From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Mar 1 01:35:47 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Mar 1 01:37:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? In-Reply-To: <49A9A753.3080107@west.net> References: <197076.75543.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49A9A753.3080107@west.net> Message-ID: <002701c99a51$1a693220$4f3b9660$@force9.co.uk> On the JAN and JBM Tropicana, the buttons were removed and you had a chrome filler that was bolted underneath, where the buttons would be. So the actual buttons no longer used were removed completely. Then, where the title strips went, you had sticky decorative plates to cover the missing gaps. Tha carousel had balance weights added to it to keep the balance of the missing records, and the 'missing record' trip switch was fitted in case a wallbox and jukebox selection came simultaneously and accidentally selected the blank slot. I have the manual for converting these at home and it actually says that in the manual. You could go from 200 to 150 to 100 selections if you liked, and cosmetically the machine still looked 'right'. BUT.... on the Rowes, all the buttons are next to eachother, not in separate cutouts. I would have thought for a production of 20 of this Wurlitzer, they would have just 'blanked' the redundant button holes off, and not made a complete new panel. Incidentally I heard a story of some 1050s going to New Orleans with the upright Wurlitzer mech in. Something in me says there's probably a bit of an urban myth here ;-) Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: 28 February 2009 21:06 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sat, 2/28/09, John Travelletti wrote: > >> On the JAN, how would you disable the selections for the >> title strips that were removed? > > I don't think you can (it's been years since I've poked around > in mine because it's awaiting an amp rebuild and general going- > over), but if the customer selects an empty slot, you'd think > it would only be by mistake, There really wouldn't be any cause > for the customer to select a letter and number combination that > didn't correspond to a selection he wanted to hear. This machine > did have the ability to detect no record on the turntable and > would just cycle back to the scan position in that case. One could put a block or spacer under the unused buttons to keep them from being depressed. (No, not to make them happy buttons, but to keep people from pushing them.) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 08:19:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Mar 1 08:20:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? In-Reply-To: <002701c99a51$1a693220$4f3b9660$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <807579.13708.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nigle, What's an "upright Wurlitzer mechanism" ? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 1:35 AM On the JAN and JBM Tropicana, the buttons were removed and you had a chrome filler that was bolted underneath, where the buttons would be. So the actual buttons no longer used were removed completely. Then, where the title strips went, you had sticky decorative plates to cover the missing gaps. Tha carousel had balance weights added to it to keep the balance of the missing records, and the 'missing record' trip switch was fitted in case a wallbox and jukebox selection came simultaneously and accidentally selected the blank slot. I have the manual for converting these at home and it actually says that in the manual. You could go from 200 to 150 to 100 selections if you liked, and cosmetically the machine still looked 'right'. BUT.... on the Rowes, all the buttons are next to eachother, not in separate cutouts. I would have thought for a production of 20 of this Wurlitzer, they would have just 'blanked' the redundant button holes off, and not made a complete new panel. Incidentally I heard a story of some 1050s going to New Orleans with the upright Wurlitzer mech in. Something in me says there's probably a bit of an urban myth here ;-) Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: 28 February 2009 21:06 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sat, 2/28/09, John Travelletti wrote: > >> On the JAN, how would you disable the selections for the >> title strips that were removed? > > I don't think you can (it's been years since I've poked around > in mine because it's awaiting an amp rebuild and general going- > over), but if the customer selects an empty slot, you'd think > it would only be by mistake, There really wouldn't be any cause > for the customer to select a letter and number combination that > didn't correspond to a selection he wanted to hear. This machine > did have the ability to detect no record on the turntable and > would just cycle back to the scan position in that case. One could put a block or spacer under the unused buttons to keep them from being depressed. (No, not to make them happy buttons, but to keep people from pushing them.) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Mar 1 08:41:04 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Mar 1 08:42:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? In-Reply-To: <807579.13708.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <002701c99a51$1a693220$4f3b9660$@force9.co.uk> <807579.13708.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004a01c99a8c$83294a30$897bde90$@force9.co.uk> Hi Ron, I meant the vertical play mech (early Americana style) , as opposed to the 'wWrlamatic' mech in the 1050's. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 01 March 2009 16:20 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? Nigle, What's an "upright Wurlitzer mechanism" ? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 1:35 AM On the JAN and JBM Tropicana, the buttons were removed and you had a chrome filler that was bolted underneath, where the buttons would be. So the actual buttons no longer used were removed completely. Then, where the title strips went, you had sticky decorative plates to cover the missing gaps. Tha carousel had balance weights added to it to keep the balance of the missing records, and the 'missing record' trip switch was fitted in case a wallbox and jukebox selection came simultaneously and accidentally selected the blank slot. I have the manual for converting these at home and it actually says that in the manual. You could go from 200 to 150 to 100 selections if you liked, and cosmetically the machine still looked 'right'. BUT.... on the Rowes, all the buttons are next to eachother, not in separate cutouts. I would have thought for a production of 20 of this Wurlitzer, they would have just 'blanked' the redundant button holes off, and not made a complete new panel. Incidentally I heard a story of some 1050s going to New Orleans with the upright Wurlitzer mech in. Something in me says there's probably a bit of an urban myth here ;-) Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: 28 February 2009 21:06 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sat, 2/28/09, John Travelletti wrote: > >> On the JAN, how would you disable the selections for the >> title strips that were removed? > > I don't think you can (it's been years since I've poked around > in mine because it's awaiting an amp rebuild and general going- > over), but if the customer selects an empty slot, you'd think > it would only be by mistake, There really wouldn't be any cause > for the customer to select a letter and number combination that > didn't correspond to a selection he wanted to hear. This machine > did have the ability to detect no record on the turntable and > would just cycle back to the scan position in that case. One could put a block or spacer under the unused buttons to keep them from being depressed. (No, not to make them happy buttons, but to keep people from pushing them.) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 08:54:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Mar 1 08:55:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? In-Reply-To: <004a01c99a8c$83294a30$897bde90$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <555812.2129.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nigel, OK--I understand now--I have never seen one in a 1050, but, I'm no where near LA either. Could be that they had a few "left-over" old style?50 record mechs? ?Ron Rich --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 8:41 AM Hi Ron, I meant the vertical play mech (early Americana style) , as opposed to the 'wWrlamatic' mech in the 1050's. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 01 March 2009 16:20 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? Nigle, What's an "upright Wurlitzer mechanism" ? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 1:35 AM On the JAN and JBM Tropicana, the buttons were removed and you had a chrome filler that was bolted underneath, where the buttons would be. So the actual buttons no longer used were removed completely. Then, where the title strips went, you had sticky decorative plates to cover the missing gaps. Tha carousel had balance weights added to it to keep the balance of the missing records, and the 'missing record' trip switch was fitted in case a wallbox and jukebox selection came simultaneously and accidentally selected the blank slot. I have the manual for converting these at home and it actually says that in the manual. You could go from 200 to 150 to 100 selections if you liked, and cosmetically the machine still looked 'right'. BUT.... on the Rowes, all the buttons are next to eachother, not in separate cutouts. I would have thought for a production of 20 of this Wurlitzer, they would have just 'blanked' the redundant button holes off, and not made a complete new panel. Incidentally I heard a story of some 1050s going to New Orleans with the upright Wurlitzer mech in. Something in me says there's probably a bit of an urban myth here ;-) Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: 28 February 2009 21:06 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sat, 2/28/09, John Travelletti wrote: > >> On the JAN, how would you disable the selections for the >> title strips that were removed? > > I don't think you can (it's been years since I've poked around > in mine because it's awaiting an amp rebuild and general going- > over), but if the customer selects an empty slot, you'd think > it would only be by mistake, There really wouldn't be any cause > for the customer to select a letter and number combination that > didn't correspond to a selection he wanted to hear. This machine > did have the ability to detect no record on the turntable and > would just cycle back to the scan position in that case. One could put a block or spacer under the unused buttons to keep them from being depressed. (No, not to make them happy buttons, but to keep people from pushing them.) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From digital.john at btopenworld.com Sun Mar 1 09:24:42 2009 From: digital.john at btopenworld.com (digital.john@btopenworld.com) Date: Sun Mar 1 09:25:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 434 Message-ID: <641210.39214.qm@web86610.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Thanks for everyones help on my question last month. To update everyone my Rock-Ola 434 on 240v made for the u.k market has a power cable coloured red, black and white. Now that I have traced it in to the machine all the connections make it look like it's the original cable. Anyway ?it turns out red is earth, black is live and white is neutral. John? From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Mar 1 10:05:40 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Mar 1 10:06:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? In-Reply-To: <555812.2129.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <004a01c99a8c$83294a30$897bde90$@force9.co.uk> <555812.2129.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004e01c99a98$55029970$ff07cc50$@force9.co.uk> Hi Ron, Yep, could be possible I suppose. It wouldn't look too out of place in there either. I'm sure that sort of thing must have been done. I think the most commercial example must have been the late Rock-Ola Princesses. They were A/B style selections when Rock-Ola were just about to introduce the 477 Max. Had the analog record playing wheel, and the front chrome badge off a GP160! I'm sure they were using up all the spare parts they had lying around. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 01 March 2009 16:55 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? Nigel, OK--I understand now--I have never seen one in a 1050, but, I'm no where near LA either. Could be that they had a few "left-over" old style?50 record mechs? ?Ron Rich --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 8:41 AM Hi Ron, I meant the vertical play mech (early Americana style) , as opposed to the 'wWrlamatic' mech in the 1050's. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 01 March 2009 16:20 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? Nigle, What's an "upright Wurlitzer mechanism" ? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 1:35 AM On the JAN and JBM Tropicana, the buttons were removed and you had a chrome filler that was bolted underneath, where the buttons would be. So the actual buttons no longer used were removed completely. Then, where the title strips went, you had sticky decorative plates to cover the missing gaps. Tha carousel had balance weights added to it to keep the balance of the missing records, and the 'missing record' trip switch was fitted in case a wallbox and jukebox selection came simultaneously and accidentally selected the blank slot. I have the manual for converting these at home and it actually says that in the manual. You could go from 200 to 150 to 100 selections if you liked, and cosmetically the machine still looked 'right'. BUT.... on the Rowes, all the buttons are next to eachother, not in separate cutouts. I would have thought for a production of 20 of this Wurlitzer, they would have just 'blanked' the redundant button holes off, and not made a complete new panel. Incidentally I heard a story of some 1050s going to New Orleans with the upright Wurlitzer mech in. Something in me says there's probably a bit of an urban myth here ;-) Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: 28 February 2009 21:06 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sat, 2/28/09, John Travelletti wrote: > >> On the JAN, how would you disable the selections for the >> title strips that were removed? > > I don't think you can (it's been years since I've poked around > in mine because it's awaiting an amp rebuild and general going- > over), but if the customer selects an empty slot, you'd think > it would only be by mistake, There really wouldn't be any cause > for the customer to select a letter and number combination that > didn't correspond to a selection he wanted to hear. This machine > did have the ability to detect no record on the turntable and > would just cycle back to the scan position in that case. One could put a block or spacer under the unused buttons to keep them from being depressed. (No, not to make them happy buttons, but to keep people from pushing them.) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 10:15:59 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Sun Mar 1 10:17:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 434 In-Reply-To: <641210.39214.qm@web86610.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <641210.39214.qm@web86610.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690903011015n404851f1v2c23995b5dc495eb@mail.gmail.com> Assembled by Nova in Hamburg? Most of the early Rockolas in Sweden came from Nova. Did Rockola have other assembly plants in Europe? There was a shortlived one in Denmark, making only the 1959 Tempo models. ID plate should tell the story. Jens On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:24 PM, wrote: > Thanks for everyones help on my question last month. To update everyone my > Rock-Ola 434 > on 240v made for the u.k market has a power cable coloured red, black and > white. Now that I > have traced it in to the machine all the connections make it look like it's > the original cable. Anyway > it turns out red is earth, black is live and white is neutral. John > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From maddleso at gmu.edu Sun Mar 1 12:15:21 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Sun Mar 1 12:16:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Purchasing a Seeburg R for restoration: warnings or advice? In-Reply-To: <20090227200003.C49E3AAF53@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090227200003.C49E3AAF53@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: For a long time I've wanted to work on a Seeburg. Now I have an opportunity to buy an "R" for restoration at a price which seems reasonable. I should add that this is a big step in my life: the sort of thing I do about every 15 years (which probably means I don't have many of these big steps left)! Experience: I cut my teeth on an AMI J manual which I built/restored from the ground up from two hulks (in those days the only help was in a photocopied manual). It's my pride and joy. I've also done quite a lot of work on my '63 German Wurlitzer Lyric. Seeburgs have the 'other' mechanism, which is why I'm so interested in rebuilding/owning one. I wondered whether you had any advice or warnings about the 'R'. Status report: I've looked it over and it seems to be all there, in original condition, although it isn't working. Cosmetically it's not bad. There's no rust on the hammered-finished back, though someone painted the side panels and the three glass panels in the middle are missing. The chrome is passable. The plastic mech. cover isn't cracked but the front panel of the cover is messy. Inside, everything looks pretty good and complete. I see no evidence of rust nor of moisture having got in. The amp has all its tubes, etc... In fact, except for dust, it all looks quite pretty. A plus for me is that the owner is quite close (N.VA) and will deliver it. Request: Given the wealth of experience of the main contributors to this list, I thought I'd check to see whether you knew of major pitfalls that ought to discourage me from buying this model and also advice on definitive sources of information like CDs/DVDs that go beyond an AMR manual? I'd appreciate any advice you can give. Thank you. Mark From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sun Mar 1 12:30:22 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sun Mar 1 12:31:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Purchasing a Seeburg R for restoration: warnings or advice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <541837.95918.qm@web111506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Simply put. Buy it. Its the only Seeburg to use 5 speakers. There is no down side to having an R.. Infact I own one and love it. ? Regards, Tony --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Mark Addleson wrote: From: Mark Addleson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Purchasing a Seeburg R for restoration: warnings or advice? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 3:15 PM For a long time I've wanted to work on a Seeburg. Now I have an opportunity to buy an "R" for restoration at a price which seems reasonable. I should add that this is a big step in my life: the sort of thing I do about every 15 years (which probably means I don't have many of these big steps left)! Experience: I cut my teeth on an AMI J manual which I built/restored from the ground up from two hulks (in those days the only help was in a photocopied manual). It's my pride and joy. I've also done quite a lot of work on my '63 German Wurlitzer Lyric. Seeburgs have the 'other' mechanism, which is why I'm so interested in rebuilding/owning one. I wondered whether you had any advice or warnings about the 'R'. Status report: I've looked it over and it seems to be all there, in original condition, although it isn't working. Cosmetically it's not bad. There's no rust on the hammered-finished back, though someone painted the side panels and the three glass panels in the middle are missing. The chrome is passable. The plastic mech. cover isn't cracked but the front panel of the cover is messy. Inside, everything looks pretty good and complete. I see no evidence of rust nor of moisture having got in. The amp has all its tubes, etc... In fact, except for dust, it all looks quite pretty. A plus for me is that the owner is quite close (N.VA) and will deliver it. Request: Given the wealth of experience of the main contributors to this list, I thought I'd check to see whether you knew of major pitfalls that ought to discourage me from buying this model and also advice on definitive sources of information like CDs/DVDs that go beyond an AMR manual? I'd appreciate any advice you can give. Thank you. Mark _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 12:54:03 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Mar 1 12:56:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Purchasing a Seeburg R for restoration: warnings or advice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <283312.74427.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mark, Go4it!! ?Enjoy, Glad to see that you plan on getting the "AR" manuals---?I might suggest that my "Seeburg Mechanism Guide" should be helpful--but remember, I wrote it ( others have told me it helped ,and I hope so !).? If you want to purchase a copy directly from me, contact me off list at ronnnrich@yahoo.com . Ron Rich --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Mark Addleson wrote: From: Mark Addleson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Purchasing a Seeburg R for restoration: warnings or advice? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 12:15 PM For a long time I've wanted to work on a Seeburg. Now I have an opportunity to buy an "R" for restoration at a price which seems reasonable. I should add that this is a big step in my life: the sort of thing I do about every 15 years (which probably means I don't have many of these big steps left)! Experience: I cut my teeth on an AMI J manual which I built/restored from the ground up from two hulks (in those days the only help was in a photocopied manual). It's my pride and joy. I've also done quite a lot of work on my '63 German Wurlitzer Lyric. Seeburgs have the 'other' mechanism, which is why I'm so interested in rebuilding/owning one. I wondered whether you had any advice or warnings about the 'R'. Status report: I've looked it over and it seems to be all there, in original condition, although it isn't working. Cosmetically it's not bad. There's no rust on the hammered-finished back, though someone painted the side panels and the three glass panels in the middle are missing. The chrome is passable. The plastic mech. cover isn't cracked but the front panel of the cover is messy. Inside, everything looks pretty good and complete. I see no evidence of rust nor of moisture having got in. The amp has all its tubes, etc... In fact, except for dust, it all looks quite pretty. A plus for me is that the owner is quite close (N.VA) and will deliver it. Request: Given the wealth of experience of the main contributors to this list, I thought I'd check to see whether you knew of major pitfalls that ought to discourage me from buying this model and also advice on definitive sources of information like CDs/DVDs that go beyond an AMR manual? I'd appreciate any advice you can give. Thank you. Mark _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Mar 1 14:03:29 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Mar 1 14:06:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Purchasing a Seeburg R for restoration: warnings or advice? Message-ID: <20090301.170329.23837.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Hello Mark: A '54 Seeburg HF100R is considered to be one of the most desirable and collectable of all the 50's-era 100-play Seeburgs. This unit is relatively straightforward to work on. Due to it's collector popularity, there are quite a few aftermarket parts fabricators that offer parts replacements for the R. Chances are, with the economy being what it is, you can score this for a good price right now. As things improve, the asking price for an R will only go up. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bmTnFDBeb4hxgElI1BNangV2IX3prfizTtkoSabfmq2xH6e512/ From jay at west.net Sun Mar 1 18:15:10 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Mar 1 18:15:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Purchasing a Seeburg R for restoration: warnings or advice? In-Reply-To: References: <20090227200003.C49E3AAF53@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <49AB412E.80906@west.net> Mark Addleson wrote: > Status report: I've looked it over and it seems to be all there, in original > condition, although it isn't working. Cosmetically it's not bad. There's no > rust on the hammered-finished back, though someone painted the side panels > and the three glass panels in the middle are missing. The chrome is > passable. The plastic mech. cover isn't cracked but the front panel of the > cover is messy. Inside, everything looks pretty good and complete. I see > no evidence of rust nor of moisture having got in. The amp has all its > tubes, etc... In fact, except for dust, it all looks quite pretty. A plus > for me is that the owner is quite close (N.VA) and will deliver it. I've restored two. Pretty straightforward to do. Be careful not to damage the fluted aluminum back bandshell during transport. Either remove the mech or make sure the shipping bolts are snug. > Request: Given the wealth of experience of the main contributors to this > list, I thought I'd check to see whether you knew of major pitfalls that > ought to discourage me from buying this model and also advice on definitive > sources of information like CDs/DVDs that go beyond an AMR manual? Definitely go for it. If you can save the mech cover emblem it is wise to do so as the reproduction units aren't up to snuff and decent originals are expensive and hard to find. These seemed to be made in two styles, or perhaps some were early repros. On both of my samples the emblem was stuck to the cover with a blob of tar-like glue. I've seen pictures of some that appear to have screws in the corners but have never seen that style in person. The emblems are cast of clear plastic and the back side is painted. On both of mine the paint was in perfect shape with the exception of the silver border that was flaking off. I restored them as follows, and they came out very well. 1. Use dental floss with a sawing motion to cut through the tar-glue to remove the emblem from the mech cover. This may take a while. Don't pry on the emblem, you don't want to crack it. 2. Carefully remove any remaining silver paint from the back border of the emblem. I used Q-tips and a wooden "spudger" stick for the tough spots, a Popsicle stick should work as well. Clean gently with mineral spirits being careful not to damage the paint on the rest of the emblem. 3. Get a can of Krylon "Looking Glass" reflective paint. Mask the front and sides of the emblem leaving just the back exposed. Apply several light dusting coats of the "Looking Glass" paint to the back of the emblem. 4. When the paint is dry, re-attach the emblem to the front of the mech cover with a couple of blobs of silicone sealant applied to the tar-covered area. Try not to get the silicone directly on the back-painted area, just to the tar. For the screw-on type of cover just re-attach with the screws. I used thin Formica to re-do the sides and bottom front. I heat-formed the bends at the front corners. Since then, someone is selling pre-cut kits of the same material but I don't know how they handle the rounded corners. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From recordhound at verizon.net Sun Mar 1 18:03:03 2009 From: recordhound at verizon.net (Jimmy Day) Date: Sun Mar 1 19:05:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Varco Cartridge Message-ID: <98C3BC3E01B4484CB6C41277495C56F9@screwylo> My Seeburg Library has one of the retro-fit cartridges, it is a Varco TOH46. I think it needs needles; then again, when it does track, it sounds very good, but since I bought this unit used, one never knows just how many plays are on the existing needles. This looks to be, basically, a turnover cartridge, one side red, one side black. It has a weight attached to the end for counterbalance. It uses the forked needles. There was a little strip of adhesive foil covering the Varco model number. A web search turned up a bit of info that I am wondering about - apparently this is a high-output (3 volt) cartridge? Recommended tracking 8 grams? And I don't even know if it is stereo-compatible. It has the standard 2-pin connector. Is it worth getting needles or should I swap out the tonearm? I will pull the amp and see what kind of modification has been made. The seller told be it had been "rebuilt" by a local jukebox person who's name I recognized and does enjoy a good reputation. Still looking for more of these Rec-O-Dance records too! *jimmy day From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 19:18:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Mar 1 19:19:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Purchasing a Seeburg R for restoration: warnings or advice? In-Reply-To: <49AB412E.80906@west.net> Message-ID: <608765.24113.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ay, The "screw-on" were late production, as the "tar" made a mess, especially if it sat on the back of an operators pick-up truck, in the sun (NO-Do? NOT axk!)--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Purchasing a Seeburg R for restoration: warnings or advice? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 6:15 PM Mark Addleson wrote: > Status report: I've looked it over and it seems to be all there, in original > condition, although it isn't working. Cosmetically it's not bad. There's no > rust on the hammered-finished back, though someone painted the side panels > and the three glass panels in the middle are missing. The chrome is > passable. The plastic mech. cover isn't cracked but the front panel of the > cover is messy. Inside, everything looks pretty good and complete. I see > no evidence of rust nor of moisture having got in. The amp has all its > tubes, etc... In fact, except for dust, it all looks quite pretty. A plus > for me is that the owner is quite close (N.VA) and will deliver it. I've restored two. Pretty straightforward to do. Be careful not to damage the fluted aluminum back bandshell during transport. Either remove the mech or make sure the shipping bolts are snug. > Request: Given the wealth of experience of the main contributors to this > list, I thought I'd check to see whether you knew of major pitfalls that > ought to discourage me from buying this model and also advice on definitive > sources of information like CDs/DVDs that go beyond an AMR manual? Definitely go for it. If you can save the mech cover emblem it is wise to do so as the reproduction units aren't up to snuff and decent originals are expensive and hard to find. These seemed to be made in two styles, or perhaps some were early repros. On both of my samples the emblem was stuck to the cover with a blob of tar-like glue. I've seen pictures of some that appear to have screws in the corners but have never seen that style in person. The emblems are cast of clear plastic and the back side is painted. On both of mine the paint was in perfect shape with the exception of the silver border that was flaking off. I restored them as follows, and they came out very well. 1. Use dental floss with a sawing motion to cut through the tar-glue to remove the emblem from the mech cover. This may take a while. Don't pry on the emblem, you don't want to crack it. 2. Carefully remove any remaining silver paint from the back border of the emblem. I used Q-tips and a wooden "spudger" stick for the tough spots, a Popsicle stick should work as well. Clean gently with mineral spirits being careful not to damage the paint on the rest of the emblem. 3. Get a can of Krylon "Looking Glass" reflective paint. Mask the front and sides of the emblem leaving just the back exposed. Apply several light dusting coats of the "Looking Glass" paint to the back of the emblem. 4. When the paint is dry, re-attach the emblem to the front of the mech cover with a couple of blobs of silicone sealant applied to the tar-covered area. Try not to get the silicone directly on the back-painted area, just to the tar. For the screw-on type of cover just re-attach with the screws. I used thin Formica to re-do the sides and bottom front. I heat-formed the bends at the front corners. Since then, someone is selling pre-cut kits of the same material but I don't know how they handle the rounded corners. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Mar 1 19:26:01 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Mar 1 19:27:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Varco Cartridge In-Reply-To: <98C3BC3E01B4484CB6C41277495C56F9@screwylo> References: <98C3BC3E01B4484CB6C41277495C56F9@screwylo> Message-ID: <49AB51C9.3010108@west.net> Jimmy Day wrote: > My Seeburg Library has one of the retro-fit cartridges, it is a Varco > TOH46. I think it needs needles; then again, when it does track, it > sounds very good, but since I bought this unit used, one never knows > just how many plays are on the existing needles. > > This looks to be, basically, a turnover cartridge, one side red, one > side black. It has a weight attached to the end for counterbalance. > It uses the forked needles. > > There was a little strip of adhesive foil covering the Varco model number. > > A web search turned up a bit of info that I am wondering about - > apparently this is a high-output (3 volt) cartridge? Recommended > tracking 8 grams? And I don't even know if it is stereo-compatible. It > has the standard 2-pin connector. Is it worth getting needles or should > I swap out the tonearm? It should be stereo-compatible. These were the in-the-day replacements for the Red-Head for use with stereo records. These are ceramic cartridges with high output. There's a divider network in the base to reduce the output to make it similar to the original magnetic cartridge. Equalization won't be perfect as there are frequency response differences between the two technologies. Eight grams is about right, maybe a bit heavy. The Varco will probably work fine at five grams. Ideally, if you can find one, the Pickering 345-03D is a great replacement. These are no longer made and very expensive. Vern Tisdale is making a magnetic stereo replacement cartridge. It looks to be well made but I haven't heard one so can't comment as to the sound. http://verntisdale.com/cartridge.htm -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Mar 1 21:06:32 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Mar 1 21:08:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Varco Cartridge Message-ID: <20090302.000632.24337.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: The Vern Tisdale cartridge is based around the Pickering NP-AC which is electrically similar to the Pickering 343-05D cartridge intended for upgrades of mono Seeburgs. Vending supply company Wico sold several aftermarket conversion cartridges in the 60's to retrofit mono Seeburgs--maybe this is one of them. No mfr. had engineered the stereo compatible needle to fit the original redhead cartridge at the time. In general the freq response of any of the "real" magnetic cartridge choices will sound more accurate than the Varco. (Mag cartridge choices are to find a Pickering 343-05D, use an original redhead with the stereo stylii, or the Tisdale cartridge.) If you're buying repl. stylii for your Varco (needle number Pfanstiehl # 700-D7) be sure to specify .7mil stylii. The # 700 needle is available in several tip sizes. All the other advice given by others applies as well. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9AuY5vKr0LSW8QEWlGoOYZ99EUp3htSy39ugq97LiKWvSuXpC4/ From steve at pro-ns.net Mon Mar 2 08:36:48 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Mon Mar 2 08:37:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg rec-o-dance In-Reply-To: <000501c99957$d4ad2010$7e076030$@net> References: <941230.3102.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <49A1955D.9080209@halted.com> <000501c99957$d4ad2010$7e076030$@net> Message-ID: <20090302163648.GB27083@pro-ns.net> Rich, That first page is an intersting picture, juke up on a pedestal and everyone looking up at it. So much for seeing the partially visible mech, reading the title strips, or even inserting coins! (I guess it's supposed to be on display in an art gallery or museum?) Actually it sort of reminds me of the first Wurli I saw when I was 3 or 4 years old. I was small, so it towered above me but I could still kind of see see the carousel, and it played the record vertically so I could really see it! It was so etched in my mind, I remember it was green, so it was probably a 1900 or 2000. One of the reasons I knew I had to get a wurltizer with the carousel mech... --> Steve On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 09:51:20PM -0600, Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Here is a picture of the Wurlitzer discotheque banners described below. > Instead of a 2900, they are behind a 3000. This is a page form the 3000 > sales flyer. > > http://myersjukes.mine.nu/3000_Discotheque.jpg > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bob E. > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:12 PM > To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com; Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg rec-o-dance > > Ron Rich wrote: > > "Disco package"--starting with the LPC 480-D, runnng thru at least the > APFEA-1 model. > > Contained the "dance floor, sign and the large external speakers". > > I've never seen any of the marketing for Seeburg's "Discotheque" > campaign (except for the PFEA1-U phonos and the DDS speakers). I'd be > interested to see some brochures or ads. > > Apparently, Wurlitzer tried it for a short while as well, as I do have a > brochure for their equivalent "Discotheque by Wurlitzer" package, and > it's really a hoot. It has a picture of the 2900 series phono, flanked > by two large DDS-type external floor-standing console speakers (without > Altec horns, though). If you bought the complete Discotheque package > (it came in three levels), you got 9 large (3 ft. by 8 ft.!) black-light > posters with cartoon, uh, "jungle natives" beating on drums and slogans > like: "Dance to the Rhythmic Moods of Wurlitzer Discotheque...music > selected by Arthur Murray Studios" or "Do the Hully Gully to our Big > Band Discotheque". I'd love to see some of these posters for real! > > I don't know if they sold the black lights, but the brochure talks about > the "Large Wall Banners which ARE the dances...produced in brilliant > fluorescent colors that glow with black light. Makes a so-so spot into > a go-go spot in a hurry." You could also get window banners, > table-tents, napkins and coasters, and even Arthur Murray discotheque > instructors to teach your customers in your location on an exclusive > arrangement! There was also supposed to be a selection of 60 records > especially programmed for Discotheque dancing pressed exclusively for > Wurlitzer with specially-colored title strips. I've never seen any of > these things, they must be a lot rarer than the Seeburg stuff. I have > some of the "Rec-o-Dance" records, and there were some called the > "Disc-o-teen" series as well, I think. They are just normal, small-hole > 7" records, by the way. > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1966 - Release Date: 02/22/09 > 17:21:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. -Upton Sinclair From maddleso at gmu.edu Mon Mar 2 13:20:32 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Mon Mar 2 13:21:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 2 - Thank you re Seeburg R In-Reply-To: <20090302200003.5175CAAEDA@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090302200003.5175CAAEDA@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all who replied. You've convinced me - as if I needed convincing. Jay thank you for advice about the mech cover. There is no substitute for experience. I was a bit puzzled about the cover. Based on what you've said I believe the mess was the 'tar' and that the front piece has already been removed: but I've clipped your detailed instructions and saved them in a 'helpful hints - Seeburg' file which I'm sure will grow quickly. Thank you too for the advice about the mech and bandshell. It still looks fine: I'd like to keep it that way. Kind regards Mark From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Mon Mar 2 13:57:48 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Mon Mar 2 13:58:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? References: <000f01c99935$d99aff60$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net><49A8E060.3040305@west.net> <001b01c999b3$5eebfed0$1cc3fc70$@net> Message-ID: <46ED27F683014DFEAC19C7093A41378C@BACKROOM> Hi Folks: A little more info on the 3360 I have had one of these in my shop a couple of years ago and it is factory so Wesley said. He has seen a couple of them but not very many at all. Just my $.02 worth. Roy Buy your parts from REPUTABLE dealers It's the support of loyal customers that keep the hobby alive and thriving. Roy Dean The Jukebox Junkyard P.O.Box 338 Lizella, Ga. USA 678-833-5749 Mon thru Fri 9-5 EST "Thats GMT+ 5 for those of you across the Pond" From jay at west.net Mon Mar 2 14:20:04 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Mar 2 14:21:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? In-Reply-To: <46ED27F683014DFEAC19C7093A41378C@BACKROOM> References: <000f01c99935$d99aff60$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net><49A8E060.3040305@west.net> <001b01c999b3$5eebfed0$1cc3fc70$@net> <46ED27F683014DFEAC19C7093A41378C@BACKROOM> Message-ID: <49AC5B94.2090004@west.net> The Jukebox Junkyard wrote: > Mon thru Fri 9-5 EST > "Thats GMT+ 5 for those of you across the Pond" Actually it's GMT -5. Next week it will be GMT -4. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From steve at pro-ns.net Mon Mar 2 14:47:02 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Mon Mar 2 14:48:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 free play In-Reply-To: <200902261326590.SM00628@[192.168.1.206]> References: <200902261326590.SM00628@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <20090302224702.GD27083@pro-ns.net> Aaron & Bryan, In my case, a tooth is missing from something in the credit unit, so if I restore the spring, it won't register credits. :-( So the method of free play isn't much of an optional thing for me. I always thought, if you were creative enough, that a switch (like Aaron's) mounted so the coin return knob / button pressed it would be a good solution, for nearly any jukebox. Two things to consider though: 1. When credits are free, chances are greater that somebody will leave a last one on the machine. In fact, this applies even if your method of free play is zero modifications to the juke box, but placing a jar of coins nearby! So, arguably, anything dangerous when credits are left on the box indefinitely (like the resistor getting hot on an AMI F, or the button-latch solenoid on seeburgs) should maybe be fixed regardless. 2. Some credit systems (can't remember which) will blow a fuse if a coin switch is closed longer than it normally would be when a coin drops. In that case, a push button switch in parallel with the coin switch would likely be problematic! The second applies only generally, of course, there's no problem on an AMI F as far as I know. But the first one definitely applies. Instead of free-playing my other machine (wurli 2410), I just made it give 7 selections on a dime, and put a jar of coins nearby. There are almost always extra credits left on that box when I get to it. --> Steve On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 06:26:22PM +0000, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Bryan, > Rather than messing with the credit unit (since I have a real fear of the resistor burning up that controls the current to the "Select" light), I made a small modification to the jukebox itself. :) > > If you open the bottom door to the F, you'll see that the coin return cup is attached to the front grill. On both my F and G, I drilled a 1/4" (or smaller) hole in the middle of the back mounting plate that secures the coin return front chrome trim to the plate. I then mounted a small momentary contact, pushbutton switch in this hole. > > Next, I ran some tiny, two conductor wiring from that switch around the inside of the door - following the other wiring for the door's light - back into the cabinet and over to the slug rejector. I made sure that this wire was tidy and inconspicuous. Next, I soldered the two leads of the wire to the switch contacts on the bottom of the slug rejector that close when a quarter is dropped in. I don't remember off hand which points to solder to, but the manual points out which of the leads on this switch bank assembly are for dimes, nickels, and quarters. > > So with the wire attached to the same switch points that will close when a quarter is dropped in, I removed the credit unit and moved the screw stub that controls how far the credit wheel will travel when a quarter is used. On many of the machines, getting three plays for a quarter seems to be the standard. Follow the manual and place the stub in the location that will give you five plays for a quarter. Close the door to the F when you're done. > > Now, if all goes well, you just need to reach into the coin return cup and give that switch (which should be completely out of sight if you used a small enough switch) a push...and voila! Instant 5 credits! > > The Select light will come on so you won't lose that eye-candy. The credit unit hasn't been modified at all that isn't within spec of the manual...and you can still drop coins in to make selections. Since the credit unit is an accumulator, push the button as many times as you want. You can play the entire jukebox with only a few pushes. > > Good luck! > > > Aaron > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Shaw bryanlshaw@hotmail.com > Sent 2/25/2009 8:02:57 PM > To: jukebox group jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 free play > > > Hi all, > > I am looking for a safe method to set my ami f120 for free play. > > thank you > > Bryan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmailmore than just e-mail. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_022009 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep. -- Scott Adams From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 15:30:19 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Mon Mar 2 15:31:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? In-Reply-To: <49AC5B94.2090004@west.net> References: <000f01c99935$d99aff60$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net><49A8E060.3040305@west.net> <001b01c999b3$5eebfed0$1cc3fc70$@net> <46ED27F683014DFEAC19C7093A41378C@BACKROOM> <49AC5B94.2090004@west.net> Message-ID: <005e01c99b8e$da082d00$8e188700$@net> Man....this is a rough crowd! -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:20 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] ?Wurlitzer 3300 180 play jukebox? The Jukebox Junkyard wrote: > Mon thru Fri 9-5 EST > "Thats GMT+ 5 for those of you across the Pond" Actually it's GMT -5. Next week it will be GMT -4. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1975 - Release Date: 03/01/09 17:46:00 From deanmink2003 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 20:12:22 2009 From: deanmink2003 at yahoo.com (Dean Mi nk) Date: Mon Mar 2 20:13:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Blackhead vs. Redhead? Message-ID: <104116.65781.qm@web38804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've been running a Pickering blackhead cartridge with the L shaped needles on my Seeburg M100B because thats what came with it. I'm happy with the volume, bass and treble that it picks up but after reading tons of things on the internet, I decided to pick up a Seeburg Redhead cartridge for better sound and to save my 45's. It has the same type of L shaped needles and they are stereo needles. Anyway, I noticed after I installed it that the volume is about half of what the Blackhead was as is the bass. The sound is?much clearer but the volume is cranked full blast for it to be what the Blackhead was at half volume and the bass is very weak. Is it possible to get the best of both worlds somehow? ? ? From steve.dumouchel at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 3 08:23:20 2009 From: steve.dumouchel at sympatico.ca (steve) Date: Tue Mar 3 08:24:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp Message-ID: I've recently purchased a STD3 "Sunstar" and came across the usual selection problems and fixed those. The amp had the left side output transistors shorted and corresponding driver transistors and 100 ohm resistor, (R5199), open. I routinely work on Seeburgs of this era and have success most of the time. The problem I have now after replacing the transistors, resistor and setting the bias controls to zero, is that I now have audio on the left channel but the 100 ohm, (R5199), is overheating and frying in the process. I only noticed it when I saw a plume of smoke emminating from the amp. Why oh why is this happening? The right side is flawless, no smoke. Can someone point my nose in another direction? The bias pots have been cleaned and checked for proper linear operation. I measure .001vdc at the left side banana plug at 0 volume. As volume increases, the voltage goes up within range. Cheers, Steve From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 08:41:53 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Mar 3 08:43:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <236523.22287.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Steve, What's the Code letter of the amp? (or which bias circuit is being used?) Ron Rich --- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:23 AM I've recently purchased a STD3 "Sunstar" and came across the usual selection problems and fixed those. The amp had the left side output transistors shorted and corresponding driver transistors and 100 ohm resistor, (R5199), open. I routinely work on Seeburgs of this era and have success most of the time. The problem I have now after replacing the transistors, resistor and setting the bias controls to zero, is that I now have audio on the left channel but the 100 ohm, (R5199), is overheating and frying in the process. I only noticed it when I saw a plume of smoke emminating from the amp. Why oh why is this happening? The right side is flawless, no smoke. Can someone point my nose in another direction? The bias pots have been cleaned and checked for proper linear operation. I measure .001vdc at the left side banana plug at 0 volume. As volume increases, the voltage goes up within range. Cheers, Steve _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From steve.dumouchel at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 3 09:02:38 2009 From: steve.dumouchel at sympatico.ca (steve) Date: Tue Mar 3 09:03:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp References: <236523.22287.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, the stenciling on the amp is less than perfect and from what I could make out of what is there, code 0 (zero). What other features distinguish it from another, ( in reference to the "bias circuit")? Cheers, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > Steve, > What's the Code letter of the amp? (or which bias circuit is being used?) > Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: > > From: steve > Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:23 AM > > I've recently purchased a STD3 "Sunstar" and came across the usual > selection problems and fixed those. The amp had the left side output > transistors > shorted and corresponding driver transistors and 100 ohm resistor, > (R5199), > open. I routinely work on Seeburgs of this era and have success most of > the > time. The problem I have now after replacing the transistors, resistor and > setting the bias controls to zero, is that I now have audio on the left > channel > but the 100 ohm, (R5199), is overheating and frying in the process. I only > noticed it when I saw a plume of smoke emminating from the amp. Why oh why > is > this happening? The right side is flawless, no smoke. Can someone point my > nose > in another direction? The bias pots have been cleaned and checked for > proper > linear operation. I measure .001vdc at the left side banana plug at 0 > volume. As > volume increases, the voltage goes up within range. > Cheers, Steve > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 09:17:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Mar 3 09:18:16 2009 Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp Message-ID: <391665.66864.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Steve, Check out Tony Miller's "SHP Amplifiers Book" for the correct schematics and hints for working on them--(see Tony's site at http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera )--You have a problem that must be "trouble -shot (?----Shooted?)"? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 9:02 AM Ron, the stenciling on the amp is less than perfect and from what I could make out of what is there, code 0 (zero). What other features distinguish it from another, ( in reference to the "bias circuit")? Cheers, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > Steve, > What's the Code letter of the amp? (or which bias circuit is being used?) > Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: > > From: steve > Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:23 AM > > I've recently purchased a STD3 "Sunstar" and came across the usual > selection problems and fixed those. The amp had the left side output transistors > shorted and corresponding driver transistors and 100 ohm resistor, (R5199), > open. I routinely work on Seeburgs of this era and have success most of the > time. The problem I have now after replacing the transistors, resistor and > setting the bias controls to zero, is that I now have audio on the left channel > but the 100 ohm, (R5199), is overheating and frying in the process. I only > noticed it when I saw a plume of smoke emminating from the amp. Why oh why is > this happening? The right side is flawless, no smoke. Can someone point my nose > in another direction? The bias pots have been cleaned and checked for proper > linear operation. I measure .001vdc at the left side banana plug at 0 volume. As > volume increases, the voltage goes up within range. > Cheers, Steve > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From steve.dumouchel at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 3 11:42:40 2009 From: steve.dumouchel at sympatico.ca (steve) Date: Tue Mar 3 11:43:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp References: <391665.66864.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, I appreciate the advise, I'll probably end up buying the book. In the meantime, I'd like to make some progress with the amp. Has anyone else had this happen? Cheers, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp Steve, Check out Tony Miller's "SHP Amplifiers Book" for the correct schematics and hints for working on them--(see Tony's site at http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera )--You have a problem that must be "trouble -shot (?----Shooted?)" Ron Rich --- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 9:02 AM Ron, the stenciling on the amp is less than perfect and from what I could make out of what is there, code 0 (zero). What other features distinguish it from another, ( in reference to the "bias circuit")? Cheers, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > Steve, > What's the Code letter of the amp? (or which bias circuit is being used?) > Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: > > From: steve > Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:23 AM > > I've recently purchased a STD3 "Sunstar" and came across the usual > selection problems and fixed those. The amp had the left side output transistors > shorted and corresponding driver transistors and 100 ohm resistor, (R5199), > open. I routinely work on Seeburgs of this era and have success most of the > time. The problem I have now after replacing the transistors, resistor and > setting the bias controls to zero, is that I now have audio on the left channel > but the 100 ohm, (R5199), is overheating and frying in the process. I only > noticed it when I saw a plume of smoke emminating from the amp. Why oh why is > this happening? The right side is flawless, no smoke. Can someone point my nose > in another direction? The bias pots have been cleaned and checked for proper > linear operation. I measure .001vdc at the left side banana plug at 0 volume. As > volume increases, the voltage goes up within range. > Cheers, Steve > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 12:00:54 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Mar 3 12:02:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <664077.76927.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Steve, It's in the bias circuit or the driver circuit, You can replace parts till you find the defective one(s)--I've seen many things wrong--just need to get the correct schematic, and start "looking"-- Ron --- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: Re: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 11:42 AM Ron, I appreciate the advise, I'll probably end up buying the book. In the meantime, I'd like to make some progress with the amp. Has anyone else had this happen? Cheers, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp Steve, Check out Tony Miller's "SHP Amplifiers Book" for the correct schematics and hints for working on them--(see Tony's site at http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera )--You have a problem that must be "trouble -shot (?----Shooted?)" Ron Rich --- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 9:02 AM Ron, the stenciling on the amp is less than perfect and from what I could make out of what is there, code 0 (zero). What other features distinguish it from another, ( in reference to the "bias circuit")? Cheers, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > Steve, > What's the Code letter of the amp? (or which bias circuit is being used?) > Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: > > From: steve > Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:23 AM > > I've recently purchased a STD3 "Sunstar" and came across the usual > selection problems and fixed those. The amp had the left side output transistors > shorted and corresponding driver transistors and 100 ohm resistor, (R5199), > open. I routinely work on Seeburgs of this era and have success most of the > time. The problem I have now after replacing the transistors, resistor and > setting the bias controls to zero, is that I now have audio on the left channel > but the 100 ohm, (R5199), is overheating and frying in the process. I only > noticed it when I saw a plume of smoke emminating from the amp. Why oh why is > this happening? The right side is flawless, no smoke. Can someone point my nose > in another direction? The bias pots have been cleaned and checked for proper > linear operation. I measure .001vdc at the left side banana plug at 0 volume. As > volume increases, the voltage goes up within range. > Cheers, Steve > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From steve.dumouchel at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 3 12:36:06 2009 From: steve.dumouchel at sympatico.ca (steve) Date: Tue Mar 3 12:37:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp References: <664077.76927.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, I've suspected the driver circuit for obvious reasons and I do have the service manual. I'll check the bias circuitry again although I'm not a fan of the "shotgun" approach, then again.... I wonder if I'll have to replace driver transistors again for fear of having maybe stressed them somewhat during the initial "after repair" test. They still statically check o.k. I'm afraid to continue powering up the amp after replacing components, (such as that pesky resistor), that the other channel might suffer as well. This is the -32v resistor leading to the collector of Q5126 .Thoughts? Cheers, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > Steve, > It's in the bias circuit or the driver circuit, You can replace parts till > you find the defective one(s)--I've seen many things wrong--just need to > get the correct schematic, and start "looking"-- > Ron > > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: > > From: steve > Subject: Re: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 11:42 AM > > Ron, I appreciate the advise, I'll probably end up buying the book. In the > meantime, I'd like to make some progress with the amp. Has anyone else had > this happen? > Cheers, Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:17 PM > Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > > > Steve, > Check out Tony Miller's "SHP Amplifiers Book" for the correct > schematics and > hints for working on them--(see Tony's site at > http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera )--You have a problem that must be > "trouble -shot (?----Shooted?)" Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: > > From: steve > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 9:02 AM > > Ron, the stenciling on the amp is less than perfect and from what I could > make > out of what is there, code 0 (zero). What other features distinguish it > from > another, ( in reference to the "bias circuit")? > Cheers, Steve > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > > >> Steve, >> What's the Code letter of the amp? (or which bias circuit is being > used?) >> Ron Rich >> >> --- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: >> >> From: steve >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:23 AM >> >> I've recently purchased a STD3 "Sunstar" and came across the > usual >> selection problems and fixed those. The amp had the left side output > transistors >> shorted and corresponding driver transistors and 100 ohm resistor, > (R5199), >> open. I routinely work on Seeburgs of this era and have success most of > the >> time. The problem I have now after replacing the transistors, resistor >> and >> setting the bias controls to zero, is that I now have audio on the left > channel >> but the 100 ohm, (R5199), is overheating and frying in the process. I >> only >> noticed it when I saw a plume of smoke emminating from the amp. Why oh >> why > is >> this happening? The right side is flawless, no smoke. Can someone point >> my > nose >> in another direction? The bias pots have been cleaned and checked for > proper >> linear operation. I measure .001vdc at the left side banana plug at 0 > volume. As >> volume increases, the voltage goes up within range. >> Cheers, Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From gibson510 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 3 14:32:57 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Tue Mar 3 14:34:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] where to find parts etc. Message-ID: Last week someone ( I believe new to the list) was inquiring on where to acquire parts for restorations etc. I mistakenly deleted the post, but wanted to comment that victory glass is great for Wurlitzer related items, but Patrick Kubrickey at A-1 Jukebox and Nostalgia appears to have the best selection when it comes to reproduction parts for Seeburgs. Also when looking for good complete used parts, don't forget John Durfee in Orange MA. I recently had the chance to walk around and look at John's inventory. I have to say the pictures on his website don't do justice to what I saw first hand. 3 floors of warehouse space and row after row of jukes and juke parts. If you are ever in the area you have to stop in and check it out. He usually ships same day too. Regards, Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 From deanmink2003 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 14:59:28 2009 From: deanmink2003 at yahoo.com (Dean Mi nk) Date: Tue Mar 3 15:00:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] where to find parts etc. Message-ID: <960718.4772.qm@web38806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That was me. Someone mentioned Jukebox USA (A-1 Jukebox and Nostalgia) so I emailed them last Sunday with a list of parts to get a price quote, because their catalog is dated 2006/2007, but haven't heard anything yet. Is it best to just call them? ? ? --- On Tue, 3/3/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] where to find parts etc. To: "jukebox list" Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 4:32 PM Last week someone ( I believe new to the list) was inquiring on where to acquire parts for restorations etc. I mistakenly deleted the post, but wanted to comment that victory glass is great for Wurlitzer related items, but Patrick Kubrickey at A-1 Jukebox and Nostalgia appears to have the best selection when it comes to reproduction parts for Seeburgs. Also when looking for good complete used parts, don't forget John Durfee in Orange MA.? I recently had the chance to walk around and look at John's inventory. I have to say the pictures on his website don't do justice to what I saw first hand. 3 floors of warehouse space and row after row of jukes and juke parts. If you are ever in the area you have to stop in and check it out. He usually ships same day too. Regards, Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Mar 3 15:53:59 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Mar 3 15:55:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] where to find parts etc. In-Reply-To: <960718.4772.qm@web38806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <960718.4772.qm@web38806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401c99c5b$536d9fa0$fa48dee0$@net> A couple other vendors that provide quality service.... Bill Butterfield at http://jukebox-parts.com Roy Dean at http://jukebox-junkyard.com I have done business with Butterfield and found he is fair and ships quickly. I have spoken with Roy before but have not had the opportunity to do business....yet! Might be worth at shot..... RIch -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Dean Mi nk Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:59 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] where to find parts etc. That was me. Someone mentioned Jukebox USA (A-1 Jukebox and Nostalgia) so I emailed them last Sunday with a list of parts to get a price quote, because their catalog is dated 2006/2007, but haven't heard anything yet. Is it best to just call them? --- On Tue, 3/3/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] where to find parts etc. To: "jukebox list" Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 4:32 PM Last week someone ( I believe new to the list) was inquiring on where to acquire parts for restorations etc. I mistakenly deleted the post, but wanted to comment that victory glass is great for Wurlitzer related items, but Patrick Kubrickey at A-1 Jukebox and Nostalgia appears to have the best selection when it comes to reproduction parts for Seeburgs. Also when looking for good complete used parts, don't forget John Durfee in Orange MA. I recently had the chance to walk around and look at John's inventory. I have to say the pictures on his website don't do justice to what I saw first hand. 3 floors of warehouse space and row after row of jukes and juke parts. If you are ever in the area you have to stop in and check it out. He usually ships same day too. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1981 - Release Date: 03/03/09 16:09:00 From joe400f at shaw.ca Tue Mar 3 16:14:58 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Tue Mar 3 16:16:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] where to find parts etc. References: <960718.4772.qm@web38806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c99c5e$40ed1d30$ad9b4e18@compaq> They are probably busy getting ready for the Chicago show. Call them. They are great people with a great product. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Mi nk" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] where to find parts etc. That was me. Someone mentioned Jukebox USA (A-1 Jukebox and Nostalgia) so I emailed them last Sunday with a list of parts to get a price quote, because their catalog is dated 2006/2007, but haven't heard anything yet. Is it best to just call them? --- On Tue, 3/3/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] where to find parts etc. To: "jukebox list" Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 4:32 PM Last week someone ( I believe new to the list) was inquiring on where to acquire parts for restorations etc. I mistakenly deleted the post, but wanted to comment that victory glass is great for Wurlitzer related items, but Patrick Kubrickey at A-1 Jukebox and Nostalgia appears to have the best selection when it comes to reproduction parts for Seeburgs. Also when looking for good complete used parts, don't forget John Durfee in Orange MA. I recently had the chance to walk around and look at John's inventory. I have to say the pictures on his website don't do justice to what I saw first hand. 3 floors of warehouse space and row after row of jukes and juke parts. If you are ever in the area you have to stop in and check it out. He usually ships same day too. Regards, Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinballrepair at paradise.net.nz Tue Mar 3 18:31:54 2009 From: pinballrepair at paradise.net.nz (Iain Jamieson) Date: Tue Mar 3 18:49:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Techna 480 Faulty Mech Board? Message-ID: <49ADE81A.9010008@paradise.net.nz> Hi Everyone, I have had a problem with a Rockola Techna 480 where the mech logic board had a failed output pin on the custom IC that made it play one record continuously, also would not enable the mech to scan. I installed a new old stock board and now the mech scans once on startup, selects everything fine, but only up to a selection ending in 4. Eveything that ends in 5 - 7 does not select. It displays in the Keypad, credits drop by one, displays in the hit tracker, but does not scan and play. I don't have a manual for a 480, only the 488. It says in that manual that the test button should make it scan and play 6x selections. it does not do this either Any thoughts on this? I am leaning towards the fact that there might be a fault in this board also Thanks Iain From JHayes2613 at aol.com Tue Mar 3 19:22:01 2009 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Tue Mar 3 19:29:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] where to find parts etc. In-Reply-To: <001401c99c5b$536d9fa0$fa48dee0$@net> References: <960718.4772.qm@web38806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001401c99c5b$536d9fa0$fa48dee0$@net> Message-ID: <839CC7D7-DF51-48D5-862C-AC0CBFBD9EAE@aol.com> Bill Butterfield has done an amp rebuild for me, and I have purchased from Roy Dean. Both good guys. Pat Kubricky is sometimes a little slow in getting back to you but he will eventually. Also good guy. Durfee likes to play hardball but he, too, is reputable. On Mar 3, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > A couple other vendors that provide quality service.... > > Bill Butterfield at http://jukebox-parts.com > > Roy Dean at http://jukebox-junkyard.com > > I have done business with Butterfield and found he is fair and ships > quickly. I have spoken with Roy before but have not had the > opportunity to do business....yet! > > Might be worth at shot..... > > RIch > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > ] On Behalf Of Dean Mi nk > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:59 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] where to find parts etc. > > That was me. Someone mentioned Jukebox USA (A-1 Jukebox and > Nostalgia) so I emailed them last Sunday with a list of parts to get > a price quote, because their catalog is dated 2006/2007, but haven't > heard anything yet. > Is it best to just call them? > > > > > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, rick murray wrote: > > > From: rick murray > Subject: [Jukebox-list] where to find parts etc. > To: "jukebox list" > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 4:32 PM > > > > Last week someone ( I believe new to the list) was inquiring on > where to acquire parts for restorations etc. > I mistakenly deleted the post, but wanted to comment that victory > glass is great for Wurlitzer related items, but Patrick Kubrickey at > A-1 Jukebox and Nostalgia appears to have the best selection when it > comes to reproduction parts for Seeburgs. Also when looking for good > complete used parts, don't forget John Durfee in Orange MA. I > recently had the chance to walk around and look at John's inventory. > I have to say the pictures on his website don't do justice to what I > saw first hand. 3 floors of warehouse space and row after row of > jukes and juke parts. If you are ever in the area you have to stop > in and check it out. He usually ships same day too. > > Regards, > > Rick Murray > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live? Contacts: Organize your contact list. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1981 - Release Date: > 03/03/09 16:09:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From seeburgt at pacbell.net Tue Mar 3 19:30:40 2009 From: seeburgt at pacbell.net (Tony Miller) Date: Tue Mar 3 19:38:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp In-Reply-To: References: <664077.76927.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090304033821.00C5AAA9A4@lists.netlojix.com> At 12:36 PM 3/3/2009, you wrote: Steve; I would suspect an open in the bias circuit. Check for continuity between the base of the top driver, all the way through the bias circuit, to the base of the bottom driver. If the jumpers are not connected in parallel with the PC board edge connectors on the driver board, connect them. Having a schematic of your amp would be helpful. Do you have one? Cheers, Tony Miller >Ron, I've suspected the driver circuit for obvious reasons and I do >have the service manual. I'll check the bias circuitry again >although I'm not a fan of the "shotgun" approach, then again.... I >wonder if I'll have to replace driver transistors again for fear of >having maybe stressed them somewhat during the initial "after >repair" test. They still statically check o.k. I'm afraid to >continue powering up the amp after replacing components, (such as >that pesky resistor), that the other channel might suffer as well. >This is the -32v resistor leading to the collector of Q5126 .Thoughts? >Cheers, Steve >----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" >To: "Jukebox mailing list" >Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:00 PM >Subject: Re: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > > >>Steve, >>It's in the bias circuit or the driver circuit, You can replace >>parts till you find the defective one(s)--I've seen many things >>wrong--just need to get the correct schematic, and start "looking"-- >>Ron >> >>--- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: >> >>From: steve >>Subject: Re: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp >>To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" >> >>Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 11:42 AM >> >>Ron, I appreciate the advise, I'll probably end up buying the book. In the >>meantime, I'd like to make some progress with the amp. Has anyone else had >>this happen? >>Cheers, Steve >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:17 PM >>Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp >> >> >>Steve, >>Check out Tony Miller's "SHP Amplifiers Book" for the correct >>schematics and >>hints for working on them--(see Tony's site at >>http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera )--You have a problem that must be >>"trouble -shot (?----Shooted?)" Ron Rich >> >>--- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: >> >>From: steve >>Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp >>To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" >> >>Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 9:02 AM >> >>Ron, the stenciling on the amp is less than perfect and from what I could >>make >>out of what is there, code 0 (zero). What other features distinguish it from >>another, ( in reference to the "bias circuit")? >>Cheers, Steve >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" >> >>To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:41 AM >>Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp >> >> >>>Steve, >>>What's the Code letter of the amp? (or which bias circuit is being >>used?) >>>Ron Rich >>> >>>--- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: >>> >>>From: steve >>>Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp >>>To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> >>>Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:23 AM >>> >>>I've recently purchased a STD3 "Sunstar" and came across the >>usual >>>selection problems and fixed those. The amp had the left side output >>transistors >>>shorted and corresponding driver transistors and 100 ohm resistor, >>(R5199), >>>open. I routinely work on Seeburgs of this era and have success most of >>the >>>time. The problem I have now after replacing the transistors, resistor and >>>setting the bias controls to zero, is that I now have audio on the left >>channel >>>but the 100 ohm, (R5199), is overheating and frying in the process. I only >>>noticed it when I saw a plume of smoke emminating from the amp. Why oh why >>is >>>this happening? The right side is flawless, no smoke. Can someone point my >>nose >>>in another direction? The bias pots have been cleaned and checked for >>proper >>>linear operation. I measure .001vdc at the left side banana plug at 0 >>volume. As >>>volume increases, the voltage goes up within range. >>>Cheers, Steve >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Jukebox-list mailing list >>>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Jukebox-list mailing list >>>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Jukebox-list mailing list >>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Jukebox-list mailing list >>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Jukebox-list mailing list >>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Jukebox-list mailing list >>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Alan-hood at datex.co.uk Wed Mar 4 01:45:57 2009 From: Alan-hood at datex.co.uk (Alan-hood@datex.co.uk) Date: Wed Mar 4 01:39:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp Message-ID: <655B3C747F0C0641901676E8D84957A00128E1@NTPDC1> Hi Steve, I have not worked on the SHP3 Amp but I have had similar problems on power amplifiers where the capacitors in the bias circuit have been incorrect. In that case the output transistors overheated and a low value resister overheated. Rowe Ami even supplied a fix for bias problems that they had on certain amplifiers. I would check the circuits on both side of the amp for any difference and check out the caps on the faulty side. Regards Alan Hood ami-man UK alan-hood@datex.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER The information and any attachment with this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please notify the sender and delete the message immediately. Unauthorised disclosure, distribution and copying of this email are strictly prohibited The opinions expressed within this message are those of the individual author. Whilst Datex Systems takes reasonable steps to scan this email it does not accept liability for any virus that may be contained in it. ____________________________________________________________________ From steve.dumouchel at sympatico.ca Wed Mar 4 03:07:12 2009 From: steve.dumouchel at sympatico.ca (steve) Date: Wed Mar 4 03:08:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp References: <664077.76927.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20090304033821.00C5AAA9A4@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Tony Alan and of courseRon, thank you all for the tips and suggestions. I've found the culprit as staed in an earlier post last night, (eastern standard time, Canada). I've since adjusted the bias for optimal performance and couldn't be happier. These amps, [SHP1-3], are, in my opinion, bullet proof when properly serviced. BTW, I mention in an earlier post, that I've been working on this era of Seeburg for a while and thoroughly enjoy them. I think they are the next collectable so keep an inventory of some of these early seventies jukes 'cause you never know... Cheers, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Miller" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:30 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp > At 12:36 PM 3/3/2009, you wrote: > Steve; > > I would suspect an open in the bias circuit. Check for continuity between > the base of the top driver, all the way through the bias circuit, to the > base of the bottom driver. If the jumpers are not connected in parallel > with the PC board edge connectors on the driver board, connect them. > Having a schematic of your amp would be helpful. Do you have one? > > Cheers, > > Tony Miller > >>Ron, I've suspected the driver circuit for obvious reasons and I do have >>the service manual. I'll check the bias circuitry again although I'm not a >>fan of the "shotgun" approach, then again.... I wonder if I'll have to >>replace driver transistors again for fear of having maybe stressed them >>somewhat during the initial "after repair" test. They still statically >>check o.k. I'm afraid to continue powering up the amp after replacing >>components, (such as that pesky resistor), that the other channel might >>suffer as well. This is the -32v resistor leading to the collector of >>Q5126 .Thoughts? >>Cheers, Steve >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" >>To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:00 PM >>Subject: Re: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp >> >> >>>Steve, >>>It's in the bias circuit or the driver circuit, You can replace parts >>>till you find the defective one(s)--I've seen many things wrong--just >>>need to get the correct schematic, and start "looking"-- >>>Ron >>> >>>--- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: >>> >>>From: steve >>>Subject: Re: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp >>>To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" >>> >>>Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 11:42 AM >>> >>>Ron, I appreciate the advise, I'll probably end up buying the book. In >>>the >>>meantime, I'd like to make some progress with the amp. Has anyone else >>>had >>>this happen? >>>Cheers, Steve >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" >>>To: >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:17 PM >>>Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp >>> >>> >>>Steve, >>>Check out Tony Miller's "SHP Amplifiers Book" for the correct >>>schematics and >>>hints for working on them--(see Tony's site at >>>http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera )--You have a problem that must be >>>"trouble -shot (?----Shooted?)" Ron Rich >>> >>>--- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: >>> >>>From: steve >>>Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp >>>To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" >>> >>>Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 9:02 AM >>> >>>Ron, the stenciling on the amp is less than perfect and from what I could >>>make >>>out of what is there, code 0 (zero). What other features distinguish it >>>from >>>another, ( in reference to the "bias circuit")? >>>Cheers, Steve >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" >>> >>>To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:41 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp >>> >>> >>>>Steve, >>>>What's the Code letter of the amp? (or which bias circuit is being >>>used?) >>>>Ron Rich >>>> >>>>--- On Tue, 3/3/09, steve wrote: >>>> >>>>From: steve >>>>Subject: [Jukebox-list] SHP3 Amp >>>>To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> >>>>Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:23 AM >>>> >>>>I've recently purchased a STD3 "Sunstar" and came across the >>>usual >>>>selection problems and fixed those. The amp had the left side output >>>transistors >>>>shorted and corresponding driver transistors and 100 ohm resistor, >>>(R5199), >>>>open. I routinely work on Seeburgs of this era and have success most of >>>the >>>>time. The problem I have now after replacing the transistors, resistor >>>>and >>>>setting the bias controls to zero, is that I now have audio on the left >>>channel >>>>but the 100 ohm, (R5199), is overheating and frying in the process. I >>>>only >>>>noticed it when I saw a plume of smoke emminating from the amp. Why oh >>>>why >>>is >>>>this happening? The right side is flawless, no smoke. Can someone point >>>>my >>>nose >>>>in another direction? The bias pots have been cleaned and checked for >>>proper >>>>linear operation. I measure .001vdc at the left side banana plug at 0 >>>volume. As >>>>volume increases, the voltage goes up within range. >>>>Cheers, Steve >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Jukebox-list mailing list >>>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Jukebox-list mailing list >>>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Jukebox-list mailing list >>>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Jukebox-list mailing list >>>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Jukebox-list mailing list >>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ron at cyberjunky.nl Wed Mar 4 11:10:00 2009 From: ron at cyberjunky.nl (Ron) Date: Wed Mar 4 11:10:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question Message-ID: <49AED208.7050501@cyberjunky.nl> I'm selling my Wurlitzer 2810 juke, anyone know the weight of this boy, so I can warn the buyer about possible shipping issues? I can't seem to find it anywhere.. even the service manual doesn't state that. Thanks and regards, Ron. From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 11:31:45 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Wed Mar 4 11:32:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question In-Reply-To: <49AED208.7050501@cyberjunky.nl> Message-ID: <1167125525.3124131236195105798.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> http://tomszone.com lists specs for all models. Here is the listing for a 2800. model year name speeds records selections height width depth weight 2800 1964 N/A 45(33) 100 200 52 1/4 33 3/4 27 5/8 355 Good luck.. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:10:00 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question I'm selling my Wurlitzer 2810 juke, anyone know the weight of this boy, so I can warn the buyer about possible shipping issues? I can't seem to find it anywhere.. even the service manual doesn't state that. Thanks and regards, Ron. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ron at cyberjunky.nl Wed Mar 4 11:42:23 2009 From: ron at cyberjunky.nl (Ron) Date: Wed Mar 4 11:50:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question In-Reply-To: <1167125525.3124131236195105798.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1167125525.3124131236195105798.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <49AED99F.20904@cyberjunky.nl> Pfew, thats about 161 kg Thanks! Ron. > http://tomszone.com lists specs for all models. > > Here is the listing for a 2800. > model year name speeds records selections height width depth weight > 2800 1964 N/A 45(33) 100 200 52 1/4 33 3/4 27 5/8 355 > Good luck.. > > Rich > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:10:00 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question > > > I'm selling my Wurlitzer 2810 juke, anyone know the weight of this boy, > so I can warn the buyer about possible shipping issues? > > I can't seem to find it anywhere.. even the service manual doesn't state > that. > > Thanks and regards, > Ron. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ron at cyberjunky.nl Wed Mar 4 11:51:51 2009 From: ron at cyberjunky.nl (Ron) Date: Wed Mar 4 11:52:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question In-Reply-To: <49AED99F.20904@cyberjunky.nl> References: <1167125525.3124131236195105798.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <49AED99F.20904@cyberjunky.nl> Message-ID: <49AEDBD7.8080500@cyberjunky.nl> Another question just came up. I have seen a youtube video just now where a 2810 is on free play without the select light lit, does this also mean the resistors don't run hot? If so, that's very nice, how can I acomplise that? Thanks in advance and regards, Ron. > Pfew, thats about 161 kg > > Thanks! > > Ron. >> http://tomszone.com lists specs for all models. >> Here is the listing for a 2800. model year name speeds records >> selections height width depth weight 2800 1964 N/A >> 45(33) 100 200 52 1/4 33 3/4 27 5/8 355 Good >> luck.. >> Rich >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: >> "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: >> Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:10:00 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question >> >> I'm selling my Wurlitzer 2810 juke, anyone know the weight of this >> boy, so I can warn the buyer about possible shipping issues? >> I can't seem to find it anywhere.. even the service manual doesn't >> state that. >> Thanks and regards, Ron. >> _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing >> list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 4 12:07:06 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 4 12:08:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question Message-ID: <569639.83142.