From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 1 01:43:02 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Mon Jun 1 01:44:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Listings on Pittsburgh Craigslist In-Reply-To: <0BA9B7436528476C890B6898FFBEF8BA@home> References: <0BA9B7436528476C890B6898FFBEF8BA@home> Message-ID: I don't see the continental. Is it still up? ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Roths" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Listings on Pittsburgh Craigslist > There is a Rockola 1488 and an AMI Continental 2 posted on the Pittsburgh, > PA Craigslist. Take a look if interested. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Mon Jun 1 04:59:37 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David Guarino) Date: Mon Jun 1 05:02:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 850 on eBay? How many zero's..... Message-ID: <1692AD6030FD4239943F9A206557FFE9@DavidPC> eBay item 330334754255 Maybe I'll just get tropical fish. From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Mon Jun 1 06:32:16 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Mon Jun 1 06:34:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted: Wurtlizer 2600 Top Ten Tunes Unit References: Message-ID: Chris I may have I will check to see if I do. I bought a lot of Kits from Wurlitzer distributor and There was some NEW top ten unit around that vintage I will let you know what I find. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND > Does anybody have for sale, or know where I could buy, a top ten tunes > unit for my wurlitzer 2600 ? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jun 1 08:18:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jun 1 08:20:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fwd: Smoke test Message-ID: <29028.95335.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, You got it--congrats !? (now all we gotta do is wait for the world to catch up !)? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 5/31/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fwd: Smoke test To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 11:04 PM I think I grasp your concept-----use a fast-acting transformer in order to protect a slo-blo fuse? Just for grins, there was somebody on E Bay about a month ago selling misc. junk jukebox parts.? He had some "genuine" Seeburg blown GMQ-type fuses.???Wonder if he had any takers? JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Grow your small business with email marketing. 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To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 4:59 AM eBay item 330334754255 Maybe I'll just get tropical fish. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From EJoh100112 at aol.com Mon Jun 1 08:40:57 2009 From: EJoh100112 at aol.com (EJoh100112@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 1 08:43:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 850 on eBay? How many zero's..... Message-ID: I had some experience with this guy. He beat down the price on an item I had listed. After negotiations and all details worked out, I'm still waiting on the money. Wasting my time is not the way I do business. Ed _http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list_ (http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list) **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377040x1201454360/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jun 1 10:18:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jun 1 10:19:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) Message-ID: <446950.60415.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Julie, If you had "selected" songs, there is no problem, as the phono is designed to play any or all of the songs (pre)selected--forever.? The problem is caused when one leaves the "select light" (and thus the "latchbar solenoid" energized) on. The solenoid itself is not designed for constant duty, as it was assumed that in commercial use, no one would "abandon" the opportunity to "select" ( and thus "use up" the credit(s) they had paid for). Hope that clears that up--- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Julie Mitchell wrote: From: Julie Mitchell Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 9:27 PM Thanks, Jim!? That's helpful info. I was able to exhaust all the credits this afternoon, so the countdown is working.? I think what happened is that I racked up a bunch of credits in advance so that people wouldn't be asking me "how come I can't play any songs" every five minutes, and I had no idea this would damage the machine.? This was my first party with this machine, and it went and embarrassed me by almost catching fire :( Anyway, I'm going to see if I can yank the box out of the thing and either send it to Ron or drive it out to PR Novelty. Thanks again, Julie On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Julie: > If you are still looking for a jukebox technician to come out your house to look at your Seeburg M100 B jukebox, rather than work on it yourself, the Jukebox Collector Magazine occasionally lists a national directory of independent jukebox technicians that are willing to provide service for others.. ?There are 2 names listed for the state of WI. ? One is a company called Antique Electronics PH 920 434 3489. ? The one line ad says they are in Green Bay. > The second company listed does not make house calls. You need to bring jukebox electronic components to them for service. ? Possibly if you phone them they may know of ?a good local tech that can assist you with in-home service. ? This company is PR Novelty in Milwaukee WI. ?PH 414 476 8474. ?Ask for Paul. > The others on this forum that have given you advice about the overheating solenoid are correct. By the time you see/smell smoke it's usually too late to save the one that you have. ?But here's another dime's worth of advice that might prove helpful...... ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? If you have a free play button installed on your juke, pressing the button should give you a certain number of play credits that count down, where the "select" light eventually turns off and the letter/number buttons are de-activated,until the free play button is pushed again. ? ?Maybe from your party, the "countdown" function is no longer working, which is leaving the "select" circuit energized fulltime, which then overheated the solenoid coil. > Ask the servicer that you work with to be aware of this and to check it out. ?The countdown device is called the credit control unit and it is located on the wired selection receiver chassis, one of the 2 large chassis mounted on the back door of your jukebox. ? ? ?The add-on electronic device everybody is talking about here will do away with the free play button, the credit countdown unit, and worries about leaving the select solenoid on for too loong a time. ? This device will energize the keyboard whenever one letter/number is pushed, and unlatches after the second button gets pushed, which registers a selection. > Hope this helps, > JIm Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Get your dream car or truck. Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRV4GVmIhusQrEGab6jiQ1Z9Ecmvjjg4uLIah15dNSmPnufXRAE/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Jun 1 11:42:52 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Jun 1 12:02:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 Message-ID: Hi all, I was offered a Top Ten Tunes unit from a Wurlitzer 3410, and I wanted to know if it will work in my Wurlitzer 2600 ? Are there any issues here ? How do these things work ? Is it something like a stepper ? Chris From pinball at telus.net Mon Jun 1 12:27:13 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Jun 1 12:28:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A242B91.3010308@telus.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > > Hi all, > > I was offered a Top Ten Tunes unit from a Wurlitzer 3410, and I wanted > to know if it will work in my Wurlitzer 2600 ? > > Are there any issues here ? How do these things work ? Is it something > like a stepper ? > > Chris Hi Chris, It can't work, totally different mechanisms between the 2600 and 3410 (actually anything after 3400). John :-#(# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From roywdean at cox.net Mon Jun 1 12:57:11 2009 From: roywdean at cox.net (Roy Dean) Date: Mon Jun 1 12:58:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Does anybody have any Wurlitzer 2304titlestripholders? References: <1C1FC7CEAA4849AFA0281D99F7AC782B@PAW><0c5bcc677322e55006236e1ff0d3a25b@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <6F81E640DEF8459D91FEA423D177C8D2@PAW> Dana: I do have the 4 Plastic program holder for your 2304 price is $65 each requires new decal which is $25 plus S&H There are Original and not repo however the decals are new. Just give me a call. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 1 13:01:45 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Jun 1 13:03:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100B Selection Problem Message-ID: I'm currently working on a B that the original problem was selector buttons stayed latched. I removed the selector and adjusted the switches, and that solved that problem. While I was at it I also removed and cleaned the CCU checked contacts for proper gap, replaced caps, etc. Now when I establish a credit, make a selection, it takes off the credit but wont pull a pin on the bank. All 100 selections but no pin pull. If I manually pull a pin, the mech does start and plays that selection. I've checked and re-checked timing relay and cam switches everything by the book. Fuses are good and no broken wires as far as I can tell. I even tried a known working pinbank and still pins don't move. Selenium rectifier had been replaced by someone previous but is good with proper voltage. I've used the picture troubleshooting flowcharts backward and I can't figure out what I'm overlooking. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 1 13:09:30 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 1 13:12:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 Message-ID: <20090601.160930.22507.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Chris: What you're calling the top tunes unit, I assume you're referring to the Golden Bar where you can push one button and for a certain credit, and play 10 pre selected titles in a group. This device does not work like a stepper unit. In general, this is an electro-mechanically operated kit consisting of 3 components---a control chassis,mounted on the floor of the jukebox that is plugged into the selector drum, the lit top tunes pushbutton module that's installed on the keyboard, and a motor or solenoid drive unit that's installed on the exterior of the pin bank chassis. The drive unit engaged a mechanical ,10-finger "claw" that would release the 10 top tunes pins, outside of the normal pin-release circuitry in the pin bank. Normally this kit needed to be ordered as an installed option from wurlitzer when buying a new jukebox. The correct golden bar kit could be retrofitted in the field to a non-equipped juke,but the project will take some effort. The spacing/placement of pins is different on some Wurl. jukes, so only a few kit interchanges are possible. The 3410 kit you're asking about won't fit a 2600. Your 2600 is a 200-play machine. You should try to locate a 2600 top tunes/Golden Bar kit. You can probably make the top tunes kit from a 2700, 2800 etc electrically fit your machine, but the later golden bar button assembly wont fit your 2600 keyboard bezel. These were cosmetically different for every model. The top tunes kit from a 100-play juke (i.e. 2610,2710,etc) won't be compatible because the spacing of the pin fingers on the "claw" are arc'ed differently and spaced wider to fit the 100-play pinbank. The last Wurl carousel vertical-play mechanism was the 3300. The 3400-up jukeboxes used the wurlamatic mechanism where the pinbank operation is different than the carousel models. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZXsmEqXsOnMeTZQHl1uyIkMza2XSQKjkjSvGG4hCEqZLFDW3J8Bq/ From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Jun 1 13:16:18 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Jun 1 13:18:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 In-Reply-To: <4A242B91.3010308@telus.net> References: <4A242B91.3010308@telus.net> Message-ID: Do you have any parts yourself for a wurlitzer 2600 ? I noticed ur in BC, and I'm in Ontario so shipping would be fast. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 > Chris Ralph wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I was offered a Top Ten Tunes unit from a Wurlitzer 3410, and I wanted to >> know if it will work in my Wurlitzer 2600 ? >> >> Are there any issues here ? How do these things work ? Is it something >> like a stepper ? >> >> Chris > > Hi Chris, > > It can't work, totally different mechanisms between the 2600 and 3410 > (actually anything after 3400). > > John :-#(# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Mon Jun 1 13:28:01 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Jun 1 13:29:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 In-Reply-To: References: <4A242B91.3010308@telus.net> Message-ID: <4A2439D1.7030601@telus.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > > Do you have any parts yourself for a wurlitzer 2600 ? I noticed ur in > BC, and I'm in Ontario so shipping would be fast. > > Chris > Hi Chris, Yes, I have lots of used and NOS parts for older Wurlitzers - including some of the Top Tunes parts (maybe all?). The Top Tunes was a kit and involved a motor driven module that selected the pins, a small relay box, the Top Tunes button assembly, and the cables. It is not inexpensive. John :-#)# > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model > in a 2600 > > >> Chris Ralph wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I was offered a Top Ten Tunes unit from a Wurlitzer 3410, and I >>> wanted to know if it will work in my Wurlitzer 2600 ? >>> >>> Are there any issues here ? How do these things work ? Is it >>> something like a stepper ? >>> >>> Chris >> >> Hi Chris, >> >> It can't work, totally different mechanisms between the 2600 and 3410 >> (actually anything after 3400). >> >> John :-#(# >> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just >> flip out" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Jun 1 13:34:13 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Jun 1 13:35:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 In-Reply-To: <20090601.160930.22507.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090601.160930.22507.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <16E81297C74942289BB680F1AC84B355@CHRISLAPTOP> Jim, That's great to know all the details. If I understand right the golden bar kit has it's own motor to turn the carousel to the correct position, and then a claw to push down all 10 selections at once ? (like if I pushed 10 pins in row manualy with my fingers) The whole mechanism is independant of the normal selection mech ? (as far as selecting the pins) Btw, what does the "service" switch on the chassis do ? It appears to just kill power to the selection mechanism - is this correct ? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 Chris: What you're calling the top tunes unit, I assume you're referring to the Golden Bar where you can push one button and for a certain credit, and play 10 pre selected titles in a group. This device does not work like a stepper unit. In general, this is an electro-mechanically operated kit consisting of 3 components---a control chassis,mounted on the floor of the jukebox that is plugged into the selector drum, the lit top tunes pushbutton module that's installed on the keyboard, and a motor or solenoid drive unit that's installed on the exterior of the pin bank chassis. The drive unit engaged a mechanical ,10-finger "claw" that would release the 10 top tunes pins, outside of the normal pin-release circuitry in the pin bank. Normally this kit needed to be ordered as an installed option from wurlitzer when buying a new jukebox. The correct golden bar kit could be retrofitted in the field to a non-equipped juke,but the project will take some effort. The spacing/placement of pins is different on some Wurl. jukes, so only a few kit interchanges are possible. The 3410 kit you're asking about won't fit a 2600. Your 2600 is a 200-play machine. You should try to locate a 2600 top tunes/Golden Bar kit. You can probably make the top tunes kit from a 2700, 2800 etc electrically fit your machine, but the later golden bar button assembly wont fit your 2600 keyboard bezel. These were cosmetically different for every model. The top tunes kit from a 100-play juke (i.e. 2610,2710,etc) won't be compatible because the spacing of the pin fingers on the "claw" are arc'ed differently and spaced wider to fit the 100-play pinbank. The last Wurl carousel vertical-play mechanism was the 3300. The 3400-up jukeboxes used the wurlamatic mechanism where the pinbank operation is different than the carousel models. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZXsmEqXsOnMeTZQHl1uyIkMza2XSQKjkjSvGG4hCEqZLFDW3J8Bq/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Jun 1 13:57:43 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Jun 1 13:59:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) Message-ID: <127051.17994.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Julie Mitchell wrote: > I was able to exhaust all the credits this afternoon, so > the countdown > is working.? I think what happened is that I racked up > a bunch of > credits in advance so that people wouldn't be asking me > "how come I > can't play any songs" every five minutes, and I had no idea > this would > damage the machine.? Does the M100-B have a credit accumulator? I thought it had the same credit unit as the M100-A. From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Jun 1 14:00:52 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Jun 1 14:02:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 In-Reply-To: <4A2439D1.7030601@telus.net> References: <4A242B91.3010308@telus.net> <4A2439D1.7030601@telus.net> Message-ID: If you have all the parts for the top tunes on a 2600 let me know price and details. I'm not worried about cost within reason. This is a keeper not a seller. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 > Chris Ralph wrote: >> >> Do you have any parts yourself for a wurlitzer 2600 ? I noticed ur in BC, >> and I'm in Ontario so shipping would be fast. >> >> Chris >> > Hi Chris, > > Yes, I have lots of used and NOS parts for older Wurlitzers - including > some of the Top Tunes parts (maybe all?). > > The Top Tunes was a kit and involved a motor driven module that selected > the pins, a small relay box, the Top Tunes button assembly, and the > cables. > > It is not inexpensive. > > John :-#)# >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in >> a 2600 >> >> >>> Chris Ralph wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I was offered a Top Ten Tunes unit from a Wurlitzer 3410, and I wanted >>>> to know if it will work in my Wurlitzer 2600 ? >>>> >>>> Are there any issues here ? How do these things work ? Is it something >>>> like a stepper ? >>>> >>>> Chris >>> >>> Hi Chris, >>> >>> It can't work, totally different mechanisms between the 2600 and 3410 >>> (actually anything after 3400). >>> >>> John :-#(# >>> >>> -- >>> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >>> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >>> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just >>> flip out" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Mon Jun 1 14:23:26 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jun 1 14:25:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A2446CE.9010600@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > Hi all, > > I was offered a Top Ten Tunes unit from a Wurlitzer 3410, and I wanted > to know if it will work in my Wurlitzer 2600 ? Probably not, or not without some modification. > Are there any issues here ? How do these things work ? Is it something > like a stepper ? Not exactly. There are three major parts. One is the actual "Golden Bar" button and switch assembly that mounts near the pricing label and coin scavenger button. Another is the control box that mounts inside the juke, either on the floor or on the wall near the Playrak. The third is the motor and pin pusher (probably not the actual name but you get the idea). This bolts to the outside of the selector and consists of a small motor similar to the remote volume motors and a curved assembly that fits around a section of the selector assembly, as well as a leaf switch to sense position. . Operation is as follows: Customer deposits enough credits for "Top Tunes", typically a half dollar. Control box lights up the button and allows button operation. If other selections are made from the keyboard, the light goes out. If the button is pushed, voltage is applied to the motor which runs through a worm gear to push (originally) ten selector pins, then return to normal. Credits are cleared from Playrak. There are at least two variants of the pin pusher, one plays A and B sides of five records and the other plays A sides of ten records. The A-sides-of-ten-records variant is more common. Often operators would break off two of the pushers to give eight selections instead of the original ten. I suspect that the 3400 series unit won't work in a 2600 because: 1. The plugs Wurlitzer used were in a state of flux from octal style to Molex. 2. Electrical variations between those models were substantial. 3. Mechanical arrangement of the keyboard and price label cabinet area may require a different shape of button (not sure). 4. If I recall correctly the 3400 was the first to use the Wurl-A-Matic mech with a different style of pin-pusher and the horizontal platter. If so the mechanics of the pin pusher will be way different. Not sure, maybe the 3400 still used the vertical platter? There may also be mechanical differences in the pin pusher between 100 and 200-play mechs. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 1 14:42:35 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 1 14:45:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 Message-ID: <20090601.174235.27573.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Chris: The "claw" we were talking about, is a part of the top tunes unit that mounts on the pin bank at the base of your carousel changer. When the top tunes circuit is activated the solenoid operating this claw will "pop" all 10 selector pins at once. I believe it is usually set up to pull all of the "odd" E numbers. (i.e. E1, E3, etc. ) It is mechanically similar to you selecting 10 letter number buttons simultaneously, if it were possible to do that. (it's not) The top tunes unit operates independently of the letter-number selection system. It does connect to the playrak (credit accumulator) of your 2600. A certain amount of money needed to be deposited in order to energize the Golden Bar feature. The customer could choose to press the Golden Bar once to hear the "top ten" or they could make 10 individual selections the usual way. There also should be an octal socket on the pin bank chassis of your juke marked "top tunes". There should be a jumper plug plugged into this socket now. The Golden Bar insert should fit into the front panel insert next to the coin slot on your 2600. The later model 5220 wallbox we talked about yesterday can or is equipped with a Golden bar button in order to remotely trip the top tunes feature on the 2900-up juke models. I don't believe you can accomplish this on a 2600 machine, assuming that the 5220 will communicate the letter/number selection pulses to your machine. The purpose of the service on/off switch on your juke's control chassis is to turn the changer robotics motor on and off manually. This is for the benefit of a service technician. There are some repair/adjustments that need to be made while stopping the changer in mid-cycle. Good luck with your Golden bar conversion. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6uW2WEINa6CsJVqoB4NY8KjBqKysgYJ3KXZYy5RSpGfhk3ZKxS/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 1 14:59:11 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 1 15:01:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 Message-ID: <20090601.175911.27573.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Jay: The W3400 "statesman" was the first juke to use the wurlamatic flat play mech. The top tunes kits used with the Wurlamatic changers are not mechanically compatible to the older carousel models. Wurlamatic pin banks are different in their construction. Their theory of operation is similar. The physical spacing of the 100-play and 200-play top tunes solenoid(or motor) -operated "claw" fingers differ. This is why there's not interchangeability between these kits. The size, and style of the backlit Golden Bar button modules differ for just about every model year of juke. To make this fit and work well, Chris really needs to find a 2600 Top Tunes kit. It sounds like John Robertson can help him with all the right pieces and parts. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click now to find great remedies for hangovers! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYX6cRgezGxX8S7iYCiLdIgBZV33fcLQLsytxHqWdQtXsiRQ9Hn1Ik/ From rbaker136984mi at comcast.net Mon Jun 1 15:00:38 2009 From: rbaker136984mi at comcast.net (RON BAKER) Date: Mon Jun 1 15:05:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 References: <20090601.174235.27573.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <012001c9e304$6694ec60$f4e9d042@ronbaker> HI CHRIS, I THINK !! I have the parts you want for your 2600. if I sent this to the right address let me know. and I will send some pic. thank you Ron Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 Chris: The "claw" we were talking about, is a part of the top tunes unit that mounts on the pin bank at the base of your carousel changer. When the top tunes circuit is activated the solenoid operating this claw will "pop" all 10 selector pins at once. I believe it is usually set up to pull all of the "odd" E numbers. (i.e. E1, E3, etc. ) It is mechanically similar to you selecting 10 letter number buttons simultaneously, if it were possible to do that. (it's not) The top tunes unit operates independently of the letter-number selection system. It does connect to the playrak (credit accumulator) of your 2600. A certain amount of money needed to be deposited in order to energize the Golden Bar feature. The customer could choose to press the Golden Bar once to hear the "top ten" or they could make 10 individual selections the usual way. There also should be an octal socket on the pin bank chassis of your juke marked "top tunes". There should be a jumper plug plugged into this socket now. The Golden Bar insert should fit into the front panel insert next to the coin slot on your 2600. The later model 5220 wallbox we talked about yesterday can or is equipped with a Golden bar button in order to remotely trip the top tunes feature on the 2900-up juke models. I don't believe you can accomplish this on a 2600 machine, assuming that the 5220 will communicate the letter/number selection pulses to your machine. The purpose of the service on/off switch on your juke's control chassis is to turn the changer robotics motor on and off manually. This is for the benefit of a service technician. There are some repair/adjustments that need to be made while stopping the changer in mid-cycle. Good luck with your Golden bar conversion. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6uW2WEINa6CsJVqoB4NY8KjBqKysgYJ3KXZYy5RSpGfhk3ZKxS/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rbaker136984mi at comcast.net Mon Jun 1 14:57:15 2009 From: rbaker136984mi at comcast.net (RON BAKER) Date: Mon Jun 1 15:05:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 References: <20090601.174235.27573.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <011301c9e303$f029fb60$f4e9d042@ronbaker> Ron Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 Chris: The "claw" we were talking about, is a part of the top tunes unit that mounts on the pin bank at the base of your carousel changer. When the top tunes circuit is activated the solenoid operating this claw will "pop" all 10 selector pins at once. I believe it is usually set up to pull all of the "odd" E numbers. (i.e. E1, E3, etc. ) It is mechanically similar to you selecting 10 letter number buttons simultaneously, if it were possible to do that. (it's not) The top tunes unit operates independently of the letter-number selection system. It does connect to the playrak (credit accumulator) of your 2600. A certain amount of money needed to be deposited in order to energize the Golden Bar feature. The customer could choose to press the Golden Bar once to hear the "top ten" or they could make 10 individual selections the usual way. There also should be an octal socket on the pin bank chassis of your juke marked "top tunes". There should be a jumper plug plugged into this socket now. The Golden Bar insert should fit into the front panel insert next to the coin slot on your 2600. The later model 5220 wallbox we talked about yesterday can or is equipped with a Golden bar button in order to remotely trip the top tunes feature on the 2900-up juke models. I don't believe you can accomplish this on a 2600 machine, assuming that the 5220 will communicate the letter/number selection pulses to your machine. The purpose of the service on/off switch on your juke's control chassis is to turn the changer robotics motor on and off manually. This is for the benefit of a service technician. There are some repair/adjustments that need to be made while stopping the changer in mid-cycle. Good luck with your Golden bar conversion. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6uW2WEINa6CsJVqoB4NY8KjBqKysgYJ3KXZYy5RSpGfhk3ZKxS/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Jun 1 15:18:01 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Jun 1 15:19:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp References: <803330400905201246y34384686hcbe82e0c92b0111c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001c01c9e306$d3e52ad0$e2e24109@ZURNT60> JE, Try Jim Farago in Minneapolis - I know he is into the mid-late 40s Wurlie Amps but he may be able to assist you on yours His contact information - 612 722 0708 Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "JE" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 600 amp > I'm in the Minneapolis Area. Bill and Mike, you are correct, I don't > have > any experience working on vintage electronics. > I know a few things here and there, but I will have no problems sending > out > the Amp to be rebuilt. > I really was just curious about troubleshooting the problem to begin with > speaker, amp etc. > > I have a hand written receipt from 1981 when my Dad had the 600 repaired. > The amp was rebuilt then, it's probably where the 854 amp came from. > Other > than that, it is still in great shape, > I think it probably needs a little bit of lubrication and elbow grease > here > and there. I'm not sure about the > tonearm cartridge, but it is rather heavy and the needle look like steel. > Thanks for the replies, this is exactly the type of information I was > hoping > to get here. > > Jon > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Art Joly wrote: > >> Another way to tell if the tubes are "lit" is to touch them (careful they >> may get hot after a few min) right after they are plugged in to >> >> see if they get warm (bad tubes will be cold >> )-works on the metal tubes were you can't see the tubes insides. >> Ps were are you? Maybe some one near can help... >> Lynn >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Mon Jun 1 15:16:05 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David G..) Date: Mon Jun 1 15:28:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a W2610 with the Top Tunes option. There is nothing mounted on the mech. I have what is called an "Automatic Programing Assembly Top Tunes selector". It resembles a 261 stepper. Plastic cover and all. The wiring is shared with the coin mech and the selector assembly (keyboard) and mech (electric selector) and more from what I can see from here. In the manual it is described on page 32 item 6. Page 51 for parts (fig 86). I believe it is called "Kit 162 A&C" for the 2600 and "Kit 162 B&D" for the 2610. It has a motor and a contact plate incorporated, even a clear plastic cover like a stepper. Matter of fact the cover is called a stepper cover. The Top Tunes selector has a break down but no part number for the assembly that I can find. When you select The "Top Tunes" button it activates the selector motor which turns the contact plate and makes the circuits for the 10 records. It will select records A1-K1. It sounds like a little machine gun when it does! There is no mention of any parts for either the 2600 nor the 2610 that mount on either model selector. The 2700 manual has one listed and my 2710 has the top ten mechanism mounted on the electric selector. Whether or not one of the later top tunes assemblies will mount up is beyond me. David G.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Ralph" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 > Hi all, > > I was offered a Top Ten Tunes unit from a Wurlitzer 3410, and I wanted to > know if it will work in my Wurlitzer 2600 ? > > Are there any issues here ? How do these things work ? Is it something > like a stepper ? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jun 1 15:37:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jun 1 15:39:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) Message-ID: <475081.2562.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave, Same as all the CCU's--single price for singe coin--"select after EACH coin" Ron Rich --- On Mon, 6/1/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Help me keep a nonsmoking household (Seeburg M100A is burning) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 1:57 PM --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Julie Mitchell wrote: > I was able to exhaust all the credits this afternoon, so > the countdown > is working.? I think what happened is that I racked up > a bunch of > credits in advance so that people wouldn't be asking me > "how come I > can't play any songs" every five minutes, and I had no idea > this would > damage the machine.? Does the M100-B have a credit accumulator?? I thought it had the same credit unit as the M100-A. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jun 1 15:58:15 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jun 1 15:59:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100B Selection Problem Message-ID: <332443.44145.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, Is the 2 amp Slo Blo fuse, in the open holder, good--has it been "overfused" ? Is the fuse "making good contact" in the holder ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 6/1/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100B Selection Problem To: "jukebox list" Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 1:01 PM I'm currently working on a B that the original problem was selector buttons stayed latched. I removed the selector and adjusted the switches, and that solved that problem. While I was at it I also removed and cleaned the CCU checked contacts for proper gap, replaced caps,? etc. Now when I establish a credit, make a selection, it takes off the credit but wont pull a pin on the bank. All 100 selections but no pin pull.? If I manually pull a pin, the mech does start and plays that selection. I've checked and re-checked timing relay and cam switches everything by the book. Fuses are good and no broken wires as far as I can tell. I even tried a known working pinbank and still pins don't move.? Selenium rectifier had been replaced by someone previous but is good with proper voltage. I've used the picture troubleshooting flowcharts backward and I can't figure out what I'm overlooking. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 1 17:05:03 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Jun 1 17:06:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC-1 Stepper and Wallbox installtion help needed Message-ID: Ron, the code on the stepper is 358. Where do i go from here? Rick Rick, First? of all, WHICH code RCSU-4 are you attempting to use? SC's and SCH's are not directly interchangeable, nor "useable" on the same wiring, if you attempt to use either type audio control. Next, without the ITS, did you modify the coin circuit in the SC prior to use ?? Do you have an early SC, or a late model (with the fuse added) ?? The SCH should have a (6/10 SB I think) coin fuse, and the SC should have one added, if not there. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 5/26/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC-1 Stepper and Wallbox installtion help needed To: "jukebox list" Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 2:34 PM Hi everyone, a coworker has an LPC-1 that I have worked on before. He recently bought a stepper and a wallbox off craigslist and has asked for my help in installing it. The stepper type is an RCSU4, and the wallbox he has is an SC-1, but I also have a nice clean SCH-1 that he would like if we can use that one instead. His LPC-1 does not have an income totalizer so I'm thinking I don't need to worry about a 10 conductor cable and can get by using seven? I wired the wallbox directly to the stepper and the light comes on the wallbox. If I drop any demonination coin in, it drops right through to the cashbox. If I manually put a credit on the wallbox, selection light comes on but I can't even press any buttons down to see if they latch. Also if I manually start the motor in the wallbox, the juke mech does scan and stop.. I think I am close but not sure what im missing. Do I have the right type of stepper to use with the SCH1 Wallbox? I did wire the two together using an SC series wallbox installation manual. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 From rothbear at comcast.net Mon Jun 1 17:33:59 2009 From: rothbear at comcast.net (The Roths) Date: Mon Jun 1 17:35:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Listings on Pittsburgh Craigslist In-Reply-To: References: <0BA9B7436528476C890B6898FFBEF8BA@home> Message-ID: <4F6459CFABC24AA48870A00AFD3D58F9@home> https://accounts.craigslist.org/post/shwpst?pii=1197427857&db=lv Try this link for the Continental 2 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of William Hill Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Listings on Pittsburgh Craigslist I don't see the continental. Is it still up? ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Roths" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Listings on Pittsburgh Craigslist > There is a Rockola 1488 and an AMI Continental 2 posted on the Pittsburgh, > PA Craigslist. Take a look if interested. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jun 1 17:57:44 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jun 1 17:59:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC-1 Stepper and Wallbox installtion help needed Message-ID: <572653.5220.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Need the letter code--should be prior to the numbers listed --- On Mon, 6/1/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC-1 Stepper and Wallbox installtion help needed To: "jukebox list" Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 5:05 PM Ron, the code on the stepper is 358. Where do i go from here? Rick Rick, First?? of all, WHICH code RCSU-4 are you attempting to use? SC's and SCH's are not directly interchangeable, nor "useable" on the same wiring, if you attempt to use either type audio control. Next, without the ITS, did you modify the coin circuit in the SC prior to use ??? Do you have an early SC, or a late model (with the fuse added) ??? The SCH should have a (6/10 SB I think) coin fuse, and the SC should have one added, if not there. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 5/26/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] LPC-1 Stepper and Wallbox installtion help needed To: "jukebox list" Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 2:34 PM Hi everyone, a coworker has an LPC-1 that I have worked on before. He recently bought a stepper and a wallbox off craigslist and has asked for my help in installing it. The stepper type is an RCSU4, and the wallbox he has is an SC-1, but I also have a nice clean SCH-1 that he would like if we can use that one instead. His LPC-1 does not have an income totalizer so I'm thinking I don't need to worry about a 10 conductor cable and can get by using seven? I wired the wallbox directly to the stepper and the light comes on the wallbox. If I drop any demonination coin in, it drops right through to the cashbox. If I manually put a credit on the wallbox, selection light comes on but I can't even press any buttons down to see if they latch. Also if I manually start the motor in the wallbox, the juke mech does scan and stop.. I think I am close but not sure what im missing. Do I have the right type of stepper to use with the SCH1 Wallbox? I did wire the two together using an SC series wallbox installation manual. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dppe at inebraska.com Mon Jun 1 18:10:15 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Mon Jun 1 18:11:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Does anybody have any Wurlitzer 2304 title stripholders? In-Reply-To: <1C1FC7CEAA4849AFA0281D99F7AC782B@PAW> References: <1C1FC7CEAA4849AFA0281D99F7AC782B@PAW> Message-ID: <812ddf847fcaba096b232b2a45ff66ae@inebraska.com> Hi Roy, Thanks for your time. I did find the title strip holders somewhere else. Dana On May 25, 2009, at 9:37 AM, The Jukebox Junkyard wrote: > Dana: I should have some tittle holder for your 2304. Give me a call > > Roy > > Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The > REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs > > The Jukebox Junkyard > PO Box 338 > Lizella,GA 31052 USA > WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com > > 678-833-5749 > > Plese respect or business hrs which are > Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST > > That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND > > > Looking for some title holders for my Wurlitzer 2304. This is a 104 > selection, 52 record machine. Thanks! Dana > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dppe at inebraska.com Mon Jun 1 18:13:27 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Mon Jun 1 18:15:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Does anybody have any Wurlitzer 2304titlestripholders? In-Reply-To: <6F81E640DEF8459D91FEA423D177C8D2@PAW> References: <1C1FC7CEAA4849AFA0281D99F7AC782B@PAW><0c5bcc677322e55006236e1ff0d3a25b@inebraska.com> <6F81E640DEF8459D91FEA423D177C8D2@PAW> Message-ID: <11dd266c11c755108cc8496e7dd64715@inebraska.com> Hi Roy, Thanks for your time in looking for these. I did find a set somewhere else. Dana On Jun 1, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Roy Dean wrote: > Dana: I do have the 4 Plastic program holder for your 2304 price is > $65 each requires new decal which is $25 plus S&H There are Original > and not repo however the decals are new. > > Just give me a call. > > Roy > > Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The > REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs > > The Jukebox Junkyard > PO Box 338 > Lizella,GA 31052 USA > WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com > > 678-833-5749 > > Plese respect or business hrs which are > Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST > > That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jun 2 12:08:56 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jun 2 12:11:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 Message-ID: <20090602.150856.16254.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: RE: Golden Bar Top Tunes selector for W2600. There's been a lot of discussion here regarding this outboard feature. I've had hands-on service experience with the top tunes feature on the 2700 and later US-built Wurlitzer jukes. Most of these kits contained subtle mechanical and electronic variations, to tailor them for a particular jukebox model. This is why most of them won't easily interchange with one another. The kits I've seen all operated mechanically outside of the letter/number selection system, or stepper switch, if the juke was equipped with one. It sounds as if the 2610/2600 top tunes kit is different than the others, where it circuits through the stepper. I have 2 customers in my area that are 2600 or 2610 owners. Neither of the jukes has a top tunes kit or a stepper in place. I'm disadvantaged in that I don't have a 2600 manual for reference right now. My library goes from 2400 to 2700. I probably cannot contribute anything further to this discussion thread. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right stock, bonds, and mutual funds. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSWZEF0KLYlTlFXJzsFaMg5bXg3eiJtQEUtSusqCB1niH26JpM2nm/ From webmaster at guestwho.com Tue Jun 2 12:30:39 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Tue Jun 2 12:32:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 In-Reply-To: <20090602.150856.16254.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090602.150856.16254.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <684B4DFDF28844349644B9664E5D7AFF@CHRISLAPTOP> Thanks Jim. It looks like Ron Baker has the whole kit and it was pulled from another 2600. If I mail you off-list can you take a look at the pics and let me know if it looks correct ? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 Gentlemen: RE: Golden Bar Top Tunes selector for W2600. There's been a lot of discussion here regarding this outboard feature. I've had hands-on service experience with the top tunes feature on the 2700 and later US-built Wurlitzer jukes. Most of these kits contained subtle mechanical and electronic variations, to tailor them for a particular jukebox model. This is why most of them won't easily interchange with one another. The kits I've seen all operated mechanically outside of the letter/number selection system, or stepper switch, if the juke was equipped with one. It sounds as if the 2610/2600 top tunes kit is different than the others, where it circuits through the stepper. I have 2 customers in my area that are 2600 or 2610 owners. Neither of the jukes has a top tunes kit or a stepper in place. I'm disadvantaged in that I don't have a 2600 manual for reference right now. My library goes from 2400 to 2700. I probably cannot contribute anything further to this discussion thread. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right stock, bonds, and mutual funds. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSWZEF0KLYlTlFXJzsFaMg5bXg3eiJtQEUtSusqCB1niH26JpM2nm/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From goldenflash60 at aol.com Tue Jun 2 14:43:31 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 2 14:52:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm galaxy cd jukebox keypad wanted Message-ID: <8CBB1E24E86A706-105C-10AE@webmail-dx07.sysops.aol.com> i am in need on a keypad for my nsm galaxy.? i believe that it was used in other boxes like the grand performer.? if anyone has an extra let me know.? some of my buttons stopped working, Tom From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jun 2 15:23:51 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:27:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 Message-ID: <20090602.182351.20354.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Hello Chris: I'd be interested to see what you've come up with. The later model Golden Bar equipped models that I've seen had the motor or solenoid driven "claw" that was an outrigger attachment to the pin bank chassis. When the top tunes function was tripped, you would hear one mechanical "pop" as the claw solenoid (or motor, depending on the year) released all 10 selector pins at once. If you viewed the pin bank chassis from the rear of the machine the top tunes unit was mounted at the "8 o'clock" position, near the gear-drive "letter" motor on a 200-play machine. The later jukes (after 2900) had the switching ability to play the Golden Bar function from a 5220 wall box. This "play top tunes" pulse was routed through the stepper chassis. It resulted in a single switch closure that triggered the "claw" motor, which then popped the pins. When the stepper switch sequence is running, this can have a machine-gun-like sound. It is possible that the 2600 version of the Golden Bar system does work via the stepper switch. I've never seen one like that. I believe the W2600 juke was the first model to have the Golden Bar feature offered. Good luck on retrofitting your 2600 with this feature. Let me know how it works out. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Turn life into a beach with a new sandbox. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTiXzBP50tidyKS4j6g39kKygRuzubNpDkSdLYu0kQjtcYlTWe3cM/ From srice3 at cfl.rr.com Tue Jun 2 15:35:25 2009 From: srice3 at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Rice) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:37:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm galaxy cd jukebox keypad wanted References: <8CBB1E24E86A706-105C-10AE@webmail-dx07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4F8306F9A00446DE847800B585DA4F4C@yourguessing> Have you checked to see what the problem is by opening up the keypad? Sometimes you will find that there are two rubber points that are in holes on each key that push the contacts and they wear off or dry out from no air conditioning. You can be inventive and use something else in place of the rubber points by digging out the holes and finding something else that would work. Some have even used short pieces of toothpicks. The keypad works by pushing on the two selected pieces of spring. Hope it gives you some ideas. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not use or circulate this e-mail transmission in the absence of explicit written permission from the original sender. Its contents are privileged and confidential, and are meant for use only by the named addressee(s) or entity. If the reader is not an intended recipient, then dissemination, in whole or in part, of these materials is strictly prohibited. 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Plastic cover and all. The wiring is shared with the coin mech and the selector assembly (keyboard) and mech (electric selector) and more from what I can see from here. In the manual it is described on page 32 item 6. Page 51 for parts (fig 86). I believe it is called "Kit 162 A&C" for the 2600 and "Kit 162 B&D" for the 2610. It has a motor and a contact plate incorporated, even a clear plastic cover like a stepper. Matter of fact the cover is called a stepper cover. The Top Tunes selector has a break down but no part number for the assembly that I can find. When you select The "Top Tunes" button it activates the selector motor which turns the contact plate and makes the circuits for the 10 records. It will select records A1-K1. It sounds like a little machine gun when it does! There is no mention of any parts for either the 2600 nor the 2610 that mount on either model selector. The 2700 manual has one listed and my 2710 has the top ten mechanism mounted on the electric selector. Whether or not one of the later top tunes assemblies will mount up is beyond me. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585042x1201462767/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62) From webmaster at guestwho.com Tue Jun 2 16:20:41 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Tue Jun 2 16:22:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted: PDF scan of Wurlitzer 2600 Manual Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone know where I could buy a pdf copy of the wurlitzer 2600 service manual ? I have a paper reproduction but that doesn't help if I need to show someone from the list a certain page, etc. Chris From wtstansell at verizon.net Tue Jun 2 16:38:53 2009 From: wtstansell at verizon.net (Theron Stansell) Date: Tue Jun 2 16:46:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm galaxy cd jukebox keypad wanted In-Reply-To: <8CBB1E24E86A706-105C-10AE@webmail-dx07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB1E24E86A706-105C-10AE@webmail-dx07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Tom, In case you can't find a new set of push buttons, you can repair your buttons if you disassemble them and you will find that the little plastic tits are worn off. You can take a 1/16 drill bit and drill a small hole where this was and super glue a plastic dart tip in the hole and trim to the proper length with a pair of sharp side cutters. Reasemble and it should work fine. wtstansell@verizon.net -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of goldenflash60@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:44 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm galaxy cd jukebox keypad wanted i am in need on a keypad for my nsm galaxy.? i believe that it was used in other boxes like the grand performer.? if anyone has an extra let me know.? some of my buttons stopped working, Tom _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From goldenflash60 at aol.com Tue Jun 2 16:49:27 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 2 16:51:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm galaxy cd jukebox keypad wanted In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB1E24E86A706-105C-10AE@webmail-dx07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBB1F3E66BB9E8-91C-A70@Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com> tanks alot for the tip, Tom -----Original Message----- From: Theron Stansell To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 6:38 pm Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] nsm galaxy cd jukebox keypad wanted Tom, In case you can't find a new set of push buttons, you can repair your buttons if you disassemble them and you will find that the little plastic tits are worn off. You can take a 1/16 drill bit and drill a small hole where this was and super glue a plastic dart tip in the hole and trim to the proper length with a pair of sharp side cutters. Reasemble and it should work fine. wtstansell@verizon.net -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of goldenflash60@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:44 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm galaxy cd jukebox keypad wanted i am in need on a keypad for my nsm galaxy.? i believe that it was used in other boxes like the grand performer.? if anyone has an extra let me know.? some of my buttons stopped working, Tom _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Tue Jun 2 16:52:55 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jun 2 16:54:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted: PDF scan of Wurlitzer 2600 Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A25BB57.10405@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know where I could buy a pdf copy of the wurlitzer 2600 > service manual ? I have a paper reproduction but that doesn't help if I > need to show someone from the list a certain page, etc. They're available on EBay from time to time, of varying quality. Or you could borrow a scanner and make one from yours, although doing so from an original as opposed to a copy would give cleaner results. And before the copyright police come out of the woodwork, there's been quite a bit of discussion about copyright issues regarding these old manuals. In my personal opinion (I'm not a lawyer, this isn't legal advice) it's a non-issue. If the manuals were first published before 1964 and the copyright not renewed, they're public domain. If they were published before 1989 and don't have a copyright notice, they're public domain. Scanning a certain page of a manual to show someone is probably fair use. I agree that the AMR people provide a valuable service to the jukebox collecting community but question their exclusive right to reproduce these manuals. If you notice, the AMR reprints contain extra pages that were never part of the factory manuals. You'll find WICO price lists, top tunes lists, etc. added to the back of AMR books. I suspect that they do this in order to create a "compilation copyright" on the work they produce as they have no exclusive right to publication of the underlying manuals. Also, their reprints often have handwritten notes in the margins and are obviously photocopies of circulated books found in operators' libraries as opposed to factory proofs. I buy AMR reprints when I can't find an original for a box I'm working on, and find them to be of excellent quality. They take the time to clean up the images and print a quality product. I encourage others to buy them as well. Arguments by non-copyright-lawyers over copyright issues regarding a long out-of-print manual printed by a long out-of-business company are kind of pointless. If someone from AMR wants to correct me about this, I'll gladly admit my error here. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From goldenflash60 at aol.com Tue Jun 2 16:51:51 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 2 16:59:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm keypad Message-ID: <8CBB1F43C47ACF9-91C-A8A@Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com> there are two plastic pegs on each button.? they break off pretty easily.? they only require on peg to work so you can take the number out of the key and flip them around.? unfortunately i have already flipped a couple of them! From webmaster at guestwho.com Tue Jun 2 17:24:25 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Tue Jun 2 17:26:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35ECCE1A0F6B42FCB6F725318C5A85BB@CHRISLAPTOP> David, I checked the service manual and it describes the same thing you are referring to, no mechanical parts to mount on the carousel. I'm wondering if I can still use the mechanical version though. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David G.." To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 >I have a W2610 with the Top Tunes option. > There is nothing mounted on the mech. I have what is called an "Automatic > Programing Assembly Top Tunes selector". It resembles a 261 stepper. > Plastic cover and all. > The wiring is shared with the coin mech and the selector assembly > (keyboard) and mech (electric selector) and more from what I can see from > here. > In the manual it is described on page 32 item 6. Page 51 for parts (fig > 86). I believe it is called "Kit 162 A&C" for the 2600 and "Kit 162 B&D" > for the 2610. > It has a motor and a contact plate incorporated, even a clear plastic > cover like a stepper. Matter of fact the cover is called a stepper cover. > The Top Tunes selector has a break down but no part number for the > assembly that I can find. > When you select The "Top Tunes" button it activates the selector motor > which turns the contact plate and makes the circuits for the 10 records. > It will select records A1-K1. It sounds like a little machine gun when it > does! > There is no mention of any parts for either the 2600 nor the 2610 that > mount on either model selector. > The 2700 manual has one listed and my 2710 has the top ten mechanism > mounted on the electric selector. > Whether or not one of the later top tunes assemblies will mount up is > beyond me. > > David G.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Ralph" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:42 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a > 2600 > > >> Hi all, >> >> I was offered a Top Ten Tunes unit from a Wurlitzer 3410, and I wanted to >> know if it will work in my Wurlitzer 2600 ? >> >> Are there any issues here ? How do these things work ? Is it something >> like a stepper ? >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jun 2 17:29:22 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Jun 2 17:31:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 Message-ID: <001201c9e3e2$594c81b0$0be58510$@net> I noticed in my service manual there are several stickers inside the door regarding lubrication and other things. Is anyone reproducing high quality replacements of these labels. If not, would anyone like to take high resolution pictures of theirs and email them to me or work out some other arrangements? Thanks again. Rich From jay at west.net Tue Jun 2 17:45:05 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jun 2 17:46:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 In-Reply-To: <35ECCE1A0F6B42FCB6F725318C5A85BB@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <35ECCE1A0F6B42FCB6F725318C5A85BB@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4A25C791.8010903@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > David, > > I checked the service manual and it describes the same thing you are > referring to, no mechanical parts to mount on the carousel. > > I'm wondering if I can still use the mechanical version though. I would think that you should be able to use the "claw" mechanical version, but it may take some mechanical skills. It would probably be useful for you to have a 2700 or later box for comparison. It's very possible that the stamped metal pinbank parts on the 2600 don't have the mounting holes for the mechanical version. As that wasn't used until the 2700 series, it probably wasn't designed to bolt on. Maybe the late 2600 mechs have them. You might need to be creative with mounting arrangements for the claw. I would suspect some electrical differences exist as well. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jun 2 18:10:49 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Jun 2 18:12:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 In-Reply-To: <4A25C791.8010903@west.net> References: <35ECCE1A0F6B42FCB6F725318C5A85BB@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A25C791.8010903@west.net> Message-ID: <001c01c9e3e8$239d77d0$6ad86770$@net> Since there is still conversations being had regarding the Golden Bar.....thought I would throw in my $.02. I have a 3010 with the TT feature that I disabled. Issue was the stop point left the "Teeth" too close to the pinbank and they could not be reset. Gave up on fighting it. As far as how it is hooked up....the mechanical part is mounted to the outer edge of the pinbank. A control unit is floor mounted and is connected to the playrak(to count off credits) and to the button mounted on the selector. If you look closely at the TTMech1 image, you will notice a little 'L' shaped black tab near the front of the pic. From this position, if you slid it left and locked it behind the little silver post, this will change the 10 selections from all odd selections down the two center title strips to 10 selections down the left center title strip. Here are high quality images and a troubleshooting video I shot at the time. My web server is being very flakey tonight, so if you get an error, try back again. I will keep an eye on it and try and keep it up. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/Wurlitzer_3010/TTMech1.JPG http://myersjukes.mine.nu/Wurlitzer_3010/TTMech.JPG http://myersjukes.mine.nu/Troubleshooting%20Videos/3010TT.wmv You will notice the size of the pinbank is much smaller on a 100 play Wurli, so an exact fit would probably make things much easier to install. I have a W3000 that I am getting ready to part out. It has the TT feature installed. Let me know if anyone needs anything. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:45 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 Chris Ralph wrote: > David, > > I checked the service manual and it describes the same thing you are > referring to, no mechanical parts to mount on the carousel. > > I'm wondering if I can still use the mechanical version though. I would think that you should be able to use the "claw" mechanical version, but it may take some mechanical skills. It would probably be useful for you to have a 2700 or later box for comparison. It's very possible that the stamped metal pinbank parts on the 2600 don't have the mounting holes for the mechanical version. As that wasn't used until the 2700 series, it probably wasn't designed to bolt on. Maybe the late 2600 mechs have them. You might need to be creative with mounting arrangements for the claw. I would suspect some electrical differences exist as well. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/02/09 06:47:00 From johngartman at charter.net Tue Jun 2 18:15:40 2009 From: johngartman at charter.net (John Gartman) Date: Tue Jun 2 19:04:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Does anybody have any Wurlitzer 2304titlestripholders? In-Reply-To: <6F81E640DEF8459D91FEA423D177C8D2@PAW> References: <1C1FC7CEAA4849AFA0281D99F7AC782B@PAW><0c5bcc677322e55006236e1ff0d3a25b@inebraska.com> <6F81E640DEF8459D91FEA423D177C8D2@PAW> Message-ID: <004801c9e3e8$cfa64cf0$6ef2e6d0$@net> Hey Roy, Would you have any mylars for a wurly 2700 The one that says Wurlitzer on it that goes up in the top ? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Roy Dean Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:57 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Does anybody have any Wurlitzer 2304titlestripholders? Dana: I do have the 4 Plastic program holder for your 2304 price is $65 each requires new decal which is $25 plus S&H There are Original and not repo however the decals are new. Just give me a call. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.49/2149 - Release Date: 06/01/09 17:55:00 From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jun 2 21:15:52 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Jun 2 21:17:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 In-Reply-To: <001c01c9e3e8$239d77d0$6ad86770$@net> References: <35ECCE1A0F6B42FCB6F725318C5A85BB@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A25C791.8010903@west.net> <001c01c9e3e8$239d77d0$6ad86770$@net> Message-ID: <000001c9e401$fc7e36c0$f57aa440$@net> I stand corrected on the location of the black "L"....it is actually the brown tab behind it that changes the position of the teeth. You can see the spring detent and cutout just to the right of the tab. This is what holds it in place. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:11 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 Since there is still conversations being had regarding the Golden Bar.....thought I would throw in my $.02. I have a 3010 with the TT feature that I disabled. Issue was the stop point left the "Teeth" too close to the pinbank and they could not be reset. Gave up on fighting it. As far as how it is hooked up....the mechanical part is mounted to the outer edge of the pinbank. A control unit is floor mounted and is connected to the playrak(to count off credits) and to the button mounted on the selector. If you look closely at the TTMech1 image, you will notice a little 'L' shaped black tab near the front of the pic. From this position, if you slid it left and locked it behind the little silver post, this will change the 10 selections from all odd selections down the two center title strips to 10 selections down the left center title strip. Here are high quality images and a troubleshooting video I shot at the time. My web server is being very flakey tonight, so if you get an error, try back again. I will keep an eye on it and try and keep it up. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/Wurlitzer_3010/TTMech1.JPG http://myersjukes.mine.nu/Wurlitzer_3010/TTMech.JPG http://myersjukes.mine.nu/Troubleshooting%20Videos/3010TT.wmv You will notice the size of the pinbank is much smaller on a 100 play Wurli, so an exact fit would probably make things much easier to install. I have a W3000 that I am getting ready to part out. It has the TT feature installed. Let me know if anyone needs anything. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:45 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Top Ten Tunes Unit - 3410 model in a 2600 Chris Ralph wrote: > David, > > I checked the service manual and it describes the same thing you are > referring to, no mechanical parts to mount on the carousel. > > I'm wondering if I can still use the mechanical version though. I would think that you should be able to use the "claw" mechanical version, but it may take some mechanical skills. It would probably be useful for you to have a 2700 or later box for comparison. It's very possible that the stamped metal pinbank parts on the 2600 don't have the mounting holes for the mechanical version. As that wasn't used until the 2700 series, it probably wasn't designed to bolt on. Maybe the late 2600 mechs have them. You might need to be creative with mounting arrangements for the claw. I would suspect some electrical differences exist as well. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/02/09 06:47:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/02/09 06:47:00 From pinballpauls at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 23:09:16 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Tue Jun 2 23:10:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm galaxy cd jukebox keypad wanted In-Reply-To: <8CBB1E24E86A706-105C-10AE@webmail-dx07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB1E24E86A706-105C-10AE@webmail-dx07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have a new that I bought I bought for a customer a few years ago that he canceled the order on. Contact me if you are interested. pinballpauls@gmail.com On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 5:43 PM, wrote: > i am in need on a keypad for my nsm galaxy.? i believe that it was used in > other boxes like the grand performer.? if anyone has an extra let me know.? > some of my buttons stopped working, Tom > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jdl1981 at ymail.com Wed Jun 3 00:26:49 2009 From: jdl1981 at ymail.com (Josh Loman) Date: Wed Jun 3 00:35:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1432 Missing Amplifier And Value Question Message-ID: <924379.74542.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I just bought a Rock-Ola 1432 that plays 45's that I will be picking up in a few weeks. It is a complete machine and all of the glass and plastic are intact and in good condition however it is missing the wood back door and the Amplifier. Does anyone have an amp that would work that they would sell me. Also I have seen that some jukes have been converted to solid state. I know the sound isn't as rich but it may be easier to find a working amp that way. What kind of amp would you use for that? Does anyone have a parts box that I could buy the back door if not would it be difficult to make one?? Also what is an original and a restored 1432 worth? I have never been into the rock-ola's before so I don't know much about them.? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. And I apologize in advance for the?newbie?questions. I am usually a Coke machine guy and haven't done much with Jukes,? From rellis2007 at aol.com Wed Jun 3 04:22:24 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 3 04:31:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1432 Missing Amplifier And Value Question In-Reply-To: <924379.74542.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <924379.74542.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBB254B45DBF45-9C0-239C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> Josh while Rock-Ola made some of the neatest Jukes, they were terrible about putting any modle numbers on their working such as amps selection parts ect. a lot of times You have to know what the part should look like and what color it is, seldom if ever did they put model numbers on their equipment. other then the tag on the back, I would suggest You frist try to order a manual from victoryglass.com that will show what the amp looks like, if You should happen to find one Please have it rebuilt, if it has not been done already. hopes this helps good luck, doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Josh Loman To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 2:26 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1432 Missing Amplifier And Value Question I just bought a Rock-Ola 1432 that plays 45's that I will be picking up in a few weeks. It is a complete machine and all of the glass and plastic are intact and in good condition however it is missing the wood back door and the Amplifier. Does anyone have an amp that would work that they would sell me. Also I have seen that some jukes have been converted to solid state. I know the sound isn't as rich but it may be easier to find a working amp that way. What kind of amp would you use for that? Does anyone have a parts box that I could buy the back door if not would it be difficult to make one?? Also what is an original and a restored 1432 worth? I have never been into the rock-ola's before so I don't know much about them.? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. And I apologize in advance for the?newbie?questions. I am usually a Coke machine guy and haven't done much with Jukes,? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From stamann at jukebox-world.de Wed Jun 3 04:34:44 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Wed Jun 3 04:45:59 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1432 Missing Amplifier And Value Question Message-ID: Hello Josh, from what I know in model 1432 the amp is also the power supply. So to reaplace it with a different amp you would have to find a power supply, too. The amp used in 1432 has the parts number 15416-A (for tubes 2x 6L6; 5U4G; 12AU7; 12AX7) and is in an orange color. Kind regards - Hildegard ____________________________________________________________________________________???????????????????????_____________________________ Stamann Musikboxen - Schafskamp 2 - D-27243 Klein Henstedt - www.jukebox-world.de - stamann@jukebox-world.de Tel: (++49) 04224/264, Fax: (++49) 04224-1348, Ust.Id: DE 249241577 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von rellis2007@aol.com Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 13:31 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1432 Missing Amplifier And Value Question Josh while Rock-Ola made some of the neatest Jukes, they were terrible about putting any modle numbers on their working such as amps selection parts ect. a lot of times You have to know what the part should look like and what color it is, seldom if ever did they put model numbers on their equipment. other then the tag on the back, I would suggest You frist try to order a manual from victoryglass.com that will show what the amp looks like, if You should happen to find one Please have it rebuilt, if it has not been done already. hopes this helps good luck, doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Josh Loman To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 2:26 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1432 Missing Amplifier And Value Question I just bought a Rock-Ola 1432 that plays 45's that I will be picking up in a few weeks. It is a complete machine and all of the glass and plastic are intact and in good condition however it is missing the wood back door and the Amplifier. Does anyone have an amp that would work that they would sell me. Also I have seen that some jukes have been converted to solid state. I know the sound isn't as rich but it may be easier to find a working amp that way. What kind of amp would you use for that? Does anyone have a parts box that I could buy the back door if not would it be difficult to make one?? Also what is an original and a restored 1432 worth? I have never been into the rock-ola's before so I don't know much about them.? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. And I apologize in advance for the?newbie?questions. I am usually a Coke machine guy and haven't done much with Jukes,? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 3 10:20:06 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Jun 3 10:21:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100B Selector Problem Message-ID: Rick, Is the 2 amp Slo Blo fuse, in the open holder, good--has it been "overfused" ? Is the fuse "making good contact" in the holder ? Ron Rich Hi Ron, double checked the 2 Amp fuse and holder as you suggested. Fuse is good with correct value and the holder is clean and making good contact. I retraced my steps for the 3rd time after checking the fuse. This one really has me baffled. Could this be a grounding issue perhaps? Any other way to troubleshoot the problem? Thanks! Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jun 3 11:12:41 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jun 3 11:15:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm galaxy cd jukebox keypad wanted Message-ID: <20090603.141241.8690.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Midwest US jukebox/parts distributor has a few remaining new NSM parts in stock that are for ES4 and ES5 platform CD jukeboxes. This company was an NSM jukebox distributor back in the day. This is the Suzo-Happ Co. (web: www.happcontrols.com) I believe the keyboard part number you're looking for is # 176671. Please verify this in your service manual before ordering. Suzo-Happ does not have any parts/service support for NSM vinyl-playing jukes. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Turn any room into a work of art. Click now for beautiful oriental rugs! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTn25JtTPNzRG3tLRrEofZo9yJMdxpV9iDjEA1l9FrvjpFvS34V1m/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 13:21:17 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jun 3 13:22:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100B Selector Problem Message-ID: <227122.92424.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, Are the group relay magnets pulling ?--Maybe a ES problem--did you try ALL 100 selections ?? Check the two large plugs (ES to SA thru WSR) ? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 6/3/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100B Selector Problem To: "jukebox list" Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 10:20 AM Rick, Is the 2 amp Slo Blo fuse, in the open holder, good--has it been "overfused" ? Is the fuse "making good contact" in the holder ? Ron Rich Hi Ron, double checked the 2 Amp fuse and holder as you suggested. Fuse is good with correct value and the holder is clean and making good contact. I retraced my steps for the 3rd time after checking the fuse. This one really has me baffled. Could this be a grounding issue perhaps? Any other way to troubleshoot the problem? Thanks! Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From roywdean at cox.net Wed Jun 3 18:19:18 2009 From: roywdean at cox.net (Roy Dean) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:20:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1432 Missing Amplifier And Value Question References: <924379.74542.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Josh: I may have a 1432 Amp I will check and let you know. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST I just bought a Rock-Ola 1432 that plays 45's that I will be picking up in a few weeks. It is a complete machine and all of the glass and plastic are intact and in good condition however it is missing the wood back door and the Amplifier. Does anyone have an amp that would work that they would sell me. Also I have seen that some jukes have been converted to solid state. I know the sound isn't as rich but it may be easier to find a working amp that way. What kind of amp would you use for that? Does anyone have a parts box that I could buy the back door if not would it be difficult to make one? Also what is an original and a restored 1432 worth? I have never been into the rock-ola's before so I don't know much about them. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. And I apologize in advance for the newbie questions. I am usually a Coke machine guy and haven't done much with Jukes, _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ddmaow at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 20:11:48 2009 From: ddmaow at yahoo.com (Di Di Mao) Date: Wed Jun 3 20:13:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Antique Bubbler gripper bow Message-ID: <785788.93842.qm@web45408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> My cousin just asked me to look into his Antique Apparatus Bubbler. I'm new to CD jukes, but not CD players. It is apparently built in December 1994. He is just setting it up after having it moved from another state where he used to live. He claims it used to work, but it has also been unused for a few years. Here's the problem. CD's load and play OK. When the mech goes to pick up the CD after it has been played, the gripper bow starts to lift just before it has closed enough to grab the CD. The CD gets left on the turntable. If I shut the machine off with a CD loaded and turn the load/unload motor by hand, everything goes OK and the CD does get lifted and put away. While it is playing, the CD does seem to be slightly below the centerline of the V's on the bow, but I don't see anywhere to adjust the height. The mounting grommets for the base are in good shape. Has anyone seen this before? Any suggestions? Thanks! From ddmaow at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 21:20:23 2009 From: ddmaow at yahoo.com (Di Di Mao) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:28:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Smoke test Message-ID: <631099.60745.qm@web45413.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Reminds me of a spring reverb unit I came across while working on an old leslie organ speaker, I think. It had a sticker on it which read something like: "Made in USA in a carefully controlled atmosphere by beautiful women." :) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 21:32:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:34:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Antique Bubbler gripper bow Message-ID: <622090.76248.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> IF--it's a "RockOla mech (NOT ROWE !) it's just a lack of oil problem. Use SAE 20wtND oil all over the gripper--and especially in between the two gears on the right side of the gripper. be patient as it will take some time to work it way in there---run it--. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Di Di Mao wrote: From: Di Di Mao Subject: [Jukebox-list] Antique Bubbler gripper bow To: "JukeList" Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 8:11 PM My cousin just asked me to look into his Antique Apparatus Bubbler.? I'm new to CD jukes, but not CD players.? It is apparently built in December 1994.? He is just setting it up after having it moved from another state where he used to live.? He claims it used to work, but it has also been unused for a few years. Here's the problem.? CD's load and play OK.? When the mech goes to pick up the CD after it has been played, the gripper bow starts to lift just before it has closed enough to grab the CD.? The CD gets left on the turntable. If I shut the machine off with a CD loaded and turn the load/unload motor by hand, everything goes OK and the CD does get lifted and put away. While it is playing, the CD does seem to be slightly below the centerline of the V's on the bow, but I don't see anywhere to adjust the height.? The mounting grommets for the base are in good shape. Has anyone seen this before?? Any suggestions? Thanks! ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 21:38:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:40:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Smoke test Message-ID: <580310.44405.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Himmmmmmmmmmmmm--? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Di Di Mao wrote: From: Di Di Mao Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Smoke test To: "JukeList" Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 9:20 PM Reminds me of a spring reverb unit I came across while working on an old leslie organ speaker, I think.? It had a sticker on it which read something like: "Made in USA in a carefully controlled atmosphere by beautiful women." :) ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Thu Jun 4 05:52:57 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Jun 4 05:54:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Antique Bubbler gripper bow In-Reply-To: <785788.93842.qm@web45408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <785788.93842.qm@web45408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A27C3A9.7030208@west.net> Di Di Mao wrote: > My cousin just asked me to look into his Antique Apparatus Bubbler. I'm new to CD jukes, but not CD players. It is apparently built in December 1994. He is just setting it up after having it moved from another state where he used to live. He claims it used to work, but it has also been unused for a few years. > > Here's the problem. CD's load and play OK. When the mech goes to pick up the CD after it has been played, the gripper bow starts to lift just before it has closed enough to grab the CD. The CD gets left on the turntable. > > If I shut the machine off with a CD loaded and turn the load/unload motor by hand, everything goes OK and the CD does get lifted and put away. > > While it is playing, the CD does seem to be slightly below the centerline of the V's on the bow, but I don't see anywhere to adjust the height. The mounting grommets for the base are in good shape. > > Has anyone seen this before? Any suggestions? Try a drop or two of sewing machine oil on the gripper bow mechanism. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jun 4 08:36:45 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jun 4 08:38:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Antique Bubbler gripper bow Message-ID: <38185.47188.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Antique Bubbler gripper bow To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 5:52 AM Di Di Mao wrote: > My cousin just asked me to look into his Antique Apparatus Bubbler.? I'm new to CD jukes, but not CD players.? It is apparently built in December 1994.? He is just setting it up after having it moved from another state where he used to live.? He claims it used to work, but it has also been unused for a few years. > > Here's the problem.? CD's load and play OK.? When the mech goes to pick up the CD after it has been played, the gripper bow starts to lift just before it has closed enough to grab the CD.? The CD gets left on the turntable. > > If I shut the machine off with a CD loaded and turn the load/unload motor by hand, everything goes OK and the CD does get lifted and put away. > > While it is playing, the CD does seem to be slightly below the centerline of the V's on the bow, but I don't see anywhere to adjust the height.? The mounting grommets for the base are in good shape. > > Has anyone seen this before?? Any suggestions? Try a drop or two of sewing machine oil on the gripper bow mechanism. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Jun 4 11:43:30 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Jun 4 12:47:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg receives it's head Message-ID: Hi to all, this is directed mostly to Ron Rich...knew you would be delighted to learn I installed a replacement dome on the Trashcan last night....it is no longer Headless! (I was fortunate to buy one off ebay for about 1/3 of the replacement costs from VG) I have "bits and pieces" of the animation unit for the dome, still missing the light but have the piece of colored plastic to create the barber pole and the motor and end piece. I'm not sure the motor works, I bought it "as is". Little by little it is coming together! Jackie Dancin' Out From bobe at halted.com Thu Jun 4 14:06:35 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Thu Jun 4 14:29:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg receives it's head Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090604210635.009a5db4@hsces.com> At 02:43 PM 6/4/2009 -0400, you wrote: >Hi to all, >this is directed mostly to Ron Rich...knew you would be delighted to learn I installed a replacement dome on the Trashcan last night....it is no longer Headless! (I was fortunate to buy one off ebay for about 1/3 of the replacement costs from VG) > >I have "bits and pieces" of the animation unit for the dome, still missing the light but have the piece of colored plastic to create the barber pole and the motor and end piece. I'm not sure the motor works, I bought it "as is". Little by little it is coming together! I was going to tell you that I saw some domes and frames for Trashcans on eBay yesterday...guess you've been keeping an eagle-eye out for them on your own...good for you! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Jun 4 15:27:04 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Jun 4 15:29:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg receives it's head- and more References: <2.2.32.20090604210635.009a5db4@hsces.com> Message-ID: <6000F3F0B4664CF1A56B7790B4623225@home1903> Hi Bob, thanks so much for thinking of me, I have been looking for about a year and have seen a couple but the prices went too high. It must be the Econ. or maybe every Trashcan has a head now, but the price was excellent. I have a question for anyone out there, I see in my manual there are 3 different Dome Animations, the AL-1 (pg 1027) the AL-2 (pg 1051) and AL-3. (pg1055). The AL-1 & 2 have lots of parts, including a reflector and dome light, however the AL-3, shows only the Cylinder Assembly, which is what I have and need to put together. A couple questions, where does the light go? And also is there a certain length that I make the cylinder. I have the top and bottom rings and the plastic I have is 9 1/4" long. It seems if I use it at that length, it would interfer with the record on the turntable. I see where the motor gets mounted under the dome but there must be very little clearance at the bottom of the cylinder. Any thought would be great! Many thanks in advance, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Ellingson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg receives it's head > At 02:43 PM 6/4/2009 -0400, you wrote: >>Hi to all, >>this is directed mostly to Ron Rich...knew you would be delighted to learn > I installed a replacement dome on the Trashcan last night....it is no > longer > Headless! (I was fortunate to buy one off ebay for about 1/3 of the > replacement costs from VG) >> >>I have "bits and pieces" of the animation unit for the dome, still missing > the light but have the piece of colored plastic to create the barber pole > and the motor and end piece. I'm not sure the motor works, I bought it > "as > is". Little by little it is coming together! > > I was going to tell you that I saw some domes and frames for Trashcans on > eBay yesterday...guess you've been keeping an eagle-eye out for them on > your > own...good for you! > > --Bob > ======================================================================= > Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com > Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com > 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 > Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jun 4 16:14:03 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jun 4 16:15:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg receives it's head Message-ID: <477704.77327.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, Well, it's about time--how would you have felt to be running around with your head missing all this time ??--Guess it's beter to ave 2/3 rds then none at all--Congrats !! Ron Rich 9, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg receives it's head To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 11:43 AM Hi to all, this is directed mostly to Ron Rich...knew you would be delighted to learn I installed a replacement dome on the Trashcan last night....it is no longer Headless! (I was fortunate to buy one off ebay for about 1/3 of the replacement costs from VG) I have "bits and pieces" of the animation unit for the dome, still missing the light but have the piece of colored plastic to create the barber pole and the motor and end piece.? I'm not sure the motor works, I bought it "as is".? Little by little it is coming together! Jackie Dancin' Out _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From y2kvette at verizon.net Thu Jun 4 15:48:19 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Thu Jun 4 16:51:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GPII Message-ID: <52CCF90170BE42F3B107D40DFFAD8E37@TCSShop> If I replace the wires in the tone arm to the amp, do they have to be the tennie-tiney style or can I use any size wire that fits? Thanks, Steve From jay at west.net Thu Jun 4 17:12:23 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Jun 4 17:14:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GPII In-Reply-To: <52CCF90170BE42F3B107D40DFFAD8E37@TCSShop> References: <52CCF90170BE42F3B107D40DFFAD8E37@TCSShop> Message-ID: <4A2862E7.5020201@west.net> Steve Kline wrote: > If I replace the wires in the tone arm to the amp, do they have to be the tennie-tiney style or can I use any size wire that fits? The main thing is that they are very flexible so as not to cause drag on the tonearm. I've used the wire from earbud-style headphones in a pinch. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 4 17:26:16 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Thu Jun 4 17:34:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gripper Bow, on a Rowe Mech Message-ID: <363491.25150.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I assume this AA has a Rowe mechanism in it. You could check the book and see. A Rowe gripper bow should be cleaned, not oiled. Oil will work temporally. If you don't have the book, you need to turn the power off, undo the 1/4 hex-heads on each side of the casing, with the washers. You then pull out the 2 black pins, which have an oil on them from assembly. (The right side has a rotator on it, held in by 2 screws, that need to be removed) Lift the arm out, looking at the 2 gears on the left side, notice the outside one has an opening on it. It needs to be put back in the same way. The assembly is held together with 1 screw, and when you remove it, you need to hold it all together, because there is a spring inside. You need to clean inside the arm, and on the outside of the metal housing(that slides in the black plastic looking arm base). You need to clean the plunger and inside of the metal housing where it slides. That's means a total of four different surfaces that need to be cleaned. I used an all-purpose cleaned and then alcohol to clean any soap residue. When its re-assembled the pieces should slide easily together, within each other. When the assembly is back in the mech you can test it manually by turning the transfer motor cam. The gripper bow should snap shut on a disc. If it doesn't it will leave a disc on the player. I would only oil the sides of the mechanism casting where the bow assembly pivots(like the factory). John the Jukebox Man From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jun 4 19:43:15 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:44:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GPII Message-ID: <613900.84892.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, Come on now--12 ga wire will work--in fact, you can eliminate the needle if you sharpen the end of the wire !!? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GPII To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 5:12 PM Steve Kline wrote: > If I replace the wires in the tone arm to the amp, do they have to be the tennie-tiney style or can I use any size wire that fits? The main thing is that they are very flexible so as not to cause drag on the tonearm.? I've used the wire from earbud-style headphones in a pinch. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ddmaow at yahoo.com Thu Jun 4 19:59:49 2009 From: ddmaow at yahoo.com (Di Di Mao) Date: Thu Jun 4 20:01:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GPII Message-ID: <325524.66796.qm@web45405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> When you can strip 40 guage wire with a machete' you can leave the temple, grasshopper. From ddmaow at yahoo.com Thu Jun 4 20:35:34 2009 From: ddmaow at yahoo.com (Di Di Mao) Date: Thu Jun 4 20:37:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Antique Bubbler gripper bow Message-ID: <757541.40042.qm@web45407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone for the great advice. Lubing and cleaning has done the trick. This juke is running again. From ccos at knology.net Fri Jun 5 00:03:03 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Fri Jun 5 00:04:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GPII In-Reply-To: <613900.84892.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <613900.84892.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: How about just a paper clip sharpened on the sidewalk in front of the house? Oh wait, that'd just take care of the needle. Some brown lamp cord should complete the circuit from there, with some welding. Sorry but I couldn't help but to chime in since I have experience working my tail off trying to figure out ways of avoiding ordering $12 worth of tonearm cable. I'm not proud of it, but I did it. Turned out that nothing else was as strong, yet flexible, and was actually wire that I could solder. An earphone wire, or such substitutes is often some sort of synthetic cloth-like substance wound together with what appears to be copper-like cloth that you just can't solder. I'm sure someone here on the list knows more about that than I do, but I know it's worth replacing tonearm cable with tonearm cable. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GPII Jay, Come on now--12 ga wire will work--in fact, you can eliminate the needle if you sharpen the end of the wire !! Ron Rich --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GPII To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 5:12 PM Steve Kline wrote: > If I replace the wires in the tone arm to the amp, do they have to be the > tennie-tiney style or can I use any size wire that fits? The main thing is that they are very flexible so as not to cause drag on the tonearm. I've used the wire from earbud-style headphones in a pinch. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From goldenflash60 at aol.com Fri Jun 5 08:16:30 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 5 08:25:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] need to buy a nsm ES3 player unit! anyone got one??? Message-ID: <8CBB407BD4D2E62-198C-26F1@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> i need a player unit for my NSM satellite 200 45 jukebox (ES3).? if anyone has one or knows someone who has one give me a call? 330-671-0114.??? Thanks, Tom From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jun 5 13:12:22 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jun 5 13:16:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GPII Message-ID: <20090605.161222.20020.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: RE: tone arm cable Tone arm wire is normally a 28 guage stranded cable, in a twisted pair, that has an ultra flexible vinyl jacket so that it poses a minimum physical drag upon a tone arm. The same wire is frequently used for earpieces used with hearing aids and in radio-TV broadcast communications. The twisted-pair configuration is important to avoid hum pickup. Earpiece cable will work OK in a phono ckt. Cable, marketed as tone arm wire is offered in twisted pair, 3, 4 and 5 conductor color coded, twisted configurations. This cable can be bought in small quantities on-line at Antique Electronics,Parts Express or Jukebox Friday Night. There are probably other sources I'm not mentioning. Some phono circuits require a miniature a highly flexible shielded cable (usually mag phono ckts, where signal level, and signal-to-noise ratio is critical ) Mogami Cable manufactures this hard-to-find wire, sold through their dealer network and certain electronics parts houses. Mini-shielded RF co-axial cable is needed to replace old stiff tone arm wire in Wurlitzer jukeboxes that employ the Zenith cobra cartridge, and the repair/restoration tech. intends to keep the cobra circuit functional. Here it's important to maintain the impedance of the cable at the RF frequency employed by the cobra's oscillator "tank" circuit. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Be there without being there. 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Regards, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GPII Gentlemen: RE: tone arm cable Tone arm wire is normally a 28 guage stranded cable, in a twisted pair, that has an ultra flexible vinyl jacket so that it poses a minimum physical drag upon a tone arm. The same wire is frequently used for earpieces used with hearing aids and in radio-TV broadcast communications. The twisted-pair configuration is important to avoid hum pickup. Earpiece cable will work OK in a phono ckt. Cable, marketed as tone arm wire is offered in twisted pair, 3, 4 and 5 conductor color coded, twisted configurations. This cable can be bought in small quantities on-line at Antique Electronics,Parts Express or Jukebox Friday Night. There are probably other sources I'm not mentioning. Some phono circuits require a miniature a highly flexible shielded cable (usually mag phono ckts, where signal level, and signal-to-noise ratio is critical ) Mogami Cable manufactures this hard-to-find wire, sold through their dealer network and certain electronics parts houses. Mini-shielded RF co-axial cable is needed to replace old stiff tone arm wire in Wurlitzer jukeboxes that employ the Zenith cobra cartridge, and the repair/restoration tech. intends to keep the cobra circuit functional. Here it's important to maintain the impedance of the cable at the RF frequency employed by the cobra's oscillator "tank" circuit. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Be there without being there. 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Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRUsR3CHQrDxG3rHD36MKcScqSIWNgCp1kJIDue8B56ywrP6OMg/ From perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 5 23:32:37 2009 From: perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk (glyn morgan) Date: Fri Jun 5 23:40:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm consul 120 Message-ID: <474034.59073.qm@web24603.mail.ird.yahoo.com> hi I have a nsm consul 120 which is suffering with wow & flutter. It places records quite centrally on turntable & playing arm doesnt seem to move back & fore while playing. I have changed band that fits on outside of turntable but not drive belt as it seems ok. Any ideas much appreciated. thanks Glyn From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Jun 6 01:32:50 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Jun 6 01:34:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GPII In-Reply-To: References: <20090605.161222.20020.