From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 1 05:50:01 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Wed Jul 1 05:51:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic howl: wurly 1100.... Message-ID: Hi Jim, the Cobra system is actually pretty good sounding when it's in good order. Better than anything else that was on the market at the time. Swap the preamp tube. Very susceptible to microphonics. How are the rubbers on the speaker board? If they are stiff you will get this type of feedback. Speakers vibrates cab, which vibrates preamp unit, etc. A freshly packed cart is also a help. Justin Anyone know how to eliminate an acoustic howl in a Wurlitzer 1100 jukebox? Speaker has been re-coned, amp re-built , etc. Plays good except for the acoustic howl. Seems to be from that dog-gone Cobra cartridge system. Can any springs/ washers ec. be added on the mech. shelf area? Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters at webtv.net _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 1 10:51:02 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 1 10:53:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic howl: wurly 1100.... Message-ID: <20090701.135102.1362.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: RE: 1100 sound problems If you are hearing a low frequency howling sound (sounds like a tuba) when playing records, first, try turning down the volume and the bass control. At some point, this should stop it. The baffleboard holding the 15" speaker is supposed to be shockmounted on 4 rubber isolation mounts. With age, these rot out and let the sagging baffleboard touch the jukebox door. Speaker vibrations are then coupled to the phono pickup through the cabinet. Sometimes these isolators have been removed altogether by a previous owner. If you need to buy new isolators and/or brackets, these are available from Victory Glass. The cobra phono cartridge, if being used to play 78's works quite well and is a good fit. The quality of some modern cobra replacements is rather poor. If you can, try substituting another cobra cartridge and see if the sound quality changes. There is a European-made cobra replacement being sold, that seems to have better,more consistent quality than the others. This cartridge is being sold at www.needles4jukeboxes.com There is a 6SN7 tube in the phono preamp chassis,that can become microphonic and will cause a howling sound. When a record is playing, lift tone arm off the record with your finger. If the howling sound continues, most likely this (or another) tube is causing your problem, rather than the acoustical coupling caused by the speaker. hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ3413iG75sCni7TtyHhPcwsqpABAHJDWejFyzK2Pf20QzyG7gxNm/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 1 11:00:45 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 1 11:03:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 545 amp.... Message-ID: <20090701.140045.1362.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Have you tried checking Vern Tisdale's website (www.verntisdale.com) He has scans of many amp schematics there. There are some subtle circuit differences between the 543-544 and 545 amps, even though they all use the same tube line up. I can scan a 545 schematic for you, if you can't get it from Tisdale. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to find deals on color printers and inks. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR5fKl15PhrKnHhx2tWcrcaK7cy9aVSY5KIdmpqnPsthpC8qu5LMU/ From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jul 1 12:23:21 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Wed Jul 1 12:25:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 References: <27951-4A4AF733-4067@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <9CE82393212A422DBB64DC40F0DA0D84@JUKEBUS> Jim, I had a similar problem on a W750 a while back. All that others have said about the rubber mountings etc. is important, but I still had the problem with new rubbers and even moderate volume. Eventually I traced it to some wrong value capacitors in the tone control circuit, these were giving the amplifier an incorrectly high gain at the resonant frequency! I think whoever rebuilt the amp did it without a schematic and misread some of the values on the old caps. Hope this helps. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 6:42 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 Anyone know how to eliminate an acoustic howl in a Wurlitzer 1100 jukebox? Speaker has been re-coned, amp re-built , etc. Plays good except for the acoustic howl. Seems to be from that dog-gone Cobra cartridge system. Can any springs/ washers ec. be added on the mech. shelf area? Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.1/2211 - Release Date: 06/30/09 11:37:00 From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Jul 1 12:51:55 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Wed Jul 1 12:56:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic howl: wurly 1100.... Message-ID: <200907011551610.SM00680@[192.168.1.206]> I haven't done this in a while so my memory may be way off, but I seem to recall having this happen when I restored some 1015s and 1100s. It turns out that most of the time, the problem was caused by the fact that the mech board was attached to the cabinet way too tightly and not allowed to "bounce" freely on the four rubber bumpers that cushion the mech. But for me, it was more like a low rumble/feedback that came out of the speakers. Loosening up the four bolts that hold the mech in place did the trick. Again, I may be way off on this, but it sounds familiar. Aaron From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 1 13:25:38 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 1 13:29:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 Message-ID: <20090701.162538.15505.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Yes, wrong cap values installed in an amp or a wiring error could make the amp oscillate (feed back) on it's own. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbd6xmjwkdiGESNITCBAR834LhkGyXBpnT0flytK1YNhNNIhrSONi/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 1 13:35:10 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 1 13:38:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic howl: wurly 1100.... Message-ID: <20090701.163510.15505.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hello Aaron: Yes, having the mech board bolted down will cause feedback to happen at lower volume settings than if the changer were floating on the springs. The overall effect will be the same if the spkr baffleboard isn't floating on it's rubber isolators. Old de-formed isolators will sag and let the speaker board come into contact with the door frame. With either of these problems happening, you will usually be able to play the machine at low/moderate volume settings without the low-freq. feedback howl setting in. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to get free auto insurance quotes from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVuaANkuoTTJ4mxxjuKBpacQGpecvfxFtwhjOtuevmAl4r5PhzslC/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 1 14:18:50 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Jul 1 14:21:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] non jukebox related question Message-ID: Hi everyone, Thanks to those of you who commented on my recent Model 61 resto. I know I'm supposed to stick to juke related questions and comments, but most juke people are also arcade people so I was hoping that someone on the list has, (or know someone who has) pins for shuffle alleys. Specifically I'm looking for the small type for an early 50's united clover. The back of the pins have two tabs with a hole through each that a roll type pin attaches it to the pin setter. Most of the small pins usually had numbers painted on them and that would be ok as well. I really don't care if they are painted or not as long as they are not broken and have the mounting system i just decribed. The new old stock pins will not work and they are too big anyway. I could send a photo if it helps. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 1 15:11:21 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Wed Jul 1 15:13:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 545 amp schematic Message-ID: Hi Jim, Tisdale's site was first place i looked but the resolution is pretty bad. Can't read values/details off of it. If you have a better copy it would be greatly appreciated. Justin Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:00:45 GMT From: "James Alexander" Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 545 amp.... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Message-ID: <20090701.140045.1362.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Gentlemen: Have you tried checking Vern Tisdale's website (www.verntisdale.com) He has scans of many amp schematics there. There are some subtle circuit differences between the 543-544 and 545 amps, even though they all use the same tube line up. I can scan a 545 schematic for you, if you can't get it from Tisdale. Jim Alexander _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 From bobe at halted.com Wed Jul 1 15:44:16 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Wed Jul 1 16:00:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] non jukebox related question Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090701224416.009afeb8@hsces.com> At 05:18 PM 7/1/2009 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi everyone, Thanks to those of you who commented on my recent Model 61 resto. I know I'm supposed to stick to juke related questions and comments, but most juke people are also arcade people so I was hoping that someone on the list has, (or know someone who has) pins for shuffle alleys. Specifically I'm looking for the small type for an early 50's united clover. Hey! I have a 1954 United "Clover" too! Unfortunately, no spare pins. I really need to dig it out of the back bedroom and get it out where it can be played again. I've had it since I was a kid. The bright red of the backglass background has faded to a pastel pink color... --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From johntrav at windstream.net Wed Jul 1 14:35:48 2009 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Wed Jul 1 16:34:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] non jukebox related question References: Message-ID: <3797DA6DB10A4E8A8E040D959D2AC2B7@JOHNTRAV> Happ Controls www.happ.com lists a bowling pin for Williams and United bowlers. A picture is shown and specs are white/red imprint, 10" length, mounting hole centers spaced 1.84". Part # is 32-1445.1. Hope this helps, John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] non jukebox related question Hi everyone, Thanks to those of you who commented on my recent Model 61 resto. I know I'm supposed to stick to juke related questions and comments, but most juke people are also arcade people so I was hoping that someone on the list has, (or know someone who has) pins for shuffle alleys. Specifically I'm looking for the small type for an early 50's united clover. The back of the pins have two tabs with a hole through each that a roll type pin attaches it to the pin setter. Most of the small pins usually had numbers painted on them and that would be ok as well. I really don't care if they are painted or not as long as they are not broken and have the mounting system i just decribed. The new old stock pins will not work and they are too big anyway. I could send a photo if it helps. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Wed Jul 1 17:49:16 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Wed Jul 1 17:50:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 In-Reply-To: "Juke of Shrewsbury" 's message of Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:23:21 +0100 Message-ID: <8749-4A4C040C-1092@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Thanks Adrian , I rebuilt the amp myself , and the cap values are correct that I installed. William , what oiling of the cartridge are you referring too? Imsuspiciuos of the mech board being tightened , I dont think this model "floats" like most other mech shelfs. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 1 18:56:14 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Jul 1 19:00:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 References: <8749-4A4C040C-1092@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <000501c9fab8$483ea000$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Take a closer look underneath. The mech board is clamped tight to the cabinet mounts, but the mech casting floats on adjustable springs, plus the motor is isolated from the rest of the mech. Being the last of the 24 play mechs, the 1100 model has many improvements over the earlier models. I'm not a fan of the cobra, as it usually has a bit of background "hiss" to me. It is not "oiled", but full of a compound that looks like white grease. It will dry out or seep out over time. Radio Shack sells a heat sink compound you can use. Put a little bit on the edge of a razor blade or business card and shove it inside next to the needle. Go easy - too much and you will lose all treble. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 > Thanks Adrian , I rebuilt the amp myself , and the cap values are > correct that I installed. William , what oiling of the cartridge are you > referring too? Imsuspiciuos of the mech board being tightened , I dont > think this model "floats" like most other mech shelfs. Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 1 18:57:30 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 1 19:01:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 Message-ID: <20090701.215730.13350.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> I have a W1100 that i am slowly reviving from the dead. It's mech mounting board is hard mounted to the cabinet frame. The speaker board is mounted on the rubber isolators, which in my case will need to be replaced. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRU5fVBWK2wpHLHaHjnhhMsCZHlYSKlfUFtVrOMuc1aXP9v7mbm/ From jugert at msn.com Wed Jul 1 20:34:04 2009 From: jugert at msn.com (jugert@msn.com) Date: Wed Jul 1 20:35:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] non jukebox related question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick try this link, this guy has some repro ballbowler pins & other parts/decals for them http://www.bigballbowler.com/parts.html Don Jugert Colorado > From: gibson510@hotmail.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:18:50 -0400 > Subject: [Jukebox-list] non jukebox related question > > > Hi everyone, Thanks to those of you who commented on my recent Model 61 resto. I know I'm supposed to stick to juke related questions and comments, but most juke people are also arcade people so I was hoping that someone on the list has, (or know someone who has) pins for shuffle alleys. Specifically I'm looking for the small type for an early 50's united clover. The back of the pins have two tabs with a hole through each that a roll type pin attaches it to the pin setter. Most of the small pins usually had numbers painted on them and that would be ok as well. I really don't care if they are painted or not as long as they are not broken and have the mounting system i just decribed. The new old stock pins will not work and they are too big anyway. I could send a photo if it helps. Any info would be appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Rick > > _________________________________________________________________ > Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Wed Jul 1 21:36:44 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Jul 1 21:38:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 545 amp.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A4C395C.2020808@telus.net> Justin S. wrote: > I was taking a look at the 543 amp print Jay referenced in his posting and couldn't read the .gif image so grabbed my factory manual with the 545 amp. Alas I have another manual that has had the schematic cut out of it. They left just enough paper to let you know where it should have been. One of the downfalls of using an old operator's set. Does anyone have a clean scan of a 545 amp i could print out and staple back into the manual? Justin > Can you print out ledger sized images? I can scan ledger (11" X 17") and send you a copy - and post it to flippers as well in the next day or so. Would 400DPI be sufficient? John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From Trollmasters at webtv.net Thu Jul 2 02:00:43 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Thu Jul 2 02:02:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 In-Reply-To: "James Alexander" 's message of Thu, 2 Jul 2009 01:57:30 GMT Message-ID: <23787-4A4C773B-1485@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> I checked my rubber speaker bushings and they are new. Seems like I have the howl on some records but not others. I have the 97-2 needle and cartridge , which is supposed to be good for repro 78s and original 78s. The jukebox is mixed with some repros and some originals. The repros are on a wierd "Prime" label. Its the repros that seem to be howling mostly. The originals I can not notice any howl at all. Wierd. I re-packed the cartridge tonite with some silicon heat-sink compound and letting it set up overnite and will try it again tomorrow. By the way - if anyone has an extra pair of color cylinder cages for this model, please give m a holler. VG is out of stock on them and Ive had some back-ordered thru them for 6 months now. Yikes. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From Trollmasters at webtv.net Thu Jul 2 02:08:46 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Thu Jul 2 02:10:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 In-Reply-To: "William Hill" 's message of Wed, 1 Jul 2009 02:15:03 -0400 Message-ID: <23784-4A4C791E-2386@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> The pre-amp has the shield over it and a good tube installed. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jul 2 10:08:34 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jul 2 10:11:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 Message-ID: <20090702.130834.20271.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> John: The Prime record label was part of a set of repro 78's that were being sold in the US. in the 80's. They offered several record packages at the time. From your description, it sounds like you are doing everything else correctly to get the best sound out of your cobra cartridge. If you turn down the volume or the bass control, does this make the noise stop? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Turn any room into a work of art. Click now for beautiful oriental rugs! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTn28HcbcZUfLscp62SR5TX6aZiSS24BX04g7cU1HHzLmjujrUIyU/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jul 2 10:20:52 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jul 2 10:23:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 Message-ID: <20090702.132052.20271.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> James: Quick tube test for microphonics (new tubes can be defective) Lift tone arm off of record with machine in the play position. Does the howling noise go away completely? If it continues, you probably have a microphonic tube. While keeping the pickup arm off the record in the play position, tap hard on the preamp steel tube shield with the eraser end of a pencil. Can you hear clicks, bangs, noises in the speaker? If yes, the tube is microphonic and should be changed. The tube type is a 6SN7. On the other hand, if the howling stops when you lift the tone arm off the record, the feedback howl is being caused acoustically by the speaker somehow vibrating the tone arm, records, record changer etc. The solution for this is a mechanical one that has been already covered in this thread. Good luck with your repair of the dried-out damping material in your cobra cartridge. I've heard that this can be a problem source, but have never personally had hands-on experience with it. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Let the sun shine in! 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To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <4A4C395C.2020808@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Justin S. wrote: > I was taking a look at the 543 amp print Jay referenced in his posting and couldn't read the .gif image so grabbed my factory manual with the 545 amp. Alas I have another manual that has had the schematic cut out of it. They left just enough paper to let you know where it should have been. One of the downfalls of using an old operator's set. Does anyone have a clean scan of a 545 amp i could print out and staple back into the manual? Justin > Can you print out ledger sized images? I can scan ledger (11" X 17") and send you a copy - and post it to flippers as well in the next day or so. Would 400DPI be sufficient? John :-#)# _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Jul 2 19:56:35 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Jul 2 19:58:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Saying Message-ID: <397023.91069.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Seen on "phonoland. com", posted by > "Thom"--- > Vinyl is a disease which attacks the area of the brain > desiring digital recordings. Once you catch it, you are > cured. My favorite record-related quote is an unintentionally funny one I found on Ebay: "Before there were CDs there were records. And before there were records there were 78s." From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Jul 2 20:17:47 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Jul 2 20:19:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Saying Message-ID: <70324.23103.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> My saying is (when a teenager says whats a 45? maybe a CD that is soft) I say you are the earths last hope.. lets hope the bomb drops now, I do not want to be around when you take over.. I am sure a flea could out think you.. Teenagers.. what a waste.. stupid beyond belief. (last said even when you explain it all.. they stand like a ZOMBIE, then say,, ok I get it... its an older Ipod)... No wonder some of us old-bies think the teenage world is seriously handi-capped.. (Where's you brain? .. oh I am not sure.. go catch it I saw it roll down the street idiot!!) ? --- On Thu, 7/2/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Saying To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 10:56 PM --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Seen on "phonoland. com", posted by > "Thom"--- > Vinyl is a disease which attacks the area of the brain > desiring digital recordings. Once you catch it, you are > cured. My favorite record-related quote is an unintentionally funny one I found on Ebay: "Before there were CDs there were records. And before there were records there were 78s." ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 20:35:16 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Thu Jul 2 20:43:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Saying In-Reply-To: <70324.23103.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <70324.23103.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My favorite quote was from a 7 or 8 year old that was visiting my shop with their parents. I was playing a mid-1980's jukebox that had the front door open, and the little girl looked and said, "WOW! Those are sure big CD's!!!" She obviously had never seen a 45RPM record... Thomas On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > My saying is (when a teenager says whats a 45? maybe a CD that is soft) I > say you are the earths last hope.. lets hope the bomb drops now, I do not > want to be around when you take over.. I am sure a flea could out think > you.. Teenagers.. what a waste.. stupid beyond belief. (last said even when > you explain it all.. they stand like a ZOMBIE, then say,, ok I get it... its > an older Ipod)... No wonder some of us old-bies think the teenage world is > seriously handi-capped.. (Where's you brain? .. oh I am not sure.. go catch > it I saw it roll down the street idiot!!) > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/2/09, David Breneman wrote: > > > From: David Breneman > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Saying > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 10:56 PM > > > > --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > > Seen on "phonoland. com", posted by > > "Thom"--- > > Vinyl is a disease which attacks the area of the brain > > desiring digital recordings. Once you catch it, you are > > cured. > > My favorite record-related quote is an unintentionally > funny one I found on Ebay: > > "Before there were CDs there were records. > And before there were records there were 78s." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to > http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From juke1515 at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 07:14:06 2009 From: juke1515 at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Fri Jul 3 07:15:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental II External Speakers Hook up Message-ID: <9fb7065e0907030714i8305d49qa6ac14230b2969f@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I would like to get a little more volume from my external EX-600 (Cylinder shaped) speakers hooked up to my AMI Continental II jukebox. Can someone identify the connections to get more volume, or does someone have a schematic of the speakers? Both paper connection labels are missing on the speaker....Help. Thank you, Berry Bell From Trollmasters at webtv.net Fri Jul 3 11:25:34 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Fri Jul 3 11:27:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 In-Reply-To: 's message of Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:56:14 -0400 Message-ID: <4231-4A4E4D1E-5601@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Looks like I found the problem guys. The 6SN7 pre-amp tube was harmonic. Tapping on it with the tonearm up gave me all kinds of wierd sounds. Replaced it and no more howl. I located those springs underneath, and dont really understand what function in life they are doing. They seem to be mounted in a way that nothing "floats" or has any spring action to it. Checked my 1015 and they are mounted the same way. I dont see how they provide any floating action at all. Unless the mechs are so heavy that its not noticeable. Anyway , the tube fixed my problem , thanks to all for the good inputs on this. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jul 3 14:31:44 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jul 3 14:35:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 Message-ID: <20090703.173144.17639.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> The springs supporting the record changer provide two functions--- They do provide some acoustic isolation from the speaker to allow higher volume playback before feedback happens. They also provide a certain amount of protection to prevent needle skip if somebody bumps the jukebox, shaky floors, etc. I'm glad you were able to identify and find your microphonic tube problem. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Meet active single Seniors for fun romance. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdjjAly3vzhuT5hUvM8fohHTECp5lXg0WBE5kdMrg7KmCp79YuDyo/ From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Fri Jul 3 14:45:50 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Fri Jul 3 14:53:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental II External Speakers Hook up References: <9fb7065e0907030714i8305d49qa6ac14230b2969f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <451D74F2C3FE4F7D9D8F3B1D59A57056@Graeme> G'day, The wiring schematic is shown in Continental 2 Manuel. It is the last few pages of the manuel,the page numbers are SSM-9 & SSM-10. I will scan it for you if you do not have the Manuel. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berry Bell" To: Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:14 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental II External Speakers Hook up > Hello, > > I would like to get a little more volume from my external EX-600 (Cylinder > shaped) speakers hooked up to my AMI Continental II jukebox. Can someone > identify the connections to get more volume, or does someone have a > schematic of the speakers? Both paper connection labels are missing on > the > speaker....Help. > > Thank you, > Berry Bell > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Fri Jul 3 15:43:04 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jul 3 15:44:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental II External Speakers Hook up In-Reply-To: <9fb7065e0907030714i8305d49qa6ac14230b2969f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9fb7065e0907030714i8305d49qa6ac14230b2969f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4E8978.4080706@west.net> Berry Bell wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to get a little more volume from my external EX-600 (Cylinder > shaped) speakers hooked up to my AMI Continental II jukebox. Can someone > identify the connections to get more volume, or does someone have a > schematic of the speakers? Both paper connection labels are missing on the > speaker....Help. Is there a transformer wired in the speaker or is the speaker driver connected directly to the terminals? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 3 19:30:31 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Fri Jul 3 19:34:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 References: <4231-4A4E4D1E-5601@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <000b01c9fc4f$67c576e0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> There should be four studs bolted to the mech board. The mech casting sits on springs, which sit on washers, which are held in place by a nut (and a lock nut) threaded onto the studs. I promise you the mech will float on these springs - enough so that you can easily rock the mech back and forth independent of the board. Loosen the nuts and lower the washer - chances are the nuts have been tightened for shipping so that the casting is up against the mech board. You should have about a 1/8" gap between the casting and the board. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 > Looks like I found the problem guys. The 6SN7 pre-amp tube was harmonic. > Tapping on it with the tonearm up gave me all kinds of wierd sounds. > Replaced it and no more howl. I located those springs underneath, and > dont really understand what function in life they are doing. They seem > to be mounted in a way that nothing "floats" or has any spring action to > it. Checked my 1015 and they are mounted the same way. I dont see how > they provide any floating action at all. Unless the mechs are so heavy > that its not noticeable. Anyway , the tube fixed my problem , thanks to > all for the good inputs on this. Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From berrycbell at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 19:46:51 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Fri Jul 3 19:56:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental II External Speakers Hook up In-Reply-To: <4A4E8978.4080706@west.net> References: <9fb7065e0907030714i8305d49qa6ac14230b2969f@mail.gmail.com> <4A4E8978.4080706@west.net> Message-ID: Jay, I'm very sure a transformer is wired inside the speaker. Berry On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Berry Bell wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I would like to get a little more volume from my external EX-600 (Cylinder >> shaped) speakers hooked up to my AMI Continental II jukebox. Can someone >> identify the connections to get more volume, or does someone have a >> schematic of the speakers? Both paper connection labels are missing on >> the >> speaker....Help. >> > > Is there a transformer wired in the speaker or is the speaker driver > connected directly to the terminals? > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From TGMCCM at aol.com Sat Jul 4 13:10:25 2009 From: TGMCCM at aol.com (TGMCCM@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 4 13:19:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 700 coin return button disassembly Message-ID: Hi folks: Does anyone have any experience in removing the red plastic button from a Wurlitzer 700 coin return bezel assembly? I am going to send it out for plating and want to remove the button. There is a 1/4" hex head on the back but trying to hold the button and turn the nut is not having any effect. Not sure if it is supposed to unscrew from the button or just off of the steel shaft. I don't want to put too much force on it until I know what is supposed to move. Regards and thanks. Tim ************** It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) From terryburke1 at charter.net Fri Jul 3 16:49:18 2009 From: terryburke1 at charter.net (Terry Burke) Date: Sat Jul 4 13:24:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 Message-ID: <3ED77492E3624A76BED19588F006D44B@terrya117f28c9> Rob, Are you still looking for a 2610 stepper? I have one. Bryanlshaw@hotmail.com From pinball at telus.net Sat Jul 4 13:31:26 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Jul 4 13:33:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 700 coin return button disassembly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A4FBC1E.5040801@telus.net> TGMCCM@aol.com wrote: > Hi folks: > > Does anyone have any experience in removing the red plastic button from a > Wurlitzer 700 coin return bezel assembly? I am going to send it out for > plating and want to remove the button. There is a 1/4" hex head on the back but > trying to hold the button and turn the nut is not having any effect. Not > sure if it is supposed to unscrew from the button or just off of the steel > shaft. I don't want to put too much force on it until I know what is supposed > to move. > > Regards and thanks. > > Tim > > The button unscrews, the nut is to lock the button to the thread so just turn the nut slightly back while holding the shaft firmly. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jay at west.net Sat Jul 4 14:01:15 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Jul 4 14:02:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental II External Speakers Hook up In-Reply-To: References: <9fb7065e0907030714i8305d49qa6ac14230b2969f@mail.gmail.com> <4A4E8978.4080706@west.net> Message-ID: <4A4FC31B.80005@west.net> Berry Bell wrote: > Jay, > > I'm very sure a transformer is wired inside the speaker. > > Berry If that is the case, connect one extension speaker to terminals E1 and E6 on the main amplifier. Connect the other to E1 and E6 of the add-on amplifier. Connect the internal speaker wiring as follows: Brown - E3 of main amplifier Red, Yellow - E5 of main amplifier Blue - E3 of add-on amplifier Green, Black - E5 of add-on amplifier. The add-on is the sub-plate on the amplifier chassis. If, with this setup, the remote speakers are still too low in volume, you'll need to change the transformer taps on the speakers themselves. Without specific documentation on the speakers it's hard to tell exactly how to do this. Some models have a switch, some a push-on terminal and taps, some need to be resoldered. You may need to experiment. Likewise you may need to experiment with phasing of the remote speakers to match the cabinet speakers. Swap the wires to each remote one at a time for best bass. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From gibson510 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 4 14:35:57 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Sat Jul 4 14:37:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Selector Woes Message-ID: I posted help for this issue a few months back. Here's what's going on. I can establish a credit, make a selection, it takes the credit off, but will not a pull a pin. I tried, 1. Known good pinbank. Still won't pull a pin, 2. Known good Selection Receiver with clean rebuilt CCU. Still wont pull a pin. 3. Adjusted contacts on the (original) electrical selector, Still wont pull a pin. I'm pretty sure that if this was my machine, it would be firewood at this point. No seriously. What's left? I'm against the wall. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 From EJoh100112 at aol.com Sat Jul 4 14:46:05 2009 From: EJoh100112 at aol.com (EJoh100112@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 4 14:54:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Selector Woes Message-ID: Rick As a last resort check the contacts on the relay in the credit unit. Check with an ohm meter while engaging the relay by hand. I've actually had a contact loose in the blade. Had to take apart and peen the contact. I always check these contacts now when I'm doing a Seeburg. Sounds like you've tried everything else. Ed **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 4 14:59:48 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Sat Jul 4 15:01:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Selector Woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <676C07788BC341759392B3D96CBA5998@WilliamHPLap> Also make sure both ratchet wheels for the wallbox are completely returned back to zero and the contacts above one of the wheels isn't bent out of place. Couldn't hurt to take apart and clean ALL the contacts on both the ratchet wheel assy's. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Selector Woes > Rick > As a last resort check the contacts on the relay in the credit unit. Check > with an ohm meter while engaging the relay by hand. I've actually had a > contact loose in the blade. Had to take apart and peen the contact. I > always > check these contacts now when I'm doing a Seeburg. > Sounds like you've tried everything else. > Ed > **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the > grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jul 4 16:33:28 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jul 4 16:35:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Selector Woes Message-ID: <854381.45491.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Change the 2 amp slow blow fuse even if it "checks good".? Are all of the group relay contacts operating--are the ground wires attached ?? Is the one ohm resistor on the CCU "open" ?? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 7/4/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Selector Woes To: "jukebox list" Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 2:35 PM I posted help for this issue a few months back. Here's what's going on. I can establish a credit, make a selection, it takes the credit off, but will not a pull a pin. I tried, 1. Known good pinbank. Still won't pull a pin, 2. Known good Selection Receiver with clean rebuilt? CCU. Still wont pull a pin. 3. Adjusted contacts on the (original) electrical selector, Still wont pull a pin. I'm pretty sure that if this was my machine, it would be firewood at this point. No seriously. What's left? I'm against the wall. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 4 17:51:29 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat Jul 4 18:02:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Selector Woes References: Message-ID: <001d01c9fd0a$bc564340$6101a8c0@Dirksen> If you've tried a known good pinbank and a known good receiver, then it has to be the keyboard or it's cable. Two common stress points are where the cable meets the keyboard just past where it is clamped to the cover, and the other end where it is soldered to the Jones plug. Remove both covers and check for a broken wire on one of the terminals. Of course there could be a break in the cable itself. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Selector Woes I posted help for this issue a few months back. Here's what's going on. I can establish a credit, make a selection, it takes the credit off, but will not a pull a pin. I tried, 1. Known good pinbank. Still won't pull a pin, 2. Known good Selection Receiver with clean rebuilt CCU. Still wont pull a pin. 3. Adjusted contacts on the (original) electrical selector, Still wont pull a pin. I'm pretty sure that if this was my machine, it would be firewood at this point. No seriously. What's left? I'm against the wall. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 4 19:50:45 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Sat Jul 4 19:52:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? Message-ID: <77561.90078.qm@web63203.mail.re1.yahoo.com> OK here are 3 parts I need,along with the part numbers from my rowe parts catalog: 1) diffuser (this is the part that goes over, under, or around?the top flourescent light....part # 30950201 ; item # 19) some kind of multi-colored plastic light shield 2) diffuser decal( for the above part)...part # 40844401 ; item #21 3) top plate for the cd title page assembly..part # 61039903 ; item # 13 used parts for any of these items are OK if available.I still haven't found the gray paint for the top of the cabinet;or the black for the bottom.all of the other parts that I needed I located-these are all that's left on my list.I noticed that the PO had the diffuser attached by packing tape...????..how is this part supposed to be attached????..one more thing..I'm thinking that there are pages missing from my manual/parts catalog..the page #s end at 8-48...could someone help with this mystery too?? thanks so much in advance! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:03 PM Ken, If you are speaking of the large "rubber cone" that fits into the springs on the whole mechanism, and NOT the ones for the CDM itself, they are Rowe part #21153701. Rowe calls them "spring support (lower). Ron Rich --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 4:58 AM Ya know I still have the part manual in the back of the service book;but the rubber bushings I mentioned aren't listed in the parts manual.I would love to get some touch up paint for the silver/gray on the top of the cabinet;not so much worried about the black on the cabinet right now.I will try rowe's site later,but I have a suspicion the juke is too 'old' for their site.Someone out there must be parting one of these out.....hehe.....and the local dist.'s don't carry anything either unless it's parts for the coin & $$ mechanisms.Is there a jukebox classifieds site like they have for the pinball machines?? Thanks! and still looking.......... Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 11:35 AM Didja check with your local Rowe Distrib, or Rowe themselves--best if you look up parts numbers in the book first--they are probably still available ! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 7:14 AM I'm looking for some misc. parts for my jukebox;so if you have one of these you're parting out(or know of one) please let me know.The parts I need include the following: - the top plastic piece to the title?page housing - a cash door with a working lock & key - 2 of those round rubber bushings that go under the springs( under the CD player mechanism) - paint code (????) to match the silver/gray (?) paint to the cabinet door on top & also the code for the black cabinet paint There are some other misc. things but that's all I can remember right now.Thanks in advance if you can help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From weightset at platesetting.ca Sun Jul 5 12:25:56 2009 From: weightset at platesetting.ca (platesetting) Date: Sun Jul 5 12:47:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola problem Message-ID: <32b5f94b236620b721bc90c06f321e1a@platesetting.ca> My Rockola Capri 2 has not worked for more than 25 years. Two wires broke off. I had soldered them back on but now don't remember where they connect. The dangling red and black wires connect to the part (inset). I think they connected to windings on the part. Photo is at www.platesetting.ca/part.jpg Any help? From jay at west.net Sun Jul 5 13:08:35 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jul 5 13:10:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola problem In-Reply-To: <32b5f94b236620b721bc90c06f321e1a@platesetting.ca> References: <32b5f94b236620b721bc90c06f321e1a@platesetting.ca> Message-ID: <4A510843.9010902@west.net> platesetting wrote: > My Rockola Capri 2 has not worked for more than 25 years. Two wires > broke off. I had soldered them back on but now don't remember where they > connect. The dangling red and black wires connect to the part (inset). I > think they connected to windings on the part. Photo is at > www.platesetting.ca/part.jpg The part appears to be a solenoid coil (electromagnet). There should be two protruding lugs to which the wires can be soldered. In this case either wire can connect to either lug, reversing them won't hurt anything. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sun Jul 5 13:12:17 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 5 13:21:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola problem In-Reply-To: <4A510843.9010902@west.net> References: <32b5f94b236620b721bc90c06f321e1a@platesetting.ca> <4A510843.9010902@west.net> Message-ID: <8CBCBC4074A2F28-12B4-350C@webmail-de02.sysops.aol.com> Is it me or is that one clean-looking box on the inside? -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola problem platesetting wrote:? > My Rockola Capri 2 has not worked for more than 25 years. Two wires > broke off. I had soldered them back on but now don't remember where they > connect. The dangling red and black wires connect to the part (inset). I > think they connected to windings on the part. Photo is at > www.platesetting.ca/part.jpg? ? The part appears to be a solenoid coil (electromagnet). There should be two protruding lugs to which the wires can be soldered. In this case either wire can connect to either lug, reversing them won't hurt anything.? ? --? Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From pinball at telus.net Sun Jul 5 15:25:34 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Jul 5 15:27:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola problem In-Reply-To: <32b5f94b236620b721bc90c06f321e1a@platesetting.ca> References: <32b5f94b236620b721bc90c06f321e1a@platesetting.ca> Message-ID: <4A51285E.4080005@telus.net> platesetting wrote: > My Rockola Capri 2 has not worked for more than 25 years. Two wires > broke off. I had soldered them back on but now don't remember where > they connect. The dangling red and black wires connect to the part > (inset). I think they connected to windings on the part. Photo is at > www.platesetting.ca/part.jpg > Any help? The wires go to the pin select coil - and in your case they appear to have been ripped out of the coil... I should have that in stock, send me a private email and I will check for you this week. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 5 20:15:51 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Sun Jul 5 20:17:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ROWE CD-51 Message-ID: <646372.83965.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If I remember correctly there was a multicolor sticker put on the milky plastic top or bottom. There might have been one around the florescent tube. They used either or both of them to control the amount of light on the pages. Unless you are nuts about being original, do whats best for the location. The floro tube light weakens the white plastic inside the box, check the harness hooks. You might check a CD-51A book for paint color, but I would go to a place that can match what you have. Of all the boxes I touched up, they didn't match, from old box to new paint. John the Jukebox Man From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sun Jul 5 22:59:12 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sun Jul 5 23:00:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 In-Reply-To: 's message of Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:30:31 -0400 Message-ID: <8747-4A5192B0-9217@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Jim, I investigated further and your right, the mech casting does float on those springs. Ive never noticed that before I guess because the mech casting is heavier , and even though Ive worked on these models before, I never really noticed it. The floating action is much more apparent on an old record player , much lighter, where you can easily see the floating action. Anyway, seems like most of my problem was with that harmonic 6SN7 tube. I have no howling now since I replaced that tube in the pre-amp, but interestingly, I also have a bit less volume since I replaced the tube. I have enough volume, just less. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From TGMCCM at aol.com Mon Jul 6 00:33:43 2009 From: TGMCCM at aol.com (TGMCCM@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 6 00:35:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 700 coin return button disassembly Message-ID: In a message dated 7/5/2009 3:00:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jukebox-list-request@lists.netlojix.com writes: > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:31:26 -0700 > From: John Robertson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 700 coin return button > disassembly > To: Jukebox mailing list > Message-ID: <4A4FBC1E.5040801@telus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > TGMCCM@aol.com wrote: > >Hi folks: > > > >Does anyone have any experience in removing the red plastic button from a > > >Wurlitzer 700 coin return bezel assembly? I am going to send it out for > >plating and want to remove the button. There is a 1/4" hex head on the > back but > >trying to hold the button and turn the nut is not having any effect. Not > > >sure if it is supposed to unscrew from the button or just off of the > steel > >shaft. I don't want to put too much force on it until I know what is > supposed > >to move. > > > >Regards and thanks. > > > >Tim > > > > > The button unscrews, the nut is to lock the button to the thread so just > turn the nut slightly back while holding the shaft firmly. > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > Thanks John. Tim ************** Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Jul 6 06:08:40 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Mon Jul 6 06:03:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 Message-ID: <200907060908543.SM01064@[192.168.1.206]> Can't remember if we covered this before, but is it possible to flatten out a warp that looks like it was caused by someone with flaming hot fingers holding on to the very edge of a 45? I went crazy at the local antique flea market yesterday and one of the records got by me. I'd love to able to fix it so it can play on the G-120. I think everyone would agree with me that "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" by John Denver is one that should be in every jukebox in the world! LOL! I was all set to scream "YYYYEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAA" at the top of my lungs when I saw the warp. I was ruined for the rest of the night. I don't want to bounce the tone-arm out of the G and into the F sitting next to it. Aaron From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Mon Jul 6 06:22:53 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Mon Jul 6 06:24:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 Message-ID: <334366.21390.qm@web111508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have used steam. But what I found works best is an old "IRON" set at a low temp I then used a thin piece of cotton and folded it around the record. put it in a large book and sat on it for about 5 mins.. good as new. Keep in mind you have to be very careful. ? Hope this helps, Regards, Tony --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Monday, July 6, 2009, 9:08 AM Can't remember if we covered this before, but is it possible to flatten out a warp that looks like it was caused by someone with flaming hot fingers holding on to the very edge of a 45? I went crazy at the local antique flea market yesterday and one of the records got by me. I'd love to able to fix it so it can play on the G-120. I think everyone would agree with me that "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" by John Denver is one that should be in every jukebox in the world! LOL! I was all set to scream "YYYYEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAA" at the top of my lungs when I saw the warp. I was ruined for the rest of the night. I don't want to bounce the tone-arm out of the G and into the F sitting next to it. Aaron -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From BSAKing at hotmail.com Mon Jul 6 07:00:25 2009 From: BSAKing at hotmail.com (BSA) Date: Mon Jul 6 07:08:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 References: <200907060908543.SM01064@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: It seems to me I remember reading at one time on one of the threads here that sandwiching the record between two pieces of glass in the sunshine for awhile may be a solution for that sort of problem. I never tried it personally though... I'm sure there are other methods that folks here will suggest.... -------Original Message------- From: Aaron Heverin Date: 7/6/2009 9:04:03 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 Can't remember if we covered this before, but is it possible to flatten out a warp that looks like it was caused by someone with flaming hot fingers holding on to the very edge of a 45? I went crazy at the local antique flea market yesterday and one of the records got by me. I'd love to able to fix it so it can play on the G-120. I think everyone would agree with me that Thank God I'm a Country Boy" by John Denver is one that should be in every jukebox in the world! LOL! I was all set to scream "YYYYEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAA" at the top of my lungs when I saw the warp. I was ruined for the rest of the night. I don't want to bounce the tone-arm out of the G and into the F sitting next to it. Aaron ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Jul 6 08:21:41 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Jul 6 08:23:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 Message-ID: <257058.28895.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 7/6/09, BSA wrote: > It seems to me I remember reading at > one time on one of the threads here > that sandwiching the record between two pieces of glass in > the sunshine for > awhile may be a solution for that sort of problem. I never > tried it personally though... That will work with shellac, but noy vinyl. A 45 has two problems when trying to flatten it. The first is the raised label area. This was part of the spec to minimize scuffing of the grooves, but it prevents the record from being pressed any flatter than the thickness of the raised area. The second is that unlike shellac, which bends when it warps, vinyl tends to stretch. This means that the surface area of the warped record is actually greater than the surface area of the pre-warped record. While you can sometimes heat the record and press out the worst of the warp, you will frequently trade one large warp for a ripple. From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 6 10:11:00 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Jul 6 10:12:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Selector Woes Message-ID: Thank you for the responses everyone. One more question. I have an electrical selector in a Model R parts machine. Can I use this selector to test on the B Electronics? I know the jones plug is the same but is the wiring for the selections as well? Thanks again for the help Rick _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jul 6 10:18:55 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jul 6 10:21:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 Message-ID: <20090706.131855.16794.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Here's another quick test you can try if you're inclined to experiment a little more... Your 1100 amplifier uses another 6SN7 tube as a final amp driver (on the main amp chassis, next to the 2 6L6 output tubes). Try swapping your preamp tube with this one and see if you get more gain. You may discover that you can operate your microphonic 6SN7 in the final drive position without the tube being noisy as this circuit is less sensitive than the preamp circuit. The preamp ckt requires that the tube in that position is working at peak performance. If you have several 6SN7's at your disposal, try more than one in the preamp postion, and choose the one that sounds best to you. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Handyman Franchises. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbiOFd0omyGicJrgtZYRg8JjxvhDaWy3j3r4ORUGRKkHShWKcyT0s/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Jul 6 10:24:11 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Mon Jul 6 10:26:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 In-Reply-To: <257058.28895.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <257058.28895.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002d01c9fe5e$93bdf310$bb39d930$@force9.co.uk> I have tried improving warped records in the past and unfortunately have had very little success. Some borderline ones may play ok on certain jukeboxes and not others. I think Seeburgs and upright players where the arm is tensioned on a spring tend to be slightly better. Be very careful though as the danger is to crush the groove itself, then the record is useless. I agree with David below, the groove protector as it is called, is raised in the middle so a 45 is not perfectly flat, and the material stretches and never goes back to its correct shape. For a happy ending I would be inclined to look for another copy of your record. Try Gemm.com and place it on a wants list if its not available. Or get someone to cut you a one off copy. In the long run that may be a better solution. Regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 06 July 2009 16:22 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 --- On Mon, 7/6/09, BSA wrote: > It seems to me I remember reading at > one time on one of the threads here > that sandwiching the record between two pieces of glass in > the sunshine for > awhile may be a solution for that sort of problem. I never > tried it personally though... That will work with shellac, but noy vinyl. A 45 has two problems when trying to flatten it. The first is the raised label area. This was part of the spec to minimize scuffing of the grooves, but it prevents the record from being pressed any flatter than the thickness of the raised area. The second is that unlike shellac, which bends when it warps, vinyl tends to stretch. This means that the surface area of the warped record is actually greater than the surface area of the pre-warped record. While you can sometimes heat the record and press out the worst of the warp, you will frequently trade one large warp for a ripple. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jul 6 11:38:55 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jul 6 11:40:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Selector Woes Message-ID: <282593.98900.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Same-- --- On Mon, 7/6/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Selector Woes To: "jukebox list" Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 10:11 AM Thank you for the responses everyone. One more question. I have an electrical selector in a Model R parts machine. Can I use this selector to test on the B Electronics? I know the jones plug is the same but is the wiring for the selections as well? Thanks again for the help Rick _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Mon Jul 6 11:32:43 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 6 11:41:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 In-Reply-To: <002d01c9fe5e$93bdf310$bb39d930$@force9.co.uk> References: <257058.28895.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002d01c9fe5e$93bdf310$bb39d930$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <8CBCC7F4936270D-1578-1564@Webmail-mg21.sim.aol.com> maybe 30 sec or so in the microwave, just don't overcook it!? then throw it in a book, and sit on it till it cools. Just an idea...ED -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Pugh To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:24 am Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 I have tried improving warped records in the past and unfortunately have had very little success. Some borderline ones may play ok on certain jukeboxes and not others. I think Seeburgs and upright players where the arm is tensioned on a spring tend to be slightly better. Be very careful though as the danger is to crush the groove itself, then the record is useless. I agree with David below, the groove protector as it is called, is raised in the middle so a 45 is not perfectly flat, and the material stretches and never goes back to its correct shape. For a happy ending I would be inclined to look for another copy of your record. Try Gemm.com and place it on a wants list if its not available. Or get someone to cut you a one off copy. In the long run that may be a better solution. Regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 06 July 2009 16:22 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 --- On Mon, 7/6/09, BSA wrote: > It seems to me I remember reading at > one time on one of the threads here > that sandwiching the record between two pieces of glass in > the sunshine for > awhile may be a solution for that sort of problem. I never > tried it personally though... That will work with shellac, but noy vinyl. A 45 has two problems when trying to flatten it. The first is the raised label area. This was part of the spec to minimize scuffing of the grooves, but it prevents the record from being pressed any flatter than the thickness of the raised area. The second is that unlike shellac, which bends when it warps, vinyl tends to stretch. This means that the surface area of the warped record is actually greater than the surface area of the pre-warped record. While you can sometimes heat the record and press out the worst of the warp, you will frequently trade one large warp for a ripple. _____________________________ __________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Mon Jul 6 11:49:15 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jul 6 11:50:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 In-Reply-To: <8CBCC7F4936270D-1578-1564@Webmail-mg21.sim.aol.com> References: <257058.28895.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002d01c9fe5e$93bdf310$bb39d930$@force9.co.uk> <8CBCC7F4936270D-1578-1564@Webmail-mg21.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A52472B.2090009@west.net> edbap@aol.com wrote: > maybe 30 sec or so in the microwave, just don't overcook it!? then throw it in a book, and sit on it till it cools. > Just an idea...ED Boy, I wouldn't risk this. Microwave ovens will have too many hot spots and uneven heating. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From bobfav at cox.net Mon Jul 6 12:29:24 2009 From: bobfav at cox.net (bobfav@cox.net) Date: Mon Jul 6 12:56:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 In-Reply-To: <20090706190003.22187AAF22@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <20090706152924.0MQDU.181697.imail@eastrmwml39> Message: 8 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:08:40 GMT From: "Aaron Heverin" Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 I think everyone would agree with me that "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" by John Denver is one that should be in every jukebox in the world! LOL! I was all set to scream "YYYYEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAA" at the top of my lungs when I saw the warp. I was ruined for the rest of the night. I don't want to bounce the tone-arm out of the G and into the F sitting next to it. Aaron Hey Aaron I have to chuckle at your post and have a good suggestion for you at the end. I spent almost 20 years looking for a 45 (Dedication Song - Freddy Canon) and would be upset to have it ruined. But John Denver? Cool enough song, but if I have a copy I will send it to you gratis. That has to be an easy one. Seriously, call Tom at Bop Shop records in Rochester, NY and see if he has a copy - almost sure he does, and he is fair with his prices. 585-271-3354 Tell him Bob from RI reccommended you. He is a great resource, but will only stay in business if people buy from him. great store, if you are ever in the area. Get another copy and then use the warped one for a frisbee! Bob From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Jul 6 13:38:32 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Mon Jul 6 13:33:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 Message-ID: <200907061638265.SM02808@[192.168.1.206]> I'm not too worried about roaching the record more than it is...and I know I can easily replace it. It's the principle of the thing. Here I was, being Mr. Smooth and Cool at the flea market. Making sure I didn't look to eager... not wanting to gush so that the vendor wouldn't say something stupid like "Well, according to the book, that record is $127.50. We've all done it...flipped through dozens of boxes of 45s stacked together so that they look like they were used as coasters or to prop up table legs. I was playing it cool, checking the condition of each of the records I was interested in while not looking like I knew what I was doing. So I got eager because this one J.D. record was in a sleeve. I just grabbed it and put it in the pile. Never looked at it. It wasn't until after I got home and tried to play it that I found the "DOH!!!!" Um... the Peter Frampton records were OK though. Oh well. This takes me back to when I was a kid. I used to draw on 45s with a crayon or poster paint, and then I'd take my mother's sewing needles to the record to make NEW and EXCITING variations on the cut-off groove. Then I'd play these works of art at 16 rpm and crank up the stereo to listen to the noise that came out of the speakers...all the while I was chiseling down the needle and blowing out my father's speakers. Did I ever tell you about the time I used a utility knife as a needle? Good times... good times. Aaron From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Jul 6 13:32:11 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Mon Jul 6 13:33:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 In-Reply-To: <20090706152924.0MQDU.181697.imail@eastrmwml39> References: <20090706190003.22187AAF22@lists.netlojix.com> <20090706152924.0MQDU.181697.imail@eastrmwml39> Message-ID: <005801c9fe78$d7015850$850408f0$@force9.co.uk> Here you go:- http://www1.gemm.com/c/search.pl?field=GEMM+SEARCH&wild=Thank+god+Im+a+country+boy&picklang=%2Findex.cgi%3Flang%3DEN%26clickflag%3D1%26 $2.50 from Gemm.com Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of bobfav@cox.net Sent: 06 July 2009 20:29 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: jukebox-list-request@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 Message: 8 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:08:40 GMT From: "Aaron Heverin" Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 I think everyone would agree with me that "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" by John Denver is one that should be in every jukebox in the world! LOL! I was all set to scream "YYYYEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAA" at the top of my lungs when I saw the warp. I was ruined for the rest of the night. I don't want to bounce the tone-arm out of the G and into the F sitting next to it. Aaron Hey Aaron I have to chuckle at your post and have a good suggestion for you at the end. I spent almost 20 years looking for a 45 (Dedication Song - Freddy Canon) and would be upset to have it ruined. But John Denver? Cool enough song, but if I have a copy I will send it to you gratis. That has to be an easy one. Seriously, call Tom at Bop Shop records in Rochester, NY and see if he has a copy - almost sure he does, and he is fair with his prices. 585-271-3354 Tell him Bob from RI reccommended you. He is a great resource, but will only stay in business if people buy from him. great store, if you are ever in the area. Get another copy and then use the warped one for a frisbee! Bob _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From steve at pro-ns.net Mon Jul 6 13:59:46 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Mon Jul 6 14:01:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 In-Reply-To: <4A52472B.2090009@west.net> References: <257058.28895.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002d01c9fe5e$93bdf310$bb39d930$@force9.co.uk> <8CBCC7F4936270D-1578-1564@Webmail-mg21.sim.aol.com> <4A52472B.2090009@west.net> Message-ID: <20090706205946.GO10588@pro-ns.net> On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 11:49:15AM -0700, Jay Hennigan wrote: > edbap@aol.com wrote: >> maybe 30 sec or so in the microwave, just don't overcook it!? then throw it in a book, and sit on it till it cools. >> Just an idea...ED > > Boy, I wouldn't risk this. Microwave ovens will have too many hot spots > and uneven heating. And they heat mostly by "exciting" the water molecules in the food to be warmed, if I remember correctly. So how it would heat vinyl is unknown, and the microwave may act as if it is empty. I once read of using a cookie sheet and low heat in a regular oven, but they said you only had a so-so chance of fixing one side, and you were likely to melt out the groove on the bottom side. I might try this on something I already had that was warped, as a last ditch effort before it hits the trashcan or gets screwed to the wall as a decoration; I wouldn't pay to buy a record and then try to rescue it this way! --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Q: It reverses the logical flow of conversation. A: Why is top posting frowned upon? From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 6 14:43:24 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Mon Jul 6 14:45:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 Message-ID: <118005.60799.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I tried between pieces of glass -- top one weighted on the edges -- in the sun once.? It got flatter, but didn't play. TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools From mmarsh16 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 6 15:21:32 2009 From: mmarsh16 at hotmail.com (Mike Marsh) Date: Mon Jul 6 15:23:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 In-Reply-To: <118005.60799.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <118005.60799.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are companies that "warp" 45's and LP's into 'bowls'. My wife's friend sent me two such 'bowls' that happened to be an early Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention, and an original 45 of "Pinball Wizard" by The Who! I damn near cried when I saw them. Mike > Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:43:24 -0700 > From: tjmertz@sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > I tried between pieces of glass -- top one weighted on the edges -- in the sun once. It got flatter, but didn't play. > > TJ > > Thomas J. Mertz > Department of History > Edgewood College > tjmertz@sbcglobal.net > Advocating on Madison Public Schools > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 From edbap at aol.com Mon Jul 6 16:21:24 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 6 16:23:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 In-Reply-To: References: <118005.60799.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBCCA79D595B1A-1E98-1BB4@WEBMAIL-DZ25.sysops.aol.com> I'd like to learn how to do that!? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Marsh To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2009 3:21 pm Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 here are companies that "warp" 45's and LP's into 'bowls'. My wife's friend ent me two such 'bowls' that happened to be an early Frank Zappa and the others of Invention, and an original 45 of "Pinball Wizard" by The Who! I damn ear cried when I saw them. Mike Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:43:24 -0700 From: tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com I tried between pieces of glass -- top one weighted on the edges -- in the sun nce. It got flatter, but didn't play. TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on Madison Public Schools _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ auren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. ttp://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290_______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobfav at cox.net Mon Jul 6 17:51:03 2009 From: bobfav at cox.net (Bob Fav) Date: Mon Jul 6 17:49:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:08:40 GMT From: "Aaron Heverin" Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 I think everyone would agree with me that "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" by John Denver is one that should be in every jukebox in the world! LOL! I was all set to scream "YYYYEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAA" at the top of my lungs when I saw the warp. I was ruined for the rest of the night. I don't want to bounce the tone-arm out of the G and into the F sitting next to it. Aaron Hey Aaron I have to chuckle at your post and have a good suggestion for you at the end. I spent almost 20 years looking for a 45 (Dedication Song - Freddy Canon) and would be upset to have it ruined. But John Denver? Cool enough song, but if I have a copy I will send it to you gratis. That has to be an easy one. Seriously, call Tom at Bop Shop records in Rochester, NY and see if he has a copy - almost sure he does, and he is fair with his prices. 585-271-3354 Tell him Bob from RI reccommended you. He is a great resource, but will only stay in business if people buy from him. great store, if you are ever in the area. Get a From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jul 6 18:42:10 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jul 6 18:49:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just popping in. In-Reply-To: <20090706190003.59D2BAAF23@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090706190003.59D2BAAF23@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Hello everyone! Just popping in to say hello. I find myself with little time for jukes, or to scan and reply to the list these days as I'm just busy. Busy, busy, busy. My online VW forum gets 100 -160 posts per day and it's all I can do to keep up with that alone. I hate not being on here, but I can only take on so much. Work also keeps me busy and I'm thankful to be employed in this economy. I'm blowing off something else I'm supposed to be doing right now, but darn it, I miss it here and I'm gonna get this post written! THAT all said, I do have some jukebox stuff going on this month all of the sudden, so definitely thought it was worth an update here. My Rock Ola 474 (Sybaris, 1978) that was on location is getting a fresh coat of paint and being sold. Although it works great, it was never dependable in the coin (jams)/crediting (ROs first electronic credit unit is known faulty) departments and is best suited for home use. I've got a super good offer on it ($650) and am taking it while the getting is good. It has a Rock-Ola Charlie amp rebuild in it that I'll miss. I have another working amp I may put in and keep the Charlie amp. It has his labels on it and I can't imagine parting with it. The 474 paid my motorcycle parking for my work commute for 2.5 years ($2 a day) plus this last six fifty, so I have no complaints. I bought a Rock Ola 1442 Junior Hi-Fi (50 selections). It's in Florida safely at my friend's place and all there. Worked for the lady for years, then just stopped, so probably an easy fix, and the $150 price tag was unbeatable. Only 1500 made. it came up on his local Craigslist and just seemed too good to pass up, even if I have to ship it here. My AMI G-120 ('55) that is in a used record shop needs to be moved as they had a water heater disaster upstairs and the place needs to be half cleared out for major repairs. No damage to the jukebox, thankfully. I have found a 1950s diner that's begging for it, so it's going back into revenue service for the first time in probably 40 years. I'm a little leery about putting it out, but I don't have the room to store it and don't want to sell it if at all possible. This diner is very popular and all they have is a radio on the counter the owner is itching to get rid of, so it'll be the only source of entertainment. Before that, it's coming home for a week to have the contacts cleaned and be put through the paces. It's been on static display for maybe 2 years, only being fired up every few months by me. Seeburg AY160 that I've been sitting on for 2+ years is going on stage as a prop for a couple weeks. That'll get it out of storage and into my garage and hopefully under repair once it's done being a star. Next up, AMI JAL-200 I've also been sitting on will get finished. Just need to get it put back together. I hope you've all been well. I'll try to check back in over the next couple days. I'm officially late getting out, but it's good to be posting. My warmest wishes to all my old pals here. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From kentteffeteller at hotmail.com Mon Jul 6 19:12:26 2009 From: kentteffeteller at hotmail.com (Kent Teffeteller) Date: Mon Jul 6 19:22:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Fixing a bad warp in a 45! In-Reply-To: <20090706190003.59D2BAAF23@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090706190003.59D2BAAF23@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Hi, If the advice given you doesn't cure it, I'll see if I can get you a clean replacement example. I see quite a number of minty John Denver 45 singles in my travels! Kent Teffeteller, Ph.D, M.S., CSBE, CNT, CBT, MCSE! _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Mon Jul 6 19:27:14 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Mon Jul 6 19:28:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just popping in. Message-ID: <295843.18751.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I love those AMI Model G's.. the sound is unreal.. Electrovoice was part and parcel responsible for that! Don't you dare get ride of that excellent machine.. Sell that AMI rowe Jal.. / Jel.. good sound but not reliable.. Rowe killed AMI.. still a sore spot with me.. ? Regards, Tony --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just popping in. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Monday, July 6, 2009, 9:42 PM Hello everyone! Just popping in to say hello. I find myself with little time for jukes, or to scan and reply to the list these days as I'm just busy. Busy, busy, busy.? My online VW forum gets 100 -160 posts per day and it's all I can do to keep up with that alone.? I hate not being on here, but I can only take on so much.? Work also keeps me busy and I'm thankful to be employed in this economy. I'm blowing off something else I'm supposed to be doing right now, but darn it, I miss it here and I'm gonna get this post written! THAT all said, I do have some jukebox stuff going on this month all of the sudden, so definitely thought it was worth an update here. My Rock Ola 474 (Sybaris, 1978) that was on location is getting a fresh coat of paint and being sold. Although it works great, it was never dependable in the coin (jams)/crediting (ROs first electronic credit unit is known faulty) departments and is best suited for home use.? I've got a super good offer on it ($650) and am taking it while the getting is good. It has a Rock-Ola Charlie amp rebuild in it that I'll miss. I have another working amp I may put in and keep the Charlie amp. It has his labels on it and I can't imagine parting with it. The 474 paid my motorcycle parking for my work commute for 2.5 years ($2 a day) plus this last six fifty, so I have no complaints. I bought a Rock Ola 1442 Junior Hi-Fi (50 selections).? It's in Florida safely at my friend's place and all there.? Worked for the lady for years, then just stopped, so probably an easy fix, and the $150 price tag was unbeatable. Only 1500 made.? it came up on his local Craigslist and just seemed too good to pass up, even if I have to ship it here. My AMI G-120 ('55) that is in a used record shop needs to be moved as they had a water heater disaster upstairs and the place needs to be half cleared out for major repairs.? No damage to the jukebox, thankfully. I have found a 1950s diner that's begging for it, so it's going back into revenue service for the first time in probably 40 years.? I'm a little leery about putting it out, but I don't have the room to store it and don't want to sell it if at all possible.? This diner is very popular and all they have is a radio on the counter the owner is itching to get rid of, so it'll be the only source of entertainment. Before that, it's coming home for a week to have the contacts cleaned and be put through the paces. It's been on static display for maybe 2 years, only being fired up every few months by me. Seeburg AY160 that I've been sitting on for 2+ years is going on stage as a prop for a couple weeks.? That'll get it out of storage and into my garage and hopefully under repair once it's done being a star. Next up, AMI JAL-200 I've also been sitting on will get finished. Just need to get it put back together. I hope you've all been well. I'll try to check back in over the next couple days. I'm officially late getting out, but it's good to be posting. My warmest wishes to all my old pals here. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Jul 6 19:59:22 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Jul 6 20:00:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 Message-ID: <87649.33509.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 7/6/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: > maybe 30 sec or so in the microwave, > just don't overcook it!? then throw it in a book, and sit on > it till it cools. > Just an idea...ED What research do you base this recommendation on? From dppe at inebraska.com Mon Jul 6 20:16:48 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Mon Jul 6 20:18:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where do you find 1950's Wurlitzer cabinet parts? Message-ID: <3791edb11d7ce2222fd348dce04c96e3@inebraska.com> Looking for a bottom back door panel for a Wurlitzer 2304. Not sure what other models have this same bottom rectangular piece? Anybody else besides Durfee,, Jukebox Junkyard, Bill Butterfield, Victory Glass? Anybody out there deal mainly in Wurlitzer parts that might have this item? Thanks! for your help in advance. Dana From jay at west.net Mon Jul 6 20:31:26 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jul 6 20:33:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where do you find 1950's Wurlitzer cabinet parts? In-Reply-To: <3791edb11d7ce2222fd348dce04c96e3@inebraska.com> References: <3791edb11d7ce2222fd348dce04c96e3@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <4A52C18E.6000104@west.net> Dana wrote: > Looking for a bottom back door panel for a Wurlitzer 2304. Not sure > what other models have this same bottom rectangular piece? Anybody else > besides Durfee,, Jukebox Junkyard, Bill Butterfield, Victory Glass? > Anybody out there deal mainly in Wurlitzer parts that might have this > item? Thanks! for your help in advance. Dana Is this a plywood part or metal? If wood like on the 1900 you are probably better off making one (or have someone good at woodworking do so if you don't have the tools/skills). A table saw, saber saw, and a router (the Dewalt kind, not Cisco) should do the trick. If metal, I'm looking for both doors from a Wurlitzer 3000. No idea why these are so often missing, but they are. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Trollmasters at webtv.net Mon Jul 6 20:49:35 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Mon Jul 6 20:51:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 In-Reply-To: "James Alexander" 's message of Mon, 6 Jul 2009 17:18:55 GMT Message-ID: <4238-4A52C5CF-3198@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Good idea Jim , the sound I have now is very acceptible , so Im inclined to leave well enough alone for now. But if Im in there messing around again for any reason , I will try switching the 6SN7's. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From edinman at earthlink.net Mon Jul 6 19:52:03 2009 From: edinman at earthlink.net (Ed Inman) Date: Mon Jul 6 20:53:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Fixing a bad warp in a 45! Message-ID: <19240945.1246935123600.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Heating vinyl will expand it--so generally speaking you are going to just warp the record more by doing so. That said, if the warp is just, for example, on a very small corner on the outer rim of the record, you might flatten it enough to play through carefully targeted heating. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jul 6 21:19:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jul 6 21:21:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Fixing a bad warp in a 45! Message-ID: <506789.82987.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Idea--may be just wishful thinking--a bit of "dry ice" on the warp, might shrink it ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Ed Inman wrote: From: Ed Inman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Fixing a bad warp in a 45! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 7:52 PM Heating vinyl will expand it--so generally speaking you are going to just warp the record more by doing so. That said, if the warp is just, for example, on a very small corner on the outer rim of the record, you might flatten it enough to play through carefully targeted heating. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Mon Jul 6 22:16:55 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Jul 6 22:18:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: <295843.18751.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <295843.18751.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tony, and others recentltly talking about the great sound of AMI G's and similar early AMI's, Can you guys put this in perspective for me please? I've never heard one of these jukeboxes but I keep hearing about them. I'm somewhat of an uneducated audiophile. In other words, I'm way better than most people about enjoying sound quality but I can pick it apart, not always put in to words what I don't like about it, much less explain it. My main question is this: Did those AMI's just sound better than others of the period, or are you saying they have a sound still not replicated today? And please, I'm not trying to dredge up the digital vs analog arguement, or the tube vs transistor arguement. All I'm asking, is if I am missing out on something because I have not heard one of those jukeboxes, or is the discussion about them more relative to the time they were produced? Thanks for any insight, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just popping in. I love those AMI Model G's.. the sound is unreal.. Electrovoice was part and parcel responsible for that! Don't you dare get ride of that excellent machine.. Sell that AMI rowe Jal.. / Jel.. good sound but not reliable.. Rowe killed AMI.. still a sore spot with me.. Regards, Tony --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just popping in. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Monday, July 6, 2009, 9:42 PM Hello everyone! Just popping in to say hello. I find myself with little time for jukes, or to scan and reply to the list these days as I'm just busy. Busy, busy, busy. My online VW forum gets 100 -160 posts per day and it's all I can do to keep up with that alone. I hate not being on here, but I can only take on so much. Work also keeps me busy and I'm thankful to be employed in this economy. I'm blowing off something else I'm supposed to be doing right now, but darn it, I miss it here and I'm gonna get this post written! THAT all said, I do have some jukebox stuff going on this month all of the sudden, so definitely thought it was worth an update here. My Rock Ola 474 (Sybaris, 1978) that was on location is getting a fresh coat of paint and being sold. Although it works great, it was never dependable in the coin (jams)/crediting (ROs first electronic credit unit is known faulty) departments and is best suited for home use. I've got a super good offer on it ($650) and am taking it while the getting is good. It has a Rock-Ola Charlie amp rebuild in it that I'll miss. I have another working amp I may put in and keep the Charlie amp. It has his labels on it and I can't imagine parting with it. The 474 paid my motorcycle parking for my work commute for 2.5 years ($2 a day) plus this last six fifty, so I have no complaints. I bought a Rock Ola 1442 Junior Hi-Fi (50 selections). It's in Florida safely at my friend's place and all there. Worked for the lady for years, then just stopped, so probably an easy fix, and the $150 price tag was unbeatable. Only 1500 made. it came up on his local Craigslist and just seemed too good to pass up, even if I have to ship it here. My AMI G-120 ('55) that is in a used record shop needs to be moved as they had a water heater disaster upstairs and the place needs to be half cleared out for major repairs. No damage to the jukebox, thankfully. I have found a 1950s diner that's begging for it, so it's going back into revenue service for the first time in probably 40 years. I'm a little leery about putting it out, but I don't have the room to store it and don't want to sell it if at all possible. This diner is very popular and all they have is a radio on the counter the owner is itching to get rid of, so it'll be the only source of entertainment. Before that, it's coming home for a week to have the contacts cleaned and be put through the paces. It's been on static display for maybe 2 years, only being fired up every few months by me. Seeburg AY160 that I've been sitting on for 2+ years is going on stage as a prop for a couple weeks. That'll get it out of storage and into my garage and hopefully under repair once it's done being a star. Next up, AMI JAL-200 I've also been sitting on will get finished. Just need to get it put back together. I hope you've all been well. I'll try to check back in over the next couple days. I'm officially late getting out, but it's good to be posting. My warmest wishes to all my old pals here. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 6 22:28:14 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Mon Jul 6 22:29:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: References: <295843.18751.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2537492B285F48BAA1D4E4EFF1BDE8AC@WilliamHPLap> Karl, With all dear respect. The words jukebox and audiophile should not be used in the same paragraph. They probably shouldn't even be used in the same email. That being said, I happen to be an audiophile who own jukeboxes. ;) William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:16 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's > Tony, and others recentltly talking about the great sound of AMI G's and > similar early AMI's, > > Can you guys put this in perspective for me please? I've never heard one > of these jukeboxes but I keep hearing about them. I'm somewhat of an > uneducated audiophile. In other words, I'm way better than most people > about enjoying sound quality but I can pick it apart, not always put in to > words what I don't like about it, much less explain it. > > My main question is this: Did those AMI's just sound better than others of > the period, or are you saying they have a sound still not replicated > today? And please, I'm not trying to dredge up the digital vs analog > arguement, or the tube vs transistor arguement. > > All I'm asking, is if I am missing out on something because I have not > heard one of those jukeboxes, or is the discussion about them more > relative to the time they were produced? Thanks for any insight, > > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. > STE 18 > www.columbuscoinopshop.com > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lala Blah Blah" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just popping in. > > > I love those AMI Model G's.. the sound is unreal.. Electrovoice was part > and parcel responsible for that! Don't you dare get ride of that excellent > machine.. Sell that AMI rowe Jal.. / Jel.. good sound but not reliable.. > Rowe killed AMI.. still a sore spot with me.. > > Regards, Tony > > --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Mechanical Music of S.F. > wrote: > > > From: Mechanical Music of S.F. > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just popping in. > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Received: Monday, July 6, 2009, 9:42 PM > > > > Hello everyone! > Just popping in to say hello. > > I find myself with little time for jukes, or to scan and reply to the list > these days as I'm just busy. Busy, busy, busy. My online VW forum gets > 100 -160 posts per day and it's all I can do to keep up with that alone. I > hate not being on here, but I can only take on so much. Work also keeps me > busy and I'm thankful to be employed in this economy. > I'm blowing off something else I'm supposed to be doing right now, but > darn it, I miss it here and I'm gonna get this post written! > > THAT all said, I do have some jukebox stuff going on this month all of the > sudden, so definitely thought it was worth an update here. > > My Rock Ola 474 (Sybaris, 1978) that was on location is getting a fresh > coat of paint and being sold. Although it works great, it was never > dependable in the coin (jams)/crediting (ROs first electronic credit unit > is known faulty) departments and is best suited for home use. I've got a > super good offer on it ($650) and am taking it while the getting is good. > It has a Rock-Ola Charlie amp rebuild in it that I'll miss. I have another > working amp I may put in and keep the Charlie amp. It has his labels on it > and I can't imagine parting with it. > The 474 paid my motorcycle parking for my work commute for 2.5 years ($2 a > day) plus this last six fifty, so I have no complaints. > > I bought a Rock Ola 1442 Junior > Hi-Fi (50 selections). It's in Florida safely at my friend's place and all > there. Worked for the lady for years, then just stopped, so probably an > easy fix, and the $150 price tag was unbeatable. Only 1500 made. it came > up on his local Craigslist and just seemed too good to pass up, even if I > have to ship it here. > > My AMI G-120 ('55) that is in a used record shop needs to be moved as they > had a water heater disaster upstairs and the place needs to be half > cleared out for major repairs. No damage to the jukebox, thankfully. I > have found a 1950s diner that's begging for it, so it's going back into > revenue service for the first time in probably 40 years. I'm a little > leery about putting it out, but I don't have the room to store it and > don't want to sell it if at all possible. This diner is very popular and > all they have is a radio on the counter the owner is itching to get rid > of, so it'll be the only source of entertainment. > Before that, it's coming home for a week to have the contacts cleaned and > be put through the paces. It's been on static display for maybe 2 years, > only being fired up every few months by me. > > Seeburg AY160 that I've been sitting on for 2+ years is going on stage as > a prop for a couple weeks. That'll get it out of storage and into my > garage and hopefully under repair once it's done being a star. > > Next up, AMI JAL-200 I've also been sitting on will get finished. Just > need to get it put back together. > > I hope you've all been well. I'll try to check back in over the next > couple days. > I'm officially late getting out, but it's good to be posting. > My warmest wishes to all my old pals here. > > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Mon Jul 6 23:52:18 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Jul 6 23:53:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: <2537492B285F48BAA1D4E4EFF1BDE8AC@WilliamHPLap> References: <295843.18751.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <2537492B285F48BAA1D4E4EFF1BDE8AC@WilliamHPLap> Message-ID: <1F270B9F884C46E2AFC54F74E9EB1A7D@CCOSPC> Thanks William, That makes sense. However, you should hear some of the systems I have customized for some of my customers here, with a jukebox at the core. Your point is well taken though. Thanks, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hill" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's > Karl, > > With all dear respect. The words jukebox and audiophile should not be used > in the same paragraph. They probably shouldn't even be used in the same > email. > > That being said, I happen to be an audiophile who own jukeboxes. ;) > > > William Hill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CCOS" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:16 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's > > >> Tony, and others recentltly talking about the great sound of AMI G's and >> similar early AMI's, >> >> Can you guys put this in perspective for me please? I've never heard one >> of these jukeboxes but I keep hearing about them. I'm somewhat of an >> uneducated audiophile. In other words, I'm way better than most people >> about enjoying sound quality but I can pick it apart, not always put in >> to words what I don't like about it, much less explain it. >> >> My main question is this: Did those AMI's just sound better than others >> of the period, or are you saying they have a sound still not replicated >> today? And please, I'm not trying to dredge up the digital vs analog >> arguement, or the tube vs transistor arguement. >> >> All I'm asking, is if I am missing out on something because I have not >> heard one of those jukeboxes, or is the discussion about them more >> relative to the time they were produced? Thanks for any insight, >> >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. >> STE 18 >> www.columbuscoinopshop.com >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706)507-2963 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lala Blah Blah" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just popping in. >> >> >> I love those AMI Model G's.. the sound is unreal.. Electrovoice was part >> and parcel responsible for that! Don't you dare get ride of that >> excellent machine.. Sell that AMI rowe Jal.. / Jel.. good sound but not >> reliable.. Rowe killed AMI.. still a sore spot with me.. >> >> Regards, Tony >> >> --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Mechanical Music of S.F. >> wrote: >> >> >> From: Mechanical Music of S.F. >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just popping in. >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Received: Monday, July 6, 2009, 9:42 PM >> >> >> >> Hello everyone! >> Just popping in to say hello. >> >> I find myself with little time for jukes, or to scan and reply to the >> list these days as I'm just busy. Busy, busy, busy. My online VW forum >> gets 100 -160 posts per day and it's all I can do to keep up with that >> alone. I hate not being on here, but I can only take on so much. Work >> also keeps me busy and I'm thankful to be employed in this economy. >> I'm blowing off something else I'm supposed to be doing right now, but >> darn it, I miss it here and I'm gonna get this post written! >> >> THAT all said, I do have some jukebox stuff going on this month all of >> the sudden, so definitely thought it was worth an update here. >> >> My Rock Ola 474 (Sybaris, 1978) that was on location is getting a fresh >> coat of paint and being sold. Although it works great, it was never >> dependable in the coin (jams)/crediting (ROs first electronic credit unit >> is known faulty) departments and is best suited for home use. I've got a >> super good offer on it ($650) and am taking it while the getting is good. >> It has a Rock-Ola Charlie amp rebuild in it that I'll miss. I have >> another working amp I may put in and keep the Charlie amp. It has his >> labels on it and I can't imagine parting with it. >> The 474 paid my motorcycle parking for my work commute for 2.5 years ($2 >> a day) plus this last six fifty, so I have no complaints. >> >> I bought a Rock Ola 1442 Junior >> Hi-Fi (50 selections). It's in Florida safely at my friend's place and >> all there. Worked for the lady for years, then just stopped, so probably >> an easy fix, and the $150 price tag was unbeatable. Only 1500 made. it >> came up on his local Craigslist and just seemed too good to pass up, even >> if I have to ship it here. >> >> My AMI G-120 ('55) that is in a used record shop needs to be moved as >> they had a water heater disaster upstairs and the place needs to be half >> cleared out for major repairs. No damage to the jukebox, thankfully. I >> have found a 1950s diner that's begging for it, so it's going back into >> revenue service for the first time in probably 40 years. I'm a little >> leery about putting it out, but I don't have the room to store it and >> don't want to sell it if at all possible. This diner is very popular and >> all they have is a radio on the counter the owner is itching to get rid >> of, so it'll be the only source of entertainment. >> Before that, it's coming home for a week to have the contacts cleaned and >> be put through the paces. It's been on static display for maybe 2 years, >> only being fired up every few months by me. >> >> Seeburg AY160 that I've been sitting on for 2+ years is going on stage as >> a prop for a couple weeks. That'll get it out of storage and into my >> garage and hopefully under repair once it's done being a star. >> >> Next up, AMI JAL-200 I've also been sitting on will get finished. Just >> need to get it put back together. >> >> I hope you've all been well. I'll try to check back in over the next >> couple days. >> I'm officially late getting out, but it's good to be posting. >> My warmest wishes to all my old pals here. >> >> >> Kyle ~ >> Mechanical Music of San Francisco >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. >> http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________________________ >> Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! >> >> http://www.flickr.com/gift/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Jul 7 04:44:36 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Jul 7 04:46:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just popping in. In-Reply-To: References: <20090706190003.59D2BAAF23@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <20090707114220.M2240@dwave.net> Great to hear from you Kyle! I am glad you are keeping busy with things that you enjoy. Jeremy Agema On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:42:10 -0700, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote > Hello everyone! > Just popping in to say hello. > > I find myself with little time for jukes, or to scan and reply to > the list these days as I'm just busy. Busy, busy, busy. My online > VW forum gets 100 -160 posts per day and it's all I can do to keep > up with that alone. I hate not being on here, but I can only take > on so much. Work also keeps me busy and I'm thankful to be employed > in this economy. I'm blowing off something else I'm supposed to be > doing right now, but darn it, I miss it here and I'm gonna get this > post written! > > THAT all said, I do have some jukebox stuff going on this month all > of the sudden, so definitely thought it was worth an update here. > > My Rock Ola 474 (Sybaris, 1978) that was on location is getting a > fresh coat of paint and being sold. Although it works great, it was > never dependable in the coin (jams)/crediting (ROs first electronic > credit unit is known faulty) departments and is best suited for home > use. I've got a super good offer on it ($650) and am taking it > while the getting is good. It has a Rock-Ola Charlie amp rebuild in > it that I'll miss. I have another working amp I may put in and keep > the Charlie amp. It has his labels on it and I can't imagine parting > with it. The 474 paid my motorcycle parking for my work commute for > 2.5 years ($2 a day) plus this last six fifty, so I have no > complaints. > > I bought a Rock Ola 1442 Junior > Hi-Fi (50 selections). It's in Florida safely at my friend's place > and all there. Worked for the lady for years, then just stopped, so > probably an easy fix, and the $150 price tag was unbeatable. Only > 1500 made. it came up on his local Craigslist and just seemed too > good to pass up, even if I have to ship it here. > > My AMI G-120 ('55) that is in a used record shop needs to be moved > as they had a water heater disaster upstairs and the place needs to > be half cleared out for major repairs. No damage to the jukebox, > thankfully. I have found a 1950s diner that's begging for it, so > it's going back into revenue service for the first time in probably > 40 years. I'm a little leery about putting it out, but I don't have > the room to store it and don't want to sell it if at all possible. > This diner is very popular and all they have is a radio on the > counter the owner is itching to get rid of, so it'll be the only > source of entertainment. Before that, it's coming home for a week to > have the contacts cleaned and be put through the paces. It's been on > static display for maybe 2 years, only being fired up every few > months by me. > > Seeburg AY160 that I've been sitting on for 2+ years is going on > stage as a prop for a couple weeks. That'll get it out of storage > and into my garage and hopefully under repair once it's done being a > star. > > Next up, AMI JAL-200 I've also been sitting on will get finished. > Just need to get it put back together. > > I hope you've all been well. I'll try to check back in over the next > couple days. I'm officially late getting out, but it's good to be posting. > My warmest wishes to all my old pals here. