "jukebox" to their post when they've only used "juke box" and give them make and model information; they'll respond kindly but still not change anything. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From tdkuhns at dejazzd.com Fri Jan 8 12:31:44 2010 From: tdkuhns at dejazzd.com (Terry Kuhns) Date: Fri Jan 8 13:47:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite 200 error Message-ID: I have an NSM Satellite 200 which on power up gives me an error code I'm assuming. It has a "P" in the far left display and the right display has "E.rr 00. I do not have a manual. Is there somewhere I can get info on error codes for this machine? Also, if needed, where can I find parts? Thank you for any info! Terry From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 8 13:50:15 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 8 13:53:04 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Magnetic cartridges (was G200...) Message-ID: <20100108.165015.10483.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Jay: I don't know which model of the Shure M44 cartridge is still being made. Like the Stantons, there were several variations of the M44 cartridge available (the C -version with the rugged stylus, a .7 mil conical version, an elliptical version, a DJ pack where the M44-7 cartridge was sold with 3 spare stylii,etc). I think Shure made an OEM version of this cartridge for RockOla (called M44RMC). It is my understanding that Shure makes a short production run of various phono cartridge models,along with stylii, 3 times a year, based upon input from their dealers and distributors. I indicated in my email that retrofitting any of these stereo magnetic cartridges presents some "fitment" issues (meaning optimum physical fit,counterweighting, grounding, etc) for certain jukeboxes/tone arms. In general any of the 4 makes I mentioned are good candidates for jukebox work. If properly done, the payoff for the user is better sound resolution than the original cartridge, less record and stylus wear, and having a cartridge that uses a currently available (less costly) stylus. These are also models that will most likely have continued availability of replacement stylii. I've helped some juke owners on this list upgrade from ceramic and cobra cartridges to stereo mag cartridges, which generally offer a jaw-dropping improvement. For those who gotta keep it original, the GE mono cartridges in maintained condition perform well with good frequency response tracking mono records. They won't work well with later-issue stereo records. I don't think that a .7 mil stereo compromise stylus is offered for the GE models. With a little searching, it's easy to find unused old discontinued cartridge stock from other manufacturers being sold for pennies on the dollar. Buying needles for them 5 years from now might become a problem. ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=T_ZZEDT50bdFnfTVgNA9xQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Jan 8 13:51:34 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Jan 8 13:53:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? Message-ID: Steve, The St' 500 and the Pickering NP/AC are literally exactly the same inside and out. The stylus assemblies look different, but the cartridges are 100% identical. Sometimes painted or not, but the same none-the-less. People will be surprised to know that the stiffness and thickness of the cantilever and mounting can affect the output. It's most likely there where the voltage outputs differ in their specs. The NP/AC probabaly simply comes with the beefier stylus assembly. For example, for DJs, you can increase the output of the venerable and well loved 680 EL to that of the 680 HP by a simple change of stylus. Use the HP stylus assembly in your existing 680 cartridge. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From steve at pro-ns.net Fri Jan 8 14:01:39 2010 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Fri Jan 8 14:03:18 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2410 solenoid ... rewound! Message-ID: <20100108220139.GE24321@pro-ns.net> Hey, everyone, I spoke of sharing my limted experience in another message, and I remembered I did something else over the Christmas holiday. My 2410 had a section of 5 (E6 through E0) that wasn't working. (actually, two; see below). Somehow I convinced myself the solenoid for those 5 selections was bad. I pulled the solenoid out with the intention of ordering a replacement from one of the usual suspects. In fact, I got a few quotes, and they're not exactly cheap. I'm not suggesting people are charging more than they're worth; after all, they're not making these things anymore. But, for me, it was enough money that I thought I'd try re-winding the solenoid. I didn't have anything to lose, as I'd otherwise throw the part out anyway. And apparently I have more excess time on my hands than excess money. :-) (I should get clarification from my wife on that, though.) These weren't designed to be disassembled and repaired, of course. Disassembly and reassembly consists of bending pieces of metal that weren't expected to be bent more than the one time when it was manufactured. But I managed to get it apart, and I unwound the coil and counted the turns (around 520 if anyone cares). I re-wound it with the finest (as in thinnest gauge) magnet wire I could get at Radio Shack. The coil form was not held together well, so I placed a philips screwdriver in the sleeve of the coil for support while I was winding. Then, I managed to re-assemble the thing. Tested it with an ohmmeter, seemed good. Connected it to a power supply, got action out of it. So I placed it back in the jukebox, and, at least so far, it's working! Now, I have a second solenoid that I believe is shorted as well. J6 through J0 don't work. With the power disconnected, and after a lot of schematic examination, I connected an ohm meter between the common connecion of the 6 - 0 buttons, and the common connection between all the solenoids on the mechanism. All the letter buttons cause the meter to move, but the J button shows a much smaller resistance than the rest of them. So, when I next have spare time, I'm going to remove that one and check it (much easier to measure resistance out of circuit), and try rewinding that one if it seems like it'll help. Why would I getting shorts in solenoids? Does whatever they put on this magnet wire for insulation tend to break down over time? --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." -- Vance Petree, Virginia Power From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 8 14:05:33 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 8 14:08:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] G200 Cart update Message-ID: <20100108.170533.10483.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: The GE phono cartridges were designed to use tracking forces ranging from 6 to 12 grams. There are 3 mil 78 RPM stylii available for these pickups. The old Wurlitzer lollipop tone arms with their horse shoe mag. cartridges were engineered to track at considerably heavier pressure than that. This is probably why most of the conversion cartridges offered for 78 Simplex Wurlitzers are ceramic element models. There was a cartridge conversion kit called the "supersound" made by ?? that used a modified Stanton 500 magnetic cartridge and included a preamplifier stage. These were marketed to fit Wurly 78 players. I don't know if these are around anymore. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=17tXTOAG8NuNdlfki8biWgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From jhayes2613 at aol.com Fri Jan 8 14:15:05 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 8 14:17:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: <65ECE7F9-F16B-44C2-A52D-5C8F0C21318F@verizon.net> References: <20100108.114513.14262.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com><8CC5E9F9A8804A5-11AC-4C77@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> <65ECE7F9-F16B-44C2-A52D-5C8F0C21318F@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8CC5EC72A58044E-5868-8BB0@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> It's a Gottlieb KING KOOL. Love the backglass artwork, but the game itself is actually pretty dull to play. A buyer out in Seattle just HAD to have one, and with his money I'm able to buy two machines to take its place (a Williams EXPO and a Gottleb SPIN A CARD if anyone cares... hope this doesn't start a huge off-topic thread). I should've used part of the money to have the tormat unit in my SS-160 taken care of, or buy some parts for my E, or have the amp rebuilt in my MM-1, but I've been in kind of a pinball-ish mood lately. -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Elgie To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby Thanks John, that's the name of the game!! ackie On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:31 PM, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > I listed a pinball machine on Mr. Pinball at a premium price. It was a nice xample of the game but I still figured there wouldn't be any takers, which was ine. I didn't NEED to sell it but if the price was right I'd use the money to et something else. The right buyer came along, but I had to be patient. -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 10:45 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby Hello, Jackie and everyone else t's a little challenging to sell a jukebox in this economy as there are fewer uyers with discretionary funds to spend on "fun stuff". I'm finding that certain classic juke models still continue sell, while others > ill get no takers. In addition to putting together a great imaginative sales resentation, I'd do a few value added things like including a rackful of ecords (don't give away your favorites) and the service manual to make the ale ore attractive. If you have spare stylii etc, I'd throw those in, too. You might want to try listing your machine on Craigslist, in an effort to each local buyer. There's a lesser-known site called Kijiji that doesn't list many ukes for sale. You may want to try there. There are a few on-line sites here jukebox sellers can list a jukebox for free. It's a question how many uyers cruise these sites. 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Date: Fri Jan 8 14:17:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 2410 solenoid ... rewound! Message-ID: Yup, the insulation can go bad. Rock Ola lever reset coils are known to short in the 1970s machines. The solenoids can heat up in a very short time and 30, 35, 40+ years of that can take their toll on that very thin insulation. Sounds like you found a solution and as long as your values are the same, it should work just fine. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 8 14:24:55 2010 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Fri Jan 8 14:26:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? References: Message-ID: <901F84D57F58433E817E94031090869D@dirksen> Something bothers me about this - I've got a Pickering NP/AC on my I200 and have no problems clearing the gripper arm or tracking records. I did have to raise the front end of the tonearm since the cartridge sits lower than the original, but that is a two minute adjustment. Are you sure your metal mounting tabs aren't bent, causing the wrong angle? I'll bet you could bend them with needle nose pliers in a jiffy to get the right angle.Or is the Pickering mounting different than the Stanton (I've not seen that one)? Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:25 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? Steve. Thanks for the well written insight into the N44 verses Stanton 500/NP-AC. That makes sense. You don't want a goofy attack angle. That all makes perfect sense. The 500-NP/AC have metal mounting tabs that aren't really alterable (is that a word?). Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ----------------------------------------------------------- I hate to rehash this, BUT... As I say every time this comes up, my experience is that when propperly modified, the Shure M44 fits the AMI F tone arm WAY better than the Stanton 500 I tried (which is pretty much the same as a pickering NP / AC, as mentioned before). The thing is, the AMI tone arm has mounting bosses that are meant to go *into* the cartridge body, like it does on the GE. The M44 has plastic mounting flutes that you can modify quite easily with a dremmel tool so it fits up into the tone arm. My experience with the Stanton was that it was still tall enough that you couldn't make it ride at the angle it was designed for, without running into the transfer arm as mentioned above. Instead, it rides slanted upward, and the plastic around the stylus area catches on any slight warps you might have in your records. (By "slanted upward", I mean compared to how it's designed, which I believe would be with the bottom plane of the plastic stylus mount riding level, not slanting up toward the front.) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.130/2607 - Release Date: 01/08/10 02:35:00 From jhayes2613 at aol.com Fri Jan 8 14:26:17 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 8 14:28:28 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC5EC8BA9C8215-5868-8E32@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> I listed my $900 Williams pinball machine on Craigslist, Kyle, and did not get any response. I listed it on Mr. Pinball and eventually got the $900 I was looking for from an out of state buyer. It's a specialized site for discriminating buyers. Um, gee, then what do you suggest? -----Original Message----- From: Mechanical Music of S.F. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:03 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby JHayes writes: High-ticket items probably don't fare as well on Craigslist or Ebay. Everybody ants a bargain." * * Um, gee, then what do you suggest? Solutions. . Craigslist -Politely dismiss lowball offers. . eBay - Set a reserve. eminds me of the guy who replied to my craigslist ad and offered me $100 for my weet smooth and quiet running 1971 AMI MM5 and told me "That's all it's was orth, no jukebox is worth more than $200" like he was an expert and I didn't now anything and I'd accept that those words were somehow fact. trangely enough, I think I sold it for $550 a day or two later. Gee I guess I ipped that guy off for a perfectly good working jukebox with great sound and a loor so clean you could eat off it. Oh, and I offer a 30 day warranty. made sure to email him that it sold for my asking price. Kyle ~ echanical Music of San Francisco Here's a photo of the "only worth $100 jukebox." ttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Mechanical%20Music%20jukes/mm5.jpg?t=1262984103 --------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________ otmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. ttp://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/_______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Fri Jan 8 14:23:14 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 8 14:32:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: <20100108.162225.24507.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100108.162225.24507.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC5EC84D941907-5868-8D79@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> I got my $60 MM-1 thru Craigslist. The seller had it listed for twice that and while I liked it a lot I really and truly did not have any money to buy it. Apparently nobody else did, either, and staying in touch with him paid off. He told me to haul it off for $60 and for that kind of a deal I had a friend float me a loan. -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Hi Everybody: Craigslist has worked pretty well for me when selling some moderately priced ukes. the advantage of using Craigslist is that it puts you in touch with otential buyers in your area so that you don't have to deal with shipping ossibilities (a big deal for a jukebox) and you don't have the higher cost of n E Bay listing. I know of some juke buyers that had a bad experience (their hipped juke showed up with damage, due to improper packing, or the machine ondition was misrepresented by the seller) that won't buy on EBay again. Listing on Kijiji is similar to Craigslist, but covering a wider territory. You may want to try listing locally on one of these two sites first. If you on't get any takers then go to E Bay to expose yourself to a national buying udience. If your 1650 is in Grade 1 condition, and you can take the time, try elling through one of the juke selling websites or use the Always Jukin' ad ection. This way your ad is being read by serious jukebox fans and buyers. You can generally find comparable machines selling on E Bay most times---I'd say hat any Wurlitzer 1250, 1400,1450, 1600 or 1650 juke will fetch about the same oney. Always Jukin' magazine publishes a jukebox price guide that seems to e loosely regarded as the blue book of the classic jukebox hobby. Right now he values posted for most jukes seem to be running about 20% below their posted ell prices if that helps. he trend seems to be that always-in-demand collectible juke models, such as 1015's, Seeburg 100C's, W1800's will command close to the book prices. Other 0's-60's ,odels with visible mechs are selling about 20% -25% below the book rice. Later console style jukes of the 70's-80's aren't selling except at iveaway prices. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ eight Loss Program est Weight Loss Program - Click Here! ttp://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-q9EQK_rnseE06LvkFvmlgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 8 14:32:40 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 8 14:36:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2410 solenoid ... rewound! Message-ID: <20100108.173240.10483.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Steve I'm glad that you were able to make your home made magnet coil work out for you. Magnet wire is coated with enamel to prevent the turns from shorting together. Chances are your original was either shorted (an overcurrent condition cooked off the insulation on the wire) or else the wire was open. (either overcurrent or old age). I agree with you, buying original used parts from the "usual suspects" can get really pricey. They say that once they sell off all their original parts from their junk jukes, there will be no more to be had. That's the rationale behind the high asking prices, I'm told. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=dPnD73uRTc-Hgo8YBXUCBgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From Jjmscf at aol.com Fri Jan 8 15:41:32 2010 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 8 15:43:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Message-ID: Craigslist worked for me when I sold my Seeburg PFEA1U. It took a couple of weeks to get a serious buyer but he bought it for my full asking price of $600.It did include records and a 30 day warranty. J.C. In a message dated 1/8/2010 5:32:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jhayes2613@aol.com writes: I got my $60 MM-1 thru Craigslist. The seller had it listed for twice that and while I liked it a lot I really and truly did not have any money to buy it. Apparently nobody else did, either, and staying in touch with him paid off. He told me to haul it off for $60 and for that kind of a deal I had a friend float me a loan. -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Hi Everybody: Craigslist has worked pretty well for me when selling some moderately priced ukes. the advantage of using Craigslist is that it puts you in touch with otential buyers in your area so that you don't have to deal with shipping ossibilities (a big deal for a jukebox) and you don't have the higher cost of n E Bay listing. I know of some juke buyers that had a bad experience (their hipped juke showed up with damage, due to improper packing, or the machine ondition was misrepresented by the seller) that won't buy on EBay again. Listing on Kijiji is similar to Craigslist, but covering a wider territory. You may want to try listing locally on one of these two sites first. If you on't get any takers then go to E Bay to expose yourself to a national buying udience. If your 1650 is in Grade 1 condition, and you can take the time, try elling through one of the juke selling websites or use the Always Jukin' ad ection. This way your ad is being read by serious jukebox fans and buyers. You can generally find comparable machines selling on E Bay most times---I'd say hat any Wurlitzer 1250, 1400,1450, 1600 or 1650 juke will fetch about the same oney. Always Jukin' magazine publishes a jukebox price guide that seems to e loosely regarded as the blue book of the classic jukebox hobby. Right now he values posted for most jukes seem to be running about 20% below their posted ell prices if that helps. he trend seems to be that always-in-demand collectible juke models, such as 1015's, Seeburg 100C's, W1800's will command close to the book prices. Other 0's-60's ,odels with visible mechs are selling about 20% -25% below the book rice. Later console style jukes of the 70's-80's aren't selling except at iveaway prices. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ eight Loss Program est Weight Loss Program - Click Here! ttp://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-q9EQK_rnseE06LvkFvmlgAAJ1Ex QK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Jan 8 15:50:19 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Jan 8 15:51:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Message-ID: I think there's a little more to it than that. In San Francisco where it started, Craigslist gets thousands of posts per day in the for sale category. It's the first place most visit when buying or selling something. It's literally killed the printed classified ads in the local paper. This isn't true in many areas. There are still some major cities where craigslist has yet to be really discovered by the locals. For people looking for "a pinball machine" or "a jukebox" Craigslist is perfectly viable option. With this type of searcher, yes, they're apt to be bargain hunters, but not necessarily because they're cheap, but because they don't know much on the subject. Let's take your $900 pinball machine for example. 1. Depending on where you are, perhaps craigslist isn't a household word, so fewer searchers. 2. Novices aren't likely to pony up that kind of money. They will comparison shop for a while. 3. People in your own hobby may have avoided it because... a) by your own admission, it's a boring game to play, and b) hobbiests often look for bargains because they know what things are worth or that they can pick one up cheaper and fix it themselves. Eventually you found your buyer because he wanted that machine, and that's great, but something like a working 1950 era jukebox has a fairly broad appeal, an being driving distance from D.C. and NYC, I'd have to say she has a pretty good chance of getting a hit on it. She sold her Seeburg LS2 for her asking price of $700 in short order. The point here being that you can't generalize the buying habits of the general population on your own circumstances or one experience. You just said you had to borrow $60 to buy a jukebox. While I know times are tough, and God knows I don't have money to throw away, if I didn't have sixty spare dollars, I'd be more worried about where my next meal was coming from rather than buying a jukebox. In Jackie's situation, she's near a couple MAJOR metropolitan areas, Washington D.C. and New York City, where there's a particularly large amount of money flowing. Vintage jukeboxes go in and out of vogue with the wealthy and she could get top dollar for it if properly advertised. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri Jan 8 15:50:28 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Fri Jan 8 15:52:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi slow playing turntables Message-ID: <8CC037E9D61242A2827FBA9AB3FB1854@p4> I mentioned in another post that I had acquired Dr. Know-It-All's adapter kit to set proper RPM for older AMi jukes. I am happy to report that the new spindle that replaces the stock one that is located on the turntable motor and the two new sized belts are a success. Not cheap at $50, but worth it in the end. I have also replaced the title strip animation gel and the colors are so bright and beautiful. I have the lower animation gels and will replace them this weekend. The D80 is looking and sounding super..God I love this hobby.. Rich From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri Jan 8 15:52:56 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Fri Jan 8 15:54:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13AE7505EDD54161983CA2992E85665E@p4> I have sold 3 jukes thru Craigslist. I like the localness of it. Through that sale, I have a new contact and friend in the hobby. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 5:42 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Craigslist worked for me when I sold my Seeburg PFEA1U. It took a couple of weeks to get a serious buyer but he bought it for my full asking price of $600.It did include records and a 30 day warranty. J.C. In a message dated 1/8/2010 5:32:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jhayes2613@aol.com writes: I got my $60 MM-1 thru Craigslist. The seller had it listed for twice that and while I liked it a lot I really and truly did not have any money to buy it. Apparently nobody else did, either, and staying in touch with him paid off. He told me to haul it off for $60 and for that kind of a deal I had a friend float me a loan. -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Hi Everybody: Craigslist has worked pretty well for me when selling some moderately priced ukes. the advantage of using Craigslist is that it puts you in touch with otential buyers in your area so that you don't have to deal with shipping ossibilities (a big deal for a jukebox) and you don't have the higher cost of n E Bay listing. I know of some juke buyers that had a bad experience (their hipped juke showed up with damage, due to improper packing, or the machine ondition was misrepresented by the seller) that won't buy on EBay again. Listing on Kijiji is similar to Craigslist, but covering a wider territory. You may want to try listing locally on one of these two sites first. If you on't get any takers then go to E Bay to expose yourself to a national buying udience. If your 1650 is in Grade 1 condition, and you can take the time, try elling through one of the juke selling websites or use the Always Jukin' ad ection. This way your ad is being read by serious jukebox fans and buyers. You can generally find comparable machines selling on E Bay most times---I'd say hat any Wurlitzer 1250, 1400,1450, 1600 or 1650 juke will fetch about the same oney. Always Jukin' magazine publishes a jukebox price guide that seems to e loosely regarded as the blue book of the classic jukebox hobby. Right now he values posted for most jukes seem to be running about 20% below their posted ell prices if that helps. he trend seems to be that always-in-demand collectible juke models, such as 1015's, Seeburg 100C's, W1800's will command close to the book prices. Other 0's-60's ,odels with visible mechs are selling about 20% -25% below the book rice. Later console style jukes of the 70's-80's aren't selling except at iveaway prices. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2605 - Release Date: 01/08/10 13:35:00 From steve at pro-ns.net Fri Jan 8 16:00:47 2010 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Fri Jan 8 16:02:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? In-Reply-To: <901F84D57F58433E817E94031090869D@dirksen> References: <901F84D57F58433E817E94031090869D@dirksen> Message-ID: <20100109000047.GF24321@pro-ns.net> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 05:24:55PM -0500, The Dirksen Family wrote: > Something bothers me about this - I've got a Pickering NP/AC on my I200 > and have no problems clearing the gripper arm or tracking records. I did > have to raise the front end of the tonearm since the cartridge sits lower > than the original, but that is a two minute adjustment. Are you sure your > metal mounting tabs aren't bent, causing the wrong angle? I'll bet you > could bend them with needle nose pliers in a jiffy to get the right > angle.Or is the Pickering mounting different than the Stanton (I've not > seen that one)? Jim, I know my cartridge bracket wasn't bent, and it sounds like the pickering and stanton are the same thing. Keeping in mind that things may have changed between the F120, which I have, and the I200 (which I don't)... When you say you had to "raise the front end of the tonearm since the cartridge sits lower," did you mean you had to raise the *back* of the tone arm to match the increase in height of the front of the tone arm? I think that's what you meant, 'cause that's what makes sense. On the F, and I'm quite sure on at least the G models, the screw in the center of the tone arm post raises the rear end of the tone arm in playing position, BUT you end up reducing the lift in record-changing position by more or less the same amount you raised it for playing position. I found if I raised the rear high enough to make the "stylus shroud" bottom parallel to the record in playing position, then the cartridge did not lift up high enough in record changing position, and hit *something* on its way to returning to the right. I'm not 100% sure it was the record arm at this point. It's kind of a long story that I've written up on this list before. Ah, I found it: There are two adjustments available as far as I could tell. The one at the rear of the tonearm affects the height of the rear of the tonearm when playing. The one at the front controls how high the rear of the tonearm goes before lifting the arm off the record. Unfortunately, the rear adjustment only affects the rear height while playing; it doesn't change the final height of the tonearm as it's lifted off while rejecting / changing records. Does that match how the I200 works? It's entirely possible (not sure how likely) that they redesigned the tone arm positioning, possibly for the 200 mech. That would explain some of the differences in opinion on the list, if we're comparing apples and oranges. Here's the comment I made one of the previous times this came up: http://jukebox.markmail.org/message/54up5amr7csanlsy?q=AMI+G200+Cartridge&page=2 Wow, that was back in 2005! Time flies... --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer From steve at pro-ns.net Fri Jan 8 16:09:15 2010 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Fri Jan 8 16:10:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2410 solenoid ... rewound! In-Reply-To: <20100108.173240.10483.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100108.173240.10483.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20100109000915.GG24321@pro-ns.net> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 10:32:40PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: > > > Steve > > I'm glad that you were able to make your home made magnet coil work > out for you. Magnet wire is coated with enamel to prevent the turns > from shorting together. Chances are your original was either > shorted (an overcurrent condition cooked off the insulation on the > wire) or else the wire was open. (either overcurrent or old age). Yeah, I didn't find a break in the old wire, but the enamel was apparently crumbling off the copper, as I felt the wire was rough as I was unwinding it. So likely a short. > I agree with you, buying original used parts from the "usual > suspects" can get really pricey. They say that once they sell off > all their original parts from their junk jukes, there will be no > more to be had. That's the rationale behind the high asking prices, > I'm told. Yes, I'm not complaining about their prices. At the risk of exposing some economic or political bias on my part, I think the free market is working quite appropriately here, as it encourages me to avoid reducing the number of solenoids available on the supply side if I don't have to. :-) --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Jan 8 16:12:11 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Jan 8 16:13:48 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMi slow playing turntables Message-ID: Rich, NICE! Photos when it's done! $50 is cheap to fix a lingering problem and enhance your enjoyment. The new color gels are probably worth their weight in gold. ALL money well spent. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From edbap at aol.com Fri Jan 8 16:12:04 2010 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 8 16:14:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC5ED781ED3AB0-2E7C-A119@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> I have not had much luck selling on craigslist. I get lookers, low ballers, phone calls , and no shows. -----Original Message----- From: Jjmscf@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:41 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Craigslist worked for me when I sold my Seeburg PFEA1U. It took a couple f weeks to get a serious buyer but he bought it for my full asking price f $600.It did include records and a 30 day warranty. .C. n a message dated 1/8/2010 5:32:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hayes2613@aol.com writes: I got my $60 MM-1 thru Craigslist. The seller had it listed for twice that nd while I liked it a lot I really and truly did not have any money to uy it. Apparently nobody else did, either, and staying in touch with him aid off. He told me to haul it off for $60 and for that kind of a deal I had friend float me a loan. -----Original Message----- rom: James Alexander o: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:22 pm ubject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Hi Everybody: raigslist has worked pretty well for me when selling some moderately riced kes. the advantage of using Craigslist is that it puts you in touch ith tential buyers in your area so that you don't have to deal with shipping ssibilities (a big deal for a jukebox) and you don't have the higher cost f E Bay listing. I know of some juke buyers that had a bad experience their ipped juke showed up with damage, due to improper packing, or the machine ndition was misrepresented by the seller) that won't buy on EBay again. isting on Kijiji is similar to Craigslist, but covering a wider erritory. ou may want to try listing locally on one of these two sites first. If ou n't get any takers then go to E Bay to expose yourself to a national uying dience. If your 1650 is in Grade 1 condition, and you can take the time, ry lling through one of the juke selling websites or use the Always Jukin' d ction. This way your ad is being read by serious jukebox fans and buyers. ou can generally find comparable machines selling on E Bay most imes---I'd say at any Wurlitzer 1250, 1400,1450, 1600 or 1650 juke will fetch about the ame ney. Always Jukin' magazine publishes a jukebox price guide that eems to loosely regarded as the blue book of the classic jukebox hobby. Right ow e values posted for most jukes seem to be running about 20% below their osted ll prices if that helps. e trend seems to be that always-in-demand collectible juke models, such s 015's, Seeburg 100C's, W1800's will command close to the book prices. ther 's-60's ,odels with visible mechs are selling about 20% -25% below the ook ice. Later console style jukes of the 70's-80's aren't selling except t veaway prices. im Alexander ___________________________________________________________ ight Loss Program st Weight Loss Program - Click Here! tp://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-q9EQK_rnseE06LvkFvmlgAAJ1Ex K3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _____________________________________________ kebox-list mailing list kebox-list@lists.netlojix.com tp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list archable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From cew142 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 8 16:35:51 2010 From: cew142 at yahoo.com (Jay) Date: Fri Jan 8 16:37:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: <72DEFA61-B560-4A6B-9C0B-CD422E73C662@verizon.net> Message-ID: <561096.69838.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jackie, Advertising your jukebox with a youtube clip is one of the best things you can do. I have listed MANY different auctions with youtube clips embeded into my auction and it gives the prospective buyer a visual look at what they are bidding on. I have had success maximizing my profits using this method. In my opinion, with the technology of today there is no reason to NOT list an auction without a video. Let us know when it's on there! Looking forward to it! Jay --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 11:07 AM > Bob, > That is GREAT advice, thank you so very much.....many > things I never thought of!? You are correct in starting > my research now and composing a description and pics.? > I LOVE the Youtube idea, very clever!? > Jackie > > > > On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Bob Ford wrote: > > > > > > > Take your time composing your write-up, make sure it > is comprehensive and accurate and I'm not being personal "no > spelling mistakes." Good grammar creates a good impression. > > > > Use the facilities of Ebay to make your presentation > as professional as possible. > > > > Take plenty of photos they aren't expensive to include > and include shots from all angles,? including the > interior. > > > > Make a video of it showing the process from selection, > through playing? a record in good condition, to the > return of the record to the carousel and put it on YouTube, > including the link in your write up. (So few people do this > and it's a fantastic sales-aid). > > > > Start looking through "completed listings" now, to > ascertain what sort of price you can expect for your > machine, though it's no guarantee of future prices. > > > > Choose when to put your machine on. It's no good > listing it if there's similar machines on at the same time, > if you hope to get more than an amount with which others > would be happy. > > > > Set a low starting price. > > > > Set a? reserve price at the minimum with which > you'd be happy. > > > > Watch out for "dreamers" with a poor history. > > > > You'll probably get e-mails from people wanting to buy > it at below your reserve price. > > Say no and say you are going to let the auction run, > as many jukeboxes don't get any offers until there's a > flurry of activity near the close out time. Include the > question and response in the listing to deter others. > > > > Choose your close-out day and time carefully. With > anything I've sold on eBay, I always choose a week-end and a > time that lets people get home from the pub for a possible > alcohol influenced bid. > > Most people ask for cash on collection. For large > items the eBay and Paypal fees are ridiculous. > > > > I'm sure others will tell you about things I've > ommitted to mention. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" > > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:22 PM > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] A Self-sustaining Hobby > > > > > > Good Morning, > > In order to make my hobby of saving a Jukebox from the > dump a self-sustaining one, I am going to list my Wurlitzer > 1650 on Ebay in February....are there any suggestions out > there, as I have never sold anything this large or > expensive?? ? Thanks in advance, > > Jackie_______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From joe400f at shaw.ca Fri Jan 8 17:32:30 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Fri Jan 8 17:34:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Magnetic cartridges (was G200...) References: <20100108.104850.14262.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> <4B478B1A.2010606@west.net> Message-ID: <001001ca90cb$9c738e20$48944e18@compaq> Does anyone have a side view picture of a Stanton or Pickering NP/AC cartridge installed in there jukes? About a month ago I installed a Shure M77 cartridge into my Rockola 1468 tonearm. I posted progress on the list for anyone interested. here is a sideview pisture of it installed. http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx236/noiselesstele/P1030802.jpg http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx236/noiselesstele/P1030804.jpg http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx236/noiselesstele/P1030760.jpg I looked up the 2 cartridges that are being discussed right now. I can't see them fitting as nice as the Shure. They have a metal mount that mounts against the tone arm mounting bosses. It looks to me like the cartridge would be higher than the Shure when installed. Higher meaning that when the tone arm is in play position, it sits higher. The Rockola of this era and the AMI F and G use a similar tone arm and cartridge mounting. I want to install updated cartridges in my AMI jukes as well. One thing I noticed is that the Shure cartridge is expensive. $70 ish. Joey McDonald From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Jan 8 17:47:37 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Jan 8 17:49:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Magnetic cartridges (was G200...) Message-ID: Joey, Nice job on the cartridge mount. That said, it looks like the rubber motor mounts are completely rotted. Three cheap grommets from the hardware store and 3 washers would do the trick. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Fri Jan 8 17:58:01 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Fri Jan 8 17:59:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Magnetic cartridges (was G200...) References: Message-ID: <001701ca90cf$2e8ec920$48944e18@compaq> I installed the cartridge before I got the mounts. I changes all 3 motor mounts and also the tonearm bushings/mounts. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:47 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Magnetic cartridges (was G200...) Joey, Nice job on the cartridge mount. That said, it looks like the rubber motor mounts are completely rotted. Three cheap grommets from the hardware store and 3 washers would do the trick. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 8 17:37:16 2010 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Fri Jan 8 18:05:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <124678.75790.qm@web63202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I wouldn't have paid more than $99;tops,for that juke............and the Jets are going to win the superbowl,too..........muhahaha.... nice looking juke;great job on the resto Kyle! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball '70's (??) Nat'l Vendors Crown CC Deluxe Candy machine --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 4:03 PM JHayes writes: "High-ticket items probably don't fare as well on Craigslist or Ebay. Everybody wants a bargain." * * * Um, gee, then what do you suggest? Solutions. 1. Craigslist -Politely dismiss lowball offers. 2. eBay - Set a reserve. Reminds me of the guy who replied to my craigslist ad and offered me $100 for my sweet smooth and quiet running 1971 AMI MM5 and told me "That's all it's was worth, no jukebox is worth more than $200" like he was an expert and I didn't know anything and I'd accept that those words were somehow fact.? Strangely enough, I think I sold it for $550 a day or two later. Gee I guess I ripped that guy off for a perfectly good working jukebox with great sound and a floor so clean you could eat off it. Oh, and I offer a 30 day warranty. I made sure to email him that it sold for my asking price. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco Here's a photo of the "only worth $100 jukebox." http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Mechanical%20Music%20jukes/mm5.jpg?t=1262984103 ---------------------------------------------------- ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jan 8 18:32:35 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Jan 8 18:34:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A trial Run for Sale Message-ID: <594F4D1A-0BFA-4D8D-8E33-2886D6BF706D@verizon.net> Good Eve, I decided to give the Juke a trial run on Craigslist and also on Kijiji (thanks for that link, had never heard of it). I included this link http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100081 with a video and some pics....it turned out pretty good. It's been up for a few hours and have had 2 inquires from Craigslist. I am getting nervous, it might happen toooooo quickly, lol Thanks for all the suggestions it was wonderful to write the description and the video is the kicker! Will keep you updated, Jackie From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Jan 8 18:35:38 2010 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Jan 8 18:37:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi slow playing turntables In-Reply-To: <8CC037E9D61242A2827FBA9AB3FB1854@p4> References: <8CC037E9D61242A2827FBA9AB3FB1854@p4> Message-ID: <20100109023401.M90384@dwave.net> Great news Rich! I?purchased a?kit last month, but have not been able to get with the juke owner to install it. Glad to hear it is working as advertised. Jeremy Agema On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:50:28 -0600, SSG Rich Myers wrote > I mentioned in another post that I had acquired Dr. Know-It-All's adapter > kit to set proper RPM for older AMi jukes. ?I am happy to report that the > new spindle that replaces the stock one that is located on the turntable > motor and the two new sized belts are a success. Not cheap at $50, ?but > worth it in the end. ?I have also replaced the title strip animation gel and > the colors are so bright and beautiful. ?I have the lower animation gels and > will replace them this weekend. ?The D80 is looking and sounding super..God > I love this hobby.. > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Jan 8 18:52:18 2010 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Jan 8 18:53:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite 200 error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100109023658.M36065@dwave.net> Hi Terry, This error happens when the computer can't read the pricing info. I have found this to be caused by a shorted diode on the power board which causes different parts to fry in the computer. I have taken photos of my repairs and posted them on Photobucket http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/ Check out the album "NSM Sat Repair". I do have most of the technical info on these (there's not much). The parts for these machines?can be?difficult to get (for many reasons). Are there any specific parts you are looking for? Have you had the machine working and this is a new problem? I will be glad to help you out. Contact me off list if you wish. Good luck Jeremy Agema On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:31:44 -0500, Terry Kuhns wrote > I have an NSM Satellite 200 which on power up gives me an error code I'm assuming. It has a "P" in the far left display and the right display has "E.rr 00. I do not have a manual. Is there somewhere I can get info on error codes for this machine? Also, if needed, where can I find parts? > > Thank you for any info! > Terry > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 8 19:04:53 2010 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Fri Jan 8 19:06:30 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? References: <901F84D57F58433E817E94031090869D@dirksen> <20100109000047.GF24321@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <1DB9D3B29AEB4A6E97D22F7B4700CA53@dirksen> I didn't touch the rear screw (over the post). When in the play position, this screw should be adjusted so that the underside of the tonearm just barely clears the cam (so the tonearm rotates freely). I don't have the F manual, but I'll bet my paycheck it doesn't say to use that screw to adjust cartridge angle. If you raised the tonearm here, you reduced the amount of lift done by the cam. I simply adjusted the needle height screw, which brings the front end of the tonearm up to clear the gripper arm. This is why I asked if there is a difference between the two cartridges. My Pickering bolted right in and is angled down in front. The "stylus shroud" clears fine. Bend your mounting tabs so the angle is right, and lower the rear end of your tonearm. It should work just fine. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Wahl" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? > On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 05:24:55PM -0500, The Dirksen Family wrote: >> Something bothers me about this - I've got a Pickering NP/AC on my I200 >> and have no problems clearing the gripper arm or tracking records. I did >> have to raise the front end of the tonearm since the cartridge sits lower >> than the original, but that is a two minute adjustment. Are you sure your >> metal mounting tabs aren't bent, causing the wrong angle? I'll bet you >> could bend them with needle nose pliers in a jiffy to get the right >> angle.Or is the Pickering mounting different than the Stanton (I've not >> seen that one)? > > Jim, > > I know my cartridge bracket wasn't bent, and it sounds like the > pickering and stanton are the same thing. > > Keeping in mind that things may have changed between the F120, which I > have, and the I200 (which I don't)... > > When you say you had to "raise the front end of the tonearm since the > cartridge sits lower," did you mean you had to raise the *back* of the > tone arm to match the increase in height of the front of the tone arm? > I think that's what you meant, 'cause that's what makes sense. > > On the F, and I'm quite sure on at least the G models, the screw in > the center of the tone arm post raises the rear end of the tone arm in > playing position, BUT you end up reducing the lift in record-changing > position by more or less the same amount you raised it for playing > position. > > I found if I raised the rear high enough to make the "stylus shroud" > bottom parallel to the record in playing position, then the cartridge > did not lift up high enough in record changing position, and hit > *something* on its way to returning to the right. I'm not 100% sure > it was the record arm at this point. > > It's kind of a long story that I've written up on this list before. > Ah, I found it: > > There are two adjustments available as far as I could tell. The > one at the rear of the tonearm affects the height of the rear of > the tonearm when playing. The one at the front controls how high > the rear of the tonearm goes before lifting the arm off the > record. Unfortunately, the rear adjustment only affects the rear > height while playing; it doesn't change the final height of the > tonearm as it's lifted off while rejecting / changing records. > > Does that match how the I200 works? It's entirely possible (not sure > how likely) that they redesigned the tone arm positioning, possibly > for the 200 mech. That would explain some of the differences in > opinion on the list, if we're comparing apples and oranges. > > Here's the comment I made one of the previous times this came up: > > http://jukebox.markmail.org/message/54up5amr7csanlsy?q=AMI+G200+Cartridge&page=2 > > Wow, that was back in 2005! Time flies... > > --> Steve > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > -- Henry Spencer > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.131/2608 - Release Date: 01/08/10 14:35:00 From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jan 8 19:20:24 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Jan 8 19:22:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan Mech removal Was: Cabinet restorer in Chicago-land? In-Reply-To: <211429.30995.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <211429.30995.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, good luck and beeeeee careful! Make sure you both eat Cheerios first, lol Jackie On Jan 8, 2010, at 3:09 PM, NotarySojac wrote: > Thanks to all of this good info I was able to disconnect the rod and loosen up > the mech for removal this weekend. Like Jackie's hubby, I have a VERY patient, understanding > and encouraging wife. She'll help me coax the beast out of the cabinet an onto the bench. > > Bob - Chicago > >> The Dirksen Family dirksenj at bellsouth.net >> Thu Jan 7 04:29:08 PST 2010 >> * Previous message: [Jukebox-list] Cabinet restorer in Chicago-land? >> * Next message: [Jukebox-list] keys for AMI >> * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> ________________________________ >> >> The mech sits on wooden "runners" that slide out easily. There are held by >> two wood screws on either side that bolt from underneath the mech shelf. >> Aaron is right about removing the rod, although you have to push it up first >> to disengage from the receiver, then angle and pull down to disengage from >> the mech. I find it easier to loosen the drum cover screws and lift the >> cover up and over while doing this. Be careful and don't loosen the little >> metal strips all the way, as there is a ball bearing inside that can fall. >> The rod has a flat ground on both ends, so installation is a snap (you won't >> get it out of adjustment). Good luck, >> >> Jim >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Aaron H" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Cabinet restorer in Chicago-land? >> >> >>> Bob, >>> That mech will easily slide right out the back of the cabinet completely >>> intact. You only need to remove the linkage rod that connects the helix to >>> the selection receiver and that's done by loosening two set screws on a >>> bracket that holds the rod to the bottom of the helix, and to a similar >>> bracket that holds the rod to the selection receiver. The set screws only >>> provide some tension against a strip of metal that secures the rod to both >>> ends. Once that tension is removed, you should be able to gently pull the >>> rod down from the helix - if I'm not mistaken. Hopefully someone can chime >>> in on this because it's been a number of years since I've done it and I >>> don't want to give Bob the wrong advice... but I'm pretty sure that's the >>> way it's done. >>> >>> After that, the mech simply slides out as one entire unit. And Jackie is >>> absolutely right. The mech weighs a ton. >>> >>> Aaron >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jan 8 19:24:23 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Jan 8 19:26:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kyle, that's a pretty Jukebox! Jackie On Jan 8, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > > JHayes writes: > "High-ticket items probably don't fare as well on Craigslist or Ebay. Everybody wants a bargain." > > > * * * > > Um, gee, then what do you suggest? > > Solutions. > 1. Craigslist -Politely dismiss lowball offers. > 2. eBay - Set a reserve. > > > Reminds me of the guy who replied to my craigslist ad and offered me $100 for my sweet smooth and quiet running 1971 AMI MM5 and told me "That's all it's was worth, no jukebox is worth more than $200" like he was an expert and I didn't know anything and I'd accept that those words were somehow fact. > Strangely enough, I think I sold it for $550 a day or two later. Gee I guess I ripped that guy off for a perfectly good working jukebox with great sound and a floor so clean you could eat off it. Oh, and I offer a 30 day warranty. > I made sure to email him that it sold for my asking price. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > Here's a photo of the "only worth $100 jukebox." > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Mechanical%20Music%20jukes/mm5.jpg?t=1262984103 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jan 8 19:27:41 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Jan 8 19:29:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] MY NEW BABY In-Reply-To: <363940.72289.qm@web44901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <363940.72289.qm@web44901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5B16F8F0-95CB-435A-BFC5-3A8F20A803D7@verizon.net> Wow, you are more brave than I !! I have to take pictures and label everything that I take off so I will know how to put it together again....and that's WITH the manual next to me, lol Jackie On Jan 8, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Mike Hopple wrote: > I brought my G80 home in cardboard boxes, with just the service manual put it all back together and love the way it sounds, if only my Wurlitzer was as simple! You'll love the little fish tank when it's done. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 8 19:35:33 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 8 19:39:12 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Message-ID: <20100108.223533.22379.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Hello Everyone: I'll contribute one more nugget to this string before it dies off---I guess there's no real way to predict what'll happen today when you sell a juke via one of these portal sites. Whoever suggested the idea of attaching a You Tube clip to the sale had a great idea. Can you attach full-motion video to a Craigslist post? I thought you were band-limited to posting 4 still shots there. Recently I sold two jukes in the Atlanta Ga area in early December. One was a cheaper machine, one was a fairly high dollar collectible model. Machine # 1 was a '72 Wurlitzer 7500 that had been 100% gone over, mechanically & electronically, had all new speaker drivers installed,a magnetic cartridge conversion,(wonderful sound quality--operationally perfect) and included a rackful of 100 records. The cabinet was refinished in a tasteful glossy maple stain, to cover up the little nicks, dings, cigarette burns etc from it's life in a bar somewhere. I'd call it a nice Grade 2 machine. Machine # 2 was a '61 RockOla 1495 Regis, which I'd call a nice Grade 2 machine. The electronics had been rebuilt,including 4 new 6973 tubes, new speakers, the mechanics,motors etc were gone over, with the exception of the pinbank being rebuilt. It had a few selections at the bottom of the pinbank that occasionally didn't fire. I wanted to make the sale in time for the Christmas holidays---taking the time to pull and rebuild the pinbank would have taken too long. The original exterior was in nicely-preserved condition,but wasn't museum-quality perfect. Typical user dings and scratches in the chrome. All interior trim , the turntable dress cap etc were in place. The coin rejector was not with the unit. I made the prospective owner aware of the pinbank problem. I sell machines carrying a 6 month warranty. Listed both machines on the local Craigslist. Found an intown buyer for the W7500 that way. Was originally asking $800 for the W7500 credenza model machine. I settled on a $750 sell price and agreed to type up a set of titlestrips for the new owner. From Craigslist, I had two inquiries that made ridiculous low-ball offers on the RO machine. Decided to to list the RockOla on EBay as an auction item for exposure to a bigger audience. High bid of $2,200 came from a local buyer (!), who hadn't seen the Craigslist posting. The buyers for the machines were the owner of a collection agency and a mortgage foreclosure attorney. (Recession, what recession--business is great!!--- they both said) I guess it depends upon your point of view. I've been trying to sell a nice complete '76 Seeburg STD-3 Sunstar for quite awhile now--can't attract a buyer.People look, listen to it--they say "that's nice", and then they walk away. Machine's tormat unit, amp,sequencer and mech have been rebuilt for great sound and perfect operation. All new lamps (60?) in the front panel sequential light show . Unit has only 39,000 plays on the meter. Cabinet and glass is nice, but has typical dents scratches etc from early comm'l use. Asking $800, which includes a rack ful of records (music preference of the buyer.) Any advice anyone cares to offer is appreciated. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=4OZqTpkJ2BJdp_x_r6QnaAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 8 19:40:46 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 8 19:44:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A trial Run for Sale Message-ID: <20100108.224046.22379.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Jackie & Everyone: I'm not sure how many people follow the Kijiji site. In the past there have been jukeboxes and juke parts listed for sale there, but never more than 3 at a time. Hoping that maybe having just a few sale choices will help increase your chances of selling your W1650 unit. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=UMI8-MegAD58fvSZ-oU8ggAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From Jjmscf at aol.com Fri Jan 8 19:46:30 2010 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 8 19:48:12 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] MY NEW BABY Message-ID: Jackie,If only you saw the LPC1 we were discussing in our emails. It's in pieces in my kitchen(except for the dome glass resting safely on my sofa...lol) and I intend to put it back together without any diagrams or pictures. I had the PFEA1U apart just as much as well as the Sunstar I sold. J.C. In a message dated 1/8/2010 10:29:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Wow, you are more brave than I !! I have to take pictures and label everything that I take off so I will know how to put it together again....and that's WITH the manual next to me, lol Jackie On Jan 8, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Mike Hopple wrote: > I brought my G80 home in cardboard boxes, with just the service manual put it all back together and love the way it sounds, if only my Wurlitzer was as simple! You'll love the little fish tank when it's done. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jan 8 19:58:56 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Jan 8 20:00:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] MY NEW BABY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can only wish I had that talent, when i was working on the trashcan I wrote on the inside of the cabinet with pencil where everything was and all the screws and parts that they came from I wrapped in masking tape and kept them all together and labeled the tape. I can't tell you how happy i was when i put it back together.....i guess with more experience i might get better at it but not anytime soon! Jackie On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > Jackie,If only you saw the LPC1 we were discussing in our emails. It's in > pieces in my kitchen(except for the dome glass resting safely on my > sofa...lol) and I intend to put it back together without any diagrams or pictures. > I had the PFEA1U apart just as much as well as the Sunstar I sold. > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 1/8/2010 10:29:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > etreble7@verizon.net writes: > > Wow, you are more brave than I !! I have to take pictures and label > everything that I take off so I will know how to put it together again....and > that's WITH the manual next to me, lol > Jackie > > > On Jan 8, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Mike Hopple wrote: > >> I brought my G80 home in cardboard boxes, with just the service manual > put it all back together and love the way it sounds, if only my Wurlitzer > was as simple! You'll love the little fish tank when it's done. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jan 8 20:05:10 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Jan 8 20:07:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Selling of Jukes In-Reply-To: <20100108.223533.22379.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100108.223533.22379.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Jim, that's interesting....I have no idea what would interest people about buying anything. I know when I search around I usually am not looking for anything in particular. I have been very lucky with Craigslist as a buyer. The MC100 came from a posting that was over a month old and I offered them about 1/2 of what they were asking and they jumped at it. However in order to purchase the MC100, I had to sell the LS2 that I had just gotten up and running (with the help of Ron!!) Fortunately I sold that to my girlfriend and I play it all the time...so it's not really gone :) The LS2 was also a Craigslist purchase as was the 1650 and the 2410, Trashcan and now the AMI. The only Jukebox I bought on Ebay was my Statesman. As far as selling....well that will be another chapter, I am in NO hurry so the price is high but worth it, I think? Jackie On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:35 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Hello Everyone: > > I'll contribute one more nugget to this string before it dies off---I guess there's no real way to predict what'll happen today when you sell a juke via one of these portal sites. Whoever suggested the idea of attaching a You Tube clip to the sale had a great idea. Can you attach full-motion video to a Craigslist post? I thought you were band-limited to posting 4 still shots there. > > Recently I sold two jukes in the Atlanta Ga area in early December. One was a cheaper machine, one was a fairly high dollar collectible model. > Machine # 1 was a '72 Wurlitzer 7500 that had been 100% gone over, mechanically & electronically, had all new speaker drivers installed,a magnetic cartridge conversion,(wonderful sound quality--operationally perfect) and included a rackful of 100 records. The cabinet was refinished in a tasteful glossy maple stain, to cover up the little nicks, dings, cigarette burns etc from it's life in a bar somewhere. I'd call it a nice Grade 2 machine. > > Machine # 2 was a '61 RockOla 1495 Regis, which I'd call a nice Grade 2 machine. The electronics had been rebuilt,including 4 new 6973 tubes, new speakers, the mechanics,motors etc were gone over, with the exception of the pinbank being rebuilt. It had a few selections at the bottom of the pinbank that occasionally didn't fire. I wanted to make the sale in time for the Christmas holidays---taking the time to pull and rebuild the pinbank would have taken too long. The original exterior was in nicely-preserved condition,but wasn't museum-quality perfect. Typical user dings and scratches in the chrome. All interior trim , the turntable dress cap etc were in place. The coin rejector was not with the unit. > I made the prospective owner aware of the pinbank problem. I sell machines carrying a 6 month warranty. > > Listed both machines on the local Craigslist. Found an intown buyer for the W7500 that way. Was originally asking $800 for the W7500 credenza model machine. I settled on a $750 sell price and agreed to type up a set of titlestrips for the new owner. From Craigslist, I had two inquiries that made ridiculous low-ball offers on the RO machine. > Decided to to list the RockOla on EBay as an auction item for exposure to a bigger audience. High bid of $2,200 came from a local buyer (!), who hadn't seen the Craigslist posting. > > The buyers for the machines were the owner of a collection agency and a mortgage foreclosure attorney. (Recession, what recession--business is great!!--- they both said) I guess it depends upon your point of view. > > I've been trying to sell a nice complete '76 Seeburg STD-3 Sunstar for quite awhile now--can't attract a buyer.People look, listen to it--they say "that's nice", and then they walk away. Machine's tormat unit, amp,sequencer and mech have been rebuilt for great sound and perfect operation. All new lamps (60?) in the front panel sequential light show . Unit has only 39,000 plays on the meter. Cabinet and glass is nice, but has typical dents scratches etc from early comm'l use. Asking $800, which includes a rack ful of records (music preference of the buyer.) > > Any advice anyone cares to offer is appreciated. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Love Spell > Click here to light up your life with a love spell! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=4OZqTpkJ2BJdp_x_r6QnaAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From Jjmscf at aol.com Fri Jan 8 20:14:59 2010 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 8 20:23:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Message-ID: I finally let my STD3 Sunstar go for $500. I had done the same to mine.Mine had real nice chrome but the usual scratches and a crack in the upper plastic. I completely repainted the metal cabinet except the back and it looked great.All country with some Elvis included went with it at the request of the buyer. I was told $800 was way too much for the machine and economy both here and another forum.In fact one guy on the other forum told me to go away with my dumpster fodder when I was complaining about not being able to sell it even after I dropped the asking price to $600 and was asking for advice on selling it. Never had so much trouble unloading a juke. The economy went bad while this one was being overhauled. J.C. In a message dated 1/8/2010 10:39:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jalexandercc@netzero.net writes: Hello Everyone: I'll contribute one more nugget to this string before it dies off---I guess there's no real way to predict what'll happen today when you sell a juke via one of these portal sites. Whoever suggested the idea of attaching a You Tube clip to the sale had a great idea. Can you attach full-motion video to a Craigslist post? I thought you were band-limited to posting 4 still shots there. Recently I sold two jukes in the Atlanta Ga area in early December. One was a cheaper machine, one was a fairly high dollar collectible model. Machine # 1 was a '72 Wurlitzer 7500 that had been 100% gone over, mechanically & electronically, had all new speaker drivers installed,a magnetic cartridge conversion,(wonderful sound quality--operationally perfect) and included a rackful of 100 records. The cabinet was refinished in a tasteful glossy maple stain, to cover up the little nicks, dings, cigarette burns etc from it's life in a bar somewhere. I'd call it a nice Grade 2 machine. Machine # 2 was a '61 RockOla 1495 Regis, which I'd call a nice Grade 2 machine. The electronics had been rebuilt,including 4 new 6973 tubes, new speakers, the mechanics,motors etc were gone over, with the exception of the pinbank being rebuilt. It had a few selections at the bottom of the pinbank that occasionally didn't fire. I wanted to make the sale in time for the Christmas holidays---taking the time to pull and rebuild the pinbank would have taken too long. The original exterior was in nicely-preserved condition,but wasn't museum-quality perfect. Typical user dings and scratches in the chrome. All interior trim , the turntable dress cap etc were in place. The coin rejector was not with the unit. I made the prospective owner aware of the pinbank problem. I sell machines carrying a 6 month warranty. Listed both machines on the local Craigslist. Found an intown buyer for the W7500 that way. Was originally asking $800 for the W7500 credenza model machine. I settled on a $750 sell price and agreed to type up a set of titlestrips for the new owner. From Craigslist, I had two inquiries that made ridiculous low-ball offers on the RO machine. Decided to to list the RockOla on EBay as an auction item for exposure to a bigger audience. High bid of $2,200 came from a local buyer (!), who hadn't seen the Craigslist posting. The buyers for the machines were the owner of a collection agency and a mortgage foreclosure attorney. (Recession, what recession--business is great!!--- they both said) I guess it depends upon your point of view. I've been trying to sell a nice complete '76 Seeburg STD-3 Sunstar for quite awhile now--can't attract a buyer.People look, listen to it--they say "that's nice", and then they walk away. Machine's tormat unit, amp,sequencer and mech have been rebuilt for great sound and perfect operation. All new lamps (60?) in the front panel sequential light show . Unit has only 39,000 plays on the meter. Cabinet and glass is nice, but has typical dents scratches etc from early comm'l use. Asking $800, which includes a rack ful of records (music preference of the buyer.) Any advice anyone cares to offer is appreciated. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=4OZqTpkJ2BJdp_x_r6QnaAAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From steve at pro-ns.net Fri Jan 8 21:00:51 2010 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Fri Jan 8 21:02:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? In-Reply-To: <1DB9D3B29AEB4A6E97D22F7B4700CA53@dirksen> References: <20100109000047.GF24321@pro-ns.net> <1DB9D3B29AEB4A6E97D22F7B4700CA53@dirksen> Message-ID: <20100109050051.GN1383@pro-ns.net> Jim, I think I finally get what you are saying, at least partially (insert sound of palm hitting forhead, and "Doh!"): Bending the cartrdige bracket could likely be done to correct the angle between the cartridge and the record. I don't know why I didn't think of that at the time. Maybe I was worried about popping the bracket off the cartridge body (looks like a small dot spot-weld)? No, I think this solution just plain didn't occur to me! I think you're right, if you did that the rest of the "geometry" should all work fine. It doesn't seem any more destructive than what I had to do to the M44. I probably won't try it myself, because the M44 is working just fine for me, and the 500MkII is sitting in a box, waiting for whatever application I find for it. Although curiosity may just get to me. :-) For someone else who doesn't already have their cartridge problem solved, I think this has a good chance of working, and the cost difference certainly makes it worth a try! The only part I'm not sure I'm getting: Are you saying yours fit correctly without bending the bracket? If so, I wonder why yours did and mine didn't... There's a picture of exactly what I used at http://www.hollywooddj.com/st500emkii.html (click on the little picture to see a big version). I'm betting yours doesn't differ much from it. (And yes, the F manual doesn't say to use that rear screw to adjust the cartridge angle. It also doesn't say how to mount a cartridge other than the GE, and the design really makes no provision for a cartridge of differing dimensions. I was improvising, and as you say, it reduced the amount of lift, so it wasn't an acceptable solution.) --> Steve On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 10:04:53PM -0500, The Dirksen Family wrote: > I didn't touch the rear screw (over the post). When in the play position, > this screw should be adjusted so that the underside of the tonearm just > barely clears the cam (so the tonearm rotates freely). I don't have the F > manual, but I'll bet my paycheck it doesn't say to use that screw to > adjust cartridge angle. If you raised the tonearm here, you reduced the > amount of lift done by the cam. I simply adjusted the needle height > screw, which brings the front end of the tonearm up to clear the gripper > arm. > > This is why I asked if there is a difference between the two cartridges. > My Pickering bolted right in and is angled down in front. The "stylus > shroud" clears fine. Bend your mounting tabs so the angle is right, and > lower the rear end of your tonearm. It should work just fine. Good luck, > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Wahl" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? > > >> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 05:24:55PM -0500, The Dirksen Family wrote: >>> Something bothers me about this - I've got a Pickering NP/AC on my I200 >>> and have no problems clearing the gripper arm or tracking records. I did >>> have to raise the front end of the tonearm since the cartridge sits lower >>> than the original, but that is a two minute adjustment. Are you sure your >>> metal mounting tabs aren't bent, causing the wrong angle? I'll bet you >>> could bend them with needle nose pliers in a jiffy to get the right >>> angle.Or is the Pickering mounting different than the Stanton (I've not >>> seen that one)? >> >> Jim, >> >> I know my cartridge bracket wasn't bent, and it sounds like the >> pickering and stanton are the same thing. >> >> Keeping in mind that things may have changed between the F120, which I >> have, and the I200 (which I don't)... >> >> When you say you had to "raise the front end of the tonearm since the >> cartridge sits lower," did you mean you had to raise the *back* of the >> tone arm to match the increase in height of the front of the tone arm? >> I think that's what you meant, 'cause that's what makes sense. >> >> On the F, and I'm quite sure on at least the G models, the screw in >> the center of the tone arm post raises the rear end of the tone arm in >> playing position, BUT you end up reducing the lift in record-changing >> position by more or less the same amount you raised it for playing >> position. >> >> I found if I raised the rear high enough to make the "stylus shroud" >> bottom parallel to the record in playing position, then the cartridge >> did not lift up high enough in record changing position, and hit >> *something* on its way to returning to the right. I'm not 100% sure >> it was the record arm at this point. >> >> It's kind of a long story that I've written up on this list before. >> Ah, I found it: >> >> There are two adjustments available as far as I could tell. The >> one at the rear of the tonearm affects the height of the rear of >> the tonearm when playing. The one at the front controls how high >> the rear of the tonearm goes before lifting the arm off the >> record. Unfortunately, the rear adjustment only affects the rear >> height while playing; it doesn't change the final height of the >> tonearm as it's lifted off while rejecting / changing records. >> >> Does that match how the I200 works? It's entirely possible (not sure >> how likely) that they redesigned the tone arm positioning, possibly >> for the 200 mech. That would explain some of the differences in >> opinion on the list, if we're comparing apples and oranges. >> >> Here's the comment I made one of the previous times this came up: >> >> http://jukebox.markmail.org/message/54up5amr7csanlsy?q=AMI+G200+Cartridge&page=2 >> >> Wow, that was back in 2005! Time flies... >> >> --> Steve >> -- >> Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net >> >> Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. >> -- Henry Spencer >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.131/2608 - Release Date: > 01/08/10 14:35:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net There are only 10 kinds of people in this world... those who understand binary and those who don't. -- Unknown From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Jan 8 22:38:05 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Jan 8 22:39:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Message-ID: Jim, As for your Seeburg, it's a low appeal machine in a crappy economy. They always appeared overly massive to me and people either like the styling, or hate it. Personally, I liked them. They were solidly built and sounded great. As for videos on craigslist, you don't have to rely on their tiny photos. Anyone with an online storage account, like Photobucket, and who can copy the HTML tags provided on such sites, and on youtube, can add full sized pictures or video to their postings. Look to the right of most Youtube videos and there will be a couple sets of 'tags' that can be copied, one is "Embed' and you can embed a video on your site or message board... or a craigslist ad, by simply copying and pasting the text. It takes literally a few seconds. The HTML code links to wherever the image or video is stored on line and displays it right there. Another reason it's be nice to move this to a message board. I met a 62 year old last weekend who had no idea how to save pictures on his computer. He prints out everything. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From pat2355 at aol.com Fri Jan 8 23:25:38 2010 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 8 23:27:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC5F1413612143-614-9D6B@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com> Kyle, Nice to see you posting again. BUT don't knock us aged folk, retirement is the best thing to do in this economy. On this self sustaining stuff am I supposed to be selling my stuff ??? In this economy ??? Thank GOD for "defined benefit" retirements and anyone who disparages unions can work weekends. BTW I didn't understand posting videos, but I save pic I don't really want to save. HAHAHAHAHA RETIRED EX-postman Pat -----Original Message----- From: Mechanical Music of S.F. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 10:38 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Jim, As for your Seeburg, it's a low appeal machine in a crappy economy. They always appeared overly massive to me and people either like the styling, or hate it. Personally, I liked them. They were solidly built and sounded great. As for videos on craigslist, you don't have to rely on their tiny photos. Anyone with an online storage account, like Photobucket, and who can copy the HTML tags provided on such sites, and on youtube, can add full sized pictures or video to their postings. Look to the right of most Youtube videos and there will be a couple sets of 'tags' that can be copied, one is "Embed' and you can embed a video on your site or message board... or a craigslist ad, by simply copying and pasting the text. It takes literally a few seconds. The HTML code links to wherever the image or video is stored on line and displays it right there. Another reason it's be nice to move this to a message board. I met a 62 year old last weekend who had no idea how to save pictures on his computer. He prints out everything. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Jan 9 05:05:21 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sat Jan 9 05:07:10 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] selling update Message-ID: <80ADA25D-DFE7-4267-A263-6DD2860E15A8@verizon.net> Good Morning, after receiving a few responses on the 1650, it was suggested by Kyle to up the price a few hundred, which I did. I think that was very wise, as I still have received 2 responses at the new, higher price. Thanks Kyle, you made a very good point, no one wants to just give it away, especially when there is some emotional attachment to it, although I try not to do too much of that when it comes to material things. Great example....we were woken this morning at 5 am by our Daughter visiting from Seattle...who was out with friends at a Diner and her friend fell asleep at the wheel (she was driving alone) and took out a box and electrical pole...she is 20 and in the hospital, she will survive, but her face is really messed up. Now, that's something to be attached to!!! Sorry for veering a little off topic, but seemed fitting to include a reminder of what is really important to us all, and that would be each other. I am in no hurry to sell the 1650 and to be honest if the market doesn't support my price then I will keep it. All the suggestions on selling are spot on, again thanks very much! I am picking up the AMI the last weekend of this month....YEAH! Jackie From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Jan 9 05:17:21 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Jan 9 05:19:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox sale. Message-ID: <004e01ca912e$1403d8c0$3c0b8a40$@net> For those of you in the Leanon, PA area, Lloyd @ coinopwarehouse is having a huge sale thru today. Here is his posting from another list. We purchased the contents of the former PA Gameroom Warehouse earlier this week, and do not want to move the machines that are in the building. There are a couple of hundred video games and over 200 jukeboxes priced at $50 each or less. There are a fair number of pinball machines and bingos also. Address is 520 Lehman Street, Lebanon, Pennsylvania. Time is 11 am to at least 2 pm. Parking is difficult but park nearby and when you are ready to load we have a loading zone. Cell is 703-801-1459 if weather is bad and you want to confirm that we are going to be there. Thanks! Lloyd Wonder what $50 could get you? Good luck. Have fun. Rich From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Jan 9 06:05:05 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sat Jan 9 06:06:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox sale. In-Reply-To: <004e01ca912e$1403d8c0$3c0b8a40$@net> References: <004e01ca912e$1403d8c0$3c0b8a40$@net> Message-ID: <84D0B351-A6D9-4D26-99D4-C0DE7BCE3A94@verizon.net> Rich, OH MY ! PA is soooooo close to me, lol......that would be so cool just to spend the day looking and not buying anything Jackie On Jan 9, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > For those of you in the Leanon, PA area, Lloyd @ coinopwarehouse is having > a huge sale thru today. Here is his posting from another list. > > > > We purchased the contents of the former PA Gameroom Warehouse earlier > this week, and do not want to move the machines that are in > the building. There are a couple of hundred video games and over 200 > jukeboxes priced at $50 each or less. There are a fair number of > pinball machines and bingos also. > > Address is 520 Lehman Street, Lebanon, Pennsylvania. Time is 11 am to > at least 2 pm. Parking is difficult but park nearby and when you are > ready to load we have a loading zone. > > Cell is 703-801-1459 if weather is bad and you want to confirm that we > are going to be there. Thanks! Lloyd > > > > Wonder what $50 could get you? Good luck. Have fun. > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jan 9 06:21:55 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jan 9 06:24:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? Message-ID: <20100109.092155.8417.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Not sure if this is an opinion you want to hear, but there is very little difference in the sound character and output of the Stanton 400V3, 500AL versus the Shure M44 cartridges. The Pickering NP/AC cartridge seems to have slightly higher output and has a brighter sounding high-freq response than the others. If you have made minor mods to your AMI tone arm to make one or the other of these pickups fit at the correct mounting height, it is not worth the effort to convert to the other. If you're concerned about availability, Stanton has their 400, 500 and other cartridges in current manufacture. Detailed specs can be found at their website www.stantonmagnetics.com. Shure has officially announced mfg discontinuance of their phono cartridge line (www.shure.com) but there still seems to be an abundance of their M44 and DJ phono cartridges/stylii available. BTW, another rugged .7 mil conical stylus assy is available for the M44 cartridge, called the N44G. This is primarily marketed to DJ's that are into scratch mixing, etc. It would appear that the N44G would fit jukebox applications well. The various Shure stylii are all different colors but will plug into the M44 cartridge body. On their site, the N44C,(heavy-duty shank stylus, tracks 3 to 5 g) N44G, N44-7 (,7 mil conical lightweight, tracks .75 to 1.5 g) N-44E (elliptical tip, .75 to 1.5 g) and 78 RPM stylii are all available. Stanton has a similar needle lineup for most of their cartridges as well. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=CctH9H-ud1JZklFgxAZVewAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jan 9 06:31:47 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jan 9 06:33:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Message-ID: <20100109.093147.8417.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Yep, same scenario here. Bought the nonworking,but nice STD3 several years ago. Unfortunately, if the electronics need to be rebuilt in one of these microlog-tormat jukes, you need to re-hab it all the way for correct operation. Up until fairly recently there was a certain demand for 70's-80's Seeburgs, RockOlas, etc. Folks that wanted a juke for either a home family or rec room. That market is largely gone. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=2P4-J591dNAWJJKZwWaaQQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Jan 9 06:37:29 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Jan 9 06:39:22 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01ca9139$45b406f0$d11c14d0$@force9.co.uk> Hi Kyle, Can you convert a 1mv output Stanton 500Al to a 9.5mv output NP/AC by simply changing the stylus then ? Regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: 08 January 2010 21:52 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? Steve, The St' 500 and the Pickering NP/AC are literally exactly the same inside and out. The stylus assemblies look different, but the cartridges are 100% identical. Sometimes painted or not, but the same none-the-less. People will be surprised to know that the stiffness and thickness of the cantilever and mounting can affect the output. It's most likely there where the voltage outputs differ in their specs. The NP/AC probabaly simply comes with the beefier stylus assembly. For example, for DJs, you can increase the output of the venerable and well loved 680 EL to that of the 680 HP by a simple change of stylus. Use the HP stylus assembly in your existing 680 cartridge. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jan 9 07:01:15 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jan 9 07:04:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? Message-ID: <20100109.100115.8417.3@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Nigel: The stylii assembly contain the moving magnets that operate the cartridge's energy conversion. Yes, in general you can obtain more output from a cartridge by plugging in a stiffer stylus assembly. In general, the most compliant, lightweight audio phile stylii have smaller magnets attached. Something I've seen done by accident--- The Stanton 500A "white" stylii can be plugged into an Pickering NP-AC cartridge body and it works reasonably well. I imagine you could take the Pickering needle and plug it into the older-style Stanton 500 cartridge as well. I'm not sure where you are getting the info that the Stanton 400 or 500 cartridge has a low 1 mv. output. The product specs on their site show that the cartridge has 9.5 mv output when using the conical stylus. With the more compliant choices available for this product, the output drops to about half. In just measuring the electrical specs, the Shure M44 and Stanton 400/500 carts are almost neck-and-neck. All specs are shown at the factory website www.stantonmagnetics.com You can find he Shure specs at www.shure.com, but you need to open the discontinued products file to find the M44. I'm sorry I can't link to this for you, when I have this page open, for some reason I lose access to my PC's task bar. Jim A. ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=9eXFEy2KkElRZusMIRH5ZgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Sat Jan 9 07:16:28 2010 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Sat Jan 9 07:18:12 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? In-Reply-To: <20100109.100115.8417.3@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100109.100115.8417.3@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <500214.65371.qm@web86707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> It must be 15 years since I first used a Stanton 500 and I don't remember the output being that low. I've still got one of these old Stantons in my Continental. Another thing, Jim - I've been over to shure.com to see what they had to say about discontinuing the phono cartridge line and I cannot see any indication of this other than the model M25 is being discontinued. Strange! Norman. ________________________________ From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Saturday, 9 January, 2010 15:01:15 Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? Nigel: The stylii assembly contain the moving magnets that operate the cartridge's energy conversion. Yes, in general you can obtain more output from a cartridge by plugging in a stiffer stylus assembly. In general, the most compliant, lightweight audio phile stylii have smaller magnets attached. Something I've seen done by accident--- The Stanton 500A "white" stylii can be plugged into an Pickering NP-AC cartridge body and it works reasonably well. I imagine you could take the Pickering needle and plug it into the older-style Stanton 500 cartridge as well. I'm not sure where you are getting the info that the Stanton 400 or 500 cartridge has a low 1 mv. output. The product specs on their site show that the cartridge has 9.5 mv output when using the conical stylus. With the more compliant choices available for this product, the output drops to about half. In just measuring the electrical specs, the Shure M44 and Stanton 400/500 carts are almost neck-and-neck. All specs are shown at the factory website www.stantonmagnetics.com You can find he Shure specs at www.shure.com, but you need to open the discontinued products file to find the M44. I'm sorry I can't link to this for you, when I have this page open, for some reason I lose access to my PC's task bar. Jim A. ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=9eXFEy2KkElRZusMIRH5ZgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Jan 9 08:52:25 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Jan 9 08:54:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? In-Reply-To: <20100109.100115.8417.3@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100109.100115.8417.3@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <002701ca914c$1ef2efa0$5cd8cee0$@force9.co.uk> Hi Jim, I've got 100's of cartridges and used to install the S500 in disco gear in the 80's. I have an original one here in its box, with the installation sheet and it says 'Output 1.0mv +- 2db' so they definitely were 1.0mv in the early 80's. I know there is an output variation down to styli, as often the genuine styli produce far higher output than the cheaper copied ones (even for the identical cartridge). There is a good website called cartridgedb.com that contains many of the specs. Once, I was on site doing a Seeburg Matador repair and the yellow Pickering had broken. So I had a Stanton 500 white stylus and with a small hacksaw blade cut the plastic down and fitted it into the 345-03D. The shank diameter was identical and the thing worked perfectly - probably given that Pickering and Stanton shared the same dimensions etc.. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 09 January 2010 15:01 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? Nigel: The stylii assembly contain the moving magnets that operate the cartridge's energy conversion. Yes, in general you can obtain more output from a cartridge by plugging in a stiffer stylus assembly. In general, the most compliant, lightweight audio phile stylii have smaller magnets attached. Something I've seen done by accident--- The Stanton 500A "white" stylii can be plugged into an Pickering NP-AC cartridge body and it works reasonably well. I imagine you could take the Pickering needle and plug it into the older-style Stanton 500 cartridge as well. I'm not sure where you are getting the info that the Stanton 400 or 500 cartridge has a low 1 mv. output. The product specs on their site show that the cartridge has 9.5 mv output when using the conical stylus. With the more compliant choices available for this product, the output drops to about half. In just measuring the electrical specs, the Shure M44 and Stanton 400/500 carts are almost neck-and-neck. All specs are shown at the factory website www.stantonmagnetics.com You can find he Shure specs at www.shure.com, but you need to open the discontinued products file to find the M44. I'm sorry I can't link to this for you, when I have this page open, for some reason I lose access to my PC's task bar. Jim A. ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=9eXFEy2KkElRZusMIRH5ZgAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From emomorella at comcast.net Fri Jan 8 12:31:17 2010 From: emomorella at comcast.net (Ed Momorella) Date: Sat Jan 9 10:21:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg repair in yardly, pa Message-ID: <20100108204112.8456EAAB9D@lists.netlojix.com> Hi Justin: I have a Seeburg 1962 model that I would like to have serviced and repaired. It was working well up till a couple of years ago and I have just let it sit in the living room since. Do you know of anyone in the Hatboro, or Willow Grove, PA area that could do the work? Thanks Ed Momorella Emomorella@comcast.net From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Jan 9 10:46:39 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sat Jan 9 10:48:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg repair in yardly, pa In-Reply-To: <20100108204112.8456EAAB9D@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20100108204112.8456EAAB9D@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: check with Jukebox Mel.....jukeboxmel@verizon.com On Jan 8, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Ed Momorella wrote: > Hi Justin: > > > > > > I have a Seeburg 1962 model that I would like to > have serviced and repaired. It was working well up till a couple of years > ago and I have just let it sit in the living room since. > > Do you know of anyone in the Hatboro, or Willow Grove, PA area that could do > the work? > > Thanks > > > > Ed Momorella > > Emomorella@comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jan 9 10:53:35 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jan 9 10:56:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Re: Annoudder "Whut" ? Message-ID: <20100109.135335.25872.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Hello Nigel: I only looked at the recent specs for the Stanton 400V3 that has replaced the 500 on their website since the subject of cartridge output levels came up. In practice, I've used both the Shure M44's and the Stanton 500AL (usually the gold color cartridge body of the 90's) and they both seemed to have similar output levels. The Shure cartridge was slightly more pronounced in the bass frequencies. It's my understanding that the last Pickering stereo cartridge for Seeburg was electrically equal to their NP-AC model. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=iRW2K_wKuN1F_0yBSQpY8QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 11:27:10 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 9 11:28:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox sale. In-Reply-To: <84D0B351-A6D9-4D26-99D4-C0DE7BCE3A94@verizon.net> Message-ID: <819835.52482.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, THAT will happen, only if your husband puts handcuffs on you !! Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox sale. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 6:05 AM Rich, OH MY !? PA is soooooo close to me, lol......that would be so cool just to spend the day looking and not buying anything Jackie On Jan 9, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > For those of you in the Leanon, PA area,???Lloyd @ coinopwarehouse is having > a huge sale thru today.? Here is his posting from another list. > > > > We purchased the contents of the former PA Gameroom Warehouse earlier > this week, and do not want to move the machines that are in > the building.? There are a couple of hundred video games and over 200 > jukeboxes priced at $50 each or less.? There are a fair number of > pinball machines and bingos also. > > Address is 520 Lehman Street, Lebanon, Pennsylvania.? Time is 11 am to > at least 2 pm.? Parking is difficult but park nearby and when you are > ready to load we have a loading zone. > > Cell is 703-801-1459 if weather is bad and you want to confirm that we > are going to be there.? Thanks!? Lloyd > > > > Wonder what $50 could get you?? Good luck.? Have fun. > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 12:05:11 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jan 9 12:06:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Credit Accumulator Message-ID: <910062.8460.qm@web112104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Since this topic has come up a couple times in the last year, I finally put up pictures of the credit accumulator in my G-200. There's no mention of it in the manual reprint that I have, but it looks like it was installed at the factory. If anyone has any additional information about this, please let me know. Thanks! http://tildebang.com/jukebox/ami-g200.html David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 12:12:46 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 9 12:14:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Credit Accumulator In-Reply-To: <910062.8460.qm@web112104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <242284.12012.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, That looks very much like the H-I set-up DCU and was covered in that manual --going from my great--but not too long memory---? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/9/10, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Credit Accumulator To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 12:05 PM Since this topic has come up a couple times in the last year, I finally put up pictures of the credit accumulator in my G-200.? There's no mention of it in the manual reprint that I have, but it looks like it was installed at the factory.? If anyone has any additional information about this, please let me know.? Thanks! http://tildebang.com/jukebox/ami-g200.html David Breneman? ? ? ???david_breneman@yahoo.com ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 12:13:18 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jan 9 12:14:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: <20100109.093147.8417.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <10081.98412.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 1/9/10, James Alexander wrote: > Up until fairly recently there was a > certain demand for 70's-80's Seeburgs, RockOlas, etc. > Folks that wanted a juke for either a home family or > rec room. That market is largely gone. I've always wanted a Seeburg "Entertainer" STD2. Why? Because that was the hot *new* jukebox at the time I got my first machine, the M100-A my parents bought me for Christmas when I was in high school. (They paid $35 for it! All they knew was that I wanted "an old jukebox" to work on; they made a pretty good pick.) If I could get an STD2 now for $35, that would close the loop so to speak, wouldn't it? From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Jan 9 12:13:30 2010 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Jan 9 12:15:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just bought a High Fidelity Wurlitzer 600, you gotta see this! Message-ID: <604C1941F1BC4F64B32EF1B28B40F097@VistaServer> Well, I just brought home a really nice Wurlitzer 600, cabinet was stripped to be re-strained, All of the catalin is in excellent shape, someone converted the jukebox to 45, you gotta see how they accomplished this (I left out the pics of the stereo amp). I just had to share these pictures before I return the motor to it's rightful place.... All of this fun for only $300.00 whattadeal! Does anyone on the list have an original 600 speaker and mount? also the shell for the cashbox? 45rpm belt drive conversion! Custom Linkage! http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0542.jpg Better angle of the worp drive mechanics! http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0543.jpg Upside down motor http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0545.jpg Oil drip pan or motor mount, I'm confused!! http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0546.jpg Treat those records to a delicate styli! http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0548.jpg High Fidelity anyone?? http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0549.jpg Hope you enjoy! Mel From aaron at vertasource.com Sat Jan 9 12:25:30 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Sat Jan 9 12:27:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just bought a High Fidelity Wurlitzer 600, you gotta see this! In-Reply-To: <604C1941F1BC4F64B32EF1B28B40F097@VistaServer> References: <604C1941F1BC4F64B32EF1B28B40F097@VistaServer> Message-ID: Actually, Mel... the pictures of the motor and the mount looks about right. I restored a 600 about 6 or 7 years ago and it seems to me that the motor WAS mounted on some type of spring board. This is human re-muddling at its best. The drive system is like combining 40s Rock-Ola with 40s Wurlitzer. Are you going to put it back on 78? Aaron On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Mel Knight wrote: > Well, I just brought home a really nice Wurlitzer 600, cabinet was stripped > to be re-strained, > All of the catalin is in excellent shape, someone converted the jukebox to > 45, you gotta see > how they accomplished this (I left out the pics of the stereo amp). I just > had to share these pictures > before I return the motor to it's rightful place.... All of this fun for > only $300.00 whattadeal! > Does anyone on the list have an original 600 speaker and mount? also the > shell for the cashbox? > > 45rpm belt drive conversion! Custom Linkage! > http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0542.jpg > > Better angle of the worp drive mechanics! > http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0543.jpg > > Upside down motor > http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0545.jpg > > Oil drip pan or motor mount, I'm confused!! > http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0546.jpg > > Treat those records to a delicate styli! > http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0548.jpg > > High Fidelity anyone?? > http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0549.jpg > > Hope you enjoy! > Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From ianzap at hotmail.com Sat Jan 9 12:52:28 2010 From: ianzap at hotmail.com (Ian Zapczynski) Date: Sat Jan 9 12:59:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg repair in yardly, pa In-Reply-To: <20100109200005.708D9AB022@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20100109200005.708D9AB022@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Ed, A guy named Warren Doyle is right around your area. At least he was in Doylestown a few years ago when I bought an MM-1 from him. If jukeboxmel can't help you, feel free to email me at ianzap@hotmail.com and I'll give you his info along with info you'll want to have about my experiences with him. Unfortunately it's really tough to find jukebox repairmen in our area, and he's the only one I've found so far. -Ian > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:31:17 -0500 > From: "Ed Momorella" > Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg repair in yardly, pa > To: > Message-ID: <20100108204112.8456EAAB9D@lists.netlojix.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Justin: > > I have a Seeburg 1962 model that I would like to > have serviced and repaired. It was working well up till a couple of years > ago and I have just let it sit in the living room since. > > Do you know of anyone in the Hatboro, or Willow Grove, PA area that could do > the work? > > Thanks > > > > Ed Momorella > > Emomorella@comcast.net _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 13:07:44 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 9 13:09:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just bought a High Fidelity Wurlitzer 600, you gotta see this! In-Reply-To: <604C1941F1BC4F64B32EF1B28B40F097@VistaServer> Message-ID: <529062.73655.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mel, It's not "Hi-Fi" my Seeburg M100B is "Hi-Fi"--? it says so, silk screened right on the glass ! (Oh, on the cartridge sticker too !)? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Mel Knight wrote: From: Mel Knight Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just bought a High Fidelity Wurlitzer 600, you gotta see this! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 12:13 PM Well, I just brought home a really nice Wurlitzer 600, cabinet was stripped to be re-strained, All of the catalin is in excellent shape, someone converted the jukebox to 45, you gotta see how they accomplished this (I left out the pics of the stereo amp). I just had to share these pictures before I return the motor to it's rightful place.... All of this fun for only $300.00 whattadeal! Does anyone on the list have an original 600 speaker and mount? also the shell for the cashbox? 45rpm belt drive conversion! Custom Linkage! http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0542.jpg Better angle of the worp drive mechanics! http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0543.jpg Upside down motor http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0545.jpg Oil drip pan or motor mount, I'm confused!! http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0546.jpg Treat those records to a delicate styli! http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0548.jpg High Fidelity anyone?? http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0549.jpg Hope you enjoy! ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Jan 9 13:23:40 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 9 13:25:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby In-Reply-To: <10081.98412.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC5F8925DB456F-3538-F24F@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com> Rich just alerted me to a nearby Starlet on Craigslist. Sixty bucks. Five years ago I sold mine on Ebay for $500+. Those were the days. -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby --- On Sat, 1/9/10, James Alexander wrote: > Up until fairly recently there was a > certain demand for 70's-80's Seeburgs, RockOlas, etc. > Folks that wanted a juke for either a home family or > rec room. That market is largely gone. I've always wanted a Seeburg "Entertainer" STD2. Why? Because that was the hot *new* jukebox at the time I got my first machine, the M100-A my parents bought me for Christmas when I was in high school. (They paid $35 for it! All they knew was that I wanted "an old jukebox" to work on; they made a pretty good pick.) If I could get an STD2 now for $35, that would close the loop so to speak, wouldn't it? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Jan 9 12:36:36 2010 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Jan 9 13:39:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Credit Accumulator Message-ID: Hey David! I have a customer with that same setup in their jukebox. It was a factory upgrade Bulletin #125 June 25, 1956 I pulled the pages out of my factory manual and scanned them for you! If these are not clear enough, Email me and I'll mail them to you snail mail! Mel http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/G200-1.jpg http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/G200-2.jpg From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jan 9 13:42:14 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jan 9 13:46:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby Message-ID: <20100109.164214.28374.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Hello Dave: The 1975 Seeburg STD2 Entertainer was the "movie marquis" jukebox that had the mirrorred lighting effects. Nice looking machine with a great sound system. Sign of the times? I mentioned before that I have a one model newer fully rehabbed 1976 STD3 Sunstar that I can't sell for love or money right now. The STD3 has the light show, same sound system as the STD2 and looks like a vertical roulette wheel. Right now, if you look carefully you can probably find an STD2 selling for $35. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=kTrassMlmsYkKoV2n3KzTwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 9 13:48:18 2010 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Sat Jan 9 13:49:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Credit Accumulator References: <910062.8460.qm@web112104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <85025A8C7067408E854843912B8A366C@dirksen> David - I recently sold a G-200 with the exact same set-up. Mine had a cover though, and appeared to be the same unit as in the H or I series, but I did not study it that closely. Have you checked the serial number of your machine to see if it's very late in production? I agree it appears to be factory, especially since the selector casting has core outs for the credit lights. Sorry, but I don't have that manual and have not seen any factory documentation either. Interesting to see changes like this. Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 3:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Credit Accumulator > > Since this topic has come up a couple times in the > last year, I finally put up pictures of the credit > accumulator in my G-200. There's no mention of it > in the manual reprint that I have, but it looks like > it was installed at the factory. If anyone has > any additional information about this, please let > me know. Thanks! > > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/ami-g200.html > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.131/2609 - Release Date: 01/09/10 02:35:00 From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Jan 9 13:03:13 2010 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Jan 9 14:06:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just bought a High Fidelity Wurlitzer 600, you gotta see this! Message-ID: Hey Aaron! Yes, she's now back on 78rpm. I knew about the board for the motor, however, the motor was turned 180 degrees around and flipped upside down. I guess they did this before gear sets were available to them??? I actually tried the machine and destroyed a copy of the twist, at exactly 45rpm!! Mel From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jan 9 14:06:30 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jan 9 14:10:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg repair in yardly, pa Message-ID: <20100109.170630.28374.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Hello, Ed: These are names of independent service technicians that are willing to make house calls for jukeboxes in the state of Pennsylvania. I'm aware of others here on the juke-list may be recommending someone in your area. I'm reprinting these names for you from a master list in Jukebox Collector magazine in case you don't find anybody else that's helpful. I'm not sure where Hadley,PA is located so I'm printing all the listings in the state: Evans Amusements, PH 814 623 5457 in Everett, Pa. Randy Bordas, PH 814 342 3117 in Phillipsburg, Pa. Pokos Coin Op Repair PH 412 766 5137 in Pittsburg, Pa. Anthony Molettiere PH 215- 723 7459 in Souderton, Pa willing to travel. Hope one of the names here, or others suggested on this list can help you. It's helpful for a service tech if you can have the model number of your jukebox. It is lised on the back panel on a name plate. If you have a 1962 Seeburg, it is probably a model DS100 or DS160, depending on the num,ber of selections. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Z-5D65sOuG4uO2lu7WlWhwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 14:22:39 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jan 9 14:24:18 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Credit Accumulator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <960576.35718.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Mel Knight wrote: > I have a customer > with that same setup in their jukebox. It was a factory > upgrade > Bulletin #125 June 25, 1956 I pulled the pages out of my > factory manual and scanned them for you! Thanks for the info, Mel! Mine does not have the "metal plates... which are deflected by the ends of the pushbutton shafts..." so if it ever had dual pricing it doesn't now. I always wondered why there was a leaf switch back there that nothing activated! :-) From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 14:46:32 2010 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sat Jan 9 14:48:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just bought a High Fidelity Wurlitzer 600, you gotta see this! In-Reply-To: <529062.73655.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <814447.27704.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mel, We bought a 750 Wurlitzer years ago in Lousiana. It had served some of its time in Mexico. It had nice original plastics or I would not have fooled with it. I think it was $400 or $500. We still have it but it took a cabinet maker to repair the portions chewed off by a dog, I suppose. It was yellow, red, purple and gray. I thought the most interesting thing was the rubber bushings at each end of the motor. They had fallen apart but someone had sewn the pieces back together. The homemade coin gear was something else too. I wish I had some pictures. It is now a very decent machine with all coin gear, a beautiful cabinet and a rebuilt mechanism. I don't think anything beats your 600 drive system! David (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just bought a High Fidelity Wurlitzer 600, you gotta see this! > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 2:07 PM > Mel, > It's not "Hi-Fi" my Seeburg M100B is "Hi-Fi"--? it says > so, silk screened right on the glass ! (Oh, on the cartridge > sticker too !)? Ron Rich > > > --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Mel Knight > wrote: > > From: Mel Knight > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just bought a High Fidelity > Wurlitzer 600, you gotta see this! > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 12:13 PM > > Well, I just brought home a really nice Wurlitzer 600, > cabinet was stripped to be re-strained, > All of the catalin is in excellent shape, someone converted > the jukebox to 45, you gotta see > how they accomplished this (I left out the pics of the > stereo amp). I just had to share these pictures > before I return the motor to it's rightful place.... All of > this fun for only $300.00 whattadeal! > Does anyone on the list have an original 600 speaker and > mount? also the shell for the cashbox? > > 45rpm belt drive conversion! Custom Linkage! > http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0542.jpg > > Better angle of the worp drive mechanics! > http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0543.jpg > > Upside down motor > http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0545.jpg > > Oil drip pan or motor mount, I'm confused!! > http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0546.jpg > > Treat those records to a delicate styli! > http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0548.jpg > > High Fidelity anyone?? > http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae286/jukeboxmel/100_0549.jpg > > Hope you enjoy! > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From pinplayers at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 17:10:52 2010 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Sat Jan 9 17:12:30 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more Message-ID: <8cf1842e1001091710r4b251b9ci940cc1f735e1f8ff@mail.gmail.com> I wanted to post an update to the issue I was having with an amp that I had rebuilt but continued to experience low volume. Well it turned out to be a bad output transformer. After the transformer was replaced it sounds great with plenty of volume. Glad that part is over. Now onto my next problem the pinbank. As suggested I sent the pinbank out to be cleaned and serviced. When I sent it out 3 out of the 5 bank sections would not select. When I got it back I thought I had tested all letter groupings but later that night I noticed the K&L group was not selecting. Then today I go out open up the pinbank to see if there something obvious like a broken wire from shipping or something like that. Didn't find anything so I run through testing each letter group. Now not only does K&L not work but C&D are not working. Any ideas on what would cause this behaviour? I haven't contacted the place I sent it to as yet because I thought is was working when I got it back just 2 days ago. Thanks Don. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 17:26:45 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 9 17:28:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e1001091710r4b251b9ci940cc1f735e1f8ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <176338.55245.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Don, If it's been one correctly, the only thing that could be giving you a problem is the plug. Un plug it and re-plug it several times, then try it. If it still has the same problems, try plugging in directly to the keyboard plug--if it's still the same, either you have problems within the unit, or the keyboard ladder switches. Check the one ohm resistor on the CCU also. It must NOT be jumper-ed !? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Donald Whiting wrote: From: Donald Whiting Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 5:10 PM I wanted to post an update to the issue I was having with an amp that I had rebuilt but continued to experience low volume. Well it turned out to be a bad output transformer. After the transformer was replaced it sounds great with plenty of volume. Glad that part is over. Now onto my next problem the pinbank. As suggested I sent the pinbank out to be cleaned and serviced. When I sent it out 3 out of the 5 bank sections would not select. When I got it back I thought I had tested all letter groupings but later that night I noticed the K&L group was not selecting. Then today I go out open up the pinbank to see if there something obvious like a broken wire from shipping or something like that. Didn't find anything so I run through testing each letter group. Now not only does K&L not work but C&D are not working. Any ideas on what would cause this behaviour? I haven't contacted the place I sent it to as yet because I thought is was working when I got it back just 2 days ago. Thanks Don. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinplayers at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 18:23:08 2010 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Sat Jan 9 18:24:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more In-Reply-To: <176338.55245.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8cf1842e1001091710r4b251b9ci940cc1f735e1f8ff@mail.gmail.com> <176338.55245.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e1001091823m7c79eda3t6864edd02069f39e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the suggestions Ron I will give them a try tomorrow and post the results. I did replace the 1 ohm resistor when I recapped the CCU unit the original one had broken. Don. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Don, > If it's been one correctly, the only thing that could be giving you a > problem is the plug. Un plug it and re-plug it several times, then try it. > If it still has the same problems, try plugging in directly to the keyboard > plug--if it's still the same, either you have problems within the unit, or > the keyboard ladder switches. Check the one ohm resistor on the CCU also. It > must NOT be jumper-ed ! Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Donald Whiting wrote: > > From: Donald Whiting > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 5:10 PM > > I wanted to post an update to the issue I was having with an amp that I had > rebuilt but continued to experience low volume. Well it turned out to be a > bad output transformer. After the transformer was replaced it sounds great > with plenty of volume. Glad that part is over. Now onto my next problem the > pinbank. As suggested I sent the pinbank out to be cleaned and serviced. > When I sent it out 3 out of the 5 bank sections would not select. When I > got > it back I thought I had tested all letter groupings but later that night I > noticed the K&L group was not selecting. Then today I go out open up the > pinbank to see if there something obvious like a broken wire from shipping > or something like that. Didn't find anything so I run through testing each > letter group. Now not only does K&L not work but C&D are not working. Any > ideas on what would cause this behaviour? I haven't contacted the place I > sent it to as yet because I thought is was working when I got it back just > 2 > days ago. > > Thanks Don. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sat Jan 9 19:14:25 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sat Jan 9 19:16:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M110B. Pinbank advice and reject switch. Message-ID: OK, I just went to get a 100B running after the mechanism went to the end and stopped. Lubricated mechanism, adjust reversing switch, replace fuse. All good there. That couldn't be the end, though. Problems. Two minor and a bigger one: 1) Anyone have an end of record switch? This one's dead. (shorting it trips the cycle). 2) I had the frosted glass behind the title strips out so I could see the switchstacks clearly, and the owner managed to break it even though I put it under his pool table. Anyone have one cheap? Otherwise, I told him to measure it and have a piece of similar plastic cut. About $8 for that. 3) Here's the real problem: On the A sides only, in the 4 and 5 range, so in the center of the magazine, when the selection trips, the mechanism trips and then sticks, like the clutch isn't engaging. This does NOT happen nearer the ends of the magazine. BUT... If you manually giggle the mechanism back and forth on the track a little, it'll continue the cycle. Upon thinking, I need to check the record transfer arm, but I don't think it even gets to that point in the cycle. I also don't think it's a clutch lubrication issue. I tried adjusting the pinbank reader block thingy. There are marks on it and it's dead on at the ends, and off towards the middle. Manual is ordered as of this afternoon. Any suggestions? This jukebox is an hour drive away, so I need an arsenal of things to look for. In advance, thanks! Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Sat Jan 9 20:11:01 2010 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David G..) Date: Sat Jan 9 20:12:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Heads up on Craigslist late thirties early forties(?) Two Seeburgs. Message-ID: <1EBCB337F0384EDBA6C56D3B54BCDED3@DavidPC> Thought someone might be interested. In Hellertown, Pennsylvania. Not my stuff. No price listed, but hey you never know, maybe a deal. http://allentown.craigslist.org/atq/1545184712.html From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sat Jan 9 23:08:15 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sat Jan 9 23:09:47 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY160 SHFA4 Amplifier Message-ID: Background: Seeburg AY160, correct SHFA4 (Stereo High Fidelity Amplifier). Amplifier never recapped. Plays strong and clear. Looks to be all original. No obvious repairs. Issue: AVC (socket V109) is operated by a 6EU7 tube. I have three 6EU7s, two are tested NOS RCAs. If I put one in, the amplifier squeals, and the the squealing can be altered by the treble control. I've checked for any obvious physical shorts. There are none. Everything looks good. Any idea what I should check? I'm not sure I follow the schematic, but could probably check if given directions. The bear would be testing it powered out of the cabinet as it's powered by being mounted next to the Control Center. Otherwise the amplifier works fine and it'll run without this AVC tube installed, so not the end of the world. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 10 07:19:12 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 10 07:23:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY160 SHFA4 Amplifier Message-ID: <20100110.101912.19316.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Kyle: Here is a general answer to your amp question. Squealing (audible oscillations) are generally caused by a capacitor drifting off value that is located in a negative feedback circuit of the amp.You need to determine whether this is affecting one or both amp channels. On the basis of time alone, this amp should be recapped. Capacitors normally have a shelf life of 15-20 years before they begin deteriorating. If the juke has been kept in an pleasant temperature, air conditioned environment with moderate humidity,this helps the caps last longer. The amp may still be working reasonably well, but most likely it's way off from original specs. If you don't care to recap the amplifier,a troubleshooting process will involve substituting new caps one at a time into the negative feedback circuits surrounding the affected 6EU7 circuit. Occasionally bad cathode bias caps can create this condition. Use the same method to pinpoint your problem. Without looking at the SHFA4 schematic, there are probably a total of six caps in both circuits. The other thing that can typically cause oscillations are failing main power supply caps. Usually volume and tone controls will affect the squealing. In your case, I tend to think this isn't the cause. If the 6EU7 is the AVC tube, pulling it causes the amp to work at it's maximum gain through all affected stages. If the power supply caps are faulty, disabling the AVC should make the oscillation problem more chronic. It is not that difficult to operate a Seeburg amp on a service bench. There is a 4 pin connector that connnects the amp to the selector/receiver chassis. Two of the pins are a switched 110V AC input to the amplifier. The other two are a 6.3 volt AC filament winding that powers all tubes. Provide an external 6.3V transformer to run the tube filaments. The 110V is turned on to the amp by the selection receiver when it receives a play command. Most servicers I know remove the entire back door with both chassis to take to the shop when major surgery like this is needed. The reason that many servicers recommend a holistic approach (recap,re-hab the whole amp) instead of using a traditonal troubleshooting approach (above) in a situation like this is that you'll have other service calls to follow as little failures occur one by one. I can help you pinpoint specific caps that might be causing this problem when I can have an SHFA4 schematic open beside me. Good luck in your repair effort, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=EI06PRu55-_mjspHVi6qWQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= From pinplayers at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 08:50:52 2010 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Sun Jan 10 08:52:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e1001091823m7c79eda3t6864edd02069f39e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cf1842e1001091710r4b251b9ci940cc1f735e1f8ff@mail.gmail.com> <176338.55245.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8cf1842e1001091823m7c79eda3t6864edd02069f39e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e1001100850i25fe15dcof49f829ae008ecf0@mail.gmail.com> OK I have removed and inserted the Pinbank Plug several times as well as the Key selection Pug with no improvement. I connected the Pinbank and selector directly together and it selects fine. I pulled the CCU unit to clean the connectors ant to visually inspect the solder for the two connectors. I see that the two connectors are wired (jumped pin for pin) so it looks like it has to be the the connectors themselves correct? Thanks Don. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Donald Whiting wrote: > Thanks for the suggestions Ron I will give them a try tomorrow and post the > results. I did replace the 1 ohm resistor when I recapped the CCU unit the > original one had broken. > > Don. > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Don, >> If it's been one correctly, the only thing that could be giving you a >> problem is the plug. Un plug it and re-plug it several times, then try it. >> If it still has the same problems, try plugging in directly to the keyboard >> plug--if it's still the same, either you have problems within the unit, or >> the keyboard ladder switches. Check the one ohm resistor on the CCU also. It >> must NOT be jumper-ed ! Ron Rich >> >> --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Donald Whiting wrote: >> >> From: Donald Whiting >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 5:10 PM >> >> I wanted to post an update to the issue I was having with an amp that I >> had >> rebuilt but continued to experience low volume. Well it turned out to be a >> bad output transformer. After the transformer was replaced it sounds great >> with plenty of volume. Glad that part is over. Now onto my next problem >> the >> pinbank. As suggested I sent the pinbank out to be cleaned and serviced. >> When I sent it out 3 out of the 5 bank sections would not select. When I >> got >> it back I thought I had tested all letter groupings but later that night I >> noticed the K&L group was not selecting. Then today I go out open up the >> pinbank to see if there something obvious like a broken wire from shipping >> or something like that. Didn't find anything so I run through testing each >> letter group. Now not only does K&L not work but C&D are not working. Any >> ideas on what would cause this behaviour? I haven't contacted the place I >> sent it to as yet because I thought is was working when I got it back just >> 2 >> days ago. >> >> Thanks Don. >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 10 08:51:23 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 10 08:53:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M110B. Pinbank advice and reject switch. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <661770.72042.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle, On the switch--just open it up and fix it !--Or I understand that A-1 has repro'd them--- On the glass--you can get a similar glass at most "glass shops"--not too expensive-- On the mech problem--something is "hanging up"--As you always say "cycle and observe". This problem is usually caused by transporting the mech without it being PROPERLY "bolted down"--something is "bent". Most commonly, it's the supports for the contact block that ride under the SA Unit. It can also be the "frame" that guides the block, The "slides" on the SA unit,? or it can be "upstairs" in the pop meter area. Worst case--the main casting is "bent"---? Have fun--Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M110B. Pinbank advice and reject switch. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 7:14 PM OK, I just went to get a 100B running after the mechanism went to the end and stopped. Lubricated mechanism, adjust reversing switch, replace fuse.? All good there. That couldn't be the end, though. Problems. Two minor and a bigger one: 1) Anyone have an end of record switch?? This one's dead.? (shorting it trips the cycle). 2) I had the frosted glass behind the title strips out so I could see the switchstacks clearly, and the owner managed to break it even though I put it under his pool table.? Anyone have one cheap?? Otherwise, I told him to measure it and have a piece of similar plastic cut.? About $8 for that. 3) Here's the real problem: On the A sides only, in the 4 and 5 range, so in the center of the magazine, when the selection trips, the mechanism trips and then sticks, like the clutch isn't engaging.? This does NOT happen nearer the ends of the magazine. BUT... If you manually giggle the mechanism back and forth on the track a little, it'll continue the cycle. Upon thinking, I need to check the record transfer arm, but I don't think it even gets to that point in the cycle. I also don't think it's a clutch lubrication issue. I tried adjusting the pinbank reader block thingy. There are marks on it and it's dead on at the ends, and off towards the middle. Manual is ordered as of this afternoon. Any suggestions?? This jukebox is an hour drive away, so I need an arsenal of things to look for. In advance, thanks! Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 10 08:53:38 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 10 08:55:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY160 SHFA4 Amplifier In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <594678.72081.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle, Time to re-build (not just "re-cap") the amp--not doing so, risks the transformers at this point in time, imho. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY160 SHFA4 Amplifier To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:08 PM Background: Seeburg AY160, correct SHFA4 (Stereo High Fidelity Amplifier). Amplifier never recapped. Plays strong and clear. Looks to be all original. No obvious repairs. Issue: AVC (socket V109) is operated by a 6EU7 tube.? I have three? 6EU7s, two are tested NOS RCAs. If I put one in, the amplifier squeals, and the the squealing can be altered by the treble control. I've checked for any obvious physical shorts. There are none. Everything looks good. Any idea what I should check?? I'm not sure I follow the schematic, but could probably check if given directions. The bear would be testing it powered out of the cabinet as it's powered by being mounted next to the Control Center. Otherwise the amplifier works fine and it'll run without this AVC tube installed, so not the end of the world.? Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 10 08:59:10 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 10 09:00:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e1001100850i25fe15dcof49f829ae008ecf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <472408.35355.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Paul, Yep--you's got some kinda "crap" in the female socket--you may leave those plugs plugged into each other, if you do not want to use a wallbox.? What I usually do in thaat case is remove the WSR from the phono, set it "upside down, and spray the socket with a non residue, plastic safe solvent. Then I use my air hose on it, and finish it off with DeOxIt. That's about 97% effective--- Good luck,? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Donald Whiting wrote: From: Donald Whiting Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 8:50 AM OK I have removed and inserted the Pinbank Plug several times as well as the Key selection Pug with no improvement. I connected the Pinbank and selector directly together and it selects fine. I pulled the CCU unit to clean the connectors ant to visually inspect the solder for the two connectors. I see that the two connectors are wired (jumped pin for pin) so it looks like it has to be the the connectors themselves correct? Thanks Don. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Donald Whiting wrote: > Thanks for the suggestions Ron I will give them a try tomorrow and post the > results. I did replace the 1 ohm resistor when I recapped the CCU unit the > original one had broken. > > Don. > >???On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Don, >> If it's been one correctly, the only thing that could be giving you a >> problem is the plug. Un plug it and re-plug it several times, then try it. >> If it still has the same problems, try plugging in directly to the keyboard >> plug--if it's still the same, either you have problems within the unit, or >> the keyboard ladder switches. Check the one ohm resistor on the CCU also. It >> must NOT be jumper-ed !? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Donald Whiting wrote: >> >> From: Donald Whiting >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 5:10 PM >> >> I wanted to post an update to the issue I was having with an amp that I >> had >> rebuilt but continued to experience low volume. Well it turned out to be a >> bad output transformer. After the transformer was replaced it sounds great >> with plenty of volume. Glad that part is over. Now onto my next problem >> the >> pinbank. As suggested I sent the pinbank out to be cleaned and serviced. >> When I sent it out 3 out of the 5 bank sections would not select. When I >> got >> it back I thought I had tested all letter groupings but later that night I >> noticed the K&L group was not selecting. Then today I go out open up the >> pinbank to see if there something obvious like a broken wire from shipping >> or something like that. Didn't find anything so I run through testing each >> letter group. Now not only does K&L not work but C&D are not working. Any >> ideas on what would cause this behaviour? I haven't contacted the place I >> sent it to as yet because I thought is was working when I got it back just >> 2 >> days ago. >> >> Thanks Don. >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinplayers at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 09:08:26 2010 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Sun Jan 10 09:10:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more In-Reply-To: <472408.35355.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8cf1842e1001100850i25fe15dcof49f829ae008ecf0@mail.gmail.com> <472408.35355.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e1001100908k1e1b59a5pba1d46899ba74a27@mail.gmail.com> Ok Thanks Ron, I have some plastic safe cleaner I'll use it and flush them out good. Then I'll blow them out let dry and give it a go.. I'll post the results. Don. On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > Paul, > Yep--you's got some kinda "crap" in the female socket--you may leave those > plugs plugged into each other, if you do not want to use a wallbox. > What I usually do in thaat case is remove the WSR from the phono, set it > "upside down, and spray the socket with a non residue, plastic safe solvent. > Then I use my air hose on it, and finish it off with DeOxIt. That's about > 97% effective--- > Good luck, Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Donald Whiting wrote: > > From: Donald Whiting > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 8:50 AM > > OK I have removed and inserted the Pinbank Plug several times as well as > the > Key selection Pug with no improvement. I connected the Pinbank and selector > directly together and it selects fine. I pulled the CCU unit to clean the > connectors ant to visually inspect the solder for the two connectors. I see > that the two connectors are wired (jumped pin for pin) so it looks like it > has to be the the connectors themselves correct? > > Thanks Don. > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Donald Whiting > wrote: > > > Thanks for the suggestions Ron I will give them a try tomorrow and post > the > > results. I did replace the 1 ohm resistor when I recapped the CCU unit > the > > original one had broken. > > > > Don. > > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > > > >> Don, > >> If it's been one correctly, the only thing that could be giving you a > >> problem is the plug. Un plug it and re-plug it several times, then try > it. > >> If it still has the same problems, try plugging in directly to the > keyboard > >> plug--if it's still the same, either you have problems within the unit, > or > >> the keyboard ladder switches. Check the one ohm resistor on the CCU > also. It > >> must NOT be jumper-ed ! Ron Rich > >> > >> --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Donald Whiting wrote: > >> > >> From: Donald Whiting > >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more > >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 5:10 PM > >> > >> I wanted to post an update to the issue I was having with an amp that I > >> had > >> rebuilt but continued to experience low volume. Well it turned out to be > a > >> bad output transformer. After the transformer was replaced it sounds > great > >> with plenty of volume. Glad that part is over. Now onto my next problem > >> the > >> pinbank. As suggested I sent the pinbank out to be cleaned and serviced. > >> When I sent it out 3 out of the 5 bank sections would not select. When I > >> got > >> it back I thought I had tested all letter groupings but later that night > I > >> noticed the K&L group was not selecting. Then today I go out open up the > >> pinbank to see if there something obvious like a broken wire from > shipping > >> or something like that. Didn't find anything so I run through testing > each > >> letter group. Now not only does K&L not work but C&D are not working. > Any > >> ideas on what would cause this behaviour? I haven't contacted the place > I > >> sent it to as yet because I thought is was working when I got it back > just > >> 2 > >> days ago. > >> > >> Thanks Don. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Jan 10 11:07:17 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Jan 10 11:08:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg AY160 SHFA4 Amplifier Message-ID: Jim, Yes, the squealing is in both channels and goes up and down with the volume and changes frequency with the treble control. As I recall, there's a 1.5" silver cap on that tube. If that's the one I should change, I could do that now and see if I can eventually do a whole recap. After looking at the schematic, I think I could be coached through it. Yes, the jukebox was kept indoors and the electronics look good. Not even much discoloration. It's only been out of service a few years. Ron, I don't think I'm capable of completely rebuilding it. It'd be a stretch for me to completely recap it. The kits come with a schematic but the last time I attempted it (a Tormat, actually, from a Seeburg DS), I couldn't find them all, so I just did the pulse amplifier and it came back to life. It'd be great if they came numbered with a marked photo of the chassis! Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From pinplayers at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 11:11:18 2010 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Sun Jan 10 11:13:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e1001100908k1e1b59a5pba1d46899ba74a27@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cf1842e1001100850i25fe15dcof49f829ae008ecf0@mail.gmail.com> <472408.35355.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8cf1842e1001100908k1e1b59a5pba1d46899ba74a27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e1001101111p59f90d4arbf36d0c2240a6107@mail.gmail.com> Cleaning the connectors corrected the problem but I fix one and another appears yeah:-( Now what I have is if I select C1 or C# the pins are set but all I get is a constant scan with no pickup. When It scans by on the odd numbers I hear a relay kick but that's it. It just scans nonstop. Don. On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Donald Whiting wrote: > Ok Thanks Ron, I have some plastic safe cleaner I'll use it and flush them > out good. Then I'll blow them out let dry and give it a go.. > I'll post the results. > > Don. > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Paul, >> Yep--you's got some kinda "crap" in the female socket--you may leave those >> plugs plugged into each other, if you do not want to use a wallbox. >> What I usually do in thaat case is remove the WSR from the phono, set it >> "upside down, and spray the socket with a non residue, plastic safe solvent. >> Then I use my air hose on it, and finish it off with DeOxIt. That's about >> 97% effective--- >> Good luck, Ron Rich >> >> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Donald Whiting wrote: >> >> From: Donald Whiting >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 8:50 AM >> >> OK I have removed and inserted the Pinbank Plug several times as well as >> the >> Key selection Pug with no improvement. I connected the Pinbank and >> selector >> directly together and it selects fine. I pulled the CCU unit to clean the >> connectors ant to visually inspect the solder for the two connectors. I >> see >> that the two connectors are wired (jumped pin for pin) so it looks like it >> has to be the the connectors themselves correct? >> >> Thanks Don. >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Donald Whiting >> wrote: >> >> > Thanks for the suggestions Ron I will give them a try tomorrow and post >> the >> > results. I did replace the 1 ohm resistor when I recapped the CCU unit >> the >> > original one had broken. >> > >> > Don. >> > >> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Ron Rich wrote: >> > >> >> Don, >> >> If it's been one correctly, the only thing that could be giving you a >> >> problem is the plug. Un plug it and re-plug it several times, then try >> it. >> >> If it still has the same problems, try plugging in directly to the >> keyboard >> >> plug--if it's still the same, either you have problems within the unit, >> or >> >> the keyboard ladder switches. Check the one ohm resistor on the CCU >> also. It >> >> must NOT be jumper-ed ! Ron Rich >> >> >> >> --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Donald Whiting wrote: >> >> >> >> From: Donald Whiting >> >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more >> >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> >> Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 5:10 PM >> >> >> >> I wanted to post an update to the issue I was having with an amp that I >> >> had >> >> rebuilt but continued to experience low volume. Well it turned out to >> be a >> >> bad output transformer. After the transformer was replaced it sounds >> great >> >> with plenty of volume. Glad that part is over. Now onto my next problem >> >> the >> >> pinbank. As suggested I sent the pinbank out to be cleaned and >> serviced. >> >> When I sent it out 3 out of the 5 bank sections would not select. When >> I >> >> got >> >> it back I thought I had tested all letter groupings but later that >> night I >> >> noticed the K&L group was not selecting. Then today I go out open up >> the >> >> pinbank to see if there something obvious like a broken wire from >> shipping >> >> or something like that. Didn't find anything so I run through testing >> each >> >> letter group. Now not only does K&L not work but C&D are not working. >> Any >> >> ideas on what would cause this behaviour? I haven't contacted the place >> I >> >> sent it to as yet because I thought is was working when I got it back >> just >> >> 2 >> >> days ago. >> >> >> >> Thanks Don. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 10 11:31:28 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 10 11:34:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg AY160 SHFA4 Amplifier Message-ID: <20100110.143128.19671.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Kyle: If you buy a cap kit from Vern Tisdale, each cap comes tagged with the mfr's item # number (C-25, C-26 etc) so that you can double check your work. Using the cap kit, the schematic and a check off list that you make yourself, you shouldn't miss anything. By recapping the amp, you are effectively spinning the clock back on your SHFA4 by 50+ years so that aging or out of tolerance caps aren't suspect anymore. Seeing that this oscillation happends in both channels, I would try substituting new caps in for the power supply filter caps---especially the downstream ones at the end of the filtering string. Working on the theory that only one component has failed, these filter caps are one of the few things that are common to both amp channels. If a couping cap in a negative feedback line was at fault, you'd only hear the squealing in one channel. I'll have to get back to you with more specifics when I can get out a copy of an SHFA4 schematic. later today or tomorrow. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Hotel Don't stay in a roach motel. Click here to find great deals on hotels. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Rhr5n_lIYDOUC9ZanuEvGQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA= From kjq45 at att.net Sun Jan 10 12:51:43 2010 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Jan 10 12:53:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed-O-Strobe Test Kit For Seeburg Jukebox Message-ID: Speed-O-Strobe Test Kit For Seeburg Jukeboxes SPECIAL ! This looks like a good tool to have. Someone working on Seeburgs might find this handy. http://cgi.ebay.com/Speed-O-Strobe-Test-Kit-For-Seeburg-Jukeboxes-SPECIAL_W0QQitemZ260420224268QQcategoryZ48649QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 10 13:07:07 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 10 13:08:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C SA Unit problems-- In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e1001101111p59f90d4arbf36d0c2240a6107@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <569126.63347.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Donald, That's a canOworms--- Could be that the rebuilder installed that segment "a little off", or installed the pins backwards, IF, that's the ONLY section doing that---. Could be that it's a "little off", and the "W" contact adjustment is dirty, or not quite perfectly set either. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Donald Whiting wrote: From: Donald Whiting Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:11 AM Cleaning the connectors corrected the problem but I fix one and another appears yeah:-( Now what I have is if I select C1 or C# the pins are set but all I get is a constant scan with no pickup. When It scans by on the odd numbers I hear a relay kick but that's it. It just scans nonstop. Don. On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Donald Whiting wrote: > Ok Thanks Ron, I have some plastic safe cleaner I'll use it and flush them > out good. Then I'll blow them out let dry and give it a go.. > I'll post the results. > > Don. > >???On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Paul, >> Yep--you's got some kinda "crap" in the female socket--you may leave those >> plugs plugged into each other, if you do not want to use a wallbox. >> What I usually do in thaat case is remove the WSR from the phono, set it >> "upside down, and spray the socket with a non residue, plastic safe solvent. >> Then I use my air hose on it, and finish it off with DeOxIt. That's about >> 97% effective--- >> Good luck,? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Donald Whiting wrote: >> >> From: Donald Whiting >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 8:50 AM >> >> OK I have removed and inserted the Pinbank Plug several times as well as >> the >> Key selection Pug with no improvement. I connected the Pinbank and >> selector >> directly together and it selects fine. I pulled the CCU unit to clean the >> connectors ant to visually inspect the solder for the two connectors. I >> see >> that the two connectors are wired (jumped pin for pin) so it looks like it >> has to be the the connectors themselves correct? >> >> Thanks Don. >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Donald Whiting >> wrote: >> >> > Thanks for the suggestions Ron I will give them a try tomorrow and post >> the >> > results. I did replace the 1 ohm resistor when I recapped the CCU unit >> the >> > original one had broken. >> > >> > Don. >> > >> >???On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Ron Rich wrote: >> > >> >> Don, >> >> If it's been one correctly, the only thing that could be giving you a >> >> problem is the plug. Un plug it and re-plug it several times, then try >> it. >> >> If it still has the same problems, try plugging in directly to the >> keyboard >> >> plug--if it's still the same, either you have problems within the unit, >> or >> >> the keyboard ladder switches. Check the one ohm resistor on the CCU >> also. It >> >> must NOT be jumper-ed !? Ron Rich >> >> >> >> --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Donald Whiting wrote: >> >> >> >> From: Donald Whiting >> >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more >> >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> >> Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 5:10 PM >> >> >> >> I wanted to post an update to the issue I was having with an amp that I >> >> had >> >> rebuilt but continued to experience low volume. Well it turned out to >> be a >> >> bad output transformer. After the transformer was replaced it sounds >> great >> >> with plenty of volume. Glad that part is over. Now onto my next problem >> >> the >> >> pinbank. As suggested I sent the pinbank out to be cleaned and >> serviced. >> >> When I sent it out 3 out of the 5 bank sections would not select. When >> I >> >> got >> >> it back I thought I had tested all letter groupings but later that >> night I >> >> noticed the K&L group was not selecting. Then today I go out open up >> the >> >> pinbank to see if there something obvious like a broken wire from >> shipping >> >> or something like that. Didn't find anything so I run through testing >> each >> >> letter group. Now not only does K&L not work but C&D are not working. >> Any >> >> ideas on what would cause this behaviour? I haven't contacted the place >> I >> >> sent it to as yet because I thought is was working when I got it back >> just >> >> 2 >> >> days ago. >> >> >> >> Thanks Don. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 10 13:12:58 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 10 13:14:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed-O-Strobe Test Kit For Seeburg Jukebox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <178057.91895.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hate to burst someone's bubble--but there is no need for a strobe when adjusting the speed on a 45TASU unit !? A 33 unit does need a strobe--but Seeburg supplied one with every "Autospeeded" unit.Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed-O-Strobe Test Kit For Seeburg Jukebox To: "Jukebox List" Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 12:51 PM Speed-O-Strobe Test Kit For Seeburg Jukeboxes SPECIAL !? This looks like a good tool to have.? Someone working on Seeburgs might find this handy. http://cgi.ebay.com/Speed-O-Strobe-Test-Kit-For-Seeburg-Jukeboxes-SPECIAL_W0QQitemZ260420224268QQcategoryZ48649QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 10 13:26:30 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 10 13:29:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg AY160 SHFA4 Amplifier Message-ID: <20100110.162630.1064.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Kyle: I've looked at the SHFA4 schematic These are the possibilities that would trigger an oscillation problem, unless noted otherwise. You should check by substitution the following capacitors in the V109 6EU7 tube circuit. If defective C143 would affect stability of both channels. The other caps will affect a single channel only. C143 200 mfd 15V C144 .01 mfd 500V C145 .01 mfd 500V C146 .01 mfd 500V C110 .05 mfd 400V C133 .05 mfd 400V The following power supply filter cap circuit values if defective can cause oscillation in both channels they should be replaced by substitution : 4 section can cap C120A 20 mfd 475V C120B 20 mfd 475V C120C 40 mfd 475V C120D 40 mfd 475V These cap values and this bias power supply should be checked to make sure there is -35V DC at the grids of the 6973 tubes These will typically not cause oscillation, but low voltage here can cause excess plate current in the 6973's. A common problem in these amps as they age.. C121 50 mfd 60V C122 50 mfd 60V C123 20 mfd 50V I wish I could sell you on the benefits of rebuilding the whole amp, rather than a troubleshooting/repair job. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=dbmZ7EibTZRueIkGnbuzHgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From kjq45 at att.net Sun Jan 10 15:04:14 2010 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Jan 10 15:05:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed-O-Strobe Test Kit For Seeburg Jukebox References: <178057.91895.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No bubbles burst here. I'm sure everyone with a Seeburg, has the factory supplied strobe. It can be used with any turntable, or jukebox. Might be handy for many applications. I suppose it's best to disregard the FYI. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speed-O-Strobe Test Kit For Seeburg Jukebox Hate to burst someone's bubble--but there is no need for a strobe when adjusting the speed on a 45TASU unit ! A 33 unit does need a strobe--but Seeburg supplied one with every "Autospeeded" unit.Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed-O-Strobe Test Kit For Seeburg Jukebox To: "Jukebox List" Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 12:51 PM Speed-O-Strobe Test Kit For Seeburg Jukeboxes SPECIAL ! This looks like a good tool to have. Someone working on Seeburgs might find this handy. http://cgi.ebay.com/Speed-O-Strobe-Test-Kit-For-Seeburg-Jukeboxes-SPECIAL_W0QQitemZ260420224268QQcategoryZ48649QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Jan 10 15:49:45 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Jan 10 15:51:22 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed-O-Strobe Test Kit For Seeburg Jukebox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <490478.34494.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Glen Pitts wrote: > Speed-O-Strobe Test Kit For Seeburg > Jukeboxes SPECIAL ! This looks like a good tool to > have. Someone working on Seeburgs might find this > handy. Yeah, and I was going to buy one, too, until I read the fine print: The phonographs *aren't* included! What a rip off! :-) From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Jan 10 16:31:10 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Jan 10 16:32:47 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg AY160 SHFA4 Amplifier Message-ID: Jim. Thanks so much for the information. I'm not opposed to a recap, I'm just not sure I can do it. Locating things in a schematic is easy enough, but I remember on the Totmat, I had a few left over because I couldn't determine in reality which one was which. I also know some have a definite + and - end and I've goofed that up before, too. Just an hour ago gave my VW a valve adjustment, something many people would not attempt but I do as easily as some of you guys recap an amplifier... and I'm a little envious. Example: "These cap values and this bias power supply should be checked to make sure there is -35V DC at the grids of the 6973 tubes." My reaction: ? ? ? - I have no clue what this means. I'll order the kit if you promise me you'll be available for an evening or weekend phone call if I run into a wall. Deal? Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From bmet09 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 10 18:12:11 2010 From: bmet09 at yahoo.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Sun Jan 10 18:13:47 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) Message-ID: <959154.60701.qm@web112508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim causes me to ask this: What constitutes the range of plays, from Low, to Medium, to High, in a jukebox meter? James Alexander wrote: (cut) Unit has only 39,000 plays on the meter. Cabinet and glass is nice, but has typical dents scratches etc from early comm'l use. Asking $800, which includes a rack ful of records (music preference of the buyer.) Any advice anyone cares to offer is appreciated. Jim AlexanderDick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 10 21:16:08 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 10 21:19:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) Message-ID: <20100111.001608.16798.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Dick: The average jukebox isn't sold off by it's vending company owner until the playmeter is in the circa 80,000-90,000 play range. Most home jukes bought from vending companies seem to live in this range. In some cases the meter readings are a lot higher. If well maintained most of these mechanisms can still function well after racking up 250,000 plays. On the other hand, I've seen "basket cases" not worth fixing with low mileage numbers. Selling a 1976 juke with only 39,000 plays is the equivalent of selling a used car only driven to church on Sunday by a little old lady. This is very light use. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xayILcXuZ7OfkodD20LslwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From jeremy at dwave.net Mon Jan 11 07:30:41 2010 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Mon Jan 11 07:32:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) In-Reply-To: <20100111.001608.16798.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100111.001608.16798.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20100111152420.M31849@dwave.net> How high does the playmeter read on that juke. The Seeburg ones that I have seen only register 99,999. So how could you validate that a mech had less than 100k plays on it? The Seeburg mech does keep on going - and going - if properly lubricated. Just a question of curiosity Thanks Jeremy Agema On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:16:08 GMT, James Alexander wrote > Dick: > > The average jukebox isn't sold off by it's vending company owner until the playmeter is in the circa 80,000-90,000 play range. ?Most home jukes bought from vending companies seem to live in this range. In some cases the meter readings are a lot higher. ? ? If well maintained most of these mechanisms can still function well after racking up 250,000 plays. ? ? On the other hand, I've seen "basket cases" not worth fixing with low mileage numbers. > > Selling a 1976 juke with only 39,000 plays is the equivalent of selling a used car only driven to church on Sunday by a little old lady. This is very light use. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Diet Help > Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xayILcXuZ7OfkodD20LslwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 07:35:50 2010 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Jan 11 07:44:07 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) In-Reply-To: <20100111152420.M31849@dwave.net> References: <20100111.001608.16798.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <20100111152420.M31849@dwave.net> Message-ID: I was wondering the same thing myself- The later model Rowes R-84 & later are the only vinyl jukes that I know have a 6 digit play meter. I'm sure there are others, but not many I'm sure. Thomas On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Jeremy Agema wrote: > How high does the playmeter read on that juke. The Seeburg ones that I have > seen only register 99,999. So how could you validate that a mech had less > than 100k plays on it? The Seeburg mech does keep on going - and going - if > properly lubricated. > > Just a question of curiosity > > Thanks > > Jeremy Agema > > On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:16:08 GMT, James Alexander wrote > > Dick: > > > > The average jukebox isn't sold off by it's vending company owner until > the playmeter is in the circa 80,000-90,000 play range. Most home jukes > bought from vending companies seem to live in this range. In some cases the > meter readings are a lot higher. If well maintained most of these > mechanisms can still function well after racking up 250,000 plays. On > the other hand, I've seen "basket cases" not worth fixing with low mileage > numbers. > > > > Selling a 1976 juke with only 39,000 plays is the equivalent of selling a > used car only driven to church on Sunday by a little old lady. This is very > light use. > > > > Jim Alexander > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Diet Help > > Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips > and solutions. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xayILcXuZ7OfkodD20LslwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 08:28:14 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 08:29:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) In-Reply-To: <959154.60701.qm@web112508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87961.33715.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guys, IMHO--"meters" have no relationship to anything unless you have some sort of a written "log" from day one. Meters are not always accurate, and they are sometimes replaced, because of that. Also, meters "flip" to zero after so many digits, and there is no way to tell how many times any particular meter may have done so--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Dick Habegger wrote: From: Dick Habegger Subject: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 6:12 PM Jim causes me to ask this: What constitutes the range of plays, from Low, to Medium, to High, in a jukebox meter? James Alexander wrote: (cut) Unit has only 39,000 plays on the meter. Cabinet and glass is nice, but has typical dents scratches etc from early comm'l use. Asking $800, which includes a rack ful of records (music preference of the buyer.) Any advice anyone cares to offer is appreciated.? Jim AlexanderDick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From commerciale at baldi.it Mon Jan 11 08:35:31 2010 From: commerciale at baldi.it (BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti) Date: Mon Jan 11 08:43:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? Message-ID: <9323BF7CAB224813A59F4AD0BD9D4004@PCStefano> Hi, Just a question of curiosity.. I would like to know the name of the amplifier that was installed as standard on the Seeburg HF100G jukebox, and to know if this model (amplifier mra5-l6) is compatible. Many Thanks !! Stefano. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 08:49:20 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 08:51:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? In-Reply-To: <9323BF7CAB224813A59F4AD0BD9D4004@PCStefano> Message-ID: <841527.99673.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Stefano, OEM was the MRA-4 for the G model. The -5 should be just fine, as there are very few differences between he two models.? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti wrote: From: BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 8:35 AM Hi, Just a question of curiosity.. I would like to know the name of the amplifier that was installed as standard on the Seeburg HF100G jukebox, and to know if this model (amplifier mra5-l6) is compatible. Many Thanks !! Stefano. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Jan 11 08:52:41 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Mon Jan 11 08:54:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) In-Reply-To: <87961.33715.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <87961.33715.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Many machines, particularly the Rowe variety (and NSM to a large extent), do not have their original mechanisms/carriages in, as they are pretty modular and easy to swap on site if there was a problem, also making it not worth reading too much into the meter reading. I think the early Rowe meters were only 4 digits so easy to clock round like Ron says. Nigel > Guys, > IMHO--"meters" have no relationship to anything unless you have some sort > of a written "log" from day one. Meters are not always accurate, and they > are sometimes replaced, because of that. Also, meters "flip" to zero after > so many digits, and there is no way to tell how many times any particular > meter may have done so--Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Dick Habegger wrote: > > From: Dick Habegger > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 6:12 PM > > Jim causes me to ask this: > > What constitutes the range of plays, from Low, to Medium, to High, in a > jukebox meter? > > James Alexander wrote: > > (cut) > > Unit has only 39,000 plays on the meter. Cabinet and glass is nice, but > has typical dents scratches etc from early comm'l use. Asking $800, which > includes a rack ful of records (music preference of the buyer.) > > Any advice anyone cares to offer is appreciated.? > > Jim AlexanderDick Habegger > Phelan, CA > [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to > forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] > > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jan 11 09:04:20 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jan 11 09:07:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) Message-ID: <20100111.120420.17650.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Jeremy: The playmeter on this Seeburg juke is a 5 digit counter with a max number of 99,999, like you said. This partricular STD-3 juke was in use commercial use early in it's life. It developed an intermittent problem in the tormat system, that stumped local repair technicians, so the vendor-owner chucked it into the back of his warehouse. Everything is in nice enough condition where you can tell this unit really has only 39000 plays. With time taking it s toll , the tormat, amp, etc have all had to be recapped, reworked. Tormat/microlog problem has been solved. Looks perfect, sounds wonderful. There just isn't much sales appeal to this unit right now, unless you give it away for pennies on the dollar. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=f_33SA5mxo1jTPZa4HRUswAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 09:17:47 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Mon Jan 11 09:19:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) In-Reply-To: References: <87961.33715.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Right or wrong, I have reset the counter on my W2710 when I moved it into the house. Had to disassemble to manually roll back to zero. Now kinda regretting that decision as it takes away a little from the history of the machine. But, it does count plays since put on location in my basement. That is kind of neat. What should be taken from the counter? Total number of plays on stylus....amp...plarak..carriage...springs. All of these are replaceable and could have been during normal commercial life of the jukebox. Maybe operators used these as indicators for end of life...when to retire it from commercial service. Guess you kind of have to treat it like an odometer in a car. As an indicator of total mileage. We don?t start the odometer over when brakes or batteries are replaced. What do the old route guys think? Did you use it for 'total mileage' ? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:53 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) Many machines, particularly the Rowe variety (and NSM to a large extent), do not have their original mechanisms/carriages in, as they are pretty modular and easy to swap on site if there was a problem, also making it not worth reading too much into the meter reading. I think the early Rowe meters were only 4 digits so easy to clock round like Ron says. Nigel > Guys, > IMHO--"meters" have no relationship to anything unless you have some sort > of a written "log" from day one. Meters are not always accurate, and they > are sometimes replaced, because of that. Also, meters "flip" to zero after > so many digits, and there is no way to tell how many times any particular > meter may have done so--Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Dick Habegger wrote: > > From: Dick Habegger > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 6:12 PM > > Jim causes me to ask this: > > What constitutes the range of plays, from Low, to Medium, to High, in a > jukebox meter? > > James Alexander wrote: > > (cut) > > Unit has only 39,000 plays on the meter. Cabinet and glass is nice, but > has typical dents scratches etc from early comm'l use. Asking $800, which > includes a rack ful of records (music preference of the buyer.) > > Any advice anyone cares to offer is appreciated.? > > Jim AlexanderDick Habegger > Phelan, CA > [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to > forward some messages. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release Date: 01/11/10 01:35:00 From commerciale at baldi.it Mon Jan 11 09:25:01 2010 From: commerciale at baldi.it (BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti) Date: Mon Jan 11 09:26:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? In-Reply-To: <841527.99673.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <841527.99673.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32A2FFEEAF3C4D4A8F2A9B23A21F3E3F@PCStefano> Thanks Ron Rich, can I find one MRA-4 in good condition for to buy ? Stefano, OEM was the MRA-4 for the G model. The -5 should be just fine, as there are very few differences between he two models. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti wrote: From: BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 8:35 AM Hi, Just a question of curiosity.. I would like to know the name of the amplifier that was installed as standard on the Seeburg HF100G jukebox, and to know if this model (amplifier mra5-l6) is compatible. Many Thanks !! Stefano. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 09:40:19 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 09:42:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <396725.82223.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, When I had a route, I made sure that the meters worked. We had a contract with a "chain" company to supply a specific cabinet to their 26 locations. We ran that model in those locations (and other places too) for over 20 years. About every 25,000 "klicks" on the meter, it was our practice to change the mech for a rebuilt one. The cabinets remained at the same location, unless/until they started to look "shabby", and then they would be replaced, with a re-painted cabinet, and of course, the rebuilt insides too. We logged EVERY service call on the juke, and if we didn't like a "pattern", we would change what we needed too, to prevent further problems. These jukes were located as far away from us as 300 miles, so "service calls" were real costly, and we attempted to avoid them, if possible. Ron --- On Mon, 1/11/10, SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 9:17 AM Right or wrong, I have reset the counter on my W2710 when I moved it into the house.? Had to disassemble to manually roll back to zero.? Now kinda regretting that decision as it takes away a little from the history of the machine. But, it does count plays since put on location in my basement. That is kind of neat. What should be taken from the counter?? Total number of plays on stylus....amp...plarak..carriage...springs.? All of these are replaceable and could have been during normal commercial life of the jukebox.? Maybe operators used these as indicators for end of life...when to retire it from commercial service. Guess you kind of have to treat it like an odometer in a car. As an indicator of total mileage.? We don?t start the odometer over when brakes or batteries are replaced. What do the old route guys think?? Did you use it for 'total? mileage' ? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:53 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) Many machines, particularly the Rowe variety (and NSM to a large extent), do not have their original mechanisms/carriages in, as they are pretty modular and easy to swap on site if there was a problem, also making it not worth reading too much into the meter reading. I think the early Rowe meters were only 4 digits so easy to clock round like Ron says. Nigel > Guys, > IMHO--"meters" have no relationship to anything unless you have some sort > of a written "log" from day one. Meters are not always accurate, and they > are sometimes replaced, because of that. Also, meters "flip" to zero after > so many digits, and there is no way to tell how many times any particular > meter may have done so--Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Dick Habegger wrote: > > From: Dick Habegger > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re:? A Self-sustaining Hobby) > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 6:12 PM > > Jim causes me to ask this: > > What constitutes the range of plays, from Low, to Medium, to High, in a > jukebox meter? > > James Alexander wrote: > > (cut) > > Unit has only 39,000 plays on the meter. Cabinet and glass is nice, but > has typical dents scratches etc from early comm'l use. Asking $800, which > includes a rack ful of records (music preference of the buyer.) > > Any advice anyone cares to offer is appreciated.? > > Jim AlexanderDick Habegger > Phelan, CA > [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to > forward some messages. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release Date: 01/11/10 01:35:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 09:55:13 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 09:56:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? In-Reply-To: <32A2FFEEAF3C4D4A8F2A9B23A21F3E3F@PCStefano> Message-ID: <832702.70395.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Maybe ?? But why do it (perchae?--non recordo pue l'Italiano) ? If you have a -5 it will work just the same as a -4. They are totally interchangeable. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti wrote: From: BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 9:25 AM Thanks Ron Rich, can I find one? MRA-4 in good condition for to buy ? Stefano, OEM was the MRA-4 for the G model. The -5 should be just fine, as there are very few differences between he two models. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti wrote: From: BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 8:35 AM Hi, Just a question of curiosity.. I would like to know the name of the amplifier that was installed as standard on the Seeburg HF100G jukebox, and to know if this model (amplifier mra5-l6) is compatible. Many Thanks !! Stefano. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Mon Jan 11 10:08:40 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jan 11 10:10:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? In-Reply-To: <9323BF7CAB224813A59F4AD0BD9D4004@PCStefano> References: <9323BF7CAB224813A59F4AD0BD9D4004@PCStefano> Message-ID: <4B4B6928.4070102@west.net> BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti wrote: > Hi, Just a question of curiosity.. > > I would like to know the name of the amplifier that was installed as standard on the Seeburg HF100G jukebox, and to know if this model (amplifier mra5-l6) is compatible. The G uses an MRA4-L6. Your MRA5-L6 is for the R series and won't work in a G without modification. The G has a field-coil speaker and the R uses permanent-magnet speakers. Thus, the MRA5-L6 doesn't have the field coil DC output. The speaker plug is physically different, 4 pins vs. 6 pins. If someone has replaced the speaker in your G with a permanent magnet type, then you should be OK but it won't be as original. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Mon Jan 11 10:09:54 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jan 11 10:11:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? In-Reply-To: <832702.70395.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <832702.70395.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B4B6972.3050801@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Maybe ?? But why do it (perchae?--non recordo pue l'Italiano) ? If you have a -5 it will work just the same as a -4. They are totally interchangeable. Ron Rich The MRA5 doesn't support the field coil speaker used in the HF100G. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 11 10:14:48 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Jan 11 10:16:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan gutted!! Oh My!! Message-ID: <352012.51612.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Gang, It was a cooooooold weekend here in Chicago. What's a guy to do in such foul weather? Why, disassemble a Trashcan, of course!! Here is a slideshow of the carnage: http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/?action=view¤t=34e2e38e.pbw My plan is to have the cabinet professionally restored. I still do not have a solid lead on who will do this. All of my Google searches are coming up short on jukebox cabinet restorers. Also on the plan is having the selection receiver rebuilt. Contact me off list if you would like the name & number of the gentleman doing the work on the selection receiver. I'd like to get some opinions regarding these pix selected from above: Inside speaker grill: http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Gutted/100_1442.jpg Closeup Bottom: http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Gutted/100_1442.jpg Closeup Top: http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Gutted/100_1446.jpg This looks to me like a previous owner's attempt at adding a bit of color to the front door. Am I right? I'd like to know what may have been installed from the factory in place of these kludges. Any help or reference pix would be appreciated. Stay warm, everyone! Bob - Chicago From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 10:17:43 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 10:19:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? In-Reply-To: <4B4B6928.4070102@west.net> Message-ID: <939652.67079.