From donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 1 04:15:44 2010 From: donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com (luke & lucy) Date: Mon Feb 1 04:16:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: OT "Soldiers"? References: <692653.36165.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <669D1EE4889B453A8FC3FD850AEFEE9A@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <44BC9F1D2BCB48D5BFE36A531E13F42E@DBTOA000> Personally I prefer fresh bread to toasted, lots of butter. as for how to serve them - be careful 2 countries went to war over which end to open, pointed or round though one was Lilliput! Luke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juke of Shrewsbury" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:37 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: OT "Soldiers"? > ..... thin strips of toasted bread, for dipping in the runny yoke of the > egg! (So called because when lined up on the plate ready for the meal they > resemble a row of soldiers) Especially good with lots of salt... but > that's > frowned on these days. > > Interesting cultural differences - I thought everyone liked soft boiled > eggs! > > Adrian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Strange ? > > > Ah, come on guys--what are "soldiers" ?--since we ain't go em, I don't > know > what they are ??? Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, David Breneman wrote: > > From: David Breneman > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Strange ? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:28 AM > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, luke & lucy wrote: > >> Sorry to go off topic but how do >> Americans eat boiled eggs? you dont have soldiers? > > As a rule, Americans don't. At least not at a sit-down > meal. They're more of a picnic type item. Americans > usually eat breakfast eggs fried, scrambled, poached, > etc. I love soft or medium boiled eggs. It's great to > smoosh and spread one on a roll with a slice of cheese. > But in the US, even a medium-boilded egg would be considered > dangerously under cooked. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2659 - Release Date: 01/31/10 06:39:00 From cew142 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 04:42:46 2010 From: cew142 at yahoo.com (Jay) Date: Mon Feb 1 04:43:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality In-Reply-To: <8CC710E17FB79AB-36B0-22D48@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <675729.18318.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No, this one doesn't have the ears. --- On Sun, 1/31/10, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > From: jhayes2613@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 11:28 PM > Your room was dark so I couldn't > tell... do you have the two "ear" speakers on either side of > your top menu glass? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:16 pm > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 > sound quality > > > I know I am beating a dead horse with this sound quality > question. > > One thing is for sure, there is a difference in sound. > > Does my AY sound like an AY should?? Or do you notice > a muffled sound?? Is that > the distinct Seeburg sound?? Is this normal? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuzA4zmOrk > > If you compare it with my Wurlly, there is a noticable > difference. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhzI3Mhgxuo > > Any comments are greatly appreciated!!! > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Feb 1 05:33:02 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 1 05:34:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality In-Reply-To: <675729.18318.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC715A366E4C53-15EC-297B6@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com> Duh... I was thinking of the DS. My bad. Pretty box, though. I'm sure you'll get the audio issue worked out. -----Original Message----- From: Jay To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 6:42 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality No, this one doesn't have the ears. --- On Sun, 1/31/10, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 11:28 PM Your room was dark so I couldn't tell... do you have the two "ear" speakers on either side of your top menu glass? -----Original Message----- From: Jay To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:16 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality I know I am beating a dead horse with this sound quality question. One thing is for sure, there is a difference in sound. Does my AY sound like an AY should? Or do you notice a muffled sound? Is that the distinct Seeburg sound? Is this normal? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuzA4zmOrk If you compare it with my Wurlly, there is a noticable difference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhzI3Mhgxuo Any comments are greatly appreciated!!! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 05:34:25 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Feb 1 05:35:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality In-Reply-To: <8CC710E17FB79AB-36B0-22D48@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8497.80626.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: Jay > Does my AY sound like an AY should? Or do you notice > a muffled sound? Is that > the distinct Seeburg sound? Is this normal? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuzA4zmOrk It's awfully hard to judge sound quality from the ambient audio picked up from a crummy little on-camera microphone (and even the ones on "semi-pro" cameras are crummy). But, except for when the camera swoops within a few inches of the speaker grille, it sounds awfully muffled. Is that the way it sounds in the room as well? From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Feb 1 06:47:30 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Mon Feb 1 06:53:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC Cartridge for 78s?? Message-ID: I just finished ordering an NP/AC cart from John Durfee's site for the G-200 I'm restoring. I noticed that after the main catalog entry for the cart, John's got two replacement styluses available - one's a diamond tip for 33s and 45s, and the other is a diamond tip for 78s. HUH??!! Could you really use an NP/AC in a 78 machine through a pre-amp? Just the thought of an amazing cart like that in my Trashcan running through a pre-amp into the amp is enough to make me want to run-out an buy a case of them! I realize that the NP/AC is also used in a regular stereo turntable - and that's probably the correct demographic for the 78 stylus especially if the turntable can play 78s - but now I'm really curious about jukebox use. First issue that comes to mind is the possibility of noise being introduced into the cart especially if the juke isn't grounded properly. The second issue I see is whether or not the stylus can take the punishment of being slammed into by a lifting turntable and/or the tracking issues that come with a somewhat heavy tone-arm. Has anyone every tried this before? Aaron From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Mon Feb 1 07:27:29 2010 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Mon Feb 1 07:28:48 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC Cartridge for 78s?? Message-ID: Hey Aaron! Those styli are GREAT for 78 play, as well as the Stanton 500 like used in the Super Sound Kit that victory glass sells. The problem with using that type of cantilevered styli in a jukebox is the amount of tracking force required to trip the mechanism, as well as the need to overcome the bounce when the arm contacts the record. The Stanton version was modified by placing a small blob of rtv silicone above the cantilever to stop the bounce and allow it to be tracked at a much greater weight than it was ever designed to be tracked at! The result is fantastic sound and greater record wear, If you need an example I have a spare I can take a picture of and post....... Mel From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Feb 1 07:29:35 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Mon Feb 1 07:30:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC Cartridge for 78s?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A friend of mine has one in a Wurlitzer 750 playing 78's. The sound is excellent and record wear minimised. The stylus cantilever does however have some silicone between it and the plastic grip, as the usual tracking weight of the arm would push the stylus into the cartridge. Careful adjustment of the trip is necessary but it all works perfectly. Virtually invisible when viewing the tone arm playing too. Nigel, UK > I just finished ordering an NP/AC cart from John Durfee's site for the > G-200 > I'm restoring. I noticed that after the main catalog entry for the cart, > John's got two replacement styluses available - one's a diamond tip for > 33s > and 45s, and the other is a diamond tip for 78s. HUH??!! Could you really > use an NP/AC in a 78 machine through a pre-amp? Just the thought of an > amazing cart like that in my Trashcan running through a pre-amp into the > amp > is enough to make me want to run-out an buy a case of them! I realize that > the NP/AC is also used in a regular stereo turntable - and that's probably > the correct demographic for the 78 stylus especially if the turntable can > play 78s - but now I'm really curious about jukebox use. > > First issue that comes to mind is the possibility of noise being > introduced > into the cart especially if the juke isn't grounded properly. The second > issue I see is whether or not the stylus can take the punishment of being > slammed into by a lifting turntable and/or the tracking issues that come > with a somewhat heavy tone-arm. > > Has anyone every tried this before? > > Aaron > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 07:34:41 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 1 07:35:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC Cartridge for 78s?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <385352.62117.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Aaron, Just thinkin', off the top of my pointy head----I ran into just about that situation many years ago--an old Seeburg of some type that had been "converted" to use a Sure 44 type cartridge. When I first saw it, the needle had been broken off ( no tip). This was due, I think, to the fact that the phono had just been "re-located", without having the tonearm ( or anything else) tied down. I called the (former) owner of West-tech and asked what he could do.? He came up with a re-tipped needle and a support system for the needle shank that worked really well, sounded great too. So, judging from that, I would assume it to be possible to do just about the same thing with a NP/AC--depending upon whom was making the needle, and if the maker had carefully considered the tone am "weight"--- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Aaron H wrote: From: Aaron H Subject: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC Cartridge for 78s?? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 6:47 AM I just finished ordering an NP/AC cart from John Durfee's site for the G-200 I'm restoring. I noticed that after the main catalog entry for the cart, John's got two replacement styluses available - one's a diamond tip for 33s and 45s, and the other is a diamond tip for 78s. HUH??!! Could you really use an NP/AC in a 78 machine through a pre-amp? Just the thought of an amazing cart like that in my Trashcan running through a pre-amp into the amp is enough to make me want to run-out an buy a case of them! I realize that the NP/AC is also used in a regular stereo turntable - and that's probably the correct demographic for the 78 stylus especially if the turntable can play 78s - but now I'm really curious about jukebox use. First issue that comes to mind is the possibility of noise being introduced into the cart especially if the juke isn't grounded properly. The second issue I see is whether or not the stylus can take the punishment of being slammed into by a lifting turntable and/or the tracking issues that come with a somewhat heavy tone-arm. Has anyone every tried this before? Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 1 07:42:05 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Feb 1 07:43:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Nice set of buttons for Rock-Ola '39 LL Message-ID: <184593.96532.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you need buttons for your '39 Luxury Lightup you might be interested in eBay #300392200882 These, I believe, are being sold by one George Gaumont. George, are you tracking this list? Bob - Chicago From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Feb 1 07:38:47 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Mon Feb 1 07:46:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC Cartridge for 78s?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the replies, Gents. I had a feeling that the cantilever had to be "adjusted" slightly since I had to do exactly the same thing in my F and G jukes. While the sound is amazing, the stylus just doesn't have enough tracking force to stay in place if a record playing has some heavy beats or bass going on. Before I modified the stylus with the silicone, the needle would jump forward on every beat especially if my wife was playing her disco records! I may just give this a try! A. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Mel Knight wrote: > Hey Aaron! > > Those styli are GREAT for 78 play, as well as the Stanton 500 > like used in the Super Sound Kit that victory glass sells. > The problem with using that type of cantilevered styli in a jukebox is the > amount of tracking force required to trip the > mechanism, as well as the need to overcome the bounce when the arm contacts > the record. The Stanton version was modified by > placing a small blob of rtv silicone above the cantilever to stop the > bounce and allow it to be tracked at a much greater weight than > it was ever designed to be tracked at! The result is fantastic sound and > greater record wear, If you need an example I have a spare > I can take a picture of and post....... Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From cew142 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 08:23:20 2010 From: cew142 at yahoo.com (Jay) Date: Mon Feb 1 08:24:28 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality In-Reply-To: <8497.80626.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <475244.10191.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> David, Yes that is exactly what it sounds like. The whole room is filled up with that muffled sound. No one seems to believe me. I made sure the crossover is set for two speakers. I have interchanged 3 different sets of cartridges and needles(used and new). Really, I saw no change other than a small amount of bass pickup. The treble is up on high and the bass is set to medium. I haven't tried different speakers yet. Speaking of which, I have a DS amp in this. What ohm of speaker can I use to the "ears" connector? Is there any special type of speaker requirement for that? --- On Mon, 2/1/10, David Breneman wrote: > From: David Breneman > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 8:34 AM > From: Jay > > > Does my AY sound like an AY should?? Or do you > notice > > a muffled sound?? Is that > > the distinct Seeburg sound?? Is this normal? > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuzA4zmOrk > > It's awfully hard to judge sound quality from the ambient > audio picked up from a crummy little on-camera microphone > (and even the ones on "semi-pro" cameras are crummy).? > But, > except for when the camera swoops within a few inches of > the speaker grille, it sounds awfully muffled.? Is > that > the way it sounds in the room as well? > > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Mon Feb 1 09:14:48 2010 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Mon Feb 1 09:15:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg G problem In-Reply-To: <882464.5825.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <000e01caa1f7$989ef9f0$0401a8c0@IBMCamargo> <882464.5825.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I had a similar problem with my G, but it was that all the "K's" would not cancel and sometimes would not select at all (it would not remove credit either). The problem turned out to be the actual "K" selector button. The tab had broken off inside, so it was not pushing down all the way to make the selection and then cancel it. Replacing the button solved everything. I suggest you remove the selector button assembly and check out each letter or number that is giving you problems. Ensure too that the metal piece is attached to each button. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2010, January, 31 1:24 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg G problem Jeff, My guess is that you have tw problems, related only by the fact that they are both at the same end of the SA unit. The one that "won't pull" can be a "dirty washer/pin", bad/bent "common" on the grounding plate, or a bad coil. I am somewhat confused by your terms--If you are saying it "does not cancel", and you are saying that the pin is not moved back to the non-selected position, I would check the alignment of the contact block. If you are saying the SELECTION (record itself) does not cancel (after playing)--mis adjusted record trip off switch/counterbalance spring assembly. If the contact block is "parking" over a selected pin, with the "select" contact touching it, the mech will cancel the record as the tone arm sets down--once again, contact block alignment. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg G problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 2:00 PM Worked on several things on this jukebox, the last was the 'cancel' step. Cleaned the 'C', the 'SC', and the 'LC/RC' switches and 'Cancel' now works... Except... K9 does not cancel - the pin does not fire.? Also, K8 selects but does not play, it cancels right away. (I think I have those right - Odd towards the back, Even towards the front - reverse them if I'm wrong - ha!) What is it about this end of the juke that I need to look at? TIA! Jeff _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. L?exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s?y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu?il contient par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m?en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. From stamann at jukebox-world.de Mon Feb 1 09:44:56 2010 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Mon Feb 1 09:47:59 2010 Subject: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] Picture of original Seeburg 'R' grille cloth -re:Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 78, Issue 30 Message-ID: Hello David, so far we didn't get any requests for that AMI A fabric. I don't have an AMI A model to check on that - maybe you can send a picture? Best regards - Oliver Stamann -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von David Breneman Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Januar 2010 20:15 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] Picture of original Seeburg 'R' grille cloth -re:Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 78, Issue 30 --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Stamann wrote: > We are also trying to get some fabrics been made for 78RPM [Seeburg] > models. The fabric on my M100A is original. It's pretty faded, but I wouldn't replace it unless I could find an exact match to the original. My philosophy of restoration is more on the lines of preservation. A factory-fresh looking jukebox is a beautiful thing, but too often people have (or want) to resort to finishes that are similar (or in some cases totally dissimilar) to the original but not the same. In extreme cases it can be like the old joke about George Washington's "original" hatchet. Maybe I'm just rationalizing my own laziness, but I like to keep as much original finish on a machine as I can. This isn't a criticism of those who do full-blown restorations, just a statement of my personal approach to it. That said, are you (the Stamanns) considering reproducing the gold fabric for the record changer "stage" in the AMI Model A? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinplayers at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 10:30:38 2010 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Mon Feb 1 10:38:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend Message-ID: <8cf1842e1002011030g2cca60c3t231bfb77c9c7aca8@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone well I'm really excited about my find over the weekend. It is a Seeburg 222 complete very dirty (layers of smoke). Everything is there with the exception of the coin mech. Needs both an Amp and Receiver unit rebuild. I picked it up with the thought in mind of doing a ground up restoration. This will be my first complete Restoration and I had a few questions I wanted to ask. Who offers the best rebuild kits? I have purchased them from Friday night Jukebox in the past but have been told the orange tear drops caps are the best? Also I going to repaint the cabinet both interior and exterior. Does anyone no the color code or mix for the interior. For the exterior was it a veneer or just paint. I did find discussion to the effect that there may have been more than on option for the exterior. Also I was going to send all chrome out for Restoration. Courtesy Chrome has been mentioned has anyone sent out all chrome for this model to be for restored? If so would you mind sharing how much it cost? I'm just looking for a reference point so I know what to expect when soliciting vendors. Regards Don. From joe400f at shaw.ca Mon Feb 1 11:25:57 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Mon Feb 1 11:27:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e1002011030g2cca60c3t231bfb77c9c7aca8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cf1842e1002011030g2cca60c3t231bfb77c9c7aca8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The correct amplifier for that model should be the SHFA-1. It is the first stereo amplifier by Seeburg. This is a very complicated amplifier to rebuild. If you are not very skilled, you should have someone do it for you. There is list members here that will do it. The tubes are alos expensive for that model but some members say that the newly 5879 made by Electroharmonix are good. Rechrome that machine including the dome frame is going to run $800-$1000. If that sounds high, try rechroming a Seeburg R or G with original pilisters. Get a manual and have fun. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Whiting Date: Monday, February 1, 2010 12:38 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend To: Jukebox mailing list > Hi everyone well I'm really excited about my find over the > weekend. It is a > Seeburg 222 complete very dirty (layers of smoke). Everything is > there with > the exception of the coin mech. Needs both an Amp and Receiver > unit rebuild. > I picked it up with the thought in mind of doing a ground up > restoration.This will be my first complete Restoration and I had > a few questions I > wanted to ask. Who offers the best rebuild kits? I have > purchased them from > Friday night Jukebox in the past but have been told the orange > tear drops > caps are the best? Also I going to repaint the cabinet both > interior and > exterior. Does anyone no the color code or mix for the interior. > For the > exterior was it a veneer or just paint. I did find discussion to > the effect > that there may have been more than on option for the exterior. > Also I was > going to send all chrome out for Restoration. Courtesy Chrome > has been > mentioned has anyone sent out all chrome for this model to be > for restored? > If so would you mind sharing how much it cost? I'm just looking > for a > reference point so I know what to expect when soliciting vendors. > > Regards Don. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Feb 1 11:45:20 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Mon Feb 1 11:46:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e1002011030g2cca60c3t231bfb77c9c7aca8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cf1842e1002011030g2cca60c3t231bfb77c9c7aca8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C6EE9B3-68E5-42BB-87BC-6B460630C935@verizon.net> Yeah Don, congratulations on your find!!! Another fine piece of Musical History on it's way to restoration Jackie On Feb 1, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Donald Whiting wrote: > Hi everyone well I'm really excited about my find over the weekend. It is a > Seeburg 222 complete very dirty (layers of smoke). Everything is there with > the exception of the coin mech. Needs both an Amp and Receiver unit rebuild. > I picked it up with the thought in mind of doing a ground up restoration. > This will be my first complete Restoration and I had a few questions I > wanted to ask. Who offers the best rebuild kits? I have purchased them from > Friday night Jukebox in the past but have been told the orange tear drops > caps are the best? Also I going to repaint the cabinet both interior and > exterior. Does anyone no the color code or mix for the interior. For the > exterior was it a veneer or just paint. I did find discussion to the effect > that there may have been more than on option for the exterior. Also I was > going to send all chrome out for Restoration. Courtesy Chrome has been > mentioned has anyone sent out all chrome for this model to be for restored? > If so would you mind sharing how much it cost? I'm just looking for a > reference point so I know what to expect when soliciting vendors. > > Regards Don. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinplayers at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 12:12:56 2010 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Mon Feb 1 12:14:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend In-Reply-To: References: <8cf1842e1002011030g2cca60c3t231bfb77c9c7aca8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e1002011212r4413cfe8o3213df8a0e6a3355@mail.gmail.com> The Amp in it is a SHFA-2. It had a Techs signature inside that stated rebuilt 1969. I have rebuilt several amps and even though it looks pretty intimidating I'm going for it. Also I spoke with Courtesy Chrome this afternoon they estimated all Die cast external components at 950.00. This included the wind frames and cross bar( not sure what they were referencing here?), speaker emblems, Keyboard casting, coin entry and push button, coin return bezel, speaker side panels, speaker grills. Don. From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Feb 1 12:18:57 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Mon Feb 1 12:20:04 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e1002011212r4413cfe8o3213df8a0e6a3355@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cf1842e1002011030g2cca60c3t231bfb77c9c7aca8@mail.gmail.com> <8cf1842e1002011212r4413cfe8o3213df8a0e6a3355@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Has anyone ever had an 1100 done at Courtesy and know what they charge for the whole lot? Aaron On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Donald Whiting wrote: > The Amp in it is a SHFA-2. It had a Techs signature inside that stated > rebuilt 1969. I have rebuilt several amps and even though it looks pretty > intimidating I'm going for it. Also I spoke with Courtesy Chrome this > afternoon they estimated all Die cast external components at 950.00. This > included the wind frames and cross bar( not sure what they were referencing > here?), speaker emblems, Keyboard casting, coin entry and push button, coin > return bezel, speaker side panels, speaker grills. > > Don. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From bpgbpg at comcast.net Mon Feb 1 12:39:54 2010 From: bpgbpg at comcast.net (Brad Grant) Date: Mon Feb 1 12:40:18 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 1250 rpm too fast Message-ID: <70EB926F-D325-4A3B-A7BE-53CE9E778D7F@comcast.net> My W 1250 runs the tt too fast. Anyone else have a problem like this on this era Wurlys and know how to solve? It's very slight, (maybe 79-80 instead of 78) but enough to make the songs stuck in my head sound different-- musically, it's about half a step. Thanks, Brad, Vacaville, CA From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 1 12:45:03 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Feb 1 12:46:10 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: OT "Soldiers"? Message-ID: <130999.6583.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OK, now you guys have gone and made me hungry! Ron's story made me think of this so I gotta chime in.... Way back a long long time ago, when I was in the U.S. Navy stationed at the submarine base in Groton Conn. I would go to the chow hall for breakfast and ALWAYS get a couple eggs over-easy (so the yolk was not firmed up), a couple scoops of their yummy hash browns and a couple slices of lightly browned toast. (If S.O.S. was on the menu I'd get that too, but that's another interesting story). I'd make a nice sandwich of the eggs and toast and then squish the sandwich so the still-warm yolk drizzled over the hash browns. I'm telling you, this combo was just heavenly! It is no fable that the submariners had the best food and cooks in the Navy. No, I was not a submariner, just a shore-based radioman stationed at that base and got to take advantage of their great food. Bob - Chicago P.S. There was this Greek restaurant just outside the base that made the most delicious pizza and grinders. Boy, what I wouldn't give to have one of those grinders: meatballs, red sauce & provolone on a soft Italian bun. Oh my! Ron Rich sez: "Adrian, Ah,ha, Now I understand--thanks ! You know the truth is I remember eating soft boiled eggs when I was a kid--just do not recall how/where they were served--I think we just dipped toasted bread in them--maybe half the shell was removed ?--but have no idea what they were served in (a "Seeburg" egg dish--I guess ?). I like them poached today, served on top of toast, or sometimes on top of my hash browns-- Ron Rich" From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 1 12:50:32 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Feb 1 12:51:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: OT "Soldiers"? Message-ID: <226473.52074.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, those Lilliputians were such small minded people! ~cymbal crash~ Bob - Chicago >Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:15:44 -0000 >From: "luke & lucy" >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: OT "Soldiers"? >To: "Jukebox mailing list" >Message-ID: <44BC9F1D2BCB48D5BFE36A531E13F42E@DBTOA000> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Personally I prefer fresh bread to toasted, lots of butter. as for how to >serve them - be careful 2 countries went to war over which end to open, >pointed or round though one was Lilliput! >Luke From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Feb 1 12:55:49 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Mon Feb 1 12:56:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 1250 rpm too fast In-Reply-To: <70EB926F-D325-4A3B-A7BE-53CE9E778D7F@comcast.net> References: <70EB926F-D325-4A3B-A7BE-53CE9E778D7F@comcast.net> Message-ID: Brad, I have a 1250, and although it's been about 10 years since I've monkeyed with the inner workings of the mech - so my memory isn't the greatest on this - I'll take a stab and say that it could be the fact that your idler wheel is not the correct size for 78rpm any longer. Is it the original? Hopefully someone can chime in on this one... but there could also be some gunk or debris on the turntable motor spindle. Does the speed issue exist on both the A side and B side of a record? Aaron On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brad Grant wrote: > My W 1250 runs the tt too fast. Anyone else have a problem like this on > this era Wurlys and know how to solve? It's very slight, (maybe 79-80 > instead of 78) but enough to make the songs stuck in my head sound > different-- musically, it's about half a step. > > Thanks, Brad, Vacaville, CA > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 12:56:16 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 1 12:58:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AAAK! Seeburg HF100R that got away. Message-ID: This listed in Sacramento yesterday. I bet it was gone in 30 minutes. It's certainly gone today (I called). $200 or offer! This guy was older and really didn't know what he had. http://sacramento.craigslist.org/atq/1579474115.html This is the deal you wait your whole life for. Too bad I was out and about yesterday. If I'd have seen this, I'd have been there with a truck immediately. It's only about a 90 minute drive. Oh well. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 13:00:23 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 1 13:01:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] update on AMI Message-ID: Re: Deposit Coin light. Yup, any night light or C-7 Christmas light bulb. I have a red blinking bulb in mine. Attracts attention. Looks cool. Since your whole jukebox is red, I'll send you a yellow blinking bulb. That looks good in them too. You want a little contrast to beckon patrons. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 13:10:10 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 1 13:11:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality Message-ID: This was just discussed. Suggestions. Open back door of AY. Treble: MAX Bass: MIN or MED IMPOTRANT: Black box between the speakers: Set switch to NO. "Yes" setting applies a high filter to the speakers, essentially turning it into a big woofer. Last: The AY speakers are BIG and can't reproduce highs well. I'm putting a couple tiny tweeters in mine mounted on a couple little metal strips attached to the outermost upper mounting screw of each speaker. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 13:17:53 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 1 13:22:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe MM-5 Amp Message-ID: <721140.52520.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Anyone have a Rowe MM-5 book that can do me a favor and look up the speaker connections to the (tube type) amp ? TIA ! Ron Rich From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 13:27:36 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 1 13:28:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality In-Reply-To: <475244.10191.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <899187.61994.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, What do you mean when you say the cross-over is "set fr two speakers" ? Do you have "twin stereo cv speakers" (or any other CV, or low ohm) connected to that phono, or are you just using the internal set ? What are all speakers tapped at ?? DS speakers, I think were 16 ohm--but I'm not sure. They also contained a cap of some value in the enclosure. If you get a set of DS speakers, you may connect them to the "4w" taps, and you don't need to have the "special plug".? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Jay wrote: From: Jay Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 8:23 AM David, Yes that is exactly what it sounds like.? The whole room is filled up with that muffled sound.? No one seems to believe me. I made sure the crossover is set for two speakers.? I have interchanged 3 different sets of cartridges and needles(used and new).? Really, I saw no change other than a small amount of bass pickup.? The treble is up on high and the bass is set to medium.? I haven't tried different speakers yet.? Speaking of which, I have a DS amp in this.? What ohm of speaker can I use to the "ears" connector?? Is there any special type of speaker requirement for that? --- On Mon, 2/1/10, David Breneman wrote: > From: David Breneman > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 8:34 AM >? From: Jay > > > Does my AY sound like an AY should?? Or do you > notice > > a muffled sound?? Is that > > the distinct Seeburg sound?? Is this normal? > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuzA4zmOrk > > It's awfully hard to judge sound quality from the ambient > audio picked up from a crummy little on-camera microphone > (and even the ones on "semi-pro" cameras are crummy).? > But, > except for when the camera swoops within a few inches of > the speaker grille, it sounds awfully muffled.? Is > that > the way it sounds in the room as well? > > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 13:36:30 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 1 13:37:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC Cartridge for 78s?? Message-ID: It's really not necessary to go with something as good as an NP/AC ? Stanton 500 for 78s, and probabaly not practical on machines with gigantic high mass heavy tonearms up to mid/late 1940s. If a ceramic element cartridge will work, you can go with almost any of the later flip over style cartridges (LP/78). I like the Astatic 133, and 78 styli are readily available. It has a frequency response approaching that of a basic magnetic and with the N56 stylus (red, rubber boot on cantilever), all the compliance you could want on 78s. The Astatic Power Points are a good choice, too, and can take up to 10 grams or so. The Shure 44 has a factory 78 stylus available and I believe it's supports up to 6 or 7 grams. 78 jukebox trip switches can be creatively replaced with a more modern microswitch that requires less pressure to operate. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 13:42:59 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 1 13:44:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe MM-5 Amp Message-ID: Crap. I had an MM5 a few years ago but the manual went with it. I should have kept that machine. It's one I've learned to appreciate more and more. IF I'm not mistaken. Tap #2 is the ground and #6 is the high power tap for the internal speakers. I don't know which color wire is which, though. I think they're relatively standard and I have a JAL manual at home I can check later. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ From stamann at jukebox-world.de Mon Feb 1 13:42:04 2010 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Mon Feb 1 13:46:02 2010 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Rowe MM-5 Amp Message-ID: Hello Ron, I sent the schematic to your address. Best regards - Oliver Stamann -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Ron Rich Gesendet: Montag, 1. Februar 2010 22:31 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: [Jukebox-list] Rowe MM-5 Amp Hi All, Anyone have a Rowe MM-5 book that can do me a favor and look up the speaker connections to the (tube type) amp ? TIA ! Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 13:59:49 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 1 14:00:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality Message-ID: Yes, the DS lower speakers are 16 ohms. Anyway, again, check the crossover unit mounted between the speakers. Set to "NO." I heard an AY (same speakers, etc. as a DS) with some kind of replacement speakers that made my jaw drop. It was like listening to a CD player. I wish I knew what they were. The guy who had it passed away a couple years ago. The amp was rebuilt, too. I think he found some 8 ohm speakers and added a resistor. If you could find 16 ohm coaxial replacements (center mounted tweeter), that would be the ticket. That might be easier said than done as 16 ohms isn't a common resistance these days. It could need an amp rebuild, too. Leaky caps can't reproduce highs well. Keep in mind, these jukes were both designed to have extension speakers (AY) and/or ears (DS). The cabinet speakers were for filler in the AY; the manual basically says it's mandatory to have extension speakers for stereo effect (sales gimmick). Seeburg basically addressed the "poor highs" problem in the DS by adding the upper speakers. Like I said, I added a set of tweeters to my AY (simply screwed to the top-back temporarily) and it sounds great with them. Lackluster without. Short version of my story: The AY and DS have mediocre sound by nature unless the ears or extensions are used. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 14:02:08 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 1 14:03:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe MM-5 Amp Message-ID: Oops. Looks like Oliver got you what you needed. Good. I would have forgotten by tonight! Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 14:43:57 2010 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Feb 1 14:45:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 220 Selection issue Message-ID: I'm currently looking at a very rough 220 that was brought to me for asessment and repairs (maybe). When I saw the cover was removed from the tormat I got nervous. The pricing unit is also missing but the ccu is there. It currently suffers from seeburgitis. Make a selection and the mech scans twice and stops. New 6X4 tube and OA2's are also fresh with nice purple glow and pulsing during scan. If i do the battery test on the tormat, it plays every selection so i guess i need to start looking toward the selection receiver? As i am writing this I realize that i did not check / clean the detent switch contacts. Comments? Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 14:53:24 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 1 14:54:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 220 Selection issue Message-ID: If it picks up selections, the detent switch is fine. That's a read-out part. It is reading-out. (It's reading the memory and playing the selection/s) You have a write in problem. Rebuild the pulse amplifier or the entire selection receiver thingy. Make sure all solenoids work freely and contacts are clean. I can't recall exactly what's in those, but those are the usual suspects. This is an easy fix. Clean her up, give her a lube job. Consider amplifier rebuild. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Feb 1 15:57:50 2010 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 1 15:59:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend Message-ID: <17f9.55f1ceea.3898c47e@aol.com> The SHFA-2 is from a Q but don't worry it works just fine in a 222.My own 222 has a SHFA2 in it. A 1969 rebuild is over 40 years old at this point and it may not have been completely recapped so I would rebuild it again. Now I know what it will cost if I have my chrome done. Mine is what they call refurbished. Cleaned up,amp and control center rebuilt,mech cleaned,new sideglass decals but the cabinet(The cabinet is a gray repaint matching the internal gray from some unknown time before I bought it) and chrome have not been redone.It is a working jukebox and in my living room. I understand you can't get the sideglass decals anymore and you have to buy the sideglasses if yours are peeling(most are)They cost about $220 Oh and the original finish on these was a material called Di-Noc kind of like a printed vinyl. The original pattern was a gray colored woodgrain from what I've seen in pictures.The manual calls it silver gray oriental walnut. Never seen one redone in the original color and pattern. J.C. In a message dated 2/1/2010 3:29:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pinplayers@gmail.com writes: The Amp in it is a SHFA-2. It had a Techs signature inside that stated rebuilt 1969. I have rebuilt several amps and even though it looks pretty intimidating I'm going for it. Also I spoke with Courtesy Chrome this afternoon they estimated all Die cast external components at 950.00. This included the wind frames and cross bar( not sure what they were referencing here?), speaker emblems, Keyboard casting, coin entry and push button, coin return bezel, speaker side panels, speaker grills. Don. From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Feb 1 16:05:53 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Mon Feb 1 16:06:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC for G200 Message-ID: Just got one a new cart for the G200. It looks great, but is missing the lugs for the 4 pins. I know it is never a good idea to solder directly to the cart. Anyone have 4 lugs to spare? Rich From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Feb 1 16:00:24 2010 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 1 16:08:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend Message-ID: <1933.7839cb01.3898c518@aol.com> What pray tell does a Seeburg R cost to rechrome? J.C. In a message dated 2/1/2010 2:27:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joe400f@shaw.ca writes: Rechrome that machine including the dome frame is going to run $800-$1000. If that sounds high, try rechroming a Seeburg R or G with original pilisters. From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Feb 1 16:10:36 2010 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 1 16:12:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AAAK! Seeburg HF100R that got away. Message-ID: <1df7.6fdc4081.3898c77c@aol.com> I think what really sucks is the wife made him get rid of that beautiful jukebox. Why are wives so cruel to their husbands sometimes? You mean there's no room in their entire new place of residence for it?What a music hater his wife must be. I guess he has to replace it with one of those Ipods that don't intrude on "her" living space. J.C. In a message dated 2/1/2010 3:59:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com writes: http://sacramento.craigslist.org/atq/1579474115.html From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Feb 1 16:18:14 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 1 16:19:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AAAK! Seeburg HF100R that got away. In-Reply-To: <1df7.6fdc4081.3898c77c@aol.com> References: <1df7.6fdc4081.3898c77c@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC71B458322468-790-4C6F@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> You really think that was a valid posting? I kind of think the guy just wanted to hear his phone ring for something to do. Why is it still listed? I bet it's a photo of someone ELSE's machine and the guy was just trying to yank a few chains. -----Original Message----- From: Jjmscf@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AAAK! Seeburg HF100R that got away. I think what really sucks is the wife made him get rid of that beautiful jukebox. Why are wives so cruel to their husbands sometimes? You mean there's no room in their entire new place of residence for it?What a music hater his wife must be. I guess he has to replace it with one of those Ipods that don't intrude on "her" living space. J.C. In a message dated 2/1/2010 3:59:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com writes: http://sacramento.craigslist.org/atq/1579474115.html _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jugert at msn.com Mon Feb 1 16:35:28 2010 From: jugert at msn.com (Don Jugert) Date: Mon Feb 1 16:36:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AAAK! Seeburg HF100R that got away. In-Reply-To: <8CC71B458322468-790-4C6F@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> References: <1df7.6fdc4081.3898c77c@aol.com>, <8CC71B458322468-790-4C6F@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I think I restored this R. I sold this juke to someone in New Jersey about 20 years ago. I have had this jukebox featured on my website for about 15 years and last fall I redid my site and took all my restored pics off. You can see the 2 pictures hanging on the wall behind this juke, these were duck paintings which are now in my office. This pictures was taken close to a corner in my family room next to the fireplace. I am pretty sure I did this juke. I just emailed this person. Over the past 40 years I restored about 35 R's and this one was the best one I ever did.... Don Jugert Colorful Colorado From bobe at halted.com Mon Feb 1 16:21:30 2010 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Mon Feb 1 16:41:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC for G200 Message-ID: <2.2.32.20100202002130.00996998@hsces.com> At 06:05 PM 2/1/2010 -0600, you wrote: >Just got one a new cart for the G200. It looks great, but is missing the >lugs for the 4 pins. I know it is never a good idea to solder directly to >the cart. Anyone have 4 lugs to spare? > You can get a small packet of assorted cartridge connection clips at Antique Electronic Supply. www.tubesandmore.com I think it's only 49 cents! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From jbru1 at comcast.net Mon Feb 1 17:16:18 2010 From: jbru1 at comcast.net (Jim Brut) Date: Mon Feb 1 17:27:07 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Williams music mite Message-ID: <1FB833B4-5FDF-42D2-8E06-A059A31E732B@comcast.net> Hi just picked up a 1951 music mite Williams jukebox looking for the plastic marquee at the top and the bubble top that covers the record player mech.. Would also like to here from someone who has one of these..Thanks, jim Sent from my iPhone From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Feb 1 17:42:22 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Mon Feb 1 17:43:18 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC for G200 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20100202002130.00996998@hsces.com> References: <2.2.32.20100202002130.00996998@hsces.com> Message-ID: <12072F6833FD4AADA436C26FACD09099@p4> Thanks Bob. You were close. $.45 for an assortment of 25. $3.95 to ship........lol Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bob Ellingson Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:22 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC for G200 At 06:05 PM 2/1/2010 -0600, you wrote: >Just got one a new cart for the G200. It looks great, but is missing the >lugs for the 4 pins. I know it is never a good idea to solder directly to >the cart. Anyone have 4 lugs to spare? > You can get a small packet of assorted cartridge connection clips at Antique Electronic Supply. www.tubesandmore.com I think it's only 49 cents! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2660 - Release Date: 02/01/10 06:37:00 From m.desimone at rogers.com Mon Feb 1 18:06:05 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Mon Feb 1 18:13:12 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cross reference for seeburg stabistor Message-ID: <51652.42802.qm@web88106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi all, I'm working on a shp1 Seeburg amp and need to replace the silicone stabistor under the heat sink, Seeburg part # 62-309478. Can anyone help and let me know what I should replace it with. I have ordered Tony Millar's book but it will be quite a while before it arrives. Thanks in advance, Mauro From cew142 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 19:00:32 2010 From: cew142 at yahoo.com (Jay) Date: Mon Feb 1 19:01:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <163220.59110.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to everyone who e-mailed me back regarding this question. I appreciate it! I have the DS amp in mine. Were the "ears" 16 ohm as well? I can try adding another set of speakers to that plug the DS amp has specifically for the ears. By the way. How do you know what tap to connect the 12 inch speakers to on the amp? Which tap is which resistance? I may have that incorrect. --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > From: Mechanical Music of S.F. > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 4:59 PM > > Yes, the DS lower speakers are 16 ohms. > > Anyway, again, check the crossover unit mounted between the > speakers. Set to "NO." > > I heard an AY (same speakers, etc. as a DS) with some kind > of replacement speakers that made my jaw drop. It was like > listening to a CD player.? > I wish I knew what they were. The guy who had it passed > away a couple years ago. > The amp was rebuilt, too. I think he found some 8 ohm > speakers and added a resistor. > > If you could find 16 ohm coaxial replacements (center > mounted tweeter), that would be the ticket. > That might be easier said than done as 16 ohms isn't a > common resistance these days. > It could need an amp rebuild, too. Leaky caps can't > reproduce highs well. > Keep in mind, these jukes were both designed to have > extension speakers (AY) and/or ears (DS). > The cabinet speakers were for filler in the AY; the manual > basically says it's mandatory to have extension speakers for > stereo effect (sales gimmick). > Seeburg basically addressed the "poor highs" problem in the > DS by adding the upper speakers. > Like I said, I added a set of tweeters to my AY (simply > screwed to the top-back temporarily) and it sounds great > with them. Lackluster without. > > Short version of my story: The AY and DS have mediocre > sound by nature unless the ears or extensions are used. > > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > ??? > ???????? > ?????? ??? > ? > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 19:47:25 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 1 19:48:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 220 Selection issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <118694.79910.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick What is the "pricing unit" that's "missing" ? The "ccu" IS a pricing unit? (Credit & Cancel Unit)? What is the phono model number--220xxx ?? If it picks selections with the battery, it's not a read out problem--but a write in problem. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/1/10, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] 220 Selection issue To: "jukebox list" Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 2:43 PM I'm currently looking at a very rough 220 that was brought to me for asessment and repairs (maybe). When I saw the cover was removed from the tormat I got nervous. The pricing unit is also missing but the ccu is there.? It currently suffers from seeburgitis. Make a selection and? the mech scans twice and stops. New 6X4 tube and OA2's are also fresh with nice purple glow and pulsing during scan. If i do the battery test on the tormat, it plays every selection so i guess i need to start looking toward the selection receiver? As i am writing this I realize that i did not check / clean the detent switch contacts. Comments? Thanks! Rick ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 20:13:39 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 1 20:14:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cross reference for seeburg stabistor In-Reply-To: <51652.42802.qm@web88106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <768893.70051.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mauro, Use two signal diodes wired in series. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cross reference for seeburg stabistor To: "jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com" Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 6:06 PM Hi all, I'm working on a shp1 Seeburg amp and need to replace the silicone? stabistor under the heat sink, Seeburg part # 62-309478. Can anyone? help and let me know what I should replace it with. I have ordered? Tony Millar's book but it will be quite a while before it arrives. Thanks in advance, Mauro _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 21:00:27 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 1 21:03:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend In-Reply-To: <17f9.55f1ceea.3898c47e@aol.com> Message-ID: <141023.11843.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> JC, Decals, for the sideglass were not original equipment on that model, nor ever supplied by Seeburg. If available, they were "aftermarket" supplied.? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 3:57 PM The SHFA-2 is from a Q but don't worry it works just fine in a 222.My own? 222 has a SHFA2 in it. A 1969 rebuild is over 40 years old at this point? and it may not have been completely recapped so I would rebuild it again. Now I know what it will cost if I have my chrome done. Mine is what? they call refurbished. Cleaned up,amp and control center rebuilt,mech? cleaned,new sideglass decals but the cabinet(The cabinet is a gray repaint? matching the internal gray from some unknown time before I bought it) and? chrome have not been redone.It is a working jukebox and in my living room.? I understand you can't get the sideglass decals anymore and you have to buy the? sideglasses if yours are peeling(most are)They cost about $220 Oh and the original finish on these was a material called Di-Noc kind of? like a printed vinyl. The original pattern was a gray colored woodgrain from? what I've seen in pictures.The manual calls it? silver gray oriental? walnut. Never seen one redone in the original color and pattern. J.C. In a message dated 2/1/2010 3:29:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,? pinplayers@gmail.com writes: The Amp? in it is a SHFA-2. It had a Techs signature inside that stated rebuilt? 1969. I have rebuilt several amps and even though it looks? pretty intimidating I'm going for it. Also I spoke with Courtesy Chrome? this afternoon they estimated all Die cast external components at 950.00.? This included the wind frames and cross bar( not sure what they were? referencing here?), speaker emblems, Keyboard casting, coin entry and push? button, coin return bezel, speaker side panels, speaker? grills. Don. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From m.desimone at rogers.com Mon Feb 1 21:17:25 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Mon Feb 1 21:24:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cross reference for seeburg stabistor Message-ID: <542608.44511.qm@web88107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks Ron! I'll try it tomorrow and let you know how it worked out. On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, Use two signal diodes wired in series. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cross reference for seeburg stabistor To: "jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com" Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 6:06 PM Hi all, I'm working on a shp1 Seeburg amp and need to replace the silicone stabistor under the heat sink, Seeburg part # 62-309478. Can anyone help and let me know what I should replace it with. I have ordered Tony Millar's book but it will be quite a while before it arrives. Thanks in advance, Mauro _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 22:35:53 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 1 22:36:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality Message-ID: The different taps on the amplifier aren't different resistances. They are different wattages. They should be marked. This allows the user to: 1. Change the relative volume of the cabinet speakers vs. extension speakers. 2. Reduce the load on the amplifier to accommodate more extension speakers. The ear speakers are most likely 8 ohm speakers. Whatever you decide to attach in their place, as Ron said, attach to the 4 watt taps. This will run them but not overdraw the amplifier. Any set of vintage 5 or 10 watt rated speakers would work. You don't want to use something rated at 8 ohms and high wattage (25 or over), as this WILL try to draw too much from the amplifier. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 22:48:15 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 1 22:49:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend Message-ID: Re: decals. Ron, nobody suggested that decals were original equipment. Not that long ago, someone was making decals for them I suppose as a less expensive alternative. Maybe replacement reproduction glasses weren't being made at the time, I don't know for sure. Same outfit was making side decals for the AY, DS, and decals for the side glass for most of the tail fin era Seeburgs that had them. It's not even tough to get a plain piece of glass cut and tempered. I have one in the side of my USC2. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Feb 2 04:39:29 2010 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 2 04:41:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend Message-ID: <206e.4aa2e6a7.38997701@aol.com> I know that they are aftermarket. The decals sold by Victory Glass were a cheaper alternative to the replacement sideglasses that are made by Ken Arnold and sold today at Victory Glass and A1 Jukebox. I did not buy the decals on mine they were already applied when I bought it. I would love to have real screen printed glass as my pink stripe has faded but it's pretty expensive as I mentioned. J.C. In a message dated 2/2/2010 12:04:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: JC, Decals, for the sideglass were not original equipment on that model, nor ever supplied by Seeburg. If available, they were "aftermarket" supplied. Ron Rich From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Tue Feb 2 06:03:04 2010 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Tue Feb 2 06:04:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend In-Reply-To: <206e.4aa2e6a7.38997701@aol.com> References: <206e.4aa2e6a7.38997701@aol.com> Message-ID: <689335.51356.qm@web86703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> ________________________________ "Jjmscf@aol.com" Jjmscf@aol.com? wrote I would love to have?real screen printed glass as my pink stripe has faded but it's pretty expensive? as I mentioned. J.C. I don't think it's so much that the pink stripe has faded, more that the pink stripe colour on these decals was very weak in the first place! Norman. From jhayes2613 at aol.com Tue Feb 2 07:15:33 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 2 07:17:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT, but I just scored: Message-ID: <8CC7231B34BEB35-3FB8-242@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> A Jimmie Rodgers Scroll Victor, and it's in E- condition. Would you believe it was in a box of freebees? From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Feb 2 07:23:41 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Feb 2 07:24:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT, but I just scored: In-Reply-To: <8CC7231B34BEB35-3FB8-242@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7231B34BEB35-3FB8-242@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: EXCELLENT score! I have a few of those and it's a miracle that any can be found in Good condition let alone in Excellent condition. Those things were played to death! Wasn't there an urban myth about the folks in the southeast and southwest that used to go into a General Store and say "Give me a sack of flour, a pound of bacon, and the latest Jimmie Rodgers record!" I seem to remember that from a "Roots of Blues" class I took in college WAYYYYYYYY back. Aaron On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:15 AM, wrote: > A Jimmie Rodgers Scroll Victor, and it's in E- condition. Would you believe > it was in a box of freebees? > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 2 07:36:41 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Tue Feb 2 07:37:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DI-NOC Message-ID: <51472.97540.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was going to take my Trashcan faux woodgrain steel bits to a water-transfer specialist in the Chicago 'burbs. Then, someone on the seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com forum sent me this link: http://www.idsfinishes.com/index.html I was curious if anyone on the List has ever used this DI-NOC stuff. From the videos it looks to be easy to apply and quite durable. Also, it comes in the same woodgrain pattern as the original stuff on the Trashcan. A couple of websites out there seem to be promoting DI-NOC but where the heck do you go and buy some? They don't mention the cost either. Hmmmmm... Any help or advice here appreciated. Bob - Chicago From jhayes2613 at aol.com Tue Feb 2 08:05:29 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 2 08:06:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT, but I just scored: In-Reply-To: References: <8CC7231B34BEB35-3FB8-242@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC7238AD00A5E8-436C-E5E3@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> This one is BLUE YODEL / AWAY OUT ON THE MOUNTAIN, Victor 21142. As beautiful as this is, I really don't collect country and am no sure what I'll be doing with it. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron H To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:23 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT, but I just scored: EXCELLENT score! I have a few of those and it's a miracle that any can be found in Good condition let alone in Excellent condition. Those things were played to death! Wasn't there an urban myth about the folks in the southeast and southwest that used to go into a General Store and say "Give me a sack of flour, a pound of bacon, and the latest Jimmie Rodgers record!" I seem to remember that from a "Roots of Blues" class I took in college WAYYYYYYYY back. Aaron On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:15 AM, wrote: > A Jimmie Rodgers Scroll Victor, and it's in E- condition. Would you believe > it was in a box of freebees? > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 08:20:57 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 2 08:22:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <552982.93186.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle, I am not sure if decals were original on K-L models, but Seeburg did supply them as replacements. ( I think those glasses came both "Decaled", and screened)? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Picked up a Seeburg 222 this weekend To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 10:48 PM Re: decals. Ron, nobody suggested that decals were original equipment. Not that long ago, someone was making decals for them I suppose as a less expensive alternative.? Maybe replacement reproduction glasses weren't being made at the time, I don't know for sure. Same outfit was making side decals for the AY, DS, and decals for the side glass for most of the tail fin era Seeburgs that had them. It's not even tough to get a plain piece of glass cut and tempered.? I have one in the side of my USC2. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Feb 2 08:40:51 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Feb 2 08:41:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT, but I just scored: In-Reply-To: <8CC7238AD00A5E8-436C-E5E3@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7231B34BEB35-3FB8-242@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> <8CC7238AD00A5E8-436C-E5E3@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Well....if you don't want it......... ;-) On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:05 AM, wrote: > This one is BLUE YODEL / AWAY OUT ON THE MOUNTAIN, Victor 21142. As > beautiful as this is, I really don't collect country and am no sure what > I'll be doing with it. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron H > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:23 am > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT, but I just scored: > > > EXCELLENT score! I have a few of those and it's a miracle that any can be > found in Good condition let alone in Excellent condition. Those things were > played to death! > > Wasn't there an urban myth about the folks in the southeast and southwest > that used to go into a General Store and say "Give me a sack of flour, a > pound of bacon, and the latest Jimmie Rodgers record!" I seem to remember > that from a "Roots of Blues" class I took in college WAYYYYYYYY back. > > Aaron > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:15 AM, wrote: > > > A Jimmie Rodgers Scroll Victor, and it's in E- condition. Would you > believe > > it was in a box of freebees? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From zkw123 at verizon.net Tue Feb 2 05:49:27 2010 From: zkw123 at verizon.net (Zach Weeks) Date: Tue Feb 2 10:10:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox that will play both small hole 45s and 33s? Message-ID: <2bd6fc121002020549l5ea3b73fh5d17a07d5b8b9f77@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I've been a fan of jukeboxes for years and I've finally decided to get serious and actually buy one soon! However, the problem i'm running into is that I have alot of 7" records that have small holes (I know this can be eliminated by using a dinker for the 45rpm records, however i'd rather keep the record in it's original condition for collectors purposes). I was wondering if there was a jukebox (specifically one from the late 50s or early-to-mid 60s...those are my favorites) that could play small-hole records and have a selection of which speed each record would be played at. I feel like someone once told me Wurlitzer, or possibly Seeburg, made a machine that was capable of doing this, but I'm not sure what model that would be. Thanks, -Zach From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 2 10:19:57 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Tue Feb 2 10:21:08 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox that will play both small hole 45s and 33s? References: <2bd6fc121002020549l5ea3b73fh5d17a07d5b8b9f77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A2629AC06504DEDA67578ADE858673C@ownerbob1> Of course it's up to you what you buy, but you may be restricting your options. With many jukeboxes you can use an alternative turntable. A good example of a jukebox that will only take large records might be the best bet if you can find the appropriate secondhand turntable to swop with the original one. I've two Rock-Ola jukeboxes, one has a small hole turntable the other a large hole one, but I can swop them over if I want to as the mechanics are identical. Bob Ford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zach Weeks" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 1:49 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox that will play both small hole 45s and 33s? > Hello, > > I've been a fan of jukeboxes for years and I've finally decided to get > serious and actually buy one soon! However, the problem i'm running > into is that I have alot of 7" records that have small holes (I know > this can be eliminated by using a dinker for the 45rpm records, > however i'd rather keep the record in it's original condition for > collectors purposes). > > I was wondering if there was a jukebox (specifically one from the late > 50s or early-to-mid 60s...those are my favorites) that could play > small-hole records and have a selection of which speed each record > would be played at. I feel like someone once told me Wurlitzer, or > possibly Seeburg, made a machine that was capable of doing this, but > I'm not sure what model that would be. > > Thanks, > -Zach > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 10:21:14 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Feb 2 10:22:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox that will play both small hole 45s and 33s? In-Reply-To: <2bd6fc121002020549l5ea3b73fh5d17a07d5b8b9f77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <892965.88102.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Zach Weeks wrote: > I was wondering if there was a jukebox (specifically one > from the late > 50s or early-to-mid 60s...those are my favorites) that > could play > small-hole records and have a selection of which speed each > record would be played at. I've never heard of such a thing. If you want to play 33s and 45s intermixed, the only way for the mechanism to know which speed the record is is from the center hole. From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Feb 2 10:28:39 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Tue Feb 2 10:29:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] update on AMI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E937A9C-EFF9-4E75-9E71-C89B539793FF@verizon.net> thanks kyle, i am not sure about a blinking light...will have to consider that a while! u are just a wild guy!! Jackie On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > Re: Deposit Coin light. > Yup, any night light or C-7 Christmas light bulb. I have a red blinking bulb in mine. > Attracts attention. Looks cool. > > Since your whole jukebox is red, I'll send you a yellow blinking bulb. That looks good in them too. You want a little contrast to beckon patrons. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 10:44:26 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Feb 2 10:45:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] update on AMI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <698304.93313.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > Yup, any night light or C-7 Christmas light bulb. I > have a red blinking bulb in mine. > Attracts attention. Looks cool. > > Since your whole jukebox is red, I'll send you a yellow > blinking bulb. That looks good in them too. You want a > little contrast to beckon patrons. BTW, you can still get "twinkling" C7 lights at Ace Hardware stores (in season). Most years I do my whole Christmas tree in them - those and a few bubbling lights, which Ace still seels as well. From jay at west.net Tue Feb 2 10:46:59 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Feb 2 10:48:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox that will play both small hole 45s and 33s? In-Reply-To: <2bd6fc121002020549l5ea3b73fh5d17a07d5b8b9f77@mail.gmail.com> References: <2bd6fc121002020549l5ea3b73fh5d17a07d5b8b9f77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B687323.5070300@west.net> Zach Weeks wrote: > I was wondering if there was a jukebox (specifically one from the late > 50s or early-to-mid 60s...those are my favorites) that could play > small-hole records and have a selection of which speed each record > would be played at. I feel like someone once told me Wurlitzer, or > possibly Seeburg, made a machine that was capable of doing this, but > I'm not sure what model that would be. Many jukeboxes beginning in the early 1960s were built to accommodate both large-hole and small-hole records. The purpose was to allow the use of "Little LPs" that were made specifically for jukebox use. These typically had three songs per side, played at 33 1/3 RPM, and had a small spindle hole. The spindle hole size is detected mechanically and triggers a mechanism to reduce the speed from 45 to 33 1/3 RPM when a record with a small hole is detected. Sometimes this speed change is done electrically (Seeburg), others electro-mechanically with a solenoid and a stepped idler (Wurlitzer and AMI) and some totally mechanical (Rockola). The speed change will occur regardless of what position in the jukebox the small-hole record occupies. It is triggered by the spindle hole size only. It was up to the operator to place the "Little LPs" in certain slots and to configure pricing so that these selections are more expensive than singles. This is typically done with switches or jumpers that require additional credits to operate certain letter keys or number keys and also subtract more credits when these selections are made. The pricing function is NOT directly linked to the speed or spindle hole size, the operator needs to keep it straight. A more complex pricing unit is obviously needed as well, and the "Select" light got more complex in order to let the public know if there were sufficient credits remaining to play an "Album" or just a single. The "Little LP" idea didn't really catch on with the public and after a while most jukeboxes with this feature wound up with all slots programmed with singles and loaded with 45s. It is possible to modify a dual-speed jukebox to play all selections at 45 RPM regardless of spindle hole size so that British and Australian singles will play at the correct speed. This can be as simple as removing a current-limiting lamp or cutting/jumpering a wire. Rockolas require a bit more work to defeat the mechanical speed shifter but it isn't all that difficult. If you want to select speed based on the position of the record in the jukebox and not the spindle hole size, this isn't going to be easy. Your choices are going to be auto-select based on spindle hole or all-45. I suppose you could make it all-33 but I haven't ever seen a large-hole 33 record so this wouldn't likely be of any practical use. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Feb 2 10:51:21 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Tue Feb 2 10:52:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] update on AMI In-Reply-To: <698304.93313.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <698304.93313.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51CE606A-33C3-4529-918E-CC777AD37946@verizon.net> David, I love Ace Hardware...I have to travel a bit further but they still have some really cool stuff! Jackie On Feb 2, 2010, at 1:44 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > >> Yup, any night light or C-7 Christmas light bulb. I >> have a red blinking bulb in mine. >> Attracts attention. Looks cool. >> >> Since your whole jukebox is red, I'll send you a yellow >> blinking bulb. That looks good in them too. You want a >> little contrast to beckon patrons. > > BTW, you can still get "twinkling" C7 lights at Ace > Hardware stores (in season). Most years I do my > whole Christmas tree in them - those and a few > bubbling lights, which Ace still seels as well. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From moran.tommy at att.net Tue Feb 2 12:04:49 2010 From: moran.tommy at att.net (Moran, Thomas) Date: Tue Feb 2 12:12:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips Message-ID: <1D781453-9219-43A7-B531-4A9F47461DC2@att.net> I was wondering if there was a source for title strips for the AMI Model A. Any info or advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Tom From pinballpauls at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 12:29:15 2010 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Tue Feb 2 12:54:08 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips In-Reply-To: <1D781453-9219-43A7-B531-4A9F47461DC2@att.net> References: <1D781453-9219-43A7-B531-4A9F47461DC2@att.net> Message-ID: You can print your own at pinballrebel.com Paul On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Moran, Thomas wrote: > I was wondering if there was a source for title strips for the AMI Model A. > Any info or advice would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 13:10:32 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Feb 2 13:14:17 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips In-Reply-To: <1D781453-9219-43A7-B531-4A9F47461DC2@att.net> Message-ID: <986948.82621.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Moran, Thomas wrote: > I was wondering if there was a source > for title strips for the AMI Model A. Any info or > advice would be appreciated. I think many of the regular jukebox parts suppliers sell title strips. They're usually just referred to as "single" or "78" title strips (although some companies, like Wurlitzer continued to use them for a while for their 45 machines). I haven't bought eny for a while, and I'm almost out, so if anyone knows for sure, I'd like to hear as well. From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Feb 2 13:19:18 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Feb 2 13:20:22 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox that will play both small hole 45s and 33s? Message-ID: Short version. 1. Most American jukeboxes 1963-1977 will play small and large holed records. This leads to: 2. When a small holed record is detected, this causes the machine to play the record at 33. 3. This can be defeated in most machines so that all records play at 45 (or 33 in some cases). 4. There is no way for the machine to know to play some small holed records at one speed and some at another. 5. Best solution, defeat the 33 option, and play all at 45. General remedies, some may differ: A. Seeburg: adjust clamp arm switch. Dedicated 45 machines without speed units need no adjustment. B: Wurlitzer: remove lamp in speed switching unit. C. Rock Ola: remove detector under turntable. D. AMI: unplug wire from idler wheel lift solenoid. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Feb 2 13:35:55 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Feb 2 13:36:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] update on AMI Message-ID: Re: Lights. Jackie, light doesn't blink furiously. It's quite attractive. Easy to change in 15 seconds if you hate it. David, I use vintage blinkers on my balcony every year. I also have probabaly 300 or so vintage bubble lights, smaller based series style (15V, 8 or 9 in series), most pre 1955. Great names such as Peerless Shooting Star, Reliance Spark-L-Lite, Royalite, and well known vintage brands such as Noma and Paramount. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 2 14:32:03 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Tue Feb 2 14:33:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips References: <1D781453-9219-43A7-B531-4A9F47461DC2@att.net> Message-ID: If there's a better free site for title cards than this, (which I think is excellent) I'd be obliged if someone would let me know. http://www.mikesarcade.com/arcade/titlestrips.html Bob Ford. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Howlett" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips > You can print your own at pinballrebel.com > > Paul > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Moran, Thomas wrote: > >> I was wondering if there was a source for title strips for the AMI Model >> A. >> Any info or advice would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Tom >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Feb 2 14:46:08 2010 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 2 14:47:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DI-NOC Message-ID: <746c.64553f16.389a0530@aol.com> That's what I was wondering? On the site it says it comes in rolls. No one would need that much for a jukebox application.It says it can be cut if you need less but where do you buy it? I was browsing and found a pattern very close to what Seeburg 222s used according to pictures I've seen.That would be neat to try as no 222 that the sides have been redone that I've seen look like the original unless someone in the restoration business is faux woodgraining them.Most I've seen are veneered,formicad in plain gray or some other pattern or painted. Mine is painted plain gray. Doesn't look too bad but they didn't fix the dings in the wood before painting.If I ever get together $1000 for chromework on it I want to redo my cabinet while it's apart. I can see that dinoc being applied to flat surfaces may work but I may have to try the service for my Wurlitxer 24 door. It has grooves in it that may not work with an something like a thick vinyl decal. I think it was originally painted in faux burl woodgrain. J.C. In a message dated 2/2/2010 10:38:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, notarysojac@sbcglobal.net writes: I was going to take my Trashcan faux woodgrain steel bits to a water-transfer specialist in the Chicago 'burbs. Then, someone on the seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com forum sent me this link: http://www.idsfinishes.com/index.html I was curious if anyone on the List has ever used this DI-NOC stuff. From the videos it looks to be easy to apply and quite durable. Also, it comes in the same woodgrain pattern as the original stuff on the Trashcan. A couple of websites out there seem to be promoting DI-NOC but where the heck do you go and buy some? They don't mention the cost either. Hmmmmm... Any help or advice here appreciated. Bob - Chicago _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From johntrav at windstream.net Tue Feb 2 15:08:19 2010 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Tue Feb 2 15:34:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips References: <1D781453-9219-43A7-B531-4A9F47461DC2@att.net> Message-ID: Try this one from the Netherlands: http://members.casema.nl/roosmarco/jukebox.htm John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Ford" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips > If there's a better free site for title cards than this, (which I think is > excellent) I'd be obliged if someone would let me know. > > http://www.mikesarcade.com/arcade/titlestrips.html > > Bob Ford. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Howlett" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips > > >> You can print your own at pinballrebel.com >> >> Paul >> >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Moran, Thomas >> wrote: >> >>> I was wondering if there was a source for title strips for the AMI Model >>> A. >>> Any info or advice would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tom >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 15:44:44 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Feb 2 15:47:37 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8260.41647.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Of course, all these print-your-own-titlestrip pages assume that you have a fairly good quality color printer. I don't. I found I don't need a printer often enough to make purchasing one an attractive option to just taking a USB memory stick down to the local printy-shippy store. Does anyone know a good supplier of 78 title strips? David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Feb 2 16:46:27 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Tue Feb 2 16:47:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips In-Reply-To: References: <1D781453-9219-43A7-B531-4A9F47461DC2@att.net> Message-ID: <0D496B0C-8C58-46EE-93B4-6D3AC3948DCF@verizon.net> Thanks Bob, never saw this site before, it looks great! Jackie On Feb 2, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Bob Ford wrote: > If there's a better free site for title cards than this, (which I think is excellent) I'd be obliged if someone would let me know. > > http://www.mikesarcade.com/arcade/titlestrips.html > > Bob Ford. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Howlett" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips > > >> You can print your own at pinballrebel.com >> >> Paul >> >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Moran, Thomas wrote: >> >>> I was wondering if there was a source for title strips for the AMI Model A. >>> Any info or advice would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tom >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 19:59:47 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 2 20:00:47 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips In-Reply-To: <8260.41647.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <291030.8620.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I think VG sells em--? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/2/10, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 3:44 PM Of course, all these print-your-own-titlestrip pages assume that you have a fairly good quality color printer.? I don't.? I found I don't need a printer often enough to make purchasing one an attractive option to just taking a USB memory stick down to the local printy-shippy store. Does anyone know a good supplier of 78 title strips? David Breneman? ? ? ???david_breneman@yahoo.com ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 2 20:33:35 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Tue Feb 2 20:34:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: DI-NOC Message-ID: <267803.33471.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From the vids I have watched on the DI-NOC site, the stuff can be stretched over curved and grooved surfaces with a heat gun and smoothing tool. It would be easy to apply over the Trashcan surfaces, as far as I can tell. Yes, where to buy this stuff seems to be an enigma. I sent a query to IDSfinishes. They sent me a reply to call them. I'll do that Wed. (tomorrow) and let you all know what transpires. If it is really cheap then perhaps I'll give them a go. Frankly, I'd rather have the water-transfer folks just take my stuff, strip it and apply their fancy decals. If DI-NOC is sooooo much cheaper then I can be swayed. Bob - Chicago >[Jukebox-list] DI-NOC Tue Feb 2 14:46:08 PST 2010 > * Previous message: [Jukebox-list] update on AMI > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >________________________________ > >That's what I was wondering? On the site it says it comes in rolls. No one >would need that much for a jukebox application.It says it can be cut if you >need less but where do you buy it? > > >I was browsing and found a pattern very close to what Seeburg 222s used >according to pictures I've seen.That would be neat to try as no 222 that the >sides have been redone that I've seen look like the original unless someone >in the restoration business is faux woodgraining them.Most I've seen are >veneered,formicad in plain gray or some other pattern or painted. Mine is >painted plain gray. Doesn't look too bad but they didn't fix the dings in the >wood before painting.If I ever get together $1000 for chromework on it I >want to redo my cabinet while it's apart. > >I can see that dinoc being applied to flat surfaces may work but I may >have to try the service for my Wurlitxer 24 door. It has grooves in it that >may not work with an something like a thick vinyl decal. I think it was >originally painted in faux burl woodgrain. > >J.C. From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Feb 2 21:20:22 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Feb 2 21:21:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1967 Wico flyer with images. Message-ID: I mentioned this a week or so ago. Here it is. Prices expired April, 1967. Follow this URL to see scans of the pages. VL 200 modernizing (monster-izing) kit, 3W1 wallbox updates, cheap tubes, pretty "MOD" girls, LSD - all kinds of goodies. http://excoboard.com/The_New_Jukebox_List/132440/1651335?page=1#3841757 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com Wed Feb 3 01:58:58 2010 From: mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com (mark bowman) Date: Wed Feb 3 02:00:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Envoy needles & things + Packard news In-Reply-To: References: <1D781453-9219-43A7-B531-4A9F47461DC2@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Chaps & chapesses News on the Manhattan front the Amp is working fine now one valve had gone bad and delivery of 4 replacements from the USA + the changing of the capacitor on the warm up relay has bought the amp to life. It now has real volume and depth to the sound, a big thank you to the everyone here who gave advice on this.The mechanism seems to have gone terminal as the cam which drives the transfer arms seems to have shifted on the camshaft, thus the arms swing across from the record platter to the magazine before the platter has got fully hard up against the back plate! End result is the record stays in the platter and wedges the transfer arms against it and the backplate, and the whole mech jams up. I have let the guy who sold me the box borrow a retaining clip off the platter from mine as he had another manhattan which he needed the part for and is getting it copied for that machine. Just got delivery of a Seeburg Envoy today Im wondering about the needle these took as it looks like an ancient accoustic gramaphone needle with a thumb screw to secure it. This looks a bit agricultural and will murder any records I put in it is this correct for the machine? Also is the drive motor a semi syncrounous AC type as we work on 50Hz over here in Aus and the gearing on the motor is not easy to change im hoping it is only voltage dependant not frequency, some advice on this ould be appreciated Thanks all Mark From moran.tommy at att.net Wed Feb 3 02:21:22 2010 From: moran.tommy at att.net (Tom Moran) Date: Wed Feb 3 02:22:34 2010 Subject: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] Picture of original Seeburg 'R' grille cloth -re:Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 78, Issue 30 Message-ID: <520388.77246.qm@web180716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello Oliver, I can send you a copy of the original fabric if you like. It's not in the best condition but your eye may be able to determine a close match. Email me off list with mailing info. Thanks, Tom Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:44 AM, "Stamann" wrote: Hello David, so far we didn't get any requests for that AMI A fabric. I don't have an AMI A model to check on that - maybe you can send a picture? Best regards - Oliver Stamann -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von David Breneman Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Januar 2010 20:15 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] Picture of original Seeburg 'R' grille cloth -re:Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 78, Issue 30 --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Stamann wrote: We are also trying to get some fabrics been made for 78RPM [Seeburg] models. The fabric on my M100A is original. It's pretty faded, but I wouldn't replace it unless I could find an exact match to the original. My philosophy of restoration is more on the lines of preservation. A factory-fresh looking jukebox is a beautiful thing, but too often people have (or want) to resort to finishes that are similar (or in some cases totally dissimilar) to the original but not the same. In extreme cases it can be like the old joke about George Washington's "original" hatchet. Maybe I'm just rationalizing my own laziness, but I like to keep as much original finish on a machine as I can. This isn't a criticism of those who do full-blown restorations, just a statement of my personal approach to it. That said, are you (the Stamanns) considering reproducing the gold fabric for the record changer "stage" in the AMI Model A? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Feb 3 05:04:56 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Feb 3 05:06:18 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1967 Wico flyer with images. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OMG.....memories! let's see I was in my first year of High School that year! The ad is amazing and the prices are too. Thanks so much for that Kyle, that was fun! Jackie On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > I mentioned this a week or so ago. Here it is. Prices expired April, 1967. > Follow this URL to see scans of the pages. > VL 200 modernizing (monster-izing) kit, 3W1 wallbox updates, cheap tubes, pretty "MOD" girls, LSD - all kinds of goodies. > > http://excoboard.com/The_New_Jukebox_List/132440/1651335?page=1#3841757 > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Feb 3 05:22:13 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Wed Feb 3 05:23:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1967 Wico flyer with images. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Showing my lack of experience...and knowledge...but, I was born in 1967....lol. I will take some of those $1.60 6973's....who's got em' in stock! Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Elgie Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:05 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1967 Wico flyer with images. OMG.....memories! let's see I was in my first year of High School that year! The ad is amazing and the prices are too. Thanks so much for that Kyle, that was fun! Jackie On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > I mentioned this a week or so ago. Here it is. Prices expired April, 1967. > Follow this URL to see scans of the pages. > VL 200 modernizing (monster-izing) kit, 3W1 wallbox updates, cheap tubes, pretty "MOD" girls, LSD - all kinds of goodies. > > http://excoboard.com/The_New_Jukebox_List/132440/1651335?page=1#3841757 > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2664 - Release Date: 02/02/10 13:35:00 From jhayes2613 at aol.com Wed Feb 3 06:11:13 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 3 06:12:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1967 Wico flyer with images. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC72F1E08DD78A-2150-D602@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Nice improvement on the V, don't you think? -----Original Message----- From: SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:22 am Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] 1967 Wico flyer with images. Showing my lack of experience...and knowledge...but, I was born in 967....lol. I will take some of those $1.60 6973's....who's got em' in tock! Rich -----Original Message----- rom: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Elgie ent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:05 AM o: Jukebox mailing list ubject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1967 Wico flyer with images. OMG.....memories! let's see I was in my first year of High School that ear! The ad is amazing and the prices are too. Thanks so much for that yle, that was fun! ackie n Feb 3, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > I mentioned this a week or so ago. Here it is. Prices expired April, 1967. Follow this URL to see scans of the pages. VL 200 modernizing (monster-izing) kit, 3W1 wallbox updates, cheap tubes, retty "MOD" girls, LSD - all kinds of goodies. http://excoboard.com/The_New_Jukebox_List/132440/1651335?page=1#3841757 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. ttp://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/____________________________ __________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ o virus found in this incoming message. hecked by AVG - www.avg.com ersion: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2664 - Release Date: 02/02/10 3:35:00 _______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Feb 3 06:11:30 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Wed Feb 3 06:12:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: DI-NOC In-Reply-To: <267803.33471.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <267803.33471.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, ID-Finishes is probably the only place in the country where you can get that stuff. They sell it by the sheet and there is a limit in the size you can buy. I was thinking about buying it for my Wurlitzer 2900 and a sheet was going to come to $150.00. I swear that the walnut veneer with a paper backing that I bought for a 1015 restoration was almost that much! The Di-NOC is not cheap and they appear to be the only game in town. But yes... call them. The lady I got on the phone was very helpful and she talked me through the entire process of how to measure the cabinet to determine I needed. You can also request samples of the material off their website. Did you ever think about painting on a faux finish with a wood grain tool? Aaron On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:33 PM, NotarySojac wrote: > >From the vids I have watched on the DI-NOC site, the stuff can be > stretched over curved and grooved surfaces > with a heat gun and smoothing tool. It would be easy to apply over the > Trashcan surfaces, as far as I can tell. > > Yes, where to buy this stuff seems to be an enigma. I sent a query to > IDSfinishes. They sent me a reply to call them. > I'll do that Wed. (tomorrow) and let you all know what transpires. If it is > really cheap then perhaps I'll give them a go. > Frankly, I'd rather have the water-transfer folks just take my stuff, strip > it and apply their fancy decals. If DI-NOC is > sooooo much cheaper then I can be swayed. > > Bob - Chicago > > > >[Jukebox-list] DI-NOC > >Tue Feb 2 14:46:08 PST 2010 > > * Previous message: [Jukebox-list] update on AMI > > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >________________________________ > > > >That's what I was wondering? On the site it says it comes in rolls. No one > >would need that much for a jukebox application.It says it can be cut if > you > >need less but where do you buy it? > > > > > >I was browsing and found a pattern very close to what Seeburg 222s used > >according to pictures I've seen.That would be neat to try as no 222 that > the > >sides have been redone that I've seen look like the original unless > someone > >in the restoration business is faux woodgraining them.Most I've seen are > >veneered,formicad in plain gray or some other pattern or painted. Mine is > >painted plain gray. Doesn't look too bad but they didn't fix the dings in > the > >wood before painting.If I ever get together $1000 for chromework on it I > >want to redo my cabinet while it's apart. > > > >I can see that dinoc being applied to flat surfaces may work but I may > >have to try the service for my Wurlitxer 24 door. It has grooves in it > that > >may not work with an something like a thick vinyl decal. I think it was > >originally painted in faux burl woodgrain. > > > >J.C. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From pinplayers at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 07:07:22 2010 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Wed Feb 3 07:08:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DI-NOC In-Reply-To: <746c.64553f16.389a0530@aol.com> References: <746c.64553f16.389a0530@aol.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e1002030707j14999d3ar55148d8c147cd59@mail.gmail.com> JC Which sample number did you see that closely matched the 222. I',m interested in giving this a try. But I don't have a reference to the original 222 color. Don. From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 3 07:25:59 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Wed Feb 3 07:27:10 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips References: <1D781453-9219-43A7-B531-4A9F47461DC2@att.net> <0D496B0C-8C58-46EE-93B4-6D3AC3948DCF@verizon.net> Message-ID: <061963855DC841DCA5ED5ED561FAECD8@ownerbob1> Hi Jackie, This site centres all the titles for you and reduces the width of the type face for long titles, or names of artists, however, I find it best in these instances is to type in three spaces before the words and two after, this makes sure that the artists' names don't creep over the beginning of the centre block and with titles, it stops the first and last letters being too close to the ends of the title card. On "normal" length names of titles or artists, it isn't a problem. I save each sheet of twenty titles on my computer, so I can run them off any time. You never know how long these facilities will stay on line. I also save them in different colours and styles, in case I want to have a change at sometime. This can be done by just paging back and clicking on a different style or colour before you click on "clear fields" to type in the next batch. Bob. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips Thanks Bob, never saw this site before, it looks great! Jackie On Feb 2, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Bob Ford wrote: > If there's a better free site for title cards than this, (which I think is > excellent) I'd be obliged if someone would let me know. > > http://www.mikesarcade.com/arcade/titlestrips.html > > Bob Ford. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Howlett" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips > > >> You can print your own at pinballrebel.com >> >> Paul >> >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Moran, Thomas >> wrote: >> >>> I was wondering if there was a source for title strips for the AMI Model >>> A. >>> Any info or advice would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tom >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dave.halford at telent.com Wed Feb 3 07:52:41 2010 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Wed Feb 3 07:53:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1967 Wico flyer with images. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100203155242.329721ECFD5@blade104.la.inty.net> Out of your $40 a week take home pay Rich ;O) regards Dave H "SSG Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.ne t> To Sent by: "'Jukebox mailing list'" jukebox-list-boun ces@lists.netloji cc x.com Subject RE: [Jukebox-list] 1967 Wico flyer 03/02/2010 13:23 with images. Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Showing my lack of experience...and knowledge...but, I was born in 1967....lol. I will take some of those $1.60 6973's....who's got em' in stock! Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Elgie Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:05 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1967 Wico flyer with images. OMG.....memories! let's see I was in my first year of High School that year! The ad is amazing and the prices are too. Thanks so much for that Kyle, that was fun! Jackie On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > I mentioned this a week or so ago. Here it is. Prices expired April, 1967. > Follow this URL to see scans of the pages. > VL 200 modernizing (monster-izing) kit, 3W1 wallbox updates, cheap tubes, pretty "MOD" girls, LSD - all kinds of goodies. > > http://excoboard.com/The_New_Jukebox_List/132440/1651335?page=1#3841757 > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2664 - Release Date: 02/02/10 13:35:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Feb 3 10:55:45 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Feb 3 10:57:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips In-Reply-To: <061963855DC841DCA5ED5ED561FAECD8@ownerbob1> References: <1D781453-9219-43A7-B531-4A9F47461DC2@att.net> <0D496B0C-8C58-46EE-93B4-6D3AC3948DCF@verizon.net> <061963855DC841DCA5ED5ED561FAECD8@ownerbob1> Message-ID: <47D52FE0-A301-4847-A9DE-1702099105A1@verizon.net> Thanks Bob, can't wait to try it!!! I need to take some time off working on the AMI and get some Title Strips done! Jackie On Feb 3, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Bob Ford wrote: > Hi Jackie, > > This site centres all the titles for you and reduces the width of the type face for long titles, or names of artists, however, I find it best in these instances is to type in three spaces before the words and two after, this makes sure that the artists' names don't creep over the beginning of the centre block and with titles, it stops the first and last letters being too close to the ends of the title card. On "normal" length names of titles or artists, it isn't a problem. > > I save each sheet of twenty titles on my computer, so I can run them off any time. You never know how long these facilities will stay on line. > I also save them in different colours and styles, in case I want to have a change at sometime. This can be done by just paging back and clicking on a different style or colour before you click on "clear fields" to type in the next batch. > > Bob. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips > > > Thanks Bob, never saw this site before, it looks great! > Jackie > > > > > On Feb 2, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Bob Ford wrote: > >> If there's a better free site for title cards than this, (which I think is excellent) I'd be obliged if someone would let me know. >> >> http://www.mikesarcade.com/arcade/titlestrips.html >> >> Bob Ford. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Howlett" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips >> >> >>> You can print your own at pinballrebel.com >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Moran, Thomas wrote: >>> >>>> I was wondering if there was a source for title strips for the AMI Model A. >>>> Any info or advice would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tom >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 3 11:09:57 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Wed Feb 3 11:11:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: DI-NOC Message-ID: <163960.12789.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well Aaron, I was ~originally~ going to have my cabinet restorer attempt to recreate the woodgrain with paint. However, the original pattern is not painted on. It is more like the water-transfer process I mentioned earlier. This is the same process that steam radiator covers have when they are 'wood grained'. The cabinet guys say that their painting will never look like the original flat photo finish but like, what else? PAINT! So my cabinet guy is only going to work on the veneer and wood bits. The steel parts will either get the water-transfer or DI-NOC and it will depend on cost of either option and the amount of time I want to personally invest in stripping parts and numb-fumbling with DI-NOC. The water transfer folks can do bead blasting. Here is a link to a zip file containing all the stuff I got from IDS Finishes: http://www.4shared.com/file/214473574/b7150dc6/DI-NOC_info_from_IDSFinishes.html There is a printed pattern book and a price list included in the documents. Check it out and see what you think. With a heat gun you can stretch DI-NOC over curves and tuck it into grooved surfaces. The how-to vids on their website show how it is done. DI-NOC is sold by the roll but you can get a partial roll as well. The kicker is that they'll charge a $50 cut-fee if you buy less than a roll. Since I'd need two patterns (the bottom of the selection panel is a different grain than the rest of the parts, a kind of burlwood pattern) this would be an immediate $100 up-tick over the cost of materials. Definitely something to consider and may be a deal breaker for DI-NOC. This IMHO is uncool if you are trying to attract the hobbyist. I will be getting a quote from the water transfer folks this weekend. I'll let ya all know what transpires. Bob - Chicago >[Jukebox-list] RE: DI-NOCAaron H aaron at vertasource.com >Wed Feb 3 06:11:30 PST 2010 > * Previous message: [Jukebox-list] RE: DI-NOC > * Next message: [Jukebox-list] 1967 Wico flyer with images. > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >________________________________ > >Bob, >ID-Finishes is probably the only place in the country where you can get that >stuff. They sell it by the sheet and there is a limit in the size you can >buy. I was thinking about buying it for my Wurlitzer 2900 and a sheet was >going to come to $150.00. I swear that the walnut veneer with a paper >backing that I bought for a 1015 restoration was almost that much! The >Di-NOC is not cheap and they appear to be the only game in town. But yes... >call them. The lady I got on the phone was very helpful and she talked me >through the entire process of how to measure the cabinet to determine I >needed. You can also request samples of the material off their website. > >Did you ever think about painting on a faux finish with a wood grain tool? > >Aaron From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Feb 3 11:29:06 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Wed Feb 3 11:40:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: DI-NOC In-Reply-To: <163960.12789.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <163960.12789.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, Don't spend your money on a burlwood piece of veneer or Di-NOC. Creating a "burl" faux finish is easy and is very cost effective.... almost nothing, in fact. I think I posted something about how I did it for the door to my 1100 a few months back, if I'm not mistaken. But I can talk with you directly about doing this if you want. A. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:09 PM, NotarySojac wrote: > Well Aaron, I was ~originally~ going to have my cabinet restorer attempt to > recreate the woodgrain with paint. > However, the original pattern is not painted on. It is more like the > water-transfer process I mentioned earlier. > This is the same process that steam radiator covers have when they are > 'wood grained'. > The cabinet guys say that their painting will never look like the original > flat photo finish but like, what else? PAINT! > > So my cabinet guy is only going to work on the veneer and wood bits. The > steel parts will either get > the water-transfer or DI-NOC and it will depend on cost of either option > and the amount of time I want to personally > invest in stripping parts and numb-fumbling with DI-NOC. The water transfer > folks can do bead blasting. > > Here is a link to a zip file containing all the stuff I got from IDS > Finishes: > > > http://www.4shared.com/file/214473574/b7150dc6/DI-NOC_info_from_IDSFinishes.html > > There is a printed pattern book and a price list included in the documents. > Check it out and see what you think. With a heat gun > you can stretch DI-NOC over curves and tuck it into grooved surfaces. The > how-to vids on their website show how it is done. > > DI-NOC is sold by the roll but you can get a partial roll as well. The > kicker is that they'll charge a $50 cut-fee if you buy less than a roll. > Since I'd need two patterns (the bottom of the selection panel is a > different grain than the rest of the parts, a kind of burlwood pattern) > this would be an immediate $100 up-tick over the cost of materials. > Definitely something to consider and may be a deal breaker for DI-NOC. > This IMHO is uncool if you are trying to attract the hobbyist. > > I will be getting a quote from the water transfer folks this weekend. I'll > let ya all know what transpires. > > Bob - Chicago > > >[Jukebox-list] RE: DI-NOCAaron H aaron at vertasource.com > >Wed Feb 3 06:11:30 PST 2010 > > * Previous message: [Jukebox-list] RE: DI-NOC > > * Next message: [Jukebox-list] 1967 Wico flyer with images. > > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >________________________________ > > > >Bob, > >ID-Finishes is probably the only place in the country where you can get > that > >stuff. They sell it by the sheet and there is a limit in the size you can > >buy. I was thinking about buying it for my Wurlitzer 2900 and a sheet was > >going to come to $150.00. I swear that the walnut veneer with a paper > >backing that I bought for a 1015 restoration was almost that much! The > >Di-NOC is not cheap and they appear to be the only game in town. But > yes... > >call them. The lady I got on the phone was very helpful and she talked me > >through the entire process of how to measure the cabinet to determine I > >needed. You can also request samples of the material off their website. > > > >Did you ever think about painting on a faux finish with a wood grain tool? > > > >Aaron > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From moran.tommy at att.net Wed Feb 3 12:40:22 2010 From: moran.tommy at att.net (Tom Moran) Date: Wed Feb 3 12:41:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips Message-ID: <9504.68614.qm@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> John, thanks alot, that's exactly what I was looking for. Printed some out today and they look great. I used the "star" template for single 78's. Tom Sent from my iPhone On Feb 2, 2010, at 5:08 PM, "John Travelletti" wrote: Try this one from the Netherlands: http://members.casema.nl/roosmarco/jukebox.htm John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Ford" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips If there's a better free site for title cards than this, (which I think is excellent) I'd be obliged if someone would let me know. http://www.mikesarcade.com/arcade/titlestrips.html Bob Ford. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Howlett" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips You can print your own at pinballrebel.com Paul On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Moran, Thomas wrote: I was wondering if there was a source for title strips for the AMI Model A. Any info or advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From Jjmscf at aol.com Wed Feb 3 14:30:01 2010 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 3 14:31:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DI-NOC for Seeburg 222 Message-ID: <17010.233c0cda.389b52e9@aol.com> I don't have an actual reference to the original color and mine's been painted over but judging by pictures I've seen and the description of the finish in the manual WG467 on the site looks mighty close. Go to the catalog and click woodgrain and you'll see it. Does anyone have a 222 with original finish on this list to judge this? I can't find a woodgrain pattern that is gray or silver gray like that in Formica or WilsonArt(another brand of Formica) which is probably why I've never seen one restored in the original pattern and color or anything close like this Dinoc seems to be.Even the restored 222 pictured in the Victory Glass catalog has some kind of swirly patern gray formica not woodgrain. J.C. In a message dated 2/3/2010 10:09:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pinplayers@gmail.com writes: JC Which sample number did you see that closely matched the 222. I',m interested in giving this a try. But I don't have a reference to the original 222 color. Don. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From Jjmscf at aol.com Wed Feb 3 14:35:09 2010 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 3 14:36:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: DI-NOC Message-ID: <172ab.e5f916b.389b541d@aol.com> I think they were printed and water transferred like you say as that explains why my Wurlitzer 24 titleholder door is so sun faded. It has turned to an almost goldish color but on the top ledge underneath the wooden record access door where light doesn't hit it still has the beautiful burl woodgrain intact. J.C. In a message dated 2/3/2010 2:36:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, notarysojac@sbcglobal.net writes: Well Aaron, I was ~originally~ going to have my cabinet restorer attempt to recreate the woodgrain with paint. However, the original pattern is not painted on. It is more like the water-transfer process I mentioned earlier. This is the same process that steam radiator covers have when they are 'wood grained'. The cabinet guys say that their painting will never look like the original flat photo finish but like, what else? PAINT! So my cabinet guy is only going to work on the veneer and wood bits. The steel parts will either get the water-transfer or DI-NOC and it will depend on cost of either option and the amount of time I want to personally invest in stripping parts and numb-fumbling with DI-NOC. The water transfer folks can do bead blasting. Here is a link to a zip file containing all the stuff I got from IDS Finishes: http://www.4shared.com/file/214473574/b7150dc6/DI-NOC_info_from_IDSFinishes. html There is a printed pattern book and a price list included in the documents. Check it out and see what you think. With a heat gun you can stretch DI-NOC over curves and tuck it into grooved surfaces. The how-to vids on their website show how it is done. DI-NOC is sold by the roll but you can get a partial roll as well. The kicker is that they'll charge a $50 cut-fee if you buy less than a roll. Since I'd need two patterns (the bottom of the selection panel is a different grain than the rest of the parts, a kind of burlwood pattern) this would be an immediate $100 up-tick over the cost of materials. Definitely something to consider and may be a deal breaker for DI-NOC. This IMHO is uncool if you are trying to attract the hobbyist. I will be getting a quote from the water transfer folks this weekend. I'll let ya all know what transpires. Bob - Chicago >[Jukebox-list] RE: DI-NOCAaron H aaron at vertasource.com >Wed Feb 3 06:11:30 PST 2010 > * Previous message: [Jukebox-list] RE: DI-NOC > * Next message: [Jukebox-list] 1967 Wico flyer with images. > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >________________________________ > >Bob, >ID-Finishes is probably the only place in the country where you can get that >stuff. They sell it by the sheet and there is a limit in the size you can >buy. I was thinking about buying it for my Wurlitzer 2900 and a sheet was >going to come to $150.00. I swear that the walnut veneer with a paper >backing that I bought for a 1015 restoration was almost that much! The >Di-NOC is not cheap and they appear to be the only game in town. But yes... >call them. The lady I got on the phone was very helpful and she talked me >through the entire process of how to measure the cabinet to determine I >needed. You can also request samples of the material off their website. > >Did you ever think about painting on a faux finish with a wood grain tool? > >Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Wed Feb 3 14:46:16 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Feb 3 14:47:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DI-NOC for Seeburg 222 In-Reply-To: <17010.233c0cda.389b52e9@aol.com> References: <17010.233c0cda.389b52e9@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B69FCB8.7060306@west.net> Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > I don't have an actual reference to the original color and mine's been > painted over but judging by pictures I've seen and the description of the > finish in the manual WG467 on the site looks mighty close. Go to the catalog > and click woodgrain and you'll see it. Does anyone have a 222 with original > finish on this list to judge this? That WG-467 looks pretty close based on my recollection as well. FYI, the original had the grain running horizontally if I recall correctly. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Feb 3 15:54:15 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Feb 3 15:55:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dinner Music Message-ID: <3A5EA415-6C4E-47D4-93F2-2F394FDB42CC@verizon.net> Eve to all, Tonight's choice of Dinner Music is in memory of Buddy Holly, 51 years ago Rock and Roll will never die, Jackie Dancin' Out From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Feb 3 16:08:32 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Feb 3 16:09:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] oops...OT In-Reply-To: <3A5EA415-6C4E-47D4-93F2-2F394FDB42CC@verizon.net> References: <3A5EA415-6C4E-47D4-93F2-2F394FDB42CC@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9D64D69A-91DB-459D-8527-D0BDCA46D580@verizon.net> sorry, forgot to put "Off Topic" Jackie On Feb 3, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Eve to all, > Tonight's choice of Dinner Music is in memory of Buddy Holly, 51 years ago > Rock and Roll will never die, > Jackie > Dancin' Out > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From digiovanni13 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 3 16:54:16 2010 From: digiovanni13 at yahoo.com (S.R. Boland) Date: Wed Feb 3 16:55:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dinner Music In-Reply-To: <3A5EA415-6C4E-47D4-93F2-2F394FDB42CC@verizon.net> Message-ID: <819804.63231.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Buddy Holly... Ritchie Valens... the Big Bopper... Feb. 3, 1959. Three of the greats... S.R. "Boris" Boland --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dinner Music > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 6:54 PM > Eve to all, > Tonight's choice of Dinner Music is in memory of Buddy > Holly, 51 years ago > Rock and Roll will never die, > Jackie > Dancin' Out > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Feb 3 16:57:46 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Feb 3 16:58:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dinner Music In-Reply-To: <819804.63231.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <819804.63231.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: yep, all three were awesome....Holly was my favorite! Jackie On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:54 PM, S.R. Boland wrote: > Buddy Holly... Ritchie Valens... the Big Bopper... > > Feb. 3, 1959. > > Three of the greats... > > S.R. "Boris" Boland > > > --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> From: Jackie Elgie >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dinner Music >> To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 6:54 PM >> Eve to all, >> Tonight's choice of Dinner Music is in memory of Buddy >> Holly, 51 years ago >> Rock and Roll will never die, >> Jackie >> Dancin' Out >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Feb 3 19:14:59 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Feb 3 19:16:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dinner Music In-Reply-To: <819804.63231.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <718611.60892.qm@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 2/3/10, S.R. Boland wrote: > Buddy Holly... Ritchie Valens... the Big Bopper... > > Feb. 3, 1959. > > Three of the greats... But wasn't the Big Bopper really a "One Hit Wonder"? It's a shame that he lost his life, but there were a lot "heavily produced" music acts in the 50s that flashed and faded. As I recall he was a major market DJ and that must have helped him get his song onto the air. Not as blatant as The Guess Who's "Clap for the Wolfman", certainly, but it couldn't have hurt. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Feb 3 19:34:29 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Feb 3 19:35:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1967 Wico flyer with images. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <331732.52467.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > I mentioned this a week or so ago. Here it is. Prices > expired April, 1967. > Follow this URL to see scans of the pages. > VL 200 modernizing (monster-izing) kit, 3W1 wallbox > updates, cheap tubes, pretty "MOD" girls, LSD - all kinds of > goodies. Wow. The image of the winking girl, the admonition not to be "caught short" and a typeface that could easily confuse one into thinking that the banner was "GRAB THESE BIG BUNS" can't be a coincidence. Ah, the innocence of 1960s advertising... From jhayes2613 at aol.com Wed Feb 3 20:56:12 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Wed Feb 3 20:57:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] No thanks. Message-ID: <151AF839-77D5-47D6-B971-E6157213E9DC@aol.com> http://kansascity.craigslist.org/atq/1583172675.html From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Feb 3 21:05:36 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Feb 3 21:07:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 Marquee Message-ID: <00bc01caa557$aff2c060$48944e18@compaq> Now, this is definately a reproduction. Maybe this is the reproduction style people were talking about? It would still look nice ontop of the 3W1 http://cgi.ebay.com/SEEBURG-3W1-WALLBOX-TOP-MARQUE_W0QQitemZ150410928026QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2305309f9a Joey McDonald From mmarsh16 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 3 23:40:08 2010 From: mmarsh16 at hotmail.com (Mike Marsh) Date: Wed Feb 3 23:47:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dinner Music In-Reply-To: <3A5EA415-6C4E-47D4-93F2-2F394FDB42CC@verizon.net> References: <3A5EA415-6C4E-47D4-93F2-2F394FDB42CC@verizon.net> Message-ID: And give a Spin to Richie Valens and the Big Bopper as we remember that tragic day. > From: etreble7@verizon.net > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:54:15 -0500 > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > CC: > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dinner Music > > Eve to all, > Tonight's choice of Dinner Music is in memory of Buddy Holly, 51 years ago > Rock and Roll will never die, > Jackie > Dancin' Out > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Feb 4 04:06:02 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Feb 4 04:07:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] No thanks. In-Reply-To: <151AF839-77D5-47D6-B971-E6157213E9DC@aol.com> References: <151AF839-77D5-47D6-B971-E6157213E9DC@aol.com> Message-ID: <71898C32-7DEE-4A07-A6DE-486CC3EB6807@verizon.net> John, wow, that's really terrible, lol....is the turntable in the center correct, compared to the 147m where the turntable is off to the right side? just wondering Jackie On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:56 PM, John Hayes wrote: > http://kansascity.craigslist.org/atq/1583172675.html > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 4 04:46:38 2010 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Thu Feb 4 04:49:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] No thanks. In-Reply-To: <71898C32-7DEE-4A07-A6DE-486CC3EB6807@verizon.net> Message-ID: <588368.49166.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> ewwwww ewwwww ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww....that is just wrong! sacrilege I tell you! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] No thanks. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 7:06 AM John, wow, that's really terrible, lol....is the turntable in the center correct, compared to the 147m where the turntable is off to the right side?? just wondering Jackie On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:56 PM, John Hayes wrote: > http://kansascity.craigslist.org/atq/1583172675.html > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinplayers at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 05:03:02 2010 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Thu Feb 4 05:04:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DI-NOC for Seeburg 222 In-Reply-To: <4B69FCB8.7060306@west.net> References: <17010.233c0cda.389b52e9@aol.com> <4B69FCB8.7060306@west.net> Message-ID: <8cf1842e1002040503n58f90b49lfb36b29cb8c79788@mail.gmail.com> Here is a link to a photo I found. Looks to be a flyer of the 222 showing the horizontal gray wood grain. I like the color but not sure I would apply it with the horizontal gain. I'm leaning toward vertical I think it flows better. http://www.jukeboxen.nl/images/seeb222.jpg Don From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Feb 4 05:06:01 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Feb 4 05:07:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] No thanks. In-Reply-To: <71898C32-7DEE-4A07-A6DE-486CC3EB6807@verizon.net> References: <151AF839-77D5-47D6-B971-E6157213E9DC@aol.com> <71898C32-7DEE-4A07-A6DE-486CC3EB6807@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000001caa59a$cda37a30$68ea6e90$@net> That is a complete hack job. Would like to see how they "modernized" and "updated" the backside. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Elgie Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:06 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] No thanks. John, wow, that's really terrible, lol....is the turntable in the center correct, compared to the 147m where the turntable is off to the right side? just wondering Jackie On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:56 PM, John Hayes wrote: > http://kansascity.craigslist.org/atq/1583172675.html > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2653 - Release Date: 02/03/10 02:09:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Feb 4 06:46:24 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Feb 4 06:47:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] No thanks. In-Reply-To: <151AF839-77D5-47D6-B971-E6157213E9DC@aol.com> Message-ID: <137157.32031.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 2/3/10, John Hayes wrote: > http://kansascity.craigslist.org/atq/1583172675.html Reminds me of the fad from the 60s where magazines and how-to books everywhere had instructions on how you could "Give Grandma's old Victrola new life" by converting it into a liquor cabinet. From amej at ix.netcom.com Wed Feb 3 23:16:08 2010 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Thu Feb 4 07:45:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips In-Reply-To: <061963855DC841DCA5ED5ED561FAECD8@ownerbob1> References: <1D781453-9219-43A7-B531-4A9F47461DC2@att.net> <0D496B0C-8C58-46EE-93B4-6D3AC3948DCF@verizon.net> <061963855DC841DCA5ED5ED561FAECD8@ownerbob1> Message-ID: <4B6A7438.1020405@ix.netcom.com> Hi All, I am using the "Jukebox 5" Label Program. > http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ It gives me a list of my records so I can keep an inventory of them. When I get a new record, I clean it and then print a label. This forces me to add it to my inventory. I now am at about 900 45 & 33 1/3 Records. Then, I can print out a check list by any reference. Should I miss something, I can look at one of my lists to confirm the data. A custom alpha, numeric or logical field can be designed for your choice. I use one to list the quality, or grade of each record. Also, I have a "quick look" at the duplicates I have. Labels can be custom designed with MS Paint, or use the selection within the program. I print them out on my Color Laser Printer and cut them with a Fiskars Photo Trimmer. Each record goes into its white sleeve with the label included. The records are in CD trays (from Target) in alphabetical order. From there, the trays are placed in a display case for protection and viewing. I store my special tools, cartridges and needles there, too. (Am I organized? Yes!) Regards, Dick Habegger Phelan, CA On 11:59 AM, Bob Ford wrote: > Hi Jackie, > > This site centres all the titles for you and reduces the width of the > type face for long titles, or names of artists, however, I find it > best in these instances is to type in three spaces before the words > and two after, this makes sure that the artists' names don't creep > over the beginning of the centre block and with titles, it stops the > first and last letters being too close to the ends of the title card. > On "normal" length names of titles or artists, it isn't a problem. > > I save each sheet of twenty titles on my computer, so I can run them > off any time. You never know how long these facilities will stay on line. > I also save them in different colours and styles, in case I want to > have a change at sometime. This can be done by just paging back and > clicking on a different style or colour before you click on "clear > fields" to type in the next batch. > > Bob. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips > > > Thanks Bob, never saw this site before, it looks great! > Jackie > > > > > On Feb 2, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Bob Ford wrote: > >> If there's a better free site for title cards than this, (which I >> think is excellent) I'd be obliged if someone would let me know. >> >> http://www.mikesarcade.com/arcade/titlestrips.html >> >> Bob Ford. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Howlett" >> >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips >> >> >>> You can print your own at pinballrebel.com >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Moran, Thomas >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I was wondering if there was a source for title strips for the AMI >>>> Model A. >>>> Any info or advice would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tom From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Thu Feb 4 08:34:16 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Thu Feb 4 08:35:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips References: <1D781453-9219-43A7-B531-4A9F47461DC2@att.net> <0D496B0C-8C58-46EE-93B4-6D3AC3948DCF@verizon.net><061963855DC841DCA5ED5ED561FAECD8@ownerbob1> <4B6A7438.1020405@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <0BE1352A363C4E9BBE800F95FC5CE71E@ownerbob1> That seems quite a good facility, but it costs fifty dollars. For those of us not wishing to spend that sort of money can cope with the free system and put their catalogue on an Excel spreadsheet, it works quite well for me. Bob Ford. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Habegger" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips > Hi All, > > I am using the "Jukebox 5" Label Program. >> http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ > It gives me a list of my records so I can keep an inventory of them. When > I get a new record, I clean it and then print a label. > This forces me to add it to my inventory. I now am at about 900 45 & 33 > 1/3 Records. > Then, I can print out a check list by any reference. Should I miss > something, I can look at one of my lists to confirm the data. > A custom alpha, numeric or logical field can be designed for your choice. > I use one to list the quality, or grade of each record. > Also, I have a "quick look" at the duplicates I have. > > Labels can be custom designed with MS Paint, or use the selection within > the program. > > I print them out on my Color Laser Printer and cut them with a Fiskars > Photo Trimmer. > > Each record goes into its white sleeve with the label included. The > records are in CD trays (from Target) in alphabetical order. > From there, the trays are placed in a display case for protection and > viewing. I store my special tools, cartridges and needles there, too. > (Am I organized? Yes!) > > Regards, > > Dick Habegger > Phelan, CA > > > On 11:59 AM, Bob Ford wrote: >> Hi Jackie, >> >> This site centres all the titles for you and reduces the width of the >> type face for long titles, or names of artists, however, I find it best >> in these instances is to type in three spaces before the words and two >> after, this makes sure that the artists' names don't creep over the >> beginning of the centre block and with titles, it stops the first and >> last letters being too close to the ends of the title card. On "normal" >> length names of titles or artists, it isn't a problem. >> >> I save each sheet of twenty titles on my computer, so I can run them off >> any time. You never know how long these facilities will stay on line. >> I also save them in different colours and styles, in case I want to >> have a change at sometime. This can be done by just paging back and >> clicking on a different style or colour before you click on "clear >> fields" to type in the next batch. >> >> Bob. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips >> >> >> Thanks Bob, never saw this site before, it looks great! >> Jackie >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 2, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Bob Ford wrote: >> >>> If there's a better free site for title cards than this, (which I think >>> is excellent) I'd be obliged if someone would let me know. >>> >>> http://www.mikesarcade.com/arcade/titlestrips.html >>> >>> Bob Ford. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Howlett" >>> >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips >>> >>> >>>> You can print your own at pinballrebel.com >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Moran, Thomas >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was wondering if there was a source for title strips for the AMI >>>>> Model A. >>>>> Any info or advice would be appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 4 09:04:19 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 4 09:05:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DI-NOC for Seeburg 222 In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e1002040503n58f90b49lfb36b29cb8c79788@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <718600.89219.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy's, I am not sure, but my mind seems to remember that "side grain" as being somewhat random--possibly grain was shown as somewhat of a "tiger" pattern, in white ?-- I have NO idear where this is coming from, and it may be a complete figment of my re-magination ??? Or one that I had seen re-done ??--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Donald Whiting wrote: From: Donald Whiting Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] DI-NOC for Seeburg 222 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 5:03 AM Here is a link to a photo I found. Looks to be a flyer of the 222 showing the horizontal gray wood grain. I like the color but not sure I would apply it with the horizontal gain. I'm leaning toward vertical I think it flows better. http://www.jukeboxen.nl/images/seeb222.jpg Don _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From bpgbpg at comcast.net Thu Feb 4 09:11:04 2010 From: bpgbpg at comcast.net (Brad Grant) Date: Thu Feb 4 09:11:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: W 1250 plays record too fast Message-ID: Thanks, Aaron for the reply. I don't think I have an idler wheel on my 1250-- it's 2 motors (one for each direction on top of each other), with one shaft that turns the turntable, right? Yes, too fast in both directions. Anyone ?? Also, that brings up something else--I thought the size of the idler wheel was not an issue with speed-- the fatter the shaft that turns the idler, the faster the idler turns the turntable, but the size of the idler wheel does not govern the speed. I could be wrong, I'm not an engineer, but this is what I have read on the subject. I needed to change a RO 1434 from 45 to 78. It was the size of the shaft that turned the idler I needed to focus on, and I was successful in the end, but it coulda just been luck! Anyone? Thanks, Brad Brad, I have a 1250, and although it's been about 10 years since I've monkeyed with the inner workings of the mech - so my memory isn't the greatest on this - I'll take a stab and say that it could be the fact that your idler wheel is not the correct size for 78rpm any longer. Is it the original? Hopefully someone can chime in on this one... but there could also be some gunk or debris on the turntable motor spindle. Does the speed issue exist on both the A side and B side of a record? Aaron On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brad Grant wrote: My W 1250 runs the tt too fast. Anyone else have a problem like this on this era Wurlys and know how to solve? It's very slight, (maybe 79-80 instead of 78) but enough to make the songs stuck in my head sound different-- musically, it's about half a step. Thanks, Brad, Vacaville, CA From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Feb 4 09:49:15 2010 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Feb 4 09:50:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: W 1250 plays record too fast References: Message-ID: <001001caa5c2$5e7ed7d0$1ed24109@IBMCamargo> There should be a drive 'idler' wheel between the motor shaft and the large weighted drive wheel at the bottom of the TT shaft. You change the Idler wheel to change the speed from 45 to 78. The difference is the diameter of the smallest hub on the idler wheel. Look at your 1250 parts catalog - page 12 and 13. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Grant" To: Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:11 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: W 1250 plays record too fast > Thanks, Aaron for the reply. I don't think I have an idler wheel on my > 1250-- it's 2 motors (one for each direction on top of each other), with > one shaft that turns the turntable, right? Yes, too fast in both > directions. Anyone ?? > > Also, that brings up something else--I thought the size of the idler > wheel was not an issue with speed-- the fatter the shaft that turns the > idler, the faster the idler turns the turntable, but the size of the > idler wheel does not govern the speed. I could be wrong, I'm not an > engineer, but this is what I have read on the subject. I needed to change > a RO 1434 from 45 to 78. It was the size of the shaft that turned the > idler I needed to focus on, and I was successful in the end, but it > coulda just been luck! > > Anyone? > > Thanks, Brad > > > > Brad, > I have a 1250, and although it's been about 10 years since I've monkeyed > with the inner workings of the mech - so my memory isn't the greatest on > this - I'll take a stab and say that it could be the fact that your idler > wheel is not the correct size for 78rpm any longer. Is it the original? > Hopefully someone can chime in on this one... but there could also be > some > gunk or debris on the turntable motor spindle. Does the speed issue exist > on > both the A side and B side of a record? > Aaron > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brad Grant wrote: > > My W 1250 runs the tt too fast. Anyone else have a problem like this on > this era Wurlys and know how to solve? It's very slight, (maybe 79-80 > instead of 78) but enough to make the songs stuck in my head sound > different-- musically, it's about half a step. > > Thanks, Brad, Vacaville, CA > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jay at west.net Thu Feb 4 10:00:57 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Feb 4 10:02:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Idler wheels and speed, was: W 1250 plays record too fast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6B0B59.6030008@west.net> Brad Grant wrote: > Also, that brings up something else--I thought the size of the idler > wheel was not an issue with speed-- the fatter the shaft that turns the > idler, the faster the idler turns the turntable, but the size of the > idler wheel does not govern the speed. I could be wrong, I'm not an > engineer, but this is what I have read on the subject. I needed to > change a RO 1434 from 45 to 78. It was the size of the shaft that turned > the idler I needed to focus on, and I was successful in the end, but it > coulda just been luck! You are usually correct. In the case of a simple idler wheel where the drive shaft and turntable rim contact the same surface, the diameter of the wheel won't affect the speed. Imperfections such as flat spots, out-of-round, and the like will cause repetitive variations but the overall speed won't be affected. If the idler uses a different surface for the drive motor and the turntable, then the ratio of the two surfaces is a factor in the speed. This is the case in the idlers for the Wurlitzer 2800-3000 and similar where the idler uses a rubber wheel to contact the motor and a metal pulley for the drive belts. It's also true on the little RCA changers as used in the Ristaucrat where there are two different rubber surfaces of different sizes for the motor and the turntable. I'm not knowledgeable about the particulars of the drive mechanism on a 1250. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From steve at pro-ns.net Thu Feb 4 10:16:15 2010 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Thu Feb 4 10:17:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: W 1250 plays record too fast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100204181615.GQ9764@pro-ns.net> On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 09:11:04AM -0800, Brad Grant wrote: > Also, that brings up something else--I thought the size of the idler > wheel was not an issue with speed-- the fatter the shaft that turns the > idler, the faster the idler turns the turntable, but the size of the > idler wheel does not govern the speed. I could be wrong, I'm not an > engineer, but this is what I have read on the subject. I needed to > change a RO 1434 from 45 to 78. It was the size of the shaft that turned > the idler I needed to focus on, and I was successful in the end, but it > coulda just been luck! > > Anyone? Yes, a single disk idler being the wrong size will not affect the speed, assuming the rubber is good (not hard) and the correct shape (no flat spots or dents). Even if worn to a smaller diameter, it will still transfer the motion from the motor to the platter rim at a 1:1 ratio. There are some dual-disk idlers (I found pictures at http://www.turntablebasics.com/idlerwheels.html) that do affect the ratio. On those, a change in diameter could affect the speed. There's one of these in my old RCA 45 player, for example. But I don't recall hearing of a dual-disk idler in a jukebox. Even though idler size can't change the speed, slipping and/or friction will slow things down, so you could check for hardened rubber on the wheel, incorrect tension on the spring that keeps the wheel in contact with the motor and turntable, or bad lubrication on the idler wheel's bearings. --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. -Upton Sinclair From steve at pro-ns.net Thu Feb 4 10:20:47 2010 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Thu Feb 4 10:21:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Idler wheels and speed, was: W 1250 plays record too fast In-Reply-To: <4B6B0B59.6030008@west.net> References: <4B6B0B59.6030008@west.net> Message-ID: <20100204182047.GR9764@pro-ns.net> OK, forget what I said; even while I was writing that makes *two* corrections already: some jukeboxes have dual disk / dual surface idlers. --> Steve On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 10:00:57AM -0800, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Brad Grant wrote: > >> Also, that brings up something else--I thought the size of the idler >> wheel was not an issue with speed-- the fatter the shaft that turns the >> idler, the faster the idler turns the turntable, but the size of the >> idler wheel does not govern the speed. I could be wrong, I'm not an >> engineer, but this is what I have read on the subject. I needed to >> change a RO 1434 from 45 to 78. It was the size of the shaft that >> turned the idler I needed to focus on, and I was successful in the end, >> but it coulda just been luck! > > You are usually correct. In the case of a simple idler wheel where the > drive shaft and turntable rim contact the same surface, the diameter of > the wheel won't affect the speed. Imperfections such as flat spots, > out-of-round, and the like will cause repetitive variations but the > overall speed won't be affected. > > If the idler uses a different surface for the drive motor and the > turntable, then the ratio of the two surfaces is a factor in the speed. > This is the case in the idlers for the Wurlitzer 2800-3000 and similar > where the idler uses a rubber wheel to contact the motor and a metal > pulley for the drive belts. It's also true on the little RCA changers > as used in the Ristaucrat where there are two different rubber surfaces > of different sizes for the motor and the turntable. > > I'm not knowledgeable about the particulars of the drive mechanism on a > 1250. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." -- Vance Petree, Virginia Power From jugert at msn.com Thu Feb 4 10:27:30 2010 From: jugert at msn.com (Don Jugert) Date: Thu Feb 4 10:28:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Denver Craigslist - Old Mills Jukebox In-Reply-To: <4B6B0B59.6030008@west.net> References: , <4B6B0B59.6030008@west.net> Message-ID: http://denver.craigslist.org/clt/1581391861.html Here's an old Mills Constellation Jukebox. I seen this jukebox about 20-25 years ago and it was in nice shape. If anyone on the list is serious about buying this I would go take some pics for you. This juke is about 2 miles from my house. I don't know this person but I am sure this was the jukebox. I already have a 1930 Mills and really 1 Mills is enough. Don Jugert Colorful Colorado From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Feb 4 10:36:39 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Feb 4 10:38:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips In-Reply-To: <4B6A7438.1020405@ix.netcom.com> References: <1D781453-9219-43A7-B531-4A9F47461DC2@att.net> <0D496B0C-8C58-46EE-93B4-6D3AC3948DCF@verizon.net> <061963855DC841DCA5ED5ED561FAECD8@ownerbob1> <4B6A7438.1020405@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Dick.....that is exactly the system I want to achieve!! Good for you, Jackie On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:16 AM, Dick Habegger wrote: > Hi All, > > I am using the "Jukebox 5" Label Program. >> http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ > It gives me a list of my records so I can keep an inventory of them. When I get a new record, I clean it and then print a label. > This forces me to add it to my inventory. I now am at about 900 45 & 33 1/3 Records. > Then, I can print out a check list by any reference. Should I miss something, I can look at one of my lists to confirm the data. > A custom alpha, numeric or logical field can be designed for your choice. I use one to list the quality, or grade of each record. > Also, I have a "quick look" at the duplicates I have. > > Labels can be custom designed with MS Paint, or use the selection within the program. > > I print them out on my Color Laser Printer and cut them with a Fiskars Photo Trimmer. > > Each record goes into its white sleeve with the label included. The records are in CD trays (from Target) in alphabetical order. > From there, the trays are placed in a display case for protection and viewing. I store my special tools, cartridges and needles there, too. > (Am I organized? Yes!) > > Regards, > > Dick Habegger > Phelan, CA > > > On 11:59 AM, Bob Ford wrote: >> Hi Jackie, >> >> This site centres all the titles for you and reduces the width of the type face for long titles, or names of artists, however, I find it best in these instances is to type in three spaces before the words and two after, this makes sure that the artists' names don't creep over the beginning of the centre block and with titles, it stops the first and last letters being too close to the ends of the title card. On "normal" length names of titles or artists, it isn't a problem. >> >> I save each sheet of twenty titles on my computer, so I can run them off any time. You never know how long these facilities will stay on line. >> I also save them in different colours and styles, in case I want to have a change at sometime. This can be done by just paging back and clicking on a different style or colour before you click on "clear fields" to type in the next batch. >> >> Bob. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips >> >> >> Thanks Bob, never saw this site before, it looks great! >> Jackie >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 2, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Bob Ford wrote: >> >>> If there's a better free site for title cards than this, (which I think is excellent) I'd be obliged if someone would let me know. >>> >>> http://www.mikesarcade.com/arcade/titlestrips.html >>> >>> Bob Ford. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Howlett" >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips >>> >>> >>>> You can print your own at pinballrebel.com >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Moran, Thomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was wondering if there was a source for title strips for the AMI Model A. >>>>> Any info or advice would be appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 4 13:33:30 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 4 13:34:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help-reading-- Message-ID: <588449.86826.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Is anyone familiar with the symbols used by RoweAMi on the 50 watt hybrid amp on page 3-25/6 of the MM--5 Service Manual ? If so, could you drop me a note off list, as I'm attempting to understand what they were doing--? ronnnrich@yahoo.com? TIA, Ron Rich From digiovanni13 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 4 14:33:09 2010 From: digiovanni13 at yahoo.com (S.R. Boland) Date: Thu Feb 4 14:34:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dinner Music In-Reply-To: <718611.60892.qm@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <761038.3889.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Big Bopper (J.P. Richardson) also wrote "Running Bear" for Johnny Preston and "White Lightning" for George Jones. Both were huge hits. Who knows what other hit songs he would have written, had he lived? --- On Wed, 2/3/10, David Breneman wrote: > From: David Breneman > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dinner Music > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 10:14 PM > --- On Wed, 2/3/10, S.R. Boland > > wrote: > > > Buddy Holly... Ritchie Valens... the Big Bopper... > > > > Feb. 3, 1959. > > > > Three of the greats... > > But wasn't the Big Bopper really a "One Hit Wonder"?? > It's > a shame that he lost his life, but there were a lot > "heavily > produced" music acts in the 50s that flashed and faded. > As I recall he was a major market DJ and that must have > helped him get his song onto the air.? Not as blatant > as > The Guess Who's "Clap for the Wolfman", certainly, but > it couldn't have hurt. > > > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From Jjmscf at aol.com Thu Feb 4 18:06:03 2010 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 4 18:07:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DI-NOC for Seeburg 222 Message-ID: <1b8e4.52b76e0a.389cd70b@aol.com> That reminds me of the 222 in the Victory Glass catalogue centerfold that has been redone. J.C. In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:05:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: Guy's, I am not sure, but my mind seems to remember that "side grain" as being somewhat random--possibly grain was shown as somewhat of a "tiger" pattern, in white ?-- I have NO idear where this is coming from, and it may be a complete figment of my re-magination ??? Or one that I had seen re-done ??--Ron Rich From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Feb 4 18:42:29 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Feb 4 18:45:12 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: W 1250 plays record too fast Message-ID: <20100204.214229.29783.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Guys: The Wurlitzer 48 select record changers of the 50's do use a dual step idler wheel to drive the turntable. Different idlers with different pulley ratios were available to make the turntable speed either 78, 45 or 33 1/3 RPM. The TT motor setup is unusual as well. 2 2 pole conventional phono motors are operating a common driveshaft (one spins clockwise, the other counterclockwise to play the B sides of records). Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Guc5pRKzpXttDNQrbzUXrQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com Fri Feb 5 02:31:19 2010 From: mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com (mark bowman) Date: Fri Feb 5 02:32:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg Envoy so far so good In-Reply-To: <20100204.214229.29783.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100204.214229.29783.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <80DD813A5F5744F8A4CFFB4988CC3A19@MarkPC> Got a 110V transformer and juiced up the envoy this afternoon, the mechanism works fine, the pick up is the old moving magnet type which takes one play gramophone needles! put a sacrificial record in it and had to adjust the tone arm which was hanging off its pivot and it now tracks fine, well as good as a 4oz tracking weight and 1 play needle can muster, although on 50 cycles its a bit slow at 65 RPM, any idea on how to re gear these Seeburgs?! The selector has been hammerised (as named by Gerry Wells of UK vintage wirless fame, where a Radio Ham would modify a perfectly good set out of all recognition) and has been put on continual selctor free play when pressing a buton the selected indicator wheel just chatters and wont turn, the amp seems a little low on volume but i'll have a fiddle with things and see where it gets me. Lastly the machine came with a W4L56 wireless wallbox, as I understand it this was launched later than the Envoy in 1946, it has 2 valves and runs off 115Volts, other than that iv no information, I take it this needs to be matched with a receiver in order to make remote selections? Any advice would be appreciated From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Thu Feb 4 08:34:16 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Fri Feb 5 05:20:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips References: <1D781453-9219-43A7-B531-4A9F47461DC2@att.net> <0D496B0C-8C58-46EE-93B4-6D3AC3948DCF@verizon.net><061963855DC841DCA5ED5ED561FAECD8@ownerbob1> <4B6A7438.1020405@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <0BE1352A363C4E9BBE800F95FC5CE71E@ownerbob1> That seems quite a good facility, but it costs fifty dollars. For those of us not wishing to spend that sort of money can cope with the free system and put their catalogue on an Excel spreadsheet, it works quite well for me. Bob Ford. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Habegger" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips > Hi All, > > I am using the "Jukebox 5" Label Program. >> http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ > It gives me a list of my records so I can keep an inventory of them. When > I get a new record, I clean it and then print a label. > This forces me to add it to my inventory. I now am at about 900 45 & 33 > 1/3 Records. > Then, I can print out a check list by any reference. Should I miss > something, I can look at one of my lists to confirm the data. > A custom alpha, numeric or logical field can be designed for your choice. > I use one to list the quality, or grade of each record. > Also, I have a "quick look" at the duplicates I have. > > Labels can be custom designed with MS Paint, or use the selection within > the program. > > I print them out on my Color Laser Printer and cut them with a Fiskars > Photo Trimmer. > > Each record goes into its white sleeve with the label included. The > records are in CD trays (from Target) in alphabetical order. > From there, the trays are placed in a display case for protection and > viewing. I store my special tools, cartridges and needles there, too. > (Am I organized? Yes!) > > Regards, > > Dick Habegger > Phelan, CA > > > On 11:59 AM, Bob Ford wrote: >> Hi Jackie, >> >> This site centres all the titles for you and reduces the width of the >> type face for long titles, or names of artists, however, I find it best >> in these instances is to type in three spaces before the words and two >> after, this makes sure that the artists' names don't creep over the >> beginning of the centre block and with titles, it stops the first and >> last letters being too close to the ends of the title card. On "normal" >> length names of titles or artists, it isn't a problem. >> >> I save each sheet of twenty titles on my computer, so I can run them off >> any time. You never know how long these facilities will stay on line. >> I also save them in different colours and styles, in case I want to >> have a change at sometime. This can be done by just paging back and >> clicking on a different style or colour before you click on "clear >> fields" to type in the next batch. >> >> Bob. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips >> >> >> Thanks Bob, never saw this site before, it looks great! >> Jackie >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 2, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Bob Ford wrote: >> >>> If there's a better free site for title cards than this, (which I think >>> is excellent) I'd be obliged if someone would let me know. >>> >>> http://www.mikesarcade.com/arcade/titlestrips.html >>> >>> Bob Ford. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Howlett" >>> >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A-Title Strips >>> >>> >>>> You can print your own at pinballrebel.com >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Moran, Thomas >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was wondering if there was a source for title strips for the AMI >>>>> Model A. >>>>> Any info or advice would be appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ksherwin at execpc.com Fri Feb 5 06:13:54 2010 From: ksherwin at execpc.com (Karl Sherwin) Date: Fri Feb 5 06:15:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Cabinet Restoration Site Message-ID: <000b01caa66d$739e22f0$6401a8c0@KARL> Hi, Several months ago I happened upon a site that had detailed pictures of a restoration of a Wurlitzer, I thought it was a 1900, but could have been a 2000 or maybe a 2150/2200/2250? Many of the pictures and write-up concerned the stripping and refinishing of the cabinet, particularly how they maintained the woodgrain texture when they repainted it. I thought I saved the link, but can not find it. I thought it was a European site, but again not sure. I know this is a long shot, would anyone happen to have seen that site? Thanks, Karl From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Feb 5 07:00:07 2010 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Fri Feb 5 07:01:18 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dinner Music In-Reply-To: <761038.3889.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <313134.36052.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Just listened to a Buddy Holly interview on the radio last week (possibly by Ed Sullivan but cant remember). I think it was not long before he died and guess what, he mentioned his concerns about light aircraft crashes. How very very spooky..... Gary --- On Thu, 4/2/10, S.R. Boland wrote: > From: S.R. Boland > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dinner Music > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, 4 February, 2010, 22:33 > > Big Bopper (J.P. Richardson) also wrote "Running Bear" for > Johnny Preston and "White Lightning" for George Jones.? > Both were huge hits. > > Who knows what other hit songs he would have written, had > he lived? > > > > > --- On Wed, 2/3/10, David Breneman > wrote: > > > From: David Breneman > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dinner Music > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 10:14 PM > > --- On Wed, 2/3/10, S.R. Boland > > > > wrote: > > > > > Buddy Holly... Ritchie Valens... the Big > Bopper... > > > > > > Feb. 3, 1959. > > > > > > Three of the greats... > > > > But wasn't the Big Bopper really a "One Hit > Wonder"?? > > It's > > a shame that he lost his life, but there were a lot > > "heavily > > produced" music acts in the 50s that flashed and > faded. > > As I recall he was a major market DJ and that must > have > > helped him get his song onto the air.? Not as > blatant > > as > > The Guess Who's "Clap for the Wolfman", certainly, > but > > it couldn't have hurt. > > > > > > > > > > ? ? ? > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 5 07:09:09 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Fri Feb 5 07:10:17 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 Message-ID: I've acquired a Rock-Ola 443 which has a different amplifier to my other Juke. This has two switches that control the speakers with settings from 1-3. Can anyone please tell me what numbers should the be on for normal use. many thanks, Bob Ford From jeffzurn at cox.net Fri Feb 5 08:30:55 2010 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Fri Feb 5 08:32:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 References: Message-ID: <001a01caa680$978bd9b0$1ed24109@IBMCamargo> Bob, The 442 manual in my possession says the switches should both be set to '1' for normal (phono only) operation. Although the 442 switche settings are 1-4. Hope that helps. Jeff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Ford" To: Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:09 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 I've acquired a Rock-Ola 443 which has a different amplifier to my other Juke. This has two switches that control the speakers with settings from 1-3. Can anyone please tell me what numbers should the be on for normal use. many thanks, Bob Ford _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Feb 5 08:54:57 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Feb 5 08:56:04 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg Envoy so far so good In-Reply-To: <80DD813A5F5744F8A4CFFB4988CC3A19@MarkPC> Message-ID: <256004.17397.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mark, Sorry, I can't help you--a little before "my time"--however I LOVE the word "Hammerised" ! I think that I will make it my mission for the rest of my life to introduce that word into general usage !--I won't print here what we call that here--well, OK --"Rube Goldburg'ed", when we are being "polite", and/or "PC"--- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 2/5/10, mark bowman wrote: From: mark bowman Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg Envoy so far so good To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 2:31 AM Got a 110V transformer and juiced up the envoy this afternoon, the mechanism works fine, the pick up is the old moving magnet type which takes one play gramophone needles! put a sacrificial record in it and had to adjust the tone arm which was hanging off its pivot and it now tracks fine, well as good as a 4oz tracking weight and 1 play needle can muster, although on 50 cycles its a bit slow at 65 RPM, any idea on how to re gear these Seeburgs?! The selector has been hammerised (as named by Gerry Wells of UK vintage wirless fame, where a Radio Ham would modify a perfectly good set out of all recognition) and has been put on continual selctor free play when pressing a buton the selected indicator wheel just chatters and wont turn, the amp seems a little low on volume but i'll have a fiddle with things and see where it gets me. Lastly the machine came with a W4L56 wireless wallbox, as I understand it this was launched later than the Envoy in 1946, it has 2 valves and runs off 115Volts, other than that iv no information, I take it this needs to be matched with a receiver in order to make remote selections? Any advice would be appreciated _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 5 09:24:20 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Fri Feb 5 09:25:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 References: <001a01caa680$978bd9b0$1ed24109@IBMCamargo> Message-ID: <78706823A2EA4DFEA80466368B8351A5@ownerbob1> Thanks for that Jeff, you are right, it is 1- 4 not 1-3 as I said. I have a manual, but couldn't find that instruction. Bob. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Zurn" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 > Bob, > The 442 manual in my possession says the switches should both be set to > '1' for normal (phono only) operation. > Although the 442 switche settings are 1-4. > > Hope that helps. > > Jeff. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Ford" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:09 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 > > > I've acquired a Rock-Ola 443 which has a different amplifier to my other > Juke. > > This has two switches that control the speakers with settings from 1-3. > Can anyone please tell me what numbers should the be on for normal use. > > many thanks, > > Bob Ford > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Feb 5 09:37:21 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Feb 5 09:38:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech Message-ID: Good Afternoon, I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI G80. I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does anyone have an opinion on the pin bank? I am not getting it wet, but wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned? Maybe just a dry brush to take away the dust? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, the turntable will be another post!! :) Anyway, thanks in advance Jackie From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Feb 5 09:40:22 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Feb 5 09:41:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A12F961-75BE-47F6-AE8D-2DCB3AA161B9@verizon.net> ok, Ron quit laughing....I forgot to attach pics.....my bad! http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100129 On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Good Afternoon, > I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI G80. I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does anyone have an opinion on the pin bank? I am not getting it wet, but wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned? Maybe just a dry brush to take away the dust? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, the turntable will be another post!! :) Anyway, thanks in advance > Jackie_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jeffzurn at cox.net Fri Feb 5 09:53:11 2010 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Fri Feb 5 09:54:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 References: <001a01caa680$978bd9b0$1ed24109@IBMCamargo> <78706823A2EA4DFEA80466368B8351A5@ownerbob1> Message-ID: <000801caa68c$1baceb70$1ed24109@IBMCamargo> Bob, I found it in the 442 manual after the amplifier parts listing - 'Servicing Amplifier' section - Speaker Installation guide. It is a full page table with the various settings for the 2 switches 1-4. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Ford" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 > Thanks for that Jeff, > you are right, it is 1- 4 not 1-3 as I said. > I have a manual, but couldn't find that instruction. > > Bob. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Zurn" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 > > >> Bob, >> The 442 manual in my possession says the switches should both be set to >> '1' for normal (phono only) operation. >> Although the 442 switche settings are 1-4. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Jeff. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Ford" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:09 AM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 >> >> >> I've acquired a Rock-Ola 443 which has a different amplifier to my other >> Juke. >> >> This has two switches that control the speakers with settings from 1-3. >> Can anyone please tell me what numbers should the be on for normal use. >> >> many thanks, >> >> Bob Ford >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Feb 5 10:34:40 2010 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Feb 5 10:35:47 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech In-Reply-To: <5A12F961-75BE-47F6-AE8D-2DCB3AA161B9@verizon.net> References: <5A12F961-75BE-47F6-AE8D-2DCB3AA161B9@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20100205183151.M98638@dwave.net> Jackie, as far as cleaning the bank - it depends on how smoothly the levers operate now and how nice you want it to look/operate in the future. When I went through the 120E I completely disassembled the levers and cleaned up everything. See my album for some photos of this http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/AMI%20120%20E/ Jeremy Agema On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:40:22 -0500, Jackie Elgie wrote > ok, Ron quit laughing....I forgot to attach pics.....my bad! > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100129 > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > > Good Afternoon, > > I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI G80. ? I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does anyone have an opinion on the pin bank? ?I am not getting it wet, but wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned? ?Maybe just a dry brush to take away the dust? ? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, the turntable will be another post!! ?:) ?Anyway, thanks in advance > > Jackie_______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From bpgbpg at comcast.net Fri Feb 5 10:54:33 2010 From: bpgbpg at comcast.net (Brad Grant) Date: Fri Feb 5 10:54:47 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: W 1250 plays record too fast Message-ID: <91CE6291-2F8A-4779-8F05-B9ADC6EE9CFE@comcast.net> Thanks all for the help. I see that in the parts catalog, thanks for pointing it out. I will take a look and try and figure why it's running too fast. Brad From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Feb 5 11:11:16 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Feb 5 11:12:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech In-Reply-To: <20100205183151.M98638@dwave.net> References: <5A12F961-75BE-47F6-AE8D-2DCB3AA161B9@verizon.net> <20100205183151.M98638@dwave.net> Message-ID: Jeremy, thanks so much, the pictures are great to look back on, I love your choice of paint color....very nice. I added some pics of the selection levers removed, to my link. My question, what did u use to clean them (alcohol? q-tip) and how did u remove them from the metal frame ? This is getting more and more involved, hope everything goes back in the right place! Jackie On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Jeremy Agema wrote: > Jackie, as far as cleaning the bank - it depends on how smoothly the levers operate now and how nice you want it to look/operate in the future. When I went through the 120E I completely disassembled the levers and cleaned up everything. > > See my album for some photos of this > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/AMI%20120%20E/ > > Jeremy Agema > > On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:40:22 -0500, Jackie Elgie wrote >> ok, Ron quit laughing....I forgot to attach pics.....my bad! >> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100129 >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >>> Good Afternoon, >>> I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI G80. I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does anyone have an opinion on the pin bank? I am not getting it wet, but wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned? Maybe just a dry brush to take away the dust? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, the turntable will be another post!! :) Anyway, thanks in advance >>> Jackie_______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Feb 5 13:40:18 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Feb 5 13:41:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg Envoy so far so good In-Reply-To: <80DD813A5F5744F8A4CFFB4988CC3A19@MarkPC> Message-ID: <386378.85762.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, mark bowman wrote: > ...the pick > up is the old moving magnet type which takes one play > gramophone needles! put a sacrificial record in it and had > to adjust the tone arm which was hanging off its pivot and > it now tracks fine, well as good as a 4oz tracking weight > and 1 play needle can muster... By this time, machines were using either tungsten-wire needles (like the Victor Tungs-Tone type) or occasionally sapphire styli mounted to needle shanks. The tungsten tipped ones were good for a couple hundred plays. I don't know if anyone makes these anymore or not. They obviously had to be changed several times a week, but that beat changing them with every record! Found a couple pictures here... http://www.flickr.com/photos/litlnemo/2667435416/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/litlnemo/2666611495/ From stamann at jukebox-world.de Fri Feb 5 13:59:25 2010 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Fri Feb 5 14:09:42 2010 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Cabinet Restoration Site Message-ID: Hello Karl, you remembered right - both it's a Wurlitzer 2000 which was restored plus it's an European site: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Wurlitzer/Wurlitzer2000.htm#Restaurierung In general you find this site through our jukebox archive at http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Archiv.html The camera icon leads to the pictures of a manufacturer and each samll picture to an extra site for eeach model. The information link leads to various tables with specifications we entered so far. The three ??? are FAQ - but mostly in German only. Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Karl Sherwin Gesendet: Freitag, 5. Februar 2010 18:19 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Cabinet Restoration Site Hi, Several months ago I happened upon a site that had detailed pictures of a restoration of a Wurlitzer, I thought it was a 1900, but could have been a 2000 or maybe a 2150/2200/2250? Many of the pictures and write-up concerned the stripping and refinishing of the cabinet, particularly how they maintained the woodgrain texture when they repainted it. I thought I saved the link, but can not find it. I thought it was a European site, but again not sure. I know this is a long shot, would anyone happen to have seen that site? Thanks, Karl _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Feb 5 15:09:40 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Feb 5 15:17:47 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech In-Reply-To: <5A12F961-75BE-47F6-AE8D-2DCB3AA161B9@verizon.net> Message-ID: <248227.95324.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, Believe me--I ain't laughing ! When it comes to computers I might as well speak "moonese", cause they just don't ever do what I want !!? ( I LOVE my old 1994 Mac V 6.1--it still does what I want it to when I tell it to--however the printer sometimes fights me---)Ron Rich --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 9:40 AM ok, Ron quit laughing....I forgot to attach pics.....my bad! http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100129 On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Good Afternoon, > I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI G80.? I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does anyone have an opinion on the pin bank?? I am not getting it wet, but wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned?? Maybe just a dry brush to take away the dust?? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, the turntable will be another post!!? :)? Anyway, thanks in advance > Jackie_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Feb 5 15:36:10 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Feb 5 15:37:22 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech In-Reply-To: <248227.95324.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <248227.95324.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, I wouldn't blame you if you did, seems like all I do is lightly touch the track pad and something crazy happens on this laptop! With the help of David off list and a zillion phone calls to Mel, I managed to remove everything from the Mech. Tray and give it a good cleaning. This has been a fun day and I posted all pics on the same link. I also was working on the W 2410.....the transfer switch is acting up again and needs to be replaced. This was never on freeplay and now all of a sudden the select light stays on. There is no coin stuck in the coin gear....any ideas? It blew the DC fuse last night and again today, but that was before I played around with the transfer switch blades. It seems to be ok now, just don't know why the Select is on, the coins are not registering as they drop through. Life would be so dull if these things ran smoothly all the time!! Jackie expecting 30-36" of snow by tomorrow night! On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jackie, > Believe me--I ain't laughing ! When it comes to computers I might as well speak "moonese", cause they just don't ever do what I want !! ( I LOVE my old 1994 Mac V 6.1--it still does what I want it to when I tell it to--however the printer sometimes fights me---)Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 9:40 AM > > ok, Ron quit laughing....I forgot to attach pics.....my bad! > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100129 > > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> Good Afternoon, >> I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI G80. I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does anyone have an opinion on the pin bank? I am not getting it wet, but wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned? Maybe just a dry brush to take away the dust? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, the turntable will be another post!! :) Anyway, thanks in advance >> Jackie_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 5 16:10:38 2010 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Fri Feb 5 16:11:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg Envoy so far so good References: <20100204.214229.29783.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <80DD813A5F5744F8A4CFFB4988CC3A19@MarkPC> Message-ID: <444C1CA85D7C42799B8D67399CEBF747@dirksen> I've got a W4-L56 wireless wallbox hooked up to my 148 Trashcan. There are 3 capacitors and two tubes you should replace inside. According to the service manuals, both the Envoy and Trashcan wireless equipment are aligned to the same 250 kc frequency, so your wallbox should work on the Envoy as long as the receiver is present. This will need a complete rebuild before it will receive pulses properly. The service manuals give clear instruction on how to tune everything, but you need a diode meter and frequency meter to do so. Seeburg built a special meter just for this, but it will be tough to find one (and mine is not for sale). I would highly recommend rebuilding the chassis - this wireless set-up is pretty cool. Amazing technology for the times. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark bowman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:31 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg Envoy so far so good > Got a 110V transformer and juiced up the envoy this afternoon, the > mechanism > works fine, the pick up is the old moving magnet type which takes one play > gramophone needles! put a sacrificial record in it and had to adjust the > tone arm which was hanging off its pivot and it now tracks fine, well as > good as a 4oz tracking weight and 1 play needle can muster, although on 50 > cycles its a bit slow at 65 RPM, any idea on how to re gear these > Seeburgs?! > > The selector has been hammerised (as named by Gerry Wells of UK vintage > wirless fame, where a Radio Ham would modify a perfectly good set out of > all > recognition) and has been put on continual selctor free play when pressing > a > buton the selected indicator wheel just chatters and wont turn, the amp > seems a little low on volume but i'll have a fiddle with things and see > where it gets me. Lastly the machine came with a W4L56 wireless wallbox, > as > I understand it this was launched later than the Envoy in 1946, it has 2 > valves and runs off 115Volts, other than that iv no information, I take it > this needs to be matched with a receiver in order to make remote > selections? > Any advice would be appreciated > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2668 - Release Date: 02/04/10 14:35:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Feb 5 16:31:11 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Feb 5 16:32:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <823701.65954.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, Which type of "pricing unit" is in that phono ? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:36 PM Ron, I wouldn't blame you if you did, seems like all I do is lightly touch the track pad and something crazy happens on this laptop!? With the help of David off list and a zillion phone calls to Mel, I managed to remove everything from the Mech. Tray and give it a good cleaning.? This has been a fun day and I posted all pics on the same link. I also was working on the W 2410.....the transfer switch is acting up again and needs to be replaced.? This was never on freeplay and now all of a sudden the select light stays on.? There is no coin stuck in the coin gear....any ideas?? It blew the DC fuse last night and again today, but that was before I played around with the transfer switch blades.? It seems to be ok now, just don't know why the Select is on, the coins are not registering as they drop through.? Life would be so dull if these things ran smoothly all the time!! Jackie expecting 30-36" of snow by tomorrow night! On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jackie, > Believe me--I ain't laughing ! When it comes to computers I might as well speak "moonese", cause they just don't ever do what I want !!? ( I LOVE my old 1994 Mac V 6.1--it still does what I want it to when I tell it to--however the printer sometimes fights me---)Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 9:40 AM > > ok, Ron quit laughing....I forgot to attach pics.....my bad! > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100129 > > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> Good Afternoon, >> I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI G80.? I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does anyone have an opinion on the pin bank?? I am not getting it wet, but wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned?? Maybe just a dry brush to take away the dust?? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, the turntable will be another post!!? :)? Anyway, thanks in advance >> Jackie_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Feb 5 16:40:11 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Feb 5 16:41:22 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech In-Reply-To: <823701.65954.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <823701.65954.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, I have the Playrak Unit J On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jackie, > Which type of "pricing unit" is in that phono ? > Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:36 PM > > Ron, > I wouldn't blame you if you did, seems like all I do is lightly touch the track pad and something crazy happens on this laptop! With the help of David off list and a zillion phone calls to Mel, I managed to remove everything from the Mech. Tray and give it a good cleaning. This has been a fun day and I posted all pics on the same link. > > I also was working on the W 2410.....the transfer switch is acting up again and needs to be replaced. This was never on freeplay and now all of a sudden the select light stays on. There is no coin stuck in the coin gear....any ideas? It blew the DC fuse last night and again today, but that was before I played around with the transfer switch blades. It seems to be ok now, just don't know why the Select is on, the coins are not registering as they drop through. Life would be so dull if these things ran smoothly all the time!! > Jackie > expecting 30-36" of snow by tomorrow night! > > > > > > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Jackie, >> Believe me--I ain't laughing ! When it comes to computers I might as well speak "moonese", cause they just don't ever do what I want !! ( I LOVE my old 1994 Mac V 6.1--it still does what I want it to when I tell it to--however the printer sometimes fights me---)Ron Rich >> >> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >> From: Jackie Elgie >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 9:40 AM >> >> ok, Ron quit laughing....I forgot to attach pics.....my bad! >> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100129 >> >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >>> Good Afternoon, >>> I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI G80. I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does anyone have an opinion on the pin bank? I am not getting it wet, but wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned? Maybe just a dry brush to take away the dust? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, the turntable will be another post!! :) Anyway, thanks in advance >>> Jackie_______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From carbide2chips at yahoo.com Fri Feb 5 16:51:55 2010 From: carbide2chips at yahoo.com (Scott Sukopp) Date: Fri Feb 5 16:52:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <937968.29709.qm@web110004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, Unplug the input plug from the coin mech, and the output plug on the credit unit. There is a slide-lock holding the CU on a bracket - slide it to unlock. Remove the CU and slide the cover up off from the top. You will see a large toothed gear with a spring attached. The solenoid will retract one credit per "click". If I guess right, the larger spring is missing, or unhooked, not allowing the gear to hit the stop switch. Might just be dirty. Check it out. Scott --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 6:40 PM Hi Ron, I have the Playrak Unit J On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jackie, > Which type of "pricing unit" is in that phono ? > Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:36 PM > > Ron, > I wouldn't blame you if you did, seems like all I do is lightly touch the track pad and something crazy happens on this laptop!? With the help of David off list and a zillion phone calls to Mel, I managed to remove everything from the Mech. Tray and give it a good cleaning.? This has been a fun day and I posted all pics on the same link. > > I also was working on the W 2410.....the transfer switch is acting up again and needs to be replaced.? This was never on freeplay and now all of a sudden the select light stays on.? There is no coin stuck in the coin gear....any ideas?? It blew the DC fuse last night and again today, but that was before I played around with the transfer switch blades.? It seems to be ok now, just don't know why the Select is on, the coins are not registering as they drop through.? Life would be so dull if these things ran smoothly all the time!! > Jackie > expecting 30-36" of snow by tomorrow night! > > > > > > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Jackie, >> Believe me--I ain't laughing ! When it comes to computers I might as well speak "moonese", cause they just don't ever do what I want !!? ( I LOVE my old 1994 Mac V 6.1--it still does what I want it to when I tell it to--however the printer sometimes fights me---)Ron Rich >> >> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >> From: Jackie Elgie >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 9:40 AM >> >> ok, Ron quit laughing....I forgot to attach pics.....my bad! >> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100129 >> >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >>> Good Afternoon, >>> I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI G80.? I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does anyone have an opinion on the pin bank?? I am not getting it wet, but wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned?? Maybe just a dry brush to take away the dust?? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, the turntable will be another post!!? :)? Anyway, thanks in advance >>> Jackie_______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Feb 5 16:56:37 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Feb 5 16:57:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <915215.4601.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, Have someone make a selection while you watch the playrak--see if the "cancel coil" is energizing and moving the "credit wheel"----? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:40 PM Hi Ron, I have the Playrak Unit J On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jackie, > Which type of "pricing unit" is in that phono ? > Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:36 PM > > Ron, > I wouldn't blame you if you did, seems like all I do is lightly touch the track pad and something crazy happens on this laptop!? With the help of David off list and a zillion phone calls to Mel, I managed to remove everything from the Mech. Tray and give it a good cleaning.? This has been a fun day and I posted all pics on the same link. > > I also was working on the W 2410.....the transfer switch is acting up again and needs to be replaced.? This was never on freeplay and now all of a sudden the select light stays on.? There is no coin stuck in the coin gear....any ideas?? It blew the DC fuse last night and again today, but that was before I played around with the transfer switch blades.? It seems to be ok now, just don't know why the Select is on, the coins are not registering as they drop through.? Life would be so dull if these things ran smoothly all the time!! > Jackie > expecting 30-36" of snow by tomorrow night! > > > > > > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Jackie, >> Believe me--I ain't laughing ! When it comes to computers I might as well speak "moonese", cause they just don't ever do what I want !!? ( I LOVE my old 1994 Mac V 6.1--it still does what I want it to when I tell it to--however the printer sometimes fights me---)Ron Rich >> >> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >> From: Jackie Elgie >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 9:40 AM >> >> ok, Ron quit laughing....I forgot to attach pics.....my bad! >> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100129 >> >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >>> Good Afternoon, >>> I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI G80.? I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does anyone have an opinion on the pin bank?? I am not getting it wet, but wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned?? Maybe just a dry brush to take away the dust?? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, the turntable will be another post!!? :)? Anyway, thanks in advance >>> Jackie_______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com Fri Feb 5 17:13:48 2010 From: mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com (mark bowman) Date: Fri Feb 5 17:14:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg Envoy so far so good In-Reply-To: <256004.17397.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <256004.17397.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E6FB5E473AB4953AB0367CE1C8916C4@MarkPC> > Mark, > Sorry, I can't help you--a little before "my time"--however I LOVE the > word "Hammerised" ! I think that I will make it my mission for the rest of > my life to introduce that word into general usage !--I won't print here > what we call that here--well, OK --"Rube Goldburg'ed", when we are being > "polite", and/or "PC"--- Ron Rich > Thanks Ron I looked at the web site and it seems the Rube Goldburg prize and hammerisation have some common threads, Firstly the item has to messed up/ modified in such a manner that it takes more than one mod or stage in order to reach the desired result. This has shown itself in hammerised terms where many toggle switches are installed on a cabinet, usually it follows the rule that the more the exotic woods used the more holes are drilled in order to install switches which are then left un connected. Secondly the original function of the unit is totally disabled by removing key components, again the rule follows, that the rarer the component the more likely it has been removed or destroyed or modified beyond re use. Lastly the mod also needs to acheive a loss of function over all where if the radio had been left alone it would for fill it's new roll as what ever it's been turned into by a simple bypassing a few stages in the circuits, instead of ripping it to peices then vainly trying to re assemble it to have some sort of function! Cheeres & Tears Mark From mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com Fri Feb 5 17:17:54 2010 From: mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com (mark bowman) Date: Fri Feb 5 17:18:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg Envoy so far so good In-Reply-To: <386378.85762.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <386378.85762.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > By this time, machines were using either tungsten-wire > needles (like the Victor Tungs-Tone type) or occasionally > sapphire styli mounted to needle shanks. The tungsten > tipped ones were good for a couple hundred plays. I > don't know if anyone makes these anymore or not. They > obviously had to be changed several times a week, but that > beat changing them with every record! > > Found a couple pictures here... > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/litlnemo/2667435416/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/litlnemo/2666611495/ > > Thanks David, the sapphire needles seem the most attractive, I would guess > they are less likely to murder the records, thanks for posting the > pictures. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From steve.lane at dishmail.net Fri Feb 5 21:16:04 2010 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Fri Feb 5 21:23:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement Speakers? Message-ID: <61088cf91002052116n7d3f3868s828094629e52d242@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have a 3500 Zodiac Wurlitzer that sounds like one of the speakers has failed. One of the top speakers barely makes any noise. When I swap the inputs in the chassis, the problem stays with that speaker. Does anyone have any suggestions for speaker replacements for this model? Thanks Steve From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Feb 6 05:15:55 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Feb 6 05:19:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement Speakers? Message-ID: <20100206.081555.22482.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Steve: Before you buy or replace any speakers, the next test I'd run would be to reverse the Ch 1 and 2 speaker leads. This will verify whether or not you have a speaker problem or an amp--electronics problem. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=rRhC8kbwCuu_LKDbOGRVJAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Feb 6 06:28:11 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Feb 6 06:31:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC Cartridge for 78s?? Message-ID: <20100206.092811.22482.2@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Yes there are 3 mil replacement stylii available for the Stanton 500, Stanton 400V3 and Pickering NP AC cartridges. All of these models find use at places that archive phonograph records (i.e. museums, libraries, etc) and the need is there to play all record speeds. Without checking, I believe there is a 78 RPM stylus available for the Shure M44 cartridge as well. Helpful hints: The Stanton 500 78 RPM stylus is Stanton part number 5127 and is intended to fit the older 500 cartridges that have the gold color cartridge body. The 500 stylii will physically fit the Pickering NP/AC cartridge body and will operate electrically with the NP/AC. I believe this stylus is the part number offred with Henry Engineering;s super sound kit for 78 RPM Wurlitzer jukes. The Pickering NP/AC is officially discontinued but there is still lots of N.O.S. in the pipeline to sell. Don't know the part number but here was a 78 stylus available. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=C8e_qzBLkrOIP77Adv7kTwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat Feb 6 08:18:29 2010 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Sat Feb 6 08:19:37 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC Cartridge for 78s?? References: <20100206.092811.22482.2@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Jim - I've removed the original magnetic cartridge on many 40's Wurlitzers and installed the Astatic 51, modifying the volume control circuit at the same time. I've never tried the Stanton cart nor the supersound kit (it's pricey). I wonder - could I install the Stanton cart and leave the original volume control circuitry alone (rebuilt of course) or would I still need to modify the circuit? Have you done this before? Thanks, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC Cartridge for 78s?? Gentlemen: Yes there are 3 mil replacement stylii available for the Stanton 500, Stanton 400V3 and Pickering NP AC cartridges. All of these models find use at places that archive phonograph records (i.e. museums, libraries, etc) and the need is there to play all record speeds. Without checking, I believe there is a 78 RPM stylus available for the Shure M44 cartridge as well. Helpful hints: The Stanton 500 78 RPM stylus is Stanton part number 5127 and is intended to fit the older 500 cartridges that have the gold color cartridge body. The 500 stylii will physically fit the Pickering NP/AC cartridge body and will operate electrically with the NP/AC. I believe this stylus is the part number offred with Henry Engineering;s super sound kit for 78 RPM Wurlitzer jukes. The Pickering NP/AC is officially discontinued but there is still lots of N.O.S. in the pipeline to sell. Don't know the part number but here was a 78 stylus available. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=C8e_qzBLkrOIP77Adv7kTwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2671 - Release Date: 02/06/10 02:35:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Feb 6 09:59:49 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Feb 6 10:00:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement Speakers? In-Reply-To: <20100206.081555.22482.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <337235.27954.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Steve, If after doing as Jim suggests--try swapping speaker leads right at the speaker. If there is a cap in the circuit, it also might be the cause of your problem. If you determine that it is, in fact your speaker, I would suggest it be re-coned, rather than replaced.? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 2/6/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Replacement Speakers? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 5:15 AM Steve: Before you buy or replace any speakers, the next test I'd run would be to reverse the Ch 1 and 2 speaker leads. This will verify whether or not you have a speaker problem or an amp--electronics problem. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=rRhC8kbwCuu_LKDbOGRVJAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Feb 6 10:35:31 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Feb 6 10:38:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NP/AC Cartridge for 78s?? Message-ID: <20100206.133531.8294.