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > _________________________________________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009________________________________ _______________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jul 7 08:23:58 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jul 7 08:25:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <412011.8507.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 7/6/09, CCOS wrote: > Tony, and others recentltly talking > about the great sound of AMI G's and similar early AMI's, When I saw the subject line, I thought this was going to be a discussion of pre-WWII models like the Streamliner, none of which I've ever seen in person. AMI was one of the first major jukebox companies, putting out their first machines (with the same basic record changer that carried them into the 1950s) in the 1920s. So I'm not sure that 1956, the year the G series was introduced, would qualify as "early", but... > My main question is this: Did those AMI's just sound better > than others of the period, or are you saying they have a > sound still not replicated today? They definitely sounded better than their contemporaries (at least any that I've heard), and they definitely sound better than an iPod (but that's not hard to do), and I'd say that they sound better than any juke box I've personally listened to, but whether they are the best sounding juke box ever is a survey that encompasses such a great sample population that it may be practically unanswerable. The thing about the F and G machines (and especially the G-200) is that the whole cabinet is a speaker assembly. On the 200, the bass speaker drivers are at the top, and fire downwards through a horn that runs the length of the cabinet to bounce off the floor under the machine. The treble horn is, of course, mounted on the top. Although this provides very strident sound near the machine, once you get away from it, it produces a very crisp and distinct upper and midrange soundfield that sounds closer than the machine really is. I got a chance to put mine through its paces this July Fourth for the first time since the amp was rebuilt (I'll have a related post later today) and it filled my yard with great sounding music without being too loud to cary on a conversation (although it can put out a *lot* of sound when you want it to). It was 100' away in the open door of the garage and could be heard all over the yard very clearly and distinctly. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jul 7 08:50:14 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jul 7 08:53:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 Message-ID: <20090707.115014.1877.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Hello James: I'm glad that you are able to make your sound sytem perform to your satisfaction. The Cobra cartridge system you were faulting generally works well when playing either original or repro 78 RPM discs. For later model 45 RPM record machines, there are modern substitution choices that can be made that will yield both improved sound quality, less record/stylus wear and ready availability of replacement stylii. Unfortunately there aren't many stylus manufacturers building these anymore. Most vendors are still selling new old stock. The quality control process of the 80's-90's US made cobra cartridges leaves a lot to be desired. Out of 5 new cartridges, typically 1 will be non-working, and you will get a different sound "character" out of 2 of them---no consistency. The best source for replacement cobra cartridges that I've found lately comes from a European manufacturer (name unknown) that apparently makes these in small production runs. All their cobras normally have a red/green cartridge body (regardless of the stylus type) and carry a higher (compared to others) price tag. Their quality is worth the cost. These stylii are being sold by www.needles4jukeboxes.com and possibly other sources. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Be there without being there. Click now for great video conferencing solutions! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRKtU2K6cChTfOQ9qk3Yv6ZEN6fQhodsVHpmlY6A7ihYGrBAipg9i/ From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Jul 7 09:02:33 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Jul 7 08:57:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <200907071202122.SM02808@[192.168.1.206]> We've discussed this before many times. But take what David said about the F and the G series, and make a somewhat easy modification to the tone-arm so that it holds a Pickering NP/AC or Shure M44 cartridge rather than the factory standard GE VR-II. Swap out a tube in the amp... what was it Jay, the 12AX7? to boost up the input to the amp from the cartridge... then prepare for a shock. You would never in a million years think that a 25 watt amplifier from 1954 (rebuilt, of course), and a bulky cabinet filled with glass would actually have enough punch to knock glasses off a shelf in a china cabinet. But guess what... I was playing "Rockin' at Midnight" by the Honeydrippers the other night. Next thing I knew, CRASH! The china cabinet is a in another room. The bass from the G-120 was so intense that it was making the cabinet vibrate. Oh...having the G or an F on a hardwood floor helps too. But for anyone who's every thought of making this modification and hesitated... DON'T. Do it now and be amazed. In fact go out and buy two of these models and bi-amp them. I'm actually working on this in my spare time. My F and G are next to each other - perfect left and right channel configuration. I'm going to try and come up with a pre-amp system so that I can drive both amps as a left/right combination. It's entirely possible. I just haven't figured out the electronics for it yet. So basically, you'd have this: Both juke's tone arms feed into the pre-amp... each one selected by a switch. If the F is selected, the sound from its tone arm goes into the pre-amp. The pre-amp then sends the output to the F as the left channel and the G as the right channel. I have to figure out a way to unmute the other amp. If all goes well, the plaster in my living room will start to disintegrate. Aaron From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jul 7 09:15:33 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jul 7 09:18:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 Message-ID: <20090707.121533.1877.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: On a few occasions, I tried the cookie sheets in a warm oven idea that you brought up here. Tried to use this for both 12" LP's and 45's. Most times this didn't work out, it just damaged the disc further. Maybe it's all in the technique you use, but I think you'd be better off putting your effort to finding another copy of the record. Here's an on-line retailer I know that stocks both original and repro 45's and has a big stock at good prices. www.beverlyrecords.com. Jim Alexander Jim Alexander Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYW3CQIqwylOwWAA9XbAAQsJpQsgWMPQqIsXMreAxsVCu47SCspYBq/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 7 09:33:45 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 7 09:35:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <103898.58887.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Aaron, Question--Since the new carts. are stereo, why don't you re-wire the tone arms, get two pre-amps, and have a total stereo set-up??? Just an idea --- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 9:02 AM We've discussed this before many times. But take what David said about the F and the G series, and make a somewhat easy modification to the tone-arm so that it holds a Pickering NP/AC or Shure M44 cartridge rather than the factory standard GE VR-II. Swap out a tube in the amp... what was it Jay, the 12AX7? to boost up the input to the amp from the cartridge... then prepare for a shock. You would never in a million years think that a 25 watt amplifier from 1954 (rebuilt, of course), and a bulky cabinet filled with glass would actually have enough punch to knock glasses off a shelf in a china cabinet. But guess what... I was playing "Rockin' at Midnight" by the Honeydrippers the other night. Next thing I knew, CRASH! The china cabinet is a in another room. The bass from the G-120 was so intense that it was making the cabinet vibrate. Oh...having the G or an F on a hardwood floor helps too. But for anyone who's every thought of making this modification and hesitated... DON'T. Do it now and be amazed. In fact go out and buy two of these models and bi-amp them. I'm actually working on this in my spare time. My F and G are next to each other - perfect left and right channel configuration. I'm going to try and come up with a pre-amp system so that I can drive both amps as a left/right combination. It's entirely possible. I just haven't figured out the electronics for it yet. So basically, you'd have this: Both juke's tone arms feed into the pre-amp... each one selected by a switch. If the F is selected, the sound from its tone arm goes into the pre-amp. The pre-amp then sends the output to the F as the left channel and the G as the right channel. I have to figure out a way to unmute the other amp. If all goes well, the plaster in my living room will start to disintegrate. Aaron -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Jul 7 10:07:24 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Jul 7 10:02:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <200907071307221.SM02808@[192.168.1.206]> Ron, The single pre-amp would be wired for stereo and have a single volume pot to control both amps... not to mention bass, treble, or mid levels... but I'd also like to build in a pre-out so I can feed the 1200 watt powered subwoofer I have just for kicks. What really got me into investigating this was a high-end audio catalog I got in the mail that featured quite a few tube amps and pre-amps. With all of the jukebox amp chassis I have laying around, I'd love to put something old school together just for fun. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich ronnnrich@yahoo.com Sent 7/7/2009 12:33:45 PM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Aaron, Question--Since the new carts. are stereo, why don't you re-wire the tone arms, get two pre-amps, and have a total stereo set-up??? Just an idea --- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Aaron Heverin aaron@vertasource.com wrote: From: Aaron Heverin aaron@vertasource.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 9:02 AM We've discussed this before many times. But take what David said about the F and the G series, and make a somewhat easy modification to the tone-arm so that it holds a Pickering NP/AC or Shure M44 cartridge rather than the factory standard GE VR-II. Swap out a tube in the amp... what was it Jay, the 12AX7? to boost up the input to the amp from the cartridge... then prepare for a shock. You would never in a million years think that a 25 watt amplifier from 1954 (rebuilt, of course), and a bulky cabinet filled with glass would actually have enough punch to knock glasses off a shelf in a china cabinet. But guess what... I was playing "Rockin' at Midnight" by the Honeydrippers the other night. Next thing I knew, CRASH! The china cabinet is a in another room. The bass from the G-120 was so intense that it was making the cabinet vibrate. Oh...having the G or an F on a hardwood floor helps too. But for anyone who's every thought of making this modification and hesitated... DON'T. Do it now and be amazed. In fact go out and buy two of these models and bi-amp them. I'm actually working on this in my spare time. My F and G are next to each other - perfect left and right channel configuration. I'm going to try and come up with a pre-amp system so that I can drive both amps as a left/right combination. It's entirely possible. I just haven't figured out the electronics for it yet. So basically, you'd have this: Both juke's tone arms feed into the pre-amp... each one selected by a switch. If the F is selected, the sound from its tone arm goes into the pre-amp. The pre-amp then sends the output to the F as the left channel and the G as the right channel. I have to figure out a way to unmute the other amp. If all goes well, the plaster in my living room will start to disintegrate. Aaron -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Tue Jul 7 10:02:40 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Tue Jul 7 10:04:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <681031.38113.qm@web111507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes Ron.. rewire the tone arm then mount another ami G or F amp in the cabinet as there is room to do so. Then you could run an external AMI speaker or get yourself a vintage Electrovoice and it should sound pretty darn nice and also have the bonus od Stereo. Yes you can also increase the preamp output to the amp by subbing 12AU7 for a 12AX7.. I am a bit of a purist so I prefer to use the GE VR1 cart in it. If I wanted to go stereo I would swap out the GE VR1 for a GE VR11 (as used in the AMI Continental 2) . The GE VR1 is mono the GE VR11 is stereo. Tony --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 12:33 PM Aaron, Question--Since the new carts. are stereo, why don't you re-wire the tone arms, get two pre-amps, and have a total stereo set-up??? Just an idea --- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re:? [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 9:02 AM We've discussed this before many times. But take what David said about the F and the G series, and make a somewhat easy modification to the tone-arm so that it holds a Pickering NP/AC or Shure M44 cartridge rather than the factory standard GE VR-II. Swap out a tube in the amp... what was it Jay, the 12AX7? to boost up the input to the amp from the cartridge... then prepare for a shock. You would never in a million years think that a 25 watt amplifier from 1954 (rebuilt, of course), and a bulky cabinet filled with glass would actually have enough punch to knock glasses off a shelf in a china cabinet. But guess what... I was playing "Rockin' at Midnight" by the Honeydrippers the other night. Next thing I knew, CRASH! The china cabinet is a in another room. The bass from the G-120 was so intense that it was making the cabinet vibrate. Oh...having the G or an F on a hardwood floor helps too. But for anyone who's every thought of making this modification and hesitated... DON'T. Do it now and be amazed. In fact go out and buy two of these models and bi-amp them. I'm actually working on this in my spare time. My F and G are next to each other - perfect left and right channel configuration. I'm going to try and come up with a pre-amp system so that I can drive both amps as a left/right combination. It's entirely possible. I just haven't figured out the electronics for it yet. So basically, you'd have this: Both juke's tone arms feed into the pre-amp... each one selected by a switch. If the F is selected, the sound from its tone arm goes into the pre-amp. The pre-amp then sends the output to the F as the left channel and the G as the right channel. I have to figure out a way to unmute the other amp. If all goes well, the plaster in my living room will start to disintegrate. Aaron -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jul 7 10:05:09 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jul 7 10:06:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of Early AMI's] Message-ID: <179230.63040.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > You would never in a million years > think that a 25 watt amplifier from 1954 (rebuilt, of > course)... OK, here's the perfect entre' to pose the issue I mentioned in my other post. This July 4th I got a chance to put my G-200 to the test for the first time since the amp was rebuilt. In the past, there had always been a pop in the audio when a selection pin was pushed. Now, in addition to that, you can hear every relay closure in the pulse converter as a small pop in the sound. I remember from a past thread that this is the result of a bad ground. I ran a small piece of wire (all I had handy) between one of the record changer hold-down thumb screws and one of the amplifier chasis screws. This improved it a bit, but the noise is still there. I assume I need a stouter ground strap run between better points. Can anyone indicate what to ground? Thanks! From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jul 7 10:09:27 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jul 7 10:11:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <437411.22712.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > If I wanted to go stereo I would swap out > the GE VR1 for a GE VR11 (as used in the AMI Continental 2) > . The GE VR1 is mono the GE VR11 is stereo. I think you're thinking of the VR-1000. The VR-II is mono. From jay at west.net Tue Jul 7 10:12:43 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jul 7 10:14:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of Early AMI's] In-Reply-To: <179230.63040.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <179230.63040.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A53820B.4060602@west.net> David Breneman wrote: > OK, here's the perfect entre' to pose the issue I > mentioned in my other post. This July 4th I got a > chance to put my G-200 to the test for the first time > since the amp was rebuilt. In the past, there had > always been a pop in the audio when a selection > pin was pushed. Now, in addition to that, you can > hear every relay closure in the pulse converter as > a small pop in the sound. I remember from a past > thread that this is the result of a bad ground. I > ran a small piece of wire (all I had handy) between > one of the record changer hold-down thumb screws and > one of the amplifier chasis screws. This improved > it a bit, but the noise is still there. I assume I > need a stouter ground strap run between better points. > Can anyone indicate what to ground? Thanks! You could have too many grounds instead of not enough, as in a ground loop. Has the cartridge been replaced? If so, see if there exists a small brass strap under the LG terminal to the shell of the cartridge. Try removing this if it is present. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jul 7 11:15:36 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jul 7 11:17:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of Early AMI's] Message-ID: <296405.71115.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: > You could have too many grounds instead of not enough, as > in a ground loop. Has the cartridge been > replaced? If so, see if there exists a small brass > strap under the LG terminal to the shell of the cartridge. > Try removing this if it is present. The pickup is an M44-MR, which I put in the machine some time in the 80s. There is a strap on one of the treminals (the bottom one), but I can't see how its marked. The strap seems to go back into the shell right next to the pin. Not sure how I'd disconnect it except by cutting it away with an Xacto knife or something. I did try unplugging the pickup line in from the amp, and the interference goes away. So it's getting introduced somewhere in the line from the pickup to the amp. From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Tue Jul 7 11:09:45 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Tue Jul 7 11:17:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 In-Reply-To: <20090707.121533.1877.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090707.121533.1877.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Yes, it might be better to just get another copy, if yours is badly warped. I have though, on numerous occasions, flattened out warped 45's if the warp was not too severe. Here's what I do: Heat up the element on the kitchen stove (I have electric, and I'd think you have to be more careful with natural gas). Hold the warped section of the record about 6" away from the element. Touch the warped area every few seconds to see when it is starting to get soft. Have a hard covered book handy. As soon as the vinyl becomes pliable, take it away from the heat, and press the soft vinyl between the hard cover book and the kitchen counter top (make sure it is fully cleaned before hand, or else crumbs and dirt will be imbedded in the vinyl). You only have a few seconds before the vinyl will harden, so do this process fast. As soon as the record starts to get soft, you have to quickly press down on it with the book. Do not put the book on the label area, as this is raised. You want to flatten only the grooved area. I have to disagree with what someone else said here. I believe that the vinyl SHRINKS, not expands once it is heated. This would account for the fact that with the above method you really only have one shot at flattening the record with the book. If the record is re-heated again later, there is too much shrinkage and it will never return to it's original state. I have used the above method on 78's also, with much success. Try it. What have you got to loose? Your record is unplayable in it's current state anyway. Good luck. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, July, 07 12:16 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Fixing a bad warp in a 45 Gentlemen: On a few occasions, I tried the cookie sheets in a warm oven idea that you brought up here. Tried to use this for both 12" LP's and 45's. Most times this didn't work out, it just damaged the disc further. Maybe it's all in the technique you use, but I think you'd be better off putting your effort to finding another copy of the record. Here's an on-line retailer I know that stocks both original and repro 45's and has a big stock at good prices. www.beverlyrecords.com. Jim Alexander Jim Alexander Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYW3CQIqwylOwWAA9XbA AQsJpQsgWMPQqIsXMreAxsVCu47SCspYBq/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From rothbear at comcast.net Tue Jul 7 11:12:06 2009 From: rothbear at comcast.net (The Roths) Date: Tue Jul 7 11:22:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg KD Problem Message-ID: <8F4327BE0DE543E5A18BA97080BF831B@home> I recently sold and delivered a KD-200 that I had had for many years. At the beginning of the set up the five rotary drum switches worked correctly. Sometime later, I think as I moved the back door, the #4 (forth from the left) switch began to turn the drum continuously when pressed. The other 4 switches work and stop as they should. I later tried a set of switches from a VL and the same thing happened, so that seems to eliminate the switch itself as being the problem. I have the manual but have problems troubleshooting electrical problems. Can anyone suggest what may have happened, point me in the direction of where to look for the problem, and help me get the problem fixed. The new owner is being patient so far, but I do need to get this worked out. Any help would be appreciated. Brian Roth From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Tue Jul 7 11:29:11 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Tue Jul 7 11:30:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of Early AMI's] In-Reply-To: <296405.71115.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <296405.71115.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c9ff30$d2b5c250$782146f0$@force9.co.uk> You can either cut the strap off, or, if you get a thin blade, you can slowly prize it out of the cartridge body, and up and off the pin. You can then re-install if necessary. (Start off using the end of a sewing pin to pull it up if necessary) - it is only wedged into the edge of the body. The M44MR is isolated from the jukebox by its plastic body, so will give different results than say if you did this on a metal bodied Stanton. It's a bit of experimentation really. I guess to prove the point before removing the strap, just disconnect both pins on that channel (i.e. the signal and ground), so only the other channel is in use. If it stops clicking then, you know that is your problem. If not, don't bother taking the little strap off. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 07 July 2009 19:16 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of Early AMI's] --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: > You could have too many grounds instead of not enough, as > in a ground loop. Has the cartridge been > replaced? If so, see if there exists a small brass > strap under the LG terminal to the shell of the cartridge. > Try removing this if it is present. The pickup is an M44-MR, which I put in the machine some time in the 80s. There is a strap on one of the treminals (the bottom one), but I can't see how its marked. The strap seems to go back into the shell right next to the pin. Not sure how I'd disconnect it except by cutting it away with an Xacto knife or something. I did try unplugging the pickup line in from the amp, and the interference goes away. So it's getting introduced somewhere in the line from the pickup to the amp. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rothbear at comcast.net Tue Jul 7 11:46:18 2009 From: rothbear at comcast.net (The Roths) Date: Tue Jul 7 11:48:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Back Doors For Wurlitzer 3000 Message-ID: <8FB3DAB58B194D68B39CA2F5AE218381@home> One of the members was looking for a set of back doors for a W3000. Please contact me off list. I need the dimensions and color to double check what I have. I know I have a set for a W2900 and may have at least a partial set for the W3000 if they are sort of a blue/gray color. Brian Roth From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 7 12:42:07 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 7 12:43:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <883204.87816.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Cool--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 10:07 AM Ron, The single pre-amp would be wired for stereo and have a single volume pot to control both amps... not to mention bass, treble, or mid levels... but I'd also like to build in a pre-out so I can feed the 1200 watt powered subwoofer I have just for kicks. What really got me into investigating this was a high-end audio catalog I got in the mail that featured quite a few tube amps and pre-amps. With all of the jukebox amp chassis I have laying around, I'd love to put something old school together just for fun. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich ronnnrich@yahoo.com Sent 7/7/2009 12:33:45 PM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Aaron, Question--Since the new carts. are stereo, why don't you re-wire the tone arms, get two pre-amps, and have a total stereo set-up??? Just an idea --- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Aaron Heverin aaron@vertasource.com wrote: From: Aaron Heverin aaron@vertasource.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 9:02 AM We've discussed this before many times. But take what David said about the F and the G series, and make a somewhat easy modification to the tone-arm so that it holds a Pickering NP/AC or Shure M44 cartridge rather than the factory standard GE VR-II. Swap out a tube in the amp... what was it Jay, the 12AX7? to boost up the input to the amp from the cartridge... then prepare for a shock. You would never in a million years think that a 25 watt amplifier from 1954 (rebuilt, of course), and a bulky cabinet filled with glass would actually have enough punch to knock glasses off a shelf in a china cabinet. But guess what... I was playing "Rockin' at Midnight" by the Honeydrippers the other night. Next thing I knew, CRASH! The china cabinet is a in another room. The bass from the G-120 was so intense that it was making the cabinet vibrate. Oh...having the G or an F on a hardwood floor helps too. But for anyone who's every thought of making this modification and hesitated... DON'T. Do it now and be amazed. In fact go out and buy two of these models and bi-amp them. I'm actually working on this in my spare time. My F and G are next to each other - perfect left and right channel configuration. I'm going to try and come up with a pre-amp system so that I can drive both amps as a left/right combination. It's entirely possible. I just haven't figured out the electronics for it yet. So basically, you'd have this: Both juke's tone arms feed into the pre-amp... each one selected by a switch. If the F is selected, the sound from its tone arm goes into the pre-amp. The pre-amp then sends the output to the F as the left channel and the G as the right channel. I have to figure out a way to unmute the other amp. If all goes well, the plaster in my living room will start to disintegrate. Aaron -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Jul 7 12:52:35 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Jul 7 12:54:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Fixing a bad warp in a 45 Message-ID: "I have to disagree with what someone else said here. I believe that the vinyl SHRINKS, not expands once it is heated. This would account for the fact that with the above method you really only have one shot at flattening the record with the book. If the record is re-heated again later, there is too much shrinkage and it will never return to it's original state. " Nope, it definitely expands, hence the lump. That said, your method of repair is sound. I've also used a medium iron to warm a section then quickly press. Sometimes you get an OK result, sometimes not. I can't believe that's a hard 45 to replace. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 From jay at west.net Tue Jul 7 12:59:02 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jul 7 13:00:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's - and one available... In-Reply-To: <200907071307221.SM02808@[192.168.1.206]> References: <200907071307221.SM02808@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <4A53A906.1020605@west.net> Aaron Heverin wrote: > Ron, > The single pre-amp would be wired for stereo and have a single volume pot to control both amps... not to mention bass, treble, or mid levels... but I'd also like to build in a pre-out so I can feed the 1200 watt powered subwoofer I have just for kicks. What really got me into investigating this was a high-end audio catalog I got in the mail that featured quite a few tube amps and pre-amps. With all of the jukebox amp chassis I have laying around, I'd love to put something old school together just for fun. As the AMIs are designed for magnetic cartridge input, adding a preamp may not really be desirable. The existing amplifiers have the RIAA network and phono stage already. The preamp would take some tweaking or modification of the existing amplifier to make things sound right. I'd put a second amplifier in one cabinet, use a dual-gang volume control which in this case is a simple shunt to ground, and run speaker wires to the other cabinet. By the way, I have most of an AMI F-120 (missing amp and some parts) that I'll probably never get around to completing. Cabinet is solid. If anyone is interested either for parts or if you have a similar box with a bad cabinet and want to try to make one out of two, contact me off-list. Located in Santa Barbara, CA. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Jul 7 13:12:46 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Jul 7 13:14:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound OfEarly AMI's Message-ID: Don't worry. The G-120's not for sale. Aaron, Re: Crash! You're a riot. The F and G models were really the first to use a subwoofer and take advantage of what non amplified early acoustic phonographs used to expand their sound: Horns. The non-200 F and G models had their woofers in the lower part, but even so, used a well designed bent horn shape inside to expand an accelerate the music. Ditto the more straightforward solid state upper horn. You'll see (behind screen) theater speakers from this era and into the 1980s with this same design, a box cabinet low frequency driver with a horn plopped on top capable of moving quite a bit of sound from a relatively small amplifier. AMI was replicating current Hi Fi speaker trends, not the chrome queen automotive styling of the other makes (hence the colorful paint jobs - for eye appeal). Indeed, my UN-rebuilt amp/GE VR1 sounds fantastic in it. Clear, little distortion when up full blast. As for audiophile, well, no jukebox naturally aspires to that. We're talking relatives. In sound quality, an 1955 AMI G series will blow away a 1987 R-91 model. Those things sound like gravel. You have to remember that these machines were offered in 78 RPM versions. This was a different time. Something like this would have sounded 10x better than most people's home phonograph, which would not have even had a woofer/tweeter combination. What I can tell you is that more often than not, people are blown away by the fidelity of the G-120 I have. They just don't expect the rich, clear music they hear to coming from such an old timer. I can't imagine what putting a modern cartridge in would do. I'm sure it would be amazing. I have a Stanton 500 (same as Pickering NP AC) around. I should try it. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Tue Jul 7 13:16:49 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Tue Jul 7 13:18:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Fixing a bad warp in a 45 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've had some records in which it appears someone held a match up to the edge. In this particular spot the vinyl has contracted or shrunk towards the center (not bulged out). I've also had other records in which I've tried flattening a very bad warp. I may be able to get it relatively flat, but the area "pulls in" towards the middle of the record. This is what led me to conclude that the vinyl shrinks as opposed to expand. Try flattening a heavily warped record, and see what I mean. Either way, I like your suggestion of the iron. I guess you'd have to have some way to quickly take the heat off, but still flatten the record so it holds the shape. Right? Kyle, do you put a cloth on the record to protect it? If so, would this leave the cloth impression in the vinyl? Or is the iron right on the grooves? Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: 2009, July, 07 3:53 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Fixing a bad warp in a 45 "I have to disagree with what someone else said here. I believe that the vinyl SHRINKS, not expands once it is heated. This would account for the fact that with the above method you really only have one shot at flattening the record with the book. If the record is re-heated again later, there is too much shrinkage and it will never return to it's original state. " Nope, it definitely expands, hence the lump. That said, your method of repair is sound. I've also used a medium iron to warm a section then quickly press. Sometimes you get an OK result, sometimes not. I can't believe that's a hard 45 to replace. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail(r) has ever-growing storage! Don't worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut orial_Storage_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 7 15:42:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 7 15:44:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's - and one available... Message-ID: <127097.73502.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Himmm--I forgot that that was a mag cart--as you say, no pre-amps needed, imho--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's - and one available... To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 12:59 PM Aaron Heverin wrote: > Ron, > The single pre-amp would be wired for stereo and have a single volume pot to control both amps... not to mention bass, treble, or mid levels... but I'd also like to build in a pre-out so I can feed the 1200 watt powered subwoofer I have just for kicks. What really got me into investigating this was a high-end audio catalog I got in the mail that featured quite a few tube amps and pre-amps. With all of the jukebox amp chassis I have laying around, I'd love to put something old school together just for fun. As the AMIs are designed for magnetic cartridge input, adding a preamp may not really be desirable.? The existing amplifiers have the RIAA network and phono stage already.? The preamp would take some tweaking or modification of the existing amplifier to make things sound right. I'd put a second amplifier in one cabinet, use a dual-gang volume control which in this case is a simple shunt to ground, and run speaker wires to the other cabinet. By the way, I have most of an AMI F-120 (missing amp and some parts) that I'll probably never get around to completing.? Cabinet is solid. If anyone is interested either for parts or if you have a similar box with a bad cabinet and want to try to make one out of two, contact me off-list.? Located in Santa Barbara, CA. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From y2kvette at verizon.net Tue Jul 7 15:29:59 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Tue Jul 7 16:34:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers Message-ID: <7B32D3F28A1E41E6B88D9D05BE4ED2DE@TCSShop> I need the two small upper stereo speakers for this 1965 Grand Prix II. They are 7" speakers. Anyone know a source? Thanks, Steve From jay at west.net Tue Jul 7 16:43:57 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jul 7 16:45:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers In-Reply-To: <7B32D3F28A1E41E6B88D9D05BE4ED2DE@TCSShop> References: <7B32D3F28A1E41E6B88D9D05BE4ED2DE@TCSShop> Message-ID: <4A53DDBD.5020303@west.net> Steve Kline wrote: > I need the two small upper stereo speakers for this 1965 Grand Prix II. > They are 7" speakers. Anyone know a source? That's just the driver, or is it in an enclosure? Kind of an odd size for a driver. What's the distance between the mounting holes diagonally? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Tue Jul 7 17:24:41 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Tue Jul 7 17:26:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <305607.74377.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HI: I actually have a GE VR-11 and it is stereo... It came from a Continental. I was going to use it on my AMI model K and get the stereo amp and pre-amp for it as it is currently mono ? Tony --- On Tue, 7/7/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 1:09 PM --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > If I wanted to go stereo I would swap out > the GE VR1 for a GE VR11 (as used in the AMI Continental 2) > . The GE VR1 is mono the GE VR11 is stereo. I think you're thinking of the VR-1000.? The VR-II is mono. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! 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Click below to join Jim's network. http://www.friendster.com/join.php?inviteref=110554392&invite=SYc2Cjo6tV4CeO1VwS_uWZYmuwuaTWC6tQ_hyuyTivc*&lang=en-US ***************************************************************** If you do not wish to receive notification emails from Friendster, please click below: http://www.friendster.com/blockemails.php?invite=anVrZWJveC1saXN0QGxpc3RzLm5ldGxvaml4LmNvbQ** From y2kvette at verizon.net Tue Jul 7 18:02:14 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Tue Jul 7 18:03:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers References: <7B32D3F28A1E41E6B88D9D05BE4ED2DE@TCSShop> <4A53DDBD.5020303@west.net> Message-ID: <008501c9ff67$bbe1c6a0$0701a8c0@CaysLaptop> These are 7.5" between the two mounting holes. Speaker surface is 7". The width is 3" (no side mounting holes). These speakers are mounted in the top enclosure of the jukebox on each side. I suspect they are mid-range speakers. See: http://www.kuijs.net/rock-ola/1965_010_426.htm Thanks, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers > Steve Kline wrote: >> I need the two small upper stereo speakers for this 1965 Grand Prix II. >> They are 7" speakers. Anyone know a source? > > That's just the driver, or is it in an enclosure? Kind of an odd size for > a driver. What's the distance between the mounting holes diagonally? > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 7 18:49:18 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Jul 7 18:51:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound OfEarly AMI's] References: <179230.63040.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006001c9ff6e$4ed7a2d0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> David - this is a common occurrence with those amps and the electric selector H, I, J models have the same problem. My tube theory is very weak, but I know how to read and solder. I saved an article from Harold Hagen in which he came up with a solution to filter out the noise - a 10K resistor in series with the grid (pin 7) of V2. There is a .02 cap and a 1Meg resistor there already - remove them from pin 7, solder both ends and one end of the 10K resistor together, and the other end of the 10K resistor to pin 7. I've done this several times with great results. Other things to check include the caps in the pulse converter, and if your machine has the optional AVC unit, be sure the plug and socket are well connected. Be sure you have not accidentally reversed the volume control connections at the amp (terminals 1&2). These amps also suffer from noisy volume control action (static while turning, even with a new control). There is a simple resistor/cap addition to the volume control Harold wrote about to fix this as well. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound OfEarly AMI's] > > --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > >> You would never in a million years >> think that a 25 watt amplifier from 1954 (rebuilt, of >> course)... > > OK, here's the perfect entre' to pose the issue I > mentioned in my other post. This July 4th I got a > chance to put my G-200 to the test for the first time > since the amp was rebuilt. In the past, there had > always been a pop in the audio when a selection > pin was pushed. Now, in addition to that, you can > hear every relay closure in the pulse converter as > a small pop in the sound. I remember from a past > thread that this is the result of a bad ground. I > ran a small piece of wire (all I had handy) between > one of the record changer hold-down thumb screws and > one of the amplifier chasis screws. This improved > it a bit, but the noise is still there. I assume I > need a stouter ground strap run between better points. > Can anyone indicate what to ground? Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Tue Jul 7 20:11:04 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jul 7 20:12:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers In-Reply-To: <008501c9ff67$bbe1c6a0$0701a8c0@CaysLaptop> References: <7B32D3F28A1E41E6B88D9D05BE4ED2DE@TCSShop> <4A53DDBD.5020303@west.net> <008501c9ff67$bbe1c6a0$0701a8c0@CaysLaptop> Message-ID: <4A540E48.8070802@west.net> Steve Kline wrote: > These are 7.5" between the two mounting holes. Speaker surface is 7". > The width is 3" (no side mounting holes). These speakers are mounted in > the top enclosure of the jukebox on each side. I suspect they are > mid-range speakers. > See: http://www.kuijs.net/rock-ola/1965_010_426.htm If you can't locate originals you might want to consider a Masonite template that fits the original mounting to which you can mount a replacement speaker. Check out www.crutchfield.com for a variety of 4x6 and 5x7 speakers for car audio. Just a pair of holes on 7.5 inch centers suggests a 5x7 speaker but it sounds like these may be too wide to fit in the jukebox. Another possibility would be a pair of 3.5 inch speakers on a template. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jul 7 21:28:09 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jul 7 21:29:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <817667.42239.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > I actually have a GE VR-11 and it is stereo... I just realized that you wrote VR-[eleven] and not VR-[roman numeral two]. The VR-11 is a rare cartridge. From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jul 7 21:28:18 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Jul 7 21:29:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 148 Message-ID: <001d01c9ff84$859d1500$90d73f00$@net> Is there a way to manually cycle the mech? Got one...needing much help. Just want to see the mech cycle to see if anything is bent, broken or missing. I will be getting a service manual soon. Thanks. Hope everyone had a great 4th! Rich From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jul 7 21:35:45 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Jul 7 21:37:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Back Doors For Wurlitzer 3000 In-Reply-To: <8FB3DAB58B194D68B39CA2F5AE218381@home> References: <8FB3DAB58B194D68B39CA2F5AE218381@home> Message-ID: <002201c9ff85$904abc40$b0e034c0$@net> Don't know if there is a standard, but my 3010 has brown doors. My 2800 has a teal...blue....green colored doors. This might be the same color you are talking about. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of The Roths Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:46 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: [Jukebox-list] Back Doors For Wurlitzer 3000 One of the members was looking for a set of back doors for a W3000. Please contact me off list. I need the dimensions and color to double check what I have. I know I have a set for a W2900 and may have at least a partial set for the W3000 if they are sort of a blue/gray color. Brian Roth _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.5/2220 - Release Date: 07/07/09 05:53:00 From jay at west.net Tue Jul 7 22:11:20 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jul 7 22:12:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Back Doors For Wurlitzer 3000 In-Reply-To: <002201c9ff85$904abc40$b0e034c0$@net> References: <8FB3DAB58B194D68B39CA2F5AE218381@home> <002201c9ff85$904abc40$b0e034c0$@net> Message-ID: <4A542A78.9090302@west.net> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Don't know if there is a standard, but my 3010 has brown doors. My 2800 > has a teal...blue....green colored doors. This might be the same color you > are talking about. I was in error regarding the 3000, I thought mine were brown. They're actually a darkish blue-grey. I think the 2900 are brown and may be interchangeable other than the color. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Jul 7 23:09:13 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Jul 7 23:10:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 In-Reply-To: "James Alexander" 's message of Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:50:14 GMT Message-ID: <11705-4A543809-7@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Lots of good info James, thanks much! Im pretty happy the way the 1100 turned out. It was painted a horrible green and orange color when I got it , and really required alot of cabinet work . The only thing Im not really enthused about is the decal kit that a certain company sells to re-do the front door and cabinet sides. I believe its the "burl"? swirly stuff. Anyway, the decal set is so flimsy and cheaply made, if you sneeze when your putting it on, your done. It wrinkles and gets so screwed up. And they want a good price for it too. Only other option unfortnately is to have it painted on by an artist { lotsa luck} . Had some trouble too getting a gap out of the front door . Some work around the hinges helped on that. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 8 01:20:04 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Wed Jul 8 01:22:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 In-Reply-To: <11705-4A543809-7@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <11705-4A543809-7@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <00964B64F6E24ADA8405C49BC14A5592@WilliamHPLap> Jim, The front door decal set isn't too bad to put on. You can do it in sections. You could drag it out a few nights. I did mine quite a few years ago. It looks a lot nicer than trying to veneer the front door. Basically you spray lacquer the surfaces that the decal will be applied to. Then you apply the decal and mist lacquer over the top several times to seal it on. The tricky part you'll need to be careful with is applying the lacquer to heavily. Since the decal is lacquer, too much at once will dissolve it. It's really not that hard to do though. Have them send you a few pieces to test on. You'll pick it up quickly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 > Lots of good info James, thanks much! Im pretty happy the way the 1100 > turned out. It was painted a horrible green and orange color when I got > it , and really required alot of cabinet work . The only thing Im not > really enthused about is the decal kit that a certain company sells to > re-do the front door and cabinet sides. I believe its the "burl"? swirly > stuff. Anyway, the decal set is so flimsy and cheaply made, if you > sneeze when your putting it on, your done. It wrinkles and gets so > screwed up. And they want a good price for it too. Only other option > unfortnately is to have it painted on by an artist { lotsa luck} . Had > some trouble too getting a gap out of the front door . Some work around > the hinges helped on that. Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 8 04:15:49 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Jul 8 04:17:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 148 References: <001d01c9ff84$859d1500$90d73f00$@net> Message-ID: <000f01c9ffbd$73300b00$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Turn the motor coupling by hand - it takes a while but is safe. Once you run it through one cycle, you can just plug the motor directly into a wall outlet. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:28 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 148 > Is there a way to manually cycle the mech? Got one...needing much help. > Just want to see the mech cycle to see if anything is bent, broken or > missing. I will be getting a service manual soon. > > > > Thanks. Hope everyone had a great 4th! > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From y2kvette at verizon.net Wed Jul 8 04:46:33 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Wed Jul 8 05:50:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers References: <7B32D3F28A1E41E6B88D9D05BE4ED2DE@TCSShop> <4A53DDBD.5020303@west.net> <008501c9ff67$bbe1c6a0$0701a8c0@CaysLaptop> <4A540E48.8070802@west.net> Message-ID: <0E494208D81744CA9D5DE023AF6785F2@TCSShop> I've thought about doing that, but most good speakers today are foam suspension. Is that a no-no for these like the woofers? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers > Steve Kline wrote: >> These are 7.5" between the two mounting holes. Speaker surface is 7". >> The width is 3" (no side mounting holes). These speakers are mounted in >> the top enclosure of the jukebox on each side. I suspect they are >> mid-range speakers. >> See: http://www.kuijs.net/rock-ola/1965_010_426.htm > > If you can't locate originals you might want to consider a Masonite > template that fits the original mounting to which you can mount a > replacement speaker. Check out www.crutchfield.com for a variety of 4x6 > and 5x7 speakers for car audio. Just a pair of holes on 7.5 inch centers > suggests a 5x7 speaker but it sounds like these may be too wide to fit in > the jukebox. Another possibility would be a pair of 3.5 inch speakers on > a template. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Wed Jul 8 06:17:07 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Columbus Coin-Op Shop) Date: Wed Jul 8 06:18:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers In-Reply-To: <0E494208D81744CA9D5DE023AF6785F2@TCSShop> References: <7B32D3F28A1E41E6B88D9D05BE4ED2DE@TCSShop> <4A53DDBD.5020303@west.net> <008501c9ff67$bbe1c6a0$0701a8c0@CaysLaptop> <4A540E48.8070802@west.net> <0E494208D81744CA9D5DE023AF6785F2@TCSShop> Message-ID: <000901c9ffce$650ce6e0$2f26b4a0$@net> Steve, I have a Coronado 431 that I have been considering parting out. It's in pretty nice shape but I know it's just not gonna bring me any money. I believe the speakers you need are the same in this model. Contact me off list if you are interested. Thanks, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Steve Kline Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:47 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers I've thought about doing that, but most good speakers today are foam suspension. Is that a no-no for these like the woofers? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers > Steve Kline wrote: >> These are 7.5" between the two mounting holes. Speaker surface is 7". >> The width is 3" (no side mounting holes). These speakers are mounted in >> the top enclosure of the jukebox on each side. I suspect they are >> mid-range speakers. >> See: http://www.kuijs.net/rock-ola/1965_010_426.htm > > If you can't locate originals you might want to consider a Masonite > template that fits the original mounting to which you can mount a > replacement speaker. Check out www.crutchfield.com for a variety of 4x6 > and 5x7 speakers for car audio. Just a pair of holes on 7.5 inch centers > suggests a 5x7 speaker but it sounds like these may be too wide to fit in > the jukebox. Another possibility would be a pair of 3.5 inch speakers on > a template. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Tue Jul 7 08:06:15 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed Jul 8 10:15:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <617971.45083.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ok some can debate this if they want there are "audiophile people" then are are "wanna-be audiophile people" To me audiophile, means a person who knows what they like and what ever the audio component is its enjoyable to listen to that particular person. An "audiopile wanna-be" is a person who critic's everything but what they like. These people "stereo-typically" judge audio by the price tag and also by brand name and tend to steer away from new ideas that are radical or not proven.?(at least that is what I have seen) Also you can't?seem to tell them anything unless you prove it with numbers like .0001 percent total harmonic distortion at full volume LOL! I have played with audio for many years and have heard alot of Hi-Fi components. (Please.. if anyone wants to chime in at anytime please do) as the human ear is?as different as ever individual we percieve sound differently. I speak for alot of people when I say the?early AMI's do sound amazing for the period but the Model G seems to stand out in the crowd. I have been debating the reason why with many people and have?come this this conclusion. The speaker system is Electro-Voice. In all the speakers I have heard in my life they stand alone in quality and sound reproduction. Unlike Cerwin Vega (60 hertz clip in the woofers) they are not colourized. The produce what should be heard. The don't miss a thing.. with all that in mind remember your audio system is only?good if there?is a marridge in the parts (in short they have to get along and work with each other). The best systems usually are mismatched when it comes to component systems. Also Vacuum Tubes have alot to do with it. Vacuum Tubes were MADE for audio where transistors were not. When the transistor was made in the 1940's it was intended to be used for computers and the likes of.. not audio... when you force?or adapt something that it is not intended to be used for you sacrafice something.?In the case of transistors vs. Vacuum Tubes, transistors have a much harsher tone (in most cases), where in?ALL case Vacuum Tubes are much warmer. Curcuits using vacuum tubes have very loose tolerances in the parts (capacitors and resistors), the circuits tend to be quite simple. Transistor circuits have parts that are?tight tolerance parts, if a part in a transistor circuit goes off value the transistor blows. The transistor circuits also tend to be quite complex. (Please keep in mind I am speaking in a general sence as there are exceptions LOL). Now that all being said the KISS rule does apply to Vacuum Tubes (KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid). Now back to the AMI Model G. The G uses?two 6L6 output tubes in push-pull they are way underdriven hense very low distortion. Next it uses a General Electric VR1 Variable Reluctance Magnetic Cartridge (these were one of the first Magnetic cartridges on the scene and were used alot in?high end Hi-Fi of that time) Can you start to see why it sounds so good? Now then we have a great match so?far. The pre-amp stage in the amp is of an excellent design as well.?Lastly the G does not use a typical speaker enclosure. It actually has the?two 8 inch woofers embedded in the cabinet under the horn in the top. I call it?an "Acoustic Labyrinth" These speakers face?(more or less) downword through a large retanglular port that goes through the back of the machine?and out the bottom. This is also the reason the G does not sound very good on a carpeted floor. To get the maximum enjoyment (the sound, particularly the bass response) have the machine sitting on a wood floor. I hope this gives everyone some insight as to why the G sounds so nice. I personally think its the best sound juke ever made. ? Regards, Tony?? --- On Tue, 7/7/09, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 1:16 AM Tony, and others recentltly talking about the great sound of AMI G's and similar early AMI's, Can you guys put this in perspective for me please? I've never heard one of these jukeboxes but I keep hearing about them. I'm somewhat of an uneducated audiophile. In other words, I'm way better than most people about enjoying sound quality but I can pick it apart, not always put in to words what I don't like about it, much less explain it. My main question is this: Did those AMI's just sound better than others of the period, or are you saying they have a sound still not replicated today? And please, I'm not trying to dredge up the digital vs analog arguement, or the tube vs transistor arguement. All I'm asking, is if I am missing out on something because I have not heard one of those jukeboxes, or is the discussion about them more relative to the time they were produced?? Thanks for any insight, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just popping in. I love those AMI Model G's.. the sound is unreal.. Electrovoice was part and parcel responsible for that! Don't you dare get ride of that excellent machine.. Sell that AMI rowe Jal.. / Jel.. good sound but not reliable.. Rowe killed AMI.. still a sore spot with me.. Regards, Tony --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just popping in. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Monday, July 6, 2009, 9:42 PM Hello everyone! Just popping in to say hello. I find myself with little time for jukes, or to scan and reply to the list these days as I'm just busy. Busy, busy, busy. My online VW forum gets 100 -160 posts per day and it's all I can do to keep up with that alone. I hate not being on here, but I can only take on so much. Work also keeps me busy and I'm thankful to be employed in this economy. I'm blowing off something else I'm supposed to be doing right now, but darn it, I miss it here and I'm gonna get this post written! THAT all said, I do have some jukebox stuff going on this month all of the sudden, so definitely thought it was worth an update here. My Rock Ola 474 (Sybaris, 1978) that was on location is getting a fresh coat of paint and being sold. Although it works great, it was never dependable in the coin (jams)/crediting (ROs first electronic credit unit is known faulty) departments and is best suited for home use. I've got a super good offer on it ($650) and am taking it while the getting is good. It has a Rock-Ola Charlie amp rebuild in it that I'll miss. I have another working amp I may put in and keep the Charlie amp. It has his labels on it and I can't imagine parting with it. The 474 paid my motorcycle parking for my work commute for 2.5 years ($2 a day) plus this last six fifty, so I have no complaints. I bought a Rock Ola 1442 Junior Hi-Fi (50 selections). It's in Florida safely at my friend's place and all there. Worked for the lady for years, then just stopped, so probably an easy fix, and the $150 price tag was unbeatable. Only 1500 made. it came up on his local Craigslist and just seemed too good to pass up, even if I have to ship it here. My AMI G-120 ('55) that is in a used record shop needs to be moved as they had a water heater disaster upstairs and the place needs to be half cleared out for major repairs. No damage to the jukebox, thankfully. I have found a 1950s diner that's begging for it, so it's going back into revenue service for the first time in probably 40 years. I'm a little leery about putting it out, but I don't have the room to store it and don't want to sell it if at all possible. This diner is very popular and all they have is a radio on the counter the owner is itching to get rid of, so it'll be the only source of entertainment. Before that, it's coming home for a week to have the contacts cleaned and be put through the paces. It's been on static display for maybe 2 years, only being fired up every few months by me. Seeburg AY160 that I've been sitting on for 2+ years is going on stage as a prop for a couple weeks. That'll get it out of storage and into my garage and hopefully under repair once it's done being a star. Next up, AMI JAL-200 I've also been sitting on will get finished. Just need to get it put back together. I hope you've all been well. I'll try to check back in over the next couple days. I'm officially late getting out, but it's good to be posting. My warmest wishes to all my old pals here. 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Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Jul 8 11:06:58 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Wed Jul 8 11:02:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <200907081406348.SM01348@[192.168.1.206]> Tony, Don't forget that the G you're speaking of is the G-200. The G-120, like the F-120, had a 10 inch woofer mounted in the bottom portion of the cabinet with ports directing the sound out the bottom. The "woofers" in the G-200 are only 8 inch or smaller. I'm restoring one now and I can't remember the exact size since I'm at work. However, I'm absolutly amazed at the amount of bass coming out of those smaller babys. Of course, we can't forget the cross-over network as well. It's the same for both the F and G series into the G-200. What's strange is that with all of the Fs and Gs I've restored, the woofers always remained nameless. They seemed to be simple paper coned beasts... with a plain silver framework. However, I did a few where the woofer was manufactured by Jensen - stamped as such and painted green. I'm wondering if that was an aftermarkt replacement or one that actually came from the factory in the G-120s they came from. I always thought Rock-Ola had the market on Jensen speakers for their jukes. Aaron From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed Jul 8 11:15:26 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Jul 8 11:22:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's/ Collector Value In-Reply-To: <617971.45083.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <617971.45083.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've been reading all this discussion about how great sounding the 1950's AMI's are. I have one question though: "Why then is this not reflected in the value"? It appears that 1950's Seeburgs, Wurlitzer, and Rockola's usually command a much higher price (over AMI's). Also, look at the Victory Glass catalogue: there's only a few pages of parts for all AMI's (and this forum often has people looking for AMI parts, presumeably because they have not been reproduced). Any explainations from the AMI fans? Is it strictly due to styling or what? Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Lala Blah Blah Sent: 2009, July, 07 11:06 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Ok some can debate this if they want there are "audiophile people" then are are "wanna-be audiophile people" To me audiophile, means a person who knows what they like and what ever the audio component is its enjoyable to listen to that particular person. An "audiopile wanna-be" is a person who critic's everything but what they like. These people "stereo-typically" judge audio by the price tag and also by brand name and tend to steer away from new ideas that are radical or not proven.?(at least that is what I have seen) Also you can't?seem to tell them anything unless you prove it with numbers like .0001 percent total harmonic distortion at full volume LOL! I have played with audio for many years and have heard alot of Hi-Fi components. (Please.. if anyone wants to chime in at anytime please do) as the human ear is?as different as ever individual we percieve sound differently. I speak for alot of people when I say the?early AMI's do sound amazing for the period but the Model G seems to stand out in the crowd. I have been debating the reason why with many people and have?come this this conclusion. The speaker system is Electro-Voice. In all the speakers I have heard in my life they stand alone in quality and sound reproduction. Unlike Cerwin Vega (60 hertz clip in the woofers) they are not colourized. The produce what should be heard. The don't miss a thing.. with all that in mind remember your audio system is only?good if there?is a marridge in the parts (in short they have to get along and work with each other). The best systems usually are mismatched when it comes to component systems. Also Vacuum Tubes have alot to do with it. Vacuum Tubes were MADE for audio where transistors were not. When the transistor was made in the 1940's it was intended to be used for computers and the likes of.. not audio... when you force?or adapt something that it is not intended to be used for you sacrafice something.?In the case of transistors vs. Vacuum Tubes, transistors have a much harsher tone (in most cases), where in?ALL case Vacuum Tubes are much warmer. Curcuits using vacuum tubes have very loose tolerances in the parts (capacitors and resistors), the circuits tend to be quite simple. Transistor circuits have parts that are?tight tolerance parts, if a part in a transistor circuit goes off value the transistor blows. The transistor circuits also tend to be quite complex. (Please keep in mind I am speaking in a general sence as there are exceptions LOL). Now that all being said the KISS rule does apply to Vacuum Tubes (KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid). Now back to the AMI Model G. The G uses?two 6L6 output tubes in push-pull they are way underdriven hense very low distortion. Next it uses a General Electric VR1 Variable Reluctance Magnetic Cartridge (these were one of the first Magnetic cartridges on the scene and were used alot in?high end Hi-Fi of that time) Can you start to see why it sounds so good? Now then we have a great match so?far. The pre-amp stage in the amp is of an excellent design as well.?Lastly the G does not use a typical speaker enclosure. It actually has the?two 8 inch woofers embedded in the cabinet under the horn in the top. I call it?an "Acoustic Labyrinth" These speakers face?(more or less) downword through a large retanglular port that goes through the back of the machine?and out the bottom. This is also the reason the G does not sound very good on a carpeted floor. To get the maximum enjoyment (the sound, particularly the bass response) have the machine sitting on a wood floor. I hope this gives everyone some insight as to why the G sounds so nice. I personally think its the best sound juke ever made. ? Regards, Tony?? --- On Tue, 7/7/09, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 1:16 AM Tony, and others recentltly talking about the great sound of AMI G's and similar early AMI's, Can you guys put this in perspective for me please? I've never heard one of these jukeboxes but I keep hearing about them. I'm somewhat of an uneducated audiophile. In other words, I'm way better than most people about enjoying sound quality but I can pick it apart, not always put in to words what I don't like about it, much less explain it. My main question is this: Did those AMI's just sound better than others of the period, or are you saying they have a sound still not replicated today? And please, I'm not trying to dredge up the digital vs analog arguement, or the tube vs transistor arguement. All I'm asking, is if I am missing out on something because I have not heard one of those jukeboxes, or is the discussion about them more relative to the time they were produced?? Thanks for any insight, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just popping in. I love those AMI Model G's.. the sound is unreal.. Electrovoice was part and parcel responsible for that! Don't you dare get ride of that excellent machine.. Sell that AMI rowe Jal.. / Jel.. good sound but not reliable.. Rowe killed AMI.. still a sore spot with me.. Regards, Tony --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just popping in. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Monday, July 6, 2009, 9:42 PM Hello everyone! Just popping in to say hello. I find myself with little time for jukes, or to scan and reply to the list these days as I'm just busy. Busy, busy, busy. My online VW forum gets 100 -160 posts per day and it's all I can do to keep up with that alone. I hate not being on here, but I can only take on so much. Work also keeps me busy and I'm thankful to be employed in this economy. I'm blowing off something else I'm supposed to be doing right now, but darn it, I miss it here and I'm gonna get this post written! THAT all said, I do have some jukebox stuff going on this month all of the sudden, so definitely thought it was worth an update here. My Rock Ola 474 (Sybaris, 1978) that was on location is getting a fresh coat of paint and being sold. Although it works great, it was never dependable in the coin (jams)/crediting (ROs first electronic credit unit is known faulty) departments and is best suited for home use. I've got a super good offer on it ($650) and am taking it while the getting is good. It has a Rock-Ola Charlie amp rebuild in it that I'll miss. I have another working amp I may put in and keep the Charlie amp. It has his labels on it and I can't imagine parting with it. The 474 paid my motorcycle parking for my work commute for 2.5 years ($2 a day) plus this last six fifty, so I have no complaints. I bought a Rock Ola 1442 Junior Hi-Fi (50 selections). It's in Florida safely at my friend's place and all there. Worked for the lady for years, then just stopped, so probably an easy fix, and the $150 price tag was unbeatable. Only 1500 made. it came up on his local Craigslist and just seemed too good to pass up, even if I have to ship it here. My AMI G-120 ('55) that is in a used record shop needs to be moved as they had a water heater disaster upstairs and the place needs to be half cleared out for major repairs. No damage to the jukebox, thankfully. I have found a 1950s diner that's begging for it, so it's going back into revenue service for the first time in probably 40 years. I'm a little leery about putting it out, but I don't have the room to store it and don't want to sell it if at all possible. This diner is very popular and all they have is a radio on the counter the owner is itching to get rid of, so it'll be the only source of entertainment. Before that, it's coming home for a week to have the contacts cleaned and be put through the paces. It's been on static display for maybe 2 years, only being fired up every few months by me. Seeburg AY160 that I've been sitting on for 2+ years is going on stage as a prop for a couple weeks. That'll get it out of storage and into my garage and hopefully under repair once it's done being a star. Next up, AMI JAL-200 I've also been sitting on will get finished. Just need to get it put back together. I hope you've all been well. I'll try to check back in over the next couple days. I'm officially late getting out, but it's good to be posting. My warmest wishes to all my old pals here. 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Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Jul 8 11:25:24 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Wed Jul 8 11:27:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: <200907081406348.SM01348@[192.168.1.206]> References: <200907081406348.SM01348@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <001201c9fff9$760ec9b0$622c5d10$@force9.co.uk> Aaron, Ami, and Rowe-Ami used Jensen speakers. However, they also used another make too. The other make are silver and look a bit more substantial. I always wondered whether they just ordered off a few suppliers at the time, as I have done I's, Continentals and early Rowes (JAL/ JBM etcc) - many of them, some with Jensen speakers some with the other type. All I can think of is they had more than one supplier at any one time, as it certainly isn't model related. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Heverin Sent: 08 July 2009 19:07 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Tony, Don't forget that the G you're speaking of is the G-200. The G-120, like the F-120, had a 10 inch woofer mounted in the bottom portion of the cabinet with ports directing the sound out the bottom. The "woofers" in the G-200 are only 8 inch or smaller. I'm restoring one now and I can't remember the exact size since I'm at work. However, I'm absolutly amazed at the amount of bass coming out of those smaller babys. Of course, we can't forget the cross-over network as well. It's the same for both the F and G series into the G-200. What's strange is that with all of the Fs and Gs I've restored, the woofers always remained nameless. They seemed to be simple paper coned beasts... with a plain silver framework. However, I did a few where the woofer was manufactured by Jensen - stamped as such and painted green. I'm wondering if that was an aftermarkt replacement or one that actually came from the factory in the G-120s they came from. I always thought Rock-Ola had the market on Jensen speakers for their jukes. Aaron From jay at west.net Wed Jul 8 11:35:50 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Jul 8 11:37:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's/ Collector Value In-Reply-To: References: <617971.45083.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A54E706.4030104@west.net> Dicecco, Michael wrote: > I've been reading all this discussion about how great sounding the 1950's AMI's are. I have one question though: > > "Why then is this not reflected in the value"? > > It appears that 1950's Seeburgs, Wurlitzer, and Rockola's usually command a much higher price (over AMI's). > > Also, look at the Victory Glass catalogue: there's only a few pages of parts for all AMI's (and this forum often has people looking for AMI parts, presumeably because they have not been reproduced). > > Any explainations from the AMI fans? Is it strictly due to styling or what? IMHO, yes. They're kind of ugly and boxy-looking compared to the others of the vintage. They've got a lot of other things going for them, in addition to the great sound they have a very visible and fun-to-watch mech, nice titleboard, etc. But ugly. Or butt-ugly, your choice. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From steve at pro-ns.net Wed Jul 8 11:43:28 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Wed Jul 8 11:45:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: <200907081406348.SM01348@[192.168.1.206]> References: <200907081406348.SM01348@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <20090708184328.GP10588@pro-ns.net> On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 06:06:58PM +0000, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Tony, > Don't forget that the G you're speaking of is the G-200. The G-120, > like the F-120, had a 10 inch woofer mounted in the bottom portion > of the cabinet with ports directing the sound out the bottom. The > "woofers" in the G-200 are only 8 inch or smaller... I'm absolutly > amazed at the amount of bass coming out of those smaller babys. The F and G-120 is not just a woofer with ports. It's designed as a folded horn. So there are two horns, that's why it says Multi-Horn Hi-Fidelity in that script there. :-) "Horns have been used to extend the low frequency limit of a speaker driver" -- see the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_speaker --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net I*have*never*abused*emacs - it was entirely consentual. -- Jim Muchow From steve at pro-ns.net Wed Jul 8 11:47:26 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Wed Jul 8 11:49:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's/ Collector Value In-Reply-To: <4A54E706.4030104@west.net> References: <617971.45083.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A54E706.4030104@west.net> Message-ID: <20090708184726.GQ10588@pro-ns.net> On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:35:50AM -0700, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Dicecco, Michael wrote: >> I've been reading all this discussion about how great sounding the 1950's AMI's are. I have one question though: >> >> "Why then is this not reflected in the value"? >> >> It appears that 1950's Seeburgs, Wurlitzer, and Rockola's usually >> command a much higher price (over AMI's). >> >> Also, look at the Victory Glass catalogue: there's only a few pages of parts for all AMI's (and this forum often has people looking for AMI parts, presumeably because they have not been reproduced). >> >> Any explainations from the AMI fans? Is it strictly due to styling or what? > > IMHO, yes. They're kind of ugly and boxy-looking compared to the others > of the vintage. > > They've got a lot of other things going for them, in addition to the > great sound they have a very visible and fun-to-watch mech, nice > titleboard, etc. But ugly. Or butt-ugly, your choice. I agree with Jay. I think it was maybe in the AJ guide, someone once wrote that nobody seems to be lukewarm on these, you either love 'em or you hate 'em. IMHO, it makes them a wonderful bargain for those of us who don't mind, or maybe even like, the appearance. --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net There are only 10 kinds of people in this world... those who understand binary and those who don't. -- Unknown From dshort1 at gt.rr.com Wed Jul 8 11:32:55 2009 From: dshort1 at gt.rr.com (David Short) Date: Wed Jul 8 11:51:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] new member Message-ID: Hi, I'm David, from the gulf coast of Texas (near Beaumont) and I'm new to the list. I have two Wurlitzers, a 1700 and a 3300. The 3300 has had the amp rebuilt and plays and sounds great (though the coin box is a little tempermental). The 1700 I have had since 1963. My dad and I worked for a slum loard in Dallas and he had it in a beer joint that we turned into a hotel. I ask what he was going to do with the Jukebox and he said get rid of it, so I took it home. It worked well, all except the coin box, as it was wired for continious play. Well long story short, a few year ago it smoked and quite playing (selector would not work, I could make it play by pulling up one of the plumgers?? on the control part). I have had someone localy look at it and he told me it needs to go in the shop for major surgery. I'm just waiting for him to get around to taking it in (he is taking care of an elderly mom with a lot of problems right now). Well enough of an introduction now. I have some questions to ask about refinishing the cabinet of the 1700, but I'll wait until later. David From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 8 12:00:30 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 8 12:04:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers Message-ID: <20090708.150030.22391.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hello Steve: RE: RO spkrs. Many RockOla 60's-70's jukes used 5x7" oval shaped car stereo spkrs as mid-high frequency speakers. The 5 x 7" size has become less popular in car stereo circles and is generally replaced by either 4 x 6" or 6 x 9" oval speakers if you have the room. In your juke, you don't have the space for the 6x9" size. There are 5 x7" 's still available. You need to match to the efficiency of the speakers to that of the woofers (I assume you still have the RO original 12" speakers) This is why you should not use spkr models that have weighted cones,or long-flex foam suspensions. This type of spkr has reduced efficiency and is designed to obtain more low-bass response from a small-size spkr enclosure. The spkr specification you need to pay attention to is called the EIA sensitivity rating or SPL (sound pressure level) rating, given in Db. This is the measured output of the spkr with a sine-wave tone input at 1watt audio level, measured at 1 meter away from the device. The 5 x 7" spkr for this application should have a 1W/1M rating on the order of 92 to 96 db. It would be nice if you can find a co-axial (center mounted tweeter) model, which might offer brighter ultra-high freq response, but it is not critical. In contrast, you'll see that foam-suspension type spkrs have sensitivities in the low 80 db range---not good for this job. A 5 x 7" spkr choice that I've used for replacement comes from Parts Express (web: www.partsexpress.com) and is their sku # 267-780. It is a Pyle PLX572 spkr. Parts Express probably has a half-dozen other 5 x7" choices if you want to compare them. The PLX572 is the best acoustic match of those given. If you'd rather install smaller 4 x 6" spkrs instead, pay attention to matching the sensitivity rating. Look at the spkr specs and match the numbers if you'd prefer to buy somewhere else. When installing the new spkrs, pay attention to the condition of the in-line freq. limiting caps. They may need replacement. Also pay attention to spkr phasing. The + - terminals of the spkrs of various manufacturers are wired to different standards. Phasing can be checked using a 9V battery. Another viable choice is obtaining good original RO spkrs. Hope this addresses your question fully, Jim Alexander. ____________________________________________________________ Win the battle of the bulge with great liposuction solutions. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWmguw0tkBsfKrcCC4tVoGB587fNvPkzRYKPt5NYudyPsBxgIMZ80/ From jay at west.net Wed Jul 8 12:13:53 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Jul 8 12:15:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Identifying speakers, was: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: <001201c9fff9$760ec9b0$622c5d10$@force9.co.uk> References: <200907081406348.SM01348@[192.168.1.206]> <001201c9fff9$760ec9b0$622c5d10$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A54EFF1.4020403@west.net> Nigel Pugh wrote: > Aaron, > > Ami, and Rowe-Ami used Jensen speakers. However, they also used another make > too. The other make are silver and look a bit more substantial. I always > wondered whether they just ordered off a few suppliers at the time, as I > have done I's, Continentals and early Rowes (JAL/ JBM etcc) - many of them, > some with Jensen speakers some with the other type. All I can think of is > they had more than one supplier at any one time, as it certainly isn't model > related. If you have one of those mystery silver-basket speakers see if there are any numbers on it. These are often a clue to the manufacturer. RMA/RETMA/EIA assigned three-digit codes to manufacturers which are often printed or stamped on the hardware, often as part of a date code. For example if it has a number of 3285704 stamped on it, the speaker was made by Utah in the fourth week of 1957. The date part of the code isn't standard, but likely consistent for a given manufacturer. Speaker EIA Codes: CTS (Chicago Telephone Supply) 137 Jensen 220 Magnavox 232 DuKane (Operadio Corp) 252 Quam (Quam-Nichols) 270 Rola 285 Utah 328 Western Electric 336 Altec Lansing Corp 391 North American Philips (Norelco) 423 Oxford 465 Waldom Electronics 555 Electro-Voice 649 Russell Speaker Co 748 Quincy Speaker Mfr Corp 767 Klipsch 843 University 847 Oaktron 934 A more complete list is here: http://www.triodeel.com/eiacode.htm -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 8 13:15:08 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 8 13:19:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's/ Collector Value Message-ID: <20090708.161508.17355.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: The AMI F & G jukes used a 2 way horn loaded spkr system (bass horn + high freq horn) where the juke cabinet became an integral part of the bass horn. It was a unique system among jukeboxes. The horn loaded concept, while bulky, provided much better acoustical coupling of the spkrs to the air. (hence the efficiency) This type of spkr system will really shine in a large space, where the listener(s) are at least several feet away from the cabinet, where all frequencies will blend together. The system was efficient enough and could project enough to fill a large hall with sound. Optimum sound placement for the juke would be in a room corner, with a hard wood floor surface, as the bass horn vents to the floor. The later AMI jukes compromised the horn design and eventually phased it out in order to reduce the bulk of the cabinet. Hi-fi components, targeted to home use were beginning to appear around this time. Prior to this, serious audiophiles at home had the choice to buying "pro" public address equipment of the day or buying a packaged hi-fi console. As audio gear of the 50's used vacuum tube technology, it was costly to build an amplifier that had high output capability. Most hi-fi amps were on the order of 25-40 watts, just like the jukes. The upper design limit of pro amps at the time was about 100 watts max. To obtain the highest audio efficiency/sound performance, pro speaker manufacturers turned to the use of full-size horn loaded speaker systems. Have you ever seen an old movie theater spkr system that was placed behind the screen? A fully built out Altec "Voice of the theatre" spkr system was approx. 60 cubic feet in size (big enough to park a Volkswagen in it) which was driven by 2 15" woofers and a high freq horn. In the 50's this was the way that sound on film was presented to a big theatre audience of about 500 people, using only 1 40 watt mono tube-type amplifier. Home hi-fi spkr systems, like Klipschorn, the EV Patrician,JBL Paragon,others brought this performance to home use. Back then, plywood (to build cabinets) was cheap, and power amp wattage was expensive---today, it's the opposite. This is a major reason why more performance can be obtained from compact speaker sizes today. (A Bose Wave radio has 25watts/ch output----in 1960 this is how much power was available in a stereo juke) Jensen loudspeakers (a US company at the time) manufactured original equipment driver units to a large number of other electronic equipment makers (i.e. guitar amp makers, Hammond organs, hi-fi console makers in addition to the jukebox guys. Their cone-driver speakers were highly regarded as great sounding for a relatively moderate price. AMI used a 30 watt ElectroVoice (EV) special driver on the HF horn at the time. I believe the EV component part number for the special driver was called a DC30. If you want to buy a new one for replacement, today's part number is an EV 1823M. The 2 8" woofers that I've seen installed in an AMI G-120 were Jensens. In some cases, it is possible that you can obtain extended performance by installing premium-grade pro sound drive units in your juke, such as JBL, EV, Altec, Radian etc. More than likely, it's a good way to burn your cash. It is more important to match the specs of the spkr drivers to that of the jukebox cabinet for best performance, which is probably why you've seen a lot of Jensen and generic-brand speakers (i.e Utah, CTS, Oxford, Quam,etc) used for jukes. The biggest gift that the pro audio drivers bring to the table is power linearity----their sound character remains constant whether there's a 5 watt or a 50 watt + input level. In most situations, home juke owners don't require high output levels like this.the high levels aren't possible because of feedback limitations. In comm'l situations, the juke is interfaced with a restaurant or bar's built-in sound system, in order to extend the sound coverage uniformly throughout the room. Last,great audio quality is what is perceived by the critical listener. Some prefer the sound of a transformer-coupled tube amp playing into a full-sized classic spkr system. Others prefer the crisp sound of a direct-coupled solid state amp playing a digital music source into a modern time-aligned compact speaker system. Just my 25 cents worth JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Lose up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrD3bd1YJONFkb4w3aTfu36LvgWVzVRZAja7tLrP042deJtzZzq/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 8 13:36:11 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 8 13:39:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Identifying speakers, was: Great Sound Of Early AMI 's Message-ID: <20090708.163611.17355.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: This looks like a pretty complete list of most speaker manufacturers that were building O.E.M. speaker products at the time. Wurlitzer had many of their 50-60's speakers made to order by Oxford, some were Jensen. Rock Ola used lots of Jensen drive units but used a few others. I believe Seeburg was using CTS as a major speaker source. The early 60's AMI, and Rowe-AMI's (the stereo-round models) seemed to use a lot of Quam speaker products. There were some cases where the 50's AMI horn loaded jukes were not well-liked----when they were put in small-area restaurants, bars etc Their "big"square looks weren't appreciated. In a small confined space, the horn loaded spkr system was a poor acoustic match and had a harsh strident tone quality. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You have a right to seek justice! Click here to find experienced lawyers across the USA. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbp14zAUi0bUyjbZ59xoJxOkL0X5HVcQrN6p09r5pLGkMCLMxVc5a/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 8 13:39:04 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 8 13:41:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] new member Message-ID: <20090708.163904.17355.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> David: Welcome to the 'hood. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to get free auto insurance quotes from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVuaDkINeDIGeRu8mzZ4PEccos5v2BRr6Nt45XL2oXAJxqsqrcAKE/ From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Wed Jul 8 13:46:43 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed Jul 8 13:48:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <429967.83155.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The reason why the AMI model G does not have alot of value is because its nothing more then a "Fish Tank" to look at before I had my G-200 my buddy had and still has a Model G-120 and we had some beers and set it on his lawn at Halloween and put plastic fish on fishing line and put a blue gel over the florecent tube inside.. as I have always called it the fish tank we thought it would be a hoot.. we played Halloween songs in it for the kids and everyone got a charge out of.. thought I would share that with everyone. ? regards, Tony --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Steve Wahl wrote: From: Steve Wahl Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 2:43 PM On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 06:06:58PM +0000, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Tony, > Don't forget that the G you're speaking of is the G-200. The G-120, > like the F-120, had a 10 inch woofer mounted in the bottom portion > of the cabinet with ports directing the sound out the bottom. The > "woofers" in the G-200 are only 8 inch or smaller...? I'm absolutly > amazed at the amount of bass coming out of those smaller babys. The F and G-120 is not just a woofer with ports.? It's designed as a folded horn.? So there are two horns, that's why it says Multi-Horn Hi-Fidelity in that script there. :-) "Horns have been used to extend the low frequency limit of a speaker driver" -- see the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_speaker --> Steve -- Steve Wahl? ? steve@pro-ns.net I*have*never*abused*emacs - it was entirely consentual.? -- Jim Muchow _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Wed Jul 8 13:47:35 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed Jul 8 13:49:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <111681.39907.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ok your right I stand corrected as I have the G-200 --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 2:06 PM Tony, Don't forget that the G you're speaking of is the G-200. The G-120, like the F-120, had a 10 inch woofer mounted in the bottom portion of the cabinet with ports directing the sound out the bottom. The "woofers" in the G-200 are only 8 inch or smaller. I'm restoring one now and I can't remember the exact size since I'm at work. However, I'm absolutly amazed at the amount of bass coming out of those smaller babys. Of course, we can't forget the cross-over network as well. It's the same for both the F and G series into the G-200. What's strange is that with all of the Fs and Gs I've restored, the woofers always remained nameless. They seemed to be simple paper coned beasts... with a plain silver framework. However, I did a few where the woofer was manufactured by Jensen - stamped as such and painted green. I'm wondering if that was an aftermarkt replacement or one that actually came from the factory in the G-120s they came from. I always thought Rock-Ola had the market on Jensen speakers for their jukes. Aaron -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! 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Many RockOla 60's-70's jukes used 5x7" oval shaped car stereo spkrs as mid-high frequency speakers. The 5 x 7" size has become less popular in car stereo circles and is generally replaced by either 4 x 6" or 6 x 9" oval speakers if you have the room. In your juke, you don't have the space for the 6x9" size. There are 5 x7" 's still available. You need to match to the efficiency of the speakers to that of the woofers (I assume you still have the RO original 12" speakers) This is why you should not use spkr models that have weighted cones,or long-flex foam suspensions. This type of spkr has reduced efficiency and is designed to obtain more low-bass response from a small-size spkr enclosure. The spkr specification you need to pay attention to is called the EIA sensitivity rating or SPL (sound pressure level) rating, given in Db. This is the measured output of the spkr with a sine-wave tone input at 1watt audio level, measured at 1 meter away from the device. The 5 x 7" spkr for this application should have a 1W/1M rating on the order of 92 to 96 db. It would be nice if you can find a co-axial (center mounted tweeter) model, which might offer brighter ultra-high freq response, but it is not critical. In contrast, you'll see that foam-suspension type spkrs have sensitivities in the low 80 db range---not good for this job. A 5 x 7" spkr choice that I've used for replacement comes from Parts Express (web: www.partsexpress.com) and is their sku # 267-780. It is a Pyle PLX572 spkr. Parts Express probably has a half-dozen other 5 x7" choices if you want to compare them. The PLX572 is the best acoustic match of those given. If you'd rather install smaller 4 x 6" spkrs instead, pay attention to matching the sensitivity rating. Look at the spkr specs and match the numbers if you'd prefer to buy somewhere else. When installing the new spkrs, pay attention to the condition of the in-line freq. limiting caps. They may need replacement. Also pay attention to spkr phasing. The + - terminals of the spkrs of various manufacturers are wired to different standards. Phasing can be checked using a 9V battery. Another viable choice is obtaining good original RO spkrs. Hope this addresses your question fully, Jim Alexander. ____________________________________________________________ Win the battle of the bulge with great liposuction solutions. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWmguw0tkBsfKrcCC4tVoGB587fNvPkzRYKPt5NYudyPsBxgIMZ80/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 8 16:09:48 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 8 16:14:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers Message-ID: <20090708.190948.5584.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Steve: On the surface, that sounds like the mounting dimensions for a 5 x 7" speaker. I'm not sure about a 426---That's one of the Grand Prix models isn't it? Most 60's-70's RO models did use 5 x 7" upper spkrs. If you go to the Parts Express website I referenced in my other letter, you can click on the speaker specs for measurement---maybe that will better answer your size-compatibility question. The spkr part number I listed in that email will retrofit the RO 5 x 7" size.---It should be a bolt-in changeout. The last oval spkrs I changed out were in a model 450. 5 x 7" car speakers usually have more than one set of mounting tabs. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Grow your small business with email marketing. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRNw1NZgd97Ce942kFTqmYyMP7NO5nXFwuDWJAibgSpjXoP4qlzQc/ From ccos at knology.net Wed Jul 8 16:26:13 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Jul 8 16:28:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers In-Reply-To: <20090708.190948.5584.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090708.190948.5584.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Jim and Steve, The mounting holes in the 5x7 speakers in my Coronado 431, which I think are the same as the 426, are not like standard 5x7 speakers. There are only two holes, one in the middle on each end of the 7 inch dimension. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers Steve: On the surface, that sounds like the mounting dimensions for a 5 x 7" speaker. I'm not sure about a 426---That's one of the Grand Prix models isn't it? Most 60's-70's RO models did use 5 x 7" upper spkrs. If you go to the Parts Express website I referenced in my other letter, you can click on the speaker specs for measurement---maybe that will better answer your size-compatibility question. The spkr part number I listed in that email will retrofit the RO 5 x 7" size.---It should be a bolt-in changeout. The last oval spkrs I changed out were in a model 450. 5 x 7" car speakers usually have more than one set of mounting tabs. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Grow your small business with email marketing. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRNw1NZgd97Ce942kFTqmYyMP7NO5nXFwuDWJAibgSpjXoP4qlzQc/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Jul 8 16:38:08 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Jul 8 16:39:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers In-Reply-To: References: <20090708.190948.5584.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4A552DE0.3030205@west.net> CCOS wrote: > Jim and Steve, > > The mounting holes in the 5x7 speakers in my Coronado 431, which I think > are the same as the 426, are not like standard 5x7 speakers. There are > only two holes, one in the middle on each end of the 7 inch dimension. Like the two holes on the long ends of these? http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=265-290 A lot of the car speakers have multiple mounting options to fit several OEM vehicle cutouts. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jul 8 16:38:31 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jul 8 16:40:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <808163.8942.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Seeburg used Jensens too--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:25 AM Aaron, Ami, and Rowe-Ami used Jensen speakers. However, they also used another make too. The other make are silver and look a bit more substantial. I always wondered whether they just ordered off a few suppliers at the time, as I have done I's, Continentals and early Rowes (JAL/ JBM etcc) - many of them, some with Jensen speakers some with the other type. All I can think of is they had more than one supplier at any one time, as it certainly isn't model related. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Heverin Sent: 08 July 2009 19:07 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Tony, Don't forget that the G you're speaking of is the G-200. The G-120, like the F-120, had a 10 inch woofer mounted in the bottom portion of the cabinet with ports directing the sound out the bottom. The "woofers" in the G-200 are only 8 inch or smaller. I'm restoring one now and I can't remember the exact size since I'm at work. However, I'm absolutly amazed at the amount of bass coming out of those smaller babys. Of course, we can't forget the cross-over network as well. It's the same for both the F and G series into the G-200. What's strange is that with all of the Fs and Gs I've restored, the woofers always remained nameless. They seemed to be simple paper coned beasts... with a plain silver framework. However, I did a few where the woofer was manufactured by Jensen - stamped as such and painted green. I'm wondering if that was an aftermarkt replacement or one that actually came from the factory in the G-120s they came from. I always thought Rock-Ola had the market on Jensen speakers for their jukes. Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Jul 8 16:54:54 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Jul 8 16:56:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: <808163.8942.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <808163.8942.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A5531CE.3090500@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Seeburg used Jensens too--Ron Rich The speakers in my Seeburg R have Utah EIA codes. I'm pretty sure they're original as they have the pin-socket style connectors instead of generic tabs. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ccos at knology.net Wed Jul 8 17:07:28 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Jul 8 17:08:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers In-Reply-To: <4A552DE0.3030205@west.net> References: <20090708.190948.5584.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> <4A552DE0.3030205@west.net> Message-ID: <8231D64C980B416B93429DFC82907D3F@CCOSPC> Oppps..........I meant Jay........sorry 'bout that Jay Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers > CCOS wrote: >> Jim and Steve, >> >> The mounting holes in the 5x7 speakers in my Coronado 431, which I think >> are the same as the 426, are not like standard 5x7 speakers. There are >> only two holes, one in the middle on each end of the 7 inch dimension. > > Like the two holes on the long ends of these? > > http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=265-290 > > A lot of the car speakers have multiple mounting options to fit several > OEM vehicle cutouts. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Wed Jul 8 17:06:56 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Jul 8 17:08:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers In-Reply-To: <4A552DE0.3030205@west.net> References: <20090708.190948.5584.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> <4A552DE0.3030205@west.net> Message-ID: <550BDB846E414963973122FC0444E5B4@CCOSPC> Jim, They're not just like that, but those might work Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers > CCOS wrote: >> Jim and Steve, >> >> The mounting holes in the 5x7 speakers in my Coronado 431, which I think >> are the same as the 426, are not like standard 5x7 speakers. There are >> only two holes, one in the middle on each end of the 7 inch dimension. > > Like the two holes on the long ends of these? > > http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=265-290 > > A lot of the car speakers have multiple mounting options to fit several > OEM vehicle cutouts. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From y2kvette at verizon.net Wed Jul 8 17:12:16 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Wed Jul 8 17:13:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers References: <20090708.190948.5584.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> <4A552DE0.3030205@west.net> Message-ID: <00c101ca0029$eb2e2710$0701a8c0@CaysLaptop> I have to apologize to everyone on this forum. I had a "brain fart". My original Rockola speaker part # 40209-1 is a 7"x5" not what I said earlier. The original has only two mounting holes on the long end. The 6 mounting hole speakers will definitely work. James Alexander said to use the Pyle PLX572, and it looks very good, but it is a 4 ohm speaker. I thought I read somewhere that Rockola speakers were 16 ohm? Jim how does one test the polarity of the speaker with a 9v battery. Most new speakers I've seen have + and - labeled on the speaker terminal, but of course the original one does not. You guys are SUPER help. Thanks, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers > CCOS wrote: >> Jim and Steve, >> >> The mounting holes in the 5x7 speakers in my Coronado 431, which I think >> are the same as the 426, are not like standard 5x7 speakers. There are >> only two holes, one in the middle on each end of the 7 inch dimension. > > Like the two holes on the long ends of these? > > http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=265-290 > > A lot of the car speakers have multiple mounting options to fit several > OEM vehicle cutouts. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Wed Jul 8 17:20:09 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Jul 8 17:21:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers In-Reply-To: <00c101ca0029$eb2e2710$0701a8c0@CaysLaptop> References: <20090708.190948.5584.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> <4A552DE0.3030205@west.net> <00c101ca0029$eb2e2710$0701a8c0@CaysLaptop> Message-ID: <5FD06CD8804D454698BB09545F669B4E@CCOSPC> Steve, I didn't measure the speakers in the 431 that I have, but I'm betting they are the same. let me know if you want me to check further. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Kline" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers >I have to apologize to everyone on this forum. > I had a "brain fart". > My original Rockola speaker part # 40209-1 is a 7"x5" not what I said > earlier. > The original has only two mounting holes on the long end. The 6 mounting > hole speakers will definitely work. > James Alexander said to use the Pyle PLX572, and it looks very good, but > it is a 4 ohm speaker. I thought I read somewhere that Rockola speakers > were 16 ohm? > > Jim how does one test the polarity of the speaker with a 9v battery. Most > new speakers I've seen have + and - labeled on the speaker terminal, but > of course the original one does not. > > You guys are SUPER help. > Thanks, > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Hennigan" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers > > >> CCOS wrote: >>> Jim and Steve, >>> >>> The mounting holes in the 5x7 speakers in my Coronado 431, which I think >>> are the same as the 426, are not like standard 5x7 speakers. There are >>> only two holes, one in the middle on each end of the 7 inch dimension. >> >> Like the two holes on the long ends of these? >> >> http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=265-290 >> >> A lot of the car speakers have multiple mounting options to fit several >> OEM vehicle cutouts. >> >> -- >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Jul 8 17:40:05 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Jul 8 17:41:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 148 Message-ID: <931414.35042.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: > Turn the motor coupling by hand - it > takes a while but is safe. Once you run > it through one cycle, you can just plug the motor directly > into a wall outlet. Good luck, I am far from an expert on Freborg Seeburgs, but I thought from some initial playing around with mine that there is a point at which the mechanism will bind up for want of an electrical signal from a switch somewhere in the cycle (as I recall, right after the tray slides out). I had to back-turn mine quite a bit when I discovered this. (Or, it may have been a mechanical part binding that I mistood for another problem.) I have a 148 hideaway unit that I'm intending to restore, but it seems for now to be perpetually my *next* project. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Jul 8 18:06:58 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:08:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <624577.93491.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > The "woofers" in the G-200 are only 8 > inch or smaller. I'm restoring one now and I can't remember > the exact size since I'm at work. However, I'm absolutly > amazed at the amount of bass coming out of those smaller > babys. You can do amazing things with a well-engineered horn. I got to hear a Victor Orthophonic Victrola "Credenza" model at the Elridge Johnson museum in Dover, Delaware. You'd swear you were listening to an electric phonograph; but it was all accoustic, driven by the 3" diaphragm in the reproducer. The Credenza had the largest folded exponential-crossection horn in any home record player. The horn was designed by engineers at Bell Labs. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Jul 8 18:14:01 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:15:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's/ Collector Value Message-ID: <40716.43390.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > I've been reading all this discussion > about how great sounding the 1950's AMI's are. I have one > question though: > > "Why then is this not reflected in the value"? Truth be told, most people buy a jukebox to look at. The pre-Jetsons AMIs don't look like what people expect in a 1950s jukebox. The G is a real sleeper. An astute buyer can advantage of that. From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Wed Jul 8 18:21:00 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:22:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <945096.77153.qm@web111501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You might want to investigate Paul Klipsh too.. I amo not without doubt he may have had a hand on these AMI machines. ? Tony --- On Wed, 7/8/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 9:06 PM --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > The "woofers" in the G-200 are only 8 > inch or smaller. I'm restoring one now and I can't remember > the exact size since I'm at work. However, I'm absolutly > amazed at the amount of bass coming out of those smaller > babys. You can do amazing things with a well-engineered horn. I got to hear a Victor Orthophonic Victrola "Credenza" model at the Elridge Johnson museum in Dover, Delaware. You'd swear you were listening to an electric phonograph; but it was all accoustic, driven by the 3" diaphragm in the reproducer.? The Credenza had the largest folded exponential-crossection horn in any home record player. The horn was designed by engineers at Bell Labs. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 8 18:24:27 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:27:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: <945096.77153.qm@web111501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <945096.77153.qm@web111501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9F72A0450BA74BE0BDB99C5AF9C83081@WilliamHPLap> Maybe so! It sure as heck wasn't Arnie Nudell! Not with those horns! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's You might want to investigate Paul Klipsh too.. I amo not without doubt he may have had a hand on these AMI machines. Tony --- On Wed, 7/8/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 9:06 PM --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > The "woofers" in the G-200 are only 8 > inch or smaller. I'm restoring one now and I can't remember > the exact size since I'm at work. However, I'm absolutly > amazed at the amount of bass coming out of those smaller > babys. You can do amazing things with a well-engineered horn. I got to hear a Victor Orthophonic Victrola "Credenza" model at the Elridge Johnson museum in Dover, Delaware. You'd swear you were listening to an electric phonograph; but it was all accoustic, driven by the 3" diaphragm in the reproducer. The Credenza had the largest folded exponential-crossection horn in any home record player. The horn was designed by engineers at Bell Labs. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Wed Jul 8 18:26:40 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:28:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <707338.97538.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Believe it or not there was a fair number of Rockolas (1969 model 440) for sure.. uses Utah's.. they make that machine.. they really are a good speaker.. but as my last posting says.. Electro-Voice over all speakers sound the best.. (keep in mind you would want to match them to your jukebox before going out willy nilly an buying any Electro-Voice you see).. I always opt for the older ones that need only low wattage to drive them.. anything from 25 watts RMS to 50 watts should be perfect. ? Tony --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 7:38 PM Seeburg used Jensens too--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:25 AM Aaron, Ami, and Rowe-Ami used Jensen speakers. However, they also used another make too. The other make are silver and look a bit more substantial. I always wondered whether they just ordered off a few suppliers at the time, as I have done I's, Continentals and early Rowes (JAL/ JBM etcc) - many of them, some with Jensen speakers some with the other type. All I can think of is they had more than one supplier at any one time, as it certainly isn't model related. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Heverin Sent: 08 July 2009 19:07 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Tony, Don't forget that the G you're speaking of is the G-200. The G-120, like the F-120, had a 10 inch woofer mounted in the bottom portion of the cabinet with ports directing the sound out the bottom. The "woofers" in the G-200 are only 8 inch or smaller. I'm restoring one now and I can't remember the exact size since I'm at work. However, I'm absolutly amazed at the amount of bass coming out of those smaller babys. Of course, we can't forget the cross-over network as well. It's the same for both the F and G series into the G-200. What's strange is that with all of the Fs and Gs I've restored, the woofers always remained nameless. They seemed to be simple paper coned beasts... with a plain silver framework. However, I did a few where the woofer was manufactured by Jensen - stamped as such and painted green. I'm wondering if that was an aftermarkt replacement or one that actually came from the factory in the G-120s they came from. I always thought Rock-Ola had the market on Jensen speakers for their jukes. Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Wed Jul 8 18:31:45 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:40:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: <624577.93491.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <624577.93491.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBCE4C27D652A7-11CC-D97@webmail-mh34.sysops.aol.com> If and when I ever get my E up and running... can it/will it sound decent? -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2009 8:06 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > The "woofers" in the G-200 are only 8 > inch or smaller. I'm restoring one now and I can't remember > the exact size since I'm at work. However, I'm absolutly > amazed at the amount of bass coming out of those smaller > babys. You can do amazing things with a well-engineered horn. I got to hear a Victor Orthophonic Victrola "Credenza" model at the Elridge Johnson museum in Dover, Delaware. You'd swear you were listening to an electric phonograph; but it was all accoustic, driven by the 3" diaphragm in the reproducer. The Credenza had the largest folded exponential-crossection horn in any home record player. The horn was designed by engineers at Bell Labs. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Wed Jul 8 18:39:26 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:41:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 In-Reply-To: "William Hill" 's message of Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:20:04 -0400 Message-ID: <6425-4A554A4E-1709@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Well Bill, I guess im not cut-out to be a decal guy. I went thru 3 sets of them and the last one I put on turned out marginal at best. I got tired of re-stripping the front door and paid big bucks for 3 complete sets of them. I followed the directions exactly. Lacquer, etc. Maybe you have the knack for it, but I sure dont. I think they are made way too flimsy. Just my opinion. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From Trollmasters at webtv.net Wed Jul 8 18:44:19 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:45:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: jhayes2613@aol.com's message of Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:31:45 -0400 Message-ID: <6426-4A554B73-1519@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> I had an E and it sounded pretty good. I think the 50s Rockolas sound good though too. I have a 1438 and a 1448 and they both sound really good. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 8 19:00:11 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Wed Jul 8 19:02:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 In-Reply-To: <6425-4A554A4E-1709@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <6425-4A554A4E-1709@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <21C231E540404A0C8B2D604C2CD17274@WilliamHPLap> Jim, Where are you located? William ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 > Well Bill, I guess im not cut-out to be a decal guy. I went thru 3 sets > of them and the last one I put on turned out marginal at best. I got > tired of re-stripping the front door and paid big bucks for 3 complete > sets of them. I followed the directions exactly. Lacquer, etc. Maybe > you have the knack for it, but I sure dont. I think they are made way > too flimsy. Just my opinion. Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Wed Jul 8 19:05:22 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Wed Jul 8 19:06:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 In-Reply-To: "William Hill" 's message of Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:00:11 -0400 Message-ID: <6426-4A555062-1558@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Mercer, Pa. North of Pittsburgh a bit. E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From webmaster at guestwho.com Wed Jul 8 19:13:33 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Wed Jul 8 19:15:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2600 test speakers Message-ID: <1C2796D2D58A493489CEFB668CCFEE0B@CHRISLAPTOP> Looking for a cheap pair of speakers (just the cones, not enclosures) for testing the Wurlitzer 543 amp. I was just wondering what kinda power level they should be rated for ? 40 to 50W seems common when I search for "vintage speaker" on ebay - modern speakers are more like 1000W. I am guessing if a speaker is rated for 1000W, it's probably gonna take about half that much power to drive it ? (ie. 500W) The listings don't mention whether the rating is peak or RMS (yes I'm aware "peak" ratings are usually fictional values used by marketing) Chris From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 8 19:14:42 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Wed Jul 8 19:17:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 In-Reply-To: <6426-4A555062-1558@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <6426-4A555062-1558@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <2342E681B9534D39ADB7DFDC37ACBF6C@WilliamHPLap> CT here. A little far for a day job. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 > Mercer, Pa. North of Pittsburgh a bit. > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jul 8 20:06:12 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jul 8 20:07:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg KD Problem Message-ID: <655028.40541.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Brian, Probably a poor contact in the 4th switch at the rear of the drum-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/7/09, The Roths wrote: From: The Roths Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg KD Problem To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 11:12 AM I recently sold and delivered a KD-200 that I had had for many years.? At the beginning of the set up the five rotary drum switches worked correctly. Sometime later, I think as I moved the back door, the #4 (forth from the left) switch began to turn the drum continuously when pressed.? The other 4 switches work and stop as they should.? I later tried a set of switches from a VL and the same thing happened, so that seems to eliminate the switch itself as being the problem.? I have the manual but have problems troubleshooting electrical problems.? Can anyone suggest what may have happened, point me in the direction of where to look for the problem, and help me get the problem fixed.? The new owner is being patient so far, but I do need to get this worked out.? Any help would be appreciated. Brian Roth _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 8 20:17:22 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Jul 8 20:19:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg KD Problem References: <8F4327BE0DE543E5A18BA97080BF831B@home> Message-ID: <004301ca0043$c75a1960$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Remove the drum from the machine. Looking at the left end, there is a little metal cover you must remove to get to the classification switches. I'll bet the switch for position 4 is not opening when it reaches that position. If that is not it, the cable that runs along the bottom of the drum could have been pinched and shorted that switch. If that is not it, it could be that the detent switch is opening a bit too late, so inertia allows the drum to overtravel, closing the detent switch and allowing the drum to rotate through the cycle again. The motor coupling is spring loaded, and if the shaft is gummy, the motor will not disconnect from the drive train in time, also allowing the drum to overtravel. I would think you would see this on other positions, though. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Roths" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:12 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg KD Problem >I recently sold and delivered a KD-200 that I had had for many years. At > the beginning of the set up the five rotary drum switches worked > correctly. > Sometime later, I think as I moved the back door, the #4 (forth from the > left) switch began to turn the drum continuously when pressed. The other > 4 > switches work and stop as they should. I later tried a set of switches > from > a VL and the same thing happened, so that seems to eliminate the switch > itself as being the problem. I have the manual but have problems > troubleshooting electrical problems. Can anyone suggest what may have > happened, point me in the direction of where to look for the problem, and > help me get the problem fixed. The new owner is being patient so far, but > I > do need to get this worked out. Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Brian Roth > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Wed Jul 8 22:48:01 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Jul 8 22:49:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers In-Reply-To: <00c101ca0029$eb2e2710$0701a8c0@CaysLaptop> References: <20090708.190948.5584.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> <4A552DE0.3030205@west.net> <00c101ca0029$eb2e2710$0701a8c0@CaysLaptop> Message-ID: <4A558491.1040607@west.net> Steve Kline wrote: > Jim how does one test the polarity of the speaker with a 9v battery. > Most new speakers I've seen have + and - labeled on the speaker > terminal, but of course the original one does not. Use a flashlight battery, D, C or AA. A 9-volt might work but is a bit high in DC and could damage the speaker. It will also deplete the battery much faster. Observe the cone and *briefly* connect the battery to the speaker terminals. When the battery is initially connected the cone will either move in or out. If it moves in, reverse the battery so that the cone moves outward when the battery is connected and returns to rest when disconnected. Mark the terminal you connected to the battery positive with a red dot or + mark. Think: Positive voltage produces positive cone movement and thus positive air pressure. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Wed Jul 8 23:14:25 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Jul 8 23:15:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2600 test speakers In-Reply-To: <1C2796D2D58A493489CEFB668CCFEE0B@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <1C2796D2D58A493489CEFB668CCFEE0B@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4A558AC1.4050007@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > Looking for a cheap pair of speakers (just the cones, not enclosures) > for testing the Wurlitzer 543 amp. I was just wondering what kinda power > level they should be rated for ? > > 40 to 50W seems common when I search for "vintage speaker" on ebay - > modern speakers are more like 1000W. I am guessing if a speaker is rated > for 1000W, it's probably gonna take about half that much power to drive > it ? (ie. 500W) For test speakers you can pick up a pair of home stereo speakers at a thrift store relatively cheaply. Occasionally there are some real bargains. I got a pair of Canadian Energy brand speakers (very nice bookshelf speakers) for $5 and a pair of Infinity Kappa 7s (sweet 3-way floorstanders with ribbon tweeters) for $20. If the woofers have foam surrounds you will probably have to replace them, I did with the Infinitys. The 543 puts out something around 20 watts per channel. Just about anything will work, try to find speakers rated for 8-ohm impedance. The older stuff is generally higher quality and more likely to be 8 ohm impedance. Look for brands such as Advent, Dynaco, and Sansui. If you see anything made by Klipsch at a thrift store buy it. Most of these are large, but they have a model called "Heresy" that is a very nice performer in a reasonable size. The sound people are raving about in the AMI G is what you'll get with Klipsch. Most of the good old-school brand names such as Marantz, KLH, Fisher, etc. have been bought up within the last 20 years by other companies. The quality isn't at all what it used to be, so be careful. On the other hand a local thrift store pair of speakers will probably go for under $20 and you won't have to pay shipping as you would on EBay. You might even be able to listen to them in the store. As a general rule binding posts = good, spring clips = not so good. > The listings don't mention whether the rating is peak or RMS (yes I'm > aware "peak" ratings are usually fictional values used by marketing) I wouldn't worry too much about it. Don't buy 4-ohm speakers for testing that amplifier, get 8-ohm units. The power ratings on speakers are all over the map, some refer to the minimum recommended amplifier power and others to the maximum. More recent speakers designed for solid-state gear tend to be 4-ohm. Some speakers are relatively inefficient, meaning that it takes more power to produce the same sound level. If you listen loud or have a large room, an underpowered amplifier coupled with inefficient speakers will "clip" or distort at high volumes. This causes high frequency artifacts that can damage the tweeters. It also sounds rather nasty. Cerwin-Vega speakers are very efficient, meaning that they will be quite loud even with a low powered amplifier, but their fidelity can be lacking for a purist. (But, hey, this is a jukebox!) For bench testing of amplifiers just about any 8-ohm speaker will do the job. For critical listening and evaluation you can use headphones wired to a load resistor and attenuator. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Jul 9 06:04:22 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Thu Jul 9 05:59:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI Sound... a D or E compared to an F or G Message-ID: <200907090904422.SM00700@[192.168.1.206]> I have a D and an E. With only a few subtle changes, my understanding is that they both have basically the same sound system with a single 15 inch "full range" speaker. They sound good, but could definately use improvements. This is only MY opinion and should not be taken as gospel, but an AMI D-40 - if you have one - should be left on playing 78s because of the single speaker. But a D-80, or E-80/120 could be converted to play Hi-Fi - or even stereo - but the mod would be a little tricky. But true to life, the E sounds good... but it's NOT Hi-Fi like the F and G. Converting the tone-arm to a Shure or Pickering cartridge wouldn't be a fruitful upgrade. Sure.... stereo records would track... but out of a single full range speaker... I myself wouldn't do it. Again, my opinion. Now that I think of it, the tone arm on these guys IS a little different... but if you have some parts from an F or G laying around, I imagine you could put in an R-145 amp with the crossover in the D or E. Of course, you'd have to work out the muting system and all... but it should be a relatively simple conversion ESPECIALLY since the D and E are pretty cool looking jukes with the color gels inside. You could actually swap out the E's Model 700 mech with an F or G's Model 800 mech... then you'd be all set. They are completely interchangable. Aaron From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Jul 9 06:02:58 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Jul 9 06:04:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI Sound... a D or E compared to an F or G Message-ID: <216796.16125.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Don't ever be fooled by a full range speaker. There are some fantastic ones out there like Coral, Peerless, Utah, (some Jensens). Which could be subbed in to give you better sound. ? Tony --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI Sound... a D or E compared to an F or G To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 9:04 AM I have a D and an E. With only a few subtle changes, my understanding is that they both have basically the same sound system with a single 15 inch "full range" speaker. They sound good, but could definately use improvements. This is only MY opinion and should not be taken as gospel, but an AMI D-40 - if you have one - should be left on playing 78s because of the single speaker. But a D-80, or E-80/120 could be converted to play Hi-Fi - or even stereo -? but the mod would be a little tricky. But true to life, the E sounds good... but it's NOT Hi-Fi like the F and G. Converting the tone-arm to a Shure or Pickering cartridge wouldn't be a fruitful upgrade. Sure.... stereo records would track... but out of a single full range speaker... I myself wouldn't do it. Again, my opinion. Now that I think of it, the tone arm on these guys IS a little different... but if you have some parts from an F or G laying around, I imagine you could put in an R-145 amp with the crossover in the D or E. Of course, you'd have to work out the muting system and all... but it should be a relatively simple conversion ESPECIALLY since the D and E are pretty cool looking jukes with the color gels inside. You could actually swap out the E's Model 700 mech with an F or G's Model 800 mech... then you'd be all set. They are completely interchangable. Aaron -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Jul 9 07:43:53 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Jul 9 07:45:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI Sound... a D or E compared to an F or G Message-ID: <95073.18345.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > I have a D and an E. With only a few > subtle changes, my understanding is that they both have > basically the same sound system with a single 15 inch "full > range" speaker. They sound good, but could definately use > improvements. Do these machines have magnetic or ceramic pickups? > This is only MY opinion and should not be > taken as gospel, but an AMI D-40 - if you have one - should > be left on playing 78s because of the single speaker. I've always wanted an F-40 or G-40. It would have to be the best sounding 78 machine possible. Some 78s from the 50s have excellent frequency range. In fact, I've found a surprising number of records from the 50s where the 78 sounds better than the 45 version of the same song. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jul 9 09:09:29 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jul 9 09:12:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers Message-ID: <20090709.120929.11051.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I was trying to express the fact that spkr manufacturers do not observe any standard when winding their voice coils. The US industry has discussed having a conventional standard but never acted on it. Since manufacture of electronic parts have become global there's more phasing variations than ever. Applying a battery's + voltage to the "plus" or red terminal on a spkr may cause the voice coil/cone assy to either push forward or pull back. I was recommending the check with a battery in order to confirm the polarity. This test for Steve wold be needed since he was looking to introduce new replacement drive units into his 2 way spkr system.With a battery test ,all spkr cones in the system should move in step with each other. When he replaces his spkrs, he should try to stay as close to the original cone size (area in sq. in) as practical, if making a size substitution. Dropping to a significantly smaller size spkr (someon suggested a 3" round tweeter in this thread)will change the sound character of the spkr system. Most RO's that use 5 x 7" upper spkrs are crossing them in around 400Hz. The 12" woofers get full bandwidth. Each paper cone spkr needs to be battery tested individually for phase as the DC voltage won't pass thru a crossover network or hi-pass capacitor. The test could be performed either with a 1.5 volt or a 9V battery.I prefer the 9V battery,as it will cause more cone movement. Since the battery voltage is applied usually just for a few seconds, current drain or spkr damage shouldn't be a concern. As an aside,that doesn't apply in this situation,the battery test should not be applied to cone tweeters or compression drivers or damage could occur. Other phase check methods need to be used for this. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save on a home Heating and Cooling System. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTSeMlIpPtT1eu0WqiZz3t7t6Ifm2JDLY4G8w7SXoniQbg5Z2s7pG/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jul 9 09:29:09 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jul 9 09:33:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 426 Speakers Message-ID: <20090709.122909.11051.1@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Somebody pointed out that the Pyle PLX572 spkr I recommended is a 4 ohm device. My bad. It is important that impedance matching is maintained in the system. An RO service manual I checked doesn't give the impedance of the 5 x 7" spkr but it shows the overall impedance of the spkr system (a 12" woofer + the 5 x 7") is 8 ohms. Most likely the 5 x 7" spkr is 16 0hms. If you wanted to use the Pyle unit in your system , an 8 ohm hi-power series resistor would make the system impedance appear to be 8 ohms to the amplifier, but would result in a 3db level drop to the 5 x 7" spkr. This will probably not be enough to be noticeable to the average listener. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free info on Graduate Degrees. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXTBSJEwiKYuNTEbCqmPR0BqUAvz7jPvAuGShvaSodEu1RD5MkYYQ/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jul 9 10:06:48 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jul 9 10:10:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI Sound... a D or E compared to an F or G Message-ID: <20090709.130648.23039.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> AMI D & E models had ceramic cartridges. I think they were the Astatic 51-1's. If you would like to extend the high frequency response of your juke that uses a single cone 15" speaker, consider installing a 15" co-axial (2 way spkr, with crossover network) to replace it. It's a question of how carefully you wish to stay true to the original design and technology. It will make your 78 RPM juke have a stronger mid-range/high freq presence like the "hi-fi" multi-speaker jukes of the later 50's. These single speaker machines have a bass-heavy mellow tone character to them. No changes need to be made to the amp. It will make a big difference in the sound of your machine. Installing a 15" co-ax spkr is generally a bolt-in change (you can go back to the orig spkr setup if you choose to)Expect to spend about $250 or more to buy an Eminence Beta CX , Selenium or B & C brand coax spkr with the crossover and HF driver. US Pro Sound brands like JBL, ElectroVoice,etc, will cost more than that. I'll get into more specifics if you want to pursue this further. Some late 50's recordings issued as 78's probably did sound better than their 45 counterparts. Towards the end of the 50's 78's were pressed on vinyl instead of shellac. The vinyl records were advertised as non-breakable, but also had the much lower surface noise, attributable to the 45/LP vinyl technology. Because of the fast record speed and the large surface area (10") a punchy, crisp sounding recording (what most pop record producers want to hear) could be pressed on 78. The problem you'll run into now is finding copies of these in good condition. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save on Cell Phones. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXlpaiTRWjLCxrO7nJEfIUJLwS80gUyDNfYG0dgx7GEDM4iwmhLpO/ From dppe at inebraska.com Thu Jul 9 10:20:07 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Thu Jul 9 10:21:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? Message-ID: <248290521c5f8223ecbca2691c47edf8@inebraska.com> I removed and replaced and OA2 tube on the receiver side of the jukebox just to test it and it was working fine so I returned it back in its slot. When I first turned on my jukebox the selection keys all worked fine. Now all of a sudden I am not able to get the letter keys or the number keys to stay down when I select them. They will not lock at all into place. This is mostly likely a dumb thing that I did or am not doing or maybe just a coincidence. Thanks in advance for your help as right now I really feel stupid although in general this is true of my knowledge of jukeboxes. Dana From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Jul 9 10:31:02 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Jul 9 10:32:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? References: <248290521c5f8223ecbca2691c47edf8@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <000d01ca00bb$0850d540$71934c09@ZURNT60> Do you have 'credit' on the jukebox? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? >I removed and replaced and OA2 tube on the receiver side of the jukebox > just to test it and it was working fine so I returned it back in its > slot. When I first turned on my jukebox the selection keys all worked > fine. Now all of a sudden I am not able to get the letter keys or the > number keys to stay down when I select them. They will not lock at all > into place. This is mostly likely a dumb thing that I did or am not > doing or maybe just a coincidence. Thanks in advance for your help as > right now I really feel stupid although in general this is true of my > knowledge of jukeboxes. Dana > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dppe at inebraska.com Thu Jul 9 10:38:51 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Thu Jul 9 10:40:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? In-Reply-To: <000d01ca00bb$0850d540$71934c09@ZURNT60> References: <248290521c5f8223ecbca2691c47edf8@inebraska.com> <000d01ca00bb$0850d540$71934c09@ZURNT60> Message-ID: The lights to make selection do not come on. The jukebox is set on free play. Dana On Jul 9, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Jeff Zurn wrote: > Do you have 'credit' on the jukebox? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:20 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? > > >> I removed and replaced and OA2 tube on the receiver side of the >> jukebox just to test it and it was working fine so I returned it back >> in its slot. When I first turned on my jukebox the selection keys >> all worked fine. Now all of a sudden I am not able to get the letter >> keys or the number keys to stay down when I select them. They will >> not lock at all into place. This is mostly likely a dumb thing that >> I did or am not doing or maybe just a coincidence. Thanks in advance >> for your help as right now I really feel stupid although in general >> this is true of my knowledge of jukeboxes. Dana >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Jul 9 11:05:07 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Jul 9 11:06:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? References: <248290521c5f8223ecbca2691c47edf8@inebraska.com><000d01ca00bb$0850d540$71934c09@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <000401ca00bf$caddfda0$71934c09@ZURNT60> first, check your fuses. 'free play'... in many cases, means credits were added and the juke was modified to keep it from taking them off. If your coin equipment is still intact, try adding a credit by dropping a quarter or manually activating a coin switch. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? > The lights to make selection do not come on. The jukebox is set on free > play. Dana > On Jul 9, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Jeff Zurn wrote: > >> Do you have 'credit' on the jukebox? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:20 AM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? >> >> >>> I removed and replaced and OA2 tube on the receiver side of the jukebox >>> just to test it and it was working fine so I returned it back in its >>> slot. When I first turned on my jukebox the selection keys all worked >>> fine. Now all of a sudden I am not able to get the letter keys or the >>> number keys to stay down when I select them. They will not lock at all >>> into place. This is mostly likely a dumb thing that I did or am not >>> doing or maybe just a coincidence. Thanks in advance for your help as >>> right now I really feel stupid although in general this is true of my >>> knowledge of jukeboxes. Dana >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Thu Jul 9 12:06:18 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Jul 9 12:08:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? In-Reply-To: <248290521c5f8223ecbca2691c47edf8@inebraska.com> References: <248290521c5f8223ecbca2691c47edf8@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <4A563FAA.9090901@telus.net> Dana wrote: > I removed and replaced and OA2 tube on the receiver side of the > jukebox just to test it and it was working fine so I returned it back > in its slot. When I first turned on my jukebox the selection keys all > worked fine. Now all of a sudden I am not able to get the letter keys > or the number keys to stay down when I select them. They will not > lock at all into place. This is mostly likely a dumb thing that I did > or am not doing or maybe just a coincidence. Thanks in advance for > your help as right now I really feel stupid although in general this > is true of my knowledge of jukeboxes. Dana > The 0A2 tube has nothing to do with selections, instead check that all the plugs on the control center are plugged in as opening the door too wide can cuase a couple to pull partly out of their sockets... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From dppe at inebraska.com Thu Jul 9 12:22:32 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Thu Jul 9 12:24:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? In-Reply-To: <000401ca00bf$caddfda0$71934c09@ZURNT60> References: <248290521c5f8223ecbca2691c47edf8@inebraska.com><000d01ca00bb$0850d540$71934c09@ZURNT60> <000401ca00bf$caddfda0$71934c09@ZURNT60> Message-ID: I put a quarter in the jukebox and I get 3 selections for a quarter and then you guessed it no selections after that. How do I get the jukebox back on free play? Thanks for your help. Dana On Jul 9, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Jeff Zurn wrote: > first, check your fuses. > 'free play'... in many cases, means credits were added and the juke > was modified to keep it from taking them off. > If your coin equipment is still intact, try adding a credit by > dropping a quarter or manually activating a coin switch. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? > > >> The lights to make selection do not come on. The jukebox is set on >> free play. Dana >> On Jul 9, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Jeff Zurn wrote: >> >>> Do you have 'credit' on the jukebox? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:20 AM >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? >>> >>> >>>> I removed and replaced and OA2 tube on the receiver side of the >>>> jukebox just to test it and it was working fine so I returned it >>>> back in its slot. When I first turned on my jukebox the selection >>>> keys all worked fine. Now all of a sudden I am not able to get the >>>> letter keys or the number keys to stay down when I select them. >>>> They will not lock at all into place. This is mostly likely a dumb >>>> thing that I did or am not doing or maybe just a coincidence. >>>> Thanks in advance for your help as right now I really feel stupid >>>> although in general this is true of my knowledge of jukeboxes. >>>> Dana >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Jul 9 12:35:11 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Jul 9 12:36:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Fixing a bad warp in a 45 Message-ID: Mike, I use a piece of thin cardboard, hopefully not hot enough to leave an impression. I was thinking about what you said. i think heat enough to warp the record is expanding the record, but hot enough, like a match, actually breaks it down chemically and would in fact, shrink it. I love logic. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jul 9 12:39:11 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jul 9 12:40:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? Message-ID: <377960.66680.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dana, The "correct" way is to purchase a "free play adapter for it. That juke box, nor most jukeboxes, were NOT designed to be on "free play". Contact me off list at ronnnrich@yahoo.com? if you like. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Dana wrote: From: Dana Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 12:22 PM I put a quarter in the jukebox and I get 3 selections for a quarter and then you guessed it no selections after that.? How do I get the jukebox back on free play?? Thanks for your help.? Dana On Jul 9, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Jeff Zurn wrote: > first, check your fuses. > 'free play'... in many cases, means credits were added and the juke was modified to keep it from taking them off. > If your coin equipment is still intact, try adding a credit by dropping a quarter or manually activating a coin switch. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? > > >> The lights to make selection do not come on.? The jukebox is set on free play.? Dana >> On Jul 9, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Jeff Zurn wrote: >> >>> Do you have 'credit' on the jukebox? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:20 AM >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? >>> >>> >>>> I removed and replaced and OA2 tube on the receiver side of the jukebox just to test it and it was working fine so I returned it back in its slot..? When I first turned on my jukebox the selection keys all worked fine.? Now all of a sudden I am not able to get the letter keys or the number keys to stay down when I select them.? They will not lock at all into place.? This is mostly likely a dumb thing that I did or am not doing or maybe just a coincidence.? Thanks in advance for your help as right now I really feel stupid although in general this is true of my knowledge of jukeboxes.? Dana >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Thu Jul 9 12:56:52 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Thu Jul 9 12:58:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Acoustic Howl in 1100 In-Reply-To: "William Hill" 's message of Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:14:42 -0400 Message-ID: <6436-4A564B84-227@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Appreciate the thought though Bill ! Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Jul 9 13:30:03 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Jul 9 13:31:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: Tony, all very true. AMI did a great job not only putting out a durable machine, which jukes need to be, but one that was actually a real performer in the audio department. Sure, the psycho-philes would not agree, but for 1954, playing 78s and 45s, they were amazing. They didn't just do the job, they did it extremely WELL. I just wanted to clarify that the only F or G model with the double woofers up top is the G-200. All F models and the G 40/80/120 models had a single woofer below the mechanism, facing up, in a ported enclosure. The horn was bent over on itself, effectively tripling it's size. if the bends are designed properly, this works just fine. With just 2 drivers total, these models FILL a room, even a huge room. The benefits of the horn design are undeniable. I can only imagine that the G-200 with it's dual woofers is even better! Sidebar on this. People think My Seeburg USC-2 (Bandshell Firestar, 1971) is playing CDs. By chance, the simple chamber for the woofers below works extremely well. It sounds better with the 80 correct watt amp than the later 100 watt one I have in it. Long and short. Jukes were designed to play records for money, and do it dependably. They needed to work in temperature and humidity extremes, off level, play their records through dust and smoke build up, The records were expendable programing material. Building tough and powerful amplifiers meant sacrificing some fidelity... It's obvious when the various design departments employed people who cared about quality sound, because the machines reflected it. Here's a piece of information to ponder. Until the home computer, or at least until the early 1980s, a jukebox was the most advanced piece of technology most people used. Even television is no more than a really cool radio. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 From BSAKing at hotmail.com Thu Jul 9 13:44:23 2009 From: BSAKing at hotmail.com (BSA) Date: Thu Jul 9 13:46:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's References: Message-ID: Boy, that's certainly a +1 on the Seeburg USC-2 (Bandshell Firestar, 1971). I had one of those that I rebuilt and although I love the sound of the old 40's, 50's, 60's machines I have here, the Firestar was an incredible sounding machine. I could light up the neighbourhood with it if I cared to.. ... -------Original Message------- From: Mechanical Music of S F Date: 7/9/2009 4:31:53 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Tony, all very true. AMI did a great job not only putting out a durable machine, which jukes need to be, but one that was actually a real performer in the audio department. Sure, the psycho-philes would not agree, but for 1954, playing 78s and 45s, they were amazing. They didn't just do the job, they did it extremely WELL. I just wanted to clarify that the only F or G model with the double woofers up top is the G-200. All F models and the G 40/80/120 models had a single woofer below the mechanism, facing up, in a ported enclosure. The horn was bent over on itself, effectively tripling it's size. if the bends are designed properly, this works just fine. With just 2 drivers total, these models FILL a room, even a huge room. The benefits of the horn design are undeniable. I can only imagine that the G-200 with it's dual woofers is even better! Sidebar on this. People think My Seeburg USC-2 (Bandshell Firestar, 1971) is playing CDs. By chance, the simple chamber for the woofers below works extremely well. It sounds better with the 80 correct watt amp than the later 100 watt one I have in it. Long and short. Jukes were designed to play records for money, and do it dependably. They needed to work in temperature and humidity extremes, off level, play their records through dust and smoke build up, The records were expendable programing material. Building tough and powerful amplifiers meant sacrificing some fidelity... It's obvious when the various design departments employed people who cared about quality sound, because the machines reflected it. Here's a piece of information to ponder. Until the home computer, or at least until the early 1980s, a jukebox was the most advanced piece of technology most people used. Even television is no more than a really cool radio. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009_________________________ _____________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Jul 9 13:44:29 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Jul 9 13:46:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's/ Collector Message-ID: Mike, It's the styling. The chrome queens command higher prices, and some of them do sound great. I recently heard a stunning V or VL 200. I think the niche for the these boxy AMIs will be for 50s Modern collectors. Ditto stripped and refinished in their natural wood, for the Scandinavian Modern enthusiasts. The cabinet woods and construction are excellent and I've seen 2 finished this way (Both F models). STUNNING, and right at home with Eames and similar styles. Aaron, I think I reexplained what you said about their sound. Sorry, 'bout that. I get the list in a daily digest and since everything is reattached multiple times, it's quite bulky, I scan and I miss things or post a reply only to find it's been covered already. I wish we'd switch to a message board. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Jul 9 14:49:01 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Jul 9 14:50:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <180867.23967.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks.. Also the folded horn concept was Paul Klipsh. I has the hoonour of meeting him in person and also got to see all his proto-types. (This is before I owed my G-200).... other wise I would have asked him isf he had a hand on its speaker system. My buddy has owned a G-120 for years and I loved it so when a G-200 came up on Kijiji in Canada I went in a snow storm to get it. Wouldn't you if it was in pretty goood shape for only $500? Currently I have a Rockola Comet 1438, AMI model K, Seeburg model R, Seeburg model C, AMI Lyric, Rockola 431 Corondo, Rockola Capri and a Rockola 469. The AMI G-200 still sounds the best (in my opinion). ? Tony --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 4:30 PM Tony, all very true. AMI did a great job not only putting out a durable machine, which jukes need to be, but one that was actually a real performer in the audio department.? Sure, the psycho-philes would not agree, but for 1954, playing 78s and 45s, they were amazing.? They didn't just do the job, they did it extremely WELL. I just wanted to clarify that the only F or G model with the double woofers up top is the G-200. All F models and the G 40/80/120 models had a single woofer below the mechanism, facing up, in a ported enclosure.? The horn was bent over on itself, effectively tripling it's size. if the bends are designed properly, this works just fine.? With just 2 drivers total, these models FILL a room, even a huge room.? The benefits of the horn design are undeniable. I can only imagine that the G-200 with it's dual woofers is even better! Sidebar on this.? People think My Seeburg USC-2 (Bandshell Firestar, 1971) is playing CDs. By chance, the simple chamber for the woofers below works extremely well.? It sounds better with the 80 correct watt amp than the later 100 watt one I have in it. Long and short.? Jukes were designed to play records for money, and do it dependably. They needed to work in temperature and humidity extremes, off level, play their records through dust and smoke build up, The records were expendable programing material.? Building tough and powerful amplifiers meant sacrificing some fidelity... It's obvious when the various design departments employed people who cared about quality sound, because the machines reflected it. Here's a piece of information to ponder. Until the home computer, or at least until the early 1980s, a jukebox was the most advanced piece of technology most people used. Even television is no more than a really cool radio. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Jul 9 15:16:20 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Jul 9 15:17:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's/ Collector Message-ID: Re: Jim's detailed post. Right on, man. Thanks for taking the time to put all that down. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Jul 9 15:40:46 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Jul 9 15:42:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg V200 Help! What did I do wrong? Message-ID: Dana, you'll have to find out why there's no credit on the jukebox. There should be a credit unit somewhere. Check connections to and from it and try to add some credit by activating the coin switches if they're still present. If not, open up the credit unit and try to add some credits manually. There will be ratchet wheels of some kind, I believe. If this is all OK, then look for a dirty or broken leaf switch somewhere in these 2 systems, or a blown fuse. There's nothing any tube (an electronic item) should have done that would cause this. The coin/credit and selector buttons are all electro-mechanical in nature. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 From lavin at cheqnet.net Thu Jul 9 15:48:31 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Thu Jul 9 16:01:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Harry Belafonte record Message-ID: <67D7FA6C2790462596ECF1BFDF246611@dennis1cb9fd78> HI- does any one here know if Harry Belafonte ever made a 45 of "Jump in the line" , or possibly was it ever on a "mini-33 lp " ? I would really like one for my juke. Thanks-Dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) From jhayes2613 at aol.com Thu Jul 9 16:00:40 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 9 16:08:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's/ Collector In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBCF0036C22989-A1C-2B76@MBLK-M15.sysops.aol.com> Kyle- It's so great having you back, man. -----Original Message----- From: Mechanical Music of S.F. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:16 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's/ Collector Re: Jim's detailed post. Right on, man. Thanks for taking the time to put all that down. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobe at halted.com Thu Jul 9 15:58:44 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Thu Jul 9 16:14:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Harry Belafonte record Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090709225844.0099fd04@hsces.com> At 05:48 PM 7/9/2009 -0500, you wrote: >HI- does any one here know if Harry Belafonte ever made a 45 of "Jump in the line" , or possibly was it ever on a "mini-33 lp " ? > >I would really like one for my juke. According to: http://www.belafontetracks.ca/ The answer is no...but it *was* on four different albums. You could always have that guy that advertises in Always Jukin' make you one, though! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From lavin at cheqnet.net Thu Jul 9 19:00:48 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Thu Jul 9 19:02:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Harry Belafonte record References: <2.2.32.20090709225844.0099fd04@hsces.com> Message-ID: <0097089502F9495EBB0CA6A3E715C2CF@dennis1cb9fd78> HI Bob, yeah, I had thought of having one made, it's my last option i guess. :-) Been lookin for a while and I have not seen one on 45 yet.. now what to have on the "B" side if I have one cut ? Hmmm... Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Ellingson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Harry Belafonte record > At 05:48 PM 7/9/2009 -0500, you wrote: >>HI- does any one here know if Harry Belafonte ever made a 45 of "Jump in > the line" , or possibly was it ever on a "mini-33 lp " ? >> >>I would really like one for my juke. > > According to: > > http://www.belafontetracks.ca/ > > The answer is no...but it *was* on four different albums. You could > always > have that guy that advertises in Always Jukin' make you one, though! > > --Bob > ======================================================================= > Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com > Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com > 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 > Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.386 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 18:07:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Jul 9 21:43:06 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Jul 9 21:44:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <47268.56234.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > Thanks.. Also the folded horn concept > was Paul Klipsh. ... > > ... other wise I would have asked him isf he > had a hand on its speaker system. You've mentioned Klipsch a couple times here, so I wonder what leads you to think he had a hand in the design of the AMI F and G cabinets. Yes, he was one of many exponents of horn speakers, and designed some really good ones, but this technology was well known in the audio industry since Bell Labs did its seminal research in the mid-1920s. For instance, Altec Lansing's "Voice of the Theater" speakers were industry leaders (in competition with Westrex's own speakers) and every "hi-fi" magazine of the era had plans for building corner horns (which my own dad did for his hi-fi). There's no more efficient way of getting the most sound out of a small amplifier than a horn-loaded speaker. Look at the huge horn speakers Western Electric made in the 1920s and 1930s for everything from PA systems (there's a beautiful trumpet speaker above the passenger platform in the Portland train station) to movie theater sound systems. I'd love to get into AMIs archives and research the machines of the mid-50s because I believe that it's a major area of jukebox history that's largely ignored. So, until I retire and have the time to take on that project, I'm eager to learn facts any list member can supply. From aaron at vertasource.com Fri Jul 10 06:38:47 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Fri Jul 10 06:34:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <200907100938664.SM04204@[192.168.1.206]> Didn't I hear somewhere that Bose had something to do with the AMI F and G cabinet/speaker design? Did someone mention it here? Aaron From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Jul 10 07:18:09 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Jul 10 07:19:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <197118.42414.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Didn't I hear somewhere that Bose had > something to do with the AMI F and G cabinet/speaker design? > Did someone mention it here? I remember likening the G-200's bass horn to a Bose 901 speaker, in that both use multiple small drivers to achieve the same affect as one large one, but I don't believe Amar Bose himself had anything to do with the design. He was working for Philips in the Netherlands in the mid-50s. From johntrav at windstream.net Fri Jul 10 08:31:56 2009 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Fri Jul 10 10:18:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Harry Belafonte record References: <2.2.32.20090709225844.0099fd04@hsces.com> <0097089502F9495EBB0CA6A3E715C2CF@dennis1cb9fd78> Message-ID: I had Eric Morritt download and record a song I'd been hunting for 3 years and had him put the same song on the "B" side. That way if the "A" side got worn or damaged I had a backup. The tune is "Cool Jerk" by the Go Go's which, incidentally, is the background music for Victory Glass's home page. It's in the public domain. John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis and Sue" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Harry Belafonte record > HI Bob, yeah, I had thought of having one made, it's my last option i > guess. :-) > > Been lookin for a while and I have not seen one on 45 yet.. now what to > have on the "B" side if I have one cut ? > > Hmmm... > > > Dennis. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Ellingson" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Harry Belafonte record > > >> At 05:48 PM 7/9/2009 -0500, you wrote: >>>HI- does any one here know if Harry Belafonte ever made a 45 of "Jump in >> the line" , or possibly was it ever on a "mini-33 lp " ? >>> >>>I would really like one for my juke. >> >> According to: >> >> http://www.belafontetracks.ca/ >> >> The answer is no...but it *was* on four different albums. You could >> always >> have that guy that advertises in Always Jukin' make you one, though! >> >> --Bob >> ======================================================================= >> Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com >> Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com >> 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 >> Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.386 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 > 18:07:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jul 10 11:45:44 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jul 10 11:49:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <20090710.144544.20543.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I doubt that Bose had anything to do with the design of early full-size horn-loaded loudspeakers. Bose concentrated on rear-loaded spkr enclosures of very compact size (the acoustic wave concept) that have a full-frequency response. Their systems are of low-efficiency and require high amplifier power to drive them. Here's a quick history of the loudspeaker systems you are discussing here, linked with the AMI G200 jukebox spkr system. The G200 2 way horn design is a unique one, designed to fit the juke cabinet. The curved full length bass horn is a variation of a Bell labs design. Many of the pro speaker manufacturers based their designs on these theories. If you wish to find detailed histories of these inventors/companies, all of them are posted on Wikipedia. I'll refer you to them here if you need more info--just ask. BTW, I'm a commercial sound systems designer in my "day" job----I'm pretty familiar with spkr systems,how they work, acoustical science, and their basic history. The technical design team at Bell Labs that crafted the rudiments of horn-loaded loudspeaker design eventually morphed in the Altec Lansing engineering group. Altec came into existence with the advent of movies-with-sound in the late 20's and went onto become one of the professional sound industry's best-regarded speaker systems. Altec made a line of high-end home equipment as well beginning in the 50's. Altec (the parent company) is no longer business, but within the last decade an offshore company bought the rights to the name and is manufacturing some pro loudspeaker products along with a line of computer electronics. The Lansing in Altec Lansing was designer James B Lansing, who moved on to form his own company (JBL) which is still in operation. JBL manufactures both a residential and commercial line of spkr products. Their large format systems (for stadiums, theaters,churches,etc) still employ horn-loaded designs. Klipsch introduced the horn loaded design into home hi fi speakers with his Klipschhorn and Heresy models. Klipsch builds some commercial speaker systems, but has small percentage of that business. Interestring factoid: Klipsch designs builds speaker systems, but does not make their own speakers and drivers. Many bigger Klipsch systems come loaded with drive units made by Eminence or Electro Voice. ElectroVoice was an equipment manufacturer in Michigan that was known for high quality microphones, speaker drivers and speaker systems. In their early home hi-fi line and in their commercial sound line they used some horn-based designs. ElectroVoice is now a division of Bosch, Inc. Bose builds both a residential and commercial line of audio products. Their products are readily identifiable because of their odd shapes and compact sizes. A few of their pro sound products use horn -loaded designs. Other spkr makers that contributed a lot to the advance of good sound (both in large and small sizes) are Jensen, University,EAW, Tannoy, Bozak, and Wharfedale. I'm sure that I've missed some names. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ34033RSeSXZKmmgNlCyVPAvZ3eM37pOEJoTTSinaAQtCnWXCDja/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jul 10 12:01:56 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jul 10 12:06:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Harry Belafonte record Message-ID: <20090710.150156.20543.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Here's a suggestion how to find the availability of a record/ song without having to take a lot of time to find it: Go to "music" on E Bay and open up the record file---you can usually limit your search to 45's, LP's or whatever format you're looking for. In the search line, type in the name of the artist. After you've narrowed it that far, type in the song title. Because of the big number of record sellers on E Bay, this will give you a bird's eye view of whether the song you want was 1. released as a single 2. released as an original reissue single 3. released as an aftermarket single (i.e. Collectables, Eric, Ripete, etc) or 4. what albums or soundtracks included it . BTW an on-line retailer with a ginormous selection of songtitles on 45 is www.beverlyrecords.com. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYipYsMhsHTJ16PfgyFOHMMh6XY9S1GHIDNFdLkZ87HeKpd9jnO8o/ From bobe at halted.com Fri Jul 10 12:49:46 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Fri Jul 10 13:05:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090710194946.009b4c98@hsces.com> At 06:45 PM 7/10/2009 GMT, you wrote: >Other spkr makers that contributed a lot to the advance of good sound (both in large and small sizes) are Jensen, University,EAW, Tannoy, Bozak, and Wharfedale. I'm sure that I've missed some names. Well, one that you missed was Edgar Villchur, who pioneered the acoustic suspension speaker, and started Acoustic Research (AR)! I have a copy of the 1954 "Audio" magazine where he presented a paper on the theory of a sealed 1-ft. cube enclosure with an 8" driver that blew a lot of minds with its bass response. Before that, it was thought that you needed refrigerator-sized enclosures and 30" drivers to get way-down low... --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jul 10 14:58:41 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jul 10 15:01:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <20090710.175841.8905.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Hi Bob: Since this discussion was centering around horn loaded spkr systems,such as the AMI G200 jukebox, I assumed that refrigerator-sized was the order of the day. A full-sized (no compromise) bass horn, is massive, but provides about a 6 db boost in efficiency compared to a typical woofer in an infinite baffle cabinet. It also has greater "throw"--the ability to faithfully project sound accurately in a large space. Probably one of the best audio applications for the G200 was to fill the high school gym with strong,punchy sound for a sock hop, no additional audio equipment needed. The acoustic-suspension type spkr designs like the AR specialized in obtaining low-bass fundamentals from small size enclosures,and it was an important contribution to the science. One of the design tradeoffs was acoustic efficiency. The AR spkr systems performed well in smaller spaces. Most of the later AMI jukes after the G, still using the multi-horn concept, were compromised designs (usually a short horn + ported cabinet) in order to reduce the bulk required by the spkr system. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRWIWp8bGsC8tdEsYX7E7MA6rxBmHwOWb1onre115SFIMmR0nPS/ From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 10 16:08:17 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Fri Jul 10 16:10:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: <20090710.175841.8905.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090710.175841.8905.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <884E993FBDDE4DC7993D220FAFDBFEBD@WilliamHPLap> All this early AMI stuff is making me yawn. How about we talk about Michael Jackson instead? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Hi Bob: Since this discussion was centering around horn loaded spkr systems,such as the AMI G200 jukebox, I assumed that refrigerator-sized was the order of the day. A full-sized (no compromise) bass horn, is massive, but provides about a 6 db boost in efficiency compared to a typical woofer in an infinite baffle cabinet. It also has greater "throw"--the ability to faithfully project sound accurately in a large space. Probably one of the best audio applications for the G200 was to fill the high school gym with strong,punchy sound for a sock hop, no additional audio equipment needed. The acoustic-suspension type spkr designs like the AR specialized in obtaining low-bass fundamentals from small size enclosures,and it was an important contribution to the science. One of the design tradeoffs was acoustic efficiency. The AR spkr systems performed well in smaller spaces. Most of the later AMI jukes after the G, still using the multi-horn concept, were compromised designs (usually a short horn + ported cabinet) in order to reduce the bulk required by the spkr system. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRWIWp8bGsC8tdEsYX7E7MA6rxBmHwOWb1onre115SFIMmR0nPS/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From BSAKing at hotmail.com Fri Jul 10 16:13:18 2009 From: BSAKing at hotmail.com (BSA) Date: Fri Jul 10 16:14:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's References: <20090710.175841.8905.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> <884E993FBDDE4DC7993D220FAFDBFEBD@WilliamHPLap> Message-ID: Maybe we should design a Michael Jackson jukebox - that leaves the door open for all sorts of possibiities! ;^) -------Original Message------- From: William Hill Date: 7/10/2009 7:11:04 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's All this early AMI stuff is making me yawn. How about we talk about Michael Jackson instead? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Hi Bob: Since this discussion was centering around horn loaded spkr systems,such as the AMI G200 jukebox, I assumed that refrigerator-sized was the order of the day. A full-sized (no compromise) bass horn, is massive, but provides about a 6 db boost in efficiency compared to a typical woofer in an infinite baffle cabinet. It also has greater "throw"--the ability to faithfully project sound accurately in a large space. Probably one of the best audio applications for the G200 was to fill the high school gym with strong,punchy sound for a sock hop, no additional audio equipment needed. The acoustic-suspension type spkr designs like the AR specialized in obtaining low-bass fundamentals from small size enclosures,and it was an important contribution to the science. One of the design tradeoffs was acoustic efficiency. The AR spkr systems performed well in smaller spaces. Most of the later AMI jukes after the G, still using the multi-horn concept, were compromised designs (usually a short horn + ported cabinet) in order to reduce the bulk required by the spkr system. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRWIWp8bGsC8tdEsYX7E7MA6rxBmHwOWb1onre115SFIMmR0nPS/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Jul 10 16:16:33 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Jul 10 16:18:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <222017.39216.qm@web111501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> NO bad idea it would grab its crotch! pass.. --- On Fri, 7/10/09, BSA wrote: From: BSA Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:13 PM Maybe we should design a Michael Jackson jukebox - that leaves the door open for all sorts of possibiities! ;^) -------Original Message------- From: William Hill Date: 7/10/2009 7:11:04 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's All this early AMI stuff is making me yawn. How about we talk about Michael Jackson instead? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Hi Bob: Since this discussion was centering around horn loaded spkr systems,such as the AMI G200 jukebox, I assumed that refrigerator-sized was the order of the day. A full-sized (no compromise) bass horn, is massive, but provides about a 6 db boost in efficiency compared to a typical woofer in an infinite baffle cabinet. It also has greater "throw"--the ability to faithfully project sound accurately in a large space. Probably one of the best audio applications for the G200 was to fill the high school gym with strong,punchy sound for a sock hop, no additional audio equipment needed. The acoustic-suspension type spkr designs like the AR specialized in obtaining low-bass fundamentals from small size enclosures,and it was an important contribution to the science. One of the design tradeoffs was acoustic efficiency. The AR spkr systems performed well in smaller spaces. Most of the later AMI jukes after the G, still using the multi-horn concept, were compromised designs (usually a short horn + ported cabinet) in order to reduce the bulk required by the spkr system. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. 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From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Jul 10 16:21:31 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Jul 10 16:23:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: <884E993FBDDE4DC7993D220FAFDBFEBD@WilliamHPLap> Message-ID: <461155.21091.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well William.. if it makes you yawn then maybe you should be a "Candle make recieve with 8 tracks and have some fun with that" all of 1.5 watts total output and also 100% total harmonic distortion. If you didn't get the insult then I will spell it out.. just delete the AMI ones ok? No offence but this is a discussion group and I am speaking for others do like to talk about these AMI machines as they are the forgotten ones and I enjoy the other users inputs on these wonderful machines.. What would you like to talk about? Hmmm let me think paint drying on a wall?? LOL ? Tonyy --- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Hill wrote: From: William Hill Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:08 PM All this early AMI stuff is making me yawn. How about we talk about Michael Jackson instead? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Hi Bob: Since this discussion was centering around horn loaded spkr systems,such as the AMI G200 jukebox, I assumed that refrigerator-sized was the order of the day.???A full-sized (no compromise) bass horn, is massive, but provides about a 6 db boost in efficiency compared to a typical woofer in an infinite baffle cabinet. It also has greater "throw"--the ability to faithfully project sound accurately in a large space.? ???Probably one of the best audio applications for the G200 was to fill the high school gym with strong,punchy sound for a sock hop, no additional audio equipment needed. The acoustic-suspension type spkr designs like the AR specialized in obtaining low-bass fundamentals from small size enclosures,and it was an important contribution to the science.???One of the design tradeoffs was acoustic efficiency.???The AR spkr systems performed well in smaller spaces. Most of the later AMI jukes after the G, still using the multi-horn concept, were compromised designs (usually a short horn + ported cabinet)? in order to reduce the bulk required by the spkr system. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRWIWp8bGsC8tdEsYX7E7MA6rxBmHwOWb1onre115SFIMmR0nPS/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From BSAKing at hotmail.com Fri Jul 10 16:31:11 2009 From: BSAKing at hotmail.com (BSA) Date: Fri Jul 10 16:32:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's References: <222017.39216.qm@web111501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh well - it was just a passing insane thought .... I thought maybe it would just grab records, but the crotch could be a dollar play option I guess. -------Original Message------- From: Lala Blah Blah Date: 7/10/2009 7:18:23 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's NO bad idea it would grab its crotch! pass.. --- On Fri, 7/10/09, BSA wrote: From: BSA Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:13 PM Maybe we should design a Michael Jackson jukebox - that leaves the door open for all sorts of possibiities! ;^) -------Original Message------- From: William Hill Date: 7/10/2009 7:11:04 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's All this early AMI stuff is making me yawn. How about we talk about Michael Jackson instead? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Hi Bob: Since this discussion was centering around horn loaded spkr systems,such as the AMI G200 jukebox, I assumed that refrigerator-sized was the order of the day. A full-sized (no compromise) bass horn, is massive, but provides about a 6 db boost in efficiency compared to a typical woofer in an infinite baffle cabinet. It also has greater "throw"--the ability to faithfully project sound accurately in a large space. Probably one of the best audio applications for the G200 was to fill the high school gym with strong,punchy sound for a sock hop, no additional audio equipment needed. The acoustic-suspension type spkr designs like the AR specialized in obtaining low-bass fundamentals from small size enclosures,and it was an important contribution to the science. One of the design tradeoffs was acoustic efficiency. The AR spkr systems performed well in smaller spaces. Most of the later AMI jukes after the G, still using the multi-horn concept, were compromised designs (usually a short horn + ported cabinet) in order to reduce the bulk required by the spkr system. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. 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Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 10 16:45:59 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Fri Jul 10 16:48:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: <461155.21091.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <461155.21091.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <754AC90CF5E041C2A027D0844D3B8B9A@WilliamHPLap> I think we should talk about the way you cant spell your own name, lol! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Well William.. if it makes you yawn then maybe you should be a "Candle make recieve with 8 tracks and have some fun with that" all of 1.5 watts total output and also 100% total harmonic distortion. If you didn't get the insult then I will spell it out.. just delete the AMI ones ok? No offence but this is a discussion group and I am speaking for others do like to talk about these AMI machines as they are the forgotten ones and I enjoy the other users inputs on these wonderful machines.. What would you like to talk about? Hmmm let me think paint drying on a wall?? LOL Tonyy --- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Hill wrote: From: William Hill Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:08 PM All this early AMI stuff is making me yawn. How about we talk about Michael Jackson instead? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Hi Bob: Since this discussion was centering around horn loaded spkr systems,such as the AMI G200 jukebox, I assumed that refrigerator-sized was the order of the day. A full-sized (no compromise) bass horn, is massive, but provides about a 6 db boost in efficiency compared to a typical woofer in an infinite baffle cabinet. It also has greater "throw"--the ability to faithfully project sound accurately in a large space. Probably one of the best audio applications for the G200 was to fill the high school gym with strong,punchy sound for a sock hop, no additional audio equipment needed. The acoustic-suspension type spkr designs like the AR specialized in obtaining low-bass fundamentals from small size enclosures,and it was an important contribution to the science. One of the design tradeoffs was acoustic efficiency. The AR spkr systems performed well in smaller spaces. Most of the later AMI jukes after the G, still using the multi-horn concept, were compromised designs (usually a short horn + ported cabinet) in order to reduce the bulk required by the spkr system. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRWIWp8bGsC8tdEsYX7E7MA6rxBmHwOWb1onre115SFIMmR0nPS/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Jul 10 17:03:48 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Jul 10 17:05:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20000.39219.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hahahaaha YOU TOPPED me...!!! COOL now that was funny!! --- On Fri, 7/10/09, BSA wrote: From: BSA Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:31 PM Oh well - it was just a passing insane thought ....? I thought maybe it would just grab records, but the crotch could be a dollar play option I guess. -------Original Message------- From: Lala Blah Blah Date: 7/10/2009 7:18:23 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's NO bad idea it would grab its crotch! pass.. --- On Fri, 7/10/09, BSA wrote: From: BSA Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:13 PM Maybe we should design a Michael Jackson jukebox - that leaves the door open for all sorts of possibiities! ;^) -------Original Message------- From: William Hill Date: 7/10/2009 7:11:04 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's All this early AMI stuff is making me yawn. How about we talk about Michael Jackson instead? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Hi Bob: Since this discussion was centering around horn loaded spkr systems,such as the AMI G200 jukebox, I assumed that refrigerator-sized was the order of the day. A full-sized (no compromise) bass horn, is massive, but provides about a 6 db boost in efficiency compared to a typical woofer in an infinite baffle cabinet. It also has greater "throw"--the ability to faithfully project sound accurately in a large space. Probably one of the best audio applications for the G200 was to fill the high school gym with strong,punchy sound for a sock hop, no additional audio equipment needed. The acoustic-suspension type spkr designs like the AR specialized in obtaining low-bass fundamentals from small size enclosures,and it was an important contribution to the science. One of the design tradeoffs was acoustic efficiency. The AR spkr systems performed well in smaller spaces. Most of the later AMI jukes after the G, still using the multi-horn concept, were compromised designs (usually a short horn + ported cabinet) in order to reduce the bulk required by the spkr system. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. 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From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Jul 10 17:06:40 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Jul 10 17:08:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: <754AC90CF5E041C2A027D0844D3B8B9A@WilliamHPLap> Message-ID: <502834.90445.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Lala Blah Blah (Email nick) ?is intended exactly for "people like?you Bill" glad your entertained by it.. at least your not "Yawning at that". ? Tony --- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Hill wrote: From: William Hill Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:45 PM I think we should talk about the way you cant spell your own name, lol! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Well William.. if it makes you yawn then maybe you should be a "Candle make recieve with 8 tracks and have some fun with that" all of 1.5 watts total output and also 100% total harmonic distortion. If you didn't get the insult then I will spell it out.. just delete the AMI ones ok? No offence but this is a discussion group and I am speaking for others do like to talk about these AMI machines as they are the forgotten ones and I enjoy the other users inputs on these wonderful machines.. What would you like to talk about? Hmmm let me think paint drying on a wall?? LOL Tonyy --- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Hill wrote: From: William Hill Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:08 PM All this early AMI stuff is making me yawn. How about we talk about Michael Jackson instead? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Hi Bob: Since this discussion was centering around horn loaded spkr systems,such as the AMI G200 jukebox, I assumed that refrigerator-sized was the order of the day. A full-sized (no compromise) bass horn, is massive, but provides about a 6 db boost in efficiency compared to a typical woofer in an infinite baffle cabinet. It also has greater "throw"--the ability to faithfully project sound accurately in a large space. Probably one of the best audio applications for the G200 was to fill the high school gym with strong,punchy sound for a sock hop, no additional audio equipment needed. The acoustic-suspension type spkr designs like the AR specialized in obtaining low-bass fundamentals from small size enclosures,and it was an important contribution to the science. One of the design tradeoffs was acoustic efficiency. The AR spkr systems performed well in smaller spaces. Most of the later AMI jukes after the G, still using the multi-horn concept, were compromised designs (usually a short horn + ported cabinet) in order to reduce the bulk required by the spkr system. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRWIWp8bGsC8tdEsYX7E7MA6rxBmHwOWb1onre115SFIMmR0nPS/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ???__________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier.? Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 17:22:56 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Jul 10 17:24:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Possibly Parting Out a Seeburg DS-160... Message-ID: I have acquired a Seeburg DS-160 in a jukebox+pinball trade deal. This jukebox had suffered an unfortunate incident due to poor strapping during shipping, which caused front door damage as well as both pieces of glass to be broken. The former owner supplied a lower replacement glass with the jukebox, and it still needs the "artist of the week" upper glass, possibly a replacement front door frame, and the ear speakers to make a pretty complete jukebox. The front and grill appear to be in better condition than most DS's I've seen. Rest of the cabinet is in very presentable condition. Missing tubes in the AVC portion of the amplifier, but otherwise looks complete except for above mentioned glass. Not in working order, or at least there is a problem in establishing credit to determine working order of the mech (you can get it to scan via the switch, but that is the extent of my testing). I am still in the process of relocating my shop to the house, and will have more limited space here for my already too long list of projects than I've got. If anybody is interested in parts from this machine, or wants the complete thing for about $350 (negotiable), contact me off-list. It has already rolled over my big toe, and I just want this thing gone... Photos available on request.... (Located in Temple, Texas) Thomas -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 10 18:02:42 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Fri Jul 10 18:05:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: <502834.90445.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <502834.90445.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <547E52EDE7A448B6BB077BC7E2311C23@WilliamHPLap> I'm yawning again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Lala Blah Blah (Email nick) is intended exactly for "people like you Bill" glad your entertained by it.. at least your not "Yawning at that". Tony --- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Hill wrote: From: William Hill Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:45 PM I think we should talk about the way you cant spell your own name, lol! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Well William.. if it makes you yawn then maybe you should be a "Candle make recieve with 8 tracks and have some fun with that" all of 1.5 watts total output and also 100% total harmonic distortion. If you didn't get the insult then I will spell it out.. just delete the AMI ones ok? No offence but this is a discussion group and I am speaking for others do like to talk about these AMI machines as they are the forgotten ones and I enjoy the other users inputs on these wonderful machines.. What would you like to talk about? Hmmm let me think paint drying on a wall?? LOL Tonyy --- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Hill wrote: From: William Hill Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:08 PM All this early AMI stuff is making me yawn. How about we talk about Michael Jackson instead? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Hi Bob: Since this discussion was centering around horn loaded spkr systems,such as the AMI G200 jukebox, I assumed that refrigerator-sized was the order of the day. A full-sized (no compromise) bass horn, is massive, but provides about a 6 db boost in efficiency compared to a typical woofer in an infinite baffle cabinet. It also has greater "throw"--the ability to faithfully project sound accurately in a large space. Probably one of the best audio applications for the G200 was to fill the high school gym with strong,punchy sound for a sock hop, no additional audio equipment needed. The acoustic-suspension type spkr designs like the AR specialized in obtaining low-bass fundamentals from small size enclosures,and it was an important contribution to the science. One of the design tradeoffs was acoustic efficiency. The AR spkr systems performed well in smaller spaces. Most of the later AMI jukes after the G, still using the multi-horn concept, were compromised designs (usually a short horn + ported cabinet) in order to reduce the bulk required by the spkr system. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRWIWp8bGsC8tdEsYX7E7MA6rxBmHwOWb1onre115SFIMmR0nPS/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! 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Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jul 10 19:48:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jul 10 19:50:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 2300s (DP) Message-ID: <856196.11506.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi all, My CRS is acting up again--got a customers 2300 (Dual pricing) Wurly here. It will establish credit lock the selector keys down (PULLS the number coil) but stops at that point.? Selection motor won't advance, and if advanced by hand, won't pull a letter coil ( or release a pin). If pin is released by hand it will function from there on, OK. Any thoughts ?? Ron Rich From pinball at telus.net Fri Jul 10 20:06:50 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Jul 10 20:08:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 2300s (DP) In-Reply-To: <856196.11506.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <856196.11506.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A5801CA.6030409@telus.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi all, > My CRS is acting up again--got a customers 2300 (Dual pricing) Wurly here. It will establish credit lock the selector keys down (PULLS the number coil) but stops at that point. Selection motor won't advance, and if advanced by hand, won't pull a letter coil ( or release a pin). If pin is released by hand it will function from there on, OK. > Any thoughts ?? Ron Rich > > Check the keyboard switch banks for continuity. This is a common problem with older machines - they used a series circuit through the keyboard to allow the selection process to complete. I have NOS keyboard switch banks, but you can usually either repair or bypass the single defective section (this works most of the time). So break out your ohm-meter and get checking! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Jul 10 20:30:22 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Jul 10 20:31:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <36610.31829.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > NO bad idea it would grab its crotch! ...And that of any adolescent boy that got within its reach. From aaron at vertasource.com Fri Jul 10 20:44:13 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Fri Jul 10 20:39:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Message-ID: <20090710234498.SM04660@[192.168.1.206]> Looks like it's time to put an entry in my spam filter. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: William Hill william_hill@sbcglobal.net Sent 7/10/2009 9:02:42 PM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's I'm yawning again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Lala Blah Blah (Email nick) is intended exactly for "people like you Bill" glad your entertained by it.. at least your not "Yawning at that". Tony --- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Hill william_hill@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: William Hill william_hill@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:45 PM I think we should talk about the way you cant spell your own name, lol! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Well William.. if it makes you yawn then maybe you should be a "Candle make recieve with 8 tracks and have some fun with that" all of 1.5 watts total output and also 100% total harmonic distortion. If you didn't get the insult then I will spell it out.. just delete the AMI ones ok? No offence but this is a discussion group and I am speaking for others do like to talk about these AMI machines as they are the forgotten ones and I enjoy the other users inputs on these wonderful machines.. What would you like to talk about? Hmmm let me think paint drying on a wall?? LOL Tonyy --- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Hill william_hill@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: William Hill william_hill@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:08 PM All this early AMI stuff is making me yawn. How about we talk about Michael Jackson instead? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" jalexandercc@netzero.net To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Hi Bob: Since this discussion was centering around horn loaded spkr systems,such as the AMI G200 jukebox, I assumed that refrigerator-sized was the order of the day. A full-sized (no compromise) bass horn, is massive, but provides about a 6 db boost in efficiency compared to a typical woofer in an infinite baffle cabinet. It also has greater "throw"--the ability to faithfully project sound accurately in a large space. Probably one of the best audio applications for the G200 was to fill the high school gym with strong,punchy sound for a sock hop, no additional audio equipment needed. The acoustic-suspension type spkr designs like the AR specialized in obtaining low-bass fundamentals from small size enclosures,and it was an important contribution to the science. One of the design tradeoffs was acoustic efficiency. The AR spkr systems performed well in smaller spaces. Most of the later AMI jukes after the G, still using the multi-horn concept, were compromised designs (usually a short horn + ported cabinet) in order to reduce the bulk required by the spkr system. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRWIWp8bGsC8tdEsYX7E7MA6rxBmHwOWb1onre115SFIMmR0nPS/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! 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Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Fri Jul 10 23:53:48 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Fri Jul 10 23:55:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's !!! In-Reply-To: <20090710234498.SM04660@[192.168.1.206]> References: <20090710234498.SM04660@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <001801ca01f4$57769e40$0663dac0$@force9.co.uk> I liked the Ami discussion. That's the type of thing I joined this newsgroup for. If this thread is now reverting to crap can someone change the title so I can delete them all. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Heverin Sent: 11 July 2009 04:44 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Looks like it's time to put an entry in my spam filter. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: William Hill william_hill@sbcglobal.net Sent 7/10/2009 9:02:42 PM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's I'm yawning again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Lala Blah Blah (Email nick) is intended exactly for "people like you Bill" glad your entertained by it.. at least your not "Yawning at that". Tony --- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Hill william_hill@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: William Hill william_hill@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:45 PM I think we should talk about the way you cant spell your own name, lol! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Well William.. if it makes you yawn then maybe you should be a "Candle make recieve with 8 tracks and have some fun with that" all of 1.5 watts total output and also 100% total harmonic distortion. If you didn't get the insult then I will spell it out.. just delete the AMI ones ok? No offence but this is a discussion group and I am speaking for others do like to talk about these AMI machines as they are the forgotten ones and I enjoy the other users inputs on these wonderful machines.. What would you like to talk about? Hmmm let me think paint drying on a wall?? LOL Tonyy --- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Hill william_hill@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: William Hill william_hill@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:08 PM All this early AMI stuff is making me yawn. How about we talk about Michael Jackson instead? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" jalexandercc@netzero.net To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's Hi Bob: Since this discussion was centering around horn loaded spkr systems,such as the AMI G200 jukebox, I assumed that refrigerator-sized was the order of the day. A full-sized (no compromise) bass horn, is massive, but provides about a 6 db boost in efficiency compared to a typical woofer in an infinite baffle cabinet. It also has greater "throw"--the ability to faithfully project sound accurately in a large space. Probably one of the best audio applications for the G200 was to fill the high school gym with strong,punchy sound for a sock hop, no additional audio equipment needed. The acoustic-suspension type spkr designs like the AR specialized in obtaining low-bass fundamentals from small size enclosures,and it was an important contribution to the science. One of the design tradeoffs was acoustic efficiency. The AR spkr systems performed well in smaller spaces. Most of the later AMI jukes after the G, still using the multi-horn concept, were compromised designs (usually a short horn + ported cabinet) in order to reduce the bulk required by the spkr system. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRWIWp8bGsC8tdEsYX7E7 MA6rxBmHwOWb1onre115SFIMmR0nPS/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! 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Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rockolakid at ntlworld.com Sat Jul 11 01:51:01 2009 From: rockolakid at ntlworld.com (rockolakid) Date: Sat Jul 11 02:11:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's In-Reply-To: <547E52EDE7A448B6BB077BC7E2311C23@WilliamHPLap> References: <502834.90445.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <547E52EDE7A448B6BB077BC7E2311C23@WilliamHPLap> Message-ID: <470FF0CC3FB94163A98CCD090137434D@douglasPC> Children children in the words of Mother Mary "Let It Be." Let It Be, Let It Be, Let It Be. Let It Be ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hill" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's > I'm yawning again. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lala Blah Blah" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's > > > Lala Blah Blah (Email nick) is intended exactly for "people like you Bill" > glad your entertained by it.. at least your not "Yawning at that". > > Tony > > --- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Hill wrote: > > > From: William Hill > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:45 PM > > > I think we should talk about the way you cant spell your own name, lol! > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's > > > Well William.. if it makes you yawn then maybe you should be a "Candle > make recieve with 8 tracks and have some fun with that" all of 1.5 watts > total output and also 100% total harmonic distortion. If you didn't get > the insult then I will spell it out.. just delete the AMI ones ok? No > offence but this is a discussion group and I am speaking for others do > like to talk about these AMI machines as they are the forgotten ones and I > enjoy the other users inputs on these wonderful machines.. What would you > like to talk about? Hmmm let me think paint drying on a wall?? LOL > > Tonyy > > --- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Hill wrote: > > > From: William Hill > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:08 PM > > > All this early AMI stuff is making me yawn. How about we talk about > Michael Jackson instead? > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" > > To: > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's > > > > Hi Bob: > Since this discussion was centering around horn loaded spkr systems,such > as the AMI G200 jukebox, I assumed that refrigerator-sized was the order > of the day. A full-sized (no compromise) bass horn, is massive, but > provides about a 6 db boost in efficiency compared to a typical woofer in > an infinite baffle cabinet. It also has greater "throw"--the ability to > faithfully project sound accurately in a large space. Probably one of the > best audio applications for the G200 was to fill the high school gym with > strong,punchy sound for a sock hop, no additional audio equipment needed. > The acoustic-suspension type spkr designs like the AR specialized in > obtaining low-bass fundamentals from small size enclosures,and it was an > important contribution to the science. One of the design tradeoffs was > acoustic efficiency. The AR spkr systems performed well in smaller spaces. > Most of the later AMI jukes after the G, still using the multi-horn > concept, were compromised designs (usually a short horn + ported cabinet) > in order to reduce the bulk required by the spkr system. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Get your dream car or truck. Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRWIWp8bGsC8tdEsYX7E7MA6rxBmHwOWb1onre115SFIMmR0nPS/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. 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Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edisonproductions2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 06:39:37 2009 From: edisonproductions2 at gmail.com (justin sullivan) Date: Sat Jul 11 06:41:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hi there new to the group Message-ID: I have a 1954 AMI f 80. The chrome pieces are in need of replacement. Does anyone have any advice on where I can find any?Thank you for your time and I look forward to being part of this group. Justin From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 07:11:59 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jul 11 07:13:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hi there new to the group Message-ID: <970283.93758.