From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sun May 3 22:33:05 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sun May 3 22:34:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg R Message-ID: <95F202801CF7438C805B46E67D8C19B1@Graeme> The motor on my Seeburg R leaks oil. As fast as I fill it. It leaks out the bottom. Do I need to look for another motor or are there seals available. I am using the correct oil. Also I have not received any posts from the list for the last 3 days. Is it that quite ? Graeme Harvey From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon May 4 07:34:23 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon May 4 07:36:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg R Message-ID: <945116.32036.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Graeme, Quit putting so much in--All kidding aside--what brand motor ? Did you take it out and see if just the oil filler cup has dis-connected ?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Graeme Harvey wrote: From: Graeme Harvey Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg R To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 10:33 PM The motor on my Seeburg R leaks oil.???As fast as I fill it.? ? It leaks out the bottom. Do I need to look for another motor or are there seals available.??? I am using the correct oil. Also I have not received any posts from the list for the last 3 days.???Is it that quite ? Graeme Harvey _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon May 4 13:38:58 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Mon May 4 13:41:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 credit mech Message-ID: <004101c9ccf8$5a2db370$0e891a50$@net> I am assuming on my G200, without a credit accumulator, the method of adjusting number of credits per coin, is to move the magnets, in the credit mech, that pop the credit pins. There seem to be a couple extra locations that one could be located that will activate a pin "deeper", for lack of a better word, on the credit wheel, allowing for more credits per coin. Any opinions? Thanks Rich From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon May 4 19:09:30 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon May 4 19:11:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 credit mech Message-ID: <778760.78711.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > I am assuming on my G200, > without a credit accumulator, the method of > adjusting number of credits per coin, is to move the > magnets, in the credit > mech, that pop the credit pins. There seem to be a > couple extra locations > that one could be located that will activate a pin > "deeper", for lack of a > better word, on the credit wheel, allowing for more credits > per coin. That's right. From ccos at knology.net Tue May 5 06:44:24 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Columbus Coin-Op Shop) Date: Tue May 5 06:46:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe CMM1 Volume Pot Value Message-ID: <002401c9cd87$99e74780$cdb5d680$@net> Does anyone know offhand, or have a manual to look up the value of the volume control pots on this jukebox? TIA Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 From pinball at telus.net Tue May 5 08:05:12 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue May 5 08:06:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe CMM1 Volume Pot Value In-Reply-To: <002401c9cd87$99e74780$cdb5d680$@net> References: <002401c9cd87$99e74780$cdb5d680$@net> Message-ID: <4A0055A8.3080805@telus.net> Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: > Does anyone know offhand, or have a manual to look up the value of the > volume control pots on this jukebox? TIA > > > > > > > > Karl > > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > > www.columbuscoinopshop.com > > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd > > Columbus, GA 31903 > > Shop: 706-507-2963 > > Cell: 706-442-4263 > > 10K was the commonly used pot for the voltage controlled amplifiers. These only have two wires going to the pot. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From paddymurphy2 at ukonline.co.uk Mon May 4 13:09:14 2009 From: paddymurphy2 at ukonline.co.uk (paddy murphy) Date: Tue May 5 08:13:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Distributor Message-ID: Hi, Please note that "wurlitzer.co.uk" (Jukeboxes Direct Ltd) are official wurlitzer dealers. P Murphy. From pinball at telus.net Tue May 5 10:10:28 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue May 5 10:12:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Distributor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A007304.2090107@telus.net> Bowman, Paul API Nashville TN wrote: > > I have a wurlitzer juke box model 555 about a 1970 model with 45 style > records. I need the two o rings drive that makes the record spin to play > also > the the swith on the left side that selects the record to be played this has > three wire that plug into it. > > Paul Bowman CCT-CP > Advanced Plastics, Inc. > 7360 Cockrill Bend Blvd. > Nashville, TN 37209 > (615) 350-6500 x 117 > paul.bowman@advanced-plastics.com > > ____ > Hi Paul, Wurlitzer (Germany) does not supply parts for your machine, and Wurlitzer USA went out of business in 1974. So, nowadays there are aftermarket suppliers for the parts you need - the O-Rings for the turntable and the microswitch are available from several sources (including us), but you need to identify the model of the machine better to start - 555 might be the BO-AC number or an Amplifier number. The model number for these machines is usually on a metal plate on the rear of the machine and is always a 4 digit number usually ending in 00, such as 3700, 2800, 2900... Service manuals are available to - but we do need to figure out which machine you have! Here on my web site are pictures of various Wurlitzers and you might be able to figure out which one you have then get back with that info: http://www.flippers.com/mug-juke.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Tue May 5 16:20:34 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David) Date: Tue May 5 16:30:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings Message-ID: <007601c9cdd8$17e23320$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Hi all, I need some advice on record carrier bearings for a W2610. The bearings are seized or close to it. I can rotate one and it feels baad. I am thinking of just replacing the bearings. They are sealed bearings riveted to a bracket. I would have to drill out the rivet and reinstall a new bearing to the bracket. Problem is the rivet. It's one of those ones that is drilled in the shop end and it gets worked like a grommet or snap would, rolled or curled. The shop end (bucktail, worked end) has very little clearance to the chassis mounting plate. This rules out a bolt and nut. I don't have any tools that small nor can I find that type of rivet. I have looked at some Cherry (Like a "pop rivet") rivets and I don't think the heads will clear the mounting plate. Don't want to try solid rivets, might destroy the bearings. By the way I have found this condition in four of four Wurlitzer's. The record carrier is just dragging over the bearings. I'm sure the carrier motor doesn't like this much. Wurlitzer p/n's for these "bracket and roller" assy's are W2600 and W2610 #59844 W2700 #59844, W2710 #122088 W2800 #59844, W2810 #122088 W2900 #59844, W2900 # 122088 (W300 and 310 same??) W3100 #59844, W3100 # 122088 Three each times four jukeboxes might prompt a repair verses a replacement..... Thanks, David G From johntrav at suddenlink.net Wed May 6 07:35:55 2009 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Wed May 6 08:00:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings References: <007601c9cdd8$17e23320$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7889531DEF6948259E5473D7960AB7F3@JOHNTRAV> There used to be a product called a "blind rivet" for use where conventional means of flaring were not possible and before pop rivets were available. Basically. it had a pin thru the shank extending above the head. The shank is slotted and the rivet is flared by tapping the the pin down, thus flaring the shank. Maybe they are still available. John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings Hi all, I need some advice on record carrier bearings for a W2610. The bearings are seized or close to it. I can rotate one and it feels baad. I am thinking of just replacing the bearings. They are sealed bearings riveted to a bracket. I would have to drill out the rivet and reinstall a new bearing to the bracket. Problem is the rivet. It's one of those ones that is drilled in the shop end and it gets worked like a grommet or snap would, rolled or curled. The shop end (bucktail, worked end) has very little clearance to the chassis mounting plate. This rules out a bolt and nut. I don't have any tools that small nor can I find that type of rivet. I have looked at some Cherry (Like a "pop rivet") rivets and I don't think the heads will clear the mounting plate. Don't want to try solid rivets, might destroy the bearings. By the way I have found this condition in four of four Wurlitzer's. The record carrier is just dragging over the bearings. I'm sure the carrier motor doesn't like this much. Wurlitzer p/n's for these "bracket and roller" assy's are W2600 and W2610 #59844 W2700 #59844, W2710 #122088 W2800 #59844, W2810 #122088 W2900 #59844, W2900 # 122088 (W300 and 310 same??) W3100 #59844, W3100 # 122088 Three each times four jukeboxes might prompt a repair verses a replacement..... Thanks, David G _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Wed May 6 08:40:33 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Wed May 6 08:42:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings References: <007601c9cdd8$17e23320$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> <7889531DEF6948259E5473D7960AB7F3@JOHNTRAV> Message-ID: <002201c9ce60$fea135d0$07ee4109@ZURNT60> I think I've seen them at ACE Hardware... Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Travelletti" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings > There used to be a product called a "blind rivet" for use where > conventional means of flaring were not possible and before pop rivets were > available. Basically. it had a pin thru the shank extending above the > head. The shank is slotted and the rivet is flared by tapping the the pin > down, thus flaring the shank. Maybe they are still available. > John Travelletti > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:20 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings > > > Hi all, > > I need some advice on record carrier bearings for a W2610. > The bearings are seized or close to it. I can rotate one and it feels > baad. > I am thinking of just replacing the bearings. They are sealed bearings > riveted to a bracket. > I would have to drill out the rivet and reinstall a new bearing to the > bracket. Problem is the rivet. It's one of those ones that is drilled in > the shop end and it gets worked like a grommet or snap would, rolled or > curled. > The shop end (bucktail, worked end) has very little clearance to the > chassis mounting plate. > This rules out a bolt and nut. > I don't have any tools that small nor can I find that type of rivet. I > have looked at some Cherry (Like a "pop rivet") rivets and I don't think > the heads will clear the mounting plate. Don't want to try solid rivets, > might destroy the bearings. > > By the way I have found this condition in four of four Wurlitzer's. The > record carrier is just dragging over the bearings. I'm sure the carrier > motor doesn't like this much. > > Wurlitzer p/n's for these "bracket and roller" assy's are > > W2600 and W2610 #59844 > W2700 #59844, W2710 #122088 > W2800 #59844, W2810 #122088 > W2900 #59844, W2900 # 122088 (W300 and 310 same??) > W3100 #59844, W3100 # 122088 > > Three each times four jukeboxes might prompt a repair verses a > replacement..... > > Thanks, > > David G > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed May 6 16:30:41 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed May 6 16:32:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings References: <007601c9cdd8$17e23320$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net><7889531DEF6948259E5473D7960AB7F3@JOHNTRAV> <002201c9ce60$fea135d0$07ee4109@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <001d01c9cea2$abd7cc00$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Those bearings are not subjected to very much force. Have you tried lubrication? Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Zurn" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings >I think I've seen them at ACE Hardware... > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Travelletti" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings > > >> There used to be a product called a "blind rivet" for use where >> conventional means of flaring were not possible and before pop rivets >> were available. Basically. it had a pin thru the shank extending above >> the head. The shank is slotted and the rivet is flared by tapping the the >> pin down, thus flaring the shank. Maybe they are still available. >> John Travelletti >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:20 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> I need some advice on record carrier bearings for a W2610. >> The bearings are seized or close to it. I can rotate one and it feels >> baad. >> I am thinking of just replacing the bearings. They are sealed bearings >> riveted to a bracket. >> I would have to drill out the rivet and reinstall a new bearing to the >> bracket. Problem is the rivet. It's one of those ones that is drilled in >> the shop end and it gets worked like a grommet or snap would, rolled or >> curled. >> The shop end (bucktail, worked end) has very little clearance to the >> chassis mounting plate. >> This rules out a bolt and nut. >> I don't have any tools that small nor can I find that type of rivet. I >> have looked at some Cherry (Like a "pop rivet") rivets and I don't think >> the heads will clear the mounting plate. Don't want to try solid rivets, >> might destroy the bearings. >> >> By the way I have found this condition in four of four Wurlitzer's. The >> record carrier is just dragging over the bearings. I'm sure the carrier >> motor doesn't like this much. >> >> Wurlitzer p/n's for these "bracket and roller" assy's are >> >> W2600 and W2610 #59844 >> W2700 #59844, W2710 #122088 >> W2800 #59844, W2810 #122088 >> W2900 #59844, W2900 # 122088 (W300 and 310 same??) >> W3100 #59844, W3100 # 122088 >> >> Three each times four jukeboxes might prompt a repair verses a >> replacement..... >> >> Thanks, >> >> David G >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Wed May 6 17:42:34 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David) Date: Wed May 6 17:44:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings References: <007601c9cdd8$17e23320$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net><7889531DEF6948259E5473D7960AB7F3@JOHNTRAV><002201c9ce60$fea135d0$07ee4109@ZURNT60> <001d01c9cea2$abd7cc00$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <000501c9ceac$b66467a0$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> I drilled out one of the rivets and found that the "sealed bearings" are not so sealed. Two metal disks on either side of the bearing that are held in place by the rivet and come right off. No problem cleaning and repacking the bearings with it disassembled. I might have found a rivet at work that might work also. The grease inside was hardened enough to prevent the bearing from turning. Got it cleaned out with naphtha (lighter fluid). It feels serviceable and there is no flat spots on the O.D. . Need to find a suitable grease to re-lubricate it with, maybe Lubriplate would work since this bearing doesn't do allot of spinning at one time. Maybe a light wheel bearing grease. Thanks for all the advice!! David G. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings > Those bearings are not subjected to very much force. Have you tried > lubrication? Good luck, > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Zurn" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings > > > >I think I've seen them at ACE Hardware... > > > > Jeff > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Travelletti" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings > > > > > >> There used to be a product called a "blind rivet" for use where > >> conventional means of flaring were not possible and before pop rivets > >> were available. Basically. it had a pin thru the shank extending above > >> the head. The shank is slotted and the rivet is flared by tapping the the > >> pin down, thus flaring the shank. Maybe they are still available. > >> John Travelletti > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "David" > >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:20 PM > >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings > >> > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I need some advice on record carrier bearings for a W2610. > >> The bearings are seized or close to it. I can rotate one and it feels > >> baad. > >> I am thinking of just replacing the bearings. They are sealed bearings > >> riveted to a bracket. > >> I would have to drill out the rivet and reinstall a new bearing to the > >> bracket. Problem is the rivet. It's one of those ones that is drilled in > >> the shop end and it gets worked like a grommet or snap would, rolled or > >> curled. > >> The shop end (bucktail, worked end) has very little clearance to the > >> chassis mounting plate. > >> This rules out a bolt and nut. > >> I don't have any tools that small nor can I find that type of rivet. I > >> have looked at some Cherry (Like a "pop rivet") rivets and I don't think > >> the heads will clear the mounting plate. Don't want to try solid rivets, > >> might destroy the bearings. > >> > >> By the way I have found this condition in four of four Wurlitzer's. The > >> record carrier is just dragging over the bearings. I'm sure the carrier > >> motor doesn't like this much. > >> > >> Wurlitzer p/n's for these "bracket and roller" assy's are > >> > >> W2600 and W2610 #59844 > >> W2700 #59844, W2710 #122088 > >> W2800 #59844, W2810 #122088 > >> W2900 #59844, W2900 # 122088 (W300 and 310 same??) > >> W3100 #59844, W3100 # 122088 > >> > >> Three each times four jukeboxes might prompt a repair verses a > >> replacement..... > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> David G > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 4/30/09 5:53 PM > > From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed May 6 18:13:38 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Wed May 6 18:15:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Message-ID: <008601c9ceb1$0e752020$2b5f6060$@net> Did the G200 have a decal on the front glass like the E model? Mine has a decal on the left side glass, but not the right side. Are these being reproduced and by whom? Thanks. Rich From y2kvette at verizon.net Wed May 6 18:33:26 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Wed May 6 18:35:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Microswitch for Rockola 426 Message-ID: <00fd01c9ceb3$d1e34490$0601a8c0@CaysLaptop> I just found the Microswitches for my 1965 Rockola Gran Prix II (426). The original switches have the following # BZ-2RE4. I talked to the Honeywell tech rep (owns Microswitch) today and he crossed the original switch to the replacement = #BZ-2R. Newark Electronics has over 200 in stock. Cost about $10 each. I plan on replacing all three on my juke. Regards, Steve PS. Is it really necessary to replace the capacitors (5) on this 1st gen "solid state" amp? From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed May 6 18:45:44 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed May 6 18:47:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trash can selector woes Message-ID: I've been working on a trashcan (147S) that was originally missing the credit unit. It is the later type with the small 6 pin jones plug, and not the one that is wired into the selector harness. The owner bought one off ebay (against my suggestion not too) and it was the wrong type. So he has located another one and it arrived today. Drop in a coin and the credit unit registers on the counter wheel, but no latching for the selector buttons and no lights come on the dials. If I manually push the carry over contacts together it plays the record fine. ?????? Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed May 6 19:51:28 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed May 6 19:53:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trash can selector woes References: Message-ID: <001601c9cebe$b8c97b90$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I'm going to assume you cleaned the light sockets and checked the bulbs. There is a leaf switch (main credit switch) under the plastic number dials that is a PIA to get to. Make sure this is clean and making good contact. You can jump it temporarily to see if the bulbs light. The buttons do not latch on this model. There is a relay with three leaf switches in the credit unit that pulls in when you make a selection. Is this happening? If so, clean the leaf switches. Have you cleaned the pins in the selector drum and checked the fuse? There is a spring around the pins at the bottom of the selector drum that tends to rust and not make good contact, so even though pins may be selected, the start relay will not pull in. Check all this and let us know, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:45 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] trash can selector woes I've been working on a trashcan (147S) that was originally missing the credit unit. It is the later type with the small 6 pin jones plug, and not the one that is wired into the selector harness. The owner bought one off ebay (against my suggestion not too) and it was the wrong type. So he has located another one and it arrived today. Drop in a coin and the credit unit registers on the counter wheel, but no latching for the selector buttons and no lights come on the dials. If I manually push the carry over contacts together it plays the record fine. ?????? Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Wed May 6 19:51:52 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed May 6 19:53:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Message-ID: <451850.49012.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have a G200 as well and no there is no decal on the front glass. I know it has an aluminum plate that has the AMI logo and I think it says High Fidelity on it. I am in need of one of those and a few other bits. ? Regards, Tony --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 9:13 PM Did the G200 have a decal on the front glass like the E model?? Mine has a decal on the left side glass,? but not the right side.? Are these being reproduced and by whom? Thanks. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed May 6 20:12:30 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed May 6 20:14:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Message-ID: <581621.7115.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Did the G200 have a decal on the > front glass like the E model? Mine has a > decal on the left side glass, but not the right > side. No decals on mine. If it's a pricing decal, those were usually applied by the operator, not the factory. From pinball at telus.net Wed May 6 22:11:42 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed May 6 22:13:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings In-Reply-To: <000501c9ceac$b66467a0$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> References: <007601c9cdd8$17e23320$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net><7889531DEF6948259E5473D7960AB7F3@JOHNTRAV><002201c9ce60$fea135d0$07ee4109@ZURNT60> <001d01c9cea2$abd7cc00$6101a8c0@Dirksen> <000501c9ceac$b66467a0$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A026D8E.8020408@telus.net> David wrote: > I drilled out one of the rivets and found that the "sealed bearings" are not > so sealed. > Two metal disks on either side of the bearing that are held in place by the > rivet and come right off. > No problem cleaning and repacking the bearings with it disassembled. I might > have found a rivet at work > that might work also. > The grease inside was hardened enough to prevent the bearing from turning. > Got it cleaned out with naphtha (lighter fluid). It feels serviceable and > there is no flat spots on the O.D. . Need to find a suitable grease to > re-lubricate it with, maybe Lubriplate would work since this bearing doesn't > do allot of spinning at one time. Maybe a light wheel bearing grease. > Thanks for all the advice!! > > David G. > > > > I have found that a thin oil, Zoom-Spout or similar, will soak into the bearing even through the protective metal 'seal'. Then turn the bearing BY HAND to work the oil in. Unless the bearing outer shell has a flat spot from the carousel dragging across it for too many years this should do the trick. Plus you do not need to remove the bearing from the jukebox! Do not forget to oil the main bearing at the same time! This is accessible through the hole in the carousel center ring that is in the six o'clock position if you are looking down on the middle of the carousel from the front. It is a pity that Wurlitzer never made nice lubrication charts like the famous Seeburg chart! John :-#)# > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings > > > >> Those bearings are not subjected to very much force. Have you tried >> lubrication? Good luck, >> >> Jim >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jeff Zurn" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:40 AM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings >> >> >> >>> I think I've seen them at ACE Hardware... >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Travelletti" >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:35 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings >>> >>> >>> >>>> There used to be a product called a "blind rivet" for use where >>>> conventional means of flaring were not possible and before pop rivets >>>> were available. Basically. it had a pin thru the shank extending above >>>> the head. The shank is slotted and the rivet is flared by tapping the >>>> > the > >>>> pin down, thus flaring the shank. Maybe they are still available. >>>> John Travelletti >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "David" >>>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:20 PM >>>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer record carrier bearings >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I need some advice on record carrier bearings for a W2610. >>>> The bearings are seized or close to it. I can rotate one and it feels >>>> baad. >>>> I am thinking of just replacing the bearings. They are sealed bearings >>>> riveted to a bracket. >>>> I would have to drill out the rivet and reinstall a new bearing to the >>>> bracket. Problem is the rivet. It's one of those ones that is drilled >>>> > in > >>>> the shop end and it gets worked like a grommet or snap would, rolled or >>>> curled. >>>> The shop end (bucktail, worked end) has very little clearance to the >>>> chassis mounting plate. >>>> This rules out a bolt and nut. >>>> I don't have any tools that small nor can I find that type of rivet. I >>>> have looked at some Cherry (Like a "pop rivet") rivets and I don't >>>> > think > >>>> the heads will clear the mounting plate. Don't want to try solid >>>> > rivets, > >>>> might destroy the bearings. >>>> >>>> By the way I have found this condition in four of four Wurlitzer's. The >>>> record carrier is just dragging over the bearings. I'm sure the carrier >>>> motor doesn't like this much. >>>> >>>> Wurlitzer p/n's for these "bracket and roller" assy's are >>>> >>>> W2600 and W2610 #59844 >>>> W2700 #59844, W2710 #122088 >>>> W2800 #59844, W2810 #122088 >>>> W2900 #59844, W2900 # 122088 (W300 and 310 same??) >>>> W3100 #59844, W3100 # 122088 >>>> >>>> Three each times four jukeboxes might prompt a repair verses a >>>> replacement..... >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> David G -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu May 7 04:31:54 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu May 7 04:33:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question In-Reply-To: <581621.7115.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <581621.7115.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008b01c9cf07$6d182770$47487650$@net> In this pic, http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/ami9.JPG you can faintly see the red lettering on the right side. It says AMI on top and 200 under that. There is a greenish, gray stripe that runs 8-12" between. This decal is only on the right side, no other decals present. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:13 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Did the G200 have a decal on the > front glass like the E model? Mine has a > decal on the left side glass, but not the right > side. No decals on mine. If it's a pricing decal, those were usually applied by the operator, not the factory. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 05/06/09 17:58:00 From aaron at vertasource.com Thu May 7 05:39:26 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Thu May 7 05:35:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Message-ID: <200905070839576.SM02476@[192.168.1.206]> Didn't the G-200 have a "Multi-Horn High Fidelity" decal on the front glass? I'm at work now so I can't check the one I'm restoring, but I thought the G-200 has the logo in almost a "lightning" style red/white font, while the G-120 had the decal in a more "cursive" red/white font style. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com Sent 5/6/2009 11:12:30 PM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers 19k20@comcast.net wrote: Did the G200 have a decal on the front glass like the E model? Mine has a decal on the left side glass, but not the right side. No decals on mine. If it's a pricing decal, those were usually applied by the operator, not the factory. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu May 7 05:44:48 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu May 7 05:46:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question In-Reply-To: <200905070839576.SM02476@[192.168.1.206]> References: <200905070839576.SM02476@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <009201c9cf11$9c2d2dd0$d4878970$@net> Aaron, I have a few errands to run this morning, but will put a close up of the one decal I have up on my site and post later this afternoon. Maybe it will jar a few memories.. Thanks for the thoughts.... Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Heverin Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:39 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Didn't the G-200 have a "Multi-Horn High Fidelity" decal on the front glass? I'm at work now so I can't check the one I'm restoring, but I thought the G-200 has the logo in almost a "lightning" style red/white font, while the G-120 had the decal in a more "cursive" red/white font style. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com Sent 5/6/2009 11:12:30 PM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers 19k20@comcast.net wrote: Did the G200 have a decal on the front glass like the E model? Mine has a decal on the left side glass, but not the right side. No decals on mine. If it's a pricing decal, those were usually applied by the operator, not the factory. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 05/06/09 17:58:00 From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu May 7 06:20:19 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu May 7 06:22:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Message-ID: <216824.35297.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> No it didn't it had an aluminum piece at the bottom with that info on it that was mounted to the front of the record changer. --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 8:39 AM Didn't the G-200 have a "Multi-Horn High Fidelity" decal on the front glass? I'm at work now so I can't check the one I'm restoring, but I thought the G-200 has the logo in almost a "lightning" style red/white font, while the G-120 had the decal in a more "cursive" red/white font style. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com Sent 5/6/2009 11:12:30 PM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers 19k20@comcast.net wrote: Did the G200 have a decal on the front glass like the E model? Mine has a decal on the left side glass, but not the right side. No decals on mine. If it's a pricing decal, those were usually applied by the operator, not the factory. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu May 7 06:22:05 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu May 7 06:23:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Message-ID: <958794.87184.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich is right. There are decals on the left and right side at the top that says AMI (then a black line) and below the line is 200 ? That's all the decals that were on it. ? Regards, Tony --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Received: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 7:31 AM In this pic, http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/ami9.JPG you can faintly see the red lettering on the right side.? It says AMI on top and 200 under that. There is a greenish, gray stripe that runs 8-12" between.? This decal is only on the right side,? no other decals present. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:13 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Did the G200 have a decal on the > front glass like the E model?? Mine has a > decal on the left side glass,? but not the right > side. No decals on mine.? If it's a pricing decal, those were usually applied by the operator, not the factory. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 05/06/09 17:58:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From aaron at vertasource.com Thu May 7 06:43:34 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Thu May 7 06:39:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Message-ID: <200905070943659.SM01492@[192.168.1.206]> Sure. That makes sense because I'm sure the AMI "powers that be" didn't want a large decal on the front glass taking away the view of their brand new mechanism! Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Lala Blah Blah oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca Sent 5/7/2009 9:22:05 AM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Rich is right. There are decals on the left and right side at the top that says AMI (then a black line) and below the line is 200 That's all the decals that were on it. Regards, Tony --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Ssg Rich Myers 19k20@comcast.net wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers 19k20@comcast.net Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 7:31 AM In this pic, http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/ami9.JPG you can faintly see the red lettering on the right side. It says AMI on top and 200 under that. There is a greenish, gray stripe that runs 8-12" between. This decal is only on the right side, no other decals present. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Brenema n Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:13 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers 19k20@comcast.net wrote: Did the G200 have a decal on the front glass like the E model? Mine has a decal on the left side glass, but not the right side. No decals on mine. If it's a pricing decal, those were usually applied by the operator, not the factory. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 05/06/09 17:58:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ____________________________________________________________ ______Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk em ail the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and sw itch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu May 7 08:56:32 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu May 7 08:58:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question In-Reply-To: <958794.87184.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <958794.87184.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009901c9cf2c$652453c0$2f6cfb40$@net> Here is a closer photo of my decal. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/G200_decal.JPG As you can see, it is a little worn. Is there anyone producing decals? I have read somewhere about water transfer and ink jet printers. Is water transfer how we used to sticker up our model planes? Does anyone have experience with this process? How do you get copy on computer? I assume, digital photo and transfer to photoshop or some other photo editing software, mirror image and print out 100% size on water transfer stock? If there is an easier, better, more economical way.....please let me know. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Lala Blah Blah Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:22 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Rich is right. There are decals on the left and right side at the top that says AMI (then a black line) and below the line is 200 ? That's all the decals that were on it. ? Regards, Tony --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Received: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 7:31 AM In this pic, http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/ami9.JPG you can faintly see the red lettering on the right side.? It says AMI on top and 200 under that. There is a greenish, gray stripe that runs 8-12" between.? This decal is only on the right side,? no other decals present. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:13 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Did the G200 have a decal on the > front glass like the E model?? Mine has a > decal on the left side glass,? but not the right > side. No decals on mine.? If it's a pricing decal, those were usually applied by the operator, not the factory. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 05/06/09 17:58:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 05/06/09 17:58:00 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu May 7 09:35:23 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu May 7 09:39:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Message-ID: <20090507.123523.14213.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Hello Rich: I tried to open the photo via your link----couldn't do it. I get a "gateway time out" notification. Victory Glass is selling several replicated AMI and generic jukebox window decals in their on-line catalog. Part numbers are clustered around 10-2201 if you want to use search engine to find. web: www.victoryglass.com Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to get your online credit check report & score. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVrWcoXur4xt2LDVHT5CiAvwh38sdzS8pEyKMwZmrgYs14MizRz00/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu May 7 11:27:23 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu May 7 11:29:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question In-Reply-To: <20090507.123523.14213.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090507.123523.14213.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <009a01c9cf41$77f6b2d0$67e41870$@net> Heck of a time for the server to crash. It should be back up and the link SHOULD work now....Sorry for the trouble. I will take a look at Victory. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:35 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Hello Rich: I tried to open the photo via your link----couldn't do it. I get a "gateway time out" notification. Victory Glass is selling several replicated AMI and generic jukebox window decals in their on-line catalog. Part numbers are clustered around 10-2201 if you want to use search engine to find. web: www.victoryglass.com Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to get your online credit check report & score. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVrWcoXur4xt2LDVHT5CiAv wh38sdzS8pEyKMwZmrgYs14MizRz00/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 05/07/09 05:57:00 From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu May 7 11:37:38 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu May 7 11:39:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Message-ID: <899529.36221.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yea they used a nice aluminum plate instead.. BTW anyone have one?? --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 9:43 AM Sure. That makes sense because I'm sure the AMI "powers that be" didn't want a large decal on the front glass taking away the view of their brand new mechanism! Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Lala Blah Blah oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca Sent 5/7/2009 9:22:05 AM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Rich is right. There are decals on the left and right side at the top that says AMI (then a black line) and below the line is 200 That's all the decals that were on it. Regards, Tony --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Ssg Rich Myers 19k20@comcast.net wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers 19k20@comcast.net Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 7:31 AM In this pic, http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/ami9.JPG you can faintly see the red lettering on the right side. It says AMI on top and 200 under that. There is a greenish, gray stripe that runs 8-12" between. This decal is only on the right side, no other decals present. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Brenema n Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:13 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers 19k20@comcast.net wrote: Did the G200 have a decal on the front glass like the E model? Mine has a decal on the left side glass, but not the right side. No decals on mine. If it's a pricing decal, those were usually applied by the operator, not the factory. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 05/06/09 17:58:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ____________________________________________________________ ______Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk em ail the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. 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Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From blackj at internode.on.net Thu May 7 13:10:22 2009 From: blackj at internode.on.net (Jeffrey Black) Date: Thu May 7 13:18:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: another AMi G200 question Message-ID: <002101c9cf4f$da8fe840$8fafb8c0$@on.net> I?ve been following the G200 thread with interest as I?ve just commenced the restoration of a G200 I was given. It served thirty years in a caf? in a coal-mining town in central Queensland, Australia. The box is a horrid lime green/bronze/cr?me combination, and I have now stripped it out, and preparing the cabinet for a respray in firecracker red. Rich is correct regarding the decals on the L/R side glass, mine are intact, and there is no evidence of a decal on the front glass. In Rich?s photo I saw the chrome textured matting also sitting behind the side decals - on my box, it?s just black paint ? wonder if the matting peeled off at some stage??? Can that matting be bought and reattached? On the disassemble, I noticed that a clear perspex piece had been screwed into the turntable left stage, with a white card under the perspex. When I pulled it apart, turned over the white card, and here?s the service agent?s business card ? in really good condition. Don?t know why it had been turned over? The one thing I am missing is one AMi emblem on the record basket exit ? I?m guessing a rarity these days, and it looks unbalanced without it! Does anyone have an emblem? If so please contact me off-list. And thanks to Aaron for all the advice he has given me so far on the G200. I?m sue I?ll be back with more questions. Regards, Jeff. From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu May 7 14:38:05 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu May 7 14:39:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: another AMi G200 question In-Reply-To: <002101c9cf4f$da8fe840$8fafb8c0$@on.net> References: <002101c9cf4f$da8fe840$8fafb8c0$@on.net> Message-ID: <009b01c9cf5c$1bc70b20$53552160$@net> Jeff, I don?t know how complete the restoration was done on the box I have. When I got it last year, the guy said the restoration was about 10 years old. He did a fairly nice job. I have noticed a couple of screws here and there missing, the cash box, the door that locks the cash box, the shelf that covers the amp....ect guess I can't complain too much...it works well...now...thanks to advice from this column. Here is a link to all my G200 pics. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/ami If you hit the parent directory there is a listing of my Wurli's too. Good luck on your restore....I think we would like to see progress pics posted somewhere...before and after Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Black Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:10 PM To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: another AMi G200 question I?ve been following the G200 thread with interest as I?ve just commenced the restoration of a G200 I was given. It served thirty years in a caf? in a coal-mining town in central Queensland, Australia. The box is a horrid lime green/bronze/cr?me combination, and I have now stripped it out, and preparing the cabinet for a respray in firecracker red. Rich is correct regarding the decals on the L/R side glass, mine are intact, and there is no evidence of a decal on the front glass. In Rich?s photo I saw the chrome textured matting also sitting behind the side decals - on my box, it?s just black paint ? wonder if the matting peeled off at some stage??? Can that matting be bought and reattached? On the disassemble, I noticed that a clear perspex piece had been screwed into the turntable left stage, with a white card under the perspex. When I pulled it apart, turned over the white card, and here?s the service agent?s business card ? in really good condition. Don?t know why it had been turned over? The one thing I am missing is one AMi emblem on the record basket exit ? I?m guessing a rarity these days, and it looks unbalanced without it! Does anyone have an emblem? If so please contact me off-list. And thanks to Aaron for all the advice he has given me so far on the G200. I?m sue I?ll be back with more questions. Regards, Jeff. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 05/07/09 18:05:00 From joe400f at shaw.ca Thu May 7 16:58:02 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Thu May 7 16:59:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox Message-ID: <001801c9cf6f$a7f5c0b0$3d9c4e18@compaq> Here is a very cool Jukebox. http://cgi.ebay.com/JUKEBOX-AMI-JENSON-J120-1957_W0QQitemZ180354381578QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item29fdf5770a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 There has been the odd comment about this jukebox on this list every once in a while. Looks like a blend between a Seeburg C and an AMI E. Very cool. Joey McDonald From dvb at bowater.org.uk Thu May 7 19:06:34 2009 From: dvb at bowater.org.uk (david) Date: Thu May 7 19:08:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Delayed / non delivery Message-ID: <65F9A8CC741A431A89014117949E1062@Lyn> Hi Everyone I sent a message at Lunchtime today (UK time) and its not bee posted, so sending this test message to see if its a one off! Regards David From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Thu May 7 19:12:57 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Thu May 7 19:14:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Delayed / non delivery In-Reply-To: <65F9A8CC741A431A89014117949E1062@Lyn> References: <65F9A8CC741A431A89014117949E1062@Lyn> Message-ID: Got it here david... :) On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:06 PM, david wrote: > Hi Everyone > > I sent a message at Lunchtime today (UK time) and its not bee posted, so > sending this test message to see if its a one off! > > Regards > David > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From dvb at bowater.org.uk Thu May 7 19:17:52 2009 From: dvb at bowater.org.uk (david) Date: Thu May 7 19:19:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Delayed / non delivery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9297A6A414A8476FADEAB9C176EB9D8E@Lyn> Thanks, I will relist David -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Teeter Sent: 08 May 2009 03:13 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Delayed / non delivery Got it here david... :) On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:06 PM, david wrote: > Hi Everyone > > I sent a message at Lunchtime today (UK time) and its not bee posted, > so sending this test message to see if its a one off! > > Regards > David > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dvb at bowater.org.uk Thu May 7 19:35:44 2009 From: dvb at bowater.org.uk (david) Date: Thu May 7 19:37:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cutting Service Message-ID: <4DFF51B9B4F6462F807A2F19B3BD7599@Lyn> Relisted item, as per my recent test email........ Hi everyone If my memory has not failed me somebody was asking about record cutting services, just browsing eBay and found this item 120413917677 I know nothing else about this company, just forwarding what I found. Hope its helpful. Regards David From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu May 7 19:38:30 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu May 7 19:40:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Message-ID: <548922.82567.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Didn't the G-200 have a "Multi-Horn > High Fidelity" decal on the front glass? Here's mine: http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/ami-in-workshop.jpg From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu May 7 19:41:06 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu May 7 19:42:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Message-ID: <733919.64258.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > In this pic, http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/ami9.JPG you can faintly > see the red lettering on the right side. I've tried to access that URL several times today but all I get are timeouts (this morning) and 404 errors (page not found) this evening. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu May 7 19:45:24 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu May 7 19:47:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: another AMi G200 question Message-ID: <676873.91350.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Jeffrey Black wrote: > Rich is correct regarding the decals on the L/R side glass, Those aren't decals, are they? Isn't it silkscreened, or a similar process? On mine, it looks like paint. From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu May 7 23:01:56 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu May 7 23:03:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question In-Reply-To: <733919.64258.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <733919.64258.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c9cfa2$7edf8840$7c9e98c0$@net> First time was the computers fault. This time, its all me. I decided to rename the files, to more descriptive file names after I published that URL. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/ami will work. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:41 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > In this pic, http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/ami9.JPG you can faintly > see the red lettering on the right side. I've tried to access that URL several times today but all I get are timeouts (this morning) and 404 errors (page not found) this evening. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 05/07/09 18:05:00 From johntrav at suddenlink.net Fri May 8 04:44:26 2009 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Fri May 8 04:46:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] record cutting service Message-ID: I recently had a 1 off 45 made by 1uptechnologies in Louisana. He downloaded the tune from the internet (it's the background for VG's home page and is in the public domain) and put it on both sides of the disc. As I recall, the cost was around 40 bucks and the sound quality is excellent. Eric Morritt emorritt@1uptechnologies.com is the contact and he would like to get into this type of work for jukebox aficianados. John Travelletti From johntrav at suddenlink.net Fri May 8 07:54:24 2009 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Fri May 8 07:56:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] new email address: Message-ID: Effective immediately my email address has changed to johntrav@windstream.net. Please update your address list. Thank you, John Travelletti From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri May 8 10:23:28 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri May 8 10:25:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox Message-ID: <485577.13048.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Joey McDonald wrote: > Here is a very cool Jukebox.? The record changer is certainly finished out better looking than AMI themselves did. Is all that chrome original or an "owner enhancement"? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri May 8 10:26:02 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri May 8 10:27:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cutting Service Message-ID: <691259.70483.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 5/7/09, david wrote: > If my memory has not failed me somebody was asking about > record cutting > services, just browsing eBay and found this item > 120413917677 This looks like the kind of record I had made. Definitely vinyl, not a lacquer-on-aluminum ("acetate") blank. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri May 8 11:00:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri May 8 11:02:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hummmmmmmmmm Message-ID: <803227.2793.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Need a favor--If there is anyody with a Seeburg 222 through DS? (stereo) who is willing to check on the audio plugs, and read some resistances for me, please contact me at ronnnrich@yahoo.com . (I've run into a "butchered" phono, and I can not determine why it's "humming"--don't have another like model to look at) TIA !? Ron Rich From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri May 8 12:14:24 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri May 8 12:18:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox Message-ID: <20090508.151424.26849.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: It's my understanding that the Jensen company (not affiliated with Jensen loudspeakers, a US-based company that supplied speaker components to several juke manufacturers) was an importer for (US manufacturer) AMI jukeboxes into Europe and England in the 50's. I believe that, in order to comply trade agreements, the jukeboxes had to be shipped/assembled in the country that was buying them, and that a certain degree of materials used to fabricate the machine had to be of local origin. This would probably explain the use of the different amp/ speakers than what was seen on the US-based models. It might explain the styling differences. The brand name used was "Jensen IMA" for these machines. I remember reading about this awhile ago. I believe it was an item in one of Dr Frank Adams' jukebox anthology books. Chances are if you visit a classic jukebox website based in the UK or Europe, you'll see more of these unique machines. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZUDLa4DG1n8G7ACIbQQSrpBC2mzVieufcMvQkbTVTZ0shjxMD8uk/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri May 8 13:40:14 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri May 8 13:41:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox Message-ID: <980003.8097.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, What I'm about to write is "hear-say" and MAY be pure B.S., but it is what a couple of "old timers" told me, years ago--- "Jensen" was the same company both here and in Europe, that was/is involved in many ways,?with audio equipment. I?was also told that they were the "inventors" of the "gripper arm assembly" that AMi used to pick-up records and place them onto the turntable. I have also heard that "Jensen invented the 200 selection mechanism" that AMi used, and that was the reason for all of the "J" AMi models.? I was further informed that the 200 mechanism was built in many countries--including the USA, Netherlands, GB, and?Australia ( or NZ), at one time or another. If anyone knows for sure, please let us know as--I've always "wondered"-- Ron Rich ? ? ? ? --- On Fri, 5/8/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 12:14 PM Gentlemen: It's my understanding that the Jensen company (not affiliated with Jensen loudspeakers, a US-based company that supplied speaker components to several juke manufacturers) was an importer for (US manufacturer) AMI jukeboxes into Europe and England in the 50's.??? I believe that, in order to comply trade agreements, the jukeboxes had to be shipped/assembled in the country that was buying them, and that a certain degree of materials used to fabricate the machine had to be of local origin.? ??? This would probably explain the use of the different amp/ speakers than what was seen on the US-based models.???It might explain the styling differences. The brand name used was "Jensen IMA"? for these machines.???I remember reading about this awhile ago.? I believe it was an item in one of Dr Frank Adams' jukebox anthology books. Chances are if you visit a classic jukebox website based in the UK or Europe, you'll see more of these unique machines.? ??? Jim Alexander??? ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZUDLa4DG1n8G7ACIbQQSrpBC2mzVieufcMvQkbTVTZ0shjxMD8uk/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri May 8 14:09:12 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri May 8 14:10:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox Message-ID: <665669.85824.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: > I?was > also told that they were the "inventors" of the "gripper arm > assembly" that AMi used to pick-up records and place them > onto the turntable. In the 1920s? > I have also heard that "Jensen invented the 200 selection > mechanism" that AMi used, and that was the reason for all of > the "J" AMi models.? I thought AMI's post-WWII followed the naming convention A, B, C, D, etc. They'd have hit J eventually no matter who invented the record changer. :-) These pearls of wisdom sound to me like the old "78 - 33 = 45" canard. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri May 8 15:56:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri May 8 15:58:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hummmmmmmmmm Message-ID: <911388.32966.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Adrian, and All--but never mind as I THINK that I have discovered what my problem is- I can't see it, but I had my meter on the ground (earth to you !) input pin and the chassis side of the fuse on the switchplate--open, as it should have been. I then (just out of blind luck) flipped the reversing switch with my elbow, and I happened to be looking at the meter as I did this--Low and behold the meter reacted as though someone had touched the two meter leads together !-----Himmmmmmmmmmm ?? So I then pushed slightly on the R-switch---meter "jumped" all over the scale. I have popped off the switch, examined the wires and can not see anything, but suspect that one of the input wires was jut "pinched" enough short to ground--will know for sure tomorrow--as I am too tired today to continue-- Ron --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: From: Juke of Shrewsbury Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Hummmmmmmmmm To: "Ron Rich" Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 2:00 PM ...No problem Ron, I will check this out for you tomorrow. It will be evening (UK time) before I report back as I don't have internet access at the workshop - I thought it would be too distracting! ? Adrian. ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Rich To: Juke of Shrewsbury Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Hummmmmmmmmm Hi Adrian, Not too late--thanks-- What I need is to verify the wiring of the audio input plug --someone hacked this one up--According to the manuals, it's wired with both shields going ( mech cable side)? to pin # 1, and one "hot",?each channel, going to pins two and three--what I would like to know is--which color wire is going to pin two--and three, and if the shield of both channels are wired to pin 1, and are common NOWHERE else-- Also, if you have a meter handy, what the resistance reads from each channel to common-- Thanks again, Ron --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: From: Juke of Shrewsbury Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Hummmmmmmmmm To: "Ron Rich" Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 1:29 PM Hi Ron, Maybe a bit late.... but if you had no other offers, I have a couple of 222's and will be at the workshop tomorrow. Just let me know what you want to check. Best Regards, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: ; Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:00 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hummmmmmmmmm Hi All, Need a favor--If there is anyody with a Seeburg 222 through DS (stereo) who is willing to check on the audio plugs, and read some resistances for me, please contact me at ronnnrich@yahoo.com . (I've run into a "butchered" phono, and I can not determine why it's "humming"--don't have another like model to look at) TIA ! Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2103 - Release Date: 05/07/09 18:05:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri May 8 16:04:20 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri May 8 16:05:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox Message-ID: <607982.60937.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Like I said--don't know ?? They went A-K, 1946 to 1960, then to the "XJ" series?(aka Lyric/Continenal), then, JAL, JEL, JBM, JAN, JAO----?Ron Rich ? --- On Fri, 5/8/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 2:09 PM --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: > I?was > also told that they were the "inventors" of the "gripper arm > assembly" that AMi used to pick-up records and place them > onto the turntable. In the 1920s? > I have also heard that "Jensen invented the 200 selection > mechanism" that AMi used, and that was the reason for all of > the "J" AMi models.? I thought AMI's post-WWII followed the naming convention A, B, C, D, etc.? They'd have hit J eventually no matter who invented the record changer.? :-) These pearls of wisdom sound to me like the old "78 - 33 = 45" canard. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri May 8 17:47:54 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Fri May 8 17:49:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Moving a Wurli Message-ID: <000901c9d03f$ca96fe60$5fc4fb20$@net> Weather has finally provided a weekend to move the 3010 to the inlaws house. It will be transported in the back of my PU truck. Strapped down. Other than the mech deck, what else should I look to secure for the 1.5 hour trip? Anyone have any moving experience? Thanks again Rich From pinball at telus.net Fri May 8 17:53:33 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri May 8 17:55:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Moving a Wurli In-Reply-To: <000901c9d03f$ca96fe60$5fc4fb20$@net> References: <000901c9d03f$ca96fe60$5fc4fb20$@net> Message-ID: <4A04D40D.5010708@telus.net> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Weather has finally provided a weekend to move the 3010 to the inlaws house. > It will be transported in the back of my PU truck. Strapped down. Other > than the mech deck, what else should I look to secure for the 1.5 hour > trip? Anyone have any moving experience? > > > > Thanks again > > > > Rich > Make sure all selections are cleared in case the carousel turns... An old sleeping bag jammed in to keep the records from flying around also helps. Make sure the amp and control centers are locked down. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri May 8 18:12:30 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Fri May 8 18:14:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Moving a Wurli In-Reply-To: <4A04D40D.5010708@telus.net> References: <000901c9d03f$ca96fe60$5fc4fb20$@net> <4A04D40D.5010708@telus.net> Message-ID: <000e01c9d043$3a54c4f0$aefe4ed0$@net> Thanks for the advice John!! Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:54 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Moving a Wurli Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Weather has finally provided a weekend to move the 3010 to the inlaws house. > It will be transported in the back of my PU truck. Strapped down. Other > than the mech deck, what else should I look to secure for the 1.5 hour > trip? Anyone have any moving experience? > > > > Thanks again > > > > Rich > Make sure all selections are cleared in case the carousel turns... An old sleeping bag jammed in to keep the records from flying around also helps. Make sure the amp and control centers are locked down. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2103 - Release Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri May 8 19:37:39 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri May 8 19:39:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Moving a Wurli Message-ID: <476298.33280.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, If nothing else, be sure that you wire the "wing bolts" so that they can not unscrew and be sure to tie the tone arm to the solid post that sits behind it ( so the sprng can not fly away). Ron Rich --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Moving a Wurli To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 5:47 PM Weather has finally provided a weekend to move the 3010 to the inlaws house.. It will be transported in the back of my PU truck.? Strapped down.? Other than the mech deck,? what else should I look to secure for the 1.5 hour trip?? Anyone have any moving experience? Thanks again Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri May 8 19:41:32 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri May 8 19:43:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Moving a Wurli Message-ID: <952448.60709.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I would remove all records--and set the "load-play" switch to "load". Tie a string between the pop meter reset arm and the basket so it can not turn, or bang against the backstops. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 5/8/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Moving a Wurli To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 5:53 PM Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Weather has finally provided a weekend to move the 3010 to the inlaws house. > It will be transported in the back of my PU truck.? Strapped down.? Other > than the mech deck,? what else should I look to secure for the 1.5 hour > trip?? Anyone have any moving experience? > >? > Thanks again > >? > Rich >??? Make sure all selections are cleared in case the carousel turns... An old sleeping bag jammed in to keep the records from flying around also helps. Make sure the amp and control centers are locked down. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings at comcast.net Fri May 8 19:57:15 2009 From: s.cummings at comcast.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Fri May 8 20:04:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed nuts Message-ID: <1998741918-1241837849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-32793035-@bxe1086.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I'm pulling apart a Seeburg A and am wondering, what's the best way to remove the so-called "speed nuts" used on the metal posts to hold things like glass brackets in place? I've got some off, but it's been a chore. Either these are single-use pieces (meant to be replaced when removed) or I'm doing something really wrong. Any tips? From alex at eyeballrecords.com Fri May 8 20:18:34 2009 From: alex at eyeballrecords.com (alex saavedra) Date: Fri May 8 20:20:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Moving a Wurli In-Reply-To: <952448.60709.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <952448.60709.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1138F40E-9D62-4C4C-B9D2-9C1F417720A0@eyeballrecords.com> i wish i was on this list last year when i moved my juke. i've been repairing it ever since! On May 8, 2009, at 10:41 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > I would remove all records--and set the "load-play" switch to > "load". Tie a string between the pop meter reset arm and the basket > so it can not turn, or bang against the backstops. > Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, John Robertson wrote: > > > From: John Robertson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Moving a Wurli > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 5:53 PM > > > Ssg Rich Myers wrote: >> Weather has finally provided a weekend to move the 3010 to the >> inlaws house. >> It will be transported in the back of my PU truck. Strapped down. >> Other >> than the mech deck, what else should I look to secure for the 1.5 >> hour >> trip? Anyone have any moving experience? >> >> >> Thanks again >> >> >> Rich >> > > Make sure all selections are cleared in case the carousel turns... > > An old sleeping bag jammed in to keep the records from flying around > also helps. Make sure the amp and control centers are locked down. > > John :-#)# > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they > just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 eyeballl records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ 07436 http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com eyeball records | el presidente paper tiger llc | janitor w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work product. 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From stamann at jukebox-world.de Sat May 9 01:46:17 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Sat May 9 01:48:49 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox Message-ID: Hello Ron, I think there is no better way to read about Jensen Denmark when visiting this site: www.juke-box.dk >>>> Danish Jukebox Production About in the middle of that page Gert Almind tells the Jensen history and two possible reasons for the relationship between AMI and Jensen Denmark Gert also wrote an article in the "Jukebox Collector" in Dec 1986. Most Jensen models are shown here: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Jensen/Jensen-Uebersicht.htm and this leads also to the .pdf of Gert's Jensen history article from 1986. In short: "Jensen" was the same company both here and in Europe >>> no that was/is involved in many ways,?with audio equipment >>> yes, but not the loudspeaker company Jensen were the "inventors" of the "gripper arm assembly" that AMi used to pick-up records and place them onto the turntable >>> no, as far as I know that "Jensen invented the 200 selection mechanism" that AMi used, and that was the reason for all of the "J" AMi models >>> never heard of that 200 mechanism was built in many countries--including the USA, Netherlands, GB, and?Australia ( or NZ), at one time or another >>> AMIs or AMI mechanisms were produced in many countries under license like Microtechnica Italy, BAL-AMI UK, Marcel Dentzer Ets./AMI S.A. Panama. In Germany Canteen bought the Tonomat company and with model Conti 1 there are also German assembled/produced Conti 1 and 2 around (own ID plate). Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Ron Rich Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 22:45 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox Hi All, What I'm about to write is "hear-say" and MAY be pure B.S., but it is what a couple of "old timers" told me, years ago--- "Jensen" was the same company both here and in Europe, that was/is involved in many ways,?with audio equipment. I?was also told that they were the "inventors" of the "gripper arm assembly" that AMi used to pick-up records and place them onto the turntable. I have also heard that "Jensen invented the 200 selection mechanism" that AMi used, and that was the reason for all of the "J" AMi models.? I was further informed that the 200 mechanism was built in many countries--including the USA, Netherlands, GB, and?Australia ( or NZ), at one time or another. If anyone knows for sure, please let us know as--I've always "wondered"-- Ron Rich ? ? ? ? --- On Fri, 5/8/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 12:14 PM Gentlemen: It's my understanding that the Jensen company (not affiliated with Jensen loudspeakers, a US-based company that supplied speaker components to several juke manufacturers) was an importer for (US manufacturer) AMI jukeboxes into Europe and England in the 50's. I believe that, in order to comply trade agreements, the jukeboxes had to be shipped/assembled in the country that was buying them, and that a certain degree of materials used to fabricate the machine had to be of local origin. This would probably explain the use of the different amp/ speakers than what was seen on the US-based models.???It might explain the styling differences. The brand name used was "Jensen IMA"? for these machines.???I remember reading about this awhile ago.? I believe it was an item in one of Dr Frank Adams' jukebox anthology books. Chances are if you visit a classic jukebox website based in the UK or Europe, you'll see more of these unique machines. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZUDLa4DG1n8G7ACIbQQSrpBC2mzVieufcMvQkbTVTZ0shjxMD8uk/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat May 9 08:44:39 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat May 9 08:46:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox Message-ID: <116447.40245.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Like I said--don't know ? They went A-K, 1946 to 1960, > then to the "XJ" series (aka Lyric/Continenal), then, JAL, > JEL, JBM, JAN, JAO---- Ron Rich Ah, I wasn't even thinking of the later models. These three-letter machines were all released after Rowe took over AMI, weren't they? They had the "fourth generation" record changer that was designed to take advantage of new manufacturing techniques (stamping and forming instead of casting and machining, etc.). Were the Jensen-badged machines even baing made then? Someone here mentioned that the Jensen company making the jukeboxes was different from the Jensen speaker company, but I noticed in the pictures that the name JENSEN was prominently printed on the magnets of the speakers. As far as I know, most jukebox firms outsourced their speakers. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat May 9 08:46:24 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat May 9 08:48:07 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox Message-ID: <94823.41892.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Stamann wrote: > I think there is no better way to read about Jensen Denmark > when visiting this site: > www.juke-box.dk >>>> Danish > Jukebox Production Great! Thanks for the link. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 9 08:58:03 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 9 08:59:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed nuts Message-ID: <478434.64143.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> They are "one way fasteners" intended for "single use"--but you can sometimes save them, as you have found out--enjoy ! Ron Rich --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed nuts To: "Jukebox List" Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 7:57 PM I'm pulling apart a Seeburg A and am wondering, what's the best way to remove the so-called "speed nuts" used on the metal posts to hold things like glass brackets in place?? I've got some off, but it's been a chore. Either these are single-use pieces (meant to be replaced when removed) or I'm doing something really wrong. Any tips? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 9 09:02:58 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 9 09:04:42 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox Message-ID: <103463.725.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hildegard, Thanks for the info . Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Stamann wrote: From: Stamann Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 1:46 AM Hello Ron, I think there is no better way to read about Jensen Denmark when visiting this site: www.juke-box.dk???>>>> Danish Jukebox Production About in the middle of that page Gert Almind tells the Jensen history and two possible reasons for the relationship between AMI and Jensen Denmark Gert also wrote an article in the "Jukebox Collector" in Dec 1986. Most Jensen models are shown here: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Jensen/Jensen-Uebersicht.htm and this leads also to the .pdf of Gert's Jensen history article from 1986. In short: "Jensen" was the same company both here and in Europe >>> no that was/is involved in many ways,?with audio equipment???>>> yes, but not the loudspeaker company Jensen were the "inventors" of the "gripper arm assembly" that AMi used to pick-up records and place them onto the turntable???>>> no, as far as I know that "Jensen invented the 200 selection mechanism" that AMi used, and that was the reason for all of the "J" AMi models >>> never heard of that 200 mechanism was built in many countries--including the USA, Netherlands, GB, and?Australia ( or NZ), at one time or another? ? >>> AMIs or AMI mechanisms were produced in many countries under license like Microtechnica Italy, BAL-AMI UK, Marcel Dentzer Ets./AMI S.A. Panama. In Germany Canteen bought the Tonomat company and with model Conti 1 there are also German assembled/produced Conti 1 and 2 around (own ID plate). Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Ron Rich Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 22:45 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox Hi All, What I'm about to write is "hear-say" and MAY be pure B.S., but it is what a couple of "old timers" told me, years ago--- "Jensen" was the same company both here and in Europe, that was/is involved in many ways,?with audio equipment. I?was also told that they were the "inventors" of the "gripper arm assembly" that AMi used to pick-up records and place them onto the turntable. I have also heard that "Jensen invented the 200 selection mechanism" that AMi used, and that was the reason for all of the "J" AMi models.? I was further informed that the 200 mechanism was built in many countries--including the USA, Netherlands, GB, and?Australia ( or NZ), at one time or another. If anyone knows for sure, please let us know as--I've always "wondered"-- Ron Rich ? ? ? ? --- On Fri, 5/8/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 12:14 PM Gentlemen: It's my understanding that the Jensen company (not affiliated with Jensen loudspeakers, a US-based company that supplied speaker components to several juke manufacturers) was an importer for (US manufacturer) AMI jukeboxes into Europe and England in the 50's. I believe that, in order to comply trade agreements, the jukeboxes had to be shipped/assembled in the country that was buying them, and that a certain degree of materials used to fabricate the machine had to be of local origin. This would probably explain the use of the different amp/ speakers than what was seen on the US-based models.???It might explain the styling differences. The brand name used was "Jensen IMA"? for these machines.???I remember reading about this awhile ago.? I believe it was an item in one of Dr Frank Adams' jukebox anthology books. Chances are if you visit a classic jukebox website based in the UK or Europe, you'll see more of these unique machines. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZUDLa4DG1n8G7ACIbQQSrpBC2mzVieufcMvQkbTVTZ0shjxMD8uk/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From EJoh100112 at aol.com Sat May 9 09:11:32 2009 From: EJoh100112 at aol.com (EJoh100112@aol.com) Date: Sat May 9 09:20:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed nuts Message-ID: If you have access to a small hardware store they can order these for you. A lot easier than trying to salvage the old ones. Be sure to specify push nuts not speed nuts. Speed nuts have a tapered hole for threaded screws. They will not work to push on. Ed In a message dated 5/9/2009 9:00:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: They are "one way fasteners" intended for "single use"--but you can sometimes save them, as you have found out--enjoy ! Ron Rich --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed nuts To: "Jukebox List" Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 7:57 PM I'm pulling apart a Seeburg A and am wondering, what's the best way to remove the so-called "speed nuts" used on the metal posts to hold things like glass brackets in place? I've got some off, but it's been a chore. Either these are single-use pieces (meant to be replaced when removed) or I'm doing something really wrong. Any tips? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823232x1201398636/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= May5909footerNO62) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 9 09:31:44 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 9 09:33:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed nuts Message-ID: <341622.97773.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Push nuts, I believe were first made by the "Tinnerman" C--hence aka, as "Tinnerman nuts". "Screw on" type " , were developed by Mr. Rockola ( Yep--same one),, and he called them "Pal Nuts"--Company also had the same name, and I think is still in buz--- Ron Rich ? --- On Sat, 5/9/09, EJoh100112@aol.com wrote: From: EJoh100112@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speed nuts To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:11 AM If you have access to a small hardware store they can order these for you.? A lot easier than trying to salvage the old ones. Be sure to specify push nuts? not speed nuts. Speed nuts have a tapered hole for threaded screws. They will? not work to push on. Ed In a message dated 5/9/2009 9:00:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,? ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: They are? "one way fasteners" intended for "single use"--but you can sometimes save? them, as you have found out--enjoy ! Ron Rich --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Scott? Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings? Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed nuts To:? "Jukebox List" Date: Friday, May 8,? 2009, 7:57 PM I'm pulling apart a Seeburg A and am wondering,? what's the best way to remove the so-called "speed nuts" used on the metal? posts to hold things like glass brackets in place?? I've got some off,? but it's been a chore. Either these are single-use pieces (meant to be? replaced when removed) or I'm doing something really wrong. Any? tips? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list? mailing? list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing? list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823232x1201398636/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= May5909footerNO62) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From blue.s at att.net Sat May 9 09:53:30 2009 From: blue.s at att.net (blue.s@att.net) Date: Sat May 9 10:00:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C Message-ID: <050920091653.2057.4A05B50A0006C7920000080922230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9CD20A9A040D@att.net> Hello everyone, new guy here. I have recently purchased a 100C and am going to pick it up tomorrow, about a 550 mi roundtrip. I rented a 4 x 8 U haul trailer and now realize that it is too short, height-wise. The inside trailer height is 48" and I see in the manual that the jukebox is 54" high. Question is, is it OK to transport on its back, if so, what do I need to do to to prep for that? Problem is that the U Haul dealer is closed for the weekend so I can't go back and trade up for a bigger trailer. I know what you're thinking - this guy's not too bright (mostly true I guess). Anyway I would appreciate any advice you can give me on this. Steve From DriveInFleaMarket at verizon.net Sat May 9 10:47:51 2009 From: DriveInFleaMarket at verizon.net (DriveInFleaMarket) Date: Sat May 9 10:49:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C In-Reply-To: <050920091653.2057.4A05B50A0006C7920000080922230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9CD20A9A040D@att.net> References: <050920091653.2057.4A05B50A0006C7920000080922230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9CD20A9A040D@att.net> Message-ID: <4A05C1C7.1090902@verizon.net> blue.s@att.net wrote: > Hello everyone, new guy here. > > I have recently purchased a 100C and am going to pick it up tomorrow, about a 550 mi roundtrip. > > I rented a 4 x 8 U haul trailer and now realize that it is too short, height-wise. The inside trailer height is 48" and I see in the manual that the jukebox is 54" high. > > Question is, is it OK to transport on its back, if so, what do I need to do to to prep for that? Problem is that the U Haul dealer is closed for the weekend so I can't go back and trade up for a bigger trailer. > > I know what you're thinking - this guy's not too bright (mostly true I guess). > > Anyway I would appreciate any advice you can give me on this. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > The manual says NOT to transport on it's back and I would agree, however, I transported my 100C when I purchased it simply because I didnt know any better and the person that sold it to me didn't either. If I had no choice I would disconnect and slide out the mechanism - it's easy to do. If you do remove the mech make sure you dont break off the tab (switch) that hangs down on the front of the mech. I would also make sure the glass cover is protected. I was lucky and nothing "bad" happened but then again, I had mine rebuilt after the purchase. From berrycbell at gmail.com Sat May 9 10:59:20 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sat May 9 11:01:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C In-Reply-To: <050920091653.2057.4A05B50A0006C7920000080922230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9CD20A9A040D@att.net> References: <050920091653.2057.4A05B50A0006C7920000080922230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9CD20A9A040D@att.net> Message-ID: Steve, I have transported more than a 100 jukeboxes on their back and never once had a problem. The mechanism must be secured, back door locked, all loose items secured. It's not the preferred method, but I have never had an issue. Berry Bell On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:53 AM, wrote: > Hello everyone, new guy here. > > I have recently purchased a 100C and am going to pick it up tomorrow, about > a 550 mi roundtrip. > > I rented a 4 x 8 U haul trailer and now realize that it is too short, > height-wise. The inside trailer height is 48" and I see in the manual that > the jukebox is 54" high. > > Question is, is it OK to transport on its back, if so, what do I need to do > to to prep for that? Problem is that the U Haul dealer is closed for the > weekend so I can't go back and trade up for a bigger trailer. > > I know what you're thinking - this guy's not too bright (mostly true I > guess). > > Anyway I would appreciate any advice you can give me on this. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Sat May 9 11:08:07 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat May 9 11:09:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed nuts In-Reply-To: <1998741918-1241837849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-32793035-@bxe1086.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1998741918-1241837849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-32793035-@bxe1086.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4A05C687.6000203@telus.net> Scott Cummings wrote: > I'm pulling apart a Seeburg A and am wondering, what's the best way to remove the so-called "speed nuts" used on the metal posts to hold things like glass brackets in place? I've got some off, but it's been a chore. Either these are single-use pieces (meant to be replaced when removed) or I'm doing something really wrong. Any tips? > > These push clips are also available from Victory Glass (if you are ordering other stuff). The easiest way to remove these is to use a tiny blade screwdriver (or heavy duty dental probe) to bend the tiny flaps that dig into the metal/plastic pin that the speed clip is holding. If done carefully you can reuse the cliip by bending the flap back! Trying to pull them off can/will lead to grief. You can 'unscrew' them if you grip the body of the clip with a pair of pliers (not needlenose) and turn counter-clockwise. However if this is done on plastic (or soft metal) it can score or break the pin. I prefer to pry the flap... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From edbap at aol.com Sat May 9 11:28:30 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Sat May 9 11:36:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C In-Reply-To: <4A05C1C7.1090902@verizon.net> References: <050920091653.2057.4A05B50A0006C7920000080922230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9CD20A9A040D@att.net> <4A05C1C7.1090902@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8CB9EEB162F8229-FA0-2D90@WEBMAIL-DZ11.sysops.aol.com> Just borrow a PT Cruiser from a friend, take out the back seats, and slide it in on its back.? Works! Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: DriveInFleaMarket To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 9 May 2009 10:47 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C blue.s@att.net wrote:? > Hello everyone, new guy here.? >? > I have recently purchased a 100C and am going to pick it up tomorrow, about a 550 mi roundtrip.? >? > I rented a 4 x 8 U haul trailer and now realize that it is too short, height-wise. The inside trailer height is 48" and I see in the manual that the jukebox is 54" high.? >? > Question is, is it OK to transport on its back, if so, what do I need to do to to prep for that? Problem is that the U Haul dealer is closed for the weekend so I can't go back and trade up for a bigger trailer.? >? > I know what you're thinking - this guy's not too bright (mostly true I guess).? >? > Anyway I would appreciate any advice you can give me on this.? >? > Steve? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? >? > The manual says NOT to transport on it's back and I would agree, however, I transported my 100C when I purchased it simply because I didnt know any better and the person that sold it to me didn't either. If I had no choice I would disconnect and slide out the mechanism - it's easy to do. If you do remove the mech make sure you dont break off the tab (switch) that hangs down on the front of the mech. I would also make sure the glass cover is protected. I was lucky and nothing "bad" happened but then again, I had mine rebuilt after the purchase.? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 9 12:11:03 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 9 12:12:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C Message-ID: <886901.96898.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> New Guy, Go to?Home Depot and purchase a "Saws All ". Then use it to cut the roof off that trailer ! ( U-Haul should not care, after all you are adding value to it as it now can carry higher stuff !)-- After you reject that idea, what you SHOULD do is remove the mechanism from the cabinet, make sure ALL doors are locked, and transport it in two sections.? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/9/09, DriveInFleaMarket wrote: From: DriveInFleaMarket Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 10:47 AM blue.s@att.net wrote: > Hello everyone, new guy here. > > I have recently purchased a 100C and am going to pick it up tomorrow, about a 550 mi roundtrip. > > I rented a 4 x 8 U haul trailer and now realize that it is too short, height-wise. The inside trailer height is 48" and I see in the manual that the jukebox is 54" high. > > Question is, is it OK to transport on its back, if so, what do I need to do to to prep for that? Problem is that the U Haul dealer is closed for the weekend so I can't go back and trade up for a bigger trailer. > > I know what you're thinking - this guy's not too bright (mostly true I guess). > > Anyway I would appreciate any advice you can give me on this. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >??? The manual says NOT to transport on it's back and I would agree, however, I transported my 100C when I purchased it simply because I didnt know any better and the person that sold it to me didn't either. If I had no choice I would disconnect and slide out the mechanism - it's easy to do. If you do remove the mech make sure you dont break off the tab (switch) that hangs down on the front of the mech.? I would also make sure the glass cover is protected. I was lucky and nothing "bad" happened but then again, I had mine rebuilt after the purchase. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 9 12:18:15 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 9 12:26:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C Message-ID: <472051.62992.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sorry Guy's but I "GOTTA"?STRONGLY dis agree with this advise--'specially after just spending a whole lotta time "un-bending" a mechanism that was transported that way. I too have seen most of them "make it", but? have also seen way too many that have been badly damaged by doing that !!? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Berry Bell wrote: From: Berry Bell Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 10:59 AM Steve, I have transported more than a 100 jukeboxes on their back and never once had a problem.? The mechanism must be secured, back door locked, all loose items secured.? It's not the preferred method, but I have never had an issue. Berry Bell On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:53 AM, wrote: > Hello everyone, new guy here. > > I have recently purchased a 100C and am going to pick it up tomorrow, about > a 550 mi roundtrip. > > I rented a 4 x 8 U haul trailer and now realize that it is too short, > height-wise. The inside trailer height is 48" and I see in the manual that > the jukebox is 54" high. > > Question is, is it OK to transport on its back, if so, what do I need to do > to to prep for that? Problem is that the U Haul dealer is closed for the > weekend so I can't go back and trade up for a bigger trailer. > > I know what you're thinking - this guy's not too bright (mostly true I > guess). > > Anyway I would appreciate any advice you can give me on this. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From DriveInFleaMarket at verizon.net Sat May 9 11:33:10 2009 From: DriveInFleaMarket at verizon.net (DriveInFleaMarket) Date: Sat May 9 12:36:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed nuts In-Reply-To: <4A05C687.6000203@telus.net> References: <1998741918-1241837849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-32793035-@bxe1086.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4A05C687.6000203@telus.net> Message-ID: <4A05CC66.3010908@verizon.net> John Robertson wrote: > Scott Cummings wrote: >> I'm pulling apart a Seeburg A and am wondering, what's the best way >> to remove the so-called "speed nuts" used on the metal posts to hold >> things like glass brackets in place? I've got some off, but it's >> been a chore. Either these are single-use pieces (meant to be >> replaced when removed) or I'm doing something really wrong. Any tips? >> >> > These push clips are also available from Victory Glass (if you are > ordering other stuff). > > The easiest way to remove these is to use a tiny blade screwdriver (or > heavy duty dental probe) to bend the tiny flaps that dig into the > metal/plastic pin that the speed clip is holding. If done carefully > you can reuse the cliip by bending the flap back! > > Trying to pull them off can/will lead to grief. > > You can 'unscrew' them if you grip the body of the clip with a pair of > pliers (not needlenose) and turn counter-clockwise. However if this is > done on plastic (or soft metal) it can score or break the pin. I > prefer to pry the flap... > > John :-#)# > They are manufactured for one time use. From dmcken at accesscomm.ca Sat May 9 11:41:36 2009 From: dmcken at accesscomm.ca (D & D McKen) Date: Sat May 9 12:38:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed nuts In-Reply-To: <341622.97773.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <341622.97773.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A05CE60.4050508@accesscomm.ca> Probably any Automotive supply store would have them as well. Doug Ron Rich wrote: > Push nuts, I believe were first made by the "Tinnerman" C--hence aka, as "Tinnerman nuts". "Screw on" type " , were developed by Mr. Rockola ( Yep--same one),, and he called them "Pal Nuts"--Company also had the same name, and I think is still in buz--- Ron Rich > > > --- On Sat, 5/9/09, EJoh100112@aol.com wrote: > > > From: EJoh100112@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speed nuts > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:11 AM > > > If you have access to a small hardware store they can order these for you. > A lot easier than trying to salvage the old ones. Be sure to specify push > nuts not speed nuts. Speed nuts have a tapered hole for threaded screws. > They will not work to push on. > Ed > > > In a message dated 5/9/2009 9:00:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: > > They are "one way fasteners" intended for "single use"--but you can > sometimes save them, as you have found out--enjoy ! Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Scott Cummings wrote: > > > From: Scott Cummings > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed nuts > To: "Jukebox List" > Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 7:57 PM > > > I'm pulling apart a Seeburg A and am wondering, what's the best way to > remove the so-called "speed nuts" used on the metal posts to hold things like > glass brackets in place? I've got some off, but it's been a chore. Either > these are single-use pieces (meant to be replaced when removed) or I'm > doing something really wrong. Any tips? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823232x1201398636/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > May5909footerNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From maddleso at gmu.edu Sat May 9 12:28:39 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Sat May 9 12:56:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed Nuts - Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <20090509190004.C5646AAE89@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090509190004.C5646AAE89@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: A few weeks ago I had Scott's question and discovered John's answer - a small screwdriver. BUT that only works for the rectangular ones. What about the round ones with all the 'fingers' that grip the posts and keep the classification headings in place on the title strip holder. Trying to get them off, there is no speed but it's enough to drive you nuts. Mark Message: 23 Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 11:08:07 -0700 From: John Robertson These push clips are also available from Victory Glass (if you are ordering other stuff). The easiest way to remove these is to use a tiny blade screwdriver (or heavy duty dental probe) to bend the tiny flaps that dig into the metal/plastic pin that the speed clip is holding. If done carefully you can reuse the cliip by bending the flap back! From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Sat May 9 13:48:39 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Sat May 9 13:50:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp rebuild Message-ID: Hello all, Does anyone know if Jay is still rebuilding amps? He did 2 for me and they were great! I have another one and want it rebuilt as well. If he isn't, does anyone have a reference? thanks Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat May 9 13:59:14 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sat May 9 14:01:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C References: <472051.62992.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0BADEB2BD78B49D3A01721B2E8D1286A@home1903> I wanted to throw in my 2c worth...Ron carefully explained to me how to remove the Mech from the 100C..and believe me...if I can do it...ANYONE can do it. With that removed, not only could I safely transport on it's back but it was WAY lighter to lift. It took about 5 minutes to accomplish...well worth the time. Jackie Dancin' Out ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C Sorry Guy's but I "GOTTA" STRONGLY dis agree with this advise--'specially after just spending a whole lotta time "un-bending" a mechanism that was transported that way. I too have seen most of them "make it", but have also seen way too many that have been badly damaged by doing that !! Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Berry Bell wrote: From: Berry Bell Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 10:59 AM Steve, I have transported more than a 100 jukeboxes on their back and never once had a problem. The mechanism must be secured, back door locked, all loose items secured. It's not the preferred method, but I have never had an issue. Berry Bell On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:53 AM, wrote: > Hello everyone, new guy here. > > I have recently purchased a 100C and am going to pick it up tomorrow, > about > a 550 mi roundtrip. > > I rented a 4 x 8 U haul trailer and now realize that it is too short, > height-wise. The inside trailer height is 48" and I see in the manual that > the jukebox is 54" high. > > Question is, is it OK to transport on its back, if so, what do I need to > do > to to prep for that? Problem is that the U Haul dealer is closed for the > weekend so I can't go back and trade up for a bigger trailer. > > I know what you're thinking - this guy's not too bright (mostly true I > guess). > > Anyway I would appreciate any advice you can give me on this. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat May 9 14:10:48 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat May 9 14:12:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed Nuts References: <20090509190004.C5646AAE89@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <002101c9d0ea$a082a150$6101a8c0@Dirksen> In my opinion, life is too short trying to save them. I cut and twist them off using diagonal cutters. ACE hardware carries many sizes if you don't want to wait on mail order. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Addleson" To: Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed Nuts - Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7 >A few weeks ago I had Scott's question and discovered John's answer - a > small screwdriver. BUT that only works for the rectangular ones. What > about the round ones with all the 'fingers' that grip the posts and keep > the > classification headings in place on the title strip holder. Trying to get > them off, there is no speed but it's enough to drive you nuts. > > Mark > > > Message: 23 > Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 11:08:07 -0700 > From: John Robertson > > These push clips are also available from Victory Glass (if you are > ordering other stuff). > > The easiest way to remove these is to use a tiny blade screwdriver (or > heavy duty dental probe) to bend the tiny flaps that dig into the > metal/plastic pin that the speed clip is holding. If done carefully you > can reuse the cliip by bending the flap back! > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat May 9 14:18:22 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat May 9 14:20:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox References: <116447.40245.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901c9d0eb$afb3add0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> My I200 is actually a model JAI200. I believe the H, I , J, and K models had similar model numbers starting with J. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > >> Like I said--don't know ? They went A-K, 1946 to 1960, >> then to the "XJ" series (aka Lyric/Continenal), then, JAL, >> JEL, JBM, JAN, JAO---- Ron Rich > > Ah, I wasn't even thinking of the later models. These > three-letter machines were all released after Rowe took > over AMI, weren't they? They had the "fourth generation" > record changer that was designed to take advantage of > new manufacturing techniques (stamping and forming > instead of casting and machining, etc.). Were the > Jensen-badged machines even baing made then? > > Someone here mentioned that the Jensen company making > the jukeboxes was different from the Jensen speaker > company, but I noticed in the pictures that the name > JENSEN was prominently printed on the magnets of > the speakers. As far as I know, most jukebox firms > outsourced their speakers. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From joe400f at shaw.ca Sat May 9 15:34:23 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sat May 9 15:41:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed Nuts References: <20090509190004.C5646AAE89@lists.netlojix.com> <002101c9d0ea$a082a150$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <004801c9d0f6$4d6d22e0$3d9c4e18@compaq> I totally agree. Get under one side with a pick or small screwdriver. Grab it with a pair of side cutters and give it a twist. They will crack the one side or in half and come off easily. Home Depot sells all the small sizes. Don't wast time trying to save them. Reinstalling is also easy. Match up a small socket and use an extension as a handle to push them back into place. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speed Nuts > In my opinion, life is too short trying to save them. I cut and twist them > off using diagonal cutters. ACE hardware carries many sizes if you don't > want to wait on mail order. > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Addleson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:28 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speed Nuts - Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7 > > >>A few weeks ago I had Scott's question and discovered John's answer - a >> small screwdriver. BUT that only works for the rectangular ones. What >> about the round ones with all the 'fingers' that grip the posts and keep >> the >> classification headings in place on the title strip holder. Trying to >> get >> them off, there is no speed but it's enough to drive you nuts. >> >> Mark >> >> >> Message: 23 >> Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 11:08:07 -0700 >> From: John Robertson >> >> These push clips are also available from Victory Glass (if you are >> ordering other stuff). >> >> The easiest way to remove these is to use a tiny blade screwdriver (or >> heavy duty dental probe) to bend the tiny flaps that dig into the >> metal/plastic pin that the speed clip is holding. If done carefully you >> can reuse the cliip by bending the flap back! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Sat May 9 18:50:45 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Sat May 9 18:52:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox Message-ID: <946602.99377.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> The Jensen J80H i have in my collection has a goodmans speaker set-up with a beam-echo A3 amplifier... and assembled in Denmark, then crated to NewZealand a real internationa effort.Cheers John --- On Sun, 10/5/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Sunday, 10 May, 2009, 3:44 AM --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Like I said--don't know ?? They went A-K, 1946 to 1960, > then to the "XJ" series (aka Lyric/Continenal), then, JAL, > JEL, JBM, JAN, JAO---- Ron Rich Ah, I wasn't even thinking of the later models.? These three-letter machines were all released after Rowe took over AMI, weren't they?? They had the "fourth generation" record changer that was designed to take advantage of new manufacturing techniques (stamping and forming instead of casting and machining, etc.).? Were the Jensen-badged machines even baing made then? Someone here mentioned that the Jensen company making the jukeboxes was different from the Jensen speaker company, but I noticed in the pictures that the name JENSEN was prominently printed on the magnets of the speakers.? As far as I know, most jukebox firms outsourced their speakers. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat May 9 18:20:27 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat May 9 19:24:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI A colors revisited... Message-ID: <742F582DEDFA4972AD27AC7FEF907BE4@VistaServer> Evening all! I know this subject came up last month, I don't know if there was ever a definite answer, so here goes... I visited with a friend this weekend, he worked for AMI when the A was introduced. I asked him if he knew the original color of the fluorescent tubes, he pulled out a notebook and the list is as follows (per AMI) The top left and right are to be red, center above the title pages standard white left and right sides Yellow. Bottom of title boards was green. The bottom had three options as follows, Green Fluorescents only, standard white with fixed color sheets (economy model) Also motorized color cylinders with white bulbs... Hope this helps.... Mel From jay at west.net Sat May 9 20:02:00 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat May 9 20:03:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] amp rebuild In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A0643A8.1040904@west.net> Bryan Shaw wrote: > Hello all, > > Does anyone know if Jay is still rebuilding amps? He did 2 for me and they were great! I have another one and want it rebuilt as well. If he isn't, does anyone have a reference? Indeed I am. I've been rather busy with the fire in the area this week, both work-related and also providing assistance for friends who have been evacuated. Fortunately it looks like things are winding down. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pat2355 at aol.com Sat May 9 21:58:26 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sat May 9 22:06:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola Jukebox find Message-ID: <8CB9F43168B35E6-2B4-395C@webmail-me10.sysops.aol.com> Just got home from a nice find. Bought 3 1617 remote speakers (from 1959) a 1446 Jukebox and a 1555 Wallbox that unfortunately is missing the pages, has broken glass and is kinda rusty/rough. John, the seller was pretty nice and also happened to have Wurlitzer 2000 original pilaster foils and the right side pilaster. He's still looking for the pilasters for the 1446, but it's nice to find alot of stuff at a fair price.I hadn't seen any actual pictures of the wall speakers, so I'm pretty happy to have found them. Pat From pinball at telus.net Sat May 9 23:56:45 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat May 9 23:58:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C In-Reply-To: <050920091653.2057.4A05B50A0006C7920000080922230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9CD20A9A040D@att.net> References: <050920091653.2057.4A05B50A0006C7920000080922230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF9CD20A9A040D@att.net> Message-ID: <4A067AAD.4010302@telus.net> blue.s@att.net wrote: > Hello everyone, new guy here. > > I have recently purchased a 100C and am going to pick it up tomorrow, about a 550 mi roundtrip. > > I rented a 4 x 8 U haul trailer and now realize that it is too short, height-wise. The inside trailer height is 48" and I see in the manual that the jukebox is 54" high. > > Question is, is it OK to transport on its back, if so, what do I need to do to to prep for that? Problem is that the U Haul dealer is closed for the weekend so I can't go back and trade up for a bigger trailer. > > I know what you're thinking - this guy's not too bright (mostly true I guess). > > Anyway I would appreciate any advice you can give me on this. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > We do transport these machines on their backs for shortish distances (under 50 miles), and for that you need to remove the records, set the mechanism in the middle of the carriage and tighten the four frame shipping bolts. Remove the colour cylinder assemblies. Check that the frame and cabinet are solid - nothing flexs/moves when you try and twist or move the cabinet! When you get to the destination and the machine is placed where it is to be used (machine is unplugged until finished) then remove the upper rear door and check that the selection block is still secured in the "U" arm that sweeps it back and forth under the pinbank. There is a metal spring flap in the "U" - this pushes the selection block against the metal arm to align it properly. Then loosen the shipping bolts, and check that the mechanism has not shifted from where you left it before the move - if it has make sure it appears to be solid on the track - pushing it sideways does not move more than a fraction of an inch, after removing the cover so you don't crack it! If you are moving it more than a short distance then you really want to use the factory shipping bolts or make your own out of a piece of 1/4" threaded rod and a few nuts. Two are needed to screw into the underside of the mechanism through the frame holes (left side of the frame). I have some pictures of an M100A we packed up a few months ago - they will give you some idea of the bolts and their placement. http://flippers.com/JukePinShipping.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sun May 10 01:25:51 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sun May 10 01:27:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI A colors revisited... References: <742F582DEDFA4972AD27AC7FEF907BE4@VistaServer> Message-ID: <44500EBCCF8449059F3FD348C998341F@JUKEBUS> ..Thanks Mel, by chance it looks like I fitted the correct combination! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Knight" To: Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:20 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI A colors revisited... Evening all! I know this subject came up last month, I don't know if there was ever a definite answer, so here goes... I visited with a friend this weekend, he worked for AMI when the A was introduced. I asked him if he knew the original color of the fluorescent tubes, he pulled out a notebook and the list is as follows (per AMI) The top left and right are to be red, center above the title pages standard white left and right sides Yellow. Bottom of title boards was green. The bottom had three options as follows, Green Fluorescents only, standard white with fixed color sheets (economy model) Also motorized color cylinders with white bulbs... Hope this helps.... Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 06:54:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun May 10 06:24:32 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun May 10 06:26:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI A colors revisited... Message-ID: <411927.84038.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Mel Knight wrote: > The top left and right are to be red, center above the > title pages standard white > left and right sides Yellow. Bottom of title boards was > green. Interesting that so many of the original colors survived on mine. The only change was that the bottom tube whad been replaced with a white one. I replaced it with green just because I thought it make a good combination with the other colors. What a lucky guess! :-) I've seen so many pictures of AMI As with blue tubes in the top and/or sides that I'm surpried that that wasn't a standard color. However, mine has a red tube above the title strips. I don't remember if that's one of the tubes I replaced or not. I would think that a white tube there would overpower the colored ones, because there doesn't seem to be anything to direct the light from it downward only. Can someone with a white tube in that position tell me if that's the case? > Hope > this helps.... Mel Very helpful. I'm printing it out and putting it in my manual. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun May 10 08:33:06 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (ronnnrich@yahoo.com) Date: Sun May 10 08:34:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C Message-ID: <327100.79240.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, and all, IMHO, setting the carriage in the "center" of the base frame is one of the worse things that can be done. The base is reinforced at the "A-1" end ( on the "pinbank" style) mechanisms. The center is the weakest portion of the base, and WILL bend. Also, turning the 3, or?4 nuts that hold the base, ALL the way?down, was never intended to be done. The factory ALWAYS shimmed them with a 1/4 inch shim, so that the springs were never?fully compressed. I still strongly suggest that if you need to move a?Seeburg "on it's back" the best thing to do is remove the mechanism--it takes less then 5 minutes, in most cases--the next best is to block and?pack for shipping as per the factory specs--I have written pretty complete instructions, for all models,?in my "Seeburg Mechanism Guide". ?Ron Rich ? --- On Sat, 5/9/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Transporting Seeburg 100C To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 11:56 PM >??? We do transport these machines on their backs for shortish distances (under 50 miles), and for that you need to remove the records, set the mechanism in the middle of the carriage and tighten the four frame shipping bolts. Remove the colour cylinder assemblies. Check that the frame and cabinet are solid - nothing flexs/moves when you try and twist or move the cabinet! When you get to the destination and the machine is placed where it is to be used (machine is unplugged until finished)? then remove the upper rear door and check that the selection block is still secured in the "U" arm that sweeps it back and forth under the pinbank. There is a metal spring flap in the "U" - this pushes the selection block against the metal arm to align it properly. Then loosen the shipping bolts, and check that the mechanism has not shifted from where you left it before the move - if it has make sure it appears to be solid on the track - pushing it sideways does not move more than a fraction of an inch, after removing the cover so you don't crack it! If you are moving it more than a short distance then you really want to use the factory shipping bolts or make your own out of a piece of 1/4" threaded rod and a few nuts. Two are needed to screw into the underside of the mechanism through the frame holes (left side of the frame). I have some pictures of an M100A we packed up a few months ago - they will give you some idea of the bolts and their placement. http://flippers.com/JukePinShipping.html ??????????????? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun May 10 08:44:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun May 10 08:45:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT--Mother's day Message-ID: <617737.73169.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Happy Mother's day to Jackie, and any other Mother, who happens to see this ! Ron Rich From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun May 10 10:30:23 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun May 10 10:33:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola Jukebox find Message-ID: <20090510.133023.24186.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> There is a Canadian fellow advertising on E Bay periodically (about every 3 months,in Collectibles) that he has new-stock replicated pilasters that fit RockOla 1438/1446 models. From his ad,you're left with the impression he has a lot of these to sell. Attractive prices, too. Sorry, I didn't save his posting number. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Start Email Marketing - fast, affordable, and measurable. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRNw2mBr7OXsKzR23KP94xsgFTZmGuqcFmnEJz9VZLenwml4DVeXu/ From stamann at jukebox-world.de Sun May 10 13:42:55 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Sun May 10 13:48:55 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox Message-ID: Hello John, that's intersting as the Beam Echo amplifier is actually the one BAL-AMI (UK) used - not Jensen in Denmark. I do not know about the Goodmans speaker. But as you said - a "real" international effort! Regarding the model types: like someone before said with Model AMI H a three letter code was used probably to separate the different versions: number of selections (100, 120 or 200), manual or electrical selection, mono or stareo and later on to separate beween models with built-in steppper and those without. So with increasing years more options were available, so more different models types there are. E.g. model AMI H has only four but for Model AMI K I found thirteen different ones! AMI H: JAH-200 - Model H200, electrical JBH-120 - Model H120, electrical JCH-100 - Model H100, manual JDH-200 - Model H200, manual AMI K: JAK-200 - Model K200, electrical JBK-120 - Model K120, electrical JCK-100 - Model K100, manual JDK-200 - Model K200, manual JEK-200 - Model K200, electrical, stereo JFK-120 - Model K120, electrical, stereo JGK-100 - Model K100, manual, stereo JHK-200 - Model K200, manual, stereo JJK-200 - Model K200, automatic JKK-200 - Model K200, automatic, stereo JLK-100 - Model K100, automatic JNK-100 - Model K100, automatic, stereo JPK-200 So far I could not find out what JPK-200 is. Maybe somebody knows more? So it is right - after the WWII AMI started with Model A followed by B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J and after Conti 2 they had a L (JAL/JEL), M (JBM), N (JAN) and O (JAO). But what did they do with the models Continental inbetween? Looking at the correct model type it was a four letter code: the Continental 1 did end with an "A" (XJAA, XJBA, XJCA, XJDA, XJEA, XJFA, XJGA and XJHA) and Continental 2 with a B (XJAB ... XJKB). In our serial number database at www.jukebox-world.de/sdb we did list all those model types. The AMI list can be seen here: http://www.jbw-forum.de/sdb/index.php?action=showmodels&id=70 Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von John Wilson Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2009 08:31 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox The Jensen J80H i have in my collection has a goodmans speaker set-up with a beam-echo A3 amplifier... and assembled in Denmark, then crated to NewZealand a real internationa effort.Cheers John --- On Sun, 10/5/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jensen Jukebox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Sunday, 10 May, 2009, 3:44 AM --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Like I said--don't know ?? They went A-K, 1946 to 1960, then to the > "XJ" series (aka Lyric/Continenal), then, JAL, JEL, JBM, JAN, JAO---- > Ron Rich Ah, I wasn't even thinking of the later models.? These three-letter machines were all released after Rowe took over AMI, weren't they?? They had the "fourth generation" record changer that was designed to take advantage of new manufacturing techniques (stamping and forming instead of casting and machining, etc.).? Were the Jensen-badged machines even baing made then? Someone here mentioned that the Jensen company making the jukeboxes was different from the Jensen speaker company, but I noticed in the pictures that the name JENSEN was prominently printed on the magnets of the speakers.? As far as I know, most jukebox firms outsourced their speakers. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun May 10 17:54:29 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun May 10 17:56:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT--Mother's day References: <617737.73169.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <89CEA50BAB374E299335C1F9D91F5CCF@home1903> Thanks so much Rich...I had a beautiful day with "most" of my kids..some were not available, I realize as they all get older, it's not as easy to get them all in one place...with families in tow! I hope everyone had sun today, Jackie Dancin' Out ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT--Mother's day > Happy Mother's day to Jackie, and any other Mother, who happens to see > this ! > Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Mon May 11 03:56:50 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Mon May 11 04:04:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Juke Service In South Carolina Message-ID: Hi folks! Hope all are well and enjoying the spring. I lost an earlier post regarding information on a juke repairman in South Carolina. I have a 1422 that we just love, but it will not play selection 1 and a couple of the pins do not go in all the way when selecting certain songs. I would appreciate any information that anyone may have on service in my area. Thanks much! Brantley Williston, S.C. From pinball at telus.net Mon May 11 07:19:37 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon May 11 07:21:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Juke Service In South Carolina In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A0833F9.3010008@telus.net> Kuglarb@wmconnect.com wrote: > Hi folks! Hope all are well and enjoying the spring. I lost an earlier > post regarding information on a juke repairman in South Carolina. I have a > 1422 that we just love, but it will not play selection 1 and a couple of the > pins do not go in all the way when selecting certain songs. > > I would appreciate any information that anyone may have on service in my > area. Thanks much! > > Brantley > Williston, S.C. > _______________________________________________ > Incomplete list of jukebox repair people: http://flippers.com/jukebox_service.html See if there is anyone close there... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon May 11 07:42:27 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon May 11 07:45:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Juke Service In South Carolina Message-ID: <20090511.104227.13256.1@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Hello: About a month ago, someone posted a request for in-home jukebox service in S. Carolina. I put up a post noting that Jukebox Collector magazine periodically publishes a directory of independent service/restoration technicians that are willing to provide service to others. There is one name listed for S. Carolina. I'm a jukebox tech located in suburban Atlanta, GA. You'd probably be better served by working with someone near you. There is a listing for a James Ward in Greenwood, SC as a classic jukebox tech that will travel somewhat to make service calls. The phone no. in the 1-line listing is 864-980-6797. No other info is given for James Ward in the listing published in Jan '09. Hope this helps, JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Easy-to-use, advanced features, flexible phone systems. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdhtPE7LnZmodsuspxMnXhDTzu8utdWXbISl0rEuOV0iaBjchTU7u/ From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon May 11 16:04:11 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon May 11 16:13:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 intermittent readout problem Message-ID: My 222 has developed a problem where when I first turn it on after allowing 1 minute for warmup it will scan twice and stop when the first record is selected. I know its a readout problem because I can flip the service switch and make it scan again and it will pick the selected record up after 2 times of flipping the service switch.Then the 2nd record it might take it or require me to scan again. Gradually improving if I keep on playing records.I think I remember letting it sit on and it did after sitting on and not playing also. The only warning it was going to do this was it wouldn't pick the first record on the 1st scan but always on the 2nd for a long time,then play all other records fine until this happened. The resistor and cap in the pulse amp has been changed but the selection receiver has not been rebuilt(shame on me) Does this sound like caps or do I have other issues also? I'm getting ready to order the cap kit as I write this...lol. J.C. p.s. This morning I selected a record and the keys stayed locked down and nothing happened. then after powering off and on the selections were fine.Any ideas what that was going on there?Dirty contacts? All this after 2 years of perfect operation.Guess I've got away as long as I could before finishing the rebuild on the old girl that the previous guy didn't complete.Might go ahead and do the mech cleanup too. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585010x1201462743/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51109NO62) From pinball at telus.net Mon May 11 16:33:20 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon May 11 16:35:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 intermittent readout problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A08B5C0.3070402@telus.net> Perhaps if you let it warm up for five minutes it will work OK? Even if that is the case, then you should rebuild the selection receiver if it is still factory original as the old caps might take out a transformer... John :-#)# Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > My 222 has developed a problem where when I first turn it on after > allowing 1 minute for warmup it will scan twice and stop when the first record is > selected. I know its a readout problem because I can flip the service switch > and make it scan again and it will pick the selected record up after 2 > times of flipping the service switch.Then the 2nd record it might take it or > require me to scan again. Gradually improving if I keep on playing > records.I think I remember letting it sit on and it did after sitting on and not > playing also. > > The only warning it was going to do this was it wouldn't pick the first > record on the 1st scan but always on the 2nd for a long time,then play all > other records fine until this happened. > > The resistor and cap in the pulse amp has been changed but the selection > receiver has not been rebuilt(shame on me) Does this sound like caps or do > I have other issues also? I'm getting ready to order the cap kit as I write > this...lol. > > J.C. > > p.s. This morning I selected a record and the keys stayed locked down and > nothing happened. then after powering off and on the selections were > fine.Any ideas what that was going on there?Dirty contacts? > All this after 2 years of perfect operation.Guess I've got away as long as > I could before finishing the rebuild on the old girl that the previous guy > didn't complete.Might go ahead and do the mech cleanup too. > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585010x1201462743/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May > Excfooter51109NO62) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon May 11 16:48:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon May 11 16:50:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 intermittent readout problem Message-ID: <658555.91148.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Which "222" do you have ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 intermittent readout problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 4:04 PM My 222 has developed a problem where when I first turn it on after? allowing 1 minute for warmup it will scan twice and stop when the first record? is selected. I know its a readout problem because I can flip the service switch and make it scan again and it will pick the selected record up after 2 times of? flipping the service switch.Then the 2nd record it might? take it or? require me to scan again. Gradually improving if I keep on playing records.I? think I remember letting it sit on and it did after sitting on and not playing? also. The only warning it was going to do this was it wouldn't pick the first? record on the 1st scan but always on the 2nd for a long time,then play all other? records fine until this happened. The resistor and cap in the pulse amp has been changed but the? selection receiver has not been rebuilt(shame on me) Does this sound like caps? or do I have other issues also? I'm getting ready to order the cap kit as I? write this...lol. J.C. p.s. This morning I selected a record and the keys stayed locked down and? nothing happened. then after powering off and on the selections were fine.Any? ideas what that was going on there?Dirty contacts? All this after 2 years of perfect operation.Guess I've got away as long as? I could before finishing the rebuild on the old girl that the previous guy? didn't complete.Might go ahead and do the mech cleanup? too. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585010x1201462743/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51109NO62) From glyn at glynmorgan0.orangehome.co.uk Tue May 12 04:51:58 2009 From: glyn at glynmorgan0.orangehome.co.uk (glyn morgan) Date: Tue May 12 05:08:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <1754411.2768181242129118250.JavaMail.www@wwinf3715> hi ?got a nsm consul 120, i need a pot to make up a volume control. At the moment it has a 20k pot which seems too fine an adjustment, ie very slight movement alters volume a lot. It has the 35M amp fitted. Is this a fairly weak amp as compared to my sps2 seeburg it doesnt sound great. Any help much appreciated. ?thanks ?? Glyn From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue May 12 07:53:11 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue May 12 07:54:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 intermittent readout problem Message-ID: <734524.92962.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> JC, On the keyboard problem--check the "start" and "hold" switches in the TES, and the NC contact in the DPU timing relay--either is the "usual suspect"-- On the non selection problem, I would check the pins that ride under the TMU, to be sure that they are not "cupped", and that there still is silver left on them.? Might also check out the detent switch--not? burned--silver left on contacts--adjusted per manual? Ron? Rich --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 intermittent readout problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 4:59 PM Seeburg 222 DH J.C. In a message dated 5/11/2009 7:50:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: Which? "222" do you have ?? Ron? Rich **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585010x1201462743/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51109NO62) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Tue May 12 08:42:43 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Tue May 12 08:44:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Remove front trimming Wurlitzer 2300 Message-ID: <513284.62854.qm@web45708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello everyone! I bought a new front grille for my Wurlitzer 2300. To attach it I have to remove the front trimming of the jukebox (the chrome strips etc.). I have found two screws on the inside of the cabinet which supposedly correspond to the "W" on the grille. As far as the strips are concerned: does anyone know how to remove these without damaging them? How are they attached to the cabinet? Thanks for any ideas! Hans From srice3 at cfl.rr.com Tue May 12 19:21:34 2009 From: srice3 at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Rice) Date: Tue May 12 19:22:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 488 Message-ID: <2C26559228C14824AAA69016EA11A5EE@yourguessing> Anybody know what wall boxes work with the Rockola 488? Thanks for any ideas. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not use or circulate this e-mail transmission in the absence of explicit written permission from the original sender. Its contents are privileged and confidential, and are meant for use only by the named addressee(s) or entity. 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It also has a support for a wallbox. http://cgi.ebay.com/1950s-AMI-JUKEBOX-WALLBOX-WQ-200-ON-FLOOR-SPEAKER-NICE_W0QQitemZ320370911727QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a979829ef&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 Joey McDonald From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Wed May 13 16:22:18 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed May 13 16:23:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unusual AMI speaker stand Message-ID: <494378.4879.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Looks like its home built but still none the less nice Looking. I have a pair of trapazoid speakers.. the most unusual speakers I have ever seen. definately the 50's look. I might sell em on Ebay. They are done really nice and have a black high gloss formica on them. ? Tony --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unusual AMI speaker stand To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:10 PM Has anyone ever seen a wallbox/ speaker stand like this????Looks pretty good actually. It has lighting top and bottom. The speaker is kinda small.? It also has a support for a wallbox. http://cgi.ebay.com/1950s-AMI-JUKEBOX-WALLBOX-WQ-200-ON-FLOOR-SPEAKER-NICE_W0QQitemZ320370911727QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a979829ef&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed May 13 20:22:00 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed May 13 20:23:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unusual AMI speaker stand Message-ID: <902549.38829.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Joey McDonald wrote: > Has anyone ever seen a wallbox/ > speaker stand like this? Looks pretty good > actually. The painted finish looks a little like AMIs coral speckle paint job, but the treatment on the end panels doesn't look like anything from AMI. Also, no accoustic engineer wirth his salt would make a speaker cabinet with the back totally open. A cabinet that size would provide a lot of resonance if the audio was directed out the front. As it is, it just dissipates. Although the pictures are selective in what they show, there doesn't appear to be a transformer to step down the 70V audio to something that an 8 ohm speaker can handle. I'd guess this is either the work of a handyman, or maybe some cut-rate aftermarket product, not even up to WICO standards. But, as always, I'm open to being proven wrong. From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu May 14 04:53:56 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu May 14 04:55:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi and the new Star Trek movie Message-ID: <002a01c9d48a$a9d47be0$fd7d73a0$@net> Went to see Star Trek yesterday. I was delighted to see an AMi Continental still on location in the 23rd century. I think it was a Conti 2, but didn't get a real good look at it. For those looking, it is in the bar scene where Kirk is getting beat up really bad. It is an a couple of those scenes, but flashes by quickly. Rich From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu May 14 08:10:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu May 14 08:12:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi and the new Star Trek movie Message-ID: <481788.47848.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, Green colored, with a "star" on the grill,?is Conti 1. ?Red, no star,?it's a -2. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi and the new Star Trek movie To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:53 AM Went to see Star Trek yesterday.? I was delighted to see an AMi Continental still on location in the 23rd century.? I think it was a Conti 2,? but didn't get a real good look at it.? For those looking,? it is in the bar scene where Kirk is getting beat up really bad.? It is an a couple of those scenes,? but flashes by quickly. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu May 14 08:36:08 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu May 14 08:37:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi and the new Star Trek movie In-Reply-To: <481788.47848.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <481788.47848.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501c9d4a9$b44f0990$1ced1cb0$@net> It flashes by so quickly in the scenes it's hard to tell. I believe I saw more red....so Conti 2? Maybe someone with better eyes can tell. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:11 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi and the new Star Trek movie Rich, Green colored, with a "star" on the grill,?is Conti 1. ?Red, no star,?it's a -2. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi and the new Star Trek movie To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:53 AM Went to see Star Trek yesterday.? I was delighted to see an AMi Continental still on location in the 23rd century.? I think it was a Conti 2,? but didn't get a real good look at it.? For those looking,? it is in the bar scene where Kirk is getting beat up really bad.? It is an a couple of those scenes,? but flashes by quickly. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/14/09 06:28:00 From s.cummings at comcast.net Thu May 14 08:39:41 2009 From: s.cummings at comcast.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Thu May 14 08:47:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Message-ID: <000001c9d4aa$33843140$9a8c93c0$@cummings@comcast.net> Ok, I need someone to talk to me like I'm a moron (shouldn't be hard, my wife does it all the time.) I think I need a little primer on needles and the differences between them as well as mono and stereo types. I'm finally making progress on my M100A (I know, a real pain to deal with, but it's been in the family since new.) It was refitted with a 45rpm upgrade kit back in the day. I guess my question is - if I want to continue running 45s (yes) and maximize the sound quality from my box, AND not destroy my records...what is the best path to follow? I've read about replacing the entire tonearm, maybe using a different amp, even adding speakers (ugh!). I want to maintain some sense of original equipment, but not at the cost of limiting my record selection and/or compromising the sound quality to the point of an old Victrola. Feel free to slap me across the face, I fully admit that I am not the most educated in this area. Thanks everyone! From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu May 14 09:13:11 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu May 14 09:14:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Message-ID: <944539.6424.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, I "feel for you"--not only because your wife mis-treats you, but also because you are in between a "rock and a hard place" with what you want to do--- Unfortunately, the model "A" was NOT designed to EVER play 45's. The "conversions" were just that, conversions, NOT Seeburg designed,?to avoid having to purchase a real 45 rpm machine. In those days, an operator converted them and little attention was paid to the needle pressure, and needle size, as records were considered "replaceable". Today, however, records are important. That being said, your problem is now two fold. How do you keep the "10 pound" needle pressure from digging out the records? ?Well, sad news is that in order for that mechanism to operate the "shift function" of the cradle, it requires that the spring tension be high, making it impossible to set the needle pressure where it won't affect the records. (Fortunately, Seeburg re-designed the shift function for the 45rpm player, so that needle pressure settings are independent of shift operation) Also, you have the fact that there were two different "sized" grooves used on 45 rpm records. This is not to hard to solve, depending on which "conversion cart." was used. Purchase "stereo" needles for it-- As for "other tone arms"--I ain't never seen one offered, and anyway, as explained above, just changing the tone arm, won't change the need for the "stiff" springs. My advise ? Play only mono records that you don't care that much about on the "A". Ron Rich --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 8:39 AM Ok, I need someone to talk to me like I'm a moron (shouldn't be hard, my wife does it all the time.)? I think I need a little primer on needles and the differences between them as well as mono and stereo types.? I'm finally making progress on my M100A (I know, a real pain to deal with, but it's been in the family since new.)? It was refitted with a 45rpm upgrade kit back in the day.? I guess my question is - if I want to continue running 45s (yes) and maximize the sound quality from my box, AND not destroy my records...what is the best path to follow?? I've read about replacing the entire tonearm, maybe using a different amp, even adding speakers (ugh!).? I want to maintain some sense of original equipment, but not at the cost of limiting my record selection and/or compromising the sound quality to the point of an old Victrola.? Feel free to slap me across the face, I fully admit that I am not the most educated in this area. Thanks everyone! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu May 14 12:59:56 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu May 14 13:01:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi and the new Star Trek movie Message-ID: <345975.78884.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Green colored, with a "star" on the grill,?is Conti 1. > ?Red, no star,?it's a -2. The red ones always get killed when they beam down to a planet. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu May 14 13:07:24 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu May 14 13:09:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Message-ID: <819010.10071.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Scott Cummings wrote: > It was refitted with a > 45rpm upgrade kit back in > the day.? I guess my question is - if I want to > continue running 45s (yes) > and maximize the sound quality from my box, AND not destroy > my > records...what is the best path to follow?? The original "blackhead" cartridge will be very hard on stereo records because it has no vertical compliance. I have no idea if an aftermarket stereo-compatible pickup was produced. The M100-A uses the same styli as the M100-B when playing 45s. Nominally 1 mil instead of 3 mil for 78s, but there's really no such thing as a "stereo" stylus. > I've read > about replacing the > entire tonearm, maybe using a different amp, even adding > speakers (ugh!). There is no reason in the world to even consider replacing the amp. As far as adding remote speakers, that's easy to do. >? I > want to maintain some sense of original equipment, but not > at the cost of > limiting my record selection and/or compromising the sound > quality to the point of an old Victrola.? You will be limited to monaural records (or sacrificial stereo records) if you use the original pickup. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu May 14 15:07:59 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu May 14 15:10:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Message-ID: <20090514.180759.6124.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I'm aware that there is (was?) a Thorpe stereo-conversion cartridge built specifically for the Seeburg A that was targeted to users that wanted to modify their model A's to play 10" and 12" LP's. Like the other Thorpe cartridges, this was a modified turn-over ceramic element cartridge that is probably more compromised in audio performance than the mono magnetic model supplied with the machine. It wil be friendly with stereo records with it's .7 mil stylii and a somewhat lighter touch. All of the mechanical tone arm limitations that Ron Rich mentioned still will have to be dealt with. If playing 7" records on an A ,a cartridge mount off-set (usually a part in the old aftermarket 45 conversion kits) might be needed. There's a question whether or not this particular Thorpe will fit the Wico offset. The mono sound performance of a ceramic cartridge will be enhanced with the Seeburg A amp if a few minor modifications (3 resistors) are made to the phono input ckt. to properly load the ceramic cartridge. The amp input comes equipped to load a 47K ohm mag cartridge. (the blackhead) The Seeburg A amp and it's 15" field coil speaker are capable of reasonably-decent audio performance if in good condition and working properly. I've seen a bunch of the early 45 stereo ceramic conversion cartridges (Wico?) installed in 50's model 45 Seeburgs that sounded poor because this step (amp input modification) wasn't taken. I'm under the impression that the later model ceramic conversion carts. came equipped with a matching network built into the cartridge base. This is one of the reasons that the original redhead cartridge (for 45's) sounded better, despite it's stereo tracking limitations. The last place I saw this Thorpe model A cartridge being offered was Victory Glass---not sure if it's currently available or whether you'll have to hunt for old stock. Just letting you know that there is another cartridge choice for the model A that might help address this issue. Maybe others on this forum have had hands-on experience with this modified setup. 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Click now for a great laminating machine! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYUBaYDIYWAAGeLMTu9PdLhn6dZWAHyG9n4IZRa5Qc4valzuoFLqaU/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu May 14 15:26:07 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu May 14 15:27:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi and the new Star Trek movie In-Reply-To: <345975.78884.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <345975.78884.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004a01c9d4e2$fa818760$ef849620$@net> David.....THAT was classic....only wish I thought of it (:-)> -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:00 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi and the new Star Trek movie --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Green colored, with a "star" on the grill,?is Conti 1. > ?Red, no star,?it's a -2. The red ones always get killed when they beam down to a planet. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/14/09 06:28:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu May 14 16:02:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu May 14 16:04:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi and the new Star Trek movie Message-ID: <628899.46904.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Oh man,, Now you tell me ! --- On Thu, 5/14/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi and the new Star Trek movie To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 12:59 PM --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Green colored, with a "star" on the grill,?is Conti 1. > ?Red, no star,?it's a -2. The red ones always get killed when they beam down to a planet. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu May 14 16:04:04 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu May 14 16:05:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Message-ID: <997984.99845.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Scott, and others, There are "stereo" needles that can be used in the original pick-up. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 5/14/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:07 PM --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Scott Cummings wrote: > It was refitted with a > 45rpm upgrade kit back in > the day.? I guess my question is - if I want to > continue running 45s (yes) > and maximize the sound quality from my box, AND not destroy > my > records...what is the best path to follow?? The original "blackhead" cartridge will be very hard on stereo records because it has no vertical compliance. I have no idea if an aftermarket stereo-compatible pickup was produced.? The M100-A uses the same styli as the M100-B when playing 45s.? Nominally 1 mil instead of 3 mil for 78s, but there's really no such thing as a "stereo" stylus. > I've read > about replacing the > entire tonearm, maybe using a different amp, even adding > speakers (ugh!). There is no reason in the world to even consider replacing the amp.? As far as adding remote speakers, that's easy to do. >? I > want to maintain some sense of original equipment, but not > at the cost of > limiting my record selection and/or compromising the sound > quality to the point of an old Victrola.? You will be limited to monaural records (or sacrificial stereo records) if you use the original pickup. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu May 14 16:07:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu May 14 16:09:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi and the new Star Trek movie Message-ID: <309537.62338.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> BTW--someone off list just emailed me an upper view of the JB from the movie--it is a -II. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMi and the new Star Trek movie To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 3:26 PM David.....THAT was classic....only wish I thought of it (:-)> -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:00 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi and the new Star Trek movie --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Green colored, with a "star" on the grill,?is Conti 1. > ?Red, no star,?it's a -2. The red ones always get killed when they beam down to a planet. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/14/09 06:28:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Thu May 14 17:35:56 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu May 14 17:37:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Schematic needed for remote volume kit #147 (wurl 1900 - 2200s) Message-ID: <4A0CB8EC.6010801@telus.net> Looking for the kit, or the schematics... Anyone? John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From goldenflash60 at aol.com Thu May 14 17:14:47 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Thu May 14 21:59:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need a player mechanism for a NSM ES3 Jukebox Message-ID: <8CBA3094A65546B-BF4-D68@Webmail-mg21.sim.aol.com> i have a NSM Satellite 200 that i am in need of a player mechanism for.? it also was used in the 240I.? Also, i have extra player units for the ES2 models if anyone needs one.? Thanks, Tom From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri May 15 11:34:34 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri May 15 11:37:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Message-ID: <20090515.143434.21105.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Hello Ron: Somebody is making a .7 mil 45 RPM stylus that will fit a Seeburg blackhead pickup? Do you have any info?. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Paying too much for your home? Click to refinance at a lower rate. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVyYaGasrCRZMY6sQXD4s4pi0aIrA5LUxNb7xA61limulaLfaqGkA/ From jay at west.net Fri May 15 13:09:02 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri May 15 13:10:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles In-Reply-To: <20090515.143434.21105.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090515.143434.21105.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4A0DCBDE.5040902@west.net> James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Ron: > Somebody is making a .7 mil 45 RPM stylus that will fit a Seeburg blackhead pickup? Do you have any info?. There's more to it than just the stylus size. Monaural 45s and most[1] 78s have grooves that are the same depth throughout and move from side to side[2]. The cartridge and stylus suspension on tonearms designed to play these records is designed to move side-to-side in order to track the music, but is "stiff" in the up-and-down direction. Stereo records have each channel cut at a 45-degree angle halfway between side-to-side and up-and-down. The monaural (left plus-right) information mathematically winds up being side-to-side but any stereo difference between left and right results in an up-and-down movement of the stylus. A monaural cartridge, regardless of the stylus size, isn't designed to move freely up-and-down. Free up-and-down movement is called "vertical compliance". Playing stereo records with such a cartridge forces the entire tonearm to try to track the rapid up-and-down groove action of the stereo information. This causes damage to the grooves of the stereo record. For the Seeburg red-head, a compromise stylus is made with a small L-bend to allow more "give" in the vertical direction. This isn't as good as a cartridge/stylus system designed for stereo in the first place but is better than the straight "nail" originally supplied with the red-head. I'm not aware of the .7 mil stylus being sold for the black-head but unless it is designed to address the issue of vertical compliance it won't be good for stereo 45s. [1] Thick Edison "Diamond Disk" 78s are cut up-and-down, also called "hill-and-dale". [2] Horizontal and vertical from the viewpoint of the record surface. Seeburgs play records on their side, thus "horizontal" and "vertical get swapped. For this discussion, think of a regular turntable. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri May 15 13:26:19 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri May 15 13:27:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Message-ID: <688528.27398.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: > I'm not aware of the .7 mil stylus being sold for the > black-head but unless it is designed to address the issue of > vertical compliance it won't be good for stereo 45s. I'm not an expert on 45 RPM Seeburgs, but the 45 stylus in the L-shaped bracket made for the M100-B will fit an M100-A cartridge. A set was installed in my M100-A when it was converted to 33 play. The original cardboard packet with the installation "tools" was still in the cash box. From s.cummings at comcast.net Fri May 15 17:12:40 2009 From: s.cummings at comcast.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Fri May 15 17:20:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating In-Reply-To: <672f89080904301941w74733aa9u2d2f9a4abc9227c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <672f89080904301941w74733aa9u2d2f9a4abc9227c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c9d5bb$07d0b9d0$17722d70$@cummings@comcast.net> Ok, so, dropped off my pieces at Courtesy yesterday. They ran one of the aluminum pieces just through their polishing process (like 8 different buffing wheels). Wow! Amazing! The price was...well....not what I expected. I had called Victor 2 years ago and got a price over the phone. My notes were still in my jukebox file and I have $325 for all pieces written down. Seems to have gone up a little since then. $800 without the grill bars. Ouch. But, I guess it has to be done. Now, on to those grill bars. Need your thoughts on this one. Back when I started this endeavor I bought a set of grill strips on eBay (I know, I know) listed as NOS and the seller at the time had great feedback on all jukebox parts. I was suspicious when they arrived, because they had protective plastic on each one. That kind of peel-off stuff that would have been on a whole sheet of metal to protest it during the cutting and forming process type stuff. I just couldn't imagine that was around back in 1949. Maybe it was. Anyhow, strips were packaged well so I tossed them with my other juke parts and left them until I got to that point. Fast forward to yesterday. Pulled one out and started to peel off the white stuff. Seems time had already started the process. The "adhesive" has left marks on the strips. Now, I have to think that this stuff comes off, but I'm afraid to try. It's not sticky, just sort of swirly type water looking marks on the strips. So, I figured "oh well, just get the old ones chromed". Yeah, $40 each. That's $800 for the strips. Not happening. So, I guess I have 2 questions. First, any thoughts on those replacement strips I bought? Think they're really NOS? Any ideas on cleaning them? And what of a whole new set of replacements? A1 has them for $110. That's a lot better than $800. But are they any good? Will the "mirror finish stainless steel" that they're made out of blend with the new chrome that will be all around them? Thanks guys (and Jackie). You've always been a great help as I make my way through my labor of love. Scott -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lajb Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:41 PM To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating I've always dealt with Courtesy, and pleased with the results as well as the turn around time. I took the aluminum frame peices for my Seeburg G glass to a plating shop here in Detroit and had the pieces stripped, polished and re-annodized. I'd have to pull the receipts, I believe it was around $325, but they came back looking factory new. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings at comcast.net Fri May 15 17:20:07 2009 From: s.cummings at comcast.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Fri May 15 17:21:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism repairs Message-ID: <000a01c9d5bc$11dc2da0$359488e0$@cummings@comcast.net> I had sent an email looking for good references for rebuilding/restoring a Seeburg A mech. Didn't get much of a response here so I went looking. Ended up getting referred to a Dan Colabuno in Ohio. Seems to have a pretty good understanding of the challenges of working on an A mech (he even has an A himself). A couple of things. First, has anyone worked with him or had work done by him so I can get a reference. Again, he was very nice on the phone, but that doesn't mean much. And second, he roughly estimated $1,500 to do a restoration and said it would take about a year to get back. Now, I'm up for spending money for a quality job, and this has to be the most complicated part of the whole project, but that seemed too high for me. As I'm piecing together the restoration efforts of this machine I am seriously wondering how anyone can be selling grade 1 restorations for $2500 and $3000 in some cases. Anyone have any suggestions? Mech performs most of its tasks (not all, I said most), and can really benefit from a good cleaning and maybe repainting. $1,500 just seemed a little out of the ballpark. Thanks again. Scott From s.cummings at comcast.net Fri May 15 17:24:53 2009 From: s.cummings at comcast.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Fri May 15 17:26:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles In-Reply-To: <688528.27398.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <688528.27398.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c9d5bc$bc531820$34f94860$@cummings@comcast.net> So, when looking for needles like that, exactly what am I looking for? A lot of what I see are referred to as yellow or blue (based on their appearance, obviously) I'm just making sure that I'm looking for and/or buying the right needles to at least try. From the sounds of what Ron mentioned (.7 mil stylus for stereo records), it seems that would be what I am looking for. Any more info on those Ron? I understand that the very design of the A mech is going to be rough on records. I am not planning on heavy use (at all) nor are any of the records what I would consider antiques, so if they wear then they wear (unless we're talking single-use, then that's not good). I just want to have the maximum number of options when it comes to the records I load and not be limited to 1950s mono 45s. Thanks everyone. Scott -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:26 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: > I'm not aware of the .7 mil stylus being sold for the > black-head but unless it is designed to address the issue of > vertical compliance it won't be good for stereo 45s. I'm not an expert on 45 RPM Seeburgs, but the 45 stylus in the L-shaped bracket made for the M100-B will fit an M100-A cartridge. A set was installed in my M100-A when it was converted to 33 play. The original cardboard packet with the installation "tools" was still in the cash box. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Fri May 15 17:40:19 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri May 15 17:41:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles In-Reply-To: <000f01c9d5bc$bc531820$34f94860$@cummings@comcast.net> References: <688528.27398.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000f01c9d5bc$bc531820$34f94860$@cummings@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A0E0B73.8020902@west.net> Scott Cummings wrote: > So, when looking for needles like that, exactly what am I looking for? A > lot of what I see are referred to as yellow or blue (based on their > appearance, obviously) I'm just making sure that I'm looking for and/or > buying the right needles to at least try. From the sounds of what Ron > mentioned (.7 mil stylus for stereo records), it seems that would be what I > am looking for. Any more info on those Ron? > I understand that the very design of the A mech is going to be rough on > records. I am not planning on heavy use (at all) nor are any of the records > what I would consider antiques, so if they wear then they wear (unless we're > talking single-use, then that's not good). I just want to have the maximum > number of options when it comes to the records I load and not be limited to > 1950s mono 45s. In my opinion, if at all possible, start looking for the parts to put the 100A back on 78s and get a 45-RPM box. Two reasons for this: A Seeburg 100A on 78 is just plain cool beyond belief to watch in action. You and your 45-RPM records will be much happier on a box designed to play them. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Fri May 15 19:05:30 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Fri May 15 19:13:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism repairs Message-ID: Scott, Continue to shop around. I had a similar experience this week with a shop that I have adjacent to my home. This has nothing to do with Jukes, but is a good example of how shopping around and taking some extra time is the best thing to do. I want to add one wall in my shop to provide me an area in which to heat and cool and also to keep a jukebox, some phonographs, etc., in. The job will also require insulating the room of course. A friend of mine at work recommended this 'great' carpenter and said to me, "The market is down, so he will not only provide you with a quality job, but also at a fair price." Well, I contacted him and had him take a look at the job. He said that he would get back with me in the next week or so with an estimate. Well, to my surprise, I got a call from him the very next day. The estimate for a 24' wall and insulation...a cool $4000.00!! I thought it over and like you, said that seems a 'little steep'. I got on the phone and called a Mennonite friend of mine and asked his opinion. He sent his friend, an A-1 carpenter over and after about 25 minutes of figuring, he had my price...$1300.00! Yes, whether it be Jukes or work around the house, it pays to shop around! Smokey Robinson said it best!@#@ I didn't mean to get off of the Juke band wagon, but I had to share this experience! Thanks and happy juking... Bently From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Fri May 15 19:15:37 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Fri May 15 19:17:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating References: <672f89080904301941w74733aa9u2d2f9a4abc9227c3@mail.gmail.com> <000901c9d5bb$07d0b9d0$17722d70$@cummings@comcast.net> Message-ID: Try cleaning the adhesive off with WD40. It works on removal of stickers etc. that retailers place on items. If it is stainless steel it will re-polish to original condition no need to chrome. You would find that they would not re chrome them. They would polish. You may be able to polish yourself with a metal polish from auto shop. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cummings" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating > Ok, so, dropped off my pieces at Courtesy yesterday. They ran one of the > aluminum pieces just through their polishing process (like 8 different > buffing wheels). Wow! Amazing! The price was...well....not what I > expected. I had called Victor 2 years ago and got a price over the phone. > My notes were still in my jukebox file and I have $325 for all pieces > written down. Seems to have gone up a little since then. $800 without > the > grill bars. Ouch. But, I guess it has to be done. > > Now, on to those grill bars. Need your thoughts on this one. Back when I > started this endeavor I bought a set of grill strips on eBay (I know, I > know) listed as NOS and the seller at the time had great feedback on all > jukebox parts. I was suspicious when they arrived, because they had > protective plastic on each one. That kind of peel-off stuff that would > have > been on a whole sheet of metal to protest it during the cutting and > forming > process type stuff. I just couldn't imagine that was around back in 1949. > Maybe it was. Anyhow, strips were packaged well so I tossed them with my > other juke parts and left them until I got to that point. Fast forward to > yesterday. Pulled one out and started to peel off the white stuff. Seems > time had already started the process. The "adhesive" has left marks on > the > strips. Now, I have to think that this stuff comes off, but I'm afraid to > try. It's not sticky, just sort of swirly type water looking marks on the > strips. So, I figured "oh well, just get the old ones chromed". Yeah, > $40 > each. That's $800 for the strips. Not happening. So, I guess I have 2 > questions. First, any thoughts on those replacement strips I bought? > Think > they're really NOS? Any ideas on cleaning them? And what of a whole new > set of replacements? A1 has them for $110. That's a lot better than > $800. > But are they any good? Will the "mirror finish stainless steel" that > they're made out of blend with the new chrome that will be all around > them? > > Thanks guys (and Jackie). You've always been a great help as I make my > way > through my labor of love. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lajb > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:41 PM > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating > > I've always dealt with Courtesy, and pleased with the results as well as > the > turn around time. > > I took the aluminum frame peices for my Seeburg G glass to a plating shop > here in Detroit and had the pieces stripped, polished and re-annodized. > I'd > have to pull the receipts, I believe it was around $325, but they came > back > looking factory new. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri May 15 20:54:32 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri May 15 20:57:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism repairs Message-ID: <20090515.235432.19375.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> RE: Dan Colabuno Dan operates a part time (fulltime?) classic jukebox repair restoration business from his home base in Columbus OH. I'm in the same business in suburban Atlanta GA. Dan has had a long experience as a service tech. I learned of his service when he was (is?) specializing in the rebuild/repair of older model Rowe/AMI pulse converter/ search units. I've sent him several units at various times for rebuild and was never disappointed in the work or the costs involved. We've bought/sold traded parts with each other as needed. I'm aware (from phone conversations with him 2 yrs ago) that we was undertaking an all-out restoration of a Seeburg 100-A, which involved conversion of a mech from 45 back to 78's. It can take a lot of effort and money to perform a first-class restoration of a deteriorated juke. At first blush, most restoration techs will tend to"overquote" the time/money needed for a project. This is especially true until you (the customer) and the restoration tech can get together (where he can see the machine's condition) to actually determine what the working conditions/level of work commitment needs to be. For instance, I have customers who expect (and are willing to pay for) top-of-the-line service. They are not willing to pick up a screwdriver. On the other hand, some customers are willing to handle a portion of the work themselves (for instance, all exterior cabinet repair) either to have hands-on involvement in their project, or to lower their expenses. If that's the case it needs to be determined (negotiated?) where the tech's responsibilities will end and where yours begin. If some hard to locate original parts need to be found,it can take a long time to the find them. (This might explain the quote for a year-long timeframe) . I've never met Dan face-to-face. It's been a "UPS relationship". If you need a restoration project done,or need help with one, and you're within reasonable driving distance of each other, I'd certainly check it out further. Just giving you my nickel's worth. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Learning Centers - Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXVv00IghCiTzUDp8scYx8c0lZbtTy9JZ9CFkkxxx42F6xriKyvuQ/ From ccos at knology.net Fri May 15 22:58:14 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Fri May 15 22:59:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism repairs In-Reply-To: <20090515.235432.19375.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090515.235432.19375.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: RE: Dan Colabuno Dan was recommended to me by Bill Bickers, for, what some on this list might call "later model" Rowe amplifier repair. We're talking early to late 60's. Dan took the time to talk to me, and again't his usual policy, allowed me to send him just the preamp boards out of said amplifiers. I fully understood why he usually avoids preamp repairs that invite customers to call him with amps that still don't work, etc. The last one I sent him, was from a Rowe CMM1. Anyone who watches this list knows that I am no expert on older jukeboxes of ANY manufacture, so until Dan called me asking exactly which amp I had and what jukebox it was in, I had no clue of the difference in a CMM1 as opposed to the more familiar MM1. I had assumed one was a little smaller with only 50 records but otherwise, mechanically/electronically the same. Anyway, Dan's work, knowledge, willingness to help those less informed, AND prices are unsurpassed in my book. As one might suspect, Dan has plenty of work though. If you're in a hurry, you may want to discuss that with him. My two cents. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism repairs RE: Dan Colabuno Dan operates a part time (fulltime?) classic jukebox repair restoration business from his home base in Columbus OH. I'm in the same business in suburban Atlanta GA. Dan has had a long experience as a service tech. I learned of his service when he was (is?) specializing in the rebuild/repair of older model Rowe/AMI pulse converter/ search units. I've sent him several units at various times for rebuild and was never disappointed in the work or the costs involved. We've bought/sold traded parts with each other as needed. I'm aware (from phone conversations with him 2 yrs ago) that we was undertaking an all-out restoration of a Seeburg 100-A, which involved conversion of a mech from 45 back to 78's. It can take a lot of effort and money to perform a first-class restoration of a deteriorated juke. At first blush, most restoration techs will tend to"overquote" the time/money needed for a project. This is especially true until you (the customer) and the restoration tech can get together (where he can see the machine's condition) to actually determine what the working conditions/level of work commitment needs to be. For instance, I have customers who expect (and are willing to pay for) top-of-the-line service. They are not willing to pick up a screwdriver. On the other hand, some customers are willing to handle a portion of the work themselves (for instance, all exterior cabinet repair) either to have hands-on involvement in their project, or to lower their expenses. If that's the case it needs to be determined (negotiated?) where the tech's responsibilities will end and where yours begin. If some hard to locate original parts need to be found,it can take a long time to the find them. (This might explain the quote for a year-long timeframe) . I've never met Dan face-to-face. It's been a "UPS relationship". If you need a restoration project done,or need help with one, and you're within reasonable driving distance of each other, I'd certainly check it out further. Just giving you my nickel's worth. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Learning Centers - Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXVv00IghCiTzUDp8scYx8c0lZbtTy9JZ9CFkkxxx42F6xriKyvuQ/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From stamann at jukebox-world.de Fri May 15 23:27:26 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Fri May 15 23:29:47 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Message-ID: Hello Jim, we can supply the little Pickering needle with a 0.7 mil tip in a saphire or diamond version. Kind regards - Oliver Stamann ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ All about Jukeboxes: mailorder business, classified ads, forum, archive and serial number database at www.jukebox-world.de/index_en.html -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von James Alexander Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Mai 2009 20:46 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Hello Ron: Somebody is making a .7 mil 45 RPM stylus that will fit a Seeburg blackhead pickup? Do you have any info?. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Paying too much for your home? Click to refinance at a lower rate. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVyYaGasrCRZMY6sQXD4s4pi0aIrA5LUxNb7xA61limulaLfaqGkA/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sat May 16 01:56:45 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sat May 16 01:58:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1100 Message-ID: <25658-4A0E7FCD-4047@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Anyone on the list have an 1100? I have some questions concerning the door hinges. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sat May 16 05:43:33 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sat May 16 05:45:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs Message-ID: <106949.55987.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, As we begin to assemble our Wurlitzer 800 a question has come up concerning the pilaster incandescent light bulb wattage. When we received the machine all pilaster bulbs were 15 watt. This seemed like a lot of heat and bright for such a confined area but I did not give it a lot of thought but now I am. I checked the parts manual and sure enough they should be 10 watts. It still seems like a lot of heat but probably tolerable. I have looked around for 10 watt bulbs without success. I do remember them when I was young, they had sort of a tubular shape instead of the usual round shape as found in current incandescents. We used them in the theater marquee I worked at. Does anyone have suggestions? I could install 15 watt bulbs and hope; I could install a resistor or even a plain old dimmer switch or best of all locate the proper light bulbs. I hate to add a voltage lowering device since the machine is a really nice original. Are all incandescents going to be collector items some day? Will we need a permit to operate/buy them? Whatever happened to Mr. Magoo? Thanks, as usual! David (in the Geritol Ghetto) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 16 06:09:02 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 16 06:10:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Message-ID: <195825.20467.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Same one that fits the "blackhead" 45 rpm cart.? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 5/15/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:34 AM Hello Ron: Somebody is making a .7 mil 45 RPM stylus that will fit a Seeburg blackhead pickup?? Do you have any info?.? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Paying too much for your home?? Click to refinance at a lower rate. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVyYaGasrCRZMY6sQXD4s4pi0aIrA5LUxNb7xA61limulaLfaqGkA/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 16 06:22:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 16 06:24:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Message-ID: <833860.27399.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Go to www.needles4jukboxes.com? and purchase the ones for the model "B", ONLY f you have the cart. shown--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 5:24 PM So, when looking for needles like that, exactly what am I looking for?? A lot of what I see are referred to as yellow or blue (based on their appearance, obviously)? I'm just making sure that I'm looking for and/or buying the right needles to at least try.? From the sounds of what Ron mentioned (.7 mil stylus for stereo records), it seems that would be what I am looking for.? Any more info on those Ron? I understand that the very design of the A mech is going to be rough on records.? I am not planning on heavy use (at all) nor are any of the records what I would consider antiques, so if they wear then they wear (unless we're talking single-use, then that's not good).? I just want to have the maximum number of options when it comes to the records I load and not be limited to 1950s mono 45s. Thanks everyone. Scott -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:26 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: > I'm not aware of the .7 mil stylus being sold for the > black-head but unless it is designed to address the issue of > vertical compliance it won't be good for stereo 45s. I'm not an expert on 45 RPM Seeburgs, but the 45 stylus in the L-shaped bracket made for the M100-B will fit an M100-A cartridge.? A set was installed in my M100-A when it was converted to 33 play.? The original cardboard packet with the installation "tools" was still in the cash box. ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sat May 16 06:25:26 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sat May 16 06:27:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs References: <106949.55987.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4449F93727194E8996FCB7888BC92D66@Graeme> Stock up on them while you can. Here in Australia they are in the process of being phased out. They will no longer be available. This phase out started 1st February 2009 Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "david wendell" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:43 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs > > Hi All, > > As we begin to assemble our Wurlitzer 800 a question has come up > concerning the pilaster incandescent light bulb wattage. When we received > the machine all pilaster bulbs were 15 watt. This seemed like a lot of > heat and bright for such a confined area but I did not give it a lot of > thought but now I am. > > I checked the parts manual and sure enough they should be 10 watts. It > still seems like a lot of heat but probably tolerable. I have looked > around for 10 watt bulbs without success. I do remember them when I was > young, they had sort of a tubular shape instead of the usual round shape > as found in current incandescents. We used them in the theater marquee I > worked at. > > Does anyone have suggestions? I could install 15 watt bulbs and hope; I > could install a resistor or even a plain old dimmer switch or best of all > locate the proper light bulbs. I hate to add a voltage lowering device > since the machine is a really nice original. > > Are all incandescents going to be collector items some day? Will we need > a permit to operate/buy them? Whatever happened to Mr. Magoo? > > Thanks, as usual! > > David (in the Geritol Ghetto) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat May 16 06:34:38 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat May 16 06:36:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs Message-ID: <329147.6561.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 5/16/09, david wendell wrote: > I have looked around for 10 watt > bulbs without success. Have you tried a commercial lighting supply company? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 16 06:53:13 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 16 06:54:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism repairs Message-ID: <990096.7696.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have become hesitant about recommending anyone for anything, as I have been "burned" several times--having said that, I must state that? have the same relationship with Dan that Jim has. Dan has always been fair in his dealings with me. As for the "quote" price, I know that I would not?quote an A mech for less. In the restoration of 50 + year old equipment, it is possible to spend hours just attempting to remove?ONE, rusted, critical screw----- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 5/15/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism repairs To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 8:54 PM RE:? Dan Colabuno Dan operates a part time (fulltime?) classic jukebox repair restoration business from his home base in Columbus OH.? ? I'm in the same business in suburban Atlanta GA.? ???Dan has? had a long experience as a service tech.???I? learned of his service when he was (is?) specializing in the rebuild/repair of older model Rowe/AMI pulse converter/ search units.? ? I've sent him several units at various times for rebuild and was never disappointed in the work or the costs involved.???We've bought/sold traded parts with each other as needed. I'm aware (from phone conversations with him 2 yrs ago) that we was undertaking an all-out restoration of a Seeburg 100-A, which involved conversion of a mech from 45 back to 78's. It can take a lot of effort and money to perform a first-class restoration of a deteriorated juke. At first blush, most restoration techs will tend to"overquote" the time/money needed for a project.? This is especially true until you (the customer) and the restoration tech can get together (where he can see the machine's condition) to actually determine what the working conditions/level of work commitment needs to be. For instance, I have customers who expect (and are willing to pay for) top-of-the-line service. They are not willing to pick up a screwdriver.