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ron, They do run hot--but so what? Keep your fingers away from them.?If you want them a LITTLE cooler, run larger wattage resistors. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 11:51 AM Another question just came up. I have seen a youtube video just now where a 2810 is on free play without the select light lit, does this also mean the resistors don't run hot? If so, that's very nice, how can I acomplise that? Thanks in advance and regards, Ron. > Pfew, thats about 161 kg > > Thanks! > > Ron. >> http://tomszone.com lists specs for all models. >> Here is the listing for a 2800. model year name speeds records selections height width depth weight 2800? ???1964? ???N/A? ???45(33)? ???100? ???200? ???52 1/4? ???33 3/4? ???27 5/8? ???355 Good luck.. >> Rich >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:10:00 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question >> >> I'm selling my Wurlitzer 2810 juke, anyone know the weight of this boy, so I can warn the buyer about possible shipping issues? >> I can't seem to find it anywhere.. even the service manual doesn't state that. >> Thanks and regards, Ron. >> _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>??? > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 12:09:41 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David) Date: Wed Mar 4 12:12:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question References: <49AED208.7050501@cyberjunky.nl> Message-ID: <001801c99d05$277ef9c0$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> I think I read 340# 2810, 355# 2800 some where. They both equally gain weight going up a flight of stairs! ;~) David G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question > > I'm selling my Wurlitzer 2810 juke, anyone know the weight of this boy, > so I can warn the buyer about possible shipping issues? > > I can't seem to find it anywhere.. even the service manual doesn't state > that. > > Thanks and regards, > Ron. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.7/1983 - Release Date: 3/4/09 7:41 AM > > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 4 12:23:30 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 4 12:24:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question Message-ID: <943962.79093.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> DavidG, and all, They ALL (no difference between Mfg's or models, here)?gain weight on a per stair basis, and with age (of both the box, and the person(s) lifting it)?!! Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/4/09, David wrote: From: David Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 12:09 PM I think I read 340# 2810, 355# 2800 some where. They both equally gain weight going up a flight of stairs!? ;~) David G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question > > I'm selling my Wurlitzer 2810 juke, anyone know the weight of this boy, > so I can warn the buyer about possible shipping issues? > > I can't seem to find it anywhere.. even the service manual doesn't state > that. > > Thanks and regards, > Ron. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.7/1983 - Release Date: 3/4/09 7:41 AM > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dvachon at teksavvy.com Wed Mar 4 14:26:48 2009 From: dvachon at teksavvy.com (dvachon) Date: Wed Mar 4 14:27:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 1000 No Sound Message-ID: <03e7ddfaa2e166410c3da2f5e511b06f@teksavvy.com> Hi, I have finally been able to hook up my Seeburg 1000 background music system. The mechanics of it work fine and I have put nos needles in it. I do not get any sound from the cartridge. It appears that a microphone would work. If I turn up the microphone volume, I get (I think they call it white noise). I don't have a mic to try it. However, when playing a record, there is very little sound. Close to nothing. If I turn the mic volume down and turn the master volume up and down, there is no increase or decrease in the little volume that I hear. Would there be a way to check to see if it is in the amp or the cartridge? Thank you for any help you can give, Doug From jay at west.net Wed Mar 4 15:03:52 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Mar 4 15:04:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 1000 No Sound In-Reply-To: <03e7ddfaa2e166410c3da2f5e511b06f@teksavvy.com> References: <03e7ddfaa2e166410c3da2f5e511b06f@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <49AF08D8.80604@west.net> dvachon wrote: > Hi, I have finally been able to hook up my Seeburg 1000 background music system. The mechanics of it work fine and I have put nos needles in it. I do not get any sound from the cartridge. It appears that a microphone would work. If I turn up the microphone volume, I get (I think they call it white noise). I don't have a mic to try it. However, when playing a record, there is very little sound. Close to nothing. If I turn the mic volume down and turn the master volume up and down, there is no increase or decrease in the little volume that I hear. Would there be a way to check to see if it is in the amp or the cartridge? I am not familiar with the Seeburg background music unit, but most background music systems are configured to mute the music when the microphone is active. There is typically a push-to-talk switch on the mic that controls this. Seeing as your microphone input appears to be live, perhaps the unit is stuck in the microphone position. You can remove the cartridge and probe the socket pins with a piece of bare wire held in your hand. The live one(s) should produce a loud hum if the amplifier is working. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Mar 4 15:56:39 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Mar 4 15:59:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2810 question Message-ID: <20090304.185639.21185.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hello Ron: The weight of a Wurl 2710 jukebox is 317 lbs, uncrated. Crated and packed for shipping the weight is 363 lbs. Figures taken from the Wurl. product sales manual. Info is not in the service manual. This book does not quote weight figures for the 2800 series. The 2700 and 2800 series products are quite similar as far as the cabinet design and the interior components are concerned. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2boQMSJTZMNk49Syn4fcXGJ6KVBL0pmi9UL4GJMvbeYjS6ZBNzq/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 4 16:07:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 4 16:08:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 1000 No Sound Message-ID: <474638.45488.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Doug, Go to www.seeburgeds.com --he might be able to help you--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/4/09, dvachon wrote: From: dvachon Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 1000 No Sound To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 2:26 PM Hi, I have finally been able to hook up my Seeburg 1000 background music system. The mechanics of it work fine and I have put nos needles in it. I do not get any sound from the cartridge. It appears that a microphone would work. If I turn up the microphone volume, I get (I think they call it white noise). I don't have a mic to try it. However, when playing a record, there is very little sound. Close to nothing. If I turn the mic volume down and turn the master volume up and down, there is no increase or decrease in the little volume that I hear. Would there be a way to check to see if it is in the amp or the cartridge? Thank you for any help you can give, Doug _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 4 17:14:05 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Mar 4 17:15:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] clearing out inventory Message-ID: I've decided to sell all the machines in my inventory. If anyone is interested in anything please contact me off the list. Here is what I have available currently. I have 2 seeburg model C's complete I have 1 seeburg model C Grade 1 Restored 2-years ago I have 1 seeburg model G needs dome glass, complete otherwise. I have 1 Seeburg model R complete I have 1 Seeburg model 222 complete with new in box side glass I have 1 Seeburg model SE100 (Golden Jet) complete I have 1 Seeburg model SX100 (Marauder) complete I have 1 Seeburg model U100D (Disco) complete I have 1 Seeburg model USC-1 (Bandshell) complete Thank You Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 From jay at west.net Wed Mar 4 17:26:44 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Mar 4 17:27:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] clearing out inventory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AF2A54.4090800@west.net> rick murray wrote: > I've decided to sell all the machines in my inventory. If anyone is interested in anything please contact me off the list. > Here is what I have available currently. > > I have 2 seeburg model C's complete > I have 1 seeburg model C Grade 1 Restored 2-years ago > > I have 1 seeburg model G needs dome glass, complete otherwise. > I have 1 Seeburg model R complete > I have 1 Seeburg model 222 complete with new in box side glass > > I have 1 Seeburg model SE100 (Golden Jet) complete > I have 1 Seeburg model SX100 (Marauder) complete > I have 1 Seeburg model U100D (Disco) complete > I have 1 Seeburg model USC-1 (Bandshell) complete Where are the machines located? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dvachon at teksavvy.com Wed Mar 4 17:54:43 2009 From: dvachon at teksavvy.com (dvachon) Date: Wed Mar 4 17:55:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 1000 No Sound Message-ID: <50c76709889bfbf48d5b1837cdba35bd@teksavvy.com> Thank you Jay, I will give it a try tonight. And thank you Ron. Great link! -----Original message----- From: Jay Hennigan jay@west.net Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:03:52 -0500 To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 1000 No Sound > dvachon wrote: > > Hi, I have finally been able to hook up my Seeburg 1000 background music system. The mechanics of it work fine and I have put nos needles in it. I do not get any sound from the cartridge. It appears that a microphone would work. If I turn up the microphone volume, I get (I think they call it white noise). I don't have a mic to try it. However, when playing a record, there is very little sound. Close to nothing. If I turn the mic volume down and turn the master volume up and down, there is no increase or decrease in the little volume that I hear. Would there be a way to check to see if it is in the amp or the cartridge? > > I am not familiar with the Seeburg background music unit, but most > background music systems are configured to mute the music when the > microphone is active. There is typically a push-to-talk switch on the > mic that controls this. Seeing as your microphone input appears to be > live, perhaps the unit is stuck in the microphone position. > > You can remove the cartridge and probe the socket pins with a piece of > bare wire held in your hand. The live one(s) should produce a loud hum > if the amplifier is working. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 4 20:57:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 4 20:58:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: Re: can't believe this guy Message-ID: <442284.73244.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Vance, I do believe him. I have purchased many items from him and have always found his descriptions?to be honest. I believe that judging from the stamped number on the cartridge, that it was an "original" which was equipped with those needles at the time of mfg. He is IMHO, a "wee-bit" high on his price, however-- This seller purchased the "remains" of one of the "Seeburg companies", some time ago.? I have seen many dis-honest descriptions on eBay, some make me LOL--and some are "honest errors"--so, as always--buyer beware !!?? ?Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Vance Durgin wrote: From: Vance Durgin Subject: can't believe this guy To: "Ron Rich" Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 6:54 PM He's trying to sell a stereo redhead cart with the crappy repro needles as a NOS item for a very high price. For one thing, stereo redheads aren't rare/valuable, only the original unused needles for that cart are. For another, if it has repro needles, it's not NOS. Misrepresentation/fraud, in my opinion. If the link doesn't work, it's eBay item # 350170216772 http://cgi.ebay.com/NOS-Seeburg-RED-STEREO-CARTRIDGE-w-T-Needles-NOS_W0QQitemZ350170216772QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item350170216772&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:570|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50 From dvachon at teksavvy.com Thu Mar 5 00:33:13 2009 From: dvachon at teksavvy.com (dvachon) Date: Thu Mar 5 00:34:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 1000 No Sound Message-ID: Hi Jay, I did what you suggested and I got a single crackling noise but no hum. Does this mean like you said, It could be stuck in the microphone position? Thank you for your help. Doug -----Original message----- From: Jay Hennigan jay@west.net Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:03:52 -0500 To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 1000 No Sound > dvachon wrote: > > Hi, I have finally been able to hook up my Seeburg 1000 background music system. The mechanics of it work fine and I have put nos needles in it. I do not get any sound from the cartridge. It appears that a microphone would work. If I turn up the microphone volume, I get (I think they call it white noise). I don't have a mic to try it. However, when playing a record, there is very little sound. Close to nothing. If I turn the mic volume down and turn the master volume up and down, there is no increase or decrease in the little volume that I hear. Would there be a way to check to see if it is in the amp or the cartridge? > > I am not familiar with the Seeburg background music unit, but most > background music systems are configured to mute the music when the > microphone is active. There is typically a push-to-talk switch on the > mic that controls this. Seeing as your microphone input appears to be > live, perhaps the unit is stuck in the microphone position. > > You can remove the cartridge and probe the socket pins with a piece of > bare wire held in your hand. The live one(s) should produce a loud hum > if the amplifier is working. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Mar 5 06:01:44 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Mar 5 06:02:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: Re: can't believe this guy Message-ID: <642873.92869.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey you think that's alot? I have seen a guy selling in Canada on Ebay the same cart for $450 to $850 and getting it too! Considering the economy and everything that is not an overly bad price. The shipping is just a tad high and also considering that he can mail it in a shipping bubble type envelope it is high. Considering the number on the cart Ron is 100% right it is Original. They are getting harder to find but they are not what I would consider rare. So all in all the price is actually more then fair for an NOS Stereo Red-Head Pickering cart. ? Regards, Tony (Btw I am Canadian) --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: Re: can't believe this guy To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 11:57 PM Vance, I do believe him. I have purchased many items from him and have always found his descriptions?to be honest. I believe that judging from the stamped number on the cartridge, that it was an "original" which was equipped with those needles at the time of mfg. He is IMHO, a "wee-bit" high on his price, however-- This seller purchased the "remains" of one of the "Seeburg companies", some time ago.? I have seen many dis-honest descriptions on eBay, some make me LOL--and some are "honest errors"--so, as always--buyer beware !!?? ?Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Vance Durgin wrote: From: Vance Durgin Subject: can't believe this guy To: "Ron Rich" Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 6:54 PM He's trying to sell a stereo redhead cart with the crappy repro needles as a NOS item for a very high price. For one thing, stereo redheads aren't rare/valuable, only the original unused needles for that cart are. For another, if it has repro needles, it's not NOS. Misrepresentation/fraud, in my opinion. If the link doesn't work, it's eBay item # 350170216772 http://cgi.ebay.com/NOS-Seeburg-RED-STEREO-CARTRIDGE-w-T-Needles-NOS_W0QQitemZ350170216772QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item350170216772&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:570|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From PhilcoKid2 at cs.com Thu Mar 5 08:31:15 2009 From: PhilcoKid2 at cs.com (PhilcoKid2@cs.com) Date: Thu Mar 5 08:41:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with Seeburg L-100 Message-ID: I am about to begin restoration on a Seeburg L-100 and I wondered if someone would help me put the keyboard back together. I took it apart to have it rechromed and I am not sure I'm going to be able to put it back together. I work for an airline so it would not be a problem to fly out with the parts. Many many thanks, Donald Cochrane From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 08:46:39 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Mar 5 08:47:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with Seeburg L-100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <642542.91234.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Donald, Bring it to me----Also, please contact me off list, as I have attempted to get hold of you for some time now--? ronnnrich@yahoo.com?? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 3/5/09, PhilcoKid2@cs.com wrote: From: PhilcoKid2@cs.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with Seeburg L-100 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 8:31 AM I am about to begin restoration on a Seeburg L-100 and I wondered if someone would help me put the keyboard back together. I took it apart to have it rechromed and I am not sure I'm going to be able to put it back together. I work for an airline so it would not be a problem to fly out with the parts. Many many thanks, Donald Cochrane _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From abihudlass at talktalk.net Wed Mar 4 10:08:56 2009 From: abihudlass at talktalk.net (Abi Hudlass-Galley) Date: Thu Mar 5 10:24:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J bass horn Message-ID: <5E0AF25190704B09B04F4EB7FC4B6251@yourv7oy5l24pg> Hi, Wesley, thanks for youy reply on the ami j bass plastic horn. any chance of some pics if possible, how much would you like for it, and any idea on p&p to main land UK. Thanks Chris From cbarna at verizon.net Wed Mar 4 14:34:59 2009 From: cbarna at verizon.net (cbarna) Date: Thu Mar 5 10:24:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe MM5 Jukebox Message-ID: <4090448C568C448FB77ACF17760A2B66@UserPC> John, I Googled the "Rowe AMI MM5" Jukebox and I found a site with your name and email on it. I hope you don't mind me emailing you. I have a Rowe AMI, model MM5 with dozens of older 45's in it that my friend gave me before he left for South Carolina. He told me I could sell if I wanted to and I was thinking about putting it on ebay or the local "Treasure Hunt Magazine" but I don't know what to ask for it. It looks like it's in really good shape and works perfectly. Do you know anything about them or know anyone who could help me out? Thanks for your time, Mike Barna From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Mar 1 14:09:56 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Mar 5 10:24:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US Message-ID: <20090301.170956.23837.2@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Please note: forwarded message attached Received: from [66.90.229.20] by webmail24.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:48:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.90.229.20] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "James Alexander" Full-Name: James Alexander Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:48:22 GMT To: jay@west.net Subject: RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090301.014822.23159.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="--__JWM__J305c.23d5S.5fe8M" Jay: Just wanted to post this for the list. Justin Stephens posted pix from the IUE labor union local last week about the last CD jukeboxes coming off the assembly line at Rowe in Grand Rapids MI. Attached is a business announcement from trade publication Vending Times about Rowe and Merit's (mfr of tabletop game systems) closing down their production facility in the US and moving it to Mexico. Another longtime US business that is being taxed out of existence.....sad. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click now and tackle the dirtiest jobs with the power of a steam cleaner! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTGQG4Fl9spmpE0WpXA7H1bj7D6fcFF8CNYQgh9FOn1Wq17A28WH2/ From drjukebox at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 10:52:40 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Thu Mar 5 11:18:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US In-Reply-To: <20090301.170956.23837.2@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090301.170956.23837.2@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690903051052k320c216ak4c78b76be2f83a5a@mail.gmail.com> They had a nice museum part of the old building in Grand Raids where they had been located since at least the thirties. It was there in 1994 at my last visit - is it still there? Are they still in the same building? Jens On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:09 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Please note: forwarded message attached > > Received: from [66.90.229.20] by webmail24.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: > Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:48:22 GMT > X-Originating-IP: [66.90.229.20] > Mime-Version: 1.0 > From: "James Alexander" > Full-Name: James Alexander > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:48:22 GMT > To: jay@west.net > Subject: RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US > X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 > Message-Id: <20090301.014822.23159.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="--__JWM__J305c.23d5S.5fe8M" > > Jay: > Just wanted to post this for the list. Justin Stephens posted pix from the > IUE labor union local last week about the last CD jukeboxes coming off the > assembly line at Rowe in Grand Rapids MI. > Attached is a business announcement from trade publication Vending Times > about Rowe and Merit's (mfr of tabletop game systems) closing down their > production facility in the US and moving it to Mexico. > Another longtime US business that is being taxed out of existence.....sad. > JIm Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Click now and tackle the dirtiest jobs with the power of a steam cleaner! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTGQG4Fl9spmpE0WpXA7H1bj7D6fcFF8CNYQgh9FOn1Wq17A28WH2/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From johntrav at suddenlink.net Thu Mar 5 13:02:05 2009 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Thu Mar 5 13:03:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe MM5 Jukebox References: <4090448C568C448FB77ACF17760A2B66@UserPC> Message-ID: I sell mine reconditioned with new lamps, needles, title strips and 100 used records for $800.00, cash only. Hope this helps. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "cbarna" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe MM5 Jukebox John, I Googled the "Rowe AMI MM5" Jukebox and I found a site with your name and email on it. I hope you don't mind me emailing you. I have a Rowe AMI, model MM5 with dozens of older 45's in it that my friend gave me before he left for South Carolina. He told me I could sell if I wanted to and I was thinking about putting it on ebay or the local "Treasure Hunt Magazine" but I don't know what to ask for it. It looks like it's in really good shape and works perfectly. Do you know anything about them or know anyone who could help me out? Thanks for your time, Mike Barna _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 16:12:26 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Mar 5 16:13:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 1000 No Sound In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <476720.79249.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 3/5/09, dvachon wrote: > Hi Jay, I did what you suggested and I got a single > crackling noise but no hum. > Does this mean like you said, It could be stuck in the > microphone position? It could mean a break in the cable going from the pickup to the amp. Try the same test where that cable plugs into the amp. I'm assuming its an RCA jack as most are (I'm no expert on background machines). If you touch the center connector in the jack as before, you should hear a prominent hum. Is a microphone actually connected? I recall your original message said the mike jack "seemed" to work. From amiseeburg at comcast.net Thu Mar 5 17:10:18 2009 From: amiseeburg at comcast.net (Gary G.) Date: Thu Mar 5 17:17:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1436 magizine motor help Message-ID: Hi my rockola 1436 magazine motor runs slow,I hav taken it apart and cleaned and lubed it. Thanks gary From jay at west.net Thu Mar 5 19:06:37 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Mar 5 19:07:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US In-Reply-To: <20090301.170956.23837.2@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090301.170956.23837.2@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <49B0933D.5070401@west.net> James Alexander wrote: > > Please note: forwarded message attached There was an attached PDF file describing this in detail. I've posted it here: http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/roweletter.pdf -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Trollmasters at webtv.net Thu Mar 5 20:35:05 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Thu Mar 5 20:36:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1436 magizine motor help In-Reply-To: "Gary G." 's message of Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:10:18 -0500 Message-ID: <26435-49B0A7F9-2478@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Just the magazine motor ? How does the transfer arm motor run? Have you replaced the old selenium rectifier in the power supply? If so, you may need to replace your magazine motor. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From edinman at earthlink.net Thu Mar 5 19:17:46 2009 From: edinman at earthlink.net (Ed Inman) Date: Thu Mar 5 20:38:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US Message-ID: <5061767.1236309466581.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Are Rock-Ola's still assembled in Torrance, CA? Are they the last U.S. made jukebox? just curious, Ed -----Original Message----- >From: Jay Hennigan >>> >> Please note: forwarded message attached >http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/roweletter.pdf From rcnet at pacbell.net Thu Mar 5 20:54:45 2009 From: rcnet at pacbell.net (Robert Cohen) Date: Thu Mar 5 21:02:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US In-Reply-To: <3154d3690903051052k320c216ak4c78b76be2f83a5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <592650.53289.qm@web80604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The press release is kind of vague, but it sounds like Rowe 'corporate' will still be based in the U.S. Its the manufacturing thats relocating. You know, corporate synergy and all tha I think having a dirt cheap labor force might have something to do with it. Im sure you could find a job with Rowe in Mexico for $10 a day putting together box's. > > > > Received: from [66.90.229.20] by > webmail24.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: > > Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:48:22 GMT > > X-Originating-IP: [66.90.229.20] > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > From: "James Alexander" > > > Full-Name: James Alexander > > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:48:22 GMT > > To: jay@west.net > > Subject: RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US > > X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 > > Message-Id: > <20090301.014822.23159.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> > > Content-Type: > multipart/mixed;boundary="--__JWM__J305c.23d5S.5fe8M" > > > > Jay: > > Just wanted to post this for the list. Justin > Stephens posted pix from the > > IUE labor union local last week about the last CD > jukeboxes coming off the > > assembly line at Rowe in Grand Rapids MI. > > Attached is a business announcement from trade > publication Vending Times > > about Rowe and Merit's (mfr of tabletop game > systems) closing down their > > production facility in the US and moving it to Mexico. > > Another longtime US business that is being taxed out > of existence.....sad. > > JIm Alexander > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Click now and tackle the dirtiest jobs with the power > of a steam cleaner! > > > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTGQG4Fl9spmpE0WpXA7H1bj7D6fcFF8CNYQgh9FOn1Wq17A28WH2/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Thu Mar 5 22:58:20 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Mar 5 22:59:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US In-Reply-To: <592650.53289.qm@web80604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <592650.53289.qm@web80604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B0C98C.5010401@telus.net> Robert Cohen wrote: > The press release is kind of vague, but it sounds like Rowe 'corporate' will still be based in the U.S. Its the manufacturing thats relocating. > You know, corporate synergy and all tha > I think having a dirt cheap labor force might have something to do with it. > Im sure you could find a job with Rowe in Mexico for $10 a day putting together box's. > > Wurlitzer tried making jukeboxes in Mexico about five or so years ago. According to my source every single machine had to be worked on when it arrived in the US. They stopped production south of your border as a result. John :-#)# >>> Received: from [66.90.229.20] by >>> >> webmail24.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: >> >>> Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:48:22 GMT >>> X-Originating-IP: [66.90.229.20] >>> Mime-Version: 1.0 >>> From: "James Alexander" >>> >> >> >>> Full-Name: James Alexander >>> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:48:22 GMT >>> To: jay@west.net >>> Subject: RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US >>> X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 >>> Message-Id: >>> >> <20090301.014822.23159.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> >> >>> Content-Type: >>> >> multipart/mixed;boundary="--__JWM__J305c.23d5S.5fe8M" >> >>> Jay: >>> Just wanted to post this for the list. Justin >>> >> Stephens posted pix from the >> >>> IUE labor union local last week about the last CD >>> >> jukeboxes coming off the >> >>> assembly line at Rowe in Grand Rapids MI. >>> Attached is a business announcement from trade >>> >> publication Vending Times >> >>> about Rowe and Merit's (mfr of tabletop game >>> >> systems) closing down their >> >>> production facility in the US and moving it to Mexico. >>> Another longtime US business that is being taxed out >>> >> of existence.....sad. >> >>> JIm Alexander >>> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >>> Click now and tackle the dirtiest jobs with the power >>> >> of a steam cleaner! >> >>> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTGQG4Fl9spmpE0WpXA7H1bj7D6fcFF8CNYQgh9FOn1Wq17A28WH2/ >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> >>> >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 01:48:13 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Mar 6 01:49:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US In-Reply-To: <49B0933D.5070401@west.net> References: <20090301.170956.23837.2@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> <49B0933D.5070401@west.net> Message-ID: <3154d3690903060148y29fd1308pfb9b84f684bb60e2@mail.gmail.com> http://www.buffalonews.com/267/story/592268.html It appears the museum was still there 2006 It was 1989 I was there. There were people who had worked there since the forties. In a nearby furniture factory that had closed down I found a NOS Singing Towers cabinet. They carry a long tradition, going back more than a century. Are they still using the AMI brand for their internet jukeboxes? Jens On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > James Alexander wrote: > >> >> Please note: forwarded message attached >> > > There was an attached PDF file describing this in detail. I've posted it > here: > > http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/roweletter.pdf > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV- Show > quoted text - > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From gibson510 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 6 04:19:05 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Fri Mar 6 04:20:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] clearing out inventory Message-ID: Sorry, that might have helped if I put where they were. Springfield MA Rick Where are the machines located? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme From johntrav at suddenlink.net Fri Mar 6 05:06:58 2009 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Fri Mar 6 05:08:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US References: <20090301.170956.23837.2@webmail14.vgs.untd.com><49B0933D.5070401@west.net> <3154d3690903060148y29fd1308pfb9b84f684bb60e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70ED77F6A56E4F0C9067E2F224A6C082@JOHNTRAV> American Musical Instruments (AMI) began in the early 1900's and produced player pianos in the old plant. Like most of their competitors, AMI didn't build the pianos, only the player actions which they added to pianos made by others, When the Victrola and radio killed the player piano market, AMI switched to jukeboxes. AMI and Johnson Furniture who built the cabinets were fixtures in Grand Rapids for many years. It's a shame to see them gone. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US > http://www.buffalonews.com/267/story/592268.html > It appears the museum was still there 2006 > It was 1989 I was there. There were people who had worked there since the > forties. > In a nearby furniture factory that had closed down I found a NOS Singing > Towers cabinet. > > They carry a long tradition, going back more than a century. > Are they still using the AMI brand for their internet jukeboxes? > > Jens > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > >> James Alexander wrote: >> >>> >>> Please note: forwarded message attached >>> >> >> There was an attached PDF file describing this in detail. I've posted it >> here: >> >> http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/roweletter.pdf >> >> -- >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV- Show >> quoted text - >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 08:47:11 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 6 08:48:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US Message-ID: <496513.44170.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Many Companies have attempted a move to Mexico. I don't know what the "success rate" is, but I do know several have failed, and come back to the USA. The latest one (besides Rowe), that I know of is, "Hershey's"--Yep--Mexican chocolates are?a comin' (I was given an assortment box this Christmas- they were good)--- I was unaware of Wurly's attempt, other then the 105 "repro" "Sonata"--but I do think that "Sonata" was a Mexican company that bought the "jigs" from Wurly ( then sold them to Rock/ola)--Also, "Seeburgs" were (are still?), made in Mexico, by "Universal"--who ever that iz-----Ron Rich --- On Thu, 3/5/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fw: RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 10:58 PM Robert Cohen wrote: > The press release is kind of vague, but it sounds like Rowe 'corporate' will still be based in the U.S. Its the manufacturing thats relocating. You know, corporate synergy and all tha > I think having a dirt cheap labor force might have something to do with it. > Im sure you could find a job with Rowe in Mexico for $10 a day putting together box's. > >??? Wurlitzer tried making jukeboxes in Mexico about five or so years ago. According to my source every single machine had to be worked on when it arrived in the US. They stopped production south of your border as a result. John :-#)# >>> Received: from [66.90.229.20] by >>>? ? ??? >> webmail24.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: >>? ??? >>> Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:48:22 GMT >>> X-Originating-IP: [66.90.229.20] >>> Mime-Version: 1.0 >>> From: "James Alexander" >>>? ? ??? >> >>? ??? >>> Full-Name: James Alexander >>> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:48:22 GMT >>> To: jay@west.net >>> Subject: RE:???Rowe closing up shop in the US >>> X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 >>> Message-Id: >>>? ? ??? >> <20090301.014822.23159.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> >>? ??? >>> Content-Type: >>>? ? ??? >> multipart/mixed;boundary="--__JWM__J305c.23d5S.5fe8M" >>? ??? >>> Jay: >>> Just wanted to post this for the list.? Justin >>>? ? ??? >> Stephens posted pix from the >>? ??? >>> IUE labor union local last week about the last CD >>>? ? ??? >> jukeboxes coming off the >>? ??? >>> assembly line at Rowe in Grand Rapids MI. >>> Attached is a business announcement from trade >>>? ? ??? >> publication Vending Times >>? ??? >>> about Rowe and Merit's (mfr of tabletop game >>>? ? ??? >> systems) closing down their >>? ??? >>> production facility in the US and moving it to Mexico. >>> Another longtime US business that is being taxed out >>>? ? ??? >> of existence.....sad. >>? ??? >>> JIm Alexander >>> >>>? ? ??? >> ____________________________________________________________ >>? ??? >>> Click now and tackle the dirtiest jobs with the power >>>? ? ??? >> of a steam cleaner! >>? ??? >>>? ? ??? >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTGQG4Fl9spmpE0WpXA7H1bj7D6fcFF8CNYQgh9FOn1Wq17A28WH2/ >>? ??? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> >>>? ? ??? >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>? ??? >>>? ? ??? >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>? ??? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >??? -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 08:53:02 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 6 08:54:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US Message-ID: <985585.71740.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, Has "Johnson" disappeared too? If so, who built the last cabinets? For some reason, I think that I saw a tag on a Rowe CDRN cabinet that said?"Klein Piano".? Ron Rich ? ? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, John Travelletti wrote: From: John Travelletti Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 5:06 AM American Musical Instruments (AMI) began in the early 1900's and produced player pianos in the old plant. Like most of their competitors, AMI didn't build the pianos, only the player actions which they added to pianos made by others, When the Victrola and radio killed the player piano market, AMI switched to jukeboxes. AMI and Johnson Furniture who built the cabinets were fixtures in Grand Rapids for many years. It's a shame to see them gone. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US > http://www.buffalonews.com/267/story/592268.html > It appears the museum was still there 2006 > It was 1989 I was there. There were people who had worked there since the > forties. > In a nearby furniture factory that had closed down I found a NOS Singing > Towers cabinet. > > They carry a long tradition, going back more than a century. > Are they still using the AMI brand for their internet jukeboxes? > >???Jens > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > >> James Alexander wrote: >> >>> >>> Please note: forwarded message attached >>> >> >> There was an attached PDF file describing this in detail.? I've posted it >> here: >> >> http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/roweletter.pdf >> >> -- >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >> Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV- Show >> quoted text - >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobe at halted.com Fri Mar 6 10:53:19 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Fri Mar 6 11:06:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090306185319.0099e710@hsces.com> At 07:06 AM 3/6/2009 -0600, you wrote: >American Musical Instruments (AMI) I thought it was Automatic Musical Instruments. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From mrothma at emory.edu Fri Mar 6 12:08:54 2009 From: mrothma at emory.edu (Michael Rothman) Date: Fri Mar 6 12:35:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 30's Rock-Olas Lock/Key Information Message-ID: <20090306150854.v88d35ui7kok8gw8@webmail.service.emory.edu> Hi Everyone, I'm trying to gather some information on the original lock/key numbers of the 30's Rock-Ola jukeboxes. This information seems to be known for the 40's machines and up, but I've never come across this info for the 30's wooden Rock-Olas (e.g., Model A, Model B, Rhythm King, Rhythm Master, etc.). Is there anyone out there who has any of this info or can refer me to someone who can help? Thanks very much! Michael Rothman in Lilburn, GA From pinball at telus.net Fri Mar 6 12:50:44 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Mar 6 12:51:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 30's Rock-Olas Lock/Key Information In-Reply-To: <20090306150854.v88d35ui7kok8gw8@webmail.service.emory.edu> References: <20090306150854.v88d35ui7kok8gw8@webmail.service.emory.edu> Message-ID: <49B18CA4.3090002@telus.net> Michael Rothman wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm trying to gather some information on the original lock/key numbers > of the 30's Rock-Ola jukeboxes. This information seems to be known for > the 40's machines and up, but I've never come across this info for the > 30's wooden Rock-Olas (e.g., Model A, Model B, Rhythm King, Rhythm > Master, etc.). Is there anyone out there who has any of this info or > can refer me to someone who can help? > > Thanks very much! > > Michael Rothman in Lilburn, GA The lock expert is Jack Prince. Jack Prince (716) 694-3254, Tonawanda, John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From evergreener at juno.com Fri Mar 6 13:08:12 2009 From: evergreener at juno.com (evergreener@juno.com) Date: Fri Mar 6 13:10:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Quarters and records Message-ID: <20090306.130812.13486.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Alright- so I was searching through the quarter sack on my M100B (for the two silver quarters it came with) and thought -man there's a lot of quarters here (290 to be exact) but the sack barely had the bottom covered. So I thought- why is the sack so big? If you ran a weekly route, could you really fill that bag with quarters in a week? At 3 plays per quarter, that's a lot of plays, and usually only like 1/3rd of the records are "any good" so how many plays did the top 30% get each week, and how long would they last in a productive location? Juke route operators..... lets have the scoop! Matthew ____________________________________________________________ Get free info on finding the holistic medicine school nearest you. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsM4D0YRbOJIM4fILhlxd79dEWITq8MIb26p7qMs5jutPh2ujxNzF2/ From jay at west.net Fri Mar 6 13:26:05 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Mar 6 13:27:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Quarters and records In-Reply-To: <20090306.130812.13486.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090306.130812.13486.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <49B194ED.2050105@west.net> evergreener@juno.com wrote: > Alright- so I was searching through the quarter sack on my M100B (for the two silver quarters it came with) and thought -man there's a lot of quarters here (290 to be exact) but the sack barely had the bottom covered. So I thought- why is the sack so big? If you ran a weekly route, could you really fill that bag with quarters in a week? At 3 plays per quarter, that's a lot of plays, and usually only like 1/3rd of the records are "any good" so how many plays did the top 30% get each week, and how long would they last in a productive location? Juke route operators..... lets have the scoop! M100B was typically nickel-play, 6 for a quarter in its heyday. 20 3-minute songs per hour, 8 hours per day, 7 days per week = 1120 plays, 187 quarters. You would probably get a lot of nickels and dimes mixed in. Also keep in mind that information on selected songs not yet played is hidden from the customer. If several people select G-7, the box plays it once but collects several nickels. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 13:27:13 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 6 13:28:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US Message-ID: <931005.52759.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, That depended on whom owned it--when--I think--last, oner prior to Rowe, it was just AMi Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Bob Ellingson wrote: From: Bob Ellingson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:53 AM At 07:06 AM 3/6/2009 -0600, you wrote: >American Musical Instruments (AMI) I thought it was Automatic Musical Instruments. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson??? ??? ??? ??? ??? bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc.??? ??? ??? http://www.halted..com 3500 Ryder St.??? ??? ??? ??? ??? (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051? USA??? ??? ??? (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 13:51:17 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 6 13:52:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 30's Rock-Olas Lock/Key Information Message-ID: <833818.22160.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Michael, Did you look at "Tom's List"--don't know for sure, but I thought he may have posted that "stuff" ?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Michael Rothman wrote: From: Michael Rothman Subject: [Jukebox-list] 30's Rock-Olas Lock/Key Information To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 12:08 PM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Hi Everyone, I'm trying to gather some information on the original lock/key numbers of the 30's Rock-Ola jukeboxes. This information seems to be known for the 40's machines and up, but I've never come across this info for the 30's wooden Rock-Olas (e.g., Model A, Model B, Rhythm King, Rhythm Master, etc.). Is there anyone out there who has any of this info or can refer me to someone who can help? Thanks very much! Michael Rothman in Lilburn, GA _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 14:07:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 6 14:08:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Quarters and records Message-ID: <86900.23420.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Matthew, >From your question, I assume that you are very young ! First of all, a 1950 Seeburg? M100B would not have had a cashbox full of quarters. It would have had mostly nickels, a lot of dimes, and few quarters, as? very few people in those days had more then one quarter in their pocket !? When that phono came out in 1949, it was priced at one play for 5 cents, two, or sometimes 3 for a DIME, and 5 or 6 for a QUARTER. Therefore, a full bag would have had far less value, and would have also taken longer to "fill up", with the smaller coins. I can't tell you how much the money count in dollars was for a full bag, as I am too young to have ever emptied one-- (feels great to type that !)? Ron Rich r@juno.com wrote: From: evergreener@juno.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Quarters and records To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:08 PM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Alright- so I was searching through the quarter sack on my M100B (for the two silver quarters it came with) and thought -man there's a lot of quarters here (290 to be exact) but the sack barely had the bottom covered. So I thought- why is the sack so big? If you ran a weekly route, could you really fill that bag with quarters in a week? At 3 plays per quarter, that's a lot of plays, and usually only like 1/3rd of the records are "any good" so how many plays did the top 30% get each week, and how long would they last in a productive location? Juke route operators..... lets have the scoop! Matthew ____________________________________________________________ Get free info on finding the holistic medicine school nearest you. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsM4D0YRbOJIM4fILhlxd79dEWITq8MIb26p7qMs5jutPh2ujxNzF2/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 15:00:36 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Mar 6 15:01:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US In-Reply-To: <985585.71740.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <985585.71740.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, I just delivered a CD51A toto a party rental, and the sticker inside it has a Kimball Piano sticker as the cabinet maker. Date of manufacture for this unit was circa 1994. Thomas On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > John, > Has "Johnson" disappeared too? If so, who built the last cabinets? For some > reason, I think that I saw a tag on a Rowe CDRN cabinet that said "Klein > Piano". Ron Rich > > > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, John Travelletti wrote: > > > From: John Travelletti > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 5:06 AM > > > American Musical Instruments (AMI) began in the early 1900's and produced > player pianos in the old plant. Like most of their competitors, AMI didn't > build the pianos, only the player actions which they added to pianos made > by > others, When the Victrola and radio killed the player piano market, AMI > switched to jukeboxes. AMI and Johnson Furniture who built the cabinets > were > fixtures in Grand Rapids for many years. It's a shame to see them gone. > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jens Hultgren" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US > > > > http://www.buffalonews.com/267/story/592268.html > > It appears the museum was still there 2006 > > It was 1989 I was there. There were people who had worked there since the > > forties. > > In a nearby furniture factory that had closed down I found a NOS Singing > > Towers cabinet. > > > > They carry a long tradition, going back more than a century. > > Are they still using the AMI brand for their internet jukeboxes? > > > > Jens > > > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > > > >> James Alexander wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Please note: forwarded message attached > >>> > >> > >> There was an attached PDF file describing this in detail. I've posted > it > >> here: > >> > >> http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/roweletter.pdf > >> > >> -- > >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > >> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV- Show > >> quoted text - > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 15:24:17 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Fri Mar 6 15:25:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ROWE cabinets Message-ID: <125278.26735.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My 2 cents... Rowe got Kimball piano Company to build the 'bubbler' cabinet here in Indiana, because of the quality of their work. Rose-Johnson was building the regular cabinets. Rowe then asked Kimball to build all of the cabinets. Rose-Johnson got mad and sued them over it. Its hard to say what your cabinet says on it now. John the Jukebox Man From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 15:37:45 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 6 15:38:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US Message-ID: <484770.12040.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thomas, Well-my memory strikes again--"Kimball", not "Klein"-- thanks, Thomas. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 3:00 PM Ron, I just delivered a CD51A toto a party rental, and the sticker inside it has a Kimball Piano sticker as the cabinet maker. Date of manufacture for this unit was circa 1994. Thomas On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > John, > Has "Johnson" disappeared too? If so, who built the last cabinets? For some > reason, I think that I saw a tag on a Rowe CDRN cabinet that said "Klein > Piano".? Ron Rich > > > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, John Travelletti wrote: > > > From: John Travelletti > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 5:06 AM > > > American Musical Instruments (AMI) began in the early 1900's and produced > player pianos in the old plant. Like most of their competitors, AMI didn't > build the pianos, only the player actions which they added to pianos made > by > others, When the Victrola and radio killed the player piano market, AMI > switched to jukeboxes. AMI and Johnson Furniture who built the cabinets > were > fixtures in Grand Rapids for many years. It's a shame to see them gone. > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jens Hultgren" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US > > > > http://www.buffalonews.com/267/story/592268.html > > It appears the museum was still there 2006 > > It was 1989 I was there. There were people who had worked there since the > > forties. > > In a nearby furniture factory that had closed down I found a NOS Singing > > Towers cabinet. > > > > They carry a long tradition, going back more than a century. > > Are they still using the AMI brand for their internet jukeboxes? > > > >???Jens > > > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > > > >> James Alexander wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Please note: forwarded message attached > >>> > >> > >> There was an attached PDF file describing this in detail.? I've posted > it > >> here: > >> > >> http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/roweletter.pdf > >> > >> -- > >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > >> Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV- Show > >> quoted text - >? >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 16:10:43 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 6 16:12:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US Message-ID: <423528.58532.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jens, As far as I know-yes, for music content-not the JB itself, which is still "Rowe", but it's "ami" rather than "AMi"--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:48 AM http://www.buffalonews.com/267/story/592268.html It appears the museum was still there 2006 It was 1989 I was there. There were people who had worked there since the forties. In a nearby furniture factory that had closed down I found a NOS Singing Towers cabinet. They carry a long tradition, going back more than a century. Are they still using the AMI brand for their internet jukeboxes? ???Jens On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > James Alexander wrote: > >> >> Please note: forwarded message attached >> > > There was an attached PDF file describing this in detail.? I've posted it > here: > > http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/roweletter.pdf > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV- Show > quoted text - > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Fri Mar 6 17:08:15 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David) Date: Fri Mar 6 17:10:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY model question Message-ID: <004f01c99ec1$31e77960$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Could anybody shed some light on a Seeburg AY 160. It has a "SA-2" suffix. AY160 SA-2. Is the SA-2 of any significance? David G. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 17:22:21 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 6 17:23:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY model question Message-ID: <194810.40459.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes, of course--S="Single price"--A=Autospeed---2= Type of pricing unit used Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/6/09, David wrote: From: David Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY model question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 5:08 PM Could anybody shed some light on a Seeburg AY 160. It has a "SA-2" suffix. AY160 SA-2. Is the SA-2 of any significance? David G. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Fri Mar 6 17:41:41 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David) Date: Fri Mar 6 17:44:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY model question References: <194810.40459.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005701c99ec5$dd6fb000$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Thanks Ron. David G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY model question > Yes, of course--S="Single price"--A=Autospeed---2= Type of pricing unit used Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, David wrote: > > From: David > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY model question > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 5:08 PM > > Could anybody shed some light on a Seeburg AY 160. It has a "SA-2" suffix. AY160 SA-2. > Is the SA-2 of any significance? > > David G. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1984 - Release Date: 3/4/09 7:17 PM > > From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Fri Mar 6 17:45:31 2009 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Fri Mar 6 17:46:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY model question In-Reply-To: <194810.40459.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090307014528.XZZM27554.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Sorry for lurking here, but my opinion here is to leave/not use the autospeed unit. It's a lot of heat and voltage in a bad area of the cabinet if you never need it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:22 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY model question Yes, of course--S="Single price"--A=Autospeed---2= Type of pricing unit used Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/6/09, David wrote: From: David Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY model question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 5:08 PM Could anybody shed some light on a Seeburg AY 160. It has a "SA-2" suffix. AY160 SA-2. Is the SA-2 of any significance? David G. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 19:08:51 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Mar 6 19:09:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Quarters and records In-Reply-To: <20090306.130812.13486.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <608866.78720.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, evergreener@juno.com wrote: > So I thought- > why is the sack so big? If you ran a weekly route, could you > really fill that bag with quarters in a week? Doubtful that you would fill it, but you'd want to have enough of a drop from the slug ejector exit chute to the coin bag to ensure that a pile of coins (since anything dropped like this forms a bell curve-shaped pile at the bottom) would not block the chute, thereby interfering with the function of the coin mechanism. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 19:30:28 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 6 19:31:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY model question Message-ID: <726092.30514.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Chris, If it's? the ASU, I'd agree, but, IMHO, the TASU is fine. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Chris Manuel wrote: From: Chris Manuel Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY model question To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 5:45 PM Sorry for lurking here, but my opinion here is to leave/not use the autospeed unit.? It's a lot of heat and voltage in a bad area of the cabinet if you never need it.? Chris -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:22 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY model question Yes, of course--S="Single price"--A=Autospeed---2= Type of pricing unit used Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/6/09, David wrote: From: David Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY model question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 5:08 PM Could anybody shed some light on a Seeburg AY 160. It has a "SA-2" suffix. AY160 SA-2. Is the SA-2 of any significance? David G. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 19:35:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 6 19:36:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Quarters and records Message-ID: <272153.94691.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave, I don't think that I have ever seen a "bell curve" in a cashbag--and I have emptied many cashbags?? I think that being cloth, it would allow the coins to shift, thus forming a flatter surface?? I dono?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/6/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Quarters and records To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:08 PM --- On Fri, 3/6/09, evergreener@juno.com wrote: > So I thought- > why is the sack so big? If you ran a weekly route, could you > really fill that bag with quarters in a week? Doubtful that you would fill it, but you'd want to have enough of a drop from the slug ejector exit chute to the coin bag to ensure that a pile of coins (since anything dropped like this forms a bell curve-shaped pile at the bottom) would not block the chute, thereby interfering with the function of the coin mechanism. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 19:38:03 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Mar 6 19:39:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Quarters and records In-Reply-To: <20090306.130812.13486.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090306.130812.13486.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Seems a little excessive for machines back then, but in this day and age, maybe not if the machine is in a prime location and serviced maybe every 2 or 3 weeks. I have been out on a service call more than once for a bill acceptor that wasn't working, only to find that the 500 or even 1000 bill bill stacker was full to the point that the machine COULDN'T take another bill. Doesn't seem unreasonable for the coin bag to fill up just as fast. But like I said, that is with THIS generation of jukes where pricing is typically at 3 plays (or less) for a dollar. Maybe they were just more optimistic way back then... :) Thomas On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM, evergreener@juno.com wrote: > Alright- so I was searching through the quarter sack on my M100B (for the > two silver quarters it came with) and thought -man there's a lot of quarters > here (290 to be exact) but the sack barely had the bottom covered. So I > thought- why is the sack so big? If you ran a weekly route, could you really > fill that bag with quarters in a week? At 3 plays per quarter, that's a lot > of plays, and usually only like 1/3rd of the records are "any good" so how > many plays did the top 30% get each week, and how long would they last in a > productive location? Juke route operators..... lets have the scoop! > Matthew > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get free info on finding the holistic medicine school nearest you. Click > now! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsM4D0YRbOJIM4fILhlxd79dEWITq8MIb26p7qMs5jutPh2ujxNzF2/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From ccos at knology.net Fri Mar 6 19:59:13 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Fri Mar 6 20:00:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Quarters and records In-Reply-To: References: <20090306.130812.13486.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <7C0AC041B5244287A88ECED181AC7601@CCOSPC> I have one on location, in the smallest bar in town, that the 1000 note acceptor fills completely every two weeks, and that's with $5's $10's and $20's in the mix. It doesn't even have a quarter slot. Shows how times they are a changin. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Teeter" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Quarters and records > Seems a little excessive for machines back then, but in this day and age, > maybe not if the machine is in a prime location and serviced maybe every 2 > or 3 weeks. I have been out on a service call more than once for a bill > acceptor that wasn't working, only to find that the 500 or even 1000 bill > bill stacker was full to the point that the machine COULDN'T take another > bill. Doesn't seem unreasonable for the coin bag to fill up just as fast. > But like I said, that is with THIS generation of jukes where pricing is > typically at 3 plays (or less) for a dollar. Maybe they were just more > optimistic way back then... :) > > Thomas > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM, evergreener@juno.com > wrote: > >> Alright- so I was searching through the quarter sack on my M100B (for the >> two silver quarters it came with) and thought -man there's a lot of >> quarters >> here (290 to be exact) but the sack barely had the bottom covered. So I >> thought- why is the sack so big? If you ran a weekly route, could you >> really >> fill that bag with quarters in a week? At 3 plays per quarter, that's a >> lot >> of plays, and usually only like 1/3rd of the records are "any good" so >> how >> many plays did the top 30% get each week, and how long would they last in >> a >> productive location? Juke route operators..... lets have the scoop! >> Matthew >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Get free info on finding the holistic medicine school nearest you. Click >> now! >> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsM4D0YRbOJIM4fILhlxd79dEWITq8MIb26p7qMs5jutPh2ujxNzF2/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 20:03:37 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Mar 6 20:04:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Quarters and records In-Reply-To: <272153.94691.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <396135.81511.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Ron Rich wrote: > I don't think that I have ever seen a "bell > curve" in a cashbag--and I have emptied many cashbags?? > I think that being cloth, it would allow the coins to shift, > thus forming a flatter surface?? I dono?? Sorry, I've been working with our documentation group all day. Ever read "The Bell Labs Style Guide"? :-) (OK, that's totally unrelated...) Speaking strictly theoretically, it's possible. I'd hate to be engineer that deprived an operator of revenue because I designed a cash bag that was too shallow! From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 20:05:51 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 6 20:06:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- Message-ID: <500543.83996.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I know--everything on eBay is "rare"--However this seller does not know that what he's selling is really rare--It's a set of "kit" DS Speakers designed to use with the LPC-1B model. I have only seen one pair in my life--that's what makes em "sooooorare"? Ron Rich From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 20:11:50 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 6 20:12:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Quarters and records Message-ID: <815205.55430.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Well---they did expand the cashbag to aprox. double? the size, beginning with the LPC series phonos--and? I can tell you from experiance, that you had better keep a "fresh" cashbag around, as you will not empty a full one too many times before it becomes weak and splits on you as you attempt to remove it."52 pick-up" anyone ??? on Rich --- On Fri, 3/6/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Quarters and records To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:03 PM --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Ron Rich wrote: > I don't think that I have ever seen a "bell > curve" in a cashbag--and I have emptied many cashbags?? > I think that being cloth, it would allow the coins to shift, > thus forming a flatter surface?? I dono?? Sorry, I've been working with our documentation group all day.? Ever read "The Bell Labs Style Guide"?? :-) (OK, that's totally unrelated...) Speaking strictly theoretically, it's possible.? I'd hate to be engineer that deprived an operator of revenue because I designed a cash bag that was too shallow! ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 20:13:00 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 6 20:15:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- Message-ID: <472488.16859.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Forgot the item # 120 387 800 802---sorry guys! Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:05 PM Hi All, I know--everything on eBay is "rare"--However this seller does not know that what he's selling is really rare--It's a set of "kit" DS Speakers designed to use with the LPC-1B model. I have only seen one pair in my life--that's what makes em "sooooorare"? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 20:22:24 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Mar 6 20:23:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US In-Reply-To: <484770.12040.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <874044.33455.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rowe is making a tremendous mistake. Mexico is disintegrating. Soon the government will not be able to protect property rights (as if they had much inclination or ability to do that in the first place). We'll be at war with thatever faction runs Mexico in the next decade. Skirmishes on the border. Riots in California and other southwestern states. Maybe even US occupation of much of northern Mexico. It won't be pretty. Maybe I'm just an alarmist. I hope so. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Mar 6 21:08:17 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Mar 6 21:09:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- In-Reply-To: <472488.16859.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <472488.16859.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090307050104.M58369@dwave.net> To me they look like the speakers in the DS brochure (black grill cloth). Although the ear speakers on my Dad's DS had a silver grill cloth http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20DS160%201961/? action=view¤t=p1172709.jpg I did see a pair on ebay a long time ago with a wood grain finish - would those not be for a LPC? Just putting the question out there. They would certanly look great on a LPC and they would sound great too! Jeremy Agema On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:13:00 -0800 (PST), Ron Rich wrote > Forgot the item # 120 387 800 802---sorry guys! Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > From: Ron Rich > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:05 PM > > Hi All, > I know--everything on eBay is "rare"--However this seller does not > know that what he's selling is really rare--It's a set of "kit" DS > Speakers designed to use with the LPC-1B model. I have only seen one > pair in my life--that's what makes em "sooooorare"? Ron Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 21:46:10 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Mar 6 21:47:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe closing up shop in the US In-Reply-To: <874044.33455.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <484770.12040.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <874044.33455.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: After so many years of seeing people moving from Mexico (legally or otherwise?) to the US in search of jobs, I think this is a bad sign for just how bad OUR economy might really be.... :) Thomas On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:22 PM, David Breneman wrote: > > Rowe is making a tremendous mistake. Mexico is > disintegrating. Soon the government will not be > able to protect property rights (as if they had > much inclination or ability to do that in the > first place). We'll be at war with thatever > faction runs Mexico in the next decade. > Skirmishes on the border. Riots in California > and other southwestern states. Maybe even > US occupation of much of northern Mexico. > It won't be pretty. Maybe I'm just an > alarmist. I hope so. > > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 09:06:02 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Mar 7 09:07:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- Message-ID: <673039.55749.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jeremy, Those on eBay now have the gray colored applique which is the LPC-1B color, the LPC-1 was the "wood grain" color, and the original DS (model phono) was "chrome". Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: From: Jeremy Agema Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:08 PM To me they look like the speakers in the DS brochure (black grill cloth). Although the ear speakers on my Dad's DS had a silver grill cloth http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20DS160%201961/? action=view¤t=p1172709.jpg I did see a pair on ebay a long time ago with a wood grain finish - would those not be for a LPC? Just putting the question out there. They would certanly look great on a LPC and they would sound great too! Jeremy Agema On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:13:00 -0800 (PST), Ron Rich wrote > Forgot the item # 120 387 800 802---sorry guys! Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > From: Ron Rich > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:05 PM > > Hi All, > I know--everything on eBay is "rare"--However this seller does not > know that what he's selling is really rare--It's a set of "kit" DS > Speakers designed to use with the LPC-1B model. I have only seen one > pair in my life--that's what makes em "sooooorare"? Ron Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rjpope at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 7 12:18:13 2009 From: rjpope at sbcglobal.net (Rodney J Pope) Date: Sat Mar 7 12:19:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <954502.65570.qm@web82606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am looking for 2 Conical Spring (Chassis Mount). Wurlitzer part # 61059 for a model 2610. Any help would be appreciated. ? Thanks ? Rod Pope From bobe at halted.com Sat Mar 7 12:54:13 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Sat Mar 7 13:07:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090307205413.0090196c@hsces.com> At 08:13 PM 3/6/2009 -0800, you wrote: >Forgot the item # 120 387 800 802---sorry guys! Ron Rich > >--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Ron Rich wrote: > >From: Ron Rich >Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:05 PM > >Hi All, >I know--everything on eBay is "rare"--However this seller does not know that what he's selling is really rare--It's a set of "kit" DS Speakers designed to use with the LPC-1B model. I have only seen one pair in my life--that's what makes em "sooooorare"? Ron Rich Well, slightly off-topic...is rarity the reason this radio is fetching this kind of attention, with one day left to go on the bidding? eBay item # 260370338779 By the way, the seller has mis-spelled the name, it is Espey, not "Epsey". --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From bobe at halted.com Sat Mar 7 12:54:12 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Sat Mar 7 13:07:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Quarters and records Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090307205412.0099c98c@hsces.com> At 08:03 PM 3/6/2009 -0800, David B. wrote: > >Speaking strictly theoretically, it's possible. I'd >hate to be engineer that deprived an operator of >revenue because I designed a cash bag that was too >shallow! > You want deep? Take a look at the cashbox on an AMI "E" model...it is about 4" square, but at least a foot deep! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From jeremy at dwave.net Sat Mar 7 15:13:39 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sat Mar 7 15:14:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- In-Reply-To: <673039.55749.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <673039.55749.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090307231246.M43678@dwave.net> Ahh, I knew there must be a reason. Thanks for the info and the auction number. They were neat to check out. Jeremy Agema On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 09:06:02 -0800 (PST), Ron Rich wrote > Jeremy, > Those on eBay now have the gray colored applique which is the LPC-1B > color, the LPC-1 was the "wood grain" color, and the original DS > (model phono) was "chrome". Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > From: Jeremy Agema > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:08 PM > > To me they look like the speakers in the DS brochure (black grill > cloth). Although the ear speakers on my Dad's DS had a silver grill > cloth > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20DS160% 201961/? > action=view¤t=p1172709.jpg > > I did see a pair on ebay a long time ago with a wood grain finish - > would those not be for a LPC? > > Just putting the question out there. > > They would certanly look great on a LPC and they would sound great too! > > Jeremy Agema > > On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:13:00 -0800 (PST), Ron Rich wrote > > Forgot the item # 120 387 800 802---sorry guys! Ron Rich > > > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > > > From: Ron Rich > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:05 PM > > > > Hi All, > > I know--everything on eBay is "rare"--However this seller does not > > know that what he's selling is really rare--It's a set of "kit" DS > > Speakers designed to use with the LPC-1B model. I have only seen one > > pair in my life--that's what makes em "sooooorare"? Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Sat Mar 7 15:17:31 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sat Mar 7 15:18:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20090307205413.0090196c@hsces.com> References: <2.2.32.20090307205413.0090196c@hsces.com> Message-ID: <20090307231538.M61879@dwave.net> Wow Bob, That is a neat radio! Thanks to working on jukes I am going to tackle a recap and repair on a Zenith AM radio (sister to the trans oceanic). Thanks for the auction number. Jeremy Agema On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:54:13 -0800, Bob Ellingson wrote > At 08:13 PM 3/6/2009 -0800, you wrote: > >Forgot the item # 120 387 800 802---sorry guys! Ron Rich > > > >--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > > >From: Ron Rich > >Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- > >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:05 PM > > > >Hi All, > >I know--everything on eBay is "rare"--However this seller does not know > that what he's selling is really rare--It's a set of "kit" DS > Speakers designed to use with the LPC-1B model. I have only seen one > pair in my life--that's what makes em "sooooorare"? Ron Rich > > Well, slightly off-topic...is rarity the reason this radio is > fetching this kind of attention, with one day left to go on the bidding? > > eBay item # 260370338779 > > By the way, the seller has mis-spelled the name, it is Espey, not "Epsey". > > --Bob > ======================================================================= > Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com > Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com > 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 > Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Carl.Lynne.Sullivan at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 16:05:35 2009 From: Carl.Lynne.Sullivan at gmail.com (Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com) Date: Sat Mar 7 16:06:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 518 AMP Question Message-ID: <000e0cd4d8e6fb138f04649046e3@google.com> I have a recapped AMP that has been working fine. I have been doing some work on the mechanism and took the mechanism out of the cabinet along with the AMP. I find it helpful to make adjustments. The AMP was working ok and then nothing. No power. I thought it was the switch because it sometimes needs to jockeying to get the unit to turn on. I checked the switched with a meter and power is going through the switch. I then put the AMP back into the cabinet and hooked up the florescent lights and they work. However, no light in the tubes or any power to the mechanism. Thoughts from anyone?? From amiseeburg at comcast.net Sat Mar 7 17:02:00 2009 From: amiseeburg at comcast.net (Gary G.) Date: Sat Mar 7 17:03:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 518 AMP Question In-Reply-To: <000e0cd4d8e6fb138f04649046e3@google.com> References: <000e0cd4d8e6fb138f04649046e3@google.com> Message-ID: <02D5C16D4A9B43E9BEB1F04F345C0014@DFGWHS81> Check for fuse blown or a bad rectifer tube -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:06 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] 518 AMP Question I have a recapped AMP that has been working fine. I have been doing some work on the mechanism and took the mechanism out of the cabinet along with the AMP. I find it helpful to make adjustments. The AMP was working ok and then nothing. No power. I thought it was the switch because it sometimes needs to jockeying to get the unit to turn on. I checked the switched with a meter and power is going through the switch. I then put the AMP back into the cabinet and hooked up the florescent lights and they work. However, no light in the tubes or any power to the mechanism. Thoughts from anyone?? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From amiseeburg at comcast.net Sat Mar 7 17:11:35 2009 From: amiseeburg at comcast.net (Gary G.) Date: Sat Mar 7 17:12:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 518 AMP Question In-Reply-To: <000e0cd4d8e6fb138f04649046e3@google.com> References: <000e0cd4d8e6fb138f04649046e3@google.com> Message-ID: Sory also check for a bad solder joint -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:06 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] 518 AMP Question I have a recapped AMP that has been working fine. I have been doing some work on the mechanism and took the mechanism out of the cabinet along with the AMP. I find it helpful to make adjustments. The AMP was working ok and then nothing. No power. I thought it was the switch because it sometimes needs to jockeying to get the unit to turn on. I checked the switched with a meter and power is going through the switch. I then put the AMP back into the cabinet and hooked up the florescent lights and they work. However, no light in the tubes or any power to the mechanism. Thoughts from anyone?? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From leezo27 at hotmail.co.uk Sat Mar 7 17:34:07 2009 From: leezo27 at hotmail.co.uk (lee Hunt) Date: Sat Mar 7 17:40:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Ebay no: 270353206627 Just a note of caution that this jukebox posted on ebay appears not to be genuine as I have asked to view this on numerous occasions and I have had no response. There is no reserve on this jukebox. With a feed back score of (0) I would be very careful if you intend to bid and pay for it after the auction before seeing it. I have been robbed like this before and I have always had jukes and dealt in jukes and I know that OMT's dont go that cheap! Hope im wrong! Take care folks. regards lee _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 17:45:47 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sat Mar 7 17:46:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay Message-ID: <303290.44645.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, Rock-Ola 1422 Does anyone remember which pins to connect at the "Coin Mechanism Receptacle Female Plug (6 pins)" for freeplay. This machine does not have any coin gear. If I rmember correctly it would be pins 5 and 6 which come from the "master Coin switch (if I had coin gear). I'll just use a male dummy plug to make the connection. TIA! David (Geritol Ghetto - Short Memory - Long Age From amiseeburg at comcast.net Sat Mar 7 17:47:43 2009 From: amiseeburg at comcast.net (Gary G.) Date: Sat Mar 7 17:48:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <347DEB44D1814DA0904C550AFF45B644@DFGWHS81> It's a cd version not a real 1015 but it is not portrayed as a real 1015 just a cd box -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of lee Hunt Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:34 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 Hi Everyone, Ebay no: 270353206627 Just a note of caution that this jukebox posted on ebay appears not to be genuine as I have asked to view this on numerous occasions and I have had no response. There is no reserve on this jukebox. With a feed back score of (0) I would be very careful if you intend to bid and pay for it after the auction before seeing it. I have been robbed like this before and I have always had jukes and dealt in jukes and I know that OMT's dont go that cheap! Hope im wrong! Take care folks. regards lee _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place - Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From leezo27 at hotmail.co.uk Sat Mar 7 17:51:21 2009 From: leezo27 at hotmail.co.uk (lee Hunt) Date: Sat Mar 7 17:52:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 In-Reply-To: <347DEB44D1814DA0904C550AFF45B644@DFGWHS81> References: <347DEB44D1814DA0904C550AFF45B644@DFGWHS81> Message-ID: Hi Yes i am aware its a CD OMT, what I was making the point on is that if somebody does not want you to look before you buy has something to hide!!! > From: amiseeburg@comcast.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:47:43 -0500 > > It's a cd version not a real 1015 but it is not portrayed as a real 1015 > just a cd box > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of lee Hunt > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:34 PM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Ebay no: 270353206627 > > > > Just a note of caution that this jukebox posted on ebay appears not to be > genuine as I have asked to view this on numerous occasions and I have had no > response. > > There is no reserve on this jukebox. > > With a feed back score of (0) I would be very careful if you intend to bid > and pay for it after the auction before seeing it. > > I have been robbed like this before and I have always had jukes and dealt in > jukes and I know that OMT's dont go that cheap! > > Hope im wrong! Take care folks. > > > > regards > > lee > > _________________________________________________________________ > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place - Learn more! > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/____________________________ > ___________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ All your Twitter and other social updates in one place http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ From amiseeburg at comcast.net Sat Mar 7 17:58:01 2009 From: amiseeburg at comcast.net (Gary G.) Date: Sat Mar 7 17:59:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay In-Reply-To: <303290.44645.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <303290.44645.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <565F232B64A14D9DB3939A5434ACB250@DFGWHS81> I always disable the credit removal solnoid and give a few credits that way they stay on. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of david wendell Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:46 PM To: jukebox list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay Hi All, Rock-Ola 1422 Does anyone remember which pins to connect at the "Coin Mechanism Receptacle Female Plug (6 pins)" for freeplay. This machine does not have any coin gear. If I rmember correctly it would be pins 5 and 6 which come from the "master Coin switch (if I had coin gear). I'll just use a male dummy plug to make the connection. TIA! David (Geritol Ghetto - Short Memory - Long Age _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 18:03:48 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sat Mar 7 18:04:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 In-Reply-To: References: <347DEB44D1814DA0904C550AFF45B644@DFGWHS81> Message-ID: If somebody with a feedback rating of zero posts anything of real value and won't let you view the machine prior to bidding, STAY AWAY! While I very seldom post machines for sale on Ebay anymore, I ENCOURAGE people to come out and view in person prior to placing a bid. Besides, something doesn't look right with the photos here- like maybe they were scanned from a sales brochure? Thomas On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 7:51 PM, lee Hunt wrote: > > Hi Yes i am aware its a CD OMT, what I was making the point on is that if > somebody does not want you to look before you buy has something to hide!!! > > > > > From: amiseeburg@comcast.net > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item > Number:270353206627 > > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:47:43 -0500 > > > > It's a cd version not a real 1015 but it is not portrayed as a real 1015 > > just a cd box > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of lee Hunt > > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:34 PM > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > Ebay no: 270353206627 > > > > > > > > Just a note of caution that this jukebox posted on ebay appears not to be > > genuine as I have asked to view this on numerous occasions and I have had > no > > response. > > > > There is no reserve on this jukebox. > > > > With a feed back score of (0) I would be very careful if you intend to > bid > > and pay for it after the auction before seeing it. > > > > I have been robbed like this before and I have always had jukes and dealt > in > > jukes and I know that OMT's dont go that cheap! > > > > Hope im wrong! Take care folks. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > lee > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place - Learn more! > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/____________________________ > > ___________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > All your Twitter and other social updates in one place > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 18:05:59 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sat Mar 7 18:07:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay In-Reply-To: <565F232B64A14D9DB3939A5434ACB250@DFGWHS81> Message-ID: <847581.56369.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gary, I should have added that I do not have the credit unit (accumulator) or the coin gear (Mexican Jukebox). I am almost certain I just connected two pins on the 6 pin socket which the credit unit plugs into on other Rock-Ola machines of this vintage. --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Gary G. wrote: > From: Gary G. > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay > To: dwaw12@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 6:58 PM > I always disable the credit removal solnoid and give a few > credits that way > they stay on. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf > Of david wendell > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:46 PM > To: jukebox list > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay > > > Hi All, > > Rock-Ola 1422 > > Does anyone remember which pins to connect at the > "Coin Mechanism Receptacle > Female Plug (6 pins)" for freeplay. This machine does > not have any coin > gear. If I rmember correctly it would be pins 5 and 6 > which come from the > "master Coin switch (if I had coin gear). I'll > just use a male dummy plug > to make the connection. TIA! > > David (Geritol Ghetto - Short Memory - Long Age > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From amiseeburg at comcast.net Sat Mar 7 18:10:37 2009 From: amiseeburg at comcast.net (Gary G.) Date: Sat Mar 7 18:11:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay In-Reply-To: <847581.56369.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <565F232B64A14D9DB3939A5434ACB250@DFGWHS81> <847581.56369.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9CA337087B4F4B16B423E2D031B25790@DFGWHS81> That may just work -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of david wendell Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 9:06 PM To: jukebox list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay Gary, I should have added that I do not have the credit unit (accumulator) or the coin gear (Mexican Jukebox). I am almost certain I just connected two pins on the 6 pin socket which the credit unit plugs into on other Rock-Ola machines of this vintage. --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Gary G. wrote: > From: Gary G. > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay > To: dwaw12@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" > > Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 6:58 PM I always disable the credit > removal solnoid and give a few credits that way they stay on. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of david > wendell > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:46 PM > To: jukebox list > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay > > > Hi All, > > Rock-Ola 1422 > > Does anyone remember which pins to connect at the "Coin Mechanism > Receptacle Female Plug (6 pins)" for freeplay. This machine does not > have any coin gear. If I rmember correctly it would be pins 5 and 6 > which come from the "master Coin switch (if I had coin gear). I'll > just use a male dummy plug to make the connection. TIA! > > David (Geritol Ghetto - Short Memory - Long Age > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Mar 7 19:08:13 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Mar 7 19:10:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 Message-ID: <20090307.220813.22237.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: A secondhand W1015 OMT-CD typically commands a resale price of $3,000 to $4,500. Cheaper-priced units will typically be units that have cabinet or front panel damage, or will be "high-mileage" units that have been in commercial service. The OMT's have been in production since 1988, so there's a lot of them out there. The walnut-finish model, as new, carries a lower cost (avg. $500 saving) over the more-limited edition Black and White gloss finish cabinets. Bid cautiously, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9C81TOyze5YL7l3C5oagtr5zkV9VOn4i5oHSqqxr0GJv0MGD4U/ From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat Mar 7 19:17:58 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat Mar 7 19:21:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay References: <303290.44645.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c99f9c$7bc0d780$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Jumper pins 1&4 (also jumper 5&6 if you want the light to stay on). Make sure the pushbuttons do not stick and that your fuse is of the correct value. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "david wendell" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:45 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay > > Hi All, > > Rock-Ola 1422 > > Does anyone remember which pins to connect at the "Coin Mechanism > Receptacle Female Plug (6 pins)" for freeplay. This machine does not have > any coin gear. If I rmember correctly it would be pins 5 and 6 which come > from the "master Coin switch (if I had coin gear). I'll just use a male > dummy plug to make the connection. TIA! > > David (Geritol Ghetto - Short Memory - Long Age > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Sat Mar 7 19:30:19 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sat Mar 7 19:31:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 In-Reply-To: <20090307.220813.22237.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090307.220813.22237.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <5FF2637C4E8543AB8B7AFD64255CDFE9@CCOSPC> Also remember that the earlier models carried 50 cd's not 100, unless they have been upgraded. Be sure to ask how many cd's the unit holds. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 Gentlemen: A secondhand W1015 OMT-CD typically commands a resale price of $3,000 to $4,500. Cheaper-priced units will typically be units that have cabinet or front panel damage, or will be "high-mileage" units that have been in commercial service. The OMT's have been in production since 1988, so there's a lot of them out there. The walnut-finish model, as new, carries a lower cost (avg. $500 saving) over the more-limited edition Black and White gloss finish cabinets. Bid cautiously, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9C81TOyze5YL7l3C5oagtr5zkV9VOn4i5oHSqqxr0GJv0MGD4U/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Sat Mar 7 19:37:07 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sat Mar 7 19:38:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Topic - Arcade Repairs Message-ID: Hi all, I repair various arcade equipment for commercial customers in my area. One of my customers, the owner of the local Stevie B's Pizza franchise, asked me about finding someone dependable to help with repairs in other areas, namely Newnan, GA. I don't travel that much, that far so I said I would ask around. This is primarily for video and redemption games. Contact me off list at ccos@knology.net if interested. Thanks, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 From jp_white at att.net Sat Mar 7 19:40:36 2009 From: jp_white at att.net (JP White) Date: Sat Mar 7 19:47:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] USC-1 Does not like Zeros Message-ID: <4F95FD54D8FA423788A1304B5572E713@DDXCLH71> I brought in a lady's USC-1 to repair last week and it seems to have one major problem. It will not accept any selection ending in zero. It will accept any other selection, play, and return the record properly. But if the third digit is zero, the re-set light comes on. I'm new to the micro log Seeburgs. Any recommendations? Thanks, JP From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 19:55:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Mar 7 19:56:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] USC-1 Does not like Zeros Message-ID: <731594.90956.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> JP, What happens if you play #101 ?? How about #144 ? ( I would also recomend a copy of the USC-1 Service Manual, and?IMHO, a copy of my "Seeburg Microlog Trouble Shooting Guide" (contact me off list-- ronnnrich@yahoo.com?Ron Rich --- On Sat, 3/7/09, JP White wrote: From: JP White Subject: [Jukebox-list] USC-1 Does not like Zeros To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 7:40 PM I brought in a lady's USC-1 to repair last week and it seems to have one major problem.? It will not accept any selection ending in zero.? It will accept any other selection, play, and return the record properly.? But if the third digit is zero, the re-set light comes on.? I'm new to the micro log Seeburgs.? Any recommendations? Thanks, JP _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Mar 8 01:28:09 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Mar 8 01:29:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 In-Reply-To: <5FF2637C4E8543AB8B7AFD64255CDFE9@CCOSPC> References: <20090307.220813.22237.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <5FF2637C4E8543AB8B7AFD64255CDFE9@CCOSPC> Message-ID: <001201c99fd0$31bd6700$95383500$@force9.co.uk> The one on Ebay is 100cd. What intrigues me is it has no reserve, and as it has no title cards in the picture, other than the Wurlitzer emblem ones, and it has the Ipod dock, suggests its brand new. So why put a brand new one on at zero reserve! (unless the pictures are brochure ones and the machine is really a shabby pile of junk - if it exists at all!) Nigel, UK. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of CCOS Sent: 08 March 2009 03:30 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 Also remember that the earlier models carried 50 cd's not 100, unless they have been upgraded. Be sure to ask how many cd's the unit holds. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 Gentlemen: A secondhand W1015 OMT-CD typically commands a resale price of $3,000 to $4,500. Cheaper-priced units will typically be units that have cabinet or front panel damage, or will be "high-mileage" units that have been in commercial service. The OMT's have been in production since 1988, so there's a lot of them out there. The walnut-finish model, as new, carries a lower cost (avg. $500 saving) over the more-limited edition Black and White gloss finish cabinets. Bid cautiously, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9C81TOyze5YL7l3C5oag tr5zkV9VOn4i5oHSqqxr0GJv0MGD4U/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 01:48:16 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Mar 8 01:49:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 Message-ID: <119460.84694.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nigel, and all, I spotted that two--I don't think "Ipod docks" have been around too many years--- IMHO--looks very "fishy" to me--? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 1:28 AM The one on Ebay is 100cd. What intrigues me is it has no reserve, and as it has no title cards in the picture, other than the Wurlitzer emblem ones, and it has the Ipod dock, suggests its brand new. So why put a brand new one on at zero reserve! (unless the pictures are brochure ones and the machine is really a shabby pile of junk - if it exists at all!) Nigel, UK. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of CCOS Sent: 08 March 2009 03:30 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 Also remember that the earlier models carried 50 cd's not 100, unless they have been upgraded. Be sure to ask how many cd's the unit holds. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 Gentlemen: A secondhand W1015 OMT-CD typically commands a resale price of? $3,000 to $4,500.? Cheaper-priced units will typically be units that have cabinet or front panel damage, or will be "high-mileage" units that have been in commercial service.???The OMT's have been in production since 1988, so there's a lot of them out there. The walnut-finish model, as new, carries a lower cost (avg. $500 saving) over the more-limited edition Black and White? gloss finish cabinets. Bid cautiously, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9C81TOyze5YL7l3C5oag tr5zkV9VOn4i5oHSqqxr0GJv0MGD4U/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johntrav at suddenlink.net Sun Mar 8 08:59:46 2009 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Sun Mar 8 09:01:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay References: <847581.56369.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Maybe Rockola is different, but on older Rowes, anytime there are credits, the lockbar solenoid on the keyboard is energized. On Rowe, this is not a "continous duty" solenoid which can and will fail if energized for long periods of time. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "david wendell" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 9:05 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay > > Gary, > > I should have added that I do not have the credit unit (accumulator) or > the coin gear (Mexican Jukebox). I am almost certain I just connected two > pins on the 6 pin socket which the credit unit plugs into on other > Rock-Ola machines of this vintage. > > > --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Gary G. wrote: > >> From: Gary G. >> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay >> To: dwaw12@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" >> >> Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 6:58 PM >> I always disable the credit removal solnoid and give a few >> credits that way >> they stay on. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf >> Of david wendell >> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:46 PM >> To: jukebox list >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> Rock-Ola 1422 >> >> Does anyone remember which pins to connect at the >> "Coin Mechanism Receptacle >> Female Plug (6 pins)" for freeplay. This machine does >> not have any coin >> gear. If I rmember correctly it would be pins 5 and 6 >> which come from the >> "master Coin switch (if I had coin gear). I'll >> just use a male dummy plug >> to make the connection. TIA! >> >> David (Geritol Ghetto - Short Memory - Long Age >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From alex at eyeballrecords.com Sun Mar 8 11:57:16 2009 From: alex at eyeballrecords.com (alex saavedra) Date: Sun Mar 8 12:04:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help me id this box? Message-ID: <4D768636-0899-4A44-9582-5B87725E547F@eyeballrecords.com> hi everyone, anyone have any idea what this is? http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/clt/1063195359.html thanks for your time. -a From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sun Mar 8 12:22:37 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sun Mar 8 12:23:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help me id this box? References: <4D768636-0899-4A44-9582-5B87725E547F@eyeballrecords.com> Message-ID: <5FFF6C0F4E684AE3BBBF39253694BADD@JUKEBUS> ...Looks like an AMI F120. See this link: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/AMI/AMI_F.htm#120 Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex saavedra" To: Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] help me id this box? hi everyone, anyone have any idea what this is? http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/clt/1063195359.html thanks for your time. -a _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 03/07/09 18:43:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 12:27:37 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Mar 8 12:28:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help me id this box? In-Reply-To: <5FFF6C0F4E684AE3BBBF39253694BADD@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <681290.22385.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > ...Looks like an AMI F120. See this link: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/AMI/AMI_F.htm#120 Yes, it's definitely an F, but it looks like it's been in either a fire or a flood (or both). I can't tell if that's soot or rust on the upper and lower grilles. From karl at columbuscoinopshop.com Thu Mar 5 14:43:07 2009 From: karl at columbuscoinopshop.com (Columbus Coin Op Shop) Date: Sun Mar 8 12:43:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Arcade Repair - Newnan, GA Message-ID: Hi all, A little off topic, but I repair equipment in my area for various businesses around town. Stevie B's Pizza is one of my customers and the owner has asked if I know of anyone in the Newnan/Atlanta area. That's a little far for me to travel. Sounded like they have mostly arcade games, few if any redemption games. If anyone on the list is interested, contact me off list ccos@knology.net . Thanks, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 From alex at eyeballrecords.com Sun Mar 8 12:59:42 2009 From: alex at eyeballrecords.com (alex saavedra) Date: Sun Mar 8 13:00:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help me id this box? In-Reply-To: <681290.22385.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <681290.22385.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: you guys are excellent. thanks for the id. i'll let everyone know how it looks in person. i've never attempted a juke project. do you think this machine would be a difficult one to start with? thanks again -a On Mar 8, 2009, at 3:27 PM, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Juke of Shrewsbury > wrote: > >> ...Looks like an AMI F120. See this link: >> http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/AMI/AMI_F.htm#120 > > Yes, it's definitely an F, but it looks like it's been in > either a fire or a flood (or both). I can't tell if > that's soot or rust on the upper and lower grilles. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From amiseeburg at comcast.net Sun Mar 8 13:04:49 2009 From: amiseeburg at comcast.net (Gary G.) Date: Sun Mar 8 13:05:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help me id this box? In-Reply-To: <4D768636-0899-4A44-9582-5B87725E547F@eyeballrecords.com> References: <4D768636-0899-4A44-9582-5B87725E547F@eyeballrecords.com> Message-ID: <471A18AC7D9949DEAB06F9EA56E702EB@DFGWHS81> Ami model 40 I think -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of alex saavedra Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:57 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] help me id this box? hi everyone, anyone have any idea what this is? http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/clt/1063195359.html thanks for your time. -a _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobe at halted.com Sun Mar 8 14:15:42 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Sun Mar 8 13:19:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help me id this box? In-Reply-To: References: <681290.22385.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B4357E.4060901@halted.com> alex saavedra wrote: > you guys are excellent. > thanks for the id. i'll let everyone know how it looks in person. > > i've never attempted a juke project. do you think this machine would > be a difficult one to start with? This generation of AMI has a reputation for being fairly easy to work on (with the possible exception of the button-bank switches up under the front top) as well as excellent sound, but I don't have direct experience of either (yet). Again, watch out for perished zip-cord, and watch that the various plugs from the mechanism are inserted into the correct sockets. Be careful with the decorative mechanism-cover (surrounding the turntable), as it is painted aluminum and nearly impossible to find a replacement. --Bob From seeburgt at pacbell.net Sun Mar 8 13:33:10 2009 From: seeburgt at pacbell.net (Tony Miller) Date: Sun Mar 8 13:40:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] USC-1 Does not like Zeros Message-ID: <20090308204055.9676CAAAC2@lists.netlojix.com> JP; Suspect the Data D oneshot in the black box: Q3708, Q3709, CR3708 through CR3710. Cheers, Tony Miller From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Mar 8 14:52:53 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Mar 8 14:56:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help me id this box? Message-ID: <20090308.175253.5925.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Alex: A word of caution--If it turns out that this AMI F model has been in a flood or exposed to fire, you are going to have a more difficult-than-average job on your hands to re-hab the machine. Major smoke damage will have a corrosive effect on steel, switch, relay contacts,soldered connections, etc. Long time exposure to high humidity-dampness will have the same effect. These are "gifts that will keep on giving", with a never-ending litany of service problems, despite your best effort. Go check out the machine, but if there is significant water/smoke damage, if it were me, I'd take a pass on it. If the price is right, It might be worthwhile as a "parts donor" unit. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ It's never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdjjBEGDp3L2DPl2fdvCaqsJox961ebQw19kxCR7HFNxM75vpF9Xy/ From dvachon at teksavvy.com Sun Mar 8 15:26:08 2009 From: dvachon at teksavvy.com (dvachon) Date: Sun Mar 8 15:27:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 1000 No Sound Message-ID: <6d217e6b20537128b202b3e5f61e0b92@teksavvy.com> Hi David, I did the test you suggested and there is no hum. I pulled the mech out and inspected the wires and there is no break from the cartridge to the input of the amp. The mute switch is functioning properly as well. The audio input is on the side of the amp. (BMA3-56) It has 3 connections. I used a small wire to check for hum and get nothing. I don't have the microphone. I was just assuming that it was in that mode because if I turn the mic volume up, I get the so called white noise. But turning the master volume up and down makes no difference in the little volume that I am getting. Thank you for your help, Doug -----Original message----- From: David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:12:26 -0500 To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 1000 No Sound > > --- On Thu, 3/5/09, dvachon wrote: > > > Hi Jay, I did what you suggested and I got a single > > crackling noise but no hum. > > Does this mean like you said, It could be stuck in the > > microphone position? > > It could mean a break in the cable going from the pickup > to the amp. Try the same test where that cable plugs into > the amp. I'm assuming its an RCA jack as most are (I'm > no expert on background machines). If you touch the > center connector in the jack as before, you should hear > a prominent hum. > > Is a microphone actually connected? I recall your > original message said the mike jack "seemed" to work. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sun Mar 8 16:07:55 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sun Mar 8 16:15:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help me id this box? In-Reply-To: <20090308.175253.5925.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090308.175253.5925.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CB6E59D933D812-D38-1F28@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> I paid $250 for my E, and cosmetically it's quite decent. On the F listed here, I'd offer the guy fifty bucks tops and hope to recoup that in parts. The deals are out there, just be patient. -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 4:52 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help me id this box? Alex: A word of caution--If it turns out that this AMI F model has been in a flood or exposed to fire, you are going to have a more difficult-than-average job on your hands to re-hab the machine. Major smoke damage will have a corrosive effect on steel, switch, relay contacts,soldered connections, etc. Long time exposure to high humidity-dampness will have the same effect. These are "gifts that will keep on giving", with a never-ending litany of service problems, despite your best effort. Go check out the machine, but if there is significant water/smoke damage, if it were me, I'd take a pass on it. If the price is right, It might be worthwhile as a "parts donor" unit. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ It's never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdjjBEGDp3L2DPl2fdvCaqsJox961ebQw19kxCR7HFNxM75vpF9Xy/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rjpope at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 8 17:05:31 2009 From: rjpope at sbcglobal.net (Rodney J Pope) Date: Sun Mar 8 17:06:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wuriitzer 2610 Message-ID: <585716.86405.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am thinking of refurbishing the side panels of my Wurlitzer 2610. Does anyone know if they are veneer or wood. ? Thanks ? Rod Pope From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 8 18:02:02 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Mar 8 18:05:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay References: <847581.56369.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c9a052$a8bcaeb0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> This is a 78 rpm machine without any latch solenoid. The only danger with this free play method is that the selector coil is energized as long as the button is held down. It's important to make sure the pushbuttons move freely, the selector circuit is not over-fused, and that you release the pushbuttons quickly. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Travelletti" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay > Maybe Rockola is different, but on older Rowes, anytime there are credits, > the lockbar solenoid on the keyboard is energized. On Rowe, this is not a > "continous duty" solenoid which can and will fail if energized for long > periods of time. > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david wendell" > To: "jukebox list" > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 9:05 PM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay > > >> >> Gary, >> >> I should have added that I do not have the credit unit (accumulator) or >> the coin gear (Mexican Jukebox). I am almost certain I just connected >> two pins on the 6 pin socket which the credit unit plugs into on other >> Rock-Ola machines of this vintage. >> >> >> --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Gary G. wrote: >> >>> From: Gary G. >>> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay >>> To: dwaw12@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" >>> >>> Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 6:58 PM >>> I always disable the credit removal solnoid and give a few >>> credits that way >>> they stay on. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >>> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf >>> Of david wendell >>> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:46 PM >>> To: jukebox list >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay >>> >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Rock-Ola 1422 >>> >>> Does anyone remember which pins to connect at the >>> "Coin Mechanism Receptacle >>> Female Plug (6 pins)" for freeplay. This machine does >>> not have any coin >>> gear. If I rmember correctly it would be pins 5 and 6 >>> which come from the >>> "master Coin switch (if I had coin gear). I'll >>> just use a male dummy plug >>> to make the connection. TIA! >>> >>> David (Geritol Ghetto - Short Memory - Long Age >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Sun Mar 8 18:36:50 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Mar 8 18:37:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 In-Reply-To: <001201c99fd0$31bd6700$95383500$@force9.co.uk> References: <20090307.220813.22237.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <5FF2637C4E8543AB8B7AFD64255CDFE9@CCOSPC> <001201c99fd0$31bd6700$95383500$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <49B472B2.3080403@telus.net> Nigel Pugh wrote: > The one on Ebay is 100cd. > What intrigues me is it has no reserve, and as it has no title cards in the > picture, other than the Wurlitzer emblem ones, and it has the Ipod dock, > suggests its brand new. So why put a brand new one on at zero reserve! > (unless the pictures are brochure ones and the machine is really a shabby > pile of junk - if it exists at all!) > > Nigel, UK. > The pictures do not appear in any brochures that I have had. Certainly Wurlitzer would never publish a picture of the iPod adapter simply sitting on top of the machine! These pictures are of someones machine. This machine appears to be a few years old - it has the I-84 amplifier that was discontinued in the early '00s - at least on the North American shipments. Perhaps the seller will publish the serial number? The first two digits of the German Wurlitzer serial number are the number of years after 1960, the next two are the month the machine was made, and I believe the last four are the number produced to that date... The basket is the 100 CD version. As for the title holders, they look complete - there are 60 pages and the machine normally came with 6 of the blank "Wurlitzer" title cards to make a nice look when first unpacked. The machine does appear to be in very good condition - that is the sides shown in the picture - pity the rear and right side fo the machine are not shown! John :-#)# PS- I've been selling the OMTs since 1988 so have a little experience with the model... > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of CCOS > Sent: 08 March 2009 03:30 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item > Number:270353206627 > > Also remember that the earlier models carried 50 cd's not 100, unless they > have been upgraded. Be sure to ask how many cd's the unit holds. > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Alexander" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item > Number:270353206627 > > > > Gentlemen: > A secondhand W1015 OMT-CD typically commands a resale price of $3,000 to > $4,500. Cheaper-priced units will typically be units that have cabinet or > front panel damage, or will be "high-mileage" units that have been in > commercial service. The OMT's have been in production since 1988, so > there's a lot of them out there. > The walnut-finish model, as new, carries a lower cost (avg. $500 saving) > over the more-limited edition Black and White gloss finish cabinets. > Bid cautiously, > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9C81TOyze5YL7l3C5oag > tr5zkV9VOn4i5oHSqqxr0GJv0MGD4U/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 19:25:26 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sun Mar 8 19:26:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay In-Reply-To: <002101c9a052$a8bcaeb0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <720724.9187.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim and Everyone, Thank you for the free play pin numbers. That did the trick! I have a couple problems in the pinbank so it looks like time to clean it up (UGH). All the selector buttons are free and easy. I have been getting by with 2 amp fast acting fuses on this selection circuit. Perhaps that will provide some protection for the coils. Thanks again! I have pins 5&6 and 1&4 added to my manual. Thanks agian everyone! David Wendell (In The Geritol Ghetto) --- On Sun, 3/8/09, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: > From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 7:02 PM > This is a 78 rpm machine without any latch solenoid. The > only danger with this free play method is that the selector > coil is energized as long as the button is held down. > It's important to make sure the pushbuttons move freely, > the selector circuit is not over-fused, and that you release > the pushbuttons quickly. > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John > Travelletti" > To: ; "Jukebox mailing > list" > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:59 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay > > > > Maybe Rockola is different, but on older Rowes, > anytime there are credits, the lockbar solenoid on the > keyboard is energized. On Rowe, this is not a > "continous duty" solenoid which can and will fail > if energized for long periods of time. > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "david > wendell" > > To: "jukebox list" > > > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 9:05 PM > > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay > > > > > >> > >> Gary, > >> > >> I should have added that I do not have the credit > unit (accumulator) or the coin gear (Mexican Jukebox). I am > almost certain I just connected two pins on the 6 pin socket > which the credit unit plugs into on other Rock-Ola machines > of this vintage. > >> > >> > >> --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Gary G. > wrote: > >> > >>> From: Gary G. > >>> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 > Freeplay > >>> To: dwaw12@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox > mailing list'" > > >>> Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 6:58 PM > >>> I always disable the credit removal solnoid > and give a few > >>> credits that way > >>> they stay on. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > >>> > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf > >>> Of david wendell > >>> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:46 PM > >>> To: jukebox list > >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Freeplay > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> Rock-Ola 1422 > >>> > >>> Does anyone remember which pins to connect at > the > >>> "Coin Mechanism Receptacle > >>> Female Plug (6 pins)" for freeplay. This > machine does > >>> not have any coin > >>> gear. If I rmember correctly it would be pins > 5 and 6 > >>> which come from the > >>> "master Coin switch (if I had coin gear). > I'll > >>> just use a male dummy plug > >>> to make the connection. TIA! > >>> > >>> David (Geritol Ghetto - Short Memory - Long > Age > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> Jukebox-list mailing list > >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >>> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobe at halted.com Sun Mar 8 13:09:32 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Mon Mar 9 03:44:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help me id this box? In-Reply-To: <4D768636-0899-4A44-9582-5B87725E547F@eyeballrecords.com> References: <4D768636-0899-4A44-9582-5B87725E547F@eyeballrecords.com> Message-ID: <49B425FC.4030002@halted.com> alex saavedra wrote: > hi everyone, > anyone have any idea what this is? > > http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/clt/1063195359.html It's an AMI, looks like an F120. Can't tell if the front grilles (upper and lower) are rusty or just given an "artistic" paint treatment. Watch for rotted zip-cord if you buy it (or the seller attempts to plug it in for you before purchase!) --Bob From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Mar 9 05:26:19 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 9 05:33:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws Message-ID: <8CB6EC96262CACD-D38-31B6@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Everyone- I removed the amp from my Rhapsody for an amp rebuild. When replacing the unit I found that a couple of the bolt eye holes had become stripped and the bolts just hang there. The unit is staying in place and I have no plans on moving the box anywhere, but what is the best method to address this problem? This is the far corner bracket of the cabinet on the left; the right corner with the power box is the same way with one stripped hole.If memory serves my Starlet was the same way... a couple of the bolts were even missing altogether, so I'm assuming this is a common problem. I've seen this happen once or twice with the leg bolts on pinball machines. TIA- j From bobe at halted.com Mon Mar 9 10:15:08 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Mon Mar 9 10:28:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090309171508.009901d4@hsces.com> At 05:17 PM 3/7/2009 -0600, Jeremy wrote: >Wow Bob, That is a neat radio! Thanks to working on jukes I am going to >tackle a recap and repair on a Zenith AM radio (sister to the trans oceanic). OK, my flabber is gasted... $3K for a Bakelite radio! eBay item # 260370338779 in case you missed it. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From pinball at telus.net Mon Mar 9 12:43:02 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Mar 9 12:44:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still making jukeboxes in Germany! Message-ID: <49B57146.9000104@telus.net> Wurlitzer is closing the UK (Didcot) office (operations moved to Wurlitzer headquarters in Huellhorts, Germany) effective March 30, 2008. UK contacts (Didcot) are still valid through March. The US offices in Gurnee, IL were relocated to Truman, Arkansas on March 3. This was all in a letter to distributors that I received today. The machines will indeed continue to be manufactured in Germany, and the letter went on to state "In the past few months we have launched several product initiatives for 2009 in both business lines (jukebox and vending) that we believe will provide new opportunities..." John Robertson President John's Jukes Ltd. Wurlitzer distributor since 1988 -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 13:10:23 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Mar 9 13:11:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still making jukeboxes in Germany! In-Reply-To: <49B57146.9000104@telus.net> References: <49B57146.9000104@telus.net> Message-ID: <3154d3690903091310g34ac8d42ib54d07c78fbc24c0@mail.gmail.com> Deutsche Wurlitzer was owned by an Australian company for many years - who are the owners today? Jens (in Sweden) On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:43 PM, John Robertson wrote: > Wurlitzer is closing the UK (Didcot) office (operations moved to Wurlitzer > headquarters in Huellhorts, Germany) effective March 30, 2008. > > UK contacts (Didcot) are still valid through March. > > The US offices in Gurnee, IL were relocated to Truman, Arkansas on March 3. > > This was all in a letter to distributors that I received today. > > The machines will indeed continue to be manufactured in Germany, and the > letter went on to state "In the past few months we have launched several > product initiatives for 2009 in both business lines (jukebox and vending) > that we believe will provide new opportunities..." > > John Robertson > President > John's Jukes Ltd. > Wurlitzer distributor since 1988 > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Mon Mar 9 13:28:52 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Mon Mar 9 13:30:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 1000 No Sound References: <6d217e6b20537128b202b3e5f61e0b92@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <4537D2C6322C4A0BA7049A575B198F54@JUKEBUS> Doug, If I remember correctly, there needs to be plug installed, with 2 pins jumpered, to get sound out of these units. If you don't see a plug with a jumper then this could be your problem. I can't remember which plug or which pins -sorry to be so vague, my manual and the unit are down at the workshop! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dvachon" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 1000 No Sound Hi David, I did the test you suggested and there is no hum. I pulled the mech out and inspected the wires and there is no break from the cartridge to the input of the amp. The mute switch is functioning properly as well. The audio input is on the side of the amp. (BMA3-56) It has 3 connections. I used a small wire to check for hum and get nothing. I don't have the microphone. I was just assuming that it was in that mode because if I turn the mic volume up, I get the so called white noise. But turning the master volume up and down makes no difference in the little volume that I am getting. Thank you for your help, Doug -----Original message----- From: David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:12:26 -0500 To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 1000 No Sound > > --- On Thu, 3/5/09, dvachon wrote: > > > Hi Jay, I did what you suggested and I got a single > > crackling noise but no hum. > > Does this mean like you said, It could be stuck in the > > microphone position? > > It could mean a break in the cable going from the pickup > to the amp. Try the same test where that cable plugs into > the amp. I'm assuming its an RCA jack as most are (I'm > no expert on background machines). If you touch the > center connector in the jack as before, you should hear > a prominent hum. > > Is a microphone actually connected? I recall your > original message said the mike jack "seemed" to work. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 03/07/09 18:43:00 From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Mar 9 13:31:49 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Mar 9 13:32:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still making jukeboxes in Germany! References: <49B57146.9000104@telus.net> <3154d3690903091310g34ac8d42ib54d07c78fbc24c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701c9a0f6$132b17c0$b3904c09@ZURNT60> Isnt it 'Gibson' - the musical instruments company?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still making jukeboxes in Germany! > Deutsche Wurlitzer was owned by an Australian company for many years - who > are the owners today? > Jens (in Sweden) > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:43 PM, John Robertson wrote: > >> Wurlitzer is closing the UK (Didcot) office (operations moved to >> Wurlitzer >> headquarters in Huellhorts, Germany) effective March 30, 2008. >> >> UK contacts (Didcot) are still valid through March. >> >> The US offices in Gurnee, IL were relocated to Truman, Arkansas on March >> 3. >> >> This was all in a letter to distributors that I received today. >> >> The machines will indeed continue to be manufactured in Germany, and the >> letter went on to state "In the past few months we have launched several >> product initiatives for 2009 in both business lines (jukebox and vending) >> that we believe will provide new opportunities..." >> >> John Robertson >> President >> John's Jukes Ltd. >> Wurlitzer distributor since 1988 >> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip >> out" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Mar 9 13:43:22 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Mon Mar 9 13:44:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20090309171508.009901d4@hsces.com> References: <2.2.32.20090309171508.009901d4@hsces.com> Message-ID: <000b01c9a0f7$b06d5010$1147f030$@net> Crazy thing is 1 guy thinks it is worth $3500....Rock On. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bob Ellingson Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:15 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- At 05:17 PM 3/7/2009 -0600, Jeremy wrote: >Wow Bob, That is a neat radio! Thanks to working on jukes I am going to >tackle a recap and repair on a Zenith AM radio (sister to the trans oceanic). OK, my flabber is gasted... $3K for a Bakelite radio! eBay item # 260370338779 in case you missed it. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 03/09/09 07:14:00 From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Mar 9 13:45:28 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Mon Mar 9 13:46:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still making jukeboxes in Germany! In-Reply-To: <000701c9a0f6$132b17c0$b3904c09@ZURNT60> References: <49B57146.9000104@telus.net> <3154d3690903091310g34ac8d42ib54d07c78fbc24c0@mail.gmail.com> <000701c9a0f6$132b17c0$b3904c09@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <000c01c9a0f7$fb692cb0$f23b8610$@net> Right. http://www.gibson.com/Products/Wurlitzer/ Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Zurn Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:32 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still making jukeboxes in Germany! Isnt it 'Gibson' - the musical instruments company?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still making jukeboxes in Germany! > Deutsche Wurlitzer was owned by an Australian company for many years - who > are the owners today? > Jens (in Sweden) > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:43 PM, John Robertson wrote: > >> Wurlitzer is closing the UK (Didcot) office (operations moved to >> Wurlitzer >> headquarters in Huellhorts, Germany) effective March 30, 2008. >> >> UK contacts (Didcot) are still valid through March. >> >> The US offices in Gurnee, IL were relocated to Truman, Arkansas on March >> 3. >> >> This was all in a letter to distributors that I received today. >> >> The machines will indeed continue to be manufactured in Germany, and the >> letter went on to state "In the past few months we have launched several >> product initiatives for 2009 in both business lines (jukebox and vending) >> that we believe will provide new opportunities..." >> >> John Robertson >> President >> John's Jukes Ltd. >> Wurlitzer distributor since 1988 >> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip >> out" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 03/09/09 07:14:00 From jay at west.net Mon Mar 9 15:12:19 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Mar 9 15:13:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws In-Reply-To: <8CB6EC96262CACD-D38-31B6@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6EC96262CACD-D38-31B6@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49B59443.5030306@west.net> jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Hi, Everyone- > I removed the amp from my Rhapsody for an amp rebuild. When replacing the unit I found that a couple of the bolt eye holes had become stripped and the bolts just hang there. The unit is staying in place and I have no plans on moving the box anywhere, but what is the best method to address this problem? This is the far corner bracket of the cabinet on the left; the right corner with the power box is the same way with one stripped hole.If memory serves my Starlet was the same way... a couple of the bolts were even missing altogether, so I'm assuming this is a common problem. I've seen this happen once or twice with the leg bolts on pinball machines. Not familiar with that specific machine, but there is a device called a "Nutsert" which crimps into place on sheet metal and provides threads for bolts. You'll need to drill the sheet metal out to the diameter of the Nutsert. The manufacturer sells a special tool for installing them but a good hardened bolt, a washer, and a rechet wrench works fine. www.avdel-global.com/en/products/threaded-inserts/thin-sheet-nutsert.html Or Google "Nutsert". -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Mon Mar 9 15:38:26 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Mon Mar 9 15:39:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 Message-ID: Rodney, Not to sound like a smarty pants, the 2610 is a 1/16 wood veneer. Depending on your shop tools, a good choice is to split luan (1 ply is just right) as it stains well and comes sanded. Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Mar 9 15:42:18 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Mar 9 15:44:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still mak ing jukeboxes in Germany! Message-ID: <20090309.184218.29471.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Getlemen: Gibson music (the guitar manufacturer) acquired Deutsche Wurlitzer about 2 years ago. Wurlitzer's original office in Gurnee IL is being relocated to Truman AK, where gibson already has a mfg plant. (reduce overhead costs?) I'm surprised and saddened to hear that the UK office is being closed. I was under the impression that Wurlitzer still had a good percentage of the commercial music-vending market in England. They have less of a comm'l presence in the US, but quite a few of their new jukes are sold for home/private use. their web address is www.wurlitzer-jukebox.com. This will take you to the Gibson website. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bp8pu9KnNV8JMSJgxestXnnYYWkxgVojUtSzKyXOgMD5DGF2Gc/ From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Mon Mar 9 15:52:34 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Mon Mar 9 15:53:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] juke I.D. Message-ID: Hi Alex, It is either and f120 or f80 difference being 120 selections or 80. It is a great choice for a starter box as most everything is easy to get to. I agree about offering a low price as these can send ya to the poor house, example, I bought 1 reset solenoide for my f120, cost $35.00. You may want to ask for better pics to better see what may be missing. Ask for a closeup of the glass area, you can tell the model f120 or f80 by the number of record racks and if the hard to find stuff is there ie: mech shroud cover, turntable covers etc. Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 19:50:13 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Mar 9 19:51:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still making jukeboxes in Germany! Message-ID: <422425.19926.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Gibson Git-tar--- --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still making jukeboxes in Germany! To: pinball@telus.net, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:10 PM Deutsche Wurlitzer was owned by an Australian company for many years - who are the owners today? ? Jens (in Sweden) On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:43 PM, John Robertson wrote: > Wurlitzer is closing the UK (Didcot) office (operations moved to Wurlitzer > headquarters in Huellhorts, Germany) effective March 30, 2008. > > UK contacts (Didcot) are still valid through March. > > The US offices in Gurnee, IL were relocated to Truman, Arkansas on March 3. > > This was all in a letter to distributors that I received today. > > The machines will indeed continue to be manufactured in Germany, and the > letter went on to state "In the past few months we have launched several > product initiatives for 2009 in both business lines (jukebox and vending) > that we believe will provide new opportunities..." > > John Robertson > President > John's Jukes Ltd. > Wurlitzer distributor since 1988 > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 10 06:04:33 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Tue Mar 10 06:05:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] juke I.D. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <876231.45135.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi, Alex, a few words of caution....Going by past experiences, it is easy to be sucked in by a cheap price, but as others on the list have said, some missing parts can be almost impossible to track down. Even if you do find them, you will probably have to pay a premium price for them. Once you have added together the cost of all the parts you need for the restoration, you may find in the long term it would have been better to put this money towards a better machine. Just ask me about the termite ridden wurlitzer 2204 a bought some years ago. No wonder it was cheap. Still never found those deck trims. On a plus point, the AMIs of that period seem easier to work on than some of the other machines of the same age. At least for the novice anyway. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Regards Gary --- On Mon, 9/3/09, Bryan Shaw wrote: > From: Bryan Shaw > Subject: [Jukebox-list] juke I.D. > To: "jukebox group" > Date: Monday, 9 March, 2009, 10:52 PM > Hi Alex, > > > > It is either and f120 or f80 difference being 120 > selections or 80. It is a great choice for a starter box as > most everything is easy to get to. I agree about offering a > low price as these can send ya to the poor house, example, I > bought 1 reset solenoide for my f120, cost $35.00. You may > want to ask for better pics to better see what may be > missing. Ask for a closeup of the glass area, you can tell > the model f120 or f80 by the number of record racks and if > the hard to find stuff is there ie: mech shroud cover, > turntable covers etc. > > > > > > Bryan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your > favorite groups to meet. > http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From GARYBOKAMP2 at aol.com Sun Mar 8 13:37:52 2009 From: GARYBOKAMP2 at aol.com (GARYBOKAMP2@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 10 08:10:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 478 Mystic Message-ID: David, I recently purchased a 478 Rock-ola Jukebox and I have two questions if you would be kind enough to answer. First, I notice that there is a wire that is disconnect that goes up to the 1, 2, 3 top hits that is located on the top left of the jukebox. The plug connect will not connect as there is a metal retainer that goes along the whole top portion that stops the connector and will not snap back in. Somehow the glass/plexi plate that runs along the top of the jukebox has to be removed. It has on it also bonus and prices. It is the complete top strip that needs to be removed so I can connect the 6 to 8 prong plug. How do I remove this without breaking the glass? Does the chrome metal around it snap out? Secondly, I haven't been able to set it to where I can choose the songs from the play buttons. There is alot of setting inside and I do not have a manual. It works fine and shows what song is playing but I think it is set up on random play? Any help would be appreciated David. Thanks, Gary in Illinois **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From npsyssoft at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Mar 9 00:27:00 2009 From: npsyssoft at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (npsyssoft@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Tue Mar 10 08:10:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item Number:270353206627 In-Reply-To: <49B472B2.3080403@telus.net> References: <20090307.220813.22237.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <5FF2637C4E8543AB8B7AFD64255CDFE9@CCOSPC> <001201c99fd0$31bd6700$95383500$@force9.co.uk> <49B472B2.3080403@telus.net> Message-ID: <4400.217.33.199.76.1236583620.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> I was referring to a dealer brochure not the factory brochure. I have the factory one with the IPOD adapter and its not remotely similar. Of course this guy could be referring to an IPOD out to Phono In type adapter, as opposed to the pukka OMT IPOD machine that is on sale now. > Nigel Pugh wrote: >> The one on Ebay is 100cd. >> What intrigues me is it has no reserve, and as it has no title cards in >> the >> picture, other than the Wurlitzer emblem ones, and it has the Ipod dock, >> suggests its brand new. So why put a brand new one on at zero reserve! >> (unless the pictures are brochure ones and the machine is really a >> shabby >> pile of junk - if it exists at all!) >> >> Nigel, UK. >> > > The pictures do not appear in any brochures that I have had. Certainly > Wurlitzer would never publish a picture of the iPod adapter simply > sitting on top of the machine! These pictures are of someones machine. > > This machine appears to be a few years old - it has the I-84 amplifier > that was discontinued in the early '00s - at least on the North American > shipments. Perhaps the seller will publish the serial number? The first > two digits of the German Wurlitzer serial number are the number of years > after 1960, the next two are the month the machine was made, and I > believe the last four are the number produced to that date... > > The basket is the 100 CD version. > > As for the title holders, they look complete - there are 60 pages and > the machine normally came with 6 of the blank "Wurlitzer" title cards to > make a nice look when first unpacked. > > The machine does appear to be in very good condition - that is the sides > shown in the picture - pity the rear and right side fo the machine are > not shown! > > John :-#)# > PS- I've been selling the OMTs since 1988 so have a little experience > with the model... >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of CCOS >> Sent: 08 March 2009 03:30 >> To: Jukebox mailing list >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item >> Number:270353206627 >> >> Also remember that the earlier models carried 50 cd's not 100, unless >> they >> have been upgraded. Be sure to ask how many cd's the unit holds. >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706)507-2963 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "James Alexander" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Black Onyx 1015 on ebay, Item >> Number:270353206627 >> >> >> >> Gentlemen: >> A secondhand W1015 OMT-CD typically commands a resale price of $3,000 >> to >> $4,500. Cheaper-priced units will typically be units that have cabinet >> or >> front panel damage, or will be "high-mileage" units that have been in >> commercial service. The OMT's have been in production since 1988, so >> there's a lot of them out there. >> The walnut-finish model, as new, carries a lower cost (avg. $500 saving) >> over the more-limited edition Black and White gloss finish cabinets. >> Bid cautiously, >> Jim Alexander >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching >> packages! >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9C81TOyze5YL7l3C5oag >> tr5zkV9VOn4i5oHSqqxr0GJv0MGD4U/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Mar 10 10:09:57 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Mar 10 10:11:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still making jukeboxes in Germany! In-Reply-To: <49B57146.9000104@telus.net> Message-ID: <520177.80130.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is there anything left of Wurlitzer besides the German jukebox operation? Does anyone own the trademark in other fields that Wurlitzer was active in (ie, musical instruments)? David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Mar 10 10:55:59 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Mar 10 10:57:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Something really rare-- In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20090309171508.009901d4@hsces.com> Message-ID: <355836.67362.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Bob Ellingson wrote: > OK, my flabber is gasted... $3K for a Bakelite radio! And an ugly one at that! From edinman at earthlink.net Tue Mar 10 12:08:53 2009 From: edinman at earthlink.net (Ed Inman) Date: Tue Mar 10 12:13:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 478 Mystic Message-ID: <9316246.1236712133878.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have a pair of 481's which use the same electronics so perhaps I can address some of your questions: *If the machine continually plays records without punching them in make sure the little black switch next to the blue button on the logic board is off (potition down). This is the board directly in front of the turntable. *If you want the machine set for free play from the keypad switch all the "A-B-D" microswitches on the "Profit Setter" to off (position left side down). This the the upper right board. The number "99" should appear in the # of plays window. Additional suggestions: *Disconnect, Remove and discard the "Battery Unit" under the tone arm. It will only cause trouble at this point. *Using a multitester, precisely adjust the low voltage power line to 9.6 VDC at the pink wire terminal (lower center of the power supply unit). The voltage is adjusted at the R220 screw on the board mounted in front of the power supply. Ed -----Original Message----- >From: GARYBOKAMP2@aol.com >Sent: Mar 8, 2009 3:37 PM >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 478 Mystic > >David, I recently purchased a 478 Rock-ola Jukebox and I have two questions >if you would be kind enough to answer. First, I notice that there is a wire >that is disconnect that goes up to the 1, 2, 3 top hits that is located on the >top left of the jukebox. The plug connect will not connect as there is a >metal retainer that goes along the whole top portion that stops the connector and > will not snap back in. Somehow the glass/plexi plate that runs along the >top of the jukebox has to be removed. It has on it also bonus and prices. It is >the complete top strip that needs to be removed so I can connect the 6 to 8 >prong plug. How do I remove this without breaking the glass? Does the chrome >metal around it snap out? Secondly, I haven't been able to set it to where I >can choose the songs from the play buttons. There is alot of setting inside >and I do not have a manual. It works fine and shows what song is playing but I >think it is set up on random play? Any help would be appreciated David. >Thanks, Gary in Illinois >**************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. >(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Mar 10 14:33:11 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Mar 10 14:34:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still making jukeboxes in Germany! Message-ID: <594857.82553.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I THINK Gibson? owns it all now-- --- On Tue, 3/10/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still making jukeboxes in Germany! To: "Jukebox List" Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 10:09 AM Is there anything left of Wurlitzer besides the German jukebox operation?? Does anyone own the trademark in other fields that Wurlitzer was active in (ie, musical instruments)? David Breneman? ? ? ???david_breneman@yahoo.com ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Tubanuts at aol.com Tue Mar 10 18:07:02 2009 From: Tubanuts at aol.com (Tubanuts@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 10 18:15:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still making juk... Message-ID: Mentioning Wurlitzer's Other Fields spurs my question. A fellow near Kansas City (which I get to occasionally) found out I work on Jukes and asked me to look at the Museum's Large Fair type Wurlitzer Band Organ. I is old but has the power unit upgraded with electronic. So for that's all I know about it. Just wondering if there is or will be a source for parts either mechanical or other for this type Wurly? Don **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Tue Mar 10 15:40:06 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Robert Aker) Date: Tue Mar 10 19:31:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - stillmaking jukeboxes in Germany! References: <594857.82553.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c9a1d1$292817e0$0201a8c0@desktop> As I understand Gibson owned the name for manufacture of other instruments and sued the German Wurlitzer to stop distributing jukes using the Wurlitzer name. Then Gibson made an offer for the company and ended up purchasing it to end the suit. For a short time the jukes were being distributed in the US without the Wurlitzer name, sort of a "juke formerly know as Wurlitzer" thing - like "the entertainer formerly know as Prince" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - stillmaking jukeboxes in Germany! I THINK Gibson owns it all now-- --- On Tue, 3/10/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer closing offices in UK and USA - still making jukeboxes in Germany! To: "Jukebox List" Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 10:09 AM Is there anything left of Wurlitzer besides the German jukebox operation? Does anyone own the trademark in other fields that Wurlitzer was active in (ie, musical instruments)? David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 05:54:57 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Wed Mar 11 05:56:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Keyboard Slide Switches Message-ID: <769843.11025.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, The selector switches on my current Rock-Ola 1422 project from Mexico are failing to make a good electrical connection. About 1/2 of them fail to make good contact as checked with my old multi-meter. The switches have been cleaned with the usual sudsy ammonia/409 mixture several times and excercised, threatened and cussed. Has anyone ever taken a switch bank apart? I suppose all the twisted tabs which hold the assembly together would be likely to break off. Separation would allow inspection and cleaning as well as the possibility of adjusting the contacts which the slides go between. Other than that the only thing I can think of is to give em a shot of Geritol. Thanks as usual! David, in The Geritol Ghetto From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Mar 11 08:05:14 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Wed Mar 11 08:06:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day Message-ID: <000001c9a25a$c8d86130$5a892390$@net> This guy in the SFBay area claims to have a Seeburg 222 Hide-a-way for $100 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/clt/1067469683.html From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 09:11:54 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 11 09:13:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day Message-ID: <13787.76854.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, As far as I'm concerned--that is way high for a hideaway?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 8:05 AM This guy in the SFBay area claims to have a Seeburg 222 Hide-a-way for $100 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/clt/1067469683.html _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Wed Mar 11 09:19:00 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Mar 11 09:20:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Keyboard Slide Switches In-Reply-To: <769843.11025.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <769843.11025.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B7E474.7090009@telus.net> david wendell wrote: > Hi All, > > The selector switches on my current Rock-Ola 1422 project from Mexico are failing to make a good electrical connection. About 1/2 of them fail to make good contact as checked with my old multi-meter. The switches have been cleaned with the usual sudsy ammonia/409 mixture several times and excercised, threatened and cussed. > > Has anyone ever taken a switch bank apart? I suppose all the twisted tabs which hold the assembly together would be likely to break off. Separation would allow inspection and cleaning as well as the possibility of adjusting the contacts which the slides go between. > > Other than that the only thing I can think of is to give em a shot of Geritol. Thanks as usual! > > David, in The Geritol Ghetto > > > Hi David, Um, I would not attempt to clean switches with the concoction you have made up! Best to clean them with 'Contact Cleaner' by a company like MG products or the like. I would imagine that 409, etc.might either be corrosive to metal or leave a deposit (film) that would interfere with normal operations. I use MG products on our customer's jukeboxes and get years between service calls (10 or so) after cleaning a keyboard... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinball at telus.net Wed Mar 11 09:20:28 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Mar 11 09:22:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day In-Reply-To: <13787.76854.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <13787.76854.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B7E4CC.9050805@telus.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Rich, > As far as I'm concerned--that is way high for a hideaway?? > Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > > From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 8:05 AM > > This guy in the SFBay area claims to have a Seeburg 222 Hide-a-way for $100 > > Not a bad price if you need amp, tormat control, cartridge, etc. as spare parts if working. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 09:28:31 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 11 09:30:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Keyboard Slide Switches Message-ID: <595030.82962.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave, Geritol, or most anything else you can pour in there probably will not cure it ! You MIGHT? try "DeOXIT".? What usually has happened on those is the spring tension on the "clamp" portion has been lost. If you want, you may carefully pull the switch bank apart (bend the "holders" as little as possible), and you MAY be able to "reform" the springs tighter. I do not remember the circuit, but I think that there was a "cut-out" relay (and/or a SMALL fuse) that limited the time that those contacts were alive during the making of a selection.? If it's on "Free play", and the relay/fuse has been eliminated, those contacts are subject to heating up--which they, and the selector coil, do NOT like ! --- On Wed, 3/11/09, david wendell wrote: From: david wendell Subject: [Jukebox-list] Keyboard Slide Switches To: "jukebox list" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 5:54 AM Hi All, The selector switches on my current Rock-Ola 1422 project from Mexico are failing to make a good electrical connection.? About 1/2 of them fail to make good contact as checked with my old multi-meter.? The switches have been cleaned with the usual sudsy ammonia/409 mixture several times and excercised, threatened and cussed.? Has anyone ever taken a switch bank apart?? I suppose all the twisted tabs which hold the assembly together would be likely to break off.? Separation would allow inspection and cleaning as well as the possibility of adjusting the contacts which the slides go between. Other than that the only thing I can think of is to give em a shot of Geritol.? Thanks as usual! David, in The Geritol Ghetto ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 11 09:36:21 2009 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Howard Wintermantel) Date: Wed Mar 11 09:44:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 478 Mystic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <666437.14594.qm@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gary, My First suggestion is to purchase the manual. This is a valuable tool and is worth every penny.It will also help you identify the proper name for the parts which helps, when seeking assistance on the forum. You can purchase one at alwaysjuke@aol.com To remove the glass and trim you need to remove the three nuts that are inside the dome directly under the frame. I think they are 1/2 inch. This will allow you access and also might be a good time to change out all the bulbs. The hit tracker does not affect the operation of the juke and therefore doesn't need to be connected for proper operation. Good Luck Bud --- On Sun, 3/8/09, GARYBOKAMP2@aol.com wrote: From: GARYBOKAMP2@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 478 Mystic To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 1:37 PM David, I recently purchased a 478 Rock-ola Jukebox and I have two questions if you would be kind enough to answer. First, I notice that there is a wire that is disconnect that goes up to the 1, 2, 3 top hits that is located on the top left of the jukebox. The plug connect will not connect as there is a metal retainer that goes along the whole top portion that stops the connector and will not snap back in. Somehow the glass/plexi plate that runs along the top of the jukebox has to be removed. It has on it also bonus and prices. It is the complete top strip that needs to be removed so I can connect the 6 to 8 prong plug. How do I remove this without breaking the glass? Does the chrome metal around it snap out? Secondly, I haven't been able to set it to where I can choose the songs from the play buttons. There is alot of setting inside and I do not have a manual. It works fine and shows what song is playing but I think it is set up on random play? Any help would be appreciated David. Thanks, Gary in Illinois **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 09:54:20 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Wed Mar 11 10:01:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem Message-ID: <394517.54290.qm@web45705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> After having made a selection the coil of the timing relais (part # 69244) in the playrak is supposed to contract the relay again, that is as long as there are credits left. Mine does not do that correctly. The coil is tested OK and it tries to activate the relais but somehow it does not achieve that. If you give the relay a small tap "on the head" it will contract, the relay says "click", but after having made the selection it?s the same problem again. The playrak was already cleaned thoroughly. Any ideas where to look??? From bobe at halted.com Wed Mar 11 10:55:27 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Wed Mar 11 11:09:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Keyboard Slide Switches Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090311175527.0098b360@hsces.com> At 09:19 AM 3/11/2009 -0700, you wrote: >david wendell wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> The selector switches on my current Rock-Ola 1422 project from Mexico are failing to make a good electrical connection. About 1/2 of them fail to make good contact as checked with my old multi-meter. The switches have been cleaned with the usual sudsy ammonia/409 mixture several times and excercised, threatened and cussed. >> >> Has anyone ever taken a switch bank apart? I suppose all the twisted tabs which hold the assembly together would be likely to break off. Separation would allow inspection and cleaning as well as the possibility of adjusting the contacts which the slides go between. >> >> Other than that the only thing I can think of is to give em a shot of Geritol. Thanks as usual! >> >> David, in The Geritol Ghetto >> >> >> >Hi David, > >Um, I would not attempt to clean switches with the concoction you have >made up! Best to clean them with 'Contact Cleaner' by a company like MG >products or the like. > >I would imagine that 409, etc.might either be corrosive to metal or >leave a deposit (film) that would interfere with normal operations. > >I use MG products on our customer's jukeboxes and get years between >service calls (10 or so) after cleaning a keyboard... Actually, sudsy ammonia works quite well. 409 is the same but with a little soap or detergent added. Both have the advantage of washing off with warm water, and leaving no residue whatsoever. Our resident Seeburg expert, Ron Rich, taught me that one. You should try it. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 11:19:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 11 11:21:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem Message-ID: <578533.25710.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hans, Not quite sure as too what you are describing, so I'm just guessing here--If the keyboard coil is not being energized, and you can energize it by "taping the relay, on the head" in the Playrac, I would check the "key contacts" in the Playrac, as that is what controls the keyboard coil.Also check the NC contact that the keyboard solenoid (coil) operates, as they are famous for not making contact on Wurlys. If the relay in the Playrac won't pull in, measure the voltage on it--possible that the power supply is weak--or one of the NC contacts is not working well. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Hans wrote: From: Hans Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:54 AM After having made a selection the coil of the timing relais (part # 69244) in the playrak is supposed to contract the relay again, that is as long as there are credits left. Mine does not do that correctly. The coil is tested OK and it tries to activate the relais but somehow it does not achieve that. If you give the relay a small tap "on the head" it will contract, the relay says "click", but after having made the selection it?s the same problem again. The playrak was already cleaned thoroughly. Any ideas where to look??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 11:22:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 11 11:23:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Keyboard Slide Switches Message-ID: <816681.99609.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, Dave, Yes, I may have taught you that, but I have never needed to teach you to cuss---I think that's instinctive !? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Bob Ellingson wrote: From: Bob Ellingson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Keyboard Slide Switches To: pinball@telus.net, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 10:55 AM At 09:19 AM 3/11/2009 -0700, you wrote: >david wendell wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> The selector switches on my current Rock-Ola 1422 project from Mexico are failing to make a good electrical connection.? About 1/2 of them fail to make good contact as checked with my old multi-meter.? The switches have been cleaned with the usual sudsy ammonia/409 mixture several times and excercised, threatened and cussed.? >> >> Has anyone ever taken a switch bank apart?? I suppose all the twisted tabs which hold the assembly together would be likely to break off. Separation would allow inspection and cleaning as well as the possibility of adjusting the contacts which the slides go between. >> >> Other than that the only thing I can think of is to give em a shot of Geritol.? Thanks as usual! >> >> David, in The Geritol Ghetto >> >> >>??? >Hi David, > >Um, I would not attempt to clean switches with the concoction you have >made up! Best to clean them with 'Contact Cleaner' by a company like MG >products or the like. > >I would imagine that 409, etc.might either be corrosive to metal or >leave a deposit (film) that would interfere with normal operations. > >I use MG products on our customer's jukeboxes and get years between >service calls (10 or so) after cleaning a keyboard... Actually, sudsy ammonia works quite well.? 409 is the same but with a little soap or detergent added.? Both have the advantage of washing off with warm water, and leaving no residue whatsoever.? Our resident Seeburg expert, Ron Rich, taught me that one.? You should try it. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson??? ??? ??? ??? ??? bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc.??? ??? ??? http://www.halted..com 3500 Ryder St.??? ??? ??? ??? ??? (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051? USA??? ??? ??? (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 11 12:18:45 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Wed Mar 11 12:20:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day Message-ID: <191033.12282.qm@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is the hideaway the one on the left or right? I've never seen one! Narf! Narf! ;-) Rich said: ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:05:14 -0500 From: "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Message-ID: <000001c9a25a$c8d86130$5a892390$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This guy in the SFBay area claims to have a Seeburg 222 Hide-a-way for $100 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/clt/1067469683.html From bobe at halted.com Wed Mar 11 12:25:34 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Wed Mar 11 12:39:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090311192534.00996f28@hsces.com> At 12:18 PM 3/11/2009 -0700, you wrote: > >Is the hideaway the one on the left or right? I've never seen one! > I think it's hiding... --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From ron at cyberjunky.nl Wed Mar 11 12:45:18 2009 From: ron at cyberjunky.nl (Ron) Date: Wed Mar 11 12:46:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20090311192534.00996f28@hsces.com> References: <2.2.32.20090311192534.00996f28@hsces.com> Message-ID: <49B814CE.2070004@cyberjunky.nl> Bob Ellingson schreef: > At 12:18 PM 3/11/2009 -0700, you wrote: > >> Is the hideaway the one on the left or right? I've never seen one! >> >> > > > I think it's hiding... > > --Bob > Lol... the better it hides itself, the more it costs? ;-) Ron. From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Wed Mar 11 14:03:08 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Wed Mar 11 14:04:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Keyboard Slide Switches References: <769843.11025.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9EE812423F3B4E33AE880B7F59803389@JUKEBUS> Hi David, I regularly take these apart - it's the only way to fix them if the contacts are bad. The metal twist tabs will "usually" survive one cycle of untwisting and retwisting. For any that don't you need to use a blob of quick setting epoxy adhesive. Best of luck! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "david wendell" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Keyboard Slide Switches Hi All, The selector switches on my current Rock-Ola 1422 project from Mexico are failing to make a good electrical connection. About 1/2 of them fail to make good contact as checked with my old multi-meter. The switches have been cleaned with the usual sudsy ammonia/409 mixture several times and excercised, threatened and cussed. Has anyone ever taken a switch bank apart? I suppose all the twisted tabs which hold the assembly together would be likely to break off. Separation would allow inspection and cleaning as well as the possibility of adjusting the contacts which the slides go between. Other than that the only thing I can think of is to give em a shot of Geritol. Thanks as usual! David, in The Geritol Ghetto _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1993 - Release Date: 03/10/09 07:19:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 16:10:45 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 11 16:12:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day Message-ID: <38213.61235.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Duh--Dats cause it's HIDDEN----Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/11/09, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 12:18 PM Is the hideaway the one on the left or right? I've never seen one! Narf! Narf! ;-) Rich said: ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:05:14 -0500 From: "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Message-ID: <000001c9a25a$c8d86130$5a892390$@net> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? charset="us-ascii" This guy in the SFBay area claims to have a Seeburg 222 Hide-a-way for $100 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/clt/1067469683.html _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Wed Mar 11 16:46:21 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed Mar 11 16:47:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day Message-ID: <504772.35359.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I bought an AY160 Hideaway about a year ago and I put it in my shed and now damned if I can't find it. Damn those hideaway's really hide well. ? Tony --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:10 PM Duh--Dats cause it's HIDDEN----Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/11/09, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 12:18 PM Is the hideaway the one on the left or right? I've never seen one! Narf! Narf! ;-) Rich said: ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:05:14 -0500 From: "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Message-ID: <000001c9a25a$c8d86130$5a892390$@net> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? charset="us-ascii" This guy in the SFBay area claims to have a Seeburg 222 Hide-a-way for $100 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/clt/1067469683.html _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From list at brandd.com Wed Mar 11 17:57:58 2009 From: list at brandd.com (list@brandd.com) Date: Wed Mar 11 18:00:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws In-Reply-To: <8CB6EC96262CACD-D38-31B6@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6EC96262CACD-D38-31B6@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <82A37851-8A51-473A-ACDC-3AED217FFD40@brandd.com> One temporary trick i've used for loose self-tapping screws in sheet metal is to put a 90 degree bend in a part of a paperclip and stick a length of it into the stripped hole. It provides a little extra grip and works great in a pinch. ~sean check out my blog - www.wurlitzer2000.com On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:26 AM, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Hi, Everyone- > I removed the amp from my Rhapsody for an amp rebuild. When > replacing the unit I found that a couple of the bolt eye holes had > become stripped and the bolts just hang there. The unit is staying > in place and I have no plans on moving the box anywhere, but what is > the best method to address this problem? This is the far corner > bracket of the cabinet on the left; the right corner with the power > box is the same way with one stripped hole.If memory serves my > Starlet was the same way... a couple of the bolts were even missing > altogether, so I'm assuming this is a common problem. I've seen this > happen once or twice with the leg bolts on pinball machines. > > TIA- > From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Wed Mar 11 18:13:16 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed Mar 11 18:14:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws Message-ID: <527483.38655.qm@web111506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I would fill the holes with white glue then put wax paper over it and then use tape to hold the wax paper down. Wait 24 hours remove it and drill a small pilot hole then put your screws in you should be set. I have done this before and it works well. ? Regards, Tony --- On Wed, 3/11/09, list@brandd.com wrote: From: list@brandd.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 8:57 PM One temporary trick i've used for loose self-tapping screws in sheet metal is to put a 90 degree bend in a part of a paperclip and stick a length of it into the stripped hole.? It provides a little extra grip and works great in a pinch. ~sean check out my? blog - www.wurlitzer2000.com On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:26 AM, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Hi, Everyone- > I removed the amp from my Rhapsody for an amp rebuild. When replacing the unit I found that a couple of the bolt eye holes had become stripped and the bolts just hang there. The unit is staying in place and I have no plans on moving the box anywhere, but what is the best method to address this problem? This is the far corner bracket of the cabinet on the left; the right corner with the power box is the same way with one stripped hole.If memory serves my Starlet was the same way... a couple of the bolts were even missing altogether, so I'm assuming this is a common problem. I've seen this happen once or twice with the leg bolts on pinball machines. > > TIA- > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From JHayes2613 at aol.com Wed Mar 11 18:16:44 2009 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Wed Mar 11 18:24:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws In-Reply-To: <527483.38655.qm@web111506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <527483.38655.qm@web111506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03301EA5-41A5-4D0B-A5A0-71D3D98EB6D2@aol.com> And, of course, I could try inserting the RIGHT FREAKING SCREWS INTO THE PROPER HOLES. Yeah, the smaller bolts DO just hang there in the deeper holes. I am such a moron... On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:13 PM, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > I would fill the holes with white glue then put wax paper over it > and then use tape to hold the wax paper down. Wait 24 hours remove > it and drill a small pilot hole then put your screws in you should > be set. I have done this before and it works well. > > Regards, Tony > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, list@brandd.com wrote: > > > From: list@brandd.