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001701c9e681$60b341e0$2219c5a0$@force9.co.uk> I suggest looking on Ebay - it crops up on there now and then. Ignore the ridiculously expensive cable, it's not what you need. One thing to mention with earbud cable, is I have noticed within 3 or 4 years it goes stiff around where it flexes, so you eventually have the original problem your 30 odd year cable was giving you. On your GP, you don't necessarily have to have ultra flexible cable all the way to the amp, it only needs to flex to the point of beyone the tone arm pivot (+ some slack). Rock-Ola's used a unique 3 pin style plug where the cartridge wire attaches to the amp. You can't buy these, so I would advise you to re-use your original plug and the existing cable that emerges from it, and solder your new cable somewhere to the existing wires. The plug is sealed so you won't be able to get into it. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Steve Kline Sent: 05 June 2009 22:54 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GPII Finally, someone who really knows something other than comedy. Some of the responses were actually humorous, but not laughable... kind of like the current national debt. Thanks James, this is very helpful. This is my first Juke resto and I need all the help I can get. I'm down to hoping the amp works, now that I have all the mechanical selector things working. Regards, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GPII Gentlemen: RE: tone arm cable Tone arm wire is normally a 28 guage stranded cable, in a twisted pair, that has an ultra flexible vinyl jacket so that it poses a minimum physical drag upon a tone arm. The same wire is frequently used for earpieces used with hearing aids and in radio-TV broadcast communications. The twisted-pair configuration is important to avoid hum pickup. Earpiece cable will work OK in a phono ckt. Cable, marketed as tone arm wire is offered in twisted pair, 3, 4 and 5 conductor color coded, twisted configurations. This cable can be bought in small quantities on-line at Antique Electronics,Parts Express or Jukebox Friday Night. There are probably other sources I'm not mentioning. Some phono circuits require a miniature a highly flexible shielded cable (usually mag phono ckts, where signal level, and signal-to-noise ratio is critical ) Mogami Cable manufactures this hard-to-find wire, sold through their dealer network and certain electronics parts houses. Mini-shielded RF co-axial cable is needed to replace old stiff tone arm wire in Wurlitzer jukeboxes that employ the Zenith cobra cartridge, and the repair/restoration tech. intends to keep the cobra circuit functional. Here it's important to maintain the impedance of the cable at the RF frequency employed by the cobra's oscillator "tank" circuit. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Be there without being there. Click now for great video conferencing solutions! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRKtV9sSN27XljvR11xFWXh 6IWko2neST4x0TdJBMaMVfNxVRmdbC/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Sat Jun 6 04:35:43 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 6 04:38:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 intermittent readout problem Message-ID: I know its been a while but I finally got around to fixing the 222 readout problem last night. It was the detent switch.It was black and covered with grease and dirt. Cleaned it up with solvent and burnished the contacts. Selects every time now. The keyboard issue only happened once and hasn't done it since.If it happens again I know what to check. Thanks Ron. J.C. In a message dated 5/12/2009 10:55:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: JC, On the keyboard problem--check the "start" and "hold" switches in the TES, and the NC contact in the DPU timing relay--either is the "usual suspect"-- On the non selection problem, I would check the pins that ride under the TMU, to be sure that they are not "cupped", and that there still is silver left on them. Might also check out the detent switch--not burned--silver left on contacts--adjusted per manual? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 intermittent readout problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 4:59 PM Seeburg 222 DH J.C. In a message dated 5/11/2009 7:50:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: Which "222" do you have ? Ron Rich **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585010x1201462743/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51109NO62) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************Stay connected and tighten your budget with a great mobile device for under $50. Take a Peek! 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In-Reply-To: <8CBB407BD4D2E62-198C-26F1@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB407BD4D2E62-198C-26F1@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBB4B63FFE542B-1714-1CA6@WEBMAIL-DY14.sysops.aol.com> Call Tony Lentz at NSM the number is 1-630-279-2244 doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: goldenflash60@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:16 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] need to buy a nsm ES3 player unit! anyone got one??? i need a player unit for my NSM satellite 200 45 jukebox (ES3).? if anyone has one or knows someone who has one give me a call? 330-671-0114.??? Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 6 07:50:56 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 6 07:52:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 intermittent readout problem Message-ID: <909984.81019.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> great-- --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 intermittent readout problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 4:35 AM I know its been a while but I finally got around to fixing the 222??? readout problem last night. It was the detent switch.It was black and covered? with grease and dirt. Cleaned it up with solvent and burnished the contacts..? Selects every time now. The keyboard issue only happened once and hasn't done it since.If it? happens again I know what to check. Thanks Ron. J.C. In a message dated 5/12/2009 10:55:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: JC, On the keyboard problem--check the "start" and "hold" switches? in the TES, and the NC contact in the DPU timing relay--either is the "usual? suspect"-- On the non selection problem, I would check the pins that ride? under the TMU, to be sure that they are not "cupped", and that there still is? silver left on them.? Might also check out the detent switch--not???burned--silver left on contacts--adjusted per manual? Ron???Rich --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Jjmscf@aol.com ? wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re:? [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 intermittent readout problem To:? jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Monday, May 11,? 2009, 4:59 PM Seeburg 222 DH J.C. In a message? dated 5/11/2009 7:50:48 P.M. 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Message-ID: <000d01c9e6e1$037fd870$0a7f8950$@on.net> G'Day, There was a post from Rich Myers a few days ago on the charts that go inside an Ami G200. Rich - I'm restoring a G200 at the moment, and am "photoshopping" the original charts. Contact me off-list at blackj@internode.on.net as I think I can help. Cheers, Jeff From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Jun 6 19:47:48 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sat Jun 6 19:49:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg receives it's head- and more References: Message-ID: <58C3781D8B794AB58AE2417E9CD62814@home1903> Hey JC yes, I love those pics, they are up on my photobucket site, I think we look lots better than the new Head! It's about time for you to come for a visit, got any new Jukes lately? Did you ever sell that seeburg? Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg receives it's head- and more > Glad to hear you got that head on the Trashcan. 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Take a Peek! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100122638x1221845911x1201401556/aol?redir=http://www.getpeek.com/aol) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 13:30:05 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Sun Jun 7 13:38:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Message-ID: <165848.46150.qm@web63202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hello everyone! My name is Ken;and I have always been fascinated by jukeboxes & I have always wanted one.Now I got one! WOOHOO! It's a Rowe/AMI CD-51-a rather compact juke;it fits just right in my "man cave" down cellar next to my '70's EM pinball machine;it even came with the parts & service manual.When I get the chance I will post some pictures.The only question I have right now is where to get some new title cards,because I plan on rearranging the CD selection.Any tips & advice will be greatly appreciated! Have fun! Ken ? From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Sun Jun 7 13:47:08 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Robert Aker) Date: Sun Jun 7 14:11:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! References: <165848.46150.qm@web63202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c9e7b1$200a1890$0201a8c0@desktop> Your best bet for title cards is to make your own with software from http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ you will also want to bookmark this site for parts and repairs: http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/ Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Hello everyone! My name is Ken;and I have always been fascinated by jukeboxes & I have always wanted one.Now I got one! WOOHOO! It's a Rowe/AMI CD-51-a rather compact juke;it fits just right in my "man cave" down cellar next to my '70's EM pinball machine;it even came with the parts & service manual.When I get the chance I will post some pictures.The only question I have right now is where to get some new title cards,because I plan on rearranging the CD selection.Any tips & advice will be greatly appreciated! Have fun! Ken _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sun Jun 7 15:24:56 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sun Jun 7 15:26:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <857650.79673.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi: Please I ask all members (I am not the creator of this site) but am asking nicely if you could please correct your computer dates and times. It plays havoc on most of my buddys computers as well as mine. The messages get buried and we cannot find them when the date is out. We have to sift past pages of old emails to find it and in most cases delete it as we are so annoyed. Please note this thank you. ? ? Regards, Tony __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From jeffzurn at cox.net Sun Jun 7 15:44:47 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Sun Jun 7 15:46:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! References: <165848.46150.qm@web63202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c9e7c1$8f642860$0501a8c0@ZURNT60> Try this website... http://www.cdadapter.com/tstrips.htm Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 1:30 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Hello everyone! My name is Ken;and I have always been fascinated by jukeboxes & I have always wanted one.Now I got one! WOOHOO! It's a Rowe/AMI CD-51-a rather compact juke;it fits just right in my "man cave" down cellar next to my '70's EM pinball machine;it even came with the parts & service manual.When I get the chance I will post some pictures.The only question I have right now is where to get some new title cards,because I plan on rearranging the CD selection.Any tips & advice will be greatly appreciated! Have fun! Ken _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 16:46:59 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jun 7 16:48:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <593277.9481.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tony, Aren't all clocks "automatic"--I think mine's correct, but I sure would not know how to set it, as I'm a "jukebox geek", not a 'puter geek--I will look-see if this shows the correct time when I post it-- shows 4:46 PM now--?Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: From: Lala Blah Blah Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 3:24 PM Hi: Please I ask all members (I am not the creator of this site) but am asking nicely if you could please correct your computer dates and times. It plays havoc on most of my buddys computers as well as mine. The messages get buried and we cannot find them when the date is out. We have to sift past pages of old emails to find it and in most cases delete it as we are so annoyed. Please note this thank you. ? ? Regards, Tony ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier.? Optimized for Yahoo!? Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Sun Jun 7 17:22:16 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Sun Jun 7 17:30:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <593277.9481.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <593277.9481.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2022837208-1244420535-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1589776911-@bxe1060.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Not really. You can easily manually screw up (or correct) the time. BUT, when receiving email they are listed in the order of the time received stamp, not when they were sent, unless you have altered that setting in your email client (Outlook, webmail, etc). Not sure how the sender's clock is affecting the recipient's inbox. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 16:46:59 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Tony, Aren't all clocks "automatic"--I think mine's correct, but I sure would not know how to set it, as I'm a "jukebox geek", not a 'puter geek--I will look-see if this shows the correct time when I post it-- shows 4:46 PM now--?Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: From: Lala Blah Blah Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 3:24 PM Hi: Please I ask all members (I am not the creator of this site) but am asking nicely if you could please correct your computer dates and times. It plays havoc on most of my buddys computers as well as mine. The messages get buried and we cannot find them when the date is out. We have to sift past pages of old emails to find it and in most cases delete it as we are so annoyed. Please note this thank you. ? ? Regards, Tony ? ? ?__________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier.? Optimized for Yahoo!? Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Sun Jun 7 17:24:00 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Sun Jun 7 17:32:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Message-ID: <1841398639-1244420639-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-928356887-@bxe1060.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Do you guys recmmend printing your own strips (the cards themselves) or using pre-printed and scored sheets and just printing the song/artist info? ------Original Message------ From: Robert Aker Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Sent: Jun 7, 2009 4:47 PM Your best bet for title cards is to make your own with software from http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ you will also want to bookmark this site for parts and repairs: http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/ Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Hello everyone! My name is Ken;and I have always been fascinated by jukeboxes & I have always wanted one.Now I got one! WOOHOO! It's a Rowe/AMI CD-51-a rather compact juke;it fits just right in my "man cave" down cellar next to my '70's EM pinball machine;it even came with the parts & service manual.When I get the chance I will post some pictures.The only question I have right now is where to get some new title cards,because I plan on rearranging the CD selection.Any tips & advice will be greatly appreciated! Have fun! Ken _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Jun 7 17:45:09 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sun Jun 7 17:47:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! In-Reply-To: <1841398639-1244420639-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-928356887-@bxe1060.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1841398639-1244420639-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-928356887-@bxe1060.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <001101c9e7d2$60dbb650$229322f0$@net> I have had great luck using Ken's site (http://www.pinballrebel.com/archive/other/title.htm) and using my wife's scrapbook cutting straight edge. It makes nice straight cuts. When printing, just make sure to print "Actual Size" and NOT "Fit To Paper". I have made this mistake and they print a little to small to fit in the title strip holder. I also use 65# card stock. I bought a ream at Wally World for about 5 bucks. I can make title strips till the end of time.....or until the expensive damn ink runs out! Thing is with Kens site, you can print many different styles and colors. Thanks Ken. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Scott Cummings Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 7:24 PM To: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Do you guys recmmend printing your own strips (the cards themselves) or using pre-printed and scored sheets and just printing the song/artist info? ------Original Message------ From: Robert Aker Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Sent: Jun 7, 2009 4:47 PM Your best bet for title cards is to make your own with software from http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ you will also want to bookmark this site for parts and repairs: http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/ Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Hello everyone! My name is Ken;and I have always been fascinated by jukeboxes & I have always wanted one.Now I got one! WOOHOO! It's a Rowe/AMI CD-51-a rather compact juke;it fits just right in my "man cave" down cellar next to my '70's EM pinball machine;it even came with the parts & service manual.When I get the chance I will post some pictures.The only question I have right now is where to get some new title cards,because I plan on rearranging the CD selection.Any tips & advice will be greatly appreciated! Have fun! Ken _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.55/2160 - Release Date: 06/07/09 05:53:00 From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sun Jun 7 17:50:21 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sun Jun 7 17:51:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <405382.34471.qm@web111512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Ron: My friend.. the problem is when people have a virus the clock is set wrong or seriously some will not set it right in my email and other people that have emailed me.. have said the eamil can be days old and then have to scroll though them all.. it makes it a pain in the A$$.. and even worse so its easy to go to the right bottom of the screen an reverse click the mouse on the time and reset it to the correct date and time. I have spent (recently 1 hour) to mention on time finding some email from the group that was sent. The host was not negligent the sender was.. unfortunately this has been going on for at least 2 years.. I bocked ansd deleted.. now its becoming more frequently. No offfence but I will leave the group if this contintues as it is very very annoying. I would think people would correct this. If you have a virus problem or suspect it.. goto www.iolo.com and you problem WILL be solved. Been useing that prog for years... It works. (make sure you get thhe PRO VERSION) ? Regards, Tony --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 7:46 PM Tony, Aren't all clocks "automatic"--I think mine's correct, but I sure would not know how to set it, as I'm a "jukebox geek", not a 'puter geek--I will look-see if this shows the correct time when I post it-- shows 4:46 PM now--?Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: From: Lala Blah Blah Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 3:24 PM Hi: Please I ask all members (I am not the creator of this site) but am asking nicely if you could please correct your computer dates and times. It plays havoc on most of my buddys computers as well as mine. The messages get buried and we cannot find them when the date is out. We have to sift past pages of old emails to find it and in most cases delete it as we are so annoyed. Please note this thank you. ? ? Regards, Tony ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier.? Optimized for Yahoo!? Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sun Jun 7 17:51:31 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sun Jun 7 17:53:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Message-ID: <393572.23800.qm@web111508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yep use the same site.. works like a charm!! ? Regards, Tony --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! To: s.cummings4738@att.net, "'Jukebox mailing list'" Received: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 8:45 PM I have had great luck using Ken's site (http://www.pinballrebel.com/archive/other/title.htm) and using my wife's scrapbook cutting straight edge. It makes nice straight cuts.? When printing,? just make sure to print "Actual Size" and NOT "Fit To Paper".? I have made this mistake and they print a little to small to fit in the title strip holder.? I also use 65# card stock.? I bought a ream at Wally World for about 5 bucks.? I can make title strips till the end of time.....or until the expensive damn ink runs out! Thing is with Kens site,? you can print many different styles and colors. Thanks Ken. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Scott Cummings Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 7:24 PM To: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Do you guys recmmend printing your own strips (the cards themselves) or using pre-printed and scored sheets and just printing the song/artist info? ------Original Message------ From: Robert Aker Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Sent: Jun 7, 2009 4:47 PM Your best bet for title cards is to make your own with software from http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ you will also want to bookmark this site for parts and repairs: http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/ Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Hello everyone! My name is Ken;and I have always been fascinated by jukeboxes & I have always wanted one.Now I got one! WOOHOO! It's a Rowe/AMI CD-51-a rather compact juke;it fits just right in my "man cave" down cellar next to my '70's EM pinball machine;it even came with the parts & service manual.When I get the chance I will post some pictures.The only question I have right now is where to get some new title cards,because I plan on rearranging the CD selection.Any tips & advice will be greatly appreciated! Have fun! Ken _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.55/2160 - Release Date: 06/07/09 05:53:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 18:31:04 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Jun 7 18:32:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <277256.53533.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Scott Cummings wrote: > Not really. You can easily manually > screw up (or correct) the time. BUT, when receiving email > they are listed in the order of the time received stamp, not > when they were sent, unless you have altered that setting in > your email client (Outlook, webmail, etc). Not sure how the > sender's clock is affecting the recipient's inbox. If you're running ntpd or xntpd, you should be able to set one of your ISP's gateways/DNS servers as your ntp master server. If you're running Windoze, gawdhelpya. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 20:31:57 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jun 7 20:33:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <270710.56054.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, Well, as you can see--this one was the same time stamp as it said on my screen--I have received some that were a day or more late--some how ?? Ron Rich 8:31pm --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) To: "Jukebox List" Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 5:22 PM Not really. You can easily manually screw up (or correct) the time. BUT, when receiving email they are listed in the order of the time received stamp, not when they were sent, unless you have altered that setting in your email client (Outlook, webmail, etc). Not sure how the sender's clock is affecting the recipient's inbox. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 16:46:59 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Tony, Aren't all clocks "automatic"--I think mine's correct, but I sure would not know how to set it, as I'm a "jukebox geek", not a 'puter geek--I will look-see if this shows the correct time when I post it-- shows 4:46 PM now--?Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: From: Lala Blah Blah Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 3:24 PM Hi: Please I ask all members (I am not the creator of this site) but am asking nicely if you could please correct your computer dates and times. It plays havoc on most of my buddys computers as well as mine. The messages get buried and we cannot find them when the date is out. We have to sift past pages of old emails to find it and in most cases delete it as we are so annoyed. Please note this thank you. ? ? Regards, Tony ? ? ?__________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier.? Optimized for Yahoo!? Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 20:35:25 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jun 7 20:37:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Message-ID: <445343.6979.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I am an old operator--I use title strip "blanks"--? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! To: "Jukebox List" Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 5:24 PM Do you guys recmmend printing your own strips (the cards themselves) or using pre-printed and scored sheets and just printing the song/artist info? ------Original Message------ From: Robert Aker Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Sent: Jun 7, 2009 4:47 PM Your best bet for title cards is to make your own with software from http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ you will also want to bookmark this site for parts and repairs: http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/ Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Hello everyone! My name is Ken;and I have always been fascinated by jukeboxes & I have always wanted one.Now I got one! WOOHOO! It's a Rowe/AMI CD-51-a rather compact juke;it fits just right in my "man cave" down cellar next to my '70's EM pinball machine;it even came with the parts & service manual.When I get the chance I will post some pictures.The only question I have right now is where to get some new title cards,because I plan on rearranging the CD selection.Any tips & advice will be greatly appreciated! Have fun! Ken _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From maddleso at gmu.edu Sun Jun 7 21:17:59 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Sun Jun 7 21:19:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Questions about motor run capacitors - 50s Seeburg Message-ID: <03373673E66C4633A0AE3A94E9CABF5B@MarkVaio> I haven't seen much on this list (or anywhere for that matter) about motor run caps on Seeburg mechs. I'm not yet at the point of testing my mech - the machine wasn't in running order when I purchased it - but I'm curious about what to do about these so I thought I'd ask the experts. I presume they are regular can electrolytics and prone to go bad. Should they be replaced as a matter of course (after 50 odd years) or are they somehow more robust than other electrolytics? What is the indication that you have a bad motor run cap? When the motor is slow to start or drags? Thanks Mark From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sun Jun 7 21:23:15 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sun Jun 7 21:24:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Questions about motor run capacitors - 50s Seeburg In-Reply-To: "Mark Addleson" 's message of Mon, 8 Jun 2009 00:17:59 -0400 Message-ID: <25916-4A2C9233-2741@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Mark, in my experience , the motor run cap seems to hold up pretty well, and I wouldnt change it unless its bad. Usually they just fail completely and motor wont run/start at all. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From pinballpauls at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 23:22:49 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Sun Jun 7 23:24:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Questions about motor run capacitors - 50s Seeburg In-Reply-To: <03373673E66C4633A0AE3A94E9CABF5B@MarkVaio> References: <03373673E66C4633A0AE3A94E9CABF5B@MarkVaio> Message-ID: The motor run caps are AC 120v, electrolytics are DC only. You can make your own with polyester caps and a piece of tubing. From pinballpauls at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 23:25:17 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Sun Jun 7 23:26:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! In-Reply-To: <165848.46150.qm@web63202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <165848.46150.qm@web63202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you go to pinballrebel.com and go to the jukebox section, it has a section where you can go to print your own title cards. I recommend that you print them on 30# paper so they will stay put. From Alan-hood at datex.co.uk Mon Jun 8 02:36:23 2009 From: Alan-hood at datex.co.uk (Alan-hood@datex.co.uk) Date: Mon Jun 8 02:30:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Antique Bubbler gripper bow Message-ID: <655B3C747F0C0641901676E8D84957A0012951@NTPDC1> Hi, If the mechanism is a Rowe Ami CD then forget the lubrication in fact clean off any traces of oil from the gripper bow. Strip it down and wash all the parts in warm soapy water to get rid of the lubrication. Repack the Trunion (the alloy casting the gripper bow goes trough) with grease and reassemble check the gripper bow and the gears for any wear and replace if needed. Check out the transfer setting on the mechanism with any Rowe CD manual. Regards Alan Hood ami-man UK alan-hood@datex.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER The information and any attachment with this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please notify the sender and delete the message immediately. Unauthorised disclosure, distribution and copying of this email are strictly prohibited The opinions expressed within this message are those of the individual author. Whilst Datex Systems takes reasonable steps to scan this email it does not accept liability for any virus that may be contained in it. ____________________________________________________________________ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jun 8 08:16:11 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jun 8 08:17:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Questions about motor run capacitors - 50s Seeburg Message-ID: <799852.54928.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mark, It has been my experience, some seem to last forever. It's very unusual that they show any failure signs. When they fail, the motor just won't run. I have never seen one that would cause a "slow motor", but I suppose that if one section was bad, it could happen. BTW, replacements are available at www.verntisdale.com . Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Mark Addleson wrote: From: Mark Addleson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Questions about motor run capacitors - 50s Seeburg To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 9:17 PM I haven't seen much on this list (or anywhere for that matter) about motor run caps on Seeburg mechs.? I'm not yet at the point of testing my mech - the machine wasn't in running order when I purchased it - but I'm curious about what to do about these so I thought I'd ask the experts. I presume they are regular can electrolytics and prone to go bad.? Should they be replaced as a matter of course (after 50 odd years) or are they somehow more robust than other electrolytics?? What is the indication that you have a bad motor run cap?? When the motor is slow to start or drags? Thanks Mark ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 8 10:54:19 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 8 10:56:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Message-ID: <20090608.135419.8572.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Has anyone had difficulty using the thick paper stock you're talking about here with a computer printer?? I have 2 Brother top-of-the-line "4-in-one" machines (i.e. printer/copier/fax/scanner) where the paper feed jams/fails if I try to use anything thicker than 24 lb high-quality "letterhead" paper. Any advice?? Thanks, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Keep clean no matter where you are with a portable shower. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYUV4QOrz2yCcic1G0vbRkejmirDG2OSZRU5pzWQC6yET4WvsQEAYQ/ From ccos at knology.net Mon Jun 8 11:05:23 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Columbus Coin-Op Shop) Date: Mon Jun 8 11:07:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! In-Reply-To: <20090608.135419.8572.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090608.135419.8572.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <009801c9e863$b19b6f90$14d24eb0$@net> Hey Jim, I also use a brother 4-1 printer. I always used HP in the past but the last time one quit on me, they were just about giving this brother away and I just had to give it a try. I use 24# card stock in tray 2 regularly with no problems but have never tried anything thicker. I have found however, that the auto feeder for the copier/scanner will not pull in 24# card stock very well and I wind up with messed up copies. For those, I have to raise the platen cover and insert the page to be faxed/copied/scanned manually. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 1:54 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Gentlemen: Has anyone had difficulty using the thick paper stock you're talking about here with a computer printer?? I have 2 Brother top-of-the-line "4-in-one" machines (i.e. printer/copier/fax/scanner) where the paper feed jams/fails if I try to use anything thicker than 24 lb high-quality "letterhead" paper. Any advice?? Thanks, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Keep clean no matter where you are with a portable shower. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYUV4QOrz2yCcic1G0vbRkej mirDG2OSZRU5pzWQC6yET4WvsQEAYQ/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 8 11:57:08 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 8 12:00:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Message-ID: <20090608.145708.8572.3@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Karl: The Brother brand MF-240C printers have been very dependable for me, except for the too-thick paper-handling function. They are also a little fussy over what ink cartridges you can use. An economical way to make that work is to have one of the independent ink-refill services refill your genuine Brother ink cartridges. Don't throw away the empties. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Turn life into a beach with a new sandbox. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTiXvfdGQb3xBmGcWDsAmUS6QFBMwqzkK0D7CDmMbsDFeddRX5Uac/ From ronsjukebox at yahoo.com Mon Jun 8 13:05:26 2009 From: ronsjukebox at yahoo.com (ron jukebox) Date: Mon Jun 8 13:12:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola CD Fireball maintenance questions Message-ID: <809800.9327.qm@web43512.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello All, ? It has been quite a while since I have asked for your expert help and hopefully this is an easy one.? Actually, two.? I recently picked up a Nostalgia Fireball CD juke (B model).?? I got a deal on it, so now it sits side by side with my Rowe R-92 vinyl.? ? This juke had a life in a boat club, and smelled of cigarette smoke something awful.? After many hours of scrubbing all the parts I feel I can safely scrub, it still smells a little of cigarette smoke.?? It is mainly coming for the inside of the juke where the electronics are.?? I have carefully wiped all I can in this area.?? It has helped.? I have placed an Arm & Hammer Refrigerator deodorizer inside.? ? Here are my two questions.? First,? does anyone have an idea (short of removing the components and cleaning) to rid the smell of smoke???? Second, is more of a maintenance question.? While the lid was in the up position and I was checking the CD carriage mechanism, it made a rubbing sound.? I took the mechanism out and saw that the two shiny guide rails for the mechanism were a little "gunked" up.? I cleaned them with alcohol (not the good kind) but before I put it back in the juke, I used a light machine oil on the rails, wiping off the excess.?? I am wondering if I shouldn't use white grease instead or nothing at all.?? Oils sometimes gel up and make matters worse later.?? So, what is the proper maintenance for these rails?? ? I thank all of you in advance.? ? Ron From rudymart at charter.net Mon Jun 8 14:14:16 2009 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Mon Jun 8 14:46:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s Message-ID: <75BBDA4522AC49C68D5BDBC32527D8CF@luluPC> cannot select 3 or 8 for all letters (a-k). when I try these selections, 4 or 9 is selected for all letters. all other number and letters select as they should. could use some help finding a solution to my problem. thanks rudy oh yes when I select 4 or 9 for all letters they are selected. From Trollmasters at webtv.net Mon Jun 8 15:05:55 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Mon Jun 8 15:07:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola CD Fireball maintenance questions In-Reply-To: ron jukebox 's message of Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14170-4A2D8B43-4880@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Ron, I dont know about the lubing the rails question you had, but as far as the smoke smell, it sounds like you have tried alot of good ideas, esp. the arm and hammer. The only other thing might be spraying some air freshner in the cabinet on some non-electronic parts, like the sidewalls etc, or get one of those room air freshners thats like a stick or whatever that you just place in the box. Or a car air freshner on a string even. You might have a "flowery" smelling jukebox for awhile, at least till the rest of the cigarette smell wears off. 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(http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) From jay at west.net Mon Jun 8 18:00:08 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jun 8 18:01:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Message timestamps In-Reply-To: <857650.79673.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <857650.79673.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2DB418.7040508@west.net> Lala Blah Blah wrote: > Hi: > Please I ask all members (I am not the creator of this site) but am asking nicely if you could please correct your computer dates and times. It plays havoc on most of my buddys computers as well as mine. The messages get buried and we cannot find them when the date is out. We have to sift past pages of old emails to find it and in most cases delete it as we are so annoyed. Please note this thank you. Part of this may be my fault. Occasionally a member will post from an address other than the one subscribed, or a new person will post to the list who isn't a member. These messages get held for approval, and when I approve them they will appear with the original timestamp which will be in the past. I usually approve messages within a day or two, but occasionally it can slip a bit. When this happens you'll sometimes see a message that pops up a few days late. Occasionally the person will re-send the same message from a subscribed address while the original is waiting approval which will result in a duplicate message with two different timestamps. If my approval speed isn't quick enough, let me know and I'll give you a full refund of your subscription fees. [1] [1] That's a joke. There is no fee for this list, of course. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Mon Jun 8 18:06:25 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Mon Jun 8 18:08:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Message timestamps Message-ID: <431197.64774.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> LOL!! Good one Jay.. thanks. Not a problem puts an end to the mystery. --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Message timestamps To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Monday, June 8, 2009, 9:00 PM Lala Blah Blah wrote: > Hi: > Please I ask all members (I am not the creator of this site) but am asking nicely if you could please correct your computer dates and times. It plays havoc on most of my buddys computers as well as mine. The messages get buried and we cannot find them when the date is out. We have to sift past pages of old emails to find it and in most cases delete it as we are so annoyed. Please note this thank you. Part of this may be my fault.? Occasionally a member will post from an address other than the one subscribed, or a new person will post to the list who isn't a member.? These messages get held for approval, and when I approve them they will appear with the original timestamp which will be in the past. I usually approve messages within a day or two, but occasionally it can slip a bit.? When this happens you'll sometimes see a message that pops up a few days late. Occasionally the person will re-send the same message from a subscribed address while the original is waiting approval which will result in a duplicate message with two different timestamps. If my approval speed isn't quick enough, let me know and I'll give you a full refund of your subscription fees. [1] [1] That's a joke.? There is no fee for this list, of course. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From jay at west.net Mon Jun 8 18:13:47 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jun 8 18:15:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Questions about motor run capacitors - 50s Seeburg In-Reply-To: <03373673E66C4633A0AE3A94E9CABF5B@MarkVaio> References: <03373673E66C4633A0AE3A94E9CABF5B@MarkVaio> Message-ID: <4A2DB74B.3070208@west.net> Mark Addleson wrote: > I haven't seen much on this list (or anywhere for that matter) about motor > run caps on Seeburg mechs. I'm not yet at the point of testing my mech - > the machine wasn't in running order when I purchased it - but I'm curious > about what to do about these so I thought I'd ask the experts. > > I presume they are regular can electrolytics and prone to go bad. Should > they be replaced as a matter of course (after 50 odd years) or are they > somehow more robust than other electrolytics? What is the indication that > you have a bad motor run cap? When the motor is slow to start or drags? They are definitely not electrolytics. The originals are two-section paper-in-oil caps. The oil *may* contain PCB which is considered toxic, best not to cut them open to look. Many capacitors made during this time frame are made with PCB oil. They're probably at least as good as any other 50-year-old capacitor, meaning that if it's still working you're lucky and it may fail tomorrow. The symptoms are typically a motor that doesn't "spin up" quickly if at all, usually runs OK if given a nudge but lacks power. Drop-in replacements are available here: http://www.jukeboxologist.com/Capacitors.html The replacements are likely mylar AC-rated capacitors potted in a look-alike case. I've used them with good results. They work and fit well. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jdl1981 at ymail.com Mon Jun 8 18:44:46 2009 From: jdl1981 at ymail.com (Josh Loman) Date: Mon Jun 8 18:46:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of Rockola 1432 Message-ID: <165924.52516.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I just bought a Rockola 1432 that is in good?physical?condition but is missing the amp. I have found a rebuilt amp online for $350 so that really isn't an issue as I feel that is a good price especially since it is rebuilt. The Juke's working condition is unknown but it is 100% complete. All of the glass is in great condition and the plastic is all flawless as is the chrome. I have always owned Seeburgs and this is my first of two Rockola's as I also bought a 1454 a few weeks ago that I have not started on. The main reason I am asking this is to first know if I got a good deal and what it is worth restored. I want to know if it is worth my time and money to do a 100% restoration on this box. I like its looks but I have gotten a mixed reaction from friends so I am not sure if this is a very desirable Juke. Thank you all in advance for your information. ? From jdl1981 at ymail.com Mon Jun 8 18:50:19 2009 From: jdl1981 at ymail.com (Josh Loman) Date: Mon Jun 8 18:51:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Value Question Message-ID: <701394.74567.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have a Rockola 1454 that is not working but is complete and in good condition. I have not had a chance to do anything to it other than make sure it is solid and complete. As you have probably read I also bought a 1432 that I like much better so I am probably going to sell the 1454. What is the average value for this box in this condition. The person I bought it from said it came from their bar a long time ago and was replaced by a CD juke and they kept it in their garage for the past 10 or so years. It was working when they put it there and now it turns on and scans but will not pick up. I have not tested the amp. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I apologize for the newbe questions. I have always been a seeburg guy. Thank you all in advance.? From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Jun 8 18:59:49 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Jun 8 19:01:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Value Question In-Reply-To: <701394.74567.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <701394.74567.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431640C2CBB4F8DBBAE0746F0122F07@CHRISLAPTOP> Hey, Is this Josh from SMC ? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Loman" To: Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:50 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Value Question I have a Rockola 1454 that is not working but is complete and in good condition. I have not had a chance to do anything to it other than make sure it is solid and complete. As you have probably read I also bought a 1432 that I like much better so I am probably going to sell the 1454. What is the average value for this box in this condition. The person I bought it from said it came from their bar a long time ago and was replaced by a CD juke and they kept it in their garage for the past 10 or so years. It was working when they put it there and now it turns on and scans but will not pick up. I have not tested the amp. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I apologize for the newbe questions. I have always been a seeburg guy. Thank you all in advance. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 19:02:17 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Jun 8 19:03:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Value Question In-Reply-To: <701394.74567.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <701394.74567.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Have you tried manually moving a pin to see if it will pick up a record? It might be that the selector pins are gummed up and not moving when the selection is made. They should move fairly freely. As to the value, it is all going to depend on the jukes condition and where you are located. And even then, value will be kind of hard to pin down because the jukebox market just isn't what it used to be. I guess the economy has put a lower ceiling on what people are willing to spend. My advice is to fix it up and hang on to it for a couple years... :) Thomas On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Josh Loman wrote: > I have a Rockola 1454 that is not working but is complete and in good > condition. I have not had a chance to do anything to it other than make sure > it is solid and complete. As you have probably read I also bought a 1432 > that I like much better so I am probably going to sell the 1454. What is the > average value for this box in this condition. The person I bought it from > said it came from their bar a long time ago and was replaced by a CD juke > and they kept it in their garage for the past 10 or so years. It was working > when they put it there and now it turns on and scans but will not pick up. I > have not tested the amp. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I > apologize for the newbe questions. I have always been a seeburg guy. Thank > you all in advance. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Jun 8 19:12:05 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Jun 8 19:13:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Message-ID: <595354.83646.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Ken wrote: Hi, Ken, welcome to the group! However... :-) > It's a Rowe/AMI CD-51-a > rather compact juke;it fits just right in my "man cave"... Where did this phrase come from? I'd never heard it until a few months ago, and it sounds an awful lot like a perjorative term styled by a disgruntled wife. Would any man referring to a room designed by his wife (ie, most rooms in any typical couple's house) as a "woman cave" expect to survive the resulting confrontation? :-) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jun 8 19:52:32 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jun 8 19:54:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Questions about motor run capacitors - 50s Seeburg Message-ID: <29749.49189.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Are those still available? Tom's sister told me she was sold out--some time ago-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Questions about motor run capacitors - 50s Seeburg To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 6:13 PM Mark Addleson wrote: > I haven't seen much on this list (or anywhere for that matter) about motor > run caps on Seeburg mechs.? I'm not yet at the point of testing my mech - > the machine wasn't in running order when I purchased it - but I'm curious > about what to do about these so I thought I'd ask the experts. >? I presume they are regular can electrolytics and prone to go bad.? Should > they be replaced as a matter of course (after 50 odd years) or are they > somehow more robust than other electrolytics?? What is the indication that > you have a bad motor run cap?? When the motor is slow to start or drags? They are definitely not electrolytics. The originals are two-section paper-in-oil caps.? The oil *may* contain PCB which is considered toxic, best not to cut them open to look.? Many capacitors made during this time frame are made with PCB oil.? They're probably at least as good as any other 50-year-old capacitor, meaning that if it's still working you're lucky and it may fail tomorrow. The symptoms are typically a motor that doesn't "spin up" quickly if at all, usually runs OK if given a nudge but lacks power. Drop-in replacements are available here: http://www.jukeboxologist.com/Capacitors.html The replacements are likely mylar AC-rated capacitors potted in a look-alike case.? I've used them with good results.? They work and fit well. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jun 8 19:54:31 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jun 8 19:56:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Message-ID: <86158.46544.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> OK--I'll say it --Hell NO !!? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 6/8/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 7:12 PM --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Ken wrote: Hi, Ken, welcome to the group! However...? :-) > It's a Rowe/AMI CD-51-a > rather compact juke;it fits just right in my "man cave"... Where did this phrase come from?? I'd never heard it until a few months ago, and it sounds an awful lot like a perjorative term styled by a disgruntled wife.? Would any man referring to a room designed by his wife (ie, most rooms in any typical couple's house) as a "woman cave" expect to survive the resulting confrontation?? :-) ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ddmaow at yahoo.com Mon Jun 8 21:47:26 2009 From: ddmaow at yahoo.com (Di Di Mao) Date: Mon Jun 8 21:48:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Questions about motor run capacitors - 50s Seeburg Message-ID: <570114.65813.qm@web45402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The phase shift from the capacitor creates a rotating magnetic field for the motor. The motor speed is synchronous to the power line (some "slippage" does occur) so the speed isn't quite what you would expect if you counted poles and multiplied the numbers out. In my limited experience, these old caps measure almost exactly to their specified values. I think they are oil filled (or PCB's maybe?), not electrolytics. Every case of slow speed I have seen has been due to dry bearings on the mechanism. The bearing cap at the top of the shaft coming from the motor itself and the one on the shaft going down to the clutch assembly are the usual suspects. Preserve the life of these mechs. Lubricate every one you see! From ddmaow at yahoo.com Mon Jun 8 21:59:09 2009 From: ddmaow at yahoo.com (Di Di Mao) Date: Mon Jun 8 22:06:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola CD Fireball maintenance questions Message-ID: <779696.15183.qm@web45415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I hate that smell. Regarding the carriage rails, the most common practice is to use a fluorosilicone grease. Some early manufacturers did specify oil, BUT there were actually some CD mechs that bind on the rails if you use oil. If the mech is really dirty, check for grit in the gears that drive the carriage. Clean if necessary. From perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jun 8 22:56:08 2009 From: perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk (glyn morgan) Date: Mon Jun 8 22:57:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <888225.40826.qm@web24610.mail.ird.yahoo.com> hi i have a consul 120 nsm with speed problems, it plays as if records out of centre speeding up &slowing down. Playing arm doesnt seem to move back & fore while playing, i have changed band that fits around turntable. Drive belt looks ok. HELP! thanks Glyn From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 8 22:55:26 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 8 22:59:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD 160 Vogue II Selection Playing Problem Message-ID: <20090609.015526.5029.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hi: RE: 1975 Seeburg Entertainer STD-2 juke You are asking which "book" to buy. I'm assuming that you are looking for a service manual. To get all the tech. information for your STD-2, it is contained in several separate reprinted manuals published by AMR. AMR jukebox service manual distributors that usually stock the books are Always Jukin' (web: www.alwaysjukin.com) or Victory Glass (web: www.victoryglass.com) I suggest that you buy AMR package # R-360A which includes service books R-360 (the STD-2 instructions operation parts manual) R-345 (schematics and details for all major electronic components) and R-343 (the Seeburg player mech manual) This combination will give you all tech info except for the 2 Microlog modules. There are drawings, schematics in each book that interconnect with diagrams in the other books. If you've got other 70's Seeburg serv manuals, you may not need to buy the full set. The STD-2 is equipped with Seeburg's Microlog Tormat control system,used in most of their 70's jukeboxes. If you need schematics, service data for the Black and Gray box modules you will need to buy AMR manuals R-435 and R-346. Beware buying new steeply discounted service manuals shown on some E bay sites. Many of these are incomplete low-quality copies, lacking all the schematics. Hope this answers your question Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ New to Digital Photography? Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ344x92t60UuwHoFImPOKZ1LV5bQFqvOEN9iNE1HLbselpZMlmRS/ From Alan-hood at datex.co.uk Tue Jun 9 01:44:34 2009 From: Alan-hood at datex.co.uk (Alan-hood@datex.co.uk) Date: Tue Jun 9 01:38:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aren't all clocks "automatic Message-ID: <655B3C747F0C0641901676E8D84957A0012955@NTPDC1> Hi Ron, To alter the time and date open the control panel on your computer and go to time and date. When the window opens you can correct the time, date or timeline. There is an option to download the current internet time. Regards Alan Alan Hood ami-man UK ____________________________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER The information and any attachment with this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please notify the sender and delete the message immediately. Unauthorised disclosure, distribution and copying of this email are strictly prohibited The opinions expressed within this message are those of the individual author. Whilst Datex Systems takes reasonable steps to scan this email it does not accept liability for any virus that may be contained in it. ____________________________________________________________________ From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Jun 9 04:47:05 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Jun 9 04:48:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM consul 120 In-Reply-To: <888225.40826.qm@web24610.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <888225.40826.qm@web24610.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090609114057.M32784@dwave.net> Hi Glyn, Please use a subject when posting to the group - easier to find in the archives. NSM advice on the 45 rpm players is hard to come by in this group and the USA. Most juke people shy away from them - with good reason (parts availability being one of those). I have some first hand knowledge with the Satellite models but that's it for NSM. I think the carriage in the consul 120 is different. Can you send me a photo or two of your juke carrage? Then I might be able to help you locate the source of the problem. Email me off the list as you can't attach photos on this list. Thanks Jeremy Agema On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), glyn morgan wrote > hi > i have a consul 120 nsm with speed problems, it plays as if records > out of centre speeding up &slowing down. Playing arm doesnt seem to > move back & fore while playing, i have changed band that fits around > turntable. Drive belt looks ok. HELP! thanks Glyn > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From d_duncan at ntlworld.com Tue Jun 9 05:33:42 2009 From: d_duncan at ntlworld.com (Doug Duncan) Date: Tue Jun 9 05:44:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <888225.40826.qm@web24610.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <888225.40826.qm@web24610.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2E56A6.2010603@ntlworld.com> glyn morgan wrote: > hi > i have a consul 120 nsm with speed problems, it plays as if records out of centre speeding up &slowing down. Playing arm doesnt seem to move back & fore while playing, i have changed band that fits around turntable. Drive belt looks ok. HELP! > thanks > Glyn > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.56/2162 - Release Date: 06/08/09 06:01:00 > > I believe that there is an idler pulley that runs on a spindle and runs against the rubber ring round the turntable. Have you checked that the grease on the spindle is not hardened? Or that there is indeed some lubricant there? I would guess that giving this a clean out and re-grease might help. I am also making the assumption (perhaps I shouldn't) that you have tried turning the turntable by hand, preferably without the idler in contact to make sure that it isn't binding. If this doesn't help then it may be worth your while to visit the Stamann Musikboxen site where there is a forum that covers NSM boxes in more detail. http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Introduction.htm Although it is in German many of the people on there are able and willing to deal with monoglot English speakers. Doug From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 9 05:55:42 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Tue Jun 9 05:57:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Message-ID: <614585.48642.qm@web63201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hehehe...thanks to all for such a warm welcome to the group! Actually it was my g/f that came up with the phrase-it was all her idea lol.....my retro room/man cave has lots to keep me busy-stereo TV w/combo vcr dvdr;over 400 dvds & vhs's;computer;1000's & 1000's of baseball cards,a EM pinball machine & now a jukebox.everyone is invited;just bring your quarters hahaha.......The only other things I'm looking for for my 'cave' are some retro looking signs,and mybe a small soda & candy machine...even with all this the g/f doesnt complain that I spend too much time down in the cellar...speaking of the g/f....I bought an engagement ring that she doesnt know about;just trying to figure out a romantic proposal.....the juke doesn need some minor things;I'm lucky it came with the parts & service manual.Any tips anyone can pass along would be greatly appreciated! Thanks again! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 10:54 PM OK--I'll say it --Hell NO !!? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 6/8/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 7:12 PM --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Ken wrote: Hi, Ken, welcome to the group! However...? :-) > It's a Rowe/AMI CD-51-a > rather compact juke;it fits just right in my "man cave"... Where did this phrase come from?? I'd never heard it until a few months ago, and it sounds an awful lot like a perjorative term styled by a disgruntled wife.? Would any man referring to a room designed by his wife (ie, most rooms in any typical couple's house) as a "woman cave" expect to survive the resulting confrontation?? :-) ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dave.halford at telent.com Tue Jun 9 07:07:28 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Tue Jun 9 07:11:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! In-Reply-To: <614585.48642.qm@web63201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090609140759.88E522BEAA6@blade205.la.inty.net> Try an E body Mopar on the drive, that might just tip her over the edge. regards Dave H Ken To Sent by: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list-boun ces@lists.netloji cc x.com Subject Re: [Jukebox-list] New member 09/06/2009 13:57 here;just got 1st Jukebox! Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Hehehe...thanks to all for such a warm welcome to the group! Actually it was my g/f that came up with the phrase-it was all her idea lol.....my retro room/man cave has lots to keep me busy-stereo TV w/combo vcr dvdr;over 400 dvds & vhs's;computer;1000's & 1000's of baseball cards,a EM pinball machine & now a jukebox.everyone is invited;just bring your quarters hahaha.......The only other things I'm looking for for my 'cave' are some retro looking signs,and mybe a small soda & candy machine...even with all this the g/f doesnt complain that I spend too much time down in the cellar...speaking of the g/f....I bought an engagement ring that she doesnt know about;just trying to figure out a romantic proposal.....the juke doesn need some minor things;I'm lucky it came with the parts & service manual.Any tips anyone can pass along would be greatly appreciated! Thanks again! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 10:54 PM OK--I'll say it --Hell NO !!? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 6/8/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 7:12 PM --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Ken wrote: Hi, Ken, welcome to the group! However...? :-) > It's a Rowe/AMI CD-51-a > rather compact juke;it fits just right in my "man cave"... Where did this phrase come from?? I'd never heard it until a few months ago, and it sounds an awful lot like a perjorative term styled by a disgruntled wife.? Would any man referring to a room designed by his wife (ie, most rooms in any typical couple's house) as a "woman cave" expect to survive the resulting confrontation?? :-) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jun 9 08:43:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jun 9 08:45:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD 160 Vogue II Selection Playing Problem Message-ID: <990169.50948.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim is correct in everything listed, however, the "Best" service Manual for the "Microlog series" phonos is the one for the USC-1. The cabinet wiring schematic, will be slightly different from yur model, but you can sort it out. The Amp will be totally different. I would suggest that for the Amp, Black/Grey boxes, that (the late) Tony Miller's books be used. IMHO, I would also suggest my "Seeburg Mechanism Guide", and my "Seeburg Microlog Trouble Shoting Guide", may be of some value---(least I hope so--)? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 6/8/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD 160 Vogue II Selection Playing Problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 10:55 PM Hi: RE:? 1975 Seeburg Entertainer STD-2 juke You are asking which "book" to buy.???I'm assuming that you are looking for a service manual. To get all the tech. information for your STD-2, it is contained in several separate reprinted manuals published by AMR.???AMR jukebox service manual distributors that usually stock the books are Always Jukin' (web: www..alwaysjukin.com)? or Victory Glass (web: www.victoryglass.com) I suggest that you buy AMR package # R-360A? which includes service books R-360 (the STD-2 instructions operation parts manual)? R-345? (schematics and details for all major electronic components)? and R-343? (the Seeburg player mech manual) This combination will give you all tech info except for the 2 Microlog modules.???There are drawings, schematics in each book that interconnect with diagrams in the other books. If you've got other 70's Seeburg serv manuals, you may not need to buy the full set. The STD-2 is equipped with Seeburg's Microlog Tormat control system,used in most of their 70's jukeboxes.? ? If you need schematics, service data for the Black and Gray box modules you will need to buy? AMR manuals R-435 and R-346.? ? Beware buying new steeply discounted service manuals shown on some E bay sites. Many of these are incomplete low-quality copies, lacking all the schematics. Hope this answers your question Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ New to Digital Photography? 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There is an option to download the current internet time. Regards Alan Alan Hood ami-man UK ____________________________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER The information and any attachment with this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please notify the sender and delete the message immediately. Unauthorised disclosure, distribution and copying of this email are strictly prohibited The opinions expressed within this message are those of the individual author. Whilst Datex Systems takes reasonable steps to scan this email it does not accept liability for any virus that may be contained in it. ____________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jun 9 08:50:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jun 9 08:52:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM consul 120 Message-ID: <136800.43339.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jeremy, You just triggered something in my memory--didn't? they change from an AC to a? DC (or vice versa) turntable motor, due to "speed problems" at sometime ???? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: From: Jeremy Agema Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM consul 120 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 4:47 AM Hi Glyn, Please use a subject when posting to the group - easier to find in the archives. NSM advice on the 45 rpm players is hard to come by in this group and the USA. Most juke people shy away from them - with good reason (parts availability being one of those). I have some first hand knowledge with the Satellite models but that's it for NSM. I think the carriage in the consul 120 is different. Can you send me a photo or two of your juke carrage? Then I might be able to help you locate the source of the problem. Email me off the list as you can't attach photos on this list. Thanks Jeremy Agema On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), glyn morgan wrote > hi >? i have a consul 120 nsm with speed problems, it plays as if records > out of centre speeding up &slowing down. Playing arm doesnt seem to > move back & fore while playing, i have changed band that fits around > turntable. Drive belt looks ok. HELP!? ???thanks? ? ? ? Glyn > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jun 9 09:20:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jun 9 09:21:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 6EU7 Tubes Message-ID: <68383.77954.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Does anyone happen to have excess 6EU7 tubes that I can purchase at a "reasonable" price ?? I need 4. If so, please contact me at? ronnnrich@yahoo.com -TIA, Ron Rich From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jun 9 09:37:54 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jun 9 09:41:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM consul 120 Message-ID: <20090609.123754.29416.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: RE: NSM vinyl jukebox parts availability Recently I've seen quite a few posts here where people are searching for OEM parts for NSM 60's-70's-80's era vinyl playing jukes. It can be a challenge to find older NSM parts in the US.as these machines weren't that plentiful. They were popular in the UK ,Europe and Australia. John Durfee at Durfee Coin Op in Massachusetts (web: www.jukeboxparts.com) recently acquired a large number of NSM vinyl jukes, either to sell as complete machines or as parts donors. He should be posting these on his website soon, if they are not there already. Good luck with your parts searches. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You have a right to seek justice! Click here to find experienced lawyers across the USA. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbp16HO0UBPajj8viXwuy4M6DW73OW0agy5V1B0taCHk0PSBntW0o/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jun 9 10:19:40 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jun 9 10:21:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Blanks (Was: New member here; just got 1st Jukebox!) Message-ID: <188322.40004.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Ron Rich wrote: > I am an old operator--I use title > strip "blanks" Where do you get those now? I'm out of singles and almost out of Duplex ones. (I don't own a printer. If I need something printed I do it at work or Kinko's.) From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jun 9 11:35:38 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jun 9 11:38:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Blanks (Was: New member here; just got 1st Jukebox!) Message-ID: <20090609.143538.29430.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> David: The blank AMR-style perforated title strip cards are still being sold by Always Jukin' (web: www.alwaysjukin.com) They have both a duplex and the single strip (for 78 RPM) tile card holders. There are 20 strips to each 8.5" x 11" page that can be used with either a printer, typewriter or handwritten. There are some vendors on E Bay that still sell the original-style Star Brand title strips that have to be used with a typewriter. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji7VdRBAPd5yoA348Xel9vJBrZRPkGeqCUcVT7N8oesBeAGIXfC/ From powdered123 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 9 12:25:12 2009 From: powdered123 at yahoo.com (powdered123@yahoo.com) Date: Tue Jun 9 12:26:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe/AMI WQ-200 wallbox Message-ID: <588630.51999.qm@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From powdered123@yahoo.com ? I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. I think it is the WQ-200? Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Would other AMI wallboxes work? 3.?Any for Sale? thanks. From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Tue Jun 9 12:56:13 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Tue Jun 9 12:57:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe/AMI WQ-200 wallbox In-Reply-To: <588630.51999.qm@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <588630.51999.qm@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003001c9e93c$57d4e750$077eb5f0$@force9.co.uk> Hi, Yes, you will need a stepper (Rowe CGA) and power supply (PL10-A I think). This stepper is pretty configurable and will work with a variety of wallboxes. I have a JBM200 with an NSM, Seeburg and Wurlitzer wallbox all connected at the same time. The Rowe pulse train is one pulse different, so would not work with all the other wallboxes I have connected. Get the stepper and power supply then worry about the wallbox - almost any electro mechanical will work with this stepper. On the JBM Tropicana you have to move a switch under the button bank, and solder 2 diodes in. Earlier versions of the machine don?t have the switch. I have this info in the stepper manual somewhere if you need it. Regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of powdered123@yahoo.com Sent: 09 June 2009 20:25 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe/AMI WQ-200 wallbox >From powdered123@yahoo.com ? I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. I think it is the WQ-200? Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Would other AMI wallboxes work? 3.?Any for Sale? thanks. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From roywdean at cox.net Tue Jun 9 13:55:47 2009 From: roywdean at cox.net (Roy Dean) Date: Tue Jun 9 13:57:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe/AMI WQ-200 wallbox References: <588630.51999.qm@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5B3477C9F48B434E8361E34DA8E57F7E@PAW> Hi I should have a stepper and a wallbox for your AMI contact me off the list. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND >From powdered123@yahoo.com I have a working Rowe/AMI model JBM-200 jukebox. Am interested in adding a wallbox. I think it is the WQ-200? Questions 1. is anything else needed? I've seen mention of a stepper and or extra power supply 2. Would other AMI wallboxes work? 3. Any for Sale? thanks. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From y2kvette at verizon.net Tue Jun 9 15:30:35 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Tue Jun 9 16:05:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Blanks (Was: New member here; just got 1st Jukebox!) References: <188322.40004.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <89FE6CA736D34DEFAEAF6ADBB5F259C9@TCSShop> Check ebay. There is one that is a subscription for $7.45. You go on line to their site to use it and the strips look just like the ones from back when. You can even demo it from the ebay listing. The number of the listing that I just bought is: #320378863072 Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Blanks (Was: New member here; just got 1st Jukebox!) > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Ron Rich wrote: > >> I am an old operator--I use title >> strip "blanks" > > Where do you get those now? I'm out of singles and > almost out of Duplex ones. (I don't own a printer. If > I need something printed I do it at work or Kinko's.) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 15:03:47 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Tue Jun 9 16:14:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NOS Rockola write-in coils? Message-ID: Does anybody have a source for NOS write-in coils as used on a Rockola 440? This juke was very over-fused in the past, and two of the four are toast, and the other 2 are questionable. I have some used ones, but I think this customer would prefer new if they are available. Thanks in advance, Thomas -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jun 9 16:50:25 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jun 9 16:52:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NOS Rockola write-in coils? Message-ID: <97101.89914.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thomas, I believe Vern Tisdale sells em--www.verntisdale.com? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: [Jukebox-list] NOS Rockola write-in coils? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 3:03 PM Does anybody have a source for NOS write-in coils as used on a Rockola 440? This juke was very over-fused in the past, and two of the four are toast, and the other 2 are questionable. I have some used ones, but I think this customer would prefer new if they are available. Thanks in advance, Thomas -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From donshawnmyself at aol.com Tue Jun 9 16:48:21 2009 From: donshawnmyself at aol.com (donshawnmyself@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 9 16:56:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1015 OMT speaker replacement Message-ID: <8CBB773E7D84912-1194-1D4C@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> I am looking to replace my tweeters on my Wurlitzer 1015 OMT. Can anyone recommend a great sounding set that will bolt up without modifying? If not, i will replace with another set of originals. Please, point me in the right direction. Thanks Don From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Jun 9 18:28:43 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Jun 9 18:30:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AC or DC motors on NSM (was NSM consul 120) In-Reply-To: <136800.43339.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <136800.43339.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090610011441.M3021@dwave.net> Ron, I wish I knew the answer! I also wish such changes were better documented. I would like to know what mech fits what model, etc. I would also like to find some service bulletins on these machines. I can tell you that on the ESIII and newer - starting with the Concert 240I - they have AC motors with a thermistor type setup to adjust speed with the temp. I am not sure how well that worked out as on my machines the thermistors are removed. I have a spare mech that I think is ESII and it also has AC motors on it. I have seen photos of a older type mech that has a larger motor that is belt driven - that system could be DC, not sure. Wish I could be more help. Jeremy Agema On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 08:50:47 -0700 (PDT), Ron Rich wrote > Jeremy, > You just triggered something in my memory--didn't? they change from > an AC to a? DC (or vice versa) turntable motor, due to "speed > problems" at sometime ???? Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > From: Jeremy Agema > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM consul 120 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 4:47 AM > > Hi Glyn, Please use a subject when posting to the group - easier to > find in the archives. > > NSM advice on the 45 rpm players is hard to come by in this group > and the USA. Most juke people shy away from them - with good reason > (parts availability being one of those). > > I have some first hand knowledge with the Satellite models but > that's it for NSM. I think the carriage in the consul 120 is > different. Can you send me a photo or two of your juke carrage? Then > I might be able to help you locate the source of the problem. Email > me off the list as you can't attach photos on this list. > > Thanks > Jeremy Agema > > On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), glyn morgan wrote > > hi > >? i have a consul 120 nsm with speed problems, it plays as if records > > out of centre speeding up &slowing down. Playing arm doesnt seem to > > move back & fore while playing, i have changed band that fits around > > turntable. Drive belt looks ok. HELP!? ???thanks? ? ? ? Glyn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Tue Jun 9 20:07:51 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 9 20:17:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The smoking Rockola amp... Message-ID: <8CBB78FC68C3796-1148-1249@WEBMAIL-MY34.sysops.aol.com> A friend of mine did his first rebuild on my 408. Two tubes did not come on, no audio, and the thing started smoking on me. Obviously, he did something wrong... what should I have him look for? TIA-- j From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jun 9 20:27:56 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jun 9 20:29:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The smoking Rockola amp... Message-ID: <60281.822.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Oh, man, what I could come up with ( such as "a new friend", a "repairman" , "someone who knows what he's doing"-------) Anyway--look for the cap installed backwards, or to the wrong terminal--then the resister that has fried---Ron Rich --- On Tue, 6/9/09, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] The smoking Rockola amp... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 8:07 PM A friend of mine did his first rebuild on my 408. Two tubes did not come on, no audio, and the thing started smoking on me. Obviously, he did something wrong... what should I have him look for? TIA-- j _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 20:31:10 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Tue Jun 9 20:32:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The smoking Rockola amp... In-Reply-To: <8CBB78FC68C3796-1148-1249@WEBMAIL-MY34.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB78FC68C3796-1148-1249@WEBMAIL-MY34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: A new amp???? :) Sorry couldn't resist.... Thomas On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 10:07 PM, wrote: > A friend of mine did his first rebuild on my 408. Two tubes did not come > on, no audio, and the thing started smoking on me. Obviously, he did > something wrong... what should I have him look for? > > > > TIA-- > > j > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 20:48:41 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Tue Jun 9 20:50:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NOS Rockola write-in coils? In-Reply-To: <97101.89914.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <97101.89914.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ron, I'll give Vern a call... I was pretty sure somebody had some new coils. I've been playing with this juke most the night, and I'm not sure which would be better- me fixing it 100% for him or making an offer to buy it. It is in extraordinary condition cosmetically and mechanically is very good except for those coil issues... Just had alot of issues of issues with lack of maintenance such as lack of lubrication over the years and the normal other issues of an old juke such as bad turntable grommets,etc... But the music he had on it EXACTLY matches my taste- sounded great! :) Thomas On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Thomas, > I believe Vern Tisdale sells em--www.verntisdale.com Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: > > From: Thomas Teeter > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NOS Rockola write-in coils? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 3:03 PM > > Does anybody have a source for NOS write-in coils as used on a Rockola 440? > This juke was very over-fused in the past, and two of the four are toast, > and the other 2 are questionable. I have some used ones, but I think this > customer would prefer new if they are available. > > Thanks in advance, > Thomas > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From goldenflash60 at aol.com Tue Jun 9 21:36:33 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 9 21:44:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trying to identify proper carriage for nsm satellite 200 Message-ID: <8CBB79C2AE34134-109C-EE8@webmail-de11.sysops.aol.com> i am trying to locate a carriage unit for my nsm satellite 200.? i have talked to a few different people that have all told me different ones.? if anyone , other than you jeremy, has a working satellite 200, would you please help me identify the correct carriage for it.? there is a number on the back side of the carriage on a white sticker that i need to know.? i believe that is the only way to get the correct carriage for the jukebox.? thanks for any help, Tom From jay at west.net Tue Jun 9 21:47:34 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jun 9 21:49:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NOS Rockola write-in coils? In-Reply-To: References: <97101.89914.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2F3AE6.7010005@west.net> Thomas Teeter wrote: > Thanks Ron, I'll give Vern a call... I was pretty sure somebody had some new > coils. I've been playing with this juke most the night, and I'm not sure > which would be better- me fixing it 100% for him or making an offer to buy > it. It is in extraordinary condition cosmetically and mechanically is very > good except for those coil issues... Just had alot of issues of issues > with lack of maintenance such as lack of lubrication over the years and the > normal other issues of an old juke such as bad turntable grommets,etc... > But the music he had on it EXACTLY matches my taste- sounded great! :) If all else fails, you may be able to rewind the originals. Determine the wire gauge with a micrometer and count the turns as you unwind it. A surplus "Veeder-Root" counter can be rigged to make this easier if you don't have a coil winding machine. You don't have to be exact with the number of turns, if you wind to the same thickness you'll probably be close enough. This assumes that it's possible to get the bobbin out of the assembly to wind it. Some riveted or staked coil assemblies are difficult (to put it politely). -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinballpauls at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 21:48:30 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Tue Jun 9 21:50:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 448 gripper relay Message-ID: Hey does anyone know a source or the specs on the gripper relay coil (in the box under the mech) voltage and resistance. I have a largre number of pinball coils that might work if I knew the resistance. Paul Howlett Pinball Paul's From ccos at knology.net Tue Jun 9 22:30:59 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Tue Jun 9 22:32:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1015 OMT speaker replacement In-Reply-To: <8CBB773E7D84912-1194-1D4C@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBB773E7D84912-1194-1D4C@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Don, Are you sure your speakers need to be replaced? In my experience with relatively modern jukeboxes (OMT = One More Time.........or, newer 45 or CD jukebox produced by Wurlitzer) depending on the age and use, the woofers might need attention but I've yet to see one that needed other speaker replacement. Could it be that you are experiencing sound issues that may or may not be speaker related? As in, amp or wiring problems? In any case, I've tried lots of different speakers as subs in different jukeboxes over the years, figuring I'd save a few bucks and due to advances in technology, have better sound to boot. I was always wrong. If I can get them, when I need to replace speakers in jukeboxes, I opt for originals, even if I have to refoam them or send them out for reconing. Just my opinion, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1015 OMT speaker replacement > > I am looking to replace my tweeters on my Wurlitzer 1015 OMT. Can anyone > recommend a great sounding set that will bolt up without modifying? If > not, i will replace with another set of originals. Please, point me in the > right direction. > > Thanks > Don > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Tue Jun 9 22:32:54 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Tue Jun 9 22:34:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The smoking Rockola amp... In-Reply-To: References: <8CBB78FC68C3796-1148-1249@WEBMAIL-MY34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9CEB6A48402B449A9B2D786AA516FF0E@CCOSPC> OMG...........so often true with Rockola amps. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Teeter" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] The smoking Rockola amp... >A new amp???? :) > > Sorry couldn't resist.... > > > Thomas > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 10:07 PM, wrote: > >> A friend of mine did his first rebuild on my 408. Two tubes did not come >> on, no audio, and the thing started smoking on me. Obviously, he did >> something wrong... what should I have him look for? >> >> >> >> TIA-- >> >> j >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Wed Jun 10 03:20:44 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Wed Jun 10 03:27:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AC or DC motors on NSM (was NSM consul 120) References: <136800.43339.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20090610011441.M3021@dwave.net> Message-ID: <9C1D7ABE7D35421E82A5B12AC55C97B9@DFLXW121> Thanks for the thermistor tip. I have a Concert 240-III that starts slowly and speeds up to just a slight bit fast by the end of the first record. Everything spins freely, and I'd just learned to live with it, but now I can check out that thermistor circuit. Those carriages are finicky. The one in mine has a tendency where the tonearm skates inward before the needle touches the records, but only when playing the "A-Side" of the records. B-Side landing is fine. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Agema" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AC or DC motors on NSM (was NSM consul 120) > Ron, I wish I knew the answer! I also wish such changes were better > documented. I would like to know what mech fits what model, etc. I would > also like to find some service bulletins on these machines. > > I can tell you that on the ESIII and newer - starting with the Concert > 240I - they have AC motors with a thermistor type setup to adjust speed > with the temp. I am not sure how well that worked out as on my machines > the > thermistors are removed. I have a spare mech that I think is ESII and it > also has AC motors on it. > > I have seen photos of a older type mech that has a larger motor that is > belt > driven - that system could be DC, not sure. > > Wish I could be more help. > > Jeremy Agema > > > > On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 08:50:47 -0700 (PDT), Ron Rich wrote >> Jeremy, >> You just triggered something in my memory--didn't they change from >> an AC to a DC (or vice versa) turntable motor, due to "speed >> problems" at sometime ?? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: >> >> From: Jeremy Agema >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM consul 120 >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 4:47 AM >> >> Hi Glyn, Please use a subject when posting to the group - easier to >> find in the archives. >> >> NSM advice on the 45 rpm players is hard to come by in this group >> and the USA. Most juke people shy away from them - with good reason >> (parts availability being one of those). >> >> I have some first hand knowledge with the Satellite models but >> that's it for NSM. I think the carriage in the consul 120 is >> different. Can you send me a photo or two of your juke carrage? Then >> I might be able to help you locate the source of the problem. Email >> me off the list as you can't attach photos on this list. >> >> Thanks >> Jeremy Agema >> >> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), glyn morgan wrote >> > hi >> > i have a consul 120 nsm with speed problems, it plays as if records >> > out of centre speeding up &slowing down. Playing arm doesnt seem to >> > move back & fore while playing, i have changed band that fits around >> > turntable. Drive belt looks ok. HELP! thanks Glyn >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Jun 10 06:00:05 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Wed Jun 10 05:56:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Message-ID: <200906100900322.SM01888@[192.168.1.206]> Rich, Your photo didn't come through. I tried saving it out directly and it's nothing more than a single pixel image. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Ssg Rich Myers 19k20@comcast.net Sent 5/7/2009 11:56:32 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Here is a closer photo of my decal. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/G200_decal.JPG As you can see, it is a little worn. Is there anyone producing decals? I have read somewhere about water transfer and ink jet printers. Is water transfer how we used to sticker up our model planes? Does anyone have experience with this process? How do you get copy on computer? I assume, digital photo and transfer to photoshop or some other photo editing software, mirror image and print out 100% size on water transfer stock? If there is an easier, better, more economical way.....please let me know. Rich From jhayes2613 at aol.com Wed Jun 10 06:40:28 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 10 06:49:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The smoking Rockola amp... In-Reply-To: <60281.822.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <60281.822.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBB7E826C1D08A-1010-2A1A@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com> I see Ron is still his old self... The guy's a brilliant pinball tech, Ron.?Somewhat of a?newbie at jukes but NOT a dummy by any means. He's a neighbor and?was willing to give this a shot... no shipping and such.?Anyway, the amp was starting to smoke and smell a tad; I'll have him look for that backwards cap, and I take it we'll have to order a new resister...? -j -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:27 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] The smoking Rockola amp... Oh, man, what I could come up with ( such as "a new friend", a "repairman" , "someone who knows what he's doing"-------) Anyway--look for the cap installed backwards, or to the wrong terminal--then the resister that has fried---Ron Rich --- On Tue, 6/9/09, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] The smoking Rockola amp... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 8:07 PM A friend of mine did his first rebuild on my 408. Two tubes did not come on, no audio, and the thing started smoking on me. Obviously, he did something wrong... what should I have him look for? TIA-- j _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pat2355 at aol.com Wed Jun 10 08:00:31 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 10 08:03:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters In-Reply-To: <8CBB7E826C1D08A-1010-2A1A@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com> References: <60281.822.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CBB7E826C1D08A-1010-2A1A@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBB7F3558402DA-F08-146@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> I want to put animation into the pilasters of my Rock-ola? 1446 jukebox. Thought I might as well contact the guy that retrofits the originals . Does anyone have any information about contacting Fred Mlkar ? I'm going to have some time and money on my hands and I might as well buy my new girl some pretty baubles. With new dome glass, pilasters, reconed speaker, grill treatment, amp, pilaster animation, cabinet reworking, and misc. bulbs, screws, decals and glass I'll probably be over 1K, but she should shine ! Thanks Pat ? From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 10 11:34:31 2009 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (Mike Tyler) Date: Wed Jun 10 11:42:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters In-Reply-To: <8CBB7F3558402DA-F08-146@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> References: <60281.822.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CBB7E826C1D08A-1010-2A1A@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com> <8CBB7F3558402DA-F08-146@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <843218.39597.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> If you really want to make it pop, I would replace Fred's color tubes with a set from the newer Rockola Nostalgias. The color sheets Fred uses are okay but are a little boring. The new Rockola has a more interesting color group with purple,orange, pink,?blue, etc. It is a more of a rainbow affect and makes a "night and day" difference.?? ________________________________ From: "pat2355@aol.com" To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:00:31 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters I want to put animation into the pilasters of my Rock-ola? 1446 jukebox. Thought I might as well contact the guy that retrofits the originals . Does anyone have any information about contacting Fred Mlkar ? I'm going to have some time and money on my hands and I might as well buy my new girl some pretty baubles. With new dome glass, pilasters, reconed speaker, grill treatment, amp, pilaster animation, cabinet reworking, and misc. bulbs, screws, decals and glass I'll probably be over 1K, but she should shine ! Thanks Pat ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed Jun 10 12:11:05 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Jun 10 12:18:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters In-Reply-To: <843218.39597.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <60281.822.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><8CBB7E826C1D08A-1010-2A1A@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com><8CBB7F3558402DA-F08-146@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> <843218.39597.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Where can these Rockola Nostalgia colours sheets be bought? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mike Tyler Sent: 2009, June, 10 2:35 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters If you really want to make it pop, I would replace Fred's color tubes with a set from the newer Rockola Nostalgias. The color sheets Fred uses are okay but are a little boring. The new Rockola has a more interesting color group with purple,orange, pink,?blue, etc. It is a more of a rainbow affect and makes a "night and day" difference.?? ________________________________ From: "pat2355@aol.com" To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:00:31 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters I want to put animation into the pilasters of my Rock-ola? 1446 jukebox. Thought I might as well contact the guy that retrofits the originals . Does anyone have any information about contacting Fred Mlkar ? I'm going to have some time and money on my hands and I might as well buy my new girl some pretty baubles. With new dome glass, pilasters, reconed speaker, grill treatment, amp, pilaster animation, cabinet reworking, and misc. bulbs, screws, decals and glass I'll probably be over 1K, but she should shine ! Thanks Pat ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 10 12:21:47 2009 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (Mike Tyler) Date: Wed Jun 10 12:23:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters In-Reply-To: References: <60281.822.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><8CBB7E826C1D08A-1010-2A1A@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com><8CBB7F3558402DA-F08-146@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> <843218.39597.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <980868.43419.qm@web83713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> You have to order from Rockola or a Rockola dealer. They werent cheap last time I priced them. http://www.bmigaming.com/Images/nostalgicdigitalmusiccenter-version2.jpg ________________________________ From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:11:05 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters Where can these Rockola Nostalgia colours sheets be bought? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mike Tyler Sent: 2009, June, 10 2:35 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters If you really want to make it pop, I would replace Fred's color tubes with a set from the newer Rockola Nostalgias. The color sheets Fred uses are okay but are a little boring. The new Rockola has a more interesting color group with purple,orange, pink,?blue, etc. It is a more of a rainbow affect and makes a "night and day" difference.?? ________________________________ From: "pat2355@aol.com" To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:00:31 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters I want to put animation into the pilasters of my Rock-ola? 1446 jukebox. Thought I might as well contact the guy that retrofits the originals . Does anyone have any information about contacting Fred Mlkar ? I'm going to have some time and money on my hands and I might as well buy my new girl some pretty baubles. With new dome glass, pilasters, reconed speaker, grill treatment, amp, pilaster animation, cabinet reworking, and misc. bulbs, screws, decals and glass I'll probably be over 1K, but she should shine ! Thanks Pat ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Jun 10 13:02:08 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Wed Jun 10 13:03:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question In-Reply-To: <200906100900322.SM01888@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <727337206.2882821244664128205.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks Aaron. You should be able to click the link and it will open within your browser. I just tested with no problems. Let me know if you continue to have issues and I will just send you the image. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Heverin" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:00:05 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Rich, Your photo didn't come through. I tried saving it out directly and it's nothing more than a single pixel image. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Ssg Rich Myers 19k20@comcast.net Sent 5/7/2009 11:56:32 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Here is a closer photo of my decal. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/G200_decal.JPG As you can see, it is a little worn. Is there anyone producing decals? I have read somewhere about water transfer and ink jet printers. Is water transfer how we used to sticker up our model planes? Does anyone have experience with this process? How do you get copy on computer? I assume, digital photo and transfer to photoshop or some other photo editing software, mirror image and print out 100% size on water transfer stock? If there is an easier, better, more economical way.....please let me know. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Wed Jun 10 14:09:27 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 10 14:20:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question In-Reply-To: <727337206.2882821244664128205.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CBB826DFB45A1F-9D8-96C@webmail-db09.sysops.aol.com> I saw it okay, Rich. -----Original Message----- From: 19k20@comcast.net To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Thanks Aaron. You should be able to click the link and it will open within your browser. I just tested with no problems. Let me know if you continue to have issues and I will just send you the image. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Heverin" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:00:05 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Rich, Your photo didn't come through. I tried saving it out directly and it's nothing more than a single pixel image. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Ssg Rich Myers 19k20@comcast.net Sent 5/7/2009 11:56:32 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] another AMi G200 question Here is a closer photo of my decal. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/G200_decal.JPG As you can see, it is a little worn. Is there anyone producing decals? I have read somewhere about water transfer and ink jet printers. Is water transfer how we used to sticker up our model planes? Does anyone have experience with this process? How do you get copy on computer? I assume, digital photo and transfer to photoshop or some other photo editing software, mirror image and print out 100% size on water transfer stock? If there is an easier, better, more economical way.....please let me know. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jun 10 15:12:07 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jun 10 15:15:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The smoking Rockola amp... Message-ID: <20090610.181207.311.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> The other helpful hints given here are all good advice. They are minor wiring errors that could cause electronic components to burn. One other thing to check before you attempt to power the equipment up again----Open and check each fuse cap to make sure the right value fuses are installed and that the fuse values are not over rated. In the event that a power transformer is overheating (an expensive original part that will need to be found) having the right-size fuses in all circuits might save this from happening. There should be fuses located on both the power supply chassis and on the amp itself. In the mid 60's Rock ola's, the power supply chassis provides the DC voltages needed to run the amp as well as the record changer. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6v4xifiwSCx0XkvZMR32WR2JIyACqzGYuOM817tsiFLuQCMobW/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Wed Jun 10 15:26:02 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 10 15:34:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The smoking Rockola amp... In-Reply-To: <20090610.181207.311.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090610.181207.311.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CBB8319293C05A-1158-A18@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com> Thanks, Jim... the record changer seems to work fine. And I haven't found any "charred" spots inside the amp. I took the unit back to my friend; hopefully he'll find a 'D'Oh!" dumb mistake that can be easily corrected. -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 5:12 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] The smoking Rockola amp... The other helpful hints given here are all good advice. They are minor wiring errors that could cause electronic components to burn. One other thing to check before you attempt to power the equipment up again----Open and check each fuse cap to make sure the right value fuses are installed and that the fuse values are not over rated. In the event that a power transformer is overheating (an expensive original part that will need to be found) having the right-size fuses in all circuits might save this from happening. There should be fuses located on both the power supply chassis and on the amp itself. In the mid 60's Rock ola's, the power supply chassis provides the DC voltages needed to run the amp as well as the record changer. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6v4xifiwSCx0XkvZMR32WR2JIyACqzGYuOM817tsiFLuQCMobW/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Jun 10 15:49:36 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Wed Jun 10 15:52:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 Message-ID: <001b01c9ea1d$c9b519d0$5d1f4d70$@net> I am getting ready to start on a RO 480. I noticed it is missing a couple of parts. The front panel where the selector is located is pretty bad and the LED panel for credit selection could use help. Anybody have any leads on parts. Feel free to contact me. Thanks again. Rich From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jun 10 17:02:20 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jun 10 17:05:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters Message-ID: <20090610.200220.25856.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Pat: The most recent contact info I have for Fred Mlakar is: Fred Mlakar 309 Todd Ave. Hermitage PA 16148 PH 724 977 2875 Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRUlRo6Oyxmo8NpTvNlwfaKLue0hKNdb2iOAcy8v1BoLIVhZpRW/ From pat2355 at aol.com Wed Jun 10 17:26:36 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 10 17:28:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters In-Reply-To: <20090610.200220.25856.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090610.200220.25856.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CBB8426A27C79F-11D0-1DD5@webmail-md03.sysops.aol.com> Thanks James, ?I'll try to call him monday> Pat -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters Pat: The most recent contact info I have for Fred Mlakar is: Fred Mlakar 309 Todd Ave. Hermitage PA 16148 PH 724 977 2875 Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRUlRo6Oyxmo8NpTvNlwfaKLue0hKNdb2iOAcy8v1BoLIVhZpRW/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jun 10 18:44:01 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jun 10 18:47:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 Message-ID: <20090610.214401.11933.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Rich: Go to the Victory Glass website: www.victoryglass.com Open their RockOla original parts files. You will be able to scroll through approx. a 10 pg list of parts. VG bought all remaining vinyl jukebox parts inventory when the RockOla family sold the business to the current owner in the late 90's. RockOla has no parts on hand for vinyl jukes. The 480 is recent enough where some RockOla distributors may still have parts on hand. Parts for these are reasonably plentiful and low in cost. The readout displays themselves were the same on a lot of 80's RO models. Cosmetics/artwork/glass surrounding the readouts differed with each model. Not sure what you're looking for. To find an RO distributor in MO., go to Rockola's website: www.rock-ola.com You will need to get a hold of a service manual and I.D. the part numbers for the pieces you need to buy. Keep an eye on e Bay The amp that you need for this box frequently shows up for about $50-75. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bmU4CBfJeLG649Gr8i5TqhlTTa6YlLPtPNA3oKox6z3QdZFulK/ From bobe at halted.com Wed Jun 10 20:13:09 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Thu Jun 11 01:48:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 In-Reply-To: <20090610.214401.11933.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090610.214401.11933.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4A307645.90206@halted.com> James Alexander wrote: > > Rich: > Go to the Victory Glass website: www.victoryglass.com Open their RockOla original parts files. You will be able to scroll through approx. a 10 pg list of parts. VG bought all remaining vinyl jukebox parts inventory when the RockOla family sold the business to the current owner in the late 90's. According to this post in the jukebox newsgroup yesterday, the current owner of Rockola is now AMI! > From Playmeter Magazine's website today; > > AMI Entertainment Network acquires Rock-Ola Mfg. Corp.: > > AMI Entertainment Network Inc. announced today that it has acquired > the commercial jukebox assets of Rock-Ola Mfg. Corp. Since its > founding in 1927, Rock-Ola has produced some of the most innovative > and well-known coin-op entertainment products. The company began > manufacturing jukeboxes in 1935, and today Rock-Ola offers a line of > commercial digital jukeboxes addressing the full-range of operator > needs. > > "This acquisition is a natural evolution of the AMI-Rock-Ola > relationship," stated Mike Maas, President of AMI Entertainment > Network. "Rock-Ola commercial jukeboxes have been produced exclusively > for connection to the AMI network since last fall." Rock-Ola's > commercial jukebox models, Slimline, Wall-Rock, and Rock-Star, will > now be produced alongside Rowe jukeboxes. > > Under the agreement, Glenn Streeter retains ownership of Antique > Apparatus Company (AACO) and Qsonix Inc., who will use the Rock-Ola > name for their consumer products. AACO will continue to manufacture > and sell both digital and CD Nostalgia boxes, including the "Q" and > "Mystic," while also maintaining production of its "wallettes," > designed for '50s-style diner locations. > > "It's been a great honor to run this American icon for the past 17 > years," reflected Streeter. "And nothing is more American than a Rock- > Ola jukebox playing rock 'n' roll music delivered by AMI > Entertainment. I am confident that AMI will stay true to the history > of quality and innovation, adding to Rock-Ola's stature in the > industry." > > AACO will maintain service for the commercial products during the > transition. In early July, all service and support will shift to the > industry-renowned AMI technical support team in Grand Rapids, Mich. > AMI Entertainment Network will honor all valid warranties on Rock-Ola > products, including all Ecast-powered Rock-Ola jukeboxes. For more > information, visit (www.amientertainment.com). --Bob From dppe at inebraska.com Thu Jun 11 13:01:56 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Thu Jun 11 13:03:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Wurlitzer 2304 left and right decorative shelves Message-ID: Looking for the 2 shelves that go on either side of the revolving record rack. From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Jun 11 14:02:10 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Jun 11 14:03:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 In-Reply-To: <001b01c9ea1d$c9b519d0$5d1f4d70$@net> References: <001b01c9ea1d$c9b519d0$5d1f4d70$@net> Message-ID: <000b01c9ead7$e3a269f0$aae73dd0$@net> Think I might have been led to an amplifier for the Rock-ola. My service manual does not list any part numbers....that I can find.... Does anyone know if...and I am reading from the picture....Rock Ola Integrated Circuit Amplifier 52280-A will work in my RO 480? From the sketches in the Service manual...Everything looks correct. Any Rock-Ola'sperts have any details. Thanks...if this is it...then only the power supply to go....HELP! Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:50 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 I am getting ready to start on a RO 480. I noticed it is missing a couple of parts. The front panel where the selector is located is pretty bad and the LED panel for credit selection could use help. Anybody have any leads on parts. Feel free to contact me. Thanks again. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.59/2165 - Release Date: 06/10/09 05:52:00 From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Jun 11 14:49:40 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Jun 11 14:51:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 In-Reply-To: <000b01c9ead7$e3a269f0$aae73dd0$@net> References: <001b01c9ea1d$c9b519d0$5d1f4d70$@net> <000b01c9ead7$e3a269f0$aae73dd0$@net> Message-ID: <001d01c9eade$868237d0$9386a770$@net> As I look closer at the drawings, it looks like the power supply is tucked in behind the Regulator Board. Guess I am needing the Regulator Board...AND....Power Supply. Any leads? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:02 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 Think I might have been led to an amplifier for the Rock-ola. My service manual does not list any part numbers....that I can find.... Does anyone know if...and I am reading from the picture....Rock Ola Integrated Circuit Amplifier 52280-A will work in my RO 480? From the sketches in the Service manual...Everything looks correct. Any Rock-Ola'sperts have any details. Thanks...if this is it...then only the power supply to go....HELP! Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:50 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 I am getting ready to start on a RO 480. I noticed it is missing a couple of parts. The front panel where the selector is located is pretty bad and the LED panel for credit selection could use help. Anybody have any leads on parts. Feel free to contact me. Thanks again. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.59/2165 - Release Date: 06/10/09 05:52:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.61/2167 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 From edbap at aol.com Thu Jun 11 14:51:50 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 11 14:53:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] deal of the day? Message-ID: <8CBB8F5F5F6886D-145C-2368@webmail-dh45.sysops.aol.com> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/clt/1216541209.html From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Jun 11 16:08:14 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Jun 11 16:09:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 References: <20090610.214401.11933.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> <4A307645.90206@halted.com> Message-ID: <001b01c9eae9$7fabe0e0$23954c09@ZURNT60> Yup! Rock-Ola distributors and dealers got the press release today, effective June 9th. Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Company a Rock-Ola Dealer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob E." To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 > James Alexander wrote: >> Rich: >> Go to the Victory Glass website: www.victoryglass.com Open their >> RockOla original parts files. You will be able to scroll through >> approx. a 10 pg list of parts. VG bought all remaining vinyl jukebox >> parts inventory when the RockOla family sold the business to the current >> owner in the late 90's. > > According to this post in the jukebox newsgroup yesterday, the current > owner of Rockola is now AMI! > >> From Playmeter Magazine's website today; >> >> AMI Entertainment Network acquires Rock-Ola Mfg. Corp.: >> >> AMI Entertainment Network Inc. announced today that it has acquired >> the commercial jukebox assets of Rock-Ola Mfg. Corp. Since its >> founding in 1927, Rock-Ola has produced some of the most innovative >> and well-known coin-op entertainment products. The company began >> manufacturing jukeboxes in 1935, and today Rock-Ola offers a line of >> commercial digital jukeboxes addressing the full-range of operator >> needs. >> >> "This acquisition is a natural evolution of the AMI-Rock-Ola >> relationship," stated Mike Maas, President of AMI Entertainment >> Network. "Rock-Ola commercial jukeboxes have been produced exclusively >> for connection to the AMI network since last fall." Rock-Ola's >> commercial jukebox models, Slimline, Wall-Rock, and Rock-Star, will >> now be produced alongside Rowe jukeboxes. >> >> Under the agreement, Glenn Streeter retains ownership of Antique >> Apparatus Company (AACO) and Qsonix Inc., who will use the Rock-Ola >> name for their consumer products. AACO will continue to manufacture >> and sell both digital and CD Nostalgia boxes, including the "Q" and >> "Mystic," while also maintaining production of its "wallettes," >> designed for '50s-style diner locations. >> >> "It's been a great honor to run this American icon for the past 17 >> years," reflected Streeter. "And nothing is more American than a Rock- >> Ola jukebox playing rock 'n' roll music delivered by AMI >> Entertainment. I am confident that AMI will stay true to the history >> of quality and innovation, adding to Rock-Ola's stature in the >> industry." >> >> AACO will maintain service for the commercial products during the >> transition. In early July, all service and support will shift to the >> industry-renowned AMI technical support team in Grand Rapids, Mich. >> AMI Entertainment Network will honor all valid warranties on Rock-Ola >> products, including all Ecast-powered Rock-Ola jukeboxes. For more >> information, visit (www.amientertainment.com). > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Thu Jun 11 16:50:13 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Robert Aker) Date: Thu Jun 11 16:51:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 References: <20090610.214401.11933.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com><4A307645.90206@halted.com> <001b01c9eae9$7fabe0e0$23954c09@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <000701c9eaef$5dbcafe0$0201a8c0@desktop> "And nothing is more American than a Rock- Ola jukebox playing rock 'n' roll music delivered by AMI - Entertainment. Ya right - especially they will now be made alongside Rowes in Mexico!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Zurn" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 > Yup! > Rock-Ola distributors and dealers got the press release today, effective > June 9th. > > Jeff Zurn > Arizona Jukebox Company > a Rock-Ola Dealer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob E." > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 > > >> James Alexander wrote: >>> Rich: >>> Go to the Victory Glass website: www.victoryglass.com Open their >>> RockOla original parts files. You will be able to scroll through >>> approx. a 10 pg list of parts. VG bought all remaining vinyl jukebox >>> parts inventory when the RockOla family sold the business to the current >>> owner in the late 90's. >> >> According to this post in the jukebox newsgroup yesterday, the current >> owner of Rockola is now AMI! >> >>> From Playmeter Magazine's website today; >>> >>> AMI Entertainment Network acquires Rock-Ola Mfg. Corp.: >>> >>> AMI Entertainment Network Inc. announced today that it has acquired >>> the commercial jukebox assets of Rock-Ola Mfg. Corp. Since its >>> founding in 1927, Rock-Ola has produced some of the most innovative >>> and well-known coin-op entertainment products. The company began >>> manufacturing jukeboxes in 1935, and today Rock-Ola offers a line of >>> commercial digital jukeboxes addressing the full-range of operator >>> needs. >>> >>> "This acquisition is a natural evolution of the AMI-Rock-Ola >>> relationship," stated Mike Maas, President of AMI Entertainment >>> Network. "Rock-Ola commercial jukeboxes have been produced exclusively >>> for connection to the AMI network since last fall." Rock-Ola's >>> commercial jukebox models, Slimline, Wall-Rock, and Rock-Star, will >>> now be produced alongside Rowe jukeboxes. >>> >>> Under the agreement, Glenn Streeter retains ownership of Antique >>> Apparatus Company (AACO) and Qsonix Inc., who will use the Rock-Ola >>> name for their consumer products. AACO will continue to manufacture >>> and sell both digital and CD Nostalgia boxes, including the "Q" and >>> "Mystic," while also maintaining production of its "wallettes," >>> designed for '50s-style diner locations. >>> >>> "It's been a great honor to run this American icon for the past 17 >>> years," reflected Streeter. "And nothing is more American than a Rock- >>> Ola jukebox playing rock 'n' roll music delivered by AMI >>> Entertainment. I am confident that AMI will stay true to the history >>> of quality and innovation, adding to Rock-Ola's stature in the >>> industry." >>> >>> AACO will maintain service for the commercial products during the >>> transition. In early July, all service and support will shift to the >>> industry-renowned AMI technical support team in Grand Rapids, Mich. >>> AMI Entertainment Network will honor all valid warranties on Rock-Ola >>> products, including all Ecast-powered Rock-Ola jukeboxes. For more >>> information, visit (www.amientertainment.com). >> --Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 11 17:26:33 2009 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (mike) Date: Thu Jun 11 17:28:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters References: <60281.822.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><8CBB7E826C1D08A-1010-2A1A@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com><8CBB7F3558402DA-F08-146@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com><843218.39597.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <980868.43419.qm@web83713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here is a comparison. Granted, the lighting is different but I think they illustrate the difference in the pallette of colors they display. The first one here looks identical to Freds cylinders. BTW, I am not knocking this box. I love the color they did the mechanism in. They also did a pair of Seeburg teardrop wall speakers to match. Just beautiful. http://kiddieridemall.com/images/bandbs91.jpg And here are two shots of one of my boxes with Freds cylinders retrofitted with Rockolas http://www.miketyler.net/juke/seeburgg.jpg http://www.miketyler.net/juke/seeburgGa.jpg I think they were $18/sheet when I purchased them last which at the time I thought was a bit pricey. I may even have another set laying around here somewhere. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Tyler" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters You have to order from Rockola or a Rockola dealer. They werent cheap last time I priced them. http://www.bmigaming.com/Images/nostalgicdigitalmusiccenter-version2.jpg ________________________________ From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:11:05 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters Where can these Rockola Nostalgia colours sheets be bought? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mike Tyler Sent: 2009, June, 10 2:35 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters If you really want to make it pop, I would replace Fred's color tubes with a set from the newer Rockola Nostalgias. The color sheets Fred uses are okay but are a little boring. The new Rockola has a more interesting color group with purple,orange, pink, blue, etc. It is a more of a rainbow affect and makes a "night and day" difference. ________________________________ From: "pat2355@aol.com" To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:00:31 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fred Mlkar ? Animation for 1446 Rock-ola Pilasters I want to put animation into the pilasters of my Rock-ola? 1446 jukebox. Thought I might as well contact the guy that retrofits the originals . Does anyone have any information about contacting Fred Mlkar ? I'm going to have some time and money on my hands and I might as well buy my new girl some pretty baubles. With new dome glass, pilasters, reconed speaker, grill treatment, amp, pilaster animation, cabinet reworking, and misc. bulbs, screws, decals and glass I'll probably be over 1K, but she should shine ! 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Ron Rich --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Robert Aker wrote: From: Robert Aker Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 4:50 PM "And nothing is more American than a Rock- Ola jukebox playing rock 'n' roll music delivered by AMI -? Entertainment. Ya right - especially they will now be made alongside Rowes in Mexico!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Zurn" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 > Yup! > Rock-Ola distributors and dealers got the press release today, effective June 9th. > > Jeff Zurn > Arizona Jukebox Company > a Rock-Ola Dealer > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob E." > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 > > >> James Alexander wrote: >>>? Rich: >>> Go to the Victory Glass website:? www.victoryglass.com? ? Open their RockOla original parts files.? ? You will be able to scroll through approx. a 10 pg list of parts.???VG bought all remaining vinyl jukebox parts inventory when the RockOla family sold the business to the current owner in the late 90's. >> >> According to this post in the jukebox newsgroup yesterday, the current owner of Rockola is now AMI! >> >>> From Playmeter Magazine's website today; >>> >>> AMI Entertainment Network acquires Rock-Ola Mfg. Corp.: >>> >>> AMI Entertainment Network Inc. announced today that it has acquired >>> the commercial jukebox assets of Rock-Ola Mfg. Corp. Since its >>> founding in 1927, Rock-Ola has produced some of the most innovative >>> and well-known coin-op entertainment products. The company began >>> manufacturing jukeboxes in 1935, and today Rock-Ola offers a line of >>> commercial digital jukeboxes addressing the full-range of operator >>> needs. >>> >>> "This acquisition is a natural evolution of the AMI-Rock-Ola >>> relationship," stated Mike Maas, President of AMI Entertainment >>> Network. "Rock-Ola commercial jukeboxes have been produced exclusively >>> for connection to the AMI network since last fall." Rock-Ola's >>> commercial jukebox models, Slimline, Wall-Rock, and Rock-Star, will >>> now be produced alongside Rowe jukeboxes. >>> >>> Under the agreement, Glenn Streeter retains ownership of Antique >>> Apparatus Company (AACO) and Qsonix Inc., who will use the Rock-Ola >>> name for their consumer products. AACO will continue to manufacture >>> and sell both digital and CD Nostalgia boxes, including the "Q" and >>> "Mystic," while also maintaining production of its "wallettes," >>> designed for '50s-style diner locations. >>> >>> "It's been a great honor to run this American icon for the past 17 >>> years," reflected Streeter. "And nothing is more American than a Rock- >>> Ola jukebox playing rock 'n' roll music delivered by AMI >>> Entertainment. I am confident that AMI will stay true to the history >>> of quality and innovation, adding to Rock-Ola's stature in the >>> industry." >>> >>> AACO will maintain service for the commercial products during the >>> transition. In early July, all service and support will shift to the >>> industry-renowned AMI technical support team in Grand Rapids, Mich. >>> AMI Entertainment Network will honor all valid warranties on Rock-Ola >>> products, including all Ecast-powered Rock-Ola jukeboxes. For more >>> information, visit (www.amientertainment.com). >> --Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Jun 11 19:08:42 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Jun 11 19:10:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 In-Reply-To: <001d01c9eade$868237d0$9386a770$@net> References: <001b01c9ea1d$c9b519d0$5d1f4d70$@net> <000b01c9ead7$e3a269f0$aae73dd0$@net> <001d01c9eade$868237d0$9386a770$@net> Message-ID: <002401c9eb02$b66da230$2348e690$@net> Okay.....sorry for the confusion. In my 480 Service Manual, page 18, shows a pic of the Regulator Board. On page 23, they show the same picture and call it a power supply....The two pictures are exactly the same, EXCEPT right in the middle of the one on page 18, it says Regulator Board. The one on page 23 is exactly the same....only missing the Regulator Board print. I would post pics....but am rebuilding the PC with the scanner attached. Will get to it when the PC is back up and running. I am guessing now they are exactly the same thing. So now only need to locate the Power Supply. Thanks again...sorry to bore you. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:50 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 As I look closer at the drawings, it looks like the power supply is tucked in behind the Regulator Board. Guess I am needing the Regulator Board...AND....Power Supply. Any leads? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:02 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 Think I might have been led to an amplifier for the Rock-ola. My service manual does not list any part numbers....that I can find.... Does anyone know if...and I am reading from the picture....Rock Ola Integrated Circuit Amplifier 52280-A will work in my RO 480? From the sketches in the Service manual...Everything looks correct. Any Rock-Ola'sperts have any details. Thanks...if this is it...then only the power supply to go....HELP! Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:50 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 480 I am getting ready to start on a RO 480. I noticed it is missing a couple of parts. The front panel where the selector is located is pretty bad and the LED panel for credit selection could use help. Anybody have any leads on parts. Feel free to contact me. Thanks again. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.59/2165 - Release Date: 06/10/09 05:52:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.61/2167 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.61/2167 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 21:40:14 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Jun 11 21:41:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] deal of the day? Message-ID: <124627.98641.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 6/11/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/clt/1216541209.html Well, I live on the South Sound. I could go down to Olympia this weekend and see if this is a real Welizer. My inclination, however, is to assume that either this guy is dyslexic, or this is a scam. And, once again, who gives a damn if the owner's garage sale Patti Page records are included?!? From edbap at aol.com Thu Jun 11 23:00:51 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 11 23:08:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] deal of the day? In-Reply-To: <124627.98641.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <124627.98641.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBB93A461B2E4C-F40-20E6@WEBMAIL-DG12.sim.aol.com> The pics are for sure a real 1015 with coin gear, not sure what it needs.? Is the floor painted red, or is that just poor .? photo?? If I was in the market, I would check it out for sure.... -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] deal of the day? --- On Thu, 6/11/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/clt/1216541209.html Well, I live on the South Sound. I could go down to Olympia this weekend and see if this is a real Welizer. My inclination, however, is to assume that either this guy is dyslexic, or this is a scam. And, once again, who gives a damn if the owner's garage sale Patti Page records are included?!? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jun 12 08:36:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jun 12 08:38:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] deal of the day? Message-ID: <954464.13088.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey--wadda yous guys want !!? This poor sucker has a "Welitzer"--MUST be a knockoff, or else a scam !! --and how do you no he has "Patty Page" records??? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 6/11/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] deal of the day? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:00 PM The pics are for sure a real 1015 with coin gear, not sure what it needs.? Is the floor painted red, or is that just poor .? photo?? If I was in the market, I would check it out for sure.... -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] deal of the day? --- On Thu, 6/11/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/clt/1216541209.html Well, I live on the South Sound.? I could go down to Olympia this weekend and see if this is a real Welizer. My inclination, however, is to assume that either this guy is dyslexic, or this is a scam.? And, once again, who gives a damn if the owner's garage sale Patti Page records are included?!? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinballrepair at paradise.net.nz Fri Jun 12 15:14:33 2009 From: pinballrepair at paradise.net.nz (Iain Jamieson) Date: Fri Jun 12 15:28:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer OMT CD dropping discs Message-ID: <4A32D349.4070609@paradise.net.nz> Hi, Does anyone know of how to slow down the gripper arm cycle on a Wurlitzer OMT CD? It's running at about 9 - 10 seconds with a recommended speed of 11 - 12 seconds for complete transfer. This machine very occasionally drops discs. It's a party hire machine and the owner has only witnessed it once and said it was when the disc was removed from the carrier basket about mid flight. But every now and then when collecting the machine from a hire it has a dropped disc. Thanks Iain From donshawnmyself at aol.com Fri Jun 12 17:12:22 2009 From: donshawnmyself at aol.com (donshawnmyself@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 12 17:20:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer omt play counter question Message-ID: <8CBB9D2C1DA49B7-16E0-19C3@FWM-M32.sysops.aol.com> Can anyone tell me how find the amount of coin credits on a Wurlitzer 1015 OMT cd? This one was made in 1996 and doesn't have a coin counter behind the digital display like the others i have owned. The person i bought this from said she bought it brand new and it was "home use only". By the prestine condition it is in?i believe her, but i still want to know. Thanks Don From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri Jun 12 19:23:27 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Fri Jun 12 19:25:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New Vinyl Message-ID: <004101c9ebcd$f033f610$d09be230$@net> I was in the local Best Buy today and was surprised that they are selling vinyl. A sales associate said that store was the only one in the district that was doing it. I looked through the titles, and there was a sampling of eras. From Abby Road to Pet Sounds to Pyromania and Dr. Feelgood. From looking at the manufacture date on the bottom, you really couldn't tell that the Abby Road LP was new. It had the original release information printed. 1969..I think. Def Leppard's Pyromania had a sticker on the front talking about original packaging. In fact, from the ones I recognized, they all looked like NOS. One interesting fact, most of the titles had a label on them stating they were audiophile quality using 180 gram vinyl. ..which would not make them NOS. One last note.most were $19.99. The Led Zepplin album, Mothership.LP.$19.99, CD.on sale for $9.99 My friends..we have now come full circle. If anyone is interested in a particular title..shoot me a note and I will check on it the next time I am in the store. Rich From edbap at aol.com Fri Jun 12 19:35:28 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 12 19:43:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New Vinyl In-Reply-To: <004101c9ebcd$f033f610$d09be230$@net> References: <004101c9ebcd$f033f610$d09be230$@net> Message-ID: <8CBB9E6BF7DD2EA-145C-5B4D@webmail-dh45.sysops.aol.com> they are also available in the local Fred Meyer stores in WA.? Have been in there for quite a while.... -----Original Message----- From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 7:23 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] New Vinyl I was in the local Best Buy today and was surprised that they are selling vinyl. A sales associate said that store was the only one in the district that was doing it. I looked through the titles, and there was a sampling of eras. From Abby Road to Pet Sounds to Pyromania and Dr. Feelgood. From looking at the manufacture date on the bottom, you really couldn't tell that the Abby Road LP was new. It had the original release information printed. 1969..I think. Def Leppard's Pyromania had a sticker on the front talking about original packaging. In fact, from the ones I recognized, they all looked like NOS. One interesting fact, most of the titles had a label on them stating they were audiophile quality using 180 gram vinyl. ..which would not make them NOS. One last note.most were $19.99. The Led Zepplin album, Mothership.LP.$19.99, CD.on sale for $9.99 My friends..we have now come full circle. If anyone is interested in a particular title..shoot me a note and I will check on it the next time I am in the store. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Fri Jun 12 19:55:49 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Fri Jun 12 19:57:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New Vinyl Message-ID: <62047404-1244861753-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-550869777-@bxe1060.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Anybody seen 45s in major stores recently? ------Original Message------ From: edbap@aol.com Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New Vinyl Sent: Jun 12, 2009 9:35 PM they are also available in the local Fred Meyer stores in WA.? Have been in there for quite a while.... -----Original Message----- From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 7:23 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] New Vinyl I was in the local Best Buy today and was surprised that they are selling vinyl. A sales associate said that store was the only one in the district that was doing it. I looked through the titles, and there was a sampling of eras. From Abby Road to Pet Sounds to Pyromania and Dr. Feelgood. From looking at the manufacture date on the bottom, you really couldn't tell that the Abby Road LP was new. It had the original release information printed. 1969..I think. Def Leppard's Pyromania had a sticker on the front talking about original packaging. In fact, from the ones I recognized, they all looked like NOS. One interesting fact, most of the titles had a label on them stating they were audiophile quality using 180 gram vinyl. ..which would not make them NOS. One last note.most were $19.99. The Led Zepplin album, Mothership.LP.$19.99, CD.on sale for $9.99 My friends..we have now come full circle. If anyone is interested in a particular title..shoot me a note and I will check on it the next time I am in the store. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Sat Jun 13 10:29:10 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Sat Jun 13 10:31:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer omt play counter question References: <8CBB9D2C1DA49B7-16E0-19C3@FWM-M32.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003301c9ec4c$76661140$0501a8c0@ZURNT60> Are you looking for the reports? 'Cash Box Contents, level 1 button 2 1. Press selection button 2 once. Digital display shows the cash box contents in basic units; basic units being the value of the lowest coin 2. To cancel the procedure press selection button R 'Total number of plays. level 1 button 3 1. Press selection button 3 once. Display shows the total number of plays since last reset (maximum 9999) 2. To cancel the procedure press selection button R If you want to see how many credits are currently on the juke, press the 'Free Credit' button, it will display the number of credits on the digital display + the one you just added *wink*. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer omt play counter question > Can anyone tell me how find the amount of coin credits on a Wurlitzer 1015 > OMT cd? This one was made in 1996 and doesn't have a coin counter behind > the digital display like the others i have owned. The person i bought this > from said she bought it brand new and it was "home use only". By the > prestine condition it is in?i believe her, but i still want to know. > > Thanks > Don > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 13 15:10:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 13 15:12:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item Message-ID: <6806.40557.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Some of you might find this "Verry interesting"--EBay # 150 350 799 316 Ron Rich From webmaster at guestwho.com Sat Jun 13 15:47:38 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sat Jun 13 15:49:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item In-Reply-To: <6806.40557.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <6806.40557.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45E0AB7A042841CD996BBD3067C5A610@CHRISLAPTOP> Very cool indeed! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item > Some of you might find this "Verry interesting"--EBay # 150 350 799 316 > Ron Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeffzurn at cox.net Sat Jun 13 17:57:05 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Sat Jun 13 17:58:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item In-Reply-To: <45E0AB7A042841CD996BBD3067C5A610@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <6806.40557.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <45E0AB7A042841CD996BBD3067C5A610@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <18860D76D8D6465EBE72E750B12FEBEB@JeffsR61i> I think Ron said 'Interesting'... I say "UGH" Jeff Zurn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Ralph" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: 06/13/2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item > Very cool indeed! > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 6:10 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item > > >> Some of you might find this "Verry interesting"--EBay # 150 350 799 316 >> Ron Rich >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From goldenflash60 at aol.com Sat Jun 13 21:12:22 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 13 21:20:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trying to find a nsm ES3 or ES4 carriage (player unit) Message-ID: <8CBBABD733C20F5-D48-1694@WEBMAIL-DY06.sysops.aol.com> i am trying to locate a carriage for a nsm satellite 200.? the correct one is a 170333 for the ES3 or ES4 technology.? basically anything satellite 200 or newer.?? if anyone knows where i could find one or anyone that has one to sell please contact me, thanks, Tom From webmaster at guestwho.com Sat Jun 13 21:55:11 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sat Jun 13 21:56:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Message-ID: <092361A0CBF64FC3B08AB66F1BDF48B9@CHRISLAPTOP> Hi all, I've been recapping my 2600 (543 AMP), and it seems replacing one of the 100uf 250v electro's has done more harm than good. I was having issues with the sound fading out after a few minutes, so I replaced a number of big caps mounted inside the amp chassis, and also few of the "can" caps with electrolytics - it seemed okay in the short test runs I did. I decided to continue on this path, this time replacing a single 100uf can capacitor, but now the problem is back - from a cold start the record plays about 30 seconds and then just fades out to nothing (no music, no crackle, hum, nothing - but it's a gradual fade out, not a sudden loss of sound). I also get a low hum when the record is not playing (doesn't happen during play). Why would replacing the capacitor cause more problems instead of making it better ? Also, when it does play, the sound is distored, like if you turn a cheap hi-fi up too loud. Do any of these problems sound familliar ? Chris From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sat Jun 13 23:40:52 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sat Jun 13 23:42:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: "Chris Ralph" 's message of Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:55:11 -0400 Message-ID: <15479-4A349B74-2470@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Chris, replacing a capacitor shouldt make it worse unless your installing a bad capacitor. Are the caps brand new? Have you explored the possibility that you may have a bad tube? Or cartridge ? The electrolytic capacitors usually do need replaced on an amp that old, but did you try tubes , cartridge? Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 14 08:43:13 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jun 14 08:44:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Message-ID: <107996.48615.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Chris, and All, IMHO, just installing a "Cap Kit" is NOT a repair, nor a rebuild, job on any electronic equipment. While it's true that about 75% of electronic failures are "caps", other things can (and do) fail. If you are installing caps "one at a time", you may have not yet installed the one that's causing your problem ! Further, you could have a mechanical failure in the mechanism, causing this problem. If you have the skills and tools, you will need to "troubleshoot" that amp., and jukebox.? If not, I would advise you to find a "pro", and have it done write--er, rite-- no--RIGHT !!? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Chris Ralph wrote: From: Chris Ralph Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 9:55 PM Hi all, I've been recapping my 2600 (543 AMP), and it seems replacing one of the 100uf 250v electro's has done more harm than good. I was having issues with the sound fading out after a few minutes, so I replaced a number of big caps mounted inside the amp chassis, and also few of the "can" caps with electrolytics - it seemed okay in the short test runs I did. I decided to continue on this path, this time replacing a single 100uf can capacitor, but now the problem is back - from a cold start the record plays about 30 seconds and then just fades out to nothing (no music, no crackle, hum, nothing - but it's a gradual fade out, not a sudden loss of sound). I also get a low hum when the record is not playing (doesn't happen during play). Why would replacing the capacitor cause more problems instead of making it better ? Also, when it does play, the sound is distored, like if you turn a cheap hi-fi up too loud. Do any of these problems sound familliar ? Chris _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Jun 14 09:00:42 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Jun 14 09:02:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <107996.48615.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <107996.48615.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c9ed09$455ef770$d01ce650$@force9.co.uk> I had a Rowe Ami several years ago with the same problem. Drove me nuts. In the end it turned out to be the wattage switch on the amp. I just hard wired it out of circuit, after several unsuccessful attempts at cleaning the contacts. I'm not saying this is your problem, but sometimes the obvious is staring you right under the nose. 20+ years later and the problem has never returned. Wurlitzer amps have a similar switch. Or - as Ron says, could be a mech issue. The mute is sorted on the mech not the amp on these. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 14 June 2009 16:43 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Chris, and All, IMHO, just installing a "Cap Kit" is NOT a repair, nor a rebuild, job on any electronic equipment. While it's true that about 75% of electronic failures are "caps", other things can (and do) fail. If you are installing caps "one at a time", you may have not yet installed the one that's causing your problem ! Further, you could have a mechanical failure in the mechanism, causing this problem. If you have the skills and tools, you will need to "troubleshoot" that amp., and jukebox.? If not, I would advise you to find a "pro", and have it done write--er, rite-- no--RIGHT !!? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Chris Ralph wrote: From: Chris Ralph Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 9:55 PM Hi all, I've been recapping my 2600 (543 AMP), and it seems replacing one of the 100uf 250v electro's has done more harm than good. I was having issues with the sound fading out after a few minutes, so I replaced a number of big caps mounted inside the amp chassis, and also few of the "can" caps with electrolytics - it seemed okay in the short test runs I did. I decided to continue on this path, this time replacing a single 100uf can capacitor, but now the problem is back - from a cold start the record plays about 30 seconds and then just fades out to nothing (no music, no crackle, hum, nothing - but it's a gradual fade out, not a sudden loss of sound). I also get a low hum when the record is not playing (doesn't happen during play). Why would replacing the capacitor cause more problems instead of making it better ? Also, when it does play, the sound is distored, like if you turn a cheap hi-fi up too loud. Do any of these problems sound familliar ? Chris _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Jun 14 10:08:04 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Jun 14 10:09:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item Message-ID: <693283.81188.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The perfect companion piece for RCA's Lucite television: http://www.mztv.com/worldfairtvs/phantom.html From webmaster at guestwho.com Sun Jun 14 10:58:03 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sun Jun 14 10:59:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <001501c9ed09$455ef770$d01ce650$@force9.co.uk> References: <107996.48615.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001501c9ed09$455ef770$d01ce650$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: What exactly does the mute switch do ? Am I right in thinking this just shorts the phono inputs to ground when nothing is playing ? This wouldn't be related to the fade out issue though, just the hum ? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out I had a Rowe Ami several years ago with the same problem. Drove me nuts. In the end it turned out to be the wattage switch on the amp. I just hard wired it out of circuit, after several unsuccessful attempts at cleaning the contacts. I'm not saying this is your problem, but sometimes the obvious is staring you right under the nose. 20+ years later and the problem has never returned. Wurlitzer amps have a similar switch. Or - as Ron says, could be a mech issue. The mute is sorted on the mech not the amp on these. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 14 June 2009 16:43 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Chris, and All, IMHO, just installing a "Cap Kit" is NOT a repair, nor a rebuild, job on any electronic equipment. While it's true that about 75% of electronic failures are "caps", other things can (and do) fail. If you are installing caps "one at a time", you may have not yet installed the one that's causing your problem ! Further, you could have a mechanical failure in the mechanism, causing this problem. If you have the skills and tools, you will need to "troubleshoot" that amp., and jukebox. If not, I would advise you to find a "pro", and have it done write--er, rite-- no--RIGHT !! Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Chris Ralph wrote: From: Chris Ralph Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 9:55 PM Hi all, I've been recapping my 2600 (543 AMP), and it seems replacing one of the 100uf 250v electro's has done more harm than good. I was having issues with the sound fading out after a few minutes, so I replaced a number of big caps mounted inside the amp chassis, and also few of the "can" caps with electrolytics - it seemed okay in the short test runs I did. I decided to continue on this path, this time replacing a single 100uf can capacitor, but now the problem is back - from a cold start the record plays about 30 seconds and then just fades out to nothing (no music, no crackle, hum, nothing - but it's a gradual fade out, not a sudden loss of sound). I also get a low hum when the record is not playing (doesn't happen during play). Why would replacing the capacitor cause more problems instead of making it better ? Also, when it does play, the sound is distored, like if you turn a cheap hi-fi up too loud. Do any of these problems sound familliar ? Chris _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 14 12:15:54 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jun 14 12:17:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item Message-ID: <1989.11304.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> May be what "planted the seed" for Seeburg's clear HSC cabinet ( see the late Tony Millers site-- http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera? ) ?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/14/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 10:08 AM The perfect companion piece for RCA's Lucite television: http://www.mztv.com/worldfairtvs/phantom.html ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 14 12:22:48 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jun 14 12:24:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Message-ID: <98468.13852.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Could well be related--or not--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Chris Ralph wrote: From: Chris Ralph Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 10:58 AM What exactly does the mute switch do ? Am I right in thinking this just shorts the phono inputs to ground when nothing is playing ? This wouldn't be related to the fade out issue though, just the hum ? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out I had a Rowe Ami several years ago with the same problem. Drove me nuts. In the end it turned out to be the wattage switch on the amp. I just hard wired it out of circuit, after several unsuccessful attempts at cleaning the contacts. I'm not saying this is your problem, but sometimes the obvious is staring you right under the nose. 20+ years later and the problem has never returned. Wurlitzer amps have a similar switch. Or - as Ron says, could be a mech issue. The mute is sorted on the mech not the amp on these. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 14 June 2009 16:43 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Chris, and All, IMHO, just installing a "Cap Kit" is NOT a repair, nor a rebuild, job on any electronic equipment. While it's true that about 75% of electronic failures are "caps", other things can (and do) fail. If you are installing caps "one at a time", you may have not yet installed the one that's causing your problem ! Further, you could have a mechanical failure in the mechanism, causing this problem. If you have the skills and tools, you will need to "troubleshoot" that amp., and jukebox. If not, I would advise you to find a "pro", and have it done write--er, rite-- no--RIGHT !! Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Chris Ralph wrote: From: Chris Ralph Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 9:55 PM Hi all, I've been recapping my 2600 (543 AMP), and it seems replacing one of the 100uf 250v electro's has done more harm than good. I was having issues with the sound fading out after a few minutes, so I replaced a number of big caps mounted inside the amp chassis, and also few of the "can" caps with electrolytics - it seemed okay in the short test runs I did. I decided to continue on this path, this time replacing a single 100uf can capacitor, but now the problem is back - from a cold start the record plays about 30 seconds and then just fades out to nothing (no music, no crackle, hum, nothing - but it's a gradual fade out, not a sudden loss of sound). I also get a low hum when the record is not playing (doesn't happen during play). Why would replacing the capacitor cause more problems instead of making it better ? Also, when it does play, the sound is distored, like if you turn a cheap hi-fi up too loud. Do any of these problems sound familliar ? Chris _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sun Jun 14 12:22:53 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sun Jun 14 12:40:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out References: <092361A0CBF64FC3B08AB66F1BDF48B9@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <57F3935D27474B03A148B28238320F34@JUKEBUS> Chris, I don't think the new cap has done any harm, but as Ron and others have mentioned there are other things that can go wrong with the amp. To eliminate the mute switch in the mech, just disconnect it (you will now get "noise" during record changing). It that makes no difference my guess (and it's only a guess) would be a bad resistor somewhere. During a proper rebuild of an amp all the resistors are measured and any out of tolerance, or any that have obviously been overheating, are replaced. This in addition to replacing all the caps, both electrolytic and non electrolytic, (apart from any ceramic types) and testing all the tubes. The unit should them be powered up on the bench and all the voltages shown on the schematic checked. Any voltages not within 10% or so of the stated value require investigation. Finally an input signal is connected and the sound is checked "by ear". When I do this I play the workshop radio through the amp for at least an hour, this shows up any thermally dependant faults. Hope this helps, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Ralph" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:55 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Hi all, I've been recapping my 2600 (543 AMP), and it seems replacing one of the 100uf 250v electro's has done more harm than good. I was having issues with the sound fading out after a few minutes, so I replaced a number of big caps mounted inside the amp chassis, and also few of the "can" caps with electrolytics - it seemed okay in the short test runs I did. I decided to continue on this path, this time replacing a single 100uf can capacitor, but now the problem is back - from a cold start the record plays about 30 seconds and then just fades out to nothing (no music, no crackle, hum, nothing - but it's a gradual fade out, not a sudden loss of sound). I also get a low hum when the record is not playing (doesn't happen during play). Why would replacing the capacitor cause more problems instead of making it better ? Also, when it does play, the sound is distored, like if you turn a cheap hi-fi up too loud. Do any of these problems sound familliar ? Chris _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.68/2175 - Release Date: 06/14/09 05:53:00 From jay at west.net Sun Jun 14 13:31:56 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jun 14 13:33:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <092361A0CBF64FC3B08AB66F1BDF48B9@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <092361A0CBF64FC3B08AB66F1BDF48B9@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4A355E3C.2000604@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been recapping my 2600 (543 AMP), and it seems replacing one of the > 100uf 250v electro's has done more harm than good. > > I was having issues with the sound fading out after a few minutes, so I > replaced a number of big caps mounted inside the amp chassis, and also few > of the "can" caps with electrolytics - it seemed okay in the short test > runs > I did. I decided to continue on this path, this time replacing a single > 100uf can capacitor, but now the problem is back - from a cold start the > record plays about 30 seconds and then just fades out to nothing (no music, > no crackle, hum, nothing - but it's a gradual fade out, not a sudden > loss of > sound). I also get a low hum when the record is not playing (doesn't happen > during play). Why would replacing the capacitor cause more problems instead > of making it better ? > > Also, when it does play, the sound is distored, like if you turn a cheap > hi-fi up too loud. > > Do any of these problems sound familliar ? There are two 100 microfarad 250V capacitors in the circuit. These, in conjunction with a pair of silicon rectifiers, form a voltage doubler that supplies the high voltage for the tube circuits. I would replace both of them at the same time. Note that the (-) connection of one of these capacitors is NOT connected to chassis ground. The original is mounted on an insulating baseplate and has a cardboard cover. In fact it would be a good idea to replace all of the electrolytic and paper capacitors as well as measure and replace as needed the high-value and power resistors. I would look carefully for a wiring error in the installation of the new capacitor. The installation of new tie-points is often needed. What I do on this style amp is to use the tie points for the old paralleled .5 microfarad caps in the 28VDC circuit for the new voltage doubler caps. New .5 caps are much smaller and a single 1 microfarad cap can replace these easily without needing tie points. This requires moving a number of parts around but results in a nice clean rebuild. Here's the way I do it, this is a 545 amplifier but the 543 is similar: http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/545-1.jpg For the filters on the other side of the chassis, I relocate the much smaller replacement 1.0 and 2.0 microfarad caps to the underside of the board and install a new tie strip where the originals were mounted. Two of the filters go here and the third goes on the chassis between the grounding point for the volume control parts and the 47-ohm plate resistors for the 6973 tubes. http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/545-2.jpg There are several things that can cause the fade-out. Power supply issues, AGC, other capacitors not yet replaced, even a bad tube. Tubes in this amplifier are normally fed a partial filament voltage at idle and raised to full voltage when a selection is made. I suspect a wiring error in this case. Something left out of the doubler circuit is most likely. To properly troubleshoot you'll need to test the amplifier on the bench, starting with voltage measurements. This requires a jumper plug for the "Chassis" socket, a multimeter and preferably an oscilloscope. These amplifiers when operating have internal voltages in excess of 400 volts. This can kill you, please be careful. If you're not prepared to work on it yourself, there are others on the list who can suggest qualified people to repair the amplifier for you. (It wouldn't be fair for me to make such recommendations.) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jun 14 14:40:35 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jun 14 14:43:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trying to find a nsm ES3 or ES4 carriage (player un it) Message-ID: <20090614.174035.15706.2@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Tom: I think you'll find that NSM's ES IV (4) control platform is one designated for NSM CD players, and is not compatible to vinyl players. Vinyl jukes of the 80's operated either on ES II or ES III. There are one or two interim models (City 4, I think) that were offered as vinyl-only, vinyl-CD combo, or as CD only versions. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Make the right decisions about your inheritance. Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSYhwSp32aHQztcHu1NhXyJvKgM0LUb8CPdh6PJe9vQyYRXSyjydq/ From jay at west.net Sun Jun 14 14:53:53 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jun 14 14:55:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <001501c9ed09$455ef770$d01ce650$@force9.co.uk> References: <107996.48615.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001501c9ed09$455ef770$d01ce650$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A357171.2050907@west.net> Nigel Pugh wrote: > I had a Rowe Ami several years ago with the same problem. Drove me nuts. > In the end it turned out to be the wattage switch on the amp. I just hard > wired it out of circuit, after several unsuccessful attempts at cleaning the > contacts. I'm not saying this is your problem, but sometimes the obvious is > staring you right under the nose. > 20+ years later and the problem has never returned. Wurlitzer amps have a > similar switch. Or - as Ron says, could be a mech issue. The mute is sorted > on the mech not the amp on these. Stereo Wurlitzer amps of this vintage don't have a wattage switch. Multiple transformer taps are brought out to a screw terminal strip and cabinet speaker wattage is set by moving a lug from the cabinet speaker to the appropriate screw tap. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Sun Jun 14 15:53:17 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Sun Jun 14 15:55:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trying to find a nsm ES3 or ES4 carriage (player unit) References: <20090614.174035.15706.2@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: There were some late 1980's vinyl-only models that used the ESIV platform. The City IV, Concert 240-II and Concert 240-III all use the ESIV. Jon Scaptura ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trying to find a nsm ES3 or ES4 carriage (player unit) Tom: I think you'll find that NSM's ES IV (4) control platform is one designated for NSM CD players, and is not compatible to vinyl players. Vinyl jukes of the 80's operated either on ES II or ES III. There are one or two interim models (City 4, I think) that were offered as vinyl-only, vinyl-CD combo, or as CD only versions. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Make the right decisions about your inheritance. Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSYhwSp32aHQztcHu1NhXyJvKgM0LUb8CPdh6PJe9vQyYRXSyjydq/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jun 14 16:04:12 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jun 14 16:07:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trying to find a nsm ES3 or ES4 carriage (player un it) Message-ID: <20090614.190412.27003.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Jon: Thanks for the info. I was not aware of that. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find a licensed private investigator to help you be in the know. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYUQr90pWrbidfc6mmjl8ibfIYo4IoaG8RZbc7QCLfzqHiUjAKhk6M/ From webmaster at guestwho.com Sun Jun 14 17:10:03 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sun Jun 14 17:11:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <4A355E3C.2000604@west.net> References: <092361A0CBF64FC3B08AB66F1BDF48B9@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A355E3C.2000604@west.net> Message-ID: <50B97A524F7643A3A04C8F6B92C8C16B@CHRISLAPTOP> Jay, You must've read my mind, that's the exact part of the circuit I was working on! The one without the connection to chassis ground is the one I just replaced. It's the big round hole, which on yours I see still has 1 wire connected. The original had a resitor and a grey wire on one side (negative), with a resitor, diode, and two red wires on the other (positive). All I did was unsoldered those from the old capacitor, and joined them across the legs of the new one - no terminals/tie points coz I didn't have any. I covered the ends with heatshrink tube, which I now regret because I'll probably need to remove and resolved them to replace the "can" capacitor underneath (the squarish hole on your picture). http://www.guestwho.com/juke/amp_1.jpg I see you replaced the diode with a new modern version - is this required or just advisable ? I plan to bench test when I get a pair of 8ohm speakers, the 400V doesn't bother me, I've worked on switch mode power supplies with high voltages before. I've studied electronics and I'm comfortable with it all, but tubes are a new thing to me. I own about 4 DMM's and an analouge meter, but I don't have access to an oscilloscope or signal generator right now. I know how to use a CRO (oscilloscope), but no idea what to look for when buying one - any suggestions ? I want to do this myself - I work from home and live at my PC 5 days a week, so this little weekend project is a welcome escape. One thing to note: I live in very small one horse town, so any tools, supplies or test equipment means either ebay or a drive to the city. We don't even have a radioshack anymore! One quick safety question: How do I tell if a capacitor is fully discharged ? I've discharged plenty with a screwdriver or a resistor, but is this an instant process or should I leave it shorted for several minutes to be safe? DMM set to volts across the leads gives stupid readings, like -2600 Volts on a discharged 250V 100uf capacitor! Mind if I ask where you're located ? I'm in Ontario, Canada myself.. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out > Chris Ralph wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I've been recapping my 2600 (543 AMP), and it seems replacing one of the >> 100uf 250v electro's has done more harm than good. >> >> I was having issues with the sound fading out after a few minutes, so I >> replaced a number of big caps mounted inside the amp chassis, and also >> few >> of the "can" caps with electrolytics - it seemed okay in the short test >> runs >> I did. I decided to continue on this path, this time replacing a single >> 100uf can capacitor, but now the problem is back - from a cold start the >> record plays about 30 seconds and then just fades out to nothing (no >> music, >> no crackle, hum, nothing - but it's a gradual fade out, not a sudden loss >> of >> sound). I also get a low hum when the record is not playing (doesn't >> happen >> during play). Why would replacing the capacitor cause more problems >> instead >> of making it better ? >> >> Also, when it does play, the sound is distored, like if you turn a cheap >> hi-fi up too loud. >> >> Do any of these problems sound familliar ? > > There are two 100 microfarad 250V capacitors in the circuit. These, in > conjunction with a pair of silicon rectifiers, form a voltage doubler that > supplies the high voltage for the tube circuits. I would replace both of > them at the same time. Note that the (-) connection of one of these > capacitors is NOT connected to chassis ground. The original is mounted on > an insulating baseplate and has a cardboard cover. In fact it would be a > good idea to replace all of the electrolytic and paper capacitors as well > as measure and replace as needed the high-value and power resistors. > > I would look carefully for a wiring error in the installation of the new > capacitor. The installation of new tie-points is often needed. What I do > on this style amp is to use the tie points for the old paralleled .5 > microfarad caps in the 28VDC circuit for the new voltage doubler caps. New > .5 caps are much smaller and a single 1 microfarad cap can replace these > easily without needing tie points. This requires moving a number of parts > around but results in a nice clean rebuild. > > Here's the way I do it, this is a 545 amplifier but the 543 is similar: > > http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/545-1.jpg > > For the filters on the other side of the chassis, I relocate the much > smaller replacement 1.0 and 2.0 microfarad caps to the underside of the > board and install a new tie strip where the originals were mounted. Two > of the filters go here and the third goes on the chassis between the > grounding point for the volume control parts and the 47-ohm plate > resistors for the 6973 tubes. > > http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/545-2.jpg > > There are several things that can cause the fade-out. Power supply > issues, AGC, other capacitors not yet replaced, even a bad tube. Tubes in > this amplifier are normally fed a partial filament voltage at idle and > raised to full voltage when a selection is made. I suspect a wiring error > in this case. Something left out of the doubler circuit is most likely. > > To properly troubleshoot you'll need to test the amplifier on the bench, > starting with voltage measurements. This requires a jumper plug for the > "Chassis" socket, a multimeter and preferably an oscilloscope. > > These amplifiers when operating have internal voltages in excess of 400 > volts. This can kill you, please be careful. If you're not prepared to > work on it yourself, there are others on the list who can suggest > qualified people to repair the amplifier for you. (It wouldn't be fair > for me to make such recommendations.) > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From webmaster at guestwho.com Sun Jun 14 17:17:28 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sun Jun 14 17:19:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <57F3935D27474B03A148B28238320F34@JUKEBUS> References: <092361A0CBF64FC3B08AB66F1BDF48B9@CHRISLAPTOP> <57F3935D27474B03A148B28238320F34@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: The schematic mentions an input of a specific voltage and frequency (hz), and to apply this to the input and use a certain value resistor for the load (across the speaker terminals). Do I need a signal generator in order to get the voltages on the schematic, or should they be close to spec with any kind of input? Tube testers are big and expensive to ship, so I haven't been able to obtain one. Do they make portable versions ? Like say the size of a radio? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juke of Shrewsbury" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out > Chris, > I don't think the new cap has done any harm, but as Ron and others have > mentioned there are other things that can go wrong with the amp. To > eliminate the mute switch in the mech, just disconnect it (you will now > get > "noise" during record changing). It that makes no difference my guess (and > it's only a guess) would be a bad resistor somewhere. During a proper > rebuild of an amp all the resistors are measured and any out of tolerance, > or any that have obviously been overheating, are replaced. This in > addition > to replacing all the caps, both electrolytic and non electrolytic, (apart > from any ceramic types) and testing all the tubes. The unit should them be > powered up on the bench and all the voltages shown on the schematic > checked. > Any voltages not within 10% or so of the stated value require > investigation. > Finally an input signal is connected and the sound is checked "by ear". > When I do this I play the workshop radio through the amp for at least an > hour, this shows up any thermally dependant faults. > Hope this helps, > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Ralph" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:55 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out > > > Hi all, > > I've been recapping my 2600 (543 AMP), and it seems replacing one of the > 100uf 250v electro's has done more harm than good. > > I was having issues with the sound fading out after a few minutes, so I > replaced a number of big caps mounted inside the amp chassis, and also few > of the "can" caps with electrolytics - it seemed okay in the short test > runs > I did. I decided to continue on this path, this time replacing a single > 100uf can capacitor, but now the problem is back - from a cold start the > record plays about 30 seconds and then just fades out to nothing (no > music, > no crackle, hum, nothing - but it's a gradual fade out, not a sudden loss > of > sound). I also get a low hum when the record is not playing (doesn't > happen > during play). Why would replacing the capacitor cause more problems > instead > of making it better ? > > Also, when it does play, the sound is distored, like if you turn a cheap > hi-fi up too loud. > > Do any of these problems sound familliar ? > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.68/2175 - Release Date: 06/14/09 > 05:53:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Sun Jun 14 18:06:46 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jun 14 18:08:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: References: <092361A0CBF64FC3B08AB66F1BDF48B9@CHRISLAPTOP> <57F3935D27474B03A148B28238320F34@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <4A359EA6.8020203@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > The schematic mentions an input of a specific voltage and frequency > (hz), and to apply this to the input and use a certain value resistor > for the load (across the speaker terminals). For a ceramic input phono you can use an IPod and RCA Y-cord and just play music. There should be any number of programs to generate audio tones from a PC sound card as well if you want sine waves. > Do I need a signal generator in order to get the voltages on the > schematic, or should they be close to spec with any kind of input? Your multimeter on AC Volts should get you pretty close. > Tube testers are big and expensive to ship, so I haven't been able to > obtain one. Do they make portable versions ? Like say the size of a radio? There are some relatively compact tube testers, the Eico model 666 comes up on EBay from time to time. Way smaller and lighter than the Hickock units, but not quite as thorough of a test. Sencore also made some relatively portable tube testers. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jdl1981 at ymail.com Sun Jun 14 18:12:16 2009 From: jdl1981 at ymail.com (Josh Loman) Date: Sun Jun 14 18:13:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United UPD100 Jukebox form 1960? Value and parts Question Message-ID: <654166.57406.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have found a good complete and solid United UPD-100 50 select jukebox local to me that I can get for a few hundred. It is very odd in that it has dials instead of buttons for selections. I like the looks but I am worried about buying something I will never be able to fix and once restored I will never get what I paid out of it.? It is complete and solid but does not work. It does not scan at all. Any ideas? If it worth fooling with? I like it because it is odd but will it ever sell if I want to get rid of it? Thank you all for all of your help so far. The archives have been very informative and helpful for my other projects. I have now completed my 1432 and sold my 1454 to help pay for the restoration for the 1432. Thank you all again. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 14 18:25:31 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jun 14 18:27:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United UPD100 Jukebox form 1960? Value and parts Question Message-ID: <270410.25608.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Josh, Don't you have it backwards--100 selections--50 records ? I have worked on a few Uniteds--not to hard to figure out, as they were designed by a pinball company, and use many common parts.? Usual problem when it won't function is a lack of oil, or sometimes too much oil--on a switch somewhere--also, now, wire color is all faded-- Most of them that I have seen were "B" models. I think all four models are pretty much the same, except that they went for a stereo amp at some time-- As for value---I dono !? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Josh Loman wrote: From: Josh Loman Subject: [Jukebox-list] United UPD100 Jukebox form 1960? Value and parts Question To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 6:12 PM I have found a good complete and solid United UPD-100 50 select jukebox local to me that I can get for a few hundred. It is very odd in that it has dials instead of buttons for selections. I like the looks but I am worried about buying something I will never be able to fix and once restored I will never get what I paid out of it.? It is complete and solid but does not work. It does not scan at all. Any ideas? If it worth fooling with? I like it because it is odd but will it ever sell if I want to get rid of it? Thank you all for all of your help so far. The archives have been very informative and helpful for my other projects. I have now completed my 1432 and sold my 1454 to help pay for the restoration for the 1432. Thank you all again. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Jun 14 18:26:12 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jun 14 18:27:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <50B97A524F7643A3A04C8F6B92C8C16B@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <092361A0CBF64FC3B08AB66F1BDF48B9@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A355E3C.2000604@west.net> <50B97A524F7643A3A04C8F6B92C8C16B@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4A35A334.6040003@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > Jay, > > You must've read my mind, that's the exact part of the circuit I was > working on! > > The one without the connection to chassis ground is the one I just > replaced. It's the big round hole, which on yours I see still has 1 wire > connected. That wire just goes to the positive side of the other capacitor, which is now inactive. > The original had a resitor and a grey wire on one side (negative), The grey wire goes to the positive terminal of the 100 microfarad section of the other capacitor. The resistor goes to one side of the transformer. Check that resistor, it should be 8 ohms. > with > a resitor, diode, and two red wires on the other (positive). All I did > was unsoldered those from the old capacitor, and joined them across the > legs of the new one - no terminals/tie points coz I didn't have any. That wiring looks correct from your picture. You can see in my picture where I stole two existing two-terminal tie points previously used for 0.47 capacitors on the 28VDC circuit. I replaced both of those with a 1 uF straight to the fuseholder from ground. > I covered the ends with heatshrink tube, which I now regret because I'll > probably need to remove and resolved them to replace the "can" capacitor > underneath (the squarish hole on your picture). > > http://www.guestwho.com/juke/amp_1.jpg > > I see you replaced the diode with a new modern version - is this > required or just advisable ? Not required as the originals are silicon but 1N4007 diodes are under 2 cents each and I buy them by the thousand. These are higher rated than the ones in the circuit. > I plan to bench test when I get a pair of 8ohm speakers, the 400V > doesn't bother me, I've worked on switch mode power supplies with high > voltages before. I've studied electronics and I'm comfortable with it > all, but tubes are a new thing to me. With that power supply, the junction between the two 100 microfarad capacitors should be about 180-200 VDC and the positive of the one you replaced about 360-400 VDC. You need to jumper pins 1 to 5 and also 3 to 8 on the Chassis socket to test this amp on the bench. > I own about 4 DMM's and an analouge meter, but I don't have access to an > oscilloscope or signal generator right now. I know how to use a CRO > (oscilloscope), but no idea what to look for when buying one - any > suggestions ? A decent used Tektronix scope will be fine for audio and built like a tank. New ones aren't CROs any more, as the CR is now an LCD. > I want to do this myself - I work from home and live at my PC 5 days a > week, so this little weekend project is a welcome escape. One thing to > note: I live in very small one horse town, so any tools, supplies or > test equipment means either ebay or a drive to the city. We don't even > have a radioshack anymore! Or buy from Newark, DigiKey, etc. > One quick safety question: How do I tell if a capacitor is fully > discharged ? I've discharged plenty with a screwdriver or a resistor, > but is this an instant process or should I leave it shorted for several > minutes to be safe? DMM set to volts across the leads gives stupid > readings, like -2600 Volts on a discharged 250V 100uf capacitor! A clip lead across the capacitor after a minute or two with a resistor should do it. Circuit components to ground on this amplifier will adequately discharge the caps after it's powered down for a few minutes. I suspect that's 2600 millivolts. Most DMMs won't read as high as 2600 volts. > Mind if I ask where you're located ? I'm in Ontario, Canada myself.. Santa Barbara, California, USA. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Sun Jun 14 18:33:13 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jun 14 18:34:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United UPD100 Jukebox form 1960? Value and parts Question In-Reply-To: <654166.57406.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <654166.57406.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A35A4D9.7090306@west.net> Josh Loman wrote: > I have found a good complete and solid United UPD-100 50 select jukebox local to me that I can get for a few hundred. It is very odd in that it has dials instead of buttons for selections. I like the looks but I am worried about buying something I will never be able to fix and once restored I will never get what I paid out of it. It is complete and solid but does not work. It does not scan at all. Any ideas? If it worth fooling with? I like it because it is odd but will it ever sell if I want to get rid of it? Thank you all for all of your help so far. The archives have been very informative and helpful for my other projects. I have now completed my 1432 and sold my 1454 to help pay for the restoration for the 1432. Thank you all again. United was primarily a pinball manufacturer and their jukes are built somewhat like pinball machines. I believe that manuals are available from the usual sources. If it's cosmetically all there in good condition, should be worth restoring IMHO. Few if any cosmetic or cabinet parts are being reproduced. I think they're actually 100 select, both sides of 50 records. As far as resale value, hard to tell. On the plus side there aren't that many of them around, but on the minus side not as popular as Seeburg or Wurlitzer with the general public. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 14 18:40:56 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jun 14 18:42:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United UPD100 Jukebox form 1960? Value and parts Question Message-ID: <254842.11787.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> PS--word of caution--Do NOT use valuable records in a United as they have a bad habit of picking out the most valuable one to "throw"----(early example of "computer programming" ?)? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] United UPD100 Jukebox form 1960? Value and parts Question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 6:25 PM Josh, Don't you have it backwards--100 selections--50 records ? I have worked on a few Uniteds--not to hard to figure out, as they were designed by a pinball company, and use many common parts.? Usual problem when it won't function is a lack of oil, or sometimes too much oil--on a switch somewhere--also, now, wire color is all faded-- Most of them that I have seen were "B" models. I think all four models are pretty much the same, except that they went for a stereo amp at some time-- As for value---I dono !? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Josh Loman wrote: From: Josh Loman Subject: [Jukebox-list] United UPD100 Jukebox form 1960? Value and parts Question To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 6:12 PM I have found a good complete and solid United UPD-100 50 select jukebox local to me that I can get for a few hundred. It is very odd in that it has dials instead of buttons for selections. I like the looks but I am worried about buying something I will never be able to fix and once restored I will never get what I paid out of it.? It is complete and solid but does not work. It does not scan at all. Any ideas? If it worth fooling with? I like it because it is odd but will it ever sell if I want to get rid of it? Thank you all for all of your help so far. The archives have been very informative and helpful for my other projects. I have now completed my 1432 and sold my 1454 to help pay for the restoration for the 1432. Thank you all again. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Sun Jun 14 19:58:32 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sun Jun 14 20:00:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <4A35A334.6040003@west.net> References: <092361A0CBF64FC3B08AB66F1BDF48B9@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A355E3C.2000604@west.net><50B97A524F7643A3A04C8F6B92C8C16B@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A35A334.6040003@west.net> Message-ID: <8C264FEF51EC4DE0A3C6F03B8A889475@CHRISLAPTOP> Thanks. I replaced the other "can" capacitor with 2x electro's but something is now very wrong. As soon as I turn the amp on I see smoke and hear this bubbling noise (needless to say I didn't turn it on a second time!). I checked to make sure nothing was shorting against the chassis, and I'm confident I wired the other caps correctly, so I'm stumped as to where the problem is. The smoke appeared to come from near the muting socket, but the caps there are fine - I wired those the first day I started working on it, and they've been fine! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out > Chris Ralph wrote: >> Jay, >> >> You must've read my mind, that's the exact part of the circuit I was >> working on! >> >> The one without the connection to chassis ground is the one I just >> replaced. It's the big round hole, which on yours I see still has 1 wire >> connected. > > That wire just goes to the positive side of the other capacitor, which is > now inactive. > >> The original had a resitor and a grey wire on one side (negative), > > The grey wire goes to the positive terminal of the 100 microfarad section > of the other capacitor. The resistor goes to one side of the transformer. > Check that resistor, it should be 8 ohms. > >> with a resitor, diode, and two red wires on the other (positive). All I >> did was unsoldered those from the old capacitor, and joined them across >> the legs of the new one - no terminals/tie points coz I didn't have any. > > That wiring looks correct from your picture. You can see in my picture > where I stole two existing two-terminal tie points previously used for > 0.47 capacitors on the 28VDC circuit. I replaced both of those with a 1 > uF straight to the fuseholder from ground. > >> I covered the ends with heatshrink tube, which I now regret because I'll >> probably need to remove and resolved them to replace the "can" capacitor >> underneath (the squarish hole on your picture). >> >> http://www.guestwho.com/juke/amp_1.jpg >> >> I see you replaced the diode with a new modern version - is this required >> or just advisable ? > > Not required as the originals are silicon but 1N4007 diodes are under 2 > cents each and I buy them by the thousand. These are higher rated than > the ones in the circuit. > >> I plan to bench test when I get a pair of 8ohm speakers, the 400V >> doesn't bother me, I've worked on switch mode power supplies with high >> voltages before. I've studied electronics and I'm comfortable with it >> all, but tubes are a new thing to me. > > With that power supply, the junction between the two 100 microfarad > capacitors should be about 180-200 VDC and the positive of the one you > replaced about 360-400 VDC. You need to jumper pins 1 to 5 and also 3 to > 8 on the Chassis socket to test this amp on the bench. > >> I own about 4 DMM's and an analouge meter, but I don't have access to an >> oscilloscope or signal generator right now. I know how to use a CRO >> (oscilloscope), but no idea what to look for when buying one - any >> suggestions ? > > A decent used Tektronix scope will be fine for audio and built like a > tank. New ones aren't CROs any more, as the CR is now an LCD. > >> I want to do this myself - I work from home and live at my PC 5 days a >> week, so this little weekend project is a welcome escape. One thing to >> note: I live in very small one horse town, so any tools, supplies or test >> equipment means either ebay or a drive to the city. We don't even have a >> radioshack anymore! > > Or buy from Newark, DigiKey, etc. > >> One quick safety question: How do I tell if a capacitor is fully >> discharged ? I've discharged plenty with a screwdriver or a resistor, but >> is this an instant process or should I leave it shorted for several >> minutes to be safe? DMM set to volts across the leads gives stupid >> readings, like -2600 Volts on a discharged 250V 100uf capacitor! > > A clip lead across the capacitor after a minute or two with a resistor > should do it. Circuit components to ground on this amplifier will > adequately discharge the caps after it's powered down for a few minutes. I > suspect that's 2600 millivolts. Most DMMs won't read as high as 2600 > volts. > >> Mind if I ask where you're located ? I'm in Ontario, Canada myself.. > > Santa Barbara, California, USA. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jun 14 22:07:18 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jun 14 22:10:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United UPD100 Jukebox form 1960? Value and parts Qu estion Message-ID: <20090615.010718.27705.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Josh: The Always Jukin' jukebox Price Guide has been regarded as a "blue book" price guide for the jukebox hobby. That guide lists the 4 United models at $2000, $1,000 and $500 value for grades 2, 3, and 4 condition. With the sluggish economy, many jukes are selling for 20-40% below the typical blue book prices, if that helps. Reprints of United service manuals are readily available. I suggest that if the cabinet, trim and glass is in good condition,and the interior is complete, the mechanics/electronics can usually be refurbished without too much difficulty/cost. There are some collectors out there that are fans of the United jukes. Finding original replacement parts, if needed, will be a something of a challenge. If you decide not to rehab your United D, you should be easily able to recoup your investment by advertising/selling it as a parted-out unit. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to reduce wrinkles & lines. Anti-aging that works, try now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWhBnk4HSWj5luk9OldkOoO18HRZI6FPuRnlCgkXIkT0mJmMTlmDm/ From jay at west.net Sun Jun 14 22:19:08 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jun 14 22:20:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <8C264FEF51EC4DE0A3C6F03B8A889475@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <092361A0CBF64FC3B08AB66F1BDF48B9@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A355E3C.2000604@west.net><50B97A524F7643A3A04C8F6B92C8C16B@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A35A334.6040003@west.net> <8C264FEF51EC4DE0A3C6F03B8A889475@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4A35D9CC.3050804@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > Thanks. I replaced the other "can" capacitor with 2x electro's but > something is now very wrong. As soon as I turn the amp on I see smoke > and hear this bubbling noise (needless to say I didn't turn it on a > second time!). I checked to make sure nothing was shorting against the > chassis, and I'm confident I wired the other caps correctly, so I'm > stumped as to where the problem is. The smoke appeared to come from near > the muting socket, but the caps there are fine - I wired those the first > day I started working on it, and they've been fine! First verify the fuse values against the schematic and those marked on the chassis. It's difficult to troubleshoot something like this remotely, so this is mostly an educated guess. Here's my guess: Previously the 100 microfarad voltage doubler capacitors were bad, resulting in low B+ voltage. Unlike the filters, these capacitors are actually responsible for producing the operating voltage, not just filtering the AC component. Odds are that the filter capacitor (the other can, near the muting socket) is also bad, possibly leaky or shorted. With the low B+ voltage, the amplifier worked but with much reduced power and distortion. This may have been the cause of the fading and distortion you observed. When you replaced the 100 microfarad capacitors, the B+ voltage is now normal and much higher than it likely has been for many years. This is causing he faulty filter capacitor (near the muting socket) to draw excessive current. This is causing the bubbling noise and the 4.7K dropping resistors are likely overheating and smoking. If the bubbling noise continues, you're about to witness a rather spectacular failure mode of electrolytic capacitors featuring flaming strips of aluminum and a very unpleasant smell. You really don't want to go there. Replace all of the electrolytics and check the 4.7K resistors as well for drift and physical damage. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jun 14 22:23:31 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jun 14 22:25:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Message-ID: <20090615.012331.27705.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello Chris: Are you the fellow that had a W2600 discussion thread running about 2 weeks ago for a W 2600 Top Tunes Kit? There was a discussion about what technology method this golden Bar kit used. Just letting you know that someone is selling a non-working W2600 on E Bay in the US for an opening bid of $50 with no takers. Per the pix this 2600 is equipped with a top tunes kit . E Bay transaction # 250 439 260 042. This may be a practical way for you to get all the hard-to-find parts you're searching for. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss today with Computer Training. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRnv3MiQ7iBLj8GoCEn7lBtVaK8x3Tblf3crVMqqOxOicL2u7NscA/ From webmaster at guestwho.com Sun Jun 14 23:36:12 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sun Jun 14 23:37:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <20090615.012331.27705.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090615.012331.27705.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <9DF40149CE624FA58E3B74C0D42E16CD@CHRISLAPTOP> Hey Jim, Yes that's me, I'd have to see if they'll part it out for me, shipping would be off the wall for the whole machine. Mine was only 3 hours away so I loaded it in the back of my buddy's van. Freight cost was about $40 gas + coffee. What's the listing number ? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Hello Chris: Are you the fellow that had a W2600 discussion thread running about 2 weeks ago for a W 2600 Top Tunes Kit? There was a discussion about what technology method this golden Bar kit used. Just letting you know that someone is selling a non-working W2600 on E Bay in the US for an opening bid of $50 with no takers. Per the pix this 2600 is equipped with a top tunes kit . E Bay transaction # 250 439 260 042. This may be a practical way for you to get all the hard-to-find parts you're searching for. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss today with Computer Training. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRnv3MiQ7iBLj8GoCEn7lBtVaK8x3Tblf3crVMqqOxOicL2u7NscA/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jun 14 23:47:27 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jun 14 23:51:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Message-ID: <20090615.024727.12935.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> I listed the E Bay transaction number in the 1st letter. Go to E Bay to see where the juke is located---maybe it's reasonably close to to you. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVv6zV0gvW88vdDb60pv6c1gn0asppUuKhjFRHQG5ZGuYm2M9dcTO/ From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Jun 15 00:09:27 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Jun 15 00:11:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <4A35D9CC.3050804@west.net> References: <092361A0CBF64FC3B08AB66F1BDF48B9@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A355E3C.2000604@west.net><50B97A524F7643A3A04C8F6B92C8C16B@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A35A334.6040003@west.net><8C264FEF51EC4DE0A3C6F03B8A889475@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A35D9CC.3050804@west.net> Message-ID: <8D669AFEF2E1424C8E853BCE6DA47467@CHRISLAPTOP> The can you are referring to, is that C23 (30uf/500v, 20uf/400v, 20uf/400v, 25uf/50v) ? If so I have replaced that one already. I'm stuck on the following caps though: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/amp_2.jpg 1) 0.22uf/400V (white paper caps, two of these) 2) 0.033uf/1000v (black capacitor, just one that I see) I don't see either of these listed on the schematic or in the bag of caps from the kit. I was expecting those to be bright yellow pollys, but maybe the replacements are ceramic? (given that they are such low values) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out > Chris Ralph wrote: >> Thanks. I replaced the other "can" capacitor with 2x electro's but >> something is now very wrong. As soon as I turn the amp on I see smoke and >> hear this bubbling noise (needless to say I didn't turn it on a second >> time!). I checked to make sure nothing was shorting against the chassis, >> and I'm confident I wired the other caps correctly, so I'm stumped as to >> where the problem is. The smoke appeared to come from near the muting >> socket, but the caps there are fine - I wired those the first day I >> started working on it, and they've been fine! > > First verify the fuse values against the schematic and those marked on the > chassis. > > It's difficult to troubleshoot something like this remotely, so this is > mostly an educated guess. > > Here's my guess: > > Previously the 100 microfarad voltage doubler capacitors were bad, > resulting in low B+ voltage. Unlike the filters, these capacitors are > actually responsible for producing the operating voltage, not just > filtering the AC component. Odds are that the filter capacitor (the other > can, near the muting socket) is also bad, possibly leaky or shorted. > > With the low B+ voltage, the amplifier worked but with much reduced power > and distortion. This may have been the cause of the fading and distortion > you observed. > > When you replaced the 100 microfarad capacitors, the B+ voltage is now > normal and much higher than it likely has been for many years. This is > causing he faulty filter capacitor (near the muting socket) to draw > excessive current. This is causing the bubbling noise and the 4.7K > dropping resistors are likely overheating and smoking. If the bubbling > noise continues, you're about to witness a rather spectacular failure mode > of electrolytic capacitors featuring flaming strips of aluminum and a very > unpleasant smell. You really don't want to go there. > > Replace all of the electrolytics and check the 4.7K resistors as well for > drift and physical damage. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Mon Jun 15 07:14:04 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Mon Jun 15 07:15:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United UPD100 Jukebox form 1960? Value and partsQuestion References: <654166.57406.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22196B0EE1F744078A3C24DD8E0A99A9@PAW> Josh: I would say that if you are familiar with electromechanical devices.( in other word pinball) that is all a United is, it was a pinball machine that plays records. If you can read a schematic and set switches you can fix one. I do have some parts for one if you need any. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND I have found a good complete and solid United UPD-100 50 select jukebox local to me that I can get for a few hundred. It is very odd in that it has dials instead of buttons for selections. I like the looks but I am worried about buying something I will never be able to fix and once restored I will never get what I paid out of it. It is complete and solid but does not work. It does not scan at all. Any ideas? If it worth fooling with? I like it because it is odd but will it ever sell if I want to get rid of it? Thank you all for all of your help so far. The archives have been very informative and helpful for my other projects. I have now completed my 1432 and sold my 1454 to help pay for the restoration for the 1432. Thank you all again. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Mon Jun 15 12:02:21 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jun 15 12:04:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <8D669AFEF2E1424C8E853BCE6DA47467@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <092361A0CBF64FC3B08AB66F1BDF48B9@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A355E3C.2000604@west.net><50B97A524F7643A3A04C8F6B92C8C16B@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A35A334.6040003@west.net><8C264FEF51EC4DE0A3C6F03B8A889475@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A35D9CC.3050804@west.net> <8D669AFEF2E1424C8E853BCE6DA47467@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4A369ABD.5080408@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > The can you are referring to, is that C23 (30uf/500v, 20uf/400v, > 20uf/400v, 25uf/50v) ? If so I have replaced that one already. Triple-check that you don't have one or more of them backwards. All of these should have the (-) connected to the chassis. > I'm stuck on the following caps though: > > http://www.guestwho.com/juke/amp_2.jpg > > 1) 0.22uf/400V (white paper caps, two of these) > 2) 0.033uf/1000v (black capacitor, just one that I see) > > I don't see either of these listed on the schematic or in the bag of > caps from the kit. I was expecting those to be bright yellow pollys, but > maybe the replacements are ceramic? (given that they are such low values) They should be poly/mylar. The two 0.22 uf are shown on the schematic connected to the lower left winding of T3. Some poly caps are rectangular with radial leads. Send a picture of the replacements you have. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 15 13:10:07 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 15 13:12:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Message-ID: <20090615.161007.15224.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: RE: capacitor substitutions in Wurl. amplifiers It is common practice these days to substitute single-unit electrolytic axial capacitors to replace the multi-section can capacitors, that for the most part are no longer being manufactured. In the 60's era Wurlitzer stereo tube amplifiers, placing the single caps can be something of a challenge since there isn't a lot of extra space below the chassis in the right areas. One has to be inventive, and fabricate terminal board mounts,move parts around, etc in order to do a nice job. The voltage doubler caps (one of which has to be isolated from ground) adds to the difficulty. Usually, in order to maintain a nice looking amplifier, the old chassis mounted caps will be left in place,disconnected. There are some capacitor makers that are offering fresh multi-section can-style capacitors, in the most popular values/sizes. There are a few isolated-ground models. These seem to be targeted more to servicers of classic guitar/instrument amplifiers than others. The caveat is that these limited edition caps are pricey---the average cost being $30-35 ea. In the case of all the extra time/labor that it takes for an amp rebuilder to rework a Wurl. 543-544-545 amp to accomodate the new individual caps, buying the can versions might be worth their price. You can find the "new" Mallory and Ruby brand caps at Antique Electronics, Parts Express and other suppliers catering to guitarists. This particular discussion thread,where you are knee-deep in problems with a 543 amp, seemed like a good place to bring this up. Add this repair hint to Jay's good advice: Check/replace B+ power supply diodes,and associated wiring-----capacitors making a bubbling sound may be connected across a DC line that is now carrying AC. Rectifiers used in voltage doubler power supplies are under more stress and likely to fail (short!) than rectifiers in a full-wave supply. Good luck with your rebuild. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6unrpHsRat8Be7Rn0kcUdJm907MF1lc0O5INVdvwMnWlCCteso/ From maddleso at gmu.edu Mon Jun 15 14:24:37 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Mon Jun 15 14:26:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Thank you re motor run cap on 50s Seeburgs Message-ID: Thank you to those, including Di Di Mao, Ron Rich and Jay Hennigan, who replied to my question about motor run caps. As usual, your information was useful. Regards Mark From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Jun 15 16:13:22 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Jun 15 16:15:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <20090615.161007.15224.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090615.161007.15224.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I used a terminal board for the can with 4 values, and it looks like I need to buy another and do the same thing with the other section (2 cans, 2 diodes, etc). The new chassis mount caps would be awesome - I just rewired in new parts and left them mounted for appearance, I didn't think the cans were made anymore. I don't care if they're $35 each, worth it to me (now if they were $200 each, then I'd pass) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Gentlemen: RE: capacitor substitutions in Wurl. amplifiers It is common practice these days to substitute single-unit electrolytic axial capacitors to replace the multi-section can capacitors, that for the most part are no longer being manufactured. In the 60's era Wurlitzer stereo tube amplifiers, placing the single caps can be something of a challenge since there isn't a lot of extra space below the chassis in the right areas. One has to be inventive, and fabricate terminal board mounts,move parts around, etc in order to do a nice job. The voltage doubler caps (one of which has to be isolated from ground) adds to the difficulty. Usually, in order to maintain a nice looking amplifier, the old chassis mounted caps will be left in place,disconnected. There are some capacitor makers that are offering fresh multi-section can-style capacitors, in the most popular values/sizes. There are a few isolated-ground models. These seem to be targeted more to servicers of classic guitar/instrument amplifiers than others. The caveat is that these limited edition caps are pricey---the average cost being $30-35 ea. In the case of all the extra time/labor that it takes for an amp rebuilder to rework a Wurl. 543-544-545 amp to accomodate the new individual caps, buying the can versions might be worth their price. You can find the "new" Mallory and Ruby brand caps at Antique Electronics, Parts Express and other suppliers catering to guitarists. This particular discussion thread,where you are knee-deep in problems with a 543 amp, seemed like a good place to bring this up. Add this repair hint to Jay's good advice: Check/replace B+ power supply diodes,and associated wiring-----capacitors making a bubbling sound may be connected across a DC line that is now carrying AC. Rectifiers used in voltage doubler power supplies are under more stress and likely to fail (short!) than rectifiers in a full-wave supply. Good luck with your rebuild. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6unrpHsRat8Be7Rn0kcUdJm907MF1lc0O5INVdvwMnWlCCteso/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Jun 15 16:55:00 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Jun 15 16:56:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <4A369ABD.5080408@west.net> References: <092361A0CBF64FC3B08AB66F1BDF48B9@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A355E3C.2000604@west.net><50B97A524F7643A3A04C8F6B92C8C16B@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A35A334.6040003@west.net><8C264FEF51EC4DE0A3C6F03B8A889475@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A35D9CC.3050804@west.net><8D669AFEF2E1424C8E853BCE6DA47467@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A369ABD.5080408@west.net> Message-ID: <0A90A21C058E46E6A532528236A06937@CHRISLAPTOP> I looked again at the schematic and the ones you are referring to are only 33.5V, much much smaller, and I see those ones buried in a corner of the amp (actually there's 4 caps there, I can't see the labels on all of them but assuming all the same). There are 4x .22uf 250V mylars (or whatever the blue rectangular ones are) which I assumed were for these. The ones I am talking about are 400V and 1000V respectively, so I figured the replacements would be rated the same. Btw, I checked the schematic and for checking voltages it said to use a 1Khz tone for the audio input ("apply 10 millivolt at 1000cps") - is there a reason for this tone ? isn't this the same one used with tv test patterns? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out > Chris Ralph wrote: >> The can you are referring to, is that C23 (30uf/500v, 20uf/400v, >> 20uf/400v, 25uf/50v) ? If so I have replaced that one already. > > Triple-check that you don't have one or more of them backwards. All of > these should have the (-) connected to the chassis. > >> I'm stuck on the following caps though: >> >> http://www.guestwho.com/juke/amp_2.jpg >> >> 1) 0.22uf/400V (white paper caps, two of these) >> 2) 0.033uf/1000v (black capacitor, just one that I see) >> >> I don't see either of these listed on the schematic or in the bag of caps >> from the kit. I was expecting those to be bright yellow pollys, but maybe >> the replacements are ceramic? (given that they are such low values) > > They should be poly/mylar. The two 0.22 uf are shown on the schematic > connected to the lower left winding of T3. > > Some poly caps are rectangular with radial leads. Send a picture of the > replacements you have. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Mon Jun 15 17:31:54 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Jun 15 17:33:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer omt play counter question In-Reply-To: <003301c9ec4c$76661140$0501a8c0@ZURNT60> References: <8CBB9D2C1DA49B7-16E0-19C3@FWM-M32.sysops.aol.com> <003301c9ec4c$76661140$0501a8c0@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <4A36E7FA.6030000@telus.net> Jeff Zurn wrote: > > Are you looking for the reports? > 'Cash Box Contents, level 1 button 2 > 1. Press selection button 2 once. Digital display shows the cash > box contents in basic units; basic units being the value of the lowest > coin > 2. To cancel the procedure press selection button R > 'Total number of plays. level 1 button 3 > 1. Press selection button 3 once. Display shows the total number > of plays since last reset (maximum 9999) > 2. To cancel the procedure press selection button R > > If you want to see how many credits are currently on the juke, press > the 'Free Credit' button, it will display the number of credits on the > digital display + the one you just added *wink*. > > Jeff And all these book-keeping totals are cleared if you hold button 3 and then press "R"...so there really is no way to know without any doubt how many plays the machine has made. However general condition should show amount of use. If the turntable motor is worn out then it has had a lot of play, if the shaft is snug in the bushing then not so much play... John :-#)# > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:12 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer omt play counter question > > >> Can anyone tell me how find the amount of coin credits on a Wurlitzer >> 1015 OMT cd? This one was made in 1996 and doesn't have a coin >> counter behind the digital display like the others i have owned. The >> person i bought this from said she bought it brand new and it was >> "home use only". By the prestine condition it is in?i believe her, >> but i still want to know. >> >> Thanks >> Don From pinball at telus.net Mon Jun 15 17:33:30 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Jun 15 17:35:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer OMT CD dropping discs In-Reply-To: <4A32D349.4070609@paradise.net.nz> References: <4A32D349.4070609@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A36E85A.5050701@telus.net> Iain Jamieson wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know of how to slow down the gripper arm cycle on a > Wurlitzer OMT CD? It's running at about 9 - 10 seconds with a > recommended speed of 11 - 12 seconds for complete transfer. This > machine very occasionally drops discs. It's a party hire machine and > the owner has only witnessed it once and said it was when the disc was > removed from the carrier basket about mid flight. But every now and > then when collecting the machine from a hire it has a dropped disc. > > Thanks Iain Check if there is a gripper motor series resistor - you can slow the motor down with one of these if it is not installed. Normally the problem is the machine is too slow grabbing the record/cds... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 15 20:31:06 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 15 20:34:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Message-ID: <20090615.233106.13301.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Chris: The small caps in one corner of your amp, all nestled around the volume control are the ones that are part of the loudness contour circuit in the amp. Look in your schematic--- These are the values entering/exiting the vol. control circuit. There should be only two different values there. The circuit is repeated--one for each amp channel. To answer a question you posed earlier, the small coupling-cap values used in these circuits are now sometimes replaced with equal value disc-shaped caps. They may not be the tubular shaped caps like the originals. This is what many of the "cap kit" vendors in the US are doing. Another caution is that the actual value of the cap may not be printed on the cap itself. There will be a coded value instead. This happens the most with small value caps. These codes can vary among cap manufacturers. Whoever sold you your cap kit should have included a printed table so that you can decipher the values of the caps. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Study online and boost your career with a Bachelor's Degree. Click for free info. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZIICgNbZBFV6SKv7rkRbAkgkctfskG06G8ppnu58UziR5NWehMMQ/ From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Jun 15 20:52:24 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Jun 15 20:54:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <20090615.233106.13301.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090615.233106.13301.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Jim, I'm familliar with the disc shaped ceramics, I just wasn't sure if they used these to replace some of the paper caps (so far I've only used those on existing ceramics). Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Chris: The small caps in one corner of your amp, all nestled around the volume control are the ones that are part of the loudness contour circuit in the amp. Look in your schematic--- These are the values entering/exiting the vol. control circuit. There should be only two different values there. The circuit is repeated--one for each amp channel. To answer a question you posed earlier, the small coupling-cap values used in these circuits are now sometimes replaced with equal value disc-shaped caps. They may not be the tubular shaped caps like the originals. This is what many of the "cap kit" vendors in the US are doing. Another caution is that the actual value of the cap may not be printed on the cap itself. There will be a coded value instead. This happens the most with small value caps. These codes can vary among cap manufacturers. Whoever sold you your cap kit should have included a printed table so that you can decipher the values of the caps. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Study online and boost your career with a Bachelor's Degree. Click for free info. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZIICgNbZBFV6SKv7rkRbAkgkctfskG06G8ppnu58UziR5NWehMMQ/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 15 21:21:32 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 15 21:25:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New Vinyl Message-ID: <20090616.002132.12962.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: RE: new vinyl LP's There are several small US and and two UK companies that are issuing short (authorized) production runs of audiophile-quality 12" 33 1/3 RPM albums. Most of these are re issues of older best-selling albums,but some are newer and current releases. Almost all of these are audiophile quality, pressed on 90, 180 or 200 gram vinyl. Two websites that have just about all the new records are : www.soundstagedirect.com and www.qualityrecordslavalink.com Rhino records, now a division of the Warner-Elektra-Atlantic record group is releasing new vinyl albums from WEA's catalog. They have their own web address. (sorry, dont have the info) Best Buy is supposedly devoting 8 sq ft in designated stores to vinyl record sales,as an experiment.They are picking one store location in principal US cities. The only new 45 RPM production I've heard about is the new pressing of many of the old Blue Note label singles featuring their jazz artists. The Collectables label still has a big catalog of re-issue rock/R & B/soul 45 rpm singles at their web store www.oldies.com Forgive me for being a cynic, but I'm old enough to remember in the 80's when the MSRP for a typical new vinyl album was $7.98. It then cost $16.99 to buy the album in the "new" CD format. Now, the newly-minted audiophile LP's cost about $18 for a single LP, $36 for a 2-record album. (remember, in going back to vinyl, you now have the playing-time constraint of about 22 min. per side). Just how many times, in how many formats, are music fans expected to buy a copy of "Sgt Peppers' Lonely Hearts Club Band" (or insert your favorite old LP title here)?? JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZaYIO4JMx2l95aROX2rJ2TaOIOM6UdGkQuznDbsQ8ALlsRuI/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 15 21:29:34 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 15 21:32:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out Message-ID: <20090616.002934.12962.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Chris: You may need to substitute the disc-style caps if/where the tubular style caps might not be available anymore. This should only need to be done for small capacitance values. There's no loss of performance making this change in audio circuits. Most of the companies that sell packaged cap kits attempt to keep the cap shapes similar to the originals and/or they will tag each cap with a marker number so you'll know where it's intended to go. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get Medical Insurance quotes and compare plans. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVvU20TUmv00ecA83Ql6aqUqsIrhOSKq1NleKvzOQyLwOsYBfKrT6/ From jay at west.net Mon Jun 15 21:44:00 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jun 15 21:45:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2600, sound fades out In-Reply-To: <0A90A21C058E46E6A532528236A06937@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <092361A0CBF64FC3B08AB66F1BDF48B9@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A355E3C.2000604@west.net><50B97A524F7643A3A04C8F6B92C8C16B@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A35A334.6040003@west.net><8C264FEF51EC4DE0A3C6F03B8A889475@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A35D9CC.3050804@west.net><8D669AFEF2E1424C8E853BCE6DA47467@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A369ABD.5080408@west.net> <0A90A21C058E46E6A532528236A06937@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4A372310.9000405@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > I looked again at the schematic and the ones you are referring to are > only 33.5V, much much smaller, and I see those ones buried in a corner > of the amp (actually there's 4 caps there, I can't see the labels on all > of them but assuming all the same). There are 4x .22uf 250V mylars (or > whatever the blue rectangular ones are) which I assumed were for these. 33.5 volts doesn't make sense as a working voltage. Can you post a link to a picture of the replacement capacitors? > The ones I am talking about are 400V and 1000V respectively, so I > figured the replacements would be rated the same. They should be. Using lower voltage rated capacitors is dangerous. > Btw, I checked the schematic and for checking voltages it said to use a > 1Khz tone for the audio input ("apply 10 millivolt at 1000cps") - is > there a reason for this tone ? isn't this the same one used with tv test > patterns? It's a standard audio test tone, often used with TV test patterns although some of them are 600 hertz. Example here: http://www.eminent-tech.com/music/1000hztone.wav As far as the smoking/bubbling... Test the diodes with an ohmmeter, lift one end. Should be open i one direction and show some continuity in the other. Exact value depends on your meter, some have a "diode test". Verify that the replacement capacitors on the three-section can are not installed backwards. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Jun 15 22:27:06 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Jun 15 22:28:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New Vinyl References: <20090616.002132.12962.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000601c9ee43$169d5900$509f4c09@ZURNT60> You can visit Best Buy on the web, click on music, select Vinyl, choose an album and then check for the nearest store carrying it in stock... If you are so inclined... Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: ; Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New Vinyl Gentlemen: RE: new vinyl LP's There are several small US and and two UK companies that are issuing short (authorized) production runs of audiophile-quality 12" 33 1/3 RPM albums. Most of these are re issues of older best-selling albums,but some are newer and current releases. Almost all of these are audiophile quality, pressed on 90, 180 or 200 gram vinyl. Two websites that have just about all the new records are : www.soundstagedirect.com and www.qualityrecordslavalink.com Rhino records, now a division of the Warner-Elektra-Atlantic record group is releasing new vinyl albums from WEA's catalog. They have their own web address. (sorry, dont have the info) Best Buy is supposedly devoting 8 sq ft in designated stores to vinyl record sales,as an experiment.They are picking one store location in principal US cities. The only new 45 RPM production I've heard about is the new pressing of many of the old Blue Note label singles featuring their jazz artists. The Collectables label still has a big catalog of re-issue rock/R & B/soul 45 rpm singles at their web store www.oldies.com Forgive me for being a cynic, but I'm old enough to remember in the 80's when the MSRP for a typical new vinyl album was $7.98. It then cost $16.99 to buy the album in the "new" CD format. Now, the newly-minted audiophile LP's cost about $18 for a single LP, $36 for a 2-record album. (remember, in going back to vinyl, you now have the playing-time constraint of about 22 min. per side). Just how many times, in how many formats, are music fans expected to buy a copy of "Sgt Peppers' Lonely Hearts Club Band" (or insert your favorite old LP title here)?? JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZaYIO4JMx2l95aROX2rJ2TaOIOM6UdGkQuznDbsQ8ALlsRuI/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinballrepair at paradise.net.nz Tue Jun 16 13:11:17 2009 From: pinballrepair at paradise.net.nz (Iain Jamieson) Date: Tue Jun 16 13:13:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer OMT CD dropping discs In-Reply-To: <20090616190003.BA869AA943@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090616190003.BA869AA943@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <4A37FC65.1070800@paradise.net.nz> Check if there is a gripper motor series resistor - you can slow the motor down with one of these if it is not installed. Normally the problem is the machine is too slow grabbing the record/cds... John :-#)# Thanks John, I have found by use of stopping the gripper motor at the time the CD gets clamped for removal from the basket that the problem is here. The CD is not getting secured by both of the white rollers, Most of the time it slides up into the second roller, where it is held firmly, but some times it doesn't and as it gets lifted up, it slips out. The manuals I have all show a different style of gripper arm with an adjustment on the gripper bow itself, where you can adjust the minimum position of the roller to the outer edge of the CD. Minimum 1mm clearance. This gripper arm has about 9mm clearance and I'm wondering if this is the problem, will have a look at the machine today to see if I can adjust that position somehow, or check the spring that closes the bottom gripper claw. Thanks, Iain From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jun 16 16:13:47 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jun 16 16:16:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: anyone talk with Vern Tisdale lately? Message-ID: <20090616.191347.18667.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Hello: Has anyone on the forum communicated with Vern or Miriam Tisdale within the last 2 to 3 weeks? I've sent them orders with no response, e-mails and phone messages go unreturned. There's no news on their website about being closed for vacation. The site looks like it was last edited 6/10. This isn't like them, they are usually prompt in following up. I know that they are an older couple, coping with some health issues. I hope that they are alright. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to shop and compare great deals on new vehicles. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRWWqZ22DDfoHuQ8WSkQaog1O6AeR8Cw5OLFnRFAXjnnStQ2r0M/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jun 16 16:28:23 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jun 16 16:30:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: anyone talk with Vern Tisdale lately? Message-ID: <215370.30565.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Today--They are fine--just been otherwise occupied for a few days---they will catch-up on orders soon-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 6/16/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: anyone talk with Vern Tisdale lately? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 4:13 PM Hello: Has anyone on the forum communicated with Vern or Miriam Tisdale within the last 2 to 3 weeks????I've sent them orders with no response, e-mails and phone messages go unreturned.? There's no news on their website about being closed for vacation.???The site looks like it was last edited 6/10.? ? This isn't like them, they are usually prompt in following up.???I know that they are an older couple, coping with some health issues.? ? I hope that they are alright. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to shop and compare great deals on new vehicles. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRWWqZ22DDfoHuQ8WSkQaog1O6AeR8Cw5OLFnRFAXjnnStQ2r0M/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From seancalla at eircom.net Tue Jun 16 15:55:46 2009 From: seancalla at eircom.net (Sean Callaghan) Date: Tue Jun 16 16:36:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 Message-ID: Hello I wonder can anyone help me to figure out a problem with the machine Recently the machine when it is turned on and in use or idling it causes a fuse to trip on the main house fuse box after a number of minutes I have noticed that the display of the three top hits get dim and then get brighter when the machine is on, I think but not fully sure that the numbers have changed in the display. Previously I think they were 110 120 and 130 now they are 100 101 and 111. The display of the top three hits indicate that the(1) minus 21 vdc is on,(2) 25vac display transformer primary, and 2.4 vac secondary filament voltages are on and the(3) 9.6 vdc for operating microprocessor circuits are on. All three lights on the face of the power supply board are on which indicate the presence of operating voltages(+32vdc,-21vdc,9.6vdc) In the manual the transformer has 4 secondary windings(1) 46vac-amplifier, (2)15vac,(3) 25vac-relay, motor circuits(4)25vac If I say any more I'll probably confuse ye Is it likely to be something to do with the transformer Just to mention also that the machine operates on 220vdc and there were no problems with mains wiring or power surges Thanks Sean From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jun 16 16:54:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jun 16 16:55:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 Message-ID: <711357.67761.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sean, The very first thing to do is check that the "main" or "line" fuse on the RockOla is the correct size and type for 220vac !? If it is, and it's not blowing, I would suspect that either there is a problem somewhere from the fuse--backward--thru the cord to the 'plug", or that there are other things on that (wall) fuse, and that the combination of equipment on that curcuit is to high. In any case, un plug the juke till you get it sorted out--? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Sean Callaghan wrote: From: Sean Callaghan Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 3:55 PM Hello I wonder can anyone help me to figure out a problem with the machine Recently the machine when it is turned on and in use or idling it causes a fuse to trip on the main house fuse box after a number of minutes I have noticed that the display of the three top hits get dim and then get brighter when the machine is on, I think but not fully sure that the numbers have changed in the display. Previously I think they were 110 120 and 130 now they are 100 101 and 111. The display of the top three hits indicate that the(1) minus 21 vdc is on,(2) 25vac display transformer primary, and 2.4 vac secondary filament voltages are on and the(3) 9.6 vdc for operating microprocessor circuits are on. All three lights on the face of the power supply board are on which indicate the presence of operating voltages(+32vdc,-21vdc,9.6vdc) In the manual the transformer has 4 secondary windings(1) 46vac-amplifier, (2)15vac,(3) 25vac-relay, motor circuits(4)25vac If I say any more I'll probably confuse ye Is it likely to be something to do with the transformer Just to mention also that the machine operates on 220vdc and there were no problems with mains wiring or power surges Thanks Sean _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Tue Jun 16 17:32:57 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Jun 16 17:34:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer OMT CD dropping discs In-Reply-To: <4A37FC65.1070800@paradise.net.nz> References: <20090616190003.BA869AA943@lists.netlojix.com> <4A37FC65.1070800@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A3839B9.3020709@telus.net> Iain Jamieson wrote: > > Check if there is a gripper motor series resistor - you can slow the > motor down with one of these if it is not installed. Normally the > problem is the machine is too slow grabbing the record/cds... > > John :-#)# > > Thanks John, I have found by use of stopping the gripper motor at the > time the CD gets clamped for removal from the basket that the problem > is here. The CD is not getting secured by both of the white rollers, > Most of the time it slides up into the second roller, where it is held > firmly, but some times it doesn't and as it gets lifted up, it slips > out. The manuals I have all show a different style of gripper arm with > an adjustment on the gripper bow itself, where you can adjust the > minimum position of the roller to the outer edge of the CD. Minimum > 1mm clearance. This gripper arm has about 9mm clearance and I'm > wondering if this is the problem, will have a look at the machine > today to see if I can adjust that position somehow, or check the > spring that closes the bottom gripper claw. > > Thanks, Iain > Hi Iain, OK, if it is dropping records before they get back to the basket make sure the white plastic gripper claw is in good condition. I have seen them crack or split. Remove the small metal cover (if present) and check it visually. I carry them in stock. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jun 16 20:45:34 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jun 16 20:48:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: anyone talk with Vern Tisdale lately? Message-ID: <20090616.234534.10819.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Hi Ron: Glad to hear everyone's OK. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ3428sSzCuvtOMRcIk8clEqkQ7jxvU58ItZ9bsmEEwcBM4cORmS0/ From rellis2007 at aol.com Wed Jun 17 05:00:38 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 17 05:10:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBBD5A5D662BD2-498-2D20@FWM-M25.sysops.aol.com> Frist thing I would do is check to see how many amps it is drawing at the plug, You say it blows the house fuse? if so that should be a double breaker, that is triping. I would do a front to back check on the rectifiers the check or better yet replace the main filter condenser Just wondering why are You running this machine on 220 voltes? doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Sean Callaghan To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:55 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 Hello I wonder can anyone help me to figure out a problem with the machine Recently the machine when it is turned on and in use or idling it causes a fuse to trip on the main house fuse box after a number of minutes I have noticed that the display of the three top hits get dim and then get brighter when the machine is on, I think but not fully sure that the numbers have changed in the display. Previously I think they were 110 120 and 130 now they are 100 101 and 111. The display of the top three hits indicate that the(1) minus 21 vdc is on,(2) 25vac display transformer primary, and 2.4 vac secondary filament voltages are on and the(3) 9.6 vdc for operating microprocessor circuits are on. All three lights on the face of the power supply board are on which indicate the presence of operating voltages(+32vdc,-21vdc,9.6vdc) In the manual the transformer has 4 secondary windings(1) 46vac-amplifier, (2)15vac,(3) 25vac-relay, motor circuits(4)25vac If I say any more I'll probably confuse ye Is it likely to be something to do with the transformer Just to mention also that the machine operates on 220vdc and there were no problems with mains wiring or power surges Thanks Sean _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jun 17 11:42:21 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jun 17 11:44:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB Message-ID: <25845.58933.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Ayeone have any CDM PRO players that they want to sell?? If so, please contact me at ronnnrich@yahoo.com?? TIA? Ron Rich From ccos at knology.net Wed Jun 17 11:53:00 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Columbus Coin-Op Shop) Date: Wed Jun 17 11:54:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Pro Players Needed In-Reply-To: <25845.58933.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <25845.58933.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005b01c9ef7c$d65ea5c0$831bf140$@net> Ron, how many do you need? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:42 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB Hi All, Ayeone have any CDM PRO players that they want to sell?? If so, please contact me at ronnnrich@yahoo.com?? TIA? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinballrepair at paradise.net.nz Wed Jun 17 12:49:36 2009 From: pinballrepair at paradise.net.nz (Iain Jamieson) Date: Wed Jun 17 12:51:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer OMT CD dropping discs In-Reply-To: <20090617190003.ED740AAF74@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090617190003.ED740AAF74@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <4A3948D0.2080503@paradise.net.nz> Hi John, Think I've found the culprit. The first white roller wheel on the gripper bow was slightly gummed up and not free turning. This was causing the discs to slowly ride up to the second roller wheel. Sometimes not quick enough and the disc would fall when turning over to lay flat. Am I correct in saying there is no "at rest" position adjustment for this type of one piece gripper bow. Looks like it stops up against a non adjustable stopper thats part of one of the switch brackets. Cheers Iain > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:32:57 -0700 > From: John Robertson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer OMT CD dropping discs > To: Jukebox mailing list > Message-ID: <4A3839B9.3020709@telus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Iain Jamieson wrote: > >> Check if there is a gripper motor series resistor - you can slow the >> motor down with one of these if it is not installed. Normally the >> problem is the machine is too slow grabbing the record/cds... >> >> John :-#)# >> >> Thanks John, I have found by use of stopping the gripper motor at the >> time the CD gets clamped for removal from the basket that the problem >> is here. The CD is not getting secured by both of the white rollers, >> Most of the time it slides up into the second roller, where it is held >> firmly, but some times it doesn't and as it gets lifted up, it slips >> out. The manuals I have all show a different style of gripper arm with >> an adjustment on the gripper bow itself, where you can adjust the >> minimum position of the roller to the outer edge of the CD. Minimum >> 1mm clearance. This gripper arm has about 9mm clearance and I'm >> wondering if this is the problem, will have a look at the machine >> today to see if I can adjust that position somehow, or check the >> spring that closes the bottom gripper claw. >> >> Thanks, Iain >> >> > Hi Iain, > > OK, if it is dropping records before they get back to the basket make > sure the white plastic gripper claw is in good condition. I have seen > them crack or split. Remove the small metal cover (if present) and check > it visually. I carry them in stock. > > John :-#)# > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.374 / Virus Database: 270.12.75/2182 - Release Date: 06/16/09 21:23:00 > > From seancalla at eircom.net Wed Jun 17 15:39:29 2009 From: seancalla at eircom.net (Sean Callaghan) Date: Wed Jun 17 15:41:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 In-Reply-To: <711357.67761.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron Just to clarify, I am living in Ireland and the voltage is 240vac, the main fuse line is ok,tonight the jukebox operated ok, the display of the top three hits has now corrected itself and back to 100 120 and 130 which according to the manual indicates that the voltages I mentioned are ok, the display itself is still alternating between dim and bright. Haven't yet had time to check the chord or socket(sort of job you need to do with no kids about)Haven't had a problem with the power in this location or with other things operating on the sockets. Has it anything to do with the power distribution box or transformer. Thanks Sean Doc Ellis Frist thing I would do is check to see how many amps it is drawing at the plug, You say it blows the house fuse? if so that should be a double breaker, that is triping. I would do a front to back check on the rectifiers the check or better yet replace the main filter condenser Just wondering why are You running this machine on 220 voltes? Sorry I should have said it is a RCD that trips and I live in Ireland and operate at 240vac,Just a few questions what rectifers in particular and what is the main filter condenser, giving away my lack of know how now Thanks Sean -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 17 June 2009 00:54 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 Sean, The very first thing to do is check that the "main" or "line" fuse on the RockOla is the correct size and type for 220vac !? If it is, and it's not blowing, I would suspect that either there is a problem somewhere from the fuse--backward--thru the cord to the 'plug", or that there are other things on that (wall) fuse, and that the combination of equipment on that curcuit is to high. In any case, un plug the juke till you get it sorted out--? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Sean Callaghan wrote: From: Sean Callaghan Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 3:55 PM Hello I wonder can anyone help me to figure out a problem with the machine Recently the machine when it is turned on and in use or idling it causes a fuse to trip on the main house fuse box after a number of minutes I have noticed that the display of the three top hits get dim and then get brighter when the machine is on, I think but not fully sure that the numbers have changed in the display. Previously I think they were 110 120 and 130 now they are 100 101 and 111. The display of the top three hits indicate that the(1) minus 21 vdc is on,(2) 25vac display transformer primary, and 2.4 vac secondary filament voltages are on and the(3) 9.6 vdc for operating microprocessor circuits are on. All three lights on the face of the power supply board are on which indicate the presence of operating voltages(+32vdc,-21vdc,9.6vdc) In the manual the transformer has 4 secondary windings(1) 46vac-amplifier, (2)15vac,(3) 25vac-relay, motor circuits(4)25vac If I say any more I'll probably confuse ye Is it likely to be something to do with the transformer Just to mention also that the machine operates on 220vdc and there were no problems with mains wiring or power surges Thanks Sean _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.73/2180 - Release Date: 06/16/09 07:41:00 From goldenflash60 at aol.com Wed Jun 17 16:29:43 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 17 16:31:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] need info on nsm hit 120E Message-ID: <8CBBDBAA0E8A5DC-1468-5F4@FWM-D04.sysops.aol.com> i have a hit 120E that i am trying to fix.? there seems to be a problem with the credit and control unit.? i am trying to find out the standard settings for the pins in the credit and control box.? i know that there are a million settings but i just need the basic ones to double check what i have.? if anyone has one that could shoot me a picture of yours i would appreciate it.? also, if anyone knows any common electrical problems with this jukebox it might help me out.? only one of the LED s on the main board was lighting up until i found a problem with one f my amps.? the display on the front of the jukebox lit up for a few seconds then went dim.? i replaced the amp and both lights lit up on the main board but now the display? doesnt work at all...? NSM's ...gotta love them!?? Thanks, Tom From digiovanni13 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 17 16:55:38 2009 From: digiovanni13 at yahoo.com (S.R. Boland) Date: Wed Jun 17 17:03:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New Vinyl Message-ID: <364178.94224.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> There is a lot of cool new vinyl on 45 rpm available through Norton Records (a lot of rare, reissued stuff that would be right up the alleys of many members of this list). Likewise, Munster/VampiSoul Records out of Spain. S.R. "Boris" Boland --- On Tue, 6/16/09, James Alexander wrote: > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New Vinyl > To: s.cummings4738@att.net, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 12:21 AM > > Gentlemen: > RE:? new vinyl LP's > There are several small US and and two UK companies that > are issuing short (authorized) production runs of > audiophile-quality 12"? 33 1/3 RPM albums.? ? > Most of these are re issues of older best-selling > albums,but? some are newer and current > releases.???Almost all of these are > audiophile quality, pressed on 90, 180 or 200 gram vinyl. > Two websites that have just about all the new records are > :? www.soundstagedirect.com???and > www.qualityrecordslavalink.com? ? > ???Rhino records, now a division of the > Warner-Elektra-Atlantic record group is releasing new vinyl > albums from WEA's catalog.? They have their own web > address.? (sorry, dont have the info) > Best Buy is supposedly devoting 8 sq ft in designated > stores to vinyl record sales,as an experiment.They are > picking one store location in principal US cities.? > The only new 45 RPM production I've heard about? is > the new pressing of many of the old Blue Note label singles > featuring their jazz artists.? ? ? The > Collectables label still has a big catalog of re-issue > rock/R & B/soul? 45 rpm singles at their web > store? www.oldies.com? > Forgive me for being a cynic, but I'm old enough to > remember in the 80's when the MSRP for a typical new vinyl > album was $7.98.? ???It then cost $16.99 > to buy the album in the "new" CD > format.???Now, the newly-minted audiophile > LP's cost about $18 for a single LP, $36 for a 2-record > album.? (remember, in going back to vinyl, you now have > the playing-time constraint of about 22 min. per > side).? Just how many times, in how many formats, are > music fans expected to buy? a copy of "Sgt Peppers' > Lonely Hearts Club Band" (or insert your favorite old LP > title here)?? > JIm Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZaYIO4JMx2l95aROX2rJ2TaOIOM6UdGkQuznDbsQ8ALlsRuI/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From webmaster at guestwho.com Wed Jun 17 19:11:34 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Wed Jun 17 19:13:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 543 Amp - wire gauge? Message-ID: <554DB23897C94EAF960B7AE34A4377F9@CHRISLAPTOP> Hi all, What is the heaver wire gauge used in this amp ? I have a bunch of 20 gauge stranded laying about, but the stuff used in the amp is heavier, so I've been saving every last piece to re-use. I'm guessing 18 or maybe 16 AWG ? What's the practical upper limit on wire size for electronics work ? (ie. how thick before I run into problems bending it, and not being able to fit it through the hole on the terminals?) Also the wiring in the amp is all aluminium not copper - was this a quality or a cost issue back in the 60s ? Other than some fading on the insulation, it's held up remarkably well - no cracking, burning, flaking.. and when I strip the ends it looks like new. I still want to replace some sections though. Chris From pinball at telus.net Wed Jun 17 20:01:06 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Jun 17 20:02:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 543 Amp - wire gauge? In-Reply-To: <554DB23897C94EAF960B7AE34A4377F9@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <554DB23897C94EAF960B7AE34A4377F9@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4A39ADF2.3020100@telus.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > > Hi all, > > What is the heaver wire gauge used in this amp ? I have a bunch of 20 > gauge > stranded laying about, but the stuff used in the amp is heavier, so I've > been saving every last piece to re-use. I'm guessing 18 or maybe 16 AWG ? > > What's the practical upper limit on wire size for electronics work ? (ie. > how thick before I run into problems bending it, and not being able to > fit > it through the hole on the terminals?) > > Also the wiring in the amp is all aluminium not copper - was this a > quality > or a cost issue back in the 60s ? Other than some fading on the > insulation, > it's held up remarkably well - no cracking, burning, flaking.. and when I > strip the ends it looks like new. I still want to replace some sections > though. > > Chris The wire is NOT aluminum (you can't solder aluminum!), it is tinned copper at best, probably 18 or 16 gauge wire. Why replace the wire if it is not damaged? I see nothing but grief here... Copper wire is good as long as the insulation is not brittle. At this time our shop only replaces 50's and some 60s AMI power cords, Seeburg power cords, and Wurlitzer power cords. The internal wiring (except 115VAC wiring in 50's and 60s AMI/ROWE machines) is usually just fine. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jun 17 21:43:58 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jun 17 21:45:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 Message-ID: <564519.77387.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sean, Just guessing from what you say--It sounds as if there is a poor connection somewhere. Could be an internal plug not making well, or as I think I recall, Rock Ola used some large green ( or Gn/yel) jumpers for grounds ( or earth), on that model. Check that the connections are clean and tight. I have seen the ground straps build up "gunk" at the screw terminal (s). Ron Rich --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Sean Callaghan wrote: From: Sean Callaghan Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 3:39 PM Ron Just to clarify, I am living in Ireland and the voltage is 240vac, the main fuse line is ok,tonight the jukebox operated ok,? the display of the top three hits has now corrected itself and back to 100 120 and 130 which according to the manual indicates that the voltages I mentioned are ok, the display itself is still alternating between dim and bright. Haven't yet had time to check the chord or socket(sort of job you need to do with no kids about)Haven't had a problem with the power in this location or with other things operating on the sockets. Has it anything to do with the power distribution box or transformer. Thanks Sean Doc Ellis Frist thing I would do is check to see how many amps it is drawing at the plug, You say it blows the house fuse? if so that should be a double breaker, that is triping. I would do a front to back check on the rectifiers the check or better yet replace the main filter condenser Just wondering why are You running this machine on 220 voltes? Sorry I should have said it is a RCD that trips and I live in Ireland and operate at 240vac,Just a few questions what rectifers in particular and what is the main filter condenser, giving away my lack of know how now Thanks Sean -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 17 June 2009 00:54 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 Sean, The very first thing to do is check that the "main" or "line" fuse on the RockOla is the correct size and type for 220vac !? If it is, and it's not blowing, I would suspect that either there is a problem somewhere from the fuse--backward--thru the cord to the 'plug", or that there are other things on that (wall) fuse, and that the combination of equipment on that curcuit is to high. In any case, un plug the juke till you get it sorted out--? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Sean Callaghan wrote: From: Sean Callaghan Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 3:55 PM Hello I wonder can anyone help me to figure out a problem with the machine Recently the machine when it is turned on and in use or idling it causes a fuse to trip on the main house fuse box after a number of minutes I have noticed that the display of the three top hits get dim and then get brighter when the machine is on, I think but not fully sure that the numbers have changed in the display. Previously I think they were 110 120 and 130 now they are 100 101 and 111. The display of the top three hits indicate that the(1) minus 21 vdc is on,(2) 25vac display transformer primary, and 2.4 vac secondary filament voltages are on and the(3) 9.6 vdc for operating microprocessor circuits are on. All three lights on the face of the power supply board are on which indicate the presence of operating voltages(+32vdc,-21vdc,9.6vdc) In the manual the transformer has 4 secondary windings(1) 46vac-amplifier, (2)15vac,(3) 25vac-relay, motor circuits(4)25vac If I say any more I'll probably confuse ye Is it likely to be something to do with the transformer Just to mention also that the machine operates on 220vdc and there were no problems with mains wiring or power surges Thanks Sean _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.73/2180 - Release Date: 06/16/09 07:41:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Jun 17 21:44:06 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Jun 17 21:45:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 543 Amp - wire gauge? In-Reply-To: <554DB23897C94EAF960B7AE34A4377F9@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <554DB23897C94EAF960B7AE34A4377F9@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4A39C616.6030800@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > Hi all, > > What is the heaver wire gauge used in this amp ? I have a bunch of 20 gauge > stranded laying about, but the stuff used in the amp is heavier, so I've > been saving every last piece to re-use. I'm guessing 18 or maybe 16 AWG ? Most of the wiring from the PC board and on the chassis is 20 or 22 gauge. The larger stuff is 18. > What's the practical upper limit on wire size for electronics work ? (ie. > how thick before I run into problems bending it, and not being able to fit > it through the hole on the terminals?) There isn't any advantage in this case going too big. Current through the wire is relatively low and the loss in a foot or two of wire is minimal. I'd use 20 gauge. > Also the wiring in the amp is all aluminium not copper - was this a quality > or a cost issue back in the 60s ? Other than some fading on the insulation, > it's held up remarkably well - no cracking, burning, flaking.. and when I > strip the ends it looks like new. I still want to replace some sections > though. That isn't aluminum. It's tinned copper. It's copper wire with a thin plating of tin or solder. This is fairly common hook-up wire. If it were aluminum you would have a hard time soldering it with conventional tools. Why do you want to replace it? If the insulation is pliable and not flaking, it isn't going to be a problem. You'll know bad wire when you work on an AMI see the zip-cord internal wiring flaking apart when you breathe on it. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Thu Jun 18 14:36:57 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Jun 18 14:38:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Admin: Disk failure Message-ID: <4A3AB379.7050604@west.net> We had a disk failure in the server hosting the list which resulted in mail delays. Some who submitted mail over the past few hours may have received a message that the mail was being delayed. Everything is back up now. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronsjukebox at yahoo.com Thu Jun 18 11:42:46 2009 From: ronsjukebox at yahoo.com (ron jukebox) Date: Thu Jun 18 14:45:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] cdm pro 2 repair Message-ID: <504696.5844.qm@web43511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello, ? Who do you use for CD PRO 2 repairs???Mine is skipping in my Roclola Fireball CD jukebox, 2003 vintage. ? I have found A&B Jukebox (which I have seen recommended here prior) http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/catalog.aspx?Merchant=abjukeboxrepair&DeptID=200613? and have also found PINVAN http://www.pinvan.com/CDMPRO/cdservice.html?.? ? Their prices are not too dissimilar but am hoping for some recommendations based upon actual experiences.?? Your input would be most appreciated. I don't think there is anyone local here in Pittsburgh, Pa. that can do this service. ? Thanks in advance, Ron From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jun 18 15:18:51 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jun 18 15:20:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] cdm pro 2 repair Message-ID: <975167.87395.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ron, I do my own--however I just checked on the parts prices, and they have gone WAY uPP-- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 6/18/09, ron jukebox wrote: From: ron jukebox Subject: [Jukebox-list] cdm pro 2 repair To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 11:42 AM Hello, ? Who do you use for CD PRO 2 repairs???Mine is skipping in my Roclola Fireball CD jukebox, 2003 vintage. ? I have found A&B Jukebox (which I have seen recommended here prior) http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/catalog.aspx?Merchant=abjukeboxrepair&DeptID=200613? and have also found PINVAN http://www.pinvan.com/CDMPRO/cdservice.html?.? ? Their prices are not too dissimilar but am hoping for some recommendations based upon actual experiences.?? Your input would be most appreciated. I don't think there is anyone local here in Pittsburgh, Pa. that can do this service. ? Thanks in advance, Ron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 14:58:51 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Thu Jun 18 15:21:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] cdm pro 2 repair In-Reply-To: <504696.5844.qm@web43511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <504696.5844.qm@web43511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've never used used pinvan for any repair, but have always had nothing but praise for AB jukebox repair. Thomas On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:42 PM, ron jukebox wrote: > Hello, > > Who do you use for CD PRO 2 repairs? Mine is skipping in my Roclola > Fireball CD jukebox, 2003 vintage. > > I have found A&B Jukebox (which I have seen recommended here prior) > http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/catalog.aspx?Merchant=abjukeboxrepair&DeptID=200613 > and have also found PINVAN http://www.pinvan.com/CDMPRO/cdservice.html . > > Their prices are not too dissimilar but am hoping for some recommendations > based upon actual experiences. Your input would be most appreciated. I > don't think there is anyone local here in Pittsburgh, Pa. that can do this > service. > > Thanks in advance, > Ron > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From mmarsh16 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 18 15:43:52 2009 From: mmarsh16 at hotmail.com (Mike Marsh) Date: Thu Jun 18 15:51:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question Message-ID: Hi, I have an NSM City IV (45 version)that seems to be in relatively good shape, but the other day while playing it, the Right Channel stopped working (both upper & lower speakers). Does that sound like the Amp went out, or how should I go about Troubleshooting the probable cause. I'm new to this so excuse my lack of info. Thanks, Mike _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From gpatter4 at windstream.net Thu Jun 18 06:52:52 2009 From: gpatter4 at windstream.net (gpatter4@windstream.net) Date: Thu Jun 18 16:24:07 2009 Subject: Fwd: [Jukebox-list] RE: Pro Players Needed Message-ID: <20090618085252.61KNH.543613.root@ispmxfep13-z01> Would you have a backglass for a Chicago Coing "Gold Record?" Mine is in really bad shape. Or could you suggest anyone that may have one? Thank you, Gary From: "Columbus Coin-Op Shop" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:53:00 -0400 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Pro Players Needed Ron, how many do you need? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:42 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB Hi All, Ayeone have any CDM PRO players that they want to sell?? If so, please contact me at ronnnrich@yahoo.com?? TIA? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Jun 18 05:47:42 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Jun 18 17:07:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New Vinyl question References: <364178.94224.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I was just wondering if the new vinyl, including the 33LP's were pressed from the Analog recording or do they clean them up (? some may think they need it) with digital recordings? Hope I asked this question correctly, lol Jackie Dancin' Out ----- Original Message ----- From: "S.R. Boland" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New Vinyl There is a lot of cool new vinyl on 45 rpm available through Norton Records (a lot of rare, reissued stuff that would be right up the alleys of many members of this list). Likewise, Munster/VampiSoul Records out of Spain. S.R. "Boris" Boland --- On Tue, 6/16/09, James Alexander wrote: > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New Vinyl > To: s.cummings4738@att.net, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 12:21 AM > > Gentlemen: > RE: new vinyl LP's > There are several small US and and two UK companies that > are issuing short (authorized) production runs of > audiophile-quality 12" 33 1/3 RPM albums. > Most of these are re issues of older best-selling > albums,but some are newer and current > releases. Almost all of these are > audiophile quality, pressed on 90, 180 or 200 gram vinyl. > Two websites that have just about all the new records are > : www.soundstagedirect.com and > www.qualityrecordslavalink.com > Rhino records, now a division of the > Warner-Elektra-Atlantic record group is releasing new vinyl > albums from WEA's catalog. They have their own web > address. (sorry, dont have the info) > Best Buy is supposedly devoting 8 sq ft in designated > stores to vinyl record sales,as an experiment.They are > picking one store location in principal US cities. > The only new 45 RPM production I've heard about is > the new pressing of many of the old Blue Note label singles > featuring their jazz artists. The > Collectables label still has a big catalog of re-issue > rock/R & B/soul 45 rpm singles at their web > store www.oldies.com > Forgive me for being a cynic, but I'm old enough to > remember in the 80's when the MSRP for a typical new vinyl > album was $7.98. It then cost $16.99 > to buy the album in the "new" CD > format. Now, the newly-minted audiophile > LP's cost about $18 for a single LP, $36 for a 2-record > album. (remember, in going back to vinyl, you now have > the playing-time constraint of about 22 min. per > side). Just how many times, in how many formats, are > music fans expected to buy a copy of "Sgt Peppers' > Lonely Hearts Club Band" (or insert your favorite old LP > title here)?? > JIm Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZaYIO4JMx2l95aROX2rJ2TaOIOM6UdGkQuznDbsQ8ALlsRuI/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Jun 18 18:48:25 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Jun 18 18:50:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play AMi G200 Message-ID: <004e01c9f080$09cf7200$1d6e5600$@net> Since I don't have credit accumulator to jump to freeplay, I created a switch. I used a momentary switch that terminated to micro alligator clips. I secured the button in the return cup and jumped the dime paddle. A quick press on the button...1 credit. What I now realize, is that when I drop a dime in, it does not register. I assume that is because I am holding the circuit open until the button is pressed. Without over engineering it, is there a better way to do this, aside from removing the clips, so when I drop a dime in, I get a credit. Thanks again. Rich From rellis2007 at aol.com Fri Jun 19 05:03:03 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 19 05:05:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBBEED082C795E-143C-1A05@Webmail-mg18.sim.aol.com> could be almost any thing, make sure if their are any molox connectors make sure?they are pluged in all the way, make sure the stereo pot may just have a bad spot. with the machine off un plug all boards and plug them back in only on the left side out put. if that doesn't help I would start to think out put transistor or some were around it like bad solder joint, bad preamp, do You have a good schematic?Most jukes I work on give little info on the schematics. good luck and hope this helps. doc ellis ps even check the cartridge some times one side can go bad. maybe by switching wires on it. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Marsh To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:43 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question i, I have an NSM City IV (45 version)that seems to be in relatively good shape, ut the other day while playing it, the Right Channel stopped working (both pper & lower speakers). Does that sound like the Amp went out, or how should I o about Troubleshooting the probable cause. I'm new to this so excuse my lack f info. Thanks, Mike _________________________________________________________________ nsert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. ttp://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mmarsh16 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 19 09:23:49 2009 From: mmarsh16 at hotmail.com (Mike Marsh) Date: Fri Jun 19 09:25:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question In-Reply-To: <8CBBEED082C795E-143C-1A05@Webmail-mg18.sim.aol.com> References: <8CBBEED082C795E-143C-1A05@Webmail-mg18.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Doc. I appreciate the help, but I don't have a good schematic. I'll try searching the Internet, but if you know where I can get one or an NSM manual, I'd appreciate the help. Thanks, Mike > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:03:03 -0400 > From: rellis2007@aol.com > > could be almost any thing, make sure if their are any molox connectors make sure they are pluged in all the way, make sure the stereo pot may just have a bad spot. with the machine off un plug all boards and plug them back in only on the left side out put. if that doesn't help I would start to think out put transistor or some were around it like bad solder joint, bad preamp, do You have a good schematic?Most jukes I work on give little info on the schematics. > > good luck and hope this helps. > > doc ellis > ps even check the cartridge some times one side can go bad. maybe by switching wires on it. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Marsh > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:43 pm > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question > > > > > i, > I have an NSM City IV (45 version)that seems to be in relatively good shape, > ut the other day while playing it, the Right Channel stopped working (both > pper & lower speakers). Does that sound like the Amp went out, or how should I > o about Troubleshooting the probable cause. I'm new to this so excuse my lack > f info. > > Thanks, > Mike > _________________________________________________________________ > nsert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. > ttp://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing? now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 From coonjerkins at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 10:06:51 2009 From: coonjerkins at gmail.com (JE) Date: Fri Jun 19 10:08:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) Message-ID: <803330400906191006k48b3ab7aoe1c4086a6dcc5f5f@mail.gmail.com> Hello again. More beginner questions from a novice. This stuff is hard to find info on! I have a couple of general questions about the wiring for the tone arm on my Wurlitzer 600. The amp was from a W500, and it had a pre-amp with the tone arm cable plugged into it with a RCA jack. I had the amp rebuilt and the preamp is now gone. My first question would be should I keep the cartridge that is already installed, or use a newer conversion kit i bought? Here is a picture of the existing cartridge, All I know is that it's an Astatic model. http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3783/dscn0105f.jpg The conversion kit I bought, came with a Pfanstiehl P51-2 cartridge. Other than the needle being smaller, I don't know what would be better to use. I could use your opinions on that. The astatic cartridge would have been installed around 1982, and to my knowledge, has never had the needle changed. If I replace the astatic cartridge with the P51-2, would I need to adjust anything since the original cartridge has already been replaced? I guess I'm talking about weight here. Any other problems I can expect? The original wire is confusing to me too. It's a braided (shielded?) metal cable with only one wire inside. Can that be right? In the picture, it looks like the wire goes to one lead and the cable jacket goes to the other. I haven't taken a close look at it obviously :) There has to be another wire right? The kit came with new wire and an AC plug for the volume control box. Remember, I don't know anything about this stuff, so I apologize, if my questions are pretty silly. thanks for the help! Jon From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Jun 19 10:55:36 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Jun 19 11:02:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) In-Reply-To: <803330400906191006k48b3ab7aoe1c4086a6dcc5f5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <803330400906191006k48b3ab7aoe1c4086a6dcc5f5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Glad you had the amp rebuilt. Are you getting sound out of it now? In looking at the picture you attached, to me this seems like an old crystal cartridge. It's still using a steel needle which will be hard on your records (I noticed the original weights also in the picture). I would higly recommend you use the 51-2 cartridge in place of this one. Re the wiring: there are two: the insulated one inside, and the braided flex on the outside. The replacement wiring will have a plastic cover, but still be braided the same way inside. If the original wire is still flexible, and has no electrical faults, I would continue to use it. The original tonearm wiring had an a/c plug on the end to insert into the volume control box. If you get a hum, reverse the plug in the socket. Yes, if you change the cartridge, you'll have to adjust the weight. The new one will likely be lighter in weight. You should be tracking around 10 grams. There are gram gauges available to check accurately. Play with the balance between the tonearm head and the back. I often use something heavy like a piece of solder to lighten the tracking. Did you have the volume control box rebuilt also, and changed to accept a modern cartridge? It won't work very well at all if this is not done (but then, maybe the last person did this when then put in the Astatic) Good luck, let us know how it goes. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of JE Sent: 2009, June, 19 1:07 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) Hello again. More beginner questions from a novice. This stuff is hard to find info on! I have a couple of general questions about the wiring for the tone arm on my Wurlitzer 600. The amp was from a W500, and it had a pre-amp with the tone arm cable plugged into it with a RCA jack. I had the amp rebuilt and the preamp is now gone. My first question would be should I keep the cartridge that is already installed, or use a newer conversion kit i bought? Here is a picture of the existing cartridge, All I know is that it's an Astatic model. http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3783/dscn0105f.jpg The conversion kit I bought, came with a Pfanstiehl P51-2 cartridge. Other than the needle being smaller, I don't know what would be better to use. I could use your opinions on that. The astatic cartridge would have been installed around 1982, and to my knowledge, has never had the needle changed. If I replace the astatic cartridge with the P51-2, would I need to adjust anything since the original cartridge has already been replaced? I guess I'm talking about weight here. Any other problems I can expect? The original wire is confusing to me too. It's a braided (shielded?) metal cable with only one wire inside. Can that be right? In the picture, it looks like the wire goes to one lead and the cable jacket goes to the other. I haven't taken a close look at it obviously :) There has to be another wire right? The kit came with new wire and an AC plug for the volume control box. Remember, I don't know anything about this stuff, so I apologize, if my questions are pretty silly. thanks for the help! Jon _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From coonjerkins at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 11:32:24 2009 From: coonjerkins at gmail.com (JE) Date: Fri Jun 19 11:34:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) In-Reply-To: References: <803330400906191006k48b3ab7aoe1c4086a6dcc5f5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <803330400906191132q504af360q56e040a033c97ede@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mike, I just got the amp back 2 days ago, so I haven't tried anything yet. I wanted to make sure I was doing everything right first. I'll check the original cable out. There was no a/c plug, since it was originally going into the preamp with a RCA jack. I'm glad I checked about the wire, I couldn't find any info about it. Yes, the volume control box was sent in with amp and was reworked with the assumption I would use a newer cartridge. I guess I just wasn't sure if the astatic cartridge already installed was good enough. thanks for the help! Jon On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Glad you had the amp rebuilt. Are you getting sound out of it now? > > In looking at the picture you attached, to me this seems like an old > crystal cartridge. It's still using a steel needle which will be hard on > your records (I noticed the original weights also in the picture). > > I would higly recommend you use the 51-2 cartridge in place of this one. > > > Re the wiring: there are two: the insulated one inside, and the braided > flex on the outside. The replacement wiring will have a plastic cover, > but still be braided the same way inside. If the original wire is still > flexible, and has no electrical faults, I would continue to use it. > The original tonearm wiring had an a/c plug on the end to insert into > the volume control box. If you get a hum, reverse the plug in the > socket. > > Yes, if you change the cartridge, you'll have to adjust the weight. The > new one will likely be lighter in weight. You should be tracking around > 10 grams. There are gram gauges available to check accurately. Play with > the balance between the tonearm head and the back. I often use something > heavy like a piece of solder to lighten the tracking. > > Did you have the volume control box rebuilt also, and changed to accept > a modern cartridge? It won't work very well at all if this is not done > (but then, maybe the last person did this when then put in the Astatic) > > Good luck, let us know how it goes. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of JE > Sent: 2009, June, 19 1:07 PM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) > > Hello again. > More beginner questions from a novice. This stuff is hard to find info > on! > > I have a couple of general questions about the wiring for the tone arm > on my Wurlitzer 600. > The amp was from a W500, and it had a pre-amp with the tone arm cable > plugged into it with a RCA jack. I had the amp rebuilt and the preamp > is now gone. > > My first question would be should I keep the cartridge that is already > installed, or use a newer conversion kit i bought? > > Here is a picture of the existing cartridge, All I know is that it's an > Astatic model. > http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3783/dscn0105f.jpg > > The conversion kit I bought, came with a Pfanstiehl P51-2 cartridge. > Other than the needle being smaller, I don't know what would be better > to use. > I could use your opinions on that. The astatic cartridge would have been > installed around 1982, and to my knowledge, has never had the needle > changed. > > If I replace the astatic cartridge with the P51-2, would I need to > adjust anything since the original cartridge has already been replaced? > I guess I'm talking about weight here. > Any other problems I can expect? > > The original wire is confusing to me too. It's a braided (shielded?) > metal cable with only one wire inside. Can that be right? In the > picture, it looks like the wire goes to one lead > and the cable jacket goes to the other. I haven't taken a close look > at it > obviously :) > There has to be another wire right? > The kit came with new wire and an AC plug for the volume control box. > > Remember, I don't know anything about this stuff, so I apologize, if my > questions are pretty silly. > > thanks for the help! > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not > waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or > otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne > renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements > qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) > d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser > imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From rellis2007 at aol.com Fri Jun 19 11:52:48 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 19 12:00:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question In-Reply-To: References: <8CBBEED082C795E-143C-1A05@Webmail-mg18.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBBF264615FEFE-EDC-E6D@WEBMAIL-MC02.sysops.aol.com> Mike I understand You are over seas, that would explain the 220 volts, I can give You the phone number for NSM in the USA, that number is 1-630-279-2244? ask for Tony Lentz He is the man for the 45 juke boxes. hope this helps. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Mike Marsh To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Jun 19, 2009 11:23 am Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question hanks Doc. I appreciate the help, but I don't have a good schematic. I'll try earching the Internet, but if you know where I can get one or an NSM manual, 'd appreciate the help. Thanks, Mike To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:03:03 -0400 From: rellis2007@aol.com could be almost any thing, make sure if their are any molox connectors make ure they are pluged in all the way, make sure the stereo pot may just have a ad spot. with the machine off un plug all boards and plug them back in only on he left side out put. if that doesn't help I would start to think out put ransistor or some were around it like bad solder joint, bad preamp, do You have good schematic?Most jukes I work on give little info on the schematics. good luck and hope this helps. doc ellis ps even check the cartridge some times one side can go bad. maybe by switching ires on it. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Marsh To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:43 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question i, I have an NSM City IV (45 version)that seems to be in relatively good shape, ut the other day while playing it, the Right Channel stopped working (both pper & lower speakers). Does that sound like the Amp went out, or how should I > o about Troubleshooting the probable cause. I'm new to this so excuse my lack f info. Thanks, Mike _________________________________________________________________ nsert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. ttp://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ icrosoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing? now ttp://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try ing_1x1_______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mmarsh16 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 19 12:07:46 2009 From: mmarsh16 at hotmail.com (Mike Marsh) Date: Fri Jun 19 12:09:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question In-Reply-To: <8CBBF264615FEFE-EDC-E6D@WEBMAIL-MC02.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBBEED082C795E-143C-1A05@Webmail-mg18.sim.aol.com> <8CBBF264615FEFE-EDC-E6D@WEBMAIL-MC02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Doc, I'm here in California, so I'll give Tony a call. Thanks for the help! Mike > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:52:48 -0400 > From: rellis2007@aol.com > > Mike > I understand You are over seas, that would explain the 220 volts, I can give You the phone number for NSM in the USA, that number is 1-630-279-2244 ask for Tony Lentz He is the man for the 45 juke boxes. > > hope this helps. > > doc ellis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Marsh > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Fri, Jun 19, 2009 11:23 am > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question > > > > > hanks Doc. I appreciate the help, but I don't have a good schematic. I'll try > earching the Internet, but if you know where I can get one or an NSM manual, > 'd appreciate the help. > > Thanks, > Mike > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:03:03 -0400 > From: rellis2007@aol.com > > could be almost any thing, make sure if their are any molox connectors make > ure they are pluged in all the way, make sure the stereo pot may just have a > ad spot. with the machine off un plug all boards and plug them back in only on > he left side out put. if that doesn't help I would start to think out put > ransistor or some were around it like bad solder joint, bad preamp, do You have > good schematic?Most jukes I work on give little info on the schematics. > > good luck and hope this helps. > > doc ellis > ps even check the cartridge some times one side can go bad. maybe by switching > ires on it. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Marsh > To: > jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:43 pm > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question > > > > > i, > I have an NSM City IV (45 version)that seems to be in relatively good shape, > ut the other day while playing it, the Right Channel stopped working (both > pper & lower speakers). Does that sound like the Amp went out, or how should I > > o about Troubleshooting the probable cause. I'm new to this so excuse my lack > f info. > > Thanks, > Mike > _________________________________________________________________ > nsert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. > ttp://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _________________________________________________________________ > icrosoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing? now > ttp://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try > ing_1x1_______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Jun 19 12:51:28 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Jun 19 12:53:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) In-Reply-To: <803330400906191132q504af360q56e040a033c97ede@mail.gmail.com> References: <803330400906191006k48b3ab7aoe1c4086a6dcc5f5f@mail.gmail.com> <803330400906191132q504af360q56e040a033c97ede@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jon, I don't think you can hurt anything. Cut off the RCA jack, and substitute the ac plug in it's place. See what kind of sound you get. Don't be surprised if it sounds tinny, or real low in volume, as that is likely the crystal Astatic cartridge. When you decide to substitute the new cartridge, be sure to solder the wires to the lugs that plug into the cartridge (do not solder them directly to the cart as it could cause damage to it). We'll assume your rebuilder did a proper job and checked out the amp and speaker. Good luck with this. I'm sure you'll be very happy having your W600 brought back to life. Enjoy. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of JE Sent: 2009, June, 19 2:32 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) Hi Mike, I just got the amp back 2 days ago, so I haven't tried anything yet. I wanted to make sure I was doing everything right first. I'll check the original cable out. There was no a/c plug, since it was originally going into the preamp with a RCA jack. I'm glad I checked about the wire, I couldn't find any info about it. Yes, the volume control box was sent in with amp and was reworked with the assumption I would use a newer cartridge. I guess I just wasn't sure if the astatic cartridge already installed was good enough. thanks for the help! Jon On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Glad you had the amp rebuilt. Are you getting sound out of it now? > > In looking at the picture you attached, to me this seems like an old > crystal cartridge. It's still using a steel needle which will be hard > on your records (I noticed the original weights also in the picture). > > I would higly recommend you use the 51-2 cartridge in place of this one. > > > Re the wiring: there are two: the insulated one inside, and the > braided flex on the outside. The replacement wiring will have a > plastic cover, but still be braided the same way inside. If the > original wire is still flexible, and has no electrical faults, I would continue to use it. > The original tonearm wiring had an a/c plug on the end to insert into > the volume control box. If you get a hum, reverse the plug in the > socket. > > Yes, if you change the cartridge, you'll have to adjust the weight. > The new one will likely be lighter in weight. You should be tracking > around 10 grams. There are gram gauges available to check accurately. > Play with the balance between the tonearm head and the back. I often > use something heavy like a piece of solder to lighten the tracking. > > Did you have the volume control box rebuilt also, and changed to > accept a modern cartridge? It won't work very well at all if this is > not done (but then, maybe the last person did this when then put in > the Astatic) > > Good luck, let us know how it goes. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of JE > Sent: 2009, June, 19 1:07 PM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) > > Hello again. > More beginner questions from a novice. This stuff is hard to find > info on! > > I have a couple of general questions about the wiring for the tone arm > on my Wurlitzer 600. > The amp was from a W500, and it had a pre-amp with the tone arm cable > plugged into it with a RCA jack. I had the amp rebuilt and the preamp > is now gone. > > My first question would be should I keep the cartridge that is already > installed, or use a newer conversion kit i bought? > > Here is a picture of the existing cartridge, All I know is that it's > an Astatic model. > http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3783/dscn0105f.jpg > > The conversion kit I bought, came with a Pfanstiehl P51-2 cartridge. > Other than the needle being smaller, I don't know what would be better > to use. > I could use your opinions on that. The astatic cartridge would have > been installed around 1982, and to my knowledge, has never had the > needle changed. > > If I replace the astatic cartridge with the P51-2, would I need to > adjust anything since the original cartridge has already been replaced? > I guess I'm talking about weight here. > Any other problems I can expect? > > The original wire is confusing to me too. It's a braided (shielded?) > metal cable with only one wire inside. Can that be right? In the > picture, it looks like the wire goes to one lead > and the cable jacket goes to the other. I haven't taken a close look > at it > obviously :) > There has to be another wire right? > The kit came with new wire and an AC plug for the volume control box. > > Remember, I don't know anything about this stuff, so I apologize, if > my questions are pretty silly. > > thanks for the help! > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > ______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does > not waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return > e-mail or > otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. 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From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Jun 19 13:34:40 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Jun 19 13:36:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) In-Reply-To: <803330400906191006k48b3ab7aoe1c4086a6dcc5f5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <803330400906191006k48b3ab7aoe1c4086a6dcc5f5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jon, I had another look at your picture. Are the current wires soldered to lugs on the Astatic cartridge? If they are, pull them off, and see if you can squeeze them shut a bit with a pair of needle nose pliers. You might be able to use the lugs from the Astatic, on the 51-2. It's worth a try. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of JE Sent: 2009, June, 19 1:07 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) Hello again. More beginner questions from a novice. This stuff is hard to find info on! I have a couple of general questions about the wiring for the tone arm on my Wurlitzer 600. The amp was from a W500, and it had a pre-amp with the tone arm cable plugged into it with a RCA jack. I had the amp rebuilt and the preamp is now gone. My first question would be should I keep the cartridge that is already installed, or use a newer conversion kit i bought? Here is a picture of the existing cartridge, All I know is that it's an Astatic model. http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3783/dscn0105f.jpg The conversion kit I bought, came with a Pfanstiehl P51-2 cartridge. Other than the needle being smaller, I don't know what would be better to use. I could use your opinions on that. The astatic cartridge would have been installed around 1982, and to my knowledge, has never had the needle changed. If I replace the astatic cartridge with the P51-2, would I need to adjust anything since the original cartridge has already been replaced? I guess I'm talking about weight here. Any other problems I can expect? The original wire is confusing to me too. It's a braided (shielded?) metal cable with only one wire inside. Can that be right? In the picture, it looks like the wire goes to one lead and the cable jacket goes to the other. I haven't taken a close look at it obviously :) There has to be another wire right? The kit came with new wire and an AC plug for the volume control box. Remember, I don't know anything about this stuff, so I apologize, if my questions are pretty silly. thanks for the help! Jon _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From coonjerkins at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 13:41:12 2009 From: coonjerkins at gmail.com (JE) Date: Fri Jun 19 13:42:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) In-Reply-To: References: <803330400906191006k48b3ab7aoe1c4086a6dcc5f5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <803330400906191341x583205e8g3a888c17f1e1c85e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Mike. I'll give it a look I wonder if I could find some at Radio Shack or something. I found a picture of what they look like, pretty sure they weren't in the kit. I might just try out the old cartridge first, I just need to wire up the a/c plug. I just want to hear the dang thing work... and then swap out the 51-2 once I get the lugs. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Jon, > > I had another look at your picture. Are the current wires soldered to > lugs on the Astatic cartridge? If they are, pull them off, and see if > you can squeeze them shut a bit with a pair of needle nose pliers. You > might be able to use the lugs from the Astatic, on the 51-2. It's worth > a try. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of JE > Sent: 2009, June, 19 1:07 PM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) > > Hello again. > More beginner questions from a novice. This stuff is hard to find info > on! > > I have a couple of general questions about the wiring for the tone arm > on my Wurlitzer 600. > The amp was from a W500, and it had a pre-amp with the tone arm cable > plugged into it with a RCA jack. I had the amp rebuilt and the preamp > is now gone. > > My first question would be should I keep the cartridge that is already > installed, or use a newer conversion kit i bought? > > Here is a picture of the existing cartridge, All I know is that it's an > Astatic model. > http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3783/dscn0105f.jpg > > The conversion kit I bought, came with a Pfanstiehl P51-2 cartridge. > Other than the needle being smaller, I don't know what would be better > to use. > I could use your opinions on that. The astatic cartridge would have been > installed around 1982, and to my knowledge, has never had the needle > changed. > > If I replace the astatic cartridge with the P51-2, would I need to > adjust anything since the original cartridge has already been replaced? > I guess I'm talking about weight here. > Any other problems I can expect? > > The original wire is confusing to me too. It's a braided (shielded?) > metal cable with only one wire inside. Can that be right? In the > picture, it looks like the wire goes to one lead > and the cable jacket goes to the other. I haven't taken a close look > at it > obviously :) > There has to be another wire right? > The kit came with new wire and an AC plug for the volume control box. > > Remember, I don't know anything about this stuff, so I apologize, if my > questions are pretty silly. > > thanks for the help! > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not > waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or > otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne > renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements > qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) > d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser > imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 19 13:47:34 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Fri Jun 19 13:50:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) References: <803330400906191006k48b3ab7aoe1c4086a6dcc5f5f@mail.gmail.com> <803330400906191341x583205e8g3a888c17f1e1c85e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D8D1627E9D34E638A0242146CA470B6@yoursz6x6sefxo> Look under the foam in the plastic case the cartridge came in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JE" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) Thanks Mike. I'll give it a look I wonder if I could find some at Radio Shack or something. I found a picture of what they look like, pretty sure they weren't in the kit. I might just try out the old cartridge first, I just need to wire up the a/c plug. I just want to hear the dang thing work... and then swap out the 51-2 once I get the lugs. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Jon, > > I had another look at your picture. Are the current wires soldered to > lugs on the Astatic cartridge? If they are, pull them off, and see if > you can squeeze them shut a bit with a pair of needle nose pliers. You > might be able to use the lugs from the Astatic, on the 51-2. It's worth > a try. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of JE > Sent: 2009, June, 19 1:07 PM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) > > Hello again. > More beginner questions from a novice. This stuff is hard to find info > on! > > I have a couple of general questions about the wiring for the tone arm > on my Wurlitzer 600. > The amp was from a W500, and it had a pre-amp with the tone arm cable > plugged into it with a RCA jack. I had the amp rebuilt and the preamp > is now gone. > > My first question would be should I keep the cartridge that is already > installed, or use a newer conversion kit i bought? > > Here is a picture of the existing cartridge, All I know is that it's an > Astatic model. > http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3783/dscn0105f.jpg > > The conversion kit I bought, came with a Pfanstiehl P51-2 cartridge. > Other than the needle being smaller, I don't know what would be better > to use. > I could use your opinions on that. The astatic cartridge would have been > installed around 1982, and to my knowledge, has never had the needle > changed. > > If I replace the astatic cartridge with the P51-2, would I need to > adjust anything since the original cartridge has already been replaced? > I guess I'm talking about weight here. > Any other problems I can expect? > > The original wire is confusing to me too. It's a braided (shielded?) > metal cable with only one wire inside. Can that be right? In the > picture, it looks like the wire goes to one lead > and the cable jacket goes to the other. I haven't taken a close look > at it > obviously :) > There has to be another wire right? > The kit came with new wire and an AC plug for the volume control box. > > Remember, I don't know anything about this stuff, so I apologize, if my > questions are pretty silly. > > thanks for the help! > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not > waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail > or > otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne > renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements > qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) > d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser > imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinballpauls at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 15:11:48 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Fri Jun 19 15:13:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 448 gripper relay Message-ID: I have a Rock-ola 448 that has a bad relay coil for the gripper motor. Anybody know the specs on that coil? From seancalla at eircom.net Fri Jun 19 16:04:11 2009 From: seancalla at eircom.net (Sean Callaghan) Date: Fri Jun 19 16:05:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 In-Reply-To: <564519.77387.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron Will do and let you know Thanks Sean -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 18 June 2009 05:44 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 Sean, Just guessing from what you say--It sounds as if there is a poor connection somewhere. Could be an internal plug not making well, or as I think I recall, Rock Ola used some large green ( or Gn/yel) jumpers for grounds ( or earth), on that model. Check that the connections are clean and tight. I have seen the ground straps build up "gunk" at the screw terminal (s). Ron Rich --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Sean Callaghan wrote: From: Sean Callaghan Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 3:39 PM Ron Just to clarify, I am living in Ireland and the voltage is 240vac, the main fuse line is ok,tonight the jukebox operated ok,? the display of the top three hits has now corrected itself and back to 100 120 and 130 which according to the manual indicates that the voltages I mentioned are ok, the display itself is still alternating between dim and bright. Haven't yet had time to check the chord or socket(sort of job you need to do with no kids about)Haven't had a problem with the power in this location or with other things operating on the sockets. Has it anything to do with the power distribution box or transformer. Thanks Sean Doc Ellis Frist thing I would do is check to see how many amps it is drawing at the plug, You say it blows the house fuse? if so that should be a double breaker, that is triping. I would do a front to back check on the rectifiers the check or better yet replace the main filter condenser Just wondering why are You running this machine on 220 voltes? Sorry I should have said it is a RCD that trips and I live in Ireland and operate at 240vac,Just a few questions what rectifers in particular and what is the main filter condenser, giving away my lack of know how now Thanks Sean -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 17 June 2009 00:54 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 Sean, The very first thing to do is check that the "main" or "line" fuse on the RockOla is the correct size and type for 220vac !? If it is, and it's not blowing, I would suspect that either there is a problem somewhere from the fuse--backward--thru the cord to the 'plug", or that there are other things on that (wall) fuse, and that the combination of equipment on that curcuit is to high. In any case, un plug the juke till you get it sorted out--? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Sean Callaghan wrote: From: Sean Callaghan Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 488 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 3:55 PM Hello I wonder can anyone help me to figure out a problem with the machine Recently the machine when it is turned on and in use or idling it causes a fuse to trip on the main house fuse box after a number of minutes I have noticed that the display of the three top hits get dim and then get brighter when the machine is on, I think but not fully sure that the numbers have changed in the display. Previously I think they were 110 120 and 130 now they are 100 101 and 111. The display of the top three hits indicate that the(1) minus 21 vdc is on,(2) 25vac display transformer primary, and 2.4 vac secondary filament voltages are on and the(3) 9.6 vdc for operating microprocessor circuits are on. All three lights on the face of the power supply board are on which indicate the presence of operating voltages(+32vdc,-21vdc,9.6vdc) In the manual the transformer has 4 secondary windings(1) 46vac-amplifier, (2)15vac,(3) 25vac-relay, motor circuits(4)25vac If I say any more I'll probably confuse ye Is it likely to be something to do with the transformer Just to mention also that the machine operates on 220vdc and there were no problems with mains wiring or power surges Thanks Sean _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.79/2186 - Release Date: 06/18/09 17:59:00 From coonjerkins at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 19:06:40 2009 From: coonjerkins at gmail.com (JE) Date: Fri Jun 19 19:08:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) In-Reply-To: <4D8D1627E9D34E638A0242146CA470B6@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <803330400906191006k48b3ab7aoe1c4086a6dcc5f5f@mail.gmail.com> <803330400906191341x583205e8g3a888c17f1e1c85e@mail.gmail.com> <4D8D1627E9D34E638A0242146CA470B6@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <803330400906191906h7a8977a6o7f9360d02a0b76f0@mail.gmail.com> Nothing there. Good guess though. I hooked up the a/c plug to the old cartridge and tried out the amp. Sounded great and worked like a champ. A little hum here and there, but all in all I'm very happy. It will hold me while I wait to get the lugs for the 51-2 Thanks! On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:47 PM, William Hill wrote: > Look under the foam in the plastic case the cartridge came in. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "JE" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) > > > > Thanks Mike. I'll give it a look I wonder if I could find some at Radio > Shack or something. > I found a picture of what they look like, pretty sure they weren't in the > kit. > > I might just try out the old cartridge first, I just need to wire up the > a/c > plug. > I just want to hear the dang thing work... and then swap out > the 51-2 once I get the lugs. > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Dicecco, Michael > wrote: > > Jon, >> >> I had another look at your picture. Are the current wires soldered to >> lugs on the Astatic cartridge? If they are, pull them off, and see if >> you can squeeze them shut a bit with a pair of needle nose pliers. You >> might be able to use the lugs from the Astatic, on the 51-2. It's worth >> a try. >> >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of JE >> Sent: 2009, June, 19 1:07 PM >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) >> >> Hello again. >> More beginner questions from a novice. This stuff is hard to find info >> on! >> >> I have a couple of general questions about the wiring for the tone arm >> on my Wurlitzer 600. >> The amp was from a W500, and it had a pre-amp with the tone arm cable >> plugged into it with a RCA jack. I had the amp rebuilt and the preamp >> is now gone. >> >> My first question would be should I keep the cartridge that is already >> installed, or use a newer conversion kit i bought? >> >> Here is a picture of the existing cartridge, All I know is that it's an >> Astatic model. >> http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3783/dscn0105f.jpg >> >> The conversion kit I bought, came with a Pfanstiehl P51-2 cartridge. >> Other than the needle being smaller, I don't know what would be better >> to use. >> I could use your opinions on that. The astatic cartridge would have been >> installed around 1982, and to my knowledge, has never had the needle >> changed. >> >> If I replace the astatic cartridge with the P51-2, would I need to >> adjust anything since the original cartridge has already been replaced? >> I guess I'm talking about weight here. >> Any other problems I can expect? >> >> The original wire is confusing to me too. It's a braided (shielded?) >> metal cable with only one wire inside. Can that be right? In the >> picture, it looks like the wire goes to one lead >> and the cable jacket goes to the other. I haven't taken a close look >> at it >> obviously :) >> There has to be another wire right? >> The kit came with new wire and an AC plug for the volume control box. >> >> Remember, I don't know anything about this stuff, so I apologize, if my >> questions are pretty silly. >> >> thanks for the help! >> >> Jon >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not >> waive any related rights and obligations. >> Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it >> contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. >> If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail >> or >> otherwise) immediately. >> >> Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne >> renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. >> Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements >> qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) >> d?sign?(s) est interdite. >> Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser >> imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From s.cummings4738 at att.net Fri Jun 19 19:46:01 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Fri Jun 19 20:14:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles In-Reply-To: <833860.27399.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <833860.27399.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c9f151$3fd24680$bf76d380$@cummings4738@att.net> My mechanism is almost complete, so I'm getting back to this issue. Now, I'm sure most of you will think "boy, this guy is an idiot" and I must profess my ignorance, but why can't I just replace the cartridge with a different (more easily used and serviced) model? It's my understanding that the A, B, and C all shipped with the blackhead cartridge. Almost no B or C would still have that cartridge. Most have moved to a redhead or a Pickering 345-03D. I'm sure the reasoning is simple and something that I just don't understand, but the base looks similar and in many cases the amp was the same model. Obviously this isn't an option, or else someone would have mentioned it. I guess I'm just curious more than anything as to why replacing the cartridge isn't an option. Thanks everyone! P.S. Chrome is back and I'm starting to see light at the end of a 6-7 year tunnel. I'll be sure to post the pics once it's all done. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:23 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Go to www.needles4jukboxes.com? and purchase the ones for the model "B", ONLY f you have the cart. shown--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 5:24 PM So, when looking for needles like that, exactly what am I looking for?? A lot of what I see are referred to as yellow or blue (based on their appearance, obviously)? I'm just making sure that I'm looking for and/or buying the right needles to at least try.? From the sounds of what Ron mentioned (.7 mil stylus for stereo records), it seems that would be what I am looking for.? Any more info on those Ron? I understand that the very design of the A mech is going to be rough on records.? I am not planning on heavy use (at all) nor are any of the records what I would consider antiques, so if they wear then they wear (unless we're talking single-use, then that's not good).? I just want to have the maximum number of options when it comes to the records I load and not be limited to 1950s mono 45s. Thanks everyone. Scott -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:26 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: > I'm not aware of the .7 mil stylus being sold for the > black-head but unless it is designed to address the issue of > vertical compliance it won't be good for stereo 45s. I'm not an expert on 45 RPM Seeburgs, but the 45 stylus in the L-shaped bracket made for the M100-B will fit an M100-A cartridge.? A set was installed in my M100-A when it was converted to 33 play.? The original cardboard packet with the installation "tools" was still in the cash box. ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Fri Jun 19 21:35:00 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jun 19 21:36:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles In-Reply-To: <000301c9f151$3fd24680$bf76d380$@cummings4738@att.net> References: <833860.27399.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000301c9f151$3fd24680$bf76d380$@cummings4738@att.net> Message-ID: <4A3C66F4.20406@west.net> Scott Cummings wrote: > My mechanism is almost complete, so I'm getting back to this issue. Now, > I'm sure most of you will think "boy, this guy is an idiot" and I must > profess my ignorance, but why can't I just replace the cartridge with a > different (more easily used and serviced) model? It's my understanding that > the A, B, and C all shipped with the blackhead cartridge. Almost no B or C > would still have that cartridge. Most have moved to a redhead or a > Pickering 345-03D. I'm sure the reasoning is simple and something that I > just don't understand, but the base looks similar and in many cases the amp > was the same model. Obviously this isn't an option, or else someone would > have mentioned it. I guess I'm just curious more than anything as to why > replacing the cartridge isn't an option. All original Seeburg cartridges were made by Pickering, unique to Seeburg's mechanism with styli on both sides tracking in opposite directions. The A is 78 RPM, black screw-mount cartridge with 3-mil styli. This mounting is unique to the A and no other cartridge can be substituted without modifying or replacing the tonearm. This is not trivial to do. The B through 201 are all monaural jukeboxes. These used a two-pin slip-in mounting cartridge with a retaining screw, a monaural cartridge with little vertical compliance. B and C used a black cartridge with a stylus unique to it. This was replaced with the RedHead either with the G/W or perhaps late-production C. The original RedHead styli are a very short vertical pin in a blue plastic slider. The black and red cartridges are interchangeable in the same tonearm. These cartridges are not suitable for playing stereo records. When stereo records came out, a number of aftermarket cartridges were produced to allow the B through 201 to play them without damage. Most of these were based on ceramic "turnover" cartridges originally designed for record players with a 78-rpm stylus on one side and a 45-rpm stylus on the other. The cartridges were made by Vaco/Varco/Thorpe and adapted for the Seeburg 2-pin mounting with a molded plastic base. The better ones had a network to match the ceramic output to the magnetic amplifier input in the molded base. Typical versions of these cartridges use a stylus assembly tht looks like a miniature two-tined fork. Another option for stereo records was an L-shaped stylus for the original RedHead to allow for vertical compliance. Yet a third and later option was the Pickering 345-03D which was adapted from the later version Pickering (more on this later). The original Seeburg stereo cartridge was introduced with the 222 and used through the LPC-1. These were made in both a black and red case, but seem to be electrically identical. These have four pins on the base and a securing screw. Mounting is similar to the monaural RedHead but a wider base with four pins required a different tonearm. These are the "T-needle" cartridges. Original Seeburg styli were blue for sapphire tips and grey for diamond tips. Seeburg calls the stylus assembly an armature. After the LPC series, the latest stereo Seeburgs used a snap-in stereo mounting. The styli for this type use a round tube and various colors were used. Originals for the snap-in mount were usually yellow. These were called a type 345. When Pickering came up with the snap-in cartridge, they also made two replacement cartridges using the same mechanism. The 345-03D was a stereo cartridge wired as mono and a direct replacement for the two-pin RedHead. These are coveted as probably the best replacement made and command a premium price. They also made a four-pin slide-in type based on the same design as a replacement for the 222-to-LPC series T-needle type. These weren't made in large quantities. They also had a 345-??D part number, I think 345-07D but don't quote me on that. There are also adapters made to take a snap-in Pickering and use it in a B-to-201 mono machine consisting of a plastic adapter base and a rectangular clip to hold it in place. Recently Vern Tisdale is making limited quantities of a replacement for the RedHead that seems to be based on the NP-AC. So, for monaural B-through-201 machines and stereo records your options are: * RedHead with L-shaped stereo-compatible styli. * Vaco/Varco/Thorpe aftermarket replacement. * Pickering 345-03D * Pickering 345 snap-in type with adapter. * Replace tonearm and use T-needle type. * Replace tonearm and use snap-in Pickering 345. * Vern Tisdale's replacement. All depending on your budget and whether you have a stereo tonearm in a junker to cannibalize. Seeburg made changes in the input shunt resistor value in the amplifier from time to time which affect the sound, often significantly with different cartridges. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Sat Jun 20 00:08:06 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Sat Jun 20 00:16:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question Message-ID: <524330.4384.qm@web96005.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Mike,I have a City IV manual here, can post it if it would help.... I need a city2 manual.These NSM units are a nightmare when they breakdown :-((Regards John --- On Sat, 20/6/09, Mike Marsh wrote: From: Mike Marsh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 4:23 AM Thanks Doc. I appreciate the help, but I don't have a good schematic. I'll try searching the Internet, but if you know where I can get one or an NSM manual, I'd appreciate the help. Thanks, Mike > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:03:03 -0400 > From: rellis2007@aol.com > > could be almost any thing, make sure if their are any molox connectors make sure they are pluged in all the way, make sure the stereo pot may just have a bad spot. with the machine off un plug all boards and plug them back in only on the left side out put. if that doesn't help I would start to think out put transistor or some were around it like bad solder joint, bad preamp, do You have a good schematic?Most jukes I work on give little info on the schematics. > > good luck and hope this helps. > > doc ellis > ps even check the cartridge some times one side can go bad. maybe by switching wires on it. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Marsh > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:43 pm > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question > > > > > i, > I have an NSM City IV (45 version)that seems to be in relatively good shape, > ut the other day while playing it, the Right Channel stopped working (both > pper & lower speakers). Does that sound like the Amp went out, or how should I > o about Troubleshooting the probable cause. I'm new to this so excuse my lack > f info. > > Thanks, > Mike > _________________________________________________________________ > nsert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. > ttp://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web.? Try? Bing? now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Jun 20 02:47:43 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Jun 20 02:49:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts In-Reply-To: <003001c9e93c$57d4e750$077eb5f0$@force9.co.uk> References: <588630.51999.qm@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003001c9e93c$57d4e750$077eb5f0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <002301c9f18c$28c62700$7a527500$@force9.co.uk> For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these and know this issue only too well). However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for another few hours. My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM Rowes - same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around the LPC era. Any ideas ? Thanks Nigel From rellis2007 at aol.com Sat Jun 20 04:14:30 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 20 04:20:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts In-Reply-To: <002301c9f18c$28c62700$7a527500$@force9.co.uk> References: <588630.51999.qm@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com><003001c9e93c$57d4e750$077eb5f0$@force9.co.uk> <002301c9f18c$28c62700$7a527500$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <8CBBFAF6A015271-808-1E9C@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> Nigel could go to the Rat shack, try some of the jell it is for electrical connections It some how deals with heat. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Pugh To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:47 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these and know this issue only too well). However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for another few hours. My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM Rowes - same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around the LPC era. Any ideas ? Thanks Nigel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Sat Jun 20 04:27:26 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 20 04:36:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question In-Reply-To: <524330.4384.qm@web96005.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <524330.4384.qm@web96005.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBBFB138F6549D-808-1EC0@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> John their is a city II manual on EBay . do You just need the manual? if so I have an extra one, shipped 30.00 dollars. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: John Wilson To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:08 am Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question Hi Mike,I have a City IV manual here, can post it if it would help.... I need a ity2 manual.These NSM units are a nightmare when they breakdown :-((Regards ohn --- On Sat, 20/6/09, Mike Marsh wrote: From: Mike Marsh ubject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question o: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com eceived: Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 4:23 AM hanks Doc. I appreciate the help, but I don't have a good schematic. I'll try earching the Internet, but if you know where I can get one or an NSM manual, 'd appreciate the help. Thanks, Mike To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:03:03 -0400 From: rellis2007@aol.com could be almost any thing, make sure if their are any molox connectors make ure they are pluged in all the way, make sure the stereo pot may just have a ad spot. with the machine off un plug all boards and plug them back in only on he left side out put. if that doesn't help I would start to think out put ransistor or some were around it like bad solder joint, bad preamp, do You have good schematic?Most ju kes I work on give little info on the schematics. good luck and hope this helps. doc ellis ps even check the cartridge some times one side can go bad. maybe by switching ires on it. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Marsh To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:43 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question i, I have an NSM City IV (45 version)that seems to be in relatively good shape, ut the other day while playing it, the Right Channel stopped working (both pper & lower speakers). Does that sound like the Amp went out, or how should I > o about Troubleshooting the probable cause. I'm new to this so excuse my lack f info. Thanks, Mike _________________________________________________________________ nsert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. ttp://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ icrosoft brings you a new way to search the web.? Try? Bing? now ttp://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try ing_1x1_______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netl ojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rondavis at btconnect.com Sat Jun 20 04:49:52 2009 From: rondavis at btconnect.com (Ron Davis) Date: Sat Jun 20 04:51:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princess 435 Message-ID: Hi All, I have a good working Princess 435 but I need some replacement selector buttons. Can anyone help please. Ron Davis From rellis2007 at aol.com Sat Jun 20 05:02:11 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 20 05:13:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princess 435 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBBFB613BEC503-808-1F3F@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> Try Victory glass. doc -----Original Message----- From: Ron Davis To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: ron@rondavismarine.co.uk Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:49 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princess 435 Hi All, I have a good working Princess 435 but I need some replacement selector buttons. Can anyone help please. Ron Davis _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Jun 20 05:36:41 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Jun 20 05:38:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts In-Reply-To: <8CBBFAF6A015271-808-1E9C@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> References: <588630.51999.qm@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com><003001c9e93c$57d4e750$077eb5f0$@force9.co.uk> <002301c9f18c$28c62700$7a527500$@force9.co.uk> <8CBBFAF6A015271-808-1E9C@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002a01c9f1a3$c36ca3d0$4a45eb70$@force9.co.uk> Hi Doc, What is Rat Shack ? I am in the UK. The weird thing is, there is little or no heat in this area. It is at the bottom of the mech and never gets warm. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of rellis2007@aol.com Sent: 20 June 2009 12:15 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts Nigel could go to the Rat shack, try some of the jell it is for electrical connections It some how deals with heat. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Pugh To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:47 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these and know this issue only too well). However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for another few hours. My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM Rowes - same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around the LPC era. Any ideas ? Thanks Nigel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 20 07:57:05 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Sat Jun 20 07:58:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts References: <588630.51999.qm@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com><003001c9e93c$57d4e750$077eb5f0$@force9.co.uk> <002301c9f18c$28c62700$7a527500$@force9.co.uk><8CBBFAF6A015271-808-1E9C@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> <002a01c9f1a3$c36ca3d0$4a45eb70$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <54A79DFAA1594E1F8FED348B0C2D7732@yoursz6x6sefxo> Nigel, Tandy William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > Hi Doc, > > What is Rat Shack ? I am in the UK. > > The weird thing is, there is little or no heat in this area. It is at the > bottom of the mech and never gets warm. > > Nigel > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of > rellis2007@aol.com > Sent: 20 June 2009 12:15 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > Nigel > could go to the Rat shack, try some of the jell it is for electrical > connections > It some how deals with heat. > > doc ellis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nigel Pugh > To: 'Jukebox mailing list' > Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:47 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > > > For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM > Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. > The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these > and > know this issue only too well). > > However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex > type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. > > The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, > adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. > But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I > unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for > another few hours. > > My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly > conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? > > The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same > issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? > It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM > Rowes - > same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around > the > LPC era. > > Any ideas ? > > Thanks > > Nigel > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Sat Jun 20 08:12:43 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Sat Jun 20 08:15:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts In-Reply-To: <54A79DFAA1594E1F8FED348B0C2D7732@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <588630.51999.qm@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com><003001c9e93c$57d4e750$077eb5f0$@force9.co.uk> <002301c9f18c$28c62700$7a527500$@force9.co.uk><8CBBFAF6A015271-808-1E9C@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com><002a01c9f1a3$c36ca3d0$4a45eb70$@force9.co.uk><54A79DFAA1594E1F8FED348B0C2D7732@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <944916547-1245510817-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-244556893-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Really? That's interesting that Radio Shack is called Tandy in the UK. RS computers used to be called Tandy in the US. What were they in the UK? Radio Shacks? LOL -----Original Message----- From: "William Hill" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:57:05 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts Nigel, Tandy William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > Hi Doc, > > What is Rat Shack ? I am in the UK. > > The weird thing is, there is little or no heat in this area. It is at the > bottom of the mech and never gets warm. > > Nigel > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of > rellis2007@aol.com > Sent: 20 June 2009 12:15 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > Nigel > could go to the Rat shack, try some of the jell it is for electrical > connections > It some how deals with heat. > > doc ellis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nigel Pugh > To: 'Jukebox mailing list' > Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:47 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > > > For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM > Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. > The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these > and > know this issue only too well). > > However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex > type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. > > The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, > adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. > But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I > unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for > another few hours. > > My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly > conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? > > The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same > issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? > It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM > Rowes - > same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around > the > LPC era. > > Any ideas ? > > Thanks > > Nigel > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jun 20 08:19:02 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jun 20 08:20:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play AMi G200 Message-ID: <823817.47562.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > I used a momentary switch that > terminated to micro alligator > clips. I secured the button in the return cup > and jumped the dime paddle. > A quick press on the button...1 credit. What I now > realize, is that when I > drop a dime in, it does not register. I assume > that is because I am > holding the circuit open until the button is pressed. If the switches are wired in parallel, either should work. If they're wired in series, neither will work unless both are activated simultaneously. So the problem must be with the coin switch. The only way I can see that clipping on the free credit switch would disable the coin switch is if strain from the clipped-on wires is pulling the coin switch contacts out of adjustment so they don't close. Series: <______/ ____/ ___ <_________________| Parallel: <__________ \ \ <___| ____} From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 20 08:25:22 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Sat Jun 20 08:27:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts References: <588630.51999.qm@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com><003001c9e93c$57d4e750$077eb5f0$@force9.co.uk> <002301c9f18c$28c62700$7a527500$@force9.co.uk><8CBBFAF6A015271-808-1E9C@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com><002a01c9f1a3$c36ca3d0$4a45eb70$@force9.co.uk><54A79DFAA1594E1F8FED348B0C2D7732@yoursz6x6sefxo> <944916547-1245510817-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-244556893-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <058E56813DFC4F10ABA9B3B85F672428@yoursz6x6sefxo> Actually, it appears I obviously haven't been back to the UK for a while. I was just reading the stores are named T2 now. So maybe the computers were called the Terminator....... becuase they terminated your bank account and gave you little in return. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cummings" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > Really? That's interesting that Radio Shack is called Tandy in the UK. RS > computers used to be called Tandy in the US. What were they in the UK? > Radio Shacks? LOL > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "William Hill" > > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:57:05 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > > Nigel, > > Tandy > > William Hill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nigel Pugh" > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:36 AM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > >> Hi Doc, >> >> What is Rat Shack ? I am in the UK. >> >> The weird thing is, there is little or no heat in this area. It is at the >> bottom of the mech and never gets warm. >> >> Nigel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of >> rellis2007@aol.com >> Sent: 20 June 2009 12:15 >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts >> >> Nigel >> could go to the Rat shack, try some of the jell it is for electrical >> connections >> It some how deals with heat. >> >> doc ellis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nigel Pugh >> To: 'Jukebox mailing list' >> Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:47 am >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts >> >> >> >> For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM >> Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. >> The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these >> and >> know this issue only too well). >> >> However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex >> type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. >> >> The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, >> adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. >> But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I >> unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well >> for >> another few hours. >> >> My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly >> conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? >> >> The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same >> issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? >> It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM >> Rowes - >> same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around >> the >> LPC era. >> >> Any ideas ? >> >> Thanks >> >> Nigel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 20 08:31:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 20 08:33:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts Message-ID: <798173.22641.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nigel, There were no "Molex" ( a brand name) connectors made when the Seeburg LPC and the Wurl 2300 were made. If you are speaking of the nylon connector using? "flat pin" (aka "Twin V") type,? that were the same for both the pin and socket, those were AMP brand connectors, and yes, it's very possible and happens quite often that the "female" socket ( has the pins that are more difficult to reach) have "gone bad". Those pins are NLA anywhere that I can find ( I searched all over for them and had a guy at AMP ( now Tyco) looking too--none found). You have a choice, either jumper around the bad pin, or change the whole plug and socket assembly-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 2:47 AM For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these and know this issue only too well). However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for another few hours. My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM Rowes - same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around the LPC era. Any ideas ? Thanks Nigel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 20 08:36:16 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 20 08:38:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts Message-ID: <933373.85768.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, Tandy leather purchased "Radio ( bna "Rat") Shack" from Allied Radio, at about the time that computers were "invented" by the guy that invented the internet !--Oh, BTW, Tandy later sold the "Tandy Leather Division" to another interest, along with the name-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts To: "Jukebox List" Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:12 AM Really?? That's interesting that Radio Shack is called Tandy in the UK. RS computers used to be called Tandy in the US. What were they in the UK?? Radio Shacks?? LOL -----Original Message----- From: "William Hill" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:57:05 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts Nigel, Tandy William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > Hi Doc, > > What is Rat Shack ? I am in the UK. > > The weird thing is, there is little or no heat in this area. It is at the > bottom of the mech and never gets warm. > > Nigel > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of > rellis2007@aol.com > Sent: 20 June 2009 12:15 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > Nigel > could go to the Rat shack, try some of the jell it is for electrical > connections > It some how deals with heat. > > doc ellis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nigel Pugh > To: 'Jukebox mailing list' > Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:47 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > > > For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM > Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. > The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these > and > know this issue only too well). > > However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex > type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. > > The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, > adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. > But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I > unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for > another few hours. > > My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly > conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? > > The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same > issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? > It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM > Rowes - > same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around > the > LPC era. > > Any ideas ? > > Thanks > > Nigel > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Sat Jun 20 08:37:45 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Sat Jun 20 08:40:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts In-Reply-To: <933373.85768.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <933373.85768.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1480949808-1245512319-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1405996986-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Anyone else getting duplicate emails today? -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:36:16 To: ; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts Scott, Tandy leather purchased "Radio ( bna "Rat") Shack" from Allied Radio, at about the time that computers were "invented" by the guy that invented the internet !--Oh, BTW, Tandy later sold the "Tandy Leather Division" to another interest, along with the name-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts To: "Jukebox List" Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:12 AM Really?? That's interesting that Radio Shack is called Tandy in the UK. RS computers used to be called Tandy in the US. What were they in the UK?? Radio Shacks?? LOL -----Original Message----- From: "William Hill" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:57:05 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts Nigel, Tandy William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > Hi Doc, > > What is Rat Shack ? I am in the UK. > > The weird thing is, there is little or no heat in this area. It is at the > bottom of the mech and never gets warm. > > Nigel > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of > rellis2007@aol.com > Sent: 20 June 2009 12:15 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > Nigel > could go to the Rat shack, try some of the jell it is for electrical > connections > It some how deals with heat. > > doc ellis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nigel Pugh > To: 'Jukebox mailing list' > Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:47 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > > > For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM > Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. > The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these > and > know this issue only too well). > > However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex > type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. > > The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, > adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. > But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I > unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for > another few hours. > > My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly > conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? > > The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same > issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? > It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM > Rowes - > same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around > the > LPC era. > > Any ideas ? > > Thanks > > Nigel > >_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 20 08:38:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 20 08:40:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] electronic stores-was-Dry Joints / Contacts Message-ID: <316625.41628.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Were there any "Dick Smith" electronic stores in the UK ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/20/09, William Hill wrote: From: William Hill Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts To: s.cummings4738@att.net, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:25 AM Actually, it appears I obviously haven't been back to the UK for a while. I was just reading the stores are named T2 now. So maybe the computers were called the Terminator....... becuase they terminated your bank account and gave you little in return. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cummings" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > Really?? That's interesting that Radio Shack is called Tandy in the UK. RS > computers used to be called Tandy in the US. What were they in the UK? > Radio Shacks?? LOL > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "William Hill" > > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:57:05 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > > Nigel, > > Tandy > > William Hill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nigel Pugh" > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:36 AM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > >> Hi Doc, >> >> What is Rat Shack ? I am in the UK. >> >> The weird thing is, there is little or no heat in this area. It is at the >> bottom of the mech and never gets warm. >> >> Nigel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of >> rellis2007@aol.com >> Sent: 20 June 2009 12:15 >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts >> >> Nigel >> could go to the Rat shack, try some of the jell it is for electrical >> connections >> It some how deals with heat. >> >> doc ellis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nigel Pugh >> To: 'Jukebox mailing list' >> Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:47 am >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts >> >> >> >> For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM >> Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. >> The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these >> and >> know this issue only too well). >> >> However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex >> type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. >> >> The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, >> adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. >> But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I >> unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well >> for >> another few hours. >> >> My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly >> conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? >> >> The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same >> issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? >> It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM >> Rowes - >> same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around >> the >> LPC era. >> >> Any ideas ? >> >> Thanks >> >> Nigel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 20 08:52:32 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 20 08:54:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Message-ID: <586271.96106.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, You got it right--07D. The "time line" for the "snap-in cartridge" was starting with the SS-160.? There is, however more too replacing an original ( of any type) Seeburg (Pickering) with another type Seeburg/Pickering. The springs and other things such as counterbalance are NOT the same from one version mechanism to the next-- SOMETIMES, you MAY get lucky, and plug in another type and it will work, other times, you's gonna have a fight-- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 6/19/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 9:35 PM Scott Cummings wrote: > My mechanism is almost complete, so I'm getting back to this issue.? Now, > I'm sure most of you will think "boy, this guy is an idiot" and I must > profess my ignorance, but why can't I just replace the cartridge with a > different (more easily used and serviced) model?? It's my understanding that > the A, B, and C all shipped with the blackhead cartridge.? Almost no B or C > would still have that cartridge.? Most have moved to a redhead or a > Pickering 345-03D.? I'm sure the reasoning is simple and something that I > just don't understand, but the base looks similar and in many cases the amp > was the same model.? Obviously this isn't an option, or else someone would > have mentioned it.? I guess I'm just curious more than anything as to why > replacing the cartridge isn't an option. All original Seeburg cartridges were made by Pickering, unique to Seeburg's mechanism with styli on both sides tracking in opposite directions. The A is 78 RPM, black screw-mount cartridge with 3-mil styli.? This mounting is unique to the A and no other cartridge can be substituted without modifying or replacing the tonearm.? This is not trivial to do. The B through 201 are all monaural jukeboxes.? These used a two-pin slip-in mounting cartridge with a retaining screw, a monaural cartridge with little vertical compliance.???B and C used a black cartridge with a stylus unique to it.? This was replaced with the RedHead either with the G/W or perhaps late-production C.? The original RedHead styli are a very short vertical pin in a blue plastic slider.? The black and red cartridges are interchangeable in the same tonearm. These cartridges are not suitable for playing stereo records.? When stereo records came out, a number of aftermarket cartridges were produced to allow the B through 201 to play them without damage. Most of these were based on ceramic "turnover" cartridges originally designed for record players with a 78-rpm stylus on one side and a 45-rpm stylus on the other.? The cartridges were made by Vaco/Varco/Thorpe and adapted for the Seeburg 2-pin mounting with a molded plastic base.? The better ones had a network to match the ceramic output to the magnetic amplifier input in the molded base.? Typical versions of these cartridges use a stylus assembly tht looks like a miniature two-tined fork. Another option for stereo records was an L-shaped stylus for the original RedHead to allow for vertical compliance. Yet a third and later option was the Pickering 345-03D which was adapted from the later version Pickering (more on this later). The original Seeburg stereo cartridge was introduced with the 222 and used through the LPC-1.? These were made in both a black and red case, but seem to be electrically identical.? These have four pins on the base and a securing screw.? Mounting is similar to the monaural RedHead but a wider base with four pins required a different tonearm.? These are the "T-needle" cartridges.? Original Seeburg styli were blue for sapphire tips and grey for diamond tips.? Seeburg calls the stylus assembly an armature. After the LPC series, the latest stereo Seeburgs used a snap-in stereo mounting.? The styli for this type use a round tube and various colors were used.? Originals for the snap-in mount were usually yellow.? These were called a type 345. When Pickering came up with the snap-in cartridge, they also made two replacement cartridges using the same mechanism.? The 345-03D was a stereo cartridge wired as mono and a direct replacement for the two-pin RedHead.? These are coveted as probably the best replacement made and command a premium price. They also made a four-pin slide-in type based on the same design as a replacement for the 222-to-LPC series T-needle type.? These weren't made in large quantities.? They also had a 345-??D part number, I think 345-07D but don't quote me on that. There are also adapters made to take a snap-in Pickering and use it in a B-to-201 mono machine consisting of a plastic adapter base and a rectangular clip to hold it in place. Recently Vern Tisdale is making limited quantities of a replacement for the RedHead that seems to be based on the NP-AC. So, for monaural B-through-201 machines and stereo records your options are: * RedHead with L-shaped stereo-compatible styli. * Vaco/Varco/Thorpe aftermarket replacement. * Pickering 345-03D * Pickering 345 snap-in type with adapter. * Replace tonearm and use T-needle type. * Replace tonearm and use snap-in Pickering 345. * Vern Tisdale's replacement. All depending on your budget and whether you have a stereo tonearm in a junker to cannibalize.? Seeburg made changes in the input shunt resistor value in the amplifier from time to time which affect the sound, often significantly with different cartridges. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Jun 20 10:26:23 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Jun 20 10:28:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] electronic stores-was-Dry Joints / Contacts In-Reply-To: <316625.41628.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <316625.41628.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c9f1cc$3c3a83e0$b4af8ba0$@force9.co.uk> Not that I am aware of Ron, Also, Tandy have been long gone in the UK. I don't know of the T2 brand. Our Tandy equivalent is Maplin these days. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 20 June 2009 16:39 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] electronic stores-was-Dry Joints / Contacts Were there any "Dick Smith" electronic stores in the UK ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/20/09, William Hill wrote: From: William Hill Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts To: s.cummings4738@att.net, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:25 AM Actually, it appears I obviously haven't been back to the UK for a while. I was just reading the stores are named T2 now. So maybe the computers were called the Terminator....... becuase they terminated your bank account and gave you little in return. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cummings" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > Really?? That's interesting that Radio Shack is called Tandy in the UK. RS > computers used to be called Tandy in the US. What were they in the UK? > Radio Shacks?? LOL > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "William Hill" > > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:57:05 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > > Nigel, > > Tandy > > William Hill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nigel Pugh" > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:36 AM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > >> Hi Doc, >> >> What is Rat Shack ? I am in the UK. >> >> The weird thing is, there is little or no heat in this area. It is at the >> bottom of the mech and never gets warm. >> >> Nigel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of >> rellis2007@aol.com >> Sent: 20 June 2009 12:15 >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts >> >> Nigel >> could go to the Rat shack, try some of the jell it is for electrical >> connections >> It some how deals with heat. >> >> doc ellis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nigel Pugh >> To: 'Jukebox mailing list' >> Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:47 am >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts >> >> >> >> For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM >> Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. >> The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these >> and >> know this issue only too well). >> >> However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex >> type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. >> >> The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, >> adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. >> But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I >> unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well >> for >> another few hours. >> >> My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly >> conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? >> >> The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same >> issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? >> It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM >> Rowes - >> same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around >> the >> LPC era. >> >> Any ideas ? >> >> Thanks >> >> Nigel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Jun 20 10:31:51 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Jun 20 10:33:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts In-Reply-To: <798173.22641.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <798173.22641.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c9f1cc$ff8309d0$fe891d70$@force9.co.uk> Sorry Ron you are right - they are AMP. On the Rowes, after the JBM, the profile of the pin/socket was round, so Rowe must have changed their supplier around 1965. The flat ones, like you say, are the ones I want. I remember they were on the Seeburgs also, as I had an LPC480 component (Stepper possibly) and stole the connector off that as it was a nice soft blue plastic. The Rowe and Wurlitzer ones were a horrible non heat resistant white, which easily went brittle and fell to pieces. The problem in my case must be on the male, as I have replaced the female assembly with 2 spares I have, and the problem still exists. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 20 June 2009 16:32 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts Nigel, There were no "Molex" ( a brand name) connectors made when the Seeburg LPC and the Wurl 2300 were made. If you are speaking of the nylon connector using? "flat pin" (aka "Twin V") type,? that were the same for both the pin and socket, those were AMP brand connectors, and yes, it's very possible and happens quite often that the "female" socket ( has the pins that are more difficult to reach) have "gone bad". Those pins are NLA anywhere that I can find ( I searched all over for them and had a guy at AMP ( now Tyco) looking too--none found). You have a choice, either jumper around the bad pin, or change the whole plug and socket assembly-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 2:47 AM For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these and know this issue only too well). However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for another few hours. My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM Rowes - same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around the LPC era. Any ideas ? Thanks Nigel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jun 20 11:48:42 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jun 20 11:52:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg cartridges and needles Message-ID: <20090620.144842.489.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: You've done a nice job explaining all of the cartridge variations available for the Seeburg 45 RPM mono-era jukes. I can throw in with a few more pearls of wisdom, if you don't mind.... The Pickering 345-07D that was offered during the 70's-80's is electronically/acoustically is the most advanced choice to fit an original two pin tone arm, however like Ron Rich said, the cartridge or tone arm has to be modified to deal with the mechanical tracking (optimum--should be about 4 to 5 grams in this situation) and the vertical balance (anti-skating) of the tone arm. The simplest effective solution I've seen is to make up a small square weight (I've gone to a hardware store and used a piece of .75" x .75" key stock cut to size) glued to the top of the 345 cartridge so that it's combined weight is exactly the same as an original redhead model. This solves the anti-skate problem. For the purists, that don't want to see the added weight, the actual tone arm adjustable counterweight can be modified,but it's an involved job. The original tracking springs can usually be set to get the right tracking weight. You have to track the mono arm slightly heavier than the late-model stereo arms that used this pickup. The late model arms used a friction-free magnet and reed switch for tripoff, where the 50's jukes are tripping a microswitch. The stripper plate has 2 needle brushes, where the stiff bristles have to be slightly trimmed, in order to prevent stylus damage. If you don't take time to do this prep work, you'll find that your 345 cartridge will skip,stick and have excessive stylus wear. On the other hand, the Vern Tisdale repro cartridge comes correctly weighted,so that most of the above prep work isn't needed. Most of the 60's aftermarket ceramic element cartridges,based upon the turnover record player models, did not include corrective pad networks in the pickup in order to properly match the amp input. I believe only the Thorpe cartridge had the pad network installed. The mag cartridges are designed to work into a 47K ohm input impedance. Ceramic element cartridges like to work into very high impedance inputs, on the order of 1 meg ohm or more. If you'd like to use your red-color Wico/Varco stereo conversion cartridge, you'll get a more full-bodied sound if the 47K terminating resistor is removed and replaced with a .25 megohm resistor along with a 1 meg ohm resistor in series with the "hot" input line in the amp's first stage. These are values I experimented with that seem to work well. This will give you the best loading/sound possible with a ceramic cartridges,using a simple modification. The high output of the cramic cartridge overwhelms the amp's AVC circuit. The signal attenuation in the resistive pad will better match the AVC threshold circuit of the amp. Maybe someone else here has built a better version of this circuit they'd like to share. Given the choices discussed, I'd prefer to use in this order: A 345-07D properly installed,or the Tisdale cartridge. Either of the Seeburg stereo mag cartridges, using a transplanted late-model tone arm, A redhead with the offset .7 mil stereo-compatible needles The ceramic conversion cartridge with the chassis mods. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6uoxpcWzLgPnqouAB1Ny1GkFBav6X6E3mCAZKR9vF2rnBToNTi/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jun 20 12:20:54 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jun 20 12:23:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) Message-ID: <20090620.152054.489.2@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Pfanstiehl usually includes some cartridge lugs packed with their new pickups, however i've gotten some where they've been missing. You won't find cartridge connectors at most electronics parts houses anymore, let alone Radio Shack. If you need to buy some, you can find them online at Antique Electronic Supply, MCM Electronics, or possibly Jukebox Friday Night. Cartridge lugs are offered in several sizes/diameters. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Turn any room into a work of art. Click now for beautiful oriental rugs! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTn26JXpDQ7O4AhhZudcVl1FDCvVnW43kGutcV9vN5bW8TG9U0MgQ/ From rellis2007 at aol.com Sat Jun 20 13:25:26 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 20 13:33:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts In-Reply-To: <002a01c9f1a3$c36ca3d0$4a45eb70$@force9.co.uk> References: <588630.51999.qm@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com><003001c9e93c$57d4e750$077eb5f0$@force9.co.uk> <002301c9f18c$28c62700$7a527500$@force9.co.uk><8CBBFAF6A015271-808-1E9C@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> <002a01c9f1a3$c36ca3d0$4a45eb70$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <8CBBFFC61622AEA-1318-16F3@WEBMAIL-MB09.sysops.aol.com> Sorry about that, I should have just said Radio shack at one time it was Tandy, then some other name, I am sure Your electrical supply can help. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Pugh To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:36 am Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts Hi Doc, What is Rat Shack ? I am in the UK. The weird thing is, there is little or no heat in this area. It is at the bottom of the mech and never gets warm. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of rellis2007@aol.com Sent: 20 June 2009 12:15 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts Nigel could go to the Rat shack, try some of the jell it is for electrical connections It some how deals with heat. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Pugh To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:47 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these and know this issue only too well). However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for another few hours. My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM Rowes - same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around the LPC era. Any ideas ? Thanks Nigel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _ ______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 20 14:13:55 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Sat Jun 20 14:15:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: anyone talk with Vern Tisdale lately? In-Reply-To: <20090616.191347.18667.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090616.191347.18667.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Some people can't be bothered to write back whether it's business or not. Welcome to my world. I've had this problem with Vern in the past. I don't chase people anymore, I find someone else. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: anyone talk with Vern Tisdale lately? Hello: Has anyone on the forum communicated with Vern or Miriam Tisdale within the last 2 to 3 weeks? I've sent them orders with no response, e-mails and phone messages go unreturned. There's no news on their website about being closed for vacation. The site looks like it was last edited 6/10. This isn't like them, they are usually prompt in following up. I know that they are an older couple, coping with some health issues. I hope that they are alright. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to shop and compare great deals on new vehicles. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRWWqZ22DDfoHuQ8WSkQaog1O6AeR8Cw5OLFnRFAXjnnStQ2r0M/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Sat Jun 20 14:25:59 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Sat Jun 20 14:33:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 remote volume Message-ID: I have a wurlitzer 2610. I would like to have a remote volume control as the volume control is in the back and not easy to adjust where I have my machine. The Wurlitzer book lists a remote volume kit, I'm guessing those are not available any more. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to do this? Thanks Bryan Shaw _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing? now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 From jay at west.net Sat Jun 20 14:56:00 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Jun 20 14:57:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 remote volume In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A3D5AF0.7010201@west.net> Bryan Shaw wrote: > I have a wurlitzer 2610. I would like to have a remote volume control as the volume control is in the back and not easy to adjust where I have my machine. The Wurlitzer book lists a remote volume kit, I'm guessing those are not available any more. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to do this? It is a DC motor with gear reduction and a connecting rod to a split shaft coming out of the back of the volume control in the amplifier. There is a 5-wire cable from a terminal board to the remote volume kit. The wires are ground and 28VDC, the two wires from the motor, and the cancel button line. The remote has a cancel button and a spring-loaded center-off switch. Holding the switch one way connects voltage to the motor to turn the volume up, the other way turns it down. There's a clutch to allow the volume control to be operated manually, but it's stiffer to turn than without the kit in place. The whole assembly mounts in a square hole a few inches behind the volume control, next to the terminal strip for the remote control. A similar scheme was used by Seeburg for a while, and at least some of the motors are embossed "Rowe", but I don't think Rowe/AMI used this method on their jukes. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Jun 20 15:04:02 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Jun 20 15:05:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 remote volume In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901c9f1f3$069b7c90$13d275b0$@net> Check availability with the parts dealers that get mentioned here from time to time. I have purchased two in the past year and are very easy to connect. Basically, using the 5 wire cable, available as NOS from parts dealer follow the numbers 1-5 on the remote unit and connect to 1-5 on the amp mounted motor unit. There is a rod that connects to the motor unit and slips into a groove in the volume pot. Each is held in place with a small spring slipped down onto the ends. Your service manual might even include installation documentation. If you are interested in the parts dealer I have dealt with, please contact me offline. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Shaw Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:26 PM To: jukebox group Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 remote volume I have a wurlitzer 2610. I would like to have a remote volume control as the volume control is in the back and not easy to adjust where I have my machine. The Wurlitzer book lists a remote volume kit, I'm guessing those are not available any more. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to do this? Thanks Bryan Shaw _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try BingT now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_t ry bing_1x1_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.81/2189 - Release Date: 06/20/09 17:54:00 From webmaster at guestwho.com Sat Jun 20 16:06:10 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sat Jun 20 16:07:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 remote volume In-Reply-To: <000901c9f1f3$069b7c90$13d275b0$@net> References: <000901c9f1f3$069b7c90$13d275b0$@net> Message-ID: Is remote volume identical between 2600 and 2610 ? I could use one for my 2600 The cancel switch on the remote does what the button on the back does ? (cancels the currently playing record) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] 2610 remote volume > Check availability with the parts dealers that get mentioned here from > time > to time. I have purchased two in the past year and are very easy to > connect. Basically, using the 5 wire cable, available as NOS from parts > dealer follow the numbers 1-5 on the remote unit and connect to 1-5 on the > amp mounted motor unit. There is a rod that connects to the motor unit and > slips into a groove in the volume pot. Each is held in place with a small > spring slipped down onto the ends. Your service manual might even include > installation documentation. > > If you are interested in the parts dealer I have dealt with, please > contact > me offline. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Shaw > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:26 PM > To: jukebox group > Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 remote volume > > > I have a wurlitzer 2610. I would like to have a remote volume control as > the volume control is in the back and not easy to adjust where I have my > machine. The Wurlitzer book lists a remote volume kit, I'm guessing those > are not available any more. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to do > this? > > Thanks > > Bryan Shaw > > _________________________________________________________________ > Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try BingT now > http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_t > ry bing_1x1_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.81/2189 - Release Date: 06/20/09 > 17:54:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From edbap at aol.com Sat Jun 20 18:15:29 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 20 18:27:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] for your shop wall.... In-Reply-To: References: <000901c9f1f3$069b7c90$13d275b0$@net> Message-ID: <8CBC024E6AD7207-15EC-636E@webmail-db09.sysops.aol.com> ebay #? 150353424284 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 20 20:53:03 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 20 20:54:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts Message-ID: <352419.81001.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nigel, The male and female both are the same pin--if you have them, just dig out the old one, and replace it-- The later round style plug was the AMP "improvement". Molex came around later and is a different brand--Now there is a Moles "knock-off" called " Alex"--and I actually like the pins better the Molex--they are interchangeable. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:31 AM Sorry Ron you are right - they are AMP.? On the Rowes, after the JBM, the profile of the pin/socket was round, so Rowe must have changed their supplier around 1965. The flat ones, like you say, are the ones I want. I remember they were on the Seeburgs also, as I had an LPC480 component (Stepper possibly) and stole the connector off that as it was a nice soft blue plastic. The Rowe and Wurlitzer ones were a horrible non heat resistant white, which easily went brittle and fell to pieces. The problem in my case must be on the male, as I have replaced the female assembly with 2 spares I have, and the problem still exists. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 20 June 2009 16:32 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts Nigel, There were no "Molex" ( a brand name) connectors made when the Seeburg LPC and the Wurl 2300 were made. If you are speaking of the nylon connector using? "flat pin" (aka "Twin V") type,? that were the same for both the pin and socket, those were AMP brand connectors, and yes, it's very possible and happens quite often that the "female" socket ( has the pins that are more difficult to reach) have "gone bad". Those pins are NLA anywhere that I can find ( I searched all over for them and had a guy at AMP ( now Tyco) looking too--none found). You have a choice, either jumper around the bad pin, or change the whole plug and socket assembly-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 2:47 AM For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these and know this issue only too well). However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for another few hours. My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM Rowes - same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around the LPC era. Any ideas ? Thanks Nigel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 20 21:13:26 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 20 21:15:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 remote volume Message-ID: <694720.8798.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, "Rowe" was a motor mfg company that made both the Wurly and "burg" motors at one time or another--Had nothing to do with RoweAMi, as far as I know--and true, Rowe AMi never used a motorized VC. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 2610 remote volume To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 2:56 PM Bryan Shaw wrote: > I have a wurlitzer 2610.? I would like to have a remote volume control as the volume control is in the back and not easy to adjust where I have my machine. The Wurlitzer book lists a remote volume kit, I'm guessing those are not available any more.? Does anyone have any ideas as to how to do this? It is a DC motor with gear reduction and a connecting rod to a split shaft coming out of the back of the volume control in the amplifier. There is a 5-wire cable from a terminal board to the remote volume kit.? The wires are ground and 28VDC, the two wires from the motor, and the cancel button line. The remote has a cancel button and a spring-loaded center-off switch. Holding the switch one way connects voltage to the motor to turn the volume up, the other way turns it down.? There's a clutch to allow the volume control to be operated manually, but it's stiffer to turn than without the kit in place. The whole assembly mounts in a square hole a few inches behind the volume control, next to the terminal strip for the remote control. A similar scheme was used by Seeburg for a while, and at least some of the motors are embossed "Rowe", but I don't think Rowe/AMI used this method on their jukes. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tracron at bigpond.net.au Sat Jun 20 20:16:00 2009 From: tracron at bigpond.net.au (Ron) Date: Sat Jun 20 21:38:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts References: <588630.51999.qm@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com><003001c9e93c$57d4e750$077eb5f0$@force9.co.uk> <002301c9f18c$28c62700$7a527500$@force9.co.uk><8CBBFAF6A015271-808-1E9C@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> <002a01c9f1a3$c36ca3d0$4a45eb70$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: I have used De-Ox or similar , it should be available in any electronics parts shop. It is a two part procedure, one removes the oxidation and the next step apply a thin coating of high conductive gel. Use it on the male pins and as said before not on relays only plugs and pins. Ron from OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:36 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > Hi Doc, > > What is Rat Shack ? I am in the UK. > > The weird thing is, there is little or no heat in this area. It is at the > bottom of the mech and never gets warm. > > Nigel > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of > rellis2007@aol.com > Sent: 20 June 2009 12:15 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > Nigel > could go to the Rat shack, try some of the jell it is for electrical > connections > It some how deals with heat. > > doc ellis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nigel Pugh > To: 'Jukebox mailing list' > Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:47 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > > > For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM > Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. > The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these > and > know this issue only too well). > > However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex > type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. > > The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, > adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. > But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I > unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for > another few hours. > > My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly > conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? > > The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same > issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? > It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM > Rowes - > same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around > the > LPC era. > > Any ideas ? > > Thanks > > Nigel > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 20 21:58:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 20 21:59:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts Message-ID: <75820.42456.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ron, What are you using as the gel?? I have never seen that type of product sold here, except for "Lubrex 1205--which drys "sticky" ( takes a LONG time), and will actually pick up enough "dirt" to become non-conductive---Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:16 PM I have used De-Ox or similar , it should be available in any electronics parts shop. It is a two part procedure, one removes the oxidation and the next step apply a thin coating of high conductive gel. Use it on the male pins and as said before not on relays only plugs and pins. Ron from OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:36 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > Hi Doc, > > What is Rat Shack ? I am in the UK. > > The weird thing is, there is little or no heat in this area. It is at the > bottom of the mech and never gets warm. > > Nigel > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of > rellis2007@aol.com > Sent: 20 June 2009 12:15 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > Nigel > could go to the Rat shack, try some of the jell it is for electrical > connections > It some how deals with heat. > > doc ellis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nigel Pugh > To: 'Jukebox mailing list' > Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:47 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > > > For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM > Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. > The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these > and > know this issue only too well). > > However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex > type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. > > The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, > adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. > But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I > unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for > another few hours. > > My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly > conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? > > The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same > issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? > It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM > Rowes - > same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around > the > LPC era. > > Any ideas ? > > Thanks > > Nigel > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mmarsh16 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 20 22:18:40 2009 From: mmarsh16 at hotmail.com (Mike Marsh) Date: Sat Jun 20 22:20:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question In-Reply-To: <524330.4384.qm@web96005.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <524330.4384.qm@web96005.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi John, Yes, if you don't mind posting that, I could really use it. I'll send you an e-mail offline to work out the details. Thanks a lot. Thanks, Mike > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:08:06 -0700 > From: metrocinema@xtra.co.nz > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Hi Mike,I have a City IV manual here, can post it if it would help.... I need a city2 manual.These NSM units are a nightmare when they breakdown :-((Regards John > > --- On Sat, 20/6/09, Mike Marsh wrote: > > From: Mike Marsh > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Received: Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 4:23 AM > > > Thanks Doc. I appreciate the help, but I don't have a good schematic. I'll try searching the Internet, but if you know where I can get one or an NSM manual, I'd appreciate the help. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question > > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:03:03 -0400 > > From: rellis2007@aol.com > > > > could be almost any thing, make sure if their are any molox connectors make sure they are pluged in all the way, make sure the stereo pot may just have a bad spot. with the machine off un plug all boards and plug them back in only on the left side out put. if that doesn't help I would start to think out put transistor or some were around it like bad solder joint, bad preamp, do You have a good schematic?Most jukes I work on give little info on the schematics. > > > > good luck and hope this helps. > > > > doc ellis > > ps even check the cartridge some times one side can go bad. maybe by switching wires on it. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Marsh > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:43 pm > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Question > > > > > > > > > > i, > > I have an NSM City IV (45 version)that seems to be in relatively good shape, > > ut the other day while playing it, the Right Channel stopped working (both > > pper & lower speakers). Does that sound like the Amp went out, or how should I > > o about Troubleshooting the probable cause. I'm new to this so excuse my lack > > f info. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike > > _________________________________________________________________ > > nsert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. > > ttp://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ > > ukebox-list mailing list > > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. 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Try Bing? now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 From tracron at bigpond.net.au Sun Jun 21 04:22:20 2009 From: tracron at bigpond.net.au (Ron) Date: Sun Jun 21 04:24:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts References: <75820.42456.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The exact name is DeoxIT purchased here in OZ at Jaycar Electronics, manufacturers website http://www.deoxit.com/ The one I have is Part No. K-DG100L-2DB. Used it on a film processor PCB where the pins where corroded on the PCB and were no longer available locally and it have to be back in service quickly. Unable to clean the female connections so cleaned them with PCB cleaner only, then treated the male pins with Deox. Only use enough of the conductive fluid to apply a thin layer on the pins. Has been working for the past six months, considering the corrosion on them I am very impressed with the product. Ron from OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts Ron, What are you using as the gel? I have never seen that type of product sold here, except for "Lubrex 1205--which drys "sticky" ( takes a LONG time), and will actually pick up enough "dirt" to become non-conductive---Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:16 PM I have used De-Ox or similar , it should be available in any electronics parts shop. It is a two part procedure, one removes the oxidation and the next step apply a thin coating of high conductive gel. Use it on the male pins and as said before not on relays only plugs and pins. Ron from OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:36 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > Hi Doc, > > What is Rat Shack ? I am in the UK. > > The weird thing is, there is little or no heat in this area. It is at the > bottom of the mech and never gets warm. > > Nigel > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of > rellis2007@aol.com > Sent: 20 June 2009 12:15 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > Nigel > could go to the Rat shack, try some of the jell it is for electrical > connections > It some how deals with heat. > > doc ellis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nigel Pugh > To: 'Jukebox mailing list' > Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:47 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts > > > > For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM > Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection. > The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these > and > know this issue only too well). > > However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex > type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay. > > The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion, > adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight. > But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I > unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for > another few hours. > > My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly > conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ? > > The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same > issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor? > It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM > Rowes - > same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around > the > LPC era. > > Any ideas ? > > Thanks > > Nigel > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Sun Jun 21 04:56:32 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 21 05:03:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts In-Reply-To: References: <75820.42456.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBC07E740DFBE4-1100-5FF5@webmail-dh15.sysops.aol.com> Oz Yes, this is the same thing used on spark pluges and?electrical boxes to pervent a recaction between aluminum and copper. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:22 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts The exact name is DeoxIT purchased here in OZ at Jaycar Electronics, manufacturers website http://www.deoxit.com/? The one I have is Part No. K-DG100L-2DB.? Used it on a film processor PCB where the pins where corroded on the PCB and were no longer available locally and it have to be back in service quickly.? Unable to clean the female connections so cleaned them with PCB cleaner only, then treated the male pins with Deox.? Only use enough of the conductive fluid to apply a thin layer on the pins.? Has been working for the past six months, considering the corrosion on them I am very impressed with the product.? Ron from OZ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" ? To: "Jukebox mailing list" ? Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 2:58 PM? Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts? ? Ron,? What are you using as the gel? I have never seen that type of product sold here, except for "Lubrex 1205--which drys "sticky" ( takes a LONG time), and will actually pick up enough "dirt" to become non-conductive---Ron Rich? ? --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Ron wrote:? ? From: Ron ? Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts? To: "Jukebox mailing list" ? Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:16 PM? ? I have used De-Ox or similar , it should be available in any electronics? parts shop.? It is a two part procedure, one removes the oxidation and the next step? apply a thin coating of high conductive gel.? Use it on the male pins and as said before not on relays only plugs and? pins.? Ron from OZ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" ? To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" ? Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:36 PM? Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts? ? > Hi Doc,? >? > What is Rat Shack ? I am in the UK.? >? > The weird thing is, there is little or no heat in this area. It is at the? > bottom of the mech and never gets warm.? >? > Nigel? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com? > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of? > rellis2007@aol.com? > Sent: 20 June 2009 12:15? > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts? >? > Nigel? > could go to the Rat shack, try some of the jell it is for electrical? > connections? > It some how deals with heat.? >? > doc ellis? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: Nigel Pugh ? > To: 'Jukebox mailing list' ? > Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:47 am? > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts? >? >? >? > For the last year or so I've been pulling my hair out with my Rowe JBM? > Tropicana occasionally jumping and playing the next selection.? > The problem is NONE of the usual suspects. (I've repaired 100s of these? > and? > know this issue only too well).? >? > However. I think I have now narrowed it down to poor contacts in a Molex? > type connector that joins the mech to the R1 relay.? >? > The thing is, the contacts are perfect. Clean, grease free, no corrosion,? > adjusted correctly, and sit nice and tight.? > But, the problem occurs after the machine has been on for a few hours. I? > unplug this connector (to the R1 relay) and re-seat it and all is well for? > another few hours.? >? > My question is.. Is it possible for the actual push connections to poorly? > conduct electricity, almost like a dry joint ?? >? > The problem is not in the female as I can replace that and get the same? > issue. So must be in the male plug. Can connections go poor?? > It's the common 12 pin rectangular Molex used in the JAL/JEL and JBM? > Rowes -? > same as the ones on a Wurlitzer 2300 under the mech, and Seeburgs around? > the? > LPC era.? >? > Any ideas ?? >? > Thanks? >? > Nigel? >? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? >? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? >? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? >? ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? ? ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 21 07:14:36 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Sun Jun 21 07:16:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? Message-ID: <846206.1672.qm@web63208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I'm looking for some misc. parts for my jukebox;so if you have one of these you're parting out(or know of one) please let me know.The parts I need include the following: - the top plastic piece to the title?page housing - a cash door with a working lock & key - 2 of those round rubber bushings that go under the springs( under the CD player mechanism) - paint code (????) to match the silver/gray (?) paint to the cabinet door on top & also the code for the black cabinet paint There are some other misc. things but that's all I can remember right now.Thanks in advance if you can help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball From ccos at knology.net Sun Jun 21 07:25:33 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sun Jun 21 07:27:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? In-Reply-To: <846206.1672.qm@web63208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <846206.1672.qm@web63208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7174DB0691C44B25BA69059D28C4E692@CCOSPC> Ken, I most likely have most of what you need, except paint codes. Call me Monday if you like. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? I'm looking for some misc. parts for my jukebox;so if you have one of these you're parting out(or know of one) please let me know.The parts I need include the following: - the top plastic piece to the title page housing - a cash door with a working lock & key - 2 of those round rubber bushings that go under the springs( under the CD player mechanism) - paint code (????) to match the silver/gray (?) paint to the cabinet door on top & also the code for the black cabinet paint There are some other misc. things but that's all I can remember right now.Thanks in advance if you can help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 21 08:35:39 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jun 21 08:37:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? Message-ID: <458137.24992.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Didja check with your local Rowe Distrib, or Rowe themselves--best if you look up parts numbers in the book first--they are probably still available ! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 7:14 AM I'm looking for some misc. parts for my jukebox;so if you have one of these you're parting out(or know of one) please let me know.The parts I need include the following: - the top plastic piece to the title?page housing - a cash door with a working lock & key - 2 of those round rubber bushings that go under the springs( under the CD player mechanism) - paint code (????) to match the silver/gray (?) paint to the cabinet door on top & also the code for the black cabinet paint There are some other misc. things but that's all I can remember right now.Thanks in advance if you can help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Jun 20 10:37:45 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Jun 21 09:28:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dry Joints / Contacts In-Reply-To: <04EDDE40CB014A73824E389FB3DD335E@yoursfed8st9p2> References: <003601c9f1af$c5d68170$51838450$@force9.co.uk> <04EDDE40CB014A73824E389FB3DD335E@yoursfed8st9p2> Message-ID: <001801c9f1cd$d2363f50$76a2bdf0$@force9.co.uk> Thanks for everyone's input on this. It's been really useful. My plan is to try Vaseline (quick fix as I have some to smear on the alloys of my camper van), and if that doesn't work I'll jumper the connections so the plug is bypassed for the offending cables. Regards Nigel From rondavis at btconnect.com Thu Jun 18 23:06:23 2009 From: rondavis at btconnect.com (Ron Davis) Date: Sun Jun 21 09:29:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] FW: Rock-Ola Princess Model 435 Message-ID: <8A1BD689E91D44F39814F5F08ABE1AAC@roda9566e4e66f> _____ From: Ron Davis [mailto:rondavis@btconnect.com] Sent: 18 June 2009 15:08 To: 'jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com' Subject: Rock-Ola Princess Model 435 I have a good working Princess 435 but I need to replace some of the selector buttons. Can anyone help please? Ron Davis From rondavis at btconnect.com Sat Jun 20 07:38:01 2009 From: rondavis at btconnect.com (Ron Davis) Date: Sun Jun 21 09:29:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princess 435 In-Reply-To: <8CBBFB613BEC503-808-1F3F@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBBFB613BEC503-808-1F3F@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3F79E118771540D394CCF0FE5EFA8A1F@roda9566e4e66f> Hi, Thanks for that doc. I have sent them an e-mail with a couple of photos to help. I eagerly await their reply. Ron Davis _____ From: rellis2007@aol.com [mailto:rellis2007@aol.com] Sent: 20 June 2009 15:02 To: ron@rondavismarine.co.uk; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princess 435 Try Victory glass. doc -----Original Message----- From: Ron Davis To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: ron@rondavismarine.co.uk Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:49 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princess 435 Hi All, I have a good working Princess 435 but I need some replacement selector buttons. Can anyone help please. Ron Davis _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _____ Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jun 21 09:34:58 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jun 21 09:38:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: anyone talk with Vern Tisdale lately? Message-ID: <20090621.123458.27486.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen; It turns out that the Tisdales went out of town for 2 weeks and forgot to post anything about it on their site. I agree, businesswise that's not a prudent way to handle an internet based business. I was personally concerned that something happened because I know they're an older couple,dealing with some serious health issues. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Learn digital and video photography techniques, lighting and printing. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYb0jSZdtsi52KfiThExr97ujA7N8DKTLl5RN0tQDVQAfX0xVIjWCk/ From recordhound at verizon.net Sun Jun 21 19:02:16 2009 From: recordhound at verizon.net (Jim Day (the "Record Hound")) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:06:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] STOLEN JUKEBOXES ALERT ! Message-ID: <0306CAD3A6B244CFB9B10EF39F7BB20A@recordhound> Greetings everyone - This is Jimmy and Alex Day, we are regular readers here. I also run the Yahoo Wurlitzer Group, where I also posted this message. Afraid I have a bit of bad news, we have had several jukeboxes stolen. I am posting this knowing that it is read around the world, although we have since received a text from this person and he apparently is holding the jukes "hostage". However, if he should try to sell them, or if anyone suddenly needs "help with their new jukebox" then maybe it may raise a red flag. We have a police investigation underway and this person also scammed several others, has a long record, and will hopefully be caught soon. The jukeboxes were taken from our house in Green Cove Springs FL (outside Jacksonville/Orange Park FL) a week or so ago. The house was a rental and apparently the latest "tenant" decided he would like to have them. Stolen - AMI Continental 2 in excellent unrestored condition (200 select, has the "R" in "StereoRound" loose), Seeburg A in pieces, a Super Rocket (RockOla 1434), in pieces, and a Seeburg PhonoJet, complete but not working. He also took computer stuff. We have a police report and are in touch with a County Detective. The "thief" also ripped off several others, masquerading as the landlord and taking cash and renting the house to 4 other people! But that's a whole nother story. What nerve! I know we are a tightly-knit bunch and we look out for each other. Please keep a lookout for these. The Seeburg A and RockOla I don't get - they were in pieces, the RockOla did not even have its cabinet refinished. The mechs were sitting in cardboard boxes. The Continental 2 may turn up somewhere, maybe on eBay or Craigslist. Thanks to everyone for their help! *jim and alex From ejoh100112 at aol.com Sun Jun 21 20:19:06 2009 From: ejoh100112 at aol.com (ejoh100112@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:28:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] STOLEN JUKEBOXES ALERT ! In-Reply-To: <0306CAD3A6B244CFB9B10EF39F7BB20A@recordhound> References: <0306CAD3A6B244CFB9B10EF39F7BB20A@recordhound> Message-ID: <8CBC0FF55C46298-1698-5D6@WEBMAIL-DG11.sim.aol.com> Sounds like dumb thieves or desperate. If disparate check with your local scrap iron dealer. They might have parted them for the iron. Also see if your air conditioner is still there. A lot of those being ripped off for scrap around here, Ed -----Original Message----- From: Jim Day (the "Record Hound") To: Jukebox List Sent: Sun, Jun 21, 2009 9:02 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] STOLEN JUKEBOXES ALERT ! Greetings everyone - This is Jimmy and Alex Day, we are regular readers here. I also run the Yahoo Wurlitzer Group, where I also posted this message. Afraid I have a bit of bad news, we have had several jukeboxes stolen. I am posting this knowing that it is read around the world, although we have since received a text from this person and he apparently is holding the jukes "hostage". However, if he should try to sell them, or if anyone suddenly needs "help with their new jukebox" then maybe it may raise a red flag. We have a police investigation underway and this person also scammed several others, has a long record, and will hopefully be caught soon. The jukeboxes were taken from our house in Green Cove Springs FL (outside Jacksonville/Orange Park FL) a week or so ago. The house was a rental and apparently the latest "tenant" decided he would like to have them. Stolen - AMI Continental 2 in excellent unrestored condition (200 select, has the "R" in "StereoRound" loose), Seeburg A in pieces, a Super Rocket (RockOla 1434), in pieces, and a Seeburg PhonoJet, complete but not working. He also took computer stuff. We have a police report and are in touch with a County Detective. The "thief" also ripped off several others, masquerading as the landlord and taking cash and renting the house to 4 other people! But that's a whole nother story. What nerve! I know we are a tightly-knit bunch and we look out for each other. Please keep a lookout for these. The Seeburg A and RockOla I don't get - they were in pieces, the RockOla did not even have its cabinet refinished. The mechs were sitting in cardboard boxes. The Continental 2 may turn up somewhere, maybe on eBay or Craigslist. Thanks to everyone for their help! *jim and alex _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Sun Jun 21 20:43:30 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:51:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] STOLEN JUKEBOXES ALERT ! In-Reply-To: <8CBC0FF55C46298-1698-5D6@WEBMAIL-DG11.sim.aol.com> References: <0306CAD3A6B244CFB9B10EF39F7BB20A@recordhound> <8CBC0FF55C46298-1698-5D6@WEBMAIL-DG11.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBC102BE47276A-A70-ED2@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com> Maybe a few well placed "jukebox wanted" ads would be a good idea.....WANTED CONTINENTAL........ -----Original Message----- From: ejoh100112@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sun, Jun 21, 2009 8:19 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] STOLEN JUKEBOXES ALERT ! Sounds like dumb thieves or desperate. If disparate check with your local scrap iron dealer. They might have parted them for the iron. Also see if your air conditioner is still there. A lot of those being ripped off for scrap around here, Ed -----Original Message----- From: Jim Day (the "Record Hound") To: Jukebox List Sent: Sun, Jun 21, 2009 9:02 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] STOLEN JUKEBOXES ALERT ! Greetings everyone - This is Jimmy and Alex Day, we are regular readers here. I also run the Yahoo Wurlitzer Group, where I also posted this message. Afraid I have a bit of bad news, we have had several jukeboxes stolen. I am posting this knowing that it is read around the world, although we have since received a text from this person and he apparently is holding the jukes "hostage". However, if he should try to sell them, or if anyone suddenly needs "help with their new jukebox" then maybe it may raise a red flag. We have a police investigation underway and this person also scammed several others, has a long record, and will hopefully be caught soon. The jukeboxes were taken from our house in Green Cove Springs FL (outside Jacksonville/Orange Park FL) a week or so ago. The house was a rental and apparently the latest "tenant" decided he would like to have them. Stolen - AMI Continental 2 in excellent unrestored condition (200 select, has the "R" in "StereoRound" loose), Seeburg A in pieces, a Super Rocket (RockOla 1434), in pieces, and a Seeburg PhonoJet, complete but not working. He also took computer stuff. We have a police report and are in touch with a County Detective. The "thief" also ripped off several others, masquerading as the landlord and taking cash and renting the house to 4 other people! But that's a whole nother story. What nerve! I know we are a tightly-knit bunch and we look out for each other. Please keep a lookout for these. The Seeburg A and RockOla I don't get - they w ere in pieces, the RockOla did not even have its cabinet refinished. The mechs were sitting in cardboard boxes. The Continental 2 may turn up somewhere, maybe on eBay or Craigslist. Thanks to everyone for their help! *jim and alex _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 22 07:39:19 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 22 07:43:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] STOLEN JUKEBOXES ALERT ! Message-ID: <20090622.103919.27342.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jimmy and Alex: I don't know if this is helpful to you, because it doesn't fit the time-line of your theft. About 3 months ago I was approached (I'm in suburban Atlanta, GA) to purchase a fixer-upper,non-working AMI Continental II. The seller had no other machines. This Continental was a 200-play stereo model w/keyboard where the top title casting was all loose but not broken. The Continental, stereo round graphics were damaged and cooked out from sunlight exposure. There was an old operator's sticker inside with a S. Florida address. The machine's chrome parts had a bubbled finish that had a bad-quality maroon and black paint job. The machine was complete,but had the wrong amp in it (from another AMI model) The guy selling it seemed to know this was a hard to find collectible unit and was asking big $$$ for it. On the surface, it seemed like a shady deal,and I didn't buy it. I do have a phone number for the seller. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Learn the Six Sigma approach and become certified. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYeRkRhPAtzNDFLUDRWdlASeVrXhk8bVSFxvxxubW2qX7ZHzVfctXK/ From steve at pro-ns.net Mon Jun 22 07:49:41 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Mon Jun 22 08:10:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) In-Reply-To: <803330400906191906h7a8977a6o7f9360d02a0b76f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <803330400906191006k48b3ab7aoe1c4086a6dcc5f5f@mail.gmail.com> <803330400906191341x583205e8g3a888c17f1e1c85e@mail.gmail.com> <4D8D1627E9D34E638A0242146CA470B6@yoursz6x6sefxo> <803330400906191906h7a8977a6o7f9360d02a0b76f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090622144941.GD10588@pro-ns.net> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 09:06:40PM -0500, JE wrote: > I hooked up the a/c plug to the old cartridge and tried out the amp. I have no experience with early Wurlitzers, or 78 players in general, for that matter. But you guys have me curious. This a/c plug you keep talking about hooking to the cartridge. Am I to understand that Wurlitzer used a regular two-prong connector, like a U.S. 117 volts AC plug that we plug lamps and cell phone chargers and toasters and computers into, to connect the low voltage audio signal in these models? Or is this a term for another connector that is confusing me? Thanks in advance for straightening me out! --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Surely you're not writing scripts in csh. That's like building a fire escape out of balsa-wood and painting it with thermite. -- Peter da Silva From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jun 22 08:46:43 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jun 22 08:48:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) Message-ID: <977783.95498.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Steve, Yep--a "standard" 110vac cap and socket !!!!? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Steve Wahl wrote: From: Steve Wahl Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Tone Arm questions (for dummies) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 7:49 AM On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 09:06:40PM -0500, JE wrote: > I hooked up the a/c plug to the old cartridge and tried out the amp. I have no experience with early Wurlitzers, or 78 players in general, for that matter.? But you guys have me curious. This a/c plug you keep talking about hooking to the cartridge.? Am I to understand that Wurlitzer used a regular two-prong connector, like a U.S. 117 volts AC plug that we plug lamps and cell phone chargers and toasters and computers into, to connect the low voltage audio signal in these models?? Or is this a term for another connector that is confusing me? Thanks in advance for straightening me out! --> Steve -- Steve Wahl? ? steve@pro-ns.net Surely you're not writing scripts in csh.? That's like building a fire escape out of balsa-wood and painting it with thermite. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Peter da Silva _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Mon Jun 22 09:17:07 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Mon Jun 22 09:18:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement selector buttons for Seeburg Message-ID: <001101c9f354$e3c34f00$ab49ed00$@cummings4738@att.net> I'm pretty sure they don't exist, since I haven't seen them anywhere, but thought I'd ask. Is anyone aware of a supplier offering replacement buttons for the "standard" Seeburg selector bank. I'm referring to the 2x10 arrangement in the A-whenever as well as the 100 select wallboxes. It just seems like this would be a highly sought after product, especially for folks doing top-quality restorations. Even with some high quality Novus polishing, old buttons still look old. There certainly has to be more interest in this product than many of the other repro parts offered. And for what the occasional NOS set goes for on eBay, I can imagine the provider being able to charge a pretty good dollar for them as well. Has anyone seen this offered? Scott From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 22 10:14:59 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 22 10:19:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement selector buttons for Seeburg Message-ID: <20090622.131459.1646.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Hello Scott: Go to Victory Glass and look at their reproduction part number 50-6520. web: www.victoryglass.com I think this is what you are looking for. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Meet active single Seniors for fun romance. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8KV8DNp6Stu6ZOY8NRN7SIKxgqMfzFYJr6OeCULNoNXno7JcM/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jun 22 11:56:04 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jun 22 11:57:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement selector buttons for Seeburg Message-ID: <275328.86955.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, Didja check with Victory Glass, I heard some time ago that they were "acommming"--BTW There are TWO different "standards"--those with the number "10" and the later ones ( for WOM use only) with a "0".-- -and the third style for use on the 3W-100. ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement selector buttons for Seeburg To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 9:17 AM I'm pretty sure they don't exist, since I haven't seen them anywhere, but thought I'd ask. Is anyone aware of a supplier offering replacement buttons for the "standard" Seeburg selector bank.? I'm referring to the 2x10 arrangement in the A-whenever as well as the 100 select wallboxes.? It just seems like this would be a highly sought after product, especially for folks doing top-quality restorations.? Even with some high quality Novus polishing, old buttons still look old.? There certainly has to be more interest in this product than many of the other repro parts offered.? And for what the occasional NOS set goes for on eBay, I can imagine the provider being able to charge a pretty good dollar for them as well. Has anyone seen this offered? Scott _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Mon Jun 22 10:47:16 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Mon Jun 22 12:01:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement selector buttons for Seeburg Message-ID: <839618455-1245697187-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-46473314-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Ha! Good call! Didn't come up when I was searching (or ordering last week, which is upsetting because I now have to pay for double shipping). Contacted them and they informed me that they are now in stock as well, despite the description. Thanks for the info! ------Original Message------ From: James Alexander Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Replacement selector buttons for Seeburg Sent: Jun 22, 2009 12:14 PM Hello Scott: Go to Victory Glass and look at their reproduction part number 50-6520. web: www.victoryglass.com I think this is what you are looking for. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Meet active single Seniors for fun romance. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8KV8DNp6Stu6ZOY8NRN7SIKxgqMfzFYJr6OeCULNoNXno7JcM/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Mon Jun 22 14:16:36 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jun 22 14:18:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement selector buttons for Seeburg In-Reply-To: <275328.86955.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <275328.86955.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A3FF4B4.8050406@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Scott, > Didja check with Victory Glass, I heard some time ago that they were "acommming"--BTW There are TWO different "standards"--those with the number "10" and the later ones ( for WOM use only) with a "0".-- -and the third style for use on the 3W-100. Ron Rich There are also different color schemes. The very early ones were red plastic with white legends, then white plastic with red legends, and I think white with green for the 200-select wallboxes. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 22 15:50:11 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:51:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frank Hamwey Message-ID: Hi everyone, just wanted to mention that even though I could / should have done it myself, I opted to have Frank Hamwey cover the mech portion of my ongoing 1015 resto project. I have seen his name in always jukin, and also heard of him through a guy I know who has a model 600 that Frank had done the mech on. Let me just say that the man is an artist. When I opened the box and slid the PVC shipping frame out, there was this beautifully restored piece of machinery. Very meticulosly done from every angle. He obviously takes pride in what he does. Best part is he is a pleasant guy to chat with on the phone, and will take the time to answer all your questions. Because this 1015 resto is for myself, I wanted everything to be perfect. Frank certainly held up his end in making that happen. I highly recommend him to anyone. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jun 22 15:52:30 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:54:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement selector buttons for Seeburg Message-ID: <100109.31735.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, You're right--the "A" (along with the 3W1, for that year) came with the red background and the number or letter "engraved" and painted white. the "B" (and WOM) came with red buttons and white covers, which made the lettering red. Green ones, with white covers, were used in all versions of 160/200 WOM's prior to the "SC" -"Consolette"- which were originally white with black letters, then they changed it to black buttons, with white "covers"--which made the letters/numbers black---"Someone" was "justifing" his job ??? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Replacement selector buttons for Seeburg To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 2:16 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Scott, > Didja check with Victory Glass, I heard some time ago that they were "acommming"--BTW There are TWO different "standards"--those with the number "10" and the later ones ( for WOM use only) with a "0".-- -and the third style for use on the 3W-100.???Ron Rich There are also different color schemes.? The very early ones were red plastic with white legends, then white plastic with red legends, and I think white with green for the 200-select wallboxes. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Mon Jun 22 16:44:33 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Mon Jun 22 16:46:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Electrovoice speakers! Message-ID: <907984.5465.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Wanted to let all those that have jukes.. to buy Electrovoice speakers. Especially vintage ones.. anyone that owns an AMI Model G can testify how nice they sound. Want your juke to pound out the bass and highs get an Electrovoice speaker Tweeter and woofer or full range). If you can afford them.. there is no better.. ? Regards, Tony __________________________________________________________________ Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ From jugert at msn.com Mon Jun 22 18:04:30 2009 From: jugert at msn.com (jugert@msn.com) Date: Mon Jun 22 18:11:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frank Hamwey msg back to Rick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick can you send contact info on Frank Hamwey. I have an 850 that I would like to send him. I used to have someone in Colorado that rebuild wurly mechs just as nice as Franks but he is unable to do them anymore, lost most of his eyesight. Why don't you show your mech off and post us a pic? thanks in advance Don Jugert Colorado > From: gibson510@hotmail.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:50:11 -0400 > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frank Hamwey > > > Hi everyone, just wanted to mention that even though I could / should have done it myself, I opted to have Frank Hamwey cover the mech portion of my ongoing 1015 resto project. I have seen his name in always jukin, and also heard of him through a guy I know who has a model 600 that Frank had done the mech on. Let me just say that the man is an artist. When I opened the box and slid the PVC shipping frame out, there was this beautifully restored piece of machinery. Very meticulosly done from every angle. He obviously takes pride in what he does. Best part is he is a pleasant guy to chat with on the phone, and will take the time to answer all your questions. Because this 1015 resto is for myself, I wanted everything to be perfect. Frank certainly held up his end in making that happen. I highly recommend him to anyone. > > Rick > > _________________________________________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From PhilcoKid2 at cs.com Mon Jun 22 20:50:45 2009 From: PhilcoKid2 at cs.com (PhilcoKid2@cs.com) Date: Mon Jun 22 20:55:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frank Hamwey msg back to Rick Message-ID: Franks address is Frank Hamwey 4985 Harvey Grant Rd. Fleming Island, FL 32003 904-278-2772 I just finished installing a 1015 mech he rebuild. The man is an artist..... Donald Cochrane Aladdin Radio2 From s.cummings4738 at att.net Mon Jun 22 20:57:52 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Mon Jun 22 21:00:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frank Hamwey msg back to Rick Message-ID: <478671771-1245729530-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-276842806-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Does he only do Wurlis? ------Original Message------ From: PhilcoKid2@cs.com Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Frank Hamwey msg back to Rick Sent: Jun 22, 2009 10:50 PM Franks address is Frank Hamwey 4985 Harvey Grant Rd. Fleming Island, FL 32003 904-278-2772 I just finished installing a 1015 mech he rebuild. The man is an artist..... Donald Cochrane Aladdin Radio2 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Jun 22 22:26:04 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Mon Jun 22 22:27:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parting out NSM Satellite 200 Message-ID: <000d01c9f3c3$1b5fb840$521f28c0$@net> I am parting out a compete NSM Satellite 200. Here is a link to pics of the juke. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/NSM/Satellite200/ Please contact me off list for your Satellite 200 needs. Rich From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 23 04:58:48 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Tue Jun 23 05:00:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? Message-ID: <956477.34491.qm@web63203.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Ya know I still have the part manual in the back of the service book;but the rubber bushings I mentioned aren't listed in the parts manual.I would love to get some touch up paint for the silver/gray on the top of the cabinet;not so much worried about the black on the cabinet right now.I will try rowe's site later,but I have a suspicion the juke is too 'old' for their site.Someone out there must be parting one of these out.....hehe.....and the local dist.'s don't carry anything either unless it's parts for the coin & $$ mechanisms.Is there a jukebox classifieds site like they have for the pinball machines?? Thanks! and still looking.......... Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 11:35 AM Didja check with your local Rowe Distrib, or Rowe themselves--best if you look up parts numbers in the book first--they are probably still available ! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 7:14 AM I'm looking for some misc. parts for my jukebox;so if you have one of these you're parting out(or know of one) please let me know.The parts I need include the following: - the top plastic piece to the title?page housing - a cash door with a working lock & key - 2 of those round rubber bushings that go under the springs( under the CD player mechanism) - paint code (????) to match the silver/gray (?) paint to the cabinet door on top & also the code for the black cabinet paint There are some other misc. things but that's all I can remember right now.Thanks in advance if you can help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dppe at inebraska.com Tue Jun 23 06:43:55 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Tue Jun 23 06:45:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do you change the turntable belt on a 1959 Wurlitzer 2304? (Jukebox for dummies) Message-ID: <0f94715e4dcf299852d65e4cddfc7a40@inebraska.com> Sorry to ask this dumb question, but I'm all thumbs when it comes to jukeboxes. How do you change the belt on the Wurlitzer 2304? Can you substitute anything for a regular jukebox rubber band? Thanks! Dana From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jun 23 07:33:32 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jun 23 07:37:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do you change the turntable belt on a 1959 Wurl itzer 2304? (Jukebox for dummies) Message-ID: <20090623.103332.15947.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Dana: I'm assuming that you are talking about the turntable drive belt that can be seen from the rear of the machine. The repl.belt needs to be threaded through the center spindle 'fingers" in the center of the flywheel. You will find that you can carefully move them inward-outward with your hand. This will give you the clearance to remove/install the belt. The record changer should be in the "at rest" position when you do this. You need to buy the correct replacement belt for your machine.It is a critical part for correct operation.. Original belts are no longer available, but several makers replicate all the Wurlitzer replacement belts. I believe that the same belt number is used for 45 RPM only models 1700 thru 2400. Other wurl. carousel-changer juke models use belts that are of different length and thicknesses. Buying/installing the wrong belt can cause some turntable speedand tension problems. You can find repl. belts at several of the supply houses that support the jukebox hobby. These would include Victory glass, needles4jukeboxes.com, Vern Tisdale, plus others. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to compare prices and features on point of sale systems. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRPTnNaRcNRaOaavn2I4iuOtcM5VWUPQjDYp6sQCmh1a3I8EXYPS4/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jun 23 08:11:54 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jun 23 08:14:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Electrovoice speakers! Message-ID: <20090623.111154.29490.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> There are several makes of speakers/drivers used in the pro sound business that will generally present an improvement to jukebox performance over the originally installed speaker equipment. Most of these drive units are intended for high performance applications and will be rather costly. In addition to ElectroVoice, there is Altec, James B Lansing, Tannoy and Radian. There are lesser-known brands like Eminence, and Community. It is possible to get really good sound performance when buying generic-make speakers,but you need to know exactly what you're buying first. When replacing/upgrading jukebox speakers it is important to match the speaker's operating specifications to the application. In general, woofers with low resonance cones, long-travel foam surrounds, etc are a bad fit for most juke applications. They need to be full range woofers with stiff cone asemblies and folded paper surrounds. Compression drivers for horns should be models with aluminum or titanium diaphragms rather than the phenolic/plastic ones. if you are installing EV 8" woofers with high resonance cones and an EV metal diaphragm driver onto the horn in your AMI G120 or 200, you will probably pick up several db of additional loudness capability along with the wider freq. response. To get the most out of your "hi-perf" speaker system, you should make sure that your amp is in top-operating condition (recently rebuilt, good tubes,etc) and that you are using the best cartridge/ stylus setup. for accurate sound. This would be either the Pickering NP/AC or Shure M44C stereo mag cartridges, replacing the original GE mono model. Little tweaks like this will really be noticed with an extended speaker system. An analog audio signal is like a chain--it will be as strong as it's weakest link. Jim Alexander Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVv6ytIpIQPDuQb4nJlTylMFlDAGag6UW2DGI3OChnZTdlzZ6gUMI/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jun 23 08:35:25 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jun 23 08:37:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Frank Hamwey msg back to Rick Message-ID: <490361.33563.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes--Wurly "24's"? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Frank Hamwey msg back to Rick To: "Jukebox List" Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 8:57 PM Does he only do Wurlis? ------Original Message------ From: PhilcoKid2@cs.com Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Frank Hamwey? msg back to Rick Sent: Jun 22, 2009 10:50 PM Franks address is Frank Hamwey 4985 Harvey Grant Rd. Fleming Island, FL? 32003 904-278-2772 I just finished installing a 1015 mech he rebuild.? The man is an artist..... Donald Cochrane Aladdin Radio2 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jun 23 09:03:49 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jun 23 09:05:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? Message-ID: <129051.10657.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ken, If you are speaking of the large "rubber cone" that fits into the springs on the whole mechanism, and NOT the ones for the CDM itself, they are Rowe part #21153701. Rowe calls them "spring support (lower). Ron Rich --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 4:58 AM Ya know I still have the part manual in the back of the service book;but the rubber bushings I mentioned aren't listed in the parts manual.I would love to get some touch up paint for the silver/gray on the top of the cabinet;not so much worried about the black on the cabinet right now.I will try rowe's site later,but I have a suspicion the juke is too 'old' for their site.Someone out there must be parting one of these out.....hehe.....and the local dist.'s don't carry anything either unless it's parts for the coin & $$ mechanisms.Is there a jukebox classifieds site like they have for the pinball machines?? Thanks! and still looking.......... Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 11:35 AM Didja check with your local Rowe Distrib, or Rowe themselves--best if you look up parts numbers in the book first--they are probably still available ! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 7:14 AM I'm looking for some misc. parts for my jukebox;so if you have one of these you're parting out(or know of one) please let me know.The parts I need include the following: - the top plastic piece to the title?page housing - a cash door with a working lock & key - 2 of those round rubber bushings that go under the springs( under the CD player mechanism) - paint code (????) to match the silver/gray (?) paint to the cabinet door on top & also the code for the black cabinet paint There are some other misc. things but that's all I can remember right now.Thanks in advance if you can help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jun 23 09:09:10 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jun 23 09:10:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do you change the turntable belt on a 1959 Wurlitzer 2304? (Jukebox for dummies) Message-ID: <615178.36358.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dana, "Very carefully"--All kidding aside, you just kinda "worm" it around--then wipe the oil off it ! The service manual may be of some help--and BTW--it ain't a "rubber band"--it's a very specific size and type. It can be purchased at www.needles4jukes.com ( or jukeboxparts.com--jump to "needles" at bottom of home page) Ron Rich --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Dana wrote: From: Dana Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do you change the turntable belt on a 1959 Wurlitzer 2304? (Jukebox for dummies) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 6:43 AM Sorry to ask this dumb question, but I'm all thumbs when it comes to jukeboxes.? How do you change the belt on the Wurlitzer 2304? Can you substitute anything for a regular jukebox rubber band?? Thanks!? Dana? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jun 23 09:20:25 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jun 23 09:22:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Electrovoice speakers! Message-ID: <1615.33115.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Electrovoice speakers! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 8:11 AM There are several makes of speakers/drivers used in the pro sound business that will generally present an improvement to jukebox performance over the originally installed speaker equipment.???Most of these drive units are intended for high performance applications and will be rather costly.??? In addition to ElectroVoice, there is Altec, James B Lansing, Tannoy and Radian.???There are lesser-known brands like Eminence, and Community.? It is possible to get really good sound performance when buying generic-make speakers,but you need to know exactly what you're buying first.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???When replacing/upgrading jukebox speakers it is important to match the speaker's operating specifications to the application.? ? In general, woofers with low resonance cones, long-travel foam surrounds, etc are a bad fit for most juke applications. They need to be full range woofers with stiff cone asemblies and folded paper surrounds.? Compression drivers for horns should be models with aluminum or titanium diaphragms rather than the phenolic/plastic ones. if you are installing EV 8" woofers with high resonance cones and an EV metal diaphragm driver onto the horn in your AMI G120 or 200, you will probably pick up several db of additional loudness capability along with the wider freq. response.???To get the most out of your "hi-perf" speaker system, you should make sure that your amp is in top-operating condition? (recently rebuilt, good tubes,etc) and that you are using the best cartridge/ stylus setup. for accurate sound.? This would be either the Pickering NP/AC or Shure M44C stereo mag cartridges, replacing the original GE mono model.???Little tweaks like this will really be noticed with an extended speaker system.???An analog audio signal is like a chain--it will be as strong as it's weakest link. Jim Alexander Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVv6ytIpIQPDuQb4nJlTylMFlDAGag6UW2DGI3OChnZTdlzZ6gUMI/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dppe at inebraska.com Tue Jun 23 12:29:43 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Tue Jun 23 12:31:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do you change the turntable belt on a 1959 Wurlitzer 2304? (Jukebox for dummies) In-Reply-To: <615178.36358.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <615178.36358.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8c4b4e34985d46c54bf2c731caa649a7@inebraska.com> Jim and Ron, Thanks for your advice. I did get a black turntable belt (looks like an "o" ring) from Victory Glass. Just wondered if a substitute can be purchased locally, but from your comments it sounds like that is not a possible or wise option. Thanks, Dana On Jun 23, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > Dana, > "Very carefully"--All kidding aside, you just kinda "worm" it > around--then wipe the oil off it ! The service manual may be of some > help--and BTW--it ain't a "rubber band"--it's a very specific size and > type. It can be purchased at www.needles4jukes.com ( or > jukeboxparts.com--jump to "needles" at bottom of home page) Ron > Rich > > --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Dana wrote: > > From: Dana > Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do you change the turntable belt on a 1959 > Wurlitzer 2304? (Jukebox for dummies) > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 6:43 AM > > Sorry to ask this dumb question, but I'm all thumbs when it comes to > jukeboxes.? How do you change the belt on the Wurlitzer 2304? > Can you substitute anything for a regular jukebox rubber band?? > Thanks!? Dana? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jun 23 12:52:40 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jun 23 12:55:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do you change the turntable belt on a 1959 Wurl itzer 2304? (Jukebox for dummies) Message-ID: <20090623.155240.16646.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Dana: Hopefully you bought the right belt from Victory Glass. I know they have the correct model you need for sale. If your 2304 is a 45 RPM only model, you should have Victory Glass part no 1-1408. As Ron R. recommended, while you have the belt removed, use the occasion to clean the flywheel and motor pulley surfaces of any dirt,oil and gunk. After using a cleaning chemical on the surfaces, clean them again with rubbing alcohol in order not to contaminate your new belt. You may get the belt surface dirty with oil, grease as you thread it onto the flywheel.. Clean the belt itself with rubbing alcohol, then dry it off. This will help lengthen the belt life a little. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Always a good call. Click now to establish your local phone service! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYUjWMiQ5mEIFTFxvI0WI2bz0imQBnQD9QJsWpmX7IS73UMnnHob76/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 23 15:30:11 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick) Date: Tue Jun 23 15:40:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Photo album for you from rick on Windows Live Message-ID: <856A30E4B6744D2C9CA4035E8D473635@phx.gbl> rick is sharing the photo album jukepics with you. View album "Here is the link to my new mech by Frank Hamwey, and also of a Model 61 that I just finished restoring for the president of my wife's company. Frank is currently rebuilding the mech for it also. Thanks for looking! Rick" Take a look! Want to view this on your mobile device? Check out the mobile version http://mphotos.live.com/f7d26390ffb150da/t.aspx?rid=F7D26390FFB150DA%21118 Having trouble viewing this e-mail? Try pasting this web address into your browser: http://cid-f7d26390ffb150da.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/jukepics?authkey=0GLyV9THSOk%24 Change who can send you invitations and requests Microsoft respects your privacy. To learn more, read our privacy statement. Microsoft Corporation, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA 98052 From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Tue Jun 23 17:52:31 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Tue Jun 23 17:54:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Photo album for you from rick on Windows Live Message-ID: <989844.83259.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Wow! Pristine! Triple grade A1 restoration! It took my breath away! Pat yourself on your back! Never seen a nicer one! ? Regards Tony (In Canada) --- On Tue, 6/23/09, rick wrote: From: rick Subject: [Jukebox-list] Photo album for you from rick on Windows Live To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 6:30 PM rick is sharing the photo album jukepics with you. View album "Here is the link to my new mech by Frank Hamwey, and also of a Model 61 that I just finished restoring for the president of my wife's company. Frank is currently rebuilding the mech for it also. Thanks for looking! Rick" Take a look! Want to view this on your mobile device? Check out the mobile version http://mphotos.live.com/f7d26390ffb150da/t.aspx?rid=F7D26390FFB150DA%21118 Having trouble viewing this e-mail? Try pasting this web address into your browser: http://cid-f7d26390ffb150da.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/jukepics?authkey=0GLyV9THSOk%24 Change who can send you invitations and requests Microsoft respects your privacy.? To learn more, read our privacy statement. Microsoft Corporation, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA 98052 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Jun 23 17:52:50 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Jun 23 17:54:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Photo album for you from rick on Windows Live In-Reply-To: <856A30E4B6744D2C9CA4035E8D473635@phx.gbl> References: <856A30E4B6744D2C9CA4035E8D473635@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <20090624005156.M49865@dwave.net> Looks great! Thanks for posting the photos Rick. Jeremy Agema On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:30:11 -0700, rick wrote > rick is sharing the photo album jukepics with you. > > View album > > > "Here is the link to my new mech by Frank Hamwey, and also of a > Model 61 that I just finished restoring for the president of my > wife's company. Frank is currently rebuilding the mech for it also. > Thanks for looking! > > Rick" > > Take a look! > > Want to view this on your mobile device? Check out the mobile > version http://mphotos.live.com/f7d26390ffb150da/t.aspx? rid=F7D26390FFB150DA%21118 > > Having trouble viewing this e-mail? Try pasting this web address > into your browser: http://cid- f7d26390ffb150da.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/jukepics?authkey=0GLyV9THSOk% 24 > Change who can send you invitations and requests > > > Microsoft respects your privacy. To learn more, read our privacy statement. > > Microsoft Corporation, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA 98052 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jun 23 19:23:22 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jun 23 19:24:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Photo album for you from rick on Windows Live Message-ID: <121039.85396.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, rick wrote: http://cid-f7d26390ffb150da.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/jukepics?authkey=0GLyV9THSOk%24 > > "Here is the link to my new mech by Frank Hamwey... Jeez Louise, it looks like it just left the factory! I'd imagine that that service is not exactly inexpensive. From edbap at aol.com Tue Jun 23 19:54:54 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 23 20:02:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Photo album for you from rick on Windows Live In-Reply-To: <121039.85396.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <121039.85396.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBC28E48F53B51-1388-FDC@webmail-mh33.sysops.aol.com> Frank Hamwey mech restoration leaves them better than when they left Wurlitzer. I believe he is the best in the WORLD. Not cheap, but none better anywhere. -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2009 7:23 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Photo album for you from rick on Windows Live --- On Tue, 6/23/09, rick wrote: http://cid-f7d26390ffb150da.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/jukepics?authkey=0GLyV9THSOk%24 > > "Here is the link to my new mech by Frank Hamwey... Jeez Louise, it looks like it just left the factory! I'd imagine that that service is not exactly inexpensive. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 20:14:38 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Tue Jun 23 20:16:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Photo album for you from rick on Windows Live In-Reply-To: <8CBC28E48F53B51-1388-FDC@webmail-mh33.sysops.aol.com> References: <121039.85396.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CBC28E48F53B51-1388-FDC@webmail-mh33.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Out of curiosity, what would a mech restoration run? Thomas On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:54 PM, wrote: > Frank Hamwey mech restoration leaves them better than when they left > Wurlitzer. I believe he is the best in the WORLD. > Not cheap, but none better anywhere. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Breneman > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2009 7:23 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Photo album for you from rick on Windows Live > > > > > --- On Tue, 6/23/09, rick wrote: > > > http://cid-f7d26390ffb150da.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/jukepics?authkey=0GLyV9THSOk%24 > > > > "Here is the link to my new mech by Frank Hamwey... > > > Jeez Louise, it looks like it just left the factory! > I'd imagine that that service is not exactly inexpensive. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jun 23 21:36:10 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jun 23 21:39:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Photo album for you from rick on Windows Live Message-ID: <20090624.003610.17831.1@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Rick: this is very impressive-looking restoration job. I imagine that there was a big commitment of time, labor and cost to get to this point. Thanks for sharing. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ3440mb2FrNFzbRRzNp38p5OByEwCzOg7uScDE4VhcFuAHLEkAzm/ From Alan-hood at datex.co.uk Wed Jun 24 01:36:14 2009 From: Alan-hood at datex.co.uk (Alan-hood@datex.co.uk) Date: Wed Jun 24 01:29:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? Message-ID: <655B3C747F0C0641901676E8D84957A001297B@NTPDC1> Re Ken's enquiry for the spares for the Rowe Ami CD-51, the cash door is the standard Rowe Ami cash door used through the 1100, 1200, R-84, R-89 and CD series jukeboxes likewise the rubbers used under the springs are the same (the latter ones were cut short for some reason). I would assume that Suzo/Happ would list the parts if you can not get used ones, if you were in the UK we stock the above (new and used) also in the UK www.jukeboxparts.co.uk or in the USA www.jukeboxparts.com and www.victoryglass.com Regards Alan Hood ami-man UK alan-hood@datex.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER The information and any attachment with this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please notify the sender and delete the message immediately. Unauthorised disclosure, distribution and copying of this email are strictly prohibited The opinions expressed within this message are those of the individual author. Whilst Datex Systems takes reasonable steps to scan this email it does not accept liability for any virus that may be contained in it. ____________________________________________________________________ From dppe at inebraska.com Wed Jun 24 13:04:52 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Wed Jun 24 13:06:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playing records Message-ID: <7027601394df822f8093a054d865789d@inebraska.com> My Seeburg VL200 will not play the first 4 or 5 selections and then works fine after that. The arm and needle touch down on the record and it immediately rejects it. It does this on both sides of the record. After this happens it starts to play correctly and works fine after that. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dana From jeffzurn at cox.net Wed Jun 24 13:20:34 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Wed Jun 24 13:22:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playingrecords References: <7027601394df822f8093a054d865789d@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <001201c9f509$3aa5b960$55f04109@ZURNT60> Classic SYMPTOM #2 It's mechanical (needs cleaning/lubing) or electrical (dirty contacts, faulty switch, etc). You can get more detail at: http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera/symptom_2.htm Have fun!! Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:04 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playingrecords > My Seeburg VL200 will not play the first 4 or 5 selections and then works > fine after that. The arm and needle touch down on the record and it > immediately rejects it. It does this on both sides of the record. After > this happens it starts to play correctly and works fine after that. Any > suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dana > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Wed Jun 24 13:31:52 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed Jun 24 13:33:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playingrecords Message-ID: <362970.66964.qm@web111506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey Jeff.. I was gonna say that! LOL! you beat me to it. BTW VL200 is a very nice juke to own definately the most desirable too! Had one loved it but got an offer to trade for 4 jukes and could not pass it up! ? Kinda miss my V200 (yea it was not a VL200) but still same machine with a few cosmetic differences. ? Regards, Tony (in Canada) ? --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playingrecords To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 4:20 PM Classic SYMPTOM #2 It's mechanical (needs cleaning/lubing) or electrical (dirty contacts, faulty switch, etc). You can get more detail at: http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera/symptom_2.htm Have fun!! Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:04 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playingrecords > My Seeburg VL200 will not play the first 4 or 5 selections and then works fine after that.? The arm and needle touch down on the record and it immediately rejects it.? It does this on both sides of the record.???After this happens it starts to play correctly and works fine after that.? Any suggestions greatly appreciated.? Thanks,? Dana > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jun 24 13:34:12 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Wed Jun 24 13:36:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playingrecords References: <7027601394df822f8093a054d865789d@inebraska.com> Message-ID: ...If it starts working correctly after a few cycles then it's probably lubrication (lack of, or wrong type). Follow the link Jeff posted and see how you get on. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playingrecords My Seeburg VL200 will not play the first 4 or 5 selections and then works fine after that. The arm and needle touch down on the record and it immediately rejects it. It does this on both sides of the record. After this happens it starts to play correctly and works fine after that. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dana _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.90/2200 - Release Date: 06/24/09 12:49:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jun 24 19:41:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jun 24 19:43:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playing records Message-ID: <257899.24282.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dana, Needs the proper oil !! Ron Rich --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Dana wrote: From: Dana Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playing records To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 1:04 PM My Seeburg VL200 will not play the first 4 or 5 selections and then works fine after that.? The arm and needle touch down on the record and it immediately rejects it.? It does this on both sides of the record.???After this happens it starts to play correctly and works fine after that.? Any suggestions greatly appreciated.? Thanks,? Dana _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ken at blackforestgifts.com Thu Jun 25 04:40:42 2009 From: ken at blackforestgifts.com (ken@blackforestgifts.com) Date: Thu Jun 25 05:02:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playingrecords In-Reply-To: <7027601394df822f8093a054d865789d@inebraska.com> References: <7027601394df822f8093a054d865789d@inebraska.com> Message-ID: Check the thickness of the records. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playingrecords > My Seeburg VL200 will not play the first 4 or 5 selections and then works > fine after that. The arm and needle touch down on the record and it > immediately rejects it. It does this on both sides of the record. After > this happens it starts to play correctly and works fine after that. Any > suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dana > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From edbap at aol.com Thu Jun 25 10:20:40 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 25 10:33:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C restore charges? In-Reply-To: References: <7027601394df822f8093a054d865789d@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <8CBC3D065AD7CED-12AC-14D3@WEBMAIL-DY15.sysops.aol.com> Anyone have any idea what to charge for a full restoration of a Seeburg C found in a barn? Needs Pilasters, coupla glass tubes, speaker redone, heck, everything!?? "Restore fee" + all parts?? From jay at west.net Thu Jun 25 11:32:19 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Jun 25 11:33:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C restore charges? In-Reply-To: <8CBC3D065AD7CED-12AC-14D3@WEBMAIL-DY15.sysops.aol.com> References: <7027601394df822f8093a054d865789d@inebraska.com> <8CBC3D065AD7CED-12AC-14D3@WEBMAIL-DY15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A43C2B3.8000803@west.net> edbap@aol.com wrote: > Anyone have any idea what to charge for a full restoration of a Seeburg C found in a barn? Needs Pilasters, coupla glass tubes, speaker redone, heck, everything!?? "Restore fee" + all parts?? Jay's rule for these things: * Good * Fast * Cheap Pick two. Whichever two variables above that you optimize will cause the third to be less than optimal. Depending on the quality of restoration you want and the condition as found I would say a minimum of $2K up to $4K. This is a labor of love. If you do it yourself, you'll rarely get your money back at sale particularly if you value your time. If your goal is to have a fully restored box, you might be better off just buying one and offsetting the cost by selling your as-found box to someone who enjoys the process of fixing them up. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From s.cummings4738 at att.net Thu Jun 25 11:49:36 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Thu Jun 25 11:51:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C restore charges? Message-ID: <128154906-1245955766-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1797083043-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Jay has a good point. Here's the scenario I am going through right now, and believe me, if it hadn't been in the family for over 50 years I would have sold it and bought a restored machine. Cost of box - free (grandparents') All prep work - free (stripping paint, cabinet repairs, etc) Recapping WSR and MRA - about $60 in parts (did it myself) That's the cheap stuff, now we start running into big numbers... Cabinet veneer (by Ohio Seeburg) - $900 Shipping both ways - $700 Chrome (local by Courtesy Metal) - $900 (no shipping required) Mech restoration $1000 (no shipping, I drove it there) Aesthetic parts (coin glass, etc) - about $600 So, I'm up to at least $4100 and didn't have larger appearance replacements (pilasters, tubes, etc). I also didn't have the up front cost of the box itself (easily $1500 in the "better than average" condition it was in). For the $4k-$5k for a fully restored box, I would have been saving a ton. But it wouldn't have been the family hierloom then. Check Ohio Seeburg's estimate. If you really want to restore the one you have then I would strongly suggest having someone do it all for you. Not cheap, but it'll cost more to do it in parts. ------Original Message------ From: Jay Hennigan Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C restore charges? Sent: Jun 25, 2009 1:32 PM edbap@aol.com wrote: > Anyone have any idea what to charge for a full restoration of a Seeburg C found in a barn? Needs Pilasters, coupla glass tubes, speaker redone, heck, everything!?? "Restore fee" + all parts?? Jay's rule for these things: * Good * Fast * Cheap Pick two. Whichever two variables above that you optimize will cause the third to be less than optimal. Depending on the quality of restoration you want and the condition as found I would say a minimum of $2K up to $4K. This is a labor of love. If you do it yourself, you'll rarely get your money back at sale particularly if you value your time. If your goal is to have a fully restored box, you might be better off just buying one and offsetting the cost by selling your as-found box to someone who enjoys the process of fixing them up. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Jun 25 12:18:01 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Jun 25 12:19:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C restore charges? References: <128154906-1245955766-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1797083043-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <001a01c9f5c9$a843ff70$55f04109@ZURNT60> Best advice I ever heard... You want that jukebox restored? Yeah... I can do it. Don't ask me how much and don't ask me when you'll get it back... and I'll do it. The restorer received some 'up-front' money and submitted regular itemized receipts until the jukebox was complete. Was a nicely done W1015. Jeff From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jun 25 12:23:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jun 25 12:27:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C restore charges? Message-ID: <20090625.152346.25172.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Ed: RE: placing a value on Seeburg C restoration job. The other answers provided here cover the subject pretty accurately and thoroughly. I'd like to contribute the following thoughts: Your costs will vary depending upon what skill set you can bring to the table in providing the restoration. Generally some aspect of the project (i.e. re-chrome work, electronics, woodwork,etc) will need to be subbed out as few are equipped to provide it all. Can you provide the restoration service profitably?? Difficult call. Most 50's era Seeburgs with a grade 1 restoration job seem to command a resale price of $4500-5000 these days. The difficult economy pushes prices downward. Buyers that have the resources to buy one of these collectibles want to "steal" the machine for a low price because buyers are so few. You can easily run up a cost of $1200-1500,or more in buying old-new or replicated parts. I'm not going to attempt to put an exact $$ per value on your shop labor. Typically it would be in the $50 range,plus you'd have an investment in tools, the workspace etc. A detailed restore job can take a 100-150 hours commitment. Using the figures here, the job would go into the minus column, hence the "labor of love" tag. Usually there's a personal motivation in the decision to do a grade 1 restore job on one of these machines. It's not done for money alone. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Let the sun shine in! Click now for a beautiful new sunroom! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTY4PFDeOjWmnMF42zlIMfp07s3LHkACxidDftRETZsFHOqJyDSqk/ From edbap at aol.com Thu Jun 25 14:02:20 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 25 14:11:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C restore charges? In-Reply-To: <20090625.152346.25172.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090625.152346.25172.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CBC3EF5CEB3D43-1034-A53@webmail-mh48.sysops.aol.com> Great advice from all you guys, thanks.? Here is what I did in the past in restoring 2 Wurlitzers.? Remember, I'm NOT in the business, just what I would call a hobby guy.? I don't want to be in the repair business, because I don't want phone calls a week later when someting doesn't work.?? Anyway on the Wurlitzers, a 1015 and a 800, I charged a flat rate $2000 restoration fee, plus parts and anything I had to send out, chrome, amp, etc.was paid by the owner.? I would send him invoices as I got them.? I got half of my money up front, and half upon completion, which help keep me motivated.? It worked well, both owners were very happy.? I think I will do the same with the C, maybe between $1500 and $2000 plus all expenses.? Of course, that may drive the price up too high for him, but I can't see doing it for much less, as you say, it's very easy to put 100+ hours in one of these, and I'm not sure I wanna do that for a stranger at a low rate.? Thanks again guys, any more ideas? -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:23 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C restore charges? Ed: RE: placing a value on Seeburg C restoration job. The other answers provided here cover the subject pretty accurately and thoroughly. I'd like to contribute the following thoughts: Your costs will vary depending upon what skill set you can bring to the table in providing the restoration. Generally some aspect of the project (i.e. re-chrome work, electronics, woodwork,etc) will need to be subbed out as few are equipped to provide it all. Can you provide the restoration service profitably?? Difficult call. Most 50's era Seeburgs with a grade 1 restoration job seem to command a resale price of $4500-5000 these days. The difficult economy pushes prices downward. Buyers that have the resources to buy one of these collectibles want to "steal" the machine for a low price because buyers are so few. You can easily run up a cost of $1200-1500,or more in buying old-new or replicated parts. I'm not going to attempt to put an exact $$ per value on your shop labor. Typically it would be in the $50 range,plus you'd have an investment in tools, the workspace etc. A detailed restore job can take a 100-150 hours commitment. Using the figures here, the job would go into the minus column, hence the "labor of love" tag. Usually there's a personal motivation in the decision to do a grade 1 restore job on one of these machines. It's not done for money alone. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Let the sun shine in! Click now for a beautiful new sunroom! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTY4PFDeOjWmnMF42zlIMfp07s3LHkACxidDftRETZsFHOqJyDSqk/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Thu Jun 25 14:52:09 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Jun 25 14:53:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C restore charges? In-Reply-To: <8CBC3EF5CEB3D43-1034-A53@webmail-mh48.sysops.aol.com> References: <20090625.152346.25172.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> <8CBC3EF5CEB3D43-1034-A53@webmail-mh48.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A43F189.9030909@west.net> edbap@aol.com wrote: > Great advice from all you guys, thanks.? Here is what I did in the past in restoring 2 Wurlitzers.? Remember, I'm NOT in the business, just what I would call a hobby guy.? I don't want to be in the repair business, because I don't want phone calls a week later when someting doesn't work.?? Anyway on the Wurlitzers, a 1015 and a 800, I charged a flat rate $2000 restoration fee, plus parts and anything I had to send out, chrome, amp, etc.was paid by the owner.? I would send him invoices as I got them.? I got half of my money up front, and half upon completion, which help keep me motivated.? It worked well, both owners were very happy.? I think I will do the same with the C, maybe between $1500 and $2000 plus all expenses.? Of course, that may drive the price up too high for him, but I can't see doing it for much less, as you say, it's very easy to put 100+ hours in one of these, and I'm not sure I wanna do that for a stranger at a low rate.? Thanks again guys, any more ideas? You run a risk of still being married to the job should something go wrong and winding up a middleman between the owner and the amp guy, mech guy, cabinet guy, etc. I would hope that you have at least some reasonable experience with jukebox restoration before attempting to coordinate such a project. I wouldn't want to try to earn a living at it. Whether I would want to take it on depends to a large extent on the condition and history of the box. If it's complete, has been in the family for a long time and "used to work many years ago", and doesn't have water/termite damage it's a whole different ballgame than something that's spent the last 25 years in a barn or seen service south of the border. Used jukeboxes from barns, etc. are usually best either combined into a good box from two (or more) thrashed ones or a long-term project of scrounging parts for one's own collection or resale as a complete unit down the road. Promising a restoration on a really thrashed box can be a bigger project than you anticipated. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jun 25 16:19:48 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jun 25 16:22:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C restore charges? Message-ID: <20090625.191948.9723.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I operate a part-time jukebox repair service and restoration business in my area. It's a low overhead operation (just me and one part-time assistant). Most of my customers are residential juke owners that either have one of my restored machines or one of their own that's had renovations (i.e. major mech repair, amp rebuild, etc) I do most mech, electronic repairs in house. I contract out major cabinet woodwork, and metal work (i.e. plating) I am handling some late model commercial and warranty-repair work. I branched out into servicing, primarily to financially support the rebuild/restoration hobby. At one time, there was a constant home market for later model low-cost (sell for $1000 or less) vinyl or CD jukes. That seemed to dry up about the time that personal digital music players became a hot item and people began buying music as digital files. There's still the limited market for tried-and-true collectible jukes (i.e. the Seeburg C, other 50's models, and Golden-Age Wurlitzers)but there are fewer buyers right now. As discussed here, it is tricky to accurately estimate a top-to-bottom restoration of a classic juke for a fixed price. Even when working on it diligently (with no distractions) ,it can take several months to finish it. I maintained a small warehouse full of jukebox "finds" at one time (I source most of my old jukes from operators--when they sell, they want you to take several at a time) but have since closed it out. The trend I'm running into lately comes from customers asking for work who bought a non-working juke on E Bay or CL. Some of these need major work,and have missing parts--- some are minor repairs. One other ugly trend I encountered last year was a local tax official, armed with a copy of the Always Jukin' price guide. Suddenly, any of the Grade 3 and 4 jukes in the warehouse awaiting rebuild, parts machines, etc are all valued at their Grade 1 prices for tax purposes. The burden is upon me to prove they are not. Signs of things to come! As our economy continues to crater, I imagine that tax collection,inflated asessments for business,etc. will become more frequent,outrageous and aggressive. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ344m7vemr7yMdxpaFWYnrUGm2HXwrIZfORMSoqmkMWnKAodadSw/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Jun 25 16:56:27 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Jun 25 18:00:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <229F330BD1554EA683F0F38D1DEB6115@home1903> Hi to all, had to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael Jackson....such a beautiful young child that grew up such a strange way. I will always appreciate his gift to music...God Bless Jackie From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Jun 25 18:17:20 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Jun 25 18:18:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <241654.11028.qm@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> My Mom and Dad said.. if you have nothing nice to say.. say nothing at all (concerning M. Jackson). Can't resist.. GUILTY! ? heehee... ? Tony --- On Thu, 6/25/09, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 7:56 PM Hi to all, had to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael Jackson....such a beautiful young child that grew up such a strange way.? I will always appreciate his gift to music...God Bless Jackie _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Thu Jun 25 18:45:10 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 25 18:47:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <241654.11028.qm@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <241654.11028.qm@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBC416DFE4DE5F-16F0-10F8@FWM-M32.sysops.aol.com> No comment from me, either. -----Original Message----- From: Lala Blah Blah To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 8:17 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject My Mom and Dad said.. if you have nothing nice to say.. say nothing at all (concerning M. Jackson). Can't resist.. GUILTY! ? heehee... ? Tony --- On Thu, 6/25/09, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 7:56 PM Hi to all, had to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael Jackson....such a beautiful young child that grew up such a strange way.? I will always appreciate his gift to music...God Bless Jackie _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Thu Jun 25 19:26:28 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 25 19:34:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: I'm gonna dig in my collection for copies of "Thriller"! Check out ebay for some of the prices copies are bringing. I hope I'm not too late to get on the money train.That's a thrift store and flea market staple. Must have dozens of copies. lol. J.C. In a message dated 6/25/2009 9:00:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: >Hi to all, >had to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael Jackson....such a beautiful young >child that grew up such a strange way. I will always appreciate his gift to music...God Bless >Jackie **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Jun 25 20:00:40 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Jun 25 20:02:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <522101.79746.qm@web111508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Oh Darn I think I used all my 45's with him on them for skeet shooting.. man do I feel bad.. NOT!!! ? ? LOL!!! ? Tony --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Received: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 10:26 PM I'm gonna dig in my collection for copies of "Thriller"! Check out ebay for some of the prices copies are bringing. I hope I'm not too late to get on the? money train.That's a thrift store and flea market staple. Must have dozens of? copies. lol. J.C. In a message dated 6/25/2009 9:00:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? etreble7@verizon.net writes: >Hi? to all, >had to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael? Jackson....such a beautiful young >child that grew up such a strange? way.? I will always appreciate his gift to music...God? Bless >Jackie **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Jun 25 20:03:28 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Jun 25 20:05:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <101082.42837.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Forgot to tell ya my poor juke has one record stuck.. plays the same song over and over...? Queen's "Another Bites the Dust" LOL!! Could not resist.. (J/K) but seriously I wish... concerning M. Jackson! ? Regards, Tony --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Received: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 10:26 PM I'm gonna dig in my collection for copies of "Thriller"! Check out ebay for some of the prices copies are bringing. I hope I'm not too late to get on the? money train.That's a thrift store and flea market staple. Must have dozens of? copies. lol. J.C. In a message dated 6/25/2009 9:00:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? etreble7@verizon.net writes: >Hi? to all, >had to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael? Jackson....such a beautiful young >child that grew up such a strange? way.? I will always appreciate his gift to music...God? Bless >Jackie **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From edbap at aol.com Thu Jun 25 20:13:01 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 25 20:20:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <101082.42837.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <101082.42837.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBC42325C27676-2314-1948@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> I do believe Thriller was or is the highest rated video ever made.? -----Original Message----- From: Lala Blah Blah To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Forgot to tell ya my poor juke has one record stuck.. plays the same song over and over...? Queen's "Another Bites the Dust" LOL!! Could not resist.. (J/K) but seriously I wish... concerning M. Jackson! ? Regards, Tony --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Received: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 10:26 PM I'm gonna dig in my collection for copies of "Thriller"! Check out ebay for some of the prices copies are bringing. I hope I'm not too late to get on the? money train.That's a thrift store and flea market staple. Must have dozens of? copies. lol. J.C. In a message dated 6/25/2009 9:00:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? etreble7@verizon.net writes: >Hi? to all, >had to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael? Jackson....such a beautiful young >child that grew up such a strange? way.? I will always appreciate his gift to music...God? Bless >Jackie **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 20:50:57 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Thu Jun 25 20:58:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <8CBC42325C27676-2314-1948@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> References: <101082.42837.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CBC42325C27676-2314-1948@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: For reasons that totally escape me... :) Thomas On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:13 PM, wrote: > I do believe Thriller was or is the highest rated video ever made.? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lala Blah Blah > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 8:03 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > > > > Forgot to tell ya my poor juke has one record stuck.. plays the same song > over > and over...? Queen's "Another Bites the Dust" LOL!! Could not resist.. > (J/K) but > seriously I wish... concerning M. Jackson! > ? > Regards, Tony > > --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > > > From: Jjmscf@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com > Received: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 10:26 PM > > > I'm gonna dig in my collection for copies of "Thriller"! Check out ebay for > some of the prices copies are bringing. I hope I'm not too late to get on > the? money train.That's a thrift store and flea market staple. Must have > dozens of? copies. lol. > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 6/25/2009 9:00:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? > etreble7@verizon.net writes: > > >Hi? to all, > >had to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael? > Jackson....such a beautiful young >child that grew up such a strange? way.? > I > will always > appreciate his gift to music...God? Bless > >Jackie > > > **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the > grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the > boot > with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New > Mail > today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Jun 25 21:29:41 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Jun 25 21:31:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <994141.80973.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Uh, well, I understand "Greek love" doesn't involve actual penetration, so I guess it's not technically statutory rape in the case of the "Rubbahs", just NAMBLA-style simple molestation. Sorry, but this guy was so messed up in so many ways I have an awfully hard time feeling his passing is a loss. I feel really bad for Ed McMahon and Farrah Fawcett, two other icons of the 1970s (they say famous people always go in threes), but as far as Jackson goes, well, I've said my piece. Except that there's definitely some psychology Ph.D thesis material here. From jay at west.net Fri Jun 26 00:44:16 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jun 26 00:46:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <994141.80973.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <994141.80973.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A447C50.8040106@west.net> I'm tied to the Jackson saga in a strange way. Our company hosts the website for the Santa Barbara Deputy Sheriffs' Association. This is a sleepy little public information site with information about community ride-along programs and the like, and typically gets very few hits. Until the day they posted Michael Jackson's mug shot. This of course was massively linked from the major news and portal sites within minutes. We started getting all kinds of alarms about unusual bandwidth and the server (which was shared hosting with a few dozen unrelated sites) slowed to a very painful crawl. We managed to move the content and repoint DNS to a cluster of high-capacity servers but things were kind of dicey for about an hour. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From stamann at jukebox-world.de Fri Jun 26 01:01:28 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Fri Jun 26 01:04:27 2009 Subject: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] Fw: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information Message-ID: Hello to Everybody, In the meantime another modle AMI JPK-200 showed up. It is located in Germany and the owner gave me these details: - mono - amp R-2017A with L-2156B (the B is half removed so it looks more like a small printed capital D. Was it removed by accident or to mark it as a later version? The rest of the printings on this amp are in pretty good shape.) - 200 selections - keyboard for 200 selections - frontglass saying "AMI The World's finest Music" - mechanism: 995 - some parts show the date 30. Juni 1965 (which is the German way of writing a date. So I guess it's the date of a last check, changing that part or similar) One question is: what it mechanism 995? All lists I looked at end with mech 990. I listed all information on this so far here: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/AMI/AMI_K200.htm This site also shows a picture of the mechanism ID plate and the half B. Kind regards - Hildegard ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Lala Blah Blah Gesendet: Montag, 18. Mai 2009 18:01 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] Fw: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information I have a 3/4's complete AMI K manual.. if I may be so rude to interject. Is ALOT the same as the AMI Contenetal 1 and in some aspects 2. The ami k was available as mono or stereo. (excuse me I deleted the posts of the question so I am assuming to help). The 50 record version had a mono amp and it was integrated. (one unit) if you converted to stereo you yank out the pre-amp module and put in the other amp module and add in the pre-amp as this is bing said I have the ACTUAL preamp here (to make it stereo).. (kinda makes me laugh as if I am actaully helping its virtually in my hands. Its model is numbered R-2020. I am in the midst os changing my AMI model K over.. alas this pre-amp is not mine (sigh).. but it needs to be rebuilt (typical cap job and NO tubes.. no probs.. since I have 56,000 here LOL).. anayway.. I love my AMI model k.. HATE the 6973 tubes.. (an A-Bomb waiting to go off). So I did the `Bill Bickers special job``and converted to 6EM5`s (you can also use 6CZ5`s) ANYONE else that says 6CL6 is a nut.. as you will loose ouput power and also blow the output transformer. BILL knows what he is talking about. There are also other tubes that people are trying to recommend.. Nope don`t trust them.. unless you have the money and time to hunt down a output transformer. (yes I have ONE spare.. and in excellent condition).. saved it for some poor soul that got sucked in by some of these `fly by night ebayers``I told told these characters... they were wrong.. but no no do the quick sale.. please be very wary.. 6EM5 or 6CZ5 are the only tubes that can work for AMI model K Continental 1 and 2. I? really enjoy being in this group --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Stamann wrote: From: Stamann Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Fw: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information To: "Graeme Harvey" , "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 5:07 PM Hello Graeme, thanks for sending this to me. Somehow I must have missed this post. I will summary the details for the JPK-200: - Serial numbers known so far: 526003,? 526085 - random play feature - Mono - amp R2017 with the L2156 - one low range speaker and one horn speaker - wording on front glass is "AMI" and "The World's Finest Music". - select buttons for 100 play but magazine holds 100 records - has a keylock "mode" switch in back that when repositioned, will shut all of the machine lights off and play the other 50 records in the magazine, in series (someone referred to this as "background music" mode). - two counters, one for normal play and one for "background" play - automatic selector with seven wire bundle connectors. (The spare automatic selectors that I have only have 4 wiring bundle connectors. I'm assuming that the extra wires and connectors are related to the "background" music mode.) I see you asked the owner about a built in stepper but he did not answer that. He says he has an automatic selector - so the stepper would be optional and not built-in. Regarding this we figured out that models JAK-200, JBK-120, JEK-200 and JFK-120 have the built-in steppers like models before. But with models JJK-200 and up they did not use the stepper anymore and introduced the automatic selectors which are used in Lyric and Continentals, too. That's why your JJK-200 does not have the stepper. The other thing in your answer is the amp. You state that some time ago you saw a K with two former amps inside (R-145 probably). The K sound system parts catalog says that, if R-145 is used the former sound system parts catalog (which is from model I) has to be used. But so far everybody I asked about his K had the new version amp installed. So in the meantime I almost thought that the K never had the R-145 built in. Maybe they did so on very early models? 2x R-145 was also used in J stereo models. In any case this is a very unusual model K. Maybe this was AMI answer to the upcoming background music systems before they produced an own one in 1961 (HA 600, HA 700 - so far I never saw a picture of those but they are listed in the AMI History book if I remember right). If you can find Scott's email address again I think I would email him about the amp and if he has some pictures. I think it is interesting and worth to keep the information in our Archive. Thanks again for sending this to me. Kind regards - Hildegard ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Stamann Musikboxen - Schafskamp 2 - D-27243 Klein Henstedt - www.jukebox-world.de - stamann@jukebox-world.de Tel: (++49) 04224/264, Fax: (++49) 04224-1348, Ust.Id: DE 249241577 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Graeme Harvey Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Mai 2009 09:04 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: [Jukebox-list] Fw: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information Hildegard Stamann in her last post requested information on the AMI JPK 200. The British Jukebox Owners forum was contacted about this model in January. The correspondence I had with the owner is below. It is certainly a very unusual model. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Harvey To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information G'day Scott, I would try asking the same questions on the US Group. It has a wider spread someone their may know.? ???You will have to sign up as a member. http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Graeme Harvey ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: sfreborg ? To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com ? Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:10 AM ? Subject: [SPAM][SPAM]Re: [SPAM]RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information ? Thanks to all that responded to my questions about my enigma/oddball ? AMI-K. Actually, the production information is not all that important ? to me, so I'm going to drop my quest for more details. I think the ? trail has gone cold now anyway, 50 years after the K was manufactured. ? That said, I'm looking forward to many more years of enjoyment with my ? K. To that end I just purchased a used K record changer, in working ? condition for insurance of spare parts in the future. Also, I have not ? ruled out purchasing another K in good condition...if anyone out there ? has one to part with keep me in mind......including a transaction that ? would include parting with my 1484.....Scott ? --- In bjoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Graeme Harvey" wrote: ? > ? > G'day Scott, ? > You have a very interesting model K. The K's that I have were ? manufactered in Australia and I think that they are different. I ? think US ones had a built in stepper on the selector. Mine do not ? have a built in stepper. The additional plugs may have been used to ? run a stepper for wallbox use.? ? > ? > Graeme Harvey ? > ? > ? > ? > ----- Original Message ----- ? > From: sfreborg ? > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com ? > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:17 PM ? > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [SPAM]RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information ? > ? > ? > Here is some additional information Graeme..... Mono (one low range ? > speaker and one horn speaker), wording on front glass is "AMI" and ? under ? > that "The World's Finest Music". Select buttons for 100 play, but ? the ? > magazine holds 100 records. Has a keylock "mode" switch in back that ? > when repositioned, will shut all of the machine lights off and play ? the ? > other 50 records in the magazine, in series (someone referred to ? this as ? > "background music" mode). Has two counters, one for normal play and ? one ? > for "background" play. I rechecked the serial number and it is ? 526003, ? > model JPK. The amp is the R2017 with the L2156. One other ? interesting ? > thing...the automatic selector has seven wire bundle connectors. The ? > spare automatic selectors that I have only have 4 wiring bundle ? > connectors. I'm assuming that the extra wires and connectors are ? > related to the "background" music mode. One opinion about the lack ? of ? > production information is that this model was made late in the ? > production year and never "took off " in sales??....Scott ? > ? > --- In bjoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Graeme Harvey" gnharvey@ wrote: ? > > ? > > G'day, ? > > Please tell us more about it. Stereo or mono. Manuel or ? > Automatic. wording on front glass under selection buttons. What ? > type of amps example R2017 with pre amp L2156 for mono. The reason I ? > asked this is that some time ago I spotted an unusual K on ebay that ? had ? > two amps side by side that were used singularly in the "G,H & I and ? > maybe the J. I have two K's and both use the same amps as the ? > Continentals. One is a manuel the other Auto both 200 select. ? > > Graeme Harvey ? > > ? > > ----- Original Message ----- ? > > From: mike@ ? > > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com ? > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:26 AM ? > > Subject: [SPAM]RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information ? > > ? > > ? > > Yes I noticed that , but the quoted serial number is listed (last ? of ? > all in ? > > the batch) , so I thought it was worth a look. ? > > Mike ? > > ? > > Original Message: ? > > ----------------- ? > > From: JJ eastender@ ? > > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:12:57 -0000 (GMT) ? > > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com ? > > Subject: RE: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information ? > > ? > > Interestingly, no JPK models mentioned there ? ? > > ? > > JJ ? > > ? > > > Try this site http://www.tomszone.com/serialami.html ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > Mike ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > _____ ? > > > ? > > > From: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bjoforum@yahoogroups.com] ? > On Behalf ? > > > Of sfreborg ? > > > Sent: 23 January 2009 03:49 ? > > > To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com ? > > > Subject: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > Hi everyone...glad to be a new member of the forum. I have three ? > > > jukes...Rockola 424, Rockola 1484 wall mount, and my AMI model ? > JPK. ? > > > My AMI K is in like new condition, purchased it about 15 years ? ago ? > > > from a businessman in New Jersey. I am interested in finding ? more ? > > > production information for the JPK, and why AMI did not release ? > more ? > > > information in 1960. My serial number is 526003...the only other ? > > > serial number I've seen is 526085. I'm also looking for more ? > > > information on the JPK random play feature. Thanks in advance ? for ? > any ? > > > info that is offered up...Scott ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > ? > > > ? > > ? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ? > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at ? > > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ? > > ? > __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (5) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls Keep them spinning... 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Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Fri Jun 26 04:30:40 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 26 04:32:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <4A447C50.8040106@west.net> References: <994141.80973.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A447C50.8040106@west.net> Message-ID: <8CBC468AB6337F9-1180-24CF@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> good for You,? I?feel the same way, what a wast of band space. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:44 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject I'm tied to the Jackson saga in a strange way. Our company hosts the website for the Santa Barbara Deputy Sheriffs' Association. This is a sleepy little public information site with information about community ride-along programs and the like, and typically gets very few hits.? ? Until the day they posted Michael Jackson's mug shot. This of course was massively linked from the major news and portal sites within minutes.? ? We started getting all kinds of alarms about unusual bandwidth and the server (which was shared hosting with a few dozen unrelated sites) slowed to a very painful crawl.? ? We managed to move the content and repoint DNS to a cluster of high-capacity servers but things were kind of dicey for about an hour.? ? --? Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From rellis2007 at aol.com Fri Jun 26 04:45:29 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 26 04:47:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <241654.11028.qm@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <241654.11028.qm@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBC46ABD2C7ED2-1180-252C@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> My grandfather said the same thing, I feel Mr jackson was a wast of life, But God will be the judge. Not Me. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Lala Blah Blah To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 8:17 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject My Mom and Dad said.. if you have nothing nice to say.. say nothing at all concerning M. Jackson). Can't resist.. GUILTY! eehee... ony --- On Thu, 6/25/09, etreble7 wrote: rom: etreble7 ubject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject o: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com eceived: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 7:56 PM i to all, ad to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael Jackson....such a eautiful young child that grew up such a strange way.? I will always appreciate is gift to music...God Bless ackie ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ he new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get t Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From aaron at vertasource.com Fri Jun 26 06:18:53 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Fri Jun 26 06:14:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <200906260918948.SM01404@[192.168.1.206]> I just got a comment sent to me from a friend of mine... I'll share it with the group... "When farrah fawcett died, God granted her one wish. She said protect the children of the world. So God killed Michael Jackson." I still have "Rock With You" in my G-120. It's still a good song. Aarohn From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jun 26 05:26:25 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Fri Jun 26 06:30:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <0937CB7B63F84F9D97AFEC01EF3E4362@home1903> Good Morning, seems we all have very strong opinions on the Death of Michael Jackson....good...that's what makes the world go round. I think very few people can accept his personal issues, and as a mother of 7 children I have my own view on them...HOWEVER.....I too, was taught that the judgement comes from someone other than me and there is worth in everyone's life. I think there are very few people that can listen to Billy Jean or Beat It and not tap a foot to it.(we may not want to admit it, lol) ....let me also add that I highly respect his MOON WALK! Jackie Dancin' Out From aaron at vertasource.com Fri Jun 26 06:48:51 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Fri Jun 26 06:44:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <200906260948916.SM02500@[192.168.1.206]> Jackie, I... for one... have no problem with going on record as saying that "Thriller" is one of my all time favorite albums. Every single song, in my opinion, was a classic for its time. I was one of the first albums on my iPod, and I'm not ashamed to admit that I was a fan of Michael Jackson's music. That's how he should be remembered...for the music. Forget everything else. There's plenty of freaks in the world. Not too many folks with genuine musical talent and not something that is the product of a greedy producer simply because you're 19 years old and can squeak out a song while shaking your butt in a pair of shorts that barely fit you. So I'll say it loudly... as I head home with the intent of putting "Billie Jean" into one of the jukeboxes... "Long Live the King of Pop (Music)!" Aaron From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jun 26 09:18:00 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Fri Jun 26 09:19:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject References: <200906260948916.SM02500@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: Nicely stated Aaron, I have always left my favorite Michael Jackson Dancin tunes in my Jukeboxes...those I don't swap out! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Heverin" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Jackie, I... for one... have no problem with going on record as saying that "Thriller" is one of my all time favorite albums. Every single song, in my opinion, was a classic for its time. I was one of the first albums on my iPod, and I'm not ashamed to admit that I was a fan of Michael Jackson's music. That's how he should be remembered...for the music. Forget everything else. There's plenty of freaks in the world. Not too many folks with genuine musical talent and not something that is the product of a greedy producer simply because you're 19 years old and can squeak out a song while shaking your butt in a pair of shorts that barely fit you. So I'll say it loudly... as I head home with the intent of putting "Billie Jean" into one of the jukeboxes... "Long Live the King of Pop (Music)!" Aaron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jun 26 11:17:24 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jun 26 11:20:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <20090626.141724.28007.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Jay: Thanks for sharing your unique perspective on the M. Jackson story. The fellow did break a lot of new ground,along with producer Quincy Jones, for pop music and video production. Musically, he was not my cup of tea. Oh well,different strokes for different folks. One of the basic principles you are taught, if training to become a criminal trial lawyer, is that if the facts of a legal case are in your favor,you cite the facts. If the facts work against you, you need to create a diversion. Draw your own conclusions for M.Jackson's run-ins with the law. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Improve your driving ability with a stop at traffic school. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZTbSFr1Jp82hUIrg2qrkxDrvy7GYZzaFrNbQBAKFCsH5nBclFXmI/ From berrycbell at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 11:51:09 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Fri Jun 26 12:25:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <20090626.141724.28007.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090626.141724.28007.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: If you go back and listen to the early stuff, "I'll Be There", "Who's Lovin You" "I Want You Back", "Got To Be There", the early Motown Days, this stuff is unbelievably good, especially considering the front man was a kid. Never was too crazy about the later Michael stuff, but one can't deny the genious of little Michael Jackson, before everything went wrong. On 6/26/09, James Alexander wrote: > > > Jay: > Thanks for sharing your unique perspective on the M. Jackson story. The > fellow did break a lot of new ground,along with producer Quincy Jones, for > pop music and video production. Musically, he was not my cup of tea. > Oh well,different strokes for different folks. > One of the basic principles you are taught, if training to become a > criminal trial lawyer, is that if the facts of a legal case are in your > favor,you cite the facts. If the facts work against you, you need to > create a diversion. > Draw your own conclusions for M.Jackson's run-ins with the law. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Improve your driving ability with a stop at traffic school. Click now! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZTbSFr1Jp82hUIrg2qrkxDrvy7GYZzaFrNbQBAKFCsH5nBclFXmI/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeffzurn at cox.net Fri Jun 26 12:46:54 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Fri Jun 26 12:48:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject References: <20090626.141724.28007.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <005701c9f696$dba7bbe0$55f04109@ZURNT60> He's had some really good stuff... and some forgettable stuff. He benefitted from the 'new' MTV era... Music Videos and high TV rotation for the 'Sesame Street Generation'. I will admit that I was a fan of his 'Thriller' era and his early MoTown music. I read a good piece by Jonah Goldberg... that basically pointed out that the media is in a frenzy - and trying to make him into more than what he was (a gifted, but deeply troubled artist). His point was that many people have died this week giving their lives for a cause larger than themselves - Freedom, Liberty, Personal Rights... and that Michael's death is not 'tragic'... but his life certainly was. Michael wanted the world to be a better place (at least that was his stated goal) - it would be nice if our media would focus more on the 'tragic' deaths that have real and lasting meaining in this world and let Michael finally be at peace. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berry Bell" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > If you go back and listen to the early stuff, "I'll Be There", "Who's > Lovin > You" "I Want You Back", "Got To Be There", the early Motown Days, this > stuff > is unbelievably good, especially considering the front man was a kid. > Never > was too crazy about the later Michael stuff, but one can't deny the > genious > of little Michael Jackson, before everything went wrong. > > On 6/26/09, James Alexander wrote: >> >> >> Jay: >> Thanks for sharing your unique perspective on the M. Jackson story. The >> fellow did break a lot of new ground,along with producer Quincy Jones, >> for >> pop music and video production. Musically, he was not my cup of tea. >> Oh well,different strokes for different folks. >> One of the basic principles you are taught, if training to become a >> criminal trial lawyer, is that if the facts of a legal case are in your >> favor,you cite the facts. If the facts work against you, you need to >> create a diversion. >> Draw your own conclusions for M.Jackson's run-ins with the law. >> Jim Alexander >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Improve your driving ability with a stop at traffic school. Click now! >> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZTbSFr1Jp82hUIrg2qrkxDrvy7GYZzaFrNbQBAKFCsH5nBclFXmI/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Jun 26 13:02:14 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Jun 26 13:09:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <005701c9f696$dba7bbe0$55f04109@ZURNT60> References: <20090626.141724.28007.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> <005701c9f696$dba7bbe0$55f04109@ZURNT60> Message-ID: Well said Jeff! -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Zurn Sent: 2009, June, 26 3:47 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject He's had some really good stuff... and some forgettable stuff. He benefitted from the 'new' MTV era... Music Videos and high TV rotation for the 'Sesame Street Generation'. I will admit that I was a fan of his 'Thriller' era and his early MoTown music. I read a good piece by Jonah Goldberg... that basically pointed out that the media is in a frenzy - and trying to make him into more than what he was (a gifted, but deeply troubled artist). His point was that many people have died this week giving their lives for a cause larger than themselves - Freedom, Liberty, Personal Rights... and that Michael's death is not 'tragic'... but his life certainly was. Michael wanted the world to be a better place (at least that was his stated goal) - it would be nice if our media would focus more on the 'tragic' deaths that have real and lasting meaining in this world and let Michael finally be at peace. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berry Bell" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > If you go back and listen to the early stuff, "I'll Be There", "Who's > Lovin > You" "I Want You Back", "Got To Be There", the early Motown Days, this > stuff > is unbelievably good, especially considering the front man was a kid. > Never > was too crazy about the later Michael stuff, but one can't deny the > genious > of little Michael Jackson, before everything went wrong. > > On 6/26/09, James Alexander wrote: >> >> >> Jay: >> Thanks for sharing your unique perspective on the M. Jackson story. The >> fellow did break a lot of new ground,along with producer Quincy Jones, >> for >> pop music and video production. Musically, he was not my cup of tea. >> Oh well,different strokes for different folks. >> One of the basic principles you are taught, if training to become a >> criminal trial lawyer, is that if the facts of a legal case are in your >> favor,you cite the facts. If the facts work against you, you need to >> create a diversion. >> Draw your own conclusions for M.Jackson's run-ins with the law. >> Jim Alexander >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Improve your driving ability with a stop at traffic school. Click now! >> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZTbSFr1Jp82hUIrg2q rkxDrvy7GYZzaFrNbQBAKFCsH5nBclFXmI/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Fri Jun 26 14:35:57 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Robert Aker) Date: Fri Jun 26 14:37:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject References: <200906260948916.SM02500@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <001f01c9f6a6$19a9eb20$0201a8c0@desktop> I've bought a lot of jukes from operators to refurbish and sell to home owners and many came with records. I ALWAYS throw out the MJ stuff - I want to nothing to do with that freak pedophile ----- Original Message ----- From: "etreble7" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > Nicely stated Aaron, I have always left my favorite Michael Jackson Dancin > tunes in my Jukeboxes...those I don't swap out! > Jackie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Heverin" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > > > Jackie, > I... for one... have no problem with going on record as saying that > "Thriller" is one of my all time favorite albums. Every single song, in my > opinion, was a classic for its time. I was one of the first albums on my > iPod, and I'm not ashamed to admit that I was a fan of Michael Jackson's > music. > > That's how he should be remembered...for the music. Forget everything > else. There's plenty of freaks in the world. Not too many folks with > genuine musical talent and not something that is the product of a greedy > producer simply because you're 19 years old and can squeak out a song > while shaking your butt in a pair of shorts that barely fit you. > > So I'll say it loudly... as I head home with the intent of putting "Billie > Jean" into one of the jukeboxes... "Long Live the King of Pop (Music)!" > > > Aaron > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Fri Jun 26 15:59:13 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Fri Jun 26 16:06:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject References: <200906260948916.SM02500@[192.168.1.206]> <001f01c9f6a6$19a9eb20$0201a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: Send those records my way - I'll take them. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Aker" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > I've bought a lot of jukes from operators to refurbish and sell to home > owners and many came with records. I ALWAYS throw out the MJ stuff - I > want to nothing to do with that freak pedophile > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "etreble7" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > > >> Nicely stated Aaron, I have always left my favorite Michael Jackson >> Dancin tunes in my Jukeboxes...those I don't swap out! >> Jackie >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Aaron Heverin" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject >> >> >> Jackie, >> I... for one... have no problem with going on record as saying that >> "Thriller" is one of my all time favorite albums. Every single song, in >> my opinion, was a classic for its time. I was one of the first albums on >> my iPod, and I'm not ashamed to admit that I was a fan of Michael >> Jackson's music. >> >> That's how he should be remembered...for the music. Forget everything >> else. There's plenty of freaks in the world. Not too many folks with >> genuine musical talent and not something that is the product of a greedy >> producer simply because you're 19 years old and can squeak out a song >> while shaking your butt in a pair of shorts that barely fit you. >> >> So I'll say it loudly... as I head home with the intent of putting >> "Billie Jean" into one of the jukeboxes... "Long Live the King of Pop >> (Music)!" >> >> >> Aaron >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Jun 26 16:41:41 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Jun 26 16:43:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <687217.50856.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I don't think he can do that as I think he used them for Skeet shooting! ? Regards, Tony --- On Fri, 6/26/09, Jon Scaptura wrote: From: Jon Scaptura Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, June 26, 2009, 6:59 PM Send those records my way - I'll take them. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Aker" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > I've bought a lot of jukes from operators to refurbish and sell to home owners and many came with records. I ALWAYS throw out the MJ stuff - I want to nothing to do with that freak pedophile > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "etreble7" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > > >> Nicely stated Aaron, I have always left my favorite Michael Jackson Dancin tunes in my Jukeboxes...those I don't swap out! >> Jackie >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Heverin" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject >> >> >> Jackie, >> I... for one... have no problem with going on record as saying that "Thriller" is one of my all time favorite albums. Every single song, in my opinion, was a classic for its time. I was one of the first albums on my iPod, and I'm not ashamed to admit that I was a fan of Michael Jackson's music. >> >> That's how he should be remembered...for the music. Forget everything else. There's plenty of freaks in the world. Not too many folks with genuine musical talent and not something that is the product of a greedy producer simply because you're 19 years old and can squeak out a song while shaking your butt in a pair of shorts that barely fit you. >> >> So I'll say it loudly... as I head home with the intent of putting "Billie Jean" into one of the jukeboxes... "Long Live the King of Pop (Music)!" >> >> >> Aaron >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com From alex at eyeballrecords.com Fri Jun 26 16:44:26 2009 From: alex at eyeballrecords.com (alex saavedra) Date: Fri Jun 26 16:53:34 2009 Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: Wow. I've been reading and enduring these "no comment" emails for over a day now. I originally signed up for this email list because i thought it would be a great opportunity to learn from the best. What i have learned is the majority of you claim to "have nothing nice to say, so won't say anything." however you seem to have more than a mouthful. I could honestly care less about your politics or personal feelings until now... Now that you keep throwing them into my face. It seems that i have stumbled onto a load of ignorant, angry, cranky, old men (and some women) who like to cast judgement. Judgment that 12 peers wasn't enough for. This man was found innocent of all charges. He was set free in the eyes of the judicial system but not in the eyes of the stone casters. Wether he is was guilty or not.. I don't know. Wether you are guilty or not.. Yes, you have proven your guilt of intolerance and stone throwing. True fact... Most of you wouldn't have current jobs/hobbies without the records that were made by this man or by the people whose careers he helped pave way for. Ever hear of Motown? I'm sure most of you have quite a few releases from them in your jukes as we speak. Berry Gordy would never have had his success without the Jackson family and you would never have the records to play that followed. His success directly funded the manufacture and distribution of some of the most influential and beautiful "singles" "45's" to ever hit a jukebox. So long story short... Please keep your ignorant corny jokes to yourselves or email each other directly. You have become the racist, homophobic, single person jury, idiotic grandfathers and uncles i never wanted to have dinner with. (or read emails from) Maybe then some of us will be able to keep a small amount of respect we may or may not have left for you. My signature in this email is my real one. If anyone has anything to reply with please do so directly to relieve anyone from being "molested" by your idiotic "Archie Bunker" emails... (I'm sure most of you will get my reference. So you all know, I am not a fan of his.. Besides the Jackson 5 songs. I just can't stand idiots that have nothing to add to an otherwise informative email circle. Sincerely, Alexander Saavedra alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 eyeball records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ 07436 http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com eyeball records | el presidente paper tiger llc | War Chief w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work product. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this electronic transmission is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender by reply e-mail, destroy all hard copies of the original message and attachments and delete same from your system. Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. Thank you. From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Fri Jun 26 17:04:19 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Robert Aker) Date: Fri Jun 26 17:06:00 2009 Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject References: Message-ID: <000b01c9f6ba$d1a5e530$0201a8c0@desktop> Alexander - if you don't like the content - unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex saavedra" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:44 PM Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > Wow. > I've been reading and enduring these "no comment" emails for over a > day now. > I originally signed up for this email list because i thought it would > be a great opportunity to learn from the best. What i have learned is > the majority of you claim to "have nothing nice to say, so won't say > anything." however you seem to have more than a mouthful. > > I could honestly care less about your politics or personal feelings > until now... Now that you keep throwing them into my face. It seems > that i have stumbled onto a load of ignorant, angry, cranky, old men > (and some women) who like to cast judgement. Judgment that 12 peers > wasn't enough for. This man was found innocent of all charges. He was > set free in the eyes of the judicial system but not in the eyes of the > stone casters. Wether he is was guilty or not.. I don't know. Wether > you are guilty or not.. Yes, you have proven your guilt of intolerance > and stone throwing. > > True fact... Most of you wouldn't have current jobs/hobbies without > the records that were made by this man or by the people whose careers > he helped pave way for. Ever hear of Motown? I'm sure most of you have > quite a few releases from them in your jukes as we speak. Berry Gordy > would never have had his success without the Jackson family and you > would never have the records to play that followed. His success > directly funded the manufacture and distribution of some of the most > influential and beautiful "singles" "45's" to ever hit a jukebox. > > So long story short... Please keep your ignorant corny jokes to > yourselves or email each other directly. You have become the racist, > homophobic, single person jury, idiotic grandfathers and uncles i > never wanted to have dinner with. (or read emails from) > > Maybe then some of us will be able to keep a small amount of respect > we may or may not have left for you. > > My signature in this email is my real one. If anyone has anything to > reply with please do so directly to relieve anyone from being > "molested" by your idiotic "Archie Bunker" emails... (I'm sure most of > you will get my reference. > > So you all know, I am not a fan of his.. Besides the Jackson 5 songs. > I just can't stand idiots that have nothing to add to an otherwise > informative email circle. > > Sincerely, > Alexander Saavedra > > > > > > alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 > eyeball records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ 07436 > http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com > > eyeball records | el presidente > paper tiger llc | War Chief > w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 > > P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail > > This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail > message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work > product. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any > review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of > this electronic transmission is prohibited. If you have received this > electronic transmission in error, please immediately contact the > sender by reply e-mail, destroy all hard copies of the original > message and attachments and delete same from your system. > Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this > communication cannot be guaranteed. > > Thank you. > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 26 17:10:58 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Fri Jun 26 17:12:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! Message-ID: <965949.3968.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hehe that's cute....lol...maybe a mud bog ride on my jeep...lmao...anyhoo...I did pop the big Q and she said yes!..still havent found a parts juke yet...I may have a source for parts;but I'd love to get some touch up paint for the top of the cabinet;looks kind of gray.... Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Tue, 6/9/09, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: From: dave.halford@telent.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 10:07 AM Try an E body Mopar on the drive, that might just tip her over the edge. regards Dave H ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ???Ken? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???To ? ? ? ? ? ???Sent by:? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Jukebox mailing list? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???jukebox-list-boun? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ???ces@lists.netloji? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? cc ? ? ? ? ? ???x.com? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Subject ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Re: [Jukebox-list] New member??? ? ? ? ? ? ???09/06/2009 13:57? ? ? ? ? here;just got 1st Jukebox!? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ???Please respond to? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Jukebox mailing? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???list? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? Hehehe...thanks to all for such a warm welcome to the group! Actually it was my g/f that came up with the phrase-it was all her idea lol.....my retro room/man cave has lots to keep me busy-stereo TV w/combo vcr dvdr;over 400 dvds & vhs's;computer;1000's & 1000's of baseball cards,a EM pinball machine & now a jukebox.everyone is invited;just bring your quarters hahaha.......The only other things I'm looking for for my 'cave' are some retro looking signs,and mybe a small soda & candy machine...even with all this the g/f doesnt complain that I spend too much time down in the cellar...speaking of the g/f....I bought an engagement ring that she doesnt know about;just trying to figure out a romantic proposal.....the juke doesn need some minor things;I'm lucky it came with the parts & service manual.Any tips anyone can pass along would be greatly appreciated! Thanks again! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 10:54 PM OK--I'll say it --Hell NO !!? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 6/8/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] New member here;just got 1st Jukebox! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 7:12 PM --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Ken wrote: Hi, Ken, welcome to the group! However...? :-) > It's a Rowe/AMI CD-51-a > rather compact juke;it fits just right in my "man cave"... Where did this phrase come from?? I'd never heard it until a few months ago, and it sounds an awful lot like a perjorative term styled by a disgruntled wife.? Would any man referring to a room designed by his wife (ie, most rooms in any typical couple's house) as a "woman cave" expect to survive the resulting confrontation?? :-) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any? ? ? ? ? ? attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Jun 26 17:15:53 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Jun 26 17:17:32 2009 Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <682596.85274.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey I like Archie Bunker!!! Heheheheh Hey Edit get me anodda beer! --- On Fri, 6/26/09, Robert Aker wrote: From: Robert Aker Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, June 26, 2009, 8:04 PM Alexander? - if you don't like the content - unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex saavedra" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:44 PM Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > Wow. > I've been reading and enduring these "no comment" emails for over a? day now. > I originally signed up for this email list because i thought it would? be a great opportunity to learn from the best. What i have learned is? the majority of you claim to "have nothing nice to say, so won't say? anything." however you seem to have more than a mouthful. > > I could honestly care less about your politics or personal feelings? until now... Now that you keep throwing them into my face.? It seems? that i have stumbled onto a load of ignorant, angry, cranky, old men? (and some women) who like to cast judgement. Judgment that 12 peers? wasn't enough for. This man was found innocent of all charges. He was? set free in the eyes of the judicial system but not in the eyes of the? stone casters. Wether he is was guilty or not.. I don't know. Wether? you are guilty or not.. Yes, you have proven your guilt of intolerance? and stone throwing. > > True fact... Most of you wouldn't have current jobs/hobbies without? the records that were made by this man or by the people whose careers? he helped pave way for. Ever hear of Motown? I'm sure most of you have? quite a few releases from them in your jukes as we speak. Berry Gordy? would never have had his success without the Jackson family and you? would never have the records to play that followed. His success? directly funded the manufacture and distribution of some of the most? influential and beautiful "singles" "45's" to ever hit a jukebox. > > So long story short... Please keep your ignorant corny jokes to? yourselves or email each other directly. You have become the racist,? homophobic, single person jury, idiotic grandfathers and uncles i? never wanted to have dinner with. (or read emails from) > > Maybe then some of us will be able to keep a small amount of respect? we may or may not have left for you. > > My signature in this email is my real one. If anyone has anything to? reply with please do so directly to relieve anyone from being? "molested" by your idiotic "Archie Bunker" emails... (I'm sure most of? you will get my reference. > > So you all know, I am not a fan of his.. Besides the Jackson 5 songs.? I just can't stand idiots that have nothing to add to an otherwise? informative email circle. > > Sincerely, > Alexander Saavedra > > > > > > alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 > eyeball records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ 07436 > http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com > > eyeball records | el presidente > paper tiger llc | War Chief > w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 > > P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail > >? This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail? message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the? intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work? product. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any? review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of? this electronic transmission is prohibited. If you have received this? electronic transmission in error, please immediately contact the? sender by reply e-mail, destroy all hard copies of the original? message and attachments and delete same from your system. > Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this? communication cannot be guaranteed. > > Thank you. > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 26 17:09:28 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Fri Jun 26 17:17:44 2009 Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <726048.41413.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm glad Alex posted what he posted. I value freedom of expression, and think that best way to counter hate speech is with more speech and less hate.? For the most part that's what Alex did. TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools --- On Fri, 6/26/09, alex saavedra wrote: From edbap at aol.com Fri Jun 26 17:19:08 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 26 17:27:51 2009 Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBC4D405F6E0C6-1388-1182@FWM-M26.sysops.aol.com> HUGE difference between innocent, and not guilty.? just ask OJ and he will explain it to you. -----Original Message----- From: alex saavedra To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:44 pm Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Wow.? I've been reading and enduring these "no comment" emails for over a day now.? I originally signed up for this email list because i thought it would be a great opportunity to learn from the best. What i have learned is the majority of you claim to "have nothing nice to say, so won't say anything." however you seem to have more than a mouthful.? ? I could honestly care less about your politics or personal feelings until now... Now that you keep throwing them into my face. It seems that i have stumbled onto a load of ignorant, angry, cranky, old men (and some women) who like to cast judgement. Judgment that 12 peers wasn't enough for. This man was found innocent of all charges. He was set free in the eyes of the judicial system but not in the eyes of the stone casters. Wether he is was guilty or not.. I don't know. Wether you are guilty or not.. Yes, you have proven your guilt of intolerance and stone throwing.? ? True fact... Most of you wouldn't have current jobs/hobbies without the records that were made by this man or by the people whose careers he helped pave way for. Ever hear of Motown? I'm sure most of you have quite a few releases from them in your jukes as we speak. Berry Gordy would never have had his success without the Jackson family and you would never have the records to play that followed. His success directly funded the manufacture and distribution of some of the most influential and beautiful "singles" "45's" to ever hit a jukebox.? ? So long story short... Please keep your ignorant corny jokes to yourselves or email each other directly. You have become the racist, homophobic, single person jury, idiotic grandfathers and uncles i never wanted to have dinner with. (or read emails from)? ? Maybe then some of us will be able to keep a small amount of respect we may or may not have left for you.? ? My signature in this email is my real one. If anyone has anything to reply with please do so directly to relieve anyone from being "molested" by your idiotic "Archie Bunker" emails... (I'm sure most of you will get my reference.? ? So you all know, I am not a fan of his.. Besides the Jackson 5 songs. I just can't stand idiots that have nothing to add to an otherwise informative email circle.? ? Sincerely,? Alexander Saavedra? ? ? ? alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044? eyeball records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ 07436? http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com? ? eyeball records | el presidente? paper tiger llc | War Chief? w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044? ? P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail? ? ?This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work product. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this electronic transmission is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender by reply e-mail, destroy all hard copies of the original message and attachments and delete same from your system.? Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed.? ? Thank you.? ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 26 17:26:59 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Fri Jun 26 17:28:17 2009 Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <726048.41413.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <726048.41413.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1E12FB000CEB481F92E9A13E85D09787@WilliamHPLap> AGREED!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Mertz" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject I'm glad Alex posted what he posted. I value freedom of expression, and think that best way to counter hate speech is with more speech and less hate. For the most part that's what Alex did. TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on Madison Public Schools --- On Fri, 6/26/09, alex saavedra wrote: _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Fri Jun 26 17:31:24 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 26 17:39:38 2009 Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <000b01c9f6ba$d1a5e530$0201a8c0@desktop> References: <000b01c9f6ba$d1a5e530$0201a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <8CBC4D5BC9D1BD8-748-11EE@webmail-da19.sysops.aol.com> Hey, if there's a topic or a thread I'm not interested in, I simply delete the posts.? -----Original Message----- From: Robert Aker To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:04 pm Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Alexander - if you don't like the content - unsubscribe? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex saavedra" ? To: "Jukebox mailing list" ? Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:44 PM? Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject? ? > Wow.? > I've been reading and enduring these "no comment" emails for over a > day now.? > I originally signed up for this email list because i thought it would > be a great opportunity to learn from the best. What i have learned is > the majority of you claim to "have nothing nice to say, so won't say > anything." however you seem to have more than a mouthful.? > > I could honestly care less about your politics or personal feelings > until now... Now that you keep throwing them into my face. It seems > that i have stumbled onto a load of ignorant, angry, cranky, old men > (and some women) who like to cast judgement. Judgment that 12 peers > wasn't enough for. This man was found innocent of all charges. He was > set free in the eyes of the judicial system but not in the eyes of the >=2 0stone casters. Wether he is was guilty or not.. I don't know. Wether > you are guilty or not.. Yes, you have proven your guilt of intolerance > and stone throwing.? > > True fact... Most of you wouldn't have current jobs/hobbies without > the records that were made by this man or by the people whose careers > he helped pave way for. Ever hear of Motown? I'm sure most of you have > quite a few releases from them in your jukes as we speak. Berry Gordy > would never have had his success without the Jackson family and you > would never have the records to play that followed. His success > directly funded the manufacture and distribution of some of the most > influential and beautiful "singles" "45's" to ever hit a jukebox.? > > So long story short... Please keep your ignorant corny jokes to > yourselves or email each other directly. You have become the racist, > homophobic, single person jury, idiotic grandfathers and uncles i > never wanted to have dinner with. (or read emails from)? > > Maybe then some of us will be able to keep a small amount of respect > we may or may not have left for you.? > > My signature in this email is my real one. If anyone has anything to > reply with please do so directly to relieve anyone from being > "molested" by your idiotic "Archie Bunker" emails... (I'm sure most of > you will get my reference.? > > So you all know, I am not a fan of his.. Besides the Jackson 5 songs. > I just can't stand idiots that have nothing to add to an otherwise > informative email circle.? > > Sincerely,? > Alexander Saavedra? > > > > > > alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044? > eyeball records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ 07436? > http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com? > > eyeball records | el presidente? > paper tiger llc | War Chief? > w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044? > > P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail? > > This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail > message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work > product. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any > review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of > this electronic transmission is prohibited. If you have received this > electronic transmission in error, please immediately contact the > sender by reply e-mail, destroy all hard copies of the original > message and attachments and delete same from your system.? > Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this > communication cannot be guaranteed.? > > Thank you.? > > > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list maili ng list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? >? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 17:42:05 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Jun 26 17:43:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <687217.50856.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <687217.50856.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: LOL... Unlike Robert, I saved all the MJ singles I have pulled out of jukes over the years.... They work great when you are working on a jukebox that issues that might "eat" records. One should always keep a stash of "disposable" records just for this purpose. Nothing is more satisfying than to see "Billie Jean" eaten by a badly adjusted mech.... :) Likewise with most of his records of this era... He should have stuck with the style of his younger years on songs such as "Ben". I can at least listen to that without wanting to destroy the device playing it... :) Thomas On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > I don't think he can do that as I think he used them for Skeet shooting! > > Regards, Tony > > --- On Fri, 6/26/09, Jon Scaptura wrote: > > > From: Jon Scaptura > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Friday, June 26, 2009, 6:59 PM > > > Send those records my way - I'll take them. > > Jon > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Aker" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > > > > I've bought a lot of jukes from operators to refurbish and sell to home > owners and many came with records. I ALWAYS throw out the MJ stuff - I want > to nothing to do with that freak pedophile > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "etreble7" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > > > > > >> Nicely stated Aaron, I have always left my favorite Michael Jackson > Dancin tunes in my Jukeboxes...those I don't swap out! > >> Jackie > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Heverin" < > aaron@vertasource.com> > >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:48 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > >> > >> > >> Jackie, > >> I... for one... have no problem with going on record as saying that > "Thriller" is one of my all time favorite albums. Every single song, in my > opinion, was a classic for its time. I was one of the first albums on my > iPod, and I'm not ashamed to admit that I was a fan of Michael Jackson's > music. > >> > >> That's how he should be remembered...for the music. Forget everything > else. There's plenty of freaks in the world. Not too many folks with genuine > musical talent and not something that is the product of a greedy producer > simply because you're 19 years old and can squeak out a song while shaking > your butt in a pair of shorts that barely fit you. > >> > >> So I'll say it loudly... as I head home with the intent of putting > "Billie Jean" into one of the jukeboxes... "Long Live the King of Pop > (Music)!" > >> > >> > >> Aaron > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Jukebox-list mailing list > >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! > Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From s.cummings4738 at att.net Fri Jun 26 17:49:24 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Fri Jun 26 17:50:50 2009 Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1054840495-1246063753-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2142782036-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I would say an $8M settlement with a gag order is enough for me to decide what happened. And I'm sorry, talented or not, what he was accused of, repeatedly, and voluntarily settled out of court to shut up, is more than enough to wipe out any good he may have done. People can be eccentric, black, white, straight, gay, whatever. I don't care what you are. But if you touch a child (and please, let's not pretend that because he was found not guilty means that he was innocent) you deserve the very worst punishment humankind or God can deliver. There, I've said my peace. -----Original Message----- From: alex saavedra Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:44:26 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Wow. I've been reading and enduring these "no comment" emails for over a day now. I originally signed up for this email list because i thought it would be a great opportunity to learn from the best. What i have learned is the majority of you claim to "have nothing nice to say, so won't say anything." however you seem to have more than a mouthful. I could honestly care less about your politics or personal feelings until now... Now that you keep throwing them into my face. It seems that i have stumbled onto a load of ignorant, angry, cranky, old men (and some women) who like to cast judgement. Judgment that 12 peers wasn't enough for. This man was found innocent of all charges. He was set free in the eyes of the judicial system but not in the eyes of the stone casters. Wether he is was guilty or not.. I don't know. Wether you are guilty or not.. Yes, you have proven your guilt of intolerance and stone throwing. True fact... Most of you wouldn't have current jobs/hobbies without the records that were made by this man or by the people whose careers he helped pave way for. Ever hear of Motown? I'm sure most of you have quite a few releases from them in your jukes as we speak. Berry Gordy would never have had his success without the Jackson family and you would never have the records to play that followed. His success directly funded the manufacture and distribution of some of the most influential and beautiful "singles" "45's" to ever hit a jukebox. So long story short... Please keep your ignorant corny jokes to yourselves or email each other directly. You have become the racist, homophobic, single person jury, idiotic grandfathers and uncles i never wanted to have dinner with. (or read emails from) Maybe then some of us will be able to keep a small amount of respect we may or may not have left for you. My signature in this email is my real one. If anyone has anything to reply with please do so directly to relieve anyone from being "molested" by your idiotic "Archie Bunker" emails... (I'm sure most of you will get my reference. So you all know, I am not a fan of his.. Besides the Jackson 5 songs. I just can't stand idiots that have nothing to add to an otherwise informative email circle. Sincerely, Alexander Saavedra alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 eyeball records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ 07436 http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com eyeball records | el presidente paper tiger llc | War Chief w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work product. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this electronic transmission is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender by reply e-mail, destroy all hard copies of the original message and attachments and delete same from your system. Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Jun 26 17:50:03 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Jun 26 17:51:42 2009 Subject: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <366880.4280.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Its a free country (at least last I checked) everyone is entitled to an opinion and the option to express it too. My opinion is as stated. I can't see why some people cannot see through the rose coloured glasses. In the case of OJ it was all about money eg: how much money you have can get you out of just about anything. I have seen the lies that MJ told in front of cameras about not having his face modified and then saw the temper. He was seriously mentally and physically ill yet he continued on hie way. To put it short if you want to stop digging a hole you put down the farking shovel and stop digging. As for the King of pop that is a label alot of his stuff he was helped with but yet took the credit for the whole thing. Did anyone ever see what the guy was buying when they had to shut down the malls for him? Just totally wacked. Even the credit card companys were scared to cut him off because he was so far in debit. Also just because someone is not convicted of being guilty does not mean they inocent. History repeats itself over and over of guilty people that got away with murder and usally they got away with it because they were Rich or had alot of influence. Usually I am a fence sitter but when someone on the opposite of the fence tosses a STONE in my direction I sure as hell am gonna toss it back.. and make it count. I say for the people that say good riddence MJ let them express how they feel. I have listened to the other side too. But the first stone was tossed by the pro MJ people. We only voiced our opinions and then got verbally attack Fooey on you Alex. --- On Fri, 6/26/09, Thomas Mertz wrote: From: Thomas Mertz Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, June 26, 2009, 8:09 PM I'm glad Alex posted what he posted. I value freedom of expression, and think that best way to counter hate speech is with more speech and less hate.? For the most part that's what Alex did. TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net? Advocating on?Madison Public Schools --- On Fri, 6/26/09, alex saavedra wrote: _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Jun 26 17:52:19 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Jun 26 17:53:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <46199.29526.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes his early stuff was ok.. I do the same with the newer stuff. Its not just the sound but it reminds me of the videos with him grabbing his crotch and screaming like a little girl etc. Ya think that takes talent? --- On Fri, 6/26/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, June 26, 2009, 8:42 PM LOL...? Unlike Robert, I saved all the MJ singles I have pulled out of jukes over the years....???They work great when you are working on a jukebox that issues that might "eat" records. One should always keep a stash of "disposable" records just for this purpose. Nothing is more satisfying than to see "Billie Jean" eaten by a badly adjusted mech....???:)???Likewise with most of his records of this era...???He should have stuck with the style of his younger years on songs such as "Ben". I can at least listen to that without wanting to destroy the device playing it...???:) Thomas On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > I don't think he can do that as I think he used them for Skeet shooting! > > Regards, Tony > > --- On Fri, 6/26/09, Jon Scaptura wrote: > > > From: Jon Scaptura > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Friday, June 26, 2009, 6:59 PM > > > Send those records my way - I'll take them. > > Jon > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Aker" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > > > > I've bought a lot of jukes from operators to refurbish and sell to home > owners and many came with records. I ALWAYS throw out the MJ stuff - I want > to nothing to do with that freak pedophile > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "etreble7" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > > > > > >> Nicely stated Aaron, I have always left my favorite Michael Jackson > Dancin tunes in my Jukeboxes...those I don't swap out! > >> Jackie > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Heverin" < > aaron@vertasource.com> > >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:48 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > >> > >> > >> Jackie, > >> I... for one... have no problem with going on record as saying that > "Thriller" is one of my all time favorite albums. Every single song, in my > opinion, was a classic for its time. I was one of the first albums on my > iPod, and I'm not ashamed to admit that I was a fan of Michael Jackson's > music. > >> > >> That's how he should be remembered...for the music. Forget everything > else. There's plenty of freaks in the world. Not too many folks with genuine > musical talent and not something that is the product of a greedy producer > simply because you're 19 years old and can squeak out a song while shaking > your butt in a pair of shorts that barely fit you. > >> > >> So I'll say it loudly... as I head home with the intent of putting > "Billie Jean" into one of the jukeboxes... "Long Live the King of Pop > (Music)!" > >> > >> > >> Aaron > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Jukebox-list mailing list > >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > >? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! > Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com >? _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From jay at west.net Fri Jun 26 17:58:05 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jun 26 17:59:41 2009 Subject: Administrivia - Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <366880.4280.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <366880.4280.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A456E9D.7040400@west.net> I think this thread has about run its course, let's kill it before someone gets called a Nazi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From alex at eyeballrecords.com Fri Jun 26 18:17:59 2009 From: alex at eyeballrecords.com (alex saavedra) Date: Fri Jun 26 18:19:42 2009 Subject: Administrivia - Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <4A456E9D.7040400@west.net> References: <366880.4280.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A456E9D.7040400@west.net> Message-ID: <92B96A21-045C-492D-8432-0E2A16A4403D@eyeballrecords.com> Oh jeez.. Are you emailing us from drama class? Nobody ever said Nazi. Grow up. -A On Jun 26, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > I think this thread has about run its course, let's kill it before > someone gets called a Nazi. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 eyeball records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ 07436 http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com eyeball records | el presidente paper tiger llc | janitor w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work product. 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From s.cummings4738 at att.net Fri Jun 26 18:21:03 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Fri Jun 26 18:22:34 2009 Subject: Administrivia - Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <92B96A21-045C-492D-8432-0E2A16A4403D@eyeballrecords.com> References: <366880.4280.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4A456E9D.7040400@west.net><92B96A21-045C-492D-8432-0E2A16A4403D@eyeballrecords.com> Message-ID: <1821703572-1246065655-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1556113139-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Alex, meet Jay. He is our friendly neighborhood list administrator. Oops. -----Original Message----- From: alex saavedra Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:17:59 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: Administrivia - Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Oh jeez.. Are you emailing us from drama class? Nobody ever said Nazi. Grow up. -A On Jun 26, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > I think this thread has about run its course, let's kill it before > someone gets called a Nazi. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 eyeball records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ 07436 http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com eyeball records | el presidente paper tiger llc | janitor w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work product. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Fri Jun 26 18:23:38 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Fri Jun 26 18:25:16 2009 Subject: Administrivia - Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Message-ID: <381828.3121.qm@web96013.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Is this still the JUKEBOX forum or have I been bumped onto some red kneck homophobe site... come on team get focused.Cheers John --- On Sat, 27/6/09, alex saavedra wrote: From: alex saavedra Subject: Re: Administrivia - Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Saturday, 27 June, 2009, 1:17 PM Oh jeez.. Are you emailing us from drama class? Nobody ever said Nazi. Grow up. -A On Jun 26, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > I think this thread has about run its course, let's kill it before someone gets called a Nazi. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 eyeball records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ 07436 http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com eyeball records | el presidente paper tiger llc | janitor w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work product. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From alex at eyeballrecords.com Fri Jun 26 18:30:34 2009 From: alex at eyeballrecords.com (alex saavedra) Date: Fri Jun 26 18:38:03 2009 Subject: Administrivia - Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: <1821703572-1246065655-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1556113139-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <366880.4280.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4A456E9D.7040400@west.net><92B96A21-045C-492D-8432-0E2A16A4403D@eyeballrecords.com> <1821703572-1246065655-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1556113139-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Dear Scott, and Jay, No oops... No Nazi stuff. I tried to keep this external. I have also tried to keep this away from the group. Enjoy your witch hunt for nazis that are clearly not hear. BTW google me. I have over 9 million records sold with my name on them. I don't care about the jerks on this list Thank you to you all for input and knowledge. Scott introduce yourself to my google and enjoy your basement. i'm 31 and have seen the world with my music. enjoy music in your garage hiding from your wife. Please feel free to delete me if you choose. I enjoy learning from the majority knowledge. Just please remember I was deleted for asking the group to not include politics. xoxo -A On Jun 26, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Scott Cummings wrote: > Alex, meet Jay. He is our friendly neighborhood list administrator. > > Oops. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alex saavedra > > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:17:59 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: Administrivia - Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > > > Oh jeez.. Are you emailing us from drama class? Nobody ever said Nazi. > Grow up. > -A > > > On Jun 26, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > >> I think this thread has about run its course, let's kill it before >> someone gets called a Nazi. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law >> >> -- >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 > eyeball records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ > 07436 > http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com > > eyeball records | el presidente > paper tiger llc | janitor > w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 > > P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail > > This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail > message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work > product. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any > review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of > this electronic transmission is prohibited. If you have received this > electronic transmission in error, please immediately contact the > sender by reply e-mail, destroy all hard copies of the original > message and attachments and delete same from your system. > Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this > communication cannot be guaranteed. > > Thank you. > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 eyeball records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ 07436 http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com eyeball records | el presidente paper tiger llc | janitor w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work product. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this electronic transmission is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender by reply e-mail, destroy all hard copies of the original message and attachments and delete same from your system. Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. Thank you. From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 26 18:42:35 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Fri Jun 26 18:44:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Meanwhile... Message-ID: <360421.1064.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ...I'm mourning Sky Saxon of the Seeds also (another person whose life is bizarre and whose music I value). http://skysaxon.com/ TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools From s.cummings4738 at att.net Fri Jun 26 18:44:31 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Fri Jun 26 18:46:00 2009 Subject: Administrivia - Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: References: <366880.4280.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4A456E9D.7040400@west.net><92B96A21-045C-492D-8432-0E2A16A4403D@eyeballrecords.com><1821703572-1246065655-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1556113139-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <2024065584-1246067063-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-184967550-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Wow. I, uh, don't even know what to say. -----Original Message----- From: alex saavedra Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:30:34 To: ; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: Administrivia - Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject Dear Scott, and Jay, No oops... No Nazi stuff. I tried to keep this external. I have also tried to keep this away from the group. Enjoy your witch hunt for nazis that are clearly not hear. BTW google me. I have over 9 million records sold with my name on them. I don't care about the jerks on this list Thank you to you all for input and knowledge. Scott introduce yourself to my google and enjoy your basement. i'm 31 and have seen the world with my music. enjoy music in your garage hiding from your wife. Please feel free to delete me if you choose. I enjoy learning from the majority knowledge. Just please remember I was deleted for asking the group to not include politics. xoxo -A On Jun 26, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Scott Cummings wrote: > Alex, meet Jay. He is our friendly neighborhood list administrator. > > Oops. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alex saavedra > > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:17:59 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: Administrivia - Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject > > > Oh jeez.. Are you emailing us from drama class? Nobody ever said Nazi. > Grow up. > -A > > > On Jun 26, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > >> I think this thread has about run its course, let's kill it before >> someone gets called a Nazi. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law >> >> -- >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 > eyeball records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ > 07436 > http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com > > eyeball records | el presidente > paper tiger llc | janitor > w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 > > P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail > > This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail > message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work > product. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any > review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of > this electronic transmission is prohibited. If you have received this > electronic transmission in error, please immediately contact the > sender by reply e-mail, destroy all hard copies of the original > message and attachments and delete same from your system. > Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this > communication cannot be guaranteed. > > Thank you. > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 eyeball records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ 07436 http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com eyeball records | el presidente paper tiger llc | janitor w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work product. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this electronic transmission is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender by reply e-mail, destroy all hard copies of the original message and attachments and delete same from your system. Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Fri Jun 26 18:47:27 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 26 18:55:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? In-Reply-To: <360421.1064.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <360421.1064.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBC4E05C5F32AE-15E4-12EB@webmail-mh46.sysops.aol.com> OK, back to jukin, I need a replacement 15inch speaker for a Seeburg B.? any ideas? From jay at west.net Fri Jun 26 19:06:51 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jun 26 19:08:27 2009 Subject: Administrivia - Re: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject In-Reply-To: References: <366880.4280.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4A456E9D.7040400@west.net><92B96A21-045C-492D-8432-0E2A16A4403D@eyeballrecords.com> <1821703572-1246065655-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1556113139-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4A457EBB.7090203@west.net> alex saavedra wrote: > Dear Scott, and Jay, > > No oops... No Nazi stuff. I tried to keep this external. I have also > tried to keep this away from the group. > > Enjoy your witch hunt for nazis that are clearly not hear. Alex and others, the link which I included was a hint as to how this and similar threads tend to disintegrate. Mike Godwin is a very long time online discussion group enthusiast. He is well known to system and network people who maintain discussion lists. Back in 1990 he made the following observation: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1." This has become known as "Godwin's Law" and my reference to it was an implication that the group discussion was going far afield. A corollary to Godwin's Law is that once such a comparison is made, rational debate has ended and the first person to make the reference has lost the argument. Here's the link again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law I was calling for an end to the thread *before* it reached the point where Godwin's Law was invoked. Like you, I agree that we have veered far off-topic and want to end the discussion having nothing to do with jukeboxes. > Please feel free to delete me if you choose. I enjoy learning from the > majority knowledge. Just please remember I was deleted for asking the > group to not include politics. We're on the same wavelength here. I agree that the political nature of this topic is futile to carry on in this forum. Please end it. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Fri Jun 26 19:10:46 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jun 26 19:12:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? In-Reply-To: <8CBC4E05C5F32AE-15E4-12EB@webmail-mh46.sysops.aol.com> References: <360421.1064.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CBC4E05C5F32AE-15E4-12EB@webmail-mh46.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A457FA6.8090407@west.net> edbap@aol.com wrote: > OK, back to jukin, > > I need a replacement 15inch speaker for a Seeburg B.? any ideas? No chance of reconing/rebuilding the original? That's a field coil speaker. Modern replacements will be very hard to come by. If you replace it with a permanent magnet type, you will need to install a power resistor to replace the field coil. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From edbap at aol.com Fri Jun 26 19:17:55 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 26 19:57:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? In-Reply-To: <4A457FA6.8090407@west.net> References: <360421.1064.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CBC4E05C5F32AE-15E4-12EB@webmail-mh46.sysops.aol.com> <4A457FA6.8090407@west.net> Message-ID: <8CBC4E49DAB6A7E-14FC-520F@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> Original is Gone, so How do I add a power resistor?? Solder a resistor inline, and ?Im good to go? -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? edbap@aol.com wrote:? > OK, back to jukin,? > > I need a replacement 15inch speaker for a Seeburg B.? any ideas?? ? No chance of reconing/rebuilding the original?? ? That's a field coil speaker. Modern replacements will be very hard to come by. If you replace it with a permanent magnet type, you will need to install a power resistor to replace the field coil.? ? --? Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Jun 26 20:33:20 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Jun 26 20:34:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? Message-ID: <509584.56699.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 6/26/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: > Original is Gone, > so How do I add a power resistor?? Solder a resistor > inline, and ?Im good to go? A voice coil wire broke deep within the speaker on my M100-A back in the late 70s. I got a permanent magnet replacement, complete with a ceramic resistor to load the amplifier, (the speaker field coil load is required for the amp to function) from Jukebox Junkyard. 30 years later, it's still going strong, FWIW. [This is a non-solicited, no-business-interest-for-me recommendation. Just a happy customer.] From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jun 26 20:45:14 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jun 26 20:46:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? Message-ID: <961533.91640.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Why ? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 6/26/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 6:47 PM OK, back to jukin, I need a replacement 15inch speaker for a Seeburg B.? any ideas? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jun 26 20:49:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jun 26 20:51:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? Message-ID: <504083.83078.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Did you try finding one from the "usual suspects" ?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 6/26/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 7:17 PM Original is Gone, so How do I add a power resistor?? Solder a resistor inline, and ?Im good to go? -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? edbap@aol.com wrote:? > OK, back to jukin,? > > I need a replacement 15inch speaker for a Seeburg B.? any ideas?? ? No chance of reconing/rebuilding the original?? ? That's a field coil speaker. Modern replacements will be very hard to come by. If you replace it with a permanent magnet type, you will need to install a power resistor to replace the field coil.? ? --? Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jugert at msn.com Fri Jun 26 21:04:00 2009 From: jugert at msn.com (jugert@msn.com) Date: Fri Jun 26 21:05:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? In-Reply-To: <504083.83078.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <504083.83078.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ed, Current B speaker on ebay, it should go between $150 & $175 bucks not including shipping. It apears to be a real nice one. heres the link http://cgi.ebay.com/Seeburg-M100B-Jukebox-15-Field-Coil-Speaker_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a1Q7c66Q3a4Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a200QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem4a98a8dba9QQitemZ320388783017QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f0QQsalenotsupported Don Jugert Colorado > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:49:37 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Did you try finding one from the "usual suspects" ? Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 6/26/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: > > From: edbap@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 7:17 PM > > > > Original is Gone, > so How do I add a power resistor?? Solder a resistor inline, and ?Im good to go? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Hennigan > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:10 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? > > > edbap@aol.com wrote:? > > OK, back to jukin,? > > > I need a replacement 15inch speaker for a Seeburg B.? any ideas?? > ? > No chance of reconing/rebuilding the original?? > ? > That's a field coil speaker. Modern replacements will be very hard to come by. If you replace it with a permanent magnet type, you will need to install a power resistor to replace the field coil.? > ? > --? > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 26 21:26:14 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Fri Jun 26 21:27:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Please, i'm begging! no more "Off-topic"..... Message-ID: Jackie, I hate to say it, but you were sort of asking for those replies by posting such a ridiculous message on a technical jukebox web-ring. Sadly, this list gets too far off topic as is, and what a mess it's become. Look at the posts from 10 years ago and you'll see why this was once the BEST place on the web for service people and hobbyists to get TECHNICAL info. Boy do I miss the old days sometimes. To the best of my knowledge, this was never founded as a "chat" forum; there are plenty of other sites for that. The first line on the info page for this list: ""This unmoderated mailing list is for the purpose of discussing coin-operated phonographs and related accessories."" Further down the page: "" Q: What kind of messages are NOT acceptable? A: Flames or insults, blatantly commercial messages, messages NOT related to jukeboxes or related items"" Please lets all be mindful in the future; keep off-topic items away from this list. Justin Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:26:25 -0400 From: "etreble7" Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: Message-ID: <0937CB7B63F84F9D97AFEC01EF3E4362@home1903> Content- essage: 20Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good Morning, seems we all have very strong opinions on the Death of Michael Jackson....good...that's what makes the world go round. I think very few people can accept his personal issues, and as a mother of 7 children I have my own view on them...HOWEVER.....I too, was taught that the judgement comes from someone other than me and there is worth in everyone's life. I think there are very few people that can listen to Billy Jean or Beat It and not tap a foot to it.(we may not want to admit it, lol) ....let me also add that I highly respect his MOON WALK! Jackie Dancin' Out Message: 18 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:45:29 -0400 From: rellis2007@aol.com My grandfather said the same thing, I feel Mr jackson was a wast of life, But God will be the judge. Not Me. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Lala Blah Blah My Mom and Dad said.. if you have nothing nice to say.. say nothing at all concerning M. Jackson). Can't resist.. GUILTY! eehee... Tony --- On Thu, 6/25/09, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 hi to all, had to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael Jackson....such a beautiful young child that grew up such a strange way.? I will always appreciate is gift to music...God Bless Jackie __________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jun 26 21:47:50 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jun 26 21:49:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? Message-ID: <20090627.004750.11965.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Ed: There are several routes you could take to replace the 15" full range, single cone spkr in your Seeburg 100-C. I'm going to try to answer all your possible questions in advance. If you want to keep the unit historically accurate, try to find another used Seeburg field coil speaker for sale. Most of them had 8-16 ohm voice coils and 5200 ohm field coils. You would have to check/change connections but the 15" field coil spkrs pulled from Rock Ola, Wurlitzer would be a close acoustical match. In many cases these old speakers need to be reconed. Expect to pay about $75-110 for this service. There are a few modern full range, hi-resonance, single-cone, permanent-magnet 15" spkrs available that would be a close acoustical match to the original unit. This would be either a public address woofer or a lead guitar spkr. A few makes-models that come to mind are the Jensen "Mod" series or the Jensen "Classic" series. There are quite a few choices within that product line. Buy the spkrs with a ceramic magnet (equivalent Alnico models will cost much more with little difference to the ear) Another generic-level spkr that's a good value are speakers from Goldwood or Eminence. Most 15" spkrs like this will cost about $100-125 at electronics parts houses. Take care NOT to buy low-res spkrs that have foam or "accordion" surrounds---these are a poor match for a jukebox. The value of the resistor you need to buy to replace the missing field coil is 5200 ohms with a power rating of 20 watts. You can usually find mtg brackets to mount the resistor on the spkr baffle board. Bear in mind that there will be high voltage (about 360 V DC) at the resistor and that it will get fairly hot when the amp is in the "on" mode. Recently there was a quick discussion thread here about using top-of-the-line component-quality spkr drivers for juke use. There are 15" co-axial spkrs (they have center mounted high-freq driver/horn in the cone assemblyand come with a 2 way crossover network) used in the pro sound installation market. installing one of these will provide a big difference in performance, especially the high response if you are into great sound quality. These will be expensive,though, if buying new. 15" co-ax spkr system from the JBL, Altec, Electro-voice, Radian brands will cost $350--$450. You'll still need the 5200 ohm resistor with this choice. I can recommend specific models and where to buy them if you want to go this route. Sometimes you can find used ones on the Bay.----usually 40-50% less money. Contact me. JIm Alexander jalexandercc@netzero.net. ____________________________________________________________ Easy-to-use, advanced features, flexible phone systems. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdhtOsDBCQ6oPeJBQGDIO27JU98NdY88O70al1KDwFVfq0MDnZLna/ From jay at west.net Fri Jun 26 22:08:41 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jun 26 22:10:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? In-Reply-To: <8CBC4E49DAB6A7E-14FC-520F@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> References: <360421.1064.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CBC4E05C5F32AE-15E4-12EB@webmail-mh46.sysops.aol.com> <4A457FA6.8090407@west.net> <8CBC4E49DAB6A7E-14FC-520F@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A45A959.7000506@west.net> edbap@aol.com wrote: > > Original is Gone, > so How do I add a power resistor?? Solder a resistor inline, and ?Im good to go? Ideally, find an original speaker from one of the usual sources, EBay, etc. Modern speakers have a permanent magnet and a voice coil suspended in its field. Voltage applied to the voice coil causes a magnetic field to be induced, and this pushes the voice coil into the field of the permanent magnet or pushes it away. The vice coil moves the cone, the cone moves the air, and you get music. There are only two wires, connected to the voice coil. Older speakers, in Seeburg's case through the G/W series, didn't use a permanent magnet. In its place was a large coil of fine wire, usually a few thousand ohms in resistance. Voltage from the amplifier was applied to this coil which created the magnetic field against which the voice coil worked. These speakers have four wires. Two are for the voice coil and two are for the field coil. The field coil is part of the amplifier circuit. In some cases it is in series with the B+ plate voltage, in others between the B+ voltage and ground. In the case of the MRA3-L6 it is between the screen voltage and ground, and it's 5600 ohms. There is 290 volts across the resistor in normal operation. Power law says P = E^2/R or 290 * 290 /5600 = 15 watts. So you need a resistor of 600 ohms that will dissipate 15 watts. On the safe side, go with at least a 25-watt resistor. These are physically large resistors. Mouser has this one: http://tinyurl.com/oosx64 It's 50 watts in a metal housing, $5.85 each. You'll want to mount it somewhere that its heat won't damage anything, perhaps with a metal backing plate to the speaker board. Insulate the connections with heat shrink tubing. If the original speaker is missing, its plug will probably be missing too. You can make one from the base of a broken old-school 6-pin tube, the kind with two big pins and four small ones. Clean out the glass and old wires. The voice coil of the speaker goes to pins 2 and 6. The power resistor goes to pins 4 and 5, and there should be a jumper between 5 and 6. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 26 22:28:17 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Fri Jun 26 22:29:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Please, i'm begging! no more "Off-topic"..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0747132933EE4FD2825E818EFE0DE017@WilliamHPLap> MJ was a recording artist. Records are played on jukeboxes. It may have been a bit off topic but the whole world was talking about the death of MJ. So much actually that several servers crashed. I don't think Jackie deserves scrutiny or any of the horrendous replies she got. That is my .02 William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin S." To: Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 12:26 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Please, i'm begging! no more "Off-topic"..... Jackie, I hate to say it, but you were sort of asking for those replies by posting such a ridiculous message on a technical jukebox web-ring. Sadly, this list gets too far off topic as is, and what a mess it's become. Look at the posts from 10 years ago and you'll see why this was once the BEST place on the web for service people and hobbyists to get TECHNICAL info. Boy do I miss the old days sometimes. To the best of my knowledge, this was never founded as a "chat" forum; there are plenty of other sites for that. The first line on the info page for this list: ""This unmoderated mailing list is for the purpose of discussing coin-operated phonographs and related accessories."" Further down the page: "" Q: What kind of messages are NOT acceptable? A: Flames or insults, blatantly commercial messages, messages NOT related to jukeboxes or related items"" Please lets all be mindful in the future; keep off-topic items away from this list. Justin Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:26:25 -0400 From: "etreble7" Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: Message-ID: <0937CB7B63F84F9D97AFEC01EF3E4362@home1903> Content- essage: 20Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good Morning, seems we all have very strong opinions on the Death of Michael Jackson....good...that's what makes the world go round. I think very few people can accept his personal issues, and as a mother of 7 children I have my own view on them...HOWEVER.....I too, was taught that the judgement comes from someone other than me and there is worth in everyone's life. I think there are very few people that can listen to Billy Jean or Beat It and not tap a foot to it.(we may not want to admit it, lol) ....let me also add that I highly respect his MOON WALK! Jackie Dancin' Out Message: 18 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:45:29 -0400 From: rellis2007@aol.com My grandfather said the same thing, I feel Mr jackson was a wast of life, But God will be the judge. Not Me. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Lala Blah Blah My Mom and Dad said.. if you have nothing nice to say.. say nothing at all concerning M. Jackson). Can't resist.. GUILTY! eehee... Tony --- On Thu, 6/25/09, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 hi to all, had to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael Jackson....such a beautiful young child that grew up such a strange way.? I will always appreciate is gift to music...God Bless Jackie __________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Fri Jun 26 22:25:12 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 26 22:33:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? In-Reply-To: <504083.83078.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <504083.83078.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBC4FEC7BDB57E-17A8-1953@WEBMAIL-MZ14.sysops.aol.com> ?Yes, I have been looking around, but it seems like these speakers are going up in price on ebay, and I thought maybe there might be another choice..... -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? Did you try finding one from the "usual suspects" ?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 6/26/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 7:17 PM Original is Gone, so How do I add a power resistor?? Solder a resistor inline, and ?Im good to go? -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? edbap@aol.com wrote:? > OK, back to jukin,? > > I need a replacement 15inch speaker for a Seeburg B.? any ideas?? ? No chance of reconing/rebuilding the original?? ? That's a field coil speaker. Modern replacements will be very hard to come by. If you replace it with a permanent magnet type, you will need to install a power resistor to replace the field coil.? ? --? Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Fri Jun 26 22:26:00 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 26 22:33:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? In-Reply-To: References: <504083.83078.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBC4FEE454ECD4-17A8-1957@WEBMAIL-MZ14.sysops.aol.com> thanks Don, I will check it out. -----Original Message----- From: jugert@msn.com To: jukeboxlist Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:04 pm Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? Ed, Current B speaker on ebay, it should go between $150 & $175 bucks not including shipping. It apears to be a real nice one. heres the link http://cgi.ebay.com/Seeburg-M100B-Jukebox-15-Field-Coil-Speaker_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a1Q7c66Q3a4Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a200QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem4a98a8dba9QQitemZ320388783017QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f0QQsalenotsupported Don Jugert Colorado > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:49:37 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Did you try finding one from the "usual suspects" ? Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 6/26/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: > > From: edbap@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 7:17 PM > > > > Original is Gone, > so How do I add a power resistor?? Solder a resistor inline, and ?Im good to go? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Hennigan > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:10 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? > > > edbap@aol.com wrote:? > > OK, back to jukin,? > > > I need a replacement 15inch speaker for a Seeburg B.? any ideas?? > ? > No chance of reconing/rebuilding the original?? > ? > That's a field coil speaker. Modern replacements will be very hard to come by. If you replace it with a permanent magnet type, you will need to install a power resistor to replace the field coil.? > ? > --? > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? > > __________________________________ _____________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From goldenflash60 at aol.com Fri Jun 26 23:11:33 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 26 23:19:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] michael jackson hated jukeboxes! Message-ID: <8CBC50541611813-D38-B96@FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com> please for the love of god stop talking about michael jackson.? if you want to talk about something talk about farrah fawcett!!! From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 26 23:28:48 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Fri Jun 26 23:30:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] michael jackson hated jukeboxes! In-Reply-To: <8CBC50541611813-D38-B96@FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC50541611813-D38-B96@FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Michael Jackson had a Wurlitzer 950 in his Smooth Criminal video so yea he must have hated them seeing as he picked the most desirable jukebox sought after by collectors all over the world! - Nice! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex30DYwQlHU ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] michael jackson hated jukeboxes! > please for the love of god stop talking about michael jackson.? if you > want to talk about something talk about farrah fawcett!!! > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Fri Jun 26 23:59:43 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Sat Jun 27 00:01:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI TROPICANNA Message-ID: <588018.17062.qm@web96013.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Team,I have a JBM200 Tropicanna that has decided to misbehave, the transfer motor is not stopping ?... so the record is placed on the turntable it starts to rotate, the tone arm comes over, record is placed then lifts, the record is picked up and returned to the carosuel and continues to the next selection... everything is working apart from this action..?hope someone can point me to the relay or microswitch.Cheers John From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Jun 27 02:05:37 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Jun 27 02:07:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI TROPICANNA In-Reply-To: <588018.17062.qm@web96013.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <588018.17062.qm@web96013.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003f01c9f706$6ff76b00$4fe64100$@force9.co.uk> The most likely cause is the mechanism is rejecting. Check the following:- Towards the back of the tonearm is a reed switch which activates the trip when the record ends. Check the switch is not shorting and both cables (orange and Grey I think) are attached. Also, check the automatic trip on the arm is not out of adjustment. This is a screw and contact towards the back of the arm, and a spade connector under the arm. It is there in case someone selects a blank record. Sometimes the screw needs backing out a bit. Reject switch on rear. Also check the cables behind this. 2 orange and 2 grey (I think). These also terminate in the rear between the amp and preamp. Make sure they are not shorted. When the mech is putting the record down, does it go through the cycle of cancelling the pin and toggling the record playing bar ? I have a JBM so can assist Regards, Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Wilson Sent: 27 June 2009 08:00 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI TROPICANNA Hi Team,I have a JBM200 Tropicanna that has decided to misbehave, the transfer motor is not stopping ?... so the record is placed on the turntable it starts to rotate, the tone arm comes over, record is placed then lifts, the record is picked up and returned to the carosuel and continues to the next selection... everything is working apart from this action..?hope someone can point me to the relay or microswitch.Cheers John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 27 05:24:29 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Sat Jun 27 05:26:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Please, i'm begging! no more "Off-topic"..... Message-ID: Hello William, the entire news media was talking about the death, not the whole world, there is a difference. Still not appropriate for the predominantly technical scope of this list. Your logic would allow us to talk about a million unrelated topics best suited for other forums. Not singling out Jackie, but you have to consider the relevance of a post such as that and the possible conflict of such a controversial figure BEFORE posting to a public list. My main point is that in recent times the group has gravitated too far into a chatroom on many levels away from the original intent of this list (as given on the info page). Justin MJ was a recording artist. Records are played on jukeboxes. It may have been a bit off topic but the whole world was talking about the death of MJ. So much actually that several servers crashed. I don't think Jackie deserves scrutiny or any of the horrendous replies she got. That is my .02 William Hill _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 27 05:34:01 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Sat Jun 27 05:35:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? Message-ID: One other tip for electrodynamic speaker replacement... The field coil not only drops the B+ down, but is a significant part of the ripple filter for the power supply, by acting as a choke. Depending upon amps, you may get more background hum just subbing in the resistor. It helps to increase the electrolytic in the pwr supply after the field/resistor by 10 or 20 MFD. Justin _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Jun 27 06:25:07 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 27 06:33:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Please, i'm begging! no more "Off-topic"..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBC541D2FA4E79-8DC-1364@webmail-dh35.sysops.aol.com> Yeah... let's all talk about JON AND KATE PLUS 8 instead. -----Original Message----- From: Justin S. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:26 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Please, i'm begging! no more "Off-topic"..... Jackie, I hate to say it, but you were sort of asking for those replies by posting such a ridiculous message on a technical jukebox web-ring. Sadly, this list gets too far off topic as is, and what a mess it's become. Look at the posts from 10 years ago and you'll see why this was once the BEST place on the web for service people and hobbyists to get TECHNICAL info. Boy do I miss the old days sometimes. To the best of my knowledge, this was never founded as a "chat" forum; there are plenty of other sites for that. The first line on the info page for this list: ""This unmoderated mailing list is for the purpose of discussing coin-operated phonographs and related accessories."" Further down the page: "" Q: What kind of messages are NOT acceptable? A: Flames or insults, blatantly commercial messages, messages NOT related to jukeboxes or related items"" Please lets all be mindful in the future; keep off-topic items away from this list. Justin Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:26:25 -0400 From: "etreble7" Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: Message-ID: <0937CB7B63F84F9D97AFEC01EF3E4362@home1903> Content- essage: 20Type: text/plain; charset="iso -8859-1" Good Morning, seems we all have very strong opinions on the Death of Michael Jackson....good...that's what makes the world go round. I think very few people can accept his personal issues, and as a mother of 7 children I have my own view on them...HOWEVER.....I too, was taught that the judgement comes from someone other than me and there is worth in everyone's life. I think there are very few people that can listen to Billy Jean or Beat It and not tap a foot to it.(we may not want to admit it, lol) ....let me also add that I highly respect his MOON WALK! Jackie Dancin' Out Message: 18 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:45:29 -0400 From: rellis2007@aol.com My grandfather said the same thing, I feel Mr jackson was a wast of life, But God will be the judge. Not Me. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Lala Blah Blah My Mom and Dad said.. if you have nothing nice to say.. say nothing at all concerning M. Jackson). Can't resist.. GUILTY! eehee... Tony --- On Thu, 6/25/09, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 hi to all, had to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael Jackson....such a beautiful young child that grew up such a strange way.? I will always appreciate is gift to music...God Bless Jackie __________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. _____________________________________________________ ____________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sat Jun 27 08:53:46 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Jun 27 08:55:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A46408A.1060108@west.net> Justin S. wrote: > One other tip for electrodynamic speaker replacement... The field coil not only drops the B+ down, but is a significant part of the ripple filter for the power supply, by acting as a choke. Depending upon amps, you may get more background hum just subbing in the resistor. It helps to increase the electrolytic in the pwr supply after the field/resistor by 10 or 20 MFD. Justin Seeburg typically wired the field coil between the screen and ground, as opposed to a series choke. I've never had an issue with increased hum when substituting a resistor in these cases. You're correct that in some cases the field coil is wired as a series choke. I've always wondered why the ripple in these cases doesn't manifest as hum in the speaker from the fluctuating magnetic field. My best theory is that the mass of iron in the speaker assembly has enough residual magnetism to smooth the peaks and valleys in current flowing through the field coil. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ellen at rosenfeld-law.com Thu Jun 25 12:07:47 2009 From: ellen at rosenfeld-law.com (Ellen) Date: Sat Jun 27 08:56:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I'm looking for Rock-ola wall mount parts. Can Message-ID: <000001c9f5c8$3b65ee50$3700a8c0@Rosenfeld.local> i have two 1484 machines i am using one for parts - but i may be able to spare what you are looking for let's chat ellen R O S E N F E L D l a w o f f i c e s Ellen Rosenfeld, Esq. 2 Milliston Road Millis, MA 02054 T: (508) 376-4600 F: (508) 376-8563 ellen@rosenfeld-law.com From lmlang33 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 24 14:07:48 2009 From: lmlang33 at hotmail.com (Lucille Lang) Date: Sat Jun 27 08:56:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1964 Rockola "Princess Royal" 424 Jukebox Selection won't complete Message-ID: Does anyone know on a Rockola 424 what might be the problem if you select a record and it clicks in and turns to the record on the selection wheel on the right, but nothing else happens from that point. The carousel of records should turn next and then the arm picks up the record to play. When I turned it off last it was working fine and when I went to play it again, this is the only thing that it does. Could it be a relay or fuse? Thank You lmlang33@hotmail.com From RETINF at aol.com Fri Jun 26 11:27:45 2009 From: RETINF at aol.com (RETINF@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 27 08:57:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Message-ID: Hi....can you tell me if there is a software program for your tittle strips....I have a Rock-ola 494 and I need tittle strips......I would like the software but if it is not available I';ll buy some kind of kit for making them up....TY....Rick **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006) From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Sat Jun 27 09:14:06 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Robert Aker) Date: Sat Jun 27 09:15:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips References: Message-ID: <000701c9f742$4bea2c70$0201a8c0@desktop> this company sells the best one - i have used it for years http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > Hi....can you tell me if there is a software program for your tittle > strips....I have a Rock-ola 494 and I need tittle strips......I would like > the > software but if it is not available I';ll buy some kind of kit for making > them up....TY....Rick > **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the > grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Sat Jun 27 09:19:15 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Robert Aker) Date: Sat Jun 27 09:21:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Please, i'm begging! no more "Off-topic"..... References: <8CBC541D2FA4E79-8DC-1364@webmail-dh35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c9f743$03e5c870$0201a8c0@desktop> lets talk about the SOLID WELL BALANCED stars of my era - Billy Holiday, Frank Sinatra, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis and Elvis - no problems with behavior in that group. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Please, i'm begging! no more "Off-topic"..... Yeah... let's all talk about JON AND KATE PLUS 8 instead. -----Original Message----- From: Justin S. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:26 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Please, i'm begging! no more "Off-topic"..... Jackie, I hate to say it, but you were sort of asking for those replies by posting such a ridiculous message on a technical jukebox web-ring. Sadly, this list gets too far off topic as is, and what a mess it's become. Look at the posts from 10 years ago and you'll see why this was once the BEST place on the web for service people and hobbyists to get TECHNICAL info. Boy do I miss the old days sometimes. To the best of my knowledge, this was never founded as a "chat" forum; there are plenty of other sites for that. The first line on the info page for this list: ""This unmoderated mailing list is for the purpose of discussing coin-operated phonographs and related accessories."" Further down the page: "" Q: What kind of messages are NOT acceptable? A: Flames or insults, blatantly commercial messages, messages NOT related to jukeboxes or related items"" Please lets all be mindful in the future; keep off-topic items away from this list. Justin Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:26:25 -0400 From: "etreble7" Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: Message-ID: <0937CB7B63F84F9D97AFEC01EF3E4362@home1903> Content- essage: 20Type: text/plain; charset="iso -8859-1" Good Morning, seems we all have very strong opinions on the Death of Michael Jackson....good...that's what makes the world go round. I think very few people can accept his personal issues, and as a mother of 7 children I have my own view on them...HOWEVER.....I too, was taught that the judgement comes from someone other than me and there is worth in everyone's life. I think there are very few people that can listen to Billy Jean or Beat It and not tap a foot to it.(we may not want to admit it, lol) ....let me also add that I highly respect his MOON WALK! Jackie Dancin' Out Message: 18 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:45:29 -0400 From: rellis2007@aol.com My grandfather said the same thing, I feel Mr jackson was a wast of life, But God will be the judge. Not Me. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Lala Blah Blah My Mom and Dad said.. if you have nothing nice to say.. say nothing at all concerning M. Jackson). Can't resist.. GUILTY! eehee... Tony --- On Thu, 6/25/09, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 hi to all, had to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael Jackson....such a beautiful young child that grew up such a strange way.? I will always appreciate is gift to music...God Bless Jackie __________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. _____________________________________________________ ____________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 09:28:50 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 27 09:30:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? Message-ID: <326862.97535.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Justin, I do not think that this would be relevant in this case, as the "hideaways" were all equipped with a resistor (no speaker, or a very small speaker was included in the cabinet). Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/27/09, Justin S. wrote: From: Justin S. Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 5:34 AM One other tip for electrodynamic speaker replacement... The field coil not only drops the B+ down, but is a significant part of the ripple filter for the power supply, by acting as a choke. Depending upon amps, you may get more background hum just subbing in the resistor. It helps to increase the electrolytic in the pwr supply after the field/resistor by 10 or 20 MFD. Justin _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 09:33:50 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jun 27 09:35:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? Message-ID: <135211.95061.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 6/27/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Seeburg typically wired the field coil between the screen > and ground, as opposed to a series choke. I've never > had an issue with increased hum when substituting a resistor > in these cases. My experience with my M100-A supports this. No hum problem there. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 09:47:23 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 27 09:49:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1964 Rockola "Princess Royal" 424 Jukebox Selection won't complete Message-ID: <565375.27545.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Could be a "relay or a fuse", but most likely a dirty contact on the "carry-over" contact on the selection drum. Need to trouble shoot it, using the service manual--- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Lucille Lang wrote: From: Lucille Lang Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1964 Rockola "Princess Royal" 424 Jukebox Selection won't complete To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 2:07 PM Does anyone know on a Rockola 424 what might be the problem if you select a record and it clicks in and turns to the record on the selection wheel on the right, but nothing else happens from that point. The carousel of records should turn next and then the arm picks up the record to play. When I turned it off last it was working fine and when I went to play it again, this is the only thing that it does. Could it be a relay or fuse????Thank You lmlang33@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 27 10:29:37 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Sat Jun 27 10:31:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Electrodynamic Speaker replacement... Message-ID: Hi Jay, you are right on the Seeburg C amp. I was referring to field coil speakers in general. You usually see series field coils in the older jukes and many radios of the time. You are spot on about the mass of the speaker smoothing the peaks and valleys. Some circuits also had a hum bucking winding in the voice coil to cancel the power supply hum. I remember seeing that in an old capehart or mills once upon a time. Justin Justin S. wrote: > One other tip for electrodynamic speaker replacement... The field coil not only drops the B+ down, but is a significant part of the ripple filter for the power supply, by acting as a choke. Depending upon amps, you may get more background hum just subbing in the resistor. It helps to increase the electrolytic in the pwr supply after the field/resistor by 10 or 20 MFD. Justin Seeburg typically wired the field coil between the screen and ground, as opposed to a series choke. I've never had an issue with increased hum when substituting a resistor in these cases. You're correct that in some cases the field coil is wired as a series choke. I've always wondered why the ripple in these cases doesn't manifest as hum in the speaker from the fluctuating magnetic field. My best theory is that the mass of iron in the speaker assembly has enough residual magnetism to smooth the peaks and valleys in current flowing through the field coil. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 From jeffzurn at cox.net Sat Jun 27 10:50:59 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (jeffzurn@cox.net) Date: Sat Jun 27 11:11:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1964 Rockola "Princess Royal" 424 Jukebox Selectionwon't complete Message-ID: <697298374-1246125225-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-112435099-@bxe1124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Make sure the service switch is in the 'play' position! Jeff ------Original Message------ From: Lucille Lang Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ReplyTo: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1964 Rockola "Princess Royal" 424 Jukebox Selectionwon't complete Sent: Jun 24, 2009 2:07 PM Does anyone know on a Rockola 424 what might be the problem if you select a record and it clicks in and turns to the record on the selection wheel on the right, but nothing else happens from that point. The carousel of records should turn next and then the arm picks up the record to play. When I turned it off last it was working fine and when I went to play it again, this is the only thing that it does. Could it be a relay or fuse? Thank You lmlang33@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Sat Jun 27 11:18:08 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David G..) Date: Sat Jun 27 11:19:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips In-Reply-To: <000701c9f742$4bea2c70$0201a8c0@desktop> References: <000701c9f742$4bea2c70$0201a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <3164AF84C7BD46E08BB2410ED874CC4B@DavidPC> Any body running this program on Windows? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Aker" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > this company sells the best one - i have used it for years > > http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:27 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > > >> Hi....can you tell me if there is a software program for your tittle >> strips....I have a Rock-ola 494 and I need tittle strips......I would >> like the >> software but if it is not available I';ll buy some kind of kit for making >> them up....TY....Rick >> **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the >> grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006) >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Sat Jun 27 11:24:42 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David G..) Date: Sat Jun 27 11:26:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Should have been.. In-Reply-To: <3164AF84C7BD46E08BB2410ED874CC4B@DavidPC> References: <000701c9f742$4bea2c70$0201a8c0@desktop> <3164AF84C7BD46E08BB2410ED874CC4B@DavidPC> Message-ID: <6B616580EC0B400B869D411D1677C576@DavidPC> Running on Windows Vista? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David G.." To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > Any body running this program on Windows? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Aker" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > > >> this company sells the best one - i have used it for years >> >> http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:27 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips >> >> >>> Hi....can you tell me if there is a software program for your tittle >>> strips....I have a Rock-ola 494 and I need tittle strips......I would >>> like the >>> software but if it is not available I';ll buy some kind of kit for >>> making >>> them up....TY....Rick >>> **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the >>> grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From edbap at aol.com Sat Jun 27 11:26:08 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 27 11:34:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips In-Reply-To: <3164AF84C7BD46E08BB2410ED874CC4B@DavidPC> References: <000701c9f742$4bea2c70$0201a8c0@desktop> <3164AF84C7BD46E08BB2410ED874CC4B@DavidPC> Message-ID: <8CBC56BDF8E42EB-13CC-273D@WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com> I use a microsoft word file for mine, pretty easy.? Send me your email address directly and I will send you the file. edbap@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: David G.. To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:18 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Any body running this program on Windows?? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Aker" ? To: "Jukebox mailing list" ? Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 12:14 PM? Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips? ? > this company sells the best one - i have used it for years? >? > http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/? >? >? >? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ? > To: ? > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:27 PM? > Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips? >? >? >> Hi....can you tell me if there is a software program for your tittle? >> strips....I have a Rock-ola 494 and I need tittle strips......I would >> like the? >> software but if it is not available I';ll buy some kind of kit for making? >> them up....TY....Rick? >> **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the? >> grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006)? >> _______________________________________________? >> Jukebox-list mailing list? >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? >>? >? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? > ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From jeffzurn at cox.net Sat Jun 27 11:33:56 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (jeffzurn@cox.net) Date: Sat Jun 27 11:38:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Should have been.. In-Reply-To: <6B616580EC0B400B869D411D1677C576@DavidPC> References: <000701c9f742$4bea2c70$0201a8c0@desktop><3164AF84C7BD46E08BB2410ED874CC4B@DavidPC><6B616580EC0B400B869D411D1677C576@DavidPC> Message-ID: <1211215294-1246127802-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419420746-@bxe1124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Yes. Works fine Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "David G.." Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:24:42 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Should have been.. Running on Windows Vista? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David G.." To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > Any body running this program on Windows? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Aker" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > > >> this company sells the best one - i have used it for years >> >> http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:27 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips >> >> >>> Hi....can you tell me if there is a software program for your tittle >>> strips....I have a Rock-ola 494 and I need tittle strips......I would >>> like the >>> software but if it is not available I';ll buy some kind of kit for >>> making >>> them up....TY....Rick >>> **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the >>> grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Sat Jun 27 11:36:22 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 27 11:46:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strips In-Reply-To: <3164AF84C7BD46E08BB2410ED874CC4B@DavidPC> References: <000701c9f742$4bea2c70$0201a8c0@desktop> <3164AF84C7BD46E08BB2410ED874CC4B@DavidPC> Message-ID: <8CBC56D4D9B7FCB-13CC-2784@WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com> I have a variety of title strips, red, purple, oldies, country, etc. for both 45s and 78s in a word format. If you want some, just email me direct, and I will send the files back to you, no charges. My way of adding value to this site, and thanking you for all your help. edbap@aol.com From stamann at jukebox-world.de Sat Jun 27 11:45:39 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Sat Jun 27 11:48:28 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Should have been.. Message-ID: It runs on both - Windows and VISTA. Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von David G.. Gesendet: Samstag, 27. Juni 2009 20:30 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Should have been.. Running on Windows Vista? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David G.." To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > Any body running this program on Windows? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Aker" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > > >> this company sells the best one - i have used it for years >> >> http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:27 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips >> >> >>> Hi....can you tell me if there is a software program for your tittle >>> strips....I have a Rock-ola 494 and I need tittle strips......I would >>> like the >>> software but if it is not available I';ll buy some kind of kit for >>> making >>> them up....TY....Rick >>> **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the >>> grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Jun 27 10:44:53 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sat Jun 27 11:48:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Please, i'm begging! no more "Off-topic"..... References: Message-ID: <3E1F543462244C8DB3AC27107BF920DC@home1903> Good Morning Justin, thank you so much for reminding me of the purpose of this "jukebox list"....as I have sat and read many, many "off subject" emails from EVERYONE, including the "old timers"..and frankly enjoyed. Jackie Dancin' Out ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin S." To: Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 12:26 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Please, i'm begging! no more "Off-topic"..... Jackie, I hate to say it, but you were sort of asking for those replies by posting such a ridiculous message on a technical jukebox web-ring. Sadly, this list gets too far off topic as is, and what a mess it's become. Look at the posts from 10 years ago and you'll see why this was once the BEST place on the web for service people and hobbyists to get TECHNICAL info. Boy do I miss the old days sometimes. To the best of my knowledge, this was never founded as a "chat" forum; there are plenty of other sites for that. The first line on the info page for this list: ""This unmoderated mailing list is for the purpose of discussing coin-operated phonographs and related accessories."" Further down the page: "" Q: What kind of messages are NOT acceptable? A: Flames or insults, blatantly commercial messages, messages NOT related to jukeboxes or related items"" Please lets all be mindful in the future; keep off-topic items away from this list. Justin Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:26:25 -0400 From: "etreble7" Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: Message-ID: <0937CB7B63F84F9D97AFEC01EF3E4362@home1903> Content- essage: 20Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good Morning, seems we all have very strong opinions on the Death of Michael Jackson....good...that's what makes the world go round. I think very few people can accept his personal issues, and as a mother of 7 children I have my own view on them...HOWEVER.....I too, was taught that the judgement comes from someone other than me and there is worth in everyone's life. I think there are very few people that can listen to Billy Jean or Beat It and not tap a foot to it.(we may not want to admit it, lol) ....let me also add that I highly respect his MOON WALK! Jackie Dancin' Out Message: 18 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:45:29 -0400 From: rellis2007@aol.com My grandfather said the same thing, I feel Mr jackson was a wast of life, But God will be the judge. Not Me. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Lala Blah Blah My Mom and Dad said.. if you have nothing nice to say.. say nothing at all concerning M. Jackson). Can't resist.. GUILTY! eehee... Tony --- On Thu, 6/25/09, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 hi to all, had to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael Jackson....such a beautiful young child that grew up such a strange way.? I will always appreciate is gift to music...God Bless Jackie __________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Jun 27 11:52:19 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Jun 27 11:54:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Should have been.. In-Reply-To: <6B616580EC0B400B869D411D1677C576@DavidPC> References: <000701c9f742$4bea2c70$0201a8c0@desktop> <3164AF84C7BD46E08BB2410ED874CC4B@DavidPC> <6B616580EC0B400B869D411D1677C576@DavidPC> Message-ID: <006e01c9f758$68b5d6e0$3a2184a0$@force9.co.uk> Runs fine on Windows Vista, but I have to right click on the icon and select 'run as administrator'. Otherwise it won't run. Mine is quite an old version though. It's a top program. Regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David G.. Sent: 27 June 2009 19:25 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Should have been.. Running on Windows Vista? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David G.." To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > Any body running this program on Windows? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Aker" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > > >> this company sells the best one - i have used it for years >> >> http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:27 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips >> >> >>> Hi....can you tell me if there is a software program for your tittle >>> strips....I have a Rock-ola 494 and I need tittle strips......I would >>> like the >>> software but if it is not available I';ll buy some kind of kit for >>> making >>> them up....TY....Rick >>> **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the >>> grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Sat Jun 27 13:04:22 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 27 13:06:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? In-Reply-To: <509584.56699.