From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 1 06:39:46 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Tue Sep 1 06:41:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) In-Reply-To: <33754.98144.qm@web112107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <583810.95799.qm@web63208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Yup that's what I'm talking about.But it's real tough to find one in decent shape AND in working order.I never knew about that cheat trick though;interesting........hopefully I'll find one someday.... Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Sun, 8/30/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 12:16 PM --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Ken wrote: > Prolly would get > a soda & candy machine before that.I kinda like the > chest type soda machines better than the stand-up ones-take > up less space. Are you talking about the kind of pop machine in which you opened the top (like an ice chest), inserted a coin, then slid the bottle around through a rack until you could pull it up through a turnstyle type gate?? I don't think I've seen one of those at a paying location since I was 5 or 6 years old, and the memory sticks with me because it struck me as being so totally different from any other machine I'd ever seen -- and I was 6 years old in 1965! But as I remember, their footprint isn't any smaller than any other pop machine, until the advent of the "mega machines" that started appearing in the 1980s and are now very common. Didn't those chest type machines have their heyday in the 1930s? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Tue Sep 1 10:55:29 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Sep 1 10:57:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 - Several questions In-Reply-To: <609994.65693.qm@web46201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <609994.65693.qm@web46201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A9D6011.1030700@west.net> Christian Fischer wrote: > Hi everybody! > > I am getting in this hobby. I live in Japan, have a Wurlitzer 1900, 2300S and 5250 (wallbox) but really know very little about them - just fascinated with those amazing designs and the magic behind that music and lights! > > I was wondering if some of you could bring light to following (I guess) easy questions: > > - My W1900 has a golden tune arm that I believe to be incorrect - very likely from a newer model. I think it should be green as the "fan" record holder... Is my assumption right? And if yes, does somebody in the community have an original green one to sell? Yes, it should be teal blue/green. What kind of cartridge is in it? Does the "head" of the arm have flat sides or a bulge where the cartridge mounting screws can be seen? Original 1900 Wurlitzers used the "Cobra" cartridge. This is a small rectangular plug-in unit, normally green, with two clips on the back. It is only suited for playing monaural records and operates by modulating an RF signal as opposed to generating a voltage. These cartridges are not compatible with stereo records and will damage the records. They're also somewhat finicky to keep sounding good as they're packed with a type of grease which dries out over time. Later stereo Wurlitzers used a ceramic cartridge, and the tonearm was modified with the bulge to accommodate the mounting screws. Odds are that your jukebox was retrofitted with a stereo arm and cartridge. This means that the amplifier was modified as well. Going back to the Cobra will be difficult and prevent you from playing stereo records without damage. I would recommend painting your tone arm to match. > - This W1900 had unfortunately (for me who prefers original!) all the speakers replaced by "new" Jensens... How hard is to find the original ones? Who is a good address for those parts? These show up on EBay rarely. There are used parts dealers who may have them in the US. The 12-inch speakers are of two different types. > - Both the W1900 and W2300 have a sort of chromed "tripmeter" inside, close to the selection buttons area. There is also a chromed push button not very far away of it. The "tripmeter" certainly counts plays or coins or operating hours, but I am not sure... The button, no idea! What are they? The meter counts records played. The pushbutton gives a free play for testing. > - The W1900 has some kind of rectangular chromed pivoting lever, close to the left slot where the the tag "now playing record" comes out. On top of the deck - this means visible and accessible by just opening the glass dome... What is it? Directly below each record slot on the rotating carousel is a small spring-loaded wheel with painted numbers. This is a popularity meter. There is a cog on the lift arm that advances this wheel by one count each time a record is loaded onto the turntable. The jukebox operator when going to a location would read these counters to determine which records were making money and which were not. Those records with few or no counts would be removed and replaced with newer titles. The lever is used to reset the counters to zero. Turn and hold the lever with the loading lever in the "Load" position and spin the carousel one revolution. A finger below the lever will hit the reset mechanism on each counter in turn and reset to zero. > I have many other questions as a newbie but I will stop here to do not panic the readers! It would probably be in your best interest to buy a service manual for your machine. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 1 18:40:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 1 18:42:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-Real sad news Message-ID: <653338.88204.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All, I was asked to do something that I had hoped that I never to need to do. Vern Tisdale called me and asked if I would post the fact that his wife, Miriam, had past away. She died either Sunday or Monday, frankly, I was too shook up to understand all Vern told me, and of course, he was also shook up --- Anyone who ever dealt with Vern, probably has spoken to his wife--a nicer, kinder, person, has never lived !? Please do not email me with questions, as I know no more.? Ron Rich From ebayinjapan at yahoo.com Tue Sep 1 18:49:18 2009 From: ebayinjapan at yahoo.com (Christian Fischer) Date: Tue Sep 1 18:50:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-Real sad news In-Reply-To: <653338.88204.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <653338.88204.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <261875.12805.qm@web46212.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello Ron, Please be so kind to forward my condolences to Vern. My questions to him are not important at all, therefore please dismiss it and do not allow it to bother Vern in such painful times. Kind regards, Chris. ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 10:40:34 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-Real sad news All, I was asked to do something that I had hoped that I never to need to do. Vern Tisdale called me and asked if I would post the fact that his wife, Miriam, had past away. She died either Sunday or Monday, frankly, I was too shook up to understand all Vern told me, and of course, he was also shook up --- Anyone who ever dealt with Vern, probably has spoken to his wife--a nicer, kinder, person, has never lived ! Please do not email me with questions, as I know no more. Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 18:57:06 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Tue Sep 1 18:58:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-Real sad news In-Reply-To: <653338.88204.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <653338.88204.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My thoughts and prayers go out to Vern and family... Thomas On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > All, > I was asked to do something that I had hoped that I never to need to do. > Vern Tisdale called me and asked if I would post the fact that his wife, > Miriam, had past away. She died either Sunday or Monday, frankly, I was too > shook up to understand all Vern told me, and of course, he was also shook up > --- > Anyone who ever dealt with Vern, probably has spoken to his wife--a nicer, > kinder, person, has never lived ! Please do not email me with questions, as > I know no more. Ron Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Sep 1 18:57:25 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Tue Sep 1 18:59:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-Real sad news In-Reply-To: <653338.88204.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <653338.88204.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, thanks so much for posting the terrible news...I think you have done this job before....I am very sorry to hear of his loss, I will pray for him and his family, Jackie On Sep 1, 2009, at 9:40 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > All, > I was asked to do something that I had hoped that I never to need to > do. Vern Tisdale called me and asked if I would post the fact that > his wife, Miriam, had past away. She died either Sunday or Monday, > frankly, I was too shook up to understand all Vern told me, and of > course, he was also shook up --- > Anyone who ever dealt with Vern, probably has spoken to his wife--a > nicer, kinder, person, has never lived ! Please do not email me > with questions, as I know no more. Ron Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Tue Sep 1 18:58:11 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Tue Sep 1 18:59:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-Real sad news Message-ID: <1314445690-1251856693-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1850772345-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I don't think Vern subscribes to this list anymore, so he will probably never see this, but as a newbie into jukes I can honestly say that Vern was the first of many to hold my hand, and Miriam was usually the one to answer the phone. I don't claim any knowledge in this space, only a strong sentimental attachment to the Seeburg that sat in my grandparents' party room for 50 years. Being excited about taking on such a large task, one of my first electrical issues to overcome was the recapping of the am and receiver. Vern and Miriam helped me numerous times through that. I know they have done more for many of you, but for someone who was cautiously dipping their toe in the water 6 years ago, the Tisdale's made me comfortable enough to keep going with the process. Vern, if you somehow see this, my sincerest condolences. ------Original Message------ From: Ron Rich Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-Real sad news Sent: Sep 1, 2009 9:40 PM All, I was asked to do something that I had hoped that I never to need to do. Vern Tisdale called me and asked if I would post the fact that his wife, Miriam, had past away. She died either Sunday or Monday, frankly, I was too shook up to understand all Vern told me, and of course, he was also shook up --- Anyone who ever dealt with Vern, probably has spoken to his wife--a nicer, kinder, person, has never lived !? Please do not email me with questions, as I know no more.? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 1 19:02:18 2009 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Bud Wintermantel) Date: Tue Sep 1 19:03:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 Message-ID: <846033.73960.qm@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Everyone. I have a chance to pickup a Seeburg 6000 at what I think is a reasonable price. The unit will make the correct selections, however when the record is placed on the turntable the turntable does not spin. I did notice a loose belt sitting on the bottom of the cabinet. The radio is in working condition, so I am assuming the amp works as well. The cabinet is in show room condition. I?m looking for opinions on this machine. I have some experience with Rockola and Rowe Ami, but have never worked on a Seeburg, even though I have a LPC480 waiting in the wings for repair. My questions are What is the machine worth in its present state and how difficult are these machines to repair? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated Bud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Sep 1 19:52:35 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Sep 1 19:54:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-Real sad news In-Reply-To: <653338.88204.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <872885.25368.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Ron Rich wrote: I haven't had much interaction with Vern, but he certainly is very highly regarded here so that speaks well of him. Our sad lot is that as we continue on life's journey, news like this becomes more and more common. He will be in my thoughts. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 1 19:55:53 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 1 19:57:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-Real sad news In-Reply-To: <261875.12805.qm@web46212.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <508282.41070.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy's PLEASE--do it yourself !?? vtisdale@mindspring.com? TIA, Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Christian Fischer wrote: From: Christian Fischer Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT-Real sad news To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 6:49 PM Hello Ron, Please be so kind to forward my condolences to Vern. My questions to him are not important at all, therefore please dismiss it and do not allow it to bother Vern in such painful times. Kind regards, Chris. ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 10:40:34 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-Real sad news All, I was asked to do something that I had hoped that I never to need to do. Vern Tisdale called me and asked if I would post the fact that his wife, Miriam, had past away. She died either Sunday or Monday, frankly, I was too shook up to understand all Vern told me, and of course, he was also shook up --- Anyone who ever dealt with Vern, probably has spoken to his wife--a nicer, kinder, person, has never lived !? Please do not email me with questions, as I know no more.? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Tue Sep 1 20:07:01 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Sep 1 20:08:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 In-Reply-To: <846033.73960.qm@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <846033.73960.qm@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A9DE155.8000404@west.net> Bud Wintermantel wrote: > Hello Everyone. > I have a chance to pickup a Seeburg 6000 at what I think is a reasonable price. The unit will make the correct selections, however when the record is placed on the turntable the turntable does not spin. I did notice a loose belt sitting on the bottom of the cabinet. The radio is in working condition, so I am assuming the amp works as well. The cabinet is in show room condition. > I?m looking for opinions on this machine. I have some experience with Rockola and Rowe Ami, but have never worked on a Seeburg, even though I have a LPC480 waiting in the wings for repair. This differs from the traditional Seeburg mechanism in that the turntable is belt driven by a separate motor than that used to operate the mechanism. > My questions are > What is the machine worth in its present state and how difficult are these machines to repair? Good questions with highly variable answers. Value is going to be all over the map. Console stereo units of that vintage are generally not worth the freight to haul them very far. They don't really fit into the jukebox category, no coin operation and not really fun to watch. However, there is a niche market for these. They are Seeburgs after all and very well built compared to other home stereos of the era. They are also relatively scarce, at the time they were quite expensive. The rotary dial remote is kind of fun. It sounds like it may work with little more than a belt replacement. Obviously it should be gone through mechanically in terms of cleaning and lubrication. The coupling capacitors may be film rather than paper which will save some maintenance but the electrolytics will likely need replacement soon. As far as repairs, it's similar to other Seeburgs in terms of basic operation and maintenance, although there are many parts unique to the series. If you can fix other jukeboxes, there shouldn't be a lot of surprises. > Any feedback would be greatly appreciated If it's local to you, you have room for it, and you think it's a reasonable price, go for it. It will do a good job of playing your record albums and is somewhat of a conversation piece. I personally don't have one, although I have worked on a couple for friends. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 1 20:24:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 1 20:25:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 In-Reply-To: <846033.73960.qm@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <836552.80288.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Bud, If it is a "code B" unit, its not too bad a job to fix--if it's "Code A"---well--it WILL need an update kit in order to ever operate correctly--(not too hard to do--just a PIA) If the "pushbutton dial" is functioning as it should, the only other thing to worry about is if it has had the "play motor" oiled with the correct oil, as they tend to ruin bearings quickly when run dry, or with the wrong oil--? Price--as Jay stated is "all over the map"-- BTW, where is Magalia ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Bud Wintermantel wrote: From: Bud Wintermantel Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 7:02 PM Hello Everyone. I have a chance to pickup a Seeburg 6000 at what I think is a reasonable price. The unit will make the correct selections, however when the record is placed on the turntable the turntable does not spin. I did notice a loose belt sitting on the bottom of the cabinet. The radio is in working condition, so I am assuming the amp works as well. The cabinet is in show room condition. I?m looking for opinions on this machine. I have some experience with Rockola and Rowe Ami, but have never worked on a Seeburg, even though I have a LPC480 waiting in the wings for repair. My questions are What is the machine worth in its present state and how difficult are these machines to repair? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated Bud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From alan-hood at datex.co.uk Wed Sep 2 03:09:04 2009 From: alan-hood at datex.co.uk (Alan Hood) Date: Wed Sep 2 03:06:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-81's Message-ID: <5800EF01255BC34C8AFD63A9CDD4D4F2011AAB@ntpdc1.datexnt1.local> Hi Marty, The amplifier fitted to the R-81 is the Rowe Ami 602-02179 64 watt stereo amplifier (32 watts per channel) Try www.jukeboxparts.com if you are in the USA Also try Bruce Wentworth A&B Jukebox Repair 56 Old County Rd. Plaistow NH ... www.ab jukeboxrepair.com If you are in the UK then contact www.jukeboxparts.co.uk or myself. There is one of these amplifiers being sold on Ebay at the moment here is the item number:- 300342300285 Regards Alan Hood ami-man UK alan-hood@datex.co.uk From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Sep 2 06:31:02 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Wed Sep 2 06:32:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-Real sad news Message-ID: <200909020931494.SM02024@[192.168.1.206]> Oh man. This is truly sad news. I talked to Miriam a couple of months ago when placing an order. She was such a wonderful person. It was great to bump into both of them at the Chicago shows as well. After speaking to her countless times when ordering parts, I really feel a loss. Aaron From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Sep 2 08:11:02 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 2 08:14:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 Message-ID: <20090902.111102.19347.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Hello Bud: I have a Seeburg 6000 that I managed to find as an in-the-carton new unit at a warehouse sale about 10 years ago. I believe there is more than one generation of these home stereo 12" LP consoles that were manufactured. . The later versions use a digital keypad for album-side selection, the earlier version used a rotary phone dial and a stepper-switch for song selection. Thee wee several cabinet styles/finishes. The phono mech is somewhat different than the commercial jukebox units in that 2 motors are used. There is a belt-driven (2 belts) turntable motor and a mech function motor. Belts are probably available as recently mf'd parts from the supply houses catering to the jukebox hobby. Try www.needles4jukeboxes.com if you need a source. In the 6000, the power to the mech is shutoff in mid-play if you use the input selector to play the AM-FM tuner. It will be resumed when you select the phono function. The 6000 selection system is the Seeburg tormat system (with 70's technology) similar to their commercial jukes.In good condition, these are good-sounding, dependable players for listening to your 12" LP collection. They handle records gently without doing damage. As for repairs, the difficulty of repair is about average. If you're accustomed to working on other make jukes, this shouldn't be a problem for you. You will probably need to think about doing the typical "cap job" on both the tormat control chassis and the AM-FM receiver in the near future. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Wanna lose weight? Weight Loss Programs that work. 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Durable and affordable. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYW0klzeBIMa06TMTzEA5QSScd5XriHQrpq2Byo4OVVsNxnUqiai9i/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 2 08:40:51 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 2 08:42:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 In-Reply-To: <20090902.111102.19347.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <744291.97476.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, If you would like to see all the "HSC's", take a look at the photo's on (the late) Tony Miller's web site? http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera . Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/2/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:11 AM Hello Bud: I have a Seeburg 6000 that I managed to find as an in-the-carton new unit at a warehouse sale about 10 years ago.? ???I believe there is more than one generation of these home stereo 12" LP consoles that were manufactured. . The later versions use a digital keypad for album-side selection, the earlier version used a rotary phone dial and a stepper-switch for song selection.???Thee wee several cabinet styles/finishes. The phono mech is somewhat different than the commercial jukebox units in that 2 motors are used.? There is a belt-driven (2 belts) turntable motor and a mech function motor.???Belts are probably available as recently mf'd parts from the supply houses catering to the jukebox hobby.???Try www.needles4jukeboxes.com if you need a source.? In the 6000, the power to the mech is shutoff in mid-play if you use the input selector to play the AM-FM tuner.? It will be resumed when you select the phono function.??? The 6000 selection system is the Seeburg tormat system (with 70's technology) similar to their commercial jukes.In good condition, these are good-sounding, dependable players for listening to your 12" LP collection. They handle records gently without? doing damage.? ??? As for repairs, the difficulty of repair is about average.? If you're accustomed to working on other make jukes, this shouldn't be a problem for you.???You will probably need to think about doing the typical "cap job" on both the tormat control chassis and the AM-FM receiver in the near future. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander? ____________________________________________________________ Wanna lose weight?? Weight Loss Programs that work. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrFIRnyxVBWkUMeo9Ag9b5fd4IO7bzrU8xIm29RbrsuAXg2z6Kk/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 2 13:09:16 2009 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Bud Wintermantel) Date: Wed Sep 2 13:10:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 In-Reply-To: <836552.80288.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <784831.71666.qm@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Jay, Ron, and Jim Thanks for all the information given. I haven?t made up on mind on the 6000 yet because my main interest is jukeboxes with the coin ops and lighting; however I also think it would great to have a place to put my collection of old vinyl albums. The wife loves the cabinet work so that?s??a big?plus. I am going back to look at it one more time. Are there any service manuals available for this machine? ?I checked the Always Jukin website and there were none listed. Any suggestions? Ron how do I tell which code the machine has, A or B? ?Ron, Magalia is about 35 miles east of Chico in the Northern Sierras. We are about a 3 ? to 4-hour drive from your location. Thanks againBud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:24 PM Hi Bud, If it is a "code B" unit, its not too bad a job to fix--if it's "Code A"---well--it WILL need an update kit in order to ever operate correctly--(not too hard to do--just a PIA) If the "pushbutton dial" is functioning as it should, the only other thing to worry about is if it has had the "play motor" oiled with the correct oil, as they tend to ruin bearings quickly when run dry, or with the wrong oil--? Price--as Jay stated is "all over the map"-- BTW, where is Magalia ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Bud Wintermantel wrote: From: Bud Wintermantel Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 7:02 PM Hello Everyone. I have a chance to pickup a Seeburg 6000 at what I think is a reasonable price. The unit will make the correct selections, however when the record is placed on the turntable the turntable does not spin. I did notice a loose belt sitting on the bottom of the cabinet. The radio is in working condition, so I am assuming the amp works as well. The cabinet is in show room condition. I?m looking for opinions on this machine. I have some experience with Rockola and Rowe Ami, but have never worked on a Seeburg, even though I have a LPC480 waiting in the wings for repair. My questions are What is the machine worth in its present state and how difficult are these machines to repair? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated Bud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Sep 2 13:22:09 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Sep 2 13:23:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 In-Reply-To: <784831.71666.qm@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <784831.71666.qm@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A9ED3F1.4050006@west.net> Bud Wintermantel wrote: > Hello Jay, Ron, and Jim > Thanks for all the information given. I haven?t made up on mind on the 6000 yet because my main interest is jukeboxes with the coin ops and lighting; however I also think it would great to have a place to put my collection of old vinyl albums. The wife loves the cabinet work so that?s a big plus. I am going back to look at it one more time. Are there any service manuals available for this machine? I checked the Always Jukin website and there were none listed. Any suggestions? Victory Glass has them. 60-3453 R-453 6000, 6001, 6002 Service Manual 100 Pages $35.00 60-3454 R-454 6000, 6001, 6002 Parts Catalog 34 Pages $24.50 60-3455 R-453A 6000, 6001, 6002 Combination Pkg. SPECIAL OFFER Consists of R-453 and R-454 $52.50 -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 2 13:27:18 2009 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Bud Wintermantel) Date: Wed Sep 2 13:28:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 In-Reply-To: <4A9ED3F1.4050006@west.net> Message-ID: <402538.58287.qm@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Jay Bud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 1:22 PM Bud Wintermantel wrote: > Hello Jay, Ron, and Jim > Thanks for all the information given. I haven?t made up on mind on the 6000 yet because my main interest is jukeboxes with the coin ops and lighting; however I also think it would great to have a place to put my collection of old vinyl albums. The wife loves the cabinet work so that?s? a big plus. I am going back to look at it one more time. Are there any service manuals available for this machine?? I checked the Always Jukin website and there were none listed. Any suggestions? Victory Glass has them. 60-3453 ??? R-453 6000, 6001, 6002 Service Manual 100 Pages? $35.00 60-3454 ??? R-454 6000, 6001, 6002 Parts Catalog 34 Pages? ? $24.50 ??? 60-3455? ??? R-453A 6000, 6001, 6002 Combination Pkg. SPECIAL OFFER Consists of R-453 and R-454? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? $52.50 ??? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 2 13:30:54 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 2 13:32:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 In-Reply-To: <784831.71666.qm@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <640818.43550.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bud, There is a good chance that I have worked on that unit--look for a sticker that says "Advance Automatic Sales Co" , or one that says "Seeburg Dist. Co--Brisbane CA". To determine if it's a code A or B, you will need to remove the rear cover. Look at the "Radio" portion. See if you can see an "added" round (about 1/4 the size of a tuna can in width--slightly higher),? metal "can" with wires coming out of the bottom. There also should have been a "CODE B" sticker, on or near the serial number plate(s)", but it's probably fallen off by now-- I have most parts available still--including belts-- Ron --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Bud Wintermantel wrote: From: Bud Wintermantel Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 1:09 PM Hello Jay, Ron, and Jim Thanks for all the information given. I haven?t made up on mind on the 6000 yet because my main interest is jukeboxes with the coin ops and lighting; however I also think it would great to have a place to put my collection of old vinyl albums. The wife loves the cabinet work so that?s??a big?plus. I am going back to look at it one more time. Are there any service manuals available for this machine? ?I checked the Always Jukin website and there were none listed. Any suggestions? Ron how do I tell which code the machine has, A or B? ?Ron, Magalia is about 35 miles east of Chico in the Northern Sierras. We are about a 3 ? to 4-hour drive from your location. Thanks againBud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:24 PM Hi Bud, If it is a "code B" unit, its not too bad a job to fix--if it's "Code A"---well--it WILL need an update kit in order to ever operate correctly--(not too hard to do--just a PIA) If the "pushbutton dial" is functioning as it should, the only other thing to worry about is if it has had the "play motor" oiled with the correct oil, as they tend to ruin bearings quickly when run dry, or with the wrong oil--? Price--as Jay stated is "all over the map"-- BTW, where is Magalia ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Bud Wintermantel wrote: From: Bud Wintermantel Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 7:02 PM Hello Everyone. I have a chance to pickup a Seeburg 6000 at what I think is a reasonable price. The unit will make the correct selections, however when the record is placed on the turntable the turntable does not spin. I did notice a loose belt sitting on the bottom of the cabinet. The radio is in working condition, so I am assuming the amp works as well. The cabinet is in show room condition. I?m looking for opinions on this machine. I have some experience with Rockola and Rowe Ami, but have never worked on a Seeburg, even though I have a LPC480 waiting in the wings for repair. My questions are What is the machine worth in its present state and how difficult are these machines to repair? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated Bud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Sep 2 14:39:02 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 2 14:41:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 Message-ID: <20090902.173902.25457.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Bud I just realized I didn't answer your question regarding the resale value of these units. Due to the current bum economy the value on these Seeburg home album players has dropped to figures in the low hundred dollar range,even when they are in good condition. I'm basing this opinion on recent sales of HSC's sold on E Bay and Craigslist. This machine will be of interest to you if you have a big LP collection. Whenever someone is selling an upscale typical 60's-era stereo console radio phono (i.e. Magnavox, Fisher,Zenith etc) these units are usually fetching $50-100 based upon a local sale (no cartage-delivery) . When new, these units retailed for $600-800. There's not a great deal of interest in these behemoths. The Seeburg HSC's were not produced in big quantities, were somewhat rare and were considered to be a best-in-class radio-phono console. The negative criticism I heard about these is that they didn't sell well because they were marketed through the Seeburg jukebox distributor network and not the usual sales/distribution channels for home audio equipment. I believe the fully-equipped HSC's retailed for approx. $2000 when new in the late 60's-early 70's. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Registering your trademark has never been easier or more affordable. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYT8WzfgHgc22W7fbPNTEXOiZogNKeSx3V2AEBJll5qRoQT4YE4ou8/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Sep 2 15:43:11 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Sep 2 15:44:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 In-Reply-To: <20090902.173902.25457.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <291543.62143.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 9/2/09, James Alexander wrote: > The negative criticism? I > heard about these is that they didn't sell well because they > were marketed through the Seeburg jukebox distributor > network and not the usual sales/distribution channels for > home audio equipment.? ? ? ? ? I remember seeing them on rare occasion as a prize on the game show "Let's Make a Deal" when I was a kid. Other than that, I would not have known they existed, and I was a technology nut even in grade school. From s.cummings4738 at att.net Wed Sep 2 15:55:06 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Wed Sep 2 16:11:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replating a 3W1 Message-ID: <24740463-1251933012-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-928039416-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Got a lead on a restored (except for the plating) wallbox. Guy wants $325 and claims that there is 'light pitting, not enough to warrant replating". Personally, I've never seen chrome that is 50 years old that couldn't benefit from replating. So, 2 questions - IF he is right and it's fully rebuilt (I haven't seen it), do you guys think it's worth $325 and second, what about the plating? Anybody have Courtesy do one lately? They're in my backyard, so I would use them. Thanks! From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 2 16:12:04 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 2 16:13:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 In-Reply-To: <20090902.173902.25457.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <447308.24078.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, They were marketed by "high end retailers", and a couple of? "discount chain" stores as well as (to the jukebox community only) by? Seeburg Dists. "Wholesale price" was $999.00 for the HSC series, and $ 799.00 for the "6000" series---plus shipping. Seeburg set a "suggested retail price" of $1599.00 for the HSC, and? $1249.00? (or 99---can't recall) for the "6000's".? None of the above pricing was "firm", as quantity "discounts" were given, and many "other deals" were made. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/2/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 2:39 PM Bud I just realized I didn't answer your question regarding the resale value of these units.? ? Due to the current bum economy the value on these Seeburg home album players has dropped to figures in the low hundred dollar range,even when they are in good condition.? ? ? I'm basing this opinion on recent sales of HSC's sold on E Bay and Craigslist.???This machine will? be of interest to you if you have a big LP collection. Whenever someone is selling an upscale typical 60's-era stereo console radio phono (i.e. Magnavox, Fisher,Zenith etc)? these units are usually fetching? $50-100 based upon a local sale (no cartage-delivery) .? When new, these units retailed for $600-800. There's not a great deal of interest in these behemoths. The Seeburg HSC's were not produced in big quantities, were somewhat rare and were considered to be a best-in-class radio-phono console.? The negative criticism? I heard about these is that they didn't sell well because they were marketed through the Seeburg jukebox distributor network and not the usual sales/distribution channels for home audio equipment.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???I believe the fully-equipped HSC's? retailed for approx. $2000 when new in the late 60's-early 70's.? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Registering your trademark has never been easier or more affordable. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYT8WzfgHgc22W7fbPNTEXOiZogNKeSx3V2AEBJll5qRoQT4YE4ou8/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 2 16:16:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 2 16:18:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replating a 3W1 In-Reply-To: <24740463-1251933012-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-928039416-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <410228.79609.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, It's been years since I had some done by them--but they did it well for me. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replating a 3W1 To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 3:55 PM Got a lead on a restored (except for the plating) wallbox. Guy wants $325 and claims that there is 'light pitting, not enough to warrant replating". Personally, I've never seen chrome that is 50 years old that couldn't benefit from replating. So, 2 questions - IF he is right and it's fully rebuilt (I haven't seen it), do you guys think it's worth $325 and second, what about the plating?? Anybody have Courtesy do one lately?? They're in my backyard, so I would use them. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Sep 2 16:29:17 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 2 16:33:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Opinions on Seeburg 6000 Message-ID: <20090902.192917.21349.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Hello Dave: Touche. This is exactly what I meant by bad marketing. I was in my twenties when these Seeburgs were current. Every US state has independent sales representatives and distributing companies that handle consumer electronics product lines like TV's, audio gear and, back in the day, the furniture consoles. The reps and distributors' function is to advertise, gin up interest in the new products, and to get the products into the hands of retail sellers in their territory. Seeburg didn't do this. They tried to market the HSC consoles, nice as they were, through their established network of jukebox/vendor distributors. Most of these companies had established ties and were accustomed to working with people in the vending businesses but not with electronics retailers. This is supposedly why they didn't sell. I found the Seeburg 6000 that I have (I think it's a '71 model) as unclaimed freight in a warehouse in 1981. It was new in it's carton on a pallet. The warehouse had several of them. LP records were still current media and the 6 ft long furniture consoles were falling out of fashion at the time, compared to audio component systems. If I recall, I bought the 6000 for $300. The warehouse operator selling them had no idea what they were. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Easy-to-use, advanced features, flexible phone systems. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdhtR9EVFDU809bNYqltjLnvXZoqs5am5GPCAHKlVYytGNwKNgpBO/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Sep 2 16:33:18 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Sep 2 16:40:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replating a 3W1 References: <24740463-1251933012-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-928039416-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <002701ca2c25$c09a7300$1b924e18@compaq> I had a Seeburg 3W1 wallbox cover, top ring and coin casting plated by Speed and Sport. it cost $300. Very nice job but not cheap. Clean 3W1 wallboxes seem to be getting harder to find. There is lots of average to below average ones, but nice clean ones demand a high price. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cummings" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replating a 3W1 > Got a lead on a restored (except for the plating) wallbox. Guy wants $325 > and claims that there is 'light pitting, not enough to warrant replating". > Personally, I've never seen chrome that is 50 years old that couldn't > benefit from replating. So, 2 questions - IF he is right and it's fully > rebuilt (I haven't seen it), do you guys think it's worth $325 and second, > what about the plating? Anybody have Courtesy do one lately? They're in > my backyard, so I would use them. > > Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Wed Sep 2 18:27:31 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Wed Sep 2 18:29:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replating a 3W1 References: <410228.79609.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <340AB3E4ED8641EB9FCA479CEEACB916@D41XWQ61> I just bought a 3w1 from Bill Butterfield for less than $325 and it looks like brand new. No mechanical or electrical problems either and has the key. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Replating a 3W1 Scott, It's been years since I had some done by them--but they did it well for me. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replating a 3W1 To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 3:55 PM Got a lead on a restored (except for the plating) wallbox. Guy wants $325 and claims that there is 'light pitting, not enough to warrant replating". Personally, I've never seen chrome that is 50 years old that couldn't benefit from replating. So, 2 questions - IF he is right and it's fully rebuilt (I haven't seen it), do you guys think it's worth $325 and second, what about the plating? Anybody have Courtesy do one lately? They're in my backyard, so I would use them. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Wed Sep 2 18:31:01 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Wed Sep 2 18:32:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replating a 3W1 References: <24740463-1251933012-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-928039416-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <002701ca2c25$c09a7300$1b924e18@compaq> Message-ID: <7C8FF7F23C734035A55C7F95190E3E97@D41XWQ61> Bill Butterfiled just got 30 of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joey McDonald" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Replating a 3W1 >I had a Seeburg 3W1 wallbox cover, top ring and coin casting plated by >Speed and Sport. > it cost $300. Very nice job but not cheap. Clean 3W1 wallboxes seem to > be getting harder to find. There is lots of average to below average > ones, but nice clean ones demand a high price. > > Joey McDonald > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Cummings" > To: "Jukebox List" > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:55 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replating a 3W1 > > >> Got a lead on a restored (except for the plating) wallbox. Guy wants $325 >> and claims that there is 'light pitting, not enough to warrant >> replating". Personally, I've never seen chrome that is 50 years old that >> couldn't benefit from replating. So, 2 questions - IF he is right and >> it's fully rebuilt (I haven't seen it), do you guys think it's worth $325 >> and second, what about the plating? Anybody have Courtesy do one lately? >> They're in my backyard, so I would use them. >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Wed Sep 2 18:37:35 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Wed Sep 2 18:39:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement Lamps For 3W1 Message-ID: I found the original # bulbs for my 3W1 at AES (Antique Electronic Supply) for $3 per box of 10 lamps. They also have dozens of lamps for jukes, pinball, etc. Bidders go crazy on Ebay for lamps, playing much more than these brand new ones. They also have a free hard copy catalog full of old, hard to find electronic parts. From rellis2007 at aol.com Thu Sep 3 04:26:48 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 3 04:28:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hit by green av virus Message-ID: <8CBFAA08F703140-2D14-E786@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com> Has any one else been hit by the green? AV virus? it is a scam to get You to send 100 dollars to Have Your cp protected from a virus that isn't there it just keeps coming up on Your screen. doc ellis From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Sep 3 05:53:27 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Sep 3 05:55:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT..Green AV Virus In-Reply-To: <8CBFAA08F703140-2D14-E786@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBFAA08F703140-2D14-E786@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3FD6B704-D51F-47D2-9266-C3B46B1AEB3F@verizon.net> no, but thanks for the heads-up doc, Jackie Dancin' Out On Sep 3, 2009, at 7:26 AM, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: > > Has any one else been hit by the green? AV virus? it is a scam to > get You to send 100 dollars to Have Your cp protected > > from a virus that isn't there it just keeps coming up on Your screen. > > > > doc ellis > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Sep 3 08:34:03 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Sep 3 08:35:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hit by green av virus In-Reply-To: <8CBFAA08F703140-2D14-E786@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <377029.73432.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Doc, Not here-- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/3/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: From: rellis2007@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hit by green av virus To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 4:26 AM Has any one else been hit by the green? AV virus? it is a scam to get You to send 100 dollars to Have Your cp protected from a virus that isn't there it just keeps coming up on Your screen. doc ellis _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Thu Sep 3 08:47:39 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 3 08:49:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hit by green av virus In-Reply-To: <377029.73432.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBFAC4FF749575-138C-A5F@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> I was hit by it long time ago, very frustrating, I finally just did a "system restore" to a date about a week before it hit, and have not had any problems since. Worth a try! Ed B From Jjmscf at aol.com Thu Sep 3 16:25:08 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 3 16:26:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bargain of the week:Seeburg 222 for $500 BIN on Ebay Message-ID: Item no. 220475596921. He says it doesn't work but scans so it probably has the usual scans twice and stops without picking up selections problem. Looks like it needs side glasses and a mech cover emblem. J.C. From rellis2007 at aol.com Fri Sep 4 05:23:36 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 4 05:25:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hit by green av virus In-Reply-To: <377029.73432.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBFB71A975E504-421C-F10@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> Ron guess I don't know what You mean, I never said it came from this sight, if thats what You mean. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 10:34 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Hit by green av virus Doc, Not here-- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/3/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: From: rellis2007@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hit by green av virus To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 4:26 AM Has any one else been hit by the green? AV virus? it is a scam to get You to send 100 dollars to Have Your cp protected from a virus that isn't there it just keeps coming up on Your screen. doc ellis _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Fri Sep 4 05:25:00 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 4 05:27:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hit by green av virus In-Reply-To: <377029.73432.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBFB71DB292426-421C-F47@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> Ron guess I don't know what You mean, I never said it came from this sight, if thats what You mean. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 10:34 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Hit by green av virus Doc, Not here-- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/3/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: From: rellis2007@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hit by green av virus To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 4:26 AM Has any one else been hit by the green? 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Last time I was there, she told me she was very sick, but it didnt seem to stop her from "business as usuall" , She was a very gracious lady. I will send an email to Vern also. Dennis. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT-Real sad news > > > I did quite a bit of business with the Tisdales. I never got to meet them > personally. Vernmentioned that Miraiam was a cancer patient. Miriam was > a pleasant, kind and knowledgeable person on the phone. This is a loss. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click for estimate on vinyl siding. Durable and affordable. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYW0klzeBIMa06TMTzEA5QSScd5XriHQrpq2Byo4OVVsNxnUqiai9i/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.75/2341 - Release Date: 09/02/09 05:50:00 From jukebox918 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 4 14:28:02 2009 From: jukebox918 at yahoo.com (John F) Date: Fri Sep 4 14:36:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number Message-ID: <257863.93210.qm@web113013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, New to group. ? Rockola 496 (on freeplay).? After 3 digit record number is selected, record basket rotates 4 times and stops without stopping at selected record. ? When operating normally, the 3 digit selection numbers appear in the window display as the record basket turns until it reaches selected number.? Now, after selection number is entered, the 3 digit display goes blank as basket rotates. ? Thanks in advance. John Fitzgerald From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Fri Sep 4 15:25:33 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Fri Sep 4 15:27:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor Message-ID: working on an ami f120. The carriage motor seems slow. Cleaned the rails, cleaned reversing relay and tried again. The motor is still slow. I made a selection the carriage assy moved to the left, and stopped, turntable is spinning, the carriage will not move. HELP!!! Thanks Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 4 15:37:49 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 4 15:39:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <822495.41967.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Bryan Shaw wrote: > working on an ami f120.? The carriage motor seems > slow.???Cleaned the rails, cleaned reversing > relay and tried again.? The motor is still slow.? > I made a selection the carriage assy moved to the left, and > stopped, turntable is spinning, the carriage will not move. The motor is under the most load when the connecting lever goes around either cog wheel. Are you sure that your junction box is putting out enough voltage? (Does it have the original selenium rectifier in it?) Does the transfer motor also run slow? From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 4 18:04:00 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Fri Sep 4 18:06:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor References: Message-ID: <003001ca2dc4$c14ba300$6101a8c0@Dirksen> AMI's of that vintage do what appear to be goofy things at times. I'll bet you have a blown fuse for the DC power to the mech. When this happens, a normally energized relay drops out, applying power to the turntable motor. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Shaw" To: "jukebox group" Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor working on an ami f120. The carriage motor seems slow. Cleaned the rails, cleaned reversing relay and tried again. The motor is still slow. I made a selection the carriage assy moved to the left, and stopped, turntable is spinning, the carriage will not move. HELP!!! Thanks Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 4 18:11:40 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 4 18:14:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number Message-ID: <20090904.211140.12838.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hello John: Welcome to this group. The 80's era Rockola vinyl-playing jukes use a photocell and lamp arrangement at the record basket. This device counts the number of record slots as the basket rotates, resetting to zero when the basket is at the "home" position. If the lamp/photocell isn't working the digital CPU is not getting any information as to the position of the record changer. This is one of the most common failures to look for when this symptom happens. If the lamp/photocell is working, most likely the problem rests in the CPU electronics. Your jukebox service manual should give you some other troubleshooting hints to help you identify the problem component. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWqfI0F8xlyFYOL4IZNLtslUGXfWCifBYXC8Ueb01WDXFog1GTiRy/ From robinmata at kc.rr.com Fri Sep 4 20:25:10 2009 From: robinmata at kc.rr.com (Robin Mata) Date: Fri Sep 4 20:27:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI I-120 selector mechanism cleaning Message-ID: <00f401ca2dd8$79978740$6cc695c0$@rr.com> Ok, I just took out the selector bank with the Pulse Generator attached on my AMI I-120 project. I want to clean all the gunk off of the selector tabs, the switches, solenoids, etc.. what is the best way to go about this? Is the spray electrical cleaner the best thing to use around the wiring, switches, etc..? What about the gunk, rust, etc.on the metal selector tabs, springs, etc.? Robert From goldenflash60 at aol.com Fri Sep 4 20:46:49 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 4 20:55:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trying to find doc ellis Message-ID: <8CBFBF2A2358DA3-4014-9DA7@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> doc ellis wrote me an email on collectingbanter asking for a es2 player mech.? if anyone knows hime let me know, tom From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Fri Sep 4 22:18:54 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Fri Sep 4 22:29:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AA1F4BE.30506@sparksandarcs.net> Are you still running the selenium rectifier in the Power box? Replace it with silicon right away. It'll give a little less resistance to the circuit. Also, sometimes the brushes of these motors go lousy. New brushes help alot. In a pinch, I've reversed brushes (if possible, depends on the motor really). The "newer" surfaces will give better contact with the rotor. Bryan Shaw wrote: > working on an ami f120. The carriage motor seems slow. Cleaned the rails, cleaned reversing relay and tried again. The motor is still slow. I made a selection the carriage assy moved to the left, and stopped, turntable is spinning, the carriage will not move. > HELP!!! > > Thanks > > Bryan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From rellis2007 at aol.com Sat Sep 5 04:09:49 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Sat Sep 5 04:16:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] es 2 player mech Message-ID: <8CBFC3085225C13-2144-B30E@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> This is doc and I am not looking for the mech, some one emailed Me wanting to know where they could find one. there was one on ebay. doc From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Sat Sep 5 13:09:15 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Sat Sep 5 13:10:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor Message-ID: The transfer motor was running, but seemed a bit sluggish. But not as sluggish as the carriage motor. The junctionbox is the original. Is it rebuildable or can I just replace the component in question? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 From Jjmscf at aol.com Sat Sep 5 13:15:52 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sat Sep 5 13:23:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number Message-ID: Actually the later Rockola jukes use an optocoupler with an led built in. on my Rockola 490-1 there is also a red LED on the optocoupler board that blinks showing that the optocoupler is counting as the basket turns. He could check for that red led to be lit and blinking when the basket is turning. if it is working I agree that its a CPU issue or a dirty contact where it connects to the CPU. If the optocoupler is not working its either not getting voltage(no red led light) or something's wrong with the optocoupler(more likely some dirt blocking the light from shining through) J.C. In a message dated 9/4/2009 9:14:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jalexandercc@netzero.net writes: Hello John: Welcome to this group. The 80's era Rockola vinyl-playing jukes use a photocell and lamp arrangement at the record basket. This device counts the number of record slots as the basket rotates, resetting to zero when the basket is at the "home" position. If the lamp/photocell isn't working the digital CPU is not getting any information as to the position of the record changer. This is one of the most common failures to look for when this symptom happens. If the lamp/photocell is working, most likely the problem rests in the CPU electronics. Your jukebox service manual should give you some other troubleshooting hints to help you identify the problem component. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWqfI0F8xlyFYOL4IZNLtsl UGXfWCifBYXC8Ueb01WDXFog1GTiRy/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Sep 5 13:41:54 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Sep 5 13:43:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <98323.85666.qm@web112119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 9/5/09, Bryan Shaw wrote: > The transfer motor was running, but seemed a bit > sluggish. But not as sluggish as the carriage > motor. The junctionbox is the original. Is it > rebuildable or can I just replace the component in > question? I don't think there's anything in there that ever needs to be replaced except the rectifier. Several suppliers of jukebox parts sell a diode bridge rectifier that's very simple to solder in in place of the selenium rectifier. A good one will even have a hole through the middle that you can use to attach it to the junction box chasis exactly where the old rectifier was. You may also want to take the motors apart and make sure that there isn't any accumulated gunk on the armature shafts and bearings. Remove the brushes first, and like another responder here mentioned, if they're worn down almost the the springs they'll have to be replaced. I don't know a specific source for these from jukebox suppliers (others here may) but I was able to get exect replacement sets from a local company that rebuilds electric motors (wiper, heater, etc.) for cars. From chris.naylor at dsl.pipex.com Sat Sep 5 15:11:38 2009 From: chris.naylor at dsl.pipex.com (Chris Naylor) Date: Sat Sep 5 15:13:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SC1 playing wrong selections Message-ID: <0D35C742AEC94E91A87AF6FCC50F5EB2@ChrisPC> Hi, I have a Seeburg SC1 wallbox that I am attempting to use with a PCPlaybox interface to my computer, I have a 3W1 wallbox that works great, but I recently picked up an SC1 and would like to run this as an alternative. I have the SC1working (nearly) in that it plays all selections correctly from D onwards, If I select any number in A, B or C it plays the corresponding number in the next letter, For example if A1 is selected B1 plays, B1 selected C1 plays, C1 selected D1 plays, but if D1 is selected D1 plays and from there on everything is OK. If anyone can help me sort this out I would be grateful, Thanks, Chris. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Sep 5 15:19:41 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Sep 5 15:23:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor Message-ID: <20090905.181941.480.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Victory Glass carries some replacement brushes and other small parts to fit AMI, Rockola and US Wurlitzer robotics motors. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrDECGUAOwonR1Vv5NkOAeaMFeLzozfqizAsNUGfYSumrEhihiA/ From jukebox918 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 5 16:31:00 2009 From: jukebox918 at yahoo.com (John F) Date: Sat Sep 5 16:32:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <24850.5116.qm@web113010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim & J.C. Many thanks....it is the photocell / optocoupler board.? Connector plug on the board not making good contact.? Will try cleaning contacts. John Fitzgerald --- On Sat, 9/5/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 8:15 PM Actually the later Rockola jukes use an optocoupler with an? led built? in. on my Rockola 490-1 there is also a red LED on the optocoupler? board that blinks showing that the optocoupler is counting as the? basket turns. He could check for that red led to be lit and blinking when the? basket is turning. if it is working I agree that its a CPU issue or a dirty? contact where it connects to the CPU. If the optocoupler is not working its? either not getting voltage(no red led light) or something's wrong with the? optocoupler(more likely some dirt blocking the light from shining through) J.C. In a message dated 9/4/2009 9:14:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? jalexandercc@netzero.net writes: Hello John: Welcome to this group.? ? The? 80's era Rockola vinyl-playing jukes use a photocell and lamp arrangement at? the record basket. This device counts the number of record slots as the basket? rotates, resetting to zero when the basket is at the "home" position.??? If the lamp/photocell isn't working the digital CPU is not getting? any information as to the position of the record changer.? This is? one of the most common failures to look for when this symptom? happens.???If the lamp/photocell is working, most likely the problem? rests in the CPU electronics.? ? Your jukebox service manual? should give you some other troubleshooting hints to help you identify the? problem component.? Hope this helps, Jim? Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Improve? your career health. 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I assume the pin is in the wrong position, but didn't want to screw with it before asking the "experts". Am I right? From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 6 07:47:37 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Sun Sep 6 07:49:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) In-Reply-To: <8CBF7A6AF3BD089-2AFC-39DC9@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <817273.68900.qm@web63201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Wow...I never knew people liked old pop machines as much as jukes or pinballs...thanks for the info! Is there a website or a yahoo group dedicated to the pop machine lovers?? Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Sun, 8/30/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 12:33 PM The early "Pop" machines have a following just like the jukes do. There are collectors, restorers, Books, lots of interest. A great book if your interested that talks about different models, prices, and is a great reference guide is CLASSIC SODA MACHINES BY JEFF WALTERS.? Amazon probably has it.??? The machines your talking about here is called a "Slider" , most? were built in late 40's early 50's by a company called IDEAL.? The most common was the Ideal 55, which held 55 bottles.? Vendo was one of the most popular manufacturers of Pop Machines, with its Vendo - 81, which I call the 1015 of pop machines, with the rounded of corners, and the glass door that opens and shows you whats available, drop your nickle in the slot and pull your pop right out.Cavalier, Jacobs, westinghouse, there were multiple vendors, just like jukes, some hot some not.? Coke was the most popular machines, but now an original Pepsi, RC Cola, DR. Pepper, 7-up, might be worth even more.? I could go on an d on, it is interesting to follow......fits in well with our jukes. -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 9:16 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Ken wrote: > Prolly would get > a soda & candy machine before that.I kinda like the > chest type soda machines better than the stand-up ones-take > up less space. Are you talking about the kind of pop machine in which you opened the top (like an ice chest), inserted a coin, then slid the bottle around through a rack until you could pull it up through a turnstyle type gate?? I don't think I've seen one of those at a paying location since I was 5 or 6 years old, and the memory sticks with me because it struck me as being so totally different from any other machine I'd ever seen -- and I was 6 years old in 1965! But as I remember, their footprint isn't any smaller than any other pop machine, until the advent of the "mega machines" that started appearing in the 1980s and are now very common. Didn't those chest type machines have their heyday in the 1930s? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Sun Sep 6 08:05:00 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Sun Sep 6 08:06:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor Message-ID: _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 From jay at west.net Sun Sep 6 08:53:59 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Sep 6 08:55:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 4 plays for a quarter? In-Reply-To: <000301ca2eef$9e3538f0$da9faad0$@cummings4738@att.net> References: <000301ca2eef$9e3538f0$da9faad0$@cummings4738@att.net> Message-ID: <4AA3DB17.5060802@west.net> Scott Cummings wrote: > My Seeburg A has been set back to its original nickel play. And that's what > the CCU is giving. One play for a nickel, two for a dime, but it's giving 4 > selections for a quarter, instead of 6. I assume the pin is in the wrong > position, but didn't want to screw with it before asking the "experts". Am > I right? Yes. There are three coils in the credit unit driven from the coin mech for nickel, dime, quarter. These can be placed in any of six slots beneath the wheel. When a coil fires due to a coin being dropped, it pops its pin up and flips the snap switch above the coil. Every time a selection is made a solenoid pulls the credit wheel one-sixth of a revolution. There is a cancel ramp that resets any snap switch passing under it. For nickel play, the nickel coil should be next to the cancel ramp to reset after one play, the dime coil in the next slot for two plays, and the quarter coil all the way around to slot six, just on the other side of the cancel ramp from the nickel coil. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 6 09:16:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 6 09:18:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 4 plays for a quarter? In-Reply-To: <000301ca2eef$9e3538f0$da9faad0$@cummings4738@att.net> Message-ID: <601919.47242.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, U'z correct--move the coil/pin to the the 6th "hole" if you want 6 selections--I also STRONGLY suggest that if you do not have one, you purchase an electronic "keyboard protector"-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: [Jukebox-list] 4 plays for a quarter? To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 5:43 AM My Seeburg A has been set back to its original nickel play.? And that's what the CCU is giving.? One play for a nickel, two for a dime, but it's giving 4 selections for a quarter, instead of 6.? I assume the pin is in the wrong position, but didn't want to screw with it before asking the "experts".? Am I right? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 6 09:18:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 6 09:19:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) In-Reply-To: <817273.68900.qm@web63201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <429613.46518.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ken, Thar ain't no accountin fer people's taste in anything !!! I have seen some ( to me ) real "strange" collections-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 7:47 AM Wow...I never knew people liked old pop machines as much as jukes or pinballs...thanks for the info! Is there a website or a yahoo group dedicated to the pop machine lovers?? Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Sun, 8/30/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 12:33 PM The early "Pop" machines have a following just like the jukes do. There are collectors, restorers, Books, lots of interest. A great book if your interested that talks about different models, prices, and is a great reference guide is CLASSIC SODA MACHINES BY JEFF WALTERS.? Amazon probably has it.??? The machines your talking about here is called a "Slider" , most? were built in late 40's early 50's by a company called IDEAL.? The most common was the Ideal 55, which held 55 bottles.? Vendo was one of the most popular manufacturers of Pop Machines, with its Vendo - 81, which I call the 1015 of pop machines, with the rounded of corners, and the glass door that opens and shows you whats available, drop your nickle in the slot and pull your pop right out.Cavalier, Jacobs, westinghouse, there were multiple vendors, just like jukes, some hot some not.? Coke was the most popular machines, but now an original Pepsi, RC Cola, DR. Pepper, 7-up, might be worth even more.? I could go on an d on, it is interesting to follow......fits in well with our jukes. -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 9:16 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Ken wrote: > Prolly would get > a soda & candy machine before that.I kinda like the > chest type soda machines better than the stand-up ones-take > up less space. Are you talking about the kind of pop machine in which you opened the top (like an ice chest), inserted a coin, then slid the bottle around through a rack until you could pull it up through a turnstyle type gate?? I don't think I've seen one of those at a paying location since I was 5 or 6 years old, and the memory sticks with me because it struck me as being so totally different from any other machine I'd ever seen -- and I was 6 years old in 1965! But as I remember, their footprint isn't any smaller than any other pop machine, until the advent of the "mega machines" that started appearing in the 1980s and are now very common. Didn't those chest type machines have their heyday in the 1930s? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Sun Sep 6 09:19:55 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Sun Sep 6 09:21:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 4 plays for a quarter? In-Reply-To: <601919.47242.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <000301ca2eef$9e3538f0$da9faad0$@cummings4738@att.net><601919.47242.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <400740144-1252253996-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-304779428-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Bbbbrrruuuuhhhhhhh (Tim Allen manly grunt). What's that? First I've ever heard of such a thing, unless you mean a solenoid protector that isn't part of a free play hookup. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 09:16:36 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 4 plays for a quarter? Scott, U'z correct--move the coil/pin to the the 6th "hole" if you want 6 selections--I also STRONGLY suggest that if you do not have one, you purchase an electronic "keyboard protector"-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: [Jukebox-list] 4 plays for a quarter? To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 5:43 AM My Seeburg A has been set back to its original nickel play.? And that's what the CCU is giving.? One play for a nickel, two for a dime, but it's giving 4 selections for a quarter, instead of 6.? I assume the pin is in the wrong position, but didn't want to screw with it before asking the "experts".? Am I right? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Sep 6 09:30:28 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Sep 6 09:32:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) In-Reply-To: <817273.68900.qm@web63201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <154998.73671.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Ken wrote: > Wow...I never knew people liked old > pop machines as much as jukes or pinballs...thanks for the > info! Is there a website or a yahoo group dedicated to the > pop machine lovers?? This site has a large collection of pop machine pictures and descriptions: http://soda-machines.com/ I didn't realize until I visited here that there was a third type of chest-style machine. There's the ice type, which the location owner must keep stocked with ice, and the "dry refrigerated" type in which cold air keeps the bottles cold. But, there was also a "wet refrigerated" type that was transitional between those two, in which refrigerated water circulates around the bottles, keeping them cold. Seems like it would be awfully hard to keep the water sanitary, which must be why they didn't last long. From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Sun Sep 6 09:32:15 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Sun Sep 6 09:33:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 junction box input Message-ID: david, The input to the mech junction box is 24v dc on pin 4, and 22.3 on pin 3 of the mech junction box. Do you know if that is the proper level? _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 09:39:04 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sun Sep 6 09:40:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) In-Reply-To: <429613.46518.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <817273.68900.qm@web63201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <429613.46518.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, Some people think that those of us who collect jukeboxes and pinballs are a little strange. When I say my house has a gameroom, I mean it literally. LOL.... Thomas On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > Ken, > Thar ain't no accountin fer people's taste in anything !!! I have seen some > ( to me ) real "strange" collections-- Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Ken wrote: > > From: Ken > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 7:47 AM > > Wow...I never knew people liked old pop machines as much as jukes or > pinballs...thanks for the info! Is there a website or a yahoo group > dedicated to the pop machine lovers?? > Ken > '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 > '70 GTB Baseball > > --- On Sun, 8/30/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: > > > From: edbap@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 12:33 PM > > > The early "Pop" machines have a following just like the jukes do. There are > collectors, restorers, Books, lots of interest. A great book if your > interested that talks about different models, prices, and is a great > reference guide is CLASSIC SODA MACHINES BY JEFF WALTERS.? Amazon probably > has it.??? The machines your talking about here is called a "Slider" , most? > were built in late 40's early 50's by a company called IDEAL.? The most > common was the Ideal 55, which held 55 bottles.? Vendo was one of the most > popular manufacturers of Pop Machines, with its Vendo - 81, which I call the > 1015 of pop machines, with the rounded of corners, and the glass door that > opens and shows you whats available, drop your nickle in the slot and pull > your pop right out.Cavalier, Jacobs, westinghouse, there were multiple > vendors, just like jukes, some hot some not.? Coke was the most popular > machines, but now an original Pepsi, RC Cola, DR. Pepper, 7-up, might be > worth even > more.? I could go on an > d on, it is interesting to follow......fits in well with our jukes. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Breneman > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 9:16 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) > > > > --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Ken wrote: > > > Prolly would get > > a soda & candy machine before that.I kinda like the > > chest type soda machines better than the stand-up ones-take > > up less space. > > Are you talking about the kind of pop machine in which > you opened the top (like an ice chest), inserted a coin, > then slid the bottle around through a rack until you could > pull it up through a turnstyle type gate? I don't think > I've seen one of those at a paying location since I was 5 > or 6 years old, and the memory sticks with me because it > struck me as being so totally different from any other > machine I'd ever seen -- and I was 6 years old in 1965! > But as I remember, their footprint isn't any smaller than > any other pop machine, until the advent of the "mega machines" > that started appearing in the 1980s and are now very common. > Didn't those chest type machines have their heyday in > the 1930s? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From dppe at inebraska.com Sun Sep 6 09:50:54 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sun Sep 6 09:52:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a 1940 Rockola Super Jukebox and 1906 crank Victor phono? Message-ID: <2366418dd3665f3281d0173379a3b739@inebraska.com> Stumbled into a really nice 1940 Rockola Super Jukebox with the speaker on top. The thing looked huge and was told it weighed over 500 pounds. The plastic or colored glass was in really nice shape as well as the cabinet and it did play records? In this economy what is a fair price for one of these? Also saw a 1906 Victor crank phonograph with a nice wooden cabinet where the two doors opened up in the front for a speaker. The cabinet was nice, but parts of the little square legs in the corners were chipped or broken off? Thanks for your input. Dana From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Sep 6 10:43:28 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Sep 6 10:45:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 junction box input In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <520314.36386.qm@web112109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Bryan Shaw wrote: > The input to the mech junction box is 24v dc > on pin 4, and 22.3 on pin 3 of the mech junction box. > Do you know if that is the proper level? I don't have an F manual, but the F and G are, at least as far as I know, mechanically and electrically identical. Page 2 of the "Model G Credit and Selection Circuits Service Manual" says: (Any typos are mine.) === Cut Here === The DC power is furnished by a transformer and selen- ium rectifier combination. 32 volts maximum open-circuit is provided at the output of the full-wave bridge-type rectifier. Selenium rectifiers do not always "burn out" or "open up" when they fail. Often, failure means that the D.C. output voltage has dropped to a low value. The condition of your rectifier can be checked by disconnect- ing everything but the A.C. cable from the junction box and connecting a 25 ohm, 25 watt resistor to terminals #1 and #3 on the junstion box terminal stript. With 117 A.C. line volts supplied to the transformer primary, a normal rectifier will deliver 25 1/2 to 29 D.C. volts to the resistor. A marginal rectifier which is starting to fail will develop about 22 volts or less across the resistor, and should be replaced. === Cut Here === It then goes on to explain how you can use the resistance inherent in the circuit to load the rectifier for testing if you don't have a suitable resistor handy. I'm pretty sure this information will be in the F manual as well. Remember that it is important to provide a load on the rectifier when testing it, because a bad one may produce acceptable voltage to an open circuit, but as load increases, it will produce a lower and lower voltage. That's why I mentioned earlier that it takes less current to move the turntable along the rails than it does to "round the horn" at the and of its travel. A marginal rectifier would be expected to give out under that additional load. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Sep 6 12:26:38 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Sep 6 12:29:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a 1940 Rockola Super Jukebox and 1906 cran k Victor phono? Message-ID: <20090906.152638.3656.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Dana: The 1940 RockOla juke (according to their lit.) could be equipped as a standard 20-select 78 RPM juke or it could be equipped with their phone line system that RO used for a few years. The phone line set up allowed jukebox patrons to call into a centrally located bank of operators that had a big record library and a bank of phono turntables. Customers paid to request songs,and operators played them. The return phone line was connected to the jukebox sound system. Several companies tried to offer this service in the 40's in order to offer a big number of song selections. I think RockOla called their service "Mystic Music". The Always Jukin' price guide shows values of Grade 1= $3200, Grade 2= $2750 Grade 3= $900. There's another 1940 RO model listed called SpectraVox (I think it's a styled console cabinet with a wallbox and speaker in it) that's worth more money. Prices will vary everywhere, but here the value for in-demand classic jukes seems to be running at about 50% of the "book value". Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to find great deals on satellite tv! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVg8G1k2sEtEE5gQh2fYUKeGIzdEnmPyFTPgF8bAccU1rdp7oIb9u/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Sep 6 12:31:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Sep 6 12:34:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number Message-ID: <20090906.153146.3656.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> I'm glad that this worked out for you. Another important part of RockOla maintenance is to keep the changer mech properly cleaned and lubed. For home use, you should go through this once every 5 years. Enjoy your music. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ344iVlyD885evxm25VMhJQjtsqj73yPFqqaz8bWu9HUQGOBUSSs/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 6 15:19:49 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 6 15:21:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 4 plays for a quarter? In-Reply-To: <400740144-1252253996-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-304779428-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <656043.52871.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ARRRRRRRRR--- Solenoid/keyboard protector--same thing--just depends on who wants to call it whut---LESS power (used) !!!? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 4 plays for a quarter? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 9:19 AM Bbbbrrruuuuhhhhhhh (Tim Allen manly grunt). What's that?? First I've ever heard of such a thing, unless you mean a solenoid protector that isn't part of a free play hookup. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 09:16:36 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 4 plays for a quarter? Scott, U'z correct--move the coil/pin to the the 6th "hole" if you want 6 selections--I also STRONGLY suggest that if you do not have one, you purchase an electronic "keyboard protector"-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: [Jukebox-list] 4 plays for a quarter? To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 5:43 AM My Seeburg A has been set back to its original nickel play.? And that's what the CCU is giving.? One play for a nickel, two for a dime, but it's giving 4 selections for a quarter, instead of 6.? I assume the pin is in the wrong position, but didn't want to screw with it before asking the "experts".? Am I right? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 6 15:23:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 6 15:25:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) In-Reply-To: <154998.73671.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <317890.57349.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, You reminded me of one I used to buy from, long, long, long, ago, when I was a kid----musta been the "wet" type as the bottles were always "slimy"--they kept a towel attached to the side to wipe the bottle with !? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/6/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 9:30 AM --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Ken wrote: > Wow...I never knew people liked old > pop machines as much as jukes or pinballs...thanks for the > info! Is there a website or a yahoo group dedicated to the > pop machine lovers?? This site has a large collection of pop machine pictures and descriptions: http://soda-machines.com/ I didn't realize until I visited here that there was a third type of chest-style machine.? There's the ice type, which the location owner must keep stocked with ice, and the "dry refrigerated" type in which cold air keeps the bottles cold.? But, there was also a "wet refrigerated" type that was transitional between those two, in which refrigerated water circulates around the bottles, keeping them cold.? Seems like it would be awfully hard to keep the water sanitary, which must be why they didn't last long. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Sep 6 15:24:28 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Sep 6 15:26:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a 1940 Rockola Super Jukebox and 1906 crank Victor phono? In-Reply-To: <2366418dd3665f3281d0173379a3b739@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <192636.71327.qm@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Dana wrote: > Also saw a 1906 Victor crank phonograph with a nice wooden > cabinet where the two doors opened up in the front for a > speaker. The cabinet was nice, but parts of the > little square legs in the corners were chipped or broken > off? Just because you see "1906" on the serial number plate, that does not indicate the year it was built, just the year that a patent was issued. Is that what led you to believe it was from 1906? 1906 is the year the first Victrola was introduced, and the original model is one of the most valuable. Do you know what model it is? That would be on the serial number plate as well. Prices on Victrolas are all over the map. Some had custom cabinets made for waelthy customers. Some were very popular and therefore common. When you say "little square legs in the corners" does that mean that it was a tabletop model? So, I guess the intital answer is, "It's worth roughly $75 to $10,000." :-) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 6 15:26:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 6 15:28:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <818248.28377.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thomas, I never said that anyone was "strange", as that would be akin to the pot calling the kettle------just some of the "stuff" the collect.? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 9:39 AM Ron, ? ? ? Some people think that those of us who collect jukeboxes and pinballs are a little strange. When I say my house has a gameroom, I mean it literally. LOL.... Thomas On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > Ken, > Thar ain't no accountin fer people's taste in anything !!! I have seen some > ( to me ) real "strange" collections-- Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Ken wrote: > > From: Ken > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 7:47 AM > > Wow...I never knew people liked old pop machines as much as jukes or > pinballs...thanks for the info! Is there a website or a yahoo group > dedicated to the pop machine lovers?? > Ken > '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 > '70 GTB Baseball > > --- On Sun, 8/30/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: > > > From: edbap@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 12:33 PM > > > The early "Pop" machines have a following just like the jukes do. There are > collectors, restorers, Books, lots of interest. A great book if your > interested that talks about different models, prices, and is a great > reference guide is CLASSIC SODA MACHINES BY JEFF WALTERS.? Amazon probably > has it.??? The machines your talking about here is called a "Slider" , most? > were built in late 40's early 50's by a company called IDEAL.? The most > common was the Ideal 55, which held 55 bottles.? Vendo was one of the most > popular manufacturers of Pop Machines, with its Vendo - 81, which I call the > 1015 of pop machines, with the rounded of corners, and the glass door that > opens and shows you whats available, drop your nickle in the slot and pull > your pop right out.Cavalier, Jacobs, westinghouse, there were multiple > vendors, just like jukes, some hot some not.? Coke was the most popular > machines, but now an original Pepsi, RC Cola, DR. Pepper, 7-up, might be > worth even >? more.? I could go on an > d on, it is interesting to follow......fits in well with our jukes. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Breneman > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 9:16 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) > > > > --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Ken wrote: > > > Prolly would get > > a soda & candy machine before that.I kinda like the > > chest type soda machines better than the stand-up ones-take > > up less space. > > Are you talking about the kind of pop machine in which > you opened the top (like an ice chest), inserted a coin, > then slid the bottle around through a rack until you could > pull it up through a turnstyle type gate?? I don't think > I've seen one of those at a paying location since I was 5 > or 6 years old, and the memory sticks with me because it > struck me as being so totally different from any other > machine I'd ever seen -- and I was 6 years old in 1965! > But as I remember, their footprint isn't any smaller than > any other pop machine, until the advent of the "mega machines" > that started appearing in the 1980s and are now very common. > Didn't those chest type machines have their heyday in > the 1930s? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 6 15:49:43 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 6 15:51:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a 1940 Rockola Super Jukebox and 1906 cran k Victor phono? In-Reply-To: <20090906.152638.3656.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <214794.96450.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Was the "Mystic music" an add on feature to the phonograph, or a "stand alone" cabinet only ?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/6/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Value of a 1940 Rockola Super Jukebox and 1906 cran k Victor phono? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 12:26 PM Dana: The 1940 RockOla juke? (according to their lit.) could be equipped as a standard 20-select 78 RPM juke or it could be equipped with their phone line system that RO used for a few years.???The phone line set up allowed jukebox patrons to call into a centrally located bank of operators that had a big record library and a bank of phono turntables.? ? ? ? ? Customers paid to request songs,and operators played them.? ? The return phone line was connected to the jukebox sound system.? ? ? ???Several companies tried to offer this service in the 40's in order to offer a big number of song selections.? ? I think RockOla called their service "Mystic Music".? The Always Jukin'? price guide shows values of? Grade 1=? $3200, Grade 2= $2750 Grade 3= $900.???There's another 1940 RO model listed called SpectraVox? (I think it's a? styled console cabinet with a wallbox and speaker in it) that's worth more money. Prices will vary everywhere, but here the value for in-demand classic jukes seems to be running at about 50% of the "book value".? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to find great deals on satellite tv! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVg8G1k2sEtEE5gQh2fYUKeGIzdEnmPyFTPgF8bAccU1rdp7oIb9u/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Sun Sep 6 16:33:48 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sun Sep 6 16:35:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) In-Reply-To: <154998.73671.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <154998.73671.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes SMC has a large collection along with a forum full of members eager to help also. It's like the jukebox list of the pop machine world lol I wonder if there are any fellow SMC members on this list ? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop Machines (Was: trouble after initializing) > --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Ken wrote: > >> Wow...I never knew people liked old >> pop machines as much as jukes or pinballs...thanks for the >> info! Is there a website or a yahoo group dedicated to the >> pop machine lovers?? > > This site has a large collection of pop machine pictures > and descriptions: > > http://soda-machines.com/ > > I didn't realize until I visited here that there was a > third type of chest-style machine. There's the ice > type, which the location owner must keep stocked with > ice, and the "dry refrigerated" type in which cold air > keeps the bottles cold. But, there was also a "wet > refrigerated" type that was transitional between those > two, in which refrigerated water circulates around > the bottles, keeping them cold. Seems like it would be > awfully hard to keep the water sanitary, which must > be why they didn't last long. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Sep 6 18:16:34 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Sun Sep 6 18:18:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200...need cabinet lock In-Reply-To: References: <154998.73671.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Does anyone have a cabinet lock, key and cam for an AMi G200? Please contact me offlist. Thanks. Rich From ebayinjapan at yahoo.com Sun Sep 6 18:54:29 2009 From: ebayinjapan at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Sun Sep 6 18:56:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Neddle pressue (Wurlitzer 1900 and 2300) Message-ID: <703229.10255.qm@web46205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Dear all, I was wondering if somebody could recommend a way to set the needle pressure to "safe levels" with some "house-made-easy" gauge! I do not have the gauge that appears in the manuals... Some trick to set force to those few gramms? The second question is regarding the warning that Cobra needles were not necessarily the best and that monoaural needles damage stereo 45s... I understood from previous threads the too large size and the unability to move radially as the reason of it. The question is if a 0.7 needle is undersized enough to compensate the above or should I expect anyway fast damage of the records? Thanks and kind regards, Chris. From charlie.morgan at cox.net Sun Sep 6 19:11:36 2009 From: charlie.morgan at cox.net (Charlie Morgan) Date: Sun Sep 6 19:13:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted: Seeburg 100 selector unit contact plates Message-ID: I am looking for 3 selector unit (pinbank) contact plates for a HF100G. I think 100C, G, and others would be the same. I also need 6 of the little metal washers that go under the contact plates. Anyone have some extras I can buy? Thanks, Charlie From dppe at inebraska.com Sun Sep 6 21:58:25 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sun Sep 6 22:00:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a 1940 Rockola Super Jukebox and 1906 crank Victor phono? In-Reply-To: <192636.71327.qm@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <192636.71327.qm@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <70c860d9dacb748d6f654ca70103ffdb@inebraska.com> Guess I didn't pay real close attention to the serial number. This was a table top model. Any way, it is located a few hundred miles from me so I won't get back there right away. Thanks for your input. Dana On Sep 6, 2009, at 5:24 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Dana wrote: > >> Also saw a 1906 Victor crank phonograph with a nice wooden >> cabinet where the two doors opened up in the front for a >> speaker. The cabinet was nice, but parts of the >> little square legs in the corners were chipped or broken >> off? > > Just because you see "1906" on the serial number plate, that > does not indicate the year it was built, just the year that a > patent was issued. Is that what led you to believe it was > from 1906? 1906 is the year the first Victrola was introduced, > and the original model is one of the most valuable. Do you > know what model it is? That would be on the serial number > plate as well. Prices on Victrolas are all over the map. Some > had custom cabinets made for waelthy customers. Some were > very popular and therefore common. When you say "little > square legs in the corners" does that mean that it was a > tabletop model? > > So, I guess the intital answer is, "It's worth roughly $75 to > $10,000." :-) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From s.cummings4738 at att.net Sun Sep 6 22:43:22 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Sun Sep 6 22:44:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wayyyyyyyy too much bass Message-ID: <2144692762-1252302202-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856374678-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Spent the night listening to my (almost) finished Seeburg A, and after many varieties of (converted to play) 45s, I can say withought doubt that this thing has entirely too much bass. Treble is set to high end and bass on step #2 (#1 gives no bass). Any suggestions? From cdstock at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 05:10:39 2009 From: cdstock at gmail.com (CC) Date: Mon Sep 7 05:42:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wayyyyyyyy too much bass In-Reply-To: <2144692762-1252302202-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856374678-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <2144692762-1252302202-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856374678-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <9A5DDBAD96A043D084BE43F0D2FEF447@ChadLT> I would like to trade problems with you, my HF100G & MRA4 hardly has any bass at all, I've been tinkering with R7, and caps with no luck. What MRA are you using? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Scott Cummings Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:43 AM To: Jukebox List Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wayyyyyyyy too much bass Spent the night listening to my (almost) finished Seeburg A, and after many varieties of (converted to play) 45s, I can say withought doubt that this thing has entirely too much bass. Treble is set to high end and bass on step #2 (#1 gives no bass). Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Mon Sep 7 07:02:43 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Mon Sep 7 07:04:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor Message-ID: Thanks for the advice with the motor brushed. I am going to repaint the machine, it is currently emberred charcoal. I want to change it to yellow. Any ideas on how to replicate the colored fleck look? It currently is gray with red and yellow flecks in the paint and I want replicate it Thank you Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 07:48:50 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Sep 7 07:50:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wayyyyyyyy too much bass In-Reply-To: <2144692762-1252302202-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856374678-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <496850.55759.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Scott Cummings wrote: > Spent the night listening to my > (almost) finished Seeburg A, and after many varieties of > (converted to play) 45s, I can say withought doubt that this > thing has entirely too much bass. What kind of shape is the pickup in? Is it the original Pickering "black head"? I got one off Ebay once on which a previous owner had applied silicone bathroom caulking around the stylus cantilevers. Needless to say, it sounded awful, and with almost zero compliance would jump out of the groove at any loud passage of music. A good way to check the amp it to plug a regular turntable into it (assuming the turntable is stereo, just pick one channel). How does that sound? If it sounds better, then the pickup will probably need to be rebuilt. One of the problems with the Pickering pickup is that the stylus cantilever can become detached from the magnet armature, and so the magnet is no longer centered in the coil. This leads to muddy sound. West Tech Services rebuilt mine for exactly this problem and did and excellent job. For a long time nobody would touch these cartridges, but thankfully now they can be professionally rebuilt. From s.cummings4738 at att.net Mon Sep 7 07:59:29 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Mon Sep 7 08:01:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wayyyyyyyy too much bass In-Reply-To: <496850.55759.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <2144692762-1252302202-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856374678-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><496850.55759.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1532666043-1252335568-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1018368966-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Pickup is in "good" shape. Was in the family, so I know it wasn't abused, but age may have done some damage (I mean, it hadn't played a record in 25 years). I'll definitely try plugging in another component. I don't have a turntable, but I have a cassette deck and CD player, both with RCA outs. I realize that they're automatically going to sound "better" but I should be able to identify the source of the issue that way. You know, I do troubleshooting for a living; you'd think I would have thought of that right away. I've heard about the West Tech rebuilds. I actually have 2 complete pickups (yay me!) so I'll probably ship them one and see how it sounds when it comes back. Any idea as to cost? I've heard it's not cheap. Thanks for the help! -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 07:48:50 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wayyyyyyyy too much bass --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Scott Cummings wrote: > Spent the night listening to my > (almost) finished Seeburg A, and after many varieties of > (converted to play) 45s, I can say withought doubt that this > thing has entirely too much bass. What kind of shape is the pickup in? Is it the original Pickering "black head"? I got one off Ebay once on which a previous owner had applied silicone bathroom caulking around the stylus cantilevers. Needless to say, it sounded awful, and with almost zero compliance would jump out of the groove at any loud passage of music. A good way to check the amp it to plug a regular turntable into it (assuming the turntable is stereo, just pick one channel). How does that sound? If it sounds better, then the pickup will probably need to be rebuilt. One of the problems with the Pickering pickup is that the stylus cantilever can become detached from the magnet armature, and so the magnet is no longer centered in the coil. This leads to muddy sound. West Tech Services rebuilt mine for exactly this problem and did and excellent job. For a long time nobody would touch these cartridges, but thankfully now they can be professionally rebuilt. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 08:39:45 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Sep 7 08:41:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wayyyyyyyy too much bass In-Reply-To: <1532666043-1252335568-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1018368966-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <207611.54912.