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? On the other hand, some customers are willing to handle a portion of the work themselves (for instance, all exterior cabinet repair) either to have hands-on involvement in their project, or to lower their expenses.???If that's the case it needs to be determined (negotiated?) where the tech's responsibilities will end and where yours begin.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???If some hard to locate original parts need to be found,it can take a long time to the find them.? (This might explain the quote for a year-long timeframe) .??? I've never met Dan face-to-face.? It's been a "UPS relationship".???If you need a restoration project done,or need help with one, and you're within reasonable driving distance of each other, I'd certainly check it out further. Just giving you my nickel's worth. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Learning Centers - Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXVv00IghCiTzUDp8scYx8c0lZbtTy9JZ9CFkkxxx42F6xriKyvuQ/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sat May 16 08:06:59 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sat May 16 08:08:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs In-Reply-To: david wendell 's message of Sat, 16 May 2009 05:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <23272-4A0ED693-3682@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> David ,dont they have 7 1/2 W bulbs out there available? Or, would that be too little light to illuminate it well? Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sat May 16 09:11:24 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sat May 16 09:13:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs Message-ID: <32333.20250.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I did find a place called bulbtown.com that has 11 watt bulbs with the proper shape and E26 base. I'll settle for the 11 watts. I thought the 7-1/2 watts might be just to dim to really light it up. Sounds like we all better stock up on incandescents. I'll write when the order arrives(7 days they say) and how they look etc. Hope they have enough since I bought some extras. Thanks all! David Wendell (in the Geritol Ghetto) --- On Sat, 5/16/09, James McClave wrote: > From: James McClave > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:06 AM > David ,dont they have 7 1/2 W bulbs > out there available?? Or, would that > be too little light to illuminate it well?? Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Sat May 16 09:05:28 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Sat May 16 09:13:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1100 References: <25658-4A0E7FCD-4047@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <1BC111E7E74540D5B0272CF779EBDE0E@yoursz6x6sefxo> Jim, I have an 1100. What can I answer for you? William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:56 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1100 > Anyone on the list have an 1100? I have some questions concerning the > door hinges. Thanks, Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From powdered123 at yahoo.com Sat May 16 09:55:05 2009 From: powdered123 at yahoo.com (David Rowley) Date: Sat May 16 10:03:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox Message-ID: <134163.31691.qm@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat May 16 11:27:59 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat May 16 11:29:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs Message-ID: <210214.65455.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 5/16/09, david wendell wrote: > Sounds like we all better stock up on > incandescents. Every Christmas I buy a case (12 boxes of four bulbs) of C-7 twinkle lights at the only place I can find them, the local Ace Hardware. I'm assuming that all C-7 and C-9 bulbs are going away eventually (and the "special" ones will be the first to go), to be replaced with those gawdawful LED lights (hopefully that technology will improve by then), and I want to make sure I have a lifetime supply. Next I'll start hoarding the C-9s for around the house. To paraphrase ol' Chuck Heston, the government can have my Christmas lights when they pry them out of my cold, dead hands. From edbap at aol.com Sat May 16 12:26:55 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Sat May 16 12:35:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C In-Reply-To: <134163.31691.qm@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <134163.31691.qm@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBA473682CAB61-D90-2CAD@webmail-dh06.sysops.aol.com> I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked them multiple times.? Do I need to add a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Rowley To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 16 12:56:50 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 16 12:58:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Message-ID: <4380.65396.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ed, Where is the trip switch wire grounded ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:26 PM I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked them multiple times.? Do I need to add a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Rowley To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dvb at bowater.org.uk Sat May 16 13:26:10 2009 From: dvb at bowater.org.uk (david) Date: Sat May 16 13:27:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs In-Reply-To: <210214.65455.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with the "gawdawful" LED lights, have you seen the latest white LED's? I would use them every where, great colour, nice and bright, little heat and very cheap to run! However if you are restoring a valuable/important/historical item then we have problems in the future as all incandescent are likely to become unavailable. I have no problem in replacing all the bulbs in my 70's juke to LED's, here in the UK BA9s bulbs are getting difficult to get hold of, even though they were used in almost all pre 80's cars as dash lights. However BA9s LED's are becoming easily available(albeit expensive at the moment). I will be looking at creating a "linear" row of LED's to replace the Fluorescents in my juke. Whether we like it or not LED's are the light of the future and we need to embrace that. To give an example installations of Wurlitzer theatre organs use digital technology to link the keyboard to the sound devices (can't think of another way of putting it) Does that put the "cat amongst the pigeons" ???????????? I hope this kicks off some discussion on using modern technology to keep alive the "less valuable" jukes. Regards, with some trepidation as its difficult to say what you think in an email David PS I am a classic car, audio, clock etc enthusiast etc. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 16 May 2009 19:28 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs --- On Sat, 5/16/09, david wendell wrote: > Sounds like we all better stock up on > incandescents. Every Christmas I buy a case (12 boxes of four bulbs) of C-7 twinkle lights at the only place I can find them, the local Ace Hardware. I'm assuming that all C-7 and C-9 bulbs are going away eventually (and the "special" ones will be the first to go), to be replaced with those gawdawful LED lights (hopefully that technology will improve by then), and I want to make sure I have a lifetime supply. Next I'll start hoarding the C-9s for around the house. To paraphrase ol' Chuck Heston, the government can have my Christmas lights when they pry them out of my cold, dead hands. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From thomas.leigh at btinternet.com Sat May 16 15:20:27 2009 From: thomas.leigh at btinternet.com (thomas.leigh@btinternet.com) Date: Sat May 16 15:28:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe ami jmb Message-ID: <037857198D9B441AA4D36B4E28B8E2C3@thomasbf973136> hi all to work a wall box on the rowe-ami jmb tropicana you do need a separate power supply plus a stepper unit where are you ??? i have the complete fully working units but i live in U/K tom From edbap at aol.com Sat May 16 15:52:56 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Sat May 16 15:59:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C In-Reply-To: <4380.65396.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4380.65396.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBA49030512D21-B84-5EF6@webmail-dh31.sysops.aol.com> not sure what your askin Ron?? Sorry, Im not real skilled in the electronic end of this stuff Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Where is the trip switch wire grounded ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:26 PM I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked them multiple times.? Do I need to add a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Rowley To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jugert at msn.com Sat May 16 16:20:26 2009 From: jugert at msn.com (jugert@msn.com) Date: Sat May 16 16:22:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C In-Reply-To: <8CBA49030512D21-B84-5EF6@webmail-dh31.sysops.aol.com> References: <4380.65396.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CBA49030512D21-B84-5EF6@webmail-dh31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Ed, I had this issue a few times, the last one I remember was a seeburg J, it was the connecting block that connects the tone arm wiring & the wiring coming from the amp together (this connecting post has 3 legs)---the ground was soldered wrong. After I moved the ground to the proper place the popping stopped. To find this connecting block---just follow the tone arm wiring to this block on the left side of the mech underneath the micro switch. If you have another seeburg mech? I will bet you do---double check the wiring. If you don't email me OL and I will send you a picture. I still have a few mechs in the garage. Hope this helped Don Jugert Colorado > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C > Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 18:52:56 -0400 > From: edbap@aol.com > > not sure what your askin Ron?? Sorry, Im not real skilled in the electronic end of this stuff > > > Eddie Baptista > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Rich > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:56 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C > > > > Ed, > Where is the trip switch wire grounded ? Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: > > > From: Ed Baptista > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:26 PM > > > I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds > great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine > stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a > solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked > them multiple times.? Do I need to add a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, > and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying > "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle > > > Eddie Baptista > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Rowley > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox > > > > I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a > wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. > Questions > 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power > supply > 2. Any for Sale? > thanks. > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Mon May 11 02:10:42 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sat May 16 21:04:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information Message-ID: <6528A6B0DD6B40A98B39E2CFFBF2AC21@Graeme> Hildegard Stamann in her last post requested information on the AMI JPK 200. The British Jukebox Owners forum was contacted about this model in January. The correspondence I had with the owner is below. It is certainly a very unusual model. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Harvey To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information G'day Scott, I would try asking the same questions on the US Group. It has a wider spread someone their may know. You will have to sign up as a member. http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: sfreborg To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: [SPAM][SPAM]Re: [SPAM]RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information Thanks to all that responded to my questions about my enigma/oddball AMI-K. Actually, the production information is not all that important to me, so I'm going to drop my quest for more details. I think the trail has gone cold now anyway, 50 years after the K was manufactured. That said, I'm looking forward to many more years of enjoyment with my K. To that end I just purchased a used K record changer, in working condition for insurance of spare parts in the future. Also, I have not ruled out purchasing another K in good condition...if anyone out there has one to part with keep me in mind......including a transaction that would include parting with my 1484.....Scott --- In bjoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Graeme Harvey" wrote: > > G'day Scott, > You have a very interesting model K. The K's that I have were manufactered in Australia and I think that they are different. I think US ones had a built in stepper on the selector. Mine do not have a built in stepper. The additional plugs may have been used to run a stepper for wallbox use.? > > Graeme Harvey > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sfreborg > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:17 PM > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [SPAM]RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information > > > Here is some additional information Graeme..... Mono (one low range > speaker and one horn speaker), wording on front glass is "AMI" and under > that "The World's Finest Music". Select buttons for 100 play, but the > magazine holds 100 records. Has a keylock "mode" switch in back that > when repositioned, will shut all of the machine lights off and play the > other 50 records in the magazine, in series (someone referred to this as > "background music" mode). Has two counters, one for normal play and one > for "background" play. I rechecked the serial number and it is 526003, > model JPK. The amp is the R2017 with the L2156. One other interesting > thing...the automatic selector has seven wire bundle connectors. The > spare automatic selectors that I have only have 4 wiring bundle > connectors. I'm assuming that the extra wires and connectors are > related to the "background" music mode. One opinion about the lack of > production information is that this model was made late in the > production year and never "took off " in sales??....Scott > > --- In bjoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Graeme Harvey" gnharvey@ wrote: > > > > G'day, > > Please tell us more about it. Stereo or mono. Manuel or > Automatic. wording on front glass under selection buttons. What > type of amps example R2017 with pre amp L2156 for mono. The reason I > asked this is that some time ago I spotted an unusual K on ebay that had > two amps side by side that were used singularly in the "G,H & I and > maybe the J. I have two K's and both use the same amps as the > Continentals. One is a manuel the other Auto both 200 select. > > Graeme Harvey > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: mike@ > > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:26 AM > > Subject: [SPAM]RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information > > > > > > Yes I noticed that , but the quoted serial number is listed (last of > all in > > the batch) , so I thought it was worth a look. > > Mike > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: JJ eastender@ > > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:12:57 -0000 (GMT) > > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information > > > > Interestingly, no JPK models mentioned there ? > > > > JJ > > > > > Try this site http://www.tomszone.com/serialami.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bjoforum@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf > > > Of sfreborg > > > Sent: 23 January 2009 03:49 > > > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone...glad to be a new member of the forum. I have three > > > jukes...Rockola 424, Rockola 1484 wall mount, and my AMI model > JPK. > > > My AMI K is in like new condition, purchased it about 15 years ago > > > from a businessman in New Jersey. I am interested in finding more > > > production information for the JPK, and why AMI did not release > more > > > information in 1960. My serial number is 526003...the only other > > > serial number I've seen is 526085. I'm also looking for more > > > information on the JPK random play feature. Thanks in advance for > any > > > info that is offered up...Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > > > __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (5) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls Keep them spinning... MARKETPLACE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 1New Members Visit Your Group Yahoo! Groups Dog Group Connect and share with dog owners like you Y! Messenger PC-to-PC calls Call your friends worldwide - free! Yahoo! Groups Everyday Wellness Zone Check out featured healthy living groups. . __,_._,___ From tjniekamp at hotmail.com Sun May 10 08:21:28 2009 From: tjniekamp at hotmail.com (Thomas Niekamp) Date: Sat May 16 21:05:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami 200 3 channel stereo jukebox Message-ID: I have one small problem with my jukebox. Any help would be appreciated. I need to know if it is worth repairing. When a 45 is selected, it is placed on the turntable, the needle/arm comes down, but then immediately lifts off the record and the record is put back where it came from. Any ideas? Tom EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 16 21:16:26 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 16 21:18:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Message-ID: <46789.94259.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ed, Where are the two wires from the end of record trip switch connected?? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 3:52 PM not sure what your askin Ron?? Sorry, Im not real skilled in the electronic end of this stuff Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Where is the trip switch wire grounded ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:26 PM I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked them multiple times.? Do I need to add a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Rowley To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat May 16 23:02:30 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat May 16 23:05:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Message-ID: <20090517.020230.2887.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: RE: Seeburg 100C If you are having a popping sound when the mute contacts close on the mechanism, most likely you have a problem with the muting circuit on the amp or the connection to it. This is brought to the amp on a 3 pin plug located near the tone arm input on the amp chassis. To directly answer your question,the mechanism trip circuit wires (for both the mech and rear panel reject button) are brought in through the selection receiver chassis. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWIQXTmmm5tzcoxMr6NND48l7gZyTnRiOn4akVcoXuVrijroZzSzm/ From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sat May 16 23:22:02 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sat May 16 23:23:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1100 In-Reply-To: "William Hill" 's message of Sat, 16 May 2009 12:05:28 -0400 Message-ID: <28252-4A0FAD0A-5002@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> William , I just finished restoring an 1100, and I think I either have the wrong door hinges on it, or I have installed them wrong. I ended up with a big gap in the front door, most pronounced on the upper part of the door. There is the hinge and another plate top and bottom on the front door jambs. Could you look at yours and tell me which is on top and which is on the bottom. or even send me some pics of the upper and lower door hinges? The book doesnt show how its installed very well. I may even possibly have the wrong hinges on there. This restoration took a long time, and now Im trying to back track. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat May 16 23:34:49 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat May 16 23:37:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami 200 3 channel stereo jukebox Message-ID: <20090517.023449.10591.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Hello Tom: The trouble you are describing with your Rowe/AMI juke normally is not a big problem to troubleshoot and fix. I (we) coiuld give better specific info. if you posted the model number of your juke. This can be found on a steel nameplate on the back panel of the machine. Since you're saying it's a 3 channel stereo, (left, right and common woofer setup) I'm taking the liberty of asuming that you have a late 60's-early 70's model like an MM-1, MM-2, etc. There are typically 3 troublespots that can cause the record changer to trip off as soon as a record is brought into the play position: Check the rear panel reject button to make sure it is not damaged or short-circuited somehow. Along the same lines, there is a terminal for connecting a wired remote control that had a volume control and record-reject switch on it. If your machine came from an old bar, restraurant, vending co., etc sometimes, old wiring for the remote control hookup was cut when the juke was taken out and a short can develop in this wiring. If this is the case carefully remove the old wiring "tails". There is no high voltage on this wiring. Last, there is a gravity operated trip off switch on the tone arm, located near the vertical hinge point of the arm. This switch could be dirty or out of adjustment. there should be an adjustment screw to set the trip threshold point on top of the tone arm. The purpose of this trip switch is to ":tell" the mech to trip off if the mech does not place a record on the turntable. Warped or very thin records can sometimes activate this switch. Try this easy test-- when the mech gripper arm brings a record to the turntable, and the tone arm swings over to the lead-in groove, lift the front of the tone arm up slightly with your finger. If this stops the early trip off, you've found your problem. If you need more specifics, you'll have to get the model # of your juke. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bpMIIbaBWXlyOILw1KsjM65Eykf36O0oElAgbsyo586afLEiFS/ From edbap at aol.com Sat May 16 23:51:32 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Sun May 17 00:00:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C In-Reply-To: <4380.65396.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4380.65396.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBA4D30C689844-CC8-FBA@WEBMAIL-DZ06.sysops.aol.com> Ron and Don, The bottom wire from the trip switch is grounded to the mechanism at the screw on the left of it, that holds the bracket that holds the cartridge wires and their connection to the wires that run to the amp.? The ground wire does not connect to any other wires, just grounds to the mech.? I have 3 other Sburg BCG mechs in my shop in various states of disrepair, and they are all wired the same way. . -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Where is the trip switch wire grounded ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:26 PM I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked them multiple times.? Do I need to add a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Rowley To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun May 17 00:31:08 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun May 17 00:34:36 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Message-ID: <20090517.033108.150.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Thank you for the info. I'll keep it in mind. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find single Christians that want to meet you today. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYvfbSjwA1bxq1KVtq2ax3xf8KLenheHXN1ZrqgHJoPomMBvLNGRi/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun May 17 00:54:39 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun May 17 00:57:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Message-ID: <20090517.035439.150.2@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Hello Scott: Somewhere in one of your emails, discussing your Seeburg M-100A issues., did you mention that you are located in the Detroit MI area? I know several techs/craftsmen in the classic jukebox "biz" in that city. I may be able to refer you to somebody local that's qualified to help you with your A rather than have to drive/ship it all the way to Columbus OH One of these guys will likely be willing to come to you for an inspection if you don't want to transport the machine yourself and you live in the Detroit metro area. Dan Colabuno is a good tech,per the discussion here, but Columbus is a long distance drive from Detroit. Pls contact me off-list if you'd like to pursue this further. Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Click now to find a divorce attorney near you! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbfwdfbreYdS0MScaliJ682ty75cWbIOOkv3uivm4lho1h1qnDWHe/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun May 17 08:12:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun May 17 08:14:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Message-ID: <147441.28550.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ed, OK, that is correct. Now recheck the "audio shield". Check that it's NOT going to ground anywhere near the mechanism, but IS grounding well at the "RCA plug" on the amplifier. If you still have this problem, check the "M, MA", and "MB" switches on the mechanism for proper adjustment, and contact. If you still have the problem, check that the ground screw at the bottom of the terminal strip on the RH side of the mech is tight, and the wire going thru the plug is making well. If it still is there, check? "C-11" in the WSR. Ron Rich ? --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 11:51 PM Ron and Don, The bottom wire from the trip switch is grounded to the mechanism at the screw on the left of it, that holds the bracket that holds the cartridge wires and their connection to the wires that run to the amp.? The ground wire does not connect to any other wires, just grounds to the mech.? I have 3 other Sburg BCG mechs in my shop in various states of disrepair, and they are all wired the same way. . -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Where is the trip switch wire grounded ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:26 PM I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked them multiple times.? Do I need to add a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Rowley To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dppe at inebraska.com Sun May 17 08:40:01 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sun May 17 08:48:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Message-ID: WTB: Titlle strip holders possibly other parts as well Thanks. Dana From dppe at inebraska.com Sun May 17 08:38:24 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sun May 17 08:50:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: WTB: Rockola 1455 parts plastic dress cap that covers the motor- have been told that a 1458 cap might work also brass colored metal decorative trim pieces that are side panels on either side of the motor rectangular glass piece with the words "ROCKOLA" in black on it which fits across the middle of the lower cabinet just below the keyboard possibly other parts as well Thanks for any help. Dana From dppe at inebraska.com Sun May 17 08:51:50 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sun May 17 08:53:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Rockola 1455 parts Message-ID: WTB: Rockola 1455 parts plastic dress cap that covers the motor- have been told that a 1458 cap might work also brass colored metal decorative trim pieces that are side panels on either side of the motor rectangular glass piece with the words "ROCKOLA" in black on it which fits across the middle of the lower cabinet just below the keyboard possibly other parts as well Thanks for any help. Dana From goldenflash60 at aol.com Sun May 17 09:02:13 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Sun May 17 09:10:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240I parts Message-ID: <8CBA51FF9D6265E-1154-4489@WEBMAIL-DZ31.sysops.aol.com> i am looking for a player mechanism for a nsm satellite or 240I.? if anyone has one or know someone who has one i would appreciate it. From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun May 17 09:16:45 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun May 17 09:18:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C References: <147441.28550.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c9d70a$dfed3780$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Ron - your last comment reminded me - a year or two ago I had this same problem. I checked and re-checked contacts and wiring, tried another trip coil, trip switch, swapped amps, made a shield for the trip coil - nothing worked. I then put the mech in another machine and it stopped popping. It turned out to be something in the WSR, but I did not find it. I plugged the big Jones plugs from the keyboard and pinbank directly together, bypassing the WSR, and it stopped popping. Any ideas why? Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, OK, that is correct. Now recheck the "audio shield". Check that it's NOT going to ground anywhere near the mechanism, but IS grounding well at the "RCA plug" on the amplifier. If you still have this problem, check the "M, MA", and "MB" switches on the mechanism for proper adjustment, and contact. If you still have the problem, check that the ground screw at the bottom of the terminal strip on the RH side of the mech is tight, and the wire going thru the plug is making well. If it still is there, check "C-11" in the WSR. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 11:51 PM Ron and Don, The bottom wire from the trip switch is grounded to the mechanism at the screw on the left of it, that holds the bracket that holds the cartridge wires and their connection to the wires that run to the amp.? The ground wire does not connect to any other wires, just grounds to the mech.? I have 3 other Sburg BCG mechs in my shop in various states of disrepair, and they are all wired the same way. . -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Where is the trip switch wire grounded ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:26 PM I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked them multiple times.? Do I need to add a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Rowley To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun May 17 09:53:51 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun May 17 09:56:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Rockola 1455 parts Message-ID: <20090517.125351.21168.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Hello Dana: The W 2304 titleboard holders and Rock Ola 1455 trim parts that you are looking for are not being reproduced by any of the jukebox replica manufacturers--you will need to find original parts. Here are a few leads you can try: Jukebox supply house Victory Glass bought out all remaining Rock Ola parts stock from RO when the Rock Ola family sold the business in the 90's. They did have quite a few NOS 50's-era parts in stock. New RO inventory is listed w/pricing on the website. VG also does have some parts-salvage jukeboxes available to buy used parts. VG is located in Waukee, IA. website: www.victoryglass.com John Durfee runs a large used jukebox-parts salvage operation in Orange MA. Good possibility he can help you. Company name is Durfee Coin-op. web: www.jukeboxparts.com PH 978 544 3800. On the west coast, Bill Butterfield (Musical fun For Everyone?) runs a similar business. I believe he's located in Las Vegas NV. I don't have any contact info for his company. Maybe someone on the list can help out with this. Good luck with your parts search, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on detox treatments for drug & alcohol dependency. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWeRC7hlzHRFVVZmuB9jDrEzDvi9jL2ojJiC7pdNliz2JVd3mbt9e/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun May 17 10:07:55 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun May 17 10:10:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240I part s Message-ID: <20090517.130755.21168.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> RE: NSM vinyl-play mech. I don't know if this is helpful to you, but on E Bay in Kansas City MO today, there is a guy selling 3 "project" jukeboxes as-is. The pix and descriptions are not very good. One of them is an NSM vinyl play model. It looks like it could be a City 4 model. There is also a W3010 and a Rock Ola 480. The bidding opens at .99 for all 3, and there is one bid of $15. The E Bay sell # is 280345062634. You may want to contact Durfee Coin Op in Orange MA, a big juke parts-salvage operation. website: www.jukeboxparts.com NSM vinyl juke parts are in short supply in the US. They were more common/plentiful in the UK. If these other resources don't pan out, you might want to check out some of the English jukebox parts/service vendorson the web. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to consolidate your debt in minutes, stop late or over-limit fees, pay less. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVtfMMdO9MCicb0aDfMG9Xd1CS1z2V5A1hWfTw4AgCiTDkVh7ZRLK/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun May 17 10:16:56 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun May 17 10:18:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant [Was: Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs] Message-ID: <561999.95309.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 5/16/09, david wrote: > Whether we like it or not LED's are the light of the future > and we need to embrace that. Government can tell me what I must do at the point of a gun (since they reserve to themselves the right to "settle" any argument by initiating the use of force), but they can never convince me by threat of violence that that they are right, nor compell me to embrace anything that I find odious. They can discourage any activity by taxing it. If the "experts" think that incandescent lamps are distasteful, they can tax them to the point that they are the most expensive lighting option. That way, people that want to use them can, and the vast majority of people, who don't care, will be herded towards the socially virtuous option. But there is no reason to outright ban something that harms no one, except a tribal desire to exercise naked force over others. From dppe at inebraska.com Sun May 17 11:05:39 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sun May 17 11:07:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240I part s In-Reply-To: <20090517.130755.21168.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090517.130755.21168.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <360e8c20d684b9288bc047e724cb6425@inebraska.com> Thanks! Dana On May 17, 2009, at 12:07 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > RE: NSM vinyl-play mech. > I don't know if this is helpful to you, but on E Bay in Kansas City MO > today, there is a guy selling 3 "project" jukeboxes as-is. The pix > and descriptions are not very good. One of them is an NSM vinyl play > model. It looks like it could be a City 4 model. There is also a > W3010 and a Rock Ola 480. The bidding opens at .99 for all 3, and > there is one bid of $15. The E Bay sell # is 280345062634. > You may want to contact Durfee Coin Op in Orange MA, a big juke > parts-salvage operation. website: www.jukeboxparts.com > NSM vinyl juke parts are in short supply in the US. They were more > common/plentiful in the UK. If these other resources don't pan out, > you might want to check out some of the English jukebox parts/service > vendorson the web. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to consolidate your debt in minutes, stop late or over-limit > fees, pay less. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/ > BLSrjpYVtfMMdO9MCicb0aDfMG9Xd1CS1z2V5A1hWfTw4AgCiTDkVh7ZRLK/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From steve at pro-ns.net Sun May 17 11:10:42 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Sun May 17 11:12:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant [Was: Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs] In-Reply-To: <561999.95309.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <561999.95309.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090517181042.GB3360@pro-ns.net> I realize that this IS off topic, but people like "david " need to realize that they don't get to tell me what the future is, nor what I need to "embrace". So I feel the need to chip in and say that David Breneman is not alone, I for one agree with him 100%. --> Steve Wahl On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:16:56AM -0700, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Sat, 5/16/09, david wrote: > > > > Whether we like it or not LED's are the light of the future > > and we need to embrace that. > > > Government can tell me what I must do at the point of a > gun (since they reserve to themselves the right to "settle" > any argument by initiating the use of force), but they > can never convince me by threat of violence that that they > are right, nor compell me to embrace anything that I find > odious. > > They can discourage any activity by taxing it. If the > "experts" think that incandescent lamps are distasteful, > they can tax them to the point that they are the most > expensive lighting option. That way, people that want > to use them can, and the vast majority of people, who > don't care, will be herded towards the socially virtuous > option. But there is no reason to outright ban something > that harms no one, except a tribal desire to exercise > naked force over others. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Good programmers : Microsoft products :: good chefs : McDonalds products From dppe at inebraska.com Sun May 17 11:10:55 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sun May 17 11:12:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240I part s In-Reply-To: <20090517.130755.21168.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090517.130755.21168.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1dede9a8b6aa45c7925fe41574e351c0@inebraska.com> Hi Jim, There are 2 title strip boards in the machine, but they are like a real light particle board. Are these the original boards? Thanks for your help. Dana On May 17, 2009, at 12:07 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > RE: NSM vinyl-play mech. > I don't know if this is helpful to you, but on E Bay in Kansas City MO > today, there is a guy selling 3 "project" jukeboxes as-is. The pix > and descriptions are not very good. One of them is an NSM vinyl play > model. It looks like it could be a City 4 model. There is also a > W3010 and a Rock Ola 480. The bidding opens at .99 for all 3, and > there is one bid of $15. The E Bay sell # is 280345062634. > You may want to contact Durfee Coin Op in Orange MA, a big juke > parts-salvage operation. website: www.jukeboxparts.com > NSM vinyl juke parts are in short supply in the US. They were more > common/plentiful in the UK. If these other resources don't pan out, > you might want to check out some of the English jukebox parts/service > vendorson the web. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to consolidate your debt in minutes, stop late or over-limit > fees, pay less. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/ > BLSrjpYVtfMMdO9MCicb0aDfMG9Xd1CS1z2V5A1hWfTw4AgCiTDkVh7ZRLK/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun May 17 11:55:06 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun May 17 11:58:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240I part s Message-ID: <20090517.145506.1422.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Dana: I've had some hands-on experience with W2300 series jukes (none recently) and the title strip holders were made of white opaque plastic (like most others) in order to let flourescent back-lighting highlight the title strips. There is a different titleboard layout/sizing for of the 2300 (200 play) 2304 (104 play) so they are not interchangeable. I'm not sure if there was a 2310 (100 play) model or not. Good luck on your locating the NSM items you're searching for. The search can turn into a project by itself. I'd suggest scouring E Bay , Craigslist, etc. Every so often, you'll find a jukebox operator that bought new NSM units in the 70's -80's that wants to clean out their warehouse. You can usually buy complete or near-complete non-functional NSM jukes for literally pennies on the dollar. You'll usually pay more to buy NSM component parts because of their rarity. NSM stopped offering parts/service support for their vinyl jukes in the early 90's. You will find however that there are some dedicated NSM owners out there that want to keep their equipment running. These folks are buying up the remaining parts. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Discount Online Trading - Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSXA7Iv1gZbWl32pd2SD30foK1t5yFd2iKkJweG0W8QXuMmp5AprC/ From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sun May 17 12:01:59 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sun May 17 12:03:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant [Was: Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs] Message-ID: <969337.41225.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I could no agree more. I think most of us think the same way. ? Regards, Tony --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Steve Wahl wrote: From: Steve Wahl Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant [Was: Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs] To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:10 PM I realize that this IS off topic, but people like "david " need to realize that they don't get to tell me what the future is, nor what I need to "embrace".? So I feel the need to chip in and say that David Breneman is not alone, I for one agree with him 100%. --> Steve Wahl On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:16:56AM -0700, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Sat, 5/16/09, david wrote: > > > > Whether we like it or not LED's are the light of the future > > and we need to embrace that. > > > Government can tell me what I must do at the point of a > gun (since they reserve to themselves the right to "settle" > any argument by initiating the use of force), but they > can never convince me by threat of violence that that they > are right, nor compell me to embrace anything that I find > odious. > > They can discourage any activity by taxing it.? If the > "experts" think that incandescent lamps are distasteful, > they can tax them to the point that they are the most > expensive lighting option.? That way, people that want > to use them can, and the vast majority of people, who > don't care, will be herded towards the socially virtuous > option.? But there is no reason to outright ban something > that harms no one, except a tribal desire to exercise > naked force over others. > > > >? ? ??? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl? ? steve@pro-ns.net Good programmers : Microsoft products :: good chefs : McDonalds products _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun May 17 13:13:44 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun May 17 13:15:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Message-ID: <707708.38835.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Bad ground and or "C-11"???? Ron Rich? --- On Sun, 5/17/09, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 9:16 AM Ron - your last comment reminded me - a year or two ago I had this same problem. I checked and re-checked contacts and wiring, tried another trip coil, trip switch, swapped amps, made a shield for the trip coil - nothing worked. I then put the mech in another machine and it stopped popping. It turned out to be something in the WSR, but I did not find it. I plugged the big Jones plugs from the keyboard and pinbank directly together, bypassing the WSR, and it stopped popping. Any ideas why? Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, OK, that is correct. Now recheck the "audio shield". Check that it's NOT going to ground anywhere near the mechanism, but IS grounding well at the "RCA plug" on the amplifier. If you still have this problem, check the "M, MA", and "MB" switches on the mechanism for proper adjustment, and contact. If you still have the problem, check that the ground screw at the bottom of the terminal strip on the RH side of the mech is tight, and the wire going thru the plug is making well. If it still is there, check "C-11" in the WSR. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 11:51 PM Ron and Don, The bottom wire from the trip switch is grounded to the mechanism at the screw on the left of it, that holds the bracket that holds the cartridge wires and their connection to the wires that run to the amp.? The ground wire does not connect to any other wires, just grounds to the mech.? I have 3 other Sburg BCG mechs in my shop in various states of disrepair, and they are all wired the same way. .. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Where is the trip switch wire grounded ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:26 PM I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked them multiple times.? Do I need to add a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Rowley To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From stamann at jukebox-world.de Sun May 17 14:07:13 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Sun May 17 14:09:50 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Fw: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information Message-ID: Hello Graeme, thanks for sending this to me. Somehow I must have missed this post. I will summary the details for the JPK-200: - Serial numbers known so far: 526003, 526085 - random play feature - Mono - amp R2017 with the L2156 - one low range speaker and one horn speaker - wording on front glass is "AMI" and "The World's Finest Music". - select buttons for 100 play but magazine holds 100 records - has a keylock "mode" switch in back that when repositioned, will shut all of the machine lights off and play the other 50 records in the magazine, in series (someone referred to this as "background music" mode). - two counters, one for normal play and one for "background" play - automatic selector with seven wire bundle connectors. (The spare automatic selectors that I have only have 4 wiring bundle connectors. I'm assuming that the extra wires and connectors are related to the "background" music mode.) I see you asked the owner about a built in stepper but he did not answer that. He says he has an automatic selector - so the stepper would be optional and not built-in. Regarding this we figured out that models JAK-200, JBK-120, JEK-200 and JFK-120 have the built-in steppers like models before. But with models JJK-200 and up they did not use the stepper anymore and introduced the automatic selectors which are used in Lyric and Continentals, too. That's why your JJK-200 does not have the stepper. The other thing in your answer is the amp. You state that some time ago you saw a K with two former amps inside (R-145 probably). The K sound system parts catalog says that, if R-145 is used the former sound system parts catalog (which is from model I) has to be used. But so far everybody I asked about his K had the new version amp installed. So in the meantime I almost thought that the K never had the R-145 built in. Maybe they did so on very early models? 2x R-145 was also used in J stereo models. In any case this is a very unusual model K. Maybe this was AMI answer to the upcoming background music systems before they produced an own one in 1961 (HA 600, HA 700 - so far I never saw a picture of those but they are listed in the AMI History book if I remember right). If you can find Scott's email address again I think I would email him about the amp and if he has some pictures. I think it is interesting and worth to keep the information in our Archive. Thanks again for sending this to me. Kind regards - Hildegard ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Stamann Musikboxen - Schafskamp 2 - D-27243 Klein Henstedt - www.jukebox-world.de - stamann@jukebox-world.de Tel: (++49) 04224/264, Fax: (++49) 04224-1348, Ust.Id: DE 249241577 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Graeme Harvey Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Mai 2009 09:04 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: [Jukebox-list] Fw: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information Hildegard Stamann in her last post requested information on the AMI JPK 200. The British Jukebox Owners forum was contacted about this model in January. The correspondence I had with the owner is below. It is certainly a very unusual model. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Harvey To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information G'day Scott, I would try asking the same questions on the US Group. It has a wider spread someone their may know. You will have to sign up as a member. http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: sfreborg To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: [SPAM][SPAM]Re: [SPAM]RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information Thanks to all that responded to my questions about my enigma/oddball AMI-K. Actually, the production information is not all that important to me, so I'm going to drop my quest for more details. I think the trail has gone cold now anyway, 50 years after the K was manufactured. That said, I'm looking forward to many more years of enjoyment with my K. To that end I just purchased a used K record changer, in working condition for insurance of spare parts in the future. Also, I have not ruled out purchasing another K in good condition...if anyone out there has one to part with keep me in mind......including a transaction that would include parting with my 1484.....Scott --- In bjoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Graeme Harvey" wrote: > > G'day Scott, > You have a very interesting model K. The K's that I have were manufactered in Australia and I think that they are different. I think US ones had a built in stepper on the selector. Mine do not have a built in stepper. The additional plugs may have been used to run a stepper for wallbox use.? > > Graeme Harvey > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sfreborg > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:17 PM > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [SPAM]RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information > > > Here is some additional information Graeme..... Mono (one low range > speaker and one horn speaker), wording on front glass is "AMI" and under > that "The World's Finest Music". Select buttons for 100 play, but the > magazine holds 100 records. Has a keylock "mode" switch in back that > when repositioned, will shut all of the machine lights off and play the > other 50 records in the magazine, in series (someone referred to this as > "background music" mode). Has two counters, one for normal play and one > for "background" play. I rechecked the serial number and it is 526003, > model JPK. The amp is the R2017 with the L2156. One other interesting > thing...the automatic selector has seven wire bundle connectors. The > spare automatic selectors that I have only have 4 wiring bundle > connectors. I'm assuming that the extra wires and connectors are > related to the "background" music mode. One opinion about the lack of > production information is that this model was made late in the > production year and never "took off " in sales??....Scott > > --- In bjoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Graeme Harvey" gnharvey@ wrote: > > > > G'day, > > Please tell us more about it. Stereo or mono. Manuel or > Automatic. wording on front glass under selection buttons. What > type of amps example R2017 with pre amp L2156 for mono. The reason I > asked this is that some time ago I spotted an unusual K on ebay that had > two amps side by side that were used singularly in the "G,H & I and > maybe the J. I have two K's and both use the same amps as the > Continentals. One is a manuel the other Auto both 200 select. > > Graeme Harvey > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: mike@ > > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:26 AM > > Subject: [SPAM]RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information > > > > > > Yes I noticed that , but the quoted serial number is listed (last of > all in > > the batch) , so I thought it was worth a look. > > Mike > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: JJ eastender@ > > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:12:57 -0000 (GMT) > > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information > > > > Interestingly, no JPK models mentioned there ? > > > > JJ > > > > > Try this site http://www.tomszone.com/serialami.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bjoforum@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf > > > Of sfreborg > > > Sent: 23 January 2009 03:49 > > > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone...glad to be a new member of the forum. I have three > > > jukes...Rockola 424, Rockola 1484 wall mount, and my AMI model > JPK. > > > My AMI K is in like new condition, purchased it about 15 years ago > > > from a businessman in New Jersey. I am interested in finding more > > > production information for the JPK, and why AMI did not release > more > > > information in 1960. My serial number is 526003...the only other > > > serial number I've seen is 526085. I'm also looking for more > > > information on the JPK random play feature. Thanks in advance for > any > > > info that is offered up...Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > > > __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (5) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls Keep them spinning... 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Date: Sun May 17 14:53:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Rockola 1455 parts In-Reply-To: <20090517.125351.21168.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090517.125351.21168.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4A104A93.10005@halted.com> James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Dana: > The W 2304 titleboard holders and Rock Ola 1455 trim parts that you are looking for are not being reproduced by any of the jukebox replica manufacturers--you will need to find original parts. > Here are a few leads you can try: > > On the west coast, Bill Butterfield (Musical fun For Everyone?) runs a similar business. I believe he's located in Las Vegas NV. I don't have any contact info for his company. Maybe someone on the list can help out with this. > He's actually located in Napa, California, but I believe he is traveling right now, so you may not get an answer immediately. His website is www.jukebox-parts.com (the hyphen differentiates it from Durfee's site). --Bob From srice3 at cfl.rr.com Sun May 17 15:41:22 2009 From: srice3 at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Rice) Date: Sun May 17 15:42:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240I parts References: <8CBA51FF9D6265E-1154-4489@WEBMAIL-DZ31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have had good luck finding NSM parts at a very reasonable price by checking the UK EBAY and if I see what I want I email the seller and ask if they will ship to the US. I have bought everything from title strips for my Galaxy CD 100 to replacement electronic parts for NSM audio amps (from Australia) that I could not find in the US and received the items within 10 days of the order by regular post. They were also cheaper then the ones I did find in the US. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission, and kindly delete the message without copying or disclosing it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From edbap at aol.com Sun May 17 17:27:23 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Sun May 17 17:34:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C In-Reply-To: <707708.38835.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <707708.38835.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBA5668C2D7CBD-B84-7AF7@webmail-dh31.sysops.aol.com> replaced the C-11, no change.? Driving me crazy Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 1:13 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Jim, Bad ground and or "C-11"???? Ron Rich? --- On Sun, 5/17/09, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 9:16 AM Ron - your last comment reminded me - a year or two ago I had this same problem. I checked and re-checked contacts and wiring, tried another trip coil, trip switch, swapped amps, made a shield for the trip coil - nothing worked. I then put the mech in another machine and it stopped popping. It turned out to be something in the WSR, but I did not find it. I plugged the big Jones plugs from the keyboard and pinbank directly together, bypassing the WSR, and it stopped popping. Any ideas why? Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, OK, that is correct. Now recheck the "audio shield". Check that it's NOT going to ground anywhere near the mechanism, but IS grounding well at the "RCA plug" on the amplifier. If you still have this problem, check the "M, MA", and "MB" switches on the mechanism for proper adjustment, and contact. If you still have the problem, check that the ground screw at the bottom of the terminal strip on the RH side of the mech is tight, and the wire going thru the plug is making well. If it still is there, check "C-11" in the WSR. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 11:51 PM Ron and Don, The bottom wire from the trip switch is grounded to the mechanism at the screw on the left of it, that holds the bracket that holds the cartridge wires and their connection to the wires that run to the amp.? The ground wire does not connect to any other wires, just grounds to the mech.? I have 3 other Sburg BCG mechs in my shop in various states of disrepair, and they are all wired the same way. .. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Where is the trip switch wire grounded ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:26 PM I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked them multiple times.? Do I need to add a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Rowley To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukeb ox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun May 17 18:13:11 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun May 17 18:15:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant [Was: Wurlitzer 800Pilaster Light Bulbs] References: <969337.41225.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c9d755$d0449f80$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Not me. When I read all this over some silly light bulbs, I couldn't help but think that it's been too long since some of you had any close physical contact with a member of the opposite sex. :) JK! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant [Was: Wurlitzer 800Pilaster Light Bulbs] I could no agree more. I think most of us think the same way. Regards, Tony --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Steve Wahl wrote: From: Steve Wahl Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant [Was: Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs] To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:10 PM I realize that this IS off topic, but people like "david " need to realize that they don't get to tell me what the future is, nor what I need to "embrace". So I feel the need to chip in and say that David Breneman is not alone, I for one agree with him 100%. --> Steve Wahl On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:16:56AM -0700, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Sat, 5/16/09, david wrote: > > > > Whether we like it or not LED's are the light of the future > > and we need to embrace that. > > > Government can tell me what I must do at the point of a > gun (since they reserve to themselves the right to "settle" > any argument by initiating the use of force), but they > can never convince me by threat of violence that that they > are right, nor compell me to embrace anything that I find > odious. > > They can discourage any activity by taxing it. If the > "experts" think that incandescent lamps are distasteful, > they can tax them to the point that they are the most > expensive lighting option. That way, people that want > to use them can, and the vast majority of people, who > don't care, will be herded towards the socially virtuous > option. But there is no reason to outright ban something > that harms no one, except a tribal desire to exercise > naked force over others. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Good programmers : Microsoft products :: good chefs : McDonalds products _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Sun May 17 13:08:03 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Sun May 17 18:42:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] updatePop goes the weasel, Seeburg C In-Reply-To: <147441.28550.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <147441.28550.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBA54251ED8387-B84-742D@webmail-dh31.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Ron, Tried all the solutions, same results. Could not find where the C-11 is in the WSR,(down by the reject plug?)?so I replaced the WSR with another that I have, same result....This is starting to affect my mental health!? Thanks Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 8:12 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, OK, that is correct. Now recheck the "audio shield". Check that it's NOT going to ground anywhere near the mechanism, but IS grounding well at the "RCA plug" on the amplifier. If you still have this problem, check the "M, MA", and "MB" switches on the mechanism for proper adjustment, and contact. If you still have the problem, check that the ground screw at the bottom of the terminal strip on the RH side of the mech is tight, and the wire going thru the plug is making well. If it still is there, check? "C-11" in the WSR. Ron Rich ? --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 11:51 PM Ron and Don, The bottom wire from the trip switch is grounded to the mechanism at the screw on the left of it, that holds the bracket that holds the cartridge wires and their connection to the wires that run to the amp.? The ground wire does not connect to any other wires, just grounds to the mech.? I have 3 other Sburg BCG mechs in my shop in various states of disrepair, and they are all wired the same way. . -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Where is the trip switch wire grounded ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:26 PM I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked them multiple times.? Do I need to a dd a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Rowley To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sun May 17 18:49:29 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sun May 17 18:51:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant [Was: Wurlitzer800Pilaster Light Bulbs] References: <969337.41225.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000701c9d755$d0449f80$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <1B559418E1A54E43874A289F93BD56B2@Graeme> Jim I still cannot stop laughing. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant [Was: Wurlitzer800Pilaster Light Bulbs] > Not me. When I read all this over some silly light bulbs, I couldn't help > but think that it's been too long since some of you had any close physical > contact with a member of the opposite sex. :) JK! > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lala Blah Blah" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant [Was: Wurlitzer > 800Pilaster Light Bulbs] > > > I could no agree more. I think most of us think the same way. > > Regards, Tony > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Steve Wahl wrote: > > > From: Steve Wahl > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant [Was: Wurlitzer 800 > Pilaster Light Bulbs] > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:10 PM > > > I realize that this IS off topic, but people like "david > " need to realize that they don't get to tell me > what the future is, nor what I need to "embrace". So I feel the need > to chip in and say that David Breneman is not alone, I for one agree > with him 100%. > > --> Steve Wahl > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:16:56AM -0700, David Breneman wrote: >> >> --- On Sat, 5/16/09, david wrote: >> >> >> > Whether we like it or not LED's are the light of the future >> > and we need to embrace that. >> >> >> Government can tell me what I must do at the point of a >> gun (since they reserve to themselves the right to "settle" >> any argument by initiating the use of force), but they >> can never convince me by threat of violence that that they >> are right, nor compell me to embrace anything that I find >> odious. >> >> They can discourage any activity by taxing it. If the >> "experts" think that incandescent lamps are distasteful, >> they can tax them to the point that they are the most >> expensive lighting option. That way, people that want >> to use them can, and the vast majority of people, who >> don't care, will be herded towards the socially virtuous >> option. But there is no reason to outright ban something >> that harms no one, except a tribal desire to exercise >> naked force over others. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > Good programmers : Microsoft products :: good chefs : McDonalds products > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite sites. Download it now > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From roywdean at cox.net Sun May 17 18:47:44 2009 From: roywdean at cox.net (Roy Dean) Date: Sun May 17 19:11:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant References: <561999.95309.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090517181042.GB3360@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: Just a Quick response to Davids comment on the Goverment control of light bulbs. More of us MUST speak out about what "WE THE PEOPLE" realy want and that is to Goveren not control what WE want,need,get paid,pay others,and the likes. We need to take control of our country and not let the few that are "in charge make all the decisions for us. Just my $.02 worth. Roy From bobe at halted.com Sun May 17 10:47:48 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Sun May 17 19:14:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant [Was: Wurlitzer 800 Pilaster Light Bulbs] In-Reply-To: <561999.95309.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <561999.95309.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A104DC4.3080600@halted.com> David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sat, 5/16/09, david wrote: > > > >> Whether we like it or not LED's are the light of the future >> and we need to embrace that. >> > > > Government can tell me what I must do at the point of a > gun (since they reserve to themselves the right to "settle" > any argument by initiating the use of force), but they > can never convince me by threat of violence that that they > are right, nor compell me to embrace anything that I find > odious. > I doubt whether incandescent lamps will be legislated out of existence, and I suspect that there will always be specialty manufacturers to cater to the retro and restoration market (as long as it is economically viable). I bet it will be similar to the life-cycle of vacuum tubes, where they simply became vastly less prevalent due to engineering advantages, power consumption issues and market forces. But tubes are still being manufactured, albeit on a reduced scale of variety and production volume. No one needed to pass laws to make transistors take over for the bulk of jobs formerly done by vacuum tubes, their inherent advantages were enough to do that. The problem yet to be solved with lower-energy illumination sources is in the area of toxicity of certain components and manufacturing by-products, as well as their disposal, namely gallium, arsenic, and mercury, amongst perhaps others. Those things will probably take legislation to address, and deservedly so. --Bob From goldenflash60 at aol.com Sun May 17 19:09:46 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Sun May 17 19:18:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240I parts In-Reply-To: References: <8CBA51FF9D6265E-1154-4489@WEBMAIL-DZ31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBA574D9D3AF6F-598-26E6@WEBMAIL-MB20.sysops.aol.com> thakyou.? do you have any troubles with your galaxy.? i have one too and every once and a while it will play the wrong song or even just sit there and spin with no music.? almost always if you unplug it and plug it back in it works -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Rice To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 5:41 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240I parts I have had good luck finding NSM parts at a very reasonable price by checking the UK EBAY and if I see what I want I email the seller and ask if they will ship to the US. I have bought everything from title strips for my Galaxy CD 100 to replacement electronic parts for NSM audio amps (from Australia) that I could not find in the US and received the items within 10 days of the order by regular post. They were also cheaper then the ones I did find in the US. Good luck.? ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------? Please do not use or circulate this e-mail transmission in the absence of explicit written permission from the original sender. Its contents are privileged and confidential, and are meant for use only by the named addressee(s) or entity. If the reader is not an intended recipient, then dissemination, in whole or in part, of these materials is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission, and kindly delete the message without copying or disclosing it.? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun May 17 19:53:13 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun May 17 19:54:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant [Was: Wurlitzer800Pilaster Light Bulbs] Message-ID: <631319.16202.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Graeme Harvey wrote: > Jim I still cannot stop laughing. Humorous rejoinder, but the issue is serious. Some may be sanguine to have the government push them around. Some object to it, no matter how many times we get laid... Then they'll ban that, too. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun May 17 19:58:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun May 17 20:00:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] updatePop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Message-ID: <626971.68801.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ed, Do not allow your "mental health" to be infected--affected ! C-11 is usually soldered across the external reject plug, however I have seen it in other places, in some WSR production runs. OK--you have proven that it is NOT the WSR-- Have you examined the ground connection at the terminal strip to, and through the mechanism plug (ground), to?the WSR ? Have you proven that the "M,MA, MB" switches ARE making good contact at the time that they should?"make", and that there are no broken wires anywhere in that circuit ?? Have you determined that?the RCA plug ground is making good contact onto the socket, and that it does NOT contact ground anywhere else?? Have you determined that the "mute wires", going to the?("3 pin")?mute plug on the amp are good through the mech cable???One or more of the above MUST be the problem---. Ron Rich ? ? --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] updatePop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:08 PM Thanks Ron, Tried all the solutions, same results. Could not find where the C-11 is in the WSR,(down by the reject plug?)?so I replaced the WSR with another that I have, same result....This is starting to affect my mental health!? Thanks Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 8:12 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, OK, that is correct. Now recheck the "audio shield". Check that it's NOT going to ground anywhere near the mechanism, but IS grounding well at the "RCA plug" on the amplifier. If you still have this problem, check the "M, MA", and "MB" switches on the mechanism for proper adjustment, and contact. If you still have the problem, check that the ground screw at the bottom of the terminal strip on the RH side of the mech is tight, and the wire going thru the plug is making well. If it still is there, check? "C-11" in the WSR. Ron Rich ? --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 11:51 PM Ron and Don, The bottom wire from the trip switch is grounded to the mechanism at the screw on the left of it, that holds the bracket that holds the cartridge wires and their connection to the wires that run to the amp.? The ground wire does not connect to any other wires, just grounds to the mech.? I have 3 other Sburg BCG mechs in my shop in various states of disrepair, and they are all wired the same way. . -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Where is the trip switch wire grounded ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:26 PM I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked them multiple times.? Do I need to a dd a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Rowley To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Sun May 17 21:01:19 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Sun May 17 21:03:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] updatePop goes the weasel, Seeburg C In-Reply-To: <626971.68801.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <626971.68801.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBA5846F5D3A8C-24C-4FBA@WEBMAIL-DY13.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the help Ron, I do appreciate it.? I will recheck all in the morning. ED -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 7:58 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] updatePop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Do not allow your "mental health" to be infected--affected ! C-11 is usually soldered across the external reject plug, however I have seen it in other places, in some WSR production runs. OK--you have proven that it is NOT the WSR-- Have you examined the ground connection at the terminal strip to, and through the mechanism plug (ground), to?the WSR ? Have you proven that the "M,MA, MB" switches ARE making good contact at the time that they should?"make", and that there are no broken wires anywhere in that circuit ?? Have you determined that?the RCA plug ground is making good contact onto the socket, and that it does NOT contact ground anywhere else?? Have you determined that the "mute wires", going to the?("3 pin")?mute plug on the amp are good through the mech cable???One or more of the above MUST be the problem---. Ron Rich ? ? --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] updatePop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:08 PM Thanks Ron, Tried all the solutions, same results. Could not find where the C-11 is in the WSR,(down by the reject plug?)?so I replaced the WSR with another that I have, same result....This is starting to affect my mental health!? Thanks Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 8:12 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, OK, that is correct. Now recheck the "audio shield". Check that it's NOT going to ground anywhere near the mechanism, but IS grounding well at the "RCA plug" on the amplifier. If you still have this problem, check the "M, MA", and "MB" switches on the mechanism for proper adjustment, and contact. If you still have the problem, check that the ground screw at the bottom of the terminal strip on the RH side of the mech is tight, and the wire going thru the plug is making well . If it still is there, check? "C-11" in the WSR. Ron Rich ? --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 11:51 PM Ron and Don, The bottom wire from the trip switch is grounded to the mechanism at the screw on the left of it, that holds the bracket that holds the cartridge wires and their connection to the wires that run to the amp.? The ground wire does not connect to any other wires, just grounds to the mech.? I have 3 other Sburg BCG mechs in my shop in various states of disrepair, and they are all wired the same way. . -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Where is the trip switch wire grounded ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:26 PM I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked them multiple times.? Do I need to a dd a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Rowley To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is a nything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dave.halford at telent.com Mon May 18 01:25:27 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Mon May 18 01:37:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WARNING - Political Rant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can we please stop this thread before any more 'respect for others' is lost. regards Dave H Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From srice3 at cfl.rr.com Mon May 18 03:11:05 2009 From: srice3 at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Rice) Date: Mon May 18 03:12:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240Iparts References: <8CBA51FF9D6265E-1154-4489@WEBMAIL-DZ31.sysops.aol.com> <8CBA574D9D3AF6F-598-26E6@WEBMAIL-MB20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3E3E5CC371F64E2A99B748416ED3C693@yourguessing> No, it is a work in progress though because it was pretty mistreated. I have never had it select the wrong song or spin and not play but once in awhile I get an intermittent Err 71 or Err 72 which when I go into service mode and check the deck it starts working again. Still hunting for that problem. >thakyou.? do you have any troubles with your galaxy.? i have one too and >every once and a while it will play the wrong song >or even just sit there >and spin with no music.? almost always if you unplug it and plug it back in >it works ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not use or circulate this e-mail transmission in the absence of explicit written permission from the original sender. Its contents are privileged and confidential, and are meant for use only by the named addressee(s) or entity. If the reader is not an intended recipient, then dissemination, in whole or in part, of these materials is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission, and kindly delete the message without copying or disclosing it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sun May 17 19:26:38 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Mon May 18 08:57:59 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Fw: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information Message-ID: <439246.91637.qm@web111506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have a 3/4's complete AMI K manual.. if I may be so rude to interject. Is ALOT the same as the AMI Contenetal 1 and in some aspects 2. The ami k was available as mono or stereo. (excuse me I deleted the posts of the question so I am assuming to help). The 50 record version had a mono amp and it was integrated. (one unit) if you converted to stereo you yank out the pre-amp module and put in the other amp module and add in the pre-amp as this is bing said I have the ACTUAL preamp here (to make it stereo).. (kinda makes me laugh as if I am actaully helping its virtually in my hands. Its model is numbered R-2020. I am in the midst os changing my AMI model K over.. alas this pre-amp is not mine (sigh).. but it needs to be rebuilt (typical cap job and NO tubes.. no probs.. since I have 56,000 here LOL).. anayway.. I love my AMI model k.. HATE the 6973 tubes.. (an A-Bomb waiting to go off). So I did the `Bill Bickers special job``and converted to 6EM5`s (you can also use 6CZ5`s) ANYONE else that says 6CL6 is a nut.. as you will loose ouput power and also blow the output transformer. BILL knows what he is talking about. There are also other tubes that people are trying to recommend.. Nope don`t trust them.. unless you have the money and time to hunt down a output transformer. (yes I have ONE spare.. and in excellent condition).. saved it for some poor soul that got sucked in by some of these `fly by night ebayers``I told told these characters... they were wrong.. but no no do the quick sale.. please be very wary.. 6EM5 or 6CZ5 are the only tubes that can work for AMI model K Continental 1 and 2. I? really enjoy being in this group --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Stamann wrote: From: Stamann Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Fw: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information To: "Graeme Harvey" , "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 5:07 PM Hello Graeme, thanks for sending this to me. Somehow I must have missed this post. I will summary the details for the JPK-200: - Serial numbers known so far: 526003,? 526085 - random play feature - Mono - amp R2017 with the L2156 - one low range speaker and one horn speaker - wording on front glass is "AMI" and "The World's Finest Music". - select buttons for 100 play but magazine holds 100 records - has a keylock "mode" switch in back that when repositioned, will shut all of the machine lights off and play the other 50 records in the magazine, in series (someone referred to this as "background music" mode). - two counters, one for normal play and one for "background" play - automatic selector with seven wire bundle connectors. (The spare automatic selectors that I have only have 4 wiring bundle connectors. I'm assuming that the extra wires and connectors are related to the "background" music mode.) I see you asked the owner about a built in stepper but he did not answer that. He says he has an automatic selector - so the stepper would be optional and not built-in. Regarding this we figured out that models JAK-200, JBK-120, JEK-200 and JFK-120 have the built-in steppers like models before. But with models JJK-200 and up they did not use the stepper anymore and introduced the automatic selectors which are used in Lyric and Continentals, too. That's why your JJK-200 does not have the stepper. The other thing in your answer is the amp. You state that some time ago you saw a K with two former amps inside (R-145 probably). The K sound system parts catalog says that, if R-145 is used the former sound system parts catalog (which is from model I) has to be used. But so far everybody I asked about his K had the new version amp installed. So in the meantime I almost thought that the K never had the R-145 built in. Maybe they did so on very early models? 2x R-145 was also used in J stereo models. In any case this is a very unusual model K. Maybe this was AMI answer to the upcoming background music systems before they produced an own one in 1961 (HA 600, HA 700 - so far I never saw a picture of those but they are listed in the AMI History book if I remember right). If you can find Scott's email address again I think I would email him about the amp and if he has some pictures. I think it is interesting and worth to keep the information in our Archive. Thanks again for sending this to me. Kind regards - Hildegard ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Stamann Musikboxen - Schafskamp 2 - D-27243 Klein Henstedt - www.jukebox-world.de - stamann@jukebox-world.de Tel: (++49) 04224/264, Fax: (++49) 04224-1348, Ust.Id: DE 249241577 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Graeme Harvey Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Mai 2009 09:04 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: [Jukebox-list] Fw: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information Hildegard Stamann in her last post requested information on the AMI JPK 200. The British Jukebox Owners forum was contacted about this model in January. The correspondence I had with the owner is below.??? It is certainly a very unusual model. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Harvey To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information G'day Scott, I would try asking the same questions on the US Group. It has a wider spread someone their may know.? ???You will have to sign up as a member. http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Graeme Harvey ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: sfreborg ? To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com ? Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:10 AM ? Subject: [SPAM][SPAM]Re: [SPAM]RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information ? Thanks to all that responded to my questions about my enigma/oddball ? AMI-K. Actually, the production information is not all that important ? to me, so I'm going to drop my quest for more details. I think the ? trail has gone cold now anyway, 50 years after the K was manufactured. ? That said, I'm looking forward to many more years of enjoyment with my ? K. To that end I just purchased a used K record changer, in working ? condition for insurance of spare parts in the future. Also, I have not ? ruled out purchasing another K in good condition...if anyone out there ? has one to part with keep me in mind......including a transaction that ? would include parting with my 1484.....Scott ? --- In bjoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Graeme Harvey" wrote: ? > ? > G'day Scott, ? > You have a very interesting model K. The K's that I have were ? manufactered in Australia and I think that they are different. I ? think US ones had a built in stepper on the selector. Mine do not ? have a built in stepper. The additional plugs may have been used to ? run a stepper for wallbox use.? ? > ? > Graeme Harvey ? > ? > ? > ? > ----- Original Message ----- ? > From: sfreborg ? > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com ? > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:17 PM ? > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [SPAM]RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information ? > ? > ? > Here is some additional information Graeme..... Mono (one low range ? > speaker and one horn speaker), wording on front glass is "AMI" and ? under ? > that "The World's Finest Music". Select buttons for 100 play, but ? the ? > magazine holds 100 records. Has a keylock "mode" switch in back that ? > when repositioned, will shut all of the machine lights off and play ? the ? > other 50 records in the magazine, in series (someone referred to ? this as ? > "background music" mode). Has two counters, one for normal play and ? one ? > for "background" play. I rechecked the serial number and it is ? 526003, ? > model JPK. The amp is the R2017 with the L2156. One other ? interesting ? > thing...the automatic selector has seven wire bundle connectors. The ? > spare automatic selectors that I have only have 4 wiring bundle ? > connectors. I'm assuming that the extra wires and connectors are ? > related to the "background" music mode. One opinion about the lack ? of ? > production information is that this model was made late in the ? > production year and never "took off " in sales??....Scott ? > ? > --- In bjoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Graeme Harvey" gnharvey@ wrote: ? > > ? > > G'day, ? > > Please tell us more about it. Stereo or mono. Manuel or ? > Automatic. wording on front glass under selection buttons. What ? > type of amps example R2017 with pre amp L2156 for mono. The reason I ? > asked this is that some time ago I spotted an unusual K on ebay that ? had ? > two amps side by side that were used singularly in the "G,H & I and ? > maybe the J. I have two K's and both use the same amps as the ? > Continentals. One is a manuel the other Auto both 200 select. ? > > Graeme Harvey ? > > ? > > ----- Original Message ----- ? > > From: mike@ ? > > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com ? > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:26 AM ? > > Subject: [SPAM]RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information ? > > ? > > ? > > Yes I noticed that , but the quoted serial number is listed (last ? of ? > all in ? > > the batch) , so I thought it was worth a look. ? > > Mike ? > > ? > > Original Message: ? > > ----------------- ? > > From: JJ eastender@ ? > > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:12:57 -0000 (GMT) ? > > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com ? > > Subject: RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information ? > > ? > > Interestingly, no JPK models mentioned there ? ? > > ? > > JJ ? > > ? > > > Try this site http://www.tomszone.com/serialami.html ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > Mike ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > _____ ? > > > ? > > > From: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bjoforum@yahoogroups.com] ? > On Behalf ? > > > Of sfreborg ? > > > Sent: 23 January 2009 03:49 ? > > > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com ? > > > Subject: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > Hi everyone...glad to be a new member of the forum. I have three ? > > > jukes...Rockola 424, Rockola 1484 wall mount, and my AMI model ? > JPK. ? > > > My AMI K is in like new condition, purchased it about 15 years ? ago ? > > > from a businessman in New Jersey. I am interested in finding ? more ? > > > production information for the JPK, and why AMI did not release ? > more ? > > > information in 1960. My serial number is 526003...the only other ? > > > serial number I've seen is 526085. I'm also looking for more ? > > > information on the JPK random play feature. Thanks in advance ? for ? > any ? > > > info that is offered up...Scott ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > ? > > ? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ? > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at ? > > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ? > > ? > __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (5) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls Keep them spinning... 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In-Reply-To: <626971.68801.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <626971.68801.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBA5EEF9777512-1074-BB5@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> Thanks to Ron's check off list, I found the problem.? No more Pop sounds!? There was a broken wire coming off the MB switch, looked like it was cut.? A little solder and its working as it should.?(Only took me about 3 days to find it!) ?I guess all the other upgrades will just make it a better machine in the long run, thanks for all the help guys, I do appreciate it. Im now gonna go on "Always Jukin" and get Ron's book, to keep for reference.? What a great Monday! Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 7:58 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] updatePop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Do not allow your "mental health" to be infected--affected ! C-11 is usually soldered across the external reject plug, however I have seen it in other places, in some WSR production runs. OK--you have proven that it is NOT the WSR-- Have you examined the ground connection at the terminal strip to, and through the mechanism plug (ground), to?the WSR ? Have you proven that the "M,MA, MB" switches ARE making good contact at the time that they should?"make", and that there are no broken wires anywhere in that circuit ?? Have you determined that?the RCA plug ground is making good contact onto the socket, and that it does NOT contact ground anywhere else?? Have you determined that the "mute wires", going to the?("3 pin")?mute plug on the amp are good through the mech cable???One or more of the above MUST be the problem---. Ron Rich ? ? --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] updatePop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:08 PM Thanks Ron, Tried all the solutions, same results. Could not find where the C-11 is in the WSR,(down by the reject plug?)?so I replaced the WSR with another that I have, same result....This is starting to affect my mental health!? Thanks Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 8:12 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, OK, that is correct. Now recheck the "audio shield". Check that it's NOT going to ground anywhere near the mechanism, but IS grounding well at the "RCA plug" on the amplifier. If you still have this problem, check the "M, MA", and "MB" switches on the mechanism for proper adjustment, and contact. If you still have the problem, check that the ground screw at the bottom of the terminal strip on the RH side of the mech is tight, and the wire going thru the plug is making well . If it still is there, check? "C-11" in the WSR. Ron Rich ? --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 11:51 PM Ron and Don, The bottom wire from the trip switch is grounded to the mechanism at the screw on the left of it, that holds the bracket that holds the cartridge wires and their connection to the wires that run to the amp.? The ground wire does not connect to any other wires, just grounds to the mech.? I have 3 other Sburg BCG mechs in my shop in various states of disrepair, and they are all wired the same way. . -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Where is the trip switch wire grounded ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:26 PM I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked them multiple times.? Do I need to a dd a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Rowley To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is a nything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon May 18 11:17:35 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon May 18 11:20:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240Iparts Message-ID: <20090518.141735.17452.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: RE: NSM 80's era record changer intermittent problems. Several years ago I serviced an 80's NSM juke that showed similar symptoms. The problem turned out to be an intermittent "travelling" cable on the mech, where various connectionsgrounds to the mech sensors were making and breaking continuity with the CPU chassis. The failing cable caused the computer to generate error codes. I believe the machine was an ES160 Prestige II. Quite a few of the grey ribbon-type interconnecting cables/connectors used by NSM in these machines are standard wiring assemblies used for computer assembly. You can likely have a new mech ribbon cable either as a part or made to order by going to a local computer assembler/manufacturer. There are usually several in major cities. hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Secure your future with a professionally crafted will. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbVFJUR1CE5pRliEl36B9bCMBprbb6b83nerPcuoMI5Gm4k89HS4Q/ From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Mon May 18 11:29:07 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Mon May 18 11:31:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1100 References: <28252-4A0FAD0A-5002@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <74327A46660B4CE8AE703BAE40CDF7EE@yoursz6x6sefxo> Jim, I've taken a bunch of Wurlitzer 1100 hinge pics for you. I'm sending them to your email shortly. If you dont get them or have more questions, let me know. Regards, William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1100 > William , I just finished restoring an 1100, and I think I either have > the wrong door hinges on it, or I have installed them wrong. I ended up > with a big gap in the front door, most pronounced on the upper part of > the door. There is the hinge and another plate top and bottom on the > front door jambs. Could you look at yours and tell me which is on top > and which is on the bottom. or even send me some pics of the upper and > lower door hinges? The book doesnt show how its installed very well. I > may even possibly have the wrong hinges on there. This restoration took > a long time, and now Im trying to back track. Thanks, Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon May 18 11:58:05 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon May 18 12:01:48 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Fw: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information Message-ID: <20090518.145805.11790.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> In case you weren't aware, there is a current-generation, genuine 6973 tube being made by Russian manufacturer Electro-Harmonix. I've been using these successfully in amp repairs with few problems. The new EH tubes can usually bought for less cost than trying to find new old-American stock 6973's. The 6EM5/6CZ5 substitute tubes can usually be had for even less money. What you're saying is true---6EM5 and 6CZ5 (originally intended as horizontal output tubes for TV) will substitute well as 6973 audio power output tubes. There are a few other tube types that can sub for a 6973 in a pinch, but will offer reduced performance. The 6973's in jukebox applications are usually operated close to the tube's voltage/current limits so they will normally run rather hot. If the cathode or grid bias is off-normal in your amp,this can cause the tube to draw too much plate current,which can burn open an output transformer. This is more likely to happen if you are using one of the less-hardy 6973 substitutes. When replacing 6973's (or 6EM5's) change them in pairs. For example, don't intermix 1 6973 with one 6EM5. In certain model amplifiers it will be necessary to make a minor wiring modification to accomodate the substitutes. Apparently your AMI is one of these. The modified tube socket will then be able to accept either the 6EM5 or the 6973 types without further wiring change. It is necessary to install a jumper wire between Pin # 1 and # 8 on the 6973 socket to enable the tube's screen grid operation. Apparently, there's quite a bit of unsold old stock of these TV tubes, as none of the offshore tube makers are building fresh versions of them. On the other hand, beware of a few unscrupulous tube sellers that are taking 6EM5's and other substitutes,and re labelling them as genuine higher priced 6973's. Hope this helps take some of the "witchcraft" out of the 6973 tube issue, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save on DVDs. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXqip02KfneUz7zbmMEdeJRf7iVIWYygmqkNBqyFWgxFe2OFG3aIg/ From srice3 at cfl.rr.com Mon May 18 13:59:05 2009 From: srice3 at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Rice) Date: Mon May 18 13:59:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240Iparts References: <20090518.141735.17452.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <9FAB7C5EB431400B82AFEB2220014CAB@yourguessing> Thanks Jim! I will watch for that to see if it could be the problem with the error that is intermittent. It sounds logical to me and good advice. Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not use or circulate this e-mail transmission in the absence of explicit written permission from the original sender. Its contents are privileged and confidential, and are meant for use only by the named addressee(s) or entity. 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There are Internet sellers trying to get $60+ each for new old US stock 6973 tubes. By the way, if you are collecting newer 60's-model Rowe jukeboxes, Electro-Harmonix is now building a # 7868 audio tube. This is another tube type that has been hard to find (expensive) for awhile. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss. Click here for information on starting your own business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRRJWLJaJtrv82icVdi3LNcL2ypP2S6HpCaIqGTinLFEWPkUnEBG4/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon May 18 16:50:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon May 18 16:51:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The weasel is gone! Message-ID: <785746.56667.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ed, Glad you "gottit"--And thanks for buying the Guide.? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] The weasel is gone! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 9:43 AM Thanks to Ron's check off list, I found the problem.? No more Pop sounds!? There was a broken wire coming off the MB switch, looked like it was cut.? A little solder and its working as it should.?(Only took me about 3 days to find it!) ?I guess all the other upgrades will just make it a better machine in the long run, thanks for all the help guys, I do appreciate it. Im now gonna go on "Always Jukin" and get Ron's book, to keep for reference.? What a great Monday! Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 7:58 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] updatePop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Do not allow your "mental health" to be infected--affected ! C-11 is usually soldered across the external reject plug, however I have seen it in other places, in some WSR production runs. OK--you have proven that it is NOT the WSR-- Have you examined the ground connection at the terminal strip to, and through the mechanism plug (ground), to?the WSR ? Have you proven that the "M,MA, MB" switches ARE making good contact at the time that they should?"make", and that there are no broken wires anywhere in that circuit ?? Have you determined that?the RCA plug ground is making good contact onto the socket, and that it does NOT contact ground anywhere else?? Have you determined that the "mute wires", going to the?("3 pin")?mute plug on the amp are good through the mech cable???One or more of the above MUST be the problem---. Ron Rich ? ? --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] updatePop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:08 PM Thanks Ron, Tried all the solutions, same results. Could not find where the C-11 is in the WSR,(down by the reject plug?)?so I replaced the WSR with another that I have, same result....This is starting to affect my mental health!? Thanks Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 8:12 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, OK, that is correct. Now recheck the "audio shield". Check that it's NOT going to ground anywhere near the mechanism, but IS grounding well at the "RCA plug" on the amplifier. If you still have this problem, check the "M, MA", and "MB" switches on the mechanism for proper adjustment, and contact. If you still have the problem, check that the ground screw at the bottom of the terminal strip on the RH side of the mech is tight, and the wire going thru the plug is making well .. If it still is there, check? "C-11" in the WSR. Ron Rich ? --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 11:51 PM Ron and Don, The bottom wire from the trip switch is grounded to the mechanism at the screw on the left of it, that holds the bracket that holds the cartridge wires and their connection to the wires that run to the amp.? The ground wire does not connect to any other wires, just grounds to the mech.? I have 3 other Sburg BCG mechs in my shop in various states of disrepair, and they are all wired the same way. .. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C Ed, Where is the trip switch wire grounded ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pop goes the weasel, Seeburg C To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:26 PM I need help.? I have Seeburg C that is done, Amp professionally done, sounds great, works great, but that annoying Pop sound at reject, and also when machine stops to play a record.? I have read Dr. KIA book, and have not found a solution.? The mute switches are all clean, and adjusted right, I have rechecked them multiple times.? Do I need to a dd a resistor someplace?? Let me know where, and I will be on it.? I just can't let this go out the door with this annoying "POP".? Thanks, Ed in Seattle Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Rowley To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 9:55 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WQ 200 Wallbox I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. Think it is the WQ-200. Questions 1. is a nything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Any for Sale? thanks. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon May 18 17:00:11 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon May 18 17:01:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240Iparts Message-ID: <107825.10948.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yea, but EH has discontinued the 7199 tube.? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 5/18/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240Iparts To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 2:31 PM Hello Steve: Some folks seem to have the wrong idea about what it takes to keep 6973-type amplifiers happily working.???Its a bit of achallenge,but just letting you know there's more than one way to do it --without having to spend a ton of money.? ? ? ? ? ? ???It sounds like you've got the right idea.? There are Internet sellers trying to get $60+? each for new old US stock 6973 tubes. By the way, if you are collecting newer 60's-model Rowe jukeboxes, Electro-Harmonix is now building a # 7868 audio tube.? ? This is another tube type that has been hard to find (expensive) for awhile. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss.? Click here for information on starting your own business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRRJWLJaJtrv82icVdi3LNcL2ypP2S6HpCaIqGTinLFEWPkUnEBG4/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Mon May 18 18:38:42 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon May 18 18:40:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240Iparts In-Reply-To: <20090518.141735.17452.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090518.141735.17452.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4A120DA2.6090308@telus.net> James Alexander wrote: > > Gentlemen: > RE: NSM 80's era record changer intermittent problems. > Several years ago I serviced an 80's NSM juke that showed similar symptoms. The problem turned out to be an intermittent "travelling" cable on the mech, where various connectionsgrounds to the mech sensors were making and breaking continuity with the CPU chassis. The failing cable caused the computer to generate error codes. I believe the machine was an ES160 Prestige II. > Quite a few of the grey ribbon-type interconnecting cables/connectors used by NSM in these machines are standard wiring assemblies used for computer assembly. You can likely have a new mech ribbon cable either as a part or made to order by going to a local computer assembler/manufacturer. There are usually several in major cities. > hope this helps, > Jim Alexander > Depending on the model I do have NOS replacement cables for the NSM mechanisms. If you use your own wire try for a VERY flexible type of wire - regular lamp cord will fail after only a few years of intermittent use. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From srice3 at cfl.rr.com Mon May 18 18:51:10 2009 From: srice3 at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Rice) Date: Mon May 18 18:51:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] does anyone have any nsm satellite 200 or 240Iparts References: <20090518.173140.3539.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <47D4772A745442CFB47E751C440D0D03@yourguessing> Yes Jim you are right that tubes are hard to come by and it is probably a good idea to keep a small stock when you can find good prices on some tubes! Don't I wish I had kept my old tube inventory when I retired! The old adage "It pays to shop" is very true. I would never profess to be an expert (or semi-expert) because I work on the jukeboxes as a hobby and for the fun of it. It was not my profession. If it got too expensive then I would have to stop. Only have 3 juke boxes (AMI, rockola, NSM) and they are all solid state but sure miss the sound that the old tube amps generated! Still there is a lot of satisfaction when you first get a non working juke box running. I do still use tubes in my amateur radio though. What is nice is that there are groups like this where we can ask others for ideas and get advice from others that may have been through similar problems and enjoy jukeboxes to! Steve >Hello Steve: >Some folks seem to have the wrong idea about what it takes to keep >6973-type amplifiers happily working. Its a bit of >achallenge,but just >letting you know there's more than one way to do it --without having to >spend a ton of money. It >sounds like you've got the right >idea. There are Internet sellers trying to get $60+ each for new old US >stock 6973 tubes. >By the way, if you are collecting newer 60's-model Rowe jukeboxes, >Electro-Harmonix is now building a # 7868 audio >tube. This is another >tube type that has been hard to find (expensive) for awhile. >Jim Alexander From Trollmasters at webtv.net Mon May 18 22:15:30 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Mon May 18 22:17:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1100 In-Reply-To: "William Hill" 's message of Mon, 18 May 2009 14:29:07 -0400 Message-ID: <28735-4A124072-251@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Got the pics ok William , I will be looking at them closely , comparing . Might have to verify something with you if I see an inconsistency. Thanks ! Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From coonjerkins at gmail.com Wed May 20 07:39:50 2009 From: coonjerkins at gmail.com (JE) Date: Wed May 20 07:47:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems Message-ID: <803330400905200739r4e0c4b2fs1aa3c6be70237e82@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everybody. I'm new to this group, I've been reading in the archives trying to catch up on a lot of good information here. I recently inherited a Wurlitzer 600 that has been part of our family for about 30 years. I have a lot of fond memories about this machine, and I want to try and fix it up as best I can, with the limited knowledge I have at this time. Baby steps, I guess. I fixed a mechanical problem that was preventing the turntable from spinning, I'm lucky it was an easy fix. Everything else seems to work on it, except the sound. Which was the original problem my Mom said it had. I can hear the music playing, but it's not amplified. I'm not sure if I'm just hearing the music from the needle on the record. It's very faint, but it's playing. I can hear it by the record, but not by the speaker. I'm not sure where to start looking from here. Is that an amp problem? I noticed the amp is from another Wurlitzer because it's a model 854. All I can tell you is that the tubes I can see are glowing. Any bit of troubleshooting or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time! Jon From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Wed May 20 08:20:19 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Wed May 20 08:28:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems References: <803330400905200739r4e0c4b2fs1aa3c6be70237e82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5BC95913AC034628883050FADEDCED33@yoursz6x6sefxo> Jon, The 854 amp will work fine. Are ALL the tubes glowing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "JE" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems > Hi Everybody. > > I'm new to this group, I've been reading in the archives trying to catch > up > on a lot of good information here. > I recently inherited a Wurlitzer 600 that has been part of our family for > about 30 years. > I have a lot of fond memories about this machine, and I want to try and > fix > it up as best I can, > with the limited knowledge I have at this time. Baby steps, I guess. > > I fixed a mechanical problem that was preventing the turntable from > spinning, I'm lucky it was an easy fix. > Everything else seems to work on it, except the sound. Which was the > original problem my Mom said it had. > > I can hear the music playing, but it's not amplified. I'm not sure if I'm > just hearing the music from the needle on the record. > It's very faint, but it's playing. I can hear it by the record, but not > by > the speaker. > I'm not sure where to start looking from here. Is that an amp problem? > I noticed the amp is from another Wurlitzer because it's a model 854. All > I > can tell you is that the tubes I can see are glowing. > > Any bit of troubleshooting or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks for your time! > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed May 20 08:59:05 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed May 20 09:00:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems Message-ID: <578858.29640.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jon, Quick test--pull the "AC" plug for the amp--play a record--still "hear it"--if so, it's off the needle, if not, you had "some" amplification-- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 5/20/09, JE wrote: From: JE Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 7:39 AM Hi Everybody. I'm new to this group, I've been reading in the archives trying to catch up on a lot of good information here. I recently inherited a Wurlitzer 600 that has been part of our family for about 30 years. I have a lot of fond memories about this machine, and I want to try and fix it up as best I can, with the limited knowledge I have at this time.? Baby steps, I guess. I? fixed a mechanical problem that was preventing the turntable from spinning, I'm lucky it was an easy fix. Everything else seems to work on it, except the sound. Which was the original problem my Mom said it had. I can hear the music playing, but it's not amplified.? I'm not sure if I'm just hearing the music from the needle on the record. It's very faint, but it's playing.? I can hear it by the record, but not by the speaker. I'm not sure where to start looking from here.? Is that an amp problem? I noticed the amp is from another Wurlitzer because it's a model 854.? All I can tell you is that the tubes I can see are glowing. Any bit of troubleshooting or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time! Jon _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From coonjerkins at gmail.com Wed May 20 09:27:17 2009 From: coonjerkins at gmail.com (JE) Date: Wed May 20 09:28:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems In-Reply-To: <5BC95913AC034628883050FADEDCED33@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <803330400905200739r4e0c4b2fs1aa3c6be70237e82@mail.gmail.com> <5BC95913AC034628883050FADEDCED33@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <803330400905200927v7aae914dq2c903d9b61a365c4@mail.gmail.com> On the amp, there is 4 visible tubes that were glowing and got hot while the records were playing. There is a metal tube or cylinder (?) with a cord on the bottom left that might have one inside, but I didn't try to open it up or mess with anything else yet. I wasn't sure how accessible some of the parts would be, and thought I would try here before I did anything else. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:20 AM, William Hill wrote: > Jon, > > The 854 amp will work fine. Are ALL the tubes glowing? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "JE" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:39 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems > > > Hi Everybody. >> >> I'm new to this group, I've been reading in the archives trying to catch >> up >> on a lot of good information here. >> I recently inherited a Wurlitzer 600 that has been part of our family for >> about 30 years. >> I have a lot of fond memories about this machine, and I want to try and >> fix >> it up as best I can, >> with the limited knowledge I have at this time. Baby steps, I guess. >> >> I fixed a mechanical problem that was preventing the turntable from >> spinning, I'm lucky it was an easy fix. >> Everything else seems to work on it, except the sound. Which was the >> original problem my Mom said it had. >> >> I can hear the music playing, but it's not amplified. I'm not sure if I'm >> just hearing the music from the needle on the record. >> It's very faint, but it's playing. I can hear it by the record, but not >> by >> the speaker. >> I'm not sure where to start looking from here. Is that an amp problem? >> I noticed the amp is from another Wurlitzer because it's a model 854. All >> I >> can tell you is that the tubes I can see are glowing. >> >> Any bit of troubleshooting or advice would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks for your time! >> >> Jon >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From coonjerkins at gmail.com Wed May 20 09:29:27 2009 From: coonjerkins at gmail.com (JE) Date: Wed May 20 09:31:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems In-Reply-To: <578858.29640.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <578858.29640.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <803330400905200929r6c760df8g52065e6978bcde62@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like a good test. I'll give it a try tonight. Thanks Ron! On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jon, > Quick test--pull the "AC" plug for the amp--play a record--still "hear > it"--if so, it's off the needle, if not, you had "some" amplification-- Ron > Rich > > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, JE wrote: > > > From: JE > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 7:39 AM > > > Hi Everybody. > > I'm new to this group, I've been reading in the archives trying to catch up > on a lot of good information here. > I recently inherited a Wurlitzer 600 that has been part of our family for > about 30 years. > I have a lot of fond memories about this machine, and I want to try and fix > it up as best I can, > with the limited knowledge I have at this time. Baby steps, I guess. > > I fixed a mechanical problem that was preventing the turntable from > spinning, I'm lucky it was an easy fix. > Everything else seems to work on it, except the sound. Which was the > original problem my Mom said it had. > > I can hear the music playing, but it's not amplified. I'm not sure if I'm > just hearing the music from the needle on the record. > It's very faint, but it's playing. I can hear it by the record, but not by > the speaker. > I'm not sure where to start looking from here. Is that an amp problem? > I noticed the amp is from another Wurlitzer because it's a model 854. All > I > can tell you is that the tubes I can see are glowing. > > Any bit of troubleshooting or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks for your time! > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Wed May 20 10:41:23 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Wed May 20 10:43:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems References: <803330400905200739r4e0c4b2fs1aa3c6be70237e82@mail.gmail.com><5BC95913AC034628883050FADEDCED33@yoursz6x6sefxo> <803330400905200927v7aae914dq2c903d9b61a365c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65F7E2F511BF43E59A44DCAB4D17097C@yoursz6x6sefxo> Regardless of whether you get it working or not, that amp will need new capacitors and the resistors tested. You could try the following: First, clean the 2 contacts on the relay inside that amp. If memory serves it's almost dead center inside the amp. (Make sure the amplifier has been unplugged for a good several hours before going in there.) Clean both contacts gently with a burnishing tool or you could even use alcohol on a thin rag pulled tight. Do not use sandpaper.. Also, try wiggling the speaker plug on the side of the amp. You should always hear some kind of buzz if the amp and the speaker are connected. You could also test the speaker wires, voice coil and field coil. The field coil should read about 5400 ohms (I think) on a meter. If that doesn't work you should come back to the group in search of an amp repair guy. There are a few good guys out there. Do not start probing around the amp yourself. These tube amps have use very high voltages. You could kill yourself without much effort. William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "JE" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems > On the amp, there is 4 visible tubes that were glowing and got hot while > the > records were playing. > There is a metal tube or cylinder (?) with a cord on the bottom left that > might have one inside, but I didn't try to open it up or mess with > anything > else yet. > I wasn't sure how accessible some of the parts would be, and thought I > would > try here before I did anything else. > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:20 AM, William Hill > wrote: > >> Jon, >> >> The 854 amp will work fine. Are ALL the tubes glowing? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JE" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:39 AM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems >> >> >> Hi Everybody. >>> >>> I'm new to this group, I've been reading in the archives trying to catch >>> up >>> on a lot of good information here. >>> I recently inherited a Wurlitzer 600 that has been part of our family >>> for >>> about 30 years. >>> I have a lot of fond memories about this machine, and I want to try and >>> fix >>> it up as best I can, >>> with the limited knowledge I have at this time. Baby steps, I guess. >>> >>> I fixed a mechanical problem that was preventing the turntable from >>> spinning, I'm lucky it was an easy fix. >>> Everything else seems to work on it, except the sound. Which was the >>> original problem my Mom said it had. >>> >>> I can hear the music playing, but it's not amplified. I'm not sure if >>> I'm >>> just hearing the music from the needle on the record. >>> It's very faint, but it's playing. I can hear it by the record, but not >>> by >>> the speaker. >>> I'm not sure where to start looking from here. Is that an amp problem? >>> I noticed the amp is from another Wurlitzer because it's a model 854. >>> All >>> I >>> can tell you is that the tubes I can see are glowing. >>> >>> Any bit of troubleshooting or advice would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks for your time! >>> >>> Jon >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From egraves65680 at roadrunner.com Wed May 20 11:45:20 2009 From: egraves65680 at roadrunner.com (edward graves) Date: Wed May 20 11:47:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 Message-ID: <55947D18-6F2C-483E-98BD-5D27312060FC@roadrunner.com> My wurlitzer 2800 has one dead channel -when I switch the speaker connection it is still dead on the same side --also , volume often drops way down when playing through the side that does work . sometimes if I tap the area in outside back near the volume control the volume returns . Any ideas before I accept that it needs a rebuild ? thanks BTW , I been reading this list for a while and thank all the wise folks who are sharing their smarts . Also , I'd be interested in maybe buying another 2800 . thanks , Ed from upstate NY. From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed May 20 12:05:41 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed May 20 12:07:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems In-Reply-To: <65F7E2F511BF43E59A44DCAB4D17097C@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <803330400905200739r4e0c4b2fs1aa3c6be70237e82@mail.gmail.com><5BC95913AC034628883050FADEDCED33@yoursz6x6sefxo><803330400905200927v7aae914dq2c903d9b61a365c4@mail.gmail.com> <65F7E2F511BF43E59A44DCAB4D17097C@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: This is good advice Bill. I get the impression that the owner does not have too much knowledge of vintage electronics. If the box has been in the family this long, it likely has not been rebuilt since it has not worked for some time. I would strongly recommend getting the capacitors replaced, which will likely solve the problem. Ask on this list who is recommended in your area. Once the amp is properly rebuilt, you should have many more years of performance out of it. Don't forget to have the volume control box (the red box with the volume knob) also sent out with the amp. Sounds like this amp is originally from a W500 juke. Remember to lubricate the mechanism too, as it's probably bone dry. Also, what kind of tonearm cartridge is being used? If it's the original heavy Wurlitzer one (that is designed for steel-needles) then it likely needs rebuilding too. Best to upgrade to a lightweight cartridge to save your records. Bill, I'm sure the field coil impedence is 3200 ohms. What is the purpose of the relay you refer to? Is that to power up the tubes quickly when first turned on ? Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of William Hill Sent: 2009, May, 20 1:41 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems Regardless of whether you get it working or not, that amp will need new capacitors and the resistors tested. You could try the following: First, clean the 2 contacts on the relay inside that amp. If memory serves it's almost dead center inside the amp. (Make sure the amplifier has been unplugged for a good several hours before going in there.) Clean both contacts gently with a burnishing tool or you could even use alcohol on a thin rag pulled tight. Do not use sandpaper.. Also, try wiggling the speaker plug on the side of the amp. You should always hear some kind of buzz if the amp and the speaker are connected. You could also test the speaker wires, voice coil and field coil. The field coil should read about 5400 ohms (I think) on a meter. If that doesn't work you should come back to the group in search of an amp repair guy. There are a few good guys out there. Do not start probing around the amp yourself. These tube amps have use very high voltages. You could kill yourself without much effort. William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "JE" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems > On the amp, there is 4 visible tubes that were glowing and got hot while > the > records were playing. > There is a metal tube or cylinder (?) with a cord on the bottom left that > might have one inside, but I didn't try to open it up or mess with > anything > else yet. > I wasn't sure how accessible some of the parts would be, and thought I > would > try here before I did anything else. > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:20 AM, William Hill > wrote: > >> Jon, >> >> The 854 amp will work fine. Are ALL the tubes glowing? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JE" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:39 AM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 Sound problems >> >> >> Hi Everybody. >>> >>> I'm new to this group, I've been reading in the archives trying to catch >>> up >>> on a lot of good information here. >>> I recently inherited a Wurlitzer 600 that has been part of our family >>> for >>> about 30 years. >>> I have a lot of fond memories about this machine, and I want to try and >>> fix >>> it up as best I can, >>> with the limited knowledge I have at this time. Baby steps, I guess. >>> >>> I fixed a mechanical problem that was preventing the turntable from >>> spinning, I'm lucky it was an easy fix. >>> Everything else seems to work on it, except the sound. Which was the >>> original problem my Mom said it had. >>> >>> I can hear the music playing, but it's not amplified. I'm not sure if >>> I'm >>> just hearing the music from the needle on the record. >>> It's very faint, but it's playing. I can hear it by the record, but not >>> by >>> the speaker. >>> I'm not sure where to start looking from here. Is that an amp problem? >>> I noticed the amp is from another Wurlitzer because it's a model 854. >>> All >>> I >>> can tell you is that the tubes I can see are glowing. >>> >>> Any bit of troubleshooting or advice would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks for your time! >>> >>> Jon >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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From art at n1rpn.mv.com Wed May 20 12:31:11 2009 From: art at n1rpn.mv.com (Art Joly) Date: Wed May 20 12:39:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] re: 600 amp Message-ID: Another way to tell if the tubes are "lit" is to touch them (careful they may get hot after a few min) right after they are plugged in to see if they get warm (bad tubes will be cold )-works on the metal tubes were you can't see the tubes insides. Ps were are you? Maybe some one near can help... Lynn From coonjerkins at gmail.com Wed May 20 12:46:26 2009 From: coonjerkins at gmail.com (JE) Date: Wed May 20 12:48:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <803330400905201246y34384686hcbe82e0c92b0111c@mail.gmail.com> I'm in the Minneapolis Area. Bill and Mike, you are correct, I don't have any experience working on vintage electronics. I know a few things here and there, but I will have no problems sending out the Amp to be rebuilt. I really was just curious about troubleshooting the problem to begin with speaker, amp etc. I have a hand written receipt from 1981 when my Dad had the 600 repaired. The amp was rebuilt then, it's probably where the 854 amp came from. Other than that, it is still in great shape, I think it probably needs a little bit of lubrication and elbow grease here and there. I'm not sure about the tonearm cartridge, but it is rather heavy and the needle look like steel. Thanks for the replies, this is exactly the type of information I was hoping to get here. Jon On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Art Joly wrote: > Another way to tell if the tubes are "lit" is to touch them (careful they > may get hot after a few min) right after they are plugged in to > > see if they get warm (bad tubes will be cold > )-works on the metal tubes were you can't see the tubes insides. > Ps were are you? Maybe some one near can help... > Lynn > From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Wed May 20 13:16:26 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Wed May 20 13:18:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp References: <803330400905201246y34384686hcbe82e0c92b0111c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jon, Get rid of that old cartridge and needle. Get yourself an Astatic 51-2 lightweight cartridge. It comes with a bracket, hook-up wire and socket. Reproduction jukebox parts people sell them. Your records will thank you and not turn into powder. William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "JE" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:46 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp > I'm in the Minneapolis Area. Bill and Mike, you are correct, I don't > have > any experience working on vintage electronics. > I know a few things here and there, but I will have no problems sending > out > the Amp to be rebuilt. > I really was just curious about troubleshooting the problem to begin with > speaker, amp etc. > > I have a hand written receipt from 1981 when my Dad had the 600 repaired. > The amp was rebuilt then, it's probably where the 854 amp came from. > Other > than that, it is still in great shape, > I think it probably needs a little bit of lubrication and elbow grease > here > and there. I'm not sure about the > tonearm cartridge, but it is rather heavy and the needle look like steel. > Thanks for the replies, this is exactly the type of information I was > hoping > to get here. > > Jon > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Art Joly wrote: > >> Another way to tell if the tubes are "lit" is to touch them (careful they >> may get hot after a few min) right after they are plugged in to >> >> see if they get warm (bad tubes will be cold >> )-works on the metal tubes were you can't see the tubes insides. >> Ps were are you? Maybe some one near can help... >> Lynn >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed May 20 14:40:44 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed May 20 14:42:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp Message-ID: <484765.95435.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 5/20/09, William Hill wrote: > Get rid of that old cartridge and needle. I would modify this recommendation to: Remove and *save* the old cartridge. From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Wed May 20 14:47:13 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Wed May 20 14:48:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp References: <484765.95435.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It will make a fine paper-weight. Jon, It's referred to as a cartridge conversion kit. Just thought I'd clarify that so you don't end up with just the cartridge without the bracket, wire, plug and other hardware. William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp > > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, William Hill wrote: > >> Get rid of that old cartridge and needle. > > I would modify this recommendation to: Remove and *save* > the old cartridge. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed May 20 15:10:50 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed May 20 15:12:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp Message-ID: <624350.7994.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 5/20/09, William Hill wrote: > It will make a fine paper-weight. But all kidding aside, it's important, when dealing with classic machines, to retain the original components and keep them with the jukebox, even if you make modifications to accommodate modern conditions. Original equipment is always valuable monetarily, as well as being instructive to future generations studying how these machines looked and operated. From Jjmscf at aol.com Wed May 20 15:33:19 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Wed May 20 15:34:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp Message-ID: The kit should also come with the new components that go in the volume box including a new volume control. Have the amp rebuilder install those components also. I saved the cartridge and wiring on my Wurlitzer 24 and even the old volume control and volume box coils and resistors and put them in a bag in the bottom of the juke. I didn't save the old amp caps & resistors.They went in the circular file. J.C. In a message dated 5/20/2009 5:49:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, william_hill@sbcglobal.net writes: It will make a fine paper-weight. Jon, It's referred to as a cartridge conversion kit. Just thought I'd clarify that so you don't end up with just the cartridge without the bracket, wire, plug and other hardware. William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp > > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, William Hill wrote: > >> Get rid of that old cartridge and needle. > > I would modify this recommendation to: Remove and *save* > the old cartridge. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell?s full line of laptops. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222399266x1201456865/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215073777%3B3703434 3%3Bf) From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu May 21 06:05:25 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu May 21 06:07:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp In-Reply-To: References: <803330400905201246y34384686hcbe82e0c92b0111c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jon, I fully agree with Bill's comments, as most people would in terms of updating the cartridge. Victory Glass sells the conversion kit for this. It's $40 http://www.victoryglass.com/victoryframe.asp and well worth it.(I personally found a big improve in the sound on original 78's when I went to the 3mil stylus... The cartridge comes with a 2mil, but you could probably live with it). You will also have to modify the tone control in order for this new cartridge to work. Again, most amp rebuilders can do this. In regards to your no sound issue, I would try this, since the amp was rebuilt at one point: trace the wire from the tone arm. Check to make sure that no connections are broken from the existing cartridge. Follow the wire down to the volume control box. Is the AC -type plug for the cartridge in all the way on the volume control? Then follow the output plug from the volume control to the amplifier. Ensure it is fully plugged in. Next trace the wires from the speaker, and ensure they are snuggly plugged into the side of the amp. Once this is done, try having a record playing, and jiggle the wires, in case there is an intermittant break. Sometimes the sound will come back on, if only momentarily, and that will help pinpoint your problem. Also feel all the tubes, if you can't see them lit. They should at least get warm. If this fails, then you might as well resign yourself to the fact you'll have to send your amp and volume control (and possibly speaker) off to a rebuilder. Figure on at least a couple hundred $. Might sound like a lot, but your juke is worth restoring and having working properly. It will always keep it's value and you'll enjoy it's ownership all the more. Please let us know how it works out. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of William Hill Sent: 2009, May, 20 4:16 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp Jon, Get rid of that old cartridge and needle. Get yourself an Astatic 51-2 lightweight cartridge. It comes with a bracket, hook-up wire and socket. Reproduction jukebox parts people sell them. Your records will thank you and not turn into powder. William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "JE" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:46 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp > I'm in the Minneapolis Area. Bill and Mike, you are correct, I don't > have > any experience working on vintage electronics. > I know a few things here and there, but I will have no problems sending > out > the Amp to be rebuilt. > I really was just curious about troubleshooting the problem to begin with > speaker, amp etc. > > I have a hand written receipt from 1981 when my Dad had the 600 repaired. > The amp was rebuilt then, it's probably where the 854 amp came from. > Other > than that, it is still in great shape, > I think it probably needs a little bit of lubrication and elbow grease > here > and there. I'm not sure about the > tonearm cartridge, but it is rather heavy and the needle look like steel. > Thanks for the replies, this is exactly the type of information I was > hoping > to get here. > > Jon > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Art Joly wrote: > >> Another way to tell if the tubes are "lit" is to touch them (careful they >> may get hot after a few min) right after they are plugged in to >> >> see if they get warm (bad tubes will be cold >> )-works on the metal tubes were you can't see the tubes insides. >> Ps were are you? Maybe some one near can help... >> Lynn >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu May 21 09:53:22 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu May 21 09:57:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 Message-ID: <20090521.125322.6811.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Hello Ed: >From the symptom you are describing, you could possibly have just a bad or what is called a microphonic vacuum tube. Here are a few quick simple tests you can try that will help to better define your amplifier problem. With a record playing, take a pencil,with the eraser side and begin to gently tap each of the of the vacuum tubes with it. The tubes located on the printed circuit board in the middle of the amp will be the most likely to have problems. If when tapping the tube, you hear noises in the speaker (it can be a "clunking" sound, static, or it can make the audio signal come and go) this is an indication of a defective tube that needs to be replaced. When you are tapping the chassis by the volume control, you're jarring the tube sufficiently to make it act up. The tubes on the PC board have their number types stamped on the chassis. The 3 tube types used on the PC board are 12AX7 (or 7025) 12AU7, and 7199. 3 operate the A channel, 3 operate the B. On the chassis itself are 4 # 6973 audio power tubes. If you tap one of these tubes and hear crackles, or see arcs and sparks inside the tube, the pair of 6973's should be replaced. If you need them,vacuum tubes are available on-line by a number of equipment suppliers to the jukebox hobby, such as Victory Glass and Vern Tisdale. You'll find that the 7199 and 6973 tube types due to their scarcity, are somewhat expensive. If your W2800 amplifier has never been rebuilt or had major service, you should consider having it done. Capacitors, an electronic component of your amp, deteriorate over time, and in addition to sounding poor, will cause individual circuits to fail, sending your expensive tubes to an early death. An amp rebuild typically involves replacing all the capacitors, plus repair/replacement of whatever else may be wrong. The average "shelf" life of capacitors is 15-20 years. Your W2800 is a 1964 model juke, 45 years old. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZUDKfrU2WcUMAQhKObdVmlTzpAyZTGkjWrSGU3dk0lbHe5UF5qZC/ From coonjerkins at gmail.com Thu May 21 10:27:44 2009 From: coonjerkins at gmail.com (JE) Date: Thu May 21 10:29:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp In-Reply-To: References: <803330400905201246y34384686hcbe82e0c92b0111c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <803330400905211027q68df7d12gb9f634539aa3b47@mail.gmail.com> OK that sounds like a good plan too. I'll take a closer look at the tonearm, and plan for getting a conversion kit. I tried plugging and unplugging most of the connections, and a little bit of wire jiggling last night. No difference. The sound I was hearing is definitely coming from just the needle and record. When I unplugged the amp and played a record it was the same as when it was plugged in. It sounds like it would be a good idea to wait until I have the conversion kit to think about having the amp rebuilt. I'm in no hurry and I'd rather take my time and learn what I can along the way. I noticed on my 600, that I have a Control unit box, and underneath that, there is another box, that if my memory serves me, has the tonearm plugged into it. It looks like it might have been rigged up that way. I don't have a good picture of it right now, but you can see it on the left in this picture: http://img194.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0009r.jpg Would both of these need to go with the amp? Is the control unit just for volume? Thanks for all the help. I really appreciate it! Jon On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Hi Jon, > > I fully agree with Bill's comments, as most people would in terms of > updating the cartridge. Victory Glass sells the conversion kit for this. > It's $40 http://www.victoryglass.com/victoryframe.asp and well worth > it.(I personally found a big improve in the sound on original 78's when > I went to the 3mil stylus... The cartridge comes with a 2mil, but you > could probably live with it). > You will also have to modify the tone control in order for this new > cartridge to work. Again, most amp rebuilders can do this. > > In regards to your no sound issue, I would try this, since the amp was > rebuilt at one point: trace the wire from the tone arm. Check to make > sure that no connections are broken from the existing cartridge. Follow > the wire down to the volume control box. Is the AC -type plug for the > cartridge in all the way on the volume control? Then follow the output > plug from the volume control to the amplifier. Ensure it is fully > plugged in. Next trace the wires from the speaker, and ensure they are > snuggly plugged into the side of the amp. Once this is done, try having > a record playing, and jiggle the wires, in case there is an intermittant > break. Sometimes the sound will come back on, if only momentarily, and > that will help pinpoint your problem. Also feel all the tubes, if you > can't see them lit. They should at least get warm. > > If this fails, then you might as well resign yourself to the fact you'll > have to send your amp and volume control (and possibly speaker) off to a > rebuilder. Figure on at least a couple hundred $. Might sound like a > lot, but your juke is worth restoring and having working properly. It > will always keep it's value and you'll enjoy it's ownership all the > more. > > Please let us know how it works out. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of William > Hill > Sent: 2009, May, 20 4:16 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp > > Jon, > > Get rid of that old cartridge and needle. Get yourself an Astatic 51-2 > lightweight cartridge. It comes with a bracket, hook-up wire and socket. > > Reproduction jukebox parts people sell them. Your records will thank > you and not turn into powder. > > William Hill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JE" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:46 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp > > > > I'm in the Minneapolis Area. Bill and Mike, you are correct, I don't > > > have > > any experience working on vintage electronics. > > I know a few things here and there, but I will have no problems > sending > > out > > the Amp to be rebuilt. > > I really was just curious about troubleshooting the problem to begin > with > > speaker, amp etc. > > > > I have a hand written receipt from 1981 when my Dad had the 600 > repaired. > > The amp was rebuilt then, it's probably where the 854 amp came from. > > Other > > than that, it is still in great shape, > > I think it probably needs a little bit of lubrication and elbow grease > > > here > > and there. I'm not sure about the > > tonearm cartridge, but it is rather heavy and the needle look like > steel. > > Thanks for the replies, this is exactly the type of information I was > > hoping > > to get here. > > > > Jon > > > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Art Joly wrote: > > > >> Another way to tell if the tubes are "lit" is to touch them (careful > they > >> may get hot after a few min) right after they are plugged in to > >> > >> see if they get warm (bad tubes will be > cold > >> )-works on the metal tubes were you can't see the tubes insides. > >> Ps were are you? Maybe some one near can help... > >> Lynn > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not > waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or > otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne > renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements > qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) > d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser > imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Thu May 21 11:15:43 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Thu May 21 11:17:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp References: <803330400905201246y34384686hcbe82e0c92b0111c@mail.gmail.com> <803330400905211027q68df7d12gb9f634539aa3b47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jon, That is a pre-amplifier. You shouldn't be using that with the standard Wurlitzer 600 tonearm/cartridge configuration. Please post pics of the tomearm and cartridge. William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "JE" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp OK that sounds like a good plan too. I'll take a closer look at the tonearm, and plan for getting a conversion kit. I tried plugging and unplugging most of the connections, and a little bit of wire jiggling last night. No difference. The sound I was hearing is definitely coming from just the needle and record. When I unplugged the amp and played a record it was the same as when it was plugged in. It sounds like it would be a good idea to wait until I have the conversion kit to think about having the amp rebuilt. I'm in no hurry and I'd rather take my time and learn what I can along the way. I noticed on my 600, that I have a Control unit box, and underneath that, there is another box, that if my memory serves me, has the tonearm plugged into it. It looks like it might have been rigged up that way. I don't have a good picture of it right now, but you can see it on the left in this picture: http://img194.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0009r.jpg Would both of these need to go with the amp? Is the control unit just for volume? Thanks for all the help. I really appreciate it! Jon On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Hi Jon, > > I fully agree with Bill's comments, as most people would in terms of > updating the cartridge. Victory Glass sells the conversion kit for this. > It's $40 http://www.victoryglass.com/victoryframe.asp and well worth > it.(I personally found a big improve in the sound on original 78's when > I went to the 3mil stylus... The cartridge comes with a 2mil, but you > could probably live with it). > You will also have to modify the tone control in order for this new > cartridge to work. Again, most amp rebuilders can do this. > > In regards to your no sound issue, I would try this, since the amp was > rebuilt at one point: trace the wire from the tone arm. Check to make > sure that no connections are broken from the existing cartridge. Follow > the wire down to the volume control box. Is the AC -type plug for the > cartridge in all the way on the volume control? Then follow the output > plug from the volume control to the amplifier. Ensure it is fully > plugged in. Next trace the wires from the speaker, and ensure they are > snuggly plugged into the side of the amp. Once this is done, try having > a record playing, and jiggle the wires, in case there is an intermittant > break. Sometimes the sound will come back on, if only momentarily, and > that will help pinpoint your problem. Also feel all the tubes, if you > can't see them lit. They should at least get warm. > > If this fails, then you might as well resign yourself to the fact you'll > have to send your amp and volume control (and possibly speaker) off to a > rebuilder. Figure on at least a couple hundred $. Might sound like a > lot, but your juke is worth restoring and having working properly. It > will always keep it's value and you'll enjoy it's ownership all the > more. > > Please let us know how it works out. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of William > Hill > Sent: 2009, May, 20 4:16 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp > > Jon, > > Get rid of that old cartridge and needle. Get yourself an Astatic 51-2 > lightweight cartridge. It comes with a bracket, hook-up wire and socket. > > Reproduction jukebox parts people sell them. Your records will thank > you and not turn into powder. > > William Hill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JE" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:46 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp > > > > I'm in the Minneapolis Area. Bill and Mike, you are correct, I don't > > > have > > any experience working on vintage electronics. > > I know a few things here and there, but I will have no problems > sending > > out > > the Amp to be rebuilt. > > I really was just curious about troubleshooting the problem to begin > with > > speaker, amp etc. > > > > I have a hand written receipt from 1981 when my Dad had the 600 > repaired. > > The amp was rebuilt then, it's probably where the 854 amp came from. > > Other > > than that, it is still in great shape, > > I think it probably needs a little bit of lubrication and elbow grease > > > here > > and there. I'm not sure about the > > tonearm cartridge, but it is rather heavy and the needle look like > steel. > > Thanks for the replies, this is exactly the type of information I was > > hoping > > to get here. > > > > Jon > > > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Art Joly wrote: > > > >> Another way to tell if the tubes are "lit" is to touch them (careful > they > >> may get hot after a few min) right after they are plugged in to > >> > >> see if they get warm (bad tubes will be > cold > >> )-works on the metal tubes were you can't see the tubes insides. > >> Ps were are you? Maybe some one near can help... > >> Lynn > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not > waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail > or > otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne > renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements > qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) > d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser > imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu May 21 11:08:18 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu May 21 11:27:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp In-Reply-To: <803330400905211027q68df7d12gb9f634539aa3b47@mail.gmail.com> References: <803330400905201246y34384686hcbe82e0c92b0111c@mail.gmail.com> <803330400905211027q68df7d12gb9f634539aa3b47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jon, Someone has installed an aftermarket pre-amp on this juke. I notice the tonearm is plugged into the pre-amp using an RCA jack, and the pre-amp is then plugged into the volume control unit. Usually the tone arm is plugged straight into the volume control with no need for a pre-amp. (I have a W500, and someone had installed one of these pre-amps. The sound was loud, but was very distorted. I have since removed it). So, there must have been some kind of modifications made to the system at some point.(probably by the guy who rebuilt it for your father) Are you sure that it has the original cartridge set up (it will be very heavy, and have a thumb set screw for steel type needles)? When you get the amp re-built they can probably by pass the pre-amp altogether. The black cylinder on the pre-amp is probably a 6J5 tube. Feel it to see if it gets warm, like all the other tubes. It is possible that it's burnt out. Yes, best to go with the conversion kit. Once installed you'll have to re-balance the tone arm, as it will be way too light. Usually the weights in back of the arm are cut down so as to get some pressure back on the new cartridge. You can ask more questions here as you cross that bridge. Good luck. Let us know how it goes. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of JE Sent: 2009, May, 21 1:28 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp OK that sounds like a good plan too. I'll take a closer look at the tonearm, and plan for getting a conversion kit. I tried plugging and unplugging most of the connections, and a little bit of wire jiggling last night. No difference. The sound I was hearing is definitely coming from just the needle and record. When I unplugged the amp and played a record it was the same as when it was plugged in. It sounds like it would be a good idea to wait until I have the conversion kit to think about having the amp rebuilt. I'm in no hurry and I'd rather take my time and learn what I can along the way. I noticed on my 600, that I have a Control unit box, and underneath that, there is another box, that if my memory serves me, has the tonearm plugged into it. It looks like it might have been rigged up that way. I don't have a good picture of it right now, but you can see it on the left in this picture: http://img194.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0009r.jpg Would both of these need to go with the amp? Is the control unit just for volume? Thanks for all the help. I really appreciate it! Jon On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Hi Jon, > > I fully agree with Bill's comments, as most people would in terms of > updating the cartridge. Victory Glass sells the conversion kit for this. > It's $40 http://www.victoryglass.com/victoryframe.asp and well worth > it.(I personally found a big improve in the sound on original 78's > when I went to the 3mil stylus... The cartridge comes with a 2mil, but > you could probably live with it). > You will also have to modify the tone control in order for this new > cartridge to work. Again, most amp rebuilders can do this. > > In regards to your no sound issue, I would try this, since the amp was > rebuilt at one point: trace the wire from the tone arm. Check to make > sure that no connections are broken from the existing cartridge. > Follow the wire down to the volume control box. Is the AC -type plug > for the cartridge in all the way on the volume control? Then follow > the output plug from the volume control to the amplifier. Ensure it is > fully plugged in. Next trace the wires from the speaker, and ensure > they are snuggly plugged into the side of the amp. Once this is done, > try having a record playing, and jiggle the wires, in case there is an > intermittant break. Sometimes the sound will come back on, if only > momentarily, and that will help pinpoint your problem. Also feel all > the tubes, if you can't see them lit. They should at least get warm. > > If this fails, then you might as well resign yourself to the fact > you'll have to send your amp and volume control (and possibly speaker) > off to a rebuilder. Figure on at least a couple hundred $. Might sound > like a lot, but your juke is worth restoring and having working > properly. It will always keep it's value and you'll enjoy it's > ownership all the more. > > Please let us know how it works out. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of William > Hill > Sent: 2009, May, 20 4:16 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp > > Jon, > > Get rid of that old cartridge and needle. Get yourself an Astatic 51-2 > lightweight cartridge. It comes with a bracket, hook-up wire and socket. > > Reproduction jukebox parts people sell them. Your records will thank > you and not turn into powder. > > William Hill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JE" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:46 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp > > > > I'm in the Minneapolis Area. Bill and Mike, you are correct, I don't > > > have > > any experience working on vintage electronics. > > I know a few things here and there, but I will have no problems > sending > > out > > the Amp to be rebuilt. > > I really was just curious about troubleshooting the problem to begin > with > > speaker, amp etc. > > > > I have a hand written receipt from 1981 when my Dad had the 600 > repaired. > > The amp was rebuilt then, it's probably where the 854 amp came from. > > Other > > than that, it is still in great shape, I think it probably needs a > > little bit of lubrication and elbow grease > > > here > > and there. I'm not sure about the > > tonearm cartridge, but it is rather heavy and the needle look like > steel. > > Thanks for the replies, this is exactly the type of information I > > was hoping to get here. > > > > Jon > > > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Art Joly wrote: > > > >> Another way to tell if the tubes are "lit" is to touch them > >> (careful > they > >> may get hot after a few min) right after they are plugged in to > >> > >> see if they get warm (bad tubes will be > cold > >> )-works on the metal tubes were you can't see the tubes insides. > >> Ps were are you? Maybe some one near can help... > >> Lynn > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > ______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does > not waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return > e-mail or > otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. 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From coonjerkins at gmail.com Thu May 21 13:25:07 2009 From: coonjerkins at gmail.com (JE) Date: Thu May 21 13:33:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp In-Reply-To: References: <803330400905201246y34384686hcbe82e0c92b0111c@mail.gmail.com> <803330400905211027q68df7d12gb9f634539aa3b47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <803330400905211325m4ae1ef0dq53a7d097fc5fda53@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mike, I can't say for sure that it has the original cartridge. I thought it was kind of heavy, but I guess I would have nothing to really compare it to, so I'm not sure. I'll make sure to get a clear picture of it, when I get home from work. thanks. Jon On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Hi Jon, > > Someone has installed an aftermarket pre-amp on this juke. I notice the > tonearm is plugged into the pre-amp using an RCA jack, and the pre-amp is > then plugged into the volume control unit. Usually the tone arm is plugged > straight into the volume control with no need for a pre-amp. (I have a W500, > and someone had installed one of these pre-amps. The sound was loud, but was > very distorted. I have since removed it). > > So, there must have been some kind of modifications made to the system at > some point.(probably by the guy who rebuilt it for your father) Are you sure > that it has the original cartridge set up (it will be very heavy, and have a > thumb set screw for steel type needles)? When you get the amp re-built they > can probably by pass the pre-amp altogether. > > The black cylinder on the pre-amp is probably a 6J5 tube. Feel it to see if > it gets warm, like all the other tubes. It is possible that it's burnt out. > > Yes, best to go with the conversion kit. Once installed you'll have to > re-balance the tone arm, as it will be way too light. Usually the weights in > back of the arm are cut down so as to get some pressure back on the new > cartridge. You can ask more questions here as you cross that bridge. Good > luck. > > Let us know how it goes. > > Mike > From dppe at inebraska.com Fri May 22 17:58:04 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Fri May 22 17:59:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Does anybody have any cabinet parts or a parts machine for a Rockola 1455 or a Wurlitzer 2304? Message-ID: Looking for some cabinet parts off of a Rockola 1455 or a Wurlitzer 2304. I am needing most help on the Rockola 1455. Please let me know if you can help me out with this. Thanks, Dana From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 23 09:41:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 23 09:43:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi model "D" -"DD" amp ? Message-ID: <120602.24578.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Does anyone have the above amp that he can look at ? Thre is a "Speaker chart" on it that has been washed out on the one I have. If anyone could tell me what it reads, I would appreciate it very much. Please either respond here, or to ronnnrich@yahoo.com?? Thanks ! Ron Rich From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sat May 23 11:01:40 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sat May 23 11:03:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi model "D" -"DD" amp ? In-Reply-To: Ron Rich 's message of Sat, 23 May 2009 09:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <23053-4A183A04-2246@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Ron, this is a speaker connection chart. It reads" Connections are for equal power into each speaker, numbers indicate terminals on terminal strip" Cabinet speaker should be hooked up tp terminals 3 and 5. ALot of other combinations listed for 8 ohm, 500 ohm speakers, etc. Do you need all the combinations? Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From bobe at halted.com Sat May 23 11:20:48 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Sat May 23 11:59:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi model "D" -"DD" amp ? In-Reply-To: <120602.24578.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <120602.24578.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A183E80.2050204@halted.com> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Does anyone have the above amp that he can look at ? Thre is a "Speaker chart" on it that has been washed out on the one I have. If anyone could tell me what it reads, I would appreciate it very much. > I hope you have fixed-width font on your news/mail reader, otherwise all this typing will be difficult to read! SPEAKER CONNECTION CHART Connections are for equal power into each speaker. Numbers indicate terminals on speaker terminal strip. Cabinet | Remote Speakers | Jumper | Jumper Speaker | Connected in Parallel | Number 1 | Number 2 _____________________________________________________________________________ Leads To | Number & | Leads to | Connect | Connect Terminals | Impedance | Terminals | Terminals | Terminals _____________________________________________________________________________ 3 5 | NONE | | | 2 4 | 1 - 8 Ohm | 3 4 | 5 6 | 4 5 | 2 - 8 Ohm | 3 4 | | 2 4 | 1 - 500 Ohm | 1 7 | 5 6 | 4 5 | 2 - 500 Ohm | 1 7 | | 4 5 | 3 - 500 Ohm | 1 3 | 4 7 | 3 4 | 4 - 500 Ohm | 1 6 | 2 3 | 4 7 3 4 | 5 - 500 Ohm | 1 3 | 5 7 | NONE | 1 - 8 Ohm | 4 6 | 2 3 | NONE | 2 - 8 * Ohm | 3 5 | | NONE | 2 - 500 Ohm | 1 4 | 2 3 | 6 7 NONE | 3 - 500 Ohm | 1 7 | | NONE | 4 - 500 Ohm | 1 3 | 4 7 | NONE | 5 - 500 Ohm | 1 6 | 2 3 | 4 7 NONE | 6 - 500 Ohm | 1 3 | 5 7 | ______________________________________________________________________________ * Connect Speakers in Series _________________________________________ From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Sat May 23 12:16:20 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Sat May 23 12:18:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Does anybody have any cabinet parts or a partsmachine for a Rockola 1455 or a Wurlitzer 2304? References: Message-ID: <462D472234234FD59AE485C5E198ED19@PAW> > Looking for some cabinet parts off of a Rockola 1455 or a Wurlitzer > 2304. I am needing most help on the Rockola 1455. > Please let me know if you can help me out with this. Thanks, Dana > > Dana Give me a call I should have some 1455 and 2304 parts Call me. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 23 12:40:23 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 23 12:42:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi model "D" -"DD" amp ? Message-ID: <144617.58545.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, I would like to replicate it for this amp, if possible. Thanks ! Ron --- On Sat, 5/23/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi model "D" -"DD" amp ? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 11:01 AM Ron, this is a speaker connection chart. It reads" Connections are for equal power into each speaker, numbers indicate terminals on terminal strip"? Cabinet speaker should be hooked up tp terminals 3 and 5. ALot of other combinations listed for 8 ohm, 500 ohm speakers, etc. Do you need all the combinations? Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 23 13:02:04 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 23 13:03:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi model "D" -"DD" amp ? Message-ID: <585448.1007.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Thanks--Bob E's copy came thru just fine--? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi model "D" -"DD" amp ? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 12:40 PM Hi Jim, I would like to replicate it for this amp, if possible. Thanks ! Ron --- On Sat, 5/23/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi model "D" -"DD" amp ? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 11:01 AM Ron, this is a speaker connection chart. It reads" Connections are for equal power into each speaker, numbers indicate terminals on terminal strip"? Cabinet speaker should be hooked up tp terminals 3 and 5. ALot of other combinations listed for 8 ohm, 500 ohm speakers, etc. Do you need all the combinations? Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxmuseum at skynet.be Sat May 23 08:42:56 2009 From: jukeboxmuseum at skynet.be (jukeboxmuseum) Date: Sun May 24 10:33:17 2009 Subject: SV: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer stepper.... Message-ID: <7A8D8D13C5804A7785C4250F9A668013@PCvangeert> hi sir did you have a stepper 253. for sale please i like to buy one and maybe a wallbox to thank ypu Geert Jukebox museum Belgium From dppe at inebraska.com Sun May 24 10:36:42 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sun May 24 10:38:25 2009 Subject: SV: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer stepper.... In-Reply-To: <7A8D8D13C5804A7785C4250F9A668013@PCvangeert> References: <7A8D8D13C5804A7785C4250F9A668013@PCvangeert> Message-ID: I don't have any extra parts. Dana On May 23, 2009, at 10:42 AM, jukeboxmuseum wrote: > hi sir > did you have a stepper 253. for sale please > i like to buy one and maybe a wallbox to > thank ypu > Geert > Jukebox museum > Belgium > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sun May 24 11:14:19 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sun May 24 11:16:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi model "D" -"DD" amp ? In-Reply-To: Ron Rich 's message of Sat, 23 May 2009 12:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <15934-4A198E7B-3195@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> I see Bob gave you the whole list . Thought you might be just trying to hook up the cabinet speaker. I think there is a copy of that chart in the manual too, maybe just run a zerox copy. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From pat2355 at aol.com Sun May 24 11:21:05 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sun May 24 11:30:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1446 In-Reply-To: <7A8D8D13C5804A7785C4250F9A668013@PCvangeert> References: <7A8D8D13C5804A7785C4250F9A668013@PCvangeert> Message-ID: <8CBAAB389345B69-16F0-3914@WEBMAIL-MY39.sysops.aol.com> ?I need to buy a manual, dome glass, and rebuild this new toy. Any reasons to recommend Jeff's manuals over Dave's or even buy the $55.00 original on ebay. Has anyone bought a Victory Glass dome for this machine? Any tips or pics you'd like to share would be appreciated. I'll be changing the speaker grill to plexiglas and wild fabric (the original has experiences a size 12 boot) Unless someone has a original they'd like to sell me. Thanks All Postal Pat From joe400f at shaw.ca Sun May 24 12:01:49 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sun May 24 12:03:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1446 References: <7A8D8D13C5804A7785C4250F9A668013@PCvangeert> <8CBAAB389345B69-16F0-3914@WEBMAIL-MY39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01c9dca2$17fda000$3d9c4e18@compaq> If you are going to buy parts from Victory Glass, then buy the manual from them as well. Victory Glass is the distributor for the manuals. Don't take a chance at buying a manual from Ebay. Just my opinion. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1446 > > > > > > > ?I need to buy a manual, dome glass, and rebuild this new toy. Any reasons > to recommend Jeff's manuals over Dave's or even buy the $55.00 original on > ebay. Has anyone bought a Victory Glass dome for this machine? Any tips or > pics you'd like to share would be appreciated. I'll be changing the > speaker grill to plexiglas and wild fabric (the original has experiences a > size 12 boot) Unless someone has a original they'd like to sell me. Thanks > All Postal Pat > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun May 24 12:50:09 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun May 24 12:53:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1446 Message-ID: <20090524.155009.8328.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Hello Pat: I operate a classic jukebox repair/restoration business as a part-time venture and I've done quite a bit of business over several years with Victory Glass. They're a reputable company that stands behind what they sell. For the service manuals, a publisher named AMR secured the rights in the 90's to re-publish most or all of the jukebox service manuals out there. AMR has several "master" stocking distributors in the US that keep inventories on hand for resale of their books. The AMR is a high-quality spiral-bound book that will last and includes all the service info. . I've run across several discount booksellers on E Bay sellers provide flimsy packaged photocopies of original manuals that in some cases are not complete. RockOla manuals of this era usually include an insert foldout "roadmap"-size page that is the schematic of the entire machine on one page. Make sure you are not missing this. The 1446 manual is rather thin (about 35 pg) by typ. jukebox standards and should not be an expensive book. The AMR manual you need is # R-312 and should cost about $35 from VG, Always Jukin', or any other AMR distributor. I've purchased new replicated dome glasses (never an RO 1446, though) from AMR and have not been disappointed. Be sure to follow VG's instructions for packing/shipping a dome glass--they are easily prone to shipping damage. To the best of my knowledge, nobody is replicating the fluted perforated steel grills as originally used on the 1438-1446 jukes. You'll probably have to find original parts or fabricate something new. I'm looking for this part myself,with no luck finding one. If you find a source,let me know. If you were asking about replacement pilasters (not quite sure,based upon your description) there is a fellow from Canada, advertising on E Bay once every few months, that apparently had a production of replica pilasters made by a plastics firm. (sorry, don't have his info at hand) These pilasters fit RO 1438-1446 juke doors quite well. These replica pilasters are made of smooth opaque plastic where the originals were of a clear faceted construction. He usually advertises on E Bay with Rock Ola jukes under the collectibles file. Hope this helps, JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to find deals on color printers and inks. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR5fJTDVKYZyhyRgri3KGUyndBUiwGUVDnMAY5G5vRUnXR4mxf3V2/ From pat2355 at aol.com Sun May 24 15:30:07 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sun May 24 15:39:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1446 In-Reply-To: <20090524.155009.8328.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090524.155009.8328.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CBAAD65371E989-2F0-1FB0@mblk-d51.sysops.aol.com> The last owner had ??? pilasters and will get paid in full once he finds them. Going by the basement I was in, I'm allowing him 6 weeks before I start calling and offering to look. I kinda hate the original grill and am thinking of a gold metallic fabric behind plexiglas tubes. I'm waiting to see the box with the pilasters before I decide on fabric. I'd like to trade you pics, off list, if you're willing > Pat -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sun, 24 May 2009 12:50 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1446 Hello Pat: I operate a classic jukebox repair/restoration business as a part-time venture and I've done quite a bit of business over several years with Victory Glass. They're a reputable company that stands behind what they sell. For the service manuals, a publisher named AMR secured the rights in the 90's to re-publish most or all of the jukebox service manuals out there. AMR has several "master" stocking distributors in the US that keep inventories on hand for resale of their books. The AMR is a high-quality spiral-bound book that will last and includes all the service info. . I've run across several discount booksellers on E Bay sellers provide flimsy packaged photocopies of original manuals that in some cases are not complete. RockOla manuals of this era usually include an insert foldout "roadmap"-size page that is the schematic of the entire machine on one page. Make sure you are not missing this. The 1446 manual is rather thin (about 35 pg) by typ. jukebox standards and should not be an expensive book. The AMR manual you need is # R-312 and should cost about $35 from VG, Always Jukin', or any other AMR distributor. I've purchased new replicated dome glasses (never an RO 1446, though) from AMR and have not been disappointed. Be sure to follow VG's instructions for packing/shipping a dome glass--they are easily prone to shipping damage. To the best of my knowledge, nobody is replicating the fluted perforated steel grills as originally used on the 1438-1446 jukes. You'll probably have to find original parts or fabricate something new. I'm looking for this part myself,with no luck finding one. If you find a source,let me know. If you were asking about replacement pilasters (not quite sure,based upon your description) there is a fellow from Canada, advertising on E Bay once every few months, that apparently had a production of replica pilasters made by a plastics firm. (sorry, don't have his info at hand) These pilasters fit RO 1438-1446 juke doors quite well. These replica pilasters are made of smooth opaque plastic where the originals were of a clear faceted construction. He usually advertises on E Bay with Rock Ola jukes under the collectibles file. Hope this helps, JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to find deals on color printers and inks. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR5fJTDVKYZyhyRgri3KGUyndBUiwGUVDnMAY5G5vRUnXR4mxf3V2/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Mon May 25 04:59:30 2009 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (mike) Date: Mon May 25 05:07:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1446 References: <20090524.155009.8328.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> <8CBAAD65371E989-2F0-1FB0@mblk-d51.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I also did a 1446 and have some pics available both before and after. I didn't like the wavy grille too much either, remininded me of the green corrugated fiberglass panels you use to roof a green house. I had mine chromed and it came out pretty nice. I also have some 1" clear solid acrylic tubes I need to sell. Bought to use on a W600 I bought and never used them. Will sell em cheap, just like I bought em. http://www.miketyler.net/juke/1446a.jpg Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1446 > > The last owner had ??? pilasters and will get paid in full once he finds > them. Going by the basement I was in, I'm allowing him 6 weeks before I > start calling and offering to look. I kinda hate the original grill and am > thinking of a gold metallic fabric behind plexiglas tubes. I'm waiting to > see the box with the pilasters before I decide on fabric. I'd like to > trade you pics, off list, if you're willing > Pat > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Alexander > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Sun, 24 May 2009 12:50 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1446 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Pat: > I operate a classic jukebox repair/restoration business as a part-time > venture > and I've done quite a bit of business over several years with Victory > Glass. > They're a reputable company that stands behind what they sell. > For the service manuals, a publisher named AMR secured the rights in the > 90's to > re-publish most or all of the jukebox service manuals out there. AMR has > several "master" stocking distributors in the US that keep inventories on > hand > for resale of their books. The AMR is a high-quality spiral-bound > book that > will last and includes all the service info. . I've run across several > discount booksellers on E Bay sellers provide flimsy packaged photocopies > of > original manuals that in some cases are not complete. > RockOla manuals of this era usually include an insert foldout > "roadmap"-size > page that is the schematic of the entire machine on one page. Make sure > you are > not missing this. The 1446 manual is rather thin (about 35 pg) by typ. > jukebox > standards and should not be an expensive book. The AMR manual you need > is # > R-312 and should cost about $35 from VG, Always Jukin', or any other > AMR > distributor. > I've purchased new replicated dome glasses (never an RO 1446, though) from > AMR > and have not been disappointed. Be sure to follow VG's instructions for > packing/shipping a dome glass--they are easily prone to shipping damage. > To the best of my knowledge, nobody is replicating the fluted perforated > steel > grills as originally used on the 1438-1446 jukes. You'll probably have to > find > original parts or fabricate something new. I'm looking for this part > myself,with no luck finding one. If you find a source,let me know. > If you were asking about replacement pilasters (not quite sure,based upon > your > description) there is a fellow from Canada, advertising on E Bay once > every few > months, that apparently had a production of replica pilasters made by a > plastics > firm. (sorry, don't have his info at hand) These pilasters fit RO > 1438-1446 > juke doors quite well. These replica pilasters are made of smooth > opaque > plastic where the originals were of a clear faceted construction. He > usually > advertises on E Bay with Rock Ola jukes under the collectibles file. > Hope this helps, > JIm Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to find deals on color printers and inks. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR5fJTDVKYZyhyRgri3KGUyndBUiwGUVDnMAY5G5vRUnXR4mxf3V2/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From digital.john at btopenworld.com Mon May 25 06:20:18 2009 From: digital.john at btopenworld.com (digital.john@btopenworld.com) Date: Mon May 25 06:28:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 451 Message-ID: <773195.65457.qm@web86602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> My Rock-Ola 451 has developed a problem everything worked as it should but now you can't get credit because the accumulator 1/4 amp slow blow fuse has blown and whenever you replace it it blows immediately. Any idea what might cause this? Thanks. John From digital.john at btopenworld.com Mon May 25 06:27:10 2009 From: digital.john at btopenworld.com (digital.john@btopenworld.com) Date: Mon May 25 06:28:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3800 Message-ID: <151553.39188.qm@web86605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Having tried a few of my collection for the first time in a while i have found a few problems. My Wurlitzer 3800 selects scans and plays as it should but if you push a selector pin up manually the mechanism doesn't start. If you selected say K1 it would play but if you then selected a lower selection say A1, C5 etc instead of the mechanism doing another circuit because these pins are raised it just stops in the home position and then after it's stopped I need to make another selection to restart? the mechanism. Any help appreciated. John? From digital.john at btopenworld.com Mon May 25 06:34:22 2009 From: digital.john at btopenworld.com (digital.john@btopenworld.com) Date: Mon May 25 06:36:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Serenade Message-ID: <628889.72752.qm@web86603.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Having tried a few of my collection for the first time in a while i have found a few problems. My NSM Serenade works as it should except for one thing. When you select A or B sides the tone arm should move left or right depending on if it's playing A or B. I can see a pin that flicks the tone arm from A to B but am not sure how it's activated, I also have an NSM City 2 which works o.k. The mechanism on this that selects A or B looks?the same as the serenade. I just need to know what?activates the pin to move the tone arm so I can check?for problems. Any help appreciated. Thanks. John? From dppe at inebraska.com Mon May 25 06:45:52 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Mon May 25 06:47:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Does anybody have any Wurlitzer 2304 title strip holders? Message-ID: Looking for some title holders for my Wurlitzer 2304. This is a 104 selection, 52 record machine. Thanks! Dana From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Mon May 25 07:37:53 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Mon May 25 07:39:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Does anybody have any Wurlitzer 2304 title stripholders? References: Message-ID: <1C1FC7CEAA4849AFA0281D99F7AC782B@PAW> Dana: I should have some tittle holder for your 2304. Give me a call Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND Looking for some title holders for my Wurlitzer 2304. This is a 104 selection, 52 record machine. Thanks! Dana From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon May 25 08:32:57 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon May 25 08:34:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 451 Message-ID: <446952.29442.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ? John, Sure--first of all, are you sure that it should be a 1/4 a fuse ?--Just seems light--- Second, if that is the right size fuse, you have a "stuck" or "slow" coin switch, as the pricing unit fuse is there to protect the credit add coils.?Check your Service Manual for the correct size/type fuse. ?Ron Rich --- On Mon, 5/25/09, digital.john@btopenworld.com wrote: From: digital.john@btopenworld.