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <509584.56699.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBC579992CD28D-A0C-321B@WEBMAIL-DY01.sysops.aol.com> thanks to all for the great follow up on my speaker! ED -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:33 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C? --- On Fri, 6/26/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: > Original is Gone, > so How do I add a power resistor?? Solder a resistor > inline, and ?Im good to go? A voice coil wire broke deep within the speaker on my M100-A back in the late 70s. I got a permanent magnet replacement, complete with a ceramic resistor to load the amplifier, (the speaker field coil load is required for the amp to function) from Jukebox Junkyard. 30 years later, it's still going strong, FWIW. [This is a non-solicited, no-business-interest-for-me recommendation. Just a happy customer.] _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 13:41:37 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sat Jun 27 13:43:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modified Wurlitzer 1015 Message-ID: <115082.59224.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, First time I have seen such a modified 1015. It has a prewar mechanical select mechanism in it. EBAY 360165719786 David (In The Geritol Ghetto) From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sat Jun 27 14:06:38 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sat Jun 27 14:08:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Please, i'm begging! no more "Off-topic"..... Message-ID: <986845.341.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hear Hear! How about on hit wonders like Claudine Clarke!! --- On Sat, 6/27/09, Robert Aker wrote: From: Robert Aker Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Please, i'm begging! no more "Off-topic"..... To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 12:19 PM lets talk about the SOLID WELL BALANCED stars of my era - Billy Holiday, Frank Sinatra, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis and Elvis - no problems with behavior in that group. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Please, i'm begging! no more "Off-topic"..... Yeah... let's all talk about JON AND KATE PLUS 8 instead. -----Original Message----- From: Justin S. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:26 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Please, i'm begging!? no more "Off-topic"..... Jackie, I hate to say it, but you were sort of asking for those replies by posting such a ridiculous message on a technical jukebox web-ring. Sadly, this list gets too far off topic as is, and what a mess it's become. Look at the posts from 10 years ago and you'll see why this was once the BEST place on the web for service people and hobbyists to get TECHNICAL info. Boy do I miss the old days sometimes. To the best of my knowledge, this was never founded as a "chat" forum; there are plenty of other sites for that. The first line on the info page for this list: ""This unmoderated mailing list is for the purpose of discussing coin-operated phonographs and related accessories.""? Further down the page: "" Q: What kind of messages are NOT acceptable? A: Flames or insults, blatantly commercial messages, messages NOT related to jukeboxes or related items"" Please lets all be mindful in the future; keep off-topic items away from this list. Justin Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:26:25 -0400 From: "etreble7" Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off Subject To: Message-ID: <0937CB7B63F84F9D97AFEC01EF3E4362@home1903> Content- essage: 20Type: text/plain;? charset="iso -8859-1" Good Morning, seems we all have very strong opinions on the Death of Michael Jackson....good...that's what makes the world go round. I think very few people can accept his personal issues, and as a mother of 7 children I have my own view on them...HOWEVER.....I too, was taught that the judgement comes from someone other than me and there is worth in everyone's life.? I think there are very few people that can listen to Billy Jean or Beat It and not tap a foot to it.(we may not want to admit it, lol)? ....let me also add that I highly respect his MOON WALK! Jackie Dancin' Out Message: 18 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:45:29 -0400 From: rellis2007@aol.com My grandfather said the same thing, I feel Mr jackson was a wast of life, But God will be the judge. Not Me. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Lala Blah Blah My Mom and Dad said.. if you have nothing nice to say.. say nothing at all concerning M. Jackson). Can't resist.. GUILTY! eehee... Tony --- On Thu, 6/25/09, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 hi to all, had to take this moment to comment on the death of Michael Jackson....such a beautiful young child that grew up such a strange way.?? I will always appreciate is gift to music...God Bless Jackie __________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. 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Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 14:13:41 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jun 27 14:15:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modified Wurlitzer 1015 Message-ID: <572780.93259.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 6/27/09, david wendell wrote: > First time I have seen such a modified 1015. It has a > prewar mechanical select mechanism in it. EBAY > 360165719786 There's a lot of things wrong with this box. I'm not a Wurlitzer expert, but just off the top, the inside finish is wrong, the round medallion under the speaker grille is wrong, the coin chute is wrong, the "WURLITZER" script under the mechanism is wrong. I'd imagine one of our Tonowanda experts here will be able to point out a lot more problems. This has all the earmarks of a machine cobbled together from a parts bin. From nipper45 at verizon.net Sat Jun 27 14:33:26 2009 From: nipper45 at verizon.net (John Lee) Date: Sat Jun 27 14:34:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg EBCS! key? In-Reply-To: <8CBC579992CD28D-A0C-321B@WEBMAIL-DY01.sysops.aol.com> References: <509584.56699.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CBC579992CD28D-A0C-321B@WEBMAIL-DY01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0KLX000DK2IZZYR8@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Hi everyone: A friend recently gave me a Seeburg EBCS! Extended Bass Console Speaker. This unit was intended for use with an LPC1 as an extension speaker and mount for a Consolette wallbox. There are no keys and the locks do not have the key number stamped on them like most Seeburg locks. Can anyone tell me what key this unit takes? Thanks. John From edbap at aol.com Sat Jun 27 14:31:16 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 27 14:40:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modified Wurlitzer 1015 In-Reply-To: <115082.59224.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <115082.59224.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBC585BC85EAF2-15BC-2B2D@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> yuk!? Man, someone went to an awful lot of work to make an awful jukebox!? I thought maybe it was south of the border, but its up in MI. Not for me! -----Original Message----- From: david wendell To: jukebox list Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:41 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modified Wurlitzer 1015 Hi All, First time I have seen such a modified 1015. It has a prewar mechanical select mechanism in it. EBAY 360165719786 David (In The Geritol Ghetto) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sat Jun 27 14:46:53 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Jun 27 14:48:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg EBCS! key? In-Reply-To: <0KLX000DK2IZZYR8@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <509584.56699.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CBC579992CD28D-A0C-321B@WEBMAIL-DY01.sysops.aol.com> <0KLX000DK2IZZYR8@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4A46934D.7090405@west.net> John Lee wrote: > Hi everyone: > A friend recently gave me a Seeburg EBCS! Extended Bass Console Speaker. > This unit was intended for use with an LPC1 as an extension speaker and > mount for a Consolette wallbox. There are no keys and the locks do not > have the key number stamped on them like most Seeburg locks. Can anyone > tell me what key this unit takes? If possible, take a closeup photo of the keyhole. Do the typical Seeburg "F" series keys go in but not turn? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From nipper45 at verizon.net Sat Jun 27 14:22:45 2009 From: nipper45 at verizon.net (John Lee) Date: Sat Jun 27 15:25:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Non-selective Ristaucrat ballast bulb In-Reply-To: <8CBC579992CD28D-A0C-321B@WEBMAIL-DY01.sysops.aol.com> References: <509584.56699.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CBC579992CD28D-A0C-321B@WEBMAIL-DY01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0KLX00BL720XWV8Y@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Hi everyone: Does anyone know what size bulb is used in the non-selective Ristaucrat as a ballast in series with the credit coil? The manual I have seems to be more for the home model "Dial-o-matic". Thanks. John From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 15:40:02 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 27 15:41:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modified Wurlitzer 1015 Message-ID: <96824.55583.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave, I believe that it's a "Johnny Cash" 1015--"one piece at a time" ?? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/27/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Modified Wurlitzer 1015 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 2:13 PM --- On Sat, 6/27/09, david wendell wrote: > First time I have seen such a modified 1015.? It has a > prewar mechanical select mechanism in it.? EBAY > 360165719786 There's a lot of things wrong with this box.? I'm not a Wurlitzer expert, but just off the top, the inside finish is wrong, the round medallion under the speaker grille is wrong, the coin chute is wrong, the "WURLITZER" script under the mechanism is wrong. I'd imagine one of our Tonowanda experts here will be able to point out a lot more problems.? This has all the earmarks of a machine cobbled together from a parts bin. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 15:43:03 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 27 15:44:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg EBCS! key? Message-ID: <171521.56348.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, My memory which is great--just not too long, says it's the same as a LPC--? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/27/09, John Lee wrote: From: John Lee Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg EBCS! key? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 2:33 PM Hi everyone: A friend recently gave me a Seeburg EBCS! Extended Bass Console Speaker. This unit was intended for use with an LPC1 as an extension speaker and mount for a Consolette wallbox. There are no keys and the locks do not have the key number stamped on them like most Seeburg locks. Can anyone tell me what key this unit takes? Thanks. John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 15:45:45 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 27 15:47:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg EBCS! key? Message-ID: <426595.99637.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> BTW--Seeburg SERVICE locks do not have a number on them past the "Trashcan" model. Wall boxes do, as they were somewhat individual in number--- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/27/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg EBCS! key? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 2:46 PM John Lee wrote: > Hi everyone: > A friend recently gave me a Seeburg EBCS! Extended Bass Console Speaker. This unit was intended for use with an LPC1 as an extension speaker and mount for a Consolette wallbox. There are no keys and the locks do not have the key number stamped on them like most Seeburg locks. Can anyone tell me what key this unit takes? If possible, take a closeup photo of the keyhole.? Do the typical Seeburg "F" series keys go in but not turn? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jun 27 17:11:20 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jun 27 17:14:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Electrodynamic Speaker replacement... Message-ID: <20090627.201120.351.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: On the other hand,most Rock Ola jukes that used field coil speakers in the early 50's powered the field coil as a tap from B+ to ground so that it provided no filter choke action for the amp's power supply. A number of Wurlitzer and Seeburg amps supporting field coil operation inserted the field coil into the full-wave rectifier power supply between the primary and secondary filter capacitors. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Become a Psychologist, Therapist, or Counselor. Click here to earn a Psychology Degree. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbtOZZXjsx8IlOcgAMAI4COn72jlfEyfE6WSPiDdIYc9npxfzaC0g/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jun 27 17:27:53 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jun 27 17:31:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modified Wurlitzer 1015 Message-ID: <20090627.202753.351.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: History question. Didn't Wurlitzer promote a program for their distribs and owner-operators during WWII (during a time of material shortages) that supplied new empty cabinets? The intent was to install/recycle the interior parts of older model Wurl. jukes into the fresh cabinets. The "Victory" cabinet comes to mind. By the time the 1015 came out, wasn't this program discontinued? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji9C2FsmH7WaH1wq0D42DM9mnEXIogRZCA3RRyo4zrY0v4vRoFC/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Jun 27 18:36:25 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Jun 27 18:38:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Should have been.. In-Reply-To: <006e01c9f758$68b5d6e0$3a2184a0$@force9.co.uk> References: <000701c9f742$4bea2c70$0201a8c0@desktop> <3164AF84C7BD46E08BB2410ED874CC4B@DavidPC> <6B616580EC0B400B869D411D1677C576@DavidPC> <006e01c9f758$68b5d6e0$3a2184a0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <002701c9f790$da6ae680$8f40b380$@net> Again....props out to Ken for his great site. http://www.pinballrebel.com/archive/other/onlinenew/index.html Has a multitude of title strips and are free. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Pugh Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 1:52 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Should have been.. Runs fine on Windows Vista, but I have to right click on the icon and select 'run as administrator'. Otherwise it won't run. Mine is quite an old version though. It's a top program. Regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David G.. Sent: 27 June 2009 19:25 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Should have been.. Running on Windows Vista? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David G.." To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > Any body running this program on Windows? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Aker" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > > >> this company sells the best one - i have used it for years >> >> http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/ >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:27 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips >> >> >>> Hi....can you tell me if there is a software program for your tittle >>> strips....I have a Rock-ola 494 and I need tittle strips......I would >>> like the >>> software but if it is not available I';ll buy some kind of kit for >>> making >>> them up....TY....Rick >>> **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the >>> grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2205 - Release Date: 06/27/09 05:53:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 18:42:24 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jun 27 18:44:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modified Wurlitzer 1015 Message-ID: <290506.43334.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, That was my understanding--? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/27/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Modified Wurlitzer 1015 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 5:27 PM Gentlemen: History question. Didn't Wurlitzer promote a program for their distribs and owner-operators during WWII (during a time of material shortages) that supplied new empty cabinets?? The intent was to install/recycle the? interior parts of older model Wurl. jukes into the fresh cabinets.? ? ? The "Victory" cabinet comes to mind.? By the time the 1015 came out, wasn't this program discontinued? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji9C2FsmH7WaH1wq0D42DM9mnEXIogRZCA3RRyo4zrY0v4vRoFC/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sat Jun 27 19:06:12 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sat Jun 27 19:07:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer #547 Amp. Message-ID: <10840-4A46D014-3896@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Working on a Wurlitzer modl 3100 jukebox with a 547 amp in it. I have one chanell not working {just very low hum} . I work mostly on older amps , and was wondering if anyone in the group has some experience with these type amps. I have already tried swapping the driver and output transistors with the other channel that is working good and I have no change. Other than the usual capacitors, etc. , is there any high failure-rate items in these amps? thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From recordhound at verizon.net Sat Jun 27 18:48:19 2009 From: recordhound at verizon.net (Jim Day (the "Record Hound")) Date: Sat Jun 27 19:52:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] King of Pop Message-ID: Helo fellow Jukers - Looks like I will have to chime in here. BTW - they caught the guy who stole our jukeboxes, he is in jail but we don't have the jukes yet, so everyone PLEASE keep an eye out for them - RockOla Super Rocket with the mech out of the unrestored cabinet, Seeburg A with the mech out of the restored cabinet, Seeburg Phono Jet, and Continental 2 with the "R" in "StereoRound" hanging loose. Having said that, I will also say that I am very surprised that only 2 people had anything to say about our jukeboxes being stolen. If *I* read about a fellow juker getting ripped off, *I* would at least say "hey, I'm on Craigs List and eBay regularly, I'll keep a lookout. If someone starts a thread about eBay scam postings, it receives scores of replies and threads, yet someone here has a beautiful Conti 2 STOLEN and are we circling the wagons here to help each other? I think we are, but here is the REAL reason my Irish is up - What really bothered me, as I read the latest posts, are the nasty attacks on the late Michael Jackson. Robert Aker had some especially nasty things to say about a man who can no longer defend himself. Robert, I just hope that such nasty things are not said about YOU over your grave. Scott Cummings, your comments were not much better. Shame on you both. This is NOT about free speech. This is a freakin' JUKEBOX HOBBYIST NEWS GROUP. If you want to get political, if you want to practice law, please go elsewhere. If you did not care for Michael Jackson, my first question to you is did you ever meet him in person? Probably not. Yet you proceed to bash him every which way from Sunday. Were you on the jury? Or do you base your "judgements" on what you have "heard"? Shame on you, Robert and Scott, and anyone else who is so consumed with hatred. Years ago I subscribed to the Holy Smoke Religeous Newsgroup. THAT is where these types of inflammatory comments belong. We do NOT want them here. Your childish comments embarass me. Do you realize that this newsgroup is read throughout the world. EVERYONE has heard of Michael Jackson. How many people have heard of YOU, Robert, Scott, Tony? How many are reading your posts and thinking "how narrow-minded these jukebox people are". I, for one, want to say that you narrow-minded few do not speak for the majority of us who love music, REALLY love classic jukeboxes, and love the fellowship and spirit of comraderie that this news list inspires. No one said you must enjoy Michael Jackson's music. Maybe you hated his music. That's fine. Lots of people did not care for Michael Jackson's music. I had some Miles Davis records, some Billie Holiday records, some old-time gospel records. And I played them only once, and decided I either slit my wrists or sell them. (I sold them ;-) Everyone's taste in music is different. Not a big deal. IS this so difficult a concept to grasp? People vote with their wallets. They pay to listen to the kind of music they like. A whole lot of people liked the "Thriller" album. They liked the music, the excitement, the dancing, eccentric and brilliant singer, the joy of listening to it. A whale of a lot of people. Enough to make it number one. The Jackson 5 is the sound of MY youth. It is a happy sound. A young happy sound. I have nearly every single the J5 issued on Motown. When I go through collections, I will buy anything on the Motown label. Motown, "The Sound Of Young America". Happy, cheerful, singalong songs. And no one said you must embrace Michael Jackson's lifestyle. Jerry Lee Lewis had a sordid career, should we roast him next? After all, he is no longer able to defend himself either. How about King of Soul, James Brown, who did hard time. Johnny Cash? Janis Joplin, Freddy Mercury of the alternative lifestyle? Even Elvis was known to make racial slurs. Gasp. Alex's post should be re-read by everyone. Thank you, Alex. And THAT is my five-cents' worth. (Used to be two-cents' worth!) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 20:13:10 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jun 27 20:14:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modified Wurlitzer 1015 Message-ID: <974461.3522.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 6/27/09, James Alexander wrote: > ...The "Victory" cabinet comes to mind. > By the time the 1015 came out, wasn't this program > discontinued? Absolutely! There's no way they'd compete with themselves on their hottest-selling model of all time by making an aftermarket "victory" cabinet version of it. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 20:17:29 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jun 27 20:19:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] King of Pop Message-ID: <83239.33838.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 6/27/09, Jim Day (the "Record Hound") wrote: > Having said that, I will also say that I am very surprised > that only 2 people had anything to say about our jukeboxes > being stolen. If *I* read about a fellow juker getting > ripped off, *I* would at least say "hey, I'm on Craigs List > and eBay regularly, I'll keep a lookout. It seems like that would go without saying. > If someone starts a thread about eBay scam postings, it > receives scores of replies and threads, yet someone here has > a beautiful Conti 2 STOLEN and are we circling the wagons > here to help each other? I think we are, but here is > the REAL reason my Irish is up - I never reply to those posts, either. The "me to" traffic seems superfluous. > What really bothered me, as I read the latest posts, are > the nasty attacks on the late Michael Jackson. [Huge rant deleted...] I've said my piece on Jackson. From edbap at aol.com Sat Jun 27 20:24:07 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 27 20:25:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] King of Pop In-Reply-To: <83239.33838.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <83239.33838.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBC5B707B79376-E90-241F@mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com> How did it get stolen, was it a break in, or a buying scam?? We are keeping a lookout, but we're a long way from FL. Did you have it a long time, or buy recently? Respectfully, Ed Baptista -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:17 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] King of Pop --- On Sat, 6/27/09, Jim Day (the "Record Hound") wrote: > Having said that, I will also say that I am very surprised > that only 2 people had anything to say about our jukeboxes > being stolen. If *I* read about a fellow juker getting > ripped off, *I* would at least say "hey, I'm on Craigs List > and eBay regularly, I'll keep a lookout. It seems like that would go without saying. > If someone starts a thread about eBay scam postings, it > receives scores of replies and threads, yet someone here has > a beautiful Conti 2 STOLEN and are we circling the wagons > here to help each other? I think we are, but here is > the REAL reason my Irish is up - I never reply to those posts, either. The "me to" traffic seems superfluous. > What really bothered me, as I read the latest posts, are > the nasty attacks on the late Michael Jackson. [Huge rant deleted...] I've said my piece on Jackson. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From goldenflash60 at aol.com Sat Jun 27 20:46:48 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 27 20:54:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] one more MJ post and your gone!!! Message-ID: <8CBC5BA32DF2C5C-A18-2FAA@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com> any listing other than jukebox related will be reported! From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 27 21:56:29 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Sat Jun 27 21:58:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] one more MJ post and your gone!!! In-Reply-To: <8CBC5BA32DF2C5C-A18-2FAA@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC5BA32DF2C5C-A18-2FAA@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7555EF9D6ADB4C079CD351D658AFE21C@WilliamHPLap> Who are you going to report it to? The new moderated jukebox group the few respectable people here ought to create? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 11:46 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] one more MJ post and your gone!!! > > any listing other than jukebox related will be reported! > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From thomas.leigh at btinternet.com Sat Jun 27 23:59:14 2009 From: thomas.leigh at btinternet.com (thomas.leigh@btinternet.com) Date: Sun Jun 28 00:07:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] hi rowe ami tropicana Message-ID: <45B58CCDDEC344838318677A8D1B4FC0@thomasbf973136> hi all members i had this problem on a caddette --same motor- the problem i found was the motor shaft gear (which is spring loaded and works on a centrifugal force) was not going out of mesh when the power was stopped by the micro switch so the gear box was still turning so in fact it continued on to the next record just check this on your motor tom U/K From sonnygirl at cafes.net Sat Jun 27 23:44:51 2009 From: sonnygirl at cafes.net (sonnygirl@cafes.net) Date: Sun Jun 28 00:11:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] replacement speaker for C Message-ID: <50505.1246171491@cafes.net> Ed, Try Ebay item #320388783017 Hope this helps. From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Sun Jun 28 01:30:34 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Sun Jun 28 01:32:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI TROPICANNA Message-ID: <350260.70127.qm@web96009.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Nigel,She is behaving at the moment, for some reason the "SELECT" lights when lit would keep everything operating ... as soon as the needle touched down, it would reject and go onto the next selection, i bypassed the reed switch and cutout switch but it didn't do anything (I took out the lamps in the select indicator and all is good) ... will check out the connections from the "button bank" back.Cheers john --- On Sat, 27/6/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI TROPICANNA To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Received: Saturday, 27 June, 2009, 9:05 PM The most likely cause is the mechanism is rejecting. Check the following:- Towards the back of the tonearm is a reed switch which activates the trip when the record ends. Check the switch is not shorting and both cables (orange and Grey I think) are attached. Also, check the automatic trip on the arm is not out of adjustment. This is a screw and contact towards the back of the arm, and a spade connector under the arm. It is there in case someone selects a blank record. Sometimes the screw needs backing out a bit. Reject switch on rear. Also check the cables behind this. 2 orange and 2 grey (I think). These also terminate in the rear between the amp and preamp... Make sure they are not shorted. When the mech is putting the record down, does it go through the cycle of cancelling the pin and toggling the record playing bar ? I have a JBM so can assist Regards, Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Wilson Sent: 27 June 2009 08:00 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI TROPICANNA Hi Team,I have a JBM200 Tropicanna that has decided to misbehave, the transfer motor is not stopping ?... so the record is placed on the turntable it starts to rotate, the tone arm comes over, record is placed then lifts, the record is picked up and returned to the carosuel and continues to the next selection... everything is working apart from this action..?hope someone can point me to the relay or microswitch.Cheers John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Sun Jun 28 01:41:51 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (jeffzurn@cox.net) Date: Sun Jun 28 01:51:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer #547 Amp. Message-ID: <515565143-1246178680-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-426390282-@bxe1124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Jim I had a similar problem. Turned out to be the volume control pot. It was intermittent and would cut out one channel only Jeff ------Original Message------ From: James McClave Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ReplyTo: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer #547 Amp. Sent: Jun 27, 2009 7:06 PM Working on a Wurlitzer modl 3100 jukebox with a 547 amp in it. I have one chanell not working {just very low hum} . I work mostly on older amps , and was wondering if anyone in the group has some experience with these type amps. I have already tried swapping the driver and output transistors with the other channel that is working good and I have no change. Other than the usual capacitors, etc. , is there any high failure-rate items in these amps? thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Jun 28 02:10:35 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Jun 28 02:12:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI TROPICANNA In-Reply-To: <350260.70127.qm@web96009.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <350260.70127.qm@web96009.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c9f7d0$4bfd00a0$e3f701e0$@force9.co.uk> Hi John, The select light and the rejecting will not be connected. You can operate the mechanism out of the machine with no connection to the button bank whatsoever. It may be purely a fluke that the two things occurred at the same time. Sounds like you've sorted it now though which is good. If it happens again, let me know, Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Wilson Sent: 28 June 2009 09:31 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI TROPICANNA Hi Nigel,She is behaving at the moment, for some reason the "SELECT" lights when lit would keep everything operating ... as soon as the needle touched down, it would reject and go onto the next selection, i bypassed the reed switch and cutout switch but it didn't do anything (I took out the lamps in the select indicator and all is good) ... will check out the connections from the "button bank" back.Cheers john --- On Sat, 27/6/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI TROPICANNA To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Received: Saturday, 27 June, 2009, 9:05 PM The most likely cause is the mechanism is rejecting. Check the following:- Towards the back of the tonearm is a reed switch which activates the trip when the record ends. Check the switch is not shorting and both cables (orange and Grey I think) are attached. Also, check the automatic trip on the arm is not out of adjustment. This is a screw and contact towards the back of the arm, and a spade connector under the arm. It is there in case someone selects a blank record. Sometimes the screw needs backing out a bit. Reject switch on rear. Also check the cables behind this. 2 orange and 2 grey (I think). These also terminate in the rear between the amp and preamp... Make sure they are not shorted. When the mech is putting the record down, does it go through the cycle of cancelling the pin and toggling the record playing bar ? I have a JBM so can assist Regards, Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Wilson Sent: 27 June 2009 08:00 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI TROPICANNA Hi Team,I have a JBM200 Tropicanna that has decided to misbehave, the transfer motor is not stopping ?... so the record is placed on the turntable it starts to rotate, the tone arm comes over, record is placed then lifts, the record is picked up and returned to the carosuel and continues to the next selection... everything is working apart from this action..?hope someone can point me to the relay or microswitch.Cheers John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sun Jun 28 02:55:52 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sun Jun 28 02:57:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stolen jukes References: Message-ID: Jim, I'm in the UK so I don't think there is much chance of me coming across any of the machines that were stolen from you...BUT, I am looking and if I see anything suspicious I will be in contact with you straight away! I would not assume that the lack of discussion about your first posting means that no one is interested or cares - I think most of us do, but unless we see or hear of something suspicious matching your descriptions then what can we say? Anyway, I'm glad the guy has been caught, perhaps the whereabouts of the jukes will eventually become known if he "talks". Even if this does not happen, rest assured that there are eyes and ears all over the world monitoring the market for you. By the way, I changed the subject line title on this reply as I think enough has been said on the other subject. Best Regards, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Day (the "Record Hound")" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:48 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] King of Pop Helo fellow Jukers - Looks like I will have to chime in here. BTW - they caught the guy who stole our jukeboxes, he is in jail but we don't have the jukes yet, so everyone PLEASE keep an eye out for them - RockOla Super Rocket with the mech out of the unrestored cabinet, Seeburg A with the mech out of the restored cabinet, Seeburg Phono Jet, and Continental 2 with the "R" in "StereoRound" hanging loose. Having said that, I will also say that I am very surprised that only 2 people had anything to say about our jukeboxes being stolen. If *I* read about a fellow juker getting ripped off, *I* would at least say "hey, I'm on Craigs List and eBay regularly, I'll keep a lookout. If someone starts a thread about eBay scam postings, it receives scores of replies and threads, yet someone here has a beautiful Conti 2 STOLEN and are we circling the wagons here to help each other? I think we are, but here is the REAL reason my Irish is up - What really bothered me, as I read the latest posts, are the nasty attacks on the late Michael Jackson. Robert Aker had some especially nasty things to say about a man who can no longer defend himself. Robert, I just hope that such nasty things are not said about YOU over your grave. Scott Cummings, your comments were not much better. Shame on you both. This is NOT about free speech. This is a freakin' JUKEBOX HOBBYIST NEWS GROUP. If you want to get political, if you want to practice law, please go elsewhere. If you did not care for Michael Jackson, my first question to you is did you ever meet him in person? Probably not. Yet you proceed to bash him every which way from Sunday. Were you on the jury? Or do you base your "judgements" on what you have "heard"? Shame on you, Robert and Scott, and anyone else who is so consumed with hatred. Years ago I subscribed to the Holy Smoke Religeous Newsgroup. THAT is where these types of inflammatory comments belong. We do NOT want them here. Your childish comments embarass me. Do you realize that this newsgroup is read throughout the world. EVERYONE has heard of Michael Jackson. How many people have heard of YOU, Robert, Scott, Tony? How many are reading your posts and thinking "how narrow-minded these jukebox people are". I, for one, want to say that you narrow-minded few do not speak for the majority of us who love music, REALLY love classic jukeboxes, and love the fellowship and spirit of comraderie that this news list inspires. No one said you must enjoy Michael Jackson's music. Maybe you hated his music. That's fine. Lots of people did not care for Michael Jackson's music. I had some Miles Davis records, some Billie Holiday records, some old-time gospel records. And I played them only once, and decided I either slit my wrists or sell them. (I sold them ;-) Everyone's taste in music is different. Not a big deal. IS this so difficult a concept to grasp? People vote with their wallets. They pay to listen to the kind of music they like. A whole lot of people liked the "Thriller" album. They liked the music, the excitement, the dancing, eccentric and brilliant singer, the joy of listening to it. A whale of a lot of people. Enough to make it number one. The Jackson 5 is the sound of MY youth. It is a happy sound. A young happy sound. I have nearly every single the J5 issued on Motown. When I go through collections, I will buy anything on the Motown label. Motown, "The Sound Of Young America". Happy, cheerful, singalong songs. And no one said you must embrace Michael Jackson's lifestyle. Jerry Lee Lewis had a sordid career, should we roast him next? After all, he is no longer able to defend himself either. How about King of Soul, James Brown, who did hard time. Johnny Cash? Janis Joplin, Freddy Mercury of the alternative lifestyle? Even Elvis was known to make racial slurs. Gasp. Alex's post should be re-read by everyone. Thank you, Alex. And THAT is my five-cents' worth. (Used to be two-cents' worth!) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 From stamann at jukebox-world.de Sun Jun 28 03:16:50 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Sun Jun 28 03:22:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI K Production Information Message-ID: Hello Ron, I needed to shorten this thread quite much as it was bounced three times already. So this one only covers the info we could collect and sum up so far. I think so, too, that half of the "B" got off somehow - maybe you're right and the screenprinting wasn't well done. The JPK-200 our customer has is definately a keyboard model, not manual select. So I don't think 995 is meant for manual select. This is what AMI gives on the different mechanisms: 900: 200 selection, electric (electric = means incl. stepper) 900-1: 120 selection, electric 950: 100 selection, manual 960: 200 selection, manual 985: 200 selection, automatic (automatic = without stepper) 990: 100 selection, automatic These mechanisms were used up until Continental 2 - and also the Conti 2 manual does not say anything about a 995 mechanism . With model JAL and JEL Rowe invented the mechanism 1100. So 995 is just inbetween regarding the number - but not listed anywhere. That's what makes me wonder. I updated my K-site and added the info on which mech goes in which model. http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/AMI/AMI_K200.htm Also I got a picture from Australia showing the automatic selection keyboard used in JJK and up. Kind regards - Hildegard From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] Fw: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 7:52 AM Hi Hildegard, Just a guess, as I know nothing about these model numbers--but could it be that the "995" indicates a "manual" (200 select) mechanism? Also, it appears to me that maybe the top half of that "B" just "fell" off--like maybe there was a drop of dust there when the screen was applied ? Ron Rich From: Stamann Subject: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] Fw: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 1:01 AM Hello to Everybody, In the meantime another modle AMI JPK-200 showed up. It is located in Germany and the owner gave me these details: - mono - amp R-2017A with L-2156B (the B is half removed so it looks more like a small printed capital D. Was it removed by accident or to mark it as a later version? The rest of the printings on this amp are in pretty good shape.) - 200 selections - keyboard for 200 selections - frontglass saying "AMI The World's finest Music" - mechanism: 995 - some parts show the date 30. Juni 1965 (which is the German way of writing a date. So I guess it's the date of a last check, changing that part or similar) One question is: what it mechanism 995? All lists I looked at end with mech 990. I listed all information on this so far here: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/AMI/AMI_K200.htm This site also shows a picture of the mechanism ID plate and the half B. Kind regards - Hildegard From: Stamann Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Fw: [bjoforum] AMI K Production Information To: "Graeme Harvey" , "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 5:07 PM Hello Graeme, thanks for sending this to me. Somehow I must have missed this post. I will summary the details for the JPK-200: - Serial numbers known so far: 526003, 526085 - random play feature - Mono - amp R2017 with the L2156 - one low range speaker and one horn speaker - wording on front glass is "AMI" and "The World's Finest Music". - select buttons for 100 play but magazine holds 100 records - has a keylock "mode" switch in back that when repositioned, will shut all of the machine lights off and play the other 50 records in the magazine, in series (someone referred to this as "background music" mode). - two counters, one for normal play and one for "background" play - automatic selector with seven wire bundle connectors. (The spare automatic selectors that I have only have 4 wiring bundle connectors. I'm assuming that the extra wires and connectors are related to the "background" music mode.) I see you asked the owner about a built in stepper but he did not answer that. He says he has an automatic selector - so the stepper would be optional and not built-in. Regarding this we figured out that models JAK-200, JBK-120, JEK-200 and JFK-120 have the built-in steppers like models before. But with models JJK-200 and up they did not use the stepper anymore and introduced the automatic selectors which are used in Lyric and Continentals, too. That's why your JJK-200 does not have the stepper. The other thing in your answer is the amp. You state that some time ago you saw a K with two former amps inside (R-145 probably). The K sound system parts catalog says that, if R-145 is used the former sound system parts catalog (which is from model I) has to be used. But so far everybody I asked about his K had the new version amp installed. So in the meantime I almost thought that the K never had the R-145 built in. Maybe they did so on very early models? 2x R-145 was also used in J stereo models. In any case this is a very unusual model K. Maybe this was AMI answer to the upcoming background music systems before they produced an own one in 1961 (HA 600, HA 700 - so far I never saw a picture of those but they are listed in the AMI History book if I remember right). If you can find Scott's email address again I think I would email him about the amp and if he has some pictures. I think it is interesting and worth to keep the information in our Archive. Thanks again for sending this to me. Kind regards - Hildegard From pat2355 at aol.com Sun Jun 28 06:18:22 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 28 06:26:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stolen jukes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBC60A0BEB3BB7-D6C-401E@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> When I read your first post I was freaked out. I have several jukes and because of their size I figured no thief would ever be able to take them. I guessed yours were being stored in a rental property, which probably gave them the time they needed. Even though I'm in Washington, on the other coast, I would have contacted you if I had any information about your jukes. We all certainly hope you recover them and they're not damaged in any way. Keep in mind that losing prized possession has stressed you out and do something nice for yourself as a summer vacation. Michael Jackson was a talent entertainer and I'll always enjoy the talent, energy and exuberance he displayed. If he had a dark side God will be judging that. Unfortunately our society has allowed financial ability to play a large role in what we will tolerate... i.e. Madoff., OJ. Perhaps? thoughts like on this forum will someday inspire society to tie legal responsibility to financial power. I'd like B Madoff to suffer as much as every widow/retiree he bilked. The civil lawsuit, which cost OJ, seemed to me to be a step in the right direction. Postman Pat *9? working days to retirement *( explains the buzz) ? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 28 08:30:28 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jun 28 08:32:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] hi rowe ami tropicana Message-ID: <925645.39799.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thomas, That is usually caused by a lack of, or improper motor lubrication. Unfortunately, the "Marketing dept" "brains" at Rowe insisted that "No lubrication was needed for 5 years" on some models. The people that build the motors, however, do not advise allowing five years to pass prior to filling the oil wicks. One of the companies I spoke with, advise 6 months, and 20 wt. ND oil-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/27/09, thomas.leigh@btinternet.com wrote: From: thomas.leigh@btinternet.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] hi rowe ami tropicana To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 11:59 PM hi all members ???i had this problem on a caddette? --same motor- the problem i found was the motor shaft gear (which is spring loaded and works on a centrifugal? force) was not going out of mesh when the power was stopped by the micro switch so the gear box was still turning so in fact it continued on to the next record? just check this on your motor? ? tom U/K _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Jun 28 08:38:07 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Jun 28 08:39:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] one more MJ post and your gone!!! Message-ID: <17175.66404.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 6/27/09, goldenflash60@aol.com wrote: > any listing other than jukebox related will be reported! Really! Well! Report away. I think Al Gore still runs the Internet. Maybe you can report me to him. Or to AOL. Don't they run the Internet, too? They used to say they did. I subscribe to 5-6 mailing lists. I read maybe 1/4 of the traffic on them. That's what the Subject: line in the headers is for. Off topic "storms" are relatively infrequent here compared to some mailing lists, and they are usually brief exchanges between people I like and respect, and they are even, frequently, interesting. So, an occasional drift away from the core purpose of this mailing list is no big deal to me. It was a headache back in the 1980s, when my email came across a UUCP (pulse) dialup connection to a UUNET-gateway server 50 miles away, which was a toll call from my home. Even connecting in the middle of the night, and with TOLLPAK service from my phone company, it was spendy. But, times change. I know longer place toll free calls to Zenith numbers, I no longer send telegrams to friends in Europe, and I no longer pay by the 1/6th minute to get my email. Good thing, too, because with web-based email readers, it would cost a lot more than it did in the 80s! Take care. From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Sun Jun 28 09:36:44 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Robert Aker) Date: Sun Jun 28 09:38:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] one more MJ post and your gone!!! References: <17175.66404.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c9f80e$9fbfd670$0201a8c0@desktop> We will report you and your little dog Toto too!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] one more MJ post and your gone!!! > > --- On Sat, 6/27/09, goldenflash60@aol.com wrote: > > >> any listing other than jukebox related will be reported! > > Really! Well! Report away. I think Al Gore still runs > the Internet. Maybe you can report me to him. Or to AOL. > Don't they run the Internet, too? They used to say they did. > > I subscribe to 5-6 mailing lists. I read maybe 1/4 of the > traffic on them. That's what the Subject: line in the > headers is for. Off topic "storms" are relatively > infrequent here compared to some mailing lists, and they > are usually brief exchanges between people I like and > respect, and they are even, frequently, interesting. > So, an occasional drift away from the core purpose of > this mailing list is no big deal to me. It was a > headache back in the 1980s, when my email came across a > UUCP (pulse) dialup connection to a UUNET-gateway server > 50 miles away, which was a toll call from my home. > Even connecting in the middle of the night, and with > TOLLPAK service from my phone company, it was spendy. > But, times change. I know longer place toll free calls to > Zenith numbers, I no longer send telegrams to friends in > Europe, and I no longer pay by the 1/6th minute to get my > email. Good thing, too, because with web-based email > readers, it would cost a lot more than it did in the 80s! > > Take care. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Jun 28 09:39:38 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Jun 28 09:41:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] hi rowe ami tropicana In-Reply-To: <925645.39799.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <925645.39799.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01c9f80f$073ce900$15b6bb00$@force9.co.uk> I'm not a big fan of that motor on the Rowes. I think it is a 'multi' motor. The spec changed around the time of the JAO Diplomat and I think they attempted to put some simple electronic braking on as well. I used to go out to a lot of repairs where the small gear was stripped in that motor. It?s ok when the machine is working well, but one bent divider in the carousel and the record jamming into it can shear the gear pretty quickly - or abuse by people manually operating the gripper arm. In my experience I find Rowe machines (the 1100 mech) the most 'parts hungry' machines around. Saying that they are my favourite! Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 28 June 2009 16:30 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] hi rowe ami tropicana Thomas, That is usually caused by a lack of, or improper motor lubrication. Unfortunately, the "Marketing dept" "brains" at Rowe insisted that "No lubrication was needed for 5 years" on some models. The people that build the motors, however, do not advise allowing five years to pass prior to filling the oil wicks. One of the companies I spoke with, advise 6 months, and 20 wt. ND oil-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 6/27/09, thomas.leigh@btinternet.com wrote: From: thomas.leigh@btinternet.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] hi rowe ami tropicana To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 11:59 PM hi all members ???i had this problem on a caddette? --same motor- the problem i found was the motor shaft gear (which is spring loaded and works on a centrifugal? force) was not going out of mesh when the power was stopped by the micro switch so the gear box was still turning so in fact it continued on to the next record? just check this on your motor? ? tom U/K _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Jun 28 11:21:26 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jun 28 11:23:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Enough! In-Reply-To: <7555EF9D6ADB4C079CD351D658AFE21C@WilliamHPLap> References: <8CBC5BA32DF2C5C-A18-2FAA@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com> <7555EF9D6ADB4C079CD351D658AFE21C@WilliamHPLap> Message-ID: <4A47B4A6.30102@west.net> I have been operating this list for ten years and haven't yet had to even come close to any kind of forced moderation. Knock it off. Everyone. No more posts regarding Michael Jackson, or posts regarding posting about Michael Jackson, or posts about posts about... etc. This includes on-list comments about this message. If you want to write me privately, please feel free to do so. Regardless of other issues, the man definitely had an influence in the music business on which jukeboxes depend. When a recording artist makes the news, it's not unusual to see some chatter on the list about it, and that's OK. This has gone way beyond that, and it must stop now. We are a community here, and as such our other interests come out and that's OK from time to time. Hot-button emotional topics and politics need to be left behind. There are 640 people on this list, so please consider the relevance to the community before hitting "Send". At least one respected member has left due to this issue. P.S. Don't even think about mentioning Phil Spector unless it directly relates to his influence on music. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From edbap at aol.com Sun Jun 28 11:50:30 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 28 13:11:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Enough! OK, 1015 question In-Reply-To: <4A47B4A6.30102@west.net> References: <8CBC5BA32DF2C5C-A18-2FAA@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com><7555EF9D6ADB4C079CD351D658AFE21C@WilliamHPLap> <4A47B4A6.30102@west.net> Message-ID: <8CBC63871C60C02-E54-353C@webmail-me15.sysops.aol.com> OK, I was cleaning up my 1015 yesterday, one that was restored about 10 years ago, and discovered that 3 selections would not select. 19, 21, and 22.? (I could sometimes get 22 to work).? When I pushed the button, the credit came off, I heard a clunk sound, but nothing after that. I checked all the jones plug connections, and could not find any issues in the junction box, I I doubt 3 coils have burned out, all at once.? Any ideas?? Thanks, Ed -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:21 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Enough! I have been operating this list for ten years and haven't yet had to even come close to any kind of forced moderation.? ? Knock it off. Everyone. No more posts regarding Michael Jackson, or posts regarding posting about Michael Jackson, or posts about posts about... etc.? ? This includes on-list comments about this message.? ? If you want to write me privately, please feel free to do so.? ? Regardless of other issues, the man definitely had an influence in the music business on which jukeboxes depend. When a recording artist makes the news, it's not unusual to see some chatter on the list about it, and that's OK. This has gone way beyond that, and it must stop now.? ? We are a community here, and as such our other interests come out and that's OK from time to time. Hot-button emotional topics and politics need to be left behind. There are 640 people on this list, so please consider the relevance to the community before hitting "Send".? ? At least one respected member has left due to this issue.? ? P.S.? Don't even think about mentioning Phil Spector unless it directly relates to his influence on music.? ? --? Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From dppe at inebraska.com Sun Jun 28 14:50:50 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sun Jun 28 14:57:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playing records In-Reply-To: References: <7027601394df822f8093a054d865789d@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <0bf92627e19fdfbf0dd19cc4106ad844@inebraska.com> Got out the manual, lubricated machine using the lubrication chart and cleaned the switches. The mech on this machine was completely gone through and restored 5 years ago and is very clean looking so I don't think it is gummed up, but I guess I could be wrong. I have noticed that if I turn the machine on and wait a few minutes to make my selections it works fine. If I immediately start making selections it takes 2 to 5 selections before it stops rejecting the record on touch down. Once the machine has been turned on for a few minutes I immediately get positive results when I make my selections. I have tried this several times with the same result. Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Dana On Jun 24, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > ...If it starts working correctly after a few cycles then it's probably > lubrication (lack of, or wrong type). Follow the link Jeff posted and > see > how you get on. > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:04 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not > playingrecords > > > My Seeburg VL200 will not play the first 4 or 5 selections and then > works fine after that. The arm and needle touch down on the record and > it immediately rejects it. It does this on both sides of the record. > After this happens it starts to play correctly and works fine after > that. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dana > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.90/2200 - Release Date: > 06/24/09 > 12:49:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jag at ellijay.com Sun Jun 28 14:52:17 2009 From: jag at ellijay.com (Jackie Grizzle) Date: Sun Jun 28 15:05:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Motor Noise Message-ID: <70061776BBBF4D0B8A7078E7E6544958@LAPTOP> Hi, I just read an older post ofyours, regarding motor noise on your Wurkitzer 3210 and your attempts to solve the problem. I have just gotten a 3210 that has, what may be, the exact same problem. When the needle sits down on the record, but before the music starts the noise is very loud, but not that noticeable once there is music. I have checked several things without any luck. Not sure if it is rumble or the cartridge or what. I have changed one motor mount, the others seem to be soft, but I am also going to change them. Would like to hear from you, regarding any success you had, and if you have any suggestions for solving this problem. Thanks, Jack Send any reply to: jag@ellijay.com From jay at west.net Sun Jun 28 15:05:04 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jun 28 15:07:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playing records In-Reply-To: <0bf92627e19fdfbf0dd19cc4106ad844@inebraska.com> References: <7027601394df822f8093a054d865789d@inebraska.com> <0bf92627e19fdfbf0dd19cc4106ad844@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <4A47E910.4080702@west.net> Dana wrote: > Got out the manual, lubricated machine using the lubrication chart and > cleaned the switches. The mech on this machine was completely gone > through and restored 5 years ago and is very clean looking so I don't > think it is gummed up, but I guess I could be wrong. I have noticed > that if I turn the machine on and wait a few minutes to make my > selections it works fine. If I immediately start making selections it > takes 2 to 5 selections before it stops rejecting the record on touch > down. Once the machine has been turned on for a few minutes I > immediately get positive results when I make my selections. I have > tried this several times with the same result. Thanks everyone for your > suggestions. Dana Take the mech cover off and leave the machine powered down for a while to duplicate the problem. Make a selection when cold, and hold your finger on the trip lever as the record loads. If you hear a buzzing and feel the trip solenoid pull the lever up, it's electrical. Could be a bad or mis-adjusted trip switch. If it rejects without the lever being pulled up, it's mechanical. I've found this in one case to be a shaft in the back of the mech controlling the clutch varnished up. It's a real pain to get to it, you need to remove an E-clip and a spring. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Sun Jun 28 15:23:50 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jun 28 15:26:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Motor Noise In-Reply-To: <70061776BBBF4D0B8A7078E7E6544958@LAPTOP> References: <70061776BBBF4D0B8A7078E7E6544958@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <4A47ED76.40806@west.net> Jackie Grizzle wrote: > Hi, > > I just read an older post ofyours, regarding motor noise on your Wurkitzer 3210 and your attempts to solve the problem. I have just gotten a 3210 that has, what may be, the exact same problem. When the needle sits down on the record, but before the music starts the noise is very loud, but not that noticeable once there is music. I have checked several things without any luck. Not sure if it is rumble or the cartridge or what. I have changed one motor mount, the others seem to be soft, but I am also going to change them. > Would like to hear from you, regarding any success you had, and if you have any suggestions for solving this problem. > Thanks, > Jack It sounds mechanical, but try this: Use a tool such as a Popsicle stick to hold the stylus just off of the record when you make a selection. If no noise except when the stylus is on the record then you've verified that it's mechanical, most likely motor or turntable rumble. The reason that it is loud until there is music is because of AVC action in the amplifier. This raises the volume on quiet records to keep the overall volume similar on location. The lead-in groove is quiet, so the amplifier raises the volume. It may get loud again at the end of the record if there's a long lead-out groove. If it's indeed mechanical, try slipping the belts off of the idler pulley. If the noise is still there with the stylus on the record not turning, it is the motor, motor mounts, or idler. If not, it's probably the turntable bearings. There's an oil hole on the top of the turntable shaft but you may need to disassemble, clean, and relubricate. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 28 17:20:16 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jun 28 17:25:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playing records Message-ID: <993266.92270.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, Dana, Jay that's true, however "warm up time" leads me to think that? the shaft is not the problem--I would hazard a guess that it's a weak 2050 tube--possibly the 12AX7, or a failing cap in the PA-1. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/28/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playing records To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 3:05 PM Dana wrote: > Got out the manual, lubricated machine using the lubrication chart and cleaned the switches.? The mech on this machine was completely gone through and restored 5 years ago and is very clean looking so I don't think it is gummed up, but I guess I could be wrong.? I have noticed that if I turn the machine on and wait a few minutes to make my selections it works fine.? If I immediately start making selections it takes 2 to 5 selections before it stops rejecting the record on touch down.? Once the machine has been turned on for a few minutes I immediately get positive results when I make my selections.? I have tried this several times with the same result.? Thanks everyone for your suggestions.? Dana Take the mech cover off and leave the machine powered down for a while to duplicate the problem. Make a selection when cold, and hold your finger on the trip lever as the record loads.???If you hear a buzzing and feel the trip solenoid pull the lever up, it's electrical.? Could be a bad or mis-adjusted trip switch. If it rejects without the lever being pulled up, it's mechanical.? I've found this in one case to be a shaft in the back of the mech controlling the clutch varnished up.? It's a real pain to get to it, you need to remove an E-clip and a spring. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Jun 28 17:28:22 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jun 28 17:30:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playing records In-Reply-To: <993266.92270.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <993266.92270.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A480AA6.3070801@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Jay, Dana, > Jay that's true, however "warm up time" leads me to think that the shaft is not the problem--I would hazard a guess that it's a weak 2050 tube--possibly the 12AX7, or a failing cap in the PA-1. Ron Rich > The symptom is that it rejects on touchdown. If the electronics for the Tormat aren't warmed up then it wouldn't pick up the record at all. Unless I'm missing something I don't see how a bad 2050 would cause the record to reject immediately. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From recordhound at verizon.net Sun Jun 28 18:06:34 2009 From: recordhound at verizon.net (Jim Day (the "Record Hound")) Date: Sun Jun 28 18:58:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] STOLEN jukes update Message-ID: <3FB5A32E0A224754A14EEAD52A216061@recordhound> We have several rental properties in Clay County FL (Green Cove Springs). This is not too far from Orange Park. This particular house is in Silver Creek, fully furnished. We had a "tenant" move in (used the name of "David Gorell") who had a female accomplice who stole my wife's identity. He proceeded to masquerade as the "landlord" and advertised the house for rent at a ridiculously low price. Four people responded to his ad, gave him cash and were ripped off. When he moved out, he took some things he should not have taken. The Super Rocket (Rock Ola 1434) was literally in pieces, as well as the Seeburg A, both awaiting me putting them back together. The 1434 needed the cabinet redone, as well as several cosmetic parts. The serial number is 125584, it is a 1434A. I don't have the other serial numbers handy. This person obviously wanted to hold these "hostage", as he had no idea if the mechs even worked. He later texted my wife, claiming to be an attorney and wrote that the jukeboxes were safely in storage and what compensation would we want. Made no sense, maybe me meant "what compensation would we OFFER?". He is now in the Manassas VA Detention Center. He was also wanted in Texas and New York. He has a record. My first question was "why was someone like this even out of jail to begin with?". The Continental 2 was in excellent condition, and the Seeburg Phono Jet was in good condition. These two jukes were in the house, the other two were in the garage. He also had a rental company deliver two widescreen TVs and absconded with those, as well as a pressure washer which he first offered to sell to a neighbor. Apparently, this two were pulled over for speeding (those speed traps are not all bad!) - the officer did not like teh way they acted and checked - and took them both into custody. I hope he will tell someone where our stolen goods are. He may try to sell them, that's why I am asking everyone to be on the lookout. Needless to say, Alex and I are both pretty sad over all this. Friends - this could happen to you. Houses get broken into. People get desperate. Pipes burst and flood basements. Houses catch fire. Scammers are out there in droves. Makes no difference WHERE you live. Clay County Florida is a relatively safe and peaceful area. PLEASE - make sure your collection is insured. Thank you everyone. *jim and alex day From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 28 17:44:31 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jun 28 18:58:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playing records Message-ID: <34808.20057.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, Believe me, They are "funny" tubes when they begin to fail-- have seen that happen MANY times--change the tube, ends the problem !? A partial check is to watch the 2050 tube when cold--if you can see it fire, note if it is "remaining fired".? They do this often when used in the stepper function--causes wrong selections-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/28/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg VL200 initially not playing records To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 5:28 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Jay, Dana, > Jay that's true, however "warm up time" leads me to think that? the shaft is not the problem--I would hazard a guess that it's a weak 2050 tube--possibly the 12AX7, or a failing cap in the PA-1. Ron Rich > The symptom is that it rejects on touchdown.? If the electronics for the Tormat aren't warmed up then it wouldn't pick up the record at all. Unless I'm missing something I don't see how a bad 2050 would cause the record to reject immediately. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 28 17:46:41 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jun 28 18:59:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Enough! OK, 1015 question Message-ID: <104889.93212.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ed, "Toggle" or "operate" those three coils "by hand". Could be that they have become "stuck" do to non-use?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/28/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Enough! OK, 1015 question To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 11:50 AM OK, I was cleaning up my 1015 yesterday, one that was restored about 10 years ago, and discovered that 3 selections would not select. 19, 21, and 22.? (I could sometimes get 22 to work).? When I pushed the button, the credit came off, I heard a clunk sound, but nothing after that. I checked all the jones plug connections, and could not find any issues in the junction box, I I doubt 3 coils have burned out, all at once.? Any ideas?? Thanks, Ed -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:21 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Enough! I have been operating this list for ten years and haven't yet had to even come close to any kind of forced moderation.? ? Knock it off. Everyone. No more posts regarding Michael Jackson, or posts regarding posting about Michael Jackson, or posts about posts about... etc.? ? This includes on-list comments about this message.? ? If you want to write me privately, please feel free to do so.? ? Regardless of other issues, the man definitely had an influence in the music business on which jukeboxes depend. When a recording artist makes the news, it's not unusual to see some chatter on the list about it, and that's OK.. This has gone way beyond that, and it must stop now.? ? We are a community here, and as such our other interests come out and that's OK from time to time. Hot-button emotional topics and politics need to be left behind. There are 640 people on this list, so please consider the relevance to the community before hitting "Send".? ? At least one respected member has left due to this issue.? ? P.S.? Don't even think about mentioning Phil Spector unless it directly relates to his influence on music.? ? --? Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Jun 28 19:16:39 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jun 28 19:21:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] STOLEN jukes update In-Reply-To: <3FB5A32E0A224754A14EEAD52A216061@recordhound> References: <3FB5A32E0A224754A14EEAD52A216061@recordhound> Message-ID: <4A482407.2020603@west.net> Jim Day (the "Record Hound") wrote: > The Super Rocket (Rock Ola 1434) was literally in pieces, as well as the Seeburg A, both awaiting me putting them back together. The 1434 needed the cabinet redone, as well as several cosmetic parts. The serial number is 125584, it is a 1434A. I don't have the other serial numbers handy. Please post the serial numbers of the other jukes if you can. We'll be on the lookout for them. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Jun 28 19:40:07 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Jun 28 19:52:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] STOLEN jukes update Message-ID: <457688.23076.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 6/28/09, Jim Day (the "Record Hound") wrote: > We have several rental properties in > Clay County FL (Green Cove Springs). This is not too > far from Orange Park. This particular house is in > Silver Creek, fully furnished. We had a "tenant" move > in (used the name of "David Gorell") who had a female > accomplice who stole my wife's identity... To my mind, this raises the question: Why would you leave anything of real value in a rental property? Furniture, appliances, etc., I can understand; and if one or more of those is abused, they're easy enough to replace. And although I've never been a landlord, it just stands to reason that you would not leave a jukebox, piano, set of china, silverware, a classic car, or anything that couldn't be replaced at the Goodwill at a property that you didn't have immediate control over. And the raised question leads to a begged question: Why did you trust these people? From Trollmasters at webtv.net Mon Jun 29 00:35:24 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Mon Jun 29 00:47:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer #547 Amp. In-Reply-To: jeffzurn@cox.net's message of Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:41:51 +0000 Message-ID: <27951-4A486EBC-255@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> My volume control is okay Jeff , Ive checked it and cleaned it. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From jay at west.net Mon Jun 29 00:53:21 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jun 29 08:33:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer #547 Amp. In-Reply-To: <10840-4A46D014-3896@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <10840-4A46D014-3896@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <4A4872F1.6080107@west.net> James McClave wrote: > Working on a Wurlitzer modl 3100 jukebox with a 547 amp in it. I have > one chanell not working {just very low hum} . I work mostly on older > amps , and was wondering if anyone in the group has some experience with > these type amps. I have already tried swapping the driver and output > transistors with the other channel that is working good and I have no > change. Other than the usual capacitors, etc. , is there any high > failure-rate items in these amps? thanks, Jim Try swapping the cartridge input plugs with each other. Also, does flipping the switch to MONO from STEREO bring the other channel up? If so it's the pickup or its wiring and not the amplifier. If it is the amplifier, the fact that it is stereo makes it easier to troubleshoot. Check the voltages on each stage with reference to the other. A signal tracer or oscilloscope would be best to se where the signal stops, but DC voltage checks may pinpoint it. Also probe with an insulated tool to see if you have a bad connection or solder joint. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From s.cummings4738 at att.net Mon Jun 29 05:30:09 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Mon Jun 29 08:33:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need detailed pic of Seeburg A Message-ID: <167197697-1246278597-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1922833126-@bxe1033.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Anyone with a Seeburg A, please email me off-list. I need a pic of a part that is missing in most machines. The tin trim that lines the inside of the mech portion of the cabinet has a few pieces right around the mech (between it and the side mirrors) that seems to have been discarded by techs along the way. If you have these pieces can you please send me a pic so I can reproduce them for my machine? Thanks a bunch! Scott From bfogel at embroiderysystemscanada.com Mon Jun 29 08:01:49 2009 From: bfogel at embroiderysystemscanada.com (Bruce Fogel - Melco Canada) Date: Mon Jun 29 08:33:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlizter 3100 - Loudness Control Wire & Plug Assy 125699 & 125700 Message-ID: <001801c9f8ca$88e12af0$9aa380d0$@com> Hi guys. I'm new to the list . I just picked up a Wurlitzer 3100 and restoring it. I'm looking for a the above parts as the previous owner has managed to jimmy jig it with a paper clip, but it's time to make it right. I've contacted a few people looking for parts but no luck. Any ideas would be welcome. Thanks and it looks like this list is a great resource. I have 2 other Jukebox's I've had stored away for the last 30 years that I will be working on soon so I'm sure I will be a regular. Thanks Bruce From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Jun 29 09:16:30 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Jun 29 09:43:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 543 Amp - Speaker wiring Message-ID: <0AF3357637184934AAC8FE4C7F7BE9EE@CHRISLAPTOP> Hi all, I just realised something that may be causing some of my issues with the amplifier: Someone has wired both left and right speakers in series to a single connection on the left channel! The switch was set to mono when I got it. If I am right, this could be overloading the A (left?) channel and running the right channel without any load ? The latter is a big no-no for tube amps right ? Chris From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Mon Jun 29 09:59:12 2009 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Mon Jun 29 10:11:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 543 Amp - Speaker wiring References: <0AF3357637184934AAC8FE4C7F7BE9EE@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: The other channel is likely bad. I have seen several like this. I would rebuild the amp and place the speaker wires in the proper position. It does not do the output transformer any good so fix it properly. Ron Tyler ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Chris Ralph Sent: Mon 6/29/2009 9:16 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 543 Amp - Speaker wiring Hi all, I just realised something that may be causing some of my issues with the amplifier: Someone has wired both left and right speakers in series to a single connection on the left channel! The switch was set to mono when I got it. If I am right, this could be overloading the A (left?) channel and running the right channel without any load ? The latter is a big no-no for tube amps right ? Chris _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 29 10:12:17 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 29 10:20:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] STOLEN jukes update Message-ID: <20090629.131217.1239.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jimmy: Wow---that's quite a story. I'm glad for you that the police were able to catch this perp. The guy sounds like he's a walking crime wave. Hopefully, you can find your items. BTW, have you ever seen the Michael Keaton/Melanie Griffith movie "Pacific Heights"?? What happened to you almost sounds like the plot-line of this movie. Last, did "Gorell" drive a black Dodge pickup truck? If yes, there's a possibility this guy was in Atlanta trying to peddle an a shabby non-working Continental II last Sept. I know that this doesn't fit your timeline. In talking to the guy, you could sense that he wasn't on the up-and-up. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8pkNra851rw1Q2w5BSMqXyCP3tD81zeosF24OZFubLj59UrhG/ From jay at west.net Mon Jun 29 10:18:46 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jun 29 10:21:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 543 Amp - Speaker wiring In-Reply-To: <0AF3357637184934AAC8FE4C7F7BE9EE@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <0AF3357637184934AAC8FE4C7F7BE9EE@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4A48F776.9090707@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > Hi all, > > I just realised something that may be causing some of my issues with the > amplifier: Someone has wired both left and right speakers in series to a > single connection on the left channel! The switch was set to mono when I > got it. > > If I am right, this could be overloading the A (left?) channel and > running the right channel without any load ? The latter is a big no-no > for tube amps right ? It can be but not likely. There's a feedback loop in Wurlitzer amplifiers that will limit excessive voltage swings from an open load. However, the right channel is likely bad. It probably failed a long time ago. That's why the operator jumpered both speakers to the working channel and set it to mono. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Trollmasters at webtv.net Mon Jun 29 10:20:38 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Mon Jun 29 10:28:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer #547 Amp. In-Reply-To: Jay Hennigan 's message of Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:53:21 -0700 Message-ID: <27951-4A48F7E6-981@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Thanks for the info Jay. Its definately in the amp. It seems to be somewhere in the mother board assembly. Somewhere around the circuit of Q3, driver transistor. My voltages around the base, and collector are much lower than the good channel. Still probing around. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From jay at west.net Mon Jun 29 10:42:10 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jun 29 10:44:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 543 Amp - Speaker wiring In-Reply-To: <0AF3357637184934AAC8FE4C7F7BE9EE@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <0AF3357637184934AAC8FE4C7F7BE9EE@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4A48FCF2.6060405@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > Hi all, > > I just realised something that may be causing some of my issues with the > amplifier: Someone has wired both left and right speakers in series to a > single connection on the left channel! The switch was set to mono when I > got it. If they're in series with the standard red-black-white factory wiring that would mean that the red and white wires are tied to the amplifier and the black is floating. This puts the speakers out of phase and will greatly reduce the bass. If red and white are tied to the hot and black to the "G" terminal then they're in parallel. By the way, a quick distortion/balance test for this vintage of Wurlitzer is as follows: Set switch to MONO, lift the black wire from the G terminal. Play a record and rotate the balance control for minimum sound. If everything is perfect you should hear nothing. An ideal amplifier will produce the exact same voltage/phase at the output of both channels and there won't be any signal to the speakers. In the real world the balance control will typically be slightly off center and you'll hear some residual sound. For extra fun, play a stereo record. "Take It Easy" by the Eagles is a great example. Flip the switch to STEREO with the black wire still disconnected and you'll hear an eerie hollow sound with harmony you haven't heard before. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 29 10:48:37 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 29 10:58:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Motor Noise Message-ID: <20090629.134837.1239.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Jackie: The turntable motor mounts on your W3210 can become stiff or will sag with age. The rubber mounts act as isolators. This will allow the motor's normal vibration to be transmitted through the record changer frame to the tone arm. They will most likely need to be replaced. Sometimes, loosening the motor and turning the motor mounts 180 degrees will help, but this is a temporary solution. Any of the items that Jay mentioned (i.e. lack of lube, belt problems,etc ) can also cause increased TT rumble. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRS4PaKNBcCeOUETBGBBnZxXTWFDQHv1rFPeDMtiYNBZyDwXZ8s/ From webmaster at guestwho.com Mon Jun 29 11:02:38 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Mon Jun 29 11:39:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 543 Amp - Speaker wiring In-Reply-To: <4A48FCF2.6060405@west.net> References: <0AF3357637184934AAC8FE4C7F7BE9EE@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A48FCF2.6060405@west.net> Message-ID: <80E82FDD293548EEAEC8EBDBA2054085@CHRISLAPTOP> I think it goes like this (the tweeter is wired in there somewhere too I think): 1) Red wire from amp A to left speaker positive 2) White wire from left negative to right positive 3) Black wire from right negative to amplifier G I will double check though because red and white could just be tied together (parallell) and I'm looking at it wrong. Thansk for the tips re balancing, I'll have to try the eagles one! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 543 Amp - Speaker wiring > Chris Ralph wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I just realised something that may be causing some of my issues with the >> amplifier: Someone has wired both left and right speakers in series to a >> single connection on the left channel! The switch was set to mono when I >> got it. > > If they're in series with the standard red-black-white factory wiring that > would mean that the red and white wires are tied to the amplifier and the > black is floating. This puts the speakers out of phase and will greatly > reduce the bass. > > If red and white are tied to the hot and black to the "G" terminal then > they're in parallel. > > By the way, a quick distortion/balance test for this vintage of Wurlitzer > is as follows: > > Set switch to MONO, lift the black wire from the G terminal. Play a > record and rotate the balance control for minimum sound. If everything is > perfect you should hear nothing. An ideal amplifier will produce the > exact same voltage/phase at the output of both channels and there won't be > any signal to the speakers. > > In the real world the balance control will typically be slightly off > center and you'll hear some residual sound. > > For extra fun, play a stereo record. "Take It Easy" by the Eagles is a > great example. Flip the switch to STEREO with the black wire still > disconnected and you'll hear an eerie hollow sound with harmony you > haven't heard before. > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jun 29 11:50:11 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jun 29 11:54:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 543 Amp - Speaker wiring Message-ID: <20090629.145011.12715.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Chris: Wurlitzer factory wiring usually has 1 common black wire. This acts as the return or "ground" wire to both spkr channels. There will be 3 conductors total. I have seen a few jukes from this era where a separate common lead (4 conductors total) for each channel are used. Connect the common(s) to the com terminal on your amp. Your juke should have 3 spkr drivers total. There are two dis similar 12" speakers and a 4" cone tweeter. Channel 1 has a red spkr "hot" lead This connects the 12" heavy duty woofer, (has larger magnet of the 2) the in-line HF bypass capacitor and cone tweeter. Channel 2 has either a blue or green color "hot" lead. This connects the 12" mid range speaker only. The mid range speaker is usually has a Jensen special-design label on the spkr frame. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bpRNWBa47hOKILzqnMkYDiK6GKf1ih0jU8tDwcBVDWja3mvIP2/ From jay at west.net Mon Jun 29 11:54:21 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jun 29 12:09:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 543 Amp - Speaker wiring In-Reply-To: <80E82FDD293548EEAEC8EBDBA2054085@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <0AF3357637184934AAC8FE4C7F7BE9EE@CHRISLAPTOP> <4A48FCF2.6060405@west.net> <80E82FDD293548EEAEC8EBDBA2054085@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4A490DDD.4020408@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > I think it goes like this (the tweeter is wired in there somewhere too I > think): > > 1) Red wire from amp A to left speaker positive > 2) White wire from left negative to right positive > 3) Black wire from right negative to amplifier G > > I will double check though because red and white could just be tied > together (parallell) and I'm looking at it wrong. Black should go to all speaker negatives. Full-range speaker + should go to white. (Left?) Woofer + and (tweeter + via series capacitor) in parallel should go to red. (Right?) There's a red dot on the amplifier corresponding to the red wire. http://verntisdale.com/schem/543a.jpg The stereo imaging and separation in these boxes is pretty bad even when fully working, considering dissimilar speakers on each channel. Decent separation in the width of a jukebox cabinet is pretty tough in any case but the early days of stereo led to some pretty weird things on the reproduction side as well as the recording side. A lot of early stereo records were mixed with the vocals on one channel and the instrumentals on the other which just sounds weird. Many of the early Beatles were this way as well as the Beach Boys if I recall correctly. It would sure destroy the authenticity but I think a Seeburg R equipped for stereo with kick-ass woofers in the front and coaxials on the side would really rock. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From mccrarydavid at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 29 21:06:37 2009 From: mccrarydavid at bellsouth.net (mccrarydavid) Date: Mon Jun 29 23:33:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg EBCS! key? Message-ID: <230A200A28484CF7B1927A0948434D48@tricera> Did you get your answer? I have two of these to make one. They both use the same lock. I left the numbered key in one of them...I'll be glad to check and reply if you still need the info. dave in TN From DDEDIC at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Jun 29 12:09:57 2009 From: DDEDIC at EARTHLINK.NET (DALE DEDIC) Date: Tue Jun 30 05:24:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlizter 3100 - Loudness Control Wire & Plug Assy125699 & 125700 In-Reply-To: <001801c9f8ca$88e12af0$9aa380d0$@com> References: <001801c9f8ca$88e12af0$9aa380d0$@com> Message-ID: Hi I enjoy the site, but was just wondering, is there a site like this for pinballs??? Thanks Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Fogel - Melco Canada" To: Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:01 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlizter 3100 - Loudness Control Wire & Plug Assy125699 & 125700 > > > > > Hi guys. I'm new to the list . I just picked up a Wurlitzer 3100 and > restoring it. I'm looking for a the above parts as the previous owner has > managed to jimmy jig it with a paper clip, but it's time to make it right. > I've contacted a few people looking for parts but no luck. Any ideas would > be welcome. Thanks and it looks like this list is a great resource. I have > 2 > other Jukebox's I've had stored away for the last 30 years that I will be > working on soon so I'm sure I will be a regular. Thanks Bruce > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dppe at inebraska.com Tue Jun 30 06:42:56 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Tue Jun 30 06:44:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Wurlitzer 2304 (1959) Bottom Back Door Panel Message-ID: <6f178a9757b0f58e9d58cb4b4cc20fe4@inebraska.com> Does anyone have the bottom smaller rectangular back panel door with a cut out on the side for the on and off switch, volume control and reject buttons in decent shape they would be willing to sell to me? Cost of panel and shipping to 68507? Thanks, Dana From dppe at inebraska.com Tue Jun 30 06:44:55 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Tue Jun 30 06:46:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Back door panel for Wurlitzer 2304 Message-ID: If you have one, please email me at (dppe@inebraska.com). Thanks! Dana From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Tue Jun 30 08:24:28 2009 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Tue Jun 30 08:26:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlizter 3100 - Loudness Control Wire & PlugAssy125699 & 125700 References: <001801c9f8ca$88e12af0$9aa380d0$@com> Message-ID: rec games pinball and Internet Pinball Database Ron Tyler ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of DALE DEDIC Sent: Mon 6/29/2009 12:09 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlizter 3100 - Loudness Control Wire & PlugAssy125699 & 125700 Hi I enjoy the site, but was just wondering, is there a site like this for pinballs??? Thanks Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Fogel - Melco Canada" To: Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:01 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlizter 3100 - Loudness Control Wire & Plug Assy125699 & 125700 > > > > > Hi guys. I'm new to the list . I just picked up a Wurlitzer 3100 and > restoring it. I'm looking for a the above parts as the previous owner has > managed to jimmy jig it with a paper clip, but it's time to make it right. > I've contacted a few people looking for parts but no luck. Any ideas would > be welcome. Thanks and it looks like this list is a great resource. I have > 2 > other Jukebox's I've had stored away for the last 30 years that I will be > working on soon so I'm sure I will be a regular. Thanks Bruce > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Tue Jun 30 09:24:56 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Jun 30 09:26:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need Wurlitzer Remote Volume Kit 192 (or parts thereof) for 2150 on location... Message-ID: <4A4A3C58.9050206@telus.net> Does anyone have the remote volume portion of the kit for the Wurlitzer 2100 (2200/2300) remote volume control setup? I have the plug-in relay box for the amplifier, but need the external bit for an old (he's 83!) commercial customer of mine - still running a 2150 in a downtown Vancouver, BC location and he has wallboxes hooked up as well! If you are ever in Vancouver and looking for a wallbox experience please visit the Templeton Restaurant, 1087 Granville St. in downtown Vancouver, BC. http://thetempleton.blogspot.com/ Thanks! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From alex at eyeballrecords.com Tue Jun 30 10:05:09 2009 From: alex at eyeballrecords.com (alex saavedra) Date: Tue Jun 30 10:12:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need Wurlitzer Remote Volume Kit 192 (or parts thereof) for 2150 on location... In-Reply-To: <4A4A3C58.9050206@telus.net> References: <4A4A3C58.9050206@telus.net> Message-ID: <64F6D15B-D5B1-4406-8A6C-A9AEC4BC0B6B@eyeballrecords.com> i think i have one. get back at me. -a On Jun 30, 2009, at 12:24 PM, John Robertson wrote: > Does anyone have the remote volume portion of the kit for the > Wurlitzer 2100 (2200/2300) remote volume control setup? I have the > plug-in relay box for the amplifier, but need the external bit for > an old (he's 83!) commercial customer of mine - still running a 2150 > in a downtown Vancouver, BC location and he has wallboxes hooked up > as well! > > If you are ever in Vancouver and looking for a wallbox experience > please visit the Templeton Restaurant, 1087 Granville St. in > downtown Vancouver, BC. > > http://thetempleton.blogspot.com/ > > > Thanks! > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just > flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 eyeball records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ 07436 http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com eyeball records | el presidente paper tiger llc | janitor w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work product. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this electronic transmission is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender by reply e-mail, destroy all hard copies of the original message and attachments and delete same from your system. Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. Thank you. From pinball at telus.net Tue Jun 30 10:25:35 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Jun 30 10:27:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need Wurlitzer Remote Volume Kit 147 (or parts thereof) for 2150 on location... Message-ID: <4A4A4A8F.9000707@telus.net> I had the wrong kit number - its supposed to be Kit 147, identified from: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Wurlitzer/WurlitzerKit143.htm Does anyone have the remote volume portion of the kit for the Wurlitzer 2100 (2200/2300) remote volume control setup? I have the plug-in relay box (stamped"192") for the amplifier, but need the external bit for an old (he's 83!) commercial customer of mine - still running a 2150 in a downtown Vancouver, BC location and he has wallboxes hooked up as well! If you are ever in Vancouver and looking for a wallbox experience please visit the Templeton Restaurant, 1087 Granville St. in downtown Vancouver, BC. http://thetempleton.blogspot.com/ Thanks! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 30 13:27:38 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Tue Jun 30 13:29:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: stereo speaker hook-up Message-ID: Hello Jay, funny you should mention this. I bought an Seeburg R wired as you described years ago. It had been converted to stereo using a shfa2 amp and Q tonearm. the mute/squelch had been disabled though; very different set-up between a Q and R. they used two crossovers from a V, and split the speakers into two channels. the 12's were electrovoice coaxials biwired with caps in series with the tweeters. sides were full range alnico. It didn't sound as good as i thought it would, but if placed in the corner it had very good channel separation with reflected sound from the side speakers. justin ____________________________________ The stereo imaging and separation in these boxes is pretty bad even when fully working, considering dissimilar speakers on each channel. Decent separation in the width of a jukebox cabinet is pretty tough in any case but the early days of stereo led to some pretty weird things on the reproduction side as well as the recording side. A lot of early stereo records were mixed with the vocals on one channel and the instrumentals on the other which just sounds weird. Many of the early Beatles were this way as well as the Beach Boys if I recall correctly. It would sure destroy the authenticity but I think a Seeburg R equipped for stereo with kick-ass woofers in the front and coaxials on the side would really rock. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 30 13:37:45 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Tue Jun 30 13:39:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 545 amp.... Message-ID: I was taking a look at the 543 amp print Jay referenced in his posting and couldn't read the .gif image so grabbed my factory manual with the 545 amp. Alas I have another manual that has had the schematic cut out of it. They left just enough paper to let you know where it should have been. One of the downfalls of using an old operator's set. Does anyone have a clean scan of a 545 amp i could print out and staple back into the manual? Justin _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 From webmaster at guestwho.com Tue Jun 30 14:08:51 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Tue Jun 30 14:10:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 545 amp.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a pdf scan of the 543 if that helps.. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin S." To: Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 545 amp.... I was taking a look at the 543 amp print Jay referenced in his posting and couldn't read the .gif image so grabbed my factory manual with the 545 amp. Alas I have another manual that has had the schematic cut out of it. They left just enough paper to let you know where it should have been. One of the downfalls of using an old operator's set. Does anyone have a clean scan of a 545 amp i could print out and staple back into the manual? Justin _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From sonnygirl at cafes.net Tue Jun 30 21:57:12 2009 From: sonnygirl at cafes.net (sonnygirl@cafes.net) Date: Tue Jun 30 21:58:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg EBCS! key? Message-ID: <50434.1246424232@cafes.net> John, If your unit has the standard Seeburg issue Illinois lock, try a # F-278. If you don't have one, I'll loan you my spare for the test. Just email me direct with your mailing address. dave in Tennessee From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Jun 30 22:42:11 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Jun 30 22:43:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 Message-ID: <27951-4A4AF733-4067@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Anyone know how to eliminate an acoustic howl in a Wurlitzer 1100 jukebox? Speaker has been re-coned, amp re-built , etc. Plays good except for the acoustic howl. Seems to be from that dog-gone Cobra cartridge system. Can any springs/ washers ec. be added on the mech. shelf area? Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 30 23:15:03 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Tue Jun 30 23:16:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 In-Reply-To: <27951-4A4AF733-4067@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <27951-4A4AF733-4067@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <632A4C0672D04750AD2ACDDAA8E52E3A@WilliamHPLap> The Cobra system really is a POS but it sure looks nice. Have you tried turning the bass down? Re-oiling the cartridge pad might fix you. Does the preamp have a good tube in it with the large metal shield over the top of it? William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 > Anyone know how to eliminate an acoustic howl in a Wurlitzer 1100 > jukebox? Speaker has been re-coned, amp re-built , etc. Plays good > except for the acoustic howl. Seems to be from that dog-gone Cobra > cartridge system. Can any springs/ washers ec. be added on the mech. > shelf area? Thanks, Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list