From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 1 07:11:00 2009 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (mike) Date: Thu Jan 1 07:12:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... References: <8205-495C12CA-8114@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <8C1EEB4FF256453CBD648A0D1279D015@main> cool - may have to pull the motor from my 750 since its going to be in resto work soon. I assume all those Wurly 78rpm motors are interchangeable? Happy New year btw! MRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... > Probably around 100 bucks I would guess. > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 09:09:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jan 1 09:10:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... In-Reply-To: <8C1EEB4FF256453CBD648A0D1279D015@main> Message-ID: <160343.84003.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> No--they are not interchangeable ! --- On Thu, 1/1/09, mike wrote: From: mike Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 7:11 AM cool - may have to pull the motor from my 750 since its going to be in resto work soon. I assume all those Wurly 78rpm motors are interchangeable? Happy New year btw! MRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... > Probably around 100 bucks I would guess. > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 09:11:26 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jan 1 09:12:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <226613.15937.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mike, They are difficult to find--don't apply any more power to it ! Find a motor shop and it most likely can be repaired. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/31/08, mike wrote: From: mike Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:44 PM ....and I am unsure why it went like it did. Still has some life but is emitting the magic smoke. There doesn't appear to be any undue load on the shaft to the mech, all spins free. Worst case is I may need another motor. What $ will a replacement Wurly motor set me back these days? Mike _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 1 09:24:07 2009 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (mike) Date: Thu Jan 1 09:25:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... References: <226613.15937.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9D707D91ABCD44E39958BF03B6EFAD14@main> Thanks for the advice, I was wondering if it could be rewound. I will confess, what may have pre-empted this was a brief mech jam up on first start. I didn't realize the stop pin assembly had become loose during the move. It was swung into the path of the record tray and upon elevation, caused a jam. I was quick to get it unplugged and manually reverse cycled the motor thru to relieve the bind. However, once cleared and powered back up, the motor now smokes. Will take your advice and find a good motor shop local. Thanks again for responding! MRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... > Mike, > They are difficult to find--don't apply any more power to it ! Find a > motor shop and it most likely can be repaired. Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, mike wrote: > > From: mike > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:44 PM > > ....and I am unsure why it went like it did. Still has some life but is > emitting > the magic smoke. There doesn't appear to be any undue load on the shaft to > the mech, all spins free. Worst case is I may need another motor. > > What $ will a replacement Wurly motor set me back these days? > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 09:33:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jan 1 09:34:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... In-Reply-To: <9D707D91ABCD44E39958BF03B6EFAD14@main> Message-ID: <920837.62383.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mike, You are welcome-- One further tip--add a fuse in series?to the motor leads--Ask the motor shop to determine the maximum amps. drawn by the motor,?while the "start winding" is in use,?after rebuilding, and use a slo-blo type fuse of that value. Let me know what that value is, please. Also, please, if possible, let me know which brand that motor is-- TIA, Ron Rich --- On Thu, 1/1/09, mike wrote: From: mike Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 9:24 AM Thanks for the advice, I was wondering if it could be rewound. I will confess, what may have pre-empted this was a brief mech jam up on first start. I didn't realize the stop pin assembly had become loose during the move. It was swung into the path of the record tray and upon elevation, caused a jam.. I was quick to get it unplugged and manually reverse cycled the motor thru to relieve the bind. However, once cleared and powered back up, the motor now smokes. Will take your advice and find a good motor shop local. Thanks again for responding! MRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... > Mike, > They are difficult to find--don't apply any more power to it ! Find a motor shop and it most likely can be repaired. Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, mike wrote: > > From: mike > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:44 PM > > ....and I am unsure why it went like it did. Still has some life but is emitting > the magic smoke. There doesn't appear to be any undue load on the shaft to > the mech, all spins free. Worst case is I may need another motor. > > What $ will a replacement Wurly motor set me back these days? > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tim at catawbamail.com Thu Jan 1 12:59:20 2009 From: tim at catawbamail.com (Tim Larson) Date: Thu Jan 1 13:00:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue In-Reply-To: <995187.55692.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry got rushed let me clarify.... The quarter drops to the collection bag. It hits the paddle and trips the contact switch. The 2 contact switches on the far left (I assume are 5 cents and 10 cents?) trip one selection only when set off by my finger. The slug mechanism jams on nickels and dimes (they don't drop to the bag and have to be rejected) When the quarter trips the 3rd contact switch it doesn't light the selection. It does not stick and it closes it. The coin register mechanism does not seem to activate the solenoid for the selections. I assume the quarter coil is burned but the 5 and 10 cent doesn't activate either.... Tim Larson Director of Printing Operations Catawba Print & Mail 828-324-2021 ext 302 tim@catawbamail.com Www.catawbamail.com > From: Ron Rich > Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:14:02 -0800 (PST) > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue > > Tim, > What does "works" mean--what does "not" mean?? Does the quarter hit the > correct coin switch?? Does the quarter go into the cashbox ? ?Does the quarter > jam in the rejector? ?Does it hit the swtch and "close it", or "stick" on it?? > ?Is the quarter switch dirty or bent?? Does it "pop" the CB each time you > insert a quarter?? Are there any "coin guides" present under the rejector? Do > you have the correct rejector installed in that housing? Are all four > "mounting pins(special screws)" installed into the rejector--tightly ? Is the > quarter coil burned (in the "Playrack") ? > Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Tim Larson wrote: > > From: Tim Larson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 10:43 AM > > Thanks for the response - the coin switch works for the 10 cent selection > but not the 25 cent selections - checked the switch it seems to be good. > What would be the next step? > Tim Larson > > > > >> From: Jay Hennigan >> Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list >> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:36:34 -0800 >> To: Jukebox mailing list >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >> >> Tim Larson wrote: >>> Hey guys ? hopefully this is a simple problem ?dirty contacts or > fuse....I >>> have the manual but can?t quite understand how to fix this issue: >>> When inserting a quarter I can get selections ? after the selections > I >>> insert another quarter and cannot get it to register any selection (no >>> lights) >>> I can hit the reset in the coin register mechinism and it seems to > work >>> again... So I feel its in that area...any ideas? >> >> It sounds like the coin switch is hanging up closed. Perhaps a gummed >> up switch or coin mechanism, or something mechanically catching the coin. >> >> The coin should fall easily out of the rejector and very briefly tap the >> leaf switch as it drops into the cash bag. The switch should snap back >> quickly. If the coin hangs on the switch (maybe knocked loose by the >> second quarter?) or the switch is gummy, the circuit stays closed too >> long. The circuit breaker trips and has to be manually reset. The >> reset button replaces a fuse that would need to be replaced in earlier >> mechanisms. >> >> The coin switch at the bottom of the rejector completes a circuit to a >> coil in the Playrack. This releases a spring-wound cam to advance to >> the pre-set number of credits. The coil needs to generate a fairly >> powerful magnetic field, so there's quite a bit of current flowing >> through it, but the pulse is supposed to be very brief. The reset >> breaker protects the coil from burning out if the coin switch gets >> stuck, which is what it sounds like is happening in your case. Quarters >> are fairly heavy, it's usually the dimes that get stuck. :-) >> >> -- >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 13:22:07 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jan 1 13:23:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <93769.90261.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tim, >From what you are now?saying, I would not necessarily assume the quarter coil was burned out. You will need to ascertain if the contacts are making on that switch, and the wiring is good to the coil first, or measure the resistance of the quarter coil--It, under ideal circumstances should NOT have burned out !??"Coil protection' is?the purpose of the CB--However, sometimes they will fail to protect as they should, especially if constantly "tripped" and "reset".? If, in fact the coil has burned out, I would replace both the coil and replace the CB with a 1/2 SB fuse. ?Ron Rich --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Tim Larson wrote: From: Tim Larson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue To: "ronnnrich@yahoo.com, Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:59 PM Sorry got rushed let me clarify.... The quarter drops to the collection bag.. It hits the paddle and trips the contact switch. The 2 contact switches on the far left (I assume are 5 cents and 10 cents?) trip one selection only when set off by my finger. The slug mechanism jams on nickels and dimes (they don't drop to the bag and have to be rejected) When the quarter trips the 3rd contact switch it doesn't light the selection. It does not stick and it closes it. The coin register mechanism does not seem to activate the solenoid for the selections. I assume the quarter coil is burned but the 5 and 10 cent doesn't activate either.... Tim Larson Director of Printing Operations Catawba Print & Mail 828-324-2021 ext 302 tim@catawbamail.com Www.catawbamail.com > From: Ron Rich > Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:14:02 -0800 (PST) > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue > > Tim, > What does "works" mean--what does "not" mean?? Does the quarter hit the > correct coin switch?? Does the quarter go into the cashbox ? ?Does the quarter > jam in the rejector? ?Does it hit the swtch and "close it", or "stick" on it?? > ?Is the quarter switch dirty or bent?? Does it "pop" the CB each time you > insert a quarter?? Are there any "coin guides" present under the rejector? Do > you have the correct rejector installed in that housing? Are all four > "mounting pins(special screws)" installed into the rejector--tightly ? Is the > quarter coil burned (in the "Playrack") ? > Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Tim Larson wrote: > > From: Tim Larson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 10:43 AM > > Thanks for the response - the coin switch works for the 10 cent selection > but not the 25 cent selections - checked the switch it seems to be good. > What would be the next step? > Tim Larson > > > > >> From: Jay Hennigan >> Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list >> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:36:34 -0800 >> To: Jukebox mailing list >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >> >> Tim Larson wrote: >>> Hey guys ? hopefully this is a simple problem ?dirty contacts or > fuse....I >>> have the manual but can?t quite understand how to fix this issue: >>> When inserting a quarter I can get selections ? after the selections > I >>> insert another quarter and cannot get it to register any selection (no >>> lights) >>> I can hit the reset in the coin register mechinism and it seems to > work >>> again... So I feel its in that area...any ideas? >> >> It sounds like the coin switch is hanging up closed. Perhaps a gummed >> up switch or coin mechanism, or something mechanically catching the coin. >> >> The coin should fall easily out of the rejector and very briefly tap the >> leaf switch as it drops into the cash bag. The switch should snap back >> quickly. If the coin hangs on the switch (maybe knocked loose by the >> second quarter?) or the switch is gummy, the circuit stays closed too >> long. The circuit breaker trips and has to be manually reset. The >> reset button replaces a fuse that would need to be replaced in earlier >> mechanisms. >> >> The coin switch at the bottom of the rejector completes a circuit to a >> coil in the Playrack. This releases a spring-wound cam to advance to >> the pre-set number of credits. The coil needs to generate a fairly >> powerful magnetic field, so there's quite a bit of current flowing >> through it, but the pulse is supposed to be very brief. The reset >> breaker protects the coil from burning out if the coin switch gets >> stuck, which is what it sounds like is happening in your case. Quarters >> are fairly heavy, it's usually the dimes that get stuck. :-) >> >> -- >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gpatter4 at alltel.net Fri Jan 2 06:15:53 2009 From: gpatter4 at alltel.net (gpatter4@alltel.net) Date: Fri Jan 2 06:16:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Email change Message-ID: <20090102081553.I2IGW.634674.root@ispmxfep13-z01> Please kindly change my email address from; gpatter4@alltel.net to gpatter4@windstream.net Thank you, Gary From steve at pro-ns.net Fri Jan 2 11:26:13 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Fri Jan 2 11:39:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 Amp (R-145) rebuild tale (LONG) Message-ID: <20090102192613.GD18516@pro-ns.net> Hey, Jukers, This is the story of my first amp rebuild. I've probably got a point or two for others considering doing this themselves, and a question or two for the veterans as well. I do have previous electronics and soldering experience, but 99.9% of it has been transistor and digital electronics stuff, with printed circuit boards and voltages topping out around 12v. So I was a bit nervous! A while back (2+ years ago?) I mentioned to this list that my F 120 was developing a "hum", and that the amp had not been rebuilt, and the consensus was that it should be done. I ordered a capacitor kit, and the right wattage soldering iron, but didn't get to the project until now. In the meantime the amp developed enough hum that I unplugged it from the junction box and left the jukebox dormant for 6+ months. I had some time off from work during the holidays here, and finally dived in and gave it a go. I now certainly understand why many people have others do this for them. For me, it's a hobby, and I stubbornly insist to myself it's supposed to be a learning experience. It sure was. :-) I found the most dificult part was substituting the modern electrolytics for the multi-capacitor cans that are mounted on the chassis. A big part of the problem is the old capacitor lugs are fixed in place, and used as tie points to support other components. I wish I could wave a magic wand to disconnect the old capacitor lugs from the old capacitors, but still leave the lugs there as physical tie points. These particular capacitors were apparently riveted into place (or at least a support plate was?), and the grounded twist lugs on the cans had the ground points of many other components soldered to them, so physically removing the capacitors, either to just remove their guts, or to try and hide the new caps inside the old cans, looked like more effort than I wanted to undertake. I ended up buying some 5 tie-point terminal strips from Radio Shack, cutting them down as appropriate, and mounting them using the screws that hold the transformers to the chassis. This meant my new connection points were sometimes a good distance from the original capacitor lugs, and a couple of things didn't reach. I ended up doing a flying splice or two, which I covered with heat shrink tubing for insulation. (I left the old can caps in place, but clipped off the now unused, non-ground lugs, as they looked horrible after I was done unsoldering things from them.) Question one for the veterans: In hindsight, many connections would have worked better if I could have placed the tie strips where the old capacitors are, for instance by soldering the support lug to one of the old capacitor's lugs, or perhaps using a wood screw to screw it directly into the bottom of the old capacitor. Has anyone ever tried something like that? Or have a better strategy for getting the new tie points near their original location? Another thing I found myself doing in five or so places was taking some new insulated hook up wire, stripping it, and using the stripped insulation over the bare wire legs of the new components. There was already a somewhat deteriorated rubber tube like this over some of the original connections, and I used it over a few more, like where the high voltage capacitor connections were running to new tie points. I hadn't heard of anyone else doing this, so I thought I'd mention it. Even though the capacitor kit came with all capacitors, I replaced only the electrolytic, paper, and plastic-tube capacitors; I did not replace any of the ceramic disc capacitors. I've read before that these are unlikely to fail. Did I do the right thing here? I also did not unsolder and check every resistor, but I did check those that had one end free after a capacitor was disconnected. All were well within tolerance. After I was done, I waited a day, then double- and triple-checked my work against the original schematic (did I mention being nervous around these higher voltages?). I then hooked it up to the jukebox and turned it on, first with no tubes whatsoever, then with all tubes in place. For a short time I was elated that there was no smoke! But quickly after that I was disappointed that the HUM WAS STILL PRESENT. GRRR. &(*&*($^&&$%$. So, I was composing a message to all of you for advice on what the problem might be, and as I was running through the questions you might want answers to, I got to "does the hum loudness vary with the volume control, or stay constant?" I turned the volume control, and the sound starts to crackle and the hum goes in and out. So I run the volume control back and forth a few times to clean it, and the hum is GONE!!! Now I don't know if the volume control was the problem all along!?! I don't remember if I ever tried moving it since the hum showed up, just assumed it was the caps... In the long run, I assume it was probably good to get the caps changed out anyway. Sorry this message is so long, but I don't see a lot I can edit back out of it. I guess I just never learned to write short. :-) Happy New Year, everyone! --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net /* Halley */ (Halley's comment.) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 13:35:59 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jan 2 13:37:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 Amp (R-145) rebuild tale (LONG) In-Reply-To: <20090102192613.GD18516@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <379857.40557.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Steve, Looks to me that you "done good"--You just gtta make em fit, anyway you can, as neat as you can. No, you donna wanna "drill no?holes, and use wood screws" in the cans--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Steve Wahl wrote: From: Steve Wahl Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 Amp (R-145) rebuild tale (LONG) To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 11:26 AM Hey, Jukers, This is the story of my first amp rebuild. I've probably got a point or two for others considering doing this themselves, and a question or two for the veterans as well. I do have previous electronics and soldering experience, but 99.9% of it has been transistor and digital electronics stuff, with printed circuit boards and voltages topping out around 12v. So I was a bit nervous! A while back (2+ years ago?) I mentioned to this list that my F 120 was developing a "hum", and that the amp had not been rebuilt, and the consensus was that it should be done. I ordered a capacitor kit, and the right wattage soldering iron, but didn't get to the project until now. In the meantime the amp developed enough hum that I unplugged it from the junction box and left the jukebox dormant for 6+ months. I had some time off from work during the holidays here, and finally dived in and gave it a go. I now certainly understand why many people have others do this for them. For me, it's a hobby, and I stubbornly insist to myself it's supposed to be a learning experience. It sure was. :-) I found the most dificult part was substituting the modern electrolytics for the multi-capacitor cans that are mounted on the chassis. A big part of the problem is the old capacitor lugs are fixed in place, and used as tie points to support other components. I wish I could wave a magic wand to disconnect the old capacitor lugs from the old capacitors, but still leave the lugs there as physical tie points. These particular capacitors were apparently riveted into place (or at least a support plate was?), and the grounded twist lugs on the cans had the ground points of many other components soldered to them, so physically removing the capacitors, either to just remove their guts, or to try and hide the new caps inside the old cans, looked like more effort than I wanted to undertake. I ended up buying some 5 tie-point terminal strips from Radio Shack, cutting them down as appropriate, and mounting them using the screws that hold the transformers to the chassis. This meant my new connection points were sometimes a good distance from the original capacitor lugs, and a couple of things didn't reach. I ended up doing a flying splice or two, which I covered with heat shrink tubing for insulation. (I left the old can caps in place, but clipped off the now unused, non-ground lugs, as they looked horrible after I was done unsoldering things from them.) Question one for the veterans: In hindsight, many connections would have worked better if I could have placed the tie strips where the old capacitors are, for instance by soldering the support lug to one of the old capacitor's lugs, or perhaps using a wood screw to screw it directly into the bottom of the old capacitor. Has anyone ever tried something like that? Or have a better strategy for getting the new tie points near their original location? Another thing I found myself doing in five or so places was taking some new insulated hook up wire, stripping it, and using the stripped insulation over the bare wire legs of the new components. There was already a somewhat deteriorated rubber tube like this over some of the original connections, and I used it over a few more, like where the high voltage capacitor connections were running to new tie points. I hadn't heard of anyone else doing this, so I thought I'd mention it. Even though the capacitor kit came with all capacitors, I replaced only the electrolytic, paper, and plastic-tube capacitors; I did not replace any of the ceramic disc capacitors. I've read before that these are unlikely to fail. Did I do the right thing here? I also did not unsolder and check every resistor, but I did check those that had one end free after a capacitor was disconnected. All were well within tolerance. After I was done, I waited a day, then double- and triple-checked my work against the original schematic (did I mention being nervous around these higher voltages?). I then hooked it up to the jukebox and turned it on, first with no tubes whatsoever, then with all tubes in place. For a short time I was elated that there was no smoke! But quickly after that I was disappointed that the HUM WAS STILL PRESENT. GRRR. &(*&*($^&&$%$. So, I was composing a message to all of you for advice on what the problem might be, and as I was running through the questions you might want answers to, I got to "does the hum loudness vary with the volume control, or stay constant?" I turned the volume control, and the sound starts to crackle and the hum goes in and out. So I run the volume control back and forth a few times to clean it, and the hum is GONE!!! Now I don't know if the volume control was the problem all along!?! I don't remember if I ever tried moving it since the hum showed up, just assumed it was the caps... In the long run, I assume it was probably good to get the caps changed out anyway. Sorry this message is so long, but I don't see a lot I can edit back out of it. I guess I just never learned to write short. :-) Happy New Year, everyone! --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net /* Halley */ (Halley's comment.) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 2 14:34:54 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 2 14:36:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F120 Amp (R-145) rebuild tale (LONG) Message-ID: <20090102.173454.6681.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hello Steve: >From your description, it sounds like you've gotten through the rebuild of your point-to-point wired amplifier in good order. Here are a few ideas to consider for next time: Disc-type and ceramic capacitors do fail with time, but they typically last longer than paper and 'lytic type caps. Using the barrier-strip tie points is a valid construction technique to mount the single, tubular type electrolytic caps, needed to replace the multi-section can-type units. Fresh-stock can type capacitors are still available in a few configurations and values but these are disappearing. Leave the unused old can capacitors in place on the chassis for a "nice"appearance from the top. There is not a problem soldering the terminal strip tie down lugs to the unused terminals of the can capacitors. Many servicers use this technique. Take care to make sure that high voltage conductors are insulated and do not touch the chassis. When possible, try to position electronic components so that you're introducing a minimal number of new in-line splices into the wiring. If you have to add wiring, try to maintain the same wire-guage and color scheme used by the amp manufacturer. Wire terminal strips, hook-up wire and electronic wire management hardware can be found in many more types/varieties if you check out an electronic parts wholesale house, instead of limiting your shopping choice to Radio Shack. Hum problems can be caused by numerous sources, not just bad power supply electrolytic capacitirs. I'm glad that you were able to tackle your problem. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1241/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 From tim at catawbamail.com Fri Jan 2 14:52:41 2009 From: tim at catawbamail.com (Tim Larson) Date: Fri Jan 2 14:53:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue In-Reply-To: <93769.90261.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ron - until I can get back to it I have jumped the key switch to continual play... Tim Larson Director of Printing Operations Catawba Print & Mail 828-324-2021 ext 302 tim@catawbamail.com Www.catawbamail.com > From: Ron Rich > Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list > > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:22:07 -0800 (PST) > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue > > Tim, >> From what you are now?saying, I would not necessarily assume the quarter coil >> was burned out. You will need to ascertain if the contacts are making on that >> switch, and the wiring is good to the coil first, or measure the resistance >> of the quarter coil--It, under ideal circumstances should NOT have burned out >> !??"Coil protection' is?the purpose of the CB--However, sometimes they will >> fail to protect as they should, especially if constantly "tripped" and >> "reset".? If, in fact the coil has burned out, I would replace both the coil >> and replace the CB with a 1/2 SB fuse. ?Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Tim Larson wrote: > > From: Tim Larson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue > To: "ronnnrich@yahoo.com, Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:59 PM > > Sorry got rushed let me clarify.... The quarter drops to the collection bag.. > It hits the paddle and trips the contact switch. The 2 contact switches on > the far left (I assume are 5 cents and 10 cents?) trip one selection only > when set off by my finger. The slug mechanism jams on nickels and dimes > (they don't drop to the bag and have to be rejected) When the quarter trips > the 3rd contact switch it doesn't light the selection. It does not stick > and > it closes it. > The coin register mechanism does not seem to activate the solenoid for the > selections. I assume the quarter coil is burned but the 5 and 10 cent > doesn't activate either.... > Tim Larson > Director of Printing Operations > Catawba Print & Mail > 828-324-2021 ext 302 > tim@catawbamail.com > Www.catawbamail.com > > > >> From: Ron Rich >> Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list >> >> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:14:02 -0800 (PST) >> To: Jukebox mailing list >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >> >> Tim, >> What does "works" mean--what does "not" mean?? Does > the quarter hit the >> correct coin switch?? Does the quarter go into the cashbox ? ?Does the > quarter >> jam in the rejector? ?Does it hit the swtch and "close it", or > "stick" on it?? >> ?Is the quarter switch dirty or bent?? Does it "pop" the CB > each time you >> insert a quarter?? Are there any "coin guides" present under > the rejector? Do >> you have the correct rejector installed in that housing? Are all four >> "mounting pins(special screws)" installed into the > rejector--tightly ? Is the >> quarter coil burned (in the "Playrack") ? >> Ron Rich >> >> --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Tim Larson wrote: >> >> From: Tim Larson >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 10:43 AM >> >> Thanks for the response - the coin switch works for the 10 cent selection >> but not the 25 cent selections - checked the switch it seems to be good. >> What would be the next step? >> Tim Larson >> >> >> >> >>> From: Jay Hennigan >>> Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list >>> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:36:34 -0800 >>> To: Jukebox mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >>> >>> Tim Larson wrote: >>>> Hey guys ? hopefully this is a simple problem ?dirty contacts or >> fuse....I >>>> have the manual but can?t quite understand how to fix this issue: >>>> When inserting a quarter I can get selections ? after the > selections >> I >>>> insert another quarter and cannot get it to register any selection > (no >>>> lights) >>>> I can hit the reset in the coin register mechinism and it seems to >> work >>>> again... So I feel its in that area...any ideas? >>> >>> It sounds like the coin switch is hanging up closed. Perhaps a gummed >>> up switch or coin mechanism, or something mechanically catching the > coin. >>> >>> The coin should fall easily out of the rejector and very briefly tap > the >>> leaf switch as it drops into the cash bag. The switch should snap > back >>> quickly. If the coin hangs on the switch (maybe knocked loose by the >>> second quarter?) or the switch is gummy, the circuit stays closed too >>> long. The circuit breaker trips and has to be manually reset. The >>> reset button replaces a fuse that would need to be replaced in earlier >>> mechanisms. >>> >>> The coin switch at the bottom of the rejector completes a circuit to a >>> coil in the Playrack. This releases a spring-wound cam to advance to >>> the pre-set number of credits. The coil needs to generate a fairly >>> powerful magnetic field, so there's quite a bit of current flowing >>> through it, but the pulse is supposed to be very brief. The reset >>> breaker protects the coil from burning out if the coin switch gets >>> stuck, which is what it sounds like is happening in your case. > Quarters >>> are fairly heavy, it's usually the dimes that get stuck. :-) >>> >>> -- >>> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >>> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >>> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 16:44:12 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jan 2 16:45:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <508498.90730.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tim, Jumping the key switch is not a "good idea", as it tends to put undo pressure on the whole "subtract " system. It is much better to remove that long spring that wraps around the "wheel" and re-wrap it,?so it biases the wheel in the other direction.? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Tim Larson wrote: From: Tim Larson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue To: "ronnnrich@yahoo.com, Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 2:52 PM Thanks Ron - until I can get back to it I have jumped the key switch to continual play... Tim Larson Director of Printing Operations Catawba Print & Mail 828-324-2021 ext 302 tim@catawbamail.com Www.catawbamail.com > From: Ron Rich > Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list > > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:22:07 -0800 (PST) > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue > > Tim, >> From what you are now?saying, I would not necessarily assume the quarter coil >> was burned out. You will need to ascertain if the contacts are making on that >> switch, and the wiring is good to the coil first, or measure the resistance >> of the quarter coil--It, under ideal circumstances should NOT have burned out >> !??"Coil protection' is?the purpose of the CB--However, sometimes they will >> fail to protect as they should, especially if constantly "tripped" and >> "reset".? If, in fact the coil has burned out, I would replace both the coil >> and replace the CB with a 1/2 SB fuse. ?Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Tim Larson wrote: > > From: Tim Larson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue > To: "ronnnrich@yahoo.com, Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:59 PM > > Sorry got rushed let me clarify.... The quarter drops to the collection bag.. > It hits the paddle and trips the contact switch. The 2 contact switches on > the far left (I assume are 5 cents and 10 cents?) trip one selection only > when set off by my finger. The slug mechanism jams on nickels and dimes > (they don't drop to the bag and have to be rejected) When the quarter trips > the 3rd contact switch it doesn't light the selection. It does not stick > and > it closes it. > The coin register mechanism does not seem to activate the solenoid for the > selections. I assume the quarter coil is burned but the 5 and 10 cent > doesn't activate either.... > Tim Larson > Director of Printing Operations > Catawba Print & Mail > 828-324-2021 ext 302 > tim@catawbamail.com > Www.catawbamail.com > > > >> From: Ron Rich >> Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list >> >> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:14:02 -0800 (PST) >> To: Jukebox mailing list >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >> >> Tim, >> What does "works" mean--what does "not" mean?? Does > the quarter hit the >> correct coin switch?? Does the quarter go into the cashbox ? ?Does the > quarter >> jam in the rejector? ?Does it hit the swtch and "close it", or > "stick" on it?? >> ?Is the quarter switch dirty or bent?? Does it "pop" the CB > each time you >> insert a quarter?? Are there any "coin guides" present under > the rejector? Do >> you have the correct rejector installed in that housing? Are all four >> "mounting pins(special screws)" installed into the > rejector--tightly ? Is the >> quarter coil burned (in the "Playrack") ? >> Ron Rich >> >> --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Tim Larson wrote: >> >> From: Tim Larson >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 10:43 AM >> >> Thanks for the response - the coin switch works for the 10 cent selection >> but not the 25 cent selections - checked the switch it seems to be good. >> What would be the next step? >> Tim Larson >> >> >> >> >>> From: Jay Hennigan >>> Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list >>> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:36:34 -0800 >>> To: Jukebox mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >>> >>> Tim Larson wrote: >>>> Hey guys ? hopefully this is a simple problem ?dirty contacts or >> fuse....I >>>> have the manual but can?t quite understand how to fix this issue: >>>> When inserting a quarter I can get selections ? after the > selections >> I >>>> insert another quarter and cannot get it to register any selection > (no >>>> lights) >>>> I can hit the reset in the coin register mechinism and it seems to >> work >>>> again... So I feel its in that area...any ideas? >>> >>> It sounds like the coin switch is hanging up closed. Perhaps a gummed >>> up switch or coin mechanism, or something mechanically catching the > coin. >>> >>> The coin should fall easily out of the rejector and very briefly tap > the >>> leaf switch as it drops into the cash bag. The switch should snap > back >>> quickly. If the coin hangs on the switch (maybe knocked loose by the >>> second quarter?) or the switch is gummy, the circuit stays closed too >>> long. The circuit breaker trips and has to be manually reset. The >>> reset button replaces a fuse that would need to be replaced in earlier >>> mechanisms. >>> >>> The coin switch at the bottom of the rejector completes a circuit to a >>> coil in the Playrack. This releases a spring-wound cam to advance to >>> the pre-set number of credits. The coil needs to generate a fairly >>> powerful magnetic field, so there's quite a bit of current flowing >>> through it, but the pulse is supposed to be very brief. The reset >>> breaker protects the coil from burning out if the coin switch gets >>> stuck, which is what it sounds like is happening in your case. > Quarters >>> are fairly heavy, it's usually the dimes that get stuck. :-) >>> >>> -- >>> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >>> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >>> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From medina115 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 2 17:55:08 2009 From: medina115 at hotmail.com (Mike Medina) Date: Fri Jan 2 17:56:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Again With The Questions - M100A Message-ID: Hello again, and happy new year! I am absolutely stumped and I hope some of you can help. My box wasn't working right (see earlier posts if so inclined) and I hadn't had the time to check on the items that were suggested to me. So, upon finally having time to attempt to work on it, I plugged the box in, turned it on and without my even doing anything, the situation worsened. I still have the continuous-side-rejecting problem and the no-scan problem, but now, in addition, there is a mechanical "snap" that I think is coming from the trip lever and then a buzzing from the trip relay during the cycle as well. I am at a total loss as to where to begin looking now. I don't want to keep running the machine for fear of burning out a relay or switch stack. I took videos of the action with the hope that they will articulate the problem better than I can. The problem is the same with a record in place or without; the magazine and back door of the box have been removed so I can access the back of the mechanism. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff185/theincrowdband/?action=view¤t=MVI_2915.flv http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff185/theincrowdband/?action=view¤t=MVI_2937.flv http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff185/theincrowdband/?action=view¤t=MVI_2936.flv Thank you again for all the advice and help. -Mike _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ From tim at catawbamail.com Fri Jan 2 18:14:29 2009 From: tim at catawbamail.com (Tim Larson) Date: Fri Jan 2 18:15:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue In-Reply-To: <508498.90730.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks I will do that- someone suggested rigging the free play switch to stationary on - will that do harm? Tim Larson Director of Printing Operations Catawba Print & Mail 828-324-2021 ext 302 tim@catawbamail.com Www.catawbamail.com > From: Ron Rich > Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list > > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:44:12 -0800 (PST) > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue > > Tim, > Jumping the key switch is not a "good idea", as it tends to put undo pressure > on the whole "subtract " system. It is much better to remove that long spring > that wraps around the "wheel" and re-wrap it,?so it biases the wheel in the > other direction.? Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Tim Larson wrote: > > From: Tim Larson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue > To: "ronnnrich@yahoo.com, Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 2:52 PM > > Thanks Ron - until I can get back to it I have jumped the key switch to > continual play... > Tim Larson > Director of Printing Operations > Catawba Print & Mail > 828-324-2021 ext 302 > tim@catawbamail.com > Www.catawbamail.com > > > >> From: Ron Rich >> Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list >> >> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:22:07 -0800 (PST) >> To: Jukebox mailing list >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >> >> Tim, >>> From what you are now?saying, I would not necessarily assume the > quarter coil >>> was burned out. You will need to ascertain if the contacts are making > on that >>> switch, and the wiring is good to the coil first, or measure the > resistance >>> of the quarter coil--It, under ideal circumstances should NOT have > burned out >>> !??"Coil protection' is?the purpose of the CB--However, > sometimes they will >>> fail to protect as they should, especially if constantly > "tripped" and >>> "reset".? If, in fact the coil has burned out, I would > replace both the coil >>> and replace the CB with a 1/2 SB fuse. ?Ron Rich >> >> --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Tim Larson wrote: >> >> From: Tim Larson >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >> To: "ronnnrich@yahoo.com, Jukebox mailing list" >> >> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:59 PM >> >> Sorry got rushed let me clarify.... The quarter drops to the collection > bag.. >> It hits the paddle and trips the contact switch. The 2 contact switches on >> the far left (I assume are 5 cents and 10 cents?) trip one selection only >> when set off by my finger. The slug mechanism jams on nickels and dimes >> (they don't drop to the bag and have to be rejected) When the quarter > trips >> the 3rd contact switch it doesn't light the selection. It does not > stick >> and >> it closes it. >> The coin register mechanism does not seem to activate the solenoid for the >> selections. I assume the quarter coil is burned but the 5 and 10 cent >> doesn't activate either.... >> Tim Larson >> Director of Printing Operations >> Catawba Print & Mail >> 828-324-2021 ext 302 >> tim@catawbamail.com >> Www.catawbamail.com >> >> >> >>> From: Ron Rich >>> Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list >>> >>> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:14:02 -0800 (PST) >>> To: Jukebox mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >>> >>> Tim, >>> What does "works" mean--what does "not" mean?? > Does >> the quarter hit the >>> correct coin switch?? Does the quarter go into the cashbox ? ?Does > the >> quarter >>> jam in the rejector? ?Does it hit the swtch and "close it", > or >> "stick" on it?? >>> ?Is the quarter switch dirty or bent?? Does it "pop" the > CB >> each time you >>> insert a quarter?? Are there any "coin guides" present > under >> the rejector? Do >>> you have the correct rejector installed in that housing? Are all four >>> "mounting pins(special screws)" installed into the >> rejector--tightly ? Is the >>> quarter coil burned (in the "Playrack") ? >>> Ron Rich >>> >>> --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Tim Larson wrote: >>> >>> From: Tim Larson >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> >>> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 10:43 AM >>> >>> Thanks for the response - the coin switch works for the 10 cent > selection >>> but not the 25 cent selections - checked the switch it seems to be > good. >>> What would be the next step? >>> Tim Larson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Jay Hennigan >>>> Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list > >>>> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:36:34 -0800 >>>> To: Jukebox mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >>>> >>>> Tim Larson wrote: >>>>> Hey guys ? hopefully this is a simple problem ?dirty > contacts or >>> fuse....I >>>>> have the manual but can?t quite understand how to fix this > issue: >>>>> When inserting a quarter I can get selections ? after the >> selections >>> I >>>>> insert another quarter and cannot get it to register any > selection >> (no >>>>> lights) >>>>> I can hit the reset in the coin register mechinism and it > seems to >>> work >>>>> again... So I feel its in that area...any ideas? >>>> >>>> It sounds like the coin switch is hanging up closed. Perhaps a > gummed >>>> up switch or coin mechanism, or something mechanically catching > the >> coin. >>>> >>>> The coin should fall easily out of the rejector and very briefly > tap >> the >>>> leaf switch as it drops into the cash bag. The switch should snap >> back >>>> quickly. If the coin hangs on the switch (maybe knocked loose by > the >>>> second quarter?) or the switch is gummy, the circuit stays closed > too >>>> long. The circuit breaker trips and has to be manually reset. > The >>>> reset button replaces a fuse that would need to be replaced in > earlier >>>> mechanisms. >>>> >>>> The coin switch at the bottom of the rejector completes a circuit > to a >>>> coil in the Playrack. This releases a spring-wound cam to > advance to >>>> the pre-set number of credits. The coil needs to generate a > fairly >>>> powerful magnetic field, so there's quite a bit of current > flowing >>>> through it, but the pulse is supposed to be very brief. The reset >>>> breaker protects the coil from burning out if the coin switch gets >>>> stuck, which is what it sounds like is happening in your case. >> Quarters >>>> are fairly heavy, it's usually the dimes that get stuck. :-) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >>>> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >>>> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Fri Jan 2 20:24:27 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Jan 2 20:25:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Again With The Questions - M100A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495EE87B.7010806@telus.net> Mike Medina wrote: > > Hello again, and happy new year! > > I am absolutely stumped and I hope some of you can help. My box wasn't working right (see earlier posts if so inclined) and I hadn't had the time to check on the items that were suggested to me. So, upon finally having time to attempt to work on it, I plugged the box in, turned it on and without my even doing anything, the situation worsened. I still have the continuous-side-rejecting problem and the no-scan problem, but now, in addition, there is a mechanical "snap" that I think is coming from the trip lever and then a buzzing from the trip relay during the cycle as well. > > I am at a total loss as to where to begin looking now. I don't want to keep running the machine for fear of burning out a relay or switch stack. > > I took videos of the action with the hope that they will articulate the problem better than I can. The problem is the same with a record in place or without; the magazine and back door of the box have been removed so I can access the back of the mechanism. > > http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff185/theincrowdband/?action=view¤t=MVI_2915.flv > http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff185/theincrowdband/?action=view¤t=MVI_2937.flv > http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff185/theincrowdband/?action=view¤t=MVI_2936.flv > > Thank you again for all the advice and help. > -Mike > > _ Hi Mike, Well, first of all you need to block the switches on the stripper plate that register if a record is in place or not. I use a "U" shaped bit of paper to isolate both outer blades from the moving center blade. This wil stop the machine from canceling because there is no record clamped. Next, have you gone over the adjustments from start to finish as shown in the manual. Is the clutch assembly clean and no trace of gummyness? Have you oiled the machine? Another cause of record rejection is if the search block is not aligned correctly. The machine will reject if the detect pins are not just past the tripped levers of the side 1/2 selections. You are unlikely to burn anything out as long as the machine is adjusted according to the manual. Watch how it operates and listen for what is happening. If one side works correctly study how the sequence happens and compare that with the side tha tis not working correctly. Hard to give a school on the M100A via email, however I expect to be restoring another one in the next month or so and we can discus yours in comparison to a working machine then. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 20:41:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jan 2 20:42:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <822987.36102.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tim, IMHO--wrong ! --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Tim Larson wrote: From: Tim Larson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue To: "ronnnrich@yahoo.com, Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 6:14 PM Thanks I will do that- someone suggested rigging the free play switch to stationary on - will that do harm? Tim Larson Director of Printing Operations Catawba Print & Mail 828-324-2021 ext 302 tim@catawbamail.com Www.catawbamail.com > From: Ron Rich > Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list > > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:44:12 -0800 (PST) > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue > > Tim, > Jumping the key switch is not a "good idea", as it tends to put undo pressure > on the whole "subtract " system. It is much better to remove that long spring > that wraps around the "wheel" and re-wrap it,?so it biases the wheel in the > other direction.? Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Tim Larson wrote: > > From: Tim Larson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue > To: "ronnnrich@yahoo.com, Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 2:52 PM > > Thanks Ron - until I can get back to it I have jumped the key switch to > continual play... > Tim Larson > Director of Printing Operations > Catawba Print & Mail > 828-324-2021 ext 302 > tim@catawbamail.com > Www.catawbamail.com > > > >> From: Ron Rich >> Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list >> >> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:22:07 -0800 (PST) >> To: Jukebox mailing list >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >> >> Tim, >>> From what you are now?saying, I would not necessarily assume the > quarter coil >>> was burned out. You will need to ascertain if the contacts are making > on that >>> switch, and the wiring is good to the coil first, or measure the > resistance >>> of the quarter coil--It, under ideal circumstances should NOT have > burned out >>> !??"Coil protection' is?the purpose of the CB--However, > sometimes they will >>> fail to protect as they should, especially if constantly > "tripped" and >>> "reset".? If, in fact the coil has burned out, I would > replace both the coil >>> and replace the CB with a 1/2 SB fuse. ?Ron Rich >> >> --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Tim Larson wrote: >> >> From: Tim Larson >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >> To: "ronnnrich@yahoo.com, Jukebox mailing list" >> >> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:59 PM >> >> Sorry got rushed let me clarify.... The quarter drops to the collection > bag.. >> It hits the paddle and trips the contact switch. The 2 contact switches on >> the far left (I assume are 5 cents and 10 cents?) trip one selection only >> when set off by my finger. The slug mechanism jams on nickels and dimes >> (they don't drop to the bag and have to be rejected) When the quarter > trips >> the 3rd contact switch it doesn't light the selection. It does not > stick >> and >> it closes it. >> The coin register mechanism does not seem to activate the solenoid for the >> selections. I assume the quarter coil is burned but the 5 and 10 cent >> doesn't activate either.... >> Tim Larson >> Director of Printing Operations >> Catawba Print & Mail >> 828-324-2021 ext 302 >> tim@catawbamail.com >> Www.catawbamail.com >> >> >> >>> From: Ron Rich >>> Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list >>> >>> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:14:02 -0800 (PST) >>> To: Jukebox mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >>> >>> Tim, >>> What does "works" mean--what does "not" mean?? > Does >> the quarter hit the >>> correct coin switch?? Does the quarter go into the cashbox ? ?Does > the >> quarter >>> jam in the rejector? ?Does it hit the swtch and "close it", > or >> "stick" on it?? >>> ?Is the quarter switch dirty or bent?? Does it "pop" the > CB >> each time you >>> insert a quarter?? Are there any "coin guides" present > under >> the rejector? Do >>> you have the correct rejector installed in that housing? Are all four >>> "mounting pins(special screws)" installed into the >> rejector--tightly ? Is the >>> quarter coil burned (in the "Playrack") ? >>> Ron Rich >>> >>> --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Tim Larson wrote: >>> >>> From: Tim Larson >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> >>> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 10:43 AM >>> >>> Thanks for the response - the coin switch works for the 10 cent > selection >>> but not the 25 cent selections - checked the switch it seems to be > good. >>> What would be the next step? >>> Tim Larson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Jay Hennigan >>>> Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list > >>>> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:36:34 -0800 >>>> To: Jukebox mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue >>>> >>>> Tim Larson wrote: >>>>> Hey guys ? hopefully this is a simple problem ?dirty > contacts or >>> fuse....I >>>>> have the manual but can?t quite understand how to fix this > issue: >>>>> When inserting a quarter I can get selections ? after the >> selections >>> I >>>>> insert another quarter and cannot get it to register any > selection >> (no >>>>> lights) >>>>> I can hit the reset in the coin register mechinism and it > seems to >>> work >>>>> again... So I feel its in that area...any ideas? >>>> >>>> It sounds like the coin switch is hanging up closed. Perhaps a > gummed >>>> up switch or coin mechanism, or something mechanically catching > the >> coin. >>>> >>>> The coin should fall easily out of the rejector and very briefly > tap >> the >>>> leaf switch as it drops into the cash bag. The switch should snap >> back >>>> quickly. If the coin hangs on the switch (maybe knocked loose by > the >>>> second quarter?) or the switch is gummy, the circuit stays closed > too >>>> long. The circuit breaker trips and has to be manually reset. > The >>>> reset button replaces a fuse that would need to be replaced in > earlier >>>> mechanisms. >>>> >>>> The coin switch at the bottom of the rejector completes a circuit > to a >>>> coil in the Playrack. This releases a spring-wound cam to > advance to >>>> the pre-set number of credits. The coil needs to generate a > fairly >>>> powerful magnetic field, so there's quite a bit of current > flowing >>>> through it, but the pulse is supposed to be very brief. The reset >>>> breaker protects the coil from burning out if the coin switch gets >>>> stuck, which is what it sounds like is happening in your case. >> Quarters >>>> are fairly heavy, it's usually the dimes that get stuck. :-) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >>>> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >>>> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 23:04:22 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Jan 2 23:05:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Again With The Questions - M100A In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <394879.4261.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In the first video clip, it looks like the tone arm is trying to set down on the record after the transfer arm has retracted. This is the point in the cycle in which the mechanism should switch into scan mode, but the cam shaft keeps rotating. That suggests that the clutch is not moving smoothly up and down the shaft - rather it's getting hung up, so the mechanism never gets into scan mode. (This is addition to what John said, not a substitute for it.) From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 3 08:47:26 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat Jan 3 08:48:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Again With The Questions - M100A References: Message-ID: <001e01c96dc2$f6b99410$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I don't see the tonearm switching sides - it appears the same selection is coming back up. It also appears the tonearm is out of adjustment - it jumps toward the turntable as soon as it is released and may be tripping the mech. The tonearm doesn't appear to be locking in place either, as it jumps again like David mentioned when the mech should go into scan. Disable the switches like John mentioned and gently hold the tonearm back when the record clamps up and see what happens. Check to see if the pins under the contact block are canceled or not (and cancel them manually if they are not) and tell us what happens. Lastly, turn the power off and turn the motor by hand to see if it will cycle properly - this will tell you if the problem is mechanical or electrical. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Medina" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:55 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Again With The Questions - M100A Hello again, and happy new year! I am absolutely stumped and I hope some of you can help. My box wasn't working right (see earlier posts if so inclined) and I hadn't had the time to check on the items that were suggested to me. So, upon finally having time to attempt to work on it, I plugged the box in, turned it on and without my even doing anything, the situation worsened. I still have the continuous-side-rejecting problem and the no-scan problem, but now, in addition, there is a mechanical "snap" that I think is coming from the trip lever and then a buzzing from the trip relay during the cycle as well. I am at a total loss as to where to begin looking now. I don't want to keep running the machine for fear of burning out a relay or switch stack. I took videos of the action with the hope that they will articulate the problem better than I can. The problem is the same with a record in place or without; the magazine and back door of the box have been removed so I can access the back of the mechanism. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff185/theincrowdband/?action=view¤t=MVI_2915.flv http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff185/theincrowdband/?action=view¤t=MVI_2937.flv http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff185/theincrowdband/?action=view¤t=MVI_2936.flv Thank you again for all the advice and help. -Mike _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From passerby at rocketmail.com Sat Jan 3 10:12:54 2009 From: passerby at rocketmail.com (Nathan Keay) Date: Sat Jan 3 10:20:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records Message-ID: <959277.48862.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://tinyurl.com/9koso7 PO Box 57210 Chicago, Illinois 60657 (773)398-8368 http://www.nathankeay.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 3 11:12:32 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 3 11:13:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Again With The Questions - M100A In-Reply-To: <001e01c96dc2$f6b99410$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <400324.42568.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mike, The following is just a guess, you will need to see the service manual and trace it out. I have not repaired one of these mechs in about 30 years, and I am going from memory. After reading your post, and Jim's, and viewing the too short clips several times, it appears that the mechanism is attempting to play the "B" side. Assuming that to be the case, it also appears that the sequence of events is "going wrong" at the point after the record lift arm returns to the rest position. It is also my guess that the problem is electrical, not mechanical.. It appears that the detent coil is remaining energized long enough for the mech to "re-detent", as if it had scanned to another selected "pin" (on the SA unit). I therefore would check to see if the wire going to the (removed, at this point) selector contact block, was shorted to ground. If that's the case, the RSR is being held energized, thus "re-detenting"?the mechanism, prior to allowing the clutch member to fall into the scan position. As Jim says,you might test this out by powering off, just as the lift arm starts down, and turning the motor coupling (in the same dirretion!),?by hand. If doing this allows the clutch member to go into scan, it will prove that the above is the problem. If it will not go into scan, but "re-detents", it will prove that there is a mechanical problem.? Good luck--let us know--Ron Rich From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Again With The Questions - M100A To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 8:47 AM I don't see the tonearm switching sides - it appears the same selection is coming back up. It also appears the tonearm is out of adjustment - it jumps toward the turntable as soon as it is released and may be tripping the mech.. The tonearm doesn't appear to be locking in place either, as it jumps again like David mentioned when the mech should go into scan. Disable the switches like John mentioned and gently hold the tonearm back when the record clamps up and see what happens. Check to see if the pins under the contact block are canceled or not (and cancel them manually if they are not) and tell us what happens. Lastly, turn the power off and turn the motor by hand to see if it will cycle properly - this will tell you if the problem is mechanical or electrical. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Medina" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:55 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Again With The Questions - M100A Hello again, and happy new year! I am absolutely stumped and I hope some of you can help. My box wasn't working right (see earlier posts if so inclined) and I hadn't had the time to check on the items that were suggested to me. So, upon finally having time to attempt to work on it, I plugged the box in, turned it on and without my even doing anything, the situation worsened. I still have the continuous-side-rejecting problem and the no-scan problem, but now, in addition, there is a mechanical "snap" that I think is coming from the trip lever and then a buzzing from the trip relay during the cycle as well. I am at a total loss as to where to begin looking now. I don't want to keep running the machine for fear of burning out a relay or switch stack. I took videos of the action with the hope that they will articulate the problem better than I can. The problem is the same with a record in place or without; the magazine and back door of the box have been removed so I can access the back of the mechanism. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff185/theincrowdband/?action=view¤t=MVI_2915.flv http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff185/theincrowdband/?action=view¤t=MVI_2937.flv http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff185/theincrowdband/?action=view¤t=MVI_2936.flv Thank you again for all the advice and help. -Mike _________________________________________________________________ From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Sat Jan 3 11:10:56 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Sat Jan 3 11:15:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records References: <959277.48862.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95E17232AE5E46C79C7C341E3024A29B@DFLXW121> I just wish more songs were being pressed on 45. It is very frustrating trying to find current hits on 45's only to find that they just aren't being made, or are not available to the public. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Keay" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 1:12 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records > http://tinyurl.com/9koso7 > > PO Box 57210 > Chicago, Illinois 60657 > (773)398-8368 > http://www.nathankeay.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sat Jan 3 12:45:06 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Sat Jan 3 12:52:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records Message-ID: Jon, That's one reason that I left radio broadcasting in the early 1980s. Big record labels were sending CDs and very, very few 45s or LPs. I saw the wring on the wall as I knew that digital technology was around the corner and that all of us DJs would be broadcasting from satellite areas such as Charlotte, N.C., Atlanta, Georgia, or NY City. The good old days of local radio with the cueing up of records and the playing of carts (cartridges) for commercials would be a thing of the past. Now, in 2009, I see that all came to be. It is a shame that kids today will not know how great it was to take the plastic off of a record album and be able to read all of the credits and artist information while listening to that new flawless piece of vinyl blast out the hits. Hey, I even liked the way new records smelled! With everything downloaded on an MP3 player, there will never be a record collection to look back on. I have all of my records and still play them! Money spent on a downloaded song is a waste as in the years to come, that player or media is gone, along with the music on it. The records that I bought years ago were actually investments because I still have them today. I get so darned irritated with my wife and kids when they say that they are listening to country music. Country music today is what Pop and Top 40 was years ago. Sadly, gone with the records are Top 40 and actual Country music. That other cRAP stuff or what ever one wants to call it is not the Top 40 or Adult Contemporary that I am used to. Sadly, things change. And sadly, some changes are not for the better. Happy New Year to all. Bently From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Jan 3 13:53:44 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sat Jan 3 13:54:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records References: Message-ID: Hi Bently, i hear what you are saying and there is some good news on that front. There is vinyl being pressed from new artists. I bought my daughter and son an album for Christmas, new groups out on vinyl. All my kids listen to records.........of course they still have their MP3 players too.....so do i, i use mine when i am walking. one thing i started to do, mostly for my kids to help them get interested in my record collection, i made a binder with all the Blues and Jazz 78's i have and have a Bio of each performer and when i can find it, a discography of them too. I slip them into a clear sheet protector and when they are listening, they read about them. You'd be surprised the response, they comment on Clapton, Hendrix among others that were influenced by the 30, 40 and 50 Delta and Chicago Blues. I have also started one on R&Roll, so much fun to sit and read about the bands, even the "one hit" wonders! Thanks for making us all aware of how lucky we are with our vinyl!! You are right, it's music history. Jackie.........Happy New Year Dancin' Out ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records > Jon, > > That's one reason that I left radio broadcasting in the early 1980s. Big > record labels were sending CDs and very, very few 45s or LPs. I saw the > wring on > the wall as I knew that digital technology was around the corner and that > all > of us DJs would be broadcasting from satellite areas such as Charlotte, > N.C., > Atlanta, Georgia, or NY City. The good old days of local radio with the > cueing up of records and the playing of carts (cartridges) for commercials > would > be a thing of the past. > > Now, in 2009, I see that all came to be. It is a shame that kids today > will > not know how great it was to take the plastic off of a record album and be > able to read all of the credits and artist information while listening to > that > new flawless piece of vinyl blast out the hits. Hey, I even liked the way > new > records smelled! > > With everything downloaded on an MP3 player, there will never be a record > collection to look back on. I have all of my records and still play them! > Money > spent on a downloaded song is a waste as in the years to come, that player > or > media is gone, along with the music on it. The records that I bought > years > ago were actually investments because I still have them today. > > I get so darned irritated with my wife and kids when they say that they > are > listening to country music. Country music today is what Pop and Top 40 > was > years ago. Sadly, gone with the records are Top 40 and actual Country > music. > That other cRAP stuff or what ever one wants to call it is not the Top 40 > or > Adult Contemporary that I am used to. > > Sadly, things change. And sadly, some changes are not for the better. > > Happy New Year to all. > > Bently > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jan 3 14:37:40 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jan 3 14:38:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <773750.51553.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was just at the local Rexall, picking up a prescription, and near the pharmacy counter they have one of those rotating racks of CDs of dubious origin. Things like Tom Jones' Greatest Hits or Linda Ronstadt sings Beatles Classics. Anyway, two late teen or early 20s guys are walking through the store and stop there. "Woa, just what I need - CDs!" one of them says. I thought they were going to make fun of the titles, but the other one says, "Dude, there are people that still *buy* CDs!" and they both laughed at the archaic notion. There seems to be a generation coming up for whom the concept of purchased music as something tangible is completely outside their experience. They seem to think that there will always be some server, somewhere, that they can download their music from, forever. The personal record collection is being outsourced. From jugert at msn.com Sat Jan 3 15:14:36 2009 From: jugert at msn.com (jugert@msn.com) Date: Sat Jan 3 15:15:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records In-Reply-To: <773750.51553.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <773750.51553.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For all you beach boy lovers, Brian Wilson just came out with a new album (that lucky old sun). Besides buying it on cd I also bought the vinyl album and 2 different 45's. 1st brand new...new 45's I have bought in a couple decades. Don Jugert Colorado From joe400f at shaw.ca Sat Jan 3 16:11:22 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sat Jan 3 16:12:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records References: <773750.51553.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01c96e00$f9ae12c0$939f4f18@compaq> I have no use for albums because my jukes don't play them. I did notice that the new AC/DC " BLACK ICE " is available as a album. I looked at one here in the music store. I was shocked to see it. At first glance, I thought it was album sized advertisement poster. I picked it up to find out it was the real deal. Joey McDonald From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Jan 3 16:50:26 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sat Jan 3 16:51:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records References: <773750.51553.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <71A274F4F96544A68C8AAFD442D533DE@home1903> Don, wow, thanks for that info, I will look at Record & Tape Traders, they should carry the 45's too! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "jukeboxlist" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records For all you beach boy lovers, Brian Wilson just came out with a new album (that lucky old sun). Besides buying it on cd I also bought the vinyl album and 2 different 45's. 1st brand new...new 45's I have bought in a couple decades. Don Jugert Colorado_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sat Jan 3 17:06:27 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sat Jan 3 17:07:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records References: <773750.51553.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002c01c96e00$f9ae12c0$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: I purchased the new AC/DC "Black Ice" LP album (2 LP's) and also a 7 inch 45 from that album. The 45 has "Rock N Roll Train" and "War Machine". AC/DC chose to have their new album and single, to only be sold at some "Specialty Record Stores" You will NOT find them at larger department stores. They can be purchased also on E Bay. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joey McDonald" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records > > I have no use for albums because my jukes don't play them. I did notice > that the new AC/DC " BLACK ICE " is available as a album. I looked at > one here in the music store. I was shocked to see it. At first glance, I > thought it was album sized advertisement poster. I picked it up to find > out it was the real deal. > > Joey McDonald > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From passerby at rocketmail.com Sat Jan 3 17:16:36 2009 From: passerby at rocketmail.com (Nathan Keay) Date: Sat Jan 3 17:17:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records References: <773750.51553.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <71A274F4F96544A68C8AAFD442D533DE@home1903> Message-ID: <997257.80462.qm@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Even Amazon has gotten on the vinyl wagon. http://tinyurl.com/83knrv It used to be that only UK version on amazon had vinyl. Now the US one does. I buy a fair amount of new music on 45 and some of the releases like on Rhino or Sundazed records (the Gram Parsons' releases made me very happy). A lot of the new releases come with a code to download digital files of the album not a bad way to go. I was talking to the owner of a pretty big independent record store in Chicago. He was saying the vinyl sales are really keeping them going, new records you can't get at Best Buy, were a big part of that. PO Box 57210 Chicago, Illinois 60657 (773)398-8368 http://www.nathankeay.com ________________________________ From: etreble7 To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 6:50:26 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records Don, wow, thanks for that info, I will look at Record & Tape Traders, they should carry the 45's too! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "jukeboxlist" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records For all you beach boy lovers, Brian Wilson just came out with a new album (that lucky old sun). Besides buying it on cd I also bought the vinyl album and 2 different 45's. 1st brand new...new 45's I have bought in a couple decades. Don Jugert Colorado_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jugert at msn.com Sat Jan 3 17:17:14 2009 From: jugert at msn.com (jugert@msn.com) Date: Sat Jan 3 17:18:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records In-Reply-To: <002c01c96e00$f9ae12c0$939f4f18@compaq> References: <773750.51553.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002c01c96e00$f9ae12c0$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: Joey, I have a Seeburg AP-1 home stereo unit. I built a custom stereo cabinet and put this AP-1 on the bottom and plugged it into my stereo speakers. This AP-1 holds 50 albums and you use a telephone rotary dial as the selector. when you dial 01 it plays the "a" side of your album. Best way to play albums as you never have to touch your albums again. I have some very rare 33's and not all songs on a 33 were put on a 45. It's just another way to keep the music alive. Besides its fun to use a rotary phone dial. Seeburg made several different models, some look like home stereo consoles with built in radio. Here is a link to a picture I found on google. http://www.docsvinyl.com/Docsvinyl/1968_Seeburg_AP-1.html Don Jugert Colorado > From: joe400f@shaw.ca> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:11:22 -0600> > > I have no use for albums because my jukes don't play them. I did notice > that the new AC/DC " BLACK ICE " is available as a album. I looked at one > here in the music store. I was shocked to see it. At first glance, I > thought it was album sized advertisement poster. I picked it up to find > out it was the real deal.> > Joey McDonald> > > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jugert at msn.com Sat Jan 3 17:21:42 2009 From: jugert at msn.com (jugert@msn.com) Date: Sat Jan 3 17:22:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records In-Reply-To: <71A274F4F96544A68C8AAFD442D533DE@home1903> References: <773750.51553.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <71A274F4F96544A68C8AAFD442D533DE@home1903> Message-ID: Jackie.. I belong to the brian wilson fan club and was able to preorder the vinyl, I believe you can still order. I doubt you will find locally. I have also seen this avail on ebay. Don Jugert Colorado > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:50:26 -0500> From: etreble7@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > Don,> wow, thanks for that info, I will look at Record & Tape Traders, they should > carry the 45's too!> Jackie> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "jukeboxlist" > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:14 PM> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records> > > > For all you beach boy lovers, Brian Wilson just came out with a new album > (that lucky old sun). Besides buying it on cd I also bought the vinyl album > and 2 different 45's. 1st brand new...new 45's I have bought in a couple > decades.> > Don Jugert> Colorado_______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 3 19:22:10 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 3 19:23:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <633901.23017.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Don, Two things-- 1. OIL the TWO oil cups on the motor on that unit (motors are NLA!) Use SAE 20 wt ND only. 2. There are more pix on Tony Miller's Seeburg website. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/3/09, jugert@msn.com wrote: From: jugert@msn.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records To: "jukeboxlist" Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 5:17 PM Joey, I have a Seeburg AP-1 home stereo unit. I built a custom stereo cabinet and put this AP-1 on the bottom and plugged it into my stereo speakers. This AP-1 holds 50 albums and you use a telephone rotary dial as the selector. when you dial 01 it plays the "a" side of your album. Best way to play albums as you never have to touch your albums again. I have some very rare 33's and not all songs on a 33 were put on a 45. It's just another way to keep the music alive. Besides its fun to use a rotary phone dial. Seeburg made several different models, some look like home stereo consoles with built in radio. Here is a link to a picture I found on google. http://www.docsvinyl.com/Docsvinyl/1968_Seeburg_AP-1.html Don Jugert Colorado > From: joe400f@shaw.ca> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:11:22 -0600> > > I have no use for albums because my jukes don't play them. I did notice > that the new AC/DC " BLACK ICE " is available as a album. I looked at one > here in the music store. I was shocked to see it. At first glance, I > thought it was album sized advertisement poster. I picked it up to find > out it was the real deal.> > Joey McDonald> > > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Jan 4 02:47:06 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Jan 4 02:48:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records In-Reply-To: <997257.80462.qm@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <773750.51553.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <71A274F4F96544A68C8AAFD442D533DE@home1903> <997257.80462.qm@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c96e59$c97a7400$5c6f5c00$@force9.co.uk> Hi all, In the UK (www.hmv.co.uk) there is more current 7" vinyl available now than the last 10 years or so. Its generally UK stuff, and you find some artists have all of their new releases on vinyl. All I can say is its getting better. I bought my daughter a Seeburg Topaz in May and she started from no records and it has now been full for quite a few months - ALL new releases. She is now taking records off and replacing them. Many are coloured vinyl so they seem to be appealing to the novelty/collector market. I get the impression that people still want something they can touch and feel. When she orders new records it takes me back to the 70s as even the smell of new vinyl is the same as it used to be. Quality is very good in the main, Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Keay Sent: 04 January 2009 01:17 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records Even Amazon has gotten on the vinyl wagon. http://tinyurl.com/83knrv It used to be that only UK version on amazon had vinyl. Now the US one does. I buy a fair amount of new music on 45 and some of the releases like on Rhino or Sundazed records (the Gram Parsons' releases made me very happy). A lot of the new releases come with a code to download digital files of the album not a bad way to go. I was talking to the owner of a pretty big independent record store in Chicago. He was saying the vinyl sales are really keeping them going, new records you can't get at Best Buy, were a big part of that. PO Box 57210 Chicago, Illinois 60657 (773)398-8368 http://www.nathankeay.com ________________________________ From: etreble7 To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 6:50:26 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records Don, wow, thanks for that info, I will look at Record & Tape Traders, they should carry the 45's too! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "jukeboxlist" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records For all you beach boy lovers, Brian Wilson just came out with a new album (that lucky old sun). Besides buying it on cd I also bought the vinyl album and 2 different 45's. 1st brand new...new 45's I have bought in a couple decades. Don Jugert Colorado_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 04:24:14 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sun Jan 4 04:25:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records In-Reply-To: <001501c96e59$c97a7400$5c6f5c00$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <315777.2522.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I keep an old Zenith Home Stereo in the workshop. I can stack the albums and let er go for a long time. It just keeps on going. I can change the music in a flash and it sounds good too. I do regret not keeping some of the seeburg library units and home players through the years. Maybe another will turn up here in the Ghetto. I had a couple AMI background music machines when I first started goofing around with jukeboxes. I think they held 100 records or was it 50? They came in a bullet proof steel case. I could play music, stand on them or pile loads of heavy stuff on them. David (in the Geritol Ghetto) --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: > From: Nigel Pugh > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 3:47 AM > Hi all, > > In the UK (www.hmv.co.uk) there is more current 7" > vinyl available now than > the last 10 years or so. Its generally UK stuff, and you > find some artists > have all of their new releases on vinyl. All I can say is > its getting > better. I bought my daughter a Seeburg Topaz in May and she > started from no > records and it has now been full for quite a few months - > ALL new releases. > She is now taking records off and replacing them. > Many are coloured vinyl so they seem to be appealing to the > novelty/collector market. > I get the impression that people still want something they > can touch and > feel. When she orders new records it takes me back to the > 70s as even the > smell of new vinyl is the same as it used to be. Quality is > very good in the > main, > > Nigel, > > UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf > Of Nathan Keay > Sent: 04 January 2009 01:17 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records > > Even Amazon has gotten on the vinyl wagon. > http://tinyurl.com/83knrv > > It used to be that only UK version on amazon had vinyl. Now > the US one does. > I buy a fair amount of new music on 45 and some of the > releases like on > Rhino or Sundazed records (the Gram Parsons' releases > made me very happy). A > lot of the new releases come with a code to download > digital files of the > album not a bad way to go. > > I was talking to the owner of a pretty big independent > record store in > Chicago. He was saying the vinyl sales are really keeping > them going, new > records you can't get at Best Buy, were a big part of > that. > > > PO Box 57210 > Chicago, Illinois 60657 > (773)398-8368 > http://www.nathankeay.com > > > > > ________________________________ > From: etreble7 > To: Jukebox mailing list > > Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 6:50:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records > > Don, > wow, thanks for that info, I will look at Record & Tape > Traders, they should > carry the 45's too! > Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "jukeboxlist" > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:14 PM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records > > > > For all you beach boy lovers, Brian Wilson just came out > with a new album > (that lucky old sun). Besides buying it on cd I also bought > the vinyl album > and 2 different 45's. 1st brand new...new 45's I > have bought in a couple > decades. > > Don Jugert > Colorado_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Jan 4 06:53:52 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun Jan 4 06:55:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]trashcan issues References: <633901.23017.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5C8D5FBEA7A84CD5B46A802B1B594BE9@home1903> Hi Ron, wondered what your opinion is on the trashcan picking up more than 1 tray (sometimes) and also there is a squeak coming from the back of the motor? I took the door off and I could not tell where it was coming from, it's not when it's loading and unloading, it's only when its playing. Also, the motor has to be started by hand, guess the starter in the motor is gone? Mel is bringing me a rebuilt motor. This juke has turned out to be my favorite one, I think because I can have all my old blues in it. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:22 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records > Don, > Two things-- > 1. OIL the TWO oil cups on the motor on that unit (motors are NLA!) Use > SAE 20 wt ND only. > 2. There are more pix on Tony Miller's Seeburg website. > Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 1/3/09, jugert@msn.com wrote: > > From: jugert@msn.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records > To: "jukeboxlist" > Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 5:17 PM > > Joey, I have a Seeburg AP-1 home stereo unit. I built a custom stereo > cabinet > and put this AP-1 on the bottom and plugged it into my stereo speakers. > This > AP-1 holds 50 albums and you use a telephone rotary dial as the selector. > when > you dial 01 it plays the "a" side of your album. Best way to play > albums as you never have to touch your albums again. > > I have some very rare 33's and not all songs on a 33 were put on a 45. > It's just another way to keep the music alive. Besides its fun to use a > rotary phone dial. > > Seeburg made several different models, some look like home stereo consoles > with > built in radio. Here is a link to a picture I found on google. > > http://www.docsvinyl.com/Docsvinyl/1968_Seeburg_AP-1.html > Don Jugert > Colorado > >> From: joe400f@shaw.ca> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: > Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:11:22 -0600> >> > I have no use for albums because my jukes don't play them. I did > notice > that the new AC/DC " BLACK ICE " is available as a album. > I looked at one > here in the music store. I was shocked to see it. At > first > glance, I > thought it was album sized advertisement poster. I picked it > up > to find > out it was the real deal.> > Joey McDonald> > > > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing > list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Jan 4 09:25:49 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Jan 4 09:32:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]trashcan issues and Wurlitzer 24 issues Message-ID: Hey Jackie, I'm not familiar with the the trashcan mechanism but on the Wurlitzer 24 mechs its usually a lubrication issue. Incididentally I thought I had my Wurlitzer 24 pretty well lubed up but alas the selector has jammed between no 8 and 16. I selected no. 16 and no.8 came out. It tries to put 8 back but can't get it back in. and no. 16 tray won't budge either. Played Christmas records flawlessly through New Years Day. Goes through the cycle as long as I help 8 back out before that turntable rises...lol.I already removed no.8 record and tray.I didn't want The Drifters "White Christmas" to get broken.That would be sad :( J.C. In a message dated 1/4/2009 9:55:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Hi Ron, wondered what your opinion is on the trashcan picking up more than 1 tray (sometimes) and also there is a squeak coming from the back of the motor? I took the door off and I could not tell where it was coming from, it's not when it's loading and unloading, it's only when its playing. Also, the motor has to be started by hand, guess the starter in the motor is gone? Mel is bringing me a rebuilt motor. This juke has turned out to be my favorite one, I think because I can have all my old blues in it. Jackie **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From pinball at telus.net Sun Jan 4 09:44:58 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Jan 4 09:46:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]trashcan issues In-Reply-To: <5C8D5FBEA7A84CD5B46A802B1B594BE9@home1903> References: <633901.23017.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5C8D5FBEA7A84CD5B46A802B1B594BE9@home1903> Message-ID: <4960F59A.6010100@telus.net> etreble7 wrote: > > Hi Ron, > wondered what your opinion is on the trashcan picking up more than 1 > tray (sometimes) and also there is a squeak coming from the back of > the motor? I took the door off and I could not tell where it was > coming from, it's not when it's loading and unloading, it's only when > its playing. > > Also, the motor has to be started by hand, guess the starter in the > motor is gone? Mel is bringing me a rebuilt motor. > > This juke has turned out to be my favorite one, I think because I can > have all my old blues in it. > Jackie The last P148 we serviced had that problem, and as I recall it was related to the drum that rotates to release the catch for each tray slide. Something about the levers weren't snapping back as quickly as they should is my recollection - this was fixed in the early 90s mind you so I am a bit rusty on that problem. the machine has not been in for service since. Either that or the tray was not returned completely and thus would latch and slide out with the next one selected. Is it the same pair of trays each time or a different group? Watch the trays to make sure they go all the way home before the drum starts turning. In either case it is a question of lubrication - dried up grease likely to be gumming up the works! John :-#)# > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:22 PM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records > > >> Don, >> Two things-- >> 1. OIL the TWO oil cups on the motor on that unit (motors are NLA!) >> Use SAE 20 wt ND only. >> 2. There are more pix on Tony Miller's Seeburg website. >> Ron Rich >> >> --- On Sat, 1/3/09, jugert@msn.com wrote: >> >> From: jugert@msn.com >> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records >> To: "jukeboxlist" >> Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 5:17 PM >> >> Joey, I have a Seeburg AP-1 home stereo unit. I built a custom >> stereo cabinet >> and put this AP-1 on the bottom and plugged it into my stereo >> speakers. This >> AP-1 holds 50 albums and you use a telephone rotary dial as the >> selector. when >> you dial 01 it plays the "a" side of your album. Best way to play >> albums as you never have to touch your albums again. >> >> I have some very rare 33's and not all songs on a 33 were put on a 45. >> It's just another way to keep the music alive. Besides its fun to use a >> rotary phone dial. >> >> Seeburg made several different models, some look like home stereo >> consoles with >> built in radio. Here is a link to a picture I found on google. >> >> http://www.docsvinyl.com/Docsvinyl/1968_Seeburg_AP-1.html >> Don Jugert >> Colorado >> >>> From: joe400f@shaw.ca> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: >> Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:11:22 -0600> >>> > I have no use for albums because my jukes don't play them. I did >> notice > that the new AC/DC " BLACK ICE " is available as a album. >> I looked at one > here in the music store. I was shocked to see it. >> At first >> glance, I > thought it was album sized advertisement poster. I picked >> it up >> to find > out it was the real deal.> > Joey McDonald> > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Jan 4 10:54:54 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun Jan 4 10:56:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]trashcan issues References: <633901.23017.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5C8D5FBEA7A84CD5B46A802B1B594BE9@home1903> <4960F59A.6010100@telus.net> Message-ID: <6995224CDFE8436C89915D1AE2808174@home1903> thanks to all who responded to my questions;. I took off the back door again and it does seem to be "gunked" up back there........which surprises me because all that was cleaned and new grease put on 1 year ago.....I would have thought it would last longer than that with as few plays as it gets compared, of course, to when they were on a site. Ron, I will dig up my manual and check the oiling too. I appreciate having some places to start. Will let you know how it comes along! as always, many thanks Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list]trashcan issues > etreble7 wrote: >> >> Hi Ron, >> wondered what your opinion is on the trashcan picking up more than 1 tray >> (sometimes) and also there is a squeak coming from the back of the motor? >> I took the door off and I could not tell where it was coming from, it's >> not when it's loading and unloading, it's only when its playing. >> >> Also, the motor has to be started by hand, guess the starter in the motor >> is gone? Mel is bringing me a rebuilt motor. >> >> This juke has turned out to be my favorite one, I think because I can >> have all my old blues in it. >> Jackie > > The last P148 we serviced had that problem, and as I recall it was related > to the drum that rotates to release the catch for each tray slide. > Something about the levers weren't snapping back as quickly as they should > is my recollection - this was fixed in the early 90s mind you so I am a > bit rusty on that problem. the machine has not been in for service since. > > Either that or the tray was not returned completely and thus would latch > and slide out with the next one selected. Is it the same pair of trays > each time or a different group? Watch the trays to make sure they go all > the way home before the drum starts turning. > > In either case it is a question of lubrication - dried up grease likely to > be gumming up the works! > > John :-#)# > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:22 PM >> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records >> >> >>> Don, >>> Two things-- >>> 1. OIL the TWO oil cups on the motor on that unit (motors are NLA!) Use >>> SAE 20 wt ND only. >>> 2. There are more pix on Tony Miller's Seeburg website. >>> Ron Rich >>> >>> --- On Sat, 1/3/09, jugert@msn.com wrote: >>> >>> From: jugert@msn.com >>> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records >>> To: "jukeboxlist" >>> Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 5:17 PM >>> >>> Joey, I have a Seeburg AP-1 home stereo unit. I built a custom stereo >>> cabinet >>> and put this AP-1 on the bottom and plugged it into my stereo speakers. >>> This >>> AP-1 holds 50 albums and you use a telephone rotary dial as the >>> selector. when >>> you dial 01 it plays the "a" side of your album. Best way to play >>> albums as you never have to touch your albums again. >>> >>> I have some very rare 33's and not all songs on a 33 were put on a 45. >>> It's just another way to keep the music alive. Besides its fun to use a >>> rotary phone dial. >>> >>> Seeburg made several different models, some look like home stereo >>> consoles with >>> built in radio. Here is a link to a picture I found on google. >>> >>> http://www.docsvinyl.com/Docsvinyl/1968_Seeburg_AP-1.html >>> Don Jugert >>> Colorado >>> >>>> From: joe400f@shaw.ca> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: >>> Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:11:22 -0600> >>>> > I have no use for albums because my jukes don't play them. I did >>> notice > that the new AC/DC " BLACK ICE " is available as a album. >>> I looked at one > here in the music store. I was shocked to see it. At >>> first >>> glance, I > thought it was album sized advertisement poster. I picked it >>> up >>> to find > out it was the real deal.> > Joey McDonald> > > > > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Sun Jan 4 11:39:18 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Sun Jan 4 11:40:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]trashcan issues In-Reply-To: <6995224CDFE8436C89915D1AE2808174@home1903> References: <633901.23017.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5C8D5FBEA7A84CD5B46A802B1B594BE9@home1903> <4960F59A.6010100@telus.net> <6995224CDFE8436C89915D1AE2808174@home1903> Message-ID: <3154d3690901041139y791dd810led4714cc3a35ee67@mail.gmail.com> Picking more than one record - there is on the rear of the mech a piece of flat comb-shaped stainless steel with twenty "fingers". The fingers need to have the proper tension or random selections may result. You can remove the cam and re-tension it by hand. Motor - if it doesn't start by itself the start winding could be bad, or it could be the centrifugal switch contacts that doesn't close (disassemble, clean & lube). An old operator friend of mine, Sigge Mohlin, who started his business when his wife bought a coffee place in 1937 told me he used to carry copper wire in his toolbox so he could rewire the starter windings on location ("nothing to it"....). Jens On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:54 PM, etreble7 wrote: > thanks to all who responded to my questions;. I took off the back door > again and it does seem to be "gunked" up back there........which surprises > me because all that was cleaned and new grease put on 1 year ago.....I would > have thought it would last longer than that with as few plays as it gets > compared, of course, to when they were on a site. > > Ron, I will dig up my manual and check the oiling too. I appreciate having > some places to start. Will let you know how it comes along! > as always, many thanks > Jackie > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list]trashcan issues > > > > etreble7 wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Ron, >>> wondered what your opinion is on the trashcan picking up more than 1 tray >>> (sometimes) and also there is a squeak coming from the back of the motor? I >>> took the door off and I could not tell where it was coming from, it's not >>> when it's loading and unloading, it's only when its playing. >>> >>> Also, the motor has to be started by hand, guess the starter in the motor >>> is gone? Mel is bringing me a rebuilt motor. >>> >>> This juke has turned out to be my favorite one, I think because I can >>> have all my old blues in it. >>> Jackie >>> >> >> The last P148 we serviced had that problem, and as I recall it was related >> to the drum that rotates to release the catch for each tray slide. Something >> about the levers weren't snapping back as quickly as they should is my >> recollection - this was fixed in the early 90s mind you so I am a bit rusty >> on that problem. the machine has not been in for service since. >> >> Either that or the tray was not returned completely and thus would latch >> and slide out with the next one selected. Is it the same pair of trays each >> time or a different group? Watch the trays to make sure they go all the way >> home before the drum starts turning. >> >> In either case it is a question of lubrication - dried up grease likely to >> be gumming up the works! >> >> John :-#)# >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:22 PM >>> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records >>> >>> >>> Don, >>>> Two things-- >>>> 1. OIL the TWO oil cups on the motor on that unit (motors are NLA!) Use >>>> SAE 20 wt ND only. >>>> 2. There are more pix on Tony Miller's Seeburg website. >>>> Ron Rich >>>> >>>> --- On Sat, 1/3/09, jugert@msn.com wrote: >>>> >>>> From: jugert@msn.com >>>> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records >>>> To: "jukeboxlist" >>>> Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 5:17 PM >>>> >>>> Joey, I have a Seeburg AP-1 home stereo unit. I built a custom stereo >>>> cabinet >>>> and put this AP-1 on the bottom and plugged it into my stereo speakers. >>>> This >>>> AP-1 holds 50 albums and you use a telephone rotary dial as the >>>> selector. when >>>> you dial 01 it plays the "a" side of your album. Best way to play >>>> albums as you never have to touch your albums again. >>>> >>>> I have some very rare 33's and not all songs on a 33 were put on a 45. >>>> It's just another way to keep the music alive. Besides its fun to use a >>>> rotary phone dial. >>>> >>>> Seeburg made several different models, some look like home stereo >>>> consoles with >>>> built in radio. Here is a link to a picture I found on google. >>>> >>>> http://www.docsvinyl.com/Docsvinyl/1968_Seeburg_AP-1.html >>>> Don Jugert >>>> Colorado >>>> >>>> From: joe400f@shaw.ca> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: >>>>> >>>> Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:11:22 -0600> >>>> >>>>> > I have no use for albums because my jukes don't play them. I did >>>>> >>>> notice > that the new AC/DC " BLACK ICE " is available as a album. >>>> I looked at one > here in the music store. I was shocked to see it. At >>>> first >>>> glance, I > thought it was album sized advertisement poster. I picked it >>>> up >>>> to find > out it was the real deal.> > Joey McDonald> > > >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip >> out" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 13:13:32 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Jan 4 13:14:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records In-Reply-To: <315777.2522.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <818099.99557.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 1/4/09, david wendell wrote: > I had a couple AMI background music machines when I first > started goofing around with jukeboxes. I've never seen an AMI background music machine. Did they play custom records like the Seeburgs? Do you have any pictures of one? From maddleso at gmu.edu Sun Jan 4 14:02:56 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Sun Jan 4 14:21:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Vinyl Records Message-ID: Who was saying that it's hard to find new 7" vinyl? Did you see that Neiman Marcus is offering "each and every 45 RPM vinyl record that was listed on the Billboard Top 100 Rock and Pop charts from Jan. 1, 1955, through Dec. 31, 1990"? http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/sitelets/christmasbook/fantasy.jhtml?cid=O CBF9_NMO3597 &cmCat=christmas&icid=NMCBpage71 They don't say whether these are NOS but, if you're interested, you'd better be quick. This 'set' is a steal at $275,000.00. Mind you, you could pick up a few nice jukes with that sort of cash, which sounds like real money. Any idea how many records there were on the top hundred over those 35 years? What is holding me back is the question of whether I'll have the space to store them. Mark Addleson. From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sun Jan 4 16:30:56 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sun Jan 4 16:31:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records Message-ID: <09C80E8B63E9473F9323BE411F6488C1@VistaServer> Hey David... AMI had a machine they called the "CUSTOMUSIC" They made their own records as Seeburg had done. They were 16 2/3 rpm and were exact copies of the Seeburg background system. Not much info left on them, I still have a couple of the records, I might even still have a Christmas set. I used to own a player years ago, but I only kept a couple of the Seeburgs no AMI's! Mel From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Jan 4 17:07:28 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun Jan 4 17:08:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: [Jukebox-listtrashcan References: <09C80E8B63E9473F9323BE411F6488C1@VistaServer> Message-ID: <16F07289E1A4440EB19A3642F2037743@home1903> Mel, if I could lift the Trashcan I would throw it out the front window Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Knight" To: Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl records Hey David... AMI had a machine they called the "CUSTOMUSIC" They made their own records as Seeburg had done. They were 16 2/3 rpm and were exact copies of the Seeburg background system. Not much info left on them, I still have a couple of the records, I might even still have a Christmas set. I used to own a player years ago, but I only kept a couple of the Seeburgs no AMI's! Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Jan 4 20:29:22 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Jan 4 20:30:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: [Jukebox-listtrashcan In-Reply-To: <16F07289E1A4440EB19A3642F2037743@home1903> References: <09C80E8B63E9473F9323BE411F6488C1@VistaServer> <16F07289E1A4440EB19A3642F2037743@home1903> Message-ID: <49618CA2.5090103@west.net> etreble7 wrote: > Mel, > if I could lift the Trashcan I would throw it out the front window > Jackie Mel, it sounds like the girl can't help it. :-) (Reference to the 1956 movie of that name where there's a scene of a Seeburg trashcan being thrown out of a window.) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Jan 5 05:00:29 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Mon Jan 5 05:01:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: [Jukebox-listtrashcan References: <09C80E8B63E9473F9323BE411F6488C1@VistaServer> <16F07289E1A4440EB19A3642F2037743@home1903> <49618CA2.5090103@west.net> Message-ID: <815465DC8B824758B97A71F19082C8BC@home1903> Jay, that is just toooooooo funny!! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: [Jukebox-listtrashcan > etreble7 wrote: >> Mel, >> if I could lift the Trashcan I would throw it out the front window >> Jackie > > Mel, it sounds like the girl can't help it. :-) > > (Reference to the 1956 movie of that name where there's a scene of a > Seeburg trashcan being thrown out of a window.) > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 05:28:38 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Mon Jan 5 05:29:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: [Jukebox-listtrashcan In-Reply-To: <815465DC8B824758B97A71F19082C8BC@home1903> Message-ID: <533636.63605.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, You can see the seeburg 146 going out the window on page 127 of Jukebox Saturday Night by Krivine. David (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Mon, 1/5/09, etreble7 wrote: > From: etreble7 > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: [Jukebox-listtrashcan > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:00 AM > Jay, > that is just toooooooo funny!! > Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: [Jukebox-listtrashcan > > > > etreble7 wrote: > >> Mel, > >> if I could lift the Trashcan I would throw it out > the front window > >> Jackie > > > > Mel, it sounds like the girl can't help it. :-) > > > > (Reference to the 1956 movie of that name where > there's a scene of a Seeburg trashcan being thrown out > of a window.) > > > > -- > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - > jay@impulse.net > > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 > 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 5 08:08:15 2009 From: chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net (chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon Jan 5 08:09:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? Message-ID: <312399.17743.qm@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Finally got my Rockola 442 jukebox working! Question... What is the best way to clean 45's?? Any homebrew methods? Thanks in advance. Regards, Chad From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 11:10:37 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Jan 5 11:11:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? In-Reply-To: <312399.17743.qm@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74786.63212.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 1/5/09, chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net > What is the best way to clean 45's?? Any homebrew > methods? The best way to clean vinyl or shellac records is to use a mild detergent solution as a wetting agent (the ideal product is Kodak Photo-Flo, but some people don't have camera shops nearby). Use a "paint pad" style vertical- bristle brush wetted in the solution and run it parallel to the groove (in a circular motion around the diameter of the record). With a 45 you should be able to hold the record by the outside edge with one hand and twist the pad around across the entire record with the wrist of your other hand. Then rinse in pure running water (or distilled water if you're in a hard water area), pat dry and let the record air dry in a record rack or dish rack. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jan 5 11:21:05 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jan 5 11:23:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? Message-ID: <20090105.142105.3547.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hi: An easy way to thoroughly clean 45 RPM record surfaces without having to buy anything is to use soap and water. This technique is effective if records are really dirty. You will need to devote 3 soft terrycloth washcloths to the job and some mild hand soap (either bar or liquid) to the task. Soak washcloth # 1 with warm water & partially wring out. Apply soap to the washcloth. Soak washcloth # 2 with warm water only & partially wring out. Leave washcloth # 3 dry. Use washcloth # 1 on the record surface in a circular motion, wetting the grooves with soapy water. Don't let record labels get wet. Use wet washcloth # 2 to rinse soapy water off of record surfaces. Use washcloth # 3 to dry off all water. If you'd like to use an anti-static record cleaner, this would be the time to do it. My favorite has been the Discwasher D4 (usually about $20) which has been around for a long time. It's sold at many on-line sellers like Amazon.com. It works quite effectively. The only precaution is that applying the Discwasher fluid to your records requires the use of a phono turntable. It' ll be difficult to use with a jukebox mech. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Become a Top Chef! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9Mm3NnofQvVZKst24amqjih1eSDa1JfyJPeiNbc2XBKymmS/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Jan 5 18:14:19 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 5 18:21:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? In-Reply-To: <312399.17743.qm@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <312399.17743.qm@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB3DBB9E1E8C9B-10F8-1512@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> Spray on some Brillianize, then wipe with a cotton cloth. -----Original Message----- From: chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:08 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? Finally got my Rockola 442 jukebox working! Question... What is the best way to clean 45's?? Any homebrew methods? Thanks in advance. Regards, Chad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Jan 5 18:21:33 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Jan 5 18:22:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2300-S TR-1 question References: <20090105.142105.3547.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000d01c96fa5$7ec1d910$f1894c09@ZURNT60> 2300-S with Dual Pricing coin gear. Owner re-capped the amplifier, the power supply, and the junction box... Box is set to Free Play with the cancel awl disabled. TR-1 energizes but does not pull enough to make the contacts without a little manual pressure. Holds indefinitely. Wondering if anyone has experienced the same... should I suspect a dirty switch elsewhere in the circuit (which), an aging coil (or problem with the TR-1), or the voltage coming out of the recapped JBox. The machine functions fine except for this problem. Thank you. Jeff From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Jan 5 18:45:58 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Jan 5 18:47:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Message-ID: <000d01c96fa8$e7e197c0$f1894c09@ZURNT60> Not sure if this was linked to in the earlier 'Vinyl' discussion, but found this online today. > > http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11383670 > From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Jan 5 19:18:17 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 5 19:25:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] You have my permission to drool: In-Reply-To: <8CB3DBB9E1E8C9B-10F8-1512@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> References: <312399.17743.qm@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CB3DBB9E1E8C9B-10F8-1512@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB3DC48D55F823-10F8-1872@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> I brought home my first '50s juke this evening. An AMI E-120. All original, even the veneer on the cabinet. Pretty clean on the inside and looks to be complete. I'm missing one of the metal edging skirts that covers the casters and some mirror tiles here and there, and will have to start looking for some color pillars, but still... Are you ready for this? I paid $250... had to borrow the money as I was strapped and my wife is pissed as hell but I HAD to do this. Thank you, Craigslist and thank you, Jukebox Gods. Someone was really looking over me as I was the first caller and the guy said he had been bombarded with calls right after me. A very decent man as he could've jacked the price up on me and/or changed his mind but he held the box 24 hours so I could make arrangements and he kept his word. I left right after work and had to take a drive through some Missouri countryside for about an hour, which was actually kind of nice. May you all be as fortunate with your finds in 2009- John Hayes -----Original Message----- From: jhayes2613@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? Spray on some Brillianize, then wipe with a cotton cloth. -----Original Message----- From: chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:08 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? Finally got my Rockola 442 jukebox working! Question... What is the best way to clean 45's?? Any homebrew methods? Thanks in advance. Regards, Chad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 19:32:01 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Jan 5 19:33:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? In-Reply-To: <8CB3DBB9E1E8C9B-10F8-1512@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <562561.79760.