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 451 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 6:20 AM My Rock-Ola 451 has developed a problem everything worked as it should but now you can't get credit because the accumulator 1/4 amp slow blow fuse has blown and whenever you replace it it blows immediately. Any idea what might cause this? Thanks. John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon May 25 08:43:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon May 25 08:44:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3800 Message-ID: <201537.84546.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> That's as it should be--Selections made from the "keyboard" energize the "override magnet", while releasing a pin does not.?Ron Rich --- On Mon, 5/25/09, digital.john@btopenworld.com wrote: From: digital.john@btopenworld.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3800 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 6:27 AM Having tried a few of my collection for the first time in a while i have found a few problems. My Wurlitzer 3800 selects scans and plays as it should but if you push a selector pin up manually the mechanism doesn't start. If you selected say K1 it would play but if you then selected a lower selection say A1, C5 etc instead of the mechanism doing another circuit because these pins are raised it just stops in the home position and then after it's stopped I need to make another selection to restart? the mechanism. Any help appreciated. John? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Mon May 25 08:36:50 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon May 25 08:56:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3800 In-Reply-To: <151553.39188.qm@web86605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <151553.39188.qm@web86605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A1ABB12.9090704@telus.net> digital.john@btopenworld.com wrote: > Having tried a few of my collection for the first time in a while i have found a few problems. My Wurlitzer > 3800 selects scans and plays as it should but if you push a selector pin up manually the mechanism doesn't start. > If you selected say K1 it would play but if you then selected a lower selection say A1, C5 etc instead of the > mechanism doing another circuit because these pins are raised it just stops in the home position and then after it's stopped > I need to make another selection to restart the mechanism. Any help appreciated. John > This is normal behaviour for the Wurlitzers from the 3400 - 3800 inclusive. When a pin is manually released the machine can not search for it as the "Scan Solenoid (Ratchet)" has not been reset/activated. Pins released do not operate any switch - no wobble plate, etc. When a pin is released the Scan Solenoid is also fired and this starts the carousel turning for two complete rotations - these two rotations are starting from the home position it will do one rotation, this will likely catch any record selections made, then it does a second rotation in case it missed any pins and then comes to a stop at the home position. However if a selection is made (from the keyboard) while it is playing a record it will reset the Scan Solenoid to do two rotations to catch the new selection(s). Note that if the carousel is nearer the Home position (than the record selected) when the selection is made then that will clear one rotation count and the machine will only catch the selection on the second (and final) rotation. If the machine is only doing one rotation per selection (and thus missing selections sometimes when they are made while a record is playing) then remove the cover from the Scan Control assembly which is located on the rear of the carousel near the gear box - on some models it is on the underside of the main chassis, on the 3700 & 3800s it is on top - and adjust it so the reset arm only counts ont tooth per revolution. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jay at west.net Mon May 25 10:18:12 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon May 25 10:19:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 451 In-Reply-To: <773195.65457.qm@web86602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <773195.65457.qm@web86602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A1AD2D4.608@west.net> digital.john@btopenworld.com wrote: > My Rock-Ola 451 has developed a problem everything worked as it should but now you can't get credit > because the accumulator 1/4 amp slow blow fuse has blown and whenever you replace it it blows immediately. > Any idea what might cause this? Thanks. John Check for a coin stuck in the bottom of the rejector or a shorted coin switch or wiring. Do the switches from the coin mech plug in to the accumulator? If so, see if the fuse blows with the coin mech unplugged. An ohmmeter check of the coin switches should help. This should probably be a slow-blow fuse. The coin switches will draw a significant amount of current, but only very briefly as the coin drops through the bottom of the chute into the coin box. A good problem to have that can cause this if the juke is on location is the coin box being full. :-) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon May 25 13:23:04 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon May 25 13:26:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1446 Message-ID: <20090525.162304.14531.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Hello Pat: If you can get your hands on the original clear-faceted pilasters, you'll probably like the lighting effect of those more than the retrofit versions. The faceted pillars have the look of a Wurl. 1400-type pilaster,which break up the light like a prism would. The clear faceted pillars also have better light transfer---more luminance into the room. All of the aftermarket RO pilasters I've seen for sale are smooth white opaque plastic. The vertical lamp fixtures in a Comet are stationary----no movement. There are some aftermarket companies that sell light fixtures with rotating color filters, similar to what you would see on a Seeburg C or golden-age Wurlitzer. There are versions that will fit an RO 1446. I have a unique 1446 that's a candidate for restoration/rebuild. This unit was shipped back into the US in the late 90's from Havana, Cuba, where as recently as 1991 was in comm'l service in a Cuban coffee shop, per the operator stickers in the machine. The Cuban vending operator gave the machine a "facelift" where it looks like they put a lot of time/effort into it. The metal front grill has been replaced with bound,round wooden poles mounted in the arc of the door, similar to a Seeburg C's plexiglas poles. A black grill cloth was installed (mounted flat) against the speaker baffle board. The cabinet has been painted in a textured gray/white speckled paint. The pilasters have been replaced with pillars made of thick painted,formed paper. The paper lets light shine through them and it looks nice in a dark room. The paper construction is flimsy and can be easily cut or punctured. Your description made me think of this machine. I can send you pix if you're interested. I also have a "junk" ' 53 model 1438 that has the original metal fluted perf grill (damaged) that is in poor condition. My goal was to use this one as a parts donor in order to build one nice Fireball-Comet. I see that someone's offered the sale of 1" dia. acrylic tubing for your spkr grill. This might be a neat idea. Check to make sure that the 1" tubes can fit into the "arc" of the RO fr door. The 1" may be too wide to work. The wood poles in my RO are less than 1" and they fit the door nicely. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZXsnbbzsQ9XSLM0Jf5VZGepYucLqCl7mGJEk8SiQbpjcRc4HOK7O/ From pat2355 at aol.com Mon May 25 14:43:12 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Mon May 25 14:52:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1446 In-Reply-To: <20090525.162304.14531.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090525.162304.14531.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CBAB98EFD8C7BD-DC8-5558@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> I've got to say if anyone's work and results are worth the price than Mike is the MAN. -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 1:23 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 1446 Hello Pat: If you can get your hands on the original clear-faceted pilasters, you'll probably like the lighting effect of those more than the retrofit versions. The faceted pillars have the look of a Wurl. 1400-type pilaster,which break up the light like a prism would. The clear faceted pillars also have better light transfer---more luminance into the room. All of the aftermarket RO pilasters I've seen for sale are smooth white opaque plastic. The vertical lamp fixtures in a Comet are stationary----no movement. There are some aftermarket companies that sell light fixtures with rotating color filters, similar to what you would see on a Seeburg C or golden-age Wurlitzer. There are versions that will fit an RO 1446. I have a unique 1446 that's a candidate for restoration/rebuild. This unit was shipped back into the US in the late 90's from Havana, Cuba, where as recently as 1991 was in comm'l service in a Cuban coffee shop, per the operator stickers in the machine. The Cuban vending operator gave the machine a "facelift" where it looks like they put a lot of time/effort into it. The metal front grill has been replaced with bound,round wooden poles mounted in the arc of the door, similar to a Seeburg C's plexiglas poles. A black grill cloth was installed (mounted flat) against the speaker baffle board. The cabinet has been painted in a textured gray/white speckled paint. The pilasters have been replaced with pillars made of thick painted,formed paper. The paper lets light shine through them and it looks nice in a dark room. The paper construction is flimsy and can be easily cut or punctured. Your description made me think of this machine. I can send you pix if you're interested. I also have a "junk" ' 53 model 1438 that has the original metal fluted perf grill (damaged) that is in poor condition. My goal was to use this one as a parts donor in order to build one nice Fireball-Comet. I see that someone's offered the sale of 1" dia. acrylic tubing for your spkr grill. This might be a neat idea. Check to make sure that the 1" tubes can fit into the "arc" of the RO fr door. The 1" may be too wide to work. The wood poles in my RO are less than 1" and they fit the door nicely. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZXsnbbzsQ9XSLM0Jf5VZGepYucLqCl7mGJEk8SiQbpjcRc4HOK7O/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon May 25 16:21:53 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Mon May 25 16:23:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Message-ID: <000601c9dd8f$97de9b60$c79bd220$@net> Was lucky enough to pick this up REALLY cheap. The guy I got it from said there was a note attached that said all it needed is the Central Unit. It was on order but never arrived. I have the technical manual, but the black and yellow print makes it difficult to see anything clearly. The is juke is in awesome shape. I have a Satellite200 that currently does not work. Does anyone know if the central unit is compatible with this unit? The section in the manual that describes the Central Unit says.. Central Unit and Output Stage ES IV - CD for NSM Phonographs. Could this manual be for the CD model? The Central Unit has a part number of ST211 if that helps at all. Needless to say, she is dead without a Central Unit...So if anyone has any in site or parts...feel free to contact me As Always..Thank you. Rich From srice3 at cfl.rr.com Mon May 25 17:07:43 2009 From: srice3 at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Rice) Date: Mon May 25 17:08:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV References: <000601c9dd8f$97de9b60$c79bd220$@net> Message-ID: <65C3B89A852943A69568526525B1C6EF@yourguessing> I sent you a email direct regarding the IV central unit. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not use or circulate this e-mail transmission in the absence of explicit written permission from the original sender. Its contents are privileged and confidential, and are meant for use only by the named addressee(s) or entity. If the reader is not an intended recipient, then dissemination, in whole or in part, of these materials is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission, and kindly delete the message without copying or disclosing it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tcccjc at sbcglobal.net Mon May 25 19:12:32 2009 From: tcccjc at sbcglobal.net (Anthony Clayton) Date: Mon May 25 19:20:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Message-ID: <818417.27714.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Rich. Send me a picture of your CD juke box and central unit and tell me what is wrong with it.(what it's not doing)I have fixed a lot of this united in the past I maybe able to help you. --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 6:21 PM > Was lucky enough to pick this up > REALLY cheap.? The guy I got it from said > there was a note attached that said all it needed is the > Central Unit.? It > was on order but never arrived.? I have the technical > manual,? but the black > and yellow print makes it difficult to see anything > clearly.? The is juke is > in awesome shape.? I have a Satellite200 that > currently does not work.? Does > anyone know if the central unit is compatible with this > unit? > > > > The section in the manual that describes the Central Unit > says.. Central > Unit and Output Stage ES IV - CD? for NSM > Phonographs.? Could this manual be > for the CD model?? The Central Unit has a part number > of ST211 if that helps > at all. > > > > Needless to say,? she is dead without a Central > Unit...So if anyone has any > in site or parts...feel free to contact me > > > > As Always..Thank you. > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon May 25 20:31:58 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Mon May 25 20:33:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV In-Reply-To: <818417.27714.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <818417.27714.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c9ddb2$8728b940$957a2bc0$@net> Thanks Anthony. It is not the CD version, but a 45 rpm juke. The Central Unit is missing completely from the unit. I have a Satellite200, that has other issues, and was wondering if the Central Unit is compatible. From the pics in the tech manual, it looks completely different. I, however am not sure I am looking at the right part. Let me know and I will take pics and post for you. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Clayton Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:13 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Rich. Send me a picture of your CD juke box and central unit and tell me what is wrong with it.(what it's not doing)I have fixed a lot of this united in the past I maybe able to help you. --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 6:21 PM > Was lucky enough to pick this up > REALLY cheap.? The guy I got it from said > there was a note attached that said all it needed is the > Central Unit.? It > was on order but never arrived.? I have the technical > manual,? but the black > and yellow print makes it difficult to see anything > clearly.? The is juke is > in awesome shape.? I have a Satellite200 that > currently does not work.? Does > anyone know if the central unit is compatible with this > unit? > > > > The section in the manual that describes the Central Unit > says.. Central > Unit and Output Stage ES IV - CD? for NSM > Phonographs.? Could this manual be > for the CD model?? The Central Unit has a part number > of ST211 if that helps > at all. > > > > Needless to say,? she is dead without a Central > Unit...So if anyone has any > in site or parts...feel free to contact me > > > > As Always..Thank you. > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/25/09 18:14:00 From tcccjc at sbcglobal.net Mon May 25 20:45:54 2009 From: tcccjc at sbcglobal.net (Anthony Clayton) Date: Mon May 25 20:47:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Message-ID: <112953.28498.qm@web83809.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> want is the model number of the juke box so I may check my files --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 10:31 PM > Thanks Anthony.? It is not the > CD version,? but a 45 rpm juke.? The Central > Unit is missing completely from the unit.? I have a > Satellite200, that has > other issues, and was wondering if the Central Unit is > compatible.? From the > pics in the tech manual,? it looks completely > different.? I, however am not > sure? I am looking at the right part. > > Let me know and I will take pics and post for you. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] > On Behalf Of Anthony > Clayton > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:13 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > > > Rich. > Send me a picture of your CD juke box and central unit and > tell me what is > wrong with it.(what it's not doing)I have fixed a lot of > this united in the > past I maybe able to help you. > > --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > > Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 6:21 PM > > Was lucky enough to pick this up > > REALLY cheap.? The guy I got it from said > > there was a note attached that said all it needed is > the > > Central Unit.? It > > was on order but never arrived.? I have the > technical > > manual,? but the black > > and yellow print makes it difficult to see anything > > clearly.? The is juke is > > in awesome shape.? I have a Satellite200 that > > currently does not work.? Does > > anyone know if the central unit is compatible with > this > > unit? > > > >? > > > > The section in the manual that describes the Central > Unit > > says.. Central > > Unit and Output Stage ES IV - CD? for NSM > > Phonographs.? Could this manual be > > for the CD model?? The Central Unit has a part > number > > of ST211 if that helps > > at all. > > > >? > > > > Needless to say,? she is dead without a Central > > Unit...So if anyone has any > > in site or parts...feel free to contact me > > > >? > > > > As Always..Thank you. > > > >? > > > > Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release > Date: 05/25/09 > 18:14:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon May 25 20:52:58 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon May 25 20:54:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV In-Reply-To: <001901c9ddb2$8728b940$957a2bc0$@net> References: <818417.27714.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <001901c9ddb2$8728b940$957a2bc0$@net> Message-ID: Is there a part # of the CCU printed in the manual? I have alot of parts from a NSM I parted out a couple years ago. I don't remember which model it was, but I know it was before the 240 series. I'll see if I can find it and take pics this week. Thomas On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Thanks Anthony. It is not the CD version, but a 45 rpm juke. The Central > Unit is missing completely from the unit. I have a Satellite200, that has > other issues, and was wondering if the Central Unit is compatible. From > the > pics in the tech manual, it looks completely different. I, however am not > sure I am looking at the right part. > > Let me know and I will take pics and post for you. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Anthony > Clayton > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:13 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > > > Rich. > Send me a picture of your CD juke box and central unit and tell me what is > wrong with it.(what it's not doing)I have fixed a lot of this united in the > past I maybe able to help you. > > --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > > > From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > > Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 6:21 PM > > Was lucky enough to pick this up > > REALLY cheap. The guy I got it from said > > there was a note attached that said all it needed is the > > Central Unit. It > > was on order but never arrived. I have the technical > > manual, but the black > > and yellow print makes it difficult to see anything > > clearly. The is juke is > > in awesome shape. I have a Satellite200 that > > currently does not work. Does > > anyone know if the central unit is compatible with this > > unit? > > > > > > > > The section in the manual that describes the Central Unit > > says.. Central > > Unit and Output Stage ES IV - CD for NSM > > Phonographs. Could this manual be > > for the CD model? The Central Unit has a part number > > of ST211 if that helps > > at all. > > > > > > > > Needless to say, she is dead without a Central > > Unit...So if anyone has any > > in site or parts...feel free to contact me > > > > > > > > As Always..Thank you. > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/25/09 > 18:14:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From digital.john at btopenworld.com Tue May 26 08:08:19 2009 From: digital.john at btopenworld.com (digital.john@btopenworld.com) Date: Tue May 26 08:10:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 451 In-Reply-To: <4A1AD2D4.608@west.net> References: <773195.65457.qm@web86602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4A1AD2D4.608@west.net> Message-ID: <133885.47281.qm@web86607.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Thanks for the help it was a shorted coin switch. ? John ________________________________ From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Monday, 25 May, 2009 6:18:12 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 451 digital.john@btopenworld.com wrote: > My Rock-Ola 451 has developed a problem everything worked as it should but now you can't get credit because the accumulator 1/4 amp slow blow fuse has blown and whenever you replace it it blows immediately. > Any idea what might cause this? Thanks. John Check for a coin stuck in the bottom of the rejector or a shorted coin switch or wiring.? Do the switches from the coin mech plug in to the accumulator?? If so, see if the fuse blows with the coin mech unplugged. An ohmmeter check of the coin switches should help. This should probably be a slow-blow fuse.? The coin switches will draw a significant amount of current, but only very briefly as the coin drops through the bottom of the chute into the coin box. A good problem to have that can cause this if the juke is on location is the coin box being full.? :-) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From digital.john at btopenworld.com Tue May 26 08:11:32 2009 From: digital.john at btopenworld.com (digital.john@btopenworld.com) Date: Tue May 26 08:13:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3800 In-Reply-To: <4A1ABB12.9090704@telus.net> References: <151553.39188.qm@web86605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4A1ABB12.9090704@telus.net> Message-ID: <798776.37886.qm@web86604.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Thanks for the help, scan control switch adjusted and now working nicely. I am more used to the older Wurlitzers which is why i thought if i raised a pin it would scan. ????? John ________________________________ From: John Robertson To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Monday, 25 May, 2009 4:36:50 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3800 digital.john@btopenworld.com wrote: > Having tried a few of my collection for the first time in a while i have found a few problems. My Wurlitzer 3800 selects scans and plays as it should but if you push a selector pin up manually the mechanism doesn't start. If you selected say K1 it would play but if you then selected a lower selection say A1, C5 etc instead of the mechanism doing another circuit because these pins are raised it just stops in the home position and then after it's stopped I need to make another selection to restart? the mechanism. Any help appreciated. John? This is normal behaviour for the Wurlitzers from the 3400 - 3800 inclusive. When a pin is manually released the machine can not search for it as the "Scan Solenoid (Ratchet)" has not been reset/activated. Pins released do not operate any switch - no wobble plate, etc. When a pin is released the Scan Solenoid is also fired and this starts the carousel turning for two complete rotations - these two rotations are starting from the home position it will do one rotation, this will likely catch any record selections made, then it does a second rotation in case it missed any pins and then comes to a stop at the home position. However if a selection is made (from the keyboard) while it is playing a record it will reset the Scan Solenoid to do two rotations to catch the new selection(s). Note that if the carousel is nearer the Home position (than the record selected) when the selection is made then that will clear one rotation count and the machine will only catch the selection on the second (and final) rotation. If the machine is only doing one rotation per selection (and thus missing selections sometimes when they are made while a record is playing) then remove the cover from the Scan Control assembly which is located on the rear of the carousel near the gear box - on some models it is on the underside of the main chassis, on the 3700 & 3800s it is on top - and adjust it so the reset arm only counts ont tooth per revolution. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ron at cyberjunky.nl Tue May 26 08:17:05 2009 From: ron at cyberjunky.nl (Ron) Date: Tue May 26 08:27:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to clean/check Wurlitzer 2810 selection switches Message-ID: <4A1C07F1.2090806@cyberjunky.nl> Sometimes my 2810 doesn't give credits because of a open loop in the selection keyboard switches, hard to see where/which keys exactly, a little pulling/pushing on the internal switch array fixes it temporarily, but what is the best way to clean those switches? Regards, Ron. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue May 26 08:34:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue May 26 08:36:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 451 Message-ID: <81394.27446.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> What size is the fuse supposed to be ?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 5/26/09, digital.john@btopenworld.com wrote: From: digital.john@btopenworld.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 451 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 8:08 AM Thanks for the help it was a shorted coin switch. ? John ________________________________ From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Monday, 25 May, 2009 6:18:12 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 451 digital.john@btopenworld.com wrote: > My Rock-Ola 451 has developed a problem everything worked as it should but now you can't get credit because the accumulator 1/4 amp slow blow fuse has blown and whenever you replace it it blows immediately. > Any idea what might cause this? Thanks. John Check for a coin stuck in the bottom of the rejector or a shorted coin switch or wiring.? Do the switches from the coin mech plug in to the accumulator?? If so, see if the fuse blows with the coin mech unplugged. An ohmmeter check of the coin switches should help. This should probably be a slow-blow fuse.? The coin switches will draw a significant amount of current, but only very briefly as the coin drops through the bottom of the chute into the coin box. A good problem to have that can cause this if the juke is on location is the coin box being full.? :-) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue May 26 08:35:54 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue May 26 08:37:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to clean/check Wurlitzer 2810 selection switches Message-ID: <771266.17182.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ron, The best way is to use a burnishing tool. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to clean/check Wurlitzer 2810 selection switches To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 8:17 AM Sometimes my 2810 doesn't give credits because of a open loop in the selection keyboard switches, hard to see where/which keys exactly, a little pulling/pushing on the internal switch array fixes it temporarily, but what is the best way to clean those switches? Regards, Ron. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From digital.john at btopenworld.com Tue May 26 08:59:06 2009 From: digital.john at btopenworld.com (digital.john@btopenworld.com) Date: Tue May 26 09:07:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 451 In-Reply-To: <81394.27446.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <81394.27446.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <657912.42123.qm@web86612.mail.ird.yahoo.com> It is 1/4 amp slow blow. John ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 26 May, 2009 4:34:22 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 451 What size is the fuse supposed to be ?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 5/26/09, digital.john@btopenworld.com wrote: From: digital.john@btopenworld.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 451 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 8:08 AM Thanks for the help it was a shorted coin switch. ? John ________________________________ From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Monday, 25 May, 2009 6:18:12 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 451 digital.john@btopenworld.com wrote: > My Rock-Ola 451 has developed a problem everything worked as it should but now you can't get credit because the accumulator 1/4 amp slow blow fuse has blown and whenever you replace it it blows immediately. > Any idea what might cause this? Thanks. John Check for a coin stuck in the bottom of the rejector or a shorted coin switch or wiring.? Do the switches from the coin mech plug in to the accumulator?? If so, see if the fuse blows with the coin mech unplugged. An ohmmeter check of the coin switches should help. This should probably be a slow-blow fuse.? The coin switches will draw a significant amount of current, but only very briefly as the coin drops through the bottom of the chute into the coin box. A good problem to have that can cause this if the juke is on location is the coin box being full.? :-) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ron at cyberjunky.nl Tue May 26 09:44:56 2009 From: ron at cyberjunky.nl (Ron) Date: Tue May 26 09:46:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to clean/check Wurlitzer 2810 selection switches In-Reply-To: <771266.17182.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <771266.17182.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A1C1C88.9050402@cyberjunky.nl> Ok wil try to see if the local store has some. Thanks. Ron. > Ron, > The best way is to use a burnishing tool. Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Ron wrote: > > From: Ron > Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to clean/check Wurlitzer 2810 selection switches > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 8:17 AM > > > Sometimes my 2810 doesn't give credits because of a open loop in the selection keyboard switches, hard to see where/which keys exactly, a little pulling/pushing on the internal switch array fixes it temporarily, but what is the best way to clean those switches? > > Regards, > Ron. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue May 26 10:43:31 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue May 26 10:46:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV In-Reply-To: References: <818417.27714.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <001901c9ddb2$8728b940$957a2bc0$@net> Message-ID: <003201c9de29$7d9aeb60$78d0c220$@net> Thanks Thomas....I think here in the US, we are 50Hz, so the manual lists the part number of the Central Unit as 171 740. In case I am wrong....60Hz part number is 171 741 Thanks. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Teeter Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:53 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Is there a part # of the CCU printed in the manual? I have alot of parts from a NSM I parted out a couple years ago. I don't remember which model it was, but I know it was before the 240 series. I'll see if I can find it and take pics this week. Thomas On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Thanks Anthony. It is not the CD version, but a 45 rpm juke. The Central > Unit is missing completely from the unit. I have a Satellite200, that has > other issues, and was wondering if the Central Unit is compatible. From > the > pics in the tech manual, it looks completely different. I, however am not > sure I am looking at the right part. > > Let me know and I will take pics and post for you. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Anthony > Clayton > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:13 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > > > Rich. > Send me a picture of your CD juke box and central unit and tell me what is > wrong with it.(what it's not doing)I have fixed a lot of this united in the > past I maybe able to help you. > > --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > > > From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > > Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 6:21 PM > > Was lucky enough to pick this up > > REALLY cheap. The guy I got it from said > > there was a note attached that said all it needed is the > > Central Unit. It > > was on order but never arrived. I have the technical > > manual, but the black > > and yellow print makes it difficult to see anything > > clearly. The is juke is > > in awesome shape. I have a Satellite200 that > > currently does not work. Does > > anyone know if the central unit is compatible with this > > unit? > > > > > > > > The section in the manual that describes the Central Unit > > says.. Central > > Unit and Output Stage ES IV - CD for NSM > > Phonographs. Could this manual be > > for the CD model? The Central Unit has a part number > > of ST211 if that helps > > at all. > > > > > > > > Needless to say, she is dead without a Central > > Unit...So if anyone has any > > in site or parts...feel free to contact me > > > > > > > > As Always..Thank you. > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/25/09 > 18:14:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/25/09 18:14:00 From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue May 26 10:51:00 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue May 26 10:52:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV In-Reply-To: <112953.28498.qm@web83809.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <112953.28498.qm@web83809.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c9de2a$88b7cf30$9a276d90$@net> It is an NSM City IV Thanks. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Clayton Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:46 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV want is the model number of the juke box so I may check my files --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 10:31 PM > Thanks Anthony.? It is not the > CD version,? but a 45 rpm juke.? The Central > Unit is missing completely from the unit.? I have a > Satellite200, that has > other issues, and was wondering if the Central Unit is > compatible.? From the > pics in the tech manual,? it looks completely > different.? I, however am not > sure? I am looking at the right part. > > Let me know and I will take pics and post for you. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] > On Behalf Of Anthony > Clayton > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:13 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > > > Rich. > Send me a picture of your CD juke box and central unit and > tell me what is > wrong with it.(what it's not doing)I have fixed a lot of > this united in the > past I maybe able to help you. > > --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > > Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 6:21 PM > > Was lucky enough to pick this up > > REALLY cheap.? The guy I got it from said > > there was a note attached that said all it needed is > the > > Central Unit.? It > > was on order but never arrived.? I have the > technical > > manual,? but the black > > and yellow print makes it difficult to see anything > > clearly.? The is juke is > > in awesome shape.? I have a Satellite200 that > > currently does not work.? Does > > anyone know if the central unit is compatible with > this > > unit? > > > >? > > > > The section in the manual that describes the Central > Unit > > says.. Central > > Unit and Output Stage ES IV - CD? for NSM > > Phonographs.? Could this manual be > > for the CD model?? The Central Unit has a part > number > > of ST211 if that helps > > at all. > > > >? > > > > Needless to say,? she is dead without a Central > > Unit...So if anyone has any > > in site or parts...feel free to contact me > > > >? > > > > As Always..Thank you. > > > >? > > > > Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release > Date: 05/25/09 > 18:14:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/25/09 18:14:00 From jay at west.net Tue May 26 12:14:51 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue May 26 12:16:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV In-Reply-To: <003201c9de29$7d9aeb60$78d0c220$@net> References: <818417.27714.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <001901c9ddb2$8728b940$957a2bc0$@net> <003201c9de29$7d9aeb60$78d0c220$@net> Message-ID: <4A1C3FAB.8070205@west.net> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Thanks Thomas....I think here in the US, we are 50Hz, so the manual lists > the part number of the Central Unit as 171 740. In case I am wrong....60Hz > part number is 171 741 US power line frequency is 60 Hz. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue May 26 13:15:05 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue May 26 13:16:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV In-Reply-To: <4A1C3FAB.8070205@west.net> References: <818417.27714.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <001901c9ddb2$8728b940$957a2bc0$@net> <003201c9de29$7d9aeb60$78d0c220$@net> <4A1C3FAB.8070205@west.net> Message-ID: <003701c9de3e$a95ddf90$fc199eb0$@net> Thanks for the correction....I really look silly..... -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:15 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Thanks Thomas....I think here in the US, we are 50Hz, so the manual lists > the part number of the Central Unit as 171 740. In case I am wrong....60Hz > part number is 171 741 US power line frequency is 60 Hz. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/26/09 08:53:00 From gibson510 at hotmail.com Tue May 26 14:34:04 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Tue May 26 14:35:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC-1 Stepper and Wallbox installtion help needed Message-ID: Hi everyone, a coworker has an LPC-1 that I have worked on before. He recently bought a stepper and a wallbox off craigslist and has asked for my help in installing it. The stepper type is an RCSU4, and the wallbox he has is an SC-1, but I also have a nice clean SCH-1 that he would like if we can use that one instead. His LPC-1 does not have an income totalizer so I'm thinking I don't need to worry about a 10 conductor cable and can get by using seven? I wired the wallbox directly to the stepper and the light comes on the wallbox. If I drop any demonination coin in, it drops right through to the cashbox. If I manually put a credit on the wallbox, selection light comes on but I can't even press any buttons down to see if they latch. Also if I manually start the motor in the wallbox, the juke mech does scan and stop. I think I am close but not sure what im missing. Do I have the right type of stepper to use with the SCH1 Wallbox? I did wire the two together using an SC series wallbox installation manual. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009 From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Tue May 26 15:08:07 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Tue May 26 15:22:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aftermarket Wallbox adaptors Message-ID: Are there any adaptors being produced that allow use of one manufacturer's wallbox to work on another brand of juke? Specifically, I'd like to add some Seeburg SC wallboxes to a NSM 240-3 (ES IV). Jon Scaptura Endicott, NY, USA From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue May 26 16:01:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue May 26 16:02:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC-1 Stepper and Wallbox installtion help needed Message-ID: <154397.21962.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, First? of all, WHICH code RCSU-4 are you attempting to use? SC's and SCH's are not directly interchangeable, nor "useable" on the same wiring, if you attempt to use either type audio control. Next, without the ITS, did you modify the coin circuit in the SC prior to use ?? Do you have an early SC, or a late model (with the fuse added) ?? The SCH should have a (6/10 SB I think) coin fuse, and the SC should have one added, if not there. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 5/26/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC-1 Stepper and Wallbox installtion help needed To: "jukebox list" Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 2:34 PM Hi everyone, a coworker has an LPC-1 that I have worked on before. He recently bought a stepper and a wallbox off craigslist and has asked for my help in installing it. The stepper type is an RCSU4, and the wallbox he has is an SC-1, but I also have a nice clean SCH-1 that he would like if we can use that one instead. His LPC-1 does not have an income totalizer so I'm thinking I don't need to worry about a 10 conductor cable and can get by using seven? I wired the wallbox directly to the stepper and the light comes on the wallbox. If I drop any demonination coin in, it drops right through to the cashbox. If I manually put a credit on the wallbox, selection light comes on but I can't even press any buttons down to see if they latch. Also if I manually start the motor in the wallbox, the juke mech does scan and stop.. I think I am close but not sure what im missing. Do I have the right type of stepper to use with the SCH1 Wallbox? I did wire the two together using an SC series wallbox installation manual. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue May 26 17:38:25 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue May 26 17:40:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV In-Reply-To: References: <818417.27714.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <001901c9ddb2$8728b940$957a2bc0$@net> Message-ID: <004801c9de63$72a69c60$57f3d520$@net> Here is a link to pictures of the Centrale Unit my City IV is missing. A very nice lady from Arizona took pictures of hers and emailed to me. Pics 1507-1512 show various angles of the Central Unit. This is the part I need. 1512 also shows a lock over the top of a switch. Mine is missing this lock as well. Not hard to replace, but wondering what it is for. Thanks again for all the help. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/NSM/City%20IV/ Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Teeter Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:53 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Is there a part # of the CCU printed in the manual? I have alot of parts from a NSM I parted out a couple years ago. I don't remember which model it was, but I know it was before the 240 series. I'll see if I can find it and take pics this week. Thomas On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Thanks Anthony. It is not the CD version, but a 45 rpm juke. The Central > Unit is missing completely from the unit. I have a Satellite200, that has > other issues, and was wondering if the Central Unit is compatible. From > the > pics in the tech manual, it looks completely different. I, however am not > sure I am looking at the right part. > > Let me know and I will take pics and post for you. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Anthony > Clayton > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:13 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > > > Rich. > Send me a picture of your CD juke box and central unit and tell me what is > wrong with it.(what it's not doing)I have fixed a lot of this united in the > past I maybe able to help you. > > --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > > > From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > > Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 6:21 PM > > Was lucky enough to pick this up > > REALLY cheap. The guy I got it from said > > there was a note attached that said all it needed is the > > Central Unit. It > > was on order but never arrived. I have the technical > > manual, but the black > > and yellow print makes it difficult to see anything > > clearly. The is juke is > > in awesome shape. I have a Satellite200 that > > currently does not work. Does > > anyone know if the central unit is compatible with this > > unit? > > > > > > > > The section in the manual that describes the Central Unit > > says.. Central > > Unit and Output Stage ES IV - CD for NSM > > Phonographs. Could this manual be > > for the CD model? The Central Unit has a part number > > of ST211 if that helps > > at all. > > > > > > > > Needless to say, she is dead without a Central > > Unit...So if anyone has any > > in site or parts...feel free to contact me > > > > > > > > As Always..Thank you. > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/25/09 > 18:14:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/25/09 18:14:00 From jeremy at dwave.net Tue May 26 20:11:58 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue May 26 20:34:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV In-Reply-To: <004801c9de63$72a69c60$57f3d520$@net> References: <818417.27714.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <001901c9ddb2$8728b940$957a2bc0$@net> <004801c9de63$72a69c60$57f3d520$@net> Message-ID: <20090527030929.M6269@dwave.net> The lock operates the switch. It is a different way to have a key operated switch without having a custom lock made. The switch in the NSM is usualy used for free play. (computer needs to be setup for this). Jeremy Agema On Tue, 26 May 2009 19:38:25 -0500, Ssg Rich Myers wrote > Here is a link to pictures of the Centrale Unit my City IV is > missing. A very nice lady from Arizona took pictures of hers and > emailed to me. Pics 1507-1512 show various angles of the Central > Unit. This is the part I need. > > 1512 also shows a lock over the top of a switch. Mine is missing > this lock as well. Not hard to replace, but wondering what it is for. > > Thanks again for all the help. > > http://myersjukes.mine.nu/NSM/City%20IV/ > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Thomas > Teeter Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:53 PM To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > > Is there a part # of the CCU printed in the manual? I have alot of parts > from a NSM I parted out a couple years ago. I don't remember which > model it was, but I know it was before the 240 series. I'll see if I > can find it and take pics this week. > > Thomas > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > Thanks Anthony. It is not the CD version, but a 45 rpm juke. The > Central > > Unit is missing completely from the unit. I have a Satellite200, that has > > other issues, and was wondering if the Central Unit is compatible. From > > the > > pics in the tech manual, it looks completely different. I, however am > not > > sure I am looking at the right part. > > > > Let me know and I will take pics and post for you. > > > > Rich > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Anthony > > Clayton > > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:13 PM > > To: Jukebox mailing list > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > > > > > > Rich. > > Send me a picture of your CD juke box and central unit and tell me what is > > wrong with it.(what it's not doing)I have fixed a lot of this united in > the > > past I maybe able to help you. > > > > --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV > > > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > > > Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 6:21 PM > > > Was lucky enough to pick this up > > > REALLY cheap. The guy I got it from said > > > there was a note attached that said all it needed is the > > > Central Unit. It > > > was on order but never arrived. I have the technical > > > manual, but the black > > > and yellow print makes it difficult to see anything > > > clearly. The is juke is > > > in awesome shape. I have a Satellite200 that > > > currently does not work. Does > > > anyone know if the central unit is compatible with this > > > unit? > > > > > > > > > > > > The section in the manual that describes the Central Unit > > > says.. Central > > > Unit and Output Stage ES IV - CD for NSM > > > Phonographs. Could this manual be > > > for the CD model? The Central Unit has a part number > > > of ST211 if that helps > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Needless to say, she is dead without a Central > > > Unit...So if anyone has any > > > in site or parts...feel free to contact me > > > > > > > > > > > > As Always..Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/25/09 > > 18:14:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/25/09 > 18:14:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From TGMCCM at aol.com Tue May 26 22:00:39 2009 From: TGMCCM at aol.com (TGMCCM@aol.com) Date: Tue May 26 22:09:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 700 lamp wattage Message-ID: I recently took posession of a 1940 Wurlitzer 700 and have begun restoration. There are about 4 different wattages and styles of light bulbs currently in the unit. I am wondering what lamps were originally recommended to be used. Were they all the same or were there different wattages and styles for different areas? I have a service manual but the bulb spec is not listed. Thanks in advance. Tim ************** Dinner Made Easy Newsletter - Simple Meal Ideas for Your Family. Sign Up Now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221991367x1201443283/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225819%3B37274678%3 Bs%3Fhttp:%2F%2Frecipes.dinnermadeeasy.com%2F%3FESRC%3D622) From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed May 27 06:19:38 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed May 27 06:26:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 700 lamp wattage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't have a 700. But I do have a W500 and a 1015, and they use 15 watt bulbs in most locations (the manual calls for 11 watt in some areas of the 1015, but these are difficult to find). (the W500 originally had lumiline bulbs in some areas, but you don't have to worry about finding these oddities). I think you are safe going with 15 watt bulbs throughout. Anything higher might generate too much heat and damage the plastics. IMHO. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of TGMCCM@aol.com Sent: 2009, May, 27 1:01 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 700 lamp wattage I recently took posession of a 1940 Wurlitzer 700 and have begun restoration. There are about 4 different wattages and styles of light bulbs currently in the unit. I am wondering what lamps were originally recommended to be used. Were they all the same or were there different wattages and styles for different areas? I have a service manual but the bulb spec is not listed. Thanks in advance. Tim ************** Dinner Made Easy Newsletter - Simple Meal Ideas for Your Family. Sign Up Now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221991367x1201443283/aol?redir =http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225819%3B37274678%3 Bs%3Fhttp:%2F%2Frecipes.dinnermadeeasy.com%2F%3FESRC%3D622) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. 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From bobfav at cox.net Wed May 27 12:20:31 2009 From: bobfav at cox.net (bobfav@cox.net) Date: Wed May 27 12:36:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 700 Lamp Wattage In-Reply-To: <20090527190003.D0574AAB3B@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <20090527152031.4NM69.90176.imail@eastrmwml32> Message: 8 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:00:39 EDT From: TGMCCM@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 700 lamp wattage I recently took posession of a 1940 Wurlitzer 700 and have begun restoration. There are about 4 different wattages and styles of light bulbs currently in the unit. I am wondering what lamps were originally recommended to be used. Were they all the same or were there different wattages and styles for different areas? I have a service manual but the bulb spec is not listed. Thanks in advance. TGM I am not certain what the wattage was reccommended, but after trying many combinations over the years, I have a good handle on the wattages that look best in my 700. I use the 11 watt sign bulbs in most places. I then backed off to the ping-pong ball size 7 watt bulbs on the door and anywhere I felt less light was sufficient. I got away from the 15 watt bulbs altogether. Hope this helps Bob in RI From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Wed May 27 13:56:08 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (dwaw12@yahoo.com) Date: Wed May 27 13:57:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 700 lamp wattage Message-ID: <188239.44750.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim, I would not use any wattage greater than 15 watts.? I have an W-800 and have had a W-700.? Some places used the 7-1/2 watt bulbs.? I think the title board area and these would be appropriate.? I would use the lowest wattage bulbs that made me happy. I would use the 15 or 11 watt bulbs for areas that have more room to disperse the heat without getting plastics hot. Try bulb.com for the hard to find 11 watt bulbs. I ordered a bunch for my old jukeboxes but they haven't come yet (hope they do). I want to have some extras since incandescent lighting is not too prevalent these days. Hope to see some pictures of your 700! Wish I had not let mine get away many years ago. David Wendell (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Tue, 5/26/09, TGMCCM@aol.com wrote: > From: TGMCCM@aol.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 700 lamp wattage > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 11:00 PM > I recently took posession of a 1940 > Wurlitzer 700 and have begun > restoration.? There are about 4 different wattages and > styles of light bulbs currently > in the unit.? I am wondering what lamps were > originally recommended to be > used.? Were they all the same or were there different > wattages and styles for > different areas?? I have a service manual but the bulb > spec is not listed.? > Thanks in advance. > > Tim > > > ************** > Dinner Made Easy Newsletter - Simple Meal Ideas for Your > Family. Sign Up Now! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221991367x1201443283/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225819%3B37274678%3 > Bs%3Fhttp:%2F%2Frecipes.dinnermadeeasy.com%2F%3FESRC%3D622) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From TGMCCM at aol.com Wed May 27 21:53:14 2009 From: TGMCCM at aol.com (TGMCCM@aol.com) Date: Wed May 27 22:01:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 700 lamp wattage Message-ID: Thanks for all the responses folks. Seems like 7.5 and 11 is the way to go. Tim ************** Cooking Dinner For Two? Sign Up & Get Immediate Member-Only Savings. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2129 - Release Date: 05/22/09 17:56:00 From jay at west.net Thu May 28 10:14:07 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu May 28 10:15:48 2009 Subject: SV: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg value In-Reply-To: <47EBD7475ADB46D4A79D1358D6E9101E@DCMJ4461> References: <47EBD7475ADB46D4A79D1358D6E9101E@DCMJ4461> Message-ID: <4A1EC65F.1030502@west.net> Janet Lee wrote: > We have a Seeburgh that only plays 45 on both sides I belive it holds 50 records. It looks like a 57 Chevrolet can you tell me what it mite be worth. Thank you Robert Lee Three things that would help us give an accurate answer: 1. What's the model number? It should be on a metal plate on the back. 2. What condition is it in? Chrome pitting, rotted cabinet, missing parts, poor custom paint job, etc. can significantly affect value. 3. Where are you located? Shipping jukeboxes long distances can be an issue. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dppe at inebraska.com Thu May 28 15:09:02 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Thu May 28 15:10:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Does anybody have any Wurlitzer 2304 title stripholders? In-Reply-To: <1C1FC7CEAA4849AFA0281D99F7AC782B@PAW> References: <1C1FC7CEAA4849AFA0281D99F7AC782B@PAW> Message-ID: <0c5bcc677322e55006236e1ff0d3a25b@inebraska.com> Hi Roy, I called you once when I was at Victory Glass. Denny had a dress cap for a different model Rockola for $140, but not the one I needed for a 1455. I called you and you told me $500 bucks and that is why I have not gotten back with you on parts. Any way I will try you again, I do need the following parts: Wurlitzer 2304 4 Plastic Title Strip Holders Left and Right Dress Shelving (mine has the corners edges broke off) Rockola 1455 S Left and Right hand lower Dress Panel Assembly Mechanism Dress Cap Front Panel Glass with the word "ROCKOLA" on it. Please take it easy on me. Thanks! Dana On May 25, 2009, at 9:37 AM, The Jukebox Junkyard wrote: > Dana: I should have some tittle holder for your 2304. Give me a call > > Roy > > Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The > REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs > > The Jukebox Junkyard > PO Box 338 > Lizella,GA 31052 USA > WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com > > 678-833-5749 > > Plese respect or business hrs which are > Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST > > That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND > > > Looking for some title holders for my Wurlitzer 2304. This is a 104 > selection, 52 record machine. Thanks! Dana > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From agoogol at msn.com Thu May 28 14:27:48 2009 From: agoogol at msn.com (Crater) Date: Fri May 29 08:15:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 147 Message-ID: Help? Anyone want to buy one in CO? _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 From webmaster at guestwho.com Thu May 28 14:15:53 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Fri May 29 08:16:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Testing Wurlitzer 543 Amp Out Of Circuit Message-ID: Hi all, I have a wurlitzer 2600 with a model 543 stereo amplifier. There is no speaker output from the amp, however the auxillary outputs work correctly (I get sound when I connect to an external amplifier). I have replaced a number of capacitors using a kit I bought - the only ones not done are the large "can" style capactitors on the top of the chassis. I have a service manual, and slowly trying to work it out myself (familliar with electronics, but new to tube amps and phonos in general). It's a real pain to pull the amp, fix something, and put it back in to test it, so I was wondering is it possible to test the amp out of circuit (ie. on my workbench) ? Do I need to do anything special or should it just work as soon as I connect an audio source and speakers/external amp ? For the audio source I was thinking an mp3 player would be most convient - but I should have an old record player somewhere if that is more appropriate? Any help is appreciated. Chris From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri May 29 08:45:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri May 29 08:46:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Testing Wurlitzer 543 Amp Out Of Circuit Message-ID: <392220.33779.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Chris, You need a "dummy plug" wired as per the schematic, in the mute socket. Input signal may or may not work with a MP-3, but a portable radio will work.? You will need to adjust the volume on the radio to compensate--- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Chris Ralph wrote: From: Chris Ralph Subject: [Jukebox-list] Testing Wurlitzer 543 Amp Out Of Circuit To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 2:15 PM Hi all, I have a wurlitzer 2600 with a model 543 stereo amplifier. There is no speaker output from the amp, however the auxillary outputs work correctly (I get sound when I connect to an external amplifier). I have replaced a number of capacitors using a kit I bought - the only ones not done are the large "can" style capactitors on the top of the chassis. I have a service manual, and slowly trying to work it out myself (familliar with electronics, but new to tube amps and phonos in general). It's a real pain to pull the amp, fix something, and put it back in to test it, so I was wondering is it possible to test the amp out of circuit (ie. on my workbench) ? Do I need to do anything special or should it just work as soon as I connect an audio source and speakers/external amp ? For the audio source I was thinking an mp3 player would be most convient - but I should have an old record player somewhere if that is more appropriate? Any help is appreciated. Chris _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Fri May 29 08:37:51 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri May 29 08:49:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Testing Wurlitzer 543 Amp Out Of Circuit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A20014F.5010508@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a wurlitzer 2600 with a model 543 stereo amplifier. There is no > speaker output from the amp, however the auxillary outputs work > correctly (I get sound when I connect to an external amplifier). > > It's a real pain to pull the amp, fix something, and put it back in to > test it, so I was wondering is it possible to test the amp out of > circuit (ie. on my workbench) ? Do I need to do anything special or > should it just work as soon as I connect an audio source and > speakers/external amp ? If you look at the manual you'll see the 11-pin socket for the mech, labeled "Chassis". Shown are a pair of jumpers each of which connects two pins on the socket. You'll need to connect those pins to power the amplifier up outside of the box. You can make a dummy plug if you have an 11-pin plug in your junk box, or use clip leads, or even stiff wire. The 11-pin plugs are kind of hard to come by, but they're still used on some industrial relays which can be disassembled for the plug. Make sure that you count the pins correctly, jumpering the wrong points on that plug can cause damage. At least one of the jumpers has line voltage on it, and tube amplifiers have internal voltages over 400 volts, so be very careful. > For the audio source I was thinking an mp3 player would be most convient > - but I should have an old record player somewhere if that is more > appropriate? For the Wurlitzer stereo amplifiers an MP3 player at a low volume will work, as will a tuner or tape deck with RCA "line" outputs. These amplifiers see a ceramic cartridge with about a volt of output, fairly close to line level. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri May 29 08:54:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri May 29 08:55:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Testing Wurlitzer 543 Amp Out Of Circuit Message-ID: <752953.73777.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Chris, Jay is correct--it's the "Chassis" NOT (as I wrote), "mute" plug. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Testing Wurlitzer 543 Amp Out Of Circuit To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 8:37 AM Chris Ralph wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a wurlitzer 2600 with a model 543 stereo amplifier. There is no speaker output from the amp, however the auxillary outputs work correctly (I get sound when I connect to an external amplifier). > > It's a real pain to pull the amp, fix something, and put it back in to test it, so I was wondering is it possible to test the amp out of circuit (ie.. on my workbench) ? Do I need to do anything special or should it just work as soon as I connect an audio source and speakers/external amp ? If you look at the manual you'll see the 11-pin socket for the mech, labeled "Chassis".? Shown are a pair of jumpers each of which connects two pins on the socket.? You'll need to connect those pins to power the amplifier up outside of the box.? You can make a dummy plug if you have an 11-pin plug in your junk box, or use clip leads, or even stiff wire. The 11-pin plugs are kind of hard to come by, but they're still used on some industrial relays which can be disassembled for the plug.? Make sure that you count the pins correctly, jumpering the wrong points on that plug can cause damage. At least one of the jumpers has line voltage on it, and tube amplifiers have internal voltages over 400 volts, so be very careful. > For the audio source I was thinking an mp3 player would be most convient - but I should have an old record player somewhere if that is more appropriate? For the Wurlitzer stereo amplifiers an MP3 player at a low volume will work, as will a tuner or tape deck with RCA "line" outputs.? These amplifiers see a ceramic cartridge with about a volt of output, fairly close to line level. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Sat May 30 06:16:19 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Sat May 30 06:18:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Does anybody have any Wurlitzer 2304 titlestripholders? References: <1C1FC7CEAA4849AFA0281D99F7AC782B@PAW> <0c5bcc677322e55006236e1ff0d3a25b@inebraska.com> Message-ID: Dana: No problem about the post. I will check and see about the program holders, I think I have a set..As for the Dress cap prety sure I do not have . Just a little info on my pricing . I feel like that the price of these OLD Original parts are getting more and more of a premium every day especialy those that are not being reproduced. even those that are being reproduced as there are some persons out in "Jukebox Land" that reproduced parts will not be used on their Juke but Must have the Original part. Secondly many more parts are not being reproduced now as the interest in Jukes has declined somewhat because of the economy. Thirdly the scarcity of these parts has increased, also every sell I make I am selling myself OUT of buisness since my inventory is not being replenished. So in conclusion I am selling myself closer to being out of buisness with every sale. Therefor if my priceing does not suit your budget I understand. Roy W Dean Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND From juke1515 at gmail.com Sat May 30 09:29:36 2009 From: juke1515 at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sat May 30 09:31:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental II Even Sides Only Message-ID: <9fb7065e0905300929p5c8aaaecy8cab1109773a6d49@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I have an AMI Continental II that has worked flawlessly for many years....but now it's only playing the even sides. What I see happening is this: After an even side has played successfully and I make an ODD number selection the toggleshifter is not moving to the other side to play the ODD selection. If I reset the toggleshifter to play the ODD selection and then make an EVEN selection, the toggleshifter solenoid will energize and move to play the EVEN selection. It just won't energize and move to play an ODD selection after an EVEN selection has been made. When manually moving the toggle shifter bar back and forth I can hear both transfer switches operating (clicking). As I said earlier, this machine has performed flawlessly for years. Thank you for any input! Sincerely, Berry Bell Elgin, IL From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 30 09:49:13 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 30 09:50:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental II Even Sides Only Message-ID: <717968.48167.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Berry, Since you did not say, I'll assume that when you select an "odd" side, it does "pull" a pin, start the scan, stop at the correct record, but plays an even side. If it does that, what you will need to do is determine if the toggle shifter is supposed to activate, at that point via an electric pulse, or is it a mechanical (spring) that controls it. ( AMi changed that operation several times, and I do not recall what the Conty does--and am frankly to lazy to dig out the manual). If there are two toggle shifter coils, you will need to get out the schemo and find out which switch is used to pulse the correct coil. If there is just one coil, it's possible that the switch is still defective, or that the spring, and / or linkage is not operating freely. Hope that helps--Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Berry Bell wrote: From: Berry Bell Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental II Even Sides Only To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 9:29 AM Hello, I have an AMI Continental II that has worked flawlessly for many years....but now it's only playing the even sides. What I see happening is this:? After an even side has played successfully and I make an ODD number selection the toggle shifter is not moving to the other side to play the ODD selection.? If I reset the toggle shifter to play the ODD selection and then make an EVEN selection, the toggle shifter solenoid will energize and move to play the EVEN selection. It just won't energize and move to play an ODD selection after an EVEN selection has been made. When manually moving the toggle shifter bar back and forth I can hear both transfer switches operating (clicking). As I said earlier, this machine has performed flawlessly for years.? Thank you for any input! Sincerely, Berry Bell Elgin, IL _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat May 30 11:28:27 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat May 30 11:29:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental II Even Sides Only References: <9fb7065e0905300929p5c8aaaecy8cab1109773a6d49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701c9e154$6d900fb0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Hi Berry - I would guess it's either an open toggleshifter coil or the microswitch to it is not made. It's the coil on the right side as you face the front of the machine. The microswitch is number 5 (farthest to the right). There is a small terminal strip near the microswitch bank and I believe one wire from each of the toggleshifter coils are connected to a common orange wire closest to the basket. The coil wires have terminals you can simply pull off the terminal strip so it's easy to check them. I believe they measure around 10 ohms, but don't hold me to that. No need to disconnect the other end from the microswitch (it's a little tight working in that area). If the coil measures OK, check the microswitch - it should be closed with the gripper over the basket, and opens up very soon after the gripper motor starts. There is an adjustment screw on top of the microswitch you can turn slightly if you determine the switch is not made. Of course the switch could be bad internally as well. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berry Bell" To: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental II Even Sides Only > Hello, > > I have an AMI Continental II that has worked flawlessly for many > years....but now it's only playing the even sides. > What I see happening is this: After an even side has played successfully > and I make an ODD number selection the toggleshifter is not moving to the > other side to play the ODD selection. If I reset the toggleshifter to > play > the ODD selection and then make an EVEN selection, the toggleshifter > solenoid will energize and move to play the EVEN selection. > > It just won't energize and move to play an ODD selection after an EVEN > selection has been made. > > When manually moving the toggle shifter bar back and forth I can hear both > transfer switches operating (clicking). > > As I said earlier, this machine has performed flawlessly for years. Thank > you for any input! > > Sincerely, > Berry Bell > Elgin, IL > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dppe at inebraska.com Sat May 30 14:34:50 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sat May 30 14:36:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Does anybody have any Wurlitzer 2304 titlestripholders? In-Reply-To: References: <1C1FC7CEAA4849AFA0281D99F7AC782B@PAW> <0c5bcc677322e55006236e1ff0d3a25b@inebraska.com> Message-ID: Hi Roy, No longer need the Rockola parts. I do need the program holders for the 4 program holders for the Wurlitzer 2304. Thanks for your time. Dana On May 30, 2009, at 8:16 AM, The Jukebox Junkyard wrote: > Dana: No problem about the post. I will check and see about the > program holders, I think I have a set..As for the Dress cap prety sure > I do not have > . > Just a little info on my pricing . I feel like that the price of > these OLD Original parts are getting more and more of a premium every > day especialy those that are not being reproduced. even those that are > being reproduced as there are some persons out in "Jukebox Land" that > reproduced parts will not be used on their Juke but Must have the > Original part. Secondly many more parts are not being reproduced now > as the interest in Jukes has declined somewhat because of the economy. > Thirdly the scarcity of these parts has increased, also every sell I > make I am selling myself OUT of buisness since my inventory is not > being replenished. > > So in conclusion I am selling myself closer to being out of buisness > with every sale. > > Therefor if my priceing does not suit your budget I understand. > Roy W Dean > > > Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The > REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs > > The Jukebox Junkyard > PO Box 338 > Lizella,GA 31052 USA > WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com > > 678-833-5749 > > Plese respect or business hrs which are > Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST > > That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From julie.mitchell at gmail.com Sat May 30 17:21:06 2009 From: julie.mitchell at gmail.com (Julie Mitchell) Date: Sat May 30 17:50:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) Message-ID: Hi all, I have a beautiful M100A that I bought about a year ago, and it's working nicely except for one little problem. There seems to be some overheating and occasionally smoke coming out of the area where the wiring harness goes into the selection box in the front. It has the odor of burnt paper. I was unable to figure anything much out, and I do better with mech stuff than electrical anyway. Anyone nearby Madison WI and want to come have a look? I called the one person I knew in the area who worked on Seeburgs, and sadly he passed away last year. I had a nice chat with his partner, and she has a Trashcan and M100C that need a look, too, so if you are in the area know Seeburgs, please give me a buzz. I have all the front glass and the animation kit out right now. If you can do this soon, I'll leave it that way and save you some hassle. -Julie PS: I live three blocks from the Farmer's Market and will give you free parking for the day. From julie.mitchell at gmail.com Sat May 30 17:54:13 2009 From: julie.mitchell at gmail.com (Julie Mitchell) Date: Sat May 30 17:55:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm sorry. My juke is a M100B, not a M100A. I'm sure they are similar, though. -Julie On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Julie Mitchell wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a beautiful M100A that I bought about a year ago, and it's > working nicely except for one little problem. ?There seems to be some > overheating and occasionally smoke coming out of the area where the > wiring harness goes into the selection box in the front. ?It has the > odor of burnt paper. ?I was unable to figure anything much out, and I > do better with mech stuff than electrical anyway. > > Anyone nearby Madison WI and want to come have a look? ?I called the > one person I knew in the area who worked on Seeburgs, and sadly he > passed away last year. ?I had a nice chat with his partner, and she > has a Trashcan and M100C that need a look, too, so if you are in the > area know Seeburgs, please give me a buzz. > > I have all the front glass and the animation kit out right now. ?If > you can do this soon, I'll leave it that way and save you some hassle. > > -Julie > > PS: I live three blocks from the Farmer's Market and will give you > free parking for the day. > From rothbear at comcast.net Sat May 30 18:14:35 2009 From: rothbear at comcast.net (The Roths) Date: Sat May 30 18:22:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Listings on Pittsburgh Craigslist Message-ID: <0BA9B7436528476C890B6898FFBEF8BA@home> There is a Rockola 1488 and an AMI Continental 2 posted on the Pittsburgh, PA Craigslist. Take a look if interested. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 30 18:39:48 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 30 18:41:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) Message-ID: <992438.30454.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Julie, >From what I gather from what you wrote, the "latchbar solenoid" is shorting out in the electrical selector. My advise is that you not use it till the solenoid is replaced. and I would suggest adding a "free play adapter" at the same time. To leave it on now risks a very large fire !! --Please unplug it !? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Julie Mitchell wrote: From: Julie Mitchell Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 5:21 PM Hi all, I have a beautiful M100A that I bought about a year ago, and it's working nicely except for one little problem.? There seems to be some overheating and occasionally smoke coming out of the area where the wiring harness goes into the selection box in the front.? It has the odor of burnt paper.? I was unable to figure anything much out, and I do better with mech stuff than electrical anyway. Anyone nearby Madison WI and want to come have a look?? I called the one person I knew in the area who worked on Seeburgs, and sadly he passed away last year.? I had a nice chat with his partner, and she has a Trashcan and M100C that need a look, too, so if you are in the area know Seeburgs, please give me a buzz. I have all the front glass and the animation kit out right now.? If you can do this soon, I'll leave it that way and save you some hassle. -Julie PS: I live three blocks from the Farmer's Market and will give you free parking for the day. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat May 30 18:40:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat May 30 18:42:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) Message-ID: <619009.4796.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Same part----same answer-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Julie Mitchell wrote: From: Julie Mitchell Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 5:54 PM I'm sorry.? My juke is a M100B, not a M100A.? I'm sure they are similar, though. -Julie On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Julie Mitchell wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a beautiful M100A that I bought about a year ago, and it's > working nicely except for one little problem. ?There seems to be some > overheating and occasionally smoke coming out of the area where the > wiring harness goes into the selection box in the front. ?It has the > odor of burnt paper. ?I was unable to figure anything much out, and I > do better with mech stuff than electrical anyway. > > Anyone nearby Madison WI and want to come have a look? ?I called the > one person I knew in the area who worked on Seeburgs, and sadly he > passed away last year. ?I had a nice chat with his partner, and she > has a Trashcan and M100C that need a look, too, so if you are in the > area know Seeburgs, please give me a buzz. > > I have all the front glass and the animation kit out right now. ?If > you can do this soon, I'll leave it that way and save you some hassle. > > -Julie > > PS: I live three blocks from the Farmer's Market and will give you > free parking for the day. > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From julie.mitchell at gmail.com Sat May 30 19:23:56 2009 From: julie.mitchell at gmail.com (Julie Mitchell) Date: Sat May 30 19:25:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) In-Reply-To: <992438.30454.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <992438.30454.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ron. It is unplugged for sure! It already has a free play button, so that part is done. If anyone knows where to get the part or can install it here in Wisco, I'm all ears. -Julie On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Julie, > >From what I gather from what you wrote, the "latchbar solenoid" is shorting out in the electrical selector. My advise is that you not use it till the solenoid is replaced. and I would suggest adding a "free play adapter" at the same time. To leave it on now risks a very large fire !! --Please unplug it !? Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Julie Mitchell wrote: > > From: Julie Mitchell > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 5:21 PM > > Hi all, > > I have a beautiful M100A that I bought about a year ago, and it's > working nicely except for one little problem.? There seems to be some > overheating and occasionally smoke coming out of the area where the > wiring harness goes into the selection box in the front.? It has the > odor of burnt paper.? I was unable to figure anything much out, and I > do better with mech stuff than electrical anyway. > > Anyone nearby Madison WI and want to come have a look?? I called the > one person I knew in the area who worked on Seeburgs, and sadly he > passed away last year.? I had a nice chat with his partner, and she > has a Trashcan and M100C that need a look, too, so if you are in the > area know Seeburgs, please give me a buzz. > > I have all the front glass and the animation kit out right now.? If > you can do this soon, I'll leave it that way and save you some hassle. > > -Julie > > PS: I live three blocks from the Farmer's Market and will give you > free parking for the day. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun May 31 07:19:30 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun May 31 07:21:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) Message-ID: <854421.1748.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Julie Mitchell wrote: > Thanks Ron. It is unplugged for > sure! It already has a free play > button, so that part is done. Are you leaving the selection system energized (ie, the "SELECT" light is on and the buttons stay down when pressed) even when you are not actively making selections? This will cause the latch solenoid to overheat, as it's not intended for continuous operation. (The engineers assumed that a customer would insert his or her coin, then use up all their selections promptly.) The kind of free play attachment Ron was talking about will energize the solenoid when the first button is pressed, then de-energize it when the second button is pressed. It sounds like you just have a button connected in series with one of the coin switches. That will work, but you must be careful not to leave the machine with the "SELECT" light on for more than a minute or two at a time. From julie.mitchell at gmail.com Sun May 31 07:33:27 2009 From: julie.mitchell at gmail.com (Julie Mitchell) Date: Sun May 31 07:35:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) In-Reply-To: <854421.1748.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <854421.1748.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks! It's possible that's what killed it. I was having a party and pushed the button a bunch of times to rack up some credits. So, based on what you are saying, what I did would overhead the machine. I wonder if I just exhausted the bank of credits now if this would fix the problem? Or, is it possibly too late once there is smoke involved? -Julie On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:19 AM, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Julie Mitchell wrote: > >> Thanks Ron. ?It is unplugged for >> sure! ?It already has a free play >> button, so that part is done. > > Are you leaving the selection system energized (ie, the > "SELECT" light is on and the buttons stay down when > pressed) even when you are not actively making selections? > This will cause the latch solenoid to overheat, as it's > not intended for continuous operation. ?(The engineers > assumed that a customer would insert his or her coin, > then use up all their selections promptly.) The kind of > free play attachment Ron was talking about will energize > the solenoid when the first button is pressed, then > de-energize it when the second button is pressed. ?It > sounds like you just have a button connected in series > with one of the coin switches. ?That will work, but you > must be careful not to leave the machine with the > "SELECT" light on for more than a minute or two at > a time. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun May 31 08:18:43 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun May 31 08:20:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) Message-ID: <932948.35533.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Julie, The fact that "it already has? free play button" is probably the cause of your problem. Most "Coin Operated Phonographs", including yours, were NEVER intended to have a "free play button" installed. What I suggested was not just a button, but an added electronic circuit, that protects the solenoid, and allows constant "free play". What you need is a new solenoid, as I see it. They are somewhat difficult to install in that model keyboard. If you have the service manual, it is item #23 on page 3044. You will need the service manual, plus electro/mechanical skills to replace it, and have it operate correctly. These are available from www.verntisdale.com and other sources. Several people make the electronic part I suggested. Or, if you like, you may send me the keyboard for repair. Contact me off list at ronnnrich@yahoo.com if you wish.? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Julie Mitchell wrote: From: Julie Mitchell Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 7:23 PM Thanks Ron.? It is unplugged for sure!? It already has a free play button, so that part is done. If anyone knows where to get the part or can install it here in Wisco, I'm all ears. -Julie On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Julie, > >From what I gather from what you wrote, the "latchbar solenoid" is shorting out in the electrical selector. My advise is that you not use it till the solenoid is replaced. and I would suggest adding a "free play adapter" at the same time. To leave it on now risks a very large fire !! --Please unplug it !? Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Julie Mitchell wrote: > > From: Julie Mitchell > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 5:21 PM > > Hi all, > > I have a beautiful M100A that I bought about a year ago, and it's > working nicely except for one little problem.? There seems to be some > overheating and occasionally smoke coming out of the area where the > wiring harness goes into the selection box in the front.? It has the > odor of burnt paper.? I was unable to figure anything much out, and I > do better with mech stuff than electrical anyway. > > Anyone nearby Madison WI and want to come have a look?? I called the > one person I knew in the area who worked on Seeburgs, and sadly he > passed away last year.? I had a nice chat with his partner, and she > has a Trashcan and M100C that need a look, too, so if you are in the > area know Seeburgs, please give me a buzz. > > I have all the front glass and the animation kit out right now.? If > you can do this soon, I'll leave it that way and save you some hassle. > > -Julie > > PS: I live three blocks from the Farmer's Market and will give you > free parking for the day. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun May 31 08:40:29 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun May 31 08:42:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) Message-ID: <427567.83199.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Smoke makes it a real chance that it is too late !? Attempting to do that MAY cause it to "flame"--I would not take the chance myself --Ron Rich --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Julie Mitchell wrote: From: Julie Mitchell Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 7:33 AM Thanks!? It's possible that's what killed it.? I was having a party and pushed the button a bunch of times to rack up some credits.? So, based on what you are saying, what I did would overhead the machine. I wonder if I just exhausted the bank of credits now if this would fix the problem?? Or, is it possibly too late once there is smoke involved? -Julie On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:19 AM, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Julie Mitchell wrote: > >> Thanks Ron. ?It is unplugged for >> sure! ?It already has a free play >> button, so that part is done. > > Are you leaving the selection system energized (ie, the > "SELECT" light is on and the buttons stay down when > pressed) even when you are not actively making selections? > This will cause the latch solenoid to overheat, as it's > not intended for continuous operation. ?(The engineers > assumed that a customer would insert his or her coin, > then use up all their selections promptly.) The kind of > free play attachment Ron was talking about will energize > the solenoid when the first button is pressed, then > de-energize it when the second button is pressed. ?It > sounds like you just have a button connected in series > with one of the coin switches. ?That will work, but you > must be careful not to leave the machine with the > "SELECT" light on for more than a minute or two at > a time. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Sun May 31 11:39:20 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sun May 31 11:41:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox Message-ID: <7E688465F53C4B4A80123F908055139E@CHRISLAPTOP> Hi all, Can someone take a look at the following picture and tell me what model this wallbox is ? http://www.guestwho.com/juke/wallbox-1.jpg I was told it was a 5220, but according to some others the 5220 has a volume control and speakers (this box doesn't have either). Chris From webmaster at guestwho.com Sun May 31 11:56:28 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sun May 31 11:58:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted: Wurtlizer 2600 Top Ten Tunes Unit Message-ID: Hi all, Does anybody have for sale, or know where I could buy, a top ten tunes unit for my wurlitzer 2600 ? Chris From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun May 31 11:54:33 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun May 31 12:01:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox In-Reply-To: <7E688465F53C4B4A80123F908055139E@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <7E688465F53C4B4A80123F908055139E@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <000b01c9e221$3c7d1bc0$b5775340$@force9.co.uk> Chris, It is a 5250. They were available with or without speakers, Nige, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Chris Ralph Sent: 31 May 2009 19:39 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox Hi all, Can someone take a look at the following picture and tell me what model this wallbox is ? http://www.guestwho.com/juke/wallbox-1.jpg I was told it was a 5220, but according to some others the 5220 has a volume control and speakers (this box doesn't have either). Chris _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun May 31 11:56:09 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun May 31 12:03:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox References: <7E688465F53C4B4A80123F908055139E@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <000c01c9e221$762a94b0$627fbe10$@force9.co.uk> Sorry - meant to say 5220. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Pugh [mailto:pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk] Sent: 31 May 2009 19:55 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox Chris, It is a 5250. They were available with or without speakers, Nige, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Chris Ralph Sent: 31 May 2009 19:39 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox Hi all, Can someone take a look at the following picture and tell me what model this wallbox is ? http://www.guestwho.com/juke/wallbox-1.jpg I was told it was a 5220, but according to some others the 5220 has a volume control and speakers (this box doesn't have either). Chris _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From stamann at jukebox-world.de Sun May 31 12:12:29 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Sun May 31 12:15:07 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox Message-ID: I guess it's model 5220A which does not have the speakers and the Golden bar feature: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Wurlitzer/Wurlitzer5220.htm Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Chris Ralph Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Mai 2009 20:46 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox Hi all, Can someone take a look at the following picture and tell me what model this wallbox is ? http://www.guestwho.com/juke/wallbox-1.jpg I was told it was a 5220, but according to some others the 5220 has a volume control and speakers (this box doesn't have either). Chris _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun May 31 20:29:35 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun May 31 20:32:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) Message-ID: <20090531.232935.28234.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Hello Julie: If you are still looking for a jukebox technician to come out your house to look at your Seeburg M100 B jukebox, rather than work on it yourself, the Jukebox Collector Magazine occasionally lists a national directory of independent jukebox technicians that are willing to provide service for others. There are 2 names listed for the state of WI. One is a company called Antique Electronics PH 920 434 3489. The one line ad says they are in Green Bay. The second company listed does not make house calls. You need to bring jukebox electronic components to them for service. Possibly if you phone them they may know of a good local tech that can assist you with in-home service. This company is PR Novelty in Milwaukee WI. PH 414 476 8474. Ask for Paul. The others on this forum that have given you advice about the overheating solenoid are correct. By the time you see/smell smoke it's usually too late to save the one that you have. But here's another dime's worth of advice that might prove helpful...... If you have a free play button installed on your juke, pressing the button should give you a certain number of play credits that count down, where the "select" light eventually turns off and the letter/number buttons are de-activated,until the free play button is pushed again. Maybe from your party, the "countdown" function is no longer working, which is leaving the "select" circuit energized fulltime, which then overheated the solenoid coil. Ask the servicer that you work with to be aware of this and to check it out. The countdown device is called the credit control unit and it is located on the wired selection receiver chassis, one of the 2 large chassis mounted on the back door of your jukebox. The add-on electronic device everybody is talking about here will do away with the free play button, the credit countdown unit, and worries about leaving the select solenoid on for too loong a time. This device will energize the keyboard whenever one letter/number is pushed, and unlatches after the second button gets pushed, which registers a selection. Hope this helps, JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRV4GVmIhusQrEGab6jiQ1Z9Ecmvjjg4uLIah15dNSmPnufXRAE/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun May 31 20:39:48 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun May 31 20:42:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox Message-ID: <20090531.233948.28234.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Hello Chris: The wallbox in your pix is the Wurl. 5220-A. Wurlitzer made several variations of this wallbox family. The 5220 is a 200-play model that came with speakers on top. The A-version did not have speakers. You could order the 5220 with or without the Golden Bar "top tunes" function. They also made a 100-play version of this wallbox (5225) with all the same choices. These wallboxes were introduced in 1965 with the 2900 family of jukeboxes and were offered until the last US Wurlitzer (model 3800) was made in 1974. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Free info for small business owners. Click here to find great products geared for your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWIQZ2gzvND9Yfov8oympfyhRJZASHdplKokDs3B4iuNrru41DK4Q/ From julie.mitchell at gmail.com Sun May 31 21:27:07 2009 From: julie.mitchell at gmail.com (Julie Mitchell) Date: Sun May 31 21:28:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) In-Reply-To: <20090531.232935.28234.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090531.232935.28234.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Jim! That's helpful info. I was able to exhaust all the credits this afternoon, so the countdown is working. I think what happened is that I racked up a bunch of credits in advance so that people wouldn't be asking me "how come I can't play any songs" every five minutes, and I had no idea this would damage the machine. This was my first party with this machine, and it went and embarrassed me by almost catching fire :( Anyway, I'm going to see if I can yank the box out of the thing and either send it to Ron or drive it out to PR Novelty. Thanks again, Julie On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Julie: > If you are still looking for a jukebox technician to come out your house to look at your Seeburg M100 B jukebox, rather than work on it yourself, the Jukebox Collector Magazine occasionally lists a national directory of independent jukebox technicians that are willing to provide service for others. ?There are 2 names listed for the state of WI. ? One is a company called Antique Electronics PH 920 434 3489. ? The one line ad says they are in Green Bay. > The second company listed does not make house calls. You need to bring jukebox electronic components to them for service. ? Possibly if you phone them they may know of ?a good local tech that can assist you with in-home service. ? This company is PR Novelty in Milwaukee WI. ?PH 414 476 8474. ?Ask for Paul. > The others on this forum that have given you advice about the overheating solenoid are correct. By the time you see/smell smoke it's usually too late to save the one that you have. ?But here's another dime's worth of advice that might prove helpful...... ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? If you have a free play button installed on your juke, pressing the button should give you a certain number of play credits that count down, where the "select" light eventually turns off and the letter/number buttons are de-activated,until the free play button is pushed again. ? ?Maybe from your party, the "countdown" function is no longer working, which is leaving the "select" circuit energized fulltime, which then overheated the solenoid coil. > Ask the servicer that you work with to be aware of this and to check it out. ?The countdown device is called the credit control unit and it is located on the wired selection receiver chassis, one of the 2 large chassis mounted on the back door of your jukebox. ? ? ?The add-on electronic device everybody is talking about here will do away with the free play button, the credit countdown unit, and worries about leaving the select solenoid on for too loong a time. ? This device will energize the keyboard whenever one letter/number is pushed, and unlatches after the second button gets pushed, which registers a selection. > Hope this helps, > JIm Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Get your dream car or truck. Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRV4GVmIhusQrEGab6jiQ1Z9Ecmvjjg4uLIah15dNSmPnufXRAE/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun May 31 21:28:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun May 31 21:30:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) Message-ID: <660161.6752.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, FYI, The "Free play adapter" (FPA) does NOT do away with the Credit & Cancel Unit ( CCU- or what you are calling the "credit countdown unit"), on the early Seeburg's. The CCU must be in series with the FPA, on these phonos, and the CCU needs to at least be able to function well enough to "remove" credits, and "write in" the selection. The FPA contains a timer circuit for the latch bar solenoid, which allows approx. 35 seconds for a selection to be made before removing power to the solenoid. Once any button is pressed, power is turned on for 35 seconds. If a second button is not pressed within that time frame, power is removed and the button will unlatch. If TWO buttons are pressed, the power is removed at the push of the second button ( as timed by the timing relay in the CCU), and the selection is made. The FPA's I use, also have a toggle switch, marked "Free" & "Coin". When switched to "coin", these units serve only to protect the solenoid, as outlined above. Coin function remains as original--depending only on how the CCU is set-up. When switched to "free", the unit enables the select lamp, and the credit (stored) function, without the use of coin(s).? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 5/31/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 8:29 PM Hello Julie: If you are still looking for a jukebox technician to come out your house to look at your Seeburg M100 B jukebox, rather than work on it yourself, the Jukebox Collector Magazine occasionally lists a national directory of independent jukebox technicians that are willing to provide service for others.? There are 2 names listed for the state of WI.???One is a company called Antique Electronics PH 920 434 3489.???The one line ad says they are in Green Bay. The second company listed does not make house calls. You need to bring jukebox electronic components to them for service.???Possibly if you phone them they may know of? a good local tech that can assist you with in-home service.???This company is PR Novelty in Milwaukee WI.? PH 414 476 8474.? Ask for Paul. The others on this forum that have given you advice about the overheating solenoid are correct. By the time you see/smell smoke it's usually too late to save the one that you have.? But here's another dime's worth of advice that might prove helpful......? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???If you have a free play button installed on your juke, pressing the button should give you a certain number of play credits that count down, where the "select" light eventually turns off and the letter/number buttons are de-activated,until the free play button is pushed again.? ? Maybe from your party, the "countdown" function is no longer working, which is leaving the "select" circuit energized fulltime, which then overheated the solenoid coil. Ask the servicer that you work with to be aware of this and to check it out.? The countdown device is called the credit control unit and it is located on the wired selection receiver chassis, one of the 2 large chassis mounted on the back door of your jukebox.? ? ? The add-on electronic device everybody is talking about here will do away with the free play button, the credit countdown unit, and worries about leaving the select solenoid on for too loong a time.???This device will energize the keyboard whenever one letter/number is pushed, and unlatches after the second button gets pushed, which registers a selection. Hope this helps, JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRV4GVmIhusQrEGab6jiQ1Z9Ecmvjjg4uLIah15dNSmPnufXRAE/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Sun May 31 21:41:16 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sun May 31 21:42:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox In-Reply-To: <20090531.233948.28234.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090531.233948.28234.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jim, that's great info. Is the 5220-A going to be compatible with my Wurlitzer 2600, using a 261B stepper ? Also, where does the power supply come from for these things ? Do I just need a 24VAC transformer ? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox Hello Chris: The wallbox in your pix is the Wurl. 5220-A. Wurlitzer made several variations of this wallbox family. The 5220 is a 200-play model that came with speakers on top. The A-version did not have speakers. You could order the 5220 with or without the Golden Bar "top tunes" function. They also made a 100-play version of this wallbox (5225) with all the same choices. These wallboxes were introduced in 1965 with the 2900 family of jukeboxes and were offered until the last US Wurlitzer (model 3800) was made in 1974. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Free info for small business owners. Click here to find great products geared for your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWIQZ2gzvND9Yfov8oympfyhRJZASHdplKokDs3B4iuNrru41DK4Q/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun May 31 22:06:09 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun May 31 22:09:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) Message-ID: <20090601.010609.23350.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Hello Ron: Thanks for the info. Apparently there are several versions of this circuit being offered, by yourself and others. The "solenoid saver" that I've seen, but never got deep into was distributed (made?) by a guy named Seymour Levitt. I believe he is somewhere in MO. That device required the Seeburg credit unit to be in place for the sdwiching to work but supposedly the CCU didn't "count down" with his device in place. I tried to use some non-tech. terms/descriptions for Julie as it appeared she was new to navigating her way thru a jukebox tech problem. Hope this wasn't confusing--just trying to help. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdjjBPT2I5TjCRj2AP2z4Cu9ZcwjVnAZ2xcuo616FV383mJcuUoq0/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun May 31 22:02:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun May 31 22:09:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fwd: Smoke test Message-ID: <739876.98708.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, In light of this subject being discussed, I wrote this several years ago. It's mostly true--embellished somewhat here and there-- The teller was real, but has since moved on? from the bank--oh, ya, to start making "real money" with her "old man" by starting a "pot farm" up north---Ron Rich >? ? ? ? I have a new theory on how "Electrick Stuff" >? works. This theory was called to my attention by > the >? teller at my local bank. I'm not sure what prompted >? our conversation, but she mentioned her idea that > all >? "Electrick Stuff" works on the fact that when these >? components "smoke" they are no longer any good. I > then >? remembered that many components are made in a room >? where the air is tightly controlled. I explained to >? her that the air was clean so that no "dirt" could >? contaminate the product. We? then went on to > speculate >? as to how the smoke would get into the products. It >? was my theory that just the right amount of >? "smoke" must be introduced into the product at the >? time it was? put into the heater for final > assembly, >? after all, everything I can think of is heated to > one >? degree or another. No ! , you say ? How about caps, >? you say. Yes ! I say. All caps have heat shrink on >? them---or a hot poured mylar--or how 'bout the > "paper" >? style--no heat here, you say. O.K., but they had to >? press the ends together--that's gotta cause some > heat, >? and, besides, those were made in the old days when >? they used a fireplace to heat the room. Maybe they >? blew just the correct amount of smoke into those >? things--how else would they be able to control the >? amount of microfarad's they put into them? > >? ? ? ? Anyway all this discussion lead to the "smoke >? test" discussion. Somehow I began to explain >? that some people in my business would occasionally > put >? an over sized fuse in a circuit, and apply power, > in >? the effort to find the problem in that circuit. She >? asked "whats that ? I asked "what's what"? She said >? "over sized fuse"? I said "any fuse that is larger >? then the circuit is designed to have". She said > "--it >? won't fit if it's too big". I said "no, I mean >? electrically too large". She contended that if the >? fuse would fit into the holder, it MUST be the > right size. > >? ? ? Fortunately for me, another customer entered >? the bank about this time, and even more > fortunately, >? he stepped up behind me. I said "good by" and left > the >? bank, as fast as I could. > >? ? ? ? But, I have been thinking' this whole weekend >? about that conversation--and you know, the more I >? think about it, the "righter" it seems! The "smoke >? test" is sure based on this theory!? I mean, why > else >? would this test work? There must be some smoke > inside >? of every electronic component!? I can't think of > one >? type of component that I have not seen in a > "burned" >? condition. And I think that "Murphy's Law" may also >? apply here. Why else would it work fine in the shop >? (with the big fuse in it), and then "smoke" when > the >? customer gets it (with the big fuse in it that you >? forgot to change )? > >? ? ? ? This all leads to this conclusion (bet you > are >? glad to see that, after having read this far!). > >???ALL "LETRICK STUFF" OPERATES ON SMOKE.? ONCE YOU >? LET THE SMOKE ESCAPE, THE "STUFF" (or whatever you >? want to call it) AIN'T NO MORE GOOD !!! > >? ? >???Ron Rich From julie.mitchell at gmail.com Sun May 31 22:13:54 2009 From: julie.mitchell at gmail.com (Julie Mitchell) Date: Sun May 31 22:15:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) In-Reply-To: <20090601.010609.23350.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090601.010609.23350.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Hey, I can handle some tech terms !! :) I have had a another Wurlitzer for about five years, but this Seeburg is new (to me) and I haven't had to work on it before. Anyway, thanks as always for all the great advice on the board. Ron, I will see if I can follow your instructions for pulling the selector box out, in which case I will write to you for an address where I can send your way. -Julie On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:06 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Ron: > Thanks for the info. Apparently there are several versions of this circuit being offered, by yourself and others. ? ?The "solenoid saver" that I've seen, but never ?got deep into was distributed (made?) by a guy named Seymour Levitt. ? I believe he is somewhere in MO. ?That device required the Seeburg credit unit to be in place for the sdwiching to work but supposedly the CCU didn't "count down" with his device in place. > I tried to use some non-tech. terms/descriptions for Julie as it appeared she was new to navigating her way thru a jukebox tech problem. ?Hope this wasn't confusing--just trying to help. > JIm Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdjjBPT2I5TjCRj2AP2z4Cu9ZcwjVnAZ2xcuo616FV383mJcuUoq0/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Sun May 31 21:39:43 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun May 31 22:31:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A235B8F.9070102@telus.net> Julie Mitchell wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a beautiful M100A that I bought about a year ago, and it's > working nicely except for one little problem. There seems to be some > overheating and occasionally smoke coming out of the area where the > wiring harness goes into the selection box in the front. It has the > odor of burnt paper. I was unable to figure anything much out, and I > do better with mech stuff than electrical anyway. > > Anyone nearby Madison WI and want to come have a look? I called the > one person I knew in the area who worked on Seeburgs, and sadly he > passed away last year. I had a nice chat with his partner, and she > has a Trashcan and M100C that need a look, too, so if you are in the > area know Seeburgs, please give me a buzz. > > I have all the front glass and the animation kit out right now. If > you can do this soon, I'll leave it that way and save you some hassle. > > -Julie > > PS: I live three blocks from the Farmer's Market and will give you > free parking for the day. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Hi Julie, While I know of no one in Madison, WI, it is possible that if you check in your local Yellow Pages under VENDING or AMUSEMENT PLACES you may find someone that knows a local technician. I also run a page on my web site that lists various repair people, but I do not see that state covered at all: http://flippers.com/jukebox_service.html Now if you still can't find a technician, check with folks that repair car wiring or install speakers etc. They often would have the knowledge IF you had a service manual for your machine to assist you. Or -if you are interested - people here are very helpful and you would not be the first woman to learn how to fix her jukebox - just look up Jackie's postings over the past couple of years. She started out knowing nothing and is now collecting that machines and fixing them herself. No reason why not, my daughter could easily learn to fix jukes with a bit of help - if she had the interest...my son, on the other hand, is not mechanical at all. Now your particular problem - as mentioned - is related to the free play and a device called the Latch Bar Solenoid. This is what is likely to be smoking as it is not meant to be energized for long periods of time. In most cases you can simply cut a wire to disconnect the solenoid (you need to learn which wire, I'm not telling you yet...) and then you can make selections by first putting free plays on, then pressing and holding BOTH a letter and a number button at the same time. You see with the latch bar solenoid disconnected the keys won't latch any more. If this is starting to make sense welcome to the club of home fixers of jukeboxes! John :-#)# PS, my shop fixes and sells jukeboxes (etc.) for a living as do a few others here, but we are all here to help each other - for questions posted on this list. -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun May 31 22:53:52 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun May 31 22:57:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox Message-ID: <20090601.015352.1769.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hi: You are asking some good tech. questions that I don't have all the immediate answers for, but I'll be glad to research it for you and get back to you. Here are a few basic factoids---If anyone else can assist here,please chime in. To get you accurate answers, I'll need to pull it up out if a paper library file. You happened to pose your question on a day when I had all the 2900 info. pulled out for a service job earlier today. The 5220 family of wallboxes was brought out in 1965 along with Wurl. 2900 series of jukes that year. For the 2600 series of 1962, the model 5250 wallbox was the 200-select model that was offered that year. It was necessary to purchase an optional stepper switch unit in order to interface a wallbox with the jukebox. This is needed for either the 2600 or the 2900. The stepper unit has an onboard power supply capable of supplying enough amperage to power up to 4 wallboxes. If you are connecting only one wallbox,this is all you'll need. For bigger commercial installations, additional power supply units are needed, 1 for every four addt'l wallboxes. The 261B is the correct stepper to use with the 5220 wallbox and a 200-play 2900 or newer jukebox. Both the older 5250 and 5220 wallbox families used the letter-number selection system. At the moment, I'm not sure whether the switching sequence was the same or if it differed on these models. If the sequence is the same there's a good possibility that the newer wallbox will communicate correctly with your 2600. Wurlitzer wallbox/stepper/jukebox compatibility are usually shown in operational schematics in the service manuals as footnotes or on separate service bulletins that were mailed out to Wurlitzer distributors and servicers back in the day. Most of this bulletin info hasn't been republished by the companies that print the replicated serv. manuals, so it's something of a paper chase to find it all. I'm not complaining, just explaining. I'll probably have a good answer to your question in a day or so. Hope this helps. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save on Pest Control. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTYlQRnUZNB4AHBfKYsQ1808gvNyzjX189gTBbc19rC38uvbOiZeo/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun May 31 23:04:38 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun May 31 23:08:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fwd: Smoke test Message-ID: <20090601.020438.1769.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> I think I grasp your concept-----use a fast-acting transformer in order to protect a slo-blo fuse? Just for grins, there was somebody on E Bay about a month ago selling misc. junk jukebox parts. He had some "genuine" Seeburg blown GMQ-type fuses. Wonder if he had any takers? JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Grow your small business with email marketing. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRNwyoWSSHVj0LeCvdTIAZKYDYAZMVn1s0voTIi8jgz6a8wseSuvW/ From webmaster at guestwho.com Sun May 31 23:13:27 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sun May 31 23:15:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox In-Reply-To: <20090601.015352.1769.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090601.015352.1769.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <293087B696324F7FA54F5ACD949A4259@CHRISLAPTOP> Thanks Jim, appreciate your paper trail. I already have a stepper, which is a model 261B. This is one of two models they show in the service manual as being compatible, so stepper to jukebox compatibility is ok. You said this stepper was definately compatibile with the 5220 wallbox also ? I did not know the stepper was meant to supply power to the wallbox, I thought its only job was to handle the selections. One more question - the stepper has four large plugs which I presume connect the chassis sockets labelled "stepper", but I'm not sure where the smaller plug with like 5 pins on it goes. It looks like it has a longer cord than the rest. What is this plug for? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox Hi: You are asking some good tech. questions that I don't have all the immediate answers for, but I'll be glad to research it for you and get back to you. Here are a few basic factoids---If anyone else can assist here,please chime in. To get you accurate answers, I'll need to pull it up out if a paper library file. You happened to pose your question on a day when I had all the 2900 info. pulled out for a service job earlier today. The 5220 family of wallboxes was brought out in 1965 along with Wurl. 2900 series of jukes that year. For the 2600 series of 1962, the model 5250 wallbox was the 200-select model that was offered that year. It was necessary to purchase an optional stepper switch unit in order to interface a wallbox with the jukebox. This is needed for either the 2600 or the 2900. The stepper unit has an onboard power supply capable of supplying enough amperage to power up to 4 wallboxes. If you are connecting only one wallbox,this is all you'll need. For bigger commercial installations, additional power supply units are needed, 1 for every four addt'l wallboxes. The 261B is the correct stepper to use with the 5220 wallbox and a 200-play 2900 or newer jukebox. Both the older 5250 and 5220 wallbox families used the letter-number selection system. At the moment, I'm not sure whether the switching sequence was the same or if it differed on these models. If the sequence is the same there's a good possibility that the newer wallbox will communicate correctly with your 2600. Wurlitzer wallbox/stepper/jukebox compatibility are usually shown in operational schematics in the service manuals as footnotes or on separate service bulletins that were mailed out to Wurlitzer distributors and servicers back in the day. Most of this bulletin info hasn't been republished by the companies that print the replicated serv. manuals, so it's something of a paper chase to find it all. I'm not complaining, just explaining. I'll probably have a good answer to your question in a day or so. Hope this helps. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save on Pest Control. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTYlQRnUZNB4AHBfKYsQ1808gvNyzjX189gTBbc19rC38uvbOiZeo/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun May 31 23:23:16 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun May 31 23:26:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) Message-ID: <20090601.022316.1769.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello Julie: This is the first post I've seen from you. Again, just trying to help. Because you were seeking a service tech in WI, I assumed this was a new experience for you. As a jukebox tech, I've often run across situations where people have tried to unsuccessfully troubleshoot/repair their own machines at home where they didn't have the capability/wherewithall to do so. Usually it was out of desperation because they couldn't find a tech willing to help them. I'm sure other techs on this site have been in similar situations. Oh, the stories you could tell......... JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9DnZJlQ0e5OFKskJI6S8CJK6klcO1R59lHylDy3AcH6rDFCwCk/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun May 31 23:44:38 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun May 31 23:47:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help identify a Wurlitzer wallbox Message-ID: <20090601.024438.1769.3@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Chris: To answer your question, I looked at the following sources of info, that I had pulled out because I was servicing a 2910 jukebox on Sunday. In the 2900 manual, there is a stepper compatibility diagram on the 2900 foldout "functional schematic" page in the manual. Also,stuffed in my 2900 manual, I have an old 2 page original service bulletin that states the 261B is the 200-play stepper model to be sold with the 2900 and newer jukes. There are 6 wallbox models within the 5220 family. (100-play,200-play, with,without spkrs, Top tunes, LP pricing,etc.) I saw a Wurl. marketing (sales page) bulletin for the 2600 that states the 5250 is the wallbox being sold that year. Apparently you have a 2600 manual where the 261B is also used? On the surface, it sounds like a combination that should be compatible. I wanted to check it out on paper myself before I told you it could work.... Sometimes the juke manufacturers changed the switching sequences in wallboxes,possibly as a marketing schtick, so that they would not be backwards-compatible to the older models. This happened a lot in the early 60's for some reason. 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