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 7/11/09, justin sullivan wrote: > I have a 1954 AMI f 80. The chrome > pieces are in need of replacement. Does > anyone have any advice on where I can find any?Thank you > for your time and I > look forward to being part of this group. Unless you can find a donor machine, your only other option is re-plating. No reproductions are made. Much of the metalwork on these machines is aluminum, however, and it was more lusterous than shiny. From edisonproductions2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 07:48:53 2009 From: edisonproductions2 at gmail.com (justin sullivan) Date: Sat Jul 11 07:50:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hi there new to the group In-Reply-To: <970283.93758.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <970283.93758.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: thanks for the response david. i'll look for an aluminum re-plater.justin On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:11 AM, David Breneman wrote: > > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, justin sullivan wrote: > > > I have a 1954 AMI f 80. The chrome > > pieces are in need of replacement. Does > > anyone have any advice on where I can find any?Thank you > > for your time and I > > look forward to being part of this group. > > Unless you can find a donor machine, your only other > option is re-plating. No reproductions are made. > Much of the metalwork on these machines is aluminum, > however, and it was more lusterous than shiny. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 09:21:57 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jul 11 09:23:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 2300s (DP) In-Reply-To: <4A5801CA.6030409@telus.net> Message-ID: <990920.75255.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks John--will do. By any chance do you happen to have any replacement pins for the "crummy" type (AMP) used in the 2300 series nylon plugs ?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/10/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 2300s (DP) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 8:06 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Hi all, > My CRS is acting up again--got a customers 2300 (Dual pricing) Wurly here.. It will establish credit lock the selector keys down (PULLS the number coil) but stops at that point.? Selection motor won't advance, and if advanced by hand, won't pull a letter coil ( or release a pin). If pin is released by hand it will function from there on, OK. > Any thoughts ?? Ron Rich > >??? Check the keyboard switch banks for continuity. This is a common problem with older machines - they used a series circuit through the keyboard to allow the selection process to complete. I have NOS keyboard switch banks, but you can usually either repair or bypass the single defective section (this works most of the time). So break out your ohm-meter and get checking! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 11 09:57:10 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Sat Jul 11 09:58:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's References: <502834.90445.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><547E52EDE7A448B6BB077BC7E2311C23@WilliamHPLap> <470FF0CC3FB94163A98CCD090137434D@douglasPC> Message-ID: <14B873F7931145B5B6F99B74E78FACCB@yoursz6x6sefxo> Ah, the Beatles. Michael Jacskon owns that song. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rockolakid" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:51 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's > Children children in the words of Mother Mary "Let It Be." Let It Be, Let > It Be, Let It Be. Let It Be > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Hill" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 2:02 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's > > >> I'm yawning again. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lala Blah Blah" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's >> >> >> Lala Blah Blah (Email nick) is intended exactly for "people like you >> Bill" glad your entertained by it.. at least your not "Yawning at that". >> >> Tony >> >> --- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Hill wrote: >> >> >> From: William Hill >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:45 PM >> >> >> I think we should talk about the way you cant spell your own name, lol! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" >> >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's >> >> >> Well William.. if it makes you yawn then maybe you should be a "Candle >> make recieve with 8 tracks and have some fun with that" all of 1.5 watts >> total output and also 100% total harmonic distortion. If you didn't get >> the insult then I will spell it out.. just delete the AMI ones ok? No >> offence but this is a discussion group and I am speaking for others do >> like to talk about these AMI machines as they are the forgotten ones and >> I enjoy the other users inputs on these wonderful machines.. What would >> you like to talk about? Hmmm let me think paint drying on a wall?? LOL >> >> Tonyy >> >> --- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Hill wrote: >> >> >> From: William Hill >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Received: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:08 PM >> >> >> All this early AMI stuff is making me yawn. How about we talk about >> Michael Jackson instead? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" >> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Great Sound Of Early AMI's >> >> >> >> Hi Bob: >> Since this discussion was centering around horn loaded spkr systems,such >> as the AMI G200 jukebox, I assumed that refrigerator-sized was the order >> of the day. A full-sized (no compromise) bass horn, is massive, but >> provides about a 6 db boost in efficiency compared to a typical woofer in >> an infinite baffle cabinet. It also has greater "throw"--the ability to >> faithfully project sound accurately in a large space. Probably one of the >> best audio applications for the G200 was to fill the high school gym with >> strong,punchy sound for a sock hop, no additional audio equipment needed. >> The acoustic-suspension type spkr designs like the AR specialized in >> obtaining low-bass fundamentals from small size enclosures,and it was an >> important contribution to the science. One of the design tradeoffs was >> acoustic efficiency. The AR spkr systems performed well in smaller >> spaces. >> Most of the later AMI jukes after the G, still using the multi-horn >> concept, were compromised designs (usually a short horn + ported cabinet) >> in order to reduce the bulk required by the spkr system. >> Jim Alexander >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Get your dream car or truck. 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Give the gift of Flickr! >> >> http://www.flickr.com/gift/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Sat Jul 11 10:51:07 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Sat Jul 11 10:52:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hi there new to the group References: Message-ID: <78729AB59A3648888B1C71766F2727CE@PAW> Justin: Hi since you are new to the group please contact me off list if you need any parts for your AMI F-80 as I have severals parts machines and loose parts. Just give me your need . Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hi there new to the group >I have a 1954 AMI f 80. The chrome pieces are in need of replacement. Does > anyone have any advice on where I can find any?Thank you for your time and > I > look forward to being part of this group. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 11:36:15 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jul 11 11:37:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of Early AMI's] Message-ID: <272503.53415.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: > I guess to prove the point before removing the strap, just > disconnect both > pins on that channel (i.e. the signal and ground), so only > the other channel > is in use. If it stops clicking then, you know that is your > problem. If not, don't bother taking the little strap off. I tried something like this today. I simply look the cartridge out of the tonearm (and, of course, disconnected it from the cable). Same as before. If the tonearm cable is plugged into the amp, there's a pop with every pulse in the converter, and a big pop when the pin-pushers engage. If the cable is unplugged from the amp, silence. Sure looks to me like the interference in being introduced in the cable itself. Is there any reason why this test might be a yielding "false positive?" I guess my next task is to inspect the cable and see if I can find any insulation breaks, etc. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jul 11 12:12:51 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jul 11 12:15:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] Message-ID: <20090711.151251.9658.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: The noise pickup could possibly due to a ground loop, being caused by the phono cartridge metal body being mounted to the steel tone arm. The phono wire in the tone arm should either be a miniature twisted pair cable or a miniature shielded-type wire. Make sure the shield or negative (usually blk if twisted pair) line is connected to the G side of your cartridge. Connecting to only the un-bonded audio channel of your stereo mag cartridge is a valid way to test for your interference problem. Either try to isolate the cartridge from the tone arm with tape,plastic screws, etc or leave the cartridge unmounted from the arm, but wired in, and not touching the grounded record changer frame for a few change cycles to see if this stops the interference from the selector system. I know this sounds extreme, but on one occasion this test solved a similar noise problem I had with an old RO juke that had been converted to mag cartridge operation. You may want give this a try. Let me know if it works for you. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Visit the City of Brotherly Love! Click now for great vacation packages to Philadelphia! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZ4aouxDOIRGOlWAAozvOz5NedTQ3tRWTffOCtSFcYcvYv96reOfG/ From edisonproductions2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 12:49:59 2009 From: edisonproductions2 at gmail.com (justin sullivan) Date: Sat Jul 11 12:59:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Painting? Message-ID: I'm sorry for such a newbie question...I have sanded my project down and I'm ready to paint. Only problem is I'm not sure what kind of paint to use. I have a 54 AMI. Has anyone painted one of these before? Thanks for your time. Justin From pinball at telus.net Sat Jul 11 13:04:43 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Jul 11 13:06:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Painting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A58F05B.1090806@telus.net> justin sullivan wrote: > I'm sorry for such a newbie question...I have sanded my project down and I'm > ready to paint. Only problem is I'm not sure what kind of paint to use. I > have a 54 AMI. > > Has anyone painted one of these before? > > Thanks for your time. > Justin > Hey, we were all newbies at one time! As for painting a '54AMI that depends on your taste. I've seen some very nice jobs (candy apple red, or deep blue) done by automotive painters that is really an improvement over the original finish (usually a plain blotchy finish), and others that have brought the wood up to a nice shine and lacquered it. If you want original colour, look under the metal bits to see if enough has remained to get a colour match. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Jul 11 13:23:58 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 11 13:31:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Painting? In-Reply-To: <4A58F05B.1090806@telus.net> References: <4A58F05B.1090806@telus.net> Message-ID: <8CBD07CA79B02B8-1580-302A@WEBMAIL-DZ08.sysops.aol.com> Is anyone familiar with the Rust-Oleum "textured" and "hammered" pray paints? -----Original Message----- From: John Robertson To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2009 3:04 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Painting? justin sullivan wrote:? > I'm sorry for such a newbie question...I have sanded my project down and I'm? > ready to paint. Only problem is I'm not sure what kind of paint to use. I? > have a 54 AMI.? >? > Has anyone painted one of these before?? >? > Thanks for your time.? > Justin? > Hey, we were all newbies at one time!? ? As for painting a '54AMI that depends on your taste. I've seen some very nice jobs (candy apple red, or deep blue) done by automotive painters that is really an improvement over the original finish (usually a plain blotchy finish), and others that have brought the wood up to a nice shine and lacquered it.? ? If you want original colour, look under the metal bits to see if enough has remained to get a colour match.? ? John :-#)#? ? -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames)? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"? ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 14:51:42 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jul 11 14:53:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] Message-ID: <174019.6613.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 7/11/09, James Alexander wrote: > Either try to isolate the cartridge from > the tone arm with tape,plastic screws, etc or leave the > cartridge unmounted from the arm, but wired in, and not > touching the grounded record changer frame for a few change > cycles to see if this stops the interference from the > selector system. I disconnected and removed the cartridge, and the noise persisted, but only if the (now disconnected) cartridge cable was plugged into the amplifier. I think that rules out the cartridge. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 15:54:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jul 11 15:55:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] In-Reply-To: <174019.6613.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <873597.6724.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Just dawned on me--had one a long time ago doing that--Is that cable the type with the twisted braid exposed ? If so, it MUST be isolated from all "metal" as it snakes it's way from the amp to the tonearm.? AMi put several "sleeves" over that wire at critical points, but they are "free" enough to slide along the cable and allow the shield to touch ground.? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 7/11/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 2:51 PM --- On Sat, 7/11/09, James Alexander wrote: >? ? Either try to isolate the cartridge from > the tone arm with tape,plastic screws, etc or leave the > cartridge unmounted from the arm, but wired in, and not > touching the grounded record changer frame for a few change > cycles to see if this stops the interference from the > selector system. I disconnected and removed the cartridge, and the noise persisted, but only if the (now disconnected) cartridge cable was plugged into the amplifier.? I think that rules out the cartridge. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 21:51:05 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jul 11 21:52:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] Message-ID: <95506.16092.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Just dawned on me--had one a long > time ago doing that--Is that cable the type with the twisted > braid exposed ? If so, it MUST be isolated from all "metal" > as it snakes it's way from the amp to the tonearm. AMi put > several "sleeves" over that wire at critical points, but > they are "free" enough to slide along the cable and allow > the shield to touch ground. Ron Rich Yes, it is a twisted pair inside a woven copper shield. I'll check this out. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jul 12 08:18:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jul 12 08:20:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] In-Reply-To: <95506.16092.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <316571.81595.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> More delayed remembrances---Check the cable routing, seems that the audio cable follows a different route once past the center "pipe" that it should be taped to--- Perhaps someone with one of theses models can take a photo ??? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 7/11/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:51 PM --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Just dawned on me--had one a long > time ago doing that--Is that cable the type with the twisted > braid exposed ? If so, it MUST be isolated from all "metal" > as it snakes it's way from the amp to the tonearm.? AMi put > several "sleeves" over that wire at critical points, but > they are "free" enough to slide along the cable and allow > the shield to touch ground.? Ron Rich Yes, it is a twisted pair inside a woven copper shield. I'll check this out. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jul 12 10:13:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jul 12 10:15:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT--Seeburg Shoot the Bear Message-ID: <674865.33015.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Anyone have the cross ref. for the "S-85" lamp, used in these games ? TIA ! Ron Rich ? From pat2355 at aol.com Sun Jul 12 10:07:29 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 12 10:15:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re Rock-ola 1485 jukebox in Oakland Hills In-Reply-To: <316571.81595.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBD12A5F661ABB-8C8-418C@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> Hello All, I went WAY OUT into the hills to look at this project juke. I probably shouldn't have gone, but the owners (SCUMMY) told me that the high offer was getting the juke.This is either to save you a trip or give you better insight into when to run away. I arrived to 3 little old ladies happily exclaiming, you're the guy that's going to give us millions for our jukebox.I went in anyway. No keys, no power, wrong grill (no it isn't, this machine is TOTALLY ORIGINAL !!!) wrong -bad light shield, cut cord, etc. We strung power from another room and put a record back into the machine. (since? one of the little old ladies collects old keys all the keys are in a big box at her place)(another relation had pulled the records because THEY'RE VALUABLE!!!)Turned the machine on, after checking all motors to see they weren't frozen.Does everything except select.. Pin bank is VERY stiff.Push? a pin and it kinda plays the record.Now I know it's a complete machine. We turn it off to avoid heating up the amp. I look over the machine carefully.Number 3 sister comes in with a phony phone offer of $2,000.oo. It needs selection bank buttons,light shield,chrome,a grill, bulbs, tubes,top button bank inserts, paint, polish and amp and mech rebuilt.I already have a better 1485 so I tell them I'll pay $1,000.oo. After they say not enough I tell them what it's worth restored (@ $40000.oo) and if they get a better offer to take it. Machine is probably worth @ $2,000.oo? on ebay after being shined up, but I keep good projects. They still want $4,000.oo, which is more than it's worth, but if you are interested in looking at a nice project for too much money at least you know more. Mike Baute has it right. WHen you waste you're time with unreasonable sellers offer a paid professional appraisal. If you have any questions ... Pat ? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Jul 12 10:23:06 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Jul 12 10:24:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] Message-ID: <293580.22502.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (In checking the cable at Ron's suggestion:) The copper braid is exposed the entire length of the tone arm. There's hardly a point that it *isn't* touching. There is, however, an ugly looking splice a few inches before the RCA plug that connects to the amp. I've never dug into that since the problem only recently got acute. I guess I'm going to spend the next afternoon when I have some spare time really digging into that cable. I've installed enough recording equipment to know that a shield should only be strapped to ground at one end. Maybe the shield is touching the ground wire in that big wad of electrical tape. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jul 12 11:56:21 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jul 12 11:58:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] In-Reply-To: <293580.22502.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <590904.15815.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave, This brings to mind the words "shield" and "drain". I think that a shield is connected at both ends, while a drain is only connected at the "powered" end. Someone please correct me, if that's wrong-- I can not recall if that cable has two wires inside the braid, or just one. I do seem to recall that it had a black, rather stiff tubing placed at various points where it was secured to the frame. I do not, however, recall what was done in the center as it wrapped around the "pipe"--- You did check/change the caps located inside the "pulse converter"--didn't you ? --- On Sun, 7/12/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 10:23 AM (In checking the cable at Ron's suggestion:) The copper braid is exposed the entire length of the tone arm. There's hardly a point that it *isn't* touching.? There is, however, an ugly looking splice a few inches before the RCA plug that connects to the amp.? I've never dug into that since the problem only recently got acute.? I guess I'm going to spend the next afternoon when I have some spare time really digging into that cable.? I've installed enough recording equipment to know that a shield should only be strapped to ground at one end.? Maybe the shield is touching the ground wire in that big wad of electrical tape. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jul 12 14:36:16 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jul 12 14:38:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] Message-ID: <20090712.173616.14030.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Maybe this concept may be of help in solving your noise/interference problem. I can't recommend too many specifics as I have a small amt of tech experience with the AMI jukes of the 50's. When grounding an electronic system, there should be only one reference point to an earth ground. In a juke this is either at the amp or the power junction box, wherever the AC power cord's 3rd pin enters the system. Hopefully, you've updated from the original 2 wire AC cord used on heavy appliances in the 50's. There are a number of other cables within the juke served to the grounding point. Most juke sound systems use what's called an unbalanced ground system---meaning that one side of the audio signal (a 2 wire connection) is referenced to ground. For jukes, this usually means that your phono cartridge input (the shield or the wire connected to the shell of the RCA input plug) should be equal to the reference ground point. There are usually several other wires in the juke (i.e. a wire bonding the record changer frame to ground, maybe the pulse converter chassis?) that should run to the ground point. In wiring systems that are balanced to ground (3 wire connection) there are usually 2 audio wires and a separate grounding (shield?) wire. Ingrounded audio signal cables, the shield is usually connected only at the input of a device, and lifted at the output of the source device. When you have an interference pickup-point like this (David B has pretty well isolated to the mag. phono cartridge input line in his analysis) it is usually do the existence of a ground loop. The loop means that if you were to measure all of the wires running to the central ground point from their sources, one or more them will have resistance (possibly just a fraction of an ohm) from the source to the ground reference. It is the difference between one ground return versus another why the exposed-shield cable or cartridge body should not be touching the tone arm. By finding and fixing the high-resistance connection, it should stop the noise. Mag phono input lines are susceptible to acting as "antennae" for noise pickup becuse of the high degree of amplification present on those lines. It is important, that the shielded phono wire has an unbroken wire path to it's input. If you have a sloppy splice in a phono line, that's a suspect. This might be the reason some juke makers stuck with using the higher-output, but less accurate sounding ceramic element cartridges. Ron Rich is also correct, faulty capacitors or diodes in the pulse generator can generate unwanted noise spikes. Best of luck in solving this elusive problem. Let us know what your solution is. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Need name badges? Click here to find great name badge solutions! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbV97hLKNzS9U5GJJYTWyCVbm6QOXxLLneC3EaWzViv799F44PJpm/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Jul 12 15:24:57 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Jul 12 15:26:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] Message-ID: <2535.48490.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 7/12/09, Ron Rich wrote: > I can not recall if that cable has two wires inside the > braid, or just one. There are two, red and black. > I do seem to recall that it had a black, > rather stiff tubing placed at various points where it was > secured to the frame. I do not, however, recall what was > done in the center as it wrapped around the "pipe"--- Like I said, the copper braid is in contact with the metal tone arm all along its length. This appears to be the original cable, and so I don't suspect it, except that splice near the amp. In taking out and replacing the amp I may have made worse an already poor connection there. That's the next thing I need to check when I have a chance. > You did check/change the caps located inside the "pulse > converter"--didn't you ? Mea cupla. The pulse converter has never given me any trouble (except when the temperature gets down into the 20s), so I've never worked on it. It stands to reason that there may be one or more weak capacitors in there. How do you check them, other than looking for arcing of the contacts? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jul 12 15:49:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jul 12 15:51:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] In-Reply-To: <2535.48490.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <706559.15220.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave, You need a "cap meter" to check them--just replace them, especially if they are "originals". I have found many open originals there-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 7/12/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 3:24 PM --- On Sun, 7/12/09, Ron Rich wrote: > I can not recall if that cable has two wires inside the > braid, or just one. There are two, red and black. > I do seem to recall that it had a black, > rather stiff tubing placed at various points where it was > secured to the frame. I do not, however, recall what was > done in the center as it wrapped around the "pipe"--- Like I said, the copper braid is in contact with the metal tone arm all along its length.? This appears to be the original cable, and so I don't suspect it, except that splice near the amp.? In taking out and replacing the amp I may have made worse an already poor connection there.? That's the next thing I need to check when I have a chance. > You did check/change the caps located inside the "pulse > converter"--didn't you ? Mea cupla.? The pulse converter has never given me any trouble (except when the temperature gets down into the 20s), so I've never worked on it.? It stands to reason that there may be one or more weak capacitors in there. How do you check them, other than looking for arcing of the contacts? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 12 16:44:28 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Jul 12 16:46:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound OfE arly AMI's] References: <590904.15815.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01ca034a$b2dfb8f0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I think the tubing is there just to physically protect from chafing as you slide and turn the mech around. The cable is twisted around the center support and secured by electrical tape, but not isolated from the metal frame there or under the tonearm. I've had this same popping problem on the G, H, I, and J models, but I never tried isolating the pickup cable. I'm anxious to see if it works. Replacing the caps in the pulse converter did not help, although the electrolytic one is part of selector timing circuits and sometimes needs replacing. The addition of the series 10K resistor at the grid of the 12AU7 stopped the popping in each of these machines. Radio Shack sells them 4 for a buck and it takes longer to remove the amp and heat your iron than it does to make the modification. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound OfE arly AMI's] Dave, This brings to mind the words "shield" and "drain". I think that a shield is connected at both ends, while a drain is only connected at the "powered" end. Someone please correct me, if that's wrong-- I can not recall if that cable has two wires inside the braid, or just one. I do seem to recall that it had a black, rather stiff tubing placed at various points where it was secured to the frame. I do not, however, recall what was done in the center as it wrapped around the "pipe"--- You did check/change the caps located inside the "pulse converter"--didn't you ? --- On Sun, 7/12/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Popping from Pulse Converter [Was: Great Sound Of E arly AMI's] To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 10:23 AM (In checking the cable at Ron's suggestion:) The copper braid is exposed the entire length of the tone arm. There's hardly a point that it *isn't* touching. There is, however, an ugly looking splice a few inches before the RCA plug that connects to the amp. I've never dug into that since the problem only recently got acute. I guess I'm going to spend the next afternoon when I have some spare time really digging into that cable. I've installed enough recording equipment to know that a shield should only be strapped to ground at one end. Maybe the shield is touching the ground wire in that big wad of electrical tape. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Jul 12 20:30:21 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jul 12 20:31:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI f-80 chrome, was :Hi there new to the group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A5AAA4D.1070403@west.net> justin sullivan wrote: > I have a 1954 AMI f 80. The chrome pieces are in need of replacement. Does > anyone have any advice on where I can find any?Thank you for your time and I > look forward to being part of this group. Chrome on an AMI F-80? I believe that the metalwork on this box is anodized aluminum, not chrome. Is it missing? Damaged? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Sun Jul 12 20:35:44 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jul 12 20:37:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Painting? In-Reply-To: <8CBD07CA79B02B8-1580-302A@WEBMAIL-DZ08.sysops.aol.com> References: <4A58F05B.1090806@telus.net> <8CBD07CA79B02B8-1580-302A@WEBMAIL-DZ08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A5AAB90.6010405@west.net> jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Is anyone familiar with the Rust-Oleum "textured" and "hammered" spray paints? I've used the gold "hammered" finish on a Seeburg R top back cover, very close match to the original. Application can be a little tricky. Even coats and a relatively warm dry environment help. For best results a coat of primer is a good idea. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Sun Jul 12 20:43:55 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jul 12 20:45:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT--Seeburg Shoot the Bear In-Reply-To: <674865.33015.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <674865.33015.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A5AAD7B.9050200@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Anyone have the cross ref. for the "S-85" lamp, used in these games ? > TIA ! Ron Rich I can find a type 85 which is a wedge-base (push-in) 28-volt indicator. Perhaps the "S" is the manufacturer (Sylvania)? I've seen reference to "GE-47" for a common #47 lamp. Do you have the bad bulb? Schematic give any clue to the voltage? Socket type? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From EJoh100112 at aol.com Sun Jul 12 21:06:28 2009 From: EJoh100112 at aol.com (EJoh100112@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 12 21:11:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT--Seeburg Shoot the Bear Message-ID: About seven years ago I restored a Shoot the bear. I found the bulbs at Grainger's. A box of 10 was $260.00. I could only get about a dozen shots out of each bulb and it would burn out. The way the game works is the 6 v bulb is hit with 13 volts to make it flash. I determined the new Chinese bulbs couldn't take the pressure. I gave up on that idea and mounted a laser pen in the gun barrel. I mounted 3 D cell batteries in the gun stand an ran the circuit through the relay so the pen would pulse when the trigger was pulled. I sold the game and the man has played every day for 7 years without a problem. Red light works just as well as white light. Hope this helps, Ed In a message dated 7/12/2009 8:46:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jay@west.net writes: Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Anyone have the cross ref. for the "S-85" lamp, used in these games ? > TIA ! Ron Rich I can find a type 85 which is a wedge-base (push-in) 28-volt indicator. Perhaps the "S" is the manufacturer (Sylvania)? I've seen reference to "GE-47" for a common #47 lamp. Do you have the bad bulb? Schematic give any clue to the voltage? Socket type? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377098x1 201454399/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) From rellis2007 at aol.com Mon Jul 13 04:31:32 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 13 04:39:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re Rock-ola 1485 jukebox in Oakland Hills In-Reply-To: <8CBD12A5F661ABB-8C8-418C@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBD1C49B213571-1628-F04@WEBMAIL-DG09.sim.aol.com> I am just finishing a 1485 trans smoked ,mech set up ,bad gripper motor, all pins set up, bad light defuser at the top none of the push buttons worked, had to remove , and clean them all, replace the letters abcd at the top , pluse the clear large plastics, buttoms. rebuilt the amp,+ hours an hours of cleaning. cost of project? have yet to add it up. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: pat2355@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:07 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re Rock-ola 1485 jukebox in Oakland Hills Hello All, I went WAY OUT into the hills to look at this project juke. I probably shouldn't have gone, but the owners (SCUMMY) told me that the high offer was getting the juke.This is either to save you a trip or give you better insight into when to run away. I arrived to 3 little old ladies happily exclaiming, you're the guy that's going to give us millions for our jukebox.I went in anyway. No keys, no power, wrong grill (no it isn't, this machine is TOTALLY ORIGINAL !!!) wrong -bad light shield, cut cord, etc. We strung power from another room and put a record back into the machine. (since? one of the little old ladies collects old keys all the keys are in a big box at her place)(another relation had pulled the records because THEY'RE VALUABLE!!!)Turned the machine on, after checking all motors to see they weren't frozen.Does everything except select.. Pin bank is VERY stiff.Push? a pin and it kinda plays the record.Now I know it's a complete machine. We turn it off to avoid heating u p the amp. I look over the machine carefully.Number 3 sister comes in with a phony phone offer of $2,000.oo. It needs selection bank buttons,light shield,chrome,a grill, bulbs, tubes,top button bank inserts, paint, polish and amp and mech rebuilt.I already have a better 1485 so I tell them I'll pay $1,000.oo. After they say not enough I tell them what it's worth restored (@ $40000.oo) and if they get a better offer to take it. Machine is probably worth @ $2,000.oo? on ebay after being shined up, but I keep good projects. They still want $4,000.oo, which is more than it's worth, but if you are interested in looking at a nice project for too much money at least you know more. Mike Baute has it right. WHen you waste you're time with unreasonable sellers offer a paid professional appraisal. If you have any questions ... Pat ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 13 05:31:06 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Mon Jul 13 05:32:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? Message-ID: <107037.81590.qm@web63208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thanks for the tip Rich! I'm looking forward to finishing this project soon.....hopefully...lol.... Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:03 PM Ken, If you are speaking of the large "rubber cone" that fits into the springs on the whole mechanism, and NOT the ones for the CDM itself, they are Rowe part #21153701. Rowe calls them "spring support (lower). Ron Rich --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 4:58 AM Ya know I still have the part manual in the back of the service book;but the rubber bushings I mentioned aren't listed in the parts manual.I would love to get some touch up paint for the silver/gray on the top of the cabinet;not so much worried about the black on the cabinet right now.I will try rowe's site later,but I have a suspicion the juke is too 'old' for their site.Someone out there must be parting one of these out.....hehe.....and the local dist.'s don't carry anything either unless it's parts for the coin & $$ mechanisms.Is there a jukebox classifieds site like they have for the pinball machines?? Thanks! and still looking.......... Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 11:35 AM Didja check with your local Rowe Distrib, or Rowe themselves--best if you look up parts numbers in the book first--they are probably still available ! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: [Jukebox-list] Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 7:14 AM I'm looking for some misc. parts for my jukebox;so if you have one of these you're parting out(or know of one) please let me know.The parts I need include the following: - the top plastic piece to the title?page housing - a cash door with a working lock & key - 2 of those round rubber bushings that go under the springs( under the CD player mechanism) - paint code (????) to match the silver/gray (?) paint to the cabinet door on top & also the code for the black cabinet paint There are some other misc. things but that's all I can remember right now.Thanks in advance if you can help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 13 05:42:10 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Mon Jul 13 05:43:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ROWE CD-51 Message-ID: <982528.14966.qm@web63202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thanks for the tips John! While I'm not totally nuts about it being original(not yet anyways-LOL!),I just want to do things to help the juke last longer.The thin plastic multi-colored shield over the top flour. light tube is a real PITA when it comes to closing the lid-I always have to tuck the bottom edge in by hand just before I close it to keep it from catching itself on the top; of the title page assy.;it seems that the P.O. put a piece of clear mailing tape along the bottom edge to avoid this.There has to be a better way-someone else out there must have one of these! haha........ Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Sun, 7/5/09, John wrote: From: John Subject: [Jukebox-list] ROWE CD-51 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 11:15 PM If I remember correctly there was a multicolor sticker put on the milky plastic top or bottom. There might have been one around the florescent tube. They used either or both of them to control the amount of light on the pages. Unless you are nuts about being original, do whats best for the location. The floro tube light weakens the white plastic inside the box, check the harness hooks. You might check a CD-51A book for paint color, but I would go to a place that can match what you have. Of all the boxes I touched up, they didn't match, from old box to new paint. John the Jukebox Man ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 13 05:47:50 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Mon Jul 13 05:49:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? Message-ID: <447029.17488.qm@web63202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thanks for your help Alan! The only parts I can't seem to locate now are the top plastic piece to the title page assy. & the thin multi-colored plastic shield that covers the top flourescent light;and of course the correct paint for the gray/silver top.I'm looking forward to finally playing my juke with the new cd's in it! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Alan-hood@datex.co.uk wrote: From: Alan-hood@datex.co.uk Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Anyone parting out a Rowe/AMI CD-51 Jukebox? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 4:36 AM Re Ken's enquiry for the spares for the Rowe Ami CD-51, the cash door is the standard Rowe Ami cash door used through the 1100, 1200, R-84, R-89 and CD series jukeboxes likewise the rubbers used under the springs are the same (the latter ones were cut short for some reason). I would assume that Suzo/Happ would list the parts if you can not get used ones, if you were in the UK we stock the above (new and used) also in the UK www.jukeboxparts.co.uk ? or in the USA www.jukeboxparts.com ? and www.victoryglass.com Regards Alan Hood ami-man UK alan-hood@datex.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER The information and any attachment with this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please notify the sender and delete the message immediately. Unauthorised disclosure, distribution and copying of this email are strictly prohibited The opinions expressed within this message are those of the individual author. Whilst Datex Systems takes reasonable steps to scan this email it does not accept liability for any virus that may be contained in it. ____________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jul 13 07:12:15 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jul 13 07:14:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT--Seeburg Shoot the Bear In-Reply-To: <4A5AAD7B.9050200@west.net> Message-ID: <431860.39308.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, Thanks--No I do not have the bulb, nor the game. It's at a friends house. I'll ask him what type of socket it has, and will attempt? to look up a #85 lamp in my lamp book later. I had forgotten that most lamp makers used the "letter" as a mfg code--- ("W" for Westinghouse, "CM"? Chicago Miniature, "TS", Tung Sol----) Ron --- On Sun, 7/12/09, Jay Hennaing wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT--Seeburg Shoot the Bear To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 8:43 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Anyone have the cross ref. for the "S-85" lamp, used in these games ? > TIA ! Ron Rich I can find a type 85 which is a wedge-base (push-in) 28-volt indicator.? Perhaps the "S" is the manufacturer (Sylvania)?? I've seen reference to "GE-47" for a common #47 lamp. Do you have the bad bulb?? Schematic give any clue to the voltage? Socket type? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jul 13 07:21:55 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jul 13 07:23:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT--Seeburg Shoot the Bear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <132923.22373.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ed, Thanks a lot--will pass this on to my friend-- Ron --- On Sun, 7/12/09, EJoh100112@aol.com wrote: From: EJoh100112@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT--Seeburg Shoot the Bear To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 9:06 PM About seven years ago I restored a Shoot the bear. I found the bulbs at? Grainger's. A box of 10 was $260.00. I could only get about a dozen shots out of? each bulb and it would burn out. The way the game works is the 6 v bulb is hit? with 13 volts to make it flash. I determined the new Chinese bulbs couldn't take? the pressure. I gave up on that idea and mounted a laser pen in the gun barrel.? I mounted 3 D cell batteries in the gun stand an ran the circuit through the? relay so the pen would pulse when the trigger was pulled. I sold the game and? the man has played every day for 7 years without a problem. Red light works just? as well as white light. Hope this helps, Ed In a message dated 7/12/2009 8:46:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,? jay@west.net writes: Ron Rich? wrote: > Hi All, > Anyone have the cross ref. for the "S-85" lamp,? used in these games ? > TIA ! Ron Rich I can find a type 85 which? is a wedge-base (push-in) 28-volt indicator. Perhaps the "S" is the? manufacturer (Sylvania)?? I've seen reference to "GE-47" for a common? #47 lamp. Do you have the bad bulb?? Schematic give any clue to? the voltage? Socket type? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network? Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -???http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805? 884-6323 -? WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list? mailing? list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377098x1 201454399/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johntrav at windstream.net Mon Jul 13 06:50:56 2009 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Mon Jul 13 07:52:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Painting? References: <4A58F05B.1090806@telus.net><8CBD07CA79B02B8-1580-302A@WEBMAIL-DZ08.sysops.aol.com> <4A5AAB90.6010405@west.net> Message-ID: <7B6FF56CE8394CCDADA3E295F2A3BB8B@JOHNTRAV> To get a good hammertone finish requires the spraycan be moved across the work at a very steady speed and distance. Otherwise the "splotches" become inconsistant in size and spacing. Practice on a piece of scrap before working on your jukebox. John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Painting? > jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: >> Is anyone familiar with the Rust-Oleum "textured" and "hammered" spray >> paints? > > I've used the gold "hammered" finish on a Seeburg R top back cover, very > close match to the original. Application can be a little tricky. Even > coats and a relatively warm dry environment help. For best results a coat > of primer is a good idea. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Mon Jul 13 08:55:35 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jul 13 08:57:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1493 Princess cabinet finish Message-ID: <4A5B58F7.3020609@west.net> I just picked up one of these cute little jukeboxes. Seems to be in pretty good shape except the cabinet has been painted black. In spots where the paint is flaking off it looks like there is a blond wood finish underneath. Can anyone advise what the original finish was on these? Is it a Di-Noc or similar printed decal or natural wood finish? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 13 09:48:35 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Mon Jul 13 09:50:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe CD-51 Message-ID: <62888.31154.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Oh yes, I remember more now, that light shield was bent, and it straightens out. You might try heating it up, on a 90 degree form, so it bends again. John the Jukebox Man From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jul 13 13:06:00 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jul 13 13:07:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Hi there new to the group (AMI F80 Chrome) Message-ID: Re: replacing the dull trim. Hi Justin. Most of the trim is aluminum. You can polish and buff it back to it's original gleam. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jul 13 13:11:02 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jul 13 13:12:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Hi there new to the group (AMI F80 Chrome) Message-ID: OOPS. I see you possibly misread someone's instructions. You would not have aluminum re-plated. You have it polished. There's only one piece of chrome on the lower grill I can think of on my G that your F would have (essentially the same machine). All your window trims and stuff, all aluminum. You could use some metal polish, or chrome polish on it, but it may not come out looking like quite like chrome. A good buffing will do the trick. These machines were designed to be hi-fi speaker cabinets, not the automotive chrome queens of the day, so don't knock yourself out over it. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jul 13 13:14:49 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Mon Jul 13 13:16:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1493 Princess cabinet finish References: <4A5B58F7.3020609@west.net> Message-ID: <7C2E753D24E5432A8D8AC1E6580B1C99@JUKEBUS> Hi Jay, As you say, these are cute little machines - I have restored and sold over 20 of them! The original finish was Di-Noc or something similar and most of them have now been re-painted or covered with sticky backed plastic. The closest real wood veneer I have found is White Beech. This wood even has the little flecks of purple / magenta that were in the original Di-Noc. Best of luck with it, keep us informed of progress! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1493 Princess cabinet finish I just picked up one of these cute little jukeboxes. Seems to be in pretty good shape except the cabinet has been painted black. In spots where the paint is flaking off it looks like there is a blond wood finish underneath. Can anyone advise what the original finish was on these? Is it a Di-Noc or similar printed decal or natural wood finish? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.12/2235 - Release Date: 07/13/09 05:56:00 From ccos at knology.net Mon Jul 13 13:18:20 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Columbus Coin-Op Shop) Date: Mon Jul 13 13:20:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer OMT 45 Credit Computer Message-ID: <000001ca03f7$10e06fb0$32a14f10$@net> Hi All. Hoping someone here is a little more knowledgeable than I am on these machines. I have a customer who has one that the display has gone dark (isn't on at all), it will not select or play. He has BGM playing through it and the amp and all the fluorescent lighting and pilaster motors are working. The Si5 fuse in the amp was blown but replacing it has not helped. The credit computer is jumpered 0 - F for freeplay, but I still tried the coin switches watching for the LED in the computer, but no dice. I have 9vdc at the power connector to the computer. When I rotate the carousel (it rotates under power), the LED flashes on the credit computer. Since I'm not that experienced on these machines, I can't decide if my problem is most likely in the amp, or in the credit computer. My customer had been inside changing one of the fluorescents in the door when this occurred, but as far as I can see, that's just a coincidence and is unrelated. Any help in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jul 13 13:46:21 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jul 13 13:48:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rockola 1493 Princess cabinet finish + Photo resource Message-ID: When I need jukebox photos, the FIRST place I look is Pinballrebel. He has a photo of your model with a light colored side, so there's a good chance that's what it was. Google/Google image searches are valuable tools. Although a search turned up various results, more than not had light colored wood sides. Here's the Pinballrebel site. he has photos of most jukes made in the USA. If you have a better example of a particular jukebox (some of his photos are from vending company back rooms), send them to him and he'll happily use them. Several of my jukes are on there. http://www.pinballrebel.com/archive/archive.htm Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Mon Jul 13 13:43:16 2009 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Mon Jul 13 13:51:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacing Gold Foil in Seeburg C Message-ID: <967798.40978.qm@web110813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Group, This Saturday I have to go to a customers house and replace the gold interior foil in his Seeburg M100C. I have to do it on location, which I hate. As you all know, the foil is finished out around its perimeter by two moldings, one on each side, plus a moulding along the back of the machine, held fast with many tack. My question is this: What is the easiest way to remove the short U-channel finishing moldings in the left and right bottom of the mechanism compartment so as not to damage the aluminum? I was thinking a blunt knife like a butter knife underneath a sheet of card stock. I hate to remove the rear metal strip on the back of the machine if I dont have to. In fact, i'd hate to remove any more molding than I have to at all, but more so i don't want to damage or bend any of it. Next question is, i have a perfect piece of bottom foil I salvaged from a junker M100C. Can I use that one as a template and "pre-cut" the size, the holes, and everything before I go? It would make it a lot easier, but not if things don't line up when I get there! I thought I'd toss this question out to you guys and ask how you'd do it in the customer's house. I assume using Super 77 brand spray adhesive will work ok? Thanks in advance, John D. Rutoskey From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jul 13 14:04:07 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jul 13 14:05:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Painting? Message-ID: Justin, be sure to put some primer down, The wood will hungrily absorb paint. I used an oil based paint and textured each coat with a foam brush. Oh, and in topics, try to use the Make and model. Manufacturers often built more than one model in any given year, and also, many of the members here can recall a model much easier by number, rather than the year. It helps us help you. Good example would be, and this one's close to both of us: My AMI G was actually built in September or October of 1954 (Components are all marked 9/54 in red grease pencil), so if I asked for an upper grill for a '54 AMI, I'd most likely get one from an F, which won't fit a G. No big deal at all, just something to help us help you. Several of us were just discussing how much we like the F and G models and are owners, so you found a great resource. The F and G are relatively simple in their mechanicals and workings. A great simple jukebox for the beginner or an easy project for the more advanced... and they take well to creative repaints. Here's a before and after of my G minus the mech cover. I eventually got a red one from an F. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20G120/G120BandA-1.jpg Have your mech cover. Treasure it. They're often missing, missing one or both sides, or damaged badly. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Jul 13 14:05:03 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Mon Jul 13 14:06:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Tropicana JBM Record Sleeve Holder - Default Sleeve Photocopy Wanted In-Reply-To: <000001ca03f7$10e06fb0$32a14f10$@net> References: <000001ca03f7$10e06fb0$32a14f10$@net> Message-ID: <001301ca03fd$97c17e10$c7447a30$@force9.co.uk> When the Rowe JBM Tropicana's were shipped from the factory, the record sleeve holder had a default card in it, with a picture of a musical instrument, and a huge list of music types eg Dixieland themes etc. This was on brown card with black/brown text. Does anyone have one they can scan in colour and email me please ? If it's not behind the record sleeve you have, it will probably be slid behind the 7" piece of metal that stores the spare sleeves. Many thanks Nigel, UK From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jul 13 14:21:48 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jul 13 14:24:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer OMT 45 Credit Computer Message-ID: <20090713.172148.11877.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hi Karl: Hope this will help you. I take care of the field service for an out of state Wurlitzer distributor that has a number of machines in the Atlanta area. I have quite a bit of service experience with the OMT machines. In order to make this letter short, I'm going to answer your questions out of order. The Si 5 fuse powers the selection/credit computer. This is the 12VDC + power supply leg. The computer gets no power with an open fuse. It will be normal for the red LED on the SCC chassis to flash with coin insertion or using the free play pushbutton,even with an open fuse. It is not likely that the owner, changing the flourescent lamps triggered the problem. It's best to do this with the unit powered down. By the way, if the pilaster lamps (within the rotating color changers) need to be changed, there is a specific process that must to be followed in changing the lamps. The pilaster plastics need to be removed for proper access. It's also important that only the T8 size cool white lamps are used. Anything that runs hotter will damage the color cylinders/plastics. With the readout display not working, you most likely have an SCC failure. The power supplies on the amp chassis provide power to everything else. If the working background music source is being toggled into the input of the amp,mostly likely the amp ckts are functional. Some background music/juke switchers are setup to toggle the speaker lines. What does not appear normal in your description is that you can make the record carrier scan. This is using the scan lever at the front of the changer? Have you tried making a selection to see if the record chgr acts normally and plays even if there's no readout indication? If it does work, the connection (a 14 pin connector) between SCC and readout may not be made. If nothing responds, there is an SCC failure. Wurlitzer will rebuild defective SCC units,and turn them around quickly. Defective SCC's need to be sent to Wurlitzer via one of their authorized distributors. Some distributors keep SCC's on-hand,and will swap/exchange SCC's for a given price. There have been generational changes made in the SCC operating platform, circa 1996, where the newer SCC's are not backwards compatible to the older ones. OMT's (both vinyl & CD) have been in production since 1988. Contact me off-list if you need more info and pricing. I can help you facilitate this. On the list, I believe that John Robertson's company is a Deutsche Wurlitzer distributor. But I think he's located outside the US in Vancouver B.C., many miles away. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for great quotes from top international movers! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZJC4vnW9o7C3PzBl74ragNpgGR9iO8V9Nzot5ucLkNsi5ikeiyUQ/ From jugert at msn.com Mon Jul 13 15:59:03 2009 From: jugert at msn.com (jugert@msn.com) Date: Mon Jul 13 16:00:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacing Gold Foil in Seeburg C In-Reply-To: <967798.40978.qm@web110813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <967798.40978.qm@web110813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John, I have put new foil liners on many seeburgs. I do not and will not use the small square/diamond pattern (stick & peel) as I have issues with them sagging. For several years I have used victory glasses repro liner for the c and have had excellent results. The secret when installing them is to not rub them down very hard, the little 1/2" x 1/2" squares are suppose to be concaved and pressing too hard sometimes they will stick and just lay flat. If you are using the VG repro liner you will see what I am talking about. I haven't restored any c's in a few years so I hope VG still has them avail. To start you need to remove the mech and the mech mounts. These mech mounts are a pain to remove but they need to come off as the wood toe of the mount rest on top of the liner. You will also want to remove the white metal fence and the left & right side grey diffuser woods pieces, these are screwed down with 2 big phillips screws. You will also have to remove the dome glass support rod (not the dome) and the chrome little cover and be careful not to break the tiny spring steel piece, I have done this a couple of times. I would take a 1" putty knife and slide the corner u-channel moldings out. Pry them out keeping the channel flush with the bottom, they come out very easy and will only come out in his direction. These are stainless and will not bend easily but will bend. I still would pop of the tacks on the back and take the back pieces off, trust me it will be easier to trim the back than it would be to get an exact fit. Be careful if you are using a pattern from diff "c's", I have 4 or 5 different patterns. Best thing to do is to take old sides and bottom off and use them as a pattern. On the sides you will also have to remove the dome locks. If you can't remove the old liner for a pattern just make one out of paper. I use the pattern for the basic outside shapes, after I spray 3m adhesive on both the wood sides & wood bottom I also will spray the liner. I do this all in one step but if this is your first try and I would highly recommend masking the area off and install one piece at a time then trim out the piece then install the 2nd piece, etc. Bottom pattern, I only use the bottom pattern for exact end/side cuts, I leave extra on the front & back that I trim with a blade later for an exact fit.. After you place new bottom foil in place trim the front, trim the back and then cut the hole for the mech cable and the 2 holes for the scan switch along with the slots the mech mounts go through, be careful on these bracket cuts as they are only 1/8" wide and if you do a messy job here it will show. I don't use the pattern to cut out any of the "holes", you will have a nicer looking finished project if you cut the holes with a sharp blade after the liner is in place. The pattern is only for the basic outside ends. Side pattern, I only use this for the entire outside I do not cut the lock hole until after glued in place. After I have the 3 liner pieces cut and the wood ready I mask off any areas you do not want overspray. I spray the wood & spray the liner, I let dry for about 30 minutes before applying. Make sure you put down some wood dowels or small pc's of wood to keep the pieces from sticking together, once they touch --dried glue to dried glue-- they are stuck so use something between them until you are POSITIVE of the position and remove sticks and press down. Make sure to NOT use 3m's "super adhesive" as I have tired and had to do the job over, this has a purple tint and should not be used to install liners or grill cloths. Take this from an expert. USE 3M's general trim adhesive. After I have new liner in place I take 3m adhesive remover and make sure no adhesive is on the liner. You need to do this right away as it it much harder to get off a day later. If this email confuses you please email me I would be happy to help you. If you want info on the product #'s I use also let me know & I will tell you. I just don't have them at my fingertips right now. The repro VG C liner, don't clean it too much, its not very shinny to start with and the more your wipe it the less shine you will have. This whole process now takes me less than an hour to do but my first one I know took a lot of time. My last advice, VG's repro c liners are not very big, it takes 2 pcs to do 1 C. Make sure to think the process out before you start cutting. Keeping in mind the squares and how you want them to align up with each other, best to look your originals over before cutting. The last thing is you need a couple small pcs for the back door. Most of the time I don't have to replace them, if you do make sure to keep the back door pc's in mind. It almost takes an engineer to figure out how to cut both liner pcs so you have enough to do an entire M100C. Steve Loots if you read this email please consider making your repro kit a little bigger to accommodate the entire jukebox. There is no room or error when cutting, both side pcs should mirror themselves it is very easy to cut them wrong. Good luck, Don Jugert Colorful Colorado > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:43:16 -0700 > From: jrutoskey@yahoo.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacing Gold Foil in Seeburg C > > > Hi Group, > > This Saturday I have to go to a customers house and replace the gold interior foil in his Seeburg M100C. I have to do it on location, which I hate. > > As you all know, the foil is finished out around its perimeter by two moldings, one on each side, plus a moulding along the back of the machine, held fast with many tack. > > My question is this: What is the easiest way to remove the short U-channel finishing moldings in the left and right bottom of the mechanism compartment so as not to damage the aluminum? I was thinking a blunt knife like a butter knife underneath a sheet of card stock. > > I hate to remove the rear metal strip on the back of the machine if I dont have to. In fact, i'd hate to remove any more molding than I have to at all, but more so i don't want to damage or bend any of it. > > Next question is, i have a perfect piece of bottom foil I salvaged from a junker M100C. Can I use that one as a template and "pre-cut" the size, the holes, and everything before I go? It would make it a lot easier, but not if things don't line up when I get there! > > I thought I'd toss this question out to you guys and ask how you'd do it in the customer's house. I assume using Super 77 brand spray adhesive will work ok? > > Thanks in advance, > > John D. Rutoskey > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Mon Jul 13 18:34:18 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Jul 13 18:35:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer OMT 45 Credit Computer In-Reply-To: <000001ca03f7$10e06fb0$32a14f10$@net> References: <000001ca03f7$10e06fb0$32a14f10$@net> Message-ID: <4A5BE09A.6030907@telus.net> Hi Karl, Well the first thing to do is to remove the plastic cover from the computer and do a voltage check - I'd check across the Eprom. Should be 5VDC. I've had a few of these have the 5VDC regulator fail due to voltage surges - if this is the case also do a diode check on the 12V power supply diodes, I'll bet one is shorted... I have PDFs of manuals, schematics, and test info located here: http://www.flippers.com/wurlitzr.html John :-#)# Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: > Hi All. > > > > Hoping someone here is a little more knowledgeable than I am on these > machines. I have a customer who has one that the display has gone dark > (isn't on at all), it will not select or play. He has BGM playing through > it and the amp and all the fluorescent lighting and pilaster motors are > working. The Si5 fuse in the amp was blown but replacing it has not helped. > The credit computer is jumpered 0 - F for freeplay, but I still tried the > coin switches watching for the LED in the computer, but no dice. I have > 9vdc at the power connector to the computer. When I rotate the carousel (it > rotates under power), the LED flashes on the credit computer. Since I'm not > that experienced on these machines, I can't decide if my problem is most > likely in the amp, or in the credit computer. > > > > My customer had been inside changing one of the fluorescents in the door > when this occurred, but as far as I can see, that's just a coincidence and > is unrelated. > > > > Any help in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. TIA, > > > > > > > > Karl > > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > > www.columbuscoinopshop.com > > 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd > > STE 18 > > Columbus, GA 31903 > > Shop: 706-507-2963 > > Cell: 706-442-4263 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Jul 13 20:41:29 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Mon Jul 13 20:36:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Painting? Message-ID: <200907132341581.SM02092@[192.168.1.206]> Justin, I've restored dozens of the AMI F and G series jukes. Here's a link to a post I made back in 2007 about flecking the cabinet for these guys. http://webreports.netlojix.com/pipermail/jukebox-list/2007-February/026029.html I couldn't find the other post I made about the painting of the main cabinet, but in short, I use a furniture grade paint made by Muralo - furniture grade because it's made to be handled and/or touched with regularity. I think Muralo paint is a division of Sherwin Williams but I'm not sure. In my area, only actual paint stores sell it...the box stores have no idea what it is. But in short, get a good quality paint. Dutch Boy is NOT a good quality paint. I've used Baer from Home Depot in a pinch and it worked out OK. After the cabinet is painted and flecked, I give it anywhere from 6-8 coats of water-based polyurethene - lightly sanding between each coat. The cabinet turns out looking like shiney plastic when it's done. Best of luck. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Mechanical Music of S. F. mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com Sent 7/13/2009 5:04:07 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Painting? Justin, be sure to put some primer down, The wood will hungrily absorb paint. I used an oil based paint and textured each coat with a foam brush. Oh, and in topics, try to use the Make and model. Manufacturers often b uilt more than one model in any given year, and also, many of the membe rs here can recall a model much easier by number, rather than the year. It helps us help you. Good example would be, and this one's close to both of us: My AMI G was actually built in September or October of 1954 (Components are all marked 9/54 in red grease pencil), so if I asked for an upper grill for a '54 AMI, I'd most likely get one from an F, which won't fit a G. No big deal at all, just something to help us help you. Several of us were just discussing how much we like the F and G models and are owners, so you found a great resource. The F and G are relatively si mple in their mechanicals and workings. A great simple jukebox for the begi nner or an easy project for the more advanced... and they take well to crea tive repaints. Here's a before and after of my G minus the mech cover. I eventually got a red one from an F. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20G120/G120BandA-1.jpg Have your mech cover. Treasure it. They're often missing, missing one or both sides, or damaged badly. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Jul 14 02:04:53 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Jul 14 02:06:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. Message-ID: <7754-4A5C4A35-1195@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Still working on a Wurlitzer 547 amp out of a 3100 Americana. Has only one channel working. The other channel is very very weak. Problem is definately in the circuit board with the small transistors on it. I believe its the pre-amp or driver board. I have replaced all the capacitors in the failed channel. Checked the diodes, and checked the resistors. All ok. I have replaced Q1 thru Q5 , which are the transistors used in the failed channel, no change, but Im wondering about something I did. Im mostly a tube-amp guy, and I used my Weller 8200 soldering gun to install the NTE 102A transistors. Question is: can the 102A's take the soldering gun, or should I have used a lower wattage iron to install them? Anyone have this module out of a scrap amp they might want to sell? Spinning my wheels on this one. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jul 14 08:43:45 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jul 14 08:47:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. Message-ID: <20090714.114345.7915.2@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> It's not good to apply much heat to transistor leads. A 25 to 30 W soldering iron (max) intended for ckt board-level work is what you should use. It's also a good idea to use something as a heat sink, clamped to the transistor lead to carry away the heat. A pair of needle-nose pliers will do a good job for this. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Everything looks better on a beautiful new projector screen! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWP4NR7d4tc4jPWdbSXEpFXJYaiJSDB7Vy7LnO5fyybS8Vo454s1q/ From pinball at telus.net Tue Jul 14 10:47:27 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Jul 14 10:49:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. In-Reply-To: <7754-4A5C4A35-1195@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <7754-4A5C4A35-1195@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <4A5CC4AF.4010204@telus.net> James McClave wrote: > Still working on a Wurlitzer 547 amp out of a 3100 Americana. Has only > one channel working. The other channel is very very weak. Problem is > definately in the circuit board with the small transistors on it. I > believe its the pre-amp or driver board. I have replaced all the > capacitors in the failed channel. Checked the diodes, and checked the > resistors. All ok. I have replaced Q1 thru Q5 , which are the > transistors used in the failed channel, no change, but Im wondering > about something I did. Im mostly a tube-amp guy, and I used my Weller > 8200 soldering gun to install the NTE 102A transistors. Question is: can > the 102A's take the soldering gun, or should I have used a lower wattage > iron to install them? Anyone have this module out of a scrap amp they > might want to sell? Spinning my wheels on this one. Thanks, Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > NEVER solder solid state electronic components with a soldering gun! (well maybe bridge rectifiers are OK...) You must use a grounded tip soldering iron or temperature controlled station. Soldering guns can have voltage relative to ground at the tip and may destroy transistors, etc. You may have killed the transistors you put in. Oh, and I would replace any electrolytic capacitors in that amp - both channels - as they are simply too old to be reliable. If you are pretty sure the transistors are OK, then look for damaged traces and resistors that may have drifted in value - use an ohm-meter to check these. If you can power up the amp on your bench and have a signal source and speakers you can do an old repair trick of using a capacitor to bridge a signal from the good side of the amp to the bad and listen for the signal at the speaker. You provide signal to the both channels, and hook up the speakers to first make sure the system is working (one channel is OK). Now disconnect the speaker from the working channel (or set to a very low speaker tap) and then try bridging from identical points in each circuit with a 0.47ufd capacitor - such as volume left and volume right center taps. If you now get output in the previously unworking side you now know the problem is in the preamp. Split the preamp in half (mentally!) and try hooking across now...anything? If yes, problem is before if no problem is likely after the test point. You do run the risk of damaging the amp ifyou are not careful or if you can not read a schematic - at some point you may want to get professional help. Be VERY careful not to short adjacent parts to the test points!!! If you try this in tube amps watch out for HV shocks!!!!!! John :-#)# John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From gibson510 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 14 18:43:06 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Tue Jul 14 18:44:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] changing foil in seeburg c Message-ID: Hey john, i've done many C restos. The side trim should pull right out by hand. They only have the small "barb catches". Don't try to shortcut and not remove the back trim. If the glue you are using lifts down the road the trim piece will keep the foil in check. Regarding the old piece as a template, most assuredly do it that way and precut all the holes. Leave a 1/8 inch overlap on the sides to be sure. I don't know if you are using 3M type spray tack but you'd better take some newspaper, disposable gloves, and blue painters tape to cover and mask off anywhere you don't want glue. You can try spraying just the foil, but it wont hold as good as if you spray the cabinet interior and the foil both. Spray both and wait about 45 -60 seconds to tack before mating. Regards, Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Jul 14 19:22:57 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Jul 14 19:24:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. In-Reply-To: John Robertson 's message of Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:47:27 -0700 Message-ID: <17181-4A5D3D81-916@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Thanks for the good info. I was wary about using the soldering gun on the transistors. Im so used to working on tube amps. I know the problem is in the mudule with the small transistors in it. At the very end {output} of the module there are 4 wires, 2 pairs of white and red wires where you can unsolder them easily and run the output of the "A" channel to the "B" final output curcuitry , and vice-versa. I did this and the problem always follows the "A" channel output being bad. In other words, when I run the "B"output of the module to the rest of the "A" cicuitry, its good and I have output. I have replaced all the caps on the "A" channel side, no help. Found a couple of resistors that had drifted out of specs a bit , and replaced them. Im afraid I probably zapped the transistors with the soldering gun. I did try to do it fast so as not to put any more heat on there than necessary. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 14 19:27:06 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Tue Jul 14 19:29:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. In-Reply-To: <17181-4A5D3D81-916@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <17181-4A5D3D81-916@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <8E4967F2E2194CA6B667E94CCC821C7C@WilliamHPLap> Get a nice pencil soldering iron. Even a radio shack one is better than what you have. That gun is like a blow-torch to modern (or semi modern) electronics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. > Thanks for the good info. I was wary about using the soldering gun on > the transistors. Im so used to working on tube amps. I know the problem > is in the mudule with the small transistors in it. At the very end > {output} of the module there are 4 wires, 2 pairs of white and red wires > where you can unsolder them easily and run the output of the "A" channel > to the "B" final output curcuitry , and vice-versa. I did this and the > problem always follows the "A" channel output being bad. In other > words, when I run the "B"output of the module to the rest of the "A" > cicuitry, its good and I have output. I have replaced all the caps on > the "A" channel side, no help. Found a couple of resistors that had > drifted out of specs a bit , and replaced them. Im afraid I probably > zapped the transistors with the soldering gun. I did try to do it fast > so as not to put any more heat on there than necessary. Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Jul 14 19:29:27 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Jul 14 19:31:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. In-Reply-To: John Robertson 's message of Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:47:27 -0700 Message-ID: <17165-4A5D3F07-2414@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> John, about the bridging method, where should I bridge? I know without any doubt that the problem is in this pre-amp. It is not in the dual volume control, or anywhere else in the amp. So, should I bridge across each transistor output collector or emitter, or just bridge the base? Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Jul 14 19:32:37 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Jul 14 19:34:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. In-Reply-To: "William Hill" 's message of Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:27:06 -0400 Message-ID: <17180-4A5D3FC5-1131@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> I know Bill ,I confess , im guilty. its rare that Im working on an amp this new. Usually im into the 40s and 50s stuff that can take it ! Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 14 19:36:15 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Tue Jul 14 19:38:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. In-Reply-To: <17180-4A5D3FC5-1131@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <17180-4A5D3FC5-1131@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Spend a few bucks and get a nice Weller station with adjustable temperature. You can do delicate and blow torch applications with it. Mine works well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. >I know Bill ,I confess , im guilty. its rare that Im working on an amp > this new. Usually im into the 40s and 50s stuff that can take it ! Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From donshawnmyself at aol.com Tue Jul 14 19:41:18 2009 From: donshawnmyself at aol.com (donshawnmyself@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 14 19:49:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] correct color 1015 question Message-ID: <8CBD30CDD4E5F13-1F4-F25@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> Can anyone tell me the correct color "brown" to use on the inside and back of a 1015 cabinet? Thanks Don From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 14 19:50:02 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Tue Jul 14 19:52:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] correct color 1015 question In-Reply-To: <8CBD30CDD4E5F13-1F4-F25@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBD30CDD4E5F13-1F4-F25@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Krylon - Leather Brown. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] correct color 1015 question > Can anyone tell me the correct color "brown" to use on the inside and back > of a 1015 cabinet? > > Thanks > Don > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From donshawnmyself at aol.com Tue Jul 14 19:58:22 2009 From: donshawnmyself at aol.com (donshawnmyself@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 14 20:06:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] correct color 1015 question In-Reply-To: References: <8CBD30CDD4E5F13-1F4-F25@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBD30F3FD8A26F-AD8-A2B@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> Is this in a spray can? If so how does it turn out with application? I was planning on using an airless sprayer, but if this looks good i might try. Anybody else have any suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: William Hill To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:50 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] correct color 1015 question Krylon - Leather Brown.? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: ? To: ? Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:41 PM? Subject: [Jukebox-list] correct color 1015 question? ? > Can anyone tell me the correct color "brown" to use on the inside and back > of a 1015 cabinet?? >? > Thanks? > Don? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From jay at west.net Tue Jul 14 20:11:02 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jul 14 20:12:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. In-Reply-To: <7754-4A5C4A35-1195@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <7754-4A5C4A35-1195@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <4A5D48C6.5070100@west.net> James McClave wrote: > Still working on a Wurlitzer 547 amp out of a 3100 Americana. Has only > one channel working. The other channel is very very weak. Problem is > definately in the circuit board with the small transistors on it. I > believe its the pre-amp or driver board. I have replaced all the > capacitors in the failed channel. Checked the diodes, and checked the > resistors. All ok. I have replaced Q1 thru Q5 , which are the > transistors used in the failed channel, no change, but Im wondering > about something I did. Im mostly a tube-amp guy, and I used my Weller > 8200 soldering gun to install the NTE 102A transistors. Question is: can > the 102A's take the soldering gun, or should I have used a lower wattage > iron to install them? Anyone have this module out of a scrap amp they > might want to sell? Spinning my wheels on this one. Thanks, Jim Bipolars are pretty tough, and it's doubtful that the soldering gun damaged the semiconductors. However, that isn't the best tool for the job and is likely to cause other problems such as lifting traces from the circuit board. You should really get a temperature controlled soldering station for this kind of work, as well as a "Soldapullt" or similar vacuum desoldering tool or wicking braid. One advantage of a stereo amplifier is the ability to do A-to-B comparisons of voltages, etc. from the working channel. Also, the NTE102A is a generic replacement part. It is possible that the spacing and orientation of the leads are different from the original transistor. You need to ensure that the emitter, base, and collector go to the same locations as the original even if the original part is a different physical case. There are people on the list who repair amplifiers if you get stuck. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Jul 14 20:13:38 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Jul 14 20:15:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] correct color 1015 question In-Reply-To: donshawnmyself@aol.com's message of Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:41:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1229-4A5D4962-4178@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> I think I used a dark walnut brown . Brushed it on out of a can. Interior semi-gloss . Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Jul 14 20:18:57 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Jul 14 20:20:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. In-Reply-To: Jay Hennigan 's message of Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:11:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1234-4A5D4AA1-1695@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Thanks Jay , I think I just might be "stuck" ... but you said it is unlikely the soldering gun ruined the NTE 102's , and another list member very sternly claims to never use a gun on any semi-conductor??? I know we all have some different opinions, but whats the likelihood of the transistors being shot now? tks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 14 20:22:19 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Tue Jul 14 20:24:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] correct color 1015 question In-Reply-To: <8CBD30F3FD8A26F-AD8-A2B@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBD30CDD4E5F13-1F4-F25@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> <8CBD30F3FD8A26F-AD8-A2B@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2A85657A7806474EB8586927A6586B38@WilliamHPLap> It's a spray can but it goes on well. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] correct color 1015 question > Is this in a spray can? If so how does it turn out with application? I was > planning on using an airless sprayer, but if this looks good i might try. > Anybody else have any suggestions? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Hill > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:50 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] correct color 1015 question > > > Krylon - Leather Brown.? > ? > ----- Original Message ----- From: ? > To: ? > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:41 PM? > Subject: [Jukebox-list] correct color 1015 question? > ? >> Can anyone tell me the correct color "brown" to use on the inside and >> back > of a 1015 cabinet?? >>? >> Thanks? >> Don? >> _______________________________________________? >> Jukebox-list mailing list? >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From EJoh100112 at aol.com Tue Jul 14 20:26:04 2009 From: EJoh100112 at aol.com (EJoh100112@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 14 20:27:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] correct color 1015 question Message-ID: There is no stock color to match the 1015 exactly. I've tried many over the years. If you are picky your best bet would take a sample of clean original to a good paint store. They should be able to match it pretty close. There is some black in the original color. Ed **************Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove00000001) From jay at west.net Tue Jul 14 20:37:59 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Jul 14 20:39:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. In-Reply-To: <1234-4A5D4AA1-1695@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <1234-4A5D4AA1-1695@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <4A5D4F17.7090402@west.net> James McClave wrote: > Thanks Jay , I think I just might be "stuck" ... but you said it is > unlikely the soldering gun ruined the NTE 102's , and another list > member very sternly claims to never use a gun on any semi-conductor??? > I know we all have some different opinions, but whats the likelihood of > the transistors being shot now? tks, Jim Probably 50%. But not necessarily due to the use of the soldering gun. As others have pointed out, the Weller 8200 series isn't made for this type of thing. The problems are: * It's big and heavy. Difficult to maneuver, huge tip, you're likely to bridge connections. Not suited to fine work. * Tip temperature not controlled. For small printed circuit work it is likely to get too hot. * Magnetic field/voltage issues. These are essentially a transformer from the power line with a one-turn secondary. You can use them to degauss CRTs. The tip is electrically isolated from the power line but there could be voltage transients. It isn't grounded. This is more often a problem with FETs and CMOS integrated circuits than with bipolar transistors. Pulling the trigger creates a fat transient spike. OK, why 50% if soldering isn't the likely culprit? * Maybe damaged by soldering (heat or voltage spike) as suggested. * Soldering gun could have shorted something else on the board that damaged the transistors. * The original fault on the board blew out the first transistor and hadn't been fixed, replacement is now blown too. * Replacement installed incorrectly due to different physical orientation of leads. * Something off-board (power supply, etc.) is out of spec and damaging the board. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From mrwilson at rogers.com Tue Jul 14 20:52:27 2009 From: mrwilson at rogers.com (mrwilson) Date: Tue Jul 14 21:00:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hello To The Group & Rockola 437 Ultra Message-ID: <44497127-7FAE-48E5-8D46-3DF997F13A20@rogers.com> Hi All. New to the Jukebox world and was glad to find this group as I have a lot of questions and a lot to learn. Just bought a Rockola 437 Ultra and have a couple of quick questions before my service manual arrives. 1. The installed ss amplifier appears to operate on the left channel only - any common areas to look for before I dig in? I'm wondering if possibly the mute relay could be stuck "muted" on the right channel only? 2. I have all the animation gear installed but the previous owner has removed the AC motor - has anyone found a suitable substitute/ replacement? (Jackie bought a 437 in 2006, I see, is she still around? Regards, MR From webmaster at guestwho.com Tue Jul 14 21:57:31 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Tue Jul 14 21:59:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Broken pin on tube socket Message-ID: Hi all, I was working on my 543 amp again, and I broke one of the pins (pin 7) on V10. This socket is for a 6973 tube (4 of these in total). I was able to remove the broken pin, but I wasn't able to remove an unused from another socket to replace it! Is there a way to remove/replace just a single pin or do I have to replace the entire socket ? Schematic: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/wurlitzer_543_amp.pdf Broken pin: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/socket-pin.jpg If I have to replace the socket, I was thinking ebay #200361420302 (8 Pin Amphenol Octal Tube Socket NOS (4 Sockets)) Chris From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 15 07:56:24 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 15 08:00:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Broken pin on tube socket Message-ID: <20090715.105624.25317.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hello Chris: The correct tube socket type for a 6973 tube is called a 9 pin miniature socket. The 8-pin octal socket you are referring to in your e Bay find is a larger diameter 8 pin socket with larger pin sizes that is not compatible with your needs. Electronics parts distributing houses catering to classic electronics carry new replacement tube sockets. With broken pins, it's generally best to replace the tube socket than attempt to repair it. This will mean drilling out the riveted fasteners,and unsoldering, resoldering all wires/connections. Take care to note all connections before you undo them. Two parts houses with on-line sales in the US that carry replacement tube sockets are Parts Express (web: www.partsexpress.com) and Antique Electronic Supply (web: tubesandmore.com) You'll notice that both vendors offer a choice of several 9 pin tube sockets. They differ in their mounting (buy the type that matches your old one) whether they are made of plastic or ceramic (6973 tubes tend to run hot) and whether there are ground connection lugs around the perimeter of the socket. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ343GtdtWbNaQUj2lthhusBbEnqmHnTdgubKmJuuWyScHwvFPHOI/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 15 08:33:54 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 15 08:36:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. Message-ID: <20090715.113354.19770.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> James: Transistors can be tested, but they will need to be (at least) partially from the circuit and tested with a checker unit. If you don't have one of these, the only other practical test is to power up the amplifier and begin testing your way through the circuits systematically like John Roberson mentioned in an earlier letter on this thread. There is the possibility that whatever circuit is faulty in your amp is applying the incorrect parameters to your replacement NTE transistors and may have damaged them. Something that needs to be determined is what caused the original transistors to fail. Usually, the capacitors in a 30 + year old amp will be a prime suspect. Last--applying excess heat to transistors when soldering leads can cause damage. You should be using a low wattage pencil-type soldering iron and low-temp 60/40 rosin core solder when working on printed ckt boards and transistors. When applying the soldering iron tip to the transistor lead for connection, use a needle-nose plier on the transistor lead to act s a heat sink and carry off the heat. Soldering tips can present a small voltage to the device being soldered,and that is a concern for today's microcircuits, but it's less of a concern for old solid state equipment like your W547 amp. The amp power should be off while servicing it, and you should be standing on a grounded floor surface. (static electricity can damage sensitive circuits) If you intend to buy a temperature-controlled soldering station for this work, a good entry-level one is the Weller WCT-100 at a cost of circa $50, sold at electronics parts houses. If you plan to to do a lot of board level repair work like this, you should invest in one of the better pro-quality soldering stations. Hope this helps to eliminate the confusion, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2boa3j9EjvQZvLjEaLKsmldgQbdiFV9qrm00bw6ipQBBPVloSdC/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jul 15 09:47:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jul 15 09:49:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted "Amp-Lock" pins Message-ID: <496166.51090.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I am still searching for the pins for the early nylon housings used by Seeburg (in the LPC series), and Wurlitzer ( in the 2300 series) phonos. R/O also used them.? They were made by Amp inc., and called "Amp-Lock" pins. Both the socket and cap used the same pin. They look sorta like an "upside-down V" and just slide together to mate. I have found what I think is the Amp part #--60064-1--Also the WICO #--23-194600. Any leads?--Please contact me ! TIA Ron Rich From mrothma at emory.edu Wed Jul 15 10:49:53 2009 From: mrothma at emory.edu (Michael Rothman) Date: Wed Jul 15 11:09:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi H-100 Smashed Dome Message-ID: <20090715134953.488928rhfxhbvwsh@webmail.service.emory.edu> Hey Everyone, I just bought an AMi H-100 and had it delivered the other day and despite the excellent packaging by Craters and Freighters.... my worst nightmare happened and the dome arrived smashed. I was crushed.. This is an EXCELLENT original machine and I paid extra to may sure that everything arrived safe. There was also some damage to the gripper arm, black mech covers and the pink plastic inner dome trim. It sounds like C & R will cover the cost of the replacement parts (if I can find them), and I'm trying hard to locate these parts. If anyone may have any of these (especially the dome, of course), please contact me. Thanks very much in advance for your help. -- Michael Rothman (mrothma@emory.edu) From bobe at halted.com Wed Jul 15 11:03:54 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Wed Jul 15 11:20:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi H-100 Smashed Dome Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090715180354.0097cfe0@hsces.com> At 01:49 PM 7/15/2009 -0400, you wrote: >Hey Everyone, > >I just bought an AMi H-100 and had it delivered the other day and >despite the excellent packaging by Craters and Freighters.... my worst >nightmare happened and the dome arrived smashed. I was crushed.. This >is an EXCELLENT original machine and I paid extra to may sure that >everything arrived safe. There was also some damage to the gripper >arm, black mech covers and the pink plastic inner dome trim. So it sounds like they did not crate it, as their name seems to imply? --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 15 11:26:27 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Wed Jul 15 11:28:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi H-100 Smashed Dome References: <2.2.32.20090715180354.0097cfe0@hsces.com> Message-ID: I used them once and my outcome was better than yours but I still wasn't impressed. Maybe we should change their name to Crashers & Bashers? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Ellingson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi H-100 Smashed Dome > At 01:49 PM 7/15/2009 -0400, you wrote: >>Hey Everyone, >> >>I just bought an AMi H-100 and had it delivered the other day and >>despite the excellent packaging by Craters and Freighters.... my worst >>nightmare happened and the dome arrived smashed. I was crushed.. This >>is an EXCELLENT original machine and I paid extra to may sure that >>everything arrived safe. There was also some damage to the gripper >>arm, black mech covers and the pink plastic inner dome trim. > > So it sounds like they did not crate it, as their name seems to imply? > > --Bob > ======================================================================= > Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com > Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com > 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 > Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 15 11:31:28 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 15 11:33:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi H-100 Smashed Dome Message-ID: <20090715.143128.25407.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Hello, Michael: Sorry to hear of your loss. Have you checked with Victory Glass? (web: www.victoryglass.com) In addition to their repro items they do have some "parts donor" jukes for original parts sales. Have you heard of Lloyd Thorburn in Germantown MD.?? The name of his company is Coin-Op Warehouse (web: www.coinopwarehouse.com) PH 703 801 1439 Last time I communicated with him, he had several of the AMI models with the wrap-around domes. You might need to call him---he has a lot of stuff to sell not listed on his site. There seems to be quite a few of these machines in the Carolinas, Va, and Md if you have any contacts there. I'm sure you're aware of John Durfee at www.jukeboxparts.com in MA, right? He's got a lot of hard-to-find items. Last, you might want to try Roy Dean at Jukebox Junkyard in Lizella GA. He's got an oddball collection of items to sell. A tip, though---don't make Dean aware that you're in a "hard search" to find this glass---if he senses that, the cost to you will likely double. I can point you to a few other resources if none of these pan out for you. Good Luck Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ34098JTu2ZSICRWHg5J6k9G1oXYA3nUaTEHZt6lVFOfi1Xmqh12/ From jay at west.net Wed Jul 15 11:58:55 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Jul 15 12:00:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Broken pin on tube socket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A5E26EF.4040007@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > Hi all, > > I was working on my 543 amp again, and I broke one of the pins (pin 7) > on V10. This socket is for a 6973 tube (4 of these in total). I was able > to remove the broken pin, but I wasn't able to remove an unused from > another socket to replace it! > > Is there a way to remove/replace just a single pin or do I have to > replace the entire socket ? You can replace just the pin, and this can save a lot of time. Yours is a 9-pin miniature socket. The base has a large D-shaped opening on the top facing the tube which narrows to a slot on the bottom side. The business end of the pin rests in the D-shaped opening and grips the tube pin, and the solder tab protrudes out the slot in the bottom. During manufacture, after the pin is inserted into the slot, a dimple is made in the solder tab to hold it in place. You'll want to find a similar socket either new or in use on the same jukebox with an unused pin, ideally one that has never been soldered. With a pair of longnose pliers, flatten out the dimple of your donor pin. Make sure the solder tab is sticking straight out of the base. Then push it out of the donor socket and insert it where the pin is missing in your socket. Then, you'll then need to re-dimple or otherwise secure the pin in place. Making the dimple can be tough, usually bending the solder tab where it comes out of the base is sufficient. Don't use glue. > Schematic: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/wurlitzer_543_amp.pdf > > Broken pin: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/socket-pin.jpg > > If I have to replace the socket, I was thinking ebay #200361420302 (8 > Pin Amphenol Octal Tube Socket NOS (4 Sockets)) No, these are for the larger tubes and the pins aren't compatible. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From webmaster at guestwho.com Wed Jul 15 12:28:22 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Wed Jul 15 12:30:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Broken pin on tube socket In-Reply-To: <20090715.105624.25317.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090715.105624.25317.