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 1/5/09, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Spray on some Brillianize, then wipe with a cotton cloth. What's Brillianize? It sound like a verb. :-) From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Jan 5 20:06:17 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 5 20:13:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? In-Reply-To: <562561.79760.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB3DCB42658903-10F8-1A83@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> Joke if you want, but the stuff is amazing. You can find it on Ebay, or go to www.brillianize.com I take an old t-shirt, dampen it with Brillianize, and go to town on both 45s and 78s. Sometimes I'll use Brillianize and a toothbrush on stubborn 78s. -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 9:32 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? --- On Mon, 1/5/09, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Spray on some Brillianize, then wipe with a cotton cloth. What's Brillianize? It sound like a verb. :-) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 20:45:47 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Jan 5 20:46:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? In-Reply-To: <8CB3DCB42658903-10F8-1A83@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <337971.91243.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 1/5/09, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Joke if you want, but the stuff is amazing. No joke. I've never heard of it. How do you know it's safe for records? From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 21:52:31 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Mon Jan 5 21:53:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] You have my permission to drool: In-Reply-To: <8CB3DC48D55F823-10F8-1872@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> References: <312399.17743.qm@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CB3DBB9E1E8C9B-10F8-1512@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> <8CB3DC48D55F823-10F8-1872@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002301c96fc2$f7e4df00$e7ae9d00$@net> John, Very nice find. I actually called that guy this afternoon and he said someone was picking it up at 3:30 this afternoon. I live in Raymore and also have a 50's era AMI. As I recall he said in the ad, that it didn't work. Can you tell yet what is mechanically wrong? Would love to see more pics. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of jhayes2613@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:18 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] You have my permission to drool: I brought home my first '50s juke this evening. An AMI E-120. All original, even the veneer on the cabinet. Pretty clean on the inside and looks to be complete. I'm missing one of the metal edging skirts that covers the casters and some mirror tiles here and there, and will have to start looking for some color pillars, but still... Are you ready for this? I paid $250... had to borrow the money as I was strapped and my wife is pissed as hell but I HAD to do this. Thank you, Craigslist and thank you, Jukebox Gods. Someone was really looking over me as I was the first caller and the guy said he had been bombarded with calls right after me. A very decent man as he could've jacked the price up on me and/or changed his mind but he held the box 24 hours so I could make arrangements and he kept his word. I left right after work and had to take a drive through some Missouri countryside for about an hour, which was actually kind of nice. May you all be as fortunate with your finds in 2009- John Hayes -----Original Message----- From: jhayes2613@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? Spray on some Brillianize, then wipe with a cotton cloth. -----Original Message----- From: chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:08 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? Finally got my Rockola 442 jukebox working! Question... What is the best way to clean 45's?? Any homebrew methods? Thanks in advance. Regards, Chad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release Date: 1/4/2009 4:32 PM From jhayes2613 at aol.com Tue Jan 6 04:36:18 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 6 04:43:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? In-Reply-To: <337971.91243.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB3E1281B7338F-10F8-23C6@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> I have used the stuff to restore luster to many, MANY of my less than NM 45s and 78s... VG- copies have been brought around to VG+ in many cases. It really helps take away surface noise. Won't restore gray grooves, but sure does an effective, gentle job on removing dirt. -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:45 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? --- On Mon, 1/5/09, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Joke if you want, but the stuff is amazing. No joke. I've never heard of it. How do you know it's safe for records? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Tue Jan 6 04:42:00 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 6 04:49:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] You have my permission to drool: In-Reply-To: <002301c96fc2$f7e4df00$e7ae9d00$@net> References: <312399.17743.qm@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CB3DBB9E1E8C9B-10F8-1512@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com><8CB3DC48D55F823-10F8-1872@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> <002301c96fc2$f7e4df00$e7ae9d00$@net> Message-ID: <8CB3E134DBB2CE3-10F8-23F4@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> Yeah, I showed up at 3:15.. I wasn't going to let that baby get away.I think the guy mentioned you, and lots of other interested parties. He was a very nice guy which made the little trip a pleasure. I just got it home and have not had the time to address any mechanical issues... it hasn't even sunk in yet that I have this sitting in my garage. Probably the first step will be to get it into the basement, and rounding up the troops can be a challenge so it may not be any time real soon. But pictures? Yeah, you'll get 'em. Thanks for the kind words... sorry you missed out (okay, not really, if you know what I mean). -----Original Message----- From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:52 pm Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] You have my permission to drool: John, Very nice find. I actually called that guy this afternoon and he said someone was picking it up at 3:30 this afternoon. I live in Raymore and also have a 50's era AMI. As I recall he said in the ad, that it didn't work. Can you tell yet what is mechanically wrong? Would love to see more pics. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of jhayes2613@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:18 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] You have my permission to drool: I brought home my first '50s juke this evening. An AMI E-120. All original, even the veneer on the cabinet. Pretty clean on the inside and looks to be complete. I'm missing one of the metal edging skirts that covers the casters and some mirror tiles here and there, and will have to start looking for some color pillars, but still... Are you ready for this? I paid $250... had to borrow the money as I was strapped and my wife is pissed as hell but I HAD to do this. Thank you, Craigslist and thank you, Jukebox Gods. Someone was really looking over me as I was the first caller and the guy said he had been bombarded with calls right after me. A very decent man as he could've jacked the price up on me and/or changed his mind but he held the box 24 hours so I could make arrangements and he kept his word. I left right after work and had to take a drive through some Missouri countryside for about an hour, which was actually kind of nice. May you all be as fortunate with your finds in 2009- John Hayes -----Original Message----- From: jhayes2613@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? Spray on some Brillianize, then wipe with a cotton cloth. -----Original Message----- From: chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:08 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? Finally got my Rockola 442 jukebox working! Question... What is the best way to clean 45's?? Any homebrew methods? Thanks in advance. Regards, Chad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release Date: 1/4/2009 4:32 PM _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 6 07:41:13 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Tue Jan 6 07:42:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] You have my permission to drool: In-Reply-To: <8CB3DC48D55F823-10F8-1872@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <46330.95246.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sounds like the Deal I got just before Xmas on my 1955 AMI G-200? I got it for $500 ? Regards, Tony --- On Mon, 1/5/09, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] You have my permission to drool: To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Monday, January 5, 2009, 10:18 PM I brought home my first '50s juke this evening. An AMI E-120. All original, even the veneer on the cabinet. Pretty clean on the inside and looks to be complete. I'm missing one of the metal edging skirts that covers the casters and some mirror tiles here and there, and will have to start looking for some color pillars, but still... Are you ready for this? I paid $250... had to borrow the money as I was strapped and my wife is pissed as hell but I HAD to do this. Thank you, Craigslist and thank you, Jukebox Gods. Someone was really looking over me as I was the first caller and the guy said he had been bombarded with calls right after me. A very decent man as he could've jacked the price up on me and/or changed his mind but he held the box 24 hours so I could make arrangements and he kept his word. I left right after work and had to take a drive through some Missouri countryside for about an hour, which was actually kind of nice. May you all be as fortunate with your finds in 2009- John Hayes -----Original Message----- From: jhayes2613@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? Spray on some Brillianize, then wipe with a cotton cloth. -----Original Message----- From: chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:08 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] How do I clean my 45's? Finally got my Rockola 442 jukebox working! Question... What is the best way to clean 45's?? Any homebrew methods? Thanks in advance. Regards, Chad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 6 10:44:45 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Tue Jan 6 10:45:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove Message-ID: <330848.10461.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Happy New Year, List! It's that time of the year to clear all the Christmas and holiday-ish 78s out of the old Rock-Ola. While parsing through my collection of pre-war discs I noticed several 'early' 78s I'd like to put into service. However, these do not have an eccentric run-off groove necessary for tripping the end-o-disc mechanism. So, the question is if anyone has ever tackled and succeeded in fashioning a run-off groove in this situation. I don't want to compromise the shellac by grinding one out by hand, unless that's the only option. I was thinking of putting a strip of heavy-duty packing tape on the disc and carefully cutting a curve into it using an exacto-knife and a dinner plate as a template. Don't know if this will work but I think it's worth a try. Anyway, please chime in if you have any other ideas. TIA Bob - Chicago From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Tue Jan 6 10:57:11 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Tue Jan 6 10:58:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles In-Reply-To: <000d01c96fa8$e7e197c0$f1894c09@ZURNT60> References: <000d01c96fa8$e7e197c0$f1894c09@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <000301c97030$94d9e9a0$be8dbce0$@force9.co.uk> What does it say ? I can't view that in the UK, Thanks Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Zurn Sent: 06 January 2009 02:46 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Not sure if this was linked to in the earlier 'Vinyl' discussion, but found this online today. > > http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11383670 > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Tue Jan 6 11:07:10 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Tue Jan 6 11:08:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles References: <000d01c96fa8$e7e197c0$f1894c09@ZURNT60> <000301c97030$94d9e9a0$be8dbce0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <000801c97031$f9fbb1a0$7ed04109@ZURNT60> Interesting... its a BBC video. let me see if I can find another source for you. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles > What does it say ? I can't view that in the UK, > > Thanks > > Nigel > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Zurn > Sent: 06 January 2009 02:46 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles > > Not sure if this was linked to in the earlier 'Vinyl' discussion, but > found > this online today. > >> >> http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11383670 >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Jan 6 11:17:14 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Jan 6 11:18:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove References: <330848.10461.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <386515FC00D046A190542B580004AA2D@home1903> Bob, great question, over the holidays I picked up a recording from 1929 The Carter Family and it doesn't have the run-off groove either....I love the song and left it in the trashcan but don't play it as much having to take the BROKEN lid off and trip by hand..... Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove > Happy New Year, List! > > It's that time of the year to clear all the Christmas and holiday-ish 78s > out of the old Rock-Ola. > > While parsing through my collection of pre-war discs I noticed several > 'early' 78s I'd like to put into service. However, these do not have an > eccentric run-off groove necessary for tripping the end-o-disc mechanism. > > So, the question is if anyone has ever tackled and succeeded in fashioning > a run-off groove in this situation. > > I don't want to compromise the shellac by grinding one out by hand, unless > that's the only option. > > I was thinking of putting a strip of heavy-duty packing tape on the disc > and carefully cutting a curve into it using an exacto-knife and a dinner > plate as a template. Don't know if this will work but I think it's worth a > try. > > Anyway, please chime in if you have any other ideas. > > TIA > Bob - Chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 11:19:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 6 11:20:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles In-Reply-To: <000301c97030$94d9e9a0$be8dbce0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <718187.42685.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nig, It's a BBC report about how 7 inch 45rpm sales are up--way up, in the UK--- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:57 AM What does it say ? I can't view that in the UK, Thanks Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Zurn Sent: 06 January 2009 02:46 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Not sure if this was linked to in the earlier 'Vinyl' discussion, but found this online today. > > http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11383670 > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 11:24:15 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 6 11:25:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove In-Reply-To: <386515FC00D046A190542B580004AA2D@home1903> Message-ID: <912471.87524.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, Why don't you use the outside "trip switch" on the trashcan?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/6/09, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 11:17 AM Bob, great question, over the holidays I picked up a recording from 1929 The Carter Family and it doesn't have the run-off groove either....I love the song and left it in the trashcan but don't play it as much having to take the BROKEN lid off and trip by hand..... Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove > Happy New Year, List! > > It's that time of the year to clear all the Christmas and holiday-ish 78s out of the old Rock-Ola. > > While parsing through my collection of pre-war discs I noticed several 'early' 78s I'd like to put into service. However, these do not have an eccentric run-off groove necessary for tripping the end-o-disc mechanism.. > > So, the question is if anyone has ever tackled and succeeded in fashioning a run-off groove in this situation. > > I don't want to compromise the shellac by grinding one out by hand, unless that's the only option. > > I was thinking of putting a strip of heavy-duty packing tape on the disc and carefully cutting a curve into it using an exacto-knife and a dinner plate as a template. Don't know if this will work but I think it's worth a try. > > Anyway, please chime in if you have any other ideas. > > TIA > Bob - Chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Jan 6 11:43:54 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Jan 6 12:46:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove References: <912471.87524.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5AD99133035A461A86E3B0175C1C87B2@home1903> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh i am so embarassed, i wish this had not gone out to the whole world :( Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove Jackie, Why don't you use the outside "trip switch" on the trashcan? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/6/09, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 11:17 AM Bob, great question, over the holidays I picked up a recording from 1929 The Carter Family and it doesn't have the run-off groove either....I love the song and left it in the trashcan but don't play it as much having to take the BROKEN lid off and trip by hand..... Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove > Happy New Year, List! > > It's that time of the year to clear all the Christmas and holiday-ish 78s out of the old Rock-Ola. > > While parsing through my collection of pre-war discs I noticed several 'early' 78s I'd like to put into service. However, these do not have an eccentric run-off groove necessary for tripping the end-o-disc mechanism.. > > So, the question is if anyone has ever tackled and succeeded in fashioning a run-off groove in this situation. > > I don't want to compromise the shellac by grinding one out by hand, unless that's the only option. > > I was thinking of putting a strip of heavy-duty packing tape on the disc and carefully cutting a curve into it using an exacto-knife and a dinner plate as a template. Don't know if this will work but I think it's worth a try. > > Anyway, please chime in if you have any other ideas. > > TIA > Bob - Chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 6 12:59:38 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Tue Jan 6 13:00:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove Message-ID: <533857.11839.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rich, DOH! What a great solution! I could hire the kid next door to sit next to the juke and hit the trip switch whenever I play that 1919 copy of Marion Harris' "After You've Gone". Brilliant! ;-o Bob - Chicago Re: ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:24:15 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <912471.87524.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Jackie, Why don't you use the outside "trip switch" on the trashcan? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/6/09, etreble7 wrote: ------------------------------ From: etreble7 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 11:17 AM Bob, great question, over the holidays I picked up a recording from 1929 The Carter Family and it doesn't have the run-off groove either....I love the song and left it in the trashcan but don't play it as much having to take the BROKEN lid off and trip by hand..... Jackie From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 6 13:06:00 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Tue Jan 6 13:07:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Message-ID: <673935.3097.qm@web86704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Nigel, I couldn't open it it either but a quick google produced this which is almost certainly the same video. But our American (and probably all foreign) friends will no doubt be barred from this link! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7750581.stm Norman. ________________________________ From: Nigel Pugh To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009 6:57:11 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles What does it say ? I can't view that in the UK, Thanks Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Zurn Sent: 06 January 2009 02:46 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Not sure if this was linked to in the earlier 'Vinyl' discussion, but found this online today. > > http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11383670 > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 13:16:17 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 6 13:17:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles In-Reply-To: <673935.3097.qm@web86704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <382545.15723.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Same Vid--except no spot here in the USA? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/6/09, NORMAN MACRAE wrote: From: NORMAN MACRAE Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 1:06 PM Nigel, I couldn't open it it either but a quick google produced this which is almost certainly the same video. But our American (and probably all foreign) friends will no doubt be barred from this link! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7750581.stm Norman. ________________________________ From: Nigel Pugh To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009 6:57:11 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles What does it say ? I can't view that in the UK, Thanks Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Zurn Sent: 06 January 2009 02:46 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Not sure if this was linked to in the earlier 'Vinyl' discussion, but found this online today. > > http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11383670 > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Tue Jan 6 13:21:42 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Tue Jan 6 13:22:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove References: <912471.87524.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5AD99133035A461A86E3B0175C1C87B2@home1903> Message-ID: Hey Jackie, I spent 20 minutes troubleshooting a jukebox light that wasn't plugged in just a little while ago. Or what about the time I was on location, got lost in the programming menu of a cd jukebox and inadvertantly put 8,356 credits on it? I was stumped for a few minutes, actually contemplating how I was going to play all of those credits off.......hehehehe. It happens to us all. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "etreble7" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove > ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh i am so embarassed, i wish this had not gone out to the > whole world :( > Jackie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove > > > Jackie, > Why don't you use the outside "trip switch" on the trashcan? Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, etreble7 wrote: > > From: etreble7 > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 11:17 AM > > Bob, > great question, over the holidays I picked up a recording from 1929 The > Carter > Family and it doesn't have the run-off groove either....I love the song > and > left it in the trashcan but don't play it as much having to take the > BROKEN > lid off and trip by hand..... > Jackie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" > > To: "Jukebox List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:44 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove > > >> Happy New Year, List! >> >> It's that time of the year to clear all the Christmas and holiday-ish > 78s out of the old Rock-Ola. >> >> While parsing through my collection of pre-war discs I noticed several > 'early' 78s I'd like to put into service. However, these do not have > an eccentric run-off groove necessary for tripping the end-o-disc > mechanism.. >> >> So, the question is if anyone has ever tackled and succeeded in >> fashioning > a run-off groove in this situation. >> >> I don't want to compromise the shellac by grinding one out by hand, > unless that's the only option. >> >> I was thinking of putting a strip of heavy-duty packing tape on the disc > and carefully cutting a curve into it using an exacto-knife and a dinner > plate > as a template. Don't know if this will work but I think it's worth a > try. >> >> Anyway, please chime in if you have any other ideas. >> >> TIA >> Bob - Chicago >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Tue Jan 6 13:40:19 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Tue Jan 6 13:41:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles In-Reply-To: <673935.3097.qm@web86704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <673935.3097.qm@web86704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301c97047$5f5f9ba0$1e1ed2e0$@force9.co.uk> Yep, you're right Norman, Its good news. Reading that article about the EMI factory, I think there are at least 2 and possibly 3 manufacturers. My daughter buys all the new stuff on 7" and its clear from the pressings they are manufactured at a couple of plants (unless EMI have different press machines in the same plant, but unlikely). A record she bought the other week was actually dinked. Not made dinked, but dinked after. I wonder if the person at the factory/distributors who did it actually knew the reason why ;-) Nige -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of NORMAN MACRAE Sent: 06 January 2009 21:06 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Nigel, I couldn't open it it either but a quick google produced this which is almost certainly the same video. But our American (and probably all foreign) friends will no doubt be barred from this link! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7750581.stm Norman. ________________________________ From: Nigel Pugh To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009 6:57:11 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles What does it say ? I can't view that in the UK, Thanks Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Zurn Sent: 06 January 2009 02:46 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Not sure if this was linked to in the earlier 'Vinyl' discussion, but found this online today. > > http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11383670 > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Tue Jan 6 14:04:19 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Tue Jan 6 14:05:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles References: <673935.3097.qm@web86704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <002301c97047$5f5f9ba0$1e1ed2e0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <29F59D14689743DA9607CE83F4C1A5E7@JUKEBUS> Interesting article - strange there was no mention of jukeboxes even though the report includes some "film" of a Seeburg M100B. My local Virgin (now Zavvi and bust) and HMV shops stopped stocking 7" singles a few months ago. Strange timing given the statistic in this report. When they were available locally I used to buy 2 or 3 a week just to support the format! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Yep, you're right Norman, Its good news. Reading that article about the EMI factory, I think there are at least 2 and possibly 3 manufacturers. My daughter buys all the new stuff on 7" and its clear from the pressings they are manufactured at a couple of plants (unless EMI have different press machines in the same plant, but unlikely). A record she bought the other week was actually dinked. Not made dinked, but dinked after. I wonder if the person at the factory/distributors who did it actually knew the reason why ;-) Nige -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of NORMAN MACRAE Sent: 06 January 2009 21:06 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Nigel, I couldn't open it it either but a quick google produced this which is almost certainly the same video. But our American (and probably all foreign) friends will no doubt be barred from this link! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7750581.stm Norman. ________________________________ From: Nigel Pugh To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009 6:57:11 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles What does it say ? I can't view that in the UK, Thanks Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Zurn Sent: 06 January 2009 02:46 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Not sure if this was linked to in the earlier 'Vinyl' discussion, but found this online today. > > http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11383670 > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1879 - Release Date: 06/01/2009 17:16 From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Tue Jan 6 14:16:18 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Tue Jan 6 14:17:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles In-Reply-To: <29F59D14689743DA9607CE83F4C1A5E7@JUKEBUS> References: <673935.3097.qm@web86704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <002301c97047$5f5f9ba0$1e1ed2e0$@force9.co.uk> <29F59D14689743DA9607CE83F4C1A5E7@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <002a01c9704c$66200650$326012f0$@force9.co.uk> Yes I noticed that with HMV stores around the Birmingham area in about October. Must admit for a few months the display space for the 7"'s was looking a bit tatty - probably now filled up with Wii accessories ;-(. I guess as its so specialist they decided to sell them online only. At least the postage is free. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Juke of Shrewsbury Sent: 06 January 2009 22:04 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Interesting article - strange there was no mention of jukeboxes even though the report includes some "film" of a Seeburg M100B. My local Virgin (now Zavvi and bust) and HMV shops stopped stocking 7" singles a few months ago. Strange timing given the statistic in this report. When they were available locally I used to buy 2 or 3 a week just to support the format! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Yep, you're right Norman, Its good news. Reading that article about the EMI factory, I think there are at least 2 and possibly 3 manufacturers. My daughter buys all the new stuff on 7" and its clear from the pressings they are manufactured at a couple of plants (unless EMI have different press machines in the same plant, but unlikely). A record she bought the other week was actually dinked. Not made dinked, but dinked after. I wonder if the person at the factory/distributors who did it actually knew the reason why ;-) Nige -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of NORMAN MACRAE Sent: 06 January 2009 21:06 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Nigel, I couldn't open it it either but a quick google produced this which is almost certainly the same video. But our American (and probably all foreign) friends will no doubt be barred from this link! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7750581.stm Norman. ________________________________ From: Nigel Pugh To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009 6:57:11 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles What does it say ? I can't view that in the UK, Thanks Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Zurn Sent: 06 January 2009 02:46 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Not sure if this was linked to in the earlier 'Vinyl' discussion, but found this online today. > > http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11383670 > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1879 - Release Date: 06/01/2009 17:16 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 6 14:22:59 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Tue Jan 6 14:24:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Message-ID: <87937.45110.qm@web86701.mail.ird.yahoo.com> So that's why I can't find 45s in HMV anymore, Adrian! Luckily just over the road from the Aberdeen HMV, there is an independent record shop which still has a great selection of current vinyl singles. Also well spotted with the M100B; I couldn't make my mind up whether it was a B or a C but I should just have studied the dome glass size a bit more! Norman. ________________________________ From: Juke of Shrewsbury To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009 10:04:19 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles Interesting article - strange there was no mention of jukeboxes even though the report includes some "film" of a Seeburg M100B. My local Virgin (now Zavvi and bust) and HMV shops stopped stocking 7" singles a few months ago. Strange timing given the statistic in this report. When they were available locally I used to buy 2 or 3 a week just to support the format! Adrian. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 14:24:29 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jan 6 14:25:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove In-Reply-To: <330848.10461.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <231254.32744.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 1/6/09, NotarySojac wrote: > I was thinking of putting a strip of heavy-duty packing > tape on the disc and carefully cutting a curve into it using > an exacto-knife and a dinner plate as a template. Don't > know if this will work but I think it's worth a try. I wouldn't do this unless the record is already worthless, because it will certainly be when you are done. Shellac will not cut cleanly. It will chip, and some of the chips can be quite large. If you really want that song in the jukebox, I'd suggest having someone with a record lathe cut you a copy of it. There are several vendors who advertise this service on Ebay. I had a couple songs that were recorded in my studio cut on a 45 by one of these folks and the record is quite satisfactory. This is not an aluminum based lacquer (often incorrectly referred to an an "acetate") it's a plastic record. I don't know where they get the blanks, but the one I've had done has held up quite well. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 14:28:38 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jan 6 14:29:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yahoo! video on 7" singles In-Reply-To: <673935.3097.qm@web86704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <419126.3830.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 1/6/09, NORMAN MACRAE wrote: > But > our American (and probably all foreign) friends will no > doubt be barred from this link! > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7750581.stm Came through fine here in Seattle (and on a UMTS cellular network connection, no less). From Alpine46 at aol.com Tue Jan 6 14:34:29 2009 From: Alpine46 at aol.com (Alpine46@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 6 14:46:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Green mountain music website Message-ID: Does anybody know if they are still in business? I ordered several '45's on-line from their web site 2 months ago and have yet to receive anything. They don't answer my e-mails either. They have my credit card info too! So far my card statements don't show any charges. Their web site is still up. **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000024) From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Jan 6 16:28:58 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Jan 6 16:30:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove References: <912471.87524.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5AD99133035A461A86E3B0175C1C87B2@home1903> Message-ID: Karl, that was very nice of you, lol.....i still would like to know how you could create the groove so you didn't have to rush into the room and cancel.....(that's still SO much easier than what I've been doing, lol...picture me ripping off the metal frame, then the cracked dome and chrome top pieces) Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove > Hey Jackie, > > I spent 20 minutes troubleshooting a jukebox light that wasn't plugged in > just a little while ago. > > Or what about the time I was on location, got lost in the programming menu > of a cd jukebox and inadvertantly put 8,356 credits on it? I was stumped > for a few minutes, actually contemplating how I was going to play all of > those credits off.......hehehehe. > > It happens to us all. > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "etreble7" > To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove > > >> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh i am so embarassed, i wish this had not gone out to the >> whole world :( >> Jackie >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron Rich" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove >> >> >> Jackie, >> Why don't you use the outside "trip switch" on the trashcan? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Tue, 1/6/09, etreble7 wrote: >> >> From: etreble7 >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 11:17 AM >> >> Bob, >> great question, over the holidays I picked up a recording from 1929 The >> Carter >> Family and it doesn't have the run-off groove either....I love the song >> and >> left it in the trashcan but don't play it as much having to take the >> BROKEN >> lid off and trip by hand..... >> Jackie >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" >> >> To: "Jukebox List" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:44 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove >> >> >>> Happy New Year, List! >>> >>> It's that time of the year to clear all the Christmas and holiday-ish >> 78s out of the old Rock-Ola. >>> >>> While parsing through my collection of pre-war discs I noticed several >> 'early' 78s I'd like to put into service. However, these do not have >> an eccentric run-off groove necessary for tripping the end-o-disc >> mechanism.. >>> >>> So, the question is if anyone has ever tackled and succeeded in >>> fashioning >> a run-off groove in this situation. >>> >>> I don't want to compromise the shellac by grinding one out by hand, >> unless that's the only option. >>> >>> I was thinking of putting a strip of heavy-duty packing tape on the disc >> and carefully cutting a curve into it using an exacto-knife and a dinner >> plate >> as a template. Don't know if this will work but I think it's worth a >> try. >>> >>> Anyway, please chime in if you have any other ideas. >>> >>> TIA >>> Bob - Chicago >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 6 16:33:04 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Jan 6 16:34:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC480 Album Scan Unit Message-ID: <000601c9705f$8199bcb0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I've got a clean working LPC480 that I just went through and hooked up the ASC1, but it doesn't do anything. The jukebox takes coins and selects properly but there is no action from the album scan unit. Are the mini albums supposed to flash all the time, or only after the last selection is made? The machine was on free play, but I put it back on coin - do I need a certain pricing set up in the keyboard to allow this unit to work? Any info would be appreciated. Jim Dirksen From joe400f at shaw.ca Tue Jan 6 16:33:45 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Tue Jan 6 16:35:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Green mountain music website References: Message-ID: <000701c9705f$99c5f060$939f4f18@compaq> I have ordered from them many times with no issues. Also, they sell the best title strip sheets. Maybe there email on the website has a problem. Phone them Phone: (802) 649-1803 . 24 Hour Fax Line (810) 277-2936 They sell on Ebay as user " planet45". They have some auctions up now. Click on " ask a question " Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Green mountain music website > Does anybody know if they are still in business? I ordered several '45's > on-line from their web site 2 months ago and have yet to receive anything. > They > don't answer my e-mails either. They have my credit card info too! So far > my > card statements don't show any charges. Their web site is still up. > **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to > celebrity break-ups and everything in between. > (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000024) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 17:36:05 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 6 17:37:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC480 Album Scan Unit In-Reply-To: <000601c9705f$8199bcb0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <446736.18232.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Which code ASC-1 do you have ?? What is the pricing set up?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/6/09, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC480 Album Scan Unit To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 4:33 PM I've got a clean working LPC480 that I just went through and hooked up the ASC1, but it doesn't do anything. The jukebox takes coins and selects properly but there is no action from the album scan unit. Are the mini albums supposed to flash all the time, or only after the last selection is made? The machine was on free play, but I put it back on coin - do I need a certain pricing set up in the keyboard to allow this unit to work? Any info would be appreciated. Jim Dirksen _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jan 6 18:11:13 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Jan 6 18:12:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 Message-ID: <000301c9706d$38498be0$a8dca3a0$@net> Question for the experts.. I am going to look at this tomorrow. I have her down under 2 bills, if I pull the trigger. She tells me that there is no power when it is plugged in. Hopefully is just a fuse or something simple. Are there a few simple tests I can perform onsite.besides checking fuses that might easily correct a power failure? In your honest opinions..is this machine worth anything? Here is the link: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/951111698.html As always..thanks for the insight. Rich From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Tue Jan 6 18:10:39 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Tue Jan 6 18:13:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Green mountain music website References: Message-ID: <823C2FD159704347A25EA12A44CE4243@DFLXW121> I placed, and received, an order from them about a month ago with no issues. Jon Scaptura Binghamton Radio Online http://www.binghamtonradio.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Green mountain music website > Does anybody know if they are still in business? I ordered several '45's > on-line from their web site 2 months ago and have yet to receive anything. > They > don't answer my e-mails either. They have my credit card info too! So far > my > card statements don't show any charges. Their web site is still up. > **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to > celebrity break-ups and everything in between. > (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000024) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 6 18:14:25 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Jan 6 18:15:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC480 Album Scan Unit References: <446736.18232.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c9706d$aa93f820$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Code B. The machine gives three plays for a quarter. Do I need to change jumpers in the keyboard or totalizer? Thanks, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC480 Album Scan Unit Jim, Which code ASC-1 do you have ? What is the pricing set up? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/6/09, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC480 Album Scan Unit To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 4:33 PM I've got a clean working LPC480 that I just went through and hooked up the ASC1, but it doesn't do anything. The jukebox takes coins and selects properly but there is no action from the album scan unit. Are the mini albums supposed to flash all the time, or only after the last selection is made? The machine was on free play, but I put it back on coin - do I need a certain pricing set up in the keyboard to allow this unit to work? Any info would be appreciated. Jim Dirksen _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobe at halted.com Tue Jan 6 18:44:49 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Tue Jan 6 18:54:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 In-Reply-To: <000301c9706d$38498be0$a8dca3a0$@net> References: <000301c9706d$38498be0$a8dca3a0$@net> Message-ID: <49641721.6090809@halted.com> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Question for the experts.. > > I am going to look at this tomorrow. I have her down under 2 bills, if I > pull the trigger. She tells me that there is no power when it is plugged > in. Hopefully is just a fuse or something simple. Are there a few simple > tests I can perform onsite.besides checking fuses that might easily correct > a power failure? In your honest opinions..is this machine worth anything? > I like the DS-160, I was happy to get one a year and a half ago for under $600 (the fact that I could drive and pick it up made the deal, I wouldn't have gone for it if I had to have it shipped). I don't see the directional "ear" speakers up top, but you see them on eBay from time to time. Figure on at least $100 for a pair, though. I think a DS just has to have those little speakers! It looks like it has all the tubes (condition unknown, though) and a stepper (missing the cover), but not an autospeed unit (not necessary if you are not interested in the 33 1/3 RPM "Little LP's"). The glass looks pretty good, can't tell what the sides look like, but it might shine up pretty good. It has the correct gold-colored mechanism for that model, although the mechanism cover is from an AY (blue with sparkles, should be gold with sparkles). Let me know if you need one, I probably have a spare. The issue on "doesn't power up when plugged in" could be anything from not knowing it has a power switch to a blown fuse, to a blown power transformer...hard to tell in advance. Or they just could not know that it takes a minute or two for tubes to warm up! Or it has bad or missing fluorescent lamps, or a bad power cord, etc... For that price, I'd say it would be hard to turn down. If you get it, don't transport it on its back without removing the mechanism (simple to do). It will save you a lot of grief. Good luck! --Bob From amej at ix.netcom.com Tue Jan 6 20:40:41 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Tue Jan 6 20:58:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 20 wt. Oil Message-ID: <49643249.8000407@ix.netcom.com> Hi All, I'm a newbie on this site. However, I have been reading the daily "mail" since November. I was given an AMI/Rowe R-74 and Rock-ola 490 Jukeboxes if I would travel from the High Desert of Southern California to the Salt Lake City area. Since Winter was closing in, I quickly hooked up the trailer and took my wife, plus two dogs on the road. We made the 1,300 mile trip in four days. We missed the snow and had a non-eventful trip. The Jukeboxes do not work and the R-74 is full of 45RPM records. I also have boxes of 45's to add. After I was given this forum to read (by Hildegard in Germany)(stamann@jukebox-world.de), I found a lot of very good information by a great group. I have been collecting manuals and parts so I will be ready to proceed to the repairs. I learned the most important recommendation: Clean and oil the mechanics! The oil to use is 20wt. Non-detergent Oil. I cannot find it anywhere in my area. Where do you get it? Will 30wt. Non-detergent Oil work? Or, 3-in-1 oil? My background is over 40 years of field service and technical support of aero-space equipment (including tech rep for the A-12/SR-71) and medical equipment. But, this is my first attempt to jukeboxes. I must get them cleaned and oiled before I do anything else, then I can start asking questions. The boxes and mechanics are in great shape. Although these are solid-state, I am a tube guy converted to the digital world. Thank you Rich, Jim and the rest of this group for sharing the knowledge you are giving us. Dick, N6MAS Phelan, CA From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 21:16:00 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 6 21:17:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 In-Reply-To: <000301c9706d$38498be0$a8dca3a0$@net> Message-ID: <594263.62447.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, 1. "DS" Speakers (aka "ear" spkrs) are missing--expensive if you can find them 2. Lift and reset "selection now playing bar" onto it correctly, prior to powering it up (set "pin" in "notch"). 3. No power as the "outlet" is torn from mounting, and the TSU is unplugged. 4. Amp is unplugged from the TSU. IMHO, it's the best sounding stereo tube type that was made--needs the "ears", however. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 6:11 PM Question for the experts.. I am going to look at this tomorrow. I have her down under 2 bills, if I pull the trigger. She tells me that there is no power when it is plugged in. Hopefully is just a fuse or something simple. Are there a few simple tests I can perform onsite.besides checking fuses that might easily correct a power failure? In your honest opinions..is this machine worth anything? Here is the link: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/951111698.html As always..thanks for the insight. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 21:34:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 6 21:35:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 20 wt. Oil In-Reply-To: <49643249.8000407@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <287718.56542.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Dick, Welcome! You can get the oil at any GOOD auto parts store--the "chains" do not have it. 3 in One also "sells" it, but in small cans, under the name "Motor oil 20wt". It is available at ACE, or most any other hardware store. Do not use "Multipurpose" (formerly "Household" type) 3 in One.?If you can't get it, contact me off list--I have it-- Read the manuals--ask questions, and someone here will have an answer (I did NOT say the "right answer", so take all advise with that "grain of salt")? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Dick Habegger wrote: From: Dick Habegger Subject: [Jukebox-list] 20 wt. Oil To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 8:40 PM Hi All, I'm a newbie on this site. However, I have been reading the daily "mail" since November. I was given an AMI/Rowe R-74 and Rock-ola 490 Jukeboxes if I would travel from the High Desert of Southern California to the Salt Lake City area. Since Winter was closing in, I quickly hooked up the trailer and took my wife, plus two dogs on the road. We made the 1,300 mile trip in four days. We missed the snow and had a non-eventful trip. The Jukeboxes do not work and the R-74 is full of 45RPM records. I also have boxes of 45's to add. After I was given this forum to read (by Hildegard in Germany)(stamann@jukebox-world.de), I found a lot of very good information by a great group. I have been collecting manuals and parts so I will be ready to proceed to the repairs. I learned the most important recommendation: Clean and oil the mechanics! The oil to use is 20wt. Non-detergent Oil. I cannot find it anywhere in my area. Where do you get it? Will 30wt. Non-detergent Oil work? Or, 3-in-1 oil? My background is over 40 years of field service and technical support of aero-space equipment (including tech rep for the A-12/SR-71) and medical equipment. But, this is my first attempt to jukeboxes. I must get them cleaned and oiled before I do anything else, then I can start asking questions. The boxes and mechanics are in great shape. Although these are solid-state, I am a tube guy converted to the digital world. Thank you Rich, Jim and the rest of this group for sharing the knowledge you are giving us. Dick, N6MAS Phelan, CA _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Tue Jan 6 21:53:03 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Tue Jan 6 21:54:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 20 wt. Oil References: <49643249.8000407@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <8248A7BB6FA24A9FACFFF9B76FCF7041@Graeme> A google search for "SAE 20 ND oil" has Tractor Supply Co having it in 2 Gallon Size. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Habegger" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:40 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 20 wt. Oil > Hi All, > > I'm a newbie on this site. However, I have been reading the daily "mail" > since November. > > I was given an AMI/Rowe R-74 and Rock-ola 490 Jukeboxes if I would travel > from the High Desert of Southern California to the Salt Lake City area. > Since Winter was closing in, I quickly hooked up the trailer and took my > wife, plus two dogs on the road. We made the 1,300 mile trip in four days. > We missed the snow and had a non-eventful trip. The Jukeboxes do not work > and the R-74 is full of 45RPM records. I also have boxes of 45's to add. > > After I was given this forum to read (by Hildegard in > Germany)(stamann@jukebox-world.de), I found a lot of very good information > by a great group. > I have been collecting manuals and parts so I will be ready to proceed to > the repairs. I learned the most important recommendation: Clean and oil > the mechanics! > The oil to use is 20wt. Non-detergent Oil. I cannot find it anywhere in my > area. Where do you get it? Will 30wt. Non-detergent Oil work? Or, 3-in-1 > oil? > > My background is over 40 years of field service and technical support of > aero-space equipment (including tech rep for the A-12/SR-71) and medical > equipment. > But, this is my first attempt to jukeboxes. I must get them cleaned and > oiled before I do anything else, then I can start asking questions. > The boxes and mechanics are in great shape. Although these are > solid-state, I am a tube guy converted to the digital world. > > Thank you Rich, Jim and the rest of this group for sharing the knowledge > you are giving us. > > Dick, N6MAS > Phelan, CA > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 6 22:30:46 2009 From: chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net (chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue Jan 6 22:31:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 20 wt. Oil Message-ID: <314640.95131.qm@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is the oil I use... works great: http://www.3inone.com/products/motor-oil/ I think I bought it at my local Lowes store: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=95565-357-10045 ? ________________________________ From: Dick Habegger To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 10:40:41 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 20 wt. Oil Hi All, I'm a newbie on this site. However, I have been reading the daily "mail" since November. I was given an AMI/Rowe R-74 and Rock-ola 490 Jukeboxes if I would travel from the High Desert of Southern California to the Salt Lake City area. Since Winter was closing in, I quickly hooked up the trailer and took my wife, plus two dogs on the road. We made the 1,300 mile trip in four days. We missed the snow and had a non-eventful trip. The Jukeboxes do not work and the R-74 is full of 45RPM records. I also have boxes of 45's to add. After I was given this forum to read (by Hildegard in Germany)(stamann@jukebox-world.de), I found a lot of very good information by a great group. I have been collecting manuals and parts so I will be ready to proceed to the repairs. I learned the most important recommendation: Clean and oil the mechanics! The oil to use is 20wt. Non-detergent Oil. I cannot find it anywhere in my area. Where do you get it? Will 30wt. Non-detergent Oil work? Or, 3-in-1 oil? My background is over 40 years of field service and technical support of aero-space equipment (including tech rep for the A-12/SR-71) and medical equipment. But, this is my first attempt to jukeboxes. I must get them cleaned and oiled before I do anything else, then I can start asking questions. The boxes and mechanics are in great shape. Although these are solid-state, I am a tube guy converted to the digital world. Thank you Rich, Jim and the rest of this group for sharing the knowledge you are giving us. Dick, N6MAS Phelan, CA _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 7 08:20:05 2009 From: chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net (chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed Jan 7 08:21:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45's with small holes Message-ID: <67567.1137.qm@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have?a?handful of?45's with small center holes (like the holes on LP's).? Is there any way to play these on my Rockola 442?? Also, is it possible to have a mix of normal bigger center hole 45's along with the smaller center hole 45's all playing nicely on the 442? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 08:43:49 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 7 08:45:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45's with small holes In-Reply-To: <67567.1137.qm@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <824190.92849.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Two ways--1. If you do not have 33-1/3 abilities on it, they should be fine--try one. If it plays at 33 rpm, lift the turn table, and dis-able the speed change. (See the Service Manual)?2. If you want to retain the 33 ability, "dink" the records. To do this, you will need to purchase a? "Dinker" from the UK. (Google it)? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/7/09, chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45's with small holes To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 8:20 AM I have?a?handful of?45's with small center holes (like the holes on LP's).? Is there any way to play these on my Rockola 442?? Also, is it possible to have a mix of normal bigger center hole 45's along with the smaller center hole 45's all playing nicely on the 442? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jan 7 09:25:53 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jan 7 09:29:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 Message-ID: <20090107.122553.5085.