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 8:57 PM > > > One temporary trick i've used for loose self-tapping screws in sheet > metal is to put a 90 degree bend in a part of a paperclip and stick > a length of it into the stripped hole. It provides a little extra > grip and works great in a pinch. > > ~sean > > check out my blog - www.wurlitzer2000.com > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:26 AM, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > >> Hi, Everyone- >> I removed the amp from my Rhapsody for an amp rebuild. When >> replacing the unit I found that a couple of the bolt eye holes had >> become stripped and the bolts just hang there. The unit is staying >> in place and I have no plans on moving the box anywhere, but what >> is the best method to address this problem? This is the far corner >> bracket of the cabinet on the left; the right corner with the power >> box is the same way with one stripped hole.If memory serves my >> Starlet was the same way... a couple of the bolts were even missing >> altogether, so I'm assuming this is a common problem. I've seen >> this happen once or twice with the leg bolts on pinball machines. >> >> TIA- >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark > your favourite sites. Download it now at > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Mar 11 19:26:39 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Mar 11 19:30:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Keyboard Slide Switches References: <769843.11025.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c9a2b9$fa183630$6101a8c0@Dirksen> There are two tabs on each end that are easy to twist and don't normally cause problems. You do need to be careful with the tabs in the middle sections. Don't twist them vertically (away from the switches), but twist them "sideways" just enough to clear. You can usually bend the top (closest to the pushbuttons) tabs only and tilt the assembly out from under the unbent bottom tabs. Be careful doing this on a 1458 or similar 50's Rockola, as there are two different style sliders in the keyboard and it's easy to get them mixed up. Don't ask how I know this. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "david wendell" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:54 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Keyboard Slide Switches > > Hi All, > > The selector switches on my current Rock-Ola 1422 project from Mexico are > failing to make a good electrical connection. About 1/2 of them fail to > make good contact as checked with my old multi-meter. The switches have > been cleaned with the usual sudsy ammonia/409 mixture several times and > excercised, threatened and cussed. > > Has anyone ever taken a switch bank apart? I suppose all the twisted tabs > which hold the assembly together would be likely to break off. Separation > would allow inspection and cleaning as well as the possibility of > adjusting the contacts which the slides go between. > > Other than that the only thing I can think of is to give em a shot of > Geritol. Thanks as usual! > > David, in The Geritol Ghetto > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 19:35:58 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 11 19:37:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day Message-ID: <793192.21715.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tony, you might try looking under the shed--neath the ice ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: From: Lala Blah Blah Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 4:46 PM I bought an AY160 Hideaway about a year ago and I put it in my shed and now damned if I can't find it. Damn those hideaway's really hide well. ? Tony --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:10 PM Duh--Dats cause it's HIDDEN----Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/11/09, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 12:18 PM Is the hideaway the one on the left or right? I've never seen one! Narf! Narf! ;-) Rich said: ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:05:14 -0500 From: "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Message-ID: <000001c9a25a$c8d86130$5a892390$@net> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? charset="us-ascii" This guy in the SFBay area claims to have a Seeburg 222 Hide-a-way for $100 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/clt/1067469683.html _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 19:38:06 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 11 19:39:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws Message-ID: <91412.35189.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Another "trick" I've used--shove a plastic wire tie into the hole the same way you've put the paper clip in. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/11/09, list@brandd.com wrote: From: list@brandd.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 5:57 PM One temporary trick i've used for loose self-tapping screws in sheet metal is to put a 90 degree bend in a part of a paperclip and stick a length of it into the stripped hole.? It provides a little extra grip and works great in a pinch. ~sean check out my? blog - www.wurlitzer2000.com On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:26 AM, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Hi, Everyone- > I removed the amp from my Rhapsody for an amp rebuild. When replacing the unit I found that a couple of the bolt eye holes had become stripped and the bolts just hang there. The unit is staying in place and I have no plans on moving the box anywhere, but what is the best method to address this problem? This is the far corner bracket of the cabinet on the left; the right corner with the power box is the same way with one stripped hole.If memory serves my Starlet was the same way... a couple of the bolts were even missing altogether, so I'm assuming this is a common problem. I've seen this happen once or twice with the leg bolts on pinball machines. > > TIA- > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 19:40:06 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 11 19:41:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws Message-ID: <415571.45944.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> "JB Weld" will also work in the manor, providing there is enough for it to grab-onto. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: From: Lala Blah Blah Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 6:13 PM I would fill the holes with white glue then put wax paper over it and then use tape to hold the wax paper down. Wait 24 hours remove it and drill a small pilot hole then put your screws in you should be set. I have done this before and it works well. ? Regards, Tony --- On Wed, 3/11/09, list@brandd.com wrote: From: list@brandd.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 8:57 PM One temporary trick i've used for loose self-tapping screws in sheet metal is to put a 90 degree bend in a part of a paperclip and stick a length of it into the stripped hole.? It provides a little extra grip and works great in a pinch. ~sean check out my? blog - www.wurlitzer2000.com On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:26 AM, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Hi, Everyone- > I removed the amp from my Rhapsody for an amp rebuild. When replacing the unit I found that a couple of the bolt eye holes had become stripped and the bolts just hang there. The unit is staying in place and I have no plans on moving the box anywhere, but what is the best method to address this problem? This is the far corner bracket of the cabinet on the left; the right corner with the power box is the same way with one stripped hole.If memory serves my Starlet was the same way... a couple of the bolts were even missing altogether, so I'm assuming this is a common problem. I've seen this happen once or twice with the leg bolts on pinball machines. > > TIA- > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 19:42:04 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 11 19:43:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws Message-ID: <358598.54501.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, Who wooda thunked of dat--the RIGHT FREAKING SCREWS"--hug, fantastic idea !! Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/11/09, John Hayes wrote: From: John Hayes Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 6:16 PM And, of course, I could try inserting the RIGHT FREAKING SCREWS INTO THE PROPER HOLES. Yeah, the smaller bolts DO just hang there in the deeper holes. I am such a moron... On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:13 PM, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > I would fill the holes with white glue then put wax paper over it and then use tape to hold the wax paper down. Wait 24 hours remove it and drill a small pilot hole then put your screws in you should be set. I have done this before and it works well. > > Regards, Tony > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, list@brandd.com wrote: > > > From: list@brandd.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 8:57 PM > > > One temporary trick i've used for loose self-tapping screws in sheet metal is to put a 90 degree bend in a part of a paperclip and stick a length of it into the stripped hole.? It provides a little extra grip and works great in a pinch. > > ~sean > > check out my? blog - www.wurlitzer2000.com > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:26 AM, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > >> Hi, Everyone- >> I removed the amp from my Rhapsody for an amp rebuild. When replacing the unit I found that a couple of the bolt eye holes had become stripped and the bolts just hang there. The unit is staying in place and I have no plans on moving the box anywhere, but what is the best method to address this problem? This is the far corner bracket of the cabinet on the left; the right corner with the power box is the same way with one stripped hole.If memory serves my Starlet was the same way... a couple of the bolts were even missing altogether, so I'm assuming this is a common problem. I've seen this happen once or twice with the leg bolts on pinball machines. >> >> TIA- >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > >? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jjblue4 at juno.com Wed Mar 11 20:37:09 2009 From: jjblue4 at juno.com (jjblue4@juno.com) Date: Wed Mar 11 20:39:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day Message-ID: <20090311.203709.1512.0.jjblue4@juno.com> Oh god PLEASE no one go and look at this. I was told I could have the unit for 50$. After the guys daughter maybe it sound like it was a perfect restorable junk that she just came across, when in fact her father bought it for parts for his other jukes, then left it in the field for 15 years. The guys house is in the middle of no where, I wasted a day and tank of gas. The machine is trash, it is rusted to high hell, its corroded and the amp door was opened with a crow bar, theres is even a fair amount of grass clippings in it. The tubes are all white from being blown. There isn't a usable part on it, the carriage has rust and does the track. The guy thought some one may want one of the transformers, also rusted. I told him if it was free I may consider hauling it away, but you should give me 50$ to haul it away. Total junk, to top it the guy left his well uncovered, I almost lost a tire and suspension. Jason On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:05:14 -0500 "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> writes: > This guy in the SFBay area claims to have a Seeburg 222 Hide-a-way > for $100 > > > > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/clt/1067469683.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmQ2b9yZugUp3ZSG83Z5XZwQja8mbCFf75fYuDE6VmpApbywWAo/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 20:38:14 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Mar 11 20:39:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day In-Reply-To: <13787.76854.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <508641.41610.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > This guy in the SFBay area claims to have a Seeburg 222 > Hide-a-way for $100 > > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/clt/1067469683.html Well, if it looks anything like the refrigerator or the stove, I'd offer half that. From dave.halford at telent.com Thu Mar 12 04:05:04 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Thu Mar 12 04:06:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Keyboard Slide Switches In-Reply-To: <9EE812423F3B4E33AE880B7F59803389@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <20090312110507.A06EFAFADB@blade209.la.inty.net> If you have side access to spring contacts and patience you can re-tension them by holding the spring at the base (mounting block) end with a pair of smooth jawed needle nose pliers tilted slightly towards the mating contact and stroking towards the contacts, this puts a gentle (tiny) curve back into the spring. It helps if you have a gram gauge so you can check the amount of tension you end up with. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From jhayes2613 at aol.com Thu Mar 12 04:02:10 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 12 04:09:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws In-Reply-To: <358598.54501.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <358598.54501.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB71192008793D-F40-2231@webmail-dh20.sysops.aol.com> I feel relieved and stupid at the same time, Ron! -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws John, Who wooda thunked of dat--the RIGHT FREAKING SCREWS"--hug, fantastic idea !! Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/11/09, John Hayes wrote: From: John Hayes Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 6:16 PM And, of course, I could try inserting the RIGHT FREAKING SCREWS INTO THE PROPER HOLES. Yeah, the smaller bolts DO just hang there in the deeper holes. I am such a moron... On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:13 PM, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > I would fill the holes with white glue then put wax paper over it and then use tape to hold the wax paper down. Wait 24 hours remove it and drill a small pilot hole then put your screws in you should be set. I have done this before and it works well. > > Regards, Tony > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, list@brandd.com wrote: > > > From: list@brandd.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] '63 Rockola Cabinet-- Stripped screws > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 8:57 PM > > > One temporary trick i've used for loose self-tapping screws in sheet met al is to put a 90 degree bend in a part of a paperclip and stick a length of it into the stripped hole.? It provides a little extra grip and works great in a pinch. > > ~sean > > check out my? blog - www.wurlitzer2000.com > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:26 AM, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > >> Hi, Everyone- >> I removed the amp from my Rhapsody for an amp rebuild. When replacing the unit I found that a couple of the bolt eye holes had become stripped and the bolts just hang there. The unit is staying in place and I have no plans on moving the box anywhere, but what is the best method to address this problem? This is the far corner bracket of the cabinet on the left; the right corner with the power box is the same way with one stripped hole.If memory serves my Starlet was the same way... a couple of the bolts were even missing altogether, so I'm assuming this is a common problem. I've seen this happen once or twice with the leg bolts on pinball machines. >> >> TIA- >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > >? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.n etlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Mar 12 04:54:21 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Mar 12 04:56:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day References: <20090311.203709.1512.0.jjblue4@juno.com> Message-ID: <89BEE0871B07495EB91160D5FB7A19B7@home1903> Jason.....OMG, you need to save your written adventure, that's one for a Jukebox Experience Novel! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day > Oh god PLEASE no one go and look at this. I was told I could have the > unit for 50$. After the guys daughter maybe it sound like it was a > perfect restorable junk that she just came across, when in fact her > father bought it for parts for his other jukes, then left it in the field > for 15 years. The guys house is in the middle of no where, I wasted a day > and tank of gas. The machine is trash, it is rusted to high hell, its > corroded and the amp door was opened with a crow bar, theres is even a > fair amount of grass clippings in it. The tubes are all white from being > blown. There isn't a usable part on it, the carriage has rust and does > the track. The guy thought some one may want one of the transformers, > also rusted. I told him if it was free I may consider hauling it away, > but you should give me 50$ to haul it away. Total junk, to top it the guy > left his well uncovered, I almost lost a tire and suspension. > > Jason > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:05:14 -0500 "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> > writes: >> This guy in the SFBay area claims to have a Seeburg 222 Hide-a-way >> for $100 >> >> >> >> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/clt/1067469683.html >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > Digital Photography - Click Now. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmQ2b9yZugUp3ZSG83Z5XZwQja8mbCFf75fYuDE6VmpApbywWAo/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 12 05:14:35 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Thu Mar 12 05:16:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day In-Reply-To: <89BEE0871B07495EB91160D5FB7A19B7@home1903> Message-ID: <261411.17471.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Here is an even better bargain for folks in the UK. Just cut and paste the link below (ebay uk) I have too much on, otherwise I would be bidding. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEEBURG-JUKEBOX_W0QQitemZ180335359175QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Video_Games_Coin_Operated_MJ?hash=item180335359175&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 --- On Thu, 12/3/09, etreble7 wrote: > From: etreble7 > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, 12 March, 2009, 11:54 AM > Jason.....OMG, you need to save your written adventure, > that's one for a > Jukebox Experience Novel! > Jackie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day > > > > Oh god PLEASE no one go and look at this. I was told I > could have the > > unit for 50$. After the guys daughter maybe it sound > like it was a > > perfect restorable junk that she just came across, > when in fact her > > father bought it for parts for his other jukes, then > left it in the field > > for 15 years. The guys house is in the middle of no > where, I wasted a day > > and tank of gas. The machine is trash, it is rusted to > high hell, its > > corroded and the amp door was opened with a crow bar, > theres is even a > > fair amount of grass clippings in it. The tubes are > all white from being > > blown. There isn't a usable part on it, the > carriage has rust and does > > the track. The guy thought some one may want one of > the transformers, > > also rusted. I told him if it was free I may consider > hauling it away, > > but you should give me 50$ to haul it away. Total > junk, to top it the guy > > left his well uncovered, I almost lost a tire and > suspension. > > > > Jason > > > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:05:14 -0500 "Ssg Rich > Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> > > writes: > >> This guy in the SFBay area claims to have a > Seeburg 222 Hide-a-way > >> for $100 > >> > >> > >> > >> > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/clt/1067469683.html > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Digital Photography - Click Now. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmQ2b9yZugUp3ZSG83Z5XZwQja8mbCFf75fYuDE6VmpApbywWAo/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Mar 12 06:52:29 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Mar 12 06:54:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day Message-ID: <807327.90533.qm@web111512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> More like a chapter in the Jukebox "Hall of Shame" --- On Thu, 3/12/09, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 7:54 AM Jason.....OMG, you need to save your written adventure, that's one for a Jukebox Experience Novel! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day > Oh god PLEASE no one go and look at this. I was told I could have the > unit for 50$. After the guys daughter maybe it sound like it was a > perfect restorable junk that she just came across, when in fact her > father bought it for parts for his other jukes, then left it in the field > for 15 years. The guys house is in the middle of no where, I wasted a day > and tank of gas. The machine is trash, it is rusted to high hell, its > corroded and the amp door was opened with a crow bar, theres is even a > fair amount of grass clippings in it. The tubes are all white from being > blown. There isn't a usable part on it, the carriage has rust and does > the track. The guy thought some one may want one of the transformers, > also rusted. I told him if it was free I may consider hauling it away, > but you should give me 50$ to haul it away. Total junk, to top it the guy > left his well uncovered, I almost lost a tire and suspension. > > Jason > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:05:14 -0500 "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> > writes: >> This guy in the SFBay area claims to have a Seeburg 222 Hide-a-way >> for $100 >> >> >> >> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/clt/1067469683.html >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > Digital Photography - Click Now. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmQ2b9yZugUp3ZSG83Z5XZwQja8mbCFf75fYuDE6VmpApbywWAo/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Mar 12 07:00:25 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Mar 12 07:02:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day Message-ID: <190058.29149.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> LOL!!!!!! Maybe I should check the basement in my Igloo hehehehe!! ? Regards, Tony --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 10:35 PM Tony, you might try looking under the shed--neath the ice ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: From: Lala Blah Blah Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 4:46 PM I bought an AY160 Hideaway about a year ago and I put it in my shed and now damned if I can't find it. Damn those hideaway's really hide well. ? Tony --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:10 PM Duh--Dats cause it's HIDDEN----Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/11/09, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Maybe find o' the day To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 12:18 PM Is the hideaway the one on the left or right? I've never seen one! Narf! Narf! ;-) Rich said: ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:05:14 -0500 From: "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Maybe find o' the day To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Message-ID: <000001c9a25a$c8d86130$5a892390$@net> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? charset="us-ascii" This guy in the SFBay area claims to have a Seeburg 222 Hide-a-way for $100 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/clt/1067469683.html _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 09:04:20 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Thu Mar 12 09:11:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem Message-ID: <108919.73091.qm@web45710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks for your answer Ron. I will try to make myself clearer. The problem is located in the timer relay of the playrak. Of course I don?t know if the timer relay is also the cause of the problem. I have learned in the meantime that with jukeboxes the problem is not always caused by the part that is malfunctioning. The relay is indeed supposed to energize the keyboard coil. But when the timer relay is under tension it will not activate unless you help it a little bit by giving it a tiny slap with a screwdriver or something. This will activate the timer relay and consequently the keyboard coil. Could you please explain what "NC" stands for in "NC contact"? My best guess ?till now is Nickel-Cadmium which is very likely to be incorrect ;-). Do you happen to know the voltage that is supposed to be measured on the coil of the timer relais? Thx, Hans --- El mi?, 11/3/09, Ron Rich escribi?: > De: Ron Rich > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: mi?rcoles, 11 marzo, 2009 6:19 > Hans, > Not quite sure as too what you are describing, so I'm just > guessing here--If the keyboard coil is not being energized, > and you can energize it by "taping the relay, on the head" > in the Playrac, I would check the "key contacts" in the > Playrac, as that is what controls the keyboard coil.Also > check the NC contact that the keyboard solenoid (coil) > operates, as they are famous for not making contact on > Wurlys. If the relay in the Playrac won't pull in, measure > the voltage on it--possible that the power supply is > weak--or one of the NC contacts is not working well. Ron > Rich > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Hans > wrote: > > From: Hans > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:54 AM > > > After having made a selection the coil of the timing relais > (part # 69244) in the playrak is supposed to contract the > relay again, that is as long as there are credits left. Mine > does not do that correctly. The coil is tested OK and it > tries to activate the relais but somehow it does not achieve > that. If you give the relay a small tap "on the head" it > will contract, the relay says "click", but after having made > the selection it?s the same problem again. The playrak was > already cleaned thoroughly. Any ideas where to look??? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Thu Mar 12 09:18:26 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Mar 12 09:20:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem In-Reply-To: <108919.73091.qm@web45710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <108919.73091.qm@web45710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B935D2.2020002@telus.net> Hans wrote: > Thanks for your answer Ron. I will try to make myself clearer. > The problem is located in the timer relay of the playrak. Of course I don?t know if the timer relay is also the cause of the problem. > I have learned in the meantime that with jukeboxes the problem is not always caused by the part that is malfunctioning. > The relay is indeed supposed to energize the keyboard coil. But when the timer relay is under tension it will not activate unless you help it a little bit by giving it a tiny slap with a screwdriver or something. This will activate the timer relay and consequently the keyboard coil. > Could you please explain what "NC" stands for in "NC contact"? My best guess ?till now is Nickel-Cadmium which is very likely to be incorrect ;-). Do you happen to know the voltage that is supposed to be measured on the coil of the timer relais? > Thx, > Hans > NC means Normally Closed. Check that the contact faces are not pitted, and bring them upi to a nice polish with a burnishing tool. John :-#)# > --- El mi?, 11/3/09, Ron Rich escribi?: > > >> De: Ron Rich >> Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem >> Para: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Fecha: mi?rcoles, 11 marzo, 2009 6:19 >> Hans, >> Not quite sure as too what you are describing, so I'm just >> guessing here--If the keyboard coil is not being energized, >> and you can energize it by "taping the relay, on the head" >> in the Playrac, I would check the "key contacts" in the >> Playrac, as that is what controls the keyboard coil.Also >> check the NC contact that the keyboard solenoid (coil) >> operates, as they are famous for not making contact on >> Wurlys. If the relay in the Playrac won't pull in, measure >> the voltage on it--possible that the power supply is >> weak--or one of the NC contacts is not working well. Ron >> Rich >> >> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Hans >> wrote: >> >> From: Hans >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:54 AM >> >> >> After having made a selection the coil of the timing relais >> (part # 69244) in the playrak is supposed to contract the >> relay again, that is as long as there are credits left. Mine >> does not do that correctly. The coil is tested OK and it >> tries to activate the relais but somehow it does not achieve >> that. If you give the relay a small tap "on the head" it >> will contract, the relay says "click", but after having made >> the selection it?s the same problem again. The playrak was >> already cleaned thoroughly. Any ideas where to look??? >> >> >> -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 09:20:39 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Mar 12 09:22:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem Message-ID: <908505.40236.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hans, "NC= "normally closed" (contact), which can be on any set of switch(s) anywhere, including that relay itself. "NO"= "normally open". As for the voltage--just a guess, the schematic will say--25 volts nom. AC or DC ? --see the schematic. How are you "cleaning" contacts ? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Hans wrote: From: Hans Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:04 AM Thanks for your answer Ron. I will try to make myself clearer. The problem is located in the timer relay of the playrak. Of course I don?t know if the timer relay is also the cause of the problem. I have learned in the meantime that with jukeboxes the problem is not always caused by the part that is malfunctioning. The relay is indeed supposed to energize the keyboard coil. But when the timer relay is under tension it will not activate unless you help it a little bit by giving it a tiny slap with a screwdriver or something. This will activate the timer relay and consequently the keyboard coil. Could you please explain what "NC" stands for in "NC contact"? My best guess ?till now is Nickel-Cadmium which is very likely to be incorrect ;-). Do you happen to know the voltage that is supposed to be measured on the coil of the timer relais? Thx, Hans --- El mi?, 11/3/09, Ron Rich escribi?: > De: Ron Rich > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: mi?rcoles, 11 marzo, 2009 6:19 > Hans, > Not quite sure as too what you are describing, so I'm just > guessing here--If the keyboard coil is not being energized, > and you can energize it by "taping the relay, on the head" > in the Playrac, I would check the "key contacts" in the > Playrac, as that is what controls the keyboard coil.Also > check the NC contact that the keyboard solenoid (coil) > operates, as they are famous for not making contact on > Wurlys. If the relay in the Playrac won't pull in, measure > the voltage on it--possible that the power supply is > weak--or one of the NC contacts is not working well. Ron > Rich > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Hans > wrote: > > From: Hans > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:54 AM > > > After having made a selection the coil of the timing relais > (part # 69244) in the playrak is supposed to contract the > relay again, that is as long as there are credits left. Mine > does not do that correctly. The coil is tested OK and it > tries to activate the relais but somehow it does not achieve > that. If you give the relay a small tap "on the head" it > will contract, the relay says "click", but after having made > the selection it?s the same problem again. The playrak was > already cleaned thoroughly. Any ideas where to look??? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 11:56:30 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Thu Mar 12 11:58:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem Message-ID: <763042.46707.qm@web45704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I used to use contact cleaner to clean the contacts, but I read somewhere ;-) that that is not the most suitable cleaner. Did I read something about "sudsy ammonia" or is that only for cleaning mecanical parts? --- El jue, 12/3/09, Ron Rich escribi?: > De: Ron Rich > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: jueves, 12 marzo, 2009 4:20 > Hans, > "NC= "normally closed" (contact), which can be on any set > of switch(s) anywhere, including that relay itself. "NO"= > "normally open". As for the voltage--just a guess, the > schematic will say--25 volts nom. AC or DC ? --see the > schematic. > How are you "cleaning" contacts ? > Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Hans > wrote: > > From: Hans > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:04 AM > > > Thanks for your answer Ron. I will try to make myself > clearer. > The problem is located in the timer relay of the playrak. > Of course I don?t know if the timer relay is also the cause > of the problem. > I have learned in the meantime that with jukeboxes the > problem is not always caused by the part that is > malfunctioning. > The relay is indeed supposed to energize the keyboard coil. > But when the timer relay is under tension it will not > activate unless you help it a little bit by giving it a tiny > slap with a screwdriver or something. This will activate the > timer relay and consequently the keyboard coil. > Could you please explain what "NC" stands for in "NC > contact"? My best guess ?till now is Nickel-Cadmium which > is very likely to be incorrect ;-). Do you happen to know > the voltage that is supposed to be measured on the coil of > the timer relais? > Thx, > Hans > > --- El mi?, 11/3/09, Ron Rich > escribi?: > > > De: Ron Rich > > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > problem > > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Fecha: mi?rcoles, 11 marzo, 2009 6:19 > > Hans, > > Not quite sure as too what you are describing, so I'm > just > > guessing here--If the keyboard coil is not being > energized, > > and you can energize it by "taping the relay, on the > head" > > in the Playrac, I would check the "key contacts" in > the > > Playrac, as that is what controls the keyboard > coil.Also > > check the NC contact that the keyboard solenoid > (coil) > > operates, as they are famous for not making contact > on > > Wurlys. If the relay in the Playrac won't pull in, > measure > > the voltage on it--possible that the power supply is > > weak--or one of the NC contacts is not working well. > Ron > > Rich > > > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Hans > > wrote: > > > > From: Hans > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > problem > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:54 AM > > > > > > After having made a selection the coil of the timing > relais > > (part # 69244) in the playrak is supposed to contract > the > > relay again, that is as long as there are credits > left. Mine > > does not do that correctly. The coil is tested OK and > it > > tries to activate the relais but somehow it does not > achieve > > that. If you give the relay a small tap "on the head" > it > > will contract, the relay says "click", but after > having made > > the selection it?s the same problem again. The > playrak was > > already cleaned thoroughly. Any ideas where to > look??? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists..netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 12:15:38 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Mar 12 12:17:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem Message-ID: <809440.34047.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hans, In my opinion, neither is correct for the type of contact on a relay. IMHO, they should be "cleaned" with a non residue (plastic-safe) "safety solvent", then inspected for "pits/burns", filed, ONLY if there are pits/burns, and then burnished with a burnishing tool till they are smooth. At this point, they usually need to be re-adjusted as per spec.? "Sudsy ammonia" works well on sliding contacts, such as in the "keyboard", and will also work for open-bladed contacts, but can not be used on a relay, since the coil will not like the water that must be used to rinse it. It's still my guess that your problem is dirty contacts--- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Hans wrote: From: Hans Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:56 AM I used to use contact cleaner to clean the contacts, but I read somewhere ;-) that that is not the most suitable cleaner. Did I read something about "sudsy ammonia" or is that only for cleaning mecanical parts? --- El jue, 12/3/09, Ron Rich escribi?: > De: Ron Rich > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: jueves, 12 marzo, 2009 4:20 > Hans, > "NC= "normally closed" (contact), which can be on any set > of switch(s) anywhere, including that relay itself. "NO"= > "normally open". As for the voltage--just a guess, the > schematic will say--25 volts nom. AC or DC ? --see the > schematic. > How are you "cleaning" contacts ? > Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Hans > wrote: > > From: Hans > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:04 AM > > > Thanks for your answer Ron. I will try to make myself > clearer. > The problem is located in the timer relay of the playrak. > Of course I don?t know if the timer relay is also the cause > of the problem. > I have learned in the meantime that with jukeboxes the > problem is not always caused by the part that is > malfunctioning. > The relay is indeed supposed to energize the keyboard coil. > But when the timer relay is under tension it will not > activate unless you help it a little bit by giving it a tiny > slap with a screwdriver or something. This will activate the > timer relay and consequently the keyboard coil. > Could you please explain what "NC" stands for in "NC > contact"? My best guess ?till now is Nickel-Cadmium which > is very likely to be incorrect ;-). Do you happen to know > the voltage that is supposed to be measured on the coil of > the timer relais? > Thx, > Hans > > --- El mi?, 11/3/09, Ron Rich > escribi?: > > > De: Ron Rich > > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > problem > > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Fecha: mi?rcoles, 11 marzo, 2009 6:19 > > Hans, > > Not quite sure as too what you are describing, so I'm > just > > guessing here--If the keyboard coil is not being > energized, > > and you can energize it by "taping the relay, on the > head" > > in the Playrac, I would check the "key contacts" in > the > > Playrac, as that is what controls the keyboard > coil.Also > > check the NC contact that the keyboard solenoid > (coil) > > operates, as they are famous for not making contact > on > > Wurlys. If the relay in the Playrac won't pull in, > measure > > the voltage on it--possible that the power supply is > > weak--or one of the NC contacts is not working well. > Ron > > Rich > > > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Hans > > wrote: > > > > From: Hans > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > problem > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:54 AM > > > > > > After having made a selection the coil of the timing > relais > > (part # 69244) in the playrak is supposed to contract > the > > relay again, that is as long as there are credits > left. Mine > > does not do that correctly. The coil is tested OK and > it > > tries to activate the relais but somehow it does not > achieve > > that. If you give the relay a small tap "on the head" > it > > will contract, the relay says "click", but after > having made > > the selection it?s the same problem again. The > playrak was > > already cleaned thoroughly. Any ideas where to > look??? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists..netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Mar 12 21:55:47 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Mar 12 21:57:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 556 amplifier question References: <809440.34047.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c9a397$f9d1b870$87d34109@ZURNT60> I am re-capping a W556 Amplifier and I need some information, please. Can someone direct me to a good replacement for the 3A Silicone Rectifier Diodes? These are marked D3, D4, D5, D6 in the (pg 5E in the1050 supplement) schematic Wurlitzer part # 71588-21 or -22 (pg 9F in the 3700 manual) One of them broke while I was desoldering for C18... so I need to replace it...need to do them all. Any help is appreciated. Jeff From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Mar 13 06:33:44 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Mar 13 06:35:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 556 amplifier question Message-ID: <803992.60076.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You can get some nice diodes on Ebay. I chucked my old silicon rectifier in the trash that was in my Wurlitzer 2710 as it was the Selenium wafer style one and they are dangerous if the go up in smoke. I used 5 /6 amp military stock diodes to make my rectifier it does not take long and ever takes up less room. If you want some of them contact me off list and I will sell you?what you need. ? P.S. The higher the rating on the diodes the better as it means they can handle more. Just as the rule goes with Capacitors... the higher the voltage rating the more they can handle. I also find that they last longer. One rule of thumb I follow.. if in doubt replace it. If they are electrolytic capacitors in most cases if they are not bad now they soon will be (refering to vintage equipment). The disc type caps usually don't give trouble. In Seeburg jukes they used alot of pink caps with yellow writing on them called Tiny Chief they are almost always leakers. A good example of this is the Seeburg V200 tormat as it is full of those caps. ? Hope this helps, Regards, Tony ? Regards Tony? --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 556 amplifier question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, March 13, 2009, 12:55 AM I am re-capping a W556 Amplifier and I need some information, please. Can someone direct me to a good replacement for the 3A Silicone Rectifier Diodes? These are marked D3, D4, D5, D6 in the (pg 5E in the1050 supplement) schematic Wurlitzer part # 71588-21 or -22 (pg 9F in the 3700 manual) One of them broke while I was desoldering for C18... so I need to replace it...need to do them all. Any help is appreciated. Jeff _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 08:48:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 13 08:49:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 556 amplifier question Message-ID: <349743.33799.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tony, I agree on replacing both the caps and diodes--however the Seeburg "V 200 Tormat" nor ANY "Tormat" contains NO caps--Prehaps you are speaking of the "Tormat Selection Receiver" ("TSR-1")( aka. "control center")?, which did contain thse "pink" or red caps, which are "paper" caps covered in a plastic case. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: From: Lala Blah Blah Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 556 amplifier question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 6:33 AM You can get some nice diodes on Ebay. I chucked my old silicon rectifier in the trash that was in my Wurlitzer 2710 as it was the Selenium wafer style one and they are dangerous if the go up in smoke. I used 5 /6 amp military stock diodes to make my rectifier it does not take long and ever takes up less room. If you want some of them contact me off list and I will sell you?what you need. ? P.S. The higher the rating on the diodes the better as it means they can handle more. Just as the rule goes with Capacitors... the higher the voltage rating the more they can handle. I also find that they last longer. One rule of thumb I follow.. if in doubt replace it. If they are electrolytic capacitors in most cases if they are not bad now they soon will be (refering to vintage equipment). The disc type caps usually don't give trouble. In Seeburg jukes they used alot of pink caps with yellow writing on them called Tiny Chief they are almost always leakers. A good example of this is the Seeburg V200 tormat as it is full of those caps. ? Hope this helps, Regards, Tony ? Regards Tony? --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 556 amplifier question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, March 13, 2009, 12:55 AM I am re-capping a W556 Amplifier and I need some information, please. Can someone direct me to a good replacement for the 3A Silicone Rectifier Diodes? These are marked D3, D4, D5, D6 in the (pg 5E in the1050 supplement) schematic Wurlitzer part # 71588-21 or -22 (pg 9F in the 3700 manual) One of them broke while I was desoldering for C18... so I need to replace it...need to do them all. Any help is appreciated. Jeff _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Mar 13 09:03:13 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Mar 13 09:04:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 556 amplifier question Message-ID: <761904.37668.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Ron.. yes I ment the selection reciever. Those pink caps are ALWAYS known to be bad. --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 556 amplifier question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, March 13, 2009, 11:48 AM Tony, I agree on replacing both the caps and diodes--however the Seeburg "V 200 Tormat" nor ANY "Tormat" contains NO caps--Prehaps you are speaking of the "Tormat Selection Receiver" ("TSR-1")( aka. "control center")?, which did contain thse "pink" or red caps, which are "paper" caps covered in a plastic case. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: From: Lala Blah Blah Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 556 amplifier question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 6:33 AM You can get some nice diodes on Ebay. I chucked my old silicon rectifier in the trash that was in my Wurlitzer 2710 as it was the Selenium wafer style one and they are dangerous if the go up in smoke. I used 5 /6 amp military stock diodes to make my rectifier it does not take long and ever takes up less room. If you want some of them contact me off list and I will sell you?what you need. ? P.S. The higher the rating on the diodes the better as it means they can handle more. Just as the rule goes with Capacitors... the higher the voltage rating the more they can handle. I also find that they last longer. One rule of thumb I follow.. if in doubt replace it. If they are electrolytic capacitors in most cases if they are not bad now they soon will be (refering to vintage equipment). The disc type caps usually don't give trouble. In Seeburg jukes they used alot of pink caps with yellow writing on them called Tiny Chief they are almost always leakers. A good example of this is the Seeburg V200 tormat as it is full of those caps. ? Hope this helps, Regards, Tony ? Regards Tony? --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 556 amplifier question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, March 13, 2009, 12:55 AM I am re-capping a W556 Amplifier and I need some information, please. Can someone direct me to a good replacement for the 3A Silicone Rectifier Diodes? These are marked D3, D4, D5, D6 in the (pg 5E in the1050 supplement) schematic Wurlitzer part # 71588-21 or -22 (pg 9F in the 3700 manual) One of them broke while I was desoldering for C18... so I need to replace it...need to do them all. Any help is appreciated. Jeff _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! 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Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Mar 13 10:22:52 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Mar 13 10:26:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 556 amplifier question Message-ID: <20090313.132252.20805.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Since you are in process of re building your W 556 amplifier (model 3800juke?), just wanted to point out that there have been several minor retro-fit modifications engineered to improve the performance, stability and dependability of this early direct-coupled amplifier design. I believe these are Wurlitzer-engineered changes. John Robertson, a regular contributor to this forum, shows these circuit mods in detail on his website. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bp6yo7dLePtsvTa1uNsULSIyYk2mZRoNrNuYzumNfUGYx31YQY/ From jeffzurn at cox.net Fri Mar 13 11:33:47 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Fri Mar 13 11:35:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 556 amplifier question References: <20090313.132252.20805.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000801c9a40a$3fed8a10$87d34109@ZURNT60> Thanks, Jim. John actually has the information I was seeking in my original post (diode replacement info). I shoulda' dug further. Thank you John, for providing this information on your website. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 556 amplifier question Gentlemen: Since you are in process of re building your W 556 amplifier (model 3800juke?), just wanted to point out that there have been several minor retro-fit modifications engineered to improve the performance, stability and dependability of this early direct-coupled amplifier design. I believe these are Wurlitzer-engineered changes. John Robertson, a regular contributor to this forum, shows these circuit mods in detail on his website. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bp6yo7dLePtsvTa1uNsULSIyYk2mZRoNrNuYzumNfUGYx31YQY/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 13 18:31:52 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Fri Mar 13 18:33:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: Jeff, you can still get semiconductors at most radio shacks, and also Newark or MCM Electronics. Both have online ordering and rather inexpensive compared to most places that sell complete rebuild kits. I've often wondered why these guys sell just cap kits and not caps & resistors together. Resistors are cheap and usually come in packs of five or more so you have left over for the next amp or selection receiver repair Happy Soldering Rick From: Jeff Zurn Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 556 amplifier question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, March 13, 2009, 12:55 AM I am re-capping a W556 Amplifier and I need some information, please. Can someone direct me to a good replacement for the 3A Silicone Rectifier Diodes? These are marked D3, D4, D5, D6 in the (pg 5E in the1050 supplement) schematic Wurlitzer part # 71588-21 or -22 (pg 9F in the 3700 manual) One of them broke while I was desoldering for C18... so I need to replace it...need to do them all. Any help is appreciated. Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 From Jjmscf at aol.com Fri Mar 13 18:28:51 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 13 18:36:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Local Goodwill has no vinyl records, a sign of the times? :( Message-ID: I know we all don't buy or can afford brand new records for our jukes especially of we are going to part with one. I usually check out local thrift stores and flea markets for clean used 45s and sometimes LPs to play in my HSC1. I hadn't been to the Salisbury,MD Goodwill in a while so I decided to stop. Usually there was always a shelf or 2 of LPs which was gradually getting smaller and some 45s.To my disappointment there was not a vinyl record in the place(Not even the usual never selling Lawrence Welk and other easy listening drek) . I wonder if they stopped taking them in? J.C. **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From ianzap at hotmail.com Sat Mar 14 12:08:33 2009 From: ianzap at hotmail.com (Ian Zapczynski) Date: Sat Mar 14 12:18:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Local Goodwill has no vinyl records, a sign of the times? :( In-Reply-To: <20090314190003.5063FAABBE@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090314190003.5063FAABBE@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Of course I don't know for sure, but my guess is that they are still taking them in, but due to the slight vinyl revival that is occurring, many of the Goodwill's are selling their records for crazy prices on their website. I suspect they've just taken the records and are doing that with them. The bummer is that many of the records given to the Goodwill are in no better than fair condition, yet Goodwill doesn't take condition into consideration and has been known to attempt to charge $30 for a totally beat-up common Beatles album. So the good news is I suspect this does not mean that vinyl is going away, but that instead it's come back again. Trouble is, with many ignorant buyers and sellers out there, this just makes it more difficult for us vinyl lovers to get good quality records at a fair price. -Ian > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:28:51 EDT > From: Jjmscf@aol.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Local Goodwill has no vinyl records, a sign of > the times? :( > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I know we all don't buy or can afford brand new records for our jukes > especially of we are going to part with one. I usually check out local thrift > stores and flea markets for clean used 45s and sometimes LPs to play in my HSC1. I > hadn't been to the Salisbury,MD Goodwill in a while so I decided to stop. > Usually there was always a shelf or 2 of LPs which was gradually getting smaller > and some 45s.To my disappointment there was not a vinyl record in the > place(Not even the usual never selling Lawrence Welk and other easy listening drek) > . I wonder if they stopped taking them in? > > J.C. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Mar 14 13:51:33 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Mar 14 13:53:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Local Goodwill has no vinyl records, a sign of the times? :( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <528527.11363.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > To my disappointment there was not a vinyl > record in the > place(Not even the usual never selling Lawrence Welk and > other easy listening drek) Hey! You watch what you're sayin' 'bout my man Larry Dub! Seriously, I'm not a big fan of Welk's vocalists and such, but when it's just the band playing, it is *tight*. That bunch plays like a single musical instrument. You have to admire the still and prectice it takes to do that if nothing else. I've got the canonical Coral recording of his theme song "Bubbles in the Wine" (backed with an equally technically amazing rendition of "Josephine") in my M100-A and sometimes I actually play it. When the neighbors aren't home. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Mar 14 14:48:39 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Mar 14 14:50:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Local Goodwill has no vinyl records, a sign of the times? :( Message-ID: <99545.13511.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Remember Freeburg's "Turn Off the Bubble Machine" ?? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 3/14/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Local Goodwill has no vinyl records, a sign of the times? :( To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 1:51 PM --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > To my disappointment there was not a vinyl > record in the > place(Not? even the usual never selling Lawrence Welk and > other easy listening drek) Hey!? You watch what you're sayin' 'bout my man Larry Dub! Seriously, I'm not a big fan of Welk's vocalists and such, but when it's just the band playing, it is *tight*.? That bunch plays like a single musical instrument.? You have to admire the still and prectice it takes to do that if nothing else.? I've got the canonical Coral recording of his theme song "Bubbles in the Wine" (backed with an equally technically amazing rendition of "Josephine") in my M100-A and sometimes I actually play it.? When the neighbors aren't home. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Mar 14 15:36:58 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Mar 14 15:38:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Local Goodwill has no vinyl records, a sign of the times? :( Message-ID: <6EFD1B3F39524207899AE48AC7350FDA@VistaServer> Wunnerfulll, Wunnerfulll, Turn off-a-da bubble machinea...... From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Mar 14 17:50:55 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Mar 14 17:52:31 2009 Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] Local Goodwill has no vinyl records, a sign of the times? :( Message-ID: <40010.78364.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Ron Rich wrote: > David, Remember Freeburg's "Turn Off the Bubble > Machine" ?? Ron Rich I do (although I'll hasten to add it was released before I was born). In fact, I have a copy of it on 45 around here somewhere. Freburg has Welk's mannerisms down cold, but his voice is a little to low to make it an exect impersonation. On the subject of Welk, after my Grandparents retired they had a house in southern California to spend the winters in; first in La Jolla, later in Palm Springs. They occasionally went to Welk's restaurant in Escondido. Occasionally Welk would pass through and greet the guests. After he'd left, my Grandfather (an inveterate practical joker) would invariably say to the waitress, "He sure has that accent down. I'd swear he was really from a german farmer family in the midwest." The waitress, of course, would ask what he meant. "Well," he'd say conspiratorially, "My cousin knows his agent, and the accent is just an act. The figured he needed a hook to make him stand out from the other big band leaders, so he adopted the phoney accent, and he's used it ever since!" Most of Welk's own employees who my grandfather told that story to believed him! From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Mar 14 19:35:42 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sat Mar 14 19:37:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Local Goodwill has no vinyl records, a sign of the times? :( References: Message-ID: <9E05E993EA25459EB57435CDF87146CF@home1903> JC, I agree, I have found less and less, but I also know there is a difference in the 3 Goodwills I go to. The one in Annapolis is the best for vinyl, I always find something...at least one good LP or a few 45's. No 78's to be found there, they told me they throw them out when they get donated????? How the heck are you, haven't talked to you in a very long time?! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Local Goodwill has no vinyl records,a sign of the times? :( >I know we all don't buy or can afford brand new records for our jukes > especially of we are going to part with one. I usually check out local > thrift > stores and flea markets for clean used 45s and sometimes LPs to play in my > HSC1. I > hadn't been to the Salisbury,MD Goodwill in a while so I decided to stop. > Usually there was always a shelf or 2 of LPs which was gradually getting > smaller > and some 45s.To my disappointment there was not a vinyl record in the > place(Not even the usual never selling Lawrence Welk and other easy > listening drek) > . I wonder if they stopped taking them in? > > J.C. > > > **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 13:23:18 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David) Date: Sun Mar 15 12:26:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer fuse caps Message-ID: <001201c9a5ab$e18bdc80$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> I am missing several ( well a bunch) of fuse caps for a variety of 60's era amp and other Wurlitzer items. Any body have a source? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 12:44:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Mar 15 12:45:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer fuse caps Message-ID: <210062.56709.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Which brand fuse caps, and which series, of that brand--There have been at least three companies that I know of that made posts, and caps. The caps do NOT interchange between brands, and sometimes between series.? You probably will need to change the whole assemblies at this point in time "Google" "Bussman", and "Littlefuse"-----Ron Rich --- On Sun, 3/15/09, David wrote: From: David Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer fuse caps To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 1:23 PM I am missing several ( well a bunch) of fuse caps for a variety of 60's era amp and other Wurlitzer items. Any body have a source? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Mar 15 13:23:08 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Mar 15 13:24:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer fuse caps In-Reply-To: <001201c9a5ab$e18bdc80$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> References: <001201c9a5ab$e18bdc80$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Message-ID: <49BD63AC.4000504@west.net> David wrote: > I am missing several ( well a bunch) of fuse caps for a variety of 60's era amp > and other Wurlitzer items. Any body have a source? 1960s era Wurlitzer amplifiers use Buss HKP fuseholders. I don't know of a source for just the caps, but the entire fuseholder is $2.40 from Mouser. http://mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=504-hkp -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Mar 15 15:01:28 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Mar 15 15:04:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer fuse caps Message-ID: <20090315.180128.2307.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hello Dave: Many of the fuse caps from the bayonet-type fuseholders of different manufacturers will not interchange between one another. You will generally need to buy and replace the entire fuseholder. One of the biggest OEM suppliers to the jukebox industry in the 60's was the Bussman Co.,who are in business today. I'm referring you to a electronics wholesale supply house in Lake Park Fl. that I do business with. They specialize in buying overstocks, odd lots and leftover inventories. Prices for basic parts are much better than what you'd typically pay from Newark, Mouser, etc.,especially if you need to buy in quantity. On occasion they've had Bussman fusecaps only for sale,but only when they can get them. The company is Marlin P Jones & Assoc. electronics. Their on line store is at www.mpja.com. Go to the section marked "fuses and circuit breakers" then click on "AGC type fuses". Their part no. for a Bussman HK style complete fuseholder is # 4476FH. I believe the cost for this part is 0.75 ea. in lots of 10 or more. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bmvXmGp0NBesrYxMHwg7ztQUWqBAEiImpJaim7SCbf0nM8EYkI/ From recordhound at verizon.net Sun Mar 15 16:12:44 2009 From: recordhound at verizon.net (Jimmy Day) Date: Sun Mar 15 16:14:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl records - Plenty Still Around! Message-ID: <081D47E5BE114F17BF429F5945E04D77@screwylo> Hey gang - I bought a whole load of LPs. I just can't get enough. Might need to get another Seeburg AP2. I have many many classic rock and jazz, they are all are from a record store so they have the clear protective sleeve for the jacket. We had estimated upwards of 1000 records - I just now unloaded them from the truck. It will take me a few days to get them sorted and if anyone has any particular wants, let me know. A few are autographed. Reply off-list if you like, recordhound@verizon.net. *jimmy the jukebox record hound From Carl.Lynne.Sullivan at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 18:39:24 2009 From: Carl.Lynne.Sullivan at gmail.com (Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com) Date: Sun Mar 15 18:41:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Manual Wurlitzer 2304 Message-ID: <00221532c75c39d6c10465328526@google.com> I just bought a "as is" Wurlitzer 2304 and it came with a "Service - Parts - Troubleshooting Manual". It has 70 pages with 8 pages of trouble shooting charts. The previous owner was having problem with the 2 amp DC fuse blowing out. I replaced the fuse and the lights worked but, nothing else. So I started digging into the guide and it had a lot of info on adjustments and the general knowledge on how it works but, is there a more complete guide. On to my second jukebox and now I have the bug.... Thanks, in advance for any advice. From jay at west.net Sun Mar 15 18:40:53 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Mar 15 18:42:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer fuse caps In-Reply-To: <20090315.180128.2307.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090315.180128.2307.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <49BDAE25.7020506@west.net> James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Dave: > Many of the fuse caps from the bayonet-type fuseholders of different manufacturers will not interchange between one another. You will generally need to buy and replace the entire fuseholder. One of the biggest OEM suppliers to the jukebox industry in the 60's was the Bussman Co.,who are in business today. > I'm referring you to a electronics wholesale supply house in Lake Park Fl. that I do business with. They specialize in buying overstocks, odd lots and leftover inventories. Prices for basic parts are much better than what you'd typically pay from Newark, Mouser, etc.,especially if you need to buy in quantity. On occasion they've had Bussman fusecaps only for sale,but only when they can get them. > The company is Marlin P Jones & Assoc. electronics. Their on line store is at www.mpja.com. Go to the section marked "fuses and circuit breakers" then click on "AGC type fuses". Their part no. for a Bussman HK style complete fuseholder is # 4476FH. > I believe the cost for this part is 0.75 ea. in lots of 10 or more. That isn't a Bussman HKP. It's a Chinese generic part. Note the multi-turn cap. A genuine Buss HKP is a 1/4 turn bayonet cap. Those fuseholders will likely work as replacements but you'll need to unsolder the wires and replace the entire component. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinball at telus.net Sun Mar 15 18:55:05 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Mar 15 18:56:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer fuse caps In-Reply-To: <49BDAE25.7020506@west.net> References: <20090315.180128.2307.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> <49BDAE25.7020506@west.net> Message-ID: <49BDB179.60504@telus.net> Jay Hennigan wrote: > > James Alexander wrote: >> >> Hello Dave: >> Many of the fuse caps from the bayonet-type fuseholders of different >> manufacturers will not interchange between one another. You will >> generally need to buy and replace the entire fuseholder. One of >> the biggest OEM suppliers to the jukebox industry in the 60's was the >> Bussman Co.,who are in business today. >> I'm referring you to a electronics wholesale supply house in Lake >> Park Fl. that I do business with. They specialize in buying >> overstocks, odd lots and leftover inventories. Prices for basic >> parts are much better than what you'd typically pay from Newark, >> Mouser, etc.,especially if you need to buy in quantity. On occasion >> they've had Bussman fusecaps only for sale,but only when they can get >> them. The company is Marlin P Jones & Assoc. electronics. >> Their on line store is at www.mpja.com. Go to the section marked >> "fuses and circuit breakers" then click on "AGC type fuses". >> Their part no. for a Bussman HK style complete fuseholder is # 4476FH. >> I believe the cost for this part is 0.75 ea. in lots of 10 or more. > > That isn't a Bussman HKP. It's a Chinese generic part. Note the > multi-turn cap. A genuine Buss HKP is a 1/4 turn bayonet cap. Those > fuseholders will likely work as replacements but you'll need to > unsolder the wires and replace the entire component. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV BG Micro has some bayonet style holders - no idea who made them, so they might not fit. $0.59 each! http://www.bgmicro.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=12852 John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jay at west.net Sun Mar 15 21:40:03 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Mar 15 21:41:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer fuse caps In-Reply-To: <49BDB179.60504@telus.net> References: <20090315.180128.2307.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> <49BDAE25.7020506@west.net> <49BDB179.60504@telus.net> Message-ID: <49BDD823.4090609@west.net> John Robertson wrote: > BG Micro has some bayonet style holders - no idea who made them, so they > might not fit. $0.59 each! > > http://www.bgmicro.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=12852 The photo sure looks like a Buss HKP, but the description says "Metric" so it probably doesn't fit a 3AG 1/4 x 1 1/4 fuse. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Mar 15 22:35:28 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Mar 15 22:38:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer fuse caps Message-ID: <20090316.013528.17665.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: FYI: I've bought and successfully used the Marlin P Jones fuseholders to to replace cracked/broken Bussman fuseholders on various jukeboxes without having to do any cutting, fitting etc. No problems with quality, either. In this flat economy, just thought that a money-saving tip would be appreciated. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9CyOrSQnG1L1iyc9uHVVAY8K78upkvmCvwJzERe6TcnYoAkhpu/ From kentteffeteller at hotmail.com Mon Mar 16 09:21:30 2009 From: kentteffeteller at hotmail.com (Kent Teffeteller) Date: Mon Mar 16 09:23:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <20090315190003.E88BCAADD4@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090315190003.E88BCAADD4@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I just scored 100 nice 45 RPM singles from a used store stock. Paid $10 for all. Only about 3 of them were too noisy for my needs. Good old Country, Pop, and R&B from the 1950's-1980's. Cleaned all those singles last night. Kent Teffeteller (too many degrees to list) Jukebox Content: Some of these are going to be put in my Seeburg AY-160 with Teardrop Speaker option. Superb original box which only needed minor electronic restoration. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 09:22:52 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Mon Mar 16 09:31:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem Message-ID: <186372.9148.qm@web45714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Seems like a nice job for a rainy weekend... though we don?t have a lot of these here in Spain. I?m going to try what you advice and I?ll report back then. Thx a lot! --- El jue, 12/3/09, Ron Rich escribi?: > De: Ron Rich > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: jueves, 12 marzo, 2009 7:15 > Hans, > In my opinion, neither is correct for the type of contact > on a relay. IMHO, they should be "cleaned" with a non > residue (plastic-safe) "safety solvent", then inspected for > "pits/burns", filed, ONLY if there are pits/burns, and then > burnished with a burnishing tool till they are smooth. At > this point, they usually need to be re-adjusted as per > spec.? > "Sudsy ammonia" works well on sliding contacts, such as in > the "keyboard", and will also work for open-bladed contacts, > but can not be used on a relay, since the coil will not like > the water that must be used to rinse it. > It's still my guess that your problem is dirty contacts--- > Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Hans > wrote: > > From: Hans > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:56 AM > > > I used to use contact cleaner to clean the contacts, but I > read somewhere ;-) that that is not the most suitable > cleaner. Did I read something about "sudsy ammonia" or is > that only for cleaning mecanical parts? > > --- El jue, 12/3/09, Ron Rich > escribi?: > > > De: Ron Rich > > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > problem > > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Fecha: jueves, 12 marzo, 2009 4:20 > > Hans, > > "NC= "normally closed" (contact), which can be on any > set > > of switch(s) anywhere, including that relay itself. > "NO"= > > "normally open". As for the voltage--just a guess, > the > > schematic will say--25 volts nom. AC or DC ? --see > the > > schematic. > > How are you "cleaning" contacts ? > > Ron Rich > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Hans > > wrote: > > > > From: Hans > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > > problem > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:04 AM > > > > > > Thanks for your answer Ron. I will try to make myself > > clearer. > > The problem is located in the timer relay of the > playrak. > > Of course I don?t know if the timer relay is also the > cause > > of the problem. > > I have learned in the meantime that with jukeboxes > the > > problem is not always caused by the part that is > > malfunctioning. > > The relay is indeed supposed to energize the keyboard > coil. > > But when the timer relay is under tension it will not > > activate unless you help it a little bit by giving it > a tiny > > slap with a screwdriver or something. This will > activate the > > timer relay and consequently the keyboard coil. > > Could you please explain what "NC" stands for in "NC > > contact"? My best guess ?till now is Nickel-Cadmium > which > > is very likely to be incorrect ;-). Do you happen to > know > > the voltage that is supposed to be measured on the > coil of > > the timer relais? > > Thx, > > Hans > > > > --- El mi?, 11/3/09, Ron Rich > > escribi?: > > > > > De: Ron Rich > > > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 > selection > > problem > > > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > > > Fecha: mi?rcoles, 11 marzo, 2009 6:19 > > > Hans, > > > Not quite sure as too what you are describing, so > I'm > > just > > > guessing here--If the keyboard coil is not being > > energized, > > > and you can energize it by "taping the relay, on > the > > head" > > > in the Playrac, I would check the "key contacts" > in > > the > > > Playrac, as that is what controls the keyboard > > coil.Also > > > check the NC contact that the keyboard solenoid > > (coil) > > > operates, as they are famous for not making > contact > > on > > > Wurlys. If the relay in the Playrac won't pull > in, > > measure > > > the voltage on it--possible that the power supply > is > > > weak--or one of the NC contacts is not working > well. > > Ron > > > Rich > > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Hans > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Hans > > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 > selection > > problem > > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:54 AM > > > > > > > > > After having made a selection the coil of the > timing > > relais > > > (part # 69244) in the playrak is supposed to > contract > > the > > > relay again, that is as long as there are > credits > > left. Mine > > > does not do that correctly. The coil is tested OK > and > > it > > > tries to activate the relais but somehow it does > not > > achieve > > > that. If you give the relay a small tap "on the > head" > > it > > > will contract, the relay says "click", but after > > having made > > > the selection it?s the same problem again. The > > playrak was > > > already cleaned thoroughly. Any ideas where to > > look??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists..netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeremy at dwave.net Mon Mar 16 09:40:57 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Mon Mar 16 09:42:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: References: <20090315190003.E88BCAADD4@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <20090316163942.M46391@dwave.net> Sounds like a great score Kent Way to go! Post a few picks of your juke for the rest of us to see (photobucket or other service) Jeremy Agema On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:21:30 +0000, Kent Teffeteller wrote > Hi all, > > I just scored 100 nice 45 RPM singles from a used store stock. Paid > $10 for all. Only about 3 of them were too noisy for my needs. Good > old Country, Pop, and R&B from the 1950's-1980's. Cleaned all those > singles last night. > > Kent Teffeteller (too many degrees to list) > > Jukebox Content: Some of these are going to be put in my Seeburg AY- > 160 with Teardrop Speaker option. Superb original box which only > needed minor electronic restoration. > > _________________________________________________________________ [WINDOWS-1252?]> Windows Live? Contacts: Organize your contact list. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog- cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009________________________________________ _______ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Mar 16 11:01:36 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Mar 16 11:04:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 15 Message-ID: <20090316.140136.20027.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hello Kent: You mentioned here that some of your records are noisy (surface noise?) A record cleaner that has been around for a long time is the economical Discwasher D4. Its now being sold at Amazon. com and other on line stores. Treating your records with D4 lowers surface noise and anti-static ticks/pops in most cases. Treat really dirty/dusty records with D4 after washing them in soap/water. If the grooves on your noisy records have a grayish look to them, this indicates a lot of play/wear and the Discwasher won't be a help in this case. To apply Discwasher, you'll need to have a conventional phono turntable or record player available. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Top travel deals! Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYU8HZ7tgjlA8bY4EvdoE7NTTnNO4dHJIaHkgIkUIpmz4PWOS5qXVO/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 11:40:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Mar 16 11:43:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem Message-ID: <937972.22123.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hans, But I thought that it did rain in Spain--on the plain---? Good luck, Ron Rich --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Hans wrote: From: Hans Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 9:22 AM Seems like a nice job for a rainy weekend... though we don?t have a lot of these here in Spain. I?m going to try what you advice and I?ll report back then. Thx a lot! --- El jue, 12/3/09, Ron Rich escribi?: > De: Ron Rich > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: jueves, 12 marzo, 2009 7:15 > Hans, > In my opinion, neither is correct for the type of contact > on a relay. IMHO, they should be "cleaned" with a non > residue (plastic-safe) "safety solvent", then inspected for > "pits/burns", filed, ONLY if there are pits/burns, and then > burnished with a burnishing tool till they are smooth. At > this point, they usually need to be re-adjusted as per > spec.? > "Sudsy ammonia" works well on sliding contacts, such as in > the "keyboard", and will also work for open-bladed contacts, > but can not be used on a relay, since the coil will not like > the water that must be used to rinse it. > It's still my guess that your problem is dirty contacts--- > Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Hans > wrote: > > From: Hans > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:56 AM > > > I used to use contact cleaner to clean the contacts, but I > read somewhere ;-) that that is not the most suitable > cleaner. Did I read something about "sudsy ammonia" or is > that only for cleaning mecanical parts? > > --- El jue, 12/3/09, Ron Rich > escribi?: > > > De: Ron Rich > > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > problem > > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Fecha: jueves, 12 marzo, 2009 4:20 > > Hans, > > "NC= "normally closed" (contact), which can be on any > set > > of switch(s) anywhere, including that relay itself. > "NO"= > > "normally open". As for the voltage--just a guess, > the > > schematic will say--25 volts nom. AC or DC ? --see > the > > schematic. > > How are you "cleaning" contacts ? > > Ron Rich > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Hans > > wrote: > > > > From: Hans > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > > problem > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:04 AM > > > > > > Thanks for your answer Ron. I will try to make myself > > clearer. > > The problem is located in the timer relay of the > playrak. > > Of course I don?t know if the timer relay is also the > cause > > of the problem. > > I have learned in the meantime that with jukeboxes > the > > problem is not always caused by the part that is > > malfunctioning. > > The relay is indeed supposed to energize the keyboard > coil. > > But when the timer relay is under tension it will not > > activate unless you help it a little bit by giving it > a tiny > > slap with a screwdriver or something. This will > activate the > > timer relay and consequently the keyboard coil. > > Could you please explain what "NC" stands for in "NC > > contact"? My best guess ?till now is Nickel-Cadmium > which > > is very likely to be incorrect ;-). Do you happen to > know > > the voltage that is supposed to be measured on the > coil of > > the timer relais? > > Thx, > > Hans > > > > --- El mi?, 11/3/09, Ron Rich > > escribi?: > > > > > De: Ron Rich > > > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 > selection > > problem > > > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > > > Fecha: mi?rcoles, 11 marzo, 2009 6:19 > > > Hans, > > > Not quite sure as too what you are describing, so > I'm > > just > > > guessing here--If the keyboard coil is not being > > energized, > > > and you can energize it by "taping the relay, on > the > > head" > > > in the Playrac, I would check the "key contacts" > in > > the > > > Playrac, as that is what controls the keyboard > > coil.Also > > > check the NC contact that the keyboard solenoid > > (coil) > > > operates, as they are famous for not making > contact > > on > > > Wurlys. If the relay in the Playrac won't pull > in, > > measure > > > the voltage on it--possible that the power supply > is > > > weak--or one of the NC contacts is not working > well. > > Ron > > > Rich > > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Hans > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Hans > > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 > selection > > problem > > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:54 AM > > > > > > > > > After having made a selection the coil of the > timing > > relais > > > (part # 69244) in the playrak is supposed to > contract > > the > > > relay again, that is as long as there are > credits > > left. Mine > > > does not do that correctly. The coil is tested OK > and > > it > > > tries to activate the relais but somehow it does > not > > achieve > > > that. If you give the relay a small tap "on the > head" > > it > > > will contract, the relay says "click", but after > > having made > > > the selection it?s the same problem again. The > > playrak was > > > already cleaned thoroughly. Any ideas where to > > look??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists..netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 11:40:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Mar 16 11:48:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem Message-ID: <937972.22123.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hans, But I thought that it did rain in Spain--on the plain---? Good luck, Ron Rich --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Hans wrote: From: Hans Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 9:22 AM Seems like a nice job for a rainy weekend... though we don?t have a lot of these here in Spain. I?m going to try what you advice and I?ll report back then. Thx a lot! --- El jue, 12/3/09, Ron Rich escribi?: > De: Ron Rich > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: jueves, 12 marzo, 2009 7:15 > Hans, > In my opinion, neither is correct for the type of contact > on a relay. IMHO, they should be "cleaned" with a non > residue (plastic-safe) "safety solvent", then inspected for > "pits/burns", filed, ONLY if there are pits/burns, and then > burnished with a burnishing tool till they are smooth. At > this point, they usually need to be re-adjusted as per > spec.? > "Sudsy ammonia" works well on sliding contacts, such as in > the "keyboard", and will also work for open-bladed contacts, > but can not be used on a relay, since the coil will not like > the water that must be used to rinse it. > It's still my guess that your problem is dirty contacts--- > Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Hans > wrote: > > From: Hans > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:56 AM > > > I used to use contact cleaner to clean the contacts, but I > read somewhere ;-) that that is not the most suitable > cleaner. Did I read something about "sudsy ammonia" or is > that only for cleaning mecanical parts? > > --- El jue, 12/3/09, Ron Rich > escribi?: > > > De: Ron Rich > > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > problem > > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Fecha: jueves, 12 marzo, 2009 4:20 > > Hans, > > "NC= "normally closed" (contact), which can be on any > set > > of switch(s) anywhere, including that relay itself. > "NO"= > > "normally open". As for the voltage--just a guess, > the > > schematic will say--25 volts nom. AC or DC ? --see > the > > schematic. > > How are you "cleaning" contacts ? > > Ron Rich > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Hans > > wrote: > > > > From: Hans > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > > problem > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:04 AM > > > > > > Thanks for your answer Ron. I will try to make myself > > clearer. > > The problem is located in the timer relay of the > playrak. > > Of course I don?t know if the timer relay is also the > cause > > of the problem. > > I have learned in the meantime that with jukeboxes > the > > problem is not always caused by the part that is > > malfunctioning. > > The relay is indeed supposed to energize the keyboard > coil. > > But when the timer relay is under tension it will not > > activate unless you help it a little bit by giving it > a tiny > > slap with a screwdriver or something. This will > activate the > > timer relay and consequently the keyboard coil. > > Could you please explain what "NC" stands for in "NC > > contact"? My best guess ?till now is Nickel-Cadmium > which > > is very likely to be incorrect ;-). Do you happen to > know > > the voltage that is supposed to be measured on the > coil of > > the timer relais? > > Thx, > > Hans > > > > --- El mi?, 11/3/09, Ron Rich > > escribi?: > > > > > De: Ron Rich > > > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 > selection > > problem > > > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > > > Fecha: mi?rcoles, 11 marzo, 2009 6:19 > > > Hans, > > > Not quite sure as too what you are describing, so > I'm > > just > > > guessing here--If the keyboard coil is not being > > energized, > > > and you can energize it by "taping the relay, on > the > > head" > > > in the Playrac, I would check the "key contacts" > in > > the > > > Playrac, as that is what controls the keyboard > > coil.Also > > > check the NC contact that the keyboard solenoid > > (coil) > > > operates, as they are famous for not making > contact > > on > > > Wurlys. If the relay in the Playrac won't pull > in, > > measure > > > the voltage on it--possible that the power supply > is > > > weak--or one of the NC contacts is not working > well. > > Ron > > > Rich > > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Hans > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Hans > > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 > selection > > problem > > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:54 AM > > > > > > > > > After having made a selection the coil of the > timing > > relais > > > (part # 69244) in the playrak is supposed to > contract > > the > > > relay again, that is as long as there are > credits > > left. Mine > > > does not do that correctly. The coil is tested OK > and > > it > > > tries to activate the relais but somehow it does > not > > achieve > > > that. If you give the relay a small tap "on the > head" > > it > > > will contract, the relay says "click", but after > > having made > > > the selection it?s the same problem again. The > > playrak was > > > already cleaned thoroughly. Any ideas where to > > look??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists..netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Mon Mar 16 15:13:55 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David) Date: Mon Mar 16 14:17:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer fuse caps References: <20090316.013528.17665.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <002901c9a684$8043f140$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Thanks to all who contributed! Try these I will.. Thanks Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer fuse caps Gentlemen: FYI: I've bought and successfully used the Marlin P Jones fuseholders to to replace cracked/broken Bussman fuseholders on various jukeboxes without having to do any cutting, fitting etc. No problems with quality, either. In this flat economy, just thought that a money-saving tip would be appreciated. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9CyOrSQnG1L1iyc9uHVVAY8K78upkvmCvwJzERe6TcnYoAkhpu/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From midwestamusements at hotmail.com Mon Mar 16 16:31:31 2009 From: midwestamusements at hotmail.com (Mid West) Date: Mon Mar 16 16:39:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Looking for United UPD-100: motors, manuals, schematics, keys, parts & parts machines...etc. Thanks. Message-ID: Looking for United Jukebox UPD-100: motors, manuals, schematics, keys, parts & parts machines...etc. Thanks. Midwestamusements@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Mar 16 17:31:33 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Mar 16 17:33:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100-79M In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Got called out to work on a 100-79M today... Sticky safety plunger. go figure! ;-) Owner mentioned these are 'rare'?? and that he had correspondace with someone who worked at Seeburg for '30 years' and is the author of 'a book'... Just curious is anyone has information about this juke... Perhaps one of our resident 'authors'... My first encounter with this model, and I just have to say it's a very nicely sized and cleanly laid out juke. Impressive. Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Company From seeburgt at pacbell.net Mon Mar 16 18:49:56 2009 From: seeburgt at pacbell.net (Tony Miller) Date: Mon Mar 16 18:51:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100-79M In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090317015131.0C27CAA90B@lists.netlojix.com> At 05:31 PM 3/16/2009, you wrote: Jeff; That would be me, but I did not work for Seeburg for 30 years. Check out my website: http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera/microprocessor_jukeboxes.htm#100-79M for some info. There's also an article linked to that bookmark. Cheers, Tony Miller >Got called out to work on a 100-79M today... >Sticky safety plunger. go figure! ;-) > >Owner mentioned these are 'rare'?? and that he had correspondace with >someone who worked at Seeburg for '30 years' and is the author of 'a >book'... > >Just curious is anyone has information about this juke... >Perhaps one of our resident 'authors'... > >My first encounter with this model, and I just have to say it's a very >nicely sized and >cleanly laid out juke. Impressive. > >Jeff Zurn >Arizona Jukebox Company > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 19:05:36 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Mar 16 19:07:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100-79M In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <589354.39294.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: > Owner mentioned these are 'rare'?? and that he had > correspondace with > someone who worked at Seeburg for '30 years' and is > the author of 'a book'... Well, the website of Tony Miller (former Seeburg employee) says only about 100 built... http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera/microprocessor_jukeboxes.htm From Trollmasters at webtv.net Mon Mar 16 22:58:43 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Mon Mar 16 23:00:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3100 Capacitors Message-ID: <29149-49BF3C13-5875@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Anyone have a good source for the 2 oddball value caps in the 3100 junction box? 124 mfd 50V AC, and 65-93 mfd. 50V AC. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Mar 16 23:06:36 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Mar 16 23:09:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3100 Capacitors Message-ID: <20090317.020636.440.1@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Check with any electronics parts house like Newark, MCM, Parts Express, Vern Tisdale, etc. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click now for the latest quotes on a boat loan! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZVQ9Zv8PXd7TBZaYxpA3p86J0StimR3WO87JrIMGgfi8rucbI9Q8/ From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Tue Mar 17 08:37:06 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Tue Mar 17 08:38:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J bass horn References: <5E0AF25190704B09B04F4EB7FC4B6251@yourv7oy5l24pg> Message-ID: Abi: I need to know if you need just the horn or the horn with speaker I have both. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abi Hudlass-Galley" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J bass horn Hi, Wesley, thanks for youy reply on the ami j bass plastic horn. any chance of some pics if possible, how much would you like for it, and any idea on p&p to main land UK. Thanks Chris _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From abihudlass at talktalk.net Wed Mar 11 12:43:40 2009 From: abihudlass at talktalk.net (Abi Hudlass-Galley) Date: Tue Mar 17 08:42:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami j bass speaker housing Message-ID: Hi, Roy Thanks for contacting me regarding the ami J speaker plastic housing, could you let me know what you would like for it, and how much to send it to main land uk, any chance of some pics of it . Cheers Chris. email me at chrisgalley1@talktalk.net From phagens at planet.nl Mon Mar 16 23:46:19 2009 From: phagens at planet.nl (phagens@planet.nl) Date: Tue Mar 17 08:42:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Looking for United UPD-100: motors, manuals, schematics, keys, parts & parts machines...etc. Thanks. References: Message-ID: Hello, We have the manual in stock : http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/54_21_26_315/products_id/325 Greetings, Piet ________________________________ Van: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com namens Mid West Verzonden: di 17-3-2009 0:31 Aan: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Onderwerp: [Jukebox-list] Looking for United UPD-100: motors, manuals, schematics, keys, parts & parts machines...etc. Thanks. Looking for United Jukebox UPD-100: motors, manuals, schematics, keys, parts & parts machines...etc. Thanks. Midwestamusements@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live(tm): Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From phagens at planet.nl Mon Mar 16 23:49:16 2009 From: phagens at planet.nl (phagens@planet.nl) Date: Tue Mar 17 08:42:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3100 Capacitors References: <29149-49BF3C13-5875@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Hello, We stock a replacement for the 65-93 type: http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/4133/language/en Greetings, Piet ________________________________ Van: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com namens James McClave Verzonden: di 17-3-2009 6:58 Aan: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Onderwerp: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3100 Capacitors Anyone have a good source for the 2 oddball value caps in the 3100 junction box? 124 mfd 50V AC, and 65-93 mfd. 50V AC. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Tue Mar 17 09:32:06 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Mar 17 09:33:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3100 Capacitors In-Reply-To: <29149-49BF3C13-5875@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <29149-49BF3C13-5875@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <49BFD086.20902@telus.net> James McClave wrote: > Anyone have a good source for the 2 oddball value caps in the 3100 > junction box? 124 mfd 50V AC, and 65-93 mfd. 50V AC. Thanks, Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > > I have NOS 124ufd/50VAC caps #74808 for $40US each. Have not found any of the 65-93ufd/50VAC (#70901) though. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Mar 17 11:54:25 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Mar 17 11:57:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3100 Capacitors Message-ID: <20090317.145425.9676.1@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: You can usually find the hard-to-locate non-polarized capacitors, marketed under special application sections of the major parts supply house catalogs. Non-polar AC rated caps can usually be found under crossover-network building or motor-start hardware sections for reasonable prices. Non-electronic industrial supply houses such as WW Grainger Co.will have the motor-start values. In jukebox applications, these "oddball" value capacitors are used in auto-speed control or in "pin-popping" circuits. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Reduce your debt up to 40%. Click here for debt consolidation information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVtMMOQXvLLsmfYPPRTcgzV98xKMwtuT9tSIWmmhNmL3NSuFsZmfO/ From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Tue Mar 17 13:33:14 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Tue Mar 17 13:35:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg trashcan door light motor Message-ID: Hi All, Can anyone tell me what RPM the motor that drives the door animation should be on 148? I believe the Seeburg part number is 403196. Thanks, Adrian. From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Tue Mar 17 13:42:09 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Tue Mar 17 13:43:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth References: <88A24B16B0414323816A2A72BB29A3F2@JUKEBUS> <2E1CB950-D58B-4EDA-9C50-F5AF01D0CC05@comcast.net> Message-ID: <88845251E7B5463BBBBAFFC81BD2BBB9@JUKEBUS> Hi Tom, Sorry I took so long to reply! I have just about got this machine back together now - I will send a photo to your direct e-mail. I'm wondering if I have got the speaker grill cloth wrong, you can see the fluorescent tubes through it .... was that how they were?? Best Regards, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Moran" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" Record playing Hi Adrian, I also have an AMI A that I have been slowly restoring, mine is also missing the "record playing indicator. I have a couple of nice photos of the actual part you are describing that I saved to my computer from an ebay auction. What would be the best way to post these? I would also be interested in some photos of yours during/after restoration. Tom. On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > Can anyone familiar with the AMI A (Mother of Plastic) tell me what > is supposed to be behind the "Record Playing" lens on the right hand > side of the button bank? I'm restoring one now and there nothing > there, not even any evidence of anything having been there! > > Thanks, > > Adrian. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1971 - Release Date: 02/25/09 06:40:00 From radiocontrolhead at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 17 13:47:34 2009 From: radiocontrolhead at sbcglobal.net (Danny Mourad) Date: Tue Mar 17 13:55:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg trashcan door light motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <949436.28266.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are you working on restoring the juke?? I can't help you out with your specific question but was wondering if you could help me out w/ this. Did you refinish the juke? if so how? --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: From: Juke of Shrewsbury Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg trashcan door light motor To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 1:33 PM Hi All, Can anyone tell me what RPM the motor that drives the door animation should be on 148? I believe the Seeburg part number is 403196. Thanks, Adrian. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Tue Mar 17 14:17:55 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Tue Mar 17 14:19:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg trashcan door light motor References: <949436.28266.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50545056D2164AB1BEB7C20E09F66C3E@JUKEBUS> Hi Danny, No, this is not a full restoration - just a service and repair of a few items (including the door animation motor). I have never refinished anything like this, but I do know there are, or used to be, kits available to re- create the woodgrain effect. I'm sure others on the list will have some experience of doing this and will chime in....... Best Regards, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny Mourad" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg trashcan door light motor Are you working on restoring the juke? I can't help you out with your specific question but was wondering if you could help me out w/ this. Did you refinish the juke? if so how? --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: From: Juke of Shrewsbury Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg trashcan door light motor To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 1:33 PM Hi All, Can anyone tell me what RPM the motor that drives the door animation should be on 148? I believe the Seeburg part number is 403196. Thanks, Adrian. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2008 - Release Date: 03/17/09 16:25:00 From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 15:53:48 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David) Date: Tue Mar 17 14:57:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question Message-ID: <002001c9a753$3bde0520$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> I recently looked at a Seeburg M100A at a garage sale and figured I ask the pro's out there a few questions before I commit to this juke. I am going back to give it a good once over, didn't have time to look inside. The general condition was very nice cosmetically, a few dings here and there. The canopy/ dome is in good shape. Selector looked good also. The mech looked surprisingly clean. I will be taking a look at the amp, coin gear, speaker etc for completeness. There doesn't appear to be resto work done on it. Current owner doesn't seem to know too many details about it except it doesn't play. I am not afraid to tackle another will not play juke, but I have and am currently working on several Wurlitzer and a Seeburg from the sixties era and really not sure if this one will be over my head or not. So ladies and gentlemen, anything specific I should be looking for on this particular machine? Is it known to be problematic? I realize the parts availability isn't as plentiful as the sixties machines I have, but this is sixty years old. Is there anything that just isn't out there any more? I'm also not sure if this is one of the more "desirable" machines. I am not into this to resell, I just like-um!! Like-em loud too! David G.. From Carl.Lynne.Sullivan at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 17:52:30 2009 From: Carl.Lynne.Sullivan at gmail.com (Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com) Date: Tue Mar 17 17:54:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck Message-ID: <000325579e8230c0de04655a1935@google.com> I am trying to restore my second jukebox and I am already stumped. I just got the jukebox and it looks very clean and complete. The mechanism looks per the manual. However, the record carrier assembly will not turn. Nor will the main shaft assembly. I was under the impression both of these would turn by hand with the motor off. The guide tip arms are out of the way. So is the levels at the front of the chassis plate. I have a "Service-Parts - Troubleshooting manual" but it doesn't give much details on how the main shaft works. Only the adjustments. The previous owner was having problems blowing the 2amp DC fuse. I replaced it and it didn't blow but, I haven't been able to get it to move either. Sorry for the rudimentary question.... Any thoughts from anyone??? Thanks, From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 18:01:22 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Mar 17 18:02:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question In-Reply-To: <002001c9a753$3bde0520$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Message-ID: <821562.24723.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/17/09, David wrote: > Is there anything that > just isn't out there any more? Trim pieces are the most difficult to obtain. As long as it's in good shape cosmetically, the functional parts are pretty well available. > I'm also not sure if > this is one of the more "desirable" machines. I am > not into this to resell, I just like-um!! It's most desirable if it hsan't been converted to play 45s, as it's almost impossible to convert back since many key parts of the mechanism are changed out. One that's been converted to play 33s is much easier to restore. The original zebrawood applied finish isn't available anymore, and anything else reduces the value. It's best to just let it keep any little nicks and scuffs than to try to reveneer it with somethine else (my personal opinion - I prefer originality). The original pickup is far more desirable than aftermarket replacements, some of which are pretty kludgey. The stylus cantilever tends to come disconnected from the magnet armature, causing distorted sound. There is a company, West-Tech Services, that rebuilds them, however (mine was the gunea pig!) and their prices are quite reasonable. > Like-em loud too! It's loud. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 18:57:29 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Mar 17 18:59:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question Message-ID: <368610.15388.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, The "A" was a one year model--it was designed to play 78 rpm records, which were "on the way out" while this was being produced. Seeburg came out with the 45 rpm "B" model the next year. Several companies produced a "kit" to change the speed, either to 45 or 33 rpm, however, non of the "aftermarket kits" were really good. The last one of these that I restored was at least 25 years ago, and mechanism parts were getting difficult to find then-- Unless it's on78, and very "cheap", I know I would pass on it--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 3/17/09, David wrote: From: David Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 3:53 PM I recently looked at a Seeburg M100A at a garage sale and figured I ask the pro's out there a few questions before I commit to this juke. I am going back to give it a good once over, didn't have time to look inside. The general condition was very nice cosmetically, a few dings here and there. The canopy/ dome is in good shape. Selector looked good also. The mech looked surprisingly clean. I will be taking a look at the amp, coin gear, speaker etc for completeness. There doesn't appear to be resto work done on it. Current owner doesn't seem to know too many details about it except it doesn't play. I am not afraid to tackle another will not play juke, but I have and am currently working on several Wurlitzer and a Seeburg from the sixties era and really not sure if this one will be over my head or not. So ladies and gentlemen, anything specific I should be looking for on this particular machine? Is it known to be problematic? I realize the parts availability isn't as plentiful as the sixties machines I have, but this is sixty years old. Is there anything that just isn't out there any more? I'm also not sure if this is one of the more "desirable" machines. I am not into this to resell, I just like-um!!? Like-em loud too! David G.. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 19:00:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Mar 17 19:02:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck Message-ID: <715381.24562.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Carl, Where is the "record loading lever" positioned ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com wrote: From: Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 5:52 PM I am trying to restore my second jukebox and I am already stumped. I just got the jukebox and it looks very clean and complete. The mechanism looks per the manual. However, the record carrier assembly will not turn. Nor will the main shaft assembly. I was under the impression both of these would turn by hand with the motor off. The guide tip arms are out of the way. So is the levels at the front of the chassis plate. I have a "Service-Parts - Troubleshooting manual" but it doesn't give much details on how the main shaft works. Only the adjustments. The previous owner was having problems blowing the 2amp DC fuse. I replaced it and it didn't blow but, I haven't been able to get it to move either. Sorry for the rudimentary question.... Any thoughts from anyone??? Thanks, _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Mar 17 19:38:56 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Mar 17 19:40:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3100 Capacitors In-Reply-To: "James Alexander" 's message of Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:54:25 GMT Message-ID: <593-49C05EC0-415@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Thanks for the info. I call them "oddball" ones because I replace many bypass and electrolytic caps restoring jukeboxes. But I dont run into many of these motor/start- motor/run caps because I restore mostly the older machines. Ive purchased alot of caps from Parts Express. I dont think they have these AC ones I need for the 3100. I will check around a few other sources. Vern Tisdale doesnt reply. Anyone know if he is ok? Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Mar 17 23:43:21 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Mar 17 23:47:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck Message-ID: <20090318.024321.22107.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> let's try a few simple suggestions first. Look in the lower rear of the mech at the selector pin bank at the bottom of the changer mechanism. Are any of the selector pins released (pushed up) on the pin bank? That could stop you from being able to spin the carousel manually. The pins can be pushed down manually,so the crank arm will clear. At the front of the record changer below the deck is a record loading switch lever. If you have this lever in the "load" position (to the right) this will pull up the crank arm so it will clear any released pins. Push the lever back to the left for normal play. As you stand at the front of the machine the carousel can only be turned in a clockwise direction. The mechanism motor that runs the timing cam, carousel etc is mounted below the deck at the rear center of the machine. It has a small knurled shaft portruding from the rear. You should be able to turn this shaft freely in either direction with your fingers. If it's binding, there is another problem causing it to jam that will need to be serviced. This is most likely causing your carousel problem as well. The 2 amp 28 volt DC fuse that blew supplies this motor. Try the above tests first, and see if it leads you here. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ The Perfect Baby Gift. Click Here http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXZbSm8xsP4A0xVr55yJpyLkl6nEPjMwVMS84W8KBCSQbcc2YW8ta/ From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Wed Mar 18 04:00:30 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Wed Mar 18 04:02:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: <000325579e8230c0de04655a1935@google.com> Message-ID: <490828.18875.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi, if I remember correctly the carousel on your machine runs on roller bearings which sit underneath the carousel. Although these will probably not cause the carousel to stop turning completely, I would certainly look at these during the course of your restoration. If the machine has been sitting for a long period they may need oiled. If they have sat for a long time without use, it may be that they have become seized up. Worth checking. Regards Gary --- On Wed, 18/3/09, Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com wrote: > From: Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 12:52 AM > I am trying to restore my second jukebox and I am already > stumped. I just got the jukebox and it looks very clean and > complete. The mechanism looks per the manual. However, the > record carrier assembly will not turn. Nor will the main > shaft assembly. I was under the impression both of these > would turn by hand with the motor off. > > The guide tip arms are out of the way. So is the levels at > the front of the chassis plate. I have a "Service-Parts > - Troubleshooting manual" but it doesn't give much > details on how the main shaft works. Only the adjustments. > > The previous owner was having problems blowing the 2amp DC > fuse. I replaced it and it didn't blow but, I > haven't been able to get it to move either. > > > Sorry for the rudimentary question.... Any thoughts from > anyone??? > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Wed Mar 18 10:52:22 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Mar 18 10:54:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Testing Wurlitzer steppers outside of the box... Message-ID: <49C134D6.7010506@telus.net> I just thought folks here might be interested in knowing that you can test a stepper - such as the Wurlitzer 2150 - on the bench by simply providing the two voltages required, 24VAC and 24VDC. You can then hook up a wallbox, or simply use a jumper wire to simulate the pulses and see if both letter and number step as they should. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 13:13:10 2009 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Wed Mar 18 13:14:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: <20090318.024321.22107.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090318.024321.22107.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the input from everyone. -Selector pins- they are all retracted and the crank arm is clear. -Record loading Switch at the front of the deck. I did find this and I have it in the retracted position. It too is clear from the notches on the edge of the record tray. I didn't realize that it is connected to the crank arm. I will take a look at that. -I didn't know about the clockwise rotation. - I will look for this knurled shaft. If it doesn't turn does that me that motor is bound?? -Also, looked at the record loading arms. They are positioned just below the bottom edge of the record tray. Curious, I can not manual raise these up either. One last item. Tray moves but, it feels like I am torquing it. Once I release it, it springs back the starting position. Obviously, I haven't done much of that... Once again thanks for everyone's time and advice. Much appreciated. I will let you know what I find. Carl Sullivan On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:43 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > > let's try a few simple suggestions first. > Look in the lower rear of the mech at the selector pin bank at the bottom > of the changer mechanism. Are any of the selector pins released (pushed up) > on the pin bank? That could stop you from being able to spin the carousel > manually. The pins can be pushed down manually,so the crank arm will clear. > At the front of the record changer below the deck is a record loading > switch lever. If you have this lever in the "load" position (to the right) > this will pull up the crank arm so it will clear any released pins. Push > the lever back to the left for normal play. > As you stand at the front of the machine the carousel can only be turned in > a clockwise direction. > The mechanism motor that runs the timing cam, carousel etc is mounted below > the deck at the rear center of the machine. It has a small knurled shaft > portruding from the rear. You should be able to turn this shaft freely in > either direction with your fingers. If it's binding, there is another > problem causing it to jam that will need to be serviced. This is most > likely causing your carousel problem as well. The 2 amp 28 volt DC fuse > that blew supplies this motor. > Try the above tests first, and see if it leads you here. > JIm Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > The Perfect Baby Gift. Click Here > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXZbSm8xsP4A0xVr55yJpyLkl6nEPjMwVMS84W8KBCSQbcc2YW8ta/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Mar 18 13:24:55 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Mar 18 13:28:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question Message-ID: <20090318.162455.2193.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Dave: The 1949 Seeburg M100A was the first "large capacity" (100-play) jukebox using Seeburg's vertical-play Select O Matic mechanism. It was a first for an industry used to having only 20-24 selection choices on a jukebox. The A was the only 78 RPM Select O Matic player that Seeburg built. It can intermix both 10" and 12" record sizes. The record labels (RCA,and Columbia, I think) had recently introduced the "new" 45 and 33 RPM record speeds to the public around this time with good acceptance. 10" 78 RPM hit singles were phased out in the US altogether circa 1960 as sales dwindled. Seeburg introduced their more compact Model B 45 RPM version of the A jukebox in 1950 and stayed committed to 45 RPM going forward. History tells me that Seeburg offered complete Model B mechanism changeovers to A owners who wanted to convert to the new record speed. There were several aftermarket companies (not Seeburg) who tooled up and offered retrofit 45 and 33 RPM conversion kits,using the original A mechanism. Some of these kits didn't work very well. The M100A is worth more as a "collectible" if it is kept as a 78 machine. The parts needed to convert an A back to 78 RPM use can be difficult to find (expensive !) . If this machine you're considering has been converted to 45, you may want to walk away from it and look for a later 50's Seeburg. In the current Southeastern US economy, a nice complete nonworking A can fetch an asking price of $500-750. A non-Seeburg 45 conversion job is worth about half that. Jim Alexander You'd probably like this box for your collection if you are looking for a last-of-the-era big capacity 78 RPM juke. The only others similar are the Wurl 1500 or the RockOla 1436 Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bmX8chaGt0aczgjg8I19pmzrdDR6o2N2NtMukMrqNpzAOqV3m4/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Mar 18 13:45:21 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Mar 18 13:48:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck Message-ID: <20090318.164521.2193.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Hello Carol: The record load switch (lever) operates both an electrical and a mechanical change in the mechanism. In the load position, it should shift the brass crank arm upward slightly so the the changer mech can rotate, clearing "pushed" pins. You will not be able to move either of the record push-up arms by hand. These are controlled by the timing cam/gear in the center of the changer below the deck,which is probably stuck. You should be able to pull each arm, downward slightly, by hand. you will feel a spring tension on them as you do this. Look for the knurled motor shaft we talked about earlier. This device is intended to be turned manually to advance or retard the changer mech slowly by hand while it is being serviced. If the motor is mechanically jammed it,the shaft won't turn,and can cause the 2A 28 V fuse to blow. Possibly, the motor itself and it's associated gear drive can freeze up, causing the carousel jam. Don't force-rotate the record basket. This could cause some damage. You will need to figure out what is causing the spring-like binding of the record basket. (carousel) This can range from simple to more complex problems. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click for free comparison on adjustable rate home loans, 0 down, low rates http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSQk5x18uabofUkKnKUnsVlszBc7NmlROScazozj3b5RwmBTIAVNm/ From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 15:30:41 2009 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Wed Mar 18 15:38:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: <20090318.164521.2193.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090318.164521.2193.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: James, Thanks for the info. I just got home and tried the knurled knob on the back of the motor. It spun and it move the record carriage. Thanks that helped. Also, thanks for the info on the record load lever. That too was very helpful. I have been staring at this thing for two nights trying to understand what was causing the jam. Thanks to all. Carl On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:45 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Carol: > The record load switch (lever) operates both an electrical and a mechanical > change in the mechanism. In the load position, it should shift the brass > crank arm upward slightly so the the changer mech can rotate, clearing > "pushed" pins. > You will not be able to move either of the record push-up arms by hand. > These are controlled by the timing cam/gear in the center of the changer > below the deck,which is probably stuck. You should be able to pull each > arm, downward slightly, by hand. you will feel a spring tension on them as > you do this. > Look for the knurled motor shaft we talked about earlier. This device is > intended to be turned manually to advance or retard the changer mech slowly > by hand while it is being serviced. If the motor is mechanically jammed > it,the shaft won't turn,and can cause the 2A 28 V fuse to blow. Possibly, > the motor itself and it's associated gear drive can freeze up, causing the > carousel jam. > Don't force-rotate the record basket. This could cause some damage. You > will need to figure out what is causing the spring-like binding of the > record basket. (carousel) This can range from simple to more complex > problems. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Click for free comparison on adjustable rate home loans, 0 down, low rates > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSQk5x18uabofUkKnKUnsVlszBc7NmlROScazozj3b5RwmBTIAVNm/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 16:32:28 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 18 16:34:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question Message-ID: <342057.41681.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Did you see an offer for the model "B" conversion mech, for the model "A"--or did you see the ad of a "promise" of one ("coming--if necessary") ? I have seen that ad, but never an offer of the "real thing", nor have I ever seen it done? .Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/18/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 1:24 PM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Dave: The 1949 Seeburg M100A was the first "large capacity" (100-play) jukebox using Seeburg's vertical-play Select O Matic mechanism.? It was a first for an industry used to having only 20-24 selection choices on a jukebox.? The A was the only 78 RPM Select O Matic player that Seeburg built.? It can intermix both 10" and 12" record sizes.? The record labels (RCA,and Columbia,? I think) had recently introduced the "new" 45 and 33 RPM record speeds to the public around this time with good acceptance.? 10"? 78 RPM hit singles were phased out in the US altogether circa 1960 as sales dwindled. Seeburg introduced their more compact Model B 45 RPM version of the A jukebox in 1950 and stayed committed to 45 RPM going forward.? History tells me that Seeburg offered complete Model B mechanism changeovers to A owners who wanted to convert to the new record speed.? ? ? There were several aftermarket companies (not Seeburg) who tooled up and offered retrofit 45 and 33 RPM conversion kits,using the original A mechanism. Some of these kits didn't work very well. The M100A is worth more as a? "collectible" if it is kept as a 78 machine..? The parts needed to convert an A back to 78 RPM use can be difficult to find (expensive !) .? If this machine you're considering has been converted to 45, you may want to walk away from it and look for a later 50's Seeburg.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? In the current Southeastern US economy, a nice complete nonworking A can fetch an asking price of $500-750.???A non-Seeburg? 45 conversion job is worth about half that. Jim Alexander You'd probably like this box for your collection if you are looking for a last-of-the-era big capacity 78 RPM juke.? The only others similar are the Wurl 1500 or? the RockOla 1436 Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bmX8chaGt0aczgjg8I19pmzrdDR6o2N2NtMukMrqNpzAOqV3m4/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 19:01:51 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Mar 18 19:03:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question Message-ID: <137598.14503.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/18/09, James Alexander wrote: > The record labels (RCA,and Columbia, I think) had > recently introduced the "new" 45 and 33 RPM record speeds to > the public around this time with good acceptance. > Seeburg introduced their more compact Model B 45 RPM > version of the A jukebox in 1950 and stayed committed to 45 > RPM going forward. I don't have the exact date of the introduction of the 45 close at hand, but the M100-B came out at about the same time as the 45. Seeburg was the major booster for the format, and worked with RCA Victor to make sure that records would be available to distributors who purchased the M100-B. In fact, Seeburg could have been the main reason for the success of the 45. Columbia and RCA were working at the same time for, in Columbia's case, a replacement for the album and, in RCA's case, a replacement for the single. Columbia's record hit the market first, even though RCA had been working on theirs much longer. If it hadn't been for Seeburg's support, the 45 might have failed and the record buying public might have been left with several more years of 78s or, much worse, a 33 single [Gack!]. The M100-B as a great a landmark machine as the M100-A for this reason. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 19:40:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 18 19:42:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question Message-ID: <253556.25024.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Why the "Gack" at a 33 single? They sounded OK to me??? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/18/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 7:01 PM --- On Wed, 3/18/09, James Alexander wrote: > The record labels (RCA,and Columbia,? I think) had > recently introduced the "new" 45 and 33 RPM record speeds to > the public around this time with good acceptance. > Seeburg introduced their more compact Model B 45 RPM > version of the A jukebox in 1950 and stayed committed to 45 > RPM going forward. I don't have the exact date of the introduction of the 45 close at hand, but the M100-B came out at about the same time as the 45.? Seeburg was the major booster for the format, and worked with RCA Victor to make sure that records would be available to distributors who purchased the M100-B.? In fact, Seeburg could have been the main reason for the success of the 45. Columbia and RCA were working at the same time for, in Columbia's case, a replacement for the album and, in RCA's case, a replacement for the single.? Columbia's record hit the market first, even though RCA had been working on theirs much longer. If it hadn't been for Seeburg's support, the 45 might have failed and the record buying public might have been left with several more years of 78s or, much worse, a 33 single [Gack!].? The M100-B as a great a landmark machine as the M100-A for this reason. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Mar 18 19:49:34 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Mar 18 19:51:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question In-Reply-To: <253556.25024.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <253556.25024.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49C1B2BE.7010409@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > David, > Why the "Gack" at a 33 single? They sounded OK to me??? Ron Rich Well, they weren't made in the format that would be useful for an M100A. The 33 "album" was named after a collection of 78 singles sold in a bound book like a photo album. Columbia's claim to fame for the 33 was "Long-Playing" Microgroove 12-inch records. An album side for a nickel wouldn't make sense on location. 10-inch 33 records were never produced in significant quantities. A 33 single on 12 inch vinyl doesn't make economic sense. Way too much wasted real estate. And a 7-inch 33 single wouldn't load on an M100A without modification. And, if you're going to modify an M100A to load 7-inch records and change the speed from 78, then it makes much more sense to go to 45 RPM as 45 singles were far more prevalent than 33 singles at 7-inches, if such existed at all. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Wed Mar 18 19:53:49 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Mar 18 19:55:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question In-Reply-To: <253556.25024.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <253556.25024.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49C1B3BD.3020000@west.net> > I don't have the exact date of the introduction of the > 45 close at hand, but the M100-B came out at about the > same time as the 45. March 31, 1949. http://www.history-of-rock.com/fortyfive_birth.htm -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 20:10:25 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Mar 18 20:12:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question Message-ID: <741817.49086.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Why the "Gack" at a 33 single? They sounded OK to me??? Ron The linear surface velocity of a 7" 33 single was the lowest of any phonograph record (except for 16-2/3 RPM talking books), which limited the frequency response. For casual listening (which is how most singles eventually ended up being used) the limitation might not be objectionable, but for critical listening (as the 45 was designed for) it was just too slow. Remember, early 45s were cut at a much lower volume in order to push the groove as far out on the diameter of the record as possible, and only later were they cut louder when it was determined that most people couldn't tell the difference (mp3s, anyone?). From sonnygirl at cafes.net Wed Mar 18 21:12:50 2009 From: sonnygirl at cafes.net (sonnygirl@cafes.net) Date: Wed Mar 18 21:36:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question Message-ID: <50596.1237435970@cafes.net> Dave, Your Wurlitzer fuse caps are in the mail...hope this is helpful. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. dave in Tennessee From Trollmasters at webtv.net Thu Mar 19 00:56:50 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Thu Mar 19 00:58:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3100 Capacitors In-Reply-To: "James Alexander" 's message of Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:54:25 GMT Message-ID: <28800-49C1FAC2-35@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> These capacitors in the W3100 junction box are listed as 65-93 mfd 50VAC , and 124-149mfd 50VAC . As I search for these caps, I see listings as "Motor start" and "Motor run" in various parts listings. Am I correct in assuming that they are basically the same thing? If they are non-polarized AC caps , what distinguishes them as motor -start or motor run? The way they are used in the curcuit? If there is in fact a difference in the caps themselves. What are they in the 3100? Motor start or motor run? Or does it make any difference? Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From jtjalsma at home.nl Thu Mar 19 01:50:12 2009 From: jtjalsma at home.nl (Jurjen Tjalsma) Date: Thu Mar 19 02:09:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Album scan control scan Message-ID: <49C20744.8020900@home.nl> Hello Keith, I made a scan for you from my manual: Scan Hopes this helps, Jurjen From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Thu Mar 19 07:04:17 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Thu Mar 19 07:06:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Looking for United UPD-100: motors, manuals, schematics, keys, parts & parts machines...etc. Thanks. References: Message-ID: <56F4D2B694C74CA6BA12FFF45616DF6E@PAW> Looking for United Jukebox UPD-100: motors, manuals, schematics, keys, parts & parts machines...etc. Thanks. I do have a couple of these machines and some loose parts. Also Manuals. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 08:17:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Mar 19 08:20:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question Message-ID: <680721.91125.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, 7" - 33-1/3 rpm singles were made, and was what I was thinking about--It was my understanding that RCA wanted the 45 PM speed, while some of the other record companies were interested in the 7" 33---RCA won the "war"---Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 7:49 PM Ron Rich wrote: > David, > Why the "Gack" at a 33 single? They sounded OK to me??? Ron Rich Well, they weren't made in the format that would be useful for an M100A. The 33 "album" was named after a collection of 78 singles sold in a bound book like a photo album.? Columbia's claim to fame for the 33 was "Long-Playing" Microgroove 12-inch records.? An album side for a nickel wouldn't make sense on location.? 10-inch 33 records were never produced in significant quantities. A 33 single on 12 inch vinyl doesn't make economic sense.? Way too much wasted real estate.? And a 7-inch 33 single wouldn't load on an M100A without modification. And, if you're going to modify an M100A to load 7-inch records and change the speed from 78, then it makes much more sense to go to 45 RPM as 45 singles were far more prevalent than 33 singles at 7-inches, if such existed at all. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 08:20:17 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Mar 19 08:22:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question Message-ID: <348624.47214.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Dave, I didn't know that--and to be honest, I can not hear any difference --Ron Rich --- On Wed, 3/18/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 8:10 PM --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Why the "Gack" at a 33 single? They sounded OK to me??? Ron The linear surface velocity of a 7" 33 single was the lowest of any phonograph record (except for 16-2/3 RPM talking books), which limited the frequency response.? For casual listening (which is how most singles eventually ended up being used) the limitation might not be objectionable, but for critical listening (as the 45 was designed for) it was just too slow.? Remember, early 45s were cut at a much lower volume in order to push the groove as far out on the diameter of the record as possible, and only later were they cut louder when it was determined that most people couldn't tell the difference (mp3s, anyone?). ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From magic-4u at pacbell.net Thu Mar 19 08:48:08 2009 From: magic-4u at pacbell.net (Bradley Grant) Date: Thu Mar 19 08:51:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 needles opinion Message-ID: <4C76B7CA-5C23-4F3A-80A7-A19B6DAAFF0E@pacbell.net> I was changing out the needle on my Monarch http://www.jukeboxnut.com/monarch2.html and I noticed I had bought diamond and saphire 3 mil needles awhile back. Think I talked to someone who warned me not to use the diamonds with a heavy tonearm, worse for the records. My tonearm is original, with a rebuilt original cart, but with some weight hanging off the back to put less pressure on the records. Opinions appreciated. Thanks, Brad From pinball at telus.net Thu Mar 19 10:06:56 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Mar 19 10:08:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3100 Capacitors In-Reply-To: <28800-49C1FAC2-35@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <28800-49C1FAC2-35@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <49C27BB0.3010909@telus.net> James McClave wrote: > These capacitors in the W3100 junction box are listed as 65-93 mfd > 50VAC , and 124-149mfd 50VAC . As I search for these caps, I see > listings as "Motor start" and "Motor run" in various parts listings. > Am I correct in assuming that they are basically the same thing? If they > are non-polarized AC caps , what distinguishes them as motor -start or > motor run? The way they are used in the curcuit? If there is in fact a > difference in the caps themselves. What are they in the 3100? Motor > start or motor run? Or does it make any difference? Thanks, Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _ It would make little or no difference what capacitor you use here. However, chances are the original capacitors are still fine. Why do you want to replace these? Have you tested them with a proper capacitor tester or are you just shot-gunning the works? Electrolytic and dry capacitors fail - usually after a couple of decades, however my experience with the oil-filled caps - in minor roles like these - is they are quite reliable. If they are used for starting fractional horsepower motors then you might want to look at them periodically, but these are used for timing only and as such should last... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Mar 19 11:12:46 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Mar 19 11:21:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 needles opinion In-Reply-To: <4C76B7CA-5C23-4F3A-80A7-A19B6DAAFF0E@pacbell.net> References: <4C76B7CA-5C23-4F3A-80A7-A19B6DAAFF0E@pacbell.net> Message-ID: Nice restoration Brad, that is a beautiful machine! Re the needles. My W1015 came with a saphire stylus in it's tonearm. All the records were worn grey from the damage it would do. I tried a new needle and record, and you could see the shavings coming off the records due to the weight. I have since upgraded to a light weight cartridge with great results. Diamond and saphire needles were not originally used with these arms when they were new. Osmium "permo-point" needles were, and I they did a lot less damage. Victory Glass still sells them I believe. The osmium tipped needles I've used in gramophones state they are to last 4000 plays, but I don't think you could get anywhere near that number. Of course the best thing for your irreplaceable 78's is a light weight cartridge conversion. Hope this helps. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bradley Grant Sent: 2009, March, 19 11:48 AM To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 needles opinion I was changing out the needle on my Monarch http://www.jukeboxnut.com/monarch2.html and I noticed I had bought diamond and saphire 3 mil needles awhile back. Think I talked to someone who warned me not to use the diamonds with a heavy tonearm, worse for the records. My tonearm is original, with a rebuilt original cart, but with some weight hanging off the back to put less pressure on the records. Opinions appreciated. Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. 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Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9EAuGXnUsgP42NUYt1FhTZpdksbo1jZBfREue5y1l0dzjFfn6g/ From steve at pro-ns.net Thu Mar 19 12:23:16 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Thu Mar 19 12:24:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: <20090319.144209.16350.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090319.144209.16350.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20090319192316.GS27083@pro-ns.net> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: > > Carl: > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings. This > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time > through the 50's-60's. I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 manual? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)? I thought I looked for something like that and found it sadly missing. If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the web as a pdf? --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep me away from it! -- eldavojohn on Slashdot From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Mar 19 12:58:32 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Mar 19 13:01:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question Message-ID: <20090319.155832.11179.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Wasn't the introduction of vinyl as a record-making material a big breakthrough at this time? Weren't all the "new" 45 and 33 RPM records in the early 50's the first time vinyls? The vinyl records were non-breakable and had much lower surface noise than the shellac-based 78's. I have a few 50's-issue 78's that are vinyl records, where the surface/background noise is much less than their older shellac counterparts. I'm aware that both Seeburg's 100A (first 100-play 78 ) and 100B (first 100-play 45) jukeboxes were groundbreakers in the jukebox business and probably contributed a lot to the 45 RPM records' success with the public as the new "single" format. Before this, the single format was the 10" 78 RPM disc. Wasn't the public perception of the 33 RPM record to be the long-playing format for albums? In the early 50's, weren't most albums the vehicle for classical music works, Broadway show soundtracks, etc.?as opposed to pop music. The 78 RPM record format was limited by the 3-4 minute max. recording time. Prior to the invention of the 10" or 12" LP, the only other commercially-available "album" format were books of 5 or 6 78 RPM discs, each with 1 or 2 3 minute songs per side. Correct me if I'm wrong. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to consolidate your debt in minutes, stop late or over-limit fees, pay less. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVtfKfJy9z6Fdgc1F3HI77EoQUBRbKsT0tc8BbP5jXSYcXzZAhMwY/ From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 14:12:19 2009 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Thu Mar 19 14:13:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: <20090319192316.GS27083@pro-ns.net> References: <20090319.144209.16350.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> <20090319192316.GS27083@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: I do have a service manual for a 2304 but, it is extremely lacking in any kind of discussion on the various steps of the mechanism. It is mostly filled with information on the various adjustments. I have read and reread the various sections and it didn't even mention that the motor could be turned by hand with the knob at the motors rear. The good news.. I did get the carousel unlocked. I even got the motor that spins the record to run. However, as soon as I activate the motor for the mechanism below it blows the 2 amp DC fuse. Is this a sign the motor may need to rewound?? Does anyone know which manual has a good description on how the mechanism is supposed to work. Thanks to all for your time and helpful advice. Carl On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: > > > > Carl: > > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you > > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation > > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings. This > > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time > > through the 50's-60's. > > I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 > manual? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)? I thought I looked for > something like that and found it sadly missing. > > If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get > anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the > web as a pdf? > > --> Steve > > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's > stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep > me away from it! > -- eldavojohn on Slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 14:15:13 2009 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Thu Mar 19 14:16:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: <20090319192316.GS27083@pro-ns.net> References: <20090319.144209.16350.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> <20090319192316.GS27083@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: Steve, I don't believe it is a violation of copy right rules if you share it with one person at a time or in a none systematic way. So yes, I would love to see what you have on the mechanism. Also, anything that talks about the mechanism motor. I believe I may have an electrical problem. It blows a fuse any time the mechanism motor is engaged. Thanks, Carl Sullivan Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: > > > > Carl: > > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you > > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation > > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings. This > > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time > > through the 50's-60's. > > I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 > manual? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)? I thought I looked for > something like that and found it sadly missing. > > If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get > anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the > web as a pdf? > > --> Steve > > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's > stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep > me away from it! > -- eldavojohn on Slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 14:39:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Mar 19 14:47:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question Message-ID: <524625.18890.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, I think that you are right--except for the fact that one company ("Columbia" or "CBS", I think) wanted to do the 7" 33-1/3 rpm--their argument was that they could make the "singles" longer. Seeburg objected "loudly" to that fact---Ron Rich --- On Thu, 3/19/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:58 PM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Gentlemen: Wasn't the introduction of vinyl as a record-making material a big breakthrough at this time????Weren't all the "new" 45 and 33 RPM records in the early 50's the first time vinyls?? ? The vinyl records were non-breakable and had much lower surface noise than the shellac-based 78's. I have a few 50's-issue 78's that are vinyl records, where the surface/background noise is much less than their older shellac counterparts. I'm aware that both Seeburg's 100A (first 100-play 78 ) and 100B (first 100-play 45) jukeboxes were groundbreakers in the jukebox business and probably contributed a lot to the 45 RPM records' success with the public as the new "single" format.???Before this,? the single format was the 10" 78 RPM disc. Wasn't the public perception of the 33 RPM record to be the long-playing format for albums?? In the early 50's, weren't most albums the vehicle for classical music works, Broadway show soundtracks, etc.?as opposed to pop music.???The 78 RPM record format was limited by the 3-4 minute max. recording time.? ? ? ? ? Prior to the invention of the 10" or 12" LP, the only other commercially-available "album" format were books of 5 or 6 78 RPM discs, each with 1 or 2? 3 minute songs per side.? Correct me if I'm wrong. Jim Alexander? ??? ____________________________________________________________ Click to consolidate your debt in minutes, stop late or over-limit fees, pay less. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVtfKfJy9z6Fdgc1F3HI77EoQUBRbKsT0tc8BbP5jXSYcXzZAhMwY/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From steve at pro-ns.net Thu Mar 19 14:59:53 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Thu Mar 19 15:01:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: References: <20090319.144209.16350.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> <20090319192316.GS27083@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <20090319215953.GT27083@pro-ns.net> Carl, That's the problem; I don't have it either; I've heard about it from others on this list. I'm assuming it's there if you buy a 1700 or 1800 manual, probably a 2000 manual, but where they stopped including it, I don't know. --> Steve On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 05:15:13PM -0400, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote: > Steve, > > I don't believe it is a violation of copy right rules if you share it with > one person at a time or in a none systematic way. > > So yes, I would love to see what you have on the mechanism. Also, anything > that talks about the mechanism motor. I believe I may have an electrical > problem. It blows a fuse any time the mechanism motor is engaged. > > Thanks, > > Carl Sullivan > Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: > > > > > > Carl: > > > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you > > > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation > > > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings. This > > > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time > > > through the 50's-60's. > > > > I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 > > manual? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)? I thought I looked for > > something like that and found it sadly missing. > > > > If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get > > anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the > > web as a pdf? > > > > --> Steve > > > > -- > > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > > > If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's > > stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep > > me away from it! > > -- eldavojohn on Slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net "'No Child Left Behind' -- Think about those words for a second. How else do you not leave a child behind unless you hold everyone else back with him?" -- Someone named "Geoffrey" on Slashdot From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Thu Mar 19 15:06:59 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Thu Mar 19 15:08:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck References: <20090319.144209.16350.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com><20090319192316.GS27083@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: Hi Carl, First thing to check is that the motor runs when the gear is disengaged. Remove 2 of the mounting Allen screws and swivel the motor away from the main mech gear so that it can run with no load. Now see if it blows the fuse. Even if the fuse still blows it may not be the motor at fault. The motors on these mechs do not have a permanent magnet in them, they therefore use an electromagnet - also known as a "field coil". This means there are 4 wires going to the motor, 2 of them are for the field coil and 2 are for the armature. The reversing switch changes the polarity on one of these pairs of wires (can't remember which off hand) and if not correctly adjusted can short and cause the fuse to blow. Check the switch adjustments as shown in the manual. If the switch is properly adjusted then you are probably looking at a bad motor - disconnect either the field coil or armature and try again to see which one is bad, it's unlikely that both are shorted. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck Steve, I don't believe it is a violation of copy right rules if you share it with one person at a time or in a none systematic way. So yes, I would love to see what you have on the mechanism. Also, anything that talks about the mechanism motor. I believe I may have an electrical problem. It blows a fuse any time the mechanism motor is engaged. Thanks, Carl Sullivan Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: > > > > Carl: > > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you > > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation > > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings. This > > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time > > through the 50's-60's. > > I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 > manual? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)? I thought I looked for > something like that and found it sadly missing. > > If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get > anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the > web as a pdf? > > --> Steve > > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's > stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep > me away from it! > -- eldavojohn on Slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.20/2013 - Release Date: 03/18/09 07:17:00 From rudymart at charter.net Thu Mar 19 14:29:58 2009 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Thu Mar 19 16:08:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s selections Message-ID: <290E0005E0DA44D09C549347EFC428B2@luluPC> cannot select the #s 4 and 9 for all letters A-K. tried the info for 2410 model paragraph 2 (cannot select 2,7,4,or9) page 11. hope someone can lead me in right direction. thanks rudy From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 16:29:25 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Mar 19 16:31:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck Message-ID: <924055.32240.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy's (and Gal), It IS a copyright violation to "reproduce" in ANY way something that is copy written ! This goes for books, photo's and music -- plus any thing else that's so noted. See Tony Miller"s website for info ---as he has the link posted. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote: From: Carl & Lynne Sullivan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 2:15 PM Steve, I don't believe it is a violation of copy right rules if you share it with one person at a time or in a none systematic way. So yes, I would love to see what you have on the mechanism.???Also, anything that talks about the mechanism motor.???I believe I may have an electrical problem.? It blows a fuse any time the mechanism motor is engaged. Thanks, Carl Sullivan Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: > > > > Carl: > > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you > > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation > > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings.? This > > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time > > through the 50's-60's. > > I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 > manual?? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)?? I thought I looked for > something like that and found it sadly missing. > > If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get > anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the > web as a pdf? > > --> Steve > > -- > Steve Wahl? ? steve@pro-ns.net > >? If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's > stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep > me away from it! >???-- eldavojohn on Slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Thu Mar 19 16:24:32 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Thu Mar 19 16:32:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the day In-Reply-To: <20090318.162455.2193.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090318.162455.2193.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CB7700FE73AC9B-830-4A6A@webmail-dh32.sysops.aol.com> Cleaning out my shop in Kent, WA, selling 2 very original Seeburg B's, original cabinet,original?paint on mech cover,?both need restoration, were cycling and pulling some records when I got them, complete except for tray gear, available at Victory Glass. $500 each.? Email me if interested, and I can call you.? I can also send you some pics.This is how I like to find them. I have too many projects, they have to go.? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 17:40:14 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Mar 19 17:41:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 needles opinion Message-ID: <143914.24570.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Diamond and saphire needles were not originally used with > these arms > when they were new. Osmium "permo-point" needles were, and > I they did a > lot less damage. Victory Glass still sells them I believe. > The osmium tipped needles I've used in gramophones state > they are to > last 4000 plays, but I don't think you could get anywhere > near that number. When you play a record with such a heavy pickup, something has to give, and the gramophone makers decided at the turn of the last century that it would be the needle. So, steel needles were used, and abrasives were mixed into the shellac to encourage the record to wear down the needle, not the other way around. (Record == expensive. Needle == cheap.) But, when record changers showed up, this design philosophy was challenged. Electric pickups were still heavy. The solution was, as Micheal says, a durable-but-still-sacrificial point, either osmium or tungsten. Victor made a "Tungs-Tone" tungsten stylus that was said to be good for hundreds of plays. It had a find tungsten filament, about the diameter of a mechanical pencil lead, encased in a steel sleeve the diameter of a regular needle. The tungsten filament extended about 1/16" beyond the steel sleeve. Although it wore down, its small diameter kept it at a point. The gentlest way to play a record with a heavy acoustic or electric pickup is still with a steel needle, but it has to be replaced after every play. You can cheat and rotate it 180 degrees to get a second play out of it, but do that only with a 10" record. From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 19 18:10:27 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Thu Mar 19 18:12:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck References: <20090319.144209.16350.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com><20090319192316.GS27083@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <001b01c9a8f8$a838a490$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I just checked my original 2304 manual and you are right - it does not give the sequence of operations like some of the earlier manuals do. I don't have any individual 50's manuals prior to the 2304, but do have the "Vol II" bound manual. This covers models from the 1900 to the 2200 series. The 1900 manual has a great operation section where it gives mechanical and electrical conditions at each phase of operation. This should help you out (although the credit section will probably be a bit different). There may be other manuals such as the 2104 or 2204 that would have this info as well, but I really can't say for sure - my bound manual just refers the reader to the 1900 operation section. Good luck Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck >I do have a service manual for a 2304 but, it is extremely lacking in any > kind of discussion on the various steps of the mechanism. It is mostly > filled with information on the various adjustments. > > I have read and reread the various sections and it didn't even mention > that > the motor could be turned by hand with the knob at the motors rear. > > The good news.. I did get the carousel unlocked. I even got the motor > that spins the record to run. However, as soon as I activate the motor > for > the mechanism below it blows the 2 amp DC fuse. Is this a sign the > motor > may need to rewound?? > > Does anyone know which manual has a good description on how the mechanism > is > supposed to work. > > Thanks to all for your time and helpful advice. > > Carl > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: >> > >> > Carl: >> > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you >> > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation >> > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings. This >> > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time >> > through the 50's-60's. >> >> I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 >> manual? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)? I thought I looked for >> something like that and found it sadly missing. >> >> If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get >> anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the >> web as a pdf? >> >> --> Steve >> >> -- >> Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net >> >> If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's >> stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep >> me away from it! >> -- eldavojohn on Slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 18:55:22 2009 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Thu Mar 19 18:56:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: <001b01c9a8f8$a838a490$6101a8c0@Dirksen> References: <20090319.144209.16350.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> <20090319192316.GS27083@pro-ns.net> <001b01c9a8f8$a838a490$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: Jim, How do I get a Vol II manual from 1900 to 2200 series?? I didn't see one of those listed at victory glass or manuals.com. Carl On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:10 PM, wrote: > I just checked my original 2304 manual and you are right - it does not give > the sequence of operations like some of the earlier manuals do. I don't have > any individual 50's manuals prior to the 2304, but do have the "Vol II" > bound manual. This covers models from the 1900 to the 2200 series. The 1900 > manual has a great operation section where it gives mechanical and > electrical conditions at each phase of operation. This should help you out > (although the credit section will probably be a bit different). There may be > other manuals such as the 2104 or 2204 that would have this info as well, > but I really can't say for sure - my bound manual just refers the reader to > the 1900 operation section. Good luck > > Jim Dirksen > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" < > carl.lynne.sullivan@gmail.com> > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > > > I do have a service manual for a 2304 but, it is extremely lacking in any >> kind of discussion on the various steps of the mechanism. It is mostly >> filled with information on the various adjustments. >> >> I have read and reread the various sections and it didn't even mention >> that >> the motor could be turned by hand with the knob at the motors rear. >> >> The good news.. I did get the carousel unlocked. I even got the motor >> that spins the record to run. However, as soon as I activate the motor >> for >> the mechanism below it blows the 2 amp DC fuse. Is this a sign the >> motor >> may need to rewound?? >> >> Does anyone know which manual has a good description on how the mechanism >> is >> supposed to work. >> >> Thanks to all for your time and helpful advice. >> >> Carl >> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: >> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: >>> > >>> > Carl: >>> > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you >>> > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation >>> > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings. This >>> > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time >>> > through the 50's-60's. >>> >>> I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 >>> manual? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)? I thought I looked for >>> something like that and found it sadly missing. >>> >>> If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get >>> anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the >>> web as a pdf? >>> >>> --> Steve >>> >>> -- >>> Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net >>> >>> If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's >>> stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep >>> me away from it! >>> -- eldavojohn on Slashdot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Mar 19 18:56:05 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Mar 19 18:57:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the day Message-ID: <910032.44425.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey Ed give me some pics.. ? Thanks Tony --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the day To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 7:24 PM Cleaning out my shop in Kent, WA, selling 2 very original Seeburg B's, original cabinet,original?paint on mech cover,?both need restoration, were cycling and pulling some records when I got them, complete except for tray gear, available at Victory Glass. $500 each.? Email me if interested, and I can call you.? I can also send you some pics.This is how I like to find them. I have too many projects, they have to go.? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From edbap at aol.com Thu Mar 19 19:09:27 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Thu Mar 19 19:17:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the day In-Reply-To: <910032.44425.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <910032.44425.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB7718083D48BA-1330-1CDC@WEBMAIL-MZ14.sysops.aol.com> Sorry guys, the jukes are already gone, went on Clist today and sold! Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Lala Blah Blah To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 6:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the day Hey Ed give me some pics.. ? Thanks Tony --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Ed Baptista wrote: From: Ed Baptista Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the day To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 7:24 PM Cleaning out my shop in Kent, WA, selling 2 very original Seeburg B's, original cabinet,original?paint on mech cover,?both need restoration, were cycling and pulling some records when I got them, complete except for tray gear, available at Victory Glass. $500 each.? Email me if interested, and I can call you.? I can also send you some pics.This is how I like to find them. I have too many projects, they have to go.? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 19 19:28:29 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Thu Mar 19 19:30:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck References: <20090319.144209.16350.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com><20090319192316.GS27083@pro-ns.net><001b01c9a8f8$a838a490$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <001101c9a903$905ab6f0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> This is an original manual I got from an old operator. They do show up on ebay from time to time. Apparently, somewhere between the 1900 and 2300 series, Wurlitzer stopped including the operation information. What I meant to say was that since my bound manual is slightly different than individual manuals, I really don't know when that info was deleted. But you should be OK with the 1900 manual. I would call VG and ask about the 2204 manual they sell (since it is closer to the 2304). Be very specific and ask if the operation section (showing mechanical and electrical conditions at each phase) is still there. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > Jim, > > How do I get a Vol II manual from 1900 to 2200 series?? I didn't see one > of > those listed at victory glass or manuals.com. > > Carl > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:10 PM, wrote: > >> I just checked my original 2304 manual and you are right - it does not >> give >> the sequence of operations like some of the earlier manuals do. I don't >> have >> any individual 50's manuals prior to the 2304, but do have the "Vol II" >> bound manual. This covers models from the 1900 to the 2200 series. The >> 1900 >> manual has a great operation section where it gives mechanical and >> electrical conditions at each phase of operation. This should help you >> out >> (although the credit section will probably be a bit different). There may >> be >> other manuals such as the 2104 or 2204 that would have this info as well, >> but I really can't say for sure - my bound manual just refers the reader >> to >> the 1900 operation section. Good luck >> >> Jim Dirksen >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" < >> carl.lynne.sullivan@gmail.com> >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck >> >> >> I do have a service manual for a 2304 but, it is extremely lacking in >> any >>> kind of discussion on the various steps of the mechanism. It is mostly >>> filled with information on the various adjustments. >>> >>> I have read and reread the various sections and it didn't even mention >>> that >>> the motor could be turned by hand with the knob at the motors rear. >>> >>> The good news.. I did get the carousel unlocked. I even got the motor >>> that spins the record to run. However, as soon as I activate the motor >>> for >>> the mechanism below it blows the 2 amp DC fuse. Is this a sign the >>> motor >>> may need to rewound?? >>> >>> Does anyone know which manual has a good description on how the >>> mechanism >>> is >>> supposed to work. >>> >>> Thanks to all for your time and helpful advice. >>> >>> Carl >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Carl: >>>> > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you >>>> > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation >>>> > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings. This >>>> > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time >>>> > through the 50's-60's. >>>> >>>> I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 >>>> manual? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)? I thought I looked for >>>> something like that and found it sadly missing. >>>> >>>> If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get >>>> anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the >>>> web as a pdf? >>>> >>>> --> Steve >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net >>>> >>>> If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's >>>> stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep >>>> me away from it! >>>> -- eldavojohn on Slashdot >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From steve at pro-ns.net Fri Mar 20 08:16:27 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Fri Mar 20 08:18:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s selections In-Reply-To: <290E0005E0DA44D09C549347EFC428B2@luluPC> References: <290E0005E0DA44D09C549347EFC428B2@luluPC> Message-ID: <20090320151627.GU27083@pro-ns.net> Rudy, "Cannot select." So it doesn't pop a pin at all, instead of just selecting the wrong one? I have a 2410S myself, was just looking intently at the schematic the other night. The mechanics: I've described this before, I always have trouble with the terminology. There are 20 "main" solenoids around the circle of pins, one for each set of five selections, either 1-5 or 6-0; and there are three solenoids inside that rotate a plate; one solenoid rotates the plate clockwise, another counter-clockwise, and the third stops the plate early in either direction. Springs hold the plate in the center of rotation when at rest So there are five positions for the plate: Fully clockwise, stopped early clockwise, at rest in the middle, stopped early CCW, fully CCW. There are 20 "fingers" sticking up out of this plate, one for each main solenoid. They rotate with the plate; they sort of look like little men with arms spread wide, and a little head sticking out above. When the main solenoid fires, it presses against the finger somewhere along the "spread arms" portion of the finger, exactly where depends upon how the plate is rotated; and the "head" presses against the right pin within a set of 5. At rest is the center of the range (3's and 8's). I may be backwards on which are CW and which are CCW, but I believe fully CW selects 1's and 6's, stopped early CW selects 2's and 7's, stopped early CCW selects 4's and 9's, and fully CW is 5's and 0's. You can see that 4's and 9's have the plate position in common... Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything electrical that the 4 and 9's have in common that isn't shared with either 2's and 7's (stop solenoid) or 5's and 0's (CW rotating solenoid). But I can't remember the keyboard wiring exactly -- I'm not near the manual at the moment. On the other hand, most elecrical problems I can imagine would result in the wrong selection, not no selection. Anyway, first you want to rule out an electrical problem: If you select a 4 or 9 on a letter where the main solenoid is around the front (they're labeled quite well), you can reach in and feel whether the main solenoid fires when you make the selection. (perhaps do the same thing while selecting another number to make sure it feels the same). If it does seem to fire, then my guess would be that the plate is rotating but not to the propper position for 4's and 9's (as you see above, it's the same position for both). Perhaps it is stopping too early, and the "head" of the finger is getting pressed between pins? Too late would give the same possibility, too, I guess. --> Steve On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 04:29:58PM -0500, rudymart wrote: > cannot select the #s 4 and 9 for all letters A-K. tried the info for 2410 model paragraph 2 (cannot select 2,7,4,or9) page 11. hope someone can lead me in right direction. thanks rudy > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net "If you haven't tried NCSA Mosaic to travel the Internet, then you are missing the best way to experience the Internet...Its so good, I think we should make a WWW server [here], and get a [256kbps] connection to the Internet." -- Rick Richardson, 9 Aug 1993 From steve at pro-ns.net Fri Mar 20 09:17:34 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Fri Mar 20 09:19:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: <924055.32240.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <924055.32240.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090320161734.GV27083@pro-ns.net> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 04:29:25PM -0700, Ron Rich wrote: > Guy's (and Gal), > It IS a copyright violation to "reproduce" in ANY way something that > is copy written ! This goes for books, photo's and music -- plus any > thing else that's so noted. I'm always pedantic. As opposed to your general statement, there are things for which copyright cannot be claimed (which doesn't always keep people from trying to claim it). And it's only a violation if you do it without permission, too. And there are exceptions to copyright law for education, parrody, and "fair use" as excerpts for review and such. (I also understand that Fair Use is more limited than a lot of people on the internet apparently think it is.) And as a practical matter, copyright violations are a civil offence, and the copyright holder has to be irritated enough to take you to court for your offence. This is why some, like Carl, believe it's OK if you share it one at a time or in a non systematic way; usually that's not irritating enough. Note that that doesn't protect you in the least if you do "wake the beast." In the specific question of the Description of Operation section that seems to be missing from later wurlitzer carousel mech juke manuals, I figure there are two or three chances that it would be OK to reproduce just that section for everybody: 1. It might be considered Fair Use, for educational or research purposes. 2. AMR's descendants (now Victory Glass has the stuff, right?) would be OK with it, either through explicit permission, or through not being irritated enough to sue. 3. There's another reason I'm not gonna mention by name, as it goes against my self interest, and could involve some court time I'm not the least bit interested in paying for. As it is, it would be really nice if that section was available to me *somehow*. Maybe a web site with a free PDF is too much to ask. But maybe VG could publish a cheap pamphlet with just this section of whichever manual had the best version? (And maybe they could be convinced to include it with manuals that don't already have the section?) Certainly without needing anyone's permission, and without jeopardizing anyone's bread and butter, as a group we could identify which manuals contain this section, which ones don't, and which earlier manual has the best verison of this information (or the version that most closely matches the later models), and recommend that earlier manual be purchased in addition to the one for the specific juke you have? I've thought about doing this but I'm not about to buy manuals at random until I find it. By the way, if anyone cares to check a 2400 series manual to determine if I'm completely nuts and the section is really there and I missed it, I'd appreciate it! --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net I*have*never*abused*emacs - it was entirely consentual. -- Jim Muchow From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 09:53:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 20 09:54:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck Message-ID: <541217.54352.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Steve, I just checked an original manual--not there for any 24xx model--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Steve Wahl wrote: From: Steve Wahl Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:17 AM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 04:29:25PM -0700, Ron Rich wrote: > Guy's (and Gal), > It IS a copyright violation to "reproduce" in ANY way something that > is copy written ! This goes for books, photo's and music -- plus any > thing else that's so noted. I'm always pedantic.? As opposed to your general statement, there are things for which copyright cannot be claimed (which doesn't always keep people from trying to claim it).? And it's only a violation if you do it without permission, too. And there are exceptions to copyright law for education, parrody, and "fair use" as excerpts for review and such.? (I also understand that Fair Use is more limited than a lot of people on the internet apparently think it is.) And as a practical matter, copyright violations are a civil offence, and the copyright holder has to be irritated enough to take you to court for your offence.? This is why some, like Carl, believe it's OK if you share it one at a time or in a non systematic way; usually that's not irritating enough.? Note that that doesn't protect you in the least if you do "wake the beast." In the specific question of the Description of Operation section that seems to be missing from later wurlitzer carousel mech juke manuals, I figure there are two or three chances that it would be OK to reproduce just that section for everybody: 1. It might be considered Fair Use, for educational or research ???purposes. 