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <37F594A19A27461A834E392451E9600B@CHRISLAPTOP> Thanks Jim. How about ebay #130165185372 (9 PIN MINIATURE TUBE SOCKET INSERT NOS Fits 12AX7 -USA) ? They are 99c and a stone's throw from me (probably ship in 2 days). These look identical to what I have, and at least two of the other tubes are 12AX7A, so I'm guessing all the sockets on this 543 are the same style ? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Broken pin on tube socket Hello Chris: The correct tube socket type for a 6973 tube is called a 9 pin miniature socket. The 8-pin octal socket you are referring to in your e Bay find is a larger diameter 8 pin socket with larger pin sizes that is not compatible with your needs. Electronics parts distributing houses catering to classic electronics carry new replacement tube sockets. With broken pins, it's generally best to replace the tube socket than attempt to repair it. This will mean drilling out the riveted fasteners,and unsoldering, resoldering all wires/connections. Take care to note all connections before you undo them. Two parts houses with on-line sales in the US that carry replacement tube sockets are Parts Express (web: www.partsexpress.com) and Antique Electronic Supply (web: tubesandmore.com) You'll notice that both vendors offer a choice of several 9 pin tube sockets. They differ in their mounting (buy the type that matches your old one) whether they are made of plastic or ceramic (6973 tubes tend to run hot) and whether there are ground connection lugs around the perimeter of the socket. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ343GtdtWbNaQUj2lthhusBbEnqmHnTdgubKmJuuWyScHwvFPHOI/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From fo19 at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 13 11:45:22 2009 From: fo19 at embarqmail.com (frank olivieri) Date: Wed Jul 15 13:07:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1050 selection system Message-ID: <004201ca03ea$14285aa0$3c790fe0$@com> Hello. Here's my question. Ihave a Wurlitzer 1050. Sometimes it will play same record again and again. Then on its own begin to work just fine. Any ideas? Thanks, Frank. From seeburgman at zonnet.nl Wed Jul 15 06:40:48 2009 From: seeburgman at zonnet.nl (=?Windows-1252?Q?Ren=E9_Lengemann?=) Date: Wed Jul 15 13:07:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2100 and parts for sale Message-ID: <876B594070EA44D0B37565C466ED01D9@Ren> Hi Berry, Could you send me some pictures of the 2100? Do you also have slug rejectors for the 2000? Kind Regards, Rene From blackj at internode.on.net Wed Jul 15 13:01:22 2009 From: blackj at internode.on.net (Jeffrey Black) Date: Wed Jul 15 13:09:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Ultra 437 Animation Message-ID: <001b01ca0587$07972430$16c56c90$@on.net> MR, welcome to the group. You'll find a few 437 owners lurk about the list. Not sure with the amp troubleshooting, but the very experienced technician who rebuilt my amp would disconnect the turntable input, and touch the pins on the t/t connector with a screwdriver to get noise. This eliminated the cartridge from the equation as a possible problem. Then reversed the wiring on the door speakers to eliminate faulty speakers or wiring. I guess if the left side is still missing, then an amp rebuild should be considered. BTW, my 437 doesn't have the crossover assembly on the door - the wiring comes from the amp directly to the speaker connectors. As to the animation motor - mine was burnt out completely, so I bought a low geared motor (I think about 4rpm), built a new mount and ran a belt onto the original roller bearing. Here in Australia, the 117v Is a problem, so I powered this motor on 240v (our standard) and concealed the power cable out through the same rear exit hole - so two power cables!! Be very careful that the grey plastic moire does not rub on the city animation. I've seen many examples when 40 years of rubbing has eaten into the city lights and spoiled it. Mine was scratched when I got it - but not as bad as some. Check the moire tension regularly, and inspect it for slumping/rubbing. I'd love someone to make reproductions of the city animation for 437 owners!!! Cheers, Jeffrey Black From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 15 13:07:57 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 15 13:11:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Broken pin on tube socket Message-ID: <20090715.160757.5652.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Yes Chris, all of the tube sockets used on your amplifier are 9 pin miniature types and a socket that accepts a 12AX7 will accept the 6973 tube as well. But take caution--there are differences in 9 pin socket types. You'll notice that the sockets for the 6973's on your amp have chassis mounting tabs, (where the socket fastens to the chassis) and the solder lugs underneath are intended for hand-wired connections. There may also be grounding tabs around the perimeter. If there are no wires attached to these,you won't need them. The other 9-pin sockets on your amp are the type to fit onto a printed circuit board. Some 9 pin sockets are built to accept tube shields (metal cans that snap-fit over the tubes) Not right for your application. Some 9 in sockets are high-temp type where the socket material is made of a ceramic element (usually white color) intended to be used with hot-running tubes. The 6973's are hot tubes. Check all this out before you buy sockets on eBay. Jay Hennigan described a way to replace individual tube socket pins here. If you can make that technique work, it will be an easier chore than replacing the entire socket. Personally, I've never had much luck doing that. I find that the socket base usually cracks, dislodging the pin. If your socket base is not damaged, you will be able to use a replacement socket pin from another chassis-mount socket intended for hand-wiring. If the socket base is cracked, it cannot be serviced using glue. Due to the tube's heat, the glue will not hold for long. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your fix. Click here for reliable handyman services! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdlYt9idRZefSIyRmretEfQ7PgJuWqROQMWUM83ZoFI34FpDapnXa/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 15 13:32:45 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 15 13:36:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1050 selection system Message-ID: <20090715.163245.28438.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Frank: You need to look at the selector drum located below the record carrier. You will see that there are pins facin upward on the drum. Each one represents one selection. You will see that there is a rotating arm,that rotates just above the pins. When you write in a letter-number song selection, the arm rotates, stops at the chosen selection and there is a solenoid that "pops" the pin up. When the chgr mech begins scanning looking for pulled pins (the readout) the arm rotates and there are 2 microswitches (1 for odd side selection, 1 for even) with copper swingarms that get tripped by the pulled pins. The tripping of the microswitches cause the record carrier to stop and play the selection. Common problems to check when you have erratic operation like you're describing: Check to determine whether your error is happening with the write in or the read out function. The most common complaint is a failure/partial failure of the readout microswitches. If this is what's wrong, you will usually need to find original replacements from a parts-donor record changer. The current-editions of microswitches have slightly changed their physical mtg dimensions, and the degree of switch rotation so they are not compatible to this application. This type of selector drum system was used on US-made Wurlamatic record changers, models 3400 thru 3800 in the early 70's. Another common problem is the accumulation of dirt, dust, grease, etc on the drum's printed circuit contacts and switch wiper contacts. These contacts carry the letter-number keyboard impulses to the selection solenoids. The solution is to clean them. If contacts are extremely dirty, an effective method is to unbolt/remove the drum entirely for cleaning, and carefully re installing it. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find the perfect photo - click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bpaVdEJaWQywmK9JQKKcBEKp2t6MLOju3roMaccy3HtpzRae1S/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 15 13:47:41 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 15 13:50:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Ultra 437 Animation Message-ID: <20090715.164741.28438.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: The city skyline animation on an RO 437 really looks nice when it is lit and working correctly. On the audio side, that machine uses a Shure magnetic cartridge (M77, I think) Mag cartridges generally don't fail, the connections to them do. Reverse the left and right cabinet speakers connections to make sure the problem is not here. On the amp, there is an board phono preamp module, which has 2 screwdriver adjust gain controls (left and right )on it. These pots can become scratchy and intermittent, which will cause an audio cut-out. Usually rotating the controls several times is enough to clear this up. Make note of where the pots were set originally and go back to those settings. On the floorboard of your machine, there should be a speaker fader switch. Dirty contacts here can cause an intermittent failure. There is also a "loudness contour-bass boost" slide switch on the volume control module. Check for dirty contacts by operating the switch. If all the above fails to resolve your problem, there is a fault on the amp chassis. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ The easiest way to create a blog. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRxiWrcnFYTJpuiTvQsehKigxyOaTCwaPu0b6TJglVdxYiZGWsVI8/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jul 15 14:06:24 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jul 15 14:08:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1050 selection system In-Reply-To: <004201ca03ea$14285aa0$3c790fe0$@com> Message-ID: <532136.8633.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Frank, When you say "the same record--" , are you saying the EXACT same selection, or that it plays some records over and over ?? --And, if so, is it always the same SIDE of a record ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 7/13/09, frank olivieri wrote: From: frank olivieri Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1050 selection system To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 11:45 AM Hello. Here's my question. Ihave a Wurlitzer 1050. Sometimes it will play same record again and again. Then on its own begin to work just fine. Any ideas????Thanks, Frank. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 15 14:41:20 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 15 14:44:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1050 selection system Message-ID: <20090715.174120.16124.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Hello Frank: Earlier, I wrote a you lengthy reply describing how your W1050 selector drum operates. If you are getting constant repitition of songs, perhaps one of the (readout) microswitch arms is getting hung up on a selected pin, or possibly the solenoid is not cancelling the pulled pin when it gets detected by the microswitch. After several change cycles, the operation is probably happening correctly--this is why the problem clears up. When this happens, does the gripper arm put the record back in the basket,then pull it out to play again or does the record basket make a full rotation first? On the rotating selector arm you will see there are mechanical adjustments that can optimally position the solenoids and microswitches with respect to te selector pins. The adjustment process is described in detail in the service manual. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click now to get the general liability insurance you need to protect yourself! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdj14oPRoeo1SECw6VhBgb5L6liRPeskdD4B4mGXbdiAL0BEq0pry/ From pinball at telus.net Wed Jul 15 15:21:07 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Jul 15 15:22:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1050 selection system In-Reply-To: <004201ca03ea$14285aa0$3c790fe0$@com> References: <004201ca03ea$14285aa0$3c790fe0$@com> Message-ID: <4A5E5653.3070204@telus.net> frank olivieri wrote: > Hello. Here's my question. Ihave a Wurlitzer 1050. Sometimes it will play > same record again and again. Then on its own begin to work just fine. Any > ideas? Thanks, Frank. > > Hi Frank, The other suggestions are all good, but there is a simple test you can do (just need a working ear!) to tell if the problem is (as I suspect) the 'Cancel' microswitch or something else. Simply make a few selections, and - with the main door open - listen for the 'buzz' sound made when the selection pin is being cancelled. It should be a solid "BZZZ" then a "click" as the cancel solenoid releases. Waht I suspect you will hear is a changing buzzing sound, or no sound, or a rapid clickclickclick as the cancel microswitch tries to engage the control logic for the cancel solenoid. Of course the pin MUST stay down once it has a clear punch - some pins were not so well made and the step wore enough that the pin would not latch down reliably - this would only show up as the odd selection repeating. The Cancel microswitch is mounted on the underside of the frame (inside) of the main gear box assembly. It is shown in the manual. Other causes can be looked at after this is removed as a suspect. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jul 15 15:36:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jul 15 15:38:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1050 selection system In-Reply-To: <4A5E5653.3070204@telus.net> Message-ID: <574878.27684.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, I like that "not so well made" comment--did you ever see the ones used in the last run or two of the Sonata ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 7/15/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1050 selection system To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 3:21 PM frank olivieri wrote: > Hello. Here's my question. Ihave a Wurlitzer 1050. Sometimes it will play > same record again and again. Then on its own begin to work just fine. Any > ideas????Thanks, Frank. > >??? Hi Frank, The other suggestions are all good, but there is a simple test you can do (just need a working ear!) to tell if the problem is (as I suspect) the 'Cancel' microswitch or something else. Simply make a few selections, and - with the main door open - listen for the 'buzz' sound made when the selection pin is being cancelled. It should be a solid "BZZZ" then a "click" as the cancel solenoid releases. Waht I suspect you will hear is a changing buzzing sound, or no sound, or a rapid clickclickclick as the cancel microswitch tries to engage the control logic for the cancel solenoid. Of course the pin MUST stay down once it has a clear punch - some pins were not so well made and the step wore enough that the pin would not latch down reliably - this would only show up as the odd selection repeating. The Cancel microswitch is mounted on the underside of the frame (inside) of the main gear box assembly. It is shown in the manual. Other causes can be looked at after this is removed as a suspect. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From donshawnmyself at aol.com Wed Jul 15 17:58:52 2009 From: donshawnmyself at aol.com (donshawnmyself@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 15 18:07:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston Message-ID: <8CBD3C7B88A3E66-3B4-1DE5@WEBMAIL-MA02.sysops.aol.com> Can anyone recommend a reputable Chrome plater in Houston Texas that has a reasonable price? Yeah, I know, good luck finding a "reasonable" price. Thanks From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jul 15 18:28:11 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jul 15 18:29:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMi H-100 Smashed Dome Message-ID: Aw, that's too bad. When moving a juke, it throw a towel over the mechanism just in case the glass breaks. Less to clean out of it and less damage to trim parts. it's awful to lose a major original part like a glass. Try also Bill Butterfield. Super nice guy. Maybe less likely to have a glass, but honest and friendly. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 From amej at ix.netcom.com Wed Jul 15 18:22:46 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Wed Jul 15 19:12:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Broken pin on tube socket Message-ID: <4A5E80E6.3090204@ix.netcom.com> Hi Chris, I have an assortment of tube sockets. Please contact me off-list and I will send one to you. Jim is right to suggest changing out the whole socket. Clipping the leads and re-strip will allow you to connect to the new pins easily. Dick. Phelan, CA > Hi all, > > I was working on my 543 amp again, and I broke one of the pins (pin 7) on > V10. This socket is for a 6973 tube (4 of these in total). I was able to > remove the broken pin, but I wasn't able to remove an unused from another > socket to replace it! > > Is there a way to remove/replace just a single pin or do I have to replace > the entire socket ? > > Schematic: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/wurlitzer_543_amp.pdf > > Broken pin: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/socket-pin.jpg > > If I have to replace the socket, I was thinking ebay #200361420302 (8 Pin > Amphenol Octal Tube Socket NOS (4 Sockets)) > > Chris From Trollmasters at webtv.net Wed Jul 15 19:13:27 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Wed Jul 15 19:15:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547 Amp. In-Reply-To: "James Alexander" 's message of Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:33:54 GMT Message-ID: <3265-4A5E8CC7-1139@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Yes , the info helps alot. I dont plan on doing much solid-state repair at all though. This is a rarity for me, as I ve said several times, I work on almost exclusively 40s-50s stuff . Im trying to fix this amp for a friend. Last night I re-installed one of the old transistors and the problem changed. My audio on that channel increased quite a bit, but I also had a "hisss" noise that I didnt have before. I think I started out with a bad transistor and zapped a replacement using the wrong wattage soldering gun, Like Jay had suggested. Today I re-ordered the NTE 102's and will replace them again using the correct lower wattage soldering iron. I will have an answer to all this in about a week after I replace them. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From mrwilson at rogers.com Wed Jul 15 20:47:42 2009 From: mrwilson at rogers.com (mrwilson) Date: Wed Jul 15 20:55:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Ultra 437 Animation In-Reply-To: <001b01ca0587$07972430$16c56c90$@on.net> References: <001b01ca0587$07972430$16c56c90$@on.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Jeffrey, I will make sure that once the animation is up and running that the moire does not rub a "hole" through the skyline. So far so good -- there appears to be very little rubbing on the skyline at this point. The moire, however, has quite a few places where the stripes have been smeared to oblivion. Doesn't appear to affect the effect, at least as I move things by hand. How do you find the motor noise? Is it noticeable and/or objectionable? Regards, MR On Jul 15, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Jeffrey Black wrote: > MR, welcome to the group. You'll find a few 437 owners lurk about > the list. > > > > Not sure with the amp troubleshooting, but the very experienced > technician > who rebuilt my amp would disconnect the turntable input, and touch > the pins > on the t/t connector with a screwdriver to get noise. > > This eliminated the cartridge from the equation as a possible > problem. Then > reversed the wiring on the door speakers to eliminate faulty > speakers or > wiring. I guess if the left side is still missing, then > > an amp rebuild should be considered. BTW, my 437 doesn't have the > crossover > assembly on the door - the wiring comes from the amp directly to the > speaker > connectors. > > > > As to the animation motor - mine was burnt out completely, so I > bought a low > geared motor (I think about 4rpm), built a new mount and ran a belt > onto the > original roller bearing. Here in Australia, the 117v > > Is a problem, so I powered this motor on 240v (our standard) and > concealed > the power cable out through the same rear exit hole - so two power > cables!! > > > > Be very careful that the grey plastic moire does not rub on the city > animation. I've seen many examples when 40 years of rubbing has > eaten into > the city lights and spoiled it. Mine was scratched when I got it - > but > > not as bad as some. Check the moire tension regularly, and inspect > it for > slumping/rubbing. > > > > I'd love someone to make reproductions of the city animation for 437 > owners!!! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jeffrey Black > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mrwilson at rogers.com Wed Jul 15 21:11:08 2009 From: mrwilson at rogers.com (mrwilson) Date: Wed Jul 15 21:12:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Ultra 437 Animation In-Reply-To: <20090715.164741.28438.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090715.164741.28438.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, I have already swapped the left and right speaker connections to eliminate the possibility of failed speakers - I should have mentioned. I will have a run at the rest of your list to see if I can't flush out the problem. No possibility of the mute relay being the culprit? Would I cause an issue by simply removing the relay to eliminate it as the faulty component? Thanks, MR On Jul 15, 2009, at 4:47 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Gentlemen: > The city skyline animation on an RO 437 really looks nice when it is > lit and working correctly. > On the audio side, that machine uses a Shure magnetic cartridge > (M77, I think) Mag cartridges generally don't fail, the connections > to them do. > Reverse the left and right cabinet speakers connections to make sure > the problem is not here. > On the amp, there is an board phono preamp module, which has 2 > screwdriver adjust gain controls (left and right )on it. These pots > can become scratchy and intermittent, which will cause an audio cut- > out. Usually rotating the controls several times is enough to clear > this up. Make note of where the pots were set originally and go > back to those settings. > On the floorboard of your machine, there should be a speaker fader > switch. Dirty contacts here can cause an intermittent failure. > There is also a "loudness contour-bass boost" slide switch on the > volume control module. Check for dirty contacts by operating the > switch. > If all the above fails to resolve your problem, there is a fault on > the amp chassis. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > The easiest way to create a blog. Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRxiWrcnFYTJpuiTvQsehKigxyOaTCwaPu0b6TJglVdxYiZGWsVI8/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tjlane at hawaii.rr.com Wed Jul 15 23:27:17 2009 From: tjlane at hawaii.rr.com (T.J. Lane) Date: Wed Jul 15 23:41:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Does anyone from Hawaii repair Wurlitzer OMT 50 CD Jukeboxes? Message-ID: <000001ca05de$77ec1680$67c44380$@rr.com> Aloha, If anyone out there knows someone from Hawaii who repairs Wurlitzer's, please email me. Mahalo, TJ From dave.halford at telent.com Thu Jul 16 00:38:43 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Thu Jul 16 00:49:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMi H-100 Smashed Dome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: They might have dropped it !!! regards Dave H Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 16 00:43:07 2009 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (chris tanner) Date: Thu Jul 16 00:59:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1050 selection system References: <574878.27684.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0AE824A101C24317B229F9E1A212FF1D@chris545b2a181> Hi Guys, I had the same problem with my 1050. It would never work perfectly all of the time and it had the same non cancel problem. In the end I ripped out the guts and fitted a rowe-ami hidaway mech and a Rogers amplifier. The control system came out of an ami wall box. I now have an excellent sounding 200 selection jukebox which looks like a W1050. I am glad that I made the change as I have had many compliments about what I have achieved. It is probably my best sounding jukebox. I kept all of the internals in case I ever wanted to put it back to it's original inferior state. Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1050 selection system John, I like that "not so well made" comment--did you ever see the ones used in the last run or two of the Sonata ? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 7/15/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1050 selection system To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 3:21 PM frank olivieri wrote: > Hello. Here's my question. Ihave a Wurlitzer 1050. Sometimes it will play > same record again and again. Then on its own begin to work just fine. Any > ideas? Thanks, Frank. > > Hi Frank, The other suggestions are all good, but there is a simple test you can do (just need a working ear!) to tell if the problem is (as I suspect) the 'Cancel' microswitch or something else. Simply make a few selections, and - with the main door open - listen for the 'buzz' sound made when the selection pin is being cancelled. It should be a solid "BZZZ" then a "click" as the cancel solenoid releases. Waht I suspect you will hear is a changing buzzing sound, or no sound, or a rapid clickclickclick as the cancel microswitch tries to engage the control logic for the cancel solenoid. Of course the pin MUST stay down once it has a clear punch - some pins were not so well made and the step wore enough that the pin would not latch down reliably - this would only show up as the odd selection repeating. The Cancel microswitch is mounted on the underside of the frame (inside) of the main gear box assembly. It is shown in the manual. Other causes can be looked at after this is removed as a suspect. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.13.14/2238 - Release Date: 7/14/2009 6:03 PM From rellis2007 at aol.com Thu Jul 16 05:12:38 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 16 05:20:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston In-Reply-To: <8CBD3C7B88A3E66-3B4-1DE5@WEBMAIL-MA02.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBD3C7B88A3E66-3B4-1DE5@WEBMAIL-MA02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBD425D7FE623A-448-25AF@webmail-mh10.sysops.aol.com> if you get game room magazine the guy advertises there he is good and as reasonable as you will find. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: donshawnmyself@aol.com To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:58 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston Can anyone recommend a reputable Chrome plater in Houston Texas that has a reasonable price? Yeah, I know, good luck finding a "reasonable" price. Thanks _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From donshawnmyself at aol.com Thu Jul 16 05:28:28 2009 From: donshawnmyself at aol.com (donshawnmyself@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 16 05:36:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston In-Reply-To: <8CBD425D7FE623A-448-25AF@webmail-mh10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBD3C7B88A3E66-3B4-1DE5@WEBMAIL-MA02.sysops.aol.com> <8CBD425D7FE623A-448-25AF@webmail-mh10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBD4280EAC1CE1-208-245D@WEBMAIL-DZ15.sysops.aol.com> would you happen to know the name of the business? -----Original Message----- From: rellis2007@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:12 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston if you get game room magazine the guy advertises there he is good and as reasonable as you will find. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: donshawnmyself@aol.com To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:58 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston Can anyone recommend a reputable Chrome plater in Houston Texas that has a reasonable price? Yeah, I know, good luck finding a "reasonable" price. Thanks _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Thu Jul 16 05:59:46 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 16 06:03:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston In-Reply-To: <8CBD4280EAC1CE1-208-245D@WEBMAIL-DZ15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBD3C7B88A3E66-3B4-1DE5@WEBMAIL-MA02.sysops.aol.com><8CBD425D7FE623A-448-25AF@webmail-mh10.sysops.aol.com> <8CBD4280EAC1CE1-208-245D@WEBMAIL-DZ15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBD42C6D491D68-448-27D3@webmail-mh10.sysops.aol.com> The name is Speed & Sports Chrome plating,?they are located at 404 Broadway, Huston Tx, phone is 713-921-0235 hours are 6:00 to 5:00 pm cst time. doc -----Original Message----- From: donshawnmyself@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:28 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston would you happen to know the name of the business? -----Original Message----- From: rellis2007@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:12 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston if you get game room magazine the guy advertises there he is good and as reasonable as you will find. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: donshawnmyself@aol.com To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:58 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston Can anyone recommend a reputable Chrome plater in Houston Texas that has a reasonable price? Yeah, I know, good luck finding a "reasonable" price. Thanks _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jul 16 07:27:37 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jul 16 07:30:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Ultra 437 Animation Message-ID: <20090716.102737.27214.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Hello,Mr Wilson: If the mute relay in your machine is a plug in model, you can unplug it while the machine is in the play mode.If the relay is at fault ,then the non-operating audio channel should come back on. Plug the relay back in while the unit is still in the play mode. I've recommended that you check several other controls and switches for intermittents because of the way they are mounted. They tend to catch a lot of dust,dirt, etc. . Since these controls are typically service adjustments, they get neglected. Good luck at troubleshooting your sound problem. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Shutterfly Official Site Share & Print Photos Now. 25 Free Prints For New Members. Join Today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=DcnLnQzTMQ2yfxyIfoZuzQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAUAAAAAAAAAAJZDiz7vyjugDu3T2LHxy4AKiIEVAAAAAA== From donshawnmyself at aol.com Thu Jul 16 08:54:54 2009 From: donshawnmyself at aol.com (donshawnmyself@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 16 08:56:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston In-Reply-To: <8CBD42C6D491D68-448-27D3@webmail-mh10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBD3C7B88A3E66-3B4-1DE5@WEBMAIL-MA02.sysops.aol.com><8CBD425D7FE623A-448-25AF@webmail-mh10.sysops.aol.com><8CBD4280EAC1CE1-208-245D@WEBMAIL-DZ15.sysops.aol.com> <8CBD42C6D491D68-448-27D3@webmail-mh10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBD444E52FF465-150C-30A1@webmail-mh36.sysops.aol.com> Thanks -----Original Message----- From: rellis2007@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:59 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston The name is Speed & Sports Chrome plating,?they are located at 404 Broadway, Huston Tx, phone is 713-921-0235 hours are 6:00 to 5:00 pm cst time. doc -----Original Message----- From: donshawnmyself@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:28 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston would you happen to know the name of the business? -----Original Message----- From: rellis2007@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:12 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston if you get game room magazine the guy advertises there he is good and as reasonable as you will find. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: donshawnmyself@aol.com To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:58 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating in Houston Can anyone recommend a reputable Chrome plater in Houston Texas that has a reasonable price? Yeah, I know, good luck finding a "reasonable" price. Thanks _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dppe at inebraska.com Thu Jul 16 09:07:59 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Thu Jul 16 09:09:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes Message-ID: <1629f350dddd00927bccbdf200f9969a@inebraska.com> Wondering what this group thought the value in this economy of the following jukeboxes are: I looked on eBay and there are not that many sales for me to get a good idea I posted this on the pinball newsgroup and got little to no response. Thanks! for your input. Seeburg C Seeburg J100 Seeburg V200 Seeburg KD 200 From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jul 16 09:27:56 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Thu Jul 16 09:36:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes Message-ID: <607071.42559.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Dana, sorry, but for anyone to give you a valuation, you are going to have to supply more than just the model numbers. It would be like me phoning you up and asking you to tell me the value of my car over the phone. How long is a piece of string...? With jukeboxes there are way to many variables. For anyone to give you even a rough valuation, you would at least need to supply condition, working or not, originality, is the coin gear present, quality of chrome and so on...Valuations may even vary due to your location. Please can you supply more details, then I am sure members on the list would be happy to offer advise. Gary --- On Thu, 16/7/09, Dana wrote: > From: Dana > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, 16 July, 2009, 5:07 PM > Wondering what this group thought the > value in this economy of the following jukeboxes are: > I looked on eBay and there are not that many sales for me > to get a good idea???I posted this on the > pinball newsgroup and got little to no response.? > Thanks! for your input. > > Seeburg C > > Seeburg J100 > > Seeburg V200 > > Seeburg KD 200 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pat2355 at aol.com Thu Jul 16 10:06:26 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 16 10:15:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <607071.42559.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <607071.42559.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBD44EE34B50DC-7F4-3A99@webmail-mh17.sysops.aol.com> Gary, You're a LOT nicer than me !!! If the folks asking for prices want to know what their jukeboxes are worth....SELL THEM !!! ? Life has no guarantees !!! Condition,location, desirability,options, economy, effort of the seller, venue sold thru all and many other factors determine the final value. I will say that the values currently aren't as high as they've been in the past. I also don't pretend to know what the future holds. I'm keeping my best jukes, because besides being an investment they are also a source of entertainment for us. Even turned off they represent a look I really like. I usually try to discourage off the cuff appraisals because they aren't worth any more than you pay for them. Postman Pat -----Original Message----- From: Gary Young To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:27 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes Hi Dana, sorry, but for anyone to give you a valuation, you are going to have to supply more than just the model numbers. It would be like me phoning you up and asking you to tell me the value of my car over the phone. How long is a piece of string...? With jukeboxes there are way to many variables. For anyone to give you even a rough valuation, you would at least need to supply condition, working or not, originality, is the coin gear present, quality of chrome and so on...Valuations may even vary due to your location. Please can you supply more details, then I am sure members on the list would be happy to offer advise. Gary --- On Thu, 16/7/09, Dana wrote: > From: Dana > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, 16 July, 2009, 5:07 PM > Wondering what this group thought the > value in this economy of the following jukeboxes are: > I looked on eBay and there are not that many sales for me > to get a good idea???I posted this on the > pinball newsgroup and got little to no response.? > Thanks! for your input. > > Seeburg C > > Seeburg J100 > > Seeburg V200 > > Seeburg KD 200 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dppe at inebraska.com Thu Jul 16 10:54:43 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Thu Jul 16 10:56:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes repost In-Reply-To: <8CBD44EE34B50DC-7F4-3A99@webmail-mh17.sysops.aol.com> References: <607071.42559.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <8CBD44EE34B50DC-7F4-3A99@webmail-mh17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sorry, but I posted this in a hurry. Let me be more specific in my explanation which still may not be as detailed as some would like. Just curious to know in a soft market which I know next to nothing about what the going prices are for a Grade 3? (on a 1-5 scale) average condition jukebox with all parts there (missing selections some times, but working) for the following jukeboxes (I checked eBay, but there really aren't many sales to look at): Seeburg 100 C Seeburg 100 J Seeburg KD 200 Seeburg V 200 Thanks! for your time. Dana On Jul 16, 2009, at 12:06 PM, pat2355@aol.com wrote: > > Gary, You're a LOT nicer than me !!! If the folks asking for prices > want to know what their jukeboxes are worth....SELL THEM !!! ? Life > has no guarantees !!! Condition,location, desirability,options, > economy, effort of the seller, venue sold thru all and many other > factors determine the final value. I will say that the values > currently aren't as high as they've been in the past. I also don't > pretend to know what the future holds. I'm keeping my best jukes, > because besides being an investment they are also a source of > entertainment for us. Even turned off they represent a look I really > like. I usually try to discourage off the cuff appraisals because they > aren't worth any more than you pay for them. Postman Pat > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Young > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:27 am > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dana, sorry, but for anyone to give you a valuation, you are going > to have to > supply more than just the model numbers. It would be like me phoning > you up and > asking you to tell me the value of my car over the phone. How long is > a piece of > string...? With jukeboxes there are way to many variables. For anyone > to give > you even a rough valuation, you would at least need to supply > condition, working > or not, originality, is the coin gear present, quality of chrome and so > on...Valuations may even vary due to your location. > > Please can you supply more details, then I am sure members on the list > would be > happy to offer advise. > > Gary > > --- On Thu, 16/7/09, Dana wrote: > >> From: Dana >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Thursday, 16 July, 2009, 5:07 PM >> Wondering what this group thought the >> value in this economy of the following jukeboxes are: >> I looked on eBay and there are not that many sales for me >> to get a good idea???I posted this on the >> pinball newsgroup and got little to no response.? >> Thanks! for your input. >> >> Seeburg C >> >> Seeburg J100 >> >> Seeburg V200 >> >> Seeburg KD 200 >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jul 16 11:04:31 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jul 16 11:08:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes Message-ID: <20090716.140431.18975.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Hello Dana: The Always Jukin' Official Guide to Collectible Jukeboxes has been generally considered to be the "Blue Book" price guide of the jukebox hobby. In this guide, there are prices for each make/model ranged in five grades. Grade 1 is a "perfect in every way" original condition or restored machine. Grade 5 is a rough condition unit,usable as a parts donor machine,probably too far gone/abused to restore. Grade 2 represents a good looking (but not perfect) but fully working machine. I believe that most restored jukes that are in casual home use tend to fall into this category. Because of the sluggish economy, people are less willing to spend their discretionary funds on "fun" items, so the values of these collectible jukes are running below the price guide, sometimes as much as 50%. Less desirable jukes (vinyl models of the late 60's-70's-80's) are not selling much at all, except at giveaway prices. The sales that you do find on E Bay and CL are probably the most accurate reflection of the current marketplace. I'm quoting you some Grade 1, Grade 2 and Grade 5 prices from the guide. When this email posts to the list,it usually mashes up the punctuation & spacing. Hope this will be readable. Hope this helps answer your questions accurately. Seeburg M100c $5950, $4750 $260 Seeburg 100J $ 5500 $4100 $390 Seeburg V200 $9000 $6800 $625 Seeburg KD200 $8550 $6050 $400 Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ In Financial Trouble? We Can Help, Our Trained Personal Will Assist You In Getting A Loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ErOYPki1otYp07qIPvgaRQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAUAAAAAAAAAALU3-D7xwDQEtuVk44HGMdhsTEAIAAAAAA== From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 16 12:25:33 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Thu Jul 16 12:27:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes... Message-ID: I think Jim is right on the money with his view of current values and the economy. Two things to add. First, people write price guides to sell them, so naturally prices often get overinflated. i.e. "Tell the buyer of the guide what they want to hear." The VG prices have always been on the high side. Second Dana, your "handle" looks familiar, think i saw it on ebay selling a few machines, but i may be mistaken. If you want to know what they're worth put them up on ebay, start them low, and let the market decide. If you are pricing them out to sell privately, keep this in mind: As a restorer who frequently buys machines from homes, it's irritating to have a seller demand "ebay" or "price guide" pricing. I have never "low-balled" a seller, but people don't stop to consider the value in having someone come to your house, remove the item and pay on the spot. No paypal or ebay fees. No shipping hassle. Realistically Dana, you should expect to get about half of the grade two pricing in the condition that you described. Don't let the hucksters fool you. The average age of the person with interest in this hobby keeps going up (with very few exceptions). The demand has fallen for good. For the real enthusiasts this great news; as the hobby has been "overpriced" for years since the "investment" nature of jukes was hyped in the 80s-90s. Justin Message: 31 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:04:31 GMT From: "James Alexander" Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Message-ID: <20090716.140431.18975.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hello Dana: The Always Jukin' Official Guide to Collectible Jukeboxes has been generally considered to be the "Blue Book" price guide of the jukebox hobby. In this guide, there are prices for each make/model ranged in five grades. Grade 1 is a "perfect in every way" original condition or restored machine. Grade 5 is a rough condition unit,usable as a parts donor machine,probably too far gone/abused to restore. Grade 2 represents a good looking (but not perfect) but fully working machine. I believe that most restored jukes that are in casual home use tend to fall into this category. Because of the sluggish economy, people are less willing to spend their discretionary funds on "fun" items, so the values of these collectible jukes are running below the price guide, sometimes as much as 50%. Less desirable jukes (vinyl models of the late 60's-70's-80's) are not selling much at all, except at giveaway prices. The sales that you do find on E Bay and CL are probably the most accurate reflection of the current marketplace. I'm quoting you some Grade 1, Grade 2 and Grade 5 prices from the guide. When this email posts to the list,it usually mashes up the punctuation & spacing. Hope this will be readable. Hope this helps answer your questions accurately. Seeburg M100c $5950, $4750 $260 Seeburg 100J $ 5500 $4100 $390 Seeburg V200 $9000 $6800 $625 Seeburg KD200 $8550 $6050 $400 Jim Alexander _________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Jul 16 14:06:10 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Jul 16 14:07:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes Message-ID: Oh, the dot com days when a common '70s juke could sell for over a grand.... Since it sounds like you're going to sell them anyway, I'd clean them up and give them a lube job. Turn the bass and treble up so they sound their best, and list at what YOU feel is the price you'd like to get for them, locally on Craigslist. Bump that price up a few hundred dollars for some bargaining room and see what offers come in. Be sure to post clear, large photos. You can post your own larger photos on Craigslist if you host them on line somewhere yourself, such as Photobucket. The general public wants a working machine. I'll tell you that right now. Collectors are a different story. They'll tend to know what a machine needs and a general cost if they want to restore it or at least shop it out (clean it up and make it work well without going all out) nicely, so they'll take that into consideration. You have some nice models listed, but their condition at 3 is not a great place to be right now. They generally work. Not quite what most people want and collectors right now probably not paying what they're really worth because of the economy. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 From berrycbell at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 15:13:24 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Thu Jul 16 15:15:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm going to have to disagree with Justin S. on a couple of things. Your reference to values, etc. seemed to have a lot of doom and gloom in it, in your response to Dana. I am finding new & younger collectors in this hobby quite frequently. Yes, there are the "old" guard out there who have been driving this hobby a long time, but I surprisingly have run into some new collectors (Age 20-30) who are beginning to take up the hobby, even though vinyl often was before their time. I'm also not so sure the demand has fallen for good....demand may have fallen for LPC's, and some of the newer boxes, but demand for all the 50's Wurlitzers, AMI's, Rock's and Seeburgs (V's) are still very strong, depending on condition. The sheer volume of R's, C's, 222's, etc. may show a decline, but the notable machines (we all know what they are) in my opinion are extremely strong, especially if you find an untouched original. I've gone back and looked at my early prices guides from The Jukebox Bluebook and Always Jukin early price guide (1993) and a Grade 1 1800 was $3300 in Jukebox Bluebook (Seems very fair to me for 1993.) The 1998 Always Jukin Price Guide showed $5500 for a Grade 1 1800. The above are only examples, but certainly believe them to be in line. The supply may be gone for good, but I believe demand is still quite high for nice, unrestored, original machines. Respectfully, Berry Bell "No Huckster here" On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Justin S. wrote: > > I think Jim is right on the money with his view of current values and the > economy. Two things to add. First, people write price guides to sell them, > so naturally prices often get overinflated. i.e. "Tell the buyer of the > guide what they want to hear." The VG prices have always been on the high > side. Second Dana, your "handle" looks familiar, think i saw it on ebay > selling a few machines, but i may be mistaken. If you want to know what > they're worth put them up on ebay, start them low, and let the market > decide. If you are pricing them out to sell privately, keep this in mind: As > a restorer who frequently buys machines from homes, it's irritating to have > a seller demand "ebay" or "price guide" pricing. I have never "low-balled" a > seller, but people don't stop to consider the value in having someone come > to your house, remove the item and pay on the spot. No paypal or ebay fees. > No shipping hassle. Realistically Dana, you should expect to get about half > of the grade two pricing in the condition that you described. Don't let the > hucksters fool you. The average age of the person with interest in this > hobby keeps going up (with very few exceptions). The demand has fallen for > good. For the real enthusiasts this great news; as the hobby has been > "overpriced" for years since the "investment" nature of jukes was hyped in > the 80s-90s. Justin > > Message: 31 > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:04:31 GMT > From: "James Alexander" > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Message-ID: <20090716.140431.18975.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > Hello Dana: > The Always Jukin' Official Guide to Collectible Jukeboxes has been > generally considered to be the "Blue Book" price guide of the jukebox hobby. > In this guide, there are prices for each make/model ranged in five grades. > Grade 1 is a "perfect in every way" original condition or restored machine. > Grade 5 is a rough condition unit,usable as a parts donor machine,probably > too far gone/abused to restore. Grade 2 represents a good looking (but not > perfect) but fully working machine. I believe that most restored jukes that > are in casual home use tend to fall into this category. > Because of the sluggish economy, people are less willing to spend their > discretionary funds on "fun" items, so the values of these collectible jukes > are running below the price guide, sometimes as much as 50%. Less desirable > jukes (vinyl models of the late 60's-70's-80's) are not selling much at all, > except at giveaway prices. > The sales that you do find on E Bay and CL are probably the most accurate > reflection of the current marketplace. > I'm quoting you some Grade 1, Grade 2 and Grade 5 prices from the guide. > When this email posts to the list,it usually mashes up the punctuation & > spacing. Hope this will be readable. Hope this helps answer your questions > accurately. > Seeburg M100c $5950, $4750 $260 > Seeburg 100J $ 5500 $4100 $390 > Seeburg V200 $9000 $6800 $625 > Seeburg KD200 $8550 $6050 $400 > Jim Alexander > _________________________________ > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-listmailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Thu Jul 16 22:38:32 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Jul 16 22:40:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Price Check (in general) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A600E58.8070400@west.net> Berry Bell wrote: > I'm also not so sure the demand has fallen for good....demand may have > fallen for LPC's, and some of the newer boxes, but demand for all the 50's > Wurlitzers, AMI's, Rock's and Seeburgs (V's) are still very strong, > depending on condition. The sheer volume of R's, C's, 222's, etc. may show > a decline, but the notable machines (we all know what they are) in my > opinion are extremely strong, especially if you find an untouched original. > I've gone back and looked at my early prices guides from The Jukebox > Bluebook and Always Jukin early price guide (1993) and a Grade 1 1800 was > $3300 in Jukebox Bluebook (Seems very fair to me for 1993.) The 1998 Always > Jukin Price Guide showed $5500 for a Grade 1 1800. > > The above are only examples, but certainly believe them to be in line. The > supply may be gone for good, but I believe demand is still quite high for > nice, unrestored, original machines. OK, that raises the question of the motives of the buyers of nice, unrestored, original machines. Do they keep them in storage as nice unrestored (and as such I would assume non-functional) machines solely for speculation? Do they plan on restoring them and selling them at a profit? do they plan on restoring them for their own personal collection? I'm one such buyer, and I would say in my case it's the third option. I buy jukeboxes because I enjoy the hobby of doing the restoration. Option one doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Jukeboxes aren't particularly small or easy to transport, and not particularly liquid in terms of a speculative commodity. Precious metals, stamps, or coins would make more sense from a speculation standpoint. Option two in my experience isn't particularly profitable if you value your time. Reproduction and used parts aren't cheap, nor is chrome plating. Restoring jukeboxes is labor-intensive and requires a varied skill set. Even if the unrestored original is a "steal", bringing the box to close to grade one will likely cost close to its resale value. If you value your time at minimum wage you'll most likely be upside-down by the time you're done. I suppose a fourth option would be to leave them unrestored and just bring them to good working order for resale. But who would be the buyers of those machines? This might work for the less desirable boxes like LPCs, etc. where the target market is someone with a low-end game room that just wants "a jukebox". But a serious collector or high-end game room person is going to want the cabinet and cosmetics to be in top shape. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jul 17 07:48:34 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jul 17 07:52:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Price Check (in general) Message-ID: <20090717.104834.1020.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: The time was (back in the late 80's-90's) where the purchase of a classic jukebox, either as a restoration project, or to buy someone else's restored work was thought of as an investment you could enjoy. Today's juke owner is someone who wants to own a machine. They seek out and are usually willing to pay reasonable prices for nice original or restored machines. They may or may not want to tackle all or part of the restoration job themselves. I started out collecting/rebuilding a few machines (in the 80's) and began a part-time business, in order to support the cost of the hobby. It's grown but it's still a part-time business. A restoration project is more a "labor of love" than it is a job. As several have said in this thread, it's difficult, if not impossible to restore classic jukeboxes profitably. All the specialty work needed and cost structure won't allow it. I contacted vendng companies/operators as a source for no-longer-wanted machines. I discovered at the time, there were what I call casual buyers----these are people who wanted to buy a jukebox to equip their family rec. room with an automatic music source. They generally weren't looking for a specific make/model machine, they were looking for something in decent condition that wouldn't be a service headache. These customers would be candidates to purchase 60's-70's jukes that had been carefully shopped out for a cost of $1,000 or less. They weren't necessarily into the jukebox hobby and did not want to take on a "project". If they could find any older model with a visible record changer in this price range,all the better. I found that most of the casual customer market disappeared circa 2000 with the advent of digitally-delivered music,MP3 players, big-capacity CD changer stereo components, etc. The new sources were more convenient to use and can deliver song choices on command. Like others have mentioned, there still are enthusiasts for the classic juke models, but most of the hobbyists I encounter are older people, usually old enough to remember the machines initially. The focus now is on the on the silver-age 50's machines, instead of the golden-age 78 players Those that like the style of the 1015 are more inclined to buy a new OMT model, or one of the other modern replica jukes. In some recent cases, a few people I know have fallen on hard times and have to sell their "toys". Usually when one has to liquidate a classic juke for quick sale,the asking prices get reduced,way below the book values. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get your dream car or truck. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYYjRWGdBGbVUX70yOcbDhCBYEBGBfDOepvcBVuztisZdEXcFc3GQg/ From jag at ellijay.com Fri Jul 17 14:40:38 2009 From: jag at ellijay.com (Jackie Grizzle) Date: Fri Jul 17 14:42:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Message-ID: <5C86398288B74232A882DA20235F9711@LIBRARY> This is my first post, I normally restore/repair antique radios, but recently got a Wurlitzer 3210 jukebox that has a hum problem. This seems to be from a mechanical soure, as it only occurs when the stylus is on the record. It's there when the motor and drive wheel is running, but with the drive belts are off. It decreases by about 60 percent when you lift the drive wheel off the motor capstan, the remaining hum goes away when the motor is unplugged. I have changed the motor mounts, oiled the motor, and tried a new drive wheel, but no difference. The motor is quite and seems to run smooth. There's no hum at all when the stylus is lifted off the record. The cartridge looks and sounds ok and it's wiring is correct, but could the cartridge or motor still be the problem? Any ideas? From pinball at telus.net Fri Jul 17 14:56:59 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Jul 17 14:58:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum In-Reply-To: <5C86398288B74232A882DA20235F9711@LIBRARY> References: <5C86398288B74232A882DA20235F9711@LIBRARY> Message-ID: <4A60F3AB.5050809@telus.net> Jackie Grizzle wrote: > This is my first post, I normally restore/repair antique radios, but recently got a Wurlitzer 3210 jukebox that has a hum problem. This seems to be from a mechanical soure, as it only occurs when the stylus is on the record. It's there when the motor and drive wheel is running, but with the drive belts are off. It decreases by about 60 percent when you lift the drive wheel off the motor capstan, the remaining hum goes away when the motor is unplugged. I have changed the motor mounts, oiled the motor, and tried a new drive wheel, but no difference. The motor is quite and seems to run smooth. There's no hum at all when the stylus is lifted off the record. The cartridge looks and sounds ok and it's wiring is correct, but could the cartridge or motor still be the problem? Any ideas? > > _ If the cartridge is wired out of phase (R/L) that can lead to picking up noise. Try reversing one pair of the wires at the cartridge ... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jul 17 15:34:50 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jul 17 15:38:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Message-ID: <20090717.183450.17800.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Jackie: On the jukebox amplifier, there is a stereo/mono switch. In the mono mode, if the cartridge is wired out of phase you should hear a big drop in the level of the recorded music. If the music sounds normal, but if you hear a reduction in turntable rumble (this is the hum you are referring to) cartridge wiring is OK,but there is still a problem of some type with the turntable motor, motor mounts or idler/belt drive. With some Wurlitzers of this era, I found you can reduce the rumble level slightly by removing one of the 2 drive belts between idler and turntable flywheel. Last but not least, does the rumble go away if you reduce the volume or bass control setting a little? If yes, you may be having an acoustic feedback problem from the juke cabinet speakers and the turntable components. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ The strong, silent type. Click here for great looking bamboo flooring! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYW1MhONaustF6GKVXWatzSLYMFdvbkBRQoccTZt33LL952v0EdMh6/ From Carl.Lynne.Sullivan at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 16:00:11 2009 From: Carl.Lynne.Sullivan at gmail.com (Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com) Date: Fri Jul 17 16:07:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer 2304 Message-ID: <000e0cd6add21cde38046eeec0d8@google.com> How does the fader control work with external speakers? I hooked up two standard external speakers and then adjusted the fader control to the AD positions. However, the speakers didn't work in any of the positions. Thoughts from the group?? thanks, From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 16:24:02 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jul 17 16:25:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer 2304 In-Reply-To: <000e0cd6add21cde38046eeec0d8@google.com> Message-ID: <737243.63749.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Which model amp is being used--where did you connect the ex. speakers, and what kind of speakers are they ?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com wrote: From: Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer 2304 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:00 PM How does the fader control work with external speakers? I hooked up two standard external speakers and then adjusted the fader control to the AD positions. However, the speakers didn't work in any of the positions. Thoughts from the group?? thanks, _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From donshawnmyself at aol.com Fri Jul 17 16:17:55 2009 From: donshawnmyself at aol.com (donshawnmyself@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 17 16:26:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer wall box key question Message-ID: <8CBD54BF340A83E-DA8-16A6@FWM-D45.sysops.aol.com> I have a Wurlitzer wall box that i recently purchased. i am not sure of the model, but it looks like a 5200 or 5202. It is 100 plays with a single coin slot in the middle top of the unit. According to the owner, this unit has been sitting in storage for over 35 years and the chrome looks so good that i don't doubt him. The only problem is that the previous never sent the original key as promised. Does any one know if Wurlitzer had a universal key to open these boxes? If any one is interested in seeing this box to help me identify, please email and i will send a pic. Thank you From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 16:26:55 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jul 17 16:28:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum In-Reply-To: <5C86398288B74232A882DA20235F9711@LIBRARY> Message-ID: <326247.64314.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, Is the mechanism shelf supported/suspended on the four springs--or are they missing, or is the shelf still "bolted down" ?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Jackie Grizzle wrote: From: Jackie Grizzle Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:40 PM This is my first post, I normally restore/repair antique radios, but recently got a Wurlitzer 3210 jukebox that has a hum problem.? This seems to be from a mechanical soure, as it only occurs when the stylus is on the record.? It's there when the motor and drive wheel is running, but with the drive belts are off.? It decreases by about 60 percent when you lift the drive wheel off the motor capstan, the remaining hum goes away when the motor is unplugged.? I have changed the motor mounts, oiled the motor, and tried a new drive wheel, but no difference.? The motor is quite and seems to run smooth.? There's no hum at all when the stylus is lifted off the record.? The cartridge looks and sounds ok and it's wiring is correct, but could the cartridge or motor still be the problem?? Any ideas? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 16:28:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jul 17 16:30:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer wall box key question In-Reply-To: <8CBD54BF340A83E-DA8-16A6@FWM-D45.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <814593.24186.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sorry, No wallbox has a "universal" key--if it's a round "ACE" type, find a good locksmith to "pick-it"--- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/17/09, donshawnmyself@aol.com wrote: From: donshawnmyself@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer wall box key question To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:17 PM I have a Wurlitzer wall box that i recently purchased. i am not sure of the model, but it looks like a 5200 or 5202. It is 100 plays with a single coin slot in the middle top of the unit. According to the owner, this unit has been sitting in storage for over 35 years and the chrome looks so good that i don't doubt him. The only problem is that the previous never sent the original key as promised. Does any one know if Wurlitzer had a universal key to open these boxes? If any one is interested in seeing this box to help me identify, please email and i will send a pic. Thank you _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From donshawnmyself at aol.com Fri Jul 17 16:38:09 2009 From: donshawnmyself at aol.com (donshawnmyself@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 17 16:46:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer wall box key question In-Reply-To: <814593.24186.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBD54EC6ABDBA2-DA8-1743@FWM-D45.sysops.aol.com> It is round. I can't find much info on this model. The only one i see like this one was only a 200 selection 5250 model. Do you know if a 100 selection is rarer than the 200 selection? -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:28 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer wall box key question Sorry, No wallbox has a "universal" key--if it's a round "ACE" type, find a good locksmith to "pick-it"--- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/17/09, donshawnmyself@aol.com wrote: From: donshawnmyself@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer wall box key question To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:17 PM I have a Wurlitzer wall box that i recently purchased. i am not sure of the model, but it looks like a 5200 or 5202. It is 100 plays with a single coin slot in the middle top of the unit. According to the owner, this unit has been sitting in storage for over 35 years and the chrome looks so good that i don't doubt him. The only problem is that the previous never sent the original key as promised. Does any one know if Wurlitzer had a universal key to open these boxes? If any one is interested in seeing this box to help me identify, please email and i will send a pic. Thank you _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Fri Jul 17 17:40:38 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Fri Jul 17 17:42:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Price Check Seeburg Jukeboxes... Message-ID: I agree with Barry whole-heartedly. My nephew at 21 is already looking for his 2nd jukebox. The younger set doesn't always have the money to get in, but I have a friend who's 28 on his second jukebox in less than six months! He stole a nice, working G-80 for $500 (original finish still nice), and just delved into one of the Rock-Ola console stereo lookin' models, 446, I think. My take on the availability of the better machines: The internet has brought them out of hiding. All grades. Those that are decent are being sold and the junk being parted out for their... well, parts. Most of these machines had 2,000-8,000 unit runs, so it's not like there's an endless supply. Many were junked back in the day. On top of that, the ones brought back to life are being retained, or trading hands less often, now that they're back in service. The finely refurbished jukes will hold their value, and the AYs and JALs, etc. are on their tails as the 1950's jukes become unattainable due to scarcity/high price. The 1963+ console models go up and down with the economy. No-brainer there. They'll come into their own soon enough. As for people hoarding jukes, unless you have a place to store them, not really worth it. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco ________________________________________________ Berry says: I'm going to have to disagree with Justin S. on a couple of things. Your reference to values, etc. seemed to have a lot of doom and gloom in it, in your response to Dana. I am finding new & younger collectors in this hobby quite frequently. Yes, there are the "old" guard out there who have been driving this hobby a long time, but I surprisingly have run into some new collectors (Age 20-30) who are beginning to take up the hobby, even though vinyl often was before their time. I'm also not so sure the demand has fallen for good....demand may have fallen for LPC's, and some of the newer boxes, but demand for all the 50's Wurlitzers, AMI's, Rock's and Seeburgs (V's) are still very strong, depending on condition. The sheer volume of R's, C's, 222's, etc. may show a decline, but the notable machines (we all know what they are) in my opinion are extremely strong, especially if you find an untouched original. I've gone back and looked at my early prices guides from The Jukebox Bluebook and Always Jukin early price guide (1993) and a Grade 1 1800 was $3300 in Jukebox Bluebook (Seems very fair to me for 1993.) The 1998 Always Jukin Price Guide showed $5500 for a Grade 1 1800. The above are only examples, but certainly believe them to be in line. The supply may be gone for good, but I believe demand is still quite high for nice, unrestored, original machines. _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 17 18:07:04 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Fri Jul 17 18:08:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:Price Check in General Message-ID: Jay, those are my thoughts exactly, esp when you mentioned the motives question. You are right; there is little market for options 1,2, and 4... I mostly service nowadays; buying only to part-out or resell; restos are a dead-end anymore. Berry, I'm not trying to be doom and gloom, but realistic. If you feel those prices are in line, please contact me. I have plenty of machines to sell you. I've seen pics of your collection from your ebay page; i believe you even bought parts from me once. You have beautiful stuff; but will you ever get out of it what you have "invested"? Doubtful... I think we need to be honest about these machines. Lots of guys are buying this stuff and justifying it in the budget by saying it's an investment... about as sound an investment as GM. If you buy it to enjoy it and don't care about the money, then you can't lose, otherwise you are wasting your time and money. Admittedly, I too happily moved many a machine to a new owner in the high dollar days. I was grateful for the business; but that market is dwindling, i've yet to see anything to the contrary. I still feel you are fortunate if you find anyone not "gray in the temples" buying these items. My observations pertain to the east coast of the USA, perhaps it's a regional trend. I absolutely love these machines and their impact on american culture; not trying to downgrade their importance. Just saying that as a collectible, the best years for the juke have passed. Justin Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:38:32 -0700 From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Price Check (in general) To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <4A600E58.8070400@west.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Berry Bell wrote: > I'm also not so sure the demand has fallen for good....demand may have > fallen for LPC's, and some of the newer boxes, but demand for all the 50's > Wurlitzers, AMI's, Rock's and Seeburgs (V's) are still very strong, > depending on condition. The sheer volume of R's, C's, 222's, etc. may show > a decline, but the notable machines (we all know what they are) in my > opinion are extremely strong, especially if you find an untouched original. > I've gone back and looked at my early prices guides from The Jukebox > Bluebook and Always Jukin early price guide (1993) and a Grade 1 1800 was > $3300 in Jukebox Bluebook (Seems very fair to me for 1993.) The 1998 Always > Jukin Price Guide showed $5500 for a Grade 1 1800. > > The above are only examples, but certainly believe them to be in line. The > supply may be gone for good, but I believe demand is still quite high for > nice, unrestored, original machines. OK, that raises the question of the motives of the buyers of nice, unrestored, original machines. Do they keep them in storage as nice unrestored (and as such I would assume non-functional) machines solely for speculation? Do they plan on restoring them and selling them at a profit? do they plan on restoring them for their own personal collection? I'm one such buyer, and I would say in my case it's the third option. I buy jukeboxes because I enjoy the hobby of doing the restoration. Option one doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Jukeboxes aren't particularly small or easy to transport, and not particularly liquid in terms of a speculative commodity. Precious metals, stamps, or coins would make more sense from a speculation standpoint. Option two in my experience isn't particularly profitable if you value your time. Reproduction and used parts aren't cheap, nor is chrome plating. Restoring jukeboxes is labor-intensive and requires a varied skill set. Even if the unrestored original is a "steal", bringing the box to close to grade one will likely cost close to its resale value. If you value your time at minimum wage you'll most likely be upside-down by the time you're done. I suppose a fourth option would be to leave them unrestored and just bring them to good working order for resale. But who would be the buyers of those machines? This might work for the less desirable boxes like LPCs, etc. where the target market is someone with a low-end game room that just wants "a jukebox". But a serious collector or high-end game room person is going to want the cabinet and cosmetics to be in top shape. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 From cemetery_man_69 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 18:00:02 2009 From: cemetery_man_69 at yahoo.com (James Armstrong) Date: Fri Jul 17 18:09:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Max 2 481 Arm Problem Message-ID: <869405.86948.qm@web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I've got a Rockola 481 Max 2 that has been working great. But now the arm is acting weird. All aspects of the box function properly except the arm. It picks up the record (and flips for side 2) and places the record on the turntable properly. But it can't pick it up. It seems to raise up before the plunger pushes the record in the arm grooves. I know there's not a lot to go on, but any suggestions?? Thanks James From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 18:48:26 2009 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Fri Jul 17 18:55:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer 2304 In-Reply-To: <737243.63749.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <000e0cd6add21cde38046eeec0d8@google.com> <737243.63749.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The amp is a 536. I connected standard stereo speakers up to the three screws just below the fader control. It appears the middle screw is a common ground. so I connected the speaker to one outside screw and the middle screw. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Which model amp is being used--where did you connect the ex. speakers, and > what kind of speakers are they ? Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com < > Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer 2304 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:00 PM > > How does the fader control work with external speakers? I hooked up two > standard external speakers and then adjusted the fader control to the AD > positions. However, the speakers didn't work in any of the positions. > > Thoughts from the group?? > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jag at ellijay.com Fri Jul 17 19:45:12 2009 From: jag at ellijay.com (Jackie Grizzle) Date: Fri Jul 17 19:46:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum References: <326247.64314.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5A51BDE26E044613957A9FC6D6479C99@LIBRARY> Thanks guys for your suggestions. Jim, the switching of the stereo-mono switch does as you were saying, the music sounds normal but the rumble goes away. Decreasing the bass and or level doesn't change anything. I haven't yet tried reducing the rumble by removing one of the belts. Ron, the shelf is suspended freely on all the springs. The motor doesn't appear to have any vibration or noise, but as I mentioned before, there is still some rumble even with the drive wheel lifted off the capstan. Could the motor still be causing this, even though it is defintely worse when the drive wheel is allowed to contact the capstan. All this with the drive belts off. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Jackie, Is the mechanism shelf supported/suspended on the four springs--or are they missing, or is the shelf still "bolted down" ? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Jackie Grizzle wrote: From: Jackie Grizzle Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:40 PM This is my first post, I normally restore/repair antique radios, but recently got a Wurlitzer 3210 jukebox that has a hum problem. This seems to be from a mechanical soure, as it only occurs when the stylus is on the record. It's there when the motor and drive wheel is running, but with the drive belts are off. It decreases by about 60 percent when you lift the drive wheel off the motor capstan, the remaining hum goes away when the motor is unplugged. I have changed the motor mounts, oiled the motor, and tried a new drive wheel, but no difference. The motor is quite and seems to run smooth. There's no hum at all when the stylus is lifted off the record. The cartridge looks and sounds ok and it's wiring is correct, but could the cartridge or motor still be the problem? Any ideas? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.18/2243 - Release Date: 07/17/09 06:08:00 From y2kvette at verizon.net Fri Jul 17 18:49:00 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Fri Jul 17 19:52:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:Price Check in General References: Message-ID: <005401ca0749$ec8f9400$0501a8c0@CaysLaptop> I agree. In fact if you are a muscle-car fanatic like me, you also know that in 10-15 years the $500,000 classic Mustangs will become worth a lot less when us gray hairs are not around with our large disposable bank rolls. Of course, that may happen sooner with the current Congress intent to take the country down financially. :-)) Sorry to get off topic... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin S." To: Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:Price Check in General Jay, those are my thoughts exactly, esp when you mentioned the motives question. You are right; there is little market for options 1,2, and 4... I mostly service nowadays; buying only to part-out or resell; restos are a dead-end anymore. Berry, I'm not trying to be doom and gloom, but realistic. If you feel those prices are in line, please contact me. I have plenty of machines to sell you. I've seen pics of your collection from your ebay page; i believe you even bought parts from me once. You have beautiful stuff; but will you ever get out of it what you have "invested"? Doubtful... I think we need to be honest about these machines. Lots of guys are buying this stuff and justifying it in the budget by saying it's an investment... about as sound an investment as GM. If you buy it to enjoy it and don't care about the money, then you can't lose, otherwise you are wasting your time and money. Admittedly, I too happily moved many a machine to a new owner in the high dollar days. I was grateful for the business; but that market is dwindling, i've yet to see anything to the contrary. I still feel you are fortunate if you find anyone not "gray in the temples" buying these items. My observations pertain to the east coast of the USA, perhaps it's a regional trend. I absolutely love these machines and their impact on american culture; not trying to downgrade their importance. Just saying that as a collectible, the best years for the juke have passed. Justin Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:38:32 -0700 From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Price Check (in general) To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <4A600E58.8070400@west.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Berry Bell wrote: > I'm also not so sure the demand has fallen for good....demand may have > fallen for LPC's, and some of the newer boxes, but demand for all the 50's > Wurlitzers, AMI's, Rock's and Seeburgs (V's) are still very strong, > depending on condition. The sheer volume of R's, C's, 222's, etc. may > show > a decline, but the notable machines (we all know what they are) in my > opinion are extremely strong, especially if you find an untouched > original. > I've gone back and looked at my early prices guides from The Jukebox > Bluebook and Always Jukin early price guide (1993) and a Grade 1 1800 was > $3300 in Jukebox Bluebook (Seems very fair to me for 1993.) The 1998 > Always > Jukin Price Guide showed $5500 for a Grade 1 1800. > > The above are only examples, but certainly believe them to be in line. > The > supply may be gone for good, but I believe demand is still quite high for > nice, unrestored, original machines. OK, that raises the question of the motives of the buyers of nice, unrestored, original machines. Do they keep them in storage as nice unrestored (and as such I would assume non-functional) machines solely for speculation? Do they plan on restoring them and selling them at a profit? do they plan on restoring them for their own personal collection? I'm one such buyer, and I would say in my case it's the third option. I buy jukeboxes because I enjoy the hobby of doing the restoration. Option one doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Jukeboxes aren't particularly small or easy to transport, and not particularly liquid in terms of a speculative commodity. Precious metals, stamps, or coins would make more sense from a speculation standpoint. Option two in my experience isn't particularly profitable if you value your time. Reproduction and used parts aren't cheap, nor is chrome plating. Restoring jukeboxes is labor-intensive and requires a varied skill set. Even if the unrestored original is a "steal", bringing the box to close to grade one will likely cost close to its resale value. If you value your time at minimum wage you'll most likely be upside-down by the time you're done. I suppose a fourth option would be to leave them unrestored and just bring them to good working order for resale. But who would be the buyers of those machines? This might work for the less desirable boxes like LPCs, etc. where the target market is someone with a low-end game room that just wants "a jukebox". But a serious collector or high-end game room person is going to want the cabinet and cosmetics to be in top shape. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 19:53:49 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jul 17 19:55:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer 2304 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <228287.98986.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> OK--First of all, you need to determine what type of speakers you are using-- That amp is mono, and has a hook-up point for either 8 ohm or CV speakers, clearly marked under the strip (unless it? has "fallen off" ?). The center tap on that terminal strip is common, and the other two taps are marked "500 ohm" ( or "CV") and 8 ohm. The switch controls the "balance" between internal and external speakers. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote: From: Carl & Lynne Sullivan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer 2304 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 6:48 PM The amp is a 536.? ? I connected standard stereo speakers up to the three screws just below the fader control.???It appears the middle screw is a common ground.? so I connected the speaker to one outside screw and the middle screw. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Which model amp is being used--where did you connect the ex. speakers, and > what kind of speakers are they ?? Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com < > Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer 2304 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:00 PM > > How does the fader control work with external speakers? I hooked up two > standard external speakers and then adjusted the fader control to the AD > positions. However, the speakers didn't work in any of the positions. > > Thoughts from the group?? > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 17 19:54:43 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Fri Jul 17 19:56:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Price Check (in general) Message-ID: ok, i got some emails about my juke math.... here goes... so berry says a grade 1 wurlitzer 1800 was $5500 in 1998.... in today's dollars that would be $7400 (using the federal inflation index, feel free to look it up).... you would have to wait a very long time, or ship it overseas, to get even close for that machine today... and that's just to break even... bottom line, the value has decreased....period. since the supply is somewhat fixed, what's the only reason for price relief...demand... you could probably do the same thing for any juke in the "guide" ... there will always be individuals who want a grade one machine of a particular model, we still do those on request, but it takes more than one "grade 1" customer to keep the price up. you need a waiting list like we all had 10yrs ago... buy cause you love em', not as an investment.... while other guys were hawking their machines as investments, i used to tell my customers buy it to use and enjoy, not for resale potential... i have had innumerable service calls for "investment machines" that were bought 15-20 yrs ago and sat idle for so long they no longer work. the owners are angry they can't get their money back out of them... (sigh)... always beware of the man who shows you his collection with a price guide in hand... as for the age of the jukers, i truely and sincerely think it's great that some of you know of younger persons joining in, but i still feel that's vastly the exception to the rule. if you go by close friends or people in your family who are regularly exposed to this, i could throw in a couple too, but that's not really a accurate sample of the hobby. i look at the people i do business with (buy, sell, service) daily... again, no doom and gloom here, just tired of hucksters hyping this stuff into the stratosphere... people need to be realistic about these machines... buying and selling... they are indeed valuable, but hardly an investment to watch "appreciate" with some phony price guide written by avid sellers of the same items... any change in the subjective values but "up" would be counterproductive to the sellers of the guides... justin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm going to have to disagree with Justin S. on a couple of things. Your reference to values, etc. seemed to have a lot of doom and gloom in it, in your response to Dana. I am finding new & younger collectors in this hobby quite frequently. Yes, there are the "old" guard out there who have been driving this hobby a long time, but I surprisingly have run into some new collectors (Age 20-30) who are beginning to take up the hobby, even though vinyl often was before their time. I'm also not so sure the demand has fallen for good....demand may have fallen for LPC's, and some of the newer boxes, but demand for all the 50's Wurlitzers, AMI's, Rock's and Seeburgs (V's) are still very strong, depending on condition. The sheer volume of R's, C's, 222's, etc. may show a decline, but the notable machines (we all know what they are) in my opinion are extremely strong, especially if you find an untouched original. I've gone back and looked at my early prices guides from The Jukebox Bluebook and Always Jukin early price guide (1993) and a Grade 1 1800 was $3300 in Jukebox Bluebook (Seems very fair to me for 1993.) The 1998 Always Jukin Price Guide showed $5500 for a Grade 1 1800. The above are only examples, but certainly believe them to be in line. The supply may be gone for good, but I believe demand is still quite high for nice, unrestored, original machines. Respectfully, Berry Bell "No Huckster here" _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 19:59:40 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jul 17 20:01:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum In-Reply-To: <5A51BDE26E044613957A9FC6D6479C99@LIBRARY> Message-ID: <589003.92052.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, You say that you replaced all of the motor mounts ?--Where did you get the new mounts--I have run into "NOS" mounts that are much too? stiff---also, how loud is the amp set--are you sure that the AVC is not powering up ??? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Jackie Grizzle wrote: From: Jackie Grizzle Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 7:45 PM Thanks guys for your suggestions. Jim, the switching of the stereo-mono switch does as you were saying, the music sounds normal but the rumble goes away.? Decreasing the bass and or level doesn't change anything.? I haven't yet tried reducing the rumble by removing one of the belts. Ron, the shelf? is suspended freely on all the springs. The motor doesn't appear to have any vibration or noise, but as I mentioned before, there is still some rumble even with the drive wheel lifted off the capstan.? Could the motor still be causing this, even though it is defintely worse when the drive wheel is allowed to contact the capstan.? All this with the drive belts off. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Jackie, Is the mechanism shelf supported/suspended on the four springs--or are they missing, or is the shelf still "bolted down" ? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Jackie Grizzle wrote: From: Jackie Grizzle Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:40 PM This is my first post, I normally restore/repair antique radios, but recently got a Wurlitzer 3210 jukebox that has a hum problem. This seems to be from a mechanical soure, as it only occurs when the stylus is on the record. It's there when the motor and drive wheel is running, but with the drive belts are off. It decreases by about 60 percent when you lift the drive wheel off the motor capstan, the remaining hum goes away when the motor is unplugged. I have changed the motor mounts, oiled the motor, and tried a new drive wheel, but no difference. The motor is quite and seems to run smooth. There's no hum at all when the stylus is lifted off the record. The cartridge looks and sounds ok and it's wiring is correct, but could the cartridge or motor still be the problem? Any ideas? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.18/2243 - Release Date: 07/17/09 06:08:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 20:03:22 2009 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Fri Jul 17 20:04:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer 2304 In-Reply-To: <228287.98986.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <228287.98986.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, Thanks, I guess the strip has fallen off. The speakers are not vintage. They are from the early 90s and are not marked. I assume I can test with a meter? Is the left screw CV and far right 8 ohm? On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > OK--First of all, you need to determine what type of speakers you are > using-- That amp is mono, and has a hook-up point for either 8 ohm or CV > speakers, clearly marked under the strip (unless it has "fallen off" ?). > The center tap on that terminal strip is common, and the other two taps are > marked "500 ohm" ( or "CV") and 8 ohm. The switch controls the "balance" > between internal and external speakers. Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Carl & Lynne Sullivan > wrote: > > From: Carl & Lynne Sullivan > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer > 2304 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 6:48 PM > > The amp is a 536. I connected standard stereo speakers up to the three > screws just below the fader control. It appears the middle screw is a > common ground. so I connected the speaker to one outside screw and the > middle screw. > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > > > Which model amp is being used--where did you connect the ex. speakers, > and > > what kind of speakers are they ? Ron Rich > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com < > > Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > From: Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer 2304 > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:00 PM > > > > How does the fader control work with external speakers? I hooked up two > > standard external speakers and then adjusted the fader control to the AD > > positions. However, the speakers didn't work in any of the positions. > > > > Thoughts from the group?? > > > > thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 20:10:30 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jul 17 20:12:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Max 2 481 Arm Problem In-Reply-To: <869405.86948.qm@web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <450046.84587.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> James, That's simply a lack of proper lubrication--no problem. Get thee to the store and purchase some SAE #20 wt. motor oil, and start squirting the gripper arm assembly--especially in between the two gears on the right--then operate it a few times while LIGHTLY holding down on the front of the gripper arm, as it picks up a record--it will "pull" away from you--do not hang on--for up to 100 operations----play both sides of the records--it will "correct" itself on one side first--the second side will take more oil/time-- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/17/09, James Armstrong wrote: From: James Armstrong Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Max 2 481 Arm Problem To: "jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com" Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 6:00 PM I've got a Rockola 481 Max 2 that has been working great.? But now the arm is acting weird.? All aspects of the box function properly except the arm.? It picks up the record (and flips for side 2) and places the record on the turntable properly.? But it can't pick it up.? It seems to raise up before the plunger pushes the record in the arm grooves.? I know there's not a lot to go on, but any suggestions?? Thanks James ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 20:13:54 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jul 17 20:15:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer 2304 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <622698.83580.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have no way to tell which screw is which--should be there, if I remember right in large silk-screened writing well below the ter. strip?? That's all I re-call--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote: From: Carl & Lynne Sullivan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer 2304 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:03 PM Ron, Thanks, I guess the strip has fallen off.???The speakers are not vintage. They are from the early 90s and are not marked.???I assume I can test with a meter? Is the left screw CV and far right 8 ohm? On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > OK--First of all, you need to determine what type of speakers you are > using-- That amp is mono, and has a hook-up point for either 8 ohm or CV > speakers, clearly marked under the strip (unless it? has "fallen off" ?). > The center tap on that terminal strip is common, and the other two taps are > marked "500 ohm" ( or "CV") and 8 ohm. The switch controls the "balance" > between internal and external speakers. Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Carl & Lynne Sullivan > wrote: > > From: Carl & Lynne Sullivan > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer > 2304 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 6:48 PM > > The amp is a 536.? ? I connected standard stereo speakers up to the three > screws just below the fader control.???It appears the middle screw is a > common ground.? so I connected the speaker to one outside screw and the > middle screw. > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > > > Which model amp is being used--where did you connect the ex. speakers, > and > > what kind of speakers are they ?? Ron Rich > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com < > > Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > From: Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] External Speakers/Fader Control on Wurlitzer 2304 > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:00 PM > > > > How does the fader control work with external speakers? I hooked up two > > standard external speakers and then adjusted the fader control to the AD > > positions. However, the speakers didn't work in any of the positions. > > > > Thoughts from the group?? > > > > thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jag at ellijay.com Fri Jul 17 20:34:20 2009 From: jag at ellijay.com (Jackie Grizzle) Date: Fri Jul 17 20:36:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum References: <589003.92052.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A7FD66B91284E26B540632B5A14EE15@LIBRARY> Ron, These were new reproduction motor mounts for a 3210 and seemed to be almost identical to the old ones except the screw stud was slightly smaller in diameter. They were purchased from Vern Tisdale. I'm not sure how soft mounts should be, but the old ones were not very hard. I've got another set, I might change them again if I don't turn up something else. When I recapped the amplifier, the AVC was not working, but it had a shorted diode. Afterwards the AVC seems to be working good, you can see the changing voltage and the gain changes appropriately. Prior to replacing the diode, the AVC had the amp cranked up. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Jackie, You say that you replaced all of the motor mounts ?--Where did you get the new mounts--I have run into "NOS" mounts that are much too stiff---also, how loud is the amp set--are you sure that the AVC is not powering up ?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Jackie Grizzle wrote: From: Jackie Grizzle Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 7:45 PM Thanks guys for your suggestions. Jim, the switching of the stereo-mono switch does as you were saying, the music sounds normal but the rumble goes away. Decreasing the bass and or level doesn't change anything. I haven't yet tried reducing the rumble by removing one of the belts. Ron, the shelf is suspended freely on all the springs. The motor doesn't appear to have any vibration or noise, but as I mentioned before, there is still some rumble even with the drive wheel lifted off the capstan. Could the motor still be causing this, even though it is defintely worse when the drive wheel is allowed to contact the capstan. All this with the drive belts off. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Jackie, Is the mechanism shelf supported/suspended on the four springs--or are they missing, or is the shelf still "bolted down" ? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Jackie Grizzle wrote: From: Jackie Grizzle Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:40 PM This is my first post, I normally restore/repair antique radios, but recently got a Wurlitzer 3210 jukebox that has a hum problem. This seems to be from a mechanical soure, as it only occurs when the stylus is on the record. It's there when the motor and drive wheel is running, but with the drive belts are off. It decreases by about 60 percent when you lift the drive wheel off the motor capstan, the remaining hum goes away when the motor is unplugged. I have changed the motor mounts, oiled the motor, and tried a new drive wheel, but no difference. The motor is quite and seems to run smooth. There's no hum at all when the stylus is lifted off the record. The cartridge looks and sounds ok and it's wiring is correct, but could the cartridge or motor still be the problem? Any ideas? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.18/2243 - Release Date: 07/17/09 06:08:00 From pinballpauls at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 08:10:17 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Sat Jul 18 08:44:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer wall box key question In-Reply-To: <8CBD54BF340A83E-DA8-16A6@FWM-D45.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBD54BF340A83E-DA8-16A6@FWM-D45.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: To open an "Ace" type lock, there are 8 pins in a circle. You need to take a small drill bit and drill these out very carefully. once these have been removed you can turn the center pin on the lock with a pair of pliers. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:17 PM, wrote: > > I have a Wurlitzer wall box that i recently purchased. i am not sure of the > model, but it looks like a 5200 or 5202. It is 100 plays with a single coin > slot in the middle top of the unit. According to the owner, this unit has > been sitting in storage for over 35 years and the chrome looks so good that > i don't doubt him. The only problem is that the previous never sent the > original key as promised. Does any one know if Wurlitzer had a universal key > to open these boxes? If any one is interested in seeing this box to help me > identify, please email and i will send a pic. > > Thank you > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 09:16:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jul 18 09:17:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer wall box key question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <505285.1523.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The original question/answer seems to me to ask if this is an "ACE" type lock--yes, it sounds as if it is ("round type"). A good locksmith can open it, and make a new key for it, thus preventing any damage caused by drilling, and at the same time eliminating the need to find a replacement lock.? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Paul Howlett wrote: From: Paul Howlett Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer wall box key question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 8:10 AM To open an "Ace" type lock, there are 8 pins in a circle.? You need to take a small drill bit and drill these out very carefully.? once these have been removed you can turn the center pin on the lock with a pair of pliers. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:17 PM, wrote: > > I have a Wurlitzer wall box that i recently purchased. i am not sure of the > model, but it looks like a 5200 or 5202. It is 100 plays with a single coin > slot in the middle top of the unit. According to the owner, this unit has > been sitting in storage for over 35 years and the chrome looks so good that > i don't doubt him. The only problem is that the previous never sent the > original key as promised. Does any one know if Wurlitzer had a universal key > to open these boxes? If any one is interested in seeing this box to help me > identify, please email and i will send a pic. > > Thank you > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Sat Jul 18 09:50:13 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Jul 18 09:51:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer wall box key question In-Reply-To: <8CBD54BF340A83E-DA8-16A6@FWM-D45.