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Rich: The Seeburg DS160 is a 1962 model juke and is the last-of-the-era models with a visible mechanism. Models that came afterward have the "console" styling. In better economic times, a non-working DS would command a $400-$500 sell price in this area. Now it's down to about 50% of that, so your negotiations are on track. A few quick pointers, based upon your photos: The DS is usually equipped with 2 outrigger ear-level stereo "mid-hi" freq speakers. Having these dramatically improves the sound quality and resale value of the unit. Is the double-sided phono cartridge in place at the tip of the tone arm? Couldn't tell from pix. This is an expensive part to buy if it's missing. The mechanism is equipped with a mech cover from an AY model. It looks all the major components are there,except for a stepper-switch cover on the tormat chassis, no broken glass, not too much rust. Several things can cause a "no power" situation. The main fuse (15A, I think) is located on the receiver chassis near it's power cord. On Seeburg machines, the main power cord is routed to an outlet box located on the floor or side wall of the machine. The 110V components are plugged into this outlet box. If you are going to attempt to quickly power it up at the sellers' location by experimenting with fuses,etc. I'd do the following. This is important if the unit has been sitting dormant for a long time. Open up and inspect the value of the other fuses (are they the right sizes as marked?) before turning on the power. If the fuses (other than main power) are oversized, remove them for this test. There are fuses on both the tormat and amplifier chassis. On the tormat chassis there is a 6X4 rectifier tube--pull it from it's socket before power. These are preventive measures to prevent burnout of a power transformer. With 15A main fuse in place, try turning on power. At this point you should be able to get the cabinet lights to come on. Possibly the mech motor will run. It's up to you if you want to try to restore power to the other components by reinstalling fuses (the right values) one at a time. If you are going to transport this unit with the machine on it's back, you will need to shim-support or remove the mech from the cabinet to prevent damage in handling. It's likely that you'll have to re-hab the audio and tormat electronics to get things running again. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9fZOF7ISmmGD4GpbzsrWn4c7pjzmBAKKlETMIJYx5k1F9yW/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jan 7 09:36:35 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jan 7 09:38:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 Message-ID: <20090107.123635.5085.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Rich: Here's Pt 2 to my previous email: RE: placing a value on jukeboxes----. Always Jukin' (www.alwaysjukin.com) publishes a price guide book that's loosely regarded as the "blue book" for this hobby. A lot of the posted prices here have fallen lately due to the stagnant economy. I'd check E Bay to see if any Seeburg DS, Q, or AY models are up for sale if and what they're selling for. Good Luck, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Learn about VA loan programs and benefits. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9LkMbNTdAyCJjtBJka3ztDDHVPHM4301LcSRTS1MKpPf9iG/ From johntrav at suddenlink.net Wed Jan 7 09:51:56 2009 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Wed Jan 7 09:53:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45's with small holes References: <824190.92849.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <569B7B3DCE6D49B0AAEB9DCD02AFFC84@JOHNTRAV> Use "record dinker" for your search and avoid a lot of trash. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45's with small holes Two ways--1. If you do not have 33-1/3 abilities on it, they should be fine--try one. If it plays at 33 rpm, lift the turn table, and dis-able the speed change. (See the Service Manual) 2. If you want to retain the 33 ability, "dink" the records. To do this, you will need to purchase a "Dinker" from the UK. (Google it) Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/7/09, chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45's with small holes To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 8:20 AM I have a handful of 45's with small center holes (like the holes on LP's). Is there any way to play these on my Rockola 442? Also, is it possible to have a mix of normal bigger center hole 45's along with the smaller center hole 45's all playing nicely on the 442? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From fbunney2 at embarqmail.com Wed Jan 7 10:33:46 2009 From: fbunney2 at embarqmail.com (Frank Bunney) Date: Wed Jan 7 10:56:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R Message-ID: <4964F58A.1060803@embarqmail.com> Hi All, I'm new to the group and the proud new owner of my first juke, a Seeburg R. Just got the box home last night and excited about it. I'm trying to get my gameplan together for a restoration and have ordered manuals and the 100 selectomatic DVD (hope the DVD is worth it). I'm a little concerned about the amp cap kits. Ive completed cap kits before on 80's arcade monitors. But, its pretty easy with these boards because everything is clearly marked on the backside. I have the right tools for the job, but after looking at the MRA5-L6 amp board, well it just looks a little different. I have found a couple people on the net that rebuild them. I really want to do it myself and keep cost down. I'm still pondering what to do. Anyways, I wanted to say Hi. I know I will be dropping in from time to time to ask questions. Frank From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 11:08:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 7 11:09:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 In-Reply-To: <20090107.122553.5085.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <321639.19188.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Caution--The "Main fuse" is a 5 amp, FB, not 15 Amp, on this model?!! Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/7/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:25 AM Rich: The Seeburg DS160 is a 1962 model juke and is the last-of-the-era models with a visible mechanism. Models that came afterward have the "console" styling. In better economic times, a non-working DS would command a $400-$500 sell price in this area. Now it's down to about 50% of that, so your negotiations are on track. A few quick pointers, based upon your photos: The DS is usually equipped with 2 outrigger ear-level stereo "mid-hi" freq speakers. Having these dramatically improves the sound quality and resale value of the unit. Is the double-sided phono cartridge in place at the tip of the tone arm? Couldn't tell from pix. This is an expensive part to buy if it's missing. The mechanism is equipped with a mech cover from an AY model. It looks all the major components are there,except for a stepper-switch cover on the tormat chassis, no broken glass, not too much rust. Several things can cause a "no power" situation. The main fuse (15A, I think) is located on the receiver chassis near it's power cord. On Seeburg machines, the main power cord is routed to an outlet box located on the floor or side wall of the machine. The 110V components are plugged into this outlet box. If you are going to attempt to quickly power it up at the sellers' location by experimenting with fuses,etc. I'd do the following. This is important if the unit has been sitting dormant for a long time. Open up and inspect the value of the other fuses (are they the right sizes as marked?) before turning on the power. If the fuses (other than main power) are oversized, remove them for this test. There are fuses on both the tormat and amplifier chassis. On the tormat chassis there is a 6X4 rectifier tube--pull it from it's socket before power. These are preventive measures to prevent burnout of a power transformer. With 15A main fuse in place, try turning on power. At this point you should be able to get the cabinet lights to come on. Possibly the mech motor will run. It's up to you if you want to try to restore power to the other components by reinstalling fuses (the right values) one at a time. If you are going to transport this unit with the machine on it's back, you will need to shim-support or remove the mech from the cabinet to prevent damage in handling. It's likely that you'll have to re-hab the audio and tormat electronics to get things running again. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9fZOF7ISmmGD4GpbzsrWn4c7pjzmBAKKlETMIJYx5k1F9yW/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Jan 7 11:11:17 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Jan 7 11:12:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R In-Reply-To: <4964F58A.1060803@embarqmail.com> References: <4964F58A.1060803@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Frank, welcome. Nice first Juke. The best money you will spend is on the correct manuals and that video. You will need to refer to the manuals if you want technical help from this forum. If your juke is is decent original condition that is a good start. Used and reproduction parts are easy to find for that model. If you are not really familiar with that amplifier, get a professional to rebuild it. There is a lot more to rebuilding and amplifier than replacing the capacitors. There is lots of usefull information here and many active members. Its a fun place and a fun hobby. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Bunney Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 12:56 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Hi All, > > I'm new to the group and the proud new owner of my first juke, a > Seeburg > R. Just got the box home last night and excited about it. > I'm trying to get my gameplan together for a restoration and > have > ordered manuals and the 100 selectomatic DVD (hope the DVD is > worth it). > > I'm a little concerned about the amp cap kits. Ive > completed cap kits > before on 80's arcade monitors. But, its pretty easy with > these boards > because > everything is clearly marked on the backside. I have the > right tools > for the job, but after looking at the MRA5-L6 amp board, well it > just > looks a little different. > > I have found a couple people on the net that rebuild them. > I really > want to do it myself and keep cost down. I'm still > pondering what to do. > > > Anyways, I wanted to say Hi. I know I will be dropping in > from time to > time to ask questions. > > Frank > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeremy at dwave.net Wed Jan 7 12:17:04 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Wed Jan 7 12:18:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R In-Reply-To: References: <4964F58A.1060803@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <20090107200552.M74320@dwave.net> Hi Frank, Sounds like you have a fun machine there. Recapping tube amps is not too bad after the first one you do. Joey is correct about rebuilding a amp is more involved that just recapping (replacing out of spec resistors and such). The main challenge with me during a recap is where to put the new resistors that replace the large can type (the ones that stick up on top of the chassis). I get better with each amp I do. Good luck, take your time and you will be rewarded. Jeremy Agema On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:11:17 -0600, Joey McDonald wrote > Hey Frank, welcome. > > Nice first Juke. The best money you will spend is on the correct manuals > and that video. You will need to refer to the manuals if you want > technical help from this forum. > > If your juke is is decent original condition that is a good start. > Used and reproduction parts are easy to find for that model. > > If you are not really familiar with that amplifier, get a > professional to rebuild it. There is a lot more to rebuilding > and amplifier than replacing the capacitors. > > There is lots of usefull information here and many active members. > Its a fun place and a fun hobby. > > Joey McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Frank Bunney > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 12:56 pm > Subject: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > Hi All, > > > > I'm new to the group and the proud new owner of my first juke, a > > Seeburg > > R. Just got the box home last night and excited about it. > > I'm trying to get my gameplan together for a restoration and > > have > > ordered manuals and the 100 selectomatic DVD (hope the DVD is > > worth it). > > > > I'm a little concerned about the amp cap kits. Ive > > completed cap kits > > before on 80's arcade monitors. But, its pretty easy with > > these boards > > because > > everything is clearly marked on the backside. I have the > > right tools > > for the job, but after looking at the MRA5-L6 amp board, well it > > just > > looks a little different. > > > > I have found a couple people on the net that rebuild them. > > I really > > want to do it myself and keep cost down. I'm still > > pondering what to do. > > > > > > Anyways, I wanted to say Hi. I know I will be dropping in > > from time to > > time to ask questions. > > > > Frank > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 7 12:41:08 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Wed Jan 7 12:48:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R References: <4964F58A.1060803@embarqmail.com> <20090107200552.M74320@dwave.net> Message-ID: Jeremy, Those big cans are filter capacitors, not resistors. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Agema" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R > Hi Frank, Sounds like you have a fun machine there. > > Recapping tube amps is not too bad after the first one you do. Joey is > correct about rebuilding a amp is more involved that just recapping > (replacing out of spec resistors and such). > > The main challenge with me during a recap is where to put the new > resistors > that replace the large can type (the ones that stick up on top of the > chassis). I get better with each amp I do. > > Good luck, take your time and you will be rewarded. > > Jeremy Agema > > > On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:11:17 -0600, Joey McDonald wrote >> Hey Frank, welcome. >> >> Nice first Juke. The best money you will spend is on the correct manuals >> and that video. You will need to refer to the manuals if you want >> technical help from this forum. >> >> If your juke is is decent original condition that is a good start. >> Used and reproduction parts are easy to find for that model. >> >> If you are not really familiar with that amplifier, get a >> professional to rebuild it. There is a lot more to rebuilding >> and amplifier than replacing the capacitors. >> >> There is lots of usefull information here and many active members. >> Its a fun place and a fun hobby. >> >> Joey McDonald >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Frank Bunney >> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 12:56 pm >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> >> > Hi All, >> > >> > I'm new to the group and the proud new owner of my first juke, a >> > Seeburg >> > R. Just got the box home last night and excited about it. >> > I'm trying to get my gameplan together for a restoration and >> > have >> > ordered manuals and the 100 selectomatic DVD (hope the DVD is >> > worth it). >> > >> > I'm a little concerned about the amp cap kits. Ive >> > completed cap kits >> > before on 80's arcade monitors. But, its pretty easy with >> > these boards >> > because >> > everything is clearly marked on the backside. I have the >> > right tools >> > for the job, but after looking at the MRA5-L6 amp board, well it >> > just >> > looks a little different. >> > >> > I have found a couple people on the net that rebuild them. >> > I really >> > want to do it myself and keep cost down. I'm still >> > pondering what to do. >> > >> > >> > Anyways, I wanted to say Hi. I know I will be dropping in >> > from time to >> > time to ask questions. >> > >> > Frank >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 7 13:10:13 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Wed Jan 7 13:11:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove Message-ID: <469987.12591.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Dave but perhaps I am not explaining my idea properly... I'm not considering digging a new trench into the shellac. Heavens NO! The idea here is to place a 3 or 4 inch strip of thick clear packing tape into the area between the end-groove and the label (not covering the label). Next, take something round-ish like a dinner plate and use it as a guide to cut the TAPE (not the disc itself) to form a sort of run-off groove to pick the needle up from the end-groove and gently swing it towards the label so that the trip switch gets activated. The tape is supposed to do the job of coaxing the stylus into the trip-zone. I did this with some Paul Whiteman potato-heads but in this case it was to form a lead-in groove that was missing at the beginning of the discs. These late 1920's Columbia 78s have a very flat area between the edge of the record and the record gooves. The needle would drop into it and just ride in there. I needed somehting to gently push the needle into the playing area. This worked quite nicely and can be removed if I ever decide to part with the discs (not likely! You'll have to pry my potato-heads outta my cold, dead fingers!!). Same deal using this techniqe for a run-off groove, it won't compromise the integrity of the 78s (and no, you cannot have my Marion Harris records either!). Which leads me to the notion of dinking a 45. I try to get as many UK singles as I can. They are so much better pressed and seem to play forever. I personally am horrified by the idea of knocking that insert out of those singles. I dunno, it just does not seem right. I disabled the 33 1/3 stepper solenoid on my Rowe/AMI TI-1 so that it will play big and small hole 45s. I never had much use for this feature anyway. The 33's I ever put in there sounded lousy anyway.. I just don't miss them. So there. Just had to sound off on that issue. So as soon as I have some time to fool around with this tape run-off groove idea, I'll give it a try and report results. Bob - Chicago P.S. I have thought about cutting modern discs (from old ones) using a service. What discourages me from doing this (besides the exhorbitant price) is that the new 78s are not shellac but vinyl or some kind of plastic. The 3mil stylus I use would chew them up pronto. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:24:29 -0800 (PST) From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <231254.32744.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- On Tue, 1/6/09, NotarySojac wrote: > I was thinking of putting a strip of heavy-duty packing > tape on the disc and carefully cutting a curve into it using > an exacto-knife and a dinner plate as a template. Don't > know if this will work but I think it's worth a try. I wouldn't do this unless the record is already worthless, because it will certainly be when you are done. Shellac will not cut cleanly. It will chip, and some of the chips can be quite large. If you really want that song in the jukebox, I'd suggest having someone with a record lathe cut you a copy of it. There are several vendors who advertise this service on Ebay. I had a couple songs that were recorded in my studio cut on a 45 by one of these folks and the record is quite satisfactory. This is not an aluminum based lacquer (often incorrectly referred to an an "acetate") it's a plastic record. I don't know where they get the blanks, but the one I've had done has held up quite well. ------------------------------ From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed Jan 7 13:14:12 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Jan 7 13:29:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R In-Reply-To: References: <4964F58A.1060803@embarqmail.com> <20090107200552.M74320@dwave.net> Message-ID: I thought maybe he was refering to the two large white resisters that stick up from the chassis. (not the electrolytics) -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of William Hill Sent: 2009, January, 07 3:41 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R Jeremy, Those big cans are filter capacitors, not resistors. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Agema" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R > Hi Frank, Sounds like you have a fun machine there. > > Recapping tube amps is not too bad after the first one you do. Joey is > correct about rebuilding a amp is more involved that just recapping > (replacing out of spec resistors and such). > > The main challenge with me during a recap is where to put the new > resistors > that replace the large can type (the ones that stick up on top of the > chassis). I get better with each amp I do. > > Good luck, take your time and you will be rewarded. > > Jeremy Agema > > > On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:11:17 -0600, Joey McDonald wrote >> Hey Frank, welcome. >> >> Nice first Juke. The best money you will spend is on the correct manuals >> and that video. You will need to refer to the manuals if you want >> technical help from this forum. >> >> If your juke is is decent original condition that is a good start. >> Used and reproduction parts are easy to find for that model. >> >> If you are not really familiar with that amplifier, get a >> professional to rebuild it. There is a lot more to rebuilding >> and amplifier than replacing the capacitors. >> >> There is lots of usefull information here and many active members. >> Its a fun place and a fun hobby. >> >> Joey McDonald >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Frank Bunney >> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 12:56 pm >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> >> > Hi All, >> > >> > I'm new to the group and the proud new owner of my first juke, a >> > Seeburg >> > R. Just got the box home last night and excited about it. >> > I'm trying to get my gameplan together for a restoration and >> > have >> > ordered manuals and the 100 selectomatic DVD (hope the DVD is >> > worth it). >> > >> > I'm a little concerned about the amp cap kits. Ive >> > completed cap kits >> > before on 80's arcade monitors. But, its pretty easy with >> > these boards >> > because >> > everything is clearly marked on the backside. I have the >> > right tools >> > for the job, but after looking at the MRA5-L6 amp board, well it >> > just >> > looks a little different. >> > >> > I have found a couple people on the net that rebuild them. >> > I really >> > want to do it myself and keep cost down. I'm still >> > pondering what to do. >> > >> > >> > Anyways, I wanted to say Hi. I know I will be dropping in >> > from time to >> > time to ask questions. >> > >> > Frank >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Jan 7 14:03:16 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:04:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 In-Reply-To: <594263.62447.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <000301c9706d$38498be0$a8dca3a0$@net> <594263.62447.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01c97113$bf073e10$3d15ba30$@net> Thanks Jim and Ron. Unfortunately I am not going to get the chance to look at it. It was sold from under me this morning. Hopefully one of our readers here was able to pick it up. If so, I know how much you are paying and that is about $150 more than she agreed with me for. Good luck with that. Funny how it sat for almost a month with no calls....I post questions here..next day....sold... Stupid me left the entire link intact instead of removing the phone number. That's my luck though....This is still great information. Especially if onsite checks are going to be performed. To the guy, or gal who got it...please post pics of this machine and let us know what you found mechanically wrong. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:16 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 Rich, 1. "DS" Speakers (aka "ear" spkrs) are missing--expensive if you can find them 2. Lift and reset "selection now playing bar" onto it correctly, prior to powering it up (set "pin" in "notch"). 3. No power as the "outlet" is torn from mounting, and the TSU is unplugged. 4. Amp is unplugged from the TSU. IMHO, it's the best sounding stereo tube type that was made--needs the "ears", however. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 6:11 PM Question for the experts.. I am going to look at this tomorrow. I have her down under 2 bills, if I pull the trigger. She tells me that there is no power when it is plugged in. Hopefully is just a fuse or something simple. Are there a few simple tests I can perform onsite.besides checking fuses that might easily correct a power failure? In your honest opinions..is this machine worth anything? Here is the link: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/951111698.html As always..thanks for the insight. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1879 - Release Date: 1/6/2009 5:16 PM From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 7 14:26:45 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:27:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R References: <4964F58A.1060803@embarqmail.com><20090107200552.M74320@dwave.net> Message-ID: <4352C88FC71C4F72993A9D0448CBD343@valued5anxs5vu> Oh, you have a point there. Sorry bout that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:14 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R I thought maybe he was refering to the two large white resisters that stick up from the chassis. (not the electrolytics) -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of William Hill Sent: 2009, January, 07 3:41 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R Jeremy, Those big cans are filter capacitors, not resistors. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Agema" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R > Hi Frank, Sounds like you have a fun machine there. > > Recapping tube amps is not too bad after the first one you do. Joey is > correct about rebuilding a amp is more involved that just recapping > (replacing out of spec resistors and such). > > The main challenge with me during a recap is where to put the new > resistors > that replace the large can type (the ones that stick up on top of the > chassis). I get better with each amp I do. > > Good luck, take your time and you will be rewarded. > > Jeremy Agema > > > On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:11:17 -0600, Joey McDonald wrote >> Hey Frank, welcome. >> >> Nice first Juke. The best money you will spend is on the correct manuals >> and that video. You will need to refer to the manuals if you want >> technical help from this forum. >> >> If your juke is is decent original condition that is a good start. >> Used and reproduction parts are easy to find for that model. >> >> If you are not really familiar with that amplifier, get a >> professional to rebuild it. There is a lot more to rebuilding >> and amplifier than replacing the capacitors. >> >> There is lots of usefull information here and many active members. >> Its a fun place and a fun hobby. >> >> Joey McDonald >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Frank Bunney >> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 12:56 pm >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> >> > Hi All, >> > >> > I'm new to the group and the proud new owner of my first juke, a >> > Seeburg >> > R. Just got the box home last night and excited about it. >> > I'm trying to get my gameplan together for a restoration and >> > have >> > ordered manuals and the 100 selectomatic DVD (hope the DVD is >> > worth it). >> > >> > I'm a little concerned about the amp cap kits. Ive >> > completed cap kits >> > before on 80's arcade monitors. But, its pretty easy with >> > these boards >> > because >> > everything is clearly marked on the backside. I have the >> > right tools >> > for the job, but after looking at the MRA5-L6 amp board, well it >> > just >> > looks a little different. >> > >> > I have found a couple people on the net that rebuild them. >> > I really >> > want to do it myself and keep cost down. I'm still >> > pondering what to do. >> > >> > >> > Anyways, I wanted to say Hi. I know I will be dropping in >> > from time to >> > time to ask questions. >> > >> > Frank >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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I can point to numerous, "new", disappointed jukebox owners referred to me for tech help in this area, that bought jukes on E Bay or directly, only to find that the so-called "working" machine they bought has multiple problems , major parts missing, or was damaged in shipment,packed incorrectly. A last bit of advice: If you are going to test out a non-working machine in front of the seller,like we discussed earlier,you may need to use some discretion. Don't be too eager to be helpful. If If you manage to bring the non-working machine back to life (replacing blown fuses,etc) you might find that the asking price will skyrocket. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8hZzBlgBXXSnMT6xBwAjW4xM2hOHtnL0qNNWNRuUEJyKkqi/ From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 14:55:11 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:56:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 In-Reply-To: <001c01c97113$bf073e10$3d15ba30$@net> Message-ID: <787422.13315.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rich, Sorry to hear the jukebox was sold. A few months ago I located a bunch of Seeburg parts including a crummy Hideaway. I agreed to travel the 100 miles and bought it all sight unseen. When I got there the seller was furious and said someone from Phoenix had called (sight unseen) and told him all that stuff was worth $2000 not $200. It was all rough but I paid and smiled wondering who had been able to place such a value. He went through with it but it was kind of tense. I think the package might have been worth $400 but not a cent more. We win some and we lose some; hang in there. I see more and more deals with the struggling economy there will be more. I bet you find something even better! David (Geritol Ghetto Dweller) --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:03 PM > Thanks Jim and Ron. > > Unfortunately I am not going to get the chance to look at > it. It was sold > from under me this morning. Hopefully one of our readers > here was able to > pick it up. If so, I know how much you are paying and that > is about $150 > more than she agreed with me for. Good luck with that. > Funny how it sat > for almost a month with no calls....I post questions > here..next > day....sold... Stupid me left the entire link intact > instead of removing the > phone number. > > That's my luck though....This is still great > information. Especially if > onsite checks are going to be performed. > > To the guy, or gal who got it...please post pics of this > machine and let us > know what you found mechanically wrong. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf > Of Ron Rich > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:16 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 > > Rich, > 1. "DS" Speakers (aka "ear" spkrs) are > missing--expensive if you can find > them > 2. Lift and reset "selection now playing bar" > onto it correctly, prior to > powering it up (set "pin" in "notch"). > 3. No power as the "outlet" is torn from > mounting, and the TSU is unplugged. > > 4. Amp is unplugged from the TSU. > IMHO, it's the best sounding stereo tube type that was > made--needs the > "ears", however. > Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers > <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > > From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 6:11 PM > > Question for the experts.. > > > > I am going to look at this tomorrow. I have her down under > 2 bills, if I > pull the trigger. She tells me that there is no power when > it is plugged > in. Hopefully is just a fuse or something simple. Are > there a few simple > tests I can perform onsite.besides checking fuses that > might easily correct > a power failure? In your honest opinions..is this machine > worth anything? > > > > > > Here is the link: > http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/951111698.html > > > > As always..thanks for the insight. > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1879 - Release > Date: 1/6/2009 > 5:16 PM > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 15:48:20 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:55:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 In-Reply-To: <001c01c97113$bf073e10$3d15ba30$@net> Message-ID: <163313.90624.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, I sure hope that no-one who reads this site did that (to you). As far as I,m concerned, that's playing "dirty". I'm hoping that all his transformers are burned up ! Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 2:03 PM Thanks Jim and Ron. Unfortunately I am not going to get the chance to look at it. It was sold from under me this morning. Hopefully one of our readers here was able to pick it up. If so, I know how much you are paying and that is about $150 more than she agreed with me for. Good luck with that. Funny how it sat for almost a month with no calls....I post questions here..next day....sold... Stupid me left the entire link intact instead of removing the phone number. That's my luck though....This is still great information. Especially if onsite checks are going to be performed. To the guy, or gal who got it...please post pics of this machine and let us know what you found mechanically wrong. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:16 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 Rich, 1. "DS" Speakers (aka "ear" spkrs) are missing--expensive if you can find them 2. Lift and reset "selection now playing bar" onto it correctly, prior to powering it up (set "pin" in "notch"). 3. No power as the "outlet" is torn from mounting, and the TSU is unplugged. 4. Amp is unplugged from the TSU. IMHO, it's the best sounding stereo tube type that was made--needs the "ears", however. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 6:11 PM Question for the experts.. I am going to look at this tomorrow. I have her down under 2 bills, if I pull the trigger. She tells me that there is no power when it is plugged in. Hopefully is just a fuse or something simple. Are there a few simple tests I can perform onsite.besides checking fuses that might easily correct a power failure? In your honest opinions..is this machine worth anything? Here is the link: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/951111698.html As always..thanks for the insight. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1879 - Release Date: 1/6/2009 5:16 PM _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dave.halford at telent.com Thu Jan 8 01:48:30 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Thu Jan 8 01:57:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 Message-ID: <20090108094833.9C3EC78068@blade107.lb.inty.net> I've learnt several things over the years buying from the public (cars it's true but....) You ring, agree a price if it's way over what it's worth to you if you must ( I wouldn't) and say 'see you in an hour' and it'll be yours. See you tomorrow and I'll only give you have half means to her I don't think it's really worth it and I probably won't turn up if it's raining. She probably had several calls like that, we call em 'time wasters' over in the UK and there are plenty about. If you really want it never, ever sound like a time waster, beat them down on the spot, pay and take it away there and then. No chance for second thoughts or consulting hubby, oh and most importantly no chance of your own disappointment. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From dave.halford at telent.com Thu Jan 8 02:17:26 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Thu Jan 8 02:18:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45's with small holes Message-ID: <20090108101730.7C1F6156B1A@blade109.la.inty.net> The 442 turntable should have a 'crown' in the centre parts chrome and part red plastic which needs to be free to move, they were stuck on my 443 afetr years of non-use and even when freed off an undinked record bows a lot as the gripper shoves it down onto the tt. I dink all of mine even those with painted labels (as opposed to paper) are OK if the center is covered with vechicle paint masking tape while being dinked. All you need is a sheet metal cutter, the type that is forced though with an 'Allen' bolt (hex key) not a saw or any other rotaing cutter. You just need to enlarge the record center till the bolts passes through it. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com Thu Jan 8 06:14:08 2009 From: donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com (donkeysvsmonkeys@ntlworld.com) Date: Thu Jan 8 06:25:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mystic 478 Jukebox In-Reply-To: <451d30bf0812291916i2d513f23nb6f9c92d5a6f7d52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090108141408.JKHXD.376604.root@web03-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> Hi Jarod i can try to help but should point out that my own 478 hasnt worked for over a year so I'm no expert Firstly do you have the service manual? if so congratulations you know as much as me! if not the first thing I would suggest is test the logic board forgive the stupid questions did it work fine before? (or have you just got it?) do you know if its set to free play? let me know what youve tried and I can read through the manual and try and help good luck Luke ---- Jarod Patton wrote: > We have a Mystic 478 Jukebox. Currently, it will play the records. > However, it will not accept selections and the display light is broken, so I > cannot tell if the numbers are even being accepted as an input. The "LED > #9" in the control panel is blinking. Any suggestions? > > > J > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 8 08:02:29 2009 From: chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net (chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu Jan 8 08:03:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] the "write-in selection" phase is forever searching. please help Message-ID: <725934.23496.qm@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On my Rockola 442 (160 selections), the selection input buttons are: A B C D E F G H?J K ? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8? ?L M N?P Q R S T U V Whenever I select anything that has a P?through V in it, the write-in carriage starts up like normal but never seems to find its selection and just spins and spins.? I have to turn off the jukebox to make it stop (which also makes the selection buttons I pushed in reset back out.) All other selections work fine. Any thoughts on what could be wrong? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jan 8 08:05:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jan 8 08:07:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] the "write-in selection" phase is forever searching. please help In-Reply-To: <725934.23496.qm@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <595174.75741.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Most likely, an open switch at the letter "N" or the "P" itself. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 1/8/09, chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] the "write-in selection" phase is forever searching.. please help To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 8:02 AM On my Rockola 442 (160 selections), the selection input buttons are: A B C D E F G H?J K ? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8? ?L M N?P Q R S T U V Whenever I select anything that has a P?through V in it, the write-in carriage starts up like normal but never seems to find its selection and just spins and spins.? I have to turn off the jukebox to make it stop (which also makes the selection buttons I pushed in reset back out.) All other selections work fine. Any thoughts on what could be wrong? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 8 08:13:01 2009 From: chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net (chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu Jan 8 08:14:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP Message-ID: <555729.18807.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My Rockola 442 has the ability to define certain selection rows as being "LP". Am I right in assuming that this means that these are just where a jukebox owner in a bar would put the longer songs and therefore could charge extra for them? So... he'd put something like the 6 minute song Bohemian Rhapsody in the LP defined sections (even though it is really a single song) and then put the shorter three minute singles in the Singles defined sections? Or are there special LP singles that are in some way different? From jeremy at dwave.net Thu Jan 8 08:27:16 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Thu Jan 8 08:28:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R In-Reply-To: References: <4964F58A.1060803@embarqmail.com> <20090107200552.M74320@dwave.net> Message-ID: <20090108162551.M63814@dwave.net> Opps! My fault, you of course are correct. I was a bit sleepy last night. Thanks Jeremy Agema On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:41:08 -0500, William Hill wrote > Jeremy, > > Those big cans are filter capacitors, not resistors. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Agema" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R > > > Hi Frank, Sounds like you have a fun machine there. > > > > Recapping tube amps is not too bad after the first one you do. Joey is > > correct about rebuilding a amp is more involved that just recapping > > (replacing out of spec resistors and such). > > > > The main challenge with me during a recap is where to put the new > > resistors > > that replace the large can type (the ones that stick up on top of the > > chassis). I get better with each amp I do. > > > > Good luck, take your time and you will be rewarded. > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > > > On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:11:17 -0600, Joey McDonald wrote > >> Hey Frank, welcome. > >> > >> Nice first Juke. The best money you will spend is on the correct manuals > >> and that video. You will need to refer to the manuals if you want > >> technical help from this forum. > >> > >> If your juke is is decent original condition that is a good start. > >> Used and reproduction parts are easy to find for that model. > >> > >> If you are not really familiar with that amplifier, get a > >> professional to rebuild it. There is a lot more to rebuilding > >> and amplifier than replacing the capacitors. > >> > >> There is lots of usefull information here and many active members. > >> Its a fun place and a fun hobby. > >> > >> Joey McDonald > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Frank Bunney > >> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 12:56 pm > >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] My First Juke Seeburg R > >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> > >> > Hi All, > >> > > >> > I'm new to the group and the proud new owner of my first juke, a > >> > Seeburg > >> > R. Just got the box home last night and excited about it. > >> > I'm trying to get my gameplan together for a restoration and > >> > have > >> > ordered manuals and the 100 selectomatic DVD (hope the DVD is > >> > worth it). > >> > > >> > I'm a little concerned about the amp cap kits. Ive > >> > completed cap kits > >> > before on 80's arcade monitors. But, its pretty easy with > >> > these boards > >> > because > >> > everything is clearly marked on the backside. I have the > >> > right tools > >> > for the job, but after looking at the MRA5-L6 amp board, well it > >> > just > >> > looks a little different. > >> > > >> > I have found a couple people on the net that rebuild them. > >> > I really > >> > want to do it myself and keep cost down. I'm still > >> > pondering what to do. > >> > > >> > > >> > Anyways, I wanted to say Hi. I know I will be dropping in > >> > from time to > >> > time to ask questions. > >> > > >> > Frank > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Jukebox-list mailing list > >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jan 8 08:51:24 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jan 8 08:54:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP Message-ID: <20090108.115124.26046.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Hi Chad: In the 60's and early 70's jukebox makers and record companies marketed what was called a "Compact 33" or Little LP. This was a 7" 33 1/3 RPM record that could accomodate 6 average length songs, or about 10 minutes play time per side. The record companies picked which album tunes would go on these "junior" versions of LP's. the tunes offered were usually pieces not offered as singles, but were popular due to radio airplay,etc. Another practice in the music biz at the time was to offer time-edited versions of popular songs in the single 45 format. Full length versions were pressed onto the Little LP's. The jukebox could price the playing of an LP side at a higher price than a 45 RPM single. The record changer mechanism had to be able to accomodate both record speeds and automatically adjust to each. The compact 33's used the small size center hole used with 12" albums. On your RockOla juke, placing the small hole record onto the turntable will shift the speed (mechanically) to 33 RPM. It reverts back to 45 RPM when the 3 "fingers" for the larger 45 RPM record hole are pushed up. This record format phased out in the mid 70's as it's popularity waned. The record biz began putting out the uncut LP versions of song hits on 45 when the format could accomodate it. (usually a max of 7.5 minutes) Hope this answers your inquiry. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9Pq4jEB8OOidalPoigNcJhIiflV91nVngf1y6uqxefUtXRc/ From chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 8 15:13:28 2009 From: chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net (chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu Jan 8 15:14:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R.M.C. Stereo Test Record #1001 Message-ID: <95430.71864.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My Rockola jukebox service manual mentions using a "R.M.C. Stereo Test Record #1001" to assist in calibration. I did a web search and can find no reference to such a test record.? Does anyone have any idea where one of these can be found or if there is an equivalent replacement? From pinball at telus.net Thu Jan 8 15:44:30 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Jan 8 15:45:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R.M.C. Stereo Test Record #1001 In-Reply-To: <95430.71864.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <95430.71864.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49668FDE.6040406@telus.net> chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net wrote: > My Rockola jukebox service manual mentions using a "R.M.C. Stereo Test Record #1001" to assist in calibration. > > I did a web search and can find no reference to such a test record. Does anyone have any idea where one of these can be found or if there is an equivalent replacement? > > Seeburg, and I suspect Wurlitzer also had test records. These were to set the balance and tone controls for optimum sound on location. Haven't seen one in decades! But if you find a 33-1/3 sound test record you could burn a couple of the tracks onto a 45 - if you can find someone that burns 45s that is... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 8 15:55:06 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Jan 8 15:56:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Test Records Message-ID: <584096.57546.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> That's kinda reminds me of this book I once had that mentioned certain records to use to set up your juke for best performance. A few that were mentioned were Petula Clarke - Downtown, Bert Kempftert - Africaan Beat (yes the song title is spelt right but not sure about the artist), The Duals - Stick Shift, Koyo Sakomoto - Sukiyaki these were but a few and yes I bought all of them and they sound fantastic. ? Regards, Tony __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From recordhound at verizon.net Thu Jan 8 18:19:51 2009 From: recordhound at verizon.net (Jimmy Day) Date: Thu Jan 8 19:22:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78s with no run-off groove Message-ID: <6C7D35A9CE844159935435C3CDFC2E71@screwylo> Bob - Sounds like an interesting idea! However I too think you'll damage the record and/or stylus. Personally I wouldn't do it. How about using a small timer, like the old 555 chips - and program it for whatever time the record is, and connect it up so it will "trip" the machine only when that particular selection is made. As soon as the potato-head selection is made, the timer will begin counting, and at the end, trip the reject. You could use as many timers as you have selections in the jukebox, as a matter of fact. Each would be set, of course, to match the playing time plus a few seconds. *jukebox jimmyday *********** Bob wrote: The idea here is to place a 3 or 4 inch strip of thick clear packing tape into the area between the end-groove and the label (not covering the label). Next, take something round-ish like a dinner plate and use it as a guide to cut the TAPE (not the disc itself) to form a sort of run-off groove to pick the needle up from the end-groove and gently swing it towards the label so that the trip switch gets activated. The tape is supposed to do the job of coaxing the stylus into the trip-zone. From edinman at earthlink.net Thu Jan 8 17:51:35 2009 From: edinman at earthlink.net (Ed Inman) Date: Thu Jan 8 21:00:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R.M.C. Stereo Test Record #1001 Message-ID: <13305132.1231465895158.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I used to have one of those--it was basically three tracks: a left tone, a right tone and a combined left and right tone. Some of the old line Rock-ola dealers like Genco in Bogalousa, LA might possibly still have some lying around. I've also heard that there are "tone generators" that can accomplish the same thing, though I really think the main idea is to just get the left and right balance equal, which you can probably get pretty close without the record. good luck, Ed -----Original Message----- >From: "chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net" >Sent: Jan 8, 2009 5:13 PM >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Subject: [Jukebox-list] R.M.C. Stereo Test Record #1001 > >My Rockola jukebox service manual mentions using a "R.M.C. Stereo Test Record #1001" to assist in calibration. > >I did a web search and can find no reference to such a test record.? Does anyone have any idea where one of these can be found or if there is an equivalent replacement? > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From amej at ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 8 17:35:36 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Thu Jan 8 23:13:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 20 wt. Oil Message-ID: <4966A9E8.1030309@ix.netcom.com> Hi Chad, I found it at my local Lowe's. I looked before, but it was hidden. With the description you gave, I asked! It was with the construction materials next to the WD-40. Thank you for your help. Dick. Phelan, CA > Here is the oil I use... works great: > http://www.3inone.com/products/motor-oil/ > > I think I bought it at my local Lowes store: > http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=95565-357-10045 > From dave.halford at telent.com Fri Jan 9 01:10:18 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Fri Jan 9 01:11:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP Message-ID: <20090109091021.DA05E78078@blade107.lb.inty.net> In the 80's just to be awkward U2 put out several singles that were 45 on the 'A' and 33 on the' B' in my opinion a dirty anti jukebox trick. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Fri Jan 9 07:43:47 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Fri Jan 9 07:45:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <20090109091021.DA05E78078@blade107.lb.inty.net> References: <20090109091021.DA05E78078@blade107.lb.inty.net> Message-ID: <003801c97271$0fe2ea10$2fa8be30$@force9.co.uk> Yeah, 'With or without you' was one of them. It was mainly the singles from the Joshua Tree album. Some operator title cards were actually labelled 'No B Side', where the B side title would be. Others actually had the title so it could be selected and waste a punters money playing too fast. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dave.halford@telent.com Sent: 09 January 2009 09:10 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In the 80's just to be awkward U2 put out several singles that were 45 on the 'A' and 33 on the' B' in my opinion a dirty anti jukebox trick. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dave.halford at telent.com Fri Jan 9 07:56:17 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Fri Jan 9 07:57:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP Message-ID: <20090109155618.AE9AF20EFF5@blade202.lb.inty.net> I've got that one Nigel and :- WHEN LOVE CAME TO TOWN I STILL HAV'NT FOUND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR I just label the B's 33 1/3RPM to stop the missus playing them. regards Dave H "Nigel Pugh" k> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n etlojix.com 09/01/2009 15:43 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Yeah, 'With or without you' was one of them. It was mainly the singles from the Joshua Tree album. Some operator title cards were actually labelled 'No B Side', where the B side title would be. Others actually had the title so it could be selected and waste a punters money playing too fast. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dave.halford@telent.com Sent: 09 January 2009 09:10 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In the 80's just to be awkward U2 put out several singles that were 45 on the 'A' and 33 on the' B' in my opinion a dirty anti jukebox trick. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Fri Jan 9 08:10:23 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Fri Jan 9 08:11:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <20090109155618.AE9AF20EFF5@blade202.lb.inty.net> References: <20090109155618.AE9AF20EFF5@blade202.lb.inty.net> Message-ID: <003d01c97274$c72bf790$5583e6b0$@force9.co.uk> If you're playing them on an upright playing Wurlitzer, you can put another record in the same slot so the B side will be the A side of the other record. I wouldn't really recommend it on any other mech type though, 'When love came to town' sounds fantastic on a jukebox. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dave.halford@telent.com Sent: 09 January 2009 15:56 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP I've got that one Nigel and :- WHEN LOVE CAME TO TOWN I STILL HAV'NT FOUND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR I just label the B's 33 1/3RPM to stop the missus playing them. regards Dave H "Nigel Pugh" k> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n etlojix.com 09/01/2009 15:43 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Yeah, 'With or without you' was one of them. It was mainly the singles from the Joshua Tree album. Some operator title cards were actually labelled 'No B Side', where the B side title would be. Others actually had the title so it could be selected and waste a punters money playing too fast. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dave.halford@telent.com Sent: 09 January 2009 09:10 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In the 80's just to be awkward U2 put out several singles that were 45 on the 'A' and 33 on the' B' in my opinion a dirty anti jukebox trick. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 09:04:21 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:18:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <003d01c97274$c72bf790$5583e6b0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <865816.55267.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nigel, You might "get away with it" on the 100 select Wurlys, where the slot is larger, but I have been on many service calls where that has been done, and the records "got stuck"----Ron Rich? --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 8:10 AM If you're playing them on an upright playing Wurlitzer, you can put another record in the same slot so the B side will be the A side of the other record. I wouldn't really recommend it on any other mech type though, 'When love came to town' sounds fantastic on a jukebox. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dave.halford@telent.com Sent: 09 January 2009 15:56 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP I've got that one Nigel and :- WHEN LOVE CAME TO TOWN I STILL HAV'NT FOUND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR I just label the B's 33 1/3RPM to stop the missus playing them. regards Dave H "Nigel Pugh" k> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n etlojix.com 09/01/2009 15:43 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Yeah, 'With or without you' was one of them. It was mainly the singles from the Joshua Tree album. Some operator title cards were actually labelled 'No B Side', where the B side title would be. Others actually had the title so it could be selected and waste a punters money playing too fast. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dave.halford@telent.com Sent: 09 January 2009 09:10 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In the 80's just to be awkward U2 put out several singles that were 45 on the 'A' and 33 on the' B' in my opinion a dirty anti jukebox trick. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri Jan 9 11:45:42 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Fri Jan 9 11:46:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] surface rust....and stuff Message-ID: <000b01c97292$dc1316c0$94394440$@net> The 2710 that I have been trying to bring back to life has been moderately successful. It now at least plays a record. In fact plays all selections except anything that uses the 1 selector. Goes through all the motion except the solenoid popping the pin. Thought I had solved it when I noticed the center tab of the little board that the selector key attaches to was missing. Jim Alexander told me these selectors switch from series to parallel or vice versa..when making a selection. I fabricated a tab and attached it. Still no change..any 1 selection does not work. I swapped the 1 for the 0 thinking the problem would move to the 0...no luck. SO, if any one has any ideas.I am open..and open to possibly another selector mech if one is available. Contact me offlist. Surface rust on the front of the juke.can it be easily removed.without complete disassembly? It is not deep and steel wool might take it off, but don't want to scratch the chrome. I can post pics if anyone wants.. As always...my sincere thanks.. I am off to play Army this weekend...we get to set up training stations for the kids who have not shipped to basic yet...I think I get to do the M2.."ma deuce" to you old timers..still a great .50cal crew serve weapon. Rich From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri Jan 9 11:47:27 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Fri Jan 9 11:48:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <003d01c97274$c72bf790$5583e6b0$@force9.co.uk> References: <20090109155618.AE9AF20EFF5@blade202.lb.inty.net> <003d01c97274$c72bf790$5583e6b0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <001001c97293$1a919fc0$4fb4df40$@net> That is an awesome idea....Who plays the B side anyways....I tried it on my 2710 and it works great. Now I get to remake all my title strips again...AND pick out 50 more hit tunes... Ron....I will heed your advice too... Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Pugh Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:10 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP If you're playing them on an upright playing Wurlitzer, you can put another record in the same slot so the B side will be the A side of the other record. I wouldn't really recommend it on any other mech type though, 'When love came to town' sounds fantastic on a jukebox. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dave.halford@telent.com Sent: 09 January 2009 15:56 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP I've got that one Nigel and :- WHEN LOVE CAME TO TOWN I STILL HAV'NT FOUND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR I just label the B's 33 1/3RPM to stop the missus playing them. regards Dave H "Nigel Pugh" k> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n etlojix.com 09/01/2009 15:43 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Yeah, 'With or without you' was one of them. It was mainly the singles from the Joshua Tree album. Some operator title cards were actually labelled 'No B Side', where the B side title would be. Others actually had the title so it could be selected and waste a punters money playing too fast. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dave.halford@telent.com Sent: 09 January 2009 09:10 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In the 80's just to be awkward U2 put out several singles that were 45 on the 'A' and 33 on the' B' in my opinion a dirty anti jukebox trick. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1883 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 8:38 AM From ccos at knology.net Fri Jan 9 12:05:28 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Fri Jan 9 12:06:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] surface rust....and stuff References: <000b01c97292$dc1316c0$94394440$@net> Message-ID: <2B2A6A6862E742AE99533CF3A59C3AED@home31b34d4856> Rich, Our enemies have known the frightening sound of a "Ma Deuce" downrange for many many years. I serviced many of em in my day. Glad to hear they're still running em. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:45 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] surface rust....and stuff > The 2710 that I have been trying to bring back to life has been moderately > successful. It now at least plays a record. In fact plays all selections > except anything that uses the 1 selector. Goes through all the motion > except the solenoid popping the pin. Thought I had solved it when I > noticed > the center tab of the little board that the selector key attaches to was > missing. Jim Alexander told me these selectors switch from series to > parallel or vice versa..when making a selection. I fabricated a tab and > attached it. Still no change..any 1 selection does not work. I swapped > the > 1 for the 0 thinking the problem would move to the 0...no luck. SO, if > any > one has any ideas.I am open..and open to possibly another selector mech if > one is available. Contact me offlist. > > > > Surface rust on the front of the juke.can it be easily removed.without > complete disassembly? It is not deep and steel wool might take it off, > but > don't want to scratch the chrome. I can post pics if anyone wants.. > > > > As always...my sincere thanks.. > > > > I am off to play Army this weekend...we get to set up training stations > for > the kids who have not shipped to basic yet...I think I get to do the > M2.."ma > deuce" to you old timers..still a great .50cal crew serve weapon. > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Jan 10 01:42:19 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Jan 10 01:43:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <865816.55267.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <003d01c97274$c72bf790$5583e6b0$@force9.co.uk> <865816.55267.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c97307$bb226a90$31673fb0$@force9.co.uk> Yep, I agree Ron. I was thinking of the 100 selection German Lyric mechanism when I posted that, which was more prevalent in the UK than the American Wurlitzers of the day. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 09 January 2009 17:04 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP Nigel, You might "get away with it" on the 100 select Wurlys, where the slot is larger, but I have been on many service calls where that has been done, and the records "got stuck"----Ron Rich? --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 8:10 AM If you're playing them on an upright playing Wurlitzer, you can put another record in the same slot so the B side will be the A side of the other record. I wouldn't really recommend it on any other mech type though, 'When love came to town' sounds fantastic on a jukebox. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dave.halford@telent.com Sent: 09 January 2009 15:56 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP I've got that one Nigel and :- WHEN LOVE CAME TO TOWN I STILL HAV'NT FOUND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR I just label the B's 33 1/3RPM to stop the missus playing them. regards Dave H "Nigel Pugh" k> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n etlojix.com 09/01/2009 15:43 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Yeah, 'With or without you' was one of them. It was mainly the singles from the Joshua Tree album. Some operator title cards were actually labelled 'No B Side', where the B side title would be. Others actually had the title so it could be selected and waste a punters money playing too fast. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dave.halford@telent.com Sent: 09 January 2009 09:10 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In the 80's just to be awkward U2 put out several singles that were 45 on the 'A' and 33 on the' B' in my opinion a dirty anti jukebox trick. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Jan 10 07:06:00 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sat Jan 10 07:07:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Smooth Trashcan Message-ID: Good Morning Ron, wanted to let you know, I got the manual and oiled up everything I could locate in the photos....it's running smooth with no squeak...that is "when" the motor decides it wants to work! Waiting for my new (rebuilt) motor and I think after that we are up and running for another few spins of the turntable! Thanks for your help and suggestion, you were spot on! Jackie Bluesin' Out From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Jan 10 07:19:33 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 10 07:26:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi 'E' "duh" question Message-ID: <8CB414DFA0B92ED-1140-8D@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> Hello, all- Okay, so how do these front doors unlatch so I can access the innards of the grille assembly? I'm sure not seeing how in the manual. While I'm on the subject, I take it that repro color cylinders are available somewhere? Best- John Hayes From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 07:44:36 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jan 10 07:45:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi 'E' "duh" question In-Reply-To: <8CB414DFA0B92ED-1140-8D@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <762846.15293.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 1/10/09, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Okay, so how do these front doors unlatch That I don't know. I've never worked on an E. > While I'm on the subject, I take it that repro color > cylinders are available somewhere? I got the missing "Rainbo" components for my AMI model A (original endcaps and motors with freshly- painted color cylinders) from Jukebox Junkyard. The colors have held up well. From medina115 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 10 08:07:25 2009 From: medina115 at hotmail.com (Mike Medina) Date: Sat Jan 10 08:08:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A Update Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for all your help! I've not had a lot of time to work on the box this week, but I did manage to get a few things checked. First, the old restaurant saying "you can't clean what you can't see" is absolutely true; I spent most of the time cleaning and degreasing more thoroughly and basically re-doing the job I did when I first got the box. I'm considering doing the complete mech removal and degreasing procedure. In any case, the clutch is moving freely again. One big discovery: the clamp arm switch and associated wires had been removed! However, if I'm reading the wiring diagram correctly, this should not necessarily cause a problem. I checked the alignment of the contact block and it was slightly out of adjustment, but I haven't had the chance to shoot wires yet. We're snowbound today, so I'm going to make a big pot of coffee and get to work. I will keep you posted; thanks again for your help! _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 08:44:59 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 10 08:46:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Smooth Trashcan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <926664.1163.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, Cool--enjoy--just be sure you "start" the old motor, 'cause if it "sits" with the power on, it WILL burn up and STINK !! Ron --- On Sat, 1/10/09, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Smooth Trashcan To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 7:06 AM Good Morning Ron, wanted to let you know, I got the manual and oiled up everything I could locate in the photos....it's running smooth with no squeak...that is "when" the motor decides it wants to work! Waiting for my new (rebuilt) motor and I think after that we are up and running for another few spins of the turntable! Thanks for your help and suggestion, you were spot on! Jackie Bluesin' Out _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Sat Jan 10 08:48:20 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Sat Jan 10 08:49:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi 'E' "duh" question References: <8CB414DFA0B92ED-1140-8D@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000f01c97343$3ecbb370$c66f3909@ZURNT60> John, Lift up the front glass and look down on each side of the 'coin gear'. You will see spring loaded rods. Push down on the rod while pulling the grill outward from the center. They may come right away... and it my taks some 'finessing' You should be able to see the down the rod - where the 'indent' on the rod and the 'catch' on the grill join, this will help you finesse. Repro parts are available from www.jukeboxusa.com Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:19 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi 'E' "duh" question > Hello, all- > Okay, so how do these front doors unlatch so I can access the innards of > the grille assembly? I'm sure not seeing how in the manual. > While I'm on the subject, I take it that repro color cylinders are > available somewhere? > Best- > John Hayes > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jan 10 09:30:33 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jan 10 09:33:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP Message-ID: <20090110.123033.17414.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Yesterday there were a few posts complaining about the U2 7" record releases that came out around 1989,where one side was recorded at 33 RPM. Their record company put out 2nd issues for several of the tunes as conventional 45 RPM discs. U2 w/ BB King's "When love comes to town" was issued as Island # 7-99225. The B side is "Dancing barefoot". Standard, large-hole 45. Copyright date of 1989. Perhaps the releases were different in the UK and Canada. Hope this helps. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on earning a criminal justice degree today. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9fJDh8Uz82gBm4ZrftT6SMyLlfFDUhvhPo3akaB56hxZPyO/ From pinball at telus.net Sat Jan 10 09:35:09 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Jan 10 09:36:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi 'E' "duh" question In-Reply-To: <8CB414DFA0B92ED-1140-8D@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB414DFA0B92ED-1140-8D@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4968DC4D.9050001@telus.net> jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Hello, all- > Okay, so how do these front doors unlatch so I can access the innards of the grille assembly? I'm sure not seeing how in the manual. > While I'm on the subject, I take it that repro color cylinders are available somewhere? > Best- > John Hayes > If the grill has broken slats you can replace them with translucent white plexiglass cut to sections and glued together. We did that about twenty years ago for a restoration and the results were quite pleasing. Best if a plastics shop does the cutting so you get clean joints... That was for a model B, but all the AMI grills that are flat sections can be replaced this way. I do not think the cylinders are available in reproduction, however you can use clear thin wall plastic tubing and get theater 'gells' to create your own colour sleeves. I find that the clear shipping tape (a good quality tape - 3M) will last for many years (10 to 20!) holding gells together where ordinary tape just dries up or yellows... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jyount130960 at comcast.net Sat Jan 10 09:52:53 2009 From: jyount130960 at comcast.net (jyount130960@comcast.net) Date: Sat Jan 10 09:54:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi 'E' "duh" question Message-ID: <011020091752.20836.4968E0750009B228000051642215568884CFC0C7CFCCCE9B029A019706@comcast.net> I believe they release from above in the upper area where the mechanism is doesnt it? Been a while since I have dealt with one. I think I have an "E" stashed in the basement of my mom and dads house. -------------- Original message -------------- From: John Robertson > jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > > Hello, all- > > Okay, so how do these front doors unlatch so I can access the innards of the > grille assembly? I'm sure not seeing how in the manual. > > While I'm on the subject, I take it that repro color cylinders are available > somewhere? > > Best- > > John Hayes > > > If the grill has broken slats you can replace them with translucent > white plexiglass cut to sections and glued together. We did that about > twenty years ago for a restoration and the results were quite pleasing. > Best if a plastics shop does the cutting so you get clean joints... > > That was for a model B, but all the AMI grills that are flat sections > can be replaced this way. > > I do not think the cylinders are available in reproduction, however you > can use clear thin wall plastic tubing and get theater 'gells' to create > your own colour sleeves. I find that the clear shipping tape (a good > quality tape - 3M) will last for many years (10 to 20!) holding gells > together where ordinary tape just dries up or yellows... > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jyount130960 at comcast.net Sat Jan 10 09:54:57 2009 From: jyount130960 at comcast.net (jyount130960@comcast.net) Date: Sat Jan 10 09:56:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP Message-ID: <011020091754.23425.4968E0F1000DEBD600005B812215568884CFC0C7CFCCCE9B029A019706@comcast.net> Speaking of that tune (When Love Comes to Town), does anyone have that on 45? It is a Terrific tune and I would love to have it for one of my jukes. Thanks, Joe. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "James Alexander" > > Gentlemen: > Yesterday there were a few posts complaining about the U2 7" record releases > that came out around 1989,where one side was recorded at 33 RPM. Their record > company put out 2nd issues for several of the tunes as conventional 45 RPM > discs. > U2 w/ BB King's "When love comes to town" was issued as Island # 7-99225. The > B side is "Dancing barefoot". Standard, large-hole 45. Copyright date of 1989. > Perhaps the releases were different in the UK and Canada. Hope this helps. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here for free information on earning a criminal justice degree today. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9fJDh8Uz82gBm4ZrftT6SMyLlfF > DUhvhPo3akaB56hxZPyO/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Jan 10 12:05:52 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Jan 10 12:07:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <20090110.123033.17414.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090110.123033.17414.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <002601c9735e$d7127180$85375480$@force9.co.uk> In the 80's in the UK, a lot of records performed by American artists would be supplied to the jukebox operators as the American pressed single. I was DJing at the time, as well as being involved with jukeboxes, so I bought pretty much everything on 45. I noticed a lot of the American records on the jukeboxes were on different labels to their UK equivalents, (Eg you had Atlantic where we had WEA, you had Ariola when we had TK, your Columbia was our Epic etc....) and many had different B sides also. This was an advantage in many cases as some of the US B sides were better. Where it was not so good is quite a lot of the pressings were on that horrible polystyrene, which we never had over here. All I can think of, in those days is that our jukebox distributors smart enough to pre-order the records when they were released in America so they would be on our jukeboxes before they hit the UK charts - which made good sense as it kept the jukebox as the centre of activity for all new releases. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 10 January 2009 17:31 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP Gentlemen: Yesterday there were a few posts complaining about the U2 7" record releases that came out around 1989,where one side was recorded at 33 RPM. Their record company put out 2nd issues for several of the tunes as conventional 45 RPM discs. U2 w/ BB King's "When love comes to town" was issued as Island # 7-99225. The B side is "Dancing barefoot". Standard, large-hole 45. Copyright date of 1989. Perhaps the releases were different in the UK and Canada. Hope this helps. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on earning a criminal justice degree today. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9fJDh8Uz82gBm4ZrftT6SMy LlfFDUhvhPo3akaB56hxZPyO/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Sat Jan 10 12:07:50 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sat Jan 10 12:09:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi 'E' "duh" question In-Reply-To: <000f01c97343$3ecbb370$c66f3909@ZURNT60> References: <8CB414DFA0B92ED-1140-8D@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> <000f01c97343$3ecbb370$c66f3909@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <20090110200326.M54972@dwave.net> Jeff is right on. I finished working on a "E" last month. On that machine one side released fine and one side had to be pushed up and down while pulling on the door. All part of the fun! I got the color sheets, bulbs, and end caps from jukeboxusa and they turned out great! I highly recommend them. Jeremy Agema On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:48:20 -0700, Jeff Zurn wrote > John, > Lift up the front glass and look down on each side of the 'coin > gear'. You will see spring loaded rods. Push down on the rod while > pulling the grill outward from the center. They may come right > away... and it my taks some 'finessing' You should be able to see > the down the rod - where the 'indent' on the rod and the 'catch' on > the grill join, this will help you finesse. > > Repro parts are available from www.jukeboxusa.com > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:19 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi 'E' "duh" question > > > Hello, all- > > Okay, so how do these front doors unlatch so I can access the innards of > > the grille assembly? I'm sure not seeing how in the manual. > > While I'm on the subject, I take it that repro color cylinders are > > available somewhere? > > Best- > > John Hayes > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 12:16:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 10 12:17:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? Message-ID: <580284.62019.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Does anyone happen to have either the Service Manual or a Wurly 2400s that they could look at and tell me the correct?sizes for the "Primary" fuse, and the "DC" fuse located on the aux power supply (down on the floor to the?left, as viewed from phono rear). This one has 30 amp-ers installed in ALL fuse posts---(No Blows ?)--I kinda don't think so---TIA, Ron Rich? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 12:55:49 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jan 10 12:56:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <002601c9735e$d7127180$85375480$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <505096.36194.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: > I noticed a lot of the American records on the > jukeboxes were on different labels to their UK equivalents, > (Eg you had Atlantic where we had WEA, you had Ariola when > we had TK, your Columbia was our Epic etc....) Atlantic Records belonged to Warner Brothers, and "WEA" was, in the US, trade lingo for Warner-Elektra-Atlantic, the major lables Warner's owned. I've never heard of Ariola outside of Europe, and a Wikipedia search showed that they owned the US brand Arista. Epic was a label owned by Columbia and they released many Epic records in the US. Part of the problem with record labels was that over the years, the original "Big Two" in the US, Victor and Columbia, shitched alliegences with European companies after WWII. This resulted in EMI owning both the HMV trademark (associated with RCA Victor in the US) and the Columbia trademark (associated with the radio network CBS in the US). EMI released RCA Victor's artists (like Elvis) but EMI owned Capitol, so Capitol released EMI's artists (like the Beatles) in the US. US Decca was owned by Universal Studios, so British Decca used the "London" label in the US. HMV owned Columbia's prewar catalog, and Columbia issued many HMV postwar artists, like Pink FLoyd, but sold their own postwar artists mainly through their own label. The sad thing is that after all the recent berging and selling of record companies to each other, no one has clear title to the HMV trademark anymore except JVC (Victor of Japan) and they only have it for Asia. That venerable old trademark, once the most recognized in the world, is in danger of slipping into the public domain outside of Asia. > Where it was not so > good is quite a lot of the pressings were on that horrible > polystyrene, which we never had over here. That was mainly Columbia's gig. Surprising they didn't "press" (actually injection-mould) their export records that way also. From ccos at knology.net Sat Jan 10 12:56:22 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sat Jan 10 12:57:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? In-Reply-To: <580284.62019.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <580284.62019.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, I have 2 2204's in the shop. Would they be the same? I have manuals too but it will be Monday before I can check which ones I have, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? Hi All, Does anyone happen to have either the Service Manual or a Wurly 2400s that they could look at and tell me the correct sizes for the "Primary" fuse, and the "DC" fuse located on the aux power supply (down on the floor to the left, as viewed from phono rear). This one has 30 amp-ers installed in ALL fuse posts---(No Blows ?)--I kinda don't think so---TIA, Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Jan 10 13:19:33 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Jan 10 13:20:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <505096.36194.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <002601c9735e$d7127180$85375480$@force9.co.uk> <505096.36194.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c97369$22494fc0$66dbef40$@force9.co.uk> Interesting stuff David. I'm looking at the moment at 2 copies of ring My Bell by Anita Ward (1979). One is on Ariola, made in USA, and is polystyrene too. The other is on the TK label, made in the UK. Also, I have quite a few Elvis singles made in the late 70s (but reissues of older tracks) that are on RCA Victor (black label USA pressings), but on all of them the Victor logo is either obliterated with a marker pen, or has a small white circle sticker over it. I guess there is some history behind this too ? Another one I can think of from back in the day is Abba were on Epic here, but I have quite a few on Atlantic. An English group in the 80s, the Human League, were on EMI over here, but I have quite a few ex jukebox copies of their records that are on A&M, pressed in the USA and imported into English jukeboxes. Maybe it was just how the record distributors got the records then - Ive always been quite intrigued by it. Another thing to note - some records (UK or US) had a small hole punched in the label right through the record. I was told this was records that did not count in the chart sales, or something to do with royalties. I can't quite remember now - been a long time ;-) Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 10 January 2009 20:56 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: > I noticed a lot of the American records on the > jukeboxes were on different labels to their UK equivalents, > (Eg you had Atlantic where we had WEA, you had Ariola when > we had TK, your Columbia was our Epic etc....) Atlantic Records belonged to Warner Brothers, and "WEA" was, in the US, trade lingo for Warner-Elektra-Atlantic, the major lables Warner's owned. I've never heard of Ariola outside of Europe, and a Wikipedia search showed that they owned the US brand Arista. Epic was a label owned by Columbia and they released many Epic records in the US. Part of the problem with record labels was that over the years, the original "Big Two" in the US, Victor and Columbia, shitched alliegences with European companies after WWII. This resulted in EMI owning both the HMV trademark (associated with RCA Victor in the US) and the Columbia trademark (associated with the radio network CBS in the US). EMI released RCA Victor's artists (like Elvis) but EMI owned Capitol, so Capitol released EMI's artists (like the Beatles) in the US. US Decca was owned by Universal Studios, so British Decca used the "London" label in the US. HMV owned Columbia's prewar catalog, and Columbia issued many HMV postwar artists, like Pink FLoyd, but sold their own postwar artists mainly through their own label. The sad thing is that after all the recent berging and selling of record companies to each other, no one has clear title to the HMV trademark anymore except JVC (Victor of Japan) and they only have it for Asia. That venerable old trademark, once the most recognized in the world, is in danger of slipping into the public domain outside of Asia. > Where it was not so > good is quite a lot of the pressings were on that horrible > polystyrene, which we never had over here. That was mainly Columbia's gig. Surprising they didn't "press" (actually injection-mould) their export records that way also. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 14:05:20 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jan 10 14:06:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <002701c97369$22494fc0$66dbef40$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <320615.3814.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: > Also, I have quite a few Elvis singles made in the late 70s > (but reissues of older tracks) that are on RCA Victor > (black label USA pressings), but on all of them the Victor > logo is either obliterated with a marker pen, or has a > small white circle sticker over it. I guess there is some > history behind this too ? That's because RCA Victor didn't have the rights to the "His Master's Voice" logo in Europe. Only in the Americas. This division was agreed on when RCA sold its interests in EMI and JVC just prior to WWII. > Another thing to note - some records (UK or US) had a small > hole punched in the label right through the record. I was > told this was records that did not > count in the chart sales, or something to do with > royalties. Those were cutouts. Essentially discontinued titles that the distributor got inexpensively but could not return for refud if they didn't sell. They probably didn't count for chart sales or royalties, because if they were still hot sellers they wouldn't be cutouts. :-) I never bought many of them because they were usually not very good, but I did get the soundtrack LP of The Rutles' "All You Need is Cash" at a Tower Records store only a week after the film was shown on TV. From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Jan 10 14:01:27 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sat Jan 10 14:10:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Smooth Trashcan References: <926664.1163.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C53039876A144A890FAA0121FAEC470@home1903> gotcha! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Smooth Trashcan > Jackie, > Cool--enjoy--just be sure you "start" the old motor, 'cause if it "sits" > with the power on, it WILL burn up and STINK !! > Ron > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, etreble7 wrote: > > From: etreble7 > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Smooth Trashcan > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 7:06 AM > > Good Morning Ron, > wanted to let you know, I got the manual and oiled up everything I could > locate > in the photos....it's running smooth with no squeak...that is > "when" the motor decides it wants to work! Waiting for my new > (rebuilt) motor and I think after that we are up and running for another > few > spins of the turntable! Thanks for your help and suggestion, you were > spot on! > Jackie > Bluesin' Out > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 14:25:28 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Sat Jan 10 14:26:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? In-Reply-To: <580284.62019.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <580284.62019.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690901101425x21fcf6f3i8115394fa131f2b8@mail.gmail.com> Ron, I believe primary is 15 but an 8 will hold up.AC is 8 DC is 2 Ampl is 2 On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, Does anyone happen to have either the Service Manual or a Wurly > 2400s that they could look at and tell me the correct sizes for the > "Primary" fuse, and the "DC" fuse located on the aux power supply (down on > the floor to the left, as viewed from phono rear). This one has 30 amp-ers > installed in ALL fuse posts---(No Blows ?)--I kinda don't think so---TIA, > Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From crispinjbl at guilde.co.uk Sat Jan 10 13:35:55 2009 From: crispinjbl at guilde.co.uk (Crispin Murray) Date: Sat Jan 10 15:05:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <002701c97369$22494fc0$66dbef40$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: The holes through the labels, and the notches or holes in the sleeves of albums, were done to make the imports into damaged stock: this originally avoided Retail Price Maintenance (RPM) in the UK (fixed minimum sale price) and also allowed a lower rate of duty on the import - this is why the practise of damaging the stock continued after the abandonment of RPM (which was helped on its way by that nice Mr Branson). It must have been a very dull job crossing out Columbia on the labels of imports to avoid upsetting EMI and infringing their trademarks, and all of the others that were obliterated. Crispin > From: Nigel Pugh > Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:19:33 -0000 > To: , 'Jukebox mailing list' > > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP > > Interesting stuff David. I'm looking at the moment at 2 copies of ring My > Bell by Anita Ward (1979). > One is on Ariola, made in USA, and is polystyrene too. The other is on the > TK label, made in the UK. > > Also, I have quite a few Elvis singles made in the late 70s (but reissues of > older tracks) that are on RCA Victor (black label USA pressings), but on all > of them the Victor logo is either obliterated with a marker pen, or has a > small white circle sticker over it. I guess there is some history behind > this too ? > > Another one I can think of from back in the day is Abba were on Epic here, > but I have quite a few on Atlantic. > An English group in the 80s, the Human League, were on EMI over here, but I > have quite a few ex jukebox copies of their records that are on A&M, pressed > in the USA and imported into English jukeboxes. Maybe it was just how the > record distributors got the records then - Ive always been quite intrigued > by it. > > Another thing to note - some records (UK or US) had a small hole punched in > the label right through the record. I was told this was records that did not > count in the chart sales, or something to do with royalties. I can't quite > remember now - been a long time ;-) > > Nigel > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman > Sent: 10 January 2009 20:56 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: > >> I noticed a lot of the American records on the >> jukeboxes were on different labels to their UK equivalents, >> (Eg you had Atlantic where we had WEA, you had Ariola when >> we had TK, your Columbia was our Epic etc....) > > Atlantic Records belonged to Warner Brothers, and "WEA" was, > in the US, trade lingo for Warner-Elektra-Atlantic, the > major lables Warner's owned. I've never heard of Ariola > outside of Europe, and a Wikipedia search showed that they > owned the US brand Arista. Epic was a label owned by > Columbia and they released many Epic records in the US. > Part of the problem with record labels was that over the > years, the original "Big Two" in the US, Victor and > Columbia, shitched alliegences with European companies > after WWII. This resulted in EMI owning both the HMV > trademark (associated with RCA Victor in the US) and > the Columbia trademark (associated with the radio network > CBS in the US). EMI released RCA Victor's artists (like > Elvis) but EMI owned Capitol, so Capitol released EMI's > artists (like the Beatles) in the US. US Decca was owned > by Universal Studios, so British Decca used the "London" > label in the US. HMV owned Columbia's prewar catalog, > and Columbia issued many HMV postwar artists, like Pink > FLoyd, but sold their own postwar artists mainly through > their own label. The sad thing is that after all the > recent berging and selling of record companies to each > other, no one has clear title to the HMV trademark > anymore except JVC (Victor of Japan) and they only > have it for Asia. That venerable old trademark, once > the most recognized in the world, is in danger of slipping > into the public domain outside of Asia. > >> Where it was not so >> good is quite a lot of the pressings were on that horrible >> polystyrene, which we never had over here. > > That was mainly Columbia's gig. Surprising they didn't > "press" (actually injection-mould) their export records > that way also. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 01:08:12 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 11 01:09:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5413.76299.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Karl, I don't know if they are the same--thanks for looking--Ron??Rich --- On Sat, 1/10/09, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 12:56 PM Ron, I have 2 2204's in the shop. Would they be the same? I have manuals too but it will be Monday before I can check which ones I have, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? Hi All, Does anyone happen to have either the Service Manual or a Wurly 2400s that they could look at and tell me the correct sizes for the "Primary" fuse, and the "DC" fuse located on the aux power supply (down on the floor to the left, as viewed from phono rear). This one has 30 amp-ers installed in ALL fuse posts---(No Blows ?)--I kinda don't think so---TIA, Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Jan 11 02:21:04 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Jan 11 02:22:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <320615.3814.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <002701c97369$22494fc0$66dbef40$@force9.co.uk> <320615.3814.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c973d6$4f228df0$ed67a9d0$@force9.co.uk> I remember now, it was the non returnable items. Its been a long time since I thought about this. Thanks for the explanation on the HMV logo. That makes sense. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 10 January 2009 22:05 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: > Also, I have quite a few Elvis singles made in the late 70s > (but reissues of older tracks) that are on RCA Victor > (black label USA pressings), but on all of them the Victor > logo is either obliterated with a marker pen, or has a > small white circle sticker over it. I guess there is some > history behind this too ? That's because RCA Victor didn't have the rights to the "His Master's Voice" logo in Europe. Only in the Americas. This division was agreed on when RCA sold its interests in EMI and JVC just prior to WWII. > Another thing to note - some records (UK or US) had a small > hole punched in the label right through the record. I was > told this was records that did not > count in the chart sales, or something to do with > royalties. Those were cutouts. Essentially discontinued titles that the distributor got inexpensively but could not return for refud if they didn't sell. They probably didn't count for chart sales or royalties, because if they were still hot sellers they wouldn't be cutouts. :-) I never bought many of them because they were usually not very good, but I did get the soundtrack LP of The Rutles' "All You Need is Cash" at a Tower Records store only a week after the film was shown on TV. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From stamann at jukebox-world.de Sun Jan 11 02:57:16 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Sun Jan 11 02:58:48 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? Message-ID: Hello Ron, we did add a picture of a 2400S power supply to our archive: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Wurlitzer/Wurlitzer2400.htm Let us know in case you need more info. Best regards - Oliver Stamann -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Ron Rich Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Januar 2009 21:31 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? Hi All, Does anyone happen to have either the Service Manual or a Wurly 2400s that they could look at and tell me the correct?sizes for the "Primary" fuse, and the "DC" fuse located on the aux power supply (down on the floor to the?left, as viewed from phono rear). This one has 30 amp-ers installed in ALL fuse posts---(No Blows ?)--I kinda don't think so---TIA, Ron Rich? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 11 06:57:14 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Jan 11 06:58:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? References: <5413.76299.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c973fc$e44ec490$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I believe the 2400 stereo series is unique, although the 2300 stereo models have a very similar power supply. I believe the difference is the 2300 still has a 5U4 rectifier and the 2400 series switched to solid state. Anyway, I have the 2300 manual and it show an 8 amp primary fuse and a 2 amp slo-blo for the DC circuitry. Hope this helps, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:08 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? Karl, I don't know if they are the same--thanks for looking--Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/10/09, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 12:56 PM Ron, I have 2 2204's in the shop. Would they be the same? I have manuals too but it will be Monday before I can check which ones I have, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? Hi All, Does anyone happen to have either the Service Manual or a Wurly 2400s that they could look at and tell me the correct sizes for the "Primary" fuse, and the "DC" fuse located on the aux power supply (down on the floor to the left, as viewed from phono rear). This one has 30 amp-ers installed in ALL fuse posts---(No Blows ?)--I kinda don't think so---TIA, Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Jan 11 07:41:01 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun Jan 11 07:42:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 fuses References: <5413.76299.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000d01c973fc$e44ec490$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: Ron, ok...this is from my 2400 series manual the Power Supply, Stereo: looking from the side where the 4 fuses are located..the first on the right (next to the 12 pronged plug) is a 1.6 amp sb, next is 8.0 amp, next is 3.0 amp and last(on the left) is a 2 amp, sb hope this helps jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? >I believe the 2400 stereo series is unique, although the 2300 stereo models >have a very similar power supply. I believe the difference is the 2300 >still has a 5U4 rectifier and the 2400 series switched to solid state. >Anyway, I have the 2300 manual and it show an 8 amp primary fuse and a 2 >amp slo-blo for the DC circuitry. Hope this helps, > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? > > > Karl, > I don't know if they are the same--thanks for looking--Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, CCOS wrote: > > From: CCOS > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 12:56 PM > > Ron, > > I have 2 2204's in the shop. Would they be the same? I have manuals too > but > it will be Monday before I can check which ones I have, > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:16 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? > > > Hi All, Does anyone happen to have either the Service Manual or a Wurly > 2400s > that they could look at and tell me the correct sizes for the > "Primary" fuse, and the "DC" fuse located on the aux power > supply (down on the floor to the left, as viewed from phono rear). This > one has > 30 amp-ers installed in ALL fuse posts---(No Blows ?)--I kinda don't think > so---TIA, Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 08:33:21 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 11 08:34:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <000f01c973d6$4f228df0$ed67a9d0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <589167.2234.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nigel, What is the HMV logo--is it the dog listing to His Masters Voice on the Victrola?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 2:21 AM I remember now, it was the non returnable items. Its been a long time since I thought about this. Thanks for the explanation on the HMV logo. That makes sense. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 10 January 2009 22:05 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: > Also, I have quite a few Elvis singles made in the late 70s > (but reissues of older tracks) that are on RCA Victor > (black label USA pressings), but on all of them the Victor > logo is either obliterated with a marker pen, or has a > small white circle sticker over it. I guess there is some > history behind this too ? That's because RCA Victor didn't have the rights to the "His Master's Voice" logo in Europe. Only in the Americas. This division was agreed on when RCA sold its interests in EMI and JVC just prior to WWII. > Another thing to note - some records (UK or US) had a small > hole punched in the label right through the record. I was > told this was records that did not > count in the chart sales, or something to do with > royalties. Those were cutouts. Essentially discontinued titles that the distributor got inexpensively but could not return for refud if they didn't sell. They probably didn't count for chart sales or royalties, because if they were still hot sellers they wouldn't be cutouts. :-) I never bought many of them because they were usually not very good, but I did get the soundtrack LP of The Rutles' "All You Need is Cash" at a Tower Records store only a week after the film was shown on TV. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Sun Jan 11 08:37:18 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sun Jan 11 08:38:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI E 120 restoration photos posted on photo bucket Message-ID: <20090111161520.M99521@dwave.net> Because John sent me photos of his AMI project I thought I would make my first post on photo bucket. http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/AMI%20120%20E/ 26 photos are posted, click slide show to see all the titles and descriptions. Thanks Jackie for posting many photos on photo bucket. I guess you got me started now! More photos of my other jukes to follow. Jeremy Agema From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Jan 11 08:58:45 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Jan 11 08:59:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <589167.2234.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <000f01c973d6$4f228df0$ed67a9d0$@force9.co.uk> <589167.2234.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c9740d$ddc34a90$9949dfb0$@force9.co.uk> Ron, Yes, it's the nipper dog that is either crossed out or has a white sticker over the top of it, Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 11 January 2009 16:33 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP Nigel, What is the HMV logo--is it the dog listing to His Masters Voice on the Victrola?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 2:21 AM I remember now, it was the non returnable items. Its been a long time since I thought about this. Thanks for the explanation on the HMV logo. That makes sense. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 10 January 2009 22:05 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: > Also, I have quite a few Elvis singles made in the late 70s > (but reissues of older tracks) that are on RCA Victor > (black label USA pressings), but on all of them the Victor > logo is either obliterated with a marker pen, or has a > small white circle sticker over it. I guess there is some > history behind this too ? That's because RCA Victor didn't have the rights to the "His Master's Voice" logo in Europe. Only in the Americas. This division was agreed on when RCA sold its interests in EMI and JVC just prior to WWII. > Another thing to note - some records (UK or US) had a small > hole punched in the label right through the record. I was > told this was records that did not > count in the chart sales, or something to do with > royalties. Those were cutouts. Essentially discontinued titles that the distributor got inexpensively but could not return for refud if they didn't sell. They probably didn't count for chart sales or royalties, because if they were still hot sellers they wouldn't be cutouts. :-) I never bought many of them because they were usually not very good, but I did get the soundtrack LP of The Rutles' "All You Need is Cash" at a Tower Records store only a week after the film was shown on TV. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 09:03:41 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 11 09:04:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <002101c9740d$ddc34a90$9949dfb0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <355023.71688.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks, that's what I thunked ---Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 8:58 AM Ron, Yes, it's the nipper dog that is either crossed out or has a white sticker over the top of it, Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 11 January 2009 16:33 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP Nigel, What is the HMV logo--is it the dog listing to His Masters Voice on the Victrola?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 2:21 AM I remember now, it was the non returnable items. Its been a long time since I thought about this. Thanks for the explanation on the HMV logo. That makes sense. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 10 January 2009 22:05 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: > Also, I have quite a few Elvis singles made in the late 70s > (but reissues of older tracks) that are on RCA Victor > (black label USA pressings), but on all of them the Victor > logo is either obliterated with a marker pen, or has a > small white circle sticker over it. I guess there is some > history behind this too ? That's because RCA Victor didn't have the rights to the "His Master's Voice" logo in Europe. Only in the Americas. This division was agreed on when RCA sold its interests in EMI and JVC just prior to WWII. > Another thing to note - some records (UK or US) had a small > hole punched in the label right through the record. I was > told this was records that did not > count in the chart sales, or something to do with > royalties. Those were cutouts. Essentially discontinued titles that the distributor got inexpensively but could not return for refud if they didn't sell. They probably didn't count for chart sales or royalties, because if they were still hot sellers they wouldn't be cutouts. :-) I never bought many of them because they were usually not very good, but I did get the soundtrack LP of The Rutles' "All You Need is Cash" at a Tower Records store only a week after the film was shown on TV. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 09:10:15 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 11 09:11:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-HMV-Nipper dog Message-ID: <714348.77392.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Speaking of the "Nipper Dog", there is an older than me (Impossible you say?) gentleman in this area who claims to have every version of that dog in his collection. He must have at least 100?of them, all slightly different. They range, in size,?from over 6 ft tall to mini's that fit in the palm of your hand.?It's been awhile since I have seen them, but they were impressive--Ron Rich? From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Jan 11 09:19:05 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun Jan 11 09:20:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-HMV-Nipper dog References: <714348.77392.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2872FFEC892B43C9A8C29A18D9C655C3@home1903> Ron, did you get the info on the 2400 Series Fuse Values I sent, I don't see it on my computer? Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-HMV-Nipper dog Hi All, Speaking of the "Nipper Dog", there is an older than me (Impossible you say?) gentleman in this area who claims to have every version of that dog in his collection. He must have at least 100 of them, all slightly different. They range, in size, from over 6 ft tall to mini's that fit in the palm of your hand. It's been awhile since I have seen them, but they were impressive--Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Jan 11 09:24:34 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun Jan 11 09:25:45 2009 Subject: Fw: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 fuses Message-ID: <846F323617C448C1BC20FDEC303D4819@home1903> > Ron, > ok...this is from my 2400 series manual > the Power Supply, Stereo: > looking from the side where the 4 fuses are located..the first on the > right (next to the 12 pronged plug) is a 1.6 amp sb, next is 8.0 amp, next > is 3.0 amp and last(on the left) is a 2 amp, sb > > hope this helps > jackie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? > > >>I believe the 2400 stereo series is unique, although the 2300 stereo >>models have a very similar power supply. I believe the difference is the >>2300 still has a 5U4 rectifier and the 2400 series switched to solid >>state. Anyway, I have the 2300 manual and it show an 8 amp primary fuse >>and a 2 amp slo-blo for the DC circuitry. Hope this helps, >> >> Jim >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron Rich" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? >> >> >> Karl, >> I don't know if they are the same--thanks for looking--Ron Rich >> >> --- On Sat, 1/10/09, CCOS wrote: >> >> From: CCOS >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 12:56 PM >> >> Ron, >> >> I have 2 2204's in the shop. Would they be the same? I have manuals too >> but >> it will be Monday before I can check which ones I have, >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706)507-2963 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:16 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? >> >> >> Hi All, Does anyone happen to have either the Service Manual or a Wurly >> 2400s >> that they could look at and tell me the correct sizes for the >> "Primary" fuse, and the "DC" fuse located on the aux power >> supply (down on the floor to the left, as viewed from phono rear). This >> one has >> 30 amp-ers installed in ALL fuse posts---(No Blows ?)--I kinda don't >> think >> so---TIA, Ron Rich >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 09:28:26 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 11 09:29:34 2009 Subject: Fw: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? Message-ID: <746659.3428.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? To: "Stamann" Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 8:37 AM Oliver, and all, Thanks ever so much--that clears it up !! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Stamann wrote: From: Stamann Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 2:57 AM Hello Ron, we did add a picture of a 2400S power supply to our archive: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Wurlitzer/Wurlitzer2400.htm Let us know in case you need more info. Best regards - Oliver Stamann -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Ron Rich Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Januar 2009 21:31 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: [Jukebox-list] W 2400 ? Hi All, Does anyone happen to have either the Service Manual or a Wurly 2400s that they could look at and tell me the correct?sizes for the "Primary" fuse, and the "DC" fuse located on the aux power supply (down on the floor to the?left, as viewed from phono rear). This one has 30 amp-ers installed in ALL fuse posts---(No Blows ?)--I kinda don't think so---TIA, Ron Rich? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 09:32:55 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 11 09:34:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-HMV-Nipper dog In-Reply-To: <2872FFEC892B43C9A8C29A18D9C655C3@home1903> Message-ID: <497207.34772.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, Yes--Thanks to all !! --I have it figured out now !!! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/11/09, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT-HMV-Nipper dog To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 9:19 AM Ron, did you get the info on the 2400 Series Fuse Values I sent, I don't see it on my computer? Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-HMV-Nipper dog Hi All, Speaking of the "Nipper Dog", there is an older than me (Impossible you say?) gentleman in this area who claims to have every version of that dog in his collection. He must have at least 100 of them, all slightly different. They range, in size, from over 6 ft tall to mini's that fit in the palm of your hand. It's been awhile since I have seen them, but they were impressive--Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Jan 11 09:41:07 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Jan 11 09:48:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 24 selector pin issue Message-ID: My Wurlitzer 24 recently had a jam up issue. I selected 16 and 8 came out and played. Then when it went to put it back the issue reared its ugly head. 8 labored to go back and then the turntable raised before it could get back and I quickly unplugged it. I managed to get the tray back out and remove no. 8 tray and record.No. 16 tray wouldn't budge. All the others were free to move. Today I discovered the problem.The selector pin wasn't where it should have been. Instead of in the gap in the tray where it should have been it was farther in on the plateau where it pivots essentially jammed between 8 and 16. I managed to coax it out and get it back into place and I made sure the selector could move up and down and back and forth freely. It is playing now but how did it get where it was in the first place? Was the lubrication gummy maybe? As I said it is working fine as far as I know. I played Little Richard's "The Girl Can't Help It" thinking Of Jackie and her Trashcan which is what put the fire under my butt to get my hands on a 78 juke. J.C. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) From chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 11 11:28:02 2009 From: chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net (chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun Jan 11 11:29:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What is it about the sound of an old jukebox? Message-ID: <601787.25733.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I grew up with a jukebox at my parents house.? This jukebox in recent times sat in my parents basement unused for the past 10 years.? It was not working anymore.? I recently finished my basement and turned it into a rec room and bar.? I moved the non-working jukebox to my basement and it sat there for the past?four months waiting for me to take a look at it.? I didn't know if it was even fixable.? After fiddling with it, researching?on the internet, and posting messages to this group, I finally have it fully functioning.? So I am?now at the point where my old Rock-ola 442 is playing nicely.? I just finished cleaning all the records in there last night. So I am sitting down at my basement bar and I am playing these old 45's on my jukebox.? Most are from the 70's and 80's.??I am listening and for some reason, there is something special about listening to these old records this way.? Something about the sound of the jukebox... the mechanical relays firing off as I choose a song... the sound of the mechanism in between songs... the scratchy sound as the needle starts to play.? Something about this just makes everything sound better to me.? Not better in a perfect, hi-fidelity way... but better in a more down to earth, simpler time way.? It's hard to convey what I feel when I listen to these old jukebox songs... For some reason I feel closer to the music.??? Maybe it is because this?is the jukebox my parents bought back in 1980... and these are the songs I grew up listening to while playing in my basement has a child/teenager. There is a line from an unplublished Roger Waters poem that goes "There is a magic in some books/That sucks a man into connections/With the spirits hard to touch/ That join him to his kind."