From pinballpauls at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 05:02:03 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Sun Nov 1 05:10:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg Machine gun sound rat a tat a tat In-Reply-To: <8CC28920F1BA8CE-6540-A9F7@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> References: <20091015.132733.19341.2@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> <004001ca4dbe$5599d3b0$00cd7b10$@com> <4AD7638C.4060403@telus.net> <004701ca4dc3$26430b90$72c922b0$@com> <8CC28920F1BA8CE-6540-A9F7@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: There is one other thing to check. Make sure the shaft and ratchet assemblies are well lubed and moving freely. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:38 PM, wrote: > > > Ok here is an easy one that is driving me crazy. > Seeburg B, drop in a quarter, select song 1, 2, 3, no problems. when you > select the 4th one, you get the rat a tat sound and ratcheting action from > the credit unit, then it stops. I have checked the adjustment of the cam > switches, and contacts SUVT, and XYand Z. Any ideas? Thanks, ED > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From rellis2007 at aol.com Sun Nov 1 05:25:18 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Sun Nov 1 05:27:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RATA-TAT PROBLEM Message-ID: <8CC290DE3B05956-5B14-1BDE0@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com> I have had this problem with My 220 Seeburg for some time now, when I press the credit button the green select lite comes on, when I make a selection it should stay on to make two more selections but it doesn't but before the frist selection is played threw it statrs the rata tat and the green select lite comes back on, and the I can make the next two selections and press the credit button again and it works fine, but if I just let it set turned on for a while, the problem comes back. I think it is in the credit unit, but have not tryed to decipher it yet. doc ellis From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Nov 1 07:30:20 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Nov 1 07:32:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RATA-TAT PROBLEM In-Reply-To: <8CC290DE3B05956-5B14-1BDE0@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <946394.47403.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 11/1/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: > I have had this problem with My 220 Seeburg for some time > now, when I press the credit button the green select lite > comes on, when I make a selection it should stay on to make > two more selections but it doesn't but before the frist > selection is played threw it statrs the rata tat and the > green select lite comes back on, and the I can make the next > two selections and press the credit button again and it > works fine, but if I just let it set turned on for a while, > the problem comes back. Check to make sure that the solenoid-operated pawl that rotates the credit wheel is moving "briskly." It sounds as if yours is gummed up, and is *very* slow to release once it pulls the wheel. The return of this pawl to its rest position is what enables the selection mechanism to receive the next selection. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Nov 1 08:37:44 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Nov 1 08:39:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 - Cleaning oxidation from chassis In-Reply-To: <000801ca5aa7$f7362700$6501a8c0@KARL> Message-ID: <8626.48167.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Karl, Great question !!?? Wish I hada good answer, as everything I have tried removes the screening--I have just left the "patina" alone, in most cases-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Karl Sherwin wrote: From: Karl Sherwin Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 - Cleaning oxidation from chassis To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 9:01 PM Hi, I searched the archives but didn't find anything definitive on this. On my Wurlitzer 1900 I want to clean the amplifier chassis of oxidation. It looks like it was plated, possibly cadmium? Before working on the amp, I did some experiments on small brackets in the machine that looked like they had the same plating: 1) Wrights Silver Cream - very minimal improvement 2) Mother's Mag & Aluminum Polish - a lot of effort, uneven results, especially by the edges and corners 3) Nevr-Dull - Less effort than Mother's, still uneven results, left an oily residue 4) Brasso - relatively quick, good even results. My concern is that Brasso will probably rub off the ink stamps and silkscreening. There is one person on the web who restores early 60's Fisher tube stereo equipment, and Fisher used a steel chassis with silkscreening similar to the Wurlitzer amplifier chassis. The results he gets are very impressive, but he won't divulge his secret. Can anyone suggest a product and/or a procedure to clean the metal parts without ruining the silkscreening? Thanks, Karl _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Nov 1 08:43:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Nov 1 08:45:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 - Cleaning oxidation from chassis In-Reply-To: <20091101.004352.2785.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <374583.49001.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Money saving tip--do not buy the "Brasso" (brand) product--buy "Noxon"(brand) --it's the same stuff, made by the same company--at a much lower price--? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 10/31/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 - Cleaning oxidation from chassis To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 9:43 PM Karl: I have used the Brasso treatment to clean steel and gold-anodized chassis and it generally will not lift off silkscreen printing, unless the lettering itself is in marginal condition. In some cases, more than one application of Brasso helps.???If there are areas of surface rust, Brasso used with a fine grade sanding block produces good results. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top Bathroom Remodelers Get up to 4 free bathroom remodel estimates today. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=cN0JTE2G4X_iMqAFjJiyKgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAMh-Pj8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYGAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Sun Nov 1 08:52:07 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun Nov 1 08:54:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R89 Will not start References: Message-ID: <856009CAEC4646AA8B1AFA227F55278D@ownere70d47d70> The battery in the CCC (central control computer) is dead. I recommend you have the CCC serviced by Bruce Wentworth at http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Antonelli" To: Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R89 Will not start When I turned on my jukebox it would not except any key pad entry to access the record. If I put it in service mode the central control computer displayed E r r 1 and the +8vdc red light was lit. When I moved the switch to the ON position the display shows E r r 4 then goes blank with a _ in the last position on the display. Can anyone help or direct me to someone in Delaware County PA who may be able to help. Thanks Richard A. Antonelli _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Nov 1 09:00:56 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Nov 1 09:02:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RATA-TAT PROBLEM In-Reply-To: <8CC290DE3B05956-5B14-1BDE0@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <194457.46808.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Doc, Would help if you would state the full model number of that phono--or at least which credit unit you're using-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/1/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: From: rellis2007@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] RATA-TAT PROBLEM To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 5:25 AM I have had this problem with My 220 Seeburg for some time now, when I press the credit button the green select lite comes on, when I make a selection it should stay on to make two more selections but it doesn't but before the frist selection is played threw it statrs the rata tat and the green select lite comes back on, and the I can make the next two selections and press the credit button again and it works fine, but if I just let it set turned on for a while, the problem comes back. I think it is in the credit unit, but have not tryed to decipher it yet. doc ellis _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 1 13:11:57 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 1 13:15:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 - Cleaning oxidation from chassis Message-ID: <20091101.161157.15334.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Ron: Since you told me about it several months ago, I've been looking for Noxon on store shelves in GA. Haven't seen it. It seems that every major retailer, from Walmart on down, sells Brasso but doesn't offer the Noxon product. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top Bathroom Remodelers Get up to 4 free bathroom remodel estimates today. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=_HyWrrdMKeovKbbRgoyGVgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAOTrXD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYGAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 1 13:46:27 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 1 13:49:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ristaucrat and W2150 decals Message-ID: <20091101.164627.18135.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Hello Hans: To the best of my knowledge, none of the jukebox parts replicators and supply houses in the US are making the aqua-colored letter number strips that are used with a W2150 juke. The same goes for the Ristaucrat decal. Supply house Victory Glass has some generic (and some model-specific) letter-number strips. A-1 Jukebox & Nostalgia has a few unique items not offered by Victory Glass. It may be worth your while to check some of the jukebox hobby sites in both the UK and in Europe. It seems that some cabinet and trim parts for Wurlitzer and Rockola machines are being replicated there that are not sold in the US. Depending upon how driven you are to find these, if you can produce a good color photo or pieces of the original, some signage-in-a-hurry type places have the ability to replicate many designs and colors, but it will be fairly costly to have the computer-programming done. If you save the work, you'll be able to mass-produce the insignia afterward. This covers what it would take to have someone replicate the logos. I'm not addressing any patent/royalty issues that could possibly be involved if you decided to replicate and re sell these labels. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=FaGm11PhJzgK4r8Ezfr-qAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAEKchD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Nov 1 14:46:19 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Nov 1 14:47:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 - Cleaning oxidation from chassis In-Reply-To: <20091101.161157.15334.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <504681.95331.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, Funny--it's widely available here--sitting right next to the Brasso-- What's the mfg's name on your cans of Brasso--perhaps there is some regional? deal, allowing different companies to? use the "Brasso" name?? Ron --- On Sun, 11/1/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 - Cleaning oxidation from chassis To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 1:11 PM Ron:? Since you told me about it several months ago, I've been looking for Noxon on store shelves in GA.???Haven't seen it. It seems that every major retailer, from Walmart on down, sells Brasso but doesn't offer the Noxon product. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top Bathroom Remodelers Get up to 4 free bathroom remodel estimates today. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=_HyWrrdMKeovKbbRgoyGVgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAOTrXD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYGAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Nov 1 15:36:12 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sun Nov 1 15:37:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ristaucrat and W2150 decals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002b01ca5b4c$194b0730$4be11590$@net> Hans, Not sure about the Ristaucrat, but I think these might be the 2150 decals you are looking for. http://www.jukeboxpartsservice.eu/pages/webshop_listing.php?page=4&id=25&sea rch=&sort=artikelnummer&sorttype=asc part number 3552 You might also search this site for the Ristaucrat decal as well. Hope this works. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Hans Minderman Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 5:41 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] ristaucrat and W2150 decals Hi All, Does anyone know if the gold ristaucrat decal and the Wurlitzer 2150 aqua colored letters and numbers decals for the song labels have been reproduced and if so where I can find them? Thanks, -Hans _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it's more reliable. Wow! http://microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default-ga.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID2472 7::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:102009______________________________ _________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.39/2470 - Release Date: 10/31/09 07:53:00 From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 1 15:43:54 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Nov 1 15:46:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 - Cleaning oxidation from chassis References: <20091101.161157.15334.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001b01ca5b4d$2d3b7080$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Ace Hardware carries it here in Ga. It's in a green plastic squeeze bottle. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1900 - Cleaning oxidation from chassis Ron: Since you told me about it several months ago, I've been looking for Noxon on store shelves in GA. Haven't seen it. It seems that every major retailer, from Walmart on down, sells Brasso but doesn't offer the Noxon product. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top Bathroom Remodelers Get up to 4 free bathroom remodel estimates today. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=_HyWrrdMKeovKbbRgoyGVgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAOTrXD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYGAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From joe400f at shaw.ca Sun Nov 1 15:48:34 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sun Nov 1 15:50:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Tempo cartridge Message-ID: <002d01ca5b4d$d3297780$48944e18@compaq> Success !!! I would like to thank everyone who particapated in this thread. I wired the cartridge with the leads that came with it and soldered them to the tonearm wire as per Jim's instructions. I also double checked that the tone arm height at rest position was high enough to clear the gripper arm. Then, I set the tracking weight at 4 grams. The cartridge calls for 1.5 - 3.0 grams. I tried at 3.0 grams but found that when the cartridge landed and beagn to play, it bounced. I increased it to 4.0 grams and all is good. I had a problem that the cut off switch needed to be adjusted. When the tonearm cam was pushing on the cut off switch contact blades, it was causing the needle to skip. I adjusted them farther away and made the gap closer to compensate. Works great. The sound is greatly improved. More bass and volume is adjustable. Remember that there was a Astatic 51-1 crystal cartridge installed. This shure M44-7 is a great option. Thanks for the help especially Jim and Jay. Here is a couple of pictures in play mode. http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx236/noiselesstele/P1030802.jpg http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx236/noiselesstele/P1030803.jpg http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx236/noiselesstele/P1030804.jpg Joey McDonald From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Nov 1 18:48:36 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sun Nov 1 18:50:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ristaucrat and W2150 decals In-Reply-To: <002b01ca5b4c$194b0730$4be11590$@net> References: <002b01ca5b4c$194b0730$4be11590$@net> Message-ID: <002f01ca5b66$fcdca1b0$f695e510$@net> Looks like the link broke. If this does not work, copy and paste into your browser. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 5:36 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] ristaucrat and W2150 decals Hans, Not sure about the Ristaucrat, but I think these might be the 2150 decals you are looking for. http://www.jukeboxpartsservice.eu/pages/webshop_listing.php?[SSG Rich Myers] page=4&id=25&search=&sort=artikelnummer&sorttype=asc part number 3552 You might also search this site for the Ristaucrat decal as well. Hope this works. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Hans Minderman Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 5:41 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] ristaucrat and W2150 decals Hi All, Does anyone know if the gold ristaucrat decal and the Wurlitzer 2150 aqua colored letters and numbers decals for the song labels have been reproduced and if so where I can find them? Thanks, -Hans _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it's more reliable. Wow! http://microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default-ga.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID2472 7::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:102009______________________________ _________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.39/2470 - Release Date: 10/31/09 07:53:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.39/2470 - Release Date: 11/01/09 19:39:00 From steve at pro-ns.net Sun Nov 1 19:55:31 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Sun Nov 1 19:57:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ami D80 turntable playing a little slow In-Reply-To: <20091030.160527.16414.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091030.160527.16414.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20091102035530.GB1854@pro-ns.net> Jim, I don't think you have the change over model quite right. My F-120 has only the motor spindle, idler wheel, and turntable edge involved in the drive, and I am quite sure it matches the manual exactly. Maybe the changeover happened in the E's? --> Steve On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 08:05:27PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: > > > Rich: > > AMI juke owners on this list and elsewhere have frequently complained about their AMI D thru F 45 jukes playing slightly slow. The turntable drive set up in these machines uses a set of interplanetary pulleys and belts to drive the platter. The reason for this setup was supposedly to reduce turntable rumble and motor noise. > Beginning with some (all?) the G models, AMI changed over to a simple idler wheel drive system and the complaints stopped. The aftermarket kit (now apparently is marketed by Harold Hagen, the jukebox doctor in Always Jukin' mag.) converts the pulley setup over to a correctly sized idler drive. > > The electrical tape setup you're using probably won't last too long,either due to operating pressure,plus you'll probably find that due to edges, folds in the tape,etc will increase wow and flutter problems and maybe more.You may want to look at trying some other type of sleeving for the motor shaft. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > 2 Minute Consolidation Quote! > Free online quote in 2 minutes. No credit check, no obligation! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=pdmK5EvdVULEjhqSZa0qQwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAHpPVD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net "The only way we're going to improve is if we actually go out and get better." -- Pittsburgh Pirates Outfielder Jason Bay From pat2355 at aol.com Sun Nov 1 21:05:46 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sun Nov 1 21:07:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... In-Reply-To: <002f01ca5b66$fcdca1b0$f695e510$@net> References: <002b01ca5b4c$194b0730$4be11590$@net> <002f01ca5b66$fcdca1b0$f695e510$@net> Message-ID: <8CC299145464551-15C-335A@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> I saw the U-tube link where the brit? puts the entire pin bank into a dishwasher. Is it a joke ? Will that process do more good than harm ? I thought since the parts were so small this might be a good pin bank to learn on. Assuming that the selection process doesn't work, of course. Pat From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 1 21:22:07 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 1 21:24:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Tempo cartridge Message-ID: <20091102.002207.6340.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Joey:: I'm glad that this worked out well for you. There can be some interesting challenges upgrading RO jukes of this era to magnetic cartridges, more than meets the eye. Normally. the end result justifies the effort in broader freq response, better sound resolution and less record wear. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=HFRp1OkOkb_YHgzJTtN7qwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAEKchD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From nheckley at telus.net Mon Nov 2 08:42:31 2009 From: nheckley at telus.net (norm) Date: Sun Nov 1 21:30:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <008701ca5bdb$793d33e0$4201a8c0@domain.invalid> Where is the best source for turntable motor mounts for a Wurlitzer 2300 S . From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 1 21:30:42 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 1 21:32:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ami D80 turntable playing a little slow Message-ID: <20091102.003042.6340.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> I was under the impression that this TT speed issue affected all of the 45 models using the chain-drive moving turntable mechanism up until the G models,when a conventional idler wheel drive was introduced. The lower capacity G-80 and G-120 models were the last of this mechanism type. The G-200 model introduced AMI's ferris wheel mechanism which was used on all models forward. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top Bathroom Remodelers Get up to 4 free bathroom remodel estimates today. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=SN-QdFrpBh8lct_vUepa7QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAOTrXD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYGAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 1 21:40:06 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 1 21:43:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <20091102.004006.6340.2@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Norm: I'm assuming that you are located in the US. The W2300S turntable motor mount parts are being freshly replicated and are sold through parts houses catering to the jukebox hobby. A few names/places are: Victory Glass www.victoryglass.com Vern Tisdale www.verntisdale.com Jukebox Friday Night www.jukeboxfridaynight.com If in Canada, try www.flippers.com in Vancouver BC. You can find motor mounts, replacement turntable drive belts etc. J Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top Bathroom Remodelers Get up to 4 free bathroom remodel estimates today. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=AVGop2Y0i74KQawnRkQRrgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAOTrXD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYGAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 1 22:09:18 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 1 22:13:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... Message-ID: <20091102.010918.9060.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Pat: I can't say I've seen the video you're talking about, but I've heard of others advocating a pressure-wash of a Rock Ola pin bank, the drying it out using hair dryers. As a tech, this is not a good idea in my opinion. You may create a rust/oxidation problem from the dampness that you didn't have before. The pinbank contacts tend to become intermittent and sticky as tarnish builds up on them. Will washing with water get the tarnish off? Doesn't the water soak into the relay coils and short them out? I know that it's a headache of a job,but If a pinbank becomes intermittent, it needs to be disassembled and cleaned in the same manner as the Seeburg pinbanks are. I'm aware of a west coast Seeburg technician (it's either Mike Zuccaro or Ron Rich,not sure) showing how to disassemble and clean a "100" pinbank as part of a training video on jukebox restoration. In my opinion, this is the correct way to clean a pinbank. Later 60's Rockola pinbanks, possibly beginning with the 1484, are passively operated by external hammer solenoids that both trip and reset the pins. These pinbanks are simpler in their construction. The 50's and early 60's RO mechs used a pinbank that was operated using individual relays (some also had group relays) on the pins to trip the selection. These can be a challenge to diassemble-clean-reassemble. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top Bathroom Remodelers Get up to 4 free bathroom remodel estimates today. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=J4le-53rC4BXgcp9iNw8kAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAOTrXD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYGAAAAAA= From russodue at earthlink.net Sun Nov 1 23:30:48 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Mon Nov 2 01:43:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... Message-ID: <15169857.1257147048532.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Would spraying contact cleaner into each pin individually (while moving them back and forth) help much? I have a handful that either aren't tripping, or not being tripped out entirely, causing continuous searching. Tony -----Original Message----- >From: James Alexander >Sent: Nov 2, 2009 12:09 AM >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... > > > >Pat: > >I can't say I've seen the video you're talking about, but I've heard of others advocating a pressure-wash of a Rock Ola pin bank, the drying it out using hair dryers. As a tech, this is not a good idea in my opinion. > > You may create a rust/oxidation problem from the dampness that you didn't have before. > >The pinbank contacts tend to become intermittent and sticky as tarnish builds up on them. Will washing with water get the tarnish off? >Doesn't the water soak into the relay coils and short them out? > >I know that it's a headache of a job,but If a pinbank becomes intermittent, it needs to be disassembled and cleaned in the same manner as the Seeburg pinbanks are. I'm aware of a west coast Seeburg technician (it's either Mike Zuccaro or Ron Rich,not sure) showing how to disassemble and clean a "100" pinbank as part of a training video on jukebox restoration. In my opinion, this is the correct way to clean a pinbank. > >Later 60's Rockola pinbanks, possibly beginning with the 1484, are passively operated by external hammer solenoids that both trip and reset the pins. These pinbanks are simpler in their construction. The 50's and early 60's RO mechs used a pinbank that was operated using individual relays (some also had group relays) on the pins to trip the selection. These can be a challenge to diassemble-clean-reassemble. > >Jim Alexander > >____________________________________________________________ >Top Bathroom Remodelers >Get up to 4 free bathroom remodel estimates today. No obligation! >http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=J4le-53rC4BXgcp9iNw8kAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAOTrXD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYGAAAAAA= >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Mon Nov 2 04:04:57 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 2 04:07:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... In-Reply-To: <15169857.1257147048532.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <15169857.1257147048532.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CC29CBD44FE962-4D68-C68E@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> It's a bummer, but the only way to a sure proper operation it to remove the select unit take it apart and clean and check each coil, coils should read about 4 ohms, it is very time consuming, but worth it in the long run. remove each section clean under each pin in some cases this means taking the section apart. A manual is a must if You plan on doing this. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Russo To: Jukebox mailing list ; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:30 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... Would spraying contact cleaner into each pin individually (while moving them ack and forth) help much? I have a handful that either aren't tripping, or not eing tripped out entirely, causing continuous searching. Tony -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander Sent: Nov 2, 2009 12:09 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... Pat: I can't say I've seen the video you're talking about, but I've heard of others dvocating a pressure-wash of a Rock Ola pin bank, the drying it out using hair ryers. As a tech, this is not a good idea in my opinion. You may create a rust/oxidation problem from the dampness that you didn't have efore. The pinbank contacts tend to become intermittent and sticky as tarnish builds p on them. Will washing with water get the tarnish off? Doesn't the water soak into the relay coils and short them out? I know that it's a headache of a job,but If a pinbank becomes intermittent, it eeds to be disassembled and cleaned in the same manner as the Seeburg pinbanks re. I'm aware of a west coast Seeburg technician (it's either Mike Zuccaro r Ron Rich,not sure) showing how to disassemble and clean a "100" pinbank as art of a training video on jukebox restoration. In my opinion, this is the orrect way to clean a pinbank. Later 60's Rockola pinbanks, possibly beginning with the 1484, are passively perated by external hammer solenoids that both trip and reset the pins. These inbanks are simpler in their construction. The 50's and early 60's RO mechs sed a pinbank that was operated using individual relays (some also had group elays) on the pins to trip the selection. These can be a challenge to iassemble-clean-reassemble. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top Bathroom Remodelers Get up to 4 free bathroom remodel estimates today. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=J4le-53rC4BXgcp9iNw8kAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAOTrXD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYGAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Mon Nov 2 04:28:23 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 2 04:30:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RATA-TAT PROBLEM In-Reply-To: <946394.47403.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC29CF1A70CBDB-4D68-CA14@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> David Thanks for Your input. doc -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:30 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RATA-TAT PROBLEM --- On Sun, 11/1/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: I have had this problem with My 220 Seeburg for some time now, when I press the credit button the green select lite comes on, when I make a selection it should stay on to make two more selections but it doesn't but before the frist selection is played threw it statrs the rata tat and the green select lite comes back on, and the I can make the next two selections and press the credit button again and it works fine, but if I just let it set turned on for a while, the problem comes back. heck to make sure that the solenoid-operated pawl that otates the credit wheel is moving "briskly." It sounds s if yours is gummed up, and is *very* slow to release nce it pulls the wheel. The return of this pawl to its est position is what enables the selection mechanism o receive the next selection. ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Nov 2 05:41:38 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Nov 2 05:43:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ami D80 turntable playing a little slow In-Reply-To: <20091102.003042.6340.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <955544.6674.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 11/1/09, James Alexander wrote: > I was under the impression that this TT speed issue > affected all of the 45 models using the chain-drive moving > turntable mechanism up until the G models,when a > conventional idler wheel drive was introduced. The F and G models all have the same straight tone arm and I believe all have the rim-drive turntable. The older machines had the curved tone arm and blet-drive turntables. The exception, I again believe (no hard data to back this up), was the BAL-AMI machines which continued to use the curved tone arm mechanism until much later. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 2 09:00:25 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 2 09:02:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... In-Reply-To: <8CC299145464551-15C-335A@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <223465.2415.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Pat, Can you post that link ?? I have had "older" guys tell me tha they washed Seeburg SA Units in "Tide, and hot water"--I have never seen this done-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/1/09, pat2355@aol.com wrote: From: pat2355@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 9:05 PM I saw the U-tube link where the brit? puts the entire pin bank into a dishwasher. Is it a joke ? Will that process do more good than harm ? I thought since the parts were so small this might be a good pin bank to learn on. Assuming that the selection process doesn't work, of course. Pat _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 2 09:02:44 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 2 09:04:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... In-Reply-To: <20091102.010918.9060.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <278956.10588.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, That's Mike's thing--- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/1/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 10:09 PM Pat: I can't say I've seen the video you're talking about, but I've heard of others advocating a pressure-wash of a Rock Ola pin bank, the drying it out using hair dryers.? As a tech, this is not a good idea in my opinion.? You may create a rust/oxidation problem from the dampness that you didn't have before.? ? The pinbank contacts tend to become intermittent and sticky as tarnish builds up on them.? Will washing with water get the tarnish off?? Doesn't the water soak into the relay coils and short them out? I know that it's a headache of a job,but If a pinbank becomes intermittent, it needs to be disassembled and cleaned in the same manner as the Seeburg pinbanks are.? ? I'm aware of a west coast Seeburg technician (it's either Mike Zuccaro or Ron Rich,not sure) showing how to disassemble and clean a "100" pinbank as part of a training video on jukebox restoration. In my opinion, this is the correct way to clean a pinbank. Later 60's Rockola pinbanks, possibly beginning with the 1484, are passively operated by external hammer solenoids that both trip and reset the pins. These pinbanks are simpler in their construction. The 50's and early 60's RO mechs used a pinbank that was operated using individual relays (some also had group relays) on the pins to trip the selection.? These can be a challenge to diassemble-clean-reassemble. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top Bathroom Remodelers Get up to 4 free bathroom remodel estimates today. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=J4le-53rC4BXgcp9iNw8kAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAOTrXD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYGAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 2 09:06:18 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 2 09:08:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... In-Reply-To: <15169857.1257147048532.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <494514.88755.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tony IMHO--yes--and --no--depends if you can actually "get the dirt out" without the "spray" being a cause of later problems--One caution !! Be sure all records are out of the way, as some "spray" products LOVE to eat records--(PLEASE: don't axk !!)? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Russo wrote: From: Russo Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... To: "Jukebox mailing list" , jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 11:30 PM Would spraying contact cleaner into each pin individually (while moving them back and forth) help much?? I have a handful that either aren't tripping, or not being tripped out entirely, causing continuous searching. Tony -----Original Message----- >From: James Alexander >Sent: Nov 2, 2009 12:09 AM >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... > > > >Pat: > >I can't say I've seen the video you're talking about, but I've heard of others advocating a pressure-wash of a Rock Ola pin bank, the drying it out using hair dryers.? As a tech, this is not a good idea in my opinion.? > > You may create a rust/oxidation problem from the dampness that you didn't have before.? ? > >The pinbank contacts tend to become intermittent and sticky as tarnish builds up on them.? Will washing with water get the tarnish off?? >Doesn't the water soak into the relay coils and short them out? > >I know that it's a headache of a job,but If a pinbank becomes intermittent, it needs to be disassembled and cleaned in the same manner as the Seeburg pinbanks are.? ? I'm aware of a west coast Seeburg technician (it's either Mike Zuccaro or Ron Rich,not sure) showing how to disassemble and clean a "100" pinbank as part of a training video on jukebox restoration. In my opinion, this is the correct way to clean a pinbank. > >Later 60's Rockola pinbanks, possibly beginning with the 1484, are passively operated by external hammer solenoids that both trip and reset the pins. These pinbanks are simpler in their construction. The 50's and early 60's RO mechs used a pinbank that was operated using individual relays (some also had group relays) on the pins to trip the selection.? These can be a challenge to diassemble-clean-reassemble. > >Jim Alexander > >____________________________________________________________ >Top Bathroom Remodelers >Get up to 4 free bathroom remodel estimates today. No obligation! >http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=J4le-53rC4BXgcp9iNw8kAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAOTrXD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYGAAAAAA= >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 2 09:15:07 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Mon Nov 2 09:16:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: turntable flocking J ukebox-list Digest, Vol 75, Issue 30 In-Reply-To: <45DD4EAC8DF0429687AB46A9138E1698@Marksvaio> Message-ID: <253243.29453.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In the past, I have done the flocking on my AMI B and a W1100 for a friend, with surprisingly good results. What I did was lightly sand the turntable down to get rid of most of the original flocking. Bought a can of 3M adhesive spray called displaymount (much stronger than the similar photomount). Spray the turntable with several coats and when tacky, plunge the turntable into a box filled with the flocking material. Allow to dry for a few seconds, then to get good coverage using the flocking, dab the Turntable with an old paint brush and also brush off excess with the paintbrush. Always remember to plug the centre hole with kitchen foil or something similar. --- On Fri, 30/10/09, Mark Addleson wrote: > From: Mark Addleson > Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: turntable flocking J ukebox-list Digest, Vol 75, Issue 30 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Friday, 30 October, 2009, 8:42 PM > It isn't so difficult that you > shouldn't 'try this at home', although > perhaps you don't get as good a finish.? I did the rim > of my AMI turntable. > It looks good and has lasted. > > This site has a link with useful instructions and as you'll > see they supply > just about any color you can think of.? I followed > their approach and made a > small 'pump' - two parts, the flocking goes inside, you > push them together > and it sprays through the holes.? I'd advise doing it > over a fairly large > container with a bin liner.? That way you collect the > loose fibers (and > reuse them if you want to). > http://www.craftflocking.com/index.php?pr=Home_Page > > Regards > > Mark > > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:14:54 -0000 > From: "chris tanner" > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] turntable > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Message-ID: > <2A95FDAF56EA45058CD5E2B9CEDE6895@chris545b2a181> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > ??? reply-type=original > > Victory Glass sells Flocking material. I have done this > process a few > times.In my opinion, sand blasting is not necessary. The > old flocking > scraped off easily enough then sanding with wet and dry > paper. I applier the > > flocking material by spray painting the turntable with > brown paint. While > the paint is still wet, cover the job with the flocking > material.......loads > > of it and wait a day or so to let things dry fully. Then > knock off the > un-stuck material. I found that the flocking material > blocked up the holes > in the flour sifter. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel chisler" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:59 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] turntable > > > > > > I read an article in an ols juke box mag and it says > if the flock is > > there then proceed? if it has flocking missing > you have to sand blast it > > all off. if there but discolored? s pray on a > thick layer of? varathane > > then put the flock in a flour sifter and sift on > evenly . let dry two > > days . if you sand blasted it? do this procdure > twice .....I gotta do > > this my self on one ...looking for brown flocking . OR > Oliver Stammen in > > Germany has a flocking service for like $38.00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > Mark Addleson > Organization Development and Knowledge Management > School of Public Policy, George Mason University > Tel: 703 993-3804 > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pat2355 at aol.com Mon Nov 2 09:26:46 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 2 09:28:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... In-Reply-To: <8CC299145464551-15C-335A@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> References: <002b01ca5b4c$194b0730$4be11590$@net><002f01ca5b66$fcdca1b0$f695e510$@net> <8CC299145464551-15C-335A@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC29F8C9960DE0-4404-2A533@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Here's the Utube link. Gotta wonder what the little woman thinks. HAHA Pat YouTube - Restoration Rock Ola & Wurlitzer Jukeboxes -----Original Message----- From: pat2355@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:05 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... I saw the U-tube link where the brit? puts the entire pin bank into a dishwasher. Is it a joke ? Will that process do more good than harm ? I thought since the parts were so small this might be a good pin bank to learn on. Assuming that the selection process doesn't work, of course. Pat _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Mon Nov 2 12:13:01 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Mon Nov 2 12:14:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: turntable flocking J ukebox-list Digest, Vol 75, Issue 30 References: <253243.29453.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2A077610EC7E4F0EAB2B75FF210DA224@Graeme> I bead blast the turntable, I cover the centre shaft with a protective tube as not to remove the finish on the shaft. I lightly blast both sides, top to remove old flocking and paint. I do the under side around the rim where the idler wheel touches. The idler wheel I lightly scuff of twice around with fine grade sand paper, go easy on the idler wheel you do not want to take any rubber off. This is only to remove the glaze and give it a better grip. This helps with speed issues. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Young" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: turntable flocking J ukebox-list Digest, Vol 75,Issue 30 In the past, I have done the flocking on my AMI B and a W1100 for a friend, with surprisingly good results. What I did was lightly sand the turntable down to get rid of most of the original flocking. Bought a can of 3M adhesive spray called displaymount (much stronger than the similar photomount). Spray the turntable with several coats and when tacky, plunge the turntable into a box filled with the flocking material. Allow to dry for a few seconds, then to get good coverage using the flocking, dab the Turntable with an old paint brush and also brush off excess with the paintbrush. Always remember to plug the centre hole with kitchen foil or something similar. --- On Fri, 30/10/09, Mark Addleson wrote: > From: Mark Addleson > Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: turntable flocking J ukebox-list Digest, Vol > 75, Issue 30 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Friday, 30 October, 2009, 8:42 PM > It isn't so difficult that you > shouldn't 'try this at home', although > perhaps you don't get as good a finish. I did the rim > of my AMI turntable. > It looks good and has lasted. > > This site has a link with useful instructions and as you'll > see they supply > just about any color you can think of. I followed > their approach and made a > small 'pump' - two parts, the flocking goes inside, you > push them together > and it sprays through the holes. I'd advise doing it > over a fairly large > container with a bin liner. That way you collect the > loose fibers (and > reuse them if you want to). > http://www.craftflocking.com/index.php?pr=Home_Page > > Regards > > Mark > > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:14:54 -0000 > From: "chris tanner" > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] turntable > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Message-ID: > <2A95FDAF56EA45058CD5E2B9CEDE6895@chris545b2a181> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Victory Glass sells Flocking material. I have done this > process a few > times.In my opinion, sand blasting is not necessary. The > old flocking > scraped off easily enough then sanding with wet and dry > paper. I applier the > > flocking material by spray painting the turntable with > brown paint. While > the paint is still wet, cover the job with the flocking > material.......loads > > of it and wait a day or so to let things dry fully. Then > knock off the > un-stuck material. I found that the flocking material > blocked up the holes > in the flour sifter. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel chisler" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:59 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] turntable > > > > > > I read an article in an ols juke box mag and it says > if the flock is > > there then proceed if it has flocking missing > you have to sand blast it > > all off. if there but discolored s pray on a > thick layer of varathane > > then put the flock in a flour sifter and sift on > evenly . let dry two > > days . if you sand blasted it do this procdure > twice .....I gotta do > > this my self on one ...looking for brown flocking . OR > Oliver Stammen in > > Germany has a flocking service for like $38.00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > Mark Addleson > Organization Development and Knowledge Management > School of Public Policy, George Mason University > Tel: 703 993-3804 > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 2 13:03:23 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 2 13:06:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: turntable flocking J ukebox-list Digest, Vol 75 , Issue 30 Message-ID: <20091102.160323.10159.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Mr Harvey: Are you aware that there are services that can rebuild, revulcanize old hardened glazed idler wheels? Using a service like this greatly improves traction, speed regularity etc. As one sands down the idler wheel,even though you try your best, it usually leaves scuffmarks and small flat spots in the rubber surface which conributes to wow and flutter problems. If the juke you're restoring has been stored a long time, there will usually be one or more hard flat spots in the idler surface wheel it has been in contact with the motor shaft, sitting for a long time. Back in the day, idler wheels were changed several times throughout the life a phono when needed. Replacement idlers were commonly available for low prices. James Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Financial Aid Online Search for online schools offering financial aid. Free information! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=qJgDb21a9aK9nl41Cb2ihwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAG3nyz4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYxFQAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 2 13:21:28 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 2 13:25:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... Message-ID: <20091102.162128.10159.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Ron: There is guy named Donnie Keuller who advertises regularly in one of the juke magazines. In the early 90's he put out a "how-to" video restoring a RockOla 1438 Comet juke. I don't know whether that's still in circulation or not. He advocated removing the mech from the cabinet, unbolting the gripper and mech motors from the chassis,spraying the unit with 409 cleaner,then pressure washing it with the pinbank and TT motors still in place. He said it needed 2 or 3 days to passively dry out (no blow driers) after that before using. There are better ways to clean a dirty mech. I wouldn't do that to a jukebox mech, even with a court order. I'd enjoy hearing your comments. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=mp078YTZhMu-nh2L3CcnAgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPKTkT8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 2 13:29:25 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 2 13:32:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... Message-ID: <20091102.162925.10159.2@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Tony: Sometimes using contact cleaner helps out for awhile, but it isn't a cure-all. Most of the time the pinbank needs to be disassembled and properly cleaned. It is unusual that your 50's RO will start the search action with a partially tripped pin. What usually tends to happen is that tripped pins will have their contacts become dirty, where they will not trigger the mech-start function. What happens then after a "good" pin gets pulled, the mech will stop and pick up all the other pins that failed to register the start contact. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find Bathroom Remodelers Get free estimates from top-rated bathroom contractors. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=iPdyWdtcaEHB0SZUUIk7pwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAJ1JKj8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYOQAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 2 13:34:39 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 2 13:39:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ami D80 turntable playing a little slow Message-ID: <20091102.163439.10159.3@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hello David: Yes I'm aware that the BAL-AMI machines had a number of subtle differences to their American counterparts. In one old photo I saw of a BAL-AMI ( I think it was a G-120 equivalent) it had a light weight tubular tone arm with a counterweight at the back. Surprising to see an advanced design like that back in the 50's. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Jg-FvdK8Slrnp9osEEXXVAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPKTkT8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Mon Nov 2 14:00:08 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Mon Nov 2 14:01:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ami D80 turntable playing a little slow References: <20091102.163439.10159.3@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <64EDB65D23D34A94A38CF0DA119D0094@Graeme> I checked my Bal-Ami G 120 an Bal-Ami "I" 200 they have the same tone arm as used on all American AMI's from G to K models. These models had no counter weight. The Contentals have a counter weight. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ami D80 turntable playing a little slow Hello David: Yes I'm aware that the BAL-AMI machines had a number of subtle differences to their American counterparts. In one old photo I saw of a BAL-AMI ( I think it was a G-120 equivalent) it had a light weight tubular tone arm with a counterweight at the back. Surprising to see an advanced design like that back in the 50's. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Jg-FvdK8Slrnp9osEEXXVAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPKTkT8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 2 14:02:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 2 14:04:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... In-Reply-To: <20091102.162128.10159.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <279991.96852.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, Over the years, I have washed 1000's of Seeburg mechs in this manor--'course I remove motors, coils, and a few other things first---Never have had any related problems that I know of--see my "Seeburg Mech Guide" for details-- Never have done any other brand this way-- Donnie is still plugging away--a least as of a month or so ago-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 11/2/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 1:21 PM Ron: There is guy named Donnie Keuller who advertises regularly in one of the juke magazines.???In the early 90's he put out a "how-to" video restoring a RockOla 1438 Comet juke.? I don't know whether that's still in circulation or not. He advocated removing the mech from the cabinet, unbolting the gripper and mech motors from the chassis,spraying the unit with 409 cleaner,then pressure washing it with the pinbank and TT motors still in place.? He said it needed 2 or 3 days to passively dry out (no blow driers) after that before using. There are better ways to clean a dirty mech. I wouldn't do that to a jukebox mech, even with a court order.???I'd enjoy hearing your comments. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=mp078YTZhMu-nh2L3CcnAgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPKTkT8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From smlynch at cableone.net Mon Nov 2 14:17:02 2009 From: smlynch at cableone.net (Steve Lynch) Date: Mon Nov 2 14:18:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sluggish Wurlitzer Motor Message-ID: Thanks, Ron Rich, for your suggestion on cleaning the insides of my Wurlitzer 1080 motor to stop the sluggish play on the first few records of my 1080. Never had to do this before on any of my golden age Wurlitzers but it was rather easy. Worked like a charm!!!! Steve Lynch From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 2 14:36:34 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 2 14:39:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... Message-ID: <20091102.173634.14682.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Ron: If you remove the 110V motor and the pin bank on a 100 Seeburg, you've probably removed most of the water-damageable materials, except for the leaf switch contacts. You discussed washing a Seeburg mech in your book? I didn't see that. Since we've been comunicating here over the last 6 months, I bought a copy of your mechanism book. A well-written tutorial. I've been hanging around the 60's and 70's mech sections (love those micrologs) in the book. On the D. Keuller RO training video , the phono motor, rotary pinbank and all switches (most are micro-type) were left in place,subjected to a power wash job. I know that neglected mechs can be really greasy/dirty when a restorer finds them, but I'm having a hard time accepting pressure washing a mech like that. (rust,oxidation, etc) How to prevent? BTW, Brasso is sold here in 8 oz. gold-color plastic squeeze bottles, distributed by Reckitt Benckiser Co in Parsippany NJ. A bottle this size costs about $2.80 at Walmart, slighly more at Home Depot (a home improvement store) Noxon costs less than that? PS. Am I reading this news item right? In San Francisco, they've closed the Golden Gate bridge to traffic? How do people get around the bay area? Ferry service? Isn't the only other choice to drive all the way around the perimeter of the bay? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find Bathroom Remodelers Get free estimates from top-rated bathroom contractors. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=b6CsnpMNLvJkrZJxi1MExQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAJ1JKj8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYOQAAAAA= From dpenoff at mac.com Mon Nov 2 15:47:09 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Mon Nov 2 15:48:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT - Bay Bridge (was Got a 1484 Rock-ola...) In-Reply-To: <20091102.173634.14682.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091102.173634.14682.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Jim, They've had the Bay Bridge, not the Golden Gate, closed for a while due to an earlier "fix" made to the suspension system on the east span that failed. The Bay Bridge spans the bay from SF to Oakland and carries a humongous amount of traffic. It's infamous for the upper deck collapse during the Loma Prieta quake. You were partially right - people who use it to commute to the peninsula have a major detour to contend with, as there is only one other bridge (the Dumbarton) that spans the bay, and it's farther south (the GG goes from the peninsula to Marin County, not the East Bay.) I lived in San Bruno and later in El Granada on the coast, and I am sure that the people who worked for me that lived in the East Bay and beyond wouldn't have even bothered trying to come to work with the bridge out. You're looking at a 4-6 hour (or more) commute for many if they're coming from across the bay via an alternate route. The Bay Area is a wonderful place, but not if you're a commuter or a wanna-be homeowner. (Just my $0.02 from living there) Dan On Nov 2, 2009, at 5:36 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > PS. Am I reading this news item right? In San Francisco, they've > closed the Golden Gate bridge to traffic? How do people get around > the bay area? Ferry service? Isn't the only other choice to drive > all the way around the perimeter of the bay? > > Jim Alexander > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 2 16:13:05 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 2 16:14:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... In-Reply-To: <20091102.173634.14682.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <394975.56049.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Answers below>> Ron --- On Mon, 11/2/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Got a 1484 Rock-ola... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 2:36 PM Ron: If you remove the 110V motor and the pin bank? on a 100 Seeburg, you've probably removed most of the water-damageable materials, except for the leaf switch contacts. >> yes-almost--leaf switches like water-- You discussed washing a Seeburg mech in your book?? I didn't see that.? Since we've been comunicating here over the last 6 months, I bought a copy of your mechanism book.???A well-written tutorial. I've been hanging around the 60's and 70's mech sections (love those micrologs) in the book. >> Thanks--you mentioned that you bought it, before--See page 38-- On the D. Keuller RO training video , the phono motor, rotary pinbank and all switches? (most are micro-type) were left in place,subjected to a power wash job.? I know that neglected mechs can be really greasy/dirty when a restorer finds them, but I'm having a hard time accepting pressure washing a mech like that.???(rust,oxidation, etc) How to prevent? >> agree there -- I do not "power wash"--- BTW, Brasso is sold here in 8 oz. gold-color plastic squeeze bottles, distributed by Reckitt Benckiser Co in Parsippany NJ.? A bottle this size costs about $2.80 at Walmart, slighly more at Home Depot (a home improvement store) Noxon costs less than that? >> got a 12 oz bottle of Noxon--was sitting beside the "Brasso" --don't recall what I paid, but do know that it was about 1/3rd less--so I started comparing labels--exactly the same--word for word,? except brand name ! PS.? Am I reading this news item right?? In San Francisco, they've closed the Golden Gate bridge to traffic????How do people get around the bay area?? Ferry service?? Isn't the only other choice to drive all the way around the perimeter of the bay? >> Well, almost right--they closed the SF/Oakland Bay Bridge--(opened again at 9am local time today), Not the Golden Gate Bridge--but used just as much---a terrific traffic tie-up !!! Jim Alexander? ? ____________________________________________________________ Find Bathroom Remodelers Get free estimates from top-rated bathroom contractors. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=b6CsnpMNLvJkrZJxi1MExQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAJ1JKj8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYOQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 2 16:20:49 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 2 16:23:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT - Bay Bridge (was Got a 1484 Rock-ola...) Message-ID: <20091102.192049.21694.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Hi Dan: Sorry, I had the 2 bridge names mixed up--A news article here said a 5000 lbs. steel assembly fell down onto the road surface. I mentally associated it with cable-steel span of the Golden Gate Bridge. Thought that the official name of the bridge had changed for some reason. I do remember from the last time I visited CA, that there aren't many bridges crossing SF Bay. I do recall seeing news footage of the double-deck concrete bridge collapsing about 10 years ago during an earthquake there. Hopefully, you'll be able to get the repairwork done. It sounds like a hellacious commute. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Medical Insurance Quotes Compare medical insurance companies and save money now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=p_h5g10q8LO7sZFXRntsgAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAAgr8z4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiWIAAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 2 16:33:11 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 2 16:34:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT - Bay Bridge (was Got a 1484 Rock-ola...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <354.82341.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dan, Must have been awhile since you lived here--you forgot about the San Mateo/Hawyard bridge. It's south of the Bay, but north of the Dumbarton-- BTW--my grandson is commuting from here (FREE housing/food)( He is a good kid--doing an almost, no-pay, internship), to the east bay every day, via the SM/Hay bridge--said it only added about 30-45 minutes the last couple of days--but he is going in the "non-commute" directions--Ron Rich --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Dan Penoff wrote: From: Dan Penoff Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT - Bay Bridge (was Got a 1484 Rock-ola...) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 3:47 PM Jim, They've had the Bay Bridge, not the Golden Gate, closed for a while due to an earlier "fix" made to the suspension system on the east span that failed. The Bay Bridge spans the bay from SF to Oakland and carries a humongous amount of traffic.? It's infamous for the upper deck collapse during the Loma Prieta quake.? You were partially right - people who use it to commute to the peninsula have a major detour to contend with, as there is only one other bridge (the Dumbarton) that spans the bay, and it's farther south (the GG goes from the peninsula to Marin County, not the East Bay.) I lived in San Bruno and later in El Granada on the coast, and I am sure that the people who worked for me that lived in the East Bay and beyond wouldn't have even bothered trying to come to work with the bridge out.? You're looking at a 4-6 hour (or more) commute for many if they're coming from across the bay via an alternate route. The Bay Area is a wonderful place, but not if you're a commuter or a wanna-be homeowner.? (Just my $0.02 from living there) Dan On Nov 2, 2009, at 5:36 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > PS.? Am I reading this news item right?? In San Francisco, they've closed the Golden Gate bridge to traffic????How do people get around the bay area?? Ferry service?? Isn't the only other choice to drive all the way around the perimeter of the bay? > > Jim Alexander > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dpenoff at mac.com Mon Nov 2 16:36:15 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Mon Nov 2 16:38:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT - Bay Bridge (was Got a 1484 Rock-ola...) In-Reply-To: <20091102.192049.21694.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091102.192049.21694.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4D8CA90F-8096-4D0C-B484-355678541E13@mac.com> Heh. I'm not doing the repair work, as I got out of SF in 1998. A wonderful place to live, as long as you live close to work! I prefer the midwest - I can afford to live comfortably here, and only have a 12 minute commute. They opened the Bay Bridge this afternoon, I believe. I thought I saw a teaser about it opening on the news... Dan On Nov 2, 2009, at 7:20 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Hi Dan: > > Sorry, I had the 2 bridge names mixed up--A news article here said a > 5000 lbs. steel assembly fell down onto the road surface. I mentally > associated it with cable-steel span of the Golden Gate Bridge. > Thought that the official name of the bridge had changed for some > reason. > > I do remember from the last time I visited CA, that there aren't > many bridges crossing SF Bay. > > I do recall seeing news footage of the double-deck concrete bridge > collapsing about 10 years ago during an earthquake there. > > Hopefully, you'll be able to get the repairwork done. It sounds > like a hellacious commute. > > Jim Alexander > From dpenoff at mac.com Mon Nov 2 16:41:06 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Mon Nov 2 16:42:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT - Bay Bridge (was Got a 1484 Rock-ola...) In-Reply-To: <354.82341.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <354.82341.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <07263DF3-ACB2-48AA-8AEB-CBBAFA949A4F@mac.com> Yup, you're right - forgot about that one. I rarely ever got south of San Mateo, as I worked in South San Francisco and only had to commute from San Bruno (10 minutes) and later from El Granada on the coast just north of Half Moon Bay (about a 3040- minute commute.) I had employees that commuted from as far as Sacramento. If anything happened on the Bay Bridge, as it often did, they might not show up until lunchtime..... SF is a wonderful place to live, and I was lucky enough to have employer paid housing while I was there. Had they bought out my contract and wanted to make me a "real" employee they couldn't have afforded my pay.... I wanted to be able to own a home.... Dan On Nov 2, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Dan, > Must have been awhile since you lived here--you forgot about the San > Mateo/Hawyard bridge. It's south of the Bay, but north of the > Dumbarton-- > BTW--my grandson is commuting from here (FREE housing/food)( He is a > good kid--doing an almost, no-pay, internship), to the east bay > every day, via the SM/Hay bridge--said it only added about 30-45 > minutes the last couple of days--but he is going in the "non- > commute" directions--Ron Rich > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 2 16:58:39 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 2 17:01:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT - Bay Bridge (was Got a 1484 Rock-ola...) Message-ID: <20091102.195839.12511.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: It's been a long time since I visited CA---early 80's. Visited a friend living in Sausalito. I'm going to stop discussion of this. We're (I'm) generating too many off topic emails Not polite Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find Bathroom Remodelers Get free estimates from top-rated bathroom contractors. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=4XxzJKLjqqcsiXakIPXfTQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAJ1JKj8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYOQAAAAA= From amej at ix.netcom.com Mon Nov 2 17:51:42 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Mon Nov 2 18:30:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Ristaucrat and W2150 decals In-Reply-To: <20091102200002.A19DDAADDE@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20091102200002.A19DDAADDE@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <4AEF8CAE.8060906@ix.netcom.com> I found a good recommendation from a pinball forum. Decals can be made with your computer and printed out on decal material designed for inkjet or laser printers. This is the pinball instruction site: > http://www.seriousviewers.com/atwpin/atwbg.htm This is the supplier site: > http://www.decalpaper.com/ Here is a YouTube infomercial on the use of decals: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8XuJ0Z3bbQ I have used the material to duplicate old high school mascot decals for our class reunion. It looks real good on mugs. Dick Habegger Phelan, CA > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Jukebox-list] ristaucrat and W2150 decals > From: > "James Alexander" > > > Hello Hans: > > > To the best of my knowledge, none of the jukebox parts replicators and supply houses in the US are making the aqua-colored letter number strips that are used with a W2150 juke. The same goes for the Ristaucrat decal. Supply house Victory Glass has some generic (and some model-specific) letter-number strips. A-1 Jukebox & Nostalgia has a few unique items not offered by Victory Glass. > > It may be worth your while to check some of the jukebox hobby sites in both the UK and in Europe. It seems that some cabinet and trim parts for Wurlitzer and Rockola machines are being replicated there that are not sold in the US. > > Depending upon how driven you are to find these, if you can produce a good color photo or pieces of the original, some signage-in-a-hurry type places have the ability to replicate many designs and colors, but it will be fairly costly to have the computer-programming done. If you save the work, you'll be able to mass-produce the insignia afterward. > This covers what it would take to have someone replicate the logos. I'm not addressing any patent/royalty issues that could possibly be involved if you decided to replicate and re sell these labels. > > Jim Alexander > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 2 18:56:31 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 2 18:59:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Ristaucrat and W2150 decals Message-ID: <20091102.215631.9894.1@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Hopefully, Hans Minderman has seen all the suggestions for his decals and labels he's looking for here. Rich Myers posted a Scandinavian jukebox parts site that actually has fresh replicas of the W2150 title strip letters/numbers he's looking for. Their stock number on the site for that part is 3552. It's an exact match. No one seems to be replicating the Ristau logo. Your suggestion will probably be less costly than having a digital sign service replicate these logos. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top Bathroom Remodelers Get up to 4 free bathroom remodel estimates today. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=WRhc_JzSO-9WUZRsyzbqdgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAANvNLD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYGAAAAAA= From UFOskeptic at aol.com Tue Nov 3 01:06:26 2009 From: UFOskeptic at aol.com (UFOskeptic@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 3 01:15:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Ristaucrat Message-ID: RE: Ristaucrat Decals. I think I have a couple decals that I made by digital photography. If you can't find the repros, I can send you a pair of mine. J. Rinaldo _CorvetteJR@aol.com_ (mailto:CorvetteJR@aol.com) From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 3 05:34:00 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Tue Nov 3 05:35:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new $60.00 Rowe MM-2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <395066.61767.qm@web63204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Awesome deal! Does the juke function normally;or does it need a bit of work?? Heck even if you bought it for parts that was a steal.Cabinet looked in decent shape anyways.Please keep us updated & send us some more pics! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Mon, 10/26/09, John Hayes wrote: From: John Hayes Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new $60.00 Rowe MM-2 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Cc: "Mike Ostradick" , "Bruce Thompson" Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 10:38 PM http://kansascity.craigslist.org/clt/1422502677.html Really pretty clean inside and out. I feel like I did okay. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From garry48 at aol.com Tue Nov 3 06:59:35 2009 From: garry48 at aol.com (garry48@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 3 07:08:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock ola 1000 Message-ID: <8CC2AAD646E8BB2-453C-254FA@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> I live in San Jose Ca. and I am looking for a person who can work on this unit Garry Stoddard 408-391-0785 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 3 07:18:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 3 07:20:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock ola 1000 In-Reply-To: <8CC2AAD646E8BB2-453C-254FA@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <348916.75512.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Garry, Contact me off list-? ronnnrich@yahoo.com ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/3/09, garry48@aol.com wrote: From: garry48@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock ola 1000 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM I live in San Jose Ca. and I am looking for a person who can work on this unit Garry Stoddard 408-391-0785 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From cdstock at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 08:32:46 2009 From: cdstock at gmail.com (cdstock) Date: Tue Nov 3 08:41:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My new $60.00 Rowe MM-2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e0bc7060911030832i10ade91dw48044931acb8b404@mail.gmail.com> Listing has been deleted. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:38 PM, John Hayes wrote: > http://kansascity.craigslist.org/clt/1422502677.html > > > Really pretty clean inside and out. I feel like I did okay. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeffzurn at cox.net Tue Nov 3 12:21:24 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Tue Nov 3 12:23:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Antique Apparatus programming References: <9fb7065e0910221845n315b5890qedadf77bdc316dcb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601ca5cc3$37b1ae90$e3fb4109@ZURNT60> Can anyone share the steps to program an AA juke (rowe system) for freeplay? Thank you in advance. Jeff From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 3 12:45:44 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 3 12:47:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Antique Apparatus programming In-Reply-To: <000601ca5cc3$37b1ae90$e3fb4109@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <984879.10938.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jeff A 45 or CD ??? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: [Jukebox-list] Antique Apparatus programming To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 12:21 PM Can anyone share the steps to program an AA juke (rowe system) for freeplay? Thank you in advance. Jeff _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 3 13:00:54 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Tue Nov 3 13:02:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] continental 2 selector trouble Message-ID: Looking for AMI SME's (subject matter experts)! Continental 2 set on free play currently. When making a selection one of 2 things happen. 1. push buttons stay latched and search unit spins continuous until manual release of buttons. 2. Push buttons release, search unit spins to selection, magazine spins and then stops, mech does not go to transfer cycle. I don't have a manual (yet) Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Find the right PC with Windows 7 and Windows Live. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/pc-scout/laptop-set-criteria.aspx?cbid=wl&filt=200,2400,10,19,1,3,1,7,50,650,2,12,0,1000&cat=1,2,3,4,5,6&brands=5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16&addf=4,5,9&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:112009 From jeffzurn at cox.net Tue Nov 3 13:26:05 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Tue Nov 3 13:27:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Antique Apparatus programming References: <984879.10938.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701ca5ccc$408f0900$e3fb4109@ZURNT60> CD! Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Antique Apparatus programming Jeff A 45 or CD ?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: [Jukebox-list] Antique Apparatus programming To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 12:21 PM Can anyone share the steps to program an AA juke (rowe system) for freeplay? Thank you in advance. Jeff _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Tue Nov 3 13:50:43 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Tue Nov 3 13:52:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] continental 2 selector trouble References: Message-ID: G'day Rick, You will have to get it to complete its cycle. Manually trip the scan control, it is located, on the left side of the gripper bow. There is a trip lever on the left side under the two scan magnets that can be seen on the top of the scan control. Push all the pins back on the pin wheel so there is no selections It may be stopped at one of the pins if so push the pin back if it is stuck. Check that is fused properly. Fuses are left to right 8 amp Fast blow two 1 amp slow blow fuses. Inside the junction box there is also a 2 amp fast blow fuse to protect the junction box transformer. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] continental 2 selector trouble Looking for AMI SME's (subject matter experts)! Continental 2 set on free play currently. When making a selection one of 2 things happen. 1. push buttons stay latched and search unit spins continuous until manual release of buttons. 2. Push buttons release, search unit spins to selection, magazine spins and then stops, mech does not go to transfer cycle. I don't have a manual (yet) Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Find the right PC with Windows 7 and Windows Live. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/pc-scout/laptop-set-criteria.aspx?cbid=wl&filt=200,2400,10,19,1,3,1,7,50,650,2,12,0,1000&cat=1,2,3,4,5,6&brands=5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16&addf=4,5,9&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:112009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From maddleso at gmu.edu Tue Nov 3 14:39:47 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Tue Nov 3 14:41:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] In praise of Noxon In-Reply-To: <20091103200003.BE155AA949@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20091103200003.BE155AA949@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <3B479C34B2E64B7D98BACD06ADF71864@Marksvaio> I'm surprised that the Noxon saga has such good legs but thought I'd add my 2c worth. Ron is right to sing it's praises. I bought it originally to remove some discoloration on what was probably an incompletely rechromed area on my AMI. It did a good job. Subsequently I've used it to remove the nicotine/grease/dust layer on the grille glasses of an 'R' and to clean the steel top of the same box plus the chrome, stainless steel, and anodized decorative panels. (The stainless required lots of buffing too.} I've also used it on non-anodized aluminum with good results. I'm not sure what's in it but it disolves/removes that layer of gunk like nothing else I've used. I'm especially pleased with the way the steel top came up as the dirt came off. The original hammered finish paint is mostly intact and it looks like new. http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz112/maddleso/SeeburgRtop.jpg BTW Though made by Rickett, I'm sure it is a different concoction to Brasso. Color and consistency suggest this (though mine is getting old) and I'm orginally from the colonies where Brasso was in daily use! Mark From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 3 15:18:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 3 15:22:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] In praise of Noxon Message-ID: <20091103.181846.8161.3@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I discovered that Brasso (you normally don't see Noxon on the east coast) is great for removing smoked-on residue from painted surfaces without harming the paint, it will clean up unfinished metal surfaces (i.e. record changer decks, cabinet support brackets, etc) except for heavy rust. It works well shining up transformer laminations with surfce rust, and it can clean electronics chassis without stripping off silk-screened lettering. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Assisted Living Finder Find the right assisted living unit anywhere in the US! Free service http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=eMKqZPxSHFL1omqwHp2zhgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAGIFVD4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkCIQAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 3 15:39:23 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 3 15:41:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Antique Apparatus programming In-Reply-To: <000701ca5ccc$408f0900$e3fb4109@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <459271.29578.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jeff, Same as any Rowe CD--if you do not have any book, contact me off list and I'll type it out -- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Antique Apparatus programming To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 1:26 PM CD!? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Antique Apparatus programming Jeff A 45 or CD ?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: [Jukebox-list] Antique Apparatus programming To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 12:21 PM Can anyone share the steps to program an AA juke (rowe system) for freeplay? Thank you in advance. Jeff _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 3 15:42:39 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 3 15:44:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] In praise of Noxon In-Reply-To: <3B479C34B2E64B7D98BACD06ADF71864@Marksvaio> Message-ID: <204482.94294.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mark--I "opened" both brands--side by side--look exactly the same to me--- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Mark Addleson wrote: From: Mark Addleson Subject: [Jukebox-list] In praise of Noxon To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 2:39 PM I'm surprised that the Noxon saga has such good legs but thought I'd add my 2c worth. Ron is right to sing it's praises.? I bought it originally to remove some discoloration on what was probably an incompletely rechromed area on my AMI. It did a good job.? Subsequently I've used it to remove the nicotine/grease/dust layer on the grille glasses of an 'R' and to clean the steel top of the same box plus the chrome, stainless steel, and anodized decorative panels.? (The stainless required lots of buffing too.}? I've also used it on non-anodized aluminum with good results.? I'm not sure what's in it but it disolves/removes that layer of gunk like nothing else I've used. I'm especially pleased with the way the steel top came up as the dirt came off.? The original hammered finish paint is mostly intact and it looks like new. http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz112/maddleso/SeeburgRtop.jpg BTW Though made by Rickett, I'm sure it is a different concoction to Brasso. Color and consistency suggest this (though mine is getting old) and I'm orginally from the colonies where Brasso was in daily use! Mark _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Tue Nov 3 16:28:01 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Nov 3 16:29:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 50's Wurlitzer Selector buttons In-Reply-To: <9fb7065e0910221845n315b5890qedadf77bdc316dcb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9fb7065e0910221845n315b5890qedadf77bdc316dcb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AF0CA91.4020100@telus.net> Berry Bell wrote: > As we know, 50's Wurlitzer keyboard selector buttons often get hazy over the > years, with some sort of dust buildup inside the clear plastic covering. > Does anyone have a method of successfully removing the outer plastic case? > I'd like to be able to clean the original letter/number inside the case and > then re-use. Sometimes you get lucky and the outer plastic is loose and > allows you to clean the letter/number inside, but often they are glued > together very securely. > > Anyway, if anyone has a strategy for successfully removing them, I'd > appreciate it. I'm hopeful there is a better way than a very sharp exacto > knife. > > Thanks, > Berry > I have not found a better way to separate them other than a very thin blade. If they are full of crud then soaking them in hot soapy water may loosen the crud (dried pop/beer) enough to allow you to pull it apart. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From russodue at earthlink.net Tue Nov 3 16:27:00 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Tue Nov 3 17:06:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT - Bay Bridge (was Got a 1484 Rock-ola...) Message-ID: <12237623.1257294420846.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> There was defective craftmanship in the restructuring of the bridge. They had outsourced the work to a chinese company. That's why it failed. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Dan Penoff Sent: Nov 2, 2009 5:47 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT - Bay Bridge (was Got a 1484 Rock-ola...) Jim, They've had the Bay Bridge, not the Golden Gate, closed for a while due to an earlier "fix" made to the suspension system on the east span that failed. The Bay Bridge spans the bay from SF to Oakland and carries a humongous amount of traffic. It's infamous for the upper deck collapse during the Loma Prieta quake. You were partially right - people who use it to commute to the peninsula have a major detour to contend with, as there is only one other bridge (the Dumbarton) that spans the bay, and it's farther south (the GG goes from the peninsula to Marin County, not the East Bay.) I lived in San Bruno and later in El Granada on the coast, and I am sure that the people who worked for me that lived in the East Bay and beyond wouldn't have even bothered trying to come to work with the bridge out. You're looking at a 4-6 hour (or more) commute for many if they're coming from across the bay via an alternate route. The Bay Area is a wonderful place, but not if you're a commuter or a wanna-be homeowner. (Just my $0.02 from living there) Dan On Nov 2, 2009, at 5:36 PM, James Alexander wrote: PS. Am I reading this news item right? In San Francisco, they've closed the Golden Gate bridge to traffic? How do people get around the bay area? Ferry service? Isn't the only other choice to drive all the way around the perimeter of the bay? Jim Alexander _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From russodue at earthlink.net Tue Nov 3 16:17:00 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Tue Nov 3 18:31:24 2009 Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT - Bay Bridge (was Got a 1484 Rock-ola...) Message-ID: <4660494.1257293820760.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Forwarded Message----- >From: Russo >Sent: Nov 2, 2009 5:51 PM >To: Jukebox mailing list , Jukebox mailing list >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT - Bay Bridge (was Got a 1484 Rock-ola...) > >There was defective craftmanship in the restructuring of the bridge. >They had outsourced the work to a chinese company. That's why it failed. > > >Tony > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Dan Penoff >>Sent: Nov 2, 2009 5:47 PM >>To: Jukebox mailing list >>Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT - Bay Bridge (was Got a 1484 Rock-ola...) >> >>Jim, >> >>They've had the Bay Bridge, not the Golden Gate, closed for a while >>due to an earlier "fix" made to the suspension system on the east span >>that failed. >> >>The Bay Bridge spans the bay from SF to Oakland and carries a >>humongous amount of traffic. It's infamous for the upper deck >>collapse during the Loma Prieta quake. You were partially right - >>people who use it to commute to the peninsula have a major detour to >>contend with, as there is only one other bridge (the Dumbarton) that >>spans the bay, and it's farther south (the GG goes from the peninsula >>to Marin County, not the East Bay.) >> >>I lived in San Bruno and later in El Granada on the coast, and I am >>sure that the people who worked for me that lived in the East Bay and >>beyond wouldn't have even bothered trying to come to work with the >>bridge out. You're looking at a 4-6 hour (or more) commute for many >>if they're coming from across the bay via an alternate route. >> >>The Bay Area is a wonderful place, but not if you're a commuter or a >>wanna-be homeowner. (Just my $0.02 from living there) >> >>Dan >> >>On Nov 2, 2009, at 5:36 PM, James Alexander wrote: >> >>> >>> PS. Am I reading this news item right? In San Francisco, they've >>> closed the Golden Gate bridge to traffic? How do people get around >>> the bay area? Ferry service? Isn't the only other choice to drive >>> all the way around the perimeter of the bay? >>> >>> Jim Alexander >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Jukebox-list mailing list >>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldjukes at hotmail.com Tue Nov 3 18:53:27 2009 From: oldjukes at hotmail.com (Hans Minderman) Date: Tue Nov 3 18:57:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Ristaucrat and W2150 decals In-Reply-To: <20091102.215631.9894.1@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091102.215631.9894.1@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi All, thank you for all your suggestions. I did find the W2150 decals on the site that Rich referred to. It's actually a Dutch site by the people that organize one of the largest annual jukebox shows in Europe: 'rock around the jukebox'. I'll order a set from them. No luck on the Ristaucrat ones. -Hans > From: jalexandercc@netzero.net > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:56:31 +0000 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Ristaucrat and W2150 decals > > > > Hopefully, Hans Minderman has seen all the suggestions for his decals and labels he's looking for here. > > Rich Myers posted a Scandinavian jukebox parts site that actually has fresh replicas of the W2150 title strip letters/numbers he's looking for. Their stock number on the site for that part is 3552. It's an exact match. > No one seems to be replicating the Ristau logo. > > Your suggestion will probably be less costly than having a digital sign service replicate these logos. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Top Bathroom Remodelers > Get up to 4 free bathroom remodel estimates today. No obligation! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=WRhc_JzSO-9WUZRsyzbqdgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAANvNLD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYGAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9690331&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009 From oldjukes at hotmail.com Tue Nov 3 18:57:01 2009 From: oldjukes at hotmail.com (Hans Minderman) Date: Tue Nov 3 18:59:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Ristaucrat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi J, I haven't been able to find the Ristaucrat decals. Do you have them already printed on a waterslide backing or do you have the digital pictures only? Either way I would be interested in seeu=ing what you have. Thanks, -Hans > From: UFOskeptic@aol.com > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:06:26 -0500 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Ristaucrat > > RE: Ristaucrat Decals. I think I have a couple decals that I made by > digital photography. If you can't find the repros, I can send you a pair of > mine. J. Rinaldo _CorvetteJR@aol.com_ (mailto:CorvetteJR@aol.com) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 From ascott822 at aol.com Tue Nov 3 19:54:42 2009 From: ascott822 at aol.com (ascott822@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 3 19:56:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 poor low frequency Message-ID: <8CC2B19AC940409-35C4-1E3D4@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Thanks to James and Joey for help in resolving low volume issue with my F120. However, even tho I have adequate sound there seems to be hardly any low frequency. The bass is pathetic. The speaker is working but absolutely no kick. The upper horn highs with no bass is a bit irritating. Is this the best this box will do or what can I do to improve the sound quality. Thanks for any suggestions. Allen From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 3 21:02:41 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 3 21:06:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 poor low frequency Message-ID: <20091104.000241.26859.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Hello Scott: RE: Your AMI-F sound system Normally this jukebox with it's 2 way horn loaded speaker system is capable of filling a large room with a big-voiced sound quality. Attempting to diagnose a sound quality problem like this using this medium is a little difficult. It's sort of like calling your doctor on the phone and asking him "what's wrong with me?" But let's try a few basics if we can to isolate the problem. From your past letters you were spending some time looking at the GE mag. phono cartridge and you said this is a rebuilt amplifier,right? Sound problems can exist in the speaker system, (or possibly the room, if the acoustics are really crappy) the amplifier electronics, or in the program source (playing records) Allow yourself a good hour or two to perform these tests. In my opinion, We should start by working backwards and vindicating the speaker system. Disconnect the speaker leads from your amp and connect them to one channel of a stereo receiver, amplifier etc. If possible use a lower wattage amplifier---the AMI speaker system has a max power rating of about 35 watts. Try playing the radio, CD or other signal source through the AMI spkr system at a moderate level---how's the sound?? If it seems questionable try connecting one of your stereo speakers to the test amp and see how it sounds. If it sounds fuller than the juke speakers, the juke speaker system is at fault. This can be defective driver units that need to be replaced or repaired, a (out-of-phase) wiring error or a defective crossover network (passive elecronic components) that needs repair. As far as the room is concerned, the AMI speaker system will work best if the juke is placed in a room corner on an uncarpeted floor. Bass energy is directed out of the bottom of the cabinet, and reflected off the floor in to the room. Mid & hi frequency energy is radiated directly from the grill area on top of the juke cabinet. Last but not least, the juke cabinet needs to be standing on it's stubby legs for the bass horn to work. I've seen one of these with the legs removed. The bass horn will not work then. If this test gives you a rich sounding speaker system, then we know the problem lies further back in the signal chain, with the amplifier or program source (phono) Reconnect the jukebox speaker system to the AMI amp. Connect the terminals for max audio power to the cabinet spkrs. Next test---run an RCA to RCA plug audio cable from the tape out jack of your stereo receiver to the phono cartridge input of your AMI tube amplifier. Have the juke volume turned fully off. Next you need to "unmute" the amplifier for an audio test. The simplest thing to do is to play a selection on the juke---you will hear no sound, but this will turn on the amplifier's full power and unmute it. Try playing your radio or CD test source from the receiver to the juke amp. Bring volume up carefully---the signal will be very strong at this point, as the "tape out" signal is too strong for the hi-gain mag phono input. If you have an MP3 player with an audio out jack, use it as a test source and keep the volume on the MP3 fairly low. The signal you should be getting out of the juke amp & speakers should be pretty clean sounding, but quite bassy due to the input mismatch of the stereo into the mag phono input. If this test sounds good, then the problem lies with the AMI changer, the cartridge or it's wiring. If it sounds tinny, you have an amplifier problem. Last test If you have an audio component turntable with a mag cartridge, plug one channel of it into the AMI amplifier and play a record. This should give you a good, accurate representation of what the juke should like. Does this equipment combination sound thin and tinny? If yes, you have an amplifier problem. Here's a reverse test---Does your stereo receiver have a mag phono input? If yes, connect the stereo spkrs to the receiver, and extend the mag phono cartridge lead from the AMI changer into one input of your stereo. Play a record on the juke. Hows the sound quality of the 45 RPM playback into the stereo?? It should be similar to using your component turntable. Between all of the above tests, handled in that order, you should have a definite idea where the sound failure is occurring. Best of luck. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Home Insurance Save up to 50% on home insurance! Instant quotes - Fast & easy form. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=DyqT57lEIqMJiBoYJdA5vgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPzDDz8AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABV1JAAAAAA= From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Nov 3 21:28:47 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Nov 3 21:29:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Amp Message-ID: <200911040028615.SM04284@[192.168.1.206]> Hi everyone. I digressed from my Wurlitzer 2900 to work on my Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1. Christmas is coming and the more jukeboxes to play Christmas 45s, the better it will be in my household. The good news is that the amp works and sounds great. Now for the bad news... This jukebox never came with cabinet speakers. And I mean...it NEVER came with cabinet speakers. There's not a trace of an outline of speakers that may have been removed at one time or another. The inside dust is uniform all around the speaker openings as it is on the entire inside of the cabinet. With that said, it appears that externals were used and were plugged into the amp using the "Main Stereo Output" jacks with 1/4" plugs. The previous owner of the juke had a 10" speaker crudely attached to one of the bolts, so for testing purposes, I kept that one in place. I found a 12" full range speaker in the shop that I reconed, so I mounted that one and bolted it down. So now I've got two speakers - both connected to the amp using 1/4" plugs. When I fired up the juke, the amp seemed to be running full open. In fact, the volume control had little or no effect on the volume whatsoever. The Balance Control switched from the left to right speaker as expected... but I'm a little confused on the small black pots that are mounted next to each other - just above the bass and treble controls. These guys seem to control the master volume for each channel independently and they DO work. But the dual volume control pot mounted in a box to the jukebox's cabinet does nothing. I checked the wiring and it's as per the schematic. I'm wondering if the four .1 caps could be shot and causing the problem? Any ideas on what the trouble is? Finally, there are three "canister" type power resistors mounted on the amp. The the 180 ohm was shattered when I got the jukebox, but someone replaced it with a 200 ohm. The trouble is that both the 1820 ohm 10 watt and 7800 ohm 15 watt power resistors get EXTREMELY hot. Not enough to melt your skin, but you can't touch them for very long without getting a nasty burn. Is this normal for these resistors? Other than that, it's progress because when the previous owner fired it up, the amp did nothing but squeal! At least now it plays good...but way too loud! Aaron From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 3 21:48:55 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 3 21:51:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Amp Message-ID: <20091104.004855.26859.3@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Aaron: RE: RO 1475 amp The two top mounted ceramic resistors do get quite hot to the touch---quite normal. The 6973 output tubes normally run quite hot also. The screwdriver adjust volume limit controls are there to adjust the gain drive to the AVC circuit. There's a test procedure described in the serv manual as to the calibrastion of these controls. It sounds as if you have a broken or miswired volume control module. A broken ground lead on the volume control cable will cause the circuit to "float" so the volume control will have no effect. I think we discussed cabinet speakers once before. The machine has 2 12" full range speakers connected in a mono mode. I had a 1495 Regis juke to compare it to, which was similar, but the spkr system there had 2 12" speakers plus an HF horn. The amplifier in the 1495 is slightly modified from the Tempo amp, and it does not have the 1/4" phone plug jacks for speakers. Will the coinbox placement in your Tempo make the right hand 12" spkr have a real tight fit? One of the few 12" full range speakers with a ceramic magnet that will fit here, that's a good match acoustically is a Quam-Nichols 12C10PAX. This is a good-grade public address speaker that can be found at electronic parts supply houses. Did you get all your capacitor issues in the control chassis straightened out with your W2900? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Medical Insurance Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=3BKavUG9K83hm0RfFB6DJwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPyWGj8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABJQNAAAAAA= From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Nov 4 06:14:53 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Wed Nov 4 06:15:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Amp Message-ID: <20091104091412.SM03708@[192.168.1.206]> Hi Jim, That's exactly what I thought....a bad ground on the volume control box. Of course, I saw the caps and went into "replacement mode"...but I wanted to ask before I tore the thing apart. I'll play with it again this evening and see how I make out. I saw the adjustment for the left and right channel limit controls but I didn't mess with those other than determining if they were working as part of testing out the main volume control box. I did indeed remember the conversation we had last year about the new speakers. I still have to order those Quam-Nichols 12C10PAX (or something similar), but I have quite a few speakers in the shop and since I finished the amp late last night, it was one of those things that I could either wait a week or two for speakers, or pop something in just to test the amp. What I REALLY want to do is hook up one of the extra sets of Polk Monitor 10 speakers I have to the amp and place those in the room. Now THAT should be enough to pull the ceiling tiles down. I wonder if that amp would have enough power to drive beefy stereo speakers like that. ARGGHH! I wish I wasn't at work right now! And yes...I did get everything with the 546 amp working correctly. It turns out that I had all the caps wired up as per the schematic. I just have to learn to STOP working on a jukebox when I'm tired and not push too hard to get these projects done. That's when I get confused, second guess myself, and start making mistakes. Thanks so much for all your help and advice with that. I still have to clean the start switches, but for the most part, the 2900 is ready to come into the house. Aaron Heverin -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander jalexandercc@netzero.net Sent 11/4/2009 12:48:55 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Amp Aaron: RE: RO 1475 amp The two top mounted ceramic resistors do get quite hot to the touch---qu ite normal. The 6973 output tubes normally run quite hot also. The screwdriver adjust volume limit controls are there to adjust the gai n drive to the AVC circuit. There's a test procedure described in the s erv manual as to the calibrastion of these controls. It sounds as if you have a broken or miswired volume control module. A broken ground lead on the volume control cable will cause the circuit t o "float" so the volume control will have no effect. I think we discussed cabinet speakers once before. The machine has 2 1 2" full range speakers connected in a mono mode. I had a 1495 Regis juke to compare it to, which was similar, but the spkr system there had 2 12" speakers plus an HF horn. The amplifier in the 1495 is slightly modified from the Tempo amp, and it does not have the 1/4" phone plug j acks for speakers. Will the coinbox placement in your Tempo make the right hand 12" spkr ha ve a real tight fit? One of the few 12" full range speakers with a ce ramic magnet that will fit here, that's a good match acoustically is a Q uam-Nichols 12C10PAX. This is a good-grade public address speaker tha t can be found at electronic parts supply houses. Did you get all your capacitor issues in the control chassis straightene d out with your W2900? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Medical Insurance Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=3BKavUG9K83hm0RfFB6DJwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPyWGj8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABJQN AAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From steve at pro-ns.net Wed Nov 4 07:58:21 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Wed Nov 4 08:00:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 poor low frequency In-Reply-To: <8CC2B19AC940409-35C4-1E3D4@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC2B19AC940409-35C4-1E3D4@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20091104155821.GX18866@pro-ns.net> On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 10:54:42PM -0500, ascott822@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to James and Joey for help in resolving low volume issue with > my F120. However, even tho I have adequate sound there seems to be > hardly any low frequency. The bass is pathetic. The speaker is > working but absolutely no kick. The upper horn highs with no bass > is a bit irritating. > Is this the best this box will do or what can I do to improve the > sound quality. Thanks for any suggestions. Allen Jim had some good suggestions. I thought I'd add my $0.02 worth. You've tried all the various settings of the two tone control switches on the amplifier, right? Jim mentioned the crossover; I'm chiming in to say I've actually seen things go bad in the crossover. When I first got my F120, it had the opposite problem as yours: there was no sound from the horn tweeter. This was because of a bad capacitor in the crossover network. I don't know if a similar fault could cause the LF driver to be unpowered or have reduced volume. If you have an audio system you can use as a test amplifier, you could use it to try powering the bass horn driver directly (disconnect it from the crossover and hook to your test amp). If that's bad, it's in the driver or the wiring to it. If that's OK, try hooking the crossover's input connections to your test amp. If that's bad, it's in the crossover. If that's good, it's in the amp, or back before that in the cartridge / wiring. If you don't have a test amp, you can probably at least rule out the crossover by temporarily connecting the jukebox amp output directly to the bass driver. The other point I have to make is in regards to the recommended room placement and hard floor beneath, as Jim also mentioned. These things will have *some* effect on a propperly functioning F, but probably not enough that you'd be making these complaints about it. Mine sits in a corner but on a thickly carpeted floor, for instance, and still gives the surround sound home theater system (with powered subwoofer) in the same room a run for it's money when it comes to bass output. --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Copyright is a temporary loan from the public domain, not property. From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Nov 4 08:34:48 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Wed Nov 4 08:35:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 poor low frequency Message-ID: <200911041134352.SM04284@[192.168.1.206]> Allen, I'll chime in on this one as well since I've seen everything with these AMIs. Steve is right on with testing the crossover by taking the speaker out of an external amp and clipping on to the two speaker posts mounted on the cabinet. If the crossover and the speakers are working fine, then you'll turn your F cabinet into one of the most incredible sounding speakers ever made. I've got two cabinets in the shop that are used only for speakers. Let's just say my neighbor on the shop side hates me. I've had two crossovers go bad on me, but like Steve said, it's usually the high end that gets roached. Check to see that you've got the speaker outputs of the amp hooked up correctly. I'm doing this from memory since I'm at work, but I believe that you need to use terminals #5 and #7 on the amp. I'm drawing a complete blank as to which wires get connected from the terminal strip to the speaker posts in the cabinet and the crossover. Hopefully someone else can chime in on this one. Finally - and I've seen this one before too - check the condition of the woofer itself. You will obviously have to to remove the credit unit and unscrew the woofer compartment door to see it, but once you get a light in the compartment, you'll know if there's anything going on as far as wire damage or if one of the wires have broken off one of the clips that attaches to the INSIDE of the speaker binding posts. You may also have a critter infestation that happened at one time. I've had two woofers destroyed by mice. Unless the mice completely demolish the cone, the speaker may still work but sound like crap. Aaron Heverin -----Original Message----- From: Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Sent 11/4/2009 10:58:21 AM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 poor low frequency On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 10:54:42PM -0500, ascott822@aol.com wrote: Thanks to James and Joey for help in resolving low volume issue with my F120. However, even tho I have adequate sound there seems to be hardly any low frequency. The bass is pathetic. The speaker is working but absolutely no kick. The upper horn highs with no bass is a bit irritating. Is this the best this box will do or what can I do to improve the sound quality. Thanks for any suggestions. Allen Jim had some good suggestions. I thought I'd add my $0.02 worth. You've tried all the various settings of the two tone control switches on the amplifier, right? Jim mentioned the crossover; I'm chiming in to say I've actually seen things go bad in the crossover. When I first got my F120, it had the opposite problem as yours: there was no sound from the horn tweeter. This was because of a bad capacitor in the crossover network. I don't know if a similar fault could cause the LF driver to be unpowered or have reduced volume. If you have an audio system you can use as a test amplifier, you could use it to try powering the bass horn driver directly (disconnect it from the crossover and hook to your test amp). If that's bad, it's in the driver or the wiring to it. If that's OK, try hooking the crossover's input connections to your test amp. If that's bad, it's in the crossover. If that's good, it's in the amp, or back before that in the cartridge / wiring. If you don't have a test amp, you can probably at least rule out the crossover by temporarily connecting the jukebox amp output directly to the bass driver. The other point I have to make is in regards to the recommended room placement and hard floor beneath, as Jim also mentioned. These things will have *some* effect on a propperly functioning F, but probably not enough that you'd be making these complaints about it. Mine sits in a corner but on a thickly carpeted floor, for instance, and still gives the surround sound home theater system (with powered subwoofer) in the same room a run for it's money when it comes to bass output. -- Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Copyright is a temporary loan from the public domain, not property. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Nov 4 09:49:40 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Nov 4 09:53:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Amp Message-ID: <20091104.124940.17791.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Aaron: A key to evaluating speaker cabinet or a raw-frame driver performance is to evaluate the printed specifications. To determine whether an older low-power amplifier can drive a speaker look at it's sensitivity. This is a rating taken with a sound level meter, placed at 1 meter (roughly 3feet) in front of the speaker being tested. Input to the device is a sine wave tone, at a (measured) one watt signal strength. The speaker sensitivity rating will be measured in Decibels (db) The higher the number, the more sensitive (efficient) the device is. Many of today's speaker designs are very inefficient by comparison, as it so easy to build high-output amplifiers cheaply now. Even a Bose Wave radio has a 25W/ch amplifier section in it. A raw frame 12" full range speaker should have a sensitivity rating in the order of 93 to 97 db, @ 1w, 1M. If your speakers sensitivity rating are down in the 80's or lower, they will not perform well with a 20 watt max output amplifier. If your speaker mfr won't list this value, they are usually ashamed to show it. Hope this helps you, P.S. My fulltime job is a commercial sound system designer. I know what I'm doing with this stuff. RE: Your RO amp. I'm glad you found the break in the vol control wire. The caps in the vol control box are part of the loudness contour circuit for your amp (makes it sound rich & full at low volumes) I'd replace them with new ones if I were you. Most of the cap-kit suppliers do include these when you buy an RO Tempo kit. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Financial Aid Online Search for online schools offering financial aid. Free information! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=x-eoOWorPsK-yDTcBTNaCAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAGae7j4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYxFQAAAAA= From jay at west.net Wed Nov 4 11:29:55 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Nov 4 11:31:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 poor low frequency In-Reply-To: <8CC2B19AC940409-35C4-1E3D4@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC2B19AC940409-35C4-1E3D4@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4AF1D633.6040101@west.net> ascott822@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to James and Joey for help in resolving low volume issue with my F120. However, even tho I have adequate sound there seems to be hardly any low frequency. The bass is pathetic. The speaker is working but absolutely no kick. The upper horn highs with no bass is a bit irritating. > Is this the best this box will do or what can I do to improve the sound quality. Thanks for any suggestions. Allen This is somewhat of a longshot, but check to see if the cathode bypass capacitors in the amplifier are good and correct. These are the 20 microfarad 25 volt capacitor from pin 8 of V2 to ground and the 20 microfarad 50 volt capacitor from the 6L6 cathodes to ground. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Nov 4 11:34:13 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Wed Nov 4 11:35:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers Message-ID: <004901ca5d85$caf88a80$60e99f80$@net> Question for the NSM ju(n)kies.. Are the two bottom speakers.the ones with the red cones, true woofers, subs, or full range drivers? I believe mine are shot and a couple calls to local reconing services lead me to believe they are not cost effective to get repaired. Without tearing my box apart to measure, anyone know, off the top of their head if they are 8 or 10 inch? Service manual says they are 6.5 ohm, if I am reading correctly. Does this mean they are probably 6 ohm? I am not sure how they are measured. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Rich From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Wed Nov 4 12:37:29 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed Nov 4 12:45:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 poor low frequency In-Reply-To: <4AF1D633.6040101@west.net> Message-ID: <283928.43483.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Want my 10 cents worth? This sounds ways out there but I have seen it happen more times then I can count. The AMI F and G are very similar birds when it comes to the sound system. YOU must NOT play the juke on a carpeted floor otherwise all the bass is absorbed into the carpet making the bass sound horrible. MY G-200, even though It needs some bits for it concerning the cosmetics and the selector unit).?The sound is just amazing both the F and G are ther best sounding AMI of all time. ? ? --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 poor low frequency To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 2:29 PM ascott822@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to James and Joey for help in resolving low volume issue with my F120.? However, even tho I have adequate sound there seems to be hardly any low frequency.? The bass is pathetic.? The speaker is working but absolutely no kick.? The upper horn highs with no bass is a bit irritating. > Is this the best this box will do or what can I do to improve the sound quality.? Thanks for any suggestions.? Allen This is somewhat of a longshot, but check to see if the cathode bypass capacitors in the amplifier are good and correct.? These are the 20 microfarad 25 volt capacitor from pin 8 of V2 to ground and the 20 microfarad 50 volt capacitor from the 6L6 cathodes to ground. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Nov 4 13:21:49 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Nov 4 13:25:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 poor low frequency Message-ID: <20091104.162149.8347.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Scott: Don't know if you've taken the time to read the long-winded email I sent you advising of some test procedures to take regarding the diagnosis of your AMI sound problem. Today I see that a few others have chimed in offering advice. You'll be better off in the long run, if you first determine and identify whether you've got a speaker or acoustics related problem, an electronics problem, or a problem with the record player/phono cartridge, or possibly little faults with all of the above. If you handle the simple tests, in the order I listed them, you'll quickly conclude in which area where your problem lies, probably without spending money to do it. While many of the others here are eager to assist, and have suggested spkr changes, x-over modifications, cap changes in the amp etc, (they are good ideas--- they are all possible defects you could have), you could spend extra time and money replacing parts and chasing this evasive problem until you identify the problem area of your audio signal chain. Until you can narrow the problem down somewhat, think macro, not micro. FYI I've been an electronics tech and my fulltime job is a commercial sound systems designer. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Online Medical Insurance Get free online medical insurance quotes and save more money today. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=JoKMwojvpxK4UDZkpWtKjgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAADTqGD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABJQNQAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Nov 4 13:39:04 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Nov 4 13:42:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers Message-ID: <20091104.163904.8347.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Rich: Most NSM jukes use a 3 way speaker scheme, where the bass-reproducing speakers are fed a full range audio signal from the amp. Up at the top there are usually 4" or 5" diameter mid range speakers and 3" diameter dome or cone tweeters. The mid and high freq speakers' signals are routed through high-pass capacitors in the speaker line. The capacitor's function is to block low frequencies from reaching those speakers. To answer the woofer question, the speakers have high-resonance cones (usually with a stiff, folded paper surround) that will let these speakers reproduce frequencies out to 2,000 -3,000 Hz where the response naturally falls off. The definition of a subwoofer is a spkr that generally reproduces the 30 Hz to 250Hz range. I don't know whether your City 4 uses 10" or 12" speakers, but the reconing guy you spoke to is offering good advice. The speakers are fairly low cost drivers that will cost more to recone than to just buy suitable replacements. I have a service manual for an NSM ES160 Prestige II where the bottom speakers are 10"units. Contact me, and I'll help you select suitable replacements. P.S. What makes you think that the woofers are defective? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! 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No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=HbdCIkIOMIp_KrwRSpbzdwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAF1fkz8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Wed Nov 4 15:15:31 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Wed Nov 4 15:17:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers In-Reply-To: <20091104.163904.8347.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <48344.78751.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> I have a city2 similar configuration as the city4, the original bass speakers were orange cones with chrome dust caps and pressed steel baskets ( cheap and nasty ) I replaced mine with a pair of pioneer units out of a set of wrecked stereo cabinets.. sound great even pushed to the limit of the amplifier.. they are either 8" or "10Cheers John --- On Thu, 5/11/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 10:39 AM Rich: Most NSM jukes use a 3 way speaker scheme, where the bass-reproducing speakers are fed a full range audio signal from the amp. Up at the top there are usually 4" or 5" diameter mid range speakers and 3" diameter dome or cone tweeters.???The mid and high freq speakers' signals are routed through high-pass capacitors in the speaker line.? The capacitor's function is to block low frequencies from reaching those speakers.? To answer the woofer question, the speakers have high-resonance cones (usually with a stiff, folded paper surround)? that will let these speakers reproduce frequencies out to 2,000 -3,000 Hz where the? response naturally falls off.? ? ? The definition of a subwoofer is a spkr that generally reproduces the 30 Hz to 250Hz range. I don't know whether your City 4 uses 10" or 12" speakers, but the reconing guy you spoke to is offering good advice. The speakers are fairly low cost drivers that will cost more to recone than to just buy suitable replacements.? I have a service manual for an NSM ES160? Prestige II where the bottom speakers are 10"units.? Contact me, and I'll help you select suitable replacements.? P.S.? What makes you think that the woofers are defective? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=HbdCIkIOMIp_KrwRSpbzdwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAF1fkz8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From steve.lane at dishmail.net Wed Nov 4 15:59:37 2009 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Wed Nov 4 16:07:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record magazine assembly Message-ID: <61088cf90911041559s7ecd9e6ah6e48b734ac9e1928@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have a 3500 that seems to work fine in Service mode but when I try to run it from the front panel buttons, the selector works fine in the bottom of the cabinet, but the magazine does not move. I also noticed that the small light bulb outside of the control unit assembly is never on but the bulb is fine. What are the usual suspects for this type of problem? Thanks for any help out there! Steve From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Nov 4 17:58:14 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Nov 4 18:00:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 poor low frequency References: <283928.43483.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004701ca5dbb$6f784160$48944e18@compaq> The location of the AMI F or G would not make the difference in bass or no bass. Highs or no highs. Sure, there would be sound quality and volume differences in ideal location as compared to non ideal. No matter where you locate it, it would not cause a concern like this. My F is always on carpet. I have used it outside on the grass, in my garage on concrete and mostly on carpet. All locations have slight variations in sound but all locations sound good. Real good actually. Allen has a sound system problem for sure and it is definately not the location of the juke. I am just catching up on emails now, but Jim, Jay and Aaron have good advise to isolate the problem. Joey McDonald From dpenoff at mac.com Wed Nov 4 18:07:53 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Wed Nov 4 18:09:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Tone Arm Landing Message-ID: <364F824B-0771-4AE4-8A31-827694668701@mac.com> Despite adjusting the mechanism as described in the service manual, I can't seem to arrive at an acceptable point where the tone arm lands on the record in the proper place. If I watch closely, even when the linkage(s) have the tone arm pin "trapped" where it should be at that point in the process, the tone arm "jumps" towards the center of the record when it lets down on the record, at the same time the mechanism releases it. I can move the tone arm by hand and get it against the adjusting screw to set it per the procedure in the manual, but it still jumps. Any suggestions, or am I missing something? Dan From jay at west.net Wed Nov 4 18:47:14 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Nov 4 18:48:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Tone Arm Landing In-Reply-To: <364F824B-0771-4AE4-8A31-827694668701@mac.com> References: <364F824B-0771-4AE4-8A31-827694668701@mac.com> Message-ID: <4AF23CB2.6030507@west.net> Dan Penoff wrote: > Despite adjusting the mechanism as described in the service manual, I > can't seem to arrive at an acceptable point where the tone arm lands on > the record in the proper place. If I watch closely, even when the > linkage(s) have the tone arm pin "trapped" where it should be at that > point in the process, the tone arm "jumps" towards the center of the > record when it lets down on the record, at the same time the mechanism > releases it. > > I can move the tone arm by hand and get it against the adjusting screw > to set it per the procedure in the manual, but it still jumps. > > Any suggestions, or am I missing something? Is the tone arm wire stiff, twisted to pull the stylus inward, or tight? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dpenoff at mac.com Wed Nov 4 18:53:17 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Wed Nov 4 18:54:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Tone Arm Landing In-Reply-To: <4AF23CB2.6030507@west.net> References: <364F824B-0771-4AE4-8A31-827694668701@mac.com> <4AF23CB2.6030507@west.net> Message-ID: Unfortunately not. That was one of the first things I looked for. Thanks, Dan On Nov 4, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > > Is the tone arm wire stiff, twisted to pull the stylus inward, or > tight? From evergreener at juno.com Wed Nov 4 19:12:37 2009 From: evergreener at juno.com (evergreener@juno.com) Date: Wed Nov 4 19:16:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburge B Selection Challenge Message-ID: <20091104.191237.29902.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Hi all- Appreciate everyone here- My B selects A-H 1-10 normally always. J&K I get nothing when the mechanism is over to the left (as in playing the A's)- If I play an H or so- then I can select all J's and K's normally- Also- when the select light is out I can hear an electrical connection buzz (very mild) on all letters equally when I press them. My first thought was dirty J&K in the electrical selector- but the "also" makes me think it could be the pinbank? thoughts? thanks in advance Matthew Olympia Wa ____________________________________________________________ Film School The Art Institutes - Get Info on the Digital Film & Video Program. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=Z2Ba7V0Lx11gdeQe9hl_pQAAJz0xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAACMh3j4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhBOQAAAAA= From carbide2chips at yahoo.com Wed Nov 4 19:40:30 2009 From: carbide2chips at yahoo.com (Scott Sukopp) Date: Wed Nov 4 19:42:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems Message-ID: <509288.8878.qm@web110009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have an Seeburg HF100R with a couple of odd problems I want to run past everyone. First off, the amp is totally re-capped with good quality parts, but I did not replace any resistors. Tubes seem to be fine, but have not been checked. Mech is cleaned and lubed to specs. Motor coupling and 'donuts' are original, and most likely need replacing. Slight hum and vibration during scan is present. Problem #1: blowing 8 ohm side speaker... The very first side speaker off of the amp (from behind - left side) has blown twice. After "blowing", they sound very fuzzy and scratchy, so I assume they are shot. After the first one went, I pulled one out of my parts box thinking that it may be normal for a 60 year old speaker to fail, but after a day or two of little use, to have the replacement blow, something must be wrong. Could it be one of the chokes are bad, or possibly a bad resistor somewhere? It sounded great for a short time. The speaker switch is set to 25 watts as the manual states, with no external speakers. Bass and treble are both set at '3'. My fear is that the problem will spread to ALL of them, eventually blowing them in order, so I need to find a solution ASAP. Problem #2: loud screech on record clamping... This one is really strange, but after reading some other posts, I thought of the drive motor. Right at the point of the record clamping and the pickup arm is released, there is a loud SCREECH (sounds like a needle moving across a record). At first I thought it was the pickup arm landing, then jumping towards the center of the record a few grooves. This is not the case. I tested this theory by holding the arm from touching the record at the point of clamping and playing... no change - still screeches. Also, it only does it on side 'A' (mech scan right, pickup arm on left). Possible timing problem with mute switches? Motor torque problem? Maybe the two problems are related somehow. Any possible answers are greatly appreciated. Thanks! Scott Sukopp From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 4 20:08:05 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 4 20:09:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Tone Arm Landing In-Reply-To: <364F824B-0771-4AE4-8A31-827694668701@mac.com> Message-ID: <312560.79942.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dan, What's it hitting ?? The needle brush--maybe ? -- something "underneath" ?--or is the TT in the wrong position ? Or is the linkage binding ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Dan Penoff wrote: From: Dan Penoff Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Tone Arm Landing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 6:07 PM Despite adjusting the mechanism as described in the service manual, I can't seem to arrive at an acceptable point where the tone arm lands on the record in the proper place.? If I watch closely, even when the linkage(s) have the tone arm pin "trapped" where it should be at that point in the process, the tone arm "jumps" towards the center of the record when it lets down on the record, at the same time the mechanism releases it. I can move the tone arm by hand and get it against the adjusting screw to set it per the procedure in the manual, but it still jumps. Any suggestions, or am I missing something? Dan _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 4 20:35:51 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 4 20:37:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburge B Selection Challenge In-Reply-To: <20091104.191237.29902.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <378585.93229.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Matthew, You have a strange set of symptoms there-- First of all, has the CCU been modified for "free play"--if so, how ? Is it "buzzing" with, or without credit established ? Second--there is no relationship between where the carriage happens to be and your ability to "make selections". You can remove the SA Unit from the mechanism, and still make selections--so--I think a little more research is needed here-- I would suspect switch "H" in the ES as the most likely culprit. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/4/09, evergreener@juno.com wrote: From: evergreener@juno.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburge B Selection Challenge To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:12 PM Hi all- Appreciate everyone here- My B selects A-H 1-10 normally always. J&K I get nothing when the mechanism is over to the left (as in playing the A's)- If I play an H or so- then I can select all J's and K's normally- Also- when the select light is out I can hear an electrical connection buzz (very mild) on all letters equally when I press them. My first thought was dirty J&K? in the electrical selector- but the "also" makes me think it could be the pinbank? thoughts? thanks in advance Matthew Olympia Wa? ____________________________________________________________ Film School The Art Institutes - Get Info on the Digital Film & Video Program. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=Z2Ba7V0Lx11gdeQe9hl_pQAAJz0xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAACMh3j4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhBOQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 4 20:55:57 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 4 20:57:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record magazine assembly In-Reply-To: <61088cf90911041559s7ecd9e6ah6e48b734ac9e1928@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <537609.26495.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Steve, I'm assuming that you are saying that a selector pin is being released--if so, something in the "wobble plate switch" circuit is remaining open.? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/4/09, STEVE LANE wrote: From: STEVE LANE Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record magazine assembly To: "jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com" Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 3:59 PM Hi, I have a 3500 that seems to work fine in Service mode but when I try to run it from the front panel buttons, the selector works fine in the bottom of the cabinet, but the magazine does not move. I also noticed that the small light bulb outside of the control unit assembly is never on but the bulb is fine. What are the usual suspects for this type of problem? Thanks for any help out there! Steve _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 4 21:02:56 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 4 21:04:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems In-Reply-To: <509288.8878.qm@web110009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <582232.30341.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, I don't understand a few things--- 1. How can the "tubes seem to be fine", if unchecked ? 2. Where is the "screech" coming from--the mechanism or speakers ? 3. Since I don't have a cabinet to look at--what is the speaker number that you are having a problem with--are they all wired correctly ? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Scott Sukopp wrote: From: Scott Sukopp Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:40 PM I have an Seeburg HF100R with a couple of odd problems I want to run past everyone. First off, the amp is totally re-capped with good quality parts, but I did not replace any resistors. Tubes seem to be fine, but have not been checked. Mech is cleaned and lubed to specs. Motor coupling and 'donuts' are original, and most likely need replacing. Slight hum and vibration during scan is present. Problem #1: blowing 8 ohm side speaker... The very first side speaker off of the amp (from behind - left side) has blown twice. After "blowing", they sound very fuzzy and scratchy, so I assume they are shot. After the first one went, I pulled one out of my parts box thinking that it may be normal for a 60 year old speaker to fail, but after a day or two of little use, to have the replacement blow, something must be wrong. Could it be one of the chokes are bad, or possibly a bad resistor somewhere? It sounded great for a short time. The speaker switch is set to 25 watts as the manual states, with no external speakers. Bass and treble are both set at '3'. My fear is that the problem will spread to ALL of them, eventually blowing them in order, so I need to find a solution ASAP. Problem #2: loud screech on record clamping... This one is really strange, but after reading some other posts, I thought of the drive motor. Right at the point of the record clamping and the pickup arm is released, there is a loud SCREECH (sounds like a needle moving across a record). At first I thought it was the pickup arm landing, then jumping towards the center of the record a few grooves. This is not the case. I tested this theory by holding the arm from touching the record at the point of clamping and playing... no change - still screeches. Also, it only does it on side 'A' (mech scan right, pickup arm on left). Possible timing problem with mute switches? Motor torque problem? Maybe the two problems are related somehow. Any possible answers are greatly appreciated. Thanks! Scott Sukopp ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Nov 4 21:05:03 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Nov 4 21:08:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems Message-ID: <20091105.000503.26881.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Scott: RE: Seeb HF100R speakers The 2 8" sidewall speakers are wired in series with each other, in order to maintain an impedance match to the amplifier. Although you replaced 1 speaker, if the other unchanged one has an intermittent voice coil,both 8" units will sound bad. Most likely you need to change out the other one. Depending on what environment your juke had been subject to will determine whether the 60 year old speakers are still in good shape or not. If the unit had been subject to much heat or humidity, the speakers themselves are failing from old age. It's not likely that you are doing anything to damage them in normal use. If you decide to replace speakers rather than recone them, make sure that you match up the specifications of the replacement driver units to equal or surpass the original units. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Medical Insurance Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Lx4rzBgKFcZE9LgmlfzzxAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAADTqGD8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgBgAAAAA= From pinball at telus.net Wed Nov 4 22:12:41 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Nov 4 22:14:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Tone Arm Landing In-Reply-To: <364F824B-0771-4AE4-8A31-827694668701@mac.com> References: <364F824B-0771-4AE4-8A31-827694668701@mac.com> Message-ID: <4AF26CD9.809@telus.net> Dan Penoff wrote: > Despite adjusting the mechanism as described in the service manual, I > can't seem to arrive at an acceptable point where the tone arm lands > on the record in the proper place. If I watch closely, even when the > linkage(s) have the tone arm pin "trapped" where it should be at that > point in the process, the tone arm "jumps" towards the center of the > record when it lets down on the record, at the same time the mechanism > releases it. > > I can move the tone arm by hand and get it against the adjusting screw > to set it per the procedure in the manual, but it still jumps. > > Any suggestions, or am I missing something? > > Dan > _______ Hi Dan, You are indeed missing something. The adjustment for the tone arm is fairly straight forward, however you must follow the directions exactly. When the tone arm bounces that usually means the linkage isn't fully settled. I do not quite recall the exact details - more a visual guy - but I do recall that the tone arm swing lock down hex head machine screw is not tightened until the tone arm is settled and dropping onto the record. This is controlled by the scan power switch. The side hex machine bolt sets the drop position, the tone arm hex machine bolt sets the play. There should be no play at the point where the two jaws of the tone arm moving assembly open. If this is not clear enough I'll review the manual and rewrite it tomorrow... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Nov 4 22:32:15 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Nov 4 22:35:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record magaz ine assembly Message-ID: <20091105.013215.18653.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Steve: A few questions and tests you can run on your Wurlamatic record changer to determine the cause of the problem. Before you begin making adjustments, I asume you have a copy of the W3500 service manual. If you write in a selection, have you looked below and verified that the hammer solenoids are releasing a selecto r pin? The fault is that the record carrier will not begin to run when the service switch "scan-stop-run" is in the run position and a pin is released? But if you flip the switch to the scan position the changer starts? If you then flip the switch back to the run mode does the unit stop and play all the selected pins? The record basket should make 2 revolutions, picking up all selections, then stop at the A1 "home" position. At the rear of the record basket (at the 1 o'clock position) there is an override switch housing. This switch starts/stops the mechanism. Remove the top cover's two screws. As you write in a selection, the solenoid should stroke and open the gear wheel,closing the switch, which will start the mechanism. Look here for a mechanical fault. By using the scan switch, does the solenoid stroke operate the overide switch?. The scan mode provides an overriding switch closure to the solenoid. Using the keyboard sends a closure impulse to the solenoid via the electronics in the control chassis. Here there could be a failed capacitor, relay, resistor etc. that will need to be traced and serviced. I can guide you to more answers once you definitely determine the above events. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-t_BJOImmsMqjrZioK2evwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAF1fkz8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From mmarsh16 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 4 22:33:24 2009 From: mmarsh16 at hotmail.com (Mike Marsh) Date: Wed Nov 4 22:42:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers In-Reply-To: <48344.78751.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <20091104.163904.8347.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Hey Rich, I have a City 4, very similar to John's (Thanks Again for the manual John), and the Bottom woofers are 10" on mine. Hope that helps. Have Fun, Mike > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:15:31 -0800 > From: metrocinema@xtra.co.nz > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > I have a city2 similar configuration as the city4, the original bass speakers were orange cones with chrome dust caps and pressed steel baskets ( cheap and nasty ) I replaced mine with a pair of pioneer units out of a set of wrecked stereo cabinets.. sound great even pushed to the limit of the amplifier.. they are either 8" or "10Cheers John > > --- On Thu, 5/11/09, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 10:39 AM > > > > Rich: > > Most NSM jukes use a 3 way speaker scheme, where the bass-reproducing speakers are fed a full range audio signal from the amp. Up at the top there are usually 4" or 5" diameter mid range speakers and 3" diameter dome or cone tweeters. The mid and high freq speakers' signals are routed through high-pass capacitors in the speaker line. The capacitor's function is to block low frequencies from reaching those speakers. > > To answer the woofer question, the speakers have high-resonance cones (usually with a stiff, folded paper surround) that will let these speakers reproduce frequencies out to 2,000 -3,000 Hz where the response naturally falls off. The definition of a subwoofer is a spkr that generally reproduces the 30 Hz to 250Hz range. > > I don't know whether your City 4 uses 10" or 12" speakers, but the reconing guy you spoke to is offering good advice. The speakers are fairly low cost drivers that will cost more to recone than to just buy suitable replacements. I have a service manual for an NSM ES160 Prestige II where the bottom speakers are 10"units. > > Contact me, and I'll help you select suitable replacements. > > P.S. What makes you think that the woofers are defective? > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Instant Debt Consolidation Quote > Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=HbdCIkIOMIp_KrwRSpbzdwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAF1fkz8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Wed Nov 4 23:46:06 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Wed Nov 4 23:47:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record magazine assembly In-Reply-To: <537609.26495.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <167003.7303.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> hi Steve,the lamp you refer to will only flash during part of the selection/cancel cycle, it doesn't stay on.cheers john --- On Thu, 5/11/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record magazine assembly To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 5:55 PM Steve, I'm assuming that you are saying that a selector pin is being released--if so, something in the "wobble plate switch" circuit is remaining open.? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/4/09, STEVE LANE wrote: From: STEVE LANE Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record magazine assembly To: "jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com" Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 3:59 PM Hi, I have a 3500 that seems to work fine in Service mode but when I try to run it from the front panel buttons, the selector works fine in the bottom of the cabinet, but the magazine does not move. I also noticed that the small light bulb outside of the control unit assembly is never on but the bulb is fine. What are the usual suspects for this type of problem? Thanks for any help out there! Steve _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Nov 5 00:20:28 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Nov 5 00:24:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers Message-ID: <20091105.032028.19013.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Rich: If you need to buy new 10" full range drivers, these would be a good fit acoustically for your NSM juke. Both of these are round frame speakers. A lot of Euro-made equipment tend to use square frame spkrs where the bolt hole pattern is slighly different. Check measurements before buying Both of these speakers are in the $40-50 price range. >From Parts Express www. partsexpress.com 2 speaker choices Eminence Alpha 10-A Parts Express SKU # 290-403 Goldwood GW1058 Parts Express SKU # 290-380 JIm A. ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=odnxYmvFL5xwGmx6YJq--gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAF1fkz8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From carbide2chips at yahoo.com Thu Nov 5 04:32:43 2009 From: carbide2chips at yahoo.com (Scott Sukopp) Date: Thu Nov 5 04:34:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems In-Reply-To: <582232.30341.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <923671.2582.qm@web110011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ron, Thanks for the response. I do not have a tube tester, so I cannot confirm that they are all working at top performance. The tubes glow normally, and the box functioned perfectly for a few days, so I assumed they are OK. And yes, I plan on getting a tester in the near future. The "screech" is coming through the speakers. That is why I thought of the mute switch out of timing, in combination with a motor torque issue. Just a thought. The schematic for the MRA5-L6 is vague on numbering of the speakers, but I would say it is #LS4. They are wired in pairs, in series. The speakers are wired according the the schematic. I can scan the schematic to a PDF and send it to if you wish. BTW - all 4 of the other 8 ohm side speakers sound fine, with no distortion. --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 11:02 PM Scott, I don't understand a few things--- 1. How can the "tubes seem to be fine", if unchecked ? 2. Where is the "screech" coming from--the mechanism or speakers ? 3. Since I don't have a cabinet to look at--what is the speaker number that you are having a problem with--are they all wired correctly ? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Scott Sukopp wrote: From: Scott Sukopp Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:40 PM I have an Seeburg HF100R with a couple of odd problems I want to run past everyone. First off, the amp is totally re-capped with good quality parts, but I did not replace any resistors. Tubes seem to be fine, but have not been checked. Mech is cleaned and lubed to specs. Motor coupling and 'donuts' are original, and most likely need replacing. Slight hum and vibration during scan is present. Problem #1: blowing 8 ohm side speaker... The very first side speaker off of the amp (from behind - left side) has blown twice. After "blowing", they sound very fuzzy and scratchy, so I assume they are shot. After the first one went, I pulled one out of my parts box thinking that it may be normal for a 60 year old speaker to fail, but after a day or two of little use, to have the replacement blow, something must be wrong. Could it be one of the chokes are bad, or possibly a bad resistor somewhere? It sounded great for a short time. The speaker switch is set to 25 watts as the manual states, with no external speakers. Bass and treble are both set at '3'. My fear is that the problem will spread to ALL of them, eventually blowing them in order, so I need to find a solution ASAP. Problem #2: loud screech on record clamping... This one is really strange, but after reading some other posts, I thought of the drive motor. Right at the point of the record clamping and the pickup arm is released, there is a loud SCREECH (sounds like a needle moving across a record). At first I thought it was the pickup arm landing, then jumping towards the center of the record a few grooves. This is not the case. I tested this theory by holding the arm from touching the record at the point of clamping and playing... no change - still screeches. Also, it only does it on side 'A' (mech scan right, pickup arm on left). Possible timing problem with mute switches? Motor torque problem? Maybe the two problems are related somehow. Any possible answers are greatly appreciated. Thanks! Scott Sukopp ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Nov 5 04:40:29 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Nov 5 04:42:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers In-Reply-To: References: <20091104.163904.8347.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000001ca5e15$290443f0$7b0ccbd0$@net> Thanks Mike. Are yours also the orange cone with chrome dustcaps, like John's were? That's what is installed in mine currently. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mike Marsh Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:33 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers Hey Rich, I have a City 4, very similar to John's (Thanks Again for the manual John), and the Bottom woofers are 10" on mine. Hope that helps. Have Fun, Mike > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:15:31 -0800 > From: metrocinema@xtra.co.nz > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > I have a city2 similar configuration as the city4, the original bass speakers were orange cones with chrome dust caps and pressed steel baskets ( cheap and nasty ) I replaced mine with a pair of pioneer units out of a set of wrecked stereo cabinets.. sound great even pushed to the limit of the amplifier.. they are either 8" or "10Cheers John > > --- On Thu, 5/11/09, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 10:39 AM > > > > Rich: > > Most NSM jukes use a 3 way speaker scheme, where the bass-reproducing speakers are fed a full range audio signal from the amp. Up at the top there are usually 4" or 5" diameter mid range speakers and 3" diameter dome or cone tweeters. The mid and high freq speakers' signals are routed through high-pass capacitors in the speaker line. The capacitor's function is to block low frequencies from reaching those speakers. > > To answer the woofer question, the speakers have high-resonance cones (usually with a stiff, folded paper surround) that will let these speakers reproduce frequencies out to 2,000 -3,000 Hz where the response naturally falls off. The definition of a subwoofer is a spkr that generally reproduces the 30 Hz to 250Hz range. > > I don't know whether your City 4 uses 10" or 12" speakers, but the reconing guy you spoke to is offering good advice. The speakers are fairly low cost drivers that will cost more to recone than to just buy suitable replacements. I have a service manual for an NSM ES160 Prestige II where the bottom speakers are 10"units. > > Contact me, and I'll help you select suitable replacements. > > P.S. What makes you think that the woofers are defective? > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Instant Debt Consolidation Quote > Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=HbdCIkIOMIp_KrwRSpbzdwAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAF1fkz8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.49/2480 - Release Date: 11/04/09 07:37:00 From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Nov 5 04:40:50 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Nov 5 04:42:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers In-Reply-To: <20091105.032028.19013.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091105.032028.19013.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000101ca5e15$354578f0$9fd06ad0$@net> Thanks very much Jim. I will take a look at them. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:20 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers Rich: If you need to buy new 10" full range drivers, these would be a good fit acoustically for your NSM juke. Both of these are round frame speakers. A lot of Euro-made equipment tend to use square frame spkrs where the bolt hole pattern is slighly different. Check measurements before buying Both of these speakers are in the $40-50 price range. >From Parts Express www. partsexpress.com 2 speaker choices Eminence Alpha 10-A Parts Express SKU # 290-403 Goldwood GW1058 Parts Express SKU # 290-380 JIm A. ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=odnxYmvFL5xwGmx6YJq--gAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAF1fkz8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.49/2480 - Release Date: 11/04/09 07:37:00 From dpenoff at mac.com Thu Nov 5 07:12:28 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Thu Nov 5 07:14:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Tone Arm Landing In-Reply-To: <23874502738002676971870130924866325663-Webmail@me.com> References: <23874502738002676971870130924866325663-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <26154746827374884947762748426914794937-Webmail@me.com> John, I've got the manual and done the adjustment as described, however, I don't recall anything about a tone arm hex machine bolt adjustment. I don't have the manual in front of me, but if I recall correctly, the jaws more or less "trap" the pin on the tone arm lever, which determine where it lands. The point at which the tone arm lands and the lever from the linkage "opens" to allow the tone arm to move freely is when the tone arm "jumps". It's as if there is some sort of pressure on the tone arm that is released as soon as the lever from the mechanism releases the arm, and it jumps forward once it's released from the jaws. I'm thinking there is another adjustment that needs to be done that is causing this pressure to be exerted on the tone arm. Does that make things any clearer? Thanks, Dan On Thursday, November 05, 2009, at 01:12AM, "John Robertson" wrote:> >Hi Dan, > >You are indeed missing something. > >The adjustment for the tone arm is fairly straight forward, however you >must follow the directions exactly. When the tone arm bounces that >usually means the linkage isn't fully settled. > >I do not quite recall the exact details - more a visual guy - but I do >recall that the tone arm swing lock down hex head machine screw is not >tightened until the tone arm is settled and dropping onto the record. >This is controlled by the scan power switch. The side hex machine bolt >sets the drop position, the tone arm hex machine bolt sets the play. >There should be no play at the point where the two jaws of the tone arm >moving assembly open. > >If this is not clear enough I'll review the manual and rewrite it >tomorrow... > >John :-#)# > >-- >John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 >Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com >"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From mmarsh16 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 5 07:48:20 2009 From: mmarsh16 at hotmail.com (Mike Marsh) Date: Thu Nov 5 07:50:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers In-Reply-To: <000001ca5e15$290443f0$7b0ccbd0$@net> References: <20091104.163904.8347.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Yes they are, and it's cool you're asking about speakers, since one of mine is ripped as well giving it that fuzzy bass, which sounds great on "I Love Rock N Roll" or "You Really Got Me", but not so good on "Hotel California." So thanks for the replacement speaker suggestions guys. > From: 19k20@comcast.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:40:29 -0600 > > Thanks Mike. Are yours also the orange cone with chrome dustcaps, like > John's were? That's what is installed in mine currently. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mike Marsh > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:33 AM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers > > > Hey Rich, > > I have a City 4, very similar to John's (Thanks Again for the manual > John), and the Bottom woofers are 10" on mine. Hope that helps. > > Have Fun, > > Mike > > > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:15:31 -0800 > > From: metrocinema@xtra.co.nz > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > I have a city2 similar configuration as the city4, the original bass > speakers were orange cones with chrome dust caps and pressed steel baskets ( > cheap and nasty ) I replaced mine with a pair of pioneer units out of a set > of wrecked stereo cabinets.. sound great even pushed to the limit of the > amplifier.. they are either 8" or "10Cheers John > > > > --- On Thu, 5/11/09, James Alexander wrote: > > > > From: James Alexander > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV woofers > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 10:39 AM > > > > > > > > Rich: > > > > Most NSM jukes use a 3 way speaker scheme, where the bass-reproducing > speakers are fed a full range audio signal from the amp. Up at the top there > are usually 4" or 5" diameter mid range speakers and 3" diameter dome or > cone tweeters. The mid and high freq speakers' signals are routed through > high-pass capacitors in the speaker line. The capacitor's function is to > block low frequencies from reaching those speakers. > > > > To answer the woofer question, the speakers have high-resonance cones > (usually with a stiff, folded paper surround) that will let these speakers > reproduce frequencies out to 2,000 -3,000 Hz where the response naturally > falls off. The definition of a subwoofer is a spkr that generally > reproduces the 30 Hz to 250Hz range. > > > > I don't know whether your City 4 uses 10" or 12" speakers, but the > reconing guy you spoke to is offering good advice. The speakers are fairly > low cost drivers that will cost more to recone than to just buy suitable > replacements. I have a service manual for an NSM ES160 Prestige II where > the bottom speakers are 10"units. > > > > Contact me, and I'll help you select suitable replacements. > > > > P.S. What makes you think that the woofers are defective? > > > > Jim Alexander > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Instant Debt Consolidation Quote > > Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. 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The "screeching" may be part of the problem? Check ALL grounds in the audio circuit. Make sure they are "independent" of the mech cable. Make sure the trip switch ground is NOT common to the audio ground. BTW--"glowing" tubes only indicate that the "heater" circuit of the tube is functioning--"nuting elze" !! Ron Rich? --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Scott Sukopp wrote: From: Scott Sukopp Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 4:32 AM Ron, Thanks for the response. I do not have a tube tester, so I cannot confirm that they are all working at top performance. The tubes glow normally, and the box functioned perfectly for a few days, so I assumed they are OK. And yes, I plan on getting a tester in the near future. The "screech" is coming through the speakers. That is why I thought of the mute switch out of timing, in combination with a motor torque issue. Just a thought. The schematic for the MRA5-L6 is vague on numbering of the speakers, but I would say it is #LS4. They are wired in pairs, in series. The speakers are wired according the the schematic. I can scan the schematic to a PDF and send it to if you wish. BTW - all 4 of the other 8 ohm side speakers sound fine, with no distortion. --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 11:02 PM Scott, I don't understand a few things--- 1. How can the "tubes seem to be fine", if unchecked ? 2. Where is the "screech" coming from--the mechanism or speakers ? 3. Since I don't have a cabinet to look at--what is the speaker number that you are having a problem with--are they all wired correctly ? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Scott Sukopp wrote: From: Scott Sukopp Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:40 PM I have an Seeburg HF100R with a couple of odd problems I want to run past everyone. First off, the amp is totally re-capped with good quality parts, but I did not replace any resistors. Tubes seem to be fine, but have not been checked. Mech is cleaned and lubed to specs. Motor coupling and 'donuts' are original, and most likely need replacing. Slight hum and vibration during scan is present. Problem #1: blowing 8 ohm side speaker... The very first side speaker off of the amp (from behind - left side) has blown twice. After "blowing", they sound very fuzzy and scratchy, so I assume they are shot. After the first one went, I pulled one out of my parts box thinking that it may be normal for a 60 year old speaker to fail, but after a day or two of little use, to have the replacement blow, something must be wrong. Could it be one of the chokes are bad, or possibly a bad resistor somewhere? It sounded great for a short time. The speaker switch is set to 25 watts as the manual states, with no external speakers. Bass and treble are both set at '3'. My fear is that the problem will spread to ALL of them, eventually blowing them in order, so I need to find a solution ASAP. Problem #2: loud screech on record clamping... This one is really strange, but after reading some other posts, I thought of the drive motor. Right at the point of the record clamping and the pickup arm is released, there is a loud SCREECH (sounds like a needle moving across a record). At first I thought it was the pickup arm landing, then jumping towards the center of the record a few grooves. This is not the case. I tested this theory by holding the arm from touching the record at the point of clamping and playing... no change - still screeches. Also, it only does it on side 'A' (mech scan right, pickup arm on left). Possible timing problem with mute switches? Motor torque problem? Maybe the two problems are related somehow. Any possible answers are greatly appreciated. Thanks! Scott Sukopp ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dpenoff at mac.com Thu Nov 5 09:08:42 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Thu Nov 5 09:10:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lubrication for Rowe CD100I CD Player Message-ID: <135260481725537066672354600630785444682-Webmail@me.com> I know the CD drive probably is in need of a rebuild, but until I can budget the funds to send it off to Bruce I was wondering if anyone knows how to lubricate these drives. Mine will, on occasion, not spin up when a CD is loaded. If I spin it manually, all is well and off it goes for the rest of the day without trouble. Based on what I have been told it sounds like it needs to be lubricated, but I am not familiar with the procedure. If anyone on the list knows how to do this I would look forward to finding out how it is done.... Thanks, Dan From chisler at jps.net Tue Nov 3 14:48:04 2009 From: chisler at jps.net (Daniel Chisler) Date: Thu Nov 5 09:56:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Turn table flocking up date Message-ID: <4AF0B324.9050608@jps.net> Just got more info on the flocking from Oliver Stamman in Germany . turns out there is some sort of electro static machine to do the job correctly ? When done rite it looks like the hair on weiner dog hair all going the same way ...Dan out . From ron.vandenheuvel at planet.nl Thu Nov 5 09:25:07 2009 From: ron.vandenheuvel at planet.nl (ron van den heuvel) Date: Thu Nov 5 09:56:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Carrier rings Wurlitzer 2100 Message-ID: ik stuur wel ff een paar foto's gr ron From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 5 10:25:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 5 10:27:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lubrication for Rowe CD100I CD Player In-Reply-To: <135260481725537066672354600630785444682-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <899666.18208.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dan, What model is it---Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Dan Penoff wrote: From: Dan Penoff Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lubrication for Rowe CD100I CD Player To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 9:08 AM I know the CD drive probably is in need of a rebuild, but until I can budget the funds to send it off to Bruce I was wondering if anyone knows how to lubricate these drives. Mine will, on occasion, not spin up when a CD is loaded.? If I spin it manually, all is well and off it goes for the rest of the day without trouble.? Based on what I have been told it sounds like it needs to be lubricated, but I am not familiar with the procedure. If anyone on the list knows how to do this I would look forward to finding out how it is done.... Thanks, Dan _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dpenoff at mac.com Thu Nov 5 11:10:37 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Thu Nov 5 11:12:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lubrication for Rowe CD100I CD Player In-Reply-To: <899666.18208.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <899666.18208.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2DF4E5A9-506D-4462-BD0E-E40062B6D22D@mac.com> Sorry about that - it's either a Pro or a Pro-2, I'm not sure which. Is there something I can look at in the way of a sticker or tag that will tell me? Thanks, Dan On Nov 5, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Dan, > What model is it---Ron Rich > > > --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Dan Penoff wrote: > > From: Dan Penoff > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lubrication for Rowe CD100I CD Player > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 9:08 AM > > I know the CD drive probably is in need of a rebuild, but until I > can budget the funds to send it off to Bruce I was wondering if > anyone knows how to lubricate these drives. > > Mine will, on occasion, not spin up when a CD is loaded. If I spin > it manually, all is well and off it goes for the rest of the day > without trouble. Based on what I have been told it sounds like it > needs to be lubricated, but I am not familiar with the procedure. > > If anyone on the list knows how to do this I would look forward to > finding out how it is done.... > > Thanks, > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From smlynch at cableone.net Thu Nov 5 12:22:25 2009 From: smlynch at cableone.net (Steve Lynch) Date: Thu Nov 5 12:24:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Weak Volume--Seeburg V Message-ID: <1CABCC14F0314D6CA96840EF84CAA468@DellD7VLX721> Just had an amp & receiver rebuilt for my Seeburg V. Supposedly had all capacitors changed plus any resistors out of compliance. No known tube problems as they all checked out as very good. Still have weak volume when playing all records and have tried 3 known good cartridges all with the same weak sound. Possibly culprits???? Suggestions???? Steve in Idaho From steve.lane at dishmail.net Thu Nov 5 12:43:06 2009 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Thu Nov 5 12:44:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record magaz ine assembly In-Reply-To: <20091105.013215.18653.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091105.013215.18653.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <61088cf90911051243q49c3701cyfdf5589aa94f0283@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:32 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Steve: > > A few questions and tests you can run on your Wurlamatic record changer to > determine the cause of the problem. Before you begin making adjustments, I > asume you have a copy of the W3500 service manual. I do have a 3500 > service manual. > > If you write in a selection, have you looked below and verified that the > hammer solenoids are releasing a selecto r pin? I looked below and the > only solenoids that I could find were the two opposing soenoids on the end > of the selection accumulator arm. My service manual calls these bobbin and > wire assemblies. These soenoids do NOT move. > > The fault is that the record carrier will not begin to run when the service > switch "scan-stop-run" is in the run position and a pin is released? I > have not been able to get the record carrier to move under any > circumstances. > But if you flip the switch to the scan position the changer starts? No, > not even in Scan mode. If you then flip the switch back to the run mode > does the unit stop and play all the selected pins? No, it never has > turned. The record basket should make 2 revolutions, picking up all > selections, then stop at the A1 "home" position. > > At the rear of the record basket (at the 1 o'clock position) there is an > override switch housing. This switch starts/stops the mechanism. Remove the > top cover's two screws. As you write in a selection, the solenoid should > stroke and open the gear wheel,closing the switch, which will start the > mechanism. I checked this last night and found the solenoid stuck in the > energized position. It seemed to have a little residual magnet power even > though the the solenoid was off. It is still sticking occasionally but I do > not think this is the main problem because the unit still does not run with > the solenoid in either position. Look here for a mechanical fault. > > By using the scan switch, does the solenoid stroke operate the overide > switch?. Yes it does. The front panel switches also activate the override > switch but the record carrier does not move. The scan mode provides an > overriding switch closure to the solenoid. Using the keyboard sends a > closure impulse to the solenoid via the electronics in the control chassis. > Here there could be a failed capacitor, relay, resistor etc. that will need > to be traced and serviced. > > I can guide you to more answers once you definitely determine the above > events. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Instant Debt Consolidation Quote > Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-t_BJOImmsMqjrZioK2evwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAF1fkz8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 5 12:56:41 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 5 12:58:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lubrication for Rowe CD100I CD Player In-Reply-To: <2DF4E5A9-506D-4462-BD0E-E40062B6D22D@mac.com> Message-ID: <945024.50631.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dan, Pro or Pro-2, makes no diff--The "2" has a white plug on the side of the PCB-- Either way, I have never found "lubrication" to make a difference on the Pro's. Phillips used to sell a VERY expensive grease for the lazor "tracks" for the CDM-12 models, but I could never see any difference in performance-"lubed" (per their spec) or not. Did you clean the lens --as per the Service Manual (ONLY!) ? Are the CD's clean ? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Dan Penoff wrote: From: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lubrication for Rowe CD100I CD Player To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 11:10 AM Sorry about that - it's either a Pro or a Pro-2, I'm not sure which.? Is there something I can look at in the way of a sticker or tag that will tell me? Thanks, Dan On Nov 5, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Dan, > What model is it---Ron Rich > > > --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Dan Penoff wrote: > > From: Dan Penoff > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lubrication for Rowe CD100I CD Player > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 9:08 AM > > I know the CD drive probably is in need of a rebuild, but until I can budget the funds to send it off to Bruce I was wondering if anyone knows how to lubricate these drives. > > Mine will, on occasion, not spin up when a CD is loaded.? If I spin it manually, all is well and off it goes for the rest of the day without trouble.? Based on what I have been told it sounds like it needs to be lubricated, but I am not familiar with the procedure. > > If anyone on the list knows how to do this I would look forward to finding out how it is done.... > > Thanks, > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dpenoff at mac.com Thu Nov 5 13:08:52 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Thu Nov 5 13:11:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lubrication for Rowe CD100I CD Player In-Reply-To: <945024.50631.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <945024.50631.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <102259734827483516657036848385243260927-Webmail@me.com> Thanks for that information, Ron. I'll look at it tonight to see which model it is... I'm not concerned about the laser tracks, as it seems to be tracking properly - it just doesn't want to spin up when the CD is placed on the drive, or so it seems. When it does spin up, it's happy after that for some time. I'm not where the lube on the tracks would affect the spindle, unless the laser has to be positioned in a certain place before the logic lets the spindle spin up. And yes, I have cleaned the lens per the service manual, so no problems there. Dan On Thursday, November 05, 2009, at 03:56PM, "Ron Rich" wrote: >Dan, >Pro or Pro-2, makes no diff--The "2" has a white plug on the side of the PCB-- >Either way, I have never found "lubrication" to make a difference on the Pro's. Phillips used to sell a VERY expensive grease for the lazor "tracks" for the CDM-12 models, but I could never see any difference in performance-"lubed" (per their spec) or not. >Did you clean the lens --as per the Service Manual (ONLY!) ? Are the CD's clean ? >Ron Rich From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 5 13:14:23 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 5 13:16:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Weak Volume--Seeburg V In-Reply-To: <1CABCC14F0314D6CA96840EF84CAA468@DellD7VLX721> Message-ID: <3234.61175.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Steve, Is the AVC being turned on ? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Steve Lynch wrote: From: Steve Lynch Subject: [Jukebox-list] Weak Volume--Seeburg V To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 12:22 PM Just had an amp & receiver rebuilt for my Seeburg V.???Supposedly had all capacitors changed plus any resistors out of compliance.? No known tube problems as they all checked out as very good.? Still have weak volume when playing all records and have tried 3 known good cartridges all with the same weak sound. Possibly culprits????? Suggestions???? Steve in Idaho _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 5 13:25:32 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 5 13:27:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lubrication for Rowe CD100I CD Player In-Reply-To: <102259734827483516657036848385243260927-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <65249.7935.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dan, They made no provisions to oil? that motor. I have found, however, that the problem you are having is caused by the "eye", or "track motor", rather than theTT motor, about 95% of the time. Ron Rich? --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Dan Penoff wrote: From: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lubrication for Rowe CD100I CD Player To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 1:08 PM Thanks for that information, Ron.? I'll look at it tonight to see which model it is... I'm not concerned about the laser tracks, as it seems to be tracking properly - it just doesn't want to spin up when the CD is placed on the drive, or so it seems.? When it does spin up, it's happy after that for some time.? I'm not where the lube on the tracks would affect the spindle, unless the laser has to be positioned in a certain place before the logic lets the spindle spin up. And yes, I have cleaned the lens per the service manual, so no problems there. Dan On Thursday, November 05, 2009, at 03:56PM, "Ron Rich" wrote: >Dan, >Pro or Pro-2, makes no diff--The "2" has a white plug on the side of the PCB-- >Either way, I have never found "lubrication" to make a difference on the Pro's. Phillips used to sell a VERY expensive grease for the lazor "tracks" for the CDM-12 models, but I could never see any difference in performance-"lubed" (per their spec) or not. >Did you clean the lens --as per the Service Manual (ONLY!) ? Are the CD's clean ? >Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Thu Nov 5 13:45:05 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Thu Nov 5 13:46:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Turn table flocking up date References: <4AF0B324.9050608@jps.net> Message-ID: <9E759ED1205245B0B6923F160A9D649C@JUKEBUS> I have had some flocking done by Oliver - it looks very good and I can not imagine getting the same effect by trying to stick the stuff on with paint! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Chisler" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Turn table flocking up date Just got more info on the flocking from Oliver Stamman in Germany . turns out there is some sort of electro static machine to do the job correctly ? When done rite it looks like the hair on weiner dog hair all going the same way ...Dan out . _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.49/2480 - Release Date: 11/04/09 07:37:00 From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Thu Nov 5 15:42:29 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Thu Nov 5 15:44:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Turn table flocking up date References: <4AF0B324.9050608@jps.net> <9E759ED1205245B0B6923F160A9D649C@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <004201ca5e71$a3a97e70$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Don't knock it until you've tried it. Like someone else already mentioned, I use paint and a flour sifter. The result is very good, although you have to put on several coats to get it thick enough. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juke of Shrewsbury" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Turn table flocking up date >I have had some flocking done by Oliver - it looks very good and I can not > imagine getting the same effect by trying to stick the stuff on with > paint! > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Chisler" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:48 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Turn table flocking up date > > > Just got more info on the flocking from Oliver Stamman in Germany . > turns out there is some sort of electro static machine to do the job > correctly ? When done rite it looks like the hair on weiner dog hair > all going the same way ...Dan out . > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.49/2480 - Release Date: 11/04/09 > 07:37:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From steve.lane at dishmail.net Thu Nov 5 15:49:17 2009 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Thu Nov 5 15:50:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record magaz ine assembly In-Reply-To: <61088cf90911051243q49c3701cyfdf5589aa94f0283@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091105.013215.18653.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <61088cf90911051243q49c3701cyfdf5589aa94f0283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <61088cf90911051549o66ecd46ayeb4deb2dd30b0596@mail.gmail.com> Jim, I tried to answer your questions earlier but the email came out wrong. I am resending the answers again, They are in the order that you asked them. Thanks for all of your help! I do have a 3500 service manual. I looked below and the only solenoids that I could find were the two opposing solenoids on the end of the selection accumulator arm. My service manual calls these bobbin and wire assemblies. These solenoids do NOT move. I have not been able to get the record carrier to move under any circumstances. No, not even in Scan mode No, it never has turned. I checked this last night and found the solenoid stuck in the energized position. It seemed to have a little residual magnet power even though the the solenoid was off. It is still sticking occasionally but I do not think this is the main problem because the unit still does not run with the solenoid in either position Yes it does. The front panel switches also activate the override switch but the record carrier does not move On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:43 PM, STEVE LANE wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:32 PM, James Alexander < > jalexandercc@netzero.net> wrote: > >> >> >> Steve: >> >> A few questions and tests you can run on your Wurlamatic record changer to >> determine the cause of the problem. Before you begin making adjustments, I >> asume you have a copy of the W3500 service manual. I do have a 3500 >> service manual. >> >> If you write in a selection, have you looked below and verified that the >> hammer solenoids are releasing a selecto r pin? I looked below and the >> only solenoids that I could find were the two opposing soenoids on the end >> of the selection accumulator arm. My service manual calls these bobbin and >> wire assemblies. These soenoids do NOT move. >> >> The fault is that the record carrier will not begin to run when the >> service switch "scan-stop-run" is in the run position and a pin is released? >> I have not been able to get the record carrier to move under any >> circumstances. >> But if you flip the switch to the scan position the changer starts? No, >> not even in Scan mode. If you then flip the switch back to the run mode >> does the unit stop and play all the selected pins? No, it never has >> turned. The record basket should make 2 revolutions, picking up all >> selections, then stop at the A1 "home" position. >> >> At the rear of the record basket (at the 1 o'clock position) there is an >> override switch housing. This switch starts/stops the mechanism. Remove the >> top cover's two screws. As you write in a selection, the solenoid should >> stroke and open the gear wheel,closing the switch, which will start the >> mechanism. I checked this last night and found the solenoid stuck in the >> energized position. It seemed to have a little residual magnet power even >> though the the solenoid was off. It is still sticking occasionally but I do >> not think this is the main problem because the unit still does not run with >> the solenoid in either position. Look here for a mechanical fault. >> >> By using the scan switch, does the solenoid stroke operate the overide >> switch?. Yes it does. The front panel switches also activate the >> override switch but the record carrier does not move. The scan mode >> provides an overriding switch closure to the solenoid. Using the keyboard >> sends a closure impulse to the solenoid via the electronics in the control >> chassis. Here there could be a failed capacitor, relay, resistor etc. that >> will need to be traced and serviced. >> >> >> I can guide you to more answers once you definitely determine the above >> events. >> >> Jim Alexander >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Instant Debt Consolidation Quote >> Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. >> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-t_BJOImmsMqjrZioK2evwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAF1fkz8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 5 15:51:31 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Thu Nov 5 15:53:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ROWE CD players Message-ID: <86066.11049.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The CD player will not spin the disc, if the player can not see the info on the disc. Cleaning the lens is half of the equation. The Cd's need to be cleaned too.? If the information side of the disc is not nice and shiny, clean and bright, it might not play. If you just look at the surface, it might appear clean enough, but the best was to tell its clean, is to clean it. If you are touching the disc while on the player, you need to review the grounding process. The lubrication of a pro player should only be done by a paid professional or someone who has 'tribol' grease, and the instructions from 'Philips' (which was included in some ROWE jukeboxes) You need to consult a ROWE service manual. If you are trying to play homemade discs, the player might not have newer software for that. John the Jukebox Man From joe400f at shaw.ca Thu Nov 5 16:28:13 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Thu Nov 5 16:30:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Weak Volume--Seeburg V References: <1CABCC14F0314D6CA96840EF84CAA468@DellD7VLX721> Message-ID: <002701ca5e78$06a2a7d0$48944e18@compaq> Steve, have you talked to the rebuilder about this problem? If they are reputable, they should help you. Do you have a turntable that you can you up to the amp? This would prove or disprove the amplifier rebuild. Hook up the turntable and make a selection. If you still have weak volume, then you will need to check from the cartridge (including needles) all the way back to the amp. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lynch" To: Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:22 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Weak Volume--Seeburg V Just had an amp & receiver rebuilt for my Seeburg V. Supposedly had all capacitors changed plus any resistors out of compliance. No known tube problems as they all checked out as very good. Still have weak volume when playing all records and have tried 3 known good cartridges all with the same weak sound. Possibly culprits???? Suggestions???? Steve in Idaho _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From carbide2chips at yahoo.com Thu Nov 5 19:38:42 2009 From: carbide2chips at yahoo.com (Scott Sukopp) Date: Thu Nov 5 19:40:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems In-Reply-To: <745972.78643.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98176.40041.qm@web110001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ron, FYI - bad 6L6 tube - took the screech away. I do need a couple 8" x 8 ohm speakers though if anyone has any to get rid of. Thanks again Ron for your help! Scott --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 10:12 AM Scott, I have the schematic--that's why I asked, as I can't tell exactly which one it is either--Judging from what yu said, and what the schemo shows--you just had two "old" speakers ? The "screeching" may be part of the problem? Check ALL grounds in the audio circuit. Make sure they are "independent" of the mech cable. Make sure the trip switch ground is NOT common to the audio ground. BTW--"glowing" tubes only indicate that the "heater" circuit of the tube is functioning--"nuting elze" !! Ron Rich? --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Scott Sukopp wrote: From: Scott Sukopp Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 4:32 AM Ron, Thanks for the response. I do not have a tube tester, so I cannot confirm that they are all working at top performance. The tubes glow normally, and the box functioned perfectly for a few days, so I assumed they are OK. And yes, I plan on getting a tester in the near future. The "screech" is coming through the speakers. That is why I thought of the mute switch out of timing, in combination with a motor torque issue. Just a thought. The schematic for the MRA5-L6 is vague on numbering of the speakers, but I would say it is #LS4. They are wired in pairs, in series. The speakers are wired according the the schematic. I can scan the schematic to a PDF and send it to if you wish. BTW - all 4 of the other 8 ohm side speakers sound fine, with no distortion. --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 11:02 PM Scott, I don't understand a few things--- 1. How can the "tubes seem to be fine", if unchecked ? 2. Where is the "screech" coming from--the mechanism or speakers ? 3. Since I don't have a cabinet to look at--what is the speaker number that you are having a problem with--are they all wired correctly ? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Scott Sukopp wrote: From: Scott Sukopp Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:40 PM I have an Seeburg HF100R with a couple of odd problems I want to run past everyone. First off, the amp is totally re-capped with good quality parts, but I did not replace any resistors. Tubes seem to be fine, but have not been checked. Mech is cleaned and lubed to specs. Motor coupling and 'donuts' are original, and most likely need replacing. Slight hum and vibration during scan is present. Problem #1: blowing 8 ohm side speaker... The very first side speaker off of the amp (from behind - left side) has blown twice. After "blowing", they sound very fuzzy and scratchy, so I assume they are shot. After the first one went, I pulled one out of my parts box thinking that it may be normal for a 60 year old speaker to fail, but after a day or two of little use, to have the replacement blow, something must be wrong. Could it be one of the chokes are bad, or possibly a bad resistor somewhere? It sounded great for a short time. The speaker switch is set to 25 watts as the manual states, with no external speakers. Bass and treble are both set at '3'. My fear is that the problem will spread to ALL of them, eventually blowing them in order, so I need to find a solution ASAP. Problem #2: loud screech on record clamping... This one is really strange, but after reading some other posts, I thought of the drive motor. Right at the point of the record clamping and the pickup arm is released, there is a loud SCREECH (sounds like a needle moving across a record). At first I thought it was the pickup arm landing, then jumping towards the center of the record a few grooves. This is not the case. I tested this theory by holding the arm from touching the record at the point of clamping and playing... no change - still screeches. Also, it only does it on side 'A' (mech scan right, pickup arm on left). Possible timing problem with mute switches? Motor torque problem? Maybe the two problems are related somehow. Any possible answers are greatly appreciated. Thanks! Scott Sukopp ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Thu Nov 5 19:46:26 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Thu Nov 5 19:48:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 148 Wireless Wallbox Info Needed Message-ID: <000601ca5e93$b993b8f0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I'm trying to get my trashcan wireless set-up working. I've gone through the receiver and voltages are close to the schematic. I can ground out the test point and the stepper will go through the motions and select the proper pin. I've gone through the wallbox and it appears to be working. However, there is zero action from the stepper. All tubes test "good" (but I know how that goes). I've tried adjusting the "sensitivity" on the receiver with no luck. If I turn the sensitivity all the way up, the stepper will activate on it's own. This leads me to believe the receiver is OK, and my problem lies with the wallbox. My service manual does not contain any wallbox info. How can I tell if the wallbox is sending the proper signal? The manual does explain aligning the receiver by using a diode meter to get a reading of "300", but 300 what?? My chances of finding this Seeburg test equipment are not very good - what can I use as a substitute? Thanks for any help you can offer. Jim From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Nov 5 21:33:53 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Nov 5 21:36:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record maga z ine assembly Message-ID: <20091106.003353.1993.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Steve: I got most of your answers, I think. Now here are few more minor tests you can make. To the left of the turntable on the changer deck is a toggle switch. It may be labelled as service switch off -on. This switch needs to be in the on position. Having it off shuts off power to the record changer robotics With the switch off you should still be able to write in a selection and release a selector pin. Focusing on the override switch assy again (nr rear of record chgr basket) Does the solenoid "unsticK' if you turn off the power? Have you tried operating the switch ratchet by hand to close the overrride switch contacts? With the scan-run switch in the run position this operation should start the record basket revolving. You said you can write in selections using the keyboard. What happens when you do? Punch in a selection and watch the crank arm w/ the solenoids (bobbins) over the pin bank. Does this crank arm rotate at all when the letter number buttons are locked down? It should rotate and stop over the selected pin. The solenoid (bobbin?) at the end of the crank arm should "hammer" open the chosen selector pin. Here are some advance answers: Operating the override switch manually should force the basket to begin rotation. If it does not, the problem rests in the control chassis, most likely. Does override solenoid fully release if power is turned off? If yes, problem is with circuitry failure in control chassis. If solenoid remains bound up, trouble is with the solenoid itself. (residual magnetism, mechanically sticky, etc.) Does the solenoid crank arm spin at all? If no, problem is likely the control chassis. Crank arm turns, but no solenoid action? problem is in control chassis Simple control chassis tests: 1. check all fuses--are any blown? 2. check circuit breakers and reset if tripped (note: certain model control chassis are equipped with breakers--others have only fuses) 3. Make sure that the plug-in "ice cube" relays are well-seated in their sockets. As a last test, with power off, interchange relays to other sockets and turn power back on. Please note there are both white and red relays. Keep white with white and red with red. After you've swapped relays, does this cause a different combination of malfunctions? If yes, you have 1 or more defective relays. If you have the same group of malfunctions, problem is in the control chassis electronics. Normally, when you have a malfuncton, there are typically one or two failure areas common to all the problems. You're describing system problems that affect several independent circuits in your juke. The only common element is a control electronics failure. This unit either needs to be repaired or rebuilt. As capacitors age in these units, they can cause a variety of switching symptoms. Good luck troubleshooting, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=v30Ar0VbeGp9bqOLFzeFQgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAALnFRz8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From hayz528 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 5 21:59:15 2009 From: hayz528 at hotmail.com (Michael Hay) Date: Thu Nov 5 22:00:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: USC-2 plays selection, then plays selection with 3rd digit #9 In-Reply-To: <981435.95308.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: The DCC is a DCC2 Code B, and the Grey box (DRD1), the only mention of date I see on it is a warranty expiration date of Sept 1st, 1976. On the back of the DRD is a stamp with the letter "B" and E.T 44 contained in a circle. Not sure about the pop meter, but by disconnecting the two leads to it, nothing changed. If this is a grey box issue, which it seems to be, I guess I am now in the market for one. EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:53:33 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: USC-2 plays selection, then plays selection with 3rd digit #9 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Michael, > Probably the DRD--however, gotta know which DCC is installed (and CODE letter), and which DRD date code is installed, and does it have the diode mod on the pop meter ? > Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 10/26/09, Michael Hay wrote: > > From: Michael Hay > Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: USC-2 plays selection, then plays selection with 3rd digit #9 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:07 AM > > > > Any ideas on what would trigger this secondary selection? > > Is the problem solely in the DES? > > I noticed this weekend after firing up the machine for the first time that day > I was able to play many selections consecutively without having this issue, > so its not a permanent issue, wierd. > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > Join me > > > > From: hayz528@hotmail.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: USC-2 plays selection, then plays selection with 3rd digit #9 > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:02:14 -0500 > > > > > Getting very close to fixing this thing 100%. Final problem is this: > > I make a selection, the carriage moves and picks that selection. > > If the selection is say 150, it will play 150, then it will play 159 > > This goes for any selection. If I play anything, it will always play the same sequence selection, but put a 9 on the end. > > 134 - 139, 121 - 129, 160 - 169 etc. > > Troubleshooting guides I have point towards a dirty DES, but thats been cleaned thoroughly. If I take the metal plate > off the front of the DES to expose the internal buttons, I can see when one selection is made, no other fingers > especially digit 9 is not making contact. > > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > Join me _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 5 22:52:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 5 22:53:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems In-Reply-To: <98176.40041.qm@web110001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <318220.85212.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, If a tube is "bad", all you need do is spank it---Thanks for the posting !? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Scott Sukopp wrote: From: Scott Sukopp Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 7:38 PM Ron, FYI - bad 6L6 tube - took the screech away. I do need a couple 8" x 8 ohm speakers though if anyone has any to get rid of. Thanks again Ron for your help! Scott --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 10:12 AM Scott, I have the schematic--that's why I asked, as I can't tell exactly which one it is either--Judging from what yu said, and what the schemo shows--you just had two "old" speakers ? The "screeching" may be part of the problem? Check ALL grounds in the audio circuit. Make sure they are "independent" of the mech cable. Make sure the trip switch ground is NOT common to the audio ground. BTW--"glowing" tubes only indicate that the "heater" circuit of the tube is functioning--"nuting elze" !! Ron Rich? --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Scott Sukopp wrote: From: Scott Sukopp Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 4:32 AM Ron, Thanks for the response. I do not have a tube tester, so I cannot confirm that they are all working at top performance. The tubes glow normally, and the box functioned perfectly for a few days, so I assumed they are OK. And yes, I plan on getting a tester in the near future. The "screech" is coming through the speakers. That is why I thought of the mute switch out of timing, in combination with a motor torque issue. Just a thought. The schematic for the MRA5-L6 is vague on numbering of the speakers, but I would say it is #LS4. They are wired in pairs, in series. The speakers are wired according the the schematic. I can scan the schematic to a PDF and send it to if you wish. BTW - all 4 of the other 8 ohm side speakers sound fine, with no distortion. --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 11:02 PM Scott, I don't understand a few things--- 1. How can the "tubes seem to be fine", if unchecked ? 2. Where is the "screech" coming from--the mechanism or speakers ? 3. Since I don't have a cabinet to look at--what is the speaker number that you are having a problem with--are they all wired correctly ? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Scott Sukopp wrote: From: Scott Sukopp Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R problems To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:40 PM I have an Seeburg HF100R with a couple of odd problems I want to run past everyone. First off, the amp is totally re-capped with good quality parts, but I did not replace any resistors. Tubes seem to be fine, but have not been checked. Mech is cleaned and lubed to specs. Motor coupling and 'donuts' are original, and most likely need replacing. Slight hum and vibration during scan is present. Problem #1: blowing 8 ohm side speaker... The very first side speaker off of the amp (from behind - left side) has blown twice. After "blowing", they sound very fuzzy and scratchy, so I assume they are shot. After the first one went, I pulled one out of my parts box thinking that it may be normal for a 60 year old speaker to fail, but after a day or two of little use, to have the replacement blow, something must be wrong. Could it be one of the chokes are bad, or possibly a bad resistor somewhere? It sounded great for a short time. The speaker switch is set to 25 watts as the manual states, with no external speakers. Bass and treble are both set at '3'. My fear is that the problem will spread to ALL of them, eventually blowing them in order, so I need to find a solution ASAP. Problem #2: loud screech on record clamping... This one is really strange, but after reading some other posts, I thought of the drive motor. Right at the point of the record clamping and the pickup arm is released, there is a loud SCREECH (sounds like a needle moving across a record). At first I thought it was the pickup arm landing, then jumping towards the center of the record a few grooves. This is not the case. I tested this theory by holding the arm from touching the record at the point of clamping and playing... no change - still screeches. Also, it only does it on side 'A' (mech scan right, pickup arm on left). Possible timing problem with mute switches? Motor torque problem? Maybe the two problems are related somehow. Any possible answers are greatly appreciated. Thanks! Scott Sukopp ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 5 22:56:21 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 5 22:57:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 148 Wireless Wallbox Info Needed In-Reply-To: <000601ca5e93$b993b8f0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <282936.77975.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, That stuff is WAY "before my time"--however, I think I do re-call reading in Always Jukin Magazine that there is a guy who till specializes in that stuff--might contact them-- Ron? Rich --- On Thu, 11/5/09, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 148 Wireless Wallbox Info Needed To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 7:46 PM I'm trying to get my trashcan wireless set-up working. I've gone through the receiver and voltages are close to the schematic. I can ground out the test point and the stepper will go through the motions and select the proper pin. I've gone through the wallbox and it appears to be working. However, there is zero action from the stepper. All tubes test "good" (but I know how that goes). I've tried adjusting the "sensitivity" on the receiver with no luck. If I turn the sensitivity all the way up, the stepper will activate on it's own. This leads me to believe the receiver is OK, and my problem lies with the wallbox. My service manual does not contain any wallbox info. How can I tell if the wallbox is sending the proper signal? The manual does explain aligning the receiver by using a diode meter to get a reading of "300", but 300 what?? My chances of finding this Seeburg test equipment are not very good - what can I use as a substitute? Thanks for any help you can offer. Jim _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 5 23:32:24 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 5 23:33:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: USC-2 plays selection, then plays selection with 3rd digit #9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <736051.67364.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Michael, You have the updated parts needed--so I guess that you have a DRD problem--contact me off list, if you wish--I repair them. Ron Rich?? ronnnrich@yahoo.com? --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Michael Hay wrote: From: Michael Hay Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: USC-2 plays selection, then plays selection with 3rd digit #9 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 9:59 PM The DCC is a DCC2 Code B, and the Grey box (DRD1), the only mention of date I see on it is a warranty expiration date of Sept 1st, 1976.? On the back of the DRD is a stamp with the letter "B" and E.T 44 contained in a circle.? Not sure about the pop meter, but by disconnecting the two leads to it, nothing changed. If this is a grey box issue, which it seems to be, I guess I am now in the market for one.??? EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:53:33 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: USC-2 plays selection,??? then plays selection with 3rd digit #9 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Michael, > Probably the DRD--however, gotta know which DCC is installed (and CODE letter), and which DRD date code is installed, and does it have the diode mod on the pop meter ? > Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 10/26/09, Michael Hay wrote: > > From: Michael Hay > Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: USC-2 plays selection, then plays selection with 3rd digit #9 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:07 AM > > > > Any ideas on what would trigger this secondary selection? >? > Is the problem solely in the DES?? >? > I noticed this weekend after firing up the machine for the first time that day > I was able to play many selections consecutively without having this issue, > so its not a permanent issue, wierd. > > > > > > >? EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > Join me >? > > > From: hayz528@hotmail.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: USC-2 plays selection, then plays selection with 3rd digit #9 > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:02:14 -0500 > > > > > Getting very close to fixing this thing 100%.? Final problem is this: > > I make a selection, the carriage moves and picks that selection. > > If the selection is say 150, it will play 150, then it will play 159 > > This goes for any selection.? If I play anything, it will always play the same sequence selection, but put a 9 on the end. > > 134 - 139, 121 - 129, 160 - 169 etc. > > Troubleshooting guides I have point towards a dirty DES, but thats been cleaned thoroughly.? If I take the metal plate > off the front of the DES to expose the internal buttons, I can see when one selection is made, no other fingers > especially digit 9 is not making contact. > > > > > > > >? EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > Join me? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > >? ? ??? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxpete at cogeco.ca Fri Nov 6 03:38:51 2009 From: jukeboxpete at cogeco.ca (Peter Brown) Date: Fri Nov 6 03:53:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Performer Grand II Input/Output Question Message-ID: I was reading through my manual yesterday and noticed for the first time that their are input and output RCA jacks on the main board in my NSM Performer Grand II jukebox. I never noticed them as that board is behind another one. The manual refers to the input jacks as "tape player" jacks. My question is could I hook a turntable up to that input? Would it play without having to make a selection etc. From what I have read when you have the optional microphone hooked up it is live any time the jukebox is turned on and will actually work over the music, or without it. I was wondering if the tape input might do the same thing? The output I am not really worried about but assume you can get the sound out to another system that way? Any advice appreciated. Peter From lavin at cheqnet.net Fri Nov 6 04:04:35 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Fri Nov 6 04:16:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox Message-ID: <6D5527ED5C634E0AA146B7E1B53B19A6@dennis1cb9fd78> HI- I just picked up a Pioneer CD juke ( CJ-V55) and dont have a key for the front lock. it is an "ACE" round barrel lock. Any idea where to get one of these, or will I have to drill it out ? Thanks-Dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Nov 6 06:40:29 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Nov 6 06:42:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 poor low frequency In-Reply-To: <004701ca5dbb$6f784160$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: <96032.64796.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Joey McDonald wrote: > The location of the AMI F or G would not make the > difference in bass or no bass. > Highs or no highs. Sure, there would be sound quality > and volume differences in ideal > location as compared to non ideal. No matter where > you locate it, it would not cause a concern like this. My G-200 spends most of its time on the concrete slab floor of my workshop, or the garage beside it when entertaining gueses in the yard. I keep the bass control at the minumum setting. Even on carpet, I don't think I've had it turned up to the maximum. But I like natural sound, not "disco inferno." :-) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Nov 6 07:23:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Nov 6 07:25:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox In-Reply-To: <6D5527ED5C634E0AA146B7E1B53B19A6@dennis1cb9fd78> Message-ID: <511628.1988.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> A GOOD locksmith ( or a "crook") can "pick-it", and make a key for it--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Dennis and Sue wrote: From: Dennis and Sue Subject: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 4:04 AM HI- I just picked up a Pioneer CD juke ( CJ-V55)? and dont have a key for the front lock. it is an "ACE" round barrel lock.? Any idea where to get one of these, or will I have to drill it out ? Thanks-Dennis.? (Jukeboxdenny) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 6 08:25:41 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 6 08:29:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Performer Grand II Input/Output Question Message-ID: <20091106.112541.21269.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Peter: In general,most recent model jukes give you input capability to connect a background music source and/or a paging microphone to the jukebox sound system. This is primarily intended to meet the needs of bars and restaurant applications. The background music (BGM) input normally is operational whenever the juke's electronic system is turned on. If someone makes a selection, the BGM input is normally muted while the selected CD tunes play. At completion the BGM source is switched back on. There is generally a basic "mixer" function (either digital or analog controls) that allow different volume settings for each input. The BGM input is usually a high impedance unbalanced "aux" level input. The sound source to the system should be the "line level" output of a CD player, BGM satellite music receiver, AM-FM tuner etc. You will not be able to plug in a component phono turntable with a mag. phono cartridge here without using an intermediate preamp. The paging mike input can normally be mixed with either music source (BGM or juke) to allow paging to override the music program. The "mixer" function usually will give you a ducking function. This determines how far in level you'd like to reduce the music program during a page. A few seconds after a page message is completed, the music will revert to it's normal level. On occasion I've seen these jukebox inputs serve for karaoke functions as well. It will require the use of a karoake machine tied into the juke inputs to accomplish this. I'm not familiar enough with an NSM Grand Performer to give you specifics on that machine. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Health Insurance Get fast, free health insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ZspXPSzFD_RejspLXZrGVgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAAu6TT4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABZhQAAAAA= From bobfav at cox.net Fri Nov 6 08:55:09 2009 From: bobfav at cox.net (Bob Favicchio) Date: Fri Nov 6 09:17:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pricing of the other Jukebox stuff Message-ID: <00c801ca5f01$e64f1970$b2ed4c50$@net> Hi Guys and Gals Since most people seem to defer to eBay, I thought I would ask here for better info. Other than eBay, is there a good web site to get the going rate for Jukebox parts and supplies and / or to post items for sale? I like eBay ok, but the fees add up, and that just makes it more expensive for the buyer as well. I have a lot of usable stuff, including great 78's. I notice that records often sell very low on eBay, guess it is just luck sometimes. Any advice how / where I might politely and correctly list some items would be great. I am in Cranston, RI, and like so many other people, am unemployed due to company going bankrupt. Thanks. Bob From dpenoff at mac.com Fri Nov 6 10:00:38 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Fri Nov 6 10:02:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pricing of the other Jukebox stuff In-Reply-To: <00c801ca5f01$e64f1970$b2ed4c50$@net> References: <00c801ca5f01$e64f1970$b2ed4c50$@net> Message-ID: <42142470757114496402014263320341142452-Webmail@me.com> Bob, Having been on eBay since it's inception, I can say without question that as a seller it has rapidly gone downhill, in my opinion. I haven't sold much of anything on it in the last year as a result. Where I have found a lot of success has been on Craigslist, both locally and nationally. There are tools around that will allow you to post and search CL in a given list of areas or geographic areas of your choosing. And on CL you don't seem to have the outrageously inflated prices that have become endemic on eBay, or so it seems. Good for sellers, not for buyers. Just my $0.02... Good luck, Dan On Friday, November 06, 2009, at 11:55AM, "Bob Favicchio" wrote: >Hi Guys and Gals > > > >Since most people seem to defer to eBay, I thought I would ask here for >better info. Other than eBay, is there a good web site to get the going >rate for Jukebox parts and supplies and / or to post items for sale? I like >eBay ok, but the fees add up, and that just makes it more expensive for the >buyer as well. I have a lot of usable stuff, including great 78's. I >notice that records often sell very low on eBay, guess it is just luck >sometimes. Any advice how / where I might politely and correctly list some >items would be great. I am in Cranston, RI, and like so many other people, >am unemployed due to company going bankrupt. Thanks. > > > >Bob > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From ccos at knology.net Fri Nov 6 10:38:34 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Columbus Coin-Op Shop) Date: Fri Nov 6 10:40:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pricing of the other Jukebox stuff In-Reply-To: <42142470757114496402014263320341142452-Webmail@me.com> References: <00c801ca5f01$e64f1970$b2ed4c50$@net> <42142470757114496402014263320341142452-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <001401ca5f10$588b4c80$09a1e580$@net> My Ebay fees are generally in the $600 to $700 a month range. They are pretty steep but I consider it in my advertising budget more than I consider it a source of sales. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 1:01 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pricing of the other Jukebox stuff Bob, Having been on eBay since it's inception, I can say without question that as a seller it has rapidly gone downhill, in my opinion. I haven't sold much of anything on it in the last year as a result. Where I have found a lot of success has been on Craigslist, both locally and nationally. There are tools around that will allow you to post and search CL in a given list of areas or geographic areas of your choosing. And on CL you don't seem to have the outrageously inflated prices that have become endemic on eBay, or so it seems. Good for sellers, not for buyers. Just my $0.02... Good luck, Dan On Friday, November 06, 2009, at 11:55AM, "Bob Favicchio" wrote: >Hi Guys and Gals > > > >Since most people seem to defer to eBay, I thought I would ask here for >better info. Other than eBay, is there a good web site to get the going >rate for Jukebox parts and supplies and / or to post items for sale? I like >eBay ok, but the fees add up, and that just makes it more expensive for the >buyer as well. I have a lot of usable stuff, including great 78's. I >notice that records often sell very low on eBay, guess it is just luck >sometimes. Any advice how / where I might politely and correctly list some >items would be great. I am in Cranston, RI, and like so many other people, >am unemployed due to company going bankrupt. Thanks. > > > >Bob > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 6 10:40:24 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 6 10:43:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pricing of the other Jukebox stuff Message-ID: <20091106.134024.27557.3@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> A lot of jukebox and record sales are made locally using Craigslist. Using this service you are only advertising to potential customers in your locale so that shipping is not an issue. Buyers and sellers usually get together. If you are selling jukebox parts, on Craigslist, you may not reach a wide enough audience to find a special-interest buyer. For this you may want to stick with E Bay. If you are selling a later model vinyl juke, a model not popular with collectors, you may want to consider parting it out and sell system components separatly on E Bay, shipping things UPS to buyers. This will probably net you more money than selling a working unpopular juke model for $150. If you have some rare colectible records to sell, go to www.recordfinder.com This is a market where record collectors buy-sell collectible, hard to find vinyl. Records usually sell for higher prices here than EBay. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ 2 Minute Consolidation Quote! Free online quote in 2 minutes. No credit check, no obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=IN_IKERE1udH12La5OaE6QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAOIvvD4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kAAAAAA= From steve.lane at dishmail.net Fri Nov 6 15:44:21 2009 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Fri Nov 6 15:45:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record maga z ine assembly In-Reply-To: <20091106.003353.1993.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091106.003353.1993.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <61088cf90911061544u6ce21c49ndec62eb88cd50bab@mail.gmail.com> OK, I got the magazine motor to turn. Hooray! Turns out the safety switch was not making up. If I hold it down, the mag turns twice and stops as it should according to the manual. It looks like whoever had this before me was working on it. The spring loaded plastic piece that holds the records on the bottom of the gripper is much newer than the rest of the plastic. Problem is now that it looks like either that plastic piece is not the right one or possibly it is not fitted properly. There are two steel tangs that come up from the bottom that look like they should latch over the steel pin that runs through the gripper arm. I am not sure if that is right or not. The manual's picture is not all that great. Right now, the pin that runs through the gripper arm and the plastic pin that looks like it should trip the switch are both on top of the two arms that look like they should hold the pin. Does anyone know how this should be assembled? Thanks From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 6 16:17:14 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 6 16:20:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record maga z ine assembly Message-ID: <20091106.191714.17450.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> There are lots of second hand parts available for the Wurlamatic record changers if you need to buy something. They are quite common so parts are usually not expensive. The Wurlamatic record changer was used with US built Wurlitzer jukes in the 1970's. Used from model 3400 through 3800, plus the 7500 and 1050 models. The German-built Wurlitzers used a similar looking mech but a number of details on it are different so I wouldn't look to a German unit for spare parts. You should have detailed photos of the gripper arm in your service manual. That should help you visually ID any incorrect parts. The usual places to go for salvage jukebox parts are Durfee Coin Op in MA. (web: www.jukeboxparts.com) and Bill Butterfield on the west coast. Not sure, but I think his web address is www.jukebox-parts.com. There are other places to go if neither of these has he oparts you're looking for. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Medical Billing Online Jump start your career with a Medical Billing & Coding Degree Online. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=HExGwg7danDvr2ovyyjKAgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAHoeLz4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSJGQAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Nov 6 16:27:15 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Nov 6 16:28:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pricing of the other Jukebox stuff In-Reply-To: <00c801ca5f01$e64f1970$b2ed4c50$@net> Message-ID: <498807.14725.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You might try www.phonoland.com ---? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Bob Favicchio wrote: From: Bob Favicchio Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pricing of the other Jukebox stuff To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:55 AM Hi Guys and Gals Since most people seem to defer to eBay, I thought I would ask here for better info.? Other than eBay, is there a good web site to get the going rate for Jukebox parts and supplies and / or to post items for sale?? I like eBay ok, but the fees add up, and that just makes it more expensive for the buyer as well.? I have a lot of usable stuff, including great 78's.? I notice that records often sell very low on eBay, guess it is just luck sometimes.? Any advice how / where I might politely and correctly list some items would be great.? I am in Cranston, RI, and like so many other people, am unemployed due to company going bankrupt.? Thanks. Bob _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Fri Nov 6 19:35:09 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Nov 6 19:36:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pricing of the other Jukebox stuff In-Reply-To: <00c801ca5f01$e64f1970$b2ed4c50$@net> References: <00c801ca5f01$e64f1970$b2ed4c50$@net> Message-ID: <4AF4EAED.1020602@west.net> Bob Favicchio wrote: > Since most people seem to defer to eBay, I thought I would ask here for > better info. Other than eBay, is there a good web site to get the going > rate for Jukebox parts and supplies and / or to post items for sale? I like > eBay ok, but the fees add up, and that just makes it more expensive for the > buyer as well. I have a lot of usable stuff, including great 78's. I > notice that records often sell very low on eBay, guess it is just luck > sometimes. Any advice how / where I might politely and correctly list some > items would be great. I am in Cranston, RI, and like so many other people, > am unemployed due to company going bankrupt. Thanks. If you're selling, EBay is likely your best option for juke parts. Yes it's annoying, their policies are restrictive, they seem somewhat evil and their fees are always creeping up. But in terms of bang for the buck you're not very likely to do much better elsewhere. Records are a different matter, and there are likely some specialty websites or physical venues such as shows that might yeild better prices. For complete machines, the Chicagoland show or perhaps an ad in Always Jukin would be useful. Another alternative, there are 600-plus of us here, what have you got? Maybe put up a personal web site on your ISP and post a link. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From doug at ithomeinspectors.co.uk Sat Nov 7 03:19:00 2009 From: doug at ithomeinspectors.co.uk (doug@ithomeinspectors.co.uk) Date: Sat Nov 7 03:43:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. Message-ID: <4AF557A4.60500@ithomeinspectors.co.uk> ebay 190347406284 Is this the most hideous thing ever seen? -- Doug Duncan IT Home Inspectors 12 Storey's Way Cambridge CB3 0DT 01223 691043 (T) 07766 201501 (M) From jeremy at dwave.net Sat Nov 7 04:43:55 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sat Nov 7 04:45:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. In-Reply-To: <4AF557A4.60500@ithomeinspectors.co.uk> References: <4AF557A4.60500@ithomeinspectors.co.uk> Message-ID: <20091107124117.M75735@dwave.net> It might go good with a pirate or nautical theme. Jeremy Agema On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:19:00 0000, doug@ithomeinspectors.co.uk wrote > ebay ? 190347406284 > > Is this the most hideous thing ever seen? > > -- > Doug Duncan > > IT Home Inspectors > > 12 Storey's Way > Cambridge > CB3 0DT > > 01223 691043 (T) > 07766 201501 (M) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Sat Nov 7 05:58:03 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Sat Nov 7 05:59:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. References: <4AF557A4.60500@ithomeinspectors.co.uk> <20091107124117.M75735@dwave.net> Message-ID: Looks like it would go with a southwestern or Texas theme or the 70's "barrel furniture" Reminds me of some of the custom things We did early on. We did a couple of machines that were old Victrola cosole model that we installed Seeburg mechs in with keyboard and walbox pages for tittle display. Was a pretty neat instalation. After we finished it for the customer and it was playing in our shop another customer came in and had to have one, So we had to find anothe rcabinet and built another. I will try to locate some pictures of it for all to see. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukeboxga.com 678-833-5749 Please respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Nov 7 06:56:34 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Nov 7 06:58:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox References: <511628.1988.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25FE7F81441B4998BD328E35BA604144@dennis1cb9fd78> Yeah, that is what I thought also ! Or my handy-dandy electric drill.. I dont see much info on this juke, glad I didnt spend much on it. I would like to get it open just to see what's in it. Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox >A GOOD locksmith ( or a "crook") can "pick-it", and make a key for it--Ron >Rich > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Dennis and Sue wrote: > > From: Dennis and Sue > Subject: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 4:04 AM > > HI- I just picked up a Pioneer CD juke ( CJ-V55) and dont have a key for > the front lock. > > it is an "ACE" round barrel lock. Any idea where to get one of these, or > will I have to drill it out ? > > Thanks-Dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.52/2484 - Release Date: 11/06/09 01:38:00 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Nov 7 07:31:49 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Nov 7 07:36:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. Message-ID: <20091107.103149.26654.2@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: It looks as if someone took a 60's era Seeburg hideaway juke and built this unique cabinet for it. Along the same lines, Wurlitzer packaged a version of one of their early 60's model juke mechanisms in a steel barrel (about the size of a 55 gallon oil drum) . It was intended to the be the master unit of a hideaway type juke installation on board a ship. Possibly, these were built for U.S. Navy. Not sure. Once in awhile you will see one of these units on E Bay. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Online Medical Insurance Get free online medical insurance quotes and save more money today. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=vHcXL_spJRuwIOsNew37yAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAADCkwj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABJQNQAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Nov 7 07:36:02 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Nov 7 07:39:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox Message-ID: <20091107.103602.26654.3@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Denny: There are usually numbers stamped on an Ace lock. Most authorized locksmiths can make a key from this code. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Medical Insurance Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=kMqfd4JgLjSepWcMPNwkywAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAADCkwj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABJQNAAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Nov 7 08:16:53 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Nov 7 08:18:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. In-Reply-To: <4AF557A4.60500@ithomeinspectors.co.uk> Message-ID: <146605.52183.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Once again--"In the eye of the beholder"---("Someone" must have liked it--at least once upon a time)? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 11/7/09, doug@ithomeinspectors.co.uk wrote: From: doug@ithomeinspectors.co.uk Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 3:19 AM ebay???190347406284 Is this the most hideous thing ever seen? -- Doug Duncan IT Home Inspectors 12 Storey's Way Cambridge CB3 0DT 01223 691043 (T) 07766 201501 (M) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Nov 7 08:24:59 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Nov 7 08:26:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox In-Reply-To: <20091107.103602.26654.3@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <151848.44073.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy's This is true, however, that type lock tends to be re-keyed often, in this biz, thus rendering the stamped number useless--? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 11/7/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 7:36 AM Denny: There are usually numbers stamped on an Ace lock.???Most authorized locksmiths can make a key from this code. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Medical Insurance Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=kMqfd4JgLjSepWcMPNwkywAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAADCkwj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABJQNAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Nov 7 10:36:42 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Nov 7 10:38:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox References: <151848.44073.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44F9E640139E478D9505D275743FC3B6@dennis1cb9fd78> HI- I had good luck drilling it out this morning. Couldnt wait to find a key.. I started with a 1/16th inch bit, and worked up to a 5/8's bit, being really carefull . Then after a lot of drilling, I was able to see all the small lock pins in a circle, amd took a small bit and cleaned out all the pin -tumbler holes and then took a small punch and hammer and just tapped in the center of the lock, (boy some of that lock was hard stuff) untill they all fell out. Then I used a small snap ring pliers to stick into 2 of the tumbler holes, and turned it and it poped open like nobody's buisness! I bought this as a non working juke, person who had it said that the cd players just cycled and wouldnt pick a cd. Turns out it has the same style cd player"s in it that my 1994 cadillac Fleetwood has, so I knew that you have to place the cd's in it with the label's facing down. I think that's all that was wrong with it. There is one bad woofer in it, seems dead. But other than that it actually sound really good! Now to find a remote control and probably should order a repair/owners manual for it also as I think I am going to keep it( wife really likes it). A very happy day, couldnt be better as it is also my Birthday today too. Nice present to myself, Ha Ha Ha !! Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox > Guy's > This is true, however, that type lock tends to be re-keyed often, in this > biz, thus rendering the stamped number useless-- Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 7:36 AM > > > Denny: > There are usually numbers stamped on an Ace lock. Most authorized > locksmiths can make a key from this code. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Instant Medical Insurance > Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=kMqfd4JgLjSepWcMPNwkywAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAADCkwj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABJQNAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.53/2486 - Release Date: 11/07/09 01:38:00 From pinball at telus.net Sat Nov 7 11:09:49 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Nov 7 11:11:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox In-Reply-To: <44F9E640139E478D9505D275743FC3B6@dennis1cb9fd78> References: <151848.44073.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <44F9E640139E478D9505D275743FC3B6@dennis1cb9fd78> Message-ID: <4AF5C5FD.6000202@telus.net> Dennis and Sue wrote: > HI- I had good luck drilling it out this morning. Couldnt wait to find > a key.. I started with a 1/16th inch bit, and worked up to a 5/8's > bit, being really carefull . > Then after a lot of drilling, I was able to see all the small lock > pins in a circle, amd took a small bit and cleaned out all the pin > -tumbler holes and then took a small punch and hammer and just tapped > in the center of the lock, (boy some of that lock was hard stuff) > untill they all fell out. Then I used a small snap ring pliers to > stick into 2 of the tumbler holes, and turned it and it poped open > like nobody's buisness! > > I bought this as a non working juke, person who had it said that the > cd players just cycled and wouldnt pick a cd. > > Turns out it has the same style cd player"s in it that my 1994 > cadillac Fleetwood has, so I knew that you have to place the cd's in > it with the label's facing down. I think that's all that was wrong > with it. > > There is one bad woofer in it, seems dead. But other than that it > actually sound really good! > > Now to find a remote control and probably should order a repair/owners > manual for it also as I think I am going to keep it( wife really likes > it). A very happy day, couldnt be better as it is also my Birthday > today too. Nice present to myself, Ha Ha Ha !! > > Dennis. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox > > >> Guy's >> This is true, however, that type lock tends to be re-keyed often, in >> this biz, thus rendering the stamped number useless-- Ron Rich >> >> --- On Sat, 11/7/09, James Alexander wrote: >> >> From: James Alexander >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 7:36 AM >> >> >> Denny: >> There are usually numbers stamped on an Ace lock. Most authorized >> locksmiths can make a key from this code. >> >> Jim Alexander We do have the original manuals (ARP1913 - CJ-V55, ARP2364 - CJ-V77/99, Operating Instructions - CJ-V55, Supplement Op. In. - CJ-V55, and theory) for these machines however they have a number of LARGE fold out pages for the schematics (about 2 feet square) and that is a bit of a nuisance to copy... If people want copies I can photograph the oversize pages and include them with the photocopies of the manuals. Depending on the interest I will figure out the cost to do this and divide it by the number of people that want copies. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From bobe at halted.com Sat Nov 7 12:29:51 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Sat Nov 7 12:48:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. Message-ID: <2.2.32.20091107202951.009977cc@hsces.com> At 03:31 PM 11/7/2009 GMT, you wrote: > > >Gentlemen: > >It looks as if someone took a 60's era Seeburg hideaway juke and built this unique cabinet for it. I'll bet they built it around a 1972 SX-100 Marauder or 1973 SL-100 Carnival. They are almost that shape to begin with! Plus, hideaways don't have a selection key assembly. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Nov 7 13:09:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Nov 7 13:11:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20091107202951.009977cc@hsces.com> Message-ID: <887150.72782.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> That's what the mech looks like--however, it appears that there is a tube unit of some sort in it also--- "Hidaways" also do not have the titleboard"-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Bob Ellingson wrote: From: Bob Ellingson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 12:29 PM At 03:31 PM 11/7/2009 GMT, you wrote: > > >Gentlemen: > >It looks as if someone took a 60's era Seeburg hideaway juke and built this unique cabinet for it.? I'll bet they built it around a 1972 SX-100 Marauder or 1973 SL-100 Carnival.? They are almost that shape to begin with!? Plus, hideaways don't have a selection key assembly. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson??? ??? ??? ??? ??? bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc.??? ??? ??? http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St.??? ??? ??? ??? ??? (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051? USA??? ??? ??? (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chisler at jps.net Fri Nov 6 10:16:38 2009 From: chisler at jps.net (Daniel Chisler) Date: Sat Nov 7 14:17:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1442 and 1446 Message-ID: <4AF46806.7020104@jps.net> This is a cosmetic question . Hi All new to jukebox collecting and have some un answered cosmetic questions . on both of my rockolas 1442 and 1446 the side of turn table plastics have a faint wheat design . I wondered what color the designs were origionally ? They have both long been cleaned away but you can clearely see a textured area where they were . Thought about carefully painting them back in perhaps with something that would not change the plastic in any way . Guessing probably gold but I just don't know what color was orig . Does any one klnow ? From jeremy at dwave.net Sat Nov 7 14:18:04 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sat Nov 7 14:19:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox In-Reply-To: <44F9E640139E478D9505D275743FC3B6@dennis1cb9fd78> References: <151848.44073.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <44F9E640139E478D9505D275743FC3B6@dennis1cb9fd78> Message-ID: <20091107221638.M7766@dwave.net> Way to go Dennis! Happy Birthday too. Jeremy Agema On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:36:42 -0600, Dennis and Sue wrote > HI- I had good luck drilling it out this morning. Couldnt wait to find a > key.. I started with a 1/16th inch bit, and worked up to a 5/8's bit, being > really carefull . > Then after a lot of drilling, I was able to see all the small lock pins in a > circle, amd took a small bit and cleaned out all the pin -tumbler holes and > then took a small punch and hammer and just tapped in the center of the > lock, (boy some of that lock was hard stuff) untill they all fell out. ? Then > I used a small snap ring pliers to stick into 2 of the tumbler holes, and > turned it and it poped open like nobody's buisness! > > I bought this as a non working juke, person who had it said that the cd > players just cycled and wouldnt pick a cd. > > Turns out it has the same style cd player"s in it that my 1994 cadillac > Fleetwood has, so I knew that you have to place the cd's in it with the > label's ?facing down. I think that's all that was wrong with it. > > There is one bad woofer in it, seems dead. But other than that it actually > sound really good! > > Now to find a remote control and probably should order a repair/owners > manual for it also as I think I am going to keep it( wife really likes it). > A very happy day, couldnt be better as it is also my Birthday today too. > Nice present to myself, ?Ha Ha Ha !! > > Dennis. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox > > > Guy's > > This is true, however, that type lock tends to be re-keyed often, in this > > biz, thus rendering the stamped number useless-- Ron Rich > > > > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, James Alexander wrote: > > > > From: James Alexander > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 7:36 AM > > > > > > Denny: > > There are usually numbers stamped on an Ace lock. Most authorized > > locksmiths can make a key from this code. > > > > Jim Alexander > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Instant Medical Insurance > > Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=kMqfd4JgLjSepWcMPNwkywAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAADCkwj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABJQNAAAAAA= > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.53/2486 - Release Date: 11/07/09 > 01:38:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Nov 7 15:10:58 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Nov 7 15:13:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. Message-ID: <20091107.181058.6132.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Yes you're right--but some of those items can be added later. I was looking at the Seeburg mech itself. This looks like it's from an LS-1 or LS-2 and turned around to face forward. Jim A. ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Gib5cM9y2jvroBPysksLLwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAC8J7D4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Nov 7 15:21:55 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Nov 7 15:25:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1442 and 1446 Message-ID: <20091107.182155.6132.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> If you are talking about the dress cap that bolts over the turntable area, these were a chrome finish with red accent lines painted on them. Some of the early model dress caps were made of metal. The later ones were plastic with chrome-like paint finish. The color often got baked out of them if the juke was located where direct sunlight shone into the dome. One of the later Rockola models (1454 perhaps) had a gold and blue dress cap. Maybe someone put the later dress cap on your machine. There are color pix of many old jukebox models at www.pinballrebel.com. Another place to look is on E Bay if someone is selling one of these. Maybe you can see a 1442 or 1446 there. Model 1438 was very similar, if that helps. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Medical Insurance Quotes Compare medical insurance companies and save money now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Bb7TslaiQsOWQ75pWGhImgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAADCkwj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABJQNgAAAAA= From pat2355 at aol.com Sat Nov 7 15:36:52 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sat Nov 7 15:38:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1442 and 1446 In-Reply-To: <20091107.182155.6132.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091107.182155.6132.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC2E1A519A73BD-4BF4-EB0F@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> My 1446 was in a dark basement most of its life and I believe the designs are just formed in. He means the red side pieces under the aluminum/plastic chrome looking turntable surround. Pat -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1442 and 1446 If you are talking about the dress cap that bolts over the turntable area, these were a chrome finish with red accent lines painted on them. Some of the early model dress caps were made of metal. The later ones were plastic with chrome-like paint finish. The color often got baked out of them if the juke was located where direct sunlight shone into the dome. One of the later Rockola models (1454 perhaps) had a gold and blue dress cap. Maybe someone put the later dress cap on your machine. There are color pix of many old jukebox models at www.pinballrebel.com. Another place to look is on E Bay if someone is selling one of these. Maybe you can see a 1442 or 1446 there. Model 1438 was very similar, if that helps. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Medical Insurance Quotes Compare medical insurance companies and save money now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Bb7TslaiQsOWQ75pWGhImgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAADCkwj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABJQNgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Nov 7 17:07:18 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Nov 7 17:08:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox References: <151848.44073.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><44F9E640139E478D9505D275743FC3B6@dennis1cb9fd78> <20091107221638.M7766@dwave.net> Message-ID: <8C8B52B423F44A178998FC713683B39C@dennis1cb9fd78> Thanks Jeremy !! I have been outside most of today getting stuff put away before winter get's here, and we had the juke playing in the shop with the doors open for all to hear. Sounds Good!! Dennis. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Agema" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox > Way to go Dennis! > > Happy Birthday too. > > Jeremy Agema > > On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:36:42 -0600, Dennis and Sue wrote >> HI- I had good luck drilling it out this morning. Couldnt wait to find a >> key.. I started with a 1/16th inch bit, and worked up to a 5/8's bit, >> being >> really carefull . >> Then after a lot of drilling, I was able to see all the small lock pins >> in a >> circle, amd took a small bit and cleaned out all the pin -tumbler holes >> and >> then took a small punch and hammer and just tapped in the center of the >> lock, (boy some of that lock was hard stuff) untill they all fell out. >> Then >> I used a small snap ring pliers to stick into 2 of the tumbler holes, and >> turned it and it poped open like nobody's buisness! >> >> I bought this as a non working juke, person who had it said that the cd >> players just cycled and wouldnt pick a cd. >> >> Turns out it has the same style cd player"s in it that my 1994 cadillac >> Fleetwood has, so I knew that you have to place the cd's in it with the >> label's facing down. I think that's all that was wrong with it. >> >> There is one bad woofer in it, seems dead. But other than that it >> actually >> sound really good! >> >> Now to find a remote control and probably should order a repair/owners >> manual for it also as I think I am going to keep it( wife really likes >> it). >> A very happy day, couldnt be better as it is also my Birthday today too. >> Nice present to myself, Ha Ha Ha !! >> >> Dennis. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron Rich" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox >> >> > Guy's >> > This is true, however, that type lock tends to be re-keyed often, in >> > this >> > biz, thus rendering the stamped number useless-- Ron Rich >> > >> > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, James Alexander wrote: >> > >> > From: James Alexander >> > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] key for Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox >> > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 7:36 AM >> > >> > >> > Denny: >> > There are usually numbers stamped on an Ace lock. Most authorized >> > locksmiths can make a key from this code. >> > >> > Jim Alexander >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > Instant Medical Insurance >> > Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=kMqfd4JgLjSepWcMPNwkywAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAADCkwj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABJQNAAAAAA= >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> > >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.53/2486 - Release Date: >> 11/07/09 >> 01:38:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.53/2486 - Release Date: 11/07/09 01:38:00 From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Sun Nov 8 07:31:33 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David G..) Date: Sun Nov 8 07:33:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Durfee Coin-op Wallbox keys note Message-ID: <4BA3B779A6E44B59B8BFD9F54CA7CBEE@DavidPC> Thought I would pass on a good experience. I had misplaced the keys for a Wurlitzer 5220 wallbox that I was going to start working on. I remembered leaving them in the coin return, but were nowhere to be found. I gave up looking and decided to do the drill the lock trick. Carried the wallbox to the bench and heard something rattle around inside. Yep it was the keys. I guess they fell into the unit sometime during handling. I tried for several days to try and get them to wiggle back out the way they went in. That wasn't happening and I couldn't lift my arms over my head for a week. Sooooo, I ordered a replacement key from Durfee Coin op. WCX-77 lock number. Got the key very quick. The new key worked perfect. Opened the unit and there sat the old keys. Moral of this story, message subject line should have read "Where not to store your wallbox keys" or "I'm a dumbass for putting the keys there in the first place". Maybe I should have just left them taped to the glass........ David G... From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Nov 8 08:16:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Nov 8 08:18:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. In-Reply-To: <20091107.181058.6132.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <614685.58424.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, It's not a 160 mech--note the "selection now playing" lamp bar on top--it's from one of the 100's of that time. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 11/7/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 3:10 PM ? Yes you're right--but some of those items can be added later.? I was looking at the Seeburg mech itself.???This looks like it's from an LS-1 or LS-2 and turned around to face forward.? Jim A. ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Gib5cM9y2jvroBPysksLLwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAC8J7D4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Nov 8 08:38:25 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Nov 8 08:40:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Durfee Coin-op Wallbox keys note In-Reply-To: <4BA3B779A6E44B59B8BFD9F54CA7CBEE@DavidPC> Message-ID: <759146.57185.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Yea it may have been a "dumb ass" move--but it could have been worse-er ! ,? had you taped them to the glass. IMHO--no, In My Humble Experience,? taping keys to glass is a BIG "no, no". I learnt the hard way, that keys put pressure on glass, especially if added pressure is put upon the key--then guess what happens--kaBOOM !!?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/8/09, David G.. wrote: From: David G.. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Durfee Coin-op Wallbox keys note To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 7:31 AM Thought I would pass on a good experience. I had misplaced the keys for a Wurlitzer 5220 wallbox that I was going to start working on. I remembered leaving them in the coin return, but were nowhere to be found. I gave up looking and decided to do the drill the lock trick. Carried the wallbox to the bench and heard something rattle around inside. Yep it was the keys. I guess they fell into the unit sometime during handling. I tried for several days to try and get them to wiggle back out the way they went in. That wasn't happening and I couldn't lift my arms over my head for a week. Sooooo, I ordered a replacement key from Durfee Coin op. WCX-77 lock number. Got the key very quick. The new key worked perfect. Opened the unit and there sat the old keys. Moral of this story, message subject line should have read "Where not to store your wallbox keys" or "I'm a dumbass for putting the keys there in the first place". Maybe I should have just left them taped to the glass........ David G... _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Sun Nov 8 09:38:46 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Nov 8 09:47:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1754 Stepper Message-ID: <5A16E811F5B243D496F50F13A6257B20@D41XWQ61> It has become apparent to me that many of these stepper models are wired alike to the 1754 and have the same components. The one noticeable difference is the design of the chassis to fit different model jukeboxes; the fuse on one side, the mounting flange on the other and so on. One huge problem with these old steppers is that the white plastic gears, over time, cracks and will no longer turn freely. Sanding down the plastic shaft, then gluing the crack seems to allow it to turn again, but doesn't completely solve the problem. The teeth on the gears also wears over time, not always resulting in the correct number of steps, creating wrong selections. Understanding that anyone using these old steppers are, or will, have this problem, where are the replacement gears? Of all the repro gears offered by Victory Glass, this is not one of them. I'm unintentionally collecting steppers, trying to locate one that works. Who's to say that the overpriced steppers on Ebay are any better? Spending another $200 for yet another stepper is unfounded. If anyone has a lead for repro, or NOS gears, please let me know. I hate to think this is a dead end road, but it sure is looking that way. Glen From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 8 09:53:02 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 8 09:57:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. Message-ID: <20091108.125302.22671.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Ron: The reason that led me to believe this is a late 60's early 70's mech is: Mech has the unfinished steel look of the "hidden mech" later model players. Earlier Seeburgs, even if part of a hideaway setup had more complete finish details. I saw the selection playing bar but it looks to me like the flat looking bar with the printed ckt board scanned by contact fingers on the mech. This operated a bank of front panel mounted incandescent lamp bulbs on LS-1,LS-2 and later models. In the complete jukes,the mech rack is turned around in these models with the Seeburg carriage facing rearward. The mech rack looks wider than the 100-play mech. That's why I think it's a 160 play model in the barrel. Just my educated guess. No biggie. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Graphic Design Programs The Art Institutes - Get Info on Graphic Design Degrees. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=708Q5cnUeUQdVY_iYiu3GgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAABsvXT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhBJAAAAAA= From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Nov 8 10:09:20 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Nov 8 10:11:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. In-Reply-To: <20091108.125302.22671.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091108.125302.22671.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <005b01ca609e$989855e0$c9c901a0$@force9.co.uk> My guess is it's a hotch potch of a Marauder / Magnastar / Carnival mech with a Golden Jet Record Playing indicator. It is 100 selection - you can see the coloured blue/white popularity counter letters in banks of 10, totalling 5. Can't be any later, or a 160 as it has a letter / number style keypad. Its also got the up/down V style title rack like in Phono Jet. Just a total mess really - but cheap so for someone local it could be a good buy for the parts. Shame we've just had Nov 5th Bonfire night, could have burnt some of that wood ;-) Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 08 November 2009 17:53 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. Ron: The reason that led me to believe this is a late 60's early 70's mech is: Mech has the unfinished steel look of the "hidden mech" later model players. Earlier Seeburgs, even if part of a hideaway setup had more complete finish details. I saw the selection playing bar but it looks to me like the flat looking bar with the printed ckt board scanned by contact fingers on the mech. This operated a bank of front panel mounted incandescent lamp bulbs on LS-1,LS-2 and later models. In the complete jukes,the mech rack is turned around in these models with the Seeburg carriage facing rearward. The mech rack looks wider than the 100-play mech. That's why I think it's a 160 play model in the barrel. Just my educated guess. No biggie. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Graphic Design Programs The Art Institutes - Get Info on Graphic Design Degrees. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=708Q5cnUeUQdVY_iYiu3GgAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAABsvXT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhBJAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tmcderm653 at mchsi.com Sun Nov 8 12:24:16 2009 From: tmcderm653 at mchsi.com (Todd McDermott) Date: Sun Nov 8 10:26:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 488 Message-ID: Hi All Working on a rockola 488. Down to one last problem. Jukebox will not pick up selection, I have all the power LED's lit and correct voltages. When you make selection the magazine will spin 3 times and stop, same thing when you push the test button. The switches all check good and the optic led on the optic board flashes as the magazine rotates. The 4 leds on the mech controller bd seem to work as expected except for the ENCODER LED it is on all the time, my understanding from the manual is that it should flash as the magazine turns, correct? And looking at the schematics I would say it would have to be either IC 402 or IC 401. Am I on the right track or is there something else that would cause this problem? Thanks in advance Todd From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 8 11:38:31 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 8 11:41:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. Message-ID: <20091108.143831.20725.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Nigel, Gentlemen: I stand corrected---it sounds like you've noticed way more detail in the E Bay pix than I did. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ The Art Institutes Live your passion. Pursue a graphic design or creative arts degree. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=m_gFY3aV2P1BftbLaXDUYwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAABsvXT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhBIwAAAAA= From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Nov 8 11:46:37 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Nov 8 11:48:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. In-Reply-To: <20091108.143831.20725.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091108.143831.20725.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <006e01ca60ac$2ff83ec0$8fe8bc40$@force9.co.uk> It's wet and rainy here in the UK today Jim - I've had a lot of time to study the picture ;-) Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 08 November 2009 19:39 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. Nigel, Gentlemen: I stand corrected---it sounds like you've noticed way more detail in the E Bay pix than I did. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ The Art Institutes Live your passion. Pursue a graphic design or creative arts degree. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=m_gFY3aV2P1BftbLaXDUYwAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAABsvXT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhBIwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lavin at cheqnet.net Sun Nov 8 14:14:56 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sun Nov 8 14:16:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox CD player's Message-ID: <6F9DD22DB5BF40AA8EFA1D3E5CC7C7B4@dennis1cb9fd78> HI- well I had fun yesterday getting the jukebox opened up, and playing on the 1st cd player, but today I loaded the 2nd and 3rd players in it, and they dont work. 2nd unit made a lot of noise, and stalled. Took the cover off of it, and found the cd motor/laser asy just laying loose in the carrage. found the missing screws laying around inside the box, remounted the asy, but it dosnt spin up to speed, and sounds like the motor is rubbing somthing when it trys to spin a cd.. Have not opened up the 3rd player yet to see what is screaming in there . :-( Guess I was luck to get the 1st cd player working at all. I think I would like to get some spare cd players, any one know where I might find them , or just a replacment cd drive or 2 ?? Thanks-Dennis. Jukeboxdenny . From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Sun Nov 8 14:42:33 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun Nov 8 14:44:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox CD player's References: <6F9DD22DB5BF40AA8EFA1D3E5CC7C7B4@dennis1cb9fd78> Message-ID: cd adapter makes a MP3 conversion kit for these that works very well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis and Sue" To: Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox CD player's HI- well I had fun yesterday getting the jukebox opened up, and playing on the 1st cd player, but today I loaded the 2nd and 3rd players in it, and they dont work. 2nd unit made a lot of noise, and stalled. Took the cover off of it, and found the cd motor/laser asy just laying loose in the carrage. found the missing screws laying around inside the box, remounted the asy, but it dosnt spin up to speed, and sounds like the motor is rubbing somthing when it trys to spin a cd.. Have not opened up the 3rd player yet to see what is screaming in there . :-( Guess I was luck to get the 1st cd player working at all. I think I would like to get some spare cd players, any one know where I might find them , or just a replacment cd drive or 2 ?? Thanks-Dennis. Jukeboxdenny . _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 8 14:59:02 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Sun Nov 8 15:03:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 Selector problems Message-ID: For starters, Thanks to Grahame Harvey for the suggestions but no go. It appears after making a selection, the sprag lever does not stay engaged long enough to pop a selection pin. If I operate it manually, (hold it down) it pops the pin and goes and plays the selection just like it's supposed too. Also pretty crappy manual, no section on troubleshooting etc. Any more suggestions? Thanks Everyone. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Nov 8 15:28:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Nov 8 15:29:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. In-Reply-To: <20091108.125302.22671.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <83491.77881.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, I understand--100 mech's of that era were also un-painted--I did not keep the URL or I would go back and check it again--you could be correct--- Ron --- On Sun, 11/8/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox in a barrel. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:53 AM Ron: The reason that led me to believe this is a late 60's early 70's mech is: Mech has the unfinished steel look of the "hidden mech" later model players.? Earlier Seeburgs, even if part of a hideaway setup had more complete finish details. I saw the selection playing bar but it looks to me like the flat looking bar with the printed ckt board scanned by contact fingers on the mech.???This operated a bank of front panel mounted incandescent lamp bulbs on LS-1,LS-2 and later models.???In the complete jukes,the mech rack is turned around in these models with the Seeburg carriage facing rearward. The mech rack looks wider than the 100-play mech.???That's why I think it's a 160 play model in the barrel.? Just my educated guess.???No biggie. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Graphic Design Programs The Art Institutes - Get Info on Graphic Design Degrees. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=708Q5cnUeUQdVY_iYiu3GgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAABsvXT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhBJAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lavin at cheqnet.net Sun Nov 8 15:36:03 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sun Nov 8 15:37:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox CD player's References: <6F9DD22DB5BF40AA8EFA1D3E5CC7C7B4@dennis1cb9fd78> Message-ID: <5DACBFB0D536418AAD3A5E571F3D693A@dennis1cb9fd78> HI Bob -Yes I ran across that site, so if I cant find any parts, i may have to go that route. It looks like a nice and neat conversion. I'll keep looking for a while , might find a parts juke somewhere. Just didnt want to start dumping a lot of money into this at the moment. Too many other projects all bleeding my checkbook right now !! Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox CD player's > cd adapter makes a MP3 conversion kit for these that works very well. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis and Sue" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:14 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox CD player's > > > HI- well I had fun yesterday getting the jukebox opened up, and playing on > the 1st cd player, but today I loaded the 2nd and 3rd players in it, and > they dont work. > > 2nd unit made a lot of noise, and stalled. Took the cover off of it, and > found the cd motor/laser asy just laying loose in the carrage. found the > missing screws laying around inside the box, remounted the asy, but it > dosnt > spin up to speed, and sounds like the motor is rubbing somthing when it > trys > to spin a cd.. > > Have not opened up the 3rd player yet to see what is screaming in there . > :-( > > Guess I was luck to get the 1st cd player working at all. > > I think I would like to get some spare cd players, any one know where I > might find them , or just a replacment cd drive or 2 ?? > > > Thanks-Dennis. > > > Jukeboxdenny > . > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.55/2489 - Release Date: 11/08/09 01:37:00 From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 8 18:23:17 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Nov 8 18:25:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 Selector problems References: Message-ID: <001501ca60e3$99937160$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I would suspect dirty contacts or a tired power supply resulting in a weak pulse of the sprag relay. Have you replaced the capacitor and rectifier in the power supply? Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:59 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 Selector problems For starters, Thanks to Grahame Harvey for the suggestions but no go. It appears after making a selection, the sprag lever does not stay engaged long enough to pop a selection pin. If I operate it manually, (hold it down) it pops the pin and goes and plays the selection just like it's supposed too. Also pretty crappy manual, no section on troubleshooting etc. Any more suggestions? Thanks Everyone. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Nov 8 21:18:40 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sun Nov 8 21:20:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT****Rich's Church fundraiser Message-ID: <000101ca60fc$19ee6780$4dcb3680$@net> Little off topic, but wanted to share in the success of having the NSM City IV and W2800 at the school fundraiser a couple weeks ago. They were enjoyed greatly and many people seemed to be amazed that something of that vintage still worked. The kids really enjoyed "Monster Mash", a few of the Beatles songs and The Chipmunk Song. I heard John Denver coming from the 2800 frequently as well. Don't want to start a large discussion.just wanted to share. G'Night. Rich From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Nov 8 23:23:37 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Nov 8 23:25:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 Selector problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901ca610d$8e1b8dc0$aa52a940$@force9.co.uk> Check the schematic in the manual. I think, but am not certain, there is a resistor/capacitor time delay circuit to hold that relay in a while, long enough to pulse. When I get back home I'll have a look, Nigel,UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of rick murray Sent: 08 November 2009 22:59 To: jukebox list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 Selector problems For starters, Thanks to Grahame Harvey for the suggestions but no go. It appears after making a selection, the sprag lever does not stay engaged long enough to pop a selection pin. If I operate it manually, (hold it down) it pops the pin and goes and plays the selection just like it's supposed too. Also pretty crappy manual, no section on troubleshooting etc. Any more suggestions? Thanks Everyone. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_ MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1________________________________________ _______ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 9 01:00:04 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 9 01:01:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 Selector problems In-Reply-To: <001501ca60e3$99937160$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <336036.6908.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I was also thinking along those lines---and---is there a "timing condenser" on the relay? Are the contacts of the relay adjusted right, --and are they clean, free of "pits", and have enough surface area left on them, to carry the current ?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/8/09, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 Selector problems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 6:23 PM I would suspect dirty contacts or a tired power supply resulting in a weak pulse of the sprag relay. Have you replaced the capacitor and rectifier in the power supply? Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:59 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 Selector problems For starters, Thanks to Grahame Harvey? for the suggestions but no go. It appears after making a selection, the sprag lever does not stay engaged long enough to pop a selection pin. If I operate it manually, (hold it down)? it pops the pin and goes and plays the selection just like it's supposed too. Also pretty crappy manual, no section on troubleshooting etc. Any more suggestions? Thanks Everyone. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 9 05:36:06 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Mon Nov 9 05:44:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 Selector problems Message-ID: <33568.1520.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rick, As Nigel and Ron discussed. I am not an authority on anything but I've had a couple of Continentals including the current one.? There is a delay timing capacitor to allow time for the sprag to do its thing.? Years ago I got a schematic from one of the jukebox guys? (Smart Guy, how lucky we are to have their assistance) because this problem had plagued my machines.? It has been so long ago but I know a capacitor was changed and I believe a resistor too.? Could be wrong on that resistor.? It was designed to lengthen the delay, the pulse or something like that.? I changed it and it solved the problem! If all fails I'll start digging for that schematic. David (Close to the Geritol Ghetto) --- On Sun, 11/8/09, rick murray wrote: > From: rick murray > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 Selector problems > To: "jukebox list" > Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 3:59 PM > > For starters, Thanks to Grahame Harvey? for the > suggestions but no go. It appears after making a selection, > the sprag lever does not stay engaged long enough to pop a > selection pin. If I operate it manually, (hold it > down)? it pops the pin and goes and plays the selection > just like it's supposed too. Also pretty crappy manual, no > section on troubleshooting etc. > Any more suggestions? > Thanks Everyone. > > Rick >? ??? > ???????? > ?????? ??? > ? > _________________________________________________________________ > Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one > place. > http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dave.halford at telent.com Mon Nov 9 05:58:14 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Mon Nov 9 06:10:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1754 Stepper In-Reply-To: <5A16E811F5B243D496F50F13A6257B20@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <20091109135820.EA0EE20EFF1@blade202.lb.inty.net> here http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/catalog/index.php/cPath/60_108_154 regards Dave H "Glen Pitts" Sent by: To jukebox-list-boun "Jukebox List" ces@lists.netloji x.com cc Subject 08/11/2009 17:47 [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1754 Stepper Please respond to Jukebox mailing list It has become apparent to me that many of these stepper models are wired alike to the 1754 and have the same components. The one noticeable difference is the design of the chassis to fit different model jukeboxes; the fuse on one side, the mounting flange on the other and so on. One huge problem with these old steppers is that the white plastic gears, over time, cracks and will no longer turn freely. Sanding down the plastic shaft, then gluing the crack seems to allow it to turn again, but doesn't completely solve the problem. The teeth on the gears also wears over time, not always resulting in the correct number of steps, creating wrong selections. Understanding that anyone using these old steppers are, or will, have this problem, where are the replacement gears? Of all the repro gears offered by Victory Glass, this is not one of them. I'm unintentionally collecting steppers, trying to locate one that works. Who's to say that the overpriced steppers on Ebay are any better? Spending another $200 for yet another stepper is unfounded. If anyone has a lead for repro, or NOS gears, please let me know. I hate to think this is a dead end road, but it sure is looking that way. Glen _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Mon Nov 9 06:31:08 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Mon Nov 9 06:32:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 Selector problems In-Reply-To: <336036.6908.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <336036.6908.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <637838.98028.qm@web86706.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I have seen a similar problem where the search unit wiper contact ends?have worn away (remember - originals are coming up for fifty years old!).? Because these are slightly?in tension, the remaining section of the wiper contacts will still maintain contact but are now out of adjustment enough to drop out the sprague relay before the timing circuit comes in.? I would need to look at the diagrams to explain it properly but this is the general gist - the sprague comes in, the search unit contacts go open because the tips are gone and the adjustment is now altered, the sprague drops out, no selection made.? You can adjust the remains of the contacts to make the circuit work again, but you really should replace them?-?if that is the problem. N. ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Monday, 9 November, 2009 9:00:04 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 Selector problems I was also thinking along those lines---and---is there a "timing condenser" on the relay? Are the contacts of the relay adjusted right, --and are they clean, free of "pits", and have enough surface area left on them, to carry the current ?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/8/09, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 Selector problems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 6:23 PM I would suspect dirty contacts or a tired power supply resulting in a weak pulse of the sprag relay. Have you replaced the capacitor and rectifier in the power supply? Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:59 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 Selector problems For starters, Thanks to Grahame Harvey? for the suggestions but no go. It appears after making a selection, the sprag lever does not stay engaged long enough to pop a selection pin. If I operate it manually, (hold it down)? it pops the pin and goes and plays the selection just like it's supposed too. Also pretty crappy manual, no section on troubleshooting etc. Any more suggestions? Thanks Everyone. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tadperez at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 09:57:52 2009 From: tadperez at gmail.com (tad perez) Date: Mon Nov 9 10:05:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record ejecting problems Message-ID: <1994498c0911090957ra74a8efwf063d594251eb15b@mail.gmail.com> Hello Jukebox Geniuses, I have a problem with my jukebox not ejecting some of my records once it's done playing. First off I have a Rockola Princess (464), and what's happening on some records is that once it's done playing the record arm will bounce back and not eject the record, are there only certain 45 records that play in jukeboxes or is there an allignment issue? Also only a handful of records that are selected aren't landing on the turntable properly which is an allignment issue, but it's strange that it only happens on a few records? Thanks for any feedback Tad From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 9 11:19:55 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 9 11:21:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record ejecting problems In-Reply-To: <1994498c0911090957ra74a8efwf063d594251eb15b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <658078.38507.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tad, Just my guess--the first problem is probably being caused by a dirty set of contacts on the (end of record) switch--most likely with a "little help" from a tone arm wire that's getting stiff--that is, unless someone's been "adjusting" something-- The second problem is lack of proper lubrication of the gripper arm. The clamp does not close soon enough for the record to be proper aligned in the gripper, thus it's "off" as it is being set down. I suggest that you use some SAE 20 wt ND oil, and "flood the gripper" and all moving parts--? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 11/9/09, tad perez wrote: From: tad perez Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record ejecting problems To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 9:57 AM Hello Jukebox Geniuses, I have a problem with my jukebox not ejecting some of my records once it's done playing. First off I have a Rockola Princess (464), and what's happening on some records is that once it's done playing the record arm will bounce back and not eject the record, are there only certain 45 records that play in jukeboxes or is there an allignment issue? Also only a handful of records that are selected aren't landing on the turntable properly which is an allignment issue, but it's strange that it only happens on a few records? Thanks for any feedback Tad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 9 11:25:22 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 9 11:28:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record ejecting problems Message-ID: <20091109.142522.5264.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Tad:: To answer your Rock Ola questions: Yes you can have a few 45 RPM records that are pressed off center, are warped , or that have non standard run-out grooves, but it shouldn't be happening frequently. You should take care not to put warped records into any type of automatic play record changer. If the complaints you're talking about do happen a lot these are the areas of your juke that need adjustment and attention: I'm assuming that you have the service manual for your machine. Use records that are known to be in good condition, not warped as a standard to set the changer adjustments. Tripoff at the end of record play Beneath the tone arm at it's pivot point, to the right of the turntable, you'll see a leaf switch assembly. This is the trip out switch. Possibly the contacts are dirty. It may be out of adjustment. You mentioned that the tone arm "bounces back" onto the play surface of the record. This shouldn't happen. The tripoff lever that operates this switch has a fine adjustment. See the service manual. If records are not being centered perfectly over the turntable as the gripper arm picks them up, this will cause the record-handling problem you talked about. Adjustments are normally made to shift the turntable plate (platform) into proper alignment with the gripper arm. Ths is a straightforward simnple process. See the service manual for adjustment details. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Blue Cross Health Plans Quote & compare top health plans like Blue Cross, Aetna, and more! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=6m74OVpYAls-zXHEWw6c0wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAIBCvz4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOGiQAAAAA= From pinplayers at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 11:39:05 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Mon Nov 9 11:40:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911091139m238e9926q8ea27c8b6c9202d4@mail.gmail.com> Hello, First time post here but have been reading this group for several months now. Great information and very pleasant forum. I was hoping to get some advise on a method to clean some of the grime from both the Amp and Rreceiver unit from a Model M100C before I begin re-capping them. Can it be clean with warm water and a detergent? I see the transformers have an open base were the primary and secondary wire protrude. Any issue with water getting in there? Thanks Don... From russodue at earthlink.net Mon Nov 9 11:33:37 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Mon Nov 9 11:57:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Message-ID: <11395738.1257795217605.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Well, I've moved onto another issue. Seems only 1/3 of the records select. 2/3, when pressed, you can hear sound - as if the pin is tripping, but no action. Does this imply that the relays need cleaning inside of the pin wheel? Something I am not looking forward to doing. Thanks for any info. P.S. Ron, you actually have a book in circulation that describes the tear down of pin wheels? Tony From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Mon Nov 9 11:56:57 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Mon Nov 9 11:58:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e0911091139m238e9926q8ea27c8b6c9202d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cf1842e0911091139m238e9926q8ea27c8b6c9202d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have cleaned similar amps by spraying a cleaner like Fantastic or 409 onto a damp cloth, and then wiping down the chassis. Then I'll wipe it clean again, with just a damp cloth. The same thing will work on the transformers. It's amazing the amount of dirt and crud that will come off of it, so the process clearly works. If you do it the above way, you should not have to drench the amps in water. Water getting into the transformers could be very damaging. Clean up what you can, then you could always repaint the transforms, so that they will look like new. I've done this with my Seeburg G, and the results are awesome. Put a small piece of masking tape over the yellow date codes so as to preserve them. Good question Don. Welcome to the forum. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Donald Whiting Sent: 2009, November, 09 2:39 PM To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps Hello, First time post here but have been reading this group for several months now. Great information and very pleasant forum. I was hoping to get some advise on a method to clean some of the grime from both the Amp and Rreceiver unit from a Model M100C before I begin re-capping them. Can it be clean with warm water and a detergent? I see the transformers have an open base were the primary and secondary wire protrude. Any issue with water getting in there? Thanks Don... _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 9 12:10:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 9 12:12:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e0911091139m238e9926q8ea27c8b6c9202d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34738.42813.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Don, Great question ! Un fortunately I don't have a good answer--hopefully someone does ! I used to use a product that pre-dated "Scrubbing Bubbles" for that,but the company that made it is no longer around--It seamed to be the same, but MUCH more "powerful" but still left the "silk screen" alone-- I also knew a gentleman who used "bathtub" caulk around the transformer wire exits. He claimed he then waited 24 hours and ran the whole thing thru the dishwasher--I have never had enough nerve to attempt this--- Recently, it has been suggested that "Brasso" ( or it's sister product "Noxon") can be used for this--however, I attempted it on a recent amp, and found it wanting---- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Donald Whiting wrote: From: Donald Whiting Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 11:39 AM Hello, First time post here but have been reading this group for several months now. Great information and very pleasant forum. I was hoping to get some advise on a method to clean some of the grime from both the Amp and Rreceiver unit from a Model M100C before I begin re-capping them. Can it be clean with warm water and a detergent? I see the transformers have an open base were the primary and secondary wire protrude. Any issue with water getting in there? Thanks Don... _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 9 12:21:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 9 12:23:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection In-Reply-To: <11395738.1257795217605.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <328647.73034.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tony It has been my experience (mostly with Seeburg SA units, aka: "pinbanks") that when this happens, it's a "dirt" problem. The way to prove this, is to find a pin or two that will not move to the selected state, and move it by hand --a few times, while "pulling down" on the pin. If it will now move when selected the problem is "dirt"--if not, it can be all sort of other things--- No, I don't have any book on that subject, for any brand phonograph--however, "Dr. Know it All" from the Always Jukin Magazine has written about it, for the RO's, and his books are available from www.alwaysjukin.com? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Russo wrote: From: Russo Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 11:33 AM Well, I've moved onto another issue.? Seems only 1/3 of the records select.? 2/3, when pressed, you can hear sound - as if the pin is tripping, but no action. Does this imply that the relays need cleaning inside of the pin wheel?? Something I am not looking forward to doing.? Thanks for any info. P.S.? Ron, you actually have a book in circulation that describes the tear down of pin wheels? Tony _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinplayers at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 13:07:13 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Mon Nov 9 13:16:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps In-Reply-To: <34738.42813.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8cf1842e0911091139m238e9926q8ea27c8b6c9202d4@mail.gmail.com> <34738.42813.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911091307i270871cetf0591d8969beabbe@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the warm welcome. I'll give the 409 a test run tonight. I don't think getting the windings wet in the transformers should be an issue given enough time to dry out but I want to see if anyone here has given this a try and if it worked out OK. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Don, > Great question ! Un fortunately I don't have a good answer--hopefully > someone does ! > I used to use a product that pre-dated "Scrubbing Bubbles" for that,but the > company that made it is no longer around--It seamed to be the same, but MUCH > more "powerful" but still left the "silk screen" alone-- > I also knew a gentleman who used "bathtub" caulk around the transformer > wire exits. He claimed he then waited 24 hours and ran the whole thing thru > the dishwasher--I have never had enough nerve to attempt this--- > Recently, it has been suggested that "Brasso" ( or it's sister product > "Noxon") can be used for this--however, I attempted it on a recent amp, and > found it wanting---- Ron Rich > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Donald Whiting wrote: > > From: Donald Whiting > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 11:39 AM > > Hello, First time post here but have been reading this group for several > months now. Great information and very pleasant forum. I was hoping to get > some advise on a method to clean some of the grime from both the Amp and > Rreceiver unit from a Model M100C before I begin re-capping them. Can it be > clean with warm water and a detergent? I see the transformers have an open > base were the primary and secondary wire protrude. Any issue with water > getting in there? > > > Thanks Don... > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 9 13:46:13 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 9 13:47:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e0911091307i270871cetf0591d8969beabbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <199806.66264.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Don, I think it is an "issue"--I am currently going to change a power transformer on a 201, that was in a flood some twenty years ago. The high water never reached the transformers, but the phono was left in the water for about a month.? Four or five years ago, the amp output tranny went bad ? Now this one --? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Donald Whiting wrote: From: Donald Whiting Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:07 PM Thanks for the warm welcome. I'll give the 409 a test run tonight. I don't think getting the windings wet in the transformers should be an issue given enough time to dry out but I want to see if anyone here has given this a try and if it worked out OK. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Don, > Great question ! Un fortunately I don't have a good answer--hopefully > someone does ! > I used to use a product that pre-dated "Scrubbing Bubbles" for that,but the > company that made it is no longer around--It seamed to be the same, but MUCH > more "powerful" but still left the "silk screen" alone-- > I also knew a gentleman who used "bathtub" caulk around the transformer > wire exits. He claimed he then waited 24 hours and ran the whole thing thru > the dishwasher--I have never had enough nerve to attempt this--- > Recently, it has been suggested that "Brasso" ( or it's sister product > "Noxon") can be used for this--however, I attempted it on a recent amp, and > found it wanting---- Ron Rich > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Donald Whiting wrote: > > From: Donald Whiting > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 11:39 AM > > Hello, First time post here but have been reading this group for several > months now. Great information and very pleasant forum. I was hoping to get > some advise on a method to clean some of the grime from both the Amp and > Rreceiver unit from a Model M100C before I begin re-capping them. Can it be > clean with warm water and a detergent? I see the transformers have an open > base were the primary and secondary wire protrude. Any issue with water > getting in there? > > > Thanks Don... >? _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinplayers at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 14:18:38 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Mon Nov 9 14:20:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps In-Reply-To: <199806.66264.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8cf1842e0911091307i270871cetf0591d8969beabbe@mail.gmail.com> <199806.66264.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911091418m477f990cpc8f09bacd9619271@mail.gmail.com> Ok thanks Ron that was the feedback I was looking for. Don On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Don, > I think it is an "issue"--I am currently going to change a power > transformer on a 201, that was in a flood some twenty years ago. The high > water never reached the transformers, but the phono was left in the water > for about a month. Four or five years ago, the amp output tranny went bad ? > Now this one -- Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Donald Whiting wrote: > > From: Donald Whiting > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:07 PM > > Thanks for the warm welcome. I'll give the 409 a test run tonight. I don't > think getting the windings wet in the transformers should be an issue given > enough time to dry out but I want to see if anyone here has given this a > try > and if it worked out OK. > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > > > Don, > > Great question ! Un fortunately I don't have a good answer--hopefully > > someone does ! > > I used to use a product that pre-dated "Scrubbing Bubbles" for that,but > the > > company that made it is no longer around--It seamed to be the same, but > MUCH > > more "powerful" but still left the "silk screen" alone-- > > I also knew a gentleman who used "bathtub" caulk around the transformer > > wire exits. He claimed he then waited 24 hours and ran the whole thing > thru > > the dishwasher--I have never had enough nerve to attempt this--- > > Recently, it has been suggested that "Brasso" ( or it's sister product > > "Noxon") can be used for this--however, I attempted it on a recent amp, > and > > found it wanting---- Ron Rich > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Donald Whiting wrote: > > > > From: Donald Whiting > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps > > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 11:39 AM > > > > Hello, First time post here but have been reading this group for several > > months now. Great information and very pleasant forum. I was hoping to > get > > some advise on a method to clean some of the grime from both the Amp and > > Rreceiver unit from a Model M100C before I begin re-capping them. Can it > be > > clean with warm water and a detergent? I see the transformers have an > open > > base were the primary and secondary wire protrude. Any issue with water > > getting in there? > > > > > > Thanks Don... > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From russodue at earthlink.net Mon Nov 9 14:37:52 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Mon Nov 9 14:45:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Message-ID: <2971072.1257806272604.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thanks for the reply Ron. Pardon my ignorance "pinback" not pin wheel. When you say "pulling down" on the pin, do you mean to apply downward pressure while pulling it to the outside? Thanks Tony -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Sent: Nov 9, 2009 2:21 PM To: Russo , Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Tony It has been my experience (mostly with Seeburg SA units, aka: "pinbanks") that when this happens, it's a "dirt" problem. The way to prove this, is to find a pin or two that will not move to the selected state, and move it by hand --a few times, while "pulling down" on the pin. If it will now move when selected the problem is "dirt"--if not, it can be all sort of other things--- No, I don't have any book on that subject, for any brand phonograph--however, "Dr. Know it All" from the Always Jukin Magazine has written about it, for the RO's, and his books are available from www.alwaysjukin.com Ron Rich --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Russo wrote: From: Russo Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 11:33 AM Well, I've moved onto another issue. Seems only 1/3 of the records select. 2/3, when pressed, you can hear sound - as if the pin is tripping, but no action. Does this imply that the relays need cleaning inside of the pin wheel? Something I am not looking forward to doing. Thanks for any info. P.S. Ron, you actually have a book in circulation that describes the tear down of pin wheels? Tony _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From russodue at earthlink.net Mon Nov 9 14:39:45 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Mon Nov 9 14:59:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Message-ID: <7940277.1257806385794.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thanks for the reply Ron. Pardon my ignorance "pinback" not pin wheel. When you say "pulling down" on the pin, do you mean to apply downward pressure while pulling it to the outside? Thanks Tony -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Sent: Nov 9, 2009 2:21 PM To: Russo , Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Tony It has been my experience (mostly with Seeburg SA units, aka: "pinbanks") that when this happens, it's a "dirt" problem. The way to prove this, is to find a pin or two that will not move to the selected state, and move it by hand --a few times, while "pulling down" on the pin. If it will now move when selected the problem is "dirt"--if not, it can be all sort of other things--- No, I don't have any book on that subject, for any brand phonograph--however, "Dr. Know it All" from the Always Jukin Magazine has written about it, for the RO's, and his books are available from www.alwaysjukin.com Ron Rich --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Russo wrote: From: Russo Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 11:33 AM Well, I've moved onto another issue. Seems only 1/3 of the records select. 2/3, when pressed, you can hear sound - as if the pin is tripping, but no action. Does this imply that the relays need cleaning inside of the pin wheel? Something I am not looking forward to doing. Thanks for any info. P.S. Ron, you actually have a book in circulation that describes the tear down of pin wheels? Tony _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Mon Nov 9 15:52:03 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Mon Nov 9 15:54:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection References: <11395738.1257795217605.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000b01ca6197$a3c568a0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> In my experience with Rockola pinbanks, I've found it necessary to disassemble and clean the pinbank for the machine to play reliably. You are right - it is not a fun chore. I also clean the keyboard (pushbutton) switches and replace the rectifier and dual section capacitor inside the credit unit. But you might get lucky and not have to do this. In your description, you mention 1/3 select, but 2/3 do not. The rotating titleboard has a cam and a set of microswitches (on the left side) which allow selections for only the group that is showing (1-40, or 41-80, or 81-120). So if you have a problem with one or more of these switches, you will not get selections in a particular group. Also, just like in the Seeburg pinbanks, there is a fine flexible wire soldered to the armature of the group relays that tends to break off, so a whole group of 20 selections becomes inactive. Give us a little more information as to a pattern (if any) of selections that will not make. If there is no pattern, most likely you will need to tear it apart and start cleaning. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russo" To: Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection > Well, I've moved onto another issue. Seems only 1/3 of the records > select. 2/3, when pressed, you can hear sound - as if the pin is > tripping, but no action. Does this imply that the relays need cleaning > inside of the pin wheel? Something I am not looking forward to doing. > Thanks for any info. > > P.S. Ron, you actually have a book in circulation that describes the tear > down of pin wheels? > > > Tony > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 9 16:45:06 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 9 16:48:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Message-ID: <20091109.194506.8089.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Tony: Here are a couple of quick things you can try as a last ditch effort before taking apart the pinbank and cleaning it. First, per Jim Dirksen, clean the contacts of the leaf switches at the left of the rotating title board. This is plausible explanation to your 1/3 - 2/3 problem. Proper way to clean switch contacts is to wet a thick rough piece of paper (like a business card) in contact cleaner (the best one to buy is Caig Labs' De-Oxit, sold at electronics parts houses) Run the paper in between the switch contacts, several times then repeat with a dry piece of paper. Don't bend the contacts, press them together or use a file to clean them. These may be a quick soilution now but will cause you more problems in the long run. Pin bank-- Move each of the pins back and forth with your finger. You may find a few of them that are sticking or are frozen in place. This problem usually gets more chronic with pins at the bottom of the drum. After that I suggest spraying 409 cleaner onto a toothbrush. Use the toothbrush to gently scrub in between all the pins all the way around the drum. Next, using a 2nd toothbrush spray De Oxit contact cleaner (important: for this job, don't use anything else!) onto the toothbrush and repeat the process. Using the nozzle supplied with it, spray small amounts of De Oxit into the individual pin windows. Removing & servicing the pinbank: For RockOla machines removal and cleaning of a pinbank is a tedious job, even for an accomplished technician. The "Murphy's Law" factor runs high as there are lots of little clips, springs, contacts to line up, etc that need to be carefully watched for as you open up the assembly. Before attempting this, be sure you have the service manual, which will describe the removal reassembly process of the pinbank from the mech. Maybe Dr Know it All addresses the topic of cleaning pinbanks in one of his RockOla repair books. As an alternative, maybe a servicer like Vern Tisdale will disasemble and clean the pinbank drum for you if you send it to him. Call and ask first--he may be only doing Seeburg 100 pinbanks. (web:www.verntisdale.com) JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Free Phone System Price Quotes Get free phone system price quotes from multiple dealers and save! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=s2EXCOHefwtsZyGWw5ppHAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPwphT8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIVMAAAAAA= From kjq45 at att.net Mon Nov 9 17:07:45 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Nov 9 17:09:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1754 Stepper References: <20091109135820.EA0EE20EFF1@blade202.lb.inty.net> Message-ID: Thanks Dave. I looked at the gears on this web site and they certainly look like the correct parts. I sent them an email to make sure, as they are a bit pricey. Strangely enough, I completely serviced another stepper last weekend and it worked great for about five selections, then just plain quit. In a little more detail, when I make a selection on the wall box, the stepper ratchets, the machine starts looking for the pin to trip, but never finds it. The machine just keeps turning, looking for the pin. I have to power the jukebox off, then back on, to make it stop looking. At this point, the machine won't select either, not until I remove the stepper, then the machine works perfectly. I can't figure out what happened. It failed while in use. I've checked stepper coils and relay contacts. The caps are all new. Maybe someone has a suggestion? It's a Rock-Ola Princess 1493 with a 1754 stepper and a 3w1 wallbox. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1754 Stepper > here > > http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/catalog/index.php/cPath/60_108_154 > > regards > > Dave H > > > > > > "Glen Pitts" > > Sent by: To > jukebox-list-boun "Jukebox List" > ces@lists.netloji > x.com cc > > Subject > 08/11/2009 17:47 [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1754 > Stepper > > Please respond to > Jukebox mailing > list > ts.netlojix.com> > > > > > > > It has become apparent to me that many of these stepper models are wired > alike to the 1754 and have the same components. The one noticeable > difference is the design of the chassis to fit different model jukeboxes; > the fuse on one side, the mounting flange on the other and so on. > > One huge problem with these old steppers is that the white plastic gears, > over time, cracks and will no longer turn freely. Sanding down the > plastic > shaft, then gluing the crack seems to allow it to turn again, but doesn't > completely solve the problem. The teeth on the gears also wears over > time, > not always resulting in the correct number of steps, creating wrong > selections. > > Understanding that anyone using these old steppers are, or will, have this > problem, where are the replacement gears? Of all the repro gears offered > by Victory Glass, this is not one of them. > > I'm unintentionally collecting steppers, trying to locate one that works. > Who's to say that the overpriced steppers on Ebay are any better? > Spending > another $200 for yet another stepper is unfounded. > > If anyone has a lead for repro, or NOS gears, please let me know. I hate > to think this is a dead end road, but it sure is looking that way. Glen > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - > www.maildefender.net > > > > > This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any > attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If > you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this > e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender > immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and > delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or > opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may > not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot > be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be > intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or > contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any > errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a > result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus > transmitted by this email. > > > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - > www.maildefender.net > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From russodue at earthlink.net Mon Nov 9 17:01:47 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Mon Nov 9 19:11:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Message-ID: <7992707.1257814907157.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thank you for the reply Jim. What do you mean "don't use a file to clean them"! OMG! That is what I did! I used a small skinny hobby file to clean away some thick green oxidized areas. Now I know for certain there is good contact being made. Also, there are some contacts that you simply CANNOT reach. They are located along the center of the contact board. It seems the button levers and contacts are some sort of ancient chinese secret contraption! You can't tear it down to clean, unless you have some sort of specialty tool (I'm guessing), and/or drilling out some rivets! Tony -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander Sent: Nov 9, 2009 6:45 PM To: russodue@earthlink.net, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Tony: Here are a couple of quick things you can try as a last ditch effort before taking apart the pinbank and cleaning it. First, per Jim Dirksen, clean the contacts of the leaf switches at the left of the rotating title board. This is plausible explanation to your 1/3 - 2/3 problem. Proper way to clean switch contacts is to wet a thick rough piece of paper (like a business card) in contact cleaner (the best one to buy is Caig Labs' De-Oxit, sold at electronics parts houses) Run the paper in between the switch contacts, several times then repeat with a dry piece of paper. Don't bend the contacts, press them together or use a file to clean them. These may be a quick soilution now but will cause you more problems in the long run. Pin bank-- Move each of the pins back and forth with your finger. You may find a few of them that are sticking or are frozen in place. This problem usually gets more chronic with pins at the bottom of the drum. After that I suggest spraying 409 cleaner onto a toothbrush. Use the toothbrush to gently scrub in between all the pins all the way around the drum. Next, using a 2nd toothbrush spray De Oxit contact cleaner (important: for this job, don't use anything else!) onto the toothbrush and repeat the process. Using the nozzle supplied with it, spray small amounts of De Oxit into the individual pin windows. Removing & servicing the pinbank: For RockOla machines removal and cleaning of a pinbank is a tedious job, even for an accomplished technician. The "Murphy's Law" factor runs high as there are lots of little clips, springs, contacts to line up, etc that need to be carefully watched for as you open up the assembly. Before attempting this, be sure you have the service manual, which will describe the removal reassembly process of the pinbank from the mech. Maybe Dr Know it All addresses the topic of cleaning pinbanks in one of his RockOla repair books. As an alternative, maybe a servicer like Vern Tisdale will disasemble and clean the pinbank drum for you if you send it to him. Call and ask first--he may be only doing Seeburg 100 pinbanks. (web:www.verntisdale.com) JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Home Owner Insurance Save up to 50% on home insurance! Top carriers. Compare rates now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=H_dWeKXvpd9eJbd4ZasdnAAAJ1HPgGjxwhdU0HG1ne_fYB23AAQAAAAFAAAAAMYqYj4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABV1JQAAAAA= From jay at west.net Mon Nov 9 19:31:37 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Nov 9 19:33:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection In-Reply-To: <7992707.1257814907157.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7992707.1257814907157.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4AF8DE99.6030207@west.net> Russo wrote: > Thank you for the reply Jim. What do you mean "don't use a file to clean them"! OMG! That is what I did! I used a small skinny hobby file to clean away some thick green oxidized areas. Now I know for certain there is good contact being made. Many relay and switch contacts are plated and/or have a specific shape profile for best contact, often a slightly convex dome to ensure contact under slight misalignment or for wiping action. Filing will remove the plating and alter the shape of the contact. The only abrasive suitable for some relay contacts is a burnishing tool made for the purpose and recommended for that specific type of relay. It is a very fine abrasive. Usually all that is needed is to remove a thin coating of oil or oxidized material, and a piece of bond paper such as copy paper or a business card is abrasive enough to do this without altering the contact itself. > Also, there are some contacts that you simply CANNOT reach. They are located along the center of the contact board. It seems the button levers and contacts are some sort of ancient chinese secret contraption! You can't tear it down to clean, unless you have some sort of specialty tool (I'm guessing), and/or drilling out some rivets! Spray with Caig De-Ox-It and work them back and forth a few times. Sliding switch contacts have a wiping action that tends to polish the contact as part of the action of operating the switch. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ccos at knology.net Mon Nov 9 22:33:22 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Nov 9 22:34:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection In-Reply-To: <4AF8DE99.6030207@west.net> References: <7992707.1257814907157.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4AF8DE99.6030207@west.net> Message-ID: <67260B8127814CC487CC4877BC4A8E2D@CCOSPC> Hey Jay, Don't forget those business cards that so many unwanted salesmen drop off. I cut them into strips and use them for burnishing. I also turn them over and write names, addresses and phone numbers of people I actually WANT to do business with, but that's another subject. I used to file and sand contacts before I knew any better so I ain't acting smart alecky. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection > Russo wrote: >> Thank you for the reply Jim. What do you mean "don't use a file to clean >> them"! OMG! That is what I did! I used a small skinny hobby file to >> clean away some thick green oxidized areas. Now I know for certain there >> is good contact being made. > > Many relay and switch contacts are plated and/or have a specific shape > profile for best contact, often a slightly convex dome to ensure contact > under slight misalignment or for wiping action. Filing will remove the > plating and alter the shape of the contact. > > The only abrasive suitable for some relay contacts is a burnishing tool > made for the purpose and recommended for that specific type of relay. It > is a very fine abrasive. > > Usually all that is needed is to remove a thin coating of oil or oxidized > material, and a piece of bond paper such as copy paper or a business card > is abrasive enough to do this without altering the contact itself. > >> Also, there are some contacts that you simply CANNOT reach. They are >> located along the center of the contact board. It seems the button >> levers and contacts are some sort of ancient chinese secret contraption! >> You can't tear it down to clean, unless you have some sort of specialty >> tool (I'm guessing), and/or drilling out some rivets! > > Spray with Caig De-Ox-It and work them back and forth a few times. Sliding > switch contacts have a wiping action that tends to polish the contact as > part of the action of operating the switch. > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dave.halford at telent.com Tue Nov 10 01:01:03 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Tue Nov 10 01:11:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1754 Stepper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091110090105.8F9BE2BEA71@blade205.la.inty.net> Glen Just noticed in my stepper archive Victory Glass 80-4462 and 80-4463 delrin gears match RO44481 and 44482. A little closer to home for you regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From Graham.Parish at hds.com Tue Nov 10 03:53:13 2009 From: Graham.Parish at hds.com (Graham Parish) Date: Tue Nov 10 04:10:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Show in London Message-ID: <57E31896BAFBE5419070221C8CA9B10E2AC844DD40@USINDEVS01.corp.hds.com> Hi All, Readers may be interested to see what the recent Jukebox Madness show looked like in London UK Take a look at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niyKWO3rNvQ&feature=youtube_gdata Regards... Graham Parish From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 10 06:18:35 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Tue Nov 10 06:20:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT****Rich's Church fundraiser In-Reply-To: <000101ca60fc$19ee6780$4dcb3680$@net> Message-ID: <705719.85195.qm@web63202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thanks for sharing that with us Rich! That must have been pretty cool to have all of those people enjoy your jukes.It must have been a real pain though to move them around;I know they're not too light.I take it you had them set up for coin-op use during the fundraiser?? The NSM was a CD juke correct? Do you have any pics to share of the jukes at the fundraiser;because I'm sure we would all like to see them.That is just too cool! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball National Vending CC Deluxe(year unk.) --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT****Rich's Church fundraiser To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:18 AM Little off topic,? but wanted to share in the success of having the NSM City IV and W2800 at the school fundraiser a couple weeks ago.? They were enjoyed greatly and many people seemed to be amazed that something of that vintage still worked.? The kids really enjoyed "Monster Mash",? a few of the Beatles songs and The Chipmunk Song.? I heard John Denver coming from the 2800 frequently as well. Don't want to start a large discussion.just wanted to share. G'Night. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pat2355 at aol.com Tue Nov 10 07:41:37 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 10 07:43:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <20091110090105.8F9BE2BEA71@blade205.la.inty.net> Message-ID: <8CC30336C77B747-1068-32A7@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com> Vintage 1960's Silvertone Twin Twelve tube amp head I recently sold a 1960's SIlvertone twin twelve guitar amp on ebay. When I hooked it up to a phono and speaker it amplified, but since I never rebuilt it I sold it as is. Finish looked great, no rust on chassis, & no rust on transformers. According to the seller the perfect looking paint is (HORROR) a perfect looking repaint.(no runs, drips, overpaint or spray just too brown) He felt excellent was too strong a word given the repaint. Then he found out it didn't work properly. Now I'm not a guitar amp guy, but is it even possible for a 50 year old amp to work perfect after all this time without a rebuild ? Add in the fact that the guy demanded a partial refund and I got pissed. There's a tone you set when wallets are coming out and only the young and STUPID think testosterone helps the process. I told the guy I'd respond in a few days to cool off. He replied immediately letting me know the blame is all mine. Do I explain what "as is" means to the kid ? Do I ask him if he was colorblind when he viewed the pics ? Do I explain how amps age ? I'd take it back, but i tend to not trust people I don't like.Thanks for listening . Kinda funny a sold a R1617 speaker at the same time and lots of extra pics were required...sold for $168.... no extra pics on the guitar amp...sold for $328. From russodue at earthlink.net Mon Nov 9 23:13:04 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Tue Nov 10 07:45:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Message-ID: <31236325.1257837184883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> That's fine Jay, even if you were. Like I mentioned, none are silver. They appear copper. Silver doesn't tarnish green, copper does. I'll take a picture of the contacts, and why I cannot clean them "entirely" due to the board(s) construction. -----Original Message----- From: CCOS Sent: Nov 10, 2009 12:33 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Hey Jay, Don't forget those business cards that so many unwanted salesmen drop off. I cut them into strips and use them for burnishing. I also turn them over and write names, addresses and phone numbers of people I actually WANT to do business with, but that's another subject. I used to file and sand contacts before I knew any better so I ain't acting smart alecky. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Russo wrote: Thank you for the reply Jim. What do you mean "don't use a file to clean them"! OMG! That is what I did! I used a small skinny hobby file to clean away some thick green oxidized areas. Now I know for certain there is good contact being made. Many relay and switch contacts are plated and/or have a specific shape profile for best contact, often a slightly convex dome to ensure contact under slight misalignment or for wiping action. Filing will remove the plating and alter the shape of the contact. The only abrasive suitable for some relay contacts is a burnishing tool made for the purpose and recommended for that specific type of relay. It is a very fine abrasive. Usually all that is needed is to remove a thin coating of oil or oxidized material, and a piece of bond paper such as copy paper or a business card is abrasive enough to do this without altering the contact itself. Also, there are some contacts that you simply CANNOT reach. They are located along the center of the contact board. It seems the button levers and contacts are some sort of ancient chinese secret contraption! You can't tear it down to clean, unless you have some sort of specialty tool (I'm guessing), and/or drilling out some rivets! Spray with Caig De-Ox-It and work them back and forth a few times. Sliding switch contacts have a wiping action that tends to polish the contact as part of the action of operating the switch. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Nov 10 07:54:51 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Nov 10 07:56:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <8CC30336C77B747-1068-32A7@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <992911.2426.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, pat2355@aol.com wrote: > I told the guy I'd respond in a few days to cool > off. He replied immediately letting me know the blame is all > mine. Do I explain what "as is" means to the kid ? Do I ask > him if he was colorblind when he viewed the pics ? Do I > explain how amps age ? Do you have his address? I'd write a calm, thorough letter explaining the significance of 1) "As Is", 2) Dealing in good faith, 3) The fact that you are only responsible for any deliberate misrepresentation in your discription, 4) That you offered no warrantee of merchantability (refer back to #1), and send it through certfied mail with a return receipt. At that point you've done all you can. You can either knuckle under to his demands (although it sounds like, untilately, it will be impossible to avoid some type of negative feedback from him), or you can just accept the fact that he's a jerk and there's nothing you can do about it except leave equally negative (albeit truthful) feedback about him. If I'm buying something from someone on Ebay, and they have all glowing reviews except for one, I always disregard the exception. (I have one like that myself; I'm convinced they guy was psychotic.) There's no pleasing some people. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 10 09:03:12 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 10 09:07:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Message-ID: <20091110.120312.5133.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Pat: As they say,beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One man's junk is another's treasure. Guitarists are usually motivated to buy specific vintage model amps, because they are looking for a specific tone quality unique to that unit. I'm a service tech, and I work on both jukes and musicians' amps. In musicians' circles, there are a few servicers that offer the holistic rebuilds of classic amplifiers, the way the jukebox guys are accustomed to. Most servicers that cater to musicians, when given an old amp to service, will use a typical troubleshooting/trouble isolation approach and only change parts in the affected circuit. For your guitarist, if he patronizes this type of repair shop, that will usually mean that he will be nickelled and dimed to death with a lot of individual repair efforts. Maybe this is the reason for all the hostility. I've come across many people who are not aware that electronics deteriorate with age, and need to be kept up if they want to continue to use them. For many younger folks,the concept that vacuum tubes wear with use is a novel concept. Then there those who are just freeloaders, people who expect you to kiss their a** because they offering to buy something from you. As for the "what would I do if I were in your shoes" advice, after reading your letter, these are the points that seem important to me: In your sales language on E Bay, did you state that you were selling the unit in "as-is" original condition, with no implied warranty, and that sales are final--no returns? If you didn't your customer may have the basis for a complaint. What happens if you refuse to give him his money back, and he posts negative feedback about you? If you're a regular E Bay seller, how harmful is this to you? Don't let emotions, or your personal dislike for the guy weigh in on your decision. You need to weigh all consequences and decide what's in your best interest. Look for other Silvertone amps like yours for sale on the bay and ask--how easy would it be to resell it again, maybe for more money? How much more could you get for it if you took the time (or spent the money) to make the amp perfect before selling? Sometimes this can be worth the extra investment. However,in this crappy economy, maybe not. E Bay sales history for similar items can tell you a lot. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Medical Insurance Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=GwzrtP47VIvEjGoh6GF2VAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAJuxsz4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABJQNAAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 10 09:05:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 10 09:07:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <8CC30336C77B747-1068-32A7@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <733518.20895.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'll check in on your side--"as-is" dobe, zactly, that---IMHO.? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/10/09, pat2355@aol.com wrote: From: pat2355@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 7:41 AM Vintage 1960's Silvertone Twin Twelve tube amp head I recently sold a 1960's? SIlvertone twin twelve guitar amp on ebay. When I hooked it up to a phono and speaker it amplified, but since I never rebuilt it I sold it as is. Finish looked great, no rust on chassis, & no rust on transformers. According to the seller the perfect looking paint is (HORROR) a perfect looking repaint.(no runs, drips, overpaint or spray just too brown) He felt excellent was too strong a word given the repaint. Then he found out it didn't work properly. Now I'm not a guitar amp guy, but is it even possible for a 50 year old amp to work perfect after all this time without a rebuild ? Add in the fact that the guy demanded a partial refund and? I got pissed. There's a tone you set when wallets are coming out and only the young and STUPID think testosterone helps the process. I told the guy I'd respond in a few days to cool off. He replied immediately letting me know the blame is all mine. Do I explain what "as is" means to the kid ? Do I ask him if he was colorblind when he viewed the pics ? Do I explain how amps age ? I'd take it back, but i tend to not trust people I don't like.Thanks for listening . Kinda funny a sold a R1617 speaker at the same time and lots of extra pics were required...sold for $168.... no extra pics on the guitar amp...sold for $328. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pat2355 at aol.com Tue Nov 10 09:15:13 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 10 09:17:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <733518.20895.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC3040800F6EA8-45F0-142D8@webmail-m065.sysops.aol.com> Mr Ron Rich, I don't know if you meant to bring a grin to my face, but I sure enjoy the language you misused. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:05 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic I'll check in on your side--"as-is" dobe, zactly, that---IMHO. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/10/09, pat2355@aol.com wrote: From: pat2355@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 7:41 AM Vintage 1960's Silvertone Twin Twelve tube amp head I recently sold a 1960's SIlvertone twin twelve guitar amp on ebay. When I hooked it up to a phono and speaker it amplified, but since I never rebuilt it I sold it as is. Finish looked great, no rust on chassis, & no rust on transformers. According to the seller the perfect looking paint is (HORROR) a perfect looking repaint.(no runs, drips, overpaint or spray just too brown) He felt excellent was too strong a word given the repaint. Then he found out it didn't work properly. Now I'm not a guitar amp guy, but is it even possible for a 50 year old amp to work perfect after all this time without a rebuild ? Add in the fact that the guy demanded a partial refund and I got pissed. There's a tone you set when wallets are coming out and only the young and STUPID think testosterone helps the process. I told the guy I'd respond in a few days to cool off. He replied immediately letting me know the blame is all mine. Do I explain what "as is" means to the kid ? Do I ask him if he was colorblind when he viewed the pics ? Do I explain how amps age ? I'd take it back, but i tend to not trust people I don't like.Thanks for listening . Kinda funny a sold a R1617 speaker at the same time and lots of extra pics were required...sold for $168.... no extra pics on the guitar amp...sold for $328. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 10 09:35:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 10 09:37:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <992911.2426.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <757530.38519.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, I thought that eBay changed the procedure so that sellers could NOT leave neg feedback for buyers---?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/10/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 7:54 AM --- On Tue, 11/10/09, pat2355@aol.com wrote: > I told the guy I'd respond in a few days to cool > off. He replied immediately letting me know the blame is all > mine. Do I explain what "as is" means to the kid ? Do I ask > him if he was colorblind when he viewed the pics ? Do I > explain how amps age ? Do you have his address?? I'd write a calm, thorough letter explaining the significance of 1) "As Is", 2) Dealing in good faith, 3) The fact that you are only responsible for any deliberate misrepresentation in your discription, 4) That you offered no warrantee of merchantability (refer back to #1), and send it through certfied mail with a return receipt. At that point you've done all you can.? You can either knuckle under to his demands (although it sounds like, untilately, it will be impossible to avoid some type of negative feedback from him), or you can just accept the fact that he's a jerk and there's nothing you can do about it except leave equally negative (albeit truthful) feedback about him.? If I'm buying something from someone on Ebay, and they have all glowing reviews except for one, I always disregard the exception.? (I have one like that myself; I'm convinced they guy was psychotic.)? There's no pleasing some people. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 10 09:43:29 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 10 09:45:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <8CC3040800F6EA8-45F0-142D8@webmail-m065.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <752329.76799.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I represent that badly ! I never "mizuze langwitch" !!! Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/10/09, pat2355@aol.com wrote: From: pat2355@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 9:15 AM Mr Ron Rich, I don't know if you meant to bring a grin to my face, but I sure enjoy the language you misused. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:05 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic I'll check in on your side--"as-is" dobe, zactly, that---IMHO.? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/10/09, pat2355@aol.com wrote: From: pat2355@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 7:41 AM Vintage 1960's Silvertone Twin Twelve tube amp head I recently sold a 1960's? SIlvertone twin twelve guitar amp on ebay. When I hooked it up to a phono and speaker it amplified, but since I never rebuilt it I sold it as is. Finish looked great, no rust on chassis, & no rust on transformers. According to the seller the perfect looking paint is (HORROR) a perfect looking repaint.(no runs, drips, overpaint or spray just too brown) He felt excellent was too strong a word given the repaint. Then he found out it didn't work properly. Now I'm not a guitar amp guy, but is it even possible for a 50 year old amp to work perfect after all this time without a rebuild ? Add in the fact that the guy demanded a partial refund and? I got pissed. There's a tone you set when wallets are coming out and only the young and STUPID think testosterone helps the process. I told the guy I'd respond in a few days to cool off. He replied immediately letting me know the blame is all mine. Do I explain what "as is" means to the kid ? Do I ask him if he was colorblind when he viewed the pics ? Do I explain how amps age ? I'd take it back, but i tend to not trust people I don't like.Thanks for listening . Kinda funny a sold a R1617 speaker at the same time and lots of extra pics were required...sold for $168.... no extra pics on the guitar amp...sold for $328. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ksherwin at execpc.com Tue Nov 10 09:48:36 2009 From: ksherwin at execpc.com (Karl Sherwin) Date: Tue Nov 10 09:50:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic References: <8CC30336C77B747-1068-32A7@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <007c01ca622e$080fc7b0$6501a8c0@KARL> Hi Pat, I've bought and sold a lot of electronic stuff on ebay, most of it 60's tube equipment. As a buyer, when I see "mint" it means "average", "working" means turns on, plays, if that; "as-is" means there's something wrong. I've gotten burned many times to know how to read other's listings. I also look at their feedback and if its glowing, that's good. But if the responses are luke warm but still positive, its a warning. Most people would give positive feedback so they would get positive in return. That was before ebay changed their policy recently. As a seller, I detail the working condition, cosmetics, with a lot of pictures. If there's a problem, I make note of it. I don't say "as-is" either. In the end I may not get the absolute highest for an item, but virtually all my buyers were very pleased with the item. In the 2 cases where I had an incident like yours, I offered a full refund including shipping. Turns out, both were whiners and wanted the item, so all I had to do was refund a partial amount, about 10% of the sale price. There are those couple of bad apples that what the item, but want it cheaper than what they paid for it, so they will find any excuse to complain. I would suggest having him send it back, for a full refund. As Jim said, you can always resell it - maybe take a little less, but sometimes you'll do better. My 2 cents... Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Vintage 1960's Silvertone Twin Twelve tube amp head I recently sold a 1960's SIlvertone twin twelve guitar amp on ebay. When I hooked it up to a phono and speaker it amplified, but since I never rebuilt it I sold it as is. Finish looked great, no rust on chassis, & no rust on transformers. According to the seller the perfect looking paint is (HORROR) a perfect looking repaint.(no runs, drips, overpaint or spray just too brown) He felt excellent was too strong a word given the repaint. Then he found out it didn't work properly. Now I'm not a guitar amp guy, but is it even possible for a 50 year old amp to work perfect after all this time without a rebuild ? Add in the fact that the guy demanded a partial refund and I got pissed. There's a tone you set when wallets are coming out and only the young and STUPID think testosterone helps the process. I told the guy I'd respond in a few days to cool off. He replied immediately letting me know the blame is all mine. Do I explain what "as is" means to the kid ? Do I ask him if he was colorblind when he viewed the pics ? Do I explain how amps age ? I'd take it back, but i tend to not trust people I don't like.Thanks for listening . Kinda funny a sold a R1617 speaker at the same time and lots of extra pics were required...sold for $168.... no extra pics on the guitar amp...sold for $328. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ksherwin at execpc.com Tue Nov 10 10:00:47 2009 From: ksherwin at execpc.com (Karl Sherwin) Date: Tue Nov 10 10:02:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Moving an AMI F-120 Message-ID: <008901ca622f$bb40c6d0$6501a8c0@KARL> Hi, I want to move an AMI F-120 from a friend's house to mine, about 120 miles away. I'm not that familiar with AMI's but I'm assuming the changer mechanism can be bolted down, along with the tone arm. I have a van but would have to borrow a pickup - Do I dare transport it on its back? Or would it be best to keep it upright? I moved my W1900 years ago on its back, but the entire mechanism was out, and I padded the dome glass. My guess is the safest approach would be to keep it upright, but thought I'd ask. Are there other items I should remove or secure? The machine is in good condition, not a parts unit, so I don't want to damage it. Thanks, Karl From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 10:10:00 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Tue Nov 10 10:11:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox CD player's In-Reply-To: <6F9DD22DB5BF40AA8EFA1D3E5CC7C7B4@dennis1cb9fd78> References: <6F9DD22DB5BF40AA8EFA1D3E5CC7C7B4@dennis1cb9fd78> Message-ID: Dennis, I have a player from a Pioneer I parted out 8 or 9 months ago. I tested it by playing an album just prior to dismantling the juke, and found it to be in working order with the exception that it skipped 3 or 4 times. But then again, it was barely above 20 degrees outside when I tested it, so that probably had something to do with that. If you are interested, contact me off-list with an offer... :) Thomas On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Dennis and Sue wrote: > HI- well I had fun yesterday getting the jukebox opened up, and playing on > the 1st cd player, but today I loaded the 2nd and 3rd players in it, and > they dont work. > > 2nd unit made a lot of noise, and stalled. Took the cover off of it, and > found the cd motor/laser asy just laying loose in the carrage. found the > missing screws laying around inside the box, remounted the asy, but it dosnt > spin up to speed, and sounds like the motor is rubbing somthing when it trys > to spin a cd.. > > Have not opened up the 3rd player yet to see what is screaming in there . > :-( > > Guess I was luck to get the 1st cd player working at all. > > I think I would like to get some spare cd players, any one know where I > might find them , or just a replacment cd drive or 2 ?? > > > Thanks-Dennis. > > > Jukeboxdenny > . > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From pat2355 at aol.com Tue Nov 10 10:49:50 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 10 10:51:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <007c01ca622e$080fc7b0$6501a8c0@KARL> References: <8CC30336C77B747-1068-32A7@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com> <007c01ca622e$080fc7b0$6501a8c0@KARL> Message-ID: <8CC304DB74B4F23-31AC-493@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com> Ok Karl, The only problem I have as as an ex-postal worker that cringes when anything fragile gets shipped. I initially thought I'd just offer to take it back and we'd both pay our own shipping, but imagine the complications if he doesn't package it as well as I did. I won't trust someone who's done nothing else right to start now. If you looked at the link and saw the pics, he got exactly what he paid for. BTW Why would I give refund his shipping ??? Pat -----Original Message----- From: Karl Sherwin To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:48 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Hi Pat, I've bought and sold a lot of electronic stuff on ebay, most of it 60's tube equipment. As a buyer, when I see "mint" it means "average", "working" means turns on, plays, if that; "as-is" means there's something wrong. I've gotten burned many times to know how to read other's listings. I also look at their feedback and if its glowing, that's good. But if the responses are luke warm but still positive, its a warning. Most people would give positive feedback so they would get positive in return. That was before ebay changed their policy recently. As a seller, I detail the working condition, cosmetics, with a lot of pictures. If there's a problem, I make note of it. I don't say "as-is" either. In the end I may not get the absolute highest for an item, but virtually all my buyers were very pleased with the item. In the 2 cases where I had an incident like yours, I offered a full refund including shipping. Turns out, both were whiners and wanted the item, so all I had to do was refund a partial amount, about 10% of the sale price. There are those couple of bad apples that what the item, but want it cheaper than what they paid for it, so they will find any excuse to complain. I would suggest having him send it back, for a full refund. As Jim said, you can always resell it - maybe take a little less, but sometimes you'll do better. My 2 cents... Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Vintage 1960's Silvertone Twin Twelve tube amp head I recently sold a 1960's SIlvertone twin twelve guitar amp on ebay. When I hooked it up to a phono and speaker it amplified, but since I never rebuilt it I sold it as is. Finish looked great, no rust on chassis, & no rust on transformers. According to the seller the perfect looking paint is (HORROR) a perfect looking repaint.(no runs, drips, overpaint or spray just too brown) He felt excellent was too strong a word given the repaint. Then he found out it didn't work properly. Now I'm not a guitar amp guy, but is it even possible for a 50 year old amp to work perfect after all this time without a rebuild ? Add in the fact that the guy demanded a partial refund and I got pissed. There's a tone you set when wallets are coming out and only the young and STUPID think testosterone helps the process. I told the guy I'd respond in a few days to cool off. He replied immediately letting me know the blame is all mine. Do I explain what "as is" means to the kid ? Do I ask him if he was colorblind when he viewed the pics ? Do I explain how amps age ? I'd take it back, but i tend to not trust people I don't like.Thanks for listening . Kinda funny a sold a R1617 speaker at the same time and lots of extra pics were required...sold for $168.... no extra pics on the guitar amp...sold for $328. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From steve at pro-ns.net Tue Nov 10 11:00:02 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Tue Nov 10 11:01:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Moving an AMI F-120 In-Reply-To: <008901ca622f$bb40c6d0$6501a8c0@KARL> References: <008901ca622f$bb40c6d0$6501a8c0@KARL> Message-ID: <20091110190002.GR18866@pro-ns.net> I transported my F120 on its back when I first got it. I probably wouldn't do it again, as the mech was NOT bolted down, and it caused some cosmetic dammage to the "wallpaper" behind the mechanism, and I was lucky it didn't cause much worse. I suppose the order of preference would be: 1. Upright, mech bolted down. 2. Upright 3. On back with mech removed. 4. On back with mech bolted down. If you're going to put it on its back, check the amp compartment to make sure the amp and other things in that area are securely bolted down as well. I found out much later my amp wasn't held in by nearly as much as I thought it was (I think one bolt was actually holding it). I guess that's not a bad idea even if you don't put it on its back. --> Steve On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:00:47PM -0600, Karl Sherwin wrote: > Hi, > > I want to move an AMI F-120 from a friend's house to mine, about 120 miles away. I'm not that familiar with AMI's but I'm assuming the changer mechanism can be bolted down, along with the tone arm. I have a van but would have to borrow a pickup - Do I dare transport it on its back? Or would it be best to keep it upright? I moved my W1900 years ago on its back, but the entire mechanism was out, and I padded the dome glass. My guess is the safest approach would be to keep it upright, but thought I'd ask. Are there other items I should remove or secure? The machine is in good condition, not a parts unit, so I don't want to damage it. > > Thanks, > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Nov 10 11:21:17 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Tue Nov 10 11:22:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <376025276.883171257876892259.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <183250807.915591257880877503.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Actually, its the other away around. Sellers cannot leave negative feedback for Buyers. I think EBay did this to help curb the negative for negative responses that sometimes get left for each other. As Ron Rich would say.....IMHO.....this is crap. Sometimes buyers do not hold up their end of the deal. They are slow to pay; if at all. They don't respond to repeated communication attempts, THEN have the audacity to complain when the item is not LIKE NEW. I have also heard the star ratings really have a negative impact on Sellers if anything less that 5 is left. It is definately a Buyers market. Then some sellers like to charge STUPID shipping prices to make up for the low start price of an item to save a nickel. I think $5.00 to ship a single 45 and $1.00, or even .$50 per additional is gouging. Issue is....shipping charges are stated up front. People that gouge for shipping should NEVER get close to 5 stars. sorry.....to vent.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:35:35 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic David, I thought that eBay changed the procedure so that sellers could NOT leave neg feedback for buyers---? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/10/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 7:54 AM --- On Tue, 11/10/09, pat2355@aol.com wrote: > I told the guy I'd respond in a few days to cool > off. He replied immediately letting me know the blame is all > mine. Do I explain what "as is" means to the kid ? Do I ask > him if he was colorblind when he viewed the pics ? Do I > explain how amps age ? Do you have his address? I'd write a calm, thorough letter explaining the significance of 1) "As Is", 2) Dealing in good faith, 3) The fact that you are only responsible for any deliberate misrepresentation in your discription, 4) That you offered no warrantee of merchantability (refer back to #1), and send it through certfied mail with a return receipt. At that point you've done all you can. You can either knuckle under to his demands (although it sounds like, untilately, it will be impossible to avoid some type of negative feedback from him), or you can just accept the fact that he's a jerk and there's nothing you can do about it except leave equally negative (albeit truthful) feedback about him. If I'm buying something from someone on Ebay, and they have all glowing reviews except for one, I always disregard the exception. (I have one like that myself; I'm convinced they guy was psychotic.) There's no pleasing some people. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ksherwin at execpc.com Tue Nov 10 11:21:33 2009 From: ksherwin at execpc.com (Karl Sherwin) Date: Tue Nov 10 11:23:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic References: <8CC30336C77B747-1068-32A7@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com><007c01ca622e$080fc7b0$6501a8c0@KARL> <8CC304DB74B4F23-31AC-493@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00b901ca623b$03c22c90$6501a8c0@KARL> Hi Pat, I hear you... When I would offer a full refund with shipping, it was with the stipulation that he use the original packing. I agree, the buyer could make matters worse. My reasoning for the refund with shipping was that 1) I wouldn't have many of them, and 2) in the grand scheme, what I lose on this one would be made up on others. I haven't looked at the link, but will. Thanks, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Ok Karl, The only problem I have as as an ex-postal worker that cringes when anything fragile gets shipped. I initially thought I'd just offer to take it back and we'd both pay our own shipping, but imagine the complications if he doesn't package it as well as I did. I won't trust someone who's done nothing else right to start now. If you looked at the link and saw the pics, he got exactly what he paid for. BTW Why would I give refund his shipping ??? Pat -----Original Message----- From: Karl Sherwin To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:48 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Hi Pat, I've bought and sold a lot of electronic stuff on ebay, most of it 60's tube equipment. As a buyer, when I see "mint" it means "average", "working" means turns on, plays, if that; "as-is" means there's something wrong. I've gotten burned many times to know how to read other's listings. I also look at their feedback and if its glowing, that's good. But if the responses are luke warm but still positive, its a warning. Most people would give positive feedback so they would get positive in return. That was before ebay changed their policy recently. As a seller, I detail the working condition, cosmetics, with a lot of pictures. If there's a problem, I make note of it. I don't say "as-is" either. In the end I may not get the absolute highest for an item, but virtually all my buyers were very pleased with the item. In the 2 cases where I had an incident like yours, I offered a full refund including shipping. Turns out, both were whiners and wanted the item, so all I had to do was refund a partial amount, about 10% of the sale price. There are those couple of bad apples that what the item, but want it cheaper than what they paid for it, so they will find any excuse to complain. I would suggest having him send it back, for a full refund. As Jim said, you can always resell it - maybe take a little less, but sometimes you'll do better. My 2 cents... Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Vintage 1960's Silvertone Twin Twelve tube amp head I recently sold a 1960's SIlvertone twin twelve guitar amp on ebay. When I hooked it up to a phono and speaker it amplified, but since I never rebuilt it I sold it as is. Finish looked great, no rust on chassis, & no rust on transformers. According to the seller the perfect looking paint is (HORROR) a perfect looking repaint.(no runs, drips, overpaint or spray just too brown) He felt excellent was too strong a word given the repaint. Then he found out it didn't work properly. Now I'm not a guitar amp guy, but is it even possible for a 50 year old amp to work perfect after all this time without a rebuild ? Add in the fact that the guy demanded a partial refund and I got pissed. There's a tone you set when wallets are coming out and only the young and STUPID think testosterone helps the process. I told the guy I'd respond in a few days to cool off. He replied immediately letting me know the blame is all mine. Do I explain what "as is" means to the kid ? Do I ask him if he was colorblind when he viewed the pics ? Do I explain how amps age ? I'd take it back, but i tend to not trust people I don't like.Thanks for listening . Kinda funny a sold a R1617 speaker at the same time and lots of extra pics were required...sold for $168.... no extra pics on the guitar amp...sold for $328. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ksherwin at execpc.com Tue Nov 10 11:24:12 2009 From: ksherwin at execpc.com (Karl Sherwin) Date: Tue Nov 10 11:25:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Moving an AMI F-120 References: <008901ca622f$bb40c6d0$6501a8c0@KARL> <20091110190002.GR18866@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <00bd01ca623b$6248c850$6501a8c0@KARL> Thanks Steve! Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Wahl" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Moving an AMI F-120 >I transported my F120 on its back when I first got it. I probably > wouldn't do it again, as the mech was NOT bolted down, and it caused > some cosmetic dammage to the "wallpaper" behind the mechanism, and I > was lucky it didn't cause much worse. > > I suppose the order of preference would be: > > 1. Upright, mech bolted down. > > 2. Upright > > 3. On back with mech removed. > > 4. On back with mech bolted down. > > If you're going to put it on its back, check the amp compartment to > make sure the amp and other things in that area are securely bolted > down as well. I found out much later my amp wasn't held in by nearly > as much as I thought it was (I think one bolt was actually holding > it). > > I guess that's not a bad idea even if you don't put it on its back. > > --> Steve > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:00:47PM -0600, Karl Sherwin wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I want to move an AMI F-120 from a friend's house to mine, about 120 >> miles away. I'm not that familiar with AMI's but I'm assuming the changer >> mechanism can be bolted down, along with the tone arm. I have a van but >> would have to borrow a pickup - Do I dare transport it on its back? Or >> would it be best to keep it upright? I moved my W1900 years ago on its >> back, but the entire mechanism was out, and I padded the dome glass. My >> guess is the safest approach would be to keep it upright, but thought I'd >> ask. Are there other items I should remove or secure? The machine is in >> good condition, not a parts unit, so I don't want to damage it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Karl >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > -- Henry Spencer > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Nov 10 11:31:17 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Nov 10 11:32:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <757530.38519.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <349596.99612.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Ron Rich wrote: > David, > I thought that eBay changed the procedure so that sellers > could NOT leave neg feedback for buyers---? Ron Rich Could be. I only buy something on ebay maybe every couple months or so, and have never bothered to jump through all the hoops required to sell anything. I had a seller leave me waiting over three months for something to be shipped, then he left negative feedback for me saying he'd shipped it three times. How do you ship the same thing three times? Then he sent me a hurt letter asking how I could be so impatient and cruel, knowing that his wife was dieing of cancer. How would I know that?! Anyway, like I said, I think he was mentally unstable. HE had a strange feedback record. 90% "AAAAA+++++++++!!!!!!" type comments, and 10% people saying he was a fraud. (Ever since that, I *always* check someone's negatives before I bid on something). Either he had a lot of fake sales to shills, or he was bipolar, or something. Of course, I got ZERO help from Ebay or PayPal. My loathing of PayPal knows no bounds. I only use it under duress. From pinplayers at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 12:07:24 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Tue Nov 10 12:09:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Wallmount CD Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911101207x4dd7800bt16ebbbba8e8a81b0@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have experience or opinion on the Rock-Ola Lyric CD Wall mount Juke. I have an opportunity to purchase one but I would have to ship it and buy site unseen. I've been looking for a wall mount CD juke for sometime and this one is quit unique I really like the looks of it and the mech operation. Comments on sound quality reliability value would be appreciated. I've try googling it without much success not sure if they were a low production run or just to new (came out in 2002 I believe). Thanks Don... From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 10 12:32:47 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 10 12:36:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Message-ID: <20091110.153247.26894.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Pat; It sounds like you're dealing with the E Bay seller's worst nightmare. If it were me, the buyer would need to,in no uncertain terms, properly package the item and pay for return shipping in order to receive a payback from you. I would channel all comunications both through E Bay and hard copy by certified mail. With E Bay's current policies, the burden is on the seller to correct a disagreeable sale. People tend to weigh negative feedback from buyers heavily. Hope things work out well for you, James Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Phone System Price Quotes Compare phone system prices & save. Find the best deal & save today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-ZTWVVctcvgSQAiwItlhKwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAESLAz8AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIVMQAAAAA= From pat2355 at aol.com Tue Nov 10 12:47:36 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 10 12:49:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <20091110.153247.26894.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091110.153247.26894.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC305E2B7B66B8-8AD4-1748@webmail-m097.sysops.aol.com> The guy has good feedback, but in giving out feedback he's said the seller was willing to go the extra mile to make him happy. That makes me wonder if he used the system to better his costs..... Pat -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:32 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Pat; It sounds like you're dealing with the E Bay seller's worst nightmare. If it were me, the buyer would need to,in no uncertain terms, properly package the item and pay for return shipping in order to receive a payback from you. I would channel all comunications both through E Bay and hard copy by certified mail. With E Bay's current policies, the burden is on the seller to correct a disagreeable sale. People tend to weigh negative feedback from buyers heavily. Hope things work out well for you, James Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Phone System Price Quotes Compare phone system prices & save. Find the best deal & save today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-ZTWVVctcvgSQAiwItlhKwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAESLAz8AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIVMQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 10 13:30:55 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 10 13:32:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <183250807.915591257880877503.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <807707.88115.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> OK--Iz confuzed--ca anyone help me out ? I dono which way I came in--nor what I wrote ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/10/09, 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 11:21 AM Actually, its the other away around. Sellers cannot leave negative feedback for Buyers. I think EBay did this to help curb the negative for negative responses that sometimes get left for each other. As Ron Rich would say.....IMHO.....this is crap. Sometimes buyers do not hold up their end of the deal. They are slow to pay; if at all. They don't respond to repeated communication attempts, THEN have the audacity to complain when the item is not LIKE NEW. I have also heard the star ratings really have a negative impact on Sellers if anything less that 5 is left. It is definately a Buyers market. Then some sellers like to charge STUPID shipping prices to make up for the low start price of an item to save a nickel. I think $5.00 to ship a single 45 and $1.00, or even .$50 per additional is gouging. Issue is....shipping charges are stated up front. People that gouge for shipping should NEVER get close to 5 stars. sorry.....to vent.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:35:35 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic David, I thought that eBay changed the procedure so that sellers could NOT leave neg feedback for buyers---? Ron Rich From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 14:32:14 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Nov 10 14:33:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps Message-ID: <3154d3690911101432m7068cacdv9804e2d84e8e07d2@mail.gmail.com> > > I've said it a zillion times but nobody listens... 8=O Westley's Bleche-White tire cleaner is readily available on Walmart and other places (but good luck trying to find something as good in Europe). It cleans the grudge right off. Don't wet before, just spray an even coat, wait ten seconds and then flush or wipe off. 409 is ok, but does some bleaching, which can destroy a painted surface. And Westley's cleaner cleans better. Without bleaching. The only other cleaner I have tried that was as good was a citrus based cleaner, it was excellent. And environmental friendly, I thought, but then it was found to be carcinogenous! I have also tried some other cleaners that were recommended on this list but they weren't as good. We had a fire in the summer house and I used Westley's to clean some of the stuff - it even removes tar instantly - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPJ7LN5XD4k There, now I said it again. Westley's Bleche-White tire cleaner, for white wall tires. And jukeboxes. Jens From lavin at cheqnet.net Tue Nov 10 14:35:09 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Tue Nov 10 14:36:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox CD player's References: <6F9DD22DB5BF40AA8EFA1D3E5CC7C7B4@dennis1cb9fd78> Message-ID: <4A011F76E2454B9BBDCE31EB8EB80E3D@dennis1cb9fd78> HI Thomas. I will send you a email. I will be using my jukeboxdenny@ yahoo acct. to send it. Thanks-Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Teeter" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox CD player's > Dennis, I have a player from a Pioneer I parted out 8 or 9 months ago. I > tested it by playing an album just prior to dismantling the juke, and > found > it to be in working order with the exception that it skipped 3 or 4 times. > But then again, it was barely above 20 degrees outside when I tested it, > so > that probably had something to do with that. If you are interested, > contact > me off-list with an offer... :) > > Thomas > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Dennis and Sue wrote: > >> HI- well I had fun yesterday getting the jukebox opened up, and playing >> on >> the 1st cd player, but today I loaded the 2nd and 3rd players in it, and >> they dont work. >> >> 2nd unit made a lot of noise, and stalled. Took the cover off of it, and >> found the cd motor/laser asy just laying loose in the carrage. found the >> missing screws laying around inside the box, remounted the asy, but it >> dosnt >> spin up to speed, and sounds like the motor is rubbing somthing when it >> trys >> to spin a cd.. >> >> Have not opened up the 3rd player yet to see what is screaming in there . >> :-( >> >> Guess I was luck to get the 1st cd player working at all. >> >> I think I would like to get some spare cd players, any one know where I >> might find them , or just a replacment cd drive or 2 ?? >> >> >> Thanks-Dennis. >> >> >> Jukeboxdenny >> . >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.704 / Virus Database: 270.14.59/2494 - Release Date: 11/10/09 01:38:00 From bobfav at cox.net Tue Nov 10 14:39:04 2009 From: bobfav at cox.net (Bob Favicchio) Date: Tue Nov 10 14:40:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Juke stuff and other collectibles for sale in time for holiday shopping Message-ID: <011601ca6256$9b890c40$d29b24c0$@net> Hi Guys and Gals With Jay's blessing, I am sending this out as an alternative to eBay in order to clean out some stuff. For the items I am selling, I have been watching the prices on eBay, and with the eBay and PayPal fees being so high, I thought I would estimate the eBay price, lower the price by 15% or MORE, and offer to my fellow jukers first. It just so happens that my job evaporated in August when the company I worked for went bankrupt, so I have time to do this, and wouldn't mind the money either. I do have almost 500 eBay transactions at 100% positive feedback, in case you wanted to know. Per the administrator, please respond with transaction-related correspondence off-list, email to BobFav@cox.net I am located in Cranston, RI 02921, if that helps with shipping questions. Also I have a lot of items besides what is listed already. Here is a link to my preliminary list, and I will add to it often over the next couple of weeks. If you are looking for something in the same genre as what I am listing, feel free to ask. Email and I will send you my phone number, if you prefer. Also have a great cache of Rock & Roll 78's, Big Band 78's and 1960's - 70's era 45's. NOS Vacuum tubes, more radios and a pretty good number of wallboxes. I will consider selling any of these items at this point. http://picasaweb.google.com/rfavicchio/Picasa?feat=directlink Thanks for looking Bob Favicchio Cranston, RI 02921 USA bobfav@cox.net From pinplayers at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 14:40:20 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Tue Nov 10 14:42:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps In-Reply-To: <3154d3690911101432m7068cacdv9804e2d84e8e07d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <3154d3690911101432m7068cacdv9804e2d84e8e07d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911101440n2830af86s7e17798d991abfa2@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the suggestion I'll give it a go... Just for clarification the Bleach white does not harm the silk sceening? Don. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > > > I've said it a zillion times but nobody listens... 8=O > > > Westley's Bleche-White tire cleaner is readily available on Walmart and > other places (but good luck trying to find something as good in Europe). > It cleans the grudge right off. Don't wet before, just spray an even coat, > wait ten seconds and then flush or wipe off. > > 409 is ok, but does some bleaching, which can destroy a painted surface. > And > Westley's cleaner cleans better. Without bleaching. > > The only other cleaner I have tried that was as good was a citrus based > cleaner, it was excellent. And environmental friendly, I thought, but then > it was found to be carcinogenous! > I have also tried some other cleaners that were recommended on this list > but > they weren't as good. > > We had a fire in the summer house and I used Westley's to clean some of the > stuff - it even removes tar instantly - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPJ7LN5XD4k > > There, now I said it again. Westley's Bleche-White tire cleaner, for white > wall tires. And jukeboxes. > > Jens > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 10 15:35:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 10 15:37:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps In-Reply-To: <3154d3690911101432m7068cacdv9804e2d84e8e07d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <508496.47712.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jens, That 'cause we are all deaf !! Thanks for saying it again-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:32 PM > > I've said it a zillion times but nobody listens...? 8=O Westley's Bleche-White tire cleaner is readily available on Walmart and other places (but good luck trying to find something as good in Europe). It cleans the grudge right off. Don't wet before, just spray an even coat, wait ten seconds and then flush or wipe off. 409 is ok, but does some bleaching, which can destroy a painted surface. And Westley's cleaner cleans better. Without bleaching. The only other cleaner I have tried that was as good was a citrus based cleaner, it was excellent. And environmental friendly, I thought, but then it was found to be carcinogenous! I have also tried some other cleaners that were recommended on this list but they weren't as good. We had a fire in the summer house and I used Westley's to clean some of the stuff - it even removes tar instantly - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPJ7LN5XD4k There, now I said it again. Westley's Bleche-White tire cleaner, for white wall tires. And jukeboxes. ???Jens _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Nov 10 16:06:33 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Tue Nov 10 16:08:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <807707.88115.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <183250807.915591257880877503.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <807707.88115.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5FCB0DC615384895B7606DD4972B800E@p4> Just using your euphemism Ron. Not trying to put words in your mouth. I think its crap...you might as well, but will leave that for you to say. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:31 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic OK--Iz confuzed--ca anyone help me out ? I dono which way I came in--nor what I wrote ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/10/09, 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 11:21 AM Actually, its the other away around. Sellers cannot leave negative feedback for Buyers. I think EBay did this to help curb the negative for negative responses that sometimes get left for each other. As Ron Rich would say.....IMHO.....this is crap. Sometimes buyers do not hold up their end of the deal. They are slow to pay; if at all. They don't respond to repeated communication attempts, THEN have the audacity to complain when the item is not LIKE NEW. I have also heard the star ratings really have a negative impact on Sellers if anything less that 5 is left. It is definately a Buyers market. Then some sellers like to charge STUPID shipping prices to make up for the low start price of an item to save a nickel. I think $5.00 to ship a single 45 and $1.00, or even .$50 per additional is gouging. Issue is....shipping charges are stated up front. People that gouge for shipping should NEVER get close to 5 stars. sorry.....to vent.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:35:35 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic David, I thought that eBay changed the procedure so that sellers could NOT leave neg feedback for buyers---? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinplayers at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 16:14:59 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Tue Nov 10 16:16:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola CD Wallbox Lyric Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911101614w7d6a0f93s748f8a4b5e3341c4@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have an opinion on this wallbox. I have a chance to pick one up but its several states away and will need to be shipped. So I would be purchasing sight unseen and I've never heard or saw one up close. But have been looking for a wallbox and this one really grabbed my eye. Anyone know how they sound? Reliability, Parts availability? etc... I did try an google without much success. Not sure why there doesn't appear to be much info on this. I believe they came out in 2001 or 02. Thanks Don... From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Nov 10 17:26:48 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Nov 10 17:28:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps In-Reply-To: <3154d3690911101432m7068cacdv9804e2d84e8e07d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <614822.10458.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Jens Hultgren wrote: > The only other cleaner I have tried that was as good was a > citrus based > cleaner, it was excellent. And environmental friendly, I > thought, but then it was found to be carcinogenous! Eventually they will discover that exposure to laboratory conditions causes cancer. From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 10 17:59:47 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Nov 10 18:02:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection References: <7992707.1257814907157.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001701ca6272$a64b0a90$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Tony - just to clarify - there are some leaf switches on the left side of the titleboard that must be clean. But three of the leafs (leaves??) are for starting and stopping of the titleboard only. The other two are for charging up the capacitor inside the credit unit. This cap is discharged through the re-set coil when you make a selection. We know these are OK since you say you hear it pulse. Last night I mentioned the black microswitches nearby - these are what control the group relays inside the pinbank and if one or more were bad (or misadjusted), it could possibly explain your 1/3 - 2/3 scenario. As far as cleaning the keyboard switches, you can take them apart without special tools, but you must be careful. You need to remove titleboard assembly and then the keyboard switch assembly from the casting. The boards are held on by tiny metal tabs that are bent over - you can "unbend' them and remove the boards and switches, but the tabs can easily break when you go to bend them back on installation. A much easier method is to remove the assembly and use your favorite de-greaser and spray the whole thing down (separate from the titleboard assembly). Use a toothbrush to gently scrub from the top and work the buttons in and out many times. I use Steam Premium degreaser (at Pep Boys). Hose it down afterwards and put in front of a fan to dry overnight. Use common sense and wrap the harness and keep it dry as possible as you hose it down. Be careful supporting the wiring harness where it connects to the boards - you can easily break off tabs there. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russo" To: ; Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection > Thank you for the reply Jim. What do you mean "don't use a file to clean > them"! OMG! That is what I did! I used a small skinny hobby file to > clean away some thick green oxidized areas. Now I know for certain there > is good contact being made. > > Also, there are some contacts that you simply CANNOT reach. They are > located along the center of the contact board. It seems the button levers > and contacts are some sort of ancient chinese secret contraption! You > can't tear it down to clean, unless you have some sort of specialty tool > (I'm guessing), and/or drilling out some rivets! > > Tony > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Alexander > Sent: Nov 9, 2009 6:45 PM > To: russodue@earthlink.net, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection > > Tony: > > Here are a couple of quick things you can try as a last ditch effort > before taking apart the pinbank and cleaning it. > > First, per Jim Dirksen, clean the contacts of the leaf switches at the > left of the rotating title board. This is plausible explanation to your > 1/3 - 2/3 problem. Proper way to clean switch contacts is to wet a > thick rough piece of paper (like a business card) in contact cleaner (the > best one to buy is Caig Labs' De-Oxit, sold at electronics parts houses) > Run the paper in between the switch contacts, several times then repeat > with a dry piece of paper. > > Don't bend the contacts, press them together or use a file to clean them. > These may be a quick soilution now but will cause you more problems in the > long run. > > > Pin bank-- > > > Move each of the pins back and forth with your finger. You may find a few > of them that are sticking or are frozen in place. This problem usually > gets more chronic with pins at the bottom of the drum. > After that I suggest spraying 409 cleaner onto a toothbrush. Use the > toothbrush to gently scrub in between all the pins all the way around the > drum. > Next, using a 2nd toothbrush spray De Oxit contact cleaner (important: for > this job, don't use anything else!) onto the toothbrush and repeat the > process. Using the nozzle supplied with it, spray small amounts of De > Oxit into the individual pin windows. > > Removing & servicing the pinbank: > > For RockOla machines removal and cleaning of a pinbank is a tedious job, > even for an accomplished technician. > The "Murphy's Law" factor runs high as there are lots of little clips, > springs, contacts to line up, etc that need to be carefully watched for as > you open up the assembly. > Before attempting this, be sure you have the service manual, which will > describe the removal reassembly process of the pinbank from the mech. > Maybe Dr Know it All addresses the topic of cleaning pinbanks in one of > his RockOla repair books. > As an alternative, maybe a servicer like Vern Tisdale will disasemble and > clean the pinbank drum for you if you send it to him. Call and ask > first--he may be only doing Seeburg 100 pinbanks. > (web:www.verntisdale.com) > > JIm Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Home Owner Insurance > Save up to 50% on home insurance! Top carriers. Compare rates now. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=H_dWeKXvpd9eJbd4ZasdnAAAJ1HPgGjxwhdU0HG1ne_fYB23AAQAAAAFAAAAAMYqYj4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABV1JQAAAAA= > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Tue Nov 10 19:39:28 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Nov 10 19:41:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <349596.99612.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <349596.99612.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AFA31F0.1010603@west.net> Depending on circumstances it might be better for you to hold your ground if you feel the item was fairly described. EBay has an easy way to go to someone's feedback page and view "Feedback left for others". Check out this guy's feedback left for others. If you have a good feedback score and he is a chronic whiner, I'd take the negative and post a reply that the guy complains about everything he buys. In future auctions, perhaps reserve the right to refuse bids from buyers who leave excessive negatives. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 10 20:06:50 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 10 20:08:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps In-Reply-To: <614822.10458.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <866855.81504.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, I understand and agree with your point ! I could write all night long on this subject, but I shall only refer to my Hi School Poly Sci teacher, who's favorite expression was "follow the money"---Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/10/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:26 PM --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Jens Hultgren wrote: > The only other cleaner I have tried that was as good was a > citrus based > cleaner, it was excellent. And environmental friendly, I > thought, but then it was found to be carcinogenous! Eventually they will discover that exposure to laboratory conditions causes cancer. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 10 20:26:09 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 10 20:29:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Message-ID: <20091110.232609.21124.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Hello,Jay: That's good advice. I was unaware you could do that. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Medical Insurance Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=NzxWSOEaXX0A98Nib8nq6gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAJuxsz4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgBgAAAAA= From russodue at earthlink.net Tue Nov 10 18:54:47 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Wed Nov 11 04:53:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Message-ID: <21173623.1257908087529.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thank you for the reply Jim. 1) The credit unit is missing. 2) The titleboard spins nicely. It isn't like all other buttons. It consists of making a simple contact when pressed. Not sure of the terminology, but it is shaped like a V, when pressed, the two ends connect. 3) I've already dissasembled the keyboard switches. There are 3 boards (front,bottom) underneath the spinning titleboard. The buttons seem to be segregated. 40 buttons per side (titleboard) divided by 3 boards equals approximately one board per 13 buttons. For each button, there seems to be 3 points of contacts when a button is pressed. This must somehow work in conjunction to the 3 sided titleboard. If I decided to tear it apart (again, ugh), I will take pictures and post them. 4) Not sure I see where you mention "black microswitches" elsewhere. Tony -----Original Message----- From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Sent: Nov 10, 2009 7:59 PM To: Russo , Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Tony - just to clarify - there are some leaf switches on the left side of the titleboard that must be clean. But three of the leafs (leaves??) are for starting and stopping of the titleboard only. The other two are for charging up the capacitor inside the credit unit. This cap is discharged through the re-set coil when you make a selection. We know these are OK since you say you hear it pulse. Last night I mentioned the black microswitches nearby - these are what control the group relays inside the pinbank and if one or more were bad (or misadjusted), it could possibly explain your 1/3 - 2/3 scenario. As far as cleaning the keyboard switches, you can take them apart without special tools, but you must be careful. You need to remove titleboard assembly and then the keyboard switch assembly from the casting. The boards are held on by tiny metal tabs that are bent over - you can "unbend' them and remove the boards and switches, but the tabs can easily break when you go to bend them back on installation. A much easier method is to remove the assembly and use your favorite de-greaser and spray the whole thing down (separate from the titleboard assembly). Use a toothbrush to gently scrub from the top and work the buttons in and out many times. I use Steam Premium degreaser (at Pep Boys). Hose it down afterwards and put in front of a fan to dry overnight. Use common sense and wrap the harness and keep it dry as possible as you hose it down. Be careful supporting the wiring harness where it connects to the boards - you can easily break off tabs there. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russo" To: ; Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Thank you for the reply Jim. What do you mean "don't use a file to clean them"! OMG! That is what I did! I used a small skinny hobby file to clean away some thick green oxidized areas. Now I know for certain there is good contact being made. Also, there are some contacts that you simply CANNOT reach. They are located along the center of the contact board. It seems the button levers and contacts are some sort of ancient chinese secret contraption! You can't tear it down to clean, unless you have some sort of specialty tool (I'm guessing), and/or drilling out some rivets! Tony -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander Sent: Nov 9, 2009 6:45 PM To: russodue@earthlink.net, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1955 1448 Rock-Ola selection Tony: Here are a couple of quick things you can try as a last ditch effort before taking apart the pinbank and cleaning it. First, per Jim Dirksen, clean the contacts of the leaf switches at the left of the rotating title board. This is plausible explanation to your 1/3 - 2/3 problem. Proper way to clean switch contacts is to wet a thick rough piece of paper (like a business card) in contact cleaner (the best one to buy is Caig Labs' De-Oxit, sold at electronics parts houses) Run the paper in between the switch contacts, several times then repeat with a dry piece of paper. Don't bend the contacts, press them together or use a file to clean them. These may be a quick soilution now but will cause you more problems in the long run. Pin bank-- Move each of the pins back and forth with your finger. You may find a few of them that are sticking or are frozen in place. This problem usually gets more chronic with pins at the bottom of the drum. After that I suggest spraying 409 cleaner onto a toothbrush. Use the toothbrush to gently scrub in between all the pins all the way around the drum. Next, using a 2nd toothbrush spray De Oxit contact cleaner (important: for this job, don't use anything else!) onto the toothbrush and repeat the process. Using the nozzle supplied with it, spray small amounts of De Oxit into the individual pin windows. Removing & servicing the pinbank: For RockOla machines removal and cleaning of a pinbank is a tedious job, even for an accomplished technician. The "Murphy's Law" factor runs high as there are lots of little clips, springs, contacts to line up, etc that need to be carefully watched for as you open up the assembly. Before attempting this, be sure you have the service manual, which will describe the removal reassembly process of the pinbank from the mech. Maybe Dr Know it All addresses the topic of cleaning pinbanks in one of his RockOla repair books. As an alternative, maybe a servicer like Vern Tisdale will disasemble and clean the pinbank drum for you if you send it to him. Call and ask first--he may be only doing Seeburg 100 pinbanks. (web:www.verntisdale.com) JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Home Owner Insurance Save up to 50% on home insurance! Top carriers. Compare rates now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=H_dWeKXvpd9eJbd4ZasdnAAAJ1HPgGjxwhdU0HG1ne_fYB23AAQAAAAFAAAAAMYqYj4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABV1JQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Wed Nov 11 04:51:50 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 11 04:53:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola CD Wallbox Lyric In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e0911101614w7d6a0f93s748f8a4b5e3341c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cf1842e0911101614w7d6a0f93s748f8a4b5e3341c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC30E4DF2815AD-2F60-1E3E@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> Don This is just My personal thoughts, they are cool to look at neat to own, but not worth the pain to use. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Donald Whiting To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:14 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola CD Wallbox Lyric Anyone have an opinion on this wallbox. I have a chance to pick one up but ts several states away and will need to be shipped. So I would be urchasing sight unseen and I've never heard or saw one up close. But have een looking for a wallbox and this one really grabbed my eye. Anyone know ow they sound? Reliability, Parts availability? etc... I did try an google ithout much success. Not sure why there doesn't appear to be much info on his. I believe they came out in 2001 or 02. Thanks Don... ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinplayers at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 04:52:11 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Wed Nov 11 05:01:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Lyric CD Wallmount Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911110452g4df014b8gb339819397d76b56@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have an opinion on this wallbox. I have a chance to pick one up but its several states away and will need to be shipped. So I would be purchasing sight unseen and I've never heard or saw one up close. But have been looking for a wallbox and this one really grabbed my eye. Anyone know how they sound? Reliability, Parts availability? etc... I did try an google without much success. Not sure why there doesn't appear to be much info on this. I believe they came out in 2001 or 02. Thanks Don... From rellis2007 at aol.com Wed Nov 11 05:20:19 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 11 05:22:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <8CC30336C77B747-1068-32A7@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC30E8D9560FA5-2F60-22F0@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> AS IS Means AS IS, I wouldn't Let this guy take up any space in My brain. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: pat2355@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:41 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Vintage 1960's Silvertone Twin Twelve tube amp head I recently sold a 1960's SIlvertone twin twelve guitar amp on ebay. When I ooked it up to a phono and speaker it amplified, but since I never rebuilt it I old it as is. Finish looked great, no rust on chassis, & no rust on ransformers. According to the seller the perfect looking paint is (HORROR) a erfect looking repaint.(no runs, drips, overpaint or spray just too brown) He elt excellent was too strong a word given the repaint. Then he found out it idn't work properly. Now I'm not a guitar amp guy, but is it even possible for 50 year old amp to work perfect after all this time without a rebuild ? Add in he fact that the guy demanded a partial refund and I got pissed. There's a one you set when wallets are coming out and only the young and STUPID think estosterone helps the process. I told the guy I'd respond in a few days to cool ff. He replied immediately letting me know the blame is all mine. Do I explain hat "as is" means to the kid ? Do I ask him if he was colorblind when he viewed he pics ? Do I explain how amps age ? I'd take it back, but i tend to not trust eople I don't like.Thanks for listening . Kinda funny a sold a R1617 speaker at he same time and lots of extra pics were required...sold for $168.... no extra ics on the guitar amp...sold for $328. _______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dpenoff at mac.com Wed Nov 11 06:58:04 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Wed Nov 11 07:00:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Tone Arm Landing In-Reply-To: <94292935232911962526493282945318173888-Webmail@me.com> References: <94292935232911962526493282945318173888-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <138107834391953994144598225657567429659-Webmail@me.com> An update: As many suspected, there was another adjustment that needed to be made (thank goodness for service manuals!) The tone arm position adjustment was out of whack. This is the adjustment that positions the tone arm relative to the center pin on the turntable. Once I took the measurement and made the adjustment to spec (it was off about 1/4") the tone arm no longer "jumps" when it is landing. On a related note, the amp started humming loudly last night, darn it. I removed all external connections (except the speakers) and the hum still occurs. The third power transistor from the top (of the four TO-3 power transistors) was running rather hot as well. And this is with no input signal. If anyone has suggestions as to what I might look for I'm all ears. I've got one of Vern's cap kits for the amp, so I guess I need to jump into recapping the amp and then seeing what is going on after I do it. Dan From pinplayers at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 07:31:26 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Wed Nov 11 07:39:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola CD Wallbox Lyric In-Reply-To: <8CC30E4DF2815AD-2F60-1E3E@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> References: <8cf1842e0911101614w7d6a0f93s748f8a4b5e3341c4@mail.gmail.com> <8CC30E4DF2815AD-2F60-1E3E@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911110731l5767a4b4n7c77c7ce91768efe@mail.gmail.com> Doc thanks for your input could you expand on the pain to use part? On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:51 AM, wrote: > > Don > > This is just My personal thoughts, they are cool to look at neat to own, > but not worth the pain to use. > > doc ellis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Whiting > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:14 pm > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola CD Wallbox Lyric > > > > Anyone have an opinion on this wallbox. I have a chance to pick one up but > ts several states away and will need to be shipped. So I would be > urchasing sight unseen and I've never heard or saw one up close. But have > een looking for a wallbox and this one really grabbed my eye. Anyone know > ow they sound? Reliability, Parts availability? etc... I did try an google > ithout much success. Not sure why there doesn't appear to be much info on > his. I believe they came out in 2001 or 02. > Thanks Don... > ______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From maddleso at gmu.edu Wed Nov 11 07:38:06 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Wed Nov 11 07:39:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A question about measuring forces. Stump the chumps? In-Reply-To: <20091110200004.C8E11AAF48@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20091110200004.C8E11AAF48@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <3A54705D6A544087AEFBD3B2E4393885@Marksvaio> I've been turning this over in what is left of my mind for some time. Now it has bubbled to the top. It's for Ron, I think. My Seeburg manual mentions all kinds of forces/pressures in all kinds of units. 6 to 7 ounces here, 1 lb there, 65 grams min., etc, etc. Suppose a conscientious technician actually wanted to measure these. What instrument(s) would/did she use? Mark From dave.halford at telent.com Wed Nov 11 07:56:43 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Wed Nov 11 07:58:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A question about measuring forces. Stump the chumps? In-Reply-To: <3A54705D6A544087AEFBD3B2E4393885@Marksvaio> Message-ID: <20091111155651.31CC120EFEB@blade202.lb.inty.net> An 'I need to get a life ometer' probably regards Dave H "Mark Addleson" To Sent by: jukebox-list-boun cc ces@lists.netloji x.com Subject [Jukebox-list] A question about measuring forces. Stump the chumps? 11/11/2009 15:40 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list I've been turning this over in what is left of my mind for some time. Now it has bubbled to the top. It's for Ron, I think. My Seeburg manual mentions all kinds of forces/pressures in all kinds of units. 6 to 7 ounces here, 1 lb there, 65 grams min., etc, etc. Suppose a conscientious technician actually wanted to measure these. What instrument(s) would/did she use? Mark _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Nov 11 08:18:50 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Nov 11 08:21:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Tone Arm Landing Message-ID: <20091111.111850.7027.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Dan: Your W3860 should be equipped with the # 556 amplifier. The hum you are hearing is probably a shorted output transistor that will have to be replaced. Wurlitzer issued several tech bulletins outlining minor circuit changes that needed to be made in the field to improve the stability of these amplifiers. You may need to check to see whether your amp was ever updated. Possibly this might change the values of a few of the caps you need to install. There are several resistor values that need to be changed as well. If you go to John Robertson's website www.flippers.com, he's posted a tech help section there that covers the 556 amplifier modifications nicely. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Culinary Arts School Write your own Recipe for Success. Search Culinary Schools today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=P--Tm4mWc6n-JIYSDIo_BgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAM3MTD4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABNlkwAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 11 08:48:02 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 11 08:49:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A question about measuring forces. Stump the chumps? In-Reply-To: <3A54705D6A544087AEFBD3B2E4393885@Marksvaio> Message-ID: <54364.23615.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mark, A gram gage---"Google" it, and you will see many for sale--? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Mark Addleson wrote: From: Mark Addleson Subject: [Jukebox-list] A question about measuring forces. Stump the chumps? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 7:38 AM I've been turning this over in what is left of my mind for some time.? Now it has bubbled to the top.? It's for Ron, I think. My Seeburg manual mentions all kinds of forces/pressures in all kinds of units.? 6 to 7 ounces here, 1 lb there, 65 grams min., etc, etc. Suppose a conscientious technician actually wanted to measure these.? What instrument(s) would/did she use? Mark _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dpenoff at mac.com Wed Nov 11 09:21:59 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Wed Nov 11 09:24:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Tone Arm Landing In-Reply-To: <20091111.111850.7027.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091111.111850.7027.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <122957559551686298711021911218292994466-Webmail@me.com> Thanks for the information, Jim. In reviewing Vern's very detailed capacitor kit, he outlines a number of modifications that are done as a part of the "re-capping" process. I suspect that he has incorporated some of the changes into his instructions, from the looks of things.... Dan On Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 11:18AM, "James Alexander" wrote: > > >Dan: > >Your W3860 should be equipped with the # 556 amplifier. The hum you are hearing is probably a shorted output transistor that will have to be replaced. >Wurlitzer issued several tech bulletins outlining minor circuit changes that needed to be made in the field to improve the stability of these amplifiers. You may need to check to see whether your amp was ever updated. > >Possibly this might change the values of a few of the caps you need to install. There are several resistor values that need to be changed as well. > >If you go to John Robertson's website www.flippers.com, he's posted a tech help section there that covers the 556 amplifier modifications nicely. > >Jim Alexander From chisler at jps.net Sun Nov 8 08:28:14 2009 From: chisler at jps.net (Daniel Chisler) Date: Wed Nov 11 10:22:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re Ace lock Message-ID: <4AF6F19E.7060207@jps.net> I was a long time locksmith .Just hire a good locksmith to come over be sure he can do it before he comes . You pick the lock and make a key from the pick a no brainer for a good man . Don't do what some createn did to my 1446 rip half the side off to get in at the lock . From used6550 at cox.net Sun Nov 8 18:36:24 2009 From: used6550 at cox.net (used6550) Date: Wed Nov 11 10:23:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Concert 240 III (ES4) carriage alignment help Message-ID: Hello Jon, Did you ever fix your set-down problem ? Pete . . God Bless . . . . From dbschlag at att.net Mon Nov 9 11:15:48 2009 From: dbschlag at att.net (Bruce Schlag) Date: Wed Nov 11 10:23:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg lpc1/lpc480 speed control Message-ID: <000401ca6171$0bbbb490$23331db0$@net> I'm looking at your comments from a May 2005 response to someone's query dealing with the speed control issues of the LPC1 Seeburg. You suggest replacing the 33 1/3 gears with a 45 rpm set of gears. I've seen similar comments about replacing the gears in other blogs, but I haven't seen where anyone says where you can get the 45 rpm gears. Can you suggest a source for the gears? I have nothing but 45s to use in the jukebox, and it would take quite a bit to restore it for possible sale, so detracting from its value is not an issue with me. Thanks for any help you can provide. Bruce Schlag From susanregan at comcast.net Wed Nov 11 09:52:18 2009 From: susanregan at comcast.net (Susan Regan) Date: Wed Nov 11 10:23:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola mech cover In-Reply-To: CCED8E46-128E-4430-8498-16A386C592EB@jukebox-world.de Message-ID: <31AE11C068FF4358963E25D81765BD6C@SusanPC> Hi Piet, I am restoring a Tempo II and I am in need of a mech shroud. Could You possibly have one? Thanks John Regan From susanregan at comcast.net Wed Nov 11 09:49:50 2009 From: susanregan at comcast.net (Susan Regan) Date: Wed Nov 11 10:23:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud In-Reply-To: CCED8E46-128E-4430-8498-16A386C592EB@jukebox-world.de Message-ID: <7E5FA29622214459976CC2E455C9267B@SusanPC> Hello Piet, I am restoring a Tempo II and I am in need of a mech shroud. Could You possibly help me out? Or maybe You know somebody with one? I still have some rock ola castings and pinbanks if You may need something. Thanks John Regan From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Nov 11 12:37:09 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Nov 11 12:40:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg lpc1/lpc480 speed control Message-ID: <20091111.153709.27077.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Bruce, That's interesting because wasn't contributing to this forum in 2005. The Seeburg jukes of the mid 60's had a native speed of 33 1/3 RPM as Seeburg was anticipating a big change to the 7" compact 33's that never really caught on that much. I believe the models affected are the '63 through 66 models. Beginning with the SS-160 model Seeburg went back to a native 45 RPM speed. Seeburg used an auto-speed unit in the LPC-1 era machines that generated the 45 RPM speed. It worked by having an onboard oscillator ( I think 82 Hz) and a small amplifier that was switched onto the mech motor. The synchronous Seeburg motor latches onto the 60 Hz AC line frequency at the 33 RPM position. The LPC-1's are known for slowing down at 45 RPM if either the auto speed fails, or if the motor is mechanically dragging. The quick, conventional fixes for this are to make sure the motor and mech are well lubricated so everything spins freely. There is a large size "bathtub " style capacitor in the auto speed unit, which tends to go bad. Install a fresh motor-starting cap in this position. There are some other auto speed electronic mods that can be installed to allow an accurate 45 RPM. Making a gear and motor shaft change to a 45 PM model might be practical if you've got a 45 RPM parts-donor mech. on hand. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ One Up the Competition Earn your MBA from Post University. Free textbooks for new students! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=lKugtISOSTqMpR22IZ3UHgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAKRwnT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIhWQAAAAA= From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 11 12:38:04 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Wed Nov 11 12:46:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A news Message-ID: <70662.32744.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to the list archive I made the right decision and DID NOT bid on this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250524806481&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT ...or go to eBay and search for 250524806481. I want an "A" set up for 78rpm. It appears that trying to re-fit this box for 78s is a complete horror-show even if you CAN source the correct parts. Now, here's an "A" set up for 78rpm but oh boy! The price is a tad too dear, I'm afraid. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150372861355&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT ...or go to eBay and search for 150372861355 Seller started out at $6500 but has been re-listing this jewel dropping the price $100 or $200 each time.... still no takers. I'll be on the lookout at the Chicago Show this weekend... anybody out there going to be in attendance? All the best, Bob - Chicago From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 12:48:48 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Nov 11 12:50:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning early Seeburg Amps + a few other tidbits Message-ID: <3154d3690911111248u18da22f2jd0b683a88792ba93@mail.gmail.com> Regarding screen printing and painted surfaces, it may come off when using a cleaner if it is worn or brittle. Good thing about Westley's cleaner is that it works within ten seconds (after twenty seconds it has spent its power - enzymes?) and you don't need to use much water to rinse, you can just wipe it off with a wet rag, or gently shower it. And you don't need to brush or scrape or sand. It doesn't remove rust. Check it out... Since I am only reading the digest, I'll make some input on two other subjects Rockola pinbanks - from my limited experience, the early pinbanks can 'most always be made to work without disassembly, whereas they must be totally restored starting (I think) with the 1465 - the first mech they used the Seeburg style scan switch (Rockola always 'borrowed' a lot from the other guys didn't they). Seems the selector coils has less torque in the later machines, or maybe they changed the materials? Ebay - I would make all communication through ebay messages and not use direct email. About 1% of the users are hopeless to deal with, and this usually shows in the feedback so not much to worry about. As for Paypal, they actually went after a guy who bragged that he got away with my money - they took it all back from his account. Ebay is expensive, but where's the alternative? :( From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Nov 11 12:52:39 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Nov 11 12:56:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud Message-ID: <20091111.155239.27077.2@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> John: Many of these early 60's RockOla parts are not being replicated in the US,but are being made overseas either in Europe or England. Recently US supply house Victory Glass has added a number of new old RockOla parts to their inventory. You may want to check here to see if they have the Tempo mech shroud, etc that you're looking for. A few overseas resources you may want to check would be the Jukebox Man in England (web: www.thejukeboxman.com) Jukebox parts service in the Netherlands (web: www.jukeboxpartsservice.eu) or www.jukeboxrevival.nl. Another site I'm aware of is the Stamann's site www.jkebox-world.com. I believe they are located in Germany. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Dental Assistant Degree Earn a Degree in Dental Assisting. Find Schools and Apply today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=qAZsaaZRaBhqghDUnPKLBAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAADMzMz4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABNllgAAAAA= From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Wed Nov 11 13:10:09 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Wed Nov 11 13:12:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Concert 240 III (ES4) carriage alignment help References: Message-ID: <2695F8B683A1434D9594C0DE0553835C@DFLXW121> Pete, I sent my carriage to someone for adjustment and cleaning. It worked fine for several months, but is starting to drop the needle too far in on A-sides again. I suspect that the stiffness of the pickup wire is coming in to play. I haven't had the time to pull it apart and try more flexible wire though. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "used6550" To: Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:36 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Concert 240 III (ES4) carriage alignment help Hello Jon, Did you ever fix your set-down problem ? Pete . . God Bless . . . . _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pat2355 at aol.com Wed Nov 11 13:23:49 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 11 13:25:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <20091110.153247.26894.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091110.153247.26894.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC312C65302349-2588-506E@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> TO resolve the ebay problems I've been having. I offered to refund the $30 shipping figuring someone is already out that much and it wouldn't kill me, if it were me. I figured he might counter offer and my limit was going to be $50. His rant took off about the inadequate pics not showing the amp to be a refinished brown instead of black and the $30 not being enough to refinish the amp correctly. I'm waiting a few days...... and then asking why he expects to end up with brand new looking perfectly refinished 50 year old amp at my expense. Why didn't you request more pics if the finish is so important to you ? I also am sending him a link to MAN UP BITCH sportswear just as a dig. (Real business-a friend owns it !!! ) Lastly I'm asking what do you think "AS IS" means to the rest of the world. BTW If anyone is interested in the original emails I'd be happy to share on an individual basis. THE MORAL OF THIS STORY IS MAKE SURE YOUR EBAY ADD SAYS EVERYTHING LOUDLY ANYONE MIGHT WANT TO KNOW AND PRINT "AS IS" AS LARGE AS POSSIBLE> hahahahhaha Pat -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:32 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Pat; It sounds like you're dealing with the E Bay seller's worst nightmare. If it were me, the buyer would need to,in no uncertain terms, properly package the item and pay for return shipping in order to receive a payback from you. I would channel all comunications both through E Bay and hard copy by certified mail. With E Bay's current policies, the burden is on the seller to correct a disagreeable sale. People tend to weigh negative feedback from buyers heavily. Hope things work out well for you, James Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Phone System Price Quotes Compare phone system prices & save. Find the best deal & save today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-ZTWVVctcvgSQAiwItlhKwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAESLAz8AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIVMQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Nov 11 14:06:14 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Nov 11 14:09:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Message-ID: <20091111.170614.11722.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Pat: You never know what motivates some people. The wording that I've used when selling a piece of gear on EBay after your description and the selling points for the item. "Unit is sold in as-is condition with no warranty or guarantees implied. All sales final,no returns. Please email or contact the seller if you have questions/concerns prior to buying." Hope you can turn things your way, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Medical Billing Online Jump start your career with a Medical Billing & Coding Degree Online. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=7BfwUTtyl7A9QwWI5mQcVwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAAXXrT4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSJGQAAAAA= From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Nov 11 14:15:40 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Nov 11 14:17:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A news In-Reply-To: <70662.32744.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <113363.21491.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, NotarySojac wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250524806481&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > Now, here's an "A" set up for 78rpm but oh boy! The price > is a tad too dear, I'm afraid. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150372861355&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT It's a shame that you can't combine the cabinet from the first one with the mechanism from the second one. I'm surprised the seller didn't think of that - he'd come closer to justifying his starting price that way. I'd bet whoever paid that much for the 45 one was probably looking at the original finish on the cabinet with just such a project in mind. From Trollmasters at webtv.net Wed Nov 11 14:11:47 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Wed Nov 11 14:24:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lumiline Light bulbs Message-ID: <6428-4AFB36A3-943@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Does anyone have a good source for these anymore? I need the 17.75" long one for an old Seeburg Commander. I have tried Atlanta Light bulb co, , they say GE has discntinued them. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 11 15:38:45 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 11 15:40:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg lpc1/lpc480 speed control In-Reply-To: <000401ca6171$0bbbb490$23331db0$@net> Message-ID: <892865.16980.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bruce, If it were me, I would much prefer to repair the Autospeed--- However any of the usual suspects that sell used parts probably can fix you up-- jukeboxjunkyard@cox.net??? or,? durfee@jukeboxparts.com? or?? mffe@napanet.net Ron Rich --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Bruce Schlag wrote: From: Bruce Schlag Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg lpc1/lpc480 speed control To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 11:15 AM I'm looking at your comments from a May 2005 response to someone's query dealing with the speed control issues of the LPC1 Seeburg.? You suggest replacing the 33 1/3 gears with a 45 rpm set of gears.? I've seen similar comments about replacing the gears in other blogs, but I haven't seen where anyone says where you can get the 45 rpm gears.? Can you suggest a source for the gears?? I have nothing but 45s to use in the jukebox, and it would take quite a bit to restore it for possible sale, so detracting from its value is not an issue with me.? Thanks for any help you can provide. Bruce Schlag _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Nov 11 16:38:43 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Nov 11 16:40:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg lpc1/lpc480 speed control In-Reply-To: <892865.16980.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <892865.16980.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AFB5913.30506@west.net> On Mon, 11/9/09, Bruce Schlag wrote: > I'm looking at your comments from a May 2005 response to someone's query > dealing with the speed control issues of the LPC1 Seeburg. You suggest > replacing the 33 1/3 gears with a 45 rpm set of gears. I've seen similar > comments about replacing the gears in other blogs, but I haven't seen where > anyone says where you can get the 45 rpm gears. Can you suggest a source > for the gears? I have nothing but 45s to use in the jukebox, and it would > take quite a bit to restore it for possible sale, so detracting from its > value is not an issue with me. Thanks for any help you can provide. Any junk Seeburg mech from the B to the latest, other than the LPC series or any others that are native 33. Some of the European collectors on the list may also have spare gears left over from 50 Hz conversions. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From tcccjc at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 11 17:00:34 2009 From: tcccjc at sbcglobal.net (Anthony Clayton) Date: Wed Nov 11 17:09:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg lpc1/lpc480 speed control In-Reply-To: <000401ca6171$0bbbb490$23331db0$@net> Message-ID: <11070.68712.qm@web83808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> If you replace the capacitors in the speed controller mainly the silver?rectangle capacitors the smaller ones leak. --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Bruce Schlag wrote: From: Bruce Schlag Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg lpc1/lpc480 speed control To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:15 PM I'm looking at your comments from a May 2005 response to someone's query dealing with the speed control issues of the LPC1 Seeburg.? You suggest replacing the 33 1/3 gears with a 45 rpm set of gears.? I've seen similar comments about replacing the gears in other blogs, but I haven't seen where anyone says where you can get the 45 rpm gears.? Can you suggest a source for the gears?? I have nothing but 45s to use in the jukebox, and it would take quite a bit to restore it for possible sale, so detracting from its value is not an issue with me.? Thanks for any help you can provide. Bruce Schlag _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Wed Nov 11 17:20:42 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Wed Nov 11 17:22:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Power Distribution Plug Message-ID: Would anyone have a lead on a replacement "Miniature Socket" for a Rock-Ola 35885-A Power Distribution Unit. In layman's terms, it's a chassis mount 110v female plug for the cabinet lights. Mine broke. The plug is riveted into a rectangular hole in the chassis. These were used in many applications and should be available somewhere, but can't find them. The Rock-Ola number is 19272. Glen From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Nov 11 17:59:50 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Nov 11 18:01:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud References: <7E5FA29622214459976CC2E455C9267B@SusanPC> Message-ID: <005201ca633b$d1d70370$48944e18@compaq> John, Jukebox World has the mech shroud you are looking for. I have been talking to Oliver and Hildegard ( owners ) and they are very nice people. I will be buying a mech shoud ( dress cap ) from them soon myself. https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s34665813.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn;jsessionid=154ae49360c8c40/shopdata/0020_Ersatzteile+=28jukebox+parts=29+-+USA/product_overview.shopscript Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Regan" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud Hello Piet, I am restoring a Tempo II and I am in need of a mech shroud. Could You possibly help me out? Or maybe You know somebody with one? I still have some rock ola castings and pinbanks if You may need something. Thanks John Regan _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobfav at cox.net Wed Nov 11 18:03:48 2009 From: bobfav at cox.net (Bob Favicchio) Date: Wed Nov 11 18:05:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Blackhead Cartridges Message-ID: <02ea01ca633c$60369d60$20a3d820$@net> Hey gang - does anyone use the Seeburg blackhead cartridges from the early 50's? Didn't know whether I should throw them away or not. Also what about the blackhead for the M100A? Thanks Bob From pat2355 at aol.com Wed Nov 11 18:08:57 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 11 18:10:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud In-Reply-To: <005201ca633b$d1d70370$48944e18@compaq> References: <7E5FA29622214459976CC2E455C9267B@SusanPC> <005201ca633b$d1d70370$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: <8CC31543A1171C4-69C8-A960@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> 1960: 1485 Tempo II 200 As long as we're on the topic here's my baby on the page bottom, so if you folks have any pic needs or...Pat -----Original Message----- From: Joey McDonald To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud John, Jukebox World has the mech shroud you are looking for. I have been talking to Oliver and Hildegard ( owners ) and they are very nice people. I will be buying a mech shoud ( dress cap ) from them soon myself. https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s34665813.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn;jsessionid=154ae49360c8c40/shopdata/0020_Ersatzteile+=28jukebox+parts=29+-+USA/product_overview.shopscript Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Regan" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud Hello Piet, I am restoring a Tempo II and I am in need of a mech shroud. Could You possibly help me out? Or maybe You know somebody with one? I still have some rock ola castings and pinbanks if You may need something. Thanks John Regan _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Nov 11 18:13:01 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Nov 11 18:15:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud References: <7E5FA29622214459976CC2E455C9267B@SusanPC> <005201ca633b$d1d70370$48944e18@compaq> <8CC31543A1171C4-69C8-A960@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <009101ca633d$a952a100$48944e18@compaq> There was no link or picture attached Pat. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud 1960: 1485 Tempo II 200 As long as we're on the topic here's my baby on the page bottom, so if you folks have any pic needs or...Pat -----Original Message----- From: Joey McDonald To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud John, Jukebox World has the mech shroud you are looking for. I have been talking to Oliver and Hildegard ( owners ) and they are very nice people. I will be buying a mech shoud ( dress cap ) from them soon myself. https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s34665813.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn;jsessionid=154ae49360c8c40/shopdata/0020_Ersatzteile+=28jukebox+parts=29+-+USA/product_overview.shopscript Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Regan" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud Hello Piet, I am restoring a Tempo II and I am in need of a mech shroud. Could You possibly help me out? Or maybe You know somebody with one? I still have some rock ola castings and pinbanks if You may need something. Thanks John Regan _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pat2355 at aol.com Wed Nov 11 18:21:33 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 11 18:23:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud In-Reply-To: <009101ca633d$a952a100$48944e18@compaq> References: <7E5FA29622214459976CC2E455C9267B@SusanPC><005201ca633b$d1d70370$48944e18@compaq><8CC31543A1171C4-69C8-A960@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> <009101ca633d$a952a100$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: <8CC3155FCDFE8B6-69C8-AC24@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> 1960: 1485 Tempo II 200 -----Original Message----- From: Joey McDonald To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 6:13 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud There was no link or picture attached Pat. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud 1960: 1485 Tempo II 200 As long as we're on the topic here's my baby on the page bottom, so if you folks have any pic needs or...Pat -----Original Message----- From: Joey McDonald To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud John, Jukebox World has the mech shroud you are looking for. I have been talking to Oliver and Hildegard ( owners ) and they are very nice people. I will be buying a mech shoud ( dress cap ) from them soon myself. https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s34665813.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn;jsessionid=154ae49360c8c40/shopdata/0020_Ersatzteile+=28jukebox+parts=29+-+USA/product_overview.shopscript Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Regan" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud Hello Piet, I am restoring a Tempo II and I am in need of a mech shroud. Could You possibly help me out? Or maybe You know somebody with one? I still have some rock ola castings and pinbanks if You may need something. Thanks John Regan _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pat2355 at aol.com Wed Nov 11 18:24:19 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 11 18:26:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud In-Reply-To: <009101ca633d$a952a100$48944e18@compaq> References: <7E5FA29622214459976CC2E455C9267B@SusanPC><005201ca633b$d1d70370$48944e18@compaq><8CC31543A1171C4-69C8-A960@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> <009101ca633d$a952a100$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: <8CC31565FB2A7BA-69C8-ACE4@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> OK since that's not working search copy and paste and scroll to the bottom. Pat http://www.kuijs.net/rock-ola/1960_085_1485.htm -----Original Message----- From: Joey McDonald To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 6:13 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud There was no link or picture attached Pat. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud 1960: 1485 Tempo II 200 As long as we're on the topic here's my baby on the page bottom, so if you folks have any pic needs or...Pat -----Original Message----- From: Joey McDonald To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud John, Jukebox World has the mech shroud you are looking for. I have been talking to Oliver and Hildegard ( owners ) and they are very nice people. I will be buying a mech shoud ( dress cap ) from them soon myself. https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s34665813.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn;jsessionid=154ae49360c8c40/shopdata/0020_Ersatzteile+=28jukebox+parts=29+-+USA/product_overview.shopscript Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Regan" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud Hello Piet, I am restoring a Tempo II and I am in need of a mech shroud. Could You possibly help me out? Or maybe You know somebody with one? I still have some rock ola castings and pinbanks if You may need something. Thanks John Regan _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Wed Nov 11 18:46:55 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Nov 11 18:48:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Blackhead Cartridges In-Reply-To: <02ea01ca633c$60369d60$20a3d820$@net> References: <02ea01ca633c$60369d60$20a3d820$@net> Message-ID: <4AFB771F.4060706@telus.net> Bob Favicchio wrote: > Hey gang - does anyone use the Seeburg blackhead cartridges from the early > 50's? Didn't know whether I should throw them away or not. > > > > Also what about the blackhead for the M100A? > > > > Thanks > > > > Bob > Personally I'd hang onto them... If you are chucking the M100A blackhead you can send it to me - I'll pay the postage! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From dpenoff at mac.com Wed Nov 11 19:00:58 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Wed Nov 11 19:02:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <8CC312C65302349-2588-506E@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> References: <20091110.153247.26894.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> <8CC312C65302349-2588-506E@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Pat, I know that plenty of people have commented about this transaction, but in all honesty, as a long time eBay'er, your "sold as-is" statement in the auction is pretty much absolute. For those of us who have traded extensively on eBay, there has always been the one buyer who just simply could not be satisfied. I think you just have to leave it at "it was sold as-is and that is that." Trying to be a nice guy to a alleged psycho buyer will net you zero, not to mention a lot of hassle trying to be a nice guy. While not everything I have sold on eBay has been sold as-is, the items I have sold with that disclaimer were sold that way, period. No buyer's remorse, nada. It sounds harsh and cold, but hey! That's the way it is and it's the risk the buyer takes. If they're not willing to assume the risk they shouldn't bid on the item. Dan On Nov 11, 2009, at 4:23 PM, pat2355@aol.com wrote: > > TO resolve the ebay problems I've been having. I offered to refund the $30 shipping figuring someone is already out that much and it wouldn't kill me, if it were me. I figured he might counter offer and my limit was going to be $50. His rant took off about the inadequate pics not showing the amp to be a refinished brown instead of black and the $30 not being enough to refinish the amp correctly. I'm waiting a few days...... and then asking why he expects to end up with brand new looking perfectly refinished 50 year old amp at my expense. Why didn't you request more pics if the finish is so important to you ? I also am sending him a link to MAN UP BITCH sportswear just as a dig. (Real business-a friend owns it !!! ) Lastly I'm asking what do you think "AS IS" means to the rest of the world. BTW If anyone is interested in the original emails I'd be happy to share on an individual basis. THE MORAL OF THIS STORY IS MAKE SURE YOUR EBAY ADD SAYS EVERYTHING LOUDLY ANYONE MIGHT WANT TO KNOW AND PRINT "AS IS" AS LARGE AS POSSIBLE> hahahahhaha Pat > > From edbap at aol.com Wed Nov 11 19:18:32 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 11 19:20:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Blackhead Cartridges In-Reply-To: <4AFB771F.4060706@telus.net> References: <02ea01ca633c$60369d60$20a3d820$@net> <4AFB771F.4060706@telus.net> Message-ID: <8CC315DF2C9A722-178C-A70B@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> Amen to that! I just finished up a C with a blackhead, and it sounds great. Ed B, Kent, WA -----Original Message----- From: John Robertson To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Blackhead Cartridges Bob Favicchio wrote: > Hey gang - does anyone use the Seeburg blackhead cartridges from the early > 50's? Didn't know whether I should throw them away or not. > > > > Also what about the blackhead for the M100A? > > > > Thanks > > > > Bob > Personally I'd hang onto them... If you are chucking the M100A blackhead you can send it to me - I'll pay the postage! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pat2355 at aol.com Wed Nov 11 19:50:34 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 11 19:52:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: References: <20091110.153247.26894.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com><8CC312C65302349-2588-506E@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC31626C65EBC6-38B8-2876@webmail-m004.sysops.aol.com> I want to thank everyone that listened to my BS about the ebay amp transaction. I made him the offer $30 (woulda went to $50) or complain. After a couple days (I'm moving my paypal balance to my checking account sons advice BA in Finance) I'm going to invite him to leave whatever nasty feedback he feels necessary and move on. I'll also take the fine advice offered here about offering to answer any/all questions or sending multiple requested pics and making a firm point about where my selling responsibility ends. Thank you all.......ps Special thanks to Rich for his anger management story -----Original Message----- From: Dan Penoff To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Pat, I know that plenty of people have commented about this transaction, but in all honesty, as a long time eBay'er, your "sold as-is" statement in the auction is pretty much absolute. For those of us who have traded extensively on eBay, there has always been the one buyer who just simply could not be satisfied. I think you just have to leave it at "it was sold as-is and that is that." Trying to be a nice guy to a alleged psycho buyer will net you zero, not to mention a lot of hassle trying to be a nice guy. While not everything I have sold on eBay has been sold as-is, the items I have sold with that disclaimer were sold that way, period. No buyer's remorse, nada. It sounds harsh and cold, but hey! That's the way it is and it's the risk the buyer takes. If they're not willing to assume the risk they shouldn't bid on the item. Dan On Nov 11, 2009, at 4:23 PM, pat2355@aol.com wrote: > > TO resolve the ebay problems I've been having. I offered to refund the $30 shipping figuring someone is already out that much and it wouldn't kill me, if it were me. I figured he might counter offer and my limit was going to be $50. His rant took off about the inadequate pics not showing the amp to be a refinished brown instead of black and the $30 not being enough to refinish the amp correctly. I'm waiting a few days...... and then asking why he expects to end up with brand new looking perfectly refinished 50 year old amp at my expense. Why didn't you request more pics if the finish is so important to you ? I also am sending him a link to MAN UP BITCH sportswear just as a dig. (Real business-a friend owns it !!! ) Lastly I'm asking what do you think "AS IS" means to the rest of the world. BTW If anyone is interested in the original emails I'd be happy to share on an individual basis. THE MORAL OF THIS STORY IS MAKE SURE YOUR EBAY ADD SAYS EVERYTHING LOUDLY ANYONE MIGHT WANT TO KNOW AND PRINT "AS IS" AS LARGE AS POSSIBLE> hahahahhaha Pat > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Wed Nov 11 20:04:34 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Wed Nov 11 20:06:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Message-ID: Who posted the definition of "tact" a few weeks ago? Could have been used for the uninformed and inexperienced eBay buyer you have been dealing with. Could it have been Rompin Ron R.? Too bad he/she couldn't see some of these eMails...... Al ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed Nov 11 22:50:34 2009 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic I want to thank everyone that listened to my BS about the ebay amp transaction. I made him the offer $30 (woulda went to $50) or complain. After a couple days (I'm moving my paypal balance to my checking account sons advice BA in Finance) I'm going to invite him to leave whatever nasty feedback he feels necessary and move on. I'll also take the fine advice offered here about offering to answer any/all questions or sending multiple requested pics and making a firm point about where my selling responsibility ends. Thank you all.......ps Special thanks to Rich for his anger management story -----Original Message----- From: Dan Penoff To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Pat, I know that plenty of people have commented about this transaction, but in all honesty, as a long time eBay'er, your "sold as-is" statement in the auction is pretty much absolute. For those of us who have traded extensively on eBay, there has always been the one buyer who just simply could not be satisfied. I think you just have to leave it at "it was sold as-is and that is that." Trying to be a nice guy to a alleged psycho buyer will net you zero, not to mention a lot of hassle trying to be a nice guy. While not everything I have sold on eBay has been sold as-is, the items I have sold with that disclaimer were sold that way, period. No buyer's remorse, nada. It sounds harsh and cold, but hey! That's the way it is and it's the risk the buyer takes. If they're not willing to assume the risk they shouldn't bid on the item. Dan On Nov 11, 2009, at 4:23 PM, pat2355@aol.com wrote: > > TO resolve the ebay problems I've been having. I offered to refund the $30 shipping figuring someone is already out that much and it wouldn't kill me, if it were me. I figured he might counter offer and my limit was going to be $50. His rant took off about the inadequate pics not showing the amp to be a refinished brown instead of black and the $30 not being enough to refinish the amp correctly. I'm waiting a few days...... and then asking why he expects to end up with brand new looking perfectly refinished 50 year old amp at my expense. Why didn't you request more pics if the finish is so important to you ? I also am sending him a link to MAN UP BITCH sportswear just as a dig. (Real business-a friend owns it !!! ) Lastly I'm asking what do you think "AS IS" means to the rest of the world. BTW If anyone is interested in the original emails I'd be happy to share on an individual basis. THE MORAL OF THIS STORY IS MAKE SURE YOUR EBAY ADD SAYS EVERYTHING LOUDLY ANYONE MIGHT WANT TO KNOW AND PRINT "AS IS" AS LARGE AS POSSIBLE> hahahahhaha Pat > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Nov 11 20:12:38 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Nov 11 20:14:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Power Distribution Plug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AFB8B36.1080203@west.net> Glen Pitts wrote: > Would anyone have a lead on a replacement "Miniature Socket" for a Rock-Ola 35885-A Power Distribution Unit. In layman's terms, it's a chassis mount 110v female plug for the cabinet lights. Mine broke. The plug is riveted into a rectangular hole in the chassis. These were used in many applications and should be available somewhere, but can't find them. The Rock-Ola number is 19272. Glen Like this? http://tinyurl.com/yl8oqdn -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From gsbuck1 at shaw.ca Wed Nov 11 20:29:22 2009 From: gsbuck1 at shaw.ca (gordie Buck) Date: Wed Nov 11 20:36:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE rowe 84 Message-ID: <8920F9B1EA094D2B9E690D969BE94521@gordons> hi can some one help me i have abig problem with my coin co my machine is a march 1980 it has been parked for 21 years and it will not take the new canadian coins they just come back down the reject chute is there any way to fix this thank you one new juker in coin trouble aka gsbuck1 From pinball at telus.net Wed Nov 11 20:44:37 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Nov 11 20:46:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE rowe 84 In-Reply-To: <8920F9B1EA094D2B9E690D969BE94521@gordons> References: <8920F9B1EA094D2B9E690D969BE94521@gordons> Message-ID: <4AFB92B5.7020703@telus.net> gordie Buck wrote: > hi can some one help me i have abig problem with my coin co my machine is a march 1980 it has been parked for 21 years and it will not take the new canadian coins they just come back down the reject chute is there any way to fix this thank you one new juker in coin trouble aka gsbuck1 > > Hi Gordie, Check that the 25c cradle is pivots freely - it uses a silicon based oil only, then open the mechanism (the section that the reject lever starts to open) and look for a tiny flat spring like device that will be in the lower right corner - this catches the serrated edge of Canadian quarters and kicks them to the left to the accept slot. If it is gummed up, bent, etc. that could be your problem. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From gsbuck1 at shaw.ca Wed Nov 11 21:43:11 2009 From: gsbuck1 at shaw.ca (gordie Buck) Date: Wed Nov 11 21:44:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE rowe 84 References: <8920F9B1EA094D2B9E690D969BE94521@gordons> <4AFB92B5.7020703@telus.net> Message-ID: <0F9F9B10818F487591506099E602FF25@gordons> hi JOHN are you open monday i will bring it down the coin mec that is please let me know thank you gsbuck1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE rowe 84 > gordie Buck wrote: >> hi can some one help me i have abig problem with my coin co my machine >> is a march 1980 it has been parked for 21 years and it will not take the >> new canadian coins they just come back down the reject chute is there any >> way to fix this thank you one new juker in coin trouble aka gsbuck1 >> >> > Hi Gordie, > > Check that the 25c cradle is pivots freely - it uses a silicon based oil > only, then open the mechanism (the section that the reject lever starts to > open) and look for a tiny flat spring like device that will be in the > lower right corner - this catches the serrated edge of Canadian quarters > and kicks them to the left to the accept slot. If it is gummed up, bent, > etc. that could be your problem. > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Wed Nov 11 22:56:22 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Nov 11 22:57:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE rowe 84 In-Reply-To: <0F9F9B10818F487591506099E602FF25@gordons> References: <8920F9B1EA094D2B9E690D969BE94521@gordons> <4AFB92B5.7020703@telus.net> <0F9F9B10818F487591506099E602FF25@gordons> Message-ID: <4AFBB196.4050206@telus.net> gordie Buck wrote: > hi JOHN are you open monday i will bring it down the coin mec that is > please let me know thank you gsbuck1 Store hours are Tuesday to Saturday, 9AM - 5:30PM, sometimes parking is available at the rear... John :-#)# > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE rowe 84 > > >> gordie Buck wrote: >>> hi can some one help me i have abig problem with my coin co my >>> machine is a march 1980 it has been parked for 21 years and it will >>> not take the new canadian coins they just come back down the reject >>> chute is there any way to fix this thank you one new juker in coin >>> trouble aka gsbuck1 >>> >>> >> Hi Gordie, >> >> Check that the 25c cradle is pivots freely - it uses a silicon based >> oil only, then open the mechanism (the section that the reject lever >> starts to open) and look for a tiny flat spring like device that will >> be in the lower right corner - this catches the serrated edge of >> Canadian quarters and kicks them to the left to the accept slot. If >> it is gummed up, bent, etc. that could be your problem. >> >> John :-#)# >> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just >> flip out" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Nov 12 00:18:28 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Nov 12 00:20:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Blackhead Cartridges In-Reply-To: <02ea01ca633c$60369d60$20a3d820$@net> Message-ID: <718516.87802.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Bob Favicchio wrote: > Hey gang - does anyone use the > Seeburg blackhead cartridges from the early > 50's? Didn't know whether I should throw them away or > not. Huh? Throw them away?!? Something that hasn't been produced in fifty years? Yeah, throw them away, along with any GE VRII cartridges you might find. :-) > Also what about the blackhead for the M100A? So, at this point it's a little hard to understand what you're asking. What are you asking? From stamann at jukebox-world.de Thu Nov 12 03:38:02 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Thu Nov 12 03:41:29 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud Message-ID: Hello Joey and John, we can offer complete mech covers for the Tempo 1 models, painted if needed and all trim parts included. Tempo 2: we have the plastic cover ready and all trim parts except the two aluminium inserts. We finally found a way to make these aluminium inserts and hope that we can offer complete covers for the Tempo 2 by the end of the year. Regis/Empress: this cover is the most difficult one. The plastic is ready and some trim parts but not all yet. We found technical solutions to make the difficult trim pats but will need a few more months to get all ready. The 1458/65 mech covers will be available next year too. Kind regards - Oliver Stamann www.Jukebox-World.de -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von pat2355@aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. November 2009 08:01 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud 1960: 1485 Tempo II 200 As long as we're on the topic here's my baby on the page bottom, so if you folks have any pic needs or...Pat -----Original Message----- From: Joey McDonald To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud John, Jukebox World has the mech shroud you are looking for. I have been talking to Oliver and Hildegard ( owners ) and they are very nice people. I will be buying a mech shoud ( dress cap ) from them soon myself. https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s34665813.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn;jsessionid=154ae49360c8c40/shopdata/0020_Ersatzteile+=28jukebox+parts=29+-+USA/product_overview.shopscript Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Regan" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola tempo II mech shroud Hello Piet, I am restoring a Tempo II and I am in need of a mech shroud. Could You possibly help me out? Or maybe You know somebody with one? I still have some rock ola castings and pinbanks if You may need something. Thanks John Regan _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Thu Nov 12 04:46:25 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 12 04:48:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola CD Wallbox Lyric In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e0911110731l5767a4b4n7c77c7ce91768efe@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cf1842e0911101614w7d6a0f93s748f8a4b5e3341c4@mail.gmail.com><8CC30E4DF2815AD-2F60-1E3E@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> <8cf1842e0911110731l5767a4b4n7c77c7ce91768efe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC31AD47881A25-6D20-62E8@webmail-m082.sysops.aol.com> I have found most of use don't have a need for wall boxs and they require maintance, and if not wireles You have to run wire, I have some wall boxes for display only in My 2400 sq foot game room. it is just My personal opion they are just to much bother to operate and maintain. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Donald Whiting To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 9:31 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola CD Wallbox Lyric Doc thanks for your input could you expand on the pain to use part? On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:51 AM, wrote: > Don This is just My personal thoughts, they are cool to look at neat to own, but not worth the pain to use. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Donald Whiting To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:14 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola CD Wallbox Lyric Anyone have an opinion on this wallbox. I have a chance to pick one up but ts several states away and will need to be shipped. So I would be urchasing sight unseen and I've never heard or saw one up close. But have een looking for a wallbox and this one really grabbed my eye. Anyone know ow they sound? Reliability, Parts availability? etc... I did try an google ithout much success. Not sure why there doesn't appear to be much info on his. I believe they came out in 2001 or 02. Thanks Don... ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinplayers at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 05:18:08 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Thu Nov 12 05:27:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola CD Wallbox Lyric In-Reply-To: <8CC31AD47881A25-6D20-62E8@webmail-m082.sysops.aol.com> References: <8cf1842e0911101614w7d6a0f93s748f8a4b5e3341c4@mail.gmail.com> <8CC30E4DF2815AD-2F60-1E3E@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> <8cf1842e0911110731l5767a4b4n7c77c7ce91768efe@mail.gmail.com> <8CC31AD47881A25-6D20-62E8@webmail-m082.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911120518h193928fw9cff4a5b83c7f0f7@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the feedback.... Don... On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:46 AM, wrote: > > I have found most of use don't have a need for wall boxs and they require > maintance, and if not wireles You have to run wire, I have some wall boxes > for display only in My 2400 sq foot game room. it is just My personal opion > they are just to much bother to operate and maintain. > > doc ellis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Whiting > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 9:31 am > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola CD Wallbox Lyric > > > > Doc thanks for your input could you expand on the pain to use part? > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:51 AM, wrote: > > > Don > > This is just My personal thoughts, they are cool to look at neat to own, > but not worth the pain to use. > > doc ellis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Whiting > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:14 pm > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola CD Wallbox Lyric > > > > Anyone have an opinion on this wallbox. I have a chance to pick one up but > ts several states away and will need to be shipped. So I would be > urchasing sight unseen and I've never heard or saw one up close. But have > een looking for a wallbox and this one really grabbed my eye. Anyone know > ow they sound? Reliability, Parts availability? etc... I did try an google > ithout much success. Not sure why there doesn't appear to be much info on > his. I believe they came out in 2001 or 02. > Thanks Don... > ______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > ______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 12 05:11:49 2009 From: donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com (luke & lucy) Date: Thu Nov 12 05:29:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Max 477 - Mystic 478 Message-ID: <179F0DCCBA034F7980A8CD1C12CF9275@DBTOA000> Hi All Ive been having trouble getting my 478 working and have found a 477 on ebay allegedly working but for a missing latch relay. I know some of you think its junk but can anyone tell me if they have pretty much the same parts inside I'm hoping they are identical but with different shells. I believe they were manufactured at the same time. Thanks Luke Ps anyone else on here from Wales I know there are a few Brits but curious how many of us are out there From robert-ford at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 12 05:50:31 2009 From: robert-ford at ntlworld.com (Bob Ford) Date: Thu Nov 12 06:08:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Max 477 - Mystic 478 References: <179F0DCCBA034F7980A8CD1C12CF9275@DBTOA000> Message-ID: <1C52E0894549452EBE9F8F574472E733@ownerbob1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "luke & lucy" To: Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Max 477 - Mystic 478 Hi All /// Ps anyone else on here from Wales I know there are a few Brits but curious how many of us are out there _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Well, I'm here in South Manchester with a Rock-Ola 468 which I bought earlier this year . As I've two saxophones and an electric piano in the front room, I'd have been pushing it if I'd suggested to my wife that we had it in the house. So it does just fine in the summerhouse at the bottom of the garden. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9gsLR_4PNA From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 12 06:47:34 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Thu Nov 12 06:49:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: M100A news Message-ID: <595800.48137.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I absolutely agree with you, Dave. The $6200 "A" is very minty with the glaring exception of the cabinet. I think they totally buggered it up. It looks, well... wierd. The cabinet on the 45rpm "A" looks to be orginal and in VERY good shape. It just oozes early 1950s! Question for the list: has anyone EVER tackled bringing a 45rpm "A" back to 78rpm?? I'd love to hear your adventures if you have. Bob - Chicago David B. wrote: --- On Wed, 11/11/09, NotarySojac wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250524806481&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > Now, here's an "A" set up for 78rpm but oh boy! The price > is a tad too dear, I'm afraid. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150372861355&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT It's a shame that you can't combine the cabinet from the first one with the mechanism from the second one. I'm surprised the seller didn't think of that - he'd come closer to justifying his starting price that way. I'd bet whoever paid that much for the 45 one was probably looking at the original finish on the cabinet with just such a project in mind. From stamann at jukebox-world.de Thu Nov 12 07:28:41 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Thu Nov 12 07:32:05 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Re: M100A news Message-ID: Hello Bob, I do not know exactly what all is needed when re-converting a M100A to 78 RPM - but it is not just the gear and a record clamp. If I remember right a customer of ours bought a complete 78 rpm mech incl. magazine to have his 100A playing 78s again. His 100A can be seen here - scroll down to the photos: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Seeburg/SeeburgM100A.htm You can try to email him, his name and email are left on that site. Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von NotarySojac Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. November 2009 16:01 An: Jukebox List Betreff: [Jukebox-list] Re: M100A news I absolutely agree with you, Dave. The $6200 "A" is very minty with the glaring exception of the cabinet. I think they totally buggered it up. It looks, well... wierd. The cabinet on the 45rpm "A" looks to be orginal and in VERY good shape. It just oozes early 1950s! Question for the list: has anyone EVER tackled bringing a 45rpm "A" back to 78rpm?? I'd love to hear your adventures if you have. Bob - Chicago David B. wrote: --- On Wed, 11/11/09, NotarySojac wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250524806481&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > Now, here's an "A" set up for 78rpm but oh boy! The price > is a tad too dear, I'm afraid. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150372861355&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT It's a shame that you can't combine the cabinet from the first one with the mechanism from the second one. I'm surprised the seller didn't think of that - he'd come closer to justifying his starting price that way. I'd bet whoever paid that much for the 45 one was probably looking at the original finish on the cabinet with just such a project in mind. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Thu Nov 12 07:56:35 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Thu Nov 12 07:58:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: M100A news In-Reply-To: <595800.48137.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <595800.48137.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <694719.75092.qm@web86707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Yes, I have converted an M100A from 45rpm back to 78rpm!? And I did it very much the difficult way in that?it was at least?15 years ago, before internet and mailing lists (how on earth did we ever manage??) and without even really knowing the arrangement of the original.? I realised early on that the 10 inch /?12 inch intermix was probably going to be beyond me so I decided that it would be 10 inch only.? I have since seen pictures / video of David B's original M100A so I now can see exactly how the intermix works.? I did have a manual though. I did the conversion?using the 45 rpm parts - I just relocated everything to suit.? I really should have photographed the conversion, but I didn't!? The machine has spent most of its life in a museum in Scotland but about a year ago (maybe less), they returned it to me.? I'm sorry to say that it has lain untouched in my garage since then along with a few other projects, including another 45rpm M100A!? I'll see if I can get some pictures taken?to see if it will give anyone inspiration.? Fifteen years ago, it sounded fabulous.? I had spoken to a Belgian at "Rock Around the Jukebox" in Rosmalen, Netherlands?who knew someone who rebuilt Blackheads, so he got?the cartridge?done for me (I sent him 5 in various states and he made 3 good ones).? I? got 50 cycle gears from somewhere as well, that might also have been in Belgium. If?anyone does want pictures,?you will probably need to badger me a bit. Norman. ________________________________ From: NotarySojac To: Jukebox List Sent: Thursday, 12 November, 2009 14:47:34 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: M100A news I absolutely agree with you, Dave. The $6200 "A" is very minty with the glaring exception of the cabinet. I think they totally buggered it up. It looks, well... wierd. The cabinet on the 45rpm "A" looks to be orginal and in VERY good shape. It just oozes early 1950s! Question for the list: has anyone EVER tackled bringing a 45rpm "A" back to 78rpm?? I'd love to hear your adventures if you have. Bob - Chicago David B. wrote: --- On Wed, 11/11/09, NotarySojac wrote: From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Nov 12 08:26:18 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Nov 12 08:28:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lumiline Light bulbs In-Reply-To: <6428-4AFB36A3-943@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <6428-4AFB36A3-943@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: My W500 uses them, and I purchased mine from Victory Glass. Cost is about $30. They have 60watt bulbs, but I believe 30 watt is closer to the original. Good luck -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James McClave Sent: 2009, November, 11 5:12 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lumiline Light bulbs Does anyone have a good source for these anymore? I need the 17.75" long one for an old Seeburg Commander. I have tried Atlanta Light bulb co, , they say GE has discntinued them. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From DriveInFleaMarket at verizon.net Thu Nov 12 07:29:51 2009 From: DriveInFleaMarket at verizon.net (DriveInFleaMarket) Date: Thu Nov 12 08:33:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: M100A news In-Reply-To: <595800.48137.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <595800.48137.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AFC29EF.5040309@verizon.net> NotarySojac wrote: > I absolutely agree with you, Dave. > > The $6200 "A" is very minty with the glaring exception of the cabinet. I think they totally buggered it up. It looks, well... wierd. > > The cabinet on the 45rpm "A" looks to be orginal and in VERY good shape. It just oozes early 1950s! > > Question for the list: has anyone EVER tackled bringing a 45rpm "A" back to 78rpm?? I'd love to hear your adventures if you have. > > Bob - Chicago > > > David B. wrote: > > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, NotarySojac wrote: > > > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250524806481&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> Now, here's an "A" set up for 78rpm but oh boy! The price >> is a tad too dear, I'm afraid. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150372861355&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT >> > > > It's a shame that you can't combine the cabinet from the > first one with the mechanism from the second one. I'm > surprised the seller didn't think of that - he'd come > closer to justifying his starting price that way. I'd > bet whoever paid that much for the 45 one was probably > looking at the original finish on the cabinet with just > such a project in mind. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > I believe you have that backwards on the cabinet, if I'm reading you correctly. The 45 "A" has the zebra wood which is not the original finish. They were originally painted. The 78 "A" looks like the paint was stripped off and the underlying bare wood was stained. From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 12 09:36:06 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Thu Nov 12 09:37:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: M100A news Message-ID: <914840.62756.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DriveInFleaMarket sez: > I believe you have that backwards on the cabinet, if I'm reading you > correctly. The 45 "A" has the zebra wood which is not the original > finish. They were originally painted. The 78 "A" looks like the paint > was stripped off and the underlying bare wood was stained. Hmmmm.... perhaps you are correct. However, check out these links: http://www.pinballrebel.com/archive/seeburg/s100a/s100a.htm http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/272129 http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/seeburg-m100a-jukebox-1948-seeburg-m100a http://keres.meccahosting.com/~a0002595/Seeburg_A.html Most of the 78rpm 100A's I have seen have that zebra wood finish. Maybe a wise'nd sage on this list can set the record straight. But then you might be surprised to see this: http://www.dwasserman.com/5313 Note that the cabinet 'motif' matches the mech cover!! Perhaps a re-paint?? Whatever, I like the zebra grain finish the best. IMHO Bob Chicago From tadperez at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 09:41:38 2009 From: tadperez at gmail.com (tad perez) Date: Thu Nov 12 09:43:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record ejecting problems In-Reply-To: <20091109.142522.5264.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091109.142522.5264.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1994498c0911120941uc59f8f0rdc76d837c48fee47@mail.gmail.com> Thank you for your help, can you suggest good places online to purchase 45 records. Obviously ebay is a good place, but how are websites like http://gameroomantiques.com/JukeBox45.HTM where they sell reproduction records in bulk? On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:25 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Tad:: > > To answer your Rock Ola questions: > > Yes you can have a few 45 RPM records that are pressed off center, are > warped , or that have non standard run-out grooves, but it shouldn't be > happening frequently. You should take care not to put warped records into > any type of automatic play record changer. > > If the complaints you're talking about do happen a lot these are the areas > of your juke that need adjustment and attention: I'm assuming that you have > the service manual for your machine. Use records that are known to be in > good condition, not warped as a standard to set the changer adjustments. > > Tripoff at the end of record play Beneath the tone arm at it's pivot > point, to the right of the turntable, you'll see a leaf switch assembly. > This is the trip out switch. Possibly the contacts are dirty. It may be > out of adjustment. You mentioned that the tone arm "bounces back" onto the > play surface of the record. This shouldn't happen. The tripoff lever that > operates this switch has a fine adjustment. See the service manual. > > If records are not being centered perfectly over the turntable as the > gripper arm picks them up, this will cause the record-handling problem you > talked about. Adjustments are normally made to shift the turntable plate > (platform) into proper alignment with the gripper arm. Ths is a > straightforward simnple process. See the service manual for adjustment > details. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Blue Cross Health Plans > Quote & compare top health plans like Blue Cross, Aetna, and more! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=6m74OVpYAls-zXHEWw6c0wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAIBCvz4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOGiQAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Thu Nov 12 10:10:37 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Nov 12 10:12:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Songbird manual/schematics? Message-ID: <4AFC4F9D.1000709@telus.net> Every now and then I try this... Songbird used a NSM jukebox placed in a fiberglass shell that was styled to look like the back end of a 1957 T-Bird. Looking for the SONGBIRD (made in Nevada, USA) manual that covers the extra bits added to the standard NSM CD machine. For example - there is supposed to be a "Vroom, Vroom" sound and the brake lights are supposed to flash periodically, but the wiring in mine has been compromised and I am looking for anything on that machine. Thanks! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From kjq45 at att.net Thu Nov 12 16:38:25 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Thu Nov 12 16:40:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Power Distribution Plug References: <4AFB8B36.1080203@west.net> Message-ID: Hi Jay - That looks exactly like what I need. I'll take some measurements to be sure. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Power Distribution Plug > Glen Pitts wrote: >> Would anyone have a lead on a replacement "Miniature Socket" for a >> Rock-Ola 35885-A Power Distribution Unit. In layman's terms, it's a >> chassis mount 110v female plug for the cabinet lights. Mine broke. The >> plug is riveted into a rectangular hole in the chassis. These were used >> in many applications and should be available somewhere, but can't find >> them. The Rock-Ola number is 19272. Glen > > Like this? > > http://tinyurl.com/yl8oqdn > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Thu Nov 12 18:01:50 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Nov 12 18:03:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Power Distribution Plug In-Reply-To: References: <4AFB8B36.1080203@west.net> Message-ID: <4AFCBE0E.9090706@west.net> Glen Pitts wrote: > Hi Jay - That looks exactly like what I need. I'll take some > measurements to be sure. Glen I've used them in the power distribution box on the Princess 1493 and AMI Continentals. For Rockola you'll probably need to slightly file the sides of the rectangular chassis hole a bit wider. This is a good thing as the originals are really too thin and tend to chip at the sides of the blade receptacles resulting in potential shorts to the chassis. The replacements are very slightly wider, otherwise a perfect fit. I used 4-40 pan-head screws and KEPS nuts in place of the original rivets. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From kjq45 at att.net Thu Nov 12 18:13:35 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Thu Nov 12 18:15:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Power Distribution Plug References: <4AFB8B36.1080203@west.net> <4AFCBE0E.9090706@west.net> Message-ID: <681B29E9B8FD4C77ACA02AD5FD4BB7B0@D41XWQ61> Yes, I agree completely. The measurements did show a bit wider and I anticipate a little filing. I ordered five of them, one to use and the remainder for spares. I also ordered the Rock-Ola stepper gears from Victory Glass. They appear to be the correct ones. They are black instead of the cracked white gears. NOS, these will last me forever. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Power Distribution Plug > Glen Pitts wrote: > >> Hi Jay - That looks exactly like what I need. I'll take some >> measurements to be sure. Glen > > I've used them in the power distribution box on the Princess 1493 and AMI > Continentals. For Rockola you'll probably need to slightly file the sides > of the rectangular chassis hole a bit wider. This is a good thing as the > originals are really too thin and tend to chip at the sides of the blade > receptacles resulting in potential shorts to the chassis. The > replacements are very slightly wider, otherwise a perfect fit. > > I used 4-40 pan-head screws and KEPS nuts in place of the original rivets. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Nov 12 18:54:58 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Nov 12 18:57:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Songbird manual/schematics? Message-ID: <20091112.215458.26509.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello John: I've had to service one of these at one time. I believe these were built by a company called Carson City Parlor, in Carson City NV. My customer bought their Songbird new directly from them and had no schematic info in the owner's paperwork that came with the unit. The verbage in the Carson owner's manual made reference to an extra-cost module that allowed the tail lights to flash and a timed digital audio generator (i would imagine it's like the sound boxes used associated kiddie rides) that had an engine-noise soundtrack. The audio generator plugged into the BGM music inputs of the NSM jukebox amplifier. The sound effects would be muted if a record was in play. My customers' Songbird didn't have this option installed, but a wiring harness was in place to accomodate it. The 45 RPM vinyl juke components in the machine were the NSM model ES160 Prestige II. Uses the ES II logic platform. I used that manual to make the tech repairs needed at the time. More recently, I saw a trade ad for a CD-version Songbird. There's probably more than one NSM model in use for these units. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ "Shoot" into a New Career Film Degrees, in front & behind the camera at New York Film Academy http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Ai8Na7zCvb9NJp6saw4ZNAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAANNNYj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSFZgAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Nov 12 19:09:36 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Nov 12 19:12:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record ejecting problems Message-ID: <20091112.220936.26509.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Tad: 3 on line record stores I can reccomend are: www.oldies.com This is the webstore for the Collectable records label. You can buy individual songtitles there or you can buy new 45 RPM records in bulk packages for a cost of about .35 cents per disc. www.beverlyrecords.com This is one of Chicago, IL's oldest record stores. They still sell lots of vinyl, huge inventory of 45 RPM choices,where they claim to have 100,000 titles listed. They have new-release, repro copy oldies, and original issue discs. Most items sell at reasonable prices, not "collector" prices. www.alwaysjukin.com Jukebox newspaper has some oldies record packages for sale. See website or their monthly newspaper. Newspaper usually carries several ads from record dealers catering to home jukebox owners. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Lights, Camera, Career? Enter the fast-paced film industry with a degree from top film schools http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=m6LSZo3x0SPYCwgjeTH5bgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAIXrUT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYAGAAAAAA= From lavin at cheqnet.net Thu Nov 12 19:22:34 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Thu Nov 12 19:23:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox CD player's References: <6F9DD22DB5BF40AA8EFA1D3E5CC7C7B4@dennis1cb9fd78> Message-ID: Hi Thomas, I sent you an email a few days ago about the Pioneer cd player parts,- did you recieve it ? Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Teeter" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pioneer CJ-V55 Laser disc Jukebox CD player's > Dennis, I have a player from a Pioneer I parted out 8 or 9 months ago. I > tested it by playing an album just prior to dismantling the juke, and > found > it to be in working order with the exception that it skipped 3 or 4 times. > But then again, it was barely above 20 degrees outside when I tested it, > so > that probably had something to do with that. If you are interested, > contact > me off-list with an offer... :) > > Thomas > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Dennis and Sue wrote: > >> HI- well I had fun yesterday getting the jukebox opened up, and playing >> on >> the 1st cd player, but today I loaded the 2nd and 3rd players in it, and >> they dont work. >> >> 2nd unit made a lot of noise, and stalled. Took the cover off of it, and >> found the cd motor/laser asy just laying loose in the carrage. found the >> missing screws laying around inside the box, remounted the asy, but it >> dosnt >> spin up to speed, and sounds like the motor is rubbing somthing when it >> trys >> to spin a cd.. >> >> Have not opened up the 3rd player yet to see what is screaming in there . >> :-( >> >> Guess I was luck to get the 1st cd player working at all. >> >> I think I would like to get some spare cd players, any one know where I >> might find them , or just a replacment cd drive or 2 ?? >> >> >> Thanks-Dennis. >> >> >> Jukeboxdenny >> . >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.704 / Virus Database: 270.14.59/2494 - Release Date: 11/10/09 01:38:00 From pinball at telus.net Thu Nov 12 20:33:42 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Nov 12 20:35:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Songbird manual/schematics? In-Reply-To: <20091112.215458.26509.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091112.215458.26509.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4AFCE1A6.7060007@telus.net> James Alexander wrote: > Hello John: > > I've had to service one of these at one time. I believe these were built by a company called Carson City Parlor, in Carson City NV. My customer bought their Songbird new directly from them and had no schematic info in the owner's paperwork that came with the unit. > > The verbage in the Carson owner's manual made reference to an extra-cost module that allowed the tail lights to flash and a timed digital audio generator (i would imagine it's like the sound boxes used associated kiddie rides) that had an engine-noise soundtrack. > The audio generator plugged into the BGM music inputs of the NSM jukebox amplifier. The sound effects would be muted if a record was in play. > My customers' Songbird didn't have this option installed, but a wiring harness was in place to accomodate it. > > The 45 RPM vinyl juke components in the machine were the NSM model ES160 Prestige II. Uses the ES II logic platform. I used that manual to make the tech repairs needed at the time. > > More recently, I saw a trade ad for a CD-version Songbird. There's probably more than one NSM model in use for these units. > > Hope this helps, > > Jim Alexander > Hi Jim, Yes, Carson City was the maker, long out of business though. I tried contacting them about five years ago... The machine was available in both 45 and CD. We have the ESII version CD tower system with a CDM-3 player. I still have an ad for the Songbird in my files... Thanks for trying to help! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Nov 12 20:35:47 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Nov 12 20:37:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: M100A news In-Reply-To: <4AFC29EF.5040309@verizon.net> Message-ID: <418691.60265.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, DriveInFleaMarket wrote: > I believe you have that backwards on the cabinet, if I'm > reading you correctly. The 45 "A" has the zebra wood which > is not the original finish. They were originally painted. > The 78 "A" looks like the paint > was stripped off and the underlying bare wood was stained. No, "Drive", the finish was always a lithographed zebrewood pattern. Always. From perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 13 03:30:14 2009 From: perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk (glyn morgan) Date: Fri Nov 13 03:38:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Max 477 - Mystic 478 In-Reply-To: <179F0DCCBA034F7980A8CD1C12CF9275@DBTOA000> Message-ID: <998697.95637.qm@web24607.mail.ird.yahoo.com> hi im from Cardigan, West Wales. I got a 478 working for a friend which was doing strange things from what I remember. It turned out to be fault in logic board & I found same chip in hit tracker. Put it in logic board & juke is still behaving 3 years on. Hit tracker isnt needed for juke function. Somewhere I have a spare chip if its any use. regards Glyn --- On Thu, 12/11/09, luke & lucy wrote: > From: luke & lucy > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Max 477 - Mystic 478 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, 12 November, 2009, 13:11 > Hi All > Ive been having trouble getting my 478 working and have > found a 477 on ebay allegedly working but for a missing > latch relay. I know some of you think its junk but can > anyone tell me if they have pretty much the same parts > inside I'm hoping they are identical but with different > shells. I believe they were manufactured at the same time. > Thanks > Luke > Ps anyone else on here from Wales I know there are a few > Brits but curious how many of us are out there > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jtjalsma at home.nl Fri Nov 13 04:21:25 2009 From: jtjalsma at home.nl (Jurjen Tjalsma) Date: Fri Nov 13 04:43:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC 1 two-sides problem Message-ID: <4AFD4F45.1000602@home.nl> Hello all, I have a problem with a LPC 1. When I select both the A and B-side of a record, the record comes up to play the A-side, rejects and comes up again to play the B-side. The B-side plays fine then. When I only select the A-side there's no problem. In the manual it's only mentioned when the machine is set up for album play. This one however is set up for single play only. Is there anyone who has had the same problem? Thanks in advance, Jurjen Tjalsma From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Nov 13 06:51:10 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Nov 13 06:52:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems In-Reply-To: References: <20091110.153247.26894.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com><8CC312C65302349-2588-506E@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, I'm doing a presentation in the near future, at the Canadian Antique Phonograph Society, on the topic of 16 rpm records. Part of the discussion will include the Seeburg BMS. I have some info on it, but was wondering if anyone knows when these were phased out? I've seen records from 1974, so figured that they must have been discontinued in the mid 1970's. Can anyone give more detailed info? Also, what were the charges for the records? I understand that they were "property of Seeburg" and were supposed to be returned. Judging from the number available, they often weren't. Also, any other info on the BMS or 16 rpm records would be most appreciated. I've checked the usual Google sites. Thanks in advance guys, Mike > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 13 08:03:47 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 13 08:06:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC 1 two-sides problem Message-ID: <20091113.110347.7104.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jurgen: As you are probably aware, your LPC-1 scans and stops to pick up records only on the mechanism's left-to-right travel. Your machine should be stopping to pick up selected B sides only when the mech is scanning this way. The most likely problem is the failure of all switch contacts to close at the right time on the reversing relay in the front of the mech. There can also be circuit problems on the tormat chassis located at the base of the cabinet. Here's a simple test you can try: On that chassis there are two pulse amplifier modules, each containg a 12AX7 tube. One of the amplifiers reads out odd side selections (A1,C1,E1,etc) while the other reads out the even sides (B1,D1,F1, etc) Use the service switch to start the mech scanning, and put the switch back into the "run" position. While the mech is scanning-left-to-right, slowly pull the 12AX7 tube out of the pulse amp socket. You should hear a relay click in the pulse amp chassis and the mech should stop at that point, pull and play the selection. If it pulls an odd number, concern yourself with the other pulse amp. If you pull the 12AX7 tube the mech should stop, pull the record and transfer to play the even side. If it does this, this is an indication that the tormat unit readout function is working correctly that the problem lies with the reversing relay or it's contacts on the mech. Take care not to pull the tube during the right-to-left scan mode. If you have the LPC-1 service manual, it will show in detail how you can troubleshoot and pinpoint all aspects of this problem accurately. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Medical Insurance Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-Fbff3HXYfYNxMjV6h0HhgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAAY9nT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgBgAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Nov 13 08:26:21 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Nov 13 08:28:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC 1 two-sides problem In-Reply-To: <4AFD4F45.1000602@home.nl> Message-ID: <108156.25572.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jurjen, Your LSR, RSR, and RR contacts are not adjusted correctly--See the Service Manual, or my "Seeburg Mechanism Guide", for a procedure. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Jurjen Tjalsma wrote: From: Jurjen Tjalsma Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC 1 two-sides problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 4:21 AM Hello all, I have a problem with a LPC 1. When I select both the A and B-side of a record, the record comes up to play the A-side, rejects and comes up again to play the B-side. The B-side plays fine then. When I only select the A-side there's no problem.? In the manual it's only mentioned when the machine is set up for album play. This one however is set up for single play only. Is there anyone who has had the same problem? Thanks in advance, Jurjen Tjalsma _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 13 08:44:10 2009 From: donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com (luke & lucy) Date: Fri Nov 13 08:45:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 478 you've all gone very quiet Message-ID: <5700C56801FA4E67B370C8926A568A27@DBTOA000> HI all thanks to Glyn and Bob for replying good to know Im not alone in the UK. As for the rest of you if anyone knows the answer (do the 477 and 478 share many parts) please let me know I have an ebay deadline to beat. I realise many of you wont know the answer and none of us wants to flood the message board with hundreds of messages saying "sorry no idea" but surely someone knows something. I know how rubbish my juke is and that its not worth fixing but jukes are even rarer in the uk and cost even more (currently a 478 on ebay for ?1100) this is what I have, all I can afford, I love it and want to see it working again. Jay, Ron and the rest of you Jedi "help me Obi-Wan you're my only hope" thanks in advance Luke From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 13 08:51:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 13 08:54:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems Message-ID: <20091113.115146.13144.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Michael: Seeburg background music service equipment was primarily leased to end-user businesses by Seeburg appointed operators and sound contractors, and paid for by the month. The cost of the service included new records being mailed out each month to the client, and old or unwanted records were to be exchanged/returned. The cost of the monthly service also included public performance ASCAP/BMI fees paid for commercial music use. As technology progressed, Seeburg began using special frequency FM transmitters and receivers to deliver fresh music to BGM customers, rather than maintaining an on-premise record or tape player. Most commercial BGM service today is delivered by satellite receiver or via an internet connection. Some music services are associated with satellite TV carriers Dish Network and Direct TV. Hope this helps your research, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=lFr5fTYhWtKjh2CR9IWhMQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPaWqT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 13 09:01:00 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 13 09:05:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 478 you've all gone very quiet Message-ID: <20091113.120100.13144.2@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: It is my understanding that all RO vinyl playing jukes from model 478 going forward, thru model 496, the last vinyl playing model, all used the same imbedded computer control platform. Most record changer parts, electronics and amp modules should be swappable. I have to offer this qualifier--- I'm basing this info upon what I know of RockOLa's domestic, US models. I'm not sure if anything was changed for the export models used in the UK. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=evX-dmZg3ilJwdQfNiSJJQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPaWqT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Nov 13 09:04:13 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Nov 13 09:05:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems In-Reply-To: <20091113.115146.13144.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091113.115146.13144.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Jim, this helps so much. As usual you are a wealth of information. Do you know roughly when they went to satellite and stopped using the 16rpm records? Mike P.s. I found a site that is actually still RENTING out these records. Who would think they'd be a demand for this today? http://us.zilok.com/location/141967-seeburg-1000-background-music-record s.html?l=85523 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, November, 13 11:52 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems Michael: Seeburg background music service equipment was primarily leased to end-user businesses by Seeburg appointed operators and sound contractors, and paid for by the month. The cost of the service included new records being mailed out each month to the client, and old or unwanted records were to be exchanged/returned. The cost of the monthly service also included public performance ASCAP/BMI fees paid for commercial music use. As technology progressed, Seeburg began using special frequency FM transmitters and receivers to deliver fresh music to BGM customers, rather than maintaining an on-premise record or tape player. Most commercial BGM service today is delivered by satellite receiver or via an internet connection. Some music services are associated with satellite TV carriers Dish Network and Direct TV. Hope this helps your research, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=lFr5fTYhWtKjh2CR9IWhMQA AJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPaWqT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQA AAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 13 09:50:27 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 13 09:54:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems Message-ID: <20091113.125027.7272.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Michael: Seeburg was offering BGM distribution by special carrier FM receiver in most major US cities by the mid -70's. By then,there was a greater choice of music channels available, including some with songs by the original artists. This is customary for most music services today. There are only a few program choices that still offer bland instrumental arrangements of popular song hits, "elevator music".There are some customers that want that type of programming. Most prefer today to have music by the original artists, where playlists are designed to create or conform to certain moods and atmospheres. As a business owner, when subscribing to a music service there are typically 35 to 60 continous music channels available to you at any time. (2 or 3 of those are elevator music channels) For a higher cost per month, music carriers will prepare a special music program for your location(s) (think of a grocery store chain) that can carry ads/commercials for your business. he major providers of commercial BGM service today are Muzak, DMX, Music Choice, Play Network and the commercial arm of Sirius/XM satellite radio. Background music dealers were encouraged to have their customers discontinue the use of the 16 RPM phono systems circa the 70's.Seeburg's BGM business was separate from the jukebox manufacturing business. I'm surprised to hear that someone is viably operating the Seeburg BGM record exchange service today. Are newer recorded works being offered? I was under the impression that Seeburg Corp. closed all operations completely in the mid 90's. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=McZYzbQrF2tv5wGxGjCrHwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPaWqT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Nov 13 09:58:16 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Nov 13 09:59:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems In-Reply-To: <20091113.125027.7272.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091113.125027.7272.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Thanks again Jim, this is what I needed. Yes, I found it very odd that someone was RENTING these records out at $3/day for 25 of them. It does not sound like an exchange service, just that they are available to anyone who wants this type of music played. I can't imagine there being many takers! -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, November, 13 12:50 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems Michael: Seeburg was offering BGM distribution by special carrier FM receiver in most major US cities by the mid -70's. By then,there was a greater choice of music channels available, including some with songs by the original artists. This is customary for most music services today. There are only a few program choices that still offer bland instrumental arrangements of popular song hits, "elevator music".There are some customers that want that type of programming. Most prefer today to have music by the original artists, where playlists are designed to create or conform to certain moods and atmospheres. As a business owner, when subscribing to a music service there are typically 35 to 60 continous music channels available to you at any time. (2 or 3 of those are elevator music channels) For a higher cost per month, music carriers will prepare a special music program for your location(s) (think of a grocery store chain) that can carry ads/commercials for your business. he major providers of commercial BGM service today are Muzak, DMX, Music Choice, Play Network and the commercial arm of Sirius/XM satellite radio. Background music dealers were encouraged to have their customers discontinue the use of the 16 RPM phono systems circa the 70's.Seeburg's BGM business was separate from the jukebox manufacturing business. I'm surprised to hear that someone is viably operating the Seeburg BGM record exchange service today. Are newer recorded works being offered? I was under the impression that Seeburg Corp. closed all operations completely in the mid 90's. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=McZYzbQrF2tv5wGxGjCrHwA AJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPaWqT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQA AAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 13 10:12:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 13 10:16:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems Message-ID: <20091113.131246.7272.2@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Michael: Wow, that's expensive! Most businesses today pay an average of $50-75 a month for a current BGM service, capable of delivering continous fresh music choices. This price includes public music performance fees. It's my understanding that the Sirius/XM service is cheaper than that. At $3 per day per record, for a pkg of 25, that's an average cost of $90/month--plus the customer has the cost of maintaing operating the Seeburg record player. Most of those old 1000 style 16 RPM phonos use the no-longer-made stereo "T" shaped stylii that are in limited supply and expensive to buy. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Nk9tJd4RydHLHU4W67Kf6QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPaWqT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Nov 13 12:39:27 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Nov 13 12:41:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems In-Reply-To: <20091113.131246.7272.2@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <313661.14276.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You may already know this and are just using "16" as shorthand, but the records actually rotate at 16-2/3 RPM, 1/2 the speed of "33" records. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Nov 13 12:48:21 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Nov 13 12:50:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems In-Reply-To: <313661.14276.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20091113.131246.7272.2@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> <313661.14276.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, but thanks David. It's exactly half that of a 33.33 record. Interestingly, I've got some audiophile lp's that stress they were cut at "half master" speed to allow the cutting head to do the best job. So, I guess they too were cut at "16"rpm. I've had great difficulty finding WHEN exactly the 16 rpm record format was created, and by whom. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 2009, November, 13 3:39 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems You may already know this and are just using "16" as shorthand, but the records actually rotate at 16-2/3 RPM, 1/2 the speed of "33" records. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From coonjerkins at gmail.com Fri Nov 13 12:47:43 2009 From: coonjerkins at gmail.com (JE) Date: Fri Nov 13 13:19:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 turntable problem Message-ID: <803330400911131247m2e3d232fo5311d11477ccbdb4@mail.gmail.com> Greetings. I am still learning how my Wurlitzer 600 works. I am having a bit of a problem currently. The part of the operating process where the turntable drive spring meets the pin on the drive gear. I hope I'm using the correct terms. There is a misalignment and the pin is not hitting the spring correctly and spins around clacking against it. The turntable obviously won't spin and I have to hit the cancel button to reset it. It happens intermittently, but almost always takes about 3-4 selections before it will decide to play. I 've been able to just nudge it with my fingers and it will work for a while, but it never lasts. I'm not positive, but It might be even related to the track numbers I pick, it seems that it always happens on the lower to middle numbers, but the highers numbers seem to play more often without the problem. I guess I'm looking at some help in general where I need to look. Or what needs to be adjusted. If you have an idea, I would love to hear it. thanks for reading. Jon From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 13 13:17:31 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 13 13:20:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems Message-ID: <20091113.161731.12262.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Michael: If my history serves me correctly the 16 2/3 RPM record speed was developed in the late 50s, primarily as a long-play playback device for"books for the blind". Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Medical Insurance Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ouNLR_BNJo2jrz8jOaymbAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAAY9nT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgBgAAAAA= From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri Nov 13 14:16:08 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Fri Nov 13 14:17:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi D80 mech shroud In-Reply-To: <496304233.2334551258150454560.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1931552190.2335571258150568000.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Can anyone confirm if the D80 was supposed to have a mech shroud? All the pictures I have seen and You Tube videos I have watched, do not show a mech shroud installed. Without one, there is no place to mount the needle brush. Thanks. Rich From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 13 14:21:48 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 13 14:24:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi D80 mech shroud Message-ID: <20091113.172148.19538.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Rich: The AMI D series 45 RPM jukes do not have a mech. shroud. The later models do. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Medical Insurance Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=jxP8k-b_4u343A3Q4l2zFwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAAY9nT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgBgAAAAA= From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 13 14:44:22 2009 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Bud Wintermantel) Date: Fri Nov 13 14:52:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 478 you've all gone very quiet In-Reply-To: <5700C56801FA4E67B370C8926A568A27@DBTOA000> Message-ID: <329754.89807.qm@web82405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Luke,All of the components are identical except the select button assembly. I think it would be a wise investment to purchase the 477 as a parts machine if the price is right. The various components are sometimes hard to find and when you do they can be pricey. The last time I checked VG for a profit center module (#52225) it was $125.00. Good Luck BudMagalia Ca. USABeyond Paradise --- On Fri, 11/13/09, luke & lucy wrote: From: luke & lucy Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 478 you've all gone very quiet To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:44 AM HI all thanks to Glyn and Bob for replying good to know Im not alone in the UK. As for the rest of you if anyone knows the answer (do the 477 and 478 share many parts) please let me know I have an ebay deadline to beat. I realise many of you wont know the answer and none of us wants to flood the message board with hundreds of messages saying "sorry no idea" but surely someone knows something. I know how rubbish my juke is and that its not worth fixing but jukes are even rarer in the uk and cost even more (currently a 478 on ebay for ?1100) this is what I have, all I can afford, I love it and want to see it working again. Jay, Ron and the rest of you Jedi "help me Obi-Wan you're my only hope" thanks in advance Luke _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Nov 13 15:01:49 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Nov 13 15:03:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <265631.2540.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy's, Seeburg also owned and operated the BGM system in many large cities, and some small ones too--They started using AM sidebands in the early to mid seventies here for music distribution --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 9:04 AM Jim, this helps so much. As usual you are a wealth of information. Do you know roughly when they went to satellite and stopped using the 16rpm records? Mike P.s. I found a site that is actually still RENTING out these records. Who would think they'd be a demand for this today? http://us.zilok.com/location/141967-seeburg-1000-background-music-record s.html?l=85523 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, November, 13 11:52 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems Michael: Seeburg background music service equipment was primarily leased to end-user businesses by Seeburg appointed operators and sound contractors, and paid for by the month.???The cost of the service included new records being mailed out each month to the client, and old or unwanted records were to be exchanged/returned. The cost of the monthly service also included public performance ASCAP/BMI fees paid for commercial music use. As technology progressed, Seeburg began using special frequency FM transmitters and receivers to deliver fresh music to BGM customers, rather than maintaining an on-premise record or tape player. Most commercial BGM service today is delivered by satellite receiver or via an internet connection.? Some music services are associated with satellite TV carriers Dish Network and Direct TV. Hope this helps your research, Jim Alexander? ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=lFr5fTYhWtKjh2CR9IWhMQA AJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPaWqT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQA AAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Nov 13 15:07:43 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Nov 13 15:09:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems In-Reply-To: <20091113.131246.7272.2@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <332667.24709.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy's, The "T" needle used in BGM machines is NOT interchangeable with the stereo "T" needle. It is "special" and red in color(carts are interchangeable) --Ron Rich --- On Fri, 11/13/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 10:12 AM Michael: Wow, that's expensive!? ? Most businesses today pay an average of $50-75 a month for a current BGM service, capable of delivering? continous fresh music choices.???This price includes public music performance fees. It's my understanding that the Sirius/XM service is cheaper than that. At $3 per day per record, for a pkg of 25, that's an average cost of $90/month--plus the customer has the cost of maintaing operating the Seeburg record player.? Most of those old 1000 style 16 RPM phonos use the no-longer-made stereo "T" shaped stylii that are in limited supply and expensive to buy. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Nk9tJd4RydHLHU4W67Kf6QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPaWqT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Nov 13 16:20:21 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Nov 13 16:21:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <220125.33885.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > I've had great difficulty finding WHEN exactly the 16 rpm > record formay was created, and by whom.? You might try emailing Dr. Mike Biel ( mbiel@MBIEL.COM ). He's probably the world's leading authority on the history of various (grooved) recording formats. He wrote his doctoral thesis on broadcast transcriptions. If anyone knows, it's him. From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Fri Nov 13 16:39:31 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Fri Nov 13 17:41:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems Message-ID: Hey Ron! Yes the red stylus was special, I have some and they are listed to be .5 mil. You can really notice the difference when playing a BGM system with them, much louder and no surface noise! Mel From jay at west.net Fri Nov 13 19:06:38 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Nov 13 19:08:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Searchable archives Message-ID: <4AFE1EBE.4070801@west.net> One feature that has been somewhat lacking on the list has been a searchable archive. Google does a reasonable job of spidering the web URL for the archives, but there are occasional gaps. The folks at Markmail provide searchable list archives for a number of technical lists to which I subscribe, and they've added the jukebox list at my request. You can now search by keyword, author, etc. all the way back to 1999. Have fun! (And, please search the archives before posting a new question in case it's been covered, thanks!) URL: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dpenoff at mac.com Fri Nov 13 19:19:57 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Fri Nov 13 19:21:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Tone Arm Landing In-Reply-To: <20091111.111850.7027.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091111.111850.7027.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Any suggestions on a source for the 2N2919 TO-3 transistors that are used in the output stages? They don't seem to be readily available on the Web - I've only found one source, so far. Thanks, Dan On Nov 11, 2009, at 11:18 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Dan: > > Your W3860 should be equipped with the # 556 amplifier. The hum you are hearing is probably a shorted output transistor that will have to be replaced. > Wurlitzer issued several tech bulletins outlining minor circuit changes that needed to be made in the field to improve the stability of these amplifiers. You may need to check to see whether your amp was ever updated. > > Possibly this might change the values of a few of the caps you need to install. There are several resistor values that need to be changed as well. > > If you go to John Robertson's website www.flippers.com, he's posted a tech help section there that covers the 556 amplifier modifications nicely. > > Jim Alexander > > From dpenoff at mac.com Fri Nov 13 19:26:24 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Fri Nov 13 19:28:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Tone Arm Landing In-Reply-To: References: <20091111.111850.7027.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Ooops! Got the number wrong! The transistors are 140612, which makes them a 2N5882. Sorry about that... Dan On Nov 13, 2009, at 10:19 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Any suggestions on a source for the 2N2919 TO-3 transistors that are used in the output stages? They don't seem to be readily available on the Web - I've only found one source, so far. > > Thanks, > > Dan > > > On Nov 11, 2009, at 11:18 AM, James Alexander wrote: > >> >> >> Dan: >> >> Your W3860 should be equipped with the # 556 amplifier. The hum you are hearing is probably a shorted output transistor that will have to be replaced. >> Wurlitzer issued several tech bulletins outlining minor circuit changes that needed to be made in the field to improve the stability of these amplifiers. You may need to check to see whether your amp was ever updated. >> >> Possibly this might change the values of a few of the caps you need to install. There are several resistor values that need to be changed as well. >> >> If you go to John Robertson's website www.flippers.com, he's posted a tech help section there that covers the 556 amplifier modifications nicely. >> >> Jim Alexander >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jugert at msn.com Fri Nov 13 19:36:08 2009 From: jugert at msn.com (Don Jugert) Date: Fri Nov 13 19:42:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Searchable archives In-Reply-To: <4AFE1EBE.4070801@west.net> References: <4AFE1EBE.4070801@west.net> Message-ID: Thanks Jay, this is great news!!!! 41 thousand messages we can now search. Don Jugert Colorado > Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:06:38 -0800 > From: jay@west.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Searchable archives > > One feature that has been somewhat lacking on the list has been a > searchable archive. Google does a reasonable job of spidering the web > URL for the archives, but there are occasional gaps. > > The folks at Markmail provide searchable list archives for a number of > technical lists to which I subscribe, and they've added the jukebox list > at my request. > > You can now search by keyword, author, etc. all the way back to 1999. > > Have fun! > > (And, please search the archives before posting a new question in case > it's been covered, thanks!) > > URL: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Nov 13 19:48:21 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Nov 13 19:49:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <263716.31871.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Mel, Where did you see that listing ? I knew that they were less than .7, but I thought that? read .6 somewhere ?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Mel Knight wrote: From: Mel Knight Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 4:39 PM Hey Ron!? Yes the red stylus was special, I have some and they are listed to be .5 mil. You can really notice the difference when playing a BGM system with them, much louder and no surface noise!? Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Nov 13 20:08:30 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Nov 13 20:10:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <591606.11367.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Mel Knight wrote: > Hey Ron! Yes the red stylus was > special, I have some and they are listed to be .5 mil. You > can really > notice the difference when playing a BGM system with them, > much louder and no surface noise! Although you can play them with a regular LP stylus. One of the things that leads to surface noise is the fact that the groove is under-modulated as compared to a regular LP record. This, along with heavy compression (to make the loudest and softest passages audible above the location's beckground noise) enabled a much finer groove pitch. This allowed more songs per side than if the record had been cut as a regular LP was. I have at least one Christmas set (maybe two - I've got to look). On these sets, there is a Christmas song one out of maybe every 3 or 4. I've always wanted to transfer those songs to CD to provide a "corporate" yuletide backdrop for a Christmas party, but my guests would balk at not being able to use the Seeburg M100-A (inside) and the AMI G-200 (outside) for Christmas music. On a related note, Muzak itself released a Christmas album called (if I remember correctly) "Stinulus Progression Christmas". I have a copy of it. Each side is a regular Muzak "stimulus progression" series of Christmas songs just like they would have programmed for their service. I did make a CD of that. I even put the required five minutes of silence between each side. :-) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Nov 13 20:19:24 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Nov 13 20:20:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Searchable archives In-Reply-To: <4AFE1EBE.4070801@west.net> Message-ID: <267513.65925.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, This is great--is there a way that the URL can be added to every post just as the other two are ?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: [Jukebox-list] Searchable archives To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 7:06 PM One feature that has been somewhat lacking on the list has been a searchable archive.? Google does a reasonable job of spidering the web URL for the archives, but there are occasional gaps. The folks at Markmail provide searchable list archives for a number of technical lists to which I subscribe, and they've added the jukebox list at my request. You can now search by keyword, author, etc. all the way back to 1999. Have fun! (And, please search the archives before posting a new question in case it's been covered, thanks!) URL:? http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 13 23:07:09 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 13 23:10:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Tone Arm Landing Message-ID: <20091114.020709.4451.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Dan: The 2N5882 is a hi-power silicon NPN transistor in a TO-3 case that should be widely available. This translates in the NTE semiconductor line to # NTE181. If needed NTE180 is the PNP complementary transistor to the NTE181. Most electronics parts houses carry the NTE line. Cost each is approx $8-10 ea. If you want to buy from an on line source, go to www.partsexpress.com. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=JV373lFSxKA1SksXqgpBHgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPaWqT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Nov 14 04:08:57 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Nov 14 04:09:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems Message-ID: <13A0FE5152A343EBA80B7A623B88BCA7@VistaServer> Hey Ron! In the 70's I used to do work for a local Seeburg distributor (SEFCO) I used to change the records in systems (boy do I have a record collection)!! In training we were told to only use the .5 mil red styli in these systems, so maybe the envelope was marked by the distributor I worked for?? I still have 2 pair of sealed red styli and the envelope they are stored in says .5 mil not for standard play systems. On a side note, I have several sets of 70's industrial records (yellow label) and if you play them with a standard stylus you can almost not hear the voices in the songs, There are several selections mixed in (almost all Beatles songs) that have full vocals, an experiment at the time..... Mel From donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com Sat Nov 14 06:27:48 2009 From: donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com (luke & lucy) Date: Sat Nov 14 06:29:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke Message-ID: Hi all thanks to those who replied regarding 477 and 478 having some of the same parts. I might have another option someone in my home town is selling a grand salon for spares (now thats an ugly juke). So hear comes my dumb question - this has no microprocessor but is only a year older so do these share any parts with the 478? Now the really dumb question - is it possible or even worthwhile trying to put some or all of the workings from the grand salon into the more stylish 478 body. (I'm assuming that the Grand Salon is a better juke as no microprocessor). Hope thats not 2 horrific an image for anyone but better than the other way around - imagine a microprocessor heart beating inside a plastic fake wood body - pitchforks at the ready! Cheers Luke From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat Nov 14 06:31:08 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat Nov 14 06:35:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 turntable problem References: <803330400911131247m2e3d232fo5311d11477ccbdb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007d01ca6537$1fdec420$6101a8c0@Dirksen> It could be two things - the turntable may not be lifting high enough - this can be caused by bent linkages or warped castings or that the clutch is mis-adjusted and opening too soon so the roller is not at the highest point on the cam. There is also an eccentric screw you can adjust to make it lift just a bit higher. If you can play the top record OK (the needle clears the tray as it swings over), then this is probably not your problem. The other thing I would check is the collar on the bottom of the turntable shaft that this spring sits on - it may be set too low. There is a set screw you can loosen and move the collar and spring upwards to engage better. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "JE" To: Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 turntable problem > Greetings. > > I am still learning how my Wurlitzer 600 works. I am having a bit of a > problem currently. > The part of the operating process where the turntable drive spring meets > the > pin on the drive gear. > I hope I'm using the correct terms. > > There is a misalignment and the pin is not hitting the spring correctly > and > spins around clacking against it. > The turntable obviously won't spin and I have to hit the cancel button to > reset it. > It happens intermittently, but almost always takes about 3-4 selections > before it will decide to play. I > 've been able to just nudge it with my fingers and it will work for a > while, > but it never lasts. > I'm not positive, but It might be even related to the track numbers I > pick, > it seems that it always happens > on the lower to middle numbers, but the highers numbers seem to play more > often without the problem. > > I guess I'm looking at some help in general where I need to look. Or what > needs to be adjusted. > If you have an idea, I would love to hear it. > > > thanks for reading. > Jon > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 14 06:42:37 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Sat Nov 14 06:44:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI continental 1 problem Message-ID: <971791.97429.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dont you just love it when you fix one problem and another one occurs. Heres my position at the moment with my continental 1. I can make a selection, pin is punched in and everything cycles fine except the carousel keeps spinning and doesnt stop to pick up the record, I can here a click as it passes the selected record, but thats it. I am figuring there is possibly a switch out of adjustment somewhere, but not sure where to look. Can anyone help or steer me in the right direction. The annoying thing is that the machine had been working fine, but recently the records were not rejecting by normal methods. I took the transfer motor apart, cleaned it put it back, and this has normally cured the problem in the past, but now this additional problem has occured. I wonder if the two are connected. any help would be appreciated. Thanks Gary From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Nov 14 07:07:59 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Nov 14 07:09:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems In-Reply-To: <13A0FE5152A343EBA80B7A623B88BCA7@VistaServer> Message-ID: <73053.53578.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Mel--? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Mel Knight wrote: From: Mel Knight Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:16 rpm Seeburg Background Music Systems To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 4:08 AM Hey Ron! ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? In the 70's I used to do work for a local Seeburg distributor (SEFCO) I used to change the records in systems (boy do I have a record collection)!! In training we were told to only use the .5 mil red styli in these systems, so maybe the envelope was marked by the distributor I worked for?? I still have 2 pair of sealed red styli and the envelope they are stored in says .5 mil not for standard play systems. On a side note, I have several sets of 70's industrial records (yellow label) and if you play them with a standard stylus you can almost not hear the voices in the songs, There are several selections mixed in (almost all Beatles songs)? that have full vocals, an experiment at the time..... Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pat2355 at aol.com Sat Nov 14 08:11:21 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sat Nov 14 08:13:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC335C3D3FDFDE-2AF0-A43E@webmail-d053.sysops.aol.com> Hey now that Grand Salon II #476 was my first jukebox. There's no need to talk about her like that ! Some men like their ladies with little of that Mediterranean hairy look. Mine has been my most reliable juke I've owned and she was high styling in her day. -----Original Message----- From: luke & lucy To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 6:27 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke Hi all thanks to those who replied regarding 477 and 478 having some of the same parts. I might have another option someone in my home town is selling a grand salon for spares (now thats an ugly juke). So hear comes my dumb question - this has no microprocessor but is only a year older so do these share any parts with the 478? Now the really dumb question - is it possible or even worthwhile trying to put some or all of the workings from the grand salon into the more stylish 478 body. (I'm assuming that the Grand Salon is a better juke as no microprocessor). Hope thats not 2 horrific an image for anyone but better than the other way around - imagine a microprocessor heart beating inside a plastic fake wood body - pitchforks at the ready! Cheers Luke _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Nov 14 08:17:35 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Nov 14 08:19:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI continental 1 problem In-Reply-To: <971791.97429.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <971791.97429.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901ca6545$fa671990$ef354cb0$@force9.co.uk> Hi Gary, does the problem occur for both A and B side selections ? Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Gary Young Sent: 14 November 2009 14:43 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI continental 1 problem Dont you just love it when you fix one problem and another one occurs. Heres my position at the moment with my continental 1. I can make a selection, pin is punched in and everything cycles fine except the carousel keeps spinning and doesnt stop to pick up the record, I can here a click as it passes the selected record, but thats it. I am figuring there is possibly a switch out of adjustment somewhere, but not sure where to look. Can anyone help or steer me in the right direction. The annoying thing is that the machine had been working fine, but recently the records were not rejecting by normal methods. I took the transfer motor apart, cleaned it put it back, and this has normally cured the problem in the past, but now this additional problem has occured. I wonder if the two are connected. any help would be appreciated. Thanks Gary _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Nov 14 08:24:29 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Nov 14 08:26:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01ca6546$f1252560$d36f7020$@force9.co.uk> Hi Luke, There are very few interchangeable parts between the two. Even the amplifier and power supply are different - only turntable and motors / speakers are the same. There is a microprocessor Grand Salon as well as the electro mechanical one, I can't remember the number though. One of those would suit you as a parts donor. However, the Grand Salon is ultimately reliable / easily maintainable, and a good sound. Parts are easily available but you wouldn't really need any either way. Only 2 microprocessor chips and they are in the preamp only - so nothing to worry about. (just shut your eyes when listening to it ;-) ) Regards Nigel, UK. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of luke & lucy Sent: 14 November 2009 14:28 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke Hi all thanks to those who replied regarding 477 and 478 having some of the same parts. I might have another option someone in my home town is selling a grand salon for spares (now thats an ugly juke). So hear comes my dumb question - this has no microprocessor but is only a year older so do these share any parts with the 478? Now the really dumb question - is it possible or even worthwhile trying to put some or all of the workings from the grand salon into the more stylish 478 body. (I'm assuming that the Grand Salon is a better juke as no microprocessor). Hope thats not 2 horrific an image for anyone but better than the other way around - imagine a microprocessor heart beating inside a plastic fake wood body - pitchforks at the ready! Cheers Luke _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pat2355 at aol.com Sat Nov 14 08:37:01 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sat Nov 14 08:39:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke "AS IS" In-Reply-To: <002a01ca6546$f1252560$d36f7020$@force9.co.uk> References: <002a01ca6546$f1252560$d36f7020$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <8CC335FD3B37D67-2AF0-A821@webmail-d053.sysops.aol.com> WHAT THE HELL !!! I own one of these ladies and if you FREDS don't speak a little nicer about her I'm huntin' long pork. FRED (had a boss with that name and instead of dumb f*ck, dumb FRED seems so approiate). You bought her "AS IS" right? hahahahahha Pat -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Pugh To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 8:24 am Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke Hi Luke, There are very few interchangeable parts between the two. Even the amplifier and power supply are different - only turntable and motors / speakers are the same. There is a microprocessor Grand Salon as well as the electro mechanical one, I can't remember the number though. One of those would suit you as a parts donor. However, the Grand Salon is ultimately reliable / easily maintainable, and a good sound. Parts are easily available but you wouldn't really need any either way. Only 2 microprocessor chips and they are in the preamp only - so nothing to worry about. (just shut your eyes when listening to it ;-) ) Regards Nigel, UK. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of luke & lucy Sent: 14 November 2009 14:28 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke Hi all thanks to those who replied regarding 477 and 478 having some of the same parts. I might have another option someone in my home town is selling a grand salon for spares (now thats an ugly juke). So hear comes my dumb question - this has no microprocessor but is only a year older so do these share any parts with the 478? Now the really dumb question - is it possible or even worthwhile trying to put some or all of the workings from the grand salon into the more stylish 478 body. (I'm assuming that the Grand Salon is a better juke as no microprocessor). Hope thats not 2 horrific an image for anyone but better than the other way around - imagine a microprocessor heart beating inside a plastic fake wood body - pitchforks at the ready! Cheers Luke _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From steve.lane at dishmail.net Sat Nov 14 09:57:02 2009 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Sat Nov 14 10:30:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record maga z ine assembly In-Reply-To: <20091106.191714.17450.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091106.191714.17450.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <61088cf90911140957v343c4a17va22d970ad6886b9a@mail.gmail.com> OK, So I replaced the transfer switch and found some problems with the override switch. I have the unit working some of the time. The problem that I am having now is the side 1 readout switch is flaky and does not make up consistently. The side 2 switch is better but I think it may need replacement as well. I have called around but have not been able to find these switches yet. Does anyone have any of these in their back pocket or know where they may be available? I tried the shops that you mentioned Jim but no luck. Thanks a lot guys for all of your help on this thing. Steve On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:17 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > There are lots of second hand parts available for the Wurlamatic record > changers if you need to buy something. > They are quite common so parts are usually not expensive. > > The Wurlamatic record changer was used with US built Wurlitzer jukes in the > 1970's. Used from model 3400 through 3800, plus the 7500 and 1050 models. > The German-built Wurlitzers used a similar looking mech but a number of > details on it are different so I wouldn't look to a German unit for spare > parts. > You should have detailed photos of the gripper arm in your service manual. > That should help you visually ID any incorrect parts. > > The usual places to go for salvage jukebox parts are Durfee Coin Op in MA. > (web: www.jukeboxparts.com) and Bill Butterfield on the west coast. Not > sure, but I think his web address is www.jukebox-parts.com. > > There are other places to go if neither of these has he oparts you're > looking for. > > Jim Alexander > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Medical Billing Online > Jump start your career with a Medical Billing & Coding Degree Online. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=HExGwg7danDvr2ovyyjKAgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAHoeLz4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSJGQAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Nov 14 12:09:01 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Nov 14 12:12:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record maga z ine assembly Message-ID: <20091114.150901.17974.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Steve: Before you begin chasing for new readout microswitches,see your service manual RE: the mechanical alignment and positioning of these switches. Positioning for correct operation is critical. Switch contacts also make in the "normal" position--the 2 switches are wired in series with each other,you may need only one. The odd and even side switches are slightly different from each other mechanically and do not interchange. These switches are made by Microswitch (now Honeywell) and new exact replacements are not being manufactured.In my opinion, you should find replacements from a salvaged Wurlamatic model record changer. New version microswitches can be adapted to work, but it's a job fitting them. Wurlamatics were used for 3400-3500-3600-3700-3800-7500-1050 model jukeboxes,and should be plentiful. The nationally known parts salvage companies are Durfee Coin op in MA. (www.jukeboxparts.com) Bill Butterfield in CA. (www.jukebox-parts.com) Victory Glass in IA. has some OEM parts (www.victoryglass.com) and so does Vern Tisdale in AZ. (www.verntisdale.com) There is a poster on this list, John Robertson in Vancouver BC (www.flippers.com) that may have old US Wurl parts to sell, not sure. If none of these pan out, contact me off list and I can point you to some other parts providers that do not want to be nationally known. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Doctoral Degrees Online Explore our directory of degrees. Move ahead with a Doctorate Degree! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=KamX-qnviv_dbwOq4XS00QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAALx0kz4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkSEAAAAAA= From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Nov 14 15:31:02 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Nov 14 15:32:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pioneer CJ-v55 Dip switch settings Message-ID: <4E9CB13179ED4AA4A3F44112D2DD1734@dennis1cb9fd78> Hi- would anyone know how to set the dip switch settings for time/duration of the freeplay/ random play settings on my Pioneer CJ-v55 laser jukebox ? I would like to set it for a longer in~between time on the random plays setting if possible. Thanks-Dennis. From steve.lane at dishmail.net Sat Nov 14 15:31:55 2009 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Sat Nov 14 15:33:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record maga z ine assembly In-Reply-To: <20091114.150901.17974.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091114.150901.17974.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <61088cf90911141531rf1e1125g221da678768b848f@mail.gmail.com> I have been reading that manual. Especially the sequence of operations. It is the side 1 switch that is bad. Whenever I actuate the switch, the relays start ratcheting. The side 2 switch might be ok but it gets it's power through the side 1 switch. I was going to replace them both if they are available. I sent emails to a couple of the sources that you mentioned. I already had heard back from a couple of them before (Durfee and Butterfield) that they do not have them. I also had sent inquiries to others that haven't gotten back to me yet. I'll give it a few days and maybe something will pan out. Thanks Steve On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 12:09 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Steve: > > Before you begin chasing for new readout microswitches,see your service > manual RE: the mechanical alignment and positioning of these switches. > Positioning for correct operation is critical. Switch contacts also make in > the "normal" position--the 2 switches are wired in series with each > other,you may need only one. > > The odd and even side switches are slightly different from each other > mechanically and do not interchange. > > These switches are made by Microswitch (now Honeywell) and new exact > replacements are not being manufactured.In my opinion, you should find > replacements from a salvaged Wurlamatic model record changer. New version > microswitches can be adapted to work, but it's a job fitting them. > Wurlamatics were used for 3400-3500-3600-3700-3800-7500-1050 model > jukeboxes,and should be plentiful. > > The nationally known parts salvage companies are Durfee Coin op in MA. ( > www.jukeboxparts.com) Bill Butterfield in CA. (www.jukebox-parts.com) > Victory Glass in IA. has some OEM parts (www.victoryglass.com) and so > does Vern Tisdale in AZ. (www.verntisdale.com) There is a poster on > this list, John Robertson in Vancouver BC (www.flippers.com) that may have > old US Wurl parts to sell, not sure. > If none of these pan out, contact me off list and I can point you to some > other parts providers that do not want to be nationally known. > > Hope this helps, > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Doctoral Degrees Online > Explore our directory of degrees. Move ahead with a Doctorate Degree! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=KamX-qnviv_dbwOq4XS00QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAALx0kz4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkSEAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From chisler at jps.net Sat Nov 14 11:21:18 2009 From: chisler at jps.net (Daniel Chisler) Date: Sat Nov 14 17:03:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1442 Backround Gold Quilt Message-ID: <4AFF032E.3090008@jps.net> Does any one know any where to get anything 1/2" Quilted .Looking threw shower curtains , wall papers , contact papers , plexiglass, sheet metals . Anything so I can get the correct look on the back door background on my rockola 1442 .will go way out of the way to get the look . If I can find plex i can cast the part and gold plat it . or gold plate the plastic . If i can find sheet metal I can gold plate it . Has any one else had to deal with this problem ? I have a sample of some plastic comming in from Oliver Stammin in germany . will report back if it looks okay . daniel@chisler.net From dad2kam at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 10:54:24 2009 From: dad2kam at gmail.com (Tom Mc) Date: Sat Nov 14 17:03:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SL2 Message-ID: I have a Seeburg Select-O-Matic SL-2, where can I find out about its value and possibly sell it? Thank you, Tom From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 11 18:48:14 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Sat Nov 14 17:04:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT:looking for candy machine manual Message-ID: <992869.15881.qm@web63204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hello...I just bought an old candy vending machine to add to my jukebox & pinball machine in my retro game room,and I'm trying to find a manual for it.It is a national vendors machine,and enclosed please find 2 pics-one is the metal ID tag on the back.I have no clue what model # it is ,or when year it was made.It also says "national vending cc deluxe" on the front.if the pics dont come out email me direct if you can help ID this for me.Was looking for a website or a group forum that's into this stuff but no luck.thanks for any help you can give. Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball p.s. if the pics dont work where can I put them so e1 can see?? ? From Velmer.Smith at robins.af.mil Fri Nov 13 10:53:07 2009 From: Velmer.Smith at robins.af.mil (Smith, Velmer L Civ USAF AFMC 575 CBSS/GBLB) Date: Sat Nov 14 17:05:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1959 Wurlitzers 2300 & 2300S Message-ID: <67D2F761D5FE53439063B3B97AB9F945B64683@VFGAMLMC11.Enterprise.afmc.ds.af.mil> Roy, Do you know anyone locally (with in 150 miles)who is doing total rebuilds ? The structures are sound and the cabinets show their age as character. Internals need mechanical adjustment and rebuild of amps and speakers. thanks Roy Velmer L. Smith Chief, Air Superiority Missiles & Targets Flight 575 CBSS/GBLB Robins AFB GA (478)327-4321 DSN 497-4321 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Nov 14 22:20:32 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Nov 14 22:22:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SL2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <609180.34202.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tom, You might be able to find out here-but you will need to correct the model number that you have listed--it does not exist--? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Tom Mc wrote: From: Tom Mc Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SL2 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 10:54 AM I have a Seeburg Select-O-Matic SL-2, where can I find out about its value and possibly sell it? Thank you, Tom _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Nov 14 23:00:16 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Nov 14 23:04:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SL2 Message-ID: <20091115.020016.25667.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Tom: If your Seeburg is a jukebox, there's no such model number as an SL-2. Your machine should have a nameplate or an ID sticker on the back of it with the model number. If the plate is missing take a picture and post it here, we might be able to help you. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Free Phone System Price Quotes Get free phone system price quotes from multiple dealers and save! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=OVo4lzRI6LFmdRGxBGg25wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAKD5hT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIVMAAAAAA= From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Nov 15 02:07:35 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Nov 15 02:09:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke In-Reply-To: <002a01ca6546$f1252560$d36f7020$@force9.co.uk> References: <002a01ca6546$f1252560$d36f7020$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <001d01ca65db$7482e8e0$5d88baa0$@force9.co.uk> Luke, If you were up for a challenge and a bit of butchery I think you could massage the electro mechanical workings into the 478. Although different, the amp and power supply are the same physical size, so will swap. You will need to swap the mech and all its mounting bracketry from one to the other. Complete wiring loom will need swapping. You will have 2 challenges - the record now playing indicator and the selector button assemblies. This is where you will need to be creative. You could re-print the Record Now Playing numbers horizontally and mount that in place of the existing LED indicator. Button bank is completely different so would need swapping. However the numbers on the Grand Salon buttons will now be sideways on. Hmm you may need to cannibalise the 477 buttons somehow. Swap the speakers too, the bass units have larger /deeper magnets in the Grand Salon, Good luck ;-) Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Pugh Sent: 14 November 2009 16:24 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke Hi Luke, There are very few interchangeable parts between the two. Even the amplifier and power supply are different - only turntable and motors / speakers are the same. There is a microprocessor Grand Salon as well as the electro mechanical one, I can't remember the number though. One of those would suit you as a parts donor. However, the Grand Salon is ultimately reliable / easily maintainable, and a good sound. Parts are easily available but you wouldn't really need any either way. Only 2 microprocessor chips and they are in the preamp only - so nothing to worry about. (just shut your eyes when listening to it ;-) ) Regards Nigel, UK. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of luke & lucy Sent: 14 November 2009 14:28 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke Hi all thanks to those who replied regarding 477 and 478 having some of the same parts. I might have another option someone in my home town is selling a grand salon for spares (now thats an ugly juke). So hear comes my dumb question - this has no microprocessor but is only a year older so do these share any parts with the 478? Now the really dumb question - is it possible or even worthwhile trying to put some or all of the workings from the grand salon into the more stylish 478 body. (I'm assuming that the Grand Salon is a better juke as no microprocessor). Hope thats not 2 horrific an image for anyone but better than the other way around - imagine a microprocessor heart beating inside a plastic fake wood body - pitchforks at the ready! Cheers Luke _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dpenoff at mac.com Sun Nov 15 05:06:05 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Sun Nov 15 05:07:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Tone Arm Landing In-Reply-To: <20091114.020709.4451.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091114.020709.4451.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <58385399749509947546418234763037011116-Webmail@me.com> Thanks Jim. I ordered a set from my electronics supplier on Friday. NTE181, a set of four. I think they were around $8/each. Might as well do all four along with the recap job. Sending my CD Pro drive from my Rowe CD100I off to Bruce on Monday, too, so I'll be juke-less for a few weeks now. Dan On Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 02:07AM, "James Alexander" wrote: > >Dan: > >The 2N5882 is a hi-power silicon NPN transistor in a TO-3 case that should be widely available. This translates in the NTE semiconductor line to # NTE181. If needed NTE180 is the PNP complementary transistor to the NTE181. >Most electronics parts houses carry the NTE line. Cost each is approx $8-10 ea. > >If you want to buy from an on line source, go to www.partsexpress.com. > >Jim Alexander From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 15 06:55:16 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Sun Nov 15 06:57:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI continental 1 problem In-Reply-To: <002901ca6545$fa671990$ef354cb0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <356708.77066.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Nigel, thanks for the reply, yes it does happen on both A and B sides. I am suspecting the number 6 cam switch is out of adjustment. Could be wrong, but have a vague recollection that this was the problem a long time ago. Regards Gary --- On Sat, 14/11/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: > From: Nigel Pugh > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI continental 1 problem > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Date: Saturday, 14 November, 2009, 16:17 > Hi Gary, does the problem occur for > both A and B side selections ? > > Nigel, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] > On Behalf Of Gary Young > Sent: 14 November 2009 14:43 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI continental 1 problem > > Dont you just love it when you fix one problem and another > one occurs. Heres my position at the moment with my > continental 1. I can make a selection, pin is punched in and > everything cycles fine except the carousel keeps spinning > and doesnt stop to pick up the record, I can here a click as > it passes the selected record, but thats it. I am figuring > there is possibly a switch out of adjustment somewhere, but > not sure where to look. Can anyone help or steer me in the > right direction. The annoying thing is that the machine had > been working fine, but recently the records were not > rejecting by normal methods. I took the transfer motor > apart, cleaned it put it back, and this has normally cured > the problem in the past, but now this additional problem has > occured. I wonder if the two are connected. > > any help would be appreciated. > > > Thanks > > Gary > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Nov 15 07:29:16 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Nov 15 07:31:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI continental 1 problem In-Reply-To: <356708.77066.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <002901ca6545$fa671990$ef354cb0$@force9.co.uk> <356708.77066.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701ca6608$64f638f0$2ee2aad0$@force9.co.uk> Hi Gary, Yes, possibly. A and B side both playing up will rule out the stop switches. The cam switches on a Continental are pretty simple to adjust - one of the nice things about the Continental; that earlier model mechs don't have. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Gary Young Sent: 15 November 2009 14:55 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI continental 1 problem Hi Nigel, thanks for the reply, yes it does happen on both A and B sides. I am suspecting the number 6 cam switch is out of adjustment. Could be wrong, but have a vague recollection that this was the problem a long time ago. Regards Gary --- On Sat, 14/11/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: > From: Nigel Pugh > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI continental 1 problem > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Date: Saturday, 14 November, 2009, 16:17 > Hi Gary, does the problem occur for > both A and B side selections ? > > Nigel, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] > On Behalf Of Gary Young > Sent: 14 November 2009 14:43 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI continental 1 problem > > Dont you just love it when you fix one problem and another > one occurs. Heres my position at the moment with my > continental 1. I can make a selection, pin is punched in and > everything cycles fine except the carousel keeps spinning > and doesnt stop to pick up the record, I can here a click as > it passes the selected record, but thats it. I am figuring > there is possibly a switch out of adjustment somewhere, but > not sure where to look. Can anyone help or steer me in the > right direction. The annoying thing is that the machine had > been working fine, but recently the records were not > rejecting by normal methods. I took the transfer motor > apart, cleaned it put it back, and this has normally cured > the problem in the past, but now this additional problem has > occured. I wonder if the two are connected. > > any help would be appreciated. > > > Thanks > > Gary > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From tdkuhns at dejazzd.com Sun Nov 15 06:41:39 2009 From: tdkuhns at dejazzd.com (Terry Kuhns) Date: Sun Nov 15 07:44:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 Max gripper arm Message-ID: I have a Rockola 447 Max juke a friend wanted repaired. The machine is having a problem with the gripper arm and would like some insight into what I need to do or what areas to look at to address the problem. When a selection is made, the magazine turns and the gripper arm picks up the record and places it on the turntable. There is no issue with picking it out of the magazine. After the song has played, 9 times out of 10 it will not grab the record and place it back in the magazine. It seems to me like the gripper arm starts raising before the it completely grabs the record. Is there a way to adjust this timing or an adjustment that needs attention I should be looking at? I have the manuals but I'm relatively new to jukebox workings. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, Terry Kuhns From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Nov 15 08:41:29 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Nov 15 08:43:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 Max gripper arm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <33154.78892.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Terry, Very simple solution --do NOT attempt to "adjust" anything, as it's not needed. Lack of proper (SAE 20 wt, ND) oil is your problem. Search this list, and you will find it comes up often. http://jukebox.markman.org/? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Terry Kuhns wrote: From: Terry Kuhns Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 Max gripper arm To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 6:41 AM I have a Rockola 447 Max juke a friend wanted repaired. The machine is having a problem with the gripper arm and would like some insight into what I need to do or what areas to look at to address the problem. When a selection is made, the magazine turns and the gripper arm picks up the record and places it on the turntable. There is no issue with picking it out of the magazine. After the song has played, 9 times out of 10 it will not grab the record and place it back in the magazine. It seems to me like the gripper arm starts raising before the it completely grabs the record. Is there a way to adjust this timing or an adjustment that needs attention I should be looking at? I have the manuals but I'm relatively new to jukebox workings. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, Terry Kuhns _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Nov 15 08:54:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Nov 15 08:56:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 Max gripper arm In-Reply-To: <33154.78892.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <830869.87539.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I goofed up the URL--should be http://jukebox.markmail.org/? Sorry 'bout that ! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 Max gripper arm To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 8:41 AM Terry, Very simple solution --do NOT attempt to "adjust" anything, as it's not needed. Lack of proper (SAE 20 wt, ND) oil is your problem. Search this list, and you will find it comes up often. http://jukebox.markman.org/? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Terry Kuhns wrote: From: Terry Kuhns Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 Max gripper arm To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 6:41 AM I have a Rockola 447 Max juke a friend wanted repaired. The machine is having a problem with the gripper arm and would like some insight into what I need to do or what areas to look at to address the problem. When a selection is made, the magazine turns and the gripper arm picks up the record and places it on the turntable. There is no issue with picking it out of the magazine. After the song has played, 9 times out of 10 it will not grab the record and place it back in the magazine. It seems to me like the gripper arm starts raising before the it completely grabs the record. Is there a way to adjust this timing or an adjustment that needs attention I should be looking at? I have the manuals but I'm relatively new to jukebox workings. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, Terry Kuhns _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Sun Nov 15 09:02:06 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sun Nov 15 09:03:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1442 Backround Gold Quilt References: <4AFF032E.3090008@jps.net> Message-ID: <001c01ca6615$5cf4e4a0$48944e18@compaq> Patrick at A1 Jukebox sells gold quilted sheet plastic that can be applied to any surface with spray adhesive. I used it on a Seeburg C I restored last year and looks great. www.jukeboxusa.com Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Chisler" To: Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mod 1442 Backround Gold Quilt > Does any one know any where to get anything 1/2" Quilted .Looking threw > shower curtains , wall papers , contact papers , plexiglass, sheet metals > . Anything so I can get the correct look on the back door background on > my rockola 1442 .will go way out of the way to get the look . If I can > find plex i can cast the part and gold plat it . or gold plate the plastic > . If i can find sheet metal I can gold plate it . > Has any one else had to deal with this problem ? I have a sample of some > plastic comming in from Oliver Stammin in germany . will report back if it > looks okay . daniel@chisler.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jtjalsma at home.nl Sun Nov 15 09:20:38 2009 From: jtjalsma at home.nl (Jurjen Tjalsma) Date: Sun Nov 15 09:22:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC 1 two-sides problem In-Reply-To: <20091113.110347.7104.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091113.110347.7104.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4B003866.8060206@home.nl> Hello James, Thanks for your reply. The tests you mentioned were all positive, so no problem there. Looking at the area near the reversing relay however, I noticed something strange: contacts W operated by the clutch shifting lever were permanenty closed... When I adjusted them everything was ok again. Probably they were bent when cleaning the mech. Jurjen. James Alexander schreef: > Hello Jurjen: > > As you are probably aware, your LPC-1 scans and stops to pick up records only on the mechanism's left-to-right travel. Your machine should be stopping to pick up selected B sides only when the mech is scanning this way. > > The most likely problem is the failure of all switch contacts to close at the right time on the reversing relay in the front of the mech. > > There can also be circuit problems on the tormat chassis located at the base of the cabinet. > > Here's a simple test you can try: > On that chassis there are two pulse amplifier modules, each containg a 12AX7 tube. One of the amplifiers reads out odd side selections (A1,C1,E1,etc) while the other reads out the even sides (B1,D1,F1, etc) > Use the service switch to start the mech scanning, and put the switch back into the "run" position. > While the mech is scanning-left-to-right, slowly pull the 12AX7 tube out of the pulse amp socket. You should hear a relay click in the pulse amp chassis and the mech should stop at that point, pull and play the selection. If it pulls an odd number, concern yourself with the other pulse amp. > If you pull the 12AX7 tube the mech should stop, pull the record and transfer to play the even side. If it does this, this is an indication that the tormat unit readout function is working correctly that the problem lies with the reversing relay or it's contacts on the mech. Take care not to pull the tube during the right-to-left scan mode. > If you have the LPC-1 service manual, it will show in detail how you can troubleshoot and pinpoint all aspects of this problem accurately. > > JIm Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Instant Medical Insurance > Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-Fbff3HXYfYNxMjV6h0HhgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAAY9nT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgBgAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > __________ NOD32 4605 (20091113) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > > > From jtjalsma at home.nl Sun Nov 15 09:29:37 2009 From: jtjalsma at home.nl (Jurjen Tjalsma) Date: Sun Nov 15 09:31:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC 1 two-sides problem In-Reply-To: <108156.25572.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <108156.25572.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B003A81.6050304@home.nl> Hallo Ron, Thanks for your reply. The contacts you mentioned were adjusted corectly. The sequence mentioned in your mechanism guide (great book!) made the operations much clearer. Looking at the area near the reversing relay however, I noticed something strange: contacts W operated by the clutch shifting lever were permanenty closed... When I adjusted them everything was ok again. Probably they were bent when cleaning the mech. Jurjen. Ron Rich schreef: > Jurjen, > Your LSR, RSR, and RR contacts are not adjusted correctly--See the Service Manual, or my "Seeburg Mechanism Guide", for a procedure. Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Jurjen Tjalsma wrote: > > From: Jurjen Tjalsma > Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC 1 two-sides problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 4:21 AM > > Hello all, > > I have a problem with a LPC 1. When I select both the A and B-side of a record, the record comes up to play the A-side, rejects and comes up again to play the B-side. The B-side plays fine then. When I only select the A-side there's no problem. In the manual it's only mentioned when the machine is set up for album play. This one however is set up for single play only. Is there anyone who has had the same problem? Thanks in advance, > > Jurjen Tjalsma > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > __________ NOD32 4605 (20091113) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > > > From 66pony at cox.net Sun Nov 15 10:07:03 2009 From: 66pony at cox.net (66pony@cox.net) Date: Sun Nov 15 10:08:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of Wurlitizer 2304 ?? Message-ID: <20091115130703.0GQ8V.977852.imail@eastrmwml34> I have a lead on a working Wurly 2304 but the selector area chrome and front grill needs re-chroming. How hard to find good presentable used items? How expensive to replate? Is the box worth $500 and a 3 hour drive with the chrome needing re-plating? Thanks Eric From 66pony at cox.net Sun Nov 15 10:06:42 2009 From: 66pony at cox.net (66pony@cox.net) Date: Sun Nov 15 10:08:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of Wurlitizer 2304 In-Reply-To: <4B003A81.6050304@home.nl> Message-ID: <20091115130642.RPSU7.977850.imail@eastrmwml34> I have a lead on a working Wurly 2304 but the selector area chrome and front grill needs re-chroming. How hard to find good presentable used items? How expensive to replate? Is the box worth $500 and a 3 hour drive with the chrome needing re-plating? Thanks Eric From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 15 10:32:45 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 15 10:36:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC 1 two-sides problem Message-ID: <20091115.133245.23017.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jurgen: I'm happy that you were able to solve your Seeburg LPC-1 reversing problem. While you are working on that relay it is important to know that the relay needs to close at precisely the right time in the Seeburg change cycle or you can experience missed even selections. If you have bent contacts, make sure the relay mech. is able to move freely and is not sticking. I've seen these relays damaged when someone does not use care when installing/removing the steel mechanism cover. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Interior Design Degrees Free Info on Online Interior Design Programs from the Art Institutes http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=UvZzZn4Dm16XsdBSFBMVhwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAJhuUj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABUROQAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Nov 15 11:05:24 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Nov 15 11:07:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC 1 two-sides problem In-Reply-To: <4B003A81.6050304@home.nl> Message-ID: <438324.14646.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Jurjen, Thanks for buying the book ! --Did you mention that you had cleaned it before?? Sure, that makes sense,as the points closed are the "W" contacts, and would serve to allow either relay to "fire" the coil anytime they are closed. So, the mech would pick the L side, and begin to place it on the TT, at which point the "W" should be open. Since the RSR was energized, it just normally sits energized till the "W" contacts close again, then it will pull the RR, and if needed (which should NOT be the case if the LSR/RSR/RR contacts are correct), will fire the trip coil again.Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Jurjen Tjalsma wrote: From: Jurjen Tjalsma Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] LPC 1 two-sides problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 9:29 AM Hallo Ron, Thanks for your reply. The contacts you mentioned were adjusted corectly. The sequence mentioned in your mechanism guide (great book!) made the operations much clearer. Looking at the area near the reversing relay however, I noticed something strange: contacts W operated by the clutch shifting lever were permanenty closed... When I adjusted them everything was ok again. Probably they were bent when cleaning the mech. Jurjen. Ron Rich schreef: > Jurjen, > Your LSR, RSR, and RR contacts are not adjusted correctly--See the Service Manual, or my "Seeburg Mechanism Guide", for a procedure. Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Jurjen Tjalsma wrote: > > From: Jurjen Tjalsma > Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC 1 two-sides problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 4:21 AM > > Hello all, > > I have a problem with a LPC 1. When I select both the A and B-side of a record, the record comes up to play the A-side, rejects and comes up again to play the B-side. The B-side plays fine then. When I only select the A-side there's no problem.? In the manual it's only mentioned when the machine is set up for album play. This one however is set up for single play only. Is there anyone who has had the same problem? Thanks in advance, > > Jurjen Tjalsma > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > >? ? ??? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > __________ NOD32 4605 (20091113) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > > >??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 15 11:03:27 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 15 11:07:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of Wurlitizer 2304 Message-ID: <20091115.140327.9989.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello Eric: Questions like this are often asked and there aren't 100% absolute answers. I can offer you the following nuggets that might help guide you in your decision. The Always Jukin' (a jukebox hobbyist magazine) publishes a collectable jukebox price guide which is unofficially regarded as the "blue book" for this hobby. Here, jukes are rated in five quality grades, with Grade 1 being either a perfect original or an as-original restoration effort. At the other end of the scale, Grade 5 is a junkyard dog parts machine. Always Jukin' web: www.alwaysjukin.com. In this crummy economy the value of some jukes has fallen by 20-30%. The demand for collectible models still seems to be there and people will buy them, sometimes at inflated values. Some recent-model marginally collectible models are not selling at all right now. The W2304 is regarded as a desirable collectible machine. Grade 1 value is $2750 It's Grade 3 value (complete, generally good condition, needs major work) is $1400 You can expect to pay in the range of $300-500 to have all the replating work done that you described. Most likely you'll have other mechanical/electronics work that'll need to be done. Most folks that buy a restorable collectible jukebox are motivated to have something they can enjoy, as opposed to buying and reselling them as a profit center. It can be a bigger than average gamble to come out ahead. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Home Insurance Save up to 50% on home insurance! Instant quotes - Fast & easy form. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=6WfL3regla5BbM9loCGY6gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAFcwUj4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABV1JAAAAAA= From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Nov 15 12:46:37 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Nov 15 12:54:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? Message-ID: What do you use to remove the pin to get Seeburg gears out? I have a Seeburg C mechanism with a chipped gear tooth on the fiber gear. I suspect someone turned the turntable instead of the motor coupling at one time.It was pretty well stuck with hardened grease before cleaning. I have a junker LU mech that has the same gear ratio listed on the back with a perfect fiber gear. I tried the 1/8 pin punch I use for the pins in the brake cam and it seems too big. It pushed the pin out a hair but won't go in the gear hole. I was trying this on the clutch drive gear on the LU mech so I didn't bugger up the nice clean fiber gear. The next size down pin punch I see at Ace Hardware is 1/16", a tad small. I'm pretty sure I got the small end because it pushed out a tad on the other side. J.C. From pinball at telus.net Sun Nov 15 13:47:10 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Nov 15 13:48:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B0076DE.3040807@telus.net> Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > What do you use to remove the pin to get Seeburg gears out? I have a > Seeburg C mechanism with a chipped gear tooth on the fiber gear. I suspect > someone turned the turntable instead of the motor coupling at one time.It was > pretty well stuck with hardened grease before cleaning. > > I have a junker LU mech that has the same gear ratio listed on the back > with a perfect fiber gear. I tried the 1/8 pin punch I use for the pins in > the brake cam and it seems too big. It pushed the pin out a hair but won't > go in the gear hole. I was trying this on the clutch drive gear on the LU > mech so I didn't bugger up the nice clean fiber gear. > > The next size down pin punch I see at Ace Hardware is 1/16", a tad small. > I'm pretty sure I got the small end because it pushed out a tad on the > other side. > > J.C. > > You need the correct diameter "Punch" tool. These are steel pins of a fixed diameter that are mounted on larger diameter shafts and then you tap them with a hammer. Wear goggles! I have four common sizes in my kit: 1/16", 1/8", 3/16, and 1/4" - if I am not mistaken the size for these pins is 1/8". You MUST identify the thinned end of these TAPERED pins. If you tap on the larger end you will only make it harder to take apart! Often the difference in diameter on the input and output ends of the taperd pinis a fewthousandths of an inch, so you really have to check it carefully. In all cases on a single shaft for Seeburg (and Wurlitzer) the pins are inserted all the same orientation, so if one pin is easier to figure out then you now know BOTH pins. I use a 2lb sledge and gently tap on the skinnier end - less shaft bounce as the heavy tool imparts a sharper snap like blow to the pin. Other folks prefer a regular hammer. The tool must just cover the end of the pin, if it is smaller it tends to spread the pin making it harder to extract. Do NOT use a pin-point head, nor a nail set as either of those can spread the pin end and wedge it firmly in the tapered shaft. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pat2355 at aol.com Sun Nov 15 15:07:44 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sun Nov 15 15:09:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of Wurlitizer 2304 In-Reply-To: <20091115.140327.9989.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091115.140327.9989.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC345F92FC1158-35B8-1CFF0@webmail-m029.sysops.aol.com> Hello Eric, The answer is not really unless you really like it and are handy enough to bring it from a project to a finished gem. I kinda read this question as ... Is this a good enough price for this machine, so that if I need to recoup my time and money in a hurry it shouldn't be a problem. Keep in mind there's many pluses to buying a jukebox. You're NOW cool !!! Joking !? What I could beat around the bush forever is the simple message that everyone begins and hobby somewhere. If you like this style juke and feel confident you're ready to learn or have appropriate resources you'll enjoy the results..The price is low enough that you're probably not going to lose any money, but like any investment if you get personal enjoyment it's worth it and if your family has fun. BONUS Good Luck -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 11:03 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Value of Wurlitizer 2304 Hello Eric: Questions like this are often asked and there aren't 100% absolute answers. I can offer you the following nuggets that might help guide you in your decision. The Always Jukin' (a jukebox hobbyist magazine) publishes a collectable jukebox price guide which is unofficially regarded as the "blue book" for this hobby. Here, jukes are rated in five quality grades, with Grade 1 being either a perfect original or an as-original restoration effort. At the other end of the scale, Grade 5 is a junkyard dog parts machine. Always Jukin' web: www.alwaysjukin.com. In this crummy economy the value of some jukes has fallen by 20-30%. The demand for collectible models still seems to be there and people will buy them, sometimes at inflated values. Some recent-model marginally collectible models are not selling at all right now. The W2304 is regarded as a desirable collectible machine. Grade 1 value is $2750 It's Grade 3 value (complete, generally good condition, needs major work) is $1400 You can expect to pay in the range of $300-500 to have all the replating work done that you described. Most likely you'll have other mechanical/electronics work that'll need to be done. Most folks that buy a restorable collectible jukebox are motivated to have something they can enjoy, as opposed to buying and reselling them as a profit center. It can be a bigger than average gamble to come out ahead. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Home Insurance Save up to 50% on home insurance! Instant quotes - Fast & easy form. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=6WfL3regla5BbM9loCGY6gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAFcwUj4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABV1JAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Sun Nov 15 16:29:06 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Sun Nov 15 16:30:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? In-Reply-To: <4B0076DE.3040807@telus.net> Message-ID: <424480.23709.qm@web96010.mail.aue.yahoo.com> You need a 2.5mm dia pin punch, have just changed a couple of mechs over to 50hz yellow spot gear sets.?Cheerrs John --- On Mon, 16/11/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 10:47 AM Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > What do you use to remove the pin to get Seeburg gears out? I? have a Seeburg C mechanism with a chipped gear tooth on the fiber gear. I? suspect someone turned the turntable instead of the motor coupling at one? time...It was pretty well stuck with hardened grease before cleaning. >???I have a junker LU mech that has the same gear ratio listed on the? back with a perfect fiber gear. I tried the 1/8 pin punch I use for the???pins in the brake cam and it seems too big. It pushed the pin out a hair but? won't go in the gear hole.? I was trying this on the clutch drive gear on? the LU mech so I didn't bugger up the nice clean fiber gear. >? The next size down pin punch I see at Ace Hardware is 1/16", a tad? small. I'm pretty sure I got the small end because it pushed out a tad on the? other side. >? J.C. > >??? You need the correct diameter "Punch" tool. These are steel pins of a fixed diameter that are mounted on larger diameter shafts and then you tap them with a hammer. Wear goggles! I have four common sizes in my kit: 1/16", 1/8", 3/16, and 1/4" - if I am not mistaken the size for these pins is 1/8". You MUST identify the thinned end of these TAPERED pins. If you tap on the larger end you will only make it harder to take apart! Often the difference in diameter on the input and output ends of the taperd pinis a fewthousandths of an inch, so you really have to check it carefully. In all cases on a single shaft for Seeburg (and Wurlitzer) the pins are inserted all the same orientation, so if one pin is easier to figure out then you now know BOTH pins. I use a 2lb sledge and gently tap on the skinnier end - less shaft bounce as the heavy tool imparts a sharper snap like blow to the pin. Other folks prefer a regular hammer. The tool must just cover the end of the pin, if it is smaller it tends to spread the pin making it harder to extract. Do NOT use a pin-point head, nor a nail set as either of those can spread the pin end and wedge it firmly in the tapered shaft. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 15 17:14:09 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Sun Nov 15 17:16:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another continental 2 story Message-ID: A guy brought me a continental 2 for "repairs". He completely gutted the machine 5 years ago to repair the bottom of the cabinet that was water damaged and rotted. Here's the kicker, he brought it to me in a basket because he can't remember how it goes back together. It's going to be a bit of a challenge as I have never restored one. The first problem I found is that the gripper bow on the mechanism is broke off. I found the bow in the bottom of one of the boxes of parts but it looks like white metal and I don't believe that can be fixed. The mech is froze up so Im guessing someone tried to use the bow to make it move and got a surprise. What kind of job is it to replace that whole assembly providing I can find one. (hint hint) Appreciate any insight or comments or even a good luck wish. Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Sun Nov 15 18:03:30 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Sun Nov 15 18:05:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another continental 2 story Message-ID: Rick, it can be repaired. Google "Muggy Weld" for the technique and repair kit purchase. I have tried it and it works. The web site also has videos you can look at showing how many different types of repairs are done. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: jukebox list Sent: Sun Nov 15 20:14:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another continental 2 story A guy brought me a continental 2 for "repairs". He completely gutted the machine 5 years ago to repair the bottom of the cabinet that was water damaged and rotted. Here's the kicker, he brought it to me in a basket because he can't remember how it goes back together. It's going to be a bit of a challenge as I have never restored one. The first problem I found is that the gripper bow on the mechanism is broke off. I found the bow in the bottom of one of the boxes of parts but it looks like white metal and I don't believe that can be fixed. The mech is froze up so Im guessing someone tried to use the bow to make it move and got a surprise. What kind of job is it to replace that whole assembly providing I can find one. (hint hint) Appreciate any insight or comments or even a good luck wish. Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Nov 15 21:58:13 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Nov 15 21:59:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? In-Reply-To: <424480.23709.qm@web96010.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <815392.47279.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, Can you give me what you know about the color codes on the gears? Thanks, Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/15/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? To: pinball@telus.net, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 4:29 PM You need a 2.5mm dia pin punch, have just changed a couple of mechs over to 50hz yellow spot gear sets.?Cheerrs John --- On Mon, 16/11/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 10:47 AM Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > What do you use to remove the pin to get Seeburg gears out? I? have a Seeburg C mechanism with a chipped gear tooth on the fiber gear. I? suspect someone turned the turntable instead of the motor coupling at one? time...It was pretty well stuck with hardened grease before cleaning. >???I have a junker LU mech that has the same gear ratio listed on the? back with a perfect fiber gear. I tried the 1/8 pin punch I use for the???pins in the brake cam and it seems too big. It pushed the pin out a hair but? won't go in the gear hole.? I was trying this on the clutch drive gear on? the LU mech so I didn't bugger up the nice clean fiber gear. >? The next size down pin punch I see at Ace Hardware is 1/16", a tad? small. I'm pretty sure I got the small end because it pushed out a tad on the? other side. >? J.C. > >??? You need the correct diameter "Punch" tool. These are steel pins of a fixed diameter that are mounted on larger diameter shafts and then you tap them with a hammer. Wear goggles! I have four common sizes in my kit: 1/16", 1/8", 3/16, and 1/4" - if I am not mistaken the size for these pins is 1/8". You MUST identify the thinned end of these TAPERED pins. If you tap on the larger end you will only make it harder to take apart! Often the difference in diameter on the input and output ends of the taperd pinis a fewthousandths of an inch, so you really have to check it carefully. In all cases on a single shaft for Seeburg (and Wurlitzer) the pins are inserted all the same orientation, so if one pin is easier to figure out then you now know BOTH pins. I use a 2lb sledge and gently tap on the skinnier end - less shaft bounce as the heavy tool imparts a sharper snap like blow to the pin. Other folks prefer a regular hammer. The tool must just cover the end of the pin, if it is smaller it tends to spread the pin making it harder to extract. Do NOT use a pin-point head, nor a nail set as either of those can spread the pin end and wedge it firmly in the tapered shaft. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From rellis2007 at aol.com Mon Nov 16 04:57:58 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 16 05:00:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another continental 2 story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC34D38E45D318-B58-1BF9@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com> Rick Hope You left the pricing open, a good welder may be able to weld the bow depending on where it is broken. Is the cabinet repaired? if so has it been done correctly? if not You may have more problems putting it back together. anyway sounds like a mess to Me good luck. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: rick murray To: jukebox list Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 7:14 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another continental 2 story guy brought me a continental 2 for "repairs". He completely gutted the achine 5 years ago to repair the bottom of the cabinet that was water damaged nd rotted. Here's the kicker, he brought it to me in a basket because he can't emember how it goes back together. It's going to be a bit of a challenge as I ave never restored one. The first problem I found is that the gripper bow on he mechanism is broke off. I found the bow in the bottom of one of the boxes of arts but it looks like white metal and I don't believe that can be fixed. The ech is froze up so Im guessing someone tried to use the bow to make it move and ot a surprise. What kind of job is it to replace that whole assembly providing can find one. (hint hint) Appreciate any insight or comments or even a good uck wish. Thanks Rick ________________________________________________________________ ing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. ttp://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1_______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From rellis2007 at aol.com Mon Nov 16 05:26:26 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 16 05:28:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 Max gripper arm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC34D78826A17E-B58-2109@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com> Terry Bring the carousel but putting the service switch in the service poition "note" be sure to put it back to operate when Your done" to it's resting place at the top, the bow should be about in the middle of the rest area. turn the bottom knurled shaft of the gripper motor counter clockwise until it stops turning. at this point it should be in time, and solve the problem. hope this helps doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Terry Kuhns To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 8:41 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 Max gripper arm I have a Rockola 447 Max juke a friend wanted repaired. The machine is having a roblem with the gripper arm and would like some insight into what I need to do r what areas to look at to address the problem. When a selection is made, the agazine turns and the gripper arm picks up the record and places it on the urntable. There is no issue with picking it out of the magazine. After the song as played, 9 times out of 10 it will not grab the record and place it back in he magazine. It seems to me like the gripper arm starts raising before the it ompletely grabs the record. Is there a way to adjust this timing or an djustment that needs attention I should be looking at? I have the manuals but 'm relatively new to jukebox workings. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, erry Kuhns ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Mon Nov 16 13:47:06 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Mon Nov 16 13:48:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? In-Reply-To: <815392.47279.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <272384.41104.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Ron,My Seeburg DS160 was ex USA, voltage 110V 60Hz. To bring it into line with voltage in NewZealand 230V 50Hz I had to change the gearing, being the same as UK the lads on here said that Seeburg had a conversion gearset called the yellow spot (a blob of yellow paint on the fibre gear designates the different ratio). Also available to buy new from?www.jukeboxpartsservice.eu ?although a little pricey. I managed to pick up some old junker mechs ?complete to get my parts over here.Cheers John --- On Mon, 16/11/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 6:58 PM John, Can you give me what you know about the color codes on the gears? Thanks, Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/15/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? To: pinball@telus.net, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 4:29 PM You need a 2.5mm dia pin punch, have just changed a couple of mechs over to 50hz yellow spot gear sets.?Cheerrs John --- On Mon, 16/11/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 10:47 AM Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > What do you use to remove the pin to get Seeburg gears out? I? have a Seeburg C mechanism with a chipped gear tooth on the fiber gear. I? suspect someone turned the turntable instead of the motor coupling at one? time.....It was pretty well stuck with hardened grease before cleaning. >???I have a junker LU mech that has the same gear ratio listed on the? back with a perfect fiber gear. I tried the 1/8 pin punch I use for the???pins in the brake cam and it seems too big. It pushed the pin out a hair but? won't go in the gear hole.? I was trying this on the clutch drive gear on? the LU mech so I didn't bugger up the nice clean fiber gear. >? The next size down pin punch I see at Ace Hardware is 1/16", a tad? small. I'm pretty sure I got the small end because it pushed out a tad on the? other side. >? J.C. > >??? You need the correct diameter "Punch" tool. These are steel pins of a fixed diameter that are mounted on larger diameter shafts and then you tap them with a hammer. Wear goggles! I have four common sizes in my kit: 1/16", 1/8", 3/16, and 1/4" - if I am not mistaken the size for these pins is 1/8". You MUST identify the thinned end of these TAPERED pins. If you tap on the larger end you will only make it harder to take apart! Often the difference in diameter on the input and output ends of the taperd pinis a fewthousandths of an inch, so you really have to check it carefully. In all cases on a single shaft for Seeburg (and Wurlitzer) the pins are inserted all the same orientation, so if one pin is easier to figure out then you now know BOTH pins. I use a 2lb sledge and gently tap on the skinnier end - less shaft bounce as the heavy tool imparts a sharper snap like blow to the pin. Other folks prefer a regular hammer. The tool must just cover the end of the pin, if it is smaller it tends to spread the pin making it harder to extract. Do NOT use a pin-point head, nor a nail set as either of those can spread the pin end and wedge it firmly in the tapered shaft. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 15:39:45 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 16 15:41:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] color of Seeburg gears? In-Reply-To: <272384.41104.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <269699.14722.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi John, The voltage does not make a difference in the gearing--only the Hertz. So--you are saying that the yellow indicates 60 Hertz and blue is 50 Hz ? Both would be 45rpm gears-- Ron --- On Mon, 11/16/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 1:47 PM Hi Ron,My Seeburg DS160 was ex USA, voltage 110V 60Hz. To bring it into line with voltage in NewZealand 230V 50Hz I had to change the gearing, being the same as UK the lads on here said that Seeburg had a conversion gearset called the yellow spot (a blob of yellow paint on the fibre gear designates the different ratio). Also available to buy new from?www.jukeboxpartsservice.eu ?although a little pricey. I managed to pick up some old junker mechs ?complete to get my parts over here.Cheers John --- On Mon, 16/11/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 6:58 PM John, Can you give me what you know about the color codes on the gears? Thanks, Ron Rich From tdkuhns at dejazzd.com Mon Nov 16 16:19:35 2009 From: tdkuhns at dejazzd.com (Terry Kuhns) Date: Mon Nov 16 16:20:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rockola 477 Max gripper arm References: <20091116200002.EDB59AB015@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Doc, I will try this and also while I'm at it I will also lube up the mech as Ron Rich suggested. Thanks for all the suggestions! -Terry > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:26:26 -0500 > From: rellis2007@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 Max gripper arm > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Message-ID: <8CC34D78826A17E-B58-2109@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Terry > > Bring the carousel but putting the service switch in the service poition > "note" be sure to put it back to operate when Your done" to it's resting > place at the top, the bow should be about in the middle of the rest area. > turn the bottom knurled shaft of the gripper motor counter clockwise until > it stops turning. at this point it should be in time, and solve the > problem. > > hope this helps > > doc ellis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Kuhns > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 8:41 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 Max gripper arm > > > > I have a Rockola 447 Max juke a friend wanted repaired. The machine is > having a > roblem with the gripper arm and would like some insight into what I need > to do > r what areas to look at to address the problem. When a selection is made, > the > agazine turns and the gripper arm picks up the record and places it on the > urntable. There is no issue with picking it out of the magazine. After the > song > as played, 9 times out of 10 it will not grab the record and place it back > in > he magazine. It seems to me like the gripper arm starts raising before the > it > ompletely grabs the record. Is there a way to adjust this timing or an > djustment that needs attention I should be looking at? I have the manuals > but > 'm relatively new to jukebox workings. Any help would be greatly > appreciated! > Thank you, > erry Kuhns > ______________________________________________ Database: 270.14.68/2507 - Release Date: 11/16/09 14:53:00 From steelhouseauctions at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 16:20:05 2009 From: steelhouseauctions at gmail.com (Scott Plutchok) Date: Mon Nov 16 16:27:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop Speaker Paint Jobs Message-ID: <9da3d760911161620s138abff9yc067ea3b3fa87d23@mail.gmail.com> I'm turning my attention back to my Seeburg inventory: I've been going through the inventory of Seeburg Teardrop speakers. I've noticed that there are many "custom" paint jobs on these units. Actually, too many horrible paint jobs on these otherwise nostalgic units. What were the original colors? There's a few here that seem to have a multi-colored presentation, possibly marbled? What is that called? I'm considering removing the paint off the these units and sending the chrome parts out for re-chroming. Any advice before I start? Regards, Scott From kjq45 at att.net Mon Nov 16 18:13:33 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Nov 16 18:21:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jay - The Sockets Arrived Message-ID: Jay - The AC sockets arrived for the Rock-Ola control unit. You're right, a little filing and it went right in. I chose to insert the plug from the top of the chassis instead of pushing it up through. So what..........it stands up a little, but hides any filing work. It works great. Thanks for the lead on the sockets. Glen From kjq45 at att.net Mon Nov 16 18:48:42 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Nov 16 18:50:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Gears Arrived Message-ID: The NOS replacement stepper gears arrived for the Rock-Ola 1754. So far, the number gears are successfully installed cause they're the least amount of work. The letter gears, another day. The only noticeable difference in the originals and the replacement is the stop. On the number gears, the rotor will turn beyond the last contact, but that shouldn't make any difference. That probably makes the gear compatible for 100/160 steppers. One other difference is the shat length. It's longer than the original, but again, that makes no difference. Glen From tmcderm653 at mchsi.com Mon Nov 16 21:08:55 2009 From: tmcderm653 at mchsi.com (Todd McDermott) Date: Mon Nov 16 19:10:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 488 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This turned out to be a bad IC402. Jukebox is up and running again. I hope this will help someone else, I hate it when threads end with no conclusion of fixed or not. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd McDermott" To: Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 488 Hi All Working on a rockola 488. Down to one last problem. Jukebox will not pick up selection, I have all the power LED's lit and correct voltages. When you make selection the magazine will spin 3 times and stop, same thing when you push the test button. The switches all check good and the optic led on the optic board flashes as the magazine rotates. The 4 leds on the mech controller bd seem to work as expected except for the ENCODER LED it is on all the time, my understanding from the manual is that it should flash as the magazine turns, correct? And looking at the schematics I would say it would have to be either IC 402 or IC 401. Am I on the right track or is there something else that would cause this problem? Thanks in advance Todd _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Mon Nov 16 19:31:31 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Mon Nov 16 19:33:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] color of Seeburg gears? In-Reply-To: <269699.14722.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64.78065.qm@web96013.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, Yes 45rpm. i am re-building the auto speed unit ?as i have a stack of the Seeburg lp 33 1/3 releases still sealed up in the brown wrappers.Cheers john --- On Tue, 17/11/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] color of Seeburg gears? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, 17 November, 2009, 12:39 PM Hi John, The voltage does not make a difference in the gearing--only the Hertz. So--you are saying that the yellow indicates 60 Hertz and blue is 50 Hz ? Both would be 45rpm gears-- Ron --- On Mon, 11/16/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 1:47 PM Hi Ron,My Seeburg DS160 was ex USA, voltage 110V 60Hz. To bring it into line with voltage in NewZealand 230V 50Hz I had to change the gearing, being the same as UK the lads on here said that Seeburg had a conversion gearset called the yellow spot (a blob of yellow paint on the fibre gear designates the different ratio). Also available to buy new from?www.jukeboxpartsservice.eu ?although a little pricey. I managed to pick up some old junker mechs ?complete to get my parts over here.Cheers John --- On Mon, 16/11/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Proper tool for removing the pin on Seeburg gears? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 6:58 PM John, Can you give me what you know about the color codes on the gears? Thanks, Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 16 20:06:23 2009 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Bud Wintermantel) Date: Mon Nov 16 20:07:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 488 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <991762.77837.qm@web82403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Todd, Thanks for the info Bud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Todd McDermott wrote: From: Todd McDermott Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 488 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 9:08 PM This turned out to be a bad IC402. Jukebox is up and running again. I hope this will help someone else, I hate it when threads end with no conclusion of fixed or not. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd McDermott" To: Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 488 Hi All Working on a rockola 488. Down to one last problem. Jukebox will not pick up selection, I have all the power LED's lit and correct voltages. When you make selection the magazine will spin 3 times and stop, same thing when you push the test button. The switches all check good and the optic led on the optic board flashes as the magazine rotates. The 4 leds on the mech controller bd seem to work as expected except for the ENCODER LED it is on all the time, my understanding from the manual is that it should flash as the magazine turns, correct? And looking at the schematics I would say it would have to be either IC 402 or IC 401. Am I on the right track or is there something else that would cause this problem? Thanks in advance Todd _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Mon Nov 16 20:15:13 2009 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Mon Nov 16 20:22:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 488 References: Message-ID: Thank you for reply...I am often weary with no conclusion (either way). Ron Tyler ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Todd McDermott Sent: Mon 11/16/2009 9:08 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 488 This turned out to be a bad IC402. Jukebox is up and running again. I hope this will help someone else, I hate it when threads end with no conclusion of fixed or not. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd McDermott" To: Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 488 Hi All Working on a rockola 488. Down to one last problem. Jukebox will not pick up selection, I have all the power LED's lit and correct voltages. When you make selection the magazine will spin 3 times and stop, same thing when you push the test button. The switches all check good and the optic led on the optic board flashes as the magazine rotates. The 4 leds on the mech controller bd seem to work as expected except for the ENCODER LED it is on all the time, my understanding from the manual is that it should flash as the magazine turns, correct? And looking at the schematics I would say it would have to be either IC 402 or IC 401. Am I on the right track or is there something else that would cause this problem? Thanks in advance Todd _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From rellis2007 at aol.com Tue Nov 17 03:45:12 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 17 03:47:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop Speaker Paint Jobs In-Reply-To: <9da3d760911161620s138abff9yc067ea3b3fa87d23@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da3d760911161620s138abff9yc067ea3b3fa87d23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC35928E315A5B-201C-11FC6@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com> Scott I doubt they came in chrome as this process was an option at the time they were made' doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Scott Plutchok To: Jukebox List Sent: Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:20 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop Speaker Paint Jobs I'm turning my attention back to my Seeburg inventory: I've been going through the inventory of Seeburg Teardrop speakers. I've oticed that there are many "custom" paint jobs on these units. Actually, oo many horrible paint jobs on these otherwise nostalgic units. What were the original colors? There's a few here that seem to have a multi-colored presentation, possibly arbled? What is that called? I'm considering removing the paint off the these units and sending the hrome parts out for re-chroming. Any advice before I start? Regards, Scott ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 17 06:24:13 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 17 06:27:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop Speaker Paint Jobs Message-ID: <20091117.092413.28517.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Most of these original 8" Seeburg teardrop speakers that I've actually seen and in photos are painted a semi-glossy beige color. Apparently, most of these other finishes are either replica versions of the speaker or originals that have been repainted along the way. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=RUxvnGpt_z0V4DlLP5jIOQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAANvsoD4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 17 08:24:48 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 17 08:26:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop Speaker Paint Jobs In-Reply-To: <20091117.092413.28517.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <138119.38438.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi,You All ( tired of "Gents" and "Guys"), Most of them that I saw were not painted at all. The "almost" ( more then "semi" but less then "full") gloss beige color was "embedded" in the "Bakelite" ? Same as the mech covers used on the 100 A and B models. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/17/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop Speaker Paint Jobs To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 6:24 AM Gentlemen: Most of these original 8" Seeburg teardrop speakers that I've actually seen and in photos are painted a semi-glossy beige color.???Apparently, most of these other finishes are either replica versions of the speaker or originals that have been repainted along the way. Jim Alexander? ____________________________________________________________ Instant Debt Consolidation Quote Free debt consolidation quote online! No obligation. No credit check. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=RUxvnGpt_z0V4DlLP5jIOQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAANvsoD4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2kQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From rellis2007 at aol.com Tue Nov 17 08:36:43 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 17 08:38:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop Speaker Paint Jobs In-Reply-To: <8CC35928E315A5B-201C-11FC6@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com> References: <9da3d760911161620s138abff9yc067ea3b3fa87d23@mail.gmail.com> <8CC35928E315A5B-201C-11FC6@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC35BB47E528E2-2C8C-21AD@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> ment to say was not an option an option -----Original Message----- From: rellis2007@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 5:45 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop Speaker Paint Jobs cott I doubt they came in chrome as this process was an option at the time they were ade' doc ellis ----Original Message----- rom: Scott Plutchok o: Jukebox List ent: Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:20 pm ubject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop Speaker Paint Jobs I'm turning my attention back to my Seeburg inventory: 've been going through the inventory of Seeburg Teardrop speakers. I've ticed that there are many "custom" paint jobs on these units. Actually, o many horrible paint jobs on these otherwise nostalgic units. hat were the original colors? here's a few here that seem to have a multi-colored presentation, possibly rbled? What is that called? 'm considering removing the paint off the these units and sending the rome parts out for re-chroming. ny advice before I start? egards, cott _____________________________________________ kebox-list mailing list kebox-list@lists.netlojix.com tp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list archable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Nov 17 10:47:09 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Nov 17 10:48:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop Speaker Paint Jobs In-Reply-To: <20091117.092413.28517.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <125719.2680.qm@web112109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 11/17/09, James Alexander wrote: > Most of these original 8" Seeburg teardrop speakers that > I've actually seen and in photos are painted a semi-glossy > beige color. That was the "Seeburg color" for several years. They were way ahead of the times. Computer companies didn't adopt beige until some time in the 1980s! :-) I'm pretty sure I've also seen pictures of them with a painted marble finish (light background with dark "veins") but I wouldnt' swear to it. The manual makes no reference to multiple colors that I can find with a quick perusal. From oldjukes at hotmail.com Tue Nov 17 18:34:46 2009 From: oldjukes at hotmail.com (Hans Minderman) Date: Tue Nov 17 18:37:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] cartridge for ristaucrat Message-ID: Hi All, I'm making progress on my ristaucrat. I've got the whole mechanism working properly so now I'm moving on to the amp and cartridge. My question is , I have what I believe to be an Astatic 40-1 cartridge. Is it safe to assume that the cartridge is still ok and I should just have to replace the stylus (A1) or do these commonly fail and I should just replace it (if so what would you recommend). At this time I can't actually test it b/c I'm rebuilding the amp..... Thanks! -Hans _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From steelhouseauctions at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 20:38:02 2009 From: steelhouseauctions at gmail.com (Scott Plutchok) Date: Tue Nov 17 20:46:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop Speaker Paint Jobs In-Reply-To: <125719.2680.qm@web112109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20091117.092413.28517.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> <125719.2680.qm@web112109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9da3d760911172038r4e6eb05cqce8cf60b8832cdcd@mail.gmail.com> Numerous teardrop shells (what are these: cases, shells, carcasses, bodies,?) on hand are a solid glossy black, bakelite like material. Are these shells bakelite? If so, then my paint removal process ought to be a bit more forgiving. Bakelite in my experience is fairly resilient. The underlying color of numerous is invariably dark. Very few to none are beige. Those that are are the result of poor paint jobs. Several are "marbleized" but are in very bad shape. A shame really as they are spectacularly rich in texture, almost Victorian... On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:47 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, James Alexander wrote: > > > Most of these original 8" Seeburg teardrop speakers that > > I've actually seen and in photos are painted a semi-glossy > > beige color. > > That was the "Seeburg color" for several years. They were > way ahead of the times. Computer companies didn't adopt > beige until some time in the 1980s! :-) I'm pretty sure > I've also seen pictures of them with a painted marble > finish (light background with dark "veins") but I wouldnt' > swear to it. The manual makes no reference to multiple > colors that I can find with a quick perusal. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From Jjmscf at aol.com Wed Nov 18 05:31:21 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 18 05:33:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning Early Seeburg Amps Message-ID: Westleys will clean but if you leave it on too long it will remove the screen printing.Just found that out on a MRA-3 amp from a C I was cleaning last night.It will also eat the paint off the speaker and tone control plaques if you get it on them.Good thing there's repros available...lol.Mine were kinda ratty anyway. I didn't let it get on the serial no. plate at least. Westleys is still not as effective as Spray-Nine for cigarette tar which this one had copious amounts on the underside of the chassis. IMHO Spray-Nine is the king of cigarette tar removers,even better than sudsy ammonia. It will attack some paint though. Even something benign as Windex will take the printing off the filter capacitors but wouldn't take all the cigarette tar off them without scrubbing. One thing that works on corrosion is a quick application of Klean Strip Rust Remover(Available at walmart) and quickly wipe it off. No more than a few seconds unless you have actual rust. Then follow with your favorite cleaner,Westleys or whatever to neutralize any acid left from the rust remover. Removes those black marks left by grubby fingerprint acid turning the plated surface black. I fond that still it took some Brasso and lots of elbow grease to make it look like new. Screen printing long gone from the Westleys anyway. Now to relabel the tube sockets and order new speaker and tone plates...lol. J.C. > I've said it a zillion times but nobody listens... 8=O Westley's Bleche-White tire cleaner is readily available on Walmart and other places (but good luck trying to find something as good in Europe). It cleans the grudge right off. Don't wet before, just spray an even coat, wait ten seconds and then flush or wipe off. 409 is ok, but does some bleaching, which can destroy a painted surface. And Westley's cleaner cleans better. Without bleaching. The only other cleaner I have tried that was as good was a citrus based cleaner, it was excellent. And environmental friendly, I thought, but then it was found to be carcinogenous! I have also tried some other cleaners that were recommended on this list but they weren't as good. We had a fire in the summer house and I used Westley's to clean some of the stuff - it even removes tar instantly - _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPJ7LN5XD4k_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPJ7LN5XD4k) There, now I said it again. Westley's Bleche-White tire cleaner, for white wall tires. And jukeboxes. Jens From p.hagens at wxs.nl Wed Nov 18 06:02:49 2009 From: p.hagens at wxs.nl (Piet Hagens) Date: Wed Nov 18 06:15:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1455 cover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004a01ca6857$d07ff290$717fd7b0$@hagens@wxs.nl> Hello, I'm restoring a Rockola 1455 at the moment and I'm in need of the plastic cover around the turntable. Anybody has one to spare ??? Greetings, Piet From pinplayers at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 07:40:27 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Wed Nov 18 07:50:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning Early Seeburg Amps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911180740r4707ddcrac5090f9fb1ff412@mail.gmail.com> I just used Westley's on a MRA-3 Amp I'm recapping and I had the opposite experience. It worked great. Removed practically all the grime and DID NOT damage the screen printing. I liberally spayed an even coat across the face of the amp then used a scouring sponge to clean areas "around" the screening and rinsed with water. Amp and Receiver both came out great. Thanks for the tip Don.... On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:31 AM, wrote: > Westleys will clean but if you leave it on too long it will remove the > screen printing.Just found that out on a MRA-3 amp from a C I was cleaning > last > night.It will also eat the paint off the speaker and tone control plaques > if you get it on them.Good thing there's repros available...lol.Mine were > kinda ratty anyway. I didn't let it get on the serial no. plate at least. > > Westleys is still not as effective as Spray-Nine for cigarette tar which > this one had copious amounts on the underside of the chassis. IMHO > Spray-Nine > is the king of cigarette tar removers,even better than sudsy ammonia. It > will attack some paint though. > > Even something benign as Windex will take the printing off the filter > capacitors but wouldn't take all the cigarette tar off them without > scrubbing. > > One thing that works on corrosion is a quick application of Klean Strip > Rust Remover(Available at walmart) and quickly wipe it off. No more than a > few seconds unless you have actual rust. Then follow with your favorite > cleaner,Westleys or whatever to neutralize any acid left from the rust > remover. > Removes those black marks left by grubby fingerprint acid turning the > plated > surface black. > > I fond that still it took some Brasso and lots of elbow grease to make it > look like new. Screen printing long gone from the Westleys anyway. Now to > relabel the tube sockets and order new speaker and tone plates...lol. > > J.C. > > > I've said it a zillion times but nobody listens... 8=O > > > Westley's Bleche-White tire cleaner is readily available on Walmart and > other places (but good luck trying to find something as good in Europe). > It cleans the grudge right off. Don't wet before, just spray an even coat, > wait ten seconds and then flush or wipe off. > > 409 is ok, but does some bleaching, which can destroy a painted surface. > And > Westley's cleaner cleans better. Without bleaching. > > The only other cleaner I have tried that was as good was a citrus based > cleaner, it was excellent. And environmental friendly, I thought, but then > it was found to be carcinogenous! > I have also tried some other cleaners that were recommended on this list > but > they weren't as good. > > We had a fire in the summer house and I used Westley's to clean some of > the > stuff - it even removes tar instantly - > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPJ7LN5XD4k_ > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPJ7LN5XD4k) > > There, now I said it again. Westley's Bleche-White tire cleaner, for white > wall tires. And jukeboxes. > > Jens > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 18 11:35:51 2009 From: donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com (luke & lucy) Date: Wed Nov 18 11:37:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke References: <002a01ca6546$f1252560$d36f7020$@force9.co.uk> <001d01ca65db$7482e8e0$5d88baa0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <1922E35FF0ED416C9E673AFF574569E1@DBTOA000> Hi just wanted to thank you Nigel for taking the time to work this all out for me, its nice to know its possible but probably more than I could handle. also to those who replied re the 477 Max option, unfortunately the guy sold it to someone else for ?80 (i would have paid more) while I was trying to sort transport as its the other side of the country. maybe another one will turn up in a year or so... cheers Luke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke > Luke, > > If you were up for a challenge and a bit of butchery I think you could > massage the electro mechanical workings into the 478. > Although different, the amp and power supply are the same physical size, > so > will swap. > You will need to swap the mech and all its mounting bracketry from one to > the other. > > Complete wiring loom will need swapping. > > You will have 2 challenges - the record now playing indicator and the > selector button assemblies. This is where you will need to be creative. > You > could re-print the Record Now Playing numbers horizontally and mount that > in > place of the existing LED indicator. Button bank is completely different > so > would need swapping. However the numbers on the Grand Salon buttons will > now > be sideways on. Hmm you may need to cannibalise the 477 buttons somehow. > > Swap the speakers too, the bass units have larger /deeper magnets in the > Grand Salon, > > Good luck ;-) > > Nigel, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Pugh > Sent: 14 November 2009 16:24 > To: 'Jukebox mailing list' > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke > > Hi Luke, > > There are very few interchangeable parts between the two. Even the > amplifier > and power supply are different - only turntable and motors / speakers are > the same. > > There is a microprocessor Grand Salon as well as the electro mechanical > one, > I can't remember the number though. One of those would suit you as a parts > donor. > > However, the Grand Salon is ultimately reliable / easily maintainable, and > a > good sound. Parts are easily available but you wouldn't really need any > either way. Only 2 microprocessor chips and they are in the preamp only - > so > nothing to worry about. (just shut your eyes when listening to it ;-) ) > > Regards > > Nigel, UK. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of luke & lucy > Sent: 14 November 2009 14:28 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke > > Hi all > thanks to those who replied regarding 477 and 478 having some of the same > parts. > I might have another option someone in my home town is selling a grand > salon > for spares (now thats an ugly juke). So hear comes my dumb question - this > has no microprocessor but is only a year older so do these share any parts > with the 478? > Now the really dumb question - is it possible or even worthwhile trying to > put some or all of the workings from the grand salon into the more stylish > 478 body. (I'm assuming that the Grand Salon is a better juke as no > microprocessor). Hope thats not 2 horrific an image for anyone but better > than the other way around - imagine a microprocessor heart beating inside > a > plastic fake wood body - pitchforks at the ready! > Cheers > Luke > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.65/2502 - Release Date: 11/14/09 07:43:00 From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Nov 18 12:11:32 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Wed Nov 18 12:13:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke In-Reply-To: <1922E35FF0ED416C9E673AFF574569E1@DBTOA000> References: <002a01ca6546$f1252560$d36f7020$@force9.co.uk> <001d01ca65db$7482e8e0$5d88baa0$@force9.co.uk> <1922E35FF0ED416C9E673AFF574569E1@DBTOA000> Message-ID: <004201ca688b$52f2b0e0$f8d812a0$@force9.co.uk> No problem Luke, glad it gave you some food for thought. I'm sure something will turn up. There are other Rock-Olas with that same technology you can probably use - Vista, Techna, Mystic are all probably do-able. If you are looking for ease of maintenance, and future parts availability, and easy to fix on Christmas Eve jobs, I'd try and go down the earlier electro mechanical route. All the best Nige -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of luke & lucy Sent: 18 November 2009 19:36 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke Hi just wanted to thank you Nigel for taking the time to work this all out for me, its nice to know its possible but probably more than I could handle. also to those who replied re the 477 Max option, unfortunately the guy sold it to someone else for ?80 (i would have paid more) while I was trying to sort transport as its the other side of the country. maybe another one will turn up in a year or so... cheers Luke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke > Luke, > > If you were up for a challenge and a bit of butchery I think you could > massage the electro mechanical workings into the 478. > Although different, the amp and power supply are the same physical size, > so > will swap. > You will need to swap the mech and all its mounting bracketry from one to > the other. > > Complete wiring loom will need swapping. > > You will have 2 challenges - the record now playing indicator and the > selector button assemblies. This is where you will need to be creative. > You > could re-print the Record Now Playing numbers horizontally and mount that > in > place of the existing LED indicator. Button bank is completely different > so > would need swapping. However the numbers on the Grand Salon buttons will > now > be sideways on. Hmm you may need to cannibalise the 477 buttons somehow. > > Swap the speakers too, the bass units have larger /deeper magnets in the > Grand Salon, > > Good luck ;-) > > Nigel, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Pugh > Sent: 14 November 2009 16:24 > To: 'Jukebox mailing list' > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke > > Hi Luke, > > There are very few interchangeable parts between the two. Even the > amplifier > and power supply are different - only turntable and motors / speakers are > the same. > > There is a microprocessor Grand Salon as well as the electro mechanical > one, > I can't remember the number though. One of those would suit you as a parts > donor. > > However, the Grand Salon is ultimately reliable / easily maintainable, and > a > good sound. Parts are easily available but you wouldn't really need any > either way. Only 2 microprocessor chips and they are in the preamp only - > so > nothing to worry about. (just shut your eyes when listening to it ;-) ) > > Regards > > Nigel, UK. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of luke & lucy > Sent: 14 November 2009 14:28 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 478 - Plan B? Frankenjuke > > Hi all > thanks to those who replied regarding 477 and 478 having some of the same > parts. > I might have another option someone in my home town is selling a grand > salon > for spares (now thats an ugly juke). So hear comes my dumb question - this > has no microprocessor but is only a year older so do these share any parts > with the 478? > Now the really dumb question - is it possible or even worthwhile trying to > put some or all of the workings from the grand salon into the more stylish > 478 body. (I'm assuming that the Grand Salon is a better juke as no > microprocessor). Hope thats not 2 horrific an image for anyone but better > than the other way around - imagine a microprocessor heart beating inside > a > plastic fake wood body - pitchforks at the ready! > Cheers > Luke > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.65/2502 - Release Date: 11/14/09 07:43:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dpenoff at mac.com Wed Nov 18 12:39:20 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Wed Nov 18 12:41:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Used Parts - Rowe CD100I In-Reply-To: <004a01ca6857$d07ff290$717fd7b0$%hagens@wxs.nl> References: <004a01ca6857$d07ff290$717fd7b0$%hagens@wxs.nl> Message-ID: <137542306912145458837338445506247536601-Webmail@me.com> I have tried al the usual culprits (Durfee, Bruce, etc.) with no luck, and the parts I need are NLA from Rowe. If anyone knows of others who might be parting out one of these series of jukeboxes, can you let me know who they are? I am trying to locate the crank for the animation motor in the top animation assembly as well as the crank for the left side of the mechanism. These are Rowe part numbers Animation disk crank - 34024601, Animation motor crank - 40909501. Yeah, I know this is a minor thing, but I'm sort of anal about everything working on my machines. Thanks in advance, Dan From blackj at internode.on.net Wed Nov 18 12:52:55 2009 From: blackj at internode.on.net (Jeffrey Black) Date: Wed Nov 18 12:59:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G-200 restoration - a few questions Message-ID: <000601ca6891$1b373530$51a59f90$@on.net> Greetings from Downunder! The restoration of my AMi-G200 goes well, but I have a few questions to ask of the group, mainly related to the purpose of a few parts. I'm intrigued by the purpose of the part that sits inside the horn speaker, and is screwed to the main cabinet. It's listed as "Bracket and Button Assembly" (F-3203). I have this part, but what does it do? While at that end of the box, it seems to me that the whole selector assembly (including the push button bank and title rack windows) isn't secured very well to the cabinet. Is it just that all of this assembly (ie. the glass, the selector and the trim pieces) is bolted onto the front window hinge (L-1213), but the selector panel top trim (L-1220) just floats inside the cabinet? This assembly is quite heavy, and from the parts manual doesn't seem very secure. From photos I've seen of G-200s, I believe I can see the hinge bowing under the weight. Still in this area, the top and bottom plates that hold the glass in place (F-5000 and F-5001) are different. One set of 5 has three holes on the triangular plate, whilst the other set of 5 has one hole. So, which is F-5000 and which is F-5001? Finally, what is the purpose of the two big, deep holes on the centre inside, top and bottom of the front door? I can't see anything that screws into them. They look really ugly! Thanks in advance, Jeff Black. From henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com Wed Nov 18 13:39:01 2009 From: henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Henrik_Niinim=E4ki?=) Date: Wed Nov 18 13:51:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem Message-ID: <4B046975.7070402@luukku.com> I am fixing Wurlitzer 2415 jukebox and it worked quite ok, but now it is not tkaing any credits in anymore and it is not giving Plays anymore from the A or B button (there is only 2 buttons and the Wheel for the selctions). What voltage the selection coils and credit systems are using and is there a fuse (Probably voltage is missing or fuse problem) but I don?t have any wiring diagram for that. Is there any wiring diagram or help for these? Br Henrik From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 13:56:20 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Nov 18 13:58:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Cleaning Early Seeburg Amps Message-ID: <3154d3690911181356x13099c7dmf60e53ef5309695d@mail.gmail.com> If the paint or printing is ratty, water can take it off. Good thing with Westley's is it works within seconds. It should be removed after 10-15 seconds, as it will have spent all its power by then. Scrubbing won't do anything good, so just wipe or flush it off. It doesn't attack paint at all. But, as a general rule, when trying something for the first time, apply on a small corner spot first, justincase. Guess I'll check Spray-nine (also at Walmart?) and Klean Strip out next...Thanks for the tip. In Europe, if the stuff is any good it is prohibited, in my experience. So I do a lot of shopping and shipping when I am over on your side of the pool (which is not very often, sad to say). My teardrop wallspeaker appears to be black bakelite with a painted beige front. best, Jens > 3. Re: Cleaning Early Seeburg Amps (Jjmscf@aol.com) > Westleys will clean but if you leave it on too long it will remove the > screen printing.Just found that out on a MRA-3 amp from a C I was cleaning > last > night.It will also eat the paint off the speaker and tone control plaques > if you get it on them.Good thing there's repros available...lol.Mine were > kinda ratty anyway. I didn't let it get on the serial no. plate at least. > > Westleys is still not as effective as Spray-Nine for cigarette tar which > this one had copious amounts on the underside of the chassis. IMHO > Spray-Nine > is the king of cigarette tar removers,even better than sudsy ammonia. It > will attack some paint though. > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 18 13:56:58 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 18 13:58:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem In-Reply-To: <4B046975.7070402@luukku.com> Message-ID: <708416.7341.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Look at the coin switches first--see if a "coin" or some other object is holding one or more of them closed. After finding that--if the phono is equipped wit a "Playrac", look for a fuse on it--if not, look for a fuse on the "junction box" --it should be an 8/10 slow blowing type.? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: From: Henrik Niinim?ki Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:39 PM I am fixing Wurlitzer 2415 jukebox and it worked quite ok, but now it is not tkaing any credits in anymore and it is not giving Plays anymore from the A or B button (there is only 2 buttons and the Wheel for the selctions). What voltage the selection coils and credit systems are using and is there a fuse (Probably voltage is missing or fuse problem) but I don?t have any wiring diagram for that. Is there any wiring diagram or help for these? Br Henrik _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From Jjmscf at aol.com Wed Nov 18 15:37:42 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 18 15:46:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Cleaning Early Seeburg Amps Message-ID: The thing is the screen printing wasn't ratty.This was one of the cleanest MRA-3s I have laid eyes on out of a jukebox but I felt it could even cleaner. I think the slight layer of cigarette tar protected it a lot from the dark corrosion seen on most of these. There were only a few dark spots where people had handled it and their fingerprint acid slightly turned it black. I left the Westleys on for 10 minutes. I shouldn't have in hindsight. The speaker and tone plates were darkened with some paint coming off the tone plate so that didn't bother me too much.Was gonna replace them anyway.Just a spot came of the speaker plate where the Westleys hit it. It is super clean now.Just gotta be more careful on the selection receiver. J.C. In a message dated 11/18/2009 4:58:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drjukebox@gmail.com writes: If the paint or printing is ratty, water can take it off. Good thing with Westley's is it works within seconds. It should be removed after 10-15 seconds, as it will have spent all its power by then. Scrubbing won't do anything good, so just wipe or flush it off. It doesn't attack paint at all. But, as a general rule, when trying something for the first time, apply on a small corner spot first, justincase. Guess I'll check Spray-nine (also at Walmart?) and Klean Strip out next...Thanks for the tip. In Europe, if the stuff is any good it is prohibited, in my experience. So I do a lot of shopping and shipping when I am over on your side of the pool (which is not very often, sad to say). My teardrop wallspeaker appears to be black bakelite with a painted beige front. best, Jens > 3. Re: Cleaning Early Seeburg Amps (Jjmscf@aol.com) > Westleys will clean but if you leave it on too long it will remove the > screen printing.Just found that out on a MRA-3 amp from a C I was cleaning > last > night.It will also eat the paint off the speaker and tone control plaques > if you get it on them.Good thing there's repros available...lol.Mine were > kinda ratty anyway. I didn't let it get on the serial no. plate at least. > > Westleys is still not as effective as Spray-Nine for cigarette tar which > this one had copious amounts on the underside of the chassis. IMHO > Spray-Nine > is the king of cigarette tar removers,even better than sudsy ammonia. It > will attack some paint though. > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Wed Nov 18 16:20:43 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Nov 18 16:22:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Cleaning Early Seeburg Amps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B048F5B.2010307@west.net> Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > The thing is the screen printing wasn't ratty.This was one of the cleanest > MRA-3s I have laid eyes on out of a jukebox but I felt it could even > cleaner. I think the slight layer of cigarette tar protected it a lot from the > dark corrosion seen on most of these. There were only a few dark spots where > people had handled it and their fingerprint acid slightly turned it black. > I left the Westleys on for 10 minutes. I shouldn't have in hindsight. The cigarette tar may have acted as a solvent over the years and softened the screen printing ink. I used to service two-way radios and the dispatch remotes in answering services (think 24/7 chain-smoking switchboard attendants) would fail regularly with all sorts of smoke-tar-related issues. Nasty stuff. And to think that people breathe it intentionally... -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From steve.lane at dishmail.net Wed Nov 18 17:37:08 2009 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Wed Nov 18 18:08:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record maga z ine assembly In-Reply-To: <61088cf90911141531rf1e1125g221da678768b848f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091114.150901.17974.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> <61088cf90911141531rf1e1125g221da678768b848f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <61088cf90911181737o78a86fd9w4d15ba25bdbc8dcc@mail.gmail.com> OK guys, I found these switches new at a military supplier. They only had 3 so I boughty them. I am hoping that they will work. According to the military supply spec sheet they were manufactured in 1974. I am going to install them and see if they work. Steve On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM, STEVE LANE wrote: > I have been reading that manual. Especially the sequence of operations. It > is the side 1 switch that is bad. Whenever I actuate the switch, the relays > start ratcheting. The side 2 switch might be ok but it gets it's power > through the side 1 switch. I was going to replace them both if they are > available. I sent emails to a couple of the sources that you mentioned. I > already had heard back from a couple of them before (Durfee and Butterfield) > that they do not have them. I also had sent inquiries to others that haven't > gotten back to me yet. I'll give it a few days and maybe something will pan > out. Thanks > > Steve > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 12:09 PM, James Alexander < > jalexandercc@netzero.net> wrote: > >> >> >> Steve: >> >> Before you begin chasing for new readout microswitches,see your service >> manual RE: the mechanical alignment and positioning of these switches. >> Positioning for correct operation is critical. Switch contacts also make in >> the "normal" position--the 2 switches are wired in series with each >> other,you may need only one. >> >> The odd and even side switches are slightly different from each other >> mechanically and do not interchange. >> >> These switches are made by Microswitch (now Honeywell) and new exact >> replacements are not being manufactured.In my opinion, you should find >> replacements from a salvaged Wurlamatic model record changer. New version >> microswitches can be adapted to work, but it's a job fitting them. >> Wurlamatics were used for 3400-3500-3600-3700-3800-7500-1050 model >> jukeboxes,and should be plentiful. >> >> The nationally known parts salvage companies are Durfee Coin op in MA. ( >> www.jukeboxparts.com) Bill Butterfield in CA. (www.jukebox-parts.com) >> Victory Glass in IA. has some OEM parts (www.victoryglass.com) and so >> does Vern Tisdale in AZ. (www.verntisdale.com) There is a poster on >> this list, John Robertson in Vancouver BC (www.flippers.com) that may >> have old US Wurl parts to sell, not sure. >> If none of these pan out, contact me off list and I can point you to some >> other parts providers that do not want to be nationally known. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Jim Alexander >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Doctoral Degrees Online >> Explore our directory of degrees. Move ahead with a Doctorate Degree! >> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=KamX-qnviv_dbwOq4XS00QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAALx0kz4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkSEAAAAAA= >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > From pat2355 at aol.com Wed Nov 18 22:16:37 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 18 22:18:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola Gripper motor gears In-Reply-To: <137542306912145458837338445506247536601-Webmail@me.com> References: <004a01ca6857$d07ff290$717fd7b0$%hagens@wxs.nl> <137542306912145458837338445506247536601-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <8CC36F6FC2A193B-24EC-385F@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> Hello Folks, I was in the process of lubing a gripper assembly, pulled the motor it was bound up. When I opened it up everything was fine except the small white gear has a tooth missing. I found the tooth removed it and put it under my pillow. No Luck. I think the motor will run fine, but if anyone has a motor that's fried with a good gear I'd like to replace mine. The juke is a 1484 Rock-ola and it would help to know if the part spans several years motors. I can provide a part number later if it helps. Contact me off list if you have one to sell. Pat From ccos at knology.net Wed Nov 18 22:23:21 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Nov 18 22:24:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Used Parts - Rowe CD100I In-Reply-To: <137542306912145458837338445506247536601-Webmail@me.com> References: <004a01ca6857$d07ff290$717fd7b0$%hagens@wxs.nl> <137542306912145458837338445506247536601-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: Dan, We talked about these parts but I was so sure you could get them from a Rowe distributor that I advised you to go that way rather than me getting them for you and unnecessarily marking them up. Are you saying a Rowe distributor can't get them for you? If so, that surprises me as late as your jukebox is. Several of the parts you asked for are also used on earlier model jukeboxes. However, they're not all that much earlier than yours......F....or maybe G......don't ask me to swear to it. I know for a fact (because we looked when you sent me your list) that those animation parts weren't compatible with any of the earlier CD100, A, B, C, D, or E models. Anyway, I sort of sent you off to Rowe distributors for these parts but I bet I can find them for you. I'll give it a shot. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Penoff" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:39 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Used Parts - Rowe CD100I > > I have tried al the usual culprits (Durfee, Bruce, etc.) with no luck, and > the parts I need are NLA from Rowe. If anyone knows of others who might > be parting out one of these series of jukeboxes, can you let me know who > they are? > > I am trying to locate the crank for the animation motor in the top > animation assembly as well as the crank for the left side of the > mechanism. These are Rowe part numbers Animation disk crank - 34024601, > Animation motor crank - 40909501. > > Yeah, I know this is a minor thing, but I'm sort of anal about everything > working on my machines. > > Thanks in advance, > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com Wed Nov 18 23:32:44 2009 From: henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Henrik_Niinim=E4ki?=) Date: Wed Nov 18 23:40:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem In-Reply-To: <708416.7341.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <708416.7341.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B04F49C.3030302@luukku.com> Coin switches are ok. When I am clicking coin switch only one relay in the credit box is moving but the coils are not moving. Fuses are also ok. There is one automatic fuse in the credit unit box but it is ok too. If I am moving credit units by hand it is not giving any plays so that is why I am thinking that some voltage is missing. Also if I make a selection by hand the juke starts to play the record and works fine. So probably there is some voltage missing from the credit unit and write in coils?? Does any body know can I measure voltages some where from the credit unit ot write -in coil and what voltages there should be and is there any wiring diagramn anywhere? > Look at the coin switches first--see if a "coin" or some other object is holding one or more of them closed. After finding that--if the phono is equipped wit a "Playrac", look for a fuse on it--if not, look for a fuse on the "junction box" --it should be an 8/10 slow blowing type. Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: > > From: Henrik Niinim?ki > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:39 PM > > I am fixing Wurlitzer 2415 jukebox and it worked quite ok, but now it is not tkaing any credits in anymore and it is not giving Plays anymore from the A or B button (there is only 2 buttons and the Wheel for the selctions). What voltage the selection coils and credit systems are using and is there a fuse (Probably voltage is missing or fuse problem) but I don?t have any wiring diagram for that. Is there any wiring diagram or help for these? > > Br Henrik > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com Wed Nov 18 23:33:53 2009 From: henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Henrik_Niinim=E4ki?=) Date: Wed Nov 18 23:44:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem In-Reply-To: <708416.7341.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <708416.7341.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B04F4E1.6010006@luukku.com> Coin switches are ok. When I am clicking coin switch only one relay in the credit box is moving but the coils are not moving. Fuses are also ok. There is one automatic fuse in the credit unit box but it is ok too. In this 2415 power unit is mixed together with amplifier so the fuse is probably there... If I am moving credit units by hand it is not giving any plays so that is why I am thinking that some voltage is missing. Also if I make a selection by hand the juke starts to play the record and works fine. So probably there is some voltage missing from the credit unit and write in coils?? Does any body know can I measure voltages some where from the credit unit ot write -in coil and what voltages there should be and is there any wiring diagramn anywhere? > Look at the coin switches first--see if a "coin" or some other object is holding one or more of them closed. After finding that--if the phono is equipped wit a "Playrac", look for a fuse on it--if not, look for a fuse on the "junction box" --it should be an 8/10 slow blowing type. Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: > > From: Henrik Niinim?ki > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:39 PM > > I am fixing Wurlitzer 2415 jukebox and it worked quite ok, but now it is not tkaing any credits in anymore and it is not giving Plays anymore from the A or B button (there is only 2 buttons and the Wheel for the selctions). What voltage the selection coils and credit systems are using and is there a fuse (Probably voltage is missing or fuse problem) but I don?t have any wiring diagram for that. Is there any wiring diagram or help for these? > > Br Henrik > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 02:46:12 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 19 02:47:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem In-Reply-To: <4B04F4E1.6010006@luukku.com> Message-ID: <634709.50981.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You will need to purchase a Service Manual for the wiring diagram--Where are you located ? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: From: Henrik Niinim?ki Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 11:33 PM Coin switches are ok. When I am clicking coin switch only one relay in the credit box is moving but the coils are not moving. Fuses are also ok. There is one automatic fuse in the credit unit box but it is ok too. In this 2415 power unit is mixed together with amplifier so the fuse is probably there... If I am moving credit units by hand it is not giving any plays? so that is why I am thinking that some voltage is missing. Also if I make a selection by hand the juke starts to play the record and works fine.? So probably there is some voltage missing from the credit unit and write in coils?? Does any body know can I measure voltages some where from the credit unit ot write -in coil and what voltages there should be and is there any wiring diagramn anywhere? > Look at the coin switches first--see if a "coin" or some other object is holding one or more of them closed. After finding that--if the phono is equipped wit a "Playrac", look for a fuse on it--if not, look for a fuse on the "junction box" --it should be an 8/10 slow blowing type.? Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: > > From: Henrik Niinim?ki > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:39 PM > > I am fixing Wurlitzer 2415 jukebox and it worked quite ok, but now it is not tkaing any credits in anymore and it is not giving Plays anymore from the A or B button (there is only 2 buttons and the Wheel for the selctions). What voltage the selection coils and credit systems are using and is there a fuse (Probably voltage is missing or fuse problem) but I don?t have any wiring diagram for that. Is there any wiring diagram or help for these? > > Br Henrik > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > >? ? ???_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com Thu Nov 19 03:45:26 2009 From: henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Henrik_Niinim=E4ki?=) Date: Thu Nov 19 03:47:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem In-Reply-To: <634709.50981.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <634709.50981.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B052FD6.80108@luukku.com> hello! I am in Finland, helsinki, europe. From where I can find one, 2415 is a special model. Ron Rich kirjoitti: > You will need to purchase a Service Manual for the wiring diagram--Where are you located ? > Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: > > From: Henrik Niinim?ki > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 11:33 PM > > > Coin switches are ok. When I am clicking coin switch only one relay in the credit box is moving but the coils are not moving. Fuses are also ok. There is one automatic fuse in the credit unit box but it is ok too. In this 2415 power unit is mixed together with amplifier so the fuse is probably there... > > If I am moving credit units by hand it is not giving any plays so that is why I am thinking that some voltage is missing. Also if I make a selection by hand the juke starts to play the record and works fine. So probably there is some voltage missing from the credit unit and write in coils?? Does any body know can I measure voltages some where from the credit unit ot write -in coil and what voltages there should be and is there any wiring diagramn anywhere? > > >> Look at the coin switches first--see if a "coin" or some other object is holding one or more of them closed. After finding that--if the phono is equipped wit a "Playrac", look for a fuse on it--if not, look for a fuse on the "junction box" --it should be an 8/10 slow blowing type. Ron Rich >> >> --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: >> >> From: Henrik Niinim?ki >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:39 PM >> >> I am fixing Wurlitzer 2415 jukebox and it worked quite ok, but now it is not tkaing any credits in anymore and it is not giving Plays anymore from the A or B button (there is only 2 buttons and the Wheel for the selctions). What voltage the selection coils and credit systems are using and is there a fuse (Probably voltage is missing or fuse problem) but I don?t have any wiring diagram for that. Is there any wiring diagram or help for these? >> >> Br Henrik >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From rellis2007 at aol.com Thu Nov 19 03:51:52 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 19 03:53:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola Gripper motor gears In-Reply-To: <8CC36F6FC2A193B-24EC-385F@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> References: <004a01ca6857$d07ff290$717fd7b0$%hagens@wxs.nl><137542306912145458837338445506247536601-Webmail@me.com> <8CC36F6FC2A193B-24EC-385F@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC3725D193A22B-7728-BAD5@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> Pat I replaced a gripper motor on a 1485 by just using the motor from a model 441 I used the nose from the 1485 on the 441, motor, worked fine. hope this helps. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: pat2355@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 12:16 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola Gripper motor gears Hello Folks, I was in the process of lubing a gripper assembly, pulled the motor it was bound p. When I opened it up everything was fine except the small white gear has a ooth missing. I found the tooth removed it and put it under my pillow. No Luck. think the motor will run fine, but if anyone has a motor that's fried with a ood gear I'd like to replace mine. The juke is a 1484 Rock-ola and it would elp to know if the part spans several years motors. I can provide a part number ater if it helps. Contact me off list if you have one to sell. Pat ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From rellis2007 at aol.com Thu Nov 19 03:53:20 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 19 03:55:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola Gripper motor gears In-Reply-To: <8CC36F6FC2A193B-24EC-385F@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> References: <004a01ca6857$d07ff290$717fd7b0$%hagens@wxs.nl><137542306912145458837338445506247536601-Webmail@me.com> <8CC36F6FC2A193B-24EC-385F@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC372605F91C4E-7728-BAF9@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> Pat forgot to mention I had to change the plug. doc -----Original Message----- From: pat2355@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 12:16 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola Gripper motor gears Hello Folks, I was in the process of lubing a gripper assembly, pulled the motor it was bound p. When I opened it up everything was fine except the small white gear has a ooth missing. I found the tooth removed it and put it under my pillow. No Luck. think the motor will run fine, but if anyone has a motor that's fried with a ood gear I'd like to replace mine. The juke is a 1484 Rock-ola and it would elp to know if the part spans several years motors. I can provide a part number ater if it helps. Contact me off list if you have one to sell. Pat ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dpenoff at mac.com Thu Nov 19 06:03:53 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Thu Nov 19 06:05:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Used Parts - Rowe CD100I In-Reply-To: <152373243650915394322212421544519639241-Webmail@me.com> References: <152373243650915394322212421544519639241-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <51460388236600368735444616529944803395-Webmail@me.com> Thanks, Karl. I didn't mind going to the Rowe guys for this stuff, as it's pretty piddly things anyway. The only things I really care about are the animation parts, which were the crank on the motor and the shaft/crank on the left side CD. My motor crank is broken and the aluminum arm on the left side CD shaft is broken. If I had the pieces I would attempt to repair them (JB Weld is a wonderful thing!) but I didn't find anything in the bottom of the cabinet, unfortunately. I would still like to get a cabinet lock and key if you have them, though. I did, however, find $52 in the bill acceptor and around $6.00 in quarters in the coin bag. Apparently the previous owner was far less intelligent than I thought, as they must never have looked in either place. Thanks, Dan On Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 01:23AM, "CCOS" wrote: >Dan, > >We talked about these parts but I was so sure you could get them from a Rowe >distributor that I advised you to go that way rather than me getting them >for you and unnecessarily marking them up. Are you saying a Rowe distributor >can't get them for you? If so, that surprises me as late as your jukebox >is. Several of the parts you asked for are also used on earlier model >jukeboxes. However, they're not all that much earlier than >yours......F....or maybe G......don't ask me to swear to it. I know for a >fact (because we looked when you sent me your list) that those animation >parts weren't compatible with any of the earlier CD100, A, B, C, D, or E >models. > >Anyway, I sort of sent you off to Rowe distributors for these parts but I >bet I can find them for you. I'll give it a shot. > >Karl >Columbus Coin-Op Shop >2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. >STE 18 >www.columbuscoinopshop.com >Columbus, GA 31903 >(706)507-2963 From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Thu Nov 19 06:31:01 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Thu Nov 19 06:32:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem In-Reply-To: <4B052FD6.80108@luukku.com> References: <634709.50981.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B052FD6.80108@luukku.com> Message-ID: <242552.72591.qm@web86708.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Henrik, Is it one of these? http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Wurlitzer/Wurlitzer2400.htm? scroll down. I can't say I've ever seen anything like that, it looks like the German Lyric mechanism in?a 2400 cabinet (but it's not the Lyric amplifier assy).? Maybe Oliver and Hildegard at Jukebox World in Germany?might be able to advise whether you should purchase the Lyric service manual for yours? Norman. ________________________________ From: Henrik Niinim?ki To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thursday, 19 November, 2009 11:45:26 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem hello! I am in Finland, helsinki, europe. From where I can find one, 2415 is a special model. Ron Rich kirjoitti: > You will need to purchase a Service Manual for the wiring diagram--Where are you located ? > Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: > > From: Henrik Niinim?ki > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 11:33 PM > > > Coin switches are ok. When I am clicking coin switch only one relay in the credit box is moving but the coils are not moving. Fuses are also ok. There is one automatic fuse in the credit unit box but it is ok too. In this 2415 power unit is mixed together with amplifier so the fuse is probably there... > > If I am moving credit units by hand it is not giving any plays? so that is why I am thinking that some voltage is missing. Also if I make a selection by hand the juke starts to play the record and works fine.? So probably there is some voltage missing from the credit unit and write in coils?? Does any body know can I measure voltages some where from the credit unit ot write -in coil and what voltages there should be and is there any wiring diagramn anywhere? > >? >> Look at the coin switches first--see if a "coin" or some other object is holding one or more of them closed. After finding that--if the phono is equipped wit a "Playrac", look for a fuse on it--if not, look for a fuse on the "junction box" --it should be an 8/10 slow blowing type.? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: >> >> From: Henrik Niinim?ki >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:39 PM >> >> I am fixing Wurlitzer 2415 jukebox and it worked quite ok, but now it is not tkaing any credits in anymore and it is not giving Plays anymore from the A or B button (there is only 2 buttons and the Wheel for the selctions). What voltage the selection coils and credit systems are using and is there a fuse (Probably voltage is missing or fuse problem) but I don?t have any wiring diagram for that. Is there any wiring diagram or help for these? >> >> Br Henrik >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >>? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>? ? >>? ? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > >? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dpenoff at mac.com Thu Nov 19 07:27:42 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Thu Nov 19 07:29:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Recapping an Amp - Vern In-Reply-To: <6652657354073635817661419224919776302-Webmail@me.com> References: <6652657354073635817661419224919776302-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <9088155379725668566174070584869354041-Webmail@me.com> Just a general note to my fellow listmembers about Vern Tisdale and his recapping kits for various jukebox amplifiers.... I got a kit from Vern a month or so ago for my Wurlitzer 3860. It was amazingly detailed, with notes about updates to be done to improve the amp as well as very meticulously labeled parts for the job. I sat down at my bench last night to start in on one of the amp boards with the intention of going through it slowly and moving on to the other parts as I felt the urge. By midnight I was done with everything (sometimes you just get caught up!) and couldn't resist putting the amp back in the machine and (quietly) running it to see if all was well. Needless to say it fired up with no problems and at the volume I could turn it up to without disturbing the household it sounded great. Tonight after work I'll crank it up to higher levels and get a better idea of the sound. One question I had for the group - at the same time I did the recap I replaced the four power transistors for the amp's output stage. I used new mica insulators that were supplied with the transistors (they are TO-3 style) but did not have any thermal compound to put on them. What I removed had little or no thermal compound that I could see - it was a clear material and there was little or nothing on the transistor side of the old insulators. Should I go back and put thermal compound on the transistors, or leave them be? They are simple enough to remove and replace, as they are socketed, so doing this would not be a big deal. I'll just have to go out and get some if necessary. And boy, do I wish I had a solder sucker last night..... Dan From jay at west.net Thu Nov 19 08:50:32 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Nov 19 08:58:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Recapping an Amp - Vern In-Reply-To: <9088155379725668566174070584869354041-Webmail@me.com> References: <6652657354073635817661419224919776302-Webmail@me.com> <9088155379725668566174070584869354041-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <4B057758.2070501@west.net> Dan Penoff wrote: > One question I had for the group - at the same time I did the recap I replaced the four power transistors for the amp's output stage. I used new mica insulators that were supplied with the transistors (they are TO-3 style) but did not have any thermal compound to put on them. What I removed had little or no thermal compound that I could see - it was a clear material and there was little or nothing on the transistor side of the old insulators. > > Should I go back and put thermal compound on the transistors, or leave them be? They are simple enough to remove and replace, as they are socketed, so doing this would not be a big deal. I'll just have to go out and get some if necessary. > > And boy, do I wish I had a solder sucker last night..... I would do so. In the early days the thermal compound was plain clear silicone grease. Modern thermal compound has a white or silver colored look due to heat-conducting material mixed in with the grease. A very small amount is all that it takes, don't overdo it as it just makes a mess. A tiny thin smear on both sides of the mica washer is fine. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pat2355 at aol.com Thu Nov 19 08:57:57 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 19 09:00:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <349596.99612.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC375093CFBD13-1988-18A6A@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> I got my bad feedback...I feel so small * Deceptive listing. Seller didn't describe the item accurately. Unreasonable.