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hello, Jim: It is my understanding that the original Wurlitzer "horseshoe" magnetic cartridges were very high output and produced signal levels comparable to a crystal/ceramic cartridge, on the order of .25 to .5 volt. I believe the cartridge signal was connected through the volume control box on these early amps. This probably explains why most of the cartridge modernizing kits for Simplex Wurlitzers contain a cartridge like an Astatic 51. Most of the electronic mods in these kits were to present the ceramic cartridge with a high input impedance load. It will tend to sound thin and tinny if you don't do that. I'm at little disadvantage because I've never worked with any of these old magnetic units. The oldest unit I've worked on to date are Wurly 1100's. The Stanton 500 is a modern moving-magnet stereo cartridge that needs to be loaded with a 47K ohm input impedance,RIAA equalization, and sufficient preamplification to work with the typical output of 50 millivolts. This cartridge's signal level is comparable to the Shure M44, Pickering NP/AC, any of the Seeburg stereo cartridges, the GE VR-II or RPX mono cartridges, if that helps answer your question. If you wanted to use a Stanton 500 in a 40's Wurly, I would imagine you can make it work by using a mag phono in line preamp, whose output normally plugs into an "aux. level" input jack. The Stanton 500 cart by itself isn't too expensive--should be between $27 to $40. It probably costs about $20 for the additional 78 RPM stylus. You can generally find a phono preamp at Parts Express or MCM Electronics for about $20. The Stanton cartridge playing 78's, is designed to be uised with a component turntable like a Technics SL1200, tracking at about 4 to 6 grams. Maybe Henry Engrg (the Supersound kit vendor) modified the stylus assembly in order to handle the punishment it would get from the heavyweight lollipop and bearclaw tone arms. As I understand it, the Supersound kit, came with an solid state electronics module that was lot more than a basic preamp. It had some response-shaping networks (to boost bass and treble frequencies) and an AVC function. Between all the above, it does add a lot t o the sound character of a 30's-40's Simplex Wurly. Hope I've addressed your question sufficiently, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=zu7_4nhMcszRswcNW4LDAgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.com Sat Feb 6 12:30:37 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.com (James Alexander) Date: Sat Feb 6 12:32:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality Message-ID: <20100206.153037.7413.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Seeburg AY sound versus early 60's Wurlitzer 2500-2600? The Seeburg Q--AY--DS generation of machines had that "AM radio" sound character that was somewhat boomy and boxy. Not much to be heard about 5 or 6 KHz. Adding ear speakers on a DS model helped out a lot. If you were to check out the audio of your AY (connect a pair of trusted stereo bookshelf spkrs to the amp output, disconnect the cabinet spkrs) You may be suprised as to how accurate it sounds. The pickup cartridge, stylii,amp etc probably have a reasonably good HF response. Wurlitzer had their sound systems well-tweaked in the models of this era. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=FwcR_p7tQDawX3A_F5LQMQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Feb 6 12:49:53 2010 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Feb 6 12:52:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] No thanks. References: <151AF839-77D5-47D6-B971-E6157213E9DC@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D3BE7E365DB485391C40C4F878633B8@dennis1cb9fd78> Good God! What were they thinking ! Just when you thought you have seen everything... Dennis Jukeboxdenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hayes" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:56 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] No thanks. > http://kansascity.craigslist.org/atq/1583172675.html > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2666 - Release Date: 02/03/10 13:35:00 From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Feb 6 12:56:52 2010 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Feb 6 12:56:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: W 1250 plays record too fast References: <91CE6291-2F8A-4779-8F05-B9ADC6EE9CFE@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8C3785A9DAAE4766806EEC79F2051EFC@dennis1cb9fd78> HI- I also have a 1250, and if memory serves me right, that idler looks almost like one in one of my little RCA 45 players. It might be possible someone changed it out at sometime and had one that looked like the correct one but was a tiny bit different in diamiter ? Just a thought.. Dennis ~ Jukeboxdenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Grant" To: Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:54 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: W 1250 plays record too fast > Thanks all for the help. I see that in the parts catalog, thanks for > pointing it out. I will take a look and try and figure why it's > running too fast. > > Brad > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2669 - Release Date: 02/05/10 01:35:00 From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Feb 6 13:08:25 2010 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Feb 6 13:24:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] more jukes followed me home Message-ID: <93A8D35B275F406098F06987ED0A5898@dennis1cb9fd78> HI- been off the list for a little while, just thought I would mention that I added some more jukes to the flock. I bought 2 more Pioneer CJ V55 Laser jukes(for parts) and the latest one is a Regatta V.I.P cd juke. I know there kinda odball jukes, but then there like me I guess. LOL !! The best one out of the bunch is a fully functional Seeburg Matador SPS2. The prev owner must have changed the speaker wiring as it was not very loud at all and seemed "muddy". I found one of the wires disconected on the crossover for the 2 horns, and the main speakers were connected to the 4 watt term screws instead of the 50watt per channel connections. I connected them back to the 50 w settings and it jumps now. Very happy with it. I have to trace out the record playing panel as 2 of the lamps dont light up when it scans the numbers/letters, but thats about all that I can find wrong with it. it's goning to be another "keeper". Also drug home a Video game, called Black Tiger, and a counter top gambling game, a Megatouch 4. Lots of fun so far with that one. I made the mistake of putting it in the shop and cant seem to walk by it without playing a few rounds on it. Dennis ~ Jukeboxdenny From m.desimone at rogers.com Sat Feb 6 14:34:06 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Sat Feb 6 14:35:10 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 Message-ID: <438345.74541.qm@web88106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I need to repaint an SB 100. I'm repairing it to give to an elder lady who is a music lover and can't operate her phono/stereo equipment any longer. Her son and daughter feel if she just pushes the buttons she can still listen to her music. If my memory serves me correctly I believe the metal white portions were painted with epoxy paint and I was contemplating using an appliance epoxy paint on this area. The black wood portion will probably be fine with any type of paint. It's the white that concerns me as I don't want it flaking off after a week or so. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Mauro From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Feb 6 18:53:35 2010 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Feb 6 18:57:17 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement Speakers? References: <20100206.081555.22482.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: almost forgot, I did save the old speakers, I may have them reconed at some point. I think the sealed backs help the "stereo" seperation sound better. My replacements were open back frames. Dennis ~ Jukeboxdenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Replacement Speakers? > > > Steve: > > Before you buy or replace any speakers, the next test I'd run would be to > reverse the Ch 1 and 2 speaker leads. This will verify whether or not you > have a speaker problem or an amp--electronics problem. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Nutrition > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=rRhC8kbwCuu_LKDbOGRVJAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2670 - Release Date: 02/05/10 13:35:00 From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Feb 6 18:51:21 2010 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Feb 6 19:00:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement Speakers? References: <61088cf91002052116n7d3f3868s828094629e52d242@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I Steve, My 3600 had bad upper speakers also. One was completly dead, and the other was real weak. I first made sure the wiring was correct to the 2 speakers from the amp as a previous owner had wired both sets of speakers to one channel ( as the amp was DOE on one channel) so after repairing the amp and re connecting everything as it should be, the 2 upper speakers were still N.G. I ended up replacing them with 2 new units( dont remember the brand off hand) and 2 new caps and now it sounds good. Are your speakers a sealed unit , in the back of the basket frame ? Dennis ~ Jukeboxdenny . ----- Original Message ----- From: "STEVE LANE" To: Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:16 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement Speakers? > Hi, I have a 3500 Zodiac Wurlitzer that sounds like one of the speakers > has > failed. One of the top speakers barely makes any noise. When I swap the > inputs in the chassis, the problem stays with that speaker. Does anyone > have > any suggestions for speaker replacements for this model? Thanks > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2670 - Release Date: 02/05/10 13:35:00 From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Feb 6 16:02:30 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sat Feb 6 19:04:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2410 coin gear In-Reply-To: <937968.29709.qm@web110004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <937968.29709.qm@web110004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks so much Scott and Ron for your suggestions, the spring is there and when you put a quarter in, the wheel does NOT move. Jackie On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Scott Sukopp wrote: > Jackie, > Unplug the input plug from the coin mech, and the output plug on the credit unit. There is a slide-lock holding the CU on a bracket - slide it to unlock. Remove the CU and slide the cover up off from the top. You will see a large toothed gear with a spring attached. The solenoid will retract one credit per "click". If I guess right, the larger spring is missing, or unhooked, not allowing the gear to hit the stop switch. Might just be dirty. Check it out. > Scott > > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 6:40 PM > > Hi Ron, > I have the Playrak Unit > J > > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Jackie, >> Which type of "pricing unit" is in that phono ? >> Ron Rich >> >> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >> From: Jackie Elgie >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:36 PM >> >> Ron, >> I wouldn't blame you if you did, seems like all I do is lightly touch the track pad and something crazy happens on this laptop! With the help of David off list and a zillion phone calls to Mel, I managed to remove everything from the Mech. Tray and give it a good cleaning. This has been a fun day and I posted all pics on the same link. >> >> I also was working on the W 2410.....the transfer switch is acting up again and needs to be replaced. This was never on freeplay and now all of a sudden the select light stays on. There is no coin stuck in the coin gear....any ideas? It blew the DC fuse last night and again today, but that was before I played around with the transfer switch blades. It seems to be ok now, just don't know why the Select is on, the coins are not registering as they drop through. Life would be so dull if these things ran smoothly all the time!! >> Jackie >> expecting 30-36" of snow by tomorrow night! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Ron Rich wrote: >> >>> Jackie, >>> Believe me--I ain't laughing ! When it comes to computers I might as well speak "moonese", cause they just don't ever do what I want !! ( I LOVE my old 1994 Mac V 6.1--it still does what I want it to when I tell it to--however the printer sometimes fights me---)Ron Rich >>> >>> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >>> >>> From: Jackie Elgie >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 9:40 AM >>> >>> ok, Ron quit laughing....I forgot to attach pics.....my bad! >>> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100129 >>> >>> >>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: >>> >>>> Good Afternoon, >>>> I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI G80. I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does anyone have an opinion on the pin bank? I am not getting it wet, but wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned? Maybe just a dry brush to take away the dust? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, the turntable will be another post!! :) Anyway, thanks in advance >>>> Jackie_______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jeremy at dwave.net Sat Feb 6 15:50:08 2010 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sat Feb 6 19:12:28 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] more jukes followed me home In-Reply-To: <93A8D35B275F406098F06987ED0A5898@dennis1cb9fd78> References: <93A8D35B275F406098F06987ED0A5898@dennis1cb9fd78> Message-ID: <20100206234942.M44038@dwave.net> Sounds like you got some nice ones! Jeremy Agema On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 15:08:25 -0600, Dennis and Sue wrote > HI- been off the list for a little while, just thought I would mention that I added some more jukes to the flock. > > I bought 2 more Pioneer ?CJ V55 Laser jukes(for parts) and the latest one is a Regatta V.I.P ?cd juke. ?I know there kinda odball jukes, but then there like me I guess. LOL !! > > The best one out of the bunch is a fully functional Seeburg Matador SPS2. ? The prev ?owner must have changed the speaker wiring as it was not very loud at all and seemed "muddy". ?I found one of the wires disconected on the crossover for the 2 horns, and the main speakers were connected to the 4 watt term screws instead of the 50watt per channel connections. I connected them back to the 50 w ?settings and it jumps now. Very happy with it. ?I have to trace out the record playing panel as 2 of the lamps dont light up when it scans the numbers/letters, ?but thats about all that I can find wrong with it. ? ? it's goning to be another "keeper". > > Also drug home a Video game, called Black Tiger, ? and a counter top gambling game, a Megatouch 4. > Lots of fun so far with that one. I made the mistake of putting it in the shop and cant seem to walk by it without playing a few rounds on it. > > Dennis ~ Jukeboxdenny > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Sat Feb 6 20:08:05 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Feb 6 20:09:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement Speakers? In-Reply-To: References: <20100206.081555.22482.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4B6E3CA5.9060905@west.net> Dennis and Sue wrote: > almost forgot, I did save the old speakers, I may have them reconed at > some point. I think the sealed backs help the "stereo" seperation sound > better. My replacements were open back frames. Sealed backs are normally seen in higher frequency drivers (tweeters). This requires a relatively high frequency crossover and the existence of other speakers to handle the bass and midrange. Open-back smaller speakers are normally intended as "full-range" speakers for things like table radios, intercoms, and the like. Their sound characteristics will be different. It's really more of a problem going the other way should you replace a full-range speaker with a sealed-back unit. There is too much air compression between the back of the cone and the sealed frame to allow good reproduction of medium and low frequencies. If you kept the original value of capacitor and other crossover parts in place you'll probably be OK. They'll likely sound different than the originals. Whether different-better or different-worse depends on a lot of factors including the speakers and their enclosures, the acoustics of the room and the perception of the listener. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Feb 6 20:12:13 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Feb 6 20:13:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 In-Reply-To: <438345.74541.qm@web88106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <767713.46696.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mauro, I seem to remember that it was a very bright white--but I doubt it was epoxy--Seeburg was too cheap to send the money on that small a production phono--? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:34 PM I need to repaint an SB 100. I'm repairing it to give to an elder lady who is a music lover and can't operate her phono/stereo equipment any longer. Her son and daughter feel if she just pushes the buttons she can still listen to her music. If my memory serves me correctly I believe the metal white portions were painted with epoxy paint and I was contemplating using an appliance epoxy paint on this area. The black wood portion will probably be fine with any type of paint. It's the white that concerns me as I don't want it flaking off after a week or so. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Mauro _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Feb 6 20:13:43 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Feb 6 20:14:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2410 coin gear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <252177.25487.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> OK--Does the (sub) coil energize ?? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] W 2410 coin gear To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 4:02 PM Thanks so much Scott and Ron for your suggestions, the spring is there and when you put a quarter in, the wheel does NOT move.? Jackie On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Scott Sukopp wrote: > Jackie, > Unplug the input plug from the coin mech, and the output plug on the credit unit. There is a slide-lock holding the CU on a bracket - slide it to unlock. Remove the CU and slide the cover up off from the top. You will see a large toothed gear with a spring attached. The solenoid will retract one credit per "click". If I guess right, the larger spring is missing, or unhooked, not allowing the gear to hit the stop switch. Might just be dirty. Check it out. > Scott > > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 6:40 PM > > Hi Ron, > I have the Playrak Unit > J > > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Jackie, >> Which type of "pricing unit" is in that phono ? >> Ron Rich >> >> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >> From: Jackie Elgie >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:36 PM >> >> Ron, >> I wouldn't blame you if you did, seems like all I do is lightly touch the track pad and something crazy happens on this laptop!? With the help of David off list and a zillion phone calls to Mel, I managed to remove everything from the Mech. Tray and give it a good cleaning.? This has been a fun day and I posted all pics on the same link. >> >> I also was working on the W 2410.....the transfer switch is acting up again and needs to be replaced.? This was never on freeplay and now all of a sudden the select light stays on.? There is no coin stuck in the coin gear....any ideas?? It blew the DC fuse last night and again today, but that was before I played around with the transfer switch blades.? It seems to be ok now, just don't know why the Select is on, the coins are not registering as they drop through.? Life would be so dull if these things ran smoothly all the time!! >> Jackie >> expecting 30-36" of snow by tomorrow night! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Ron Rich wrote: >> >>> Jackie, >>> Believe me--I ain't laughing ! When it comes to computers I might as well speak "moonese", cause they just don't ever do what I want !!? ( I LOVE my old 1994 Mac V 6.1--it still does what I want it to when I tell it to--however the printer sometimes fights me---)Ron Rich >>> >>> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >>> >>> From: Jackie Elgie >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 9:40 AM >>> >>> ok, Ron quit laughing....I forgot to attach pics.....my bad! >>> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100129 >>> >>> >>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: >>> >>>> Good Afternoon, >>>> I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI G80.? I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does anyone have an opinion on the pin bank?? I am not getting it wet, but wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned?? Maybe just a dry brush to take away the dust?? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, the turntable will be another post!!? :)? Anyway, thanks in advance >>>> Jackie_______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Feb 6 16:30:57 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Feb 6 20:32:10 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: W 1250 plays record too fast In-Reply-To: <8C3785A9DAAE4766806EEC79F2051EFC@dennis1cb9fd78> Message-ID: <184655.41458.qm@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Dennis and Sue wrote: > HI- I also have a 1250, and if memory > serves me right, that idler looks almost like one in one of > my little RCA 45 players. It might be possible someone > changed it out at sometime and had one that looked like the > correct one but was a tiny bit different in diamiter ? Remember that the diameter of the idler has no effect on the speed of the turntable. The linear surface velocity of the tire will be the same no matter what its diameter. From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Feb 7 07:10:06 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sun Feb 7 07:11:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2410 coin gear In-Reply-To: <252177.25487.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <252177.25487.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0437F368-334D-4615-A134-B00EEDCDCE16@verizon.net> Ron, I looked in the manual, I am sure I am missing something, there are 2 solenoids in the playrack when you drop down the door, one up front and one to the left and back, when I put a quarter in, the one up front should latch and ratchet the wheel? is that correct? If that is the case, nothing is happening there. The coins just drop through to the coin box. Jackie On Feb 6, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > OK--Does the (sub) coil energize ? Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] W 2410 coin gear > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 4:02 PM > > Thanks so much Scott and Ron for your suggestions, the spring is there and when you put a quarter in, the wheel does NOT move. > Jackie > > > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Scott Sukopp wrote: > >> Jackie, >> Unplug the input plug from the coin mech, and the output plug on the credit unit. There is a slide-lock holding the CU on a bracket - slide it to unlock. Remove the CU and slide the cover up off from the top. You will see a large toothed gear with a spring attached. The solenoid will retract one credit per "click". If I guess right, the larger spring is missing, or unhooked, not allowing the gear to hit the stop switch. Might just be dirty. Check it out. >> Scott >> >> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >> From: Jackie Elgie >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 6:40 PM >> >> Hi Ron, >> I have the Playrak Unit >> J >> >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: >> >>> Jackie, >>> Which type of "pricing unit" is in that phono ? >>> Ron Rich >>> >>> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >>> >>> From: Jackie Elgie >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:36 PM >>> >>> Ron, >>> I wouldn't blame you if you did, seems like all I do is lightly touch the track pad and something crazy happens on this laptop! With the help of David off list and a zillion phone calls to Mel, I managed to remove everything from the Mech. Tray and give it a good cleaning. This has been a fun day and I posted all pics on the same link. >>> >>> I also was working on the W 2410.....the transfer switch is acting up again and needs to be replaced. This was never on freeplay and now all of a sudden the select light stays on. There is no coin stuck in the coin gear....any ideas? It blew the DC fuse last night and again today, but that was before I played around with the transfer switch blades. It seems to be ok now, just don't know why the Select is on, the coins are not registering as they drop through. Life would be so dull if these things ran smoothly all the time!! >>> Jackie >>> expecting 30-36" of snow by tomorrow night! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Ron Rich wrote: >>> >>>> Jackie, >>>> Believe me--I ain't laughing ! When it comes to computers I might as well speak "moonese", cause they just don't ever do what I want !! ( I LOVE my old 1994 Mac V 6.1--it still does what I want it to when I tell it to--however the printer sometimes fights me---)Ron Rich >>>> >>>> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Jackie Elgie >>>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech >>>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>>> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 9:40 AM >>>> >>>> ok, Ron quit laughing....I forgot to attach pics.....my bad! >>>> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100129 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good Afternoon, >>>>> I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI G80. I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does anyone have an opinion on the pin bank? I am not getting it wet, but wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned? Maybe just a dry brush to take away the dust? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, the turntable will be another post!! :) Anyway, thanks in advance >>>>> Jackie_______________________________________________ >>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Feb 7 07:55:13 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sun Feb 7 07:56:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] more jukes followed me home In-Reply-To: <93A8D35B275F406098F06987ED0A5898@dennis1cb9fd78> References: <93A8D35B275F406098F06987ED0A5898@dennis1cb9fd78> Message-ID: <34970F84-5A64-42EB-8BC4-34037D1554C3@verizon.net> Dennis, what a fun shop you must have!!!! I know I would have fun with a video game...don't even get me started!!!! lol Jackie On Feb 6, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Dennis and Sue wrote: > HI- been off the list for a little while, just thought I would mention that I added some more jukes to the flock. > > I bought 2 more Pioneer CJ V55 Laser jukes(for parts) and the latest one is a Regatta V.I.P cd juke. I know there kinda odball jukes, but then there like me I guess. LOL !! > > The best one out of the bunch is a fully functional Seeburg Matador SPS2. The prev owner must have changed the speaker wiring as it was not very loud at all and seemed "muddy". I found one of the wires disconected on the crossover for the 2 horns, and the main speakers were connected to the 4 watt term screws instead of the 50watt per channel connections. I connected them back to the 50 w settings and it jumps now. Very happy with it. I have to trace out the record playing panel as 2 of the lamps dont light up when it scans the numbers/letters, but thats about all that I can find wrong with it. it's goning to be another "keeper". > > Also drug home a Video game, called Black Tiger, and a counter top gambling game, a Megatouch 4. > Lots of fun so far with that one. I made the mistake of putting it in the shop and cant seem to walk by it without playing a few rounds on it. > > > Dennis ~ Jukeboxdenny > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From cew142 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 7 08:01:28 2010 From: cew142 at yahoo.com (Jay) Date: Sun Feb 7 08:02:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality In-Reply-To: <20100206.153037.7413.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <962858.10343.qm@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the information. With that I am better understanding how these sounded when new. The modern speaker trick sounds like something I will try. However.... The only thing that I am not certain of is the connection of the speakers to the amp. Which terminals should I be connected to? As an electrical engineer, I understand the whole purpose of the different terminals. They are for impedance matching the output tubes to a permenant magnet speakers. However, I am not sure which terminals are for which speaker resistance. Having speakers not matched correctly with the output tubes, this will impact sound as well. Any ideas? --- On Sat, 2/6/10, James Alexander wrote: > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 3:30 PM > > > Gentlemen: > > Seeburg AY sound? versus early 60's Wurlitzer > 2500-2600?? ??? > > The Seeburg Q--AY--DS generation of machines had that "AM > radio" sound character that was somewhat boomy and boxy. Not > much to be heard about 5 or 6 KHz.? ? Adding ear > speakers on a DS model helped out a lot. > > If you were to check out the audio of your AY (connect a > pair of trusted stereo bookshelf spkrs to the amp output, > disconnect the cabinet spkrs)? ? > ???You may be suprised as to how accurate it > sounds.? ? The pickup cartridge, stylii,amp etc > probably have a reasonably good HF > response.??? > > Wurlitzer had their sound systems well-tweaked in the > models of this era. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Nutrition > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=FwcR_p7tQDawX3A_F5LQMQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Feb 7 08:42:40 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Feb 7 08:43:47 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2410 coin gear In-Reply-To: <0437F368-334D-4615-A134-B00EEDCDCE16@verizon.net> Message-ID: <571662.39815.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Jackie-- I don't have a 2400 book--but I have a 2300, which should be the same-- What are you refering to when you say "two solenoids" ? Look at the "playrak components" photo-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] W 2410 coin gear To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 7:10 AM Ron, I looked in the manual, I am sure I am missing something, there are 2 solenoids in the playrack when you drop down the door, one up front and one to the left and back, when I put a quarter in, the one up front should latch and ratchet? the wheel?? is that correct?? If that is the case, nothing is happening there.? The coins just drop through to the coin box. Jackie On Feb 6, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > OK--Does the (sub) coil energize ?? Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] W 2410 coin gear > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 4:02 PM > > Thanks so much Scott and Ron for your suggestions, the spring is there and when you put a quarter in, the wheel does NOT move.? > Jackie > > > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Scott Sukopp wrote: > >> Jackie, >> Unplug the input plug from the coin mech, and the output plug on the credit unit. There is a slide-lock holding the CU on a bracket - slide it to unlock. Remove the CU and slide the cover up off from the top. You will see a large toothed gear with a spring attached. The solenoid will retract one credit per "click". If I guess right, the larger spring is missing, or unhooked, not allowing the gear to hit the stop switch. Might just be dirty. Check it out. >> Scott >> >> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >> From: Jackie Elgie >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 6:40 PM >> >> Hi Ron, >> I have the Playrak Unit >> J >> >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: >> >>> Jackie, >>> Which type of "pricing unit" is in that phono ? >>> Ron Rich >>> >>> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >>> >>> From: Jackie Elgie >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:36 PM >>> >>> Ron, >>> I wouldn't blame you if you did, seems like all I do is lightly touch the track pad and something crazy happens on this laptop!? With the help of David off list and a zillion phone calls to Mel, I managed to remove everything from the Mech. Tray and give it a good cleaning.? This has been a fun day and I posted all pics on the same link. >>> >>> I also was working on the W 2410.....the transfer switch is acting up again and needs to be replaced.? This was never on freeplay and now all of a sudden the select light stays on.? There is no coin stuck in the coin gear....any ideas?? It blew the DC fuse last night and again today, but that was before I played around with the transfer switch blades.? It seems to be ok now, just don't know why the Select is on, the coins are not registering as they drop through.? Life would be so dull if these things ran smoothly all the time!! >>> Jackie >>> expecting 30-36" of snow by tomorrow night! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Ron Rich wrote: >>> >>>> Jackie, >>>> Believe me--I ain't laughing ! When it comes to computers I might as well speak "moonese", cause they just don't ever do what I want !!? ( I LOVE my old 1994 Mac V 6.1--it still does what I want it to when I tell it to--however the printer sometimes fights me---)Ron Rich >>>> >>>> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Jackie Elgie >>>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech >>>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>>> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 9:40 AM >>>> >>>> ok, Ron quit laughing....I forgot to attach pics.....my bad! >>>> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100129 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good Afternoon, >>>>> I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI G80.? I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does anyone have an opinion on the pin bank?? I am not getting it wet, but wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned?? Maybe just a dry brush to take away the dust?? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, the turntable will be another post!!? :)? Anyway, thanks in advance >>>>> Jackie_______________________________________________ >>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From m.desimone at rogers.com Sun Feb 7 08:51:16 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Sun Feb 7 08:52:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 Message-ID: <693608.9248.qm@web88104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks for chiming in Ron, I guess I'll just prime and paint and hope for the best. Thanks again, Mauro On Feb 6, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, I seem to remember that it was a very bright white--but I doubt it was epoxy--Seeburg was too cheap to send the money on that small a production phono-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:34 PM I need to repaint an SB 100. I'm repairing it to give to an elder lady who is a music lover and can't operate her phono/stereo equipment any longer. Her son and daughter feel if she just pushes the buttons she can still listen to her music. If my memory serves me correctly I believe the metal white portions were painted with epoxy paint and I was contemplating using an appliance epoxy paint on this area. The black wood portion will probably be fine with any type of paint. It's the white that concerns me as I don't want it flaking off after a week or so. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Mauro _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Feb 7 08:55:54 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Feb 7 08:57:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality In-Reply-To: <962858.10343.qm@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <101485.80278.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, That info is contained in the "Installation and Operating Manual" in great detail, should you desire to purchase it. It should also be on a "sticker", in much less detail, that was attached to the RSSU, or TJU, whichever that phono was equipped with-- However, briefly the cabinet speakers need to be connected to the highest taps available, IF, no other speakers are used. The switch on the "cross-over network", needs to be set to reflect the fact that you are not using "CV" speakers ( I think that's a "no" setting). Ron Rich --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Jay wrote: From: Jay Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 8:01 AM Thanks for the information.? With that I am better understanding how these sounded when new.? The modern speaker trick sounds like something I will try.? However.... The only thing that I am not certain of is the connection of the speakers to the amp.? Which terminals should I be connected to? As an electrical engineer, I understand the whole purpose of the different terminals.? They are for impedance matching the output tubes to a permenant magnet speakers.? However, I am not sure which terminals are for which speaker resistance.? Having speakers not matched correctly with the output tubes, this will impact sound as well. Any ideas? --- On Sat, 2/6/10, James Alexander wrote: > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 3:30 PM > > > Gentlemen: > > Seeburg AY sound? versus early 60's Wurlitzer > 2500-2600?? ??? > > The Seeburg Q--AY--DS generation of machines had that "AM > radio" sound character that was somewhat boomy and boxy. Not > much to be heard about 5 or 6 KHz.? ? Adding ear > speakers on a DS model helped out a lot. > > If you were to check out the audio of your AY (connect a > pair of trusted stereo bookshelf spkrs to the amp output, > disconnect the cabinet spkrs)? ? > ???You may be suprised as to how accurate it > sounds.? ? The pickup cartridge, stylii,amp etc > probably have a reasonably good HF > response.??? > > Wurlitzer had their sound systems well-tweaked in the > models of this era. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Nutrition > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=FwcR_p7tQDawX3A_F5LQMQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Feb 7 08:59:50 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Feb 7 09:00:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 In-Reply-To: <693608.9248.qm@web88104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <917718.24228.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yea--I think that'll be OK-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 8:51 AM Thanks for chiming in Ron, I guess I'll just prime and paint and hope for the best. Thanks again, Mauro On Feb 6, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, I seem to remember that it was a very bright white--but I doubt it was epoxy--Seeburg was too cheap to send the money on that small a production phono--? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:34 PM I need to repaint an SB 100. I'm repairing it to give to an elder lady who is a music lover and can't operate her phono/stereo equipment any longer. Her son and daughter feel if she just pushes the buttons she can still listen to her music. If my memory serves me correctly I believe the metal white portions were painted with epoxy paint and I was contemplating using an appliance epoxy paint on this area. The black wood portion will probably be fine with any type of paint. It's the white that concerns me as I don't want it flaking off after a week or so. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Mauro _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Feb 7 09:43:31 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Feb 7 09:44:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality Message-ID: Jay, you're making this more complicated than it is. Again, the multi taps on the top of the AY amplifier are WATTAGE taps. 16 ohm resistance. The center tap is the ground on the SHFA3, 4, and 5 amplifiers. 1st tap out on either side is 1 watt, then 4, 8, 16. There is a separate set of taps for CV (constant voltage) with 3 screws for CV type remote speakers. It's marked "Remote speakers" in the manual but you don't want to use this with regular home speakers. Seeburg had a way of assuming you would only use their recommended equipment with their stuff, such as their CV remote speakers. It's right in the AY manual. Page 4083 For a set of bookshelf speakers, don't use anything rated too high, say over 25 watts. Both negative leads to ground (center tap screw), and the + leads, one to the far left tap (16) and one to the far right tap (16). Disconnect phono speakers for this test. It won't hurt it to use 8 ohm speakers. I've had a set hooked to mine for 20+ years. Now if you have one of the C1HF C2HF amplifier setups (a mono amp with an optional 2nd unit to make it stereo), the taps left to right are: 16, 8, 4, 1, G, G, CV All on one strip. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From michel.malicheff at telenet.be Sun Feb 7 10:05:15 2010 From: michel.malicheff at telenet.be (michel malicheff) Date: Sun Feb 7 10:06:28 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] =?iso-8859-1?q?20100206=B00904_AMI_Model_A-Title_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?Strips?= In-Reply-To: <20100205200004.0AEE4AADD4@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20100205200004.0AEE4AADD4@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <97969CE7A3554623ACB8DA45F4608D93@8b27e768a11248c> Good day to all. For those who are looking for title strips: there is an auction running on eBay offering 600 strips for ?10 ( auction 220 54044 6949). Michel Malicheff / Belgium From steve.lane at dishmail.net Sun Feb 7 10:56:44 2010 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Sun Feb 7 10:57:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement Speakers? In-Reply-To: <4B6E3CA5.9060905@west.net> References: <20100206.081555.22482.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> <4B6E3CA5.9060905@west.net> Message-ID: <61088cf91002071056u7aa0bdefm10967e693b7a07a1@mail.gmail.com> Thanks guys for the replies. I won't have time this weekend to fool with it but when I do, I will post what I find. Steve On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Dennis and Sue wrote: > >> almost forgot, I did save the old speakers, I may have them reconed at >> some point. I think the sealed backs help the "stereo" seperation sound >> better. My replacements were open back frames. >> > > Sealed backs are normally seen in higher frequency drivers (tweeters). This > requires a relatively high frequency crossover and the existence of other > speakers to handle the bass and midrange. > > Open-back smaller speakers are normally intended as "full-range" speakers > for things like table radios, intercoms, and the like. Their sound > characteristics will be different. It's really more of a problem going the > other way should you replace a full-range speaker with a sealed-back unit. > There is too much air compression between the back of the cone and the > sealed frame to allow good reproduction of medium and low frequencies. > > If you kept the original value of capacitor and other crossover parts in > place you'll probably be OK. They'll likely sound different than the > originals. Whether different-better or different-worse depends on a lot of > factors including the speakers and their enclosures, the acoustics of the > room and the perception of the listener. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Feb 7 11:28:31 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Feb 7 11:30:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2410 coin gear Message-ID: <20100207.142831.25674.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Hello,Ron & Jackie: I think you both may be a little confused about the terminology. On the playrak chassis (the credit accumulator) there are 2 coils that are energized, depending upon which coin demonination is inserted. One coil is a "10 cent" coil which engages the ratchet wheel for a single play credit or a low number of credits. As you are looking at the chassis at the rear of the juke, this coil will be the right-side one. The other coil is called the quarter coil, and it engages the left hand ratchet. Each of the 2 ratchets can be set to give whatever number of plays that are marked. These coils basically function as electromagnets. There are by definition, two relays on the chassis . There is a solenoid on the chassis, also. This is a coil that engages a spring loaded piston. The solenoid is fired when a selection entry is made at the keyboard. It operates a ratchet wheel that counts down the remaining credit. When credit runs out, you can see a pin on the wheel that opens a leaf switch contact. To initially establish another credit, the dime or quarter coils need to be energized again. The standard W2400 playrak is electrically the same as the W2300 from the previous year. For the 2400 there were optional dual pricing setups available in order to handle EP records pricing. The 2400 is the last 45RPM only machine. Beginning with the W2500 all models going forward had the mech. hardware to be dual speed models. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=PUDRsuxs3yTVh7QePKo6ZAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Feb 7 11:35:52 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Feb 7 11:36:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7372.15427.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle, You are correct--up to the SHFA-5 which has the ability to install stereo, or mono, CV speakers--4 CV taps. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 9:43 AM Jay, you're making this more complicated than it is. Again, the multi taps on the top of the AY amplifier are WATTAGE taps. 16 ohm resistance. The center tap is the ground on the SHFA3, 4, and 5 amplifiers. 1st tap out on either side is 1 watt, then 4, 8, 16. There is a separate set of taps for CV (constant voltage) with 3 screws for CV type remote speakers. It's marked "Remote speakers" in the manual but you don't want to use this with regular home speakers.? Seeburg had a way of assuming you would only use their recommended equipment with their stuff, such as their CV remote speakers. It's right in the AY manual. Page 4083 For a set of bookshelf speakers, don't use anything rated too high, say over 25 watts.? Both negative leads to ground (center tap screw), and the + leads, one to the far left tap (16) and one to the far right tap (16).? Disconnect phono speakers for this test.? It won't hurt it to use 8 ohm speakers. I've had a set hooked to mine for 20+ years. Now if you have one of the C1HF C2HF amplifier setups (a mono amp with an optional 2nd unit to make it stereo), the taps left to right are: 16, 8, 4, 1, G, G, CV? All on one strip. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From chisler at jps.net Sun Feb 7 11:44:00 2010 From: chisler at jps.net (Daniel Chisler) Date: Sun Feb 7 11:49:08 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reflocking turntables Message-ID: <4B6F1800.60405@jps.net> So I had found this guy in California that was just getting into the business . I sent him some tables to reflock he tops looked mint but the sides were a little lumpy . I email him back and he appoligized and said he was just learning the trade and now sprays the glue on and now they are comming out perfect and to please send them back for a free redo . I did and also another table from a roc 78 player mod 1436 and all three came back mint I used the stock ugly brown soas to keep things origional . and they were the exact color they are suppose to be . He also does many diffrent colors .I was trying to find some one more locally than shipping them off to Stammin in germany that also advertizes the reflock job . Well I am convinced Leland Faber of all things unique it the man to do the job contact him at lrfaber@earthlink.net Sincerely Dan Chisler From jhuffer941 at aol.com Sun Feb 7 12:08:52 2010 From: jhuffer941 at aol.com (jhuffer941@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 7 12:15:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI C Jukebox Message-ID: <8CC764880B7DAEA-58DC-257F7@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> I have a AMI C juke box that is in nice condition. It needs some work as the B sides will not select from the selector and the records do not always return after play. I am moving and have to apart with some of the toys. It looks great and lights up really nice. All plastics are in great condition. WIth a little work this would be a great machine. Asking $1250. Please drop me an email for some pics. Located in Chicago. James Huffer 773-383-8750 Cell From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Feb 7 12:22:52 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Feb 7 12:25:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality Message-ID: <20100207.152252.12604.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hi Everyone: Here are a few generalized tips that will be of help if you have to decide whether to buy replacement speakers, or to recone an original unit. Sealed back cone type mid range and tweeter units are used in 2 and 3 way sealed speaker cabinets so that the air displaced by the woofer (usually in much bigger amounts than the by the mids and tweets) will not mechanically affect the midrangfe and tweeter cones. This is called modulation distortion. When it is present, it will impart a degree of fuzziness to musical detail. The sealed back speakers are designed to have bass energy limited to them by using either an in line capacitor (generally the larger the cap value,the lower the frequency it will let pass) or a crossover network. The suspension,voice coil etc in these speakers will get damaged by bass impulses. If you are replacing sealed back units, you should try to find similar new units. If you do use an open frame speaker that is intended for use as a mid range or tweeter, the sound performance generally will be close to that of the sealed unit. Buying a general purpose speaker intended for full range use (i.e. a radio or intercom speaker) will operate but you can expect to have a performance loss. When you are evaluating speaker specifications to make a purchase choice, important characteristics to watch for are impedance (match your original) and the speaker efficiency. This will be shown as a figure measured in Db. Almost all jukebox speakers are high efficiency devices, that have high resonance cones and high efficiency. For a cone midrange this figure should be on the order of 92 to 96 db. The higher the number the better. Speaker efficiency is measured by placing the device under test in an acoustically-neutral room . A one watt sine-wave tone is sent to the speaker. The audio output level is measured by a sound level meter plaed one meter away, directly in front of the speaker under test. In general, speakers with weighted (a treatment applied to the cone's paper)cones, ribs, foam-edge surrounds are design tools to help extend the speakers' extreme low frequency peformance in small enclosures at the expense of efficiency. These type speakers shouldn't be considered for use as jukebox replacements. These characteristics are not helpful, and will be detrimental when installing speakers in large,open cabinets. Should you recone rather than repair?? A value judgment can be made here. Reconing replaces the cone, voice coil and "spring" mechanism,all the moving parts of the speaker. The magnet and frame are reused. With high frequency driver-type unis there may be a replaceable diaphragm assembly that can be installed. This is in effect, a recone job. Replacement diaphragms generally have to be bought from the speakers' original manufacturer. Some speaker failures happen due to the magnet becoming dislodged, which pinches the voice coil and preventing it from moving. The magnet shift most often happens if someone accidentally drops the speaker while handling it. Speakers with magnet problems must be replaced. Many times, it's now possible to buy a better performing speaker,appropriate for the application, with better specs than the original unit you're replacing for less money than a recone job. In general a recone job on most 8 to 12" woofers or full range speakers will run $40-80. You'll spend about $25 to recone a 6" midrange or cone tweeter. If you're going speaker shopping, your needs will best be served by shopping at an electronics retailer or wholesaler that has a fairly large variety of products to choose from,with all the specs shown. The Shack does not offer a decent selection of quality replacement speakers for jukebox work. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander . ____________________________________________________________ Water Heater Some like it hot. Click now for a reliable new water heater! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=9oPyPSph1LXtbq4USqlhKwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIAAAAAA= From lavin at cheqnet.net Sun Feb 7 12:24:22 2010 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sun Feb 7 12:39:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] more jukes followed me home References: <93A8D35B275F406098F06987ED0A5898@dennis1cb9fd78> <34970F84-5A64-42EB-8BC4-34037D1554C3@verizon.net> Message-ID: <69DCF87469904F259B8283218CEE117D@dennis1cb9fd78> Yes, I have fun with all of them, but the shop is gradualy gettin smaller and smaller every time I take a road trip !! I swore I would never get into video games, but ...there kinda fun too Ha Ha !! Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] more jukes followed me home > Dennis, > what a fun shop you must have!!!! I know I would have fun with a video > game...don't even get me started!!!! lol > Jackie > > > > > > On Feb 6, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Dennis and Sue wrote: > >> HI- been off the list for a little while, just thought I would mention >> that I added some more jukes to the flock. >> >> I bought 2 more Pioneer CJ V55 Laser jukes(for parts) and the latest one >> is a Regatta V.I.P cd juke. I know there kinda odball jukes, but then >> there like me I guess. LOL !! >> >> The best one out of the bunch is a fully functional Seeburg Matador SPS2. >> The prev owner must have changed the speaker wiring as it was not very >> loud at all and seemed "muddy". I found one of the wires disconected on >> the crossover for the 2 horns, and the main speakers were connected to >> the 4 watt term screws instead of the 50watt per channel connections. I >> connected them back to the 50 w settings and it jumps now. Very happy >> with it. I have to trace out the record playing panel as 2 of the lamps >> dont light up when it scans the numbers/letters, but thats about all >> that I can find wrong with it. it's goning to be another "keeper". >> >> Also drug home a Video game, called Black Tiger, and a counter top >> gambling game, a Megatouch 4. >> Lots of fun so far with that one. I made the mistake of putting it in the >> shop and cant seem to walk by it without playing a few rounds on it. >> >> >> Dennis ~ Jukeboxdenny >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2673 - Release Date: 02/07/10 01:22:00 From m.desimone at rogers.com Sun Feb 7 13:02:38 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Sun Feb 7 13:03:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality Message-ID: <950622.36453.qm@web88105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jim, Thankyou very much for that explanation, this has been a fuzzy subject for me for many years and no one could give me any better of an answer than, "ya, it should work. " I've always tried to find originals but when I can't at least now I know what to look for! Cheers, Mauro On Feb 7, 2010, at 8:22 PM, "James Alexander" wrote: Hi Everyone: Here are a few generalized tips that will be of help if you have to decide whether to buy replacement speakers, or to recone an original unit. Sealed back cone type mid range and tweeter units are used in 2 and 3 way sealed speaker cabinets so that the air displaced by the woofer (usually in much bigger amounts than the by the mids and tweets) will not mechanically affect the midrangfe and tweeter cones. This is called modulation distortion. When it is present, it will impart a degree of fuzziness to musical detail. The sealed back speakers are designed to have bass energy limited to them by using either an in line capacitor (generally the larger the cap value,the lower the frequency it will let pass) or a crossover network. The suspension,voice coil etc in these speakers will get damaged by bass impulses. If you are replacing sealed back units, you should try to find similar new units. If you do use an open frame speaker that is intended for use as a mid range or tweeter, the sound performance generally will be close to that of the sealed unit. Buying a general purpose speaker intended for full range use (i.e. a radio or intercom speaker) will operate but you can expect to have a performance loss. When you are evaluating speaker specifications to make a purchase choice, important characteristics to watch for are impedance (match your original) and the speaker efficiency. This will be shown as a figure measured in Db. Almost all jukebox speakers are high efficiency devices, that have high resonance cones and high efficiency. For a cone midrange this figure should be on the order of 92 to 96 db. The higher the number the better. Speaker efficiency is measured by placing the device under test in an acoustically-neutral room . A one watt sine-wave tone is sent to the speaker. The audio output level is measured by a sound level meter plaed one meter away, directly in front of the speaker under test. In general, speakers with weighted (a treatment applied to the cone's paper)cones, ribs, foam-edge surrounds are design tools to help extend the speakers' extreme low frequency peformance in small enclosures at the expense of efficiency. These type speakers shouldn't be considered for use as jukebox replacements. These characteristics are not helpful, and will be detrimental when installing speakers in large,open cabinets. Should you recone rather than repair?? A value judgment can be made here. Reconing replaces the cone, voice coil and "spring" mechanism,all the moving parts of the speaker. The magnet and frame are reused. With high frequency driver-type unis there may be a replaceable diaphragm assembly that can be installed. This is in effect, a recone job. Replacement diaphragms generally have to be bought from the speakers' original manufacturer. Some speaker failures happen due to the magnet becoming dislodged, which pinches the voice coil and preventing it from moving. The magnet shift most often happens if someone accidentally drops the speaker while handling it. Speakers with magnet problems must be replaced. Many times, it's now possible to buy a better performing speaker,appropriate for the application, with better specs than the original unit you're replacing for less money than a recone job. In general a recone job on most 8 to 12" woofers or full range speakers will run $40-80. You'll spend about $25 to recone a 6" midrange or cone tweeter. If you're going speaker shopping, your needs will best be served by shopping at an electronics retailer or wholesaler that has a fairly large variety of products to choose from,with all the specs shown. The Shack does not offer a decent selection of quality replacement speakers for jukebox work. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander .. ____________________________________________________________ Water Heater Some like it hot. Click now for a reliable new water heater! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=9oPyPSph1LXtbq4USqlhKwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From m.desimone at rogers.com Sun Feb 7 13:02:38 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Sun Feb 7 13:03:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality Message-ID: <950622.36453.qm@web88105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jim, Thankyou very much for that explanation, this has been a fuzzy subject for me for many years and no one could give me any better of an answer than, "ya, it should work. " I've always tried to find originals but when I can't at least now I know what to look for! Cheers, Mauro On Feb 7, 2010, at 8:22 PM, "James Alexander" wrote: Hi Everyone: Here are a few generalized tips that will be of help if you have to decide whether to buy replacement speakers, or to recone an original unit. Sealed back cone type mid range and tweeter units are used in 2 and 3 way sealed speaker cabinets so that the air displaced by the woofer (usually in much bigger amounts than the by the mids and tweets) will not mechanically affect the midrangfe and tweeter cones. This is called modulation distortion. When it is present, it will impart a degree of fuzziness to musical detail. The sealed back speakers are designed to have bass energy limited to them by using either an in line capacitor (generally the larger the cap value,the lower the frequency it will let pass) or a crossover network. The suspension,voice coil etc in these speakers will get damaged by bass impulses. If you are replacing sealed back units, you should try to find similar new units. If you do use an open frame speaker that is intended for use as a mid range or tweeter, the sound performance generally will be close to that of the sealed unit. Buying a general purpose speaker intended for full range use (i.e. a radio or intercom speaker) will operate but you can expect to have a performance loss. When you are evaluating speaker specifications to make a purchase choice, important characteristics to watch for are impedance (match your original) and the speaker efficiency. This will be shown as a figure measured in Db. Almost all jukebox speakers are high efficiency devices, that have high resonance cones and high efficiency. For a cone midrange this figure should be on the order of 92 to 96 db. The higher the number the better. Speaker efficiency is measured by placing the device under test in an acoustically-neutral room . A one watt sine-wave tone is sent to the speaker. The audio output level is measured by a sound level meter plaed one meter away, directly in front of the speaker under test. In general, speakers with weighted (a treatment applied to the cone's paper)cones, ribs, foam-edge surrounds are design tools to help extend the speakers' extreme low frequency peformance in small enclosures at the expense of efficiency. These type speakers shouldn't be considered for use as jukebox replacements. These characteristics are not helpful, and will be detrimental when installing speakers in large,open cabinets. Should you recone rather than repair?? A value judgment can be made here. Reconing replaces the cone, voice coil and "spring" mechanism,all the moving parts of the speaker. The magnet and frame are reused. With high frequency driver-type unis there may be a replaceable diaphragm assembly that can be installed. This is in effect, a recone job. Replacement diaphragms generally have to be bought from the speakers' original manufacturer. Some speaker failures happen due to the magnet becoming dislodged, which pinches the voice coil and preventing it from moving. The magnet shift most often happens if someone accidentally drops the speaker while handling it. Speakers with magnet problems must be replaced. Many times, it's now possible to buy a better performing speaker,appropriate for the application, with better specs than the original unit you're replacing for less money than a recone job. In general a recone job on most 8 to 12" woofers or full range speakers will run $40-80. You'll spend about $25 to recone a 6" midrange or cone tweeter. If you're going speaker shopping, your needs will best be served by shopping at an electronics retailer or wholesaler that has a fairly large variety of products to choose from,with all the specs shown. The Shack does not offer a decent selection of quality replacement speakers for jukebox work. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander .. ____________________________________________________________ Water Heater Some like it hot. Click now for a reliable new water heater! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=9oPyPSph1LXtbq4USqlhKwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Feb 7 13:02:41 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Feb 7 13:03:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality In-Reply-To: <20100207.152252.12604.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100207.152252.12604.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001a01caa838$e3327450$a9975cf0$@force9.co.uk> Hi Jim, Thanks for the information below. I would like your advice on re-cones if possible. My Continental 1 had a fantastic sound and superb AMI style bass (Shure M44, rebuilt amp, everything else original). A year ago the woofer literally disintegrated. The card had gone so brittle it snapped into 100s of pieces during the play of one record. Was quite spectacular. (original Jensen speaker). Anyway, I had it re-coned (cost ?70 GBP). Wonderful job, however, since, there is considerable less bass and it sounds quite boxy. I am definitely not happy with it. Voice coil was replaced too I am told. They guy told me it would improve the midrange. That concerned me as I want bass. I don't care much for mid in the jukeboxes (can play a CD for that!). I have been strongly recommended this speaker http://www.watfordvalves.com/product_detail.asp?id=2143 Do you think that would restore my sound enjoyment ? I am extremely fussy and I know the current sound is not right. I think the only remaining 1960 feature of my speaker is the frame and possibly magnet. Many thanks Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 07 February 2010 20:23 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality Hi Everyone: Here are a few generalized tips that will be of help if you have to decide whether to buy replacement speakers, or to recone an original unit. Sealed back cone type mid range and tweeter units are used in 2 and 3 way sealed speaker cabinets so that the air displaced by the woofer (usually in much bigger amounts than the by the mids and tweets) will not mechanically affect the midrangfe and tweeter cones. This is called modulation distortion. When it is present, it will impart a degree of fuzziness to musical detail. The sealed back speakers are designed to have bass energy limited to them by using either an in line capacitor (generally the larger the cap value,the lower the frequency it will let pass) or a crossover network. The suspension,voice coil etc in these speakers will get damaged by bass impulses. If you are replacing sealed back units, you should try to find similar new units. If you do use an open frame speaker that is intended for use as a mid range or tweeter, the sound performance generally will be close to that of the sealed unit. Buying a general purpose speaker intended for full range use (i.e. a radio or intercom speaker) will operate but you can expect to have a performance loss. When you are evaluating speaker specifications to make a purchase choice, important characteristics to watch for are impedance (match your original) and the speaker efficiency. This will be shown as a figure measured in Db. Almost all jukebox speakers are high efficiency devices, that have high resonance cones and high efficiency. For a cone midrange this figure should be on the order of 92 to 96 db. The higher the number the better. Speaker efficiency is measured by placing the device under test in an acoustically-neutral room . A one watt sine-wave tone is sent to the speaker. The audio output level is measured by a sound level meter plaed one meter away, directly in front of the speaker under test. In general, speakers with weighted (a treatment applied to the cone's paper)cones, ribs, foam-edge surrounds are design tools to help extend the speakers' extreme low frequency peformance in small enclosures at the expense of efficiency. These type speakers shouldn't be considered for use as jukebox replacements. These characteristics are not helpful, and will be detrimental when installing speakers in large,open cabinets. Should you recone rather than repair?? A value judgment can be made here. Reconing replaces the cone, voice coil and "spring" mechanism,all the moving parts of the speaker. The magnet and frame are reused. With high frequency driver-type unis there may be a replaceable diaphragm assembly that can be installed. This is in effect, a recone job. Replacement diaphragms generally have to be bought from the speakers' original manufacturer. Some speaker failures happen due to the magnet becoming dislodged, which pinches the voice coil and preventing it from moving. The magnet shift most often happens if someone accidentally drops the speaker while handling it. Speakers with magnet problems must be replaced. Many times, it's now possible to buy a better performing speaker,appropriate for the application, with better specs than the original unit you're replacing for less money than a recone job. In general a recone job on most 8 to 12" woofers or full range speakers will run $40-80. You'll spend about $25 to recone a 6" midrange or cone tweeter. If you're going speaker shopping, your needs will best be served by shopping at an electronics retailer or wholesaler that has a fairly large variety of products to choose from,with all the specs shown. The Shack does not offer a decent selection of quality replacement speakers for jukebox work. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander . ____________________________________________________________ Water Heater Some like it hot. Click now for a reliable new water heater! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=9oPyPSph1LXtbq4USqlhKwAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ksherwin at execpc.com Sun Feb 7 13:49:30 2010 From: ksherwin at execpc.com (Karl Sherwin) Date: Sun Feb 7 13:50:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Cabinet Restoration Site References: Message-ID: <009d01caa83f$6de83160$6401a8c0@KARL> Hello Hildegard, Thanks so much for the reply! This was what I remembered! Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stamann" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:59 PM Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Cabinet Restoration Site Hello Karl, you remembered right - both it's a Wurlitzer 2000 which was restored plus it's an European site: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Wurlitzer/Wurlitzer2000.htm#Restaurierung In general you find this site through our jukebox archive at http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Archiv.html The camera icon leads to the pictures of a manufacturer and each samll picture to an extra site for eeach model. The information link leads to various tables with specifications we entered so far. The three ??? are FAQ - but mostly in German only. Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Karl Sherwin Gesendet: Freitag, 5. Februar 2010 18:19 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Cabinet Restoration Site Hi, Several months ago I happened upon a site that had detailed pictures of a restoration of a Wurlitzer, I thought it was a 1900, but could have been a 2000 or maybe a 2150/2200/2250? Many of the pictures and write-up concerned the stripping and refinishing of the cabinet, particularly how they maintained the woodgrain texture when they repainted it. I thought I saved the link, but can not find it. I thought it was a European site, but again not sure. I know this is a long shot, would anyone happen to have seen that site? Thanks, Karl _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Sun Feb 7 14:28:37 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sun Feb 7 14:29:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jensen replacement speakers References: <20100207.152252.12604.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <001a01caa838$e3327450$a9975cf0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <001201caa844$e47d4d60$48944e18@compaq> If an original speaker cannot be repaired or a used one can't be located, then the Jensen Alnico speakers are a great choice. This link will link to all the models and there is specs. Click on the model of speaker. The " R" series is lower wattage as compared to the " Q " series but sound very similar. http://www.jensentone.com/alnico_index2.php The vintage Alnico magnet " Q " series speakers are great replacement speakers and are affordable. Many jukes came with these factory installed. Utah, Rola and Jensen are all Alnico magent speakers and sound similar. They are interchangeable. Joey McDonald From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Feb 7 14:59:35 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sun Feb 7 15:00:42 2010 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Jukebox-list]_20100206=B00904_AMI_Model_A-Ti?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?tle_Strips?= In-Reply-To: <97969CE7A3554623ACB8DA45F4608D93@8b27e768a11248c> References: <20100205200004.0AEE4AADD4@lists.netlojix.com> <97969CE7A3554623ACB8DA45F4608D93@8b27e768a11248c> Message-ID: <16D6B4B7-E5D4-4E7B-86B8-DDC468DF6D17@verizon.net> thank you Michel, Jackie On Feb 7, 2010, at 1:05 PM, michel malicheff wrote: > Good day to all. > For those who are looking for title strips: there is an auction running on > eBay offering 600 strips for ?10 ( auction 220 54044 6949). > Michel Malicheff / Belgium > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Feb 7 20:48:26 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Feb 7 20:49:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. Message-ID: eBay item # 330400929698 Someone selling a conversion kit with the Seeburg name on it. Not the Seeburg trademarked logo. I wonder if Sony still owns that. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Feb 7 20:58:18 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Feb 7 20:59:17 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: I did some research and the last time the Seeburg logo as we know it was registered was 1991- 1998. I copied and pasted this. Hopefully the email list allows it. Word Mark SEEBURG (Showed the logo are, but old fashioned list won't allow images) Goods and Services (CANCELLED) IC 009. US 036. G & S: jukeboxes. FIRST USE: 19340000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19340000 Mark Drawing Code (5) WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS IN STYLIZED FORM Serial Number 74129765 Filing Date January 11, 1991 Current Filing Basis 1A Original Filing Basis 1A Published for Opposition August 27, 1991 Registration Number 1664872 Registration Date November 19, 1991 Owner (REGISTRANT) Seeburg Corporation CORPORATION ILLINOIS 1105 Westwood Avenue Addison ILLINOIS 60101 Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED Attorney of Record John P. Bouxsein, III Prior Registrations 0708217;0925414 Type of Mark TRADEMARK Register PRINCIPAL-2(F) Live/Dead Indicator DEAD Cancellation Date May 25, 1998 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From bpgbpg at comcast.net Mon Feb 8 05:54:19 2010 From: bpgbpg at comcast.net (Brad Grant) Date: Mon Feb 8 06:01:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 1250 plays record too fast Message-ID: <34E5A19F-5B2F-4883-8E75-BA857FEF7A0B@comcast.net> Thanks, Denny. I have a few of those players up on a shelf needing attention, thanks for the reminder! Brad From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 08:15:31 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 8 08:16:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <261200.21920.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle, Sony never "owned" Seeburg. The "Seeburg" company that used Sony players was the "Seeburg Phono Corp". This was a very small company that purchased the remains of the "Stern/Seeburg" Co. from the court. They purchased the players from Sony, and had claimed to have had a hand in development of them. The current company is using an old copyrighted Seeburg script from the 50's. I have no idea who/what they are, and just assume that they found that no one is enforcing the copyright on that script--? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 8:48 PM eBay item # 330400929698 Someone selling a conversion kit with the Seeburg name on it.? Not the Seeburg trademarked logo.? I wonder if Sony still owns that. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From d.carriveau at att.net Thu Feb 4 09:27:38 2010 From: d.carriveau at att.net (d.carriveau@att.net) Date: Mon Feb 8 09:26:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: W 1250 plays record too fast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <020420101727.7233.4B6B0389000F015700001C4122216128369B0A02D29B9B0EBF9A0E0A90079D9D0E0CD20B@att.net> Hi, The 1250 had an idler wheel that could be changed out to make the turntable spin at either 78 or 45 RPM depending on the wheel you installed. I converted my 1250 back to 78 RPM during its restoration. I was lucky that there was a bag of parts/pieces containing the 78 idler wheel and other "stuff" on the floor of the cabinet. I've never checked the speed as my records seem to be playing on pitch. Maybe you could try a speed strobe disc for 78 RPM. Another test you might try is to play a record on a adjustable pitch turntable such as a Necomb with its built in strobe disc and compare the pitch to your 1250. I'm guessing you're one of those lucky folks with perfect pitch. Dean -------------- Original message from Brad Grant : -------------- > Thanks, Aaron for the reply. I don't think I have an idler wheel on > my 1250-- it's 2 motors (one for each direction on top of each > other), with one shaft that turns the turntable, right? Yes, too > fast in both directions. Anyone ?? > > Also, that brings up something else--I thought the size of the idler > wheel was not an issue with speed-- the fatter the shaft that turns > the idler, the faster the idler turns the turntable, but the size of > the idler wheel does not govern the speed. I could be wrong, I'm not > an engineer, but this is what I have read on the subject. I needed to > change a RO 1434 from 45 to 78. It was the size of the shaft that > turned the idler I needed to focus on, and I was successful in the > end, but it coulda just been luck! > > Anyone? > > Thanks, Brad > > > > Brad, > I have a 1250, and although it's been about 10 years since I've monkeyed > with the inner workings of the mech - so my memory isn't the greatest on > this - I'll take a stab and say that it could be the fact that your > idler > wheel is not the correct size for 78rpm any longer. Is it the original? > Hopefully someone can chime in on this one... but there could also be > some > gunk or debris on the turntable motor spindle. Does the speed issue > exist on > both the A side and B side of a record? > Aaron > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brad Grant wrote: > > My W 1250 runs the tt too fast. Anyone else have a problem like this on > this era Wurlys and know how to solve? It's very slight, (maybe 79-80 > instead of 78) but enough to make the songs stuck in my head sound > different-- musically, it's about half a step. > > Thanks, Brad, Vacaville, CA > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From db646c at att.com Fri Feb 5 10:31:35 2010 From: db646c at att.com (BRENEMAN, DAVID (ATTSI)) Date: Mon Feb 8 09:30:12 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech In-Reply-To: <630515.269.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <630515.269.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Jackie - Here in the Puget Sound region we're having our warmest summer on record! I'm replying to you directly since I'm at work and this address will probably bounce from the list. The selection levers should be cleaned. (And, please, no talk of "pinbanks" here! That's a Wurlitzer word! :-) ) Since I'm at work I can't check to make sure, but I remember that the banks of selection levers unscrew from the bottom of the coil assemblies. You could probably take them off with the coil frames still attached to the mechamism chasis. Then just soak the elever assemblies in kerosene or some similar solvent for a day or so, swishing them around every once in a while to flush off the crud. Blow the solvent off when you're done. They should emerge shiny-new looking. Leave them "dry" - lubrication will only gum them up. David Breneman Technical Architect AT&T Mobility eCommerce Systems Engineering Desk Phone - +01.425.288.6052 Cell Phone - +01.425.892.5656 ----- Original Message ----- On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Good Afternoon, > I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI > G80. I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does > anyone have an opinion on the pin bank? I am not getting it wet, but > wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned? Maybe just a dry brush to > take away the dust? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, > the turntable will be another post!! :) Anyway, thanks in advance > Jackie_______________________________________________ From DESShipsFWE-BASS-SSECY at mod.uk Sun Feb 7 08:59:13 2010 From: DESShipsFWE-BASS-SSECY at mod.uk (DES Ships FWE-BASS-SSECY(Lewis, Pauline Mrs)) Date: Mon Feb 8 09:30:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] EX SEBURG ENGINEER Message-ID: Hello my names dave and I was a seburg service engineer in the 70s servicing valve and electrical and mechanical boxes. Up to digital i.e Matador, Entertainer, Olympic,Coffin. Is there anyone else who worked on this equipment around the same time. ? From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Feb 8 09:57:30 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Mon Feb 8 09:58:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: W 1250 plays record too fast In-Reply-To: <020420101727.7233.4B6B0389000F015700001C4122216128369B0A02D29B9B0EBF9A0E0A90079D9D0E0CD20B@att.net> References: <020420101727.7233.4B6B0389000F015700001C4122216128369B0A02D29B9B0EBF9A0E0A90079D9D0E0CD20B@att.net> Message-ID: If the turntable was running SLOW and if you're were still using the original idler wheel, it's entirely possible that the rubber has dried up and shrunk... or the turntable motor is badly in need of lubrication. However you state that your turntable is running FAST. My guess is that your 1250 may have been on 45 once before and the idler was replaced to put the 120 back on 78 before you took ownership of it. It's entirely possible that the idler on your 1250 is NOT the right size to begin with and just came out of any 78s playing phonograph that had a center hole the correct size to mount the idler on. If looking at the idler gives you an indication that it's worn, or a hack-job was employed to get it mounted, then I would replace it. I purchased mine from VG 10 years ago and I'm pretty sure they still have them. My 1250 was on 45 when I got it so that's why I have this feeling about the idler being your issue. Aaron On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:27 PM, wrote: > > Hi, > > The 1250 had an idler wheel that could be changed out to make the turntable > spin at either 78 or 45 RPM depending on the wheel you installed. I > converted my 1250 back to 78 RPM during its restoration. I was lucky that > there was a bag of parts/pieces containing the 78 idler wheel and other > "stuff" on the floor of the cabinet. I've never checked the speed as my > records seem to be playing on pitch. Maybe you could try a speed strobe > disc for 78 RPM. Another test you might try is to play a record on a > adjustable pitch turntable such as a Necomb with its built in strobe disc > and compare the pitch to your 1250. I'm guessing you're one of those lucky > folks with perfect pitch. > > Dean > > -------------- Original message from Brad Grant : > -------------- > > > > Thanks, Aaron for the reply. I don't think I have an idler wheel on > > my 1250-- it's 2 motors (one for each direction on top of each > > other), with one shaft that turns the turntable, right? Yes, too > > fast in both directions. Anyone ?? > > > > Also, that brings up something else--I thought the size of the idler > > wheel was not an issue with speed-- the fatter the shaft that turns > > the idler, the faster the idler turns the turntable, but the size of > > the idler wheel does not govern the speed. I could be wrong, I'm not > > an engineer, but this is what I have read on the subject. I needed to > > change a RO 1434 from 45 to 78. It was the size of the shaft that > > turned the idler I needed to focus on, and I was successful in the > > end, but it coulda just been luck! > > > > Anyone? > > > > Thanks, Brad > > > > > > > > Brad, > > I have a 1250, and although it's been about 10 years since I've monkeyed > > with the inner workings of the mech - so my memory isn't the greatest on > > this - I'll take a stab and say that it could be the fact that your > > idler > > wheel is not the correct size for 78rpm any longer. Is it the original? > > Hopefully someone can chime in on this one... but there could also be > > some > > gunk or debris on the turntable motor spindle. Does the speed issue > > exist on > > both the A side and B side of a record? > > Aaron > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brad Grant wrote: > > > > My W 1250 runs the tt too fast. Anyone else have a problem like this on > > this era Wurlys and know how to solve? It's very slight, (maybe 79-80 > > instead of 78) but enough to make the songs stuck in my head sound > > different-- musically, it's about half a step. > > > > Thanks, Brad, Vacaville, CA > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From m.desimone at rogers.com Mon Feb 8 09:44:50 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Mon Feb 8 09:58:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] EX SEBURG ENGINEER Message-ID: <588468.30060.qm@web88107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dave, There are a bunch of members who worked on this era of jukeboxes, as far as I can tell. There is even (at least one) ex Seeburg employee. Welcome to the list. Mauro On Feb 7, 2010, at 11:59 AM, "DES Ships FWE-BASS-SSECY(Lewis, Pauline Mrs)" wrote: Hello my names dave and I was a seburg service engineer in the 70s servicing valve and electrical and mechanical boxes. Up to digital i.e Matador, Entertainer, Olympic,Coffin. Is there anyone else who worked on this equipment around the same time. ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Feb 8 10:00:18 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Mon Feb 8 10:01:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech In-Reply-To: References: <630515.269.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: YES!!! Don't ever lubricate those trip fingers! Once they're cleaned to a brilliant "dull-aluminum" shine, they should never stick and be maintenance for years. A. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:31 PM, BRENEMAN, DAVID (ATTSI) wrote: > > Hi, Jackie - > > Here in the Puget Sound region we're having our warmest summer on > record! > > I'm replying to you directly since I'm at work and this address will > probably bounce from the list. The selection levers should be cleaned. > (And, please, no talk of "pinbanks" here! That's a Wurlitzer word! :-) > ) Since I'm at work I can't check to make sure, but I remember that the > banks of selection levers unscrew from the bottom of the coil > assemblies. You could probably take them off with the coil frames still > attached to the mechamism chasis. Then just soak the elever assemblies > in kerosene or some similar solvent for a day or so, swishing them > around every once in a while to flush off the crud. Blow the solvent > off when you're done. They should emerge shiny-new looking. Leave them > "dry" - lubrication will only gum them up. > > David Breneman > Technical Architect > AT&T Mobility eCommerce Systems Engineering > Desk Phone - +01.425.288.6052 Cell Phone - +01.425.892.5656 > > ----- Original Message ----- > On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > > Good Afternoon, > > I am spending this snowy day in MD, working on my Mech for the AMI > > G80. I have attached a link to the Mech pics, I am wondering does > > anyone have an opinion on the pin bank? I am not getting it wet, but > > wonder if somehow it needs to be cleaned? Maybe just a dry brush to > > take away the dust? theI am only working on the Mech Tray right now, > > the turntable will be another post!! :) Anyway, thanks in advance > > Jackie_______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Feb 8 10:28:29 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Feb 8 10:31:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality Message-ID: <20100208.132829.20243.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Hello Nigel: I sent out a detailed, specific answer regarding your speaker question for your AMI Continental I juke. It got bounced from the juke-list because there was too much content. There was an attached PDF with specs for a suitable speaker that will meet your needs. There are some better choices you could make,even in the Jensen speaker product line, than the model you cited in your email. I sent my lengthy email directly to your UK email address. I didn't receive any feedback that the email wasn't delivered,but I never got an acknowledgement from you, either on or off the list. I hope that I was able to reach you before you made another speaker purchase. In case you're interested, by profession, I'm a commercial audio engineer, familiar with speakers & speaker cabinet design. I hope this advice was helpful to you. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Small Business Tools Learn how to save time and money. Click to find what tools your business needs now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=gLkrBRc9fGxdNXzf6glCbAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARMQAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Feb 8 11:06:11 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Feb 8 11:09:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: W 1250 plays record too fast Message-ID: <20100208.140611.7729.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Just trying to give a repair techs' opinion on this situation. For the most part, both of you are correct. All of the Wurlitzer 48-play "transition" model record changers utilize a 2-step idler wheel to drive the turntable. The 2 step idler is similar in it's look to the double-step idler wheel used in RCA 45 RPM record changers, some early RockOla 45 jukeboxes, V-M record changers, possibly others. The Wurlitzer idlers provide a speed change by changing the upper/lower size ratio of the wheels. They are not the same diameter/size as the RCA idlers. Wurlitzer issued 78 45 and 33 1/3 RPM idler wheels for these machines, usually sold as part of a speed conversion kit. The W1500 model, capable of operating a 78/45 RPM intermix, uses a different drive wheel arrangement. If you need to buy a complete replacement idler wheel, Victory Glass has some for sale. If you know that you have the correct wheel, but it is in poor condition, you should have the wheel resurfaced to have a fresh rubber surface installed. The resurfacing job is generally cheaper than buying the Vic Glass replicated idler wheel. Two vendors that provide revulcanizing services for idler wheels are Vintage Electronics in MS. (web: www.vintagelectronics.com, PH 601 264 4755) and Westech in OH (web: www.west-techservices.com PH 740-732-6056) Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Home Improvement Projects Do it right the first time. Click to find contractors to work on your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=DN-y9s4e-WK3FTiTEY5i7QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAShAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Feb 8 11:15:50 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Feb 8 11:18:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. Message-ID: <20100208.141550.7729.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Ron: If that is the case, who was running the Seeburg Corp of the early 90's? I'm aware that Sony made the CD changers that were used in the Seeburg SCD-1 jukes of the mid-80's. Were these a Stern/Seeburg enterprise? There were several Seeburg CD jukeboxes issued in the 90's that were packaged in upright video game-style cabinets, that used Panasonic/Technics stereo receivers as the basis of the sound system. I'm not sure who manufactured the CD changers. It's my understanding that this business venture closed it's doors in 1994, and that Seeburg has officially been out of business since. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=k1VWYDvpvnaREERbdwsBRwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 8 11:32:49 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 8 11:33:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] EX SEBURG ENGINEER Message-ID: Hi there. Welcome. Tony Miller used to be a member here. He passed away not too long ago. He knew EVERYTHING right down to which diode or transistor to replace just on a written description. Terribly missed. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 8 11:40:57 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 8 11:42:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: W 1250 plays record too fast Message-ID: Forgive me if I missed this, but is the record playing significantly fast, like at or near 78? I'm not sure I saw any info on that. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 8 11:49:17 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 8 11:50:22 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. Message-ID: Thanks, Jim. I worked in vending all through the 1990s and the scuttlebutt was that Sony had licensed the Seeburg name and made a go of it. being Seeburg fan I remember one of the guys at the company showing me the Vending trade paper (whatever it was called) knowing I'd be interested in it. Maybe this is a brain fart, but I think there were also jukes out of Mexico that carried the Seeburg name for a short time. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco on: If that is the case, who was running the Seeburg Corp of the early 90's? I'm aware that Sony made the CD changers that were used in the Seeburg SCD-1 jukes of the mid-80's. Were these a Stern/Seeburg enterprise? There were several Seeburg CD jukeboxes issued in that used Panasonic/Technics stereo receivers as the basis of the sound system. I'm not sure who manufactured the CD changers. It's my understanding that this business venture closed it's doors in 1994, and that Seeburg has officially been out of business since. Jim Alexander _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 8 11:54:46 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 8 11:55:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech Message-ID: You can use Tri-Flow (Teflon) on the selection fingers. It's the consistency of water and the liquid dried up after a few minutes leaving a micro film of Teflon. Use a swab to dab just a touch on the heads of each finger, work them up and down a couple times. Mine all work like a charm going on 3 years. Yes they were designed to run dry when new and shiny, but it's OK to use a new technology on them to make their lives easier. Corrosion has forever altered their surfaces and the Teflon will also protect them from further corrosion. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From m.desimone at rogers.com Mon Feb 8 12:51:11 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Mon Feb 8 12:52:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 Message-ID: <559218.66221.qm@web88106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, I used a Krylon spray paint- it looks fabulous. I just wanted to get some feedback on the SHP1 amp I've been working on. I used the two signal diodes and replaced the 10 ohm resistor under the heat sink along with the metal case transistors on the heat sink and the main transistors (with small heat sinks) on the driver bd. The left channel is now working (thankyou) but has static and a scratchy sound. I tried to bias the amp at 1.55V but the pot will only get me to around 1.4V and no matter how far I turn it the voltage only changes +/- 0.2 volts. Did I miss something? Thanks for all of your suggestions, Mauro On Feb 7, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Ron Rich wrote: Yea--I think that'll be OK-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 8:51 AM Thanks for chiming in Ron, I guess I'll just prime and paint and hope for the best. Thanks again, Mauro On Feb 6, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, I seem to remember that it was a very bright white--but I doubt it was epoxy--Seeburg was too cheap to send the money on that small a production phono-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:34 PM I need to repaint an SB 100. I'm repairing it to give to an elder lady who is a music lover and can't operate her phono/stereo equipment any longer. Her son and daughter feel if she just pushes the buttons she can still listen to her music. If my memory serves me correctly I believe the metal white portions were painted with epoxy paint and I was contemplating using an appliance epoxy paint on this area. The black wood portion will probably be fine with any type of paint. It's the white that concerns me as I don't want it flaking off after a week or so. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Mauro _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From m.desimone at rogers.com Mon Feb 8 12:51:11 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Mon Feb 8 12:52:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 Message-ID: <559218.66221.qm@web88106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, I used a Krylon spray paint- it looks fabulous. I just wanted to get some feedback on the SHP1 amp I've been working on. I used the two signal diodes and replaced the 10 ohm resistor under the heat sink along with the metal case transistors on the heat sink and the main transistors (with small heat sinks) on the driver bd. The left channel is now working (thankyou) but has static and a scratchy sound. I tried to bias the amp at 1.55V but the pot will only get me to around 1.4V and no matter how far I turn it the voltage only changes +/- 0.2 volts. Did I miss something? Thanks for all of your suggestions, Mauro On Feb 7, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Ron Rich wrote: Yea--I think that'll be OK-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 8:51 AM Thanks for chiming in Ron, I guess I'll just prime and paint and hope for the best. Thanks again, Mauro On Feb 6, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, I seem to remember that it was a very bright white--but I doubt it was epoxy--Seeburg was too cheap to send the money on that small a production phono-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:34 PM I need to repaint an SB 100. I'm repairing it to give to an elder lady who is a music lover and can't operate her phono/stereo equipment any longer. Her son and daughter feel if she just pushes the buttons she can still listen to her music. If my memory serves me correctly I believe the metal white portions were painted with epoxy paint and I was contemplating using an appliance epoxy paint on this area. The black wood portion will probably be fine with any type of paint. It's the white that concerns me as I don't want it flaking off after a week or so. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Mauro _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From rob6714 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 13:13:39 2010 From: rob6714 at gmail.com (Rob Blakeslee) Date: Mon Feb 8 13:21:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 48350-1A amp hum Message-ID: <737d4e9a1002081313o43cd04c9q3bd514ac4099010e@mail.gmail.com> I have a Rockola 460 jukebox with a 48350-1a amp. Since I bought this jukebox a few weeks ago, it has always had a hum and here are the symptoms: 1) Hum is present the second the jukebox is turned on 2) The hum does not get louder when the volume is turned up 3) The hum does not go away when the volume connector is unplugged or when the input from the cartridge is unplugged 4) The hum is gone when I disconnect the amp or when I disconnect the speakers. I did replace C35 and C36 on the amp supply board (49150-2A) today hoping that would fix the problem. No luck. It was brought to my attention that the jumper wire under C37 was cut. Does anyone know if this is normal? This jumper connects C33, R37, R38 and SCR1 together. One end of R37 ties to ground, so I'm wondering if I'm getting a ground loop hum. Thanks for any and all advice !! Rob From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Feb 8 13:45:56 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Feb 8 13:48:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 48350-1A amp hum Message-ID: <20100208.164556.25697.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> To determine if you have a ground loop hum disconnect the tone arm input connector. (It should be a phenolic 3 pin plug) If hum stops you have a ground loop problem. (lets discuss this separately if we have to) If hum continues the noise is being generated by the amplifier power supply (low voltage feed for the amp comes from the control center chassis) or the output stage, or final driver (it could be faulty transistors) could have problems. The best way to pinpoint a hum/noise problem in a situation like this,is to do an oscilloscope trace, to find the noise source. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Home Improvement Projects Make your dream home a reality. Click here to find all your home improvement needs! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=bHcIG3tw--zYMCZlcXzL5gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAShAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Feb 8 14:00:56 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Feb 8 14:03:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. Message-ID: <20100208.170056.25697.3@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Kyle: This last production run of Seeburg CD jukes did come from a Mexican production line. I know that one of these models was called the Seeburg Blast. I know that Seeburg was divorced from Stern by this time. Instead of a jukebox amp, these units used a Technics stereo receiver as the audio center of the machine. I'm not sure if the stereo receivers were modified for their job app. or not. You'd think that they would have to be. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Small Business Tools Reduce your business expense. Click here to find products for your small business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=G2uG5rGDosSF9T7i4KiktwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARMQAAAAA= From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 8 14:20:30 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 8 14:21:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 48350-1A amp hum Message-ID: OK, I had this same problem. Even after a Rock Ola Charlie rebuild and a visit from Ron Rich. It turns out there is a terminal strip inside the amplifier that a bunch of spade lug black wire ground connectors are attached to. Pull them all off and reattach. There was a microfilm of corrosion on one of them. Wiggling didn't fix it. I was trying to isolate the problem and it wasn't until I pulled and replaced them one by one that I found it. Not saying this is the problem, but it could be. Something to check. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From rob6714 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 14:23:27 2010 From: rob6714 at gmail.com (Rob Blakeslee) Date: Mon Feb 8 14:24:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 48350-1A amp hum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <737d4e9a1002081423h5b749400lec468d832c7a7353@mail.gmail.com> Kyle, Are you talking about the audio distribution assembly in the back of the box? Thanks, Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. < mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> wrote: > > OK, I had this same problem. Even after a Rock Ola Charlie rebuild and a > visit from Ron Rich. > > It turns out there is a terminal strip inside the amplifier that a bunch of > spade lug black wire ground connectors are attached to. > Pull them all off and reattach. > There was a microfilm of corrosion on one of them. Wiggling didn't fix it. > I was trying to isolate the problem and it wasn't until I pulled and > replaced them one by one that I found it. > > Not saying this is the problem, but it could be. > Something to check. > > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 8 14:23:50 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Feb 8 14:24:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. Message-ID: There's models well beyond the Blast. Look here: http://www.pinballrebel.com/archive/seeburg/sfeat.htm Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 15:12:06 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 8 15:13:10 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] EX SEBURG ENGINEER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <165495.50668.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Dave, Yes--I did. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 2/7/10, DES Ships FWE-BASS-SSECY(Lewis, Pauline Mrs) wrote: From: DES Ships FWE-BASS-SSECY(Lewis, Pauline Mrs) Subject: [Jukebox-list] EX SEBURG ENGINEER To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 8:59 AM Hello my names dave and I was a seburg? service engineer in the 70s servicing valve and electrical and mechanical boxes. Up to digital i.e Matador, Entertainer, Olympic,Coffin.? Is there anyone else who worked on this equipment around the same time. ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 15:31:20 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 8 15:32:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 In-Reply-To: <559218.66221.qm@web88106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <691806.6898.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mauro, How/where are you reading the bias ??? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Cc: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:51 PM Hi Ron, I used a Krylon spray paint- it looks fabulous. I just wanted to get some feedback on the SHP1 amp I've been working on. I used the two signal diodes and replaced the 10 ohm resistor under the heat sink along with the metal case transistors on the heat sink and the main transistors (with small heat sinks) on the driver bd. The left channel is now working (thankyou) but has static and a scratchy sound. I tried to bias the amp at 1.55V but the pot will only get me to around 1.4V and no matter how far I turn it the voltage only changes +/- 0.2 volts. Did I miss something? Thanks for all of your suggestions, Mauro ? On Feb 7, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Ron Rich wrote: Yea--I think that'll be OK-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 8:51 AM Thanks for chiming in Ron, I guess I'll just prime and paint and hope for the best. Thanks again, Mauro On Feb 6, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, I seem to remember that it was a very bright white--but I doubt it was epoxy--Seeburg was too cheap to send the money on that small a production phono--? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:34 PM I need to repaint an SB 100. I'm repairing it to give to an elder lady who is a music lover and can't operate her phono/stereo equipment any longer. Her son and daughter feel if she just pushes the buttons she can still listen to her music. If my memory serves me correctly I believe the metal white portions were painted with epoxy paint and I was contemplating using an appliance epoxy paint on this area. The black wood portion will probably be fine with any type of paint. It's the white that concerns me as I don't want it flaking off after a week or so. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Mauro _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 8 15:56:16 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Mon Feb 8 15:57:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 7" Singles Message-ID: This may be common knowledge, but then again... I've bought a lot of records on eBay. A problem I come across occasionally is that the vendor doesn't always list the "B" side of their record. Some time ago I found a site that lists by year, the details of every Motown record issued including the "B" sides. So it might be of use to someone. http://www.broadwayboogaloo.co.uk/singles.htm Bob Ford From pinball at telus.net Mon Feb 8 16:34:33 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Feb 8 16:35:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B70AD99.9030105@telus.net> Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > eBay item # 330400929698 > > Someone selling a conversion kit with the Seeburg name on it. Not the Seeburg trademarked logo. I wonder if Sony still owns that. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > __ Looks like Gibsons is holding the Seeburg name - at least they have the Seeburg.com name. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From m.desimone at rogers.com Mon Feb 8 16:42:18 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Mon Feb 8 16:43:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 Message-ID: <822040.16334.qm@web88102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ron, I'm attaching the + lead of my multimeter to the base of Q5125 and the - lead to the base of Q5127 for the left channel and adjusting the pot through a hole in the chassis. On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, How/where are you reading the bias ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Cc: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:51 PM Hi Ron, I used a Krylon spray paint- it looks fabulous. I just wanted to get some feedback on the SHP1 amp I've been working on. I used the two signal diodes and replaced the 10 ohm resistor under the heat sink along with the metal case transistors on the heat sink and the main transistors (with small heat sinks) on the driver bd. The left channel is now working (thankyou) but has static and a scratchy sound. I tried to bias the amp at 1.55V but the pot will only get me to around 1.4V and no matter how far I turn it the voltage only changes +/- 0.2 volts. Did I miss something? Thanks for all of your suggestions, Mauro On Feb 7, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Ron Rich wrote: Yea--I think that'll be OK-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 8:51 AM Thanks for chiming in Ron, I guess I'll just prime and paint and hope for the best. Thanks again, Mauro On Feb 6, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, I seem to remember that it was a very bright white--but I doubt it was epoxy--Seeburg was too cheap to send the money on that small a production phono-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:34 PM I need to repaint an SB 100. I'm repairing it to give to an elder lady who is a music lover and can't operate her phono/stereo equipment any longer. Her son and daughter feel if she just pushes the buttons she can still listen to her music. If my memory serves me correctly I believe the metal white portions were painted with epoxy paint and I was contemplating using an appliance epoxy paint on this area. The black wood portion will probably be fine with any type of paint. It's the white that concerns me as I don't want it flaking off after a week or so. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Mauro _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From rudymart at charter.net Mon Feb 8 16:04:32 2010 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Mon Feb 8 16:49:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s selection Message-ID: <345006D1E0704DE9AA4C938262FD4C3F@luluPC> unable to select anything on jukebox after replacing trip lever , stud and spacer assembly, letter. the reason for the change was so I could press the letter and the number buttons before the selection was made. before the change I would have to hold the letter button down manually and hold it then pressing the number button to select the record. I then changed it back to its original setup but still could not select anything. almost forget, the buttons will not stay down(select).I have adjusted all the switches and latches for the keyboard as stated in the manual. could it perhaps be the solenoid and if it is how can I test it. I hope I have given as much info needed. if not I will try to answer any questions. thank you rudy From m.desimone at rogers.com Mon Feb 8 16:42:18 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Mon Feb 8 16:50:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 Message-ID: <822040.16334.qm@web88102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ron, I'm attaching the + lead of my multimeter to the base of Q5125 and the - lead to the base of Q5127 for the left channel and adjusting the pot through a hole in the chassis. On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, How/where are you reading the bias ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Cc: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:51 PM Hi Ron, I used a Krylon spray paint- it looks fabulous. I just wanted to get some feedback on the SHP1 amp I've been working on. I used the two signal diodes and replaced the 10 ohm resistor under the heat sink along with the metal case transistors on the heat sink and the main transistors (with small heat sinks) on the driver bd. The left channel is now working (thankyou) but has static and a scratchy sound. I tried to bias the amp at 1.55V but the pot will only get me to around 1.4V and no matter how far I turn it the voltage only changes +/- 0.2 volts. Did I miss something? Thanks for all of your suggestions, Mauro On Feb 7, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Ron Rich wrote: Yea--I think that'll be OK-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 8:51 AM Thanks for chiming in Ron, I guess I'll just prime and paint and hope for the best. Thanks again, Mauro On Feb 6, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, I seem to remember that it was a very bright white--but I doubt it was epoxy--Seeburg was too cheap to send the money on that small a production phono-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:34 PM I need to repaint an SB 100. I'm repairing it to give to an elder lady who is a music lover and can't operate her phono/stereo equipment any longer. Her son and daughter feel if she just pushes the buttons she can still listen to her music. If my memory serves me correctly I believe the metal white portions were painted with epoxy paint and I was contemplating using an appliance epoxy paint on this area. The black wood portion will probably be fine with any type of paint. It's the white that concerns me as I don't want it flaking off after a week or so. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Mauro _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 8 17:24:25 2010 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Mon Feb 8 17:25:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J200 Pulse Converter Message-ID: <3EC6E042E8C14FD1BC6D3586BF2A4DF4@dirksen> I'm bringing one of these back from the dead. Rebuilt power supply, changed caps in pulse converter, cleaned all contacts and wiper boards. I'm having problems with the search motor continuing to run after the sprag relay has energized and punched in the proper selection. The pulse generator and step up functions fine, and the mech will play the proper selection every time. It just continues to search and punch in the same selection again each revolution until I turn off the mech switch. When this happens, the stepper arms don't retract and the transfer relay stays pulled in. It appears to be related to numbers 4-7 as it will do this each time I select any letter and those numbers only. Any help would be appreciated. Jim Dirksen From bpgbpg at comcast.net Mon Feb 8 17:25:57 2010 From: bpgbpg at comcast.net (Brad Grant) Date: Mon Feb 8 17:25:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] re: W 1250 plays record too fast Message-ID: <440B1D52-2B55-45E3-AAF9-3BD87927272D@comcast.net> Kyle, it' son 78 but playing faster-- like 79 or 80. I will look into what I have when I can get in there to look and possible check with VG. There is little or no wow or flutter, so I don't think it is a resurfacing issue-- besides, if the rubber was too dry, I would guess it would be slower, rather than faster due to reduced size. As for perfect pitch, no I'm afraid that would not describe my ears, but I can tell it is too fast! Some songs are in your brain, at a particular speed. Maybe it's due to being a dj in a disco back in the early 80s when we blended the two songs so that the beat continued-- we'd have to speed them up or slow them down to accommodate this and so maybe from practice I could hear when they were being slowed or made faster. In any even, I don't need a strobe-- I can hear it's not right-- on records I know well. Thanks for the help, guys, always appreciated. Brad, Vacaville, CA From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 18:27:02 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Feb 8 18:28:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <368037.17186.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > You can use Tri-Flow (Teflon) on the selection > fingers. It's the consistency of water and the liquid > dried up after a few minutes leaving a micro film of > Teflon. I've never heard of this stuff, but I can see how it could have the legendary "Thousand and One Uses." Where do you get it? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 19:50:09 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Feb 8 19:51:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. In-Reply-To: <4B70AD99.9030105@telus.net> Message-ID: <936719.56435.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 2/8/10, John Robertson wrote: > Looks like Gibsons is holding the Seeburg name - at least > they have the Seeburg.com name. There was that group that took over the Seeburg name (and as I recall part of the factory building) about 10 years ago. They advertised lots of NOS parts and manuals. They also were developing a jukebox that played mp3s off a RAID-5 array of disks, and which could download selections through a satellite link. Not so impressive today, but it was at the time. As I recall, they just sort of faded away. I think someone here even went to their address to see what was going on and found the building abandoned. Did Gibson buy the business from them? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 20:03:14 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 8 20:04:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. In-Reply-To: <20100208.141550.7729.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <113280.80087.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, "Seeburg" was forced to close in Sept 1979.? Stern purchased some of the assets from the court in 80, and produced the SternBurg version of the SMC-2.? They went on to produce the VMC a few years later, but they also wound up "broke".? The Seeburg Phonograph Corp.(aka S.P.C.) which was started by some of the "Seeburg guys" then produced the SMC-3, using left over parts (and as I have heard rumor--some used parts) from the original Seeburg that they purchased from the court. ( Stern did not purchase the Seeburg parts Dept--that was run by the court for a few years as an "independent company").? Somehow--somewhere along the line, Seeburg Phono Co, changed to Seeburg International (Corp?). Anyway, I think that this group was the one with the first CD juke. I can't give you time lines on any of the above since Sept 79, as I was out hustling up my own business--There were several companies after that--"Jukebox USA/Seeburg" was one I heard of--also Seeburg Mexico, aka "Universal", or "Universal/Seeburg", and "Seeburg/Universal"--all may have been the same or not ? --and then, of course there was the guy that used the name "Seeburg.Com"--who wound up in jail for fraud---- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/8/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 11:15 AM Ron: If that is the case, who was running the Seeburg Corp of the early 90's? I'm aware that Sony made the CD changers that were used in the Seeburg SCD-1 jukes of the mid-80's.? Were these a Stern/Seeburg enterprise? ???There were several Seeburg CD jukeboxes issued in the 90's that were packaged in upright video game-style cabinets, that used Panasonic/Technics stereo receivers as the basis of the sound system.???I'm not sure who manufactured the CD changers.???It's my understanding that this business venture closed it's doors in 1994, and that Seeburg has officially been out of business since. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=k1VWYDvpvnaREERbdwsBRwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From m.desimone at rogers.com Mon Feb 8 20:30:28 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Mon Feb 8 20:31:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J200 Pulse Converter Message-ID: <556764.69489.qm@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a J120 that does the same thing with #11. I'll be very interested in reading the responses. Thanks for posting this question. On Feb 8, 2010, at 8:24 PM, "The Dirksen Family" wrote: I'm bringing one of these back from the dead. Rebuilt power supply, changed caps in pulse converter, cleaned all contacts and wiper boards. I'm having problems with the search motor continuing to run after the sprag relay has energized and punched in the proper selection. The pulse generator and step up functions fine, and the mech will play the proper selection every time. It just continues to search and punch in the same selection again each revolution until I turn off the mech switch. When this happens, the stepper arms don't retract and the transfer relay stays pulled in. It appears to be related to numbers 4-7 as it will do this each time I select any letter and those numbers only. Any help would be appreciated. Jim Dirksen _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 00:47:48 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 9 00:49:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 In-Reply-To: <822040.16334.qm@web88102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <249685.78217.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mauro, What model amp is it ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Cc: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 4:42 PM Ron, I'm attaching the + lead of my multimeter to the base of Q5125 and the - lead to the base of Q5127 for the left channel and adjusting the pot through a hole in the chassis. On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, How/where are you reading the bias ????Ron Rich From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 00:48:39 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 9 00:49:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 In-Reply-To: <822040.16334.qm@web88102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <511326.66114.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You are sending everything twice--Did you know that ? --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Cc: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 4:42 PM Ron, I'm attaching the + lead of my multimeter to the base of Q5125 and the - lead to the base of Q5127 for the left channel and adjusting the pot through a hole in the chassis. On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, How/where are you reading the bias ????Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Cc: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:51 PM Hi Ron, I used a Krylon spray paint- it looks fabulous. I just wanted to get some feedback on the SHP1 amp I've been working on. I used the two signal diodes and replaced the 10 ohm resistor under the heat sink along with the metal case transistors on the heat sink and the main transistors (with small heat sinks) on the driver bd. The left channel is now working (thankyou) but has static and a scratchy sound. I tried to bias the amp at 1.55V but the pot will only get me to around 1.4V and no matter how far I turn it the voltage only changes +/- 0.2 volts. Did I miss something? Thanks for all of your suggestions, Mauro ? On Feb 7, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Ron Rich wrote: Yea--I think that'll be OK-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 8:51 AM Thanks for chiming in Ron, I guess I'll just prime and paint and hope for the best. Thanks again, Mauro On Feb 6, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, I seem to remember that it was a very bright white--but I doubt it was epoxy--Seeburg was too cheap to send the money on that small a production phono--? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:34 PM I need to repaint an SB 100. I'm repairing it to give to an elder lady who is a music lover and can't operate her phono/stereo equipment any longer. Her son and daughter feel if she just pushes the buttons she can still listen to her music. If my memory serves me correctly I believe the metal white portions were painted with epoxy paint and I was contemplating using an appliance epoxy paint on this area. The black wood portion will probably be fine with any type of paint. It's the white that concerns me as I don't want it flaking off after a week or so. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Mauro _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 00:55:32 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 9 00:56:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. In-Reply-To: <936719.56435.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <103279.62411.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, If they had the building, in Chicago, I am not aware of it--but that was the guy that wound up in jail, as far as I know--I think he was somewhere in Addison ? Somehow after that the German "Wurlitzer"? grabbed the Seeburg.com site, and it would re-direct you to their site. Then it went "dead".--I have not attempted it since Gibson picked up the jukebox maker. ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/8/10, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 7:50 PM --- On Mon, 2/8/10, John Robertson wrote: > Looks like Gibsons is holding the Seeburg name - at least > they have the Seeburg.com name. There was that group that took over the Seeburg name (and as I recall part of the factory building) about 10 years ago. They advertised lots of NOS parts and manuals.? They also were developing a jukebox that played mp3s off a RAID-5 array of disks, and which could download selections through a satellite link.? Not so impressive today, but it was at the time.? As I recall, they just sort of faded away. I think someone here even went to their address to see what was going on and found the building abandoned. Did Gibson buy the business from them? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From alan-hood at datex.co.uk Tue Feb 9 01:54:52 2010 From: alan-hood at datex.co.uk (Alan Hood) Date: Tue Feb 9 02:23:07 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] EX SEEBURG ENGINEER Message-ID: <5800EF01255BC34C8AFD63A9CDD4D4F2011BC2@ntpdc1.datexnt1.local> Hi Dave, I worked on the following Seeburg jukeboxes in the mid 70's:- 161, 201, 222, LPC1, LPC480, LS1, SPS160 and SPS2. I still have a couple of the SPS2 Matadors (needless to say they want a lot of work) been stored for 15 years or more. I drifted into working on Rowe Ami jukeboxes in 1981 when we could not buy Seeburgs at a reasonable price from the UK distributor at that time. Regards Alan Hood ami-man UK alan-hood@datex.co.uk From m.desimone at rogers.com Tue Feb 9 05:09:39 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Tue Feb 9 05:10:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 Message-ID: <309703.35077.qm@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It is an SHP 1 code A. Sending twice you say? That must be as annoying as hell. Sorry, I'll try to figure out why. Thanks for letting me know. On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:47 AM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, What model amp is it ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Cc: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 4:42 PM Ron, I'm attaching the + lead of my multimeter to the base of Q5125 and the - lead to the base of Q5127 for the left channel and adjusting the pot through a hole in the chassis. On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, How/where are you reading the bias ? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jacjon at talktalk.net Tue Feb 9 05:39:11 2010 From: jacjon at talktalk.net (jacjon@talktalk.net) Date: Tue Feb 9 05:40:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 270528454368 Message-ID: <8CC77A465287E49-17C-27470@FRR4-L26./f> Hi Chaps. Just thought you would like to learn how to adapt your Juke,to play only the A,side of a record. Visit EBay--270528454368.And read description. You "Learn" something every day. Regards. Jack UK. From m.desimone at rogers.com Tue Feb 9 06:01:11 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Tue Feb 9 06:02:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 Message-ID: <194671.73631.qm@web88104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ron, I took the model # from the wrong amp. It's actually an SHP3 code C. Not sure if the pc boards are the originals but that's what is stamped on the chassis. The SHP 1 code A is working fine. Mauro On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:47 AM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, What model amp is it ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Cc: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 4:42 PM Ron, I'm attaching the + lead of my multimeter to the base of Q5125 and the - lead to the base of Q5127 for the left channel and adjusting the pot through a hole in the chassis. On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, How/where are you reading the bias ? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 06:40:54 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Feb 9 06:42:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 270528454368 In-Reply-To: <8CC77A465287E49-17C-27470@FRR4-L26./f> Message-ID: <226997.17958.qm@web112107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 2/9/10, jacjon@talktalk.net wrote: > Just thought you would like to learn how to adapt your > Juke,to play > only the A,side of a record. > Visit EBay--270528454368.And read description. > You "Learn" something every day. I wonder if he actually glued them together? BTW, what do you guys call the ground floor? Floor 0? :-) I worked in a building once where the elevator (lift) had two floors labelled "L" and "P". Everyone assumed that that meant "Lobby" and "Parking". No! In the twisted mind of the building's owner, it meant "Lower" and "Plaza". People were always pressing "L", and ending up in the garage, and reporting trouble with the elevator to bulding management. From jacjon at talktalk.net Tue Feb 9 07:47:30 2010 From: jacjon at talktalk.net (jacjon@talktalk.net) Date: Tue Feb 9 07:48:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 270528454368 In-Reply-To: <226997.17958.qm@web112107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC77B652465BE9-1548-26F08@FRR4-L19./f> Hi David. Yes ground floor is ground floor,1st floor(Where they live)Is next one up,then 2nd,3rd.and so on. You will notice,there is no lift (Elevator) Good job they don,t live in the penthouse. If he did glue them together,would the gripper arm still pick them up? P.S.I am not thinking of trying It. Kind Regards. Jack UK. -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:40 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 270528454368 --- On Tue, 2/9/10, jacjon@talktalk.net wrote: > Just thought you would like to learn how to adapt your > Juke,to play > only the A,side of a record. > Visit EBay--270528454368.And read description. > You "Learn" something every day. I wonder if he actually glued them together? BTW, what do you guys call the ground floor? Floor 0? :-) I worked in a building once where the elevator (lift) had two floors labelled "L" and "P". Everyone assumed that that meant "Lobby" and "Parking". No! In the twisted mind of the building's owner, it meant "Lower" and "Plaza". People were always pressing "L", and ending up in the garage, and reporting trouble with the elevator to bulding management. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 08:17:48 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 9 08:18:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 In-Reply-To: <309703.35077.qm@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <446448.62744.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> OK--"Code A" may be a problem if not updated--Do you have Tony Miller's SHP Book? Look at the driver board -what is the value of R-76, and R-99 ? Look at the cap adjoining it--is it there, or is it a blank hole ?? Are four of the oins on the plug jumpered directly to the PCB ? Ron --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 5:09 AM It is an SHP 1 code A. Sending twice you say? That must be as annoying as hell. Sorry, I'll try to figure out why. Thanks for letting me know. On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:47 AM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, What model amp is it ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Cc: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 4:42 PM Ron, I'm attaching the + lead of my multimeter to the base of Q5125 and the - lead to the base of Q5127 for the left channel and adjusting the pot through a hole in the chassis. On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, How/where are you reading the bias ????Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 08:21:14 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 9 08:22:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 270528454368 In-Reply-To: <8CC77A465287E49-17C-27470@FRR4-L26./f> Message-ID: <740544.58092.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Wonderful--wonderful--but she did not specify what type of glue should be used. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/9/10, jacjon@talktalk.net wrote: From: jacjon@talktalk.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] 270528454368 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 5:39 AM Hi Chaps. Just thought you would like to learn how to adapt your Juke,to play only the A,side of a record. Visit EBay--270528454368.And read description. You "Learn" something every day. Regards. Jack UK. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 08:22:34 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 9 08:23:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 In-Reply-To: <194671.73631.qm@web88104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46512.16990.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> OK--give me PCB numbers--and let' take this off list-- ronnnrich@yahoo.com? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:01 AM Ron, I took the model # from the wrong amp. It's actually an SHP3 code C. Not sure if the pc boards are the originals but that's what is stamped on the chassis. The SHP 1 code A is working fine. Mauro On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:47 AM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, What model amp is it ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Paint for '75 Seeburg SB-100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Cc: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 4:42 PM Ron, I'm attaching the + lead of my multimeter to the base of Q5125 and the - lead to the base of Q5127 for the left channel and adjusting the pot through a hole in the chassis. On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: Mauro, How/where are you reading the bias ????Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinball at telus.net Tue Feb 9 09:57:08 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Feb 9 09:58:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 270528454368 In-Reply-To: <8CC77A465287E49-17C-27470@FRR4-L26./f> References: <8CC77A465287E49-17C-27470@FRR4-L26./f> Message-ID: <4B71A1F4.1000208@telus.net> jacjon@talktalk.net wrote: > Hi Chaps. > Just thought you would like to learn how to adapt your Juke,to play > only the A,side of a record. > Visit EBay--270528454368.And read description. > You "Learn" something every day. > Regards. > Jack UK. > Sticking two records together is not news - you can get away with it in most jukeboxes (only thin ones in Seeburgs), however GLUING them together is usually not required. You can use very thin double sided tape if they slip, and you don't mind possibly wreaking the labels. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Feb 9 10:15:34 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Feb 9 10:16:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech Message-ID: Tri Flow in a little black bottle at any ACE hardware store for about $4. The stuff is amazing. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Feb 9 10:23:08 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Feb 9 10:24:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2410s selection Message-ID: Is there credit established? You need credit to power the latch solenoid. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Feb 9 10:25:29 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Feb 9 10:26:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 48350-1A amp hum Message-ID: No. I'm talking about inside the amplifier itself. There's a spade lug terminal inside strip where all the circuit boards and such inside are grounded. You can't miss it, there's like 5 or 6 black wires that lead to it. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Feb 9 10:34:25 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Feb 9 10:35:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] re: W 1250 plays record too fast Message-ID: Perhaps whatever you played them on previously was a little slower? "Too fast" and "too fast for my taste" are two different things. You can print out a strobe disc from the internet and take a look. http://www.vinylengine.com/strobe-discs.shtml I know about club mixing. I was one of the best known DJs in the Detroit/Chicago areas all through the 1990s and was one of the first to beat match CDs. I also have done my own remixes. I still do a few gigs each year. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From rudymart at charter.net Tue Feb 9 10:47:55 2010 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Tue Feb 9 11:06:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s selection Message-ID: <837E05C3B84A44D3B51A6CA8D080AEBA@luluPC> kyle if the select button is lit means that credit is established then the answer is yes. if not then I don't know. but like I said the only thing I did was was change the trip lever. rudy From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 11:25:07 2010 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Tue Feb 9 11:26:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? Message-ID: <109269.51823.qm@web110801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I just read Jim Alexander's fine piece on how to properly select or repair speakers for a jukebox application. His article made me think about the Seeburg HF100R I currently have in the shop for restoration. I'm a stickler for originality. However, In most cases when dealing with my customers, I am the ONLY one that is. That's not saying that many of my clients don't appreciate originality in their machines, because they certainly do. I think a lot of the work I get stems from my reputation of being extreme to the point of near obsession when it comes to detailing my restorations to make things look as factory-original as possible. That said, I will add that this HF100R we have in the shop now has had its original speakers liberated years ago. In their place look to be rather cheap and generic units. I'm now wondering if I should replace these speakers with high grade models, instead of the set of original Seeburg HF100R speakers that I had originally intended to re-install. When it comes down to it, my customer will appreciate the greater sound quality of new speakers. I'm the only one who would appreciate the original drivers. What is the consensus as far as make and models of great performing speakers to go into an HF100R restoration? Obviously, the reason for replacing them would only be to improve the sound and power efficiency, otherwise I'd just use good originals which are still very easy to find. What kind specifications would a set of new speakers have, as far as wattages and ohms? Regards, John Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland From ksherwin at execpc.com Tue Feb 9 11:51:46 2010 From: ksherwin at execpc.com (Karl Sherwin) Date: Tue Feb 9 11:52:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? References: <109269.51823.qm@web110801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b501caa9c1$50225510$6401a8c0@KARL> Hi John, For what its worth, I have a W1900 that I experimented with more modern and even some 60's vintage HiFi speakers. It was well worth the effort as I liked the sound of the replacement speakers. As Jim pointed out, the woofers that have a very low free air resonance which are designed for a small sealed box, will not give you the bass response you're expecting in the open enclosure of a jukebox . The W1900 used two 12" woofers and one 12" midrange. I pulled the midrange first to get rid of the pronounced midrange, and replaced it with a 12" HiFi woofer. I also augmented the existing tweeters with newer dome style types, mounted in front of the woofers. Not elegant, and not perfect from a Hi Fi standpoint, but they sound nice and no one can see them. I also had an external 15" speaker in a 50's styled corner enclosure that really gave some good solid bass. Also, in the case of my 1900, the 12" speaker I replaced was a 8 ohm unit, but the original was 16 ohm. What I did to match them is to use an audio amp output transformer that I had as an autotransformer to match the impedances. I can make a drawing if you'd like. Thanks, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Automatic Music" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? >I just read Jim Alexander's fine piece on how to properly select or repair >speakers for a jukebox application. His article made me think about the >Seeburg HF100R I currently have in the shop for restoration. > > I'm a stickler for originality. However, In most cases when dealing with > my customers, I am the ONLY one that is. That's not saying that many of my > clients don't appreciate originality in their machines, because they > certainly do. I think a lot of the work I get stems from my reputation of > being extreme to the point of near obsession when it comes to detailing my > restorations to make things look as factory-original as possible. > > That said, I will add that this HF100R we have in the shop now has had its > original speakers liberated years ago. In their place look to be rather > cheap and generic units. I'm now wondering if I should replace these > speakers with high grade models, instead of the set of original Seeburg > HF100R speakers that I had originally intended to re-install. > > When it comes down to it, my customer will appreciate the greater sound > quality of new speakers. I'm the only one who would appreciate the > original drivers. > > What is the consensus as far as make and models of great performing > speakers to go into an HF100R restoration? Obviously, the reason for > replacing them would only be to improve the sound and power efficiency, > otherwise I'd just use good originals which are still very easy to find. > What kind specifications would a set of new speakers have, as far as > wattages and ohms? > > Regards, > > John Rutoskey > Automatic Music Machines > Baltimore, Maryland > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 14:50:31 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 9 14:51:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 48350-1A amp hum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <694391.96542.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle, Aren't they green/yellow wires ??? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 48350-1A amp hum To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 10:25 AM No. I'm talking about inside the amplifier itself. There's a spade lug terminal inside strip where all the circuit boards and such inside are grounded.? You can't miss it, there's like 5 or 6 black wires that lead to it. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Tue Feb 9 14:39:58 2010 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue Feb 9 15:03:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 270528454368 References: <740544.58092.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <85B3B2E3B20C414FB651B8B5F0344D8F@ownere70d47d70> i did this on an AMI R-94 i use for testing in my shop - with the R-94 you can set auto play to play the a side and then the b side. Its great background music when i am working out there - i used a hot glue gun. Needless to say i didn't glue anything rare. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 270528454368 > Wonderful--wonderful--but she did not specify what type of glue should be > used. Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, jacjon@talktalk.net wrote: > > From: jacjon@talktalk.net > Subject: [Jukebox-list] 270528454368 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 5:39 AM > > Hi Chaps. > Just thought you would like to learn how to adapt your Juke,to play > only the A,side of a record. > Visit EBay--270528454368.And read description. > You "Learn" something every day. > Regards. > Jack UK. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 15:02:51 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 9 15:03:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? In-Reply-To: <109269.51823.qm@web110801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <210710.37067.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, IMHO, the original speakers are ALWAYS best--The phono cabinet, as well as the whole sound system, in most cases, was designed around those speakers, by the factory.? I have heard R's that sounded fantastic to me, and those that sounded "less" to me. Anytime I bother to investigate why, I find that the speakers have been "up-graded"-- I have come to the conclusion that like beauty, audio is in the eye (OK--ear ? maybe "tin ear") of the beholder.? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Automatic Music wrote: From: Automatic Music Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 11:25 AM I just read Jim Alexander's fine piece on how to properly select or repair speakers for a jukebox application. His article made me think about the Seeburg HF100R I currently have in the shop for restoration. I'm a stickler for originality. However, In most cases when dealing with my customers, I am the ONLY one that is. That's not saying that many of my clients don't appreciate originality in their machines, because they certainly do. I think a lot of the work I get stems from my reputation of being extreme to the point of near obsession when it comes to detailing my restorations to make things look as factory-original as possible. That said, I will add that this HF100R we have in the shop now has had its original speakers liberated years ago. In their place look to be rather cheap and generic units. I'm now wondering if I should replace these speakers with high grade models, instead of the set of original Seeburg HF100R speakers that I had originally intended to re-install. When it comes down to it, my customer will appreciate the greater sound quality of new speakers. I'm the only one who would appreciate the original drivers. What is the consensus as far as make and models of great performing speakers to go into an HF100R restoration? Obviously, the reason for replacing them would only be to improve the sound and power efficiency, otherwise I'd just use good originals which are still very easy to find. What kind specifications would a set of new speakers have, as far as wattages and ohms? Regards, John Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Feb 9 15:26:26 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Feb 9 15:27:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Darn Seeburg AY160. Acting up. Message-ID: Dilemma, I have this AY that's supposed to get used as a working stage prop Starting the 25th, but to be picked up this weekend. OK, I took the mechanism (mech A) out so I could give the cabinet a good cleaning. Upon returning the mechanism, it tripped sporadically. This is true both of read out and end of record, so it's a trip problem for sure. I have one of the rebuilt-to-solid state Tormats in it. Relay and relay timer are are working. I have continuity in the trip solenoid and end of record switch. I have a spare mechanism (mech B) that's got a stuck clutch (won't scan) but otherwise basically working and functions fine, at least in the end of record reject department. On this one (mech B), I get a 155 V (correct) reading on the top lug of the terminal mech strip that seems to supply the solenoid. On mech A, nothing, yet I show continuity to the pin in the plug (red wire, I believe pin 5). The funny thing is that I don't read anything even on the BACK side of the plug when using mech A. I'm at a loss to find how this 155V is being supplied to the solenoid, although I'm taking a break right now as I took the day off work to deal with this. I suspect I have a broken wire in the cable somewhere, but not sure which one to check. Any suggestions where to search next? I'm headed back down to start doing continuity checks on all the mech wires. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Feb 9 15:49:15 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Feb 9 15:50:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? Message-ID: <20100209.184915.12309.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Ron: I have to politely disagree with you on this opinion. It's probably the safest advice to give to a novice technician who's not familiar with how to interpret speaker specs and line up a good current-generation speaker match to the original drive units. Yes it is very important to line up replacement speaker specs to that of the originals. In a few cases,old drivers are unique---the only solution is to rebuild the originals. (Wurlitzer 12" mid range spkrs come to mind) Too often, I've seen jukebox replacements decided by the counter guy at Radio Shack by simply matching up the spkr size requirements and nothing else...bad way to go. The payoff in replacing the speakers is that today's modern speaker designs/performance are much improved compared to the old ones. In many cases you can be $$$ ahead in buying replacements. (many are Chinese or made offshore) Although matching is important, many original juke speakers are not high-end, high-cost drivers. To me,reconing these mass-produced drivers is akin paying to take your kids' $2 hamster to the vet when he gets sick. A risk that you run in reconing is that the technician can still find original (or near-original) cone kits for your 40+ year old speakers. You can install a dis-similar cone kit that will electrically function, but it will radically change the sound performance of the device. This is what happened to Nigel Pugh, who triggered this discussion thread the other day. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=5d0oCIW8KlddtJtMa-MFKAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 17:55:47 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Feb 9 17:56:48 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. In-Reply-To: <103279.62411.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <759932.19261.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Ron Rich wrote: > Somehow after > that the German "Wurlitzer" grabbed the Seeburg.com site, > and it would re-direct you to their site. Then it went > "dead".--I have not attempted it since Gibson picked up the > jukebox maker. whois says gibson still owns it, but there doesn't seem to be a DNS entry for it. I tried to grab it when that guy went under, but Wurlitzer I think beat me to it by scant minutes. Damn! :-) From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Feb 9 18:06:23 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Feb 9 18:07:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. Message-ID: If Wurlitzer had the Seeburg.com, then it makes sense that Gibson inherited it since they own Wurlitzer now, at least Wurlitzer USA. Perhaps they unwittingly, or stupidly, let Seeburg.com expire since it's not registered any more. I left at least two phone messages with their parts department 5 or 6 months ago and a couple emails - no reply. Maybe it's better now but they have/had crap for customer service. All I wanted to do was buy a couple pilaster parts for a 1015 OMT and was inquiring how to go about it. None of the regional distributors seemed to be in business any more. No reply after 4 or 5 attempts. Now I have someone calling about an OMT with a supposedly bad computer and I don't know what to tell them. I suppose I could try again. Not a good way to do business. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From lavin at cheqnet.net Tue Feb 9 18:34:07 2010 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Tue Feb 9 18:36:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Regatta V.I.P. parts Message-ID: Hi- I had a chance to take a closer look at the Regatta VIP cd juke I picked up last week, it was supposed to be missing the selection key pad( wich it is) but I noticed the rack for the cd's is gone also. The cd player is there, but no place to put the CD's. Anyone know where I could find spare part's for this orphan, I did see a keypad on ebay-but the seller wont pull it from the parts box he has, even if I won the bid on it. I dont want the whole juke carcass.. his was stripped out. from what I have read on the internet,this is supossed to be a very nice sounding jukebox. Thanks-Dennis ~ Jukeboxdenny From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Feb 9 18:48:47 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Feb 9 18:49:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Darn Seeburg AY160. Acting up. Unnerving follow up. Message-ID: Now ain't this the way things always go (they do for me, lately, anyway)? Read on! So, to me a broken jukebox isn't a reason to take a day off of work. I don't play hooky will-nilly. Not that big of a deal since only one patient was on the schedule as of yesterday and we usually see 12-20. So... I spend all day tracking down a problem - when I should have just changed the coil in the first place (oh, I hate to unsolder original connections and didn't want to ruin the spare if there was another issue), only to get an email just now that they can't pick it up this weekend and wondered if next would be OK. I had to call the doctor that I work with and tell him the sad, sad story. We both got a chuckle out of it. He's quite aware of the (grammatically incorrect) "me and the jukeboxes" thing, though, since my W3200 is in our office and he buys records and makes title strips for it. It's just sad because I WAS actually going to take a few hours off this morning and clean the carburetor in my 1963 VW that's been acting up, and today was the first nice sunny day we've had in weeks. Didn't get to that, nope. ...and all for someone who changed their mind (Keeping in mind I'm loaning these free of charge). Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 19:55:36 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 9 19:56:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? In-Reply-To: <20100209.184915.12309.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <424101.31102.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, No even slight dis-agreement here at all--you are correct. What I poorly attempted to point out was that I have heard "nightmare replacement speakers" to my ears, and the owner has just been so proud of the sound----Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/9/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:49 PM Ron: I have to politely disagree with you on this opinion. It's probably the safest advice to give to a novice technician who's not familiar with how to interpret speaker specs and line up a good current-generation speaker match to the original drive units. Yes it is very important to line up replacement speaker specs to that of the originals. In a few cases,old drivers are unique---the only solution is to rebuild the originals. (Wurlitzer 12" mid range spkrs come to mind) Too often, I've seen jukebox replacements decided by the counter guy at Radio Shack by simply matching up the spkr size requirements and nothing else...bad way to go. The payoff in replacing the speakers is that today's modern speaker designs/performance are much improved compared to the old ones. In many cases you can be $$$ ahead in buying replacements. (many are Chinese or made offshore)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Although matching is important, many original juke speakers are not high-end, high-cost drivers.? To me,reconing these mass-produced drivers is akin paying to take your kids' $2 hamster to the vet when he gets sick. A risk that you run in reconing is that the technician can still find original (or near-original) cone kits for your 40+ year old speakers. You can install a dis-similar cone kit that will electrically function, but it will radically change the sound performance of the device.???This is what happened to Nigel Pugh, who triggered this discussion thread the other day.? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=5d0oCIW8KlddtJtMa-MFKAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From steve.lane at dishmail.net Tue Feb 9 20:29:48 2010 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Tue Feb 9 20:30:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? In-Reply-To: <109269.51823.qm@web110801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <109269.51823.qm@web110801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <61088cf91002092029m6a4904aesd6e4462a561be05@mail.gmail.com> I would like to read that article. I can't seem to find it here. Can you tell me where you read it? Thanks On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Automatic Music wrote: > I just read Jim Alexander's fine piece on how to properly select or repair > speakers for a jukebox application. His article made me think about the > Seeburg HF100R I currently have in the shop for restoration. > > I'm a stickler for originality. However, In most cases when dealing with my > customers, I am the ONLY one that is. That's not saying that many of my > clients don't appreciate originality in their machines, because they > certainly do. I think a lot of the work I get stems from my reputation of > being extreme to the point of near obsession when it comes to detailing my > restorations to make things look as factory-original as possible. > > That said, I will add that this HF100R we have in the shop now has had its > original speakers liberated years ago. In their place look to be rather > cheap and generic units. I'm now wondering if I should replace these > speakers with high grade models, instead of the set of original Seeburg > HF100R speakers that I had originally intended to re-install. > > When it comes down to it, my customer will appreciate the greater sound > quality of new speakers. I'm the only one who would appreciate the original > drivers. > > What is the consensus as far as make and models of great performing > speakers to go into an HF100R restoration? Obviously, the reason for > replacing them would only be to improve the sound and power efficiency, > otherwise I'd just use good originals which are still very easy to find. > What kind specifications would a set of new speakers have, as far as > wattages and ohms? > > Regards, > > John Rutoskey > Automatic Music Machines > Baltimore, Maryland > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Feb 9 20:56:10 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Feb 9 20:57:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg" touch screen conversion kit. Message-ID: <20100209.235610.3387.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Kyle: Deutsche-Wurlitzer provides a pretty good level of service to their customers via their distributor network. The manufacturer will not normally sell parts or provide tech support directly to a customer or independent tech unless the session is arranged through a distributor. Some distributors stock and provide backup electronic units (amp chassis, SCC units) on a repair/exchange basis for minimal machine downtime. If you go to www.wurlitzer-jukebox.com, this will take you to Gibson's Wurlitzer site. There is a page you can open there listing all the distributors/addresses in the US and Canada. If your prospective OMT service call has a defective SCC chassis or amplifier, Wurlitzer's factory service will usually turn the repair around in about 10 working days for very reasonable prices. The operating protocol for the SCC unit was updated in 1996 and is not backwards compatible to the older units. Jukes built before 1996 have beige colored amp chassis and SCC units. The recent ones are black in color. Fact.repairs/parts are available for either generation of equipment. Wurlitzer will not accept chassis for repair sent directly by a customer--must be submitted or ordered in advance (RA-return authorization) via an authorized distributor. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=eyJppQMDFP4W30QfsBZDwQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Feb 9 21:05:48 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Feb 9 21:08:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? Message-ID: <20100210.000548.3387.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I wrote 2 specific answers to both Nigel Pugh (UK) (spkr for AMI Conti I) and John Rutoskey (Seeb HF100R) regarding correct,properly-performing speaker choices and making value judgments as to whether you should recone the old devices. The articles were pretty lengthy and contained PDF attachments. (spkr specs, pictures,response curves,etc) The articles were emailed directly to the end-users, as they got bounced from the juke-list due to length. Max space for an email on the list is 22KB. I can send this article out directly to anyone requesting it. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=gPKj0SL0jP4kEc8OyOYauwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From ksherwin at execpc.com Tue Feb 9 21:22:27 2010 From: ksherwin at execpc.com (Karl Sherwin) Date: Tue Feb 9 21:23:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? References: <20100210.000548.3387.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <00e601caaa11$092c3ae0$6401a8c0@KARL> Hi Jim, Could you send those articles to me? Thanks, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? Gentlemen: I wrote 2 specific answers to both Nigel Pugh (UK) (spkr for AMI Conti I) and John Rutoskey (Seeb HF100R) regarding correct,properly-performing speaker choices and making value judgments as to whether you should recone the old devices. The articles were pretty lengthy and contained PDF attachments. (spkr specs, pictures,response curves,etc) The articles were emailed directly to the end-users, as they got bounced from the juke-list due to length. Max space for an email on the list is 22KB. I can send this article out directly to anyone requesting it. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=gPKj0SL0jP4kEc8OyOYauwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From amej at ix.netcom.com Tue Feb 9 20:57:07 2010 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Tue Feb 9 21:49:28 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: was, AMI G Mech > Tri Flow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B723CA3.1060001@ix.netcom.com> I have been using Tri Flow for about 10 years on the medical equipment I service. Oil is a contaminant, so I found Tri Flow at an independent hardware wholesaler. You're right, it has 1,000 uses. I use it on the A/B selectors of my AMI-Rowe R-74. I like it better than dry Teflon spray lubricant. Dick Habegger Phelan, CA On 11:59 AM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > Tri Flow in a little black bottle at any ACE hardware store for about $4. > The stuff is amazing. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > From rincewind at eftel.net.au Wed Feb 10 01:18:36 2010 From: rincewind at eftel.net.au (Paul Curtis) Date: Wed Feb 10 01:44:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? References: <20100210.000548.3387.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <468FE99E8C44410980F5C90C9B516322@DAD> I would be interested in reading your articles. thankyou Paul Curtis ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? Gentlemen: I wrote 2 specific answers to both Nigel Pugh (UK) (spkr for AMI Conti I) and John Rutoskey (Seeb HF100R) regarding correct,properly-performing speaker choices and making value judgments as to whether you should recone the old devices. The articles were pretty lengthy and contained PDF attachments. (spkr specs, pictures,response curves,etc) The articles were emailed directly to the end-users, as they got bounced from the juke-list due to length. Max space for an email on the list is 22KB. I can send this article out directly to anyone requesting it. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=gPKj0SL0jP4kEc8OyOYauwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4852 (20100209) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 10 04:57:13 2010 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Wed Feb 10 04:58:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tri-Flow was AMI G Mech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <995980.43381.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I too have used Tri-Flow for years. So far no adverse results just works great. We had a grandfather clock that was about 20 years old. We bought it new. Clock guy said "got to have a new movement" (seems like they always say that to me). I lube it with a tiny drop of Tri-Flow on the bushings every couple years and it has been running perfectly for the past 10 years. I have used it on mechanical clocks and even watches as well. I was a bit concerned about using it on jukeboxes but maybe I should try it. David (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > From: Mechanical Music of S.F. > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G Mech > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 11:15 AM > > Tri Flow in a little black bottle at any ACE hardware store > for about $4. > The stuff is amazing. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > ??? > ???????? > ?????? ??? > ? > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM > protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 10 07:20:12 2010 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Bud Wintermantel) Date: Wed Feb 10 07:28:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? In-Reply-To: <20100210.000548.3387.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <9006.55622.qm@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim, I would also like a copy. Many Thanks Bud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise --- On Tue, 2/9/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 9:05 PM Gentlemen: I wrote 2 specific answers to both Nigel Pugh (UK) (spkr for AMI Conti I) and John Rutoskey (Seeb HF100R)? regarding correct,properly-performing speaker choices and making value judgments as to whether you should recone the old devices. The articles were pretty lengthy and contained PDF attachments.? (spkr specs, pictures,response curves,etc) The articles were emailed directly to the end-users, as they got bounced from the juke-list due to length.???Max space for an email on the list is 22KB. I can send this article out directly to anyone requesting it. JIm Alexander? ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=gPKj0SL0jP4kEc8OyOYauwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Wed Feb 10 10:02:50 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Feb 10 10:03:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? In-Reply-To: <20100210.000548.3387.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100210.000548.3387.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4B72F4CA.4020902@west.net> James Alexander wrote: > > Gentlemen: > > > I wrote 2 specific answers to both Nigel Pugh (UK) (spkr for AMI Conti I) and John Rutoskey (Seeb HF100R) regarding correct,properly-performing speaker choices and making value judgments as to whether you should recone the old devices. > The articles were pretty lengthy and contained PDF attachments. (spkr specs, pictures,response curves,etc) Jim, how about posting the PDFs to a file sharing service and linking to them in a post here. If you don't have access to one, send them to me and I'll put them up for you. If you got the PDFs from an online source, link to the source. The reason for the limitation on attachments is due to incoming mailbox size restrictions on some members causing bounces, storage for archives, etc. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From steve.lane at dishmail.net Wed Feb 10 12:26:08 2010 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Wed Feb 10 12:27:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? In-Reply-To: <9006.55622.qm@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20100210.000548.3387.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> <9006.55622.qm@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <61088cf91002101226h76ae2007x53469adcd6ff3f70@mail.gmail.com> Jim, Could you send me a copy when you have a chance? Thanks Steve Lane On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Bud Wintermantel wrote: > Jim, > I would also like a copy. > Many Thanks > Bud > Magalia Ca. > Beyond Paradise > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, James Alexander wrote: > > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 9:05 PM > > > > > Gentlemen: > > > I wrote 2 specific answers to both Nigel Pugh (UK) (spkr for AMI Conti I) > and John Rutoskey (Seeb HF100R) regarding correct,properly-performing > speaker choices and making value judgments as to whether you should recone > the old devices. > The articles were pretty lengthy and contained PDF attachments. (spkr > specs, pictures,response curves,etc) > > The articles were emailed directly to the end-users, as they got bounced > from the juke-list due to length. Max space for an email on the list is > 22KB. > > I can send this article out directly to anyone requesting it. > > JIm Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Nutrition > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=gPKj0SL0jP4kEc8OyOYauwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From renogames at ymail.com Wed Feb 10 13:13:04 2010 From: renogames at ymail.com (Reno Games) Date: Wed Feb 10 13:20:47 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with my first juke - Wurlitzer 2800 Message-ID: <772403.77737.qm@web111807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I picked up my first juke about 3 months ago and am finally getting around to working on it. I have about 3 years of experience repairing arcade and pinball machine but when I look inside the back of this thing, I'm a little overwhelmed. I picked up a manual off ebay, and have new tubes and a capacitor kit on it's way. I'm just looking for advice on what steps to take getting this this going again. I have yet to plug it in, but it is missing 2 tubes, so I figure I shouldn't. Any advice is welcomed. Pictures are located here: http://s893.photobucket.com/albums/ac140/renogameswebs/Juke/ Thanks, Beau From TUBADON40 at aol.com Wed Feb 10 14:03:24 2010 From: TUBADON40 at aol.com (TUBADON40@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 10 14:10:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need W-1015 refinishing advice Message-ID: <133f9.3f41c3f6.38a4872c@aol.com> I have a 1946 Wurlitzer model 1015 that has been completely stripped and is ready to refinish. It appears to be a walnut veneer. A few chips at the bottom will have to be repaired and I would like to know the procedures for making small patches for them. The main finish I want to know what to use and how to apply. Also the Mechanism board had a nice shiny finish. Does it use the same as the outside of cabinet? The Door seems to have a different kind of wood and will be done later after metal plateing. A link or reference to someone that has done this will be appreciated as I want to do it correctly for this machine. Don From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Feb 10 14:35:31 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Feb 10 14:38:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? Message-ID: <20100210.173531.8803.5@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Jay: If you're interested in these emails, the simplest thing for me to do is to transmit them to you using your off-list address. Several others on the list asked me to forward the emails to them, which I've been able to do successfully. I downloaded speaker spec. pages from the manufacturers' internet sites, saved them to "my documents" then posted them as attachments to the emails. I made a second attempt to post the emails to the list without the attachments. I was refused again, probably due to the length of the text Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Dgf8AJF6gBYnWQMnvz3xQAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From pinball at telus.net Wed Feb 10 14:57:17 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Feb 10 14:58:22 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with my first juke - Wurlitzer 2800 In-Reply-To: <772403.77737.qm@web111807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <772403.77737.qm@web111807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B7339CD.7080807@telus.net> Reno Games wrote: > I picked up my first juke about 3 months ago and am finally getting around to working on it. I have about 3 years of experience repairing arcade and pinball machine but when I look inside the back of this thing, I'm a little overwhelmed. I picked up a manual off ebay, and have new tubes and a capacitor kit on it's way. I'm just looking for advice on what steps to take getting this this going again. I have yet to plug it in, but it is missing 2 tubes, so I figure I shouldn't. Any advice is welcomed. > > Pictures are located here: > > http://s893.photobucket.com/albums/ac140/renogameswebs/Juke/ > > Thanks, > Beau > > Clean and adjust all the switches - test the microswitches with an ohm-meter, oil moving parts, check that fuses are correct values, check the power cord - it is probably rotten if original, recap amp before turning on... Lots more, but this would get to the point where you can first turn it on. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Feb 10 14:57:28 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Wed Feb 10 14:58:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock~Ola 494 S2 Control Unit. Message-ID: <847D7BE9C76B46A69483A19504270415@p4> APB...APB..APB.. I think I posted this before with little return. I am in need of an S2 Control Unit for this juke. I have checked the usual sources.too new. Please check your stock..friends stock..even neighbors stock. There has to be one...somewhere...that is not being used. Contact me offlist. Thanks for all the help. Rich From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Feb 10 15:09:21 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Feb 10 15:12:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with my first juke - Wurlitzer 2800 Message-ID: <20100210.180921.8803.6@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hi: Here are a few tips that might help you in your 1964 W2800 restoration. You took a very detailed groupof photos. Before applying 110V power check the value of ALL the fuses to make sure none of the values are oversized for their circuits. There should be 4 fuseholders on the amp chassis, one of the changer control chassis (chassis on the floor of the juke cabinet with the red/white plug in relays) and on the credit accumulator (on left rear sidewall of the jukebox).Replace any that are incorrect. If the power cord is disintegrated you'll need to replace it before applying power. The cabinet lighting plugs into an AC accessory outlet on the amp chassis. You may want to check this circuit separately. The 6973 audio output tubes you're missing (photo # 2 ) are available,but they can be a little difficult to find. Freshly made 6973's are available from tube manufacturer Electro Harmonix at an average cost of $25-30 ea. In your photo #6 one of the pins in the pinbank, at approx the "8'o clock" position is either missing or it fallen into the pin bank. You 'll need to replace the missing pin and spring. Good luck with your restoration job, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Investing Want to work all of your life? Click here for investment information and start saving today. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=bN3iu4IUk0j-3Grz0PaDegAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADZgAAAAA= From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Wed Feb 10 17:23:53 2010 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David G..) Date: Wed Feb 10 17:24:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2710 ry5 relay ratcheting?? Message-ID: I just picked up an "in need" Wurlitzer 2710. Amp has been recapped. Some selection issues. Its doing something strange and I'm in need of a little advice. Powered it up to do some troubleshooting with an "in series light" before the amp. The light glows very faintly while the juke is powered on, but when a pin is released Relay RY-5 (the relay affixed under the amp chassis) chatters. The light blinks brightly while the relay is chattering. All fuses are good. I don't want to try to power this up again for fear of damage. This ring a bell for anybody? Can anyone point me in the right direction please. I have rechecked all the connections. Every thing in the amp looks okay. Even with the lack of selection form the keyboard it should still select from the pinbank. Thanks all, David G... From jay at west.net Wed Feb 10 18:03:11 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Feb 10 18:04:22 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2710 ry5 relay ratcheting?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B73655F.3060509@west.net> David G.. wrote: > I just picked up an "in need" Wurlitzer 2710. Amp has been recapped. Some selection issues. > Its doing something strange and I'm in need of a little advice. > Powered it up to do some troubleshooting with an "in series light" before the amp. > The light glows very faintly while the juke is powered on, but when a pin is released Relay RY-5 (the relay affixed under the amp chassis) chatters. > The light blinks brightly while the relay is chattering. All fuses are good. I don't want to try to power this up > again for fear of damage. This ring a bell for anybody? Can anyone point me in the right direction please. It is probably OK. The voltage drop across the series light bulb varies with the current drawn by the jukebox. When a pin is released the motor tries to start with somewhat lowered voltage due to the series light. The extra current drawn by the motor causes the light to glow brighter, reducing the voltage to the motor, likely never even spinning up from stalled. The lower voltage causes the relay to drop out, removing the power from the motor. Then the lowered current draw causes the light to glow dimmer, the juke has enough voltage to pull in the relay, and the whole thing repeats, hence the chatter. The series light bulb is a good technique to isolate a total short, bring up the voltage on old electrolytics, etc. but not power the whole jukebox unless it's a 300-watt or higher bulb. Motors are less forgiving than amplifiers and electronics when it comes to operating under low voltage such as with a series lamp. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Wed Feb 10 18:42:56 2010 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David G..) Date: Wed Feb 10 18:43:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2710 ry5 relay ratcheting?? In-Reply-To: <4B73655F.3060509@west.net> References: <4B73655F.3060509@west.net> Message-ID: <7FD79FBA80AB4F42AF79EB5925C6D803@DavidPC> Thanks for the advice! Will do some more troubleshooting tomorrow evening. Got just a little more snow to shovel tonight......... David G... -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hennigan" Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:03 PM To: "Jukebox mailing list" Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2710 ry5 relay ratcheting?? > David G.. wrote: >> I just picked up an "in need" Wurlitzer 2710. Amp has been recapped. Some >> selection issues. >> Its doing something strange and I'm in need of a little advice. >> Powered it up to do some troubleshooting with an "in series light" before >> the amp. >> The light glows very faintly while the juke is powered on, but when a pin >> is released Relay RY-5 (the relay affixed under the amp chassis) >> chatters. >> The light blinks brightly while the relay is chattering. All fuses are >> good. I don't want to try to power this up again for fear of damage. >> This ring a bell for anybody? Can anyone point me in the right direction >> please. > > It is probably OK. The voltage drop across the series light bulb varies > with the current drawn by the jukebox. When a pin is released the motor > tries to start with somewhat lowered voltage due to the series light. > > The extra current drawn by the motor causes the light to glow brighter, > reducing the voltage to the motor, likely never even spinning up from > stalled. The lower voltage causes the relay to drop out, removing the > power from the motor. > > Then the lowered current draw causes the light to glow dimmer, the juke > has enough voltage to pull in the relay, and the whole thing repeats, > hence the chatter. > > The series light bulb is a good technique to isolate a total short, bring > up the voltage on old electrolytics, etc. but not power the whole jukebox > unless it's a 300-watt or higher bulb. > > Motors are less forgiving than amplifiers and electronics when it comes to > operating under low voltage such as with a series lamp. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Feb 10 20:01:18 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Feb 10 20:02:18 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with my first juke - Wurlitzer 2800 Message-ID: Smart to pick up a manual. Wurlitzer manuals are notorious for having diagrams a couple pages away from their text and being a little shop-talky. You'll want to go to eBay and order a pair of the drive belts. She ain't never gonna sing without them (yes, a pair - helps control wow and flutter). http://s893.photobucket.com/albums/ac140/renogameswebs/Juke/?action=view¤t=juke010.jpg Here's what they look like installed (these were the old ones, so look a little loose): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Belts%20and%20Title%20Rock/belts.jpg?t=1265860685 There's a trick to installing them I published here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Belts%20and%20Title%20Rock/InstallBelts.jpg?t=1265860605 be careful not to get any grease on them. I slipped a paper towel through with them. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Thu Feb 11 04:55:38 2010 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Thu Feb 11 04:56:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <20100210.180921.8803.6@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100210.180921.8803.6@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <646978.88162.qm@web86705.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, Thank you for sending me your e-mail and attachments concerning the replacement of jukebox loudspeakers, I appreciate the efforts which you have obviously made to gather this all together. I have been in this jukebox hobby for more years that I care to remember and have restored a variety of machines, some of which required loudspeaker replacement so I do have?a bit of?practical experience -?some good, some bad in this area. I have no doubt that you are a very respected audio engineer and I am in no way questioning 99% of what you have written - but I do believe that there is one major flaw in your argument and it centres around this statement "Because your jukebox is a playback device, the speaker system should have a neutral (or near neutral) sound character".? I do not believe this to be always the case.? Taking the AMi Continental as an example, I believe that what most people want is?for the Continental to sound exactly?like it did in 1961.? A?Continental should sound like a Continental, not like a sterile, neutral, modern hi-fi!.? Clearly the best way to achieve this is with?a good?original Jensen loudspeaker?(my Continental has an original Jensen, I believe AMi may have used other speaker manufacturers?as well as Jensen). If the original Jensen speaker is broken or unserviceable, then there is a problem.??There is the re-cone route but typically all that you're left with is the original metal case and magnet, the rest has gone along with the original sound character - and?re-coning costs a not inconsiderable sum (as you have pointed out)!? Speaker technology has moved on a fair bit in 50 years?and a modern equivalent 12 inch loudspeaker does not produce the warm mellow sound of the paper coned units of 50 years ago.? This is why I believe that the Italian repro AlNiCo Jensens (warts and all) are the best available option, certainly that I have heard, if you want an authentic period sound from your?fifties' jukebox; they just have "that sound"! I hope you see my point of view. Norman. From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Feb 11 06:58:33 2010 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Feb 11 06:59:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need W-1015 refinishing advice In-Reply-To: <133f9.3f41c3f6.38a4872c@aol.com> References: <133f9.3f41c3f6.38a4872c@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm in the process of restoring a 1015 myself. It had been previously sprayed with brown spackled paint (what an ugly mess!), but the veneer underneath was in great shape. I used paint stripper and PLASTIC scrapers (not metal as it could gouge the wood). The grooves in the front door are a pain to clean out. A friend of mine is a furniture refinisher and he's done several jukes for me. He uses a lacquer based finish for the top coats. He lightly sands in between each coat, and gets a mirror like finish in the end. On mine he put about 15-20 coats on. It is amazing! I believe the original finish was a high gloss and to me this looks better than a satin finish. The motor board is done with the same top coat. The problem my friend had was finding laquer. It is oil based, and most products are now water based. He managed to locate a supplier at an autobody supply shop who had old stock. For repairing small chips in the veneer, my friend has some veneer remants, and cuts them out to exactly fit the chips. His patches are impossible to detect, and that's why I pay him to do it (instead of me trying). I guess it's a bit of an artform. Yes, I believe the front door is a hardwood like Maple. The bottom of the cabinet, as you open the door, is the same and should be the same colour to match (this maple piece goes all the way around both sides and to the back of the box). I left mine unstained, which I believe is the way it left the factory. If you Google a 1015, you'll find lots of restored examples, but most of them have stained the front door too dark, and also stained the bottom maple part a dark colour to match the side veneer.That's wrong, and just cutting corners. Here is an example of how it is supposed to look: http://www.jukeboxesunlimited.com/wurlitzer1015-loni.html The other decision you'll have to make is whether to stain the trim around the pilasters and "U" shaped grille opening with a darker stain (on the front door). I had mine done with the same colour as the rest of the cabinet, and it really makes the whole door look stunning (it emphasizes the openings). Again, the attached photo shows a stained version. I've seen them both stained and unstained, from the factory. Any comments from someone on the list as to what was original? Hope the above helps you in your project. It's an aweful lot of work, but truly worth the effort. Enjoy. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of TUBADON40@aol.com Sent: 2010, February, 10 5:03 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need W-1015 refinishing advice I have a 1946 Wurlitzer model 1015 that has been completely stripped and is ready to refinish. It appears to be a walnut veneer. A few chips at the bottom will have to be repaired and I would like to know the procedures for making small patches for them. The main finish I want to know what to use and how to apply. Also the Mechanism board had a nice shiny finish. Does it use the same as the outside of cabinet? The Door seems to have a different kind of wood and will be done later after metal plateing. A link or reference to someone that has done this will be appreciated as I want to do it correctly for this machine. Don _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. L?exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s?y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu?il contient par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m?en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 11 08:23:36 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Thu Feb 11 08:24:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Farily low-ball winning bid on a 1015 Message-ID: <469424.91930.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does this winning bid seem a tad low? I thought 1015s went for upwards of $10k. http://cgi.ebay.com/EXCELLENT-1946-WURLITZER-MODEL-1015-JUKEBOX_W0QQitemZ120527649063QQcategoryZ3946QQcmdZViewItem Perhaps a sign of the current times? From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Feb 11 08:32:16 2010 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Feb 11 08:33:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Farily low-ball winning bid on a 1015 In-Reply-To: <469424.91930.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <469424.91930.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Somebody got a good deal. The metal could use replating ($1000+), but the rest of it seems to be in great shape. I noticed this is an early production model, with 5 (not three) lights in the arch. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of NotarySojac Sent: 2010, February, 11 11:24 AM To: Jukebox List Subject: [Jukebox-list] Farily low-ball winning bid on a 1015 Does this winning bid seem a tad low? I thought 1015s went for upwards of $10k. http://cgi.ebay.com/EXCELLENT-1946-WURLITZER-MODEL-1015-JUKEBOX_W0QQitem Z120527649063QQcategoryZ3946QQcmdZViewItem Perhaps a sign of the current times? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. L?exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s?y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu?il contient par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m?en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. From berrycbell at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 08:33:45 2010 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Thu Feb 11 08:35:14 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Farily low-ball winning bid on a 1015 In-Reply-To: <469424.91930.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <469424.91930.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 1015's don't automatically bring upwards of $10k........ but some still do. I think this one brought significantly less due to poor pictures, poor description, no mention of coin grinder, no pictures of the cabinet, etc. If it indeed was a nice machine and information was divulged in direct emails with the high bidder and or more pictures that gave a better indication of the quality of the machine, then the high bidder got a helluva deal. It does appear to be an early 1015 with the 5 arch light set-up. Berry On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:23 AM, NotarySojac wrote: > Does this winning bid seem a tad low? I thought 1015s went for upwards of > $10k. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/EXCELLENT-1946-WURLITZER-MODEL-1015-JUKEBOX_W0QQitemZ120527649063QQcategoryZ3946QQcmdZViewItem > > Perhaps a sign of the current times? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Feb 11 08:42:35 2010 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Feb 11 08:43:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Farily low-ball winning bid on a 1015 References: <469424.91930.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601caab39$37763620$3de14109@IBMCamargo> At least the arch is 'early'... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berry Bell" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Farily low-ball winning bid on a 1015 > 1015's don't automatically bring upwards of $10k........ but some still > do. > I think this one brought significantly less due to poor pictures, poor > description, no mention of coin grinder, no pictures of the cabinet, etc. > If it indeed was a nice machine and information was divulged in direct > emails with the high bidder and or more pictures that gave a better > indication of the quality of the machine, then the high bidder got a > helluva > deal. It does appear to be an early 1015 with the 5 arch light set-up. > > Berry > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:23 AM, NotarySojac > wrote: > >> Does this winning bid seem a tad low? I thought 1015s went for upwards of >> $10k. >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/EXCELLENT-1946-WURLITZER-MODEL-1015-JUKEBOX_W0QQitemZ120527649063QQcategoryZ3946QQcmdZViewItem >> >> Perhaps a sign of the current times? >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 08:50:01 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 11 08:51:10 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Farily low-ball winning bid on a 1015 In-Reply-To: <469424.91930.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <445537.33343.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, Maybe the winner "got one heck of a deal"--maybe the seller "took it on the chin" --maybe the juke is in "excellent condition"--by the seller's standards--maybe not by the buyers--I would need to stand next any jukebox, and access it's value for myself--and I think that anyone purchasing one "sight unseen"is foolish, given my experience with those units I have been called on to repair--? ('Course, I need to admit that if it's in good shape, I won't be called upon--)? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/11/10, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] Farily low-ball winning bid on a 1015 To: "Jukebox List" Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 8:23 AM Does this winning bid seem a tad low? I thought 1015s went for upwards of $10k. http://cgi.ebay.com/EXCELLENT-1946-WURLITZER-MODEL-1015-JUKEBOX_W0QQitemZ120527649063QQcategoryZ3946QQcmdZViewItem Perhaps a sign of the current times? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 11 09:41:48 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Thu Feb 11 09:42:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan pix needed Message-ID: <396941.90964.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Gang, The guys who are doing the cabinet repairs for my Trashcan asked if I could send them pix of what a good, non-damaged cabinet would look like. They need them as a reference/guide as to what to shoot for. So, I appeal to you Trashcan owners to take some snaps of your wooden cabinet and either post them to an online photo store or email them directly to me. What we need in particular are closeups of the upper part of the cabinet. This is where the lower vertical veneer meets with the upper horizontal veneer, separated by a wooden 'bead'. Pix of the dome lid ring and lower veneer wouldn't hurt either. TIA for help in this regard. Bob - Chicago NotarySojac@SBCGlobal.net From steve at pro-ns.net Thu Feb 11 09:52:36 2010 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Thu Feb 11 09:53:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Farily low-ball winning bid on a 1015 In-Reply-To: <469424.91930.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <469424.91930.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100211175236.GB9764@pro-ns.net> Nobody mentioned the low seller feedback number (14, 5 as a seller). He's got 100% positive but is relatively new, not a well-established seller. I'm not sure how much that affects the resulting price, but I'm guessing it has some effect, because it's one thing I personally look at when I'm considering purchasing something on ebay. It's is double edged sword; sometimes I think maybe I'll get a really good deal if other factors make it seem to be worth the risk. I also look at the feedback when evaluating prices in completed auctions; often if a price looks like it was too good to be true, it is often correlated with a low feedback number. (*I'm* not that experienced either, I have an 18 feedback with 0 experience as a seller.) --> Steve On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 08:23:36AM -0800, NotarySojac wrote: > Does this winning bid seem a tad low? I thought 1015s went for upwards of $10k. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/EXCELLENT-1946-WURLITZER-MODEL-1015-JUKEBOX_W0QQitemZ120527649063QQcategoryZ3946QQcmdZViewItem > > Perhaps a sign of the current times? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Feb 11 09:51:33 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Feb 11 09:54:08 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement Message-ID: <20100211.125133.4670.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Norm: I believe you are misinterpreting some of the opinion I offered in this letter. A playback system is normally built with neutral sounding speaker drivers, as it has to sound good no matter what the program content is was an engineering goal back in the 50's 60's, whenever your favorite juke was designed. The providers of 12 and 15" speakers had numerous (now there are hundreds) of cone types designed to offer specific audio responses for given applications in certain baffles. If you've visited www.jensentone.com you can see that there are a wide variety of relatively similar 12 " speakers being offered--they only differ in the cone structure to produce a specific mid range tone to meet the sound desired by guitarists in certain speaker cabinets. A speaker that sounds great for guitar or bass may sound unusual if you're playing a piano-based song. Jensen's apparent market base is selling replacement speakers to musicians--most of their OEM models to the electronics industry aren't offered anymore. The speaker cone assemblies ordered by the jukebox companies typically had a flat response, augmented by either cone or horn type high frequency drivers. The most popular Jensen speaker type back then was called a C12R and was frequently installed in RockOla's, some AMI's and some Wurlitzer product. Wurlitzer was ordering a "special design" taut mid range cone assembly from Jensen. The speakers used an AlNiCo magnet structure as that was the best, most cost effective way to build a speaker frame then. It's my understanding that the costs of mining Cobalt zoomed way up circa 1970, causing almost all US speaker manufacturers to adopt ceramic magnet alternatives in order to remain price competetive. The next technology wave introduced a neodymium type magnet, which allows a lighter weight,less massive magnet to be used. For multi-speaker cabinets, this reduces bulk and weight for large systems that either need to be suspended or transported. The "new" Jensen (Sica) builds speakers with all 3 magnet styles. I've never found any quantitative data that supports the fact that an AlNiCo magnet produces different sound result than the ceramic element magnet does. This "old wives' tale" seems to come from the handful of speaker makers world-wide who still offer an AlNiCo product for sale, needing to justify the higher AlNiCo sell price. I understand the appeal of trying to keep a classic piece of equipment like a jukebox as original as possible. Consider this---If you have usable original AlNiCo speaker structures, and you decide to have your speakers reconed, the recone tech is going to install the newly-manufactured cone kit ,made with newer materials,using modern manufacturing techniques into your speaker frame. If the replacement cone kit has the same propertties as the original, it will sound similar. If another type of cone kit gets installed, the speaker will electrically operate but will sound different than original. (there is one company serving the recone industry that makes "universal" cone kit replacements--this is typically where reconers go to find replacement kits for obsolete speaker manufacturers,like the electrodynamic models) The inference that I pick up from many juke enthusiasts on the list is that most are watching their budgets when rebuilding a project. I'm suggesting suitable replacement drivers that offer original-level or improved performance, generally at a price level that's less than reconing. There are others that feel the need to keep it original--technological improvements and price be damned. I've also seen "rebuild" jobs where people have removed the original record changer,electronics of a jukebox,replacing them with MP3 or CD players and new amps. To me, that's not a rebuild. In the rebuilds that I do, I'm a firm advocate in updating phono cartridge technology (the records are a disappearing resource) speaker technology and on a few occasions, improvements to tone control circuits in amplifiers. All such changes are documented (customer gets a schematic detailing the differences in case a future repairman has to get into the circuit) and are welcomed by the buyer. I have a small handful of customers who wish to keep everything original and I honor their requests. I ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=14QeqKyJZ4VwDS4Ry_FmCQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Feb 11 11:46:26 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Feb 11 11:47:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along Message-ID: <3C45E354-B0AA-4301-8737-919DE97865A3@verizon.net> Hi to all, I wanted to post the link to my Gallery of Pics for the AMI G80 Restoration. I put all AMI pics into one Gallery and broke them down into different aspects of the process of restoration. The most exciting is the AMI Mech folder, with the newest pics at the top of the page. Today, I am happy to say, I put the Mech, record racks, turntable cover and all that new, fancy wiring back on the Mech Tray and gave the turntable a spin in an extension cord....It runs smooth and whisper quiet! Everything looks great and there are a few things left to take care of on the Mech. I need to replace the needle brush, I want to Flock the Turntable and I need to decide what to do about the decals on the sides of the Turntable Cover. For all of you reading this, I am sure all this could have been accomplished in a day, this took me from Friday of last week until this afternoon to finish to this point....6 days!!! We had 34" of snow on Saturday and another 20" yesterday....so all day and evening I took advantage of not being able to work and just dove into this Mech. It was wonderful fun and I have to thank everyone for their phone calls, emails and encouragement......Mel, Aaron, Gary, Brad, Ron, David, and the list goes on. A wonderful group of people that if I have forgotten anyone, please let me know! I have learned so much on this Jukebox. I have to say I have the most understanding husband too. lol My next attack is the Cabinet. I need some dry weather so I can drag that outside and start sanding and applying new Veneer. Until the weather cooperates, I will concentrate on the front door and check all the wiring below. Here's the link: http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#gallery Enjoy! Jackie From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Thu Feb 11 14:09:18 2010 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Thu Feb 11 14:10:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <20100211.125133.4670.