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Scott Cummings wrote: > I'll definitely try plugging in another component. I don't > have a turntable, but I have a cassette deck and CD player, > both with RCA outs. Remember that devices with "line level" outputs put out a much stronger signal than (magnetic) phono or microphone level outputs. Use a device with an output volume control, and start with it turned all the way down. > I realize that they're automatically > going to sound "better" but I should be able to identify the> source of the issue that way. You know, I do troubleshooting > for a living; you'd think I would have thought of that right > away. No, my bill paying gig is as a Technical Architect at AT&T. I work in the team that runs the att.com web site. We have hundreds of Sun servers to take care of, and I overlook seeminly obvious things every day. That's why it can't be a one-man show. :-) > I've heard about the West Tech rebuilds. I actually have 2 > complete pickups (yay me!) so I'll probably ship them one > and see how it sounds when it comes back. Any idea as to > cost? I've heard it's not cheap. I don't know the cost. Mine was the first he did, so he did it sort of on spec in exchange for the second pickup. I paid about $150 for that off ebay (not knowing how it had been butchered), so he may have got the better part of the deal, although he had to find a way to get all that silicone out of it. I think his regular price is less than $100. He was going to rebuild the VR-II on my RCA transcription turntable and I think he quoted be about $75 plus parts. I just keep putting it off. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 08:55:59 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 7 08:57:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wayyyyyyyy too much bass In-Reply-To: <2144692762-1252302202-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856374678-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <847276.85896.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, Way too little info to answer this question-- Which cartridge--which amp, how long has it been since the amp was rebuilt ? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wayyyyyyyy too much bass To: "Jukebox List" Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 10:43 PM Spent the night listening to my (almost) finished Seeburg A, and after many varieties of (converted to play) 45s, I can say withought doubt that this thing has entirely too much bass. Treble is set to high end and bass on step #2 (#1 gives no bass). Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 09:43:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 7 09:45:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wayyyyyyyy too much bass In-Reply-To: <9A5DDBAD96A043D084BE43F0D2FEF447@ChadLT> Message-ID: <546565.44637.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Have you checked the "squelch switch" on the mech ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/7/09, CC wrote: From: CC Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wayyyyyyyy too much bass To: s.cummings4738@att.net, "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 5:10 AM I would like to trade problems with you, my HF100G & MRA4 hardly has any bass at all, I've been tinkering with R7, and caps with no luck. What MRA are you using? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Scott Cummings Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:43 AM To: Jukebox List Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wayyyyyyyy too much bass Spent the night listening to my (almost) finished Seeburg A, and after many varieties of (converted to play) 45s, I can say withought doubt that this thing has entirely too much bass. Treble is set to high end and bass on step #2 (#1 gives no bass). Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 7 09:50:50 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 7 09:54:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a 1940 Rockola Super Jukebox and 1906 cran k Victor phono? Message-ID: <20090907.125050.12283.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Ron In my collection of jukebox paperwork, I have a 4 pg black and white ad from Rock Ola that pitched their Mystic Music system to vending operators. It doesn't give many tech details other than to say it required the establishment to have a dedicated phone line to the RO office where the phone operator/dj's were located. This service goes back before my time. The terminals at the establishment end could be either dedicated, stand-alone terminals for the phone service or the terminal could be integrated into the cabinet of an RO "Super" jukebox. Dana's inquiry about an RO Super jukebox and his questioning about it being a record player made me think of this. One of my customers has a wallbox-style station for a phone-in music service called the Shyvers Multiphone. I did a little research for him and found that the Shyvers was a regionally-based music service in the 40's up in the Washington-Oregon area. I'm under the impression that these phone-based music services didn't endure for long as a business venture. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find loans exclusively for members of our military. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdyOs3z3vseS4Y0XSxeM0c0HFPKboUmW2LfHbIaNrVlh4UOhUOXB2/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 10:42:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 7 10:43:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a 1940 Rockola Super Jukebox and 1906 cran k Victor phono? In-Reply-To: <20090907.125050.12283.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <846925.1232.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, The phone based stuff was a little before my time also--remember hearing ("over" -hearing?) discussion(s) of it from time to time, and it seems to run in my mind that WW-II "killed it"--maybe no "operators" were available ?--but then again, I seem to remember another discussion that it "was a winner---till-- Seeburg went and messed it up with a 100 selection coin phono" ??? Ron --- On Mon, 9/7/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Value of a 1940 Rockola Super Jukebox and 1906 cran k Victor phono? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 9:50 AM Ron In my collection of jukebox paperwork, I have a 4 pg black and white ad from Rock Ola that pitched their Mystic Music system to vending operators.? ???It doesn't give many tech details other than to say it required the establishment to have a dedicated? phone line to the RO office where the phone operator/dj's were located.? ? This service goes back before my time. The terminals at the establishment end could be either dedicated, stand-alone terminals for the phone service or the terminal could be integrated into the cabinet of an RO "Super" jukebox.???Dana's inquiry about an RO Super jukebox and his questioning about it being a record player? made me think of this.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???One of my customers has a wallbox-style station for a phone-in music service called the Shyvers Multiphone.? ? I did a little research for him and found that the Shyvers was a regionally-based music service in the 40's up in the Washington-Oregon area. I'm under the impression that these phone-based music services didn't endure for long as a business venture. Jim Alexander? ____________________________________________________________ Find loans exclusively for members of our military. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdyOs3z3vseS4Y0XSxeM0c0HFPKboUmW2LfHbIaNrVlh4UOhUOXB2/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 7 10:53:16 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 7 10:56:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Neddle pressue (Wurlitzer 1900 and 2300) Message-ID: <20090907.135316.29816.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hello Chris: The 50's Wurl. 45 RPM jukeboxes used the green color Zenith cobra cartridge which has a 1 mil stylus tip and was suitable for tracking mono 45's. Wurlitzer recommended a 12 gram tracking force, considered very heavy by today's standards. I don't know of any way to measure the tracking weight of a vertical-play tone arm other than using the PK Neuses guage. If you're careful, you can set it by trial-and-error. It's generally possible to successfully track one of these cobra pickups as light as 7 grams which will cause less record wear. There are a small number of manufacturers that are making replacement Cobra cartridges, retrofitted with a .7mil stylus, the correct size to track stereo discs. These are still mono-element cartridges that have fairly stiff vertical compliance, but these will play your stereo 45's without the modulation distortion heard when using the original-style needles. There's a problem with the damping material/glue used to hold the stylus/transducer assembly into it's plastic housing. As it ages, it dries out, causing tracking and sound problems. This is why I don't recommend buying new old stock that has been sitting on someone's shelf for 20 years. Another issue that some of these cobra replicators are issuing a poor quality product. The best,most consistent quality I've seen comes from a European manufacturer (name unknown) that makes small production runs of the cobra cartridge using a .7 mil diamond tip stylus. These have a red/green housing. In the US, this stylus is sold by online dealer www.needles4jukeboxes.com. There are probably other marketers selling these. Another approach to this problem used by Wurlitzer owners is to replace the cobra pickup with a modern stereo ceramic or magnetic element cartridge. This solves the record wear problem and assures you of the continued availability of new stylii when needed. It is a fairly labor-intense project, however. This will involve either replacing or cutting/fitting the original tone arm for the newer cartridge. The tone arm counterweights usually need to be changed or modified. It will require some minor electronic modifications to the input circuitry of your W1900 amp, as the circuits supporting the cobra cartridge are unique. Be certain to select a technically-correct phono cartridge that is in widespread use to assure future availabilty. Good luck with your project, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Handyman Franchises. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbiOIx9FpeM3N030115xm4N2yFQjduYjNq0XezlM1qFYRcZ7BPcVC/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 7 10:59:15 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 7 11:03:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a 1940 Rockola Super Jukebox and 1906 cran k Victor phono? Message-ID: <20090907.135915.29816.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Ron: Those are all plausible ideas. I'm sure that WWII and Seeburg's model A were factors that affected the pay-for-play music over a phone line business. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Walk on the well placed warmth of radiant heating. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTSxMVUso4jBGYJabdzc8JVpEfZQyDOPEUZVHwzszmdb1PcWwOB0U/ From jukebox918 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 11:02:51 2009 From: jukebox918 at yahoo.com (John F) Date: Mon Sep 7 11:04:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <947441.76535.qm@web113004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim & J.C. It appears (to someone not technically trained) that the problem MAY be the connector plug on the photocell / optocoupler board.? As the record basket?was turning and the red led light?was not blinking, I applied a little pressure to the top of the white connector plug and the red led light worked, but it won't stay on.? I pulled the connector off and cleaned the copper strips attached to the board....no improvement.? I took a pair of tweezers and tried?to move each of the 4 wires running into the white connector plug and the red led light came back on.....but wouldn't stay on. ? A friend said that these type wires can be removed from the connector plug and "adjusted".? He also indicated that there is no solder on this type of connection.? If this is the problem, how do you "adjust" the wires or the contact point inside the plug? John Fitzgerald --- On Sat, 9/5/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 8:15 PM Actually the later Rockola jukes use an optocoupler with an? led built? in. on my Rockola 490-1 there is also a red LED on the optocoupler? board that blinks showing that the optocoupler is counting as the? basket turns. He could check for that red led to be lit and blinking when the? basket is turning. if it is working I agree that its a CPU issue or a dirty? contact where it connects to the CPU. If the optocoupler is not working its? either not getting voltage(no red led light) or something's wrong with the? optocoupler(more likely some dirt blocking the light from shining through) J.C. In a message dated 9/4/2009 9:14:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? jalexandercc@netzero.net writes: Hello John: Welcome to this group.? ? The? 80's era Rockola vinyl-playing jukes use a photocell and lamp arrangement at? the record basket. This device counts the number of record slots as the basket? rotates, resetting to zero when the basket is at the "home" position.??? If the lamp/photocell isn't working the digital CPU is not getting? any information as to the position of the record changer.? This is? one of the most common failures to look for when this symptom? happens.???If the lamp/photocell is working, most likely the problem? rests in the CPU electronics.? ? Your jukebox service manual? should give you some other troubleshooting hints to help you identify the? problem component.? Hope this helps, Jim? Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Improve? your career health. Click now to study? nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWqfI0F8xlyFYOL4IZNLtsl UGXfWCifBYXC8Ueb01WDXFog1GTiRy/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list? mailing? list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 11:09:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 7 11:11:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number In-Reply-To: <947441.76535.qm@web113004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <966536.94275.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, By chance, is that connector a black colored item?? There are many type connectors that could fit your description. And how did yu "clean" the board ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/7/09, John F wrote: From: John F Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 11:02 AM Jim & J.C. It appears (to someone not technically trained) that the problem MAY be the connector plug on the photocell / optocoupler board.? As the record basket?was turning and the red led light?was not blinking, I applied a little pressure to the top of the white connector plug and the red led light worked, but it won't stay on.? I pulled the connector off and cleaned the copper strips attached to the board....no improvement.? I took a pair of tweezers and tried?to move each of the 4 wires running into the white connector plug and the red led light came back on.....but wouldn't stay on. ? A friend said that these type wires can be removed from the connector plug and "adjusted".? He also indicated that there is no solder on this type of connection.? If this is the problem, how do you "adjust" the wires or the contact point inside the plug? John Fitzgerald --- On Sat, 9/5/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 8:15 PM Actually the later Rockola jukes use an optocoupler with an? led built? in. on my Rockola 490-1 there is also a red LED on the optocoupler? board that blinks showing that the optocoupler is counting as the? basket turns. He could check for that red led to be lit and blinking when the? basket is turning. if it is working I agree that its a CPU issue or a dirty? contact where it connects to the CPU. If the optocoupler is not working its? either not getting voltage(no red led light) or something's wrong with the? optocoupler(more likely some dirt blocking the light from shining through) J.C. In a message dated 9/4/2009 9:14:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? jalexandercc@netzero.net writes: Hello John: Welcome to this group.? ? The? 80's era Rockola vinyl-playing jukes use a photocell and lamp arrangement at? the record basket. This device counts the number of record slots as the basket? rotates, resetting to zero when the basket is at the "home" position.??? If the lamp/photocell isn't working the digital CPU is not getting? any information as to the position of the record changer.? This is? one of the most common failures to look for when this symptom? happens.???If the lamp/photocell is working, most likely the problem? rests in the CPU electronics.? ? Your jukebox service manual? should give you some other troubleshooting hints to help you identify the? problem component.? Hope this helps, Jim? Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Improve? your career health. Click now to study? nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWqfI0F8xlyFYOL4IZNLtsl UGXfWCifBYXC8Ueb01WDXFog1GTiRy/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list? mailing? list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukebox918 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 12:30:31 2009 From: jukebox918 at yahoo.com (John F) Date: Mon Sep 7 12:32:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number In-Reply-To: <966536.94275.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <767972.83288.qm@web113001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, I've just sent you a photo of the Rockola 496 photocell board with white connector. ? When I pulled the white connector plug off the board, I sprayed Philips brand "computer/tuner cleaner & wash" on Q-tip and gently wiped each of the copper contacts twice (don't have any Deoxit at present). John Fitzgerald --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 6:09 PM John, By chance, is that connector a black colored item?? There are many type connectors that could fit your description. And how did yu "clean" the board ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/7/09, John F wrote: From: John F Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 11:02 AM Jim & J.C. It appears (to someone not technically trained) that the problem MAY be the connector plug on the photocell / optocoupler board.? As the record basket?was turning and the red led light?was not blinking, I applied a little pressure to the top of the white connector plug and the red led light worked, but it won't stay on.? I pulled the connector off and cleaned the copper strips attached to the board....no improvement.? I took a pair of tweezers and tried?to move each of the 4 wires running into the white connector plug and the red led light came back on.....but wouldn't stay on. ? A friend said that these type wires can be removed from the connector plug and "adjusted".? He also indicated that there is no solder on this type of connection.? If this is the problem, how do you "adjust" the wires or the contact point inside the plug? John Fitzgerald --- On Sat, 9/5/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 8:15 PM Actually the later Rockola jukes use an optocoupler with an? led built? in. on my Rockola 490-1 there is also a red LED on the optocoupler? board that blinks showing that the optocoupler is counting as the? basket turns. He could check for that red led to be lit and blinking when the? basket is turning. if it is working I agree that its a CPU issue or a dirty? contact where it connects to the CPU. If the optocoupler is not working its? either not getting voltage(no red led light) or something's wrong with the? optocoupler(more likely some dirt blocking the light from shining through) J.C. In a message dated 9/4/2009 9:14:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? jalexandercc@netzero.net writes: Hello John: Welcome to this group.? ? The? 80's era Rockola vinyl-playing jukes use a photocell and lamp arrangement at? the record basket. This device counts the number of record slots as the basket? rotates, resetting to zero when the basket is at the "home" position.??? If the lamp/photocell isn't working the digital CPU is not getting? any information as to the position of the record changer.? This is? one of the most common failures to look for when this symptom? happens.???If the lamp/photocell is working, most likely the problem? rests in the CPU electronics.? ? Your jukebox service manual? should give you some other troubleshooting hints to help you identify the? problem component.? Hope this helps, Jim? Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Improve? your career health. 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In-Reply-To: <20090907.135915.29816.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <843027.50371.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 9/7/09, James Alexander wrote: > Those are all plausible ideas. I'm sure > that WWII and Seeburg's model A were factors that affected > the pay-for-play music over a phone line business. I haven't heard anything other than that these central-station type music services ran their course in a couple years and died in the late 1930s. It sounds like an unsustainable business model. You have to have a dedicated turntable and a leased (and one would assume balanced) phone line to each location, and enough DJs to handle all the traffic. There was reportedly a high turnover in labor because of the abuse the women would receive from inebriated patrons. Dealing with abusive callers was a major part of operator training in the Bell System, and there was a staff of psychiatrists working to research the problem and come up with training materials to deal with it. I doubt these organizations had the resources or inclination to devote much to that process. It just has all the earmarks of an enterprise that looked good on paper but couldn't survive the practicalities of daily operation. The ironic thing is that AMI now has jukeboxes that play music from a central library, but it's all done by computer. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 7 14:44:03 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 7 14:47:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number Message-ID: <20090907.174403.14766.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> John: if you are sure that the exposed male pin contacts are dirty, cleaning them with a clean rubber pencil eraser (using a gentle rubbing action)can be more effective than using contact cleaner. The Caig De Oxit cleaner is considered one of the best because it does not contain a lubricating agent. Most other control/contact cleaners do. What will happen is that the lubricating agent becomes tacky with age, and attracts dirt and dust. This requires more and more frequent cleanings. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZnAUSBq15JHqurbe4dUzxN77lX5EaGJzJWZVJ0fM8Ci0RPU5eRu4/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 15:07:05 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 7 15:08:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number In-Reply-To: <767972.83288.qm@web113001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <987963.48503.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, Got it--3rd time now--- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/7/09, John F wrote: From: John F Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 12:30 PM Hi Ron, I've just sent you a photo of the Rockola 496 photocell board with white connector. ? When I pulled the white connector plug off the board, I sprayed Philips brand "computer/tuner cleaner & wash" on Q-tip and gently wiped each of the copper contacts twice (don't have any Deoxit at present). John Fitzgerald --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 6:09 PM John, By chance, is that connector a black colored item?? There are many type connectors that could fit your description. And how did yu "clean" the board ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/7/09, John F wrote: From: John F Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 11:02 AM Jim & J.C. It appears (to someone not technically trained) that the problem MAY be the connector plug on the photocell / optocoupler board.? As the record basket?was turning and the red led light?was not blinking, I applied a little pressure to the top of the white connector plug and the red led light worked, but it won't stay on.? I pulled the connector off and cleaned the copper strips attached to the board....no improvement.? I took a pair of tweezers and tried?to move each of the 4 wires running into the white connector plug and the red led light came back on.....but wouldn't stay on. ? A friend said that these type wires can be removed from the connector plug and "adjusted".? He also indicated that there is no solder on this type of connection.? If this is the problem, how do you "adjust" the wires or the contact point inside the plug? John Fitzgerald --- On Sat, 9/5/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 496 won't stop at selected number To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 8:15 PM Actually the later Rockola jukes use an optocoupler with an? led built? in. on my Rockola 490-1 there is also a red LED on the optocoupler? board that blinks showing that the optocoupler is counting as the? basket turns. He could check for that red led to be lit and blinking when the? basket is turning. if it is working I agree that its a CPU issue or a dirty? contact where it connects to the CPU. If the optocoupler is not working its? either not getting voltage(no red led light) or something's wrong with the? optocoupler(more likely some dirt blocking the light from shining through) J.C. In a message dated 9/4/2009 9:14:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? jalexandercc@netzero.net writes: Hello John: Welcome to this group.? ? The? 80's era Rockola vinyl-playing jukes use a photocell and lamp arrangement at? the record basket. This device counts the number of record slots as the basket? rotates, resetting to zero when the basket is at the "home" position.??? If the lamp/photocell isn't working the digital CPU is not getting? any information as to the position of the record changer.? This is? one of the most common failures to look for when this symptom? happens.???If the lamp/photocell is working, most likely the problem? rests in the CPU electronics.? ? Your jukebox service manual? should give you some other troubleshooting hints to help you identify the? problem component.? Hope this helps, Jim? Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Improve? your career health. Click now to study? nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWqfI0F8xlyFYOL4IZNLtsl UGXfWCifBYXC8Ueb01WDXFog1GTiRy/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list? mailing? list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 7 15:20:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 7 15:23:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a 1940 Rockola Super Jukebox and 1906 cran k Victor phono? Message-ID: <20090907.182046.1622.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Hello David: Rowe developed the E Cast broadband music system, which has become the preferred platform for today's on-line jukebox terminals. Most jukebox manufacturers use this system. There are a few other less popular networks out there as well. The juke operator subscribes to the system for a monthly payment and can order different levels of service (good,better, best) like subscribing to cable or satellite TV. There can be upwards of 200,000 song choices. There can be music video playback if the location chooses it. E Cast can take care of bookkeeping functions and remunirate ASCAP/BMI performance fees to the proper agencies. I'm only aware of the 30's-40's era phone-based music system based on old paperwork and ads that I've seen. Like you said, it seems like a labor-intense effort (that had other problems) that would be hard to support at a nickel-per-play. I mentioned in an earlier letter that one of my customers got their hands on a couple of old coach-lamp-shaped wallboxes that had coin mechs, speakers,a microphone,no selector buttons and a fairly big title program (about 150 selections) based on their age. He asked me to find out what these were. They turned out to be wallboxes for the Shyvers Multiphone system, a phone based music service located in the Pacific Northwest. I couldn't find out what years this business was in operation. Somehow these well-kept wallboxes made it to Georgia. Judging from the age of the songtitles remaining, it looks like these wallboxes were in use as late as in the early 50's prior to rock n' roll music becoming popular. Pop songtitles on the boxes were Tenessee Waltz--Patti Page, Stars Get In Your Eyes--Perry Como, Because of You--Tony Bennett, Vaya Con Dios--Les Paul/Mary Ford etc. By the way, many of the new computer-terminal jukes don't even have a coin or dollar bill mech anymore. They have credit card readers for payment. The going rate seems to be 2 plays for $1 right now. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Shop & save on the supplements you want. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbZWdZGBun7ZSR70xGZ5ybiHGZ91aTb5pRdasogkm8y1UB8WZGNwM/ From robinmata at kc.rr.com Mon Sep 7 16:05:55 2009 From: robinmata at kc.rr.com (Robin Mata) Date: Mon Sep 7 16:08:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "I-120" Ready for Paint Message-ID: <006001ca300f$c1972030$44c56090$@rr.com> I spent the weekend stripping the rest of the stainless off of the exterior and removing the Mechanism from the unit. Spent the afternoon sanding and now I have it taped off and ready to paint. I am going to do the Black first. I was thinking about doing the interior of the cabinet in a Flat black and the exterior sides and back in a Satin or Semi-Gloss Black. Any recommendations? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 16:18:41 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 7 16:20:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "the Rest of the (Ecast) Story"-- In-Reply-To: <20090907.182046.1622.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <425509.86504.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, I think that you are way off on this---here is my understanding of the story--- Going from my great, but not too long memory---"(T)ouch Tunes", a Canadian Company, backed by the CDN government, was first. They produced a "downloader" and got the PRO licenses at least a year prior.? Ecast was started here, in San Francisco, with the idea to provide down-loads to commercial establishments. They got the licenses for it and jukes independent of what was then RoweAMi. Ecast approached RoweAMi (and as I understand it, other juke companies) with the offer to provide the tech backing and download service.. RoweAMi took them up on it, but insisted that it be an exclusive for 5 years. The deal was done, and for 5 years, no other company used Ecast, in the USA.? After the 5 years, Ecast MAY (?) have been greedy, as they signed deals with other companies. Meanwhile, during that time, RoweAMi independently developed a download service that they sold in Europe. Rowe kept using Ecast for about another year, while dickering for the music licenses here. Once a deal had been made with the music publishers, Rowe AMi quit using Ecast, in the USA, and formed their own music supply company, called "ami". Today, the company that owns "ami" and "Rowe", and the "Rock-ola" trademarks operates from Mexico, and builds ( or has "built in China") all their own "stuff". Ecast still supplies content to early RoweAMi and RockOla phonos--but --I don't think that they are growing much--if at all, as I understand that "Wurlitzer" is going to ( or has gone to) ami also-- I "consulted" with a couple of "guys" who were very secretive about their funding, and where they "came from". Their idea was to add advertising to the system--"--Ecast--maybe--". They "left town", owing me ( and I understand others) a small amount of money---- Oh, Credit card readers are optional--bill acceptors are still available, and as far as I know "standard" on most, if not all Rowe/Rock units (as I understand it, "operators" hate having "more fingers in the pie"). Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/7/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Value of a 1940 Rockola Super Jukebox and 1906 cran k Victor phono? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 3:20 PM Hello David: Rowe developed the E Cast? broadband music system, which has become the preferred platform for today's on-line jukebox terminals.???Most jukebox manufacturers use this system. There are a few other less popular networks out there as well.? ? The juke operator subscribes to the system for a monthly payment and can order different levels of service? (good,better, best) like subscribing to cable or satellite TV. There can be upwards of 200,000 song choices. There can be music video playback if the location chooses it.???E Cast can take care of bookkeeping functions and remunirate ASCAP/BMI performance fees to the proper agencies. I'm only aware of the 30's-40's era phone-based music system based on old paperwork and ads that I've seen. Like you said, it seems like a labor-intense effort (that had other problems) that would be hard to support at a nickel-per-play. ? I mentioned in an earlier letter that one of my customers got their hands on a couple of old coach-lamp-shaped wallboxes that had coin mechs, speakers,a microphone,no selector buttons and a fairly big title program (about 150 selections) based on their age.? He asked me to find out what these were.? They turned out to be wallboxes for the Shyvers Multiphone system, a phone based music service located in the Pacific Northwest.? I couldn't find out what years this business was in operation.? Somehow these well-kept wallboxes made it to Georgia. Judging from the age of the songtitles remaining, it looks like these wallboxes were in use as late as in the early 50's prior to rock n' roll music becoming popular.? ? Pop songtitles on the boxes were Tenessee Waltz--Patti Page,???Stars Get In Your Eyes--Perry Como,? Because of You--Tony Bennett,???Vaya Con Dios--Les Paul/Mary Ford etc.? By the way, many of the new computer-terminal jukes don't even have a coin or dollar bill mech anymore.???They have credit card readers for payment.???The going rate seems to be 2 plays for $1 right now. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Shop & save on the supplements you want. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbZWdZGBun7ZSR70xGZ5ybiHGZ91aTb5pRdasogkm8y1UB8WZGNwM/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 16:28:10 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Sep 7 16:29:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "the Rest of the (Ecast) Story"-- In-Reply-To: <425509.86504.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <896182.84291.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> When Seeburg's last incarnation went under, they were promoting a jukebox that held many songs on hard disks and could download others on demand. As far as I know, it never made it to market. Could they have been talking to Ecast as well? David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 16:37:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 7 16:39:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "the Rest of the (Ecast) Story"-- In-Reply-To: <896182.84291.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <91942.34716.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, I saw an offer from "Seeburg" "Downloaders" or "Downloading", or something of that nature, about two months ago on eBay--they were using the old 50's logo, that I think was only used for a couple of years, very tall "stand-up" lettering--I did not pay close atten. to it-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/7/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "the Rest of the (Ecast) Story"-- To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 4:28 PM When Seeburg's last incarnation went under, they were promoting a jukebox that held many songs on hard disks and could download others on demand.? As far as I know, it never made it to market. Could they have been talking to Ecast as well? David Breneman? ? ? ???david_breneman@yahoo.com ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 7 17:22:01 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 7 17:25:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "the Rest of the (Ecast) Story"-- Message-ID: <20090907.202201.5307.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Ron: Obviously you are more plugged into the fine details of this situation than I am. I am aware that the Touch Tunes and NSM download jukes each operate their own music platforms, and that they both have some US presence. I was aware that Rowe had a relationship with E Cast and that at some point Rock Ola, still an independent company, dropped the digital platform used in their earlier units and adopted E Cast, supposedly because operators preferred it. Recent Rock ola lit. that I've seen show their downloading machine as coming with a card reader as standard equipment. A bill accepter and/or coin mech needs to be ordered as an accessory. As I understand it, Rowe has recently acquired RockOla.,and is moving (has moved) their manufacturing base to Mexico. Wurlitzer introduced their Digital Princess juke into their comm'l line, which is an E Cast based unit. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdjjBFuosi6EBhcV0foNpYO5zyPFcS7TDQ8rrnW3vdJkrxT04qhvq/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Sep 7 17:29:37 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Mon Sep 7 17:31:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vintage NSM parts Message-ID: Just listed some Vintage NSM parts from my Satellite 200 on Ebay. Search for Vintage NSM. Good luck. Rich From ebayinjapan at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 20:09:42 2009 From: ebayinjapan at yahoo.com (Christian Fischer) Date: Mon Sep 7 20:11:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 speakers Message-ID: <368934.95542.qm@web46208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Dear all, With the help of Jay, I moved a good step forward regarding the speakers to be seen in the links below. http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv79/Chris_in_Japan/Speaker/pic1.jpg http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv79/Chris_in_Japan/Speaker/pic2.jpg http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv79/Chris_in_Japan/Speaker/pic3.jpg http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv79/Chris_in_Japan/Speaker/pic4.jpg These are two Magnavox 12" speakers, produced in the 15th week of 1960 for a Wurlitzer organ. I bought them recently and I am wondering if somebody in the community knows more about these speakers to tell me how close are to the original two #62492 woofers and the single #62493 midrange of the Wurlitzers 1900. I can only add that based on pictures of OEM speakers on W1900, my organ speaker look identical in terms of size & shape - but this is all I know and therefore can not tell how suitable are for the W1900. And if lucky, if as a woofer or rather as a midrange... Any info/advice will be welcomed! Many thanks and kind regards from Tokyo. Chris. From ebayinjapan at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 20:22:31 2009 From: ebayinjapan at yahoo.com (Christian Fischer) Date: Mon Sep 7 20:24:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Needle pressure (Wurlitzer 1900 and 2300) Message-ID: <947788.88055.qm@web46209.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks Jim! I realized that this "7 grams" measurement is certainly not easy and I just bought a small precision digital weight that should help me to set it fairly close. My records are cheap reissues but anyway some threads talking about record-dust "snowing" down from the cartridge shocked me somehow! I was also thinking about the possibility of starting with "zero+ grams" and just increasing the pressure step-by-step until the arm does not "jump" anymore and stop there... Does make sense? The cartridge I bought (for the W1900) is the one that Steve Loos (Victory Glass) offers. Fully ignorant on this field, I have now idea how good (or bad) is. I just know that is an Astatic 97-1... Whatever it is, I am happy to read from you that 0.7 mil are quite "safe" for stereo vinyls! Even if I do not use the juke every day, I would like to have the records for a while! Kind regards from Japan. Chris. From ebayinjapan at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 20:32:10 2009 From: ebayinjapan at yahoo.com (Christian Fischer) Date: Mon Sep 7 20:33:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900: Tone-arm Message-ID: <707187.95229.qm@web46216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello everybody, I have this ugly golden tone-arm in my Wurlitzer 1900, likely coming from a Wurlitzer 2204 as Jay suggested me. I have also a spray can on my table to paint it back to the original greenish blue but I am reluctant since it will hardly work! I took a picture of the fan-shaped record holder and chose from standard colors on the shop's shelf with it! Will never work... Color will NEVER match!!! Therefore, the "last call" to the community: does somebody has somewhere an original W1900 tone-arm (plastic cover alone or complete arm) that is ready to sell it to me? I contacted almost every known Juke dealer (Steve, Bill, John, Vern, ...) and failed so far, therefore the call to owners & collectors! Many thanks and kind regards! Chris. From jay at west.net Mon Sep 7 20:38:19 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Sep 7 20:39:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Needle pressure (Wurlitzer 1900 and 2300) In-Reply-To: <947788.88055.qm@web46209.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <947788.88055.qm@web46209.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AA5D1AB.7010201@west.net> Christian Fischer wrote: > Thanks Jim! > > I realized that this "7 grams" measurement is certainly not easy and I just bought a small precision digital weight that should help me to set it fairly close. My records are cheap reissues but anyway some threads talking about record-dust "snowing" down from the cartridge shocked me somehow! I was also thinking about the possibility of starting with "zero+ grams" and just increasing the pressure step-by-step until the arm does not "jump" anymore and stop there... Does make sense? One possible way would be with a thread, a pulley or pivot, and a 7-gram weight. Tie the thread and weight to the tonearm adjacent to the needle and hold the thread horizontal over a smooth rod or pulley so that the weight pulls against the spring. adjust until it balances. The small pulleys used on old radio dial cords would be suitable but a smooth rod should work as long as it doesn't present much friction to the thread. The PK Neuses gauge is far easier. > The cartridge I bought (for the W1900) is the one that Steve Loos (Victory Glass) offers. Fully ignorant on this field, I have now idea how good (or bad) is. I just know that is an Astatic 97-1... Whatever it is, I am happy to read from you that 0.7 mil are quite "safe" for stereo vinyls! Even if I do not use the juke every day, I would like to have the records for a while! There are two factors. The tip diameter is one but vertical compliance is also important for proper tracking of stereo records. None of the Cobras are designed for stereo vertical compliance but some samples may be adequate to prevent damage. If your intent is to keep this box as original as possible, you're pretty much stuck with the Cobra. The recent replacements described in an earlier post from needles4jukeboxes.com are probably your best bet. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Mon Sep 7 20:42:22 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Sep 7 20:43:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900: Tone-arm In-Reply-To: <707187.95229.qm@web46216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <707187.95229.qm@web46216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AA5D29E.4020108@west.net> Christian Fischer wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I have this ugly golden tone-arm in my Wurlitzer 1900, likely coming from a Wurlitzer 2204 as Jay suggested me. > > I have also a spray can on my table to paint it back to the original greenish blue but I am reluctant since it will hardly work! I took a picture of the fan-shaped record holder and chose from standard colors on the shop's shelf with it! Will never work... Color will NEVER match!!! If you're unable to come up with an original, try this: Unbolt the fan and take it to an automotive paint shop. They should be able to match it and sell you either a custom can of spray paint or liquid paint that can be used with an airbrush. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 7 21:22:16 2009 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Mon Sep 7 21:23:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 1458/6 mono cartrifge stylus ? Message-ID: Hi, all, I have the ROM 1464 wall mount juke which uses the same 120 play mech as the full size 1458. Does anyone make a stereo compliant stylus for the cartridge that is in the tone arm (I believe it's an Astatic 51)? If I put in the P132-D I have, will I need to make mods to the amp or arm? To bridge the stereo terminals, just jumper the + together and the - together then just connect the 2 wires to one side of the cart (watching the phasing), is that correct? Would rather just replace the stylus in the original cart if that can be done (like with the mono Seeburgs that can use that new L shaped compliant needle). Thank you, Rick. From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 21:32:17 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Sep 7 21:39:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DS-160 parts available... Message-ID: I had hoped to sell this juke to somebody who would fix it up, but since I haven't had a single call, I will strip this one out and take the cabinet to the dump in about 7-10 days. Likewise with a Rowe JAL and a nice Wurly 2510 also advertised on Craigslist. Possibly even a Wurly 3310S, though I may still hang onto this one. These are all nice jukes that will clean up nice. I simply have no time for any of these projects in the foreseeable future (looking out 3 years), and I need to clear out at least some space for some other incoming pinballs that I expect to acquire over the next two months (picking up one tomorrow in Arlington). All of these are extra clean for their age, and I really hate to see their demise via parting them out... But storage space is not cheap enough for me to justify keeping them intact... :( Thought I'd throw this out to list members before I kill them... Here is a link to the DS-160... http://houston.craigslist.org/for/1360016315.html (general for sale) If you need photos of any part or of any of the other jukes mentioned, please contact me off-list -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 7 21:36:43 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 7 21:39:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900: Tone-arm Message-ID: <20090908.003643.5771.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: A couple of suggestions that might help Chris out: It sounds like Chris is doing business with Steve Loots @ Victory Glass. I'm not sure about the blue-green color needed for a W1900 but Victory Glass does sell many exact match spray paint colors. Even with the international shipment this might be more economical than attempting a custom paint mix from a body shop. Gold color tone arms were used on both the 2200 and 2500 jukes. Most of the 2500 models (I'm aware of) are the stereo tone arms intended for a Sonotone 8T cartridge instead of the mono cobra. I believe the 2500 was the last year that there was a mono-sound jukebox offered. A stereo tone arm from a later juke (painted to match) is probably needed if Chris is considering the cartridge upgrade. The Astatic 97-1 repl. cobra cartridge comes equipped with a 1 mil sapphire stylus. Is it green in color? If yes, you have a sapphire needle. Astatic did make a 97-1D which was the longer-lasting diamond tip version of the cartridge. This cartridge housing was gold in color. Retailers always seem to have more of the green cartridges to sell. Astatic quit manufacturing the 97-1's several years ago. This is likely new old stock. The 1 mil needles will have difficulty tracking highly modulated stereo recordings. The 7 gram tracking weight with the Cobra is the lightest you can track the cartridge and still operate the trip-off microswitch without having needle skip. I Found this out through a lot of trial-and-error. The other condition to look (listen?) for is distortion when tracking loud passages of mono records. Tracking the cobra too lightly will cause distortion/breakup. The European made .7 mil cobra replacements do track loud stereo recordings quite well with minimal distortion and record damage. The quality control (the sound character from cartridge to cartridge) is a lot more consistent than with the more recent Astatic-built versions. If you want to retain the Cobra pickup as original,and play stereo discs these are worth their higher price. Technically, the best thing you can do for best sound performance and long record life is install a more modern cartridge, but it is a labor-intense project to do it right. Jim Alexander Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6vefADSMbkH07rL9L0okXyUOI1kfzJ72Te1BJdEPFHLPlKj5k8/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 7 21:37:32 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 7 21:40:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 speakers Message-ID: <20090908.003732.5771.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hello Chris: The sound systems used in older US Wurlitzer jukeboxes are very similar in design to their electronic organ sound systems. Some components are shared among jukeboxes and organs. It's a little difficult to tell from your photos which speakers are which. In general, to obtain a full rich sound Wurlitzer used 1 (or more) 12" woofers, 1 (or more) 12" mid-range speakers, that have an overlapping frequency response are used, crossed over to a 5" closed-back cone tweeter. The tweeter is connected through a high-pass network. The 1st photo showing the curvilinear cones of 2 matching speakers are most likely mid range speakers. The mid range speakers are equipped with lightweight, taut cone structures with a stiff suspension. The mid range speakers are connected to the full range audio line from the amp output along with the 12" woofer. Speakers are connected in a series-parallel arrangement to provide an impedance match to the amplifier. The later model Wurlitzer jukes (model 2300-up) used 1 woofer, 1 mid range and 1 tweeter. The older machines,(model 1800 thru 2200) had 3 12" drive units,plus the tweeter. The 12" mid speakers have 16 ohm voice coils., the 12" woofer has an 8 ohm voice coil. Your # 3 picture (spkr magnet marked Magnavox) is the 12" woofer unit. This spkr has a larger Alnico-type magnet than the others, and has a weighted, ribbed lower-resonance cone than the 12" mid drivers. It 's suspension will be more compliant than the mid units. If any of your speakers require repair, it is best to have the original units reconed rather than replacing them. You'll notice that the 12" speakers have "pincushion" oval-style frames. Most current 12" speakers use round frames. The mounting bolt-hole pattern is slightly different between the two frame styles. On some 1900-2000 series juke models, the rear clearance of the speaker to the mech is very tight. Most substitute speakers will not fit in the space. Hopefully this helps answer your question. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Win the battle of the bulge with great liposuction solutions. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWmguUT1jwCPCRvc3Q2XDDf0lqbtxGY6bs4szTfT5UzRFUqkP0ppe/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 7 21:45:35 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 7 21:48:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 1458/6 mono cartrifge stylus ? Message-ID: <20090908.004535.5771.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> For your RO 1464 juke with the mono ceramic cartridge, you should replace it with the Pfanstiehl P-132D cartridge that you have. There are no stereo-equivalent needles available for the Astatic 51 cartridge. You are correct in that you should strap both cartridge elements together (2 + terminals together, 2 - terminals together for in-phase playback. As an added benefit you'll probably find that you can track the cartridge more lightly than the original, which wil extend your record life. An ideal tracking weight for the P-132D is 5 to 7 grams. Change the tracking weight of the tone arm by carefully bending the brass support spring upward located underneath the tone arm. Good luck with your project, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ See the difference professional window cleaning can make. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWvrVcnPUTGFdlwtgYtOhmDRVDWxlwLGKx545xlvwGE2ZsELcYowg/ From jay at west.net Mon Sep 7 21:57:32 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Sep 7 21:59:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 1458/6 mono cartrifge stylus ? In-Reply-To: <20090908.004535.5771.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090908.004535.5771.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4AA5E43C.6020206@west.net> James Alexander wrote: > > For your RO 1464 juke with the mono ceramic cartridge, you should replace it with the Pfanstiehl P-132D cartridge that you have. There are no stereo-equivalent needles available for the Astatic 51 cartridge. You are correct in that you should strap both cartridge elements together (2 + terminals together, 2 - terminals together for in-phase playback. An alternative, especially if replacing a mono crystal cartridge with a stereo ceramic, is to connect the two stereo elements in series. Connect the common (ground, shield, black) wire to the - terminal of one side, connect a small jumper between the + of that side and the - of the other at the cartridge, and connect the hot terminal to the remaining + terminal. This results in a higher output voltage and is a better match for amplifiers originally designed for crystal or high-output mono cartridges. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 7 23:24:41 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 7 23:27:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 1458/6 mono cartrifge stylus ? Message-ID: <20090908.022441.5576.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Jay: The output level of the old Astatic 51 cartridge and the Pfanstiehl P-132D are fairly close to one another. (about .5 volt) While wiring the stereo cartridge elements in series for greater output is a valid concept, doesn't this cause a non-linear audio response,resulting in greater tracing distortion, pickup of turntable rumble, record surface noise etc.? Supposedly these artifacts are less noticeable with a parallel wiring. This is what I was taught way back when. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrFQqeY1ch7iUDbxjadsEjZSOJN87WivIL2sJ2bo70ObmDfhixS/ From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Mon Sep 7 23:37:56 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Mon Sep 7 23:39:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DS-160 parts available... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <638561.96501.qm@web96004.mail.aue.yahoo.com> If only the world was smaller..... I am sure these don't have to die :-(( --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: [Jukebox-list] DS-160 parts available... To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 4:32 PM I had hoped to sell this juke to somebody who would fix it up, but since I haven't had a single call, I will strip this one out and take the cabinet to the dump in about 7-10 days. Likewise with a Rowe JAL and a nice Wurly 2510 also advertised on Craigslist. Possibly even a Wurly 3310S, though I may still hang onto this one. These are all nice jukes that will clean up nice. I simply have no time for any of these projects in the foreseeable future (looking out 3 years), and I need to clear out at least some space for some other incoming pinballs that I expect to acquire over the next two months (picking up one tomorrow in Arlington). All of these are extra clean for their age, and I really hate to see their demise via parting them out..... But storage space is not cheap enough for me to justify keeping them intact...???:( Thought I'd throw this out to list members before I kill them... Here is a link to the DS-160... http://houston.craigslist.org/for/1360016315.html (general for sale) If you need photos of any part or of any of the other jukes mentioned, please contact me off-list -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ebayinjapan at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 23:42:28 2009 From: ebayinjapan at yahoo.com (Christian Fischer) Date: Mon Sep 7 23:44:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900: Tone-arm Message-ID: <281744.34295.qm@web46208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks, Jay. Thanks, Jim! HUGE business with Steve Loots! Grill, pilasters, selection buttons... As you can imagine, I am not far away of the one grand... Since the W1900 was quite low priced (I think!) I decided to invest on it... Good recommendation with Steve! Since they should ship me after tomorrow a quite large order to Japan, I just wrote him now asking for the paint I need. If this fails, I will paint a test sample with my spray can here and check the color match to the fan (99% chances to fail)... If this does not work, I will finally go for Jay's proposal and take the fan with me to a professional paint shop! I just wonder if spray cans can be air freighted... I am afraid that not... The tone arm I have is golden and is "flat" on the sides of the cartridge! That is why I risk to say that is a mono-aural (does not have the pockets as in my W2300S). Regarding the color of the cartridge, there is so much dirt that I could no see yet! I will clean that and get a closer look... Actually I bought the Astatic "just in case"! There is a way to assess easily the condition of a needle? Steve describes the needle that I bought as "Astatic Model 97-1 Green Cobra cartridge for 45RPM records (.7 nil diamnd tip)". This is not matching with the info of Jim - I understood him that were all 1.0... I do not want the 1.0 since I understood that are more aggressive to the stereo records. Understood the 7 grams. I will start from there, and not from zero, with my new digital thing-gadget and move from there until sound is nice and no "record-dust" is snowing down! Hohoho! And last: please do not be mad with me but I will not "upgrade" nothing! As much as my budget and luck to find allows, I will try to keep it in the original definition as much as I can! The brand new Jensens that I have now are certainly Ferraris against the original Fiat ones, but anyway I want to have "that crap" made in the 50s... I can not explain why! Some repros I will not be able to avoid (example of pilasters and internal foils), but at least I would like to keep the original definition of speakers and tone arm / cartridge! (I hope this is the only deviation in this juke! At least I saw no iPod wired inside!). Thanks again to all for the given advices! From ebayinjapan at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 23:51:28 2009 From: ebayinjapan at yahoo.com (Christian Fischer) Date: Mon Sep 7 23:52:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 speakers Message-ID: <244349.46563.qm@web46207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello Jim, Thanks again. Mostly everything understood but some part of your answers confused me. The pictures I linked are always on the same two speakers that I believe additionally to be identical! (A pair). You tell me in one phrase that these could be mid-ranges and in other phrase that could be woofers. The picture 3 is the backside of one of those shown in picture 1! What did I misunderstood? You gave me the interesting information of the 16 and 8 Ohms. Are these impedances those that I measure with the open (unconnected) terminals of the speaker? Can I just measure that and define in that way if woofer or if mid-range? That would be easy (and nice!).... Many thanks! Chris. From webmaster at guestwho.com Tue Sep 8 00:27:01 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Tue Sep 8 00:28:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DS-160 parts available... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9BF278A1E1434FEEA9743BF8C8D59897@CHRISLAPTOP> Is there anything on a wurly 2510 that would be useful (compatible) with a 2600 ? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Teeter" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:32 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] DS-160 parts available... >I had hoped to sell this juke to somebody who would fix it up, but since I > haven't had a single call, I will strip this one out and take the cabinet > to > the dump in about 7-10 days. Likewise with a Rowe JAL and a nice Wurly > 2510 > also advertised on Craigslist. Possibly even a Wurly 3310S, though I may > still hang onto this one. These are all nice jukes that will clean up > nice. I simply have no time for any of these projects in the foreseeable > future (looking out 3 years), and I need to clear out at least some space > for some other incoming pinballs that I expect to acquire over the next > two > months (picking up one tomorrow in Arlington). All of these are extra > clean > for their age, and I really hate to see their demise via parting them > out... > But storage space is not cheap enough for me to justify keeping them > intact... :( > Thought I'd throw this out to list members before I kill them... > Here is a link to the DS-160... > > http://houston.craigslist.org/for/1360016315.html (general for sale) > > If you need photos of any part or of any of the other jukes mentioned, > please contact me off-list > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Sep 8 04:48:53 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Sep 8 04:50:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor Message-ID: <200909080748747.SM03228@[192.168.1.206]> I've always replaced the bridge rectifier in the junction box for that very reason...when the old ones get tired, they put out anywhere from to 25 volts. I'm at work now so I can't check the schematic, but if I'm not mistaken, those motors need at least 30 volts to do their stuff. I could be wrong, but I can almost swear that the schematic says 32 volts. I've used a full-wave bridge rectifier from Radio Shack as an excellent replacement. It's rated at 25 amps with a peak voltage of 50 watts. Not sure of the part number. I simply remove the old rectifier from the junction box and bolt in the new rectifier. Next, solder the old wires to the terminals on the new rectifier. Check the schematic for the F to see which are your AC outputs from the transformer and attach them to AC inputs on the rectifier. Next, determine the DC outputs to the junction box. I haven't done one in a while so the memory is fuzzy, but I want to say that the + side goes to one of the .08 amp fuse holders and the - side goes to pin one on the screw terminal strip. I'd double check that since I wrote that from a fuzzy memory at 7:30 in the morning. There's also been talk on the list of putting a fuse in line with the rectifier. Of that, I'm not sure. I think it was either Ron or Jay that brought that up. If they see this thread maybe they can chime in. Oh....I've talked about how to re-fleck the cabinet on an F and G many times on the list. If you do a Google search for "Flecking an AMI F or G Series Jukebox", you'll come up with some results. Here's one of the articles. I had the dubious distinction of being "quoted" for this one. Take it slow and you'll get excellent results. http://lists.netlojix.com/pipermail/jukebox-list/2008-November/034939.html Aaron From cdstock at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 05:19:30 2009 From: cdstock at gmail.com (CC) Date: Tue Sep 8 05:21:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DS-160 parts available... In-Reply-To: <638561.96501.qm@web96004.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <638561.96501.qm@web96004.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7B62F8BBBEB948909341DF4CD8E46556@ChadLT> What 'others' do you have? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:38 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] DS-160 parts available... If only the world was smaller..... I am sure these don't have to die :-(( --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: [Jukebox-list] DS-160 parts available... To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 4:32 PM I had hoped to sell this juke to somebody who would fix it up, but since I haven't had a single call, I will strip this one out and take the cabinet to the dump in about 7-10 days. Likewise with a Rowe JAL and a nice Wurly 2510 also advertised on Craigslist. Possibly even a Wurly 3310S, though I may still hang onto this one. These are all nice jukes that will clean up nice. I simply have no time for any of these projects in the foreseeable future (looking out 3 years), and I need to clear out at least some space for some other incoming pinballs that I expect to acquire over the next two months (picking up one tomorrow in Arlington). All of these are extra clean for their age, and I really hate to see their demise via parting them out..... But storage space is not cheap enough for me to justify keeping them intact...???:( Thought I'd throw this out to list members before I kill them... Here is a link to the DS-160... http://houston.craigslist.org/for/1360016315.html (general for sale) If you need photos of any part or of any of the other jukes mentioned, please contact me off-list -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From cdstock at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 05:22:54 2009 From: cdstock at gmail.com (CC) Date: Tue Sep 8 05:24:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DS-160 parts available... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AE0E93BEF54598BCC1F1AB236B259C@ChadLT> Sorry, didn't see they were mentioned in this one. Just these 4? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Teeter Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:32 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] DS-160 parts available... I had hoped to sell this juke to somebody who would fix it up, but since I haven't had a single call, I will strip this one out and take the cabinet to the dump in about 7-10 days. Likewise with a Rowe JAL and a nice Wurly 2510 also advertised on Craigslist. Possibly even a Wurly 3310S, though I may still hang onto this one. These are all nice jukes that will clean up nice. I simply have no time for any of these projects in the foreseeable future (looking out 3 years), and I need to clear out at least some space for some other incoming pinballs that I expect to acquire over the next two months (picking up one tomorrow in Arlington). All of these are extra clean for their age, and I really hate to see their demise via parting them out... But storage space is not cheap enough for me to justify keeping them intact... :( Thought I'd throw this out to list members before I kill them... Here is a link to the DS-160... http://houston.craigslist.org/for/1360016315.html (general for sale) If you need photos of any part or of any of the other jukes mentioned, please contact me off-list -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Sep 8 07:26:29 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Sep 8 07:29:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 speakers Message-ID: <20090908.102629.2340.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Hello Chris: Sorry if I caused confusion for you. These are the ideas that I was trying to establish: Older Wurl jukes like your 1900 use 3 12" speakers in them, while the newer ones above model 2300 have only two. I'm not sure if the 3rd 12" speaker in your 1900 is a midrange or woofer. Based upon your photos, it appears to be a mid unit. You can tell the woofer from the mid range speakers because the woofer will have a larger magnet structure, a more compliant, heavier-weight ribbed cone, and an 8 ohm voice coil impedance. The mid-range speakers have lightweight curvilinear shaped cones with a tight suspension. The impedance of these speakers is 16 ohms. In your pix, you are reading a speaker voice coil using an volt-ohm-meter. This device will read the voice coil's DC resistance, but not the impedance which is an AC value. The DC resistance of an 8 ohm voice coil will read lower than the AC impedance,probably in the area of 3 ohms. This is normal. The DC resistance of the 16 ohm voicecoil will read in the area of 7 to 8 ohms. An impedance bridge is the test device that is needed to truly read a speaker's impedance. I would not go to the trouble of obtaining one of these units. The DC resistance reading will give you a good enough indication to identify the speaker. If any of your speakers are defective, I suggested that you have your original models repaired/reconed for your W1900. The mounting bolt-hole pattern of your original oval-frame 12" speakers will not perfectly line up to the mounting holes of the round-frame 12" speakers that are in use today. One of the 12" speakers in your juke,with it's shallow Alnico magnet, is in close placement to the mech. If you attempt to replace the speaker with a modern 12" model equipped the pancake-shaped ceramic magnet, you will not have sufficient clearance to install it. It will bump into the mechanism. Back to phono cartridges---- The model number of your Astatic cartridge, 97-1 indicates that it has a 1 mil stylus tip. Astatic stereo needles (which are .7 mil) would have a 7 in their part number. There is a company in the US called WesTech services that offered a service refurbishing/re-tipping existing stylii. I'm not sure if they're offering this service any longer. I had Westech retip several older #97-type cartridges with .7 mil stylii.This helped with the stereo record tracking problem. The European made cobra replica cartridge sold by www.needles4jukeboxes.com has a long-lasting .7 mil stereo diamond stylus and is the best sounding cobra pickup (that I have worked with) of the recently-made replacements. It does a good job tracking stereo records at 7 grams with little record damage. There are other marketers that are selling this cartridge, if you dont want to buy from needles4jukeboxes. You will need to research it further. In the US, I believe that JukeboxFridayNight also sells this item. Perhaps you can locate a dealer in Japan selling it. I don't know who the manufacturer of this cartridge is. Since you wish to keep your W1900 original as possible, this would be the best route to take. Hopefully, this clears up any of my answers that seemed confusing. Good luck with your 1900 project. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Make sure the temperature's always just right with a new thermostat. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYBCkLf6xFpTpDclTkto5d9OjsuZIfmnsKsftkbG4kmeVPNOEW9e4/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 8 09:10:12 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 8 09:17:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 speakers In-Reply-To: <20090908.102629.2340.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <720100.87741.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Chris, and All, Unfortunately, the original owner of West-Tech Services passed away around ten years ago. The "new" owner, does not re-tip needles--anyone know of anyone who does, in the USA ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 speakers To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 7:26 AM Hello Chris: Sorry if I caused confusion for you.? These are the ideas that I was trying to establish: Older Wurl jukes like your 1900 use 3 12" speakers in them, while the newer ones above model 2300 have only two.???I'm not sure if the 3rd 12" speaker in your 1900 is a midrange or woofer.? Based upon your photos, it appears to be a mid unit.??? You can tell the woofer from the mid range speakers because the woofer will have a larger magnet structure, a more compliant, heavier-weight ribbed cone, and an 8 ohm voice coil impedance.? The mid-range speakers have lightweight curvilinear shaped cones with a tight suspension.? The impedance of these speakers is 16 ohms.? In your pix, you are reading a speaker voice coil using an volt-ohm-meter.???This device will read the voice coil's DC resistance, but not the impedance which is an AC value.? ???The DC resistance of an 8 ohm voice coil will read lower than the AC impedance,probably in the area of 3 ohms. This is normal.? ? ???The DC resistance of the 16 ohm voicecoil will read in the area of 7 to 8 ohms.? ? An impedance bridge is the test device that is needed to truly read a speaker's impedance.???I would not go to the trouble of obtaining one of these units.? ???The DC resistance reading will give you a good enough indication to identify the speaker.??? If any of your speakers are defective, I suggested that you have your original models repaired/reconed for your W1900.???The mounting bolt-hole pattern of your original oval-frame 12" speakers will not perfectly line up to the mounting holes of the round-frame 12" speakers that are in use today.???One of the 12" speakers in your juke,with it's shallow Alnico magnet, is in close placement to the mech.???If you attempt to replace the speaker with a modern 12" model equipped the pancake-shaped ceramic magnet, you will not have sufficient clearance to install it.? It will bump into the mechanism. Back to phono cartridges----? The model number of your Astatic cartridge, 97-1 indicates that it has a 1 mil stylus tip.? Astatic stereo needles (which are .7 mil) would have a 7 in their part number.???There is a? company in the US called WesTech services that offered a service refurbishing/re-tipping existing stylii.???I'm not sure if they're offering this service any longer.? ? I had Westech retip several older? #97-type cartridges? with .7 mil stylii.This helped with the stereo record tracking problem.? ? The European made cobra replica cartridge sold by www.needles4jukeboxes.com has a long-lasting .7 mil stereo diamond stylus and is the best sounding cobra pickup (that I have worked with) of the recently-made replacements.???It does a good job tracking stereo records at 7 grams with little record damage.? There are other marketers that are selling this cartridge, if you dont want to buy from needles4jukeboxes. You will need to research it further.? In the US, I believe that JukeboxFridayNight also sells this item.? ? Perhaps you can locate a dealer in Japan selling it.???I don't know who the manufacturer of this cartridge is.? Since you wish to keep your W1900? original as possible, this would be the best route to take. Hopefully, this clears up any of my answers that seemed confusing.? Good luck with your 1900 project. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Make sure the temperature's always just right with a new thermostat. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYBCkLf6xFpTpDclTkto5d9OjsuZIfmnsKsftkbG4kmeVPNOEW9e4/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 8 09:16:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 8 09:17:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor In-Reply-To: <200909080748747.SM03228@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <98500.38200.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Aaron, T'wer I----I suggest that a primary fuse be added anytime a "new style" bridge is used. I HATE replacing transformers !! Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 4:48 AM I've always replaced the bridge rectifier in the junction box for that very reason...when the old ones get tired, they put out anywhere from to 25 volts. I'm at work now so I can't check the schematic, but if I'm not mistaken, those motors need at least 30 volts to do their stuff. I could be wrong, but I can almost swear that the schematic says 32 volts. I've used a full-wave bridge rectifier from Radio Shack as an excellent replacement. It's rated at 25 amps with a peak voltage of 50 watts. Not sure of the part number. I simply remove the old rectifier from the junction box and bolt in the new rectifier. Next, solder the old wires to the terminals on the new rectifier. Check the schematic for the F to see which are your AC outputs from the transformer and attach them to AC inputs on the rectifier. Next, determine the DC outputs to the junction box. I haven't done one in a while so the memory is fuzzy, but I want to say that the + side goes to one of the .08 amp fuse holders and the - side goes to pin one on the screw terminal strip. I'd double check that since I wrote that from a fuzzy memory at 7:30 in the morning. There's also been talk on the list of putting a fuse in line with the rectifier. Of that, I'm not sure. I think it was either Ron or Jay that brought that up. If they see this thread maybe they can chime in. Oh....I've talked about how to re-fleck the cabinet on an F and G many times on the list. If you do a Google search for "Flecking an AMI F or G Series Jukebox", you'll come up with some results. Here's one of the articles. I had the dubious distinction of being "quoted" for this one. Take it slow and you'll get excellent results. http://lists.netlojix.com/pipermail/jukebox-list/2008-November/034939.html Aaron -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From fborsdorf at hotmail.com Tue Sep 8 09:16:48 2009 From: fborsdorf at hotmail.com (Fred Borsdorf) Date: Tue Sep 8 09:18:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer New York New York CD Player Message-ID: I have just bought a Wurlitzer New York New York. I have to admit that I have never worked on a Wurlitzer before and don't know a lot about this unit as I have been fixing Rowe's up till now, so any information would be helpful! It is complete and in great shape except the CD Player and any brackets that may be needed are gone. Does anyone have a picture of the insides of one of these units and or know where I may find the CD layer? Can this unit be fitted to a MP3 player or is there an alternative player of some kind? From pinball at telus.net Tue Sep 8 09:52:26 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Sep 8 09:54:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer New York New York CD Player In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AA68BCA.7060600@telus.net> Fred Borsdorf wrote: > I have just bought a Wurlitzer New York New York. > > > > I have to admit that I have never worked on a Wurlitzer before and don't know a lot about this unit as I have been fixing Rowe's up till now, so any information would be helpful! > > > > It is complete and in great shape except the CD Player and any brackets that may be needed are gone. > > > > Does anyone have a picture of the insides of one of these units and or know where I may find the CD layer? > > > > Can this unit be fitted to a MP3 player or is there an alternative player of some kind? > > > Hi Fred, Wurlitzer provides an update kit to the CD-PRO players and this includes the player and its support assembly. Depending on what is missing from you r machine will determine the cost of the missing parts. If you wish to send me some pictures of the inside of the machine I can let you know what it would cost to return it to stock. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Sep 8 10:39:45 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Sep 8 10:42:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 speakers Message-ID: <20090908.133945.18235.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: RE: West Tech Svcs., stylii, etc. I'm aware that the original West Tech organization in Sebring FL closed with the passing of the owner in the 90's.It was that company that was installing new .7 mil stylii on older production (good sounding) cobra cartridges that I re cycled. I've had about 25 cobras reworked this way, where only one or two of them didn't live up to the promise. This is how I addressed the "cobra cartridge damaging stereo records" problem 15 years ago when a classic Wurly 45 customer was reluctant to make a complete cartridge changeout. It wasn't a perfect solution, but it was a viable remedy. Someone apparently has re opened the West Tech business in Caldwell OH where many of the antique electronics,phono repair/restoration services are being offered again. web: www.west-techservices.com PH 740 732 6066. On their site, they advocate buying new replacement stylii, but they do offer a re-tipping service & cartridge rebuilding service, subject to many conditions and limitations. I haven't had any occasion to use their service recently,so I haven't read their "fine print". Whenever I've needed cobra pickups lately, I've only bought the Euro cartridge we talked about here. These have been decent performers, with few defects. I've had many bad-out-of-the box Astatic 97-1's ,circa 2000, when they still were in limited production. Now that distribs are selling 10 yr old unsold stock, I don't think they'll improve with age. The dealers that carry this European cobra cartridge that I know of are Ed Saunders, Needles4jukeboxes and Jukebox Friday Night. Everybody else sems to have old Astatic or Pfanstiehl stock. BTW, does anyone know of a source where I can buy the Seeburg "T" needles (for DS, Y, LPC, etc) at a better price? All the usual marketers want about $80/pr right now. Yes, I know these are in limited supply. Thanks for your advice, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to get Medical Insurance options that meet your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVvU3RjUtHEy1MM2acRleElLhxGtP7vByKyIILL6UxhnPN5ZRBco4/ From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Tue Sep 8 12:08:18 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Tue Sep 8 12:10:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <20090908.102629.2340.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090908.102629.2340.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4AA6ABA2.5050404@sparksandarcs.net> I have an AMI D40 that I'm restoring at the moment. It has the original Jensen speaker which is in decent shape, but it's got a few small tears in the cone and is coming unglued in several spots around the outer edges. While I've done refoaming of 70's era drivers in the past, I've never had a speaker reconed before -- who are the "preferred" services by folks on the Juke list? Anything I should be aware of when selecting options like cone type, weight, edging, etc? Would they also be able to repair "open" coils? I've got a driver on my SMC-2 that tests open circuit. It's been replaced with an off-the-shelf 12" woofer, but the original response specs are obviously not even close. Thanks for your advice! Mike Carmack North TX From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 8 12:22:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 8 12:23:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <4AA6ABA2.5050404@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <152825.62189.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The following two companies advertise in Always Jukin Magazine----I have used neither--Sound Remedy in NJ--856 869-6880? and? The Speaker Exchange in FL 800-849-6972.? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Carmack wrote: From: Carmack Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 12:08 PM I have an AMI D40 that I'm restoring at the moment.? It has the original Jensen speaker which is in decent shape, but it's got a few small tears in the cone and is coming unglued in several spots around the outer edges.? While I've done refoaming of 70's era drivers in the past, I've never had a speaker reconed before -- who are the "preferred" services by folks on the Juke list????Anything I should be aware of when selecting options like cone type, weight, edging, etc? Would they also be able to repair "open" coils?? I've got a driver on my SMC-2 that tests open circuit.? It's been replaced with an off-the-shelf 12" woofer, but the original response specs are obviously not even close. Thanks for your advice! Mike Carmack North TX _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Sep 8 12:56:34 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Sep 8 12:59:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Message-ID: <20090908.155634.6669.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Both companies that Ron R. recommended do good work. Isn't the speaker in your AMI D-40 a 15" field coil type (electromagnet) speaker? If you're located in the western US, I can recommend some other servicers closer to you. When a speaker is reconed it replaces the cone, it's outer suspension and spring support,and the voice coil assembly. All the moving parts. For a 15" full-range speaker, expect to pay $75-100 for the work including the cone kit, plus the shipping. This note would apply more to the 12" woofer in your Seeburg SMC-2. It is possible and sometimes more practical to replace an original speaker with a better quality (built to today's standards) driver for approximately the same cost as a good recone job. It is important to match up to the performance specs of the original unit that's being replaced. The spkr sensitivity rating (measured in db output @ 3 ft), cone resonance, cabinet loading, wattage rating and other factors have an important bearing when selecting a replacement speaker. Many people make the mistake of not matching the needed speaker specs, or underbuying/overbuying what's needed. If you are unsure what the specs of the original device are, you'll be safer having it reconed. Having a 12" speaker reconed will likely cost $50-75. If you'd like to look at replacement drive units, go to one of the well-stocked electronics parts houses, like Parts Express web: www.partsexpress.com or Antique Electronics Supply web: www.tubesandmore.com Last but not least---you will not find a quality speaker driver match at either Radio Shack or in Walmart's car stereo dept.This is a commonly-made mistake. If you need further info on replacement speakers, contact me off-list. I'll walk you through it. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ343AGxAzG9C4NfdJWYBkvBIEOWdhJ36iAPGsECJ02tcdXDSdhzK/ From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Tue Sep 8 13:28:27 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Tue Sep 8 13:30:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? References: <152825.62189.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, I just had the 15 inch speaker from my 1940 Wurlitzer 700 re-coned by a firm in Sarnia, Ontario - Canada. The cost was $ 81.00 complete (exclusive of minor shipping costs) with new wiring, peripheral foa, painting and re-coning. The repair firm did an excellent job and I am going to have him rebuild the speakers for my 1939 Seeburg Class and 1941 Wurlitzer 750 even though the sound is pretty fair on both these machines. This might not help you too much since you are in Texas but it should give you an idea what the job should cost you. Greetings from Midland, Ontario - Canada -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Ron Rich Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 3:22 PM To: jmc@sparksandarcs.net; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? The following two companies advertise in Always Jukin Magazine----I have used neither--Sound Remedy in NJ--856 869-6880? and? The Speaker Exchange in FL 800-849-6972.? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Carmack wrote: From: Carmack Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 12:08 PM I have an AMI D40 that I'm restoring at the moment.? It has the original Jensen speaker which is in decent shape, but it's got a few small tears in the cone and is coming unglued in several spots around the outer edges.? While I've done refoaming of 70's era drivers in the past, I've never had a speaker reconed before -- who are the "preferred" services by folks on the Juke list????Anything I should be aware of when selecting options like cone type, weight, edging, etc? Would they also be able to repair "open" coils?? I've got a driver on my SMC-2 that tests open circuit.? It's been replaced with an off-the-shelf 12" woofer, but the original response specs are obviously not even close. Thanks for your advice! Mike Carmack North TX _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Tue Sep 8 13:52:18 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Tue Sep 8 13:54:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: References: <152825.62189.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7CDC1B3BAF094D2B941D0296F91956CC@CHRISLAPTOP> Alan, What's the name of the company ? I'm in Mount Forest, ON (about 2 hours south-west of midland) so it's worthwhile making a note of Canadian companies (no cross-border shipping fees). I may get both 12" speakers (mid and sub) from my 2600 rebuilt. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Armstrong" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Mike, I just had the 15 inch speaker from my 1940 Wurlitzer 700 re-coned by a firm in Sarnia, Ontario - Canada. The cost was $ 81.00 complete (exclusive of minor shipping costs) with new wiring, peripheral foa, painting and re-coning. The repair firm did an excellent job and I am going to have him rebuild the speakers for my 1939 Seeburg Class and 1941 Wurlitzer 750 even though the sound is pretty fair on both these machines. This might not help you too much since you are in Texas but it should give you an idea what the job should cost you. Greetings from Midland, Ontario - Canada -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Ron Rich Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 3:22 PM To: jmc@sparksandarcs.net; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? The following two companies advertise in Always Jukin Magazine----I have used neither--Sound Remedy in NJ--856 869-6880 and The Speaker Exchange in FL 800-849-6972. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Carmack wrote: From: Carmack Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 12:08 PM I have an AMI D40 that I'm restoring at the moment. It has the original Jensen speaker which is in decent shape, but it's got a few small tears in the cone and is coming unglued in several spots around the outer edges. While I've done refoaming of 70's era drivers in the past, I've never had a speaker reconed before -- who are the "preferred" services by folks on the Juke list? Anything I should be aware of when selecting options like cone type, weight, edging, etc? Would they also be able to repair "open" coils? I've got a driver on my SMC-2 that tests open circuit. It's been replaced with an off-the-shelf 12" woofer, but the original response specs are obviously not even close. Thanks for your advice! Mike Carmack North TX _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Tue Sep 8 15:12:12 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Tue Sep 8 15:13:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor In-Reply-To: <98500.38200.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <98500.38200.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AA6D6BC.2040907@sparksandarcs.net> Aaron, something just caught my eye -- are you sure that bridge rectifier was 50 watts? To be 25 Amp rated, it'd be rated for only 2 volts operating voltage! Rectifiers are commonly rated with PIV, Peak Inverse Voltage, which is the rated reverse-current they'll tolerate. If it's downstream from a transformer, 50 PIV (a common value) would be okay I guess, but just in case, I always get bigger ratings for full line current. It only costs pennies more and gives peace of mind against overheating and failure in strange circumstances -- ie the real world. > --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > > From: Aaron Heverin > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 4:48 AM > > I've always replaced the bridge rectifier in the junction box for that very reason...when the old ones get tired, they put out anywhere from to 25 volts. I'm at work now so I can't check the schematic, but if I'm not mistaken, those motors need at least 30 volts to do their stuff. I could be wrong, but I can almost swear that the schematic says 32 volts. > > I've used a full-wave bridge rectifier from Radio Shack as an excellent replacement. It's rated at 25 amps with a peak voltage of 50 watts. Not sure of the part number. I simply remove the old rectifier from the junction box and bolt in the new rectifier. Next, solder the old wires to the terminals on the new rectifier. Check the schematic for the F to see which are your AC outputs from the transformer and attach them to AC inputs on the rectifier. Next, determine the DC outputs to the junction box. I haven't done one in a while so the memory is fuzzy, but I want to say that the + side goes to one of the .08 amp fuse holders and the - side goes to pin one on the screw terminal strip. I'd double check that since I wrote that from a fuzzy memory at 7:30 in the morning. > > There's also been talk on the list of putting a fuse in line with the rectifier. Of that, I'm not sure. I think it was either Ron or Jay that brought that up. If they see this thread maybe they can chime in. > > Oh....I've talked about how to re-fleck the cabinet on an F and G many times on the list. If you do a Google search for "Flecking an AMI F or G Series Jukebox", you'll come up with some results. Here's one of the articles. I had the dubious distinction of being "quoted" for this one. Take it slow and you'll get excellent results. http://lists.netlojix.com/pipermail/jukebox-list/2008-November/034939.html > > Aaron > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Tue Sep 8 15:17:11 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Tue Sep 8 15:18:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 1458/6 mono cartrifge stylus ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AA6D7E7.6070300@sparksandarcs.net> Something to consider with older mono jukeboxes -- their original cartridges may not have vertical compliance necessary to track Stereo records without damaging them. This certainly applies to the Astatic 51. Even if you put a proper-sized stylus in the cartridge, it'll damage any stereo-cut records. The vertical modulation will be quickly shaved off the records due to the lack of vertical compliance. Those mono cartridges were never designed with the intention to move in the vertical plane, only side to side. I guess this was also why records were issued in Mono and Stereo versions throughout the 60's. Rick Force wrote: > Hi, all, > I have the ROM 1464 wall mount juke which uses the same 120 play mech as the full size 1458. Does anyone make a stereo compliant stylus for the cartridge that is in the tone arm (I believe it's an Astatic 51)? If I put in the P132-D I have, will I need to make mods to the amp or arm? To bridge the stereo terminals, just jumper the + together and the - together then just connect the 2 wires to one side of the cart (watching the phasing), is that correct? Would rather just replace the stylus in the original cart if that can be done (like with the mono Seeburgs that can use that new L shaped compliant needle). Thank you, Rick. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jay at west.net Tue Sep 8 15:27:00 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Sep 8 15:28:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 carriage motor In-Reply-To: <4AA6D6BC.2040907@sparksandarcs.net> References: <98500.38200.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AA6D6BC.2040907@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <4AA6DA34.1070405@west.net> Carmack wrote: > Aaron, something just caught my eye -- are you sure that bridge > rectifier was 50 watts? That may be a power dissipation rating for the bridge. At 0.7 volt drop it would be about 17.8 amperes per diode. "Watts" isn't a common rating for rectifiers as the forward voltage is generally pretty low, as is the reverse current. > To be 25 Amp rated, it'd be rated for only 2 > volts operating voltage! Rectifiers are commonly rated with PIV, Peak > Inverse Voltage, which is the rated reverse-current they'll tolerate. > If it's downstream from a transformer, 50 PIV (a common value) would be > okay I guess, but just in case, I always get bigger ratings for full > line current. It only costs pennies more and gives peace of mind > against overheating and failure in strange circumstances -- ie the real > world. I agree, and typically use the following as a universal selenium replacement for jukes. http://tinyurl.com/nfe5lp Under $3, 800 volts at 25 amperes. Way more than you'll ever need. The smaller silicon bridges equivalent to the ratings of the selenium stacks are harder to deal with in terms of mounting. The big guys can use the same bolt hole, have solder lug terminations, and easily heat-sink to the chassis. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 8 15:28:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 8 15:30:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <20090908.155634.6669.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <970027.42132.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> One more suggestion--contact one of the ligit used jukebox parts suppliers, and see if they have a good, original speaker they can sell you.? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 12:56 PM Both companies that Ron R. recommended do good work.? ? Isn't the speaker in your AMI D-40 a 15" field coil type (electromagnet) speaker?? If you're located in the western US, I can recommend some other servicers closer to you. When a speaker is reconed it replaces the cone, it's outer suspension and spring support,and the voice coil assembly. All the moving parts.? For a 15" full-range speaker, expect to pay? $75-100 for the work including the cone kit, plus the shipping. This note would apply more to the 12" woofer in your Seeburg SMC-2.? ???It is possible and sometimes more practical to replace an original speaker with a better quality (built to today's standards) driver for approximately the same cost as a good recone job.???It is important to match up to the performance specs of the original unit that's being replaced.? ? ? The spkr sensitivity rating? (measured in db output @ 3 ft), cone resonance, cabinet loading, wattage rating and other factors have an important bearing when selecting a replacement speaker.? ? ? Many people make the mistake of not matching the needed speaker specs, or underbuying/overbuying what's needed.? If you are unsure what the specs of the original device are, you'll be safer having it reconed.??? Having a 12" speaker reconed will likely cost $50-75.??? If you'd like to look at replacement drive units, go to one of the well-stocked electronics parts houses, like Parts Express? web: www.partsexpress.com or? Antique Electronics Supply???web:? www.tubesandmore.com??? Last but not least---you will not find a quality speaker driver match at either Radio Shack or in Walmart's car stereo dept.This is a commonly-made mistake.? ? If you need further info on replacement speakers, contact me off-list.? I'll walk you through it. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ343AGxAzG9C4NfdJWYBkvBIEOWdhJ36iAPGsECJ02tcdXDSdhzK/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Tue Sep 8 16:09:42 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Tue Sep 8 16:16:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? References: <152825.62189.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7CDC1B3BAF094D2B941D0296F91956CC@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: Hi Chris! I go through Mount Forest quite a bit as I am a training consultant with the Ontario Clean Water Agency (Ministry of the Environment). Nice part of the Province! Contact is as follows: SoundSaver 1252 Marcin Road Sarnia, Ontario N7V 3J9 Contact: Dave Tel. No. 519-337-2941 You can google SoundSaver on google (canada). I really liked Dave`s workmanship and price. Al -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Chris Ralph Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 4:52 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Alan, What's the name of the company ? I'm in Mount Forest, ON (about 2 hours south-west of midland) so it's worthwhile making a note of Canadian companies (no cross-border shipping fees). I may get both 12" speakers (mid and sub) from my 2600 rebuilt. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Armstrong" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Mike, I just had the 15 inch speaker from my 1940 Wurlitzer 700 re-coned by a firm in Sarnia, Ontario - Canada. The cost was $ 81.00 complete (exclusive of minor shipping costs) with new wiring, peripheral foa, painting and re-coning. The repair firm did an excellent job and I am going to have him rebuild the speakers for my 1939 Seeburg Class and 1941 Wurlitzer 750 even though the sound is pretty fair on both these machines. This might not help you too much since you are in Texas but it should give you an idea what the job should cost you. Greetings from Midland, Ontario - Canada -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Ron Rich Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 3:22 PM To: jmc@sparksandarcs.net; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? The following two companies advertise in Always Jukin Magazine----I have used neither--Sound Remedy in NJ--856 869-6880 and The Speaker Exchange in FL 800-849-6972. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Carmack wrote: From: Carmack Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 12:08 PM I have an AMI D40 that I'm restoring at the moment. It has the original Jensen speaker which is in decent shape, but it's got a few small tears in the cone and is coming unglued in several spots around the outer edges. While I've done refoaming of 70's era drivers in the past, I've never had a speaker reconed before -- who are the "preferred" services by folks on the Juke list? Anything I should be aware of when selecting options like cone type, weight, edging, etc? Would they also be able to repair "open" coils? I've got a driver on my SMC-2 that tests open circuit. It's been replaced with an off-the-shelf 12" woofer, but the original response specs are obviously not even close. Thanks for your advice! Mike Carmack North TX _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Sep 8 18:06:39 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Sep 8 18:08:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <4AA6ABA2.5050404@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <36178.9601.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Carmack wrote: > I have an AMI D40 that I'm restoring > at the moment. It has the original Jensen speaker > which is in decent shape, but it's got a few small tears in > the cone and is coming unglued in several spots around the > outer edges. If that's the extent of the damage, I'd suggest re-attaching the unglued areas, and patching the tears with a piece of tissue paper soaked in about a 1:1 dilution of Elmer's Glue and water, applied to the front and back of the torn area. Cut the patch to extend about 1/4" from the tear in all directions. I've never had a problem with these repairs. I think that after the disaster of decomposing foam in speakers designed in the 70s and 80s, "re-coning" is sold as a cure-all for any older speaker, and with solid paper cone-and-suspension speakers isn't really called for unless the sound is degraded by the damage. From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 8 18:10:13 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Sep 8 18:12:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900: Tone-arm References: <281744.34295.qm@web46208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901ca30ea$49483570$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Chris - I like your enthusiasm! Lots of us share the same feelings for jukeboxes. Please do not be mad at me, but I find it interesting that you can buy $1000 worth of brand new parts, but yet you can't upgrade the cartridge. Somehow it's acceptable in the jukebox hobby to replace nearly every cosmetic part, but when someone suggests upgrading the mechanical or electrical systems, it's a sin because it's not "original". Here's some more advice - you can take it or not. Continue on your search for an original tonearm - it will turn up eventually. In the meantime, finish restoring your machine. Once you have the amp rebuilt and playing, I'll bet you will be disappointed in the sound, especially if you own a Seeburg or AMI from the same era. The cobra is a lousy cartridge. Once you find another tonearm, you are free to modify your gold one and the amp to get better sound. Keep the original tonearm in the bottom of the box so when you sell the machine later on, the new owner can decide to put it back "to original". Good luck, Jim Dirksen > And last: please do not be mad with me but I will not "upgrade" nothing! > As much as my budget and luck to find allows, I will try to keep it in the > original definition as much as I can! The brand new Jensens that I have > now are certainly Ferraris against the original Fiat ones, but anyway I > want to have "that crap" made in the 50s... I can not explain why! Some > repros I will not be able to avoid (example of pilasters and internal > foils), but at least I would like to keep the original definition of > speakers and tone arm / cartridge! (I hope this is the only deviation in > this juke! At least I saw no iPod wired inside!). > > Thanks again to all for the given advices! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From leovalk at hotmail.com Tue Sep 8 19:19:05 2009 From: leovalk at hotmail.com (leo valk) Date: Tue Sep 8 19:20:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <36178.9601.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4AA6ABA2.5050404@sparksandarcs.net> <36178.9601.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi David, I haven't got too much knowledge on speakers. Do I understand this well? Are you saying that a speaker where the cone is totally deteriorated, can still be used with possibly none or little sound deterioration? I'm asking as I own two Bang & Olufsen Beovox 5700 speakers, from which I recently removed the "speaker grille", to find that the foam cones went sticky and fell to pieces upon checking them out. It would be great to be able to still use them. If repair is needed while the cone is actually completely gone, what can I do? I assume repair with paper tissue won't be possible anymore as there's nothing left to go from? How can I obtain a cone shape. I didn't realize this topic would be of interest for me, and unfortunately deleted all the mails on it before yours. Maybe the answer to my question was already there, and I should have read the mails. Hopefully I can still get an answer that's helpfull to me. regards and thanks, Leo > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:06:39 -0700 > From: david_breneman@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Carmack wrote: > > > I have an AMI D40 that I'm restoring > > at the moment. It has the original Jensen speaker > > which is in decent shape, but it's got a few small tears in > > the cone and is coming unglued in several spots around the > > outer edges. > > If that's the extent of the damage, I'd suggest re-attaching > the unglued areas, and patching the tears with a piece of > tissue paper soaked in about a 1:1 dilution of Elmer's Glue > and water, applied to the front and back of the torn area. > Cut the patch to extend about 1/4" from the tear in all > directions. I've never had a problem with these repairs. > I think that after the disaster of decomposing foam in > speakers designed in the 70s and 80s, "re-coning" is sold > as a cure-all for any older speaker, and with solid paper > cone-and-suspension speakers isn't really called for unless > the sound is degraded by the damage. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Sep 8 20:06:33 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Sep 8 20:08:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <908192.68684.qm@web112114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 9/8/09, leo valk wrote: > I haven't got too much knowledge on speakers. Do I > understand this well? Are you saying that a speaker > where the cone is totally deteriorated, can > still be used with possibly none or little sound > deterioration? No, I'm saying nothing of the kind. Please re-read what I wrote. I think you'll see that I was talking about an earlier generation of speakers. > I'm asking as I own two Bang & Olufsen Beovox 5700 > speakers, from which I recently removed the "speaker > grille", to find that the foam cones went sticky and fell > to pieces upon checking them out. It would be great to be > able to still use them. Speakers in that condition need to have their suspension rings replaced. You will note that I wrote: > > I think that after the disaster of decomposing foam > > in speakers designed in the 70s and 80s, "re-coning" > > is sold as a cure-all for any older speaker,... I'd suggest that the speakers you have fall into the category of "speakers designed in the 70s and 80s" since they went into production in 1973 according to a quick google check I just made. > If repair is needed while the cone is actually completely > gone, what can I do? Your only option in that case is to have the speakers re-coned. I was talking about the solid-paper-cone speakers that were common in the 1920s - 1960s. Foam-mounted speakers are a totally different matter. They fall apart and need to be rebuilt. I have a pair of Ultralinear "tower" speakers I bought in high school waiting to have the suspension rings replaced. As I recall, they sounded pretty good in their day. Of course, that was the 1970s so I'm not sure my judgement at that time would be totally reliable. :-) From jay at west.net Tue Sep 8 20:08:01 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Sep 8 20:09:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: References: <4AA6ABA2.5050404@sparksandarcs.net> <36178.9601.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AA71C11.2040602@west.net> leo valk wrote: > Hi David, > > > > I haven't got too much knowledge on speakers. Do I understand this well? > Are you saying that a speaker where the cone is totally deteriorated, can > still be used with possibly none or little sound deterioration? > > I'm asking as I own two Bang & Olufsen Beovox 5700 speakers, from which I recently > removed the "speaker grille", to find that the foam cones went sticky and fell > to pieces upon checking them out. It would be great to be able to still use them. I'm not familiar with that particular speaker, but as a rule most cones aren't made of foam. Traditional speakers, starting at the center, have a voice coil wound on a circular form that protrudes downward into the gap of the pole pieces of a magnet, either permanent magnet or an electromagnet (field coil). The coil is supported on the outside by a "spider" which is typically a corrugated impregnated cloth or similar material attached to the voice coil structure and the speaker frame. Originally these were made of card stock cut out to look somewhat like the legs of a spider. Attached to the voice coil is the cone. In most cases these are made of stiff paper, but exotic materials such as carbon fiber, aluminum, many plastics, even hemp have been used. I've never seen foam as the cone. At the outer edge of the foam is the "surround". This is a flexible material used to support and align the outside edge of the cone and attach it to the speaker basket. Again, a variety of materials are used here. In many cases, particularly speakers made through the 1960s, the surround is part of the cone, formed into a series of corrugations. This is often still the case with some modern speakers. In addition, treated cloth, rubber and other materials have been used for surrounds. One material used for surrounds is foam that is glued to the cone and basket. Many varieties of this foam deteriorate over time and turn to a sticky goo over a period of a few years. To the best of my knowledge, few if any jukeboxes made through the 1960s used original speakers with foam surrounds. Re-foaming is replacement of the foam surrounds. This is a job that many do-it-yourself types including myself have done successfully. Replacement foam surrounds are widely available as well as specialty adhesives to attach them to the cone and speaker basket. Reconing is a different process. A good re-cone job will replace the cone, surround, spider, and the voice coil. This is needed if the cone or voice coil is damaged, and is substantially more expensive than replacing foam surrounds. Small tears or holes in a cone that isn't water damaged are relatively easily patched with diluted white glue and tissue paper as described earlier. If the cone is warped or badly torn, then reconing or replacement are the only options. Many of the acoustic properties of a speaker are determined by the materials used for both the cone and the surround. Flexibility, weight, shape, etc. will affect the sound. Different materials aren't necessarily "good" or "bad", but their use is governed by the frequency range to be covered by that driver, the amplifier power, the size and design of the cabinet, etc. Replacement, as others have pointed out, can be tricky. Without the known acoustic and electrical properties of the original speaker, finding a replacement can be at best a close guess. Jukebox service manuals don't have that information. If a sample known good speaker from a specific jukebox could be found, these characteristics can be measured in a reasonably-equipped labor shop. A frequency sweep to determine resonance and graph impedance along with a calibrated sound level meter to graph response are needed. > If repair is needed while the cone is actually completely gone, what can I do? > I assume repair with paper tissue won't be possible anymore as there's nothing > left to go from? How can I obtain a cone shape. If the cone is gone, then reconing or replacement are the only options. If it's just the surround, that's a much easier fix. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From webmaster at guestwho.com Tue Sep 8 20:28:01 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Tue Sep 8 20:29:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: References: <152825.62189.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><7CDC1B3BAF094D2B941D0296F91956CC@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: Thanks Al! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Armstrong" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Hi Chris! I go through Mount Forest quite a bit as I am a training consultant with the Ontario Clean Water Agency (Ministry of the Environment). Nice part of the Province! Contact is as follows: SoundSaver 1252 Marcin Road Sarnia, Ontario N7V 3J9 Contact: Dave Tel. No. 519-337-2941 You can google SoundSaver on google (canada). I really liked Dave`s workmanship and price. Al -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Chris Ralph Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 4:52 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Alan, What's the name of the company ? I'm in Mount Forest, ON (about 2 hours south-west of midland) so it's worthwhile making a note of Canadian companies (no cross-border shipping fees). I may get both 12" speakers (mid and sub) from my 2600 rebuilt. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Armstrong" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Mike, I just had the 15 inch speaker from my 1940 Wurlitzer 700 re-coned by a firm in Sarnia, Ontario - Canada. The cost was $ 81.00 complete (exclusive of minor shipping costs) with new wiring, peripheral foa, painting and re-coning. The repair firm did an excellent job and I am going to have him rebuild the speakers for my 1939 Seeburg Class and 1941 Wurlitzer 750 even though the sound is pretty fair on both these machines. This might not help you too much since you are in Texas but it should give you an idea what the job should cost you. Greetings from Midland, Ontario - Canada -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Ron Rich Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 3:22 PM To: jmc@sparksandarcs.net; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? The following two companies advertise in Always Jukin Magazine----I have used neither--Sound Remedy in NJ--856 869-6880 and The Speaker Exchange in FL 800-849-6972. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Carmack wrote: From: Carmack Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 12:08 PM I have an AMI D40 that I'm restoring at the moment. It has the original Jensen speaker which is in decent shape, but it's got a few small tears in the cone and is coming unglued in several spots around the outer edges. While I've done refoaming of 70's era drivers in the past, I've never had a speaker reconed before -- who are the "preferred" services by folks on the Juke list? Anything I should be aware of when selecting options like cone type, weight, edging, etc? Would they also be able to repair "open" coils? I've got a driver on my SMC-2 that tests open circuit. It's been replaced with an off-the-shelf 12" woofer, but the original response specs are obviously not even close. Thanks for your advice! Mike Carmack North TX _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From leovalk at hotmail.com Tue Sep 8 21:24:57 2009 From: leovalk at hotmail.com (leo valk) Date: Tue Sep 8 21:26:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <4AA71C11.2040602@west.net> References: <4AA6ABA2.5050404@sparksandarcs.net> <36178.9601.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AA71C11.2040602@west.net> Message-ID: David and Jay, I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. I realized this only as I was reading Jay's mail, so sorry guys! You were right Jay, to never have seen a foam cone! The foam "dome" on my speakers was indeed glued on the speaker coil. I understand it would it be possible to replace or repair that middle bit. Does it need to have the shape of a dome? Any idea is welcome as to how to replace and which material to use. At some stage someone gave an original new spare bass speaker for the Beovox 5700 I own. When I opened the box today it looked brand-new, and the cone was still there, however slightly lifting on one side. I took it off completely and intended to reglue it. It never got that far, as it also fell apart. It's obviously an age-thing, rather then usage related. Tanks guys and sorry fro giving you the wrong information! cheers, Leo > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:08:01 -0700 > From: jay@west.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? > > leo valk wrote: > > Hi David, > > > > > > > > I haven't got too much knowledge on speakers. Do I understand this well? > > Are you saying that a speaker where the cone is totally deteriorated, can > > still be used with possibly none or little sound deterioration? > > > > I'm asking as I own two Bang & Olufsen Beovox 5700 speakers, from which I recently > > removed the "speaker grille", to find that the foam cones went sticky and fell > > to pieces upon checking them out. It would be great to be able to still use them. > > I'm not familiar with that particular speaker, but as a rule most cones > aren't made of foam. Traditional speakers, starting at the center, have > a voice coil wound on a circular form that protrudes downward into the > gap of the pole pieces of a magnet, either permanent magnet or an > electromagnet (field coil). The coil is supported on the outside by a > "spider" which is typically a corrugated impregnated cloth or similar > material attached to the voice coil structure and the speaker frame. > Originally these were made of card stock cut out to look somewhat like > the legs of a spider. > > Attached to the voice coil is the cone. In most cases these are made of > stiff paper, but exotic materials such as carbon fiber, aluminum, many > plastics, even hemp have been used. I've never seen foam as the cone. > > At the outer edge of the foam is the "surround". This is a flexible > material used to support and align the outside edge of the cone and > attach it to the speaker basket. Again, a variety of materials are used > here. In many cases, particularly speakers made through the 1960s, the > surround is part of the cone, formed into a series of corrugations. > This is often still the case with some modern speakers. In addition, > treated cloth, rubber and other materials have been used for surrounds. > > One material used for surrounds is foam that is glued to the cone and > basket. Many varieties of this foam deteriorate over time and turn to > a sticky goo over a period of a few years. To the best of my knowledge, > few if any jukeboxes made through the 1960s used original speakers with > foam surrounds. > > Re-foaming is replacement of the foam surrounds. This is a job that > many do-it-yourself types including myself have done successfully. > Replacement foam surrounds are widely available as well as specialty > adhesives to attach them to the cone and speaker basket. > > Reconing is a different process. A good re-cone job will replace the > cone, surround, spider, and the voice coil. This is needed if the cone > or voice coil is damaged, and is substantially more expensive than > replacing foam surrounds. > > Small tears or holes in a cone that isn't water damaged are relatively > easily patched with diluted white glue and tissue paper as described > earlier. If the cone is warped or badly torn, then reconing or > replacement are the only options. > > Many of the acoustic properties of a speaker are determined by the > materials used for both the cone and the surround. Flexibility, weight, > shape, etc. will affect the sound. Different materials aren't > necessarily "good" or "bad", but their use is governed by the frequency > range to be covered by that driver, the amplifier power, the size and > design of the cabinet, etc. > > Replacement, as others have pointed out, can be tricky. Without the > known acoustic and electrical properties of the original speaker, > finding a replacement can be at best a close guess. Jukebox service > manuals don't have that information. If a sample known good speaker > from a specific jukebox could be found, these characteristics can be > measured in a reasonably-equipped labor shop. A frequency sweep to > determine resonance and graph impedance along with a calibrated sound > level meter to graph response are needed. > > > > If repair is needed while the cone is actually completely gone, what can I do? > > I assume repair with paper tissue won't be possible anymore as there's nothing > > left to go from? How can I obtain a cone shape. > > If the cone is gone, then reconing or replacement are the only options. > If it's just the surround, that's a much easier fix. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 8 22:21:18 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 8 22:22:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <908192.68684.qm@web112114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <557129.55754.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Your judgment in those days was probably as good as was your hearing !? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 8:06 PM --- On Tue, 9/8/09, leo valk wrote: > I haven't got too much knowledge on speakers. Do I > understand this well?? Are you saying that a speaker > where the cone is totally deteriorated, can > still be used with possibly none or little sound > deterioration? No, I'm saying nothing of the kind.? Please re-read what I wrote.? I think you'll see that I was talking about an earlier generation of speakers. > I'm asking as I own two Bang & Olufsen Beovox 5700 > speakers, from which I recently removed the "speaker > grille", to find that the foam cones went sticky and fell > to pieces upon checking them out. It would be great to be > able to still use them. Speakers in that condition need to have their suspension rings replaced.? You will note that I wrote: > > I think that after the disaster of decomposing foam > > in speakers designed in the 70s and 80s, "re-coning" > > is sold as a cure-all for any older speaker,... I'd suggest that the speakers you have fall into the category of "speakers designed in the 70s and 80s" since they went into production in 1973 according to a quick google check I just made. > If repair is needed while the cone is actually completely > gone, what can I do? Your only option in that case is to have the speakers re-coned. I was talking about the solid-paper-cone speakers that were common in the 1920s - 1960s.? Foam-mounted speakers are a totally different matter.? They fall apart and need to be rebuilt.? I have a pair of Ultralinear "tower" speakers I bought in high school waiting to have the suspension rings replaced.? As I recall, they sounded pretty good in their day.? Of course, that was the 1970s so I'm not sure my judgement at that time would be totally reliable.? :-) ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 8 22:44:40 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 8 22:46:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT---Be-alert ! Message-ID: <337978.85428.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I usually do not comment on "stuff" I see on eBay, but I "gotta" on this !? Item # 140332498771, is a bag of about 35 year old caps, being sold as "good--" "NOS". Way out of line IMHO ! Ron Rich From jay at west.net Tue Sep 8 22:48:03 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Sep 8 22:49:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: References: <4AA6ABA2.5050404@sparksandarcs.net> <36178.9601.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AA71C11.2040602@west.net> Message-ID: <4AA74193.1010606@west.net> leo valk wrote: > David and Jay, > > > > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. No dumb mistake. Your ability to express yourself in English is *FAR* better than I could ever hope to write in Dutch. I believe that you're referring to the "dust cap" or "dust cover". I have not seen one of those made of foam either. See the following: http://www.me.cmu.edu/ctms/modeling/electromechanical/overview/content.htm This component has little effect on the sound but should be replaced as it keeps dirt and ant magnetic particles out of the voice coil gap. They are not expensive. http://www.parts-express.com/catalog/pdf/2009/169pec09.pdf -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Tue Sep 8 23:02:19 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Sep 8 23:03:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Used capacitors on EBay as new, was: Slightly OT---Be-alert ! In-Reply-To: <337978.85428.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <337978.85428.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AA744EB.1070807@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > I usually do not comment on "stuff" I see on eBay, but I "gotta" on this ! Item # 140332498771, is a bag of about 35 year old caps, being sold as "good--" "NOS". Way out of line IMHO ! Too funny. It's obvious what happened. Some time ago an amplifier got rebuilt. The technician saved the old parts and put them into the cap kit bag, probably headed for the trash or to give to the customer (as I do when rebuilding an amplifier). Later on, someone stumbled across the bag of old bad parts, Googled the wording on the bag, and put it on EBay. It's a good thing he included the picture or some bidder would have really been surprised and upset... -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ebayinjapan at yahoo.com Tue Sep 8 23:56:48 2009 From: ebayinjapan at yahoo.com (Christian Fischer) Date: Tue Sep 8 23:58:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900: Tone-arm Message-ID: <679094.310.qm@web46214.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> It's a good advice, Dirk, and I will truly consider it! Because I will certainly continue to search the "blue" tone arm, I like that of having an "upgraded" one that can freely exchange with the fully original one. I understand your feelings regarding my ambiguous "originality-sense" since I explained this in a quite painful English! I appreciate originality above everything (even if a sound of a 1956 Cobra was disgusting, it was at the end the sound that the people heard then!)! I collect some old Harleys also and some have still the mud of 1947 glued to the fenders! I love that! ;-) My grand went as follows: - Pilasters are missing. I need something there to hold the decorative foils! I never saw original pilasters to be available... I only could be considered enough to buy the expensive glass ones and not those of plexiglass! - Grill have too much dents, but I found OEM ones!!! Costs a fortune but are OEM! I will tray to repair anyway the old ones also and keep them. - Selection buttons. Bought but exactly because we agree in your point of view of things, I will not replace the originals! - Back door foil and pilaster foils - destroyed. Failed to find originals... This makes the big part of it! The small remaining items are things like "music type titles" (are missing), wheels (are missing), belt & cartridge (just in case, but likely won't be replaced...) That's it, Dirk! I hope I have softened your judgement with my explanations! ;-) Talking seriously now, I truly welcome this advices like yours - It often makes to change your mind! You know... Was my wife telling me, "You will replace those vintage buttons?!? They look so nice faded with their age!". She understands nothing about jukes, but was a useful and franc opinion that made me change my mind in a second! Kind regards. Chris. From leovalk at hotmail.com Wed Sep 9 00:43:35 2009 From: leovalk at hotmail.com (leo valk) Date: Wed Sep 9 00:45:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <4AA74193.1010606@west.net> References: <4AA6ABA2.5050404@sparksandarcs.net> <36178.9601.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AA71C11.2040602@west.net> <4AA74193.1010606@west.net> Message-ID: Thanks very much Jay, after looking at the sites you included, it is indeed a dustcap. Glad to know I can replace them, as I really like the sound of these speakers. Obviously they were top of the B&O line when I bought them in 1976, so you would expect them to deliver a decent sound, even by todays standards. Guess they looked like a sort of black rubber before they deteriorated. Hard to work out what it was, but it's probably polymere as it is certainbly no paper. See if I can find them "down under". thanks again, Leo > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 22:48:03 -0700 > From: jay@west.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? > > leo valk wrote: > > David and Jay, > > > > > > > > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. > > No dumb mistake. Your ability to express yourself in English is *FAR* > better than I could ever hope to write in Dutch. > > I believe that you're referring to the "dust cap" or "dust cover". I > have not seen one of those made of foam either. See the following: > > http://www.me.cmu.edu/ctms/modeling/electromechanical/overview/content.htm > > This component has little effect on the sound but should be replaced as > it keeps dirt and ant magnetic particles out of the voice coil gap. > They are not expensive. > > http://www.parts-express.com/catalog/pdf/2009/169pec09.pdf > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Take a peek at other people's pay and perks Check out The Great Australian Pay Check http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 02:30:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 9 02:31:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <4AA74193.1010606@west.net> Message-ID: <905476.7776.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, I have seen "foam" dust covers--don't remember where ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 10:48 PM leo valk wrote: > David and Jay, > >? > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. No dumb mistake.? Your ability to express yourself in English is *FAR* better than I could ever hope to write in Dutch. I believe that you're referring to the "dust cap" or "dust cover".? I have not seen one of those made of foam either.? See the following: http://www.me.cmu.edu/ctms/modeling/electromechanical/overview/content.htm This component has little effect on the sound but should be replaced as it keeps dirt and ant magnetic particles out of the voice coil gap. They are not expensive. http://www.parts-express.com/catalog/pdf/2009/169pec09.pdf -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 02:33:21 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 9 02:35:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <4AA74193.1010606@west.net> Message-ID: <126296.17273.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, and all, I have seen "foam" dust covers, made from "open cell" type material--don't recall where-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 10:48 PM leo valk wrote: > David and Jay, > >? > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. No dumb mistake.? Your ability to express yourself in English is *FAR* better than I could ever hope to write in Dutch. I believe that you're referring to the "dust cap" or "dust cover".? I have not seen one of those made of foam either.? See the following: http://www.me.cmu.edu/ctms/modeling/electromechanical/overview/content.htm This component has little effect on the sound but should be replaced as it keeps dirt and ant magnetic particles out of the voice coil gap. They are not expensive. http://www.parts-express.com/catalog/pdf/2009/169pec09.pdf -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 02:40:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 9 02:42:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Used capacitors on EBay as new, was: Slightly OT---Be-alert ! In-Reply-To: <4AA744EB.1070807@west.net> Message-ID: <914764.48146.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, I am not sure on that--I blew the photo up as large as I could, and can see no evidence of old solder on the leads ??? The one cap that I can ID, which is in front, was last used in the LS-1 phonograph. They had problems with it, and switched to another brand--? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Used capacitors on EBay as new, was: Slightly OT---Be-alert ! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Cc: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 11:02 PM Ron Rich wrote: > I usually do not comment on "stuff" I see on eBay, but I "gotta" on this !? Item # 140332498771, is a bag of about 35 year old caps, being sold as "good--" "NOS". Way out of line IMHO ! Too funny.? It's obvious what happened.? Some time ago an amplifier got rebuilt.? The technician saved the old parts and put them into the cap kit bag, probably headed for the trash or to give to the customer (as I do when rebuilding an amplifier). Later on, someone stumbled across the bag of old bad parts, Googled the wording on the bag, and put it on EBay.? It's a good thing he included the picture or some bidder would have really been surprised and upset... -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Wed Sep 9 03:27:48 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Wed Sep 9 03:29:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <126296.17273.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4AA74193.1010606@west.net><126296.17273.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <774825011-1252492066-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1493279767-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Jay (not Ron, per se), I get duplicates of every message Ron posts. Nobody else's do this. I'm sure Ron's not doing anything wrong, just wanted you to know in case you wanted to look into it. No biggie though. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 02:33:21 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Jay, and all, I have seen "foam" dust covers, made from "open cell" type material--don't recall where-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 10:48 PM leo valk wrote: > David and Jay, > >? > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. No dumb mistake.? Your ability to express yourself in English is *FAR* better than I could ever hope to write in Dutch. I believe that you're referring to the "dust cap" or "dust cover".? I have not seen one of those made of foam either.? See the following: http://www.me.cmu.edu/ctms/modeling/electromechanical/overview/content.htm This component has little effect on the sound but should be replaced as it keeps dirt and ant magnetic particles out of the voice coil gap. They are not expensive. http://www.parts-express.com/catalog/pdf/2009/169pec09.pdf -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 04:14:20 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Sep 9 04:16:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <66644.25802.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 9/8/09, leo valk wrote: > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my > question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my > "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word > cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a > cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in > really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, > which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of > what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a > sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. Well, your English is so good I never suspected that you weren't a native speaker (and a non-decomposed one at that :-) ). Most loudspeakers have a dust cover over the coil, either in the form of a disk or a dome. I would imagine that whoever produces the suspension kit would know of this and provide that part as well. Of course, it wouldn't hurt to ask. From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 9 04:29:08 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Wed Sep 9 04:37:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <232336.51757.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hey Leo, I would also like to compliment you on your written english. I have several Dutch friends and was over at the Rossmalen jukebox show recently.. I think it puts us Brits to shame when nearly everyone you meet there speaks and understands English near perfectly. When I have my Dutch friends over to visit here in Scotland, they often ask what language it is we are speaking. It certainly isn?t the English they have been taught at school. Gary --- On Wed, 9/9/09, leo valk wrote: > From: leo valk > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? > To: "helpdesk juukebox" > Date: Wednesday, 9 September, 2009, 5:24 AM > > David and Jay, > > > > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my > question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my > "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word > cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a > cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in > really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, > which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of > what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a > sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. > > > > I realized this only as I was reading Jay's mail, so sorry > guys! You were right Jay, to never have seen a foam cone! > The foam "dome" on my speakers was indeed glued on the > speaker coil. I understand it would it be possible to > replace or repair that middle bit. Does it need to have the > shape of a dome? Any idea is welcome as to how to replace > and which material to use. > > > > At some stage someone gave an original new spare bass > speaker for the Beovox 5700 I own. When I opened the box > today it looked brand-new, and the cone was still there, > however slightly lifting on one side. I took it off > completely and intended to reglue it. It never got that far, > as it also fell apart. It's obviously an age-thing, rather > then usage related. > > > > Tanks guys and sorry fro giving you the wrong information! > > > > cheers, Leo > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:08:01 -0700 > > From: jay@west.net > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix..com > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing > services? > > > > leo valk wrote: > > > Hi David, > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't got too much knowledge on speakers. Do > I understand this well? > > > Are you saying that a speaker where the cone is > totally deteriorated, can > > > still be used with possibly none or little sound > deterioration? > > > > > > I'm asking as I own two Bang & Olufsen Beovox > 5700 speakers, from which I recently > > > removed the "speaker grille", to find that the > foam cones went sticky and fell > > > to pieces upon checking them out. It would be > great to be able to still use them. > > > > I'm not familiar with that particular speaker, but as > a rule most cones > > aren't made of foam. Traditional speakers, starting at > the center, have > > a voice coil wound on a circular form that protrudes > downward into the > > gap of the pole pieces of a magnet, either permanent > magnet or an > > electromagnet (field coil). The coil is supported on > the outside by a > > "spider" which is typically a corrugated impregnated > cloth or similar > > material attached to the voice coil structure and the > speaker frame. > > Originally these were made of card stock cut out to > look somewhat like > > the legs of a spider. > > > > Attached to the voice coil is the cone. In most cases > these are made of > > stiff paper, but exotic materials such as carbon > fiber, aluminum, many > > plastics, even hemp have been used. I've never seen > foam as the cone. > > > > At the outer edge of the foam is the "surround". This > is a flexible > > material used to support and align the outside edge of > the cone and > > attach it to the speaker basket. Again, a variety of > materials are used > > here. In many cases, particularly speakers made > through the 1960s, the > > surround is part of the cone, formed into a series of > corrugations. > > This is often still the case with some modern > speakers. In addition, > > treated cloth, rubber and other materials have been > used for surrounds. > > > > One material used for surrounds is foam that is glued > to the cone and > > basket. Many varieties of this foam deteriorate over > time and turn to > > a sticky goo over a period of a few years. To the best > of my knowledge, > > few if any jukeboxes made through the 1960s used > original speakers with > > foam surrounds. > > > > Re-foaming is replacement of the foam surrounds. This > is a job that > > many do-it-yourself types including myself have done > successfully. > > Replacement foam surrounds are widely available as > well as specialty > > adhesives to attach them to the cone and speaker > basket. > > > > Reconing is a different process. A good re-cone job > will replace the > > cone, surround, spider, and the voice coil. This is > needed if the cone > > or voice coil is damaged, and is substantially more > expensive than > > replacing foam surrounds. > > > > Small tears or holes in a cone that isn't water > damaged are relatively > > easily patched with diluted white glue and tissue > paper as described > > earlier. If the cone is warped or badly torn, then > reconing or > > replacement are the only options. > > > > Many of the acoustic properties of a speaker are > determined by the > > materials used for both the cone and the surround. > Flexibility, weight, > > shape, etc. will affect the sound. Different materials > aren't > > necessarily "good" or "bad", but their use is governed > by the frequency > > range to be covered by that driver, the amplifier > power, the size and > > design of the cabinet, etc. > > > > Replacement, as others have pointed out, can be > tricky. Without the > > known acoustic and electrical properties of the > original speaker, > > finding a replacement can be at best a close guess. > Jukebox service > > manuals don't have that information. If a sample known > good speaker > > from a specific jukebox could be found, these > characteristics can be > > measured in a reasonably-equipped labor shop. A > frequency sweep to > > determine resonance and graph impedance along with a > calibrated sound > > level meter to graph response are needed. > > > > > > > If repair is needed while the cone is actually > completely gone, what can I do? > > > I assume repair with paper tissue won't be > possible anymore as there's nothing > > > left to go from? How can I obtain a cone shape. > > > > If the cone is gone, then reconing or replacement are > the only options. > > If it's just the surround, that's a much easier fix. > > > > -- > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 > 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > View photos of singles in your area Click Here > http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 07:48:06 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 9 08:06:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <232336.51757.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <348122.56448.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Gary, Leo, A few months ago I ran into either an Irish guy, or a Scott, in downtown San Francisco. Poor guy was seeking directions, but NO one here could understand where he wanted to go ! I finally handed him my pen, and paper, and he wrote it down for me. Turns out he was only a few steps away--but totally lost -- Leo--Your English IS good !?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Gary Young wrote: From: Gary Young Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:29 AM Hey Leo, I would also like to compliment you on your written english. I have several Dutch friends and was over at the Rossmalen jukebox show recently... I think it puts us Brits to shame when nearly everyone you meet there speaks and understands English near perfectly. When I have my Dutch friends over to visit here in Scotland, they often ask what language it is we are speaking. It certainly isn?t the English they have been taught at school. Gary --- On Wed, 9/9/09, leo valk wrote: > From: leo valk > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? > To: "helpdesk juukebox" > Date: Wednesday, 9 September, 2009, 5:24 AM > > David and Jay, > >? > > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my > question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my > "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word > cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a > cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in > really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, > which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of > what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a > sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. > >? > > I realized this only as I was reading Jay's mail, so sorry > guys! You were right Jay, to never have seen a foam cone! > The foam "dome" on my speakers was indeed glued on the > speaker coil. I understand it would it be possible to > replace or repair that middle bit. Does it need to have the > shape of a dome? Any idea is welcome as to how to replace > and which material to use. > >? > > At some stage someone gave an original new spare bass > speaker for the Beovox 5700 I own. When I opened the box > today it looked brand-new, and the cone was still there, > however slightly lifting on one side. I took it off > completely and intended to reglue it. It never got that far, > as it also fell apart. It's obviously an age-thing, rather > then usage related. > >? > > Tanks guys and sorry fro giving you the wrong information! > >? > > cheers, Leo > >? > >? > >? > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:08:01 -0700 > > From: jay@west.net > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix..com > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing > services? > > > > leo valk wrote: > > > Hi David, > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't got too much knowledge on speakers. Do > I understand this well? > > > Are you saying that a speaker where the cone is > totally deteriorated, can > > > still be used with possibly none or little sound > deterioration? > > > > > > I'm asking as I own two Bang & Olufsen Beovox > 5700 speakers, from which I recently > > > removed the "speaker grille", to find that the > foam cones went sticky and fell > > > to pieces upon checking them out. It would be > great to be able to still use them. > > > > I'm not familiar with that particular speaker, but as > a rule most cones > > aren't made of foam. Traditional speakers, starting at > the center, have > > a voice coil wound on a circular form that protrudes > downward into the > > gap of the pole pieces of a magnet, either permanent > magnet or an > > electromagnet (field coil). The coil is supported on > the outside by a > > "spider" which is typically a corrugated impregnated > cloth or similar > > material attached to the voice coil structure and the > speaker frame. > > Originally these were made of card stock cut out to > look somewhat like > > the legs of a spider. > > > > Attached to the voice coil is the cone. In most cases > these are made of > > stiff paper, but exotic materials such as carbon > fiber, aluminum, many > > plastics, even hemp have been used. I've never seen > foam as the cone. > > > > At the outer edge of the foam is the "surround". This > is a flexible > > material used to support and align the outside edge of > the cone and > > attach it to the speaker basket. Again, a variety of > materials are used > > here. In many cases, particularly speakers made > through the 1960s, the > > surround is part of the cone, formed into a series of > corrugations. > > This is often still the case with some modern > speakers. In addition, > > treated cloth, rubber and other materials have been > used for surrounds. > > > > One material used for surrounds is foam that is glued > to the cone and > > basket. Many varieties of this foam deteriorate over > time and turn to > > a sticky goo over a period of a few years. To the best > of my knowledge, > > few if any jukeboxes made through the 1960s used > original speakers with > > foam surrounds. > > > > Re-foaming is replacement of the foam surrounds. This > is a job that > > many do-it-yourself types including myself have done > successfully. > > Replacement foam surrounds are widely available as > well as specialty > > adhesives to attach them to the cone and speaker > basket. > > > > Reconing is a different process. A good re-cone job > will replace the > > cone, surround, spider, and the voice coil. This is > needed if the cone > > or voice coil is damaged, and is substantially more > expensive than > > replacing foam surrounds. > > > > Small tears or holes in a cone that isn't water > damaged are relatively > > easily patched with diluted white glue and tissue > paper as described > > earlier. If the cone is warped or badly torn, then > reconing or > > replacement are the only options. > > > > Many of the acoustic properties of a speaker are > determined by the > > materials used for both the cone and the surround. > Flexibility, weight, > > shape, etc. will affect the sound. Different materials > aren't > > necessarily "good" or "bad", but their use is governed > by the frequency > > range to be covered by that driver, the amplifier > power, the size and > > design of the cabinet, etc. > > > > Replacement, as others have pointed out, can be > tricky. Without the > > known acoustic and electrical properties of the > original speaker, > > finding a replacement can be at best a close guess. > Jukebox service > > manuals don't have that information. If a sample known > good speaker > > from a specific jukebox could be found, these > characteristics can be > > measured in a reasonably-equipped labor shop. A > frequency sweep to > > determine resonance and graph impedance along with a > calibrated sound > > level meter to graph response are needed. > > > > > > > If repair is needed while the cone is actually > completely gone, what can I do? > > > I assume repair with paper tissue won't be > possible anymore as there's nothing > > > left to go from? How can I obtain a cone shape. > > > > If the cone is gone, then reconing or replacement are > the only options. > > If it's just the surround, that's a much easier fix. > > > > -- > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 > 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > View photos of singles in your area Click Here > http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Sep 9 08:46:51 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Sep 9 08:48:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Used capacitors on EBay as new, was: Slightly OT---Be-alert ! In-Reply-To: <914764.48146.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <914764.48146.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AA7CDEB.5050009@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Jay, > I am not sure on that--I blew the photo up as large as I could, and can see no evidence of old solder on the leads ? The one cap that I can ID, which is in front, was last used in the LS-1 phonograph. They had problems with it, and switched to another brand-- Ron Rich They're definitely the old caps. Perhaps the leads were clipped hence no solder. Some rebuilders clip the leads and then make loops to splice in the new part. I will often clip and then use a vacuum desolderer to remove the remaining end from the terminal. The one large capacitor in the front has Mallory's EIA code of 235 followed by 6543A. That capacitor rolled off the assembly line in the 43rd week of 1965. Many of the others are clearly the original wax paper style, not modern replacements, and the leads are all bent up. It is most likely an honest mistake by a seller who isn't familiar with what he has. It would be kind of silly to intentionally try to pawn off that bag of used parts as a new Jukebox Friday Night cap kit. The guy did go through quite a bit of fuss to hype it up, but those are the old used parts. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Sep 9 08:56:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 9 09:00:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Used capacitors on EBay as new, was: Slightly OT--- Be-alert ! Message-ID: <20090909.115646.24170.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: About 4 years ago there was an E Bay seller offering used (some were blown, burnt open--the seller said so) fuses as "genuine Wurlitzer jukebox fuses". They weren't anything special, just 25 typical 3AG-style fuses. Wonder if he had any buyers?? I guess it takes all kinds......... Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save on Cellular Service. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbhAQ3zRHUOl9Z1NExLkw50WmhaW8MMB8zRA210OGmXezYHUGvvyA/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Sep 9 09:25:17 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 9 09:27:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900: Tone-arm Message-ID: <20090909.122517.17935.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Hello Chris: I can understand and appreciate your desire to leave as many authentic original items on yur W 1900 as possible. The thought process behind replacing the cobra pickup cartridge with a newer design is that the records themselves are becoming a disappearing resource. The stylii themselves are a wear item. Most manufacturers have stopped making these replacement cartridges, so your purchasing choices are limited to what "new old stock" is available. If you intend to play the machine a lot, you'll have record wear. The sound quality of a cobra cartridge working properly isn't that objectionable, but it is poor by if judged by today's digital standards. The cobras had their biggest problems when stereo records became the norm. Here's another approach...... What music do you intend to put on your juke?? Will it be of the 50's to match the age period of your juke? In the US, most 45 RPM records pressed before 1963-64 were all mono recordings. If the song was recorded prior to 1958-59, the original recording session was done in mono, so any recent re-issue copies will be in mono. Best of luck with your rsstoration effort, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save on Relocation Services - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTesVe4ZTGhkGaVA9fgjOjJmfqvoAy8BRVfZDyurpGrwdsEOc1dNO/ From jay at west.net Wed Sep 9 09:47:07 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Sep 9 09:48:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Used capacitors on EBay as new, was: Slightly OT---Be-alert ! In-Reply-To: <914764.48146.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <914764.48146.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AA7DC0B.1060705@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Jay, > I am not sure on that--I blew the photo up as large as I could, and can see no evidence of old solder on the leads ? The one cap that I can ID, which is in front, was last used in the LS-1 phonograph. They had problems with it, and switched to another brand-- Ron Rich Even stranger, the same seller is listing a new cap kit for the same amplifier. Compare item 130317987414 and item 140332498771. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 9 09:52:27 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Wed Sep 9 09:59:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <20090909.122517.17935.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <100553.39122.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Jim and Chris, I always used to be a fan of "original is best" and resisted changing the original cartidge and needle on my AMI Continental MK1,(made by Tannoy here in the UK) until someone rather aptly called it the "plough".. I have a lot of fairly rare original 50s and 60s 45s and this set me thinking about their condition deteriorating. I have now opted for modern replacements and in my opinion (only based on limited experience and what friends say), the sound quality from the original rebuilt amp with original speakers is just fantastic when playing my mono 45s. Such a rich mellow sound. Etta James, Howlin Wolf, and Elmore James never sounded better. It seems to be the louder it gets the better it sounds. Lucky I have double glazing and the neighbours are not too near. Regards Gary --- On Wed, 9/9/09, James Alexander wrote: > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900: Tone-arm > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, 9 September, 2009, 5:25 PM > > > Hello Chris: > > I can understand and appreciate your desire to leave as > many authentic original items on yur W 1900 as > possible.? The thought process behind replacing the > cobra pickup cartridge with a newer design is that the > records themselves are becoming a disappearing resource. The > stylii themselves are a wear item.? > > Most manufacturers have stopped making these replacement > cartridges, so your purchasing choices are limited to what > "new old stock" is available.???If you intend > to play the machine a lot, you'll have record > wear.???The sound quality of a cobra > cartridge working properly isn't that objectionable, but it > is poor by if judged by today's digital > standards.???The cobras? had their > biggest problems when stereo records became the norm. > > Here's another approach......? What music do you > intend to put on your juke??? Will it be of the 50's to > match the age period of your juke?? ? In the US, > most 45 RPM records pressed before 1963-64 were all mono > recordings.? ? If the song was recorded prior to > 1958-59, the original recording session was done in mono, so > any recent re-issue copies will be in mono.? > > Best of luck with your rsstoration effort, > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save on Relocation Services - Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTesVe4ZTGhkGaVA9fgjOjJmfqvoAy8BRVfZDyurpGrwdsEOc1dNO/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From berrycbell at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 10:29:32 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Wed Sep 9 10:31:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <100553.39122.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20090909.122517.17935.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <100553.39122.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello, I must weigh in here. (I'm sure this topic has been covered ad nauseum in the past.) I have been collecting jukeboxes for 20 years and have never had an issue with the 50's cobra cartridge, or any other for that matter, including the GE VRII's that I have installed in my AMI H, I's & Continental. Absolutely, a personal choice, but I am one of those advocates for the original cartridge. It was the technology of the time, it was carefully thought out by the specific jukebox manufacturer of that time. The cobra certainly sounds better with monoral records, but some stereo records play just fine. Would I put in a Beatles "4x4" 45 to play regularly on a Wurlitzer 2000 with a cobra? Probably not, however, I have never had to change out any of my 45's due to record wear in my 50's Wurlitzers...and they all use the Cobra cartridge. My machines have all had the electronics rebuilt, tonearms are balanced and hopefully have close to the appropriate manufacturer weight. (I have never owned a tonearm gauge...I go strictly by feel) While I may be anal about original cartridges in these machines, I think it is over the top that 45's suffer irreparable harm after 50 plays or more. Of course, the records will deteriorate after every single play, but most of us can't hear the difference. Some record labels offered better vinyl than others, but for arguments sake I say.......Let me play, and enjoy them as they were intended to sound. Jim D. makes a good suggestion for Chris's 1900. If you're unhappy with the cobra then change it out to something that you like better, BUT save the original. Funny thing is, when you get ready to sell that 1900, the new potential owner is going to ask you...."is the tonearm/cartridge the original cobra"? If it's been permanently changed, the value for the jukebox will absolutely be less. I don't know of any collectors interested in buying a 50's Wurlitzer where the sound system has been altered. Sincerely, Berry Bell On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Gary Young wrote: > Jim and Chris, I always used to be a fan of "original is best" and resisted > changing the original cartidge and needle on my AMI Continental MK1,(made by > Tannoy here in the UK) until someone rather aptly called it the "plough".. I > have a lot of fairly rare original 50s and 60s 45s and this set me thinking > about their condition deteriorating. I have now opted for modern > replacements and in my opinion (only based on limited experience and what > friends say), the sound quality from the original rebuilt amp with original > speakers is just fantastic when playing my mono 45s. Such a rich mellow > sound. Etta James, Howlin Wolf, and Elmore James never sounded better. It > seems to be the louder it gets the better it sounds. Lucky I have double > glazing and the neighbours are not too near. > > Regards > > Gary > > --- On Wed, 9/9/09, James Alexander wrote: > > > From: James Alexander > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900: Tone-arm > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Date: Wednesday, 9 September, 2009, 5:25 PM > > > > > > Hello Chris: > > > > I can understand and appreciate your desire to leave as > > many authentic original items on yur W 1900 as > > possible. The thought process behind replacing the > > cobra pickup cartridge with a newer design is that the > > records themselves are becoming a disappearing resource. The > > stylii themselves are a wear item. > > > > Most manufacturers have stopped making these replacement > > cartridges, so your purchasing choices are limited to what > > "new old stock" is available. If you intend > > to play the machine a lot, you'll have record > > wear. The sound quality of a cobra > > cartridge working properly isn't that objectionable, but it > > is poor by if judged by today's digital > > standards. The cobras had their > > biggest problems when stereo records became the norm. > > > > Here's another approach...... What music do you > > intend to put on your juke?? Will it be of the 50's to > > match the age period of your juke? In the US, > > most 45 RPM records pressed before 1963-64 were all mono > > recordings. If the song was recorded prior to > > 1958-59, the original recording session was done in mono, so > > any recent re-issue copies will be in mono. > > > > Best of luck with your rsstoration effort, > > > > Jim Alexander > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Save on Relocation Services - Click here. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTesVe4ZTGhkGaVA9fgjOjJmfqvoAy8BRVfZDyurpGrwdsEOc1dNO/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From cdstock at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 10:45:02 2009 From: cdstock at gmail.com (cdstock) Date: Wed Sep 9 10:46:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Used capacitors on EBay as new, was: Slightly OT---Be-alert ! In-Reply-To: <4AA7DC0B.1060705@west.net> References: <914764.48146.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AA7DC0B.1060705@west.net> Message-ID: <5e0bc7060909091045w216d9a6aq544744a9be1c2560@mail.gmail.com> To me it looks as though the leads are still there folded up. Still old of course, but may be 'new.' Chad On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Ron Rich wrote: >> >> Jay, >> I am not sure on that--I blew the photo up as large as I could, and can >> see no evidence of old solder on the leads ? ? The one cap that I can ID, >> which is in front, was last used in the LS-1 phonograph. They had problems >> with it, and switched to another brand-- ?Ron Rich > > Even stranger, the same seller is listing a new cap kit for the same > amplifier. ?Compare item 130317987414 and item 140332498771. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service ?- ?http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 10:49:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 9 10:51:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Used capacitors on EBay as new, was: Slightly OT--- Be-alert ! In-Reply-To: <20090909.115646.24170.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <49255.59972.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey Guys, Along that line---I gotta bridge here in San Fransicko for sale--as"seen on TV"--was just fixed yesterday ( or the day before), and was certified "safer then ever "--Make me an offer I can't refuse, as it is being replaced soon by a new one !!? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Used capacitors on EBay as new, was: Slightly OT--- Be-alert ! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 8:56 AM Gentlemen: About 4 years ago there was an E Bay seller offering? used? (some were blown, burnt open--the seller said so)? fuses as "genuine Wurlitzer jukebox fuses".? They weren't anything special, just 25 typical 3AG-style fuses.???Wonder if he had any buyers??? ???I guess it takes all kinds......... Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save on Cellular Service. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbhAQ3zRHUOl9Z1NExLkw50WmhaW8MMB8zRA210OGmXezYHUGvvyA/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 07:38:21 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 9 11:09:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <774825011-1252492066-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1493279767-@bda911.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <167803.80197.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Scott, Ron here--I THINK I see why--but I don't know why--When I "reply" to this message on the list, I see your address, along with the "list" in my "To box". Normally I only see the list there ?? I have no idea what causes that ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 3:27 AM Jay (not Ron, per se), I get duplicates of every message Ron posts. Nobody else's do this. I'm sure Ron's not doing anything wrong, just wanted you to know in case you wanted to look into it. No biggie though. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 02:33:21 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Jay, and all, I have seen "foam" dust covers, made from "open cell" type material--don't recall where-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 10:48 PM leo valk wrote: > David and Jay, > >? > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. No dumb mistake.? Your ability to express yourself in English is *FAR* better than I could ever hope to write in Dutch. I believe that you're referring to the "dust cap" or "dust cover".? I have not seen one of those made of foam either.? See the following: http://www.me.cmu.edu/ctms/modeling/electromechanical/overview/content.htm This component has little effect on the sound but should be replaced as it keeps dirt and ant magnetic particles out of the voice coil gap. They are not expensive. http://www.parts-express.com/catalog/pdf/2009/169pec09.pdf -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Sep 9 11:19:48 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Sep 9 11:21:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <167803.80197.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <167803.80197.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AA7F1C4.5000303@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi Scott, > Ron here--I THINK I see why--but I don't know why--When I "reply" to this message on the list, I see your address, along with the "list" in my "To box". Normally I only see the list there ? I have no idea what causes that ? Ron Rich There should be two options in the mail program, "reply" and "reply all". Select "reply" to just go to the list. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Sep 9 11:39:24 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Sep 9 11:41:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT Bridge In-Reply-To: <49255.59972.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <49255.59972.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2E6094B8-AC68-4B37-A370-1CD564ABBFD1@verizon.net> Ron, I will buy your Bridge if you will buy mine....The Chesapeake Bay Bridge is Constantly under repair and new sections put in.....what a traffic nightmare and we who travel it don't feel much safer! Jackie Dancin' Out On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Hey Guys, > Along that line---I gotta bridge here in San Fransicko for sale-- > as"seen on TV"--was just fixed yesterday ( or the day before), and > was certified "safer then ever "--Make me an offer I can't refuse, > as it is being replaced soon by a new one !! Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 9/9/09, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Used capacitors on EBay as new, was: > Slightly OT--- Be-alert ! > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 8:56 AM > > > > Gentlemen: > > About 4 years ago there was an E Bay seller offering used (some > were blown, burnt open--the seller said so) fuses as "genuine > Wurlitzer jukebox fuses". They weren't anything special, just 25 > typical 3AG-style fuses. Wonder if he had any buyers?? I guess > it takes all kinds......... > > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save on Cellular Service. Click Now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbhAQ3zRHUOl9Z1NExLkw50WmhaW8MMB8zRA210OGmXezYHUGvvyA/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Wed Sep 9 12:10:33 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Wed Sep 9 12:12:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Used capacitors on EBay as new, was: Slightly OT---Be-alert ! In-Reply-To: <5e0bc7060909091045w216d9a6aq544744a9be1c2560@mail.gmail.com> References: <914764.48146.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4AA7DC0B.1060705@west.net> <5e0bc7060909091045w216d9a6aq544744a9be1c2560@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBFF98573CF725-1648-D728@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> I sent him an email thru ebay and asked if he was sure they were NOS, as they did not look like it, and he told me he was going to remove the item, as he did not want to sell it if it wasn't correct. -----Original Message----- From: cdstock To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 10:45 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Used capacitors on EBay as new, was: Slightly OT---Be-alert ! To me it looks as though the leads are still there folded up. Still old of course, but may be 'new.' Chad On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Ron Rich wrote: >> >> Jay, >> I am not sure on that--I blew the photo up as large as I could, and can >> see no evidence of old solder on the leads ? ? The one cap that I can ID, >> which is in front, was last used in the LS-1 phonograph. They had problems >> with it, and switched to another brand-- ?Ron Rich > > Even stranger, the same seller is listing a new cap kit for the same > amplifier. ?Compare item 130317987414 and item 140332498771. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service ?- ?http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From scott at steelhouseauctions.com Wed Sep 9 12:54:37 2009 From: scott at steelhouseauctions.com (Scott Plutchok) Date: Wed Sep 9 12:56:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT---Be-alert ! In-Reply-To: <337978.85428.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <337978.85428.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, That's my listing! I posted the bag on eBay months ago. I've removed it as you pointed out it may be a bag of used caps. At the time I listed them I also listed other Jukebox Friday Night kits that I found in the estate. I'm not active on eBay right now as I'm undertaking several home improvement projects and enjoying whats left of the summer. Please note that the late owner of this lot was an electrician: these caps may actually be good caps that may be of use to someone. I will take additional photos for all to inspect. I don't know how to use a multimeter yet but this is a very good reason to learn. Weird how long it took for someone to point this out to me. I'm not looking to screw anyone with this lot. I just thought someone who knew what these were could use them. Regards, Scott > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 22:44:40 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com; seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com > CC: > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT---Be-alert ! > > I usually do not comment on "stuff" I see on eBay, but I "gotta" on this ! Item # 140332498771, is a bag of about 35 year old caps, being sold as "good--" "NOS". Way out of line IMHO ! > Ron Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview From jay at west.net Wed Sep 9 12:55:33 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Sep 9 12:57:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Old, bad parts on EBay... In-Reply-To: <2E6094B8-AC68-4B37-A370-1CD564ABBFD1@verizon.net> References: <49255.59972.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <2E6094B8-AC68-4B37-A370-1CD564ABBFD1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4AA80835.4020603@west.net> James Alexander wrote: >> Gentlemen: >> >> About 4 years ago there was an E Bay seller offering used (some were >> blown, burnt open--the seller said so) fuses as "genuine Wurlitzer >> jukebox fuses". They weren't anything special, just 25 typical >> 3AG-style fuses. Wonder if he had any buyers?? I guess it takes >> all kinds......... Indeed. Of note there seem to be two groups of people who may have use for old paper capacitors. Electric guitar aficionados are in love with certain values of the black "bumblebee" caps as they were used in many original Fender guitars. Within the guitar itself there isn't substantial voltage across the capacitor, and distortion isn't always a bad thing so leakage isn't a major factor. As coupling capacitors in an amplifier, those bumblebees definitely won't fly. Old paper capacitors are used by vintage radio rebuilders, and I suppose someone who wanted an absolutely original-looking jukebox could do this as well. The capacitor is heated and the old guts pulled out of the cardboard tube. A modern film capacitor of the same value is inserted into the tube and it is then filled with new wax or hot-melt glue. This results in a good capacitor in an original-looking package. This doesn't work with the molded plastic over paper style like the bumblebee and similar. And I can even see someone buying blown fuses with the integral cap as these are becoming scarce and could be reworked with a regular 3AG fuse. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Sep 9 13:05:17 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 9 13:08:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Message-ID: <20090909.160517.11141.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Generally it has been the more recent (70's and newer) stereo 45's that the original mono-element cartridges (i.e. Wurlitzer-Zenith Cobra , Seeburg mono redheads, GE VR series et al.) have trouble navigating. Recordings that have widely separated stereo effects, high volume,compressed bass/drum mixes, etc will have the greatest tracking error, record wear and audio distortion. Stereo recordings modulated at average volume levels tend to play OK on the old cartridge setups. There's an argument for making the technical upgrades because of less record wear, continued availability of replacement stylii at reasonable prices, and the significantly better sound. Like Jim Dirksen, For my repair customers, I recommend hanging onto the original parts and carefully documenting any electronic changes, in the event of product resale. I understand the desire of some owners wanting to keep a machine 100% original,and I respect that when making repairs. I have to disagree with the opinion of some writers to this site concerning modifications. Personally, I have yet to see where a prospective classic juke owner has asked to have an original (marginal) cartridge setup reinstalled or wanted to bargain down the jukes' sell price due to a tech improvement like this being in place. Most owners I've encountered are glad to have carefully-done tech updates. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for great quotes from top international movers! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZJC1hugV4RBpzX1vhnbADDi0bEm9NZthFOLwaepttPCwyLj1tGO8/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Sep 9 13:10:51 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 9 13:14:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Message-ID: <20090909.161051.11141.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> I have to agree with you. There have been tremendous engineering improvements in both phono cartridges (before vinyl was phased out of common use) and speakers/drive units over the last 50 years. Carefully-implemented tech improvements that are documented (don't keep them a secret to the machine owner) add to the enjoyment of a classic jukebox. Enjoy your blues! Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for the latest in magnetic therapy technology! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSnNguYgc9zbFM63VLKp3T7kDCvwMu80MWQssNOZMR2YdA1IXQYWc/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Sep 9 13:27:30 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 9 13:29:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Old, bad parts on EBay... Message-ID: <20090909.162730.11141.2@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Jay: The E Bay ad I saw was selling the typical Bussman 3AG type fuses that are readily available. In some instances I've seen E Bay sellers that are tasked with selling off a departed family members' collectibles when the seller had little knowledge or interest of the goods being offered. I've done some electronic restoration work for musicians and their classic guitar/keyboard amps. Some of these guys have some quirky ideas as to what makes an electronic system have great tone. Oh, the stories we could tell.......... Jim Alexander P.S. Jay, in case it helps you, a few of the parts houses that cater specifically to musicians are offering freshly made multi-section filter can capacitors, the "black cat" molded coupling caps etc. These parts are usually made in small production runs and carry fairly high prices. ____________________________________________________________ Get a new look with a new pair of eye glasses. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTAb8wBMCQuUu3pu2xtliEzBghxdstk5VvX2KSiGKICsZ03yuXKRS/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 16:30:10 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 9 16:31:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <4AA7F1C4.5000303@west.net> Message-ID: <56373.33873.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It's a "yes-no-maybe" thing--I'm a "no"? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:19 AM Ron Rich wrote: > Hi Scott, > Ron here--I THINK I see why--but I don't know why--When I "reply" to this message on the list, I see your address, along with the "list" in my "To box". Normally I only see the list there ?? I have no idea what causes that ?? Ron Rich There should be two options in the mail program, "reply" and "reply all".? Select "reply" to just go to the list. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobe at halted.com Wed Sep 9 16:14:34 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Wed Sep 9 16:31:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900: Tone-arm Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090909231434.00993cd0@hsces.com> At 11:56 PM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote: >It's a good advice, Dirk, and I will truly consider it! Because I will certainly continue to search the "blue" tone arm, I like that of having an "upgraded" one that can freely exchange with the fully original one. Is item # 190333742623 on eBay one like you are looking for? The pictures on this auction are so bad, I can't even tell the color... --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 16:31:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 9 16:33:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT Bridge In-Reply-To: <2E6094B8-AC68-4B37-A370-1CD564ABBFD1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <596962.41156.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, Is that one of those "shovel ready" projects --too ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT Bridge To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:39 AM Ron, I will buy your Bridge if you will buy mine....The Chesapeake Bay Bridge is Constantly under repair and new sections put in.....what a traffic nightmare and we who travel it don't feel much safer! Jackie Dancin' Out On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Hey Guys, > Along that line---I gotta bridge here in San Fransicko for sale--as"seen on TV"--was just fixed yesterday ( or the day before), and was certified "safer then ever "--Make me an offer I can't refuse, as it is being replaced soon by a new one !!? Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 9/9/09, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Used capacitors on EBay as new, was: Slightly OT--- Be-alert ! > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 8:56 AM > > > > Gentlemen: > > About 4 years ago there was an E Bay seller offering? used? (some were blown, burnt open--the seller said so)? fuses as "genuine Wurlitzer jukebox fuses".? They weren't anything special, just 25 typical 3AG-style fuses.???Wonder if he had any buyers??? ???I guess it takes all kinds......... > > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save on Cellular Service. Click Now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbhAQ3zRHUOl9Z1NExLkw50WmhaW8MMB8zRA210OGmXezYHUGvvyA/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Wed Sep 9 16:42:57 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Wed Sep 9 16:44:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 2610 - estimated value? Message-ID: Hey guys, I spotted this on ebay #140344954237 "Vintage 1962 Wurlitzer 2610 Jukebox Complete & Working" and was wondering if USD$1,200 was a fair/average price for a machine in this condition ? Judging by that, my Wurly 2600 for CDN$500 was a score. The only things missing from mine are the lower door, top tunes unit, and the "wurlitzer features music of the week" signs. I'm not interested in this machine, just had to point it out coz you don't see a lot on this side of the border! Now if it were a parts-only machine I'd jump on it! (obviously not at $1200 tho) Chris From s.cummings4738 at att.net Wed Sep 9 16:42:51 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Wed Sep 9 16:46:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Message-ID: <590445602-1252539854-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1618011650-@bda427.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Ironic that I got this twice. LOL ------Original Message------ From: Ron Rich Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: s.cummings4738@att.net To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Sent: Sep 9, 2009 9:38 AM Hi Scott, Ron here--I THINK I see why--but I don't know why--When I "reply" to this message on the list, I see your address, along with the "list" in my "To box". Normally I only see the list there ?? I have no idea what causes that ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 3:27 AM Jay (not Ron, per se), I get duplicates of every message Ron posts. Nobody else's do this. I'm sure Ron's not doing anything wrong, just wanted you to know in case you wanted to look into it. No biggie though. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 02:33:21 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Jay, and all, I have seen "foam" dust covers, made from "open cell" type material--don't recall where-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 10:48 PM leo valk wrote: > David and Jay, > >? > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. No dumb mistake.? Your ability to express yourself in English is *FAR* better than I could ever hope to write in Dutch. I believe that you're referring to the "dust cap" or "dust cover".? I have not seen one of those made of foam either.? See the following: http://www.me.cmu.edu/ctms/modeling/electromechanical/overview/content.htm This component has little effect on the sound but should be replaced as it keeps dirt and ant magnetic particles out of the voice coil gap. They are not expensive. http://www.parts-express.com/catalog/pdf/2009/169pec09.pdf -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 16:45:29 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 9 16:47:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT---Be-alert ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <422420.87827.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, I understand--however an"multi meter" won't tell you if these are "good" or not. The one is code dated to 1965, and most of these type caps have a "life" of ten-15 years. Even when tested with a great (ie: expensive) cap meter, I would not trust them long enough to apply power-- Ron --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Plutchok wrote: From: Scott Plutchok Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT---Be-alert ! To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 12:54 PM Ron, That's my listing! I posted the bag on eBay months ago. I've removed it as you pointed out it may be a bag of used caps. At the time I listed them I also listed other Jukebox Friday Night kits that I found in the estate. I'm not active on eBay right now as I'm undertaking several home improvement projects and enjoying whats left of the summer. Please note that the late owner of this lot was an electrician: these caps may actually be good caps that may be of use to someone. I will take additional photos for all to inspect. I don't know how to use a multimeter yet but this is a very good reason to learn. Weird how long it took for someone to point this out to me.? I'm not looking to screw anyone with this lot. I just thought someone who knew what these were could use them. Regards, Scott > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 22:44:40 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com; seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com > CC: > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT---Be-alert ! > > I usually do not comment on "stuff" I see on eBay, but I "gotta" on this !? Item # 140332498771, is a bag of about 35 year old caps, being sold as "good--" "NOS". Way out of line IMHO ! > Ron Rich > > > >? ? ??? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Wed Sep 9 16:52:42 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Wed Sep 9 16:54:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... In-Reply-To: <56373.33873.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBFFBFC1A3C3D1-39EC-16C12@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> OK gang, Here is what's up.? I am finishing up a very nice Sburg C that was a very unmolested machine to start with. I cleaned the mech the way I usually do, powerwash the heck out of it, lube it, dry, etc. and its scanning fine. What its not doing, is putting the tonearm where it belongs.? The carriage as I call it, moves left to right as it should, but the tonearm just sits there, leaning to the left.? When an even number (bottom) is selected, carrage moves to the left, but tone arm will not touch record, even if you try and force it over, no way.? On the other side, when you play an odd number selection, the tone arm sags to the right and actually gets hit by the record coming into place. If you hold the tonearm to the left, once the record sets in place, it will play as usual.?I think there must be something not lubed thats binding, but I have no clue what it is.? Couldnt find it address in any of my literature, manual, etc.? Ideas from the gang?? Thanks, EMB From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 16:54:21 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 9 16:55:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <20090909.160517.11141.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <298884.71675.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy's, I have had no one that I can re-call, ever object to an improved cartridge either (other than the price of the new part(s). Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 1:05 PM Gentlemen: Generally it has been the more recent (70's and newer) stereo 45's that the original mono-element cartridges? (i.e. Wurlitzer-Zenith Cobra , Seeburg mono redheads, GE VR series et al.) have trouble navigating.? ???Recordings that have widely separated stereo effects, high volume,compressed bass/drum mixes, etc???will have the greatest tracking error, record wear and audio distortion.? ? Stereo recordings? modulated at average volume levels tend to play OK on the old cartridge setups. There's an argument for making the technical upgrades because of less record wear, continued availability of replacement stylii at reasonable prices, and the significantly better sound.? Like Jim Dirksen, For my repair customers, I? recommend? hanging onto the original parts and carefully documenting any electronic changes, in the event of product resale.? I understand the desire of some owners wanting to keep a machine 100% original,and I respect that when making repairs.???I have to disagree with the opinion of some writers to this site concerning modifications. Personally, I have yet to see where a prospective classic juke owner has asked to have an original (marginal) cartridge setup reinstalled or wanted to bargain down the jukes' sell price due to a tech improvement like this being in place.? ? Most owners I've encountered are glad to have carefully-done tech updates. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for great quotes from top international movers! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZJC1hugV4RBpzX1vhnbADDi0bEm9NZthFOLwaepttPCwyLj1tGO8/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Sep 9 16:56:41 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Sep 9 16:58:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 2610 - estimated value? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AA840B9.3050906@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > Hey guys, > > I spotted this on ebay #140344954237 "Vintage 1962 Wurlitzer 2610 > Jukebox Complete & Working" and was wondering if USD$1,200 was a > fair/average price for a machine in this condition ? Cosmetically from the pictures it looks pretty good. It looks like that's a stepper in there which would increase the value, or is that the early style top-tunes box?. I'd say it's easily worth $1200 to the right buyer. More likely to fetch that in a better economy of course. > Judging by that, my Wurly 2600 for CDN$500 was a score. The only things > missing from mine are the lower door, top tunes unit, and the "wurlitzer > features music of the week" signs. Probably true. You could buy it and swap parts to make a very nice 200-select box and sell the almost-complete 2610. :-) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Wed Sep 9 17:02:00 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Sep 9 17:03:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... In-Reply-To: <8CBFFBFC1A3C3D1-39EC-16C12@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBFFBFC1A3C3D1-39EC-16C12@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4AA841F8.2040100@west.net> edbap@aol.com wrote: > I cleaned the mech the way I usually do, powerwash the heck out of it, lube it, dry, etc. and its scanning fine. What its not doing, is putting the tonearm where it belongs.? The carriage as I call it, moves left to right as it should, but the tonearm just sits there, leaning to the left.? When an even number (bottom) is selected, carrage moves to the left, but tone arm will not touch record, even if you try and force it over, no way.? On the other side, when you play an odd number selection, the tone arm sags to the right and actually gets hit by the record coming into place. If you hold the tonearm to the left, once the record sets in place, it will play as usual.?I think there must be something not lubed thats binding, but I have no clue what it is.? Couldnt find it address in any of my literature, manual, etc.? Ideas from the gang?? Thanks, EMB I assume both springs are in place? There's a roller near the bottom of the tonearm. A fork that engages that roller to move the tonearm away from the record at trip and during loading. Examine those parts to ensure that they're working as they should. Also check the base of the tonearm with the cylinder of damping fluid. Are the pivots at the ends of this cylinder where they belong or has the whole assembly somehow shifted? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 9 17:47:13 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Sep 9 17:49:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? References: <20090909.122517.17935.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <100553.39122.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002f01ca31b0$3d1ac490$6101a8c0@Dirksen> "The cobra certainly sounds better with monaural records, but some stereo records play just fine". "The sound quality of a cobra cartridge working properly isn't that objectionable". These two statements say it all. Nowhere in this thread do you hear anyone say "cobras sound great", "my W1900 sounds just as good as my Seeburg R or AMI I200", or even "cobras sound good". Ever wonder why Wurlitzer used a different cartridge on the first (2300 and 2400) stereo models? I've taught my young sons not to use the word "hate" in describing something they don't like, so I'll just say cobras suck. :) Berry, you know I love you man, but I gotta disagree. Later, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berry Bell" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > Hello, > > I must weigh in here. (I'm sure this topic has been covered ad nauseum in > the past.) I have been collecting jukeboxes for 20 years and have never > had > an issue with the 50's cobra cartridge, or any other for that matter, > including the GE VRII's that I have installed in my AMI H, I's & > Continental. > > Absolutely, a personal choice, but I am one of those advocates for the > original cartridge. It was the technology of the time, it was carefully > thought out by the specific jukebox manufacturer of that time. The cobra > certainly sounds better with monoral records, but some stereo records play > just fine. Would I put in a Beatles "4x4" 45 to play regularly on a > Wurlitzer 2000 with a cobra? Probably not, however, I have never had to > change out any of my 45's due to record wear in my 50's Wurlitzers...and > they all use the Cobra cartridge. My machines have all had the electronics > rebuilt, tonearms are balanced and hopefully have close to the appropriate > manufacturer weight. (I have never owned a tonearm gauge...I go strictly > by > feel) While I may be anal about original cartridges in these machines, I > think it is over the top that 45's suffer irreparable harm after 50 plays > or > more. Of course, the records will deteriorate after every single play, > but > most of us can't hear the difference. Some record labels offered better > vinyl than others, but for arguments sake I say.......Let me play, and > enjoy > them as they were intended to sound. > > Jim D. makes a good suggestion for Chris's 1900. If you're unhappy with > the > cobra then change it out to something that you like better, BUT save the > original. Funny thing is, when you get ready to sell that 1900, the new > potential owner is going to ask you...."is the tonearm/cartridge the > original cobra"? If it's been permanently changed, the value for the > jukebox will absolutely be less. I don't know of any collectors > interested > in buying a 50's Wurlitzer where the sound system has been altered. > > Sincerely, > Berry Bell > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Gary Young > wrote: > >> Jim and Chris, I always used to be a fan of "original is best" and >> resisted >> changing the original cartidge and needle on my AMI Continental MK1,(made >> by >> Tannoy here in the UK) until someone rather aptly called it the >> "plough".. I >> have a lot of fairly rare original 50s and 60s 45s and this set me >> thinking >> about their condition deteriorating. I have now opted for modern >> replacements and in my opinion (only based on limited experience and what >> friends say), the sound quality from the original rebuilt amp with >> original >> speakers is just fantastic when playing my mono 45s. Such a rich mellow >> sound. Etta James, Howlin Wolf, and Elmore James never sounded better. It >> seems to be the louder it gets the better it sounds. Lucky I have double >> glazing and the neighbours are not too near. >> >> Regards >> >> Gary >> >> --- On Wed, 9/9/09, James Alexander wrote: >> >> > From: James Alexander >> > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900: Tone-arm >> > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > Date: Wednesday, 9 September, 2009, 5:25 PM >> > >> > >> > Hello Chris: >> > >> > I can understand and appreciate your desire to leave as >> > many authentic original items on yur W 1900 as >> > possible. The thought process behind replacing the >> > cobra pickup cartridge with a newer design is that the >> > records themselves are becoming a disappearing resource. The >> > stylii themselves are a wear item. >> > >> > Most manufacturers have stopped making these replacement >> > cartridges, so your purchasing choices are limited to what >> > "new old stock" is available. If you intend >> > to play the machine a lot, you'll have record >> > wear. The sound quality of a cobra >> > cartridge working properly isn't that objectionable, but it >> > is poor by if judged by today's digital >> > standards. The cobras had their >> > biggest problems when stereo records became the norm. >> > >> > Here's another approach...... What music do you >> > intend to put on your juke?? Will it be of the 50's to >> > match the age period of your juke? In the US, >> > most 45 RPM records pressed before 1963-64 were all mono >> > recordings. If the song was recorded prior to >> > 1958-59, the original recording session was done in mono, so >> > any recent re-issue copies will be in mono. >> > >> > Best of luck with your rsstoration effort, >> > >> > Jim Alexander >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > Save on Relocation Services - Click here. >> > >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTesVe4ZTGhkGaVA9fgjOjJmfqvoAy8BRVfZDyurpGrwdsEOc1dNO/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From s.cummings4738 at att.net Wed Sep 9 17:51:14 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Wed Sep 9 17:53:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Message-ID: <590445602-1252543884-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838282888-@bda427.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Ironic that I got this twice. LOL ------Original Message------ From: Ron Rich Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: s.cummings4738@att.net To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Sent: Sep 9, 2009 10:38 AM Hi Scott, Ron here--I THINK I see why--but I don't know why--When I "reply" to this message on the list, I see your address, along with the "list" in my "To box". Normally I only see the list there ?? I have no idea what causes that ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 3:27 AM Jay (not Ron, per se), I get duplicates of every message Ron posts. Nobody else's do this. I'm sure Ron's not doing anything wrong, just wanted you to know in case you wanted to look into it. No biggie though. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 02:33:21 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Jay, and all, I have seen "foam" dust covers, made from "open cell" type material--don't recall where-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 10:48 PM leo valk wrote: > David and Jay, > >? > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. No dumb mistake.? Your ability to express yourself in English is *FAR* better than I could ever hope to write in Dutch. I believe that you're referring to the "dust cap" or "dust cover".? I have not seen one of those made of foam either.? See the following: http://www.me.cmu.edu/ctms/modeling/electromechanical/overview/content.htm This component has little effect on the sound but should be replaced as it keeps dirt and ant magnetic particles out of the voice coil gap. They are not expensive. http://www.parts-express.com/catalog/pdf/2009/169pec09.pdf -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 19:15:23 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Wed Sep 9 19:17:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 2610 - estimated value? In-Reply-To: <4AA840B9.3050906@west.net> References: <4AA840B9.3050906@west.net> Message-ID: Looks like a stepper to me... In a better economy, I'd agree with Jay, but I have a 2510 that is just "slightly" below that in cosmetic condition (maybe equal if I dusted it off a little) that would not sell for $500 when advertised in the Dallas/Waco/Austin/Houston,TX markets. It selected played fine, but needed the amp rebuilt for sound issues. (probably can be said about the advertised 2610 since it also had sound issues). In fact only had *ONE* call when I offered $600 for it AND a nice Rowe JAL also advertised for $250. That buyer never returned my response. Times are hard if you are trying to sell something, and I sure hope there aren't too many others like me parting out stuff for space reasons... :( On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Chris Ralph wrote: > >> Hey guys, >> >> I spotted this on ebay #140344954237 "Vintage 1962 Wurlitzer 2610 Jukebox >> Complete & Working" and was wondering if USD$1,200 was a fair/average price >> for a machine in this condition ? >> > > Cosmetically from the pictures it looks pretty good. It looks like that's a > stepper in there which would increase the value, or is that the early style > top-tunes box?. I'd say it's easily worth $1200 to the right buyer. More > likely to fetch that in a better economy of course. > > Judging by that, my Wurly 2600 for CDN$500 was a score. The only things >> missing from mine are the lower door, top tunes unit, and the "wurlitzer >> features music of the week" signs. >> > > Probably true. You could buy it and swap parts to make a very nice > 200-select box and sell the almost-complete 2610. :-) > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From webmaster at guestwho.com Wed Sep 9 19:35:19 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Wed Sep 9 19:37:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 2610 - estimated value? In-Reply-To: References: <4AA840B9.3050906@west.net> Message-ID: It's a top tunes unit I believe - the 2600 (and I guess the 2610 too?) apparently use a purely electrical approach that connects to keyboard circuit and generates selections that way (as opposed to a second motor and set of fingers that mounts on the mech). I was told it looks just like a stepper. The 2500 may be one of the models with the mechanical fingers/motors, I'm not sure. I had this discussion a few months back with someone but I don't recall all the models mentioned. Re the sound issues, yes I can identify with those because my 2600 did the same thing except it faded out completely after a few minutes, not just up and down. In the process of recapping the amp now. I can identify with space issues - my 2600 is buried in the "crap room" corner - I have to re-arrange everything just to move it out to work on! No way I'm letting go of it though. Very sad that anyone would have to part out a working machine just for lack of buyers and space. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Teeter" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 2610 - estimated value? > Looks like a stepper to me... In a better economy, I'd agree with Jay, but > I > have a 2510 that is just "slightly" below that in cosmetic condition > (maybe > equal if I dusted it off a little) that would not sell for $500 when > advertised in the Dallas/Waco/Austin/Houston,TX markets. It selected > played > fine, but needed the amp rebuilt for sound issues. (probably can be said > about the advertised 2610 since it also had sound issues). In fact only > had *ONE* call when I offered $600 for it AND a nice Rowe JAL also > advertised for $250. That buyer never returned my response. Times are hard > if you are trying to sell something, and I sure hope there aren't too many > others like me parting out stuff for space reasons... :( > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > >> Chris Ralph wrote: >> >>> Hey guys, >>> >>> I spotted this on ebay #140344954237 "Vintage 1962 Wurlitzer 2610 >>> Jukebox >>> Complete & Working" and was wondering if USD$1,200 was a fair/average >>> price >>> for a machine in this condition ? >>> >> >> Cosmetically from the pictures it looks pretty good. It looks like that's >> a >> stepper in there which would increase the value, or is that the early >> style >> top-tunes box?. I'd say it's easily worth $1200 to the right buyer. >> More >> likely to fetch that in a better economy of course. >> >> Judging by that, my Wurly 2600 for CDN$500 was a score. The only things >>> missing from mine are the lower door, top tunes unit, and the "wurlitzer >>> features music of the week" signs. >>> >> >> Probably true. You could buy it and swap parts to make a very nice >> 200-select box and sell the almost-complete 2610. :-) >> >> -- >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 19:41:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 9 19:43:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <590445602-1252539854-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1618011650-@bda427.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <530170.64892.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, No--I knew you would--and this one too--change your setting-- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:42 PM Ironic that I got this twice. LOL ------Original Message------ From: Ron Rich Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: s.cummings4738@att.net To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Sent: Sep 9, 2009 9:38 AM Hi Scott, Ron here--I THINK I see why--but I don't know why--When I "reply" to this message on the list, I see your address, along with the "list" in my "To box". Normally I only see the list there ?? I have no idea what causes that ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 3:27 AM Jay (not Ron, per se), I get duplicates of every message Ron posts. Nobody else's do this. I'm sure Ron's not doing anything wrong, just wanted you to know in case you wanted to look into it. No biggie though. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 02:33:21 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Jay, and all, I have seen "foam" dust covers, made from "open cell" type material--don't recall where-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 10:48 PM leo valk wrote: > David and Jay, > >? > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. No dumb mistake.? Your ability to express yourself in English is *FAR* better than I could ever hope to write in Dutch. I believe that you're referring to the "dust cap" or "dust cover".? I have not seen one of those made of foam either.? See the following: http://www.me.cmu.edu/ctms/modeling/electromechanical/overview/content.htm This component has little effect on the sound but should be replaced as it keeps dirt and ant magnetic particles out of the voice coil gap. They are not expensive. http://www.parts-express.com/catalog/pdf/2009/169pec09.pdf -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Wed Sep 9 19:49:07 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Wed Sep 9 19:51:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <530170.64892.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <590445602-1252539854-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1618011650-@bda427.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><530170.64892.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1078060869-1252550992-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2047426892-@bda427.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Me? -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:41:36 To: ; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Scott, No--I knew you would--and this one too--change your setting-- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:42 PM Ironic that I got this twice. LOL ------Original Message------ From: Ron Rich Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: s.cummings4738@att.net To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Sent: Sep 9, 2009 9:38 AM Hi Scott, Ron here--I THINK I see why--but I don't know why--When I "reply" to this message on the list, I see your address, along with the "list" in my "To box". Normally I only see the list there ?? I have no idea what causes that ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 3:27 AM Jay (not Ron, per se), I get duplicates of every message Ron posts. Nobody else's do this. I'm sure Ron's not doing anything wrong, just wanted you to know in case you wanted to look into it. No biggie though. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 02:33:21 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Jay, and all, I have seen "foam" dust covers, made from "open cell" type material--don't recall where-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 10:48 PM leo valk wrote: > David and Jay, > >? > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. No dumb mistake.? Your ability to express yourself in English is *FAR* better than I could ever hope to write in Dutch. I believe that you're referring to the "dust cap" or "dust cover".? I have not seen one of those made of foam either.? See the following: http://www.me.cmu.edu/ctms/modeling/electromechanical/overview/content.htm This component has little effect on the sound but should be replaced as it keeps dirt and ant magnetic particles out of the voice coil gap. They are not expensive. http://www.parts-express.com/catalog/pdf/2009/169pec09.pdf -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 19:51:45 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 9 19:53:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... In-Reply-To: <8CBFFBFC1A3C3D1-39EC-16C12@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <509753.27593.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Either "something" has fallen down somewhere in the assembly (which would be my guess if it was working before you "power washed" it), or someone has turned adjusting screw 2 down too far, or the lock lever pin is bent. You will probably need to remove the whole assembly --a good idea anyway, and re-lube the rollers in the back-- to find what ever has fallen down-- Check ALL adjustments in sequence, after re-assembly. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:52 PM OK gang, Here is what's up.? I am finishing up a very nice Sburg C that was a very unmolested machine to start with. I cleaned the mech the way I usually do, powerwash the heck out of it, lube it, dry, etc. and its scanning fine. What its not doing, is putting the tonearm where it belongs.? The carriage as I call it, moves left to right as it should, but the tonearm just sits there, leaning to the left.? When an even number (bottom) is selected, carrage moves to the left, but tone arm will not touch record, even if you try and force it over, no way.? On the other side, when you play an odd number selection, the tone arm sags to the right and actually gets hit by the record coming into place. If you hold the tonearm to the left, once the record sets in place, it will play as usual.?I think there must be something not lubed thats binding, but I have no clue what it is.? Couldnt find it address in any of my literature, manual, etc.? Ideas from the gang?? Thanks, EMB _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 20:25:56 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 9 20:27:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <1078060869-1252550992-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2047426892-@bda427.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <915392.86292.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, Yes--you ! Do as Jay suggested--? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 7:49 PM Me? -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:41:36 To: ; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Scott, No--I knew you would--and this one too--change your setting-- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:42 PM Ironic that I got this twice. LOL ------Original Message------ From: Ron Rich Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: s.cummings4738@att.net To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Sent: Sep 9, 2009 9:38 AM Hi Scott, Ron here--I THINK I see why--but I don't know why--When I "reply" to this message on the list, I see your address, along with the "list" in my "To box". Normally I only see the list there ?? I have no idea what causes that ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 3:27 AM Jay (not Ron, per se), I get duplicates of every message Ron posts. Nobody else's do this. I'm sure Ron's not doing anything wrong, just wanted you to know in case you wanted to look into it. No biggie though. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 02:33:21 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Jay, and all, I have seen "foam" dust covers, made from "open cell" type material--don't recall where-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 10:48 PM leo valk wrote: > David and Jay, > >? > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. No dumb mistake.? Your ability to express yourself in English is *FAR* better than I could ever hope to write in Dutch. I believe that you're referring to the "dust cap" or "dust cover".? I have not seen one of those made of foam either.? See the following: http://www.me.cmu.edu/ctms/modeling/electromechanical/overview/content.htm This component has little effect on the sound but should be replaced as it keeps dirt and ant magnetic particles out of the voice coil gap. They are not expensive. http://www.parts-express.com/catalog/pdf/2009/169pec09.pdf -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Wed Sep 9 20:31:41 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Wed Sep 9 20:33:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <915392.86292.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1078060869-1252550992-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2047426892-@bda427.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><915392.86292.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1813408918-1252553499-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1825597590-@bda427.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Jay suggested you reply and not reply all. He didn't say anything about me. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:25:56 To: ; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Scott, Yes--you ! Do as Jay suggested--? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 7:49 PM Me? -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:41:36 To: ; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Scott, No--I knew you would--and this one too--change your setting-- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:42 PM Ironic that I got this twice. LOL ------Original Message------ From: Ron Rich Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: s.cummings4738@att.net To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Sent: Sep 9, 2009 9:38 AM Hi Scott, Ron here--I THINK I see why--but I don't know why--When I "reply" to this message on the list, I see your address, along with the "list" in my "To box". Normally I only see the list there ?? I have no idea what causes that ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 3:27 AM Jay (not Ron, per se), I get duplicates of every message Ron posts. Nobody else's do this. I'm sure Ron's not doing anything wrong, just wanted you to know in case you wanted to look into it. No biggie though. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 02:33:21 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? Jay, and all, I have seen "foam" dust covers, made from "open cell" type material--don't recall where-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker reconing services? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 10:48 PM leo valk wrote: > David and Jay, > >? > I fear I have made an absolutely dumb mistake in my question about the "cone deterioration". English isn't my "first language". I am actually Dutch, and pictured the word cone in my mind as dome, while I know pretty well that a cone is not a dome. The cone of my speakers is actually in really good condition, but the piece I refer to as dome, which is situated in the centre of the speaker, on top of what you guys refer to as being the coil, has gone into a sticky goo. At least the little bit that's left of it. No dumb mistake.? Your ability to express yourself in English is *FAR* better than I could ever hope to write in Dutch. I believe that you're referring to the "dust cap" or "dust cover".? I have not seen one of those made of foam either.? See the following: http://www.me.cmu.edu/ctms/modeling/electromechanical/overview/content.htm This component has little effect on the sound but should be replaced as it keeps dirt and ant magnetic particles out of the voice coil gap. They are not expensive. http://www.parts-express.com/catalog/pdf/2009/169pec09.pdf -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Wed Sep 9 21:51:01 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Wed Sep 9 21:52:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... In-Reply-To: <509753.27593.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBFFE96E525FE3-3E0C-D7D7@webmail-m052.sysops.aol.com> I will give it a try tomorrow Ron, thanks. I will let you know. I have already found one extra spring in the bottom of this mech, there could be more! EMB -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... Either "something" has fallen down somewhere in the assembly (which would be my guess if it was working before you "power washed" it), or someone has turned adjusting screw 2 down too far, or the lock lever pin is bent. You will probably need to remove the whole assembly --a good idea anyway, and re-lube the rollers in the back-- to find what ever has fallen down-- Check ALL adjustments in sequence, after re-assembly. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:52 PM OK gang, Here is what's up.? I am finishing up a very nice Sburg C that was a very unmolested machine to start with. I cleaned the mech the way I usually do, powerwash the heck out of it, lube it, dry, etc. and its scanning fine. What its not doing, is putting the tonearm where it belongs.? The carriage as I call it, moves left to right as it should, but the tonearm just sits there, leaning to the left.? When an even number (bottom) is selected, carrage moves to the left, but tone arm will not touch record, even if you try and force it over, no way.? On the other side, when you play an odd number selection, the tone arm sags to the right and actually gets hit by the record coming into place. If you hold the tonearm to the left, once the record sets in place, it will play as usual.?I think there must be something not lubed thats binding, but I have no clue what it is.? Couldnt find it address in any of my literature, manual, etc.? Ideas from the gang?? Thanks, EMB _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From hayz528 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 10 06:44:34 2009 From: hayz528 at hotmail.com (Michael Hay) Date: Thu Sep 10 06:46:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg USC-2, cannot make selection Message-ID: Picked up a Firestar last weekend, and it seems to have a problem. It powers on, and coins up from what I can tell (the "select single" light lights up). If I press any of the buttons on the keypad, no selects are made. The two green lights do not light up in succession. If I get in behind the keypad, there is a leaf switch that I would say is for the reset switch. That switch looks different than most ive seen, its notched half way up. It seems no matter what you press, that leaf never touches the opposite side. If i push that manually, it does light up the "reset" light on front. If i push the reset button at this point it turns that light off. If I flip the "mech move" switch in the safety switch section, it moves fine. The stop mech switch works, as does the credit switch. I have no manual at this time, but it has been ordered. The person I bought this from said it needed a new cancel switch. Any ideas where to start with this one? EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Sep 10 06:44:50 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Sep 10 06:46:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <298884.71675.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20090909.160517.11141.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> <298884.71675.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If we follow the logic that "original is best", then I guess we'll all be converting our 78rpm machines back from the non-original 51-2 cartridges to the "original" heavy magnetics. It will be fun to change thumb screw needles again. We can also watch vintage Buddy Holly and Elvis 78's rapidly turn grey after a couple of plays (from being tracked at 90 grams). Really, if you can get improved sound, longer needle and record life, why would anyone stick with "original"? I'm sure if the manufacturers had these improved cartridges available at the time, they most certainly would have incorporated them into their machines. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2009, September, 09 7:54 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Guy's, I have had no one that I can re-call, ever object to an improved cartridge either (other than the price of the new part(s). Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 1:05 PM Gentlemen: Generally it has been the more recent (70's and newer) stereo 45's that the original mono-element cartridges? (i.e. Wurlitzer-Zenith Cobra , Seeburg mono redheads, GE VR series et al.) have trouble navigating.? ???Recordings that have widely separated stereo effects, high volume,compressed bass/drum mixes, etc???will have the greatest tracking error, record wear and audio distortion.? ? Stereo recordings? modulated at average volume levels tend to play OK on the old cartridge setups. There's an argument for making the technical upgrades because of less record wear, continued availability of replacement stylii at reasonable prices, and the significantly better sound. Like Jim Dirksen, For my repair customers, I? recommend? hanging onto the original parts and carefully documenting any electronic changes, in the event of product resale. I understand the desire of some owners wanting to keep a machine 100% original,and I respect that when making repairs.???I have to disagree with the opinion of some writers to this site concerning modifications. Personally, I have yet to see where a prospective classic juke owner has asked to have an original (marginal) cartridge setup reinstalled or wanted to bargain down the jukes' sell price due to a tech improvement like this being in place.? ? Most owners I've encountered are glad to have carefully-done tech updates. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for great quotes from top international movers! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZJC1hugV4RBpzX1vhnbADDi0bEm9NZthFOLwaepttPCwyLj1tGO8/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From berrycbell at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 07:23:04 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Thu Sep 10 07:25:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: References: <20090909.160517.11141.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> <298884.71675.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gentlemen, Let's be reasonable here. Mike, my original Wurlitzer 1015 (original cabinet and many original plastics) utilizes the newer lightweight cartridge to play my Chess, Checker, Specialty 78's on. I'm not silly enough to try and use the "nail" in the end of the tonearm to play these records. I specificially said in my earlier post, it's an absolute personal choice, and we were specifically talking about the cobra cartridge designed in the 50's and used for a period of 5 years. This cartridge is a far cry from the original heavy cartridge in the 1015. I typically repack my cobra's with silicone grease and they sound outstanding. Lot's of bottom end and very nice high tones as well. What are the most collectible 50's jukeboxes? Quick......the answer is Wurlitzers 1700, 1800, 1900, 2000, 2100, 2104. I'm not saying they are the best, but they are the ones that bring the most money and seem to be the one that most people or collectors desire & they ALL use the cobra design. (Yes, the Seeburg V, KD's, 201, etc. are popular, and the AMI H & I & Continentals are probably the next most desirable to the above Wurlitzers). I like original...it's that simple. Original to me means original cabinet (no refinish) original coin door, original locks, original sound system, original speakers, etc. A great thread would be to discuss what "original" truly means. I'll leave you with this....about 8 months ago there was an absolutel gorgeous Wurlitzer 2000 on Ebay in Canada, I believe. It was completely restored with a new improved sound system. No cobra, some magnetic cartridge adaptation. It didn't get a single bid, why is that??? Was it too highly priced? I believe it was priced around $10K, certainly worth every penny as it was an extremely nice restoration. I'm saying I believe it didn't sell because modifications had been made to it. I won't go "tit" for "tat" here....I'll preface my earlier comment, that everything is a personal choice, I just happen to side in the camp that likes to preserve originality where possible. Berry On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > If we follow the logic that "original is best", then I guess we'll all be > converting our 78rpm machines back from the non-original 51-2 cartridges to > the "original" heavy magnetics. It will be fun to change thumb screw needles > again. > > We can also watch vintage Buddy Holly and Elvis 78's rapidly turn grey > after a couple of plays (from being tracked at 90 grams). > > Really, if you can get improved sound, longer needle and record life, why > would anyone stick with "original"? I'm sure if the manufacturers had these > improved cartridges available at the time, they most certainly would have > incorporated them into their machines. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto: > jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich > Sent: 2009, September, 09 7:54 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > > Guy's, > I have had no one that I can re-call, ever object to an improved cartridge > either (other than the price of the new part(s). Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 9/9/09, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 1:05 PM > > > Gentlemen: > > Generally it has been the more recent (70's and newer) stereo 45's that the > original mono-element cartridges (i.e. Wurlitzer-Zenith Cobra , Seeburg > mono redheads, GE VR series et al.) have trouble navigating. Recordings > that have widely separated stereo effects, high volume,compressed bass/drum > mixes, etc will have the greatest tracking error, record wear and audio > distortion. Stereo recordings modulated at average volume levels tend to > play OK on the old cartridge setups. > There's an argument for making the technical upgrades because of less > record wear, continued availability of replacement stylii at reasonable > prices, and the significantly better sound. Like Jim Dirksen, For my repair > customers, I recommend hanging onto the original parts and carefully > documenting any electronic changes, in the event of product resale. I > understand the desire of some owners wanting to keep a machine 100% > original,and I respect that when making repairs. I have to disagree with > the opinion of some writers to this site concerning modifications. > > Personally, I have yet to see where a prospective classic juke owner has > asked to have an original (marginal) cartridge setup reinstalled or wanted > to bargain down the jukes' sell price due to a tech improvement like this > being in place. Most owners I've encountered are glad to have > carefully-done tech updates. > > Jim Alexander > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here for great quotes from top international movers! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZJC1hugV4RBpzX1vhnbADDi0bEm9NZthFOLwaepttPCwyLj1tGO8/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not > waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or > otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne > renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements > qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) > d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser > imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Sep 10 07:46:22 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Sep 10 07:48:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: References: <20090909.160517.11141.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> <298884.71675.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: But Berry, you're not applying the same logic to the 1015 as you are to the later Wurlitzer! Why have two sets of rules and values? Upgrading the 1015 improved your sound, lightened the tracking weight, and saved your irreplaceable records. These are the same reasons people replace their cobras in their 50's Wurlitzers! Personally, I don't see anything wrong with upgrading a cartridge and keeping the old one for a new prospective buyer. But, it comes down to each owner doing what they feel is best. Enjoy. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Berry Bell Sent: 2009, September, 10 10:23 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Gentlemen, Let's be reasonable here. Mike, my original Wurlitzer 1015 (original cabinet and many original plastics) utilizes the newer lightweight cartridge to play my Chess, Checker, Specialty 78's on. I'm not silly enough to try and use the "nail" in the end of the tonearm to play these records. I specificially said in my earlier post, it's an absolute personal choice, and we were specifically talking about the cobra cartridge designed in the 50's and used for a period of 5 years. This cartridge is a far cry from the original heavy cartridge in the 1015. I typically repack my cobra's with silicone grease and they sound outstanding. Lot's of bottom end and very nice high tones as well. What are the most collectible 50's jukeboxes? Quick......the answer is Wurlitzers 1700, 1800, 1900, 2000, 2100, 2104. I'm not saying they are the best, but they are the ones that bring the most money and seem to be the one that most people or collectors desire & they ALL use the cobra design. (Yes, the Seeburg V, KD's, 201, etc. are popular, and the AMI H & I & Continentals are probably the next most desirable to the above Wurlitzers). I like original...it's that simple. Original to me means original cabinet (no refinish) original coin door, original locks, original sound system, original speakers, etc. A great thread would be to discuss what "original" truly means. I'll leave you with this....about 8 months ago there was an absolutel gorgeous Wurlitzer 2000 on Ebay in Canada, I believe. It was completely restored with a new improved sound system. No cobra, some magnetic cartridge adaptation. It didn't get a single bid, why is that??? Was it too highly priced? I believe it was priced around $10K, certainly worth every penny as it was an extremely nice restoration. I'm saying I believe it didn't sell because modifications had been made to it. I won't go "tit" for "tat" here....I'll preface my earlier comment, that everything is a personal choice, I just happen to side in the camp that likes to preserve originality where possible. Berry On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > If we follow the logic that "original is best", then I guess we'll all > be converting our 78rpm machines back from the non-original 51-2 > cartridges to the "original" heavy magnetics. It will be fun to change > thumb screw needles again. > > We can also watch vintage Buddy Holly and Elvis 78's rapidly turn > grey after a couple of plays (from being tracked at 90 grams). > > Really, if you can get improved sound, longer needle and record life, > why would anyone stick with "original"? I'm sure if the manufacturers > had these improved cartridges available at the time, they most > certainly would have incorporated them into their machines. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto: > jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich > Sent: 2009, September, 09 7:54 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > > Guy's, > I have had no one that I can re-call, ever object to an improved > cartridge either (other than the price of the new part(s). Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 9/9/09, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 1:05 PM > > > Gentlemen: > > Generally it has been the more recent (70's and newer) stereo 45's > that the original mono-element cartridges (i.e. Wurlitzer-Zenith Cobra , Seeburg > mono redheads, GE VR series et al.) have trouble navigating. Recordings > that have widely separated stereo effects, high volume,compressed bass/drum > mixes, etc will have the greatest tracking error, record wear and audio > distortion. Stereo recordings modulated at average volume levels tend to > play OK on the old cartridge setups. > There's an argument for making the technical upgrades because of less > record wear, continued availability of replacement stylii at > reasonable prices, and the significantly better sound. Like Jim > Dirksen, For my repair customers, I recommend hanging onto the > original parts and carefully documenting any electronic changes, in > the event of product resale. I understand the desire of some owners wanting to keep a machine 100% > original,and I respect that when making repairs. I have to disagree with > the opinion of some writers to this site concerning modifications. > > Personally, I have yet to see where a prospective classic juke owner > has asked to have an original (marginal) cartridge setup reinstalled > or wanted to bargain down the jukes' sell price due to a tech improvement like this > being in place. Most owners I've encountered are glad to have > carefully-done tech updates. > > Jim Alexander > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here for great quotes from top international movers! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZJC1hugV4RBpzX1v > hnbADDi0bEm9NZthFOLwaepttPCwyLj1tGO8/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > ______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does > not waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return > e-mail or > otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne > renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des > renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) > destinataire(s) > d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en > aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 07:52:43 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Sep 10 07:54:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <854686.51095.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > We can also watch vintage Buddy Holly and Elvis 78's > rapidly turn grey after a couple of plays (from being > tracked at 90 grams). Sch?nen gru? aus Deutschland! (And here I am in Hessen supposedly of vacation, still reading this mailing list...) You're forgetting that by the time Elvis and Buddy Holly were recording, those 78 jukeboxes that remained were probably Seeburg M100-As, AMI D-40s, Rock-Ola Fireballs, etc. The old adage amongst record and phonograph collectors, and which should be amongst jukebox collectors as well, is never play a record on a machine that's older than the record is (except, of course for jukeboxes, you've installed a lighter weight or more compliant pickup). The reason those 50s records suffer under the weight of horseshoe magnet pickups is because they are pressed from shellac with less filler and abrasives in it. That's because by the 1950s, heavy pickups with their sacrificial steel needles were no longer common. Lightweight pickups with permanent jeweled styli were. From JukeboxJunkyard at cox.net Thu Sep 10 08:06:31 2009 From: JukeboxJunkyard at cox.net (Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Thu Sep 10 08:08:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? References: <20090909.160517.11141.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com><298884.71675.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <37C9EC6C297F4A489204042EB6F7E12D@PAW> All this talk about "ORIGINAL" where is the limit? If you want the juke completely "ORIGINAL AS MANUFACTURED" you can not even put a record on it as it was not built with records but they were added later by the operators. Thus when you say "ORIGINAL" at what time in the life of the machine would you like it. I feel that the totally "original machines " belong in museums" for everyone to look at. If you want something to use and enjoy then modify it to your taste with later stereo records new updated cartridges' new repo parts. Simply most new technology is far superior to that of the time that the Jukebox was manufactured. Just my .02 worth on the matter Roy Dean The Jukebox Junkyard From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 08:14:15 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Sep 10 08:15:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg USC-2, cannot make selection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <805073.10798.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I hope you ordered from a "legit source" as they would tell you that you need both the USC-1 Manual, and the USC-2? Supplement for that model. Added to that I would humbly suggest a copy of my "Seeburg Microlog Trouble Shooting Guide" should be of great assistance in pinpointing your problem(s). I suggest that you read the books prior to "working" on the machine, to prevent more damage.? Barring that, I suggest that you, at least, read the adjustment instructions on that DES switch in the Service manual,--and that you use extreme caution while working in that area, so you do not "short" either of the contacts going to that switch. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Michael Hay wrote: From: Michael Hay Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg USC-2, cannot make selection To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 6:44 AM Picked up a Firestar last weekend, and it seems to have a problem.? It powers on, and coins up from what I can tell (the "select single" light lights up).? If I press any of the buttons on the keypad, no selects are made.? The two green lights do not light up in succession.? If I get in behind the keypad, there is a leaf switch that I would say is for the reset switch. That switch looks different than most ive seen, its notched half way up.? It seems no matter what you press, that leaf never touches the opposite side. If i push that manually, it does light up the "reset" light on front. If i push the reset button at this point it turns that light off. If I flip the "mech move" switch in the safety switch section, it moves fine. The stop mech switch works, as does the credit switch. I have no manual at this time, but it has been ordered. The person I bought this from said it needed a new cancel switch. Any ideas where to start with this one? EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Sep 10 08:52:11 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Sep 10 08:55:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Message-ID: <20090910.115211.23174.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Another important point that needs to be made here: The first-issue rock n' roll records (either 78 or 45 RPM) were commonly available in the 50's. In a lot of older jukebox narratives, it was common practice if a song was played a lot on the juke that the vendor would replace worn records with fresh copies during it's run. Record wear was an accepted value at the time. Now that these records have become a limited,collectible, resource on their own, it makes sense to play them with minimal wear and damage. A parallel drawn here is comparing the 40's cartridges, with their steel-shank needles to the 50's era jewel-needle cartridges. A conclusion that's been drawn here is that spinning 50's era (vinyl-based?) 78's on one of these 40's pickups can be lethal for the record. A similar conclusion can be drawn for many of the 50's mono-era microgroove cartridges, comparing them to later-generation stereo pickups. The cobra pickup was invented by Zenith radio in the late 40's, and it was a big improvement,compared to other pickups in it's time. Stereo sound on records (circa 1960) was a big technical change that cartridges like the cobra were never intended to handle. For a few transition years in the 60's, record labels offered their LP's in both mono and stereo versions in order to accomodate owners of older phonos. (I suppose there was a marketing angle--the stereo records normally cost $1 more) Zenith changed to other pickups in their early stereo phonos (they never brought out a stereo cobra) as well as the juke mfrs. Most record labels printed a warning label on the back of the album jacket (usually in fine print at the bottom) warning that stereo records shouldn't be tracked with mono cartridges, or permanent damage to the record could occur. Many radio-TV repair shops did good business retrofitting stereo cartridges into older mono record players at this time. Older record buyers on this site may remember this. Most of the warning labels, along with the side-by-side issue of new albums in both mono and stereo disappeared circa 1970. Mono 45's disappeared from the scene in the mid-to-late 60's. This seemed to be the time that special after-market stereo cartridges (some good, some poor) began to appear for jukebox operators that were still running mono Seeburgs on their routes. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Make the right decisions about your inheritance. Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSYhs8W0WPwUZscZs5132YmWQUPdKCZmKjIgaUa5dX4wIkKTGqkyk/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Thu Sep 10 09:13:38 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Thu Sep 10 09:15:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R no sound was thump Message-ID: Well, if the list recalls, I was struggling with a loud thump when the record cancelled on my Seeburg R. I checked the mute contacts, mute connection at the amplifier, trip switch and everything I could test in the mute circuit. I could not find a problem. A couple of days ago I turned on the jukebox and there was no sound. Hmmm, could be bad or good for diagnosis. I plugged in a turntable and got sound when a record would play. Rules out the amp and mute circuit. I tested the coax cable to the amp. .3 ohms on the center pin and .4 ohms on the outer ground. Then I tested the connections at the cartridge and tone arm. I could not believe what I found. The cartridge " Red Head Magnetic " is open. I installed another one and now the sound returned. Also, no THUMP on cancel. I tested all the cartridges I have and they range from 1.6k to 1.9k. All of them work and sound the same. So, final diagnosis is an open cartridge that caused the thump and no sound. I thought this would be usefull to someone with the same problem in the future. Joey McDonald From edbap at aol.com Thu Sep 10 09:37:51 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 10 09:39:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] C-tone arm problem, Bent! In-Reply-To: <509753.27593.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC004C2BA4C34B-4198-EEFA@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> After removing mech, cleaning underneath, lube job, putting back I noticed the tonearm seems to be bent! With the mech on the right, playing the Rt. side of the record, the base of the tonearm is touching the cradle frame, but the needle is still 12mm from the record!? I visually looked at 3 other seeburg mechs laying around and those tonearms look straight to my untrained eye, while I know this one is bent.? Now, question is of course, can it be straightened? I wish I could just bend it back and be done with it, but I think it is cast, and I have visions of it cracking or breaking.? OR I do have an extra mech with a yellow tonearm that I can use for parts, should I try to replace it?? Thanks for the advise.? I have not replaced a tonearm before. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... Either "something" has fallen down somewhere in the assembly (which would be my guess if it was working before you "power washed" it), or someone has turned adjusting screw 2 down too far, or the lock lever pin is bent. You will probably need to remove the whole assembly --a good idea anyway, and re-lube the rollers in the back-- to find what ever has fallen down-- Check ALL adjustments in sequence, after re-assembly. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:52 PM OK gang, Here is what's up.? I am finishing up a very nice Sburg C that was a very unmolested machine to start with. I cleaned the mech the way I usually do, powerwash the heck out of it, lube it, dry, etc. and its scanning fine. What its not doing, is putting the tonearm where it belongs.? The carriage as I call it, moves left to right as it should, but the tonearm just sits there, leaning to the left.? When an even number (bottom) is selected, carrage moves to the left, but tone arm will not touch record, even if you try and force it over, no way.? On the other side, when you play an odd number selection, the tone arm sags to the right and actually gets hit by the record coming into place. If you hold the tonearm to the left, once the record sets in place, it will play as usual.?I think there must be something not lubed thats binding, but I have no clue what it is.? Couldnt find it address in any of my literature, manual, etc.? Ideas from the gang?? Thanks, EMB _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Sep 10 09:52:21 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Sep 10 09:54:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <20090910.115211.23174.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090910.115211.23174.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Thanks James, you summed this up so well. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, September, 10 11:52 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Gentlemen: Another important point that needs to be made here: The first-issue rock n' roll records (either 78 or 45 RPM) were commonly available in the 50's. In a lot of older jukebox narratives, it was common practice if a song was played a lot on the juke that the vendor would replace worn records with fresh copies during it's run. Record wear was an accepted value at the time. Now that these records have become a limited,collectible, resource on their own, it makes sense to play them with minimal wear and damage. A parallel drawn here is comparing the 40's cartridges, with their steel-shank needles to the 50's era jewel-needle cartridges. A conclusion that's been drawn here is that spinning 50's era (vinyl-based?) 78's on one of these 40's pickups can be lethal for the record. A similar conclusion can be drawn for many of the 50's mono-era microgroove cartridges, comparing them to later-generation stereo pickups. The cobra pickup was invented by Zenith radio in the late 40's, and it was a big improvement,compared to other pickups in it's time. Stereo sound on records (circa 1960) was a big technical change that cartridges like the cobra were never intended to handle. For a few transition years in the 60's, record labels offered their LP's in both mono and stereo versions in order to accomodate owners of older phonos. (I suppose there was a marketing angle--the stereo records normally cost $1 more) Zenith changed to other pickups in their early stereo phonos (they never brought out a stereo cobra) as well as the juke mfrs. Most record labels printed a warning label on the back of the album jacket (usually in fine print at the bottom) warning that stereo records shouldn't be tracked with mono cartridges, or permanent damage to the record could occur. Many radio-TV repair shops did good business retrofitting stereo cartridges into older mono record players at this time. Older record buyers on this site may remember this. Most of the warning labels, along with the side-by-side issue of new albums in both mono and stereo disappeared circa 1970. Mono 45's disappeared from the scene in the mid-to-late 60's. This seemed to be the time that special after-market stereo cartridges (some good, some poor) began to appear for jukebox operators that were still running mono Seeburgs on their routes. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Make the right decisions about your inheritance. Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSYhs8W0WPwUZscZs51 32YmWQUPdKCZmKjIgaUa5dX4wIkKTGqkyk/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 10 09:50:31 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Thu Sep 10 10:05:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R no sound was thump In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <716455.1247.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> He Joey, thanks for sharing. Although I don?t own a Seeburg. Who knows, maybe one day. I think this is exactly the type of email we need more of. I am sure many will benefit from your posting. Gary --- On Thu, 10/9/09, Joey McDonald wrote: > From: Joey McDonald > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R no sound was thump > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, 10 September, 2009, 5:13 PM > Well, if the list recalls, I was > struggling with a loud thump when the record cancelled on my > Seeburg R.? I checked the mute contacts, mute > connection at the amplifier, trip switch and everything I > could > test in the mute circuit. I could not find a problem. > > A couple of days ago I turned on the jukebox and there was > no sound.???Hmmm, could be bad or good for > diagnosis.? I plugged in a turntable and got sound when > a record would play.? Rules out > the amp and mute circuit.? I tested the coax cable to > the amp.? .3 ohms on the center pin and .4 ohms on the > outer ground.? Then I tested the connections at the > cartridge and tone arm. > > I could not believe what I found.? The cartridge " Red > Head Magnetic " is open.? I installed another > one and now the sound returned. Also, no THUMP on cancel. > > I tested all the cartridges I have and they range from 1.6k > to 1.9k.? All of them work and sound the same.? > So, final diagnosis is an open cartridge that caused the > thump and no sound. I thought this would be usefull to > someone with the same problem in the future. > > > Joey McDonald > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Thu Sep 10 10:12:31 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Thu Sep 10 10:14:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of cartridges...Astatic 51 on vinyl repro 78s? In-Reply-To: References: <20090910.115211.23174.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4AA9337F.8030300@sparksandarcs.net> Hey folks, On my AMI D40, I'd like to put some vinyl reproduction (Rhino I believe) 78's in the rack. I'm wary given the original Astatic 51, even with a -1 stylus. Would one be encouraged to go with a P132-D instead? What modifications to the weighting of the tonearm does everyone do to make up for the altered tracking? How does it work for original 78's? I've been impressed with the distortionless tracking that my Astatic 51 does with 40's era shellac. With the P132 being a flipover stylus, I can safely say I've never seen a flipover cartridge that tracked loud passages (trumpets, etc) without rattling around in the groove, even on the "78" side of the stylus. Strangely, the double stylus cartridges like the Astatic 26 in my 1960 Magnavox console or even a plain Ronette with 3-mils track very well with the proper stylus. It's like the difference between a red-head Seeburg and a 345-D. What's been your experience? Thank you! Mike Carmack Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Thanks James, you summed this up so well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James > Alexander > Sent: 2009, September, 10 11:52 AM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > > > > Gentlemen: > > Another important point that needs to be made here: > > The first-issue rock n' roll records (either 78 or 45 RPM) were commonly > available in the 50's. In a lot of older jukebox narratives, it was > common practice if a song was played a lot on the juke that the vendor > would replace worn records with fresh copies during it's run. Record > wear was an accepted value at the time. > > Now that these records have become a limited,collectible, resource on > their own, it makes sense to play them with minimal wear and damage. > > A parallel drawn here is comparing the 40's cartridges, with their > steel-shank needles to the 50's era jewel-needle cartridges. A > conclusion that's been drawn here is that spinning 50's era > (vinyl-based?) 78's on one of these 40's pickups can be lethal for the > record. > A similar conclusion can be drawn for many of the 50's mono-era > microgroove cartridges, comparing them to later-generation stereo > pickups. The cobra pickup was invented by Zenith radio in the late > 40's, and it was a big improvement,compared to other pickups in it's > time. > Stereo sound on records (circa 1960) was a big technical change that > cartridges like the cobra were never intended to handle. For a few > transition years in the 60's, record labels offered their LP's in both > mono and stereo versions in order to accomodate owners of older phonos. > (I suppose there was a marketing angle--the stereo records normally cost > $1 more) Zenith changed to other pickups in their early stereo phonos > (they never brought out a stereo cobra) as well as the juke mfrs. > > Most record labels printed a warning label on the back of the album > jacket (usually in fine print at the bottom) warning that stereo > records shouldn't be tracked with mono cartridges, or permanent damage > to the record could occur. Many radio-TV repair shops did good > business retrofitting stereo cartridges into older mono record players > at this time. > Older record buyers on this site may remember this. Most of the > warning labels, along with the side-by-side issue of new albums in both > mono and stereo disappeared circa 1970. > Mono 45's disappeared from the scene in the mid-to-late 60's. This > seemed to be the time that special after-market stereo cartridges (some > good, some poor) began to appear for jukebox operators that were still > running mono Seeburgs on their routes. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Make the right decisions about your inheritance. Click here for more > information. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSYhs8W0WPwUZscZs51 > 32YmWQUPdKCZmKjIgaUa5dX4wIkKTGqkyk/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jay at west.net Thu Sep 10 11:02:19 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Sep 10 11:04:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] C-tone arm problem, Bent! In-Reply-To: <8CC004C2BA4C34B-4198-EEFA@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC004C2BA4C34B-4198-EEFA@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4AA93F2B.9040304@west.net> edbap@aol.com wrote: > After removing mech, cleaning underneath, lube job, putting back I noticed the tonearm seems to be bent! > > With the mech on the right, playing the Rt. side of the record, the base of the tonearm is touching the cradle frame, but the needle is still 12mm from the record!? I visually looked at 3 other seeburg mechs laying around and those tonearms look straight to my untrained eye, while I know this one is bent.? Now, question is of course, can it be straightened? I wish I could just bend it back and be done with it, but I think it is cast, and I have visions of it cracking or breaking.? OR I do have an extra mech with a yellow tonearm that I can use for parts, should I try to replace it?? Thanks for the advise.? I have not replaced a tonearm before. What cartridge are you using with it? Unless it's a 345-03D, I'd suggest trying to find a tonearm assembly from a much later Seeburg with the "snap-in" 4-pin stereo cartridge. These jukes are far less collectible and the tonearm swap will give you the advantage of the newer cartridge. The snap-in version of the 345 is far more common than the retrofit 345-03D. You'll want to swap the counterweight as well. Then paint it yellow. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From scott at steelhouseauctions.com Thu Sep 10 11:39:31 2009 From: scott at steelhouseauctions.com (Scott Plutchok) Date: Thu Sep 10 11:41:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT---Be-alert ! In-Reply-To: <422420.87827.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <422420.87827.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Okay, good to know. This lot will be trashed. Very much appreciate your assistance. Regards, Scott > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:45:29 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT---Be-alert ! > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Scott, > I understand--however an"multi meter" won't tell you if these are "good" or not. The one is code dated to 1965, and most of these type caps have a "life" of ten-15 years. Even when tested with a great (ie: expensive) cap meter, I would not trust them long enough to apply power-- > Ron > > --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Scott Plutchok wrote: > > From: Scott Plutchok > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT---Be-alert ! > To: "Jukebox List" > Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 12:54 PM > > > Ron, > > That's my listing! I posted the bag on eBay months ago. I've removed it as you pointed out it may be a bag of used caps. At the time I listed them I also listed other Jukebox Friday Night kits that I found in the estate. > > I'm not active on eBay right now as I'm undertaking several home improvement projects and enjoying whats left of the summer. > > Please note that the late owner of this lot was an electrician: these caps may actually be good caps that may be of use to someone. I will take additional photos for all to inspect. I don't know how to use a multimeter yet but this is a very good reason to learn. > > Weird how long it took for someone to point this out to me. I'm not looking to screw anyone with this lot. I just thought someone who knew what these were could use them. > > Regards, > Scott > > > > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 22:44:40 -0700 > > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com; seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com > > CC: > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slightly OT---Be-alert ! > > > > I usually do not comment on "stuff" I see on eBay, but I "gotta" on this ! Item # 140332498771, is a bag of about 35 year old caps, being sold as "good--" "NOS". Way out of line IMHO ! > > Ron Rich > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! > http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG From jay at west.net Thu Sep 10 11:52:05 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Sep 10 11:53:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <37C9EC6C297F4A489204042EB6F7E12D@PAW> References: <20090909.160517.11141.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com><298884.71675.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <37C9EC6C297F4A489204042EB6F7E12D@PAW> Message-ID: <4AA94AD5.7010103@west.net> Jukebox Junkyard wrote: > > All this talk about "ORIGINAL" where is the limit? If you want the > juke completely "ORIGINAL AS MANUFACTURED" you can not even put a record > on it as it was not built with records but they were added later by the > operators. Thus when you say "ORIGINAL" at what time in the life of the > machine would you like it. I feel that the totally "original machines " > belong in museums" for everyone to look at. If you want something to > use and enjoy then modify it to your taste with later stereo records new > updated cartridges' new repo parts. Simply most new technology is far > superior to that of the time that the Jukebox was manufactured. I think this topic may border on personal beliefs, and it's kind of a "my jukebox, my rules" thing. None of the approaches are necessarily good or bad, they're the preferences of the owner of the box. From one extreme to the other: 1: The "original - don't touch it" school of thought: Everything on the box should be as it left the factory if at all possible. No improvements to the sound system, cartridge, tonearm, etc. Original finish or very exact reproduction, maybe replate metal. If the electronics are rebuilt, restuff the capacitors so they look original. This jukebox isn't for daily play, more to look at as in a museum. 2. "Working original": Metal replated, electronics rebuilt, good reproduction cosmetic parts as needed. Same color scheme and finish as original. Tonearm and cartridge optimized for fidelity and minimum record wear. Jukebox is played often, used both to enjoy its appearance and its sound. Close inspection will show the upgraded parts but from three feet away it looks much like version 1 above. 3. "Custom restoration": Like 2 above in terms of electronics and sound system. Paint and finish not as original, changed to match a sports team, Coca-Cola, Elvis, etc. Possibly added animation or other decoration. Part of a "theme" gameroom. Looks good (at least to the owner) but not like the original. [Note 1.] 4. "Nice jukebox cabinet repurposed": Probably like 3 above, mechanism disabled and replaced with MP3 player, solid-state amplifier and speakers. Of course there are variations, and a particular machine may be a hybrid or somewhere inb etween. Note 1: I'm personally an option 2 type of guy. I like the original look and feel, but want to be able to enjoy and play the box daily with minimal worry about record wear, safety, etc. I have a Seeburg 100W however, and I think those original patchwork pilasters are just ugly. My intent is to replace with translucent white and add Fred Mlakar animation. Everything else will be the same type in terms of finish, including the grille diamonds. This will likely be the only time I have done this, and I feel kind of guilty about it. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From hayz528 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 9 21:05:47 2009 From: hayz528 at hotmail.com (Michael Hay) Date: Thu Sep 10 11:55:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg USC-2, cannot make selection Message-ID: Picked up a Firestar last weekend, and it seems to have a problem. It powers on, and coins up from what I can tell (the "select single" light lights up). If I press any of the buttons on the keypad, no selects are made. The two green lights do not light up in succession. If I get in behind the keypad, there is a leaf switch that I would say is for the reset switch. That switch looks different than most ive seen, its notched half way up. It seems no matter what you press, that leaf never touches the opposite side. If i push that manually, it does light up the "reset" light on front. If i push the reset button at this point it turns that light off. If I flip the "mech move" switch in the safety switch section, it moves fine. The stop mech switch works, as does the credit switch. I have no manual at this time, but it has been ordered. The person I bought this from said it needed a new cancel switch. Any ideas where to start with this one? EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From bobe at halted.com Thu Sep 10 12:10:09 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Thu Sep 10 12:27:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090910191009.009a6c98@hsces.com> At 08:47 PM 9/9/2009 -0400, you wrote: >"The cobra certainly sounds better with monaural records, but some stereo >records play just fine". > >"The sound quality of a cobra cartridge working properly isn't that >objectionable". > >These two statements say it all. Nowhere in this thread do you hear anyone >say "cobras sound great", "my W1900 sounds just as good as my Seeburg R or >AMI I200", or even "cobras sound good". > >Ever wonder why Wurlitzer used a different cartridge on the first (2300 and >2400) stereo models? I've taught my young sons not to use the word "hate" in >describing something they don't like, so I'll just say cobras suck. :) There is another way to look at it, unless I'm the only one...If I had a Wurlitzer with a Cobra system, I probably would restore its functionality the best I could, and keep it as is, since I would be interested in representing it as an interesting technological milestone. Of course, it would not be my only jukebox, but would be a representative of an era and of a school-of-thought in jukebox development. I'm sure I have enough mono pressings to keep it filled with music that would not be damaged by lack of vertical stylus compliance. I would feel the same way about a Seeburg M100-A, I would want it to be set up for 78's, not converted to 45's. And I'm not into "upgrading" speaker drivers in any of my jukes. I am the same way with my pinball machines, I have some representatives from several eras and levels of technology, from backward-flipper EM's to 90's solid-state with speech and dot-matrix animation. Really, I guess it would count as a mini-museum of pinballs, and I would feel the same way about my jukebox collection. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Sep 10 12:29:54 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Sep 10 12:33:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Message-ID: <20090910.152954.29135.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Jay: Your discussion here sums this topic up well. Most of my repair customers fit the number #2 category, and I'm there myself. A couple of my customers fit the #1 classification (everything stays as original,no deviation) but they don't treat their collectible as a museum piece. The machines do receive use and the customers will gripe about the cost of buying new first-issue record pressings or the cost of a new (good quality) cobra replacement stylus. I know they're out there, but I haven't run across any of the type #4 (new different-look finish on classic cabinet, replace non-functional phono mech with other music player technology) in my dealings. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find a huge selection and great prices on bike racks by clicking now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYa8ckvDvpnJVtIK8sZWtPeOsNrlJhOlwbTVNJuNSytUkbHL9WU5Ti/ From webmaster at guestwho.com Thu Sep 10 13:20:22 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Thu Sep 10 13:22:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <4AA94AD5.7010103@west.net> References: <20090909.160517.11141.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com><298884.71675.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <37C9EC6C297F4A489204042EB6F7E12D@PAW> <4AA94AD5.7010103@west.net> Message-ID: <642CFD2991F64DB896E0327720B9112D@CHRISLAPTOP> I'd have to say I'm a "working original" guy. Trying to keep everything original on my Wurly 2600, with the exception of the amplifier rebuild and a new needle (the catridge is still ok). It's enough work already without trying to gut and restuff the cans (of course I'm leaving the original cans in place for looks, just disconnected from the circuit). I've kept all the old paper/wax capacitors that I took off, just as a colectable thing (thought about asking a radio museum if they want them for display actually). Has anybody tried the tin foil and water/coke trick for cleaning chrome ? The guy I bought the machine from suggested it, and according to google other people have done it. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > Jukebox Junkyard wrote: >> >> All this talk about "ORIGINAL" where is the limit? If you want the juke >> completely "ORIGINAL AS MANUFACTURED" you can not even put a record on it >> as it was not built with records but they were added later by the >> operators. Thus when you say "ORIGINAL" at what time in the life of the >> machine would you like it. I feel that the totally "original machines " >> belong in museums" for everyone to look at. If you want something to use >> and enjoy then modify it to your taste with later stereo records new >> updated cartridges' new repo parts. Simply most new technology is far >> superior to that of the time that the Jukebox was manufactured. > > I think this topic may border on personal beliefs, and it's kind of a "my > jukebox, my rules" thing. None of the approaches are necessarily good or > bad, they're the preferences of the owner of the box. From one extreme to > the other: > > 1: The "original - don't touch it" school of thought: Everything on the > box should be as it left the factory if at all possible. No improvements > to the sound system, cartridge, tonearm, etc. Original finish or very > exact reproduction, maybe replate metal. If the electronics are rebuilt, > restuff the capacitors so they look original. This jukebox isn't for daily > play, more to look at as in a museum. > > 2. "Working original": Metal replated, electronics rebuilt, good > reproduction cosmetic parts as needed. Same color scheme and finish as > original. Tonearm and cartridge optimized for fidelity and minimum record > wear. Jukebox is played often, used both to enjoy its appearance and its > sound. Close inspection will show the upgraded parts but from three feet > away it looks much like version 1 above. > > 3. "Custom restoration": Like 2 above in terms of electronics and sound > system. Paint and finish not as original, changed to match a sports team, > Coca-Cola, Elvis, etc. Possibly added animation or other decoration. > Part of a "theme" gameroom. Looks good (at least to the owner) but not > like the original. [Note 1.] > > 4. "Nice jukebox cabinet repurposed": Probably like 3 above, mechanism > disabled and replaced with MP3 player, solid-state amplifier and speakers. > > Of course there are variations, and a particular machine may be a hybrid > or somewhere inb etween. > > Note 1: I'm personally an option 2 type of guy. I like the original look > and feel, but want to be able to enjoy and play the box daily with minimal > worry about record wear, safety, etc. I have a Seeburg 100W however, and > I think those original patchwork pilasters are just ugly. My intent is to > replace with translucent white and add Fred Mlakar animation. Everything > else will be the same type in terms of finish, including the grille > diamonds. This will likely be the only time I have done this, and I feel > kind of guilty about it. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Sep 10 13:22:19 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Sep 10 13:24:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of cartridges...Astatic 51 on vinyl repro 78s? Message-ID: <20090910.162219.1896.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hello, Mike: Here's my .02 cents worth for whatever it's worth: I've helped a number of customers fix up 78 RPM playing jukes, but I have no hands on experience with an AMI model D. I have worked with a C model, which I think has a similar 78 RPM 40-selection mech. The Rhino, other repro 78's, or later 50's original records are generally vinyl based discs instead of shellac (the old breakable records) It's generally best to track the vinyl records with a 2 mil stylus tip. The 2 mil is a good compromise tip if you are using a mixture of new and older records. The 2 mil stylus, with the old records will be more likely to have more surface noise and breakup on loudly-modulated passages. For old original records, you'll have best results with a 3 mil tip. The 1 mil tip size is best with mono 45's only . Most of the reissue 78's I've seen are for mono-era recordings (before 1960) so it's likely the 78 disc is not a stereo pressing. If you like the sound of your Astatic 51 mono ceramic cartridge, install the right stylus and use it. It should track at approx. 6 to 8 grams pressure. Pfanstiehl has issued a P-51 model mono cartridge that is intended as a direct replacement or the no longer made Astatic 51. This cartridge uses the popular forked "CRA55" (or Pfanstiehl 700) replacement stylus that mounts with a set screw. These stylii are readily available and may be less pricey than the # 51 stylii. The P-51 tracks at roughly the same weight and has similar output level to the # 51 cartridge. The Pfanstiehl P-132D has been my "go-to" cartridge when a new conventional stereo or mono ceramic cartridge is needed. This should mount directly in your tone arm if you want to use one of these. You should wire the stereo cartridge outputs in parallel (2 + terminals together, 2 - terminals together) connected to your mono amp input. The P-132D can be tracked at 5 grams. The P-132's output is slightly lower than the original # 51 cart., but not by much. You will need to buy a replacement flip-under stylus in order to play 78's---You'll need Pfanstiehl stylus # 864-DS73. When purchasing a new P-132D, it normally comes equipped with an 864-DS77 stylus---2 stereo microgroove stylii, one is diamond tip, one is sapphire. The only 78 tip choice offered by Pfanstiehl is the 3 mil sapphire tip of the 864-DS73. I've noticed no audio breakup/distortion when tracking loudly-modulated 78 discs with the P-132D. The customer with the AMI-C has the P-132D cartridge playing a lot of original issue 50's rock n' roll 78's. Most of these records are non-breakable vinyl type. He's had the conversion for 4 years and he's a record collector, more than a jukebox enthusiast. No complaints about worn or damaged records so far. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click for a credit repair consultation, raise your FICO score. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVsRXKI2XLB8z1vpNQ5GVLILpeZuezvZhSnjui9OvUXUDRsE4JZFu/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 13:38:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Sep 10 13:40:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R no sound was thump In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <984836.72506.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Joey, Interesting--I would hazard a guess that the "thump" was being caused by the connection (either internal to the cart, or external at the cart socket) "opening"--Thanks for posting it--? Ron? Rich --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R no sound was thump To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 9:13 AM Well, if the list recalls, I was struggling with a loud thump when the record cancelled on my Seeburg R.? I checked the mute contacts, mute connection at the amplifier, trip switch and everything I could test in the mute circuit. I could not find a problem. A couple of days ago I turned on the jukebox and there was no sound.???Hmmm, could be bad or good for diagnosis.? I plugged in a turntable and got sound when a record would play.? Rules out the amp and mute circuit.? I tested the coax cable to the amp.? .3 ohms on the center pin and .4 ohms on the outer ground.? Then I tested the connections at the cartridge and tone arm. I could not believe what I found.? The cartridge " Red Head Magnetic " is open.? I installed another one and now the sound returned. Also, no THUMP on cancel. I tested all the cartridges I have and they range from 1.6k to 1.9k.? All of them work and sound the same.? So, final diagnosis is an open cartridge that caused the thump and no sound. I thought this would be usefull to someone with the same problem in the future. Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Sep 10 13:37:20 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Sep 10 13:40:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Message-ID: <20090910.163720.1896.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Chris: Your W2600 (1962) is new enough where it came equipped with a good-quality Sonotone 8T (red color) stereo cartridge as original equipment, so all the discussion here lately about trying to track the newer (stereo) records with old mono cartridges is a moot point. If you need replacements, the Sonotone 8T stylii and new retrofit 8T cartridges are readily available. All the W2600 models came equipped a 2 channel sound system. In your amp rebuilding, you are doing what most restorer/servicers do--- leave the old 'lytic filter cans in place for cosmetic reasons, electrically replaced with new tubular caps below the chassis. Good luck with your restoration, JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Protect yourself in the recession with a MBA. Find information here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRb0seVL2IOIyKK7SHyPrQ2ortwSfHe03FJOURbS6I2cVLHLLlOu8/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 13:41:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Sep 10 13:42:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] C-tone arm problem, Bent! In-Reply-To: <8CC004C2BA4C34B-4198-EEFA@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <133342.55162.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> They can be bent--if not, how did yours get that way ?? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/10/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] C-tone arm problem, Bent! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 9:37 AM After removing mech, cleaning underneath, lube job, putting back I noticed the tonearm seems to be bent! With the mech on the right, playing the Rt. side of the record, the base of the tonearm is touching the cradle frame, but the needle is still 12mm from the record!? I visually looked at 3 other seeburg mechs laying around and those tonearms look straight to my untrained eye, while I know this one is bent.? Now, question is of course, can it be straightened? I wish I could just bend it back and be done with it, but I think it is cast, and I have visions of it cracking or breaking.? OR I do have an extra mech with a yellow tonearm that I can use for parts, should I try to replace it?? Thanks for the advise.? I have not replaced a tonearm before. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... Either "something" has fallen down somewhere in the assembly (which would be my guess if it was working before you "power washed" it), or someone has turned adjusting screw 2 down too far, or the lock lever pin is bent. You will probably need to remove the whole assembly --a good idea anyway, and re-lube the rollers in the back-- to find what ever has fallen down-- Check ALL adjustments in sequence, after re-assembly. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:52 PM OK gang, Here is what's up.? I am finishing up a very nice Sburg C that was a very unmolested machine to start with. I cleaned the mech the way I usually do, powerwash the heck out of it, lube it, dry, etc. and its scanning fine. What its not doing, is putting the tonearm where it belongs.? The carriage as I call it, moves left to right as it should, but the tonearm just sits there, leaning to the left.? When an even number (bottom) is selected, carrage moves to the left, but tone arm will not touch record, even if you try and force it over, no way.? On the other side, when you play an odd number selection, the tone arm sags to the right and actually gets hit by the record coming into place. If you hold the tonearm to the left, once the record sets in place, it will play as usual.?I think there must be something not lubed thats binding, but I have no clue what it is.? Couldnt find it address in any of my literature, manual, etc.? Ideas from the gang?? Thanks, EMB _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From steve at pro-ns.net Thu Sep 10 14:02:55 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Thu Sep 10 14:04:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <20090910.163720.1896.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090910.163720.1896.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20090910210255.GU10536@pro-ns.net> Jim, You got me wondering when Wurlitzer quit doing mono boxes. Looking online I find that needlesforjukeboxes.com mentions the 2600 available in a mono/cobra verision as well as a stereo / sonotone version. So, like my 2410S from the 2400 series, it might not be a given for a 2600 series jukebox. (I specifically was looking for a stereo version when I got mine, to be sure I wouldn't have any issues with newer records.) --> Steve Wahl On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 08:37:20PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: > > Chris: > > Your W2600 (1962) is new enough where it came equipped with a good-quality Sonotone 8T (red color) stereo cartridge as original equipment, so all the discussion here lately about trying to track the newer (stereo) records with old mono cartridges is a moot point. > If you need replacements, the Sonotone 8T stylii and new retrofit 8T cartridges are readily available. All the W2600 models came equipped a 2 channel sound system. > > In your amp rebuilding, you are doing what most restorer/servicers do--- leave the old 'lytic filter cans in place for cosmetic reasons, electrically replaced with new tubular caps below the chassis. > > Good luck with your restoration, > > JIm Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Protect yourself in the recession with a MBA. Find information here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRb0seVL2IOIyKK7SHyPrQ2ortwSfHe03FJOURbS6I2cVLHLLlOu8/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net I write to make people think. Sadly, in many cases my writing makes people think, "Man, this guy is really an idiot". -- Nizo, on Slashdot From webmaster at guestwho.com Thu Sep 10 15:18:29 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Thu Sep 10 15:20:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <20090910.163720.1896.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090910.163720.1896.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8EB5455FCC8A487E88FA1FECFFCCE8B5@CHRISLAPTOP> Hey Jim, Yes I know mine is stereo with a newer cartridge, I was commenting on the "museum" versus "working original", not entering into the tracking/cartridge or stereo/mono discussion. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Chris: Your W2600 (1962) is new enough where it came equipped with a good-quality Sonotone 8T (red color) stereo cartridge as original equipment, so all the discussion here lately about trying to track the newer (stereo) records with old mono cartridges is a moot point. If you need replacements, the Sonotone 8T stylii and new retrofit 8T cartridges are readily available. All the W2600 models came equipped a 2 channel sound system. In your amp rebuilding, you are doing what most restorer/servicers do--- leave the old 'lytic filter cans in place for cosmetic reasons, electrically replaced with new tubular caps below the chassis. Good luck with your restoration, JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Protect yourself in the recession with a MBA. Find information here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRb0seVL2IOIyKK7SHyPrQ2ortwSfHe03FJOURbS6I2cVLHLLlOu8/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Thu Sep 10 15:22:06 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Thu Sep 10 15:23:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <20090910210255.GU10536@pro-ns.net> References: <20090910.163720.1896.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> <20090910210255.GU10536@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: FYI my 2600 has the red sonotone and the machine itself has "stereo" everywhere - I didn't know they made these in mono. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Wahl" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > Jim, > > You got me wondering when Wurlitzer quit doing mono boxes. Looking > online I find that needlesforjukeboxes.com mentions the 2600 available > in a mono/cobra verision as well as a stereo / sonotone version. > > So, like my 2410S from the 2400 series, it might not be a given for a > 2600 series jukebox. (I specifically was looking for a stereo version > when I got mine, to be sure I wouldn't have any issues with newer > records.) > > --> Steve Wahl > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 08:37:20PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: >> >> Chris: >> >> Your W2600 (1962) is new enough where it came equipped with a >> good-quality Sonotone 8T (red color) stereo cartridge as original >> equipment, so all the discussion here lately about trying to track the >> newer (stereo) records with old mono cartridges is a moot point. >> If you need replacements, the Sonotone 8T stylii and new retrofit 8T >> cartridges are readily available. All the W2600 models came equipped a 2 >> channel sound system. >> >> In your amp rebuilding, you are doing what most restorer/servicers do--- >> leave the old 'lytic filter cans in place for cosmetic reasons, >> electrically replaced with new tubular caps below the chassis. >> >> Good luck with your restoration, >> >> JIm Alexander >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Protect yourself in the recession with a MBA. Find information here. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRb0seVL2IOIyKK7SHyPrQ2ortwSfHe03FJOURbS6I2cVLHLLlOu8/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > I write to make people think. Sadly, in many cases my writing makes > people think, "Man, this guy is really an idiot". > -- Nizo, on Slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From edbap at aol.com Thu Sep 10 15:30:34 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 10 15:32:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] C-tone arm problem, Bent! In-Reply-To: <133342.55162.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC007D72A5D951-460-FBDE@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> Not sure how this tonearm got this way Ron, everything else on this C is immaculate and very original.? anyway I was pretty sure I couldn't "bend it back" while it was still installed, so I?removed one from an old spare parts C mech that I have?( couldn't find instructions anywhere). Then I felt confident enough that I could remove the bent one from the machine I am restoring for someone else, and swapped them.? Its up and running great now, but the tonearm doesn't seem to go as far toward the center of the record as it used to.? I do have more adjustments to make, but its up and semi-running.? Why the heck it was bent in the first place will remain a mystery to me. Thanks, EMB -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:41 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] C-tone arm problem, Bent! They can be bent--if not, how did yours get that way ?? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/10/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] C-tone arm problem, Bent! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 9:37 AM After removing mech, cleaning underneath, lube job, putting back I noticed the tonearm seems to be bent! With the mech on the right, playing the Rt. side of the record, the base of the tonearm is touching the cradle frame, but the needle is still 12mm from the record!? I visually looked at 3 other seeburg mechs laying around and those tonearms look straight to my untrained eye, while I know this one is bent.? Now, question is of course, can it be straightened? I wish I could just bend it back and be done with it, but I think it is cast, and I have visions of it cracking or breaking.? OR I do have an extra mech with a yellow tonearm that I can use for parts, should I try to replace it?? Thanks for the advise.? I have not replaced a tonearm before. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... Either "something" has fallen down somewhere in the assembly (which would be my guess if it was working before you "power washed" it), or someone has turned adjusting screw 2 down too far, or the lock lever pin is bent. You will probably need to remove the whole assembly --a good idea anyway, and re-lube the rollers in the back-- to find what ever has fallen down-- Check ALL adjustments in sequence, after re-assembly. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:52 PM OK gang, Here is what's up.? I am finishing up a very nice Sburg C that was a very unmolested machine to start with. I cleaned the mech the way I usually do, powerwash the heck out of it, lube it, dry, etc. and its scanning fine. What its not doing, is putting the tonearm where it belongs.? The carriage as I call it, moves left to right as it should, but the tonearm just sits there, leaning to the left.? When an even number (bottom) is selected, carrage moves to the left, but tone arm will not touch record, even if you try and force it over, no way.? On the other side, when you play an odd number selection, the tone arm sags to the right and actually gets hit by the record coming into place. If you hold the tonearm to the left, once the record sets in place, it will play as usual.?I think there must be something not lubed thats binding, but I have no clue what it is.? Couldnt find it address in any of my literature, manual, etc.? Ideas from the gang?? Thanks, EMB _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Sep 10 16:06:00 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Sep 10 16:08:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Message-ID: <20090910.190600.14160.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Steve: My Wurlitzer history book says that the last year for mono jukes was the 2500 (1961) model and that most of the 2500 production was for the stereo models. The mono 2500 juke contained a single-channel amplifier with 6L6 output tubes. Their lit. mentions the cobra pickup. Personally, one of my customers owns a W2410 (1960) mono model. This unit has the mono 6L6 amplifier and still has the cobra cartridge setup in it. Someone else (Chris Ralph?) mentioned it here. Any of these early stereo jukes usually had lots of signage on them announcing that fact. It was a big deal at the time. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Simple and Easy. Click here to wipe out your debt in 12-36 months. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSPqGVExoHdKAgawxCfQv6jPSBYycj4G6Ggr2xIur4483MwyIwl8k/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 16:09:24 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Sep 10 16:11:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] C-tone arm problem, Bent! In-Reply-To: <8CC007D72A5D951-460-FBDE@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <194448.87773.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Go through ALL the tone arm adjustments in sequence, starting with # 1.? Most anytime you change a part, you should "get out the book"-- Ron --- On Thu, 9/10/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] C-tone arm problem, Bent! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 3:30 PM Not sure how this tonearm got this way Ron, everything else on this C is immaculate and very original.? anyway I was pretty sure I couldn't "bend it back" while it was still installed, so I?removed one from an old spare parts C mech that I have?( couldn't find instructions anywhere). Then I felt confident enough that I could remove the bent one from the machine I am restoring for someone else, and swapped them.? Its up and running great now, but the tonearm doesn't seem to go as far toward the center of the record as it used to.? I do have more adjustments to make, but its up and semi-running.? Why the heck it was bent in the first place will remain a mystery to me. Thanks, EMB -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:41 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] C-tone arm problem, Bent! They can be bent--if not, how did yours get that way ?? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/10/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] C-tone arm problem, Bent! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 9:37 AM After removing mech, cleaning underneath, lube job, putting back I noticed the tonearm seems to be bent! With the mech on the right, playing the Rt. side of the record, the base of the tonearm is touching the cradle frame, but the needle is still 12mm from the record!? I visually looked at 3 other seeburg mechs laying around and those tonearms look straight to my untrained eye, while I know this one is bent.? Now, question is of course, can it be straightened? I wish I could just bend it back and be done with it, but I think it is cast, and I have visions of it cracking or breaking.? OR I do have an extra mech with a yellow tonearm that I can use for parts, should I try to replace it?? Thanks for the advise.? I have not replaced a tonearm before. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... Either "something" has fallen down somewhere in the assembly (which would be my guess if it was working before you "power washed" it), or someone has turned adjusting screw 2 down too far, or the lock lever pin is bent. You will probably need to remove the whole assembly --a good idea anyway, and re-lube the rollers in the back-- to find what ever has fallen down-- Check ALL adjustments in sequence, after re-assembly. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/9/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of tonearms, prob. with my C restoration... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:52 PM OK gang, Here is what's up.? I am finishing up a very nice Sburg C that was a very unmolested machine to start with. I cleaned the mech the way I usually do, powerwash the heck out of it, lube it, dry, etc. and its scanning fine. What its not doing, is putting the tonearm where it belongs.? The carriage as I call it, moves left to right as it should, but the tonearm just sits there, leaning to the left.? When an even number (bottom) is selected, carrage moves to the left, but tone arm will not touch record, even if you try and force it over, no way.? On the other side, when you play an odd number selection, the tone arm sags to the right and actually gets hit by the record coming into place. If you hold the tonearm to the left, once the record sets in place, it will play as usual.?I think there must be something not lubed thats binding, but I have no clue what it is.? Couldnt find it address in any of my literature, manual, etc.? Ideas from the gang?? Thanks, EMB _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 16:14:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Sep 10 16:16:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <20090910.190600.14160.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <279350.86959.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Steve, and all, Watch out--"operators" cheat ! I have seen MANY a mono phonograph with "Stereo" signs on ( or all over ) it !? Most locations could not tell the difference, nor, after the first? few years, did anyone try !? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/10/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:06 PM Steve: My Wurlitzer history book says that the last year for mono jukes was the 2500? (1961) model and that most of the 2500 production was for the stereo models.? ???The mono 2500 juke contained a single-channel amplifier with 6L6 output tubes.? Their lit. mentions the cobra pickup. Personally, one of my customers owns a W2410? (1960) mono model.? ? This unit has the mono 6L6 amplifier and still has the cobra cartridge setup in it.? ? Someone else? (Chris Ralph?) mentioned it here.???Any of these early stereo jukes usually had lots of signage on them announcing that fact.? It was a big deal at the time.??? JIm Alexander? ? ? ? ? ? ____________________________________________________________ Simple and Easy. Click here to wipe out your debt in 12-36 months. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSPqGVExoHdKAgawxCfQv6jPSBYycj4G6Ggr2xIur4483MwyIwl8k/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Thu Sep 10 16:35:46 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Thu Sep 10 16:37:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <20090910.190600.14160.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090910.190600.14160.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <347A6F3628734A64947D04D79F85F33B@CHRISLAPTOP> Yes it was me that mentioned they plastered the machines in "stereo" to make a point of it. I noticed the 2610 doesn't have "stereo" on the plastic trim around the song titles (I think they call that peice a "valance"?), but the 2600 does have it. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Steve: My Wurlitzer history book says that the last year for mono jukes was the 2500 (1961) model and that most of the 2500 production was for the stereo models. The mono 2500 juke contained a single-channel amplifier with 6L6 output tubes. Their lit. mentions the cobra pickup. Personally, one of my customers owns a W2410 (1960) mono model. This unit has the mono 6L6 amplifier and still has the cobra cartridge setup in it. Someone else (Chris Ralph?) mentioned it here. Any of these early stereo jukes usually had lots of signage on them announcing that fact. It was a big deal at the time. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Simple and Easy. Click here to wipe out your debt in 12-36 months. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSPqGVExoHdKAgawxCfQv6jPSBYycj4G6Ggr2xIur4483MwyIwl8k/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Thu Sep 10 18:29:57 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Thu Sep 10 18:31:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo Jukes (was: Original is best?) In-Reply-To: <279350.86959.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <279350.86959.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2B9B407B7C7648D3B9FFA9764A528D93@CHRISLAPTOP> On the topic of mono/stereo, my 2600 has a stereo amp (2 channels) and two 12" cones side by side (and a small tweeter above), BUT one is mid while the other is a sub. How does this work for producing stereo ? Is it all in the crossover ? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Jim, Steve, and all, Watch out--"operators" cheat ! I have seen MANY a mono phonograph with "Stereo" signs on ( or all over ) it ! Most locations could not tell the difference, nor, after the first few years, did anyone try ! Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/10/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:06 PM Steve: My Wurlitzer history book says that the last year for mono jukes was the 2500 (1961) model and that most of the 2500 production was for the stereo models. The mono 2500 juke contained a single-channel amplifier with 6L6 output tubes. Their lit. mentions the cobra pickup. Personally, one of my customers owns a W2410 (1960) mono model. This unit has the mono 6L6 amplifier and still has the cobra cartridge setup in it. Someone else (Chris Ralph?) mentioned it here. Any of these early stereo jukes usually had lots of signage on them announcing that fact. It was a big deal at the time. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Simple and Easy. Click here to wipe out your debt in 12-36 months. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSPqGVExoHdKAgawxCfQv6jPSBYycj4G6Ggr2xIur4483MwyIwl8k/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Sep 10 18:33:22 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Thu Sep 10 18:34:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <20090910.163720.1896.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090910.163720.1896.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <493B83D177FD44C19D6C26C1A401AC49@p4> Jim, Funny when discussing jukeboxes, 1962 is considered "new enough". Just caught me as funny :-)> Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:37 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Chris: Your W2600 (1962) is new enough where it came equipped with a good-quality Sonotone 8T (red color) stereo cartridge as original equipment, so all the discussion here lately about trying to track the newer (stereo) records with old mono cartridges is a moot point. If you need replacements, the Sonotone 8T stylii and new retrofit 8T cartridges are readily available. All the W2600 models came equipped a 2 channel sound system. In your amp rebuilding, you are doing what most restorer/servicers do--- leave the old 'lytic filter cans in place for cosmetic reasons, electrically replaced with new tubular caps below the chassis. Good luck with your restoration, JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Protect yourself in the recession with a MBA. Find information here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRb0seVL2IOIyKK7SHyPrQ2 ortwSfHe03FJOURbS6I2cVLHLLlOu8/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Sep 10 18:36:09 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Thu Sep 10 18:37:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] status of member? Message-ID: Has anyone heard from Jeremy Aguema(sp), NSM Satellite guy, lately? Have not seen a post from him in quite a bit. Rich From jay at west.net Thu Sep 10 18:52:57 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Sep 10 18:54:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo Jukes In-Reply-To: <2B9B407B7C7648D3B9FFA9764A528D93@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <279350.86959.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <2B9B407B7C7648D3B9FFA9764A528D93@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4AA9AD79.8080007@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > On the topic of mono/stereo, my 2600 has a stereo amp (2 channels) and > two 12" cones side by side (and a small tweeter above), BUT one is mid > while the other is a sub. How does this work for producing stereo ? Poorly. :-) > Is it all in the crossover ? Good stereo imaging within the width of a jukebox cabinet is difficult. In Wurlitzer's case up through at least the 2800 series two speakers were on one channel and one on the other. The jukebox cabinet alone really didn't do stereo well. Later Wurlitzers like the 3000 added small top speakers that were wired left-and-right for stereo but kept the same oddball woofer-mid-tweeter split connection in the base of the cabinet. Seeburg, starting with the 220/222, has always used one of an identical set of speakers per channel, with a special crossover-style network that changed the separation when external speakers were used. Early Rockola stereo boxes used a monaural speaker or woofer/tweeter in the cabinet fed from both channels. They were only stereo when external speakers were added. A switch on the amplifier selected monaural to cabinet only, stereo to external speakers only, or "hybrid" with the cabinet speaker a monaural "center" channel. AMI probably had the best idea from an engineering standpoint with their "Stereo-Round" system. The woofer and a center tweeter were mono, and side speakers wired as stereo with a small out-of-phase component of the opposite channel. This gave a bit more ambience and "depth" than straight left-and-right connections. Early stereo records also were somewhat unusual in terms of mastering compared to what we're used to today. Many, including early Beatles stereo recordings, have the vocals on one channel and the instruments on the other. This made it obvious that the recordings were stereo as the speakers were clearly playing different material, but the imaging was just strange. It sounded like the listener was standing sideways between the lead singer and the band. These were the early days. Stereo was a huge marketing push but really wasn't quite ready for prime time in many respects. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 19:50:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Sep 10 19:52:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <279350.86959.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <291509.28280.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy's, I just remembered--the Seeburg M 100 B that I am still operating ( with 12- 3W-1's) on location, still has the (aftermarket) dome glass in it that was there when I found it. It proudly proclaims, in the same script as "Seeburg", "deluxe high fidelity".? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:14 PM Jim, Steve, and all, Watch out--"operators" cheat ! I have seen MANY a mono phonograph with "Stereo" signs on ( or all over ) it !? Most locations could not tell the difference, nor, after the first? few years, did anyone try !? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/10/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:06 PM Steve: My Wurlitzer history book says that the last year for mono jukes was the 2500? (1961) model and that most of the 2500 production was for the stereo models.? ???The mono 2500 juke contained a single-channel amplifier with 6L6 output tubes.? Their lit. mentions the cobra pickup. Personally, one of my customers owns a W2410? (1960) mono model.? ? This unit has the mono 6L6 amplifier and still has the cobra cartridge setup in it.? ? Someone else? (Chris Ralph?) mentioned it here.???Any of these early stereo jukes usually had lots of signage on them announcing that fact.? It was a big deal at the time.??? JIm Alexander? ? ? ? ? ? ____________________________________________________________ Simple and Easy. Click here to wipe out your debt in 12-36 months. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSPqGVExoHdKAgawxCfQv6jPSBYycj4G6Ggr2xIur4483MwyIwl8k/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Thu Sep 10 19:51:13 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Thu Sep 10 19:52:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo Jukes In-Reply-To: <4AA9AD79.8080007@west.net> References: <279350.86959.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><2B9B407B7C7648D3B9FFA9764A528D93@CHRISLAPTOP> <4AA9AD79.8080007@west.net> Message-ID: <37CD62DCA44E4D3FB9550C6139270914@CHRISLAPTOP> Thanks Jay, I pulled out the service manual and sure enough it shows mid on one channel and woofer/tweeter combination on the other! Someone here mentioned using "Hotel California" as a stereo test. Was that you ? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Stereo Jukes > Chris Ralph wrote: >> On the topic of mono/stereo, my 2600 has a stereo amp (2 channels) and >> two 12" cones side by side (and a small tweeter above), BUT one is mid >> while the other is a sub. How does this work for producing stereo ? > > Poorly. :-) > >> Is it all in the crossover ? > > Good stereo imaging within the width of a jukebox cabinet is difficult. In > Wurlitzer's case up through at least the 2800 series two speakers were on > one channel and one on the other. The jukebox cabinet alone really didn't > do stereo well. Later Wurlitzers like the 3000 added small top speakers > that were wired left-and-right for stereo but kept the same oddball > woofer-mid-tweeter split connection in the base of the cabinet. > > Seeburg, starting with the 220/222, has always used one of an identical > set of speakers per channel, with a special crossover-style network that > changed the separation when external speakers were used. > > Early Rockola stereo boxes used a monaural speaker or woofer/tweeter in > the cabinet fed from both channels. They were only stereo when external > speakers were added. A switch on the amplifier selected monaural to > cabinet only, stereo to external speakers only, or "hybrid" with the > cabinet speaker a monaural "center" channel. > > AMI probably had the best idea from an engineering standpoint with their > "Stereo-Round" system. The woofer and a center tweeter were mono, and > side speakers wired as stereo with a small out-of-phase component of the > opposite channel. This gave a bit more ambience and "depth" than straight > left-and-right connections. > > Early stereo records also were somewhat unusual in terms of mastering > compared to what we're used to today. Many, including early Beatles > stereo recordings, have the vocals on one channel and the instruments on > the other. This made it obvious that the recordings were stereo as the > speakers were clearly playing different material, but the imaging was just > strange. It sounded like the listener was standing sideways between the > lead singer and the band. > > These were the early days. Stereo was a huge marketing push but really > wasn't quite ready for prime time in many respects. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Sep 10 22:02:44 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Sep 10 22:05:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo Jukes (was: Original is best?) Message-ID: <20090911.010244.10935.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Chris: It's "one-cabinet stereo" if only the console speakers wee used. There really isn't any channel separation. For most jukes it was necessary to use at least ext. spkr system to obtain the spatial stereo effect. AMI had an unusual speaker setup in their early 60's machines that probably produced greater stereo separation from a single cabinet than the others. The system was called "stereo round". Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for the latest rates on money market accounts! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSbSToWWzYnG2GRY7J4Nnmdufdb3eXYgd41tXmm9JY7oDXCi2a8LW/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Sep 10 22:16:23 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Sep 10 22:19:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Message-ID: <20090911.011623.10935.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Ron: Did putting stereo sound badges on jukeboxes of the early 60's (even if hey were mono machines) help get juke operators any additional play action? What was the point in doing this? The record enthusiasts on the site have properly pointed out that not many stereo 45's were in circulation until 1967 or so. The only other 7" stereo discs for jukes were the Little LP's or special pressings intended for coin operators. If I'm not mistaken, RCA Victor (with the orange-color label) was the first record label to start releasing all 45 singles in stereo. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Apply now for a credit loan with fast approval. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVzTPso0s30Bd5dtvLoxP9QGZ0ILBxhH6TflPn0BtvH5mnreMZ5ny/ From kjq45 at att.net Thu Sep 10 22:28:56 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Thu Sep 10 22:30:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1754 Stepper Message-ID: <1D96553F48144729B00C5B781E3EF720@D41XWQ61> Running out of logical ideas for making the Seeburg 3w1 select the proper records on the Rock-Ola Princess 1493, I picked up another 1754 stepper from Durfee. Once I get all the damage repaired to the stepper, exchanging the entire component might give me a lead. The replacement stepper had a couple disassembled relays, (broken and missing pieces) and the usual cracked stepper gears. I guess I should change out the caps while I'm at it. I wish someone would come up with some new, or NOS gears for this stepper. Victory Glass doesn't carry this gear. Any leads would be appreciated. Glen From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Sep 10 22:43:17 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Sep 10 22:46:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo Jukes Message-ID: <20090911.014317.3214.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Jay: this is a good thumbnail sketch you gave of all the juke mfrs' early stereo systems. The Wurlitzer speaker technology of using 12" speakers with different overlapping speaker ranges is a page from the old organ speaker-designers' handbook. Organ speaker builders would mix and match drivers with differing cone resonances, efficiencies,etc and mount them on different baffle boards to obtain a specially desired result. If you look into an older full size organ sound system you'll see speaker cabinet baffle boards that look like a checkerboard----one driver may be mounted on pine, the next mounted on maple, etc. With the advent of modern solid state circuitry, the ability to build steep, accurate filter circuits tone controls and equalizers, this type of system design became passe. US Wurlitzer kept using the overlapping woofer/ mid cone scheme in all their jukes until they closed down. The last model was the 3800. The early Deutsche-Wurlitzer jukes imported into the US didn't use this speaker scheme. When one of these Wurlitzer speaker systems is working 100% correctly, it will give you a rich, room-filling, full, enveloping sound character at any volume level without losing definition or being boomy-sounding. To make it work well, it's fairly simple---all the speakers, cones etc need to be in great condition, any loose panels, glass, cabinet gaps etc need to be properly sealed for no rattles, and the playback electronics, (amp + cartridge) needs to be in good shape. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ There's no better place to relax and unwind than on your own massage table. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSngc3qR7vIZeO7iCz7ZVav1PpCoXs8TZqlXO9wHzrRQRnxseIPUM/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Sep 10 23:07:09 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Sep 10 23:10:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Message-ID: <20090911.020709.3214.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Rich It's new enough ('62) to be over the hump as far as all the old-mono-cartridge-playiung stereo records discussion is concerned. BTW, in catching up with 500+ old emails from August, I see that you've been able to successfully complete your NSM City juke project. Congratulations---that probably was not an easy job. I saw/heard your "Jump" video. If you haven't fixed it yet, it sounds like the 2 stereo channels are out of phase and cancelling each other out. This will create the effect of vocals, guitar and keyboard solos disappearing into the music mix. It will also cause a milky-sounding bass reproduction. Reverse polarity of one of the phono cartridge lead pairs into your amp input to fix the problem. If this isn't practical reverse the amp output leads to one channel's speaker system. I think you'll hear a big improvement. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click now and choose from a selection of top performing bonds! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYV7QCVFH6huWv61XHDKC03ZubaEBOzXMAO2V6W4dVmqcPJYQVMwPu/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 11 00:21:44 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 11 00:23:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <4AA94AD5.7010103@west.net> Message-ID: <469094.74891.