* I think no matter what I'd said about the amp he was hoping for more than a 50 year old amp in excellent used condition. I'd like to see E-Bay step up and tell the community whether any official action was initiated and the results. Since this buyer (read putz) bought "as is " the story is officially over, but what an annoyance. Pat From ksherwin at execpc.com Thu Nov 19 08:59:42 2009 From: ksherwin at execpc.com (Karl Sherwin) Date: Thu Nov 19 09:01:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Recapping an Amp - Vern References: <6652657354073635817661419224919776302-Webmail@me.com> <9088155379725668566174070584869354041-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <006c01ca6939$b093f7a0$6501a8c0@KARL> Hi Dan, Glad to hear everything worked out well. I would suggest using a thin layer of thermal compound with the mica insulators. I stress "thin" - the purpose of the compound is to fill in the tiny voids in the surfaces of the transistor, insulator, and heatsink. If you use too much, it will impede the transfer of heat. Another option, much cleaner but more expensive, is to use SilPads. Digikey has them, but I don't know if there is a minimum quantity or not. In your case for 4 transistors, I'd stick with the thermal compound and mica insulator. Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Penoff" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:27 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Recapping an Amp - Vern > Just a general note to my fellow listmembers about Vern Tisdale and his > recapping kits for various jukebox amplifiers.... > > I got a kit from Vern a month or so ago for my Wurlitzer 3860. It was > amazingly detailed, with notes about updates to be done to improve the amp > as well as very meticulously labeled parts for the job. > > I sat down at my bench last night to start in on one of the amp boards > with the intention of going through it slowly and moving on to the other > parts as I felt the urge. By midnight I was done with everything > (sometimes you just get caught up!) and couldn't resist putting the amp > back in the machine and (quietly) running it to see if all was well. > > Needless to say it fired up with no problems and at the volume I could > turn it up to without disturbing the household it sounded great. Tonight > after work I'll crank it up to higher levels and get a better idea of the > sound. > > One question I had for the group - at the same time I did the recap I > replaced the four power transistors for the amp's output stage. I used > new mica insulators that were supplied with the transistors (they are TO-3 > style) but did not have any thermal compound to put on them. What I > removed had little or no thermal compound that I could see - it was a > clear material and there was little or nothing on the transistor side of > the old insulators. > > Should I go back and put thermal compound on the transistors, or leave > them be? They are simple enough to remove and replace, as they are > socketed, so doing this would not be a big deal. I'll just have to go out > and get some if necessary. > > And boy, do I wish I had a solder sucker last night..... > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 09:14:28 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 19 09:16:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem In-Reply-To: <4B052FD6.80108@luukku.com> Message-ID: <881984.26760.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You should be able to get a 2400 manual--I have no idea what the difference is--but it should be very close. Contact Oliver or Hildegard Stamann in Germany at stamann@jukebox-world.de? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: From: Henrik Niinim?ki Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 3:45 AM hello! I am in Finland, helsinki, europe. From where I can find one, 2415 is a special model. Ron Rich kirjoitti: > You will need to purchase a Service Manual for the wiring diagram--Where are you located ? > Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: > > From: Henrik Niinim?ki > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 11:33 PM > > > Coin switches are ok. When I am clicking coin switch only one relay in the credit box is moving but the coils are not moving. Fuses are also ok. There is one automatic fuse in the credit unit box but it is ok too. In this 2415 power unit is mixed together with amplifier so the fuse is probably there... > > If I am moving credit units by hand it is not giving any plays? so that is why I am thinking that some voltage is missing. Also if I make a selection by hand the juke starts to play the record and works fine.? So probably there is some voltage missing from the credit unit and write in coils?? Does any body know can I measure voltages some where from the credit unit ot write -in coil and what voltages there should be and is there any wiring diagramn anywhere? > >??? >> Look at the coin switches first--see if a "coin" or some other object is holding one or more of them closed. After finding that--if the phono is equipped wit a "Playrac", look for a fuse on it--if not, look for a fuse on the "junction box" --it should be an 8/10 slow blowing type.? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: >> >> From: Henrik Niinim?ki >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:39 PM >> >> I am fixing Wurlitzer 2415 jukebox and it worked quite ok, but now it is not tkaing any credits in anymore and it is not giving Plays anymore from the A or B button (there is only 2 buttons and the Wheel for the selctions). What voltage the selection coils and credit systems are using and is there a fuse (Probably voltage is missing or fuse problem) but I don?t have any wiring diagram for that. Is there any wiring diagram or help for these? >> >> Br Henrik >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >>? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>? ? >>? ??? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > >? ? ??? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinball at telus.net Thu Nov 19 09:18:46 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Nov 19 09:20:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Recapping an Amp - Vern In-Reply-To: <9088155379725668566174070584869354041-Webmail@me.com> References: <6652657354073635817661419224919776302-Webmail@me.com> <9088155379725668566174070584869354041-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <4B057DF6.9030107@telus.net> Dan Penoff wrote: > Just a general note to my fellow listmembers about Vern Tisdale and his recapping kits for various jukebox amplifiers.... > > I got a kit from Vern a month or so ago for my Wurlitzer 3860. It was amazingly detailed, with notes about updates to be done to improve the amp as well as very meticulously labeled parts for the job. > ... > > One question I had for the group - at the same time I did the recap I replaced the four power transistors for the amp's output stage. I used new mica insulators that were supplied with the transistors (they are TO-3 style) but did not have any thermal compound to put on them. What I removed had little or no thermal compound that I could see - it was a clear material and there was little or nothing on the transistor side of the old insulators. > > Should I go back and put thermal compound on the transistors, or leave them be? They are simple enough to remove and replace, as they are socketed, so doing this would not be a big deal. I'll just have to go out and get some if necessary. > > And boy, do I wish I had a solder sucker last night..... > > Dan > I recommend using the thermal compound - for an amp running at low volumes it is not a problem but if you ever crank it up for a while you could overheat the output transistors. Depending on the amp, some have a bias adjustment that MUST be done as well. Wurlitzers needed that for the later (3300 or so and up) that used Silicon transistors. I do not recall any Wurlitzer amp using Germanium transistors that had a bias adjustment. Lastly, a simply check if everything is going well is to run the jukebox for a short while (a minute or two) at very low volume, then feel the output transistors - they should be barely warm, if not at room temperature. If good, then run the amp for 15 minutes (then 1 hour) and check again. If OK, then it is probably safe to close up the machine. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From cdstock at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 09:21:47 2009 From: cdstock at gmail.com (cdstock) Date: Thu Nov 19 09:23:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Recapping an Amp - Vern In-Reply-To: <9088155379725668566174070584869354041-Webmail@me.com> References: <6652657354073635817661419224919776302-Webmail@me.com> <9088155379725668566174070584869354041-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <5e0bc7060911190921r186e79ecyf8bec8c7647e3d76@mail.gmail.com> I usually put a small drop of grease on the case and use a toothpick to smear it around nice and thin on the surface, and when you tightened down the transistor you should barely see some squeeze out the edges. If a lot comes out you have way too much. Last but not least a "SOLDAPULLT" is a must! On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > ?Just a general note to my fellow listmembers about Vern Tisdale and his recapping kits for various jukebox amplifiers.... > > I got a kit from Vern a month or so ago for my Wurlitzer 3860. ?It was amazingly detailed, with notes about updates to be done to improve the amp as well as very meticulously labeled parts for the job. > > I sat down at my bench last night to start in on one of the amp boards with the intention of going through it slowly and moving on to the other parts as I felt the urge. ?By midnight I was done with everything (sometimes you just get caught up!) and couldn't resist putting the amp back in the machine and (quietly) running it to see if all was well. > > Needless to say it fired up with no problems and at the volume I could turn it up to without disturbing the household it sounded great. ?Tonight after work I'll crank it up to higher levels and get a better idea of the sound. > > One question I had for the group - at the same time I did the recap I replaced the four power transistors for the amp's output stage. ?I used new mica insulators that were supplied with the transistors (they are TO-3 style) but did not have any thermal compound to put on them. What I removed had little or no thermal compound that I could see - it was a clear material and there was little or nothing on the transistor side of the old insulators. > > Should I go back and put thermal compound on the transistors, or leave them be? ?They are simple enough to remove and replace, as they are socketed, so doing this would not be a big deal. ?I'll just have to go out and get some if necessary. > > And boy, do I wish I had a solder sucker last night..... > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From stamann at jukebox-world.de Thu Nov 19 09:25:26 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Thu Nov 19 09:28:49 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem Message-ID: Hello Norman, Henrik and Ron thanks for our link below, Norman. I agree, model 2415 looks like a 2410 with a German Wurlitzer Lyric manual select mechanism. And as you said - it's not the German amplifier P38 which was used. It could be the amp 538 which was used in 2400 stereo series. Also the manual wheel is not the one used in German Lyrics - so casa Riojas must have been made something by themselves or so. @ Henrik: like Ron - I would recommend to get the 2400 manual as I'm sure most parts/components will be US Wurlitzer. We do have an English 1964 German Lyric description for the function of the manual selection. So that could be included of course if needed. You can try to get in touch with the (former) owner of the 2415 shown on the mentioned site. He should know whether most components are US or not. Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von NORMAN MACRAE Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. November 2009 15:46 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem Henrik, Is it one of these? http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Wurlitzer/Wurlitzer2400.htm scroll down. I can't say I've ever seen anything like that, it looks like the German Lyric mechanism in?a 2400 cabinet (but it's not the Lyric amplifier assy).? Maybe Oliver and Hildegard at Jukebox World in Germany?might be able to advise whether you should purchase the Lyric service manual for yours? Norman. ________________________________ From: Henrik Niinim?ki To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thursday, 19 November, 2009 11:45:26 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem hello! I am in Finland, helsinki, europe. >From where I can find one, 2415 is a special model. Ron Rich kirjoitti: > You will need to purchase a Service Manual for the wiring diagram--Where are you located ? > Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: > > From: Henrik Niinim?ki > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 11:33 PM > > > Coin switches are ok. When I am clicking coin switch only one relay in the credit box is moving but the coils are not moving. Fuses are also ok. There is one automatic fuse in the credit unit box but it is ok too. In this 2415 power unit is mixed together with amplifier so the fuse is probably there... > > If I am moving credit units by hand it is not giving any plays? so that is why I am thinking that some voltage is missing. Also if I make a selection by hand the juke starts to play the record and works fine.? So probably there is some voltage missing from the credit unit and write in coils?? Does any body know can I measure voltages some where from the credit unit ot write -in coil and what voltages there should be and is there any wiring diagramn anywhere? > >? >> Look at the coin switches first--see if a "coin" or some other object is holding one or more of them closed. After finding that--if the phono is equipped wit a "Playrac", look for a fuse on it--if not, look for a fuse on the "junction box" --it should be an 8/10 slow blowing type.? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: >> >> From: Henrik Niinim?ki >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:39 PM >> >> I am fixing Wurlitzer 2415 jukebox and it worked quite ok, but now it is not tkaing any credits in anymore and it is not giving Plays anymore from the A or B button (there is only 2 buttons and the Wheel for the selctions). What voltage the selection coils and credit systems are using and is there a fuse (Probably voltage is missing or fuse problem) but I don?t have any wiring diagram for that. Is there any wiring diagram or help for these? >> >> Br Henrik >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >>? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>? ? >>? ? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > >? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dpenoff at mac.com Thu Nov 19 09:53:28 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Thu Nov 19 09:55:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Recapping an Amp - Vern In-Reply-To: <88117929955234145332933526996768102781-Webmail@me.com> References: <88117929955234145332933526996768102781-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <111829267544548980384958069704716328362-Webmail@me.com> So it appears the consensus is to go back and put some thermal compound on the transistors, which does not come as a surprise to me. I ran it shortly (one selection) last night and checked the transistors and none of them were even warm to the touch, so I'm pretty comfortable that the bias voltage is probably OK. It's been a long, long time since I've done any PC board work on something this old, so I no longer have a tube of the stuff around. Guess I'll have to swing by "The Shack" and see if they have any. Thank goodness the transistors are just bolted on and not soldered. That would be a real PITA to have to desolder them.... and yes, as mentioned before, I really, really missed my "solder sucker." Dan On Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 12:21PM, "cdstock" wrote: >I usually put a small drop of grease on the case and use a toothpick >to smear it around nice and thin on the surface, and when you >tightened down the transistor you should barely see some squeeze out >the edges. If a lot comes out you have way too much. > >Last but not least a "SOLDAPULLT" is a must! > >On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: >> ?Just a general note to my fellow listmembers about Vern Tisdale and his recapping kits for various jukebox amplifiers.... >> >> I got a kit from Vern a month or so ago for my Wurlitzer 3860. ?It was amazingly detailed, with notes about updates to be done to improve the amp as well as very meticulously labeled parts for the job. >> >> I sat down at my bench last night to start in on one of the amp boards with the intention of going through it slowly and moving on to the other parts as I felt the urge. ?By midnight I was done with everything (sometimes you just get caught up!) and couldn't resist putting the amp back in the machine and (quietly) running it to see if all was well. >> >> Needless to say it fired up with no problems and at the volume I could turn it up to without disturbing the household it sounded great. ?Tonight after work I'll crank it up to higher levels and get a better idea of the sound. >> >> One question I had for the group - at the same time I did the recap I replaced the four power transistors for the amp's output stage. ?I used new mica insulators that were supplied with the transistors (they are TO-3 style) but did not have any thermal compound to put on them. What I removed had little or no thermal compound that I could see - it was a clear material and there was little or nothing on the transistor side of the old insulators. >> >> Should I go back and put thermal compound on the transistors, or leave them be? ?They are simple enough to remove and replace, as they are socketed, so doing this would not be a big deal. ?I'll just have to go out and get some if necessary. >> >> And boy, do I wish I had a solder sucker last night..... >> >> Dan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 09:58:07 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 19 09:59:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Recapping an Amp - Vern In-Reply-To: <9088155379725668566174070584869354041-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <492408.31744.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dan, Ab-sol-lutly replace the heat sink compound on the trannies ! BTW I'm not sure about Wurlies. but the clear stuff Seeburg used is Dow Corning # 5 compound. It's much less "messy" and stays wet for 40 plus years--- Also be sure the screws holding the outputs are tight !? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Dan Penoff wrote: From: Dan Penoff Subject: [Jukebox-list] Recapping an Amp - Vern To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 7:27 AM Just a general note to my fellow listmembers about Vern Tisdale and his recapping kits for various jukebox amplifiers.... I got a kit from Vern a month or so ago for my Wurlitzer 3860.? It was amazingly detailed, with notes about updates to be done to improve the amp as well as very meticulously labeled parts for the job. I sat down at my bench last night to start in on one of the amp boards with the intention of going through it slowly and moving on to the other parts as I felt the urge.? By midnight I was done with everything (sometimes you just get caught up!) and couldn't resist putting the amp back in the machine and (quietly) running it to see if all was well. Needless to say it fired up with no problems and at the volume I could turn it up to without disturbing the household it sounded great.? Tonight after work I'll crank it up to higher levels and get a better idea of the sound. One question I had for the group - at the same time I did the recap I replaced the four power transistors for the amp's output stage.? I used new mica insulators that were supplied with the transistors (they are TO-3 style) but did not have any thermal compound to put on them. What I removed had little or no thermal compound that I could see - it was a clear material and there was little or nothing on the transistor side of the old insulators. Should I go back and put thermal compound on the transistors, or leave them be?? They are simple enough to remove and replace, as they are socketed, so doing this would not be a big deal.? I'll just have to go out and get some if necessary. And boy, do I wish I had a solder sucker last night..... Dan _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 10:12:43 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 19 10:14:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <8CC375093CFBD13-1988-18A6A@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <78398.29793.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Pat, Can't you still add a comment --or has eBay eliminated that too? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/19/09, pat2355@aol.com wrote: From: pat2355@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 8:57 AM I got my bad feedback...I feel so small? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? * Deceptive listing. Seller didn't describe the item accurately. Unreasonable.* I think no matter what I'd said about the amp he was hoping for more than a 50 year old amp in excellent used condition. I'd like to see E-Bay step up and tell the community whether any official? action was initiated and the results. Since this buyer (read putz) bought "as is " the? story is officially over, but what an annoyance. Pat _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pat2355 at aol.com Thu Nov 19 10:44:45 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 19 10:46:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <78398.29793.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC375F7F615797-49A4-19E82@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> Ron, I don't see any way to respond. That's why I think Ebay should post a response kinda like: Officially we have found no fault and believe the transaction was completed in good faith by both parties. Now the last to give feedback can leave a zinger. I guess the lesson is to hold your feedback until last. Kinda silly way to do business. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:12 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Pat, Can't you still add a comment --or has eBay eliminated that too? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/19/09, pat2355@aol.com wrote: From: pat2355@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 8:57 AM I got my bad feedback...I feel so small * Deceptive listing. Seller didn't describe the item accurately. Unreasonable.* I think no matter what I'd said about the amp he was hoping for more than a 50 year old amp in excellent used condition. I'd like to see E-Bay step up and tell the community whether any official action was initiated and the results. Since this buyer (read putz) bought "as is " the story is officially over, but what an annoyance. Pat _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 11:45:00 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 19 11:46:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic In-Reply-To: <8CC375F7F615797-49A4-19E82@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <742264.89224.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Pat, Too bad--usedtowaz that you could "respond" to a neg feedback. I think that this is totally unfair, and it's the main reason I no longer sell--? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/19/09, pat2355@aol.com wrote: From: pat2355@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 10:44 AM Ron, I don't see any way to respond. That's why I think Ebay should post a response kinda like: Officially we have found no fault and believe the transaction was completed in good faith by both parties. Now the last to give feedback can leave a zinger. I guess the lesson is to hold your feedback until last. Kinda silly way to do business. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:12 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic Pat, Can't you still add a comment --or has eBay eliminated that too? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/19/09, pat2355@aol.com wrote: From: pat2355@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] amp opinion *WARNING* off topic To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 8:57 AM I got my bad feedback...I feel so small? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? * Deceptive listing. Seller didn't describe the item accurately. Unreasonable.* I think no matter what I'd said about the amp he was hoping for more than a 50 year old amp in excellent used condition. I'd like to see E-Bay step up and tell the community whether any official? action was initiated and the results. Since this buyer (read putz) bought "as is " the? story is officially over, but what an annoyance. Pat _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 19 17:37:39 2009 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Bud Wintermantel) Date: Thu Nov 19 17:39:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Cleaning Early Seeburg Amps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5363.37504.qm@web82405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> J.C. I just cleaned my rock#418 amp with Noxon 7?(same as Brasso). It was pretty grungy with?forty five?years of assorted gunk.?It came out great and I did not loose any of the silk screen and it is easy to apply. It also does a nice job on the transformers.?(Thanks For The Tip Ron) The funny thing is I was using Brasso about 45 years ago when I was in the service. Every PX was well stocked as this was the mainstay to keep all your brass spit shined. They are ?probably still using it. Great product. Bud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Cleaning Early Seeburg Amps To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 3:37 PM The thing is the screen printing wasn't ratty.This was one of the cleanest? MRA-3s I have laid eyes on out of a jukebox but I felt it could? even? cleaner. I think the slight layer of cigarette tar protected it a lot from? the dark corrosion seen on most of these. There were only a few dark spots where people had handled it and their fingerprint acid slightly turned it black. I left the Westleys on for 10 minutes. I shouldn't have in hindsight. The speaker and tone plates were darkened with some paint coming off? the tone plate so that didn't bother me too much.Was gonna replace them? anyway.Just a spot came of the speaker plate where the Westleys hit it. It is super clean now.Just gotta be more careful on the selection? receiver. J.C. In a message dated 11/18/2009 4:58:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,? drjukebox@gmail.com writes: If the? paint or printing is ratty, water can take it off. Good thing with? Westley's is it works within seconds. It should be removed after 10-15? seconds, as it will have spent all its power by then. Scrubbing won't do? anything good, so just wipe or flush it off. It doesn't attack paint at? all. But, as a general rule, when trying something for the first time,? apply on a small corner spot first, justincase. Guess I'll check? Spray-nine (also at Walmart?) and Klean Strip out next...Thanks for the? tip. In Europe, if the stuff is any good it is prohibited, in my? experience. So I do a lot of shopping and shipping when I am over on your? side of the pool (which is not very often, sad to say). My teardrop? wallspeaker? appears to be black bakelite with a painted? beige front. best, Jens >? ? 3. Re: Cleaning Early Seeburg Amps (Jjmscf@aol.com) > Westleys will? clean but if you leave it on too long it will remove the > screen? printing.Just found that out on a MRA-3 amp from a C I was cleaning >? last >? night.It will also eat the paint off the speaker and tone? control plaques > if you? get it on them.Good thing there's repros? available...lol.Mine were > kinda ratty? anyway. I didn't let it? get on the serial no. plate at least. > > Westleys is still not as? effective as Spray-Nine for cigarette tar which > this one had copious? amounts on the underside of the chassis. IMHO > Spray-Nine >? is? the king of cigarette tar removers,even better than sudsy ammonia.? It > will? attack some paint? though. > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list? mailing? list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable? Archives:? http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From kjq45 at att.net Thu Nov 19 20:07:41 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Thu Nov 19 20:09:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Recapping an Amp - Vern References: <6652657354073635817661419224919776302-Webmail@me.com> <9088155379725668566174070584869354041-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <2FC3D5EF8B9D498CB2CE2471AC2F3231@D41XWQ61> I repaired solid state amps in school record players for many years and yes, I would apply the grease to the solid state device. It is intended to transfer heat to the chassis. Not using grease may cause the device to overheat and burn out. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Penoff" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Recapping an Amp - Vern > Just a general note to my fellow listmembers about Vern Tisdale and his > recapping kits for various jukebox amplifiers.... > > I got a kit from Vern a month or so ago for my Wurlitzer 3860. It was > amazingly detailed, with notes about updates to be done to improve the amp > as well as very meticulously labeled parts for the job. > > I sat down at my bench last night to start in on one of the amp boards > with the intention of going through it slowly and moving on to the other > parts as I felt the urge. By midnight I was done with everything > (sometimes you just get caught up!) and couldn't resist putting the amp > back in the machine and (quietly) running it to see if all was well. > > Needless to say it fired up with no problems and at the volume I could > turn it up to without disturbing the household it sounded great. Tonight > after work I'll crank it up to higher levels and get a better idea of the > sound. > > One question I had for the group - at the same time I did the recap I > replaced the four power transistors for the amp's output stage. I used > new mica insulators that were supplied with the transistors (they are TO-3 > style) but did not have any thermal compound to put on them. What I > removed had little or no thermal compound that I could see - it was a > clear material and there was little or nothing on the transistor side of > the old insulators. > > Should I go back and put thermal compound on the transistors, or leave > them be? They are simple enough to remove and replace, as they are > socketed, so doing this would not be a big deal. I'll just have to go out > and get some if necessary. > > And boy, do I wish I had a solder sucker last night..... > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com Thu Nov 19 22:46:31 2009 From: henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Henrik_Niinim=E4ki?=) Date: Thu Nov 19 22:48:09 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B063B47.3050509@luukku.com> Hello all, Thanks for the tips. Actually I found the problem. There was a shortcut to the chassis in letter B button. It didn?t burn the fuse but it changed the functionality with very strange way :() Anyway I reinstalled letter B button and after that it is now working fine. Actually the 2415 credit unit is almost the same as in 2300. It is using 24 volts voltage there. br henrik Stamann kirjoitti: > Hello Norman, Henrik and Ron > > thanks for our link below, Norman. > > I agree, model 2415 looks like a 2410 with a German Wurlitzer Lyric manual select mechanism. And as you said - it's not the German amplifier P38 which was used. > It could be the amp 538 which was used in 2400 stereo series. Also the manual wheel is not the one used in German Lyrics - so casa Riojas must have been made something by themselves or so. > > @ Henrik: like Ron - I would recommend to get the 2400 manual as I'm sure most parts/components will be US Wurlitzer. > We do have an English 1964 German Lyric description for the function of the manual selection. So that could be included of course if needed. > You can try to get in touch with the (former) owner of the 2415 shown on the mentioned site. He should know whether most components are US or not. > > Kind regards - Hildegard > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von NORMAN MACRAE > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. November 2009 15:46 > An: Jukebox mailing list > Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem > > Henrik, > Is it one of these http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Wurlitzer/Wurlitzer2400.htm scroll down. > > I can't say I've ever seen anything like that, it looks like the German Lyric mechanism in a 2400 cabinet (but it's not the Lyric amplifier assy). Maybe Oliver and Hildegard at Jukebox World in Germany might be able to advise whether you should purchase the Lyric service manual for yours? > > Norman. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Henrik Niinim?ki > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Thursday, 19 November, 2009 11:45:26 > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem > > hello! > > I am in Finland, helsinki, europe. > > >From where I can find one, 2415 is a special model. > > > > Ron Rich kirjoitti: > >> You will need to purchase a Service Manual for the wiring diagram--Where are you located ? >> Ron Rich >> >> --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: >> >> From: Henrik Niinim?ki >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 11:33 PM >> >> >> Coin switches are ok. When I am clicking coin switch only one relay in the credit box is moving but the coils are not moving. Fuses are also ok. There is one automatic fuse in the credit unit box but it is ok too. In this 2415 power unit is mixed together with amplifier so the fuse is probably there... >> >> If I am moving credit units by hand it is not giving any plays so that is why I am thinking that some voltage is missing. Also if I make a selection by hand the juke starts to play the record and works fine. So probably there is some voltage missing from the credit unit and write in coils?? Does any body know can I measure voltages some where from the credit unit ot write -in coil and what voltages there should be and is there any wiring diagramn anywhere? >> >> >> >>> Look at the coin switches first--see if a "coin" or some other object is holding one or more of them closed. After finding that--if the phono is equipped wit a "Playrac", look for a fuse on it--if not, look for a fuse on the "junction box" --it should be an 8/10 slow blowing type. Ron Rich >>> >>> --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: >>> >>> From: Henrik Niinim?ki >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem >>> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:39 PM >>> >>> I am fixing Wurlitzer 2415 jukebox and it worked quite ok, but now it is not tkaing any credits in anymore and it is not giving Plays anymore from the A or B button (there is only 2 buttons and the Wheel for the selctions). What voltage the selection coils and credit systems are using and is there a fuse (Probably voltage is missing or fuse problem) but I don?t have any wiring diagram for that. Is there any wiring diagram or help for these? >>> >>> Br Henrik >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 20 07:42:03 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 20 07:45:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola Gripper motor gears Message-ID: <20091120.104203.21710.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Pat: I have an old RockOla motor assy that's missing some parts, but the white plastic gear is in good shape. Willing to sell cheap. This motor is an early 60's vintage (Tempo models?) record basket motor that has the 4 pin red Amplok connector, but I believe that all of the gearing for gripper, basket, newer and older motors are the same. Contact me offlist if you're interested. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Healthcare Administration Earn your AA or BA in Healthcare Administration, 100% online. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=w_ovQ7h9MrCoym31IaQNfAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAGPnPj8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANiiQAAAAA= From dpenoff at mac.com Fri Nov 20 07:56:02 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Fri Nov 20 07:58:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frustration with Wurlitzer 556 Amp In-Reply-To: <82555625382464891018084106344282839797-Webmail@me.com> References: <82555625382464891018084106344282839797-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <98293130057372406227306496521570670410-Webmail@me.com> I recapped my 556 amp on Wednesday night and all seemed well. Last night I pulled the power transistors and put some thermal paste on them as prescribed. Put the amp back in the machine, turned it on, and .... nada. Nothing. I know that long distance troubleshooting is is difficult at best, but here is what I have at this point: 1.) The usual "thump" on power up of the jukebox. 2.) Mute relay working as expected. 3.) Voltages at factory test points as prescribed by the service manual. 4.) Shorting of driver transistors will yield the expected "pop" at the speakers for the appropriate channel. 5.) Power transistors are cold to the touch. 6.) Altering the input signal does nothing (e.g., touching the RCA jacks with a finger to induce some hum) 7.) Power transistor sockets are tight on the pins, mica washers are installed and intact. I'm open to suggestions here. I've apparently altered something when I had it out and don't know what I did. I'm bumming out right now, as this was working fine the other night when I finished recapping it.... Dan From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 20 08:12:56 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 20 08:16:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frustration with Wurlitzer 556 Amp Message-ID: <20091120.111256.8272.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Dan: I'd use my VOM to check for some key operating voltages. You are aware that AC power for the amp comes from the outboard power supply chassis in your juke,right? Good luck in your efforts. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Healthcare Administration Earn your AA or BA in Healthcare Administration, 100% online. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=QAG6rPiCQhqj--kz7I6QmgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAGPnPj8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANiiQAAAAA= From jeffzurn at cox.net Fri Nov 20 08:16:53 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Fri Nov 20 08:18:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frustration with Wurlitzer 556 Amp References: <82555625382464891018084106344282839797-Webmail@me.com> <98293130057372406227306496521570670410-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <000801ca69fc$df95c510$2fed4109@IBMCamargo> seems simple, but check your fuses. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Penoff" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frustration with Wurlitzer 556 Amp >I recapped my 556 amp on Wednesday night and all seemed well. Last night I >pulled the power transistors and put some thermal paste on them as >prescribed. Put the amp back in the machine, turned it on, and .... nada. >Nothing. > > I know that long distance troubleshooting is is difficult at best, but > here is what I have at this point: > > 1.) The usual "thump" on power up of the jukebox. > > 2.) Mute relay working as expected. > > 3.) Voltages at factory test points as prescribed by the service manual. > > 4.) Shorting of driver transistors will yield the expected "pop" at the > speakers for the appropriate channel. > > 5.) Power transistors are cold to the touch. > > 6.) Altering the input signal does nothing (e.g., touching the RCA jacks > with a finger to induce some hum) > > 7.) Power transistor sockets are tight on the pins, mica washers are > installed and intact. > > I'm open to suggestions here. I've apparently altered something when I > had it out and don't know what I did. I'm bumming out right now, as this > was working fine the other night when I finished recapping it.... > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From dpenoff at mac.com Fri Nov 20 09:12:31 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Fri Nov 20 09:14:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frustration with Wurlitzer 556 Amp In-Reply-To: <000801ca69fc$df95c510$2fed4109@IBMCamargo> References: <82555625382464891018084106344282839797-Webmail@me.com> <98293130057372406227306496521570670410-Webmail@me.com> <000801ca69fc$df95c510$2fed4109@IBMCamargo> Message-ID: <57748065385380546182919181970162383388-Webmail@me.com> Thanks to both Jim and Jeff for their suggestions. I checked all the fuses and they are intact (voltage drop test, not just a visual.) And yes, Jim, I am aware that the power for the amp comes from the outboard power supply. In fact, I have all of the necessary operating voltages present (+/-35V, +/- 22V, etc.) in the amp while the machine is powered up and a record is playing. That's one of the things that has me puzzled. Whatever the problem, it's across the board and not isolated to a particular channel. As a result, the power supply and input voltages were the first thing I zeroed in on. Anyone else want to toss me a bone? Again, thanks! Dan From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Nov 20 09:36:19 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Nov 20 09:37:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frustration with Wurlitzer 556 Amp In-Reply-To: <57748065385380546182919181970162383388-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <319032.29184.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bone--only--Mute relay some contacts "stuck/bent" ?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Dan Penoff wrote: From: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Frustration with Wurlitzer 556 Amp To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 9:12 AM Thanks to both Jim and Jeff for their suggestions. I checked all the fuses and they are intact (voltage drop test, not just a visual.) And yes, Jim, I am aware that the power for the amp comes from the outboard power supply.? In fact, I have all of the necessary operating voltages present (+/-35V, +/- 22V, etc.) in the amp while the machine is powered up and a record is playing.? That's one of the things that has me puzzled.? Whatever the problem, it's across the board and not isolated to a particular channel.? As a result, the power supply and input voltages were the first thing I zeroed in on. Anyone else want to toss me a bone? Again, thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dpenoff at mac.com Fri Nov 20 10:19:19 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Fri Nov 20 10:21:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frustration with Wurlitzer 556 Amp In-Reply-To: <319032.29184.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <319032.29184.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <104643352792667338335098552374489027028-Webmail@me.com> Thanks, Rich. Mute relay is working as expected and show no damage. I jumpered around it just to be sure - still no joy. Dan On Friday, November 20, 2009, at 12:36PM, "Ron Rich" wrote: >Bone--only--Mute relay some contacts "stuck/bent" ?? Ron Rich > From jay at west.net Fri Nov 20 10:38:56 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Nov 20 10:40:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frustration with Wurlitzer 556 Amp In-Reply-To: <98293130057372406227306496521570670410-Webmail@me.com> References: <82555625382464891018084106344282839797-Webmail@me.com> <98293130057372406227306496521570670410-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <4B06E240.6000803@west.net> Dan Penoff wrote: > I recapped my 556 amp on Wednesday night and all seemed well. Last night I pulled the power transistors and put some thermal paste on them as prescribed. Put the amp back in the machine, turned it on, and .... nada. Nothing. > > I know that long distance troubleshooting is is difficult at best, but here is what I have at this point: > > 1.) The usual "thump" on power up of the jukebox. > > 2.) Mute relay working as expected. > > 3.) Voltages at factory test points as prescribed by the service manual. > > 4.) Shorting of driver transistors will yield the expected "pop" at the speakers for the appropriate channel. > > 5.) Power transistors are cold to the touch. > > 6.) Altering the input signal does nothing (e.g., touching the RCA jacks with a finger to induce some hum) > > 7.) Power transistor sockets are tight on the pins, mica washers are installed and intact. > > I'm open to suggestions here. I've apparently altered something when I had it out and don't know what I did. I'm bumming out right now, as this was working fine the other night when I finished recapping it.... Your best bet is an old-school piece of test equipment called a "signal tracer". This is essentially an audio amplifier and speaker with a high-impedance capacitively coupled input and variable gain. You can use a conventional amplifier for this by building a probe with a series capacitor of 0.01 microfarad or thereabouts rated at 600 volts (for safety if used with tube amplifiers). Touch the probe to the input with signal present, if the tracer is working you should hear it through the tracer speaker. Move the probe stage-by-stage through the amplifier until it stops, that is the bad stage. However, in your particular case you have a stereo amplifier that has stopped working on both channels right after you worked on it. This points to either a common power supply problem or something not plugged in where it should be. As you hear the power-on thump and things seem to be working generally (no smoke, loud noises, etc.) I'd look for something common to both channels in the early stages. It may sound silly, but have you verified that the input is plugged in to the correct place and not to some other pair of RCAs intended for aux out, etc.? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinball at telus.net Fri Nov 20 11:29:57 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Nov 20 11:31:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frustration with Wurlitzer 556 Amp In-Reply-To: <4B06E240.6000803@west.net> References: <82555625382464891018084106344282839797-Webmail@me.com> <98293130057372406227306496521570670410-Webmail@me.com> <4B06E240.6000803@west.net> Message-ID: <4B06EE35.4010103@telus.net> Jay Hennigan wrote: > Dan Penoff wrote: >> I recapped my 556 amp on Wednesday night and all seemed well. Last >> night I pulled the power transistors and put some thermal paste on >> them as prescribed. Put the amp back in the machine, turned it on, >> and .... nada. Nothing. >> >> I know that long distance troubleshooting is is difficult at best, >> but here is what I have at this point: >> >> 1.) The usual "thump" on power up of the jukebox. >> >> 2.) Mute relay working as expected. >> >> 3.) Voltages at factory test points as prescribed by the service manual. >> >> 4.) Shorting of driver transistors will yield the expected "pop" at >> the speakers for the appropriate channel. >> >> 5.) Power transistors are cold to the touch. >> >> 6.) Altering the input signal does nothing (e.g., touching the RCA >> jacks with a finger to induce some hum) >> >> 7.) Power transistor sockets are tight on the pins, mica washers are >> installed and intact. >> >> I'm open to suggestions here. I've apparently altered something when >> I had it out and don't know what I did. I'm bumming out right now, >> as this was working fine the other night when I finished recapping >> it.... > > Your best bet is an old-school piece of test equipment called a > "signal tracer". This is essentially an audio amplifier and speaker > with a high-impedance capacitively coupled input and variable gain. > You can use a conventional amplifier for this by building a probe with > a series capacitor of 0.01 microfarad or thereabouts rated at 600 > volts (for safety if used with tube amplifiers). > > Touch the probe to the input with signal present, if the tracer is > working you should hear it through the tracer speaker. Move the probe > stage-by-stage through the amplifier until it stops, that is the bad > stage. > > However, in your particular case you have a stereo amplifier that has > stopped working on both channels right after you worked on it. This > points to either a common power supply problem or something not > plugged in where it should be. > > As you hear the power-on thump and things seem to be working generally > (no smoke, loud noises, etc.) I'd look for something common to both > channels in the early stages. > > It may sound silly, but have you verified that the input is plugged in > to the correct place and not to some other pair of RCAs intended for > aux out, etc.? > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > You can make an audio signal tracer from an old working portable transistor radio! Find the volume control, disconnect the high side from the radio and add your 0.01 capacitor as above to the high side of the volume control. The ground is the other side of the volume control...now you can adjust the volume of the input signal and make a simple shielded probe to poke around inside your amp. This will have enough gain for all but the magnetic cartridge amps - you will need some sort of pre-amp for the first stages then. Another quick test to see if the amp is working is to poke the volume control tabs with your finger to hear hum out the speaker (record 'playing'). No hum? Check speaker connections... As Jay says, make sure the volume control jumper is in position under the metal cover... You did clip all the capacitor leads? None left to short out signals... Sometimes having someone else look at the amp while you describe what you did can help spot something you missed. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 20 13:18:07 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 20 13:21:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frustration with Wurlitzer 556 Amp Message-ID: <20091120.161807.4721.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Dan: Based upon your description, I'm suggesting to check for a power problem because of the following thought process A. the 556 is a 2 channel amp with identical separate electronics in both signal chains. Since both stopped working at the same time, it's likely there is only one problem that caused both channels to not pass audio. B. The power supply and it's associated filtering electronics are the only devices (other than the muting circuit) where a single connection or component failure would cause a whole amplifier failure. This is why I suggested voltage readings. C. Any chance of broken/shaky connections at the PC boards? How's your input source? Input to the amp is the direct output of the ceramic element phono cartridge. To test ,you can plug the phono output in to an aux. level input on another amp, etc and operate the record changer to see if the signal's there. The aux input isn't a perfect impedance match to the phono cartridge so the sound quality through the alternate amp may sound a little thin, but the signal should sound clean. C. Someone else on this list suggested a signal tracer, while you have an audio signal source plugged in at the audio input jacks. If you'd rather start at the output stage working back toward the inputs, a signal injector can be used if that's more convenient for you. Keep the probe of your tester isolated with a coupling capacitor (I suggest .05 mfd @ 400V or better)and listen for signal at your speakers. Your W556 is a direct coupled amp--a DC offset problem in one of the early amp stages can cause problems at the outputs. Hope this helps-- let us know what you find. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Medical Billing Online Jump start your career with a Medical Billing & Coding Degree Online. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=FAdJ-ZMEyQg4aAuo_VFxOwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAOf7aT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSJGQAAAAA= From dpenoff at mac.com Fri Nov 20 13:54:50 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Fri Nov 20 13:56:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frustration with Wurlitzer 556 Amp In-Reply-To: <20091120.161807.4721.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091120.161807.4721.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <124560789334184677755304113081022412832-Webmail@me.com> Jim, I would agree that it is most likely a power supply issue, since the problem is across the board and not unique to one channel. That's the most logical explanation. I'll tear into it this weekend when I have some time and go into the power supply in more detail that I was able to last night. More as I know it, and thanks to all for the assistance! Dan On Friday, November 20, 2009, at 04:18PM, "James Alexander" wrote: > >Dan: > >Based upon your description, I'm suggesting to check for a power problem because of the following thought process > >A. the 556 is a 2 channel amp with identical separate electronics in both signal chains. Since both stopped working at the same time, it's likely there is only one problem that caused both channels to not pass audio. > >B. The power supply and it's associated filtering electronics are the only devices (other than the muting circuit) where a single connection or component failure would cause a whole amplifier failure. This is why I suggested voltage readings. > >C. Any chance of broken/shaky connections at the PC boards? How's your input source? Input to the amp is the direct output of the ceramic element phono cartridge. To test ,you can plug the phono output in to an aux. level input on another amp, etc and operate the record changer to see if the signal's there. The aux input isn't a perfect impedance match to the phono cartridge so the sound quality through the alternate amp may sound a little thin, but the signal should sound clean. > >C. Someone else on this list suggested a signal tracer, while you have an audio signal source plugged in at the audio input jacks. If you'd rather start at the output stage working back toward the inputs, a signal injector can be used if that's more convenient for you. Keep the probe of your tester isolated with a coupling capacitor (I suggest .05 mfd @ 400V or better)and listen for signal at your speakers. > Your W556 is a direct coupled amp--a DC offset problem in one of the early amp stages can cause problems at the outputs. > >Hope this helps-- let us know what you find. > >JIm Alexander > From dpenoff at mac.com Fri Nov 20 17:17:33 2009 From: dpenoff at mac.com (Dan Penoff) Date: Fri Nov 20 17:19:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F-120 Message-ID: <20F16B4F-1615-4939-A455-809451463598@mac.com> I am just getting around to taking a look at someone's F-120. I believe I may have asked about this machine a while back, but now I have some detailed comments from the owner that might be of use to those familiar with this model to identify the areas we need to look at: "It will NOT let you make selection's at the Button's, I have to lift the selection arm's that are laid out under the Turntable, as the turntable travle's back and forth to pick the selection's it locates the arm that is raised, then it will pick it up turn it around to where it lay's flat ,places it on the table and the tone arm come's over and begins to play! I had sound at one time by messing with that volume control switch, But it has never let me use the selection button's." Hmm. Suggestions as to where I might start on this? He's got a manual, so I'll have that to work from... Thanks, Dan From joe400f at shaw.ca Fri Nov 20 17:45:15 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Fri Nov 20 17:46:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F-120 References: <20F16B4F-1615-4939-A455-809451463598@mac.com> Message-ID: <001301ca6a4c$45ca8740$48944e18@compaq> Dan, does it have credits? Does it work on coin? Does the credit lite illuminate? Maybe someone tried a freeplay modification at some time. Have a look at the coin switches at the coin mech. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Penoff" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F-120 >I am just getting around to taking a look at someone's F-120. I believe I >may have asked about this machine a while back, but now I have some >detailed comments from the owner that might be of use to those familiar >with this model to identify the areas we need to look at: > > "It will NOT let you make selection's at the Button's, I have to lift the > selection arm's that are laid out under the Turntable, as the turntable > travle's back and forth to pick the selection's it locates the arm that is > raised, then it will pick it up turn it around to where it lay's flat > ,places it on the table and the tone arm come's over and begins to play! I > had sound at one time by messing with that volume control switch, But it > has never let me use the selection button's." > > Hmm. Suggestions as to where I might start on this? He's got a manual, > so I'll have that to work from... > > Thanks, > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 20 17:48:15 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Fri Nov 20 17:49:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] FS:Rowe/AMI R-91 in Rome,NY Message-ID: <144563.17752.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hello....the person who has this juke really wants to sell it,and thought I was going to buy it;but I couldn't bear to tell him I have no more room in my game room.He still thinks I'm coming to pick it up....anyways...it's a R-91 (just a reg. -91...NOT the 45/cd combo)...has most of the records inside...looks to be in good shape...needs a real good exterior cleaning..it does work OK however the keyboard doesn't function (parts to fix this are included).He originally told me he wants me to give him $100 for it;however when I told him I have the cylinder head for a saturn he is fixing in the garage,he said 'give me $50 & the head & the juke is yours'...Sooooo.....if anyone wants this juke the price is still $100;I would just give him $50 and the head & keep the other $50.I just want to keep him happy(he really needs the cyl. head)?& I hope no one out there would object to this little "twist" if you call it that.No pics at this time.Please LMK if you have any questions.Thanks for looking! Ken From tdkuhns at dejazzd.com Fri Nov 20 17:51:03 2009 From: tdkuhns at dejazzd.com (Terry Kuhns) Date: Fri Nov 20 17:53:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rockola 477 Max gripper arm References: <20091117200005.4E3D7AB038@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: I reset the arm as Doc suggested and I also lubed the mechanism as Ron suggested and it works like it should. Thanks go out to you guys! Thanks again, Terry >> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:26:26 -0500 >> From: rellis2007@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 Max gripper arm >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Message-ID: <8CC34D78826A17E-B58-2109@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> Terry >> >> Bring the carousel but putting the service switch in the service poition >> "note" be sure to put it back to operate when Your done" to it's resting >> place at the top, the bow should be about in the middle of the rest area. >> turn the bottom knurled shaft of the gripper motor counter clockwise >> until >> it stops turning. at this point it should be in time, and solve the >> problem. >> >> hope this helps >> >> doc ellis >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Terry Kuhns >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 8:41 am >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 477 Max gripper arm >> >> >> >> I have a Rockola 447 Max juke a friend wanted repaired. The machine is >> having a >> roblem with the gripper arm and would like some insight into what I need >> to do >> r what areas to look at to address the problem. When a selection is made, >> the >> agazine turns and the gripper arm picks up the record and places it on >> the >> urntable. There is no issue with picking it out of the magazine. After >> the >> song >> as played, 9 times out of 10 it will not grab the record and place it >> back >> in >> he magazine. It seems to me like the gripper arm starts raising before >> the >> it >> ompletely grabs the record. Is there a way to adjust this timing or an >> djustment that needs attention I should be looking at? I have the manuals >> but >> 'm relatively new to jukebox workings. Any help would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thank you, >> Terry Kuhns >> ______________________________________________ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Nov 20 17:54:19 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Nov 20 17:55:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: USC-2 plays selection, then plays selection with 3rd digit #9 Message-ID: Believe it or not, try taking the keyboard apart and cleaning the circuit board. They attract conductive element from the air and the button signals can then jump traces and energize additional selections. Simple, but happens with this era of Seeburg all the time. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Nov 20 17:48:58 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Nov 20 17:56:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY up and running. Message-ID: Hi guys. Been a while. I've been a busy little beaver keeping head above water and trying to relax a little in between, but finally managed to spend an hour or so on my Seeburg AY that was left to me by my deceased friend. I bought a solid state-rebuilt control unit for it form a member here (Sorry, man, can't remember who!) a year or two ago. Anyway, I gave it a lube job, put the control center in, soldered a couple boogered up pins on one of the plugs, and fired it up. Works great. Probably going to invest in a new upper glass for it. Other than that, it's in good condition. Click here for photo. Click here for video. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco Photobucket
Photobucket _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Nov 20 18:00:01 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Nov 20 18:01:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg lpc1/lpc480 speed control Message-ID: You get them from a 45 rpm jukebox. The LPC (LP console) was a dedicated 33 machine and it's sort of a shame to remove what gave it it's designation. Rebuild the speed unit. It's got about 5 things to change. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Nov 20 18:07:54 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Nov 20 18:09:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F-120 Message-ID: Yes, these AMIs are among the simplest of jukeboxes. No central brain to convert 2 or 3 button pushes to one selection. ALL jukeboxes follow this logic process: Credit Select and write selection into memory (trip a pin in this case), subtract credit. Start mechanism, read out memory (find pin) and play record, cancel memory/selection pin. Reject and return record. That's it. You need to eliminate the trouble along the way. Joey says start with credit. Good idea. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Nov 20 18:09:08 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Nov 20 18:10:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg AY up and running. Message-ID: Sorry about all the code in the initial post. I forgot how frustratingly archaic this system is for posting links and photos. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Nov 20 19:24:13 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Nov 20 19:25:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY up and running. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091121032348.M17155@dwave.net> Looks great Kyle! Thanks for posting the photos Jeremy Agema On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:48:58 -0800, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote > Hi guys. > Been a while. ? I've been a busy little beaver keeping head above water and trying to relax a little in between, but finally managed to ?spend an hour or so on my Seeburg AY that was left to me by my deceased friend. ?I bought a solid state-rebuilt control unit for it form a member here (Sorry, man, can't remember who!) a year or two ago. > > Anyway, I gave it a lube job, put the control center in, soldered a couple boogered up pins on one of the plugs, and fired it up. ?Works great. ? Probably going to invest in a new upper glass for it. Other than that, it's in good condition. > > Click here for photo. > Click here for video. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > Photobucket
> Photobucket > ???? ???? ???? ? ???? ???? ? > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. > http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Nov 21 07:39:06 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Nov 21 07:42:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola Gripper motor gears Message-ID: <20091121.103906.18082.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Hello Pat: Just doublechecking---would you like me to take & send you a few pix of this RO motor, or have you decided to do something else? A few quick bullet points: This is an early 60's record basket motor, P/N 33695 that has some parts missing (brushes and associated parts) but the gearhead & white plastic gear you're looking for are in nice condition with little visible wear. Motor armature is nice and shows continuity. RO had several motor mfrs build motors to their specs during the 50's thru 70's 45 RPM era. People rebuilding old jukes frequently transplant entire old motors from one juke to another by changing different connector types etc. I've heard that basket motors can be adapted into gripper motors by changing the gearhead assy. (personally, I've never done it) When you begin swapping internal parts of the motors, this is where you can be tripped up because of the 2 to 3 different manufacturers--not all the internals are interchangeable. Asking a purchase price of $10, + $3 to cover the worst-case purchase cost of a shipping carton + the ground freight shipping cost to you. Package originates from Ga. zipcode 30238. Freight via either UPS or USPS is (my guess) expected to be in the $6 to 8 cost range. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Healthcare Administration Earn your AA or BA in Healthcare Administration, 100% online. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=I12hDOAmnaRGzLWdClJv9AAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAGPnvj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANiiQAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Nov 21 07:57:41 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Nov 21 08:01:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning Early Seeburg Amps Message-ID: <20091121.105741.18082.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> RE: cleaning chemicals revisited In this discussion string, several good alternatives for cleaning steel chassis without removing markings have been recommended, but here's a small twist on the topic. Brasso and Noxon (products of the same mfr) are frequently mentioned here. I've used Brasso successfully on a frequent basis for moderately-dirty chassis. The Noxon product apparently has light distribution in Ga. as I haven't seen it here at the big-box stores. Walmart here has carried Brasso for a long time, but has recently stopped putting it on the shelves. In it's place they're stocking a compettitive cleaner from a company called Weiman's---has anyone here had good or bad experiences with this brass/silver cleaner? JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Liberty University Online Earn a bachelors degree online in Nursing. Get free info now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=FwR9RhkxR1VmPWelzjQrrQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAH_46D4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSGmAAAAAA= From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 21 09:08:23 2009 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Bud Wintermantel) Date: Sat Nov 21 09:10:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning Early Seeburg Amps In-Reply-To: <20091121.105741.18082.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <698709.79073.qm@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim, I am not familiar with that product, but I have attached a link to purchase Noxon7. http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1418968 Hope this helps Bud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise --- On Sat, 11/21/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning Early Seeburg Amps To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 7:57 AM RE:? cleaning chemicals revisited In this discussion string, several good alternatives for cleaning steel chassis without removing markings have been recommended, but here's a small twist on the topic.? Brasso and Noxon (products of the same mfr) are frequently mentioned here.? I've used Brasso successfully on a frequent basis for moderately-dirty chassis.? The Noxon product apparently has light distribution in Ga. as I haven't seen it here at the big-box stores. Walmart here has carried Brasso for a long time, but has recently stopped putting it on the shelves.? ? In it's place they're stocking a compettitive cleaner from a company called Weiman's---has anyone here had good or bad experiences with this brass/silver cleaner? JIm Alexander? ____________________________________________________________ Liberty University Online Earn a bachelors degree online in Nursing. Get free info now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=FwR9RhkxR1VmPWelzjQrrQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAH_46D4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSGmAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pat2355 at aol.com Sat Nov 21 12:01:43 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sat Nov 21 12:03:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola Gripper motor gears In-Reply-To: <20091121.103906.18082.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091121.103906.18082.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC38FC942C90AB-1958-1E62@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Hello Jim, If you're willing to take a pic, then would you go one further and take the gear out of the motor and take a pic with a coin next to it ? The part number on mine is different (50298A) but if the gear is the same. The gears in newer jukes have a rolled edge to the gear. Mine is a flat sided gear with a diagonal gear tooth. If the gear is the same I'd happily pay your price. Pat -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 7:39 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola Gripper motor gears Hello Pat: Just doublechecking---would you like me to take & send you a few pix of this RO motor, or have you decided to do something else? A few quick bullet points: This is an early 60's record basket motor, P/N 33695 that has some parts missing (brushes and associated parts) but the gearhead & white plastic gear you're looking for are in nice condition with little visible wear. Motor armature is nice and shows continuity. RO had several motor mfrs build motors to their specs during the 50's thru 70's 45 RPM era. People rebuilding old jukes frequently transplant entire old motors from one juke to another by changing different connector types etc. I've heard that basket motors can be adapted into gripper motors by changing the gearhead assy. (personally, I've never done it) When you begin swapping internal parts of the motors, this is where you can be tripped up because of the 2 to 3 different manufacturers--not all the internals are interchangeable. Asking a purchase price of $10, + $3 to cover the worst-case purchase cost of a shipping carton + the ground freight shipping cost to you. Package originates from Ga. zipcode 30238. Freight via either UPS or USPS is (my guess) expected to be in the $6 to 8 cost range. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Healthcare Administration Earn your AA or BA in Healthcare Administration, 100% online. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=I12hDOAmnaRGzLWdClJv9AAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAGPnvj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANiiQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com Sat Nov 21 12:44:15 2009 From: henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Henrik_Niinim=E4ki?=) Date: Sat Nov 21 12:46:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300, selection system shaking after selection In-Reply-To: <698709.79073.qm@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <698709.79073.qm@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B08511F.3050904@luukku.com> Hello, I have Wurlitzer 2300 and I am repairing it. There is a problem with selection system. First problem is that solenoid which is locking the buttons is pulling hardly enough. I have to help with my finger to close (is solenoid broken, worn or is there some other power problem etc), should I change the hole solenoid etc?? The other problem is that after choosing the letter and the number the selection system starts to shake there and it is not selecting any songs. If I select the song by hand then the machine starts to play well, but still the selection systems is shaking and buttons are not released. If I release buttons by hand (releasing the solenoid) then shaking stops, but sometimes the selection wheel motor is shkain by itself without pressing any button. So the problem exists no in the selection system. What should I do?? Somebody told that this a very common problem and the reason is some capacitor????? Br Henrik From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Nov 21 13:24:41 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Nov 21 13:26:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300, selection system shaking after selection In-Reply-To: <4B08511F.3050904@luukku.com> Message-ID: <576019.69729.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Henrik, Do you have a copy of the 2300 Service Manual--if so, let us know, as it would? be much easier to use it as a reference. Your first problem is usually because of a "dirty" or mis-adjusted switch on the keyboard. It would be the one that is normally closed with power off to the solenoid. The second problem, I don't quite understand-- Is the pin being released or not ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 11/21/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: From: Henrik Niinim?ki Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300, selection system shaking after selection To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 12:44 PM Hello, I have Wurlitzer 2300 and I am repairing it. There is a problem with selection system. First problem is that solenoid which is locking the buttons is pulling hardly enough. I have to help with my finger to close (is solenoid broken, worn or is there some other power problem etc), should I change the hole solenoid etc?? The other problem is that after choosing the letter and the number the selection system starts to shake there and it is not selecting any songs. If I select the song by hand then the machine starts to play well, but still the selection systems is shaking and buttons are not released. If I release buttons by hand (releasing the solenoid) then shaking stops, but sometimes the selection wheel motor is shkain by itself without pressing any button. So the problem exists no in the selection system. What should I do?? Somebody told that this a very common problem and the reason is some capacitor????? Br Henrik _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com Sat Nov 21 13:43:35 2009 From: henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Henrik_Niinim=E4ki?=) Date: Sat Nov 21 13:45:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300, selection system shaking after selection In-Reply-To: <576019.69729.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <576019.69729.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B085F07.8040502@luukku.com> Hello, Actually I have two pieces of 2300 and the other one is selecting fine so I know how it should work. 1) The solenoid problem: when I put coin in the solenoid tries to close but it doesn?t have enough power to close so the none of buttons are locked after pressing button. I took the solenoid spring away and then it had enough power to close solenoid but after selection it is not resetting switches without spring. So the solenoid doesn?t have enough power to close when the spring is assembled. 2) The selection problem. When I am pressing the letter and the number selections wheel just shakes and I think it doesn?t even find the right place and no, the pin is not releasing at all. Sometimes selections wheel is moving for a while and then it starts to shake again. Then it moves, shakes, moves shakes, no pin releasing, no button releasing... I think I have to order manual from the Stamann... I should have at least one manual because I have 5 Wulitzers :() The good thing is that I am probably quite good mechanican but Wurlitzer is not that common for me yet (I have more Rock-Olas and Ami?s and NSM?s before these Wurlies) BR Henrik Ron Rich kirjoitti: > Hi Henrik, > Do you have a copy of the 2300 Service Manual--if so, let us know, as it would be much easier to use it as a reference. > Your first problem is usually because of a "dirty" or mis-adjusted switch on the keyboard. It would be the one that is normally closed with power off to the solenoid. > The second problem, I don't quite understand-- Is the pin being released or not ? > Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 11/21/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: > > From: Henrik Niinim?ki > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300, selection system shaking after selection > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 12:44 PM > > Hello, > > I have Wurlitzer 2300 and I am repairing it. There is a problem with selection system. First problem is that solenoid which is locking the buttons is pulling hardly enough. I have to help with my finger to close (is solenoid broken, worn or is there some other power problem etc), should I change the hole solenoid etc?? > > The other problem is that after choosing the letter and the number the selection system starts to shake there and it is not selecting any songs. If I select the song by hand then the machine starts to play well, but still the selection systems is shaking and buttons are not released. If I release buttons by hand (releasing the solenoid) then shaking stops, but sometimes the selection wheel motor is shkain by itself without pressing any button. So the problem exists no in the selection system. What should I do?? Somebody told that this a very common problem and the reason is some capacitor????? > > Br Henrik > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Nov 21 14:45:58 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Nov 21 14:47:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F-120 In-Reply-To: <20F16B4F-1615-4939-A455-809451463598@mac.com> Message-ID: <516940.78794.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Dan Penoff wrote: > Hmm. Suggestions as to where I might start on > this? I'd start from the beginning. If he put's coin's in it, doe's it register credit's? :-) From jay at west.net Sat Nov 21 15:03:54 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Nov 21 15:05:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300, selection system shaking after selection In-Reply-To: <4B085F07.8040502@luukku.com> References: <576019.69729.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B085F07.8040502@luukku.com> Message-ID: <4B0871DA.9090304@west.net> Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: > Hello, > > Actually I have two pieces of 2300 and the other one is selecting fine > so I know how it should work. > > 1) The solenoid problem: when I put coin in the solenoid tries to close > but it doesn?t have enough power to close so the none of buttons are > locked after pressing button. I took the solenoid spring away and then > it had enough power to close solenoid but after selection it is not > resetting switches without spring. So the solenoid doesn?t have enough > power to close when the spring is assembled. > > 2) The selection problem. When I am pressing the letter and the number > selections wheel just shakes and I think it doesn?t even find the right > place and no, the pin is not releasing at all. Sometimes selections > wheel is moving for a while and then it starts to shake again. Then it > moves, shakes, moves shakes, no pin releasing, no button releasing... Has the selenium DC rectifier on the amplifier chassis been replaced? Measure the DC control voltage, does it drop under load? Trouble could be a weak rectifier. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 21 18:55:39 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Sat Nov 21 18:57:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox spotted in new Star Trek movie Message-ID: <805733.65216.qm@web63208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I just got done watching the new star trek movie;and it is AWESOME! I loved it! In particular I did notice in the bar scene on earth in Iowa there was quite the unusual looking jukebox in the background,just as the brawl got underway.Could someone here identify the particular juke in question? I thought it looked very futuristic;which of course suits the movie....lol..... Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball Nat'l Vendors CC Deluxe candy ?vending machine From aaron at vertasource.com Sat Nov 21 19:34:43 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Sat Nov 21 20:08:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox spotted in new Star Trek movie In-Reply-To: <805733.65216.qm@web63208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <805733.65216.qm@web63208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It was a Continental, wasn't it? Aaron On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Ken wrote: > I just got done watching the new star trek movie;and it is AWESOME! I loved > it! In particular I did notice in the bar scene on earth in Iowa there was > quite the unusual looking jukebox in the background,just as the brawl got > underway.Could someone here identify the particular juke in question? I > thought it looked very futuristic;which of course suits the > movie....lol..... > Ken > '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 > '70 GTB Baseball > Nat'l Vendors CC Deluxe candy vending machine > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 21 21:17:05 2009 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Sat Nov 21 21:18:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 201 sound Message-ID: Hi all, how is the sound quality of the 201? Is this a reliable machine? Any opinions (good or bad) will be great. Thank you, Rick. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Nov 21 22:54:28 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Nov 21 22:57:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 201 sound Message-ID: <20091122.015428.19329.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> The 1958 Seeburg 201 is a 200-play 45 RPM jukebox using a tormat-based selection system. The electtronics are vacuum tube based, having a 25 watt mono amplifier. When working correctly, sound quality is very good, even judged by today's standards. If you intend to play later-edition stereo records on your 201, it is important that you change the original mono cartridge to one of the stereo compatible models to maintain the sound quality. The Pickering issued # 345-03D, made in the late 80's is considered the best of the aftermarket cartridges. Vern Tisdale is distributing a technically similar model. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Doctorate Degrees Online Boost your career with an online doctoral degree. Enroll today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=EBlib1EiW5PA8yOPmiIOMwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAALsMoz4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAyOQAAAAA= From mmtobyrne at eircom.net Thu Nov 19 02:07:03 2009 From: mmtobyrne at eircom.net (Maurice O'Byrne) Date: Sun Nov 22 09:32:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie: Wurlitzer 1015 restoration Message-ID: <597816738332485AB3BE988B1FC1A93C@MauricePC> Hi all . I just picked up an old "one more time vinyl Wurlitzer" . Where can I buy a full set of new plastics(in Europe if possible). Mossie From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 22 11:03:31 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 22 11:06:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie: Wurlitzer 1015 restoration Message-ID: <20091122.140331.3140.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Mossie: Congratulations on your find. Deutsche-Wurlitzer OMT jukes are manufactured in Hullhorst Germany, and a worldwide network of distributors for the products are in place. Distributors are supposed to maintain a certain level of replacement parts in stock. Most if not all replacement parts are readily available for OMT jukes. There have been some technology upgrades for the computer systems, where older protocols are now obsolete and have to be updated. You can visit their website at www.wurlitzer-jukebox. com. You should be able to access their distributor directory there. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Online Doctorate Degrees Find leading online Phd programs. Study anywhere anytime. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=kgdJa1i10NHwvYh7iUCBCgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAKVYzj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaUcwAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Nov 22 11:13:07 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Nov 22 11:14:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie: Wurlitzer 1015 restoration In-Reply-To: <597816738332485AB3BE988B1FC1A93C@MauricePC> Message-ID: <416225.77160.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Try Stamann Musikboxen? in Germany--? stamann@jukebox-world.de?? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Maurice O'Byrne wrote: From: Maurice O'Byrne Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie: Wurlitzer 1015 restoration To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 2:07 AM Hi all . I? just picked up an old "one more time vinyl Wurlitzer" . Where can I buy a full set of new plastics(in Europe if possible). Mossie _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com Sun Nov 22 13:19:45 2009 From: henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Henrik_Niinim=E4ki?=) Date: Sun Nov 22 13:21:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem In-Reply-To: <242552.72591.qm@web86708.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <634709.50981.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B052FD6.80108@luukku.com> <242552.72591.qm@web86708.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B09AAF1.5000006@luukku.com> Hello Norman, Yes that is exact the same model. Probably I should :) But actually now the machine is working perfect! NORMAN MACRAE kirjoitti: > Henrik, > Is it one of these http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Wurlitzer/Wurlitzer2400.htm scroll down. > > I can't say I've ever seen anything like that, it looks like the German Lyric mechanism in a 2400 cabinet (but it's not the Lyric amplifier assy). Maybe Oliver and Hildegard at Jukebox World in Germany might be able to advise whether you should purchase the Lyric service manual for yours? > > Norman. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Henrik Niinim?ki > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Thursday, 19 November, 2009 11:45:26 > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem > > hello! > > I am in Finland, helsinki, europe. > > From where I can find one, 2415 is a special model. > > > > Ron Rich kirjoitti: > >> You will need to purchase a Service Manual for the wiring diagram--Where are you located ? >> Ron Rich >> >> --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: >> >> From: Henrik Niinim?ki >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 11:33 PM >> >> >> Coin switches are ok. When I am clicking coin switch only one relay in the credit box is moving but the coils are not moving. Fuses are also ok. There is one automatic fuse in the credit unit box but it is ok too. In this 2415 power unit is mixed together with amplifier so the fuse is probably there... >> >> If I am moving credit units by hand it is not giving any plays so that is why I am thinking that some voltage is missing. Also if I make a selection by hand the juke starts to play the record and works fine. So probably there is some voltage missing from the credit unit and write in coils?? Does any body know can I measure voltages some where from the credit unit ot write -in coil and what voltages there should be and is there any wiring diagramn anywhere? >> >> >> >>> Look at the coin switches first--see if a "coin" or some other object is holding one or more of them closed. After finding that--if the phono is equipped wit a "Playrac", look for a fuse on it--if not, look for a fuse on the "junction box" --it should be an 8/10 slow blowing type. Ron Rich >>> >>> --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: >>> >>> From: Henrik Niinim?ki >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2415 credit problem >>> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:39 PM >>> >>> I am fixing Wurlitzer 2415 jukebox and it worked quite ok, but now it is not tkaing any credits in anymore and it is not giving Plays anymore from the A or B button (there is only 2 buttons and the Wheel for the selctions). What voltage the selection coils and credit systems are using and is there a fuse (Probably voltage is missing or fuse problem) but I don?t have any wiring diagram for that. Is there any wiring diagram or help for these? >>> >>> Br Henrik >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Nov 22 13:51:39 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Nov 22 13:53:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox spotted in new Star Trek movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <449764.72789.qm@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 11/21/09, Aaron H wrote: > It was a Continental, wasn't it? It's been months since I've seen this movie, but that was my recollection as well. From mikeberger at msn.com Mon Nov 23 07:36:58 2009 From: mikeberger at msn.com (Michael Berger) Date: Mon Nov 23 07:44:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? Message-ID: My RO was having trouble consistently selecting. After much reading and research, I realize that the only way to fix this problem is to refurb the unit itself. But before doing that, I thought I would try the contact cleaner approach. I got a can of NuTrol contact cleaner and sprayed it onto the pins. I worked them back and forth, up and down for at least 20 times each pin. I let the unit dry overnight. The next day I fired the box up and quess what? No change...crap!! What I did notice though is that in order for any selection to register, there is a microswitch that must be closed. (The one on the door that powers the title strip motor). With the door open, I closed this switch with my finger, and the selector worked better, but not perfect. I applied more pressure to switch, and the selector then worked perfectly. Coincidence? Closing the front and latching it, the switch engaged (the metal switch blade presses against an L bracket), but now the selector did not work 100%. I then put a thin piece of cardboard between the metal switch blade and the switch button to increase the leverage on the button. Closed the door, and the selector works 100%. I will be ordering a new YZ-2RL microswitch from VG. Question: Could the fix be this simple, or could it be the selector unit as well, and this is just a coincidence? Mike From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 23 09:02:14 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 23 09:05:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? Message-ID: <20091123.120214.14402.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com> Hello Michael: RO jukes of this vintage have multiple switches series-wired in line with various circuits. Marginally-failing microswitch contacts along with tarnished or dirty switch contacts in the pinbanks can cause partial connections to be made. If you were to measure the circuit loop there could be a "high ohms" value of resistance present. This will stop the pins from being activated. You obviously found and corrected a fault in discovering the marginally operating microswitch on the front door of your juke. This switch,most likely, switches number-group circuits when the titlestrip holder is turned. (i.e. selection numbers 1 thru 40, 40 thru 80, etc) You might be lucky and find that you do not need to disassemble and clean the pinbank contacts. Some RO jukes contain a set of group contacts located in the pinbank (sometimes called clapper coils). These contacts, along with individual solenoid contacts, if not making properly,will cause ersatz selection problems. Generally, spraying contact cleaner into the pinbank openings doesn't do much to help, but it won't hurt either. I'm not familiar with the brand of contact cleaner you used. Repair techs generally regard Caig Labs "De-Oxit" as the best-in-class contact cleaner for this application, as DeOxit doesn't contain a lubricant in it's chemical base. Lubricants in contact cleaners tend to become tacky and will attract more dust-debris to controls and switch contacts in the long run. The off-brand cleaner will solve the dirty connection problem for now, but you'll find that progressively more frequent cleaning becomes necessary. Hope this helps address your question Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Liberty University Online Earn your bachelors degree in Criminal Justice online. Get free info! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=baunXhTMcZGbr4MREKLdYQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAI2Xjj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSGmQAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 09:34:49 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 23 09:36:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <703046.30362.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Michael, First, let me say that I agree with what Jim wrote--- A couple of hints-- A "Micro Switch" (and actually any brand switch) can be checked in the following manor: Using an Analog meter, of good quality, set it on "R-1", and of course, the switch must be? dis-connected. "Zero" the meter, then connect leads to the C and NC terminals of the switch. Meter should show less then one ohm. Slowly press the actuator. The meter will NOT change, nor "jump" at ALL if the switch is good before you hear/feel the "click"--at which point the meter must show an "open".? If that side is good, move the lead to the NO contact, press the actuator down, and slowly allow it to spring back up. Same story here--no "jerks" till click--- An "auto-ranging" meter of any type will not work for this test--a non auto-ranging "digital" meter MIGHT work--sometimes-- Also---most Micro Switches can be adjusted, somehow, to change the "click point". Some times this is done by loosing the mounting screws, other times the mounting bracket must be "re-formed" (OK--bent), and other times an adjustment (re-form, again) can be done on the actuator. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Michael Berger wrote: From: Michael Berger Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 7:36 AM My RO was having trouble consistently selecting.? After much reading and research, I realize that the only way to fix this problem is to refurb the unit itself. But before doing that, I thought I would try the contact cleaner approach.? I got a can of NuTrol contact cleaner and sprayed it onto the pins.? I worked them back and forth, up and down for at least 20 times each pin.? I let the unit dry overnight. The next day I fired the box up and quess what????No change...crap!! What I did notice though is that in order for any selection to register, there is a microswitch that must be closed. (The one on the door that powers the title strip motor).? With the door open, I closed this switch with my finger, and the selector worked better, but not perfect.? I applied more pressure to switch, and the selector then worked perfectly. Coincidence? Closing the front and latching it, the switch engaged (the metal switch blade presses against an L bracket), but now the selector did not work 100%.? I then put a thin piece of cardboard between the metal switch blade and the switch button to increase the leverage on the button.? Closed the door, and the selector works 100%. I will be ordering a new YZ-2RL microswitch from VG. Question: Could the fix be this simple, or could it be the selector unit as well, and this is just a coincidence? Mike ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 23 12:12:47 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Nov 23 12:14:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F-120 Message-ID: Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F-120 To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <20F16B4F-1615-4939-A455-809451463598@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am just getting around to taking a look at someone's F-120. I believe I may have asked about this machine a while back, but now I have some detailed comments from the owner that might be of use to those familiar with this model to identify the areas we need to look at: "It will NOT let you make selection's at the Button's, I have to lift the selection arm's that are laid out under the Turntable, as the turntable travle's back and forth to pick the selection's it locates the arm that is raised, then it will pick it up turn it around to where it lay's flat ,places it on the table and the tone arm come's over and begins to play! I had sound at one time by messing with that volume control switch, But it has never let me use the selection button's." Hmm. Suggestions as to where I might start on this? He's got a manual, so I'll have that to work from... Thanks, Dan Dan I would start with the credit unit, or actually check fuses first, then credit unit. By the way, how is the lamp cord? Most all of those 50's AMI's have deteriorated wiring if it's still the original. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 From pinplayers at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 14:47:38 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Mon Nov 23 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY up and running. In-Reply-To: <20091121032348.M17155@dwave.net> References: <20091121032348.M17155@dwave.net> Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911231447i6427aas77bc25e2991f5f04@mail.gmail.com> Great looking Juke I really like the the AY they sound great and I think are very handsome looking. Yours looks nice great to see another AY being enjoyed. Regards Don On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Jeremy Agema wrote: > Looks great Kyle! > > Thanks for posting the photos > > Jeremy Agema > > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:48:58 -0800, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote > > Hi guys. > > Been a while. I've been a busy little beaver keeping head above water > and trying to relax a little in between, but finally managed to spend an > hour or so on my Seeburg AY that was left to me by my deceased friend. I > bought a solid state-rebuilt control unit for it form a member here (Sorry, > man, can't remember who!) a year or two ago. > > > > Anyway, I gave it a lube job, put the control center in, soldered a > couple boogered up pins on one of the plugs, and fired it up. Works great. > Probably going to invest in a new upper glass for it. Other than that, > it's in good condition. > > > > Click here for photo. > > Click here for video. > > > > Kyle ~ > > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > > target="_blank"> border="0" alt="Photobucket">