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100211.125133.4670.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <474892.29522.qm@web86707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, Again, thank you for your very detailed reply. By and large, I don't disagree with the points you are making. Unfortunately Quam speakers don't appear to be available in the UK so it appears that I will not have the opportunity to audition an example. I have also noted that a frequency response curve is not shown on the Quam website. I have turned instead to Tannoy loudspeakers; Tannoy is a very highly respected European manufacturer of hi-fi speakers. This is the frequency response of the 12 inch high performance dual coned monitor loudspeaker. http://44bx.com/tannoy/hpd_fr2.html That Tannoy response shows an increase between low frequencies circa 50Hz and mid frequencies 3kHz of around 6 or 7 dB. And while the increase is not quite as pronounced as the Jensen P12N, it is of a similar gradient. I still stand by my opinion, based on listening tests, that the currently manufactured Jensen AlNiCo loudspeakers are an excellent choice for fifties style jukeboxes. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this - after all, what would life be if we all had the same opinions! Norman. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 16:06:57 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 11 16:07:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <3C45E354-B0AA-4301-8737-919DE97865A3@verizon.net> Message-ID: <136626.12154.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, You are trying to fool us--you don't like working on these, you just like taking photos !!! Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 11:46 AM Hi to all, I wanted to post the link to my Gallery of Pics for the AMI G80 Restoration.? I put all AMI pics into one Gallery and broke them down into different aspects of the process of restoration. The most exciting is the AMI Mech folder, with the newest pics at the top of the page.? Today, I am happy to say, I put the Mech, record racks, turntable cover and all that new, fancy wiring back on the Mech Tray and gave the turntable a spin in an extension cord....It runs smooth and whisper quiet!? Everything looks great and there are a few things left to take care of on the Mech.? I need to replace the needle brush, I want to Flock the Turntable and I need to decide what to do about the decals on the sides of the Turntable Cover. For all of you reading this, I am sure all this could have been accomplished in a day, this took me from Friday of last week until this afternoon to finish to this point....6 days!!!? We had 34" of snow on Saturday and another 20" yesterday....so all day and evening I took advantage of not being able to work and just dove into this Mech.? It was wonderful fun and I have to thank everyone for their phone calls, emails and encouragement......Mel, Aaron, Gary, Brad, Ron, David, and the list goes on.? A wonderful group of people that if I have forgotten anyone, please let me know!? I have learned so much on this Jukebox.? I have to say I have the most understanding husband too. lol My next attack is the Cabinet.? I need some dry weather so I can drag that outside and start sanding and applying new Veneer.? Until the weather cooperates, I will concentrate on the front door and check all the wiring below.? Here's the link: http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#gallery Enjoy! Jackie_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 11 17:23:18 2010 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Thu Feb 11 17:24:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1015 refinishing advice Message-ID: Mike, I have some pictures posted of my most recent 1015 restoration. This is my fourth, and my own as a matter of fact. The door is quilted maple much like the finish on a Gibson Sunburst guitar. I would be happy to share any tips with you to aid you in your restoration. With only four under my belt I am not a 1015 expert, but certainly not a novice either. I have restored many Seeburgs from the 50's and also a few AMI's. Here is the link to my photos. Rick http://cid-f7d26390ffb150da.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/jukepics _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Feb 11 17:26:18 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Feb 11 17:27:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <136626.12154.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <136626.12154.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <928A2253-9AAE-43E6-A41D-5F34154F0EDB@verizon.net> Ron, you saw right through me! :) Jackie On Feb 11, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jackie, > You are trying to fool us--you don't like working on these, you just like taking photos !!! > Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 11:46 AM > > Hi to all, > I wanted to post the link to my Gallery of Pics for the AMI G80 Restoration. I put all AMI pics into one Gallery and broke them down into different aspects of the process of restoration. The most exciting is the AMI Mech folder, with the newest pics at the top of the page. Today, I am happy to say, I put the Mech, record racks, turntable cover and all that new, fancy wiring back on the Mech Tray and gave the turntable a spin in an extension cord....It runs smooth and whisper quiet! Everything looks great and there are a few things left to take care of on the Mech. I need to replace the needle brush, I want to Flock the Turntable and I need to decide what to do about the decals on the sides of the Turntable Cover. > > For all of you reading this, I am sure all this could have been accomplished in a day, this took me from Friday of last week until this afternoon to finish to this point....6 days!!! We had 34" of snow on Saturday and another 20" yesterday....so all day and evening I took advantage of not being able to work and just dove into this Mech. It was wonderful fun and I have to thank everyone for their phone calls, emails and encouragement......Mel, Aaron, Gary, Brad, Ron, David, and the list goes on. A wonderful group of people that if I have forgotten anyone, please let me know! I have learned so much on this Jukebox. I have to say I have the most understanding husband too. lol > > My next attack is the Cabinet. I need some dry weather so I can drag that outside and start sanding and applying new Veneer. Until the weather cooperates, I will concentrate on the front door and check all the wiring below. Here's the link: > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#gallery > > Enjoy! > Jackie_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Feb 11 18:26:28 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Feb 11 18:28:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement Message-ID: <20100211.212628.452.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hello Norm: By and large we are in agreement. Some Tannoy products (mostly complete spkr systems rather than raw-frame drivers) are imported to the US. They are regarded as extremely high quality performers from a long-established English manufacturer with wonderful performance.Their units fit my definition of a neutral sounding speaker. They are considered top-of-the-line devices, and command premium prices. The 12 or 15" coaxial (Tannoy calls it a dual concentric) speaker sold here is the Tannoy Gold. These are often used as large-format recording studio monitors The only disagreement that I would with you is that the Tannoy Gold will cost more than the average jukebox fan would be wiling to spend on a 12" full range jukebox speaker. With regard to the various Italian-made Jensen models, the AlNiCo magnet models should sound identical to their less expensive ceramic magnet counterparts. I have not taken the time to compare response curves of one against the other. Jensen is installing different cone assemblies in their higher wattage handling models versus their lower powered products. The lower powered ones seem to be peakier in the mid-band than the hi-powered ones. This is why I recomended the 50 watt vintage ceramic model. The Quam product line is a long established product in the US, at one time was regarded as a competitor to Jensen in that they supplied electronic equipment manufacturers with built-to-order loudspeaker drivers in big quantities. Primarily, their product is now used in commercial sound systems, fire alarm warning systems,school intercom, etc. Even though these utility systems are not known for producing great sound, the "sleeper" is that that the speakers perform very well at relatively modest prices. I don't believe they've published any freq response data beyond what is seen on their website. The response curve of the Quam 12" full range speaker I recommended performs similar to the Jensen PAC-12-N model, except the Quam unit has an extended high freq response. In a jukebox speaker system like the AMI Continental I, the 4" tweeter is crossed in between 2,000 and 3,000 Hz. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=s9xJ-al3kN38skUcH-Y71AAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From TUBADON40 at aol.com Thu Feb 11 18:46:28 2010 From: TUBADON40 at aol.com (TUBADON40@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 11 18:47:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1015 refinishing advice Message-ID: <1c232.5953f16.38a61b04@aol.com> Rick; That is the most beautiful sight. I just hope mine turns out close to that. I see you spraying the outer finish? I am also getting some advice from the Antique Radio Forum in which one fella suggested I need to use a grain filler on the veneer first, then spray laquer with some toner which I know nothing about. I am planning on doing the main cabinet and internals first and when done then tackling the door. Just don't want to get ALL the parts scattered. I also have 3 veneer chips at the bottom that need fixing. Any suggestions here? Thanks for helping. This is my first. I have 2 more Wurlitzers to go after this one. All mine to keep. Don From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Feb 11 18:52:31 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Feb 11 18:54:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along Message-ID: <20100211.215231.452.4@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jackie: I don't believe that an AMI G model had a flocked turntable originally. I think there was a rubber ring around the perimeter of the TT that cushioned the records, and there was a decorative embossed metal ring that fit in the center. I'm just mentioning this because it appears you are trying to restore your machine to it's authentic original appearance. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ux8903Eowa9D51AgQkyU0wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Feb 11 19:09:44 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Feb 11 19:12:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Farily low-ball winning bid on a 1015 Message-ID: <20100211.220944.452.5@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Some motivated sellers these days are in need of cash flow. People are pricing their "toys" for quick sale. Hopefully, better times are ahead. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=7M5wt6uhz8IbJA4VuKXKvwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 19:54:15 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 11 19:55:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <20100211.215231.452.4@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <28594.69873.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, This brings up a question--I don't remember seeing any 45 rpm jukes with a flocked TT--were there any ??? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/11/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 6:52 PM Hello Jackie: I don't believe that an AMI G model had a flocked turntable originally.???I think there was a rubber ring around the perimeter of the TT that cushioned the records, and there was a decorative embossed metal ring that fit in the center.???I'm just mentioning this because it appears you are trying to restore your machine to it's authentic original appearance. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ux8903Eowa9D51AgQkyU0wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Feb 11 20:12:22 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Feb 11 20:13:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <20100211.215231.452.4@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100211.215231.452.4@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <943E51AF-06C0-423D-8C58-E3EF3DFDA334@verizon.net> Hi Jim, thanks for that info, I wasn't sure of the flocking, however there seems to be some finish around the rim of the turntable and the outer edge. I have the metal ring for the center. That's interesting about the rubber ring, makes sense and it would be great if anyone had a pic of the turntable in it's original condition. Maybe what I am seeing/feeling around the edge and top of the TT is residue from the rubber ring? As far as restoring to authentic original appearance, I will be happy with any level of that outcome!! Jackie On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:52 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Hello Jackie: > > I don't believe that an AMI G model had a flocked turntable originally. I think there was a rubber ring around the perimeter of the TT that cushioned the records, and there was a decorative embossed metal ring that fit in the center. I'm just mentioning this because it appears you are trying to restore your machine to it's authentic original appearance. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Diet Help > Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ux8903Eowa9D51AgQkyU0wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 20:21:41 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Feb 11 20:22:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <20100211.215231.452.4@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <264349.46398.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 2/11/10, James Alexander wrote: > I don't believe that an AMI G model had a flocked turntable > originally. I think there was a rubber ring > around the perimeter of the TT that cushioned the records, > and there was a decorative embossed metal ring that fit in > the center. Hi, Jim - I've worked on two G-series machines, my own G-200 and a friend's G-120. Although it's mostly worn off, it sure looks like the rim of the turntable was originally covered in black flocking. I've never seen any evidence of a rubber cover. BTW, judging from my limited experience, the gold anodized disk was the one used on the 80 and 120 mechanisms, the stipple-embossed chrome disk was used on the 200 mechanism. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 20:24:50 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 11 20:25:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <943E51AF-06C0-423D-8C58-E3EF3DFDA334@verizon.net> Message-ID: <259532.85283.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, You and Jim are correct--I THINK the rubber ring is still available from Victory--or, possibly someone else--and that which you are feeling, is the glue that held the ring.? What I have done in the past, for a "quick fix", to replace that ring, is go to the Hardware Store, and purchase (for that TT) thick, felt "bumpers", that are used to cushion cabinet doors when they close. If you can't find thick ones, double up on the "regular" ones, as the record needs to be lifted about the thickness of a quarter above that TT--? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 8:12 PM Hi Jim, thanks for that info, I wasn't sure of the flocking, however there seems to be some finish around the rim of the turntable and the outer edge.? I have the metal ring for the center.? That's interesting about the rubber ring, makes sense and it would be great if anyone had a pic of the turntable in it's original condition.? Maybe what I am seeing/feeling around the edge and top of the TT is residue from the rubber ring?? As far as restoring to authentic original appearance, I will be happy with any level of that outcome!! Jackie On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:52 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Hello Jackie: > > I don't believe that an AMI G model had a flocked turntable originally.???I think there was a rubber ring around the perimeter of the TT that cushioned the records, and there was a decorative embossed metal ring that fit in the center.???I'm just mentioning this because it appears you are trying to restore your machine to it's authentic original appearance. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Diet Help > Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ux8903Eowa9D51AgQkyU0wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 20:30:55 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 11 20:31:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <264349.46398.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <680266.58184.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well, coodbe my great, but not too long memory failed--I once thought it may have, but was proven wrong ??? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/11/10, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 8:21 PM --- On Thu, 2/11/10, James Alexander wrote: > I don't believe that an AMI G model had a flocked turntable > originally.???I think there was a rubber ring > around the perimeter of the TT that cushioned the records, > and there was a decorative embossed metal ring that fit in > the center. Hi, Jim - I've worked on two G-series machines, my own G-200 and a friend's G-120.? Although it's mostly worn off, it sure looks like the rim of the turntable was originally covered in black flocking.? I've never seen any evidence of a rubber cover. BTW, judging from my limited experience, the gold anodized disk was the one used on the 80 and 120 mechanisms, the stipple-embossed chrome disk was used on the 200 mechanism. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Feb 11 20:33:17 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Feb 11 20:35:30 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along Message-ID: <20100211.233317.14565.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Jackie, Ron: Maybe someone has a good picture of an AMI G series mech. At one point in time Aaron Heverin posted some AMI "Fishtank" pictures,one of his nice restorations, on the list---not sure what model it was, though. If I'm not mistaken I think the last AMI model to use a felt-flocked turntable was a model D. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=IKDWt5ViBrePz_ozoiSMqgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Thu Feb 11 20:39:15 2010 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Thu Feb 11 20:40:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <259532.85283.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <595685.43102.qm@web96009.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Jackie,All the AMI turntables around that era and upto the JAL tropicanna etc that i have had, the outer lip was painted ?(or stippled) with rubberized paint and the decorative disc sits in the middle. The disc with the star pattern etc can be obtained from?www.jukeboxpartsservice.eu listed under AMI parts.Regards John --- On Fri, 12/2/10, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, 12 February, 2010, 5:24 PM Jackie, You and Jim are correct--I THINK the rubber ring is still available from Victory--or, possibly someone else--and that which you are feeling, is the glue that held the ring.? What I have done in the past, for a "quick fix", to replace that ring, is go to the Hardware Store, and purchase (for that TT) thick, felt "bumpers", that are used to cushion cabinet doors when they close. If you can't find thick ones, double up on the "regular" ones, as the record needs to be lifted about the thickness of a quarter above that TT--? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 8:12 PM Hi Jim, thanks for that info, I wasn't sure of the flocking, however there seems to be some finish around the rim of the turntable and the outer edge.? I have the metal ring for the center.? That's interesting about the rubber ring, makes sense and it would be great if anyone had a pic of the turntable in it's original condition.? Maybe what I am seeing/feeling around the edge and top of the TT is residue from the rubber ring?? As far as restoring to authentic original appearance, I will be happy with any level of that outcome!! Jackie On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:52 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Hello Jackie: > > I don't believe that an AMI G model had a flocked turntable originally.???I think there was a rubber ring around the perimeter of the TT that cushioned the records, and there was a decorative embossed metal ring that fit in the center.???I'm just mentioning this because it appears you are trying to restore your machine to it's authentic original appearance. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Diet Help > Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ux8903Eowa9D51AgQkyU0wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Feb 11 20:38:22 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Feb 11 20:40:28 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along Message-ID: <20100211.233822.14565.2@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Dave: I may be confusing the AMI turntables with the later 50's RockOla models. They too, had a perimeter ring turntable mat that I thought was made of sponge rubber. The rest of the turntable steel surface was painted--no trim rings. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=yiWnZdUGhcrGT4joeVJ_KQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 20:52:09 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Feb 11 20:53:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <595685.43102.qm@web96009.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <905793.37171.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 2/11/10, John Wilson wrote: > ...and the decorative disc sits in the middle. > The disc with the star pattern etc can be obtained > from www.jukeboxpartsservice.eu listed under AMI > parts.Regards John My understanding is that the star-pattern disks are an element of the "Jetsons-style" machines beginning with the H or I series. From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Feb 11 21:14:27 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Feb 11 21:15:28 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <20100211.233317.14565.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100211.233317.14565.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000301caaba2$409c57c0$c1d50740$@net> If my stupid router will quit deciding to change IP addresses of where port 80 is redirected, these images will work. If it craps out...I will correct tomorrow morning. I have a new dd-wrt flashed router to stand up.....just lazy. I have both a G200 and D80. My G200 has a blue flocked turntable rim with a gold dimpled disk. It could stand re-flocking http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/G200/G200_Turntable.JPG The D80 has a rubber ring around the edge with no turntable plate. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/D80/record_changer.jpg Not sure if I am 100% original.... Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:33 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along Jackie, Ron: Maybe someone has a good picture of an AMI G series mech. At one point in time Aaron Heverin posted some AMI "Fishtank" pictures,one of his nice restorations, on the list---not sure what model it was, though. If I'm not mistaken I think the last AMI model to use a felt-flocked turntable was a model D. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=IKDWt5ViBrePz_ozoiSMqgAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2682 - Release Date: 02/11/10 10:09:00 From michel.malicheff at telenet.be Thu Feb 11 23:55:15 2010 From: michel.malicheff at telenet.be (michel malicheff) Date: Thu Feb 11 23:56:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with my first juke - Wurlitzer 2800 In-Reply-To: <20100211200003.A4F82AAFF6@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20100211200003.A4F82AAFF6@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Message: 2 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: Reno Games Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with my first juke - Wurlitzer 2800 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Message-ID: <772403.77737.qm@web111807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I picked up my first juke about 3 months ago and am finally getting around to working on it. I have about 3 years of experience repairing arcade and pinball machine but when I look inside the back of this thing, I'm a little overwhelmed. I picked up a manual off ebay, and have new tubes and a capacitor kit on it's way. I'm just looking for advice on what steps to take getting this this going again. I have yet to plug it in, but it is missing 2 tubes, so I figure I shouldn't. Any advice is welcomed. Pictures are located here: http://s893.photobucket.com/albums/ac140/renogameswebs/Juke/ Thanks, Beau Hi Beau, very similar to yours is my 3800 dated 1967. It has similar mechanism with transistor amplifier. If the fuses are present and you checked the values I would plug the machine and see what happens. The fact that tubes are missing is not important. You can program a record either with the selector or manually by releasing one of the selector pins. Make sure that the speakers are connected at all time! With tubes you have to make sure that the power can be dissipated! If no speakers install a resistance of about 20 ohm or even short the speaker's connections. NEVER do that with a solid state amp! The drive belts are easy to find. I can give you an address in Germany. From which part of the world are you? If you need springs I got about 50 spare. Keep us informed. Michel (Belgium) From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Fri Feb 12 00:48:44 2010 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Fri Feb 12 00:49:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <000301caaba2$409c57c0$c1d50740$@net> Message-ID: <611282.26122.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone,For the outer rim on AMI turntables have a look at "Jukebox World" run by Stamann they have adhesive backed velvet rings to fit... cost around 8 euro... makes for a nice tidy finish.john --- On Fri, 12/2/10, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Friday, 12 February, 2010, 6:14 PM If my stupid router will quit deciding to change IP addresses of where port 80 is redirected,? these images will work.? If it craps out...I will correct tomorrow morning.? I have a new dd-wrt flashed router to stand up.....just lazy. I have both a G200 and D80. My G200 has a blue flocked turntable rim with a gold dimpled disk. It could stand re-flocking http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/G200/G200_Turntable.JPG The D80 has a rubber ring around the edge with no turntable plate. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/D80/record_changer.jpg Not sure if I am 100% original.... Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:33 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along Jackie, Ron: Maybe someone has a good picture of an AMI G series mech.? ? At one point in time Aaron Heverin posted some AMI "Fishtank" pictures,one of his nice restorations, on the list---not sure what model it was, though. If I'm not mistaken I think the last AMI model to use a felt-flocked turntable was a model D. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=IKDWt5ViBrePz_ozoiSMqgAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2682 - Release Date: 02/11/10 10:09:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Feb 12 04:43:18 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Feb 12 04:44:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <000301caaba2$409c57c0$c1d50740$@net> References: <20100211.233317.14565.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> <000301caaba2$409c57c0$c1d50740$@net> Message-ID: Rich, your G200 tt looks just like mine, but the flocked rim is black or dark brown. The more I look at mine, the more I am convinced it had some kind of flocking on it, as it's soft and fuzzy to the touch, not like dried glue or rubber. Perhaps, if it's not original, the previous owner did his own flocking on it.? thanks for the pics, and I think from looking at the 2 choices, I prefer the flocking over the rubber rim. My next question would be the depth of the flocking on the rim where the record sits? The blue looks really nice against your yellow cabinet. I will keep your photos in my reference folder, they are very helpful! Thanks to everyone that responded, there is still so much I have to learn! Jackie On Feb 12, 2010, at 12:14 AM, Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > If my stupid router will quit deciding to change IP addresses of where port > 80 is redirected, these images will work. If it craps out...I will correct > tomorrow morning. I have a new dd-wrt flashed router to stand up.....just > lazy. > > I have both a G200 and D80. > > My G200 has a blue flocked turntable rim with a gold dimpled disk. It could > stand re-flocking http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/G200/G200_Turntable.JPG > > The D80 has a rubber ring around the edge with no turntable plate. > http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/D80/record_changer.jpg > > > Not sure if I am 100% original.... > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James > Alexander > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:33 PM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > > > > Jackie, Ron: > > Maybe someone has a good picture of an AMI G series mech. At one point in > time Aaron Heverin posted some AMI "Fishtank" pictures,one of his nice > restorations, on the list---not sure what model it was, though. > > If I'm not mistaken I think the last AMI model to use a felt-flocked > turntable was a model D. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Nutrition > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=IKDWt5ViBrePz_ozoiSMqgAAJ1E > xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2682 - Release Date: 02/11/10 > 10:09:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Feb 12 04:52:10 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Feb 12 04:53:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <264349.46398.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <264349.46398.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443079A2-A580-4A53-8F38-43E05D29EF3C@verizon.net> Good Morning David, I don't know why I have both the Gold Disk and the Chrome Disk....I had to paint the Gold Disk, although I hated to, as it covered up the swirled pattern. I am going to do something fun on the reverse side of the Gold Disk....I think it was Jeremy's turntable that was done in black & white checks...it was really nice to look at. I will leave the Chrome disk alone, as it's in great shape. As far as the TT, flocking is the way I will go with it, thanks for your info on it. Jackie On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:21 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Thu, 2/11/10, James Alexander wrote: > >> I don't believe that an AMI G model had a flocked turntable >> originally. I think there was a rubber ring >> around the perimeter of the TT that cushioned the records, >> and there was a decorative embossed metal ring that fit in >> the center. > > Hi, Jim - > > I've worked on two G-series machines, my own G-200 and > a friend's G-120. Although it's mostly worn off, it sure > looks like the rim of the turntable was originally covered > in black flocking. I've never seen any evidence of a rubber > cover. > > BTW, judging from my limited experience, the gold anodized > disk was the one used on the 80 and 120 mechanisms, the > stipple-embossed chrome disk was used on the 200 mechanism. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Fri Feb 12 05:04:32 2010 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Fri Feb 12 05:05:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along Message-ID: <636C4F52304C49C395FBB8394F8BCF8F@VistaServer> Hi All!! I just checked my AMI bible, and you are correct Jackie! The turntable was indeed flocked. Part of the adjustment procedure states " The uppermost surface of the of the turntable flocking should be higher than the bottom edge of the V-shaped gripping edge" I guess this explains why I ended up with about 20 different types of flocking material when a local AMI dealer folded, Lots of different colors! Hope this helps! Mel From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Feb 12 06:05:59 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Feb 12 06:07:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <636C4F52304C49C395FBB8394F8BCF8F@VistaServer> References: <636C4F52304C49C395FBB8394F8BCF8F@VistaServer> Message-ID: <2FE6E846-B45B-44FD-9822-6E4598782CA4@verizon.net> Mel, will you share your flocking? Jackie On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Mel Knight wrote: > Hi All!! > > I just checked my AMI bible, and you are correct Jackie! The turntable was indeed flocked. Part of the adjustment procedure states > " The uppermost surface of the of the turntable flocking should be higher than the bottom edge of the V-shaped gripping edge" > I guess this explains why I ended up with about 20 different types of flocking material when a local AMI dealer folded, Lots of > different colors! > > Hope this helps! Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Feb 12 06:13:53 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Feb 12 06:15:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <636C4F52304C49C395FBB8394F8BCF8F@VistaServer> Message-ID: <81026.48036.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Mel Knight wrote: > I just checked my AMI > bible, and you are correct Jackie! The turntable was indeed > flocked. Part of the adjustment procedure states > " The uppermost surface of the of the turntable flocking > should be higher than the bottom edge of the V-shaped > gripping edge" Oh, man, no fair reading the manual! :-) From jay at west.net Fri Feb 12 06:58:51 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Feb 12 07:00:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with my first juke - Wurlitzer 2800 In-Reply-To: References: <20100211200003.A4F82AAFF6@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <4B756CAB.20201@west.net> michel malicheff wrote: > From: Reno Games > > I picked up my first juke about 3 months ago and am finally getting around > to working on it. I have about 3 years of experience repairing arcade and > pinball machine but when I look inside the back of this thing, I'm a little > overwhelmed. I picked up a manual off ebay, and have new tubes and a > capacitor kit on it's way. I'm just looking for advice on what steps to take > getting this this going again. I have yet to plug it in, but it is missing 2 > tubes, so I figure I shouldn't. Any advice is welcomed. > Hi Beau, very similar to yours is my 3800 dated 1967. It has similar > mechanism with transistor amplifier. I think you may mean 2900. The 3800 is much later and has a different mechanism. > If the fuses are present and you checked the values I would plug the machine > and see what happens. The fact that tubes are missing is not important. You > can program a record either with the selector or manually by releasing one > of the selector pins. The amplifier hasn't been rebuilt. I wouldn't recommend plugging it in as the transformers and remaining output tubes can be damaged. If you want to plug it in to test the mechanism, pull the fuse going to the amplifier HV power transformer. You won't get any sound but the mechanism should cycle if it's OK. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Feb 12 07:00:29 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Feb 12 07:01:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <81026.48036.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <81026.48036.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9548C6B6-E104-4B05-939D-9F5B79AE3098@verizon.net> LOL David, you are too funny! Jackie On Feb 12, 2010, at 9:13 AM, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Mel Knight wrote: > >> I just checked my AMI >> bible, and you are correct Jackie! The turntable was indeed >> flocked. Part of the adjustment procedure states >> " The uppermost surface of the of the turntable flocking >> should be higher than the bottom edge of the V-shaped >> gripping edge" > > > Oh, man, no fair reading the manual! :-) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Feb 12 08:28:06 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Feb 12 08:29:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <2FE6E846-B45B-44FD-9822-6E4598782CA4@verizon.net> Message-ID: <52979.28416.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey This is getting a little "personal" here ----Ron Rich --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:05 AM Mel, will you share your flocking? Jackie On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Mel Knight wrote: > Hi All!! > >? ? ? ? ? I just checked my AMI bible, and you are correct Jackie! The turntable was indeed flocked. Part of the adjustment procedure states > " The uppermost surface of the of the turntable flocking should be higher than the bottom edge of the V-shaped gripping edge" > I guess this explains why I ended up with about 20 different types of flocking material when a local AMI dealer folded, Lots of > different colors! > > Hope this helps!? ? ? Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Feb 12 08:33:25 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Feb 12 08:34:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <81026.48036.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <702582.72840.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Leave him be--he's "doing good " !!? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 2/12/10, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:13 AM --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Mel Knight wrote: >? ? ? ? ???I just checked my AMI > bible, and you are correct Jackie! The turntable was indeed > flocked. Part of the adjustment procedure states > " The uppermost surface of the of the turntable flocking > should be higher than the bottom edge of the V-shaped > gripping edge" Oh, man, no fair reading the manual!???:-) ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From m.desimone at rogers.com Fri Feb 12 08:43:24 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Fri Feb 12 08:44:37 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Pinbank Curiosity Message-ID: <465833.13893.qm@web88106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi I thought I'd run this through the list to see if anyone can shed some light on this. I'm in the middle of a pinbank rebuild and one of the notched contact washers "A1" is silver? The rest are a copper colour. Any pinbank I have ever done have always been copper. I think it's just a coincidence it is in the A1 position but to get proper continuity I had to do some extra polishing with contact cleaner as there seemed to be some surface resistance on this particular washer. Did Seeburg make a run of these with the silver colored contact washers at one time? I think that if they did they were probably problematic. Any Seeburg guru's here who could shed some light on this? I'm just curious, Mauro From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Feb 12 09:03:26 2010 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Feb 12 09:04:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1015 refinishing advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick , Thanks for your note and the pictures. I'm at work and they have a filter that blocks the pictures, so I've sent them to my home address. I'm impressed that you've done four of these 1015's. You must know them pretty well by now!. The one I'm working on is actually my second. I still have the first, so I'm using it as a reference to re-assemble the second one. I bought the latest one in April, and as I said earlier it was totally sprayed with brown spackled paint (even the pilasters!). The veneer underneath was superb though (makes you wonder why they would have painted it in the first place). It was converted to 45 rpm, and the tone arm was all screwed up in the process. I have installed the 78 gears, but have not yet run the mech to see if it's working ok. At this point, the cabinet is all refinished, and beautiful. The crome is replated, and I'm slowly re-assembling it. It is very time consuming, as I'm polishing every screw and bracket as it goes back, so that it looks more like it did when it left the factory. Since I have the other unit as a reference, I should not have any problems re-assembling. I also carefully labelled and bagged all the screws as they were removed. One question I do have is about the coin system. My latest one is missing only the slug rejector (the first 1015 is missing ALL the coin equipment). I would like to get a slug rejector and switch it back from free play to coin. Do you or anyone on the list have any experience with this? Does your machine have it's coin working? I suspect that one wire was jumped to free play it, but I'm not certain which. I wish you the best of luck with your project. There is a lot of work involved, but in the end it is so worth it! Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of rick murray Sent: 2010, February, 11 8:23 PM To: jukebox list Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1015 refinishing advice Mike, I have some pictures posted of my most recent 1015 restoration. This is my fourth, and my own as a matter of fact. The door is quilted maple much like the finish on a Gibson Sunburst guitar. I would be happy to share any tips with you to aid you in your restoration. With only four under my belt I am not a 1015 expert, but certainly not a novice either. I have restored many Seeburgs from the 50's and also a few AMI's. Here is the link to my photos. Rick http://cid-f7d26390ffb150da.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/jukepics _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/________________________ _______________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. L?exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s?y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu?il contient par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m?en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Feb 12 09:30:51 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Feb 12 09:32:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <52979.28416.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <52979.28416.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: rofl.....ok...I quit! Jackie On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > Hey > This is getting a little "personal" here ----Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:05 AM > > Mel, will you share your flocking? > Jackie > > > > On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Mel Knight wrote: > >> Hi All!! >> >> I just checked my AMI bible, and you are correct Jackie! The turntable was indeed flocked. Part of the adjustment procedure states >> " The uppermost surface of the of the turntable flocking should be higher than the bottom edge of the V-shaped gripping edge" >> I guess this explains why I ended up with about 20 different types of flocking material when a local AMI dealer folded, Lots of >> different colors! >> >> Hope this helps! Mel >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Feb 12 10:24:37 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Feb 12 10:25:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <809780.22132.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> If you were birds of a feather you could flock together. Jackie Elgie wrote: > rofl.....ok...I quit! > Jackie > On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Ron Rich wrote: >> Hey >> This is getting a little "personal" here ----Ron Rich >> >> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >> From: Jackie Elgie >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:05 AM >> >> Mel, will you share your flocking? >> Jackie >> >> >> >> On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Mel Knight wrote: >> >>> Hi All!! >>> >>> I just checked my AMI bible, and you are correct Jackie! The turntable was indeed flocked. Part of the adjustment procedure states >>> " The uppermost surface of the of the turntable flocking should be higher than the bottom edge of the V-shaped gripping edge" >>> I guess this explains why I ended up with about 20 different types of flocking material when a local AMI dealer folded, Lots of >>> different colors! >>> >>> Hope this helps! Mel >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Fri Feb 12 10:42:49 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Fri Feb 12 10:43:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <809780.22132.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <809780.22132.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Now I ALWAYS thought that would be a GREAT idea for some of us to meet each other, have a great time, and help out at the same time. Think of it as something like one of those Amish barn-raisings...where the entire community (and folks from outlying areas) come together to build a barn in a day. So I'm figuring what a great thing a jukebox would be! Jackie buys a jukebox (or any of us), then we all fly in and work on it. Some of us do the mech...others do the cabinet...others do the power supplies/amps/junction boxes... others polish metal parts (of course rechroming is something that throws a monkey wrench into the mix)... still others do the painting. What a great weekend party that would be, huh? Come on!!! Everybody grab your snowshoes and head over to Jackie's for the weekend. I'll make a boat load of Chili and bring the Red Cat. Aaron On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM, David Breneman wrote: > If you were birds of a feather you could flock together. > > Jackie Elgie wrote: > > rofl.....ok...I quit! > > Jackie > > On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Hey > >> This is getting a little "personal" here ----Ron Rich > >> > >> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> > >> From: Jackie Elgie > >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:05 AM > >> > >> Mel, will you share your flocking? > >> Jackie > >> > >> > >> > >> On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Mel Knight wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All!! > >>> > >>> I just checked my AMI bible, and you are correct Jackie! The > turntable was indeed flocked. Part of the adjustment procedure states > >>> " The uppermost surface of the of the turntable flocking should be > higher than the bottom edge of the V-shaped gripping edge" > >>> I guess this explains why I ended up with about 20 different types of > flocking material when a local AMI dealer folded, Lots of > >>> different colors! > >>> > >>> Hope this helps! Mel > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Jukebox-list mailing list > >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Feb 12 11:27:53 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Feb 12 11:29:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox gathering In-Reply-To: References: <809780.22132.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <066171CE-C318-4764-AC86-662D783B8177@verizon.net> Aaron, that is a fabulous idea! Please keep in mind, my door is always open to visitors who might be interested in a trip to DC, Baltimore or Annapolis area. I am about 20 min from each. Depending on how many of my 7 kids are visiting, you might even get a bedroom! It seems like a great way to say Thank-you to people who have helped each other out along the way. I have been lucky to have met Mel (we share flocking together), Jukebox Jimmy (he's not on very often), JC from the Eastern Shore, Roy Dean from Jukebox Junkyard and Jens from Sweeden. Next time anyone is coming near the state of Maryland and has some free time, shoot me an email....in the meantime, Chili is already on! :) Jackie On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Aaron H wrote: > Now I ALWAYS thought that would be a GREAT idea for some of us to meet each > other, have a great time, and help out at the same time. Think of it as > something like one of those Amish barn-raisings...where the entire community > (and folks from outlying areas) come together to build a barn in a day. So > I'm figuring what a great thing a jukebox would be! Jackie buys a jukebox > (or any of us), then we all fly in and work on it. Some of us do the > mech...others do the cabinet...others do the power supplies/amps/junction > boxes... others polish metal parts (of course rechroming is something that > throws a monkey wrench into the mix)... still others do the painting. What a > great weekend party that would be, huh? Come on!!! Everybody grab your > snowshoes and head over to Jackie's for the weekend. I'll make a boat load > of Chili and bring the Red Cat. > > Aaron > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM, David Breneman wrote: > >> If you were birds of a feather you could flock together. >> >> Jackie Elgie wrote: >>> rofl.....ok...I quit! >>> Jackie >>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Ron Rich wrote: >>>> Hey >>>> This is getting a little "personal" here ----Ron Rich >>>> >>>> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Jackie Elgie >>>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along >>>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>>> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:05 AM >>>> >>>> Mel, will you share your flocking? >>>> Jackie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Mel Knight wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All!! >>>>> >>>>> I just checked my AMI bible, and you are correct Jackie! The >> turntable was indeed flocked. Part of the adjustment procedure states >>>>> " The uppermost surface of the of the turntable flocking should be >> higher than the bottom edge of the V-shaped gripping edge" >>>>> I guess this explains why I ended up with about 20 different types of >> flocking material when a local AMI dealer folded, Lots of >>>>> different colors! >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps! Mel >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Feb 12 12:10:41 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Feb 12 12:11:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along Message-ID: Jackie, NICE! mechanism looks GREAT! This first because it's important: Nice work on the mechanism rewiring. One of the crimped thingys that hold the 4 zip cords together should probably be placed right where the 4 zip cords touch the bottom of the red turntable cover, left side. This will prevent the cover from eventually chewing through the zip cords and causeing a short. Flocking: Quite possibly flocked, but on mine, there is a thin rubberized coating applied, similar to that of 1960s and later Rock Olas. No sign of anything fuzzy. The "flocking" may refer to the rubberized coating too. We can't know what their terminology was. Touch it up with a Sharpie marker. Rich, your D80 is supposed to have a turntable disk. Any AMI disk will fit, even from the 1963 era mechs. I personally don't mind them without one. Looks cool when scanning. My Rock Ola 1442 (1957, Junior) has a flocked turntable, so yes, some 45 jukes did have them. Discussuon on star pattern turntable disks" I wish they'd do one in red. I'd rock one of those on MY G-120! I think they have a black and gray one I almost bought, but am using a later one a-la JAL era (that looks good and was cheap). Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Feb 12 12:16:16 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Feb 12 12:17:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox gathering Message-ID: The people from my Herbie/VW message board actually did this. It's not something that couldn't be done, although it's an exceptional group. Using a message board allows us to post photos of our projects and ourselves, embed videos, etc., so we're well acquainted with each other. We also run a section on the forum where people can post topics all about their car that can be referred to instantly. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From michel.malicheff at telenet.be Fri Feb 12 14:07:00 2010 From: michel.malicheff at telenet.be (michel malicheff) Date: Fri Feb 12 14:08:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with my first juke - Wurlitzer 2800 In-Reply-To: <20100212200005.0744FAB02F@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20100212200005.0744FAB02F@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <0A561BFDDB2A4DBEA8A05344BCB26343@8b27e768a11248c> Oh, sorry, I got the 3000 dated 66 or 67. That was actually my second one. The first one is the Seeburg M100 Besides that I got the RockOla 440, the NSM Prestige, a Rowe Ami "The Music Miracle" and a Hartig. As a hobby I repair and do maintenance on request, without advertising, just by friends and relations propagation. Tell me if I can help. Michel Malicheff (Belgium) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Feb 12 14:20:42 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Feb 12 14:21:47 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Pinbank Curiosity In-Reply-To: <465833.13893.qm@web88106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <909004.57370.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mauro, The early washers are copper, the later ones are stainless steel. They are interchangeable. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Mauro wrote: From: Mauro Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Pinbank Curiosity To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 8:43 AM Hi I thought I'd run this through the list to see if anyone can shed some light on this. I'm in the middle of a pinbank rebuild and one of the notched contact washers "A1" is silver? The rest are a copper colour. Any pinbank I have ever done have always been copper. I think it's just a coincidence it is in the A1 position but to get proper continuity I had to do some extra polishing with contact cleaner as there seemed to be some surface resistance on this particular washer. Did Seeburg make a run of these with the silver colored contact washers at one time?? I think that if they did they were probably problematic. Any Seeburg guru's here who could shed some light on this? I'm just curious, Mauro _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Fri Feb 12 15:09:15 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 12 15:10:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: References: <809780.22132.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC7A4F87C921CA-4F84-1921@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> I live in Kansas City and have five non-working boxes. Come one, come all. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron H To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along Now I ALWAYS thought that would be a GREAT idea for some of us to meet each ther, have a great time, and help out at the same time. Think of it as omething like one of those Amish barn-raisings...where the entire community and folks from outlying areas) come together to build a barn in a day. So 'm figuring what a great thing a jukebox would be! Jackie buys a jukebox or any of us), then we all fly in and work on it. Some of us do the ech...others do the cabinet...others do the power supplies/amps/junction oxes... others polish metal parts (of course rechroming is something that hrows a monkey wrench into the mix)... still others do the painting. What a reat weekend party that would be, huh? Come on!!! Everybody grab your nowshoes and head over to Jackie's for the weekend. I'll make a boat load f Chili and bring the Red Cat. Aaron On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM, David Breneman wrote: > If you were birds of a feather you could flock together. Jackie Elgie wrote: > rofl.....ok...I quit! > Jackie > On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Ron Rich wrote: >> Hey >> This is getting a little "personal" here ----Ron Rich >> >> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >> From: Jackie Elgie >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:05 AM >> >> Mel, will you share your flocking? >> Jackie >> >> >> >> On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Mel Knight wrote: >> >>> Hi All!! >>> >>> I just checked my AMI bible, and you are correct Jackie! The turntable was indeed flocked. Part of the adjustment procedure states >>> " The uppermost surface of the of the turntable flocking should be higher than the bottom edge of the V-shaped gripping edge" >>> I guess this explains why I ended up with about 20 different types of flocking material when a local AMI dealer folded, Lots of >>> different colors! >>> >>> Hope this helps! Mel >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Feb 12 16:24:52 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Feb 12 16:25:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <243531.69104.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Aaron H wrote: > Think of it as > something like one of those Amish barn-raisings...where the > entire community > (and folks from outlying areas) come together to build a > barn in a day. So > I'm figuring what a great thing a jukebox would be! This would be a great idea for a TV series. Sort of like This Old House for jukeboxes. I hereby donate my Seeburg 148 hideaway for shooting the pilot. :-) From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri Feb 12 17:17:50 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Fri Feb 12 17:18:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <8CC7A4F87C921CA-4F84-1921@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> References: <809780.22132.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CC7A4F87C921CA-4F84-1921@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <204A25370FA54D099BAF3E022835C0F3@p4> That would be three if you put the amp back in the Rhapsody and the turntable motor in the Fiesta..... ;-) Do I need to schedule an appointment to get you working??????????????? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of jhayes2613@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 5:09 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along I live in Kansas City and have five non-working boxes. Come one, come all. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron H To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along Now I ALWAYS thought that would be a GREAT idea for some of us to meet each ther, have a great time, and help out at the same time. Think of it as omething like one of those Amish barn-raisings...where the entire community and folks from outlying areas) come together to build a barn in a day. So 'm figuring what a great thing a jukebox would be! Jackie buys a jukebox or any of us), then we all fly in and work on it. Some of us do the ech...others do the cabinet...others do the power supplies/amps/junction oxes... others polish metal parts (of course rechroming is something that hrows a monkey wrench into the mix)... still others do the painting. What a reat weekend party that would be, huh? Come on!!! Everybody grab your nowshoes and head over to Jackie's for the weekend. I'll make a boat load f Chili and bring the Red Cat. Aaron On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM, David Breneman wrote: > If you were birds of a feather you could flock together. Jackie Elgie wrote: > rofl.....ok...I quit! > Jackie > On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Ron Rich wrote: >> Hey >> This is getting a little "personal" here ----Ron Rich >> >> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >> From: Jackie Elgie >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:05 AM >> >> Mel, will you share your flocking? >> Jackie >> >> >> >> On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Mel Knight wrote: >> >>> Hi All!! >>> >>> I just checked my AMI bible, and you are correct Jackie! The turntable was indeed flocked. Part of the adjustment procedure states >>> " The uppermost surface of the of the turntable flocking should be higher than the bottom edge of the V-shaped gripping edge" >>> I guess this explains why I ended up with about 20 different types of flocking material when a local AMI dealer folded, Lots of >>> different colors! >>> >>> Hope this helps! Mel >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2681 - Release Date: 02/12/10 01:35:00 From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri Feb 12 17:23:28 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Fri Feb 12 17:24:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: <243531.69104.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <243531.69104.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Now that show would be at the top of my Tivo's To Do list every week! What a great bunch of geeks we are.... Would it be safe to say that no one on this list is a fair weather juke fan? I believe we all have a passion for the preservation of this musical past and the machines that made it happen. I was telling Jim Alexander just the other day....there is nothing sadder that to see a jukebox turned off....If I am home, they are powered up ready to entertain! Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 6:25 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Aaron H wrote: > Think of it as > something like one of those Amish barn-raisings...where the > entire community > (and folks from outlying areas) come together to build a > barn in a day. So > I'm figuring what a great thing a jukebox would be! This would be a great idea for a TV series. Sort of like This Old House for jukeboxes. I hereby donate my Seeburg 148 hideaway for shooting the pilot. :-) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2681 - Release Date: 02/12/10 13:35:00 From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Feb 13 09:26:38 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sat Feb 13 09:27:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D6F122B-65BD-4920-998E-5ADFDACAFD41@verizon.net> Hey Kyle, I see exactly what you are talking about, moving the wire clip...I bet over time the wire cover does get worn down, rubbing against the cover. Thanks for the positive response, I learned a lot with the wiring. I am so happy this Mech is easy to understand...Can't wait to have it play a record!!! Jackie On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > Jackie, > NICE! mechanism looks GREAT! > > This first because it's important: > Nice work on the mechanism rewiring. One of the crimped thingys that hold the > 4 zip cords together should probably be placed right where the 4 zip > cords touch the bottom of the red turntable cover, left side. > > This will prevent the cover from eventually chewing through the zip cords and causeing a short. > > Flocking: Quite possibly flocked, but on mine, there is a thin rubberized coating applied, similar to that of 1960s and later Rock Olas. No sign of anything fuzzy. The "flocking" may refer to the rubberized coating too. We can't know what their terminology was. > Touch it up with a Sharpie marker. > Rich, your D80 is supposed to have a turntable disk. Any AMI disk will fit, even from the 1963 era mechs. I personally don't mind them without one. Looks cool when scanning. > > My Rock Ola 1442 (1957, Junior) has a flocked turntable, so yes, some 45 jukes did have them. > > Discussuon on star pattern turntable disks" I wish they'd do one in red. I'd rock one of those on MY G-120! I think they have a black and gray one I almost bought, but am using a later one a-la JAL era (that looks good and was cheap). > > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinball at telus.net Sat Feb 13 09:41:53 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Feb 13 09:43:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM ESVI schematics? Message-ID: <4B76E461.7040703@telus.net> Anyone have the shop manual for the ESVI (ES-6) series of machines? I have everything up to that, and have the operators manual but nothing for schematics... This is for the Cosmic Burst, & Cosmic Blast machines. Thanks! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From michel.malicheff at telenet.be Sat Feb 13 12:26:33 2010 From: michel.malicheff at telenet.be (michel malicheff) Date: Sat Feb 13 12:27:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WURLITZER 2500 REMOTE In-Reply-To: <20100213200004.0B0E9AB01D@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20100213200004.0B0E9AB01D@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <21414CBA136B426C9D04A1484B387578@8b27e768a11248c> Hi, List, Is there somebody who can help me and want to sell a remote control for the WURLITZER STEREO 2500. Thanks in advance. Michel Malicheff Belgium From gibson510 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 13 13:21:47 2010 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Sat Feb 13 13:22:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ESL 100 Carnival question for Ron Message-ID: Ron, I need to remove a frozen mechanism from a Carnival. It appears the front panel slides up / down in the side panel channel but where do i release it? I can't figure out what is holding it in place. Am i overlooking the obvious? Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 13 13:38:27 2010 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Sat Feb 13 13:39:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1015 refinishing advice Message-ID: Mike if you are missing a slug rejector, you can use one from a Seeburg 3W1 Wallbox. That is what is in mine. _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ From chisler at jps.net Sat Feb 13 14:16:10 2010 From: chisler at jps.net (Daniel Chisler) Date: Sat Feb 13 14:13:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reply message1 Message-ID: <4B7724AA.1000907@jps.net> Reply message 1 Your 1442 is 1954 not 1957 . the tables were flocked on the rims on mod 1455 and the earlier ones were all flocked usually brown . I have seen some diffrent color star shapped insides . If you can stand a paper one you can change the colors pretty easy by scanning one and tweaking it in foto shop or painter or many art programs . Let me know if you need a scan I have a file on one daniel@chisler.net on ebay I see a blue and silver one not cheap some one has made in europe some where. From jugert at msn.com Sat Feb 13 19:48:55 2010 From: jugert at msn.com (Don Jugert) Date: Sat Feb 13 19:50:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100-W complete needs retored In-Reply-To: <4B7724AA.1000907@jps.net> References: <4B7724AA.1000907@jps.net> Message-ID: I just cleaned out another garage and found some jukes I want to sell, 2 garages cleaned 4 to go! 1-seeburg 222 that is complete & all original w/good original chrome 1-seeburg 100W that is complete and is a real W, needs restoration but is a solid box---this will make an excellent JB 1-seeburg HF100G that as the conversion but could be restored---has the wico V in the grill 1-seeburg HF100R that is complete and needs restored, chrome needs replated and has one broken side glass 3-rockolas 1493 princes in need of restoration--would make someone a great pkg deal for the lot of 3. 1-seeburg model 161 that is completely original - chrome is excellent for an original and sides really look nice for age 1-seeburg model 201 that is in just as nice original condition, both the 161 & 201 really only need the mech cleaned they are both super. 1-seeburg model 8800 that is a really nice original that only needs to be taken apart/cleaned and put back together---it is nice 1-wurlitzer model 24 that is 100% complete including coin that needs restored, the left corner plastic has a crack but the crack is in the grove and you cannot see it. I don't have a spare corner. The walnut cabinet is extra nice and will be an easy finish. 1-wurlitzer C110 cassette jukebox that is 100% complete and the last time I plugged it in it worked but that was around 1980? 9- seeburg B-C-G-W original mech covers, yep so far I have found 9 of them and I am sure I have more. I quit restoring to sell in 2000 and now I really only retore for my collection... jukeboxes don't get me exicted anymore but I do have several I need to finish. -contact me off-list if you have any interest. Don Jugert Colorful Colorado www.jukeboxdon.com don@jukeboxdon.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Feb 13 20:10:00 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Feb 13 20:11:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ESL 100 Carnival question for Ron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <482105.92370.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, Sorry-I don't remember stuff like that--Don't know if I have ever done it !--just gotta figure it out--The "I&O Manual" might show you-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 2/13/10, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] ESL 100 Carnival question for Ron To: "jukebox list" Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 PM Ron, I need to remove a frozen mechanism from a Carnival. It appears the front panel slides up / down in the side panel channel but where do i release it? I can't figure out what is holding it in place. Am i overlooking? the obvious? Thanks! Rick ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Feb 13 20:11:37 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Feb 13 20:12:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1015 refinishing advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <86741.18202.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy's Almost the same--but not quite--gotta be modified a slight bit-One from a jukebox, should be the same-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 2/13/10, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1015 refinishing advice To: "jukebox list" Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:38 PM Mike if you are missing a slug rejector, you can use one from a Seeburg 3W1 Wallbox. That is what is in mine. ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Feb 14 04:33:18 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sun Feb 14 04:34:30 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100-W complete needs retored In-Reply-To: References: <4B7724AA.1000907@jps.net> Message-ID: <76B43BC0-BFC2-4E0C-A8C5-2959DCE32273@verizon.net> Good Morning, Now I know where our First Jukebox Gathering should be....we can repair and all take one home! :) Don, too bad u are so far away from me, I would love a Rockola Princess, good luck, Jackie On Feb 13, 2010, at 10:48 PM, Don Jugert wrote: > > I just cleaned out another garage and found some jukes I want to sell, 2 garages cleaned 4 to go! > > 1-seeburg 222 that is complete & all original w/good original chrome > > 1-seeburg 100W that is complete and is a real W, needs restoration but is a solid box---this will make an excellent JB > > 1-seeburg HF100G that as the conversion but could be restored---has the wico V in the grill > > 1-seeburg HF100R that is complete and needs restored, chrome needs replated and has one broken side glass > > 3-rockolas 1493 princes in need of restoration--would make someone a great pkg deal for the lot of 3. > > 1-seeburg model 161 that is completely original - chrome is excellent for an original and sides really look nice for age > > 1-seeburg model 201 that is in just as nice original condition, both the 161 & 201 really only need the mech cleaned they are both super. > > 1-seeburg model 8800 that is a really nice original that only needs to be taken apart/cleaned and put back together---it is nice > > 1-wurlitzer model 24 that is 100% complete including coin that needs restored, the left corner plastic has a crack but the crack is in the grove and you cannot see it. I don't have a spare corner. The walnut cabinet is extra nice and will be an easy finish. > > 1-wurlitzer C110 cassette jukebox that is 100% complete and the last time I plugged it in it worked but that was around 1980? > > 9- seeburg B-C-G-W original mech covers, yep so far I have found 9 of them and I am sure I have more. > > > > I quit restoring to sell in 2000 and now I really only retore for my collection... jukeboxes don't get me exicted anymore but I do have several I need to finish. > > > > -contact me off-list if you have any interest. > > > > Don Jugert > > Colorful Colorado > > www.jukeboxdon.com > > don@jukeboxdon.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Feb 14 07:20:19 2010 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 14 07:21:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100-W complete needs retored Message-ID: <195ef.5961a1b7.38a96eb3@aol.com> Wow. It would take a lot of us to do all those jukes in 1 day or weekend.It would probably take 1 person all day just to rebuild that Seeburg 222 amp...lol.Lots of caps in there. Wonder how big Don's place is. Sure hope the fire code people don't drop by for overcrowding...lol. I would love a Rockola Princess but I'm also far away as I live in Maryland not too far away from Jackie. Don't have any visible mech 45 jukes that drop the record down and play it flat in front of you. All vertical play Seeburgs and Wurlitzers here.Wish my Wurlitzer 24 had as good a cabinet as the one you describe. Mine needs some veneer work. J.C. In a message dated 2/14/2010 7:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Good Morning, Now I know where our First Jukebox Gathering should be....we can repair and all take one home! :) Don, too bad u are so far away from me, I would love a Rockola Princess, good luck, Jackie From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Feb 14 07:46:41 2010 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 14 07:47:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Gathering Another Thought Message-ID: <19e71.154ca91a.38a974e1@aol.com> I just had another thought also. I know we have repairmen that travel to people's house to help with mechanism/electronic repairs. Mel helps Jackie when she needs it.As well as Ron and others helping people. How about some cabinet, woodworking and veneer gurus helping people that are weak in those areas? We have the guy needing advice on his 1015 cabinet restoration and I mentioned my own Wurlitzer 24 in my reply to the other post. It has a crack going down each side and needs several veneer patches. I'd like to save the original veneer if possible. I've seen veneer repair websites and videos but still haven't the foggiest idea how to match the veneer up so it doesn't show. Seems I would need veneer from a donor 24 cabinet if I wanted it to match.And then there's the laquer spraying when you don't own the equipment. Some of us need cosmetic help more than technical help. I'd like to watch someone in person to learn for future jukeboxes also.Most of us learn best by watching and doing than reading about it in a book or on the internet. J.C. In a message dated 2/14/2010 7:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Good Morning, Now I know where our First Jukebox Gathering should be....we can repair and all take one home! :) Don, too bad u are so far away from me, I would love a Rockola Princess, good luck From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sun Feb 14 08:33:26 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 14 08:34:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Gathering Another Thought In-Reply-To: <19e71.154ca91a.38a974e1@aol.com> References: <19e71.154ca91a.38a974e1@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC7BAA910A927A-5F34-1597C@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> I live in Kansas City... -----Original Message----- From: Jjmscf@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Sun, Feb 14, 2010 9:46 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Gathering Another Thought I just had another thought also. I know we have repairmen that travel to people's house to help with mechanism/electronic repairs. Mel helps Jackie when she needs it.As well as Ron and others helping people. How about some cabinet, woodworking and veneer gurus helping people that are weak in those areas? We have the guy needing advice on his 1015 cabinet restoration and I mentioned my own Wurlitzer 24 in my reply to the other post. It has a crack going down each side and needs several veneer patches. I'd like to save the original veneer if possible. I've seen veneer repair websites and videos but still haven't the foggiest idea how to match the veneer up so it doesn't show. Seems I would need veneer from a donor 24 cabinet if I wanted it to match.And then there's the laquer spraying when you don't own the equipment. Some of us need cosmetic help more than technical help. I'd like to watch someone in person to learn for future jukeboxes also.Most of us learn best by watching and doing than reading about it in a book or on the internet. J.C. In a message dated 2/14/2010 7:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Good Morning, Now I know where our First Jukebox Gathering should be....we can repair and all take one home! :) Don, too bad u are so far away from me, I would love a Rockola Princess, good luck _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Feb 14 08:46:05 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sun Feb 14 08:47:17 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Gathering Another Thought In-Reply-To: <19e71.154ca91a.38a974e1@aol.com> References: <19e71.154ca91a.38a974e1@aol.com> Message-ID: <64840DD7-A4DF-4038-B299-251874B5079A@verizon.net> JC, good point, you are correct about needing help in all areas! Perhaps we could book a place central to most of us and have a weekend workshop? I'm Game! Jackie On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > I just had another thought also. I know we have repairmen that travel to > people's house to help with mechanism/electronic repairs. Mel helps Jackie > when she needs it.As well as Ron and others helping people. > How about some cabinet, woodworking and veneer gurus helping people that > are weak in those areas? We have the guy needing advice on his 1015 cabinet > restoration and I mentioned my own Wurlitzer 24 in my reply to the other > post. It has a crack going down each side and needs several veneer patches. > I'd like to save the original veneer if possible. I've seen veneer repair > websites and videos but still haven't the foggiest idea how to match the > veneer up so it doesn't show. Seems I would need veneer from a donor 24 cabinet > if I wanted it to match.And then there's the laquer spraying when you don't > own the equipment. > > Some of us need cosmetic help more than technical help. I'd like to watch > someone in person to learn for future jukeboxes also.Most of us learn best > by watching and doing than reading about it in a book or on the internet. > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 2/14/2010 7:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > etreble7@verizon.net writes: > > Good Morning, > Now I know where our First Jukebox Gathering should be....we can repair > and all take one home! :) Don, too bad u are so far away from me, I would > love a Rockola Princess, good luck > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Feb 14 11:26:04 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Feb 14 11:27:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Reply message1 Message-ID: Yes, I know it's a 1954 and saw that I had mistyped that. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Feb 14 11:30:41 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Feb 14 11:31:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100-W complete needs retored Message-ID: No denying it, there's a LOT of jukes still out there in need of care. I actually helped broker a deal on a trailer full of 1948-1959 era jukes (24 of them, I think), but only got to see a couple of them after the fact. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Feb 14 11:35:11 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Feb 14 11:36:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Gathering Another Thought Message-ID: You could always run an ad in your local craigslist for a local woodworker/cabinet maker/furniture restorer. Something like veneer matching stats to boarder into the artistic. Veneer is veneer for a reason. It's a thin layer of nicer wood over cheaper/heavier construction. If it's messed up badly enough, it's easier to just pull it off and replace it. The damaged cabinets have little to do with the mechanical end and nobody expects anyone here to be a jack of all trades. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From bbroome8 at tampabay.rr.com Thu Feb 11 17:22:31 2010 From: bbroome8 at tampabay.rr.com (bill broome) Date: Sun Feb 14 13:36:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] need suggestions Message-ID: <87D5318530534A29A9936D6A2B4147D5@billms> I HAVE A ROWE/AMI MM-1 JUKEBOX. THE 2.8 FUSE THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE TURN TABLE, RECORD ARM TO PUT RECORD ON TURNTABLE BLOWS AS SOON AS REPLACED. I'VE NOTICED SOME WIRES ARE BARE ON THE ARM AND DIFFERENT HUMES COME WHEN I MOVE THE WIRES OR TOUCH THEM TO MEDAL. I KNOE I HAVE A SHORT BUT NOT ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE TO LOCATE WHERE IT'S SHORTING OUT. ANY SUGGESTIONS. THANKS, BILL From edwarddowney at hotmail.com Sat Feb 13 22:36:06 2010 From: edwarddowney at hotmail.com (edward downey) Date: Sun Feb 14 13:37:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 79, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <20100213200003.59F8DAB015@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20100213200003.59F8DAB015@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: john these juke's came as 45 and cd the cd is a cdm-4/5 the 45 was the last of them cosmic was a given name just to the cabinet or style when i need to go tech on these unit's i refer to there master manual's,as each series had 1.but differed little could u spec what u require ? ed Message: 10 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:41:53 -0800 From: John Robertson Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM ESVI schematics? To: Jukebox List Message-ID: <4B76E461.7040703@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Anyone have the shop manual for the ESVI (ES-6) series of machines? I have everything up to that, and have the operators manual but nothing for schematics... This is for the Cosmic Burst, & Cosmic Blast machines. Thanks! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > From: jukebox-list-request@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 79, Issue 13 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:00:03 -0800 > > Send Jukebox-list mailing list submissions to > jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > jukebox-list-request@lists.netlojix.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > jukebox-list-owner@lists.netlojix.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Jukebox-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. AMI G80 coming along (Mechanical Music of S.F.) > 2. Jukebox gathering (Mechanical Music of S.F.) > 3. Help with my first juke - Wurlitzer 2800 (michel malicheff) > 4. Re: Seeburg Pinbank Curiosity (Ron Rich) > 5. Re: AMI G80 coming along (jhayes2613@aol.com) > 6. Re: AMI G80 coming along (David Breneman) > 7. RE: AMI G80 coming along (SSG Rich Myers) > 8. RE: AMI G80 coming along (SSG Rich Myers) > 9. Re: AMI G80 coming along (Jackie Elgie) > 10. NSM ESVI schematics? (John Robertson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:10:41 -0800 > From: Mechanical Music of S.F. > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > Jackie, > NICE! mechanism looks GREAT! > > This first because it's important: > Nice work on the mechanism rewiring. One of the crimped thingys that hold the > 4 zip cords together should probably be placed right where the 4 zip > cords touch the bottom of the red turntable cover, left side. > > This will prevent the cover from eventually chewing through the zip cords and causeing a short. > > Flocking: Quite possibly flocked, but on mine, there is a thin rubberized coating applied, similar to that of 1960s and later Rock Olas. No sign of anything fuzzy. The "flocking" may refer to the rubberized coating too. We can't know what their terminology was. > Touch it up with a Sharpie marker. > Rich, your D80 is supposed to have a turntable disk. Any AMI disk will fit, even from the 1963 era mechs. I personally don't mind them without one. Looks cool when scanning. > > My Rock Ola 1442 (1957, Junior) has a flocked turntable, so yes, some 45 jukes did have them. > > Discussuon on star pattern turntable disks" I wish they'd do one in red. I'd rock one of those on MY G-120! I think they have a black and gray one I almost bought, but am using a later one a-la JAL era (that looks good and was cheap). > > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:16:16 -0800 > From: Mechanical Music of S.F. > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox gathering > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > The people from my Herbie/VW message board actually did this. > It's not something that couldn't be done, although it's an exceptional group. > Using a message board allows us to post photos of our projects and ourselves, embed videos, etc., so we're well acquainted with each other. We also run a section on the forum where people can post topics all about their car that can be referred to instantly. > > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:07:00 +0100 > From: "michel malicheff" > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with my first juke - Wurlitzer 2800 > To: > Message-ID: <0A561BFDDB2A4DBEA8A05344BCB26343@8b27e768a11248c> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Oh, sorry, I got the 3000 dated 66 or 67. > > That was actually my second one. The first one is the Seeburg M100 > Besides that I got the RockOla 440, the NSM Prestige, a Rowe Ami "The Music > Miracle" and a Hartig. > As a hobby I repair and do maintenance on request, without advertising, just > by friends and relations propagation. > Tell me if I can help. > Michel Malicheff (Belgium) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:20:42 -0800 (PST) > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Pinbank Curiosity > To: Jukebox mailing list > Message-ID: <909004.57370.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Mauro, > The early washers are copper, the later ones are stainless steel. They are interchangeable. Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Mauro wrote: > > From: Mauro > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Pinbank Curiosity > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 8:43 AM > > Hi I thought I'd run this through the list to see if anyone can shed some light on this. > I'm in the middle of a pinbank rebuild and one of the notched contact washers "A1" is silver? The rest are a copper colour. Any pinbank I have ever done have always been copper. I think it's just a coincidence it is in the A1 position but to get proper continuity I had to do some extra polishing with contact cleaner as there seemed to be some surface resistance on this particular washer. Did Seeburg make a run of these with the silver colored contact washers at one time? I think that if they did they were probably problematic. > Any Seeburg guru's here who could shed some light on this? > I'm just curious, > Mauro > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:09:15 -0500 > From: jhayes2613@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Message-ID: <8CC7A4F87C921CA-4F84-1921@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I live in Kansas City and have five non-working boxes. Come one, come all. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron H > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:42 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > > > Now I ALWAYS thought that would be a GREAT idea for some of us to meet each > ther, have a great time, and help out at the same time. Think of it as > omething like one of those Amish barn-raisings...where the entire community > and folks from outlying areas) come together to build a barn in a day. So > 'm figuring what a great thing a jukebox would be! Jackie buys a jukebox > or any of us), then we all fly in and work on it. Some of us do the > ech...others do the cabinet...others do the power supplies/amps/junction > oxes... others polish metal parts (of course rechroming is something that > hrows a monkey wrench into the mix)... still others do the painting. What a > reat weekend party that would be, huh? Come on!!! Everybody grab your > nowshoes and head over to Jackie's for the weekend. I'll make a boat load > f Chili and bring the Red Cat. > Aaron > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM, David Breneman wrote: > > If you were birds of a feather you could flock together. > > Jackie Elgie wrote: > > rofl.....ok...I quit! > > Jackie > > On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Hey > >> This is getting a little "personal" here ----Ron Rich > >> > >> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> > >> From: Jackie Elgie > >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:05 AM > >> > >> Mel, will you share your flocking? > >> Jackie > >> > >> > >> > >> On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Mel Knight wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All!! > >>> > >>> I just checked my AMI bible, and you are correct Jackie! The > turntable was indeed flocked. Part of the adjustment procedure states > >>> " The uppermost surface of the of the turntable flocking should be > higher than the bottom edge of the V-shaped gripping edge" > >>> I guess this explains why I ended up with about 20 different types of > flocking material when a local AMI dealer folded, Lots of > >>> different colors! > >>> > >>> Hope this helps! Mel > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Jukebox-list mailing list > >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > ______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:24:52 -0800 (PST) > From: David Breneman > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > To: Jukebox mailing list > Message-ID: <243531.69104.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Aaron H wrote: > > > Think of it as > > something like one of those Amish barn-raisings...where the > > entire community > > (and folks from outlying areas) come together to build a > > barn in a day. So > > I'm figuring what a great thing a jukebox would be! > > > This would be a great idea for a TV series. Sort of like This > Old House for jukeboxes. I hereby donate my Seeburg 148 hideaway > for shooting the pilot. :-) > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:17:50 -0600 > From: "SSG Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Message-ID: <204A25370FA54D099BAF3E022835C0F3@p4> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > That would be three if you put the amp back in the Rhapsody and the > turntable motor in the Fiesta..... ;-) Do I need to schedule an > appointment to get you working??????????????? > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of > jhayes2613@aol.com > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 5:09 PM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > > I live in Kansas City and have five non-working boxes. Come one, come all. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron H > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:42 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > > > Now I ALWAYS thought that would be a GREAT idea for some of us to meet each > ther, have a great time, and help out at the same time. Think of it as > omething like one of those Amish barn-raisings...where the entire community > and folks from outlying areas) come together to build a barn in a day. So > 'm figuring what a great thing a jukebox would be! Jackie buys a jukebox > or any of us), then we all fly in and work on it. Some of us do the > ech...others do the cabinet...others do the power supplies/amps/junction > oxes... others polish metal parts (of course rechroming is something that > hrows a monkey wrench into the mix)... still others do the painting. What a > reat weekend party that would be, huh? Come on!!! Everybody grab your > nowshoes and head over to Jackie's for the weekend. I'll make a boat load > f Chili and bring the Red Cat. > Aaron > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM, David Breneman > wrote: > > If you were birds of a feather you could flock together. > > Jackie Elgie wrote: > > rofl.....ok...I quit! > > Jackie > > On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Hey > >> This is getting a little "personal" here ----Ron Rich > >> > >> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> > >> From: Jackie Elgie > >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:05 AM > >> > >> Mel, will you share your flocking? > >> Jackie > >> > >> > >> > >> On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Mel Knight wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All!! > >>> > >>> I just checked my AMI bible, and you are correct Jackie! The > turntable was indeed flocked. Part of the adjustment procedure states > >>> " The uppermost surface of the of the turntable flocking should be > higher than the bottom edge of the V-shaped gripping edge" > >>> I guess this explains why I ended up with about 20 different types of > flocking material when a local AMI dealer folded, Lots of > >>> different colors! > >>> > >>> Hope this helps! Mel > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Jukebox-list mailing list > >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > ______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2681 - Release Date: 02/12/10 > 01:35:00 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:23:28 -0600 > From: "SSG Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Now that show would be at the top of my Tivo's To Do list every week! What > a great bunch of geeks we are.... > > Would it be safe to say that no one on this list is a fair weather juke fan? > I believe we all have a passion for the preservation of this musical past > and the machines that made it happen. > > I was telling Jim Alexander just the other day....there is nothing sadder > that to see a jukebox turned off....If I am home, they are powered up ready > to entertain! > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 6:25 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > > --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Aaron H wrote: > > > Think of it as > > something like one of those Amish barn-raisings...where the > > entire community > > (and folks from outlying areas) come together to build a > > barn in a day. So > > I'm figuring what a great thing a jukebox would be! > > > This would be a great idea for a TV series. Sort of like This > Old House for jukeboxes. I hereby donate my Seeburg 148 hideaway > for shooting the pilot. :-) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2681 - Release Date: 02/12/10 > 13:35:00 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:26:38 -0500 > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G80 coming along > To: Jukebox mailing list > Message-ID: <3D6F122B-65BD-4920-998E-5ADFDACAFD41@verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Hey Kyle, > I see exactly what you are talking about, moving the wire clip...I bet over time the wire cover does get worn down, rubbing against the cover. Thanks for the positive response, I learned a lot with the wiring. I am so happy this Mech is easy to understand...Can't wait to have it play a record!!! > Jackie > > > > On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > > > > Jackie, > > NICE! mechanism looks GREAT! > > > > This first because it's important: > > Nice work on the mechanism rewiring. One of the crimped thingys that hold the > > 4 zip cords together should probably be placed right where the 4 zip > > cords touch the bottom of the red turntable cover, left side. > > > > This will prevent the cover from eventually chewing through the zip cords and causeing a short. > > > > Flocking: Quite possibly flocked, but on mine, there is a thin rubberized coating applied, similar to that of 1960s and later Rock Olas. No sign of anything fuzzy. The "flocking" may refer to the rubberized coating too. We can't know what their terminology was. > > Touch it up with a Sharpie marker. > > Rich, your D80 is supposed to have a turntable disk. Any AMI disk will fit, even from the 1963 era mechs. I personally don't mind them without one. Looks cool when scanning. > > > > My Rock Ola 1442 (1957, Junior) has a flocked turntable, so yes, some 45 jukes did have them. > > > > Discussuon on star pattern turntable disks" I wish they'd do one in red. I'd rock one of those on MY G-120! I think they have a black and gray one I almost bought, but am using a later one a-la JAL era (that looks good and was cheap). > > > > > > Kyle ~ > > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:41:53 -0800 > From: John Robertson > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM ESVI schematics? > To: Jukebox List > Message-ID: <4B76E461.7040703@telus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Anyone have the shop manual for the ESVI (ES-6) series of machines? I > have everything up to that, and have the operators manual but nothing > for schematics... > > This is for the Cosmic Burst, & Cosmic Blast machines. > > Thanks! > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > End of Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 79, Issue 13 > ******************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Windows? phone. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9708122 From joe400f at shaw.ca Sun Feb 14 14:55:56 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sun Feb 14 14:57:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Gathering Another Thought References: <19e71.154ca91a.38a974e1@aol.com> <64840DD7-A4DF-4038-B299-251874B5079A@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000c01caadc8$de0ed960$48944e18@compaq> The Chicagoland Coin op show is coming up in April. This would be a great place to meet. I have met some members and many dealers. Great show and great people. Joey McDonald From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Feb 14 15:13:00 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Feb 14 15:14:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] need suggestions In-Reply-To: <87D5318530534A29A9936D6A2B4147D5@billms> Message-ID: <728021.19266.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 2/11/10, bill broome shouted: > I HAVE A ROWE/AMI MM-1 JUKEBOX. > THE 2.8 FUSE THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE TURN TABLE, RECORD ARM > TO PUT RECORD ON TURNTABLE BLOWS AS SOON AS REPLACED. > I'VE NOTICED SOME WIRES ARE BARE ON THE ARM AND DIFFERENT > HUMES COME WHEN I MOVE THE WIRES OR TOUCH THEM TO > MEDAL. I KNOE I HAVE A SHORT BUT > NOT ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE TO LOCATE WHERE IT'S SHORTING > OUT. ANY SUGGESTIONS. I've you've been lurking here for any length of time before posting this, you should know what the first suggestion will be: Get the manual. You need to become familiar with the theory of operation of the machine. "Blows as soon as replaced" suggests to me that with the mechanism in its rest position, the fuse blows as it is inserted into the holder. The only wires *on* the tonearm are audio lines and they are extremely low voltage and therefore not fused. Also, although I'm not an expert on this specific mechanism, I would be surprised to learn that the same fuse protects the transfer motor (usually low voltage DC) and the turntable (usually mains current AC. Get a little more familiarity with the mechanism and how it works and you will be able to ask questions that are easier to answer. From steve.lane at dishmail.net Sun Feb 14 17:05:54 2010 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Sun Feb 14 17:06:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <20100211.212628.452.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100211.212628.452.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <61088cf91002141705w35b5afbbj1f42fc83ce0462e4@mail.gmail.com> What about the 6" speakers that are in the Wurlitzer Zodiac 3500? I looked at the Jensen website and did not see any of that size. Is there another company that has suitable replacements? Thanks Steve On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:26 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Hello Norm: > > By and large we are in agreement. Some Tannoy products (mostly complete > spkr systems rather than raw-frame drivers) are imported to the US. They > are regarded as extremely high quality performers from a long-established > English manufacturer with wonderful performance.Their units fit my > definition of a neutral sounding speaker. They are considered > top-of-the-line devices, and command premium prices. > The 12 or 15" coaxial (Tannoy calls it a dual concentric) speaker sold > here is the Tannoy Gold. These are often used as large-format recording > studio monitors > > The only disagreement that I would with you is that the Tannoy Gold will > cost more than the average jukebox fan would be wiling to spend on a 12" > full range jukebox speaker. > > With regard to the various Italian-made Jensen models, the AlNiCo magnet > models should sound identical to their less expensive ceramic magnet > counterparts. I have not taken the time to compare response curves of one > against the other. > Jensen is installing different cone assemblies in their higher wattage > handling models versus their lower powered products. The lower powered > ones seem to be peakier in the mid-band than the hi-powered ones. This is > why I recomended the 50 watt vintage ceramic model. > > The Quam product line is a long established product in the US, at one > time was regarded as a competitor to Jensen in that they supplied electronic > equipment manufacturers with built-to-order loudspeaker drivers in big > quantities. Primarily, their product is now used in commercial sound > systems, fire alarm warning systems,school intercom, etc. Even though these > utility systems are not known for producing great sound, the "sleeper" is > that that the speakers perform very well at relatively modest prices. I > don't believe they've published any freq response data beyond what is seen > on their website. The response curve of the Quam 12" full range speaker I > recommended performs similar to the Jensen PAC-12-N model, except the Quam > unit has an extended high freq response. > In a jukebox speaker system like the AMI Continental I, the 4" tweeter is > crossed in between 2,000 and 3,000 Hz. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Love Spell > Click here to light up your life with a love spell! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=s9xJ-al3kN38skUcH-Y71AAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Feb 14 18:59:48 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Feb 14 19:03:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement Message-ID: <20100214.215948.19916.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Steve: Jensen does make a 6" guitar speaker (in their Mod line) but it would not make a great mid-hi-range reproducer, and it is not a closed-back device. Look at the speakers at Parts Express (web: www.partsexpress.com) You should find a suitable product from the Selenium, Eminence or Goldwood brands at that site. Contact me again if you need further assistance. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=m7iFBWAR4Ocvy1TOsolYHAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Sun Feb 14 20:59:19 2010 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Sun Feb 14 21:00:18 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Speaker Replacements? Message-ID: <308698.18835.qm@web110816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Just a note to thank everyone here for their input on my question last week about replacing the speakers in an HF100R we have here in the shop. I really appreciated the advice. You guys are great. John Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Sun Feb 14 21:10:41 2010 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Sun Feb 14 21:11:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings Message-ID: <728168.81826.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have an AMI G-200, and I recently found a bunch of the 3-D classification headings that are quite unique looking. If you've never seen them, they consist of little letters about 1/2" high molded out of colorful plastic, each sitting on a plastic base that has two little pins protruding from the bottom. These two pins were supposed to be inserted into the two little holes that you find behind the glass in the bottom of each title strip area. Most machines never had them installed, I assume they were an option. They all say different things, like "HITS", "CLASSICS", "BLUES", "FAVORITES", "JAZZ", etc. Some are blue, and some are red-orange. My question though is that my classification headings have SQUARE PINS out the bottom for mounting, and the holes in the program holder are ROUND! I'm at odds as to how they were supposed to fit in there, because as everyone knows... YOU CAN'T FIT A SQUARE PEG... etc. :) If I force them in, I know I'll break them. They must have made some with round pins? Maybe mine are for a different model? The H or I perhaps? But then, I cant for the life of me figure out why AMI would have changed the pins from round to square. If anyone can shed a little light on this I'd love to hear it! John Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Sun Feb 14 21:18:34 2010 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Sun Feb 14 21:19:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G-200 Turntables Message-ID: <747392.27472.qm@web110816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The turntable trim ring on my G-200 is brushed gold in color, not textured at all. This Ami was purchased from the original family that bought it new, so I'd have no reason to think it was anything but stock. I don't have it in front of me right now, so i can't say exactly if it has a flocked edge or not. Conversely, my Ami E-120 has a silver trim ring with a hammered finish. I've seen several of these, so I'd say that was what they came with from the factory. What did the later style such as the JBM and JAL from the early 60's have as far as a edge cushion? It looks like my 1963 JBM had nothing ever but black wrinkle paint over steel. Does that seem right? I have several mechanisms from this era and they all have the same black wrinkle paint with no sign of flock or a mat ring. John Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Feb 14 22:35:36 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Feb 14 22:38:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement Message-ID: <20100215.013536.18295.1@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Steve: Here are some choices pulled from the Parts Express website. If you're buying outside the US, maybe you can find these speakers in your country. Best performing sealed-back 8 ohm mid range choice is the Pioneer FB11EC14-S/P. Parts Express SKU # is 280-045. Overall spkr diameter is 5.25" This may require you to build plywood adapter rings to mount these speakers in the holes intended for a 6"dia. speaker. measure before you buy. A slightly larger dia spkr with good electrical specs is the Dayton PK-165-8 . Sku # is 295-020 This is called a 6.5" dia speaker. Too big to fit? A 6" full range spkr with good specs for this job is (back of frame not sealed) is Dayton PA165-8. SKU is 295-015. Hope this gives you some ideas. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Feb 15 00:07:58 2010 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Mon Feb 15 00:09:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G-200 Turntables In-Reply-To: <747392.27472.qm@web110816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <747392.27472.qm@web110816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4a98c82ec63f7e801398590f1d76f333.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Yes, the JAL and upwards (i.e. The Rowes) had a kind of rubberised wrinkle paint. This covered the whole of the turntable not just the rim. The visible mech JAL.JEL's had the silver plate with 33/45 Automix written on it and pictures of small and large center holed records embossed in it. i.e. the same as the one on the Continental 2. Later Rowes that did not hav visible mechs did not have the decorative plate. A few years later the turntable centre became orange, and then a buff colour. However the edge was never flocked and just a slightly rubbery hammer paint. The later ones (mid-late 70s) actually had a different turntable - unpainted alloy, with a proper rubber mat on, which unclipped. Very similar to the early electronic Rockolas - 477 etc.. Nigel, UK > The turntable trim ring on my G-200 is brushed gold in color, not textured > at all. This Ami was purchased from the original family that bought it > new, so I'd have no reason to think it was anything but stock. I don't > have it in front of me right now, so i can't say exactly if it has a > flocked edge or not. > > Conversely, my Ami E-120 has a silver trim ring with a hammered finish. > I've seen several of these, so I'd say that was what they came with from > the factory. > > What did the later style such as the JBM and JAL from the early 60's have > as far as a edge cushion? It looks like my 1963 JBM had nothing ever but > black wrinkle paint over steel. Does that seem right? I have several > mechanisms from this era and they all have the same black wrinkle paint > with no sign of flock or a mat ring. > > John Rutoskey > Automatic Music Machines > Baltimore, Maryland > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Mon Feb 15 01:45:52 2010 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (gnharvey@iprimus.com.au) Date: Mon Feb 15 01:47:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings In-Reply-To: <728168.81826.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B575778000174AF@cpms01.int.iprimus.net.au> The square ones may be reproductions. I purchases a set of reproduction ones for my AMI I and they had square pegs. I had to sand them down to fit. Graeme Harvey >-- Original Message -- >Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:10:41 -0800 (PST) >From: Automatic Music >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings >Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list > > >I have an AMI G-200, and I recently found a bunch of the 3-D classification >headings that are quite unique looking. If you've never seen them, they consist >of little letters about 1/2" high molded out of colorful plastic, each sitting >on a plastic base that has two little pins protruding from the bottom. These >two pins were supposed to be inserted into the two little holes that you >find behind the glass in the bottom of each title strip area. Most machines >never had them installed, I assume they were an option. They all say different >things, like "HITS", "CLASSICS", "BLUES", "FAVORITES", "JAZZ", etc. Some >are blue, and some are red-orange. > >My question though is that my classification headings have SQUARE PINS out >the bottom for mounting, and the holes in the program holder are ROUND! I'm >at odds as to how they were supposed to fit in there, because as everyone >knows... YOU CAN'T FIT A SQUARE PEG... etc. :) If I force them in, I know >I'll break them. They must have made some with round pins? Maybe mine are >for a different model? The H or I perhaps? But then, I cant for the life >of me figure out why AMI would have changed the pins from round to square. > > >If anyone can shed a little light on this I'd love to hear it! > >John Rutoskey >Automatic Music Machines >Baltimore, Maryland > > > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 08:09:13 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 15 08:10:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings In-Reply-To: <728168.81826.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <278574.41896.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi John, You may have "hit" on the reason that no one used them--square pins in a round hole--- I have seen them in something before--lying in an envelope on the floor of the juke-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 2/14/10, Automatic Music wrote: From: Automatic Music Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 9:10 PM I have an AMI G-200, and I recently found a bunch of the 3-D classification headings that are quite unique looking. If you've never seen them, they consist of little letters about 1/2" high molded out of colorful plastic, each sitting on a plastic base that has two little pins protruding from the bottom. These two pins were supposed to be inserted into the two little holes that you find behind the glass in the bottom of each title strip area. Most machines never had them installed, I assume they were an option. They all say different things, like "HITS", "CLASSICS", "BLUES", "FAVORITES", "JAZZ", etc. Some are blue, and some are red-orange. My question though is that my classification headings have SQUARE PINS out the bottom for mounting, and the holes in the program holder are ROUND! I'm at odds as to how they were supposed to fit in there, because as everyone knows... YOU CAN'T FIT A SQUARE PEG... etc. :) If I force them in, I know I'll break them. They must have made some with round pins? Maybe mine are for a different model? The H or I perhaps? But then, I cant for the life of me figure out why AMI would have changed the pins from round to square. If anyone can shed a little light on this I'd love to hear it! John Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From m.desimone at rogers.com Mon Feb 15 08:19:35 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (Mauro) Date: Mon Feb 15 08:20:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings Message-ID: <298322.85502.qm@web88104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> John, I'll check my model I and model J next time I'm at my fathers house ( that's where I keep them) and let you know if the holes are square or round. Mauro On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:10 AM, Automatic Music wrote: I have an AMI G-200, and I recently found a bunch of the 3-D classification headings that are quite unique looking. If you've never seen them, they consist of little letters about 1/2" high molded out of colorful plastic, each sitting on a plastic base that has two little pins protruding from the bottom. These two pins were supposed to be inserted into the two little holes that you find behind the glass in the bottom of each title strip area. Most machines never had them installed, I assume they were an option. They all say different things, like "HITS", "CLASSICS", "BLUES", "FAVORITES", "JAZZ", etc. Some are blue, and some are red-orange. My question though is that my classification headings have SQUARE PINS out the bottom for mounting, and the holes in the program holder are ROUND! I'm at odds as to how they were supposed to fit in there, because as everyone knows... YOU CAN'T FIT A SQUARE PEG... etc. :) If I force them in, I know I'll break them. They must have made some with round pins? Maybe mine are for a different model? The H or I perhaps? But then, I cant for the life of me figure out why AMI would have changed the pins from round to square. If anyone can shed a little light on this I'd love to hear it! John Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Feb 15 08:23:17 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Mon Feb 15 08:24:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings In-Reply-To: <728168.81826.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <728168.81826.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52F82521-8E7D-4CE1-AC4A-784DDF2DEDED@verizon.net> John, too bad those don't fit properly...they sound like they would finish off the Title Board with a classy look....something I would be interested in, Jackie On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:10 AM, Automatic Music wrote: > I have an AMI G-200, and I recently found a bunch of the 3-D classification headings that are quite unique looking. If you've never seen them, they consist of little letters about 1/2" high molded out of colorful plastic, each sitting on a plastic base that has two little pins protruding from the bottom. These two pins were supposed to be inserted into the two little holes that you find behind the glass in the bottom of each title strip area. Most machines never had them installed, I assume they were an option. They all say different things, like "HITS", "CLASSICS", "BLUES", "FAVORITES", "JAZZ", etc. Some are blue, and some are red-orange. > > My question though is that my classification headings have SQUARE PINS out the bottom for mounting, and the holes in the program holder are ROUND! I'm at odds as to how they were supposed to fit in there, because as everyone knows... YOU CAN'T FIT A SQUARE PEG... etc. :) If I force them in, I know I'll break them. They must have made some with round pins? Maybe mine are for a different model? The H or I perhaps? But then, I cant for the life of me figure out why AMI would have changed the pins from round to square. > > If anyone can shed a little light on this I'd love to hear it! > > John Rutoskey > Automatic Music Machines > Baltimore, Maryland > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 08:30:47 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 15 08:31:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings In-Reply-To: <52F82521-8E7D-4CE1-AC4A-784DDF2DEDED@verizon.net> Message-ID: <288483.19254.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, I think that you could bust of the pins, and use some contact glue to hold them in place--I have seen them used somehow--some where, and I thought they looked nice--? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 8:23 AM John, too bad those don't fit properly...they sound like they would finish off the Title Board with a classy look....something I would be interested in, Jackie On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:10 AM, Automatic Music wrote: > I have an AMI G-200, and I recently found a bunch of the 3-D classification headings that are quite unique looking. If you've never seen them, they consist of little letters about 1/2" high molded out of colorful plastic, each sitting on a plastic base that has two little pins protruding from the bottom. These two pins were supposed to be inserted into the two little holes that you find behind the glass in the bottom of each title strip area. Most machines never had them installed, I assume they were an option. They all say different things, like "HITS", "CLASSICS", "BLUES", "FAVORITES", "JAZZ", etc. Some are blue, and some are red-orange. > > My question though is that my classification headings have SQUARE PINS out the bottom for mounting, and the holes in the program holder are ROUND! I'm at odds as to how they were supposed to fit in there, because as everyone knows... YOU CAN'T FIT A SQUARE PEG... etc. :) If I force them in, I know I'll break them. They must have made some with round pins? Maybe mine are for a different model? The H or I perhaps? But then, I cant for the life of me figure out why AMI would have changed the pins from round to square. > > If anyone can shed a little light on this I'd love to hear it! > > John Rutoskey > Automatic Music Machines > Baltimore, Maryland > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 15 10:03:39 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Feb 15 10:04:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan burl pattern Message-ID: <663681.17307.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear List, This is a solicitation for help regarding the burl-wood pattern that appears at the bottom of the selection panel on 147 Trashcans. I need one or two really clear closeup shots of an unrestored, but in good shape, example of this pattern. My panel has been stripped and given an under-coat of brown paint. It is awaiting its water-transfer of grain. The only hang up is which pattern of grain to use. Pix will aid in making a decision. Any help is, of course, greatly appreciated. Bob - Chicago From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 15 10:19:27 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Feb 15 10:20:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Gathering Another Thought Message-ID: <302283.60742.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm planning on attending the spring show. Anyone else dropping by for hot dogs, pop and coin-op goodies? Bob - Chicago [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Gathering Another Thought Joey McDonald joe400f at shaw.ca Sun Feb 14 14:55:56 PST 2010 * Previous message: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Gathering Another Thought * Next message: [Jukebox-list] Re: Reply message1 * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ________________________________ The Chicagoland Coin op show is coming up in April. This would be a great place to meet. I have met some members and many dealers. Great show and great people. Joey McDonald From cowbytes at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 10:57:13 2010 From: cowbytes at yahoo.com (Bytes) Date: Mon Feb 15 11:04:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems Message-ID: <662333.76213.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey all..... I finally recieved my manual for my juke from VG and from a novice view point.... definitely not much there.....now....heres my problem....?? purchased my juke with the tone arm and gripper arm down in the play mode......? I got brave after checking everything over first? ( good thing was no sparks, smoke or fire!) and plugged it in.?? The lights lit up for the dome, and the selector arrow was lit up.?? Went and pressed the oper switch and the tt motor engaged, finished tracking across the record and that was it....nothing more..... tone arm stayed at the end of the record, gripper arm stayed down, and tt motor kept turning.....? I then went and unplugged the juke and manually reversed the gripper motor and cycled the whole process backwards.....it seemed to work fine....gripper arm went smoothly back to select a record from the magazine rack, tone arm went back to its resting place.......so, I then went back and turned the juke back on and hit scan switch to see if that would do anything,? it just turned on the the tt motor and the record playing process began again.....so I again turned it off and manually reversed everthing with the gripper motor back again to its?normal resting position.?? Then selected operation selection on the switch and watched the playing process take place once again to the end of the record.? The book said to make sure to have the tone arm go to the end of the record to engage the reversal of the process....unfortunately nothing happens after that..... any ideas of where to start with fixing this?? Would it have to do with the gripper reverse relay in the scan/oper switch box?? I cleaned the contact points on the tone arm switch which sends a signal down to the gripper reverse relay but still didnt help any.? Also, can anyone direct me or tell me where to lube this machine? (nothing at all in my "great" manual about that!).??? If this is too long to post here, please feel free to tell me or reply offline to cowbytes@yahoo.com, thanks ya all for all your help.??James!? (Ps.?record ?magazine did not turn at all at any point during the scan or operate process.....). From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Feb 15 12:18:05 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Feb 15 12:20:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems Message-ID: <20100215.151805.11413.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Look for a blown 2 amp fuse located on the power supply chassis (the one with the power cord on it). The mech will search and stop for records to play as long as there are tripped pins on the round pinbank mechanism directl underneath the turntable. Reset them to normal using your finger. If the mech gets stopped or jammed during it's cycle it will blow the fuse. There should be a page in the manual near the front with an exploded view of the mech. This should give you all the lubrication requirement notes. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=BLwyJ2P8MxbtxWhx_bWSpQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 15 12:40:20 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Mon Feb 15 12:41:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 Message-ID: I'm getting an occasional random "pop" from the right hand speakers. This machine is in my unheated summerhouse, although I don't use it in temperatures below freezing or if it's really cold. Could this be just damp? Otherwise it's working normally. Bob From chisler at jps.net Mon Feb 15 12:51:44 2010 From: chisler at jps.net (Daniel Chisler) Date: Mon Feb 15 12:49:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1436 Message-ID: <4B79B3E0.3040606@jps.net> Subject Rockola 1436 Hey does any one out there either have or know anyone that has a rockola 1436 ? in the serial number list there is like 4 registered. I am trying to help gather up need so Fred Michaels will continue his plan to make the domes he /was planning to repoduce .Just about every one i have seen seems to be foggy whate and cracked . If any one can help pass the word or email me any ones email who has one that would be great . My 1436 just looks awful with the crappy dome . It looks like a rocket hit it .Other wise it would look great and be great ... sincerely Dan Chisler... From steve.lane at dishmail.net Mon Feb 15 13:31:31 2010 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Mon Feb 15 13:32:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <20100215.013536.18295.1@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100215.013536.18295.1@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <61088cf91002151331m353a2134q3220cb819357004c@mail.gmail.com> Jim, Thanks I will check them out. Steve On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:35 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Steve: > > > Here are some choices pulled from the Parts Express website. If you're > buying outside the US, maybe you can find these speakers in your country. > > Best performing sealed-back 8 ohm mid range choice is the Pioneer > FB11EC14-S/P. Parts Express SKU # is 280-045. Overall spkr diameter is > 5.25" This may require you to build plywood adapter rings to mount these > speakers in the holes intended for a 6"dia. speaker. measure before you > buy. > > A slightly larger dia spkr with good electrical specs is the Dayton > PK-165-8 . Sku # is 295-020 This is called a 6.5" dia speaker. Too big > to fit? > > A 6" full range spkr with good specs for this job is (back of frame not > sealed) is Dayton PA165-8. SKU is 295-015. > > Hope this gives you some ideas. > > Jim Alexander > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! > http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From joe400f at shaw.ca Mon Feb 15 13:54:43 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Mon Feb 15 13:55:56 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1436 References: <4B79B3E0.3040606@jps.net> Message-ID: <002b01caae89$7bbc21c0$48944e18@compaq> I would contact Rick Botts ( Jukebox collector magazine ) and Richard Leatham (Always Jukin') and run an ad in the magazine. Classified ads are cheap and I am sure they would be accomodating. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Chisler" To: Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:51 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1436 > Subject Rockola 1436 > Hey does any one out there either have or know anyone that has a rockola > 1436 ? in the serial number list there is like 4 registered. I am trying > to help gather up need so Fred Michaels will continue his plan to make the > domes he /was planning to repoduce .Just about every one i have seen seems > to be foggy whate and cracked . If any one can help pass the word or > email me any ones email who has one that would be great . My 1436 just > looks awful with the crappy dome . It looks like a rocket hit it .Other > wise it would look great and be great ... sincerely Dan Chisler... > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Mon Feb 15 14:06:47 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Mon Feb 15 14:07:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox Message-ID: <000801caae8b$2afaff20$48944e18@compaq> I am trying to diagnose an electrical short in a Seeburg 3W1 wallbox. It was working fine and then I went to use it and the select light would not light. The coin droped fine and all the lights flickered as the coin switch was triggered. Then, the wallbox transformer smoked and the fuse opened on the selection receiver. The fuse should have opened before smoking the transformer. It is the correct fuse, I checked the rating. I wonder if because it is a slo-blo type that the transformer heated enough to smoke before the fuse opened? At this point, I cannot read the schematics in my manual clearly to diagnose this problem. Does someone have pages 12049 12050 of an original manual that they could scan and email to me? Joey McDonald From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 15 14:28:18 2010 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Mon Feb 15 14:29:17 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings References: <728168.81826.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My I200 has square posts. I'm not so sure about most machines never having them installed - I see them as being easily broken and thrown away (at least on the H and I models). A square peg will fit a round hole if they are sized right. Either file down the posts or drill out the holes. I work for a plastic injection molding company, and I can tell you why the posts are square - it's easier to build the mold that way. You can cut the full depth of lettering and posts in one half of the mold using a standard end mill cutter and the other half of the mold would be a flat shut off. If you wanted round posts, you would have to use a ball nose end mill and cut half of the lettering and posts in each half of the mold. Twice the work. Someone called us all nerds the other day - I can assure you I'm not even though that explanation may sound like I am. :) Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Automatic Music" To: Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 12:10 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings >I have an AMI G-200, and I recently found a bunch of the 3-D classification >headings that are quite unique looking. If you've never seen them, they >consist of little letters about 1/2" high molded out of colorful plastic, >each sitting on a plastic base that has two little pins protruding from the >bottom. These two pins were supposed to be inserted into the two little >holes that you find behind the glass in the bottom of each title strip >area. Most machines never had them installed, I assume they were an option. >They all say different things, like "HITS", "CLASSICS", "BLUES", >"FAVORITES", "JAZZ", etc. Some are blue, and some are red-orange. > > My question though is that my classification headings have SQUARE PINS out > the bottom for mounting, and the holes in the program holder are ROUND! > I'm at odds as to how they were supposed to fit in there, because as > everyone knows... YOU CAN'T FIT A SQUARE PEG... etc. :) If I force them > in, I know I'll break them. They must have made some with round pins? > Maybe mine are for a different model? The H or I perhaps? But then, I cant > for the life of me figure out why AMI would have changed the pins from > round to square. > > If anyone can shed a little light on this I'd love to hear it! > > John Rutoskey > Automatic Music Machines > Baltimore, Maryland > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2688 - Release Date: 02/14/10 14:35:00 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Feb 15 14:35:04 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Feb 15 14:38:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1436 Message-ID: <20100215.173504.15844.2@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Have you emailed or contacted Tom DeCellis, the felow who has done all the serial number research on jukeboxes, number manufactured etc. Isn't his website called Tom's Zone? This might help you to determine whether you should take the gamble to a replacement RO 1436 dome made for resale. It's a great idea, though... Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ICTdi3rHwdmKBm8dJev1XwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Feb 15 14:42:57 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Feb 15 14:47:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 Message-ID: <20100215.174257.15844.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Bob: Does the "pop" happen at a certain place in the mechanism change cycle or does it happen during record play? Chances are there's a either a capacitor or a transistor failing. Cold weather normally doesn't affect electronics too much if the humidity is low. It will affect the operation of your RO 443 mech. High humidity (in either cold or warm weather) will accelerate the deterioration of capacitors, insulators, etc. Caps that are off-value in circuits will then "blow" transistors. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Small Business Tools Learn how to save time and money. Click to find what tools your business needs now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=V7-f1bgoqUTBp4zmyiT37AAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARMQAAAAA= From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 15 14:50:13 2010 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Mon Feb 15 14:51:12 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems References: <662333.76213.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4845323781A5427F9DC0F1CB9A5A2D3E@dirksen> James - your comment about the service manual reminds me of the Office Depot commercials with the big red "easy" button. Most newcomers buy a manual and skip most of it expecting to find a magical troubleshooting section that lists every possible thing that can go wrong with a jukebox 50 years after it was built. IMHO, Rockola manuals have great sequence diagrams that show you in simplified schematics exactly what is going on at each point in the cycle of operation. The catch is that you have to read it, several times if you are a beginner. You are on the right track - it does have to do with the reversing relay. Is it pulling in? If you look at the "music cycle ends" sequence, you must follow the highlighted path and check everything in is path. Starting at the top at the +28 VDC (which we know is OK), follow the path through the interlock release relay contacts, through the gripper motor, through a set of contacts on the reversing relay, and then to ground. But you also have to follow the other path through microswitch #1, the reversing relay coil, and the tonearm switch (or the cancel button on the back of the machine). This second circuit will pull in the reversing relay. Based on my experience, I would first check the all relay contacts, microswitches, plug/socket connections and then lastly trace for a broken wire. You must check switches with an ohmmeter - don't rely on your vision or the fact that you cleaned them. Microswitch #1 will also prevent the basket from turning if the gripper is not all the way home. Good luck, and let us know what you find. Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bytes" To: Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems Hey all..... I finally recieved my manual for my juke from VG and from a novice view point.... definitely not much there.....now....heres my problem.... purchased my juke with the tone arm and gripper arm down in the play mode...... I got brave after checking everything over first ( good thing was no sparks, smoke or fire!) and plugged it in. The lights lit up for the dome, and the selector arrow was lit up. Went and pressed the oper switch and the tt motor engaged, finished tracking across the record and that was it....nothing more..... tone arm stayed at the end of the record, gripper arm stayed down, and tt motor kept turning..... I then went and unplugged the juke and manually reversed the gripper motor and cycled the whole process backwards.....it seemed to work fine....gripper arm went smoothly back to select a record from the magazine rack, tone arm went back to its resting place.......so, I then went back and turned the juke back on and hit scan switch to see if that would do anything, it just turned on the the tt motor and the record playing process began again.....so I again turned it off and manually reversed everthing with the gripper motor back again to its normal resting position. Then selected operation selection on the switch and watched the playing process take place once again to the end of the record. The book said to make sure to have the tone arm go to the end of the record to engage the reversal of the process....unfortunately nothing happens after that..... any ideas of where to start with fixing this? Would it have to do with the gripper reverse relay in the scan/oper switch box? I cleaned the contact points on the tone arm switch which sends a signal down to the gripper reverse relay but still didnt help any. Also, can anyone direct me or tell me where to lube this machine (nothing at all in my "great" manual about that!). If this is too long to post here, please feel free to tell me or reply offline to cowbytes@yahoo.com, thanks ya all for all your help. James! (Ps. record magazine did not turn at all at any point during the scan or operate process.....). _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2689 - Release Date: 02/15/10 02:35:00 From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 15 15:09:26 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Mon Feb 15 15:10:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 References: <20100215.174257.15844.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Thanks for responding Jim. It can happen at any time, quite often when the machine is just on and no record is playing. If it happens when a record is playing it doesn't affect the sound. Bob. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 443 Bob: Does the "pop" happen at a certain place in the mechanism change cycle or does it happen during record play? Chances are there's a either a capacitor or a transistor failing. Cold weather normally doesn't affect electronics too much if the humidity is low. It will affect the operation of your RO 443 mech. High humidity (in either cold or warm weather) will accelerate the deterioration of capacitors, insulators, etc. Caps that are off-value in circuits will then "blow" transistors. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Small Business Tools Learn how to save time and money. Click to find what tools your business needs now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=V7-f1bgoqUTBp4zmyiT37AAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARMQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From steve.lane at dishmail.net Mon Feb 15 15:37:02 2010 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Mon Feb 15 15:38:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <61088cf91002151331m353a2134q3220cb819357004c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100215.013536.18295.1@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> <61088cf91002151331m353a2134q3220cb819357004c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <61088cf91002151537r22747e05ua09dc54db19e0606@mail.gmail.com> OK, So I had some time today and I opened up the jukebox and placed a temporary jumper across the capacitors that are on the 6" speakers. Both speakers immediately increased in volume and they are sounding great. Do the caps provide input cutoff for certain frequencies? Is it ok to leave the jumpers in? Thanks On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:31 PM, STEVE LANE wrote: > Jim, Thanks I will check them out. > > Steve > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:35 PM, James Alexander < > jalexandercc@netzero.net> wrote: > >> >> >> Steve: >> >> >> Here are some choices pulled from the Parts Express website. If you're >> buying outside the US, maybe you can find these speakers in your country. >> >> Best performing sealed-back 8 ohm mid range choice is the Pioneer >> FB11EC14-S/P. Parts Express SKU # is 280-045. Overall spkr diameter is >> 5.25" This may require you to build plywood adapter rings to mount these >> speakers in the holes intended for a 6"dia. speaker. measure before you >> buy. >> >> A slightly larger dia spkr with good electrical specs is the Dayton >> PK-165-8 . Sku # is 295-020 This is called a 6.5" dia speaker. Too big >> to fit? >> >> A 6" full range spkr with good specs for this job is (back of frame not >> sealed) is Dayton PA165-8. SKU is 295-015. >> >> Hope this gives you some ideas. >> >> Jim Alexander >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! >> http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > From blair_jm at blairhotels.com Mon Feb 15 16:01:42 2010 From: blair_jm at blairhotels.com (James Blair) Date: Mon Feb 15 16:36:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <61088cf91002151537r22747e05ua09dc54db19e0606@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100215.013536.18295.1@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> <61088cf91002151331m353a2134q3220cb819357004c@mail.gmail.com>, <61088cf91002151537r22747e05ua09dc54db19e0606@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15FA42DD6FFB174FBA562C35846D9D8D01B243A5C254@matty.BlairHotels.local> Searching for an odd item! Rock-ola 1428 Magic-glo. I need the little triple Diamond (disco mirror thing) decoration that hangs on the back wall of the sound stage. Willing to pay top dollar, I'd even do a finders fee if someone could just find it for me. $25 finders fee! Please reply with any leads. James B. 307-272-9015 ________________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of STEVE LANE [steve.lane@dishmail.net] Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:37 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement OK, So I had some time today and I opened up the jukebox and placed a temporary jumper across the capacitors that are on the 6" speakers. Both speakers immediately increased in volume and they are sounding great. Do the caps provide input cutoff for certain frequencies? Is it ok to leave the jumpers in? Thanks On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:31 PM, STEVE LANE wrote: > Jim, Thanks I will check them out. > > Steve > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:35 PM, James Alexander < > jalexandercc@netzero.net> wrote: > >> >> >> Steve: >> >> >> Here are some choices pulled from the Parts Express website. If you're >> buying outside the US, maybe you can find these speakers in your country. >> >> Best performing sealed-back 8 ohm mid range choice is the Pioneer >> FB11EC14-S/P. Parts Express SKU # is 280-045. Overall spkr diameter is >> 5.25" This may require you to build plywood adapter rings to mount these >> speakers in the holes intended for a 6"dia. speaker. measure before you >> buy. >> >> A slightly larger dia spkr with good electrical specs is the Dayton >> PK-165-8 . Sku # is 295-020 This is called a 6.5" dia speaker. Too big >> to fit? >> >> A 6" full range spkr with good specs for this job is (back of frame not >> sealed) is Dayton PA165-8. SKU is 295-015. >> >> Hope this gives you some ideas. >> >> Jim Alexander >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! >> http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 16:44:56 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 15 16:45:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox In-Reply-To: <000801caae8b$2afaff20$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: <679897.14060.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Joey, Did the transformer in the WSR burn up, or the autoformer in the 3W-1? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 2:06 PM I am trying to diagnose an electrical short in a Seeburg 3W1 wallbox.? It was working fine and then I went to use it and the select light would not light.? The coin droped fine and all the lights flickered as the coin switch was triggered.? Then, the wallbox transformer smoked and the fuse opened on the selection receiver.? The fuse should have opened before smoking the transformer. It is the correct fuse, I checked the rating.? I wonder if because it is a slo-blo type that the transformer heated enough to smoke before the fuse opened?? At this point, I cannot read the schematics in my manual clearly to diagnose this problem. Does someone have pages 12049 12050 of an original manual that they could scan and email to me? Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 16:54:39 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 15 16:55:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <61088cf91002151537r22747e05ua09dc54db19e0606@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <751526.48973.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Steve, That's a great way to "blow" your speakers--yes, that cap is there to make sure only frequencys that the speaker was designed to reproduce will reach the speaker--I would check the cap itself--which model phono do you have ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/15/10, STEVE LANE wrote: From: STEVE LANE Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 3:37 PM OK, So I had some time today and I opened up the jukebox and placed a temporary jumper across the capacitors that are on the 6" speakers. Both speakers immediately increased in volume and they are sounding great. Do the caps provide input cutoff for certain frequencies? Is it ok to leave the jumpers in? Thanks On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:31 PM, STEVE LANE wrote: > Jim, Thanks I will check them out. > > Steve > >???On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:35 PM, James Alexander < > jalexandercc@netzero.net> wrote: > >> >> >> Steve: >> >> >> Here are some choices pulled from the Parts Express website.? If you're >> buying outside the US, maybe you can find these speakers in your country. >> >> Best performing sealed-back 8 ohm mid range choice is the Pioneer >> FB11EC14-S/P.? Parts Express SKU # is 280-045.? Overall spkr diameter is >> 5.25"???This may require you to build plywood adapter rings to mount these >> speakers in the holes intended for a 6"dia.? speaker.? measure before you >> buy. >> >> A slightly larger? dia spkr with good electrical specs is the Dayton >> PK-165-8 .? Sku # is 295-020???This is called a 6.5" dia speaker.? Too big >> to fit? >> >> A 6" full range spkr with good specs for this job is (back of frame not >> sealed) is Dayton PA165-8.???SKU is 295-015. >> >> Hope this gives you some ideas. >> >> Jim Alexander >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! >> http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 >>? _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Mon Feb 15 17:03:27 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Mon Feb 15 17:04:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox References: <679897.14060.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801caaea3$d957c270$48944e18@compaq> Not sure about the reciever yet. I didn't bring home my multimeter from work. The transformer in the wallbox decided to let out all its smoke. I think it was mad a me and let out all the smoke and then some. The manual pages I need are not very legible in my manual. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox Joey, Did the transformer in the WSR burn up, or the autoformer in the 3W-1? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 2:06 PM I am trying to diagnose an electrical short in a Seeburg 3W1 wallbox. It was working fine and then I went to use it and the select light would not light. The coin droped fine and all the lights flickered as the coin switch was triggered. Then, the wallbox transformer smoked and the fuse opened on the selection receiver. The fuse should have opened before smoking the transformer. It is the correct fuse, I checked the rating. I wonder if because it is a slo-blo type that the transformer heated enough to smoke before the fuse opened? At this point, I cannot read the schematics in my manual clearly to diagnose this problem. Does someone have pages 12049 12050 of an original manual that they could scan and email to me? Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Feb 15 17:17:39 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Feb 15 17:19:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement Message-ID: <20100215.201739.14653.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Steve: This indicates that you need to replace the capacitors. You're right, the caps block low frequencies from entering the mid range tweeter speakers. If the speakers sounded OK you may not need to buy replacements. Do not leave the caps bypassed for any major length of time. Bass notes will damage the closed back tweeters for your W3500. They generally cross in at about 2000 Hz. You'll probably notice that the caps are not polarized (no plus-minus) and the voltage rating probably says something like "50 volts VNP" meaning non polarized. You should replace the caps with a similar non polarized cap. You can find these at Parts Express and other supply houses. These will be listed with "audio grade" capacitors in the section of the catalog for building crossover networks. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Tzy4l4Jm9idg5EPNywAvhwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From pat2355 at aol.com Mon Feb 15 19:27:25 2010 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 15 19:34:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1436 In-Reply-To: <4B79B3E0.3040606@jps.net> References: <4B79B3E0.3040606@jps.net> Message-ID: <8CC7CCF17EC35E1-980C-73C3@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> Dan, Another possibly unpopular solution, is for you to commit to buy/resell several of the repo domes. Benefits are you get to keep the best and mark-up the rest. Ebay has made selling pretty easy...Minus is obviously space/$$$ tied up for an undetermined time. Also you might offer to underwrite an add offering them for sale for a discount on yours. Being a confirmed bachelor you'd be able to decide , without help, how long you want to look at them. Still not any closer to the 1446 pilasters. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Chisler To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2010 12:51 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1436 Subject Rockola 1436 Hey does any one out there either have or know anyone that has a rockola 1436 ? in the serial number list there is like 4 registered. I am trying to help gather up need so Fred Michaels will continue his plan to make the domes he /was planning to repoduce .Just about every one i have seen seems to be foggy whate and cracked . If any one can help pass the word or email me any ones email who has one that would be great . My 1436 just looks awful with the crappy dome . It looks like a rocket hit it .Other wise it would look great and be great ... sincerely Dan Chisler... _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From steve.lane at dishmail.net Mon Feb 15 19:52:32 2010 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Mon Feb 15 19:53:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <20100215.201739.14653.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100215.201739.14653.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <61088cf91002151952g786391c6ga2a9303423e5b3bb@mail.gmail.com> Looks like there are several different grades of caps on this website. My caps are 8MF at 50 VNP (just like you said). The caps I found range in price from about 50 cents to 44 dollars each. Is there a particular one that you recommend? Steve On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:17 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Steve: > > > This indicates that you need to replace the capacitors. You're right, the > caps block low frequencies from entering the mid range tweeter speakers. If > the speakers sounded OK you may not need to buy replacements. Do not leave > the caps bypassed for any major length of time. Bass notes will damage the > closed back tweeters for your W3500. They generally cross in at about 2000 > Hz. > You'll probably notice that the caps are not polarized (no plus-minus) and > the voltage rating probably says something like "50 volts VNP" meaning non > polarized. > > You should replace the caps with a similar non polarized cap. You can > find these at Parts Express and other supply houses. These will be listed > with "audio grade" capacitors in the section of the catalog for building > crossover networks. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Love Spell > Click here to light up your life with a love spell! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Tzy4l4Jm9idg5EPNywAvhwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 19:54:10 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 15 19:55:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox In-Reply-To: <000801caaea3$d957c270$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: <405943.45051.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Joey, That is an autoformer--and they STINK when they let go--so I'm told. You have a short,or leak to ground, somewhere in the lamp circuit--not including the "select" lamp. Follow the yellow wires around the unit--you don't need the schemo--find the short on one of the 5 sockets, fix it, and install a new autoformer. ( I have some in stock--contact me off list if you wish).? BTW--the 3.2A? fuse in the WSR is a "fire protection" fuse for the wires in the wall, and the transformer on the WSR --does not protect the 3W-1. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 5:03 PM Not sure about the reciever yet.? I didn't bring home my multimeter from work. The transformer in the wallbox decided to let out all its smoke.? I think it was mad a me and let out all the smoke and then some. The manual pages I need are not very legible in my manual. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox Joey, Did the transformer in the WSR burn up, or the autoformer in the 3W-1? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 2:06 PM I am trying to diagnose an electrical short in a Seeburg 3W1 wallbox. It was working fine and then I went to use it and the select light would not light. The coin droped fine and all the lights flickered as the coin switch was triggered. Then, the wallbox transformer smoked and the fuse opened on the selection receiver. The fuse should have opened before smoking the transformer. It is the correct fuse, I checked the rating. I wonder if because it is a slo-blo type that the transformer heated enough to smoke before the fuse opened? At this point, I cannot read the schematics in my manual clearly to diagnose this problem. Does someone have pages 12049 12050 of an original manual that they could scan and email to me? Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From organlists at pacbell.net Mon Feb 15 20:37:32 2010 From: organlists at pacbell.net (D R) Date: Mon Feb 15 20:45:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <61088cf91002151952g786391c6ga2a9303423e5b3bb@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20100215.201739.14653.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> <61088cf91002151952g786391c6ga2a9303423e5b3bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <618742.30733.qm@smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> For this purpose the 8uf 100v non polarized electrolytic should be fine. While your at it, both of them. http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=027-338 At 07:52 PM 2/15/2010, you wrote: >Looks like there are several different grades of caps on this website. My >caps are 8MF at 50 VNP (just like you said). The caps I found range in price >from about 50 cents to 44 dollars each. Is there a particular one that you >recommend? > >Steve Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. Svc. Co. http://www.hammondorganservice.com Carillon Web Ring http://g.webring.com/hub?ring=thecarillonwebri Organ Builders and Dealers Web Ring http://u.webring.com/hub?ring=organbuildersand From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Feb 15 20:42:28 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Feb 15 20:45:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement Message-ID: <20100215.234228.4161.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Steve: As the prices up you are getting into military-grade spec. components. This caliber of equipment not needed for your simple high pass filter audio application. For a "crossover-quality" grade cap I'd plan to spend about $5 ea. for top quality caps for your application. If they have an 8 mfd value at 50V non-polarized, that's what I'd buy. If they don't have an 8 mfd, buy the next downward value at the same voltage rating. Jim A. ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ELAW0EcqMPe8bujnjsdwNwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 22:22:51 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Feb 15 22:23:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <20100215.234228.4161.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <536205.1795.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, How does the voltage rating affect the cap--is it different in this application ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/15/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 8:42 PM Steve: As the prices? up you are getting into military-grade spec. components.???This caliber of equipment not needed for your simple high pass filter audio application.? For a "crossover-quality" grade cap I'd plan to spend about $5 ea. for top quality caps for your application.? If they have an 8 mfd value at 50V non-polarized, that's what I'd buy.? If they don't have an 8 mfd, buy the next downward value at the same voltage rating. Jim A. ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ELAW0EcqMPe8bujnjsdwNwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Feb 15 23:02:46 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Feb 15 23:04:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement Message-ID: <20100216.020246.28596.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Ron: I'm not quite sure of your question----I'm going to try a few answers. The voltage rating of the cap doesn't need to be any different. A 50V rated cap was supplied initially. Another writer on the list recomended a 100V rated cap--no problem using that. Non-polarized capacitors are normally used when building passive crossover network circuits as the audio transfer is more linear/better quality than when an electrolytic (polarized) type cap is used. In the old days, I'm aware that most of the juke builders used electrolytic caps in their speaker-filter circuits and as output couplers in solid state amp designs. The non-polarized caps (at a small increase in price) sound better in these applications. In some audiophile applications, there's a demand to supply mil-spec non polarized caps (the caps that cost $45 ea.) for home-built crossover networks. In my opinion, this is overdoing it. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=FE8O1wuvm0YzKaClhgLoRwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= From juker17 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 00:27:35 2010 From: juker17 at yahoo.com (Jim Mcclave) Date: Tue Feb 16 00:28:48 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1436 In-Reply-To: <8CC7CCF17EC35E1-980C-73C3@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B79B3E0.3040606@jps.net> <8CC7CCF17EC35E1-980C-73C3@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <234544.94043.qm@web45709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Isnt there some clear plastic that is very flexible that can be used for the center piece of the dome? I forget what its called though. jim ________________________________ From: "pat2355@aol.com" To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 10:27:25 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1436 Dan, Another possibly unpopular solution, is for you to commit to buy/resell several of the repo domes. Benefits are you get to keep the best and mark-up the rest. Ebay has made selling pretty easy...Minus is obviously space/$$$ tied up for an undetermined time. Also you might offer to underwrite an add offering them for sale for a discount on yours. Being a confirmed bachelor you'd be able to decide , without help, how long you want to look at them. Still not any closer to the 1446 pilasters. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Chisler To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2010 12:51 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1436 Subject Rockola 1436 Hey does any one out there either have or know anyone that has a rockola 1436 ? in the serial number list there is like 4 registered. I am trying to help gather up need so Fred Michaels will continue his plan to make the domes he /was planning to repoduce .Just about every one i have seen seems to be foggy whate and cracked . If any one can help pass the word? or email me any ones email? who has one that would be great . My 1436 just looks awful? with the crappy dome . It looks like a rocket hit it .Other wise it would look great and be great ... sincerely Dan Chisler... _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Feb 16 04:17:28 2010 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Tue Feb 16 04:18:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1436 References: <4B79B3E0.3040606@jps.net><8CC7CCF17EC35E1-980C-73C3@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> <234544.94043.qm@web45709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <709B64FF808A40D2B6218A93D847DB2A@dirksen> Someone just advertised the complete reproduction dome in this month's AJ, but be prepared to mortgage your house - the three piece set is $875. Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Mcclave" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1436 Isnt there some clear plastic that is very flexible that can be used for the center piece of the dome? I forget what its called though. jim ________________________________ From: "pat2355@aol.com" To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 10:27:25 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1436 Dan, Another possibly unpopular solution, is for you to commit to buy/resell several of the repo domes. Benefits are you get to keep the best and mark-up the rest. Ebay has made selling pretty easy...Minus is obviously space/$$$ tied up for an undetermined time. Also you might offer to underwrite an add offering them for sale for a discount on yours. Being a confirmed bachelor you'd be able to decide , without help, how long you want to look at them. Still not any closer to the 1446 pilasters. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Chisler To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2010 12:51 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1436 Subject Rockola 1436 Hey does any one out there either have or know anyone that has a rockola 1436 ? in the serial number list there is like 4 registered. I am trying to help gather up need so Fred Michaels will continue his plan to make the domes he /was planning to repoduce .Just about every one i have seen seems to be foggy whate and cracked . If any one can help pass the word or email me any ones email who has one that would be great . My 1436 just looks awful with the crappy dome . It looks like a rocket hit it .Other wise it would look great and be great ... sincerely Dan Chisler... _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2690 - Release Date: 02/15/10 14:35:00 From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 05:47:15 2010 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Tue Feb 16 05:48:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Auxiliary Speaker Adapter No. 28947 Schematic Message-ID: <352855.21339.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I need to redo my old Wurlitzer Auxiliary Speaker Control. I've had it for years and the wiring looks like a total rats nest. I would like to find a schematic for it since several wires are also cut and the speaker plug is missing. I do not find it in my manuals etc. This would work for the old Wurlitzers such as 700, 800 etc. Thank You! David (Geritol Ghetto) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 07:23:31 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Feb 16 07:24:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings In-Reply-To: <4B575778000174AF@cpms01.int.iprimus.net.au> Message-ID: <440726.79070.qm@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a picture of these they can put up? I've never seen one. From bpgbpg at comcast.net Tue Feb 16 08:06:14 2010 From: bpgbpg at comcast.net (Brad Grant) Date: Tue Feb 16 08:05:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] re:Trashcan burl pattern Message-ID: I need to do the same resto on mine. Where do you get the "grains", are you using the rubber stamp method or what? Thanks for any help, Brad From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 08:23:15 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 16 08:24:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <20100216.020246.28596.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <315353.58236.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Thanks--I was confused by the fact that someone said a 100v cap would work, and I thought that you seemed to contradict that. I agree with you-- the mil spec. caps are "overdoing it" --can I interest someone in a 600 dollar toilet seat ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/15/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 11:02 PM Ron: I'm not quite sure of your question----I'm going to try a few answers.? ? The voltage rating of the cap doesn't need to be any different.? A 50V rated cap was supplied initially.? ???Another writer on the list recomended a 100V rated cap--no problem using that. Non-polarized capacitors are normally used when building passive crossover network circuits as the audio transfer is more linear/better quality than when an electrolytic (polarized) type cap is used.???In the old days, I'm aware that most of the juke builders used electrolytic caps in their speaker-filter circuits and as output couplers in solid state amp designs.? ? ? ? The non-polarized caps (at a small increase in price) sound? better in these applications. In some audiophile applications, there's a demand to supply mil-spec? non polarized caps? (the caps that cost $45 ea.)? for home-built crossover networks.? In my opinion, this is overdoing it. Jim Alexander? ? ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=FE8O1wuvm0YzKaClhgLoRwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 15 15:52:15 2010 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Tue Feb 16 08:33:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems In-Reply-To: <4845323781A5427F9DC0F1CB9A5A2D3E@dirksen> References: <662333.76213.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <4845323781A5427F9DC0F1CB9A5A2D3E@dirksen> Message-ID: hi all, where did you get the 1464 manual? I ordered mine fom always jukin, but it is only the set up and parts manual (the only one they carry), no actual service in it (except some schematics). I had to keep my 1458 manual as they both use the same mech. thanks, rick. > From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:50:13 -0500 > > James - your comment about the service manual reminds me of the Office Depot > commercials with the big red "easy" button. Most newcomers buy a manual and > skip most of it expecting to find a magical troubleshooting section that > lists every possible thing that can go wrong with a jukebox 50 years after > it was built. IMHO, Rockola manuals have great sequence diagrams that show > you in simplified schematics exactly what is going on at each point in the > cycle of operation. The catch is that you have to read it, several times if > you are a beginner. > > You are on the right track - it does have to do with the reversing relay. Is > it pulling in? If you look at the "music cycle ends" sequence, you must > follow the highlighted path and check everything in is path. Starting at the > top at the +28 VDC (which we know is OK), follow the path through the > interlock release relay contacts, through the gripper motor, through a set > of contacts on the reversing relay, and then to ground. But you also have to > follow the other path through microswitch #1, the reversing relay coil, and > the tonearm switch (or the cancel button on the back of the machine). This > second circuit will pull in the reversing relay. Based on my experience, I > would first check the all relay contacts, microswitches, plug/socket > connections and then lastly trace for a broken wire. You must check switches > with an ohmmeter - don't rely on your vision or the fact that you cleaned > them. Microswitch #1 will also prevent the basket from turning if the > gripper is not all the way home. Good luck, and let us know what you find. > > Jim Dirksen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bytes" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:57 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems > > > Hey all..... I finally recieved my manual for my juke from VG and from a > novice view point.... definitely not much there.....now....heres my > problem.... purchased my juke with the tone arm and gripper arm down in the > play mode...... I got brave after checking everything over first ( good > thing was no sparks, smoke or fire!) and plugged it in. The lights lit up > for the dome, and the selector arrow was lit up. Went and pressed the oper > switch and the tt motor engaged, finished tracking across the record and > that was it....nothing more..... tone arm stayed at the end of the record, > gripper arm stayed down, and tt motor kept turning..... I then went and > unplugged the juke and manually reversed the gripper motor and cycled the > whole process backwards.....it seemed to work fine....gripper arm went > smoothly back to select a record from the magazine rack, tone arm went back > to its resting place.......so, I then went back and turned the juke > back on and hit scan switch to see if that would do anything, it just > turned on the the tt motor and the record playing process began again.....so > I again turned it off and manually reversed everthing with the gripper motor > back again to its normal resting position. Then selected operation selection > on the switch and watched the playing process take place once again to the > end of the record. The book said to make sure to have the tone arm go to the > end of the record to engage the reversal of the process....unfortunately > nothing happens after that..... any ideas of where to start with fixing > this? Would it have to do with the gripper reverse relay in the scan/oper > switch box? I cleaned the contact points on the tone arm switch which sends > a signal down to the gripper reverse relay but still didnt help any. Also, > can anyone direct me or tell me where to lube this machine (nothing at all > in my "great" manual about that!). If this is > too long to post here, please feel free to tell me or reply offline to > cowbytes@yahoo.com, thanks ya all for all your help. James! (Ps. record > magazine did not turn at all at any point during the scan or operate > process.....). > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2689 - Release Date: 02/15/10 > 02:35:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Feb 15 11:54:25 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Feb 16 08:33:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems Message-ID: Bravo for giving it a shot. You're on your way to not being afraid to at least take a look. There is a switch on or near the rear of the tonearm that should have tripped the cycle. One of two things is wrong. 1) That switch is either broken/dirty/out of adjustment/disconnected OR 2) Whatever supplies power to that switch is dirty/broken/out of adjustment, etc. Did you try the reject button on the back of the machine while record was playing? Did you try picking up the tonearm and moving it a little closer to the center of the turntable? Nothing happens by magic on these. Each action is triggered or powered by a switch of some kind, so you have to start there. It's a logic sequence, and if you can identify what's supposed to be happening and what's supposed to trigger that action, then you can track it down. By jumping to the conclusion that the reversing relay is faulty, you've skipped the part where something has to trigger that relay and neglected to look for/at that. No big deal. This is how we learn. 98 of 100 people wouldn't attempt what you're doing, and you'll either learn or at least try and realize it's out of your league. Don't give up. I spent an hour yesterday tracking down a selector short that I'd been all but staring at the whole time. The advanced lesson on this problem is that the reject/reversing system is not powered when the machine is in the scan mode. Somewhere on a cam or something is a switch that enables both the end-of-record switch and the reject button on the back when the machine is in "play" mode. That's the next place to look, and your "not much there" manual should cover all this. Most manuals have a trouble shooting section. Are you sure you got the full service manual? If it's 10 pages + or -, it's not the service manual. Most manuals are 80-150 pages. I'm confused by "not much there." Not much there literally, or not much there that was helpful to you? Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From rblakeslee at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 15 17:10:04 2010 From: rblakeslee at sbcglobal.net (Rob Blakeslee) Date: Tue Feb 16 08:34:12 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Magazine Drive Motor nosie Message-ID: It seems like I have a clicking or ratcheting noise coming from my magazine drive motor on my Rockola 460. It only happens at two areas on the magazine and they seem like they are opposite or 180 degrees from each other. Any ideas? Is there any maintenance that should performed on the motor? Thanks, Rob From blair_jm at blairhotels.com Tue Feb 16 08:38:03 2010 From: blair_jm at blairhotels.com (James Blair) Date: Tue Feb 16 08:40:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1428 Magic-glo decoration needed Message-ID: <15FA42DD6FFB174FBA562C35846D9D8D01B2439D813A@matty.BlairHotels.local> Searching for an odd item! Rock-ola 1428 Magic-glo. I need the little triple Diamond (disco mirror thing) decoration that hangs on the back wall of the sound stage. Willing to pay top dollar, I'd even do a finders fee if someone could just find it for me. $25 finders fee! Please reply with any leads. James B. 307-272-9015 James M. Blair General Manager Holiday Inn of Cody, Wyoming W - (307) 5873654 x622 C - (307) 2729015 blair_jm@blairhotels.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 09:06:36 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 16 09:07:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1428 Magic-glo decoration needed In-Reply-To: <15FA42DD6FFB174FBA562C35846D9D8D01B2439D813A@matty.BlairHotels.local> Message-ID: <960829.94587.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Did you try the "usual suspects" ?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/16/10, James Blair wrote: From: James Blair Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1428 Magic-glo decoration needed To: "jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com" Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 8:38 AM Searching for an odd item!? Rock-ola 1428 Magic-glo.? I need the little triple Diamond (disco mirror thing) decoration that hangs on the back wall of the sound stage.? Willing to pay top dollar, I'd even do a finders fee if someone could just find it for me.? $25 finders fee!? Please reply with any leads. James B.? 307-272-9015 James M. Blair General Manager Holiday Inn of Cody, Wyoming W - (307) 5873654 x622 C - (307) 2729015 blair_jm@blairhotels.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From bmet09 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 09:17:00 2010 From: bmet09 at yahoo.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Tue Feb 16 09:18:08 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Reply message1 Message-ID: <49927.32837.qm@web112510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Your idea sounds good, until one actually tries it. I went to your Forum/List to subscribe and leave a message. Then, I hit a ROADBLOCK; the darn validation code for being a live person! This is becoming a thorn that needs to be killed with Blogs and Forums. Most of the time I cannot read the glyphs so I enter the wrong text. After several attempts, I finally get in. But why waste my time to satisfy another? Right now, I find the upgrade to Mozilla Thunderbird (3.0.1) is allowing my messages to get through. Let's see how long this lasts. And, I can post this message without deciphering coded text. (If this becomes a duplicate message, then my messages got through, otherwise, I am still having problems with Earthlink.) Oh boy, wasn't life simple without Internet and government spying? However, do you remember ZModem and telephone acoustic couplers (cups) at 200 baud? You could send and receive messages from boards, but it took forever! (Are we having fun, yet?) Dick Habegger Phelan, CA Kyle wrote: Yes, I know it's a 1954 and saw that I had mistyped that. > >If we were using a message board, I could have gone back and edited it. > > >If you'd like me to point out another flaw of this system, the >subject, which in this case should have been "AMI G80 coming along." >Your membership card to the "I Also Make Mistakes Club" is in the mail. >;-) > >I set a up an incredibly easy to use message board and offered to >hand the keys over to the administrator, but most of the fuddy-duddies >didn't want to have something new to log into (which you do ONCE with >your email address). Cookies logs you in automatically after that. >Nobody could take 2 minutes out of their day to go take a look at >something which over the course of a year, would have saved them many, >many hours. > > >A message board allows editing of posts, posting of always usable >and shortened links, photographs, a profile for each member where >expertise and locations, etc. can be put... Much faster and easier to >use than this archaic system. > > >http://excoboard.com/The_New_Jukebox_List > >Kyle ~ > >Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > > Dick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) fails to forward some messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] From cowbytes at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 09:28:23 2010 From: cowbytes at yahoo.com (Bytes) Date: Tue Feb 16 09:29:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems In-Reply-To: <20100215.151805.11413.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <272926.66774.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thank you very much James!? The manual for this juke is VERY brief and does not mention any lube points, it does have exploded part views for most but for whatever reason does not mention any lube points......unless the page was left out when they put the manual together, I can sort of guess just by looking at what moves but would like to know before I start slapping on stuff which may cause more problems than it may help!? Would a manual from the same year of manufacture maybe be used as a guide for lube points from a different Rockola model??? Thanks all for being patient with this very green (but enthusiastic) jukebox newbie!?? James! --- On Mon, 2/15/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 12:18 PM Look for a blown 2 amp fuse located on the power supply chassis? (the one with the power cord on it).???The mech will search and stop for records to play as long as there are tripped pins on the round pinbank mechanism directl underneath the turntable. Reset them to normal using your finger.? If the mech gets stopped or jammed during it's cycle it will blow the fuse. There should be a page in the manual near the front with an exploded view of the mech.???This should give you all the lubrication requirement notes. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=BLwyJ2P8MxbtxWhx_bWSpQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 09:32:59 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Feb 16 09:34:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Reply message1 In-Reply-To: <49927.32837.qm@web112510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <567540.58590.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Dick Habegger wrote: > Oh boy, wasn't life simple without Internet and government > spying? > However, do you remember ZModem and telephone acoustic > couplers (cups) at 200 baud? I never used accoustic couplers, but I do still have a couple Teletype ASR-33s in my garage. The entire base is a 110-baud modem. You gotta love a computer terminal that requires, as regular maintenance, removing the mechanism and soaking it in oil. But keep the distributor clean! > You could send and receive messages from boards, but it > took forever! Never got into bulletin boards. Maybe that's one of the reasons I don't like them to this day. But Usenet, now *that* was useful (until AOL discovered it). From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 16 10:00:34 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Tue Feb 16 10:01:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] re:Trashcan burl pattern Message-ID: <114128.75622.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Brad, I'm using a water-transfer service, similar to the original method Seeburg used to get that fake grain pattern on the metal bits. Check out: http://www.mmcustomfinishing.com/Site/Finishes.html Here you can see the sample patterns they use. Snoop around the website for more information on the process. Pattern #19 seems the closest to the original burlwood. I took all of my Trashcan's metal parts to them. They stripped them down to bare metal, prepped the surface and painted them the original brown base color. Now they will be applying a very close grain over the brown paint using the water-transfer process. Bob >[Jukebox-list] re:Trashcan burl pattern Brad Grant bpgbpg at comcast.net >Tue Feb 16 08:06:14 PST 2010 > * Previous message: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Auxiliary Speaker Adapter No. 28947 Schematic > * Next message: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1428 Magic-glo decoration needed > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >________________________________ > >I need to do the same resto on mine. Where do you get the "grains", >are you using the rubber stamp method or what? >Thanks for any help, >Brad From lane17 at llnl.gov Tue Feb 16 10:07:25 2010 From: lane17 at llnl.gov (Lane, Steve) Date: Tue Feb 16 10:25:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Replacement Message-ID: I did some looking around and found a close match at the local Radio Shack. They have 10mF 50 V non polarized caps in stock. Since this is a departure from the 8mF caps that were in there, does the group have any problems with this substitution? These have tolerance of +- 20% so if they are off in the right direction I would have it made! I know I could order them from the website but this way I save shipping costs and can get them today. Does the higher capacitance lower or raise the cut off frequency? Thanks guys Steve From jay at west.net Tue Feb 16 10:32:54 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Feb 16 10:34:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7AE4D6.2020600@west.net> On 2/16/10 10:07 AM, Lane, Steve wrote: > I did some looking around and found a close match at the local Radio Shack. They have 10mF 50 V non polarized caps in stock. Since this is a departure from the 8mF caps that were in there, does the group have any problems with this substitution? These have tolerance of +- 20% so if they are off in the right direction I would have it made! I know I could order them from the website but this way I save shipping costs and can get them today. Does the higher capacitance lower or raise the cut off frequency? Thanks guys Should be close enough. higher capacitance lowers the cutoff frequency. Assuming an 8-ohm speaker, 3dB points: 8 microfarads ~ 2500 Hz. 10 microfarads ~ 2000 Hz. A workaround if you can't find non-polar capacitors is to connect two polarized electrolytics of twice the desired capacitance in series with each other, opposite polarity. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From organlists at pacbell.net Tue Feb 16 12:10:47 2010 From: organlists at pacbell.net (D R) Date: Tue Feb 16 12:19:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <315353.58236.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20100216.020246.28596.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> <315353.58236.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <215297.4581.qm@smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> When I did a quick search on Parts Express the 8uf 100v non-polarized was all I found. I didn't see a 8uf 50v non-polarized. Anything above 100 volts is a waste of money, and higher voltage electrolytics won't reform. Though reforming of the capacitor may not be an issue in a crossover as it is in a dc power supply. At 08:23 AM 2/16/2010, you wrote: >Jim, >Thanks--I was confused by the fact that someone said a 100v cap >would work, and I thought that you seemed to contradict that. >I agree with you-- the mil spec. caps are "overdoing it" --can I >interest someone in a 600 dollar toilet seat ? >Ron Rich > Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. Svc. Co. http://www.hammondorganservice.com Carillon Web Ring http://g.webring.com/hub?ring=thecarillonwebri Organ Builders and Dealers Web Ring http://u.webring.com/hub?ring=organbuildersand From stamann at jukebox-world.de Tue Feb 16 12:20:34 2010 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Tue Feb 16 12:23:49 2010 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings Message-ID: Hello David, we made repoductions of the classification headings for the AMI H and I models. They are very, very close to the originals. We made a translucent blue set which fits the AMI H: http://tinyurl.com/ykd3h3c The AMI I had red headings: http://tinyurl.com/ygexd4l We made a set with translucent red ones too (same colour as the red buttons) http://tinyurl.com/ycqfsro Although these were never made by AMI. Also we made a new heading with "Rock&Roll" - we think it suits these late 50's models very well, but AMI never made it: http://tinyurl.com/y8zy3dp You can see here how they mount on top of the titleholder plastics: http://tinyurl.com/y9tblp5 We found a picture in the G200 operators manual that those or similar headings had be offered for the G too. Although little stickers with "Waltzes", "Polka" etc. are more common I think. Best regards - Oliver Stamann -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von David Breneman Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Februar 2010 16:31 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings Does anyone have a picture of these they can put up? I've never seen one. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From organlists at pacbell.net Tue Feb 16 12:16:25 2010 From: organlists at pacbell.net (D R) Date: Tue Feb 16 12:24:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <673129.44918.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The bass cut off point will be a bit more. How much I don't know. Somewhere there is a chart of a capacitor value and what the approximate roll off frequency is. At 10:07 AM 2/16/2010, you wrote: >I did some looking around and found a close match at the local Radio >Shack. They have 10mF 50 V non polarized caps in stock. Since this >is a departure from the 8mF caps that were in there, does the group >have any problems with this substitution? These have tolerance of +- >20% so if they are off in the right direction I would have it made! >I know I could order them from the website but this way I save >shipping costs and can get them today. Does the higher capacitance >lower or raise the cut off frequency? Thanks guys > >Steve Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. Svc. Co. http://www.hammondorganservice.com Carillon Web Ring http://g.webring.com/hub?ring=thecarillonwebri Organ Builders and Dealers Web Ring http://u.webring.com/hub?ring=organbuildersand From ksherwin at execpc.com Tue Feb 16 12:42:01 2010 From: ksherwin at execpc.com (Karl Sherwin) Date: Tue Feb 16 12:43:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Replacement References: <673129.44918.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d401caaf48$7f132e30$6401a8c0@KARL> The cutoff shift is linear with the capacitance value shift, but in the opposite direction. If your original cutoff was, say 1kHz with the 8 uF cap, then going to a 10uF cap will lower the cutoff to 800 Hz. Probably not a detriment to the speaker, and most likely you will not hear the difference cutoff frequencies. Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "D R" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Replacement > The bass cut off point will be a bit more. How much I don't know. > Somewhere there is a chart of a capacitor value and what the approximate > roll off frequency is. > > At 10:07 AM 2/16/2010, you wrote: >>I did some looking around and found a close match at the local Radio >>Shack. They have 10mF 50 V non polarized caps in stock. Since this is a >>departure from the 8mF caps that were in there, does the group have any >>problems with this substitution? These have tolerance of +- 20% so if they >>are off in the right direction I would have it made! I know I could order >>them from the website but this way I save shipping costs and can get them >>today. Does the higher capacitance lower or raise the cut off frequency? >>Thanks guys >> >>Steve > > Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. Svc. Co. > http://www.hammondorganservice.com > Carillon Web Ring http://g.webring.com/hub?ring=thecarillonwebri > Organ Builders and Dealers Web Ring > http://u.webring.com/hub?ring=organbuildersand > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Feb 16 13:10:58 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Tue Feb 16 13:12:17 2010 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Oliver, would these work for the AMI G80? Jackie On Feb 16, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Stamann wrote: > Hello David, > we made repoductions of the classification headings for the AMI H and I models. > > They are very, very close to the originals. > > We made a translucent blue set which fits the AMI H: > http://tinyurl.com/ykd3h3c > > The AMI I had red headings: > http://tinyurl.com/ygexd4l > > We made a set with translucent red ones too (same colour as the red buttons) > http://tinyurl.com/ycqfsro > Although these were never made by AMI. > > Also we made a new heading with "Rock&Roll" - we think it suits these late 50's models very well, but AMI never made it: > http://tinyurl.com/y8zy3dp > > You can see here how they mount on top of the titleholder plastics: > http://tinyurl.com/y9tblp5 > > We found a picture in the G200 operators manual that those or similar headings had be offered for the G too. Although little stickers with "Waltzes", "Polka" etc. are more common I think. > > Best regards - Oliver Stamann > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von David Breneman > Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Februar 2010 16:31 > An: Jukebox mailing list > Betreff: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings > > > Does anyone have a picture of these they can put up? > I've never seen one. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From stamann at jukebox-world.de Tue Feb 16 13:33:32 2010 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Tue Feb 16 13:36:36 2010 Subject: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings Message-ID: Hello Jackie, the F and G 40 - 120 operator's guides show the little decals but the plastic headings are 2 - 2 1/2" wide and could be probably mounted in front of the V-shaped title holders - at the bottom of the title windows. Best regards - Oliver -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Jackie Elgie Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Februar 2010 22:16 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings Hi Oliver, would these work for the AMI G80? Jackie On Feb 16, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Stamann wrote: > Hello David, > we made repoductions of the classification headings for the AMI H and I models. > > They are very, very close to the originals. > > We made a translucent blue set which fits the AMI H: > http://tinyurl.com/ykd3h3c > > The AMI I had red headings: > http://tinyurl.com/ygexd4l > > We made a set with translucent red ones too (same colour as the red > buttons) http://tinyurl.com/ycqfsro Although these were never made by > AMI. > > Also we made a new heading with "Rock&Roll" - we think it suits these late 50's models very well, but AMI never made it: > http://tinyurl.com/y8zy3dp > > You can see here how they mount on top of the titleholder plastics: > http://tinyurl.com/y9tblp5 > > We found a picture in the G200 operators manual that those or similar headings had be offered for the G too. Although little stickers with "Waltzes", "Polka" etc. are more common I think. > > Best regards - Oliver Stamann > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von David > Breneman > Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Februar 2010 16:31 > An: Jukebox mailing list > Betreff: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification > Headings > > > Does anyone have a picture of these they can put up? > I've never seen one. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Feb 16 13:39:35 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Feb 16 13:42:13 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Replacement Message-ID: <20100216.163935.21160.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> DR: The bigger the capacitance value, the lower the hi pass frequency point becomes. A simple hi pass filter iusing 1 capacitor trails off low frequencies at 6 db per octave, a fairly getle rolloff. The 12" woofers are fed the full frequency spectrum--they naturally begin to fall off circa 4000 Hz The 6" closed back mid-hi speakers can be damaged by low frequency input, so these crossover caps typically are passing the full audio spectrum at about 1500 Hz up. Audio energy below 500 Hz needs to be avoided. If Steve, the writer asking this question, had a hard time finding non polarized cap values I suggested that he lower the capacitance value (raise the hi-pass freq to the spkrs) to err on the side of caution. Last but not least, I've run across some really poor quality raw electronic components being sold by the Shack. The complete merchandise they sell tends to be a lot better. Can't speak for these particular capacitors, but if it were me I'd look for your parts elsewhere. I definitely wouldn't buy any speaker drive units from them. IMHO, you're paying top dollar for junk quality parts. Jim A. ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=1viqwRC4fqbWAXXGPWLGKQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Feb 16 13:52:44 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Tue Feb 16 13:53:54 2010 Subject: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71F55B08-6D50-4674-AC50-283BC8EBB0C7@verizon.net> Thanks Oliver, that's what I was hoping. After looking at my pictures (the cabinet is still taken apart) I wondered if they could sit on the bottom piece of metal...don't know if they would completely cover up the titles on the bottom of each row. I love the Red ones and I love the Rock & Roll!! When I get it put together I will consider that, I think it will look fantastic. Thanks for your help, Jackie On Feb 16, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Stamann wrote: > Hello Jackie, > > the F and G 40 - 120 operator's guides show the little decals but the plastic headings are 2 - 2 1/2" wide and could be probably mounted in front of the V-shaped title holders - at the bottom of the title windows. > > Best regards - Oliver > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Jackie Elgie > Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Februar 2010 22:16 > An: Jukebox mailing list > Betreff: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings > > Hi Oliver, > would these work for the AMI G80? > Jackie > > > > On Feb 16, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Stamann wrote: > >> Hello David, >> we made repoductions of the classification headings for the AMI H and I models. >> >> They are very, very close to the originals. >> >> We made a translucent blue set which fits the AMI H: >> http://tinyurl.com/ykd3h3c >> >> The AMI I had red headings: >> http://tinyurl.com/ygexd4l >> >> We made a set with translucent red ones too (same colour as the red >> buttons) http://tinyurl.com/ycqfsro Although these were never made by >> AMI. >> >> Also we made a new heading with "Rock&Roll" - we think it suits these late 50's models very well, but AMI never made it: >> http://tinyurl.com/y8zy3dp >> >> You can see here how they mount on top of the titleholder plastics: >> http://tinyurl.com/y9tblp5 >> >> We found a picture in the G200 operators manual that those or similar headings had be offered for the G too. Although little stickers with "Waltzes", "Polka" etc. are more common I think. >> >> Best regards - Oliver Stamann >> >> >> >> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von David >> Breneman >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Februar 2010 16:31 >> An: Jukebox mailing list >> Betreff: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification >> Headings >> >> >> Does anyone have a picture of these they can put up? >> I've never seen one. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Feb 16 14:01:25 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Tue Feb 16 14:02:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Themed AMI G80 Message-ID: Hi all, I thought I would share my latest idea on the AMI G80...I am preparing a second backdrop that will be removable and just fit over the original one, as a Beatles Theme. Yes....I love the Beatles and have every record they ever put out on 45rpm. I am using a Beatles Poster and finishing off the sides with a small folded paper trim around the edges, much like the original backdrop is mounted. I won't have to staple but a few on the top and bottom, as it's much smoother and stronger than the original plastic back. What will finish this off is the reverse side of the Gold Platter will be done in a Beatles 45rpm jacket, glued to the platter and trimmed carefully. Lots of Reds and colors in the Poster so it should look fantastic! When I am ready for a change, flip the platter and remove the backdrop...back to the original, simple as that....I am excited! I am sure there will be lots of Pictures to come, LOL Jackie From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Feb 16 14:00:51 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Feb 16 14:03:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems Message-ID: <20100216.170051.21160.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Bytes: If you'll contact me off list, I can photo-copy and mail you the RockOla lube chart page from another manual of that era that I know has this diagram. If I do a scan of the page and transmit it electronically, it seems to muddy the details of the drawing. Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From stamann at jukebox-world.de Tue Feb 16 14:03:58 2010 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Tue Feb 16 14:07:02 2010 Subject: AW: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D ClassificationHeadings Message-ID: Sure Jackie - just let us know when you are ready for these little details and we will send some over as a late Christmas present or so :-) Best regards - Oliver -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Jackie Elgie Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Februar 2010 23:01 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D ClassificationHeadings Thanks Oliver, that's what I was hoping. After looking at my pictures (the cabinet is still taken apart) I wondered if they could sit on the bottom piece of metal...don't know if they would completely cover up the titles on the bottom of each row. I love the Red ones and I love the Rock & Roll!! When I get it put together I will consider that, I think it will look fantastic. Thanks for your help, Jackie On Feb 16, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Stamann wrote: > Hello Jackie, > > the F and G 40 - 120 operator's guides show the little decals but the plastic headings are 2 - 2 1/2" wide and could be probably mounted in front of the V-shaped title holders - at the bottom of the title windows. > > Best regards - Oliver > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Jackie > Elgie > Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Februar 2010 22:16 > An: Jukebox mailing list > Betreff: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification > Headings > > Hi Oliver, > would these work for the AMI G80? > Jackie > > > > On Feb 16, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Stamann wrote: > >> Hello David, >> we made repoductions of the classification headings for the AMI H and I models. >> >> They are very, very close to the originals. >> >> We made a translucent blue set which fits the AMI H: >> http://tinyurl.com/ykd3h3c >> >> The AMI I had red headings: >> http://tinyurl.com/ygexd4l >> >> We made a set with translucent red ones too (same colour as the red >> buttons) http://tinyurl.com/ycqfsro Although these were never made by >> AMI. >> >> Also we made a new heading with "Rock&Roll" - we think it suits these late 50's models very well, but AMI never made it: >> http://tinyurl.com/y8zy3dp >> >> You can see here how they mount on top of the titleholder plastics: >> http://tinyurl.com/y9tblp5 >> >> We found a picture in the G200 operators manual that those or similar headings had be offered for the G too. Although little stickers with "Waltzes", "Polka" etc. are more common I think. >> >> Best regards - Oliver Stamann >> >> >> >> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von David >> Breneman >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Februar 2010 16:31 >> An: Jukebox mailing list >> Betreff: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification >> Headings >> >> >> Does anyone have a picture of these they can put up? >> I've never seen one. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 14:10:05 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Feb 16 14:11:10 2010 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <283181.10131.qm@web112107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Stamann wrote: > Hello David, > we made repoductions of the classification headings for the > AMI H and I models. > We found a picture in the G200 operators manual that those > or similar headings had be offered for the G too. Although > little stickers with "Waltzes", "Polka" etc. are more common > I think. Hi, Oliver - So, I assume that on the G series machines, they would plug into these holes at the bottom of each title strip holder? http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/g200-category.jpg The holes are about 2-1/2" or 64cm apart. I've got to admit that the red ones would look pretty nice in this machine, and since you're looking down at the title strips, the signs wouldn't obscure the strips behind them. From maddleso at gmu.edu Tue Feb 16 14:13:52 2010 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Tue Feb 16 14:14:58 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Odd problems with selections - poltergeists? Message-ID: <766B08996E1C489DBE095DA4C7C7C848@Marksvaio> I'm still 'tuning' my Seeburg 'R', trying to get it to go through the complete cycle of selecting and playing all 100 selections flawlessly. Either I'm a slow learner and/or there are malign influences at work. Probably both. What I thought were pin bank problems (I did a thorough cleaning of contacts/strips when restoring it) probably has something to do with leaf switch settings (mech and/or credit unit) and at times I think I've got these right. Then things like the following happen. Select D5. It plays perfectly. At the end of this cycle, record is at rest, parked as it should be, waiting to be returned to its slot. Put in another coin and select D3. Record is returned to rack, mech scans, plays D3. Instead of 'parking', it returns D3 to rack and scans on to D5, plays this and comes to rest as it should at the end of the record. If there a logical explanation I may understand the intermittent 'flaws' in the cycle. Any advice would be appreciated including help with exorcism. Thanks Mark From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Feb 16 14:19:23 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Feb 16 14:21:15 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1428 Magic-glo decoration needed Message-ID: <20100216.171923.21160.2@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Hello James: In case you're a newcomer to this forum the usual suspects in the US that sell salvage original jukebox parts are: John Durfee, Durfee Coin Op, 57 S. Main St. Orange MA 01364-1227, PH 978 544 3800 web: www.jukeboxparts.com Bill Butterfield, 3220 ilverado Tr., Napa,CA 94558 PH 707 224 3435 web: www.jukebox-parts.com Victory Glass Inc. 3260 Ute Ave. Waukee IA 50263, PH 515 987 5765 web: www.victoryglass.com Victory Glass is a parts supply house that caters to the jukebox restoration hobby. They sell newly replicated parts along with original items. In The mid-90's VG bought all the remaining parts inventory from Rock Ola when the RockOla family sold the business. These are listed separately from the VG catalog of product, but there is about 15-screen listing of new original parts, some of which dates back to the early 50's. Since the 1428 is a 1948 model, you might be lucky enough to find what you need here. There are a number of jukebox parts sites in the UK, Germany and and the Netherlands that have replicated RockOla parts not available in the US. Overseas parts sites: www.thejukeboxman.com www.jukebox-world.de www.jukeboxrevival.nl Hope this helps you find the item you're looking for, JIm Alexander www.jukeboxpartsservice.eu ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From organlists at pacbell.net Tue Feb 16 14:22:36 2010 From: organlists at pacbell.net (D R) Date: Tue Feb 16 14:23:45 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <20100216.163935.21160.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100216.163935.21160.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <692993.23259.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have a chart, where it is I can't think of it at the moment, but I believe it is in one of my old University Loudspeaker "Technilog" I understand how it works, I may have worded it incorrectly. At 01:39 PM 2/16/2010, you wrote: >DR: > >The bigger the capacitance value, the lower the hi pass frequency >point becomes. A simple hi pass filter iusing 1 capacitor trails >off low frequencies at 6 db per octave, a fairly getle >rolloff. The 12" woofers are fed the full frequency >spectrum--they naturally begin to fall off circa 4000 Hz > >The 6" closed back mid-hi speakers can be damaged by low frequency >input, so these crossover caps >typically are passing the full audio spectrum at about 1500 Hz up. >Audio energy below 500 Hz needs to be avoided. I suggested the 8uf at 100v since that was all I could find in a quick search of Parts Express. >If Steve, the writer asking this question, had a hard time finding >non polarized cap values I suggested that he lower the capacitance >value (raise the hi-pass freq to the spkrs) to err on the side of caution. I agree with you about Radio Shack, I buy parts in quantity from Mouser since I do complete rebuilds, however if Radio Shack is the only place in town and I am in the field, working on a instrument, and it's an emergency, I'll bite. Luckily for me there is a local alternative a little place called Torrance Electronics in Torrance California. One of the last true electronic stores here. Fry's is also another "last emergency stop" alternative. ;) >Last but not least, I've run across some really poor quality raw >electronic components being sold by the Shack. The complete >merchandise they sell tends to be a lot better. Can't speak for >these particular capacitors, but if it were me I'd look for your >parts elsewhere. I definitely wouldn't buy any speaker drive units >from them. IMHO, you're paying top dollar for junk quality parts. > >Jim A. Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. Svc. Co. http://www.hammondorganservice.com Carillon Web Ring http://g.webring.com/hub?ring=thecarillonwebri Organ Builders and Dealers Web Ring http://u.webring.com/hub?ring=organbuildersand From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Feb 16 14:29:07 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Feb 16 14:30:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] re:Trashcan burl pattern Message-ID: <20100216.172907.21160.3@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Since this is a discussion thread covering Trashcan burled paint finishes, this is related but slightly off-topic---has anyone here purchased/used the wood burl kit sold by Victory Glass intended for use with a Wurlitzer 1100 juke? What does that kit consist of? is it a veneer kit? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=fmlcwJ3w1qL8nenfNGdR8wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From jay at west.net Tue Feb 16 14:33:57 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Feb 16 14:35:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Odd problems with selections - poltergeists? In-Reply-To: <766B08996E1C489DBE095DA4C7C7C848@Marksvaio> References: <766B08996E1C489DBE095DA4C7C7C848@Marksvaio> Message-ID: <4B7B1D55.3060405@west.net> On 2/16/10 2:13 PM, Mark Addleson wrote: > Select D5. It plays perfectly. At the end of this cycle, record is at > rest, parked as it should be, waiting to be returned to its slot. Put in > another coin and select D3. Record is returned to rack, mech scans, plays > D3. Instead of 'parking', it returns D3 to rack and scans on to D5, plays > this and comes to rest as it should at the end of the record. If there a > logical explanation I may understand the intermittent 'flaws' in the cycle. > Any advice would be appreciated including help with exorcism. Attached to the carriage is a contact block that rides in the track below the pinbank. This serves two functions. Contacts in the block sense selected pins, closing a connection to the trip solenoid to put the mechanism into transfer. This sounds like it is working fine in your case. The second function is canceling records as they are played. Just as the record is clamped, a voltage pulse is sent from the switch stack to one of two cancel coils on the contact block. These are visible, mounted on an angle adjacent to the inner and outer pins. The reversing switch determines whether the inner or outer coil fires. The problem you describe sounds like a problem with the cancel operation. There are several things to check: Power supply voltages need to be correct. The leaf switch on the stack must be clean. It's a make-before-break to provide a momentary pulse. Same for the reversing switch contacts. The cancel coil plunger must be free to move. It has a small spring-like end to tap the pin back into place. Make sure there isn't any oil or sticky gunk in there. The alignment of the contact block must be correct so that the cancel coil plunger hits the pin. The pin itself must move relatively freely. By the way, the popularity meter coil is operated by the same pulse (but before the reversing switch). If the popularity meter works solidly you can probably rule out voltage and the switch stack contact. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From stamann at jukebox-world.de Tue Feb 16 14:32:14 2010 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Tue Feb 16 14:35:16 2010 Subject: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings Message-ID: Hello David, thanks for sending the link with the picture! The holes must be meant for a kind of heading - like shown in the operator's guide. The pins on the headings for the H and I models are only 1 1/2" apart though! Maybe AMI made a slightly larger version of headings for the G?! Those for the H and I can be made to fit of course and should look good I think. Kind regards - Oliver -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von David Breneman Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Februar 2010 23:15 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Stamann wrote: > Hello David, > we made repoductions of the classification headings for the AMI H and > I models. > We found a picture in the G200 operators manual that those or similar > headings had be offered for the G too. Although little stickers with > "Waltzes", "Polka" etc. are more common I think. Hi, Oliver - So, I assume that on the G series machines, they would plug into these holes at the bottom of each title strip holder? http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/g200-category.jpg The holes are about 2-1/2" or 64cm apart. I've got to admit that the red ones would look pretty nice in this machine, and since you're looking down at the title strips, the signs wouldn't obscure the strips behind them. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 14:51:31 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Feb 16 14:52:34 2010 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] AMI G-200 Plastic 3-D Classification Headings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <565928.97745.qm@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Stamann wrote: > The holes must be meant for a kind of heading - like shown > in the operator's guide. > The pins on the headings for the H and I models are only 1 > 1/2" apart though! OK, so I re-measured them. 1-1/2 inches! I guess I held up the tape measure with "1" over one hole and "2-1/2" over the other hold and forgot to subtract one inch! A check of the archives will reveal that this is not the first time this has happened. :-) But I do have an excuse - I'm a Peninsula High School graduate. I was obviously at a logging road kegger the day they taught measuring. So now I've got to get myself a set of these. From jeffzurn at cox.net Tue Feb 16 14:59:03 2010 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Tue Feb 16 15:00:10 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] re:Trashcan burl pattern References: <20100216.172907.21160.3@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <002001caaf5b$a3013310$7cd24109@IBMCamargo> Water decal, I believe... ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] re:Trashcan burl pattern Gentlemen: Since this is a discussion thread covering Trashcan burled paint finishes, this is related but slightly off-topic---has anyone here purchased/used the wood burl kit sold by Victory Glass intended for use with a Wurlitzer 1100 juke? What does that kit consist of? is it a veneer kit? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=fmlcwJ3w1qL8nenfNGdR8wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From carbide2chips at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 15:20:11 2010 From: carbide2chips at yahoo.com (Scott Sukopp) Date: Tue Feb 16 15:21:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Odd problems with selections - poltergeists? In-Reply-To: <766B08996E1C489DBE095DA4C7C7C848@Marksvaio> Message-ID: <972786.76598.qm@web110001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mark, Is this a common theme throughout, or just on D5? --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Mark Addleson wrote: From: Mark Addleson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Odd problems with selections - poltergeists? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 4:13 PM I'm still 'tuning' my Seeburg 'R', trying to get it to go through the complete cycle of selecting and playing all 100 selections flawlessly. Either I'm a slow learner and/or there are malign influences at work. Probably both.? What I thought were pin bank problems (I did a thorough cleaning of contacts/strips when restoring it) probably has something to do with leaf switch settings (mech and/or credit unit) and at times I think I've got these right.? Then things like the following happen. Select D5.? It plays perfectly.? At the end of this cycle, record is at rest, parked as it should be, waiting to be returned to its slot.? Put in another coin and select D3.? Record is returned to rack, mech scans, plays D3.? Instead of 'parking', it returns D3 to rack and scans on to D5, plays this and comes to rest as it should at the end of the record.? If there a logical explanation I may understand the intermittent 'flaws' in the cycle. Any advice would be appreciated including help with exorcism. Thanks Mark _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Feb 16 15:28:27 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Feb 16 15:31:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] re:Trashcan burl pattern Message-ID: <20100216.182827.21160.7@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Thanks for your help, Jeff. In your opinion, does that look very authentic? Was the burl finish on a W1100 accomplished using water decals? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=H09UKa_Y-91pApkv8NR-dgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Feb 16 15:51:59 2010 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 16 15:53:10 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Themed AMI G80 Message-ID: <19f13.57153415.38ac899f@aol.com> That sounds cool.Can't wait to see the pictures. I love the Beatles also. I've probably got most of their LPs and 45s. J.C. In a message dated 2/16/2010 5:02:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Hi all, I thought I would share my latest idea on the AMI G80...I am preparing a second backdrop that will be removable and just fit over the original one, as a Beatles Theme. Yes....I love the Beatles and have every record they ever put out on 45rpm. I am using a Beatles Poster and finishing off the sides with a small folded paper trim around the edges, much like the original backdrop is mounted. I won't have to staple but a few on the top and bottom, as it's much smoother and stronger than the original plastic back. What will finish this off is the reverse side of the Gold Platter will be done in a Beatles 45rpm jacket, glued to the platter and trimmed carefully. Lots of Reds and colors in the Poster so it should look fantastic! When I am ready for a change, flip the platter and remove the backdrop...back to the original, simple as that....I am excited! I am sure there will be lots of Pictures to come, LOL Jackie_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 16:34:01 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Feb 16 16:35:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Test message Message-ID: <915725.68839.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It used to be that Yahoo Mail sent half of the posts to this list (and all of my posts) to the spam inbox. Now I'm not seeing my posts at all. I want to see if I get this one. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 16:35:35 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 16 16:36:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Odd problems with selections - poltergeists? In-Reply-To: <766B08996E1C489DBE095DA4C7C7C848@Marksvaio> Message-ID: <342745.57460.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mark, You are going to need to watch it and determine if the pin is pulling, or not being fully returned to the "off" position--and if the pin dresser is redressing it into the selected state-- See the Service manual for alignment procedures, as needed.? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Mark Addleson wrote: From: Mark Addleson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Odd problems with selections - poltergeists? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 2:13 PM I'm still 'tuning' my Seeburg 'R', trying to get it to go through the complete cycle of selecting and playing all 100 selections flawlessly. Either I'm a slow learner and/or there are malign influences at work. Probably both.? What I thought were pin bank problems (I did a thorough cleaning of contacts/strips when restoring it) probably has something to do with leaf switch settings (mech and/or credit unit) and at times I think I've got these right.? Then things like the following happen. Select D5.? It plays perfectly.? At the end of this cycle, record is at rest, parked as it should be, waiting to be returned to its slot.? Put in another coin and select D3.? Record is returned to rack, mech scans, plays D3.? Instead of 'parking', it returns D3 to rack and scans on to D5, plays this and comes to rest as it should at the end of the record.? If there a logical explanation I may understand the intermittent 'flaws' in the cycle. Any advice would be appreciated including help with exorcism. Thanks Mark _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 16:36:55 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 16 16:37:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] re:Trashcan burl pattern In-Reply-To: <20100216.172907.21160.3@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <434912.21683.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Why don't you call Denny at VG--he would be happy to answer this---? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/16/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] re:Trashcan burl pattern To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 2:29 PM Gentlemen: Since this is a discussion thread covering Trashcan burled paint finishes, this is related but slightly off-topic---has anyone here purchased/used the wood burl kit sold by Victory Glass intended for use with a Wurlitzer 1100 juke???? What does that kit consist of????is it a veneer kit? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=fmlcwJ3w1qL8nenfNGdR8wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 16:40:34 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 16 16:41:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Odd problems with selections - poltergeists? In-Reply-To: <4B7B1D55.3060405@west.net> Message-ID: <936761.56078.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, Pop meter is operated with EXACTLY the same pulse as the cancel coil(s). Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Odd problems with selections - poltergeists? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 2:33 PM On 2/16/10 2:13 PM, Mark Addleson wrote: > Select D5.? It plays perfectly.? At the end of this cycle, record is at > rest, parked as it should be, waiting to be returned to its slot.? Put in > another coin and select D3.? Record is returned to rack, mech scans, plays > D3.? Instead of 'parking', it returns D3 to rack and scans on to D5, plays > this and comes to rest as it should at the end of the record.? If there a > logical explanation I may understand the intermittent 'flaws' in the cycle. > Any advice would be appreciated including help with exorcism. Attached to the carriage is a contact block that rides in the track below the pinbank.? This serves two functions.? Contacts in the block sense selected pins, closing a connection to the trip solenoid to put the mechanism into transfer.? This sounds like it is working fine in your case. The second function is canceling records as they are played.? Just as the record is clamped, a voltage pulse is sent from the switch stack to one of two cancel coils on the contact block.? These are visible, mounted on an angle adjacent to the inner and outer pins.? The reversing switch determines whether the inner or outer coil fires.? The problem you describe sounds like a problem with the cancel operation.? There are several things to check: Power supply voltages need to be correct. The leaf switch on the stack must be clean.? It's a make-before-break to provide a momentary pulse. Same for the reversing switch contacts. The cancel coil plunger must be free to move.? It has a small spring-like end to tap the pin back into place.? Make sure there isn't any oil or sticky gunk in there. The alignment of the contact block must be correct so that the cancel coil plunger hits the pin. The pin itself must move relatively freely. By the way, the popularity meter coil is operated by the same pulse (but before the reversing switch).? If the popularity meter works solidly you can probably rule out voltage and the switch stack contact. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 16:48:51 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 16 16:49:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Test message In-Reply-To: <915725.68839.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <103894.88239.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Ja, Jahoo "messes up"--I know I don't get all of mine back--all of a sudden I will get a notice that the list got my post--but it's nowhere for me to see--sometimes it's in spam--sometimes I get two of the exact same things from the list--??? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/16/10, David Breneman wrote:From: David Breneman Subject: [Jukebox-list] Test message To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 4:34 PM It used to be that Yahoo Mail sent half of the posts to this list (and all of my posts) to the spam inbox.? Now I'm not seeing my posts at all.? I want to see if I get this one. David Breneman? ? ? ???david_breneman@yahoo.com ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 16:52:47 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Feb 16 16:53:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Magazine Drive Motor nosie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <419216.67010.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Is the motor driven from the contacts on the "pin bank" of that model? If so, you have a "dirty" area on the "track" that the wiper rides on--try some DeOxIt-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Rob Blakeslee wrote: From: Rob Blakeslee Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Magazine Drive Motor nosie To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 5:10 PM It seems like I have a clicking or ratcheting noise coming from my magazine drive motor on my Rockola 460.? It only happens at two areas on the magazine and they seem like they are opposite or 180 degrees from each other.? Any ideas?? Is there any maintenance that should performed on the motor? Thanks, Rob _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From steve.lane at dishmail.net Tue Feb 16 17:13:59 2010 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Tue Feb 16 17:15:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <692993.23259.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20100216.163935.21160.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> <692993.23259.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <61088cf91002161713h713ab7a4na56360644fe4033e@mail.gmail.com> Well, I did it. I bought the rad shack parts at my lunch hour and soldered them in. The jukebox sounds better than it ever has. Thanks guys. Steve On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 2:22 PM, D R wrote: > I have a chart, where it is I can't think of it at the moment, but I > believe it is in one of my old University Loudspeaker "Technilog" I > understand how it works, I may have worded it incorrectly. > > > At 01:39 PM 2/16/2010, you wrote: > > DR: >> >> The bigger the capacitance value, the lower the hi pass frequency point >> becomes. A simple hi pass filter iusing 1 capacitor trails off low >> frequencies at 6 db per octave, a fairly getle rolloff. The 12" woofers >> are fed the full frequency spectrum--they naturally begin to fall off circa >> 4000 Hz >> >> The 6" closed back mid-hi speakers can be damaged by low frequency input, >> so these crossover caps >> typically are passing the full audio spectrum at about 1500 Hz up. Audio >> energy below 500 Hz needs to be avoided. >> > > I suggested the 8uf at 100v since that was all I could find in a quick > search of Parts Express. > > > > If Steve, the writer asking this question, had a hard time finding non >> polarized cap values I suggested that he lower the capacitance value (raise >> the hi-pass freq to the spkrs) to err on the side of caution. >> > > I agree with you about Radio Shack, I buy parts in quantity from Mouser > since I do complete rebuilds, however if Radio Shack is the only place in > town and I am in the field, working on a instrument, and it's an emergency, > I'll bite. Luckily for me there is a local alternative a little place > called Torrance Electronics in Torrance California. One of the last true > electronic stores here. Fry's is also another "last emergency stop" > alternative. ;) > > > Last but not least, I've run across some really poor quality raw electronic >> components being sold by the Shack. The complete merchandise they sell tends >> to be a lot better. Can't speak for these particular capacitors, but if it >> were me I'd look for your parts elsewhere. I definitely wouldn't buy any >> speaker drive units from them. IMHO, you're paying top dollar for junk >> quality parts. >> >> Jim A. >> > > Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. Svc. Co. > http://www.hammondorganservice.com > Carillon Web Ring http://g.webring.com/hub?ring=thecarillonwebri > Organ Builders and Dealers Web Ring > http://u.webring.com/hub?ring=organbuildersand > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 16 16:18:47 2010 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Tue Feb 16 17:23:40 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kyle, I'll have to chime in here. If the poster has the same 1464 manual I have, then he's correct, there is no service info in it. Only the installation and parts info (only service stuff in it is the amp and cabinet schematics/ wiring diagrams, no...or very little adjustments). No sequence of operations at all. I kept my 1458 manual (no longer have the juke) for that techy stuff as it has the same mech in it and is the same year (1958). I have been told there is no service manual for this machine, what I have is all there is. This manual has 19 pages in it and is AMR # R-383. Hope this helps the original poster, Rick. > From: mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:54:25 -0800 > Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems > > > > Bravo for giving it a shot. You're on your way to not being afraid to at least take a look. > > There is a switch on or near the rear of the tonearm that should have tripped the cycle. > > One of two things is wrong. > 1) That switch is either broken/dirty/out of adjustment/disconnected OR > 2) Whatever supplies power to that switch is dirty/broken/out of adjustment, etc. > > Did you try the reject button on the back of the machine while record was playing? > Did you try picking up the tonearm and moving it a little closer to the center of the turntable? > > Nothing happens by magic on these. > Each action is triggered or powered by a switch of some kind, so you have to start there. > It's a logic sequence, and if you can identify what's supposed to be happening and what's supposed to trigger that action, then you can track it down. > > By jumping to the conclusion that the reversing relay is faulty, you've skipped the part where something has to trigger that relay and neglected to look for/at that. > > No big deal. This is how we learn. 98 of 100 people wouldn't attempt what you're doing, and you'll either learn or at least try and realize it's out of your league. > Don't give up. I spent an hour yesterday tracking down a selector short that I'd been all but staring at the whole time. > > The advanced lesson on this problem is that the reject/reversing system is not powered when the machine is in the scan mode. > Somewhere on a cam or something is a switch that enables both the end-of-record switch > and the reject button on the back when the machine is in "play" mode. > That's the next place to look, and your "not much there" manual should cover all this. Most manuals have a trouble shooting section. > Are you sure you got the full service manual? If it's 10 pages + or -, it's not the service manual. Most manuals are 80-150 pages. > I'm confused by "not much there." Not much there literally, or not much there that was helpful to you? > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Tue Feb 16 17:27:21 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Feb 16 17:28:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Odd problems with selections - poltergeists? In-Reply-To: <936761.56078.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <936761.56078.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B7B45F9.3040607@west.net> On 2/16/10 4:40 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jay, > Pop meter is operated with EXACTLY the same pulse as the cancel coil(s). Ron Rich Except that the cancel coil goes through the reversing switch to select the proper (odd/even) coil. If the reversing switch isn't making good contact then this would affect the cancel coil and not the popularity meter. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Feb 16 17:41:25 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Feb 16 17:44:41 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement Message-ID: <20100216.204125.11829.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Ron: I think we both know there are a number of audiophile products in the home entrtainment marketed to appeal to peoples' vanity. If you're not careful, you can spend the value of your mortgage on a single stereo system. I have a difficult time understanding what modicum of improvement is given to the audio playback experience through the use of mil-spec crossover capacitors,specially wound monster speaker cable etc. You can only take sonic accuracy so far---this can be analyzed and measured. I think the proper term is better sound through marketing...... Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=hO6XEt-AY_TKj_5dT3N0TAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Feb 16 20:22:49 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Feb 16 20:23:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Message-ID: <000e01caaf88$ddf03340$99d099c0$@net> Was over at John Hayes house this evening looking at his SS160 scan twice and not select issue. I know he has received some great advice as to initial troubleshooting steps and we did remove the mech and pricing plugs from the control unit. Sprayed them with Deoxit and scrubbed with toothbrush...didn't work. It was also suggested we do some testing with a pair of alligator clips and a battery to test the tormat write in.I think. We didn't have complete instruction to do that so skipped it. We failed to check for the large metal cap in the autospeed unit. My initial thoughts is it is original and has not been rebuilt. I did notice the two large Mallory caps located in the middle of the Control Unit look like they were leaking. There was some corrosion around the + connection to both caps. Captain Obvious question follows....could this be the source of the problem? They are rated at 1200 MFD/35v and 300MFD/50v I assume they are electrolytic since there is a +/- pole? Can someone recommend a good replacement. Do the values need to match exactly? Thanks. Rich From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Feb 16 21:05:39 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Feb 16 21:09:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Message-ID: <20100217.000539.12614.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Rich: For 1967 Seeburg SS160: Yes, the caps in the tormat control unit need to be the exact values. Voltage ratings of new electrolytic caps can be higher than 35V. 1200 mfd is not a popular value any more. You may need to take a 1000 mfd and a 220 mfd cap of the same voltage rating and wire them in parallel with each other. This is what I've had to do lately. The next question that a long-distance tech will ask if the electrolytic caps are visibly leaking, what shape are all the others in? A tormat controller is a logically-operated system. Like any computer chassis, all electronic functions have to be 100%up or it won't work. Need a recap/rebuild job? The tormat control system has several specific voltages that have to be present (test procedure to test this is in the book) or the system will just scan twice,then stop. First, check all fuses on the chassis. Check for the presence of the voltages. (there's a test socket to do this) There also should be a detailed test procedure there to determine what functions of the tormat are operable,what's not and how to how to localize the problem. If you don't have the full SS160 manual---this is a great manual to have for Seeburgs of this era up to the LS-3. Very complete and well written. Most likely there is NOT a problem with the tormat readout bar itself. The contact surfaces of it and the mechanism contact block should be clean if they haven't been. Next step would be to make the battery write in test. You need a 1.5 volt C or D battery and clip leads for this. This will enable you to write in all the selections on the tormat in lieu of using the write-in keyboard function. Start the mech using the scan-run switch, in the run position. The mech should stop at all odd and even selections. Odd pickup as mech scans left to right. Even as mech scans right to left. This machine should be a 45/33 intermix unit using an autospeed chassis. Native scanning speed should be 45 RPM . Mech will stay on 45 as the record clamper senses the large size record hole. If small hole record is loaded into the mech, relay will click on the autospeed unit to drive the mech motor. If autospeed chassis is not working, turntable will come to a stop. Rejecting the record should start the mech up again. This Seeburg uses simplified-design solid state circuitry throughout for ease of repair and maintenance,compared to the earlier 60's models. It is a dependable, good-sounding juke when running correctly. Try these basic tests and see what your results are. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=pHSZMhjFmXCHstXT4lDLFAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Feb 16 18:44:40 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Feb 16 21:39:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality Message-ID: Update. I have my AY out on loan for a stage show, so it's in the rehearsal room right now. If you stand back about 20 or more feet, the highs it IS producing have a chance to get to ear level and it doesn't sound half bad. I suppose in a big room they sounded fair enough, thanks to the slight upward angle of the speakers, this being defeated when patrons stood in front of it (Unless they had REALLY skinny legs). Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From stamann at jukebox-world.de Wed Feb 17 01:16:10 2010 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Wed Feb 17 01:19:21 2010 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems Message-ID: Hello, the complete service manual for 1464 is about the same style like 1458: Installation and Operation Manual (4 pages), Instruction Manual (25 pages) and Parts List (19 pages). The large schematic is extra like always with Rock-Ola manuals. With model Regis and up the manuals did grow in amount of pages and giving more details. Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Rick Force Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Februar 2010 08:01 An: juke list Betreff: RE: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems Hi Kyle, I'll have to chime in here. If the poster has the same 1464 manual I have, then he's correct, there is no service info in it. Only the installation and parts info (only service stuff in it is the amp and cabinet schematics/ wiring diagrams, no...or very little adjustments). No sequence of operations at all. I kept my 1458 manual (no longer have the juke) for that techy stuff as it has the same mech in it and is the same year (1958). I have been told there is no service manual for this machine, what I have is all there is. This manual has 19 pages in it and is AMR # R-383. Hope this helps the original poster, Rick. > From: mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:54:25 -0800 > Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems > > > > Bravo for giving it a shot. You're on your way to not being afraid to at least take a look. > > There is a switch on or near the rear of the tonearm that should have tripped the cycle. > > One of two things is wrong. > 1) That switch is either broken/dirty/out of adjustment/disconnected > OR > 2) Whatever supplies power to that switch is dirty/broken/out of adjustment, etc. > > Did you try the reject button on the back of the machine while record was playing? > Did you try picking up the tonearm and moving it a little closer to the center of the turntable? > > Nothing happens by magic on these. > Each action is triggered or powered by a switch of some kind, so you have to start there. > It's a logic sequence, and if you can identify what's supposed to be happening and what's supposed to trigger that action, then you can track it down. > > By jumping to the conclusion that the reversing relay is faulty, you've skipped the part where something has to trigger that relay and neglected to look for/at that. > > No big deal. This is how we learn. 98 of 100 people wouldn't attempt what you're doing, and you'll either learn or at least try and realize it's out of your league. > Don't give up. I spent an hour yesterday tracking down a selector short that I'd been all but staring at the whole time. > > The advanced lesson on this problem is that the reject/reversing system is not powered when the machine is in the scan mode. > Somewhere on a cam or something is a switch that enables both the > end-of-record switch and the reject button on the back when the machine is in "play" mode. > That's the next place to look, and your "not much there" manual should cover all this. Most manuals have a trouble shooting section. > Are you sure you got the full service manual? If it's 10 pages + or -, it's not the service manual. Most manuals are 80-150 pages. > I'm confused by "not much there." Not much there literally, or not much there that was helpful to you? > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/______________________ > _________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From organlists at pacbell.net Wed Feb 17 01:31:24 2010 From: organlists at pacbell.net (D R) Date: Wed Feb 17 01:32:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 In-Reply-To: <20100217.000539.12614.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100217.000539.12614.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <82502.76057.qm@smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looking at the Mouser catalog, Nichicon does make a radial 1200uf 35v Aluminum Electrolytic. Cost is .80 cents for quantity of one. P/N 647-UHE1V122MHD page 751 of the Feb to July 2010 catalog. Nichicon has a radial 330uf at 50vdc p/n 647-UHE1H331MPD Cost .50 cents for one. If you want the axial part numbers I can look them up. At 09:05 PM 2/16/2010, you wrote: >Rich: > >For 1967 Seeburg SS160: > > >Yes, the caps in the tormat control unit need to be the exact >values. Voltage ratings of new electrolytic caps can be higher than >35V. 1200 mfd is not a popular value any more. You may need to >take a 1000 mfd and a 220 mfd cap of the same voltage rating and >wire them in parallel with each other. This is what I've had to do lately. > Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. Svc. Co. http://www.hammondorganservice.com Carillon Web Ring http://g.webring.com/hub?ring=thecarillonwebri Organ Builders and Dealers Web Ring http://u.webring.com/hub?ring=organbuildersand From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Wed Feb 17 04:35:56 2010 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Wed Feb 17 04:36:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Correction... Message-ID: Please note... The autospeed unit drives the motor in the 45rpm speed and the mechanism scans in the native 33rpm. You have it backwards Jim! Note also that there is a 100mfd 50 volt cap in the credit unit, if it is bad it will cause the same write in symptoms, I believe it is there for a delay function.... Mel From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Feb 17 06:22:01 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Feb 17 06:25:23 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Correction... Message-ID: <20100217.092201.14028.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Mel: Are you sure about that? Wasn't the last Seeburg juke to use the 33 RPM native speed the 1966 Discotheque model? It had a model number like PFEAU, not really sure. This was the last of the machines to use the LPC-1 style format technology.. As I understand it, the LPC-1 units used a 33RPM native speed,toggled to 45, and picked up all selections ,both odd and even on a left to right scan. A new simpler-circuit tormat control chassis was introduced, that went back to left hand pickup of odd selections, right hand pickup of even numbers. This was also the last Seeburg to use the cartridge with the T stylii. If not with the SS-160, when did all of these tech changes take place? JIm A. ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ogW872Do2HLssJJ3gUpISAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From bpgbpg at comcast.net Wed Feb 17 07:34:21 2010 From: bpgbpg at comcast.net (Brad Grant) Date: Wed Feb 17 07:34:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] re:Trashcan burl pattern Message-ID: Very nice! Wow, you'll have a great trashcan when you're done. My wood/metal 148 has a burl pattern (from what I can see is left) only under the selector, under the gold line, I think. The door and dome both have just straight grains-- above the gold line on the selectors, who knows. Would really like to see your juke when it is done! Thanks for the help, Brad http://www.jukeboxnut.com My From: NotarySojac Date: February 16, 2010 10:00:34 AM PST To: Jukebox List Subject: [Jukebox-list] re:Trashcan burl pattern Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list Brad, I'm using a water-transfer service, similar to the original method Seeburg used to get that fake grain pattern on the metal bits. Check out: http://www.mmcustomfinishing.com/Site/Finishes.html Here you can see the sample patterns they use. Snoop around the website for more information on the process. Pattern #19 seems the closest to the original burlwood. I took all of my Trashcan's metal parts to them. They stripped them down to bare metal, prepped the surface and painted them the original brown base color. Now they will be applying a very close grain over the brown paint using the water-transfer process. Bob > [Jukebox-list] re:Trashcan burl pattern > Brad Grant bpgbpg at comcast.net > Tue Feb 16 08:06:14 PST 2010 > * Previous message: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Auxiliary Speaker > Adapter No. 28947 Schematic > * Next message: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1428 Magic-glo > decoration needed > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > ________________________________ > > I need to do the same resto on mine. Where do you get the "grains", > are you using the rubber stamp method or what? > Thanks for any help, > Brad From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Feb 17 07:42:19 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Feb 17 07:43:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Odd problems with selections - poltergeists? In-Reply-To: <4B7B45F9.3040607@west.net> Message-ID: <107152.1514.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, That's correct--? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Odd problems with selections - poltergeists? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 5:27 PM On 2/16/10 4:40 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jay, > Pop meter is operated with EXACTLY the same pulse as the cancel coil(s). Ron Rich Except that the cancel coil goes through the reversing switch to select the proper (odd/even) coil.? If the reversing switch isn't making good contact then this would affect the cancel coil and not the popularity meter. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Feb 17 07:44:39 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Feb 17 07:45:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement In-Reply-To: <20100216.204125.11829.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <274985.4351.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, I think you are correct--however, I think I take an exception to the word "Marketing"--I think I prefer "Hype"---LOL-- Ron --- On Tue, 2/16/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Speaker Replacement To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 5:41 PM Ron: I think we both know there are a number of audiophile products in the home entrtainment marketed to appeal to peoples' vanity. If you're not careful, you can spend the value of your mortgage on a single stereo system. I have a difficult time understanding what modicum of improvement is given to the audio playback experience through the use of mil-spec crossover capacitors,specially wound monster speaker cable etc.? You can only take sonic accuracy so far---this can be analyzed and measured.???I think the proper term is better sound through marketing......??? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=hO6XEt-AY_TKj_5dT3N0TAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Feb 17 07:55:08 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Feb 17 07:56:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 In-Reply-To: <000e01caaf88$ddf03340$99d099c0$@net> Message-ID: <170797.7782.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, What unit/ code are you looking at?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 8:22 PM Was over at John Hayes house this evening looking at his SS160 scan twice and not select issue.? I know he has received some great advice as to initial troubleshooting steps and we did remove the mech and pricing plugs from the control unit.? Sprayed them with Deoxit and scrubbed with toothbrush...didn't work.? It was also suggested we do some testing with a pair of alligator clips and a battery to test the tormat write in.I think. We didn't have complete instruction to do that so skipped it. We failed to check for the large metal cap in the autospeed unit.? My initial thoughts is it is original and has not been rebuilt.? I did notice the two large Mallory caps located in? the middle of the Control Unit look like they were leaking.? There was some corrosion around the + connection to both caps.? Captain Obvious question follows....could this be the source of the problem?? They are rated at 1200 MFD/35v and 300MFD/50v? I assume they are electrolytic since there is a +/- pole?? Can someone recommend a good replacement.? Do the values need to match exactly? Thanks. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Feb 17 07:59:09 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Feb 17 08:00:18 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Correction... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <759308.11251.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mel, The 100/50 in the UDPU has nothing to do with the WI circuit. It is simply the "add-hold" credit magnet timing devise. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Mel Knight wrote: From: Mel Knight Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Correction... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 4:35 AM Please note... ? ? ? ? ? The autospeed unit drives the motor in the 45rpm speed and the mechanism scans in the native 33rpm. You have it backwards Jim! Note also that there is a 100mfd 50 volt cap in the credit unit, if it is bad it will cause the same write in symptoms, I believe it is there for a delay function.... ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Feb 17 08:13:49 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Feb 17 08:14:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Correction... In-Reply-To: <20100217.092201.14028.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <892033.18702.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, SS-160 is native 33--new style cart introduced with this model. LS-1 was native 45. There were two "Discotheque" models in the prior year. One called (by the "Hype dept") the "Fleetwood" and marked as APFEA-1 operates like the LPC models--picks only going from left to right. This has a solid state control center (SCC-4)(NO "test" socket) which replaced the tube type used in the LPC's. The other one was called "Electra" and marked PFEA-1U. This used a solid state control center (SCC-3) also, but picked going both ways. Cabinet art work was almost exactly the same for both models--most people would not be able to spot any difference. The SS-160 is an "improved" version of the PFEAU-1, in a new cabinet. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 2/17/10, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Correction... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 6:22 AM Mel: Are you sure about that?? Wasn't the last Seeburg juke to use the 33 RPM native speed the 1966 Discotheque model????It had a model number like PFEAU, not really sure.???This was the last of the machines to use the LPC-1 style format technology.. As I understand it, the LPC-1 units used a 33RPM native speed,toggled to 45, and picked up all selections ,both odd and even on a left to right scan.? ? ? A new simpler-circuit tormat control chassis was introduced, that went back to left hand pickup of odd selections, right hand pickup of even numbers.? This was also the last Seeburg to use the cartridge with the T stylii.? ? If not with the SS-160, when did all of these tech changes take place? JIm A.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ogW872Do2HLssJJ3gUpISAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From cew142 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 17 08:15:18 2010 From: cew142 at yahoo.com (Jay) Date: Wed Feb 17 08:16:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <407069.85764.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for your update! I am chalking this subject up on "just how the Seeburg sounds". With having experience on four different jukes. Each one has it's own sound quality. The wurllys sound different from the Seeburgs, which sounds different from the rockola's. Even getting deeper into it, the different models of wurlly's sound different from each other. With modifications to the style of box and amp, it really makes a difference. On my AY: With me changing out three different cartridges and needles and not getting different results, the only culprits are the speakers or amp. I haven't had time to trouble shoot the speakers on mine yet. Caught the common cold that is going around... --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > From: Mechanical Music of S.F. > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 9:44 PM > > Update. > > I have my AY out on loan for a stage show, so it's in the > rehearsal room right now. > If you stand back about 20 or more feet, the highs it IS > producing have a chance to get to ear level and it doesn't > sound half bad.? I suppose in a big room they sounded > fair enough, thanks to the slight upward angle of the > speakers, this being defeated when patrons stood in front of > it (Unless they had REALLY skinny legs). > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > ??? > ???????? > ?????? ??? > ? > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From blair_jm at blairhotels.com Wed Feb 17 07:46:24 2010 From: blair_jm at blairhotels.com (James Blair) Date: Wed Feb 17 08:20:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Selection Labels for Rock-ola 1428 Magic-glo In-Reply-To: <419216.67010.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <419216.67010.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15FA42DD6FFB174FBA562C35846D9D8D01B2439D81EA@matty.BlairHotels.local> I have to make a few new labels (broken records) - if I am going to do a few I might as well do all of them so they match. Does anyone know where I can but the pre-cut labels by the sheet. I need at least 20 but would like to buy about 40. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 5:53 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Magazine Drive Motor nosie Is the motor driven from the contacts on the "pin bank" of that model? If so, you have a "dirty" area on the "track" that the wiper rides on--try some DeOxIt-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Rob Blakeslee wrote: From: Rob Blakeslee Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Magazine Drive Motor nosie To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 5:10 PM It seems like I have a clicking or ratcheting noise coming from my magazine drive motor on my Rockola 460.? It only happens at two areas on the magazine and they seem like they are opposite or 180 degrees from each other.? Any ideas?? Is there any maintenance that should performed on the motor? Thanks, Rob _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Feb 17 08:48:53 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Wed Feb 17 08:49:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 In-Reply-To: <170797.7782.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <000e01caaf88$ddf03340$99d099c0$@net> <170797.7782.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92B005AF1502470C8E2440A0C4CF52E5@p4> Ron, I failed to take notes regarding the unit model. I looked up the part in the SS160 parts manual and believe this one is original to the juke. It is listed as the Solid State Control Center, Type SCC3 I will defer to John for verification. Maybe he can check the actual unit when he has a chance to pull and look at it. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Rich, What unit/ code are you looking at?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 8:22 PM Was over at John Hayes house this evening looking at his SS160 scan twice and not select issue.? I know he has received some great advice as to initial troubleshooting steps and we did remove the mech and pricing plugs from the control unit.? Sprayed them with Deoxit and scrubbed with toothbrush...didn't work.? It was also suggested we do some testing with a pair of alligator clips and a battery to test the tormat write in.I think. We didn't have complete instruction to do that so skipped it. We failed to check for the large metal cap in the autospeed unit.? My initial thoughts is it is original and has not been rebuilt.? I did notice the two large Mallory caps located in? the middle of the Control Unit look like they were leaking.? There was some corrosion around the + connection to both caps.? Captain Obvious question follows....could this be the source of the problem?? They are rated at 1200 MFD/35v and 300MFD/50v? I assume they are electrolytic since there is a +/- pole?? Can someone recommend a good replacement.? Do the values need to match exactly? Thanks. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2689 - Release Date: 02/17/10 01:35:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Feb 17 08:52:44 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Feb 17 08:53:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Selection Labels for Rock-ola 1428 Magic-glo In-Reply-To: <15FA42DD6FFB174FBA562C35846D9D8D01B2439D81EA@matty.BlairHotels.local> Message-ID: <346695.39628.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Try www.victoryglass.com? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 2/17/10, James Blair wrote: From: James Blair Subject: [Jukebox-list] Selection Labels for Rock-ola 1428 Magic-glo To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:46 AM I have to make a few new labels (broken records) - if I am going to do a few I might as well do all of them so they match.? Does anyone know where I can but the pre-cut labels by the sheet.? I need at least 20 but would like to buy about 40.? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 5:53 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Magazine Drive Motor nosie Is the motor driven from the contacts on the "pin bank" of that model? If so, you have a "dirty" area on the "track" that the wiper rides on--try some DeOxIt-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Rob Blakeslee wrote: From: Rob Blakeslee Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Magazine Drive Motor nosie To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 5:10 PM It seems like I have a clicking or ratcheting noise coming from my magazine drive motor on my Rockola 460.? It only happens at two areas on the magazine and they seem like they are opposite or 180 degrees from each other.? Any ideas?? Is there any maintenance that should performed on the motor? Thanks, Rob _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinball at telus.net Wed Feb 17 10:20:47 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Feb 17 10:22:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Noise from NSM Cosmic Burst amplifier (ESVI series) Message-ID: <4B7C337F.60906@telus.net> Hi! OK, the problem I am having with the Cosmic Burst (ESVI) machine is hiss/noise from the amplifier. No schematics. The amplifier is a TOCCATA Technology LM1-S02-PCB-001(2.00) which appears to be made for the NSM machine instead of by NSM... The noise/hiss sounds not unlike an AM radio that is between stations... I have replaced the 1000/100V caps as one of them was showing signs of failure, but no change in sound quality. John :-#(# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed Feb 17 10:35:52 2010 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Feb 17 10:36:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Check out Wurlitzer 81 and stand on e-Bay In-Reply-To: <92B005AF1502470C8E2440A0C4CF52E5@p4> References: <170797.7782.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92B005AF1502470C8E2440A0C4CF52E5@p4> Message-ID: There's a nice original W 81 table top model on e-Bay. Don't see many of these too often. The bidding is getting up there! Mike Item # 150414064205 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2689 - Release Date: 02/17/10 01:35:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. L?exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s?y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu?il contient par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m?en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. From jay at west.net Wed Feb 17 10:38:22 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Feb 17 10:39:30 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Noise from NSM Cosmic Burst amplifier (ESVI series) In-Reply-To: <4B7C337F.60906@telus.net> References: <4B7C337F.60906@telus.net> Message-ID: <4B7C379E.8060903@west.net> On 2/17/10 10:20 AM, John Robertson wrote: > Hi! > > OK, the problem I am having with the Cosmic Burst (ESVI) machine is > hiss/noise from the amplifier. > > No schematics. > > The amplifier is a TOCCATA Technology LM1-S02-PCB-001(2.00) which > appears to be made for the NSM machine instead of by NSM... > > The noise/hiss sounds not unlike an AM radio that is between stations... Give us a bit more to go on. Stereo? Mono? Tube or solid-state? If stereo, is the noise on both channels? Does the volume control setting affect the volume of the noise? Static/hiss is often a failing transistor or sometimes resistor. The preamp transistors in the early Seeburg stereo amps (tube with transistorized preamp) were notorious for this. The noise is usually temperature-dependent and can be isolated with a can of "freeze spray" and/or a hair dryer. If you can't find freeze spray, get a can of the Dust-off stuff used to blow dust out of electronics, etc. Turn the can upside-down. Now you have a can of freeze spray. A burst on each transistor while the unit is playing will usually cause the noise to go away when you hit the suspect one. An oscilloscope or signal tracer is helpful here as well. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From cowbytes at yahoo.com Wed Feb 17 11:08:25 2010 From: cowbytes at yahoo.com (Bytes) Date: Wed Feb 17 11:09:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <582811.26798.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Heya Rick and Kyle!? Ty very much for all of your help!?? Rick is right,? I have the same one as his and was told that is all there is? (from VG).?? Sounds like Stamans might have somewhat more of what I need.....if I can get in the right direction a bit....Im sure I can have it figuired out! --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Rick Force wrote: From: Rick Force Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems To: "juke list" Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 4:18 PM Hi Kyle, I'll have to chime in here. If the poster has the same 1464 manual I have, then he's correct, there is no service info in it. Only the installation and parts info (only service stuff in it is the amp and cabinet schematics/ wiring diagrams, no...or very little adjustments). No sequence of operations at all. I kept my 1458 manual (no longer have the juke) for that techy stuff as it has the same mech in it and is the same year (1958). I have been told there is no service manual for this machine, what I have is all there is. This manual has 19 pages in it and is AMR # R-383. Hope this helps the original poster,? Rick. > From: mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:54:25 -0800 > Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems > > > > Bravo for giving it a shot.? You're on your way to not being afraid to at least take a look. > > There is a switch on or near the rear of the tonearm that should have tripped the cycle. > > One of two things is wrong. > 1) That switch is either broken/dirty/out of adjustment/disconnected OR > 2) Whatever supplies power to that switch is dirty/broken/out of adjustment, etc. > > Did you try the reject button on the back of the machine while record was playing?? > Did you try picking up the tonearm and moving it a little closer to the center of the turntable? > > Nothing happens by magic on these. > Each action is triggered or powered by a switch of some kind, so you have to start there. > It's a logic sequence, and if you can identify what's supposed to be happening and what's supposed to trigger that action, then you can track it down. > > By jumping to the conclusion that the reversing relay is faulty, you've skipped the part where something has to trigger that relay and neglected to look for/at that. > > No big deal. This is how we learn.? 98 of 100 people wouldn't attempt what you're doing, and you'll either learn or at least try and realize it's out of your league. > Don't give up. I spent an hour yesterday tracking down a selector short that I'd been all but staring at the whole time. > > The advanced lesson on this problem is that the reject/reversing system is not powered when the machine is in the scan mode. > Somewhere on a cam or something is a switch that enables both the end-of-record switch > and the reject button on the back when the machine is in "play" mode.? > That's the next place to look, and your "not much there" manual should cover all this.? Most manuals have a trouble shooting section. > Are you sure you got the full service manual?? If it's 10 pages + or -, it's not the service manual.? Most manuals are 80-150 pages. > I'm confused by "not much there." Not much there literally, or not much there that was helpful to you? > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > >? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Feb 17 11:27:40 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Feb 17 11:28:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Check out Wurlitzer 81 and stand on e-Bay In-Reply-To: References: <170797.7782.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92B005AF1502470C8E2440A0C4CF52E5@p4> Message-ID: Mike, that is a beauty....there is a guy that posts on a regular basis in my area Craigslist...looking for one, however I doubt that he is prepared to pay top $$. I would love to have that on my counter! Jackie On Feb 17, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > > > > > There's a nice original W 81 table top model on e-Bay. Don't see many of > these too often. > > The bidding is getting up there! > > Mike > > Item # 150414064205 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this > incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2689 - Release Date: 02/17/10 > 01:35:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive > any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information > it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. > L?exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s?y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu?il contient > par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m?en aviser imm?diatement, > par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Wed Feb 17 14:08:36 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 17 14:09:53 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 In-Reply-To: <92B005AF1502470C8E2440A0C4CF52E5@p4> References: <000e01caaf88$ddf03340$99d099c0$@net><170797.7782.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92B005AF1502470C8E2440A0C4CF52E5@p4> Message-ID: <8CC7E34E2DC9685-2414-2C60@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> That's what mine says... TYPE SCC3. -----Original Message----- From: SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2010 10:48 am Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Ron, I failed to take notes regarding the unit model. I looked up the part in the SS160 parts manual and believe this one is original to the juke. It is listed as the Solid State Control Center, Type SCC3 I will defer to John for verification. Maybe he can check the actual unit when he has a chance to pull and look at it. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Rich, What unit/ code are you looking at? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 8:22 PM Was over at John Hayes house this evening looking at his SS160 scan twice and not select issue. I know he has received some great advice as to initial troubleshooting steps and we did remove the mech and pricing plugs from the control unit. Sprayed them with Deoxit and scrubbed with toothbrush...didn't work. It was also suggested we do some testing with a pair of alligator clips and a battery to test the tormat write in.I think. We didn't have complete instruction to do that so skipped it. We failed to check for the large metal cap in the autospeed unit. My initial thoughts is it is original and has not been rebuilt. I did notice the two large Mallory caps located in the middle of the Control Unit look like they were leaking. There was some corrosion around the + connection to both caps. Captain Obvious question follows....could this be the source of the problem? They are rated at 1200 MFD/35v and 300MFD/50v I assume they are electrolytic since there is a +/- pole? Can someone recommend a good replacement. Do the values need to match exactly? Thanks. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2689 - Release Date: 02/17/10 01:35:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinball at telus.net Wed Feb 17 14:20:20 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Feb 17 14:21:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Noise from NSM Cosmic Burst amplifier (ESVI series) In-Reply-To: <4B7C379E.8060903@west.net> References: <4B7C337F.60906@telus.net> <4B7C379E.8060903@west.net> Message-ID: <4B7C6BA4.7070702@telus.net> Jay Hennigan wrote: > On 2/17/10 10:20 AM, John Robertson wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> OK, the problem I am having with the Cosmic Burst (ESVI) machine is >> hiss/noise from the amplifier. >> >> No schematics. >> >> The amplifier is a TOCCATA Technology LM1-S02-PCB-001(2.00) which >> appears to be made for the NSM machine instead of by NSM... >> >> The noise/hiss sounds not unlike an AM radio that is between stations... >> > > Give us a bit more to go on. Stereo? Mono? Tube or solid-state? > > If stereo, is the noise on both channels? > > Does the volume control setting affect the volume of the noise? > > Static/hiss is often a failing transistor or sometimes resistor. The > preamp transistors in the early Seeburg stereo amps (tube with > transistorized preamp) were notorious for this. The noise is usually > temperature-dependent and can be isolated with a can of "freeze spray" > and/or a hair dryer. > > If you can't find freeze spray, get a can of the Dust-off stuff used to > blow dust out of electronics, etc. Turn the can upside-down. Now you > have a can of freeze spray. A burst on each transistor while the unit > is playing will usually cause the noise to go away when you hit the > suspect one. > > An oscilloscope or signal tracer is helpful here as well. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > Hi Jay, The NSM Cosmic Burst (CD-wallmount) was made in the early 90s, the amplifier is digital not analog and the problem does not change as the unit warms up. I did get a note from NSM support suggesting that the small silver caps tend to dry out... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jay at west.net Wed Feb 17 16:06:48 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Feb 17 16:07:51 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Noise from NSM Cosmic Burst amplifier (ESVI series) In-Reply-To: <4B7C6BA4.7070702@telus.net> References: <4B7C337F.60906@telus.net> <4B7C379E.8060903@west.net> <4B7C6BA4.7070702@telus.net> Message-ID: <4B7C8498.1050602@west.net> On 2/17/10 2:20 PM, John Robertson wrote: > Hi Jay, > > The NSM Cosmic Burst (CD-wallmount) was made in the early 90s, the > amplifier is digital not analog and the problem does not change as the > unit warms up. > > I did get a note from NSM support suggesting that the small silver caps > tend to dry out... Is the noise in one or both channels? Does the level of the noise change with the setting of the volume control? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Feb 17 12:04:45 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Feb 17 16:23:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Message-ID: A Google search for "Seeburg tormat test" finds these simple instructions. http://www.flippers.com/Seeburg-trblshoot.html Maybe it seems complicated, but all you're doing is touching a battery to the Tormat's RCA plug for a second to energize all the memory torids to see if the mechanism will pick up (and you need a wire or alligator clip to do it because you have to touch one of each of the two ends of the battery to each of the two contacts on the RCA plug). It's that simple. Try to energize the Tormat, scan mech in normal mode. If nothing, try energizing the Tormat again only with battery reversed. Scan mech in normal mode. The battery is simply used to energize the all of torids (selections) on the Tormat memory unit to see if you can get the mechanism to find and play them. It's just that simple. If nothing, then you have a read out problem (not reading remembered selections). The battery essentially wrote IN all the selections. You should probably buy the control center rebuild kit and just rebuild it, but if two of you couldn't figure out the battery test, which takes all of 10-15 seconds to do, I don't know how we can help you remotely. The Totmat battery test is Seeburg 100 level stuff that anyone working on them should know. I'm scanning a diagram for you and will post it within the hour. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Feb 17 12:24:46 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Feb 17 16:23:42 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems (Manual mystery solved). Message-ID: Manual: Looks like a tough one to find. Why? You have a wall mount, a specialty item. BUT... There were 4 models in 1958; the other one with 120 selections was the model 1458. These jukeboxes are almost certainly identical mechanically and electrically. They obviously published a supplement containing the specific cabinet parts for the 1464 since it was a wall mount. That's what you have and why it seems incomplete. You can find a 1458 manual at all the usual places, eBay, etc. In a similar occurrence, the 1971 Seeburg USC-2 only has a supplement manual outlining the cosmetic parts differences between it and the 1970 USC-1. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Feb 17 12:33:25 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Feb 17 16:24:04 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Themed AMI G80 Message-ID: Jackie, instead of stapling through the existing backdrop, forever damaging it, find a way to hook it at the top, perhaps by simply folding the top edge of your new backdrop over or installing some snaps. Get creative. Any hack can just staple something up. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:30:10 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Feb 17 16:24:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Trashcan front door animation unit. Message-ID: Wasn't someone looking for this as a replacement or upgrade (or wondering if they even existed)? Here's the item and chance to get it - they're not growing on trees! eBay item # 390156920688 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ From pinball at telus.net Wed Feb 17 16:27:21 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Feb 17 16:28:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Noise from NSM Cosmic Burst amplifier (ESVI series) In-Reply-To: <4B7C8498.1050602@west.net> References: <4B7C337F.60906@telus.net> <4B7C379E.8060903@west.net> <4B7C6BA4.7070702@telus.net> <4B7C8498.1050602@west.net> Message-ID: <4B7C8969.3000001@telus.net> Jay Hennigan wrote: > On 2/17/10 2:20 PM, John Robertson wrote: > > >> Hi Jay, >> >> The NSM Cosmic Burst (CD-wallmount) was made in the early 90s, the >> amplifier is digital not analog and the problem does not change as the >> unit warms up. >> >> I did get a note from NSM support suggesting that the small silver caps >> tend to dry out... >> > > Is the noise in one or both channels? > > Does the level of the noise change with the setting of the volume control? > Hi Jay, Both channels, and volume has no affect on the level. It uses MOSFets for outputs, but I think the problem is further in - however this amp behaves more like a switching power supply then an analog audio amp and thus has more interesting problems! It sure is small for the rated power output @ something like 200W/channel(!)...not sure if that is RMS or 'Peak' though. This is a job for my ESR meter kit (small advert) and I'll let folks know what Ifind. Darn surface mount caps (grumble)... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Feb 17 16:36:44 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Feb 17 16:37:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Selection Labels for Rock-ola 1428 Magic-glo References: <419216.67010.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <15FA42DD6FFB174FBA562C35846D9D8D01B2439D81EA@matty.BlairHotels.local> Message-ID: <000401cab032$727d5430$48944e18@compaq> www.green45.com These are by far the best title sheets. They are the correct thickness, perforated and a good price. The link is for the home page. Click top center to find them. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Selection Labels for Rock-ola 1428 Magic-glo I have to make a few new labels (broken records) - if I am going to do a few I might as well do all of them so they match. Does anyone know where I can but the pre-cut labels by the sheet. I need at least 20 but would like to buy about 40. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 5:53 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Magazine Drive Motor nosie Is the motor driven from the contacts on the "pin bank" of that model? If so, you have a "dirty" area on the "track" that the wiper rides on--try some DeOxIt-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Rob Blakeslee wrote: From: Rob Blakeslee Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Magazine Drive Motor nosie To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 5:10 PM It seems like I have a clicking or ratcheting noise coming from my magazine drive motor on my Rockola 460. It only happens at two areas on the magazine and they seem like they are opposite or 180 degrees from each other. Any ideas? Is there any maintenance that should performed on the motor? Thanks, Rob _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Feb 17 16:39:59 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Feb 17 16:41:11 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Themed AMI G80 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <803132AD-556A-46A5-97E6-FCAC4B38C633@verizon.net> Hey...Kyle...are you calling me a Hack? Jackie On Feb 17, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > Jackie, instead of stapling through the existing backdrop, forever damaging it, find a way to hook it at the top, perhaps by simply folding the top edge of your new backdrop over or installing some snaps. > Get creative. Any hack can just staple something up. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Wed Feb 17 16:44:28 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Feb 17 16:45:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Noise from NSM Cosmic Burst amplifier (ESVI series) In-Reply-To: <4B7C8969.3000001@telus.net> References: <4B7C337F.60906@telus.net> <4B7C379E.8060903@west.net> <4B7C6BA4.7070702@telus.net> <4B7C8498.1050602@west.net> <4B7C8969.3000001@telus.net> Message-ID: <4B7C8D6C.6040201@west.net> On 2/17/10 4:27 PM, John Robertson wrote: > Hi Jay, > > Both channels, and volume has no affect on the level. > > It uses MOSFets for outputs, but I think the problem is further in - > however this amp behaves more like a switching power supply then an > analog audio amp and thus has more interesting problems! > > It sure is small for the rated power output @ something like > 200W/channel(!)...not sure if that is RMS or 'Peak' though. > > This is a job for my ESR meter kit (small advert) and I'll let folks > know what Ifind. Darn surface mount caps (grumble)... Yep, class D. I'm *very* familiar with that technology. Shameless plug: http://www.sixmoons.com/audioreviews/winsome/mouse.html http://winsome-labs.com/ It's possibly the output filter but hard to tell. No schematic makes it all the more fun. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Feb 17 18:25:30 2010 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Wed Feb 17 18:26:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17351211808840CE81B8BF9A34C462D5@p4> You know the more I read this, the more aggravated I get. So before I really run off at the mouth...I will say this.....Momma always told me, unless you have something nice to say, keep it to yourself. Or, at least say it with respect! Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:05 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 A Google search for "Seeburg tormat test" finds these simple instructions. http://www.flippers.com/Seeburg-trblshoot.html Maybe it seems complicated, but all you're doing is touching a battery to the Tormat's RCA plug for a second to energize all the memory torids to see if the mechanism will pick up (and you need a wire or alligator clip to do it because you have to touch one of each of the two ends of the battery to each of the two contacts on the RCA plug). It's that simple. Try to energize the Tormat, scan mech in normal mode. If nothing, try energizing the Tormat again only with battery reversed. Scan mech in normal mode. The battery is simply used to energize the all of torids (selections) on the Tormat memory unit to see if you can get the mechanism to find and play them. It's just that simple. If nothing, then you have a read out problem (not reading remembered selections). The battery essentially wrote IN all the selections. You should probably buy the control center rebuild kit and just rebuild it, but if two of you couldn't figure out the battery test, which takes all of 10-15 seconds to do, I don't know how we can help you remotely. The Totmat battery test is Seeburg 100 level stuff that anyone working on them should know. I'm scanning a diagram for you and will post it within the hour. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 01:35:00 From JHayes2613 at aol.com Wed Feb 17 18:30:32 2010 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Wed Feb 17 18:31:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 In-Reply-To: <17351211808840CE81B8BF9A34C462D5@p4> References: <17351211808840CE81B8BF9A34C462D5@p4> Message-ID: <4BBF04CC-5288-4D0A-9BDD-90C9ED6819C9@aol.com> It's typical west coast attitude, and coming from a queen in San Francisco. Water off a duck's back, as far as I'm concerned. Learn what you can and shrug off the sarcasm. Ron Rich has more or less written me off as a moron. It happens. On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:25 PM, SSG Rich Myers wrote: > You know the more I read this, the more aggravated I get. So before I > really run off at the mouth...I will say this.....Momma always told > me, > unless you have something nice to say, keep it to yourself. Or, at > least > say it with respect! > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of > Mechanical > Music of S.F. > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:05 PM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 > > > > A Google search for "Seeburg tormat test" finds these simple > instructions. > http://www.flippers.com/Seeburg-trblshoot.html > > Maybe it seems complicated, but all you're doing is touching a > battery to > the Tormat's RCA plug for a second to energize all the memory torids > to see > if the mechanism will pick up > (and you need a wire or alligator clip to do it because you have to > touch > one of each of the two ends of the battery to each of the two > contacts on > the RCA plug). > It's that simple. > Try to energize the Tormat, scan mech in normal mode. If nothing, try > energizing the Tormat again only with battery reversed. Scan mech in > normal > mode. > > The battery is simply used to energize the all of torids > (selections) on the > Tormat memory unit to see if you can get the mechanism to find and > play > them. It's just that simple. > > If nothing, then you have a read out problem (not reading remembered > selections). > The battery essentially wrote IN all the selections. > > You should probably buy the control center rebuild kit and just > rebuild it, > but if two of you couldn't figure out the battery test, which takes > all of > 10-15 seconds to do, I don't know how we can help you remotely. The > Totmat > battery test is Seeburg 100 level stuff that anyone working on them > should > know. > > I'm scanning a diagram for you and will post it within the hour. > > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/____________________________ > ___________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: > 02/17/10 > 01:35:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From JHayes2613 at aol.com Wed Feb 17 18:46:39 2010 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Wed Feb 17 18:47:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] This was NOT meant to be posted on the newsgroup and my sincerest apologies to everyone. References: <4BBF04CC-5288-4D0A-9BDD-90C9ED6819C9@aol.com> Message-ID: <0804DF10-4747-4501-83D1-C779B4CE40DB@aol.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: John Hayes > Date: February 17, 2010 8:30:32 PM CST > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 > > It's typical west coast attitude, and coming from a queen in San > Francisco. Water off a duck's back, as far as I'm concerned. Learn > what you can and shrug off the sarcasm. > > Ron Rich has more or less written me off as a moron. It happens. > > > On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:25 PM, SSG Rich Myers wrote: > >> You know the more I read this, the more aggravated I get. So >> before I >> really run off at the mouth...I will say this.....Momma always told >> me, >> unless you have something nice to say, keep it to yourself. Or, at >> least >> say it with respect! >> >> Rich >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of >> Mechanical >> Music of S.F. >> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:05 PM >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 >> >> >> >> A Google search for "Seeburg tormat test" finds these simple >> instructions. >> http://www.flippers.com/Seeburg-trblshoot.html >> >> Maybe it seems complicated, but all you're doing is touching a >> battery to >> the Tormat's RCA plug for a second to energize all the memory >> torids to see >> if the mechanism will pick up >> (and you need a wire or alligator clip to do it because you have to >> touch >> one of each of the two ends of the battery to each of the two >> contacts on >> the RCA plug). >> It's that simple. >> Try to energize the Tormat, scan mech in normal mode. If nothing, >> try >> energizing the Tormat again only with battery reversed. Scan mech >> in normal >> mode. >> >> The battery is simply used to energize the all of torids >> (selections) on the >> Tormat memory unit to see if you can get the mechanism to find and >> play >> them. It's just that simple. >> >> If nothing, then you have a read out problem (not reading remembered >> selections). >> The battery essentially wrote IN all the selections. >> >> You should probably buy the control center rebuild kit and just >> rebuild it, >> but if two of you couldn't figure out the battery test, which takes >> all of >> 10-15 seconds to do, I don't know how we can help you remotely. >> The Totmat >> battery test is Seeburg 100 level stuff that anyone working on them >> should >> know. >> >> I'm scanning a diagram for you and will post it within the hour. >> >> >> Kyle ~ >> Mechanical Music of San Francisco >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/____________________________ >> ___________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: >> 02/17/10 >> 01:35:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Feb 17 18:53:39 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Feb 17 18:57:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Message-ID: <20100217.215339.24028.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: At the risk of offending someone (not intentionally) I suggest that you take some time to read the SCC manuall to get an understanding of how the tormat system operates----it's not that difficult. After that, one of the techs here will be in a better position to guide you through the tests. It's easy to damage or break something expensive otherwise. In my earlier email, I'm sorry I messed up on the timeline for your SS160 juke, the mech does spin @ 33 RPM--the autospeed chassis boosts the speed to 45 when a large-hole record is loaded. Along the same lines, there's a tech named Mike Zuccaro that made a training video. (I think VG sells it) Howto navigate your way through a Seeburg tormat system and the tests that need to be made to verify operation of it's components. Learning the tormat system is an acquired skill. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Feb 17 19:20:33 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Feb 17 19:21:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160. Thanks for the call. No problem. Message-ID: OK, I'm late for a meeting, but not so late I can't chime in. No harm done. I run a very busy forum and we have a standing rule to read everything as if it's said by a friend. Works like a charm. There's little to no inflection in written words, so easy to misread them. I can totally understand your reaction, but keeping in mind, no malicious intent meant, all I was saying is that it's going to be nearly impossible to direct you through repairs at this level if you're not familiar enough with the machines - or didn't think to do a Google search. The greatness of the list is that you can pick up a little here and there in the discussions, and the Tormat test has been discussed again and again. John, you seem to struggle with the logic sequence of what should happen next in the jukeboxes. I'm no electrician, but 15 jukeboxes have passed through my possession, all arrived broken, and left working, and dozens of others I've left after a house call working. Only one I walked away from because it was too far away and needed too much work. It's because I've learned to identify what's supposed to happen next (therefore, what's not working) and if it doesn't come naturally, then you are going to have to resolve yourself to some rebuilding. You're not alone. There's a certain amount of frustration for us watching you struggle, too. It's obvious your love for the jukeboxes is a little bigger than your aptitude for them, which must frustrate you greatly. While I may have nudged you about that specific issue, the battery test, notice I supplied simplified instructions and a diagram? That's because I, we all, want you to succeed. OK, all that said, I thought your private message was HILARIOUS! We've all be frustrated and I've been called worse. My best friends call me WAY worse. It'd make your ears bleed to hear it. Thanks for the phone call - no harm done. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Feb 17 19:26:20 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Feb 17 19:27:21 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Message-ID: Just when I said I'd posed the battery test diagram earlier, I looked and don't see it. Here it is again. Now go test that thing! Be sure when you scan the mechanism to put the service switch back in "play." Nothing? Reverse battery and do the test again. If it scans and it picks up selections, the read out is working. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Tormattest.jpg?t=1266463329 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ From jeffzurn at cox.net Wed Feb 17 19:27:04 2010 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Wed Feb 17 19:28:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160. Thanks for the call. No problem. References: Message-ID: <002101cab04a$3db94160$7cd24109@IBMCamargo> Cheers to you, Kyle! This thread could have gotten real ugly, and I appreciate the effort that went into keeping it from happening. On this day of all days, THANK YOU all for avoiding the obvious temptation. Shalom Jeff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." To: Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:20 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160. Thanks for the call. No problem. OK, I'm late for a meeting, but not so late I can't chime in. No harm done.[...] From JHayes2613 at aol.com Wed Feb 17 19:42:26 2010 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Wed Feb 17 19:43:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160. Thanks for the call. No problem. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not that this excuses anything, but I thought I was talking one-on-one with Rich when I wrote that. My sincerest thanks for your understanding and graciousness. You've helped me in the past and deserve better than this from me. And, yes, my love for jukeboxes far exceeds my aptitude, but there you go. On Feb 17, 2010, at 9:20 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > > OK, all that said, I thought your private message was HILARIOUS! > We've all be frustrated and I've been called worse. My best friends > call me WAY worse. It'd make your ears bleed to hear it. > > Thanks for the phone call - no harm done. From organlists at pacbell.net Wed Feb 17 19:43:27 2010 From: organlists at pacbell.net (D R) Date: Wed Feb 17 19:44:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY versus Wurlitzer 2810 sound quality In-Reply-To: <407069.85764.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <407069.85764.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <743920.79437.qm@smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A lot of the sound also has to do with the cabinetry, "the box" actual cubic footage of the enclosure, density of the wood etc. You can put an average loudspeaker component in a enclosure which is solidly built and you will have a impressive sounding speaker cabinet. At 08:15 AM 2/17/2010, you wrote: >On my AY: With me changing out three different cartridges and >needles and not getting different results, the only culprits are the >speakers or amp. > Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. Svc. Co. http://www.hammondorganservice.com Carillon Web Ring http://g.webring.com/hub?ring=thecarillonwebri Organ Builders and Dealers Web Ring http://u.webring.com/hub?ring=organbuildersand From JHayes2613 at aol.com Wed Feb 17 19:44:24 2010 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Wed Feb 17 19:45:31 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160. Thanks for the call. No problem. In-Reply-To: <002101cab04a$3db94160$7cd24109@IBMCamargo> References: <002101cab04a$3db94160$7cd24109@IBMCamargo> Message-ID: <3133F4ED-0D8F-4BB2-B286-DEA81FD1EDF4@aol.com> This was NOT my most shining moment, I'll give you that. On Feb 17, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Jeff Zurn wrote: > Cheers to you, Kyle! > > This thread could have gotten real ugly, and I appreciate the effort > that went into keeping it from happening. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Feb 17 19:57:33 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Feb 17 19:58:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <440935.64833.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle, You don't need an alligator lip to do the battery trick--just ground one end of the battery to bare metal and touch the tip of the RCA plug to the other end of the battery--ends depend on which model electronics are used-- Also you do NOT "write in" all selections doing this--you are going through the readout loop and "flipping" torrid states. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 12:04 PM A Google search for "Seeburg tormat test" finds these simple instructions. http://www.flippers.com/Seeburg-trblshoot.html Maybe it seems complicated, but all you're doing is touching a battery to the Tormat's RCA plug for a second to energize all the memory torids to see if the mechanism will pick up (and you need a wire or alligator clip to do it because you have to touch one of each of the two ends of the battery to each of the two contacts on the RCA plug). It's that simple.? Try to energize the Tormat, scan mech in normal mode.? If nothing, try energizing the Tormat again only with battery reversed. Scan mech in normal mode. The battery is simply used to energize the all of torids (selections) on the Tormat memory unit to see if you can get the mechanism to find and play them. It's just that simple. If nothing, then you have a read out problem (not reading remembered selections). The battery essentially wrote IN all the selections. You should probably buy the control center rebuild kit and just rebuild it, but if two of you couldn't figure out the battery test, which takes all of 10-15 seconds to do, I don't know how we can help you remotely.? The Totmat battery test is Seeburg 100 level stuff that anyone working on them should know. I'm scanning a diagram for you and will post it within the hour. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Feb 17 20:03:54 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Feb 17 20:04:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 In-Reply-To: <8CC7E34E2DC9685-2414-2C60@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <193803.49037.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Code What ?? --- On Wed, 2/17/10, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 2:08 PM That's what mine says... TYPE SCC3. -----Original Message----- From: SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2010 10:48 am Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Ron, I failed to take notes regarding the unit model.? I looked up the part in the SS160 parts manual and believe this one is original to the juke.? It is listed as the Solid State Control Center, Type SCC3 I will defer to John for verification. Maybe he can check the actual unit when he has a chance to pull and look at it. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 Rich, What unit/ code are you looking at?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 8:22 PM Was over at John Hayes house this evening looking at his SS160 scan twice and not select issue.? I know he has received some great advice as to initial troubleshooting steps and we did remove the mech and pricing plugs from the control unit.? Sprayed them with Deoxit and scrubbed with toothbrush...didn't work.? It was also suggested we do some testing with a pair of alligator clips and a battery to test the tormat write in.I think. We didn't have complete instruction to do that so skipped it. We failed to check for the large metal cap in the autospeed unit.? My initial thoughts is it is original and has not been rebuilt.? I did notice the two large Mallory caps located in? the middle of the Control Unit look like they were leaking.? There was some corrosion around the + connection to both caps.? Captain Obvious question follows....could this be the source of the problem?? They are rated at 1200 MFD/35v and 300MFD/50v? I assume they are electrolytic since there is a +/- pole?? Can someone recommend a good replacement.? Do the values need to match exactly? Thanks. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2689 - Release Date: 02/17/10 01:35:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From JHayes2613 at aol.com Wed Feb 17 20:09:01 2010 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Wed Feb 17 20:10:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 In-Reply-To: <193803.49037.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <193803.49037.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D4BEF68-5BAC-4F6C-83C0-7D2F405B1566@aol.com> Hi, Ron- Code A. On Feb 17, 2010, at 10:03 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Code What ?? From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Feb 17 20:16:09 2010 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Feb 17 20:17:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox References: <405943.45051.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101cab051$1939ac10$48944e18@compaq> I would like to thank Norman Macrae and David Mc Crary for the emails of the pages I needed. Thanks. Ron, I am telling you now first hand that the autoformer in the wallbox stinks when it smokes. So, I did some circuit tests tonight. Bad news for me. I am measuring 120vac at the wallbox plug at the selection receiver. I rechecked to make sure that the fuse that was installed was the correct one and it was. I checked voltage on another juke and measured 29vac. Schematic says 25vac. I guess 29vac is fine because it runs my other wallboxes fine. Problem is I don't know what happened first. Here is my theory. I think the transformer in the selection receiver shorted to a lower than 25vac voltage ( wallbox lights dimmed ) then, shorted high 120vac ( super bright wallbox lights) then the autoformer shorted with the over voltage and then the fuse opened because of the shorted autoformer. All the bulbs burnt out as well. Everything else shorted, why save the bulbs? Agree or disagree on my theory? Here is another theory. All electrical components are built with a calibrated amount of smoke in them. They are good untill someone lets the smoke out. Electrical components cannot be refilled with new smoke. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox Joey, That is an autoformer--and they STINK when they let go--so I'm told. You have a short,or leak to ground, somewhere in the lamp circuit--not including the "select" lamp. Follow the yellow wires around the unit--you don't need the schemo--find the short on one of the 5 sockets, fix it, and install a new autoformer. ( I have some in stock--contact me off list if you wish). BTW--the 3.2A fuse in the WSR is a "fire protection" fuse for the wires in the wall, and the transformer on the WSR --does not protect the 3W-1. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 5:03 PM Not sure about the reciever yet. I didn't bring home my multimeter from work. The transformer in the wallbox decided to let out all its smoke. I think it was mad a me and let out all the smoke and then some. The manual pages I need are not very legible in my manual. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox Joey, Did the transformer in the WSR burn up, or the autoformer in the 3W-1? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 2:06 PM I am trying to diagnose an electrical short in a Seeburg 3W1 wallbox. It was working fine and then I went to use it and the select light would not light. The coin droped fine and all the lights flickered as the coin switch was triggered. Then, the wallbox transformer smoked and the fuse opened on the selection receiver. The fuse should have opened before smoking the transformer. It is the correct fuse, I checked the rating. I wonder if because it is a slo-blo type that the transformer heated enough to smoke before the fuse opened? At this point, I cannot read the schematics in my manual clearly to diagnose this problem. Does someone have pages 12049 12050 of an original manual that they could scan and email to me? Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Feb 17 23:58:44 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Feb 17 23:59:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 In-Reply-To: <4D4BEF68-5BAC-4F6C-83C0-7D2F405B1566@aol.com> Message-ID: <909484.64379.