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Stefano, Jay and others-- OOPS--Jay's right, I was wrong--forgot about the speaker changes--I guess that my great, but not too long memory, is suffering from CRS today ! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 10:08 AM BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti wrote: > Hi, Just a question of curiosity.. > > I would like to know the name of the amplifier that was installed as standard on the Seeburg HF100G jukebox, and to know if this model (amplifier mra5-l6) is compatible. The G uses an MRA4-L6. Your MRA5-L6 is for the R series and won't work in a G without modification.? The G has a field-coil speaker and the R uses permanent-magnet speakers.? Thus, the MRA5-L6 doesn't have the field coil DC output.? The speaker plug is physically different, 4 pins vs. 6 pins. If someone has replaced the speaker in your G with a permanent magnet type, then you should be OK but it won't be as original. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 11 10:22:29 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Jan 11 10:24:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan gutted!! Oh My!! Message-ID: <213989.74007.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The slideshow link in my previous post is glitzy but hard to navigate through. Here is a non-glitzy link to the pix in the slideshow: http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Gutted/ From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 11 10:25:45 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Jan 11 10:27:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan gutted!! Oh My!! Message-ID: <141395.62310.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One of the links in my previous posting was incorrect..... This is the 'real' Closeup Bottom of the inside door: http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Gutted/100_1443.jpg From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jan 11 11:21:14 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jan 11 11:22:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) Message-ID: Here's a little insight from within the operators world. The meters were (also) used for collections. The numbers could be divided to account for skimming during collections. One company I knew (I knew the owner and hung out there) were adamant about taking meter readings. of course, multi-pricing ( 2/.25 or 5/.50 ) would affect these numbers slightly, but not that much. My AMI G has it's lubrication schedule set up on X-amount of plays, so that was probabaly the main reason to have them. Most meters seem to be 5 digit. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jan 11 11:25:39 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jan 11 11:27:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) Message-ID: Here's a little insight from within the operators world. The meters were (also) used for collections. The numbers could be divided to account for skimming during collections. One company I knew (I knew the owner and hung out there) were adamant about taking meter readings. of course, multi-pricing ( 2/.25 or 5/.50 ) would affect these numbers slightly, but not that much. My AMI G has it's lubrication schedule set up on X-amount of plays, so that was probabaly the main reason to have them. Most meters seem to be 5 digit. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From jay at west.net Mon Jan 11 11:37:51 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jan 11 11:39:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B4B7E0F.4060301@west.net> Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > Here's a little insight from within the operators world. The meters were (also) used for collections. > The numbers could be divided to account for skimming during collections. > One company I knew (I knew the owner and hung out there) were adamant about taking meter readings. of course, multi-pricing ( 2/.25 or 5/.50 ) would affect these numbers slightly, but not that much. On the later Seeburgs there was an option of an "Income Totalizer" for this very reason. Separate from the play counter, it kept track of actual coin switch activations and displayed in dollars and cents. It was built so as to be somewhat difficult to tamper with, as I recall a big carriage bolt and perhaps a secondary lock on it internally. I remember seeing one on an LPC-1 some time ago. As far as I know, the Income Totalizer tracked only deposits to the main jukebox (not wallboxes). The play counter kept track of all selections. So it would seem that the play counter is more useful for maintenance such as lubrication and stylus replacement. It is not really accurate for counting cash, especially with mini-LPs and wallboxes in the mix. The play counter should show serious skimming I would think. By the way, I seem to recall that it was common back in the day for operators to give location owners a few quarters marked with red nail polish to use to stimulate play. These would get separated out and returned to the location owner when the coin bag was emptied. I remember occasionally getting quarters as change with red marks on them, probably "leaked" coins from this type of arrangement. Never see them recently. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 11:37:56 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Mon Jan 11 11:39:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <429478D62FC14F72B2A419BB13B05B60@p4> My Ami G200 does not have a total play counter. I guess the guy who did the restore failed to put it on....or something like that. I know where it goes, but does anyone have any pictures of their install and where it is wired in. I would like to track one down and install on my G200. That being said...anyone have an extra? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:26 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) Here's a little insight from within the operators world. The meters were (also) used for collections. The numbers could be divided to account for skimming during collections. One company I knew (I knew the owner and hung out there) were adamant about taking meter readings. of course, multi-pricing ( 2/.25 or 5/.50 ) would affect these numbers slightly, but not that much. My AMI G has it's lubrication schedule set up on X-amount of plays, so that was probabaly the main reason to have them. Most meters seem to be 5 digit. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release Date: 01/11/10 01:35:00 From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Jan 11 11:52:03 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Mon Jan 11 11:53:48 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan gutted!! Oh My!! In-Reply-To: <352012.51612.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <352012.51612.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19A34151-3FB8-4FBB-8339-FF3110595B43@verizon.net> Hi Bob, is there a way to look at your photobucket without it scrolling? Also, the door doesn't look anything like mine, go to my photobucket...maybe it will give you an idea, this is getting exciting!!! http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc134/jukejackie/?action=view¤t=DSCN1819-1.jpg Jackie On Jan 11, 2010, at 1:14 PM, NotarySojac wrote: > Hi Gang, > > It was a cooooooold weekend here in Chicago. > What's a guy to do in such foul weather? > Why, disassemble a Trashcan, of course!! > > Here is a slideshow of the carnage: > > http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/?action=view¤t=34e2e38e.pbw > > My plan is to have the cabinet professionally restored. I still do not have a solid lead on who will do this. > All of my Google searches are coming up short on jukebox cabinet restorers. > Also on the plan is having the selection receiver rebuilt. Contact me off list if you would like the name > & number of the gentleman doing the work on the selection receiver. > > I'd like to get some opinions regarding these pix selected from above: > > Inside speaker grill: > http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Gutted/100_1442.jpg > Closeup Bottom: > http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Gutted/100_1442.jpg > Closeup Top: > http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Gutted/100_1446.jpg > > This looks to me like a previous owner's attempt at adding a bit of color to the front door. Am I right? > I'd like to know what may have been installed from the factory in place of these kludges. Any help > or reference pix would be appreciated. > > Stay warm, everyone! > > Bob - Chicago > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jan 11 12:07:40 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jan 11 12:09:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Message-ID: <20100111.150740.16940.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Back when I was working for a vending operator, they paid attention to the playmeter readings in their 60's-era Wurlitzers to balance against the coin "take" to make sure that people weren't cheating the machine. At some locations, there were some red painted coins used by the waitstaff to stimulate play. Any machine that was rotated into the shop for work had to have the playmeter and pop meter indicator wheels working because the route men used the readouts in their money talleys. The vendor had a chain restaurant account where the jukebox system with wallboxes were installed. These were the Seeburg LPC-1 with the SC-1 wallboxes. New LPC's were ordered with the income totalizer option installed, instead of a simple play counter. The totalizer registered plays made from the juke keyboard and any wallbox. This feature made the record-keeping job easier for the route guys that went out, collected the money and updated the records. The LPC machines (or their hideaway version, per the location requirement) got swapped out on a periodic basis for in-shop R n R to keep them running dependably. Some restaurant locations were a 2 to 3 hour drive away from home base, which made a trouble call costly. The playmeter on a juke can be looked at like a car's odometer, though , as others have pointed out, it's not a perfect reference, because meters get changed, they fail etc. It can be good general indicator of jukebox "mileage". Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=2VitatpsmppSopC8vWHj0QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 12:25:15 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Mon Jan 11 12:26:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: <20100111.150740.16940.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100111.150740.16940.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <5FD6E909A15C4123B0DC0048593B1B87@p4> Jim, Looking at my Wurlitzer Jukeboxes 1934- 1974 book, the 2800 was the first Wurli listed as having the Wurlitzer Cashrak added as an option. According to the add, The "Cashrak - Guards Operator Earnings: At small extra cost, The Wurlitzer CASHRAK electronically registers all coins, accumulates total. Saves collector;s time, bookkeepers time, eliminates all collection worries. Ace lock makes it tamperproof" - quoted from the book. Was skimming a huge issue? Other than the collector, which I assume worked for the Operator (vendor?) who else had a key to the cash box? Were there instances where the collector and the location manager were in cahoots and took a little off the top for themselves? Was there a typical split of funds.....50/50.....60/40...ect? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:08 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Gentlemen: Back when I was working for a vending operator, they paid attention to the playmeter readings in their 60's-era Wurlitzers to balance against the coin "take" to make sure that people weren't cheating the machine. At some locations, there were some red painted coins used by the waitstaff to stimulate play. Any machine that was rotated into the shop for work had to have the playmeter and pop meter indicator wheels working because the route men used the readouts in their money talleys. The vendor had a chain restaurant account where the jukebox system with wallboxes were installed. These were the Seeburg LPC-1 with the SC-1 wallboxes. New LPC's were ordered with the income totalizer option installed, instead of a simple play counter. The totalizer registered plays made from the juke keyboard and any wallbox. This feature made the record-keeping job easier for the route guys that went out, collected the money and updated the records. The LPC machines (or their hideaway version, per the location requirement) got swapped out on a periodic basis for in-shop R n R to keep them running dependably. Some restaurant locations were a 2 to 3 hour drive away from home base, which made a trouble call costly. The playmeter on a juke can be looked at like a car's odometer, though , as others have pointed out, it's not a perfect reference, because meters get changed, they fail etc. It can be good general indicator of jukebox "mileage". Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=2VitatpsmppSopC8vWHj0QAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release Date: 01/11/10 01:35:00 From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 12:29:02 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Mon Jan 11 12:30:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: <5FD6E909A15C4123B0DC0048593B1B87@p4> References: <20100111.150740.16940.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> <5FD6E909A15C4123B0DC0048593B1B87@p4> Message-ID: Correction....looks like it was the 2900 series of 65' and not the 2800 series where this was introduced. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of SSG Rich Myers Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:25 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Jim, Looking at my Wurlitzer Jukeboxes 1934- 1974 book, the 2800 was the first Wurli listed as having the Wurlitzer Cashrak added as an option. According to the add, The "Cashrak - Guards Operator Earnings: At small extra cost, The Wurlitzer CASHRAK electronically registers all coins, accumulates total. Saves collector;s time, bookkeepers time, eliminates all collection worries. Ace lock makes it tamperproof" - quoted from the book. Was skimming a huge issue? Other than the collector, which I assume worked for the Operator (vendor?) who else had a key to the cash box? Were there instances where the collector and the location manager were in cahoots and took a little off the top for themselves? Was there a typical split of funds.....50/50.....60/40...ect? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:08 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Gentlemen: Back when I was working for a vending operator, they paid attention to the playmeter readings in their 60's-era Wurlitzers to balance against the coin "take" to make sure that people weren't cheating the machine. At some locations, there were some red painted coins used by the waitstaff to stimulate play. Any machine that was rotated into the shop for work had to have the playmeter and pop meter indicator wheels working because the route men used the readouts in their money talleys. The vendor had a chain restaurant account where the jukebox system with wallboxes were installed. These were the Seeburg LPC-1 with the SC-1 wallboxes. New LPC's were ordered with the income totalizer option installed, instead of a simple play counter. The totalizer registered plays made from the juke keyboard and any wallbox. This feature made the record-keeping job easier for the route guys that went out, collected the money and updated the records. The LPC machines (or their hideaway version, per the location requirement) got swapped out on a periodic basis for in-shop R n R to keep them running dependably. Some restaurant locations were a 2 to 3 hour drive away from home base, which made a trouble call costly. The playmeter on a juke can be looked at like a car's odometer, though , as others have pointed out, it's not a perfect reference, because meters get changed, they fail etc. It can be good general indicator of jukebox "mileage". Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=2VitatpsmppSopC8vWHj0QAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release Date: 01/11/10 01:35:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release Date: 01/11/10 01:35:00 From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 11 12:46:13 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Jan 11 12:47:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan gutted!! Oh My!! Message-ID: <471492.56189.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jackie, Yes, for that slideshow you can hover your mouse pointer over the pictures that are floating by and slow the show down by moving the mouse right, left or center to freeze the show. Personally, I think it's overly fancy and hard to deal with. That's why I sent a follow up posting with just a static photobucket presentation. Thanks for the link (again). I forgot just how beat up your Trashcan was when you started out. You really performed a resurrection miracle!! I was hoping you had some closeups of your selection panel before you painted it. I think I have a similar faux wood grain under the miserable paint job on mine. I'd like to strip that paint off to reveal the original finish but I'm afraid I'll take everything off down to the bare metal. In any case, I'll probably need to have that panel re-done. I have been thinking of perhaps buying some self-sticking wood grain shelf liner, warming it up with a hair dryer and stretching it over the cover (to prevent wrinkling over the curved surface). I actually woke up in the middle of the night with this idea... shows I've got this doggone box on my mind! There is a 'thing' on the bottom of your door (before you took it off) that looks to be what's left of a colored plastic diffuser, similar to that kludge at the bottom of my door. Yours probably got melted by someone putting in a too-high wattage bulb or something. This leads me to think that Seeburg had something in place here when these babies were first born. Ultimately, I'd still like to fit animation units in the top and bottom holes. I have been thinking of retro-fitting the VG dome animation units for the door holes. I gotta think about it. A couple of other list members offered help in this regard. One way or another I'm gonna make this happen. I'm rambling so I'll sign off now. More to come, I promise Bob >Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:52:03 -0500 >From: Jackie Elgie >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan gutted!! Oh My!! >To: Jukebox mailing list >Message-ID: <19A34151-3FB8-4FBB-8339-FF3110595B43@verizon.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Hi Bob, >is there a way to look at your photobucket without it scrolling? Also, the door doesn't look anything like mine, go to my >photobucket...maybe it will give you an idea, this is getting exciting!!! > >http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc134/jukejackie/?action=view¤t=DSCN1819-1.jpg > >Jackie From jeremy at dwave.net Mon Jan 11 12:58:50 2010 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Mon Jan 11 13:00:30 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Play meters (was: Re: A Self-sustaining Hobby) In-Reply-To: <20100111.120420.17650.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100111.120420.17650.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20100111205747.M81167@dwave.net> Thanks Jim for explaining your reasons. Sounds like you have a nice one there. Jeremy Agema On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:04:20 GMT, James Alexander wrote > Jeremy: > > The playmeter on this Seeburg juke is a 5 digit counter with a max number of 99,999, like you said. ? This partricular STD-3 juke was in use commercial use early in it's life. It developed an intermittent problem in the tormat system, that stumped local repair technicians, so the vendor-owner ?chucked it ?into ?the back of ?his warehouse. > > Everything is in nice enough condition where you can tell this unit really has only 39000 plays. ? ?With time taking it s toll , the tormat, amp, etc have all had to be recapped, reworked. ?Tormat/microlog problem has been solved. ? ?Looks perfect, sounds wonderful. > > There just isn't much sales appeal to this unit right now, unless you give it away for pennies on the dollar. ? > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Weight Loss Program > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=f_33SA5mxo1jTPZa4HRUswAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 13:05:59 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 13:07:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: <4B4B7E0F.4060301@west.net> Message-ID: <242720.68736.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, and all, The Seeburg Income Totalizer System (ITS) was standard on all LPC models, and on the APFEA-1 model. If the main phonograph ID tad was marked with an "R" on the LPC phono's, the ITS kept track of the Consolettets coin drop too. If not marked as an "R" (stood for "Remote (Stepper")), there was a "Remote" kit that was available for the ITS. The kit only, was available for the APFEA-1. The whole ITS system was an option after those models, with or without the "Remote" function. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 11:37 AM Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > Here's a little insight from within the operators world. The meters were (also) used for collections. > The numbers could be divided to account for skimming during collections.? One company I knew (I knew the owner and hung out there) were adamant about taking meter readings.? of course, multi-pricing ( 2/.25 or 5/.50 ) would affect these numbers slightly, but not that much. On the later Seeburgs there was an option of an "Income Totalizer" for this very reason.? Separate from the play counter, it kept track of actual coin switch activations and displayed in dollars and cents.? It was built so as to be somewhat difficult to tamper with, as I recall a big carriage bolt and perhaps a secondary lock on it internally.? I remember seeing one on an LPC-1 some time ago. As far as I know, the Income Totalizer tracked only deposits to the main jukebox (not wallboxes).? The play counter kept track of all selections. So it would seem that the play counter is more useful for maintenance such as lubrication and stylus replacement.? It is not really accurate for counting cash, especially with mini-LPs and wallboxes in the mix. The play counter should show serious skimming I would think. By the way, I seem to recall that it was common back in the day for operators to give location owners a few quarters marked with red nail polish to use to stimulate play.? These would get separated out and returned to the location owner when the coin bag was emptied.? I remember occasionally getting quarters as change with red marks on them, probably "leaked" coins from this type of arrangement.? Never see them recently. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jan 11 13:43:11 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jan 11 13:45:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Message-ID: <20100111.164311.20512.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Have seen many Seeb. LPC-1's back in the day, when they were current, that did not have the totalizer in place. Removed after the fact? That's why I thougt this was an option feature. Most of the Seeb. LPC-1's that were bought new by my former employer were LPC-1R models that had a totalizer and a stepper switch chassis installed. At some of these locations, an LPC-1 hideaway master unit was provided, with the same equipment. Most of the locations where Wurlitzer jukes were used were not set up for wall box operation. These were generally 2500 thru 3200 models, if I recall. There were some places that had W2900 jukes, set up for wallbox operation. These should have had the cashrak system in place. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Medical Insurance Get Medical Insurance quotes and compare plans. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ssM5ze1Kxp0ksSYyeo4HYQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQVgAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 15:09:17 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 15:10:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: <20100111.164311.20512.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <302497.36142.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, The ITS tended to be removed after the second "coin jam". The reason for this was that someone replaced the 1/2 amp amp fuse with a larger value, upon the first jam. Once that was done, the contacts inside the ITS were guaranteed to fuse together upon the next coin jam. Once fused together, no fuse would hold in the 1/2 amp hole, so the easy way "out" was to remove the ITS (provided you had the key !) As for the "hideaway versions", there was a slight difference in that they were equipped with the optional TCC-2, rather then the TCC-1 Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 1:43 PM Gentlemen: Have seen many Seeb. LPC-1's back in the day, when they were current, that did not have the totalizer in place.? Removed after the fact????That's why I thougt this was an option feature.??? Most of the Seeb. LPC-1's that were bought new by my former employer were LPC-1R models that had a totalizer and a stepper switch chassis installed.??? At some of these locations, an LPC-1 hideaway master unit was provided, with the same equipment. Most of the locations where Wurlitzer jukes were used were not set up for wall box operation.???These were generally 2500 thru 3200 models, if I recall.? There were some places that had W2900 jukes, set up for wallbox operation.? These should have had the cashrak system in place. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Medical Insurance Get Medical Insurance quotes and compare plans. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ssM5ze1Kxp0ksSYyeo4HYQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQVgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 11 15:24:39 2010 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Jan 11 15:26:17 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B amplifier Poor Bass Response Message-ID: I've been following the post about the C amp and have an amp issue myself. I recapped an already working and good sounding "B" amp at my friends request. Now there seems to be very little bass response at any volume level. I'm not sure what happened. I replaced one at a time. What could have changed to alter the sound so drastically? Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 15:37:23 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 15:39:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B amplifier Poor Bass Response In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <393502.15714.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, Every time I have seen something like that happen, someone's placed a lead on the wrong post--could also be a solder short, "cold" (or "dry") solder or wires touching---or (rare) a bad new cap. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B amplifier Poor Bass Response To: "jukebox list" Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 3:24 PM I've been following the post about the C amp and have an amp issue myself.? I recapped an already working and good sounding "B" amp at my friends request. Now there seems to be very little bass response at any volume level. I'm not sure what happened. I replaced one at a time. What could have changed to alter the sound so drastically? Rick ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jan 11 15:47:07 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jan 11 15:48:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Message-ID: Ron, I do believe you're mistaken. R means it came with a stepper from the factory. I'm pretty sure the brochure lists the totalizer as an option, as many LPCs have a painted plate over the hole pre cut for the totalizer. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 15:53:37 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Jan 11 15:55:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan gutted!! Oh My!! In-Reply-To: <352012.51612.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <931963.88707.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, NotarySojac wrote: > Here is a slideshow of the carnage: > > http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/?action=view¤t=34e2e38e.pbw Is there any way to just LOOK at these pictures without having to chase them with your mouse as they float by like some sort of video game? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 15:54:43 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Jan 11 15:56:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan gutted!! Oh My!! In-Reply-To: <213989.74007.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <670483.88739.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, NotarySojac wrote: > Here is a non-glitzy link to the pix in the slideshow: > > http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Gutted/ Oh... Never mind. :-) From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 16:02:27 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Mon Jan 11 16:04:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 478 Mystic Message-ID: Working on my Uncles recently acquired 478. Just installed a new stylus and already have 100% sound improvement. It is using the Shure M44MR cart. One of the woofers is missing and the other was replaced with a smaller one currently hanging on by one mounting screw :-( I know these are supposed to be 12 inch woofers, but cannot locate in the documentation what ohm they are supposed to be. Can some one help me out? I am looking to replace once I get specs. Also, there is not a lot of bass. Not sure if that is because one speaker is missing and there is no load or what. Could the wrong ohm speaker influence this? I appreciate all the help. Rich From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 16:15:06 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 16:16:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <448152.36777.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle, Wanna "put your money where your mouth is"--let me know how much, as I need some today-- ?--No "CRS" on this one, and you are correct the "R" stood for "Remote" ("stepper") as I originally wrote. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 3:47 PM Ron, I do believe you're mistaken. R means it came with a stepper from the factory. I'm pretty sure the brochure lists the totalizer as an option, as many LPCs have a painted plate over the hole pre cut for the totalizer. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jan 11 16:32:22 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jan 11 16:33:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola 478 Mystic Message-ID: Rich, Be sure to use a genuine Shure stylus. Genereics will eventually scrape up the plastic 45s. Yes, about 1/2 of American 45s are plastic, not vinyl. Generics "seem fine" at first, but the plastic records will soon suffer. Many of the Rock Ola's of this era have poor bass. My nearly identical 474 suffers from it. It's not terrible, but not fantastic. Amp was rebuilt by Charlie Maier. It can still rock a living room like nobody's business. Since the woofers are right next to the mechanism, I'm pretty sure this was done on purpose to avoid feedback. The Seeburgs and AMIs of the era have a separate chamber and they have great bass. You have, obviously, 1 to 3 issues: 1. Missing speaker. 2. Current speaker wrong wattage or resistance rating. 3. Current speaker phased wrong (+ and - reversed, so bass pumping back into the cabinet instead of out into the room). I'd go on line and see if you can find a pair of Rock Ola speakers on eBay. They seem to come up all the time. My friend has my 474 manual (with the jukebox). I could have him try to look up the impedance. It's 8, 12, or 16. Bill Butterfield (Musical Fun For Everyone) has a lot of speakers on hand, and I'm sure he'd do a pair for a good price. Tell him Kyle suggested him. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 16:33:28 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 16:35:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 478 Mystic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <825766.87878.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, I don't know the values they used--but I suggest that you get the correct ones, used, from one of the usual suspects--? "Wrong" speakers always sound "wrong"--- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 478 Mystic To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 4:02 PM Working on my Uncles recently acquired 478. Just installed a new stylus and already have 100% sound improvement.? It is using the Shure M44MR cart.? One of the woofers is missing and the other was replaced with a smaller one currently hanging on by one mounting screw :-( I know these are supposed to be 12 inch woofers, but cannot locate in the documentation what ohm they are supposed to be.? Can some one help me out? I am looking to replace once I get specs. Also, there is not a lot of bass.? Not sure if that is because one speaker is missing and there is no load or what.? Could the wrong ohm speaker influence this? I appreciate all the help. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jan 11 16:41:29 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jan 11 16:43:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Message-ID: Ron, After another reply I went back and reread tour post. It wasn't immediately clear what you wrote. I thought at first you were saying that all LPCs were equipped with them. I'm sure now you were saying that if it was ordered with a stepper, it came also with a totalizer. I don't recall seeing one of these working. They probabaly served their purpose for a few years and then the machines were moved to C and D locations and it mattered less. As for collection skimming, it certainly would be easy enough. I knew of one vending company who sent two guys everywhere to collect. I guess they thought it was better to pay a whole second person than to lose a little off the top. This was only like 8 years ago. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 16:52:40 2010 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Jan 11 16:54:17 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 478 Mystic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you have the parts manual handy and know the part number of the speaker, I might have a set of speakers (or just one) available. All my manuals are in boxes at the moment. (or look at the back of the speaker you have that you have and give me the numbers off the back). Most of my speakers are still accessible, but within a couple of months they also will be in boxes until late summer at the earliest. Contact me off-list. Thomas On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:02 PM, SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Working on my Uncles recently acquired 478. Just installed a new stylus and > already have 100% sound improvement. It is using the Shure M44MR cart. > One > of the woofers is missing and the other was replaced with a smaller one > currently hanging on by one mounting screw :-( > > > > I know these are supposed to be 12 inch woofers, but cannot locate in the > documentation what ohm they are supposed to be. Can some one help me out? > I am looking to replace once I get specs. > > > > Also, there is not a lot of bass. Not sure if that is because one speaker > is missing and there is no load or what. Could the wrong ohm speaker > influence this? > > > > I appreciate all the help. > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jan 11 17:00:33 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jan 11 17:02:10 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola 478 Mystic Message-ID: Thomas. The one speaker he has is only an 8 inch, so incorrect. Someone obviously took the correct 10" or 12" woofers out of it. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco "One of the woofers is missing and the other was replaced with a smaller one currently hanging on by one mounting screw :-( " In other words, BOTH are missing ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 17:06:44 2010 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Jan 11 17:08:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: <4B4B7E0F.4060301@west.net> References: <4B4B7E0F.4060301@west.net> Message-ID: Jay, Wurlitzer also had a similar option called an "Income Computer". I have only seen one that I parted out from a model 3300 several years ago (I still have it). It has a visual display of what i believe to be the total amount of money taken into the machine (the digits on mine read 1415105- probably too high for a play meter), PLUS has a slot to insert a form. According to the instructions , you put the form in the slot, pull the handle out on the side, and return . It also has the notice that "warning device sounds while form is being printed. ceases when handle is returned. I'm not sure what all is printed when you do this, but probably the just the income recorded into the device (The unit has its own lock/key). I kind of wish I had a working Wurlitzer to experiment it on) Thomas On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > >> >> Here's a little insight from within the operators world. The meters were >> (also) used for collections. >> The numbers could be divided to account for skimming during collections. >> One company I knew (I knew the owner and hung out there) were adamant about >> taking meter readings. of course, multi-pricing ( 2/.25 or 5/.50 ) would >> affect these numbers slightly, but not that much. >> > > On the later Seeburgs there was an option of an "Income Totalizer" for this > very reason. Separate from the play counter, it kept track of actual coin > switch activations and displayed in dollars and cents. It was built so as > to be somewhat difficult to tamper with, as I recall a big carriage bolt and > perhaps a secondary lock on it internally. I remember seeing one on an > LPC-1 some time ago. > > As far as I know, the Income Totalizer tracked only deposits to the main > jukebox (not wallboxes). The play counter kept track of all selections. > > So it would seem that the play counter is more useful for maintenance such > as lubrication and stylus replacement. It is not really accurate for > counting cash, especially with mini-LPs and wallboxes in the mix. The play > counter should show serious skimming I would think. > > By the way, I seem to recall that it was common back in the day for > operators to give location owners a few quarters marked with red nail polish > to use to stimulate play. These would get separated out and returned to the > location owner when the coin bag was emptied. I remember occasionally > getting quarters as change with red marks on them, probably "leaked" coins > from this type of arrangement. Never see them recently. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 17:09:24 2010 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Jan 11 17:11:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola 478 Mystic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Kyle, I guess didn't read his original post real well- time to break out the parts manual! :) Thomas On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. < mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Thomas. > The one speaker he has is only an 8 inch, so incorrect. Someone obviously > took the correct 10" or 12" woofers out of it. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > "One of the woofers is missing and the other was replaced with a smaller > one currently hanging on by one mounting screw :-( " > > In other words, BOTH are missing ;-) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jan 11 17:12:20 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jan 11 17:16:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Message-ID: <20100111.201220.16223.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Ron: I have to disagee with you on this one. Back in the day, I remember seeing LPC's in "nice" condition that had a blue painted steel plate (matched the mechanism paint) installed on the cabinet where the totalizer would be mounted. If a vendor had removed the ITS this hole wouldn't have been trimmed out this nicely. Don't remember if these machines with no ITS had the stepper chassis in place or what the LPC suffix model number was, but there were a lot of these set up this way. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Liposuction Win the battle of the bulge with great liposuction solutions. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Pnub8Xq2sj4FlF5NWpF1TQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASMAAAAAA= From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jan 11 17:30:40 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jan 11 17:32:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Message-ID: Jim, I don't think he meant to imply that all LPC1s or LPC1Rs came with Income Totalizers. They obviously didn't. Yup, definitely a blue plate in place of the optional totalizer. The brochure I'm pretty sure lists it as an option, doesn't say anything about it being included with a stepper. That really wouldn't make sense. Seeburg sold accessories piecemeal, not in packages. Someone may have ordered 20 LPC1Rs with both, but that doesn't mean that's the only way they came. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 17:32:19 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Mon Jan 11 17:34:04 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola 478 Mystic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My copy of the parts manual only lists it as a 12" speaker. Part number 51781 on page ll of the parts manual. Does this help? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Teeter Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:09 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola 478 Mystic Thanks Kyle, I guess didn't read his original post real well- time to break out the parts manual! :) Thomas On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. < mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Thomas. > The one speaker he has is only an 8 inch, so incorrect. Someone obviously > took the correct 10" or 12" woofers out of it. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > "One of the woofers is missing and the other was replaced with a smaller > one currently hanging on by one mounting screw :-( " > > In other words, BOTH are missing ;-) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release Date: 01/11/10 13:35:00 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jan 11 17:48:46 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jan 11 17:52:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 478 Mystic Message-ID: <20100111.204846.18753.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Rich: All of the 70's-80's RockOla juke speaker systems used 8 ohm 12" woofers with high resonance resonance cones that had a 40 oz magnet structure. These are coupled (using a high freq blocking capacitor) to 5" x 7" oval speakers that are mounted in the top door of the juke near ear level. The 5 x 7"s are 16 ohms impedance. To verify this I looked up the info in a 454 service manual. I don't know if getting you an RO part number is going to be helpful----RO changed the part number of the same part with the rollout each new model family That same 12" speaker carried forward from model to model probably has more than a dozen part numbers. It depends upon in which manual you look for it. The same speaker setup was used on all full size Rocks like the 437's of the 60 's up to the mid 80's models like the 488. The little Princess machines had different speaker schemes. Speakers out of any of these 160-play models should interchange and be a good fit. There are frequent sellers of these speakers on E Bay, with bids opening at $9.95 I paged through RO on E Bay last Thursday--some were listed there then. The loss of low bass response is coming from the improper, not mounted speakers. Replacing them and mounting them properly will probably solve your problem. Comparable new speakers from Parts Express will probably cost $50-60 ea. The Shure M44RMC phono cart. is a special M44C made by Shure for RO. The two plastic mounting bosses are altered slightly from the standard M44 to fit the RO tone arm mounts. Electrically the same, uses the same stylii. ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=FZeJ2-AbRGHktMXX2hqJywAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jan 11 18:21:17 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jan 11 18:24:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Message-ID: <20100111.212117.18753.2@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Rich: The company I worked for made a pretty big deal out of turning in coinbox receipts from their jukes and recording the entries properly. In the 60's the general agreement in use is that the coinbox take was split 50/50 with the jukebox owner. This was a negotiated number that could change, based on several factors. If the company put out the capital to install additional sound systems and wallboxes, the the split would be 60/40. The biggest "shrinkage" loss I can remember the way that customers (usually kids) tried to cheat the machines and wallboxes for free plays. There was something that could be done with the Seeburg SC-1 wallboxes to gain a lot of free plays, (usually a dollar's worth by depositing a quarter) but I don't remember what the trick was. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=J6kYNxohr2DcUsEOMUjbFgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 19:37:25 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 19:39:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <502711.40751.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle, Shucks--no money--oh, well what kin I said ? I have repaired ("rebuilt"?) hundreds of them, they were fine as long as the fuse size was not compromised-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 4:41 PM Ron, After another reply I went back and reread tour post. It wasn't immediately clear what you wrote. I thought at first you were saying that all LPCs were equipped with them. I'm sure now you were saying that if it was ordered with a stepper, it came also with a totalizer. I don't recall seeing one of these working. They probabaly served their purpose for a few years and then the machines were moved to C and D locations and it mattered less. As for collection skimming, it certainly would be easy enough.? I knew of one vending company who sent two guys everywhere to collect. I guess they thought it was better to pay a whole second person than to lose a little off the top.? This was only like 8 years ago. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Mon Jan 11 19:38:20 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Mon Jan 11 19:40:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Teardrop Speaker Colours Message-ID: <000801ca9338$af6dc9e0$48944e18@compaq> A while back, a member asked about the beige colour on the Seeburg teardrop speakers. I am restoring my speaker ( the big one ) this week. Someone painted it red and it looked ugly. Anyway, I was trying to find the original beige color. So, here is a tip I just learned. The beige used on the speaker is the exact same color as the coin door and side speaker outer rings on a Seeburg R. Also, Krylon ( Almond colour ) spray can is very very close to the colour. Mine is being painted at the body shop at work and they are colour matching to my coin door I supplied off my R. If you don't have these resources, the Krylon almond would work great. Hope this helps. Someone else also mentioned that there is a possibility that the ( small ) teardrop speakers did not come this colour originally. I don't think that is true fact. I have seen lots of the small one in beige. All the big ones definately came beige. Joey McDonald From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 19:51:59 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 19:53:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <543355.87971.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thomas, The later model Seeburgs (starting with the SS-160) had what they called the "Recording Income Totalizer System". Later thi was renamed "Digital Recording ITS". This worked exactly as you are describing the Wurly system. Someplace around here, I still have a packet of the forms used. Two or three thick with carbon(less?--don't recall) paper in between them. You slipped the form into the ITS, and the embossed numbers ($ figures) were transfered to the form. It also had the same warning and a red light that would remain on till the handle was ALL the way back.? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 5:06 PM Jay, Wurlitzer also had a similar option called an "Income Computer". I have only seen one that I parted out from a model 3300 several years ago (I still have it). It has a visual display of what i believe to be the total amount of money taken into the machine (the digits on mine read 1415105- probably too high for a play meter), PLUS has a slot to insert a form. According to the instructions , you put the form in the slot, pull the handle out on the side, and return . It also has the notice that "warning device sounds while form is being printed. ceases when handle is returned. I'm not sure what all is printed when you do this, but probably the just the income recorded into the device (The unit has its own lock/key). I kind of wish I had a working Wurlitzer to experiment it on) Thomas On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > >> >> Here's a little insight from within the operators world. The meters were >> (also) used for collections. >> The numbers could be divided to account for skimming during collections. >>? One company I knew (I knew the owner and hung out there) were adamant about >> taking meter readings.? of course, multi-pricing ( 2/.25 or 5/.50 ) would >> affect these numbers slightly, but not that much. >> > > On the later Seeburgs there was an option of an "Income Totalizer" for this > very reason.? Separate from the play counter, it kept track of actual coin > switch activations and displayed in dollars and cents.? It was built so as > to be somewhat difficult to tamper with, as I recall a big carriage bolt and > perhaps a secondary lock on it internally.? I remember seeing one on an > LPC-1 some time ago. > > As far as I know, the Income Totalizer tracked only deposits to the main > jukebox (not wallboxes).? The play counter kept track of all selections. > > So it would seem that the play counter is more useful for maintenance such > as lubrication and stylus replacement.? It is not really accurate for > counting cash, especially with mini-LPs and wallboxes in the mix. The play > counter should show serious skimming I would think. > > By the way, I seem to recall that it was common back in the day for > operators to give location owners a few quarters marked with red nail polish > to use to stimulate play.? These would get separated out and returned to the > location owner when the coin bag was emptied.? I remember occasionally > getting quarters as change with red marks on them, probably "leaked" coins > from this type of arrangement.? Never see them recently. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 19:57:19 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 19:58:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: <20100111.201220.16223.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <829764.63115.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, I'll bet you too--come on--I need the money ! "Someone" may have painted and installed those "covers", but I can guarantee you it was NOT done at 1500 Dayton St !? The sales brochure makes a BIG DEAL of the ITS as STANDARD equipment--also is in the service manual an I&O Manuals as standard equipment.? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 5:12 PM Ron:? I have to disagee with you on this one.? Back in the day, I remember seeing LPC's in "nice" condition that had a blue painted steel plate? (matched the mechanism paint) installed on the cabinet where the totalizer would be mounted. If a vendor had removed the ITS this hole wouldn't have been trimmed out this nicely.? ? Don't remember if these machines with no ITS had the stepper chassis in place or what the LPC suffix model number was, but? there were a lot of these set up this way. 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Regards Jason From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 20:04:08 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 20:05:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <136528.4591.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy's, The part of an ITS that was a "kit" was the portion that controlled the Consolettes, and was inserted into the ITS.? If you purchased an "R" model, this part, along with the stepper was pre-installed. If you purchased the stepper kit for a "non R" model, this was included with the stepper kit.? Consolettes will NOT function without an ITS on a LPC type phono--unless you (know how to) "cheat" them.? Ron Rich . --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 5:30 PM Jim, I don't think he meant to imply that all LPC1s or LPC1Rs came with Income Totalizers. They obviously didn't.? Yup, definitely a blue plate in place of the optional totalizer. The brochure I'm pretty sure lists it as an option, doesn't say anything about it being included with a stepper. That really wouldn't make sense.? Seeburg sold accessories piecemeal, not in packages. Someone may have ordered 20 LPC1Rs with both, but that doesn't mean that's the only way they came. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 20:11:12 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 20:12:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: <20100111.212117.18753.2@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <745126.59948.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, You "squooze" the bottom buttons upward--Seeburg came with an anti-cheat kit to solve that problem--and it did for us ! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 6:21 PM Rich: The company I worked for made a pretty big deal out of turning in coinbox receipts from their jukes and recording the entries properly.? ? In the 60's the general agreement in use is that the coinbox take was split 50/50 with the jukebox owner.? ? ???This was a negotiated number that could change, based on several factors.? ? If the company put out the capital to install additional sound systems and wallboxes, the the split would be 60/40.? The biggest "shrinkage" loss I can remember the way that customers (usually kids) tried to cheat the machines and wallboxes for free plays. There was something that could be done with the Seeburg SC-1 wallboxes to gain a lot of free plays, (usually a dollar's worth by depositing a quarter) but I don't remember what the trick was. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=J6kYNxohr2DcUsEOMUjbFgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 20:18:14 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 11 20:19:48 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Teardrop Speaker Colours In-Reply-To: <000801ca9338$af6dc9e0$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: <779606.24662.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Joey, Don't know, as I'm color blind--actually what's called "shade blind"--but I have seen a matching pair of the large ones that were black all over, and it did not appear to be a "paint" job. The color appeared to be embedded in the "plastic". Owner claimed them to never have been touched since they left the factory?? These also had on/off switches on them, along with a VC pot--all, including the speakers, xformer, and wiring, looked original too me--? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Teardrop Speaker Colours To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 7:38 PM A while back, a member asked about the beige colour on the Seeburg teardrop speakers. I am restoring my speaker ( the big one )? this week.? Someone painted it red and it looked ugly.? Anyway, I was trying to find the original beige color. So, here is a tip I just learned.? The beige used on the speaker is the exact same color as the coin door and side speaker outer rings on a Seeburg R. Also, Krylon ( Almond colour ) spray can is very very close to the colour. Mine is being painted at the body shop at work and they are colour matching to my coin door I supplied off my R.? If you don't have these resources, the Krylon almond would work great.? Hope this helps. Someone else also mentioned that there is a possibility that the ( small ) teardrop speakers did not come this colour originally.? I don't think that is true fact.? I have seen lots of the small one in beige.? All the big ones definately came beige. Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From caswellcivil2 at bigpond.com Mon Jan 11 20:21:39 2010 From: caswellcivil2 at bigpond.com (CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE) Date: Mon Jan 11 20:23:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: Trashcan Message-ID: <2BE3D3CFDBBD434291BDD4BDE1E13E0E@jason> ----- Original Message ----- From: CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:52 PM Subject: Trashcan I have just bought a Trashcan from th US to OZ and before I dig in to fixing this problem I would like a few pointers to what the problem maybe, I do have a manual but they are not always a great help. The problem is that it keeps playing records continuosly after the record is cancelled. I figure that it may be sticky selector pins but won't have a chance to look till the weekend and I want all the info/knowledge I can get before then. Thanks Jason From joe400f at shaw.ca Mon Jan 11 20:24:19 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Mon Jan 11 20:26:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Teardrop Speaker Colours References: <779606.24662.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01ca933f$1c132580$48944e18@compaq> Ron, you are probably correct. The point I was trying to make is that I am sure lots left the factory in beige. Small one and big ones. There is way too many beige ones out there for it not to be true. I have also seen the small ones in black and a dark " bakelite " colour brown that were not painted. Colour moulded in. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Teardrop Speaker Colours Joey, Don't know, as I'm color blind--actually what's called "shade blind"--but I have seen a matching pair of the large ones that were black all over, and it did not appear to be a "paint" job. The color appeared to be embedded in the "plastic". Owner claimed them to never have been touched since they left the factory? These also had on/off switches on them, along with a VC pot--all, including the speakers, xformer, and wiring, looked original too me-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Teardrop Speaker Colours To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 7:38 PM A while back, a member asked about the beige colour on the Seeburg teardrop speakers. I am restoring my speaker ( the big one ) this week. Someone painted it red and it looked ugly. Anyway, I was trying to find the original beige color. So, here is a tip I just learned. The beige used on the speaker is the exact same color as the coin door and side speaker outer rings on a Seeburg R. Also, Krylon ( Almond colour ) spray can is very very close to the colour. Mine is being painted at the body shop at work and they are colour matching to my coin door I supplied off my R. If you don't have these resources, the Krylon almond would work great. Hope this helps. Someone else also mentioned that there is a possibility that the ( small ) teardrop speakers did not come this colour originally. I don't think that is true fact. I have seen lots of the small one in beige. All the big ones definately came beige. Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From caswellcivil2 at bigpond.com Mon Jan 11 19:52:29 2010 From: caswellcivil2 at bigpond.com (CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE) Date: Mon Jan 11 21:39:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan Message-ID: <0E5DA436DACE4E13A85AF94185AAD7B0@jason> I have just bought a Trashcan from th US to OZ and before I dig in to fixing this problem I would like a few pointers to what the problem maybe, I do have a manual but they are not always a great help. The problem is that it keeps playing records continuosly after the record is cancelled. I figure that it may be sticky selector pins but won't have a chance to look till the weekend and I want all the info/knowledge I can get before then. Thanks Jason From commerciale at baldi.it Tue Jan 12 00:26:01 2010 From: commerciale at baldi.it (BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti) Date: Tue Jan 12 00:44:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? In-Reply-To: <4B4B6928.4070102@west.net> References: <9323BF7CAB224813A59F4AD0BD9D4004@PCStefano> <4B4B6928.4070102@west.net> Message-ID: Hi and many thanks for answer. This is my situation.. my Seeburg jukebox HF100G installed an amplifier for HF100C Seeburg jukebox and a new speaker . Everything works fine but I would like my juke was completely original. Now I have two original speakers for seeburg G. Can I install them on my amplifier Seeburg C ? or I must to buy a MRA4-L6 amplifier ? Thanks and sorry for my bad english :-) >> Hi, Just a question of curiosity.. >> >> I would like to know the name of the amplifier that was installed as >> standard on the Seeburg HF100G jukebox, and to know if this model >> (amplifier mra5-l6) is compatible. > > The G uses an MRA4-L6. > > Your MRA5-L6 is for the R series and won't work in a G without > modification. The G has a field-coil speaker and the R uses > permanent-magnet speakers. Thus, the MRA5-L6 doesn't have the field coil > DC output. The speaker plug is physically different, 4 pins vs. 6 pins. > > If someone has replaced the speaker in your G with a permanent magnet > type, then you should be OK but it won't be as original. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 06:27:44 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jan 12 06:29:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI B turntable In-Reply-To: <0BA8374CC6BE442A987836B27369AF75@jason> Message-ID: <21594.52322.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE wrote: > I Have just bought an AMI B from the > US to Oz and have a small problem. The turntable spins > but tonearm arm and record pick up mech are frozen. I dont > have a manual at the moment but any help will be > appreciated. When you say that the turntable spins, does it do that constantly, from the moment the machine is plugged in, or do you have to do something to make it get power? Does the record rack scan back and forth? When you say that the mechanism is "frozen" do you mean that it is entirely siezed up, os simply that the transfer arm motor is not getting power? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 06:30:38 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jan 12 06:32:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan In-Reply-To: <0E5DA436DACE4E13A85AF94185AAD7B0@jason> Message-ID: <232475.80263.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE wrote: > The > problem is that it keeps playing records continuosly after > the record is cancelled. I figure that it may be > sticky selector pins but won't have a chance to look till > the weekend and I want all the info/knowledge I can get > before then. Well, the first and most obvious question is, is it cancelling the selector pins? Does it play every record in sequence, or only some? Does the fault exist if the record plays through to the end, or only if you cancel it manually? From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Jan 12 07:38:02 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Tue Jan 12 07:40:04 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Teardrop Speaker Colours In-Reply-To: <779606.24662.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <779606.24662.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <269152D5-9BFA-4B04-86E0-7815D3F83C09@verizon.net> Hi Joey, I found a Teardrop Speaker last year at a little Amish Auction in Delaware and everything about the speaker screams original. The color is the Beige and as you said, appears to be baked into the plastic rather than painted. Jackie On Jan 11, 2010, at 11:18 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Joey, > Don't know, as I'm color blind--actually what's called "shade blind"--but I have seen a matching pair of the large ones that were black all over, and it did not appear to be a "paint" job. The color appeared to be embedded in the "plastic". Owner claimed them to never have been touched since they left the factory? These also had on/off switches on them, along with a VC pot--all, including the speakers, xformer, and wiring, looked original too me-- Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Joey McDonald wrote: > > From: Joey McDonald > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Teardrop Speaker Colours > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 7:38 PM > > A while back, a member asked about the beige colour on the Seeburg teardrop speakers. > I am restoring my speaker ( the big one ) this week. Someone painted it red and it looked > ugly. Anyway, I was trying to find the original beige color. > > So, here is a tip I just learned. The beige used on the speaker is the exact same color > as the coin door and side speaker outer rings on a Seeburg R. > Also, Krylon ( Almond colour ) spray can is very very close to the colour. > > Mine is being painted at the body shop at work and they are colour matching to my > coin door I supplied off my R. If you don't have these resources, the Krylon almond would > work great. Hope this helps. > > Someone else also mentioned that there is a possibility that the ( small ) teardrop speakers > did not come this colour originally. I don't think that is true fact. I have seen lots of the small > one in beige. All the big ones definately came beige. > > Joey McDonald > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 07:40:32 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Tue Jan 12 07:42:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi D40/D80 Message-ID: <523159338.8752601263310832037.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Does anyone know if this series had a cloth bag that fit down in the long coin box? I think it would have been loud when the initial coins were dropped. Rich From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jan 12 08:22:53 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jan 12 08:26:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Message-ID: <20100112.112253.15499.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: some info regarding jukebox collections,coin counts, and the amusement business in general. Here's more info I can remember re: LPC-1 systems. The LPC-1 jukes that I saw not equipped with ITS kits were being used in standalone applications (no wall boxes) in the 60's. I remember seeing 4 or 5 equipped like this. The LPC was a popular jukebox in the Detroit MI area in the mid 60's. The vending co. I worked for was ordering new LPC-1R jukes, used with SC-1 wallboxes for one particular family restaurant account. At a few of the locations, an equally equipped hideaway master unit had to be installed, as they couldn't devote the floor space to the console. Special effort was made to locate the hideaway cabinets in clean dry areas of the buildings. The restaurant floor plan, at many of their locations, had two subdividable dining rooms, where the booths in both were to be wallbox equipped. The doorwalls for either of these rooms could be set for meetings, parties, etc or thrown open for more general restaurant seating during busy periods. As part of the package we provided and installed a separate 4 channel sound system,outside the jukebox system. The system provided local PA for each of the meeting rooms, the general restaurant, and the front reception area (paging for people waiting to be seated) Music inputs to this system were a Muzak receiver, and the jukebox signal. The juke input was equipped with a priority switch so that the Muzak signal was muted if someone entered a selection at the main jukebox keyboard. The main juke cabinet speakers were reduced to minimum setting or shut off completely. While this is commonplace technology for commercial sound systems today, it was unique for the time and took a lot of switching to make it happen. A remote master wired volume control/reject sw was installed on the jukebox. Frequently, restaurant mgmt kept the background music turned off in the restaurant, letting the juke be the primary music source. If a selection was entered via any of the wallboxes, this switched on the wallbox speakers for 2 scans of the LPC-1 mechanism. The system was played frequently because people wanted to "buy in" to hear what was being played. In '63-'64 this was a new concept for a jukebox. Each restaurant had about 20-25 wallboxes. These systems were heavily played and took in a lot of money. There were about 40 locations within a 150 mile radius of Detroit MI. The company had 2 route men that normally made collections and updated the music. All collection counts were made with the route man and a restaurant manager participating. The coins were taken back to the office, and checks were cut to the restaurant for their share of the earnings. I was dispatched to locations when they had an equipment problem, and for periodic maintenance. The company kept a few backup jukes and wallboxes to deal with emergency breakdowns. Some of the company locations were neighborhood bars that had been juke customers for a long time. These locations normally had a Wurlitzer juke, with extension speakers. The company owner normally met with the bar owners himself to handle collections. These locations normally worked on a 50/50 split. The restaurant chain had a written agreement with the vending company. The split was less than half because of the heavy equipment investment by the vendor at all the locations. There seemed to be a way that people playing the wallboxes could cheat the system. Kids and teenagers seemed to be most aware of it. If I recall, you could deposit .25 to get a single/album credit, and somehow manipulate the selector buttons to get $1 dollar's worth of plays in albums and singles until the credit unit ran out. This happened enough where the route guys could determine, using the ITS, how much the system was being gamed. Hope this answers some questions about collections, skimming and Seeb. LPC-1's Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=vrqONIeTFQZAkKr-0dZsfgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 12 09:38:51 2010 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Tue Jan 12 09:40:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI B turntable In-Reply-To: <21594.52322.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <473812.22870.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi, There are 3 possibilities I would check first. 1. Check, clean and regap the the contacts in the main junction box at the left of the machine (looking from the back). 2. Make sure none of the carriage switches at the front of the machine are stuck. There should be a polished aluminium L shaped cover which has to be removed first to get at these. However, with a lot of machines I have seen this is missing. These should pivot as they glide across the record carriage bars. If one or both of these is jammed due to lack of lubrication, this may cause your problem. 3. Check the cam micro switch which sits behind the tone arm post. This is an oddball switch and finding a replacement will be difficult. Fortunately this switch comes apart with care. If its the original switch, you will likely find that the contacts are very dirty and pitted. A note of caution when taking this switch apart. There is a tiny spring inside which has a nasty habit of pinging out across the room. Oh the fun I have had searching for it on a patterned carpet. I would definately invest in a service manual which gives the correct instructions for setting up this switch. This switch is crucial to the correct operation of your machine. All 3 of the above will likely cause your machine to have the turntable spin, but will not allow a record (if it was playing) to be rejected either by pressing the reject button or tripping the microswitch at the foot of the tone arm post. Good luck and let us know how you go with this. I have owned my my AMI B for well over 12 years now with little or now problems. With a good 15inch speaker, rebuilt amp, its a great sounding machine. Well in my opinion anyway. Others may beg to differ. Let me know if I can be of any further help. Regards Gary --- On Tue, 12/1/10, David Breneman wrote: > From: David Breneman > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI B turntable > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 14:27 > --- On Mon, 1/11/10, CASWELL CIVIL > & LANDSCAPE > wrote: > > > I Have just bought an AMI B from the > > US to Oz and have a small problem.? The turntable > spins > > but tonearm arm and record pick up mech are frozen. I > dont > > have a manual at the moment but any help will be > > appreciated. > > When you say that the turntable spins, does it do that > constantly, from the moment the machine is plugged in, > or do you have to do something to make it get power? > Does the record rack scan back and forth?? When you > say that the mechanism is "frozen" do you mean that > it is entirely siezed up, os simply that the transfer > arm motor is not getting power? > > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From pinball at telus.net Tue Jan 12 11:33:01 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Jan 12 11:34:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi D40/D80 In-Reply-To: <523159338.8752601263310832037.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <523159338.8752601263310832037.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B4CCE6D.1050609@telus.net> 19k20@comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone know if this series had a cloth bag that fit down in the long coin box? I think it would have been loud when the initial coins were dropped. > > Rich > > Metal cash boxes often had a layer of felt on the bottom to muffle the sound...not sure if that was factory or not, but have seen it in a few older jukeboxes. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 12 13:16:02 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Tue Jan 12 13:17:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute Message-ID: <621720.32275.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I replaced most of the incandescent bulb in my '39 Rock-Ola Luxury Lightup with low profile CFL bulbs. These go into a standard-size light bulb socket and keep the machine nice and cool. They look pretty good, IMHO but take a little time to work their way to full brightness. I can live with this to keep those precious catalins from frying. Now I'm gazing at the pilaster wiring harness for the Trashcan. It has these BA15s SC Bayonet sockets for the little #81 light bulbs. These are 6.5W bulbs. It's hard to imagine these throwing off so much heat to shrink the pilasters but they seem to have done the dirty deed anyway. I remember when Jackie was dismantling her 'can she found a Christmas tree bulb kludge that turned her pilasters into a Dali painting. I'm just wondering if there's a way to substitute those #81 bulbs with CFL or LED bulbs? I did a web search but have not had any luck finding a bayonet LED or CFL bulb to fit thebayonet socket. Anybody out there have similar thoughts or found a way to cool things down in the Trashcan pilaster cavity? Bob - Chicago From jay at west.net Tue Jan 12 13:29:29 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jan 12 13:31:08 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute In-Reply-To: <621720.32275.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <621720.32275.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B4CE9B9.3040709@west.net> NotarySojac wrote: > Now I'm gazing at the pilaster wiring harness for the Trashcan. It has these BA15s SC Bayonet sockets for the little > #81 light bulbs. These are 6.5W bulbs. It's hard to imagine these throwing off so much heat to shrink the pilasters but > they seem to have done the dirty deed anyway. I'm not sure it's so much the bulbs as 60 years of being exposed to UV from sunlight and the environment. You might check out http://www.ledtronics.com/ but I think you'll find that the typical replacement LED bayonet based devices are intended as indicators and as such will have a relatively narrow viewing angle. For Trashcan pilasters you'll want an even glow to the top and sides. Custom-bent neon tubing and a transformer may be a possibility but likely cost-prohibitive. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinplayers at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 13:37:58 2010 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Tue Jan 12 13:39:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C SA Unit problems-- In-Reply-To: <569126.63347.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8cf1842e1001101111p59f90d4arbf36d0c2240a6107@mail.gmail.com> <569126.63347.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e1001121337r14178a1eh7404cd881d6d98f6@mail.gmail.com> As a followup I spoke with the repair person they reassured me they tested the unit fully before leaving their shop. They explained that it could be the carriage adjustment or a contact switch in the mech. I went back and adjusted the contact block per seeburg manual and tested every selection. All selections work with the exception of C1 C3 C5 the pin is in he right position but the mech just scans by all three. What is the sequence that should happen I assuming the selector contacts come in contact with the selection lever causing the mech to stop and pickup the record. Is there anything electrical internal to the pinbank to assist or is this all mechanical at this point? Don On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Donald, > That's a canOworms--- > Could be that the rebuilder installed that segment "a little off", or > installed the pins backwards, IF, that's the ONLY section doing that---. > Could be that it's a "little off", and the "W" contact adjustment is dirty, > or not quite perfectly set either. > Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Donald Whiting wrote: > > From: Donald Whiting > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:11 AM > > Cleaning the connectors corrected the problem but I fix one and another > appears yeah:-( Now what I have is if I select C1 or C# the pins are set > but > all I get is a constant scan with no pickup. When It scans by on the odd > numbers I hear a relay kick but that's it. It just scans nonstop. > > Don. > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Donald Whiting >wrote: > > > Ok Thanks Ron, I have some plastic safe cleaner I'll use it and flush > them > > out good. Then I'll blow them out let dry and give it a go.. > > I'll post the results. > > > > Don. > > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Ron Rich > wrote: > > > >> Paul, > >> Yep--you's got some kinda "crap" in the female socket--you may leave > those > >> plugs plugged into each other, if you do not want to use a wallbox. > >> What I usually do in thaat case is remove the WSR from the phono, set it > >> "upside down, and spray the socket with a non residue, plastic safe > solvent. > >> Then I use my air hose on it, and finish it off with DeOxIt. That's > about > >> 97% effective--- > >> Good luck, Ron Rich > >> > >> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Donald Whiting wrote: > >> > >> From: Donald Whiting > >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more > >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 8:50 AM > >> > >> OK I have removed and inserted the Pinbank Plug several times as well as > >> the > >> Key selection Pug with no improvement. I connected the Pinbank and > >> selector > >> directly together and it selects fine. I pulled the CCU unit to clean > the > >> connectors ant to visually inspect the solder for the two connectors. I > >> see > >> that the two connectors are wired (jumped pin for pin) so it looks like > it > >> has to be the the connectors themselves correct? > >> > >> Thanks Don. > >> > >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Donald Whiting > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Thanks for the suggestions Ron I will give them a try tomorrow and > post > >> the > >> > results. I did replace the 1 ohm resistor when I recapped the CCU unit > >> the > >> > original one had broken. > >> > > >> > Don. > >> > > >> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Ron Rich > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Don, > >> >> If it's been one correctly, the only thing that could be giving you a > >> >> problem is the plug. Un plug it and re-plug it several times, then > try > >> it. > >> >> If it still has the same problems, try plugging in directly to the > >> keyboard > >> >> plug--if it's still the same, either you have problems within the > unit, > >> or > >> >> the keyboard ladder switches. Check the one ohm resistor on the CCU > >> also. It > >> >> must NOT be jumper-ed ! Ron Rich > >> >> > >> >> --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Donald Whiting wrote: > >> >> > >> >> From: Donald Whiting > >> >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume update and more > >> >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> >> Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 5:10 PM > >> >> > >> >> I wanted to post an update to the issue I was having with an amp that > I > >> >> had > >> >> rebuilt but continued to experience low volume. Well it turned out to > >> be a > >> >> bad output transformer. After the transformer was replaced it sounds > >> great > >> >> with plenty of volume. Glad that part is over. Now onto my next > problem > >> >> the > >> >> pinbank. As suggested I sent the pinbank out to be cleaned and > >> serviced. > >> >> When I sent it out 3 out of the 5 bank sections would not select. > When > >> I > >> >> got > >> >> it back I thought I had tested all letter groupings but later that > >> night I > >> >> noticed the K&L group was not selecting. Then today I go out open up > >> the > >> >> pinbank to see if there something obvious like a broken wire from > >> shipping > >> >> or something like that. Didn't find anything so I run through testing > >> each > >> >> letter group. Now not only does K&L not work but C&D are not working. > >> Any > >> >> ideas on what would cause this behaviour? I haven't contacted the > place > >> I > >> >> sent it to as yet because I thought is was working when I got it back > >> just > >> >> 2 > >> >> days ago. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks Don. > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jeffzurn at cox.net Tue Jan 12 13:35:16 2010 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Tue Jan 12 13:43:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute References: <621720.32275.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401ca93cf$2188d790$2cff4109@IBMCamargo> I think these are the same size... http://www.centsibleamusements.com/pinball-led-44-47.aspx Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute >I replaced most of the incandescent bulb in my '39 Rock-Ola Luxury Lightup >with low profile CFL bulbs. > These go into a standard-size light bulb socket and keep the machine nice > and cool. They look pretty good, IMHO > but take a little time to work their way to full brightness. I can live > with this to keep those precious catalins from > frying. > > Now I'm gazing at the pilaster wiring harness for the Trashcan. It has > these BA15s SC Bayonet sockets for the little > #81 light bulbs. These are 6.5W bulbs. It's hard to imagine these throwing > off so much heat to shrink the pilasters but > they seem to have done the dirty deed anyway. I remember when Jackie was > dismantling her 'can she found a > Christmas tree bulb kludge that turned her pilasters into a Dali painting. > > I'm just wondering if there's a way to substitute those #81 bulbs with CFL > or LED bulbs? > I did a web search but have not had any luck finding a bayonet LED or CFL > bulb to fit thebayonet socket. > > Anybody out there have similar thoughts or found a way to cool things down > in the Trashcan pilaster cavity? > > Bob - Chicago > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 12 13:47:24 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Tue Jan 12 13:49:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute Message-ID: <531714.48461.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jay sez: "Custom-bent neon tubing and a transformer may be a possibility but likely cost-prohibitive." Now, THAT's an interesting notion. I'm into neon. Next time I'm visiting my neon doctor I'll see what that might cost. Bob - Chicago From steve at pro-ns.net Tue Jan 12 14:04:51 2010 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Tue Jan 12 14:06:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute In-Reply-To: <621720.32275.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <621720.32275.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100112220451.GA7580@pro-ns.net> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 01:16:02PM -0800, NotarySojac wrote: > I replaced most of the incandescent bulb in my '39 Rock-Ola Luxury > Lightup with low profile CFL bulbs. These go into a standard-size > light bulb socket and keep the machine nice and cool. They look > pretty good, IMHO but take a little time to work their way to full > brightness. I can live with this to keep those precious catalins > from frying. Is there any concern that increased UV output from CFLs (when compared to incandescent) might have a bad effect on these old plastics? --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Tue Jan 12 14:09:20 2010 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Tue Jan 12 14:11:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB AMI I/H Back door metal "dish" Message-ID: <405C78FBDC544F60A99795B22D82B0E9@JUKEBUS> Just wondering if anyone has one of those metal discs / plates / dishes from the middle of an AMI I or H backdoor for sale? Contact me off the list if you do. Thanks, Adrian. From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Jan 12 14:23:06 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Jan 12 14:24:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Message-ID: Ron, the LPC-1 had a long run of a lot of machines. 10th most produced jukebox of all time. The sales brochure would have been designed early on. *Specifications subject to change.* Eventual distributor or operator feedback may have ended the totalizer as standard equipment. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 14:36:59 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Tue Jan 12 14:38:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi D40/D80 In-Reply-To: <4B4CCE6D.1050609@telus.net> References: <523159338.8752601263310832037.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4B4CCE6D.1050609@telus.net> Message-ID: You are probably correct John. Come to think of it, the G200 also had a metal cash box and had a felt lining in it as well. With the D predating the G...probably would not have had a cloth bag and then went to no cloth bag in the G.... Ever have one of those days....stupid Rich showed up again :-) Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:33 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi D40/D80 19k20@comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone know if this series had a cloth bag that fit down in the long coin box? I think it would have been loud when the initial coins were dropped. > > Rich > > Metal cash boxes often had a layer of felt on the bottom to muffle the sound...not sure if that was factory or not, but have seen it in a few older jukeboxes. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release Date: 01/12/10 01:35:00 From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 14:40:48 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Tue Jan 12 14:42:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92AE65D405D14AF19786F8392BD63DB0@p4> Kyle, Is there a website that ranks jukes? It would be neat to know...production runs...by year...by make/model.... Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:23 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Ron, the LPC-1 had a long run of a lot of machines. 10th most produced jukebox of all time. The sales brochure would have been designed early on. *Specifications subject to change.* Eventual distributor or operator feedback may have ended the totalizer as standard equipment. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release Date: 01/12/10 01:35:00 From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 14:44:17 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Tue Jan 12 14:45:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: Trashcan In-Reply-To: <2BE3D3CFDBBD434291BDD4BDE1E13E0E@jason> References: <2BE3D3CFDBBD434291BDD4BDE1E13E0E@jason> Message-ID: <0D3AE6E472904889B47340D297123561@p4> Jason, I no linger have my 148 for reference, but recall there is a leaf switch...on the back left side with about a 2 inch "leg" that rotates around to open and close it. It might be that switch is not being opened after done playing the selection.... Going from memory...so may be completely off. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:22 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: Trashcan ----- Original Message ----- From: CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:52 PM Subject: Trashcan I have just bought a Trashcan from th US to OZ and before I dig in to fixing this problem I would like a few pointers to what the problem maybe, I do have a manual but they are not always a great help. The problem is that it keeps playing records continuosly after the record is cancelled. I figure that it may be sticky selector pins but won't have a chance to look till the weekend and I want all the info/knowledge I can get before then. Thanks Jason _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release Date: 01/11/10 13:35:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 14:49:20 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jan 12 14:50:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute In-Reply-To: <621720.32275.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <236238.54498.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 1/12/10, NotarySojac wrote: > These go into a standard-size light bulb socket and keep > the machine nice and cool. They look pretty good, IMHO > but take a little time to work their way to full > brightness. I can live with this to keep those precious > catalins from frying. Has anyone ever done a prolonged test of these to see if the UV output harms the plastic? From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jan 12 15:06:02 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jan 12 15:09:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Message-ID: <20100112.180602.28113.