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: >? I have a Seeburg 100W however, and > I think those original patchwork pilasters are just ugly. Hi, Jay - Interesting that you call it "patchwork". Those kind of geometric patterns are a distinctly 1950s design idiom, and at the time were considered very modern in the style of a Mondrian painting or such. There's an apartment building near where I live that has wrought iron guard rails on the exterior walkways. Although they've since been repainted black and partially covered with wood panelling, originally the vertical bars were painted white, and little flat metal squares of various proportions tack welded onto the bars were painted primary colors. Also a Mondrian influence I'd imagine. I'd consider the 100-W pilasters a very modernistic design. I guess it all depends on context. From scott at steelhouseauctions.com Fri Sep 11 00:33:41 2009 From: scott at steelhouseauctions.com (Scott Plutchok) Date: Fri Sep 11 00:35:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info Message-ID: Can anyone tell me what the shipping weight for a SS-160 Stereo Showcase or LPC1 Jukebox is? I have several buyers interested in having these two eBay items shipped via freight and have no idea how to advise FreightQuote as to the weight and dimensions? Any ideas where I can find manufacturers specs for these units so I can determine an accurate quote? Where could I look for this info? Regards, Scott _________________________________________________________________ Use Messenger to talk to your IM friends, even those on Yahoo! http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=7adb59de-a857-45ba-81cc-685ee3e858fe From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 11 01:09:29 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 11 01:12:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info Message-ID: <20090911.040929.27964.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> The dimensions and shipping weights for Seeburg jukes are shown in both the owners/installation paperwork (the paperwork given with a new jukebox) or the service manual (a thicker, roughly 175 pg manual that needs to be purchased separately) If you don't have LPC-1 paperwork, I can look that up for you. I don't have the SS-160 manual. The sizes, weights of both jukes are similar (about 235 lbs.) Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6xfYcwAYy9Ot2s4DBaPNy0vATTIf9Gajx3tEnexuKBiV6qet8U/ From JHayes2613 at aol.com Fri Sep 11 04:24:32 2009 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Fri Sep 11 04:33:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info In-Reply-To: <20090911.040929.27964.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090911.040929.27964.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I have an SS-160 manual. If you still need the info, contact me off list. -j On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:09 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > > The dimensions and shipping weights for Seeburg jukes are shown in > both the owners/installation paperwork (the paperwork given with a > new jukebox) or the service manual (a thicker, roughly 175 pg > manual that needs to be purchased separately) > If you don't have LPC-1 paperwork, I can look that up for you. I > don't have the SS-160 manual. The sizes, weights of both jukes > are similar (about 235 lbs.) > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Criminal Lawyers - Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6xfYcwAYy9Ot2s4DBaPNy0vATTIf9Gajx3tEnexuKBiV6qet8U/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 11 07:52:31 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Fri Sep 11 07:54:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of cartridges...Astatic 51 on vinyl repro 78s? In-Reply-To: <4AA9337F.8030300@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <52774.42651.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, if you are planning to "mix n match" repro and original 78s, in my opinion, its never going to work. I tried a Rhino record once on my AMI B, but the needle just skipped across it. I could have spent more time experimenting with tracking, but I prefer my 78s to be original issue. just a personal preference. Regards Gary --- On Thu, 10/9/09, Carmack wrote: > From: Carmack > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of cartridges...Astatic 51 on vinyl repro 78s? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, 10 September, 2009, 6:12 PM > Hey folks, > > On my AMI D40, I'd like to put some vinyl reproduction > (Rhino I believe) 78's in the rack.? I'm wary given the > original Astatic 51, even with a -1 stylus.? Would one > be encouraged to go with a P132-D instead?? What > modifications to the weighting of the tonearm does everyone > do to make up for the altered tracking?? How does it > work for original 78's?? I've been impressed with the > distortionless tracking that my Astatic 51 does with 40's > era shellac.? With the P132 being a flipover stylus, I > can safely say I've never seen a flipover cartridge that > tracked loud passages (trumpets, etc) without rattling > around in the groove, even on the "78" side of the > stylus.? Strangely, the double stylus cartridges like > the Astatic 26 in my 1960 Magnavox console or even a plain > Ronette with 3-mils track very well with the proper > stylus.? It's like the difference between a red-head > Seeburg and a 345-D.? What's been your experience? > > Thank you! > Mike Carmack > > > Dicecco, Michael wrote: > > Thanks James, you summed this up so well..? > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] > On Behalf Of James > > Alexander > > Sent: 2009, September, 10 11:52 AM > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > > > > > > > > Gentlemen: > > > > Another important point that needs to be made here: > > > > The first-issue rock n' roll records (either 78 or 45 > RPM) were commonly > > available in the 50's.???In a lot of > older jukebox narratives, it was > > common practice if a song was played a lot on the juke > that the vendor > > would replace worn records with fresh copies during > it's run.? ? Record > > wear was an accepted value at the time. > > Now that these records have become a > limited,collectible, resource on > > their own, it makes sense to play them with minimal > wear and damage. > > A parallel? drawn here is comparing the 40's > cartridges, with their > > steel-shank needles to the 50's era jewel-needle > cartridges.???A > > conclusion that's been drawn here is that spinning > 50's era > > (vinyl-based?) 78's on one of these 40's pickups can > be lethal for the > > record. > > A similar conclusion can be drawn for many of the 50's > mono-era > > microgroove cartridges, comparing them to > later-generation stereo > > pickups.? ???The cobra pickup was > invented by Zenith radio in the late > > 40's, and it was a big improvement,compared to other > pickups in it's > > time.???Stereo sound on records (circa > 1960) was a big technical change that > > cartridges like the cobra were never intended to > handle.? For a few > > transition years in the 60's, record labels offered > their LP's in both > > mono and stereo versions in order to accomodate owners > of older phonos. > > (I suppose there was a marketing angle--the stereo > records normally cost > > $1 more)???Zenith changed to other > pickups in their early stereo phonos > > (they never brought out a stereo cobra) as well as the > juke mfrs. > > Most record labels printed a warning label on the back > of the album > > jacket? (usually in fine print at the bottom) > warning that stereo > > records shouldn't be tracked with mono cartridges, or > permanent damage > > to the record could occur.???Many > radio-TV repair shops did good > > business retrofitting stereo cartridges into older > mono record players > > at this time.? Older record buyers on this site > may remember this.? ? Most of the > > warning labels, along with the side-by-side issue of > new albums in both > > mono and stereo disappeared circa 1970.? ? > Mono 45's disappeared from the scene in the mid-to-late > 60's.???This > > seemed to be the time that special after-market stereo > cartridges (some > > good, some poor) began to appear for jukebox operators > that were still > > running mono Seeburgs on their routes. > > > > Jim Alexander > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Make the right decisions about your inheritance.? > Click here for more > > information. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSYhs8W0WPwUZscZs51 > > 32YmWQUPdKCZmKjIgaUa5dX4wIkKTGqkyk/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and > the sender does not waive any related rights and > obligations. > > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the > information it contains by other than an intended recipient > is unauthorized. > > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me > (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et > prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et > obligations qui s'y rapportent. > > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou > des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que > le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. > > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, > veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier > ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > >??? > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From TUBADON40 at aol.com Thu Sep 10 18:09:40 2009 From: TUBADON40 at aol.com (TUBADON40@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 11 08:02:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] phonette pay speaker... Message-ID: Hi Justin. I just got one of these. It has to have a separate power supply that maybe powered more than one of these. The timer motor is 24 volt, and the nickel operates contacts that start the timer and runs it. About half way thru the cycle the nickel drops into the hopper. The chute will hold more nickels and when the first one drops, the subsequent nickell starts the next cycle until all nickels are spent. The 24 volt supply powers 2 light bulbs thru a resistor that light the dome when playing. There is a small transformer in the audio circuit that I assume matches a telephone line to the speaker which is connected by the nickels and timer like the lights. Just before WW2 Jukes were expensive and "telephone line" music companys would sell popular music available by subscribed phone lines. They would install these "pay speakers" to collect money for a few minutes of music. The establishments could have music much cheeper than buying a juke box and would not have to purchase records. There were not a whole lot of Juke vendors with routes to place THEIR jukes and give you a cut as developed later especially after the war. Thus the short life of this type service. If you want to sell yours It would me neat to have 2 for stereo. There were other companys, one I can think of is Penny Serenade and Penny A Tune. Hope that helps a little. Don From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Sep 11 08:24:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Sep 11 08:26:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <20090911.011623.10935.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <335105.82891.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, It would be my guess that adding the "badge" to an older machine, would be done as "hype" just to be able to place it in a secondary location as a "new" (or "newer" model)? The operators here tended to "move em down" every year. Did it get them "more plays"--I doubt it as most of the ones I saw doing night service calls ( my 2nd job, in those daze), were connected in mono--- As for the stereo record "dates"--I have no idea. I think it would go hand in hand with the popularity of FM radio, as the FM stations were really "hyping" the fact (here, at least) that FM was stereo, and AM was not ? Ron --- On Thu, 9/10/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:16 PM Ron: Did putting stereo sound badges on jukeboxes of the early 60's (even if hey were mono machines) help get juke operators any additional play action?? What was the point in doing this? The record enthusiasts on the site have properly pointed out that not many stereo 45's were in circulation until 1967 or so.? The only other 7" stereo discs for jukes were the Little LP's or special pressings intended for coin operators. If? I'm not mistaken, RCA Victor (with the orange-color label) was the first record label to start releasing all 45 singles in stereo.? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? 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Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1754 Stepper To: "Jukebox List" Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:28 PM Running out of logical ideas for making the Seeburg 3w1 select the proper records on the Rock-Ola Princess 1493, I picked up another 1754 stepper from Durfee.? Once I get all the damage repaired to the stepper, exchanging the entire component might give me a lead.? The replacement stepper had a couple disassembled relays, (broken and missing pieces) and the usual cracked stepper gears.? I guess I should change out the caps while I'm at it.? I wish someone would come up with some new, or NOS gears for this stepper.? Victory Glass doesn't carry this gear.? Any leads would be appreciated.? Glen _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Sep 11 08:39:46 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Sep 11 08:41:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best?Stereo 45's In-Reply-To: <335105.82891.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20090911.011623.10935.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> <335105.82891.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I know that stereo 45's came into vogue in the late 1960's. The Beatle's "Hey Jude", 1968 was still mono. But "Get Back", and "Something" from 1969 were in stereo. All of the CCR singles, up to 1972 were mono. I think they used stereo as another reason to buy the LP. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2009, September, 11 11:25 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Hi Jim, It would be my guess that adding the "badge" to an older machine, would be done as "hype" just to be able to place it in a secondary location as a "new" (or "newer" model)? The operators here tended to "move em down" every year. Did it get them "more plays"--I doubt it as most of the ones I saw doing night service calls ( my 2nd job, in those daze), were connected in mono--- As for the stereo record "dates"--I have no idea. I think it would go hand in hand with the popularity of FM radio, as the FM stations were really "hyping" the fact (here, at least) that FM was stereo, and AM was not ? Ron --- On Thu, 9/10/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:16 PM Ron: Did putting stereo sound badges on jukeboxes of the early 60's (even if hey were mono machines) help get juke operators any additional play action?? What was the point in doing this? The record enthusiasts on the site have properly pointed out that not many stereo 45's were in circulation until 1967 or so.? The only other 7" stereo discs for jukes were the Little LP's or special pressings intended for coin operators. If? I'm not mistaken, RCA Victor (with the orange-color label) was the first record label to start releasing all 45 singles in stereo.? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? 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From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Sep 11 08:41:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Sep 11 08:43:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <951837.15920.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, That info was published in all Seeburg Service Manuals, and ad flyers--I do not have the cover page on my LPC manual ( wore it off ) but the SS figures are: H52.7/8 in, W40.1/4 in, D24.7/8 in,? net weight (unboxed) 375 lbs--I think the LPC is just a little less in H, and NW-- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Scott Plutchok wrote: From: Scott Plutchok Subject: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info To: "Jukebox List" Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 12:33 AM Can anyone tell me what the shipping weight for a SS-160 Stereo Showcase or LPC1 Jukebox is? I have several buyers interested in having these two eBay items shipped via freight and have no idea how to advise FreightQuote as to the weight and dimensions? Any ideas where I can find manufacturers specs for these units so I can determine an accurate quote? Where could I look for this info? Regards, Scott _________________________________________________________________ Use Messenger to talk to your IM friends, even those on Yahoo! http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=7adb59de-a857-45ba-81cc-685ee3e858fe_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From steve at pro-ns.net Fri Sep 11 08:42:15 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Fri Sep 11 08:43:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <347A6F3628734A64947D04D79F85F33B@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <20090910.190600.14160.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> <347A6F3628734A64947D04D79F85F33B@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <20090911154215.GW10536@pro-ns.net> In a private message to Jim, I conceeded that my source was probably wrong, and that all 2600s were probably stereo. Then I read this: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:35:46PM -0400, Chris Ralph wrote: > Yes it was me that mentioned they plastered the machines in "stereo" to > make a point of it. I noticed the 2610 doesn't have "stereo" on the > plastic trim around the song titles (I think they call that peice a > "valance"?), but the 2600 does have it. That does strike me as odd, seeing as they have more available room to shout "stereo" to the world, seeing as they only have half the title strips to display. The 2610 pictured at pinballrebel.com does not seem to say stereo anywhere (Although a piece of trim seems to be missing around the turntable / light bulb area?). But it does look to have a stereo amplifier; I see channels A and B there. Wait, I looked at 2600 pictures online too, and don't see "stereo" prominently displayed anywhere, either... --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. -Upton Sinclair From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 11 08:46:40 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Fri Sep 11 08:48:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] saw this on ebay In-Reply-To: <785883.67787.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <132667.53074.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hey folks, saw this on ebay uk. Doesn?t quite add up!!! (literally).. Be interested in members comments. here is the link http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wurlitzer-2150-AMI-Model-I-Seeburg-Trashcan-Seeburg-100_W0QQitemZ170381709812QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Video_Games_Coin_Operated_MJ?hash=item27ab8a91f4&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1182 Gary From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Sep 11 09:22:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Sep 11 09:24:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <20090911154215.GW10536@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <313784.73989.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Anyone got the 2600 Service Manual--bet it shows that either one (mono) amp was used, or two (mono and stereo) amps were used--- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Steve Wahl wrote: From: Steve Wahl Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 8:42 AM In a private message to Jim, I conceeded that my source was probably wrong, and that all 2600s were probably stereo. Then I read this: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:35:46PM -0400, Chris Ralph wrote: > Yes it was me that mentioned they plastered the machines in "stereo" to > make a point of it. I noticed the 2610 doesn't have "stereo" on the > plastic trim around the song titles (I think they call that peice a > "valance"?), but the 2600 does have it. That does strike me as odd, seeing as they have more available room to shout "stereo" to the world, seeing as they only have half the title strips to display. The 2610 pictured at pinballrebel.com does not seem to say stereo anywhere (Although a piece of trim seems to be missing around the turntable / light bulb area?).? But it does look to have a stereo amplifier; I see channels A and B there. Wait, I looked at 2600 pictures online too, and don't see "stereo" prominently displayed anywhere, either... --> Steve -- Steve Wahl? ? steve@pro-ns.net It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. ? ? -Upton Sinclair _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Sep 11 09:26:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Sep 11 09:26:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] saw this on ebay In-Reply-To: <132667.53074.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <884248.75463.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Gary, >From what I read--this guy has no idea what he's selling "for a friend" ! In fact, he may not even know what a "jukebox' is--and his "friend" may not either---like many other eBay sellers and buyers ! ? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Gary Young wrote: From: Gary Young Subject: [Jukebox-list] saw this on ebay To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 8:46 AM Hey folks, saw this on ebay uk. Doesn?t quite add up!!! (literally).. Be interested in members comments. here is the link http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wurlitzer-2150-AMI-Model-I-Seeburg-Trashcan-Seeburg-100_W0QQitemZ170381709812QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Video_Games_Coin_Operated_MJ?hash=item27ab8a91f4&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1182 Gary _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Fri Sep 11 09:45:53 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Fri Sep 11 09:47:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] saw this on ebay In-Reply-To: <884248.75463.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <132667.53074.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <884248.75463.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501ca32ff$53a67e70$faf37b50$@force9.co.uk> Well he certainly can't count the number of records they play ;-) -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 11 September 2009 17:27 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] saw this on ebay Gary, >From what I read--this guy has no idea what he's selling "for a friend" ! In fact, he may not even know what a "jukebox' is--and his "friend" may not either---like many other eBay sellers and buyers ! ? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Gary Young wrote: From: Gary Young Subject: [Jukebox-list] saw this on ebay To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 8:46 AM Hey folks, saw this on ebay uk. Doesn?t quite add up!!! (literally).. Be interested in members comments. here is the link http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wurlitzer-2150-AMI-Model-I-Seeburg-Trashcan-Seeburg-100_W0QQitemZ170381709812QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Video_Games_Coin_Operated_MJ?hash=item27ab8a91f4&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1182 Gary _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 11 10:34:33 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 11 10:38:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best?Stereo 45's Message-ID: <20090911.133433.818.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Ron: As far as stereo 45's were concerned, RCA began quietly issuing their records---all artists at the time, in stereo. Some of the songs,artists I remember (in an effort to mark the time period) were These Eyes--Guess Who, Get Together-Youngbloods Amos Moses--Jerry Reed Romeo & Juliet Theme---Henry Mancini Orch. Atlantic was one of the other labels to commit to stereo 45's. Perhaps one of the record collectors on the list can shed more light on this. The other posters here are correct----some labels kept issuing mono 45's well into the 70's. One of the reasons I remember this is I was doing tech work for a vending operator that had a sizable juke route. One of their customers was a chain of drugstores that maintained a lunch counter/soda fountain in their stores. By this time most other drugstores discontinued doing this. They had a hide-away type juke installation with about 6 wallboxes at each store. These were not a big earner for the vendor, so the drugstore systems were all older (50's) Seeburg and Wurly equipment that had been "bounced down" , retired or bought as used from other operators. Most of the wallboxes were the square 3W1's and W5207's. Not being able to track the stereo records (in mono sound) with Seeburg redheads and cobra cartridges was a rude discovery because the company had 15-20 systems out there in use. This must have been an issue for other operators as well, because it was around this time that Wico came out with those jerry-rigged ceramic cartridges for mono Seeburgs. The sound performance of the juke was compromised, but they did track stereo records. The only Seeburg-issue stylii available at the time for the redhead were the blue-color, straight 1 mil needles. The bent .7 mil needle that's now the redhead stylus came out a lot later. A small aftermarket mfr (don't know who) offered a stereo-compatible cobra cartridge, but it worked poorly, and still damaged a lot of records. The only tech answer for these old Wurly installs was to change out the tone arms,cartridges and modify the electronics. I guess this ends another trip down memory lane. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Turn any room into a work of art. Click now for beautiful oriental rugs! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTn28uODD9CpncTqqKJ65xexN8pHseRN8y6dQl9lck6evUkYvsQuM/ From edbap at aol.com Fri Sep 11 10:35:15 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 11 10:44:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info In-Reply-To: <20090911.040929.27964.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090911.040929.27964.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC011D5BCBB875-34B4-CD1E@webmail-m040.sysops.aol.com> According to the AMR SEEBURG JUKEBOXES book, they give the dimensions as: 1967 Seeburg Stereo Showcase ss-160? Net Weight- 375 Pounds 1963 Seeburg Model LPC-1?????????????????? Net Weight - 370 Pounds -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:09 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info The dimensions and shipping weights for Seeburg jukes are shown in both the owners/installation paperwork (the paperwork given with a new jukebox) or the service manual (a thicker, roughly 175 pg manual that needs to be purchased separately) If you don't have LPC-1 paperwork, I can look that up for you. I don't have the SS-160 manual. The sizes, weights of both jukes are similar (about 235 lbs.) Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6xfYcwAYy9Ot2s4DBaPNy0vATTIf9Gajx3tEnexuKBiV6qet8U/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 11 10:51:24 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 11 10:54:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info Message-ID: <20090911.135124.818.2@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Ed: Aren't these the shipping weights, that include the box and all the packing material. I was quoting a value off the top of my head---I'm sorry I guess I was wrong. P.S. I did offer to look the values up if he needed them. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Jumpstart your computer programming career with Visual Basic training. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRpllEjWc9SpajWLo9SAWWMm3vY30k216GYSozNIR9g0fWTWxOVIc/ From edbap at aol.com Fri Sep 11 11:02:50 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 11 11:04:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info In-Reply-To: <20090911.135124.818.2@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090911.135124.818.2@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC012136036675-34B4-D325@webmail-m040.sysops.aol.com> No, they actually show shipping weights also on the SS-160 as 410 lbs. They actually say "Net Weight". I have hauled a few lpc's, and I believe it! -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Sep 11, 2009 10:51 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info Ed: Aren't these the shipping weights, that include the box and all the packing material. I was quoting a value off the top of my head---I'm sorry I guess I was wrong. P.S. I did offer to look the values up if he needed them. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Jumpstart your computer programming career with Visual Basic training. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRpllEjWc9SpajWLo9SAWWMm3vY30k216GYSozNIR9g0fWTWxOVIc/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Fri Sep 11 10:38:18 2009 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Fri Sep 11 11:06:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer OMT or same type 12" Speakers needed Message-ID: <282171.41974.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello, I am wondering if anyone is parting out a Wurlitzer OMT machine or similar that would have the same 12" bass speakers as the OMT model. These speakers have a squarish-looking basket instead of being round. If anyone has salvaged a pair of these bass speakers from any applicable model Wurlitzer, I'd appreciate hearing from you off list. I also need the power switch on the back of the OMT cabinet. Thank you in advance, Regards, John Rutoskey jrutoskey at yahoo dot com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 11 11:12:00 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 11 11:15:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info Message-ID: <20090911.141200.818.3@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Thanks for the info. Maybe it's just me, unboxed LPC's didnt seem that heavy. 2 guys could handle them. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Wanna lose weight? Weight Loss Programs that work. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrE4ihhnr1WxMcldDgnKtr8VApN1mxN6dzluE9n6zjFfBMZXSnu/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 11 11:20:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 11 11:23:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer OMT or same type 12" Speakers needed Message-ID: <20090911.142046.818.4@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> John: I don't have any of the german Wurlitzer woofers to sell but the same 12" speakr is used in all Deutsche-Wurlitzer jukes from 1986 going forwardthat employ 12" woofers. These square frame 12" 's do use a different mounting-bolt hole pattern than round-frame 12" speakers, so take care if substituting. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Need legal advice? Click here to find a top notch lawyer. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbp170hl2XOyPSic4UHJ0TKcWFPYXY8hKBSVwvSggrLzssEze9oX2/ From steve at pro-ns.net Fri Sep 11 11:45:27 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Fri Sep 11 11:47:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <313784.73989.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20090911154215.GW10536@pro-ns.net> <313784.73989.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090911184527.GY10536@pro-ns.net> > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Steve Wahl wrote: > In a private message to Jim, I conceeded that my source was > probably wrong, and that all 2600s were probably stereo. > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:35:46PM -0400, Chris Ralph wrote: > > Yes it was me that mentioned they plastered the machines in "stereo" to > > make a point of it. I noticed the 2610 doesn't have "stereo" on the > > plastic trim around the song titles (I think they call that peice a > > "valance"?), but the 2600 does have it. > > ... > > The 2610 pictured at pinballrebel.com does not seem to say stereo > anywhere [but appears to have a stereo amp]... > > Wait, I looked at 2600 pictures online too, and don't see "stereo" > prominently displayed anywhere, either... I think I might be confusing people. I still think Jim was probably right, that all 2600's are probably stereo. I just question Chris's assertion that the 2610 doesn't say stereo but the 2600 does. From what I can find in pictures on the net, I think they probably both don't show it. Ron is absolutely right, that the manual would be definitive, if it shows or doesn't show a mono amp option. Interestingly enough, I looked at the 2700, 2800, 2900, and 3000 in online pictures and they ALL mention stereo. --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net "The only way we're going to improve is if we actually go out and get better." -- Pittsburgh Pirates Outfielder Jason Bay From millerk at midwestchurch.com Fri Sep 11 12:38:03 2009 From: millerk at midwestchurch.com (Ken Miller) Date: Fri Sep 11 12:55:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Service Technician Message-ID: <603A9F4D00E9694586CFEC96FDEB1F79AC061B@ntfs1.midwestchurch.local> Hi all, I'm new to this forum so i'm not sure on how to find and a good service technician. I was wondering if there is still any one out there servicing the older Wurlitzer jukeboxes from the early 40's. I have a few all in good working condition and would like someone to take a look at them just for preventive maintenance. I live in the Northwest Ohio area, around Toledo. Thanks Ken From pinball at telus.net Fri Sep 11 15:28:24 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Sep 11 15:30:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer OMT or same type 12" Speakers needed In-Reply-To: <282171.41974.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <282171.41974.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AAACF08.1050606@telus.net> Automatic Music wrote: > Hello, I am wondering if anyone is parting out a Wurlitzer OMT machine or similar that would have the same 12" bass speakers as the OMT model. These speakers have a squarish-looking basket instead of being round. If anyone has salvaged a pair of these bass speakers from any applicable model Wurlitzer, I'd appreciate hearing from you off list. I also need the power switch on the back of the OMT cabinet. > > Thank you in advance, > > Regards, > John Rutoskey > jrutoskey at yahoo dot com > > These are easily rebuilt by any speaker shop... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Sep 11 15:32:56 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Sep 11 15:34:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best?Stereo 45's In-Reply-To: <20090911.133433.818.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <296744.88574.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey Jim, and all, I kinda wonder if maybe distribution of stereo 45's was regional ?? The reason I say this, is, it seems to me that records here, were all in "stereo" (and boy did some companies "play with the phasing" ), much earlier then the mid-60's--- I could well be wrong, but that's what my great memory claims--? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 9/11/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best?Stereo 45's To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 10:34 AM Ron: As far as stereo 45's were concerned, RCA began quietly issuing their records---all artists at the time, in stereo. Some of the songs,artists I remember (in an effort to mark the time period) were???These Eyes--Guess Who,???Get Together-Youngbloods? ? Amos Moses--Jerry Reed? ? Romeo & Juliet Theme---Henry Mancini Orch.???Atlantic was one of the other labels to commit to stereo 45's.???Perhaps one of the record collectors on the list can shed more light on this.? The other posters here are correct----some labels kept issuing mono 45's well into the 70's.? One of the reasons I remember this is I was doing tech work for a vending operator that had a sizable juke route. One of their customers was a? chain of drugstores that maintained a lunch counter/soda fountain in their stores. By this time most other drugstores discontinued doing this.??? They had a hide-away type juke installation with about 6 wallboxes at each store.? ???These were not a big earner for the vendor, so the drugstore systems were all older (50's) Seeburg and Wurly equipment that had been "bounced down" , retired or bought as used from other operators.???Most of the wallboxes were the square 3W1's and W5207's. Not being able to track the stereo records (in mono sound) with Seeburg redheads and cobra cartridges was a rude discovery? because the company had 15-20 systems out there in use.? This must have been an issue for other operators as well, because it was around this time that Wico came out with those jerry-rigged ceramic cartridges for mono Seeburgs.???The sound performance of the juke was compromised, but they did track stereo records.???The only Seeburg-issue stylii available at the time for the redhead were the blue-color, straight 1 mil needles.???The bent .7 mil needle that's now the redhead stylus came out a lot later. A small aftermarket mfr (don't know who) offered a stereo-compatible cobra cartridge, but it worked poorly, and still damaged a lot of records.???The only tech answer for these old Wurly installs was to change out the tone arms,cartridges and modify the electronics.??? I guess this ends another trip down memory lane. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Turn any room into a work of art. Click now for beautiful oriental rugs! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTn28uODD9CpncTqqKJ65xexN8pHseRN8y6dQl9lck6evUkYvsQuM/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Sep 11 15:34:11 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Sep 11 15:35:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info In-Reply-To: <8CC011D5BCBB875-34B4-CD1E@webmail-m040.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <202910.51875.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well ?? Didn't I say I thought the LPC was less ??? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 9/11/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 10:35 AM According to the AMR SEEBURG JUKEBOXES book, they give the dimensions as: 1967 Seeburg Stereo Showcase ss-160? Net Weight- 375 Pounds 1963 Seeburg Model LPC-1?????????????????? Net Weight - 370 Pounds -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Sep 11, 2009 1:09 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info The dimensions and shipping weights for Seeburg jukes are shown in both the owners/installation paperwork (the paperwork given with a new jukebox) or the service manual???(a thicker, roughly 175 pg? manual that needs to be purchased separately) If you don't have LPC-1 paperwork, I can look that up for you.???I don't have the SS-160 manual.? ? The sizes, weights of both jukes are similar? (about 235 lbs.)? ??? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6xfYcwAYy9Ot2s4DBaPNy0vATTIf9Gajx3tEnexuKBiV6qet8U/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Sep 11 15:36:25 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Sep 11 15:38:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info In-Reply-To: <20090911.135124.818.2@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <143277.46379.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Shipping weights were not quoted by me--410lbs for the boxed SS-160-- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 9/11/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SS160 & LPC1 Jukebox Shipping Info To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 10:51 AM Ed: Aren't these the shipping weights, that include the box and all the packing material.???I was quoting a value off the top of my head---I'm sorry I guess I was wrong.? P.S. I did offer to look the values up if he needed them. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Jumpstart your computer programming career with Visual Basic training. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRpllEjWc9SpajWLo9SAWWMm3vY30k216GYSozNIR9g0fWTWxOVIc/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 19:06:22 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Sep 11 19:07:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] saw this on ebay In-Reply-To: <132667.53074.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <785883.67787.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <132667.53074.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm interested in knowing what kind of cramped quarters they are since... "Buyer to pick up from seller and must know how to dismantel for removal" ?? Thomas On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Gary Young wrote: > Hey folks, saw this on ebay uk. Doesn?t quite add up!!! (literally).. Be > interested in members comments. here is the link > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wurlitzer-2150-AMI-Model-I-Seeburg-Trashcan-Seeburg-100_W0QQitemZ170381709812QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Video_Games_Coin_Operated_MJ?hash=item27ab8a91f4&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1182 > > > Gary > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 11 19:58:58 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 11 20:02:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best?Stereo 45's Message-ID: <20090911.225858.18821.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Ron; I vaguely remember some of the record companies putting out some "welcome to the world of stereo" promotional type records in the early days of stereo that had really exaggerated left/right mixes, music arrangements that moved across the channels , call-and-response horn/sax arrangements etc that were anything but normal sounding. I thought these were mainly intended to help retailers sell stereos. Thought these were all 12" LP's though. Didn't know of any 7" records like this. In the late 60's in the Woodstock/physchedelic era there were a lot of (early generation) crazy phasing/fuzz effects used. Some of these songs got put onto singles. Most major recording studios were using only 8 or 16 track recording at the time, not sufficient to handle the complex tech needs of the artists. Tracks then had to be "split" in order to build a stereo mix for the final recording. A compromise technique used by recording engineers at the time was to "bounce" the tape tracks. This sometimes caused strange phase distortion when the final tape was translated to stereo disc. BTW, bouncing the tracks means taking 2 or more already-recorded tracks and mixing them down (combining) to a single track. Some artistically-complex recordings (the Beatles' Sgt Pepper album is one) had so much acoustical info happening on the tracks that a stereo recording (demanded by the record companies) was regarded as a compromise. This is why (the Beatles' catalog has just been remastered/reissued again recently) MONO copies of this album, and remastered CD are treasured by Beatles enthusiasts. (or so I've heard) It also explains why the early stereo records put all the instrumental tracks on one side, vocals on the other, etc. Most of these for famous recordings have all been "fixed:" in later remastering sessions. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Want fast fitness results? 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Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdlrnpBWq4F8jDpVfCzRybgohcplySvvLw66v72i6xEmIz4k7TrJO/ From webmaster at guestwho.com Fri Sep 11 21:31:18 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Fri Sep 11 21:33:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <335105.82891.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <335105.82891.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My electronics instructor several years back mentioned that in the day (at least in my home country Australia - as in koalas, desert, etc NOT Austria as in Arnold Swarsanegger) there was such thing as AM stereo, along with such weird things as positive ground (ie. vehicle battery positive was tied to chassis, instead of negative as is the case in modern times). Would love to hear about any knowledge/experience on AM stereo.. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Hi Jim, It would be my guess that adding the "badge" to an older machine, would be done as "hype" just to be able to place it in a secondary location as a "new" (or "newer" model)? The operators here tended to "move em down" every year. Did it get them "more plays"--I doubt it as most of the ones I saw doing night service calls ( my 2nd job, in those daze), were connected in mono--- As for the stereo record "dates"--I have no idea. I think it would go hand in hand with the popularity of FM radio, as the FM stations were really "hyping" the fact (here, at least) that FM was stereo, and AM was not ? Ron --- On Thu, 9/10/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:16 PM Ron: Did putting stereo sound badges on jukeboxes of the early 60's (even if hey were mono machines) help get juke operators any additional play action? What was the point in doing this? The record enthusiasts on the site have properly pointed out that not many stereo 45's were in circulation until 1967 or so. The only other 7" stereo discs for jukes were the Little LP's or special pressings intended for coin operators. If I'm not mistaken, RCA Victor (with the orange-color label) was the first record label to start releasing all 45 singles in stereo. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Apply now for a credit loan with fast approval. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVzTPso0s30Bd5dtvLoxP9QGZ0ILBxhH6TflPn0BtvH5mnreMZ5ny/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Fri Sep 11 22:08:22 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Fri Sep 11 22:10:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo Jukes/2600/2610 (was: Re: Original is best?) In-Reply-To: <20090911154215.GW10536@pro-ns.net> References: <20090910.190600.14160.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com><347A6F3628734A64947D04D79F85F33B@CHRISLAPTOP> <20090911154215.GW10536@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <8DC6332B76F64B2CAE4579EB6E4EF41B@CHRISLAPTOP> My 2600 is definately stereo as far as the amp, etc goes - or at least it has 2 channels anyway and is marked stereo. Model #543 Wurlitzer amp. This is the "stereo" logo I was referring to.. it's actually "stereophonic". I was told quite a few machines are missing this trim around the mech - mine is still in good shape. http://www.guestwho.com/juke/canopy_front.jpg Amp pictures (sorry about the poor quality, I need to take new pics with the full set of tubes - it was missing 2/3 of them when I got it): http://www.guestwho.com/juke/Image000.jpg http://www.guestwho.com/juke/Image002.jpg I'd love to get my hands on remote loudness kit - I see the wired remotes all the time on ebay, but none of them come with the motor for the volume pot. There are slider switches (no idea what the technical name is, they are like 6-position rotary switches, not pots tho) for left/right (or A&B) bass and treble. The knob is for A/B (left/right) balance. http://www.guestwho.com/juke/Image011.jpg Here is the stamp with model number, etc. I notice it says reg patent, but doesn't list a patent number (patents are searchable online). I think I got a good deal on my machine because it's missing some "cosmetics" along with top tunes. The following picture shows the "top tunes" list which to me indicates the machine was fitted with a top tunes kit at one time. Some fool spray painted the top dome, presumably after they lost the cards with the wurlitzer logo etc. Does anyone have the peices that go in this "blue" area? http://www.guestwho.com/juke/canopy_front.jpg It's painted from the inside, but it looks like all the brackets for mounting the title, logo, etc are still there. These are taken from the front of the machine with the lid open: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/canopy_left.jpg http://www.guestwho.com/juke/canopy_right.jpg Btw, I don't have a digital copy of the whole service manual, but here's the amp schematic: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/wurlitzer_543_amp.pdf Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Wahl" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > In a private message to Jim, I conceeded that my source was > probably wrong, and that all 2600s were probably stereo. > > Then I read this: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:35:46PM -0400, Chris Ralph wrote: >> Yes it was me that mentioned they plastered the machines in "stereo" to >> make a point of it. I noticed the 2610 doesn't have "stereo" on the >> plastic trim around the song titles (I think they call that peice a >> "valance"?), but the 2600 does have it. > > That does strike me as odd, seeing as they have more available room to > shout "stereo" to the world, seeing as they only have half the title > strips to display. > > The 2610 pictured at pinballrebel.com does not seem to say stereo > anywhere (Although a piece of trim seems to be missing around the > turntable / light bulb area?). But it does look to have a stereo > amplifier; I see channels A and B there. > > Wait, I looked at 2600 pictures online too, and don't see "stereo" > prominently displayed anywhere, either... > > --> Steve > > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > It is difficult to get a man to understand something > when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. > -Upton Sinclair > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From webmaster at guestwho.com Fri Sep 11 22:16:42 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Fri Sep 11 22:18:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <313784.73989.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <313784.73989.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <253607FADB4F40DF9540D522C7496A20@CHRISLAPTOP> I got the amp schematic and a bunch of photos: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/wurlitzer_543_amp.pdf Pictures: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/ (ignore w2600amprecap.jpg, this was taken from google so I could compare with mine) The top tunes pictures are not mine either - a fellow list member here had this kit but it's the wrong type for the 2600 (2600 is just a stepper-like box which works exactly the same way as a normal stepper from what I gather (except it selects the same 10 songs each time), while the 2500 and others have extra mechanical parts) I don't have access to a scanner right now or else I would scan other pages from the service manual (good quality repro, not a precious factory original) I keep looking for a service manual DVD so I can have a digital copy of everything. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Anyone got the 2600 Service Manual--bet it shows that either one (mono) amp was used, or two (mono and stereo) amps were used--- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Steve Wahl wrote: From: Steve Wahl Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 8:42 AM In a private message to Jim, I conceeded that my source was probably wrong, and that all 2600s were probably stereo. Then I read this: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:35:46PM -0400, Chris Ralph wrote: > Yes it was me that mentioned they plastered the machines in "stereo" to > make a point of it. I noticed the 2610 doesn't have "stereo" on the > plastic trim around the song titles (I think they call that peice a > "valance"?), but the 2600 does have it. That does strike me as odd, seeing as they have more available room to shout "stereo" to the world, seeing as they only have half the title strips to display. The 2610 pictured at pinballrebel.com does not seem to say stereo anywhere (Although a piece of trim seems to be missing around the turntable / light bulb area?). But it does look to have a stereo amplifier; I see channels A and B there. Wait, I looked at 2600 pictures online too, and don't see "stereo" prominently displayed anywhere, either... --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. -Upton Sinclair _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Fri Sep 11 22:23:34 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Fri Sep 11 22:23:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <20090911184527.GY10536@pro-ns.net> References: <20090911154215.GW10536@pro-ns.net><313784.73989.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20090911184527.GY10536@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <9EE79882601B4B83878AD397B5821144@CHRISLAPTOP> See my earlier posts re the 2600. I have a bunch of pictures and an amp schematic here: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/ I own a service manual but only in hard copy, not pdf (the 543 amp schematic was scanned for me by someone else) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Wahl" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? >> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Steve Wahl wrote: >> In a private message to Jim, I conceeded that my source was >> probably wrong, and that all 2600s were probably stereo. >> >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:35:46PM -0400, Chris Ralph wrote: >> > Yes it was me that mentioned they plastered the machines in "stereo" to >> > make a point of it. I noticed the 2610 doesn't have "stereo" on the >> > plastic trim around the song titles (I think they call that peice a >> > "valance"?), but the 2600 does have it. >> >> ... >> >> The 2610 pictured at pinballrebel.com does not seem to say stereo >> anywhere [but appears to have a stereo amp]... >> >> Wait, I looked at 2600 pictures online too, and don't see "stereo" >> prominently displayed anywhere, either... > > I think I might be confusing people. I still think Jim was probably > right, that all 2600's are probably stereo. > > I just question Chris's assertion that the 2610 doesn't say stereo but > the 2600 does. From what I can find in pictures on the net, I think > they probably both don't show it. > > Ron is absolutely right, that the manual would be definitive, if it > shows or doesn't show a mono amp option. > > Interestingly enough, I looked at the 2700, 2800, 2900, and 3000 in > online pictures and they ALL mention stereo. > > --> Steve > > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > "The only way we're going to improve is if we actually go out and get > better." -- Pittsburgh Pirates Outfielder Jason Bay > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 11 22:20:58 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 11 22:24:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Message-ID: <20090912.012058.18422.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Chris: A number of years ago in the US someone in the broadcast business attempted to launch AM stereo broadcasting on a small scale in certain regions of the US. It didn't catch on and wasn't successful. There's no reason why a positive DC voltage cannot be referenced to a chassis ground. The devices on the chassis requiring power are run at voltages negative to the chassis. I'm aware of various electronics power supplies that are operated that way. (Since you're a jukebox fan, look at mid-60's Rock ola jukes--they use this positive-ground scheme.) It's not a popular idea. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ342Qeh3jRSRGVONfXTHuHyBJMO5bQEMPfU1F4ne9ueR9fYGUTwU/ From webmaster at guestwho.com Fri Sep 11 22:45:01 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Fri Sep 11 22:44:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] phonette pay speaker... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12A64EDBDEFE45408E7A51259D9E1530@CHRISLAPTOP> I am I right in thinking these boxes worked like a direct dial phone, where you pickup the receiver and it dials the number ? (except obviously you inserted a coin first) On the operator end I presume the music output (from the turntable/amp) just wired straight into the phone line ? I googled these and got up a page with a breif description saying the woman on the other end (some big warehouse with dozens of turntables and phones???) would ask you for the selection number and play the record into the phone, but it doesn't go into specifics about how this worked (ie. equipment, phone/audio wiring, etc). Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] phonette pay speaker... > Hi Justin. I just got one of these. > It has to have a separate power supply that maybe powered more than one of > these. The timer motor is 24 volt, and the nickel operates contacts that > start the timer and runs it. About half way thru the cycle the nickel > drops > into the hopper. The chute will hold more nickels and when the first one > drops, the subsequent nickell starts the next cycle until all nickels are > spent. > > The 24 volt supply powers 2 light bulbs thru a resistor that light the > dome when playing. > There is a small transformer in the audio circuit that I assume matches a > telephone line to the speaker which is connected by the nickels and timer > like the lights. > > Just before WW2 Jukes were expensive and "telephone line" music companys > would sell popular music available by subscribed phone lines. They would > install these "pay speakers" to collect money for a few minutes of music. > The > establishments could have music much cheeper than buying a juke box and > would not have to purchase records. There were not a whole lot of Juke > vendors with routes to place THEIR jukes and give you a cut as developed > later > especially after the war. Thus the short life of this type service. > > If you want to sell yours It would me neat to have 2 for stereo. > > There were other companys, one I can think of is Penny Serenade and Penny > A > Tune. > > Hope that helps a little. > Don > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 11 22:50:47 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 11 22:52:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Message-ID: <20090912.015047.18422.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Chris: RE: 2600 "stereo" juke One of the reasons you will see different stereo badges and artwork on jukeboxes is because some of the stereo banners are part of dome glass panels, album holders etc. These pieces tend to broken, lost and changed over the commercial life of a jukebox. Dome glasses get broken due to restaurant accidents, barfights, and break-ins. If the dome glass of a juke gets broken on location, the operator is under pressure to replace the glass, fast. They may get an aftermarket glass with no markings, or they'll install the "hi-fi" glass on a stereo box because it was available. If your service manual only shows a schematic for the 543 stereo amp among the pages with all the fold out diagrams, then there was probably no 2600 mono version offered. On another page, there would be a schematic for a 25 watt mono amp if there was. This is the point Ron Rich was trying to make. I think the last mono amp model Wurlitzer built was the 536. This amp had large size 6L6 output tubes and the special oscillator input stage for a cobra phono cartridge. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Everything looks better on a beautiful new projector screen! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWP4PgSsXRFBWHGcOiagqinpqBaqQQw77UfwB0fUxC7zSBpQ3kcWs/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 11 23:29:38 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 11 23:31:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] phonette pay speaker... Message-ID: <20090912.022938.6836.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: If you'd like more on line info about old centralized pay-for-play music systems that used phone lines, here are two websites: www.dyz.com/phones/multiphone.html and http:// jukebox.dk/gert-telephonemusic.html. The fist site describes how the Shyvers Multiphone system looked and worked. The other is Gert Almind's written history describing phone line jukebox systems. Last but not least, Google Shyvers Multiphone. This company was apparently one of the more successful operators of this type system. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Buying or selling a home? Click here for free info on real estate services. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYUPeKvv8FQyJvGpp8TVM64jErU42dxnlSeXJtsFWD6hpp9nLRuTA0/ From pinballpauls at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 23:33:36 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Fri Sep 11 23:35:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: References: <335105.82891.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have a 1986 Pontiac Fiero that came with an AM stereo radio. I think that fad lasted about five seconds. I also know that several of the early 12 volt cars had positive ground on the batteries. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Chris Ralph wrote: > My electronics instructor several years back mentioned that in the day (at > least in my home country Australia - as in koalas, desert, etc NOT Austria > as in Arnold Swarsanegger) there was such thing as AM stereo, along with > such weird things as positive ground (ie. vehicle battery positive was tied > to chassis, instead of negative as is the case in modern times). > > Would love to hear about any knowledge/experience on AM stereo.. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > > > Hi Jim, > It would be my guess that adding the "badge" to an older machine, would be > done as "hype" just to be able to place it in a secondary location as a > "new" (or "newer" model)? The operators here tended to "move em down" every > year. Did it get them "more plays"--I doubt it as most of the ones I saw > doing night service calls ( my 2nd job, in those daze), were connected in > mono--- > As for the stereo record "dates"--I have no idea. I think it would go hand > in hand with the popularity of FM radio, as the FM stations were really > "hyping" the fact (here, at least) that FM was stereo, and AM was not ? > Ron > > --- On Thu, 9/10/09, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:16 PM > > > > Ron: > > > Did putting stereo sound badges on jukeboxes of the early 60's (even if hey > were mono machines) help get juke operators any additional play action? What > was the point in doing this? > > The record enthusiasts on the site have properly pointed out that not many > stereo 45's were in circulation until 1967 or so. The only other 7" stereo > discs for jukes were the Little LP's or special pressings intended for coin > operators. > > If I'm not mistaken, RCA Victor (with the orange-color label) was the first > record label to start releasing all 45 singles in stereo. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Need cash? Apply now for a credit loan with fast approval. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVzTPso0s30Bd5dtvLoxP9QGZ0ILBxhH6TflPn0BtvH5mnreMZ5ny/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From webmaster at guestwho.com Fri Sep 11 23:39:37 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Fri Sep 11 23:41:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <20090912.015047.18422.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090912.015047.18422.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: No there is no second foldout for a mono amp. There is the 543 amp, steppers, selection mech, and overview showing wiring for the whole machine. Your explanation about replacement parts makes sense - I hadn't thought about breakages, etc. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Chris: RE: 2600 "stereo" juke One of the reasons you will see different stereo badges and artwork on jukeboxes is because some of the stereo banners are part of dome glass panels, album holders etc. These pieces tend to broken, lost and changed over the commercial life of a jukebox. Dome glasses get broken due to restaurant accidents, barfights, and break-ins. If the dome glass of a juke gets broken on location, the operator is under pressure to replace the glass, fast. They may get an aftermarket glass with no markings, or they'll install the "hi-fi" glass on a stereo box because it was available. If your service manual only shows a schematic for the 543 stereo amp among the pages with all the fold out diagrams, then there was probably no 2600 mono version offered. On another page, there would be a schematic for a 25 watt mono amp if there was. This is the point Ron Rich was trying to make. I think the last mono amp model Wurlitzer built was the 536. This amp had large size 6L6 output tubes and the special oscillator input stage for a cobra phono cartridge. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Everything looks better on a beautiful new projector screen! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWP4PgSsXRFBWHGcOiagqinpqBaqQQw77UfwB0fUxC7zSBpQ3kcWs/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edinman at earthlink.net Fri Sep 11 21:58:13 2009 From: edinman at earthlink.net (Ed Inman) Date: Sat Sep 12 01:43:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Message-ID: <2210716.1252731493729.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I remember one local AM stereo station back in the 90s. The DJ's would talk like it was the next big thing--but it never sounded as good as FM. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AM_stereo Ed -----Original Message----- >From: Chris Ralph >Sent: Sep 12, 2009 12:31 AM >To: Jukebox mailing list >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > >My electronics instructor several years back mentioned that in the day (at >least in my home country Australia - as in koalas, desert, etc NOT Austria >as in Arnold Swarsanegger) there was such thing as AM stereo, along with >such weird things as positive ground (ie. vehicle battery positive was tied >to chassis, instead of negative as is the case in modern times). > >Would love to hear about any knowledge/experience on AM stereo.. > >Chris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ron Rich" >To: "Jukebox mailing list" >Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:24 AM >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > > >Hi Jim, >It would be my guess that adding the "badge" to an older machine, would be >done as "hype" just to be able to place it in a secondary location as a >"new" (or "newer" model)? The operators here tended to "move em down" every >year. Did it get them "more plays"--I doubt it as most of the ones I saw >doing night service calls ( my 2nd job, in those daze), were connected in >mono--- >As for the stereo record "dates"--I have no idea. I think it would go hand >in hand with the popularity of FM radio, as the FM stations were really >"hyping" the fact (here, at least) that FM was stereo, and AM was not ? >Ron > >--- On Thu, 9/10/09, James Alexander wrote: > >From: James Alexander >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:16 PM > > > >Ron: > > >Did putting stereo sound badges on jukeboxes of the early 60's (even if hey >were mono machines) help get juke operators any additional play action? What >was the point in doing this? > >The record enthusiasts on the site have properly pointed out that not many >stereo 45's were in circulation until 1967 or so. The only other 7" stereo >discs for jukes were the Little LP's or special pressings intended for coin >operators. > >If I'm not mistaken, RCA Victor (with the orange-color label) was the first >record label to start releasing all 45 singles in stereo. > >Jim Alexander > >____________________________________________________________ >Need cash? Apply now for a credit loan with fast approval. >http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVzTPso0s30Bd5dtvLoxP9QGZ0ILBxhH6TflPn0BtvH5mnreMZ5ny/ >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Sep 12 03:47:19 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Sep 12 03:49:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <465551.58383.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Chris, I THINK, that AM? stereo is still available here (USA). Yes, somewhere I have seen a pos. ground auto--, remember someone pointing it out to me, and both of us attempting to figure out what, if any advantage--can't remember any answer---do not recall where---? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Chris Ralph wrote: From: Chris Ralph Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 9:31 PM My electronics instructor several years back mentioned that in the day (at least in my home country Australia - as in koalas, desert, etc NOT Austria as in Arnold Swarsanegger) there was such thing as AM stereo, along with such weird things as positive ground (ie. vehicle battery positive was tied to chassis, instead of negative as is the case in modern times). Would love to hear about any knowledge/experience on AM stereo.. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Hi Jim, It would be my guess that adding the "badge" to an older machine, would be done as "hype" just to be able to place it in a secondary location as a "new" (or "newer" model)? The operators here tended to "move em down" every year. Did it get them "more plays"--I doubt it as most of the ones I saw doing night service calls ( my 2nd job, in those daze), were connected in mono--- As for the stereo record "dates"--I have no idea. I think it would go hand in hand with the popularity of FM radio, as the FM stations were really "hyping" the fact (here, at least) that FM was stereo, and AM was not ? Ron --- On Thu, 9/10/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:16 PM Ron: Did putting stereo sound badges on jukeboxes of the early 60's (even if hey were mono machines) help get juke operators any additional play action? What was the point in doing this? The record enthusiasts on the site have properly pointed out that not many stereo 45's were in circulation until 1967 or so. The only other 7" stereo discs for jukes were the Little LP's or special pressings intended for coin operators. If I'm not mistaken, RCA Victor (with the orange-color label) was the first record label to start releasing all 45 singles in stereo. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Apply now for a credit loan with fast approval. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVzTPso0s30Bd5dtvLoxP9QGZ0ILBxhH6TflPn0BtvH5mnreMZ5ny/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Sep 12 03:58:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Sep 12 04:00:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo Jukes/2600/2610 (was: Re: Original is best?) In-Reply-To: <8DC6332B76F64B2CAE4579EB6E4EF41B@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <727907.85506.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Watch that trim around the mech--it crumbles when you go to remove it--? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Chris Ralph wrote: From: Chris Ralph Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo Jukes/2600/2610 (was: Re: Original is best?) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 10:08 PM My 2600 is definately stereo as far as the amp, etc goes - or at least it has 2 channels anyway and is marked stereo. Model #543 Wurlitzer amp. This is the "stereo" logo I was referring to.. it's actually "stereophonic". I was told quite a few machines are missing this trim around the mech - mine is still in good shape. http://www.guestwho.com/juke/canopy_front.jpg Amp pictures (sorry about the poor quality, I need to take new pics with the full set of tubes - it was missing 2/3 of them when I got it): http://www.guestwho.com/juke/Image000.jpg http://www.guestwho.com/juke/Image002.jpg I'd love to get my hands on remote loudness kit - I see the wired remotes all the time on ebay, but none of them come with the motor for the volume pot. There are slider switches (no idea what the technical name is, they are like 6-position rotary switches, not pots tho) for left/right (or A&B) bass and treble. The knob is for A/B (left/right) balance. http://www.guestwho.com/juke/Image011.jpg Here is the stamp with model number, etc. I notice it says reg patent, but doesn't list a patent number (patents are searchable online). I think I got a good deal on my machine because it's missing some "cosmetics" along with top tunes. The following picture shows the "top tunes" list which to me indicates the machine was fitted with a top tunes kit at one time. Some fool spray painted the top dome, presumably after they lost the cards with the wurlitzer logo etc. Does anyone have the peices that go in this "blue" area? http://www.guestwho.com/juke/canopy_front.jpg It's painted from the inside, but it looks like all the brackets for mounting the title, logo, etc are still there. These are taken from the front of the machine with the lid open: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/canopy_left.jpg http://www.guestwho.com/juke/canopy_right.jpg Btw, I don't have a digital copy of the whole service manual, but here's the amp schematic: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/wurlitzer_543_amp.pdf Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Wahl" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > In a private message to Jim, I conceeded that my source was > probably wrong, and that all 2600s were probably stereo. > > Then I read this: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:35:46PM -0400, Chris Ralph wrote: >> Yes it was me that mentioned they plastered the machines in "stereo" to >> make a point of it. I noticed the 2610 doesn't have "stereo" on the >> plastic trim around the song titles (I think they call that peice a >> "valance"?), but the 2600 does have it. > > That does strike me as odd, seeing as they have more available room to > shout "stereo" to the world, seeing as they only have half the title > strips to display. > > The 2610 pictured at pinballrebel.com does not seem to say stereo > anywhere (Although a piece of trim seems to be missing around the > turntable / light bulb area?).? But it does look to have a stereo > amplifier; I see channels A and B there. > > Wait, I looked at 2600 pictures online too, and don't see "stereo" > prominently displayed anywhere, either... > > --> Steve > > -- Steve Wahl? ? steve@pro-ns.net > > It is difficult to get a man to understand something > when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. >? ? -Upton Sinclair > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Sep 12 07:35:14 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Sep 12 07:36:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <2210716.1252731493729.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <884954.1240.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Ed Inman wrote: > I remember one local AM stereo > station back in the 90s. The DJ's would talk like it was the > next big thing--but it never sounded as good as FM. The American FCC refused to set a standard, so 4 different incompatible systems battled for market share and eventually the whole I iead just petered out. By the time I owned a car with an AM stereo radio (1995) there was only one stereo AM station in my area, and it was a news station! But the commercials sounded good in stereo. :-) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Sep 12 07:39:34 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Sep 12 07:41:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <465551.58383.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <388820.91707.qm@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Yes, somewhere I have seen a pos. ground auto--, remember > someone pointing it out to me, and both of us attempting to > figure out what, if any advantage--can't remember any > answer---do not recall where---? My 1958 MGA is positive ground..., uh, positive *earth* as the Brits say. :-) Most British cars were positive ground until some time in the early 60s. No advantage, just the lack of an accepted standard. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Sep 12 09:08:50 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Sep 12 09:10:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <388820.91707.qm@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96949.16246.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Thanks--I think that my Dad's ( 60-61 ?) Austin A-40, was what I remember seeing-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 9/12/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:39 AM --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Yes, somewhere I have seen a pos. ground auto--, remember > someone pointing it out to me, and both of us attempting to > figure out what, if any advantage--can't remember any > answer---do not recall where---? My 1958 MGA is positive ground..., uh, positive *earth* as the Brits say. :-)? Most British cars were positive ground until some time in the early 60s.? No advantage, just the lack of an accepted standard. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Sep 12 09:21:32 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Sep 12 09:23:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? In-Reply-To: <96949.16246.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <388820.91707.qm@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <96949.16246.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01ca33c5$17a6ed30$46f4c790$@force9.co.uk> Most +ve earth cars in the UK have at some point been converted to -ve earth. Nige -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 12 September 2009 17:09 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? David, Thanks--I think that my Dad's ( 60-61 ?) Austin A-40, was what I remember seeing-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 9/12/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:39 AM --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Yes, somewhere I have seen a pos. ground auto--, remember > someone pointing it out to me, and both of us attempting to > figure out what, if any advantage--can't remember any > answer---do not recall where---? My 1958 MGA is positive ground..., uh, positive *earth* as the Brits say. :-)? Most British cars were positive ground until some time in the early 60s.? No advantage, just the lack of an accepted standard. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Sep 12 13:03:51 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Sep 12 13:07:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Service Technician Message-ID: <20090912.160351.13622.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Hello Ken: I'm attempting to answer your question about locating an independent jukebox service technician around the Toledo OH area. I'm recommending two names for you. These come from the printed list of technicians published in Jukebox Collector Magazine. I operate a repair/restoration business in the Atlanta GA area. There are two names, both in the Columbus OH area. 1. Dan Colabuno PH 740 653 3105 email: dcolabuno@yahoo.com 2. Ron Liebolt PH 419 253 0681 Here's a name of a tech located in the Grosse Pte (suburban Detroit) MI area. I know that Toledo may be closer to Detroit than Columbus. 3. Bob Welke PH 313 527 7144. email: rwelke@sbcglobal.net Personally, I've traded business with both Dan Colabuno and Bob Welke. They are both knowledgeable in the craft and honest business men. They will both make house calls, but I don't know how far they are willing to travel. Thee's no listings closer to the Toledo area. This isn't to slam the other names on this list. I'm printing them here from a database. I've had no contact with them. Hope this helps you find the service you're looking for. James Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrD3KBJeFHIjPYxzHClNhtLdlFMHTLiDuxUOn5AiSWgea3UfBtu/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Sep 12 20:00:13 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Sat Sep 12 20:01:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 remote volume control Message-ID: <66295EF12ABA4205B6A1F739E40BCAE0@p4> Can you install a remote volume control kit on a G200? If so, is there a mechanical component that is necessary or just the electrical volume control and reject button and 3 wire? I don't see anywhere in the service manuals that address remote volume. Remote is like Ebay item 250492759475 Thanks. Rich From pat2355 at aol.com Sun Sep 13 17:47:27 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sun Sep 13 17:49:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs In-Reply-To: <66295EF12ABA4205B6A1F739E40BCAE0@p4> References: <66295EF12ABA4205B6A1F739E40BCAE0@p4> Message-ID: <8CC02EC10E110DD-8040-23F32@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Went to a record show, bought some 45 rpm records. Later I went and bought a pair of 1619 Rock-ola remote speakers. Both purchases were kinda similar because the sellers wanted low prices because the records/speakers didn't suit their uses. I like re-issues or double sided hits and the record folks like original pressings (some of them too rare to ever play) which is certainly nice for me. The speakers were CHEAP because whoever refinished them to look like typical stereo speakers didn't like the round R emblem. After removing them (and discarding them.. YIKES) the speakers still had a spot in the grill where something was obviously missing. The speakers were $12.50 each. Now I'm looking for the round R piece from either a 1475/1468 or another speaker. Kinda nice price, but too bad the? RRRRRs are gone. Thanks Pat ? From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Sun Sep 13 18:05:14 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Sun Sep 13 18:06:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs Message-ID: Pat that is why they were so cheap! Will check around for you. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sun Sep 13 20:47:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs Went to a record show, bought some 45 rpm records. Later I went and bought a pair of 1619 Rock-ola remote speakers. Both purchases were kinda similar because the sellers wanted low prices because the records/speakers didn't suit their uses. I like re-issues or double sided hits and the record folks like original pressings (some of them too rare to ever play) which is certainly nice for me. The speakers were CHEAP because whoever refinished them to look like typical stereo speakers didn't like the round R emblem. After removing them (and discarding them.. YIKES) the speakers still had a spot in the grill where something was obviously missing. The speakers were $12.50 each. Now I'm looking for the round R piece from either a 1475/1468 or another speaker. Kinda nice price, but too bad the? RRRRRs are gone. Thanks Pat ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Sun Sep 13 18:42:32 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Sun Sep 13 18:44:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer ceramic bulb holders! Message-ID: Greetings! I am looking for six (6) ceramic light bulb holers for a Wurlitzer 700. If you have any for sale or know of someone who may have some I would appreciate the info. Thanks All From kjq45 at att.net Sun Sep 13 18:56:49 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Sep 13 18:58:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs References: <66295EF12ABA4205B6A1F739E40BCAE0@p4> <8CC02EC10E110DD-8040-23F32@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <68CB384F34E3401A8545FEA6ACCC6B17@D41XWQ61> Re-issue records are my favorite to play, especially on the "Collectables" label. The vinyl is superb to the originals. I have many of both. Many of the "Collectables" records are on sale by the distributor for $1 each, brand new. On the speakers, you might try Bill Butterfield. If we're talking about the same model, I bought two from him and I believe he had one more left. You're not gonna pay $12.50 though. You got a heck of a deal on those. The round R's by themselves might be hard to come by. When I connected my speakers to the Rock-Ola Princess 1493, it was like a different machine. The cabinet speakers don't have a fidelity that the remotes do. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs > > Went to a record show, bought some 45 rpm records. Later I went and bought > a pair of 1619 Rock-ola remote speakers. Both purchases were kinda similar > because the sellers wanted low prices because the records/speakers didn't > suit their uses. I like re-issues or double sided hits and the record > folks like original pressings (some of them too rare to ever play) which > is certainly nice for me. The speakers were CHEAP because whoever > refinished them to look like typical stereo speakers didn't like the round > R emblem. After removing them (and discarding them.. YIKES) the speakers > still had a spot in the grill where something was obviously missing. The > speakers were $12.50 each. Now I'm looking for the round R piece from > either a 1475/1468 or another speaker. Kinda nice price, but too bad the? > RRRRRs are gone. Thanks Pat > > > > > ? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Sun Sep 13 19:06:02 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Sun Sep 13 19:07:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs Message-ID: Glen who is the seller of "Collectable" records for $ 1.00 each? Thanks Al ..... ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun Sep 13 21:56:49 2009 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs Re-issue records are my favorite to play, especially on the "Collectables" label. The vinyl is superb to the originals. I have many of both. Many of the "Collectables" records are on sale by the distributor for $1 each, brand new. On the speakers, you might try Bill Butterfield. If we're talking about the same model, I bought two from him and I believe he had one more left. You're not gonna pay $12.50 though. You got a heck of a deal on those. The round R's by themselves might be hard to come by. When I connected my speakers to the Rock-Ola Princess 1493, it was like a different machine. The cabinet speakers don't have a fidelity that the remotes do. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs > > Went to a record show, bought some 45 rpm records. Later I went and bought > a pair of 1619 Rock-ola remote speakers. Both purchases were kinda similar > because the sellers wanted low prices because the records/speakers didn't > suit their uses. I like re-issues or double sided hits and the record > folks like original pressings (some of them too rare to ever play) which > is certainly nice for me. The speakers were CHEAP because whoever > refinished them to look like typical stereo speakers didn't like the round > R emblem. After removing them (and discarding them.. YIKES) the speakers > still had a spot in the grill where something was obviously missing. The > speakers were $12.50 each. Now I'm looking for the round R piece from > either a 1475/1468 or another speaker. Kinda nice price, but too bad the? > RRRRRs are gone. Thanks Pat > > > > > ? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Sun Sep 13 19:19:03 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Sep 13 19:20:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs References: Message-ID: <10F2F9722CD24C968AE3A9EE6DF945AE@D41XWQ61> Here is the link for the 45's vinyl. You'll notice that lots of them are $2.50, but if I remember right, you type $1 in the search box at the top. If you can't find them, give them a call tomorrow and ask. They have been nice on the phone to me. I think their shipping is actually cheaper than actual cost. http://www.oldies.com/product/vinyl.cfm/format_7inch.html I have hundreds of these records and have never been displeased with any of them. Whatever you do, do not buy the package bulk deals. They are reject titles you've never heard of. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Armstrong" To: Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs > Glen who is the seller of "Collectable" records for $ 1.00 each? > > Thanks Al ..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Sun Sep 13 21:56:49 2009 > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs > > Re-issue records are my favorite to play, especially on the "Collectables" > label. The vinyl is superb to the originals. I have many of both. Many > of > the "Collectables" records are on sale by the distributor for $1 each, > brand > new. On the speakers, you might try Bill Butterfield. If we're talking > about the same model, I bought two from him and I believe he had one more > left. You're not gonna pay $12.50 though. You got a heck of a deal on > those. The round R's by themselves might be hard to come by. When I > connected my speakers to the Rock-Ola Princess 1493, it was like a > different > machine. The cabinet speakers don't have a fidelity that the remotes do. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 5:47 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs > > >> >> Went to a record show, bought some 45 rpm records. Later I went and >> bought >> a pair of 1619 Rock-ola remote speakers. Both purchases were kinda >> similar >> because the sellers wanted low prices because the records/speakers didn't >> suit their uses. I like re-issues or double sided hits and the record >> folks like original pressings (some of them too rare to ever play) which >> is certainly nice for me. The speakers were CHEAP because whoever >> refinished them to look like typical stereo speakers didn't like the >> round >> R emblem. After removing them (and discarding them.. YIKES) the speakers >> still had a spot in the grill where something was obviously missing. The >> speakers were $12.50 each. Now I'm looking for the round R piece from >> either a 1475/1468 or another speaker. Kinda nice price, but too bad the? >> RRRRRs are gone. Thanks Pat >> >> >> >> >> ? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From kjq45 at att.net Sun Sep 13 19:23:24 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Sep 13 19:24:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs References: Message-ID: Here is the actual link to the $1.00 "Collectables" records. There are many pages of titles to choose from. I have bought these cheap titles and got some very good music. No junk here. It's all good stuff. Have fun and prepare to spend some time looking. There's lots to see. Glen http://www.oldies.com/search/keywords.cfm?results=vinyl&q=%241.00&x=17&y=29 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Armstrong" To: Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs > Glen who is the seller of "Collectable" records for $ 1.00 each? > > Thanks Al ..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Sun Sep 13 21:56:49 2009 > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs > > Re-issue records are my favorite to play, especially on the "Collectables" > label. The vinyl is superb to the originals. I have many of both. Many > of > the "Collectables" records are on sale by the distributor for $1 each, > brand > new. On the speakers, you might try Bill Butterfield. If we're talking > about the same model, I bought two from him and I believe he had one more > left. You're not gonna pay $12.50 though. You got a heck of a deal on > those. The round R's by themselves might be hard to come by. When I > connected my speakers to the Rock-Ola Princess 1493, it was like a > different > machine. The cabinet speakers don't have a fidelity that the remotes do. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 5:47 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs > > >> >> Went to a record show, bought some 45 rpm records. Later I went and >> bought >> a pair of 1619 Rock-ola remote speakers. Both purchases were kinda >> similar >> because the sellers wanted low prices because the records/speakers didn't >> suit their uses. I like re-issues or double sided hits and the record >> folks like original pressings (some of them too rare to ever play) which >> is certainly nice for me. The speakers were CHEAP because whoever >> refinished them to look like typical stereo speakers didn't like the >> round >> R emblem. After removing them (and discarding them.. YIKES) the speakers >> still had a spot in the grill where something was obviously missing. The >> speakers were $12.50 each. Now I'm looking for the round R piece from >> either a 1475/1468 or another speaker. Kinda nice price, but too bad the? >> RRRRRs are gone. Thanks Pat >> >> >> >> >> ? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Sun Sep 13 19:41:21 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Sun Sep 13 19:42:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs Message-ID: Thanks Glen. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun Sep 13 22:23:24 2009 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs Here is the actual link to the $1.00 "Collectables" records. There are many pages of titles to choose from. I have bought these cheap titles and got some very good music. No junk here. It's all good stuff. Have fun and prepare to spend some time looking. There's lots to see. Glen http://www.oldies.com/search/keywords.cfm?results=vinyl&q=%241.00&x=17&y=29 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Armstrong" To: Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs > Glen who is the seller of "Collectable" records for $ 1.00 each? > > Thanks Al ..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Sun Sep 13 21:56:49 2009 > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs > > Re-issue records are my favorite to play, especially on the "Collectables" > label. The vinyl is superb to the originals. I have many of both. Many > of > the "Collectables" records are on sale by the distributor for $1 each, > brand > new. On the speakers, you might try Bill Butterfield. If we're talking > about the same model, I bought two from him and I believe he had one more > left. You're not gonna pay $12.50 though. You got a heck of a deal on > those. The round R's by themselves might be hard to come by. When I > connected my speakers to the Rock-Ola Princess 1493, it was like a > different > machine. The cabinet speakers don't have a fidelity that the remotes do. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 5:47 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs > > >> >> Went to a record show, bought some 45 rpm records. Later I went and >> bought >> a pair of 1619 Rock-ola remote speakers. Both purchases were kinda >> similar >> because the sellers wanted low prices because the records/speakers didn't >> suit their uses. I like re-issues or double sided hits and the record >> folks like original pressings (some of them too rare to ever play) which >> is certainly nice for me. The speakers were CHEAP because whoever >> refinished them to look like typical stereo speakers didn't like the >> round >> R emblem. After removing them (and discarding them.. YIKES) the speakers >> still had a spot in the grill where something was obviously missing. The >> speakers were $12.50 each. Now I'm looking for the round R piece from >> either a 1475/1468 or another speaker. Kinda nice price, but too bad the? >> RRRRRs are gone. Thanks Pat >> >> >> >> >> ? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From leovalk at hotmail.com Sun Sep 13 20:25:40 2009 From: leovalk at hotmail.com (leo valk) Date: Sun Sep 13 20:27:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & the Shadows / Speaker reconing services? In-Reply-To: <348122.56448.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <232336.51757.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <348122.56448.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I posted this before, with the subject "speaker reconing services". I realized to late that the news about the vinyl might not reach the in vinyl interested subscribers who had "enough" of the reconing thread. Sending it again, I found there is a limit to the size of the mail. So here again, without the previous communication on the reconing of the speakers. Sorry for the double mail. Don't worry, I'll learn eventually. Hi Guys, First of all I want to say thanks to Ron and Gary and everyone else who complimented me on my English. As stated before, it's not my first language, but I try my best. Reading the postings on this list regularly, I know many of us are always on the look out for (new) vinyl to suit our jukes. There might be some among you who are interested in the following. Today, the 14th of September there is a brand new U.K. 7" 45 rpm vinyl release by E.M.I. performed by Cliff Richard & the Shadows. It is available on eBay for, what seems to me, a reasonable price. Especially as this single has three songs(see far below for the eBay link/item number). First some more details on the single. On the A-side "Singing the blues", a song most of you know by Guy Mitchel. On the b-side two up-tempo Rock 'n' Roll songs that were made big by Cliff & the Shadows: "Dancing Shoes" and We say yeah". Probably due to the fact Cliff dindn't want to move to the States, he never became very succesful there. I know many of the subscribers to this list are from the U.S., and since Cliff was never as well known as in the rest of the world, for those subscribers a very short look at his career. He started out in 1958, influenced by Elvis, to record "Move it". A record referred to as Brittains first real Rock & Roll record. His backing group was the Drifters, who, for obvious reasons, had to change their name when they became more well known. From then on it was Cliff Richard & the Shadows. Together they produced a large number of great R&R songs, as well as some fine ballads throughout the late fifties and in the sixties. The Shadows were also a guitar combo (Duane Eddy and Ventures style), and were very succesful themselves. Together with Cliff, but also on their own they had number one hits. In 1968 Cliff and the Shadows split up to start separate carreers which were very succesful. Cliff had hits througout his carreer until this very day. He had number 1 hits in each of the 5 (!) decades since he started in August 1958 and had over 150 singles released! I know at least one song, "Devil Woman" was a big succes in the U.S. as well. Next week Cliff and the Shadows start a reunion world tour: "Together Again". They also recorded a new CD to coincide with the start of the tour, containing their most famous hits, called: "Reunited". On this CD 3 "new" songs more well known to the U.S.: Eddie Cochran's "C'mon Everybody" , Frankie Ford's "Sea Cruise" and, the also the mentioned on vinyl released "Singing the blues". Want to read the opinion of an American guy, who didn't know Cliff, after he first saw him? Have a look on the following link: Mitch Fialkow "CLIFF RICHARD REVIEW SINCE 1980" or copy the address in your browser. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profile/AX4VAYCOIU86X/ref=cm_cr_auth/203-7008901-5651134 I've done some research on eBay and have found about 6 listings for the "Singing the Blues 45". Two of them have the best available price. The sellers are juggling a bit with single and postage prices, as usual. I have bought 4 myself. I'm sure you won't regret buying one. Have a look if you like. If you're not interest, just forget about it, but I think it's worth considering. If you would like to order one copy:Cliff Richard & The Shadows - Singing The Blues NEW 7" item number 350251398665 If you would like more then one: Cliff Richard & The Shadows -Singing The Blues - New 7" item number: 310167807184 kindest regards, Leo _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706 From leovalk at hotmail.com Sun Sep 13 21:11:59 2009 From: leovalk at hotmail.com (leo valk) Date: Sun Sep 13 21:13:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] =?windows-1256?q?New_=28!=29_7=22_45_rpm_vinyl_by?= =?windows-1256?q?_Cliff_Richard_=26_the_Shadows_/_Speaker_reconing_servic?= =?windows-1256?q?es=3F=FE?= In-Reply-To: <348122.56448.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <232336.51757.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <348122.56448.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I hope this mail will contain active links. My own copy did, but in the list mail, the links were not active. Last try, If not, you'll have to do the hard work of copying yourself. Life's a bitch sometimes! I posted this before, with the subject "speaker reconing services". I realized to late that the news about the vinyl might not reach the in vinyl interested subscribers who had "enough" of the reconing thread. Sending it again, I found there is a limit to the size of the mail. So here again, without the previous communication on the reconing of the speakers. Sorry for the double mail. Don't worry, I'll learn eventually. Hi Guys, First of all I want to say thanks to Ron and Gary and everyone else who complimented me on my English. As stated before, it's not my first language, but I try my best. Reading the postings on this list regularly, I know many of us are always on the look out for (new) vinyl to suit our jukes. There might be some among you who are interested in the following. Today, the 14th of September there is a brand new U.K. 7" 45 rpm vinyl release by E.M.I. performed by Cliff Richard & the Shadows. It is available on eBay for, what seems to me, a reasonable price. Especially as this single has three songs(see far below for the eBay link/item number). First some more details on the single. On the A-side "Singing the blues", a song most of you know by Guy Mitchel. On the b-side two up-tempo Rock 'n' Roll songs that were made big by Cliff & the Shadows: "Dancing Shoes" and We say yeah". Probably due to the fact Cliff dindn't want to move to the States, he never became very succesful there. I know many of the subscribers to this list are from the U.S., and since Cliff was never as well known as in the rest of the world, for those subscribers a very short look at his career. He started out in 1958, influenced by Elvis, to record "Move it". A record referred to as Brittains first real Rock & Roll record. His backing group was the Drifters, who, for obvious reasons, had to change their name when they became more well known. From then on it was Cliff Richard & the Shadows. Together they produced a large number of great R&R songs, as well as some fine ballads throughout the late fifties and in the sixties. The Shadows were also a guitar combo (Duane Eddy and Ventures style), and were very succesful themselves. Together with Cliff, but also on their own they had number one hits. In 1968 Cliff and the Shadows split up to start separate carreers which were very succesful. Cliff had hits througout his carreer until this very day. He had number 1 hits in each of the 5 (!) decades since he started in August 1958 and had over 150 singles released! I know at least one song, "Devil Woman" was a big succes in the U.S. as well. Next week Cliff and the Shadows start a reunion world tour: "Together Again". They also recorded a new CD to coincide with the start of the tour, containing their most famous hits, called: "Reunited". On this CD 3 "new" songs more well known to the U.S.: Eddie Cochran's "C'mon Everybody" , Frankie Ford's "Sea Cruise" and, the also the mentioned on vinyl released "Singing the blues". Want to read the opinion of an American guy, who didn't know Cliff, after he first saw him? Have a look on the following link: Mitch Fialkow "CLIFF RICHARD REVIEW SINCE 1980" or copy the address in your browser. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profile/AX4VAYCOIU86X/ref=cm_cr_auth/203-7008901-5651134 I've done some research on eBay and have found about 6 listings for the "Singing the Blues 45". Two of them have the best available price. The sellers are juggling a bit with single and postage prices, as usual. I have bought 4 myself. I'm sure you won't regret buying one. Have a look if you like. If you're not interest, just forget about it, but I think it's worth considering. If you would like to order one copy:Cliff Richard & The Shadows - Singing The Blues NEW 7" item number 350251398665 If you would like more then one: Cliff Richard & The Shadows -Singing The Blues - New 7" item number: 310167807184 kindest regards, Leo _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ From kjq45 at att.net Sun Sep 13 22:17:08 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Sep 13 22:18:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & the Shadows / Speaker reconing services? References: <232336.51757.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com><348122.56448.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Leo, The 45 is a bit pricey in US $, but I ordered one because music out of the UK is usually pretty good. The vinyl quality is superior. It will be interesting to see if the center hole has an insert. If so, I will not punch it out for my jukebox, as that destroys the value of the record. As you probably already know, a small hole center will make a multi speed jukebox, play at 33. ----- Original Message ----- From: "leo valk" To: "helpdesk juukebox" Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & the Shadows / Speaker reconing services? I posted this before, with the subject "speaker reconing services". I realized to late that the news about the vinyl might not reach the in vinyl interested subscribers who had "enough" of the reconing thread. Sending it again, I found there is a limit to the size of the mail. So here again, without the previous communication on the reconing of the speakers. Sorry for the double mail. Don't worry, I'll learn eventually. Hi Guys, First of all I want to say thanks to Ron and Gary and everyone else who complimented me on my English. As stated before, it's not my first language, but I try my best. Reading the postings on this list regularly, I know many of us are always on the look out for (new) vinyl to suit our jukes. There might be some among you who are interested in the following. Today, the 14th of September there is a brand new U.K. 7" 45 rpm vinyl release by E.M.I. performed by Cliff Richard & the Shadows. It is available on eBay for, what seems to me, a reasonable price. Especially as this single has three songs(see far below for the eBay link/item number). First some more details on the single. On the A-side "Singing the blues", a song most of you know by Guy Mitchel. On the b-side two up-tempo Rock 'n' Roll songs that were made big by Cliff & the Shadows: "Dancing Shoes" and We say yeah". Probably due to the fact Cliff dindn't want to move to the States, he never became very succesful there. I know many of the subscribers to this list are from the U.S., and since Cliff was never as well known as in the rest of the world, for those subscribers a very short look at his career. He started out in 1958, influenced by Elvis, to record "Move it". A record referred to as Brittains first real Rock & Roll record. His backing group was the Drifters, who, for obvious reasons, had to change their name when they became more well known. From then on it was Cliff Richard & the Shadows. Together they produced a large number of great R&R songs, as well as some fine ballads throughout the late fifties and in the sixties. The Shadows were also a guitar combo (Duane Eddy and Ventures style), and were very succesful themselves. Together with Cliff, but also on their own they had number one hits. In 1968 Cliff and the Shadows split up to start separate carreers which were very succesful. Cliff had hits througout his carreer until this very day. He had number 1 hits in each of the 5 (!) decades since he started in August 1958 and had over 150 singles released! I know at least one song, "Devil Woman" was a big succes in the U.S. as well. Next week Cliff and the Shadows start a reunion world tour: "Together Again". They also recorded a new CD to coincide with the start of the tour, containing their most famous hits, called: "Reunited". On this CD 3 "new" songs more well known to the U.S.: Eddie Cochran's "C'mon Everybody" , Frankie Ford's "Sea Cruise" and, the also the mentioned on vinyl released "Singing the blues". Want to read the opinion of an American guy, who didn't know Cliff, after he first saw him? Have a look on the following link: Mitch Fialkow "CLIFF RICHARD REVIEW SINCE 1980" or copy the address in your browser. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profile/AX4VAYCOIU86X/ref=cm_cr_auth/203-7008901-5651134 I've done some research on eBay and have found about 6 listings for the "Singing the Blues 45". Two of them have the best available price. The sellers are juggling a bit with single and postage prices, as usual. I have bought 4 myself. I'm sure you won't regret buying one. Have a look if you like. If you're not interest, just forget about it, but I think it's worth considering. If you would like to order one copy:Cliff Richard & The Shadows - Singing The Blues NEW 7" item number 350251398665 If you would like more then one: Cliff Richard & The Shadows -Singing The Blues - New 7" item number: 310167807184 kindest regards, Leo _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Sep 14 06:00:32 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Mon Sep 14 06:01:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1619 Speakers RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs Message-ID: <200909140900219.SM01968@[192.168.1.206]> The "R" emblem is available as a repro part at Jukebox Parts Service in the Netherlands: http://www.jukeboxpartsservice.eu/index.php. The emblem can be found on this page: http://www.jukeboxpartsservice.eu/pages/webshop_listing.php?page=2&id=29&search=&sort=artikelnummer&sorttype=asc If you've got a Tempo 1 Rock-Ola...this is where you'll find those "impossible to find" parts. Aaron From leovalk at hotmail.com Mon Sep 14 06:01:44 2009 From: leovalk at hotmail.com (leo valk) Date: Mon Sep 14 06:03:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & the Shadows In-Reply-To: References: <232336.51757.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com><348122.56448.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Glen, GBP 5.05 in U.S. dollars is probably a bit pricey, but getting brand new vinyl, that has to travel quite a long way, it's not too bad. Most sellers in the U.S. charge me between 7 and 10 dollars to send just one single to Australia. I bought 4 copies of this Cliff Richard single myself, and have them in Australia for GBP 16.25 As I still have an account in Holland, where I come from, I ended up paying 19 Euros, which I thought was good. I noticed a price sticker on the (picture)sleeve of GBP 3.99 (item # 250496422116) so the total incl. shipping seemed o.k. to me. Glad to hear you qualify the English vinyl quality superior. I kinow the EMI records in many cases have heaps of bass, which is good on R&R songs. I'm also interested to see if the single has a large center hole, an insert, or just a small spindle hole. I have a Rockola Starlet, which doesn't support 33 rpm. I have a lot of singles with large center hole which I mostly took from Holland, but also have many singles with small spindle holes. Some I dunked out, but not the more valuable ones. I'd like to convert the turn table to accept smal as well as large hole singles, as my juke doesn't have the 33 rpm option. regards, Leo > From: kjq45@att.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & the Shadows / Speaker reconing services? > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:17:08 -0700 > > Leo, The 45 is a bit pricey in US $, but I ordered one because music out of > the UK is usually pretty good. The vinyl quality is superior. It will be > interesting to see if the center hole has an insert. If so, I will not > punch it out for my jukebox, as that destroys the value of the record. As > you probably already know, a small hole center will make a multi speed > jukebox, play at 33. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "leo valk" > To: "helpdesk juukebox" > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:25 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & the > Shadows / Speaker reconing services? > > > > > I posted this before, with the subject "speaker reconing services". I > realized to late that the news about the vinyl might not reach the in vinyl > interested subscribers who had "enough" of the reconing thread. Sending it > again, I found there is a limit to the size of the mail. So here again, > without the previous communication on the reconing of the speakers. Sorry > for the double mail. Don't worry, I'll learn eventually. > > > Hi Guys, > > First of all I want to say thanks to Ron and Gary and everyone else who > complimented me on my English. As stated before, it's not my first language, > but I try my best. > > Reading the postings on this list regularly, I know many of us are always on > the look out for (new) vinyl to suit our jukes. There might be some among > you who are interested in the following. > > Today, the 14th of September there is a brand new U.K. 7" 45 rpm vinyl > release by E.M.I. performed by Cliff Richard & the Shadows. It is available > on eBay for, what seems to me, a reasonable price. Especially as this single > has three songs(see far below for the eBay link/item number). First some > more details on the single. On the A-side "Singing the blues", a song most > of you know by Guy Mitchel. On the b-side two up-tempo Rock 'n' Roll songs > that were made big by Cliff & the Shadows: "Dancing Shoes" and We say yeah". > > Probably due to the fact Cliff dindn't want to move to the States, he never > became very succesful there. I know many of the subscribers to this list are > from the U.S., and since Cliff was never as well known as in the rest of the > world, for those subscribers a very short look at his career. > > He started out in 1958, influenced by Elvis, to record "Move it". A record > referred to as Brittains first real Rock & Roll record. His backing group > was the Drifters, who, for obvious reasons, had to change their name when > they became more well known. From then on it was Cliff Richard & the > Shadows. Together they produced a large number of great R&R songs, as well > as some fine ballads throughout the late fifties and in the sixties. The > Shadows were also a guitar combo (Duane Eddy and Ventures style), and were > very succesful themselves. Together with Cliff, but also on their own they > had number one hits. In 1968 Cliff and the Shadows split up to start > separate carreers which were very succesful. > > Cliff had hits througout his carreer until this very day. He had number 1 > hits in each of the 5 (!) decades since he started in August 1958 and had > over 150 singles released! I know at least one song, "Devil Woman" was a big > succes in the U.S. as well. > > Next week Cliff and the Shadows start a reunion world tour: "Together > Again". They also recorded a new CD to coincide with the start of the tour, > containing their most famous hits, called: "Reunited". On this CD 3 "new" > songs more well known to the U.S.: Eddie Cochran's "C'mon Everybody" , > Frankie Ford's "Sea Cruise" and, the also the mentioned on vinyl released > "Singing the blues". > > Want to read the opinion of an American guy, who didn't know Cliff, after he > first saw him? Have a look on the following link: > > Mitch Fialkow "CLIFF RICHARD REVIEW SINCE 1980" > > or copy the address in your browser. > http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profile/AX4VAYCOIU86X/ref=cm_cr_auth/203-7008901-5651134 > > I've done some research on eBay and have found about 6 listings for the > "Singing the Blues 45". Two of them have the best available price. The > sellers are juggling a bit with single and postage prices, as usual. I have > bought 4 myself. I'm sure you won't regret buying one. Have a look if you > like. If you're not interest, just forget about it, but I think it's worth > considering. > > > If you would like to order one copy:Cliff Richard & The Shadows - Singing > The Blues NEW 7" item number 350251398665 > > > If you would like more then one: Cliff Richard & The Shadows -Singing The > Blues - New 7" item number: 310167807184 > > > kindest regards, Leo > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Take a peek at other people's pay and perks Check out The Great Australian Pay Check http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ From BTJUKEBOX at aol.com Sat Sep 12 10:03:25 2009 From: BTJUKEBOX at aol.com (BTJUKEBOX@aol.com) Date: Mon Sep 14 08:28:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My Rockola 1428 Message-ID: Maybe you can help, I'm thinking of selling my Rockola 1428 I got from an original rockola serviceman, Box was taking out of service in 1950, box is complete, plays, 78 rpm but have a 45 rpm motor to change out if you want to play 45's. the long amber center plastic is cracked, Could use a nice refinish. But nice and clean. What should I ask for this box? Thanks... Benny From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Mon Sep 14 10:08:17 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Mon Sep 14 10:10:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer ceramic bulb holders! Message-ID: Greetings! I am looking for six (6) ceramic light bulb holders for a Wurlitzer 700. These holders wil have two (2) screw holes in the base to attach them to the juke. If you have any for sale or know of someone who may have some I would appreciate the info. Thanks All From russodue at earthlink.net Mon Sep 14 11:52:59 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:32:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem Message-ID: <23586858.1252954379199.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi, read some of the posts here and noticed lots of very educated people - I hope someone can help me troubleshoot a problem. I just acquired a 1448 Rock-Ola, lovin the Americana! Something isn't right though, the gripper drive shaft doesn't turn. Smaller gear that drives it spins creating a loud thumping noise, due to the gripper drive shaft not wanting to turn. Is this a simple grease problem, or something else? It's strange, I just acquired this beautiful machine the other day and it had this problem, but, while checking it out some more, the gripper arm magically elevated to place a record back, then again, the gripper drive shaft stops turning. Tony From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 14 13:02:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 14 13:04:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem In-Reply-To: <23586858.1252954379199.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <269712.49060.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tony, "Loud thumping noise" AIN'T good !!? I am guessing that the gripper is (semi) frozen and what you hear is a "gear jumping". You will need to find the source of this soon, before it takes a gear tooth out !? Lubrication is most likely an issue. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Russo wrote: From: Russo Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 11:52 AM Hi, read some of the posts here and noticed lots of very educated people - I hope someone can help me troubleshoot a problem.? I just acquired a 1448 Rock-Ola, lovin the Americana!? Something isn't right though, the gripper drive shaft doesn't turn.? Smaller gear that drives it spins creating a loud thumping noise, due to the gripper drive shaft not wanting to turn.? Is this a simple grease problem, or something else? It's strange, I just acquired this beautiful machine the other day and it had this problem, but, while checking it out some more, the gripper arm magically elevated to place a record back, then again, the gripper drive shaft stops turning. Tony _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From andybrescia at cox.net Mon Sep 14 13:43:42 2009 From: andybrescia at cox.net (andybrescia@cox.net) Date: Mon Sep 14 14:12:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1953 Seeburg M100W plays previous selections sometimes Message-ID: <20090914164342.ZEDYP.168345.imail@eastrmwml31> This is my first jukebox ( waiting for the manual I ordered before diving in) and I noticed that sometimes when making multiple selections, the selector goes back and plays previous selections. This does not happen all the time. It is random. It may play the next selection in memory but then after it finishes will go back to the previous one before playing the correct one. This jukebox is in next to mint condition and was professionally maintained. Of course it probably been years since the last cleaning inside. Possible pinbank cleaning needed ? Also I have a question about the record ejector. The last record played only gets ejected half way. It does not return fully into its slot. This does not seem to effect anything, I was just wondering if this was normal. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 14 15:02:31 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 14 15:05:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1953 Seeburg M100W plays previous selections someti mes Message-ID: <20090914.180231.26050.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Hello. Welcome to the group. Thee is a selector pin bank at the rear base of the record rack on Seeburg 100-W. There are 100 selector pin relays, one for each selection. When you write in a selection the pins are tripped, whenever 1 or more pins are tripped, a "search" contact is closed and the mechanism will scan looking for all selections to be played. At the time a selected record is loaded into the mechanism, a switch closure is made to a cancel solenoid, located on the black color contact block that scans over the pin bank. The switch closure is generated by the stack switch on the front of the mechanism. You will need to remove the mech cover to get access to this. The cancel solenoid,if operating intermittently is causing un-cancelled pins to be played again on the next scan cycle. Common problems that cause the cancel solenoid to intermittently fail are a. dirty dusty switch contacts and b. dirty, jammed or mis-positioned cancel solenoid. Take care when coming into contact with the stack switch. The 110V line voltage is present here. Along the same lines, when the mech is playing the last selected song in a sequence, the mech motor is kept turned on via other contacts in the stacking switch. The switch contacts are opened as the last record is rolled out of the mech back into the rack. It is fairly common and doesn't cause a problem for the system if the record is stopped in mid-cycle. Proper cleaning/spacing of the contacts and correct mech lubrication will usually let most of the rollout cycle take place as the mech shuts off and stops. Techniques for adjusting, cleaning switch contacts and cleaning/oiling of the mech (important!) are shown in your service manual. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrD3h03md5OM3yoMdWDEQKFSFQcdLcaWH0tzOj82vaHN2O6vYyc/ From kjq45 at att.net Mon Sep 14 15:04:42 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Sep 14 15:06:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & theShadows References: <232336.51757.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com><348122.56448.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <153DD0C13DFA486ABC37B90357800539@D41XWQ61> For some reason, mail costs to and from Australia is very expensive. I seriously like AU vinyl, but the shipping keeps me from buying. Post from the UK is reasonable and quick; faster than USPS. That's hard to figure. I agree, dinking records goes against my practice. For those not knowing, "Dinking", It's when you punch out the center small hole to a large one. The tool is called a dinking tool. These are sold mostly in the UK and AU. All 45's in the US have the large hole centers. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "leo valk" To: "helpdesk juukebox" Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:01 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & theShadows Hi Glen, GBP 5.05 in U.S. dollars is probably a bit pricey, but getting brand new vinyl, that has to travel quite a long way, it's not too bad. Most sellers in the U.S. charge me between 7 and 10 dollars to send just one single to Australia. I bought 4 copies of this Cliff Richard single myself, and have them in Australia for GBP 16.25 As I still have an account in Holland, where I come from, I ended up paying 19 Euros, which I thought was good. I noticed a price sticker on the (picture)sleeve of GBP 3.99 (item # 250496422116) so the total incl. shipping seemed o.k. to me. Glad to hear you qualify the English vinyl quality superior. I kinow the EMI records in many cases have heaps of bass, which is good on R&R songs. I'm also interested to see if the single has a large center hole, an insert, or just a small spindle hole. I have a Rockola Starlet, which doesn't support 33 rpm. I have a lot of singles with large center hole which I mostly took from Holland, but also have many singles with small spindle holes. Some I dunked out, but not the more valuable ones. I'd like to convert the turn table to accept smal as well as large hole singles, as my juke doesn't have the 33 rpm option. regards, Leo > From: kjq45@att.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & the > Shadows / Speaker reconing services? > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:17:08 -0700 > > Leo, The 45 is a bit pricey in US $, but I ordered one because music out > of > the UK is usually pretty good. The vinyl quality is superior. It will be > interesting to see if the center hole has an insert. If so, I will not > punch it out for my jukebox, as that destroys the value of the record. As > you probably already know, a small hole center will make a multi speed > jukebox, play at 33. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "leo valk" > To: "helpdesk juukebox" > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:25 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & the > Shadows / Speaker reconing services? > > > > > I posted this before, with the subject "speaker reconing services". I > realized to late that the news about the vinyl might not reach the in > vinyl > interested subscribers who had "enough" of the reconing thread. Sending it > again, I found there is a limit to the size of the mail. So here again, > without the previous communication on the reconing of the speakers. Sorry > for the double mail. Don't worry, I'll learn eventually. > > > Hi Guys, > > First of all I want to say thanks to Ron and Gary and everyone else who > complimented me on my English. As stated before, it's not my first > language, > but I try my best. > > Reading the postings on this list regularly, I know many of us are always > on > the look out for (new) vinyl to suit our jukes. There might be some among > you who are interested in the following. > > Today, the 14th of September there is a brand new U.K. 7" 45 rpm vinyl > release by E.M.I. performed by Cliff Richard & the Shadows. It is > available > on eBay for, what seems to me, a reasonable price. Especially as this > single > has three songs(see far below for the eBay link/item number). First some > more details on the single. On the A-side "Singing the blues", a song most > of you know by Guy Mitchel. On the b-side two up-tempo Rock 'n' Roll songs > that were made big by Cliff & the Shadows: "Dancing Shoes" and We say > yeah". > > Probably due to the fact Cliff dindn't want to move to the States, he > never > became very succesful there. I know many of the subscribers to this list > are > from the U.S., and since Cliff was never as well known as in the rest of > the > world, for those subscribers a very short look at his career. > > He started out in 1958, influenced by Elvis, to record "Move it". A record > referred to as Brittains first real Rock & Roll record. His backing group > was the Drifters, who, for obvious reasons, had to change their name when > they became more well known. From then on it was Cliff Richard & the > Shadows. Together they produced a large number of great R&R songs, as well > as some fine ballads throughout the late fifties and in the sixties. The > Shadows were also a guitar combo (Duane Eddy and Ventures style), and were > very succesful themselves. Together with Cliff, but also on their own they > had number one hits. In 1968 Cliff and the Shadows split up to start > separate carreers which were very succesful. > > Cliff had hits througout his carreer until this very day. He had number 1 > hits in each of the 5 (!) decades since he started in August 1958 and had > over 150 singles released! I know at least one song, "Devil Woman" was a > big > succes in the U.S. as well. > > Next week Cliff and the Shadows start a reunion world tour: "Together > Again". They also recorded a new CD to coincide with the start of the > tour, > containing their most famous hits, called: "Reunited". On this CD 3 "new" > songs more well known to the U.S.: Eddie Cochran's "C'mon Everybody" , > Frankie Ford's "Sea Cruise" and, the also the mentioned on vinyl released > "Singing the blues". > > Want to read the opinion of an American guy, who didn't know Cliff, after > he > first saw him? Have a look on the following link: > > Mitch Fialkow "CLIFF RICHARD REVIEW SINCE 1980" > > or copy the address in your browser. > http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profile/AX4VAYCOIU86X/ref=cm_cr_auth/203-7008901-5651134 > > I've done some research on eBay and have found about 6 listings for the > "Singing the Blues 45". Two of them have the best available price. The > sellers are juggling a bit with single and postage prices, as usual. I > have > bought 4 myself. I'm sure you won't regret buying one. Have a look if you > like. If you're not interest, just forget about it, but I think it's worth > considering. > > > If you would like to order one copy:Cliff Richard & The Shadows - Singing > The Blues NEW 7" item number 350251398665 > > > If you would like more then one: Cliff Richard & The Shadows -Singing The > Blues - New 7" item number: 310167807184 > > > kindest regards, Leo > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Take a peek at other people's pay and perks Check out The Great Australian Pay Check http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From russodue at earthlink.net Mon Sep 14 07:55:29 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Mon Sep 14 15:44:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem Message-ID: <4603668.1252940129525.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi, read some of the posts here and noticed lots of very educated people - I hope someone can help me troubleshoot a problem. I just acquired a 1448 Rock-Ola, loving the Americana! Something isn't right though, the gripper drive shaft doesn't turn. Smaller gear that drives it spins creating a loud thumping noise, due to the gripper drive shaft not wanting to turn. Is this a simple grease problem, or something else? It's strange, I just acquired this beautiful machine the other day and it had this problem, but, while checking it out some more, the gripper arm magically elevated to place a record back, then again, the gripper drive shaft stops turning. Tony From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 14 16:28:05 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 14 16:29:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1953 Seeburg M100W plays previous selections sometimes In-Reply-To: <20090914164342.ZEDYP.168345.imail@eastrmwml31> Message-ID: <723038.9185.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> If you have transported this unit on it's back, without the proper shipping bolts/pads installed, or "bounced it rather hard", there is a large probability that you have dis-lodged the contact block from it's proper position.? "Messing with it" in this condition can worsen the situation. I would advise you to wait for the manual, then read "contact block alignment" on page 2151 ( page in your manual may vary--but should be close). Note the second from the bottom drawing--on the left of the two adjusting screws, you will see that the block is supported by a steel spring, shown as a heaver black line. Make sure, before "adjusting" that the contact block (aka "frog" ) has NOT jumped out of the supports. This can be minor, or very bad--depending--on how/what is bent.? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/14/09, andybrescia@cox.net wrote: From: andybrescia@cox.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1953 Seeburg M100W plays previous selections sometimes To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 1:43 PM This is my first jukebox ( waiting for the manual I ordered before diving in) and I noticed that sometimes when making multiple selections, the selector goes back and plays previous selections. This does not happen all the time. It is random. It may play the next selection in memory but then after it finishes will go back to the previous one before playing the correct one. This jukebox is in next to mint condition and was professionally maintained. Of course it probably been years since the last cleaning inside. Possible pinbank cleaning needed ? Also I have a question about the record ejector. The last record played only gets ejected half way. It does not return fully into its slot. This does not seem to effect anything, I was just wondering if this was normal. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From andybrescia at cox.net Mon Sep 14 16:59:08 2009 From: andybrescia at cox.net (Andy Brescia) Date: Mon Sep 14 17:00:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1953 Seeburg M100W plays previous selections someti mes In-Reply-To: <20090914.180231.26050.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090914.180231.26050.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <004d01ca3597$5b60ba00$12222e00$@net> Thanks for the fast responses and giving me a detailed direction to take. Transport went well and the box was always upright but bringing it up a few steps could have jostled it. My understanding is that it has been 5 years since the last servicing so hopefully cleaning and adjusting is what is needed. Being a pinball repair hobbyist I had convinced myself I could tackle jukeboxes as a small step up ! Ah , sweet over confidence !! I see there is a lot to learn and much more complex mechanics than an average EM pinball, but I am looking forward to it . -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:03 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1953 Seeburg M100W plays previous selections someti mes Hello. Welcome to the group. Thee is a selector pin bank at the rear base of the record rack on Seeburg 100-W. There are 100 selector pin relays, one for each selection. When you write in a selection the pins are tripped, whenever 1 or more pins are tripped, a "search" contact is closed and the mechanism will scan looking for all selections to be played. At the time a selected record is loaded into the mechanism, a switch closure is made to a cancel solenoid, located on the black color contact block that scans over the pin bank. The switch closure is generated by the stack switch on the front of the mechanism. You will need to remove the mech cover to get access to this. The cancel solenoid,if operating intermittently is causing un-cancelled pins to be played again on the next scan cycle. Common problems that cause the cancel solenoid to intermittently fail are a. dirty dusty switch contacts and b. dirty, jammed or mis-positioned cancel solenoid. Take care when coming into contact with the stack switch. The 110V line voltage is present here. Along the same lines, when the mech is playing the last selected song in a sequence, the mech motor is kept turned on via other contacts in the stacking switch. The switch contacts are opened as the last record is rolled out of the mech back into the rack. It is fairly common and doesn't cause a problem for the system if the record is stopped in mid-cycle. Proper cleaning/spacing of the contacts and correct mech lubrication will usually let most of the rollout cycle take place as the mech shuts off and stops. Techniques for adjusting, cleaning switch contacts and cleaning/oiling of the mech (important!) are shown in your service manual. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrD3h03md5OM3yoMdWDEQ KFSFQcdLcaWH0tzOj82vaHN2O6vYyc/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Sep 14 17:25:03 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Sep 14 17:26:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & theShadows In-Reply-To: <153DD0C13DFA486ABC37B90357800539@D41XWQ61> References: <232336.51757.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com><348122.56448.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <153DD0C13DFA486ABC37B90357800539@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: On the topic of holes and speeds, it's my understanding that 33RPMs have small holes and 45RPMs have large holes. This seems to be how my Wurlitzer 2600 identifies which speed to play which record at. The reason I mention this is that I have "U2 - With or without you" on a 45RPM *but* it only has a small hole, which causes it to play incorrectly at 33RPM! Is this a fluke or do I have a UK single on my hands ? (I don't have any other small-hole 45s or any 33s to test with, but normal large-hole 45s play correctly) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Pitts" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & theShadows > For some reason, mail costs to and from Australia is very expensive. I > seriously like AU vinyl, but the shipping keeps me from buying. Post from > the UK is reasonable and quick; faster than USPS. That's hard to figure. > > I agree, dinking records goes against my practice. For those not knowing, > "Dinking", It's when you punch out the center small hole to a large one. > The tool is called a dinking tool. These are sold mostly in the UK and > AU. All 45's in the US have the large hole centers. > > Glen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "leo valk" > To: "helpdesk juukebox" > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:01 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & > theShadows > > > > Hi Glen, > > > > GBP 5.05 in U.S. dollars is probably a bit pricey, but getting brand new > vinyl, that > > has to travel quite a long way, it's not too bad. Most sellers in the U.S. > charge me > > between 7 and 10 dollars to send just one single to Australia. > > > > I bought 4 copies of this Cliff Richard single myself, and have them in > Australia for > > GBP 16.25 As I still have an account in Holland, where I come from, I > ended up paying > > 19 Euros, which I thought was good. > > > > I noticed a price sticker on the (picture)sleeve of GBP 3.99 (item # > 250496422116) > > so the total incl. shipping seemed o.k. to me. Glad to hear you qualify > the English vinyl > > quality superior. I kinow the EMI records in many cases have heaps of > bass, which is > > good on R&R songs. > > > > I'm also interested to see if the single has a large center hole, an > insert, > > or just a small spindle hole. I have a Rockola Starlet, which doesn't > support 33 rpm. > > I have a lot of singles with large center hole which I mostly took from > Holland, but also have > > many singles with small spindle holes. Some I dunked out, but not the more > valuable ones. > > I'd like to convert the turn table to accept smal as well as large hole > singles, as my juke > > doesn't have the 33 rpm option. > > > > regards, Leo > > > > > >> From: kjq45@att.net >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & >> the Shadows / Speaker reconing services? >> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:17:08 -0700 >> >> Leo, The 45 is a bit pricey in US $, but I ordered one because music out >> of >> the UK is usually pretty good. The vinyl quality is superior. It will be >> interesting to see if the center hole has an insert. If so, I will not >> punch it out for my jukebox, as that destroys the value of the record. As >> you probably already know, a small hole center will make a multi speed >> jukebox, play at 33. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "leo valk" >> To: "helpdesk juukebox" >> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:25 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & the >> Shadows / Speaker reconing services? >> >> >> >> >> I posted this before, with the subject "speaker reconing services". I >> realized to late that the news about the vinyl might not reach the in >> vinyl >> interested subscribers who had "enough" of the reconing thread. Sending >> it >> again, I found there is a limit to the size of the mail. So here again, >> without the previous communication on the reconing of the speakers. Sorry >> for the double mail. Don't worry, I'll learn eventually. >> >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> First of all I want to say thanks to Ron and Gary and everyone else who >> complimented me on my English. As stated before, it's not my first >> language, >> but I try my best. >> >> Reading the postings on this list regularly, I know many of us are always >> on >> the look out for (new) vinyl to suit our jukes. There might be some among >> you who are interested in the following. >> >> Today, the 14th of September there is a brand new U.K. 7" 45 rpm vinyl >> release by E.M.I. performed by Cliff Richard & the Shadows. It is >> available >> on eBay for, what seems to me, a reasonable price. Especially as this >> single >> has three songs(see far below for the eBay link/item number). First some >> more details on the single. On the A-side "Singing the blues", a song >> most >> of you know by Guy Mitchel. On the b-side two up-tempo Rock 'n' Roll >> songs >> that were made big by Cliff & the Shadows: "Dancing Shoes" and We say >> yeah". >> >> Probably due to the fact Cliff dindn't want to move to the States, he >> never >> became very succesful there. I know many of the subscribers to this list >> are >> from the U.S., and since Cliff was never as well known as in the rest of >> the >> world, for those subscribers a very short look at his career. >> >> He started out in 1958, influenced by Elvis, to record "Move it". A >> record >> referred to as Brittains first real Rock & Roll record. His backing group >> was the Drifters, who, for obvious reasons, had to change their name when >> they became more well known. From then on it was Cliff Richard & the >> Shadows. Together they produced a large number of great R&R songs, as >> well >> as some fine ballads throughout the late fifties and in the sixties. The >> Shadows were also a guitar combo (Duane Eddy and Ventures style), and >> were >> very succesful themselves. Together with Cliff, but also on their own >> they >> had number one hits. In 1968 Cliff and the Shadows split up to start >> separate carreers which were very succesful. >> >> Cliff had hits througout his carreer until this very day. He had number 1 >> hits in each of the 5 (!) decades since he started in August 1958 and had >> over 150 singles released! I know at least one song, "Devil Woman" was a >> big >> succes in the U.S. as well. >> >> Next week Cliff and the Shadows start a reunion world tour: "Together >> Again". They also recorded a new CD to coincide with the start of the >> tour, >> containing their most famous hits, called: "Reunited". On this CD 3 "new" >> songs more well known to the U.S.: Eddie Cochran's "C'mon Everybody" , >> Frankie Ford's "Sea Cruise" and, the also the mentioned on vinyl released >> "Singing the blues". >> >> Want to read the opinion of an American guy, who didn't know Cliff, after >> he >> first saw him? Have a look on the following link: >> >> Mitch Fialkow "CLIFF RICHARD REVIEW SINCE 1980" >> >> or copy the address in your browser. >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profile/AX4VAYCOIU86X/ref=cm_cr_auth/203-7008901-5651134 >> >> I've done some research on eBay and have found about 6 listings for the >> "Singing the Blues 45". Two of them have the best available price. The >> sellers are juggling a bit with single and postage prices, as usual. I >> have >> bought 4 myself. I'm sure you won't regret buying one. Have a look if you >> like. If you're not interest, just forget about it, but I think it's >> worth >> considering. >> >> >> If you would like to order one copy:Cliff Richard & The Shadows - Singing >> The Blues NEW 7" item number 350251398665 >> >> >> If you would like more then one: Cliff Richard & The Shadows -Singing The >> Blues - New 7" item number: 310167807184 >> >> >> kindest regards, Leo >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here >> http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Take a peek at other people's pay and perks Check out The Great Australian > Pay Check > http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From kjq45 at att.net Mon Sep 14 17:49:40 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Sep 14 17:51:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadows References: <232336.51757.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com><348122.56448.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><153DD0C13DFA486ABC37B90357800539@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: Jukeboxes determine the playing speed by the size of the center hole. The large hole will play at 45 and the small hole at 33. All 33rpm 7" records have a small solid hole, but UK and AU 7" 45's also have a small hole. The hole must be punched (dinked) for play in a jukebox. UK 45's have a pop out center, while AU is a solid center. All US 45's have a large center hole. Most usually, you can find the 7" 33;s on Ebay. Lots of times, there will be two titles on each side. They are a novelty to have, but the quality is not as good as a 45. Juke dealers put these in machines to make more money. The play of a compact EP 7" cost more to play. EP means extended play; more than one song per side. Your question causes me to cronsider creating a page for this on my web site: www.kjq.us.com. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Ralph" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadows > On the topic of holes and speeds, it's my understanding that 33RPMs have > small holes and 45RPMs have large holes. This seems to be how my Wurlitzer > 2600 identifies which speed to play which record at. The reason I mention > this is that I have "U2 - With or without you" on a 45RPM *but* it only > has a small hole, which causes it to play incorrectly at 33RPM! Is this a > fluke or do I have a UK single on my hands ? (I don't have any other > small-hole 45s or any 33s to test with, but normal large-hole 45s play > correctly) > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Pitts" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & > theShadows > > >> For some reason, mail costs to and from Australia is very expensive. I >> seriously like AU vinyl, but the shipping keeps me from buying. Post >> from the UK is reasonable and quick; faster than USPS. That's hard to >> figure. >> >> I agree, dinking records goes against my practice. For those not >> knowing, "Dinking", It's when you punch out the center small hole to a >> large one. The tool is called a dinking tool. These are sold mostly in >> the UK and AU. All 45's in the US have the large hole centers. >> >> Glen >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "leo valk" >> To: "helpdesk juukebox" >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:01 AM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & >> theShadows >> >> >> >> Hi Glen, >> >> >> >> GBP 5.05 in U.S. dollars is probably a bit pricey, but getting brand new >> vinyl, that >> >> has to travel quite a long way, it's not too bad. Most sellers in the >> U.S. charge me >> >> between 7 and 10 dollars to send just one single to Australia. >> >> >> >> I bought 4 copies of this Cliff Richard single myself, and have them in >> Australia for >> >> GBP 16.25 As I still have an account in Holland, where I come from, I >> ended up paying >> >> 19 Euros, which I thought was good. >> >> >> >> I noticed a price sticker on the (picture)sleeve of GBP 3.99 (item # >> 250496422116) >> >> so the total incl. shipping seemed o.k. to me. Glad to hear you qualify >> the English vinyl >> >> quality superior. I kinow the EMI records in many cases have heaps of >> bass, which is >> >> good on R&R songs. >> >> >> >> I'm also interested to see if the single has a large center hole, an >> insert, >> >> or just a small spindle hole. I have a Rockola Starlet, which doesn't >> support 33 rpm. >> >> I have a lot of singles with large center hole which I mostly took from >> Holland, but also have >> >> many singles with small spindle holes. Some I dunked out, but not the >> more valuable ones. >> >> I'd like to convert the turn table to accept smal as well as large hole >> singles, as my juke >> >> doesn't have the 33 rpm option. >> >> >> >> regards, Leo >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: kjq45@att.net >>> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & >>> the Shadows / Speaker reconing services? >>> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:17:08 -0700 >>> >>> Leo, The 45 is a bit pricey in US $, but I ordered one because music out >>> of >>> the UK is usually pretty good. The vinyl quality is superior. It will be >>> interesting to see if the center hole has an insert. If so, I will not >>> punch it out for my jukebox, as that destroys the value of the record. >>> As >>> you probably already know, a small hole center will make a multi speed >>> jukebox, play at 33. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "leo valk" >>> To: "helpdesk juukebox" >>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:25 PM >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & the >>> Shadows / Speaker reconing services? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I posted this before, with the subject "speaker reconing services". I >>> realized to late that the news about the vinyl might not reach the in >>> vinyl >>> interested subscribers who had "enough" of the reconing thread. Sending >>> it >>> again, I found there is a limit to the size of the mail. So here again, >>> without the previous communication on the reconing of the speakers. >>> Sorry >>> for the double mail. Don't worry, I'll learn eventually. >>> >>> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> First of all I want to say thanks to Ron and Gary and everyone else who >>> complimented me on my English. As stated before, it's not my first >>> language, >>> but I try my best. >>> >>> Reading the postings on this list regularly, I know many of us are >>> always on >>> the look out for (new) vinyl to suit our jukes. There might be some >>> among >>> you who are interested in the following. >>> >>> Today, the 14th of September there is a brand new U.K. 7" 45 rpm vinyl >>> release by E.M.I. performed by Cliff Richard & the Shadows. It is >>> available >>> on eBay for, what seems to me, a reasonable price. Especially as this >>> single >>> has three songs(see far below for the eBay link/item number). First some >>> more details on the single. On the A-side "Singing the blues", a song >>> most >>> of you know by Guy Mitchel. On the b-side two up-tempo Rock 'n' Roll >>> songs >>> that were made big by Cliff & the Shadows: "Dancing Shoes" and We say >>> yeah". >>> >>> Probably due to the fact Cliff dindn't want to move to the States, he >>> never >>> became very succesful there. I know many of the subscribers to this list >>> are >>> from the U.S., and since Cliff was never as well known as in the rest of >>> the >>> world, for those subscribers a very short look at his career. >>> >>> He started out in 1958, influenced by Elvis, to record "Move it". A >>> record >>> referred to as Brittains first real Rock & Roll record. His backing >>> group >>> was the Drifters, who, for obvious reasons, had to change their name >>> when >>> they became more well known. From then on it was Cliff Richard & the >>> Shadows. Together they produced a large number of great R&R songs, as >>> well >>> as some fine ballads throughout the late fifties and in the sixties. The >>> Shadows were also a guitar combo (Duane Eddy and Ventures style), and >>> were >>> very succesful themselves. Together with Cliff, but also on their own >>> they >>> had number one hits. In 1968 Cliff and the Shadows split up to start >>> separate carreers which were very succesful. >>> >>> Cliff had hits througout his carreer until this very day. He had number >>> 1 >>> hits in each of the 5 (!) decades since he started in August 1958 and >>> had >>> over 150 singles released! I know at least one song, "Devil Woman" was a >>> big >>> succes in the U.S. as well. >>> >>> Next week Cliff and the Shadows start a reunion world tour: "Together >>> Again". They also recorded a new CD to coincide with the start of the >>> tour, >>> containing their most famous hits, called: "Reunited". On this CD 3 >>> "new" >>> songs more well known to the U.S.: Eddie Cochran's "C'mon Everybody" , >>> Frankie Ford's "Sea Cruise" and, the also the mentioned on vinyl >>> released >>> "Singing the blues". >>> >>> Want to read the opinion of an American guy, who didn't know Cliff, >>> after he >>> first saw him? Have a look on the following link: >>> >>> Mitch Fialkow "CLIFF RICHARD REVIEW SINCE 1980" >>> >>> or copy the address in your browser. >>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profile/AX4VAYCOIU86X/ref=cm_cr_auth/203-7008901-5651134 >>> >>> I've done some research on eBay and have found about 6 listings for the >>> "Singing the Blues 45". Two of them have the best available price. The >>> sellers are juggling a bit with single and postage prices, as usual. I >>> have >>> bought 4 myself. I'm sure you won't regret buying one. Have a look if >>> you >>> like. If you're not interest, just forget about it, but I think it's >>> worth >>> considering. >>> >>> >>> If you would like to order one copy:Cliff Richard & The Shadows - >>> Singing >>> The Blues NEW 7" item number 350251398665 >>> >>> >>> If you would like more then one: Cliff Richard & The Shadows -Singing >>> The >>> Blues - New 7" item number: 310167807184 >>> >>> >>> kindest regards, Leo >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here >>> http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706_______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Take a peek at other people's pay and perks Check out The Great >> Australian Pay Check >> http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Sep 14 18:45:54 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Sep 14 18:47:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadows In-Reply-To: References: <232336.51757.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com><348122.56448.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><153DD0C13DFA486ABC37B90357800539@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <64C76E6605DF4313B1FEF1F9931AB497@CHRISLAPTOP> How do they charge more for EP? I thought all jukes were priced per play (5c), per 3 plays (10c), or per 10 plays (top tunes button) ? Btw, if I do get a top tunes unit for my 2600, I guess that would mean hunting down a US 50c coin also ? (this only worked with a half-dollar right? not 2x 25c ?) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Pitts" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadows > Jukeboxes determine the playing speed by the size of the center hole. The > large hole will play at 45 and the small hole at 33. All 33rpm 7" records > have a small solid hole, but UK and AU 7" 45's also have a small hole. > The hole must be punched (dinked) for play in a jukebox. UK 45's have a > pop out center, while AU is a solid center. All US 45's have a large > center hole. Most usually, you can find the 7" 33;s on Ebay. Lots of > times, there will be two titles on each side. They are a novelty to have, > but the quality is not as good as a 45. Juke dealers put these in > machines to make more money. The play of a compact EP 7" cost more to > play. EP means extended play; more than one song per side. Your question > causes me to cronsider creating a page for this on my web site: > www.kjq.us.com. Glen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Ralph" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard > &theShadows > > >> On the topic of holes and speeds, it's my understanding that 33RPMs have >> small holes and 45RPMs have large holes. This seems to be how my >> Wurlitzer 2600 identifies which speed to play which record at. The >> reason I mention this is that I have "U2 - With or without you" on a >> 45RPM *but* it only has a small hole, which causes it to play incorrectly >> at 33RPM! Is this a fluke or do I have a UK single on my hands ? (I >> don't have any other small-hole 45s or any 33s to test with, but normal >> large-hole 45s play correctly) >> >> Chris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Glen Pitts" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & >> theShadows >> >> >>> For some reason, mail costs to and from Australia is very expensive. I >>> seriously like AU vinyl, but the shipping keeps me from buying. Post >>> from the UK is reasonable and quick; faster than USPS. That's hard to >>> figure. >>> >>> I agree, dinking records goes against my practice. For those not >>> knowing, "Dinking", It's when you punch out the center small hole to a >>> large one. The tool is called a dinking tool. These are sold mostly in >>> the UK and AU. All 45's in the US have the large hole centers. >>> >>> Glen >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "leo valk" >>> To: "helpdesk juukebox" >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:01 AM >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & >>> theShadows >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Glen, >>> >>> >>> >>> GBP 5.05 in U.S. dollars is probably a bit pricey, but getting brand new >>> vinyl, that >>> >>> has to travel quite a long way, it's not too bad. Most sellers in the >>> U.S. charge me >>> >>> between 7 and 10 dollars to send just one single to Australia. >>> >>> >>> >>> I bought 4 copies of this Cliff Richard single myself, and have them in >>> Australia for >>> >>> GBP 16.25 As I still have an account in Holland, where I come from, I >>> ended up paying >>> >>> 19 Euros, which I thought was good. >>> >>> >>> >>> I noticed a price sticker on the (picture)sleeve of GBP 3.99 (item # >>> 250496422116) >>> >>> so the total incl. shipping seemed o.k. to me. Glad to hear you qualify >>> the English vinyl >>> >>> quality superior. I kinow the EMI records in many cases have heaps of >>> bass, which is >>> >>> good on R&R songs. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm also interested to see if the single has a large center hole, an >>> insert, >>> >>> or just a small spindle hole. I have a Rockola Starlet, which doesn't >>> support 33 rpm. >>> >>> I have a lot of singles with large center hole which I mostly took from >>> Holland, but also have >>> >>> many singles with small spindle holes. Some I dunked out, but not the >>> more valuable ones. >>> >>> I'd like to convert the turn table to accept smal as well as large hole >>> singles, as my juke >>> >>> doesn't have the 33 rpm option. >>> >>> >>> >>> regards, Leo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: kjq45@att.net >>>> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & >>>> the Shadows / Speaker reconing services? >>>> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:17:08 -0700 >>>> >>>> Leo, The 45 is a bit pricey in US $, but I ordered one because music >>>> out of >>>> the UK is usually pretty good. The vinyl quality is superior. It will >>>> be >>>> interesting to see if the center hole has an insert. If so, I will not >>>> punch it out for my jukebox, as that destroys the value of the record. >>>> As >>>> you probably already know, a small hole center will make a multi speed >>>> jukebox, play at 33. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "leo valk" >>>> To: "helpdesk juukebox" >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:25 PM >>>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & the >>>> Shadows / Speaker reconing services? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I posted this before, with the subject "speaker reconing services". I >>>> realized to late that the news about the vinyl might not reach the in >>>> vinyl >>>> interested subscribers who had "enough" of the reconing thread. Sending >>>> it >>>> again, I found there is a limit to the size of the mail. So here again, >>>> without the previous communication on the reconing of the speakers. >>>> Sorry >>>> for the double mail. Don't worry, I'll learn eventually. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Guys, >>>> >>>> First of all I want to say thanks to Ron and Gary and everyone else who >>>> complimented me on my English. As stated before, it's not my first >>>> language, >>>> but I try my best. >>>> >>>> Reading the postings on this list regularly, I know many of us are >>>> always on >>>> the look out for (new) vinyl to suit our jukes. There might be some >>>> among >>>> you who are interested in the following. >>>> >>>> Today, the 14th of September there is a brand new U.K. 7" 45 rpm vinyl >>>> release by E.M.I. performed by Cliff Richard & the Shadows. It is >>>> available >>>> on eBay for, what seems to me, a reasonable price. Especially as this >>>> single >>>> has three songs(see far below for the eBay link/item number). First >>>> some >>>> more details on the single. On the A-side "Singing the blues", a song >>>> most >>>> of you know by Guy Mitchel. On the b-side two up-tempo Rock 'n' Roll >>>> songs >>>> that were made big by Cliff & the Shadows: "Dancing Shoes" and We say >>>> yeah". >>>> >>>> Probably due to the fact Cliff dindn't want to move to the States, he >>>> never >>>> became very succesful there. I know many of the subscribers to this >>>> list are >>>> from the U.S., and since Cliff was never as well known as in the rest >>>> of the >>>> world, for those subscribers a very short look at his career. >>>> >>>> He started out in 1958, influenced by Elvis, to record "Move it". A >>>> record >>>> referred to as Brittains first real Rock & Roll record. His backing >>>> group >>>> was the Drifters, who, for obvious reasons, had to change their name >>>> when >>>> they became more well known. From then on it was Cliff Richard & the >>>> Shadows. Together they produced a large number of great R&R songs, as >>>> well >>>> as some fine ballads throughout the late fifties and in the sixties. >>>> The >>>> Shadows were also a guitar combo (Duane Eddy and Ventures style), and >>>> were >>>> very succesful themselves. Together with Cliff, but also on their own >>>> they >>>> had number one hits. In 1968 Cliff and the Shadows split up to start >>>> separate carreers which were very succesful. >>>> >>>> Cliff had hits througout his carreer until this very day. He had number >>>> 1 >>>> hits in each of the 5 (!) decades since he started in August 1958 and >>>> had >>>> over 150 singles released! I know at least one song, "Devil Woman" was >>>> a big >>>> succes in the U.S. as well. >>>> >>>> Next week Cliff and the Shadows start a reunion world tour: "Together >>>> Again". They also recorded a new CD to coincide with the start of the >>>> tour, >>>> containing their most famous hits, called: "Reunited". On this CD 3 >>>> "new" >>>> songs more well known to the U.S.: Eddie Cochran's "C'mon Everybody" , >>>> Frankie Ford's "Sea Cruise" and, the also the mentioned on vinyl >>>> released >>>> "Singing the blues". >>>> >>>> Want to read the opinion of an American guy, who didn't know Cliff, >>>> after he >>>> first saw him? Have a look on the following link: >>>> >>>> Mitch Fialkow "CLIFF RICHARD REVIEW SINCE 1980" >>>> >>>> or copy the address in your browser. >>>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profile/AX4VAYCOIU86X/ref=cm_cr_auth/203-7008901-5651134 >>>> >>>> I've done some research on eBay and have found about 6 listings for the >>>> "Singing the Blues 45". Two of them have the best available price. The >>>> sellers are juggling a bit with single and postage prices, as usual. I >>>> have >>>> bought 4 myself. I'm sure you won't regret buying one. Have a look if >>>> you >>>> like. If you're not interest, just forget about it, but I think it's >>>> worth >>>> considering. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you would like to order one copy:Cliff Richard & The Shadows - >>>> Singing >>>> The Blues NEW 7" item number 350251398665 >>>> >>>> >>>> If you would like more then one: Cliff Richard & The Shadows -Singing >>>> The >>>> Blues - New 7" item number: 310167807184 >>>> >>>> >>>> kindest regards, Leo >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here >>>> http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706_______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Take a peek at other people's pay and perks Check out The Great >>> Australian Pay Check >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/_______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Mon Sep 14 18:46:31 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Mon Sep 14 18:48:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 1 Message-ID: I am restoring another Continental. With my restorations I replate all the internal metal. I am working on the mech. which has been reassembled and have it playing. My problem is the latch switch does not unlatch the buttons. The correct sequence of this switch is. Power on switch open. Credit established switch opens. Closes and reopens as credit is subtracted releasing the latch solenoid for a split second between selections. When all credit is removed it opens until more credit is added. With my latch switch, power on switch open. Opens with credit and pulls in the latch solenoid. When selections are made buttons latch, but does not release the latch solenoid for a split second as it should. The switch stays open and will not close until all selections have been played At times it slows the carousel motor. It also blows the right hand side 2 amp slow blow fuse at times when the record is playing and will not allow the reject switch to operate. The fuse blowing is intermittent. I have replaced the capacitor to the relay. Capacitors have been replaced in the search unit. I have swapped out this whole unit with a known good one and it works correctly. Could it be either the 7 watt or 20 watt resisters. My understanding of electronics is basic. I can stumble through but need guidance. Graeme Harvey From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 14 19:21:12 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 14 19:25:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadow s Message-ID: <20090914.222112.29571.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Chris: Your W2600 should be equipped with a dual-pricing unit. This device is called the playrack, which should be mounted on the lower left sidewall of the cabinet as you face the rear of the machine. This chassis counts up the coins deposited, issues play credits, and counts them down as selections are written in. The juke operator can set up the price per play for both singles and album sides, using the markers on the 2 circular brass indicators in the playrack. In the US when these machines were current, the going price was 10 cents for a single play, usually 3 singles for 25 cents. For album play, to play one "Little LP" side (usually 3 songs) the cost was 25 cents. 50 cent coins were more common at this time. The playrack could count coin deposits up to $1 total. Certain record slots (I believe it was the A and B selections) were switched aside to collect the higher price for album play. The juke could easily be setup for all singles operation,if that's what you wanted. The bigger vs smaller size hole in the record does trigger the speed change function. If you're not concerned about depositing coins in your juke, you can intermix 45/33 rpm records in the carousel however you wish. I've seen some European-issue 45's with small center-holes that cannot play on these dual/speed jukes. Seeburg jukes of the mid 60's worked differently. For a customer to play an album, it was necessary to deposit 50 cents, where the machine would play both the A and B sides of the album. You couldn't play just one side. Maybe this is where you came up with the 50 cent idea. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ344nsnhIaVECpVFoc87XyqDLXO5wnhZvPrfgF1iOXPI5DQRDVrK/ From kjq45 at att.net Mon Sep 14 19:28:26 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Sep 14 19:29:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows References: <232336.51757.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com><348122.56448.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><153DD0C13DFA486ABC37B90357800539@D41XWQ61> <64C76E6605DF4313B1FEF1F9931AB497@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <0A634ABB8E644774BC9CF9F868FDB3E9@D41XWQ61> The 33 EP came later, as did the machines that would accept a larger coin. I remember having a Seeburg with that option. Yes, it had a 50c option. Maybe two quarters would work. Slug rejecter switches could count coins. Ok Chris, I created a section for the small hole records on my web site www.kjq.us.com. Click on the "Vinyl" tab and go to the bottom of the page. I found a 7" 33 EP with a radio commercial on it and you can hear it on the web site. Have fun. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Ralph" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows > How do they charge more for EP? I thought all jukes were priced per play > (5c), per 3 plays (10c), or per 10 plays (top tunes button) ? > > Btw, if I do get a top tunes unit for my 2600, I guess that would mean > hunting down a US 50c coin also ? (this only worked with a half-dollar > right? not 2x 25c ?) > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Pitts" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard > &theShadows > > >> Jukeboxes determine the playing speed by the size of the center hole. >> The large hole will play at 45 and the small hole at 33. All 33rpm 7" >> records have a small solid hole, but UK and AU 7" 45's also have a small >> hole. The hole must be punched (dinked) for play in a jukebox. UK 45's >> have a pop out center, while AU is a solid center. All US 45's have a >> large center hole. Most usually, you can find the 7" 33;s on Ebay. Lots >> of times, there will be two titles on each side. They are a novelty to >> have, but the quality is not as good as a 45. Juke dealers put these in >> machines to make more money. The play of a compact EP 7" cost more to >> play. EP means extended play; more than one song per side. Your >> question causes me to cronsider creating a page for this on my web site: >> www.kjq.us.com. Glen >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Ralph" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 5:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard >> &theShadows >> >> >>> On the topic of holes and speeds, it's my understanding that 33RPMs have >>> small holes and 45RPMs have large holes. This seems to be how my >>> Wurlitzer 2600 identifies which speed to play which record at. The >>> reason I mention this is that I have "U2 - With or without you" on a >>> 45RPM *but* it only has a small hole, which causes it to play >>> incorrectly at 33RPM! Is this a fluke or do I have a UK single on my >>> hands ? (I don't have any other small-hole 45s or any 33s to test with, >>> but normal large-hole 45s play correctly) >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Glen Pitts" >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:04 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & >>> theShadows >>> >>> >>>> For some reason, mail costs to and from Australia is very expensive. I >>>> seriously like AU vinyl, but the shipping keeps me from buying. Post >>>> from the UK is reasonable and quick; faster than USPS. That's hard to >>>> figure. >>>> >>>> I agree, dinking records goes against my practice. For those not >>>> knowing, "Dinking", It's when you punch out the center small hole to a >>>> large one. The tool is called a dinking tool. These are sold mostly in >>>> the UK and AU. All 45's in the US have the large hole centers. >>>> >>>> Glen >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "leo valk" >>>> To: "helpdesk juukebox" >>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:01 AM >>>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & >>>> theShadows >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Glen, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> GBP 5.05 in U.S. dollars is probably a bit pricey, but getting brand >>>> new vinyl, that >>>> >>>> has to travel quite a long way, it's not too bad. Most sellers in the >>>> U.S. charge me >>>> >>>> between 7 and 10 dollars to send just one single to Australia. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I bought 4 copies of this Cliff Richard single myself, and have them in >>>> Australia for >>>> >>>> GBP 16.25 As I still have an account in Holland, where I come from, I >>>> ended up paying >>>> >>>> 19 Euros, which I thought was good. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I noticed a price sticker on the (picture)sleeve of GBP 3.99 (item # >>>> 250496422116) >>>> >>>> so the total incl. shipping seemed o.k. to me. Glad to hear you qualify >>>> the English vinyl >>>> >>>> quality superior. I kinow the EMI records in many cases have heaps of >>>> bass, which is >>>> >>>> good on R&R songs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm also interested to see if the single has a large center hole, an >>>> insert, >>>> >>>> or just a small spindle hole. I have a Rockola Starlet, which doesn't >>>> support 33 rpm. >>>> >>>> I have a lot of singles with large center hole which I mostly took from >>>> Holland, but also have >>>> >>>> many singles with small spindle holes. Some I dunked out, but not the >>>> more valuable ones. >>>> >>>> I'd like to convert the turn table to accept smal as well as large hole >>>> singles, as my juke >>>> >>>> doesn't have the 33 rpm option. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> regards, Leo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: kjq45@att.net >>>>> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & >>>>> the Shadows / Speaker reconing services? >>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:17:08 -0700 >>>>> >>>>> Leo, The 45 is a bit pricey in US $, but I ordered one because music >>>>> out of >>>>> the UK is usually pretty good. The vinyl quality is superior. It will >>>>> be >>>>> interesting to see if the center hole has an insert. If so, I will not >>>>> punch it out for my jukebox, as that destroys the value of the record. >>>>> As >>>>> you probably already know, a small hole center will make a multi speed >>>>> jukebox, play at 33. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "leo valk" >>>>> To: "helpdesk juukebox" >>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:25 PM >>>>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard & the >>>>> Shadows / Speaker reconing services? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I posted this before, with the subject "speaker reconing services". I >>>>> realized to late that the news about the vinyl might not reach the in >>>>> vinyl >>>>> interested subscribers who had "enough" of the reconing thread. >>>>> Sending it >>>>> again, I found there is a limit to the size of the mail. So here >>>>> again, >>>>> without the previous communication on the reconing of the speakers. >>>>> Sorry >>>>> for the double mail. Don't worry, I'll learn eventually. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>> >>>>> First of all I want to say thanks to Ron and Gary and everyone else >>>>> who >>>>> complimented me on my English. As stated before, it's not my first >>>>> language, >>>>> but I try my best. >>>>> >>>>> Reading the postings on this list regularly, I know many of us are >>>>> always on >>>>> the look out for (new) vinyl to suit our jukes. There might be some >>>>> among >>>>> you who are interested in the following. >>>>> >>>>> Today, the 14th of September there is a brand new U.K. 7" 45 rpm vinyl >>>>> release by E.M.I. performed by Cliff Richard & the Shadows. It is >>>>> available >>>>> on eBay for, what seems to me, a reasonable price. Especially as this >>>>> single >>>>> has three songs(see far below for the eBay link/item number). First >>>>> some >>>>> more details on the single. On the A-side "Singing the blues", a song >>>>> most >>>>> of you know by Guy Mitchel. On the b-side two up-tempo Rock 'n' Roll >>>>> songs >>>>> that were made big by Cliff & the Shadows: "Dancing Shoes" and We say >>>>> yeah". >>>>> >>>>> Probably due to the fact Cliff dindn't want to move to the States, he >>>>> never >>>>> became very succesful there. I know many of the subscribers to this >>>>> list are >>>>> from the U.S., and since Cliff was never as well known as in the rest >>>>> of the >>>>> world, for those subscribers a very short look at his career. >>>>> >>>>> He started out in 1958, influenced by Elvis, to record "Move it". A >>>>> record >>>>> referred to as Brittains first real Rock & Roll record. His backing >>>>> group >>>>> was the Drifters, who, for obvious reasons, had to change their name >>>>> when >>>>> they became more well known. From then on it was Cliff Richard & the >>>>> Shadows. Together they produced a large number of great R&R songs, as >>>>> well >>>>> as some fine ballads throughout the late fifties and in the sixties. >>>>> The >>>>> Shadows were also a guitar combo (Duane Eddy and Ventures style), and >>>>> were >>>>> very succesful themselves. Together with Cliff, but also on their own >>>>> they >>>>> had number one hits. In 1968 Cliff and the Shadows split up to start >>>>> separate carreers which were very succesful. >>>>> >>>>> Cliff had hits througout his carreer until this very day. He had >>>>> number 1 >>>>> hits in each of the 5 (!) decades since he started in August 1958 and >>>>> had >>>>> over 150 singles released! I know at least one song, "Devil Woman" was >>>>> a big >>>>> succes in the U.S. as well. >>>>> >>>>> Next week Cliff and the Shadows start a reunion world tour: "Together >>>>> Again". They also recorded a new CD to coincide with the start of the >>>>> tour, >>>>> containing their most famous hits, called: "Reunited". On this CD 3 >>>>> "new" >>>>> songs more well known to the U.S.: Eddie Cochran's "C'mon Everybody" , >>>>> Frankie Ford's "Sea Cruise" and, the also the mentioned on vinyl >>>>> released >>>>> "Singing the blues". >>>>> >>>>> Want to read the opinion of an American guy, who didn't know Cliff, >>>>> after he >>>>> first saw him? Have a look on the following link: >>>>> >>>>> Mitch Fialkow "CLIFF RICHARD REVIEW SINCE 1980" >>>>> >>>>> or copy the address in your browser. >>>>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profile/AX4VAYCOIU86X/ref=cm_cr_auth/203-7008901-5651134 >>>>> >>>>> I've done some research on eBay and have found about 6 listings for >>>>> the >>>>> "Singing the Blues 45". Two of them have the best available price. The >>>>> sellers are juggling a bit with single and postage prices, as usual. I >>>>> have >>>>> bought 4 myself. I'm sure you won't regret buying one. Have a look if >>>>> you >>>>> like. If you're not interest, just forget about it, but I think it's >>>>> worth >>>>> considering. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you would like to order one copy:Cliff Richard & The Shadows - >>>>> Singing >>>>> The Blues NEW 7" item number 350251398665 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you would like more then one: Cliff Richard & The Shadows -Singing >>>>> The >>>>> Blues - New 7" item number: 310167807184 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> kindest regards, Leo >>>>> >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here >>>>> http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706_______________________________________________ >>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Take a peek at other people's pay and perks Check out The Great >>>> Australian Pay Check >>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/_______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Mon Sep 14 19:31:44 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Sep 14 19:33:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadows References: <20090914.222112.29571.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Jim - You explained that very well. I learned something from it too. Thanks. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadows Chris: Your W2600 should be equipped with a dual-pricing unit. This device is called the playrack, which should be mounted on the lower left sidewall of the cabinet as you face the rear of the machine. This chassis counts up the coins deposited, issues play credits, and counts them down as selections are written in. The juke operator can set up the price per play for both singles and album sides, using the markers on the 2 circular brass indicators in the playrack. In the US when these machines were current, the going price was 10 cents for a single play, usually 3 singles for 25 cents. For album play, to play one "Little LP" side (usually 3 songs) the cost was 25 cents. 50 cent coins were more common at this time. The playrack could count coin deposits up to $1 total. Certain record slots (I believe it was the A and B selections) were switched aside to collect the higher price for album play. The juke could easily be setup for all singles operation,if that's what you wanted. The bigger vs smaller size hole in the record does trigger the speed change function. If you're not concerned about depositing coins in your juke, you can intermix 45/33 rpm records in the carousel however you wish. I've seen some European-issue 45's with small center-holes that cannot play on these dual/speed jukes. Seeburg jukes of the mid 60's worked differently. For a customer to play an album, it was necessary to deposit 50 cents, where the machine would play both the A and B sides of the album. You couldn't play just one side. Maybe this is where you came up with the 50 cent idea. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ344nsnhIaVECpVFoc87XyqDLXO5wnhZvPrfgF1iOXPI5DQRDVrK/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 14 19:36:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 14 19:38:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1953 Seeburg M100W plays previous selections someti mes In-Reply-To: <004d01ca3597$5b60ba00$12222e00$@net> Message-ID: <813204.52805.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> "Adjusting" should be the last resort--Seeburgs normally need no adjusting, unless a part is replaced--even then, most likely not--they do need to be clean, and oiled properly, however--Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Andy Brescia wrote: From: Andy Brescia Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] 1953 Seeburg M100W plays previous selections someti mes To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 4:59 PM Thanks for the fast responses and giving me a detailed direction to take. Transport went well and the box was always upright but bringing it up a few steps could have jostled it. My understanding is that it has been 5 years since the last servicing so hopefully cleaning and adjusting is what is needed. Being a pinball repair hobbyist I had convinced myself I could tackle jukeboxes as a small step up ! Ah , sweet over confidence !! I see there is a lot to learn and much more complex mechanics than an average EM pinball, but I am looking forward to it . -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:03 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1953 Seeburg M100W plays previous selections someti mes Hello.? Welcome to the group.???Thee is a selector pin bank at the rear base of the record rack on Seeburg 100-W.? There are 100 selector pin relays, one for each selection.???When you write in a selection the pins are tripped, whenever 1 or more pins are tripped, a "search" contact is closed and the mechanism will scan looking for all selections to be played. At the time a selected record is loaded into the mechanism, a switch closure is made to a cancel solenoid, located on the black color contact block that scans over the pin bank.? The switch closure is generated by the stack switch on the front of the mechanism. You will need to remove the mech cover to get access to this.? ? ? The cancel solenoid,if operating intermittently is causing un-cancelled pins to be played again on the next scan cycle. Common problems that cause the cancel solenoid to intermittently fail? are a. dirty dusty switch contacts? and b.???dirty, jammed or mis-positioned cancel solenoid.???Take care when coming into contact with the stack switch. The 110V line voltage is present here. Along the same lines, when the mech is playing the last selected song in a sequence, the mech motor is kept turned on via other contacts in the stacking switch.???The switch contacts are? opened as the last record is rolled out of the mech back into the rack.? It is fairly common and doesn't cause a problem for the system if the record is stopped in mid-cycle. Proper cleaning/spacing of the contacts and correct mech lubrication will usually let most of the rollout cycle take place as the mech shuts off and stops.? Techniques for adjusting, cleaning switch contacts and cleaning/oiling of the mech (important!) are shown in your service manual. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander? ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrD3h03md5OM3yoMdWDEQ KFSFQcdLcaWH0tzOj82vaHN2O6vYyc/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Mon Sep 14 19:46:49 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Sep 14 19:48:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking Tool For Jukes Message-ID: <03D9F99E51FA42C1A3E72F717BD5CE98@D41XWQ61> If you would like to see a dinking tool for punching out a 45 hole, I have put a picture of one on my web site on the "Vinyl" tab. www.kjq.us.com From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Mon Sep 14 19:49:41 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Mon Sep 14 19:51:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 1 References: Message-ID: <390E61A7DFAA4CF78676FA8E4D163FD9@Graeme> Correction to my last post When credit is established should read switch closed. Sorry for the mistake. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Harvey" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 1 I am restoring another Continental. With my restorations I replate all the internal metal. I am working on the mech. which has been reassembled and have it playing. My problem is the latch switch does not unlatch the buttons. The correct sequence of this switch is. Power on switch open. Credit established switch opens. Closes and reopens as credit is subtracted releasing the latch solenoid for a split second between selections. When all credit is removed it opens until more credit is added. With my latch switch, power on switch open. Opens with credit and pulls in the latch solenoid. When selections are made buttons latch, but does not release the latch solenoid for a split second as it should. The switch stays open and will not close until all selections have been played At times it slows the carousel motor. It also blows the right hand side 2 amp slow blow fuse at times when the record is playing and will not allow the reject switch to operate. The fuse blowing is intermittent. I have replaced the capacitor to the relay. Capacitors have been replaced in the search unit. I have swapped out this whole unit with a known good one and it works correctly. Could it be either the 7 watt or 20 watt resisters. My understanding of electronics is basic. I can stumble through but need guidance. Graeme Harvey _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Sep 14 20:03:42 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Sep 14 20:05:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadow s In-Reply-To: <20090914.222112.29571.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090914.222112.29571.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <38E9B9200AE84B7797732E1956B496E2@CHRISLAPTOP> I'm familliar with the playrak and the adjustable pricing, but my question was more "how does the jukebox know to charge a different price for certain records?". You said certain slots are reserved for album play - that sounds a lot like the Wurlitzer "top tunes", which plays 10 selections one after the other from a certain location (if they press the top tunes button - else it just counts down credits/selections as normal). I'm guessing this starts at A1 and plays 5 records, both A & B sides ? This was definately 50c "Ten Top Tunes For a Half Dollar" (http://www.jukebox.nl/gallery/wurlitzer/wurlitzer_2600.html), but I wasn't sure if this meant the customer must insert a 50c coin, or if it just mean any combination of coins that adds up to 50c. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadow s Chris: Your W2600 should be equipped with a dual-pricing unit. This device is called the playrack, which should be mounted on the lower left sidewall of the cabinet as you face the rear of the machine. This chassis counts up the coins deposited, issues play credits, and counts them down as selections are written in. The juke operator can set up the price per play for both singles and album sides, using the markers on the 2 circular brass indicators in the playrack. In the US when these machines were current, the going price was 10 cents for a single play, usually 3 singles for 25 cents. For album play, to play one "Little LP" side (usually 3 songs) the cost was 25 cents. 50 cent coins were more common at this time. The playrack could count coin deposits up to $1 total. Certain record slots (I believe it was the A and B selections) were switched aside to collect the higher price for album play. The juke could easily be setup for all singles operation,if that's what you wanted. The bigger vs smaller size hole in the record does trigger the speed change function. If you're not concerned about depositing coins in your juke, you can intermix 45/33 rpm records in the carousel however you wish. I've seen some European-issue 45's with small center-holes that cannot play on these dual/speed jukes. Seeburg jukes of the mid 60's worked differently. For a customer to play an album, it was necessary to deposit 50 cents, where the machine would play both the A and B sides of the album. You couldn't play just one side. Maybe this is where you came up with the 50 cent idea. 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I don't know if it netted the operators a bigger coinbox take or not. The other companies all offered their own version on album play but didn't push it like Seeburg. A lot of the major record labels,but not all issued 7" versions of their top LP's, usually with 6 songs. For jukeboxes, this format offered a way for "new" singer/songwriters to get their longer-length songs on the jukebox. (Bob Dylan,Neil Young and Arlo Guthrie come to mind) These artists were recording tunes that were too lengthy to be recorded on one side of a 45 RPM. The 8 to 10 minute songs would fit on a Little LP side. Some of the record labels chose to edit long-playing songs down to 4 min. or less to fit on 45. Another approach was to split long songs to be on Side 1 and Side 2 of a 45. As I recall, these approaches weren't popular with singles record buyers. A new tech tool was used by record makers. A variable pitch recording lathe was used in the late 60's to cut and press long playing 45 RPM records. It was possible to record (at soft volume level) up to to 8 minutes on a 45 disc. (remember Hey Jude and MacArthur Park?) By the time the 70's came around, these 33 RPM records fell out of favor with juke operators. Most stopped displaying them, going back to a full menu of 45 singles. If you bought a new 70's model Seeburg juke, you had the extra-cost option of buying the auto-speed electronics, which enabled 33 RPM operation. The jukes retained the dual pricing capability as standard equipment. This is a contrast to to the 60's Seeburgs (LPC-1, etc) that operated at a standard 33 RPM and required the auto-speed (supplied as standard equipment) to enable 45 play. Wurlitzer, RockOla, and Rowe all dropped the dual/speed 45/33 RPM function at various times in the late 70's. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Cheap Diet Help Tips. 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The first version came only pre-priced at "dime play", for singles, and were in-jun-eered to make it VERY difficult to change pricing. Due to pressure, they came out about mid year with what they called a DCU-5L6. They was pre-set at a nickel play. The "dual" portions were for EP (NOT album) play. A DCU-1 was set at 15 cents per EP play, and the DCU-5 at 10 cents per EP play.? Later versions were called "DPU's"(Pricing), rather than DCU's. Seeburg's LPC-1 was the first phono to offer "Little (7") Albums". As they came from the plant, they required 50 cents, either 10 nickels, 5 dimes, two quarters, or one half-dollar, or any combination of the above, to play both sides of an album. They, unlike previous Seeburgs, were programmeable to play both sides ( left and right) of ANY, or all group(s) of ten or more records for the higher price. They also were programmable to play HALF (one side or the other) for 25 cents--or for that mater, many different prices---Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/14/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadow s To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 7:21 PM Chris: Your W2600 should be equipped with a dual-pricing unit.? This device is called the playrack, which should be mounted on the lower left sidewall of the cabinet as you face the rear of the machine.? This chassis counts up the coins deposited, issues play credits, and counts them down as selections are written in.? The juke operator can set up the price per play for both singles and album sides, using the markers on the 2 circular brass indicators in the playrack.? ???In the US when these machines were current, the going price was 10 cents for a single play, usually 3 singles for 25 cents.???For album play, to play one "Little LP" side? (usually 3 songs) the cost was 25 cents.???50 cent coins were more common at this time.? The playrack could count coin deposits up to $1? total.???Certain record slots (I believe it was the A and B selections) were switched aside to collect the higher price for album play.? The juke could easily be setup for all singles operation,if that's what you wanted.? The bigger vs smaller size hole in the record does trigger the speed change function.???If you're not concerned about depositing coins in your juke, you can intermix 45/33 rpm records in the carousel however you wish.? I've seen some European-issue 45's with small center-holes that cannot play on these dual/speed jukes. Seeburg jukes of the mid 60's worked differently. For a customer to play an album, it was necessary to deposit 50 cents, where the machine would play both the A and B sides of the album. You couldn't play just one side.???Maybe this is where you came up with the 50 cent idea.? 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In my collection, there aren't many with big hits on them. They were new groups and groups promoting their new releases. One in particular that's pretty good is Mungo Jerry's "In The Summertime" and "Mighty Man", both on side A. On the 45, these titles were the A and B titles. You will find popular song titles on import EP's. The Mungo Jerry is an AU release. If you really want to get classy, try the re-issue 78's. Those will blow your high fidelity mind, in stereo. As an added note, you will sometimes see the Seeburg background music records. Those have a center hole, larger than the 45. I believe they played at 16 rpm, or some uncommon speed. (Elevator Music) ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadows Glen: As I remember it, the "little LP's" were a big marketing tool for a lot of juke manufacturers and operators in the 60's. Seeburg built a specific juke (the LPC-1 and several models afterward) that were intended to showcase the LP's and downplay the presence of 45 singles. I don't know if it netted the operators a bigger coinbox take or not. The other companies all offered their own version on album play but didn't push it like Seeburg. A lot of the major record labels,but not all issued 7" versions of their top LP's, usually with 6 songs. For jukeboxes, this format offered a way for "new" singer/songwriters to get their longer-length songs on the jukebox. (Bob Dylan,Neil Young and Arlo Guthrie come to mind) These artists were recording tunes that were too lengthy to be recorded on one side of a 45 RPM. The 8 to 10 minute songs would fit on a Little LP side. Some of the record labels chose to edit long-playing songs down to 4 min. or less to fit on 45. Another approach was to split long songs to be on Side 1 and Side 2 of a 45. As I recall, these approaches weren't popular with singles record buyers. A new tech tool was used by record makers. A variable pitch recording lathe was used in the late 60's to cut and press long playing 45 RPM records. It was possible to record (at soft volume level) up to to 8 minutes on a 45 disc. (remember Hey Jude and MacArthur Park?) By the time the 70's came around, these 33 RPM records fell out of favor with juke operators. Most stopped displaying them, going back to a full menu of 45 singles. If you bought a new 70's model Seeburg juke, you had the extra-cost option of buying the auto-speed electronics, which enabled 33 RPM operation. The jukes retained the dual pricing capability as standard equipment. This is a contrast to to the 60's Seeburgs (LPC-1, etc) that operated at a standard 33 RPM and required the auto-speed (supplied as standard equipment) to enable 45 play. Wurlitzer, RockOla, and Rowe all dropped the dual/speed 45/33 RPM function at various times in the late 70's. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZnARAb9yle9u7jOpyhvQTXsRQDDMKfj2zpXULAufcrfHdOJET4Gk/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 14 20:40:48 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 14 20:44:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadow s Message-ID: <20090914.234048.4874.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Chris: On 60's Wurlitzer jukes certain selection slots are set aside for dual pricing use. There should be a set of slide switches on the inside of the keyboard to enable/disable this function. On the 2600 I believe that all letter A (A-1 thru A-0,etc) and B slots could be set up for album use at the higher price. the "installation/setup" section of your service manual it should tell you how to set up this operation. The playrack can count nickels, dimes, quarters and 50 cent pieces and add up their value up to $1 max. Some of the later playrak units (in case yours is not original) could count up to $2 max. If you played a higher priced LP selection, the credit unit would take off a 25 cent credit. Play both sides, it cost you 50 cents. If you played a single it should take off 10 cents. I would imagine your machine is set up to use Canadian coins. Some early 60's jukes had a feature called the "top tunes Golden Bar" Here, a preset package of "most popular" single songs could be played for one price (usually 50 cents) by pressing one button. I believe the earliest versions of the Golden Bar kit required a 50 cent coin deposited to trip it. The later Golden Bar feature operated with accumulated credit of any coin combination. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdjjAXKvfZBdYOeKF0rDLeO7dB9IFisPH8L03GoFzBgmOmdBO3xpG/ From kjq45 at att.net Mon Sep 14 20:45:26 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Sep 14 20:46:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes Message-ID: <3A92A42AF7C245FF8CA41B5E8EAEC978@D41XWQ61> Does anyone remember the jukes that played a video picture? These miserable machines had 16mm film carts that constantly jammed. I don't think they lasted long before giving up on the idea. If you ever come across the films, they are worth a fortune on Ebay to 16mm collectors. Glen From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 14 21:02:26 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 14 21:04:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes In-Reply-To: <3A92A42AF7C245FF8CA41B5E8EAEC978@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <351380.92105.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Glen, "Scope a tones", or "Scope a tunes" not sure of spelling--YES, Bloody Miserable SOB's !!!! They not only jammed, but also broke the film, bent levers, "blew" lamps, and on, and on and on-------? lasted about a year here--were big in France (where the first ones were made), as I understand it.? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:45 PM Does anyone remember the jukes that played a video picture?? These miserable machines had 16mm film carts that constantly jammed.? I don't think they lasted long before giving up on the idea.? If you ever come across the films, they are worth a fortune on Ebay to 16mm collectors.? Glen _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Sep 14 21:06:18 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Sep 14 21:07:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for NSM CD parts References: <20090914.222112.29571.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <002301ca35b9$e0bb17a0$9d904c09@ZURNT60> working Contol Unit ES-V #206991A/285 OR - a good set of chips for the same unit. If you have any of this please contact me off list with pricing. Thank you. Jeff Zurn From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 14 21:07:57 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 14 21:10:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadow s Message-ID: <20090915.000757.4522.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Ron: I've never seen that function on an LPC juke. If the assigned record slots were set up for LP pricing, the machine played both sides of the Little LP. The titlestrip bar only had the odd record number displayed on it. If the customer pushed the even side of an LP record, (B1 of the A1-B1 record slot for example ) the mech would play both the odd and even side of the record, odd side first. This mech had a left-side only scanning function. If you wanted to set up the entire LPC menu for singles operation, it was necessary to replace the A and B title numbers. Perhaps it was technically possible to run all the combinations you mentioned, but they weren't obvious from the setup manual. Records set up to play as singles would function normally, but either side played only on the left to right scan. The later Wurlitzer models had a dual level of pricing that could be set up for album play. This either began with 2600 or 2700, not sure. The model 2500 was the first record changer to be equipped with the dual concentric spindles/sensors to enable 45/33 auto mix operation. I've seen some some ersatz 2500 models out there with the dual spindle turntable but only a 45 RPM TT motor. I'm not sure if there was a dual pricing unit offered for 2500 album operation. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Handyman Franchises. 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Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:45 PM Does anyone remember the jukes that played a video picture? These miserable machines had 16mm film carts that constantly jammed. I don't think they lasted long before giving up on the idea. If you ever come across the films, they are worth a fortune on Ebay to 16mm collectors. Glen _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 14 21:22:36 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 14 21:25:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes Message-ID: <20090915.002236.4522.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: These were French made machines called Scopitone. They were only on the market for a few years. The specially made Scopitone films for these machines are highly collectable by Scopitone fans. This unit played a choice of films with optical sound, using a rear-projection system. I'm under the impression they went away from the US some time in the 50's. In the late 60's Rowe introduced a film playing accessory called PhonoView for their vinyl jukebox. This system used a different type of 16mm film cartridge than the Scopitone. Rowe offered a movie library for this system. The Rowe film played at the same time a 45 record was selected to provide the soundtrack. The phono and film were not synchronized. This system was not very popular and was discontinued quickly. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWqfJ15bVupTA6750l3svTLFxpEO6RRsfH0iT2vDq9dl9zBDBrTnq/ From kjq45 at att.net Mon Sep 14 21:38:01 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Sep 14 21:39:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes References: <20090915.002236.4522.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <288E5E877D1C4683B0C3C67A8491E58E@D41XWQ61> Not to say that some films weren't optical, but at one time I had over 500 Scopitone films with a magnetic sound track. Many were French. I believe Seeburg distributed the machines in the US for one year. Not only did the films tear, they turned red. A nightmare! I understand the French machine was made by Scopitone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes Gentlemen: These were French made machines called Scopitone. They were only on the market for a few years. The specially made Scopitone films for these machines are highly collectable by Scopitone fans. This unit played a choice of films with optical sound, using a rear-projection system. I'm under the impression they went away from the US some time in the 50's. In the late 60's Rowe introduced a film playing accessory called PhonoView for their vinyl jukebox. This system used a different type of 16mm film cartridge than the Scopitone. Rowe offered a movie library for this system. The Rowe film played at the same time a 45 record was selected to provide the soundtrack. The phono and film were not synchronized. This system was not very popular and was discontinued quickly. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWqfJ15bVupTA6750l3svTLFxpEO6RRsfH0iT2vDq9dl9zBDBrTnq/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 14 21:41:00 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 14 21:44:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadow s Message-ID: <20090915.004100.4522.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Glen: Someone is pressing stereo 78's?? I'm aware that new 7" records are considered to be a boutique item, released by a few artists usually as a souvenir. This seems to be more popular in Europe and the UK than in the US. I'm aware of the Seeburg records. These long play 16 RPM records were designed to be used with Seeburg's BMS1000 background music system. All of these recordings were instrumentally-bland arrangements of pop and favorite song hits grouped together to create a particular mood. This was the definition of background music (Muzak) to be used in commercial settings in the 60's. Contemporary Muzak (or competitive music delivery services) usually now play recordings by the original artist. There is still the bland-instrumental music format available for those that want it. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrCsuEBOQUMwcOhgpXX7K8VHeLq1ewlO952qtq3Ub9ZRR046Hcs/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 14 21:45:11 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 14 21:47:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes Message-ID: <20090915.004511.4522.3@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> You could be correct. I've never seen a Scopitone unit directly. Just saw a brief description of them in a book. It looks like these are probably the first generation of music videos. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ341BGV1wKELIJEbOYHpRbhWxyvc8Txw3LFbkZGVLxQl5IDfIaX2/ From jay at west.net Mon Sep 14 21:48:03 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Sep 14 21:49:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pricing for EPs and "albums" In-Reply-To: <64C76E6605DF4313B1FEF1F9931AB497@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <232336.51757.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com><348122.56448.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><153DD0C13DFA486ABC37B90357800539@D41XWQ61> <64C76E6605DF4313B1FEF1F9931AB497@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4AAF1C83.6080408@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > How do they charge more for EP? I thought all jukes were priced per play > (5c), per 3 plays (10c), or per 10 plays (top tunes button) ? The pricing was independent from the speed change, it was up to the operator to put records in the right slots. Jukes with dual-pricing had more sophisticated electro-mechanical credit units, a multi-selection "SELECT" light to indicate "Select any single", "Make any selection", etc. A set of jumpers or switches associated with the keyboard allowed a one or more "banks" of selections (such as all selections beginning with a certain letter or ending in a certain number) to be designated as "LP" or premium slots. When one of these selections was made a signal would be sent to the credit unit to subtract more credits than for a selection from the "standard" banks. Slots in these banks would be filled with the mini-LP 7-inch 33-RPM records with small center holes. These typically had three selections per side. Note that there was also an EP format that wasn't very common other than in the early days of 45s, two songs on each side of a 45-RPM record with a large center hole. AVC in the amplifier became more important as formats were mixed. The mini-LPs and 45-RPM EPs were recorded at a lower level to allow for more grooves per inch needed for the longer playing time. > Btw, if I do get a top tunes unit for my 2600, I guess that would mean > hunting down a US 50c coin also ? (this only worked with a half-dollar > right? not 2x 25c ?) Probably yes. Some coin accumulators would allow 2 x 25c. In the 1960s, 50c coins were common. They're still being minted and available from banks but rare in circulation these days. Like teh 10c and 25c coins, these no longer contain silver. They're a sandwich of copper/nickel over a copper core. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Mon Sep 14 21:53:03 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Sep 14 21:52:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadow s In-Reply-To: <38E9B9200AE84B7797732E1956B496E2@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <20090914.222112.29571.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> <38E9B9200AE84B7797732E1956B496E2@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4AAF1DAF.7070808@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > I'm familliar with the playrak and the adjustable pricing, but my > question was more "how does the jukebox know to charge a different price > for certain records?". Look for a set of wire jumpers near the keyboard that can be selected for "Album" or "Single" play. If in the "Album" position selections within that group will close a contact to the credit unit to subtract more credits. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From kjq45 at att.net Mon Sep 14 22:01:25 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Sep 14 22:02:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes References: <20090915.004511.4522.3@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Yes, these were the first videos. The originally came out around WWII. The American machines only held about 5 or 6 films and had a combination of records. Seeburg made some 8mm machines as well as 16mm. When I sold my Scopitones, most of them went to the UK. I think there's still some Beatles and Beach Boys 8mm here. They're probably red by now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes You could be correct. I've never seen a Scopitone unit directly. Just saw a brief description of them in a book. It looks like these are probably the first generation of music videos. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ341BGV1wKELIJEbOYHpRbhWxyvc8Txw3LFbkZGVLxQl5IDfIaX2/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Mon Sep 14 22:07:45 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Sep 14 22:09:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadows References: <20090915.004100.4522.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <2A9EA7DBE70C481B939967DBA7ED63EB@D41XWQ61> Yes, Rhino Records produced a limited number of box sets of 78 rpm stereo records. I picked up over 50 of them recently. They are mostly rock titles of the 60's that were originally pressed on 45. These were distributed for home 78 juke owners. New 45's are still being sold here in the US by Oldies.Com. They are superior quality. Vinyl is still pretty big in the UK and are still being pressed. They still say that vinyl is making a come back to the US. We'll see. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadows Glen: Someone is pressing stereo 78's?? I'm aware that new 7" records are considered to be a boutique item, released by a few artists usually as a souvenir. This seems to be more popular in Europe and the UK than in the US. I'm aware of the Seeburg records. These long play 16 RPM records were designed to be used with Seeburg's BMS1000 background music system. All of these recordings were instrumentally-bland arrangements of pop and favorite song hits grouped together to create a particular mood. This was the definition of background music (Muzak) to be used in commercial settings in the 60's. Contemporary Muzak (or competitive music delivery services) usually now play recordings by the original artist. There is still the bland-instrumental music format available for those that want it. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrCsuEBOQUMwcOhgpXX7K8VHeLq1ewlO952qtq3Ub9ZRR046Hcs/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From amej at ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 12 21:36:00 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Mon Sep 14 22:38:33 2009 Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? Message-ID: <4AAC76B0.80505@ix.netcom.com> My Ford 8N tractor has a 6-volt, positive ground ignition system. And, I too, had a stereo AM radio in my car. I think I installed a Radio Shack auto radio. A lot of the AM stations in Los Angeles were in stereo. Most programs were mono, however, it was a surprise to hear a commercial in stereo. It would get your attention. I still have an AM Stereo Tuner among my collection. While I am at it, I have a lot of 45 RPM promo records (1972-1975) that are mono on one side and stereo on the other. Example: 1972: Warner Bros. Records, WB 7612, Tower of Power, You're Still A Young Man 1973: MGM Records, M 13711, Eddy Arnold, Just For Old Times Sake 1974: MGM Records, ZS8 8636, Kris Kristofferson & Rita Coolidge, Lover Please 1974: RCA, JH-10077, Archie Campbell & Minnie Pearl, As Soon As I Hang Up The Phone (cute) 1975: Capitol, P-4108, Helen Reddy, You Don't Need A Reason Most are of artists that I have never saw on the charts. As my grand children say: Jukeboxes, "cool"! Thanks to all of you for making this list "cool". Dick Habegger Phelan, CA --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > Yes, somewhere I have seen a pos. ground auto--, remember > > someone pointing it out to me, and both of us attempting to > > figure out what, if any advantage--can't remember any > > answer---do not recall where--- > From kjq45 at att.net Mon Sep 14 22:43:58 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Sep 14 22:45:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Records Message-ID: <221E1FB5751B4556810E2901706A75C1@D41XWQ61> If anyone is interested, Seeburg made several interesting records for their machines. In addition to the 7", 16 2/3 rpm records, Seeburg also made "Seeburg Select-o-Matic" 78 rpm records, Rec-O-Dance Disc-O-Teen A Go Go 33's with 6 tracks of popular titles, played by the Seeburg Orchestra and something called Disc-O-Theque. From kjq45 at att.net Mon Sep 14 22:51:08 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Sep 14 22:52:38 2009 Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? References: <4AAC76B0.80505@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <3BDA8387969F40378026AD92129ED77E@D41XWQ61> The records you have were sent FREE to radio stations to play. The mono and stereo versions were intended to be used on mono AM, or stereo FM. Radio stations used to give me thousands of these and they were mostly junk; titles that never made a single air play. The labels were mostly white, with no color artwork. Some of these promos are rare and worth lots of money to promo collectors. There are now just as many CD singles being thrown away. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Habegger" To: Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:36 PM Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Original is best? > My Ford 8N tractor has a 6-volt, positive ground ignition system. > > And, I too, had a stereo AM radio in my car. I think I installed a Radio > Shack auto radio. A lot of the AM stations in Los Angeles were in stereo. > Most programs were mono, however, it was a surprise to hear a commercial > in stereo. It would get your attention. > I still have an AM Stereo Tuner among my collection. > > While I am at it, I have a lot of 45 RPM promo records (1972-1975) that > are mono on one side and stereo on the other. > Example: > 1972: Warner Bros. Records, WB 7612, Tower of Power, You're Still A Young > Man > 1973: MGM Records, M 13711, Eddy Arnold, Just For Old Times Sake > 1974: MGM Records, ZS8 8636, Kris Kristofferson & Rita Coolidge, Lover > Please > 1974: RCA, JH-10077, Archie Campbell & Minnie Pearl, As Soon As I Hang Up > The Phone (cute) > 1975: Capitol, P-4108, Helen Reddy, You Don't Need A Reason > > Most are of artists that I have never saw on the charts. > > As my grand children say: Jukeboxes, "cool"! > Thanks to all of you for making this list "cool". > > Dick Habegger > Phelan, CA > > > > --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Ron Rich wrote: > >> > Yes, somewhere I have seen a pos. ground auto--, remember >> > someone pointing it out to me, and both of us attempting to >> > figure out what, if any advantage--can't remember any >> > answer---do not recall where--- >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From klaba at klaba.net Mon Sep 14 23:12:48 2009 From: klaba at klaba.net (Klaba) Date: Mon Sep 14 23:14:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking Tool For Jukes In-Reply-To: <03D9F99E51FA42C1A3E72F717BD5CE98@D41XWQ61> References: <03D9F99E51FA42C1A3E72F717BD5CE98@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <2a6f6eed0909142312v307e1c70rec57ee9bb8dd309f@mail.gmail.com> There's a tool for sale on eBay UK. Item no. 270456402110 I have one and it's very handy. -Klaba- 2009/9/15 Glen Pitts > If you would like to see a dinking tool for punching out a 45 hole, I have > put a picture of one on my web site on the "Vinyl" tab. > www.kjq.us.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Sep 14 23:39:47 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Sep 14 23:41:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking Tool For Jukes In-Reply-To: <03D9F99E51FA42C1A3E72F717BD5CE98@D41XWQ61> References: <03D9F99E51FA42C1A3E72F717BD5CE98@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <82F7B46A3A3D4D449A2110AB5403092C@CHRISLAPTOP> Hey, I love the Jive Bunny record! I don't own any vinyl, but I do have several in mp3 format (including "That's what I like"). btw, I never realised it was "mastermixers" not "mixmasters"! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Pitts" To: Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:46 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking Tool For Jukes If you would like to see a dinking tool for punching out a 45 hole, I have put a picture of one on my web site on the "Vinyl" tab. www.kjq.us.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From russodue at earthlink.net Mon Sep 14 22:23:44 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Tue Sep 15 00:12:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem Message-ID: <22781094.1252992224625.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thanks Rich! Yes, gear is jumping because the gripper shaft refuses to turn. I'm amazed this thing hasn't already broken any teeth on the gears! I'm also amazed that without grease, or it being old grease, it is causing this shaft to seize up like it is. Sounds like a fairly easy fix, just daunting to have to take apart something with such age/craftsmanship. I suppose I should purchase a service manual. Any recomendations (of books) or precautions? From jtjalsma at home.nl Tue Sep 15 03:10:22 2009 From: jtjalsma at home.nl (Jurjen Tjalsma) Date: Tue Sep 15 03:29:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Steady noise from rightchannel LPC amplifier TSA1 Message-ID: <4AAF680E.2010005@home.nl> Hello all, I'm working on a TAS1 amp. It sounds fine, but the rightchannel has a steady noise (shhhhhhhh....) coming out of it. The AVC, bas and treble have no effect on it. Neither has the volumecontrol. When you switch it on the noise is there. Swapping the powertransistors has no effect. The amp has new caps. Anyone who could me point me to the answer? Thanks in advance, Jurjen From rellis2007 at aol.com Tue Sep 15 03:54:28 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 15 03:56:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gripper motor jumping gears Message-ID: <8CC040A07E27871-1B3C-A1E7@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> I had this problem snd it turned out the the whole mech was set up. if You give me a call I can tell You to fix it it is to long to explain on the this group and You may break something. no offence to any one. the number is 850-814-1162 please call doc ellis From JHayes2613 at aol.com Tue Sep 15 04:58:42 2009 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Tue Sep 15 05:00:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Records In-Reply-To: <221E1FB5751B4556810E2901706A75C1@D41XWQ61> References: <221E1FB5751B4556810E2901706A75C1@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <48A043CF-66A4-469F-A574-CD9771CAD7A8@aol.com> Yeah, I found a Seeburg 45 at a used book store... appears to be in really nice condition but I haven't played it yet. On Sep 15, 2009, at 12:43 AM, Glen Pitts wrote: > If anyone is interested, Seeburg made several interesting records > for their machines. In addition to the 7", 16 2/3 rpm records, > Seeburg also made "Seeburg Select-o-Matic" 78 rpm records, Rec-O- > Dance Disc-O-Teen A Go Go 33's with 6 tracks of popular titles, > played by the Seeburg Orchestra and something called Disc-O-Theque. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Tue Sep 15 05:17:05 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Tue Sep 15 05:18:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem References: <22781094.1252992224625.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <940A0CC2F5284C47AC1C0320CF9B83CD@Graeme> I had one from a 1448 that was seized. I tried soaking the whole gripper in degreaser and it did not budge. As a last attempt to fix it I put it in the oven on medium temperature, this worked. I watched as the grease ran out on to tin foil. It is no longer seized. I doubt that it could be pulled apart it was seized that bad. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russo" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem > Thanks Rich! Yes, gear is jumping because the gripper shaft refuses to > turn. I'm amazed this thing hasn't already broken any teeth on the gears! > I'm also amazed that without grease, or it being old grease, it is causing > this shaft to seize up like it is. Sounds like a fairly easy fix, just > daunting to have to take apart something with such age/craftsmanship. I > suppose I should purchase a service manual. Any recomendations (of books) > or precautions? > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edinman at earthlink.net Mon Sep 14 21:58:53 2009 From: edinman at earthlink.net (Ed Inman) Date: Tue Sep 15 06:18:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes Message-ID: <6748746.1252990733165.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have a couple of vintage mirror-image 16mm soundies designed for rear projection in a Scopiotone. Ed -----Original Message----- >From: James Alexander >Sent: Sep 15, 2009 12:45 AM >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes > > >You could be correct. I've never seen a Scopitone unit directly. Just saw a brief description of them in a book. It looks like these are probably the first generation of music videos. > >Jim Alexander > >____________________________________________________________ >Digital Photography - Click Now. >http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ341BGV1wKELIJEbOYHpRbhWxyvc8Txw3LFbkZGVLxQl5IDfIaX2/ >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Tue Sep 15 06:55:38 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Tue Sep 15 06:57:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes In-Reply-To: <351380.92105.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <351380.92105.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <599964.74582.qm@web86709.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I think these video jukeboxes were originally conceived in Italy ie they were?made in Italy before the Scopitone in France.? I have seen a programme about this on Italian television which showed Italian machines (and also showed?some short Italian soundies which were used) for a few years before the first Scopitone.? I only wish I had been able to record it so that I could be certain of the dates involved. Norman. ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 15 September, 2009 5:02:26 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes Glen, "Scope a tones", or "Scope a tunes" not sure of spelling--YES, Bloody Miserable SOB's !!!! They not only jammed, but also broke the film, bent levers, "blew" lamps, and on, and on and on-------? lasted about a year here--were big in France (where the first ones were made), as I understand it.? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:45 PM Does anyone remember the jukes that played a video picture?? These miserable machines had 16mm film carts that constantly jammed.? I don't think they lasted long before giving up on the idea.? If you ever come across the films, they are worth a fortune on Ebay to 16mm collectors.? Glen _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 15 07:39:45 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Tue Sep 15 07:48:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Scopitones Message-ID: <85122.9973.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Regarding the Scopitones here is a link which some folks might find interesting. Gary http://scopitones.blogs.com/scopitonescom/scopitone_history/ From russodue at earthlink.net Tue Sep 15 07:39:38 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Tue Sep 15 07:53:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem Message-ID: <13760022.1253025578347.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Good story Graeme! Sticking the parts in an oven, I would not have thought of - thanks! I think since my gripper actually (eventually) elevated, there must be a dry side to the shaft (from sitting too long). I just picked this up the other day, when it was shown to me (the noise) - I stepped back and thought, yea, I can fix this! I've been searching the internet and I think I've found most of what I might need to reference, but I'm going to give Victory Glass a call today and possibly go out and buy the book. I don't live too far away from Victory Glass! -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Harvey Sent: Sep 15, 2009 6:17 AM To: Russo , Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem I had one from a 1448 that was seized. I tried soaking the whole gripper in degreaser and it did not budge. As a last attempt to fix it I put it in the oven on medium temperature, this worked. I watched as the grease ran out on to tin foil. It is no longer seized. I doubt that it could be pulled apart it was seized that bad. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russo" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem Thanks Rich! Yes, gear is jumping because the gripper shaft refuses to turn. I'm amazed this thing hasn't already broken any teeth on the gears! I'm also amazed that without grease, or it being old grease, it is causing this shaft to seize up like it is. Sounds like a fairly easy fix, just daunting to have to take apart something with such age/craftsmanship. I suppose I should purchase a service manual. Any recomendations (of books) or precautions? Tony _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Tue Sep 15 08:19:26 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Tue Sep 15 08:21:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Scopitones In-Reply-To: <85122.9973.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <85122.9973.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <664643.93968.qm@web86706.mail.ird.yahoo.com> That was it Gary - the Cinebox.? The programme that I saw on Italian TV is?mentioned and although that link to it doesn't work, it still looks like it's available.? I will check it out when I get home from work and post the correct link.? Of course the commentry will be in Italian (Mamma mia!). I will probably buy that book.? I just got back from Italy last Saturday, I could have got it while I was over there if I had known about it! N. ________________________________ From: Gary Young To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tuesday, 15 September, 2009 3:39:45 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Scopitones Regarding the Scopitones here is a link which some folks might find interesting. Gary http://scopitones.blogs.com/scopitonescom/scopitone_history/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 08:27:58 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 15 08:29:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadow s In-Reply-To: <20090915.000757.4522.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <240435.75031.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, I may be incorrect, but I think the LPC-1 "I&O" Manual explained how to "convert" the phono to either singles, or 25 cents per side. It's been years since I read that guide, but I know that at least the LPC-480, and APFEA-1 models had replacement numbers for the "large A1" indicators, factory installed in the first two rows. The replacements were A-1/B-1numbers, and were contained in the envelope that was provided with the phono when new. The LPC-1 may or may not have contained these, however they were available for purchase from an authorized distrib. The method for establishing price was a "swing tab" over each of the number switches. The method for controling if the mech was to play one side or both is contained in a box mounted over the service switch assemb, and consists of movable jumpers. (Might want to get a copy of the late Tony Miller's "Console Era Seeburgs", as it 'splains it all in detail. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/14/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadow s To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:07 PM Ron: I've never seen that function on an LPC juke.? If the assigned record slots were set up for LP pricing, the machine played both sides of the Little LP.? The titlestrip bar only had the odd record number displayed on it.? ? If the customer pushed the even side of an LP record, (B1 of the A1-B1 record slot for example ) the mech would play both the odd and even side of the record, odd side first.? ? This mech had a left-side only scanning function.???If you wanted to set up the entire LPC menu for singles operation, it was necessary to replace the A and B title numbers.? Perhaps it was technically possible to run all the combinations you mentioned, but they weren't obvious from the setup manual. Records set up to play as singles would function normally, but either side played only on the left to right scan.? The later Wurlitzer models had a dual level of pricing that could be set up for album play. This either began with 2600 or 2700, not sure. The model 2500 was the first record changer to be equipped with the dual concentric spindles/sensors to enable 45/33 auto mix operation. I've seen some some ersatz 2500 models out there with the dual spindle turntable but only a 45 RPM TT motor. I'm not sure if there was a dual pricing unit offered for 2500 album operation. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Handyman Franchises. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbiOH1v9FWtz3MBIUt9dwvgpi4zLPSaU74yKfRt6xUTqqgmsRduhi/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 08:31:43 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 15 08:33:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <655184.58112.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Glen, I had to "fix" the darned things--almost impossible to make it run for over 24 hours, in a busy location (even the "New-Improved, made in USA", model)--saw some blown out of the location, "overnight"--- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:20 PM Wow, that got you going.? It's obvious you've had experience with those. You're right; bars threw them out faster than they came in.? They were an ill conceived mess. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes Glen, "Scope a tones", or "Scope a tunes" not sure of spelling--YES, Bloody Miserable SOB's !!!! They not only jammed, but also broke the film, bent levers, "blew" lamps, and on, and on and on------- lasted about a year here--were big in France (where the first ones were made), as I understand it. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:45 PM Does anyone remember the jukes that played a video picture? These miserable machines had 16mm film carts that constantly jammed. I don't think they lasted long before giving up on the idea. If you ever come across the films, they are worth a fortune on Ebay to 16mm collectors. Glen _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 08:34:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 15 08:36:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes In-Reply-To: <20090915.002236.4522.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <94611.32141.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Thanks for the spelling correction--looks better then mine ! Time frame was late 60's, however, as I am not quite old enough to have been working on them in the 50's-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/14/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:22 PM Gentlemen: These were French made machines called Scopitone.? They were only on the market for a few years.? The specially made Scopitone films for these machines are highly collectable by Scopitone fans.???This unit played a choice of films with optical sound, using a rear-projection system.? I'm under the impression they went away from the US some time in the 50's. In the late 60's Rowe introduced a film playing accessory called? PhonoView for their vinyl jukebox.???This system used a different type of 16mm film cartridge than the Scopitone.? Rowe offered a movie library for this system.? ? ???The Rowe film played at the same time a 45 record was selected to provide the soundtrack.???The phono and film were not synchronized.???This system was not very popular and was discontinued quickly. Jim Alexander? ____________________________________________________________ Improve your career health. 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Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:38 PM Not to say that some films weren't optical, but at one time I had over 500 Scopitone films with a magnetic sound track.? Many were French.? I believe Seeburg distributed the machines in the US for one year.? Not only did the films tear, they turned red.? A nightmare!? I understand the French machine was made by Scopitone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes Gentlemen: These were French made machines called Scopitone.? They were only on the market for a few years.? The specially made Scopitone films for these machines are highly collectable by Scopitone fans.???This unit played a choice of films with optical sound, using a rear-projection system.? I'm under the impression they went away from the US some time in the 50's. In the late 60's Rowe introduced a film playing accessory called? PhonoView for their vinyl jukebox.???This system used a different type of 16mm film cartridge than the Scopitone.? Rowe offered a movie library for this system. The Rowe film played at the same time a 45 record was selected to provide the soundtrack.???The phono and film were not synchronized.???This system was not very popular and was discontinued quickly. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWqfJ15bVupTA6750l3svTLFxpEO6RRsfH0iT2vDq9dl9zBDBrTnq/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 08:48:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 15 08:50:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Records In-Reply-To: <221E1FB5751B4556810E2901706A75C1@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <325266.42746.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Glen, and all, I heard something about the "Seeburg Orchestra", or may be the "Disco" thing, from one of the (then high) bosses at Seeburg. He claimed to me, that sometimes when they wanted to record something, someone would go "out on the street"? and "pick-up" anyone willing to "play", and also that some of the Orchestra's members were production line workers at the plant--- Any "members" of the Orchestra left out there to confirm or deny this story ??? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Records To: "Jukebox List" Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:43 PM If anyone is interested, Seeburg made several interesting records for their machines.? In addition to the 7", 16 2/3 rpm records, Seeburg also made "Seeburg Select-o-Matic" 78 rpm records, Rec-O-Dance Disc-O-Teen A Go Go 33's with 6 tracks of popular titles, played by the Seeburg Orchestra and something called Disc-O-Theque. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 08:57:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 15 08:59:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Steady noise from rightchannel LPC amplifier TSA1 In-Reply-To: <4AAF680E.2010005@home.nl> Message-ID: <815024.45025.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jurjen, Most likely that is a "noisy transistor", but it also could be a resistor, or just a poor solder joint--somewhere---you will just need to tbl shoot it. If you have a scope, follow the signal. If not, start "disconnecting stages" backwards from the output. You might also try "heat" and cooling procedures, to pinpoint it.? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Jurjen Tjalsma wrote: From: Jurjen Tjalsma Subject: [Jukebox-list] Steady noise from rightchannel LPC amplifier TSA1 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 3:10 AM Hello all, I'm working on a TAS1 amp. It sounds fine, but the rightchannel has a steady noise (shhhhhhhh....) coming out of it. The AVC, bas and treble have no effect on it. Neither has the volumecontrol. When you switch it on the noise is there. Swapping the powertransistors has no effect. The amp has new caps. Anyone who could me point me to the answer? Thanks in advance, Jurjen _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 09:04:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 15 09:06:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Scopitones In-Reply-To: <85122.9973.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54118.96591.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Gary, Very interesting---thanks for the link. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Gary Young wrote: From: Gary Young Subject: [Jukebox-list] Scopitones To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 7:39 AM Regarding the Scopitones here is a link which some folks might find interesting. Gary http://scopitones.blogs.com/scopitonescom/scopitone_history/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 09:56:39 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Sep 15 09:58:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes In-Reply-To: <20090915.004511.4522.3@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <147213.75627.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 9/14/09, James Alexander wrote: > You could be correct.? I've never seen a Scopitone > unit directly.???Just saw a brief description > of them in a book.? It looks like these are probably > the first generation of music videos. Actually, Warner Bros. released dozens of filmed musical performances in the 1925-1927 period, before the release of "The Jazz Singer." From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Tue Sep 15 10:13:28 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Tue Sep 15 10:15:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Scopitones Message-ID: <799506.55552.qm@web86709.mail.ird.yahoo.com> The programme is here http://www.tg2.rai.it/rubriche.asp?id_p=2556&page=1&id_r_cerca=4&t_cerca=&d_cerca= 49 minutes long. ________________________________ From: NORMAN MACRAE To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 15 September, 2009 4:19:26 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Scopitones That was it Gary - the Cinebox. The programme that I saw on Italian TV is mentioned and although that link to it doesn't work, it still looks like it's available. I will check it out when I get home from work and post the correct link. Of course the commentry will be in Italian (Mamma mia!). I will probably buy that book. I just got back from Italy last Saturday, I could have got it while I was over there if I had known about it! N. ________________________________ From: Gary Young To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tuesday, 15 September, 2009 3:39:45 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Scopitones Regarding the Scopitones here is a link which some folks might find interesting. Gary http://scopitones.blogs.com/scopitonescom/scopitone_history/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 10:35:59 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Sep 15 10:37:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadows In-Reply-To: <2A9EA7DBE70C481B939967DBA7ED63EB@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <552681.8232.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Glen Pitts wrote: > Yes, Rhino Records produced a limited > number of box sets of 78 rpm stereo records.? I picked > up over 50 of them recently.? They are mostly rock > titles of the 60's that were originally pressed on 45.? > These were distributed for home 78 juke owners. Wow. That makes absolutely no sense of all. Since there are no stereo 78 jukeboxes, and the monaural ones don't have the vertical compliance to prevent damage to the records, what was the point in their doing this? I know that many of these reissues use the wrong stylus size, but stereo?! That said, there is an advantage to cutting new records at 78 RPM (especially if using a 2.5 or 3 mil stylus) because the high linear velocity, coupled with the durability of the wide groove, can result in very good sound. In fact, some sound effects libraries for radio (notably from Major Records) were released on 78 well into the 60s. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Tue Sep 15 10:50:22 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Tue Sep 15 10:52:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows In-Reply-To: <552681.8232.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <2A9EA7DBE70C481B939967DBA7ED63EB@D41XWQ61> <552681.8232.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David, thanks for picking up on this. I was about to make the same reply. The Rhino 78 sets were definitely NOT in stereo. I have them all, and play them on my high end system, with a 2.5mil stylus in a Shure V15 type3 cartridge. If they were in stereo I would certainly know it. They are all monaural. Yes, why cut the records in stereo when there were no stereo 78rpm jukeboxes? I agree too that the 78 speed and wide groove made for excellent reproduction. It's interesting to compare original 78 and 45 pressings. Usually the 78 sounds superior. I wish someone was doing new 78 pressings. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 2009, September, 15 1:36 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Glen Pitts wrote: > Yes, Rhino Records produced a limited > number of box sets of 78 rpm stereo records.? I picked up over 50 of > them recently.? They are mostly rock titles of the 60's that were > originally pressed on 45. > These were distributed for home 78 juke owners. Wow. That makes absolutely no sense of all. Since there are no stereo 78 jukeboxes, and the monaural ones don't have the vertical compliance to prevent damage to the records, what was the point in their doing this? I know that many of these reissues use the wrong stylus size, but stereo?! That said, there is an advantage to cutting new records at 78 RPM (especially if using a 2.5 or 3 mil stylus) because the high linear velocity, coupled with the durability of the wide groove, can result in very good sound. In fact, some sound effects libraries for radio (notably from Major Records) were released on 78 well into the 60s. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 15 13:36:18 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Tue Sep 15 13:38:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 1 References: Message-ID: <40318F9E39D44B479C362BEB9F5D81A2@JUKEBUS> Hi Graeme, Check the contacts on the sprag relay in the pulse converter (search unit) box. These need to be adjusted correctly and clean (details are in the manual). Also double check that the capacitors replaced in this box have the correct values. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Harvey" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:46 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 1 I am restoring another Continental. With my restorations I replate all the internal metal. I am working on the mech. which has been reassembled and have it playing. My problem is the latch switch does not unlatch the buttons. The correct sequence of this switch is. Power on switch open. Credit established switch opens. Closes and reopens as credit is subtracted releasing the latch solenoid for a split second between selections. When all credit is removed it opens until more credit is added. With my latch switch, power on switch open. Opens with credit and pulls in the latch solenoid. When selections are made buttons latch, but does not release the latch solenoid for a split second as it should. The switch stays open and will not close until all selections have been played At times it slows the carousel motor. It also blows the right hand side 2 amp slow blow fuse at times when the record is playing and will not allow the reject switch to operate. The fuse blowing is intermittent. I have replaced the capacitor to the relay. Capacitors have been replaced in the search unit. I have swapped out this whole unit with a known good one and it works correctly. Could it be either the 7 watt or 20 watt resisters. My understanding of electronics is basic. I can stumble through but need guidance. Graeme Harvey _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.100/2373 - Release Date: 09/15/09 13:37:00 From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 15 13:40:18 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Sep 15 13:42:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes References: <20090915.004511.4522.3@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <004601ca3644$bce01ac0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Mills came out with the Panoram in 1939. This is a beautiful (but huge) machine utilitzing an RCA 16mm projector with an endless loop system. One reel of about 8-10 songs, cost a dime to play, but no selections allowed - you just got to see the next song on the reel. The videos are entertaining, but most are cheesy. Mine had been converted to a peep show. Google "soundies" and you will see all kinds of info on the artists and films. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Pitts" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes > Yes, these were the first videos. The originally came out around WWII. > The American machines only held about 5 or 6 films and had a combination > of records. Seeburg made some 8mm machines as well as 16mm. When I sold > my Scopitones, most of them went to the UK. I think there's still some > Beatles and Beach Boys 8mm here. They're probably red by now. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Alexander" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes > > > > You could be correct. I've never seen a Scopitone unit directly. Just > saw a brief description of them in a book. It looks like these are > probably the first generation of music videos. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Digital Photography - Click Now. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ341BGV1wKELIJEbOYHpRbhWxyvc8Txw3LFbkZGVLxQl5IDfIaX2/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 15 13:49:26 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Sep 15 13:51:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem References: <22781094.1252992224625.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <940A0CC2F5284C47AC1C0320CF9B83CD@Graeme> Message-ID: <004c01ca3646$03d5bbf0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> If you are careful, a propane torch directed on the casting for 15 seconds will free the gripper. A little safer way is to use an ordinary hair dryer for about 3 minutes. After running the gripper through the cycle several times, I like to stop the gripper pointed straight up (use the "scan/off/play" control switch) and flush it with some kind of penetrating oil. Again, run it through the cycle many times and you may even heat it up once more. Finally oil it good with 20 wt. oil of your choice. Common sense is needed here - you will warp records if not careful. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Harvey" To: "Russo" ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem >I had one from a 1448 that was seized. I tried soaking the whole gripper >in degreaser and it did not budge. As a last attempt to fix it I put it >in the oven on medium temperature, this worked. I watched as the grease >ran out on to tin foil. It is no longer seized. I doubt that it >could be pulled apart it was seized that bad. > > Graeme Harvey > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russo" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft > Problem > > >> Thanks Rich! Yes, gear is jumping because the gripper shaft refuses to >> turn. I'm amazed this thing hasn't already broken any teeth on the >> gears! I'm also amazed that without grease, or it being old grease, it is >> causing this shaft to seize up like it is. Sounds like a fairly easy >> fix, just daunting to have to take apart something with such >> age/craftsmanship. I suppose I should purchase a service manual. Any >> recomendations (of books) or precautions? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 15 13:56:36 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Tue Sep 15 13:58:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V Reversing switch Message-ID: <154B55F1D9F644B28D37CB55C0B5F520@JUKEBUS> Anyone know if it's possible to replace the small insulating strip that mechanically couples all 4 of the switch poles together, without dismantling the switch? Thanks, Adrian. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Sep 15 14:04:12 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Sep 15 14:08:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Records Message-ID: <20090915.170412.18097.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I remember reading the fine print on one of the Seeburg records (can't remember which series) that the rcords "were specially recorded for Seeburg by RCA, using their talent and studios". Does this shed any light on the subject? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to lower your debt and consolidate your monthly expenses. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVtfLg2oszTKLCzvUMwoGisZxQrMhXgdkvhlg2iv5qC6T1GxSOwj2/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Sep 15 14:36:21 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Sep 15 14:40:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadow s Message-ID: <20090915.173621.18097.2@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Ron: Possibly the later of the "LP" phonos, (LPC-480 and the 2 others) may have had the alternate switching capability on them, but the '63 LPC-1 didn't gve you that capability. For LP setup/operation, the juke had to play both sides of the disc. If duplicate num,ber ses wre availav'le for thye titleboard they weren't in the "care" package with a new juke. They probably had to be bought as an accessory. If an LPC-1 was set up for all singles operation, the mech picked up all selections on the left to-right scan, playing te odd side first if both sides got selected. Even the numbers in the "selection playing" rack only showed the odd-side selection. May be this got altered on the later LP models. When I was working in vending back in the 60's, all the Seeburg jukes the company had were the LPC-1R's. (LPC-1's with the stepper chassis) They didn't have any of the later year models. I've had several LPC's (including two recently) in the shop for rehab. jobs. BTW, do you have any spare power transformers to fit a TCC-1 chassis? JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6xufmX4AEpa7RRa3ZKHaxhYdAVyt9iO3qa3kvbwV0zHNQeD24Q/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Sep 15 14:48:51 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Sep 15 14:51:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes Message-ID: <20090915.174851.18097.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Guys: If you are so inclined, there is a Scopitone owners' fan club somewhere on the web. I accidentally stumbled across it recently, but didn't note the web address. To hear you tell it, these were less than pleasant to work on. I remember seeing a Rowe Phonoview system in use at a local pub. With this system, apparently the customer could select a song (on 45 vinyl) to play, but you couldn't select which of the film cartridges (video only--no sound) would get played. The few films I remember seeing were generic non descript scenes like landscapes, cars racing around a bend, pretty girls walking/talking on a streetcorner, etc.that could get safely paired up any number of song selections and look OK to the user. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZXsohQm22pBALQBeLYN0nnovY78PQ4m6u2UK6mp7OzzgQb0f8o16/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 15:23:00 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 15 15:24:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadow s In-Reply-To: <20090915.173621.18097.2@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <885619.79440.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Sorry, but you are absolutely incorrect on the LPC-1 .Seeburg may not have "published" this info, but the authorized distribs were aware of how to do it, and had alternate pricing window sets available.? All that needs to be done is remove the # 1 and # 2 jumpers from the "Album" terminal, inside the cover on the service switch, and place them on the "singles" strip. The phono will now select sides individually, on those two "rows" (and all other rows "set" to singles), regardless of ANY other factors. Also, included in the "care package" on all LPC's were more "Large" (one sided) numbers that could be used to replace other "small" numbers used in other rows-- Yes, gotta old chassis with a good xformer--contact me off list---Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/15/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard &theShadow s To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 2:36 PM Ron: Possibly the later of the "LP" phonos, (LPC-480 and the 2 others) may have had the alternate switching capability on them, but the '63? LPC-1 didn't gve you that capability.? For LP setup/operation, the juke had to play both sides of the disc.? If duplicate num,ber ses wre availav'le for thye titleboard they weren't in the "care" package with a new juke.? They probably had to be bought as an accessory.? If an LPC-1 was set up for all singles operation, the mech picked up all selections on the left to-right scan, playing te odd side first if both sides got selected. Even the numbers in the "selection playing" rack only showed the odd-side selection.???May be this got altered on the later LP models.? When I was working in vending back in the 60's, all the Seeburg jukes the company had were the LPC-1R's.? (LPC-1's with the stepper chassis) They didn't have any of the later year models.? ? I've had several LPC's (including two recently) in the shop for rehab. jobs.??? BTW, do you have any spare power transformers to fit a TCC-1 chassis?? JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6xufmX4AEpa7RRa3ZKHaxhYdAVyt9iO3qa3kvbwV0zHNQeD24Q/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 15:31:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 15 15:32:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes In-Reply-To: <20090915.174851.18097.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <710514.84454.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> A "fan Club" for Scopitone? ?? WOW !!? I can't recall, but it seems that I had to install an audio update kit on them---for "magnetic" sound ?? I remember that whatever you attempted to do, it was a PIA to make it work-- I do remember that they would sometimes load the film so that the "optical" audio was out of sync. It seems that once this started happening, it was a major repair to bring it back to working "correctly" (for a Scopitone !).? Ah, the memories----- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/15/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 2:48 PM Guys: If you are so inclined, there is a Scopitone owners' fan club somewhere on the web.? I accidentally stumbled across it recently, but didn't note the web address. To hear you tell it, these were less than pleasant to work on.???I remember seeing a Rowe Phonoview system in use at a local pub.? ? With this system, apparently the customer could select a song (on 45 vinyl) to play, but you couldn't select which of the film cartridges (video only--no sound) would get played.??? The few films I remember seeing were generic non descript scenes like landscapes, cars racing around a bend, pretty girls walking/talking on a streetcorner, etc.that could get safely paired up any number of song selections and look OK to the user. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! 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Sometimes things get confused. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows David, thanks for picking up on this. I was about to make the same reply. The Rhino 78 sets were definitely NOT in stereo. I have them all, and play them on my high end system, with a 2.5mil stylus in a Shure V15 type3 cartridge. If they were in stereo I would certainly know it. They are all monaural. Yes, why cut the records in stereo when there were no stereo 78rpm jukeboxes? I agree too that the 78 speed and wide groove made for excellent reproduction. It's interesting to compare original 78 and 45 pressings. Usually the 78 sounds superior. I wish someone was doing new 78 pressings. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 2009, September, 15 1:36 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Glen Pitts wrote: > Yes, Rhino Records produced a limited > number of box sets of 78 rpm stereo records. I picked up over 50 of > them recently. They are mostly rock titles of the 60's that were > originally pressed on 45. > These were distributed for home 78 juke owners. Wow. That makes absolutely no sense of all. Since there are no stereo 78 jukeboxes, and the monaural ones don't have the vertical compliance to prevent damage to the records, what was the point in their doing this? I know that many of these reissues use the wrong stylus size, but stereo?! That said, there is an advantage to cutting new records at 78 RPM (especially if using a 2.5 or 3 mil stylus) because the high linear velocity, coupled with the durability of the wide groove, can result in very good sound. In fact, some sound effects libraries for radio (notably from Major Records) were released on 78 well into the 60s. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. 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Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 16:29:56 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Tue Sep 15 16:31:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes In-Reply-To: <710514.84454.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20090915.174851.18097.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> <710514.84454.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All this talk about Scopitones make me want to find my Scopitone manual which I have around here "somewhere"... :) It was actually a reprint of the original, plus additional info. I really need to find it... Thomas On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > A "fan Club" for Scopitone ? WOW !! I can't recall, but it seems that I > had to install an audio update kit on them---for "magnetic" sound ? I > remember that whatever you attempted to do, it was a PIA to make it work-- I > do remember that they would sometimes load the film so that the "optical" > audio was out of sync. It seems that once this started happening, it was a > major repair to bring it back to working "correctly" (for a Scopitone !). > Ah, the memories----- Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 9/15/09, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 2:48 PM > > > Guys: > > If you are so inclined, there is a Scopitone owners' fan club somewhere on > the web. I accidentally stumbled across it recently, but didn't note the > web address. > To hear you tell it, these were less than pleasant to work on. I remember > seeing a Rowe Phonoview system in use at a local pub. With this system, > apparently the customer could select a song (on 45 vinyl) to play, but you > couldn't select which of the film cartridges (video only--no sound) would > get played. > The few films I remember seeing were generic non descript scenes like > landscapes, cars racing around a bend, pretty girls walking/talking on a > streetcorner, etc.that could get safely paired up any number of song > selections and look OK to the user. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! > Click now! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZXsohQm22pBALQBeLYN0nnovY78PQ4m6u2UK6mp7OzzgQb0f8o16/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From bobe at halted.com Tue Sep 15 16:16:33 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Tue Sep 15 16:33:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadow s Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090915231633.009aa9a0@hsces.com> At 08:29 PM 9/14/2009 -0700, you wrote: >Seeburg began using a dual unit as the only offered unit with the V-200. At first they called it a "Dual Credit Unit" (DCU-1L6). The first version came only pre-priced at "dime play", for singles, and were in-jun-eered to make it VERY difficult to change pricing. Due to pressure, they came out about mid year with what they called a DCU-5L6. They was pre-set at a nickel play. The "dual" portions were for EP (NOT album) play. A DCU-1 was set at 15 cents per EP play, and the DCU-5 at 10 cents per EP play.? Later versions were called "DPU's"(Pricing), rather than DCU's. >Seeburg's LPC-1 was the first phono to offer "Little (7") Albums". As they came from the plant, they required 50 cents, either 10 nickels, 5 dimes, two quarters, or one half-dollar, or any combination of the above, to play both sides of an album. They, unlike previous Seeburgs, were programmeable to play both sides ( left and right) of ANY, or all group(s) of ten or more records for the higher price. They also were programmable to play HALF (one side or the other) for 25 cents--or for that mater, many different prices---Ron Rich And in between these two formats ("EP" vs. "Little LP") came the "Artist of the Week" sets, with four or five 33 1/3 records, each with one song per side, as well as artwork and title-strips, all shipped in a labeled manila envelope. A special window on the upper dome glass allowed you to rotated out the featured artist. I'm not sure if they charged a premium for those selections, if they did you had to have a different credit unit than was shipped standard. The models Q, AY and DS (1960 to 1962) were the ones that pumped that particular scheme. There was even an optional large, illuminated wall sign that would light up when a "33 Stereo" side was playing. I haven't found where this was supposed to plug into the phono, yet, although I have an AY and a DS. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From bobe at halted.com Tue Sep 15 16:16:33 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Tue Sep 15 16:34:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090915231633.0099a184@hsces.com> At 04:22 AM 9/15/2009 GMT, you wrote: > > >Gentlemen: > >These were French made machines called Scopitone. They were only on the market for a few years. The specially made Scopitone films for these machines are highly collectable by Scopitone fans. This unit played a choice of films with optical sound, using a rear-projection system. I'm under the impression they went away from the US some time in the 50's. > A local film "festival" that is put on a couple times a year by our junior college radio station is devoted to 16mm films. They show a real mixed bag of cartoons, workplace safety films, commercials (it has been a long time since we've seen cigarette commercials!), teen shows like "Shindig", as well as Mills Panoram and Scopitone "soundies". Those are always hugely popular. They are, for the most part, second-tier entertainers, the Scopitones look like they are from the early 60's. I remember seeing one from Frank Sinatra Jr, who was singing while walking throug a park in a swim suit (imagine Frank Sr. being asked to do that!). It was very vivid colors, I think some of them were done in Technicolor. Some of the other films (not Scopitones) had indeed turned red from age. I'm sure some of the real popular ones can be found on YouTube...look for Joi Lansing singing "Trapped in the Web of Love", Jody Miller doing "Queen of the House", or Sonny King doing "I Cried for You" (all Scopitones). Pure cheese. Then find the Panoram soundie of Joy Hodges doing "Row, Row, Row". Pure camp! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 16:35:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 15 16:36:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <531565.95710.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> NO, NO !!! Itz NOT needed--besides, how many guys reading this know French !!! Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:29 PM All this talk about Scopitones make me want to find my Scopitone manual which I have around here "somewhere"...? :) It was actually a reprint of the original, plus additional info. I really need to find it... Thomas On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > A "fan Club" for Scopitone? ?? WOW !!? I can't recall, but it seems that I > had to install an audio update kit on them---for "magnetic" sound ?? I > remember that whatever you attempted to do, it was a PIA to make it work-- I > do remember that they would sometimes load the film so that the "optical" > audio was out of sync. It seems that once this started happening, it was a > major repair to bring it back to working "correctly" (for a Scopitone !). > Ah, the memories----- Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 9/15/09, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 2:48 PM > > > Guys: > > If you are so inclined, there is a Scopitone owners' fan club somewhere on > the web.? I accidentally stumbled across it recently, but didn't note the > web address. > To hear you tell it, these were less than pleasant to work on.???I remember > seeing a Rowe Phonoview system in use at a local pub.? ? With this system, > apparently the customer could select a song (on 45 vinyl) to play, but you > couldn't select which of the film cartridges (video only--no sound) would > get played. > The few films I remember seeing were generic non descript scenes like > landscapes, cars racing around a bend, pretty girls walking/talking on a > streetcorner, etc.that could get safely paired up any number of song > selections and look OK to the user. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! > Click now! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZXsohQm22pBALQBeLYN0nnovY78PQ4m6u2UK6mp7OzzgQb0f8o16/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Tue Sep 15 16:35:10 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David G..) Date: Tue Sep 15 16:36:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 5220 series wall box light bulbs? Message-ID: Am I correct in assuming that the "GE 47" is the correct bulbs for these boxes? Not seeing it the Wallbox manual in or schematics. David G. From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 16:40:17 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Tue Sep 15 16:43:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes In-Reply-To: <531565.95710.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <531565.95710.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The one I have is actually in English. I got it on Ebay maybe 10 or so years ago. It was really a fascinating read. Was hoping I might come across one someday (but maybe not now after hearing all the horror stories... LOL) Thomas On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > NO, NO !!! Itz NOT needed--besides, how many guys reading this know French > !!! Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: > > From: Thomas Teeter > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:29 PM > > All this talk about Scopitones make me want to find my Scopitone manual > which I have around here "somewhere"... :) > It was actually a reprint of the original, plus additional info. I really > need to find it... > > Thomas > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > > > A "fan Club" for Scopitone ? WOW !! I can't recall, but it seems that > I > > had to install an audio update kit on them---for "magnetic" sound ? I > > remember that whatever you attempted to do, it was a PIA to make it > work-- I > > do remember that they would sometimes load the film so that the "optical" > > audio was out of sync. It seems that once this started happening, it was > a > > major repair to bring it back to working "correctly" (for a Scopitone !). > > Ah, the memories----- Ron Rich > > > > --- On Tue, 9/15/09, James Alexander wrote: > > > > From: James Alexander > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 2:48 PM > > > > > > Guys: > > > > If you are so inclined, there is a Scopitone owners' fan club somewhere > on > > the web. I accidentally stumbled across it recently, but didn't note the > > web address. > > To hear you tell it, these were less than pleasant to work on. I > remember > > seeing a Rowe Phonoview system in use at a local pub. With this > system, > > apparently the customer could select a song (on 45 vinyl) to play, but > you > > couldn't select which of the film cartridges (video only--no sound) would > > get played. > > The few films I remember seeing were generic non descript scenes like > > landscapes, cars racing around a bend, pretty girls walking/talking on a > > streetcorner, etc.that could get safely paired up any number of song > > selections and look OK to the user. > > > > Jim Alexander > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! > > Click now! > > > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZXsohQm22pBALQBeLYN0nnovY78PQ4m6u2UK6mp7OzzgQb0f8o16/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From kjq45 at att.net Tue Sep 15 16:45:52 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Tue Sep 15 16:47:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stepper Relay Needed Message-ID: Does anyone have a No.2 timing relay for a Rock-Ola 1754, or 1745 stepper? I need one to finish a rebuild. Glen From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 17:29:53 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 15 17:31:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadow s In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20090915231633.009aa9a0@hsces.com> Message-ID: <424365.33751.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, AoW sets were not intended to be sold at a higher price per play--the sign (there were a couple of different size and types) could be plugged into a 33TASU-2, if I recall right--earlier units need a slight "mod" to work it--Ron Rich From: Bob Ellingson \ At 08:29 PM 9/14/2009 -0700, Ron Rich wrote: >Seeburg began using a dual unit as the only offered unit with the V-200. At first they called it a "Dual Credit Unit" (DCU-1L6). The first version came only pre-priced at "dime play", for singles, and were in-jun-eered to make it VERY difficult to change pricing. Due to pressure, they came out about mid year with what they called a DCU-5L6. They was pre-set at a nickel play. The "dual" portions were for EP (NOT album) play. A DCU-1 was set at 15 cents per EP play, and the DCU-5 at 10 cents per EP play.? Later versions were called "DPU's"(Pricing), rather than DCU's. >Seeburg's LPC-1 was the first phono to offer "Little (7") Albums". As they came from the plant, they required 50 cents, either 10 nickels, 5 dimes, two quarters, or one half-dollar, or any combination of the above, to play both sides of an album. They, unlike previous Seeburgs, were programmeable to play both sides ( left and right) of ANY, or all group(s) of ten or more records for the higher price. They also were programmable to play HALF (one side or the other) for 25 cents--or for that mater, many different prices---Ron Rich And in between these two formats ("EP" vs. "Little LP") came the "Artist of the Week" sets, with four or five 33 1/3 records, each with one song per side, as well as artwork and title-strips, all shipped in a labeled manila envelope.? A special window on the upper dome glass allowed you to rotated out the featured artist.? I'm not sure if they charged a premium for those selections, if they did you had to have a different credit unit than was shipped standard. The models Q, AY and DS (1960 to 1962) were the ones that pumped that particular scheme.? There was even an optional large, illuminated wall sign that would light up when a "33 Stereo" side was playing.? I haven't found where this was supposed to plug into the phono, yet, although I have an AY and a DS. --Bob From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 17:32:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 15 17:34:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 5220 series wall box light bulbs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <241715.13612.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Don't know what number lamps are called for in that unit, but? "GE" only signifies the brand. All # 47's are (supposed to be) the "same"-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/15/09, David G.. wrote: From: David G.. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 5220 series wall box light bulbs? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:35 PM Am I correct in assuming that the "GE 47" is the correct bulbs for these boxes? Not seeing it the Wallbox manual in or schematics. David G. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 17:33:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 15 17:35:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <280916.46569.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Then it ain't "the original" (or a copy thereof) !? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:40 PM The one I have is actually in English. I got it on Ebay maybe 10 or so years ago. It was really a fascinating read. Was hoping I might come across one someday (but maybe not now after hearing all the horror stories...???LOL) Thomas On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > NO, NO !!! Itz NOT needed--besides, how many guys reading this know French > !!! Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: > > From: Thomas Teeter > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:29 PM > > All this talk about Scopitones make me want to find my Scopitone manual > which I have around here "somewhere"...? :) > It was actually a reprint of the original, plus additional info. I really > need to find it... > > Thomas > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > > > A "fan Club" for Scopitone? ?? WOW !!? I can't recall, but it seems that > I > > had to install an audio update kit on them---for "magnetic" sound ?? I > > remember that whatever you attempted to do, it was a PIA to make it > work-- I > > do remember that they would sometimes load the film so that the "optical" > > audio was out of sync. It seems that once this started happening, it was > a > > major repair to bring it back to working "correctly" (for a Scopitone !). > > Ah, the memories----- Ron Rich > > > > --- On Tue, 9/15/09, James Alexander wrote: > > > > From: James Alexander > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 2:48 PM > > > > > > Guys: > > > > If you are so inclined, there is a Scopitone owners' fan club somewhere > on > > the web.? I accidentally stumbled across it recently, but didn't note the > > web address. > > To hear you tell it, these were less than pleasant to work on.???I > remember > > seeing a Rowe Phonoview system in use at a local pub.? ? With this > system, > > apparently the customer could select a song (on 45 vinyl) to play, but > you > > couldn't select which of the film cartridges (video only--no sound) would > > get played. > > The few films I remember seeing were generic non descript scenes like > > landscapes, cars racing around a bend, pretty girls walking/talking on a > > streetcorner, etc.that could get safely paired up any number of song > > selections and look OK to the user. > > > > Jim Alexander > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! > > Click now! > > > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZXsohQm22pBALQBeLYN0nnovY78PQ4m6u2UK6mp7OzzgQb0f8o16/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From y2kvette at verizon.net Tue Sep 15 17:51:37 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Tue Sep 15 17:53:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stepper Relay Needed References: Message-ID: <8C5B29C6B3F44D87A848A3D721B909AE@TCSShop> Do you have the part number on the switch? microswitch? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Pitts" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stepper Relay Needed Does anyone have a No.2 timing relay for a Rock-Ola 1754, or 1745 stepper? I need one to finish a rebuild. Glen _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Tue Sep 15 18:13:01 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David G..) Date: Tue Sep 15 18:14:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 5220 series wall box light bulbs? In-Reply-To: <241715.13612.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <241715.13612.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98FF30E638A5465590E11F09C7EA589A@DavidPC> That was all I could read on any of the bulbs. Was wondering if the "47's" were correct. I had some globe shaped bulbs mixed in which weren't legible. Same base. Thanks Ron David G.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 5220 series wall box light bulbs? David, Don't know what number lamps are called for in that unit, but "GE" only signifies the brand. All # 47's are (supposed to be) the "same"-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/15/09, David G.. wrote: From: David G.. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 5220 series wall box light bulbs? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:35 PM Am I correct in assuming that the "GE 47" is the correct bulbs for these boxes? Not seeing it the Wallbox manual in or schematics. David G. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Tue Sep 15 19:49:29 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Tue Sep 15 19:51:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stepper Relay Needed References: <8C5B29C6B3F44D87A848A3D721B909AE@TCSShop> Message-ID: <206D3EB8507545F3A5408041614B4C70@D41XWQ61> The Rock-Ola part number is 35600. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Kline" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Stepper Relay Needed > Do you have the part number on the switch? microswitch? > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Pitts" > To: "Jukebox List" > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:45 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stepper Relay Needed > > > Does anyone have a No.2 timing relay for a Rock-Ola 1754, or 1745 stepper? > I need one to finish a rebuild. Glen > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 19:53:13 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 15 19:54:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V Reversing switch In-Reply-To: <154B55F1D9F644B28D37CB55C0B5F520@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <679636.43319.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Adrian, Yup---Very carefully !?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: From: Juke of Shrewsbury Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V Reversing switch To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 1:56 PM Anyone know if it's possible to replace the small insulating strip that mechanically couples all 4 of the switch poles together, without dismantling the switch? Thanks, Adrian. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Tue Sep 15 20:18:21 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Tue Sep 15 20:19:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI 200 Message-ID: <6489988F432740FAA0759650F478A1D6@D41XWQ61> Does anyone know what replacement cartridge is used in an AMI 200? From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Sep 15 20:52:55 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Sep 15 20:56:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 5220 series wall box light bulbs? Message-ID: <20090915.235255.21372.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Dave: A #47 lamp can be used. It is a 6.3 volt circuit. # 47's are readily available. Without taking the time to look it up, I think that a larger, brighter 6.3V bulb (maybe a #55) is the technically correct bulb to use. #55 lamps are a little harder to find these days. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Turn any room into a work of art. Click now for beautiful oriental rugs! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTn26F5qZa975LhCL1e6vC53fyGWi49TZbXaHD3IdEWkwtotmT3nK/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Sep 15 21:03:00 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Sep 15 21:06:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI 200 Message-ID: <20090916.000300.21372.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Glenn: Which model AMI 200? Most of the mono machines originally used a GE mono magnetic cartridge. Older machines had a GE RPX series model--later ones have a GE VR-II model. When changing cartridges, the topic comes up (again) regarding compatibility to play stereo records/better audio performance versus keeping the unit original. Popular stereo magnetic cartridges used here are the Pickering N-PAC model (now obsolete, Vern Tisdale was closing them out for low $$) The Stanton 500AL (also recently discontinued) or the Stanton 400V3 (current repl. for all the above). Some people like to use the Shure M44C cartridge here. I've seen the Pfanstiehl P-132D ceramic installed also, along with amp ckt modifications. (The juke doctor that writes the column in Always Jukin' likes this combination---I think the magnetics sound better. ) Tone arm tracking can be lightened to 4-5 grams with any of the stereo cartridges. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for the latest in magnetic therapy technology! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSnNgBIftc9ps7kH055sMDv39dLXrp3DAD232spWXTZjOBzfwubba/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Sep 15 21:21:38 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Sep 15 21:24:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes Message-ID: <20090916.002138.21372.3@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Since this discussion string keeps on going, I located the Scopitone website. Apparently someone has transferred the original Scopitone music videos to DVD if you're interested. Go to www.scopitones.blogs.com. There are links here to other Scopitone sites. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click now for great information on the latest in cancer treatment! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZpu2y0s10WOddXNaMoXaEYhHvDBhH5HWgs3S3L1skjPiXEl6Yv76/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Sep 15 23:53:25 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Sep 15 23:54:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows In-Reply-To: <59B42651B3074C14A12C54F515F67931@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <646398.6148.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Glen Pitts wrote: > David & Mike,? My apologies > for stating "stereo" on the 78's.? With well over > 50,000 records here, it was just a mishap in language.? > Sometimes things get confused. Well, stranger things have happened than stereo 78s! :-) I recall reading that the cartoonist [something - Frank?] Crumm (sp?), the guy who originated the poster in the 70s with a guy in a zoot suit swinging his watch chain, also had a jazz band that issued a stereo 78 in the 70s called "My Girlfriend's P****." In fact, the song on the other side of the record was, as I remember, cut at 33-1/3. Try playing *that* in a jukebox! From emox.dirkg at live.com Tue Sep 15 11:13:08 2009 From: emox.dirkg at live.com (Dirk Goettling) Date: Wed Sep 16 00:18:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? Message-ID: I just bought a 93 rowe cd-51 juke box and found your thread are you still in need of parts? 305-481-6269 Dirk Goettling From t1118 at telus.net Tue Sep 15 20:41:33 2009 From: t1118 at telus.net (Sam Knowles) Date: Wed Sep 16 00:18:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] century 21 NSM E160 REPAIR Message-ID: Hi, I'm looking for a juke repair person who lives in abbotsford b.c. canada or the fraser valley. Please help!! Did I BUY A PIECE OF JUNK? Thanks Sam From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 16 05:13:00 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Wed Sep 16 05:14:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes In-Reply-To: <20090915.174851.18097.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <438341.62079.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I scrapped a French Scopitone many years ago. I think I paid about $50 for it. It was big, heavy and full of old films. It probably came from a bar because about half of the films were porno (not from Scopitone) of the day without a sound track, of course. I sold many parts on Ebay as well as the original Scopitone films. I added all the fasteners to my metric parts bin. A friend used to repair Scopitones but had nothing good to say about them. If you buy old Scopitone film watch out for the color. They tend to lose color and change to a very terrible reddish color through the years. Scopitone also had a minature flashlight in the image of the Scopitone as an advertising give away but I have only seen the one that I had. David (near the Geritol Ghetto) --- On Tue, 9/15/09, James Alexander wrote: > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 16mm Jukes > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 3:48 PM > > Guys: > > If you are so inclined, there is a Scopitone owners' fan > club somewhere on the web.? I accidentally stumbled > across it recently, but didn't note the web address. > To hear you tell it, these were less than pleasant to work > on.???I remember seeing a Rowe Phonoview > system in use at a local pub.? ? With this system, > apparently the customer could select a song (on 45 vinyl) to > play, but you couldn't select which of the film cartridges > (video only--no sound) would get played.??? > The few films I remember seeing were generic non descript > scenes like landscapes, cars racing around a bend, pretty > girls walking/talking on a streetcorner, etc.that could get > safely paired up any number of song selections and look OK > to the user. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to > new heights! Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZXsohQm22pBALQBeLYN0nnovY78PQ4m6u2UK6mp7OzzgQb0f8o16/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed Sep 16 06:42:49 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Sep 16 06:44:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows In-Reply-To: <646398.6148.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <59B42651B3074C14A12C54F515F67931@D41XWQ61> <646398.6148.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No problem Glen, we just wanted to set the "record" straight. I too have a stereo 78rpm. It's a 12" Robert Gordon (with Link Wray) , and it's a remake of the song "The Fool" . It was released in the late 70's, and one side has the song in stereo 78, and I think it's on 45 on the flip side. A cool novelty. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 2009, September, 16 2:53 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Glen Pitts wrote: > David & Mike,? My apologies > for stating "stereo" on the 78's.? With well over 50,000 records here, > it was just a mishap in language. > Sometimes things get confused. Well, stranger things have happened than stereo 78s! :-) I recall reading that the cartoonist [something - Frank?] Crumm (sp?), the guy who originated the poster in the 70s with a guy in a zoot suit swinging his watch chain, also had a jazz band that issued a stereo 78 in the 70s called "My Girlfriend's P****." In fact, the song on the other side of the record was, as I remember, cut at 33-1/3. Try playing *that* in a jukebox! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From amej at ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 16 11:26:02 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Wed Sep 16 11:51:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RO 490 Alignment Instructions Online Message-ID: <4AB12DBA.3050302@ix.netcom.com> I found that the copy of the Rock-Ola 490 Service Manual from Victory Glass is not complete. My original copy of the Alignment Instructions include page 7 which was not included in the VG copy. Therefore, I placed a scanned, pdf copy of the complete instructions on my Web Site: > http://home.netcom.com/~amej/jukebox.html I hope this will help someone, or anyone! Dick Habegger Phelan, CA From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Wed Sep 16 12:32:35 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Wed Sep 16 12:34:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V Reversing switch References: <679636.43319.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <07F90F10191C4532BB025302376C801B@JUKEBUS> ...Thanks Ron, the customer who broke his wants to fit a replacement himself.... Do you (or anyone) have any of these spare and for sale? Regards, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V Reversing switch Adrian, Yup---Very carefully ! Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: From: Juke of Shrewsbury Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V Reversing switch To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 1:56 PM Anyone know if it's possible to replace the small insulating strip that mechanically couples all 4 of the switch poles together, without dismantling the switch? Thanks, Adrian. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.100/2373 - Release Date: 09/15/09 13:37:00 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Sep 16 12:42:33 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 16 12:45:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RO 490 Alignment Instructions Online Message-ID: <20090916.154233.24769.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Hello Dick: Thanks for reposting your scans of the service manual on your home page. It was easier for me to open that way. The amp instructions shown here are listed in the 480 service manual. The mech instructions are there as well. You may want to post this on the juke list as a service for 80's RO owners. BTW, i thought Phelan CA was slightly north of Santa Monica. Do you normally get that much snow so close to L.A.? Or is my geography off? You need to be concerned with the page instructing you to adjust for .0015V. This can have an effect on your hot-running driver and output stages. In a perfect world, this adjustment wouldn't drift off of normal. What you may need to check, now that this amp is 20+ years old is that the PC pots are skritchy, dirty and have intermittent spots on them.. If you wish to clean the controls, the best chemical spray cleaner to use is Caig Labs' De-Oxit---much better over the long term than a generic caqn of tuner cleaner. After cleaning the controls, approximate the correct mechanical setting and perform this test once again. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for great quotes from top international movers! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZJC0oWKN0PrxO6ODyUgvAFe8bpIJqFU5kTOAv4kJpmrdRNprHN0c/ From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 16 13:35:46 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Wed Sep 16 13:37:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <280019.90714.qm@web63207.mail.re1.yahoo.com> hello and thanks for the message..I tried to call you but it said phone not in service or incorrect #....mine is 315-335-9985...thanks! Ken --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Dirk Goettling wrote: From: Dirk Goettling Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 2:13 PM I just bought a 93 rowe cd-51 juke box and found your thread are you still in need of parts? 305-481-6269 Dirk Goettling _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From russodue at earthlink.net Sun Sep 13 21:44:56 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Wed Sep 16 13:42:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem Message-ID: <19403857.1252903496872.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi, read some of the posts here and noticed lots of very educated people - I hope someone can help me troubleshoot a problem. I just acquired a 1448 Rock-Ola, lovin the Americana! Something isn't right though, the gripper drive shaft doesn't turn. Smaller gear that drives it spins creating a loud thumping noise, due to the gripper drive shaft not wanting to turn. Is this a simple grease problem, or something else? It's strange, I just acquired this beautiful machine the other day and it had this problem, but, while checking it out some more, the gripper arm magically elevated to place a record back, then again, the gripper drive shaft stops turning. Tony From kjq45 at att.net Wed Sep 16 15:09:57 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Wed Sep 16 15:11:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI 200 References: <20090916.000300.21372.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I forgot the H for H200. You answered the question though. I have several Shure M44's that will work. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI 200 Glenn: Which model AMI 200? Most of the mono machines originally used a GE mono magnetic cartridge. Older machines had a GE RPX series model--later ones have a GE VR-II model. When changing cartridges, the topic comes up (again) regarding compatibility to play stereo records/better audio performance versus keeping the unit original. Popular stereo magnetic cartridges used here are the Pickering N-PAC model (now obsolete, Vern Tisdale was closing them out for low $$) The Stanton 500AL (also recently discontinued) or the Stanton 400V3 (current repl. for all the above). Some people like to use the Shure M44C cartridge here. I've seen the Pfanstiehl P-132D ceramic installed also, along with amp ckt modifications. (The juke doctor that writes the column in Always Jukin' likes this combination---I think the magnetics sound better. ) Tone arm tracking can be lightened to 4-5 grams with any of the stereo cartridges. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for the latest in magnetic therapy technology! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSnNgBIftc9ps7kH055sMDv39dLXrp3DAD232spWXTZjOBzfwubba/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Wed Sep 16 15:18:17 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Wed Sep 16 15:19:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows References: <59B42651B3074C14A12C54F515F67931@D41XWQ61><646398.6148.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <030AE2D9E1CF4F5EA760F163B49FE0B5@D41XWQ61> FYI: I communicated with the owner of Oldies.Com about producing the 78's again. He responded that I was the only one who ever asked for them and if enough people showed an interest, he would consider it. Although we all have the ability to buy the licenses and have these records made for resale, the cost is prohibitive for me. Oldies.Com has the inside track for pricing and production and would be the best bet. I doubt Rhino will ever do that again. It was a one shot deal. These 78's are very cool. If you're a 78 Rock & Roll collector, buy UK 78's. They're vinyl, not shellac. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:42 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows No problem Glen, we just wanted to set the "record" straight. I too have a stereo 78rpm. It's a 12" Robert Gordon (with Link Wray) , and it's a remake of the song "The Fool" . It was released in the late 70's, and one side has the song in stereo 78, and I think it's on 45 on the flip side. A cool novelty. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 2009, September, 16 2:53 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Glen Pitts wrote: > David & Mike, My apologies > for stating "stereo" on the 78's. With well over 50,000 records here, > it was just a mishap in language. > Sometimes things get confused. Well, stranger things have happened than stereo 78s! :-) I recall reading that the cartoonist [something - Frank?] Crumm (sp?), the guy who originated the poster in the 70s with a guy in a zoot suit swinging his watch chain, also had a jazz band that issued a stereo 78 in the 70s called "My Girlfriend's P****." In fact, the song on the other side of the record was, as I remember, cut at 33-1/3. Try playing *that* in a jukebox! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Wed Sep 16 15:23:51 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Wed Sep 16 15:25:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows References: <646398.6148.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A record of any size, at any speed, any color, mono or stereo or quad can be made. The more bizarre they are, the more fun they can be to find. How about Beatles on 78? They do exist. My Elvis 10" 45rpm box set is rare, but fun. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Glen Pitts wrote: > David & Mike, My apologies > for stating "stereo" on the 78's. With well over > 50,000 records here, it was just a mishap in language. > Sometimes things get confused. Well, stranger things have happened than stereo 78s! :-) I recall reading that the cartoonist [something - Frank?] Crumm (sp?), the guy who originated the poster in the 70s with a guy in a zoot suit swinging his watch chain, also had a jazz band that issued a stereo 78 in the 70s called "My Girlfriend's P****." In fact, the song on the other side of the record was, as I remember, cut at 33-1/3. Try playing *that* in a jukebox! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Sep 16 15:50:44 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 16 15:53:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI 200 Message-ID: <20090916.185044.11549.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Glenn: You should be very satisfied with that cartridge's performance. It's output will be slightly lower than the original GE VR model, so a slightly higher vol ctrl setting may be needed. Lighten the tone arm tracking to 4-5 grams. The stylus shank should not depress into it's blue housing as the tone arm is placed on the record. If it does, that's an indication of being too heavy. Tracking the cartridge too lightly will cause audio distortion to be heard when tracking loudly recorded passages, especially those at the inside of the record. Another adjustment you may need to check is the tone arm height adjustment during the record change cycle. The Shure cartridge may be slightly "taller" than the GE was when installed in the tone arm. When making an even-side selection, make sure that the stylus will not hit the gripper arm. It should clear by approx 1/8" or better. Last but not least, the record brush should lightly touch the stylus as it is stroked. "Heavy" brushing contact could damage the highly-compliant N44 stylus. Your service book will give you these adjustments. Wire the left and right cartridge outputs in parallel for best mono-sound performance. Good luck with your project, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to get Medical Insurance options that meet your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVvU2OHQ5HKq2oVaknwe1k6IUaIbGa8v18iRxvbnaUS8xR0oYvKy0/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Sep 16 16:19:36 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 16 16:23:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows Message-ID: <20090916.191936.29413.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Glen: Isn't Oldies. Com the factory-owned distribution arm of Collectables Records, different divisions of the same company? Since Collectables has already bought licensing rights to songs they use to press their catalog of repro 45's, are new licensing rights needed if they decide to issue the same works as 10" 78's? Just asking. In the late 90's I came across a box set of 50's-era reissue 78 RPM records that were made in England. Apparently this company issued several box sets. These were owned by one of my customers (they've moved away) that owns several nice 78 RPM jukes. I don't know who the record company was. These were high quality, thick vinyl pressings, with great sound quality. I've never seen these anywhere else. The other thing that made these unique is that the repro record company faithfully duplicated the original US record company's 78 RPM labels, colors, record numbers, print style etc. as used for the original issue of the song. As many of these repro discs were back to back hits by differing artists, each side had a different label on it. Is this considered a copywright violation to do this? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click now to get the general liability insurance you need to protect yourself! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdj17vLLtfVeXejwCSGP4XlSZ4ffSNoEn6PnAlOCQkJZF97OgdRuA/ From kjq45 at att.net Wed Sep 16 16:59:39 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:01:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows References: <20090916.191936.29413.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi Alexander, Yes, Oldies.Com owns and distributes the Collectables label records. In order to press titles on 78's, they would probably have to get a new license, as they probably met their quota on the 45's. You're only allowed to make X number of copies per license. Licenses are cheap. A title license might cost 12 cents per copy. The big cost comes with production. Having 100 copies made on 78 would cost me about $8 each. I wish I had your UK 78's. You have a real gem there. The UK recording studios produced some fantastic stuff. I have lots of original 78's that I would trade for UK labels. They have a better imagination than we do in the US. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows Glen: Isn't Oldies. Com the factory-owned distribution arm of Collectables Records, different divisions of the same company? Since Collectables has already bought licensing rights to songs they use to press their catalog of repro 45's, are new licensing rights needed if they decide to issue the same works as 10" 78's? Just asking. In the late 90's I came across a box set of 50's-era reissue 78 RPM records that were made in England. Apparently this company issued several box sets. These were owned by one of my customers (they've moved away) that owns several nice 78 RPM jukes. I don't know who the record company was. These were high quality, thick vinyl pressings, with great sound quality. I've never seen these anywhere else. The other thing that made these unique is that the repro record company faithfully duplicated the original US record company's 78 RPM labels, colors, record numbers, print style etc. as used for the original issue of the song. As many of these repro discs were back to back hits by differing artists, each side had a different label on it. Is this considered a copywright violation to do this? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click now to get the general liability insurance you need to protect yourself! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdj17vLLtfVeXejwCSGP4XlSZ4ffSNoEn6PnAlOCQkJZF97OgdRuA/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Sep 16 17:41:31 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:45:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows Message-ID: <20090916.204131.11306.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hi, Glenn: These are not 78's that I own. I operate a small juke repair/restoration business in the US and one of my former customers (they've moved away) had these unique boxed sets. I remember him saying that he bought them from a record merchant in the UK, (this was in the mid- 90's before internet sales became so big)and had them imported to the US. The "mice-type" at the bottom of the record labels said the records were made in England. While at this customers' house on a service call, you couldn't help but notice all the "like-new" 78 RPM records on labels like Chess, Vee-Jay, Brunswick, MGM, Dot, Sun etc. Upon a closer look, the flip sides had a different original label,different artist. This was a great idea for 24-select jukes that only played one side of the record. With regards to the Collectables records, I suppose the answer is to try to gin up customer interest in new repro 78's. I hope you have success with it. Only a very few of my customers have 78 RPM jukes these days. Those that have the early 50's "convertible machines" (i.e. Wurl 1400, 1600 etc) all prefer to operate them as 45 players. Maybe there will be more interest in new repro 78's after the economy here improves. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click now for prescreened plumbing contractors. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYePbkxGSWQI6PjyHRf4TrdkAV3H0Iw6NG7mZgnLdIO6zpy4Lqlp2w/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 16 17:55:32 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:57:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for a specific 78 rpm record Message-ID: I've started putting my 1015 back together and have been thinking about what I'm going to fill the trays with. One favorite I'm looking for is Percy Faith Orchestra covering "Theme From A Summer Place" (78 RPM) Does anyone have one to part with or know of someone who might? Appreciate any help in finding it. It has to be in good to excellent condition. Reproduction would be OK too. Maybe we should all list records we are willing to sell or swap to members on the list. Like a white elephant board just for records. Jay, would that be acceptable? Thanks! Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=digital+tv's&form=MSHNCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHNCB_Vertical_Shopping_DigitalTVs_1x1 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Sep 16 17:56:44 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 16 18:00:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RO 490 Alignment Instructions Online Message-ID: <20090916.205644.11306.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Dick Where did you have to go to get all the info that you attached today? This stuff is all missing from the 490 book? These pages are shown in a 480 manual. The 480 copy that I have appears to be a self-photocopied original,(pages printed on one side only) loaded into a loose-leafbinder. Like I mentioned, I bought the service library from a service shop that closed down in Florida 14 years ago. Today, I attempted to open the file you attached to your email to me. I couldn't open it. My computer firewall(?) said there was a virus detected. I was later able to see your RO posting that was an insertion on your website. At the time I responded, I didn't notice that you posted this on the juke-list. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for self-employed health insurance. Compare quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSUjXgJ6oN88nTRccIviureAvZul89LCGuWpD6FTrPKSKTfiK5VLq/ From kjq45 at att.net Wed Sep 16 18:48:19 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Wed Sep 16 18:49:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for a specific 78 rpm record References: Message-ID: There are lots of Percy Faith 78'a on Ebay, but not sure if your title is there. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for a specific 78 rpm record I've started putting my 1015 back together and have been thinking about what I'm going to fill the trays with. One favorite I'm looking for is Percy Faith Orchestra covering "Theme From A Summer Place" (78 RPM) Does anyone have one to part with or know of someone who might? Appreciate any help in finding it. It has to be in good to excellent condition. Reproduction would be OK too. Maybe we should all list records we are willing to sell or swap to members on the list. Like a white elephant board just for records. Jay, would that be acceptable? Thanks! Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=digital+tv's&form=MSHNCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHNCB_Vertical_Shopping_DigitalTVs_1x1_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 16 19:34:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 16 19:35:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V Reversing switch In-Reply-To: <07F90F10191C4532BB025302376C801B@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <623654.14668.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Adrian, Which way do you want to go--I have both the switch complete, or just the fiber part--- Switch is used (USD 130. +shipping) -- part new--(USD 30. includes shipping) Ron --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: From: Juke of Shrewsbury Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V Reversing switch To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 12:32 PM ...Thanks Ron, the customer who broke his wants to fit a replacement? Regards, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V Reversing switch Adrian, Yup---Very carefully ! Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: From: Juke of Shrewsbury Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V? Reversing switch To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 1:56 PM Anyone know if it's possible to replace the small insulating strip that mechanically couples all 4 of the switch poles together, without dismantling the switch? Thanks, Adrian. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.100/2373 - Release Date: 09/15/09 13:37:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Sep 17 00:05:21 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Sep 17 00:07:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows In-Reply-To: <20090916.191936.29413.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <520357.82708.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> -- On Wed, 9/16/09, James Alexander wrote: > Is this considered a copywright violation to do this?? Probably not copyright, since the label is strictly informational, but it could get you into trouble as a trademark violation unless you have permission to use the trademark. "His Master's Voice" is the worst of the bunch for clearance. It was owned by EMI in Europe, RCA in the Americas and Japan Victor (JVC) in Asia. JVC still uses it, but after all the merger madness amongst record companies in the west, no one seems to have the right to use it anywhere anymore. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Sep 17 00:09:25 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Sep 17 00:11:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for a specific 78 rpm record In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9519.83224.qm@web112109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 9/16/09, rick murray wrote: > One > favorite I'm looking for is Percy Faith Orchestra covering > "Theme >From A Summer Place"? (78 RPM)? Does anyone > have one to part with or know of someone who might? "A Summer Place" came out in 1960. Except for a smattering of blues and country labels, for all intents and purposes 78 production ceased in the US in 1958. The newest 78 I have is "At the Hop" which came out in late 58. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Sep 17 00:17:43 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Sep 17 00:19:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Records In-Reply-To: <20090915.170412.18097.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <622977.11944.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 9/15/09, James Alexander wrote: > I remember reading the fine print on one of the Seeburg > records (can't remember which series) that the rcords "were > specially recorded for Seeburg by RCA, using their talent > and studios". Does this shed any light on the subject? Both RCA Victor and Capitol made records for Seeburg's background music system, taking selections from their own catalogs. It would make sense that they made these records, too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Sep 17 06:22:13 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Sep 17 06:29:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for a specific 78 rpm record In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick, This record came out in 1960, so it's unlikely you'll find a USA pressing. I'm in Canada, and a friend of mine told me years ago that he heard it was released here, but I've never seen a copy. You may have to hunt down a Phillipines, South African, or India copy. In short, it's gonna be hard to find a copy. The other route to go is having a personal record cut for you. There are services on e-Bay that offer this, and this company: http://www.customrecords.com/custom_made_78rpm_jukebox_phonograph_record s.html Personally I like the idea of being able to list records for sale here, but I guess it's up to Jay and the group to decide. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of rick murray Sent: 2009, September, 16 8:56 PM To: jukebox list Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for a specific 78 rpm record I've started putting my 1015 back together and have been thinking about what I'm going to fill the trays with. One favorite I'm looking for is Percy Faith Orchestra covering "Theme From A Summer Place" (78 RPM) Does anyone have one to part with or know of someone who might? Appreciate any help in finding it. It has to be in good to excellent condition. Reproduction would be OK too. Maybe we should all list records we are willing to sell or swap to members on the list. Like a white elephant board just for records. Jay, would that be acceptable? Thanks! Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=digital+tv's&form=MSHNCB&publ=WLHM TAG&crea=TEXT_MSHNCB_Vertical_Shopping_DigitalTVs_1x1___________________ ____________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Sep 17 06:27:58 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Sep 17 06:29:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows In-Reply-To: <030AE2D9E1CF4F5EA760F163B49FE0B5@D41XWQ61> References: <59B42651B3074C14A12C54F515F67931@D41XWQ61><646398.6148.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <030AE2D9E1CF4F5EA760F163B49FE0B5@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: Glen can you give us the contact info for Oldies.Com? Who should we write to? If enough of us showed an interest in repro 78's , we might be able to get them to press a few. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Glen Pitts Sent: 2009, September, 16 6:18 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows FYI: I communicated with the owner of Oldies.Com about producing the 78's again. He responded that I was the only one who ever asked for them and if enough people showed an interest, he would consider it. Although we all have the ability to buy the licenses and have these records made for resale, the cost is prohibitive for me. Oldies.Com has the inside track for pricing and production and would be the best bet. I doubt Rhino will ever do that again. It was a one shot deal. These 78's are very cool. If you're a 78 Rock & Roll collector, buy UK 78's. They're vinyl, not shellac. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:42 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows No problem Glen, we just wanted to set the "record" straight. I too have a stereo 78rpm. It's a 12" Robert Gordon (with Link Wray) , and it's a remake of the song "The Fool" . It was released in the late 70's, and one side has the song in stereo 78, and I think it's on 45 on the flip side. A cool novelty. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 2009, September, 16 2:53 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Glen Pitts wrote: > David & Mike, My apologies > for stating "stereo" on the 78's. With well over 50,000 records here, > it was just a mishap in language. > Sometimes things get confused. Well, stranger things have happened than stereo 78s! :-) I recall reading that the cartoonist [something - Frank?] Crumm (sp?), the guy who originated the poster in the 70s with a guy in a zoot suit swinging his watch chain, also had a jazz band that issued a stereo 78 in the 70s called "My Girlfriend's P****." In fact, the song on the other side of the record was, as I remember, cut at 33-1/3. Try playing *that* in a jukebox! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Sep 17 07:53:33 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Sep 17 07:57:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for a specific 78 rpm record Message-ID: <20090917.105333.13330.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Rick: "Theme from a Summer Place" came out in 1960. Most US record companies were slowly phasing out their production of 78's by this time. Maybe it exists on 78 if you'll search for record labels from other countries. Here's a resource you might want to check out. I'm aware of a website and magazine publication based in VA. called Record Finders. ( web: www.recordfinders.com ) that is populated by record collectors. I believe they have an on-line store, auctions and on-line swap-meet style events. A lot of hard-to-find records show up here. I know their store has a special 78 RPM section (with a big listing) for sale. A word of warning,though: At this site, many of the buyers-sellers are concerned with first-edition pressings, limited issue album covers, labels, etc. Many of the records here are carrying collector prices. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Keep clean no matter where you are with a portable shower. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYUV4OUY1MgGxODZ5HLJl3KMiLIEjt37kx3nerllirMtuByp60D6IA/ From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 17 07:59:06 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Thu Sep 17 08:01:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <169206.77611.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Someone on the list wrote: If you're a 78 Rock & Roll collector, buy UK 78's. They're vinyl, not shellac. As far as I am aware, this is incorrect. The vast majority of UK issued 78s were shellac and only a few later issues were vinyl. But I am happy to be proved wrong. Gary From russodue at earthlink.net Tue Sep 15 22:05:57 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Thu Sep 17 09:48:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem Message-ID: <28239183.1253077557781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thank you Ron, Graeme and Jim for all your very helpful insight! You make it sound easy! I made it out to Victory Glass today and bought the service manual for my 1955 Rock-Ola 1448. They could not have been any nicer! I asked about a service tech in the event I should decide to have it given a once over. Lucky me, the tech they know of personally lives in my neighborhood! With the smart people here sharing learned knowledge, having Victory Glass near by (about 15 min drive) and a tech that lives in my neighborhood - I can't go wrong! I'll keep everyone here updated on my progress. Thanks everyone! Any other tips or tricks appreciated too. Tony -----Original Message----- >From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net >Sent: Sep 15, 2009 3:49 PM >To: Graeme Harvey , Jukebox mailing list >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem > >If you are careful, a propane torch directed on the casting for 15 seconds >will free the gripper. A little safer way is to use an ordinary hair dryer >for about 3 minutes. After running the gripper through the cycle several >times, I like to stop the gripper pointed straight up (use the >"scan/off/play" control switch) and flush it with some kind of penetrating >oil. Again, run it through the cycle many times and you may even heat it up >once more. Finally oil it good with 20 wt. oil of your choice. Common sense >is needed here - you will warp records if not careful. Good luck, > >Jim >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Graeme Harvey" >To: "Russo" ; "Jukebox mailing list" > >Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:17 AM >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 Rock-Ola 1448 - Gripper Drive Shaft Problem > > >>I had one from a 1448 that was seized. I tried soaking the whole gripper >>in degreaser and it did not budge. As a last attempt to fix it I put it >>in the oven on medium temperature, this worked. I watched as the grease >>ran out on to tin foil. It is no longer seized. I doubt that it >>could be pulled apart it was seized that bad. >> >> Graeme Harvey From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Thu Sep 17 12:41:25 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Thu Sep 17 12:48:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V Reversing switch References: <623654.14668.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <467B8BBE60904C3DBCD8531162B960C8@JUKEBUS> Hi Ron, As far as I know the rest of the switch is OK, so I just need the fiber linkage part. I think I still have $30 left in my US$ check account - will a check be OK? Thanks and regards, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V Reversing switch Hi Adrian, Which way do you want to go--I have both the switch complete, or just the fiber part--- Switch is used (USD 130. +shipping) -- part new--(USD 30. includes shipping) Ron --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: From: Juke of Shrewsbury Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V Reversing switch To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 12:32 PM ...Thanks Ron, the customer who broke his wants to fit a replacement Regards, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V Reversing switch Adrian, Yup---Very carefully ! Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: From: Juke of Shrewsbury Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V Reversing switch To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 1:56 PM Anyone know if it's possible to replace the small insulating strip that mechanically couples all 4 of the switch poles together, without dismantling the switch? Thanks, Adrian. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.100/2373 - Release Date: 09/15/09 13:37:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.101/2376 - Release Date: 09/16/09 11:21:00 From Michael.LYNN at rbs.com Thu Sep 17 02:43:53 2009 From: Michael.LYNN at rbs.com (Michael.LYNN@rbs.com) Date: Thu Sep 17 13:23:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 470 Message-ID: Anyone familiar with the 470 model? I am a new owner of a one of these, and I am having some small issues.. the player works fine but I have noticed that sometimes the gripper arm does not return the record after the record has played. and also I am getting popping sounds when the player is on ( and is amplified when record is playing ) having the manuals I am thinking that either the gripper motor relay in sticking? not releasing the arm.. deduction is that the micro switches are engaging the other functions like amp in/out. but not sure about the audio, the cracking/popping sounds carry on after the power is off, so I think it old caps maybe as they discharge.. ?? looking for some advice or guidance... thanks Mike *********************************************************************************** The Royal Bank of Scotland plc. Registered in Scotland No 90312. Registered Office: 36 St Andrew Square, Edinburgh EH2 2YB. Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. 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Visit our website at www.rbs.com *********************************************************************************** From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Sep 17 14:28:00 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Sep 17 14:31:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 470 Message-ID: <20090917.172800.15106.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hello Michael: Welcome to this group. Regarding your RockOla 470 juke questions, thee are several possibilities that can be causing these trouble symptoms. You'll need to do some investigation to better define the problems. I'll take your second issue first----the static heard in the sound system Do you only hear static when the machine is in the play mode or do you near noise out of the speakers when the juke is powered on, but at rest? Do you hear static out of the speakers when the mech is searching for a record choice? If you only hear static while the machine is playing, can you control the level and sound of the noise with the volume control, bass and treble switches? If yes, try unplugging the phono cartridge input jack (have vol ctrl turned down first) from the amp chassis. Does this stop the static? If it does, the offending problem is likely to be wiring, phono cartridge, etc located on the record changer. Old or out of tolerance capacitors can definitely cause static and noise. The average shelf life of most caps is 15-20 years. Your 470 juke is ean early 70's model. From strictly a time standpoint, your amp may need to be rebuilt. If the caps are defective, you will a. hear noise when the juke is at rest, selecting, or playing. b. Bad caps can cause noise if the volume is all the way down. c. If you hear static in the play mode, with volume control turned up, but the cartridge input disconnected, the problem is on the amp chassis. d. Defective chips or transistors can make a similar noise. Your other problem: Intermittent gripper arm operation. This problem can be either electrical or mechanical. Rock ola gripper mechs. that have not been lubricated will freeeze up in mid cycle. There's a great discussion thread on this list covering this from a guy named Russo and a RockOla 1448. On the bottom of the gripper motor is a knurled extension of the motor shaft, that will allow you to operate the gripper cycle by hand. It should turn rather freely. Make note of the gripper arm position when you do this and manually turn the shaft back to the same position so the gripper is not out of sync with the rest of the mech cycle. Misadjusted or defective microswitches can cause erratic operation of the gripper motor. Another thing to ook at are the armature and brush contacts of the gripper motor. Your manual should help shed light on both these issues. Good luck in your troubleshooting. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top brands, low prices. Find the right air conditioner for you. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTR2UL81ug5FxGltEuueiuMWoTiSrZV72753m9i1sETsNajKdPVss/ From ebayinjapan at yahoo.com Thu Sep 17 17:04:21 2009 From: ebayinjapan at yahoo.com (Christian Fischer) Date: Thu Sep 17 17:05:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Billboard Magazine Message-ID: <400791.49039.qm@web46205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I guess everyone of you knows already this delicious collection of vintage Billboard magazines featuring tons of ads and articles about our beloved jukes! If not, check this out! http://books.google.com/books?id=fUUEAAAAMBAJ&dq=billboard+magazine+1956&source=gbs_navlinks_s#all_issues_anchor I need a "nasty recommendation" from some IT expert to tell me how to download some of them! I want to have 'em!!! Kind regards. Chris. From kjq45 at att.net Thu Sep 17 17:29:01 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Thu Sep 17 17:30:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows References: <169206.77611.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <24244E29F5E94EF09B597EEAE8046161@D41XWQ61> I am the one who wrote that. I have dozens of UK 78's, most of which are vinyl. During the days of Fats Domino and Jerry Lee Lewis, the UK London label offered US released titles on vinyl. I have them. That's not to say that none of them are shellac. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Young" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:59 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows Someone on the list wrote: If you're a 78 Rock & Roll collector, buy UK 78's. They're vinyl, not shellac. As far as I am aware, this is incorrect. The vast majority of UK issued 78s were shellac and only a few later issues were vinyl. But I am happy to be proved wrong. Gary _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Thu Sep 17 17:49:06 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Thu Sep 17 17:50:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows References: <59B42651B3074C14A12C54F515F67931@D41XWQ61><646398.6148.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><030AE2D9E1CF4F5EA760F163B49FE0B5@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <26AB85D351E24EAB84447907E8BBB581@D41XWQ61> Jerry Greene is the owner of www.oldies.com and "Collectable Records." I don't remember the mailing address, but if you go to their web site and call the toll free ordering number, they will give it to you. Email requests get no response. Mail the letter. He did say that interest out here would be considered. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:27 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows Glen can you give us the contact info for Oldies.Com? Who should we write to? If enough of us showed an interest in repro 78's , we might be able to get them to press a few. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Glen Pitts Sent: 2009, September, 16 6:18 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows FYI: I communicated with the owner of Oldies.Com about producing the 78's again. He responded that I was the only one who ever asked for them and if enough people showed an interest, he would consider it. Although we all have the ability to buy the licenses and have these records made for resale, the cost is prohibitive for me. Oldies.Com has the inside track for pricing and production and would be the best bet. I doubt Rhino will ever do that again. It was a one shot deal. These 78's are very cool. If you're a 78 Rock & Roll collector, buy UK 78's. They're vinyl, not shellac. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:42 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows No problem Glen, we just wanted to set the "record" straight. I too have a stereo 78rpm. It's a 12" Robert Gordon (with Link Wray) , and it's a remake of the song "The Fool" . It was released in the late 70's, and one side has the song in stereo 78, and I think it's on 45 on the flip side. A cool novelty. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 2009, September, 16 2:53 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Glen Pitts wrote: > David & Mike, My apologies > for stating "stereo" on the 78's. With well over 50,000 records here, > it was just a mishap in language. > Sometimes things get confused. Well, stranger things have happened than stereo 78s! :-) I recall reading that the cartoonist [something - Frank?] Crumm (sp?), the guy who originated the poster in the 70s with a guy in a zoot suit swinging his watch chain, also had a jazz band that issued a stereo 78 in the 70s called "My Girlfriend's P****." In fact, the song on the other side of the record was, as I remember, cut at 33-1/3. 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L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From amej at ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 17 18:28:52 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Thu Sep 17 18:42:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RO 490 Alignment Instructions Online - also for RO 480 Message-ID: <4AB2E254.50105@ix.netcom.com> Hi Jim, I purchased the original manual that I have from an eBay sale. That was the reason I wanted to post the omission. ADDED: Per Jim, these instructions apply to the RO 480. True, I live North of Los Angeles, however, on the North side of the mountain range at 3,700 feet. I am in the "High Desert" of Southern California with Joshua Trees and other desert features. It is very dry. We normally get a good wind that will keep us cool and several snow falls each Winter. Usually, they only stay of a day before evaporating. The December snowfall was unusual; 18 inches of snow and it stayed for about one month. Our Summer highs are in the 110's and the Winter lows are about 18 degrees; we see freezing temperatures as soon as the Sun goes down. I just purchased an amplifier and computer from John Durfee at www.jukeboxparts.com. I will wait for these to arrive before I go any further with my RO 490. I did not use De-Oxit (on hand) but did wipe the pots with my screwdriver. It helped; more to do! I appreciate the hint. I made the 0.0015V adjustment. I found it hard to check the amplifier gain as described. I re-read the instructions and looked at the schematic. I think it would be easier to input a 0.010V 1KHz sinewave to each channel and adjust the gain to 0.054V at the point noted. Since this is subjective, I just listened, and adjusted, to the volume compared to normal volume control settings. There is still an intermittent problem that acts like a cold solder joint or socket/connector resistance condition. The left channel volume will drop suddenly and a tap on the amplifier will bring it back. I also bought a RO 506 Wallbox. I connected up the 25vac line and speaker lines. Since I cannot use the remote function, I jumped the speakers to the 490 output. I still have the lamps lit and speaker volume. A gerryrig at its best, but I can use it. I bought the auxiliary power supply but could not get the wallbox converter for the RO 507. I would still need both. I added these to my list for future purchases. Does anyone know where I can get these? I took new pictures of my Rock-Ola Jukebox and Wallbox. These will be added to my web site. Dick Habegger Phelan, CA ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Alexander" > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RO 490 Alignment Instructions Online > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Hello Dick: > > Thanks for reposting your scans of the service manual on your home page. It was easier for me to open that way. The amp instructions shown here are listed in the 480 service manual. The mech instructions are there as well. > You may want to post this on the juke list as a service for 80's RO owners. > BTW, i thought Phelan CA was slightly north of Santa Monica. Do you normally get that much snow so close to L.A.? > Or is my geography off? > > You need to be concerned with the page instructing you to adjust for .0015V. This can have an effect on your hot-running driver and output stages. In a perfect world, this adjustment wouldn't drift off of normal. What you may need to check, now that this amp is 20+ years old is that the PC pots are skritchy, dirty and have intermittent spots on them.. If you wish to clean the controls, the best chemical spray cleaner to use is Caig Labs' De-Oxit---much better over the long term than a generic can of tuner cleaner. > After cleaning the controls, approximate the correct mechanical setting and perform this test once again. > > Jim Alexander > From JHayes2613 at aol.com Thu Sep 17 18:55:34 2009 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Thu Sep 17 18:57:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Billboard Magazine In-Reply-To: <400791.49039.qm@web46205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <400791.49039.qm@web46205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9A151A9B-5D1D-4C35-B207-14FDFF2A4E90@aol.com> Go to September 25th, 1961 and scroll down to the four-color ad for the AMi Continental... amazing. The machine is cool, yeah, but the ad is gorgeous. On Sep 17, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Christian Fischer wrote: > I guess everyone of you knows already this delicious collection of > vintage Billboard magazines featuring tons of ads and articles about > our beloved jukes! If not, check this out! > > http://books.google.com/books?id=fUUEAAAAMBAJ&dq=billboard+magazine+1956&source=gbs_navlinks_s#all_issues_anchor > > I need a "nasty recommendation" from some IT expert to tell me how > to download some of them! I want to have 'em!!! > > Kind regards. > > Chris. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Sep 17 23:50:40 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Sep 17 23:52:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Billboard Magazine Message-ID: <20090918.025040.3531.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Hello Chris: If you would like to see photos of various US jukebox models, check out the website www.pinballrebel.com. One of the regular contributors (I believe the name is Stamann) to this list occasionally puts up links to a jukebox museum site in Europe and Germany, showcasing the models that were available there. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on detox treatments for drug & alcohol dependency. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWeRC6S3w19DrUWDg0gaCEetZED9XIB1z9VGLCrLQTWUG7sYFZoy8/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 18 00:24:10 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 18 00:27:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RO 490 Alignment Instructions Online - also for RO 480 Message-ID: <20090918.032410.15790.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Dick: Cold solder joints are possible but are not that common on printed-circuit equipment as recent as the 80's. Most boards at time of assembly were wave-soldered. I'd suggest that you look for a mechanically-based intermittent by gently tapping on the foil side of the PC board with a non-metallic pencil eraser. Most likely you will find a hair-line fracture in the board that needs to be repaired. The second source I would check for intermittents would be multi-pin connectors where wiring harnesses attach. Check the connecting pins themselves--sometimes they are tarnished or dirty. Last, there could be a faulty component. The "tap" test (top side of the board) or a spray-freeze may be needed if the failure is thermally-based. (intermittent becomes worse with temperature rise) I had no idea there were such seasonal temperature extremes in north-central CA. The last time I visited CA (over 10 years ago) I stayed in the Sausalito area. Summertime temps there stayed pretty consistent. Just saw a TV news bulletin here about the hardship that fruit/vegetable growers in the San Joaquin valley/Fresno area are experiencing due to lack of water. It looks severe. You should be happy with the condition of the spare components that you're getting from John Durfee. He's been a "go-to" source whenever I've needed to buy used original parts. Everything I ve purchased was always in better-preserved condition than expected. His prices are a little high, but are worth it, in my opinion. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ See the difference professional window cleaning can make. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWvrYoUuylEUv3h3qhZPvaCtFhSukFvglq0PgFHUV6YUXhFsqzHKw/ From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 18 00:39:47 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Fri Sep 18 00:41:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Shellac or Vinyl? In-Reply-To: <24244E29F5E94EF09B597EEAE8046161@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <716806.93681.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Glen wrote: I > have dozens of UK 78's, most of which are vinyl. > During the days of Fats Domino and Jerry Lee Lewis, the UK > London label offered US released titles on vinyl. I > have them. That's not to say that none of them are > shellac. Sorry Glen, I beg to differ. You may have a different view to me as to what you describe as "vinyl". If your London label 78s are brittle and can break, crack or chip easily, then they are most definitely shellac. If you can physically flex them, then they are vinyl. I have been a collector of 78s for many years and as far as I know all UK issued London label 78s were made of Shellac. What you seem to be saying is that your 78s are made from the same material as an LP. I am certainly not aware of any 78s by Jerry Lee Lewis or Fats Domino issued on Vinyl. I will conceed that some late 50s 78s by the likes of the Platters, Lonnie Donnigan and Petula Clark were issued on Vinyl. It would be good to get other members take on this. Gary --- On Fri, 18/9/09, Glen Pitts wrote: > From: Glen Pitts > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, 18 September, 2009, 1:29 AM > I am the one who wrote that.? I > have dozens of UK 78's, most of which are vinyl.? > During the days of Fats Domino and Jerry Lee Lewis, the UK > London label offered US released titles on vinyl.? I > have them.? That's not to say that none of them are > shellac.? Glen > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Young" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:59 AM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by > Cliff Richard&theShadows > > > Someone on the list wrote: > > If you're a 78 Rock & Roll collector, buy UK > 78's.? They're vinyl, not shellac. > > As far as I am aware, this is incorrect. The vast majority > of UK issued 78s were shellac and only a few later issues > were vinyl. But I am happy to be proved wrong. > > Gary > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From leovalk at hotmail.com Fri Sep 18 02:38:39 2009 From: leovalk at hotmail.com (leo valk) Date: Fri Sep 18 02:40:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Billboard Magazine/AMI CONTINENTAL AD In-Reply-To: <400791.49039.qm@web46205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <400791.49039.qm@web46205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Chris, I just had a look, and what a fantastic ad it is. What a great way to promote the AMI Continental. Anyone who wants to take a look: Scroll down to page 43. kind regards, Leo > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:04:21 -0700 > From: ebayinjapan@yahoo.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Billboard Magazine > > I guess everyone of you knows already this delicious collection of vintage Billboard magazines featuring tons of ads and articles about our beloved jukes! If not, check this out! > > http://books.google.com/books?id=fUUEAAAAMBAJ&dq=billboard+magazine+1956&source=gbs_navlinks_s#all_issues_anchor > > I need a "nasty recommendation" from some IT expert to tell me how to download some of them! I want to have 'em!!! > > Kind regards. > > Chris. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 18 09:11:33 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 18 09:13:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for a specific 78 rpm record In-Reply-To: <20090917.105333.13330.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <356864.15591.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 9/17/09, James Alexander wrote: > I'm aware of a website and magazine publication based in > VA. called Record Finders.? ? ? ? > (? web: www.recordfinders.com ) that is populated by > record collectors.??? I wouldn't say it's "populated" by record collectors, but by one record seller. But I've bought a lot of records from Record Finders over the years. It's a great place to find jukebox-grade 45s and 78s. Nothing particularly rare in any of their auctions that I've ever seen. You can get on their auction mailing list and they send out a tabloid format catalog every few months. Now's a great time to buy. I got an E- copy of Little Richard's "Long Tall Sally" at their last auction for under $10. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 18 09:13:54 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 18 09:15:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff Richard&theShadows In-Reply-To: <169206.77611.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <869856.88613.qm@web112119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 9/17/09, Gary Young wrote: > As far as I am aware, this is incorrect. The vast majority > of UK issued 78s were shellac and only a few later issues > were vinyl. But I am happy to be proved wrong. And HMV (EMI) was infamous for using really wretched shellac with a lot of regrind material in it. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 18 09:27:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 18 09:30:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for a specific 78 rpm record Message-ID: <20090918.122746.5025.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hello Dave: I'm glad that record finders has worked out for you. I've referred a few of my jukebox customers there that were searching for particular not-in-the-mainstream records. The feedback I got is that they successfully found the disc they were looking for, but the asking prices were higher than average. It seemed that this might be a logical stop for the poster who's trying to find a 78 copy of Percy Faith's "Summer Place". P.S. One of the last 10" 78 RPM-issue pop hit I recall seeing was Johnny Horton's "Battle of New Orleans",on Columbia. I think this was a hit in 1959. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrEgHTyV9qkMJAn5kX62zcc5WkS31khpU18O2x9S2dJGMaaGSKc/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 18 09:53:20 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 18 09:55:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for a specific 78 rpm record In-Reply-To: <20090918.122746.5025.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <572950.64107.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 9/18/09, James Alexander wrote: > I'm glad that record finders has worked out for you.? > I've referred a few of my jukebox customers there that were > searching for particular not-in-the-mainstream? > records.? ? The feedback I got is that they > successfully found the disc they were looking for, but the > asking prices were higher than average.? I've never bought anything from their fix-price sales, only the auctions. Here's a tip, although they don't publicize it much, you can enter bids with a "starting bid" ($3) and "ending bid". Usually they just say to enter a bid, and that's the price you pay if you win. The starting/ending bid makes it work much more like Kurt Nauck's auction, and using it I've saved a lot over what I would have offered as a fixed bid for some items. As a result, I bid on more items, so in the end I spend about the same amount of money. :-) From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Sep 18 11:21:34 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Sep 18 11:23:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Shellac or Vinyl? In-Reply-To: <716806.93681.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <24244E29F5E94EF09B597EEAE8046161@D41XWQ61> <716806.93681.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree with you Gary. I have several English late 1950's London pressings, and they are definitely shellac. I know that the Pye/Nixa label was pressing vinyl at the time,but the majority are shellac (and re-ground shellac as David mentioned). In Canada, Quality records (who also pressed Reo and Mercury) used "Metrolite" which is a type of heavy vinyl, and as such, Jerry Lee Lewis was on vinyl here (on the Quality label). -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Gary Young Sent: 2009, September, 18 3:40 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Shellac or Vinyl? Glen wrote: I > have dozens of UK 78's, most of which are vinyl. > During the days of Fats Domino and Jerry Lee Lewis, the UK London > label offered US released titles on vinyl. I have them. That's not > to say that none of them are shellac. Sorry Glen, I beg to differ. You may have a different view to me as to what you describe as "vinyl". If your London label 78s are brittle and can break, crack or chip easily, then they are most definitely shellac. If you can physically flex them, then they are vinyl. I have been a collector of 78s for many years and as far as I know all UK issued London label 78s were made of Shellac. What you seem to be saying is that your 78s are made from the same material as an LP. I am certainly not aware of any 78s by Jerry Lee Lewis or Fats Domino issued on Vinyl. I will conceed that some late 50s 78s by the likes of the Platters, Lonnie Donnigan and Petula Clark were issued on Vinyl. It would be good to get other members take on this. Gary --- On Fri, 18/9/09, Glen Pitts wrote: > From: Glen Pitts > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff > Richard&theShadows > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, 18 September, 2009, 1:29 AM I am the one who wrote that.? > I have dozens of UK 78's, most of which are vinyl. > During the days of Fats Domino and Jerry Lee Lewis, the UK London > label offered US released titles on vinyl.? I have them.? That's not > to say that none of them are shellac.? Glen > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Young" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:59 AM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New (!) 7" 45 rpm vinyl by Cliff > Richard&theShadows > > > Someone on the list wrote: > > If you're a 78 Rock & Roll collector, buy UK 78's.? They're vinyl, not > shellac. > > As far as I am aware, this is incorrect. The vast majority of UK > issued 78s were shellac and only a few later issues were vinyl. But I > am happy to be proved wrong. > > Gary > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 18 11:44:36 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 18 11:48:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for a specific 78 rpm record Message-ID: <20090918.144436.11107.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Dave: Since I was referring others to Recordfinders, I'm not sure how they made their purchases. At the time, I was told that you could directly buy items they had, participate in an auction, or buy items from other Recordfinders members using a listing service they offered. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Turn life into a beach with a new sandbox. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTiXyB3EN2zTaA4IrvdMGIaq0kZvMb9IbgwPtFcqvAmkv8JxZrycY/ From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 18 13:30:46 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Fri Sep 18 13:39:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beatles on 78 RPM Message-ID: <472362.33839.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> During the recent 78 RPM thread someone asked about The Beatles ever showing up on 78s. Here's some interesting stuff on that front: http://www.cool78s.com/colombia.html http://www.cool78s.com/india.html http://www.cool78s.com/argentina.html http://www.cool78s.com/philippines.html http://www.cool78s.com/first78.html http://www.cool78s.com/UK.html From kjq45 at att.net Fri Sep 18 16:39:55 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Fri Sep 18 16:41:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for a specific 78 rpm record References: <20090918.144436.11107.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <0186DBD624104F76B47308E93BDB0A12@D41XWQ61> I have found many hard to find record titles on this site. No auction; straight sales from individuals. http://www.musicstack.com/ Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] looking for a specific 78 rpm record Dave: Since I was referring others to Recordfinders, I'm not sure how they made their purchases. At the time, I was told that you could directly buy items they had, participate in an auction, or buy items from other Recordfinders members using a listing service they offered. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Turn life into a beach with a new sandbox. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTiXyB3EN2zTaA4IrvdMGIaq0kZvMb9IbgwPtFcqvAmkv8JxZrycY/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Sep 18 19:13:35 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Sep 18 19:15:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Billboard Magazine In-Reply-To: <400791.49039.qm@web46205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <400791.49039.qm@web46205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090919021227.M82077@dwave.net> Thanks for posting this Chris. I found several interesting adds and articles in just a short time. Jeremy Agema On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:04:21 -0700 (PDT), Christian Fischer wrote > I guess everyone of you knows already this delicious collection of vintage Billboard magazines featuring tons of ads and articles about our beloved jukes! If not, check this out! > > http://books.google.com/books?id=fUUEAAAAMBAJ&dq=billboard+magazine+1956&source=gbs_navlinks_s#all_issues_anchor > > I need a "nasty recommendation" from some IT expert to tell me how to download some of them! I want to have 'em!!! > > Kind regards. > > Chris. > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Sep 18 19:35:19 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Sep 18 19:37:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] message test Message-ID: <20090919023335.M56086@dwave.net> Just a test to check if a new message will get posted. My replies don't seem to be getting posted (I did check the archives). Thanks Jeremy Agema P.S. that billboard link that Chris posted is pretty cool From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Sep 18 19:38:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Sep 18 19:40:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] message test In-Reply-To: <20090919023335.M56086@dwave.net> Message-ID: <288905.44057.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jeremy, Got two posts in a short time-- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: From: Jeremy Agema Subject: [Jukebox-list] message test To: "Jukebox list" Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 7:35 PM Just a test to check if a new message will get posted. My replies don't seem to be getting posted (I did check the archives). Thanks Jeremy Agema P.S. that billboard link that Chris posted is pretty cool _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Fri Sep 18 19:41:05 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Fri Sep 18 19:42:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] message test Message-ID: I am in the same boat. Am interested in responses. Wurlyman700 ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox list Sent: Fri Sep 18 22:35:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] message test Just a test to check if a new message will get posted. My replies don't seem to be getting posted (I did check the archives). Thanks Jeremy Agema P.S. that billboard link that Chris posted is pretty cool _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 18 19:41:56 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 18 19:44:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for a specific 78 rpm record Message-ID: <20090918.224156.12756.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Thanks for the referral to Musicstacks. Jim Aexander ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9BYBcdQILroCRO6jdKNxD1JSNJzEMOkjtyt42BoD7JNz2lFlTq/ From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Sep 18 19:48:19 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Sep 18 19:50:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] message test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090919024535.M54276@dwave.net> Thanks for letting me know that they are coming through. One from yesterday didn't post and one from last week didn't post (someone was asking if they have heard anything from me lately - still here - just lurking most of the time). Jeremy Agema On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:41:05 -0400, Alan Armstrong wrote > I am in the same boat. > > Am interested in responses. > > Wurlyman700 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > To: Jukebox list > Sent: Fri Sep 18 22:35:19 2009 > Subject: [Jukebox-list] message test > > Just a test to check if a new message will get posted. My replies don't seem to be getting posted (I did check the archives). > > Thanks > > Jeremy Agema > > P.S. that billboard link that Chris posted is pretty cool > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From donshawnmyself at aol.com Fri Sep 18 20:35:03 2009 From: donshawnmyself at aol.com (donshawnmyself@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 18 20:41:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Complete original W1015 on Houston Craigslist Message-ID: <8CC06F14F365B6C-4840-26DDF@webmail-m010.sysops.aol.com> If anyone is interested there is an original Wurlitzer 1015 on Houston Craigslist. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 18 23:37:57 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 18 23:39:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Shellac or Vinyl? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <359580.37254.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > In Canada, Quality records (who also pressed Reo and > Mercury) used "Metrolite" which is a type of heavy vinyl, > and as such, Jerry Lee Lewis was on vinyl here (on the > Quality label). Interesting - I think that's what MGM Records called their "unbreakable" records in the late 50s. As I recall, they contained some filler and were not particularly quiet for vinyl, but I may have this confused with MGM's earlier shellac records which were also very noisy. I've never heard a quiet Hank Williams pressing from MGM. From kjq45 at att.net Sat Sep 19 08:33:30 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sat Sep 19 08:35:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Shellac or Vinyl? References: <359580.37254.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David, Thank you. I'm not about to flex any record for its composition. I was not aware of "Metrolite", but I guess that's what I'm refering to. I also have some Quality and Reo labels out of Canada. Yes, Hank Williams wasn't a quiet pressing. I have several and know what you mean. What's interesting is that I can't stand the quiet in remastered Cd's. I grew up on the noise and expect to hear it. When the copy is too clean, something seems to be missing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Shellac or Vinyl? > > --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > > >> In Canada, Quality records (who also pressed Reo and >> Mercury) used "Metrolite" which is a type of heavy vinyl, >> and as such, Jerry Lee Lewis was on vinyl here (on the >> Quality label). > > Interesting - I think that's what MGM Records called their > "unbreakable" records in the late 50s. As I recall, they > contained some filler and were not particularly quiet for > vinyl, but I may have this confused with MGM's earlier > shellac records which were also very noisy. I've never > heard a quiet Hank Williams pressing from MGM. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Sep 19 09:58:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Sep 19 10:00:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Shellac or Vinyl? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <554351.99546.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Glen, Ain't that interesting---I remember hearing FM stereo radio for the first time--was totally disappointed, as NOTHING "sounded right" to me. First song I heard was the Doors, "Light my Fire". I waited for the long instrumental organ bridge in the song, and just hated what they did to it---Ron Rich --- On Sat, 9/19/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Shellac or Vinyl? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 8:33 AM David,? Thank you.? I'm not about to flex any record for its composition.? I was not aware of "Metrolite", but I guess that's what I'm refering to.? I also have some Quality and Reo labels out of Canada.? Yes, Hank Williams wasn't a quiet pressing.? I have several and know what you mean.? What's interesting is that I can't stand the quiet in remastered Cd's.? I grew up on the noise and expect to hear it.? When the copy is too clean, something seems to be missing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Shellac or Vinyl? > > --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > > >> In Canada, Quality records (who also pressed Reo and >> Mercury) used "Metrolite" which is a type of heavy vinyl, >> and as such, Jerry Lee Lewis was on vinyl here (on the >> Quality label). > > Interesting - I think that's what MGM Records called their > "unbreakable" records in the late 50s.? As I recall, they > contained some filler and were not particularly quiet for > vinyl, but I may have this confused with MGM's earlier > shellac records which were also very noisy.? I've never > heard a quiet Hank Williams pressing from MGM. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Sat Sep 19 10:21:10 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sat Sep 19 10:22:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Shellac or Vinyl? References: <554351.99546.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <290C792E5BE341A78C88998AD2C099D6@D41XWQ61> Ron, I too remember hearing FM for the first time on my 5 tube table top radio. It was about the same time I unplugged the speaker in a Seeburg B100 while it was on. The only part I remember is never to do that again. Your memory is better than mine, as I do not recall the first song I heard. FM was fascinating, as it was the new thing, but AM was the intense interest. Shooting skip at night was a hobby. The winner for me was KCPX in Salt Lake City; a 1K evening station that used the Great Salt Lake for the antenna ground. When their efficient nighttime signal captured local California stations, FCC refused to renew their antenna license. Another example of private efficiency being controlled by Big Brother. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Shellac or Vinyl? Glen, Ain't that interesting---I remember hearing FM stereo radio for the first time--was totally disappointed, as NOTHING "sounded right" to me. First song I heard was the Doors, "Light my Fire". I waited for the long instrumental organ bridge in the song, and just hated what they did to it---Ron Rich --- On Sat, 9/19/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Shellac or Vinyl? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 8:33 AM David, Thank you. I'm not about to flex any record for its composition. I was not aware of "Metrolite", but I guess that's what I'm refering to. I also have some Quality and Reo labels out of Canada. Yes, Hank Williams wasn't a quiet pressing. I have several and know what you mean. What's interesting is that I can't stand the quiet in remastered Cd's. I grew up on the noise and expect to hear it. When the copy is too clean, something seems to be missing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Shellac or Vinyl? > > --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > > >> In Canada, Quality records (who also pressed Reo and >> Mercury) used "Metrolite" which is a type of heavy vinyl, >> and as such, Jerry Lee Lewis was on vinyl here (on the >> Quality label). > > Interesting - I think that's what MGM Records called their > "unbreakable" records in the late 50s. As I recall, they > contained some filler and were not particularly quiet for > vinyl, but I may have this confused with MGM's earlier > shellac records which were also very noisy. I've never > heard a quiet Hank Williams pressing from MGM. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Sat Sep 19 10:30:24 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sat Sep 19 10:32:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl Vs Cd Jukes Message-ID: <2737457A166847A2AA5160B1DDDEFD70@D41XWQ61> Is it my imagination, or do record jukeboxes sound different than Cd models. It's not the digital remastering; Cd's just have a different sound. I describe records as having a "Warm" sound. Having thousands of records and hundreds of Cd's, I favor the records any day. A juke playing a visible playing 45 offers me the fullness of music. Glen From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Sep 19 11:29:15 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Sep 19 11:30:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl Vs Cd Jukes In-Reply-To: <2737457A166847A2AA5160B1DDDEFD70@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <472906.28701.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Glen, Your thinking agrees with mine--although I don't care if I see the record playing or not (guess I've seen way too many !)? I have two jukes set-up as "testers". One is a 45rpm Seeburg STD-4, and the other is a RoweAMi CD player. I have some of the same songs on both, and have, just for the fun of it, used the Rowe amp/cabinet set-up to play both. The record versions always sound better to my ears--- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 9/19/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl Vs Cd Jukes To: "Jukebox List" Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 10:30 AM Is it my imagination, or do record jukeboxes sound different than Cd models.? It's not the digital remastering; Cd's just have a different sound.? I describe records as having a "Warm" sound. Having thousands of records and hundreds of Cd's, I favor the records any day.? A juke playing a visible playing 45 offers me the fullness of music.???Glen _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Sep 19 12:37:23 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Sep 19 12:39:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking In-Reply-To: <20090916.204131.11306.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090916.204131.11306.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000c01ca3960$9c7ea6b0$d57bf410$@force9.co.uk> There's been a few threads recently about dinking records. Most people are only familiar with the hobby type dinking tools, so I thought I'd post up a video of the proper tool used in the 1970's/80s in the UK for removing the solid record centres. Take a look at the quick video clip below:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkKV6H7O4Jo Regards Nigel, UK From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Sep 19 13:56:56 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Sep 19 13:58:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking In-Reply-To: <000c01ca3960$9c7ea6b0$d57bf410$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <852690.7677.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nige, Kool--but do you need the stone blocks underneath it ?? Stepping up on a stone hedge about 30 years ago, cost me a broken ankle--- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 9/19/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 12:37 PM There's been a few threads recently about dinking records. Most people are only familiar with the hobby type dinking tools, so I thought I'd post up a video of the proper tool used in the 1970's/80s in the UK for removing the solid record centres. Take a look at the quick video clip below:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkKV6H7O4Jo Regards Nigel, UK _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Sat Sep 19 15:36:03 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sat Sep 19 15:37:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking In-Reply-To: <000c01ca3960$9c7ea6b0$d57bf410$@force9.co.uk> References: <20090916.204131.11306.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> <000c01ca3960$9c7ea6b0$d57bf410$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <98A225C8A2884001B183A6B164745ADC@CHRISLAPTOP> Wow, ?125 in the day ? That's like USD $200! Were they really foot operated though ? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking > There's been a few threads recently about dinking records. > > Most people are only familiar with the hobby type dinking tools, so I > thought I'd post up a video of the proper tool used in the 1970's/80s in > the > UK for removing the solid record centres. > > Take a look at the quick video clip below:- > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkKV6H7O4Jo > > Regards > > > Nigel, UK > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 19 19:06:38 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Sat Sep 19 19:08:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs Message-ID: <711588.35375.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Are you guys going to argue tubes vs. solid state? John the Jukebox Man From kjq45 at att.net Sat Sep 19 19:28:36 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sat Sep 19 19:30:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs References: <711588.35375.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, that's in addition to the vinyl sound. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs > Are you guys going to argue tubes vs. solid state? > > > > > > John the Jukebox Man > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From charlie.morgan at cox.net Sat Sep 19 21:12:55 2009 From: charlie.morgan at cox.net (Charlie Morgan) Date: Sat Sep 19 21:14:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted Seeburg HF100R Electrical Selector or Parts Message-ID: <49B68893F09248388DEDD614231132FA@CharliePC> For a Seeburg HF100R does anyone happen to have an Electrical Selector Type ES11-L6 for sale or parts for one?? I actually just need parts, but there are so many parts it is probably easier to buy another whole assemby. Wiring and latch solenoid are not important, don't need those. Ok if electrical boards or contacts are broken. Broken switch plates ok. It is mainly the Latch level assembly parts, Lock Pawls and some other misc mechanical pieces that I am missing. So please let me know if you have anything that fits that description, complete or not, working or not. Thanks Charlie Morgan charlie.morgan@cox.net From jay at west.net Sat Sep 19 21:34:16 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Sep 19 21:35:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted Seeburg HF100R Electrical Selector or Parts In-Reply-To: <49B68893F09248388DEDD614231132FA@CharliePC> References: <49B68893F09248388DEDD614231132FA@CharliePC> Message-ID: <4AB5B0C8.2020305@west.net> Charlie Morgan wrote: > For a Seeburg HF100R does anyone happen to have an Electrical Selector Type ES11-L6 for sale or parts for one?? > > I actually just need parts, but there are so many parts it is probably easier to buy another whole assemby. Wiring and latch solenoid are not important, don't need those. Ok if electrical boards or contacts are broken. Broken switch plates ok. It is mainly the Latch level assembly parts, Lock Pawls and some other misc mechanical pieces that I am missing. > > So please let me know if you have anything that fits that description, complete or not, working or not. The HF100R is the most desirable of several Seeburgs with similar selectors. If you widen your search to include the G, W, and J you may have more luck. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From webmaster at guestwho.com Sat Sep 19 22:22:44 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sat Sep 19 22:24:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulitzer 543 Amp - Volume pot Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone have a replacement volume control pot for the wurlitzer 543 amp ? (it's for my 2600) This is what the markings are: 500K 304-6204 120699 Mine is frozen (won't turn), and the back part of the shaft is broken off (where the motor for remote volume would attach). Chris From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Sep 19 23:28:04 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Sep 19 23:30:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulitzer 543 Amp - Volume pot Message-ID: <20090920.022804.19239.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hello,Chris: If it's at all possible, you should try to salvage or repair the control that you have. It's unusual and not a commonly available value. This is a 500K ohm stereo volume control where each section has 2 center-taps. (to operate loudness contour circuits) When the pot's shaft simply won't turn, you can usually fix whatever is binding unless the control was somehow burnt. It is a variable resistor. You may need to carefully open up the control casing by carefully prying up the tabs on it. Make sure you've removed the motorized remote control setup and check the pot for manual operation. The remote motor can bind the control's rotation. If you need to get a replacement control, you'll probably need to find a junked amplifier chassis. Sometimes these are cheap on E Bay. The same pot is used on a number of 60's stereo amp models. Possibly you can buy a used pot from one of the jukebox salvage parts guys. 2300S,2400S,2500S,2600,2700,2800 or their 100-select equivalents use this control value. It's unlikely that you'll find this value as a universally available electronic part. Sorry that I don't have better news for you. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrC9T02OwrJA0ah6OZHGqW019i1wCtMbnZ2NB0eyuK7WLHLqSrO/ From webmaster at guestwho.com Sun Sep 20 00:02:29 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sun Sep 20 00:04:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulitzer 543 Amp - Volume pot In-Reply-To: <20090920.022804.19239.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090920.022804.19239.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Jim, I don't have a motor attached - the end that the motor would attach to is broken so I couldn't attach it anyway. What is this "loudness countour"? The center taps would explain all the extra terminals. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulitzer 543 Amp - Volume pot Hello,Chris: If it's at all possible, you should try to salvage or repair the control that you have. It's unusual and not a commonly available value. This is a 500K ohm stereo volume control where each section has 2 center-taps. (to operate loudness contour circuits) When the pot's shaft simply won't turn, you can usually fix whatever is binding unless the control was somehow burnt. It is a variable resistor. You may need to carefully open up the control casing by carefully prying up the tabs on it. Make sure you've removed the motorized remote control setup and check the pot for manual operation. The remote motor can bind the control's rotation. If you need to get a replacement control, you'll probably need to find a junked amplifier chassis. Sometimes these are cheap on E Bay. The same pot is used on a number of 60's stereo amp models. Possibly you can buy a used pot from one of the jukebox salvage parts guys. 2300S,2400S,2500S,2600,2700,2800 or their 100-select equivalents use this control value. It's unlikely that you'll find this value as a universally available electronic part. Sorry that I don't have better news for you. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrC9T02OwrJA0ah6OZHGqW019i1wCtMbnZ2NB0eyuK7WLHLqSrO/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 00:14:04 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Sep 20 00:15:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs In-Reply-To: <711588.35375.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <462900.53225.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 9/19/09, John wrote: > Are you guys going to argue tubes vs. > solid state? Would you like us to? :-) Seriously, I can't see how it would make much difference in a jukebox, which is not designed for "critical listening." The main advantage tubes offer in some applications is that when over-driven they produce distortion in the form of harmonics. Transistors produce distortion in the form of clipping. If you use your amplifier properly, it's not an issue. But don't tell the audiophools that. It's all about that PHAT TOOB SOUND, dude! From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Sep 20 01:57:24 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Sep 20 01:59:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking In-Reply-To: <98A225C8A2884001B183A6B164745ADC@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <20090916.204131.11306.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> <000c01ca3960$9c7ea6b0$d57bf410$@force9.co.uk> <98A225C8A2884001B183A6B164745ADC@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <001801ca39d0$5f5e8050$1e1b80f0$@force9.co.uk> I just checked the Philip Shefras catalogue from the 1980's and it says hand operated. I've just got used to using my foot in it. Nige -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Chris Ralph Sent: 19 September 2009 23:36 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking Wow, ?125 in the day ? That's like USD $200! Were they really foot operated though ? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking > There's been a few threads recently about dinking records. > > Most people are only familiar with the hobby type dinking tools, so I > thought I'd post up a video of the proper tool used in the 1970's/80s in > the > UK for removing the solid record centres. > > Take a look at the quick video clip below:- > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkKV6H7O4Jo > > Regards > > > Nigel, UK > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Sep 20 01:58:33 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Sep 20 02:00:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking In-Reply-To: <852690.7677.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <000c01ca3960$9c7ea6b0$d57bf410$@force9.co.uk> <852690.7677.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901ca39d0$887573e0$99605ba0$@force9.co.uk> Stone blocks not an essential requirement Ron :-) Was just easier for my daughter to film me. Nige -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 19 September 2009 21:57 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking Nige, Kool--but do you need the stone blocks underneath it ?? Stepping up on a stone hedge about 30 years ago, cost me a broken ankle--- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 9/19/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 12:37 PM There's been a few threads recently about dinking records. Most people are only familiar with the hobby type dinking tools, so I thought I'd post up a video of the proper tool used in the 1970's/80s in the UK for removing the solid record centres. Take a look at the quick video clip below:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkKV6H7O4Jo Regards Nigel, UK _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 02:10:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 20 02:11:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulitzer 543 Amp - Volume pot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <212150.17493.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Try www.verntisdale.com? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 9/19/09, Chris Ralph wrote: From: Chris Ralph Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulitzer 543 Amp - Volume pot To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 10:22 PM Hi all, Does anyone have a replacement volume control pot for the wurlitzer 543 amp ? (it's for my 2600) This is what the markings are: 500K 304-6204 120699 Mine is frozen (won't turn), and the back part of the shaft is broken off (where the motor for remote volume would attach). Chris _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 02:38:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 20 02:40:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Can o' worms was 45 vs CDs In-Reply-To: <462900.53225.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <284356.96960.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Oh, Man--you guyz have really opened a can o' worms now--- What about gold plated connectors (RCA Plugs--never have seen a gold plated RCA socket--do they make them?)--sub wooooofers--gotta rattle your house as loud as your car-- I'm sure others can contribute their 2 cents, but I don't know if I want to encourage that ?? lol Ron Rich --- On Sat, 9/19/09, John wrote: > Are you guys going to argue tubes vs. > solid state? --- On Sun, 9/20/09, David Breneman wrote Would you like us to?? :-) Seriously, I can't see how it would make much difference in a jukebox, which is not designed for "critical listening." The main advantage tubes offer in some applications is that when over-driven they produce distortion in the form of harmonics.? Transistors produce distortion in the form of clipping.? If you use your amplifier properly, it's not an issue.? But don't tell the audiophools that.? It's all about that PHAT TOOB SOUND, dude! ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 02:45:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 20 02:47:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking In-Reply-To: <001901ca39d0$887573e0$99605ba0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <309202.80694.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nige, Careful, there are "people" out there looking for "Big Foot" !!? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 1:58 AM Stone blocks not an essential requirement Ron :-) Was just easier for my daughter to film me. Nige -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 19 September 2009 21:57 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking Nige, Kool--but do you need the stone blocks underneath it ?? Stepping up on a stone hedge about 30 years ago, cost me a broken ankle--- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 9/19/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Dinking To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 12:37 PM There's been a few threads recently about dinking records. Most people are only familiar with the hobby type dinking tools, so I thought I'd post up a video of the proper tool used in the 1970's/80s in the UK for removing the solid record centres. Take a look at the quick video clip below:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkKV6H7O4Jo Regards Nigel, UK _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 02:55:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 20 02:57:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted Seeburg HF100R Electrical Selector or Parts In-Reply-To: <49B68893F09248388DEDD614231132FA@CharliePC> Message-ID: <647554.12335.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Charlie, Contact me "off list"--I may have what you need -- ronnnrich@yahoo.com? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 9/19/09, Charlie Morgan wrote: From: Charlie Morgan Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted Seeburg HF100R Electrical Selector or Parts To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 9:12 PM For a Seeburg HF100R does anyone happen to have an Electrical Selector Type ES11-L6 for sale or parts for one?? I actually just need parts, but there are so many parts it is probably easier to buy another whole assemby.? Wiring and latch solenoid are not important, don't need those.? Ok if electrical boards or contacts are broken.? Broken switch plates ok.? It is mainly the Latch level assembly parts, Lock Pawls and some other misc mechanical pieces that I am missing. So please let me know if you have anything that fits that description, complete or not, working or not. Thanks Charlie Morgan charlie.morgan@cox.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 03:50:16 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Sep 20 03:52:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Can o' worms was 45 vs CDs In-Reply-To: <284356.96960.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <398915.73132.qm@web112114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Ron Rich wrote: > What about gold plated connectors (RCA Plugs--never have > seen a gold plated RCA socket--do they make them?)--sub > wooooofers--gotta rattle your house as loud as your car-- > I'm sure others can contribute their 2 cents, but I don't > know if I want to encourage that ?? lol Don't forget power cords soaked in liquid nitrogen! It supposedly causes the copper molecules to line up better. Of course, the fact that all the wiring from the electric generator to your house wasn't soaked in nitrogen doesn't seem to matter. :-) From kjq45 at att.net Sun Sep 20 09:17:15 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Sep 20 09:18:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Can o' worms was 45 vs CDs References: <398915.73132.qm@web112114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <21AF7B7621A04343A115AE2C7FFBF6FB@D41XWQ61> Dave, Yeh, some of those audio guys actually go for all that. Could be that's a status symbol thing more than good audio. Most, if not all my audio gear is someone else's junk. Well, it's not really junk, but I didn't buy it new. I have a set of Boston tower speakers that a friend gave me. I had to recome all the speakers. The amp is a Carver someone gave me. No gold plugs. I guess I'm just one of those old fashioned guys who likes old technology; records and tubes. You're right, it is a huge can of worms and the bottom line is that people should gear up what they like. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Can o' worms was 45 vs CDs > > --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > >> What about gold plated connectors (RCA Plugs--never have >> seen a gold plated RCA socket--do they make them?)--sub >> wooooofers--gotta rattle your house as loud as your car-- >> I'm sure others can contribute their 2 cents, but I don't >> know if I want to encourage that ?? lol > > > Don't forget power cords soaked in liquid nitrogen! > It supposedly causes the copper molecules to line up > better. Of course, the fact that all the wiring from > the electric generator to your house wasn't soaked > in nitrogen doesn't seem to matter. :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Sun Sep 20 09:19:45 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Sep 20 09:28:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs References: <462900.53225.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7E3E0C257BE54B27B132F65B82E85777@D41XWQ61> Dave, Nope, not going to argue that one. I run Carver solid state amps, but I do like tubes. Now, what would look nice and sound good is a pair of Rock-Ola Princess tube amps. Those are warm and rich sounding. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs > > > --- On Sat, 9/19/09, John wrote: > > >> Are you guys going to argue tubes vs. >> solid state? > > > Would you like us to? :-) > > Seriously, I can't see how it would make much difference > in a jukebox, which is not designed for "critical listening." > The main advantage tubes offer in some applications is that > when over-driven they produce distortion in the form of > harmonics. Transistors produce distortion in the form > of clipping. If you use your amplifier properly, it's > not an issue. But don't tell the audiophools that. It's > all about that PHAT TOOB SOUND, dude! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 10:37:28 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 20 10:39:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs In-Reply-To: <7E3E0C257BE54B27B132F65B82E85777@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <870117.17065.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Glen, Are those the "purple" colored ones ?? If so, they MIGHT look "nice" in some settings--but, I can't think of one, off hand. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 9:19 AM Dave,? Nope, not going to argue that one.? I run Carver solid state amps, but I do like tubes.? Now, what would look nice and sound good is a pair of Rock-Ola Princess tube amps.? Those are warm and rich sounding. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs > > > --- On Sat, 9/19/09, John wrote: > > >> Are you guys going to argue tubes vs. >> solid state? > > > Would you like us to?? :-) > > Seriously, I can't see how it would make much difference > in a jukebox, which is not designed for "critical listening." > The main advantage tubes offer in some applications is that > when over-driven they produce distortion in the form of > harmonics.? Transistors produce distortion in the form > of clipping.? If you use your amplifier properly, it's > not an issue.? But don't tell the audiophools that.? It's > all about that PHAT TOOB SOUND, dude! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From asian-jewel at worldfriend.com Sun Sep 20 03:49:59 2009 From: asian-jewel at worldfriend.com (Asian Jewel) Date: Sun Sep 20 11:43:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 aux input on 532 amp In-Reply-To: 20060120200003.84500AAB33@lists.netlojix.com Message-ID: <513EFF54DBBB4BB39DF6C00BB238F9E1@PanoraPC> Hello my neighbor has a Wurlitzer jukebox 1900, and when she switches it on all the power come`s on and lights up but will not play, or the mechanical parts wont work. any ideas as we live in sri lanka and I don't think they have ever heard off or seen one before many thanks Dale Asian Jewel Boutique Hotel Field View Baddegama Road Nalagasdeniya Hikkaduwa Sri Lanka Phone 0094 914931388 Mobile +94 775465385 Web Site www.asian-jewel.com Rated no 1 Hotel in Hikkaduwa & also no 1 in Sri Lanka by tripadvisor for independant reviews on this hotel go to http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g304134-d1009523-Reviews-Asian_Jewel_Boutique_Hotel-Hikkaduwa.html Note: If you do not receive a reply from us within 24 hours, it means that we have not received the communication. May we then request you to kindly resend the same, or call us and we call you right back. `THE HIDDEN JEWEL IN HIKKADUWA` From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 12:00:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 20 12:02:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 aux input on 532 amp In-Reply-To: <513EFF54DBBB4BB39DF6C00BB238F9E1@PanoraPC> Message-ID: <762702.88006.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Dale, Do you have a copy of the Service Manual ? If so, it would help -- look at the "safety switch" which is located behind the "fan" where the records are played. Also check the "Record Load switch" which is located on the front of the shelf that has the whole mechanism sitting on it--It is somewhat hidden under the record basket-it moves R-L. Good luck, --oh, one more thing--look for the "motor switch" inside rear somewhere--then check all fuses--be SURE that they are of the right type !!! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Asian Jewel wrote: From: Asian Jewel Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 aux input on 532 amp To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 3:49 AM Hello my neighbor has a Wurlitzer jukebox 1900, and when she switches it on all the power come`s on and lights up but will not play, or the mechanical parts wont work. any ideas as we live in sri lanka and I don't think they have ever heard off or seen one before many thanks Dale Asian Jewel Boutique Hotel Field View Baddegama Road Nalagasdeniya Hikkaduwa Sri Lanka Phone 0094 914931388 Mobile? +94 775465385 Web Site? www.asian-jewel.com Rated no 1 Hotel in Hikkaduwa & also no 1 in Sri Lanka by tripadvisor for independant reviews on this hotel go to http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g304134-d1009523-Reviews-Asian_Jewel_Boutique_Hotel-Hikkaduwa.html Note: If you do not receive a reply from us within 24 hours, it means that we have not received the communication. May we then request you to kindly resend the same, or call us and we call you right back. ? ? ? ? ???`THE HIDDEN JEWEL IN HIKKADUWA` _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Sun Sep 20 13:14:37 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Sun Sep 20 13:16:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI D40 button bank mounting question Message-ID: <4AB68D2D.8030603@sparksandarcs.net> Hey folks, My D-40 arrived in boxes as someone else's abandoned project, post-disassembly. I have an original manual, but many things are still left to the imagination as to how details go back together. Can anyone tell me how the upper half of the button bank is held onto the cabinet? I would expect there's a couple of brackets that screw into the side panels of the cabinet. There are two small holes in each side, drilled right where one would expect mounting brackets to be placed, but they look unused and "virgin", as though there have never made it beyond being pilot holes. I have no brackets in the many bags of pieces which appear to fit, and the upper button board seems to have no attachment points, other than the holes along the top where the plastic marquee attaches. Surely they couldn't have expected the marquee to handle all the forces imparted from the button board.....or did they? What am I missing? Is it just a lousy design? Anyone got a picture of the attachment they can forward me? Thank you! Mike Carmack From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Sun Sep 20 13:18:17 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Sun Sep 20 13:19:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of cartridges...Astatic 51 on vinyl repro 78s? In-Reply-To: <20090910.162219.1896.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090910.162219.1896.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4AB68E09.3010601@sparksandarcs.net> Wow, thank you for your extensive reply! Very valuable information! My curiosity is peaked by this P51 cartridge. Sounds like it'd be the best of both worlds, with the common forked stylus and diamond tip. Would you recommend it for both vinyl and shellac? It seems a more "authentic" replacement than the P132. Thanks! James Alexander wrote: > Hello, Mike: > > Here's my .02 cents worth for whatever it's worth: > > I've helped a number of customers fix up 78 RPM playing jukes, but I have no hands on experience with an AMI model D. I have worked with a C model, which I think has a similar 78 RPM 40-selection mech. > > The Rhino, other repro 78's, or later 50's original records are generally vinyl based discs instead of shellac (the old breakable records) It's generally best to track the vinyl records with a 2 mil stylus tip. The 2 mil is a good compromise tip if you are using a mixture of new and older records. The 2 mil stylus, with the old records will be more likely to have more surface noise and breakup on loudly-modulated passages. For old original records, you'll have best results with a 3 mil tip. The 1 mil tip size is best with mono 45's only . > > Most of the reissue 78's I've seen are for mono-era recordings (before 1960) so it's likely the 78 disc is not a stereo pressing. If you like the sound of your Astatic 51 mono ceramic cartridge, install the right stylus and use it. It should track at approx. 6 to 8 grams pressure. > Pfanstiehl has issued a P-51 model mono cartridge that is intended as a direct replacement or the no longer made Astatic 51. This cartridge uses the popular forked "CRA55" (or Pfanstiehl 700) replacement stylus that mounts with a set screw. These stylii are readily available and may be less pricey than the # 51 stylii. The P-51 tracks at roughly the same weight and has similar output level to the # 51 cartridge. > > The Pfanstiehl P-132D has been my "go-to" cartridge when a new conventional stereo or mono ceramic cartridge is needed. This should mount directly in your tone arm if you want to use one of these. You should wire the stereo cartridge outputs in parallel (2 + terminals together, 2 - terminals together) connected to your mono amp input. The P-132D can be tracked at 5 grams. The P-132's output is slightly lower than the original # 51 cart., but not by much. > > You will need to buy a replacement flip-under stylus in order to play 78's---You'll need Pfanstiehl stylus # 864-DS73. When purchasing a new P-132D, it normally comes equipped with an 864-DS77 stylus---2 stereo microgroove stylii, one is diamond tip, one is sapphire. The only 78 tip choice offered by Pfanstiehl is the 3 mil sapphire tip of the 864-DS73. I've noticed no audio breakup/distortion when tracking loudly-modulated 78 discs with the P-132D. The customer with the AMI-C has the P-132D cartridge playing a lot of original issue 50's rock n' roll 78's. Most of these records are non-breakable vinyl type. He's had the conversion for 4 years and he's a record collector, more than a jukebox enthusiast. No complaints about worn or damaged records so far. > > Hope this helps, > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click for a credit repair consultation, raise your FICO score. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVsRXKI2XLB8z1vpNQ5GVLILpeZuezvZhSnjui9OvUXUDRsE4JZFu/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Sep 20 13:19:27 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Sep 20 13:23:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Can o' worms was 45 vs CDs Message-ID: <20090920.161927.22715.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Here's my .02 cents worth on the subject. Music recorded on records, vacuum tube sound systems vs. solid state etc DO have a slightly different sound character than their digital counterparts. There are differences in harmonic distortion content, etc that have been scientifically proven in studies. A noncompressed, unlimited digital recording via CD has lots of tech possibilities to sound great. The music on records, tube sound ,and other analog technology etc took quite a bit of diligence from consumers in order to keep it sounding it's best (i.e. cleaning dusty dirty records,scratches, warped records, replacing stylii, etc) and at the time cost more than it does to purchase a playback system or recorded work today. This is why the technology has evolved into what it is. There are many enthusiasts (especially here) that enjoy listening to their music delivered in one of the classic methods. I think some folks here enjoy the challenge of keeping the technology "up" more than the music. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Let everyone in on the conversation with a new conference phone. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWJeOQbwN5FvJ8AtZqdVEmRvkM2ovQk093UGrMLgMmx3B096ItHPq/ From kjq45 at att.net Sun Sep 20 13:24:06 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Sep 20 13:25:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs References: <870117.17065.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, they are the purple ones and I agree, they wouldn't look good in my home. Might make a nice shop display. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs Glen, Are those the "purple" colored ones ? If so, they MIGHT look "nice" in some settings--but, I can't think of one, off hand. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 9:19 AM Dave, Nope, not going to argue that one. I run Carver solid state amps, but I do like tubes. Now, what would look nice and sound good is a pair of Rock-Ola Princess tube amps. Those are warm and rich sounding. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs > > > --- On Sat, 9/19/09, John wrote: > > >> Are you guys going to argue tubes vs. >> solid state? > > > Would you like us to? :-) > > Seriously, I can't see how it would make much difference > in a jukebox, which is not designed for "critical listening." > The main advantage tubes offer in some applications is that > when over-driven they produce distortion in the form of > harmonics. Transistors produce distortion in the form > of clipping. If you use your amplifier properly, it's > not an issue. But don't tell the audiophools that. It's > all about that PHAT TOOB SOUND, dude! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From J.M.VALK at kpnplanet.nl Sun Sep 20 12:42:42 2009 From: J.M.VALK at kpnplanet.nl (marjonenjoop) Date: Sun Sep 20 13:54:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 5220 series wall box light bulbs? Message-ID: Am I correct in assuming that the "GE 47" is the correct bulbs for these boxes? Not seeing it the Wallbox manual in or schematics. David G. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Hello David, Probably, See below. Fernw?hler - Wallboxes Modell model Wahlen selections Lampen lamps Sicherungen (6 x 32 mm, tr?ge) fuses - fusibles (6x 32 mm, slo-blo) 5204 104 GE #47 5205, 5206 104 Coin: 2x GE #44 5207 104 Coin: 2x GE #44; coin reject: GE #51 5210 200 GE #44 (2x); GE #47 5250 200 GE #47 Modell model Wahlen selections Lampen lamps Sicherungen (6 x 32 mm, tr?ge) fuses - fusibles (6x 32 mm, slo-blo) Website www.jukebox-world.de Go to Archive and then to Wurlitzer information - Lamps:Wallboxes There is a lot of information in German language !,but you can get there in the archives a lot of information. Success. Best Regards, >From Holland. Joop P Please consider the impact to the environment before you print this e-mail. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 14:12:07 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 20 14:13:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <581387.86420.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ah--they might also work well in some "special type" bars--- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 1:24 PM Yes, they are the purple ones and I agree, they wouldn't look good in my home.? Might make a nice shop display. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs Glen, Are those the "purple" colored ones ? If so, they MIGHT look "nice" in some settings--but, I can't think of one, off hand. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 9:19 AM Dave, Nope, not going to argue that one. I run Carver solid state amps, but I do like tubes. Now, what would look nice and sound good is a pair of Rock-Ola Princess tube amps. Those are warm and rich sounding. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45 vs CDs > > > --- On Sat, 9/19/09, John wrote: > > >> Are you guys going to argue tubes vs. >> solid state? > > > Would you like us to? :-) > > Seriously, I can't see how it would make much difference > in a jukebox, which is not designed for "critical listening." > The main advantage tubes offer in some applications is that > when over-driven they produce distortion in the form of > harmonics. Transistors produce distortion in the form > of clipping. If you use your amplifier properly, it's > not an issue. But don't tell the audiophools that. It's > all about that PHAT TOOB SOUND, dude! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Sep 20 14:22:42 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Sep 20 14:26:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of cartridges...Astatic 51 on vinyl repro 78s? Message-ID: <20090920.172242.26763.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Hello Mike: The Pfanstiehl P51 cartridge was apparently brought out to offer a mono ceramic element cartridge after Astatic left the market, with their extensive cartridge catalog, about 10 years ago. The P51 seems to be an ideal item for folks with older heavy-tracking 78 RPM jukes like 40's Wurlitzers, Seeburgs, Rock Olas etc. The P-132D stereo cartridge, in a purely technical sense, is a better choice for a 50's AMI as it will track your 78 records with a slightly lighter touch than the mono Astatic 51 pickup will. The goal is to make the records last longer. In my opinion, the sound quality of either model will be similar. Thee is no problem with needle availability for either model. You can still buy stylii for your Astatic 51. There have been discussion threads here lately about shellac/vinyl 78's, stereo 78's etc. The P-132 cartridge will allow you to track them all with minimal record damage. One of the jobs I had recently as a service tech was to maintain several (restored by others)Golden-Age Wurlitzer jukes, playing 78's, operational on coin, for the walk-in patrons of a museum. The museum curator ,for accuracy, insisted that all of his big-band and 50's-era rock n roll records on the machines were authentic original copies--no re issues. I modified all of the Lollipop-style and bear-claw tone arms with the P-132D cartridge, equipped with their optional 3 mil stylus. With trial and error adjustment, I was able to make most of the tone arms track at about 8-12 grams, using their mechanical trip out systems,without needle skip. Sound quality was very good. Sounded much like an original machine. (we had a restored 800 with original pickup to compare it to) This set up was in place for about 8 years, with little noticeable wear on the records. Only a few needed replacement. The original restoration tech had installed Astatic 51's in most of the machines. Most of the jukes were nicely rebuilt in the late 80's. One or two of them still had working horseshoe-shaped mag cartridges, using the setscrew type needle. These machines needed electronic modifications to properly work with the ceramic cartridge changeover. We also experimented with a product called the Supersound kit, offered by Henry Engineering. This complete juke modification package provided a Pickering NPAC mag cartridge with a 3 mil stylus and a special solid state preamp unit. The customers' opinion is that the Supersound kit DID extend the extreme hi/lo freq response of the jukes further than any of the other cartridge setups. The sound resolution playing some later-50's 78's was notably better. Sound character playing older discs (the shellac vs. vinyl question?) seemed the same with either cartridge. For the most part, the minor improvement didn't justify the big expense of this kit. The Pickering stylii needed to be replaced rather frequently due to the wear and tear caused by the mass of the heavy tone arm. I'm not sure whether this kit is still on the market. The owner reported quite a bit of record wear and damage at first, operating the machines on these older Astatic 51 cartridges. I hope this experience I had helps you in your decision. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to get the coolest ring tones on your phone, fast and easy http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYUiIWQBmCfyEC78HSXd1x7ER6aeGrCd446r0th0l2wnrXEX5jjaow/ From drjukebox at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 14:26:30 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Sun Sep 20 14:35:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Govertown? Goverthing? Message-ID: <3154d3690909201426g24bf06b2k37f79e81accf4e1a@mail.gmail.com> http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/09/18/arts/20090919-arch-ss_index.html Whaddya guys make of this? There's something wrong innit? What is it? ;o) Jens in Sweden PS - any reports from the Gurrech estate auction? From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Sep 20 14:32:36 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Sep 20 14:35:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 5220 series wall box light bulbs? Message-ID: <20090920.173236.26763.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Dave: Not to disagree with Ron R. here, but GE 47 is the part no that GE assigned to these lamps. The generic part number now used by a myriad of international manufacturers is simply #47. At one time there was also a #44 pilot light that was similar to the #47 but had slightly different current-draw stats. The bayonet-base is the same. There is still #44 lamp stock being sold, GE and other makes. Either one is a good match for your W5220 wallbox. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click now and choose from a selection of top performing bonds! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYV7QEWTAfmvEtT19PhKMHeTbCsJSinWVaKeF1lDGYSrhKFCoYHVFu/ From pat2355 at aol.com Sun Sep 20 14:38:55 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sun Sep 20 14:47:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] anyone heard anything about the Illinois juke auction ? In-Reply-To: <3154d3690909201426g24bf06b2k37f79e81accf4e1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3154d3690909201426g24bf06b2k37f79e81accf4e1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC0851E37BBFD6-59E8-CAB4@webmail-m002.sysops.aol.com> Kinda wonder if the attendance and prices justified the move from Texas. Didn't understand why the owners or auctioneers didn't coordinate their auction with the Chicago show. Pat ? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 14:46:12 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 20 14:47:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "NOS" Message-ID: <307251.22675.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guys and Gals, A question has come up as to the meaning of "NOS". It is my humble opinion that it stands for "New, Old Stock".? It is my further opinion that this means a part that has never been used, but has "sat" on a shelf somewhere for years--once again, NEW, but, NEVER USED! Anyone have a differing opinion? If so, please state it, as I am really tired of seeing things offered as "NOS" that clearly have been used, and sometimes, clearly abused--? Ron Rich From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sun Sep 20 14:48:01 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sun Sep 20 14:49:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 aux input on 532 amp References: <762702.88006.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A coin deposited is required to make it operate. The correct currency is required to suit the coin mechanism. See that the coins are not jamming. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 aux input on 532 amp Hi Dale, Do you have a copy of the Service Manual ? If so, it would help -- look at the "safety switch" which is located behind the "fan" where the records are played. Also check the "Record Load switch" which is located on the front of the shelf that has the whole mechanism sitting on it--It is somewhat hidden under the record basket-it moves R-L. Good luck, --oh, one more thing--look for the "motor switch" inside rear somewhere--then check all fuses--be SURE that they are of the right type !!! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Asian Jewel wrote: From: Asian Jewel Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 aux input on 532 amp To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 3:49 AM Hello my neighbor has a Wurlitzer jukebox 1900, and when she switches it on all the power come`s on and lights up but will not play, or the mechanical parts wont work. any ideas as we live in sri lanka and I don't think they have ever heard off or seen one before many thanks Dale Asian Jewel Boutique Hotel Field View Baddegama Road Nalagasdeniya Hikkaduwa Sri Lanka Phone 0094 914931388 Mobile +94 775465385 Web Site www.asian-jewel.com Rated no 1 Hotel in Hikkaduwa & also no 1 in Sri Lanka by tripadvisor for independant reviews on this hotel go to http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g304134-d1009523-Reviews-Asian_Jewel_Boutique_Hotel-Hikkaduwa.html Note: If you do not receive a reply from us within 24 hours, it means that we have not received the communication. May we then request you to kindly resend the same, or call us and we call you right back. `THE HIDDEN JEWEL IN HIKKADUWA` _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Sun Sep 20 14:54:22 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Sep 20 14:55:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "NOS" References: <307251.22675.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9BF450DCDEF140239E6FEAD434EC4349@D41XWQ61> On Ebay, that's exactly what is meant. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:46 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] "NOS" Guys and Gals, A question has come up as to the meaning of "NOS". It is my humble opinion that it stands for "New, Old Stock". It is my further opinion that this means a part that has never been used, but has "sat" on a shelf somewhere for years--once again, NEW, but, NEVER USED! Anyone have a differing opinion? If so, please state it, as I am really tired of seeing things offered as "NOS" that clearly have been used, and sometimes, clearly abused-- Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 14:54:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 20 14:56:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Govertown? Goverthing? In-Reply-To: <3154d3690909201426g24bf06b2k37f79e81accf4e1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <792398.93094.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jens, When I was in the US Army in 1963, I was stationed on an island outside of NYC, and heard rumors of another island that had been buried--I can't remember anything else--just that fleeting memory--? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: [Jukebox-list] Govertown? Goverthing? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 2:26 PM http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/09/18/arts/20090919-arch-ss_index.html Whaddya guys make of this? There's something wrong innit? What is it? ;o) ? ? ? ???Jens ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? in Sweden PS - any reports from the Gurrech estate auction? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Sun Sep 20 15:00:12 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Sep 20 15:01:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Fuse Holder Message-ID: Anyone who knows: While repairing a Rock-Ola stepper, the old brittle fuse holder fell apart. The original fuse is the quarter size screw in type and I replaced the holder with the type with a push turn cap. Is there a reason Rock-Ola used such a large fuse and holder, opposed to the small push turn type? I hope what I did will work. Glen From edbap at aol.com Sun Sep 20 15:00:03 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Sun Sep 20 15:01:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "NOS" In-Reply-To: <307251.22675.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <307251.22675.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC0854D74EC018-294C-CC53@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> I must agree, NOS is NEW OLD STOCK. Period.? Not taken of an unused machine, but NEW, hopefully still in the original Box, as dealer STOCK.? I know in collector cars that is the definition, period.? a NOS complete jukebox or wallbox would have to come from a dealer or supplier inventory, never sold, or on location.? I have seen some pinballs years ago that were still in the Box, NOS, and it seems like there were a few jukes that way also, "Discovered"... -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com; seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:46 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] "NOS" Guys and Gals, A question has come up as to the meaning of "NOS". It is my humble opinion that it stands for "New, Old Stock".? It is my further opinion that this means a part that has never been used, but has "sat" on a shelf somewhere for years--once again, NEW, but, NEVER USED! Anyone have a differing opinion? If so, please state it, as I am really tired of seeing things offered as "NOS" that clearly have been used, and sometimes, clearly abused--? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 15:11:12 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sun Sep 20 15:12:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "NOS" In-Reply-To: <307251.22675.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <307251.22675.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Your understanding, and that of the others, is 100% correct Thomas On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Guys and Gals, > A question has come up as to the meaning of "NOS". It is my humble opinion > that it stands for "New, Old Stock". It is my further opinion that this > means a part that has never been used, but has "sat" on a shelf somewhere > for years--once again, NEW, but, NEVER USED! > Anyone have a differing opinion? If so, please state it, as I am really > tired of seeing things offered as "NOS" that clearly have been used, and > sometimes, clearly abused-- Ron Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Sep 20 15:29:38 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Sep 20 15:32:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulitzer 543 Amp - Volume pot Message-ID: <20090920.182938.27551.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Chris: Loudness contour is an "equalizer" circuit that boosts extreme bass and treble frequencies as the volume is reduced. This is done to provide a rich full tone quality at low listening volumes. The volume control pot you are trying to repair or replace would be a straightforward 3 terminal volume control if you didn't need to support the loudness circuit. It would be a much easier part to obtain. Good luck in your search. BTW, aren't you located in western Canada?? There's a guy named John Robertson that posts here frequently. He has a long-established Wurlitzer juke service shop in Vancouver BC. Maybe he can help you. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for makeup products and advice. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSpWKfAmDiWGItBkMTp17qhxpNQ9v6wNHxO7FVWdetM0ftu3hIozW/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 15:37:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 20 15:39:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 5220 series wall box light bulbs? In-Reply-To: <20090920.173236.26763.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <559111.12992.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, and all, Feel free to dis-agree with me anytime--That's how I learn new things !!? I'm only an expert you know (Do you know what an "expert"? is?? "Ex"--is a "former" like Ex spouse--and "spert" is just a little drip). I was not aware that General Electric assigned the numbers used by all makers of mini lamps. But -my turn to dis-agree with you--In SOME cases, the 47 and the number 44 can NOT be interchanged without doing some damage--and both are still available. The 44 is rated to draw 0.25 a and a MSCD? (lamp "brilliance") of 0.9. The 47 is rated at 0.15 a, and MSCD of 0.5 . Both have the same ("elongated") envelope, base design (" mini bayonet") and overall size, are designed for 6.3V and have a projected 3k hour life-- but the 44 runs at a hotter temp. I prefer when possible to use a # 51 lamp to replace either of the above.They have the same base, but a shorter, "fatter", "round" type envelope.? These are rated for 7+ volts ( depends on which book you look at), 1.0 MSCD and only 1k hours--however, it seems to me that they far outlast either of the two above when run at 6.3 volts--and once again, only IMHO, run cooler.? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/20/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 5220 series wall box light bulbs? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 2:32 PM Dave: Not to disagree with Ron R. here, but GE 47 is the part no that GE assigned to these lamps.???The generic part number now used by a myriad of international manufacturers is simply #47.? ? ? At one time there was also a #44 pilot light that was similar to the #47 but had slightly different current-draw stats.? The bayonet-base is the same.? ? There is still #44 lamp stock being sold, GE and other makes. Either one is a good match for your W5220 wallbox. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click now and choose from a selection of top performing bonds! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYV7QEWTAfmvEtT19PhKMHeTbCsJSinWVaKeF1lDGYSrhKFCoYHVFu/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 15:40:26 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 20 15:42:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 aux input on 532 amp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <627574.48370.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Graeme, Never thought of that--Duh---? could well be the problem !!? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Graeme Harvey wrote: From: Graeme Harvey Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 aux input on 532 amp To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 2:48 PM A coin deposited is required to make it operate.? ? The correct currency is required to suit the coin mechanism.???See that the coins are not jamming. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 aux input on 532 amp Hi Dale, Do you have a copy of the Service Manual ? If so, it would help -- look at the "safety switch" which is located behind the "fan" where the records are played. Also check the "Record Load switch" which is located on the front of the shelf that has the whole mechanism sitting on it--It is somewhat hidden under the record basket-it moves R-L. Good luck, --oh, one more thing--look for the "motor switch" inside rear somewhere--then check all fuses--be SURE that they are of the right type !!! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Asian Jewel wrote: From: Asian Jewel Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 aux input on 532 amp To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 3:49 AM Hello my neighbor has a Wurlitzer jukebox 1900, and when she switches it on all the power come`s on and lights up but will not play, or the mechanical parts wont work. any ideas as we live in sri lanka and I don't think they have ever heard off or seen one before many thanks Dale Asian Jewel Boutique Hotel Field View Baddegama Road Nalagasdeniya Hikkaduwa Sri Lanka Phone 0094 914931388 Mobile +94 775465385 Web Site www.asian-jewel.com Rated no 1 Hotel in Hikkaduwa & also no 1 in Sri Lanka by tripadvisor for independant reviews on this hotel go to http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g304134-d1009523-Reviews-Asian_Jewel_Boutique_Hotel-Hikkaduwa.html Note: If you do not receive a reply from us within 24 hours, it means that we have not received the communication. May we then request you to kindly resend the same, or call us and we call you right back. `THE HIDDEN JEWEL IN HIKKADUWA` _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 15:42:31 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 20 15:44:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "NOS" In-Reply-To: <9BF450DCDEF140239E6FEAD434EC4349@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <627234.12749.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Glen, Apparently not, if you look at SOME of the ads--(Pix is worth 1000 words ! )? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "NOS" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 2:54 PM On Ebay, that's exactly what is meant. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:46 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] "NOS" Guys and Gals, A question has come up as to the meaning of "NOS". It is my humble opinion that it stands for "New, Old Stock". It is my further opinion that this means a part that has never been used, but has "sat" on a shelf somewhere for years--once again, NEW, but, NEVER USED! Anyone have a differing opinion? If so, please state it, as I am really tired of seeing things offered as "NOS" that clearly have been used, and sometimes, clearly abused-- Ro