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> OK--there are a handfull of "mods" needed for that unit, to be reliable--If you want a list of them, or you? want me to rebuild it, contact me off list-- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 2/17/10, John Hayes wrote: From: John Hayes Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 8:09 PM Hi, Ron- Code A. On Feb 17, 2010, at 10:03 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Code What ?? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From stamann at jukebox-world.de Thu Feb 18 01:37:19 2010 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Thu Feb 18 01:40:27 2010 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems (Manual mystery solved). Message-ID: Good Morning everybody, The original 1464 we have is not a supplement. It is the same style manual like the others before. This is the table of content: 1. Installation Manual - #32281 2. Instruction Manual - #32280 - Phonograph Cycle of Operation - Removal of Selector Unit - Turntable Height and Centering - Tone Arm Adjustments - Carriage Assembly Adjustments - Description of Operatoion - Accumulator Assembly - Schematic Diagram of Selection System - Block Diagram Amplifier - Sequences of Operation 3. Parts List - #32282 4. large schematic - #32238 Of course 1464 is similar to 1458 - but the selection cycle is different. 1458 has three programm and 40 number buttons with a drum for the titlestrips devided in three sections. http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Rock-Ola/R.O.1458.htm 1464 has six program and 20 number buttons and regular title holders. It is Rock-Ola's first wall mount model. http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Rock-Ola/R.O.1464.htm Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Mechanical Music of S.F. Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Februar 2010 08:33 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: [Jukebox-list] 1464 Rockola Problems (Manual mystery solved). Manual: Looks like a tough one to find. Why? You have a wall mount, a specialty item. BUT... There were 4 models in 1958; the other one with 120 selections was the model 1458. These jukeboxes are almost certainly identical mechanically and electrically. They obviously published a supplement containing the specific cabinet parts for the 1464 since it was a wall mount. That's what you have and why it seems incomplete. You can find a 1458 manual at all the usual places, eBay, etc. In a similar occurrence, the 1971 Seeburg USC-2 only has a supplement manual outlining the cosmetic parts differences between it and the 1970 USC-1. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Feb 18 04:37:27 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Feb 18 04:38:44 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160. Thanks for the call. No problem. In-Reply-To: <002101cab04a$3db94160$7cd24109@IBMCamargo> References: <002101cab04a$3db94160$7cd24109@IBMCamargo> Message-ID: Kyle, you are a man of integrity, something that is becoming a lost personal attribute, that's why I love you and this Jukebox Forum would not progress with out you, Thank you for all you do for all of us, Jackie On Feb 17, 2010, at 10:27 PM, Jeff Zurn wrote: > Cheers to you, Kyle! > > This thread could have gotten real ugly, and I appreciate the effort that went into keeping it from happening. > > On this day of all days, THANK YOU all for avoiding the obvious temptation. > > Shalom > > Jeff. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:20 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160. Thanks for the call. No problem. > > > > OK, I'm late for a meeting, but not so late I can't chime in. > No harm done.[...] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 18 07:34:41 2010 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Thu Feb 18 07:35:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg Trashcan front door animation unit. Message-ID: <260664.69611.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That was me, Kyle. >From the pix it appears to only be the color cylinder 'cage'. I don't see a motor. Once I have my Trashcan back together and heal my bank account I'm considering buying a dome animation kit from V.G. and adapting it to work in the lower door. That is if I cannot find a complete door animation unit at the Chicago Show in April. Thanks for thinking about this and reporting the auction. Bob, Chicago >Wasn't someone looking for this as a replacement or upgrade (or wondering if they even existed)? >Here's the item and chance to get it - they're not growing on trees! > >eBay item # 390156920688 > >Kyle ~ >Mechanical Music of San Francisco From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 08:23:25 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 18 08:24:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O "Jewel" Message-ID: <165101.73931.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All Someone wanted a "Jewel" for a 1426, or 1428 cabinet the other day, and for some reason, I can't find the post---anyway--I am sitting here having a "Jewel" stare at me ( much like the "GEICO eyes")--whom ever it was that wanted it--I think this is the correct one--contact me off list !!?? Ron Rich?? ronnnrich@yahoo.com From pinball at telus.net Thu Feb 18 08:48:32 2010 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Feb 18 08:49:39 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 In-Reply-To: <909484.64379.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <909484.64379.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B7D6F60.5040101@telus.net> Ron Rich wrote: > OK--there are a handfull of "mods" needed for that unit, to be reliable--If you want a list of them, or you want me to rebuild it, contact me off list-- Ron Rich > Hi Ron, If you have that in a readable format send it to me and I'll add it to the seeburg tech section on flippers... John :-#)# > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, John Hayes wrote: > > From: John Hayes > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 8:09 PM > > Hi, Ron- > Code A. > > > On Feb 17, 2010, at 10:03 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > > >> Code What ?? >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 09:13:54 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 18 09:15:01 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox In-Reply-To: <003101cab051$1939ac10$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: <492387.75474.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Joey, Which came first--the chicken or the egg ? Judging from what you saw and wrote ( I have never been "lucky" enough to see this happen! )--and just guessing--I would suspect that one of the lamp sockets or wires shorted out first--or the autoformer shorted first--causing the dimming. Next the autoformer passed the "25 volts" directly to the lamps--brite-burnout. The 3.2 amp fuse in the WSR should have (IMHO) protected the transformer in the WSR--but it did not-- I think that Seeburg knew that there was a problem there, as I have seen some WSR's with a paper sticker on them saying something like "use no larger then a 3.0 fuse". However they did not put that sticker on later units, and silked screened "3.2 amp" on later equipment ? BTW--30 VAC is not too high for that circuit--anything from 24-30 should be OK-- I doubt that "120" ever reached the 3W1-- As for your smoke theory--I wrote a "thingy" on that several years ago, and I think that you read it-- will re-send it to the list in a few minutes-- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 wallbox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 8:16 PM I would like to thank Norman Macrae and David Mc Crary for the emails of the pages I needed. Thanks. Ron, I am telling you now first hand that the autoformer in the wallbox stinks when it smokes. So, I did some circuit tests tonight. Bad news for me. I am measuring 120vac at the wallbox plug at the selection receiver.? I rechecked to make sure that the fuse that was installed was the correct one and it was. I checked voltage on another juke and measured 29vac. Schematic says 25vac. I guess 29vac is fine because it runs my other wallboxes fine. Problem is I don't know what happened first. Here is my theory.? I think the transformer in the selection receiver shorted to a lower than 25vac voltage ( wallbox lights dimmed ) then, shorted high 120vac ( super bright wallbox lights) then the autoformer shorted with the over voltage and then the fuse opened because of the shorted autoformer.? All the bulbs burnt out as well.? Everything else shorted, why save the bulbs? Agree or disagree on my theory? Here is another theory.? All electrical components are built with a calibrated amount of smoke in them.? They are good untill someone lets the smoke out.? Electrical components cannot be refilled with new smoke. Joey McDonald From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 09:15:42 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 18 09:16:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fwd: Smoke test Message-ID: <191281.43717.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/6/07, Ronn Rich wrote: Subject: Fwd: Smoke test Date: Monday, August 6, 2007, 2:32 PM >? ? ? ? I have a new theory on how "Electrick Stuff" >? works. This theory was called to my attention by > the >? teller at my local bank. I'm not sure what prompted >? our conversation, but she mentioned her idea that > all >? "Electrick Stuff" works on the fact that when these >? components "smoke" they are no longer any good. I > then >? remembered that many components are made in a room >? where the air is tightly controlled. I explained to >? her that the air was clean so that no "dirt" could >? contaminate the product. We? then went on to > speculate >? as to how the smoke would get into the products. It >? was my theory that just the right amount of >? "smoke" must be introduced into the product at the >? time it was? put into the heater for final > assembly, >? after all, everything I can think of is heated to > one >? degree or another. No ! , you say ? How about caps, >? you say. Yes ! I say. All caps have heat shrink on >? them---or a hot poured mylar--or how 'bout the > "paper" >? style--no heat here, you say. O.K., but they had to >? press the ends together--that's gotta cause some > heat, >? and, besides, those were made in the old days when >? they used a fireplace to heat the room. Maybe they >? blew just the correct amount of smoke into those >? things--how else would they be able to control the >? amount of microfarad's they put into them? > >? ? ? ? Anyway all this discussion lead to the "smoke >? test" discussion. Somehow I began to explain >? that some people in my business would occasionally > put >? an over sized fuse in a circuit, and apply power, > in >? the effort to find the problem in that circuit. She >? asked "whats that ? I asked "what's what"? She said >? "over sized fuse"? I said "any fuse that is larger >? then the circuit is designed to have". She said > "--it >? won't fit if it's too big". I said "no, I mean >? electrically too large". She contended that if the >? fuse would fit into the holder, it MUST be the > right size. > >? ? ? Fortunately for me, another customer entered >? the bank about this time, and even more > fortunately, >? he stepped up behind me. I said "good by" and left > the >? bank, as fast as I could. > >? ? ? ? But, I have been thinking' this whole weekend >? about that conversation--and you know, the more I >? think about it, the "righter" it seems! The "smoke >? test" is sure based on this theory!? I mean, why > else >? would this test work? There must be some smoke > inside >? of every electronic component!? I can't think of > one >? type of component that I have not seen in a > "burned" >? condition. And I think that "Murphy's Law" may also >? apply here. Why else would it work fine in the shop >? (with the big fuse in it), and then "smoke" when > the >? customer gets it (with the big fuse in it that you >? forgot to change )? > >? ? ? ? This all leads to this conclusion (bet you > are >? glad to see that, after having read this far!). > >???ALL "LETRICK STUFF" OPERATES ON SMOKE.? ONCE YOU >? LET THE SMOKE ESCAPE, THE "STUFF" (or whatever you >? want to call it) AIN'T NO MORE GOOD !!! > >? ? >???Ron Rich > >? ??? >? ??? > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 09:19:30 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 18 09:20:37 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 In-Reply-To: <4B7D6F60.5040101@telus.net> Message-ID: <59585.47758.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> No--I don't have it --gotta go write it--will do so later, when I have a chance-- --- On Thu, 2/18/10, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 8:48 AM Ron Rich wrote: > OK--there are a handfull of "mods" needed for that unit, to be reliable--If you want a list of them, or you? want me to rebuild it, contact me off list-- Ron Rich >??? Hi Ron, If you have that in a readable format send it to me and I'll add it to the seeburg tech section on flippers... John :-#)# > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, John Hayes wrote: > > From: John Hayes > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] John Hayes SS160 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 8:09 PM > > Hi, Ron- > Code A. > > > On Feb 17, 2010, at 10:03 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > >??? >> Code What ?? >>? ??? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > >? ? ??? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >??? -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Feb 18 10:28:41 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Feb 18 10:30:03 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI Message-ID: <84FADA9C-B2E7-40D2-8A42-77AB21FD26F3@verizon.net> hi, just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of original posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my choice, it's a original 1974 Poster from Scotland. The colors are soft, it shows the progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group and to me, it sums up the Beatles! I had several original St. Pepper Cut-outs and I used one of them for the Turntable Disk...I think it looks fantastic and I can't wait to get everything together. Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the cabinet....it is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits snuggly behind the wire covers....a snap to remove! This is way too much fun and I have spent a few days making my decisions....now I gotta get to work!! Jackie http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4 From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Thu Feb 18 10:33:22 2010 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Thu Feb 18 10:34:35 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fwd: Smoke test References: <191281.43717.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <413A39DCAE94435497859C994D93E339@ownerbob1> I'd expand on that and add that all jukeboxes are built to be "nicotine resistant" given the amount I'v cleaned off the insides of the pair of mine. Bob. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fwd: Smoke test --- On Mon, 8/6/07, Ronn Rich wrote: Subject: Fwd: Smoke test Date: Monday, August 6, 2007, 2:32 PM > I have a new theory on how "Electrick Stuff" > works. This theory was called to my attention by > the > teller at my local bank. I'm not sure what prompted > our conversation, but she mentioned her idea that > all > "Electrick Stuff" works on the fact that when these > components "smoke" they are no longer any good. I > then > remembered that many components are made in a room > where the air is tightly controlled. I explained to > her that the air was clean so that no "dirt" could > contaminate the product. We then went on to > speculate > as to how the smoke would get into the products. It > was my theory that just the right amount of > "smoke" must be introduced into the product at the > time it was put into the heater for final > assembly, > after all, everything I can think of is heated to > one > degree or another. No ! , you say ? How about caps, > you say. Yes ! I say. All caps have heat shrink on > them---or a hot poured mylar--or how 'bout the > "paper" > style--no heat here, you say. O.K., but they had to > press the ends together--that's gotta cause some > heat, > and, besides, those were made in the old days when > they used a fireplace to heat the room. Maybe they > blew just the correct amount of smoke into those > things--how else would they be able to control the > amount of microfarad's they put into them? > > Anyway all this discussion lead to the "smoke > test" discussion. Somehow I began to explain > that some people in my business would occasionally > put > an over sized fuse in a circuit, and apply power, > in > the effort to find the problem in that circuit. She > asked "whats that ? I asked "what's what"? She said > "over sized fuse"? I said "any fuse that is larger > then the circuit is designed to have". She said > "--it > won't fit if it's too big". I said "no, I mean > electrically too large". She contended that if the > fuse would fit into the holder, it MUST be the > right size. > > Fortunately for me, another customer entered > the bank about this time, and even more > fortunately, > he stepped up behind me. I said "good by" and left > the > bank, as fast as I could. > > But, I have been thinking' this whole weekend > about that conversation--and you know, the more I > think about it, the "righter" it seems! The "smoke > test" is sure based on this theory! I mean, why > else > would this test work? There must be some smoke > inside > of every electronic component! I can't think of > one > type of component that I have not seen in a > "burned" > condition. And I think that "Murphy's Law" may also > apply here. Why else would it work fine in the shop > (with the big fuse in it), and then "smoke" when > the > customer gets it (with the big fuse in it that you > forgot to change )? > > This all leads to this conclusion (bet you > are > glad to see that, after having read this far!). > > ALL "LETRICK STUFF" OPERATES ON SMOKE. ONCE YOU > LET THE SMOKE ESCAPE, THE "STUFF" (or whatever you > want to call it) AIN'T NO MORE GOOD !!! > > > Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 11:34:21 2010 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Thu Feb 18 11:35:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B vs Seeburg R Fuse Message-ID: <903595.48186.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I have been playing with my Seeburg B Hideaway and now the Seeburg R. The B uses a 2 amp slo Blo fuse in the the pinbank coil circuit. The R uses a 1 amp slo blow fuse. I became aware of this difference because the R opens the fuse after a number of random plays. I suppose the change was made to offer additional protection to the pinbank coils or perhaps some changes in the circuitry. Would I be correct? TIA! David (Geritol Ghetto) From pat2355 at aol.com Thu Feb 18 12:17:32 2010 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 18 12:18:52 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Blinded by rainbows Rolling Stones on 45rpm OFF TOPIC In-Reply-To: <903595.48186.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <903595.48186.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC7EEE89048915-45D0-10@webmail-d069.sysops.aol.com> Hello, I've bought jukebox 45 rpm records from operators over the years and I've never seen a copy of this record- Blinded by Rainbows- by the Rolling Stones. It was on the Voodoo Lounge CD and played in the Replacements movie with Reeves/Hackman. If you have a copy PLEASE either contact me off list or put it on ebay, so I have a shot. Thanks PAT From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Feb 18 12:32:14 2010 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Feb 18 12:33:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI In-Reply-To: <84FADA9C-B2E7-40D2-8A42-77AB21FD26F3@verizon.net> References: <84FADA9C-B2E7-40D2-8A42-77AB21FD26F3@verizon.net> Message-ID: Amazing job Jackie! You certainly are creative. Are the records going to be only Beatle 45's ? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Elgie Sent: 2010, February, 18 1:29 PM To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI hi, just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of original posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my choice, it's a original 1974 Poster from Scotland. The colors are soft, it shows the progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group and to me, it sums up the Beatles! I had several original St. Pepper Cut-outs and I used one of them for the Turntable Disk...I think it looks fantastic and I can't wait to get everything together. Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the cabinet....it is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits snuggly behind the wire covers....a snap to remove! This is way too much fun and I have spent a few days making my decisions....now I gotta get to work!! Jackie http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4_____ __________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. L?exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s?y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu?il contient par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m?en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Feb 18 12:55:52 2010 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Thu Feb 18 12:56:59 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI In-Reply-To: <84FADA9C-B2E7-40D2-8A42-77AB21FD26F3@verizon.net> References: <84FADA9C-B2E7-40D2-8A42-77AB21FD26F3@verizon.net> Message-ID: Jackie, I can only offer one word: WOW! When you get that cabinet back to shape with the veneer and paint, it's going to be one of the best looking G-80s out there. You should be really proud. Aaron On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > hi, > just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of original > posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my choice, it's a > original 1974 Poster from Scotland. The colors are soft, it shows the > progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group and to me, it sums up > the Beatles! I had several original St. Pepper Cut-outs and I used one of > them for the Turntable Disk...I think it looks fantastic and I can't wait to > get everything together. > > Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the cabinet....it > is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits snuggly behind the > wire covers....a snap to remove! This is way too much fun and I have spent > a few days making my decisions....now I gotta get to work!! > Jackie > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Feb 18 13:01:01 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Feb 18 13:02:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Blinded by Rainbows Rolling Stones on 45rpm OFF TOPIC Message-ID: The easiest way to see if it's been available as a 45: Check Gemm (all records site), eBay, and do a Google search for a Rolling Stones singles discography. Some fan has no doubt compiled one. It may not have been issued as a single. For example, the immensely popular "In My Life" by the Beatles was never issued as a single, despite it's continued popularity. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From ccos at knology.net Thu Feb 18 13:24:51 2010 From: ccos at knology.net (Columbus Coin-Op Shop) Date: Thu Feb 18 13:26:12 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting Message-ID: <000001cab0e0$cf2c4bb0$6d84e310$@net> Ok Guys, I know, I know.....but I am reading the manual and am still stumped..hehehe. I have checked, and rechecked the M contacts and still I have no sound unless I unplug the muting plug. I know this has to be simple but I'm standing here scratching my head...LOL. Also, I see Victory Glass has the gold plastic rivets used to install the gold surround (forget what it's called) behind the mech...do I need any special tool to install those rivets? TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 From m.desimone at rogers.com Thu Feb 18 13:46:41 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (mauro desimone) Date: Thu Feb 18 13:47:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting In-Reply-To: <000001cab0e0$cf2c4bb0$6d84e310$@net> Message-ID: <803335.89652.qm@web88104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Check the resitance on the three pins in the mute plug, there sould not be a short to the ground pin.? I'm sorry I don't have my manual with me so I don't remember which pin. It's possible the wires are grounding out somewhere in the harness or the plug, Hope this helps, ? Mauro --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: From: Columbus Coin-Op Shop Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting To: "Jukebox List " Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 4:24 PM Ok Guys, I know, I know.....but I am reading the manual and am still stumped..hehehe. I have checked, and rechecked the M contacts and still I have no sound unless I unplug the muting plug. I know this has to be simple but I'm standing here scratching my head...LOL. Also, I see Victory Glass has the gold plastic rivets used to install the gold surround (forget what it's called) behind the mech...do I need any special tool to install those rivets? TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Feb 18 13:48:59 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Feb 18 13:50:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting Message-ID: No expert here, but this is where I'd go with this Pull the mute plug and trace the wires to their terminals and test for continuity. There could be a broken wire in the cable. Helps if you can pull that plug through the back door and get it close yo the mechanism so you can see the colors and make your meter connections. Verify if the M contact is supposed to be open or closed. It could also be shorted closer to the mounting point or broken at the base (sometimes not obvious), or something in that tight space may be touching it (such as the solder tab from an adjoining switch). Just places to look, but it's a start. It'll be something simple. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From bobe at halted.com Thu Feb 18 13:44:33 2010 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Thu Feb 18 14:04:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting Message-ID: <2.2.32.20100218214433.009b3b50@hsces.com> At 04:24 PM 2/18/2010 -0500, you wrote: > >Also, I see Victory Glass has the gold plastic rivets used to install the >gold surround (forget what it's called) behind the mech...do I need any >special tool to install those rivets? You should be able to install the rivets with your fingers. There is a plastic plug that slides into them once they are mounted into the panels, you should be able to push that into place with something like a thimble, or the back of a spoon, or the like. Just don't use anything sharp (like a screwdriver) or you could dent, scratch, or punch through the anodized aluminum if you slip off! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Feb 18 14:10:28 2010 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Feb 18 14:11:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <723950.54683.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> What a beautiful and Tasteful JOB! WOW! You also picked the nicest sounding Jukes to do that to (in my opinion). If all the Beatles could see what you did there is no doubt in my mind they would be very proud! Regards, Tony (in Canada) --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Aaron H wrote: From: Aaron H Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 3:55 PM Jackie, I can only offer one word: WOW! When you get that cabinet back to shape with the veneer and paint, it's going to be one of the best looking G-80s out there. You should be really proud. Aaron On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > hi, > just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of original > posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my choice, it's a > original 1974 Poster from Scotland.? The colors are soft, it shows the > progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group and to me, it sums up > the Beatles!? I had several original St. Pepper Cut-outs and I used one of > them for the Turntable Disk...I think it looks fantastic and I can't wait to > get everything together. > > Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the cabinet....it > is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits snuggly behind the > wire covers....a snap to remove!? This is way too much fun and I have spent > a few days making my decisions....now I gotta get to work!! > Jackie > > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Feb 18 14:10:49 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Feb 18 14:11:57 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI In-Reply-To: References: <84FADA9C-B2E7-40D2-8A42-77AB21FD26F3@verizon.net> Message-ID: <576206AB-EB58-46B8-9E91-31EE6E3B3B55@verizon.net> Thanks so much, I am glad you like the Backdrop and yes, the 45's will all be Beatles! If this were my only Jukebox downstairs, I would probably not devote the entire Juke to the Beatles, however the 100C is in the same room so I can have a mix of music. Again, this is quickly restored to the Original Backdrop with the touch of a screwdriver and a a flip of the Platter. Aaron, I am very proud and I think with all your keen advice on the cabinet, it's going to be a Winner! Wait until you see my 3RD Backdrop!! It will be a surprise! Jackie On Feb 18, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Amazing job Jackie! You certainly are creative. > > Are the records going to be only Beatle 45's ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jackie > Elgie > Sent: 2010, February, 18 1:29 PM > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI > > hi, > just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of > original posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my > choice, it's a original 1974 Poster from Scotland. The colors are soft, > it shows the progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group and > to me, it sums up the Beatles! I had several original St. Pepper > Cut-outs and I used one of them for the Turntable Disk...I think it > looks fantastic and I can't wait to get everything together. > > Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the > cabinet....it is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits > snuggly behind the wire covers....a snap to remove! This is way too > much fun and I have spent a few days making my decisions....now I gotta > get to work!! > Jackie > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4_____ > __________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive > any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information > it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. > L?exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s?y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu?il contient > par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m?en aviser imm?diatement, > par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From m.desimone at rogers.com Thu Feb 18 14:05:08 2010 From: m.desimone at rogers.com (mauro desimone) Date: Thu Feb 18 14:12:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting In-Reply-To: <000001cab0e0$cf2c4bb0$6d84e310$@net> Message-ID: <223507.29104.qm@web88102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I already sent this message but not sure if it went through. ? Check the mute plug pins for continuity.? There could be a short to ground in the harness or in the plug itself. Mkes sense if it only happens when you put the mute plug in. ? Mauro ? --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: From: Columbus Coin-Op Shop Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting To: "Jukebox List " Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 4:24 PM Ok Guys, I know, I know.....but I am reading the manual and am still stumped..hehehe. I have checked, and rechecked the M contacts and still I have no sound unless I unplug the muting plug. I know this has to be simple but I'm standing here scratching my head...LOL. Also, I see Victory Glass has the gold plastic rivets used to install the gold surround (forget what it's called) behind the mech...do I need any special tool to install those rivets? TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Feb 18 14:20:49 2010 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Feb 18 14:24:19 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI Message-ID: <20100218.172049.6570.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Jackie: Great job with the graphics, poster and color blending on this one... Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Hotel Taking a trip? Click here to compare hotel rates and find a great deal. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=By3JS5TOgf8aa9ucB6bo6wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA= From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Feb 18 14:24:19 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Feb 18 14:25:28 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI In-Reply-To: <723950.54683.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <723950.54683.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ah, thanks Tony....if only John were still around, my favorite Jackie On Feb 18, 2010, at 5:10 PM, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > What a beautiful and Tasteful JOB! WOW! You also picked the nicest sounding Jukes to do that to (in my opinion). If all the Beatles could see what you did there is no doubt in my mind they would be very proud! > > Regards, Tony (in Canada) > > --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Aaron H wrote: > > From: Aaron H > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 3:55 PM > > Jackie, > I can only offer one word: WOW! > When you get that cabinet back to shape with the veneer and paint, it's > going to be one of the best looking G-80s out there. You should be really > proud. > Aaron > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> hi, >> just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of original >> posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my choice, it's a >> original 1974 Poster from Scotland. The colors are soft, it shows the >> progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group and to me, it sums up >> the Beatles! I had several original St. Pepper Cut-outs and I used one of >> them for the Turntable Disk...I think it looks fantastic and I can't wait to >> get everything together. >> >> Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the cabinet....it >> is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits snuggly behind the >> wire covers....a snap to remove! This is way too much fun and I have spent >> a few days making my decisions....now I gotta get to work!! >> Jackie >> >> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 16:07:34 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 18 16:08:36 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI In-Reply-To: <84FADA9C-B2E7-40D2-8A42-77AB21FD26F3@verizon.net> Message-ID: <599357.95694.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, I did not realize how ug-guly those guys had become--when I saw them in person--in Germany, they were nice clean cut guys in suits, with ties !!? I still like 99% of their music, however--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 10:28 AM hi, just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of original posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my choice, it's a original 1974 Poster from Scotland.? The colors are soft, it shows the progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group and to me, it sums up the Beatles!? I had several original St. Pepper Cut-outs and I used one of them for the Turntable Disk...I think it looks fantastic and I can't wait to get everything together. Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the cabinet....it is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits snuggly behind the wire covers....a snap to remove!? This is way too much fun and I have spent a few days making my decisions....now I gotta get to work!! Jackie http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 16:09:13 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 18 16:10:16 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fwd: Smoke test In-Reply-To: <413A39DCAE94435497859C994D93E339@ownerbob1> Message-ID: <401054.92451.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, you have cleaned no nicotine off any jukebox--what you may have removed is "tar"---Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Bob Ford wrote: From: Bob Ford Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fwd: Smoke test To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 10:33 AM I'd expand on that and add that all jukeboxes are built to be "nicotine resistant" given the amount I'v cleaned off the insides of the pair of mine. Bob. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fwd: Smoke test --- On Mon, 8/6/07, Ronn Rich wrote: Subject: Fwd: Smoke test Date: Monday, August 6, 2007, 2:32 PM > I have a new theory on how "Electrick Stuff" > works. This theory was called to my attention by > the > teller at my local bank. I'm not sure what prompted > our conversation, but she mentioned her idea that > all > "Electrick Stuff" works on the fact that when these > components "smoke" they are no longer any good. I > then > remembered that many components are made in a room > where the air is tightly controlled. I explained to > her that the air was clean so that no "dirt" could > contaminate the product. We then went on to > speculate > as to how the smoke would get into the products. It > was my theory that just the right amount of > "smoke" must be introduced into the product at the > time it was put into the heater for final > assembly, > after all, everything I can think of is heated to > one > degree or another. No ! , you say ? How about caps, > you say. Yes ! I say. All caps have heat shrink on > them---or a hot poured mylar--or how 'bout the > "paper" > style--no heat here, you say. O.K., but they had to > press the ends together--that's gotta cause some > heat, > and, besides, those were made in the old days when > they used a fireplace to heat the room. Maybe they > blew just the correct amount of smoke into those > things--how else would they be able to control the > amount of microfarad's they put into them? > > Anyway all this discussion lead to the "smoke > test" discussion. Somehow I began to explain > that some people in my business would occasionally > put > an over sized fuse in a circuit, and apply power, > in > the effort to find the problem in that circuit. She > asked "whats that ? I asked "what's what"? She said > "over sized fuse"? I said "any fuse that is larger > then the circuit is designed to have". She said > "--it > won't fit if it's too big". I said "no, I mean > electrically too large". She contended that if the > fuse would fit into the holder, it MUST be the > right size. > > Fortunately for me, another customer entered > the bank about this time, and even more > fortunately, > he stepped up behind me. I said "good by" and left > the > bank, as fast as I could. > > But, I have been thinking' this whole weekend > about that conversation--and you know, the more I > think about it, the "righter" it seems! The "smoke > test" is sure based on this theory! I mean, why > else > would this test work? There must be some smoke > inside > of every electronic component! I can't think of > one > type of component that I have not seen in a > "burned" > condition. And I think that "Murphy's Law" may also > apply here. Why else would it work fine in the shop > (with the big fuse in it), and then "smoke" when > the > customer gets it (with the big fuse in it that you > forgot to change )? > > This all leads to this conclusion (bet you > are > glad to see that, after having read this far!). > > ALL "LETRICK STUFF" OPERATES ON SMOKE. ONCE YOU > LET THE SMOKE ESCAPE, THE "STUFF" (or whatever you > want to call it) AIN'T NO MORE GOOD !!! > > > Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Feb 18 16:13:19 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Feb 18 16:14:25 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI In-Reply-To: <20100218.172049.6570.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100218.172049.6570.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Many Thanks, Jim! This is the perfect Jukebox to experiment with, the large background area is a great canvas! Jackie On Feb 18, 2010, at 5:20 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > > Jackie: > > Great job with the graphics, poster and color blending on this one... > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Hotel > Taking a trip? Click here to compare hotel rates and find a great deal. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=By3JS5TOgf8aa9ucB6bo6wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Feb 18 16:15:58 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Feb 18 16:17:20 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI In-Reply-To: <599357.95694.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <599357.95694.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, you are so lucky to have seen them....my sister saw them in CA on their first trip to the US....she saved every bit of her memorabilia ...scraps of paper and she swears that Paul threw her a comb! Jackie On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jackie, > I did not realize how ug-guly those guys had become--when I saw them in person--in Germany, they were nice clean cut guys in suits, with ties !! I still like 99% of their music, however--Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 10:28 AM > > hi, > just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of original posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my choice, it's a original 1974 Poster from Scotland. The colors are soft, it shows the progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group and to me, it sums up the Beatles! I had several original St. Pepper Cut-outs and I used one of them for the Turntable Disk...I think it looks fantastic and I can't wait to get everything together. > > Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the cabinet....it is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits snuggly behind the wire covers....a snap to remove! This is way too much fun and I have spent a few days making my decisions....now I gotta get to work!! > Jackie > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Thu Feb 18 16:21:00 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Feb 18 16:22:04 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Semi-OT DuMont TV RA-105 from 1949 Message-ID: <4B7DD96C.4070809@west.net> Well, it does have a record changer in it, 33/78 RPM. If you thought Seeburg 222 amplifiers were fun to recap, you ain't seen nothing! AM/FM/phono, clear bright picture, 12-inch speaker driven by a pair of 6V6s. 15-inch round picture tube with rectangular window in front. http://www.west.net/~jay/images/tv-1.jpg http://www.west.net/~jay/images/tv-2.jpg I was watching the Olympics last night. Cellphone photos don't do it justice. Will post more later. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Feb 18 16:26:53 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Feb 18 16:28:09 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Semi-OT DuMont TV RA-105 from 1949 In-Reply-To: <4B7DD96C.4070809@west.net> References: <4B7DD96C.4070809@west.net> Message-ID: <83D72BEB-350D-47C2-B69D-4343A2E25869@verizon.net> Jay....that is fantastic!!! Wow, that reminds me of being a kid....a very young baby, of course..... Jackie On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Well, it does have a record changer in it, 33/78 RPM. > > If you thought Seeburg 222 amplifiers were fun to recap, you ain't seen > nothing! > > AM/FM/phono, clear bright picture, 12-inch speaker driven by a pair of > 6V6s. 15-inch round picture tube with rectangular window in front. > > http://www.west.net/~jay/images/tv-1.jpg > http://www.west.net/~jay/images/tv-2.jpg > > I was watching the Olympics last night. Cellphone photos don't do it > justice. Will post more later. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 16:29:46 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 18 16:30:49 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B vs Seeburg R Fuse In-Reply-To: <903595.48186.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <125121.91376.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, I use? a 1.6 in all of them--the only difference, that I have found? is the contact setting instructions. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/18/10, david wendell wrote: From: david wendell Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B vs Seeburg R Fuse To: "jukebox list" Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 11:34 AM Hi All, I have been playing with my Seeburg B Hideaway and now the Seeburg R.? The B uses a 2 amp slo Blo fuse in the the pinbank coil circuit.? The R uses a 1 amp slo blow fuse.? I became aware of this difference because the R opens the fuse after a number of random plays. I suppose the change was made to offer additional protection to the pinbank coils or perhaps some changes in the circuitry.? Would I be correct?? TIA! David (Geritol Ghetto) ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 16:44:51 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 18 16:45:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting In-Reply-To: <000001cab0e0$cf2c4bb0$6d84e310$@net> Message-ID: <92228.81990.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Karl, If it's the green colored audio wire, they were known to develop internal shorts--check the plug end --then dis-connect from the contacts on mech--use a meter--? A strong thumb is all you need--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: From: Columbus Coin-Op Shop Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting To: "Jukebox List " Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 1:24 PM Ok Guys, I know, I know.....but I am reading the manual and am still stumped..hehehe. I have checked, and rechecked the M contacts and still I have no sound unless I unplug the muting plug. I know this has to be simple but I'm standing here scratching my head...LOL. Also, I see Victory Glass has the gold plastic rivets used to install the gold surround (forget what it's called) behind the mech...do I need any special tool to install those rivets? TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jeremy at dwave.net Thu Feb 18 18:44:02 2010 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Thu Feb 18 18:45:04 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI In-Reply-To: References: <20100218.172049.6570.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20100219024251.M63617@dwave.net> Jackie, I just checked out the photos and my first reaction is "WOW"! Great poster to use Jeremy Agema On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:13:19 -0500, Jackie Elgie wrote > Many Thanks, Jim! ?This is the perfect Jukebox to experiment with, the large background area is a great canvas! > Jackie > > On Feb 18, 2010, at 5:20 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jackie: > > > > Great job with the graphics, poster and color blending on this one... > > > > Jim Alexander > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Hotel > > Taking a trip? ?Click here to compare hotel rates and find a great deal. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=By3JS5TOgf8aa9ucB6bo6wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA= > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ccos at knology.net Thu Feb 18 19:09:33 2010 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Thu Feb 18 19:10:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting In-Reply-To: <92228.81990.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <92228.81990.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ron, and all who responded. I'll check those things tomorrow and report my progress. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Rich To: ccos@knology.net ; Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting Karl, If it's the green colored audio wire, they were known to develop internal shorts--check the plug end --then dis-connect from the contacts on mech--use a meter-- A strong thumb is all you need--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: From: Columbus Coin-Op Shop Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting To: "Jukebox List " Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 1:24 PM Ok Guys, I know, I know.....but I am reading the manual and am still stumped..hehehe. I have checked, and rechecked the M contacts and still I have no sound unless I unplug the muting plug. I know this has to be simple but I'm standing here scratching my head...LOL. Also, I see Victory Glass has the gold plastic rivets used to install the gold surround (forget what it's called) behind the mech...do I need any special tool to install those rivets? TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 19:33:30 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Feb 18 19:34:30 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Semi-OT DuMont TV RA-105 from 1949 In-Reply-To: <4B7DD96C.4070809@west.net> Message-ID: <823444.57422.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Jay Hennigan wrote: > I was watching the Olympics last night. Cellphone > photos don't do it > justice. Will post more later. Allen DuMont was an early proponent of HDTV. Back when RCA was pushing its compatible color program, but before they'd come up with a way to compress the signal to fit the 6 MHz TV channels assigned by the FCC, DuMont proposed that the US should expand the channels as RCA wanted, but establish an 850-line service, and worry about adding color to it later. This was around 1950. Of course, within a few years, RCA had solved the multiplexing problem and Hazeltine Labs had helped them produce a tremendously advanced all-analogue chroma compression process that was really ahead of its time by a decade - which is one reason color TV didn't really catch on until the mid-1960s - you really had to be an "early adopter" hobbyist to put up with the hassle of it in the 1950s. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 19:43:49 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Feb 18 19:44:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <790903.10052.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Karl,You better make it a good report too? !!!---? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/18/10, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 7:09 PM Thanks Ron, and all who responded. I'll check those things tomorrow and report my progress. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: Ron Rich ? To: ccos@knology.net ; Jukebox mailing list ? Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:44 PM ? Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting ? ? ? ? Karl, ? ? ? ? If it's the green colored audio wire, they were known to develop internal shorts--check the plug end --then dis-connect from the contacts on mech--use a meter--? ? ? ? ? A strong thumb is all you need--Ron Rich ? ? ? ? --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: ? ? ? ? ? From: Columbus Coin-Op Shop ? ? ? ? ? Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting ? ? ? ? ? To: "Jukebox List " ? ? ? ? ? Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 1:24 PM ? ? ? ? ? Ok Guys, ? ? ? ? ? I know, I know.....but I am reading the manual and am still stumped..hehehe. ? ? ? ? ? I have checked, and rechecked the M contacts and still I have no sound ? ? ? ? ? unless I unplug the muting plug. I know this has to be simple but I'm ? ? ? ? ? standing here scratching my head...LOL. ? ? ? ? ? Also, I see Victory Glass has the gold plastic rivets used to install the ? ? ? ? ? gold surround (forget what it's called) behind the mech...do I need any ? ? ? ? ? special tool to install those rivets? ? ? ? ? ? TIA, ? ? ? ? ? Karl ? ? ? ? ? Columbus Coin-Op Shop ? ? ? ? ? www.columbuscoinopshop.com ? ? ? ? ? 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd ? ? ? ? ? STE 18 ? ? ? ? ? Columbus, GA 31903 ? ? ? ? ? Shop: 706-507-2963 ? ? ? ? ? Cell: 706-442-4263 ? ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? ? ? ? ? Jukebox-list mailing list ? ? ? ? ? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ? ? ? ? ? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? ? ? Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ? ? ??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Thu Feb 18 20:01:21 2010 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Feb 18 20:02:27 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Semi-OT DuMont TV RA-105 from 1949 In-Reply-To: <823444.57422.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <823444.57422.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B7E0D11.30003@west.net> On 2/18/10 7:33 PM, David Breneman wrote: > Allen DuMont was an early proponent of HDTV. Back when RCA > was pushing its compatible color program, but before they'd > come up with a way to compress the signal to fit the 6 MHz > TV channels assigned by the FCC, DuMont proposed that the > US should expand the channels as RCA wanted, but establish > an 850-line service, and worry about adding color to it > later. This was around 1950. This TV is really pretty amazing, especially considering when it was made. DC restoration, many fine adjustments for size, linearity, etc. Very beefy power supply, separate audio IF strip. Nice crisp picture either on analog cable or with an antenna and converter box. The tuner is made by Mallory, continuous from 48 to 216 MHz so it gets a number of the mid-band cable channels. Green tuning-eye. It has a separate chassis for AM tuner, three-section capacitor with RF amplifier. Built like a tank. There is evidence of some prior repair but with good workmanship. This TV set was obviously not made with the idea of cutting costs or planned obsolescence. I lucked out in that the picture tube is quite strong. Most of the vacuum tubes were good. It's been stored for about 45 years, was put away when they got an RCA roundie color set in the mid 1960s. I need to pull the chassis and hit the controls with DeOxIt. I haven't tackled the record changer yet. It spins and cycles, loud hum from the cartridge, hopefully just a broken shield. The Sams Photofact is for the TV as a standalone so it doesn't cover the record changer or AM tuner in the console, nor the auxiliary push-pull amplifier for the big speaker. The pickup doesn't appear to be a turnover type so I haven't figured out how they switched from 3-mil to 1-mil styli. > Of course, within a few years, RCA had solved the > multiplexing problem and Hazeltine Labs had helped them > produce a tremendously advanced all-analogue chroma > compression process that was really ahead of its time > by a decade - which is one reason color TV didn't really > catch on until the mid-1960s - you really had to be an > "early adopter" hobbyist to put up with the hassle of > it in the 1950s. The competing GE field-sequential color was a real mechanical nightmare. I hesitate to think where we would be if it had caught on. It would have been a natural for projection sets with three tubes and mirrors and lenses much like the analog big-screens of a decade ago. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 20:27:00 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Feb 18 20:28:00 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Semi-OT DuMont TV RA-105 from 1949 In-Reply-To: <4B7E0D11.30003@west.net> Message-ID: <951200.98266.qm@web112107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Jay Hennigan wrote: > The competing GE field-sequential color was a real > mechanical nightmare. > I hesitate to think where we would be if it had caught > on. It would > have been a natural for projection sets with three tubes > and mirrors and > lenses much like the analog big-screens of a decade ago. That was the CBS system. CBS first pushed it before the war, when the NTSC-1 committee set the US atandard of 525 lines, negative polarity and FM sound. When RCA's 45 made a mess of CBS's 33 campaign to replace the 78, they trotted it back out to "get even". (William Paley had some friends at the FCC at the time.) But, like RCA's color system at the time, it required more than the standard 6 MHz channel to produce anything like an NTSC picture. So they reduced the number of lines from 525 to 405, to accommodate an increase from 60 fields per second to 144 to reduce color ghosting on fast moving images. This still didn't prevent color ghosting (as you can see from Apollo and Skylab video that used a similar field-sequential system). People who buy in to the "Virtuous Farmsworth" vs. "Evil Sarnoff" story of television development in the 1920s and 1930s frequently talk about a similar "Virtuous Goldmark" vs. "Evil Sarnoff" story of color television. But the fact remains that the CBS system, despite its promise by the standards of the 1930s, had, by the 1950s, become a kludge. (Apologies in advance for any typos - It's been a long day.) Here's a great resuorce on the history of color TV: http://www.novia.net/~ereitan/ My only fear is that Mr. Reitan, who has been promising a ladnmark book on the subject, may not live to bring his project to fruition. There have been rumors for several years that he is in declining health. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 20:32:50 2010 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Feb 18 20:33:50 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Blinded by Rainbows Rolling Stones on 45rpm OFF TOPIC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <849847.140.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > For example, the immensely popular "In My Life" by the > Beatles was never issued as a single, despite it's continued > popularity. And I'd give anything for a copy of "Papa Gene's Blues" by the Monkees. It's from their first album, written by Mike Nesmith, and it's one of the most rocking songs they did. As far as I can tell, it was never released as a single. "Play, magic fingers!" From organlists at pacbell.net Thu Feb 18 21:00:58 2010 From: organlists at pacbell.net (D R) Date: Thu Feb 18 21:02:02 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Semi-OT DuMont TV RA-105 from 1949 In-Reply-To: <823444.57422.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4B7DD96C.4070809@west.net> <823444.57422.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <341199.11067.qm@smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com> NTSC Never The Same Color ;) At 07:33 PM 2/18/2010, you wrote: >Of course, within a few years, RCA had solved the >multiplexing problem and Hazeltine Labs had helped them >produce a tremendously advanced all-analogue chroma >compression process that was really ahead of its time >by a decade - which is one reason color TV didn't really >catch on until the mid-1960s - you really had to be an >"early adopter" hobbyist to put up with the hassle of >it in the 1950s. Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. Svc. Co. http://www.hammondorganservice.com Carillon Web Ring http://g.webring.com/hub?ring=thecarillonwebri Organ Builders and Dealers Web Ring http://u.webring.com/hub?ring=organbuildersand From chisler at jps.net Thu Feb 18 21:10:35 2010 From: chisler at jps.net (Daniel Chisler) Date: Thu Feb 18 21:07:43 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1442 Rockola Message-ID: <4B7E1D4B.9050500@jps.net> Okay who out there either has or know who has a pretty compleate one ? Looking for a picture of the front blue ridged patterned plastic florescent light shade it mounts on the front swing out button door and when that is closed it goes down and rests on the front blue and marbled white mech plastics. I only have about a 2" by 1/2" peice of one . It is not listed in the parts book and there is no picture of it there either . I have seem many 1442 but never one with that part .would love to see one so I can proceed on makeing one or at least have a picture to show when searching for a real one . Can any one help on this mistyc part ? Many thanks in advance for any help or leads Dan Chisler out. From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 19 00:31:12 2010 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (chris tanner) Date: Fri Feb 19 00:32:26 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI References: <84FADA9C-B2E7-40D2-8A42-77AB21FD26F3@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hi Jackie. hope you don't mind me butting in on this one. A couple of years ago I decided to try and fill my AMI 200 with Beatle records, I already had all of the UK 45's and knew that I needed to find more to fill the jukebox. A little research informed me that there were some other Beatle songs released in the USA so I started to collect them, usually from Ebay sales. This still left over half the jukebox unfilled. I therefore decided that it would be ok if I could add ep's which played at 45 rpm as long as at least one song was new and unreleased on US or UK 45 single. There are about 12 such records available in the UK which usually contain album tracks so in they went. I found from my Ebay search that many different ep's were released in Mexico so again these were collected. One problem was that a couple of these Mexican records turned out to play at 33 rpm so were unsuitable for this jukebox but a nice thing to have. All in all this left around 20 spaces left after my world search for Beatle songs on 45. I found a company in the UK called Vinyl Carvers who could make a 45 rpm record from and cd or audio tape source. I made a cd of all my favourite album tracks which are not available and they made me the records. One full Beatle jukebox. If you decide to go down this road I could point you in the right direction for sourcing the UK releases and what's available. Good luck. Chris UK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:32 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI > Amazing job Jackie! You certainly are creative. > > Are the records going to be only Beatle 45's ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jackie > Elgie > Sent: 2010, February, 18 1:29 PM > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI > > hi, > just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of > original posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my > choice, it's a original 1974 Poster from Scotland. The colors are soft, > it shows the progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group and > to me, it sums up the Beatles! I had several original St. Pepper > Cut-outs and I used one of them for the Turntable Disk...I think it > looks fantastic and I can't wait to get everything together. > > Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the > cabinet....it is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits > snuggly behind the wire covers....a snap to remove! This is way too > much fun and I have spent a few days making my decisions....now I gotta > get to work!! > Jackie > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4_____ > __________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not > waive > any related rights and obligations. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.406 / Virus Database: 271.14.151/2695 - Release Date: 2/18/2010 7:34 AM From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 19 03:26:37 2010 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Fri Feb 19 03:27:48 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B vs Seeburg R Fuse In-Reply-To: <125121.91376.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <594126.94119.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, Thanks Again! I'll go through the "R" contacts again just in case I missed something but I think the 1.6 fuse will do the trick. What a valuable thing your many years of experience and knowledge is. Thanks very much! DAvid (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B vs Seeburg R Fuse > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 5:29 PM > David, > I use? a 1.6 in all of them--the only difference, that I > have found? is the contact setting instructions. > Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 2/18/10, david wendell > wrote: > > From: david wendell > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B vs Seeburg R Fuse > To: "jukebox list" > Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 11:34 AM > > Hi All, > > I have been playing with my Seeburg B Hideaway and now the > Seeburg R.? The B uses a 2 amp slo Blo fuse in the the > pinbank coil circuit.? The R uses a 1 amp slo blow fuse.? > I became aware of this difference because the R opens the > fuse after a number of random plays. > > I suppose the change was made to offer additional > protection to the pinbank coils or perhaps some changes in > the circuitry.? Would I be correct?? TIA! > > David (Geritol Ghetto) > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Feb 19 04:47:32 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Feb 19 04:48:46 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI In-Reply-To: References: <84FADA9C-B2E7-40D2-8A42-77AB21FD26F3@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8637B5E9-BF5B-4751-95C3-AE4C6CE39138@verizon.net> Hi Chris, thanks so much for that information....I may need it at some point. I guess I am lucky to be filling only an 80 select rather than a 200! I was a little short, even finding the 40 records (short by 5) so I picked out my favorite "Paul & Wings", 2 of my favorite Lennon and one Ringo.....that makes 40, although I am sure in my heaps of 45's that need to be filed, there are other Beatles 45's just waiting for me in my own home, lol I love the idea of having certain songs that were not released as 45's in the Jukebox as well, was this expensive to do? Also, did they put a label on the 45 and if so, what did they use? Jackie On Feb 19, 2010, at 3:31 AM, chris tanner wrote: > Hi Jackie. > hope you don't mind me butting in on this one. > A couple of years ago I decided to try and fill my AMI 200 with Beatle records, I already had all of the UK 45's and knew that I needed to find more to fill the jukebox. A little research informed me that there were some other Beatle songs released in the USA so I started to collect them, usually from Ebay sales. This still left over half the jukebox unfilled. I therefore decided that it would be ok if I could add ep's which played at 45 rpm as long as at least one song was new and unreleased on US or UK 45 single. There are about 12 such records available in the UK which usually contain album tracks so in they went. I found from my Ebay search that many different ep's were released in Mexico so again these were collected. One problem was that a couple of these Mexican records turned out to play at 33 rpm so were unsuitable for this jukebox but a nice thing to have. > All in all this left around 20 spaces left after my world search for Beatle songs on 45. I found a company in the UK called Vinyl Carvers who could make a 45 rpm record from and cd or audio tape source. I made a cd of all my favourite album tracks which are not available and they made me the records. > One full Beatle jukebox. > If you decide to go down this road I could point you in the right direction for sourcing the UK releases and what's available. > Good luck. > Chris > UK. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:32 PM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI > > >> Amazing job Jackie! You certainly are creative. >> >> Are the records going to be only Beatle 45's ? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jackie >> Elgie >> Sent: 2010, February, 18 1:29 PM >> To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI >> >> hi, >> just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of >> original posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my >> choice, it's a original 1974 Poster from Scotland. The colors are soft, >> it shows the progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group and >> to me, it sums up the Beatles! I had several original St. Pepper >> Cut-outs and I used one of them for the Turntable Disk...I think it >> looks fantastic and I can't wait to get everything together. >> >> Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the >> cabinet....it is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits >> snuggly behind the wire covers....a snap to remove! This is way too >> much fun and I have spent a few days making my decisions....now I gotta >> get to work!! >> Jackie >> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4_____ >> __________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive >> any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information >> it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. >> If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. >> >> Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. >> L?exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s?y rapportent. >> Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu?il contient >> par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. >> Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m?en aviser imm?diatement, >> par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.406 / Virus Database: 271.14.151/2695 - Release Date: 2/18/2010 7:34 AM > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 19 05:42:57 2010 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (chris tanner) Date: Fri Feb 19 05:44:05 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI References: <84FADA9C-B2E7-40D2-8A42-77AB21FD26F3@verizon.net> <8637B5E9-BF5B-4751-95C3-AE4C6CE39138@verizon.net> Message-ID: <57B9F7BBF2374709AA345162FB8A3A80@chris545b2a181> Hi Jackie, The records were ?20 plus postage for a two sided disc. They only put a white label on them. The records are very good quality and thicker than usual. Did you know that The Magical Mystery Tour was available in the UK on two 7" records? The Parlophone UK pressings were just black but as you will know the US Capitol records had a nice "Swirl" label on them which looks quite good going round on a jukebox. I have all of side two of Abbey Road on 7" singles which is quite something to play on a jukebox. If you need anything just ask. Regards Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Elgie" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI Hi Chris, thanks so much for that information....I may need it at some point. I guess I am lucky to be filling only an 80 select rather than a 200! I was a little short, even finding the 40 records (short by 5) so I picked out my favorite "Paul & Wings", 2 of my favorite Lennon and one Ringo.....that makes 40, although I am sure in my heaps of 45's that need to be filed, there are other Beatles 45's just waiting for me in my own home, lol I love the idea of having certain songs that were not released as 45's in the Jukebox as well, was this expensive to do? Also, did they put a label on the 45 and if so, what did they use? Jackie On Feb 19, 2010, at 3:31 AM, chris tanner wrote: > Hi Jackie. > hope you don't mind me butting in on this one. > A couple of years ago I decided to try and fill my AMI 200 with Beatle > records, I already had all of the UK 45's and knew that I needed to find > more to fill the jukebox. A little research informed me that there were > some other Beatle songs released in the USA so I started to collect them, > usually from Ebay sales. This still left over half the jukebox unfilled. I > therefore decided that it would be ok if I could add ep's which played at > 45 rpm as long as at least one song was new and unreleased on US or UK 45 > single. There are about 12 such records available in the UK which usually > contain album tracks so in they went. I found from my Ebay search that > many different ep's were released in Mexico so again these were collected. > One problem was that a couple of these Mexican records turned out to play > at 33 rpm so were unsuitable for this jukebox but a nice thing to have. > All in all this left around 20 spaces left after my world search for > Beatle songs on 45. I found a company in the UK called Vinyl Carvers who > could make a 45 rpm record from and cd or audio tape source. I made a cd > of all my favourite album tracks which are not available and they made me > the records. > One full Beatle jukebox. > If you decide to go down this road I could point you in the right > direction for sourcing the UK releases and what's available. > Good luck. > Chris > UK. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:32 PM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI > > >> Amazing job Jackie! You certainly are creative. >> >> Are the records going to be only Beatle 45's ? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jackie >> Elgie >> Sent: 2010, February, 18 1:29 PM >> To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI >> >> hi, >> just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of >> original posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my >> choice, it's a original 1974 Poster from Scotland. The colors are soft, >> it shows the progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group and >> to me, it sums up the Beatles! I had several original St. Pepper >> Cut-outs and I used one of them for the Turntable Disk...I think it >> looks fantastic and I can't wait to get everything together. >> >> Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the >> cabinet....it is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits >> snuggly behind the wire covers....a snap to remove! This is way too >> much fun and I have spent a few days making my decisions....now I gotta >> get to work!! >> Jackie >> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4_____ >> __________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does >> not waive >> any related rights and obligations. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.406 / Virus Database: 271.14.151/2697 - Release Date: 2/19/2010 7:34 AM From jacjon at talktalk.net Fri Feb 19 06:00:44 2010 From: jacjon at talktalk.net (jacjon@talktalk.net) Date: Fri Feb 19 06:01:55 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI In-Reply-To: <8637B5E9-BF5B-4751-95C3-AE4C6CE39138@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8CC7F830FD569B3-434-2391@FRR1-L26./f> ?Hi Jackie. Just another note from the UK.What a splendid job you have accomplished with your themed Beatles Juke. (You should go into interior design).Keep on blazing trails. Keep posting the photos.By the way,I should think you are aware that Capitol released a nice set of Beatles singles. (For Jukebox Only.) with some rarities,I.E.Norwegian wood etc.I have about half the set.purchased in the US.(EBAY) I have seen full sets for sale on EBAY-US.Most are coloured vinyl,really nice set. Anyway keep up the top work. Kind Regards. Jack. Manchester,UK. -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Elgie To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:47 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI Hi Chris, thanks so much for that information....I may need it at some point. I guess I am lucky to be filling only an 80 select rather than a 200! I was a little short, even finding the 40 records (short by 5) so I picked out my favorite "Paul & Wings", 2 of my favorite Lennon and one Ringo.....that makes 40, although I am sure in my heaps of 45's that need to be filed, there are other Beatles 45's just waiting for me in my own home, lol I love the idea of having certain songs that were not released as 45's in the Jukebox as well, was this expensive to do? Also, did they put a label on the 45 and if so, what did they use? Jackie On Feb 19, 2010, at 3:31 AM, chris tanner wrote: > Hi Jackie. > hope you don't mind me butting in on this one. > A couple of years ago I decided to try and fill my AMI 200 with Beatle records, I already had all of the UK 45's and knew that I needed to find more to fill the jukebox. A little research informed me that there were some other Beatle songs released in the USA so I started to collect them, usually from Ebay sales. This still left over half the jukebox unfilled. I therefore decided that it would be ok if I could add ep's which played at 45 rpm as long as at least one song was new and unreleased on US or UK 45 single. There are about 12 such records available in the UK which usually contain album tracks so in they went. I found from my Ebay search that many different ep's were released in Mexico so again these were collected. One problem was that a couple of these Mexican records turned out to play at 33 rpm so were unsuitable for this jukebox but a nice thing to have. > All in all this left around 20 spaces left after my world search for Beatle songs on 45. I found a company in the UK called Vinyl Carvers who could make a 45 rpm record from and cd or audio tape source. I made a cd of all my favourite album tracks which are not available and they made me the records. > One full Beatle jukebox. > If you decide to go down this road I could point you in the right direction for sourcing the UK releases and what's available. > Good luck. > Chris > UK. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:32 PM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI > > >> Amazing job Jackie! You certainly are creative. >> >> Are the records going to be only Beatle 45's ? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jackie >> Elgie >> Sent: 2010, February, 18 1:29 PM >> To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI >> >> hi, >> just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of >> original posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my >> choice, it's a original 1974 Poster from Scotland. The colors are soft, >> it shows the progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group and >> to me, it sums up the Beatles! I had several original St. Pepper >> Cut-outs and I used one of them for the Turntable Disk...I think it >> looks fantastic and I can't wait to get everything together. >> >> Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the >> cabinet....it is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits >> snuggly behind the wire covers....a snap to remove! This is way too >> much fun and I have spent a few days making my decisions....now I gotta >> get to work!! >> Jackie >> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4_____ >> __________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive >> any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information >> it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. >> If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. >> >> Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. >> L?exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s?y rapportent. >> Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu?il contient >> par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. >> Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m?en aviser imm?diatement, >> par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.406 / Virus Database: 271.14.151/2695 - Release Date: 2/18/2010 7:34 AM > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ccos at knology.net Fri Feb 19 06:18:01 2010 From: ccos at knology.net (Columbus Coin-Op Shop) Date: Fri Feb 19 06:19:24 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting In-Reply-To: <790903.10052.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <790903.10052.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201cab16e$580b87b0$08229710$@net> Ron, You is not gonna chek fer spellin an gramer is ya? Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:44 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting Karl,You better make it a good report too? !!!---? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/18/10, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 7:09 PM Thanks Ron, and all who responded. I'll check those things tomorrow and report my progress. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: Ron Rich ? To: ccos@knology.net ; Jukebox mailing list ? Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:44 PM ? Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting ? ? ? ? Karl, ? ? ? ? If it's the green colored audio wire, they were known to develop internal shorts--check the plug end --then dis-connect from the contacts on mech--use a meter--? ? ? ? ? A strong thumb is all you need--Ron Rich ? ? ? ? --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: ? ? ? ? ? From: Columbus Coin-Op Shop ? ? ? ? ? Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting ? ? ? ? ? To: "Jukebox List " ? ? ? ? ? Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 1:24 PM ? ? ? ? ? Ok Guys, ? ? ? ? ? I know, I know.....but I am reading the manual and am still stumped..hehehe. ? ? ? ? ? I have checked, and rechecked the M contacts and still I have no sound ? ? ? ? ? unless I unplug the muting plug. I know this has to be simple but I'm ? ? ? ? ? standing here scratching my head...LOL. ? ? ? ? ? Also, I see Victory Glass has the gold plastic rivets used to install the ? ? ? ? ? gold surround (forget what it's called) behind the mech...do I need any ? ? ? ? ? special tool to install those rivets? ? ? ? ? ? TIA, ? ? ? ? ? Karl ? ? ? ? ? Columbus Coin-Op Shop ? ? ? ? ? www.columbuscoinopshop.com ? ? ? ? ? 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd ? ? ? ? ? STE 18 ? ? ? ? ? Columbus, GA 31903 ? ? ? ? ? Shop: 706-507-2963 ? ? ? ? ? Cell: 706-442-4263 ? ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? ? ? ? ? Jukebox-list mailing list ? ? ? ? ? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ? ? ? ? ? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? ? ? Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ? ? ??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Fri Feb 19 06:56:36 2010 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Fri Feb 19 06:57:47 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI In-Reply-To: <84FADA9C-B2E7-40D2-8A42-77AB21FD26F3@verizon.net> References: <84FADA9C-B2E7-40D2-8A42-77AB21FD26F3@verizon.net> Message-ID: <972215.62954.qm@web86705.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Yes Jackie, it looks good. I wasn't sure what to expect of the poster from Scotland. And as Kyle nearly said - it's a pity "In My Life" is not available as a 45, because John wrote that about a place in Scotland (apparently)! Norman. ________________________________ From: Jackie Elgie To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thursday, 18 February, 2010 18:28:41 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI hi, just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of original posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my choice, it's a original 1974 Poster from Scotland. The colors are soft, it shows the progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group and to me, it sums up the Beatles! I had several original St. Pepper Cut-outs and I used one of them for the Turntable Disk...I think it looks fantastic and I can't wait to get everything together. Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the cabinet....it is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits snuggly behind the wire covers....a snap to remove! This is way too much fun and I have spent a few days making my decisions....now I gotta get to work!! Jackie http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Feb 19 08:14:21 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Feb 19 08:15:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Semi-OT DuMont TV RA-105 from 1949 In-Reply-To: <341199.11067.qm@smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <914345.40796.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> !!!?? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/18/10, D R wrote: From: D R Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Semi-OT DuMont TV RA-105 from 1949 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:00 PM NTSC Never The Same Color ;) At 07:33 PM 2/18/2010, you wrote: >Of course, within a few years, RCA had solved the >multiplexing problem and Hazeltine Labs had helped them >produce a tremendously advanced all-analogue chroma >compression process that was really ahead of its time >by a decade - which is one reason color TV didn't really >catch on until the mid-1960s - you really had to be an >"early adopter" hobbyist to put up with the hassle of >it in the 1950s. Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. Svc. Co. http://www.hammondorganservice.com Carillon Web Ring http://g.webring.com/hub?ring=thecarillonwebri Organ Builders and Dealers Web Ring http://u.webring.com/hub?ring=organbuildersand _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Feb 19 08:17:25 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Feb 19 08:18:33 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1442 Rockola In-Reply-To: <4B7E1D4B.9050500@jps.net> Message-ID: <942140.41505.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dan, Were you the guy looking for th front door "jewel" ?? Got on staring me in the face at this moment ( I think)--contact me "off list" if you want it--before I "loose it" again !!? Ron Rich ronnnrich@yahoo.com --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Daniel Chisler wrote: From: Daniel Chisler Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1442 Rockola To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:10 PM Okay who out there either has or know who has a pretty compleate one ? Looking for a picture of? the front blue ridged patterned plastic florescent? light shade it mounts on the front swing out button door and when that is closed? it goes down and rests on the front? blue and marbled white mech plastics. I only have about? a 2" by 1/2" peice of one . It is not listed in the parts book and there is no picture of it there either . I have seem many 1442 but never one with that part .would love to see one so I can proceed on makeing one or at least have a picture to show when searching for a real one . Can any one help on this mistyc part ? Many thanks in advance for any help or leads Dan Chisler out. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Feb 19 08:32:25 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Feb 19 08:33:34 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting In-Reply-To: <001201cab16e$580b87b0$08229710$@net> Message-ID: <687135.96954.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ubetcha ! --- On Fri, 2/19/10, Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: From: Columbus Coin-Op Shop Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:18 AM Ron, You is not gonna chek fer spellin an gramer is ya? Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:44 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting Karl,You better make it a good report too? !!!---? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 2/18/10, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 7:09 PM Thanks Ron, and all who responded. I'll check those things tomorrow and report my progress. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: Ron Rich ? To: ccos@knology.net ; Jukebox mailing list ? Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:44 PM ? Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting ? ? ? ? Karl, ? ? ? ? If it's the green colored audio wire, they were known to develop internal shorts--check the plug end --then dis-connect from the contacts on mech--use a meter--? ? ? ? ? A strong thumb is all you need--Ron Rich ? ? ? ? --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: ? ? ? ? ? From: Columbus Coin-Op Shop ? ? ? ? ? Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Muting ? ? ? ? ? To: "Jukebox List " ? ? ? ? ? Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 1:24 PM ? ? ? ? ? Ok Guys, ? ? ? ? ? I know, I know.....but I am reading the manual and am still stumped..hehehe. ? ? ? ? ? I have checked, and rechecked the M contacts and still I have no sound ? ? ? ? ? unless I unplug the muting plug. I know this has to be simple but I'm ? ? ? ? ? standing here scratching my head...LOL. ? ? ? ? ? Also, I see Victory Glass has the gold plastic rivets used to install the ? ? ? ? ? gold surround (forget what it's called) behind the mech...do I need any ? ? ? ? ? special tool to install those rivets? ? ? ? ? ? TIA, ? ? ? ? ? Karl ? ? ? ? ? Columbus Coin-Op Shop ? ? ? ? ? www.columbuscoinopshop.com ? ? ? ? ? 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd ? ? ? ? ? STE 18 ? ? ? ? ? Columbus, GA 31903 ? ? ? ? ? Shop: 706-507-2963 ? ? ? ? ? Cell: 706-442-4263 ? ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? ? ? ? ? Jukebox-list mailing list ? ? ? ? ? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ? ? ? ? ? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? ? ? Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ? ? ??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From lippert at frico-haus.de Fri Feb 19 07:00:10 2010 From: lippert at frico-haus.de (Lippert Frico-Haus ) Date: Fri Feb 19 08:47:07 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer stepper.... Message-ID: You have a stepper for Wurlitzer Modell 1900 ? Mail: lippert@frico-haus.de From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Feb 19 08:48:48 2010 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Feb 19 08:49:54 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer stepper.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <408269.57237.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> No-- --- On Fri, 2/19/10, Lippert Frico-Haus wrote: From: Lippert Frico-Haus Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer stepper.... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 7:00 AM You have a stepper for Wurlitzer Modell 1900 ? Mail: lippert@frico-haus.de _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Feb 19 11:59:34 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Feb 19 12:00:37 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Blinded by Rainbows Rolling Stones on 45rpm OFF TOPIC Message-ID: Hmm. I have a foreign pressing of "Papa Gene's Blues" and "Let's Dance On" in pretty good condition somewhere. I snatched it up several years ago at a thrift shop for a quarter. Sorry, not for sale! It goes into service every year or so here in my office. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Feb 19 12:39:01 2010 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Feb 19 12:40:06 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Blinded by Rainbows Rolling Stones on 45rpm OFF TOPIC Message-ID: Thanks to Pat for tracking down the one country that did in fact press The Beatles' "In My Life." I failed to find it in an eBay search a couple weeks ago and went ahead and bought it. Hopefully it's here in time for the upcoming show where my Seeburg AY is doing *live* duty on stage as a bar jukebox, circa 1960s. Thanks again, Pat! Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ From maddleso at gmu.edu Fri Feb 19 13:20:19 2010 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Fri Feb 19 13:21:29 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg R gold rivets Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 79, Issue 19 Message-ID: <6D924D4049B34A2A91E47FAD014C2006@Marksvaio> Karl The pins on the heads of the rivets are molded to the rivet with a very thin plastic web. They need to be pushed into the rivet to spread it, to hold the decorative sheets in place and you have to break the web to get them in. I have no idea what they used at the factory but I found it helpful to give them a bit of tap, with a small hammer. A short piece of 1/2 inch dowel (say 6 to 8 inches) is useful to start each one. It's quite soft and helps to control the 'blow'. You don't want to marr the finish or damage the aluminum. Regards Mark From jhayes2613 at aol.com Fri Feb 19 13:30:08 2010 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 19 13:31:32 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI In-Reply-To: <8637B5E9-BF5B-4751-95C3-AE4C6CE39138@verizon.net> References: <84FADA9C-B2E7-40D2-8A42-77AB21FD26F3@verizon.net> <8637B5E9-BF5B-4751-95C3-AE4C6CE39138@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8CC7FC1D819E2D9-8FF0-45F2@webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com> I dunno... if and when my '53 AMi gets completed it's going to be all music from the early '50s... lots and lots of RALPH FLANAGAN! -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Elgie To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Feb 19, 2010 6:47 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI Hi Chris, thanks so much for that information....I may need it at some point. I guess I am lucky to be filling only an 80 select rather than a 200! I was a little short, even finding the 40 records (short by 5) so I picked out my favorite "Paul & Wings", 2 of my favorite Lennon and one Ringo.....that makes 40, although I am sure in my heaps of 45's that need to be filed, there are other Beatles 45's just waiting for me in my own home, lol I love the idea of having certain songs that were not released as 45's in the Jukebox as well, was this expensive to do? Also, did they put a label on the 45 and if so, what did they use? Jackie On Feb 19, 2010, at 3:31 AM, chris tanner wrote: > Hi Jackie. > hope you don't mind me butting in on this one. > A couple of years ago I decided to try and fill my AMI 200 with Beatle records, I already had all of the UK 45's and knew that I needed to find more to fill the jukebox. A little research informed me that there were some other Beatle songs released in the USA so I started to collect them, usually from Ebay sales. This still left over half the jukebox unfilled. I therefore decided that it would be ok if I could add ep's which played at 45 rpm as long as at least one song was new and unreleased on US or UK 45 single. There are about 12 such records available in the UK which usually contain album tracks so in they went. I found from my Ebay search that many different ep's were released in Mexico so again these were collected. One problem was that a couple of these Mexican records turned out to play at 33 rpm so were unsuitable for this jukebox but a nice thing to have. > All in all this left around 20 spaces left after my world search for Beatle songs on 45. I found a company in the UK called Vinyl Carvers who could make a 45 rpm record from and cd or audio tape source. I made a cd of all my favourite album tracks which are not available and they made me the records. > One full Beatle jukebox. > If you decide to go down this road I could point you in the right direction for sourcing the UK releases and what's available. > Good luck. > Chris > UK. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:32 PM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI > > >> Amazing job Jackie! You certainly are creative. >> >> Are the records going to be only Beatle 45's ? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jackie >> Elgie >> Sent: 2010, February, 18 1:29 PM >> To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI >> >> hi, >> just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of >> original posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my >> choice, it's a original 1974 Poster from Scotland. The colors are soft, >> it shows the progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group and >> to me, it sums up the Beatles! I had several original St. Pepper >> Cut-outs and I used one of them for the Turntable Disk...I think it >> looks fantastic and I can't wait to get everything together. >> >> Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the >> cabinet....it is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits >> snuggly behind the wire covers....a snap to remove! This is way too >> much fun and I have spent a few days making my decisions....now I gotta >> get to work!! >> Jackie >> http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4_____ >> __________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive >> any related rights and obligations. 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They advertise occasionally in Always Jukin' magazine. I think they are in the New Orleans, LA area. The average cost to transfer two songs (one per side) to 45 RPM is about $40. If you'd like to buy more than one copy of your record, the cost reduces. I'll try to find their info for you if you're interested. The other important consideration if you're thinking of having a 45 RPM disc made of an album cut is to check the length of the song. On 45 you are limited to a maximum of about 5 minutes per side. Some of the Beatles' compositions were rather long songs. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=gVylJPWMn_zqQFu_e5EGIAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Feb 19 14:52:12 2010 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Feb 19 14:53:38 2010 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI In-Reply-To: <8CC7F830FD569B3-434-2391@FRR1-L26./f> References: <8CC7F830FD569B3-434-2391@FRR1-L26./f> Message-ID: Hi Jack, today is the first I have heard of the set of colored vinyl of the Beatles....I did look it up and they are really nice! Maybe after I finish with the Jukebox and it's current expenses, I will look into purchasing some, little at a time to replace what I have. My Goal.....Kyle!!.....is to get a pressing of "In My Life", that would be the ultimate to go along with the Poster. Thanks for the compliment on the AMI Theme, who knows, maybe when I grow up I will have a different career than the one I have right now! It's hard to imagine not Teaching and Playing the piano, for me it would be like ....not listening to my Jukeboxes again. I guess Music is just in my blood. I will continue to research the 45's, thanks for the tip! Jackie On Feb 19, 2010, at 9:00 AM, jacjon@talktalk.net wrote: > Hi Jackie. > Just another note from the UK.What a splendid job you have accomplished with your themed Beatles Juke. > (You should go into interior design).Keep on blazing trails. > Keep posting the photos.By the way,I should think you are aware that Capitol released a nice set of Beatles singles. > (For Jukebox Only.) with some rarities,I.E.Norwegian wood etc.I have about half the set.purchased in the US.(EBAY) > I have seen full sets for sale on EBAY-US.Most are coloured vinyl,really nice set. > Anyway keep up the top work. > Kind Regards. > Jack. > Manchester,UK. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jackie Elgie > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:47 > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI > > > Hi Chris, > thanks so much for that information....I may need it at some point. I guess I > am lucky to be filling only an 80 select rather than a 200! I was a little > short, even finding the 40 records (short by 5) so I picked out my favorite > "Paul & Wings", 2 of my favorite Lennon and one Ringo.....that makes 40, > although I am sure in my heaps of 45's that need to be filed, there are other > Beatles 45's just waiting for me in my own home, lol > I love the idea of having certain songs that were not released as 45's in the > Jukebox as well, was this expensive to do? Also, did they put a label on the > 45 and if so, what did they use? > Jackie > > > > On Feb 19, 2010, at 3:31 AM, chris tanner wrote: > >> Hi Jackie. >> hope you don't mind me butting in on this one. >> A couple of years ago I decided to try and fill my AMI 200 with > Beatle > records, I already had all of the UK 45's and knew that I needed to find more to > fill the jukebox. A little research informed me that there were some other > Beatle songs released in the USA so I started to collect them, usually from Ebay > sales. This still left over half the jukebox unfilled. I therefore decided that > it would be ok if I could add ep's which played at 45 rpm as long as at least > one song was new and unreleased on US or UK 45 single. There are about 12 such > records available in the UK which usually contain album tracks so in they went. > I found from my Ebay search that many different ep's were released in Mexico so > again these were collected. One problem was that a couple of these Mexican > records turned out to play at 33 rpm so were unsuitable for this jukebox but a > nice thing to have. >> All in all this left around 20 spaces left after my world search for > Beatle > songs on 45. I found a company in the UK called Vinyl Carvers who could make a > 45 rpm record from and cd or audio tape source. I made a cd of all my favourite > album tracks which are not available and they made me the records. >> One full Beatle jukebox. >> If you decide to go down this road I could point you in the right > direction > for sourcing the UK releases and what's available. >> Good luck. >> Chris >> UK. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" > >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:32 PM >> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI >> >> >>> Amazing job Jackie! You certainly are creative. >>> >>> Are the records going to be only Beatle 45's ? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >>> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jackie >>> Elgie >>> Sent: 2010, February, 18 1:29 PM >>> To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles Themed AMI >>> >>> hi, >>> just posted my pics of the Beatles Theme AMI G80....I had lots of >>> original posters to choose from and I put a lot of thought into my >>> choice, it's a original 1974 Poster from Scotland. The colors are > soft, >>> it shows the progression of the Men themselves, as well as a group > and >>> to me, it sums up the Beatles! I had several original St. Pepper >>> Cut-outs and I used one of them for the Turntable Disk...I think it >>> looks fantastic and I can't wait to get everything together. >>> >>> Kyle, I took your advice and did not staple anything to the >>> cabinet....it is mounted in a very heavy piece of cardboard and fits >>> snuggly behind the wire covers....a snap to remove! This is way too >>> much fun and I have spent a few days making my decisions....now I > gotta >>> get to work!! >>> Jackie > http://gallery.me.com/etreble7#100159&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=4_____ >>> __________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender > does not > waive >>> any related rights and obligations. 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