2. AMR's descendants (now Victory Glass has the stuff, right?) would ???be OK with it, either through explicit permission, or through not ???being irritated enough to sue. 3. There's another reason I'm not gonna mention by name, as it goes ???against my self interest, and could involve some court time I'm not ???the least bit interested in paying for. As it is, it would be really nice if that section was available to me *somehow*.? Maybe a web site with a free PDF is too much to ask.? But maybe VG could publish a cheap pamphlet with just this section of whichever manual had the best version?? (And maybe they could be convinced to include it with manuals that don't already have the section?) Certainly without needing anyone's permission, and without jeopardizing anyone's bread and butter, as a group we could identify which manuals contain this section, which ones don't, and which earlier manual has the best verison of this information (or the version that most closely matches the later models), and recommend that earlier manual be purchased in addition to the one for the specific juke you have?? I've thought about doing this but I'm not about to buy manuals at random until I find it. By the way, if anyone cares to check a 2400 series manual to determine if I'm completely nuts and the section is really there and I missed it, I'd appreciate it! --> Steve -- Steve Wahl? ? steve@pro-ns.net I*have*never*abused*emacs - it was entirely consentual.? -- Jim Muchow _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Mar 20 11:17:05 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Mar 20 11:20:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck Message-ID: <20090320.141705.6044.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Carl & Lynne: Just offering my .02 cents worth of advice regarding the service manuals..... Back in the day,the jukebox manufacturers introduced new models annually. Sometimes these were mostly styling and artwork changes, where the machines' internals stayed pretty much the same. All the juke manufacturers offered limited-edition "compendium" style service manuals, targeted to vendor's service departments, because they typically had a fleet of the same-brand jukeboxes in use. These compendium manuals have not been reproduced in later years. It could be a "paper chase" to find one of these. In my opinion, Wurlitzer prepared/published very complete manuals with detailed descriptions,diagrams and pictures for models when a new technology or mech. format got introduced. The first Wurl model using the 45 carousel mech was the ' 54 1700. Wurl made changes/refinements to the mech in models 1800 and 1900, so these are "thick" manuals as well. These were 104 play machines, that are essentially the same mechanically as a 2304. The audio schematics for these older models will be different. By the time the '59 2300 family was brought out, The line was expanded to have several model variations---- The 2300 is a 200 play machine, the 2310 is a 100 play machine and the 2304 was a 104 play model. All 3 selection systems differ in their operation, but the basic carousel mech is the same. This is also the first year that a new jukebox buyer had a choice of mono or stereo audio (2300-S) for each model. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Best selection of Bibles. Click Now http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYyjBFL22zGWKdGvgUetq3xbV3Y0XTcI0tinjzZGZqIBd2JlGEUYA/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Mar 20 12:25:03 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Mar 20 12:29:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question Message-ID: <20090320.152503.56.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Ron: Wasn't the culture of thought on the creative side of the record industry very different at the time of the "speed wars" than it was later on? Crafting a pop song for release in the early 50's was regarded as a formula, corporate effort. Songwriters wrote, an A & R (artists and repertoire) producer lined up a song with a singer from the alabels' stable of talent, then lined up the best musicians (or orchestra) to back up the singer with the arrangement. The song usually had to be less than 3.5 mins. long in order to fit onto 78 or 45 RPM discs, fit into radio airplay schedules, and to be a candidate for jukebox play. Operators disliked long songs as the machine took in less money at a busy establishment. I would imagine this is why Seeburg disliked a 7" 33 single. In the mid 60's, things changed but jukeboxes were still in wide use. This was now the era of the self-produced singer-songwriter (Beatles, Stones, Bob Dylan, etc) who did not want to be hobbled by the 3-minute rule. One of the service jobs I remember performing frequently was to oh-so-carefully adjust the trip-out switches on Wurl jukes to allow playing of 7 + minute songs like the Beatles "Hey Jude" or Richard Harris' McArthur Park", without an early tripoff. If someone played these 2 hit songs back to back, it could keep a bar/restaurant entertained for 15 + minutes for 20 cents, much to the chagrin of the operator. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to find quality jewelry at huge discounts. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYN2kgovXmvHe9EyZi91wcM9A9RvnJuDXiolBqgvPoa6LYuEeivnC/ From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 12:47:07 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Mar 20 12:54:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: <541217.54352.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <541217.54352.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690903201247l230ff5ferbc7f6a4f3a677f3f@mail.gmail.com> This begs the question - are the older jukebox manuals and other documents really protected by copyright? And who would be the owner? I have a vague memory that there were lawsuits when AMR started reprinting the manuals in the 80's- A lot of jukin' stuff falls into 'public domain', for example the Wurlitzer factory videos. Therefore, you don't have to buy them from ebay or Victory Glass, you can simply download them from www.archive.org Is Frank Adams still around btw? Jens On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Steve, > I just checked an original manual--not there for any 24xx model--Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Steve Wahl wrote: > > From: Steve Wahl > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:17 AM > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 04:29:25PM -0700, Ron Rich wrote: > > Guy's (and Gal), > > > It IS a copyright violation to "reproduce" in ANY way something that > > is copy written ! This goes for books, photo's and music -- plus any > > thing else that's so noted. > > I'm always pedantic. As opposed to your general statement, there are > things for which copyright cannot be claimed (which doesn't always > keep people from trying to claim it). And it's only a violation if > you do it without permission, too. > > And there are exceptions to copyright law for education, parrody, and > "fair use" as excerpts for review and such. (I also understand that > Fair Use is more limited than a lot of people on the internet > apparently think it is.) > > And as a practical matter, copyright violations are a civil offence, > and the copyright holder has to be irritated enough to take you to > court for your offence. This is why some, like Carl, believe it's OK > if you share it one at a time or in a non systematic way; usually > that's not irritating enough. > > Note that that doesn't protect you in the least if you do "wake the > beast." > > In the specific question of the Description of Operation section that > seems to be missing from later wurlitzer carousel mech juke manuals, I > figure there are two or three chances that it would be OK to reproduce > just that section for everybody: > > 1. It might be considered Fair Use, for educational or research > purposes. > > 2. AMR's descendants (now Victory Glass has the stuff, right?) would > be OK with it, either through explicit permission, or through not > being irritated enough to sue. > > 3. There's another reason I'm not gonna mention by name, as it goes > against my self interest, and could involve some court time I'm not > the least bit interested in paying for. > > As it is, it would be really nice if that section was available to me > *somehow*. Maybe a web site with a free PDF is too much to ask. But > maybe VG could publish a cheap pamphlet with just this section of > whichever manual had the best version? (And maybe they could be > convinced to include it with manuals that don't already have the > section?) > > Certainly without needing anyone's permission, and without > jeopardizing anyone's bread and butter, as a group we could identify > which manuals contain this section, which ones don't, and which > earlier manual has the best verison of this information (or the > version that most closely matches the later models), and recommend > that earlier manual be purchased in addition to the one for the > specific juke you have? I've thought about doing this but I'm not > about to buy manuals at random until I find it. > > By the way, if anyone cares to check a 2400 series manual to determine > if I'm completely nuts and the section is really there and I missed > it, I'd appreciate it! > > --> Steve > > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > I*have*never*abused*emacs - it was entirely consentual. -- Jim Muchow > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From skup73 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 12:54:12 2009 From: skup73 at yahoo.com (Dave) Date: Fri Mar 20 13:02:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fair Use and Service Manuals Message-ID: <987360.33837.qm@web35802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am not an intellectual property attorney, but my understanding of fair use is that it is based on the following: 1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; 2)the nature of the copyrighted work; 3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and 4)the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. I'd argue that the posting of a theory of operation for a common mechanism type would further the nonprofit educational purpose of the group, and promote interest in the jukebox hobby. I, for one, would be interested in how those mechanisms work, even though I do not own a Wurlitzer jukebox and would never have a reason to buy the service manual. The owner of the copyright might feel differently, but I think that would be short-sighted, since you can only sell manuals to people who are interested in the machines and have enough background to want to work on them. From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 14:55:41 2009 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Fri Mar 20 14:57:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: <20090320161734.GV27083@pro-ns.net> References: <924055.32240.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20090320161734.GV27083@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: FYI... I placed an order from Victory Glass for the 2300 manual. it supposed to be 102 pages vs. the 2304 manual which is only 80 pages. Carl On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 04:29:25PM -0700, Ron Rich wrote: > > Guy's (and Gal), > > > It IS a copyright violation to "reproduce" in ANY way something that > > is copy written ! This goes for books, photo's and music -- plus any > > thing else that's so noted. > > I'm always pedantic. As opposed to your general statement, there are > things for which copyright cannot be claimed (which doesn't always > keep people from trying to claim it). And it's only a violation if > you do it without permission, too. > > And there are exceptions to copyright law for education, parrody, and > "fair use" as excerpts for review and such. (I also understand that > Fair Use is more limited than a lot of people on the internet > apparently think it is.) > > And as a practical matter, copyright violations are a civil offence, > and the copyright holder has to be irritated enough to take you to > court for your offence. This is why some, like Carl, believe it's OK > if you share it one at a time or in a non systematic way; usually > that's not irritating enough. > > Note that that doesn't protect you in the least if you do "wake the > beast." > > In the specific question of the Description of Operation section that > seems to be missing from later wurlitzer carousel mech juke manuals, I > figure there are two or three chances that it would be OK to reproduce > just that section for everybody: > > 1. It might be considered Fair Use, for educational or research > purposes. > > 2. AMR's descendants (now Victory Glass has the stuff, right?) would > be OK with it, either through explicit permission, or through not > being irritated enough to sue. > > 3. There's another reason I'm not gonna mention by name, as it goes > against my self interest, and could involve some court time I'm not > the least bit interested in paying for. > > As it is, it would be really nice if that section was available to me > *somehow*. Maybe a web site with a free PDF is too much to ask. But > maybe VG could publish a cheap pamphlet with just this section of > whichever manual had the best version? (And maybe they could be > convinced to include it with manuals that don't already have the > section?) > > Certainly without needing anyone's permission, and without > jeopardizing anyone's bread and butter, as a group we could identify > which manuals contain this section, which ones don't, and which > earlier manual has the best verison of this information (or the > version that most closely matches the later models), and recommend > that earlier manual be purchased in addition to the one for the > specific juke you have? I've thought about doing this but I'm not > about to buy manuals at random until I find it. > > By the way, if anyone cares to check a 2400 series manual to determine > if I'm completely nuts and the section is really there and I missed > it, I'd appreciate it! > > --> Steve > > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > I*have*never*abused*emacs - it was entirely consentual. -- Jim Muchow > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 15:23:31 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 20 15:25:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck Message-ID: <242101.83102.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jens, I do not know which are covered and which are not. I just got a VG reprint of a W-1100 manual, and there is NO notice on it---I suppose that those with the notice are still covered?? I have not heard of Frank in years--but that's meaningless---Ron Rich --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 12:47 PM This begs the question - are the older jukebox manuals and other documents really protected by copyright? And who would be the owner? I have a vague memory that there were lawsuits when AMR started reprinting the manuals in the 80's- A lot of jukin' stuff falls into 'public domain', for example the Wurlitzer factory videos. Therefore, you don't have to buy them from ebay or Victory Glass, you can simply download them from www.archive.org Is Frank Adams still around btw? ? ? Jens On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Steve, > I just checked an original manual--not there for any 24xx model--Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Steve Wahl wrote: > > From: Steve Wahl > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:17 AM > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 04:29:25PM -0700, Ron Rich wrote: > > Guy's (and Gal), > > > It IS a copyright violation to "reproduce" in ANY way something that > > is copy written ! This goes for books, photo's and music -- plus any > > thing else that's so noted. > > I'm always pedantic.? As opposed to your general statement, there are > things for which copyright cannot be claimed (which doesn't always > keep people from trying to claim it).? And it's only a violation if > you do it without permission, too. > > And there are exceptions to copyright law for education, parrody, and > "fair use" as excerpts for review and such.? (I also understand that > Fair Use is more limited than a lot of people on the internet > apparently think it is.) > > And as a practical matter, copyright violations are a civil offence, > and the copyright holder has to be irritated enough to take you to > court for your offence.? This is why some, like Carl, believe it's OK > if you share it one at a time or in a non systematic way; usually > that's not irritating enough. > > Note that that doesn't protect you in the least if you do "wake the > beast." > > In the specific question of the Description of Operation section that > seems to be missing from later wurlitzer carousel mech juke manuals, I > figure there are two or three chances that it would be OK to reproduce > just that section for everybody: > > 1. It might be considered Fair Use, for educational or research >? ? purposes. > > 2. AMR's descendants (now Victory Glass has the stuff, right?) would >? ? be OK with it, either through explicit permission, or through not >? ? being irritated enough to sue. > > 3. There's another reason I'm not gonna mention by name, as it goes >? ? against my self interest, and could involve some court time I'm not >? ? the least bit interested in paying for. > > As it is, it would be really nice if that section was available to me > *somehow*.? Maybe a web site with a free PDF is too much to ask.? But > maybe VG could publish a cheap pamphlet with just this section of > whichever manual had the best version?? (And maybe they could be > convinced to include it with manuals that don't already have the > section?) > > Certainly without needing anyone's permission, and without > jeopardizing anyone's bread and butter, as a group we could identify > which manuals contain this section, which ones don't, and which > earlier manual has the best verison of this information (or the > version that most closely matches the later models), and recommend > that earlier manual be purchased in addition to the one for the > specific juke you have?? I've thought about doing this but I'm not > about to buy manuals at random until I find it. > > By the way, if anyone cares to check a 2400 series manual to determine > if I'm completely nuts and the section is really there and I missed > it, I'd appreciate it! > > --> Steve > > -- > Steve Wahl? ? steve@pro-ns.net > > I*have*never*abused*emacs - it was entirely consentual.? -- Jim Muchow > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 15:34:29 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Mar 20 15:36:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fair Use and Service Manuals Message-ID: <126999.14060.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Dave wrote: > I'd argue that the posting of a theory of operation for a > common mechanism type would further the nonprofit > educational purpose of the group, and promote interest in > the jukebox hobby.? Are you talking about posting the detailed TOO section from a published service manual, or simply discussing the TOO on this list? Since understanding how a machine works is a major step in servicing it, I'm sure that the owners of the copyrights of these manuals would take exception to large segments of the manuals being distributed here. From jay at west.net Fri Mar 20 16:42:27 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Mar 20 16:44:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: <242101.83102.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <242101.83102.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49C429E3.3060700@west.net> I am not a lawyer, so take this as a layman's opinion... See: http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First This is a listing of items copyrighted since 1978. Verification of copyrights before 1978 requires a manual search through paper records. A search on "Wurlitzer" here lists 110 items, mostly related to organs and sound recordings. Two listings may apply. One of them is a CD compilation of manuals, copyright owner Robert Danti for a CD-ROM titled "Wurlitzer Juke Box : manuals suite". The copyright is for "New Matter: text, audiovisual, and compilation". The other is "Wurlitzer jukeboxes 1934-1974", copyright owner Frank Adams, copyright for "New Matter: compilation & original textual material". (This may not even be manuals, it could be a picture book.) The word "compilation" in both of the above listings is interesting. More to follow... See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain#1964_to_1977 and continue to "Before 1964". In my opinion, it is extremely likely that the original jukebox manuals printed before 1964 are fair game, unless the copyright owner renewed the copyright during the 28th year after first published. 28 years after 1963 would be 1991. Wurlitzer or whoever owned what was left of them in 1991 probably had forgotten that they ever made jukeboxes or had the forethought to file paperwork with the copyright office for old manuals. Sales of 1960s era jukebox manuals wouldn't exactly be a huge profit center for them in 1991. I have a few original manuals of that era, I'll have to look to see if there's even a copyright notice on any of them. Regarding compilation: One can take works in the public domain and add new material, formatting, and "compilation". This compilation can be copyrighted but the copyright only applies to the compilation and not to the preexisting material. See http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#103 AMR, Victory Glass, and the CD-ROM vendors can bundle manuals, add explanatory pages or listings of hit songs of the era, etc. and copyright the compilation as a whole. This doesn't give them any exclusive rights to the original manuals that they have reprinted, only to the value added by the compilation or any newly authored added material. And, if the original is still under copyright and they don't have permission then they're infringing on it and can be held liable. The only way to be 100% certain would be to go to the copyright office and search the paper records, or pay someone to do so. Reproducing a portion of a 1960s Wurlitzer manual that doesn't include any added new AMR material may be a violation of someone's copyright somewhere but IMHO such is highly unlikely. If someone wants to scan such, I'll risk putting it on the web and wait for a takedown notice. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Fri Mar 20 16:47:58 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Fri Mar 20 16:49:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck References: <924055.32240.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><20090320161734.GV27083@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <002b01c9a9b6$4cd41800$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Carl - you remind me of my mother - she asks for advice, then does it her way anyway. :) The 2300 manual does not have the info you are seeking either. There are extra pages because Wurlitzer combined the 2300 and 2310 into one manual - those models have similar selection systems and record baskets that are different from the 2304 (104 play) mech. Buy the 1900 manual or contact VG to see if the 2204 manual has that info. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > FYI... I placed an order from Victory Glass for the 2300 manual. it > supposed to be 102 pages vs. the 2304 manual which is only 80 pages. > > Carl > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 04:29:25PM -0700, Ron Rich wrote: >> > Guy's (and Gal), >> >> > It IS a copyright violation to "reproduce" in ANY way something that >> > is copy written ! This goes for books, photo's and music -- plus any >> > thing else that's so noted. >> >> I'm always pedantic. As opposed to your general statement, there are >> things for which copyright cannot be claimed (which doesn't always >> keep people from trying to claim it). And it's only a violation if >> you do it without permission, too. >> >> And there are exceptions to copyright law for education, parrody, and >> "fair use" as excerpts for review and such. (I also understand that >> Fair Use is more limited than a lot of people on the internet >> apparently think it is.) >> >> And as a practical matter, copyright violations are a civil offence, >> and the copyright holder has to be irritated enough to take you to >> court for your offence. This is why some, like Carl, believe it's OK >> if you share it one at a time or in a non systematic way; usually >> that's not irritating enough. >> >> Note that that doesn't protect you in the least if you do "wake the >> beast." >> >> In the specific question of the Description of Operation section that >> seems to be missing from later wurlitzer carousel mech juke manuals, I >> figure there are two or three chances that it would be OK to reproduce >> just that section for everybody: >> >> 1. It might be considered Fair Use, for educational or research >> purposes. >> >> 2. AMR's descendants (now Victory Glass has the stuff, right?) would >> be OK with it, either through explicit permission, or through not >> being irritated enough to sue. >> >> 3. There's another reason I'm not gonna mention by name, as it goes >> against my self interest, and could involve some court time I'm not >> the least bit interested in paying for. >> >> As it is, it would be really nice if that section was available to me >> *somehow*. Maybe a web site with a free PDF is too much to ask. But >> maybe VG could publish a cheap pamphlet with just this section of >> whichever manual had the best version? (And maybe they could be >> convinced to include it with manuals that don't already have the >> section?) >> >> Certainly without needing anyone's permission, and without >> jeopardizing anyone's bread and butter, as a group we could identify >> which manuals contain this section, which ones don't, and which >> earlier manual has the best verison of this information (or the >> version that most closely matches the later models), and recommend >> that earlier manual be purchased in addition to the one for the >> specific juke you have? I've thought about doing this but I'm not >> about to buy manuals at random until I find it. >> >> By the way, if anyone cares to check a 2400 series manual to determine >> if I'm completely nuts and the section is really there and I missed >> it, I'd appreciate it! >> >> --> Steve >> >> -- >> Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net >> >> I*have*never*abused*emacs - it was entirely consentual. -- Jim Muchow >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Fri Mar 20 17:13:35 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Mar 20 17:15:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: <49C429E3.3060700@west.net> References: <242101.83102.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <49C429E3.3060700@west.net> Message-ID: <49C4312F.2080001@telus.net> Jay Hennigan wrote: > > I am not a lawyer, so take this as a layman's opinion... > > See: http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First > > This is a listing of items copyrighted since 1978. Verification of > copyrights before 1978 requires a manual search through paper records. > > A search on "Wurlitzer" here lists 110 items, mostly related to organs > and sound recordings. Two listings may apply. One of them is a CD > compilation of manuals, copyright owner Robert Danti for a CD-ROM > titled "Wurlitzer Juke Box : manuals suite". The copyright is for > "New Matter: text, audiovisual, and compilation". > > The other is "Wurlitzer jukeboxes 1934-1974", copyright owner Frank > Adams, copyright for "New Matter: compilation & original textual > material". (This may not even be manuals, it could be a picture book.) > > The word "compilation" in both of the above listings is interesting. > More to follow... > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain#1964_to_1977 and > continue to "Before 1964". > > In my opinion, it is extremely likely that the original jukebox > manuals printed before 1964 are fair game, unless the copyright owner > renewed the copyright during the 28th year after first published. 28 > years after 1963 would be 1991. Wurlitzer or whoever owned what was > left of them in 1991 probably had forgotten that they ever made > jukeboxes or had the forethought to file paperwork with the copyright > office for old manuals. Sales of 1960s era jukebox manuals wouldn't > exactly be a huge profit center for them in 1991. I have a few > original manuals of that era, I'll have to look to see if there's even > a copyright notice on any of them. > > Regarding compilation: One can take works in the public domain and > add new material, formatting, and "compilation". This compilation can > be copyrighted but the copyright only applies to the compilation and > not to the preexisting material. > See http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#103 > > AMR, Victory Glass, and the CD-ROM vendors can bundle manuals, add > explanatory pages or listings of hit songs of the era, etc. and > copyright the compilation as a whole. This doesn't give them any > exclusive rights to the original manuals that they have reprinted, > only to the value added by the compilation or any newly authored added > material. And, if the original is still under copyright and they > don't have permission then they're infringing on it and can be held > liable. > > The only way to be 100% certain would be to go to the copyright office > and search the paper records, or pay someone to do so. > > Reproducing a portion of a 1960s Wurlitzer manual that doesn't include > any added new AMR material may be a violation of someone's copyright > somewhere but IMHO such is highly unlikely. If someone wants to scan > such, I'll risk putting it on the web and wait for a takedown notice. > One should also consider that Rockola (and many other companies) are all providing PDF copies of their service manuals on their web sites...Wurlitzer is OK with my hosting a few of their CD manuals on flippers as well. For pinball games - a great many manuals are freely available for download from www.ipdb.org with the only holdout being Gottlieb LLC who are protecting the copyright. The printed manuals by Victory/AMR are very nice, much better than one can run off with the standard home printer - worth paying for as a result. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Fri Mar 20 17:32:41 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Fri Mar 20 17:40:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck Message-ID: <865790.90086.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi from John at the MetroCinema... A little off the track... but regarding copyright of manuals . Its not only manuals etc. I wonder how many folk on this forum would have recorded movies onto DVD or VHS ... and passed them onto friends or family to watch. If you are guilty of this... why not pass round workshop manuals? I say help out your fellow Jukebox Collectors... --- On Sat, 21/3/09, John Robertson wrote: > From: John Robertson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Saturday, 21 March, 2009, 1:13 PM > Jay Hennigan wrote: > > > > I am not a lawyer, so take this as a layman's > opinion... > > > > See: http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First > > > > This is a listing of items copyrighted since > 1978.? Verification of copyrights before 1978 requires > a manual search through paper records. > > > > A search on "Wurlitzer" here lists 110 items, mostly > related to organs and sound recordings.? Two listings > may apply.? One of them is a CD compilation of manuals, > copyright owner Robert Danti for a CD-ROM titled "Wurlitzer > Juke Box : manuals suite".? The copyright is for "New > Matter: text, audiovisual, and compilation". > > > > The other is "Wurlitzer jukeboxes 1934-1974", > copyright owner Frank Adams, copyright for "New Matter: > compilation & original textual material".? (This > may not even be manuals, it could be a picture book.) > > > > The word "compilation" in both of the above listings > is interesting. More to follow... > > > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain#1964_to_1977 > and continue to "Before 1964". > > > > In my opinion, it is extremely likely that the > original jukebox manuals printed before 1964 are fair game, > unless the copyright owner renewed the copyright during the > 28th year after first published.? 28 years after 1963 > would be 1991.? Wurlitzer or whoever owned what was > left of them in 1991 probably had forgotten that they ever > made jukeboxes or had the forethought to file paperwork with > the copyright office for old manuals.? Sales of 1960s > era jukebox manuals wouldn't exactly be a huge profit center > for them in 1991.? I have a few original manuals of > that era, I'll have to look to see if there's even a > copyright notice on any of them. > > > > Regarding compilation:? One can take works in the > public domain and add new material, formatting, and > "compilation".? This compilation can be copyrighted but > the copyright only applies to the compilation and not to the > preexisting material. > > See http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#103 > > > > AMR, Victory Glass, and the CD-ROM vendors can bundle > manuals, add explanatory pages or listings of hit songs of > the era, etc. and copyright the compilation as a > whole.? This doesn't give them any exclusive rights to > the original manuals that they have reprinted, only to the > value added by the compilation or any newly authored added > material.? And, if the original is still under > copyright and they don't have permission then they're > infringing on it and can be held liable. > > > > The only way to be 100% certain would be to go to the > copyright office and search the paper records, or pay > someone to do so. > > > > Reproducing a portion of a 1960s Wurlitzer manual that > doesn't include any added new AMR material may be a > violation of someone's copyright somewhere but IMHO such is > highly unlikely.? If someone wants to scan such, I'll > risk putting it on the web and wait for a takedown notice. > > > One should also consider that Rockola (and many other > companies) are all providing PDF copies of their service > manuals on their web sites...Wurlitzer is OK with my hosting > a few of their CD manuals on flippers as well. > > For pinball games - a great many manuals are freely > available for download from www.ipdb.org with the only > holdout being Gottlieb LLC who are protecting the > copyright. > > The printed manuals by Victory/AMR are very nice, much > better than one can run off with the standard home printer - > worth paying for as a result. > > John :-#)# > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada > V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, > VideoGames) > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 15:17:54 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Mar 20 20:11:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question Message-ID: <449733.45158.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, You are probably correct--I was not around in the early 50's, but was working for a top-40 music radio station briefly? in about ' 58--they also dis-liked playing "Hey Jude", and other "long cuts" as it cut down on the "MORE RECORDS PER HOUR" promotion that they ran-- Ron --- On Fri, 3/20/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg m100a restoration question To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 12:25 PM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Ron: Wasn't the culture of thought on the creative side of the record industry very different at the time of the "speed wars" than it was later on? Crafting a pop song for release in the early 50's was regarded as a formula, corporate effort.? Songwriters wrote, an A & R (artists and repertoire) producer lined up a song with a singer from the alabels' stable of talent, then lined up the best musicians (or orchestra) to back up the singer with the arrangement.? ? ? The song usually had to be less than 3.5 mins. long in order to fit onto 78 or 45 RPM discs, fit into radio airplay schedules, and to be a candidate for jukebox play. Operators disliked long songs as the machine took in less money at a busy establishment.? I would imagine this is why Seeburg disliked a 7" 33 single. In the mid 60's, things changed but jukeboxes were still in wide use.? This was now the era of the self-produced singer-songwriter (Beatles, Stones, Bob Dylan, etc) who did not want to be hobbled by the 3-minute rule.? ???One of the service jobs I remember performing frequently was to oh-so-carefully adjust the trip-out switches on Wurl jukes to allow playing of 7 + minute songs like the Beatles "Hey Jude" or Richard Harris'? McArthur Park", without an early tripoff.? ? If someone played these 2 hit songs back to back, it could keep a bar/restaurant entertained for 15 + minutes for 20 cents, much to the chagrin of the operator.??? Jim Alexander? ____________________________________________________________ Click to find quality jewelry at huge discounts. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYN2kgovXmvHe9EyZi91wcM9A9RvnJuDXiolBqgvPoa6LYuEeivnC/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rudymart at charter.net Fri Mar 20 11:05:02 2009 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Fri Mar 20 22:43:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s selections Message-ID: <6727B2084AB7484D9230228DA46F6368@luluPC> Steve, sorry I did not give complete information. if I select any 4 or 9 letters A-K , the 3 and 8 pins pop up. if I select the 3 or 8 the 3 and 8 pins pop up. all other selections work correctly. thanks rudy From jay at west.net Fri Mar 20 23:14:17 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Mar 20 23:15:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s selections In-Reply-To: <6727B2084AB7484D9230228DA46F6368@luluPC> References: <6727B2084AB7484D9230228DA46F6368@luluPC> Message-ID: <49C485B9.3080701@west.net> rudymart wrote: > Steve, sorry I did not give complete information. if I select any 4 or 9 letters A-K , the 3 and 8 pins pop up. if I select the 3 or 8 the 3 and 8 pins pop up. all other selections work correctly. thanks rudy The early stop plate is mechanically stuck or solenoid is firing in error. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 21 06:09:44 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sat Mar 21 06:11:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Slide Switches Message-ID: <270313.45549.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, The 1422 Keyboard dissection, cleaning and re-adjustment of slide switches contacts did not turn out so well. There was significant damage probably by someone trying to bend the contacts from the outside while the assembly was still installed. Even when adjusted the little contacts did not seem to have a willingness to hold tension, sort of like a loss of temper. I did learn that I could test the keyboard by carefully securing it together instead of bending the steel tabs. Therefore I did not break any of them due to metal fatigue. Every time I buy a Mexican jukebox I swear I will never buy another but I always do. I decided to wait for a decent slide switch assembly to turn up and ?Mickey Mouse? (forgive me Mickey) a temporary fix, I hope. I added an additional aluminum strip to hold 20 miniature pushbuttons. It is adjustable so the pressing of the selector buttons positively close the switches but not allow a strong guy to really hammer the switches. I also added a rubber nipple to each pushbutton to help reduce damage to the pushbuttons. I suppose as long as no one holds the buttons down it might be OK. Let?s see how the buttons handle the amperage. I think I will use the available 6 volts that was for wallboxes (if I remember correctly, anyway it is there) to light the ?Thank You? Light with a 6V bulb. I am sure this machine will never have coin gear so the pushbuttons seemed an easy fix. What did I do wrong? Here are some pictures. I have to have a great big shot of Geritol after all of this! http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-022S.JPG http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-780S.JPG http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-781S.JPG David (in the Geritol Ghetto) From jeremy at dwave.net Sat Mar 21 07:01:29 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sat Mar 21 07:03:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Slide Switches In-Reply-To: <270313.45549.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <270313.45549.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090321140005.M41678@dwave.net> Thanks for posting those photos David. That's quite a transformation! Nice mod with the switches. Jeremy Agema On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 06:09:44 -0700 (PDT), david wendell wrote > Hi Everyone, > > The 1422 Keyboard dissection, cleaning and re-adjustment of slide > switches contacts did not turn out so well. There was significant > damage probably by someone trying to bend the contacts from the > outside while the assembly was still installed. Even when adjusted > the little contacts did not seem to have a willingness to hold > tension, sort of like a loss of temper. I did learn that I could > test the keyboard by carefully securing it together instead of > bending the steel tabs. Therefore I did not break any of them due > to metal fatigue. > > Every time I buy a Mexican jukebox I swear I will never buy another > but I always do. > > I decided to wait for a decent slide switch assembly to turn up and [UTF-8?]> ???Mickey Mouse??? (forgive me Mickey) a temporary fix, I hope. I > added an additional aluminum strip to hold 20 miniature pushbuttons. > It is adjustable so the pressing of the selector buttons positively > close the switches but not allow a strong guy to really hammer the > switches. I also added a rubber nipple to each pushbutton to help > reduce damage to the pushbuttons. > > I suppose as long as no one holds the buttons down it might be OK. [UTF-8?]> Let???s see how the buttons handle the amperage. I think I will use > the available 6 volts that was for wallboxes (if I remember [UTF-8?]> correctly, anyway it is there) to light the ???Thank You??? Light > with a 6V bulb. I am sure this machine will never have coin gear so > the pushbuttons seemed an easy fix. What did I do wrong? > > Here are some pictures. I have to have a great big shot of Geritol > after all of this! > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-022S.JPG > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-780S.JPG > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-781S.JPG > > David (in the Geritol Ghetto) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From wbabbott at verizon.net Sat Mar 21 07:16:01 2009 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Sat Mar 21 07:17:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Slide Switches Message-ID: <1049735411.23849201237644961801.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> David....BRAVO ! Another Rockola brought back to it's former Glory! A beautiful restoration job! Gives me hope and inspiration for the three Mills Throne o Music jukes sitting in my garage! Oh, plus the 4th one I'm picking up in FL next week. David, rather than spending what sounds like a lot of time and effort on the button slide switches, you might keep an eye on Ebay for a spare keyboard as I see them come up occasionally! Britt Chesapeake, VA On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Jeremy Agema wrote: > Thanks for posting those photos David. That's quite a transformation! Nice mod with the switches. Jeremy Agema On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 06:09:44 -0700 (PDT), david wendell wrote > Hi Everyone, > > The 1422 Keyboard dissection, cleaning and re-adjustment of slide > switches contacts did not turn out so well.? There was significant > damage probably by someone trying to bend the contacts from the > outside while the assembly was still installed.? Even when adjusted > the little contacts did not seem to have a willingness to hold > tension, sort of like a loss of temper.? I did learn that I could test > the keyboard by carefully securing it together instead of bending the > steel tabs.? Therefore I did not break any of them due to metal > fatigue. > > Every time I buy a Mexican jukebox I swear I will never buy another > but I always do. > > I decided to wait for a decent slide switch assembly to turn up and [UTF-8?]> ???Mickey Mouse???? (forgive me Mickey) a temporary fix, I hope.? I > added an additional aluminum strip to hold 20 miniature pushbuttons. ? > It is adjustable so the pressing of the selector buttons positively > close the switches but not allow a strong guy to really hammer the > switches.? I also added a rubber nipple to each pushbutton to help > reduce damage to the pushbuttons. > > I suppose as long as no one holds the buttons down it might be OK. [UTF-8?]>? Let???s see how the buttons handle the amperage. I think I will use > the available 6 volts that was for wallboxes (if I remember [UTF-8?]> correctly, anyway it is there) to light the ???Thank You??? Light > with a 6V bulb.? I am sure this machine will never have coin gear so > the pushbuttons seemed an easy fix.?? What did I do wrong? > > Here are some pictures.? I have to have a great big shot of Geritol > after all of this! > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-022S.JPG > ? > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-780S.JPG > ? > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-781S.JPG > ? > > David (in the Geritol Ghetto) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ? > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > ? > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? From magic-4u at pacbell.net Sat Mar 21 08:49:37 2009 From: magic-4u at pacbell.net (Bradley Grant) Date: Sat Mar 21 08:46:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 needles opinion Message-ID: <6BF94F3E-2F40-4B2F-98A9-77988D7E0236@pacbell.net> Thanks, guys for the info. Much appreciated Brad, Vacaville, CA http://www.jukeboxnut.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Mar 21 09:54:58 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Mar 21 09:56:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Slide Switches Message-ID: <674657.3742.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, What didja do?? It appears that you somehow removed that beautiful "blue" color from the side of that "Mexican" JB!? How's anyone to know that it was "Mexican" now ? As for the switches,? some years ago, I ran into a V, or K Seeburg where the "drum" control switches were all broken, so I designed a new bracket that mounted to the original switch, which held a "Microswitch". I think that you could do that with what you have there, providing that you only need a NO/NC/C type switch to make selections. The Microswitch was activated by the end of the original "shank" being pushed thru the original frame. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 3/21/09, david wendell wrote: From: david wendell Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Slide Switches To: "jukebox list" Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 6:09 AM Hi Everyone, The 1422 Keyboard dissection, cleaning and re-adjustment of slide switches contacts did not turn out so well.? There was significant damage probably by someone trying to bend the contacts from the outside while the assembly was still installed.? Even when adjusted the little contacts did not seem to have a willingness to hold tension, sort of like a loss of temper.? I did learn that I could test the keyboard by carefully securing it together instead of bending the steel tabs.? Therefore I did not break any of them due to metal fatigue.? Every time I buy a Mexican jukebox I swear I will never buy another but I always do. I decided to wait for a decent slide switch assembly to turn up and ?Mickey Mouse?? (forgive me Mickey) a temporary fix, I hope.? I added an additional aluminum strip to hold 20 miniature pushbuttons.? It is adjustable so the pressing of the selector buttons positively close the switches but not allow a strong guy to really hammer the switches.? I also added a rubber nipple to each pushbutton to help reduce damage to the pushbuttons. I suppose as long as no one holds the buttons down it might be OK.? Let?s see how the buttons handle the amperage. I think I will use the available 6 volts that was for wallboxes (if I remember correctly, anyway it is there) to light the ?Thank You? Light with a 6V bulb.? I am sure this machine will never have coin gear so the pushbuttons seemed an easy fix.???What did I do wrong? Here are some pictures.? I have to have a great big shot of Geritol after all of this! http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-022S.JPG http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-780S.JPG http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-781S.JPG David (in the Geritol Ghetto) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 12:55:03 2009 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Sat Mar 21 12:56:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: References: <20090319.144209.16350.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> <20090319192316.GS27083@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: I loosen the motor mounts and disengaged the motor. I replaced the 2amp fused and the motor worked but, I couldn't get it to reverse direction with the reverse switch. I then moved the mute and play switch and I could get the mechanism motor to run. Then I moved the transfer switch and I got a spark and the fused blew. I have a 2304 manual but which doesn't include the details on how the mechanism works, just a lot of adjustments. Currently, looking at the wiring diagram. Next step to buy a manual that describes how the mechanism works. Carl On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury < jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Carl, > First thing to check is that the motor runs when the gear is disengaged. > Remove 2 of the mounting Allen screws and swivel the motor away from the > main mech gear so that it can run with no load. Now see if it blows the > fuse. Even if the fuse still blows it may not be the motor at fault. The > motors on these mechs do not have a permanent magnet in them, they > therefore > use an electromagnet - also known as a "field coil". This means there are 4 > wires going to the motor, 2 of them are for the field coil and 2 are for > the > armature. The reversing switch changes the polarity on one of these pairs > of > wires (can't remember which off hand) and if not correctly adjusted can > short and cause the fuse to blow. Check the switch adjustments as shown in > the manual. If the switch is properly adjusted then you are probably > looking > at a bad motor - disconnect either the field coil or armature and try again > to see which one is bad, it's unlikely that both are shorted. > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > > > Steve, > > I don't believe it is a violation of copy right rules if you share it with > one person at a time or in a none systematic way. > > So yes, I would love to see what you have on the mechanism. Also, > anything > that talks about the mechanism motor. I believe I may have an electrical > problem. It blows a fuse any time the mechanism motor is engaged. > > Thanks, > > Carl Sullivan > Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: > > > > > > Carl: > > > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you > > > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation > > > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings. This > > > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time > > > through the 50's-60's. > > > > I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 > > manual? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)? I thought I looked for > > something like that and found it sadly missing. > > > > If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get > > anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the > > web as a pdf? > > > > --> Steve > > > > -- > > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > > > If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's > > stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep > > me away from it! > > -- eldavojohn on Slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.20/2013 - Release Date: 03/18/09 > 07:17:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Mar 21 13:37:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Mar 21 13:39:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck Message-ID: <279275.92288.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Carl, Hint: Look at the switches themselves (with power OFF !). Look for a broken blade, or a burned/pitted contact. If none found, watch the switches work--be sure that blades "open" before the "other side" "makes"--Ron Rich --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote: From: Carl & Lynne Sullivan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 12:55 PM I loosen the motor mounts and disengaged the motor.???I replaced the 2amp fused and the motor worked but, I couldn't get it to reverse direction with the reverse switch.? I then moved the mute and play switch and I could get the mechanism motor to run.???Then I moved the transfer switch and I got a spark and the fused blew. I have a 2304 manual but which doesn't include the details on how the mechanism works, just a lot of adjustments. Currently, looking at the wiring diagram.???Next step to buy a manual that describes how the mechanism works. Carl On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury < jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Carl, >? First thing to check is that the motor runs when the gear is disengaged. > Remove 2 of the mounting Allen screws and swivel the motor away from the > main mech gear so that it can run with no load. Now see if it blows the > fuse. Even if the fuse still blows it may not be the motor at fault. The > motors on these mechs do not have a permanent magnet in them, they > therefore > use an electromagnet - also known as a "field coil". This means there are 4 > wires going to the motor, 2 of them are for the field coil and 2 are for > the > armature. The reversing switch changes the polarity on one of these pairs > of > wires (can't remember which off hand) and if not correctly adjusted can > short and cause the fuse to blow. Check the switch adjustments as shown in > the manual. If the switch is properly adjusted then you are probably > looking > at a bad motor - disconnect either the field coil or armature and try again > to see which one is bad, it's unlikely that both are shorted. > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > > > Steve, > > I don't believe it is a violation of copy right rules if you share it with > one person at a time or in a none systematic way. > > So yes, I would love to see what you have on the mechanism.???Also, > anything > that talks about the mechanism motor.???I believe I may have an electrical > problem.? It blows a fuse any time the mechanism motor is engaged. > > Thanks, > > Carl Sullivan > Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: > > > > > > Carl: > > > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you > > > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation > > > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings.? This > > > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time > > > through the 50's-60's. > > > > I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 > > manual?? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)?? I thought I looked for > > something like that and found it sadly missing. > > > > If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get > > anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the > > web as a pdf? > > > > --> Steve > > > > -- > > Steve Wahl? ? steve@pro-ns.net > > > >? If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's > > stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep > > me away from it! > >???-- eldavojohn on Slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.20/2013 - Release Date: 03/18/09 > 07:17:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sat Mar 21 14:13:25 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sat Mar 21 14:15:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck References: <20090319.144209.16350.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com><20090319192316.GS27083@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: Hi Carl, OK, you're making progress... Now you know that the motor is probably good and that there is a problem with the transfer switch. As Ron has mentioned, you need to look at that switch in detail. You will find the adjustment details for it in the manual, check the contact gaps carefully. Since this switch is used to reverse the polarity of the DC supply to the motor, it's very important that the contacts "break before make". This means that during switching the moving contacts must pass through a stage where they are not touching either of the fixed contacts. If they do not then they will apply a direct short across the supply and blow the fuse. Your spark and fuse blowing indicates that either this is happening, or part of the switch is broken giving a similar effect. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck I loosen the motor mounts and disengaged the motor. I replaced the 2amp fused and the motor worked but, I couldn't get it to reverse direction with the reverse switch. I then moved the mute and play switch and I could get the mechanism motor to run. Then I moved the transfer switch and I got a spark and the fused blew. I have a 2304 manual but which doesn't include the details on how the mechanism works, just a lot of adjustments. Currently, looking at the wiring diagram. Next step to buy a manual that describes how the mechanism works. Carl On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury < jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Carl, > First thing to check is that the motor runs when the gear is disengaged. > Remove 2 of the mounting Allen screws and swivel the motor away from the > main mech gear so that it can run with no load. Now see if it blows the > fuse. Even if the fuse still blows it may not be the motor at fault. The > motors on these mechs do not have a permanent magnet in them, they > therefore > use an electromagnet - also known as a "field coil". This means there are > 4 > wires going to the motor, 2 of them are for the field coil and 2 are for > the > armature. The reversing switch changes the polarity on one of these pairs > of > wires (can't remember which off hand) and if not correctly adjusted can > short and cause the fuse to blow. Check the switch adjustments as shown in > the manual. If the switch is properly adjusted then you are probably > looking > at a bad motor - disconnect either the field coil or armature and try > again > to see which one is bad, it's unlikely that both are shorted. > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > > > Steve, > > I don't believe it is a violation of copy right rules if you share it with > one person at a time or in a none systematic way. > > So yes, I would love to see what you have on the mechanism. Also, > anything > that talks about the mechanism motor. I believe I may have an electrical > problem. It blows a fuse any time the mechanism motor is engaged. > > Thanks, > > Carl Sullivan > Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: > > > > > > Carl: > > > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you > > > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation > > > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings. This > > > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time > > > through the 50's-60's. > > > > I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 > > manual? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)? I thought I looked for > > something like that and found it sadly missing. > > > > If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get > > anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the > > web as a pdf? > > > > --> Steve > > > > -- > > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > > > If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's > > stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep > > me away from it! > > -- eldavojohn on Slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.20/2013 - Release Date: 03/18/09 > 07:17:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.21/2014 - Release Date: 03/20/09 06:59:00 From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 14:27:33 2009 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Sat Mar 21 14:29:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: References: <20090319.144209.16350.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> <20090319192316.GS27083@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: Ron and Adrian, Thanks for the advice. I have been looking at the switches but, was focused on the end state. All closed or all open.. I didn't even think about the transfer positions. I will take a look right now. Thanks, Carl On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury < jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Carl, > OK, you're making progress... Now you know that the motor is probably good > and that there is a problem with the transfer switch. As Ron has mentioned, > you need to look at that switch in detail. You will find the adjustment > details for it in the manual, check the contact gaps carefully. Since this > switch is used to reverse the polarity of the DC supply to the motor, it's > very important that the contacts "break before make". This means that > during > switching the moving contacts must pass through a stage where they are not > touching either of the fixed contacts. If they do not then they will apply > a > direct short across the supply and blow the fuse. Your spark and fuse > blowing indicates that either this is happening, or part of the switch is > broken giving a similar effect. > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > > > I loosen the motor mounts and disengaged the motor. I replaced the 2amp > fused and the motor worked but, I couldn't get it to reverse direction with > the reverse switch. I then moved the mute and play switch and I could get > the mechanism motor to run. Then I moved the transfer switch and I got a > spark and the fused blew. > > I have a 2304 manual but which doesn't include the details on how the > mechanism works, just a lot of adjustments. > > Currently, looking at the wiring diagram. Next step to buy a manual that > describes how the mechanism works. > > Carl > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury < > jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi Carl, > > First thing to check is that the motor runs when the gear is disengaged. > > Remove 2 of the mounting Allen screws and swivel the motor away from the > > main mech gear so that it can run with no load. Now see if it blows the > > fuse. Even if the fuse still blows it may not be the motor at fault. The > > motors on these mechs do not have a permanent magnet in them, they > > therefore > > use an electromagnet - also known as a "field coil". This means there are > > 4 > > wires going to the motor, 2 of them are for the field coil and 2 are for > > the > > armature. The reversing switch changes the polarity on one of these pairs > > of > > wires (can't remember which off hand) and if not correctly adjusted can > > short and cause the fuse to blow. Check the switch adjustments as shown > in > > the manual. If the switch is properly adjusted then you are probably > > looking > > at a bad motor - disconnect either the field coil or armature and try > > again > > to see which one is bad, it's unlikely that both are shorted. > > > > Adrian. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > > > > > > Steve, > > > > I don't believe it is a violation of copy right rules if you share it > with > > one person at a time or in a none systematic way. > > > > So yes, I would love to see what you have on the mechanism. Also, > > anything > > that talks about the mechanism motor. I believe I may have an > electrical > > problem. It blows a fuse any time the mechanism motor is engaged. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Carl Sullivan > > Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com > > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: > > > > > > > > Carl: > > > > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you > > > > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation > > > > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings. This > > > > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time > > > > through the 50's-60's. > > > > > > I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 > > > manual? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)? I thought I looked for > > > something like that and found it sadly missing. > > > > > > If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get > > > anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the > > > web as a pdf? > > > > > > --> Steve > > > > > > -- > > > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > > > > > If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's > > > stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep > > > me away from it! > > > -- eldavojohn on Slashdot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.20/2013 - Release Date: > 03/18/09 > > 07:17:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.21/2014 - Release Date: 03/20/09 > 06:59:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Mar 21 14:53:44 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Mar 21 14:55:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... Message-ID: I learned today that Jackie (etreble7) lost her father yesterday, his passing was sudden and unexpected. He had just gone in the hospital..... Anyway, just send her your best wishes, support and prayers as she is dealing with this great loss.... Mel From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 21 15:31:34 2009 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Sat Mar 21 15:33:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi jackie, just read about your loss. I send God's love to you and your family. Rick. > From: jukeboxmel@verizon.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:53:44 -0400 > Subject: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... > > I learned today that Jackie (etreble7) lost her father yesterday, his passing was sudden and unexpected. > He had just gone in the hospital..... Anyway, just send her your best wishes, support and prayers > as she is dealing with this great loss.... Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 16:57:45 2009 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Sat Mar 21 16:59:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: References: <20090319.144209.16350.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> <20090319192316.GS27083@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: Update... Found the problem with the contacts on the transfer switch. Fixed, and the fuse held. The motor worked and moved the mechanism. It took it to the at rest position. Finally some success. Next issue... the reverse switch. The motor move the mechanism but, it did not move the record carousel. I made a selection and it released a pin and initiated the wobble plate but, no movement on the selector crank. Thanks to everyone's patience and input. Much appreciated by novice. Carl On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Carl & Lynne Sullivan < carl.lynne.sullivan@gmail.com> wrote: > Ron and Adrian, > > Thanks for the advice. I have been looking at the switches but, was > focused on the end state. All closed or all open.. I didn't even think > about the transfer positions. I will take a look right now. > > Thanks, > > Carl > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury < > jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >> Hi Carl, >> OK, you're making progress... Now you know that the motor is probably good >> and that there is a problem with the transfer switch. As Ron has >> mentioned, >> you need to look at that switch in detail. You will find the adjustment >> details for it in the manual, check the contact gaps carefully. Since >> this >> switch is used to reverse the polarity of the DC supply to the motor, it's >> very important that the contacts "break before make". This means that >> during >> switching the moving contacts must pass through a stage where they are not >> touching either of the fixed contacts. If they do not then they will apply >> a >> direct short across the supply and blow the fuse. Your spark and fuse >> blowing indicates that either this is happening, or part of the switch is >> broken giving a similar effect. >> >> Adrian. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck >> >> >> I loosen the motor mounts and disengaged the motor. I replaced the 2amp >> fused and the motor worked but, I couldn't get it to reverse direction >> with >> the reverse switch. I then moved the mute and play switch and I could get >> the mechanism motor to run. Then I moved the transfer switch and I got a >> spark and the fused blew. >> >> I have a 2304 manual but which doesn't include the details on how the >> mechanism works, just a lot of adjustments. >> >> Currently, looking at the wiring diagram. Next step to buy a manual that >> describes how the mechanism works. >> >> Carl >> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury < >> jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> >> > Hi Carl, >> > First thing to check is that the motor runs when the gear is >> disengaged. >> > Remove 2 of the mounting Allen screws and swivel the motor away from the >> > main mech gear so that it can run with no load. Now see if it blows the >> > fuse. Even if the fuse still blows it may not be the motor at fault. The >> > motors on these mechs do not have a permanent magnet in them, they >> > therefore >> > use an electromagnet - also known as a "field coil". This means there >> are >> > 4 >> > wires going to the motor, 2 of them are for the field coil and 2 are for >> > the >> > armature. The reversing switch changes the polarity on one of these >> pairs >> > of >> > wires (can't remember which off hand) and if not correctly adjusted can >> > short and cause the fuse to blow. Check the switch adjustments as shown >> in >> > the manual. If the switch is properly adjusted then you are probably >> > looking >> > at a bad motor - disconnect either the field coil or armature and try >> > again >> > to see which one is bad, it's unlikely that both are shorted. >> > >> > Adrian. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" >> > To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:15 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck >> > >> > >> > Steve, >> > >> > I don't believe it is a violation of copy right rules if you share it >> with >> > one person at a time or in a none systematic way. >> > >> > So yes, I would love to see what you have on the mechanism. Also, >> > anything >> > that talks about the mechanism motor. I believe I may have an >> electrical >> > problem. It blows a fuse any time the mechanism motor is engaged. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Carl Sullivan >> > Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: >> > >> > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Carl: >> > > > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you >> > > > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation >> > > > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings. This >> > > > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time >> > > > through the 50's-60's. >> > > >> > > I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 >> > > manual? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)? I thought I looked for >> > > something like that and found it sadly missing. >> > > >> > > If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get >> > > anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the >> > > web as a pdf? >> > > >> > > --> Steve >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net >> > > >> > > If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's >> > > stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep >> > > me away from it! >> > > -- eldavojohn on Slashdot >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.20/2013 - Release Date: >> 03/18/09 >> > 07:17:00 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.21/2014 - Release Date: 03/20/09 >> 06:59:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > From Jjmscf at aol.com Sat Mar 21 17:23:55 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 21 17:30:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... Message-ID: Hi Jackie, So sorry to hear about your father.My prayers are with you and your family. J.C. In a message dated 3/21/2009 5:55:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jukeboxmel@verizon.net writes: I learned today that Jackie (etreble7) lost her father yesterday, his passing was sudden and unexpected. He had just gone in the hospital..... Anyway, just send her your best wishes, support and prayers as she is dealing with this great loss.... Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From gibson510 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 21 17:50:57 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Sat Mar 21 17:52:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] happy 1015 owner Message-ID: Hi Group, I wanted to share my excitement with you all, and announce that as of this morning I am the owner of a genuine Wurly 1015. Complete machine, nothing missing, but will need total restoration. It is even full of records one of my favorites too by the platters "The Great Pretender" The previous owner apparently didn't understand wattage ratings on bulbs as the plastics look like they were in a fire. The cabinet is good and solid and it has a beautiful quilting on the front door. I'll take some pictures tomorrow and post them up in case anyone want to take a look see. Regards, Rick _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme From donshawnmyself at aol.com Sat Mar 21 17:56:50 2009 From: donshawnmyself at aol.com (donshawnmyself@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 21 18:04:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] happy 1015 owner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB78A037CF965C-D08-37BD@WEBMAIL-MY04.sysops.aol.com> I am also looking for a restorable 1015. I have a very nice 1100W and it is lonely. Congrats! -----Original Message----- From: rick murray To: jukebox list Sent: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 7:50 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] happy 1015 owner i Group, I wanted to share my excitement with you all, and announce that as of his morning I am the owner of a genuine Wurly 1015. Complete machine, nothing issing, but will need total restoration. It is even full of records one of my avorites too by the platters "The Great Pretender" The previous owner pparently didn't understand wattage ratings on bulbs as the plastics look like hey were in a fire. The cabinet is good and solid and it has a beautiful uilting on the front door. I'll take some pictures tomorrow and post them up in ase anyone want to take a look see. Regards, Rick _________________________________________________________________ xpress your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. ttp://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme_______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Mar 21 18:45:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Mar 21 18:47:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck Message-ID: <111192.47919.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Question--as I'm confused--if the "mechanism" is moving, what are you referring to when you say "rest position" ?? Do you mean that both record lift arms moved down to the stop position ? If that's the case but the record basket, and crank arms are not operating, check that the record loading switch is in the play position. If it is, check that both the transfer and mute switches are in the correct position, and (with the power OFF), be sure all the NC contacts are making well (use a meter). ---Ron Rich --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote: From: Carl & Lynne Sullivan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 4:57 PM Update... Found the problem with the contacts on the transfer switch.???Fixed, and the fuse held.? The motor worked and moved the mechanism.? It took it to the at rest position.???Finally some success. Next issue... the reverse switch.? The motor move the mechanism but, it did not move the record carousel.???I made a selection and it released a pin and initiated the wobble plate but, no movement on the selector crank. Thanks to everyone's patience and input.? ? Much appreciated by novice. Carl On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Carl & Lynne Sullivan < carl.lynne.sullivan@gmail.com> wrote: > Ron and Adrian, > > Thanks for the advice.???I have been looking at the switches but, was > focused on the end state.? All closed or all open..? I didn't even think > about the transfer positions.? ? I will take a look right now. > > Thanks, > > Carl > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury < > jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >> Hi Carl, >> OK, you're making progress... Now you know that the motor is probably good >> and that there is a problem with the transfer switch. As Ron has >> mentioned, >> you need to look at that switch in detail. You will find the adjustment >> details for it in the manual, check the contact gaps carefully.? Since >> this >> switch is used to reverse the polarity of the DC supply to the motor, it's >> very important that the contacts "break before make". This means that >> during >> switching the moving contacts must pass through a stage where they are not >> touching either of the fixed contacts. If they do not then they will apply >> a >> direct short across the supply and blow the fuse. Your spark and fuse >> blowing indicates that either this is happening, or part of the switch is >> broken giving a similar effect. >> >> Adrian. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck >> >> >> I loosen the motor mounts and disengaged the motor.???I replaced the 2amp >> fused and the motor worked but, I couldn't get it to reverse direction >> with >> the reverse switch.? I then moved the mute and play switch and I could get >> the mechanism motor to run.???Then I moved the transfer switch and I got a >> spark and the fused blew. >> >> I have a 2304 manual but which doesn't include the details on how the >> mechanism works, just a lot of adjustments. >> >> Currently, looking at the wiring diagram.???Next step to buy a manual that >> describes how the mechanism works. >> >> Carl >> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury < >> jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> >> > Hi Carl, >> >? First thing to check is that the motor runs when the gear is >> disengaged. >> > Remove 2 of the mounting Allen screws and swivel the motor away from the >> > main mech gear so that it can run with no load. Now see if it blows the >> > fuse. Even if the fuse still blows it may not be the motor at fault. The >> > motors on these mechs do not have a permanent magnet in them, they >> > therefore >> > use an electromagnet - also known as a "field coil". This means there >> are >> > 4 >> > wires going to the motor, 2 of them are for the field coil and 2 are for >> > the >> > armature. The reversing switch changes the polarity on one of these >> pairs >> > of >> > wires (can't remember which off hand) and if not correctly adjusted can >> > short and cause the fuse to blow. Check the switch adjustments as shown >> in >> > the manual. If the switch is properly adjusted then you are probably >> > looking >> > at a bad motor - disconnect either the field coil or armature and try >> > again >> > to see which one is bad, it's unlikely that both are shorted. >> > >> > Adrian. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" >> > To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:15 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck >> > >> > >> > Steve, >> > >> > I don't believe it is a violation of copy right rules if you share it >> with >> > one person at a time or in a none systematic way. >> > >> > So yes, I would love to see what you have on the mechanism.???Also, >> > anything >> > that talks about the mechanism motor.???I believe I may have an >> electrical >> > problem.? It blows a fuse any time the mechanism motor is engaged. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Carl Sullivan >> > Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: >> > >> > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Carl: >> > > > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you >> > > > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of operation >> > > > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings.? This >> > > > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time >> > > > through the 50's-60's. >> > > >> > > I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a 2400 >> > > manual?? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)?? I thought I looked for >> > > something like that and found it sadly missing. >> > > >> > > If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get >> > > anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on the >> > > web as a pdf? >> > > >> > > --> Steve >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Steve Wahl? ? steve@pro-ns.net >> > > >> > >? If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's >> > > stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep >> > > me away from it! >> > >???-- eldavojohn on Slashdot >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.20/2013 - Release Date: >> 03/18/09 >> > 07:17:00 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.21/2014 - Release Date: 03/20/09 >> 06:59:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 19:04:41 2009 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Sat Mar 21 19:06:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 - Now Unstuck and Fused fixed Message-ID: Ron, Sorry I wasn't clear. i will try again. Once I found the bad contact and turned it on the motor moved the mechanism. It appeared to go through part of the cycle and returned to its normal start position which I was referring to the "at rest" position. This is with both arms down. Isn't this the position it stops at while waiting for a selection to be made?? I made a selection and the selector did release one of the pins. I also heard the wobble plate move. But, the selector drum arm didn't move. Nor did the record carousel. It appears the motor is moving the main cam and arms but, not the selector drum arm or record carousel. Carl From JHayes2613 at aol.com Sat Mar 21 19:51:35 2009 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Sat Mar 21 19:59:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01976AA7-EE47-4B9D-8D6F-66E0BD86D07F@aol.com> Hang in there, Jackie. Thoughts and prayers from Kansas City. On Mar 21, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Mel Knight wrote: > I learned today that Jackie (etreble7) lost her father yesterday, > his passing was sudden and unexpected. > He had just gone in the hospital..... Anyway, just send her your > best wishes, support and prayers > as she is dealing with this great loss.... Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Mar 21 22:39:19 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Mar 21 22:49:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... In-Reply-To: <01976AA7-EE47-4B9D-8D6F-66E0BD86D07F@aol.com> References: <01976AA7-EE47-4B9D-8D6F-66E0BD86D07F@aol.com> Message-ID: <005201c9aab0$8ca269f0$a5e73dd0$@net> Hey John... You ever get that sweet little AMI box up and running you picked up a couple of months ago? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Hayes Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:52 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... Hang in there, Jackie. Thoughts and prayers from Kansas City. On Mar 21, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Mel Knight wrote: > I learned today that Jackie (etreble7) lost her father yesterday, > his passing was sudden and unexpected. > He had just gone in the hospital..... Anyway, just send her your > best wishes, support and prayers > as she is dealing with this great loss.... Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2008 - Release Date: 03/21/09 17:58:00 From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 04:54:46 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sun Mar 22 04:56:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... Message-ID: <741185.67281.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jackie and Family, Anna and I are so sorry for your loss. We are thinking of you. God Bless! David and Anna Wendell --- On Sat, 3/21/09, John Hayes wrote: > From: John Hayes > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 8:51 PM > Hang in there, Jackie. Thoughts and > prayers from Kansas City. > > > On Mar 21, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Mel Knight wrote: > > > I learned today that Jackie (etreble7) lost her father > yesterday, his passing was sudden and unexpected. > > He had just gone in the hospital..... Anyway, just > send her your best wishes, support and prayers > > as she is dealing with this great loss....? Mel > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 05:00:01 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sun Mar 22 05:01:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] happy 1015 owner Message-ID: <245367.55089.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rick, That is a great find. There are lots of gret jukeboxes in the world but the 1015 is my favorite. It is pure "jukebox". We are looking forward to your pictures! David (in the Geritol Ghetto) --- On Sat, 3/21/09, rick murray wrote: > From: rick murray > Subject: [Jukebox-list] happy 1015 owner > To: "jukebox list" > Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 6:50 PM > > Hi Group, I wanted to share my excitement with you all, and > announce that as of this morning I am the owner of a genuine > Wurly 1015. Complete machine, nothing missing, but will need > total restoration. It is even full of records one of my > favorites too by the platters "The Great Pretender"? > The previous owner apparently didn't understand wattage > ratings on bulbs as the plastics look like they were in a > fire. The cabinet is good and solid and it has a beautiful > quilting on the front door. I'll take some pictures tomorrow > and post them up in case anyone want to take a look see. > > Regards, > > Rick > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express your personality in color! Preview and select > themes for Hotmail?. > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 05:48:38 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sun Mar 22 05:51:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... In-Reply-To: <01976AA7-EE47-4B9D-8D6F-66E0BD86D07F@aol.com> References: <01976AA7-EE47-4B9D-8D6F-66E0BD86D07F@aol.com> Message-ID: <005301c9aaec$8661a600$9324f200$@net> Jackie, My thoughts and prayers are with you and your during this difficult time. God Bless you. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Hayes Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:52 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... Hang in there, Jackie. Thoughts and prayers from Kansas City. On Mar 21, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Mel Knight wrote: > I learned today that Jackie (etreble7) lost her father yesterday, > his passing was sudden and unexpected. > He had just gone in the hospital..... Anyway, just send her your > best wishes, support and prayers > as she is dealing with this great loss.... Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2008 - Release Date: 03/21/09 17:58:00 From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 05:50:43 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sun Mar 22 05:53:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... In-Reply-To: <005201c9aab0$8ca269f0$a5e73dd0$@net> References: <01976AA7-EE47-4B9D-8D6F-66E0BD86D07F@aol.com> <005201c9aab0$8ca269f0$a5e73dd0$@net> Message-ID: <005401c9aaec$d09354d0$71b9fe70$@net> My apologies to the group. I thought I started a new thread. I did not mean to break the sentiments of this thread..... Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:39 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... Hey John... You ever get that sweet little AMI box up and running you picked up a couple of months ago? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Hayes Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:52 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... Hang in there, Jackie. Thoughts and prayers from Kansas City. On Mar 21, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Mel Knight wrote: > I learned today that Jackie (etreble7) lost her father yesterday, > his passing was sudden and unexpected. > He had just gone in the hospital..... Anyway, just send her your > best wishes, support and prayers > as she is dealing with this great loss.... Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2008 - Release Date: 03/21/09 17:58:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2008 - Release Date: 03/21/09 17:58:00 From JHayes2613 at aol.com Sun Mar 22 06:14:12 2009 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Sun Mar 22 06:22:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... In-Reply-To: <005201c9aab0$8ca269f0$a5e73dd0$@net> References: <01976AA7-EE47-4B9D-8D6F-66E0BD86D07F@aol.com> <005201c9aab0$8ca269f0$a5e73dd0$@net> Message-ID: <01D73921-508A-48AA-8D0A-EF12FB5973C4@aol.com> Hi, Rich- Haven't even plugged the damn thing in yet. What am I waiting for? I dunno. I haven't even installed my replacement R-83 TT motor or tried out my Rockola Rhapsody rebuilt amp yet. Call me lazy; call me distracted... -j On Mar 22, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Hey John... > > You ever get that sweet little AMI box up and running you picked up > a couple > of months ago? > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John > Hayes > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:52 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great > loss..... > > Hang in there, Jackie. Thoughts and prayers from Kansas City. > > > On Mar 21, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Mel Knight wrote: > >> I learned today that Jackie (etreble7) lost her father yesterday, >> his passing was sudden and unexpected. >> He had just gone in the hospital..... Anyway, just send her your >> best wishes, support and prayers >> as she is dealing with this great loss.... Mel >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2008 - Release Date: > 03/21/09 > 17:58:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 08:55:05 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Mar 22 08:56:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] happy 1015 owner Message-ID: <349136.67392.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'd love to have a Simplex-mechanism Wurlitzer, but in these parts (Puget Sound area) you never see them except professionally restored for a lot of money. They seem to be popular "dentist's rec room" machines. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 23 01:56:51 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Mon Mar 23 01:58:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Slide Switches In-Reply-To: <1049735411.23849201237644961801.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <33917.83681.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi David, what a good job on the restoration. Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt your Jukebox a 1426 not a 1422? If I remember correctly, the 1422 has a different grill with a wooden panel in the middle. Gary --- On Sat, 21/3/09, Britt Abbott wrote: > From: Britt Abbott > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Slide Switches > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, 21 March, 2009, 2:16 PM > David....BRAVO ! Another Rockola brought back to it's > former Glory! A beautiful restoration job! Gives me hope and > inspiration for the three Mills Throne o Music jukes sitting > in my garage! Oh, plus the 4th one I'm picking up in FL > next week. David, rather than spending what sounds like a > lot of time and effort on the button slide switches, you > might keep an eye on Ebay for a spare keyboard as I see them > come up occasionally! > Britt > Chesapeake, VA > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > > Thanks for posting those photos David. That's > quite a transformation! > > Nice mod with the switches. > > Jeremy Agema > > On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 06:09:44 -0700 (PDT), david wendell > wrote > > Hi Everyone, > > > > The 1422 Keyboard dissection, cleaning and > re-adjustment of slide switches contacts did not turn out so > well.? There was significant damage probably by someone > trying to bend the contacts from the outside while the > assembly was still installed.? Even when adjusted the > little contacts did not seem to have a willingness to hold > tension, sort of like a loss of temper.? I did learn that I > could test the keyboard by carefully securing it together > instead of bending the steel tabs.? Therefore I did not > break any of them due to metal fatigue. > > > > Every time I buy a Mexican jukebox I swear I will > never buy another but I always do. > > > > I decided to wait for a decent slide switch assembly > to turn up and > [UTF-8?]> ?Mickey Mouse?? (forgive me Mickey) a > temporary fix, I hope.? > I > > added an additional aluminum strip to hold 20 > miniature pushbuttons. ? It is adjustable so the pressing > of the selector buttons positively close the switches but > not allow a strong guy to really hammer the switches.? I > also added a rubber nipple to each pushbutton to help reduce > damage to the pushbuttons. > > > > I suppose as long as no one holds the buttons down it > might be OK. > [UTF-8?]>? Let?s see how the buttons handle the > amperage. I think I will > use > > the available 6 volts that was for wallboxes (if I > remember > [UTF-8?]> correctly, anyway it is there) to light the > ?Thank You? Light > > with a 6V bulb.? I am sure this machine will never > have coin gear so the pushbuttons seemed an easy fix.?? > What did I do wrong? > > > > Here are some pictures.? I have to have a great big > shot of Geritol after all of this! > > > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-022S.JPG > ? > > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-780S.JPG > ? > > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-781S.JPG > ? > > > David (in the Geritol Ghetto) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ? > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > ? > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ? > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > ? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From maddleso at gmu.edu Mon Mar 23 05:08:59 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Mon Mar 23 05:10:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: happy 1015 owner In-Reply-To: <20090322190003.46F43AA988@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090322190003.46F43AA988@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <36C3210362F9408B8444DD081085C3EC@MarkVaio> Rick Glad you shared the excitement of bringing a new jukebox comes home. For excitement, you probably can't do better than a 1015. May it bring you hours of pleasure: both rebuilding and listening/looking. You'll share photos, I hope. Mark From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 05:32:06 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Mon Mar 23 05:33:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1422 Slide Switches Message-ID: <788289.16852.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gary, You are correct! Actually it is a true "misfit" The grill is 1426, the Cabinet 1422, color cylinders will be cut down 1428 center cylinders (shipping error)keyboard buttons are 1426 etc. Missing all coin gear, of course. I should have sold it for parts. If they come from Mexico sometimes it is really difficult to restore them but in all honesty I have also seen some decent machines as well. We bought a W-750-E about 30 years ago in Louisiana. It was a refugee just back from Mexico and it still had all original plastics. Part of the cabinet had been chewed off by something. The cabinet was red, purple and yellow. Thank goodness it was not termites but maybe a dog that ate part the cabinet. The rubber bushings the motor sit in had disintegrated but those industrious people had sewn the pieces together and it did not look too bad. Several of the mechanism rollers were worn completely through. I had to have a lot of smart people help on that one. We still use that machine regularly. David - Geritol Ghetto From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Mon Mar 23 06:32:25 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Mon Mar 23 06:34:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Slide Switches References: <1049735411.23849201237644961801.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <9CD131AED23E4E82A3A0BB5B054A1BBE@PAW> Britt I've got a couple of Mills for you if need another one. When are you going to Fl? You need to drop by here on your way down or up. Just a small detour off your path to Fla. Give me a call for details. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND From roywdean at cox.net Mon Mar 23 06:37:58 2009 From: roywdean at cox.net (Roy Dean) Date: Mon Mar 23 06:39:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A list member has suffered a great loss..... References: Message-ID: Jackie: My thoughts and prayers are with you. I know exactly how you feel as I lost Wes along with My mother Annie Mae within the last two years. My prayers to you Roy Dean The Jukebox Junkyard From roywdean at cox.net Mon Mar 23 06:28:13 2009 From: roywdean at cox.net (Roy Dean) Date: Mon Mar 23 06:57:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Slide Switches References: <270313.45549.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95DBDF536EF648FF88428ACC3ED7DEB7@PAW> David (in the Geritol Ghetto) Very well done my compiments to you and your success on the 1422 nice job on the switch retrofit. Looks like something WES would have done "not original but beter than and also very dependable" Just a note for those that Originality is where it's at. If the original was so good and dependable for any technical device then there would never have ben any technical advances in anything. My hats off to you Dave. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Mar 23 09:47:56 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Mar 23 09:51:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] happy 1015 owner Message-ID: <20090323.124756.6776.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Congratulations with your new acquisition!. As you are probably aware the W 1015 is one of the industry's most celebrated, colorful and collectable jukebox designs. If you're going to replace the front door plastics with aftermarket new reproductions, these are now available in both the original color scheme or an alternate scheme that's a little more eye-popping. Check with supplier Victory Glass (www.victoryglass.com) for details. You'll notice that there are different part numbers for the original 1015 reproduction plastics replacements and for the current German-made W1015 "one more time" replacement plastics. The Deutsche-Wurlitzer plastics are differently dimensioned and won't exactly fit the original 1015 doorframe. Good luck with your project. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bpAe5TockwsFsztyfd7esqVAx0Kb9ETT15OhYtvKDiyEZjPYxq/ From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 23 09:59:55 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Mon Mar 23 10:01:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1422 Slide Switches In-Reply-To: <788289.16852.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <888099.13535.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Ah David....the dreaded termites. I remember rather stupidly buying a W2204 many years ago which at one point had been on location in Jamaica until the early 70s I believe. I spent many a sleepless nights worrying if any of the the creatures were still alive. I Hoovered the whole house several times over. Boy can they demolish a cabinet. I finally guessed the weather here in Scotland was too cold for them to have survived. I have since sold the house and it is still standing. This was a case of diminishing returns on this machine. The cost for parts etc would have been better put towards a nicer machine. Certainly learned a lesson with that one. Gary --- On Mon, 23/3/09, david wendell wrote: > From: david wendell > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1422 Slide Switches > To: "jukebox list" > Date: Monday, 23 March, 2009, 12:32 PM > Gary, > > You are correct! Actually it is a true "misfit" > The grill is 1426, the Cabinet 1422, color cylinders will be > cut down 1428 center cylinders (shipping error)keyboard > buttons are 1426 etc. Missing all coin gear, of course. I > should have sold it for parts. > > If they come from Mexico sometimes it is really difficult > to restore them but in all honesty I have also seen some > decent machines as well. We bought a W-750-E about 30 years > ago in Louisiana. It was a refugee just back from Mexico > and it still had all original plastics. Part of the cabinet > had been chewed off by something. The cabinet was red, > purple and yellow. Thank goodness it was not termites but > maybe a dog that ate part the cabinet. The rubber bushings > the motor sit in had disintegrated but those industrious > people had sewn the pieces together and it did not look too > bad. Several of the mechanism rollers were worn completely > through. I had to have a lot of smart people help on that > one. We still use that machine regularly. > > David - Geritol Ghetto > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Mar 23 10:41:24 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Mar 23 10:44:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 - Now Unstuck and Fused fixed Message-ID: <20090323.134124.6137.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Carl: The mech operation you're describing sounds correct. When a selector pin is pulled, the things that could usually cause the mech. to not search are 1. the wobble-plate switch contacts not closing 2. there are microswitches in the circuit that have to normally connect in the "untripped" position (look near the crankarm that scans for pulled selector pins) or 3. there is still a broken circuit in the transfer/play switch setup. Wurlitzer used this circuit for many years, but modified the switching during the run. The earlier models used a lot of series and parallel switching to get the job done. Later jukes had simpler switch contact arrangements that would trigger plug-in "ice cube" relay contacts that handled the switching tasks. I believe your 2304 does not use the relays (sorry, I don't have this manual for reference) You will need to use an ohmmeter to trace your way through the circuit to find the broken or unmade connection. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9AtL5EoPrz7jZPI3lBF6EyfXfbldmGCqc9Pro6QmhXcUQ6y2ty/ From steve at pro-ns.net Mon Mar 23 11:21:50 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Mon Mar 23 11:23:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]Copyright-was- Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: <865790.90086.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <865790.90086.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090323182150.GY27083@pro-ns.net> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:32:41AM +1100, John Wilson wrote: > > Hi from John at the MetroCinema... > A little off the track... but regarding copyright of manuals . > > Its not only manuals etc. I wonder how many folk on this forum would > have recorded movies onto DVD or VHS ... and passed them onto > friends or family to watch. If you are guilty of this... why not > pass round workshop manuals? I say help out your fellow Jukebox > Collectors... Keep in mind: if the source of income for manual producers dries up because everyone makes their own coppies, they won't be available for purchase. The manual producers do provide value, in their original act of finding the originals to make coppies of, and in giving us a place to go where we can get a manual for most jukeboxes. I'll be one of the last to suggest that they should be deprived of the income arising from those valuable acts. And that's regardless of whether the original copyrights have expired. Without the profit motive involved, you have to trust that someone will collect and keep available such coppies. I know it seems like all the pdf's on the internet are available for free, but it's not really free; it costs money to keep a web site up for others to peruse. Things do disappear if the web advertisements don't make enough to support the site, and the site owner decides he doesn't feel like supporting it out of his own pocket. Conceivably, it could even happen to something like archive.org, in case you're thinking I'm wrong and on the net things stay around forever. There's some association of music software that's recently been advertising in Keyboard magazine (among other's I'm sure), making the case against using pirated software. Much of what makes that market unique has parallels here. One of their main points is the target market (pro and semi-pro musicians) is much smaller than the mainstream software market; so an equal number of copyright infringements would be a much greater percentage of the possible total market, and the (I admit, assumed) reduced income could very well mean the difference between profitability and a company going under. I'm guessing that jukebox enthusiasts are an even smaller market than musicians. And I guess my point would be, you are *choosing* between supporting your fellow jukebox collector, or your supplier. To me, both are valuable, but one may be more so than the other. --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net From steve at pro-ns.net Mon Mar 23 11:27:36 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Mon Mar 23 11:29:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s selections In-Reply-To: <49C485B9.3080701@west.net> References: <6727B2084AB7484D9230228DA46F6368@luluPC> <49C485B9.3080701@west.net> Message-ID: <20090323182736.GZ27083@pro-ns.net> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:14:17PM -0700, Jay Hennigan wrote: > rudymart wrote: >> Steve, sorry I did not give complete information. if I select any 4 or >> 9 letters A-K , the 3 and 8 pins pop up. if I select the 3 or 8 the 3 >> and 8 pins pop up. all other selections work correctly. thanks rudy > > The early stop plate is mechanically stuck or solenoid is firing in error. Not sure I agree with Jay, if it's true that 5's and 0's select correctly. That rotates further and in the same direction as the 4's and 9's. Something extra on the "stop early" solenoid causing it to stop far too early would do this, since different portions of the stop are mechanically hit in the different directions. Or maybe something's wrong with the connection that's supposed to make the 4/9 combination of rotate/stop happen at all, and there's no plate rotation, completely at rest. --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 24 09:23:49 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Tue Mar 24 09:25:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing In-Reply-To: <88845251E7B5463BBBBAFFC81BD2BBB9@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <981598.14566.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi folks was somebody looking for the AMI A record now playing device? Well, if anyone is interested, there is one on ebay at the moment. Here is the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370175323527 Please note, I have no connection with this item, just passing on the info. Gary --- On Tue, 17/3/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > From: Juke of Shrewsbury > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009, 8:42 PM > Hi Tom, > Sorry I took so long to reply! I have just about got this > machine back > together now - I will send a photo to your direct e-mail. > I'm wondering if I > have got the speaker grill cloth wrong, you can see the > fluorescent tubes > through it .... was that how they were?? > > Best Regards, > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Moran" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" Record > playing > > > Hi Adrian, > I also have an AMI A that I have been slowly restoring, > mine is also > missing the "record playing indicator. I have a > couple of nice photos > of the actual part you are describing that I saved to my > computer from > an ebay auction. What would be the best way to post these? > I would > also be interested in some photos of yours during/after > restoration. > > Tom. > On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > > > Can anyone familiar with the AMI A (Mother of Plastic) > tell me what > > is supposed to be behind the "Record > Playing" lens on the right hand > > side of the button bank? I'm restoring one now > and there nothing > > there, not even any evidence of anything having been > there! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Adrian. > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1971 - Release > Date: 02/25/09 > 06:40:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 10:15:16 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Mar 24 10:16:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing Message-ID: <675980.47345.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Whoooow-- It is "rare", I don't think I've seen a whole, working unit in 40 years--but is it worth 152 + dollars ? (current bid--at the moment)? Ron? Rich --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Gary Young wrote: From: Gary Young Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:23 AM Hi folks was somebody looking for the AMI A record now playing device? Well, if anyone is interested, there is one on ebay at the moment. Here is the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370175323527 Please note, I have no connection with this item, just passing on the info. Gary --- On Tue, 17/3/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > From: Juke of Shrewsbury > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009, 8:42 PM > Hi Tom, > Sorry I took so long to reply!? I have just about got this > machine back > together now - I will send a photo to your direct e-mail. > I'm wondering if I > have got the speaker grill cloth wrong, you can see the > fluorescent tubes > through it .... was that how they were?? > > Best Regards, > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Moran" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" Record > playing > > > Hi Adrian, > I also have an AMI A that I have been slowly restoring, > mine is also > missing the "record playing indicator.? I have a > couple of nice photos > of the actual part you are describing that I saved to my > computer from > an ebay auction.? What would be the best way to post these? >? I would > also be interested in some photos of yours during/after > restoration. > > Tom. > On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > > > Can anyone familiar with the AMI A (Mother of Plastic) > tell me what > > is supposed to be behind the "Record > Playing" lens on the right hand > > side of the button bank?? I'm restoring one now > and there nothing > > there, not even any evidence of anything having been > there! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Adrian. > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1971 - Release > Date: 02/25/09 > 06:40:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 11:43:49 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Mar 24 11:45:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing Message-ID: <200435.16516.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Gary Young wrote: > Hi folks was somebody looking for the AMI A record now > playing device? Well, if anyone is interested, there is one > on ebay at the moment. Holy cats! 150 bucks! Well, I'll concentrate on getting the gold curtains and mirror for mine first, I guess... From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 13:00:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Mar 24 13:02:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing Message-ID: <75176.35698.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Better make them "real" gold !!? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 3/24/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 11:43 AM --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Gary Young wrote: > Hi folks was somebody looking for the AMI A record now > playing device? Well, if anyone is interested, there is one > on ebay at the moment. Holy cats!? 150 bucks!? Well, I'll concentrate on getting the gold curtains and mirror for mine first, I guess... ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Tue Mar 24 13:42:39 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Tue Mar 24 13:44:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing References: <981598.14566.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95A59ED04696475CB66C525A47CC4431@JUKEBUS> ..That was me - Thanks for this alert Gary! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Young" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing Hi folks was somebody looking for the AMI A record now playing device? Well, if anyone is interested, there is one on ebay at the moment. Here is the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370175323527 Please note, I have no connection with this item, just passing on the info. Gary --- On Tue, 17/3/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > From: Juke of Shrewsbury > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009, 8:42 PM > Hi Tom, > Sorry I took so long to reply! I have just about got this > machine back > together now - I will send a photo to your direct e-mail. > I'm wondering if I > have got the speaker grill cloth wrong, you can see the > fluorescent tubes > through it .... was that how they were?? > > Best Regards, > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Moran" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" Record > playing > > > Hi Adrian, > I also have an AMI A that I have been slowly restoring, > mine is also > missing the "record playing indicator. I have a > couple of nice photos > of the actual part you are describing that I saved to my > computer from > an ebay auction. What would be the best way to post these? > I would > also be interested in some photos of yours during/after > restoration. > > Tom. > On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > > > Can anyone familiar with the AMI A (Mother of Plastic) > tell me what > > is supposed to be behind the "Record > Playing" lens on the right hand > > side of the button bank? I'm restoring one now > and there nothing > > there, not even any evidence of anything having been > there! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Adrian. > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1971 - Release > Date: 02/25/09 > 06:40:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.25/2019 - Release Date: 03/23/09 18:51:00 From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Tue Mar 24 13:48:15 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Tue Mar 24 13:50:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing References: <200435.16516.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi David, Mine is a customers machine, I will need to talk to him about how much the record playing feature is worth! For the curtains I managed to get some gold material from a local fabric shop. The mirror I got from A1 jukebox (Patrick Kubricky) and I'm pleased with it, a nice repro. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Gary Young wrote: > Hi folks was somebody looking for the AMI A record now > playing device? Well, if anyone is interested, there is one > on ebay at the moment. Holy cats! 150 bucks! Well, I'll concentrate on getting the gold curtains and mirror for mine first, I guess... _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.25/2019 - Release Date: 03/23/09 18:51:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 16:18:43 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Mar 24 16:20:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing Message-ID: <918989.28493.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > The mirror I got from A1 jukebox (Patrick > Kubricky) and I'm pleased with it, a nice repro. It this a plain mirror, or one with the "Only AMI gives you 40 selections!" graphic? From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 18:44:30 2009 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Tue Mar 24 18:46:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 - Now Unstuck and Fused fixed In-Reply-To: <20090323.134124.6137.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090323.134124.6137.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Jim, Thanks for the helpful advice. I have checked the wobble plate and it appears to make a good connections but, I need to check the connectivity with a meter. Regarding, the micro switches are you refering to the reverse switche or something else? I am currently traveling on business but, will take a close look when I return. thanks, Carl On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 1:41 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Carl: > The mech operation you're describing sounds correct. When a selector pin > is pulled, the things that could usually cause the mech. to not search are > 1. the wobble-plate switch contacts not closing 2. > there are microswitches in the circuit that have to normally connect in the > "untripped" position (look near the crankarm that scans for pulled selector > pins) or 3. there is still a broken circuit in the transfer/play > switch setup. > Wurlitzer used this circuit for many years, but modified the switching > during the run. The earlier models used a lot of series and parallel > switching to get the job done. Later jukes had simpler switch contact > arrangements that would trigger plug-in "ice cube" relay contacts that > handled the switching tasks. I believe your 2304 does not use the relays > (sorry, I don't have this manual for reference) > You will need to use an ohmmeter to trace your way through the circuit to > find the broken or unmade connection. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9AtL5EoPrz7jZPI3lBF6EyfXfbldmGCqc9Pro6QmhXcUQ6y2ty/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Tue Mar 24 18:49:59 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Mar 24 18:51:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing In-Reply-To: <95A59ED04696475CB66C525A47CC4431@JUKEBUS> References: <981598.14566.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <95A59ED04696475CB66C525A47CC4431@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <49C98DC7.6060803@telus.net> That wheel is very similar in size to a pinball replay counter wheel. If you are only missing the wheel, perhaps you could juryrig one of them up and find a suitable chain gear to drive it... http://www.pin-games.se/parts/pinball/gottlieb/A10289_1981.jpg John :-#)# Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > ..That was me - Thanks for this alert Gary! > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Young" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing > > > > Hi folks was somebody looking for the AMI A record now playing device? Well, > if anyone is interested, there is one on ebay at the moment. Here is the > link > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370175323527 > > Please note, I have no connection with this item, just passing on the info. > > Gary > > > --- On Tue, 17/3/09, Juke of Shrewsbury > wrote: > > >> From: Juke of Shrewsbury >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009, 8:42 PM >> Hi Tom, >> Sorry I took so long to reply! I have just about got this >> machine back >> together now - I will send a photo to your direct e-mail. >> I'm wondering if I >> have got the speaker grill cloth wrong, you can see the >> fluorescent tubes >> through it .... was that how they were?? >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Adrian. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Thomas Moran" >> >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" Record >> playing >> >> >> Hi Adrian, >> I also have an AMI A that I have been slowly restoring, >> mine is also >> missing the "record playing indicator. I have a >> couple of nice photos >> of the actual part you are describing that I saved to my >> computer from >> an ebay auction. What would be the best way to post these? >> I would >> also be interested in some photos of yours during/after >> restoration. >> >> Tom. >> On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: >> >> >>> Can anyone familiar with the AMI A (Mother of Plastic) >>> >> tell me what >> >>> is supposed to be behind the "Record >>> >> Playing" lens on the right hand >> >>> side of the button bank? I'm restoring one now >>> >> and there nothing >> >>> there, not even any evidence of anything having been >>> >> there! >> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Adrian. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> >>> >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1971 - Release >> Date: 02/25/09 >> 06:40:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.25/2019 - Release Date: 03/23/09 > 18:51:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 19:31:48 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Mar 24 19:33:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing Message-ID: <413349.29420.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/24/09, John Robertson wrote: > That wheel is very similar in size to a pinball replay > counter wheel. If you are only missing the wheel, perhaps > you could juryrig one of them up and find a suitable chain > gear to drive it... John, the AMI wheel is about 8" in diameter (as best as I can get a tape measure into that cramped space). Isn't a Gottlieb credit wheel about half that diameter? From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Mar 25 00:27:09 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Mar 25 00:30:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 - Now Unstuck and Fused fixed Message-ID: <20090325.032709.10155.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> In the manual, one of the microswitches is referred to as a stop switch. There can be one or two others,depending on the particular mech design. The microswitches have a brown plastic body, with 2 or 3 wire terminals at the rear and a small "flip" lever on the other end of the switch body that actuates the switch. If you need more definitive assistance I probably need to have the manual open as I write this. I know that I have a 2400 and 1800 manuals on hand. One of those should be able to get us through your questions. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9At5w8t8x2rphKjT8LgE44kimEy86zcETPT9JFvASdvbSoBwPm/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Mar 25 08:44:24 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Mar 25 08:52:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 - Now Unstuck and Fused fixed Message-ID: <457987.42462.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/25/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 - Now Unstuck and Fused fixed To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 12:27 AM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- In the manual, one of the microswitches is referred to as a stop switch.? There can be one or two others,depending on the particular mech design.??? The microswitches have a brown plastic body, with 2 or 3 wire terminals at the rear and a small "flip" lever on the other end of the switch body that actuates the switch.? If you need more definitive assistance I probably need to have the manual open as I write this.???I know that I have a 2400 and? 1800 manuals on hand.? ? One of those should be able to get us through your questions. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9At5w8t8x2rphKjT8LgE44kimEy86zcETPT9JFvASdvbSoBwPm/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 25 08:58:39 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Wed Mar 25 09:00:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 514 amp... Message-ID: working on a wurly 1400 that came with a factory manual, but no amp schematic in it. it uses the 514 amp. would anyone be willing to scan that single page so i could staple it back into the manual? i tried vern's site. the schematics are down. thanks for any assistance... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 From jeffzurn at cox.net Wed Mar 25 09:25:52 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Wed Mar 25 09:27:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 514 amp... References: Message-ID: <000c01c9ad66$5ddd8d80$b4fa4109@ZURNT60> The Schems are still on Vern's site... the Wurly page is missing the /schem/ folder in the URL. try http://www.verntisdale.com/schem/514.jpg Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin S." To: Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 514 amp... working on a wurly 1400 that came with a factory manual, but no amp schematic in it. it uses the 514 amp. would anyone be willing to scan that single page so i could staple it back into the manual? i tried vern's site. the schematics are down. thanks for any assistance... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Wed Mar 25 12:44:27 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Wed Mar 25 12:46:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing References: <918989.28493.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <86E71F0CCA1F436C8E637977813E2AEB@JUKEBUS> ...It's got the graphic on it. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > The mirror I got from A1 jukebox (Patrick > Kubricky) and I'm pleased with it, a nice repro. It this a plain mirror, or one with the "Only AMI gives you 40 selections!" graphic? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.28/2022 - Release Date: 03/24/09 16:00:00 From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 15:39:05 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Mar 25 15:40:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More Birth of the 45 rpm record Message-ID: <3154d3690903251539u714de028x66c29cb1b2f7f0f3@mail.gmail.com> Jay posted a link a while back ------------------------------ >* I don't have the exact date of the introduction of the*>* 45 close at hand, but the M100-B came out at about the*>* same time as the 45. * March 31, 1949. http://www.history-of-rock.com/fortyfive_birth.htm The writer Norm Katuna got the date from old Billboard magazines. The website contains a number of errors, but that date seems to be correct. http://www.history-of-rock.com/technology.htm I found other websites going into more detail about the birth of the 45.George Avakian, producer at Columbia was behind the 33 rpm album in 1948, http://www.culturecatch.com/music/columbia-LP-birthday and here it is suggested that the Sarnoff and the RCA engineers introduced the 45 one year later - out of spite?! http://www.broadwayboogaloo.co.uk/boogooA52.htm I can't find any reference to the Seeburg influence on deciding the format - 7 inch vinyl, 45 rpm, large center hole - but I believe they played a big role, and that Seeburg's decision to go 45 rpm only was important. The success of the 45 wasn't granted and it took a lot of effort to guide the American consumers toward RCA players - Seeburg B's and 45 rpm vinyl. Mr Avakian turned 90 on March 15. He received a Lifetime Achievement Award at the Grammies in February. Quite a guy, the "father of the LP" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Avakian From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Mar 25 19:07:25 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Mar 25 19:08:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More Birth of the 45 rpm record Message-ID: <951755.52288.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/25/09, Jens Hultgren wrote: > and here it is suggested that the Sarnoff and the RCA > engineers introduced > the 45 one year later - out of spite?! > http://www.broadwayboogaloo.co.uk/boogooA52.htm That's a Sarnoff urban legend, just like the one that says Vladimir Zworykin did nothing to invent television except backwards-engineer Farnsworth's Image Dissector. (A whole long story in itself, but suffice to say either man would have produced a complete system without the influence of the other.) I've posted this link before, but here is the paper RCA researchers wrote about the development of the 45... http://tildebang.com/jukebox/rec_and_changer_comp_design_45.pdf It really seems like a lot more thought went into the design of the 45 than the design of the LP. A cynic could claim that all Columbia did was scale down the radio transcription disk. From rockolakid at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 26 04:43:43 2009 From: rockolakid at ntlworld.com (rockolakid) Date: Thu Mar 26 04:57:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work Message-ID: Hi all, Can any U.K list members recommend a good re-chroming service in or around the Cheshire area, or further afield if good work is done. also do they charge by weight? any help appreciated. Regards Doug. From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 26 06:01:48 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Thu Mar 26 06:03:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <557080.87257.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Doug, just did a quick search of the net and I came up with this site in Cheshire. here is the link http://www.motorcardirectory.co.uk/home/a0_N/a0_NI/i3729_Niphos_Metal_Finishing Please note, I have never used this company before and have no connection with it. Just passing on the info. I hope its of some help. With Chrome, like a lot of things, you only get what you pay for. Good chrome is expensive. A lot of jukebox metal parts/casting were made of "mazak" sometimes referred to as "monkey metal" or "pot metal" and was probably never intended to be rechromed. Some chrome platers are reluctant to touch it. Good chrome again will depend on the quality of the original parts and a skilled chrome plater. If the original part is badly pitted, you might be struggling. Good luck Gary --- On Thu, 26/3/09, rockolakid wrote: > From: rockolakid > Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 11:43 AM > Hi all, > Can any U.K list members recommend a good > re-chroming service in or around the Cheshire area, or > further afield if good work is done. also do they charge by > weight? > any help appreciated. > Regards Doug. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 09:10:53 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Mar 26 09:12:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work Message-ID: <479706.72474.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Geary, Funny, that material is sometimes called "Zay-mack" on this side of the pond ! "Pot metal" is common here, but I never heard "monkey metal"--but I like it !? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Gary Young wrote: From: Gary Young Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 6:01 AM Hi Doug, just did a quick search of the net and I came up with this site in Cheshire. here is the link http://www.motorcardirectory.co.uk/home/a0_N/a0_NI/i3729_Niphos_Metal_Finishing Please note, I have never used this company before and have no connection with it. Just passing on the info. I hope its of some help. With Chrome, like a lot of things, you only get what you pay for. Good chrome is expensive. A lot of jukebox metal parts/casting were made of "mazak" sometimes referred to as "monkey metal" or "pot metal" and was probably never intended to be rechromed. Some chrome platers are reluctant to touch it. Good chrome again will depend on the quality of the original parts and a skilled chrome plater. If the original part is badly pitted, you might be struggling. Good luck Gary --- On Thu, 26/3/09, rockolakid wrote: > From: rockolakid > Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 11:43 AM > Hi all, >? ? ? ? ? Can any U.K list members recommend a good > re-chroming service in or around the Cheshire area, or > further afield if good work is done. also do they charge by > weight? > any help appreciated. >? ? ? Regards Doug. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Thu Mar 26 09:19:45 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Mar 26 09:21:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49CBAB21.3070703@telus.net> rockolakid wrote: > Hi all, > Can any U.K list members recommend a good re-chroming service in or around the Cheshire area, or further afield if good work is done. also do they charge by weight? > any help appreciated. > Regards Doug. > _______________________________________________ > Hi Doug, Don't forget that most older jukeboxes - 1015s (1100s?) and earlier - were Nickel Plated, not chrome! As nickel is the second step in plating chrome any shop that can do chrome can do nickel. Nickel has a nice warm look to it as well. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From Homer87015 at aol.com Thu Mar 26 09:23:04 2009 From: Homer87015 at aol.com (Homer87015@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 26 09:30:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work Message-ID: Might be worth trying a search related to Classic car restoration. It`s a large and growing hobby over here in the UK. I used to dabble in it about 10 years ago, and the chromers are well used to Monkey Metal , and other horrors. Never bothered to get my car parts done tho`. Good Luck, Nige From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 09:36:51 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Mar 26 09:38:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work-SOT Message-ID: <363970.56785.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, and all, Slightly off topic--I saw a "Discovery" show on nickel last night, or the night before--1/4 of the nickel in the world comes from a "closed" city in the Russian north. City is "closed" due to the locals request (that's what was reported !), and the average life span there is only 51 years--Hard life !!!? If it comes to a TV near you, I recommend it highly. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 3/26/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 9:19 AM rockolakid wrote: > Hi all, >? ? ? ? ? Can any U.K list members recommend a good re-chroming service in or around the Cheshire area, or further afield if good work is done. also do they charge by weight? > any help appreciated. >? ? ? Regards Doug. > _______________________________________________ >??? Hi Doug, Don't forget that most older jukeboxes - 1015s (1100s?) and earlier - were Nickel Plated, not chrome! As nickel is the second step in plating chrome any shop that can do chrome can do nickel. Nickel has a nice warm look to it as well. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 09:40:39 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Mar 26 09:42:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work Message-ID: <927535.12822.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> One warning--make sure you ask, NO-PLEAD, with them not to "Grind the DETAILS off prior to plating". Also, hint: Insert "throw-away" screws into any screw holes---Ron Rich, --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Homer87015@aol.com wrote: From: Homer87015@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 9:23 AM Might be worth trying a search related to Classic car restoration. It`s a? large and growing hobby over here in the UK. I used to dabble in it about 10? years ago, and the chromers are well used to Monkey Metal , and other horrors.? Never bothered to get my car parts done tho`. Good Luck,? Nige _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Mar 26 09:43:44 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Mar 26 09:50:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work In-Reply-To: <49CBAB21.3070703@telus.net> References: <49CBAB21.3070703@telus.net> Message-ID: John, I've had many jukebox and gramophone parts replated. Yes, the 1015's and 1100's were originally nickel. The problem with nickel is that after 6 months or so, it starts to get very dull and has to be continuously polished. Polishing takes off the top layer each time, so the finish is gradually worn down again. I have nickle plated my gramophone parts, but I crome plated my W1015 and W500. I must say that I think crome looks much better on these machines than the original nickel did (and it never needs polishing...it's always bright and shiny). Perhaps it's a matter of preference. By the way, I've had very good luck with plating pot metal. I water sand the pieces first, and then the platers will buff them out more. Severe pits can be lead filled, but that adds to the cost. I suggest that when you plate, you make a list, and trace out each part on a piece of paper. Keep a copy for yourself, and give one to the plater. That way, they can make a check to ensure that all your parts are returned. Some companies can be bad for loosing small pieces, and we know how hard they are to replace. Mike P.s. "Pot metal is like hot dogs.... You never know what's in them!" -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: 2009, March, 26 12:20 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work rockolakid wrote: > Hi all, > Can any U.K list members recommend a good re-chroming service in or around the Cheshire area, or further afield if good work is done. also do they charge by weight? > any help appreciated. > Regards Doug. > _______________________________________________ > Hi Doug, Don't forget that most older jukeboxes - 1015s (1100s?) and earlier - were Nickel Plated, not chrome! As nickel is the second step in plating chrome any shop that can do chrome can do nickel. Nickel has a nice warm look to it as well. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Mar 26 10:39:22 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Mar 26 10:41:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work References: <927535.12822.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c9ae39$cc9c3d10$b4fa4109@ZURNT60> The suggestion to send your parts out for re-plating with screws (throw-away) in them is a great suggestion, Ron. Silicone plugs are typically used to protect areas (like threaded holes) from the plating material, but if your plater doesn't use them (or they fall out)... those 'holes' are potentially exposed to multiple 'baths' of copper, nickel, and chrome. All of that material added to the threaded area can certainly 'shrink' the size of the 'hole'. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work One warning--make sure you ask, NO-PLEAD, with them not to "Grind the DETAILS off prior to plating". Also, hint: Insert "throw-away" screws into any screw holes---Ron Rich, --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Homer87015@aol.com wrote: From: Homer87015@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 9:23 AM Might be worth trying a search related to Classic car restoration. It`s a large and growing hobby over here in the UK. I used to dabble in it about 10 years ago, and the chromers are well used to Monkey Metal , and other horrors. Never bothered to get my car parts done tho`. Good Luck, Nige _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Mar 26 10:43:58 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Mar 26 10:45:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work References: <49CBAB21.3070703@telus.net> Message-ID: <001301c9ae3a$70ea28a0$b4fa4109@ZURNT60> Imho, the best way to deal with 'pits' is to 'build up' multiple (thin) layers of copper under the nickel. Copper is 'soft' and can be 'buffed' into the low areas, subsequent layers then smooth out the 'pits'. In this case... 'lead' filling is probably the cheaper choice since my direction is heavy on 'buff' labor. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:43 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] chrome work John, I've had many jukebox and gramophone parts replated. Yes, the 1015's and 1100's were originally nickel. The problem with nickel is that after 6 months or so, it starts to get very dull and has to be continuously polished. Polishing takes off the top layer each time, so the finish is gradually worn down again. I have nickle plated my gramophone parts, but I crome plated my W1015 and W500. I must say that I think crome looks much better on these machines than the original nickel did (and it never needs polishing...it's always bright and shiny). Perhaps it's a matter of preference. By the way, I've had very good luck with plating pot metal. I water sand the pieces first, and then the platers will buff them out more. Severe pits can be lead filled, but that adds to the cost. I suggest that when you plate, you make a list, and trace out each part on a piece of paper. Keep a copy for yourself, and give one to the plater. That way, they can make a check to ensure that all your parts are returned. Some companies can be bad for loosing small pieces, and we know how hard they are to replace. Mike P.s. "Pot metal is like hot dogs.... You never know what's in them!" -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: 2009, March, 26 12:20 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work rockolakid wrote: > Hi all, > Can any U.K list members recommend a good re-chroming service in or around the Cheshire area, or further afield if good work is done. also do they charge by weight? > any help appreciated. > Regards Doug. > _______________________________________________ > Hi Doug, Don't forget that most older jukeboxes - 1015s (1100s?) and earlier - were Nickel Plated, not chrome! As nickel is the second step in plating chrome any shop that can do chrome can do nickel. Nickel has a nice warm look to it as well. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. 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Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Thu Mar 26 10:45:35 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Mar 26 10:47:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work In-Reply-To: <000e01c9ae39$cc9c3d10$b4fa4109@ZURNT60> References: <927535.12822.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000e01c9ae39$cc9c3d10$b4fa4109@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <49CBBF3F.4060402@telus.net> Jeff Zurn wrote: > > The suggestion to send your parts out for re-plating with screws > (throw-away) in them is a great suggestion, Ron. > Silicone plugs are typically used to protect areas (like threaded > holes) from the plating material, but if your plater doesn't use them > (or they fall out)... > those 'holes' are potentially exposed to multiple 'baths' of copper, > nickel, and chrome. > All of that material added to the threaded area can certainly 'shrink' > the size of the 'hole'. > > Jeff Yes, indeed - but provide the correct thread BOLTS when shipping metal to be chromed. Otherwise the chrome shop might use any old screw they have lying around to make the required electrical connection and bugger up the threads! This happened to us years ago... John :-#(# > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work > > > One warning--make sure you ask, NO-PLEAD, with them not to "Grind the > DETAILS off prior to plating". Also, hint: Insert "throw-away" screws > into any screw holes---Ron Rich, > > --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Homer87015@aol.com wrote: > > From: Homer87015@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 9:23 AM > > Might be worth trying a search related to Classic car restoration. It`s a > large and growing hobby over here in the UK. I used to dabble in it > about 10 > years ago, and the chromers are well used to Monkey Metal , and other > horrors. > Never bothered to get my car parts done tho`. Good Luck, Nige -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From rockolakid at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 26 11:02:43 2009 From: rockolakid at ntlworld.com (rockolakid) Date: Thu Mar 26 11:03:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work References: <557080.87257.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82409B629ACB4E31AB1082BF79FEA19C@bossyboots> Hi Gary, Thank You for that, also Ron thanks for the tip with the screws. And Thank you to all others for your comments. Regards Doug. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Young" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work Hi Doug, just did a quick search of the net and I came up with this site in Cheshire. here is the link http://www.motorcardirectory.co.uk/home/a0_N/a0_NI/i3729_Niphos_Metal_Finishing Please note, I have never used this company before and have no connection with it. Just passing on the info. I hope its of some help. With Chrome, like a lot of things, you only get what you pay for. Good chrome is expensive. A lot of jukebox metal parts/casting were made of "mazak" sometimes referred to as "monkey metal" or "pot metal" and was probably never intended to be rechromed. Some chrome platers are reluctant to touch it. Good chrome again will depend on the quality of the original parts and a skilled chrome plater. If the original part is badly pitted, you might be struggling. Good luck Gary --- On Thu, 26/3/09, rockolakid wrote: > From: rockolakid > Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 11:43 AM > Hi all, > Can any U.K list members recommend a good > re-chroming service in or around the Cheshire area, or > further afield if good work is done. also do they charge by > weight? > any help appreciated. > Regards Doug. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Thu Mar 26 12:16:38 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Thu Mar 26 12:18:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work References: <927535.12822.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36BD67CDEB8F432DA9F1B4408A17699D@Graeme> I instruct my plater to remove old chrome by reversing the electrolysis this way the old chrome is removed in the reverse to the way it was applied in the first place. It is also wise to wash and remove any paint with paint stripper first. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:40 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work One warning--make sure you ask, NO-PLEAD, with them not to "Grind the DETAILS off prior to plating". Also, hint: Insert "throw-away" screws into any screw holes---Ron Rich, --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Homer87015@aol.com wrote: From: Homer87015@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 9:23 AM Might be worth trying a search related to Classic car restoration. It`s a large and growing hobby over here in the UK. I used to dabble in it about 10 years ago, and the chromers are well used to Monkey Metal , and other horrors. Never bothered to get my car parts done tho`. Good Luck, Nige _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 12:18:53 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Mar 26 12:20:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome work Message-ID: <623914.49237.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, I meant to imply that YOU should supply "the throw-away screws"---Ron Rich --- On Thu, 3/26/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 10:45 AM Jeff Zurn wrote: > > The suggestion to send your parts out for re-plating with screws (throw-away) in them is a great suggestion, Ron. > Silicone plugs are typically used to protect areas (like threaded holes) from the plating material, but if your plater doesn't use them (or they fall out)... > those 'holes' are potentially exposed to multiple 'baths' of copper, nickel, and chrome. > All of that material added to the threaded area can certainly 'shrink' the size of the 'hole'. > > Jeff Yes, indeed - but provide the correct thread BOLTS when shipping metal to be chromed. Otherwise the chrome shop might use any old screw they have lying around to make the required electrical connection and bugger up the threads! This happened to us years ago... John :-#(# > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work > > > One warning--make sure you ask, NO-PLEAD, with them not to "Grind the DETAILS off prior to plating". Also, hint: Insert "throw-away" screws into any screw holes---Ron Rich, > > --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Homer87015@aol.com wrote: > > From: Homer87015@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] chrome work > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 9:23 AM > > Might be worth trying a search related to Classic car restoration. It`s a > large and growing hobby over here in the UK. I used to dabble in it about 10 > years ago, and the chromers are well used to Monkey Metal , and other horrors. > Never bothered to get my car parts done tho`. Good Luck, Nige -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From list at brandd.com Thu Mar 26 12:44:57 2009 From: list at brandd.com (list@brandd.com) Date: Thu Mar 26 12:47:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome in SoCal Message-ID: <196363A3-6ED6-47A6-B950-0D6EE62A9B43@brandd.com> I'm looking for a "Jukebox Friendly" chrome shop in Southern California. Anyone have any recommendations? What kinda prep should I do before I send it out? (I read the recent chrome thread suggestions... throw away screws, paper tracings, etc.) ~sean check out my blog - www.wurlitzer2000.com From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 26 12:59:05 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Thu Mar 26 13:00:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: chrome work *slightly off topic* Message-ID: <599892.23781.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A little off-topic but along the thread of chrome.... I have an upright Edison Diamond Disc machine. The turntable, tone arm, "volume control knob", and other shiney bits were orignally gold anodized. At least I think that would be the term used to make the pot metal pretty. This gold coating has worn away in spots over the years. I'd like to have all that stuff re-done but haven't a clue where to begin. Anyone out there in juke-land (who also own talking machines) know anything about this sort of thing? TIA for a reply to the list or to my email address: NotarySojac@SBCGlobal.net Bob - Chicago From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Mar 26 13:11:41 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Mar 26 13:13:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: chrome work *slightly off topic* In-Reply-To: <599892.23781.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <599892.23781.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, I can give you my advice based on experience. I have a Victrola XVII, which has gold plated hardware. Like yours, it was all worn off, except for the lid support. I had my regular plating house do this too. It was more expensive than crome, but is just another service that they offer. Mine was done about 10 years ago, and at that time the cost was $400 (knobs, turntable, tonearm, volume control, speed control, escutcheon). Gold has gone up considerably though in the last couple of years. If your machine was originally gold plated, it likely did not have pot metal parts. They were either steel or brass. Check to see if a magnet sticks to the pieces, if it does, it is cheaper to plate for some reason (as per my plater). I know Edison started using pot metal for some reproducers later on, but I believe that was for the lower model Amberolas. The turntable will be the most expensive part to do. You can't just plate the visible edge... They have to dip the whole piece in the bath to do a copper base, and then add the gold on top. Stress to them you only want the edge gold plated, and that might save you some money (since you're going to cover it in felt anyway). I was concerned that the new gold would not have the right patina to it. After about a year, it matched the original gold on the other pieces of the machine. So, I suggest you find a local plater and bring the parts in for a quote. Again, trace out each piece, and keep a copy for yourself, to make sure you get every one back. It's a bit of effort, but the results will restore your Diamond Disc to it's former glory. Good luck, mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of NotarySojac Sent: 2009, March, 26 3:59 PM To: Jukebox List Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: chrome work *slightly off topic* A little off-topic but along the thread of chrome.... I have an upright Edison Diamond Disc machine. The turntable, tone arm, "volume control knob", and other shiney bits were orignally gold anodized. At least I think that would be the term used to make the pot metal pretty. This gold coating has worn away in spots over the years. I'd like to have all that stuff re-done but haven't a clue where to begin. Anyone out there in juke-land (who also own talking machines) know anything about this sort of thing? TIA for a reply to the list or to my email address: NotarySojac@SBCGlobal.net Bob - Chicago _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 13:45:09 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Mar 26 13:46:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: chrome work *slightly off topic* Message-ID: <524485.95667.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -- On Thu, 3/26/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > The turntable will be the most expensive part to do. You > can't just > plate the visible edge... They have to dip the whole piece > in the bath > to do a copper base, and then add the gold on top. My Edison model 250 Diamond Disc machine has copper under the worn areas of gold plating. Is that good enough for re-plating or does a new copper base coat need to be put on? From dvb at bowater.org.uk Thu Mar 26 13:58:12 2009 From: dvb at bowater.org.uk (david) Date: Thu Mar 26 13:59:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome Work, off topic, general plating Message-ID: <403902D9590C4622AFE054B26764E49B@Lyn> Hi Everybody, been an interesting topic, so thought I would put in my pennies worth. No one has mentioned plating your own items. Using Brush Plating it is possible to plate in most metals including Gold, Chrome, Nickel, Copper, Silver etc at a very reasonable cost. In the UK you can purchase a gold brush plating kit for around ?30, these work surprisingly well, Gold is probably the easiest. I gather that Chrome plating large items is best left to professional platers, however I intend to do my 1970's box parts myself as the finished Juke value will be too low to justify professional work. Most of the cost of re-chroming/re-plating is not in the finish it is in the preparation, it can take hours to polish out scratches and pits etc, so to save money do it yourself, convert your bench grinder, brush plate in copper and polish (repeat) until a quality finish is reached, then either send the item away or plate it your self. As for gold plating the turntable, brush plating allows you to accurately apply the gold to narrow areas, one could even mask off the required area to give a very neat finish. Gold is also available in different "colours". For further info try www.goldn.co.uk (no connection) Regards David From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Thu Mar 26 13:58:13 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Thu Mar 26 13:59:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: chrome work *slightly off topic* References: <599892.23781.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9FA6A8487962417C9E2B21455B490455@JUKEBUS> Bob, Anodising only works on aluminium, if the parts are made of pot metal then the process you need is brass plating. Some Chrome shops do this, but not all, you will have to ask around. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:59 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: chrome work *slightly off topic* A little off-topic but along the thread of chrome.... I have an upright Edison Diamond Disc machine. The turntable, tone arm, "volume control knob", and other shiney bits were orignally gold anodized. At least I think that would be the term used to make the pot metal pretty. This gold coating has worn away in spots over the years. I'd like to have all that stuff re-done but haven't a clue where to begin. Anyone out there in juke-land (who also own talking machines) know anything about this sort of thing? TIA for a reply to the list or to my email address: NotarySojac@SBCGlobal.net Bob - Chicago _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.29/2024 - Release Date: 03/26/09 07:12:00 From moran.tommy at att.net Thu Mar 26 13:39:39 2009 From: moran.tommy at att.net (Moran, Thomas) Date: Thu Mar 26 14:08:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth In-Reply-To: <88845251E7B5463BBBBAFFC81BD2BBB9@JUKEBUS> References: <88A24B16B0414323816A2A72BB29A3F2@JUKEBUS> <2E1CB950-D58B-4EDA-9C50-F5AF01D0CC05@comcast.net> <88845251E7B5463BBBBAFFC81BD2BBB9@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: Hi Adrian, Sorry for the late reply, I'm catching up on emails. On mine, you also can see the tubes through the speaker cloth. I think my speaker cloth is original, judging by the wear, although it is different than the interior drapes. I haven't found a match or something close yet, I'll have to hunt around at a fabric store again. I included a link to a youtube video of the AMI A in action which shows the tubes through the speaker cloth. Also, I included the website of another member that shows some nice photos of the AMI A all lighted up (David I hope you don't mind.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZAygjvhoU http://www.tildebang.com/jukebox/ Tom On Mar 17, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > Hi Tom, > Sorry I took so long to reply! I have just about got this machine > back > together now - I will send a photo to your direct e-mail. I'm > wondering if I > have got the speaker grill cloth wrong, you can see the fluorescent > tubes > through it .... was that how they were?? > > Best Regards, > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Moran" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" Record playing > > > Hi Adrian, > I also have an AMI A that I have been slowly restoring, mine is also > missing the "record playing indicator. I have a couple of nice photos > of the actual part you are describing that I saved to my computer from > an ebay auction. What would be the best way to post these? I would > also be interested in some photos of yours during/after restoration. > > Tom. > On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > >> Can anyone familiar with the AMI A (Mother of Plastic) tell me what >> is supposed to be behind the "Record Playing" lens on the right hand >> side of the button bank? I'm restoring one now and there nothing >> there, not even any evidence of anything having been there! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Adrian. >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1971 - Release Date: > 02/25/09 > 06:40:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Thu Mar 26 14:14:00 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Thu Mar 26 14:15:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing References: <981598.14566.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com><95A59ED04696475CB66C525A47CC4431@JUKEBUS> <49C98DC7.6060803@telus.net> Message-ID: <08C6A7438CCA4F09BB79F75DF3DC56BF@JUKEBUS> ..Well, I thought my bid of $210 was overvaluing it somewhat, however it sold for $355!! Someone wanted it really badly. So, the idea of making something out of a pinball credit wheel now becomes more attractive.... Anyone know if the chain drive was a 1:1 ratio? Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing That wheel is very similar in size to a pinball replay counter wheel. If you are only missing the wheel, perhaps you could juryrig one of them up and find a suitable chain gear to drive it... http://www.pin-games.se/parts/pinball/gottlieb/A10289_1981.jpg John :-#)# Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > ..That was me - Thanks for this alert Gary! > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Young" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing > > > > Hi folks was somebody looking for the AMI A record now playing device? > Well, > if anyone is interested, there is one on ebay at the moment. Here is the > link > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370175323527 > > Please note, I have no connection with this item, just passing on the > info. > > Gary > > > --- On Tue, 17/3/09, Juke of Shrewsbury > wrote: > > >> From: Juke of Shrewsbury >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009, 8:42 PM >> Hi Tom, >> Sorry I took so long to reply! I have just about got this >> machine back >> together now - I will send a photo to your direct e-mail. >> I'm wondering if I >> have got the speaker grill cloth wrong, you can see the >> fluorescent tubes >> through it .... was that how they were?? >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Adrian. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Thomas Moran" >> >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" Record >> playing >> >> >> Hi Adrian, >> I also have an AMI A that I have been slowly restoring, >> mine is also >> missing the "record playing indicator. I have a >> couple of nice photos >> of the actual part you are describing that I saved to my >> computer from >> an ebay auction. What would be the best way to post these? >> I would >> also be interested in some photos of yours during/after >> restoration. >> >> Tom. >> On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: >> >> >>> Can anyone familiar with the AMI A (Mother of Plastic) >>> >> tell me what >> >>> is supposed to be behind the "Record >>> >> Playing" lens on the right hand >> >>> side of the button bank? I'm restoring one now >>> >> and there nothing >> >>> there, not even any evidence of anything having been >>> >> there! >> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Adrian. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> >>> >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1971 - Release >> Date: 02/25/09 >> 06:40:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.25/2019 - Release Date: 03/23/09 > 18:51:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.28/2022 - Release Date: 03/24/09 16:00:00 From jay at west.net Thu Mar 26 14:46:42 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Mar 26 14:48:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing In-Reply-To: <08C6A7438CCA4F09BB79F75DF3DC56BF@JUKEBUS> References: <981598.14566.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com><95A59ED04696475CB66C525A47CC4431@JUKEBUS> <49C98DC7.6060803@telus.net> <08C6A7438CCA4F09BB79F75DF3DC56BF@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <49CBF7C2.708@west.net> Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > ..Well, I thought my bid of $210 was overvaluing it somewhat, however it > sold for $355!! Someone wanted it really badly. > > So, the idea of making something out of a pinball credit wheel now becomes > more attractive.... Anyone know if the chain drive was a 1:1 ratio? It would have to be if the numbers are printed once on the wheel and the drive rotates once per total of selections. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Thu Mar 26 15:02:12 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Thu Mar 26 15:04:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing References: <981598.14566.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com><95A59ED04696475CB66C525A47CC4431@JUKEBUS> <49C98DC7.6060803@telus.net><08C6A7438CCA4F09BB79F75DF3DC56BF@JUKEBUS> <49CBF7C2.708@west.net> Message-ID: <8F8C9E543EE54F74A8CAA5680E7842F2@JUKEBUS> ...Yes, I worded the question badly! What I really meant was how many times does the drive motor shaft rotate per 2 full scans of the record rack? (I suspect it's not 1:1) Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" record now playing Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > ..Well, I thought my bid of $210 was overvaluing it somewhat, however it > sold for $355!! Someone wanted it really badly. > > So, the idea of making something out of a pinball credit wheel now becomes > more attractive.... Anyone know if the chain drive was a 1:1 ratio? It would have to be if the numbers are printed once on the wheel and the drive rotates once per total of selections. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.29/2024 - Release Date: 03/26/09 07:12:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 19:03:27 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Mar 26 19:05:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth Message-ID: <505197.38935.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Moran, Thomas wrote: > I included a link to a youtube video of > the AMI A in action which shows the tubes through the > speaker cloth. I couldn't watch the whole video. I was getting sea sick. I wonder what people would think if they saw camera work like that in a movie theater? Anyway... I've never seen an Elvis record with the older design RCA Victor label like that. I wonder if it was a Canadian pressing? > Also, I included the website of another > member that shows some nice photos of the AMI A all lighted > up (David I hope you don't mind.) Nope. That's what it's there for. You can see the tubes through the cloth on mine, to the extent that you see two bands of light. But you don't see the tubes themselves as if you were looking through gauze or something. Does that description make sense? From swiftsteve at shaw.ca Thu Mar 26 20:18:19 2009 From: swiftsteve at shaw.ca (steve) Date: Thu Mar 26 20:19:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: ok I have had ENOUGH of you emailing me From ccos at knology.net Thu Mar 26 20:24:48 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Thu Mar 26 20:26:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: LOLOLOLOL Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) ok I have had ENOUGH of you emailing me _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From JWHITE3 at entergy.com Mon Mar 23 06:36:01 2009 From: JWHITE3 at entergy.com (WHITE, JAMES P) Date: Thu Mar 26 20:26:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mech Removal USC1 ? Message-ID: <14023CCF609A8347B3F32420248ED83D044E8894@CCTEXETSP006.etrsouth.corp.entergy.com> Guys, I'm rebuilding a USC1 Band shell for a lady and I really need to remove and clean the mechanism. I have pulled and cleaned a few mechs from 50's Seeburgs - but how the heck do I get the mech out of this juke? I've consulted the manual - no help there. Any pointers are appreciated. Thanks, JP White From hemikim at comcast.net Mon Mar 23 19:02:35 2009 From: hemikim at comcast.net (Kim) Date: Thu Mar 26 20:27:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Service manual for Pioneer cj-v55 laser juke Message-ID: Hello, Do you have them? If so, I'd be interested in buying them from you. Please let me know. Thanks, Kim (Washington, D.C.) From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 18:59:18 2009 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Thu Mar 26 20:27:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck In-Reply-To: <111192.47919.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <111192.47919.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, Sorry I wasn't clear. i will try again. Once I found the bad contact and turned it on the motor moved the mechanism. It appeared to go through part of the cycle and returned to its normal start position which I was referring to the "at rest" position. This is with both arms down. Isn't this the position it stops at while waiting for a selection to be made?? I made a selection and the selector did release one of the pins. I also heard the wobble plate move. But, the selector drum arm didn't move. Nor did the record carousel. It appears the motor is moving the main cam and arms but, not the selector drum arm or record carousel. Carl I just recheck the reverse switch at it appears to be adjusted properly. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Question--as I'm confused--if the "mechanism" is moving, what are you > referring to when you say "rest position" ? Do you mean that both record > lift arms moved down to the stop position ? If that's the case but the > record basket, and crank arms are not operating, check that the record > loading switch is in the play position. If it is, check that both the > transfer and mute switches are in the correct position, and (with the power > OFF), be sure all the NC contacts are making well (use a meter). ---Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Carl & Lynne Sullivan > wrote: > > From: Carl & Lynne Sullivan > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 4:57 PM > > Update... > > Found the problem with the contacts on the transfer switch. Fixed, and > the > fuse held. The motor worked and moved the mechanism. It took it to the at > rest position. Finally some success. > > Next issue... the reverse switch. The motor move the mechanism but, it did > not move the record carousel. I made a selection and it released a pin > and > initiated the wobble plate but, no movement on the selector crank. > > Thanks to everyone's patience and input. Much appreciated by novice. > > Carl > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Carl & Lynne Sullivan < > carl.lynne.sullivan@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Ron and Adrian, > > > > Thanks for the advice. I have been looking at the switches but, was > > focused on the end state. All closed or all open.. I didn't even think > > about the transfer positions. I will take a look right now. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Carl > > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury < > > jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > > >> Hi Carl, > >> OK, you're making progress... Now you know that the motor is probably > good > >> and that there is a problem with the transfer switch. As Ron has > >> mentioned, > >> you need to look at that switch in detail. You will find the adjustment > >> details for it in the manual, check the contact gaps carefully. Since > >> this > >> switch is used to reverse the polarity of the DC supply to the motor, > it's > >> very important that the contacts "break before make". This means that > >> during > >> switching the moving contacts must pass through a stage where they are > not > >> touching either of the fixed contacts. If they do not then they will > apply > >> a > >> direct short across the supply and blow the fuse. Your spark and fuse > >> blowing indicates that either this is happening, or part of the switch > is > >> broken giving a similar effect. > >> > >> Adrian. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" > >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > >> > >> > >> I loosen the motor mounts and disengaged the motor. I replaced the > 2amp > >> fused and the motor worked but, I couldn't get it to reverse direction > >> with > >> the reverse switch. I then moved the mute and play switch and I could > get > >> the mechanism motor to run. Then I moved the transfer switch and I got > a > >> spark and the fused blew. > >> > >> I have a 2304 manual but which doesn't include the details on how the > >> mechanism works, just a lot of adjustments. > >> > >> Currently, looking at the wiring diagram. Next step to buy a manual > that > >> describes how the mechanism works. > >> > >> Carl > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury < > >> jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Carl, > >> > First thing to check is that the motor runs when the gear is > >> disengaged. > >> > Remove 2 of the mounting Allen screws and swivel the motor away from > the > >> > main mech gear so that it can run with no load. Now see if it blows > the > >> > fuse. Even if the fuse still blows it may not be the motor at fault. > The > >> > motors on these mechs do not have a permanent magnet in them, they > >> > therefore > >> > use an electromagnet - also known as a "field coil". This means there > >> are > >> > 4 > >> > wires going to the motor, 2 of them are for the field coil and 2 are > for > >> > the > >> > armature. The reversing switch changes the polarity on one of these > >> pairs > >> > of > >> > wires (can't remember which off hand) and if not correctly adjusted > can > >> > short and cause the fuse to blow. Check the switch adjustments as > shown > >> in > >> > the manual. If the switch is properly adjusted then you are probably > >> > looking > >> > at a bad motor - disconnect either the field coil or armature and try > >> > again > >> > to see which one is bad, it's unlikely that both are shorted. > >> > > >> > Adrian. > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" > >> > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:15 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 Mechanism is Stuck > >> > > >> > > >> > Steve, > >> > > >> > I don't believe it is a violation of copy right rules if you share it > >> with > >> > one person at a time or in a none systematic way. > >> > > >> > So yes, I would love to see what you have on the mechanism. Also, > >> > anything > >> > that talks about the mechanism motor. I believe I may have an > >> electrical > >> > problem. It blows a fuse any time the mechanism motor is engaged. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > > >> > Carl Sullivan > >> > Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com > >> > > >> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:42:09PM +0000, James Alexander wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Carl: > >> > > > If this is your first Wurlitzer juke with the carousel mech, you > >> > > > should probably take the time to read the descriptions of > operation > >> > > > in the service manual to get more familiar with it's workings. > This > >> > > > system works dependably and was used by Wurlitzer for a long time > >> > > > through the 50's-60's. > >> > > > >> > > I've probably asked this before, but does that section exist in a > 2400 > >> > > manual? (and for Carl, a 2300 manual)? I thought I looked for > >> > > something like that and found it sadly missing. > >> > > > >> > > If indeed it is missing from some manuals, I wonder if it would get > >> > > anybody's underwear in a knot if that section (only) got posted on > the > >> > > web as a pdf? > >> > > > >> > > --> Steve > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > >> > > > >> > > If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's > >> > > stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not > broken--keep > >> > > me away from it! > >> > > -- eldavojohn on Slashdot > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Jukebox-list mailing list > >> > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Jukebox-list mailing list > >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.20/2013 - Release Date: > >> 03/18/09 > >> > 07:17:00 > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Jukebox-list mailing list > >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.21/2014 - Release Date: > 03/20/09 > >> 06:59:00 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 20:42:43 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Thu Mar 26 20:44:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What are you talking about???? On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:18 PM, steve wrote: > ok I have had ENOUGH of you emailing me > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Mar 26 20:45:10 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Mar 26 20:46:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <001601c9ae8e$6dff0b70$b4fa4109@ZURNT60> Steve, You are subscribed to an email list... You can visit the 'Jukebox-list' links at the bottom of these emails and it will explain how to unsubscribe. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) ok I have had ENOUGH of you emailing me _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 26 20:47:16 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Thu Mar 26 20:48:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) References: Message-ID: I think he either got the group crossed with someone else or he just switched to daily digest. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Teeter" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) > What are you talking about???? > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:18 PM, steve wrote: > >> ok I have had ENOUGH of you emailing me >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 20:47:32 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Thu Mar 26 20:49:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Service manual for Pioneer cj-v55 laser juke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think I have one from a juke I parted a couple of months ago. Please contact me off list. I also have a few other parts including a player available from this juke. Thomas On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Kim wrote: > Hello, > > > > Do you have them? If so, I'd be interested in buying them from you. > Please > let me know. Thanks, Kim (Washington, D.C.) > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Fri Mar 27 03:47:12 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Fri Mar 27 03:48:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth Message-ID: I have restored 4 of the AMI A's over the years, I used the original colored fluorescent tubes in them, the ones now available are too bright and will shine through the speaker area. I also used a material behind the grille cloth to block what little light was there. I am going to restore one for myself this summer, I'll post pics when it is finished. When using the original correct color tubes, (not sleeves) the colors are stunning and very very deep, not bright, luckily I still have some original fluorescent tubes left..... Mel From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Mar 27 05:43:06 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Mar 27 05:44:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: chrome work *slightly off topic* In-Reply-To: <524485.95667.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <524485.95667.