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: There is a jukebox site at www.tomszone.com called the incomplete jukebox. The site operator is really into statistics and figures there. I think his name is Tom Datri. You'll find production run quantities of various juke makes & models, an interpretation of serial numbers etc. This will probably give you the info that you're seeking and more. Jim alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=smA41WZGaFFmertu7APqgQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From bobe at halted.com Tue Jan 12 15:15:06 2010 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Tue Jan 12 15:35:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Message-ID: <2.2.32.20100112231506.009a8cc4@hsces.com> At 11:06 PM 1/12/2010 GMT, you wrote: > > >Gentlemen: > > >There is a jukebox site at www.tomszone.com called the incomplete jukebox. The site operator is really into statistics and figures there. I think his name is Tom Datri. He's dead, Jim. (sorry, couldn't resist) --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 15:35:00 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 12 15:36:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute In-Reply-To: <001401ca93cf$2188d790$2cff4109@IBMCamargo> Message-ID: <710880.27453.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jeff, Nope--smaller base-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:35 PM I think these are the same size... http://www.centsibleamusements.com/pinball-led-44-47.aspx Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute > I replaced most of the incandescent bulb in my '39 Rock-Ola Luxury Lightup with low profile CFL bulbs. > These go into a standard-size light bulb socket and keep the machine nice and cool. They look pretty good, IMHO > but take a little time to work their way to full brightness. I can live with this to keep those precious catalins from > frying. > > Now I'm gazing at the pilaster wiring harness for the Trashcan. It has these BA15s SC Bayonet sockets for the little > #81 light bulbs. These are 6.5W bulbs. It's hard to imagine these throwing off so much heat to shrink the pilasters but > they seem to have done the dirty deed anyway. I remember when Jackie was dismantling her 'can she found a > Christmas tree bulb kludge that turned her pilasters into a Dali painting. > > I'm just wondering if there's a way to substitute those #81 bulbs with CFL or LED bulbs? > I did a web search but have not had any luck finding a bayonet LED or CFL bulb to fit thebayonet socket. > > Anybody out there have similar thoughts or found a way to cool things down in the Trashcan pilaster cavity? > > Bob - Chicago > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 15:53:43 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 12 15:55:22 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute In-Reply-To: <20100112220451.GA7580@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <28095.9549.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Steve, I dono--read someplace that it had a "bad" effect on old plastics---Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Steve Wahl wrote: From: Steve Wahl Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 2:04 PM On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 01:16:02PM -0800, NotarySojac wrote: > I replaced most of the incandescent bulb in my '39 Rock-Ola Luxury > Lightup with low profile CFL bulbs.? These go into a standard-size > light bulb socket and keep the machine nice and cool. They look > pretty good, IMHO but take a little time to work their way to full > brightness. I can live with this to keep those precious catalins > from frying. Is there any concern that increased UV output from CFLs (when compared to incandescent) might have a bad effect on these old plastics? --> Steve -- Steve Wahl? ? steve@pro-ns.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 15:55:38 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 12 15:57:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <769821.74067.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle, Was still "standard" on both the 480 and APFEA-1 models. None of those models were equipped with "play meters"--Just the ITS--? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 2:23 PM Ron, the LPC-1 had a long run of a lot of machines. 10th most produced jukebox of all time. The sales brochure would have been designed early on.? *Specifications subject to change.* Eventual distributor or operator feedback may have ended the totalizer as standard equipment. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 15:59:49 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 12 16:01:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: <92AE65D405D14AF19786F8392BD63DB0@p4> Message-ID: <262809.93477.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, Always Juking "Official Guide to Collectable Jukeboxes" does it."Tom's Zone" site did a lot of work, but it's been ten or so years since updating-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/12/10, SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 2:40 PM Kyle, Is there a website that ranks jukes?? It would be neat to know...production runs...by year...by make/model.... Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:23 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Ron, the LPC-1 had a long run of a lot of machines. 10th most produced jukebox of all time. The sales brochure would have been designed early on.? *Specifications subject to change.* Eventual distributor or operator feedback may have ended the totalizer as standard equipment. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release Date: 01/12/10 01:35:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From carbide2chips at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 16:02:06 2010 From: carbide2chips at yahoo.com (Scott Sukopp) Date: Tue Jan 12 16:03:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute In-Reply-To: <621720.32275.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <445548.94079.qm@web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, you can find LED bulbs with the same base in Ebay. Problem is they run on 2 - 4 Volt generally. My "R" uses the # 81's for the end caps. At first I used # 84, which run at 12 volts vs. 6.5. This may be an option for you, as reduced voltage to the #84 bulbs will give off very little heat. Drawback is they also give off very little light. Just a thought. Scott --- On Tue, 1/12/10, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute To: "Jukebox List" Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 3:16 PM I replaced most of the incandescent bulb in my '39 Rock-Ola Luxury Lightup with low profile CFL bulbs. These go into a standard-size light bulb socket and keep the machine nice and cool. They look pretty good, IMHO but take a little time to work their way to full brightness. I can live with this to keep those precious catalins from frying. Now I'm gazing at the pilaster wiring harness for the Trashcan. It has these BA15s SC Bayonet sockets for the little #81 light bulbs. These are 6.5W bulbs. It's hard to imagine these throwing off so much heat to shrink the pilasters but they seem to have done the dirty deed anyway. I remember when Jackie was dismantling her 'can she found a Christmas tree bulb kludge that turned her pilasters into a Dali painting. I'm just wondering if there's a way to substitute those #81 bulbs with CFL or LED bulbs? I did a web search but have not had any luck finding a bayonet LED or CFL bulb to fit thebayonet socket. Anybody out there have similar thoughts or found a way to cool things down in the Trashcan pilaster cavity? Bob - Chicago _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jan 12 16:12:34 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jan 12 16:16:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Message-ID: <20100112.191234.4805.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> So who is operating the Toms zone website then? If there haven't been any recent updates there, I can understand. How will the manufacturing stats of old jukes change? Maybe you can change the presentation, but the facts are the same. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=i8OzR_zmsypV__BPUGHWMQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From bobe at halted.com Tue Jan 12 16:19:33 2010 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Tue Jan 12 16:39:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Message-ID: <2.2.32.20100113001933.0099f38c@hsces.com> At 12:12 AM 1/13/2010 GMT, you wrote: > > >So who is operating the Toms zone website then? Tom DeCillis >If there haven't been any recent updates there, I can understand. How will the manufacturing stats of old jukes change? I think he stopped soliciting serial number contributions when it got hard to keep up the data entry and collation. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From jay at west.net Tue Jan 12 16:39:46 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jan 12 16:41:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox production numbers In-Reply-To: <92AE65D405D14AF19786F8392BD63DB0@p4> References: <92AE65D405D14AF19786F8392BD63DB0@p4> Message-ID: <4B4D1652.2080602@west.net> SSG Rich Myers wrote: > Is there a website that ranks jukes? It would be neat to know...production > runs...by year...by make/model.... Tom's Zone has done a pretty good job of this by tracking serial numbers submitted by the community. I'm not sure if he's keeping it current, site says through December 22, 2001. Interesting tidbit on the Seeburg page about the serial numbers being coded to the distributor or region. http://tomszone.com/History.html Also, Stamann has a similar page tallying serial numbers. This doesn't have quite as much detail. http://www.jbw-forum.de/sdb/ -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jan 12 16:56:52 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jan 12 16:59:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Message-ID: <20100112.195652.4805.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Hello Bob: I guess I had a "mental moment" when I brought up Tom Datri's name. About 15 years ago when Tom deCillis was collecting all of his serial number data, I was able to contribute a long string of Wurlitzer serial numbers to him. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=J17T7EOZahEkYwQ4kRhHIgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= From caswellcivil2 at bigpond.com Tue Jan 12 16:13:49 2010 From: caswellcivil2 at bigpond.com (CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE) Date: Tue Jan 12 17:59:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan References: <232475.80263.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82789D0DB309489599B3BD8EF2BC1511@jason> Hi David, thanks for your reply, It's not playing all records in sequence just random plays, and the fault still exists when the record plays all the way thru its self. Also there is a constant buzzing sound coming from a switch? located at the top towards the front of the amp , is that the cancel switch ? when I give it a flick it stops the buzzing until the next play but seems to do nothing else. Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan > --- On Mon, 1/11/10, CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE > wrote: > >> The >> problem is that it keeps playing records continuosly after >> the record is cancelled. I figure that it may be >> sticky selector pins but won't have a chance to look till >> the weekend and I want all the info/knowledge I can get >> before then. > > Well, the first and most obvious question is, is it > cancelling the selector pins? Does it play every > record in sequence, or only some? Does the fault > exist if the record plays through to the end, or > only if you cancel it manually? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 12 18:25:24 2010 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Tue Jan 12 18:26:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan References: <232475.80263.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <82789D0DB309489599B3BD8EF2BC1511@jason> Message-ID: <74C4405E49B94CD2B5B73597B0FC4124@dirksen> If it plays continuously with random plays, you likely have two problems. One is the helix assembly is binding from lack of lubrication or some mechanical bind. I've seen the flex cable that goes to the selection indicator cause this problem. The second problem is that the play control relay is somehow staying energized. This is probably also the relay buzzing that you hear - a common "problem" but not necessarily harmful. Most likely the motor carry over switch is not opening after the turntable goes down. This is a lone leaf switch operated by a cam that is easily identified because it has an adjusting screw and "retard" and "advance" cast into it. The manual gives clear instructions for the adjustment. Check these first and let us know what you find. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan > Hi David, thanks for your reply, It's not playing all records in sequence > just random plays, and the fault still exists when the record plays all > the > way thru its self. Also there is a constant buzzing sound coming from a > switch? located at the top towards the front of the amp , is that the > cancel > switch ? when I give it a flick it stops the buzzing until the next play > but > seems to do nothing else. > > Jason > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Breneman" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan > > >> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE >> >> wrote: >> >>> The >>> problem is that it keeps playing records continuosly after >>> the record is cancelled. I figure that it may be >>> sticky selector pins but won't have a chance to look till >>> the weekend and I want all the info/knowledge I can get >>> before then. >> >> Well, the first and most obvious question is, is it >> cancelling the selector pins? Does it play every >> record in sequence, or only some? Does the fault >> exist if the record plays through to the end, or >> only if you cancel it manually? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.137/2617 - Release Date: 01/12/10 14:35:00 From edinman at earthlink.net Tue Jan 12 14:32:11 2010 From: edinman at earthlink.net (Ed Inman) Date: Tue Jan 12 18:51:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modified Rock-Ola 488 - odd Message-ID: <18355127.1263335531585.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Somebody really did a number on this Rock-Ola 488. Check it out: http://cgi.ebay.com/Rock-ola-488-Jukebox-Plays-45-rpm-Records_W0QQitemZ250560804422QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a56967646#ht_500wt_1182 From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 19:10:09 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Tue Jan 12 19:11:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City VI speakers Message-ID: In case anyone is interested. I have OEM City VI woofers on Ebay. Check out item number 260534149973 They are in original condition and will need reconed to bring back to life. The coils have good play, they do not sound scratchy when gently depressed, but the foam surrounds are deteriorated..hope I said that all correctly. I have had them listed at least 3 other times with a few watchers and a couple of questions. If they do not sell tomorrow, I will have them available until the trash comes next week. Contact me off list if interested. Rich From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 19:25:28 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Tue Jan 12 19:27:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox production numbers In-Reply-To: <4B4D1652.2080602@west.net> References: <92AE65D405D14AF19786F8392BD63DB0@p4> <4B4D1652.2080602@west.net> Message-ID: <688CD917AAFE4F35AF9AB43CA989A294@p4> I have seen those sites and contributed what I could to Stamann's site. I think Kyle mentioned a top ten list. If the group had to come to consensus, what would the top 10 jukes of all time be? I know there are many different ways to measure it....production, popularity, collectability...ect. Let's use collectability as a base line. My limited knowledge would probably be. 1. Wurlitzer 850 2. Seeburg V200 3. Seeburg V200L 4. Rock-Ola 1434 (Super Rocket) 5. AMi Continental 6. Seeburg M100C 7. Wurlitzer 1015 8. Wurlitzer 2000 9. Rock-Ola 1426 10. Wurlitzer 1100 How's this for a start? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:40 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox production numbers SSG Rich Myers wrote: > Is there a website that ranks jukes? It would be neat to know...production > runs...by year...by make/model.... Tom's Zone has done a pretty good job of this by tracking serial numbers submitted by the community. I'm not sure if he's keeping it current, site says through December 22, 2001. Interesting tidbit on the Seeburg page about the serial numbers being coded to the distributor or region. http://tomszone.com/History.html Also, Stamann has a similar page tallying serial numbers. This doesn't have quite as much detail. http://www.jbw-forum.de/sdb/ -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release Date: 01/12/10 13:35:00 From jay at west.net Tue Jan 12 20:04:23 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jan 12 20:05:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox production numbers In-Reply-To: <688CD917AAFE4F35AF9AB43CA989A294@p4> References: <92AE65D405D14AF19786F8392BD63DB0@p4> <4B4D1652.2080602@west.net> <688CD917AAFE4F35AF9AB43CA989A294@p4> Message-ID: <4B4D4647.2080908@west.net> SSG Rich Myers wrote: > I have seen those sites and contributed what I could to Stamann's site. I > think Kyle mentioned a top ten list. > > If the group had to come to consensus, what would the top 10 jukes of all > time be? I know there are many different ways to measure it....production, > popularity, collectability...ect. Let's use collectability as a base line. We'll never agree, this is likely to become almost as much of a religious issue as what is the best lubricant. Fun, though. > My limited knowledge would probably be. > > 1. Wurlitzer 850 > 2. Seeburg V200 > 3. Seeburg V200L > 4. Rock-Ola 1434 (Super Rocket) > 5. AMi Continental > 6. Seeburg M100C > 7. Wurlitzer 1015 > 8. Wurlitzer 2000 > 9. Rock-Ola 1426 > 10. Wurlitzer 1100 I would put the V200 and V200L together as one listing. My list, collectibility in my opinion not just based on dollar value but new and outstanding features that either set a trend or were memorable. Order of listing not 100% by preference but you can't have a top-ten list that isn't numbered... 1. Wurlitzer 1015 Most commonly though of by the public as "jukebox", still being copied today. 2. Seeburg M100A Revolutionary new mech, quadrupled number of selections, three-wire wallbox. IMHO only really worthwhile on 78. 3. Seeburg V200/L Cool styling, 200 select, selector drum, Tormat selector. 4. Wurlitzer 2000 Page-turning mech, great styling. 1900 runner-up. 5. Seeburg 100R Great sound, very nice looking box. Truly high-fidelity. 6. AMI Continental and Continental II Off-the-wall styling, compact box, Stereo-Round for good separation in a small package. 7. Rock-Ola 1434 (Super Rocket) Very colorful machine. 8. Seeburg 222 Stereo. Probably the public's first wide exposure to stereophonic sound. Best enjoyed with remote speakers. 9. Wurlitzer 61 (and 71) Compact table-top 78 players. Just cute little machines. 10. AMI F/G Sleepers. Nothing much to look at but phenomenal sound. Others that come close in my opinion but don't quite make the top 10: Ristaucrat Rockola 1493 Rockola Fireball CD (V200 styling) the only CD player on my list. Rockola 1454 AMI A Mother of Plastic AMI C -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From commerciale at baldi.it Wed Jan 13 00:17:10 2010 From: commerciale at baldi.it (BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti) Date: Wed Jan 13 00:24:04 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg G Amplifier Message-ID: Hi one another question.. this is my situation.. my Seeburg jukebox HF100G installed an amplifier for HF100C Seeburg jukebox and a new speaker . Everything works fine but I would like my juke was completely original. Now I have two original speakers for seeburg G. Can I install them on my amplifier Seeburg C ? or I must to buy a MRA4-L6 amplifier ? From jay at west.net Wed Jan 13 01:25:07 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Jan 13 01:26:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? In-Reply-To: References: <9323BF7CAB224813A59F4AD0BD9D4004@PCStefano> <4B4B6928.4070102@west.net> Message-ID: <4B4D9173.1090802@west.net> BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti wrote: > Hi and many thanks for answer. This is my situation.. > > my Seeburg jukebox HF100G installed an amplifier for HF100C Seeburg > jukebox and a new speaker . Everything works fine but I would like my > juke was completely original. Now I have two original speakers for > seeburg G. Can I install them on my amplifier Seeburg C ? or I must to > buy a MRA4-L6 amplifier ? The two original speakers are one large and one small, wired to a 6-pin plug, correct? If so and original HF100G speakers these will work with the MRA3-L6 HF100C amplifier. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From commerciale at baldi.it Wed Jan 13 02:25:19 2010 From: commerciale at baldi.it (BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti) Date: Wed Jan 13 02:26:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? In-Reply-To: <4B4D9173.1090802@west.net> References: <9323BF7CAB224813A59F4AD0BD9D4004@PCStefano> <4B4B6928.4070102@west.net> <4B4D9173.1090802@west.net> Message-ID: <0A2839F0CBB646F69E87C2EA2A843F41@PCStefano> Hi and thanks for answer, I have yet to receive these speakers. When I arrive I can do this verification. Thank for your help !!! Stefano. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Amplifier ?? > BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti wrote: >> Hi and many thanks for answer. This is my situation.. >> >> my Seeburg jukebox HF100G installed an amplifier for HF100C Seeburg >> jukebox and a new speaker . Everything works fine but I would like my >> juke was completely original. Now I have two original speakers for >> seeburg G. Can I install them on my amplifier Seeburg C ? or I must to >> buy a MRA4-L6 amplifier ? > > The two original speakers are one large and one small, wired to a 6-pin > plug, correct? > > If so and original HF100G speakers these will work with the MRA3-L6 HF100C > amplifier. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 13 06:02:04 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Wed Jan 13 06:03:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute Message-ID: <33424.77995.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> David Breneman sez: >Has anyone ever done a prolonged test of these to see >if the UV output harms the plastic? Whelp, I guess I have! I have been running CFLs in the Lightup now for well over a year. The box gets pretty light (no pun intended) duty in my dining room. I do keep it lit up most every night I'm home so I guess that's about 5 hours a day, maybe 4-5 days each week. So far I do not detect any degradation of the thick catalin plastics. Thanks to everyone who has chimed in on this thread. Regarding LEDs, does the voltage need to change to run these if one were to plug LEDs into the existing wiring harness? Sorry, I'm a dim bulb (pun intended) when it comes to this. Bob - Chicago From jeremy at dwave.net Wed Jan 13 08:00:29 2010 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Wed Jan 13 08:02:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modified Rock-Ola 488 - odd In-Reply-To: <18355127.1263335531585.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <18355127.1263335531585.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20100113155906.M33474@dwave.net> Wow, that is quite the hack job! I like how the mech sticks out the back - and the big hole someone made for it. Thanks for the link Jeremy Agema On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:32:11 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Ed ?Inman wrote > Somebody really did a number on this Rock-Ola 488. Check it out: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Rock-ola-488-Jukebox-Plays-45-rpm-Records_W0QQitemZ250560804422QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a56967646#ht_500wt_1182 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Jan 13 08:25:29 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Wed Jan 13 08:27:12 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modified Rock-Ola 488 - odd In-Reply-To: <20100113155906.M33474@dwave.net> References: <18355127.1263335531585.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20100113155906.M33474@dwave.net> Message-ID: Well at least if you lose the key you can still change the records :-) What a complete mess! Nigel, UK > Wow, that is quite the hack job! > > I like how the mech sticks out the back - and the big hole someone made > for it. > > Thanks for the link > > Jeremy Agema > > On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:32:11 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Ed ?Inman wrote >> Somebody really did a number on this Rock-Ola 488. Check it out: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Rock-ola-488-Jukebox-Plays-45-rpm-Records_W0QQitemZ250560804422QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a56967646#ht_500wt_1182 >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 08:56:14 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 13 08:57:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg G Amplifier In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <130508.49604.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> G and C parts are interchangeable. Amplifiers and speakers. --- On Wed, 1/13/10, BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti wrote: From: BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg G Amplifier To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:17 AM Hi one another question.. this is my situation.. my Seeburg jukebox HF100G installed an amplifier for HF100C Seeburg jukebox and a new speaker . Everything works fine but I would like my juke was completely original. Now I have two original speakers for seeburg G. Can I install them on my amplifier Seeburg C ? or I must to buy a MRA4-L6 amplifier ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 13 09:05:02 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Wed Jan 13 09:06:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modified Rock-Ola 488 - odd Message-ID: <567756A4CFD649D18B6B09A48E222B65@ownerbob1> There's been an occasion where someone had taken the front panel out of a Rockola 441, I think, replaced it with clear glass and advertised it as one "with visible mechanism." Here's a recent abomination. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEEBURG-M100A-JUKEBOX_W0QQitemZ250553948092QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Video_Games_Coin_Operated_MJ?hash=item3a562dd7bc Bob Ford. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 09:13:22 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 13 09:15:04 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute In-Reply-To: <33424.77995.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <582861.70838.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, I'll attempt to illuminate you-although that possibility appears pretty dark--- MINI lamps are designed to operate at various voltages. Size/type of the base, or size of the "globe" notwithstanding. All that is specified in a lamp catalog by assigned lamp numbers, which all lamp makers (attempt) to subscribe to-- LED's on the other hand seem to change daily, as they also improve both in "light output" and "color range". I have not yet seen a "universal" catalog similar to the ones for lamps yet, but have seen some mfg.s specs. I have not, as of yet, seen an LED replacement for the "mid" size lamp such as the #89--It's possible to "solder in" an LED, if you wanted to-- Hope that sheds some light on the subject for you--? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/13/10, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 6:02 AM David Breneman sez: >Has anyone ever done a prolonged test of these to see >if the UV output harms the plastic? Whelp, I guess I have! I have been running CFLs in the Lightup now for well over a year. The box gets pretty light (no pun intended) duty in my dining room. I do keep it lit up most every night I'm home so I guess that's about 5 hours a day, maybe 4-5 days each week. So far I do not detect any degradation of the thick catalin plastics. Thanks to everyone who has chimed in on this thread. Regarding LEDs, does the voltage need to change to run these if one were to plug LEDs into the existing wiring harness? Sorry, I'm a dim bulb (pun intended) when it comes to this. Bob - Chicago _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jan 13 09:12:17 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jan 13 09:17:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox production numbers Message-ID: <20100113.121217.11965.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> RE: List of most collectible jukeboxes. Chances are Rich Myers is collecting/interpreting the statistics to set up his list. There ae a few oddball choices there in my opinion. Jay's list of machine models hits closer to the center of the dartboard as to what seems to be in demand. My list, based upon market observation would be: 1. 1946 Wurlitzer 1015 The icon of the Amercican jukebox. Frequently copied by replica manufacturers. 2. 1946-47-48 RockOla 1424-26-28 "Magic glo" jukes colorful gothic styling of the 40's 3. 1953 Seeburg M100C, G, and W. the colorful "happy days" Seeburgs Other M100 models could be included here as well 4 1956 Wurlitzer 1900-2000 models great diner styling and great mono audio The 1700-1800 come in a close second 5. 1944-45 Wurlitzer 850--950 models these rare 78 RPM players are rare to find, and they fetch high prices when available. 6. 1946 AMI model A the Mother of plastic great color scheme 7. 1955-56 RockOla 1448-1454 the gold and silver "icicle" model machines, w rotating title drum 8. 1961-62 AMI Continental models unique bold "space age" styling 9. 1958-59-60 etc. AMI H, I, J,K or Rockola Tempo, Regis, Empress model unique upright styling with wraparound dome glass, chrome accents,tailfins 10. 1939-40 Wurlitzer 71 81 12 select table top juke w/ Paul fuller Styling 11. Tie 1950 Seeburg M100A both styling and function--this model redefined the definition of a modern jukebox. 1962 RockOla Princess sets a new practical trend in small-footprint compact-size jukeboxes. 12. 1948 Wurlitzer 1100 last of the Gothic style Paul Fuller design 24-play 78 jukes. No bubble tubes but the most brilliant colors of the 40's Wurlitzers Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=22lSLPCPAgD4fCEddHu3UwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From juker17 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 09:23:40 2010 From: juker17 at yahoo.com (Jim Mcclave) Date: Wed Jan 13 09:32:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem Message-ID: <244989.45984.qm@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi, I have a Seeburg SS-160 jukebox with a autospeed problem. It will scan and cycle at the correct speed, but when the needle lands on the record , it stops and will not rotate the record at all. It progressively got slower thru time before it finally came to a complete stop when the needle lands on the record. In the autspeed unit, there is a relay which "pulls" for the 45 mode. It does energise as its supposed to. When I move it back to the 33 position with a record clamped , it will play the record at 33 rpm.? I have cleaned the contacts on this relay. What components in the autospeed unit are likely candidates to fail?? The caps? two transistors installed?? The 4 rectifiers?? Thanks, jim From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 13 09:41:10 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Wed Jan 13 09:42:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute Message-ID: <323922.38388.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Ron, that was brilliant and not flashy at all! I appreciate how you broke this down for those of us who are not very bright. It makes me beam with delight. Bob - OK, I'll stop Ron R. sez: >Bob, >I'll attempt to illuminate you-although that possibility appears pretty dark--- >MINI lamps are designed to operate at various voltages. Size/type of the base, >or size of the "globe" notwithstanding. All that is specified in a lamp catalog >by assigned lamp numbers, which all lamp makers (attempt) to subscribe to-- >LED's on the other hand seem to change daily, as they also improve both in >"light output" and "color range". I have not yet seen a "universal" catalog >similar to the ones for lamps yet, but have seen some mfg.s specs. >I have not, as of yet, seen an LED replacement for the "mid" size lamp >such as the #89--It's possible to "solder in" an LED, if you wanted to-- >Hope that sheds some light on the subject for you-- Ron Rich From jpoe at dsldata.com Wed Jan 13 08:44:57 2010 From: jpoe at dsldata.com (Jim Poe) Date: Wed Jan 13 09:51:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RockOla 425 amp problem In-Reply-To: <960576.35718.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <960576.35718.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B4DF889.6020204@dsldata.com> I'm working on a RockOla 425, trying to fix the amp. I think that I've narrowed the problem down to the preamp, but not being that technical, I'm not sure. I get only faint and garbled sound from 1 side (left), when playing a record. If I remove the preamp & place a tone generator signal on the designated pins of the preamp connector, I get good sound. If I reconnect the preamp & place the tone on the cartridge input jack, I get sound, but it is no louder than with it disconnected. The pots on the preamp do affect the output volume, and I'm sure that 1 pot is bad. I get microphone effect if I tap the left pot. Other than that, I'm lost. I've tried several cartridges, and get mostly the same results. Any suggestions? Thanks Jim From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 09:52:53 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 13 09:54:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute In-Reply-To: <323922.38388.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <446661.79133.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well, Bob, It's about time ! If not, I guess I'll need to come east and turn off your switch-- and leave you sitting in the dark !? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/13/10, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 9:41 AM Thanks Ron, that was brilliant and not flashy at all! I appreciate how you broke this down for those of us who are not very bright. It makes me beam with delight. Bob - OK, I'll stop Ron R. sez: >Bob, >I'll attempt to illuminate you-although that possibility appears pretty dark--- >MINI lamps are designed to operate at various voltages. Size/type of the base, >or size of the "globe" notwithstanding. All that is specified in a lamp catalog >by assigned lamp numbers, which all lamp makers (attempt) to subscribe to-- >LED's on the other hand seem to change daily, as they also improve both in >"light output" and "color range". I have not yet seen a "universal" catalog >similar to the ones for lamps yet, but have seen some mfg.s specs. >I have not, as of yet, seen an LED replacement for the "mid" size lamp >such as the #89--It's possible to "solder in" an LED, if you wanted to-- >Hope that sheds some light on the subject for you--? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 09:57:03 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 13 09:58:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem In-Reply-To: <244989.45984.qm@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <776356.11227.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, All of the parts listed fail, at times--start with the large cap---watch the "pot", use NO inward pressure when adjusting it !!? RonRich --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Jim Mcclave wrote: From: Jim Mcclave Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 9:23 AM Hi, I have a Seeburg SS-160 jukebox with a autospeed problem. It will scan and cycle at the correct speed, but when the needle lands on the record , it stops and will not rotate the record at all. It progressively got slower thru time before it finally came to a complete stop when the needle lands on the record. In the autspeed unit, there is a relay which "pulls" for the 45 mode. It does energise as its supposed to. When I move it back to the 33 position with a record clamped , it will play the record at 33 rpm.? I have cleaned the contacts on this relay. What components in the autospeed unit are likely candidates to fail?? The caps? two transistors installed?? The 4 rectifiers?? Thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinball at telus.net Wed Jan 13 09:39:18 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Jan 13 10:02:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CFL or LED substitute In-Reply-To: <621720.32275.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <621720.32275.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B4E0546.9090809@telus.net> NotarySojac wrote: > I replaced most of the incandescent bulb in my '39 Rock-Ola Luxury Lightup with low profile CFL bulbs. > These go into a standard-size light bulb socket and keep the machine nice and cool. They look pretty good, IMHO > but take a little time to work their way to full brightness. I can live with this to keep those precious catalins from > frying. > > Now I'm gazing at the pilaster wiring harness for the Trashcan. It has these BA15s SC Bayonet sockets for the little > #81 light bulbs. These are 6.5W bulbs. It's hard to imagine these throwing off so much heat to shrink the pilasters but > they seem to have done the dirty deed anyway. I remember when Jackie was dismantling her 'can she found a > Christmas tree bulb kludge that turned her pilasters into a Dali painting. > > I'm just wondering if there's a way to substitute those #81 bulbs with CFL or LED bulbs? > I did a web search but have not had any luck finding a bayonet LED or CFL bulb to fit thebayonet socket. > > Anybody out there have similar thoughts or found a way to cool things down in the Trashcan pilaster cavity? > > Bob - Chicago I would recommend against CFLs installed in jukeboxes as they will cause fading of colours and make plastics brittle due to the UV component of the light. Our Wurlitzers (new and classic) all have deteriorating plastics anywhere near flourescent tubes after only a decade or so of operation - even in homes. LEDs do not, as yet, provide lighting similar to incandescent: the colour is wrong, and the dispersal sucks. LEDs are good for Christmas lights and similar applications, and as spot lights, but they just don't cut it for replacing good 'ol filaments so far. I am sure they will overcome this - they are evolving quickly: intelligent design combined with survival of the fittest...(ducking) John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed Jan 13 10:29:15 2010 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Jan 13 10:31:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg G Amplifier In-Reply-To: <130508.49604.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <130508.49604.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, I thought I remember hearing somewhere that the C amp cannot support the tweeter in the G.(you get distored sound or a squeal) I believe the C and W amps are interchangeable because neither had a tweeter. I think this was in one of the Dr Know-it-all books. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2010, January, 13 11:56 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg G Amplifier G and C parts are interchangeable. Amplifiers and speakers. --- On Wed, 1/13/10, BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti wrote: From: BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg G Amplifier To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:17 AM Hi one another question.. this is my situation.. my Seeburg jukebox HF100G installed an amplifier for HF100C Seeburg jukebox and a new speaker . Everything works fine but I would like my juke was completely original. Now I have two original speakers for seeburg G. Can I install them on my amplifier Seeburg C ? or I must to buy a MRA4-L6 amplifier ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. 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From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 11:00:43 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 13 11:02:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg G Amplifier In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <730741.14264.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mike, Dono on that--I've swapped them around without ever hearing that, but anything's possible--- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg G Amplifier To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:29 AM Ron, I thought I remember hearing somewhere that the C amp cannot support the tweeter in the G.(you get distored sound or a squeal) I believe the C and W amps are interchangeable because neither had a tweeter. I think this was in one of the Dr Know-it-all books. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2010, January, 13 11:56 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg G Amplifier G and C parts are interchangeable. Amplifiers and speakers. --- On Wed, 1/13/10, BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti wrote: From: BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg G Amplifier To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:17 AM Hi one another question.. this is my situation.. my Seeburg jukebox HF100G installed an amplifier for HF100C Seeburg jukebox and a new speaker . Everything works fine but I would like my juke was completely original. Now I have two original speakers for seeburg G. Can I install them on my amplifier Seeburg C ? or I must to buy a MRA4-L6 amplifier ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. 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Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez men aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 11:07:34 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 13 11:09:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Thank-you & Info Message-ID: <761280.65011.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, This post is to say "thanks" to all of you who have purchased either one of my two "Seeburg books".? AND--to inform you that there is an "Errata Sheet" available for both of them. The latest one for the "Seeburg Mirolog Troubleshooting Guide" is dated 9/08. The latest one for the "Seeburg Mechanism Guide" is dated 1108. Both are dated at the bottom of the sheet. If you need a new copy, contact me at ronnnrich@yahoocom, and I'll send it to you-- Thanks again, Ron Rich From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Jan 13 11:11:08 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Wed Jan 13 11:12:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins In-Reply-To: <20100112.195652.4805.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100112.195652.4805.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001701ca9484$295bb3b0$7c131b10$@force9.co.uk> It's Tom Harvey, from the West Midlands, UK. He has been uncontactable for many years now - no-one on the UK forums knows of his whereabouts. I suspect he's out of jukeboxes now. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 13 January 2010 00:57 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Play meters - counting coins Hello Bob: I guess I had a "mental moment" when I brought up Tom Datri's name. About 15 years ago when Tom deCillis was collecting all of his serial number data, I was able to contribute a long string of Wurlitzer serial numbers to him. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=J17T7EOZahEkYwQ4kRhHIgAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Jan 13 11:16:54 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Wed Jan 13 11:18:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modified Rock-Ola 488 - odd In-Reply-To: <567756A4CFD649D18B6B09A48E222B65@ownerbob1> References: <567756A4CFD649D18B6B09A48E222B65@ownerbob1> Message-ID: <001801ca9484$f81acba0$e85062e0$@force9.co.uk> Bizarrely most of the 441s I have seen in the UK don't have the original glass, so I suspect it was either weak or easily prone to breakage. I can't remember whether they were plain glass and a thin sheet of printed plastic on that one - or whether it was a screen printed glass. On Ebay there seem to be a lot of machines with missing front glasses. I think theyre probably broken on site years ago and hence the machines bought cheaply and the new owner (who favours the visible mech look) pops a piece of plain glass in. I don't think it quite looks right, with all the cables and brackets on show, but each to their own I guess. IMO most machines look best the way the factory made them. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bob Ford Sent: 13 January 2010 17:05 To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Modified Rock-Ola 488 - odd There's been an occasion where someone had taken the front panel out of a Rockola 441, I think, replaced it with clear glass and advertised it as one "with visible mechanism." Here's a recent abomination. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEEBURG-M100A-JUKEBOX_W0QQitemZ250553948092QQcmdZViewI temQQptZUK_Video_Games_Coin_Operated_MJ?hash=item3a562dd7bc Bob Ford. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From juker17 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 11:50:50 2010 From: juker17 at yahoo.com (Jim Mcclave) Date: Wed Jan 13 11:52:30 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem In-Reply-To: <776356.11227.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <776356.11227.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <291225.11770.qm@web45709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks Ron , do you have an updated part. no. for the two transistors and a good source for them? Jim ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 12:57:03 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem Jim, All of the parts listed fail, at times--start with the large cap---watch the "pot", use NO inward pressure when adjusting it !!? RonRich --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Jim Mcclave wrote: From: Jim Mcclave Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 9:23 AM Hi, I have a Seeburg SS-160 jukebox with a autospeed problem. It will scan and cycle at the correct speed, but when the needle lands on the record , it stops and will not rotate the record at all. It progressively got slower thru time before it finally came to a complete stop when the needle lands on the record. In the autspeed unit, there is a relay which "pulls" for the 45 mode. It does energise as its supposed to. When I move it back to the 33 position with a record clamped , it will play the record at 33 rpm.? I have cleaned the contacts on this relay. What components in the autospeed unit are likely candidates to fail?? The caps? two transistors installed?? The 4 rectifiers?? Thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 12:00:58 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 13 12:02:37 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem In-Reply-To: <291225.11770.qm@web45709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <111367.96285.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, They are expensive-$40+ ea.-why don't you check them first--?? Ron --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Jim Mcclave wrote: From: Jim Mcclave Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 11:50 AM Thanks Ron , do you have an updated part. no. for the two transistors and a good source for them? Jim ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 12:57:03 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem Jim, All of the parts listed fail, at times--start with the large cap---watch the "pot", use NO inward pressure when adjusting it !!? RonRich --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Jim Mcclave wrote: From: Jim Mcclave Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 9:23 AM Hi, I have a Seeburg SS-160 jukebox with a autospeed problem. It will scan and cycle at the correct speed, but when the needle lands on the record , it stops and will not rotate the record at all. It progressively got slower thru time before it finally came to a complete stop when the needle lands on the record. In the autspeed unit, there is a relay which "pulls" for the 45 mode. It does energise as its supposed to. When I move it back to the 33 position with a record clamped , it will play the record at 33 rpm.? I have cleaned the contacts on this relay. What components in the autospeed unit are likely candidates to fail?? The caps? two transistors installed?? The 4 rectifiers?? Thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 13 12:27:35 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jan 13 12:29:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem Message-ID: This is a common problem. As Ron said, start with the huge capacitor. This is usually the culprit. You can get it and all the parts in a kit for $25. probabaly worth buying this kit and doing the whole thing. It's only 6 capacitors and then you'll never have to worry about it again. eBay item # 350269024118 http://cgi.ebay.com/SEEBURG-JUKEBOX-AUTOSPEED-REBUILD-KIT-45TASU-2_W0QQitemZ350269024118QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518da92776 Here's one (the big cap only) for $15. eBay item # 310121658595 http://cgi.ebay.com/Seeburg-Auto-Speed-Motor-Capacitor-New_W0QQitemZ310121658595QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4834b0f8e3 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From jeremy at dwave.net Wed Jan 13 12:36:32 2010 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Wed Jan 13 12:38:12 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modified Rock-Ola 488 - odd In-Reply-To: <567756A4CFD649D18B6B09A48E222B65@ownerbob1> References: <567756A4CFD649D18B6B09A48E222B65@ownerbob1> Message-ID: <20100113203531.M35545@dwave.net> That would look great beside an Evel Kinevel pinball machine! Thanks for the link Jeremy Agema On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:05:02 -0000, Bob Ford wrote > There's been an occasion where someone had taken the front panel out of a Rockola 441, I think, replaced it with clear glass and advertised it as one "with visible mechanism." > > Here's a recent abomination. > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEEBURG-M100A-JUKEBOX_W0QQitemZ250553948092QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Video_Games_Coin_Operated_MJ?hash=item3a562dd7bc > > Bob Ford. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 13 12:40:12 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jan 13 12:41:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: Nigel. I agree. here's a modification I made to my W 3200 (1968). The fancy Wurlitzer mechanism is intact and is right in the middle. I took two broken title strip holders from a Seeburg, cut them down with a Dremmel, and put them in behind the upper glass. The mechanism is now in full view and the window's not really big enough to see any of the guts on the inner sides. The whole title board is above the original aqua gel, so it really looks like it's done on purpose. I eventually covered the numbers and letters on the spacers for the missing selections with some carefully cut off white paper strips, and filled the rest of the machine with my custom picture strips. Not many machines would take so easily to this kind of modification. This one looks fantastic and it took all of 15 minutes. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Wurlitzer%20references/100_1297.jpg?t=1263414710 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 13:17:44 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 13 13:19:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem In-Reply-To: <111367.96285.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <707918.35460.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, As an alternate--you can ship me the Autospeed, I'll rebuild it, and fully (stress) test it on the factory jig, as per Seeburg specs.--contact me off list if you wish to do so-? ronnnrich@yahoo.com? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:00 PM Jim, They are expensive-$40+ ea.-why don't you check them first--?? Ron --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Jim Mcclave wrote: From: Jim Mcclave Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 11:50 AM Thanks Ron , do you have an updated part. no. for the two transistors and a good source for them? Jim ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 12:57:03 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem Jim, All of the parts listed fail, at times--start with the large cap---watch the "pot", use NO inward pressure when adjusting it !!? RonRich --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Jim Mcclave wrote: From: Jim Mcclave Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 9:23 AM Hi, I have a Seeburg SS-160 jukebox with a autospeed problem. It will scan and cycle at the correct speed, but when the needle lands on the record , it stops and will not rotate the record at all. It progressively got slower thru time before it finally came to a complete stop when the needle lands on the record. In the autspeed unit, there is a relay which "pulls" for the 45 mode. It does energise as its supposed to. When I move it back to the 33 position with a record clamped , it will play the record at 33 rpm.? I have cleaned the contacts on this relay. What components in the autospeed unit are likely candidates to fail?? The caps? two transistors installed?? The 4 rectifiers?? Thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Jan 13 13:20:45 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Wed Jan 13 13:22:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003301ca9496$44eb7f90$cec27eb0$@force9.co.uk> That's a nice mod Kyle and looks factory made. The 2 title racks at the top look good and you can still display all of the cards. It's a visible mech but not too obtrusive. That's probably one of the prettier and more interesting mechs to have on display I think. On one or 2 occasions I have gone out to a house to do a repair only to find the jukebox has no titlestrip holders at all, and they stare straight inside the cabinet (mid 80's Rowe Amis here!). The title cards are part and parcel of the experience I think and when they are missing it really screws things up. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: 13 January 2010 20:40 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Nigel. I agree. here's a modification I made to my W 3200 (1968). The fancy Wurlitzer mechanism is intact and is right in the middle. I took two broken title strip holders from a Seeburg, cut them down with a Dremmel, and put them in behind the upper glass. The mechanism is now in full view and the window's not really big enough to see any of the guts on the inner sides. The whole title board is above the original aqua gel, so it really looks like it's done on purpose. I eventually covered the numbers and letters on the spacers for the missing selections with some carefully cut off white paper strips, and filled the rest of the machine with my custom picture strips. Not many machines would take so easily to this kind of modification. This one looks fantastic and it took all of 15 minutes. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Wurlitzer%20references/1 00_1297.jpg?t=1263414710 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 13 14:28:07 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jan 13 14:29:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reputable shippers, USA. Message-ID: Any recommendations? Juke in question already has broken dome glass. I had one shipped door to door, wrapped but not crated a couple years ago, but not sure who did it. This would be fine for this jukebox. Chicago area to San Francisco. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From pinball at telus.net Wed Jan 13 14:51:32 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Jan 13 14:53:10 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reputable shippers, USA. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B4E4E74.6030805@telus.net> Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > Any recommendations? > Juke in question already has broken dome glass. > I had one shipped door to door, wrapped but not crated a couple years ago, but not sure who did it. > This would be fine for this jukebox. > Chicago area to San Francisco. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > For uncrated machines then Michele @ North American Van lines is one person to get a quote from. North American at 1-800-959-8880, and ask for Michelle x9465. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jhayes2613 at aol.com Wed Jan 13 14:57:08 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 13 14:59:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reputable shippers, USA. In-Reply-To: <4B4E4E74.6030805@telus.net> References: <4B4E4E74.6030805@telus.net> Message-ID: <8CC62BADE5C84DD-15C0-BEA@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com> Yes. Michelle. -----Original Message----- From: John Robertson To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Reputable shippers, USA. Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > Any recommendations? > Juke in question already has broken dome glass. > I had one shipped door to door, wrapped but not crated a couple years ago, but not sure who did it. > This would be fine for this jukebox. > Chicago area to San Francisco. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > For uncrated machines then Michele @ North American Van lines is one person to get a quote from. North American at 1-800-959-8880, and ask for Michelle x9465. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 14:57:59 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 13 14:59:37 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reputable shippers, USA. In-Reply-To: <4B4E4E74.6030805@telus.net> Message-ID: <272774.98697.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle, Too bad you did not ask this last week--my kid is on the road from there to here now, in an empty pick-up---? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/13/10, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Reputable shippers, USA. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 2:51 PM Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > Any recommendations?? Juke in question already has broken dome glass.? I had one shipped door to door, wrapped but not crated a couple years ago, but not sure who did it.? This would be fine for this jukebox. > Chicago area to San Francisco. > > Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco >??? For uncrated machines then Michele @ North American Van lines is one person to get a quote from. North American at 1-800-959-8880, and ask for Michelle x9465. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 13 15:00:08 2010 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Jan 13 15:01:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Wallbox WQ-200 Message-ID: The diagram is missing from inside this wallbox Im attempting to connect to the Continental. Can anyone tell me the function four the four terminals on the strip Left to Right? The manual shows nothing. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 15:12:01 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 13 15:13:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Wallbox WQ-200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <631162.87737.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, Four terminals are: AC (hot), AC ("Ground"), signal, and "wait lamp". Now which one is which I can't tell you, but you may be able to figure that out by looking at the inside of the jukebox--? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/13/10, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Wallbox WQ-200 To: "jukebox list" Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:00 PM The diagram is missing from inside this wallbox Im attempting to connect to the Continental. Can anyone tell me the function four the four terminals on the strip Left to Right? The manual shows nothing. Thanks! 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Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From juker17 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 16:59:57 2010 From: juker17 at yahoo.com (Jim Mcclave) Date: Wed Jan 13 17:01:37 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem In-Reply-To: <111367.96285.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <111367.96285.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <872912.76324.qm@web45716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I dont have the schematic yet Ron , just ordered it, are they PNP ? tks, Jim ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 3:00:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem Jim, They are expensive-$40+ ea.-why don't you check them first--?? Ron --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Jim Mcclave wrote: From: Jim Mcclave Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 11:50 AM Thanks Ron , do you have an updated part. no. for the two transistors and a good source for them? Jim ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 12:57:03 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem Jim, All of the parts listed fail, at times--start with the large cap---watch the "pot", use NO inward pressure when adjusting it !!? RonRich --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Jim Mcclave wrote: From: Jim Mcclave Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 9:23 AM Hi, I have a Seeburg SS-160 jukebox with a autospeed problem. It will scan and cycle at the correct speed, but when the needle lands on the record , it stops and will not rotate the record at all. It progressively got slower thru time before it finally came to a complete stop when the needle lands on the record. In the autspeed unit, there is a relay which "pulls" for the 45 mode. It does energise as its supposed to. When I move it back to the 33 position with a record clamped , it will play the record at 33 rpm.? I have cleaned the contacts on this relay. What components in the autospeed unit are likely candidates to fail?? The caps? two transistors installed?? The 4 rectifiers?? Thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From juker17 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 17:01:30 2010 From: juker17 at yahoo.com (Jim Mcclave) Date: Wed Jan 13 17:03:07 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <800133.45312.qm@web45714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks Kyle! ________________________________ From: Mechanical Music of S.F. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 3:27:35 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg SS-160 Autospeed Problem This is a common problem. As Ron said, start with the huge capacitor. This is usually the culprit.? You can get it and all the parts in a kit for $25.? probabaly worth buying this kit and doing the whole thing.? It's only 6 capacitors and then you'll never have to worry about it again. eBay item # 350269024118 http://cgi.ebay.com/SEEBURG-JUKEBOX-AUTOSPEED-REBUILD-KIT-45TASU-2_W0QQitemZ350269024118QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518da92776 Here's one (the big cap only) for $15.? eBay item #? 310121658595 http://cgi.ebay.com/Seeburg-Auto-Speed-Motor-Capacitor-New_W0QQitemZ310121658595QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4834b0f8e3 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ??? ??? ??? ? ??? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jjmscf at aol.com Wed Jan 13 17:37:27 2010 From: jjmscf at aol.com (jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 13 17:46:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frozen screw removal question:Seeburg R pinbank bottom plate Message-ID: <18c5f.4c82949e.387fcf57@aol.com> I have a Seeburg R pinbank with a frozen screw in the bottom curved plate that covers the group relay contacts. I had 2 but after many colorful words some heat application and using a big pair of locking pliers gripping the sides after I stripped the phillips screw head one of the 2 is out. I pinched a finger and made it bleed and blistered my other hand getting it out also. The remaining one is more stubborn even yet. I have it soaking in PB blaster now but still am doubtful it will get to the threads where it's needed.The threads on the one that came out were quite rusty. Anybody have any tricks for removing such a screw other than cutting the head off or drilling it out? I'll let it soak overnight before I deal with it again. J.C. From digiovanni13 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 17:57:59 2010 From: digiovanni13 at yahoo.com (S.R. Boland) Date: Wed Jan 13 18:26:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox production numbers In-Reply-To: <688CD917AAFE4F35AF9AB43CA989A294@p4> Message-ID: <863604.6709.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Should the AMI H and AMI I be on that list? Seems like they're really in demand, almost as much as the Continentals. S.R. "Boris" Boland --- On Tue, 1/12/10, SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > From: SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox production numbers > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:25 PM > I have seen those sites and > contributed what I could to Stamann's site.? I > think Kyle mentioned a top ten list. > > If the group had to come to consensus, what would the top > 10 jukes of all > time be?? I know there are many different ways to > measure it....production, > popularity, collectability...ect.? Let's use > collectability as a base line. > > My limited knowledge would probably be. > > 1. Wurlitzer 850 > 2. Seeburg V200 > 3. Seeburg V200L > 4. Rock-Ola 1434 (Super Rocket) > 5. AMi Continental > 6. Seeburg M100C > 7. Wurlitzer 1015 > 8. Wurlitzer 2000 > 9. Rock-Ola 1426 > 10. Wurlitzer 1100 > > How's this for a start? > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] > On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:40 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox production numbers > > SSG Rich Myers wrote: > > > Is there a website that ranks jukes?? It would be > neat to > know...production > > runs...by year...by make/model.... > > Tom's Zone has done a pretty good job of this by tracking > serial numbers > submitted by the community.? I'm not sure if he's > keeping it current, > site says through December 22, 2001.? Interesting > tidbit on the Seeburg > page about the serial numbers being coded to the > distributor or region. > > http://tomszone.com/History.html > > Also, Stamann has a similar page tallying serial > numbers.? This doesn't > have quite as much detail. > > http://www.jbw-forum.de/sdb/ > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - > WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - > Release Date: 01/12/10 > 13:35:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Jan 13 18:25:59 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Jan 13 18:27:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frozen screw removal question:Seeburg R pinbank bottom plate References: <18c5f.4c82949e.387fcf57@aol.com> Message-ID: <000a01ca94c0$e8f54420$48944e18@compaq> Usually striking the end of the screwdriver with a hammer while turning it at the same time will work. The striking shocks the threads and helps to release it. The proper tool would be an impact driver. This is a spring loaded tool with interchangeable tips. You hit it with a hammer and the spring load action shocks the screw and turns slightly enough to release it. If you don't have one you can use the screwdriver and hammer to accomplish the same thing. Good luck Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:37 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frozen screw removal question:Seeburg R pinbank bottom plate >I have a Seeburg R pinbank with a frozen screw in the bottom curved plate > that covers the group relay contacts. > I had 2 but after many colorful words some heat application and using a > big > pair of locking pliers gripping the sides after I stripped the phillips > screw head one of the 2 is out. I pinched a finger and made it bleed and > blistered my other hand getting it out also. > > The remaining one is more stubborn even yet. I have it soaking in PB > blaster now but still am doubtful it will get to the threads where it's > needed.The threads on the one that came out were quite rusty. > > Anybody have any tricks for removing such a screw other than cutting the > head off or drilling it out? > > I'll let it soak overnight before I deal with it again. > > J.C. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Wed Jan 13 19:02:36 2010 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David G..) Date: Wed Jan 13 19:04:17 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frozen screw removal question:Seeburg R pinbankbottom plate In-Reply-To: <18c5f.4c82949e.387fcf57@aol.com> References: <18c5f.4c82949e.387fcf57@aol.com> Message-ID: try slotting the head with a dremmel and then use a standard screwdriver in the slot. There's a penetrating oil used in the aviation industry called Aerocroil that really works well too. David G... -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:37 PM To: Cc: Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frozen screw removal question:Seeburg R pinbankbottom plate > I have a Seeburg R pinbank with a frozen screw in the bottom curved > plate > that covers the group relay contacts. > I had 2 but after many colorful words some heat application and using a > big > pair of locking pliers gripping the sides after I stripped the phillips > screw head one of the 2 is out. I pinched a finger and made it bleed and > blistered my other hand getting it out also. > > The remaining one is more stubborn even yet. I have it soaking in PB > blaster now but still am doubtful it will get to the threads where it's > needed.The threads on the one that came out were quite rusty. > > Anybody have any tricks for removing such a screw other than cutting the > head off or drilling it out? > > I'll let it soak overnight before I deal with it again. > > J.C. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jeremy at dwave.net Wed Jan 13 19:53:53 2010 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Wed Jan 13 19:55:28 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frozen screw removal question:Seeburg R pinbank bottom plate In-Reply-To: <18c5f.4c82949e.387fcf57@aol.com> References: <18c5f.4c82949e.387fcf57@aol.com> Message-ID: <20100114035243.M4104@dwave.net> Dry ice - if you can get it easily. It shrinks the screw. Jeremy Agema On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:37:27 EST, jjmscf wrote > I have a Seeburg R pinbank ?with a frozen screw in the bottom curved ?plate > that covers the group relay contacts. > I had 2 but after many colorful words some heat application and using a big > pair of locking pliers gripping the sides after I stripped the phillips > screw ?head one of the 2 is out. I pinched a finger and made it bleed and > blistered my ?other hand getting it out also. > > The remaining one is more stubborn even yet. I have it soaking in PB ? > blaster now but still am doubtful it will get to the threads where it's ? > needed.The threads on the one that came out were quite rusty. > > Anybody have any tricks for removing such a screw other than cutting the ? > head off or drilling it out? > > I'll let it soak overnight before I deal with it again. > > J.C. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 21:13:52 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 13 21:15:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frozen screw removal question:Seeburg R pinbank bottom plate In-Reply-To: <18c5f.4c82949e.387fcf57@aol.com> Message-ID: <623756.41349.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Die-no-mite !?? Get thee to a good hardware store and buy what's called an "Easy-out". That may be a brand name--anyway the "Friendly hardwr. store person" should be able to show you how to use it,? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/13/10, jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: jjmscf@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frozen screw removal question:Seeburg R pinbank bottom plate To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 5:37 PM I have a Seeburg R pinbank? with a frozen screw in the bottom curved? plate that covers the group relay contacts. I had 2 but after many colorful words some heat application and using a big pair of locking pliers gripping the sides after I stripped the phillips screw? head one of the 2 is out. I pinched a finger and made it bleed and blistered my? other hand getting it out also. The remaining one is more stubborn even yet. I have it soaking in PB? blaster now but still am doubtful it will get to the threads where it's? needed.The threads on the one that came out were quite rusty. Anybody have any tricks for removing such a screw other than cutting the? head off or drilling it out? I'll let it soak overnight before I deal with it again. J.C. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 21:19:11 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 13 21:19:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frozen screw removal question:Seeburg R pinbank bottom plate In-Reply-To: <000a01ca94c0$e8f54420$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: <68545.43248.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yea, but Joey---this is a SMALL screw --- he's not working on a bolt from a car--? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Frozen screw removal question:Seeburg R pinbank bottom plate To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 6:25 PM Usually striking the end of the screwdriver with a hammer while turning it at the same time will work.? The striking shocks the threads and helps to release it. The proper tool would be an impact driver.? This is a spring loaded tool with interchangeable tips. You hit it with a hammer and the spring load action shocks the screw and turns slightly enough to release it. If you don't have one you can use the screwdriver and hammer to accomplish the same thing. Good luck Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:37 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frozen screw removal question:Seeburg R pinbank bottom plate > I have a Seeburg R pinbank? with a frozen screw in the bottom curved? plate > that covers the group relay contacts. > I had 2 but after many colorful words some heat application and using a big > pair of locking pliers gripping the sides after I stripped the phillips > screw? head one of the 2 is out. I pinched a finger and made it bleed and > blistered my? other hand getting it out also. > > The remaining one is more stubborn even yet. I have it soaking in PB > blaster now but still am doubtful it will get to the threads where it's > needed.The threads on the one that came out were quite rusty. > > Anybody have any tricks for removing such a screw other than cutting the > head off or drilling it out? > > I'll let it soak overnight before I deal with it again. > > J.C. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 14 01:55:13 2010 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Thu Jan 14 01:57:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox top 10 Message-ID: <607866.98244.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Rich, there are so many great machines produced over the years, it would be hard to narrow down to a top 10. I would certainly add the following W750, W950, W1700, Rockolas 1428, 1454, tempo 2, Premier, President, Commando, Spectravox, Seeburg 146/7/8, Philbin Meistro, Chantal Meteor. Regards Gary --- On Thu, 14/1/10, S.R. Boland wrote: > From: S.R. Boland > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox production numbers > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, 14 January, 2010, 1:57 > Should the AMI H and AMI I be on that > list?? Seems like they're really in demand, almost as > much as the Continentals. > > > S.R. "Boris" Boland > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > From: SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox production > numbers > > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:25 PM > > I have seen those sites and > > contributed what I could to Stamann's site.? I > > think Kyle mentioned a top ten list. > > > > If the group had to come to consensus, what would the > top > > 10 jukes of all > > time be?? I know there are many different ways to > > measure it....production, > > popularity, collectability...ect.? Let's use > > collectability as a base line. > > > > My limited knowledge would probably be. > > > > 1. Wurlitzer 850 > > 2. Seeburg V200 > > 3. Seeburg V200L > > 4. Rock-Ola 1434 (Super Rocket) > > 5. AMi Continental > > 6. Seeburg M100C > > 7. Wurlitzer 1015 > > 8. Wurlitzer 2000 > > 9. Rock-Ola 1426 > > 10. Wurlitzer 1100 > > > > How's this for a start? > > > > Rich > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] > > On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan > > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:40 PM > > To: Jukebox mailing list > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox production > numbers > > > > SSG Rich Myers wrote: > > > > > Is there a website that ranks jukes?? It would > be > > neat to > > know...production > > > runs...by year...by make/model.... > > > > Tom's Zone has done a pretty good job of this by > tracking > > serial numbers > > submitted by the community.? I'm not sure if he's > > keeping it current, > > site says through December 22, 2001.? Interesting > > tidbit on the Seeburg > > page about the serial numbers being coded to the > > distributor or region. > > > > http://tomszone.com/History.html > > > > Also, Stamann has a similar page tallying serial > > numbers.? This doesn't > > have quite as much detail. > > > > http://www.jbw-forum.de/sdb/ > > > > -- > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 > 884-6323 - > > WB6RDV > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - > > Release Date: 01/12/10 > > 13:35:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ascott822 at aol.com Thu Jan 14 08:40:16 2010 From: ascott822 at aol.com (ascott822@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 14 08:42:18 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1954 Rockola Fireball Comet hi-fi 120 Message-ID: <8CC634F62BFBB48-74C8-8757@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> Please advise as to the desirability of the Fireball. Is it comparable to Seeburg C? What might one expect to pay for unrestored but complete box with usual cosmetic blemishes? What problems are most common with this model and are there perhaps some parts hard to come by? I like the fact that the record lays flat making the label visible. Thinking seriously about purchase. Any comments appreciated. Allen Scott From bpgbpg at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 08:40:37 2010 From: bpgbpg at comcast.net (Brad Grant) Date: Thu Jan 14 08:44:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Jukebox production numbers Message-ID: <69C9988F-20D5-4D9C-9E4B-C3B4C31211F3@comcast.net> I have to agree that the 950 should be on the list, but I would put it at better than #5. Have to agree that the 1015 is in the #1 spot. The list with the 1434 in the top 5 is interesting, I always thought I was one of it's only fans :-). Brad, Vacaville, CA http://www.jukeboxnut.com From bpgbpg at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 08:35:54 2010 From: bpgbpg at comcast.net (Brad Grant) Date: Thu Jan 14 08:45:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: CFL or LED substitute (NotarySojac) Message-ID: <30B76A17-A6A9-4C74-BF46-687A49F16FD8@comcast.net> If the #89 will glow bright enough, cointaker.com has them at a pretty reasonable price. If you are serious about this, I have an 89 LED and a Trashcan, I could try it out and see what it looks like. I am afraid though the poster discussing dispersion is dead-on-- it's not gonna look the same. Brad From juker17 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 14 09:09:02 2010 From: juker17 at yahoo.com (Jim Mcclave) Date: Thu Jan 14 09:10:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1954 Rockola Fireball Comet hi-fi 120 In-Reply-To: <8CC634F62BFBB48-74C8-8757@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC634F62BFBB48-74C8-8757@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <895367.16068.qm@web45707.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I have one Allen , its a pretty good sounding machine. Some say Rockola copied the Seeburg C in design, I do see some similarities. Probably the toughest thing to work on with it is the pinbank/carousel. Its a toughie to take all apart and clean the contacts. etc. If you have one thats missing selections, or not selectiond certain selections, it probably needs to be worked on. The amp is pretty easy to re-build, and power suppy too. Not sure of the current prices on them , as prices have been kinda low lately on all jukes it seems. Jim ________________________________ From: "ascott822@aol.com" To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 11:40:16 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1954 Rockola Fireball Comet hi-fi 120 Please advise as to the desirability of the Fireball. Is it comparable to Seeburg C? What might one expect to pay for unrestored but complete box with usual cosmetic blemishes?? What problems are most common with this model and are there perhaps some parts hard to come by?? I like the fact that the record lays flat making the label visible.? Thinking seriously about purchase. Any comments appreciated.? Allen Scott _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From Fred at proteamcorvette.com Thu Jan 14 09:06:59 2010 From: Fred at proteamcorvette.com (Fred Michaelis) Date: Thu Jan 14 09:18:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1436 Dome plastic for sale Message-ID: <44426E7E-5785-4A9B-8729-BC1DB03CAB37@proteamcorvette.com> Im work on reproducing the 3 pc plastic dome for Rock-Ola 1436 any interest in the plastic dome e- mail me Thanks Fred From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jan 14 09:19:17 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jan 14 09:21:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: CFL or LED substitute (NotarySojac) In-Reply-To: <30B76A17-A6A9-4C74-BF46-687A49F16FD8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <195447.21151.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Brad, "Dispersion" is the word I could not ome up with--perfect description. I attempted to replace the lamps in a 3W1 with LED's on the program page--can not read the strips---BTW--Autoparts stores sell the "89", and other, LED's.? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 1/14/10, Brad Grant wrote: From: Brad Grant Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: CFL or LED substitute (NotarySojac) To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:35 AM If the #89 will glow bright enough, cointaker.com has them at a pretty reasonable price. If you are serious about this, I have an 89 LED and a Trashcan, I could try it out and see what it looks like. I am afraid though the poster discussing dispersion is dead-on-- it's not gonna look the same. Brad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jan 14 09:19:09 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jan 14 09:22:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1954 Rockola Fireball Comet hi-fi 120 Message-ID: <20100114.121909.3951.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hello Allen: Rockola produced 2 versions of the Comet Fireball 120 select 45 RPM jukebox in 1953-54. These were called model 1438 and 1446. There were also compact size models made that held 50 selections using the same mechanism. These were not produced in the same quanties as the more popular Seeburg M100C, but these are considered to be highly collectible jukeboxes by RockOla fanciers. Many RO owners like the appeal of seeing the record played in front of them. Record play is not as visible in the vertical play jukes made by Seeburg and Wurlitzer. Physically the Seeburg C cabinet and the RO 1438 are about the same size and have the same general shape. The Seeburg C had revolving color organs in the pilasters flanking the speaker grill. The Rockola pilaster lamps are stationary. There are some after market makers that have a revolving lighting kit that can be installed into a 1438/1446 pilaster set. On it's own, the 1438 is a highly colorful machine. The 1446 the next year featured a slightly different color scheme and a slightly modified amp/speaker system. You can generally buy a RO Comet in restored condition for $500-$1000 less than A Seeburg C will command. Because the Seeburg C's are plentiful, and are big candidates for restoration, there are many replicated cabinet, glass and trim parts available if you are planning to buy a non working juke and rehab it yourself. On the other hand, there are a few replicated cabinet, trim parts available for the RO Comets but not many. A good place to look for parts for either machine is Victory Glass (web: www.victoryglass.com) VG bought out the remaining vinyl-play jukebox inventory of RockOla when the company was sold in the 90's, with parts going back to these models. You need to dig for it on their website but there are over 15 screens worth of original RO parts listings. Other than the parts issue, the restoration effort required for either juke is comparable. If you wanted to compare the sound quality of the Seeburg C vs. the RockOla, the Seeburg wins. Both jukes use a 25 watt vacuum tube sound system driving a single 15" full range speaker, but Seeburg has an advantage in a "bigger" sounding audio character, and less wear/tear scuff-damage to records. With either juke, it will be necessary to upgrade to a stereo compatible cartridge to play the later-issue stereo records. The RO 1438 of 1953, used a single 15" field coil speaker. The 1446 was outfitted with an improved amplifier and had a 12" woofer and high-freq horn speakers. Electrically/electronically the RO machines are simpler in their circuitry than the Seeburg, but are more complex mechanically. The RO mechanisms in these machines were used in many later models so that parts/service is not really a problem with these. Once properly refurbished, either unit is a dependable runner and will hold it's investment value. Hope this helps answer your question, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=hL6auFSIrUuWjl3pR27d5gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Jan 14 10:30:25 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Jan 14 10:32:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Reputable shippers, USA. Message-ID: Ron, don't sweat it. The guy's not ready to send it quite yet. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Jan 14 14:07:02 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Jan 14 14:08:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox top 10 In-Reply-To: <688CD917AAFE4F35AF9AB43CA989A294@p4> Message-ID: <751287.58261.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 1/12/10, SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > If the group had to come to consensus, what would the top > 10 jukes of all time be? I know there are many different > ways to measure it....production, popularity, > collectability...ect. Let's use collectability as a > base line. "Collectability" is an awfully subjective criterion, difficult to define, and it can change with time. I'd suggest that if you're really talking about the "top 10" you should consider the significance that a particular machine had in the history of the industry. That would be both technological and design significance. To winnow down the field of contenders a little, I'd omit pre-electric devices like the nickel-in-the-slot Phonographs and Graphophones that were popular at the turn of the last century. Likewise the Multiphone, which was a non-electric selectable cylinder machine with cylinders loaded on mandrels on a ferris wheel assembly. All of these machines were victims of the "first death" of the jukebox in the 1910s when orchestrons in public and phonographs in the home supplanted public playing of recorded music. I'll also eliminate non- selective machines like the Capehart Orchestrope, which were just fancy home phonographs with a coin slot. So, with those caveats, here's a list of 10 machines I'd nominate for consideration for a top-10 list: AMI "National Automatic Selective Phonograph", 1926. First electrically amplified, selectable phonograph, using the same basic mechanism they retained for 30 years. Played both sides of a record, a capability shunned by other manufacturers until decades later. Wurlitzer Debutante 1933. The first machine produced by Wurlitzer, and the first featuring the Simplex mechanism that would dominate the market for 15 years. Wurlitzer model 312 1935. The first machine designed by Paul Fuller, the king of jukebox design in 1930s and 1940s. Seeburg Symphonola Classic, 1938. The first "light-up" jukebox, a design idiom that dominated jukebox styling for a decade. Wurlitzer 1015, 1946. Widely regarded as Paul Fuller's masterpiece. Seeburg Model M100-A, 1949. First high-capacity phonograph, first major break from "lightup" design idioms, first (and only) phonograph to play 10" and 12" records, the machine that ended Wurlitzer's dominance forever. Seeburg Model M100-B, 1950. First machine to play 45 RPM records. Seeburg model HF100-R, 1953. The first of the 1950s' "futureluxe" designs. Rock-ola Model 1436 (Fireball), 1952. The first machine to feature a circular record rack, a feature soon adopted by AMI and Wurlitzer as well. Also the highest-capacity 78 jukebox. AMI F-Series, 1954. First truly high fidelity jukebox. Well, that's ten and I'm only up to the mid-50s. Maybe a top-25 list? From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 14:40:43 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Thu Jan 14 14:42:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox top 10 In-Reply-To: <751287.58261.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <688CD917AAFE4F35AF9AB43CA989A294@p4> <751287.58261.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D405C21298544179760DBC239EA4879@p4> I agree that collectability paints with a broad stroke. Maybe I should have said; popular among collectors instead. From what I gather from your list, it is a top 10 'firsts' in jukebox history, yet another measuring stick. But do 'firsts' translate into desire? Are these the top 10 machines that collectors search out? Speaking for myself, I would not turn down any of these classics....but I bet for the most part, they command collectors $$$$ when restored. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:07 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox top 10 --- On Tue, 1/12/10, SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > If the group had to come to consensus, what would the top > 10 jukes