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBD54BF340A83E-DA8-16A6@FWM-D45.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A61FD45.7030401@telus.net> donshawnmyself@aol.com wrote: > I have a Wurlitzer wall box that i recently purchased. i am not sure of the model, but it looks like a 5200 or 5202. It is 100 plays with a single coin slot in the middle top of the unit. According to the owner, this unit has been sitting in storage for over 35 years and the chrome looks so good that i don't doubt him. The only problem is that the previous never sent the original key as promised. Does any one know if Wurlitzer had a universal key to open these boxes? If any one is interested in seeing this box to help me identify, please email and i will send a pic. > > Thank you > _______________________________________________ > > If the number of the Wallbox lock is stamped on the outside then chances are Jack Prince has a key for it. http://www.flippers.com/jukebox_service.html (he is right near the top of the page) John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 10:10:17 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jul 18 10:11:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer wall box key question In-Reply-To: <4A61FD45.7030401@telus.net> Message-ID: <576425.86906.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Unless it's been "re-keyed", which is somewhat common with ACE type locks--? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 7/18/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer wall box key question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:50 AM donshawnmyself@aol.com wrote: > I have a Wurlitzer wall box that i recently purchased. i am not sure of the model, but it looks like a 5200 or 5202. It is 100 plays with a single coin slot in the middle top of the unit. According to the owner, this unit has been sitting in storage for over 35 years and the chrome looks so good that i don't doubt him. The only problem is that the previous never sent the original key as promised. Does any one know if Wurlitzer had a universal key to open these boxes? If any one is interested in seeing this box to help me identify, please email and i will send a pic. > > Thank you > _______________________________________________ > >??? If the number of the Wallbox? lock is stamped on the outside then chances are Jack Prince has a key for it. http://www.flippers.com/jukebox_service.html (he is right near the top of the page) John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jul 18 16:15:57 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jul 18 16:18:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Message-ID: <20090718.191557.2561.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jackie: Have you had any luck solving your W3210 turntable rumble/feedback problem? Per everyone on the discussion thread it seems like you've addressed all the usual things that can cause this problem. Here's one more suggestion. Have you checked the phono cartridge itself? It doesn't happen often,but old ceramic cartridges can fail over time and give an ersatz frequency response when playing. The best way to check this is to substitute another stereo ceramic-element cartridge in place of the original. I believe the W3200 jukes originally used an Astatic model 133D cartridge. These are no longer in production but there are a number of on line sellers that have new old stock available. A universal replacement cartridge, widely available that can work here is the Pfanstiehl P132D. A replacement cartridge needs to have the same physical weight as the original unit in order to work in the vertical-play counterbalanced tone arm. There is an adjustable counterweight at the base of the arm to compensate for small weight differences. There is a nut and spring adjustment behind the tone arm to adjust stylus tracking pressure. See the manual for adjustment details. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Durable and cost effective steel buildings. Click for huge discounts. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZQXupGfwv3zZbi8SCikssVlZlVYEdsr2qlo1t3AruDZ0yhiplTmY/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 18:14:55 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jul 18 18:23:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum In-Reply-To: <20090718.191557.2561.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <334618.98593.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> This brings to mind the idea that the cartridge may have been mounted "in rubber", and the rubber is gone? Consult that model's parts book---Also have seen/heard ceramic carts become micro phonic----Ron Rich --- On Sat, 7/18/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 4:15 PM Hello Jackie: Have you had any luck solving your W3210 turntable rumble/feedback problem?? ? Per everyone on the discussion thread it seems like you've addressed all the usual things that can cause this problem. Here's one more suggestion.???Have you checked the phono cartridge itself????It doesn't happen often,but old ceramic cartridges can fail over time and give an ersatz frequency response when playing.? ? The best way to check this is to substitute another stereo ceramic-element cartridge in place of the original.? I believe the W3200 jukes originally used an Astatic model 133D cartridge. These are no longer in production but there are a number of on line sellers that have new old stock available.? ? A universal replacement cartridge, widely available that can work here is the Pfanstiehl P132D. A replacement cartridge needs to have the same physical weight as the original unit in order to work in the vertical-play counterbalanced tone arm. There is an adjustable counterweight at the base of the arm to compensate for small weight differences.? There is a nut and spring adjustment behind the tone arm to adjust stylus tracking pressure.???See the manual for adjustment details. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Durable and cost effective steel buildings. Click for huge discounts. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZQXupGfwv3zZbi8SCikssVlZlVYEdsr2qlo1t3AruDZ0yhiplTmY/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sat Jul 18 21:47:15 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Jul 18 21:48:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum In-Reply-To: <334618.98593.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <334618.98593.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A62A553.3050007@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > This brings to mind the idea that the cartridge may have been mounted "in rubber", and the rubber is gone? Consult that model's parts book---Also have seen/heard ceramic carts become micro phonic----Ron Rich I would hope that they were microphonic. That's the point. :-) The piezoelectric microphonic properties of the ceramic are what makes the cartridge function. You have a valid point with the isolation issue but to the best of my knowledge these cartridges are mounted directly to the tonearm without rubber isolators. The original poster indicated that the hum/rumble went away when the stereo switch was placed in the MONO position. This tends to indicate that the noise, which it seems to be mechanical, is due to vibrations perpendicular to the surface of the record. This would be up-and-down on a traditional turntable or in this case toward and away from the tonearm. I would advise disassembling and cleaning/relubricating the turntable bearings. This is tedious on this model, but may be needed. Have you put a few drops of non-detergent oil in the oil hole on top of the turntable drive shaft? Sewing machine oil is a good choice in my opinion. Lubricants are some what of a religious issue on the list, but the consensus is to stay away from WD-40 and 3-in-1 unless it is specifically labeled "Electric Motor Oil". AVC can make rumble appear worse if there is a long lead-in or lead-out groove. The long silent groove causes the AVC to raise the volume and thus amplify any hum/rumble/noise. When the music starts the volume gets turned down. The rumble isn't that loud in comparison to the music, but the AVC makes it seem worse by boosting the volume. One more thing, is the plastic "fan" intact on the center post? This isn't just decoration, but acts as a shield to reduce acoustic feedback from the speakers causing the record to vibrate in and out. If you look at earlier models, you'll see that this part was much smaller in the monaural models such as the 1900 and 2000. With stereo, the clear plastic fan was enlarged to keep the record from vibrating in and out in sympathy with the bass from the speakers. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jul 19 08:51:30 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jul 19 08:53:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum In-Reply-To: <4A62A553.3050007@west.net> Message-ID: <739015.26100.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, OK wise guy-- you are right--"microphonic" to a point--however they tend to become MORE microphonic-er? as the "rubber" hardens--- I do know that the early Wurly stereo carts were also rubber mounted, but am unsure if they continued that practice--or for how long it may have been done-- Your points about the AVC, and TT oiling are worth considering. I have one thing to add. The TT pivot points on these tonearms, tend to get rusty, and become tight. It appears to me that rather then addressing this by removing, cleaning, oiling and re-adjusting, "people" tend to just tighten the spring pressure, to overcome the friction.? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:47 PM Ron Rich wrote: > This brings to mind the idea that the cartridge may have been mounted "in rubber", and the rubber is gone? Consult that model's parts book---Also have seen/heard ceramic carts become micro phonic----Ron Rich I would hope that they were microphonic.? That's the point.? :-)? The piezoelectric microphonic properties of the ceramic are what makes the cartridge function. You have a valid point with the isolation issue but to the best of my knowledge these cartridges are mounted directly to the tonearm without rubber isolators. The original poster indicated that the hum/rumble went away when the stereo switch was placed in the MONO position.? This tends to indicate that the noise, which it seems to be mechanical, is due to vibrations perpendicular to the surface of the record.? This would be up-and-down on a traditional turntable or in this case toward and away from the tonearm. I would advise disassembling and cleaning/relubricating the turntable bearings.? This is tedious on this model, but may be needed.? Have you put a few drops of non-detergent oil in the oil hole on top of the turntable drive shaft?? Sewing machine oil is a good choice in my opinion.? Lubricants are some what of a religious issue on the list, but the consensus is to stay away from WD-40 and 3-in-1 unless it is specifically labeled "Electric Motor Oil". AVC can make rumble appear worse if there is a long lead-in or lead-out groove.? The long silent groove causes the AVC to raise the volume and thus amplify any hum/rumble/noise.? When the music starts the volume gets turned down.? The rumble isn't that loud in comparison to the music, but the AVC makes it seem worse by boosting the volume. One more thing, is the plastic "fan" intact on the center post?? This isn't just decoration, but acts as a shield to reduce acoustic feedback from the speakers causing the record to vibrate in and out.? If you look at earlier models, you'll see that this part was much smaller in the monaural models such as the 1900 and 2000.? With stereo, the clear plastic fan was enlarged to keep the record from vibrating in and out in sympathy with the bass from the speakers. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jag at ellijay.com Sun Jul 19 10:24:36 2009 From: jag at ellijay.com (Jackie Grizzle) Date: Sun Jul 19 10:26:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum References: <739015.26100.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5BE19D78E17A422E9982AA2A990998CB@LIBRARY> Thanks guys for your help. The cartridge does not have any external cushioning as it mounts directly to the tonearm, unless there's something missing. As I mentioned earlier, this rumble is occurring when the motor and drive wheel is turning, but with the drive belts off. The stylus is on the record, but the TT is not rotating. Since this is the first jukebox I've worked with, maybe I'm being too picky. In the past when I've listened to jukeboxes in diners, I have never noticed this much rumble on lead in and lead out grooves. How much is normal? The level control is set about half way. Of course, when the AVC wasn't working and it was cranked up, it was much more noticeable. Jim, I have wondered about the cartridge and if it could be the problem. I don't have another one to try, but I can order one. The original cartridge is a Sonotone 9T. There might still be some nos available. Since it has a different type connector plug, it would be easier to interchange. If not, I would like to get a ceramic and one with approximately same weight and performance. Is the Pfanstiehl P132D the best choice? Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Jay, OK wise guy-- you are right--"microphonic" to a point--however they tend to become MORE microphonic-er as the "rubber" hardens--- I do know that the early Wurly stereo carts were also rubber mounted, but am unsure if they continued that practice--or for how long it may have been done-- Your points about the AVC, and TT oiling are worth considering. I have one thing to add. The TT pivot points on these tonearms, tend to get rusty, and become tight. It appears to me that rather then addressing this by removing, cleaning, oiling and re-adjusting, "people" tend to just tighten the spring pressure, to overcome the friction. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:47 PM Ron Rich wrote: > This brings to mind the idea that the cartridge may have been mounted "in > rubber", and the rubber is gone? Consult that model's parts book---Also > have seen/heard ceramic carts become micro phonic----Ron Rich I would hope that they were microphonic. That's the point. :-) The piezoelectric microphonic properties of the ceramic are what makes the cartridge function. You have a valid point with the isolation issue but to the best of my knowledge these cartridges are mounted directly to the tonearm without rubber isolators. The original poster indicated that the hum/rumble went away when the stereo switch was placed in the MONO position. This tends to indicate that the noise, which it seems to be mechanical, is due to vibrations perpendicular to the surface of the record. This would be up-and-down on a traditional turntable or in this case toward and away from the tonearm. I would advise disassembling and cleaning/relubricating the turntable bearings. This is tedious on this model, but may be needed. Have you put a few drops of non-detergent oil in the oil hole on top of the turntable drive shaft? Sewing machine oil is a good choice in my opinion. Lubricants are some what of a religious issue on the list, but the consensus is to stay away from WD-40 and 3-in-1 unless it is specifically labeled "Electric Motor Oil". AVC can make rumble appear worse if there is a long lead-in or lead-out groove. The long silent groove causes the AVC to raise the volume and thus amplify any hum/rumble/noise. When the music starts the volume gets turned down. The rumble isn't that loud in comparison to the music, but the AVC makes it seem worse by boosting the volume. One more thing, is the plastic "fan" intact on the center post? This isn't just decoration, but acts as a shield to reduce acoustic feedback from the speakers causing the record to vibrate in and out. If you look at earlier models, you'll see that this part was much smaller in the monaural models such as the 1900 and 2000. With stereo, the clear plastic fan was enlarged to keep the record from vibrating in and out in sympathy with the bass from the speakers. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2248 - Release Date: 07/19/09 05:57:00 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jul 19 10:37:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jul 19 10:40:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Message-ID: <20090719.133746.17418.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: by the late 60's, Wurlitzer was using phono cartridges that were plastic encapsulated. Most of the snap-in cartridge brackets by that time were made of plastic. I do recall, that some cartridge brackets were mounted in rubber grommets. I believe this dated to the early 60's models that used the various Sonotone cartridges,most of which had metal mt. brackets. I never determined what the engineering purpose of the grommets was. I assumed it was to isolate the phono cartridge from the record changer ground. A cracked,loose or broken plexi shield (the record guide)in front of the TT can be a cause for low-freq feedback, but this usually isn't an issue unless pretty high volume/bass boost levels are in use. I've had experience where aged, ceramic cartridges in old machines that have been in storage a long time will exhibit wierd characteristics, including big mid-hi freq. losses, but otherwise tracked and worked normally. Since Jackie said this was his first phono project, maybe the cartridge got overlooked in his diagnosis. It was assumed good in all our early posts. On a few other occasions, I offered the opinion on this post that ceramic element cartridges deteriorate over time, and in a restoration should always be replaced fresh, but others disagreed with me. BTW, we haven't had any posts lately from Jackie, the person restoring the 3210 having this problem. Maybe we're beating the topic to death. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Water & Sewage Removal Emergency response 24/7 for flooding damage. See our coupon. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-ESTqn1CUXEiYuE0mMQdtgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAUAAAAAAAAAAEXwPz6kg8e6_gx3TQtwOyWUaKxUAAAAAA== From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jul 19 11:06:45 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jul 19 11:09:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Message-ID: <20090719.140645.17418.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Hi Jackie: Thanks for your response. It's unusual to see a Sonotone 9T cartr. in a machine as new as a W3210. Possibly it was a repair/ changeout by a previous owner. Yes, the Sonotone 9T's go slowly bad and will sound weird. I had this happen to me recently. It was driving the AVC action crazy in the amp along with having a super-heavy bass sound quality. New cartridge cleared it all up. The Sonotone 9T and 18T cartridges are being freshly replicated. Buying one of these eliminates the headache of changing out the 4 pin catrridge plug that was unique to Sonotone, and rebalancing the tone arm. The Sonotone carts are available from www.needles4jukeboxes.com and other parts houses. In this case I would not use a Pfanstiehl P132D. You will have to cut off the 4 pin plug and solder cartridge push-on pin connectors to the tone arm wires to accomodate it. If you're young enough where you grew up in the CD age, you may not be accustomed to turntable rumble, record surface noise, etc. The price of progress, I guess. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click now to find great remedies for hangovers! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYX6cQ48q9JOWZyVoOzai1atI1elhrLZA0aYct5L3BfzaNvY35rRUM/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jul 19 14:31:31 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jul 19 14:33:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum In-Reply-To: <5BE19D78E17A422E9982AA2A990998CB@LIBRARY> Message-ID: <739031.37114.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, If you are setting the needle on the record, without the record turning, the AVC will "build up" to as high as it can--thus amplifing anything it "hears"---I am guessing that everything's all right---Yes-Pfansteihl 132D will work.? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Jackie Grizzle wrote: From: Jackie Grizzle Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 10:24 AM Thanks guys for your help. The cartridge does not have any external cushioning as it mounts directly to the tonearm, unless there's something missing. As I mentioned earlier, this rumble is occurring when the motor and drive wheel is turning, but with the drive belts off.? The stylus is on the record, but the TT is not rotating. Since this is the first jukebox I've worked with, maybe I'm being too picky.. In the past when I've listened to jukeboxes in diners, I have never noticed this much rumble on lead in and lead out grooves.? How much is normal?? The level control is set about half way.? Of course, when the AVC wasn't working and it was cranked up, it was much more noticeable. Jim, I have wondered about the cartridge and if it could be the problem.? I don't have another one to try, but I can order one.? The original cartridge is a Sonotone 9T.? There might still be some nos available.? Since it has a different type connector plug, it would be easier to interchange..? If not, I would like to get a ceramic and one with approximately same weight and performance. Is the Pfanstiehl P132D the best choice? Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Jay, OK wise guy-- you are right--"microphonic" to a point--however they tend to become MORE microphonic-er as the "rubber" hardens--- I do know that the early Wurly stereo carts were also rubber mounted, but am unsure if they continued that practice--or for how long it may have been done-- Your points about the AVC, and TT oiling are worth considering. I have one thing to add. The TT pivot points on these tonearms, tend to get rusty, and become tight. It appears to me that rather then addressing this by removing, cleaning, oiling and re-adjusting, "people" tend to just tighten the spring pressure, to overcome the friction. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:47 PM Ron Rich wrote: > This brings to mind the idea that the cartridge may have been mounted "in rubber", and the rubber is gone? Consult that model's parts book---Also have seen/heard ceramic carts become micro phonic----Ron Rich I would hope that they were microphonic. That's the point. :-) The piezoelectric microphonic properties of the ceramic are what makes the cartridge function. You have a valid point with the isolation issue but to the best of my knowledge these cartridges are mounted directly to the tonearm without rubber isolators. The original poster indicated that the hum/rumble went away when the stereo switch was placed in the MONO position. This tends to indicate that the noise, which it seems to be mechanical, is due to vibrations perpendicular to the surface of the record. This would be up-and-down on a traditional turntable or in this case toward and away from the tonearm. I would advise disassembling and cleaning/relubricating the turntable bearings. This is tedious on this model, but may be needed. Have you put a few drops of non-detergent oil in the oil hole on top of the turntable drive shaft? Sewing machine oil is a good choice in my opinion. Lubricants are some what of a religious issue on the list, but the consensus is to stay away from WD-40 and 3-in-1 unless it is specifically labeled "Electric Motor Oil". AVC can make rumble appear worse if there is a long lead-in or lead-out groove. The long silent groove causes the AVC to raise the volume and thus amplify any hum/rumble/noise. When the music starts the volume gets turned down. The rumble isn't that loud in comparison to the music, but the AVC makes it seem worse by boosting the volume. One more thing, is the plastic "fan" intact on the center post? This isn't just decoration, but acts as a shield to reduce acoustic feedback from the speakers causing the record to vibrate in and out. If you look at earlier models, you'll see that this part was much smaller in the monaural models such as the 1900 and 2000. With stereo, the clear plastic fan was enlarged to keep the record from vibrating in and out in sympathy with the bass from the speakers. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2248 - Release Date: 07/19/09 05:57:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Jul 19 15:54:29 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Jul 19 15:56:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Message-ID: The factory cartridge for the Wurlitzer 3200 series is the Sonotone 16T. I have a nearly identical 9T in mine. Just had to file the mounting tabs a bit, 2 seconds with the Dremel. These Sonotones have a nylon plug that holds their wires and snaps out of the cartridge, making installing a new one easier. No soldering or anything. Just slide it out. They come up on eBay all the time. I have a few NOS ones (9T) and I could part with one. Yes, these Sonotones are prone to going bad after 40 years, but usually it's just a loss of fidelity. I'd check the wires too and from the cartridge and look for a broken wire. It's an odd problem for sure. The Astatic 133 came with the next mechanism, the 3400. It's a good cartridge. They hold up well. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone. Click here. http://windowslive.com/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_MB_new_hotmail_072009 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Jul 19 15:56:44 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Jul 19 15:58:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Message-ID: Oh, and nothing's missing. For sure the 3000-3200 cartridges were dry mounted. No rubber. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TXT_MLOGEN_Local_Local_Restaurants_1x1 From webmaster at guestwho.com Sun Jul 19 16:27:32 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Sun Jul 19 16:29:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Broken pin on tube socket In-Reply-To: <4A5E26EF.4040007@west.net> References: <4A5E26EF.4040007@west.net> Message-ID: Jay, I've been attempting your method and the dimple will not flatten! I've squeezed the pliers til I'm blue in the face and it doesn't do a thing! Is there a special technique to this ? Otherwise I have to proceed with replacing the whole socket.. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Broken pin on tube socket > Chris Ralph wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I was working on my 543 amp again, and I broke one of the pins (pin 7) on >> V10. This socket is for a 6973 tube (4 of these in total). I was able to >> remove the broken pin, but I wasn't able to remove an unused from another >> socket to replace it! >> >> Is there a way to remove/replace just a single pin or do I have to >> replace the entire socket ? > > You can replace just the pin, and this can save a lot of time. > > Yours is a 9-pin miniature socket. The base has a large D-shaped opening > on the top facing the tube which narrows to a slot on the bottom side. > The business end of the pin rests in the D-shaped opening and grips the > tube pin, and the solder tab protrudes out the slot in the bottom. During > manufacture, after the pin is inserted into the slot, a dimple is made in > the solder tab to hold it in place. > > You'll want to find a similar socket either new or in use on the same > jukebox with an unused pin, ideally one that has never been soldered. > > With a pair of longnose pliers, flatten out the dimple of your donor pin. > Make sure the solder tab is sticking straight out of the base. Then push > it out of the donor socket and insert it where the pin is missing in your > socket. > > Then, you'll then need to re-dimple or otherwise secure the pin in place. > Making the dimple can be tough, usually bending the solder tab where it > comes out of the base is sufficient. Don't use glue. > > >> Schematic: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/wurlitzer_543_amp.pdf >> >> Broken pin: http://www.guestwho.com/juke/socket-pin.jpg >> >> If I have to replace the socket, I was thinking ebay #200361420302 (8 Pin >> Amphenol Octal Tube Socket NOS (4 Sockets)) > > No, these are for the larger tubes and the pins aren't compatible. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Sun Jul 19 19:22:02 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jul 19 19:23:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Broken pin on tube socket In-Reply-To: References: <4A5E26EF.4040007@west.net> Message-ID: <4A63D4CA.9010603@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > Jay, > > I've been attempting your method and the dimple will not flatten! I've > squeezed the pliers til I'm blue in the face and it doesn't do a thing! Strange, I've done this multiple times with good results. Try a different pair of pliers, smooth-jawed small longnose should work. This is a new pin that hasn't been soldered, correct? A blob of solder will keep it from flattening. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 20 11:21:47 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Jul 20 11:23:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 222 mechansim needed Message-ID: I'm looking for a good complete mechanism including wiring harness and connectors for a Seeburg Model 222. Anybody have one? Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jul 20 12:36:04 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jul 20 12:37:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seebooger AY or DS lamps. Message-ID: POO! I have to have one of these by this evening and forgot to find out what size. Ballast and starter are OK, I just neglected to write down which size. Can anyone whip that up for me? T8 or T12. I'm sure T12 is easier to find at the hardware store. Nice story on this machine. It's bittersweet and I know many of you will enjoy reading it (again). I got an e-mail from a guy here in San Francisco a few years ago, Jim Reveaux, who repaired tube amplifiers and equipment and came across a jukebox that needed some work. He was grateful for the help I gave him and was forever handing me this or that tube for free and we had a few chances to simply hang out. I hadn't heard from him for a while so called him up. Turns out the bronchitis he thought he couldn't shake was lung cancer, and he passed away a couple months later. This was someone who probably had a lot to teach me and I was devastated. Even if I never learned anything from him, at least he was a local kindred spirit. About a month after he was gone, his wife called and said she'd been to the garage to start dealing with all his stuff (a 2 car garage packed with tubes, tube stuff, phono parts... heck, he had a huge bag of boxed NOS cartridges and styli any of us would kill for. Anyway, she said there were a couple things with my name and number taped to them and she knew he wanted me to have them. So we go and it's an AY160 and the lower half of an AY160 (great condition cabinet). I didn't have any room for them, so my friends have a big garage and have been storing them for me. Now, 2 years later, I need a stereotypical looking jukebox as a stage prop, so this is an excuse to go get the complete AY and clean it up. It's pretty decent. I bought a rebuilt control center that's been converted to solid state a while back from one of the list members (I'm sorry, it's slipped my mind who it was). After a bath and Windex, I had some free time, so I popped this in and fired it up, and low and behold, except for several wires pulled from the 11 pin plug, it came to life. Even the amplifier works loud and clear with no hum. So, it's being picked up tonight and I need a lamp for it. I still keep Jim's card on my fridge and his number in my cell phone; and no, the AY will never go up for sale. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Search, add, and share the web?s latest sports videos. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 13:37:06 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Mon Jul 20 13:38:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My CD list for my Jukebox Message-ID: <962961.56852.qm@web63204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hello there juke peeps! OK I have finally settled on 100 cd's for my cd jukebox;a '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51.Please let me know what you think of my selections;and please feel free to voice your opinion as to what YOU would have loaded in my juke if it was yours.First part of the list is the cd's that made the cut;the other part are cd's that didn't make the cut.I know I'm gonna catch some flack over not having any Elvis Cd's in it (haha) but the only one I had has 30 tracks on it;too many to print on a title card.I'd love to see what your list would look like. CDS THAT MADE THE CUT 1. ABBA - GREATEST HITS 2. AIR SUPPLY - ULTIMATE AIR SUPPLY 3. BARRY MANILOW - ULTIMATE MANILOW 4. BILLBOARD GREATEST CHRISTMAS HITS - 1935 TO 1954 5. BILLBOARD GREATEST CHRISTMAS HITS - 1955 TO PRESENT 6. BILLBOARD POP MEMORIES - 1940 TO 1944 7. BILLBOARD POP MEMORIES - 1945 TO 1949 8. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1955 9. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1956 10. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1957 11. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1958 12. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1959 13. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1960 14. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1961 15. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1962 16. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1963 17. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1964 18. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1965 19. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1966 20. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1967 21. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1968 22. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1969 23. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1970 24. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1971 25. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1972 26. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1973 27. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1974 28. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1975 29. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1976 30. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1977 31. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1978 32. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1979 33. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1980 34. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1981 35. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1982 36. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1983 37. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1984 38. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1985 39. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1986 40. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1987 41. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1988 42. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1989 43. BILLY JOEL - THE ESSENTIAL COLLECTION - DISC 1 44. BILLY JOEL - THE ESSENTIAL COLLECTION - DISC 2 45. BLAKE SHELTON - BLAKE SHELTON 46. BLONDIE - GREATEST HITS 47. BOSTON - GREATEST HITS 48. BOZ SCAGGS - HITS! 49. BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN - GREATEST HITS 50. CARPENTERS - SINGLES 1969 TO 1981 51. CHICAGO - THE VERY BEST OF - DISC 1 52. CHICAGO - THE VERY BEST OF - DISC 2 53. DEF LEPPARD - VAULT (GREATEST HITS) 54. ELTON JOHN - GREATEST HITS 55. ELTON JOHN - GREATEST HITS VOL. 2 56. ELTON JOHN - GREATEST HITS VOL. 3 57. ELTON JOHN - LIVE IN AUSTRAILIA 58. FOREIGNER - COMPLETE GREATEST HITS 59. GARTH BROOKS - DOUBLE LIVE DISC 1 60. GARTH BROOKS - DOUBLE LIVE DISC 2 61. HALL & OATES - THE VERY BEST OF 62. HEART - GREATEST HITS 1985 TO 1995 63. JOHN MELLENCAMP -THE BEST THAT I COULD DO -'78 TO '88 64. JOURNEY - GREATEST HITS 65. LIONEL RICHIE - THE BEST OF 66. LITTLE RIVER BAND - GREATEST HITS 67. OLIVIA NEWTON JOHN - THE ESSENTIAL COLL. -'71 TO '92 68. PAT BENATAR - BEST SHOTS 69. PHIL COLLINS - HITS 70. REO SPEEDWAGON - THE HITS 71. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1955 72. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1956 73. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1957 74. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1958 75. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1959 76. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1960 77. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1961 78. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1962 79. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1963 80. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1964 81. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1965 82. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1966 83. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1967 84. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1968 85. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1969 86. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1970 87. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1971 88. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1972 89. STYX - CLASSICS (GREATEST HITS) 90. SUPERTRAMP - CLASSICS 91. SURVIVOR - GREATEST HITS 92. THE CAPTAIN & TENNILLE - THE COMPLETE HITS 93. THE CARS - GREATEST HITS 94. THE CHARLIE DANIELS BAND - A DECADE OF HITS 95. THE WHO - GREATEST HITS 96. TOBY KEITH - GREATEST HITS VOL. 1 97. TOBY KEITH - GREATEST HITS VOL. 2 98. TOBY KEITH - UNLEASHED 99. TOM PETTY & THE HEARTBREAKERS - GREATEST HITS 100. TRANS SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA - THE LOST CHRISTMAS EVE ? CDS THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT 1. THE B-52'S - TIME CAPSULE 2. THE FABULOUS 40'S - 4 DISC SET 3. ELTON JOHN - CAPT. FANTASTIC & THE BROWN DIRT COWBOY 4. ELTON JOHN - SLEEPING WITH THE PAST 5. ELTON JOHN - ELTON JOHN 6. MARIAH CAREY - #1'S 7. ELVIS - 30 #1 HITS 8. CHEAP TRICK - GREATEST HITS 9. THE BEAVIS & BUTTHEAD EXPERIENCE 10. BETTE MIDLER - GREATEST HITS 11. STING & THE POLICE - THE VERY BEST OF 12. SOUTH PARK - BIGGER,LONGER & UNCUT(SOUNDTRACK) 13. THE BEST OF CHRISTMAS 14. POP & SOUL HOLIDAY HITS - VOL. 2 15. BEE GEES - GREATEST HITS - 2 DISC SET 16. ELTON JOHN - ONE NIGHT ONLY 17. BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN - BORN IN THE USA 18. AEROSMITH - GREATEST HITS 19. AMERICA - GREATEST HITS 20. BOB SEGER - GREATEST HITS 21. THE FABULOUS 50'S - 3 DISC SET 22. THE VERY BEST OF JACKSON BROWNE - 2 DISC SET 23. STEVE MILLER BAND - GREATEST HITS '74 TO '78 24. EARTH WIND & FIRE - GREATEST HITS 25. CHUCK BERRY - GREATEST HITS 26. KENNY CHESNEY - GREATEST HITS 27. MEAT LOAF - BAT OUT OF HELL 28. THE DOOBIE BROS. - BEST OF THE DOOBIES - 2 DISC SET 29. DICKIE GOODMAN - GREATEST FABLES 30. ELTON JOHN - THE BIG PICTURE 31. ELTON JOHN - PEACHTREE ROAD ? Looking forward to your opinions! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball ? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 14:49:39 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jul 20 14:51:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seebooger AY or DS lamps. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5984.18346.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle 28 inch T-12 is whatz called for --T-8 will work in it's place--All lamps are listed for jukes in the rear of Victory Glass' catalog-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seebooger AY or DS lamps. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 12:36 PM POO!? I have to have one of these by this evening and forgot to find out what size. Ballast and starter are OK, I just neglected to write down which size. Can anyone whip that up for me? T8 or T12. I'm sure T12 is easier to find at the hardware store. Nice story on this machine. It's bittersweet and I know many of you will enjoy reading it (again). I got an e-mail from a guy here in San Francisco a few years ago, Jim Reveaux, who repaired tube amplifiers and equipment and came across a jukebox that needed some work.? He was grateful for the help I gave him and was forever handing me this or that tube for free and we had a few chances to simply hang out.? I hadn't heard from him for a while so called him up. Turns out the bronchitis he thought he couldn't shake was lung cancer, and he passed away a couple months later.? This was someone who probably had a lot to teach me and I was devastated. Even if I never learned anything from him, at least he was a local kindred spirit. About a month after he was gone, his wife called and said she'd been to the garage to start dealing with all his stuff (a 2 car garage packed with tubes, tube stuff, phono parts...? heck, he had a huge bag of boxed NOS cartridges and styli any of us would kill for.? Anyway, she said there were a couple things with my name and number taped to them and she knew he wanted me to have them.? So we go and it's an AY160 and the lower half of an AY160 (great condition cabinet). I didn't have any room for them, so my friends have a big garage and have been storing them for me. Now, 2 years later, I need a stereotypical looking jukebox as a stage prop, so this is an excuse to go get the complete AY and clean it up.? It's pretty decent.? I bought a rebuilt control center that's been converted to solid state a while back from one of the list members (I'm sorry, it's slipped my mind who it was).? After a bath and Windex, I had some free time, so I popped this in and fired it up, and low and behold, except for several wires pulled from the 11 pin plug, it came to life.? Even the amplifier works loud and clear with no hum. So, it's being picked up tonight and I need a lamp for it.? I still keep Jim's card on my fridge and his number in my cell phone; and no, the AY will never go up for sale. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Search, add, and share the web?s latest sports videos. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jul 20 15:04:16 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jul 20 15:05:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. Message-ID: Thanks, Ron. I was just headed back here to cancel that request as I spotted the info elsewhere on line, walked a block to the hardware store, and went with the skinny T8. Half the price and about twice the life expectancy. No-brainer there. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone. Click here. http://windowslive.com/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_MB_new_hotmail_072009 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 15:13:50 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jul 20 15:15:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <957238.2661.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle, Really --I thought that the T-12 had a much better life expectancy ??? Is this true for all lengths ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 3:04 PM Thanks, Ron. I was just headed back here to cancel that request as I spotted the info elsewhere on line, walked a block to the hardware store, and went with the skinny T8.? Half the price and about twice the life expectancy. No-brainer there. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone.? Click here. http://windowslive.com/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_MB_new_hotmail_072009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mmarsh16 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 20 15:31:29 2009 From: mmarsh16 at hotmail.com (Mike Marsh) Date: Mon Jul 20 15:33:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My CD list for my Jukebox In-Reply-To: <962961.56852.qm@web63204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <962961.56852.qm@web63204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Looks pretty good. But Lose Abba, Air Supply, and Barry; and replace them with Aerosmith, Cheap Trick and Chuck Berry (hey that rhymes!) Have Fun, Mike > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:37:06 -0700 > From: speedracer13440@yahoo.com > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > CC: > Subject: [Jukebox-list] My CD list for my Jukebox > > Hello there juke peeps! OK I have finally settled on 100 cd's for my cd jukebox;a '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51.Please let me know what you think of my selections;and please feel free to voice your opinion as to what YOU would have loaded in my juke if it was yours.First part of the list is the cd's that made the cut;the other part are cd's that didn't make the cut.I know I'm gonna catch some flack over not having any Elvis Cd's in it (haha) but the only one I had has 30 tracks on it;too many to print on a title card.I'd love to see what your list would look like. > CDS THAT MADE THE CUT > 1. ABBA - GREATEST HITS > 2. AIR SUPPLY - ULTIMATE AIR SUPPLY > 3. BARRY MANILOW - ULTIMATE MANILOW > 4. BILLBOARD GREATEST CHRISTMAS HITS - 1935 TO 1954 > 5. BILLBOARD GREATEST CHRISTMAS HITS - 1955 TO PRESENT > 6. BILLBOARD POP MEMORIES - 1940 TO 1944 > 7. BILLBOARD POP MEMORIES - 1945 TO 1949 > 8. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1955 > 9. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1956 > 10. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1957 > 11. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1958 > 12. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1959 > 13. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1960 > 14. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1961 > 15. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1962 > 16. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1963 > 17. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1964 > 18. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1965 > 19. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1966 > 20. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1967 > 21. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1968 > 22. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1969 > 23. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1970 > 24. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1971 > 25. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1972 > 26. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1973 > 27. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1974 > 28. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1975 > 29. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1976 > 30. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1977 > 31. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1978 > 32. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1979 > 33. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1980 > 34. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1981 > 35. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1982 > 36. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1983 > 37. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1984 > 38. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1985 > 39. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1986 > 40. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1987 > 41. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1988 > 42. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1989 > 43. BILLY JOEL - THE ESSENTIAL COLLECTION - DISC 1 > 44. BILLY JOEL - THE ESSENTIAL COLLECTION - DISC 2 > 45. BLAKE SHELTON - BLAKE SHELTON > 46. BLONDIE - GREATEST HITS > 47. BOSTON - GREATEST HITS > 48. BOZ SCAGGS - HITS! > 49. BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN - GREATEST HITS > 50. CARPENTERS - SINGLES 1969 TO 1981 > 51. CHICAGO - THE VERY BEST OF - DISC 1 > 52. CHICAGO - THE VERY BEST OF - DISC 2 > 53. DEF LEPPARD - VAULT (GREATEST HITS) > 54. ELTON JOHN - GREATEST HITS > 55. ELTON JOHN - GREATEST HITS VOL. 2 > 56. ELTON JOHN - GREATEST HITS VOL. 3 > 57. ELTON JOHN - LIVE IN AUSTRAILIA > 58. FOREIGNER - COMPLETE GREATEST HITS > 59. GARTH BROOKS - DOUBLE LIVE DISC 1 > 60. GARTH BROOKS - DOUBLE LIVE DISC 2 > 61. HALL & OATES - THE VERY BEST OF > 62. HEART - GREATEST HITS 1985 TO 1995 > 63. JOHN MELLENCAMP -THE BEST THAT I COULD DO -'78 TO '88 > 64. JOURNEY - GREATEST HITS > 65. LIONEL RICHIE - THE BEST OF > 66. LITTLE RIVER BAND - GREATEST HITS > 67. OLIVIA NEWTON JOHN - THE ESSENTIAL COLL. -'71 TO '92 > 68. PAT BENATAR - BEST SHOTS > 69. PHIL COLLINS - HITS > 70. REO SPEEDWAGON - THE HITS > 71. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1955 > 72. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1956 > 73. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1957 > 74. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1958 > 75. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1959 > 76. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1960 > 77. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1961 > 78. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1962 > 79. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1963 > 80. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1964 > 81. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1965 > 82. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1966 > 83. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1967 > 84. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1968 > 85. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1969 > 86. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1970 > 87. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1971 > 88. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1972 > 89. STYX - CLASSICS (GREATEST HITS) > 90. SUPERTRAMP - CLASSICS > 91. SURVIVOR - GREATEST HITS > 92. THE CAPTAIN & TENNILLE - THE COMPLETE HITS > 93. THE CARS - GREATEST HITS > 94. THE CHARLIE DANIELS BAND - A DECADE OF HITS > 95. THE WHO - GREATEST HITS > 96. TOBY KEITH - GREATEST HITS VOL. 1 > 97. TOBY KEITH - GREATEST HITS VOL. 2 > 98. TOBY KEITH - UNLEASHED > 99. TOM PETTY & THE HEARTBREAKERS - GREATEST HITS > 100. TRANS SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA - THE LOST CHRISTMAS EVE > > CDS THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT > 1. THE B-52'S - TIME CAPSULE > 2. THE FABULOUS 40'S - 4 DISC SET > 3. ELTON JOHN - CAPT. FANTASTIC & THE BROWN DIRT COWBOY > 4. ELTON JOHN - SLEEPING WITH THE PAST > 5. ELTON JOHN - ELTON JOHN > 6. MARIAH CAREY - #1'S > 7. ELVIS - 30 #1 HITS > 8. CHEAP TRICK - GREATEST HITS > 9. THE BEAVIS & BUTTHEAD EXPERIENCE > 10. BETTE MIDLER - GREATEST HITS > 11. STING & THE POLICE - THE VERY BEST OF > 12. SOUTH PARK - BIGGER,LONGER & UNCUT(SOUNDTRACK) > 13. THE BEST OF CHRISTMAS > 14. POP & SOUL HOLIDAY HITS - VOL. 2 > 15. BEE GEES - GREATEST HITS - 2 DISC SET > 16. ELTON JOHN - ONE NIGHT ONLY > 17. BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN - BORN IN THE USA > 18. AEROSMITH - GREATEST HITS > 19. AMERICA - GREATEST HITS > 20. BOB SEGER - GREATEST HITS > 21. THE FABULOUS 50'S - 3 DISC SET > 22. THE VERY BEST OF JACKSON BROWNE - 2 DISC SET > 23. STEVE MILLER BAND - GREATEST HITS '74 TO '78 > 24. EARTH WIND & FIRE - GREATEST HITS > 25. CHUCK BERRY - GREATEST HITS > 26. KENNY CHESNEY - GREATEST HITS > 27. MEAT LOAF - BAT OUT OF HELL > 28. THE DOOBIE BROS. - BEST OF THE DOOBIES - 2 DISC SET > 29. DICKIE GOODMAN - GREATEST FABLES > 30. ELTON JOHN - THE BIG PICTURE > 31. ELTON JOHN - PEACHTREE ROAD > > Looking forward to your opinions! > Ken > '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 > '70 GTB Baseball > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Mon Jul 20 15:43:08 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Mon Jul 20 15:44:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My CD list for my Jukebox Message-ID: Um, I like the Barry Manilow and stuff - it's not that, it's all the CHRISTMAS MUSIC! That's seasonal stuff, and if you do like we did in vending, you put it in on the first page during the season. it gives you something to look forward to. I can't believe you have forsaken "Born In the USA" for 3 or 4 Christmas CDs. Shameful! Don't forget to run a Full Initialize once they're in place. It scans the disks for their track numbers and makes indexing/changing faster. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports From s.cummings4738 at att.net Mon Jul 20 16:55:41 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Mon Jul 20 16:56:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome Message-ID: <346900247-1248134116-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302333062-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> My A is finally nearing completion (after nearly 7 years!). Box is done, lighting is installed, and I'm installing all the chrome. Can someone recommend the best way to secure the frame for the dome to the glass itself? It seemed, when I took it apart for plating, that some sort of rubber was probably originally installed. I ordered the "dome trim kit" from A-1, but it's just a roll of rubber weatherstripping (very nice for padding other parts, but I can't see how this would help on the dome). I think someone once mentioned using silicone, with the disclaimer that it would be nearly impossible to remove if you ever needed to. Any thoughts? Thanks! From jay at west.net Mon Jul 20 17:20:58 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jul 20 17:22:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome In-Reply-To: <346900247-1248134116-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302333062-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <346900247-1248134116-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302333062-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4A6509EA.3090408@west.net> Scott Cummings wrote: > My A is finally nearing completion (after nearly 7 years!). Box is done, lighting is installed, and I'm installing all the chrome. Can someone recommend the best way to secure the frame for the dome to the glass itself? It seemed, when I took it apart for plating, that some sort of rubber was probably originally installed. I ordered the "dome trim kit" from A-1, but it's just a roll of rubber weatherstripping (very nice for padding other parts, but I can't see how this would help on the dome). I think someone once mentioned using silicone, with the disclaimer that it would be nearly impossible to remove if you ever needed to. At least from the standpoint of the Seeburg R, here are two different products for padding/securing the dome. The first secures the raw dome glassto its frame. Wurlitzer typically used a U-shaped light grey channel rubber, Seeburg may be similar. See Victory Glass part 1-4205 described as follows: Rubber gasket (gray) for edges of dome glasses (3/16" I.D. for triple strength glass) used on most Wurlitzer domes including 1900-2104 (Channeled rubber as original) per foot. Then there's a flat black foam weatherstripping stuck to the underside of the dome/frame assembly that seals against the side glass and possibly the front. This is usually hard and/or gooey deteriorated on original jukes. It sounds like this is what you got. You could use silicone or even old-school glazier's putty to secure the dome in the frame if the channeled rubber isn't suitable. A local glass shop may be able to advise you and have something suitable in stock. When you took it apart, what was originally securing the glass to the frame? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From s.cummings4738 at att.net Mon Jul 20 18:10:24 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Mon Jul 20 18:11:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome In-Reply-To: <4A6509EA.3090408@west.net> References: <346900247-1248134116-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302333062-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><4A6509EA.3090408@west.net> Message-ID: <2037274362-1248138601-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2043836539-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> You're definitely right on what I bought. It's the padding. As for what it had - imagine the channel is shaped like a "U". Left and right side had nothing (there was gunk, but I think it was probably 60 years og glass cleaner and nicotine). On the "bottom" of the U was the same hard gooey stuff as what the other padded areas turned into. I suspected that I should cut the padding up and lay it flat in the channel but wasn't sure. With everything else so readily available it seemed a time-consuming task to keep cutting and test fitting. Also, it will do nothing to hold the glass in place, only pad it from rattling. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:20:58 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome Scott Cummings wrote: > My A is finally nearing completion (after nearly 7 years!). Box is done, lighting is installed, and I'm installing all the chrome. Can someone recommend the best way to secure the frame for the dome to the glass itself? It seemed, when I took it apart for plating, that some sort of rubber was probably originally installed. I ordered the "dome trim kit" from A-1, but it's just a roll of rubber weatherstripping (very nice for padding other parts, but I can't see how this would help on the dome). I think someone once mentioned using silicone, with the disclaimer that it would be nearly impossible to remove if you ever needed to. At least from the standpoint of the Seeburg R, here are two different products for padding/securing the dome. The first secures the raw dome glassto its frame. Wurlitzer typically used a U-shaped light grey channel rubber, Seeburg may be similar. See Victory Glass part 1-4205 described as follows: Rubber gasket (gray) for edges of dome glasses (3/16" I.D. for triple strength glass) used on most Wurlitzer domes including 1900-2104 (Channeled rubber as original) per foot. Then there's a flat black foam weatherstripping stuck to the underside of the dome/frame assembly that seals against the side glass and possibly the front. This is usually hard and/or gooey deteriorated on original jukes. It sounds like this is what you got. You could use silicone or even old-school glazier's putty to secure the dome in the frame if the channeled rubber isn't suitable. A local glass shop may be able to advise you and have something suitable in stock. When you took it apart, what was originally securing the glass to the frame? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jag at ellijay.com Mon Jul 20 19:35:03 2009 From: jag at ellijay.com (Jackie Grizzle) Date: Mon Jul 20 19:36:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum References: Message-ID: I appreciate everyone's suggestions on my post. I do have a couple of other questions in another area. Inside the machine, a few pieces of the thin tinted acetate or plastic has faded or warped and the plastic light diffuser behind the white Wurlitzer front panel is cracked and needs replacing. I assume this is no longer available and is left up to your own ingenuity. Where is a good source for tinted plastic and light diffusing material? What is the recommended way of going to free play on this machine. I don't want the latch coil to stay energized all the time and since the coin mechanism works, I would like to keep it that way. I guess I could move the free play switch to an external location. Any suggestions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." To: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Oh, and nothing's missing. For sure the 3000-3200 cartridges were dry mounted. No rubber. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2248 - Release Date: 07/19/09 05:57:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 19:38:25 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jul 20 19:40:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome In-Reply-To: <346900247-1248134116-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302333062-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <637162.32369.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, I am not sure when Seeburg started using a product called "Black Magic", but I know that it was used in later years to secure the glass to metal in domes. It may have been used as early as the "A". ? I think it's still available, and I think the Corp. name is "Magic" (Products Co ?)? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: "Jukebox List" Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:55 PM My A is finally nearing completion (after nearly 7 years!). Box is done, lighting is installed, and I'm installing all the chrome. Can someone recommend the best way to secure the frame for the dome to the glass itself? It seemed, when I took it apart for plating, that some sort of rubber was probably originally installed. I ordered the "dome trim kit" from A-1, but it's just a roll of rubber weatherstripping (very nice for padding other parts, but I can't see how this would help on the dome). I think someone once mentioned using silicone, with the disclaimer that it would be nearly impossible to remove if you ever needed to. Any thoughts? Thanks! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 19:44:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jul 20 19:46:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome In-Reply-To: <2037274362-1248138601-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2043836539-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <563247.97621.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> That "gunk" was what was left of the "Black Magic"--should have really stuck and been hard to remove--came out in flakes--HINT: Be 1000% you have removed ALL of it before installing the glass !!!? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: "Jukebox List" Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 6:10 PM You're definitely right on what I bought. It's the padding. As for what it had - imagine the channel is shaped like a "U". Left and right side had nothing (there was gunk, but I think it was probably 60 years og glass cleaner and nicotine). On the "bottom" of the U was the same hard gooey stuff as what the other padded areas turned into. I suspected that I should cut the padding up and lay it flat in the channel but wasn't sure. With everything else so readily available it seemed a time-consuming task to keep cutting and test fitting. Also, it will do nothing to hold the glass in place, only pad it from rattling. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:20:58 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome Scott Cummings wrote: > My A is finally nearing completion (after nearly 7 years!). Box is done, lighting is installed, and I'm installing all the chrome. Can someone recommend the best way to secure the frame for the dome to the glass itself? It seemed, when I took it apart for plating, that some sort of rubber was probably originally installed. I ordered the "dome trim kit" from A-1, but it's just a roll of rubber weatherstripping (very nice for padding other parts, but I can't see how this would help on the dome). I think someone once mentioned using silicone, with the disclaimer that it would be nearly impossible to remove if you ever needed to. At least from the standpoint of the Seeburg R, here are two different products for padding/securing the dome.? The first secures the raw dome glassto its frame.? Wurlitzer typically used a U-shaped light grey channel rubber, Seeburg may be similar.? See Victory Glass part 1-4205 described as follows:? ??? ? ? Rubber gasket (gray) for edges of dome glasses (3/16" I.D. for ? ? triple strength glass) used on most Wurlitzer domes including ? ? 1900-2104 (Channeled rubber as original) per foot. Then there's a flat black foam weatherstripping stuck to the underside of the dome/frame assembly that seals against the side glass and possibly the front.? This is usually hard and/or gooey deteriorated on original jukes.? It sounds like this is what you got. You could use silicone or even old-school glazier's putty to secure the dome in the frame if the channeled rubber isn't suitable.? A local glass shop may be able to advise you and have something suitable in stock. When you took it apart, what was originally securing the glass to the frame? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 19:54:37 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Jul 20 19:56:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My CD list for my Jukebox In-Reply-To: <962961.56852.qm@web63204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <248387.73701.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Ken wrote: > Hello there juke peeps! Hey, that would make a great Easter candy! :-) > Please let me know what you think of my selections;... No Pink Floyd? I even have "Have A Cigar"/"Wish You Were Here" as a 45 in my AMI G-200. From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Tue Jul 21 06:24:54 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Tue Jul 21 06:31:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: While we're on the subjects of lamps for these jukes, I found a problem with obtaining the little light bulbs that go under the mech cover emblem (3 required). I have ordered them from VG in the past, and while they fit, they are not nearly as bright as the original bulbs. Any thoughts on this guys? Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: 2009, July, 20 6:04 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. Thanks, Ron. I was just headed back here to cancel that request as I spotted the info elsewhere on line, walked a block to the hardware store, and went with the skinny T8. Half the price and about twice the life expectancy. No-brainer there. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone. Click here. http://windowslive.com/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_MB_new_hotmail_072009 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 08:48:53 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 21 08:50:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <107973.79244.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well, What # lamps are you using ? The two display lamps should be # 15, while the selection playing lamp should be # 12. BTW, numbers are "embossed" on the lamps. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 6:24 AM While we're on the subjects of lamps for these jukes, I found a problem with obtaining the little light bulbs that go under the mech cover emblem (3 required). I have ordered them from VG in the past, and while they fit, they are not nearly as bright as the original bulbs. Any thoughts on this guys? Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: 2009, July, 20 6:04 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. Thanks, Ron. I was just headed back here to cancel that request as I spotted the info elsewhere on line, walked a block to the hardware store, and went with the skinny T8.? Half the price and about twice the life expectancy. No-brainer there. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone.? Click here. http://windowslive.com/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_MB_new_hotmail_072009 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. 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Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jul 21 12:05:45 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jul 21 12:08:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Message-ID: <20090721.150545.3245.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Jackie: It is a good idea to not leave the "select" latching solenoids on all the time. That circuit wasn't designed to do that and could eventually burn up the solenoid coils or current-limiting resistors. What I do for many of my customers is to install a tastefully-hidden pushbutton on the back panel (usually inside one of the handle ports) that is wired in parallel with the 25 cent credit switch. So that you can remove the back panel conveniently for service, you may want to install an in-line insulated connector of some kind on the pushbutton line. Each time the button is pressed it should give you a quartr credit on the playrack (credit accumulator unit) There are "number-of-plays per coin" settings located in the playrak unit. Small size pushbuttons (with a 3/8" dia.center) can be found at most electronics parts houses. There's a possibility that you can find the original-issue mylar and plastic panels you are looking for a one of the juke parts salvage operations such as Durfee Coin Op (web: www.jukeboxparts.com) in MA. or Bill Butterfield's company in CA. (web: www.jukebox-parts.com) You can fabricate with generic replacements by contacting a signmaking shop or art-supply store in your area. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Workers Compensation Legal Advice. Click here http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbk8tXcDohIOg6OGbbE4c9HYLBp7T3ZWkYPwLiRPuJddQjxU6Uxc0/ From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 21 12:17:33 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Tue Jul 21 12:19:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome Message-ID: Ron you are so right about that. Years ago I had a replaced dome blowout when the juke got warm. There was some old hard "black magic" remaining in the channel and it created a pressure point on the glass. POW! So be sure the channel is clean and also if you had the frame plated be certain they haven't added so much material the glass will bind. I use black silicone; just a small dab every 6 inches or so to float the glass and keep it from rattling. If you filled the channel and inserted the glass it would be near impossible to get out again. Victory's foam padding is for the underside of the frame and it works pretty well, but tends to be thicker than the orignal stuff. Justin Message: 13 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:44:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: s.cummings4738@att.net, Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <563247.97621.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That "gunk" was what was left of the "Black Magic"--should have really stuck and been hard to remove--came out in flakes--HINT: Be 1000% you have removed ALL of it before installing the glass !!! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: "Jukebox List" Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 6:10 PM You're definitely right on what I bought. It's the padding. As for what it had - imagine the channel is shaped like a "U". Left and right side had nothing (there was gunk, but I think it was probably 60 years og glass cleaner and nicotine). On the "bottom" of the U was the same hard gooey stuff as what the other padded areas turned into. I suspected that I should cut the padding up and lay it flat in the channel but wasn't sure. With everything else so readily available it seemed a time-consuming task to keep cutting and test fitting. Also, it will do nothing to hold the glass in place, only pad it from rattling. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:20:58 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome Scott Cummings wrote: > My A is finally nearing completion (after nearly 7 years!). Box is done, lighting is installed, and I'm installing all the chrome. Can someone recommend the best way to secure the frame for the dome to the glass itself? It seemed, when I took it apart for plating, that some sort of rubber was probably originally installed. I ordered the "dome trim kit" from A-1, but it's just a roll of rubber weatherstripping (very nice for padding other parts, but I can't see how this would help on the dome). I think someone once mentioned using silicone, with the disclaimer that it would be nearly impossible to remove if you ever needed to. At least from the standpoint of the Seeburg R, here are two different products for padding/securing the dome. The first secures the raw dome glassto its frame. Wurlitzer typically used a U-shaped light grey channel rubber, Seeburg may be similar. See Victory Glass part 1-4205 described as follows: Rubber gasket (gray) for edges of dome glasses (3/16" I.D. for triple strength glass) used on most Wurlitzer domes including 1900-2104 (Channeled rubber as original) per foot. Then there's a flat black foam weatherstripping stuck to the underside of the dome/frame assembly that seals against the side glass and possibly the front. This is usually hard and/or gooey deteriorated on original jukes. It sounds like this is what you got. You could use silicone or even old-school glazier's putty to secure the dome in the frame if the channeled rubber isn't suitable. A local glass shop may be able to advise you and have something suitable in stock. When you took it apart, what was originally securing the glass to the frame? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 12:47:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 21 12:49:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <588780.23914.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, OK--went on a "Treasure Hunt", and found my last tube of that stuff--it's never had the top off it--but ,, it has apparently been punctured, and is as hard as a rock. Anyway, I can read the tube still----it's called "Miracle Black Magic Tough Glue". It was made by Miracle Adhesives Corp. Bellmore NY 11710. If anyone searches it out, let me know, and I'll buy another tube--- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Justin S. wrote: From: Justin S. Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 12:17 PM Ron you are so right about that. Years ago I had a replaced dome blowout when the juke got warm. There was some old hard "black magic" remaining in the channel and it created a pressure point on the glass. POW! So be sure the channel is clean and also if you had the frame plated be certain they haven't added so much material the glass will bind. I use black silicone; just a small dab every 6 inches or so to float the glass and keep it from rattling. If you filled the channel and inserted the glass it would be near impossible to get out again. Victory's foam padding is for the underside of the frame and it works pretty well, but tends to be thicker than the orignal stuff. Justin Message: 13 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:44:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: s.cummings4738@att.net,??? Jukebox mailing list ??? Message-ID: <563247.97621.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That "gunk" was what was left of the "Black Magic"--should have really stuck and been hard to remove--came out in flakes--HINT: Be 1000% you have removed ALL of it before installing the glass !!!? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: "Jukebox List" Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 6:10 PM You're definitely right on what I bought. It's the padding. As for what it had - imagine the channel is shaped like a "U". Left and right side had nothing (there was gunk, but I think it was probably 60 years og glass cleaner and nicotine). On the "bottom" of the U was the same hard gooey stuff as what the other padded areas turned into. I suspected that I should cut the padding up and lay it flat in the channel but wasn't sure. With everything else so readily available it seemed a time-consuming task to keep cutting and test fitting. Also, it will do nothing to hold the glass in place, only pad it from rattling. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:20:58 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome Scott Cummings wrote: > My A is finally nearing completion (after nearly 7 years!). Box is done, lighting is installed, and I'm installing all the chrome. Can someone recommend the best way to secure the frame for the dome to the glass itself? It seemed, when I took it apart for plating, that some sort of rubber was probably originally installed. I ordered the "dome trim kit" from A-1, but it's just a roll of rubber weatherstripping (very nice for padding other parts, but I can't see how this would help on the dome). I think someone once mentioned using silicone, with the disclaimer that it would be nearly impossible to remove if you ever needed to. At least from the standpoint of the Seeburg R, here are two different products for padding/securing the dome.? The first secures the raw dome glassto its frame.? Wurlitzer typically used a U-shaped light grey channel rubber, Seeburg may be similar.? See Victory Glass part 1-4205 described as follows:? ? ? ? ? Rubber gasket (gray) for edges of dome glasses (3/16" I.D. for ? ? triple strength glass) used on most Wurlitzer domes including ? ? 1900-2104 (Channeled rubber as original) per foot. Then there's a flat black foam weatherstripping stuck to the underside of the dome/frame assembly that seals against the side glass and possibly the front.? This is usually hard and/or gooey deteriorated on original jukes.? It sounds like this is what you got. You could use silicone or even old-school glazier's putty to secure the dome in the frame if the channeled rubber isn't suitable.? A local glass shop may be able to advise you and have something suitable in stock. When you took it apart, what was originally securing the glass to the frame? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Jul 21 12:54:25 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Jul 21 12:58:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. Message-ID: Re: Life expectancy of fl tubes vs. cost. Depends on their color temperature and wattage. In this case, the T12 is 25 watts, and the T8 was listed at 19 watts. I didn't note the color temperature in both of them, but I just replaced a tube in another machine where the color temperature was the only difference and the life expectancy was almost double what the cool white was. It's a more natural color and was also in this case less expensive. I don't have enough info to say one way or another if it a universal rule. I think the prices of them are actually quite arbitrary. The 33" for the Rock Ola 474 are freakin' $18 each. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Search, add, and share the web?s latest sports videos. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Tue Jul 21 13:01:54 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Tue Jul 21 13:03:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. In-Reply-To: <107973.79244.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <107973.79244.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, I'll check to see what is in the box. I'm not talking about the "selection playing" lamps, I'm talking about the small bulbs that go under the mechanism cover and light up the "Seeburg" emblem. They are a little bulb with two wires sticking out of them (no screw or bayonet base). It's in a DS. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2009, July, 21 11:49 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. Well, What # lamps are you using ? The two display lamps should be # 15, while the selection playing lamp should be # 12. BTW, numbers are "embossed" on the lamps. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 6:24 AM While we're on the subjects of lamps for these jukes, I found a problem with obtaining the little light bulbs that go under the mech cover emblem (3 required). I have ordered them from VG in the past, and while they fit, they are not nearly as bright as the original bulbs. Any thoughts on this guys? Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: 2009, July, 20 6:04 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. Thanks, Ron. I was just headed back here to cancel that request as I spotted the info elsewhere on line, walked a block to the hardware store, and went with the skinny T8.? Half the price and about twice the life expectancy. No-brainer there. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone.? Click here. http://windowslive.com/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_MB_new_hotmail_072009 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From s.cummings4738 at att.net Tue Jul 21 13:06:16 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Tue Jul 21 13:07:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome In-Reply-To: <588780.23914.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <588780.23914.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <733737533-1248206751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1970718306-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I'm looking! I found the MSDS for it (dated 1989). The fact that I can't readily find a website for them isn't a good sign though. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:47:33 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome Hi Guys, OK--went on a "Treasure Hunt", and found my last tube of that stuff--it's never had the top off it--but ,, it has apparently been punctured, and is as hard as a rock. Anyway, I can read the tube still----it's called "Miracle Black Magic Tough Glue". It was made by Miracle Adhesives Corp. Bellmore NY 11710. If anyone searches it out, let me know, and I'll buy another tube--- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Justin S. wrote: From: Justin S. Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 12:17 PM Ron you are so right about that. Years ago I had a replaced dome blowout when the juke got warm. There was some old hard "black magic" remaining in the channel and it created a pressure point on the glass. POW! So be sure the channel is clean and also if you had the frame plated be certain they haven't added so much material the glass will bind. I use black silicone; just a small dab every 6 inches or so to float the glass and keep it from rattling. If you filled the channel and inserted the glass it would be near impossible to get out again. Victory's foam padding is for the underside of the frame and it works pretty well, but tends to be thicker than the orignal stuff. Justin Message: 13 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:44:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: s.cummings4738@att.net,??? Jukebox mailing list ??? Message-ID: <563247.97621.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That "gunk" was what was left of the "Black Magic"--should have really stuck and been hard to remove--came out in flakes--HINT: Be 1000% you have removed ALL of it before installing the glass !!!? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: "Jukebox List" Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 6:10 PM You're definitely right on what I bought. It's the padding. As for what it had - imagine the channel is shaped like a "U". Left and right side had nothing (there was gunk, but I think it was probably 60 years og glass cleaner and nicotine). On the "bottom" of the U was the same hard gooey stuff as what the other padded areas turned into. I suspected that I should cut the padding up and lay it flat in the channel but wasn't sure. With everything else so readily available it seemed a time-consuming task to keep cutting and test fitting. Also, it will do nothing to hold the glass in place, only pad it from rattling. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:20:58 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome Scott Cummings wrote: > My A is finally nearing completion (after nearly 7 years!). Box is done, lighting is installed, and I'm installing all the chrome. Can someone recommend the best way to secure the frame for the dome to the glass itself? It seemed, when I took it apart for plating, that some sort of rubber was probably originally installed. I ordered the "dome trim kit" from A-1, but it's just a roll of rubber weatherstripping (very nice for padding other parts, but I can't see how this would help on the dome). I think someone once mentioned using silicone, with the disclaimer that it would be nearly impossible to remove if you ever needed to. At least from the standpoint of the Seeburg R, here are two different products for padding/securing the dome.? The first secures the raw dome glassto its frame.? Wurlitzer typically used a U-shaped light grey channel rubber, Seeburg may be similar.? See Victory Glass part 1-4205 described as follows:? ? ? ? ? Rubber gasket (gray) for edges of dome glasses (3/16" I.D. for ? ? triple strength glass) used on most Wurlitzer domes including ? ? 1900-2104 (Channeled rubber as original) per foot. Then there's a flat black foam weatherstripping stuck to the underside of the dome/frame assembly that seals against the side glass and possibly the front.? This is usually hard and/or gooey deteriorated on original jukes.? It sounds like this is what you got. You could use silicone or even old-school glazier's putty to secure the dome in the frame if the channeled rubber isn't suitable.? A local glass shop may be able to advise you and have something suitable in stock. When you took it apart, what was originally securing the glass to the frame? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 13:08:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 21 13:10:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <972490.16404.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kyle, Interesting--I think "wattage rating" is also somewhat arbitrary--as I have noticed different wattage listed on the same type/length lamps--even by the same brand-- As for "color", I would call it "shade"--but I have only seen the Seeburg PFEA series model come with any other then cool white lamps--- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: .. From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 12:54 PM Re: Life expectancy of fl tubes vs. cost. Depends on their color temperature and wattage.? In this case, the T12 is 25 watts, and the T8 was listed at 19 watts.? I didn't note the color temperature in both of them, but I just replaced a tube in another machine where the color temperature was the only difference and the life expectancy was almost double what the cool white was. It's a more natural color and was also in this case less expensive. I don't have enough info to say one way or another if it a universal rule.? I think the prices of them are actually quite arbitrary.? The 33" for the Rock Ola 474 are freakin' $18 each. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Search, add, and share the web?s latest sports videos. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 13:12:17 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 21 13:13:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <647573.64479.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mike, Attsa what I'm talking about-- They are called " Mini bi-pin" type-- the selection now playing lamp is under the sliding cover, above the other two lamps--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 1:01 PM Ron, I'll check to see what is in the box. I'm not talking about the "selection playing" lamps, I'm talking about the small bulbs that go under the mechanism cover and light up the "Seeburg" emblem. They are a little bulb with two wires sticking out of them (no screw or bayonet base). It's in a DS. Mike? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2009, July, 21 11:49 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. Well, What # lamps are you using ? The two display lamps should be # 15, while the selection playing lamp should be # 12. BTW, numbers are "embossed" on the lamps. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 6:24 AM While we're on the subjects of lamps for these jukes, I found a problem with obtaining the little light bulbs that go under the mech cover emblem (3 required). I have ordered them from VG in the past, and while they fit, they are not nearly as bright as the original bulbs. Any thoughts on this guys? Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: 2009, July, 20 6:04 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seebooger AY or DS lamps. Thanks, Ron. I was just headed back here to cancel that request as I spotted the info elsewhere on line, walked a block to the hardware store, and went with the skinny T8.? Half the price and about twice the life expectancy. No-brainer there. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone.? Click here. http://windowslive.com/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_MB_new_hotmail_072009 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. 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L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Tue Jul 21 13:17:46 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Tue Jul 21 13:19:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome In-Reply-To: <588780.23914.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <588780.23914.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1297977691-1248207441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1741471041-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Not looking good. From the filings and corporation info I can find it appears that the Miracle folks went out of business some time shortly after Seeburg. Probably their main customer. Anyhow, the last business filing I can see shows 5 employees and under $500k a year in revenue, which "ain't enough to live on". Permabond has a "Black Magic" product. Looks to be in the same chemical family. I wonder if Miracle was bought out? -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:47:33 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome Hi Guys, OK--went on a "Treasure Hunt", and found my last tube of that stuff--it's never had the top off it--but ,, it has apparently been punctured, and is as hard as a rock. Anyway, I can read the tube still----it's called "Miracle Black Magic Tough Glue". It was made by Miracle Adhesives Corp. Bellmore NY 11710. If anyone searches it out, let me know, and I'll buy another tube--- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Justin S. wrote: From: Justin S. Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 12:17 PM Ron you are so right about that. Years ago I had a replaced dome blowout when the juke got warm. There was some old hard "black magic" remaining in the channel and it created a pressure point on the glass. POW! So be sure the channel is clean and also if you had the frame plated be certain they haven't added so much material the glass will bind. I use black silicone; just a small dab every 6 inches or so to float the glass and keep it from rattling. If you filled the channel and inserted the glass it would be near impossible to get out again. Victory's foam padding is for the underside of the frame and it works pretty well, but tends to be thicker than the orignal stuff. Justin Message: 13 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:44:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: s.cummings4738@att.net,??? Jukebox mailing list ??? Message-ID: <563247.97621.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That "gunk" was what was left of the "Black Magic"--should have really stuck and been hard to remove--came out in flakes--HINT: Be 1000% you have removed ALL of it before installing the glass !!!? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: "Jukebox List" Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 6:10 PM You're definitely right on what I bought. It's the padding. As for what it had - imagine the channel is shaped like a "U". Left and right side had nothing (there was gunk, but I think it was probably 60 years og glass cleaner and nicotine). On the "bottom" of the U was the same hard gooey stuff as what the other padded areas turned into. I suspected that I should cut the padding up and lay it flat in the channel but wasn't sure. With everything else so readily available it seemed a time-consuming task to keep cutting and test fitting. Also, it will do nothing to hold the glass in place, only pad it from rattling. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:20:58 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome Scott Cummings wrote: > My A is finally nearing completion (after nearly 7 years!). Box is done, lighting is installed, and I'm installing all the chrome. Can someone recommend the best way to secure the frame for the dome to the glass itself? It seemed, when I took it apart for plating, that some sort of rubber was probably originally installed. I ordered the "dome trim kit" from A-1, but it's just a roll of rubber weatherstripping (very nice for padding other parts, but I can't see how this would help on the dome). I think someone once mentioned using silicone, with the disclaimer that it would be nearly impossible to remove if you ever needed to. At least from the standpoint of the Seeburg R, here are two different products for padding/securing the dome.? The first secures the raw dome glassto its frame.? Wurlitzer typically used a U-shaped light grey channel rubber, Seeburg may be similar.? See Victory Glass part 1-4205 described as follows:? ? ? ? ? Rubber gasket (gray) for edges of dome glasses (3/16" I.D. for ? ? triple strength glass) used on most Wurlitzer domes including ? ? 1900-2104 (Channeled rubber as original) per foot. Then there's a flat black foam weatherstripping stuck to the underside of the dome/frame assembly that seals against the side glass and possibly the front.? This is usually hard and/or gooey deteriorated on original jukes.? It sounds like this is what you got. You could use silicone or even old-school glazier's putty to secure the dome in the frame if the channeled rubber isn't suitable.? A local glass shop may be able to advise you and have something suitable in stock. When you took it apart, what was originally securing the glass to the frame? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Jul 21 13:21:04 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Jul 21 13:22:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 3210 Mechanical Hum Message-ID: Brittle plastics: Check your phone book. Every city has a plastics dealer that stocks all kinds of cool stuff from light diffusing panels, colored acetates, etc. You go in, brows, then they cut to order. The place here has a whole rack of leftovers that go for cheap. My nephew's 3100, all the colored gels in it went dark or crumbled, so that's what we did. Free Play: Crank up the credits on it. I have my 3200 on 5 for a quarter. No need to drop coins constantly, and the latch solenoid and resistor aren't running all the time. Sometimes it sits on for quite a while though, but the resistor takes care of the extra current. You could hook also up some leaf switches from the free credit switch to be tripped by the coin return button, or take out one of the top locks and put a button in the hole. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports From chuck at thevideobeat.com Tue Jul 21 13:37:22 2009 From: chuck at thevideobeat.com (chuck@thevideobeat.com) Date: Tue Jul 21 14:41:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? In-Reply-To: <610628483F57482D93283D4C3894C181@yourguessing> References: <8A7A97890E3B4205AD2930C5136117C5@yourguessing> <49E0149A.7030204@west.net><402CBAFFCA554DDC8507640AD38334C6@yourguessing><49E23F7A.8030909@west.net><6A294E88FB6646BDB972C135801E16FD@yourguessing> <610628483F57482D93283D4C3894C181@yourguessing> Message-ID: <225E62C922794B08ABCBA8BA35343E48@CHUCK> Hi, I will be getting my first jukebox soon. I will be using records from my collection of 50s & 60s 45s. Q: Is there a place to purchase authentic-looking sheets of perforated red & white title strips that will feed into a laser printer? AND, some type of software that recognizes the title strip format and prints nice and evenly on each strip? Any help will be most appreciated. Thank you, Chuck From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 15:00:30 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Tue Jul 21 15:02:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? In-Reply-To: <225E62C922794B08ABCBA8BA35343E48@CHUCK> References: <8A7A97890E3B4205AD2930C5136117C5@yourguessing> <49E0149A.7030204@west.net> <402CBAFFCA554DDC8507640AD38334C6@yourguessing> <49E23F7A.8030909@west.net> <6A294E88FB6646BDB972C135801E16FD@yourguessing> <610628483F57482D93283D4C3894C181@yourguessing> <225E62C922794B08ABCBA8BA35343E48@CHUCK> Message-ID: The software at lowprofilesoftware.com prints very good title strips without the need to buy blank title strips. Thomas On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:37 PM, wrote: > Hi, > > > > I will be getting my first jukebox soon. I will be using records from my > collection of > 50s & 60s 45s. > > > > Q: > > Is there a place to purchase authentic-looking sheets of perforated red & > white title > strips that will feed into a laser printer? AND, some type of software > that recognizes > the title strip format and prints nice and evenly on each strip? Any help > will be most > appreciated. > > > > Thank you, > Chuck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Tue Jul 21 15:02:15 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Tue Jul 21 15:08:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? References: <8A7A97890E3B4205AD2930C5136117C5@yourguessing><49E0149A.7030204@west.net><402CBAFFCA554DDC8507640AD38334C6@yourguessing><49E23F7A.8030909@west.net><6A294E88FB6646BDB972C135801E16FD@yourguessing><610628483F57482D93283D4C3894C181@yourguessing> <225E62C922794B08ABCBA8BA35343E48@CHUCK> Message-ID: <112086859B92457394B960A61AD00AA1@DFLXW121> For the software: http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/product/JukeBox For strips: http://www.oldies.com/product-view/TS1.html Jon Scaptura ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? > Hi, > > > > I will be getting my first jukebox soon. I will be using records from my > collection of > 50s & 60s 45s. > > > > Q: > > Is there a place to purchase authentic-looking sheets of perforated red & > white title > strips that will feed into a laser printer? AND, some type of software > that recognizes > the title strip format and prints nice and evenly on each strip? Any help > will be most > appreciated. > > > > Thank you, > Chuck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From s.cummings4738 at att.net Tue Jul 21 15:07:03 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Tue Jul 21 15:08:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? In-Reply-To: References: <8A7A97890E3B4205AD2930C5136117C5@yourguessing><49E0149A.7030204@west.net><402CBAFFCA554DDC8507640AD38334C6@yourguessing><49E23F7A.8030909@west.net><6A294E88FB6646BDB972C135801E16FD@yourguessing><610628483F57482D93283D4C3894C181@yourguessing><225E62C922794B08ABCBA8BA35343E48@CHUCK> Message-ID: <768795188-1248213999-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-741955349-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Ya know, I've seen the same question (and same answer) a number of times. While printing your own is nice (cheap), I have to think that there's some benefit (better color quality, thicker/more consistant paper stock, etc) to buying preprinted strips. Yes? No? -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Teeter Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:00:30 To: ; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? The software at lowprofilesoftware.com prints very good title strips without the need to buy blank title strips. Thomas On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:37 PM, wrote: > Hi, > > > > I will be getting my first jukebox soon. I will be using records from my > collection of > 50s & 60s 45s. > > > > Q: > > Is there a place to purchase authentic-looking sheets of perforated red & > white title > strips that will feed into a laser printer? AND, some type of software > that recognizes > the title strip format and prints nice and evenly on each strip? Any help > will be most > appreciated. > > > > Thank you, > Chuck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Tue Jul 21 15:16:41 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Tue Jul 21 15:18:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? References: <8A7A97890E3B4205AD2930C5136117C5@yourguessing><49E0149A.7030204@west.net><402CBAFFCA554DDC8507640AD38334C6@yourguessing><49E23F7A.8030909@west.net><6A294E88FB6646BDB972C135801E16FD@yourguessing><610628483F57482D93283D4C3894C181@yourguessing><225E62C922794B08ABCBA8BA35343E48@CHUCK> <768795188-1248213999-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-741955349-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: I buy 67 pound cover stock at Staples. I use an X-Acto paper cutter for nice even lines. I print on my Epson RX580 with very good results. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cummings" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? > Ya know, I've seen the same question (and same answer) a number of times. > While printing your own is nice (cheap), I have to think that there's some > benefit (better color quality, thicker/more consistant paper stock, etc) > to buying preprinted strips. Yes? No? > > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 16:15:57 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 21 16:17:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome In-Reply-To: <1297977691-1248207441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1741471041-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <753379.63331.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, No idea ?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: "Jukebox List" Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 1:17 PM Not looking good. From the filings and corporation info I can find it appears that the Miracle folks went out of business some time shortly after Seeburg. Probably their main customer. Anyhow, the last business filing I can see shows 5 employees and under $500k a year in revenue, which "ain't enough to live on". Permabond has a "Black Magic" product. Looks to be in the same chemical family. I wonder if Miracle was bought out? -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:47:33 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome Hi Guys, OK--went on a "Treasure Hunt", and found my last tube of that stuff--it's never had the top off it--but ,, it has apparently been punctured, and is as hard as a rock. Anyway, I can read the tube still----it's called "Miracle Black Magic Tough Glue". It was made by Miracle Adhesives Corp. Bellmore NY 11710. If anyone searches it out, let me know, and I'll buy another tube--- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Justin S. wrote: From: Justin S. Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 12:17 PM Ron you are so right about that. Years ago I had a replaced dome blowout when the juke got warm. There was some old hard "black magic" remaining in the channel and it created a pressure point on the glass. POW! So be sure the channel is clean and also if you had the frame plated be certain they haven't added so much material the glass will bind. I use black silicone; just a small dab every 6 inches or so to float the glass and keep it from rattling. If you filled the channel and inserted the glass it would be near impossible to get out again. Victory's foam padding is for the underside of the frame and it works pretty well, but tends to be thicker than the orignal stuff. Justin Message: 13 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:44:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: s.cummings4738@att.net,??? Jukebox mailing list ??? Message-ID: <563247.97621.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That "gunk" was what was left of the "Black Magic"--should have really stuck and been hard to remove--came out in flakes--HINT: Be 1000% you have removed ALL of it before installing the glass !!!? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome To: "Jukebox List" Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 6:10 PM You're definitely right on what I bought. It's the padding. As for what it had - imagine the channel is shaped like a "U". Left and right side had nothing (there was gunk, but I think it was probably 60 years og glass cleaner and nicotine). On the "bottom" of the U was the same hard gooey stuff as what the other padded areas turned into. I suspected that I should cut the padding up and lay it flat in the channel but wasn't sure. With everything else so readily available it seemed a time-consuming task to keep cutting and test fitting. Also, it will do nothing to hold the glass in place, only pad it from rattling. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:20:58 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chrome for Seeburg dome Scott Cummings wrote: > My A is finally nearing completion (after nearly 7 years!). Box is done, lighting is installed, and I'm installing all the chrome. Can someone recommend the best way to secure the frame for the dome to the glass itself? It seemed, when I took it apart for plating, that some sort of rubber was probably originally installed. I ordered the "dome trim kit" from A-1, but it's just a roll of rubber weatherstripping (very nice for padding other parts, but I can't see how this would help on the dome). I think someone once mentioned using silicone, with the disclaimer that it would be nearly impossible to remove if you ever needed to. At least from the standpoint of the Seeburg R, here are two different products for padding/securing the dome.? The first secures the raw dome glassto its frame.? Wurlitzer typically used a U-shaped light grey channel rubber, Seeburg may be similar.? See Victory Glass part 1-4205 described as follows:? ? ? ? ? Rubber gasket (gray) for edges of dome glasses (3/16" I.D. for ? ? triple strength glass) used on most Wurlitzer domes including ? ? 