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've had so many gramophones and jukeboxes replated and would ask the platers many questions. YES. My understanding is that they will strip off all the old the plating, dip it in copper, and then put the gold layer on. But whatever price you're quoted would include all of this. When I had Victor turntables replated in nickel, they would charge $25 for a 12" platter. Gold will be more expensive, and the price of plating has gone up a lot in recent years. Hope this helps you David -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 2009, March, 26 4:45 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: chrome work *slightly off topic* -- On Thu, 3/26/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > The turntable will be the most expensive part to do. You can't just > plate the visible edge... They have to dip the whole piece in the bath > to do a copper base, and then add the gold on top. My Edison model 250 Diamond Disc machine has copper under the worn areas of gold plating. Is that good enough for re-plating or does a new copper base coat need to be put on? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Mar 27 06:34:10 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Mar 27 06:35:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth Message-ID: <556636.97760.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Mel Knight wrote: > I have restored 4 of the AMI A's over > the years, I used the original colored fluorescent tubes in > them, the ones now available are too bright > and will shine through the speaker area. When I restored mine, I needed to replace one each of the yellow and red tubes. As far as I can see, they are visually identical to the originals. A local commercial lighting supply house was able to order them for me. (They weren't cheap, as I recall). The short green tube below the window is a white tube in a sleeve. The red and yellow tubes are painted on the inside with a translucent colored paint, much like C-7 and C-9 Christmas lights. Like Mel said, they provide a very deep and rich color. > I also used a > material behind the grille cloth to block what little light > was there. But the cloth is supposed to be illuminated from behind. From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Fri Mar 27 06:48:15 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Fri Mar 27 06:50:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth Message-ID: <808FC7FDAA2D486E8169D50399C80DEB@VistaServer> Hey David! I guess block was a poor choice of wording, more like diffuse, there is still a soft color glow, but the fluorescent tube does not show through the cloth.... Mel From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Mar 27 08:57:22 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Mar 27 08:59:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth Message-ID: <77820.38558.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -- On Fri, 3/27/09, Mel Knight wrote: > ? ? ? ? ? ???I > guess block was a poor choice of wording, more like diffuse, > there is still a soft color glow, but the > fluorescent tube does not show through the cloth....? That makes sense. When I was working on mine, I couldn't get a colored tube for the bottom position. They just don't make them that short. The machine had a white tube there, but it was much too bright. I experimented with different colored gels in that position. Red to yellow to green seemed a pretty good transition. I've seen many A's with blue and green tubes, or all white tubes (I understand mainly late model ones were all white) but not with red and yellow like mine. That color combination either came from the factory or was put in early in the machine's life judging by the condition of everything in the cabinet. It would be interesting to know what color combinations actually came from the factory. From moran.tommy at att.net Fri Mar 27 09:25:26 2009 From: moran.tommy at att.net (Moran, Thomas) Date: Fri Mar 27 09:33:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth In-Reply-To: <77820.38558.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <77820.38558.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95283C97-9B03-4106-B0F6-127FCCB2EB7F@att.net> I was wondering the same thing, is there a set location for the different colors? On Mar 27, 2009, at 10:57 AM, David Breneman wrote: > > -- On Fri, 3/27/09, Mel Knight wrote: > >> I >> guess block was a poor choice of wording, more like diffuse, >> there is still a soft color glow, but the >> fluorescent tube does not show through the cloth.... > > That makes sense. When I was working on mine, I couldn't > get a colored tube for the bottom position. They just > don't make them that short. The machine had a white tube > there, but it was much too bright. I experimented with > different colored gels in that position. Red to yellow to > green seemed a pretty good transition. I've seen many A's > with blue and green tubes, or all white tubes (I understand > mainly late model ones were all white) but not with red and > yellow like mine. That color combination either came from > the factory or was put in early in the machine's life > judging by the condition of everything in the cabinet. > It would be interesting to know what color combinations > actually came from the factory. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Fri Mar 27 10:49:23 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Fri Mar 27 10:51:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: chrome work *slightly off topic* References: <524485.95667.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have found that gold is round the same price as chrome either aluminium or die cast (also known as muck metal here in Australia) We are a huge gold producer which may keep the price down. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:43 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: chrome work *slightly off topic* I've had so many gramophones and jukeboxes replated and would ask the platers many questions. YES. My understanding is that they will strip off all the old the plating, dip it in copper, and then put the gold layer on. But whatever price you're quoted would include all of this. When I had Victor turntables replated in nickel, they would charge $25 for a 12" platter. Gold will be more expensive, and the price of plating has gone up a lot in recent years. Hope this helps you David -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 2009, March, 26 4:45 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: chrome work *slightly off topic* -- On Thu, 3/26/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > The turntable will be the most expensive part to do. You can't just > plate the visible edge... They have to dip the whole piece in the bath > to do a copper base, and then add the gold on top. My Edison model 250 Diamond Disc machine has copper under the worn areas of gold plating. Is that good enough for re-plating or does a new copper base coat need to be put on? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Fri Mar 27 11:32:47 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Fri Mar 27 11:34:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 record loading Message-ID: Hi all, I am starting on another 2610 wurly. The amp is rebuilt, another outstanding job by Jay Hennigan. Other than the usual selector picking the wrong selection (i'll work on that one later) is the records are not loading. When the selection is made, the pin pops, turret moves to said pin, resets pin, turntable motor spins, record loading arms do not load records. When I press the reset and hold the reset button, one of the arms cycles up and then down, (no record present) and then the turn table motor stops. If I release the reset button during the cycle, the cycle stops, and when I press the reset button again, the cycle resumes. All advice is appreciated!!!! Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Internet Explorer 8 ? Get your Hotmail Accelerated. Download free! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/141323790/direct/01/ From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Fri Mar 27 11:57:44 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Fri Mar 27 11:59:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth References: <77820.38558.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <95283C97-9B03-4106-B0F6-127FCCB2EB7F@att.net> Message-ID: <8A0E559494D8402D91894546D7806BAF@JUKEBUS> ..Add me to the list of people wondering! Mine are all white at the moment, I did not realise that coloured tubes were original. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moran, Thomas" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth I was wondering the same thing, is there a set location for the different colors? On Mar 27, 2009, at 10:57 AM, David Breneman wrote: > > -- On Fri, 3/27/09, Mel Knight wrote: > >> I >> guess block was a poor choice of wording, more like diffuse, >> there is still a soft color glow, but the >> fluorescent tube does not show through the cloth.... > > That makes sense. When I was working on mine, I couldn't > get a colored tube for the bottom position. They just > don't make them that short. The machine had a white tube > there, but it was much too bright. I experimented with > different colored gels in that position. Red to yellow to > green seemed a pretty good transition. I've seen many A's > with blue and green tubes, or all white tubes (I understand > mainly late model ones were all white) but not with red and > yellow like mine. That color combination either came from > the factory or was put in early in the machine's life > judging by the condition of everything in the cabinet. > It would be interesting to know what color combinations > actually came from the factory. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.29/2024 - Release Date: 03/26/09 07:12:00 From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 12:51:18 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Mar 27 12:53:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth In-Reply-To: <8A0E559494D8402D91894546D7806BAF@JUKEBUS> References: <77820.38558.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <95283C97-9B03-4106-B0F6-127FCCB2EB7F@att.net> <8A0E559494D8402D91894546D7806BAF@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <3154d3690903271251p518351a2xe87252e2032ad103@mail.gmail.com> I don't think we can know for sure.I have found them usually with a mix of red and green flourescents, sometimes also yellow. The brochure shows top -red, lower - green and yellow sides, but it handcoloured and not a reliable source. The lower pilasters had white flourescents with stationary diffusers in front in early production, later they had revolving colur cylinders. So what colours were "original"? There's noone around to tell us the answer. Most likely they came in various colours. But I doubt any A left the factory with all white flourescents. Jens On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury < jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > ..Add me to the list of people wondering! Mine are all white at the moment, > I did not realise that coloured tubes were original. > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moran, Thomas" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth > > > I was wondering the same thing, is there a set location for the > different colors? > On Mar 27, 2009, at 10:57 AM, David Breneman wrote: > > > > > -- On Fri, 3/27/09, Mel Knight wrote: > > > >> I > >> guess block was a poor choice of wording, more like diffuse, > >> there is still a soft color glow, but the > >> fluorescent tube does not show through the cloth.... > > > > That makes sense. When I was working on mine, I couldn't > > get a colored tube for the bottom position. They just > > don't make them that short. The machine had a white tube > > there, but it was much too bright. I experimented with > > different colored gels in that position. Red to yellow to > > green seemed a pretty good transition. I've seen many A's > > with blue and green tubes, or all white tubes (I understand > > mainly late model ones were all white) but not with red and > > yellow like mine. That color combination either came from > > the factory or was put in early in the machine's life > > judging by the condition of everything in the cabinet. > > It would be interesting to know what color combinations > > actually came from the factory. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.29/2024 - Release Date: 03/26/09 > 07:12:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Mar 27 14:03:58 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Mar 27 14:05:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth Message-ID: <759489.36375.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Jens Hultgren wrote: > The brochure shows top -red, lower - green and yellow > sides, but it > handcoloured and not a reliable source. That must be where I got the idea to replace the white light in mine with green. I don't think I have a picture of the brochure, but I might have seen it somewhere. Anyway, it looks good with those colors. I've seen pictures of a several that have blue and green. Usually the top in one color, the sides and lower in the other. From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Fri Mar 27 14:10:27 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Fri Mar 27 14:12:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 correction Message-ID: My last post stated the 2610 selector pin pops, turret stops, resets pin, turntable motor turning, no record loading. The correction is the pin is NOT reset, the turret stops at the pin, turntable motor spins, and the rest of my post is accurate. Thanks Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 From wesleydean at cox.net Fri Mar 27 13:58:53 2009 From: wesleydean at cox.net (Wesley Dean) Date: Fri Mar 27 14:19:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Comment on AMI color tubes References: <524485.95667.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just a comment for Moran about the color tubes and placement of colors on AMI A Many moon has past since WE restored an A for a serious collector who has since left us for the Jukebox in the sky some of you may have heard of him ( Ray Lowery) anyway we installed 7 yes 7 motorized color cylinder in his A and did it put on a SHOW each cyld. had 4 colors and the machine just sceamed color it was a sight to see. Wes from the other side From pinball at telus.net Fri Mar 27 14:34:50 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Mar 27 14:36:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 record loading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49CD467A.2070305@telus.net> Bryan Shaw wrote: > Hi all, > > I am starting on another 2610 wurly. The amp is rebuilt, another outstanding job by Jay > Hennigan. Other than the usual selector picking the wrong selection (i'll work on that one later) is the records are not loading. When the selection is made, the pin pops, turret moves to said pin, xxxxxx(deleted wrong bit about the pin cancelled), turntable motor spins, record loading arms do not load records. When I press the reset and hold the reset button, one of the arms cycles up and then down, (no record present) and then the turn table motor stops. If I release the reset button during the cycle, the cycle stops, and when I press the reset button again, the cycle resumes. All advice is appreciated!!!! > > > Bryan > Check the contacts on the transfer switch. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Mar 27 15:55:58 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Mar 27 15:57:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" Color placementwas AMI "A" speaker grill cloth In-Reply-To: <3154d3690903271251p518351a2xe87252e2032ad103@mail.gmail.com> References: <77820.38558.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <95283C97-9B03-4106-B0F6-127FCCB2EB7F@att.net> <8A0E559494D8402D91894546D7806BAF@JUKEBUS> <3154d3690903271251p518351a2xe87252e2032ad103@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090327225409.M69431@dwave.net> I will just jump in with a idea - Does the parts manual for an "A" show different part numbers for the bulbs or indicate color sleeves? Thanks Jeremy Agema On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:51:18 +0100, Jens Hultgren wrote > I don't think we can know for sure.I have found them usually with a > mix of red and green flourescents, sometimes also yellow. > > The brochure shows top -red, lower - green and yellow sides, but it > handcoloured and not a reliable source. > > The lower pilasters had white flourescents with stationary diffusers > in front in early production, later they had revolving colur cylinders. > > So what colours were "original"? There's noone around to tell us the > answer. Most likely they came in various colours. But I doubt any A > left the factory with all white flourescents. > > Jens > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury < > jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > > ..Add me to the list of people wondering! Mine are all white at the moment, > > I did not realise that coloured tubes were original. > > > > Adrian. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Moran, Thomas" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI "A" speaker grill cloth > > > > > > I was wondering the same thing, is there a set location for the > > different colors? > > On Mar 27, 2009, at 10:57 AM, David Breneman wrote: > > > > > > > > -- On Fri, 3/27/09, Mel Knight wrote: > > > > > >> I > > >> guess block was a poor choice of wording, more like diffuse, > > >> there is still a soft color glow, but the > > >> fluorescent tube does not show through the cloth.... > > > > > > That makes sense. When I was working on mine, I couldn't > > > get a colored tube for the bottom position. They just > > > don't make them that short. The machine had a white tube > > > there, but it was much too bright. I experimented with > > > different colored gels in that position. Red to yellow to > > > green seemed a pretty good transition. I've seen many A's > > > with blue and green tubes, or all white tubes (I understand > > > mainly late model ones were all white) but not with red and > > > yellow like mine. That color combination either came from > > > the factory or was put in early in the machine's life > > > judging by the condition of everything in the cabinet. > > > It would be interesting to know what color combinations > > > actually came from the factory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.29/2024 - Release Date: 03/26/09 > > 07:12:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jugert at msn.com Sat Mar 28 09:54:33 2009 From: jugert at msn.com (jugert@msn.com) Date: Sat Mar 28 09:56:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] need schematic for seeburg 222 In-Reply-To: <20090327225409.M69431@dwave.net> References: <77820.38558.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <95283C97-9B03-4106-B0F6-127FCCB2EB7F@att.net> <8A0E559494D8402D91894546D7806BAF@JUKEBUS> <3154d3690903271251p518351a2xe87252e2032ad103@mail.gmail.com> <20090327225409.M69431@dwave.net> Message-ID: Can anyone guide me to a schematic for a Seeburg TSU-5 selection receiver out of a model 222? I tired Vern and I tired babyboard.nl to no avail. Don Jugert Colorado From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Mar 28 10:14:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Mar 28 10:16:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] need schematic for seeburg 222 Message-ID: <142681.77598.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Don, Any "service manual" from the VL-200 thru the "DS"? (TSR-3-TSU-7)will be pretty much the same. Where are you having the problem ?? Ron --- On Sat, 3/28/09, jugert@msn.com wrote: From: jugert@msn.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] need schematic for seeburg 222 To: "jukeboxlist" Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 9:54 AM Can anyone guide me to a schematic for a Seeburg TSU-5 selection receiver out of a model 222? I tired Vern and I tired babyboard.nl to no avail. Don Jugert Colorado _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Carl.Lynne.Sullivan at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 14:12:02 2009 From: Carl.Lynne.Sullivan at gmail.com (Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com) Date: Sat Mar 28 14:13:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2304 - Making progress Message-ID: <000325579e82fd40460466344c5e@google.com> I just received the "missing" pages from the Wurlitzer 2304 manual from Always Jukin'. It sure does help having the pages that describe how the mechanism works. The mechanism is not free moving. I finally got the motor to run in reverse so it moves the record carousel. However, I need to manual moved the transfer switch to get the carousel to move. But, it doesn't shift to mechanism mode when the selector crank meets a selector pin. I hear the reverse switch being released but, no movement from the mechanism motor. The other issue... the plunger tends to over travel after meeting the pin. It doesn't bend the pin but, the pressure it fairly high. I tried adjusting the plunger stop but, it doesn't seem to have an impact. Thoughts from any one... Carl From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Sat Mar 28 15:56:01 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Sat Mar 28 15:57:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 selector issue Message-ID: I am working on my 2nd 2610. I'm having selector issues I cannot seem to correct. I have conducted the adjustment procedures in the manual, still not corrected. The pins activated are do not match the buttons pushed. for example, press h5, the h solenoid fires, no pins activate. Press H1 again, solenoid fires, no pins activate. Press h3, h3 pin activates. I'm guessing because the rocker plate does not have to move. My wife pressed the buttons and I observed the left and right solenoids that move the rocker plate do move and appear to move full range. The intermediate solenoid works as well. I can manually move the rocker plate, press the h solenoid and the appropriate pin activates. I have installed the electrical selector in anther 2610 and it behaves the same. Thanks Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme From berrycbell at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 16:20:44 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sat Mar 28 16:22:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2500 Questions Message-ID: Hello Guys, Just picked up a Wurlitzer 2500, a machine I have never owned during my 20 years of collecting. I have a few questions and and was hoping those of you familiar with the machine could help me. (1) How do the grill ornaments attach themselves to the vertical grill rods? Several have slid downwards and I'm not sure how to secure them on the vertical grill rods. These are the hour glass shaped pieces, that are two and three to a rod. (2) I want to remove the front grill to clean in properly, any tips on it's removal? Thank you for your assistance. Berry Bell From magic-4u at pacbell.net Mon Mar 30 08:04:44 2009 From: magic-4u at pacbell.net (Bradley Grant) Date: Mon Mar 30 08:07:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth Message-ID: <6A82480A-4D7E-4DEF-B72F-BD2E7A299715@pacbell.net> All this talk is gonna make me drag the A outta hiding and fget to work! Yay! It's all aprat, mech done, needs cabinet work, inside, wiring, etc and back together. Plating is done. I had thought I might get Christmas lights- the twinkles that have the box with the knob so you can change all the chase effects--- and use the effect that gradually turns one color off and the next one on, toggling slowly through 4 colors. From the front the effect I am trying for is you only would see the top arch (and bottom arch seperately) plastics change color. Kind of a fun idea. I will rewire for flourescents as the original, but not use them where I use the twinkles. Comments? Thanks, Brad (Vacaville, CA) http://www.jukeboxnut.com From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Mon Mar 30 08:33:57 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Mon Mar 30 08:35:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth In-Reply-To: <6A82480A-4D7E-4DEF-B72F-BD2E7A299715@pacbell.net> References: <6A82480A-4D7E-4DEF-B72F-BD2E7A299715@pacbell.net> Message-ID: Brad, I checked out your site, very nice work. You asked for comments regarding your proposed lighting changes to the AMI A. A few months ago, there was a lynch mob after me because I wanted to put an animation kit in a Seeburg R. Personally, it's your box, and if you think it would look better with those lights, then do it. I would make it though so that it would be easy to backward engineer it (ie, return it to the way the manufacturer originally made it.) Better be careful or the "purists" will get upset again! Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bradley Grant Sent: 2009, March, 30 11:05 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth All this talk is gonna make me drag the A outta hiding and fget to work! Yay! It's all aprat, mech done, needs cabinet work, inside, wiring, etc and back together. Plating is done. I had thought I might get Christmas lights- the twinkles that have the box with the knob so you can change all the chase effects--- and use the effect that gradually turns one color off and the next one on, toggling slowly through 4 colors. From the front the effect I am trying for is you only would see the top arch (and bottom arch seperately) plastics change color. Kind of a fun idea. I will rewire for flourescents as the original, but not use them where I use the twinkles. Comments? Thanks, Brad (Vacaville, CA) http://www.jukeboxnut.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 08:48:28 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Mar 30 08:50:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth Message-ID: <699426.71918.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Michael-- You are still alive ??? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 8:33 AM Brad, I checked out your site, very nice work. You asked for comments regarding your proposed lighting changes to the AMI A. A few months ago, there was a lynch mob after me because I wanted to put an animation kit in a Seeburg R. Personally, it's your box, and if you think it would look better with those lights, then do it. I would make it though so that it would be easy to backward engineer it (ie, return it to the way the manufacturer originally made it.) Better be careful or the "purists" will get upset again! Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bradley Grant Sent: 2009, March, 30 11:05 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth All this talk is gonna make me drag the A outta hiding and fget to work! Yay! It's all aprat, mech done, needs cabinet work, inside, wiring, etc and back together. Plating is done. I had thought I might get Christmas lights- the twinkles that have the box with the knob so you can change all the chase effects--- and use the effect that gradually turns one color off and the next one on, toggling slowly through 4 colors. From the front the effect I am trying for is you only would see the top arch (and bottom arch seperately) plastics change color. Kind of a fun idea. I will rewire for flourescents as the original, but not use them where I use the twinkles. Comments? Thanks, Brad (Vacaville, CA) http://www.jukeboxnut.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 08:45:37 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Mon Mar 30 08:52:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem Message-ID: <744864.50072.qm@web45707.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, I promised to get back to you, once I had cleaned the keyboard. Actually I did clean it the last couple of weekends and after reinstalling it the problem with the coin registration unit indeed had disappeared. Great!! The entire keyboard needs to be readjusted however, because until now I haven?t succeeded in making a selection. Everything SOUNDS like the selection is being made, but no pins are released. I will spend next weekend checking all the tolerances of the keyboard switch contact blades and the release lever coil which were all loosened during the cleaning operation and hopefully locate the problem. BTW: what do you use for burnishing the contacts? Some of the contacts are deteriorated. Any idea if they are still available on the market? Another question, slightly OT: I?m looking for 1 push button on the keyboard (the letter "M"). Any idea where I could get one? The rest of the buttons are pretty acceptable so I don?t feel like spending $ 120 or more on a complete set. THX. HAns --- El lun, 16/3/09, Ron Rich escribi?: > De: Ron Rich > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection problem > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: lunes, 16 marzo, 2009 6:40 > Hans, > But I thought that it did rain in Spain--on the plain---? > Good luck, Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Hans > wrote: > > From: Hans > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 9:22 AM > > > Seems like a nice job for a rainy weekend... though we > don?t have a lot of these here in Spain. I?m going to try > what you advice and I?ll report back then. Thx a lot! > > --- El jue, 12/3/09, Ron Rich > escribi?: > > > De: Ron Rich > > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > problem > > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Fecha: jueves, 12 marzo, 2009 7:15 > > Hans, > > In my opinion, neither is correct for the type of > contact > > on a relay. IMHO, they should be "cleaned" with a non > > residue (plastic-safe) "safety solvent", then > inspected for > > "pits/burns", filed, ONLY if there are pits/burns, and > then > > burnished with a burnishing tool till they are smooth. > At > > this point, they usually need to be re-adjusted as > per > > spec.? > > "Sudsy ammonia" works well on sliding contacts, such > as in > > the "keyboard", and will also work for open-bladed > contacts, > > but can not be used on a relay, since the coil will > not like > > the water that must be used to rinse it. > > It's still my guess that your problem is dirty > contacts--- > > Ron Rich > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Hans > > wrote: > > > > From: Hans > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 selection > > problem > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:56 AM > > > > > > I used to use contact cleaner to clean the contacts, > but I > > read somewhere ;-) that that is not the most suitable > > cleaner. Did I read something about "sudsy ammonia" or > is > > that only for cleaning mecanical parts? > > > > --- El jue, 12/3/09, Ron Rich > > escribi?: > > > > > De: Ron Rich > > > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 > selection > > problem > > > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > > > Fecha: jueves, 12 marzo, 2009 4:20 > > > Hans, > > > "NC= "normally closed" (contact), which can be on > any > > set > > > of switch(s) anywhere, including that relay > itself. > > "NO"= > > > "normally open". As for the voltage--just a > guess, > > the > > > schematic will say--25 volts nom. AC or DC ? > --see > > the > > > schematic. > > > How are you "cleaning" contacts ? > > > Ron Rich > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Hans > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Hans > > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 > selection > > > problem > > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:04 AM > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your answer Ron. I will try to make > myself > > > clearer. > > > The problem is located in the timer relay of the > > playrak. > > > Of course I don?t know if the timer relay is > also the > > cause > > > of the problem. > > > I have learned in the meantime that with > jukeboxes > > the > > > problem is not always caused by the part that is > > > malfunctioning. > > > The relay is indeed supposed to energize the > keyboard > > coil. > > > But when the timer relay is under tension it will > not > > > activate unless you help it a little bit by > giving it > > a tiny > > > slap with a screwdriver or something. This will > > activate the > > > timer relay and consequently the keyboard coil. > > > Could you please explain what "NC" stands for in > "NC > > > contact"? My best guess ?till now is > Nickel-Cadmium > > which > > > is very likely to be incorrect ;-). Do you happen > to > > know > > > the voltage that is supposed to be measured on > the > > coil of > > > the timer relais? > > > Thx, > > > Hans > > > > > > --- El mi?, 11/3/09, Ron Rich > > > escribi?: > > > > > > > De: Ron Rich > > > > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 > > selection > > > problem > > > > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > > > > Fecha: mi?rcoles, 11 marzo, 2009 6:19 > > > > Hans, > > > > Not quite sure as too what you are > describing, so > > I'm > > > just > > > > guessing here--If the keyboard coil is not > being > > > energized, > > > > and you can energize it by "taping the > relay, on > > the > > > head" > > > > in the Playrac, I would check the "key > contacts" > > in > > > the > > > > Playrac, as that is what controls the > keyboard > > > coil.Also > > > > check the NC contact that the keyboard > solenoid > > > (coil) > > > > operates, as they are famous for not making > > contact > > > on > > > > Wurlys. If the relay in the Playrac won't > pull > > in, > > > measure > > > > the voltage on it--possible that the power > supply > > is > > > > weak--or one of the NC contacts is not > working > > well. > > > Ron > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Hans > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Hans > > > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulrlitzer 2300 > > selection > > > problem > > > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:54 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > After having made a selection the coil of > the > > timing > > > relais > > > > (part # 69244) in the playrak is supposed > to > > contract > > > the > > > > relay again, that is as long as there are > > credits > > > left. Mine > > > > does not do that correctly. The coil is > tested OK > > and > > > it > > > > tries to activate the relais but somehow it > does > > not > > > achieve > > > > that. If you give the relay a small tap "on > the > > head" > > > it > > > > will contract, the relay says "click", but > after > > > having made > > > > the selection it?s the same problem again. > The > > > playrak was > > > > already cleaned thoroughly. Any ideas where > to > > > look??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists..netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Mon Mar 30 09:06:43 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Mon Mar 30 09:13:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth In-Reply-To: <699426.71918.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <699426.71918.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They couldn't find me because I'm in Canada, Ron. P.s. I never did add an animation kit to my Seeburg. Maybe someday. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2009, March, 30 11:48 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth Michael-- You are still alive ??? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 8:33 AM Brad, I checked out your site, very nice work. You asked for comments regarding your proposed lighting changes to the AMI A. A few months ago, there was a lynch mob after me because I wanted to put an animation kit in a Seeburg R. Personally, it's your box, and if you think it would look better with those lights, then do it. I would make it though so that it would be easy to backward engineer it (ie, return it to the way the manufacturer originally made it.) Better be careful or the "purists" will get upset again! Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bradley Grant Sent: 2009, March, 30 11:05 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth All this talk is gonna make me drag the A outta hiding and fget to work! Yay! It's all aprat, mech done, needs cabinet work, inside, wiring, etc and back together. Plating is done. I had thought I might get Christmas lights- the twinkles that have the box with the knob so you can change all the chase effects--- and use the effect that gradually turns one color off and the next one on, toggling slowly through 4 colors. From the front the effect I am trying for is you only would see the top arch (and bottom arch seperately) plastics change color. Kind of a fun idea. I will rewire for flourescents as the original, but not use them where I use the twinkles. Comments? Thanks, Brad (Vacaville, CA) http://www.jukeboxnut.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 11:07:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Mar 30 11:09:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth Message-ID: <772952.22950.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> "They" gots spies EVERYWHERE!!!? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:06 AM They couldn't find me because I'm in Canada, Ron. P.s. I never did add an animation kit to my Seeburg. Maybe someday.? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2009, March, 30 11:48 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth Michael-- You are still alive ??? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 8:33 AM Brad, I checked out your site, very nice work. You asked for comments regarding your proposed lighting changes to the AMI A. A few months ago, there was a lynch mob after me because I wanted to put an animation kit in a Seeburg R. Personally, it's your box, and if you think it would look better with those lights, then do it. I would make it though so that it would be easy to backward engineer it (ie, return it to the way the manufacturer originally made it.) Better be careful or the "purists" will get upset again! Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bradley Grant Sent: 2009, March, 30 11:05 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth All this talk is gonna make me drag the A outta hiding and fget to work! Yay! It's all aprat, mech done, needs cabinet work, inside, wiring, etc and back together. Plating is done. I had thought I might get Christmas lights- the twinkles that have the box with the knob so you can change all the chase effects--- and use the effect that gradually turns one color off and the next one on, toggling slowly through 4 colors. From the front the effect I am trying for is you only would see the top arch (and bottom arch seperately) plastics change color. Kind of a fun idea. I will rewire for flourescents as the original, but not use them where I use the twinkles. Comments? Thanks, Brad (Vacaville, CA) http://www.jukeboxnut.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 15:00:43 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Mar 30 15:02:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI "A" speaker grill cloth Message-ID: <784037.5092.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > They couldn't find me because I'm in > Canada, Ron. This sounds like a job for Sergeant Preston of the RCMP! "On, King! On, huskies! Mush, mush!" > P.s. I never did add an animation kit to my Seeburg. Maybe > someday.? I guess I fall into the category of being a dreaded "purist." As far as I'm concerned, the machine is your property and you can do with it as you wish. (I'm speaking about any machine and any owner here, not just you, Michael). But my philosophy is to preserve when possible, restore when necessary, and keep the machine as a living and historically accurate gateway to a bygone age. I suppose I missed my calling and should have been a museum curator. From wurlitzeronthefritz at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 16:07:47 2009 From: wurlitzeronthefritz at gmail.com (Making a Repair) Date: Mon Mar 30 16:09:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan Message-ID: <92727260903301607t555eea37j7431a40181113d7a@mail.gmail.com> Looking for some input. I have a wurlitzer 2300 that will not scan. When I make a selection a pin is released in the selector unit. The wobble plate engages the override switch. I have confirmed that power is going to the reverse switch. However, the motor will not spin nor search for the raised pin. I have also confirmed that the motor runs in both directions. I have got the motor to move in the scan mode but, it only once when I tinkered with the transfer switch. I have adjusted the transfer switch per the manual but, it still will not scan. Thoughts from anyone. From joe400f at shaw.ca Mon Mar 30 16:23:54 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Mon Mar 30 16:25:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G selections intermittent Message-ID: <000c01c9b18e$97e88440$ad9b4e18@compaq> I have an intermittent selection problem on my Seeburg G. Selections G8 H8 G0 H0 intermittently will not play. I do not remember reading about an intermittent selection problem like this on this list. The pinbank was rebuilt about 4 years ago. Let me explain further. There is credits. What is happening is that the pins on the pin bank are being triggered. I looked under too see and they are definately being pulled. Whats happens intermittent at those selections is that when the mech is scanning and the contact block passes the pins, they are reset with a " click " without playing. the mech does not stop at the pulled pins. It just keeps on moving to the next selection. If one of the problem selections happen to be the last one pulled, the mech will scan to it and then stop with a " click ". Now, from what I understand from the manual, is that if the pins in the pinbank are being pulled when a selection is made, then the problem is with the pinbank and not in the selection receiver. When I say the pins are being pulled, I mean that the pins on the pinbank are moved from rest position. I also looked to make sure they move completely and freely. What I also noticed is that if I manually trigger a pin that is at the problem selection, with the mech at rest, the mech starts to scan and also will reset the pin without playing the selection. Not sure why the mech will reset a pin without stopping to play that selection. It will miss the selections more than it will actually play them but, they will play intermittent. Joey McDonald From jay at west.net Mon Mar 30 16:46:12 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Mar 30 16:47:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G selections intermittent In-Reply-To: <000c01c9b18e$97e88440$ad9b4e18@compaq> References: <000c01c9b18e$97e88440$ad9b4e18@compaq> Message-ID: <49D159C4.10008@west.net> Joey McDonald wrote: > I have an intermittent selection problem on my Seeburg G. Selections G8 H8 G0 H0 intermittently will not play. I do not remember reading about an intermittent selection problem like this on this list. The pinbank was rebuilt about 4 years ago. > > Let me explain further. There is credits. What is happening is that the pins on the pin bank are being triggered. I looked under too see and they are definately being pulled. Whats happens intermittent at those selections is that when the mech is scanning and the contact block passes the pins, they are reset with a " click " without playing. the mech does not stop at the pulled pins. It just keeps on moving to the next selection. If one of the problem selections happen to be the last one pulled, the mech will scan to it and then stop with a " click ". > > Now, from what I understand from the manual, is that if the pins in the pinbank are being pulled when a selection is made, then the problem is with the pinbank and not in the selection receiver. > > When I say the pins are being pulled, I mean that the pins on the pinbank are moved from rest position. I also looked to make sure they move completely and freely. > > What I also noticed is that if I manually trigger a pin that is at the problem selection, with the mech at rest, the mech starts to scan and also will reset the pin without playing the selection. > > Not sure why the mech will reset a pin without stopping to play that selection. It will miss the selections more than it will actually play them but, they will play intermittent. The jukebox is very unhappy with you. Take the Barry Manilow records out of those slots and replace them with some good doo-wop. Something by the Crests, Dion or the Platters will do the trick. Seriously, this is a puzzler. If the pin doesn't completely move to the selected position, there is a rib on the contact block that could push it to the unselected side but you've checked that. Does it load the record and put it back or cancel immediately as the carriage passes the slot? It sounds to me like a short-circuit to the cancel coil, but I've not seen this before and it is unusual that it is only those selections. Perhaps abraded insulation or a short in the flexible cable between the mech carriage and the hole in the cabinet where it goes to the back door? If I recall correctly the cancel coil works in tandem with the popularity meter coil. Maybe abraded insulation near the popularity meter shorting when the mech is at those selections? Can you verify that the cancel coil is indeed firing? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Mar 30 16:59:25 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Mar 30 17:02:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan Message-ID: <20090330.195925.21321.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Do you have the "record load" switch lever in the "service/off" position? That could cause the combination of problems that you are experiencing? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bnHBTa3Dle2Yr22meelmtcOgZkGOVtBMZzjM0XB7U0Xmg9jnjy/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 17:23:07 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Mar 30 17:24:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan Message-ID: <633344.92984.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> When you say that you "adjusted" the switch, what do you mean ? Did you adjust the switch actuating screw, or the switch contact blades ?? If you did not check the contacts for dirty, pitted, silver points, then use a "Burnishing tool" on them, the may "look" good, but be failing to make good contact .? Measure the resistance (with the power OFF) of the contacts to be sure they are good.? Ron? Rich --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Making a Repair wrote: From: Making a Repair Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 4:07 PM Looking for some input.? I have a wurlitzer 2300 that will not scan. When I make a selection a pin is released in the selector unit.???The wobble plate engages the override switch.???I have confirmed that power is going to the reverse switch.???However, the motor will not spin nor search for the raised pin. I have also confirmed that the motor runs in both directions.???I have got the motor to move in the scan mode but, it only once when I tinkered with the transfer switch.???I have adjusted the transfer switch per the manual but, it still will not scan. Thoughts from anyone. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 17:35:24 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Mar 30 17:37:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" Message-ID: <97105.46532.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Anyone with an original Wurly 1015 can answer this--was there a ""Wurlitzer Decal" on the front glass--or (as my great, but not too long memory informs me) was the name on the background artwork?--See eBay # 150 334 500 929? Ron Rich From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Mar 30 17:54:33 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Mar 30 17:56:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" References: <97105.46532.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c9b19b$41dadf00$2e994c09@ZURNT60> Ron, No 'Wurlitzer' name on my 1015s original background artwork. I don't believe the decal on the glass was originally provided, either. I have seen that decal available (somewhere)... of course... it did come with the 'W'... Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" Hi All, Anyone with an original Wurly 1015 can answer this--was there a ""Wurlitzer Decal" on the front glass--or (as my great, but not too long memory informs me) was the name on the background artwork?--See eBay # 150 334 500 929 Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 18:31:08 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Mon Mar 30 18:32:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" Message-ID: <557559.28269.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, I have had several original 1015's and neither had the Wurlitzer on the glass and certainly not on the backdoor artwork. If my old memory serves me right the original 1015 backdoor art work was really beautiful, sort of embossed as opposed to the plain flat ones reproduced today. I think the reddish appearance is nice but my 1015's all have more of an orange cast from the standard light diffusers of the day. That particular machine has been on Ebay several times. There was a Jukeboxes Unlimited here in Phoenix about 1971. It opened in Metro-Center a bright shiny BIG mall at that time. It was always a pleasure to walk in and admire the wonderful machines. I think the owner was Don Muller. He moved everything to LA. David (in the Geritol Ghetto) --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 6:35 PM > Hi All, > Anyone with an original Wurly 1015 can answer this--was > there a ""Wurlitzer Decal" on the front glass--or (as my > great, but not too long memory informs me) was the name on > the background artwork?--See eBay # 150 334 500 929? Ron > Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From joe400f at shaw.ca Mon Mar 30 19:01:54 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Mon Mar 30 19:03:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G selections intermittent References: <000c01c9b18e$97e88440$ad9b4e18@compaq> <49D159C4.10008@west.net> Message-ID: <002501c9b1a4$aa2a6db0$ad9b4e18@compaq> It does not load a record when this happens. It cancels the selection as the contact block passes the selected pin. It is cancelling because the pin has been reset to the " at rest " position. I looked. No other selections have a problem. What I did notice is that theses selection pins are close to each other in the pinbank. 2 are side by side actually. I am pretty sure all the selections worked properly when it was rebuilt. When I say pretty sure, I could not be completely be sure unless I was looking to see if selections were missed. Hard to tell or suspect if many selections were made and was not checking to see if they actually all played. I stumbled on this problem one night when I made a few selections and only one or two played. Then I was suspicious. So possibly this problem was always there. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G selections intermittent > Joey McDonald wrote: >> I have an intermittent selection problem on my Seeburg G. Selections G8 >> H8 G0 H0 intermittently will not play. I do not remember reading about >> an intermittent selection problem like this on this list. The pinbank >> was rebuilt about 4 years ago. >> >> Let me explain further. There is credits. What is happening is that the >> pins on the pin bank are being triggered. I looked under too see and >> they are definately being pulled. Whats happens intermittent at those >> selections is that when the mech is scanning and the contact block passes >> the pins, they are reset with a " click " without playing. the mech does >> not stop at the pulled pins. It just keeps on moving to the next >> selection. If one of the problem selections happen to be the last one >> pulled, the mech will scan to it and then stop with a " click ". Now, >> from what I understand from the manual, is that if the pins in the >> pinbank are being pulled when a selection is made, then the problem is >> with the pinbank and not in the selection receiver. >> >> When I say the pins are being pulled, I mean that the pins on the pinbank >> are moved from rest position. I also looked to make sure they move >> completely and freely. >> >> What I also noticed is that if I manually trigger a pin that is at the >> problem selection, with the mech at rest, the mech starts to scan and >> also will reset the pin without playing the selection. >> >> Not sure why the mech will reset a pin without stopping to play that >> selection. It will miss the selections more than it will actually play >> them but, they will play intermittent. > > The jukebox is very unhappy with you. Take the Barry Manilow records out > of those slots and replace them with some good doo-wop. Something by the > Crests, Dion or the Platters will do the trick. > > Seriously, this is a puzzler. If the pin doesn't completely move to the > selected position, there is a rib on the contact block that could push it > to the unselected side but you've checked that. Does it load the record > and put it back or cancel immediately as the carriage passes the slot? > It sounds to me like a short-circuit to the cancel coil, but I've not seen > this before and it is unusual that it is only those selections. Perhaps > abraded insulation or a short in the flexible cable between the mech > carriage and the hole in the cabinet where it goes to the back door? If I > recall correctly the cancel coil works in tandem with the popularity meter > coil. Maybe abraded insulation near the popularity meter shorting when > the mech is at those selections? > > Can you verify that the cancel coil is indeed firing? > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 19:11:40 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Mon Mar 30 19:19:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G selections intermittent References: <000c01c9b18e$97e88440$ad9b4e18@compaq> <49D159C4.10008@west.net> <002501c9b1a4$aa2a6db0$ad9b4e18@compaq> Message-ID: <5BD544402F914A838F777D5B534C058F@valued5anxs5vu> Sounds like the pins have become stuff. I'd take the pinbank apart and make sure all the contacts are clean. If you don't know how to do this, ask first!! Those pinbanks can quickly turn into a disaster with small contacts and springs all over if you aren't careful!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joey McDonald" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G selections intermittent > It does not load a record when this happens. It cancels the selection as > the contact block passes the selected pin. It is cancelling because the > pin has been reset to the " at rest " position. I looked. > > No other selections have a problem. What I did notice is that theses > selection pins are close to each other in the pinbank. 2 are side by side > actually. > > I am pretty sure all the selections worked properly when it was rebuilt. > When I say pretty sure, I could not be completely be sure unless I was > looking to see if selections were missed. Hard to tell or suspect if many > selections were made and was not checking to see if they actually all > played. > > I stumbled on this problem one night when I made a few selections and only > one or two played. > Then I was suspicious. So possibly this problem was always there. > > Joey McDonald > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Hennigan" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G selections intermittent > > >> Joey McDonald wrote: >>> I have an intermittent selection problem on my Seeburg G. Selections G8 >>> H8 G0 H0 intermittently will not play. I do not remember reading about >>> an intermittent selection problem like this on this list. The pinbank >>> was rebuilt about 4 years ago. >>> >>> Let me explain further. There is credits. What is happening is that >>> the pins on the pin bank are being triggered. I looked under too see >>> and they are definately being pulled. Whats happens intermittent at >>> those selections is that when the mech is scanning and the contact block >>> passes the pins, they are reset with a " click " without playing. the >>> mech does not stop at the pulled pins. It just keeps on moving to the >>> next selection. If one of the problem selections happen to be the last >>> one pulled, the mech will scan to it and then stop with a " click ". >>> Now, from what I understand from the manual, is that if the pins in the >>> pinbank are being pulled when a selection is made, then the problem is >>> with the pinbank and not in the selection receiver. >>> >>> When I say the pins are being pulled, I mean that the pins on the >>> pinbank are moved from rest position. I also looked to make sure they >>> move completely and freely. >>> >>> What I also noticed is that if I manually trigger a pin that is at the >>> problem selection, with the mech at rest, the mech starts to scan and >>> also will reset the pin without playing the selection. >>> >>> Not sure why the mech will reset a pin without stopping to play that >>> selection. It will miss the selections more than it will actually play >>> them but, they will play intermittent. >> >> The jukebox is very unhappy with you. Take the Barry Manilow records out >> of those slots and replace them with some good doo-wop. Something by the >> Crests, Dion or the Platters will do the trick. >> >> Seriously, this is a puzzler. If the pin doesn't completely move to the >> selected position, there is a rib on the contact block that could push it >> to the unselected side but you've checked that. Does it load the record >> and put it back or cancel immediately as the carriage passes the slot? > > > > > > > >> It sounds to me like a short-circuit to the cancel coil, but I've not >> seen this before and it is unusual that it is only those selections. >> Perhaps abraded insulation or a short in the flexible cable between the >> mech carriage and the hole in the cabinet where it goes to the back door? >> If I recall correctly the cancel coil works in tandem with the popularity >> meter coil. Maybe abraded insulation near the popularity meter shorting >> when the mech is at those selections? >> >> Can you verify that the cancel coil is indeed firing? >> -- >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 19:34:05 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Mar 30 19:35:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" Message-ID: <668314.88250.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jeff, Thanks---I was not sure if I had ever seen it on an "original" before--The German company added one to the re-make "OMT", for awhile that said " the REAL Wurlitzer" ---I think that the later ones just say "Wurlitzer" now in yellow on the glass-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 5:54 PM Ron, No 'Wurlitzer' name on my 1015s original background artwork.? I don't believe the decal on the glass was originally provided, either. I have seen that decal available (somewhere)... of course... it did come with the 'W'... Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" Hi All, Anyone with an original Wurly 1015 can answer this--was there a ""Wurlitzer Decal" on the front glass--or (as my great, but not too long memory informs me) was the name on the background artwork?--See eBay # 150 334 500 929 Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 19:57:10 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Mar 30 19:59:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" Message-ID: <503351.76473.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks to all---BTW--she's still pretty !? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 7:34 PM Jeff, Thanks---I was not sure if I had ever seen it on an "original" before--The German company added one to the re-make "OMT", for awhile that said " the REAL Wurlitzer" ---I think that the later ones just say "Wurlitzer" now in yellow on the glass-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 5:54 PM Ron, No 'Wurlitzer' name on my 1015s original background artwork.? I don't believe the decal on the glass was originally provided, either. I have seen that decal available (somewhere)... of course... it did come with the 'W'... Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" Hi All, Anyone with an original Wurly 1015 can answer this--was there a ""Wurlitzer Decal" on the front glass--or (as my great, but not too long memory informs me) was the name on the background artwork?--See eBay # 150 334 500 929 Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Mon Mar 30 20:29:57 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Mon Mar 30 20:37:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W"/1080? In-Reply-To: <503351.76473.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <503351.76473.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB7FC8197ACD19-B04-453@WEBMAIL-DY10.sysops.aol.com> This is funny, the W decal looked like one I remember from the W1080, so I did a quick search and came across this auction ad for a W1080, check out the PRice!?? Unbelieveable... http://www.goantiques.com/detail,wurlitzer-model-1080,1150406.html EMB -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 7:57 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" Thanks to all---BTW--she's still pretty !? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 7:34 PM Jeff, Thanks---I was not sure if I had ever seen it on an "original" before--The German company added one to the re-make "OMT", for awhile that said " the REAL Wurlitzer" ---I think that the later ones just say "Wurlitzer" now in yellow on the glass-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 5:54 PM Ron, No 'Wurlitzer' name on my 1015s original background artwork.? I don't believe the decal on the glass was originally provided, either. I have seen that decal available (somewhere)... of course... it did come with the 'W'... Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" Hi All, Anyone with an original Wurly 1015 can answer this--was there a ""Wurlitzer Decal" on the front glass--or (as my great, but not too long memory informs me) was the name on the background artwork?--See eBay # 150 334 500 929 Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox -list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 20:48:19 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Mar 30 20:49:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W"/1080? In-Reply-To: <8CB7FC8197ACD19-B04-453@WEBMAIL-DY10.sysops.aol.com> References: <503351.76473.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CB7FC8197ACD19-B04-453@WEBMAIL-DY10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: * >> Status:* Sold << Again. Unbelievable.... :) Thomas On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Ed Baptista wrote: > This is funny, the W decal looked like one I remember from the W1080, so I > did a quick search and came across this auction ad for a > W1080, check out the PRice!?? Unbelieveable... > > http://www.goantiques.com/detail,wurlitzer-model-1080,1150406.html > > > EMB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Rich > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 7:57 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" > > > > Thanks to all---BTW--she's still pretty !? Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 7:34 PM > > Jeff, > Thanks---I was not sure if I had ever seen it on an "original" before--The > German company added one to the re-make "OMT", for awhile that said " the > REAL > Wurlitzer" ---I think that the later ones just say "Wurlitzer" now in > yellow on > the glass-- Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: > > From: Jeff Zurn > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 5:54 PM > > Ron, > No 'Wurlitzer' name on my 1015s original background artwork.? I don't > believe > the decal on the glass was originally provided, either. > > I have seen that decal available (somewhere)... of course... it did come > with > the 'W'... > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:35 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" > > > Hi All, > Anyone with an original Wurly 1015 can answer this--was there a ""Wurlitzer > Decal" on the front glass--or (as my great, but not too long memory informs > me) > was the name on the background artwork?--See eBay # 150 334 500 929 Ron > Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox > -list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jay at west.net Mon Mar 30 21:13:15 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Mar 30 21:14:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G selections intermittent In-Reply-To: <002501c9b1a4$aa2a6db0$ad9b4e18@compaq> References: <000c01c9b18e$97e88440$ad9b4e18@compaq> <49D159C4.10008@west.net> <002501c9b1a4$aa2a6db0$ad9b4e18@compaq> Message-ID: <49D1985B.3050909@west.net> Joey McDonald wrote: > It does not load a record when this happens. It cancels the selection > as the contact block passes the selected pin. It is cancelling because > the pin has been reset to the " at rest " position. I looked. > > No other selections have a problem. What I did notice is that theses > selection pins are close to each other in the pinbank. 2 are side by > side actually. This could be either a mechanical or an electrical problem. Either there is something about those pins or the contact block that is pushing them back mechanically when the block passes (mechanical) or something is causing the reset coil to fire (electrical). I'd verify that the pins indeed move all the way to the selected position and not just far enough to close the common contact to ground. Select G6 G8 G0 H2 and compare the position of the selected pins to ensure that they're the same. This will help to rule out a mechanical problem. Next try disconnecting the wire to the even side cancel coil and select one of the troubled pins. Does the record play? This will verify the electrical issue. I suspect it's mechanical as the cancel coil doesn't fire electrically until after the selection is tripped and the record loaded. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 08:30:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Mar 31 08:33:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W"/1080? Message-ID: <143000.37895.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Got me? Howcomeizit it's still "listed" iffin itz "sold" ? --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W"/1080? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 8:48 PM * >> Status:* Sold? << Again. Unbelievable....???:) Thomas On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Ed Baptista wrote: > This is funny, the W decal looked like one I remember from the W1080, so I > did a quick search and came across this auction ad for a > W1080, check out the PRice!?? Unbelieveable... > > http://www.goantiques.com/detail,wurlitzer-model-1080,1150406.html > > > EMB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Rich > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 7:57 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" > > > > Thanks to all---BTW--she's still pretty !? Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 7:34 PM > > Jeff, > Thanks---I was not sure if I had ever seen it on an "original" before--The > German company added one to the re-make "OMT", for awhile that said " the > REAL > Wurlitzer" ---I think that the later ones just say "Wurlitzer" now in > yellow on > the glass-- Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: > > From: Jeff Zurn > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 5:54 PM > > Ron, > No 'Wurlitzer' name on my 1015s original background artwork.? I don't > believe > the decal on the glass was originally provided, either. > > I have seen that decal available (somewhere)... of course... it did come > with > the 'W'... > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:35 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" > > > Hi All, > Anyone with an original Wurly 1015 can answer this--was there a ""Wurlitzer > Decal" on the front glass--or (as my great, but not too long memory informs > me) > was the name on the background artwork?--See eBay # 150 334 500 929 Ron > Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox > -list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 08:37:07 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Mar 31 08:38:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G selections intermittent Message-ID: <803077.42398.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Gents, This problem is mechanical in nature and AWAYS is the result of an "amateur", or "careless" Solenoid Assembly "rebuild".?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G selections intermittent To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:13 PM Joey McDonald wrote: > It does not load a record when this happens.? It cancels the selection as the contact block passes the selected pin.? It is cancelling because the pin has been reset to the? " at rest "? position.? I looked. > > No other selections have a problem.? What I did notice is that theses selection pins are close to each other in the pinbank.? 2 are side by side actually. This could be either a mechanical or an electrical problem.? Either there is something about those pins or the contact block that is pushing them back mechanically when the block passes (mechanical) or something is causing the reset coil to fire (electrical). I'd verify that the pins indeed move all the way to the selected position and not just far enough to close the common contact to ground.? Select G6 G8 G0 H2 and compare the position of the selected pins to ensure that they're the same.? This will help to rule out a mechanical problem. Next try disconnecting the wire to the even side cancel coil and select one of the troubled pins.? Does the record play?? This will verify the electrical issue. I suspect it's mechanical as the cancel coil doesn't fire electrically until after the selection is tripped and the record loaded. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johndt3 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 08:30:01 2009 From: johndt3 at gmail.com (johndt3) Date: Tue Mar 31 10:29:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSMII continuously rejects record Message-ID: <49D236F9.4060201@gmail.com> You're probably thinking, this is an easy one. Before you assume that, let me tell you what I have already done. First, this is the symptoms. The motor relay pulls in and stays in all the time. The carriage scans to the record picks it up, starts to enter the play position. Before the tonearm reaches the record it rejects and returns the record to the record rack and moves on to the next record and does the same. The motor relay did not release any time during the sequence...If I release the motor relay at the proper time by hand, the relay does not try to pull back and the jukebox will play the record but there is no sound,-it's like the amplifier is muted. Also, if I don't release the motor relay by hand the motor relay releases only when turning the jukebox off and then the motor relay does not release for about 10 seconds after power is off. Obviously, my problem is, one,-the motor relay is not releasing to break the carriage motor and allow it to go into the play possession completely,-so the carriage motor continues to turn and it returns the record to the record rack. And secondly, the amplifier seems to be staying in the muted mode,-this is tied in somehow with the motor relay and the position of the tonearm when it begins to play the record,-I believe it has to do with timing, but I'm not sure. Here are the steps I have taken. 1. Replaced the BS switch and adjusted it with a meter to be sure a proper operation. 2. Adjusted the spring lever to approximately the center position of the dowel, and spun the motor by hand to make sure that the spring lever was returning to the top of the dowel. 3. Unplugged the reject button from the amplifier unit. 4. Tested all components on the scan board.(found C206 to be almost 20% out of tolerance. This was tested with a multimeter capacitor tester and not with a capacitor tester that would put it under its max load. This is tied in with the reject circuit as part of a timing to activate the breaking circuit on the motor. I did not change this capacitor yet because the sequence that should have taken place before the breaking was that the motor relay should have dropped out before the timing circuit comes into play, and the motor relay had not dropped out.) 5. The reject circuit also goes to the control in a central unit to pin 16 of the IC 1. The data sheet for 75468 chip shows pin 16 to be an output,-so I'm completely lost on this one as it goes to the ground side of the motor relay as does all the other reject circuits. 6. Tested T111, R 176, R 168, R 167, and diode 122on both channels of the amplifier as it shows this to be part of the reject circuit. 7. Unplugged the entire reject circuit coming from the carriage to the amplifier unit. (This includes the the tonearm optic switch which I had already replaced.) None of the steps taken allow the motor relay to drop out as it should, and as I said it only dropped out after is the power is turned off and then it took about 10 seconds. I have considered the possibility that the motor relay is magnetized, as it does not pull back in after I release it manually which would make one think that it is magnetized, unless it had a self holding circuit, which it does not. However, at no other time will the relay dropout, unless I turn the jukebox off, and then it takes 8 to 10 seconds each time... consistently. It is not intermittent, also, after talking with a long time NSM repairman,-he said that he had never found one to be magnetized, (nevertheless, I am not ruling this out completely.) I am really lost on this one and could use any help that I can get. I was told that I might want to check the spring lever reset with the motor running instead of doing it manually. I intend to do that, however the jukeboxes in one place and all the components that I have is in another,-so I can't do that until I return to where the jukebox is. I want to be sure that I have done everything that I can with the individual components before driving back across town to the jukebox. Also, trying to troubleshoot their is difficult and inconvenient. Looking forward to any and all suggestions. Thanks John D. Taylor III From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Mar 31 11:47:01 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Mar 31 11:48:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 Message-ID: <27417-49D26525-1574@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> I have the old classic " scans twice , does not select any record" problem on a Seeburg V-200. What a pain in the butt! Problem is definately in the TSR {selection reciever} as it has been substituted with a known good one, and that fixes the problem. I have been thru this thing like crazy. Replacing all electrolytic caps, checking resistor values, changed rectifier, diode checks good, inductors check good. Only things I havnt messed with are those 2 large caps, the 5mfd big square one on the side . and the 300mfd one. I believe these are used in wallbox use only? The points in the relay box look good ad have been cleaned. Whats the case history on these units? Common failure items? Transformers go weak so they wont write in? Tks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 13:07:43 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Mar 31 13:09:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 Message-ID: <712255.5628.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Will it read out ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 3/31/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:47 AM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- I have the old classic " scans twice , does not select any record" problem on a Seeburg V-200.? What a pain in the butt!? Problem is definately in the TSR {selection reciever} as it has been substituted with a known good one, and that fixes the problem.? I have been thru this thing like crazy.? Replacing all electrolytic caps, checking resistor values, changed rectifier, diode checks good, inductors check good. Only things I havnt messed with are those 2 large caps, the 5mfd big square one on the side . and the 300mfd one. I believe these are used in wallbox use only????The points in the relay box look good ad have been cleaned.? Whats the case history on these units?? Common failure items????Transformers go weak so they wont write in????Tks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Mar 31 13:12:02 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Mar 31 13:15:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 References: <27417-49D26525-1574@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <000b01c9b23c$f502e7c0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> You didn't say which receiver you have (TSR1 or TSR3). Are you swapping the pulse amplifier and credit unit as well? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 >I have the old classic " scans twice , does not select any record" > problem on a Seeburg V-200. What a pain in the butt! Problem is > definately in the TSR {selection reciever} as it has been substituted > with a known good one, and that fixes the problem. I have been thru > this thing like crazy. Replacing all electrolytic caps, checking > resistor values, changed rectifier, diode checks good, inductors check > good. Only things I havnt messed with are those 2 large caps, the 5mfd > big square one on the side . and the 300mfd one. I believe these are > used in wallbox use only? The points in the relay box look good ad > have been cleaned. Whats the case history on these units? Common > failure items? Transformers go weak so they wont write in? Tks, Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 13:17:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Mar 31 13:19:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 Message-ID: <670991.64191.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, I just noticed--do you have a "V-200" or a, "V-200X" or a " VL-200"--The TSR-1 and the TSR-3 are not interchangeable--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 1:07 PM Jim, Will it read out ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 3/31/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:47 AM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- I have the old classic " scans twice , does not select any record" problem on a Seeburg V-200.? What a pain in the butt!? Problem is definately in the TSR {selection reciever} as it has been substituted with a known good one, and that fixes the problem.? I have been thru this thing like crazy.? Replacing all electrolytic caps, checking resistor values, changed rectifier, diode checks good, inductors check good. Only things I havnt messed with are those 2 large caps, the 5mfd big square one on the side . and the 300mfd one. I believe these are used in wallbox use only????The points in the relay box look good ad have been cleaned.? Whats the case history on these units?? Common failure items????Transformers go weak so they wont write in????Tks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From wurlitzeronthefritz at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 15:12:53 2009 From: wurlitzeronthefritz at gmail.com (Making a Repair) Date: Tue Mar 31 15:14:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan In-Reply-To: <633344.92984.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <633344.92984.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92727260903311512p6f30bafbma33a2c8928a70a3b@mail.gmail.com> I adjusted the switch per the manual. I also clean the contacts using thick paper. I will check the resistance of the contacts. One thing I discovered last night was the cancel switch activated the entire cycle. Thanks, On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > When you say that you "adjusted" the switch, what do you mean ? Did you > adjust the switch actuating screw, or the switch contact blades ? If you > did not check the contacts for dirty, pitted, silver points, then use a > "Burnishing tool" on them, the may "look" good, but be failing to make good > contact . Measure the resistance (with the power OFF) of the contacts to be > sure they are good. Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Making a Repair > wrote: > > From: Making a Repair > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 4:07 PM > > Looking for some input. I have a wurlitzer 2300 that will not scan. > > When I make a selection a pin is released in the selector unit. The > wobble > plate engages the override switch. I have confirmed that power is going > to > the reverse switch. However, the motor will not spin nor search for the > raised pin. > > I have also confirmed that the motor runs in both directions. I have got > the motor to move in the scan mode but, it only once when I tinkered with > the transfer switch. I have adjusted the transfer switch per the manual > but, it still will not scan. > > Thoughts from anyone. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Mar 31 17:13:47 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Mar 31 17:15:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 In-Reply-To: Ron Rich 's message of Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <18633-49D2B1BB-326@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> It will read out . The battery test energises all toroids and it stops, trips and plays every single one. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Mar 31 17:34:08 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Mar 31 17:35:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 In-Reply-To: 's message of Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:12:02 -0400 Message-ID: <18625-49D2B680-1124@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> The jukebox that has the problem is a VL . The selection reciever installed in it is a TSR 3 . The TSR 3 can be read from a ID tag on the unit. The other selection reciever unit we used was out of a V-200, not a VL. and it worked. We verified by substitution that the pulse amp and credit unit are not the problem. The problem is in the selection reciever itself somewhere. The only difference I noted when we swapped entire selection recievers around was that the one from the V does not have an ID tag on it. Also , the one from the V has a different hook up for reject than the TSR 3 one in the VL. So, which selection reciever is supposed to be installed in a VL ? If some are not interchangeable, the one from the V works fine. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 17:53:49 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Mar 31 17:55:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 Message-ID: <701352.56673.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Apparently you have two TSR-3's. The one with the plug for the reject switch is a Code A, and the one with the terminal strip is a Code B. The TSR-3 is for either a "VX" or "VL" model, while the V model takes a TSR-1. If I recall right, Seeburg started silk screening the nomenclature onto the chassis underneath the DCU area, starting with the code B units.? The code B TSR-3 has a few added test points, along with that terminal strip change, but is 99.9% the same as a code A unit, see the Service Manual. Be sure that there are no loose "jumpers" on the "test points", recheck the "clipping diode", and the WI cap. Look for resistors that have changed value, "dirty" plug(s)---like you said, "gotta be there". Ron Rich --- On Tue, 3/31/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 5:34 PM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- The jukebox that has the problem is a VL .? The selection reciever installed in it is a TSR 3 .? The TSR 3 can be read from a ID tag on the unit.? The other selection reciever unit we used was out of a V-200, not a VL.? and it worked.? We verified by substitution that the pulse amp and credit unit are not the problem. The problem is in the selection reciever itself somewhere.? The only difference I noted when we swapped entire selection recievers around was that the one from the V does not have an ID tag on it. Also , the one from the V has a different hook up for reject than the TSR 3 one in the VL.? So, which selection reciever is supposed to be installed in a VL ????If some are not interchangeable, the one from the V works fine. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Mar 31 18:41:52 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Mar 31 18:43:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 In-Reply-To: Ron Rich 's message of Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <29407-49D2C660-1848@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Ron, your correct, the TSR out of my V is a code B , under the DCU. The reject is different than the other one exactly as you describe. What is the WI capacitor? And are the 2 big caps I mentioned even used in write-in ? { 5 MFD big square metal case one, and the 300MFD cap} ? I will try cleaning the links good , checking resistor values , etc. Have you ever seen many of those small ceramic disc caps go bad on these? Usually they are pretty reliable. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 19:33:30 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Mar 31 19:35:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 Message-ID: <27923.77069.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, The two big caps are stepper related, as you said---I have not seen too many discs go bad--except for the "Solar" branded ones, which I don't think were used in that unit. The WI cap is a .068/600 "paper". Ron Rich --- On Tue, 3/31/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 6:41 PM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Ron, your correct, the TSR out of my V is a code B , under the DCU. The reject is different than the other one exactly as you describe. What is the WI capacitor?? And are the 2 big caps I mentioned even used in write-in ?? { 5 MFD big square? metal case one, and the 300MFD cap}? ? I will try cleaning the links good , checking resistor values , etc.? Have you ever seen many of those small ceramic disc caps go bad on these? Usually they are pretty reliable.? Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Mar 31 21:26:31 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Mar 31 21:28:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 In-Reply-To: Ron Rich 's message of Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <29407-49D2ECF7-2116@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Thanks Ron, the .068 is one of the first I replaced as I think its used in the write-in mode. Just for curiosity , why is it called the "wi" cap.? jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From pinballrepair at paradise.net.nz Tue Mar 31 21:45:12 2009 From: pinballrepair at paradise.net.nz (Iain Jamieson) Date: Tue Mar 31 21:53:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC480 Reversing relay In-Reply-To: <20090331190004.1FC26AAECD@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090331190004.1FC26AAECD@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <49D2F158.2060107@paradise.net.nz> Hi, I have an LPC480 that is having a problem with the Reversing relay switches mounted on the Mechanism. Problem is about 40% of the time when the relay activates to change mechanism direction, there is a large spark in the top set of make and break switches. This also causes the Fluorescent tubes to flick off and come back on. It only does it when changing from left scan to right scan direction. I have checked the switches and the bottom switch breaks before the top switch makes. Anyone have any suggestions on this? Thanks Iain From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Tue Mar 31 23:56:21 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Wed Apr 1 00:04:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 References: <701352.56673.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <222340.15712.qm@web86712.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I know this might seem a bit obvious - but have you checked that you have the write-in voltage in the TSR?? I don't have any diagrams to hand but I think it's around 150 volts and half the value of the read-out voltage which you obviously have. Norman. ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wednesday, 1 April, 2009 1:53:49 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 Jim, Apparently you have two TSR-3's. The one with the plug for the reject switch is a Code A, and the one with the terminal strip is a Code B. The TSR-3 is for either a "VX" or "VL" model, while the V model takes a TSR-1. If I recall right, Seeburg started silk screening the nomenclature onto the chassis underneath the DCU area, starting with the code B units.? The code B TSR-3 has a few added test points, along with that terminal strip change, but is 99.9% the same as a code A unit, see the Service Manual. Be sure that there are no loose "jumpers" on the "test points", recheck the "clipping diode", and the WI cap. Look for resistors that have changed value, "dirty" plug(s)---like you said, "gotta be there". Ron Rich --- On Tue, 3/31/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 5:34 PM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- The jukebox that has the problem is a VL .? The selection reciever installed in it is a TSR 3 .? The TSR 3 can be read from a ID tag on the unit.? The other selection reciever unit we used was out of a V-200, not a VL.? and it worked.? We verified by substitution that the pulse amp and credit unit are not the problem. The problem is in the selection reciever itself somewhere.? The only difference I noted when we swapped entire selection recievers around was that the one from the V does not have an ID tag on it. Also , the one from the V has a different hook up for reject than the TSR 3 one in the VL.? So, which selection reciever is supposed to be installed in a VL ????If some are not interchangeable, the one from the V works fine. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list