> > target="_blank"> border="0" alt="Photobucket"> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2_______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From pinplayers at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 15:10:34 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Mon Nov 23 15:12:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C MRA 3 L6 AMP recapp Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911231510p4b983acaneb4f7b9ce631a763@mail.gmail.com> I have a Friend that bought a M100C to place in a diner he is restoring. I offered to look at improving the sound quality and the low volume.As well as look at getting it to credit up correctly. Well not sure what I got myself into. I have recapped two amps previously both for AY stereo machines. They worked out great so I thought I was up to the task. Well I have the Juke at my place took the amp out and sure enough someone has been in there previously and replaced 7 or 8 caps and did a real hack job (some of the caps were just twisted on no solder!). so I purchased a cap kit from A1I really like his kits and purchased a tech maunal. I have replaced all caps and the sound quality has improved but I just can't get decent volume out of it. I have a Sencore tube tester and all the tubes test nice and strong. I have gone over my work several times but you know how that goes. I did find there was a missing 33kohm resister going across the base select that I have since installed. One thing to note the Wattges selector appears to be working as well as the automatic volume control and Treble but the base select does not appear to be working no change when selecting different levels. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Regards Don From pinplayers at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 15:44:58 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Mon Nov 23 15:46:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Amp low volume Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911231544j840eb7di15cc749647203585@mail.gmail.com> I have a Friend that bought a M100C to place in a diner he is restoring. I offered to look at improving the sound quality and the low volume.As well as look at getting it to credit up correctly. Well not sure what I got myself into. I have recapped two amps previously both for AY stereo machines. They worked out great so I thought I was up to the task. Well I have the Juke at my place took the amp out and sure enough someone has been in there previously and replaced 7 or 8 caps and did a real hack job (some of the caps were just twisted on no solder!). so I purchased a cap kit from A1I really like his kits and purchased a tech maunal. I have replaced all caps and the sound quality has improved but I just can't get decent volume out of it. I have a Sencore tube tester and all the tubes test nice and strong. I have gone over my work several times but you know how that goes. I did find there was a missing 33kohm resister going across the base select that I have since installed. One thing to note the Wattges selector appears to be working as well as the automatic volume control and Treble but the base select does not appear to be working no change when selecting different levels. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Regards Don From pinplayers at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 15:55:02 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Mon Nov 23 16:02:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] test post Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911231555t55ab5556j2aa27350978aee7f@mail.gmail.com> From pinplayers at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 16:03:20 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Mon Nov 23 16:03:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911231603p65f1848fj19379effac4678ad@mail.gmail.com> I have a Friend that bought a M100C to place in a diner he is restoring. I offered to look at improving the sound quality and the low volume.As well as look at getting it to credit up correctly. Well not sure what I got myself into. I have recapped two amps previously both for AY stereo machines. They worked out great so I thought I was up to the task. Well I have the Juke at my place took the amp out and sure enough someone has been in there previously and replaced 7 or 8 caps and did a real hack job (some of the caps were just twisted on no solder!). so I purchased a cap kit from A1I really like his kits and purchased a tech maunal. I have replaced all caps and the sound quality has improved but I just can't get decent volume out of it. I have a Sencore tube tester and all the tubes test nice and strong. I have gone over my work several times but you know how that goes. I did find there was a missing 33kohm resister going across the base select that I have since installed. One thing to note the Wattges selector appears to be working as well as the automatic volume control and Treble but the base select does not appear to be working no change when selecting different levels. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Regards Don From rjpope at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 23 16:28:48 2009 From: rjpope at sbcglobal.net (Rodney J Pope) Date: Mon Nov 23 16:37:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2610 amp Message-ID: <928799.18962.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jay, about 5 years ago while living in ventura you re-built the amp of my 2610 for me. (and you did a great job of it) Well yesterday?I was making an adjustment and dropped a screwdriver and it fell down the side of the amp and dropped?inside. As a result, after replacing the fuse?I have very low volume. I now live in the Sacramento area and would appreciate any help you could give me. ? Thanks Rod Pope ? From jay at west.net Mon Nov 23 16:41:01 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Nov 23 16:42:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2610 amp In-Reply-To: <928799.18962.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <928799.18962.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B0B2B9D.6000408@west.net> Rodney J Pope wrote: > Jay, about 5 years ago while living in ventura you re-built the amp of my 2610 for me. (and you did a great job of it) Well yesterday I was making an adjustment and dropped a screwdriver and it fell down the side of the amp and dropped inside. As a result, after replacing the fuse I have very low volume. I now live in the Sacramento area and would appreciate any help you could give me. > > Thanks > Rod Pope > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -- -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 23 17:03:49 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 23 17:07:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? Message-ID: <20091123.200349.5437.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Weighing in on the discussion-- Early RO pinbank intermittents seem to come up here frequently--- MICROSWITCHES Some RO jukes, provide for mechanical stroke adjustment of the microswitch closures, others do not. The only answer is ,as you said,Ron, bend the operating levers, or install a spacer,like M. Berger did. Generally, when a spacer is needed to make the switch work correctly, this is an indication that the switch is on the way out and should be replaced. I remember a short discussion thread appearing here awhile back (possibly it was an import from the Wurlitzer Owners Group site) where someone found a way to open up and successfully recondition the contacts of these large-size, obsolete microswitches. I'm not sure whether I saved the info or not. I believe it came from Duke and Rat. PINBANKS When it comes to cleaning/repairing pinbanks, the RO service manuals aren't very helpful. The books for various 50's and early 60's models describe how to remove,then reinstall and align a repaired pin bank but that's all. Beginning around 1964 RO ditched the solenoid pinbank system for the write-in/read-out hammer solenoid system they used until they computerized their jukes circa 1980. It can be a tedious time-consuming job to clean/fix an RO 120-select pinbank. The 200-play models are even more difficult. After removing the pinbank, there are little springs, pins, contacts etc that need to be kept track of and in alignment as you open up the pinbank casing. Can anyone on the list describe a method to go about this procedure successfully? Has anyone put together a how-to book or video describing the right way to do this? Is anyone aware of any of the servicers providing an RO pinbank rebuilding service for chassis that are removed and sent to them? Last week, I contacted Vern Tisdale on behalf of one of my customers--he will only work on Seeburg 100 pinbanks--no RO's. Due to the time it takes,if given the choice,I'd prefer to send RO pinbanks out for reconditioning rather than doing them in house. QUICK FIXES There are several "quick fixes" that I've seen people try in order to avoid dealing with crusty, intermittent microswitches, pinbanks and balky basket/gripper arm motors in jukes of this era. It seems like these may provide some temporary relief, but you're only prolonging the inevitable. # 1. Fix--spray pinbanks and microswitch openings either with contact cleaner or with WD40. Why it won't work: Contact cleaner usually won't reach solenoid contacts inside the drum. Most contact cleaners (except for Caig DeOxit) contain a lubricant base that eventually attracts dirt/dust, making the solenoid action gummy and sticky. WD40, contrary to popular opinion, is not a just a spray lubricant, it is also a paint thinner-like chemical that is corrosive to certain materials. The lubricant qualities of it become tacky as it attracts dirt and dust,causing solenoids to stick. #2 Fix Force light-viscosity oil into open end-holes of record basket and gripper arm motors. Why it won't work Oil fouls the commutator and brush contacts of these DC motors, causing a smoke buildup,causes them to lose torque, or for dynamic braking applications, to coast. For motor maintenance these motors need to be disassembled, cleaned and oiled. # 3 Fix. Boost the voltage of the 28 volt DC power supply that powers the selection system circuits, motors etc. by 3 to 4 volts. This is generally accomplished by installing one or more 300-to 400 mfd 50 volt capacitors online after the bridge rectifier. Supposedly this stabilizes the under-load power supply voltage, "cleans" dirty microswitch contact points, causes marginal solenoids, group relays, etc to close more firmly, makes motors run a little faster etc. The jury's still out on this one, though I've seen it tried quite a few times. Does this do more harm than good? Not sure. Does anyone care to offer an opinion on the subject? I'd enjoy hearing opinions on this topic that seems to come up frequently. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Doctoral Degrees Online Explore our directory of degrees. Move ahead with a Doctorate Degree! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=FzCewz8Q3Q1wHC771jnw9AAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAEgN0T4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkSEAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 23 17:29:28 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 23 17:33:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume Message-ID: <20091123.202928.14668.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Don: Here are a few ideas that may highlight the problems you're experiencing: Low gain & lack of low-end response: Are you having to open the Seeburg volume control past 50% of total to get sufficient volume for the location? If yes, remember this is a loudness compensated volume control--at high settings, the contoured bass boost is equalized out. This might be why the bass-tone control seems to be ineffective. Once you solve the lack-of-gain problem,this issue might solve itself. Lack of overall volume: Are you driving an external speaker system at the diner? Everything properly matched? If you are using the 70 volt speaker terminals, the manual describes how to best manage this type of spkr system setup. Have you checked the phono cartridge? Original "blackhead" and "redhead" mono phono cartridges have the capability of losing volume output, but still remain operational. Try substituting another cartridge. TIP: With a redhead cartridge, are the stylii fully seated in the magnet gap? If not,this will cause loss of level. If you are using the updated Pickering 343-05D stereo conversion cartridge, these have slightly lower output than the original mono devices. There should still be sufficient cartridge output to drive the amp properly. Have you tried substituting the 5879 preamp tube with another? I'd try substituting another 5U4 tube and see if there's improvement. ( a tube checker does not test all aspects of many tubes) This is not a proper fix, but if you remove the AVC tube (6SK7, I think) this should give you some more gain. Good luck in your troubleshooting, JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Liberty University Online Earn a bachelors degree online in Nursing. Get free info now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=_y_H4KRSJdRBSSqowtjz-gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAJ2l7T4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSGmAAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 18:18:19 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 23 18:26:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? In-Reply-To: <20091123.200349.5437.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <218429.71723.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, I agree about 1 and 2. For # 3, I don't like doing it, as the higher (then spec) voltage on those old parts, worries me--- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 11/23/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 5:03 PM Gentlemen: Weighing in on the discussion-- Early RO pinbank intermittents seem to come up here frequently--- MICROSWITCHES Some RO jukes, provide for mechanical stroke adjustment of the microswitch closures, others do not.? The only answer is ,as you said,Ron,? bend the operating levers, or install a spacer,like M. Berger did.? ? Generally, when a spacer is needed to make the switch work correctly, this is an indication that the switch is on the way out and should be replaced. I remember a short discussion thread appearing here awhile back? (possibly it was an import from the Wurlitzer Owners Group site) where someone found a way to open up and successfully recondition the contacts of these large-size, obsolete microswitches. I'm not sure whether I saved the info or not..???I believe it came from Duke and Rat. PINBANKS When it comes to cleaning/repairing pinbanks, the RO service manuals aren't very helpful. The books for various 50's and early 60's models describe how to remove,then reinstall and align a repaired pin bank but that's all.? Beginning around 1964 RO ditched the solenoid pinbank system for the write-in/read-out hammer solenoid system they used until they computerized their jukes circa 1980. It can be a tedious time-consuming job to clean/fix an RO? 120-select pinbank.? ???The 200-play models are even more difficult. After removing the pinbank, there are little springs, pins, contacts etc that need to be kept track of and in alignment as you open up the pinbank casing. Can anyone on the list describe a? method to go about this procedure successfully?? Has anyone put together a how-to book or video describing the right way to do this? Is anyone aware? of any of the servicers? providing an RO pinbank rebuilding service for chassis that are removed and sent to them? Last week, I contacted Vern Tisdale on behalf of one of my customers--he will only work on Seeburg 100 pinbanks--no RO's.? Due to the time it takes,if given the choice,I'd prefer to send RO pinbanks out for reconditioning rather than doing them in house. QUICK FIXES There are several "quick fixes" that I've seen people try in order to avoid dealing with crusty, intermittent microswitches, pinbanks? and balky basket/gripper arm motors in jukes of this era.? ? It seems like these may provide some temporary relief, but you're only prolonging the inevitable.? #? 1. Fix--spray pinbanks and microswitch openings either with contact cleaner or with WD40.? ??? Why it won't work: Contact cleaner usually won't reach solenoid contacts inside the drum.? Most contact cleaners (except for Caig DeOxit) contain a lubricant base that eventually attracts dirt/dust, making the solenoid action gummy and sticky.. WD40, contrary to popular opinion, is not a just a spray lubricant, it is also a paint thinner-like chemical that is corrosive to certain materials. The lubricant qualities of it become tacky as it attracts dirt and dust,causing solenoids to stick.? #2? Fix Force light-viscosity oil into open end-holes of record basket and gripper arm motors.? ? Why it won't work? Oil fouls the commutator and brush contacts of these DC motors, causing a smoke buildup,causes them to lose torque, or for dynamic braking applications, to coast.? ? ? ? ? ? ? For motor maintenance these motors need to be disassembled, cleaned and oiled. # 3? Fix.??? Boost the voltage of the 28 volt DC power supply that powers the selection system circuits, motors etc.? by 3 to 4 volts.???This is generally accomplished by installing one or more 300-to 400 mfd 50 volt capacitors online after the bridge rectifier.???Supposedly this stabilizes the? ? ???under-load power supply voltage, "cleans" dirty microswitch contact points, causes marginal solenoids, group relays, etc to close more firmly, makes motors run a little faster etc. The jury's still out on this one, though I've seen it tried quite a few times.? Does this do more harm than good?? Not sure. Does anyone care to offer an opinion on the subject????I'd enjoy hearing opinions on this topic that seems to come up frequently. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Doctoral Degrees Online Explore our directory of degrees. Move ahead with a Doctorate Degree! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=FzCewz8Q3Q1wHC771jnw9AAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAEgN0T4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkSEAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinplayers at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 18:53:41 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Mon Nov 23 18:55:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume In-Reply-To: <20091123.202928.14668.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091123.202928.14668.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911231853xfbb5455h4891e2db39f4a94e@mail.gmail.com> Jim, thanks for the information. To clarify the Juke is in my garage/ workshop. The Diner is set to open the first of the year so I have a little time. To answer a few of your questions I have to place the Juke at full volume to get a decent amount of sound out to hear the selection played. At present there are no external speakers or wallbox's attached. It does have a Pickering 345-03D cartridge installed . This Amp uses 6L6 tubes for its drivers and 6SL7 Tubes for the pre-amp. I don't have any additional tubes to try with the exception of the 5U4 which I do have a spare. I will give your suggestions a go tomorrow morning and will post the results. Thanks Don. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:29 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Don: > > Here are a few ideas that may highlight the problems you're experiencing: > > > Low gain & lack of low-end response: > > Are you having to open the Seeburg volume control past 50% of total to get > sufficient volume for the location? If yes, remember this is a loudness > compensated volume control--at high settings, the contoured bass boost is > equalized out. This might be why the bass-tone control seems to be > ineffective. Once you solve the lack-of-gain problem,this issue might solve > itself. > > Lack of overall volume: > > Are you driving an external speaker system at the diner? Everything > properly matched? If you are using the 70 volt speaker terminals, the > manual describes how to best manage this type of spkr system setup. > > Have you checked the phono cartridge? Original "blackhead" and "redhead" > mono phono cartridges have the capability of losing volume output, but still > remain operational. Try substituting another cartridge. TIP: With a > redhead cartridge, are the stylii fully seated in the magnet gap? If > not,this will cause loss of level. > If you are using the updated Pickering 343-05D stereo conversion cartridge, > these have slightly lower output than the original mono devices. There > should still be sufficient cartridge output to drive the amp properly. > > Have you tried substituting the 5879 preamp tube with another? I'd try > substituting another 5U4 tube and see if there's improvement. ( a tube > checker does not test all aspects of many tubes) > > This is not a proper fix, but if you remove the AVC tube (6SK7, I think) > this should give you some more gain. > > Good luck in your troubleshooting, > > JIm Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Liberty University Online > Earn a bachelors degree online in Nursing. Get free info now! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=_y_H4KRSJdRBSSqowtjz-gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAJ2l7T4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSGmAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 20:10:30 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Nov 23 20:12:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume In-Reply-To: <20091123.202928.14668.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <671130.88655.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 11/23/09, James Alexander wrote: > TIP: With a redhead > cartridge, are the stylii fully seated in the magnet > gap? If not,this will cause loss of level. This is a common mode of failure for the black head cartridge as well. The stylus cantilever becomes detached from its mount and only produces adequate volume if you use finger pressure on the cartridge to push the stylus back to center when it's playing. It can effect one side and not the other. If it has this problem, West-Tech can rebuild them. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 23 22:20:57 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 23 22:23:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume Message-ID: <20091124.012057.22756.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> David: Thanks for your input, but at some point,after I wrote about the mono pickup problems, Mr Whiting indicated that he's using the Pickering 343-05D stereo conversion cartridge in this 100C juke. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Justice Degrees Start your criminal justice career. Earn your degree 100% online! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xGYjnILxeIjK5zDEqScQkgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAARWjj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQKAAAAAA= From pinplayers at gmail.com Tue Nov 24 09:15:55 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Tue Nov 24 09:17:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume In-Reply-To: <20091124.012057.22756.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091124.012057.22756.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e0911240915o82c045cl2d0f120c60698cea@mail.gmail.com> David and Jim thanks for the help. This is were I'm at: reducing the volume to less than half I can hear the bass control working at all 4 positions. Jim I removed the 6SK7 tube eliminating the Automatic Volume Control and now I do have adequate volume. So I'm assuming the problem is somewhere in the AVC circuit correct? Don. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:20 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > > David: > > Thanks for your input, but at some point,after I wrote about the mono > pickup problems, Mr Whiting indicated that he's using the Pickering 343-05D > stereo conversion cartridge in this 100C juke. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Criminal Justice Degrees > Start your criminal justice career. Earn your degree 100% online! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xGYjnILxeIjK5zDEqScQkgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAARWjj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQKAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From chisler at jps.net Mon Nov 23 19:07:45 2009 From: chisler at jps.net (Daniel Chisler) Date: Tue Nov 24 09:28:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub Message-ID: <4B0B4E01.3070307@jps.net> Subject Rockola Rub . Who is the expert on rockola rub the insidious rub marks on the 45 records . No doubt I have noticed on newer 1960 modles with wire magizines the wires were bent too close together so the record had to actually squeeze the wire out of the way . also if the cage is out of alignment would no doubt add to the problem . Does Rockola rub happen more or less on sheet metal record seperators used on older 1950 models? From smitchen at cokecce.com Mon Nov 23 08:05:35 2009 From: smitchen at cokecce.com (Steve Mitchen) Date: Tue Nov 24 09:29:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Listing for a Rockola amplifier Message-ID: I am looking for an Amplifier for a Rockola 1464. If anyone has one, please email me at smitchen5@verizon.net Thanks Steve ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE NOTICE: This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any printing, copying, dissemination, distribution, disclosure or forwarding of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete it from your system. Thank You. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 24 09:51:08 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 24 09:53:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? Message-ID: <20091124.125108.29267.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Ron: The idea of building out the jukes' 28 volt DC power supply to provide higher voltage output in mechanically-controlled jukes may have been the brain-child of a local independent service company in this area that is now defunct. I've come across a number of RO's, Wurlitzer,Seeburg 100, and (older) Rowe AMI machines that were modified with the additional filters installed. On average DC voltage under load reads 32V. All machines had prior service by the defunct company. The DC motor in early Wurlitzer carousel jukes' reverses direction, while under mechanical load, during the change cycle. This changer didn't tolerate the over-voltage treatment. 2 modified machines (different owners, different times) had fried motors with bad bearings and pitted/burned contacts on the transfer switch. In my work, I removed the extra power-supply parts. They've been running dependably since. Several older RO's had the modified, beefed up power supply, running original condition (no maintenance--all original switching parts, motors etc) record changers where the switches, relays pinbanks all connected positively and firmly. Motors ran slightly faster than normal, with no problems. Can't say that this helped, but usually older RO jukes in the Southeast (lots of heat & humidity) seem to be plagued with low voltage connectivity problems like Michael Berger described. AMI machines (model I and older) behaved in the same manner. The power supply modification usually consisted of 2 added electrolytic capacitors 220 mfd @ 50V, separated by a series 100 ohm 5W dropping resistor, with a 6800 ohm resistor from plus to ground after the second capacitor. (cap discharge resistor?) In some situations, the cap-resistor values were changed slightly. This full-wave filtering circuit was installed on the line immediately after the bridge rectifier. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Liberty University Online Earn a bachelors degree online in Nursing. Get free info now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Hgi093fsFAKWxhpCIQjNVAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAHv37z4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSGmAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 24 10:09:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 24 10:13:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume Message-ID: <20091124.130946.29267.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Don: The problem is not necesssarily in the AVC circuit. By removing the 6SK7 tube, this disables the AVC, which gates up the available amplifier gain by 15-20 db. The purpose for doing this test was to determine that the loudness-contour circuit (associated with vol. control) and the bass-control circuit were operational. You now need to troubleshoot where the loss of volume in the amplifier signal chain is occurring. This could be a tube failure that won't show up in a tube-checker test. The only real way to tell is to replace the tubes,one at a time, by substitution. The tubes that I would first check are the 5U4 rectifier and the 5879 preamp tube. Once you solve that problem, reinstall the 6SK7 in order to restore the AVC action. The purpose of the AVC circuit is for the amplifier to auto-correct it's volume setting, and maintaining a constant listening level.Records are recorded at varying average volume levels. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Liberty University Online Earn a bachelors degree online in Nursing. Get free info now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=2O6l9GcXI9FRDQvRbqLkKwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAHv37z4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSGmAAAAAA= From pinball at telus.net Tue Nov 24 10:30:59 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Nov 24 10:32:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? In-Reply-To: <20091124.125108.29267.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091124.125108.29267.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4B0C2663.2060605@telus.net> James Alexander wrote: > Ron: > > The idea of building out the jukes' 28 volt DC power supply to provide higher voltage output in mechanically-controlled jukes may have been the brain-child of a local independent service company in this area that is now defunct. > > I've come across a number of RO's, Wurlitzer,Seeburg 100, and (older) Rowe AMI machines that were modified with the additional filters installed. On average DC voltage under load reads 32V. All machines had prior service by the defunct company. > > The DC motor in early Wurlitzer carousel jukes' reverses direction, while under mechanical load, during the change cycle. This changer didn't tolerate the over-voltage treatment. 2 modified machines (different owners, different times) had fried motors with bad bearings and pitted/burned contacts on the transfer switch. In my work, I removed the extra power-supply parts. They've been running dependably since. > > Several older RO's had the modified, beefed up power supply, running original condition (no maintenance--all original switching parts, motors etc) record changers where the switches, relays pinbanks all connected positively and firmly. Motors ran slightly faster than normal, with no problems. Can't say that this helped, but usually older RO jukes in the Southeast (lots of heat & humidity) seem to be plagued with low voltage connectivity problems like Michael Berger described. AMI machines (model I and older) behaved in the same manner. > > The power supply modification usually consisted of 2 added electrolytic capacitors 220 mfd @ 50V, separated by a series 100 ohm 5W dropping resistor, with a 6800 ohm resistor from plus to ground after the second capacitor. (cap discharge resistor?) In some situations, the cap-resistor values were changed slightly. This full-wave filtering circuit was installed on the line immediately after the bridge rectifier. > > Jim Alexander > Hi Jim, If you have any pictures and a brief writeup on this rather brainless modification then please send them to me. I have created a webpage that I am titleing Cautionary Tales with the first item being a customer's of ours pinball catching on fire because we missed a previous technicians substitution of a sub-standard part - and what we are doing to avoid this in the future. http://www.flippers.com/CautionaryTales.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 24 10:45:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 24 10:49:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub Message-ID: <20091124.134546.8995.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Don: In my opinion, the record scuffing seems to happen with all the older models. The problem is more chronic on the 200-play models, because of the tighter magazine spacing. The record separators on the 50's models did not bend like the later units, but here you needed to maintain the spring hinges at the top of each record opening. A slight amount record scuffing goes along with RockOla ownership. The later 60's-70's models seem to have less of a problem with this. If you're experiencing a lot of record damage, there are some things to check. Don't try to use warped records in the machine. There is a magazine centering adjustment ,often out of kilter that aggravates the scuffing problem. The proper adjustment procedure is covered in the manual. This adjustment makes the record basket stop in the center of each record slot before the gripper takes out the record. Most RO jukes, (late 50's on up) have their record basket motor equipped with a dynamic braking function. If this circuit fails, after searching the record basket "coasts" to a stop at a designated selection, instead of stopping precisely.The gripper arm then scrapes the record against the magazine as it takes it out. Many times juke owners are not aware this circuit has failed until many of their records are heavily scratched. If you are looking out the for general well-being of your 45 RPM records, Wurlitzer and Seeburg jukebox changers are easier on the records. Records are stored vertically, so they pick up less dust and dirt, plus the records are gently slid into/out of their players. In proper adjustment these changers cause little or no record-handling damage. Hope this helps address your question, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Online Doctorate Degrees Find leading online Phd programs. Study anywhere anytime. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=v8lg9TAjUrPrLanlym_kegAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAD030j4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaUcwAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 24 11:02:32 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 24 11:05:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? Message-ID: <20091124.140232.8995.2@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> John: Sorry, no documentation. I could take a picture of the next modified machine that I come across, though the quality of their installation work was quite good. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Pharmacy Assistant School Earn a Pharmacy Technician Degree. Get free info and Apply Today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=XEOYnhwl3HppHnZzV_enYAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAGtWhD0AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABNldwAAAAA= From gibson510 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 24 11:11:00 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Tue Nov 24 11:14:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 wallbox connectivity Message-ID: can someone provide or explain the procedure for connecting a wallbox up to the Robot? I couldn't find anything in the manual outlining the wiring and the terminations. Did AMI provide a separate documentation for this? An addendum to the manual perhaps? Thanks! Rick p.s the selector problem for this machine turned out to be a sticking pushrod on the pinbank unit. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Tue Nov 24 12:09:26 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Tue Nov 24 12:11:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume/ AVC In-Reply-To: <20091124.130946.29267.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091124.130946.29267.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Jim, IF one of these Seeburg amps was working up to specs; and the juke is being used in occasional home use; would you recommend keeping the AVC unit active, or would you remove the 6SK7 tube? When I got my "G" both AVC tubes were removed. I've sinced replaced them, but I wonder if I should have. It seems louder without them. Also, what setting do you recommend the AVC setting be set to: 1-4 ? Thanks in advance for your expert advice. You are extremely knowledgeable! Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, November, 24 1:10 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume Don: The problem is not necesssarily in the AVC circuit. By removing the 6SK7 tube, this disables the AVC, which gates up the available amplifier gain by 15-20 db. The purpose for doing this test was to determine that the loudness-contour circuit (associated with vol. control) and the bass-control circuit were operational. You now need to troubleshoot where the loss of volume in the amplifier signal chain is occurring. This could be a tube failure that won't show up in a tube-checker test. The only real way to tell is to replace the tubes,one at a time, by substitution. The tubes that I would first check are the 5U4 rectifier and the 5879 preamp tube. Once you solve that problem, reinstall the 6SK7 in order to restore the AVC action. The purpose of the AVC circuit is for the amplifier to auto-correct it's volume setting, and maintaining a constant listening level.Records are recorded at varying average volume levels. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Liberty University Online Earn a bachelors degree online in Nursing. Get free info now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=2O6l9GcXI9FRDQvRbqLkKwA AJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAHv37z4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSGmAA AAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Tue Nov 24 12:10:36 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Tue Nov 24 12:12:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub In-Reply-To: <20091124.134546.8995.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091124.134546.8995.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <004201ca6d42$2fb79530$8f26bf90$@force9.co.uk> I used to get told I needed to 'get out more' years ago because I could tell what make of jukebox a record had been played in by looking at the scuff marks ;-) Rock-Ola's from the Concerto onwards - you will never stop the B side scuffing. They re-designed the carousel, so the dividers are not perpendicular to the centre. This means, when A1 for example is selected, the record is sitting upright against the divider behind it. It will never be equidistant between the two dividers. Consequently, when A1 is selected and picked up, the plastic mould that the guide band rides in will nearly always be caught on the record - hence Rock Olas tend to scuff the B sides, to a line roughly half way in. Like the rings on a tree you can almost tell how many times the record has been played. The earlier 60s RockOla mechs (post Tempo / Empress / Regis style ) - Starlet, Grand Prix etc... have different carousels where the top record will sit equidistant between the dividers, and also they don't have a plastic on the top to catch the record. But be grateful - could be worse- could be the Rowe Ami 1100 style mech ;-) With 100 segments, about 4mm or less between the back plastic locators, bent casousels and a mech with a thousand different adjustments on it, you haven't got a hope ;-) I completely agree, the upright style are more record friendly for scratches/scuffs. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 24 November 2009 18:46 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub Don: In my opinion, the record scuffing seems to happen with all the older models. The problem is more chronic on the 200-play models, because of the tighter magazine spacing. The record separators on the 50's models did not bend like the later units, but here you needed to maintain the spring hinges at the top of each record opening. A slight amount record scuffing goes along with RockOla ownership. The later 60's-70's models seem to have less of a problem with this. If you're experiencing a lot of record damage, there are some things to check. Don't try to use warped records in the machine. There is a magazine centering adjustment ,often out of kilter that aggravates the scuffing problem. The proper adjustment procedure is covered in the manual. This adjustment makes the record basket stop in the center of each record slot before the gripper takes out the record. Most RO jukes, (late 50's on up) have their record basket motor equipped with a dynamic braking function. If this circuit fails, after searching the record basket "coasts" to a stop at a designated selection, instead of stopping precisely.The gripper arm then scrapes the record against the magazine as it takes it out. Many times juke owners are not aware this circuit has failed until many of their records are heavily scratched. If you are looking out the for general well-being of your 45 RPM records, Wurlitzer and Seeburg jukebox changers are easier on the records. Records are stored vertically, so they pick up less dust and dirt, plus the records are gently slid into/out of their players. In proper adjustment these changers cause little or no record-handling damage. Hope this helps address your question, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Online Doctorate Degrees Find leading online Phd programs. Study anywhere anytime. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=v8lg9TAjUrPrLanlym_kegAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAD030j4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaUcwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Tue Nov 24 12:29:27 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Tue Nov 24 12:31:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 wallbox connectivity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005301ca6d44$d23c6ea0$76b54be0$@force9.co.uk> Hi Rick. Firstly, you need to see if you have a stepper fitted. On Continentals this is a two piece affair, situated to the left and right of the mechanism. If you do, on the right hand side there is a terminal block where the wallboxes attach to. If you have no stepper, they are very rare and expensive, and don't come along too often, being purely a one model only accessory. Best regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of rick murray Sent: 24 November 2009 19:11 To: jukebox list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental 2 wallbox connectivity can someone provide or explain the procedure for connecting a wallbox up to the Robot? I couldn't find anything in the manual outlining the wiring and the terminations. Did AMI provide a separate documentation for this? An addendum to the manual perhaps? Thanks! Rick p.s the selector problem for this machine turned out to be a sticking pushrod on the pinbank unit. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From johntrav at windstream.net Tue Nov 24 12:44:48 2009 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Tue Nov 24 13:36:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 optical switch Message-ID: I'm needing to replace the opto p/n 309068-01on an R-84. Happ lists a opto for the R-90 p/n 4070226-01. Would these two interchange? If not, any suggestions for a source for the original part? Rowe sometimes changes p/n #'s on identical parts, thus the question. Thanks, John Travelletti From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Tue Nov 24 14:15:59 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue Nov 24 14:17:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 optical switch References: Message-ID: http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Travelletti" To: "jukebox-list" Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 optical switch I'm needing to replace the opto p/n 309068-01on an R-84. Happ lists a opto for the R-90 p/n 4070226-01. Would these two interchange? If not, any suggestions for a source for the original part? Rowe sometimes changes p/n #'s on identical parts, thus the question. Thanks, John Travelletti _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 24 14:51:33 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 24 14:54:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume/ AVC Message-ID: <20091124.175133.4094.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Hello Michael: It does not hurt or damage your Seeburg amp to leave the AVC disabled, if you don't mind the volume variations from a loud record to a soft one. The gentlemen discussing the Seeburg 100C amp problem intended to place the juke in restaurant service where the AVC function working is important to successful operation. You should bear in mind, that there is a low-gain fault with your amp and it will probably grow worse with age--at some point you'll need to get it fixed. It might be just a tube. I'm assuming that you've had your amp serviced/recapped at some point and that it's not using it's original electronics. If you haven't you should plan it have it rebuilt. If you have the 6SK7 tube pulled, the AVC setting switch will be disabled and not in the circuit. It is my understanding that the 1-2-3-4 AVC settings on the early Seeburg amps set a threshold at which the AVC action would be triggered and at which point it would clamp the average volume level of the program. Setting # 1 was supposed to be the minimum AVC correction with setting # 4 offering the greatest amount of auto-correction. These circuits were a brand new feature for jukeboxes in the mid 50's--chances are it is discussed in detail in the M100G service manual. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Liberty University Online Earn a bachelors degree online in Nursing. Get free info now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=KnCbYGmsoWbvNfMS_HyO9gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAHv37z4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSGmAAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 24 15:05:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 24 15:07:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 optical switch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <913504.40194.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, Look at the plug on the switch--the early one is white, and the later is red--they are not supposed to interchange--however--I have been told that they do--If you want, John at www.jukeboxbpats.com? had both types, NOS, in stock, the last time I was there-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/24/09, John Travelletti wrote: From: John Travelletti Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 optical switch To: "jukebox-list" Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 12:44 PM I'm needing to replace the opto p/n 309068-01on an R-84. Happ lists a opto for the R-90 p/n 4070226-01. Would these two interchange? If not, any suggestions for a source for the original part? Rowe sometimes changes p/n #'s on identical parts, thus the question. Thanks, John Travelletti _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 24 15:11:16 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 24 15:12:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 optical switch In-Reply-To: <913504.40194.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <147380.46475.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Correction to my poor typing--it's --? www.jukeboxparts.com?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/24/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 optical switch To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 3:05 PM John, Look at the plug on the switch--the early one is white, and the later is red--they are not supposed to interchange--however--I have been told that they do--If you want, John at www.jukeboxbpats.com? had both types, NOS, in stock, the last time I was there-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/24/09, John Travelletti wrote: From: John Travelletti Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 optical switch To: "jukebox-list" Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 12:44 PM I'm needing to replace the opto p/n 309068-01on an R-84. Happ lists a opto for the R-90 p/n 4070226-01. Would these two interchange? If not, any suggestions for a source for the original part? Rowe sometimes changes p/n #'s on identical parts, thus the question. Thanks, John Travelletti _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 24 15:18:39 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 24 15:21:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub Message-ID: <20091124.181839.20431.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Nigel: If you have a 45 RPM record collection that you value, you'll notice things like this. That's an interesting observation on this problem. By adjusting the basket centering stop point on the 60's Concerto's etc, is it not possible to "tune out" the record scuffing somehat? Recently I worked on a model 414 (Capri) for friend---I was able to center this 100-play mechanism to line up quite well. A number of the metal record separators were bent in one direction and had to be straightened out The 70's model 160 play machines (i.e. 442, 450,456 etc) all have a rounded teflon wedge mounted on the record spacers. If the basket slot isn't perfectly centered, records come in contact with the teflon before scraping on the steel separators. Fewer scratches that way. It seems like the record-scuff problem came back with the computer-controlled vinyl models of the 80's. The early 60's RO's (Tempo, Regis, etc) used a variation of this setup,with wedge spacers in the record separators. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=HlQTejrXoJbrJS7rL8BitgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= From johntrav at windstream.net Tue Nov 24 16:52:27 2009 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Tue Nov 24 16:54:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 optical switch References: <147380.46475.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1E90B90E34EF43C1A7D8D377F9CC3E71@JOHNTRAV> Thanks, Ron! I left an email for John with the p/n's. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 optical switch Correction to my poor typing--it's -- www.jukeboxparts.com Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/24/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 optical switch To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 3:05 PM John, Look at the plug on the switch--the early one is white, and the later is red--they are not supposed to interchange--however--I have been told that they do--If you want, John at www.jukeboxbpats.com had both types, NOS, in stock, the last time I was there-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/24/09, John Travelletti wrote: From: John Travelletti Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 optical switch To: "jukebox-list" Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 12:44 PM I'm needing to replace the opto p/n 309068-01on an R-84. Happ lists a opto for the R-90 p/n 4070226-01. Would these two interchange? If not, any suggestions for a source for the original part? Rowe sometimes changes p/n #'s on identical parts, thus the question. Thanks, John Travelletti _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mikeberger at msn.com Tue Nov 24 17:02:09 2009 From: mikeberger at msn.com (Michael Berger) Date: Tue Nov 24 17:03:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? Message-ID: I want to thank everyone who responded to my original post. I really value all of your input. This is my first juke, and I am reminded how I felt when my first Gottlieb EM pinball arrived. Five year later, and I can diagnose and fix most of these problems. Now with this juke, I have a clearer vision of how the learning curve is going to progress. I am going to get an analog meter and check the microswitch in question. As James stated in some earlier posts, I too would really like to see a step by step how-to on selector refurbishing. It does seem like Rockola could have done a more complete job in documenting its repair procedures. Once again, thanks to all. Mike From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 24 17:28:50 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Tue Nov 24 17:30:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? References: Message-ID: <471F5CE1DF204402A056D4D19AD7A29F@dirksen> Mike - I believe the function of that microswitch is simply to disconnect power to the titleboard while the door is open and you are changing titlestrips. While changing strips, it is easy to accidentally move the board slightly, causing it to rotate. It will jam up if you happen to have the board only half way out at the time. I've seen many machines without this switch, and wonder if it was included on all of them, or was removed at a later date. Anyway, over the years, sagging cabinets and worn out locking mechanisms will cause nuisance problems with this switch. You can replace it, but a much simpler solution is to jumper it. You can simply remove one wire and screw them both together on one terminal, leaving the switch in place for appearances sake. Since your machine is no longer on location, whether the door is locked properly or not is not a priority. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Berger" To: Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? My RO was having trouble consistently selecting. After much reading and research, I realize that the only way to fix this problem is to refurb the unit itself. But before doing that, I thought I would try the contact cleaner approach. I got a can of NuTrol contact cleaner and sprayed it onto the pins. I worked them back and forth, up and down for at least 20 times each pin. I let the unit dry overnight. The next day I fired the box up and quess what? No change...crap!! What I did notice though is that in order for any selection to register, there is a microswitch that must be closed. (The one on the door that powers the title strip motor). With the door open, I closed this switch with my finger, and the selector worked better, but not perfect. I applied more pressure to switch, and the selector then worked perfectly. Coincidence? Closing the front and latching it, the switch engaged (the metal switch blade presses against an L bracket), but now the selector did not work 100%. I then put a thin piece of cardboard between the metal switch blade and the switch button to increase the leverage on the button. Closed the door, and the selector works 100%. I will be ordering a new YZ-2RL microswitch from VG. Question: Could the fix be this simple, or could it be the selector unit as well, and this is just a coincidence? Mike _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.80/2523 - Release Date: 11/24/09 02:46:00 From baseball_alphonse at yahoo.com Tue Nov 24 18:03:46 2009 From: baseball_alphonse at yahoo.com (Alphonse Alphonse) Date: Tue Nov 24 18:12:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub In-Reply-To: <20091124.181839.20431.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <95162.46309.qm@web51909.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi all, I have a 1436A, Rockola Fireball 120 from 1953 and can attest that eliminating the record scuff is an in-exact science. You can get it really close but I'm not sure you can ever eliminate it. It is covered in the manual and if you follow the instructions exactly and are patient, you can do it. One problem I ran into was the record basket is attached to a shaft and held in place with a square head 1/4 inch bolt. Make sure this bolt is tight. If it's even a little bit loose, the basket will slip slightly on the shaft when it reverses and you will never get the adjustment right. Check it periodically as it can loosen up over time. This drove me a little crazy for a few hours when I was adjusting mine. Once I tightened it up everything went well. Good luck al --- On Tue, 11/24/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 6:18 PM Nigel: If you have a 45 RPM record collection that you value, you'll notice things like this. That's an interesting observation on this problem.? ? By adjusting the basket centering stop point on the 60's Concerto's etc, is it not possible to "tune out" the record scuffing somehat?? Recently I worked on a model 414 (Capri) for friend---I was able to center this 100-play mechanism to line up quite well.? A number of the metal record separators were bent in one direction and had to be straightened out The 70's model 160 play machines? (i.e. 442, 450,456 etc) all have a rounded teflon wedge mounted on the record spacers.? If the basket slot isn't perfectly centered, records come in contact with the teflon before scraping on the steel separators. Fewer scratches that way.???It seems like the record-scuff problem came back with the computer-controlled vinyl models of the 80's. The early 60's RO's (Tempo, Regis, etc) used a variation of this setup,with wedge spacers in the record separators. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=HlQTejrXoJbrJS7rL8BitgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 24 18:49:56 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 24 18:53:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? Message-ID: <20091124.214956.7350.0@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> Mr Berger: Congratulations on buying your first juke and welcome to the list. From your descriptions I take it that some functions of your machine are somehat working,hanging on by a thread, and that the machine is pretty much in a well preserved original condition. I'm giving you a progression of how I'd tackle the general work to renovate your machine. You can progress through most of the work at your chosen pace. 1. Check the value of ALL fuses in all chassis. It's a common occurrence for high-value fuses to be installed, if a fuse blows when the right one isn't handy. A short circuit or mechanical jam in your machine can damage/fry expensive hard to find parts if a circuit is overfused. 2. If flourescent lamps are blinking or not working. Replace the lamps and starters. Defective lamps can overeheat/burnout light ballasts. Identify and replace any rotted disintegrating 110 volt wiring. 3. Get a service manual, in case you havern't already. 4. clean/oil record changer per the manual--make note of marginal/missing/broken parts. This should include disassembly and cleaning of the record basket and gripper arm motors. 5. If you intend to use the machine at this stage of the game, update the original mono cartridge with a ceramic stereo cartridge, wired mono. This way you can safely track both stereo and mono records without damaging them. Although there are several choices available, a good cartridge fit for this machine is the Pfanstiehl P-132D model. A $20 cartridge furnished with new double .7 mil stylii. 6. Rebuild original electronics The RO power supply chassis and amplifier units usually need to be rebuilt. This will usually yield a big improvement in sound quality. Verify the condition of the speaker system. 7. Trace through switching, selection-registration electronics, credit unit etc for correct operation. This analog machine uses a lot of series-parallel switching circuits. Verify all else first, then if needed, remove and refresh pinbank, then reinstall. I'm not addressing any cabinet, trim,glasswork appearance items etc that you may want to work on. To address your particular concerns, per your earlier emails: RE: service manuals----No,in my opinion, RO didn't put a lot of illustrative effort into their manuals,but the basics are there.--- On the other hand who'd believe that we'd be attempting to maintain the life of an electro-mechanical unit 55 years later? On the RO front door, linked to the revolving title drum--there is a switch assembly there that acts as a number multiplier. On some RockOlas, these are microswitches, on others they are open-contact leaf switches.The microswitch you've encountered in your last letter may be an interlock that stops the selector drum from turning when the front door panel is open. If you need them there are tech services that can reflock your "fuzz-covered" turntable,rebuild amps, and rebuild damaged/worn turntable idler wheels. If I find out anymore helpful info regarding the rebuilding of selection pinbanks, I'll let you know. Two resources you should know: Victory Glass in Iowa (web: www.victoryglass.com) is a specialty parts house catering to the jukebox hobby. Victory bought out the remaining vinyl phono parts inventory from RockOla when the RockOla family sold the business in the mid 90's. There are 15 screens listings worth of original juke parts from the 50's thru the 80's. John Durfee Coinop in Orange MA (web:wwwjukeboxparts.com) has one of the biggest jukebox parts salvage operations in the country. If you need to find an original old part, he's probably got it. At a sister website (web: www.needles4jukeboxes.com) he sells needles, phono cartridges, jukebox keys, etc. that you might need. Hope this helps you with your project: Wishing you and your family a happy Thanksgiving Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Liberty University Online Earn a bachelors degree online in Nursing. Get free info now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=qOLW_3fsuYl_zxuQhWzqAAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAHv37z4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSGmAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 24 18:58:32 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 24 19:01:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub Message-ID: <20091124.215832.7350.1@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Alphonse is right,this can be a problem on the 50's 120-play RO selector drums. These stopped and reversed direction of travel. These drums with all their onboard hardware were heavy and weighed a lot. Beginning around 1958-59, the drum design was changed so that it now rotates in one continous direction. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Liberty University Online Earn a bachelors degree online in Nursing. Get free info now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Y-Ct4ALh5QdNqbkfm9ww3QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAHv37z4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSGmAAAAAA= From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Tue Nov 24 19:02:47 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Tue Nov 24 19:12:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 optical switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have both red and white connector optical switches available. Contact me off-list. Thomas On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 2:44 PM, John Travelletti wrote: > I'm needing to replace the opto p/n 309068-01on an R-84. Happ lists a opto > for the R-90 p/n 4070226-01. Would these two interchange? If not, any > suggestions for a source for the original part? Rowe sometimes changes p/n > #'s on identical parts, thus the question. > Thanks, > John Travelletti > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jacksjukebox at hotmail.com Tue Nov 24 20:02:24 2009 From: jacksjukebox at hotmail.com (Jack McGill) Date: Tue Nov 24 21:30:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] hello guys Message-ID: hope i am doing this right talked to mike dicceco awhile back about this i am very intrested in helping people with jukebox [parts and info alot of knowledge on seeburg coin op guys thx jack ! _________________________________________________________________ Ready. Set. Get a great deal on Windows 7. See fantastic deals on Windows 7 now http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691818 From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Nov 25 00:56:31 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Wed Nov 25 00:58:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub In-Reply-To: <20091124.181839.20431.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091124.181839.20431.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi James, One thing I will say is its extremely rare that the scuff marks ever affect the sound. One thing you mention is bent separators. This is one thing an owner can easily sort out, which will lessen the problem and make for a better reliability. Care is needed though - only a month ago I bent a divider on a Rowe Ami, and it snapped off! so care is needed. On the 1970s flat play Wurlitzers, there is no adjustment as the carousels are plastic. These also scuff, but to a lesser degree. I found sometimes the problem on these was plastic burrs which could be filed down quite easily. I think the problem becomes more obvious when a previous owner has bent the divides when really they should have adjusted the stopping position of the mech instead. This can be a real pain. Sloppy gripper action can also aggrevate the issue no matter how uniform the dividers are. I had to change the rear gripper cam on my Continental years ago as it was sloppy on returning the records. The replacement one made it perfect. Regards Nigel > > Nigel: > > If you have a 45 RPM record collection that you value, you'll notice > things like this. > > That's an interesting observation on this problem. By adjusting the > basket centering stop point on the 60's Concerto's etc, is it not possible > to "tune out" the record scuffing somehat? Recently I worked on a model > 414 (Capri) for friend---I was able to center this 100-play mechanism to > line up quite well. A number of the metal record separators were bent in > one direction and had to be straightened out > > The 70's model 160 play machines (i.e. 442, 450,456 etc) all have a > rounded teflon wedge mounted on the record spacers. If the basket slot > isn't perfectly centered, records come in contact with the teflon before > scraping on the steel separators. Fewer scratches that way. It seems > like the record-scuff problem came back with the computer-controlled vinyl > models of the 80's. > > The early 60's RO's (Tempo, Regis, etc) used a variation of this > setup,with wedge spacers in the record separators. > > Jim Alexander > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! > Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=HlQTejrXoJbrJS7rL8BitgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From dave.halford at telent.com Wed Nov 25 01:17:41 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Wed Nov 25 01:19:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub In-Reply-To: <20091124.181839.20431.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20091125091744.1ACBA20F009@blade202.lb.inty.net> My 443 had the 'rub' when I got it 5 years ago, some 10 minutes or so adjusting the basket stop point has seen the end of the 'rub' effect . Just remember that the adjustment is electrical and NOT MECHANICAL so there is no effect till you run the record cycle through. It's also a bit suck it and see so small variations only as it's quite disconcerting to see a record firmly returned to the middle of a seperator wire by the gripper. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From commerciale at baldi.it Wed Nov 25 01:21:29 2009 From: commerciale at baldi.it (BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti) Date: Wed Nov 25 02:04:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI STREAMLINER JUKEBOX Message-ID: <0911AEFDF3264F6B96209CDADF4E4FD2@PCStefano> Hi, a my friend are looking for a AMI STREAMLINER JUKEBOX service manual. Anyone can sell this manual ? please let me know. Many Thanks. Stefano From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Nov 25 02:07:14 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Wed Nov 25 02:09:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub In-Reply-To: <20091125091744.1ACBA20F009@blade202.lb.inty.net> References: <20091125091744.1ACBA20F009@blade202.lb.inty.net> Message-ID: <64037c53a48ac76b658d7b01433d02ad.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> I burnt a gripper motor out once when that happened. No problem with the gaps/dividers, or adjustment - it was a microswirch issue caused the mech to judder forward when the record was being returned. Machine and room smelt of the burning armature winding for months! > My 443 had the 'rub' when I got it 5 years ago, some 10 minutes or so > adjusting the basket stop point has seen the end of the 'rub' effect . > > Just remember that the adjustment is electrical and NOT MECHANICAL so > there > is no effect till you run the record cycle through. It's also a bit suck > it > and see so small variations only as it's quite disconcerting to see a > record firmly returned to the middle of a seperator wire by the gripper. > > > regards > > Dave H > > > > > This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any > attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If > you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this > e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender > immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and > delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or > opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may > not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot > be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be > intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or > contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any > errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a > result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus > transmitted by this email. > > > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - > www.maildefender.net > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed Nov 25 06:52:52 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Nov 25 06:54:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] hello guys In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jack, the group got your message! Just jump in anytime someone raises a question or concern. I just press "reply" to deal with the topic at hand. (or, you can always ask your own question if you need input) Jack, you have a great wealth of knowledge about jukes, and I know you'll be a valuable asset to this forum. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jack McGill Sent: 2009, November, 24 11:02 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] hello guys hope i am doing this right talked to mike dicceco awhile back about this i am very intrested in helping people with jukebox [parts and info alot of knowledge on seeburg coin op guys thx jack ! _________________________________________________________________ Ready. Set. Get a great deal on Windows 7. See fantastic deals on Windows 7 now http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691818_________________________________ ______________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From johntrav at windstream.net Wed Nov 25 06:44:40 2009 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Wed Nov 25 09:41:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub References: <20091124.181839.20431.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I agree with Nigel. My Rowe jukes scuff records. but the scuff marks don't seem to affect the playability. I had a JAN for 30 years with some records in it from day one that seemed to play just fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:56 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub > Hi James, > > One thing I will say is its extremely rare that the scuff marks ever > affect the sound. > > One thing you mention is bent separators. This is one thing an owner can > easily sort out, which will lessen the problem and make for a better > reliability. Care is needed though - only a month ago I bent a divider on > a Rowe Ami, and it snapped off! so care is needed. > > On the 1970s flat play Wurlitzers, there is no adjustment as the carousels > are plastic. These also scuff, but to a lesser degree. I found sometimes > the problem on these was plastic burrs which could be filed down quite > easily. > > I think the problem becomes more obvious when a previous owner has bent > the divides when really they should have adjusted the stopping position of > the mech instead. This can be a real pain. > > Sloppy gripper action can also aggrevate the issue no matter how uniform > the dividers are. I had to change the rear gripper cam on my Continental > years ago as it was sloppy on returning the records. The replacement one > made it perfect. > > Regards > > Nigel > > > >> >> Nigel: >> >> If you have a 45 RPM record collection that you value, you'll notice >> things like this. >> >> That's an interesting observation on this problem. By adjusting the >> basket centering stop point on the 60's Concerto's etc, is it not >> possible >> to "tune out" the record scuffing somehat? Recently I worked on a model >> 414 (Capri) for friend---I was able to center this 100-play mechanism to >> line up quite well. A number of the metal record separators were bent in >> one direction and had to be straightened out >> >> The 70's model 160 play machines (i.e. 442, 450,456 etc) all have a >> rounded teflon wedge mounted on the record spacers. If the basket slot >> isn't perfectly centered, records come in contact with the teflon before >> scraping on the steel separators. Fewer scratches that way. It seems >> like the record-scuff problem came back with the computer-controlled >> vinyl >> models of the 80's. >> >> The early 60's RO's (Tempo, Regis, etc) used a variation of this >> setup,with wedge spacers in the record separators. >> >> Jim Alexander >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! >> Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=HlQTejrXoJbrJS7rL8BitgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From pat2355 at aol.com Wed Nov 25 10:19:49 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 25 10:21:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub In-Reply-To: References: <20091124.181839.20431.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC3C13026AB612-2630-1E50B@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> What's kinda odd to me is record collectors typically don't buy used jukebox records. 1. Where's the future of their collecting, because almost all records have been jukebox records since 1990. 2. Lots of operators are selling their inventory or records now to concentrate on downloaded music.(really turned the job of keeping music fresh into a different animal.) Since those operators are dumping the records the quantity and costs are favorable. 3. A well adjusted jukebox is pretty EZ on its records because there's no handling by human hands except for first and last in & out. My Rock-olas main record problem is keeping them rotated to avoid edge rolling due to unplayed records sliding along the sheet metal carousel bottoms. Always thought the Rowe/Tempo style belt should have continued to be used, but it's also pretty EZ to rotate records by hand. It must be the holiday season that's been keeping anybody from going DARK SIDE on the term Rock-ola rub. This is a pretty sweet group. Bless you all! EX-Postamn PAT -----Original Message----- From: John Travelletti To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 6:44 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub I agree with Nigel. My Rowe jukes scuff records. but the scuff marks don't seem to affect the playability. I had a JAN for 30 years with some records in it from day one that seemed to play just fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:56 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub > Hi James, > > One thing I will say is its extremely rare that the scuff marks ever > affect the sound. > > One thing you mention is bent separators. This is one thing an owner can > easily sort out, which will lessen the problem and make for a better > reliability. Care is needed though - only a month ago I bent a divider on > a Rowe Ami, and it snapped off! so care is needed. > > On the 1970s flat play Wurlitzers, there is no adjustment as the carousels > are plastic. These also scuff, but to a lesser degree. I found sometimes > the problem on these was plastic burrs which could be filed down quite > easily. > > I think the problem becomes more obvious when a previous owner has bent > the divides when really they should have adjusted the stopping position of > the mech instead. This can be a real pain. > > Sloppy gripper action can also aggrevate the issue no matter how uniform > the dividers are. I had to change the rear gripper cam on my Continental > years ago as it was sloppy on returning the records. The replacement one > made it perfect. > > Regards > > Nigel > > > >> >> Nigel: >> >> If you have a 45 RPM record collection that you value, you'll notice >> things like this. >> >> That's an interesting observation on this problem. By adjusting the >> basket centering stop point on the 60's Concerto's etc, is it not >> possible >> to "tune out" the record scuffing somehat? Recently I worked on a model >> 414 (Capri) for friend---I was able to center this 100-play mechanism to >> line up quite well. A number of the metal record separators were bent in >> one direction and had to be straightened out >> >> The 70's model 160 play machines (i.e. 442, 450,456 etc) all have a >> rounded teflon wedge mounted on the record spacers. If the basket slot >> isn't perfectly centered, records come in contact with the teflon before >> scraping on the steel separators. Fewer scratches that way. It seems >> like the record-scuff problem came back with the computer-controlled >> vinyl >> models of the 80's. >> >> The early 60's RO's (Tempo, Regis, etc) used a variation of this >> setup,with wedge spacers in the record separators. >> >> Jim Alexander >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! >> Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=HlQTejrXoJbrJS7rL8BitgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Nov 25 10:44:43 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Wed Nov 25 10:46:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub In-Reply-To: References: <20091124.181839.20431.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000301ca6dff$5a80f7d0$0f82e770$@force9.co.uk> Well I changed all the records last week on my JBM Tropicana. Some have been in since 1987 when I first restored it. Played a few on a normal turntable and they sounded excellent. I was impressed, since it is daily used. They looked pretty grubby with a dull sheen and the scuffs, but played absolutely fine. In my years as a record collector, although jukebox records look untidy, I actually find they are less worn than a record that looks ok but has been used in someone's house on a domestic record player - and probably had a fraction of the plays of the jukebox record. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Travelletti Sent: 25 November 2009 14:45 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub I agree with Nigel. My Rowe jukes scuff records. but the scuff marks don't seem to affect the playability. I had a JAN for 30 years with some records in it from day one that seemed to play just fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:56 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub > Hi James, > > One thing I will say is its extremely rare that the scuff marks ever > affect the sound. > > One thing you mention is bent separators. This is one thing an owner can > easily sort out, which will lessen the problem and make for a better > reliability. Care is needed though - only a month ago I bent a divider on > a Rowe Ami, and it snapped off! so care is needed. > > On the 1970s flat play Wurlitzers, there is no adjustment as the carousels > are plastic. These also scuff, but to a lesser degree. I found sometimes > the problem on these was plastic burrs which could be filed down quite > easily. > > I think the problem becomes more obvious when a previous owner has bent > the divides when really they should have adjusted the stopping position of > the mech instead. This can be a real pain. > > Sloppy gripper action can also aggrevate the issue no matter how uniform > the dividers are. I had to change the rear gripper cam on my Continental > years ago as it was sloppy on returning the records. The replacement one > made it perfect. > > Regards > > Nigel > > > >> >> Nigel: >> >> If you have a 45 RPM record collection that you value, you'll notice >> things like this. >> >> That's an interesting observation on this problem. By adjusting the >> basket centering stop point on the 60's Concerto's etc, is it not >> possible >> to "tune out" the record scuffing somehat? Recently I worked on a model >> 414 (Capri) for friend---I was able to center this 100-play mechanism to >> line up quite well. A number of the metal record separators were bent in >> one direction and had to be straightened out >> >> The 70's model 160 play machines (i.e. 442, 450,456 etc) all have a >> rounded teflon wedge mounted on the record spacers. If the basket slot >> isn't perfectly centered, records come in contact with the teflon before >> scraping on the steel separators. Fewer scratches that way. It seems >> like the record-scuff problem came back with the computer-controlled >> vinyl >> models of the 80's. >> >> The early 60's RO's (Tempo, Regis, etc) used a variation of this >> setup,with wedge spacers in the record separators. >> >> Jim Alexander >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! >> Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=HlQTejrXoJbrJS7rL8BitgAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHR wOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From bobe at halted.com Wed Nov 25 12:24:34 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Wed Nov 25 12:43:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? Message-ID: <2.2.32.20091125202434.00992f18@hsces.com> At 08:02 PM 11/24/2009 -0500, you wrote: > >I am going to get an analog meter and check the microswitch in question. As James stated in some earlier posts, I too would really like to see a step by step how-to on selector refurbishing. It does seem like Rockola could have done a more complete job in documenting its repair procedures. > Rockola never intended for those assemblies to be refurbished. If they lasted 10 years, then they had outlasted the expected service life of the machine! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From pinball at telus.net Wed Nov 25 13:08:43 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Nov 25 13:10:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? In-Reply-To: <20091124.214956.7350.0@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091124.214956.7350.0@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4B0D9CDB.9040803@telus.net> James Alexander wrote: > Mr Berger: > > Congratulations on buying your first juke and welcome to the list. From your descriptions I take it that some functions of your machine are somehat working,hanging on by a thread, and that the machine is pretty much in a well preserved original condition. > I'm giving you a progression of how I'd tackle the general work to renovate your machine. You can progress through most of the work at your chosen pace. > > 1. Check the value of ALL fuses in all chassis. It's a common occurrence for high-value fuses to be installed, if a fuse blows when the right one isn't handy. A short circuit or mechanical jam in your machine can damage/fry expensive hard to find parts if a circuit is overfused. > > 2. If flourescent lamps are blinking or not working. Replace the lamps and starters. Defective lamps can overeheat/burnout light ballasts. Identify and replace any rotted disintegrating 110 volt wiring. > > 3. Get a service manual, in case you havern't already. > > 4. clean/oil record changer per the manual--make note of marginal/missing/broken parts. This should include disassembly and cleaning of the record basket and gripper arm motors. > > 5. If you intend to use the machine at this stage of the game, update the original mono cartridge with a ceramic stereo cartridge, wired mono. This way you can safely track both stereo and mono records without damaging them. Although there are several choices available, a good cartridge fit for this machine is the Pfanstiehl P-132D model. A $20 cartridge furnished with new double .7 mil stylii. > > 6. Rebuild original electronics The RO power supply chassis and amplifier units usually need to be rebuilt. This will usually yield a big improvement in sound quality. Verify the condition of the speaker system. > > 7. Trace through switching, selection-registration electronics, credit unit etc for correct operation. This analog machine uses a lot of series-parallel switching circuits. Verify all else first, then if needed, remove and refresh pinbank, then reinstall. > > I'm not addressing any cabinet, trim,glasswork appearance items etc that you may want to work on. > > To address your particular concerns, per your earlier emails: > > RE: service manuals----No,in my opinion, RO didn't put a lot of illustrative effort into their manuals,but the basics are there.--- On the other hand who'd believe that we'd be attempting to maintain the life of an electro-mechanical unit 55 years later? > On the RO front door, linked to the revolving title drum--there is a switch assembly there that acts as a number multiplier. On some RockOlas, these are microswitches, on others they are open-contact leaf switches.The microswitch you've encountered in your last letter may be an interlock that stops the selector drum from turning when the front door panel is open. > If you need them there are tech services that can reflock your "fuzz-covered" turntable,rebuild amps, and rebuild damaged/worn turntable idler wheels. > If I find out anymore helpful info regarding the rebuilding of selection pinbanks, I'll let you know. > > Two resources you should know: Victory Glass in Iowa (web: www.victoryglass.com) is a specialty parts house catering to the jukebox hobby. Victory bought out the remaining vinyl phono parts inventory from RockOla when the RockOla family sold the business in the mid 90's. There are 15 screens listings worth of original juke parts from the 50's thru the 80's. > > John Durfee Coinop in Orange MA (web:wwwjukeboxparts.com) has one of the biggest jukebox parts salvage operations in the country. If you need to find an original old part, he's probably got it. At a sister website (web: www.needles4jukeboxes.com) he sells needles, phono cartridges, jukebox keys, etc. that you might need. > > Hope this helps you with your project: > Wishing you and your family a happy Thanksgiving > > Jim Alexander > Adding to Jim's comprehensive list I would add that ALL microswitches need to be tested with an ohm-meter and any that are not under 1 ohm on either set used needs to be replaced. I would also replace the large capacitor in the credit unit - it is the timing capacitor for the Write-In and by this time it is marginal at best! I have a page on the breakdown of the gripper assembly - we take them apart and clean with solvent then oil and reassemble as part of the repair/restoration process. http://www.flippers.com/Rockola-tips.html Note the 1940/50s AMI assembly is close enough that this Rock-Ola page will help with their gripper bow assembly. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 25 14:44:46 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Nov 25 14:46:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] hello guys Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:02:24 +0000 From: Jack McGill Subject: [Jukebox-list] hello guys To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hope i am doing this right talked to mike dicceco awhile back about this i am very intrested in helping people with jukebox [parts and info alot of knowledge on seeburg coin op guys thx jack ! Hey Jack welcome to the list. Always good to have another Seebooger expert on hand. Nice bunch of folks on here. BY the way that TSR-1 that I got from you is working great. Regards, Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Wed Nov 25 15:08:47 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Wed Nov 25 15:18:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 201 sound In-Reply-To: <20091122.015428.19329.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091122.015428.19329.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4B0DB8FF.9030905@sparksandarcs.net> I can confirm this as an accused "audio snob" with very touchy hearing. Most audio systems sound too screechy to my ears unless they come from super-high end drivers or electrostatics. My ears seem to have a preference for Paradigm speakers or vintage JBL (like my rebuilt L26 Decades). Klipsch and Bose come across as fingernails on a chalkboard. It's a curse, really, but makes for easy debugging of car mechanicals LOL! My 161 (the 160-select version of the 201) with a 345-03D is nothing short of stunning with the addition of a modern tweeter (Infinity silk dome kidney-shaped surplus from Tanner's electronics is what I'm using). It's hidden in the horizontal grille above the "tail fins" with a foam "pad" holding it steady and can be removed at any time without affecting the juke in any way. That amplifier will shake the walls and still reveal every detail in modern, recent pressings. Sounds MUCH better than my SMC-2, and I can't quite figure out why, even with all new modern matched drivers, fully combed-through amp, and newly rebuilt tonearm mech in the SMC-2! Be warned though that 345-03D's have been out of production for about 10 years (word has it the tooling just plain wore out!), so expect to pay somewhere around $300 for one on eBay. I'd say it's worth it. You won't be disappointed with the 201. James Alexander wrote: > The 1958 Seeburg 201 is a 200-play 45 RPM jukebox using a tormat-based selection system. The electtronics are vacuum tube based, having a 25 watt mono amplifier. When working correctly, sound quality is very good, even judged by today's standards. > > If you intend to play later-edition stereo records on your 201, it is important that you change the original mono cartridge to one of the stereo compatible models to maintain the sound quality. The Pickering issued # 345-03D, made in the late 80's is considered the best of the aftermarket cartridges. Vern Tisdale is distributing a technically similar model. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Doctorate Degrees Online > Boost your career with an online doctoral degree. Enroll today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=EBlib1EiW5PA8yOPmiIOMwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAALsMoz4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAyOQAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > From maddleso at gmu.edu Wed Nov 25 21:02:04 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Wed Nov 25 21:03:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ceramic versus magnetic cartridge in Seeburgs In-Reply-To: <20091124200003.1BAC8AAF2B@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20091124200003.1BAC8AAF2B@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <4391A36420114FBC93B9249A8399E301@Marksvaio> I've been experimenting with a 'cheap' Varco ceramic cartridge in my 'R'. I was unhappy with the sound and thought it might have to do with the cartridge - a redhead. The difference all round is very significant. I was expecting more gain but to my tin ear the sound seems livelier. I'm sure there is much more variation in both the bass and treble (these controls really work beautifully). I had the AVC all the way 'off' before to get any volume, now it works. Lastly, with the redhead, there was a loud pop at the end of the record as it cut off. To my surprise that has disappeared. It's now a click. I'd like to hear the experts' views. A failing redhead? (Sound on both pickups seemed to be about the same). Or are redheads just not very good cartridges? I know lots of people rave about Pickerings and should do at the prices they're fetching. I don't have any other basis for comparison. Although I recapped the amp and believe I did that well, I'm no expert on electronics and it's possible that other factors have contributed to the poor sound with the old cartridge. For anyone who is interested, I've posted some pictures of the newly restored 'R' - complete and nearly complete - on the Seeburg site. I want to thank Ron, Jay, and others for your encouragement from the beginning and your invaluable help along the way. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seeburgjukeboxinformationclub/photos/album/502 671540/pic/list Mark From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Nov 26 00:53:41 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Nov 26 00:56:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ceramic versus magnetic cartridge in Seeburgs Message-ID: <20091126.035341.24995.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Hello Mark: A quick bit of history: The Seeburg redhead was the original issue magnetic element cartridge used on the HF100R jukebox. When coupled with a properly working amplifier, it had plenty of volume headroom and good audio fidelity. The stylii originally issued for the mono cartridge were 1 mil tip with a straight shaft, used when mono 45 RPM records were the standard. In the early 60's stereo 7" records became popular. Seeburg introduced their stereo model jukes beginning in 1959. On juke routes there were still many of the mono-era Seeburg models in use. The redhead cartridge/stylus had difficulty tracking stereo records, and damaged them. A number of after-market "fixes" by other manufacturers were introduced. Some worked better than others. Seeburg's official approach was to introduce the .7 mil stylus with the 90 degree bent shaft. This allowed redheads to track stereo records. 2 or 3 makers built a package modifyng stereo "flipover" ceramic-element cartridges,intended for use in portable phonographs, to fit the Seeburg mono tone arms. These all have .7 mil needle sizes. The ceramic cartridges have a much higher output level than the magnetic types did. 1 of the makers, "Thorpe" ,built a matching network into the base of their ceramic conversion cartridge so that it's output and impedance loading were a reasonable match to the magnetic amp input. The other makers (yours included) provided no matching. The high output of the ceramic cartridge tends to overload the 1st preamp stage of your amplifier, and "swamps" the AVC circuit due to the excess level. Differences in cartridges The ceramic cartridge prefers to work into a fairly high input impednce at the amplifier. The Seeburg input is terminated with a 47K ohm resistor, the standard for a magnetic cartridge. This low impedance will tend to make the Vaco carridge sound thin and tinny. You can get better sound quality with the Vaco cartridge if you modified the input stage (needs 3 resistors) to pad down the "hot" input and raise the impedance of the 5879 tube stage. In general the magnetic cartridges are regarded as having more accurate sound quality than the ceramic ones.This needs to be your judgment call. There are many Seeburg 100 juke models out there equipped with these old conversion cartridge models. If you are experiencing switching clicks, pops and AVC problems with your redhead in place, the conclusion I come to is that you have signal problems with your amp that need to be fixed. Using the Vaco cartridge seems to fix the electronic problems because the cartridges' extra-high output allows you turn the amp volume way down, which masks the other trouble symptoms. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top Online Master Degrees Connect to online Master degrees from leading universities. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=pds3Y-k5bVWmbvMZMQ0digAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPLSTT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQRgAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Nov 26 01:04:30 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Nov 26 01:07:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 201 sound Message-ID: <20091126.040430.24995.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Once again, look at the Vern Tisdale cartridge. This unit is in current manufacture, and is based upon the Pickering NP-AC cartridge, which is electrically the same as the 343-05 discontinued stereo conversion cartridge.The Tisdale cartridge is also weighted properly, which the 343-05 was not. It was usually necessary to make some tone arm modifications to make these track correctly. The Tisdale cartridge is a way to do a quality stereo conversion for your mono juke without breaking the bank. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=GxGMthH49DK3y-W_ssiVSgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Thu Nov 26 02:14:30 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Thu Nov 26 02:16:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ceramic versus magnetic cartridge in Seeburgs In-Reply-To: <20091126.035341.24995.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091126.035341.24995.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Would it be that at some time way back, your amp, or wiring to the amp has been modified (resistors added) to take a ceramic cartridge, hence the redhead magnetic being quiet, and the new ceramic being fine ? Otherwise, your redhead would have had ample volume, and the new ceramic causing a lot of distortion ? Ive had a few Continentals etc that have actually had resistors under the tonearm and fitted with a ceramic cartridge. Maybe that is a thought you could investigate ? If you rebuilt your amp you probably replaced the components like for like, but were there any mods in there that did not comply with the schematic ? Nigel, UK > > > Hello Mark: > > A quick bit of history: > > The Seeburg redhead was the original issue magnetic element cartridge used > on the HF100R jukebox. When coupled with a properly working amplifier, it > had plenty of volume headroom and good audio fidelity. The stylii > originally issued for the mono cartridge were 1 mil tip with a straight > shaft, used when mono 45 RPM records were the standard. > > In the early 60's stereo 7" records became popular. Seeburg introduced > their stereo model jukes beginning in 1959. On juke routes there were > still many of the mono-era Seeburg models in use. The redhead > cartridge/stylus had difficulty tracking stereo records, and damaged them. > A number of after-market "fixes" by other manufacturers were introduced. > Some worked better than others. Seeburg's official approach was to > introduce the .7 mil stylus with the 90 degree bent shaft. This allowed > redheads to track stereo records. > 2 or 3 makers built a package modifyng stereo "flipover" ceramic-element > cartridges,intended for use in portable phonographs, to fit the Seeburg > mono tone arms. These all have .7 mil needle sizes. The ceramic cartridges > have a much higher output level than the magnetic types did. > 1 of the makers, "Thorpe" ,built a matching network into the base of their > ceramic conversion cartridge so that it's output and impedance loading > were a reasonable match to the magnetic amp input. > The other makers (yours included) provided no matching. The high output > of the ceramic cartridge tends to overload the 1st preamp stage of your > amplifier, and "swamps" the AVC circuit due to the excess level. > > Differences in cartridges > > The ceramic cartridge prefers to work into a fairly high input impednce at > the amplifier. The Seeburg input is terminated with a 47K ohm resistor, > the standard for a magnetic cartridge. This low impedance will tend to > make the Vaco carridge sound thin and tinny. You can get better sound > quality with the Vaco cartridge if you modified the input stage (needs 3 > resistors) to pad down the "hot" input and raise the impedance of the 5879 > tube stage. > > In general the magnetic cartridges are regarded as having more accurate > sound quality than the ceramic ones.This needs to be your judgment call. > There are many Seeburg 100 juke models out there equipped with these old > conversion cartridge models. > > If you are experiencing switching clicks, pops and AVC problems with your > redhead in place, the conclusion I come to is that you have signal > problems with your amp that need to be fixed. Using the Vaco cartridge > seems to fix the electronic problems because the cartridges' extra-high > output allows you turn the amp volume way down, which masks the other > trouble symptoms. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Top Online Master Degrees > Connect to online Master degrees from leading universities. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=pds3Y-k5bVWmbvMZMQ0digAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPLSTT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQRgAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Nov 26 06:57:49 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Nov 26 06:59:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ceramic versus magnetic cartridge in Seeburgs In-Reply-To: <20091126.035341.24995.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091126.035341.24995.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: James, Thanks for your thorough reply to the group. This got me thinking about a question that you may be able to answer. I have a Seeburg DS160, with the original cartridge (using the T needles that are no longer made and cost dearly). Is it possible to substitute one of the later Seeburg cartriges in place of this original one? Would modifications have to be performed in order to get the pins to line up? If a modification is possible, what newer cartridge would you recommend? Thanks in advance, Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, November, 26 3:54 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ceramic versus magnetic cartridge in Seeburgs Hello Mark: A quick bit of history: The Seeburg redhead was the original issue magnetic element cartridge used on the HF100R jukebox. When coupled with a properly working amplifier, it had plenty of volume headroom and good audio fidelity. The stylii originally issued for the mono cartridge were 1 mil tip with a straight shaft, used when mono 45 RPM records were the standard. In the early 60's stereo 7" records became popular. Seeburg introduced their stereo model jukes beginning in 1959. On juke routes there were still many of the mono-era Seeburg models in use. The redhead cartridge/stylus had difficulty tracking stereo records, and damaged them. A number of after-market "fixes" by other manufacturers were introduced. Some worked better than others. Seeburg's official approach was to introduce the .7 mil stylus with the 90 degree bent shaft. This allowed redheads to track stereo records. 2 or 3 makers built a package modifyng stereo "flipover" ceramic-element cartridges,intended for use in portable phonographs, to fit the Seeburg mono tone arms. These all have .7 mil needle sizes. The ceramic cartridges have a much higher output level than the magnetic types did. 1 of the makers, "Thorpe" ,built a matching network into the base of their ceramic conversion cartridge so that it's output and impedance loading were a reasonable match to the magnetic amp input. The other makers (yours included) provided no matching. The high output of the ceramic cartridge tends to overload the 1st preamp stage of your amplifier, and "swamps" the AVC circuit due to the excess level. Differences in cartridges The ceramic cartridge prefers to work into a fairly high input impednce at the amplifier. The Seeburg input is terminated with a 47K ohm resistor, the standard for a magnetic cartridge. This low impedance will tend to make the Vaco carridge sound thin and tinny. You can get better sound quality with the Vaco cartridge if you modified the input stage (needs 3 resistors) to pad down the "hot" input and raise the impedance of the 5879 tube stage. In general the magnetic cartridges are regarded as having more accurate sound quality than the ceramic ones.This needs to be your judgment call. There are many Seeburg 100 juke models out there equipped with these old conversion cartridge models. If you are experiencing switching clicks, pops and AVC problems with your redhead in place, the conclusion I come to is that you have signal problems with your amp that need to be fixed. Using the Vaco cartridge seems to fix the electronic problems because the cartridges' extra-high output allows you turn the amp volume way down, which masks the other trouble symptoms. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top Online Master Degrees Connect to online Master degrees from leading universities. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=pds3Y-k5bVWmbvMZMQ0digA AJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPLSTT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQRgA AAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Nov 26 07:06:58 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Nov 26 07:06:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ceramic versus magnetic cartridge in Seeburgs In-Reply-To: <4391A36420114FBC93B9249A8399E301@Marksvaio> References: <20091124200003.1BAC8AAF2B@lists.netlojix.com> <4391A36420114FBC93B9249A8399E301@Marksvaio> Message-ID: Mark, My Seeburg G originally came with one of these red Varco cartridges, that use the "fork" type needles. I had the same tinny sound you refer to (I guess for the reasons that James has explained) What also bothered me about this cartridge was how rough it was on the records. The needles have very little compliance and require heavy tracking forces. (8-10 grams). It has great difficulty playing stereo recordings. It is not a cartridge that you'd want to use on any valuable records, as it will ruin them. I got rid of my Varco years ago for that reason. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mark Addleson Sent: 2009, November, 26 12:02 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ceramic versus magnetic cartridge in Seeburgs I've been experimenting with a 'cheap' Varco ceramic cartridge in my 'R'. I was unhappy with the sound and thought it might have to do with the cartridge - a redhead. The difference all round is very significant. I was expecting more gain but to my tin ear the sound seems livelier. I'm sure there is much more variation in both the bass and treble (these controls really work beautifully). I had the AVC all the way 'off' before to get any volume, now it works. Lastly, with the redhead, there was a loud pop at the end of the record as it cut off. To my surprise that has disappeared. It's now a click. I'd like to hear the experts' views. A failing redhead? (Sound on both pickups seemed to be about the same). Or are redheads just not very good cartridges? I know lots of people rave about Pickerings and should do at the prices they're fetching. I don't have any other basis for comparison. Although I recapped the amp and believe I did that well, I'm no expert on electronics and it's possible that other factors have contributed to the poor sound with the old cartridge. For anyone who is interested, I've posted some pictures of the newly restored 'R' - complete and nearly complete - on the Seeburg site. I want to thank Ron, Jay, and others for your encouragement from the beginning and your invaluable help along the way. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seeburgjukeboxinformationclub/photos/album /502 671540/pic/list Mark _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From rellis2007 at aol.com Thu Nov 26 07:06:15 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 26 07:14:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20091125202434.00992f18@hsces.com> References: <2.2.32.20091125202434.00992f18@hsces.com> Message-ID: <8CC3CC1221C7409-76C8-61F2@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Rock-Ola selector Referbishing, It seems as no one is offering this service, that being the case, I will offer this service, but You must call frist. doc ellis 850-814-1162 zip code is 32438 so You can check shipping. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Ellingson To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 2:24 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rockola 1454 Selector problem or not? At 08:02 PM 11/24/2009 -0500, you wrote: > I am going to get an analog meter and check the microswitch in question. As ames stated in some earlier posts, I too would really like to see a step by tep how-to on selector refurbishing. It does seem like Rockola could have one a more complete job in documenting its repair procedures. Rockola never intended for those assemblies to be refurbished. If they asted 10 years, then they had outlasted the expected service life of the achine! --Bob ====================================================================== ob Ellingson bobe@halted.com alted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 anta Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 26 08:39:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 26 08:41:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ceramic versus magnetic cartridge in Seeburgs In-Reply-To: <20091126.035341.24995.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <793767.49643.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Seeburg had no "official approach" to this problem--they just ignored it !? An aftermarket needle producer came up with the .7 / 90 needle.? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/26/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ceramic versus magnetic cartridge in Seeburgs To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 12:53 AM Hello Mark: A quick bit of history: The Seeburg redhead was the original issue magnetic element cartridge used on the HF100R jukebox.? When coupled with a properly working amplifier, it had plenty of volume headroom and good audio fidelity.???The stylii originally issued for the mono cartridge were 1 mil tip with a straight shaft, used when mono 45 RPM records were the standard.? In the early 60's stereo 7" records became popular.? Seeburg introduced their stereo model jukes beginning in 1959. On juke routes there were still many of the mono-era Seeburg models in use.???The redhead cartridge/stylus had difficulty tracking stereo records, and damaged them.? A number of after-market "fixes" by other manufacturers were introduced. Some worked better than others.???Seeburg's official approach was to introduce the .7 mil stylus with the 90 degree bent shaft.? This allowed redheads to track stereo records. 2 or 3 makers built a package modifyng stereo "flipover" ceramic-element cartridges,intended for use in portable phonographs, to fit the Seeburg mono tone arms. These all have .7 mil needle sizes. The ceramic cartridges have a much higher output level than the magnetic types did. 1 of the makers, "Thorpe" ,built a matching network into the base of their ceramic conversion cartridge so that it's output and impedance loading were a reasonable match to the magnetic amp input. The other makers (yours included) provided no matching.???The high output of the ceramic cartridge tends to overload the 1st preamp stage of your amplifier, and "swamps" the AVC circuit due to the excess level. Differences in cartridges The ceramic cartridge prefers to work into a fairly high input impednce at the amplifier. The Seeburg input is terminated with a 47K ohm resistor, the standard for a magnetic cartridge.???This low impedance will tend to make the Vaco carridge sound thin and tinny. You can get better sound quality with the Vaco cartridge if you modified the input stage (needs 3 resistors) to pad down the "hot" input and raise the impedance of the 5879 tube stage. In general the magnetic cartridges are regarded as having more accurate sound quality than the ceramic ones.This needs to be your judgment call. There are many Seeburg 100 juke models out there equipped with these old conversion cartridge models.? If you are experiencing switching clicks, pops and AVC problems with your redhead in place, the conclusion I come to is that you have signal problems with your amp that need to be fixed.? ? Using the Vaco cartridge seems to fix the electronic problems? because the cartridges' extra-high output allows you turn the amp volume way down, which masks the other trouble symptoms.? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top Online Master Degrees Connect to online Master degrees from leading universities. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=pds3Y-k5bVWmbvMZMQ0digAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAPLSTT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQRgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Thu Nov 26 08:45:34 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Thu Nov 26 08:47:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub References: <95162.46309.qm@web51909.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Something lacking from this discussion is the electrical system itself. The contact block (or "carriage" as Rockola calls it) adjustment is indeed critical, but there are many other things you can do to minimize scuffing. It all comes down to stopping the basket quickly and consistently. The pinbank itself should be cleaned. Poor grounding caused by dirty segments inside the pinbank, as well as rusty tips of the pins will result in sluggish response of the interlock trip relay. The contact block should be removed, and the plungers cleaned. The track in the pinbank where the contact block rides tends to get oily (gummy), causing the contact block to drag. The reversing switches should be cleaned. The contacts on the trip relay should be cleaned. The motor plug and socket should be cleaned. The power supply should be rebuilt to insure a quick response of the trip relay. Finally, the motor itself should be examined - improper meshing of gears (both inside the motor and where the motor and basket meet), as well as the condition of the brushes and armature will affect the stopping of the basket. It's a lot of work, but worth the effort. By the way, has anyone seen the United method? A plunger locks into holes in the record basket, ensuring positive location everytime with no adjustment required. Very simple and foolproof. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alphonse Alphonse" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub Hi all, I have a 1436A, Rockola Fireball 120 from 1953 and can attest that eliminating the record scuff is an in-exact science. You can get it really close but I'm not sure you can ever eliminate it. It is covered in the manual and if you follow the instructions exactly and are patient, you can do it. One problem I ran into was the record basket is attached to a shaft and held in place with a square head 1/4 inch bolt. Make sure this bolt is tight. If it's even a little bit loose, the basket will slip slightly on the shaft when it reverses and you will never get the adjustment right. Check it periodically as it can loosen up over time. This drove me a little crazy for a few hours when I was adjusting mine. Once I tightened it up everything went well. Good luck al --- On Tue, 11/24/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rub To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 6:18 PM Nigel: If you have a 45 RPM record collection that you value, you'll notice things like this. That's an interesting observation on this problem. By adjusting the basket centering stop point on the 60's Concerto's etc, is it not possible to "tune out" the record scuffing somehat? Recently I worked on a model 414 (Capri) for friend---I was able to center this 100-play mechanism to line up quite well. A number of the metal record separators were bent in one direction and had to be straightened out The 70's model 160 play machines (i.e. 442, 450,456 etc) all have a rounded teflon wedge mounted on the record spacers. If the basket slot isn't perfectly centered, records come in contact with the teflon before scraping on the steel separators. Fewer scratches that way. It seems like the record-scuff problem came back with the computer-controlled vinyl models of the 80's. The early 60's RO's (Tempo, Regis, etc) used a variation of this setup,with wedge spacers in the record separators. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.83/2528 - Release Date: 11/26/09 04:10:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 26 09:15:59 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 26 09:17:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ceramic versus magnetic cartridge in Seeburgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <301151.42975.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Michael, Yes it's possible--the EZist way is to change the whole pick-up arm cradle assembly from a newer, "donor" mech.? Changing it any other way can be done, but it is a ROYAL PIA-- One thing you must realize tho--the suspecsion f the whole mechanism was modified to use the newer, lighter pressure needles ("Yellow/Violet") on the 160 mechs. If you can find a donor cradle from a newer 100 mech, it was designed to use the "stiffer" green/tan needles ( which are also "impossible"? to locate today) Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/26/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Ceramic versus magnetic cartridge in Seeburgs To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 6:57 AM James, Thanks for your thorough reply to the group. This got me thinking about a question that you may be able to answer. I have a Seeburg DS160, with the original cartridge (using the T needles that are no longer made and cost dearly). Is it possible to substitute one of the later Seeburg cartriges in place of this original one? Would modifications have to be performed in order to get the pins to line up? If a modification is possible, what newer cartridge would you recommend? Thanks in advance, Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, November, 26 3:54 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ceramic versus magnetic cartridge in Seeburgs Hello Mark: A quick bit of history: The Seeburg redhead was the original issue magnetic element cartridge used on the HF100R jukebox.? When coupled with a properly working amplifier, it had plenty of volume headroom and good audio fidelity. The stylii originally issued for the mono cartridge were 1 mil tip with a straight shaft, used when mono 45 RPM records were the standard.? In the early 60's stereo 7" records became popular.? Seeburg introduced their stereo model jukes beginning in 1959. On juke routes there were still many of the mono-era Seeburg models in use.???The redhead cartridge/stylus had difficulty tracking stereo records, and damaged them.? A number of after-market "fixes" by other manufacturers were introduced. Some worked better than others.???Seeburg's official approach was to introduce the .7 mil stylus with the 90 degree bent shaft.? This allowed redheads to track stereo records. 2 or 3 makers built a package modifyng stereo "flipover" ceramic-element cartridges,intended for use in portable phonographs, to fit the Seeburg mono tone arms. These all have .7 mil needle sizes. The ceramic cartridges have a much higher output level than the magnetic types did. 1 of the makers, "Thorpe" ,built a matching network into the base of their ceramic conversion cartridge so that it's output and impedance loading were a reasonable match to the magnetic amp input. The other makers (yours included) provided no matching.???The high output of the ceramic cartridge tends to overload the 1st preamp stage of your amplifier, and "swamps" the AVC circuit due to the excess level. Differences in cartridges The ceramic cartridge prefers to work into a fairly high input impednce at the amplifier. The Seeburg input is terminated with a 47K ohm resistor, the standard for a magnetic cartridge.???This low impedance will tend to make the Vaco carridge sound thin and tinny. You can get better sound quality with the Vaco cartridge if you modified the input stage (needs 3 resistors) to pad down the "hot" input and raise the impedance of the 5879 tube stage. In general the magnetic cartridges are regarded as having more accurate sound quality than the ceramic ones.This needs to be your judgment call. There are many Seeburg 100 juke models out there equipped with these old conversion cartridge models.?