1900-2104 (Channeled rubber as original) per foot. Then there's a flat black foam weatherstripping stuck to the underside of the dome/frame assembly that seals against the side glass and possibly the front.? This is usually hard and/or gooey deteriorated on original jukes.? It sounds like this is what you got. You could use silicone or even old-school glazier's putty to secure the dome in the frame if the channeled rubber isn't suitable.? A local glass shop may be able to advise you and have something suitable in stock. When you took it apart, what was originally securing the glass to the frame? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 16:22:18 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 21 16:23:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? In-Reply-To: <768795188-1248213999-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-741955349-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <410139.5490.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, I agree. Ron? Rich --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 3:07 PM Ya know, I've seen the same question (and same answer) a number of times. While printing your own is nice (cheap), I have to think that there's some benefit (better color quality, thicker/more consistant paper stock, etc) to buying preprinted strips. Yes?? No? -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Teeter Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:00:30 To: ; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? The software at lowprofilesoftware.com prints very good title strips without the need to buy blank title strips. Thomas On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:37 PM, wrote: > Hi, > > > > I will be getting my first jukebox soon.? I will be using records from my > collection of > 50s & 60s 45s. > > > > Q: > > Is there a place to purchase authentic-looking sheets of perforated red & > white title > strips that will feed into a laser printer?? AND, some type of software > that recognizes > the title strip format and prints nice and evenly on each strip?? Any help > will be most > appreciated. > > > > Thank you, > Chuck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jul 21 19:41:36 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jul 21 19:44:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? Message-ID: <20090721.224136.11497.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: If you want to buy the perforated heavy-stock blank titlestrip paper, it is still being sold by Always Jukin'. They have it several color schemes. 20 strips on an 8.5 x 11" size page will fit a printer or typewriter. Can you use heavy card stock in most HP, Epson, Brother, etc printers without having paper jams? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ344N8ki94N6Ww6uQqmrRFDLjVGPnKIVaTOHmnHRynA5SPtj8tHq/ From pat at powerville.net Tue Jul 21 20:14:32 2009 From: pat at powerville.net (Pat Power) Date: Tue Jul 21 21:15:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? In-Reply-To: <20090721.224136.11497.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090721.224136.11497.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000001ca0a7a$884f0b90$98ed22b0$@net> Hi Jim, Here's one I can answer :^) If you printer has a "mostly straight" paper path, the heavy stock should work without a problem. Most of the modern printers have a 2nd paper path/source that comes in from the top or back of the printer for photo paper which is probably about the same weight as this card stock. If your printer only pulls the paper from the front, and then send it back out in the front of the printer (making a U-turn inside the printer), it will most likely not like the heaver card stock. -pat -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:42 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? Gentlemen: If you want to buy the perforated heavy-stock blank titlestrip paper, it is still being sold by Always Jukin'. They have it several color schemes. 20 strips on an 8.5 x 11" size page will fit a printer or typewriter. Can you use heavy card stock in most HP, Epson, Brother, etc printers without having paper jams? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ344N8ki94N6Ww6uQqmrRF DLjVGPnKIVaTOHmnHRynA5SPtj8tHq/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From leezo27 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Jul 22 02:14:42 2009 From: leezo27 at hotmail.co.uk (lee Hunt) Date: Wed Jul 22 02:23:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Max 447 (In Blue) Message-ID: Hello Everyone. Just a little flyer to let you all know that I have a Rockola Max 477 (In Blue) for sale. It has been in my family since the mid eighties. It's in full working order as it has been serviced by myself. There are a few spare cards for it and a remote volume control, also a manual and drawings. The overall condition of the jukebox is excellent, a very good example of the late seventies jukebox. Ideal for that seventies collector with limited space. Any realistic offer considered. The jukebox is in Dartmouth, Devon. Anybody interested in viewing and playing can contact me, (Lee) on 07917 793263. regards Lee _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Happy 10-Year Anniversary?get free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Wed Jul 22 02:35:52 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Wed Jul 22 02:37:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 Message-ID: <483165.12615.qm@web96010.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone,Have just started my new project... after working on numerous AMI, ?Wurlitzer and a 1957 Jensen I have decided to do up a Seeburg DS160 (complete with its little ear speakers, although one side has been bent) . The little lamps on the carriage are missing, these are the ones that light up the seeburg logo, the one above for record playing indicator is there..... any idea where i can get some new ones?Regards John From jhayes2613 at aol.com Wed Jul 22 04:15:44 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 22 04:24:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 In-Reply-To: <483165.12615.qm@web96010.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <483165.12615.qm@web96010.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBD8D4E42C3D9E-1110-2737@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> Congrats on the speakers! Amazing! -----Original Message----- From: John Wilson To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:35 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 Hi Everyone,Have just started my new project... after working on numerous AMI, ?Wurlitzer and a 1957 Jensen I have decided to do up a Seeburg DS160 (complete with its little ear speakers, although one side has been bent) . The little lamps on the carriage are missing, these are the ones that light up the seeburg logo, the one above for record playing indicator is there..... any idea where i can get some new ones?Regards John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed Jul 22 07:56:38 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Jul 22 08:03:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 In-Reply-To: <483165.12615.qm@web96010.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <483165.12615.qm@web96010.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi John, good luck with your new project. Coincidentally I asked this same question yesterday, and you will see Ron's reply. The little bulbs are available from Victory Glass. The only problem I found was that they were not as bright as some of the original bulbs, so there must be two wattages available. You'll probably find Victory's bulbs are fine for your needs. I have two DS160's, and obviously like them. I strongly suggest you plan on rebuilding the selection receiver: especially by changing the electrolytics and the 56k resistor. If you have the Dr Know It All Books, he goes into detail as to what should be done. Also check the prior postings on this list as I know it's been covered. Failure to rebuild the receiver could result in the power transformer being over heated due to a short (and the transformers are getting very hard and expensive to find!). Let us know how your rebuild progresses. These are very good sounding, reliable jukes and I'm sure you'll be pleased with the end results. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Wilson Sent: 2009, July, 22 5:36 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 Hi Everyone,Have just started my new project... after working on numerous AMI, ?Wurlitzer and a 1957 Jensen I have decided to do up a Seeburg DS160 (complete with its little ear speakers, although one side has been bent) . The little lamps on the carriage are missing, these are the ones that light up the seeburg logo, the one above for record playing indicator is there..... any idea where i can get some new ones?Regards John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 08:29:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jul 22 08:31:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 In-Reply-To: <483165.12615.qm@web96010.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <126780.48710.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Logo lamps are bi-pin #15's, "selection now playing lamp is # 12. If you wish, you can "update" the lamps to a much longer life # 19 by changing the resistors---should be available where ever mini lamps are sold--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 7/22/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 2:35 AM Hi Everyone,Have just started my new project... after working on numerous AMI, ?Wurlitzer and a 1957 Jensen I have decided to do up a Seeburg DS160 (complete with its little ear speakers, although one side has been bent) . The little lamps on the carriage are missing, these are the ones that light up the seeburg logo, the one above for record playing indicator is there...... any idea where i can get some new ones?Regards John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 22 11:00:47 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 22 11:03:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Title Strip Sheets & Software? Message-ID: <20090722.140047.28321.2@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hello Pat: I have a 2007 Brother MF-240C "4-in-one" machine that will allow an ext. feed for single sheet paper or will take a paper feed from the paper tray. I'm under the impression this is one of their better models. It is pretty fussy about taking thick paper stock and tends to jam if I try this. Thanks for your advice. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ BUGS? Target them with the best in Pest Control. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTYlRXNqWNvg6bZw6Z7uSbmkX8U9YFnaZGbvuyu2UWUKSaWHUS35G/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 22 11:09:45 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 22 11:12:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 Message-ID: <20090722.140945.28321.3@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: One of the most common problems that can lead to the burnout of a Tormat chassis power transformer is a shorted 6X4 rectifier tube. Some people, when renovating these jukes will go the trouble of installing an in-line fuse on the high voltage winding of the transformer, using an under-the-chassis fuse holder. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Want a great salary and great benefits? Click here for criminal justice career training. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXSsT2whIM9xAvxjXAk8HdxkIseJt42S7SPIbpP88dfHaz4ThUtkE/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 11:34:38 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jul 22 11:36:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 In-Reply-To: <20090722.140945.28321.3@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <360884.25061.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, To add to this--another cause that I have seen is the 5U4 tube in the AMPLIFIER. A shorted "heater" (filament) there will take out the transformer in the TSR/TSU/WSR instantly. I suggest a two amp fuse be added to this circuit, also. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 7/22/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 11:09 AM Gentlemen: One of the most common problems that can lead to the burnout of a Tormat chassis power transformer is a shorted 6X4 rectifier tube.???Some people, when renovating these jukes will go the trouble of installing an in-line fuse on the high voltage winding of the transformer, using an under-the-chassis fuse holder. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Want a great salary and great benefits?? Click here for criminal justice career training. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXSsT2whIM9xAvxjXAk8HdxkIseJt42S7SPIbpP88dfHaz4ThUtkE/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jul 22 12:07:46 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jul 22 12:09:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg DS160 Message-ID: Nice. Hopefully the mech is in good order. Just keep it lubed including the all important rear main shaft and clutch. Seeburgs well maintained rarely need any adjustments. They are complicated, but top of the heap. I thought the warmover of the previous AY was a mixed bag. The white skirt panel always seemed odd to me, but the upper speakers, a really nice addition. On that note, I also thought the checkerboard on the AY was odd/too busy, but I've grown accustomed to it on mine. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TXT_MLOGEN_Local_Local_Restaurants_1x1 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Jul 22 12:20:52 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Jul 22 12:22:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off again for a couple weeks (sort of off topic) Message-ID: Just when I'm having some time to participate again, I'm off to Ohio for a 20 year reunion of my drug and alcohol free teen group, America's Pride. Doubt I'll have much time to log on during the next couple weeks, but like to say it's been nice getting re-acquainted. I'll be back after August 3rd. The S AY160 looks like it's coming back to life pretty well, but I have a Seeburg SE100 coming up and I'm sure I'll have plenty of problems with that. It's fairly corroded. Have a great couple weeks. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009 From edisonproductions2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 12:30:51 2009 From: edisonproductions2 at gmail.com (justin sullivan) Date: Wed Jul 22 12:32:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Painting? In-Reply-To: <200907132341581.SM02092@192.168.1.206> References: <200907132341581.SM02092@192.168.1.206> Message-ID: thanks everyone for the warm welcome and information. i look forward to being part of the community.-Justin On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Justin, > I've restored dozens of the AMI F and G series jukes. Here's a link to a > post I made back in 2007 about flecking the cabinet for these guys. > > > http://webreports.netlojix.com/pipermail/jukebox-list/2007-February/026029.html > > I couldn't find the other post I made about the painting of the main > cabinet, but in short, I use a furniture grade paint made by Muralo - > furniture grade because it's made to be handled and/or touched with > regularity. I think Muralo paint is a division of Sherwin Williams but I'm > not sure. In my area, only actual paint stores sell it...the box stores have > no idea what it is. But in short, get a good quality paint. Dutch Boy is NOT > a good quality paint. I've used Baer from Home Depot in a pinch and it > worked out OK. > > After the cabinet is painted and flecked, I give it anywhere from 6-8 coats > of water-based polyurethene - lightly sanding between each coat. The cabinet > turns out looking like shiney plastic when it's done. > > Best of luck. > > Aaron > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mechanical Music of S. F. mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com > Sent 7/13/2009 5:04:07 PM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Painting? > > > Justin, be sure to put some primer down, The wood will hungrily absorb > paint. > I used an oil based paint and textured each coat with a foam brush. > > Oh, and in topics, try to use the Make and model. Manufacturers often b > uilt more than one model in any given year, and also, many of the membe > rs here can recall a model much easier by number, rather than the year. > It helps us help you. > Good example would be, and this one's close to both of us: > My AMI G was actually built in September or October of 1954 (Components are > all marked 9/54 in red grease pencil), so if I asked for an upper grill > for a '54 AMI, I'd most likely get one from an F, which won't fit a G. > No big deal at all, just something to help us help you. > > Several of us were just discussing how much we like the F and G models and > are owners, so you found a great resource. The F and G are relatively si > mple in their mechanicals and workings. A great simple jukebox for the begi > nner or an easy project for the more advanced... and they take well to crea > tive repaints. > > Here's a before and after of my G minus the mech cover. > I eventually got a red one from an F. > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20G120/G120BandA-1.jpg > > Have your mech cover. Treasure it. They're often missing, missing one or > both sides, or damaged badly. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. > > http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From edisonproductions2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 12:34:28 2009 From: edisonproductions2 at gmail.com (justin sullivan) Date: Wed Jul 22 13:45:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] front grille glass for Wurlitzer 3100 Americana? Message-ID: I gave a buddy of mine my old Wurlitzer 3100 Amerciana and of course as soon as he got up the driveway the rope snapped and smashed the front grille glass. Does anyone have a parts machine? Thanks for your time. -Justin From pinball at telus.net Wed Jul 22 14:18:15 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Jul 22 14:19:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] front grille glass for Wurlitzer 3100 Americana? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A678217.8060901@telus.net> justin sullivan wrote: > I gave a buddy of mine my old Wurlitzer 3100 Amerciana and of course as soon > as he got up the driveway the rope snapped and smashed the front grille > glass. > Does anyone have a parts machine? > > Thanks for your time. > -Justin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Hi Justin, Do you have a part number for the glass you need? I have some NOS glass still in stock for this vintage machine... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jul 22 15:18:49 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jul 22 15:21:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 Message-ID: <20090722.181849.19424.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> That's a great practical idea,and it's a good cheap insurance policy. There seems to be several sources that are offering original or new equivalent power transformers with values that closely fit the needs of this amp, so their prices are not as steep as having to find an original Tormat chassis transformer. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYW3CQrlJyex6FTfAkAiO7XKZHo18eX1ufzyh7sZkojxFdyciJp3M0/ From edisonproductions2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 17:05:40 2009 From: edisonproductions2 at gmail.com (justin sullivan) Date: Wed Jul 22 17:07:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] front grille glass for Wurlitzer 3100 Americana? In-Reply-To: <4A678217.8060901@telus.net> References: <4A678217.8060901@telus.net> Message-ID: no idea of the part number. it's the glass on the front grille that say WURLITZER.I'll try and find out a part number. Thank you. -J On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM, John Robertson wrote: > justin sullivan wrote: > >> I gave a buddy of mine my old Wurlitzer 3100 Amerciana and of course as >> soon >> as he got up the driveway the rope snapped and smashed the front grille >> glass. >> Does anyone have a parts machine? >> >> Thanks for your time. >> -Justin >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> > Hi Justin, > > Do you have a part number for the glass you need? I have some NOS glass > still in stock for this vintage machine... > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From digiovanni13 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 18:09:18 2009 From: digiovanni13 at yahoo.com (S.R. Boland) Date: Wed Jul 22 18:10:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Painting? Message-ID: <818846.20429.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Has anyone repainted an AMI F or G in black with the gold flecks? I've seen quite a few G's in black and I'm wondering how the gold flecks would be applied in a repaint job. S.R. "Boris" Boland --- On Wed, 7/22/09, justin sullivan wrote: > From: justin sullivan > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Painting? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 3:30 PM > thanks everyone for the warm welcome > and information. i look forward to > being part of the community.-Justin > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Aaron Heverin wrote: > > > Justin, > > I've restored dozens of the AMI F and G series jukes. > Here's a link to a > > post I made back in 2007 about flecking the cabinet > for these guys. > > > > > > http://webreports.netlojix.com/pipermail/jukebox-list/2007-February/026029.html > > > > I couldn't find the other post I made about the > painting of the main > > cabinet, but in short, I use a furniture grade paint > made by Muralo - > > furniture grade because it's made to be handled and/or > touched with > > regularity. I think Muralo paint is a division of > Sherwin Williams but I'm > > not sure. In my area, only actual paint stores sell > it...the box stores have > > no idea what it is. But in short, get a good quality > paint. Dutch Boy is NOT > > a good quality paint. I've used Baer from Home Depot > in a pinch and it > > worked out OK. > > > > After the cabinet is painted and flecked, I give it > anywhere from 6-8 coats > > of water-based polyurethene - lightly sanding between > each coat. The cabinet > > turns out looking like shiney plastic when it's done. > > > > Best of luck. > > > > Aaron > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mechanical Music of S. F. mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com > > Sent 7/13/2009 5:04:07 PM > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Painting? > > > > > > Justin, be sure to put some primer down, The wood will > hungrily absorb > > paint. > > I used an oil based paint and textured each coat with > a foam brush. > > > > Oh, and in topics, try to use the Make and model. > Manufacturers often b > > uilt more than one model in any given year, and also, > many of the membe > > rs here can recall a model much easier by number, > rather than the year. > > It helps us help you. > > Good example would be, and this one's close to both of > us: > > My AMI G was actually built in September or October of > 1954 (Components are > >? all marked 9/54 in red grease pencil), so if I > asked for an upper grill > > for a '54 AMI, I'd most likely get one from an F, > which won't fit a G. > > No big deal at all, just something to help us help > you. > > > > Several of us were just discussing how much we like > the F and G models and > > are owners, so you found a great resource. The F and G > are relatively si > > mple in their mechanicals and workings. A great simple > jukebox for the begi > > nner or an easy project for the more advanced... and > they take well to crea > > tive repaints. > > > > Here's a before and after of my G minus the mech > cover. > > I eventually got a red one from an F. > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20G120/G120BandA-1.jpg > > > > Have your mech cover. Treasure it. They're often > missing, missing one or > >? both sides, or damaged badly. > > > > Kyle ~ > > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online > storage. > > > > http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009_______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From edisonproductions2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 18:39:43 2009 From: edisonproductions2 at gmail.com (justin sullivan) Date: Wed Jul 22 18:41:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] front grille glass for Wurlitzer 3100 Americana? In-Reply-To: References: <4A678217.8060901@telus.net> Message-ID: I think I found the part number 128996 Glass, Americana.Thanks again. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:05 PM, justin sullivan < edisonproductions2@gmail.com> wrote: > no idea of the part number. it's the glass on the front grille that say > WURLITZER.I'll try and find out a part number. > Thank you. > -J > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM, John Robertson wrote: > >> justin sullivan wrote: >> >>> I gave a buddy of mine my old Wurlitzer 3100 Amerciana and of course as >>> soon >>> as he got up the driveway the rope snapped and smashed the front grille >>> glass. >>> Does anyone have a parts machine? >>> >>> Thanks for your time. >>> -Justin >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> >> Hi Justin, >> >> Do you have a part number for the glass you need? I have some NOS glass >> still in stock for this vintage machine... >> >> John :-#)# >> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip >> out" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Wed Jul 22 20:05:16 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Wed Jul 22 20:06:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] front grille glass for Wurlitzer 3100 Americana? References: Message-ID: Justin I think I have an NOS front glass for a 3100. I will check stock and let you know. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Jul 23 06:10:27 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Thu Jul 23 06:05:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Painting? Message-ID: <200907230910995.SM04000@[192.168.1.206]> I'm restoring a G-200 at the moment. It's black with the gold fleck...and really ugly IMHO. At first glance, I thought it was a hack-job repaint that a previous owner did until I took the entire cabinet apart and saw the gold fleck in areas where it would be impossible to fleck without removing some metal trim. Be that as it may, the new owner does not want it flecked in gold... so I'm going with a grey and red fleck... similar to how the F and G-120 series was flecked. However, I did investigate the possibility of re-flecking the cabinet in the gold "glitter". From what I could find, any local craft/fabric store such as Jo-Ann, Michaels or A.J. Moore (on this side of the pond) sells glitter in hundreds of different colors and various sizes and shapes. I found almost a dead match for the gold glitter. It was sold in a small tube. The problem was how to apply it to the jukebox cabinet. Using a 2 x 2 square piece of plywood, I painted the piece black then blowed the glitter on by first placing some on a piece of paper...standing back about 2 feet and blowing. Didn't work too good. Got more on the floor than on the plywood. Next, I tried to come with a contraption that shot the glitter out of a plastic straw that was attached to an air-brush barely forcing any air through it. It was better, but took an awfully long time... and I wound up with the glitter looking uneven. The best test was pouring some of the glitter into a container of high-gloss, water-based poly. Since I didn't want to trash my spray gun with this concoction, I brushed it on to another test piece. Believe it or not, this seemed to work... but it put the glitter on unevenly since it was impossible for me to keep the glitter suspended in the clear-coat without constantly stirring. More seemed to stick to the brush and not to the plywood. It's my understanding that AMI did a combination of both techniques. They poured the glitter into a clear-coat container that was constanly agitating to keep the glitter suspended. Then it was sprayed on the cabinets by a gun with a large tip at a specific air pressure. Unless something like this can be accomplished, the gold glitter is not going to be easy to apply. Again, it was worth the test.. but I still think it's ugly... so I'm using my tried and true method of flecking the cabinet by hand. Of course, you could always go with a gold metalic paint and fleck it on using the same method I described in an earlier post. A. From ccos at knology.net Thu Jul 23 06:37:46 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Columbus Coin-Op Shop) Date: Thu Jul 23 06:39:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Speaker Transformer Assy Message-ID: <002f01ca0b9a$c38ff0e0$4aafd2a0$@net> Hey All, I bought out an old operator here locally a couple weeks ago and am selling off a lot of old inventory, 99% of which is Rowe, but I came across a transformer assy that I can't identify. I'm not trying to sell it here on the list, but hoped someone might take a look at ebay # 390072563763 and help me identify it. I don't expect to get rich on this item, but would like to identify it so that it can go to someone who can use it. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jul 23 09:00:30 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jul 23 09:02:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Speaker Transformer Assy In-Reply-To: <002f01ca0b9a$c38ff0e0$4aafd2a0$@net> Message-ID: <850595.51978.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Karl, Check the # again--that's too many for Rowe--- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: From: Columbus Coin-Op Shop Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Speaker Transformer Assy To: "Jukebox List " Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 6:37 AM Hey All, I bought out an old operator here locally a couple weeks ago and am selling off a lot of old inventory, 99% of which is Rowe, but I came across a transformer assy that I can't identify.? I'm not trying to sell it here on the list, but hoped someone might take a look at ebay #? 390072563763 and help me identify it.? I don't expect to get rich on this item, but would like to identify it so that it can go to someone who can use it. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Thu Jul 23 09:01:30 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Jul 23 09:03:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Speaker Transformer Assy In-Reply-To: <002f01ca0b9a$c38ff0e0$4aafd2a0$@net> References: <002f01ca0b9a$c38ff0e0$4aafd2a0$@net> Message-ID: <4A68895A.5070806@telus.net> Hi Karl, It is not a Wurlitzer part - kinda leaves Rockola... John :-#)# Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: > Hey All, > > > > I bought out an old operator here locally a couple weeks ago and am selling > off a lot of old inventory, 99% of which is Rowe, but I came across a > transformer assy that I can't identify. I'm not trying to sell it here on > the list, but hoped someone might take a look at ebay # 390072563763 and > help me identify it. I don't expect to get rich on this item, but would > like to identify it so that it can go to someone who can use it. TIA, > > > > > > Karl > > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > > www.columbuscoinopshop.com > > 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd > > STE 18 > > Columbus, GA 31903 > > Shop: 706-507-2963 > > Cell: 706-442-4263 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From chuck at thevideobeat.com Thu Jul 23 15:06:21 2009 From: chuck at thevideobeat.com (chuck@thevideobeat.com) Date: Thu Jul 23 16:10:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <20090723190002.D22E2AAED5@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090723190002.D22E2AAED5@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <3F34C5FA78B84D3F959933BDF9BA4FF8@CHUCK> Hi, I will be getting my first jukebox soon. I will be loading it with 50s & 60s 45s. I'd like to have selection categoies like "Surf," "Garage," "Rhythm & Blues," "Hillbilly" etc., etc. I've seen pictures of jukeboxes with headings like, "Old Favorites," "Popular Tunes," etc. Is there a manufacturer that makes more spcialized category headings like I'm looking for? Or, is there a way to make them myself (but not have them look homemade)? Thank you very much. Chuck From jay at west.net Thu Jul 23 16:52:26 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Jul 23 16:54:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <3F34C5FA78B84D3F959933BDF9BA4FF8@CHUCK> References: <20090723190002.D22E2AAED5@lists.netlojix.com> <3F34C5FA78B84D3F959933BDF9BA4FF8@CHUCK> Message-ID: <4A68F7BA.80903@west.net> chuck@thevideobeat.com wrote: > I will be getting my first jukebox soon. I will be loading it with 50s & 60s 45s. I'd > like to have selection categoies like "Surf," "Garage," "Rhythm & Blues," "Hillbilly" > etc., etc. I've seen pictures of jukeboxes with headings like, "Old Favorites," "Popular > Tunes," etc. These are specific to the make/model of jukebox. The size, font, color, etc are standardized for each model. > Is there a manufacturer that makes more spcialized category headings like I'm looking for? > Or, is there a way to make them myself (but not have them look homemade)? Some are being reproduced, but typically only the more popular ones. for the most part they're reverse-printed silkscreen on plastic. A sign shop or silkscreen printer could make high-quality reproductions but the setup cost for one jukebox would likely be prohibitive. Another possibility for home-made short runs would be a word processing program output to a a color laser printer on transparency film as used for overhead projection. This will be clear with the printing on it in the appropriate color. Back this up with a white translucent piece of plastic and you should come out pretty close. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From digiovanni13 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 23 17:55:50 2009 From: digiovanni13 at yahoo.com (S.R. Boland) Date: Thu Jul 23 17:57:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Painting? Message-ID: <529692.60097.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Aaron, Thanks for the input. I guess I want to believe that a shiny NEW black paint job with the gold sparkle fleck would look good, but maybe not... The application of the gold fleck does sound like a difficult proposition, though. S.R. "Boris" Boland --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > From: Aaron Heverin > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Painting? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 9:10 AM > I'm restoring a G-200 at the moment. > It's black with the gold fleck...and really ugly IMHO. At > first glance, I thought it was a hack-job repaint that a > previous owner did until I took the entire cabinet apart and > saw the gold fleck in areas where it would be impossible to > fleck without removing some metal trim. > > Be that as it may, the new owner does not want it flecked > in gold... so I'm going with a grey and red fleck... similar > to how the F and G-120 series was flecked. However, I did > investigate the possibility of re-flecking the cabinet in > the gold "glitter". From what I could find, any local > craft/fabric store such as Jo-Ann, Michaels or A.J. Moore > (on this side of the pond) sells glitter in hundreds of > different colors and various sizes and shapes. I found > almost a dead match for the gold glitter. It was sold in a > small tube. The problem was how to apply it to the jukebox > cabinet. > > Using a 2 x 2 square piece of plywood, I painted the piece > black then blowed the glitter on by first placing some on a > piece of paper...standing back about 2 feet and blowing. > Didn't work too good. Got more on the floor than on the > plywood. > > Next, I tried to come with a contraption that shot the > glitter out of a plastic straw that was attached to an > air-brush barely forcing any air through it. It was better, > but took an awfully long time... and I wound up with the > glitter looking uneven. > > The best test was pouring some of the glitter into a > container of high-gloss, water-based poly. Since I didn't > want to trash my spray gun with this concoction, I brushed > it on to another test piece. Believe it or not, this seemed > to work... but it put the glitter on unevenly since it was > impossible for me to keep the glitter suspended in the > clear-coat without constantly stirring. More seemed to stick > to the brush and not to the plywood. > > It's my understanding that AMI did a combination of both > techniques. They poured the glitter into a clear-coat > container that was constanly agitating to keep the glitter > suspended. Then it was sprayed on the cabinets by a gun with > a large tip at a specific air pressure. Unless something > like this can be accomplished, the gold glitter is not going > to be easy to apply. > > Again, it was worth the test.. but I still think it's > ugly... so I'm using my tried and true method of flecking > the cabinet by hand. Of course, you could always go with a > gold metalic paint and fleck it on using the same method I > described in an earlier post. > > > A. > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 18:46:38 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Thu Jul 23 18:56:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Speaker Transformer Assy In-Reply-To: <4A68895A.5070806@telus.net> References: <002f01ca0b9a$c38ff0e0$4aafd2a0$@net> <4A68895A.5070806@telus.net> Message-ID: I agree, that is a Rockola part #, but I don't know for what model... (and it doesn't even look familiar to give an estimate as to what years it might cover) Thomas On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:01 AM, John Robertson wrote: > Hi Karl, > > It is not a Wurlitzer part - kinda leaves Rockola... > > John :-#)# > > > Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: > >> Hey All, >> >> >> I bought out an old operator here locally a couple weeks ago and am >> selling >> off a lot of old inventory, 99% of which is Rowe, but I came across a >> transformer assy that I can't identify. I'm not trying to sell it here on >> the list, but hoped someone might take a look at ebay # 390072563763 and >> help me identify it. I don't expect to get rich on this item, but would >> like to identify it so that it can go to someone who can use it. TIA, >> >> >> >> Karl >> >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> >> www.columbuscoinopshop.com >> >> 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd >> >> STE 18 >> >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> >> Shop: 706-507-2963 >> >> Cell: 706-442-4263 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> > > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From ccos at knology.net Thu Jul 23 22:19:39 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Thu Jul 23 22:21:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Speaker Transformer Assy In-Reply-To: References: <002f01ca0b9a$c38ff0e0$4aafd2a0$@net> <4A68895A.5070806@telus.net> Message-ID: Thanks guys, for taking the time to look and answer, The operator I bought out has run nothing but Rowes for 30 years or more and I know what 99% of what I bought goes to, but this one has me stumped. Sometimes ebay members will be kind enough to chime in with the answer, but none so far. I'll let everyone know if I find out what it is. Thanks, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Teeter" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Speaker Transformer Assy >I agree, that is a Rockola part #, but I don't know for what model... (and > it doesn't even look familiar to give an estimate as to what years it > might > cover) > > Thomas > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:01 AM, John Robertson > wrote: > >> Hi Karl, >> >> It is not a Wurlitzer part - kinda leaves Rockola... >> >> John :-#)# >> >> >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: >> >>> Hey All, >>> >>> >>> I bought out an old operator here locally a couple weeks ago and am >>> selling >>> off a lot of old inventory, 99% of which is Rowe, but I came across a >>> transformer assy that I can't identify. I'm not trying to sell it here >>> on >>> the list, but hoped someone might take a look at ebay # 390072563763 >>> and >>> help me identify it. I don't expect to get rich on this item, but would >>> like to identify it so that it can go to someone who can use it. TIA, >>> >>> >>> >>> Karl >>> >>> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >>> >>> www.columbuscoinopshop.com >>> >>> 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd >>> >>> STE 18 >>> >>> Columbus, GA 31903 >>> >>> Shop: 706-507-2963 >>> >>> Cell: 706-442-4263 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip >> out" >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Fri Jul 24 04:40:35 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Fri Jul 24 04:49:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Speaker Transformer Assy In-Reply-To: <002f01ca0b9a$c38ff0e0$4aafd2a0$@net> References: <002f01ca0b9a$c38ff0e0$4aafd2a0$@net> Message-ID: <873371.11484.qm@web86712.mail.ird.yahoo.com> That is a Rock-Ola speaker distribution unit from a 60s' transistor amp. machine. I think it's most likely to be from a 433 - but sod's law, I have service manuals for 432 and 434 (both of which had valve amps) but not the 433. Norman. ________________________________ From: Columbus Coin-Op Shop To: Jukebox List Sent: Thursday, 23 July, 2009 2:37:46 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Speaker Transformer Assy Hey All, I bought out an old operator here locally a couple weeks ago and am selling off a lot of old inventory, 99% of which is Rowe, but I came across a transformer assy that I can't identify. I'm not trying to sell it here on the list, but hoped someone might take a look at ebay # 390072563763 and help me identify it. I don't expect to get rich on this item, but would like to identify it so that it can go to someone who can use it. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 06:33:00 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Jul 24 06:34:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <3F34C5FA78B84D3F959933BDF9BA4FF8@CHUCK> Message-ID: <35252.30456.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 7/23/09, chuck@thevideobeat.com wrote: > I will be getting my first jukebox soon. I will be > loading it with 50s & 60s 45s. I'd > like to have selection categoies like "Surf," "Garage," > "Rhythm & Blues," "Hillbilly" > etc., etc. I've seen pictures of jukeboxes with > headings like, "Old Favorites," "Popular Tunes," etc. One thing to conisider is that when you segregate your music that way, the machine ends up playing all the selections of one genre, then all the selections of the next genre, etc. If someone wrote a radio station playlist like that, he'd be fired. :-) Unless you are doing a complete restoration and want to include original category headings for historic accuracy, you might end up sacrificing good programming for the novelty of having more modern music categories. From chuck at thevideobeat.com Fri Jul 24 07:02:27 2009 From: chuck at thevideobeat.com (chuck@thevideobeat.com) Date: Fri Jul 24 07:04:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <35252.30456.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3F34C5FA78B84D3F959933BDF9BA4FF8@CHUCK> <35252.30456.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95DE365A39674EA09790817CB1E5584B@CHUCK> Not to be argumentative, buy your analogy is not correct. That's like saying the menu at diner is not programmed correctly because you'd have to eat all the burgers and sandwiches before you could order a salad. Records can be played in any order I (or my guests) want. BTW - "Surf," "Garage," "Rhythm & Blues" and "Hillbilly" aren't modern; they're from the 40s, 50s, & 60s. I'm not as concerned about jukebox historical accuracy -- I'm a record collector/music lover - I'm more concerned about having a bitchin record machine to play my 45s on. Is there anyone, or company, that repros the song category headings for an M100C and maybe creates specialty headings? Any help will be sincerely appreciated. Thank you, Chuck -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman [mailto:david_breneman@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 09:33 AM To: chuck@thevideobeat.com; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips --- On Thu, 7/23/09, chuck@thevideobeat.com wrote: > I will be getting my first jukebox soon. I will be > loading it with 50s & 60s 45s. I'd > like to have selection categoies like "Surf," "Garage," > "Rhythm & Blues," "Hillbilly" > etc., etc. I've seen pictures of jukeboxes with > headings like, "Old Favorites," "Popular Tunes," etc. One thing to conisider is that when you segregate your music that way, the machine ends up playing all the selections of one genre, then all the selections of the next genre, etc. If someone wrote a radio station playlist like that, he'd be fired. :-) Unless you are doing a complete restoration and want to include original category headings for historic accuracy, you might end up sacrificing good programming for the novelty of having more modern music categories. From aaron at vertasource.com Fri Jul 24 07:27:17 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Fri Jul 24 07:22:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips Message-ID: <200907241027432.SM03544@[192.168.1.206]> Patrick at A-1 jukebox has them. I would imagine VG does too. Incidently, David's assumption is actually 100% correct based on how a jukebox selects records. I have an M100C and it, like all jukeboxes, selects records in a chronological order. In other words, if you select A1, B7, D9, A3, E3, J1, B1, and A9... it's not going to play the records in the order you select them. It's going to scan from left to right, playing all the As first, then the Bs and so on. So if you have all of your genres grouped together - which there is NOTHING wrong with at all - you'll hear them played back as a sequential group. This is really a problem when you add Christmas records to the juke and keep them all together in the rack rather than spread around. I'll explain... I sold a friend an F-120... this being his first forray into jukeboxes. He didn't know that the F did NOT play records in the order you select, so he put all of his Christmas tunes in the first 20 slots of the juke. When he started making selections, he couldn't understand why the juke was playing ALL Christmas tunes then eventually got around to playing his Beach Boys and Beatles records. It was pretty funny.. but the beauty of having a juke play all your favorite 45s is that you can mix them up and hear a new playlist every time you press some buttons. I put the correct record designations in every jukebox... but I rarely keep the records organized by genre. I did for a while... when I got my first juke. But then I got tired of hearing ALL country songs before I got to Elvis or Joe Turner. By the way, who the heck has "Classical" 45s??? And that, my friends.. is my two shillings for the day. Aaron From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jul 24 07:33:00 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jul 24 07:36:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips Message-ID: <20090724.103300.9876.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Chuck: Jukebox hobby supply house Victory Glass (web: www.victoryglass.com) replicates a lot of the 50's Seeburg signage, including the song classifications. I don't know if they are in a position to make custom title designations on mylar or not. If they don't you can probably have it done at places that offer quick signage. To weigh in on your discussion re: grouping of music types in your juke---- A disadvantage you will have if you group all your similar type songs together in a classic juke---- The machine will search for and play all the songs in the mechanical order they are found. It won't make a difference how you wrote in the selections to be played or mixed up song genres on the keyboard. For instance, if you make the letter A and B numbers your garage rock section, all odd-number (A1,A3,A5,etc) songs will play in that order. It was not until the late 70's when most vinyl jukeboxes became fully computerized, that the machines will play their selections in the order they were written in. This function is called first in--first out. Seeburg jukeboxes, beginning in the mid 50's going forward used an electronic selection system called the Tormat. Tormat scanned/played songs in mechanical order. The Seeburg M100C is not a Tormat equipped model. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get noticed with fresh and effective signs. Click for indoor and outdoor options. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbIiBq1K37Giu2Ik186d5LIgUiMaidbR5ZLjEFvuI1AfbC69cmx9G/ From steve at pro-ns.net Fri Jul 24 08:51:19 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Fri Jul 24 08:53:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <200907241027432.SM03544@[192.168.1.206]> References: <200907241027432.SM03544@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <20090724155119.GE10588@pro-ns.net> Putting the most topic related portion of my reply up top: > I put the correct record designations in every jukebox... but I rarely > keep the records organized by genre. I did for a while... when I got my > first juke. But then I got tired of hearing ALL country songs before I got > to Elvis or Joe Turner. At Christmas time, I do keep all the Christmas records on one side of the jukebox, with "CHRISTMAS MUSIC" strips in the selection category heading slots. The other half of the records hardly get selected at the time, anyway, so clumping of genre is not a problem. I created the strips by simply matching the font on the one category heading strip that came with the jukebox (as I recall, a narrow helvetica like font, all in caps), choosing green for color (over the original's blue) because it's a christmas color, and printing it on paper and cutting to size. This is in a Wurlitzer 2410, where the category strips aren't back lit, so that helps make it easy. If you want to utilize the category slots without the problem of "genre clumping" when the songs play back, you could make up general categories like "FAVORITES" and "OLDIES" and "HITS" that are mostly meaningless. Arron, did any of the AMI F/G's you've dealt with have the triangle category stickers next to the title strips? On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 02:27:17PM +0000, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Patrick at A-1 jukebox has them. I would imagine VG does too. > > Incidently, David's assumption is actually 100% correct based on how a > jukebox selects records. I have an M100C and it, like all jukeboxes, > selects records in a chronological order. I think chronological (in order by time) is probably the wrong word to use there. If jukes did play selections in the order the selections were made, that *might* be consided chronological, related to the time they were selected. Or, if you order the records in the jukebox from the oldest to the newest, and have a juke that plays the B sides while traveling in the same direction as the A sides, then it might be considered chronological, order by the age of the record. I don't know what to suggest as a substitute, maybe "mechanical order"? > .. but the beauty of having a juke > play all your favorite 45s is that you can mix them up and hear a new > playlist every time you press some buttons. I realize there's probably a limited number of folks here this applies to, but I often find myself wishing that my iPod and/or music playing software on my computer (itunes, xmms, etc.) had a "jukebox mode" that would add a selection to the list of songs to be played, and drop the songs off the list after playing. As it is, they either move to the song you select immediately, or make you create a playlist ahead of time. (Maybe you can add to an on-the-go playlist on an ipod while the playlist is playing? I don't think I've tried that.) > By the way, who the heck has "Classical" 45s??? I do! I have my grandfather's RCA 9JY, which as I understand it was the first generation of 45 players, and some of his records, which includes some clasical albums -- here album really means a boxed set of records. However, the closest I've come to putting any classical in a jukebox would be an Arthur Feidler / Boston Pops christams record (worked nicely in the rightmost slot of my AMI F-120, where the B side is played right after the A side). --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net /* Halley */ (Halley's comment.) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 08:58:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jul 24 09:00:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <200907241027432.SM03544@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <437779.82513.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I have always been curious about the classification heading strips. I still operate a Seeburg M100B on location in an Italian Ristorante here. It has 12 Wallboxes on it also, but the main JB is right at the front door, in the waiting area. A few years ago, I searched out a bunch of "oddball" headings and installed them in the juke. There were such things as "Race"? "Jewish", "Greek" , "Spanish", (and of course "Country & Western")? in different colors listed. I left them for a month and moved them around to different spots. Did this for about three months. NO ONE, including he owner ( who does the programming of the records, and does play the music), ever noticed this-- I asked him ! Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 7:27 AM Patrick at A-1 jukebox has them. I would imagine VG does too. Incidently, David's assumption is actually 100% correct based on how a jukebox selects records. I have an M100C and it, like all jukeboxes, selects records in a chronological order. In other words, if you select A1, B7, D9, A3, E3, J1, B1, and A9... it's not going to play the records in the order you select them. It's going to scan from left to right, playing all the As first, then the Bs and so on. So if you have all of your genres grouped together - which there is NOTHING wrong with at all - you'll hear them played back as a sequential group. This is really a problem when you add Christmas records to the juke and keep them all together in the rack rather than spread around. I'll explain... I sold a friend an F-120... this being his first forray into jukeboxes. He didn't know that the F did NOT play records in the order you select, so he put all of his Christmas tunes in the first 20 slots of the juke. When he started making selections, he couldn't understand why the juke was playing ALL Christmas tunes then eventually got around to playing his Beach Boys and Beatles records. It was pretty funny.. but the beauty of having a juke play all your favorite 45s is that you can mix them up and hear a new playlist every time you press some buttons. I put the correct record designations in every jukebox... but I rarely keep the records organized by genre. I did for a while... when I got my first juke. But then I got tired of hearing ALL country songs before I got to Elvis or Joe Turner. By the way, who the heck has "Classical" 45s??? And that, my friends.. is my two shillings for the day. Aaron -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Fri Jul 24 09:17:23 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jul 24 09:19:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Speaker Transformer Assy In-Reply-To: References: <002f01ca0b9a$c38ff0e0$4aafd2a0$@net> <4A68895A.5070806@telus.net> Message-ID: <4A69DE93.7000609@west.net> Thomas Teeter wrote: > I agree, that is a Rockola part #, but I don't know for what model... (and > it doesn't even look familiar to give an estimate as to what years it might > cover) The connectors are AMP Mate-N-Lock, and the pointer knobs seem to be maroon color. I'd put it around the Princess 1493 era, early 1960s. These add-on speaker networks with a pair of transformers were typically seen in the early stereo jukes of that era. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Fri Jul 24 09:46:56 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jul 24 09:48:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <95DE365A39674EA09790817CB1E5584B@CHUCK> References: <3F34C5FA78B84D3F959933BDF9BA4FF8@CHUCK> <35252.30456.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <95DE365A39674EA09790817CB1E5584B@CHUCK> Message-ID: <4A69E580.8010206@west.net> chuck@thevideobeat.com wrote: > Not to be argumentative, buy your analogy is not correct. That's like saying the menu at > diner is not programmed correctly because you'd have to eat all the burgers and sandwiches > before you could order a salad. Records can be played in any order I (or my guests) want. Yes and no... At least until CD jukes came along the selection memory is based on the order in which the mechanism scans and not on the order in which selections are made. Generally this is linear, with some exceptions. Pinbank Seeburgs and early Tormat Seeburgs scan the odd selections in order and then the even selections in reverse order. Later Tormat Seeburgs scan in order. Wurlitzers scan in order but even selections 180 degrees away on the carousel will be interleaved with odd selections. If you make one selection, wait for it to play, and then make another you can control the order. > Is there anyone, or company, that repros the song category headings for an M100C and maybe > creates specialty headings? Any help will be sincerely appreciated. An M100C specifically will play odd selections ascending A1 -> K9 and then even selections K10 -> A2, then repeat. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Fri Jul 24 09:51:35 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Fri Jul 24 09:59:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Speaker Transformer Assy In-Reply-To: <4A69DE93.7000609@west.net> References: <002f01ca0b9a$c38ff0e0$4aafd2a0$@net> <4A68895A.5070806@telus.net> <4A69DE93.7000609@west.net> Message-ID: <921128.39574.qm@web86705.mail.ird.yahoo.com> These add-on speaker networks were only used with the Rock-Ola transistor amplifiers, I am sure of that; the valve (or tube as you chaps say!) amplifiers had the transformers on the amp chassis. I think that this is it at the bottom of this diagram - http://arcarc.xmission.com/PDF_Jukebox/Rockola/Schematics/433a.pdf Norman. ________________________________ From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Friday, 24 July, 2009 5:17:23 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Speaker Transformer Assy Thomas Teeter wrote: > I agree, that is a Rockola part #, but I don't know for what model... (and > it doesn't even look familiar to give an estimate as to what years it might > cover) The connectors are AMP Mate-N-Lock, and the pointer knobs seem to be maroon color. I'd put it around the Princess 1493 era, early 1960s. These add-on speaker networks with a pair of transformers were typically seen in the early stereo jukes of that era. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johntrav at windstream.net Fri Jul 24 09:14:12 2009 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Fri Jul 24 10:18:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips References: <20090723190002.D22E2AAED5@lists.netlojix.com> <3F34C5FA78B84D3F959933BDF9BA4FF8@CHUCK> Message-ID: <0AD39191B43F46B998E172AD61CC3B5E@JOHNTRAV> There is a free website that offers blank titlestrips in different colors and catagories. The address is www.members.nl/roosmarco/documenten/titlestripmisc.doc . If I don't have the address exactly right, maybe someone on the list can correct it for me. John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips > Hi, > > > > I will be getting my first jukebox soon. I will be loading it with 50s & > 60s 45s. I'd > like to have selection categoies like "Surf," "Garage," "Rhythm & Blues," > "Hillbilly" > etc., etc. I've seen pictures of jukeboxes with headings like, "Old > Favorites," "Popular > Tunes," etc. > > > > Is there a manufacturer that makes more spcialized category headings like > I'm looking for? > Or, is there a way to make them myself (but not have them look homemade)? > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 11:48:20 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jul 24 11:50:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <4A69E580.8010206@west.net> Message-ID: <565982.3261.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well, sorta no and yes-- Rowe AMi's were switch settable for random/FIFO for about ten years, or more, prior to CD's--Seeburg "investigated" doing that in the mid 60's and decided that the cost was not worth doing, and that if "FIFO", the juke could be "dominated" by one person, and revenue was lowered. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 9:46 AM chuck@thevideobeat.com wrote: > Not to be argumentative, buy your analogy is not correct.? That's like saying the menu at > diner is not programmed correctly because you'd have to eat all the burgers and sandwiches > before you could order a salad.? Records can be played in any order I (or my guests) want. Yes and no... At least until CD jukes came along the selection memory is based on the order in which the mechanism scans and not on the order in which selections are made.? Generally this is linear, with some exceptions. Pinbank Seeburgs and early Tormat Seeburgs scan the odd selections in order and then the even selections in reverse order.? Later Tormat Seeburgs scan in order.? Wurlitzers scan in order but even selections 180 degrees away on the carousel will be interleaved with odd selections. If you make one selection, wait for it to play, and then make another you can control the order. > Is there anyone, or company, that repros the song category headings for an M100C and maybe > creates specialty headings?? Any help will be sincerely appreciated. An M100C specifically will play odd selections ascending A1 -> K9 and then even selections K10 -> A2, then repeat. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chuck at thevideobeat.com Fri Jul 24 11:03:57 2009 From: chuck at thevideobeat.com (chuck@thevideobeat.com) Date: Fri Jul 24 12:07:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <20090724.103300.9876.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090724.103300.9876.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <80EB101697614FF6B71024959400C3D5@CHUCK> Jim, Thanks for the clarification. I've seen Tormat discussed but didn't know its function. Thanks to all who have provided tips re: A-1 jukebox, Victory Glass and the idea of going to a signage shop. Good idea! Thank you, Chuck _____ From: James Alexander [mailto:jalexandercc@netzero.net] Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:33 AM To: chuck@thevideobeat.com; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips Chuck: Jukebox hobby supply house Victory Glass (web: www.victoryglass.com) replicates a lot of the 50's Seeburg signage, including the song classifications. I don't know if they are in a position to make custom title designations on mylar or not. If they don't you can probably have it done at places that offer quick signage. To weigh in on your discussion re: grouping of music types in your juke---- A disadvantage you will have if you group all your similar type songs together in a classic juke---- The machine will search for and play all the songs in the mechanical order they are found. It won't make a difference how you wrote in the selections to be played or mixed up song genres on the keyboard. For instance, if you make the letter A and B numbers your garage rock section, all odd-number (A1,A3,A5,etc) songs will play in that order. It was not until the late 70's when most vinyl jukeboxes became fully computerized, that the machines will play their selections in the order they were written in. This function is called first in--first out. Seeburg jukeboxes, beginning in the mid 50's going forward used an electronic selection system called the Tormat. Tormat scanned/played songs in mechanical order. The Seeburg M100C is not a Tormat equipped model. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get noticed with fresh and effective signs. Click for indoor and outdoor options. From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 12:54:22 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Jul 24 12:56:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <565982.3261.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4A69E580.8010206@west.net> <565982.3261.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The Rowe option (at least for models R84-R94) is actually "as selected" or "standard" (meaning in the order the mechanism normally scans). True "random" play wasn't an option until the CD-100 came out. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Well, sorta no and yes-- > Rowe AMi's were switch settable for random/FIFO for about ten years, or > more, prior to CD's--Seeburg "investigated" doing that in the mid 60's and > decided that the cost was not worth doing, and that if "FIFO", the juke > could be "dominated" by one person, and revenue was lowered. Ron Rich > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 13:01:14 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jul 24 13:02:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <697873.51458.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You are correct-- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:54 PM The Rowe option (at least for models R84-R94) is actually "as selected" or "standard" (meaning in the order the mechanism normally scans). True "random" play wasn't an option until the CD-100 came out. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Well, sorta no and yes-- > Rowe AMi's were switch settable for random/FIFO for about ten years, or > more, prior to CD's--Seeburg "investigated" doing that in the mid 60's and > decided that the cost was not worth doing, and that if "FIFO", the juke > could be "dominated" by one person, and revenue was lowered. Ron Rich > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Fri Jul 24 14:05:32 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Fri Jul 24 14:07:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <697873.51458.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <697873.51458.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004801ca0ca2$7b6bd460$72437d20$@force9.co.uk> You could also get random on the Rowes as well. B sides only though! Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 24 July 2009 21:01 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips You are correct-- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:54 PM The Rowe option (at least for models R84-R94) is actually "as selected" or "standard" (meaning in the order the mechanism normally scans). True "random" play wasn't an option until the CD-100 came out. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Well, sorta no and yes-- > Rowe AMi's were switch settable for random/FIFO for about ten years, or > more, prior to CD's--Seeburg "investigated" doing that in the mid 60's and > decided that the cost was not worth doing, and that if "FIFO", the juke > could be "dominated" by one person, and revenue was lowered. Ron Rich > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Fri Jul 24 16:01:50 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 24 16:14:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] FS:Seeburg PFEA1U cabinet parts or whole cabinet CHEAP Message-ID: I'm getting tired of this PFEA1U cabinet in my way. The mechanism and electronics have been taken out though parts of the mech(in pieces) and the electronics and coin gear are available if anybody wants them.The amp needs repair. One channel is distorted.Has the volume motor on it. I'll sell the parts CHEAP or if you're local to Maryland you can pick up the whole thing. Everything cosmetic is there except the plastics and back door. Cabinet has some chips in the formica at the bottom but solid and restoreable.If no one claims the whole thing I'll strip it and take it to the dump. Ebay is too much trouble for something like this with their fees.The parts for these 60s Seeburgs just go too low or get no bids and you gotta pay for listing it anyway. Thanks, J.C. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377105x1201454426/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 16:34:10 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jul 24 16:35:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <004801ca0ca2$7b6bd460$72437d20$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <186136.49050.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yea--didn't they call that "continuous play" ? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:05 PM You could also get random on the Rowes as well. B sides only though! Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 24 July 2009 21:01 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips You are correct-- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:54 PM The Rowe option (at least for models R84-R94) is actually "as selected" or "standard" (meaning in the order the mechanism normally scans). True "random" play wasn't an option until the CD-100 came out. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Well, sorta no and yes-- > Rowe AMi's were switch settable for random/FIFO for about ten years, or > more, prior to CD's--Seeburg "investigated" doing that in the mid 60's and > decided that the cost was not worth doing, and that if "FIFO", the juke > could be "dominated" by one person, and revenue was lowered. Ron Rich > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Glmotorhead at aol.com Fri Jul 24 09:51:12 2009 From: Glmotorhead at aol.com (Glmotorhead@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 24 17:07:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] HF100G needle replacement/audio issues Message-ID: Jay, I have several hundred stereo needles in the boxes( never been used) that I'm going to sell. Many are diamond tip and the others say synthetic on the boxes. These are leftover inventory from an electronics repair place. Some of the boxes have never been opened. Any offers?$ All have serial #s, etc. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377105x1201454426/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) From info at thevideobeat.com Fri Jul 24 12:20:27 2009 From: info at thevideobeat.com (The VIDEO BEAT!) Date: Fri Jul 24 17:07:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <4A68F7BA.80903@west.net> References: <20090723190002.D22E2AAED5@lists.netlojix.com><3F34C5FA78B84D3F959933BDF9BA4FF8@CHUCK> <4A68F7BA.80903@west.net> Message-ID: <4458A601D50A43FFB4A06AD6C2F0476D@CHUCK> Sweet! Thank you very much for the info! Thank you, Chuck    -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan [mailto:jay@west.net] Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 07:52 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips chuck@thevideobeat.com wrote: > I will be getting my first jukebox soon. I will be loading it with 50s & 60s 45s. I'd > like to have selection categoies like "Surf," "Garage," "Rhythm & Blues," "Hillbilly" > etc., etc. I've seen pictures of jukeboxes with headings like, "Old Favorites," "Popular > Tunes," etc. These are specific to the make/model of jukebox. The size, font, color, etc are standardized for each model. > Is there a manufacturer that makes more spcialized category headings like I'm looking for? > Or, is there a way to make them myself (but not have them look homemade)? Some are being reproduced, but typically only the more popular ones. for the most part they're reverse-printed silkscreen on plastic. A sign shop or silkscreen printer could make high-quality reproductions but the setup cost for one jukebox would likely be prohibitive. Another possibility for home-made short runs would be a word processing program output to a a color laser printer on transparency film as used for overhead projection. This will be clear with the printing on it in the appropriate color. Back this up with a white translucent piece of plastic and you should come out pretty close. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From normanwohl at aol.com Thu Jul 23 16:24:56 2009 From: normanwohl at aol.com (normanwohl@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 24 17:07:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Buzzing Message-ID: <1744610768-1248391457-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-67696419-@bxe1178.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I have a seeburg R which has trouble establishing. If I press the button on the ccu it buzzes and sometimes establishes credit. I can't get it to establish credit on coin. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Fri Jul 24 17:06:27 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Bob) Date: Fri Jul 24 17:08:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips References: <186136.49050.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The last series rowes you can choose a or b sides or both sides. I don't have to worry about a mixed playlist as I like both kinds of music - country and western !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 7:34 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips Yea--didn't they call that "continuous play" ? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:05 PM You could also get random on the Rowes as well. B sides only though! Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 24 July 2009 21:01 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips You are correct-- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:54 PM The Rowe option (at least for models R84-R94) is actually "as selected" or "standard" (meaning in the order the mechanism normally scans). True "random" play wasn't an option until the CD-100 came out. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Well, sorta no and yes-- > Rowe AMi's were switch settable for random/FIFO for about ten years, or > more, prior to CD's--Seeburg "investigated" doing that in the mid 60's and > decided that the cost was not worth doing, and that if "FIFO", the juke > could be "dominated" by one person, and revenue was lowered. Ron Rich > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 18:45:02 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Jul 24 18:46:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <95DE365A39674EA09790817CB1E5584B@CHUCK> Message-ID: <889986.53414.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 7/24/09, chuck@thevideobeat.com wrote: > Not to be argumentative, buy your analogy is not correct. > That's like saying > the menu at diner is not programmed correctly because > you'd have to eat all the > burgers and sandwiches before you could order a > salad. Records can be played in any order I (or my guests) want. The records on most jukeboxes, and all jukeboxes of the era this question covered, are played in the order that they apear in the record rack. You aren't compelled to play every selection in every category (as your analogy suggests), but the machine will play all the selections that have been made in one category (that is, one section of the record rack) before it moves on to another. Is this not true? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 18:48:42 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Jul 24 18:50:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <200907241027432.SM03544@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <694517.5695.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > By the way, who the heck has > "Classical" 45s??? I've got some from the Boston Pops. During the "speed wars" of the 1950s a lot of classical material was released on 45. How much of it proved to me a money-making proposition for the operator is an exercise that will be left to the student. :-) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 19:51:45 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jul 24 19:53:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Buzzing In-Reply-To: <1744610768-1248391457-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-67696419-@bxe1178.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <724052.94317.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Norman, You are going to need to clarify that somewhat--is it constantly "buzzing" (If so, turn it off NOW, as it may catch fire !) ?? What is "it"--the CCU or something else ?? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 7/23/09, normanwohl@aol.com wrote: From: normanwohl@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Buzzing To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 4:24 PM I have a seeburg R which has trouble establishing. If I press the button on the ccu it buzzes and sometimes establishes credit. I can't get it to establish credit on coin. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Fri Jul 24 20:17:16 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jul 24 20:18:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Buzzing In-Reply-To: <1744610768-1248391457-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-67696419-@bxe1178.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1744610768-1248391457-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-67696419-@bxe1178.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4A6A793C.1080702@west.net> normanwohl@aol.com wrote: > I have a seeburg R which has trouble establishing. If I press the button on the ccu it buzzes and sometimes establishes credit. I can't get it to establish credit on coin. Take the cover off of the CCU. There is a wheel with six over-center springs. Verify that the springs are directly over the coils energized by the coin relays and that the wheel moves freely when actuated by the solenoid when a selection is made. It is normal for the coil to buzz when you push the credit button on top of the CCU. a brief tap should be all that it needs, don't hold it down as those coils aren't designed to be energized continuously. Inspect the coils under the wheel, do they energize when a coin is dropped through the rejector? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Sat Jul 25 01:05:58 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Sat Jul 25 01:07:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 In-Reply-To: <360884.25061.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <818353.35644.qm@web96010.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone,Have fired up the DS160 juke less amplifier (which will need recapping etc plus a general clean out of spiders etc. ) Lubed and cleaned the mech etc. waiting on new stylus to arrive from US. Also managed to locate new side panels for the Juke (someone had covered the original with wood veneer)... lots of buffing and polishing to do but at least she lives.?Will post a link to some pic's soon.... Regards from NewZealand --- On Thu, 23/7/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 6:34 AM Hi All, To add to this--another cause that I have seen is the 5U4 tube in the AMPLIFIER. A shorted "heater" (filament) there will take out the transformer in the TSR/TSU/WSR instantly. I suggest a two amp fuse be added to this circuit, also. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 7/22/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 11:09 AM Gentlemen: One of the most common problems that can lead to the burnout of a Tormat chassis power transformer is a shorted 6X4 rectifier tube.???Some people, when renovating these jukes will go the trouble of installing an in-line fuse on the high voltage winding of the transformer, using an under-the-chassis fuse holder. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Want a great salary and great benefits?? Click here for criminal justice career training. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXSsT2whIM9xAvxjXAk8HdxkIseJt42S7SPIbpP88dfHaz4ThUtkE/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 25 13:44:25 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sat Jul 25 13:46:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Electro-Mechanical Pinbank Flexible Wire Message-ID: <115979.38820.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, What would be a good replacement for the insulated wire going to the letter coils inside the Seeburg pinbanks? Durability and flexibility would seem critical. Thank You as always! David (in the Geritol Ghetto (wow, it has been a warm July)) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jul 25 15:28:57 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jul 25 15:30:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Electro-Mechanical Pinbank Flexible Wire In-Reply-To: <115979.38820.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <401554.23281.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David (down in the "hot zone"), What I do is use some of the very fine "hook-up" wire that is used on PC boards for jumpers. I solder/splice it to the coil's original wire, insulate and glue it to the coil with Red Glpt so that only the new wire is flexed, should there be any movement. Have never had any problem--This is for the 100 coils -- For the "Group" coils, I use 'tone arm" wire. Also never have had any problems--? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 7/25/09, david wendell wrote: From: david wendell Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Electro-Mechanical Pinbank Flexible Wire To: "jukebox list" Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 1:44 PM Hi All, What would be a good replacement for the insulated wire going to the letter coils inside the Seeburg pinbanks?? Durability and flexibility would seem critical. Thank You as always! David (in the Geritol Ghetto (wow, it has been a warm July)) ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kensoldradiorepair at yahoo.com Sun Jul 26 06:13:51 2009 From: kensoldradiorepair at yahoo.com (Ken Doyle) Date: Sun Jul 26 06:22:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Song Selection Category Heading Strips In-Reply-To: <20090725190002.7B6EFAAFA9@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <815565.59326.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:45:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Breneman > > The records on most jukeboxes, and all jukeboxes of the > era > this question covered, are played in the order that they > apear in the record rack.? You aren't compelled to > play > every selection in every category (as your analogy > suggests), but the machine will play all the selections > that have been made in one category (that is, one > section of the record rack) before it moves on to > another.? Is this not true? Not true on a Wurlitzer. My 2150 would play one song from each catagory, then go back to the first catagory. Ken Doyle From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 26 10:50:43 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sun Jul 26 10:52:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Electro-Mechanical Pinbank Flexible Wire In-Reply-To: <401554.23281.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <317145.92127.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, Thank You! That was easy. For years I have wondered what the heck that little notch is for in the contact washers that go on the armatures. I know they always go towards the outside edge of the pinbank (I hope) but why? Maybe there is a up and down side? Thanks for the information and advice! David (in the "Hot" Geritol Ghetto) --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Electro-Mechanical Pinbank Flexible Wire > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 4:28 PM > David (down in the "hot zone"), > What I do is use some of the very fine "hook-up" wire that > is used on PC boards for jumpers. I solder/splice it to the > coil's original wire, insulate and glue it to the coil with > Red Glpt so that only the new wire is flexed, should there > be any movement. Have never had any problem--This is for the > 100 coils -- > For the "Group" coils, I use 'tone arm" wire. Also never > have had any problems--? > Ron Rich > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, david wendell > wrote: > > From: david wendell > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Electro-Mechanical Pinbank > Flexible Wire > To: "jukebox list" > Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 1:44 PM > > > Hi All, > > What would be a good replacement for the insulated wire > going to the letter coils inside the Seeburg pinbanks?? > Durability and flexibility would seem critical. > > Thank You as always! > > David (in the Geritol Ghetto (wow, it has been a warm > July)) > > > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dppe at inebraska.com Sun Jul 26 12:36:59 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sun Jul 26 12:38:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild Message-ID: <1d8650356d56efb3855483e093e83609@inebraska.com> I just had a guy rebuild both my receiver and amp on a V200 jukebox. The jukebox was fully working except for low volume when I decided to have the amp rebuilt. The receiver worked fine, but was told that both should be rebuilt. The guy that does the repair work has done radio repair for over 30 years. He rebuilt an amp for me on a Seeburg C several years ago with no problem. Any way when I replaced the tubes and connection plugs and turned it on the jukebox will not select a record. After leaving it on for a little bit, it started to smell like smoke and smoke started coming up from under the 6sk7 tube.. Also a little bit of smoke was coming out from under the top horizontal metal cover at the top of the receiver. I called the guy back and he said maybe the new parts that he replaced (kit from Victory Glass) had caused a short somewhere and that he did not work on jukebox power supplies. Did I do something wrong when I put the tubes and connectors back together?? Suggestions?? From jay at west.net Sun Jul 26 12:56:29 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jul 26 12:58:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild In-Reply-To: <1d8650356d56efb3855483e093e83609@inebraska.com> References: <1d8650356d56efb3855483e093e83609@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <4A6CB4ED.6020204@west.net> Dana wrote: > I just had a guy rebuild both my receiver and amp on a V200 jukebox. > The jukebox was fully working except for low volume when I decided to > have the amp rebuilt. > The receiver worked fine, but was told that both should be rebuilt. The > guy that does the repair work has done radio repair for over 30 years. > He rebuilt an amp for me on a Seeburg C several years ago with no > problem. Any way when I replaced the tubes and connection plugs and > turned it on the jukebox will not select a record. After leaving it on > for a little bit, it started to smell like smoke and smoke started > coming up from under the 6sk7 tube.. Also a little bit of smoke was > coming out from under the top horizontal metal cover at the top of the > receiver. I called the guy back and he said maybe the new parts that he > replaced (kit from Victory Glass) had caused a short somewhere and that > he did not work on jukebox power supplies. Did I do something wrong > when I put the tubes and connectors back together?? Suggestions?? I would suspect two different problems, one in the amplifier and the other in the receiver. They seem unrelated other than that they are likely a result of a problem with the rebuild. Seeburg amplifiers are tricky to test alone as they need a separate 6.3 volt AC supply for the tubes. On the other hand, if the rebuilder had both the selection receiver and the amplifier he could test them as a pair. You might ask if they were powered up and bench tested. A close visual inspection should identify the burned parts, most likely resistors (and hopefully not $$transformers$$). These parts are most likely not the cause of the problem but obviously should now be replaced. By identifying the burned parts and comparing with the schematic, it should be possible to track down the cause of the problem. something miswired or shorted has allowed those parts to consume excess current. Double-check that the tubes are in the correct sockets. Another possibility is that the central locator pin on either an octal tube or one of the connection plugs with a tube-like base has broken off and that the tube or connector is not properly aligned. The connector from the mechanism to the selector is subject to this, and it can cause all sorts of problems. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From mw42080 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 26 12:53:43 2009 From: mw42080 at hotmail.com (mw42080) Date: Sun Jul 26 13:00:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Amplifier Issue Message-ID: Hi everyone, Any advice would be appreciated - my amplifier just started acting up. When I choose a selection, the song starts playing normally, but after a few seconds the volume falls way down and I notice the preamp tube and power tubes all go dark when this happens. Then the volume starts to come back up and the tubes light up again, but it never gets back to full volume. The cycle repeats a few more times, but each time the volume doesn't come back as loud as it did in the previous cycle. Eventually the volume stays at a low level, and the tubes stay dark. It seemed that one power tube was looking a little purple when the tubes were dark and the volume was low. I just replaced the power tubes a few months ago - the music was distorted when one of them went bad, so I am thinking this is something else? There is no distortion this time. Could it be one of the other tubes, or does this sound like something else with the amp itself? Thanks - MW From jay at west.net Sun Jul 26 13:20:30 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jul 26 13:22:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Amplifier Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A6CBA8E.6060905@west.net> mw42080 wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > Any advice would be appreciated - my amplifier just started acting up. When > I choose a selection, the song starts playing normally, but after a few > seconds the volume falls way down and I notice the preamp tube and power > tubes all go dark when this happens. Then the volume starts to come back up > and the tubes light up again, but it never gets back to full volume. The > cycle repeats a few more times, but each time the volume doesn't come back > as loud as it did in the previous cycle. Eventually the volume stays at a > low level, and the tubes stay dark. It seemed that one power tube was > looking a little purple when the tubes were dark and the volume was low. I > just replaced the power tubes a few months ago - the music was distorted > when one of them went bad, so I am thinking this is something else? There > is no distortion this time. Could it be one of the other tubes, or does > this sound like something else with the amp itself? There is a relay in the tube heater circuit. Its purpose is to rapidly heat the tubes when the amplifier is first powered on by applying an overvoltage. This allows the first record selected to play at full volume from the beginning without waiting for the amplifier to warm up. When the output stage begins to draw current, the relay pulls in and reduces the heater voltage to the normal value. The relay coil is in the cathode circuit of the 6L6 power tubes, and its contacts switch between a 10-volt (quick heat) and 6.3 volt (normal operation) tap on the transformer. Inspect the relay and try cleaning the normally-open contact. This is the one that has a gap with the amplifier powered off and makes contact when the relay is energized. It may be bent or damaged or just need cleaning. With the relay contact not making, the tubes will go dark just as they warm up and then the relay drops out and the quick-heat kicks in to rapidly warm the tubes, and it will just continue to cycle. If the relay doesn't ever energize fully, there could be a problem with the tube bias or 5U4 rectifier. There should be about 22 volts across the relay coil when the amplifier is operating. It is also possible, though rare, that the 6.3 volt tap on the transformer is open but the 10-volt tap is OK. This can be checked with a voltmeter. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dppe at inebraska.com Sun Jul 26 13:33:30 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sun Jul 26 13:35:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild In-Reply-To: <4A6CB4ED.6020204@west.net> References: <1d8650356d56efb3855483e093e83609@inebraska.com> <4A6CB4ED.6020204@west.net> Message-ID: <3b3c6597834a7e071d7412af05ef8c48@inebraska.com> Looked at the back side of the amp and receiver. Under where the 6sk7 tube is the bottom of it glowed like it was on fire and the base is melted. Dana On Jul 26, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Dana wrote: >> I just had a guy rebuild both my receiver and amp on a V200 jukebox. >> The jukebox was fully working except for low volume when I decided to >> have the amp rebuilt. >> The receiver worked fine, but was told that both should be rebuilt. >> The guy that does the repair work has done radio repair for over 30 >> years. He rebuilt an amp for me on a Seeburg C several years ago >> with no problem. Any way when I replaced the tubes and connection >> plugs and turned it on the jukebox will not select a record. After >> leaving it on for a little bit, it started to smell like smoke and >> smoke started coming up from under the 6sk7 tube.. Also a little bit >> of smoke was coming out from under the top horizontal metal cover at >> the top of the receiver. I called the guy back and he said maybe the >> new parts that he replaced (kit from Victory Glass) had caused a >> short somewhere and that he did not work on jukebox power supplies. >> Did I do something wrong when I put the tubes and connectors back >> together?? Suggestions?? > > I would suspect two different problems, one in the amplifier and the > other in the receiver. They seem unrelated other than that they are > likely a result of a problem with the rebuild. > > Seeburg amplifiers are tricky to test alone as they need a separate > 6.3 volt AC supply for the tubes. On the other hand, if the rebuilder > had both the selection receiver and the amplifier he could test them > as a pair. You might ask if they were powered up and bench tested. > > A close visual inspection should identify the burned parts, most > likely resistors (and hopefully not $$transformers$$). These parts > are most likely not the cause of the problem but obviously should now > be replaced. By identifying the burned parts and comparing with the > schematic, it should be possible to track down the cause of the > problem. something miswired or shorted has allowed those parts to > consume excess current. > > Double-check that the tubes are in the correct sockets. > > Another possibility is that the central locator pin on either an octal > tube or one of the connection plugs with a tube-like base has broken > off and that the tube or connector is not properly aligned. The > connector from the mechanism to the selector is subject to this, and > it can cause all sorts of problems. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Sun Jul 26 14:15:40 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jul 26 14:17:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild In-Reply-To: <3b3c6597834a7e071d7412af05ef8c48@inebraska.com> References: <1d8650356d56efb3855483e093e83609@inebraska.com> <4A6CB4ED.6020204@west.net> <3b3c6597834a7e071d7412af05ef8c48@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <4A6CC77C.4060609@west.net> Dana wrote: > Looked at the back side of the amp and receiver. Under where the 6sk7 > tube is the bottom of it glowed like it was on fire and the base is > melted. The socket itself or a part soldered to it? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dppe at inebraska.com Sun Jul 26 14:24:05 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sun Jul 26 14:25:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild In-Reply-To: <4A6CC77C.4060609@west.net> References: <1d8650356d56efb3855483e093e83609@inebraska.com> <4A6CB4ED.6020204@west.net> <3b3c6597834a7e071d7412af05ef8c48@inebraska.com> <4A6CC77C.4060609@west.net> Message-ID: Tested the socket and it tests good. On the back side, the base where the wires are attached below the tube is fried. The bottom of the socket is not burned. On Jul 26, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Dana wrote: >> Looked at the back side of the amp and receiver. Under where the >> 6sk7 tube is the bottom of it glowed like it was on fire and the base >> is melted. > > The socket itself or a part soldered to it? > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jul 26 14:53:54 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jul 26 14:55:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Electro-Mechanical Pinbank Flexible Wire In-Reply-To: <317145.92127.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <809965.29877.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ah, David--- That little notch is the result of Seeburg's work on WWII projects--It's the "tooth notch" same as was used on dog tags-- I have no i-der !!! But what I do know, is that there is a "smooth" (or "finished") side to those washers, and it goes facing the grounding bar, and yes, the notch goes out. If you look closely you will also see that there is a "rounded" side to the pins. That is supposed to go to the coil (magnet) side.? Ron --- On Sun, 7/26/09, david wendell wrote: From: david wendell Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Electro-Mechanical Pinbank Flexible Wire To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 10:50 AM Ron, Thank You!? That was easy.? For years I have wondered what the heck that little notch is for in the contact washers that go on the armatures.? I know they always go towards the outside edge of the pinbank (I hope) but why?? Maybe there is a up and down side?? Thanks for the information and advice! David (in the "Hot" Geritol Ghetto) --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Electro-Mechanical Pinbank Flexible Wire > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 4:28 PM > David (down in the "hot zone"), > What I do is use some of the very fine "hook-up" wire that > is used on PC boards for jumpers. I solder/splice it to the > coil's original wire, insulate and glue it to the coil with > Red Glpt so that only the new wire is flexed, should there > be any movement. Have never had any problem--This is for the > 100 coils -- > For the "Group" coils, I use 'tone arm" wire. Also never > have had any problems--? > Ron Rich > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, david wendell > wrote: > > From: david wendell > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Electro-Mechanical Pinbank > Flexible Wire > To: "jukebox list" > Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 1:44 PM > > > Hi All, > > What would be a good replacement for the insulated wire > going to the letter coils inside the Seeburg pinbanks?? > Durability and flexibility would seem critical. > > Thank You as always! > > David (in the Geritol Ghetto (wow, it has been a warm > July)) > > > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jul 26 15:08:40 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jul 26 15:10:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild In-Reply-To: <1d8650356d56efb3855483e093e83609@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <751291.74472.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It is possible that you did something wrong, he did something wrong, or neither of you did anything wrong--what is impossible, is to access blame without seeing what went up in smoke. I doubt, however that the "kit" is to blame--- You are going to need to trouble shoot this with the power OFF, as you MAY cause additional damage, if? the power is on.? Sounds like you need to find a "Pro"( which IMHO, you shouldda done did, in the first place)--? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Dana wrote: From: Dana Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 12:36 PM I just had a guy rebuild both my receiver and amp on a V200 jukebox.? The jukebox was fully working except for low volume when I decided to have the amp rebuilt. The receiver worked fine, but was told that both should be rebuilt.? The guy that does the repair work has done radio repair for over 30 years.? He rebuilt an amp for me on a Seeburg C several years ago with no problem.? Any way when I replaced the tubes and connection plugs and turned it on the jukebox will not select a record.? After leaving it on for a little bit, it started to smell like smoke and smoke started coming up from under the 6sk7 tube..? Also a little bit of smoke was coming out from under the top horizontal metal cover at the top of the receiver.? I called the guy back and he said maybe the new parts that he replaced (kit from Victory Glass) had caused a short somewhere and that he did not work on jukebox power supplies.? Did I do something wrong when I put the tubes and connectors back together?? Suggestions?? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Jul 26 15:14:41 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jul 26 15:16:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <1d8650356d56efb3855483e093e83609@inebraska.com> <4A6CB4ED.6020204@west.net> <3b3c6597834a7e071d7412af05ef8c48@inebraska.com> <4A6CC77C.4060609@west.net> Message-ID: <4A6CD551.3080104@west.net> Dana wrote: > Tested the socket and it tests good. On the back side, the base where > the wires are attached below the tube is fried. The bottom of the > socket is not burned. I'm confused. The base of tube itself, when removed from the amplifier, looks OK and not burned? On the amplifier, there is a socket into which the tube seats. This socket consists of a molded bakelite plastic insulator and eight metal terminals. Is this bakelite insulator also OK? How did you test it? Connected to the terminals are a number of wires and components such as resistors and capacitors. Are any of these components burned? Can you post a picture of the damaged area? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dppe at inebraska.com Sun Jul 26 15:21:03 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sun Jul 26 15:22:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild In-Reply-To: <4A6CD551.3080104@west.net> References: <1d8650356d56efb3855483e093e83609@inebraska.com> <4A6CB4ED.6020204@west.net> <3b3c6597834a7e071d7412af05ef8c48@inebraska.com> <4A6CC77C.4060609@west.net> <4A6CD551.3080104@west.net> Message-ID: Simply took the tube out of the socket and put it in a Mighty Mite tube tester. I am talking about the back side of the round socket where wires are soldered on. On Jul 26, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Dana wrote: >> Tested the socket and it tests good. On the back side, the base >> where the wires are attached below the tube is fried. The bottom of >> the socket is not burned. > > I'm confused. The base of tube itself, when removed from the > amplifier, looks OK and not burned? > > On the amplifier, there is a socket into which the tube seats. This > socket consists of a molded bakelite plastic insulator and eight metal > terminals. Is this bakelite insulator also OK? How did you test it? > > Connected to the terminals are a number of wires and components such > as resistors and capacitors. Are any of these components burned? > > Can you post a picture of the damaged area? > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dppe at inebraska.com Sun Jul 26 15:21:38 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Sun Jul 26 15:23:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild In-Reply-To: <751291.74472.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <751291.74472.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Who do you suggest sending it to? Bill Bickers? Vern Tisdale? other? Anybody have a guess as to what it might cost to send an amp and receiver be Fed Ex from Lincoln, Ne. to a PRO? I am in LIncoln, Nebraska as I have stated so close would be best. Thanks! for your suggestions. On Jul 26, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > It is possible that you did something wrong, he did something wrong, > or neither of you did anything wrong--what is impossible, is to access > blame without seeing what went up in smoke. I doubt, however that the > "kit" is to blame--- > You are going to need to trouble shoot this with the power OFF, as you > MAY cause additional damage, if? the power is on.? Sounds like you > need to find a "Pro"( which IMHO, you shouldda done did, in the first > place)--? Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Dana wrote: > > From: Dana > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and > amp rebuild > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 12:36 PM > > I just had a guy rebuild both my receiver and amp on a V200 jukebox.? > The jukebox was fully working except for low volume when I decided to > have the amp rebuilt. > The receiver worked fine, but was told that both should be rebuilt.? > The guy that does the repair work has done radio repair for over 30 > years.? He rebuilt an amp for me on a Seeburg C several years ago with > no problem.? Any way when I replaced the tubes and connection plugs > and turned it on the jukebox will not select a record.? After leaving > it on for a little bit, it started to smell like smoke and smoke > started coming up from under the 6sk7 tube..? Also a little bit of > smoke was coming out from under the top horizontal metal cover at the > top of the receiver.? I called the guy back and he said maybe the new > parts that he replaced (kit from Victory Glass) had caused a short > somewhere and that he did not work on jukebox power supplies.? Did I > do something wrong when I put the tubes and connectors back together?? > Suggestions?? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 17:37:01 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sun Jul 26 17:38:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <751291.74472.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'd send it via the cheapest ground method to Ron. I think he is the most knowledgeable Seeburg guy on the list... Thomas On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Dana wrote: > Who do you suggest sending it to? Bill Bickers? Vern Tisdale? other? > Anybody have a guess as to what it might cost to send an amp and receiver > be Fed Ex from Lincoln, Ne. to a PRO? I am in LIncoln, Nebraska as I have > stated so close would be best. Thanks! for your suggestions. > > On Jul 26, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > > It is possible that you did something wrong, he did something wrong, or >> neither of you did anything wrong--what is impossible, is to access blame >> without seeing what went up in smoke. I doubt, however that the "kit" is to >> blame--- >> You are going to need to trouble shoot this with the power OFF, as you MAY >> cause additional damage, if the power is on. Sounds like you need to find >> a "Pro"( which IMHO, you shouldda done did, in the first place)-- Ron Rich >> >> --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Dana wrote: >> >> From: Dana >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp >> rebuild >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 12:36 PM >> >> I just had a guy rebuild both my receiver and amp on a V200 jukebox. The >> jukebox was fully working except for low volume when I decided to have the >> amp rebuilt. >> The receiver worked fine, but was told that both should be rebuilt. The >> guy that does the repair work has done radio repair for over 30 years. He >> rebuilt an amp for me on a Seeburg C several years ago with no problem. Any >> way when I replaced the tubes and connection plugs and turned it on the >> jukebox will not select a record. After leaving it on for a little bit, it >> started to smell like smoke and smoke started coming up from under the 6sk7 >> tube.. Also a little bit of smoke was coming out from under the top >> horizontal metal cover at the top of the receiver. I called the guy back >> and he said maybe the new parts that he replaced (kit from Victory Glass) >> had caused a short somewhere and that he did not work on jukebox power >> supplies. Did I do something wrong when I put the tubes and connectors back >> together?? Suggestions?? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From tjlane at hawaii.rr.com Sun Jul 26 18:24:05 2009 From: tjlane at hawaii.rr.com (T.J. Lane) Date: Sun Jul 26 18:25:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Question re. OMT 50 CD Message-ID: <000501ca0e58$ef48b170$cdda1450$@rr.com> Aloha all, This is only my second post so please excuse me if I am not using the correct terminology or descriptive terms. I am the original owner of a Wurlitzer OMT 50 CD USA jukebox that continues to perform very well. Aside from some on/off issues of the CD-Rom player needing a few ?practice? runs to start playing songs, everything has worked well for the approximate 20 years I have had the machine. I have 2 problems. The first problem is that the turning cylinder on the left front of the machine does not turn because it sets about ?? below one of the 2 roller balls above it. How can I move the roller ball to align with the cylinder or how can I move the cylinder up to align with the 2nd roller ball so that it will start turning again. My second problem is that a couple of the red digital lights on the cd reader are not working so that a 9 looks like a 7 or an 8 like a 3. How can this be fixed? I?m not mechanically trained or especially proficient in electronics repairs so I would appreciate your opinion as to whether I should find an expert (although there aren?t any Wurlitzer repair people in Honolulu). Thanks in advance for your assistance, TJ From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Jul 26 18:26:12 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 26 18:34:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Installing bottom artwork in a Seeburg PFEA1U Discoteque Message-ID: I have a Seeburg PFEA1U Discoteque I'm finishing up.Not the one I'm parting out...lol. I have a nice used bottom artwork with metal backing I'm trying to install.It goes in but looks like it just floats around in the frame.That can't be. I see the remnants of foam on the back of the artwork.Was this sticky on both sides? Even if I put weather stripping on the back it seems like it would just sit there with nothing holding it. I'm assuming it sits at the angle of the frame so the flourescent can shine down on it.Correct? Anyone got pictures of a properly installed one they can send?I'd appreciate it. J.C. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jul 26 18:47:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jul 26 18:49:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <151782.79472.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks, Thomas, but I am not doing any work for about the next month. He might try Jay--? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 5:37 PM I'd send it via the cheapest ground method to Ron. I think he is the most knowledgeable Seeburg guy on the list... Thomas On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Dana wrote: > Who do you suggest sending it to? Bill Bickers? Vern Tisdale? other? >? Anybody have a guess as to what it might cost to send an amp and receiver > be Fed Ex from Lincoln, Ne. to a PRO?? I am in LIncoln, Nebraska as I have > stated so close would be best.? Thanks! for your suggestions. > > On Jul 26, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > > It is possible that you did something wrong, he did something wrong, or >> neither of you did anything wrong--what is impossible, is to access blame >> without seeing what went up in smoke. I doubt, however that the "kit" is to >> blame--- >> You are going to need to trouble shoot this with the power OFF, as you MAY >> cause additional damage, if? the power is on.? Sounds like you need to find >> a "Pro"( which IMHO, you shouldda done did, in the first place)--? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Dana wrote: >> >> From: Dana >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp >> rebuild >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 12:36 PM >> >> I just had a guy rebuild both my receiver and amp on a V200 jukebox.? The >> jukebox was fully working except for low volume when I decided to have the >> amp rebuilt. >> The receiver worked fine, but was told that both should be rebuilt.? The >> guy that does the repair work has done radio repair for over 30 years.? He >> rebuilt an amp for me on a Seeburg C several years ago with no problem.? Any >> way when I replaced the tubes and connection plugs and turned it on the >> jukebox will not select a record.? After leaving it on for a little bit, it >> started to smell like smoke and smoke started coming up from under the 6sk7 >> tube..? Also a little bit of smoke was coming out from under the top >> horizontal metal cover at the top of the receiver.? I called the guy back >> and he said maybe the new parts that he replaced (kit from Victory Glass) >> had caused a short somewhere and that he did not work on jukebox power >> supplies.? Did I do something wrong when I put the tubes and connectors back >> together?? Suggestions?? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jul 26 18:56:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jul 26 18:58:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Installing bottom artwork in a Seeburg PFEA1U Discoteque In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <423249.3198.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> JC, There were two versions of that lower door. I think, from what you have written, that you have the later one in which the sign is attached to a thin piece of "floating" metal. On that version, it does "flop" around. The "tape" was just a couple of thin (yellow/white) strips of foam to stop any rattles. Believe me, it is a MAJOR improvement over the original fixed sign. BTW, he lamp was originally a BLB. Do not use a BLB there, use a BL only, or it WILL "eat" the keyboard plastics !!!? Ron Rich? --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Installing bottom artwork in a Seeburg PFEA1U Discoteque To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 6:26 PM I have a Seeburg PFEA1U Discoteque I'm finishing up.Not the one I'm? parting out...lol. I have a nice used bottom artwork with metal backing I'm? trying to install.It? goes in but looks like it just floats around in the? frame.That can't be. I see the remnants of foam on the back of the artwork.Was? this sticky on both sides? Even if I put weather stripping on the back it seems? like it would just sit there with nothing holding it. I'm assuming it sits at? the angle of the frame so the flourescent can shine down on? it.Correct? Anyone got pictures of a properly installed one they can send?I'd? appreciate it. J.C. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Jul 26 19:10:33 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 26 19:12:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Installing bottom artwork in a Seeburg PFEA1U Discoteque Message-ID: Thanks. I'll get some thin weather stripping foam to keep it from rattling and put her together.This one's got plain fluorescents. I left it that way rather than dealing with the blacklights. J.C. In a message dated 7/26/2009 9:58:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: JC, There were two versions of that lower door. I think, from what you have written, that you have the later one in which the sign is attached to a thin piece of "floating" metal. On that version, it does "flop" around. The "tape" was just a couple of thin (yellow/white) strips of foam to stop any rattles. Believe me, it is a MAJOR improvement over the original fixed sign. BTW, he lamp was originally a BLB. Do not use a BLB there, use a BL only, or it WILL "eat" the keyboard plastics !!! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Installing bottom artwork in a Seeburg PFEA1U Discotheque To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 6:26 PM I have a Seeburg PFEA1U Discotheque I'm finishing up.Not the one I'm parting out...lol. I have a nice used bottom artwork with metal backing I'm trying to install.It goes in but looks like it just floats around in the frame.That can't be. I see the remnants of foam on the back of the artwork.Was this sticky on both sides? Even if I put weather stripping on the back it seems like it would just sit there with nothing holding it. I'm assuming it sits at the angle of the frame so the fluorescent can shine down on it .Correct? Anyone got pictures of a properly installed one they can send?I'd appreciate it. J.C. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From philcokid2 at cs.com Sun Jul 26 20:18:53 2009 From: philcokid2 at cs.com (philcokid2@cs.com) Date: Sun Jul 26 20:20:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Amplifier Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBDC801AA6C150-66C-E34@FWM-M40.sysops.aol.com> Check your caps, check your bias resistors.? Fading in and out can be a bad capacitor. Blue tubes can be gassy,? unless of course their Arcturus... Donald www.aladdinradio2.com -----Original Message----- From: mw42080 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:53 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Amplifier Issue Hi everyone, Any advice would be appreciated - my amplifier just started acting up. When I choose a selection, the song starts playing normally, but after a few seconds the volume falls way down and I notice the preamp tube and power tubes all go dark when this happens. Then the volume starts to come back up and the tubes light up again, but it never gets back to full volume. The cycle repeats a few more times, but each time the volume doesn't come back as loud as it did in the previous cycle. Eventually the volume stays at a low level, and the tubes stay dark. It seemed that one power tube was looking a little purple when the tubes were dark and the volume was low. I just replaced the power tubes a few months ago - the music was distorted when one of them went bad, so I am thinking this is something else? There is no distortion this time. Could it be one of the other tubes, or does this sound like something else with the amp itself? Thanks - MW _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jul 26 20:35:26 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jul 26 20:38:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Question re. OMT 50 CD Message-ID: <20090726.233526.3034.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Hello TJ: There may be some simple fixes to the problems you are describing with your older-model Wurl. 1015 OMT-CD jukebox that you can take care of yourself. First, you need to check that the CD carrier (basket) is fully seated on the center crank arm that rotates it. This may be the reason why the carrier is not riding evenly on the 4 rollers (2 in front, 2 at the back) that support it. The problem with your digital readout might be related to the carrier not being seated properly. The computer "reads" the position of the CD carrier using a photocell and light beam to count the disc slots. This sensing circuit is located in small black rectangular box at the front of the changer platform. If the light beam is not being broken/made properly by the rotating carrier, the computer is receiving bad information. When the carrier stops rotating, does it go to it's "home" position, where the first disc is under the gripper arm? If it isn't, this is a related problem. Last, if you have one of the older OMT's, built in the late 80's-early 90's, the computer needs to "read" all of the CD's in the carrier in order to be fully initialized. In this mode, the changer will stop and pickup each CD, place it on the player for a short time, then put it back. You will hear no sound. The computer then "knows" how many tracks are on each disc. I think this is what you're calling a practice run. You should let the machine go through this sequence every time you change a significant number of discs. Doing this should stop the random scans. The later OMT CD's that have the black computer chassis,built after 1996 use a different operating platform and do not need to go through the initialization mode when loading CD's. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Free information on Digital Photography. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ341h1bXmcXDlYILpdTDqlTqMTeNWHHP82AEu7mGXu3Pcc4HMAD2/ From tjlane at hawaii.rr.com Sun Jul 26 20:52:53 2009 From: tjlane at hawaii.rr.com (T.J. Lane) Date: Sun Jul 26 20:54:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Question re. OMT 50 CD In-Reply-To: <20090726.233526.3034.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090726.233526.3034.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000a01ca0e6d$b8bfeb90$2a3fc2b0$@rr.com> Jim, Thanks for your quick response. I don't have a problem with the CD carrier. I wasn't too clear in my earlier post. The problem I have is in the left cylinder inside the door which houses the vertical fluorescent bulb. It does not rotate because it is below one of the 2 small white rollers above it. So, it doesn't turn 360 degrees as the one does on the opposite side of the door. Thanks, TJ -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:35 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Question re. OMT 50 CD Hello TJ: There may be some simple fixes to the problems you are describing with your older-model Wurl. 1015 OMT-CD jukebox that you can take care of yourself. First, you need to check that the CD carrier (basket) is fully seated on the center crank arm that rotates it. This may be the reason why the carrier is not riding evenly on the 4 rollers (2 in front, 2 at the back) that support it. The problem with your digital readout might be related to the carrier not being seated properly. The computer "reads" the position of the CD carrier using a photocell and light beam to count the disc slots. This sensing circuit is located in small black rectangular box at the front of the changer platform. If the light beam is not being broken/made properly by the rotating carrier, the computer is receiving bad information. When the carrier stops rotating, does it go to it's "home" position, where the first disc is under the gripper arm? If it isn't, this is a related problem. Last, if you have one of the older OMT's, built in the late 80's-early 90's, the computer needs to "read" all of the CD's in the carrier in order to be fully initialized. In this mode, the changer will stop and pickup each CD, place it on the player for a short time, then put it back. You will hear no sound. The computer then "knows" how many tracks are on each disc. I think this is what you're calling a practice run. You should let the machine go through this sequence every time you change a significant number of discs. Doing this should stop the random scans. The later OMT CD's that have the black computer chassis,built after 1996 use a different operating platform and do not need to go through the initialization mode when loading CD's. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Free information on Digital Photography. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ341h1bXmcXDlYILpdTDql TqMTeNWHHP82AEu7mGXu3Pcc4HMAD2/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From scott at steelhouseauctions.com Sun Jul 26 22:03:57 2009 From: scott at steelhouseauctions.com (Scott Plutchok) Date: Sun Jul 26 22:11:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] First Post - May I introduce myself? In-Reply-To: <000a01ca0e6d$b8bfeb90$2a3fc2b0$@rr.com> References: <20090726.233526.3034.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> <000a01ca0e6d$b8bfeb90$2a3fc2b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Hello All, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Scott Plutchok. I live in Florence Township, NJ. I have a store on eBay: Steel House Auctions. My store categories of Steel House Seeburg, Steel House Rock-Ola, Steel House Wallboxes and Steel House Jukebox are my best selling categories. I am a complete newbie pertaining to jukebox parts and units. My wife's father (Pop) recently passed away and I am listing items from the estate. His inventory is beyond huge. His member id on eBay was ettelad. Perhaps you communicated or recognize it. Pop was a amateur jukebox restorer for over three decades. He restored a M100C, a V200, a Music Mite, an HF100R, SS160s, LPC1s and many others. He had several jukeboxes that are in various stages of restoration, including a 222 that was very nearly finished. I'd like to finish it but I've no idea where to begin or how to proceed. I have no idea how to use multi-meters and related tools to trouble shoot issues. I was wondering if anyone would be interested in identifying parts that I have on hand. In exchange may be able to locate items that are needed. My problem is that I simply don't know what these parts are and which jukebox they are for. Looking forward to hearing from you all. Regards, Scott _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview From jay at west.net Sun Jul 26 22:58:53 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jul 26 23:00:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] First Post - May I introduce myself? In-Reply-To: References: <20090726.233526.3034.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> <000a01ca0e6d$b8bfeb90$2a3fc2b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4A6D421D.5090708@west.net> Scott Plutchok wrote: > Hello All, > > I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Scott Plutchok. I live in Florence Township, NJ. > > I have a store on eBay: Steel House Auctions. My store categories of Steel House Seeburg, Steel House Rock-Ola, Steel House Wallboxes and Steel House Jukebox are my best selling categories. > > I am a complete newbie pertaining to jukebox parts and units. My wife's father (Pop) recently passed away and I am listing items from the estate. His inventory is beyond huge. His member id on eBay was ettelad. Perhaps you communicated or recognize it. > > Pop was a amateur jukebox restorer for over three decades. He restored a M100C, a V200, a Music Mite, an HF100R, SS160s, LPC1s and many others. He had several jukeboxes that are in various stages of restoration, including a 222 that was very nearly finished. I'd like to finish it but I've no idea where to begin or how to proceed. I have no idea how to use multi-meters and related tools to trouble shoot issues. > > I was wondering if anyone would be interested in identifying parts that I have on hand. In exchange may be able to locate items that are needed. My problem is that I simply don't know what these parts are and which jukebox they are for. > > Looking forward to hearing from you all. Hello, Scott, and welcome! I'm sure that many of us on the list would be eager to help you identify miscellaneous parts. Due to the bandwidth needs of distributing pictures and binaries to those who may not have interest in a particular thread, this list is text-only. What I would suggest is that you set up a site on Flickr, Photobucket, Google Picasa or similar and place pictures of your unknown items there. Post a link to the list and we'll take our best shot at identifying your items. Tell us about the 222, if that's your current project. What state is it in electrically, mechanically and cosmetically. What kind of help do you need? This list is a worldwide group of enthusiasts, some people here have one or two jukeboxes, others are active in the restoration and repair, as well as dealers. Welcome aboard! -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From scott at steelhouseauctions.com Mon Jul 27 04:18:12 2009 From: scott at steelhouseauctions.com (Scott Plutchok) Date: Mon Jul 27 04:19:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] First Post - May I introduce myself? In-Reply-To: <4A6D421D.5090708@west.net> References: <20090726.233526.3034.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> <000a01ca0e6d$b8bfeb90$2a3fc2b0$@rr.com> <4A6D421D.5090708@west.net> Message-ID: Jay, Photos of the 222 can be viewed at: http://picasaweb.google.com/SteelHouseAuctions/Seeburg222Jukebox?feat=directlink AFAIK this 222 is quite close to being done. There are several cosmetic items that need to be put back on: the emblems and the Channel 2 glass. I've no idea how to do that. This 222 was completely rechromed so its cosmetically excellent. I believe all the components that play the records are rebuilt and restored. There are several components in the rear that need to be put back into place. No idea how to do that either. I will get additional pictures of what I'm talking about. Regards, Scott _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Jul 27 05:48:50 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Jul 27 05:50:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] First Post - May I introduce myself? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <23077.74458.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -- On Sun, 7/26/09, Scott Plutchok wrote: > I have a store on eBay: Steel House Auctions. My store > categories of Steel House Seeburg, Steel House Rock-Ola, > Steel House Wallboxes and Steel House Jukebox are my best > selling categories. How does one access a store on ebay without simply happening upon something being sold via a search? From jay at west.net Mon Jul 27 06:56:24 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jul 27 06:58:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 reassembly In-Reply-To: References: <20090726.233526.3034.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> <000a01ca0e6d$b8bfeb90$2a3fc2b0$@rr.com> <4A6D421D.5090708@west.net> Message-ID: <4A6DB208.1010903@west.net> Scott Plutchok wrote: > Jay, > > Photos of the 222 can be viewed at: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/SteelHouseAuctions/Seeburg222Jukebox?feat=directlink > > AFAIK this 222 is quite close to being done. There are several cosmetic items that need to be put back on: the emblems and the Channel 2 glass. I've no idea how to do that. The emblems on the speaker grilles also need to be reattached. I have a 222 in rough shape and haven't begun to work on it. Others here report that getting to the "Channel 1 - Channel 2" plastics is tricky. Someone will likely chime in and describe the process. It's surprising to see it that far reassembled with the one emblem gone. Do you have the "Channel 2" plastic and the speaker emblems? > This 222 was completely rechromed so its cosmetically excellent. I believe all the components that play the records are rebuilt and restored. From the pictures it looks like an awesome example. > There are several components in the rear that need to be put back into place. No idea how to do that either. I will get additional pictures of what I'm talking about. As a rule everything just plugs in. There are two large chassis on the back door, the amplifier and selection receiver. Cables from the keyboard, mechanism, and coin gear plug in to them. There is a stereo speaker network on the output of the amplifier that interconnects to the speakers. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jul 27 08:02:08 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jul 27 08:05:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Question re. OMT 50 CD Message-ID: <20090727.110208.29335.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> TJ Sorry about the misunderstanding. I thought you were describing a CD changer problem. Wurlitzer sells a replacement parts kit that includes all of the "wear" items that operate the rotation of the color cylinders (called pilasters) for your OMT. The kit includes the 2 plastic/rubber wheels you referred to. Parts can be purchased through any authorized Deutsche-Wurlitzer distributor. If you go to the factory website at www.wurlitzer-jukebox.com this will take you to the Gibson Musical Instrument site. Wurlitzer is now a division of Gibson. There will be a list of world-wide list of dealers/distributors there. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZXsnIdysLNWUi6La3xD6K8Ag1fs6E0sVIX7Buu79D7Gr5BYIOHle/ From ccos at knology.net Mon Jul 27 08:30:23 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Columbus Coin-Op Shop) Date: Mon Jul 27 08:32:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-90 45/Video Jukebox Message-ID: <009101ca0ecf$2906c890$7b1459b0$@net> Got a question about this machine that I'm sure someone can answer, if they don't mind. I got this in a lot I bought from an old operator. It has two Beta machines under the mech, and two control units mounted on the right wall. Anyone know where I can find some tapes to test this thing, or any way of testing it without a tape? I used to play one like this in a local restaurant, specifically Robert Palmer's Addicted To Love (video made a semi-decent song a lot more interesting to play), but had never seen what made the jukebox play videos until now. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 27 10:12:11 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Mon Jul 27 10:13:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-90-VJB Message-ID: <441963.90365.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> First off I have seen the tapes on that online auction site. The next thing is they were property of Rowe Int'l. They should have been returned. (Mr. legal beagle and the copy write hounds) Video music is a whole other category. The beta tapes had a cue tone between each song. There are 2 players with the same tape in them, for shorter search time. They used portable units at first, then on to table top units. You can take all the video stuff out and you are left with a nice 200 selection jukebox. You could check the player out of the box, because its just a Sony beta player. You should read the video manual if you want to try it as a video juke, it has many quirks. The video output is just that, a video signal, inputable to a monitor. John the Jukebox Man From boygary at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 09:43:25 2009 From: boygary at gmail.com (Gmail) Date: Mon Jul 27 10:50:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Inserting Title Strips in A Rockola Comet 1438 Message-ID: <8818C42E6D5B4015A43742E3C3A05F8E@GaryOffice> Just purchased this yesterday and I love it. I found a few sites to print free title strips(although I'm up for more suggestions) but here's the question. How do I remove the stainless steel holder to put the strips in? From dppe at inebraska.com Sun Jul 26 15:03:59 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Mon Jul 27 10:50:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <1d8650356d56efb3855483e093e83609@inebraska.com> <4A6CB4ED.6020204@west.net> <3b3c6597834a7e071d7412af05ef8c48@inebraska.com> <4A6CC77C.4060609@west.net> Message-ID: Picture of burnt bottom tube socket: -------------- next part -------------- On Jul 26, 2009, at 4:24 PM, Dana wrote: > Tested the socket and it tests good. On the back side, the base where > the wires are attached below the tube is fried. The bottom of the > socket is not burned. > On Jul 26, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > >> Dana wrote: >>> Looked at the back side of the amp and receiver. Under where the >>> 6sk7 tube is the bottom of it glowed like it was on fire and the >>> base is melted. >> >> The socket itself or a part soldered to it? >> >> -- >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Mon Jul 27 11:13:24 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jul 27 11:15:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1493 Princess cabinet inner plastic trim Message-ID: <4A6DEE44.3010000@west.net> I'm in need of a couple of trim parts for this project. These are plastic moldings, Rockola part number 35721 (LH) and 35722 (RH). They bolt to the dome support castings. Anyone parting out one of these and able to help out? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From edbap at aol.com Mon Jul 27 11:51:17 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 27 11:59:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker needed (actually need 2) In-Reply-To: <4A6DB208.1010903@west.net> References: <20090726.233526.3034.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> <000a01ca0e6d$b8bfeb90$2a3fc2b0$@rr.com> <4A6D421D.5090708@west.net> <4A6DB208.1010903@west.net> Message-ID: <8CBDD025BB5F051-D08-1007@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> I am looking for 2 speakers for a Seeburg C, and B.? Plug and Play would be my first preference. Anyone got one for sale?? Ship to 98042 zip? Thanks, ED Baptista -list? From steve at pro-ns.net Mon Jul 27 12:11:05 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Mon Jul 27 12:12:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-90-VJB In-Reply-To: <441963.90365.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <441963.90365.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090727191105.GG10588@pro-ns.net> John, This is the first I've ever heard of these video jukeboxes. From my point of view, the cool thing would be if you could reproduce the cue tones, this would be one of the only jukeboxes you can put your own recorded material on. How many times have we talked here about custom cut 45s? (Yeah, it would require an investment in beta equipment...) How many selections were video? What did the video section put out when no video was playing (my guess would be nothing, based upon the era)? Is the system well documented enough that it might be possible to make your own tapes? --> Steve On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:12:11AM -0700, John wrote: > First off I have seen the tapes on that online auction site. The next thing is they were property of Rowe Int'l. They should have been returned. (Mr. legal beagle and the copy write hounds) > Video music is a whole other category. The beta tapes had a > cue tone between each song. There are 2 players with the same tape in them, for shorter search time. They used portable units > at first, then on to table top units. You can take all the video stuff out and you are left with a nice 200 selection jukebox. You could > check the player out of the box, because its just a Sony beta player. You should read the video manual if you want to try it > as a video juke, it has many quirks. The video output is just that, > a video signal, inputable to a monitor. > > > > > > John the Jukebox Man > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Windows comes from a box. Linux comes from a community. From pinball at telus.net Mon Jul 27 12:14:53 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Jul 27 12:16:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Question re. OMT 50 CD In-Reply-To: <000501ca0e58$ef48b170$cdda1450$@rr.com> References: <000501ca0e58$ef48b170$cdda1450$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4A6DFCAD.8010404@telus.net> Hi TJ, Answers below: T.J. Lane wrote: > Aloha all, > > > > This is only my second post so please excuse me if I am not using the > correct terminology or descriptive terms. I am the original owner of a > Wurlitzer OMT 50 CD USA jukebox that continues to perform very well. Aside > from some on/off issues of the CD-Rom player needing a few ?practice? runs > to start playing songs, everything has worked well for the approximate 20 > years I have had the machine. > > > > I have 2 problems. The first problem is that the turning cylinder on the > left front of the machine does not turn because it sets about ?? below one > of the 2 roller balls above it. How can I move the roller ball to align > with the cylinder or how can I move the cylinder up to align with the 2nd > roller ball so that it will start turning again. > > > The top metal support for your colour cylinder has not been set in place correctly or the machine screws holding it have loosened. See if the cylinder can move from side to side, and if so, gently move outwards the one roller that has a spring on it and then shift the cylinder so it is between the two fixed rollers and the moving one. If successful then adjust the frame so it supports the cylinder correctly (use the other side as a guide). > My second problem is that a couple of the red digital lights on the cd > reader are not working so that a 9 looks like a 7 or an 8 like a 3. How can > this be fixed? > > Check the ribbon connector on the upper left of the Selection & Credit Computer (mounted on the lower inside rear wall of machine beside the amplifier). If this is not seated correctly it could explain your display problem. I have yet to see a display segment fail - so look elsewhere first... John :-#)# > > > I?m not mechanically trained or especially proficient in electronics repairs > so I would appreciate your opinion as to whether I should find an expert > (although there aren?t any Wurlitzer repair people in Honolulu). > > > > Thanks in advance for your assistance, TJ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Mon Jul 27 12:21:23 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Mon Jul 27 12:23:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <900160.91755.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Could be a dead short in the tube.. or take a look at the tube.. maybe it shorted to the chassis. ? Tony --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Dana wrote: From: Dana Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 6:03 PM Picture of burnt bottom tube socket: On Jul 26, 2009, at 4:24 PM, Dana wrote: > Tested the socket and it tests good.? On the back side, the base where the wires are attached below the tube is fried.? The bottom of the socket is not burned. > On Jul 26, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > >> Dana wrote: >>> Looked at the back side of the amp and receiver.? Under where the 6sk7 tube is the bottom of it glowed like it was on fire and the base is melted. >> >> The socket itself or a part soldered to it? >> >> -- >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >> Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 27 12:20:17 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Mon Jul 27 12:27:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] First Post - May I introduce myself? Message-ID: Hello Scott, Welcome to the list. I knew your father-in-law well. Dale was a friend, we had done considerable business together. You should find a remote volume control RSVC for the 222 that he purchased from me for that very machine you are describing. I am just across the state line in PA. Feel to drop me a line if you need help identifying anything; I probably sold him much of that "stuff." Regards, Justin Message: 22 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:03:57 +0000 From: Scott Plutchok Subject: [Jukebox-list] First Post - May I introduce myself? To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello All, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Scott Plutchok. I live in Florence Township, NJ. I have a store on eBay: Steel House Auctions. My store categories of Steel House Seeburg, Steel House Rock-Ola, Steel House Wallboxes and Steel House Jukebox are my best selling categories. I am a complete newbie pertaining to jukebox parts and units. My wife's father (Pop) recently passed away and I am listing items from the estate. His inventory is beyond huge. His member id on eBay was ettelad. Perhaps you communicated or recognize it. Pop was a amateur jukebox restorer for over three decades. He restored a M100C, a V200, a Music Mite, an HF100R, SS160s, LPC1s and many others. He had several jukeboxes that are in various stages of restoration, including a 222 that was very nearly finished. I'd like to finish it but I've no idea where to begin or how to proceed. I have no idea how to use multi-meters and related tools to trouble shoot issues. I was wondering if anyone would be interested in identifying parts that I have on hand. In exchange may be able to locate items that are needed. My problem is that I simply don't know what these parts are and which jukebox they are for. Looking forward to hearing from you all. Regards, Scott _________________________________________________________________ Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TXT_MLOGEN_Local_Local_Restaurants_1x1 From pinball at telus.net Mon Jul 27 12:46:00 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Jul 27 12:47:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <751291.74472.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A6E03F8.1070702@telus.net> Dana wrote: > Who do you suggest sending it to? Bill Bickers? Vern Tisdale? other? > Anybody have a guess as to what it might cost to send an amp and > receiver be Fed Ex from Lincoln, Ne. to a PRO? I am in LIncoln, > Nebraska as I have stated so close would be best. Thanks! for your > suggestions. If you are good with wood you can make a nice pair of wooden shipping boxes to protect the amp and control center. A fellow I know made these just bigger than the amp so the amp would be suspended upside down in the box by the taps (screwed down) and then a simple wooden cover is screwed on the top side to protect the innards of the amp/control center. He would then 'toss' them on a bus or whatever cheap transport needed and they always arrived safe and sound. Otherwise double box 'em. John :-#)# > On Jul 26, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> It is possible that you did something wrong, he did something wrong, >> or neither of you did anything wrong--what is impossible, is to >> access blame without seeing what went up in smoke. I doubt, however >> that the "kit" is to blame--- >> You are going to need to trouble shoot this with the power OFF, as >> you MAY cause additional damage, if the power is on. Sounds like >> you need to find a "Pro"( which IMHO, you shouldda done did, in the >> first place)-- Ron Rich >> >> --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Dana wrote: >> >> From: Dana >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and >> amp rebuild >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 12:36 PM >> >> I just had a guy rebuild both my receiver and amp on a V200 jukebox. >> The jukebox was fully working except for low volume when I decided to >> have the amp rebuilt. >> The receiver worked fine, but was told that both should be rebuilt. >> The guy that does the repair work has done radio repair for over 30 >> years. He rebuilt an amp for me on a Seeburg C several years ago >> with no problem. Any way when I replaced the tubes and connection >> plugs and turned it on the jukebox will not select a record. After >> leaving it on for a little bit, it started to smell like smoke and >> smoke started coming up from under the 6sk7 tube.. Also a little bit >> of smoke was coming out from under the top horizontal metal cover at >> the top of the receiver. I called the guy back and he said maybe the >> new parts that he replaced (kit from Victory Glass) had caused a >> short somewhere and that he did not work on jukebox power supplies. >> Did I do something wrong when I put the tubes and connectors back >> together?? Suggestions?? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Mon Jul 27 12:51:02 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Mon Jul 27 12:52:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild In-Reply-To: <4A6E03F8.1070702@telus.net> Message-ID: <35348.66669.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All the guys you mentioned are good in fact the best.. you need to choose who you want to do the job. LOL.. choices choices choice.. --- On Mon, 7/27/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Monday, July 27, 2009, 3:46 PM Dana wrote: > Who do you suggest sending it to? Bill Bickers? Vern Tisdale? other?? Anybody have a guess as to what it might cost to send an amp and receiver be Fed Ex from Lincoln, Ne. to a PRO?? I am in LIncoln, Nebraska as I have stated so close would be best.? Thanks! for your suggestions. If you are good with wood you can make a nice pair of wooden shipping boxes to protect the amp and control center. A fellow I know made these just bigger than the amp so the amp would be suspended upside down in the box by the taps (screwed down) and then a simple wooden cover is screwed on the top side to protect the innards of the amp/control center. He would then 'toss' them on a bus or whatever cheap transport needed and they always arrived safe and sound. Otherwise double box 'em. John :-#)# > On Jul 26, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> It is possible that you did something wrong, he did something wrong, or neither of you did anything wrong--what is impossible, is to access blame without seeing what went up in smoke. I doubt, however that the "kit" is to blame--- >> You are going to need to trouble shoot this with the power OFF, as you MAY cause additional damage, if? the power is on.? Sounds like you need to find a "Pro"( which IMHO, you shouldda done did, in the first place)--? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Dana wrote: >> >> From: Dana >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help! Seeburg V200 Smoking after receiver and amp rebuild >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 12:36 PM >> >> I just had a guy rebuild both my receiver and amp on a V200 jukebox.? The jukebox was fully working except for low volume when I decided to have the amp rebuilt. >> The receiver worked fine, but was told that both should be rebuilt.? The guy that does the repair work has done radio repair for over 30 years.? He rebuilt an amp for me on a Seeburg C several years ago with no problem.? Any way when I replaced the tubes and connection plugs and turned it on the jukebox will not select a record.? After leaving it on for a little bit, it started to smell like smoke and smoke started coming up from under the 6sk7 tube..? Also a little bit of smoke was coming out from under the top horizontal metal cover at the top of the receiver.? I called the guy back and he said maybe the new parts that he replaced (kit from Victory Glass) had caused a short somewhere and that he did not work on jukebox power supplies.? Did I do something wrong when I put the tubes and connectors back together?? Suggestions?? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jul 27 13:35:28 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jul 27 13:37:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Inserting Title Strips in A Rockola Comet 1438 Message-ID: <20090727.163528.22257.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> For your RO 1438, standard size dual title strips fit diagonally into a rotating title drum. Open the front door of jukebox. The title drum is on a hinge and will swing upward, giving you clearance to the ends of the drum. You will see silver aluminum title holders that will pull out of the end of the title drum. Remove unwanted titles and install new strips onto the aluminum holders. Enjoy your 1438 Comet. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Always a good call. 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Wurlitzer sells a replacement parts kit that includes all of the "wear" items that operate the rotation of the color cylinders (called pilasters) for your OMT. The kit includes the 2 plastic/rubber wheels you referred to. Parts can be purchased through any authorized Deutsche-Wurlitzer distributor. If you go to the factory website at www.wurlitzer-jukebox.com this will take you to the Gibson Musical Instrument site. Wurlitzer is now a division of Gibson. There will be a list of world-wide list of dealers/distributors there. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! 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Toony --- On Mon, 7/27/09, mw42080 wrote: From: mw42080 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rockola 1428 Amplifier Issue - How To Clean Relay Contacts? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Monday, July 27, 2009, 5:29 PM Jay - Thanks for the advice on the relay in this amp . . . what's the best way to clean relay contacts? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From pinballpauls at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 15:46:06 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Mon Jul 27 15:47:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-90-VJB In-Reply-To: <20090727191105.GG10588@pro-ns.net> References: <441963.90365.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20090727191105.GG10588@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: I worked for Chuck E. Cheese's in the 1980's and we had one of those video jukeboxes, and they no good brand new out of the crate. I am sure 20+ years has not done it any good. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > John, > > This is the first I've ever heard of these video jukeboxes. From my > point of view, the cool thing would be if you could reproduce the cue > tones, this would be one of the only jukeboxes you can put your own > recorded material on. How many times have we talked here about custom > cut 45s? (Yeah, it would require an investment in beta equipment...) > > How many selections were video? What did the video section put out > when no video was playing (my guess would be nothing, based upon the > era)? Is the system well documented enough that it might be possible > to make your own tapes? > > --> Steve > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:12:11AM -0700, John wrote: > > First off I have seen the tapes on that online auction site. The next > thing is they were property of Rowe Int'l. They should have been returned. > (Mr. legal beagle and the copy write hounds) > > Video music is a whole other category. The beta tapes had a > > cue tone between each song. There are 2 players with the same tape in > them, for shorter search time. They used portable units > > at first, then on to table top units. You can take all the video stuff > out and you are left with a nice 200 selection jukebox. You could > > check the player out of the box, because its just a Sony beta player. You > should read the video manual if you want to try it > > as a video juke, it has many quirks. The video output is just that, > > a video signal, inputable to a monitor. > > > > > > > > > > > > John the Jukebox Man > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > Windows comes from a box. Linux comes from a community. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Mon Jul 27 16:52:40 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jul 27 16:54:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rockola 1428 Amplifier Issue - How To Clean Relay Contacts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A6E3DC8.8090503@west.net> mw42080 wrote: > Jay - Thanks for the advice on the relay in this amp . . . what's the best > way to clean relay contacts? Get a piece of bond paper like copy paper. A business card will do in a pinch. Cut it into strips about 4 inches long and 1/4 inch wide. With the power off, slip the paper inbetween the normally-closed contacts and pull. You'll probably see a black streak. Continue with new paper until the contacts no longer mark with black. Then put the paper in between the normally open contacts. With your other hand hold the armature closed and pull the strip through like before until the paper comes out clean. For better results, get a can of CAIG DeOxIt and spray the paper with it first. Radio Shack sells a small can of it. DeOxIt is also useful for scratchy volume controls, switches, etc. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Mon Jul 27 18:24:43 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Mon Jul 27 18:26:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SEEBURG SHFA5 AMP VOLUME CONTROL Message-ID: <806884.73899.qm@web96002.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi,In the process of working on my Seeburg DS160, it has a SHFA5 Amplifier..... problem is the volume pot... according to the manual it is item R114 part number 305821 ?(Volume control 1meg ea. sec. ) ?does any body on the list know where I can buy on line ? ?I haven't had much luck cleaning this type of control in the past, once scratchy and completely dead in places they are ready for the scrap heap.Regards John From jay at west.net Mon Jul 27 18:53:43 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jul 27 18:55:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SEEBURG SHFA5 AMP VOLUME CONTROL In-Reply-To: <806884.73899.qm@web96002.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <806884.73899.qm@web96002.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A6E5A27.1050004@west.net> John Wilson wrote: > Hi,In the process of working on my Seeburg DS160, it has a SHFA5 Amplifier..... problem is the volume pot... according to the manual it is item R114 part number 305821 (Volume control 1meg ea. sec. ) does any body on the list know where I can buy on line ? I haven't had much luck cleaning this type of control in the past, once scratchy and completely dead in places they are ready for the scrap heap.Regards John > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list http://www.victoryglass.com/ Part 38-4244. http://www.jukeboxusa.com/ Part 91-002 -- -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jul 27 19:37:03 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jul 27 19:38:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SEEBURG SHFA5 AMP VOLUME CONTROL In-Reply-To: <806884.73899.qm@web96002.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3581.55573.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, If you find some, please let me know--Craig's DeOxIt seems to work fairly well on these-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 7/27/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] SEEBURG SHFA5 AMP VOLUME CONTROL To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:24 PM Hi,In the process of working on my Seeburg DS160, it has a SHFA5 Amplifier...... problem is the volume pot... according to the manual it is item R114 part number 305821 ?(Volume control 1meg ea. sec. ) ?does any body on the list know where I can buy on line ? ?I haven't had much luck cleaning this type of control in the past, once scratchy and completely dead in places they are ready for the scrap heap.Regards John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jul 27 19:56:19 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jul 27 19:57:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2300S D pricing unit Message-ID: <667182.77066.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Does anyone have any info, other then what is printed in the WurliTzer Service Manual about the Dual Pricing Unit used in the 2300S model ?? TIA ! Ron Rich From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 27 20:12:24 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Mon Jul 27 20:13:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-90 Video Juke Message-ID: <920459.14593.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The tone was 1000 cycles. I don't know what you mean by 'your own recorded material', but not many people use the betamax format anymore. If I remember there were 30 (or 40) video selections. Eventually they used 3 different music style tapes. (Rock, C&W, R&B) When the juke was playing an audio selection the monitor could have a commercial ad (Seagram's), which came from the control board(on a custom IC) or an attract mode picture or a message programmed by the operator. Like I said ( and it was confirmed) they were quirky. They needed some TLC and a good operator. When you loaded a tape in, it would count all the tones and then go one third of the way into the tape. I?have and would remove all the video stuff and use it as an R-90 jukebox. ?? John the Jukebox Man From jay at west.net Mon Jul 27 20:23:09 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jul 27 20:24:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2300S D pricing unit In-Reply-To: <667182.77066.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <667182.77066.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A6E6F1D.1050808@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Does anyone have any info, other then what is printed in the WurliTzer Service Manual about the Dual Pricing Unit used in the 2300S model ? TIA ! Ron Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Mon Jul 27 20:24:49 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Jul 27 20:26:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2300S D pricing unit In-Reply-To: <667182.77066.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <667182.77066.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A6E6F81.8000209@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Does anyone have any info, other then what is printed in the WurliTzer Service Manual about the Dual Pricing Unit used in the 2300S model ? TIA ! Ron Rich What specifically do you want to know? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Trollmasters at webtv.net Mon Jul 27 21:03:46 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Mon Jul 27 21:05:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SEEBURG SHFA5 AMP VOLUME CONTROL In-Reply-To: John Wilson 's message of Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20538-4A6E78A2-15544@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> John, try Vern Tisdale, I think he has some. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Mon Jul 27 22:49:46 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Mon Jul 27 22:51:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SEEBURG SHFA5 AMP VOLUME CONTROL In-Reply-To: <3581.55573.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84238.70383.qm@web96004.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Ron and the team,I bit the bullet and used an evaporating cleaner called CO put out by the CRC company, it is used in the meat industry for cleaning electrical contactors etc. Leaves no residue.. Gave the volume control a good blasting then left it to sit for an hour, it works like a dream not a dead spot or crackle...?Cheers John --- On Tue, 28/7/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SEEBURG SHFA5 AMP VOLUME CONTROL To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 2:37 PM John, If you find some, please let me know--Craig's DeOxIt seems to work fairly well on these-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 7/27/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] SEEBURG SHFA5 AMP VOLUME CONTROL To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:24 PM Hi,In the process of working on my Seeburg DS160, it has a SHFA5 Amplifier........ problem is the volume pot... according to the manual it is item R114 part number 305821 ?(Volume control 1meg ea. sec. ) ?does any body on the list know where I can buy on line ? ?I haven't had much luck cleaning this type of control in the past, once scratchy and completely dead in places they are ready for the scrap heap.Regards John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Tue Jul 28 06:41:59 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Columbus Coin-Op Shop) Date: Tue Jul 28 06:43:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-90 Video Juke In-Reply-To: <920459.14593.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <920459.14593.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003a01ca0f89$300c5050$9024f0f0$@net> Thanks for everyone's responses. Seems the Beta tapes are gonna be this one's downfall. The rest of it seems to work fine. I've converted several cd combo boxes with bad players so I guess I will do the same with this one. Seems like a shame since apparently they didn't make that many of them. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:12 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-90 Video Juke The tone was 1000 cycles. I don't know what you mean by 'your own recorded material', but not many people use the betamax format anymore. If I remember there were 30 (or 40) video selections. Eventually they used 3 different music style tapes. (Rock, C&W, R&B) When the juke was playing an audio selection the monitor could have a commercial ad (Seagram's), which came from the control board(on a custom IC) or an attract mode picture or a message programmed by the operator. Like I said ( and it was confirmed) they were quirky. They needed some TLC and a good operator. When you loaded a tape in, it would count all the tones and then go one third of the way into the tape. I?have and would remove all the video stuff and use it as an R-90 jukebox. ?? John the Jukebox Man _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 08:30:10 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 28 08:31:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SEEBURG SHFA5 AMP VOLUME CONTROL In-Reply-To: <20538-4A6E78A2-15544@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <735489.84426.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Don't bother--never has been re-produced--- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 7/27/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SEEBURG SHFA5 AMP VOLUME CONTROL To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 9:03 PM John, try Vern Tisdale, I think he has some. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chadnelson25 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 28 09:03:52 2009 From: chadnelson25 at hotmail.com (Chad Nelson) Date: Tue Jul 28 09:14:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1494 Wall Mount (STAND NEEDED) Message-ID: Hi, Anyone know where I could find the stand the Rockola 1494 sits on? I have the original wall bracket, but it's bent and rusted. Any help would be so appreciated! Kind regards, Chad _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009 From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jul 28 10:27:54 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Tue Jul 28 10:29:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Message-ID: <992428789.6151201248802074510.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Now that my 2 week stint with the National Guard is over I can finally get back to my toys. I was just north of Ashland NE, for BNCOC. Dana, I think that's your neck of the woods. Nice little camp right on the Platte river. Barracks built on stilts if that' s any indication of how close it is. ...but I digress...on with the business at hand With a little stroke of luck, the City IV is finally spinning disks. Amp needs rebuilt as the bass is very thin. Will post pics and a vid later this week. It is missing the back decorative panel that hides all the electronics. And it looks like, at one time, it had a dollar bill acceptor. The cash credit mech is still there.....just the bill acceptor missing. Does anyone have a lead on either of these parts. Not necessarily needing the bill acceptor, but really interested in the back decorative part. Thanks again...good talking with you. Rich From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 13:10:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 28 13:18:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV In-Reply-To: <992428789.6151201248802074510.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <28550.87627.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, I can't help with the NSM, but I wanted to write and thank-you for your service with the National Guard !? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/28/09, 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV To: "JukeBox" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 10:27 AM Now that my 2 week stint with the National Guard is over I can finally get back to my toys. I was just north of Ashland NE, for BNCOC. Dana, I think that's your neck of the woods. Nice little camp right on the Platte river. Barracks built on stilts if that' s any indication of how close it is. ...but I digress...on with the business at hand With a little stroke of luck, the City IV is finally spinning disks. Amp needs rebuilt as the bass is very thin. Will post pics and a vid later this week. It is missing the back decorative panel that hides all the electronics.. And it looks like, at one time, it had a dollar bill acceptor. The cash credit mech is still there.....just the bill acceptor missing. Does anyone have a lead on either of these parts. Not necessarily needing the bill acceptor, but really interested in the back decorative part. Thanks again...good talking with you. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From scott at steelhouseauctions.com Tue Jul 28 14:01:38 2009 From: scott at steelhouseauctions.com (Scott Plutchok) Date: Tue Jul 28 14:02:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1494 Wall Mount (STAND NEEDED) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chad, Send me a picture of the wall bracket you have. I will look and see if I can find it. Scott > From: chadnelson25@hotmail.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:03:52 -0400 > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1494 Wall Mount (STAND NEEDED) > > > Hi, > > Anyone know where I could find the stand the Rockola 1494 sits on? > > I have the original wall bracket, but it's bent and rusted. > > Any help would be so appreciated! > > Kind regards, > > Chad > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. > http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG From webmaster at guestwho.com Tue Jul 28 14:02:59 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Tue Jul 28 14:04:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacing sockets without drilling Message-ID: <4DE0B2CCD9894A77BD64D291D9F67D9F@CHRISLAPTOP> Hi all, Is it possible to remove 9 pin miniature sockets (just the socket itself) from their chassis mounting and leave the metal tabs attached to the chassis ? The reason I ask is that I am not looking forward to drilling the original rivets and replacing with pop-rivets. I figured maybe I could replace the socket itself without changing the bracket. Chris From chadnelson25 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 28 14:16:34 2009 From: chadnelson25 at hotmail.com (Chad Nelson) Date: Tue Jul 28 14:17:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1494 Wall Mount (STAND NEEDED) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Scott...that's very nice. I have the wall bracket, but it's very old. I'm really looking for the Rockola stand that came with these in lieu of mounting onto the wall. > From: scott@steelhouseauctions.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1494 Wall Mount (STAND NEEDED) > Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:01:38 +0000 > > > Chad, > > Send me a picture of the wall bracket you have. I will look and see if I can find it. > > Scott > > > From: chadnelson25@hotmail.com > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:03:52 -0400 > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1494 Wall Mount (STAND NEEDED) > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Anyone know where I could find the stand the Rockola 1494 sits on? > > > > I have the original wall bracket, but it's bent and rusted. > > > > Any help would be so appreciated! > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Chad > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. > > http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009_______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TXT_MLOGEN_Local_Local_Restaurants_1x1 From edbap at aol.com Tue Jul 28 14:41:29 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 14:42:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Courtesy Chrome- just in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBDDE34CCA93B3-145C-933@WEBMAIL-MY16.sysops.aol.com> Hey all, I just got a package back from Courtesy Chrome in IL.? I sent them the standard Seeburg C set, of 5 items, Keyboard, Select cover, coin in casting, coin return cup, and the long narrow chrome cover on the record rack that shows all the selections.? They did an AWSOME job, I am very happy, cost me $185 plus shipping.? You need to call em and talk to Victor or Roy, and ask for SHOW CHROME, and tell them you want ACID, COPPER, NICKLE and CHROME.? Turnaround time was about 3 weeks. They did 2 sets for me, pretty good cores to start with, Im very happy. Ed Baptista From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jul 28 14:41:59 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Jul 28 14:43:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV In-Reply-To: <28550.87627.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <992428789.6151201248802074510.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <28550.87627.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701ca0fcc$3cfa92c0$b6efb840$@net> Thanks Ron. I appreciate it. If my memory serves correctly, didn?t you also spend some time in the service? I would like to take an opportunity to thank all of you, who came before me, for your service. Without your sacrifices, America would not enjoy the freedoms we so much take for granted. My heartfelt thanks to you all! Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 3:11 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Rich, I can't help with the NSM, but I wanted to write and thank-you for your service with the National Guard !? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/28/09, 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV To: "JukeBox" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 10:27 AM Now that my 2 week stint with the National Guard is over I can finally get back to my toys. I was just north of Ashland NE, for BNCOC. Dana, I think that's your neck of the woods. Nice little camp right on the Platte river. Barracks built on stilts if that' s any indication of how close it is. ...but I digress...on with the business at hand With a little stroke of luck, the City IV is finally spinning disks. Amp needs rebuilt as the bass is very thin. Will post pics and a vid later this week. It is missing the back decorative panel that hides all the electronics.. And it looks like, at one time, it had a dollar bill acceptor. The cash credit mech is still there.....just the bill acceptor missing. Does anyone have a lead on either of these parts. Not necessarily needing the bill acceptor, but really interested in the back decorative part. Thanks again...good talking with you. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.34/2268 - Release Date: 07/28/09 06:00:00 From edbap at aol.com Tue Jul 28 14:45:41 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 14:54:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Courtesy Chrome- just in In-Reply-To: <8CBDDE34CCA93B3-145C-933@WEBMAIL-MY16.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBDDE34CCA93B3-145C-933@WEBMAIL-MY16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBDDE3E2F87B0B-145C-96A@WEBMAIL-MY16.sysops.aol.com> Courtesy Metal Polishing 735 N. Addison Rd Villa Park, IL 60181 (630-832-1862 FAX 630-832-1873 Victor or Roy NO E-mail or website -----Original Message----- From: edbap@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:41 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Courtesy Chrome- just in Hey all, I just got a package back from Courtesy Chrome in IL.? I sent them the standard Seeburg C set, of 5 items, Keyboard, Select cover, coin in casting, coin return cup, and the long narrow chrome cover on the record rack that shows all the selections.? They did an AWSOME job, I am very happy, cost me $185 plus shipping.? You need to call em and talk to Victor or Roy, and ask for SHOW CHROME, and tell them you want ACID, COPPER, NICKLE and CHROME.? Turnaround time was about 3 weeks. They did 2 sets for me, pretty good cores to start with, Im very happy. Ed Baptista _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jul 28 15:18:54 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jul 28 15:21:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacing sockets without drilling Message-ID: <20090728.181854.13898.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Chris: I'm afraid that you are going to need to drill out the rivet mounts and replace them with small-size nuts and bolts. Each tube socket manufacturer made their sockets/mounting brackets somewhat differently. You may possibly get lucky with changing out the socket's phenolic section if you happen to get a replacement socket made by the manufacturer as the original one. If you go to Antique Electronics (web: www.tubesandmore.com) you will find a lot of tube socket types for sale there. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ BUGS? Target them with the best in Pest Control. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTYlQdtkqczcP2B241ZcvpA3nnMJy5WDnISVRvKp2BfarwWCNaU3e/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jul 28 15:32:22 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jul 28 15:35:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Message-ID: <20090728.183222.13898.1@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Hello Rich: Welcome back. Thought you were going to sell this one for parts. I discovered a new NSM vinyl juke parts source recently. They have lots of 80's parts (including cabinet parts) with 4 screens of parts pix on line. This company is in the UK. You'll need to determine how to buy and ship parts to the US and whether it's financially worthwhile. Company web: www.jukeboxparts.co.uk.com Here, John Durfee @ Durfee Coin-Op in MA (web:www.jukeboxparts.com) recently bought a boatload of NSM vinyl parts-donor machines. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click for a wide selection of quality scales. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwFIc8pYcX0MbDMciNRTCAy9rtUZ1XODKuu5fZbcN7emjmr4jge0/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 16:04:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 28 16:05:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV In-Reply-To: <001701ca0fcc$3cfa92c0$b6efb840$@net> Message-ID: <811812.96647.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes--thanks, just a little while--in "peace time"-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 2:41 PM Thanks Ron. I appreciate it.? If my memory serves correctly,? didn?t you also spend some time in the service?? I would like to take an opportunity to thank all of you, who came before me,? for your service.? Without your sacrifices,? America would not enjoy the freedoms we so much take for granted. My heartfelt thanks to you all! Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 3:11 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV Rich, I can't help with the NSM, but I wanted to write and thank-you for your service with the National Guard !? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/28/09, 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City IV To: "JukeBox" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 10:27 AM Now that my 2 week stint with the National Guard is over I can finally get back to my toys. I was just north of Ashland NE, for BNCOC. Dana, I think that's your neck of the woods. Nice little camp right on the Platte river. Barracks built on stilts if that' s any indication of how close it is. ...but I digress...on with the business at hand With a little stroke of luck, the City IV is finally spinning disks. Amp needs rebuilt as the bass is very thin. Will post pics and a vid later this week. It is missing the back decorative panel that hides all the electronics.. And it looks like, at one time, it had a dollar bill acceptor. The cash credit mech is still there.....just the bill acceptor missing. Does anyone have a lead on either of these parts. Not necessarily needing the bill acceptor, but really interested in the back decorative part. Thanks again...good talking with you. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.34/2268 - Release Date: 07/28/09 06:00:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Jul 28 16:46:07 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 16:47:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Courtesy Chrome- just in Message-ID: Did they get all the pits out of the grooves in the keyboard and select cover? I hate seeing chromed keyboards with chromed over pits in the grooves. Wonder if they can redo a previously rechromed keyboard that has this? I dunno who chromed it before. it was an ebay item I thought I was getting something I'd be happy with til I saw the chromed over pits. Naturally it didn't show in the internet pictures. Don't trust rechromed items on ebay .I've gotten stuck with a few and returned the rest paying the returned shipping. Never happy with any of them. I swore them off and am saving some cash for Victor to do what I have. Though I did get an original chrome coin insert with as near to rechromed as you can get chrome on ebay.No pits.Can he high polish something that doesn't need rechroming? J.C. In a message dated 7/28/2009 5:43:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, edbap@aol.com writes: Hey all, I just got a package back from Courtesy Chrome in IL.? I sent them the standard Seeburg C set, of 5 items, Keyboard, Select cover, coin in casting, coin return cup, and the long narrow chrome cover on the record rack that shows all the selections.? They did an AWSOME job, I am very happy, cost me $185 plus shipping.? You need to call em and talk to Victor or Roy, and ask for SHOW CHROME, and tell them you want ACID, COPPER, NICKLE and CHROME.? Turnaround time was about 3 weeks. They did 2 sets for me, pretty good cores to start with, Im very happy. Ed Baptista _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From edbap at aol.com Tue Jul 28 17:07:43 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 17:15:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Courtesy Chrome- just in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBDDF7BAA58424-10E8-108D@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com> Yes, they did a great job.? I have had some previous stuff chromed from them that I was not happy with, but thats why I recommend you tell them you need SHOW CHROME and ACID, COPPER, NICKLE, and CHROME.?? The detail is still there also, they didn't grind it away.? I will use again soon. -----Original Message----- From: Jjmscf@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Courtesy Chrome- just in Did they get all the pits out of the grooves in the keyboard and select cover? I hate seeing chromed keyboards with chromed over pits in the grooves. Wonder if they can redo a previously rechromed keyboard that has this? I dunno who chromed it before. it was an ebay item I thought I was getting something I'd be happy with til I saw the chromed over pits. Naturally it didn't show in the internet pictures. Don't trust rechromed items on ebay .I've gotten stuck with a few and returned the rest paying the returned shipping. Never happy with any of them. I swore them off and am saving some cash for Victor to do what I have. Though I did get an original chrome coin insert with as near to rechromed as you can get chrome on ebay.No pits.Can he high polish something that doesn't need rechroming? J.C. In a message dated 7/28/2009 5:43:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, edbap@aol.com writes: Hey all, I just got a package back from Courtesy Chrome in IL.? I sent them the standard Seeburg C set, of 5 items, Keyboard, Select cover, coin in casting, coin return cup, and the long narrow chrome cover on the record rack that shows all the selections.? They did an AWSOME job, I am very happy, cost me $185 plus shipping.? You need to call em and talk to Victor or Roy, and ask for SHOW CHROME, and tell them you want ACID, COPPER, NICKLE and CHROME.? Turnaround time was about 3 weeks. They did 2 sets for me, pretty good cores to start with, Im very happy. Ed Baptista _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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I highly recommend their 4 procedure method, as it is well worth the cost. Berry Bell On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:07 PM, wrote: > Yes, they did a great job.? I have had some previous stuff chromed from > them that I was not happy with, but thats why I recommend you tell them you > need SHOW CHROME and ACID, COPPER, NICKLE, and CHROME.?? The detail is still > there also, they didn't grind it away.? I will use again soon. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jjmscf@aol.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com > Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:46 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Courtesy Chrome- just in > > > > Did they get all the pits out of the grooves in the keyboard and select > cover? I hate seeing chromed keyboards with chromed over pits in the > grooves. > Wonder if they can redo a previously rechromed keyboard that has this? I > dunno who chromed it before. it was an ebay item I thought I was getting > something I'd be happy with til I saw the chromed over pits. Naturally it > didn't show in the internet pictures. > > Don't trust rechromed items on ebay .I've gotten stuck with a few and > returned the rest paying the returned shipping. Never happy with any of > them. I > > swore them off and am saving some cash for Victor to do what I have. Though > I did get an original chrome coin insert with as near to rechromed as you > can get chrome on ebay.No pits.Can he high polish something that doesn't > need rechroming? > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 7/28/2009 5:43:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > edbap@aol.com writes: > > > Hey all, > I just got a package back from Courtesy Chrome in IL.? I sent them the > standard Seeburg C set, of 5 items, > Keyboard, Select cover, coin in casting, coin return cup, and the long > narrow chrome cover on the record rack that shows all the selections.? > They > did an AWSOME job, I am very happy, cost me $185 plus shipping.? You need > to > call em and talk to Victor or Roy, > and ask for SHOW CHROME, and tell them you want ACID, COPPER, NICKLE and > CHROME.? Turnaround time was about 3 weeks. > They did 2 sets for me, pretty good cores to start with, Im very happy. > Ed Baptista > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://l > ists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Jul 28 18:03:02 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 18:10:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? Message-ID: Yes Its mine and I am wondering if nothing happens by this time tomorrow night I should pull it?I paid over $200 for it but found one in even better cosmetic shape so I didn't rebuild this one. Did I do something wrong? Is everybody on summer vacation? An unrebuilt R selection receiver just went for $338 on ebay 2 weeks ago. _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250470382424&ssPageName= STRK:MESELX:IT_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250470382424&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT) or item no. 250470382424 Maybe I'm getting worried too soon and the snipers are ready to pounce.Its had well over 100 viewers and has 26 watchers. J.C. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From edbap at aol.com Tue Jul 28 18:15:30 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 18:23:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBDE01331BC861-E30-CB6@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> It ain't over till it's over.? Lots of people wait till last min.to place bids.? Hang in there, they will come. -----Original Message----- From: Jjmscf@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:03 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? Yes Its mine and I am wondering if nothing happens by this time tomorrow night I should pull it?I paid over $200 for it but found one in even better cosmetic shape so I didn't rebuild this one. Did I do something wrong? Is everybody on summer vacation? An unrebuilt R selection receiver just went for $338 on ebay 2 weeks ago. _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250470382424&ssPageName= STRK:MESELX:IT_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250470382424&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT) or item no. 250470382424 Maybe I'm getting worried too soon and the snipers are ready to pounce.Its had well over 100 viewers and has 26 watchers. J.C. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 18:40:53 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jul 28 18:41:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? In-Reply-To: <8CBDE01331BC861-E30-CB6@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <56212.28943.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 7/28/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: > It ain't over till it's over.? Lots > of people wait till last min.to place bids.? Hang in there, > they will come. There is zero strategic advantage to showing your interest in an item early on ebay. Unlike a real auction, where people bid and counter-bid; or a silent auction, where each bidder has no idea how many participants there are or what their bids are, an ebay auction is a different animal. On ebay it's a very sound strategy to leave your competitors blissfully ignorant of your existence as an interested party - until the absolute last moment. From jhayes2613 at aol.com Tue Jul 28 18:43:38 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 18:44:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBDE0520BBD035-161C-2F3E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> How many watchers do you have? Has traffic been good? -----Original Message----- From: Jjmscf@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 8:03 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? Yes Its mine and I am wondering if nothing happens by this time tomorrow night I should pull it?I paid over $200 for it but found one in even better cosmetic shape so I didn't rebuild this one. Did I do something wrong? Is everybody on summer vacation? An unrebuilt R selection receiver just went for $338 on ebay 2 weeks ago. _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250470382424&ssPageName= STRK:MESELX:IT_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250470382424&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT) or item no. 250470382424 Maybe I'm getting worried too soon and the snipers are ready to pounce.Its had well over 100 viewers and has 26 watchers. J.C. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Jul 28 18:43:59 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 18:51:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .... Message-ID: Thanks for the encouragement. I haven't sold many jukebox parts on ebay .Bought way too many. I've been trying to downsize my LP collection and finding if it ain't something special don't bother listing it.The record market is saturated with sellers and few buyers(You should have seen the thousands of common MJ records hit the market when he died.)and the economy ain't helping. I've been weeding through what I want to keep and probably gonna just call a dealer to take them off my hands.Far easier than trying to sell over 5000 records myself. J.C. In a message dated 7/28/2009 9:23:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, edbap@aol.com writes: It ain't over till it's over.? Lots of people wait till last min.to place bids.? Hang in there, they will come. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Tue Jul 28 19:28:57 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Tue Jul 28 19:30:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? In-Reply-To: <56212.28943.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <38208.2515.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have seen this before.. my buddy here in Canada does not collect jukes.. he wants the iron.. so he waits til the price is low then buys up old juke amps to make tube hi-fi amps out of them.. (pretty smart I would say).. but needs two to make stereo.. ? ? P.S. I have one of his hi-fi amps.. no Lied.. I have 4.. LOL.. the current one I use everyday is push-pull parralell.. 120 watts rms real power and clean as the day you were born.. I power it with my Carver C-4000 and a pair of Electrovoice speakers (rated at 250 watts rms) Wow.. what a rush! also yes he sells them.. ? regards, Tony (In Canada) --- On Tue, 7/28/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 9:40 PM --- On Tue, 7/28/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: > It ain't over till it's over.? Lots > of people wait till last min.to place bids.? Hang in there, > they will come. There is zero strategic advantage to showing your interest in an item early on ebay.? Unlike a real auction, where people bid and counter-bid; or a silent auction, where each bidder has no idea how many participants there are or what their bids are, an ebay auction is a different animal.? On ebay it's a very sound strategy to leave your competitors blissfully ignorant of your existence as an interested party - until the absolute last moment. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 19:36:56 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 28 19:37:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <656848.813.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Where can one get a repro VC box ?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 6:03 PM Yes Its mine and I am wondering if nothing happens by this time? tomorrow night I should pull it?I paid over $200 for it but found one in? even better cosmetic shape so I didn't rebuild this one. Did I do something wrong? Is everybody on summer vacation? An? unrebuilt R selection receiver just went for $338 on ebay 2 weeks? ago. _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250470382424&ssPageName= STRK:MESELX:IT_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250470382424&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT)? or item no. 250470382424 Maybe I'm getting worried too soon and the snipers are ready to pounce.Its? had well over 100 viewers and has 26 watchers. J.C. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Jul 28 19:37:58 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 19:45:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C 2 different speakers any opinion which sounds the best? Message-ID: I've got 2 jukes and 4 speakers. Can't keep them all. I need room.The Seeburg C manual lists 3 different speakers. I have 2 each of 2 types. I also have a B waiting on the future project list. 1.405242 This appears to be the most common one I see on ebay from time to time. Has 4 holes in the rear frame. 2. 404553 This one resembles a Wurlitzer speaker although it has the correct field coil impedence for a Seeburg. Has 8 smaller holes in the rear frame. Any opinions which sounds the best? J.C. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 19:46:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 28 19:47:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? In-Reply-To: <656848.813.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <633404.89963.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Shipping is what you "did wrong" --shows $51.25---that seems to turn "eBayers" off. When I was selling, I found that stating that "shipping will be at cost, plus x dollars for super packing---" worked much better--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 7:36 PM Where can one get a repro VC box ?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 6:03 PM Yes Its mine and I am wondering if nothing happens by this time? tomorrow night I should pull it?I paid over $200 for it but found one in? even better cosmetic shape so I didn't rebuild this one. Did I do something wrong? Is everybody on summer vacation? An? unrebuilt R selection receiver just went for $338 on ebay 2 weeks? ago. _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250470382424&ssPageName= STRK:MESELX:IT_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250470382424&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT)? or item no. 250470382424 Maybe I'm getting worried too soon and the snipers are ready to pounce.Its? had well over 100 viewers and has 26 watchers. J.C. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Tue Jul 28 19:51:06 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Tue Jul 28 19:52:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? In-Reply-To: <633404.89963.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <407780.15087.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ron: When Ebay scams 26.5% off the top.. you increase the shipping why have those idiots making the $'s off you.. no offence Ebay has been a scam for the last 3 years.. this is the one true way around it.. --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 10:46 PM Shipping is what you "did wrong" --shows $51.25---that seems to turn "eBayers" off. When I was selling, I found that stating that "shipping will be at cost, plus x dollars for super packing---" worked much better--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 7:36 PM Where can one get a repro VC box ?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 6:03 PM Yes Its mine and I am wondering if nothing happens by this time? tomorrow night I should pull it?I paid over $200 for it but found one in? even better cosmetic shape so I didn't rebuild this one. Did I do something wrong? Is everybody on summer vacation? An? unrebuilt R selection receiver just went for $338 on ebay 2 weeks? ago. _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250470382424&ssPageName= STRK:MESELX:IT_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250470382424&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT)? or item no. 250470382424 Maybe I'm getting worried too soon and the snipers are ready to pounce.Its? had well over 100 viewers and has 26 watchers. J.C. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 19:59:32 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jul 28 20:00:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? In-Reply-To: <407780.15087.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <210336.57233.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I know--that's why I have not sold on eBay for years---but high shipping does turn off buyers-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: From: Lala Blah Blah Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 7:51 PM Ron: When Ebay scams 26.5% off the top.. you increase the shipping why have those idiots making the $'s off you.. no offence Ebay has been a scam for the last 3 years.. this is the one true way around it.. --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 10:46 PM Shipping is what you "did wrong" --shows $51.25---that seems to turn "eBayers" off. When I was selling, I found that stating that "shipping will be at cost, plus x dollars for super packing---" worked much better--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 7:36 PM Where can one get a repro VC box ?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 6:03 PM Yes Its mine and I am wondering if nothing happens by this time? tomorrow night I should pull it?I paid over $200 for it but found one in? even better cosmetic shape so I didn't rebuild this one. Did I do something wrong? Is everybody on summer vacation? An? unrebuilt R selection receiver just went for $338 on ebay 2 weeks? ago. _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250470382424&ssPageName= STRK:MESELX:IT_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250470382424&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT)? or item no. 250470382424 Maybe I'm getting worried too soon and the snipers are ready to pounce.Its? had well over 100 viewers and has 26 watchers. J.C. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Jul 28 19:55:27 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 20:02:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .... Message-ID: _https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s34665813.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn;jsessioni d=154a6fb6a993bde/shopdata/0020_Ersatzteile+=28jukebox+parts=29+-+USA/0030_S eeburg/0050_Seeburg+R=2C+J/product_details.shopscript?article=0620_Geh%3DE4u se%2Bf%3DFCr%2BLautst%3DE4rkeregler%2B%3D28volume%2Bcontrol%2Bhousing%3D29%2 B%3D28S%2B060%3D29&startitem=58_ (https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s34665813.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn;jsessionid=154a6fb6a993bde/shopdata/0020_Ersatzteile +=28jukebox+parts=29+-+USA/0030_Seeburg/0050_Seeburg+R=2C+J/product_details. shopscript?article=0620_Geh=E4use+f=FCr+Lautst=E4rkeregler+=28volume+control +housing=29+=28S+060=29&startitem=58) If the link doesn't work go to Stamann Misikboxen website and search for Seeburg R,J parts.Comes up on the 3rd page. Its a shame the selection receiver switch box is welded on or they could probably reproduce that too. Looks nearly identical. J.C. In a message dated 7/28/2009 10:38:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: Where can one get a repro VC box ? Ron Rich **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Jul 28 20:01:20 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 20:08:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .... Message-ID: Shipping is calculated at cost only adding $3 for handling.The thing weighs 25 pounds strapped to a piece of cardboard and California is a long ways from Maryland. Thats probably priority cost listed 1st and regular Parcel Post is also listed.They want you to state shipping cost on your item now. Can't just leave it blank. J.C. In a message dated 7/28/2009 10:48:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: Shipping is what you "did wrong" --shows $51.25---that seems to turn "eBayers" off. When I was selling, I found that stating that "shipping will be at cost, plus x dollars for super packing---" worked much better--Ron Rich **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From edbap at aol.com Tue Jul 28 20:15:00 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 20:22:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C 2 different speakers any opinion which sounds the best? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBDE11E4360831-2BC-1431@WEBMAIL-MY14.sysops.aol.com> Thats funny, I have 2 jukes , a b and a C, and NO speakers! Ed Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Jjmscf@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:37 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C 2 different speakers any opinion which sounds the best? I've got 2 jukes and 4 speakers. Can't keep them all. I need room.The Seeburg C manual lists 3 different speakers. I have 2 each of 2 types. I also have a B waiting on the future project list. 1.405242 This appears to be the most common one I see on ebay from time to time. Has 4 holes in the rear frame. 2. 404553 This one resembles a Wurlitzer speaker although it has the correct field coil impedence for a Seeburg. Has 8 smaller holes in the rear frame. Any opinions which sounds the best? J.C. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From HenlopenTV at aol.com Tue Jul 28 20:16:23 2009 From: HenlopenTV at aol.com (HenlopenTV@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 20:24:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princess Royale 424 problem Message-ID: I work mainly on TV's and consumer electronic items at a thrift store, and we recently got in a Rock-Ola 424 that had been in storage, and now all it does is spin the platter and when a selection is made, a relay clicks but nothing else moves. We do not have the 3(?) manuals that are used when troubleshooting this machine, and are not sure of what it's value would be once (if) repaired. I have checked for loose & broken wires/connections with no real success so far, and all fuses are good. I could use some help getting in the general area of the problem. I have worked on another jukebox several years ago, but this is my first Rock-Ola. The person dropping off the unit said it worked good prior to storage. Normally I would expect some dried up electrolytic capacitors as the culprit, but my confidence is lacking on where to start. We're in Delaware, USA and would appreciate any advice and help offered. Bill **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Jul 28 20:23:16 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 20:24:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .... Message-ID: Seems ebay is still the only way to get exposure for something exotic like jukebox parts. They ain't gonna buy Seeburg parts off of you on Craigslist or the local classifieds unless you are in a major city with lots of jukebox collectors. Anyone know of such a place?...lol. Of course if you're a known parts seller you don't need ebay. I'm just trying to sell surplus parts I no longer need without giving them away. J.C. In a message dated 7/28/2009 10:52:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca writes: Ron: When Ebay scams 26.5% off the top.. you increase the shipping why have those idiots making the $'s off you.. no offence Ebay has been a scam for the last 3 years.. this is the one true way around it.. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Jul 28 20:40:45 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 28 20:47:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princess Royale 424 problem Message-ID: I also work on tvs for a job and jukeboxes as a hobby. I work for Selbyville tv and live nearby. Could take a look at it for you if you'd like. Contact me offlist. It may have a stuck gripper,the most common Rockola problem especially if they have been sitting for a while or it could be something else. Where in Delaware are you? J.C. In a message dated 7/28/2009 11:24:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HenlopenTV@aol.com writes: I work mainly on TV's and consumer electronic items at a thrift store, and we recently got in a Rock-Ola 424 that had been in storage, and now all it does is spin the platter and when a selection is made, a relay clicks but nothing else moves. We do not have the 3(?) manuals that are used when troubleshooting this machine, and are not sure of what it's value would be once (if) repaired. I have checked for loose & broken wires/connections with no real success so far, and all fuses are good. I could use some help getting in the general area of the problem. I have worked on another jukebox several years ago, but this is my first Rock-Ola. The person dropping off the unit said it worked good prior to storage. Normally I would expect some dried up electrolytic capacitors as the culprit, but my confidence is lacking on where to start. We're in Delaware, USA and would appreciate any advice and help offered. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 20:49:06 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jul 28 20:50:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? In-Reply-To: <38208.2515.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <565450.53459.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > I have seen this before.. my buddy > here in Canada does not collect jukes.. he wants the iron.. > so he waits til the price is low then buys up old juke amps > to make tube hi-fi amps out of them.. (pretty smart I would > say).. but needs two to make stereo.. Oh, that's just swell. It's bad enough that we have these imbeciles buying up really great Ampex tape decks, then dumping the transports to sell the amplifiers as a "Cool D () () D !! PHAT TOOOB Mike Preamps!!!" Now we have people doing the same with jukebox amps. Here's a clue to any audioPHOOL who might be reading this: If you want a good stereo amp BUY A GOOD STEREO AMP! Tape deck amps, and now, juke box amps, are no drop in replacement for an amplifier designed for A) Preamp or, B) Power Amp use. This is little better than the Egypian tomb robbers who smashed priceless relics to melt down the gold. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 20:54:40 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jul 28 20:56:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I know the economy is bad but a Seeburg R amp for $10.50 .Why? In-Reply-To: <38208.2515.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <265297.24383.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> BTW, I want to emphatically state that I'm not lashing into Tony (or even, specifically, his friend), but into people in general who engage in the audiophile "bottom feeder" trade. I encounter them in several areas in which I have an interest. From webmaster at guestwho.com Tue Jul 28 21:32:02 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Tue Jul 28 21:35:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacing sockets without drilling In-Reply-To: <20090728.181854.13898.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090728.181854.13898.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <0C997A1477A5479BA1BF0D0044105282@CHRISLAPTOP> Thanks. I looked into replacing original rivets with the same type, but it's not as simple as pop-rivets (needs a $150 punch, etc). I believe they are called tubular rivets? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Replacing sockets without drilling Chris: I'm afraid that you are going to need to drill out the rivet mounts and replace them with small-size nuts and bolts. Each tube socket manufacturer made their sockets/mounting brackets somewhat differently. You may possibly get lucky with changing out the socket's phenolic section if you happen to get a replacement socket made by the manufacturer as the original one. If you go to Antique Electronics (web: www.tubesandmore.com) you will find a lot of tube socket types for sale there. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ BUGS? Target them with the best in Pest Control. 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