? This is how I feel when listening to those scratchy old 45's on my old jukebox. Regards, Chad From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 11:38:37 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Jan 11 11:39:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-HMV-Nipper dog In-Reply-To: <714348.77392.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <474662.43928.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> BTW, on the subject of Nipper - many people don't know that he was originally listening to an Edison Phonograph! The painter, Francis Barraud, couldn't find a buyer for the original paiting (here in a copyright submission photograph: http://www.jeffbots.com/hmvorig.jpg So he approached the Gramophone and Typewriter Company in London to borrow a brass-belled horn to "update" the image. The manager told Barraud that if he replaced the Edison machine in the paining with G&T's current top-of-the-line model, he'd buy the painting. The original painting still hangs in the board room of EMI in London. Barraud spent the rest of his days in a comfortable business of painting replicas of his original paiting for various EMI and Victor executives and subsidiaries, here: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc007772-v6.jpg I've seen Elridge Johnson's copy of the painting. He was the founder of the Victor Talking Machine Company, and the the designer of the gramophone in the painting. It needs cleaning. It's very dark. Probably decades of cigarette and cigar smoke. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From wbabbott at verizon.net Sun Jan 11 11:39:41 2009 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Sun Jan 11 11:41:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What is it about the sound of an old jukebox? Message-ID: <301628815.40927191231702781035.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Chad, you're right, kinda brings me back to my younger days. I like the 50's juke watching the mech pull the records... My young teenagers wonder what those round black things are with holes in the middle, and scoff who needs it , I gotta an IPod.... Well...they ain't got the memories I've got !! They also don't have real music... because rap and hip hop ain't music.... though there are still some modern muscians that still have the Rock touch like KT Tunstall.... Britt On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM, chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net wrote: > I grew up with a jukebox at my parents house.? This jukebox in recent > times sat in my parents basement unused for the past 10 years.? It was > not working anymore.? I recently finished my basement and turned it > into a rec room and bar.? I moved the non-working jukebox to my > basement and it sat there for the past?four months waiting for me to > take a look at it.? I didn't know if it was even fixable.? After > fiddling with it, researching?on the internet, and posting messages to > this group, I finally have it fully functioning.? So I am?now at the > point where my old Rock-ola 442 is playing nicely.? I just finished > cleaning all the records in there last night. So I am sitting down at my basement bar and I am playing these old 45's on my jukebox.? Most are from the 70's and 80's.??I am listening and for some reason, there is something special about listening to these old records this way.? Something about the sound of the jukebox... the mechanical relays firing off as I choose a song... the sound of the mechanism in between songs... the scratchy sound as the needle starts to play.? Something about this just makes everything sound better to me.? Not better in a perfect, hi-fidelity way... but better in a more down to earth, simpler time way.? It's hard to convey what I feel when I listen to these old jukebox songs... For some reason I feel closer to the music.??? Maybe it is because this?is the jukebox my parents bought back in 1980... and these are the songs I grew up listening to while playing in my basement has a child/teenager. There is a line from an unplublished Roger Waters poem that goes "There is a magic in some books/That sucks a man into connections/With the spirits hard to touch/ That join him to his kind."? This is how I feel when listening to those scratchy old 45's on my old jukebox. Regards, Chad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 11 16:46:09 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Jan 11 16:47:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 24 selector pin issue References: Message-ID: <002401c9744f$29b620d0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> JC - lack of lubrication will cause wrong selections (and other problems as well), but wrong selections and a jammed selector block are two different things. It sounds as if the rod that holds the selector block is slightly out of adjustment. You can easily adjust this rod by removing the cotter pin at the bottom and rotating the rod. The selector block is threaded into this rod, so you can move it up or down depending on what you need. Because your mechanism is the first 24 play model, it was more likely than the 1015 or 1100 models to have been "played to death" before becoming obsolete by Seeburg's 100 play machines. So sometimes the heart-shaped cam and the roller inside become worn. Check this roller for flat spots and replace it if need be. Victory sells replacements, and also sells a slightly oversized roller - buy both in case you need it. If theses two parts are worn, the selector block may not be in the correct position when the star wheel locks the selector shaft in place. I usually check the selector block position at the top record and check it again at the bottom record. Most likely you will see a difference - the selector block will not be centered perfectly in both trays. But split the difference between the two and the rest of the trays will be OK. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 24 selector pin issue > My Wurlitzer 24 recently had a jam up issue. I selected 16 and 8 came out > and played. Then when it went to put it back the issue reared its ugly > head. 8 > labored to go back and then the turntable raised before it could get back > and > I quickly unplugged it. I managed to get the tray back out and remove no. > 8 > tray and record.No. 16 tray wouldn't budge. All the others were free to > move. > > Today I discovered the problem.The selector pin wasn't where it should > have > been. Instead of in the gap in the tray where it should have been it was > farther in on the plateau where it pivots essentially jammed between 8 > and 16. I > managed to coax it out and get it back into place and I made sure the > selector could move up and down and back and forth freely. It is playing > now but how > did it get where it was in the first place? Was the lubrication gummy > maybe? > > As I said it is working fine as far as I know. I played Little Richard's > "The Girl Can't Help It" thinking Of Jackie and her Trashcan which is > what put > the fire under my butt to get my hands on a 78 juke. > > J.C. > > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 16:46:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 11 16:47:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 24 selector pin issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <490367.69164.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> JC, Earl, Earl, and?proper Earl---thems suppostobee oilt once a week, not weakly !! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 24 selector pin issue To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 9:41 AM My Wurlitzer 24 recently had a jam up issue. I selected 16 and 8 came out and played. Then when it went to put it back the issue reared its ugly head.. 8 labored to go back and then the turntable raised before it could get back and I quickly unplugged it. I managed to get the tray back out and remove no. 8 tray and record.No. 16 tray wouldn't budge. All the others were free to move. Today I discovered the problem.The selector pin wasn't where it should have been. Instead of in the gap in the tray where it should have been it was farther in on the plateau where it pivots essentially jammed between 8 and 16. I managed to coax it out and get it back into place and I made sure the selector could move up and down and back and forth freely. It is playing now but how did it get where it was in the first place? Was the lubrication gummy maybe? As I said it is working fine as far as I know. I played Little Richard's "The Girl Can't Help It" thinking Of Jackie and her Trashcan which is what put the fire under my butt to get my hands on a 78 juke. J.C. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From radiocontrolhead at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 11 21:18:39 2009 From: radiocontrolhead at sbcglobal.net (Danny Mourad) Date: Sun Jan 11 21:26:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Trashcan 146 restoration questions Message-ID: <503457.14789.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey guys, I've done as much research as possible on this topic and I know it's been discussed here on the list but please don't flame me for reposting this.? I couldn't find the exact answer to my question so if you can direct me to the answer It would be much appreciated. ? I'm finally working on the cabinet and need to know exactly how to do this.? I would like to know what kind of finish is on this cabinet (finish name) Zebrawood?.? I read that Seeburg never used a veneer and I'm not exactly sure I can veneer this cylinder shaped cabinet if I decided to go that route.? Is it possible??I also found out that Di-noc was used for this cabinet and that it's still availalbe today however just not the exact mateiral causing a problem today.? I don't want to take this cabinet to an artist and woudl much rather have some wood grained material applied to the cabinet.? What options do I have?? ? Thanks guys! ? ? From dave.halford at telent.com Mon Jan 12 01:40:24 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Mon Jan 12 01:41:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP Message-ID: <20090112094027.538BA2740BD@blade207.lb.inty.net> That probably explains a 'record' in a job lot I once bought. Two records with the 'B' sides glued together with epoxy, nice! It made a great frizby. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Jan 12 04:53:10 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 12 05:00:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI E 120 restoration photos posted on photo bucket In-Reply-To: <20090111161520.M99521@dwave.net> References: <20090111161520.M99521@dwave.net> Message-ID: <8CB42CBDB8B8EDA-F8-111@WEBMAIL-DG04.sim.aol.com> Looks great, Jeremy! Now... where do I start...? I guess I'd like to address my selection bank first. Do you recommend taking this out and cleaning it? I? have at least one button that is completely locked/stuck. I was missing a couple of the grey buttons but a handful turned up on Ebay and I won 'em. Thanks for sharing- j -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Agema To: Jukebox list Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:37 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI E 120 restoration photos posted on photo bucket Because John sent me photos of his AMI project I thought I would make my first post on photo bucket. http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/AMI%20120%20E/ 26 photos are posted, click slide show to see all the titles and descriptions. Thanks Jackie for posting many photos on photo bucket. I guess you got me started now! More photos of my other jukes to follow. Jeremy Agema _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Wed Jan 7 15:43:35 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Mon Jan 12 08:50:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f 120 record ejector popping fuses Message-ID: I have a fairly well running f-120. Occasionally, after the record is loaded, a solenoid (one on front and one on back) fires and pushes the finger down. On my machine, the solenoid will fire only partially on its full travel length, other times if fires completely but the misses the finger altogether. I'm guessing here but I think the turntable is not lining up properly over the fingers. Oddly though, this only seems to occur on the rear set of fingers, weird. Any advice would be greatly appreciated Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Windows LiveTM: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Wed Jan 7 15:49:29 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (bryan) Date: Mon Jan 12 08:50:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record pickup arm question on an AMI F 120 Message-ID: I just read about your turntable problem. I suggest looking at the set of contact switches at the right side of the turntable. When facing the right side, at the top right corner, there is a set of switched that activate depending on the position of the arm. If they are crusty, or if the 120 v olt line feeding them is cracked as they may well be if you have the original wiring, there may be your problem. When the problem is occuring, use a wooden spoon, shim or dowel the manipulate the switched to see if you can change the behavior. Bryan From Roughwards at aol.com Fri Jan 9 06:28:44 2009 From: Roughwards at aol.com (Roughwards@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 12 08:50:11 2009 Subject: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] Eltec F100 - German Juke-box Message-ID: hi is the eltec F60 or F100 manual available in english many thanks barry From jgb890 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 11 11:08:03 2009 From: jgb890 at hotmail.com (jim bobik) Date: Mon Jan 12 08:50:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rockola 474 trips breaker Message-ID: This was perfect for my problem and workedperfect thank-you From stamann at jukebox-world.de Mon Jan 12 10:05:40 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Mon Jan 12 10:13:50 2009 Subject: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] Eltec F100 - German Juke-box Message-ID: Not that I know of. So far I only have seen the F100 manual in German. Kind regards - Hildegard ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Stamann Musikboxen - Schafskamp 2 - D-27243 Klein Henstedt - www.jukebox-world.de - stamann@jukebox-world.de Tel: (++49) 04224/264, Fax: (++49) 04224-1348, Ust.Id: DE 249241577 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Roughwards@aol.com Gesendet: Montag, 12. Januar 2009 18:01 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] Eltec F100 - German Juke-box hi is the eltec F60 or F100 manual available in english many thanks barry _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From grahamricho at hotmail.com Mon Jan 12 11:44:56 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Mon Jan 12 11:51:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami bass speaker? Message-ID: Could anybody tell me the impedance of the 10 inch bass speakers used on the Rowe Ami R81-R84 jukeboxes thanks From erniejade at yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 12:27:02 2009 From: erniejade at yahoo.com (ernie jade) Date: Mon Jan 12 12:34:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cd100 player Message-ID: <928461.47311.qm@web31401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone have a?PRO CD player for a cd100 A? or B reasonable??? It seems like I can buy an entire CD100 Jukebox? with a pro player in it? cheaper then just the replacement unit.?? Mine still has the original player and it is starting to skip.?? ? Thanks in advance. ? Brian From ccos at knology.net Mon Jan 12 13:02:56 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Jan 12 13:04:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cd100 player References: <928461.47311.qm@web31401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I sell em, but they are rebuilt units from A & B so I don't give em away. I see em on ebay all the time for $100 or less. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernie jade" To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 3:27 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cd100 player Anyone have a PRO CD player for a cd100 A or B reasonable? It seems like I can buy an entire CD100 Jukebox with a pro player in it cheaper then just the replacement unit. Mine still has the original player and it is starting to skip. Thanks in advance. Brian _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Mon Jan 12 13:00:07 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Mon Jan 12 13:11:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions In-Reply-To: <20090112094027.538BA2740BD@blade207.lb.inty.net> References: <20090112094027.538BA2740BD@blade207.lb.inty.net> Message-ID: <496BAF57.2090801@sparksandarcs.net> Hi guys, I just acquired a Stern/Seeburg SMC2 with the orange columns and have a few questions on it.... How do I set it on free play? I *think* it can be done with soldering jumpers on the MCU, but surely there's an easier way! Both of the spotlight bulbs are missing. What's the proper bulb type? My sockets are empty. On a related note, my disco ball has lost most of its reflective surface on the top half. Anyone got a good one they'd be willing to sell? The upper speakers are toast -- both have rotten foams, and one has no upper end. I'd like to replace them, but being 4x10s, I'm limited in my selection of drivers. Are these 4 ohm automotive-type speakers out of the factory? Or 8 ohm? I know the earlier SMC2s and SMC1 had horn drivers. Can anyone tell me about those? Would I be wise to retrofit horns or is it better to go with regular speakers. How's the sound of the horns rate? I've notice that there's a fairly significant outward-applied anti-skate force on the tonearm, which occasionally causes "sticky groove" skips. I realize the tonearm has to have some sort of force to "reset" it at record reject, but how much is "enough"? Is this adjustable at all or is it best to leave it alone? Thanks for your patience! I appreciate your help! Mike Carmack From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Mon Jan 12 13:11:27 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Mon Jan 12 13:12:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What is it about the sound of an old jukebox? In-Reply-To: <301628815.40927191231702781035.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> References: <301628815.40927191231702781035.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <496BB1FF.2070507@sparksandarcs.net> It's a very "tactile" experience -- the same thing that draws me into vinyl records alone. Although it may not be perfect sound, or even the most distortion free, depending on the model of the jukebox, that whole "spinning gears" and mechanical "eye candy" sucks me in every time! Digital sound may be close to perfect (insert large grain of salt here), but it's too "sterile" for me. I like my music to have personality, something that digital successfully suppresses. It's like the difference between driving a Toyota/Lexus and a BMW 3-series or an older Mercedes. The latter have their own personality in their handling, engine, and the way they interpret the braille of the road. The Toyota/Lexus also does the job well, but *too* well. Japanese cars to me don't have any personality. Don't get me wrong, I have a Toyota as a daily driver. But I also have a well-maintained Volvo 740 turbo that I enjoy driving much more despite having 20 years and 200k miles more than the Toyota. You FEEL that car in every movement. It has quirks that create a personality, making you really interact and think about the driving experience (Farfhegnugen anyone?). Japanese cars consistently have the ability to do the job without any color, bias, or feedback, no matter the make. They are excellent and unrivaled in what they are, but that attachment is harder to create just as it is with the iPod or even CDs vs. vinyl. Mike Carmack Britt Abbott wrote: > > Chad, you're right, kinda brings me back to my younger days. I like > the 50's juke watching the mech pull the records... My young teenagers > wonder what those round black things are with holes in the middle, and > scoff who needs it , I gotta an IPod.... Well...they ain't got the > memories I've got !! They also don't have real music... because rap > and hip hop ain't music.... though there are still some modern > muscians that still have the Rock touch like KT Tunstall.... > Britt > > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM, chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> I grew up with a jukebox at my parents house. This jukebox in recent >> times sat in my parents basement unused for the past 10 years. It >> was not working anymore. I recently finished my basement and turned >> it into a rec room and bar. I moved the non-working jukebox to my >> basement and it sat there for the past four months waiting for me to >> take a look at it. I didn't know if it was even fixable. After >> fiddling with it, researching on the internet, and posting messages >> to this group, I finally have it fully functioning. So I am now at >> the point where my old Rock-ola 442 is playing nicely. I just >> finished cleaning all the records in there last night. > > So I am sitting down at my basement bar and I am playing these old > 45's on my jukebox. Most are from the 70's and 80's. I am listening > and for some reason, there is something special about listening to > these old records this way. Something about the sound of the > jukebox... the mechanical relays firing off as I choose a song... the > sound of the mechanism in between songs... the scratchy sound as the > needle starts to play. Something about this just makes everything > sound better to me. Not better in a perfect, hi-fidelity way... but > better in a more down to earth, simpler time way. It's hard to convey > what I feel when I listen to these old jukebox songs... For some > reason I feel closer to the music. Maybe it is because this is the > jukebox my parents bought back in 1980... and these are the songs I > grew up listening to while playing in my basement has a child/teenager. > > There is a line from an unplublished Roger Waters poem that goes > "There is a magic in some books/That sucks a man into connections/With > the spirits hard to touch/ That join him to his kind." This is how I > feel when listening to those scratchy old 45's on my old jukebox. > > Regards, > Chad > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Mon Jan 12 13:14:46 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Mon Jan 12 13:15:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 one more question In-Reply-To: <20090112094027.538BA2740BD@blade207.lb.inty.net> References: <20090112094027.538BA2740BD@blade207.lb.inty.net> Message-ID: <496BB2C6.6050808@sparksandarcs.net> I just thought of another thing -- sorry for not including it in the first post. It seems that the response of the drivers in the lower box of the cabinet is a bit...um....odd. One sounds like it's a Full Range driver, and the other sounds like a woofer. I checked the wiring, and it all seems to be okay, with nothing damaged or crossed. Should it be like this on the SMC2? I had a Wurlitzer 2610 back in the day that was done like this intentionally it seems between the two 12" drivers. Or do I blame it on the un-rebuilt amplifier? Thanks! From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 13:12:54 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Jan 12 13:19:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cd100 player In-Reply-To: <928461.47311.qm@web31401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <928461.47311.qm@web31401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A CD-PRO player is not a direct drop-in replacement for an original CD100-A or B which use a CDM3 player. There are mechanical parts and electronics (mech controller and power supply) that need to be changed to utilize a CD-PRO player. Now if you ALREADY have a CD-PRO player in the jukebox, why don't you send it off to Bruce Wentworth for repair. Probably for about the price of a unit off of Ebay, you will even get a warranty on the repair. Same advice if you have a CDM3 player... :) Thomas On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:27 PM, ernie jade wrote: > Anyone have a PRO CD player for a cd100 A or B reasonable? It seems like > I can buy an entire CD100 Jukebox with a pro player in it cheaper then > just the replacement unit. Mine still has the original player and it is > starting to skip. > > Thanks in advance. > > Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From erniejade at yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 13:57:33 2009 From: erniejade at yahoo.com (ernie jade) Date: Mon Jan 12 13:58:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re Cd100 Message-ID: <412925.72282.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the advice.??? Do you know Bruce's number or a way to contact him?? Mine is the 3 player that came with it.?? ? ? Thanks again!!? ? Brian ? ? From erniejade at yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 13:57:30 2009 From: erniejade at yahoo.com (ernie jade) Date: Mon Jan 12 13:58:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re Cd100 Message-ID: <96631.14621.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the advice.??? Do you know Bruce's number or a way to contact him?? Mine is the 3 player that came with it.?? ? ? Thanks again!!? ? Brian ? ? From erniejade at yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 14:10:10 2009 From: erniejade at yahoo.com (ernie jade) Date: Mon Jan 12 14:11:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] re:cd 100 player Message-ID: <448354.9669.qm@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ? ? Nevermind I looked up Bruce on the internet.? That is reasonable for the unit!?? ? Thank you again for suggesting him.?? Perfect!? ? Brian From ccos at knology.net Mon Jan 12 14:12:16 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Jan 12 14:13:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re Cd100 References: <412925.72282.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22729E4A02434976961648784F01DD4B@home31b34d4856> http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/ Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernie jade" To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 4:57 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re Cd100 Thanks for the advice. Do you know Bruce's number or a way to contact him? Mine is the 3 player that came with it. Thanks again!! Brian _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 15:58:45 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 12 15:59:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cd100 player In-Reply-To: <928461.47311.qm@web31401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <843413.69966.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Brian, If it's "original" it ain't a Pro Player !! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/12/09, ernie jade wrote: From: ernie jade Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cd100 player To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 12:27 PM Anyone have a?PRO CD player for a cd100 A? or B reasonable??? It seems like I can buy an entire CD100 Jukebox? with a pro player in it? cheaper then just the replacement unit.?? Mine still has the original player and it is starting to skip.?? ? Thanks in advance. ? Brian _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Mon Jan 12 17:07:35 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:08:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rockola 474 trips breaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090113010454.M42949@dwave.net> Jim I am pleased the people on this list were able to help you out. Could you please resend the email with the advice that helped you out? This way next time I work on a 474 or similar Rockola I might remember what helped you out. (right now I have no clue what worked for you). Thanks Jeremy Agema On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:08:03 -0600, jim bobik wrote > This was perfect for my problem and workedperfect thank-you > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Mon Jan 12 17:30:50 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:32:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions In-Reply-To: <496BAF57.2090801@sparksandarcs.net> References: <20090112094027.538BA2740BD@blade207.lb.inty.net> <496BAF57.2090801@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <20090113011839.M58683@dwave.net> Congrads Mike on getting a fun jukebox. I am working on starting a folder on my Photobucket account with SMC1 photos which may help you out a bit. My first piece of advice is to get a full set of service manuals. Many questions will be answered with those books. Also when you ask a question you will be able to use the proper terms. If you really want to get some serious info on the computer system, pick up Tony Miller's book "Seeburg's red box and MCU systems". Because I am a nice guy and happen to have the Installation and operation manual for that machine I will look up the bulb number for you ........ Here it is - #94 bulb. What's the use in having the book if I don't use it :) Jeremy Agema On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:00:07 -0600, Carmack wrote > Hi guys, > > I just acquired a Stern/Seeburg SMC2 with the orange columns and > have a few questions on it.... > > How do I set it on free play? I *think* it can be done with > soldering jumpers on the MCU, but surely there's an easier way! > > Both of the spotlight bulbs are missing. What's the proper bulb > type? My sockets are empty. > > On a related note, my disco ball has lost most of its reflective > surface on the top half. Anyone got a good one they'd be willing to > sell? > > The upper speakers are toast -- both have rotten foams, and one has > no upper end. I'd like to replace them, but being 4x10s, I'm > limited in my selection of drivers. Are these 4 ohm automotive-type > speakers out of the factory? Or 8 ohm? I know the earlier SMC2s > and SMC1 had horn drivers. Can anyone tell me about those? Would I > be wise to retrofit horns or is it better to go with regular > speakers. How's the sound of the horns rate? > > I've notice that there's a fairly significant outward-applied anti- > skate force on the tonearm, which occasionally causes "sticky > groove" skips. I realize the tonearm has to have some sort of force > to "reset" it at record reject, but how much is "enough"? Is this > adjustable at all or is it best to leave it alone? > > Thanks for your patience! I appreciate your help! > > Mike Carmack > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 17:46:42 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:47:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] re:cd 100 player In-Reply-To: <448354.9669.qm@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <448354.9669.qm@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have done business with Bruce several times in the past, and can't give high enough recommendations to him. They are great people to do business with- Good luck! Thomas On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, ernie jade wrote: > > > > Nevermind I looked up Bruce on the internet. That is reasonable for the > unit! > > Thank you again for suggesting him. Perfect! > > Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jeremy at dwave.net Mon Jan 12 17:51:47 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:52:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions (Part two) In-Reply-To: <496BAF57.2090801@sparksandarcs.net> References: <20090112094027.538BA2740BD@blade207.lb.inty.net> <496BAF57.2090801@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <20090113014254.M6822@dwave.net> I have posted the photos from my SMC1 clean up on Photobucket http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20SMC1/ Click slide show to view them in order if you wish. Concerning the disco ball - if it were mine I might try to modify a similar size ball from Spencer gifts or something. The few I have seen on Ebay are dull looking. My horn drivers seem to work well enough. I have accessory speakers hooked up (Seeburg USC1) to help with the mid range. They seem easily available from ebay or one of the used jukebox parts places. The tone arm is fully adjustable. With the springs off it should balance perfectly. Several important adjustments are covered in the service manual. Good luck Jeremy Agema On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:00:07 -0600, Carmack wrote > Hi guys, > > I just acquired a Stern/Seeburg SMC2 with the orange columns and > have a few questions on it.... > > How do I set it on free play? I *think* it can be done with > soldering jumpers on the MCU, but surely there's an easier way! > > Both of the spotlight bulbs are missing. What's the proper bulb > type? My sockets are empty. > > On a related note, my disco ball has lost most of its reflective > surface on the top half. Anyone got a good one they'd be willing to > sell? > > The upper speakers are toast -- both have rotten foams, and one has > no upper end. I'd like to replace them, but being 4x10s, I'm > limited in my selection of drivers. Are these 4 ohm automotive-type > speakers out of the factory? Or 8 ohm? I know the earlier SMC2s > and SMC1 had horn drivers. Can anyone tell me about those? Would I > be wise to retrofit horns or is it better to go with regular > speakers. How's the sound of the horns rate? > > I've notice that there's a fairly significant outward-applied anti- > skate force on the tonearm, which occasionally causes "sticky > groove" skips. I realize the tonearm has to have some sort of force > to "reset" it at record reject, but how much is "enough"? Is this > adjustable at all or is it best to leave it alone? > > Thanks for your patience! I appreciate your help! > > Mike Carmack > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Mon Jan 12 17:53:24 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:54:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 one more question In-Reply-To: <496BB2C6.6050808@sparksandarcs.net> References: <20090112094027.538BA2740BD@blade207.lb.inty.net> <496BB2C6.6050808@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <20090113015229.M39194@dwave.net> It certanly could be your amp. Try reversing your left and right wiring at the amp and see of the problem changes. Jeremy Agema On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:14:46 -0600, Carmack wrote > I just thought of another thing -- sorry for not including it in the > first post. > > It seems that the response of the drivers in the lower box of the > cabinet is a bit...um....odd. One sounds like it's a Full Range > driver, and the other sounds like a woofer. I checked the wiring, > and it all seems to be okay, with nothing damaged or crossed. > Should it be like this on the SMC2? I had a Wurlitzer 2610 back in > the day that was done like this intentionally it seems between the > two 12" drivers. Or do I blame it on the un-rebuilt amplifier? > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Mon Jan 12 17:57:04 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:58:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI E 120 restoration photos posted on photo bucket In-Reply-To: <8CB42CBDB8B8EDA-F8-111@WEBMAIL-DG04.sim.aol.com> References: <20090111161520.M99521@dwave.net> <8CB42CBDB8B8EDA-F8-111@WEBMAIL-DG04.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <20090113015347.M31644@dwave.net> Thanks for the complement John I did loosen up my selector assembly so I could work on the top logo - also to work on the front dome. To remove it completely was way to much work for me. There are no connectors and the wires run down to the bottom of the machine. Good job on getting replacements for your buttons. Jeremy Agema On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:53:10 -0500, jhayes2613 wrote > Looks great, Jeremy! > Now... where do I start...? I guess I'd like to address my selection > bank first. Do you recommend taking this out and cleaning it? I? > have at least one button that is completely locked/stuck. I was > missing a couple of the grey buttons but a handful turned up on Ebay > and I won 'em. Thanks for sharing- j > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeremy Agema > To: Jukebox list > Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:37 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI E 120 restoration photos posted on photo > bucket > > Because John sent me photos of his AMI project I thought I would > make my first post on photo bucket. > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/AMI%20120%20E/ > > 26 photos are posted, click slide show to see all the titles and > descriptions. > > Thanks Jackie for posting many photos on photo bucket. I guess you > got me started now! > > More photos of my other jukes to follow. > > Jeremy Agema > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From seeburgt at pacbell.net Mon Jan 12 18:56:38 2009 From: seeburgt at pacbell.net (Tony Miller) Date: Mon Jan 12 18:57:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions In-Reply-To: <496BAF57.2090801@sparksandarcs.net> References: <20090112094027.538BA2740BD@blade207.lb.inty.net> <496BAF57.2090801@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <20090113025739.3FDBCAADAF@lists.netlojix.com> At 01:00 PM 1/12/2009, you wrote: Mike; To put it on free play: 1. Put the service switch in the service position and leave it there. 2. While holding the credit switch in the on position, push '00' on the selector keypad. 3. Release the credit switch, leaving the service switch in the service position. To go back to normal play, place the service switch into the Normal position. The Seeburg version of this machine used horn tweeters. For Sternburg, their new Chief Engineer didn't like horns, so he had them replaced with the speakers you have. I would recommend replacing them with horn tweeters, which show up on ebay fairly often. All 160 Seeburgs of that era used the same horns. You should make sure your PCC has the crossover netork installed, though. Some of them may have been deleted. The schematic for the crossover is in the service manual for the machine. Cheers, Tony Miller >Hi guys, > >I just acquired a Stern/Seeburg SMC2 with the orange columns and >have a few questions on it.... > >How do I set it on free play? I *think* it can be done with >soldering jumpers on the MCU, but surely there's an easier way! > >Both of the spotlight bulbs are missing. What's the proper bulb type? >My sockets are empty. > >On a related note, my disco ball has lost most of its reflective >surface on the top half. Anyone got a good one they'd be willing to sell? > >The upper speakers are toast -- both have rotten foams, and one has >no upper end. I'd like to replace them, but being 4x10s, I'm >limited in my selection of drivers. Are these 4 ohm automotive-type >speakers out of the factory? Or 8 ohm? I know the earlier SMC2s >and SMC1 had horn drivers. Can anyone tell me about those? Would I >be wise to retrofit horns or is it better to go with regular >speakers. How's the sound of the horns rate? > >I've notice that there's a fairly significant outward-applied >anti-skate force on the tonearm, which occasionally causes "sticky >groove" skips. >I realize the tonearm has to have some sort of force to "reset" it >at record reject, but how much is "enough"? Is this adjustable at >all or is it best to leave it alone? > >Thanks for your patience! I appreciate your help! > >Mike Carmack >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Jan 12 18:54:18 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 12 19:01:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI E 120 restoration photos posted on photo bucket In-Reply-To: <20090113015347.M31644@dwave.net> References: <20090111161520.M99521@dwave.net><8CB42CBDB8B8EDA-F8-111@WEBMAIL-DG04.sim.aol.com> <20090113015347.M31644@dwave.net> Message-ID: <8CB43415D0B65EE-14B8-146B@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> Ouch... so what am I looking for when addressing the stuck/jammed selections? Thanks- j -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Agema To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 7:57 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI E 120 restoration photos posted on photo bucket Thanks for the complement John I did loosen up my selector assembly so I could work on the top logo - also to work on the front dome. To remove it completely was way to much work for me. There are no connectors and the wires run down to the bottom of the machine. Good job on getting replacements for your buttons. Jeremy Agema On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:53:10 -0500, jhayes2613 wrote > Looks great, Jeremy! > Now... where do I start...? I guess I'd like to address my selection > bank first. Do you recommend taking this out and cleaning it? I? > have at least one button that is completely locked/stuck. I was > missing a couple of the grey buttons but a handful turned up on Ebay > and I won 'em. Thanks for sharing- j > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeremy Agema > To: Jukebox list > Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:37 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI E 120 restoration photos posted on photo > bucket > > Because John sent me photos of his AMI project I thought I would > make my first post on photo bucket. > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/AMI%20120%20E/ > > 26 photos are posted, click slide show to see all the titles and > descriptions. > > Thanks Jackie for posting many photos on photo bucket. I guess you > got me started now! > > More photos of my other jukes to follow. > > Jeremy Agema > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 19:53:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 12 19:54:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions In-Reply-To: <20090113011839.M58683@dwave.net> Message-ID: <380746.57639.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: From: Jeremy Agema Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions To: jmc@sparksandarcs.net, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 5:30 PM Congrads Mike on getting a fun jukebox. I am working on starting a folder on my Photobucket account with SMC1 photos which may help you out a bit. My first piece of advice is to get a full set of service manuals. Many questions will be answered with those books. Also when you ask a question you will be able to use the proper terms. If you really want to get some serious info on the computer system, pick up Tony Miller's book "Seeburg's red box and MCU systems". Because I am a nice guy and happen to have the Installation and operation manual for that machine I will look up the bulb number for you ........ Here it is - #94 bulb. What's the use in having the book if I don't use it :) Jeremy Agema On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:00:07 -0600, Carmack wrote > Hi guys, > > I just acquired a Stern/Seeburg SMC2 with the orange columns and > have a few questions on it.... > > How do I set it on free play? I *think* it can be done with > soldering jumpers on the MCU, but surely there's an easier way! > > Both of the spotlight bulbs are missing. What's the proper bulb > type? My sockets are empty. > > On a related note, my disco ball has lost most of its reflective > surface on the top half. Anyone got a good one they'd be willing to > sell? > > The upper speakers are toast -- both have rotten foams, and one has > no upper end. I'd like to replace them, but being 4x10s, I'm > limited in my selection of drivers. Are these 4 ohm automotive-type > speakers out of the factory? Or 8 ohm? I know the earlier SMC2s > and SMC1 had horn drivers. Can anyone tell me about those? Would I > be wise to retrofit horns or is it better to go with regular > speakers. How's the sound of the horns rate? > > I've notice that there's a fairly significant outward-applied anti- > skate force on the tonearm, which occasionally causes "sticky > groove" skips. I realize the tonearm has to have some sort of force > to "reset" it at record reject, but how much is "enough"? Is this > adjustable at all or is it best to leave it alone? > > Thanks for your patience! I appreciate your help! > > Mike Carmack > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Mon Jan 12 19:58:46 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Mon Jan 12 19:59:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions In-Reply-To: <20090113011839.M58683@dwave.net> References: <20090112094027.538BA2740BD@blade207.lb.inty.net> <496BAF57.2090801@sparksandarcs.net> <20090113011839.M58683@dwave.net> Message-ID: <496C1176.5030509@sparksandarcs.net> Awesome...thank you. I've only had it all of a week and haven't had a chance to order the manuals yet. I guess I'm a bit "impatient" in this day and age with instant internet knowledge sources haha! Mike Jeremy Agema wrote: > Congrads Mike on getting a fun jukebox. > > I am working on starting a folder on my Photobucket account with SMC1 photos > which may help you out a bit. > > My first piece of advice is to get a full set of service manuals. Many > questions will be answered with those books. Also when you ask a question > you will be able to use the proper terms. > > If you really want to get some serious info on the computer system, pick up > Tony Miller's book "Seeburg's red box and MCU systems". > > Because I am a nice guy and happen to have the Installation and operation > manual for that machine I will look up the bulb number for you ........ > > Here it is - #94 bulb. What's the use in having the book if I don't use it :) > > Jeremy Agema > > > On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:00:07 -0600, Carmack wrote > >> Hi guys, >> >> I just acquired a Stern/Seeburg SMC2 with the orange columns and >> have a few questions on it.... >> >> How do I set it on free play? I *think* it can be done with >> soldering jumpers on the MCU, but surely there's an easier way! >> >> Both of the spotlight bulbs are missing. What's the proper bulb >> type? My sockets are empty. >> >> On a related note, my disco ball has lost most of its reflective >> surface on the top half. Anyone got a good one they'd be willing to >> sell? >> >> The upper speakers are toast -- both have rotten foams, and one has >> no upper end. I'd like to replace them, but being 4x10s, I'm >> limited in my selection of drivers. Are these 4 ohm automotive-type >> speakers out of the factory? Or 8 ohm? I know the earlier SMC2s >> and SMC1 had horn drivers. Can anyone tell me about those? Would I >> be wise to retrofit horns or is it better to go with regular >> speakers. How's the sound of the horns rate? >> >> I've notice that there's a fairly significant outward-applied anti- >> skate force on the tonearm, which occasionally causes "sticky >> groove" skips. I realize the tonearm has to have some sort of force >> to "reset" it at record reject, but how much is "enough"? Is this >> adjustable at all or is it best to leave it alone? >> >> Thanks for your patience! I appreciate your help! >> >> Mike Carmack >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Mon Jan 12 20:03:47 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Mon Jan 12 20:03:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions (Part two) In-Reply-To: <20090113014254.M6822@dwave.net> References: <20090112094027.538BA2740BD@blade207.lb.inty.net> <496BAF57.2090801@sparksandarcs.net> <20090113014254.M6822@dwave.net> Message-ID: <496C12A3.2020403@sparksandarcs.net> Those are great pictures -- They show significant detail that you'd miss with anything other than seeing the jukebox "in person". It's pictures like these that have the potential to spark an interest in someone for a particular model because of some feature or detail that trips their trigger (with me it was that disco ball in the SMC2!) I'd love to see a sort of a "reference" site that we can contribute to as a group someday. Something that covers all models and makes would be ideal. The pictures in the ads and manuals aren't detailed or colorful enough to really tell you much about the jukeboxes. When you're trying to restore or refurbish a jukebox, these kinds of photos are invaluable for figuring out how it "should" or "could" be. Mike Jeremy Agema wrote: > I have posted the photos from my SMC1 clean up on Photobucket > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20SMC1/ > > Click slide show to view them in order if you wish. > > Concerning the disco ball - if it were mine I might try to modify a similar > size ball from Spencer gifts or something. The few I have seen on Ebay are > dull looking. > > My horn drivers seem to work well enough. I have accessory speakers hooked > up (Seeburg USC1) to help with the mid range. They seem easily available > from ebay or one of the used jukebox parts places. > > The tone arm is fully adjustable. With the springs off it should balance > perfectly. Several important adjustments are covered in the service manual. > > Good luck > > Jeremy Agema > > On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:00:07 -0600, Carmack wrote > >> Hi guys, >> >> I just acquired a Stern/Seeburg SMC2 with the orange columns and >> have a few questions on it.... >> >> How do I set it on free play? I *think* it can be done with >> soldering jumpers on the MCU, but surely there's an easier way! >> >> Both of the spotlight bulbs are missing. What's the proper bulb >> type? My sockets are empty. >> >> On a related note, my disco ball has lost most of its reflective >> surface on the top half. Anyone got a good one they'd be willing to >> sell? >> >> The upper speakers are toast -- both have rotten foams, and one has >> no upper end. I'd like to replace them, but being 4x10s, I'm >> limited in my selection of drivers. Are these 4 ohm automotive-type >> speakers out of the factory? Or 8 ohm? I know the earlier SMC2s >> and SMC1 had horn drivers. Can anyone tell me about those? Would I >> be wise to retrofit horns or is it better to go with regular >> speakers. How's the sound of the horns rate? >> >> I've notice that there's a fairly significant outward-applied anti- >> skate force on the tonearm, which occasionally causes "sticky >> groove" skips. I realize the tonearm has to have some sort of force >> to "reset" it at record reject, but how much is "enough"? Is this >> adjustable at all or is it best to leave it alone? >> >> Thanks for your patience! I appreciate your help! >> >> Mike Carmack >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From lavin at cheqnet.net Mon Jan 12 20:05:07 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Mon Jan 12 20:06:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami bass speaker? References: Message-ID: Hi- Graham, I looked in my R81 and R83 manuals they do not list impediance, but in my R87 manual it list's them as 30 ohm's (each) for the 10 inch bass speakers and 8.5 ohm's for each of the mid's and hi freq speakers. I think all the other older 10 inch speakers were the same on the "R" series, but I am not 100% sure.. Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) ----- Original Message ----- From: "graham" To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami bass speaker? > Could anybody tell me the impedance of the 10 inch bass speakers used on > the Rowe Ami R81-R84 jukeboxes thanks > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 20:09:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 12 20:10:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions (Part two) In-Reply-To: <20090113014254.M6822@dwave.net> Message-ID: <97673.57017.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jeremy, It seems from the photo's that you don't have a SMC-1 there--that's a SMC-1..5--It appears to have a SMC-2 mechanism in it !!?? Howdidjadothat ???Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: From: Jeremy Agema Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions (Part two) To: jmc@sparksandarcs.net, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 5:51 PM I have posted the photos from my SMC1 clean up on Photobucket http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20SMC1/ Click slide show to view them in order if you wish. Concerning the disco ball - if it were mine I might try to modify a similar size ball from Spencer gifts or something. The few I have seen on Ebay are dull looking. My horn drivers seem to work well enough. I have accessory speakers hooked up (Seeburg USC1) to help with the mid range. They seem easily available from ebay or one of the used jukebox parts places. The tone arm is fully adjustable. With the springs off it should balance perfectly. Several important adjustments are covered in the service manual. Good luck Jeremy Agema On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:00:07 -0600, Carmack wrote > Hi guys, > > I just acquired a Stern/Seeburg SMC2 with the orange columns and > have a few questions on it.... > > How do I set it on free play? I *think* it can be done with > soldering jumpers on the MCU, but surely there's an easier way! > > Both of the spotlight bulbs are missing. What's the proper bulb > type? My sockets are empty. > > On a related note, my disco ball has lost most of its reflective > surface on the top half. Anyone got a good one they'd be willing to > sell? > > The upper speakers are toast -- both have rotten foams, and one has > no upper end. I'd like to replace them, but being 4x10s, I'm > limited in my selection of drivers. Are these 4 ohm automotive-type > speakers out of the factory? Or 8 ohm? I know the earlier SMC2s > and SMC1 had horn drivers. Can anyone tell me about those? Would I > be wise to retrofit horns or is it better to go with regular > speakers. How's the sound of the horns rate? > > I've notice that there's a fairly significant outward-applied anti- > skate force on the tonearm, which occasionally causes "sticky > groove" skips. I realize the tonearm has to have some sort of force > to "reset" it at record reject, but how much is "enough"? Is this > adjustable at all or is it best to leave it alone? > > Thanks for your patience! I appreciate your help! > > Mike Carmack > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 13 00:30:46 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Tue Jan 13 00:37:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rockola 474 trips breaker In-Reply-To: <20090113010454.M42949@dwave.net> Message-ID: <226534.73063.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I agree with Jeremy. It would be great for the group if folks could add to the post what it was that cured their jukebox problem. That way we can all learn from the experience. For me, this site is all about shared experiences and helping out other jukebox enthusiasts. Gary --- On Tue, 13/1/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > From: Jeremy Agema > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rockola 474 trips breaker > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, 13 January, 2009, 1:07 AM > Jim I am pleased the people on this list were able to help > you out. > > Could you please resend the email with the advice that > helped you out? > > This way next time I work on a 474 or similar Rockola I > might remember what > helped you out. (right now I have no clue what worked for > you). > > Thanks > > Jeremy Agema > > > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:08:03 -0600, jim bobik wrote > > This was perfect for my problem and workedperfect > thank-you > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Jan 13 05:19:24 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Jan 13 05:20:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI E 120 restoration photos posted on photo bucket In-Reply-To: <8CB43415D0B65EE-14B8-146B@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> References: <20090111161520.M99521@dwave.net><8CB42CBDB8B8EDA-F8-111@WEBMAIL-DG04.sim.aol.com> <20090113015347.M31644@dwave.net> <8CB43415D0B65EE-14B8-146B@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <20090113131611.M48615@dwave.net> I was lucky in that my switches worked fine. From what I remember when I looked at the manual - The switches are a pretty simple design. The fiber board on the back side is held on with screws (one board for each bank of switches. Others on this list should have more direct experience with the switches. Jeremy On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:54:18 -0500, jhayes2613 wrote > Ouch... so what am I looking for when addressing the stuck/jammed selections? > Thanks- > j > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeremy Agema > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 7:57 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI E 120 restoration photos posted on > photo bucket > > Thanks for the complement John > > I did loosen up my selector assembly so I could work on the top logo > - also to work on the front dome. To remove it completely was way to > much work for me. There are no connectors and the wires run down to > the bottom of the machine. > > Good job on getting replacements for your buttons. > > Jeremy Agema > > On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:53:10 -0500, jhayes2613 wrote > > Looks great, Jeremy! > > Now... where do I start...? I guess I'd like to address my selection > > bank first. Do you recommend taking this out and cleaning it? I? > > have at least one button that is completely locked/stuck. I was > > missing a couple of the grey buttons but a handful turned up on Ebay > > and I won 'em. Thanks for sharing- j > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeremy Agema > > To: Jukebox list > > Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:37 am > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI E 120 restoration photos posted on photo > > bucket > > > > Because John sent me photos of his AMI project I thought I would > > make my first post on photo bucket. > > > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/AMI%20120%20E/ > > > > 26 photos are posted, click slide show to see all the titles and > > descriptions. > > > > Thanks Jackie for posting many photos on photo bucket. I guess you > > got me started now! > > > > More photos of my other jukes to follow. > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Jan 13 05:25:55 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Jan 13 05:27:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions In-Reply-To: <496C1176.5030509@sparksandarcs.net> References: <20090112094027.538BA2740BD@blade207.lb.inty.net> <496BAF57.2090801@sparksandarcs.net> <20090113011839.M58683@dwave.net> <496C1176.5030509@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <20090113132021.M16887@dwave.net> Your welcome, glad the list can help you out. I understand 100% about the instant knowledge. I love to do research on something I want to purchase or something I just purchased. Jeremy Agema On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:58:46 -0600, Carmack wrote > Awesome...thank you. I've only had it all of a week and haven't had > a chance to order the manuals yet. I guess I'm a bit "impatient" in > this day and age with instant internet knowledge sources haha! > > Mike > > Jeremy Agema wrote: > > Congrads Mike on getting a fun jukebox. > > > > I am working on starting a folder on my Photobucket account with SMC1 photos > > which may help you out a bit. > > > > My first piece of advice is to get a full set of service manuals. Many > > questions will be answered with those books. Also when you ask a question > > you will be able to use the proper terms. > > > > If you really want to get some serious info on the computer system, pick up > > Tony Miller's book "Seeburg's red box and MCU systems". > > > > Because I am a nice guy and happen to have the Installation and operation > > manual for that machine I will look up the bulb number for you ........ > > > > Here it is - #94 bulb. What's the use in having the book if I don't use it :) > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > > > On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:00:07 -0600, Carmack wrote > > > >> Hi guys, > >> > >> I just acquired a Stern/Seeburg SMC2 with the orange columns and > >> have a few questions on it.... > >> > >> How do I set it on free play? I *think* it can be done with > >> soldering jumpers on the MCU, but surely there's an easier way! > >> > >> Both of the spotlight bulbs are missing. What's the proper bulb > >> type? My sockets are empty. > >> > >> On a related note, my disco ball has lost most of its reflective > >> surface on the top half. Anyone got a good one they'd be willing to > >> sell? > >> > >> The upper speakers are toast -- both have rotten foams, and one has > >> no upper end. I'd like to replace them, but being 4x10s, I'm > >> limited in my selection of drivers. Are these 4 ohm automotive-type > >> speakers out of the factory? Or 8 ohm? I know the earlier SMC2s > >> and SMC1 had horn drivers. Can anyone tell me about those? Would I > >> be wise to retrofit horns or is it better to go with regular > >> speakers. How's the sound of the horns rate? > >> > >> I've notice that there's a fairly significant outward-applied anti- > >> skate force on the tonearm, which occasionally causes "sticky > >> groove" skips. I realize the tonearm has to have some sort of force > >> to "reset" it at record reject, but how much is "enough"? Is this > >> adjustable at all or is it best to leave it alone? > >> > >> Thanks for your patience! I appreciate your help! > >> > >> Mike Carmack > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Jan 13 05:28:29 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Jan 13 05:28:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions (Part two) In-Reply-To: <496C12A3.2020403@sparksandarcs.net> References: <20090112094027.538BA2740BD@blade207.lb.inty.net> <496BAF57.2090801@sparksandarcs.net> <20090113014254.M6822@dwave.net> <496C12A3.2020403@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <20090113132610.M51774@dwave.net> I am happy you can use the photos. I must admit I like the disco ball as well. But one SMC machine is enough (for now) - along with all the other jukes that is. Jeremy Agema On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:03:47 -0600, Carmack wrote > Those are great pictures -- They show significant detail that you'd > miss with anything other than seeing the jukebox "in person". It's > pictures like these that have the potential to spark an interest in > someone for a particular model because of some feature or detail > that trips their trigger (with me it was that disco ball in the SMC2!) > > I'd love to see a sort of a "reference" site that we can contribute > to as a group someday. Something that covers all models and makes > would be ideal. The pictures in the ads and manuals aren't detailed > or colorful enough to really tell you much about the jukeboxes. > When you're trying to restore or refurbish a jukebox, these kinds of > photos are invaluable for figuring out how it "should" or "could" be. > > Mike > > Jeremy Agema wrote: > > I have posted the photos from my SMC1 clean up on Photobucket > > > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20SMC1/ > > > > Click slide show to view them in order if you wish. > > > > Concerning the disco ball - if it were mine I might try to modify a similar > > size ball from Spencer gifts or something. The few I have seen on Ebay are > > dull looking. > > > > My horn drivers seem to work well enough. I have accessory speakers hooked > > up (Seeburg USC1) to help with the mid range. They seem easily available > > from ebay or one of the used jukebox parts places. > > > > The tone arm is fully adjustable. With the springs off it should balance > > perfectly. Several important adjustments are covered in the service manual. > > > > Good luck > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:00:07 -0600, Carmack wrote > > > >> Hi guys, > >> > >> I just acquired a Stern/Seeburg SMC2 with the orange columns and > >> have a few questions on it.... > >> > >> How do I set it on free play? I *think* it can be done with > >> soldering jumpers on the MCU, but surely there's an easier way! > >> > >> Both of the spotlight bulbs are missing. What's the proper bulb > >> type? My sockets are empty. > >> > >> On a related note, my disco ball has lost most of its reflective > >> surface on the top half. Anyone got a good one they'd be willing to > >> sell? > >> > >> The upper speakers are toast -- both have rotten foams, and one has > >> no upper end. I'd like to replace them, but being 4x10s, I'm > >> limited in my selection of drivers. Are these 4 ohm automotive-type > >> speakers out of the factory? Or 8 ohm? I know the earlier SMC2s > >> and SMC1 had horn drivers. Can anyone tell me about those? Would I > >> be wise to retrofit horns or is it better to go with regular > >> speakers. How's the sound of the horns rate? > >> > >> I've notice that there's a fairly significant outward-applied anti- > >> skate force on the tonearm, which occasionally causes "sticky > >> groove" skips. I realize the tonearm has to have some sort of force > >> to "reset" it at record reject, but how much is "enough"? Is this > >> adjustable at all or is it best to leave it alone? > >> > >> Thanks for your patience! I appreciate your help! > >> > >> Mike Carmack > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Jan 13 05:34:54 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Jan 13 05:36:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC 1 vs SMC 2 mech Message-ID: <20090113132945.M18262@dwave.net> Ok Ron, I will bite on this one... I love to learn new things. Please tell me what you spoted that tags the mech as a SMC-2 (for those who want to look - the link is at the bottom of this message) Thanks Jeremy Agema >Jeremy, >It seems from the photo's that you don't have a SMC-1 there--that's a SMC- >1..5--It appears to have a SMC-2 mechanism in it !! Howdidjadothat ?? Ron >Rich >--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: >From: Jeremy Agema >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions (Part two) >To: jmc@sparksandarcs.net, "Jukebox mailing list" list@lists.netlojix.com> >Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 5:51 PM >I have posted the photos from my SMC1 clean up on Photobucket http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20SMC1/ >Click slide show to view them in order if you wish. From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Jan 13 06:19:20 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Jan 13 06:15:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f 120 record ejector popping fuses Message-ID: <200901130919917.SM05064@[192.168.1.206]> I accidentally deleted the initial thread for this topic. Was someone having an issue with an AMI E or F with the carriage getting stuck against one of the finger banks? Or the mech getting stuck playing the same record over and over? If not, I apologize for the following post. :) If yes...then here's my two pesos: The carriage getting jammed is a pretty common thing with the Model 700 or 800 AMI mechanism if you don't thoroughly clean it before you use it. While the E, F, and G series AMIs are really simple to work on and maintain, the very nature of the mech in a smoky barroom environment was it's own problem. You've got three horizontally mounted banks of metal "fingers" that are attached to a framework - surrounded by metal - with barely enough space for the fingers to move up and down. Now add this mechanical box sliding back and forth across these three banks of fingers...throw in some heat... throw in a little grease and oil from an over-enthusiastic vendor repair guy...toss in years of dust, and gallons upon gallons of tar and nicotine.... and you see why these finger banks were major collectors of filth and potential failure. Didn't happen often, but let one of these baby's sit around neglected for a few years and you've got issues. Jeremy is right on when he says that these finger banks have to be removed from the mech and thoroughly cleaned. They should be able to move up and down within the framework with little or no resistance whatsoever. The reason for this is that on the side of the mech's carriage (in the carriage junction box), there are two solenoids that cancel - or return each finger back to its down position once a record has hit the turntable - one for the odd selections, the other for the even. If the solenoids are weak with age, it won't have enough punch to hit a dirty finger with enough force to return it back to it's down position and the mech with always play that same selection over and over again. But the biggest reason why the carriage jams is because the odd and even trip switches - also mounted in the carriage junction box - are dirty or simply out of adjustment. These switches have the little lever that extends down from the carriage and comes into contact with a raised finger. Once it finds one raised, in a split second's time, it trips the mech and begins the record loading process. If either of those switches are dirty, the mech has to close the switch more than it should to activate the switch. This results is about 6 tons of pressure being put on the trip switch lever and the raised finger. No amount of pressure from the cancel solenoid is going to force that finger down, so the mech goes into a jammed/over-load stage. You'll need to get a screwdriver or a piece of flat wood to force the finger back into a down position. Once you do that, the mech will jump once it's freed up so be ready for that. So bottom line, clean the living heck out of all the switches and relay contacts on the carriage junction box. Use the good quality contact cleaner - such as DeOxit - and a burnishing tool to polish the contacts to a high shine if at all possible. Between cleaning the switches and the trip fingers, the mech will never jam again. Aaron From wbabbott at verizon.net Tue Jan 13 07:35:42 2009 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Tue Jan 13 07:38:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Amp Swap ? Message-ID: <1507261423.48133511231860942695.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Quick question for the Juke Techs... can I use a Rockola 1448 HiFi Amp in a 1446 HiFi juke? It think they're basically the same. Also, can I use a 1448 or 1446 HiFi Amp in a 1438 Mono juke. I understand that I wouldn't get the HiFi tweeter sound, but would I still get good mono sound? Part of the reason I'd like to know if you can swap amps is to be able test Rockola amps after rebuilding them in my Rockola 1438. Britt From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 08:16:15 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 13 08:17:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC 1 vs SMC 2 mech In-Reply-To: <20090113132945.M18262@dwave.net> Message-ID: <726274.60502.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jeremy, Thought you'd "bite"-- Look at the Turntable--if it was a -1, it would have the "Peek a boo" dots on it ( see the flyer ), rather then what appears in your photo's to be the "gray" paint.? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: From: Jeremy Agema Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC 1 vs SMC 2 mech To: "Jukebox list" Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:34 AM Ok Ron, I will bite on this one... I love to learn new things. Please tell me what you spoted that tags the mech as a SMC-2 (for those who want to look - the link is at the bottom of this message) Thanks Jeremy Agema >Jeremy, >It seems from the photo's that you don't have a SMC-1 there--that's a SMC- >1..5--It appears to have a SMC-2 mechanism in it !! Howdidjadothat ?? Ron >Rich >--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: >From: Jeremy Agema >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions (Part two) >To: jmc@sparksandarcs.net, "Jukebox mailing list" list@lists.netlojix.com> >Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 5:51 PM >I have posted the photos from my SMC1 clean up on Photobucket http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20SMC1/ >Click slide show to view them in order if you wish. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johntrav at suddenlink.net Tue Jan 13 08:34:18 2009 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Tue Jan 13 08:35:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami bass speaker? References: Message-ID: <601B9C0FC310456A81C5A5D1B642C8DE@JOHNTRAV> I went up to my shop and measured two R82 bass speakers I have on the shelf. They showed 29-30 ohms, but my cheap digital VOM dances around quite a bit. John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue and Dennis Lavin" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami bass speaker? > Hi- Graham, I looked in my R81 and R83 manuals they do not list > impediance, but in my R87 manual it list's them as 30 ohm's (each) for the > 10 inch bass speakers and 8.5 ohm's for each of the mid's and hi freq > speakers. > > I think all the other older 10 inch speakers were the same on the "R" > series, but I am not 100% sure.. > > Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "graham" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:44 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami bass speaker? > > >> Could anybody tell me the impedance of the 10 inch bass speakers used on >> the Rowe Ami R81-R84 jukeboxes thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Jan 13 10:05:43 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Jan 13 10:06:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC 1 vs SMC 2 mech In-Reply-To: <726274.60502.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20090113132945.M18262@dwave.net> <726274.60502.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090113180222.M25768@dwave.net> Ahhhh. Good to know. I wasn't able to capture the full effect in my posted photos. This one comes close though - http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20SMC1/? action=view¤t=P9140041.jpg Upon close inspection my TT has chrome discs (or polished metal) on it. Good discussion :) Jeremy Agema On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:16:15 -0800 (PST), Ron Rich wrote > Jeremy, > Thought you'd "bite"-- > Look at the Turntable--if it was a -1, it would have the "Peek a > boo" dots on it ( see the flyer ), rather then what appears in your > photo's to be the "gray" paint.? Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > From: Jeremy Agema > Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC 1 vs SMC 2 mech > To: "Jukebox list" > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:34 AM > > Ok Ron, I will bite on this one... > > I love to learn new things. Please tell me what you spoted that tags > the mech as a SMC-2 > > (for those who want to look - the link is at the bottom of this > message) > > Thanks > Jeremy Agema > > >Jeremy, > >It seems from the photo's that you don't have a SMC-1 > there--that's a SMC- > >1..5--It appears to have a SMC-2 mechanism in it !! Howdidjadothat ?? Ron > > >Rich > > >--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > >From: Jeremy Agema > >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions (Part two) > >To: jmc@sparksandarcs.net, "Jukebox mailing list" >list@lists.netlojix.com> > >Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 5:51 PM > > >I have posted the photos from my SMC1 clean up on Photobucket > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20SMC1/ > > >Click slide show to view them in order if you wish. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 12:01:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 13 12:02:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC 1 vs SMC 2 mech In-Reply-To: <20090113180222.M25768@dwave.net> Message-ID: <397669.19300.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ? Jeremy, Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, ha --I see them now--they are supposed to "flicker thru" the two way glass, and attract attention from seated persons--Looks like you have painted the metal "flange" that fits behind the mech with black gloss paint--the white portion was gloss, but the black should be flat, to heighten the?above effect-- (won't work if the glass is installed "backwards") Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: From: Jeremy Agema Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC 1 vs SMC 2 mech To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 10:05 AM Ahhhh. Good to know. I wasn't able to capture the full effect in my posted photos. This one comes close though - http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20SMC1/? action=view¤t=P9140041.jpg Upon close inspection my TT has chrome discs (or polished metal) on it. Good discussion :) Jeremy Agema On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:16:15 -0800 (PST), Ron Rich wrote > Jeremy, > Thought you'd "bite"-- > Look at the Turntable--if it was a -1, it would have the "Peek a > boo" dots on it ( see the flyer ), rather then what appears in your > photo's to be the "gray" paint.? Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > From: Jeremy Agema > Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC 1 vs SMC 2 mech > To: "Jukebox list" > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:34 AM > > Ok Ron, I will bite on this one... > > I love to learn new things. Please tell me what you spoted that tags > the mech as a SMC-2 > > (for those who want to look - the link is at the bottom of this > message) > > Thanks > Jeremy Agema > > >Jeremy, > >It seems from the photo's that you don't have a SMC-1 > there--that's a SMC- > >1..5--It appears to have a SMC-2 mechanism in it !! Howdidjadothat ?? Ron > > >Rich > > >--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > >From: Jeremy Agema > >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions (Part two) > >To: jmc@sparksandarcs.net, "Jukebox mailing list" >list@lists.netlojix.com> > >Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 5:51 PM > > >I have posted the photos from my SMC1 clean up on Photobucket > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20SMC1/ > > >Click slide show to view them in order if you wish. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From radiocontrolhead at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 13 13:15:11 2009 From: radiocontrolhead at sbcglobal.net (Danny Mourad) Date: Tue Jan 13 13:16:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trying to find someone to apply Di-noc. Message-ID: <707729.65084.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So i'm looking for someone to apply Di-noc to my Seeburg 146 but don't know which finish to use. What was the original finish code number or name for the trashcan? anyone know?? I'm currently working on the base of the cabinet (dissasembled and ready for bondo) and wanted to know who is the best kind of person to apply these di-noc finishes?? A wood cabinet man?? I understand that this won't be a PERFECT restoration, but for many no one will know that the application process was different. (thats too overboard for me!) Thanks! ? Here are a list of finishes that 3M offers and think the original finish look very close to WG881.? WG 364?looks like a possible candidate. ?Here's the link. ? http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Graphics/Scotchprint/Solutions/Applications/On-Premise-Graphics/Di-Noc-Film/ProductGallery/WoodGrain/ ? Thoughts, oppinions, comments, critcs welcome! ? ? From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Jan 13 14:30:19 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Jan 13 14:31:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC 1 vs SMC 2 mech In-Reply-To: <397669.19300.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20090113180222.M25768@dwave.net> <397669.19300.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090113221928.M52434@dwave.net> My turn ... Ahhhhh I understood about the glass. I think mine was installed incorrectly when I got it. The most reflective part should face away from the juke to maximize the artwork on the lower illuminated panel? (that's what I guessed from the manual). Great info on the metal flange (cable cover). I probably waxed it when I got it (missing when I got the juke). I will spray it flat and see how it performs. I think another issue is the reflecting light source is from the lower title strip holder (slot in the bottom of the housing above the mech). My plastic has turned blue (perhaps it was this way when new?) What are your thoughts on painting the mech base flat black? Would it help the overall looks? Thanks Jeremy Agema On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:01:08 -0800 (PST), Ron Rich wrote > ? > Jeremy, > Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, ha --I see them now--they are supposed to > "flicker thru" the two way glass, and attract attention from seated > persons--Looks like you have painted the metal "flange" that fits > behind the mech with black gloss paint--the white portion was gloss, > but the black should be flat, to heighten the?above effect-- (won't > work if the glass is installed "backwards") Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > From: Jeremy Agema > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC 1 vs SMC 2 mech > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 10:05 AM > > Ahhhh. Good to know. I wasn't able to capture the full effect in my > posted photos. This one comes close though - > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20SMC1/? > action=view¤t=P9140041.jpg > > Upon close inspection my TT has chrome discs (or polished metal) on it. > > Good discussion :) > > Jeremy Agema > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:16:15 -0800 (PST), Ron Rich wrote > > Jeremy, > > Thought you'd "bite"-- > > Look at the Turntable--if it was a -1, it would have the "Peek a > > boo" dots on it ( see the flyer ), rather then what appears in your > > photo's to be the "gray" paint.? Ron Rich > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > > > From: Jeremy Agema > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC 1 vs SMC 2 mech > > To: "Jukebox list" > > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:34 AM > > > > Ok Ron, I will bite on this one... > > > > I love to learn new things. Please tell me what you spoted that tags > > the mech as a SMC-2 > > > > (for those who want to look - the link is at the bottom of this > > message) > > > > Thanks > > Jeremy Agema > > > > >Jeremy, > > >It seems from the photo's that you don't have a SMC-1 > > there--that's a SMC- > > >1..5--It appears to have a SMC-2 mechanism in it !! Howdidjadothat > ?? > Ron > > > > >Rich > > > > >--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > > > >From: Jeremy Agema > > >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2.5 (SternBurg) questions (Part two) > > >To: jmc@sparksandarcs.net, "Jukebox mailing list" > > >list@lists.netlojix.com> > > >Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 5:51 PM > > > > >I have posted the photos from my SMC1 clean up on Photobucket > > > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20SMC1/ > > > > >Click slide show to view them in order if you wish. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 15:31:30 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Jan 13 15:32:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f 120 record ejector popping fuses In-Reply-To: <200901130919917.SM05064@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <946334.97331.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Jeremy is right on when he says that these finger banks > have to be removed from the mech and thoroughly cleaned. On a G-120 I recently restored, I removed the selection lever assemblies from their coil assemblies and soaked them (the levers, not the coils) in kerosene for several days, agitating them vigorously several times a day as they soaked. Worked like a charm. When I first checked out the machine, less than 2/3 of the levers moved when selected. Afterwords, I only had to adjust the spring pressure on 3 or 4 of them and they all worked with no further problems. And I know it's been said here multiple times but it bears repeating on all caps: DON'T LUBRICATE THESE LEVERS WITH ANYTHING!!! OK, done shouting. From lavin at cheqnet.net Tue Jan 13 15:31:41 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Tue Jan 13 15:32:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance Message-ID: <5547CD5217194562BC268688966B80CB@dennis38rxl3bv> I posted this yesterday but it didnt come thrugh the list, I will try it again: Hi- Graham, I looked in my R81 and R83 manuals they do not list impediance, but in my R87 manual it list's them as 30 ohm's (each) for the 10 inch bass speakers and 8.5 ohm's for each of the mid's and hi freq speakers. I think all the other older 10 inch speakers were the same on the "R" series, but I am not 100% sure.. Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 16:11:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 13 16:12:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance In-Reply-To: <5547CD5217194562BC268688966B80CB@dennis38rxl3bv> Message-ID: <105007.40845.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Denny, It did post earlier today--Is anyone else getting multiple posting from the list--sometimes I get two or three of the exact same one ?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: From: Sue and Dennis Lavin Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:31 PM I posted this yesterday but it didnt come thrugh the list, I will try it again: Hi- Graham, I looked in my R81 and R83 manuals they do not list impediance, but in my R87 manual it list's them as 30 ohm's (each) for the 10 inch bass speakers and 8.5 ohm's for each of the mid's and hi freq speakers. I think all the other older 10 inch speakers were the same on the "R" series, but I am not 100% sure.. Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lavin at cheqnet.net Tue Jan 13 17:02:24 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Tue Jan 13 17:03:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance References: <105007.40845.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A231BA6F18645E7B560E3B8204F9D65@dennis38rxl3bv> Hmmm, I dont see it in my list, it must be the computer gremlins at it again !! :-) Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance > Denny, > It did post earlier today--Is anyone else getting multiple posting from > the list--sometimes I get two or three of the exact same one ?? Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: > > From: Sue and Dennis Lavin > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:31 PM > > I posted this yesterday but it didnt come thrugh the list, I will try it > again: > > > Hi- Graham, I looked in my R81 and R83 manuals they do not list > impediance, > but in my R87 manual it list's them as 30 ohm's (each) for the 10 inch > bass > speakers and 8.5 ohm's for each of the mid's and hi freq speakers. > > I think all the other older 10 inch speakers were the same on the "R" > > series, but I am not 100% sure.. > > Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lavin at cheqnet.net Tue Jan 13 17:04:42 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Tue Jan 13 17:05:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance References: <105007.40845.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2AE7A8EE688F4901ABB744933AE53244@dennis38rxl3bv> funy, I dont see tonight's posting either ?? How did you see it Ron , On the list or did it come to your personal email ? I might have problems on this end. I sometimes recieve multiples, not often but once in a while. Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance > Denny, > It did post earlier today--Is anyone else getting multiple posting from > the list--sometimes I get two or three of the exact same one ?? Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: > > From: Sue and Dennis Lavin > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:31 PM > > I posted this yesterday but it didnt come thrugh the list, I will try it > again: > > > Hi- Graham, I looked in my R81 and R83 manuals they do not list > impediance, > but in my R87 manual it list's them as 30 ohm's (each) for the 10 inch > bass > speakers and 8.5 ohm's for each of the mid's and hi freq speakers. > > I think all the other older 10 inch speakers were the same on the "R" > > series, but I am not 100% sure.. > > Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Jan 13 17:07:11 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Jan 13 17:08:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance In-Reply-To: <105007.40845.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5547CD5217194562BC268688966B80CB@dennis38rxl3bv> <105007.40845.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c975e4$6ea63770$4bf2a650$@net> Yeah Ron. I see dupes every now and then too. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:12 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance Denny, It did post earlier today--Is anyone else getting multiple posting from the list--sometimes I get two or three of the exact same one ?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: From: Sue and Dennis Lavin Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:31 PM I posted this yesterday but it didnt come thrugh the list, I will try it again: Hi- Graham, I looked in my R81 and R83 manuals they do not list impediance, but in my R87 manual it list's them as 30 ohm's (each) for the 10 inch bass speakers and 8.5 ohm's for each of the mid's and hi freq speakers. I think all the other older 10 inch speakers were the same on the "R" series, but I am not 100% sure.. Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:17 AM From jhayes2613 at aol.com Tue Jan 13 18:46:23 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 13 18:52:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? Message-ID: <8CB44096C334D16-125C-C31@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> Hey, everyone- Okay, replacing the grommets underneath the turntable was the solution to my wow issue. The tone arm isn't wobbling all over the place now and the motor sits where it should be nice and tight. Should've known this all along. Prior to replacing the grommets, however, thinking that this was a motor lubrication problem, I suspect that I? had way oversaturated the motor and after replacing it into its frame, it is draggy, draggy, draggy. I want to say that when it was hanging sideways while I was replacing the grommets, oil more than likely slopped over where it shouldn't've. I take it this will mean having to remove the motor and open it up for a cleaning... so I? have several questions. The motor seems to connect in the back somewhere, by the craousel maybe...? Do I need to slide the entire mech out to disconnect the motor? Does the mech pull out from the front or back of the cabinet? What should I use to clean the inside of the motor? Could I attempt does of denatured alcohol to dry up the oil? Wotta mes, huh? TIA- j From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 19:40:14 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 13 19:41:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance In-Reply-To: <2AE7A8EE688F4901ABB744933AE53244@dennis38rxl3bv> Message-ID: <257271.49507.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Don't know--got this twice--so far--once to me and once to the list--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: From: Sue and Dennis Lavin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:04 PM funy, I dont see tonight's posting either ?? How did you see it Ron , On the list or did it come to your personal email ? I might have problems on this end. I sometimes recieve multiples, not often but once in a while. Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance > Denny, > It did post earlier today--Is anyone else getting multiple posting from > the list--sometimes I get two or three of the exact same one ?? Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: > > From: Sue and Dennis Lavin > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:31 PM > > I posted this yesterday but it didnt come thrugh the list, I will try it > again: > > > Hi- Graham, I looked in my R81 and R83 manuals they do not list > impediance, > but in my R87 manual it list's them as 30 ohm's (each) for the 10 inch > bass > speakers and 8.5 ohm's for each of the mid's and hi freq speakers. > > I think all the other older 10 inch speakers were the same on the "R" > > series, but I am not 100% sure.. > > Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 19:40:55 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 13 19:41:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance In-Reply-To: <001101c975e4$6ea63770$4bf2a650$@net> Message-ID: <685700.1157.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Got this twice also-- --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:07 PM Yeah Ron. I see dupes every now and then too. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:12 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance Denny, It did post earlier today--Is anyone else getting multiple posting from the list--sometimes I get two or three of the exact same one ?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: From: Sue and Dennis Lavin Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:31 PM I posted this yesterday but it didnt come thrugh the list, I will try it again: Hi- Graham, I looked in my R81 and R83 manuals they do not list impediance, but in my R87 manual it list's them as 30 ohm's (each) for the 10 inch bass speakers and 8.5 ohm's for each of the mid's and hi freq speakers. I think all the other older 10 inch speakers were the same on the "R" series, but I am not 100% sure.. Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:17 AM _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jan 13 20:40:47 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jan 13 20:42:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Amp Swap ? Message-ID: <20090113.234047.7689.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello Britt: There should not be any problems interchanging RockOla 1438, 1446, 1448 etc amplifiers with one another. You'll notice that these amps have a 4 conductor power cord that plugs into the RO junction box/power supply. A winding in the junction box's power transformer supplies the 6.3 (or 12)volt AC power to light the tube filaments. The tube filaments stay lit whenever the machine power is turned on so that the tubes can be warmed up quickly if a selection gets made. The other two pins carry 110V high voltage to the amplifiers' power transformer. This circuit is switched on whenever the machine is in play mode, which activates the 5 volt filament and high voltage (B+) circuits in the amplifier for operation. The output speaker connections (connecting the cabinet and external spkrs) vary slightly from amp model to model. The audio circuits in most of these amp models are quite similar, except for tone controls and hi-filter circuits. These amps all have input circuits to accomodate a ceramic/crystal phono cartridge and are about 25watts output. Later 50's amps have on board circuits for auto volume control. Hope this answers your question Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to find information on international programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryA5O4bDBSAoUh6dVTC4ov3T5e4pb8QvGWN3pI4IGq9elGlWG/ From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 14 01:06:42 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Wed Jan 14 01:07:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f 120 record ejector popping fuses In-Reply-To: <200901130919917.SM05064@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <523969.79924.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Aaron wrote > But the biggest reason why the carriage jams is because the > odd and even trip switches - also mounted in the carriage > junction box - are dirty or simply out of adjustment. These > switches have the little lever that extends down from the > carriage and comes into contact with a raised finger. Once > it finds one raised, in a split second's time, it trips > the mech and begins the record loading process. If either of > those switches are dirty, the mech has to close the switch > more than it should to activate the switch. This results is > about 6 tons of pressure being put on the trip switch lever > and the raised finger. No amount of pressure from the cancel > solenoid is going to force that finger down, so the mech > goes into a jammed/over-load stage. You'll need to get a > screwdriver or a piece of flat wood to force the finger back > into a down position. Once you do that, the mech will jump > once it's freed up so be ready for that. The good thing about these switches (if they are the same or similar to an AMI B) is that they can be taken apart and the internal contacts cleaned. A word of caution though... There is a tiny spring inside these switches which has the annoying habit if firing out if you don?t keep a hold of it when reassembling. I too have had the carriage assembly jam up on my AMI model B, but the problem was not the switch itself, but the lever attached to the switch. It just needed a tiny drop of oil where it pivots on the lever. Never missed a beat since. Gary From jhayes2613 at aol.com Wed Jan 14 04:22:57 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 14 04:29:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? In-Reply-To: <8CB44096C334D16-125C-C31@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> References: <8CB44096C334D16-125C-C31@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB4459F77146D6-C70-254D@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com> I left the turntable motor?propped up sideways overnight. This morning I checked it and the cardboard I had it resting on had a huge oil stain underneath the motor. Talk about overdoing it... There is SOME good news... it's a fairly pure stain, no black or gunk or anything. I hope this continues to drain off and hence solve my problem. -----Original Message----- From: jhayes2613@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 8:46 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? Hey, everyone- Okay, replacing the grommets underneath the turntable was the solution to my wow issue. The tone arm isn't wobbling all over the place now and the motor sits where it should be nice and tight. Should've known this all along. Prior to replacing the grommets, however, thinking that this was a motor lubrication problem, I suspect that I? had way oversaturated the motor and after replacing it into its frame, it is draggy, draggy, draggy. I want to say that when it was hanging sideways while I was replacing the grommets, oil more than likely slopped over where it shouldn't've. I take it this will mean having to remove the motor and open it up for a cleaning... so I? have several questions. The motor seems to connect in the back somewhere, by the craousel maybe...? Do I need to slide the entire mech out to disconnect the motor? Does the mech pull out from the front or back of the cabinet? What should I use to clean the inside of the motor? Could I attempt does of denatured alcohol to dry up the oil? Wotta mes, huh? TIA- j _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 09:36:40 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Wed Jan 14 09:37:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance In-Reply-To: <257271.49507.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <2AE7A8EE688F4901ABB744933AE53244@dennis38rxl3bv> <257271.49507.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c9766e$a987a8d0$fc96fa70$@net> Lucky You. I noticed when I hit reply to this email, your yahoo.com account was listed in the To: address field. I removed it so as not to copy you twice.....again! I think some it has to do with the way we Reply or Reply To All in our responses. Even moreso when replying to a thread that is a couple of responses long. What can we do? Delete any individual email address in the To: field, unless it is a personal communication, then delete the mailing list. Anyone have any other ideas? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:40 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance Don't know--got this twice--so far--once to me and once to the list--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: From: Sue and Dennis Lavin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:04 PM funy, I dont see tonight's posting either ?? How did you see it Ron , On the list or did it come to your personal email ? I might have problems on this end. I sometimes recieve multiples, not often but once in a while. Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance > Denny, > It did post earlier today--Is anyone else getting multiple posting from > the list--sometimes I get two or three of the exact same one ?? Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: > > From: Sue and Dennis Lavin > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:31 PM > > I posted this yesterday but it didnt come thrugh the list, I will try it > again: > > > Hi- Graham, I looked in my R81 and R83 manuals they do not list > impediance, > but in my R87 manual it list's them as 30 ohm's (each) for the 10 inch > bass > speakers and 8.5 ohm's for each of the mid's and hi freq speakers. > > I think all the other older 10 inch speakers were the same on the "R" > > series, but I am not 100% sure.. > > Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:17 AM From Mark.Vittorio at milwaukeewiti.com Mon Jan 12 16:41:07 2009 From: Mark.Vittorio at milwaukeewiti.com (Vittorio, Mark) Date: Wed Jan 14 10:08:52 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Manual Message-ID: <06C33E7638090C408551EFB787D2380122B12BCEE5@medex4.media.usa.localtvllc.com> Sorry, I hit send accidentally without sending a message! I'm looking for the schematics for the control credit unit for an nsm prestige es-160. Do you have this and if so how much are you asking? Thanks, Mark Vittorio From mitchnyc at aol.com Wed Jan 14 11:07:11 2009 From: mitchnyc at aol.com (mitchnyc@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:14:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What is it about the sound of an old jukebox? In-Reply-To: <496BB1FF.2070507@sparksandarcs.net> References: <301628815.40927191231702781035.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> <496BB1FF.2070507@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <8CB44926E986F93-728-33E@Webmail-mg01.sim.aol.com> Mike, I completely agree with you re: the "tactile" experience of vinyl records. [In fact I brought it up on a discussion last year on the subject. Great minds think alike :?)]. At the risk of putting too fine a point on it... Compared to listening to music in a digital format, listening to records on an old juke is "organic." It's warm. [A slight hum heard (or not so slight as the case may be); those scratches and other imperfections]. It's real. [The rattle as the mech scans and pulls the records]. It's even interactive. [Punching in each song; hitting unlock when the buttons stick]. It's beats the heck outta iTunes on party shuffle. And the "playlist" is different every time. There's a major emotional component too. If you are like me, listening to your jukebox is one of those "in the moment" experiences. Whether you turn on the 'box, pop in a few tracks sit back and listen or putter around your house or have it provide background music while you hang with friends and family, on some level you are engaged. That's because you load your juke by hand with some of your very favorite songs. Songs that have both musical history and "Oh yeah, I remember hearing that song when..." history. Listening to them is an intimate and personal act. Sharing it with others is a sort of communion with a small "c." Or maybe I'm just full of it. I'll go back to lurking now. Ha! Cheers, Bruce McDonald -----Original Message----- From: Carmack To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] What is it about the sound of an old jukebox? It's a very "tactile" experience -- the same thing that draws me into vinyl records alone. Although it may not be perfect sound, or even the most distortion free, depending on the model of the jukebox, that whole "spinning gears" and mechanical "eye candy" sucks me in every time!? ? Digital sound may be close to perfect (insert large grain of salt here), but it's too "sterile" for me. I like my music to have personality, something that digital successfully suppresses. It's like the difference between driving a Toyota/Lexus and a BMW 3-series or an older Mercedes. The latter have their own personality in their handling, engine, and the way they interpret the braille of the road. The Toyota/Lexus also does the job well, but *too* well. ? Japanese cars to me don't have any personality. Don't get me wrong, I have a Toyota as a daily driver. But I also have a well-maintained Volvo 740 turbo that I enjoy driving much more despite having 20 years and 200k miles more than the Toyota. You FEEL that car in every movement. It has quirks that create a personality, making you really interact and think about the driving experience (Farfhegnugen anyone?). Japanese cars consistently have the ability to do the job without any color, bias, or feedback, no matter the make. They are excellent and unrivaled in what they are, but that attachment is harder to create just as it is with the iPod or even CDs vs. vinyl.? ? Mike Carmack From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 11:42:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:43:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance In-Reply-To: <001801c9766e$a987a8d0$fc96fa70$@net> Message-ID: <291229.46062.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, Thanks--I just hit "reply"--never "reply to all"--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 9:36 AM Lucky You. I noticed when I hit reply to this email, your yahoo.com account was listed in the To: address field. I removed it so as not to copy you twice.....again! I think some it has to do with the way we Reply or Reply To All in our responses. Even moreso when replying to a thread that is a couple of responses long. What can we do? Delete any individual email address in the To: field, unless it is a personal communication, then delete the mailing list. Anyone have any other ideas? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:40 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance Don't know--got this twice--so far--once to me and once to the list--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: From: Sue and Dennis Lavin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:04 PM funy, I dont see tonight's posting either ?? How did you see it Ron , On the list or did it come to your personal email ? I might have problems on this end. I sometimes recieve multiples, not often but once in a while. Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance > Denny, > It did post earlier today--Is anyone else getting multiple posting from > the list--sometimes I get two or three of the exact same one ?? Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: > > From: Sue and Dennis Lavin > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI ROWE Bass speakers impediance > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:31 PM > > I posted this yesterday but it didnt come thrugh the list, I will try it > again: > > > Hi- Graham, I looked in my R81 and R83 manuals they do not list > impediance, > but in my R87 manual it list's them as 30 ohm's (each) for the 10 inch > bass > speakers and 8.5 ohm's for each of the mid's and hi freq speakers. > > I think all the other older 10 inch speakers were the same on the "R" > > series, but I am not 100% sure.. > > Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:17 AM _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 11:50:54 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:52:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What is it about the sound of an old jukebox? In-Reply-To: <8CB44926E986F93-728-33E@Webmail-mg01.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <162875.71160.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bruce, I agree almost totally with you, but, I do take exception to the words "---pop in a few TRACKS--"??? Never happen !!!! Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/14/09, mitchnyc@aol.com wrote: From: mitchnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] What is it about the sound of an old jukebox? To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 11:07 AM Mike, I completely agree with you re: the "tactile" experience of vinyl records. [In fact I brought it up on a discussion last year on the subject. Great minds think alike :?)]. At the risk of putting too fine a point on it... Compared to listening to music in a digital format, listening to records on an old juke is "organic." It's warm. [A slight hum heard (or not so slight as the case may be); those scratches and other imperfections]. It's real. [The rattle as the mech scans and pulls the records]. It's even interactive. [Punching in each song; hitting unlock when the buttons stick].. It's beats the heck outta iTunes on party shuffle. And the "playlist" is different every time. There's a major emotional component too. If you are like me, listening to your jukebox is one of those "in the moment" experiences. Whether you turn on the 'box, pop in a few tracks sit back and listen or putter around your house or have it provide background music while you hang with friends and family, on some level you are engaged. That's because you load your juke by hand with some of your very favorite songs. Songs that have both musical history and "Oh yeah, I remember hearing that song when..." history. Listening to them is an intimate and personal act. Sharing it with others is a sort of communion with a small "c." Or maybe I'm just full of it. I'll go back to lurking now. Ha! Cheers, Bruce McDonald -----Original Message----- From: Carmack To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] What is it about the sound of an old jukebox? It's a very "tactile" experience -- the same thing that draws me into vinyl records alone. Although it may not be perfect sound, or even the most distortion free, depending on the model of the jukebox, that whole "spinning gears" and mechanical "eye candy" sucks me in every time!? ? Digital sound may be close to perfect (insert large grain of salt here), but it's too "sterile" for me. I like my music to have personality, something that digital successfully suppresses. It's like the difference between driving a Toyota/Lexus and a BMW 3-series or an older Mercedes. The latter have their own personality in their handling, engine, and the way they interpret the braille of the road. The Toyota/Lexus also does the job well, but *too* well. ? Japanese cars to me don't have any personality. Don't get me wrong, I have a Toyota as a daily driver. But I also have a well-maintained Volvo 740 turbo that I enjoy driving much more despite having 20 years and 200k miles more than the Toyota. You FEEL that car in every movement. It has quirks that create a personality, making you really interact and think about the driving experience (Farfhegnugen anyone?). Japanese cars consistently have the ability to do the job without any color, bias, or feedback, no matter the make. They are excellent and unrivaled in what they are, but that attachment is harder to create just as it is with the iPod or even CDs vs. vinyl.? ? Mike Carmack _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From stamann at jukebox-world.de Wed Jan 14 12:21:14 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Wed Jan 14 12:29:25 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Manual Message-ID: Hello Vittorio, to look for the right schematics is it necessary to know whether ES or ES II technology is installed. The nameplate of the jukebox doesn't say so. Do you make a selection by pressing a number plus A or B - e.g. 29B (ES) or just three digits - like 123 (ES II)? Also would you need just the credit and control unit schematic or all schematics (operating, amplifier, wiring)? Kind regards - Hildegard Stamann -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Vittorio, Mark Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2009 19:16 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Manual Sorry, I hit send accidentally without sending a message! I'm looking for the schematics for the control credit unit for an nsm prestige es-160. Do you have this and if so how much are you asking? Thanks, Mark Vittorio _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Homer87015 at aol.com Wed Jan 14 12:47:40 2009 From: Homer87015 at aol.com (Homer87015@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 14 12:54:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI E 120 restoration photos posted on photo bucket Message-ID: . Guys, On Ebay UK at the moment There`s a bank of buttons allegedly off a "D model " but they look the same as the E and G models I`ve got.. Hope this helps, Nige. From jhayes2613 at aol.com Wed Jan 14 15:56:40 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 14 16:03:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? In-Reply-To: <8CB4459F77146D6-C70-254D@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB44096C334D16-125C-C31@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> <8CB4459F77146D6-C70-254D@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB44BAE1315406-828-1146@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> I let the turntable run its course for a couple of hours this evening. It is sounding about like it was now, with its slight wow. For the heck of it I installed a dirty idler wheel and got the worst results ever. Original wheel put back in, back to square one. I am letting the machine sit cold for awhile and start it up again. If it's about the same, I am sending the idler wheel out for new rubber. If it starts off terrible and gradually improves, it is time to shop around for a replacement motor. -----Original Message----- From: jhayes2613@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 6:22 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? I left the turntable motor?propped up sideways overnight. This morning I checked it and the cardboard I had it resting on had a huge oil stain underneath the motor. Talk about overdoing it... There is SOME good news... it's a fairly pure stain, no black or gunk or anything. I hope this continues to drain off and hence solve my problem. -----Original Message----- From: jhayes2613@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 8:46 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? Hey, everyone- Okay, replacing the grommets underneath the turntable was the solution to my wow issue. The tone arm isn't wobbling all over the place now and the motor sits where it should be nice and tight. Should've known this all along. Prior to replacing the grommets, however, thinking that this was a motor lubrication problem, I suspect that I? had way oversaturated the motor and after replacing it into its frame, it is draggy, draggy, draggy. I want to say that when it was hanging sideways while I was replacing the grommets, oil more than likely slopped over where it shouldn't've. I take it this will mean having to remove the motor and open it up for a cleaning... so I? have several questions. The motor seems to connect in the back somewhere, by the craousel maybe...? Do I need to slide the entire mech out to disconnect the motor? Does the mech pull out from the front or back of the cabinet? What should I use to clean the inside of the motor? Could I attempt does of denatured alcohol to dry up the oil? Wotta mes, huh? TIA- j _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Wed Jan 14 16:27:39 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Wed Jan 14 16:28:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Computer animation "jukebox" on Youtube Message-ID: <20090115002505.M71954@dwave.net> Hi All, Ron Rich sent me a high res version of a computer animated music bit that is very neat. I found a low res version on Youtube that will be easy for everyone to look at (if they wish). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SllII1r9VUE Enjoy. Jeremy Agema From recordhound at verizon.net Wed Jan 14 16:57:13 2009 From: recordhound at verizon.net (Jimmy Day) Date: Wed Jan 14 16:58:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need Rock Ola Parts Message-ID: <4C8E56C7740F48D7A67E54544D0214AD@screwylo> Hi gang - Thought I'd see if anyone here has any of these . . . ROCKOLA PARTS NEEDED for 424 and 433 . . . ************* 4 of the top speakers - these are 5 x 7? Has only two mounting ears. Measures 7 5/8" from hole to hole. Cutout for speaker measures 4 ?". Standard 5 x 7 car speakers are too large. Idler wheel - Princess 424 and GP160 are same, probably several other models would be the same. Cash door trim ring - common to other models? Front glass for Princess 424. Front glass parts for GP 433 Imperial. New stylus - Shure N77. From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Jan 14 17:05:14 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Wed Jan 14 17:01:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Computer animation "jukebox" on Youtube Message-ID: <200901142005718.SM04624@[192.168.1.206]> This is one bit from a DVD series called AniMusic. There are two DVDs total in the series so far. My brother-in-law introduced them to me last year. You have to really see it to believe it...but you have to play it at ear-deafening volume to really appreciate how amazing it really is. It's wild with a surround system and a 1200 watt subwoofer! Aaron From jay at west.net Wed Jan 14 17:08:12 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Jan 14 17:09:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? In-Reply-To: <8CB44BAE1315406-828-1146@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> References: <8CB44096C334D16-125C-C31@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> <8CB4459F77146D6-C70-254D@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com> <8CB44BAE1315406-828-1146@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <496E8C7C.6040104@west.net> jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > I let the turntable run its course for a couple of hours this evening. It is sounding about like it was now, with its slight wow. For the heck of it I installed a dirty idler wheel and got the worst results ever. Original wheel put back in, back to square one. I am letting the machine sit cold for awhile and start it up again. If it's about the same, I am sending the idler wheel out for new rubber. If it starts off terrible and gradually improves, it is time to shop around for a replacement motor. Try popping the tire off of the dirty idler wheel and replacing it with a similar sized O-ring. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From gpatter4 at windstream.net Wed Jan 14 17:24:53 2009 From: gpatter4 at windstream.net (gpatter4@windstream.net) Date: Wed Jan 14 17:52:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need Rock Ola Parts In-Reply-To: <4C8E56C7740F48D7A67E54544D0214AD@screwylo> Message-ID: <20090114192453.RYK5M.578695.root@ispmxfep11-z01> Hi Jimmy, The Rock-ola GP160 speakers are 16 ohms, so be carful when replacing do not mix impedances. Gary ---- Jimmy Day wrote: Hi gang - Thought I'd see if anyone here has any of these . . . ROCKOLA PARTS NEEDED for 424 and 433 . . . ************* 4 of the top speakers - these are 5 x 7? Has only two mounting ears. Measures 7 5/8" from hole to hole. Cutout for speaker measures 4 ?". Standard 5 x 7 car speakers are too large. Idler wheel - Princess 424 and GP160 are same, probably several other models would be the same. Cash door trim ring - common to other models? Front glass for Princess 424. Front glass parts for GP 433 Imperial. New stylus - Shure N77. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gpatter4 at windstream.net Wed Jan 14 17:25:19 2009 From: gpatter4 at windstream.net (gpatter4@windstream.net) Date: Wed Jan 14 18:25:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need Rock Ola Parts Message-ID: <20090114192519.RYTKC.578708.root@ispmxfep11-z01> Hi Jimmy, The Rock-ola GP160 speakers are 16 ohms, so be carful when replacing do not mix impedances. Gary ---- Jimmy Day wrote: Hi gang - Thought I'd see if anyone here has any of these . . . ROCKOLA PARTS NEEDED for 424 and 433 . . . ************* 4 of the top speakers - these are 5 x 7? Has only two mounting ears. Measures 7 5/8" from hole to hole. Cutout for speaker measures 4 ?". Standard 5 x 7 car speakers are too large. Idler wheel - Princess 424 and GP160 are same, probably several other models would be the same. Cash door trim ring - common to other models? Front glass for Princess 424. Front glass parts for GP 433 Imperial. New stylus - Shure N77. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Wed Jan 14 19:05:01 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Wed Jan 14 19:06:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Computer animation "jukebox" on Youtube In-Reply-To: <200901142005718.SM04624@[192.168.1.206]> References: <200901142005718.SM04624@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <20090115030043.M729@dwave.net> Thanks Aaron, I thought it was part of something larger. I spoted water harps on Youtube also. The animation is so similar - is that bit also on your DVD collection? Thanks Jeremy Agema On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:05:14 GMT, Aaron Heverin wrote > This is one bit from a DVD series called AniMusic. There are two > DVDs total in the series so far. My brother-in-law introduced them > to me last year. You have to really see it to believe it...but you > have to play it at ear-deafening volume to really appreciate how > amazing it really is. It's wild with a surround system and a 1200 > watt subwoofer! > > Aaron From Trollmasters at webtv.net Wed Jan 14 19:10:30 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Wed Jan 14 19:11:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp Message-ID: <23296-496EA926-602@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> Anyone on the list have any experience with a United Jukebox? I have a UPB-100S model, its missing the amp. I have a chance to buy a United UMA-1 amp . Does anyone know if this is the right amp for it? I dont have the manual for the jukebox yet. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From jhayes2613 at aol.com Wed Jan 14 19:30:12 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 14 19:37:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? In-Reply-To: <496E8C7C.6040104@west.net> References: <8CB44096C334D16-125C-C31@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> <8CB4459F77146D6-C70-254D@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com><8CB44BAE1315406-828-1146@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> <496E8C7C.6040104@west.net> Message-ID: <8CB44D8B5B0727E-828-1C35@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> O-ring... are we talking hardware store or...? -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? jhayes2613@aol.com wrote:? > I let the turntable run its course for a couple of hours this evening. It is sounding about like it was now, with its slight wow. For the heck of it I installed a dirty idler wheel and got the worst results ever. Original wheel put back in, back to square one. I am letting the machine sit cold for awhile and start it up again. If it's about the same, I am sending the idler wheel out for new rubber. If it starts off terrible and gradually improves, it is time to shop around for a replacement motor.? ? Try popping the tire off of the dirty idler wheel and replacing it with a similar sized O-ring.? ? --? Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From jay at west.net Wed Jan 14 19:46:03 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Jan 14 19:47:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? In-Reply-To: <8CB44D8B5B0727E-828-1C35@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> References: <8CB44096C334D16-125C-C31@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> <8CB4459F77146D6-C70-254D@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com><8CB44BAE1315406-828-1146@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> <496E8C7C.6040104@west.net> <8CB44D8B5B0727E-828-1C35@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <496EB17B.2040304@west.net> jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > O-ring... are we talking hardware store or...? Good industrial type hardware store, auto parts store perhaps. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 19:51:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 14 19:52:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp In-Reply-To: <23296-496EA926-602@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <608365.70091.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Ah, a United--the music playing pinball machine----well, I think?the A model was mono, the B you have is stereo-don't think that the amp will fit physically--but really do not remember? the A that well. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/14/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:10 PM Anyone on the list have any experience with a United Jukebox? I have a UPB-100S model, its missing the amp. I have a chance to buy a United UMA-1 amp . Does anyone know if this is the right amp for it? I dont have the manual for the jukebox yet. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 14 19:53:41 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Jan 14 19:54:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp References: <23296-496EA926-602@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <001c01c976c4$db781f40$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I used to own an A and a C model. Uniteds are definitely in the underdog class, but I found them to be reliable and they have good sound. Very fast mech that loads records from either side and is fun to watch, but is kind of hidden on the B,C, and D models. The mech is simple, but there are a lot of relay contacts to clean, not unlike a pinball machine. Anyway, the UMA-1 is a mono amp and you have a stereo machine. You need to find the UMA-2 amp. Good luck - I've not seen a stereo United and parts for any United are not easy to find. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp > Anyone on the list have any experience with a United Jukebox? I have a > UPB-100S model, its missing the amp. I have a chance to buy a United > UMA-1 amp . Does anyone know if this is the right amp for it? I dont > have the manual for the jukebox yet. Thanks, Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From goldenflash60 at aol.com Wed Jan 14 20:26:53 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 14 20:34:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 Message-ID: <8CB44E0A08FD000-1020-15F4@WEBMAIL-MY38.sysops.aol.com> i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 jukebox from a guy for very cheap.? the box is not working properly though.? the display works, the backlight for the title strips works and the coin acceptor works, but the outside lights and the player do not work.? the guy said he replaced a blown fuse and the main control unit started smoking.? does anyone know anything about these or have any recommendations.? i know people will say to run away but this is really cheap and i want to give it a try.? thanks, tom From jjblue4 at juno.com Wed Jan 14 21:03:33 2009 From: jjblue4 at juno.com (jjblue4@juno.com) Date: Wed Jan 14 21:13:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 Message-ID: <20090114.210422.468.14.jjblue4@juno.com> I must say that NSM's have good sound and its cool to watch the records play standing up. But they are a real pain to fix once they break. I have a festival right now its being used as a coat rack. when I got it is was dead, bought another to fix it but ended up junking the first one and keeping the second. It played fine for quite awhile, then a few lines on the display went out, then a relay switch blew, couldn't find one, bought another computer/amp, completely recaped that, then a needle broke, then the credit computer blew up, I was using it manually, then one channel went out, now a led isn't lighted on the computer. The con's out way the pro's, I say stay away. Mine will probably get the ax and the parts listed on the bay. I have a box full of amp cards, I also had to completely rebuild the carriage, stay away and get a wurlitzer or rockola. When I get some spare change I will buy a nice tube version of a wurlitzer. By the way nsm's have no collector value that I have seen. Jason On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:26:53 -0500 goldenflash60@aol.com writes: > i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 jukebox from a guy > for very cheap.? the box is not working properly though.? the > display works, the backlight for the title strips works and the coin > acceptor works, but the outside lights and the player do not work.? > the guy said he replaced a blown fuse and the main control unit > started smoking.? does anyone know anything about these or have any > recommendations.? i know people will say to run away but this is > really cheap and i want to give it a try.? thanks, tom > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find old friends, lovers or family. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3ZEau89fsCkK9fz7uwaGbC6EZbWOcBBAbyrctPukR1SmR0i/ From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Wed Jan 14 21:57:21 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Wed Jan 14 22:04:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 In-Reply-To: <20090114.210422.468.14.jjblue4@juno.com> Message-ID: <508919.43850.qm@web96010.mail.aue.yahoo.com> I agree with what has been said in the forum, NSM units are heaps of junk..... no-one I have talked to have any luck with repairs (repairers) or spare parts.. I have a city2 sitting here (plays A sides but won't flick the arm etc for the B sides). My old trusty Wurlitzer Statesman leaves it for dead.. --- On Thu, 15/1/09, jjblue4@juno.com wrote: > From: jjblue4@juno.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Received: Thursday, 15 January, 2009, 6:03 PM > I must say that NSM's have good sound and its cool to > watch the records > play standing up. But they are a real pain to fix once they > break. I have > a festival right now its being used as a coat rack. when I > got it is was > dead, bought another to fix it but ended up junking the > first one and > keeping the second. It played fine for quite awhile, then a > few lines on > the display went out, then a relay switch blew, > couldn't find one, bought > another computer/amp, completely recaped that, then a > needle broke, then > the credit computer blew up, I was using it manually, then > one channel > went out, now a led isn't lighted on the computer. The > con's out way the > pro's, I say stay away. Mine will probably get the ax > and the parts > listed on the bay. I have a box full of amp cards, I also > had to > completely rebuild the carriage, stay away and get a > wurlitzer or > rockola. When I get some spare change I will buy a nice > tube version of a > wurlitzer. By the way nsm's have no collector value > that I have seen. > > Jason > > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:26:53 -0500 goldenflash60@aol.com > writes: > > i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 > jukebox from a guy > > for very cheap.? the box is not working properly > though.? the > > display works, the backlight for the title strips > works and the coin > > acceptor works, but the outside lights and the player > do not work.? > > the guy said he replaced a blown fuse and the main > control unit > > started smoking.? does anyone know anything about > these or have any > > recommendations.? i know people will say to run away > but this is > > really cheap and i want to give it a try.? thanks, tom > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find old friends, lovers or family. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3ZEau89fsCkK9fz7uwaGbC6EZbWOcBBAbyrctPukR1SmR0i/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Jan 14 23:34:01 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Jan 14 23:36:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need Rock Ola Parts Message-ID: <20090115.023401.6263.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jimmy: I'm answering the easiest of your parts questions for you. Hope this helps. Shure M77 replacement stylii can be obtained at www.needles4jukeboxes.com Vintage Electronics or possibly at Victory Glass. Victory Glass bought out all of RO's original remaining parts stock for jukes of the 50's-60's-70's-80's-early 90's. Victory took possession of this stock when ownership of Rock Ola was transferred to Glen Streeters' company. Victory Glass PH 515 987 5765 web: www.victoryglass.com They may have N.O.S. glass pieces you need and maybe the idler wheels. If you have damaged idler wheels, they can be re vulcanized/resurfaced usually at less cost than a new one. A company that does this Vintage Electronics . PH 601 264 4755 web: www.vintagelectronics.com JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1241/?u=http://www.freeservers.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jan 15 00:07:56 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jan 15 00:11:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 Message-ID: <20090115.030756.6263.3@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Tom: Parts and service support for older vinyl-CD NSM jukeboxes is rather sketchy. Many times jukebox operators with several machines have had to turn one of the units into a parts donor in order to keep other NSM units operational. This is probably why their resale value is so poor. There are usually several for sale on E Bay. NSM does have an office in the US, now called NSM Music but they are concentrating all efforts to their on line digital jukeboxes and have no support/parts for older record or CD jukes. NSM is headquartered in the UK. The 80's-90's era jukes were in prevalent use there, and there seems to be several independent parts/service operations that have tech parts and help available. Their 80's era vinyl jukeboxes use a digitally-controlled processor that can be hard to service if you are not set to troubleshoot it. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9K5v5J9AFOfjQOPBXaitKtLIWhaWzfyFkCCxdjsDpKJObjI/ From jeremy at dwave.net Thu Jan 15 04:12:19 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Thu Jan 15 04:13:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 In-Reply-To: <8CB44E0A08FD000-1020-15F4@WEBMAIL-MY38.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB44E0A08FD000-1020-15F4@WEBMAIL-MY38.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20090115120244.M72974@dwave.net> Hi Tom, if this is your first juke and you don't have any electronic repair experience than pass on it. To properly work on these you need a full schematic. There are no trouble shooting guides and not much was printed for these jukes. BUT - I like a challenge and purchased one a few years ago. I have some electronic experience and this machine helped me learn more (if I wanted to or not!). I worked on a guys computer box and the smoked components were caused from a bad diode on the power supply board. I had it fixed and then I selected a song - out went the magic smoke. I have posted several pics on photo bucket and will be adding a video of it playing (I love the color organ). http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite%20200/ Good luck. Jeremy Agema On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:26:53 -0500, goldenflash60 wrote > i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 jukebox from a guy > for very cheap.? the box is not working properly though.? the > display works, the backlight for the title strips works and the coin > acceptor works, but the outside lights and the player do not work.? > the guy said he replaced a blown fuse and the main control unit > started smoking.? does anyone know anything about these or have any > recommendations.? i know people will say to run away but this is > really cheap and i want to give it a try.? thanks, tom _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dave.halford at telent.com Thu Jan 15 04:22:29 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Thu Jan 15 04:23:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 Message-ID: <20090115122236.B0183156AE3@blade109.la.inty.net> Jeremy We had a thread on this last year!! I thought everyone knew you have to keep the smoke inside components. Smoke is a components blood, when the smoke escapes they die. Several layers of cling film can help. ;O) regards Dave H "Jeremy Agema" To: Jukebox mailing list Sent by: cc: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 etlojix.com 15/01/2009 12:12 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Hi Tom, if this is your first juke and you don't have any electronic repair experience than pass on it. To properly work on these you need a full schematic. There are no trouble shooting guides and not much was printed for these jukes. BUT - I like a challenge and purchased one a few years ago. I have some electronic experience and this machine helped me learn more (if I wanted to or not!). I worked on a guys computer box and the smoked components were caused from a bad diode on the power supply board. I had it fixed and then I selected a song - out went the magic smoke. I have posted several pics on photo bucket and will be adding a video of it playing (I love the color organ). http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite%20200/ Good luck. Jeremy Agema On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:26:53 -0500, goldenflash60 wrote > i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 jukebox from a guy > for very cheap.? the box is not working properly though.? the > display works, the backlight for the title strips works and the coin > acceptor works, but the outside lights and the player do not work.? > the guy said he replaced a blown fuse and the main control unit > started smoking.? does anyone know anything about these or have any > recommendations.? i know people will say to run away but this is > really cheap and i want to give it a try.? thanks, tom _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From jeremy at dwave.net Thu Jan 15 04:47:55 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Thu Jan 15 04:49:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 In-Reply-To: <20090115122236.B0183156AE3@blade109.la.inty.net> References: <20090115122236.B0183156AE3@blade109.la.inty.net> Message-ID: <20090115124233.M77572@dwave.net> Now that you mention it I do remember something from last year. So as a safety precaution on untested components I think I will invest in protection - band-aids perhaps. Because right now after the smoke gets out I end up using antacids :) Jeremy Agema On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:22:29 +0000, dave.halford wrote > Jeremy > > We had a thread on this last year!! > I thought everyone knew you have to keep the smoke inside components. > Smoke is a components blood, when the smoke escapes they die. > Several layers of cling film can help. > > ;O) > regards > > Dave H > > "Jeremy Agema" > > > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent by: > cc: > jukebox-list- > bounces@lists.n Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm > satellite 200 > etlojix.com > > 15/01/2009 12:12 > > Please respond to Jukebox > > mailing list > > Hi Tom, if this is your first juke and you don't have any electronic > repair > > experience than pass on it. To properly work on these you need a full > schematic. There are no trouble shooting guides and not much was printed > for > these jukes. > > BUT - I like a challenge and purchased one a few years ago. I have some > electronic experience and this machine helped me learn more (if I > wanted to > > or not!). > > I worked on a guys computer box and the smoked components were > caused from a bad diode on the power supply board. I had it fixed > and then I selected a song - out went the magic smoke. > > I have posted several pics on photo bucket and will be adding a > video of it > > playing (I love the color organ). > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite%20200/ > > Good luck. > > Jeremy Agema > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:26:53 -0500, goldenflash60 wrote > > i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 jukebox from a guy > > for very cheap.? the box is not working properly though.? the > > display works, the backlight for the title strips works and the coin > > acceptor works, but the outside lights and the player do not work.? > > the guy said he replaced a blown fuse and the main control unit > > started smoking.? does anyone know anything about these or have any > > recommendations.? i know people will say to run away but this is > > really cheap and i want to give it a try.? thanks, tom > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - > www.maildefender.net > > This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any > attachments may contain confidential information and/or be > privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not > distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to > anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you > have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail > from your system. Please note that any views or opinions > presented in this email are solely those of the author and may > not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission > cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can > be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late > or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not > accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of > this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or > for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From goldenflash60 at aol.com Thu Jan 15 04:50:11 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 15 04:56:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 In-Reply-To: <20090115120244.M72974@dwave.net> References: <8CB44E0A08FD000-1020-15F4@WEBMAIL-MY38.sysops.aol.com> <20090115120244.M72974@dwave.net> Message-ID: <8CB4526EFF422BD-4F0-124C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> how did you find all the info on this box.? i appreciate you sending me this.? so does this problem sound familiar to the one you worked on.? also what does the outer ring not working have to do with the jukebox not playing.? if you can help or know someone that fixes these or has a service manual i would appreciate any help.? thanks, tom -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Agema To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 6:12 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 Hi Tom, if this is your first juke and you don't have any electronic repair experience than pass on it. To properly work on these you need a full schematic. There are no trouble shooting guides and not much was printed for these jukes. BUT - I like a challenge and purchased one a few years ago. I have some electronic experience and this machine helped me learn more (if I wanted to or not!). I worked on a guys computer box and the smoked components were caused from a bad diode on the power supply board. I had it fixed and then I selected a song - out went the magic smoke. I have posted several pics on photo bucket and will be adding a video of it playing (I love the color organ). http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite%20200/ Good luck. Jeremy Agema On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:26:53 -0500, goldenflash60 wrote > i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 jukebox from a guy > for very cheap.? the box is not working properly though.? the > display works, the backlight for the title strips works and the coin > acceptor works, but the outside lights and the player do not work.? > the guy said he replaced a blown fuse and the main control unit > started smoking.? does anyone know anything about these or have any > recommendations.? i know people will say to run away but this is > really cheap and i want to give it a try.? thanks, tom _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From goldenflash60 at aol.com Thu Jan 15 04:52:58 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 15 05:05:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 In-Reply-To: <20090115124233.M77572@dwave.net> References: <20090115122236.B0183156AE3@blade109.la.inty.net> <20090115124233.M77572@dwave.net> Message-ID: <8CB452753DB9FC1-4F0-1267@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> well i was looking for actual help, but the dry sense of humor helps too.? i was kindof constipated...but not now! -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Agema To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 6:47 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 Now that you mention it I do remember something from last year. So as a safety precaution on untested components I think I will invest in protection - band-aids perhaps. Because right now after the smoke gets out I end up using antacids :) Jeremy Agema On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:22:29 +0000, dave.halford wrote > Jeremy > > We had a thread on this last year!! > I thought everyone knew you have to keep the smoke inside components. > Smoke is a components blood, when the smoke escapes they die. > Several layers of cling film can help. > > ;O) > regards > > Dave H > > "Jeremy Agema" > > > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent by: > cc: > jukebox-list- > bounces@lists.n Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm > satellite 200 > etlojix.com > > 15/01/2009 12:12 > > Please respond to Jukebox > > mailing list > > Hi Tom, if this is your first juke and you don't have any electronic > repair > > experience than pass on it. To properly work on these you need a full > schematic. There are no trouble shooting guides and not much was printed > for > these jukes. > > BUT - I like a challenge and purchased one a few years ago. I have some > electronic experience and this machine helped me learn more (if I > wanted to > > or not!). > > I worked on a guys computer box and the smoked components were > caused from a bad diode on the power supply board. I had it fixed > and then I selected a song - out went the magic smoke. > > I have posted several pics on photo bucket and will be adding a > video of it > > playing (I love the color organ). > > http://s542.pho tobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite%20200/ > > Good luck. > > Jeremy Agema > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:26:53 -0500, goldenflash60 wrote > > i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 jukebox from a guy > > for very cheap.? the box is not working properly though.? the > > display works, the backlight for the title strips works and the coin > > acceptor works, but the outside lights and the player do not work.? > > the guy said he replaced a blown fuse and the main control unit > > started smoking.? does anyone know anything about these or have any > > recommendations.? i know people will say to run away but this is > > really cheap and i want to give it a try.? thanks, tom > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - > www.maildefender.net > > This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any > attachments may contain confidential information and/or be > privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not > distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to > anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you > have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail > from your system. Please note that any views or opinions > presented in this email are solely those of the author and may > not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission > cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can > be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late > or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not > accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of > this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or > for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dave.halford at telent.com Thu Jan 15 05:32:12 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Thu Jan 15 05:33:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 Message-ID: <20090115133220.0215820EFE7@blade202.lb.inty.net> Sorry about that Tom, but when he replaced that fuse with one that was too big and smoked the main box I expect he pretty much killed it for you. If you were over here in the UK where NSM is fairly common you can get parts, but in the US..... + the manual may only be in german. Why not go for an early70's Rocky no one collector wise really likes them either, but you seldom see a broken one except for oiling issues. regards Dave H goldenflash60@aol.com Sent by: To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n cc: etlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 15/01/2009 12:52 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list well i was looking for actual help, but the dry sense of humor helps too.? i was kindof constipated...but not now! -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Agema To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 6:47 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 Now that you mention it I do remember something from last year. So as a safety precaution on untested components I think I will invest in protection - band-aids perhaps. Because right now after the smoke gets out I end up using antacids :) Jeremy Agema On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:22:29 +0000, dave.halford wrote > Jeremy > > We had a thread on this last year!! > I thought everyone knew you have to keep the smoke inside components. > Smoke is a components blood, when the smoke escapes they die. > Several layers of cling film can help. > > ;O) > regards > > Dave H > > "Jeremy Agema" > > > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent by: > cc: > jukebox-list- > bounces@lists.n Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm > satellite 200 > etlojix.com > > 15/01/2009 12:12 > > Please respond to Jukebox > > mailing list > > Hi Tom, if this is your first juke and you don't have any electronic > repair > > experience than pass on it. To properly work on these you need a full > schematic. There are no trouble shooting guides and not much was printed > for > these jukes. > > BUT - I like a challenge and purchased one a few years ago. I have some > electronic experience and this machine helped me learn more (if I > wanted to > > or not!). > > I worked on a guys computer box and the smoked components were > caused from a bad diode on the power supply board. I had it fixed > and then I selected a song - out went the magic smoke. > > I have posted several pics on photo bucket and will be adding a > video of it > > playing (I love the color organ). > > http://s542.pho tobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite%20200/ > > Good luck. > > Jeremy Agema > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:26:53 -0500, goldenflash60 wrote > > i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 jukebox from a guy > > for very cheap.? the box is not working properly though.? the > > display works, the backlight for the title strips works and the coin > > acceptor works, but the outside lights and the player do not work.? > > the guy said he replaced a blown fuse and the main control unit > > started smoking.? does anyone know anything about these or have any > > recommendations.? i know people will say to run away but this is > > really cheap and i want to give it a try.? thanks, tom > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - > www.maildefender.net > > This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From jeremy at dwave.net Thu Jan 15 05:47:26 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Thu Jan 15 05:48:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 In-Reply-To: <8CB4526EFF422BD-4F0-124C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB44E0A08FD000-1020-15F4@WEBMAIL-MY38.sysops.aol.com> <20090115120244.M72974@dwave.net> <8CB4526EFF422BD-4F0-124C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20090115132707.M2080@dwave.net> Well Tom, After all my research I purchased a schematic and parts list on ebay. I also got a programming book - thats it. There really isn't a service manual that explains how to fix things (like american jukes). It was just me figuring things out, looking at computer chip part numbers and researching how each chip works. Slowly (very slowly) the gears began to turn in my head and I could start to troubleshoot it. The outer ring is a completely separate from the other computer functions. In my photobucket pics there is a photo of the color organ board. This board takes the audio signal from the player and makes the lights dance (depending on how the 4 switches are set on the board. If you want to send me all the boards and the mech carriage I can get things running for you - I did this for a nice guy last year. It won't be cheap and there is a possibility of sending components back and forth (since I wont have the whole juke. Unfortunately the person I worked with last year accidently crossed some cables hooking up his computer and blew out the display digits along with some chips on the display board. So after I rebuilt that he is up and running and very happy Feel free to email me off the list Tom and we can go from there. Jeremy Agema On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:50:11 -0500, goldenflash60 wrote > how did you find all the info on this box.? i appreciate you sending > me this.? so does this problem sound familiar to the one you worked > on.? also what does the outer ring not working have to do with the > jukebox not playing.? if you can help or know someone that fixes > these or has a service manual i would appreciate any help.? thanks, tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeremy Agema > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 6:12 am > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 > > Hi Tom, if this is your first juke and you don't have any electronic > repair experience than pass on it. To properly work on these you > need a full schematic. There are no trouble shooting guides and not > much was printed for these jukes. > > BUT - I like a challenge and purchased one a few years ago. I have > some electronic experience and this machine helped me learn more (if > I wanted to or not!). > > I worked on a guys computer box and the smoked components were > caused from a bad diode on the power supply board. I had it fixed > and then I selected a song - out went the magic smoke. > > I have posted several pics on photo bucket and will be adding a > video of it playing (I love the color organ). > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite%20200/ > > Good luck. > > Jeremy Agema > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:26:53 -0500, goldenflash60 wrote > > i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 jukebox from a guy > > for very cheap.? the box is not working properly though.? the > > display works, the backlight for the title strips works and the coin > > acceptor works, but the outside lights and the player do not work.? > > the guy said he replaced a blown fuse and the main control unit > > started smoking.? does anyone know anything about these or have any > > recommendations.? i know people will say to run away but this is > > really cheap and i want to give it a try.? thanks, tom > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 15 06:52:53 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Jan 15 06:54:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 In-Reply-To: <20090114.210422.468.14.jjblue4@juno.com> Message-ID: <507415.20013.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jason: ? That is totally true! I also had an NSM Festival. I bought it non-working. It did nothing with the exception of the cabinet lighting up! After months of searching I finally got a computer and amp for it. I got it running then the leds on the top went out and it slowed down and sped up and then the amp went on one side. I too junked mine and put the cabinet out to the side of the road and some guy asked me if he could have it. He went on to tell me that he was using it as a lizard tank LOL! I am sure it would be better as that then what it was when I had it. I have found once the NSM's start to give trouble that they are forever never ending trouble. So here I am sitting here with all the parts out of that machine. I will never buy another NSM even if it is cheap. ? P.S. Even when I did find a distributor for the NSM parts I never got them and that was over 3 years ago.? ? Regards, Tony ? ? ? ? ? --- On Thu, 1/15/09, jjblue4@juno.com wrote: From: jjblue4@juno.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 12:03 AM I must say that NSM's have good sound and its cool to watch the records play standing up. But they are a real pain to fix once they break. I have a festival right now its being used as a coat rack. when I got it is was dead, bought another to fix it but ended up junking the first one and keeping the second. It played fine for quite awhile, then a few lines on the display went out, then a relay switch blew, couldn't find one, bought another computer/amp, completely recaped that, then a needle broke, then the credit computer blew up, I was using it manually, then one channel went out, now a led isn't lighted on the computer. The con's out way the pro's, I say stay away. Mine will probably get the ax and the parts listed on the bay. I have a box full of amp cards, I also had to completely rebuild the carriage, stay away and get a wurlitzer or rockola. When I get some spare change I will buy a nice tube version of a wurlitzer. By the way nsm's have no collector value that I have seen. Jason On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:26:53 -0500 goldenflash60@aol.com writes: > i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 jukebox from a guy > for very cheap.? the box is not working properly though.? the > display works, the backlight for the title strips works and the coin > acceptor works, but the outside lights and the player do not work.? > the guy said he replaced a blown fuse and the main control unit > started smoking.? does anyone know anything about these or have any > recommendations.? i know people will say to run away but this is > really cheap and i want to give it a try.? thanks, tom > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find old friends, lovers or family. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3ZEau89fsCkK9fz7uwaGbC6EZbWOcBBAbyrctPukR1SmR0i/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From johntrav at suddenlink.net Thu Jan 15 07:47:36 2009 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Thu Jan 15 07:48:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 References: <507415.20013.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For all you NSM victims, Happ Controls www.happcontrols.com lists a few NSM CD juke parts as well as Digital Micro upgrade kits for CDM3 & 4 players to Sanyo players. While working at Happ, I sold a lot of these kits to operators and they seemed very satisfied with the performance. There is a 2 year warranty on the player and an "out of warranty" player costs $87.50 Kit prices are $265. and $275. respectively according to the 2008 catalog. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 Jason: That is totally true! I also had an NSM Festival. I bought it non-working. It did nothing with the exception of the cabinet lighting up! After months of searching I finally got a computer and amp for it. I got it running then the leds on the top went out and it slowed down and sped up and then the amp went on one side. I too junked mine and put the cabinet out to the side of the road and some guy asked me if he could have it. He went on to tell me that he was using it as a lizard tank LOL! I am sure it would be better as that then what it was when I had it. I have found once the NSM's start to give trouble that they are forever never ending trouble. So here I am sitting here with all the parts out of that machine. I will never buy another NSM even if it is cheap. P.S. Even when I did find a distributor for the NSM parts I never got them and that was over 3 years ago. Regards, Tony --- On Thu, 1/15/09, jjblue4@juno.com wrote: From: jjblue4@juno.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 12:03 AM I must say that NSM's have good sound and its cool to watch the records play standing up. But they are a real pain to fix once they break. I have a festival right now its being used as a coat rack. when I got it is was dead, bought another to fix it but ended up junking the first one and keeping the second. It played fine for quite awhile, then a few lines on the display went out, then a relay switch blew, couldn't find one, bought another computer/amp, completely recaped that, then a needle broke, then the credit computer blew up, I was using it manually, then one channel went out, now a led isn't lighted on the computer. The con's out way the pro's, I say stay away. Mine will probably get the ax and the parts listed on the bay. I have a box full of amp cards, I also had to completely rebuild the carriage, stay away and get a wurlitzer or rockola. When I get some spare change I will buy a nice tube version of a wurlitzer. By the way nsm's have no collector value that I have seen. Jason On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:26:53 -0500 goldenflash60@aol.com writes: > i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 jukebox from a guy > for very cheap.? the box is not working properly though.? the > display works, the backlight for the title strips works and the coin > acceptor works, but the outside lights and the player do not work.? > the guy said he replaced a blown fuse and the main control unit > started smoking.? does anyone know anything about these or have any > recommendations.? i know people will say to run away but this is > really cheap and i want to give it a try.? thanks, tom > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find old friends, lovers or family. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3ZEau89fsCkK9fz7uwaGbC6EZbWOcBBAbyrctPukR1SmR0i/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 08:07:26 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jan 15 08:08:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 In-Reply-To: <20090115.030756.6263.3@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <419780.63553.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You might try flamrec@bigpond.net.au for NSM parts/ service--Please tell Erwin "Hi" from me, if you do. TIA,--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 1/15/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 12:07 AM Tom: Parts and service support for older vinyl-CD NSM jukeboxes is rather sketchy. Many times jukebox operators with several machines have had to turn one of the units into a parts donor in order to keep other NSM units operational. This is probably why their resale value is so poor. There are usually several for sale on E Bay. NSM does have an office in the US, now called NSM Music but they are concentrating all efforts to their on line digital jukeboxes and have no support/parts for older record or CD jukes. NSM is headquartered in the UK. The 80's-90's era jukes were in prevalent use there, and there seems to be several independent parts/service operations that have tech parts and help available. Their 80's era vinyl jukeboxes use a digitally-controlled processor that can be hard to service if you are not set to troubleshoot it. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9K5v5J9AFOfjQOPBXaitKtLIWhaWzfyFkCCxdjsDpKJObjI/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Thu Jan 15 08:17:04 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Thu Jan 15 08:18:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Animated music References: <23296-496EA926-602@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <33125D5D480B4B7D8E556F6ABD7F3B22@PAW> This is for all those that like animated music instuments. The DVD's are awsume!! Roy http://www.animusic.com/ From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Thu Jan 15 08:21:16 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Thu Jan 15 08:22:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp References: <23296-496EA926-602@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <2EF6871B684C4E17909B5534D1F9BEDE@PAW> Jim The UMA-1 amp is a Mono amp your machine rerquires a stereo amp which would be a UMA-2 so my manual says. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in bisiness supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM til 6 PM EST Thats GMT-5 for those of you across the POND From edinman at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 07:27:06 2009 From: edinman at earthlink.net (Ed Inman) Date: Thu Jan 15 08:30:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 Message-ID: <24278496.1232033226147.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I bought an NSM brand new in the 80s and it started going haywire after less than 6 months on the route. My Rock-Olas from the same period are still going strong. If you want a massive, never-ending challenge go with an NSM. If you want an inexpensive 80s machine that works go with a Rock-Ola or a Rowe--they may not be so flashy but either one will be far more reliable and easier to work on than an NSM. just my .02, Ed -----Original Message----- >From: Lala Blah Blah I have found once the NSM's start to give trouble that they are forever never ending trouble. So here I am sitting here with all the parts out of that machine. I will never buy another NSM even if it is cheap. From jeremy at dwave.net Thu Jan 15 08:33:51 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Thu Jan 15 08:35:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Animated music In-Reply-To: <33125D5D480B4B7D8E556F6ABD7F3B22@PAW> References: <23296-496EA926-602@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> <33125D5D480B4B7D8E556F6ABD7F3B22@PAW> Message-ID: <20090115163224.M22745@dwave.net> Thanks for the link Roy. I didn't know they offered audio cds also. I think I will be purchasing a set soon. Jeremy Agema On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:17:04 -0500, The Jukebox Junkyard wrote > This is for all those that like animated music instuments. > > The DVD's are awsume!! > > Roy > > http://www.animusic.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Thu Jan 15 09:25:23 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Thu Jan 15 09:26:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp In-Reply-To: "The Jukebox Junkyard" 's message of Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:21:16 -0500 Message-ID: <225-496F7183-1445@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net> Thanks for all the info guys. Since I posted my question, another guy e-mailed me and said the UMA-1 amp stands for United "Master" Amp , and the "M" doesnt stand for mono, but stands for master. So, Roy, does your book definately show it as a mono? Since the parts are so hard to get for these machines I wonder if I could rig the output so that you have sound going into both speakers , even though it wouldnt be true stereo. At least I would have an amp for it then. I really wouldnt have got this juke except for the fact that it was so cheap. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From drjukebox at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 10:01:02 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Thu Jan 15 10:02:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 In-Reply-To: <24278496.1232033226147.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24278496.1232033226147.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3154d3690901151001m5e4b239ga2e976adad735d48@mail.gmail.com> I was so surprised to see lots of NSM poppin up on locations all over the US in the 80s. How could they sell even one machine?How could they compete price-wise? I never figured that out. Jens On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Ed Inman wrote: > I bought an NSM brand new in the 80s and it started going haywire after > less than 6 months on the route. > My Rock-Olas from the same period are still going strong. > If you want a massive, never-ending challenge go with an NSM. > If you want an inexpensive 80s machine that works go with a Rock-Ola or a > Rowe--they may not be so flashy but either one will be far more reliable and > easier to work on than an NSM. > just my .02, > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Lala Blah Blah > I have found once the NSM's start to give trouble that they are forever > never ending trouble. So here I am sitting here with all the parts out of > that machine. I will never buy another NSM even if it is cheap. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Thu Jan 15 11:39:31 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Thu Jan 15 11:40:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 References: <507415.20013.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I do business with Operators Distributing out of North Carolina. They are great folks and have been very helpful supporting my NSM CD jukeboxes but I'm not sure how helpful they can be with older 45 models. Jeff can be reached at (336) 884-5714 Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Travelletti" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 > For all you NSM victims, Happ Controls www.happcontrols.com lists a few > NSM CD juke parts as well as Digital Micro upgrade kits for CDM3 & 4 > players to Sanyo players. While working at Happ, I sold a lot of these > kits to operators and they seemed very satisfied with the performance. > There is a 2 year warranty on the player and an "out of warranty" player > costs $87.50 Kit prices are $265. and $275. respectively according to the > 2008 catalog. > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lala Blah Blah" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 > > > Jason: > > That is totally true! I also had an NSM Festival. I bought it non-working. > It did nothing with the exception of the cabinet lighting up! After months > of searching I finally got a computer and amp for it. I got it running > then the leds on the top went out and it slowed down and sped up and then > the amp went on one side. I too junked mine and put the cabinet out to the > side of the road and some guy asked me if he could have it. He went on to > tell me that he was using it as a lizard tank LOL! I am sure it would be > better as that then what it was when I had it. I have found once the NSM's > start to give trouble that they are forever never ending trouble. So here > I am sitting here with all the parts out of that machine. I will never buy > another NSM even if it is cheap. > > P.S. Even when I did find a distributor for the NSM parts I never got them > and that was over 3 years ago. > > Regards, Tony > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, jjblue4@juno.com wrote: > > From: jjblue4@juno.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Received: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 12:03 AM > > I must say that NSM's have good sound and its cool to watch the records > play standing up. But they are a real pain to fix once they break. I have > a festival right now its being used as a coat rack. when I got it is was > dead, bought another to fix it but ended up junking the first one and > keeping the second. It played fine for quite awhile, then a few lines on > the display went out, then a relay switch blew, couldn't find one, bought > another computer/amp, completely recaped that, then a needle broke, then > the credit computer blew up, I was using it manually, then one channel > went out, now a led isn't lighted on the computer. The con's out way > the > pro's, I say stay away. Mine will probably get the ax and the parts > listed on the bay. I have a box full of amp cards, I also had to > completely rebuild the carriage, stay away and get a wurlitzer or > rockola. When I get some spare change I will buy a nice tube version of a > wurlitzer. By the way nsm's have no collector value that I have seen. > > Jason > > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:26:53 -0500 goldenflash60@aol.com writes: >> i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 jukebox from a guy >> for very cheap.? the box is not working properly though.? the >> display works, the backlight for the title strips works and the coin >> acceptor works, but the outside lights and the player do not work.? >> the guy said he replaced a blown fuse and the main control unit >> started smoking.? does anyone know anything about these or have any >> recommendations.? i know people will say to run away but this is >> really cheap and i want to give it a try.? thanks, tom >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find old friends, lovers or family. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3ZEau89fsCkK9fz7uwaGbC6EZbWOcBBAbyrctPukR1SmR0i/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! 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Download it now at > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From ccos at knology.net Thu Jan 15 11:43:52 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Thu Jan 15 11:45:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 References: <24278496.1232033226147.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <3154d3690901151001m5e4b239ga2e976adad735d48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5506A245A15843C7922986BDF3138B1B@home31b34d4856> An old operator I bought out used to run Seeburgs so when he couldn't get those anymore, he was completely in the dark with anything with a carosel so he chose NSM thinking it was closer to what he was used to. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 >I was so surprised to see lots of NSM poppin up on locations all over the >US > in the 80s. How could they sell even one machine?How could they compete > price-wise? > I never figured that out. > > > Jens > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Ed Inman wrote: > >> I bought an NSM brand new in the 80s and it started going haywire after >> less than 6 months on the route. >> My Rock-Olas from the same period are still going strong. >> If you want a massive, never-ending challenge go with an NSM. >> If you want an inexpensive 80s machine that works go with a Rock-Ola or a >> Rowe--they may not be so flashy but either one will be far more reliable >> and >> easier to work on than an NSM. >> just my .02, >> Ed >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: Lala Blah Blah >> I have found once the NSM's start to give trouble that they are forever >> never ending trouble. So here I am sitting here with all the parts out of >> that machine. I will never buy another NSM even if it is cheap. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jan 15 12:22:09 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jan 15 12:25:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 Message-ID: <20090115.152209.26545.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: RE: NSM resources Other contributors to the chatroom have listed many of the US NSM resources remaining. One referral that I was given the last time I contacted NSM directly for jukebox service parts was: Sun Amusement Co, 3208 International Pl. Irving TX 75014 PH 972 721 4600. This was 5 years ago. I don't know how helpful this will be in 2009. Here are some independent UK-based parts and repair facility website addresses I have that deal with older NSM vinyl and CD jukeboxes. These are for the models where parts/support is scarce in the US. Hope these might help. www.jukeboxservices.co.uk alternate web address--directs you to the above www.nsmjukebox.co.uk/ www.thejukeboxman.com Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Lose up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. 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I have seen this on various NSM's a few times, it is cured by dismantling, cleaning and re-assembling the mechanism. I suspect it's our old enemy WD40 that causes most of these problems! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:26 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 jukebox from a guy for very cheap.? the box is not working properly though.? the display works, the backlight for the title strips works and the coin acceptor works, but the outside lights and the player do not work.? the guy said he replaced a blown fuse and the main control unit started smoking.? does anyone know anything about these or have any recommendations.? i know people will say to run away but this is really cheap and i want to give it a try.? thanks, tom _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1895 - Release Date: 15/01/2009 07:46 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jan 15 14:59:13 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jan 15 15:02:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 Message-ID: <20090115.175913.22683.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Hello Adrian: I've got a question for you. I operate a small independent repair business in the US. I posted 2 UK-based web addresses to the jukebox list earlier today that advertise parts & service support for older NSM vinyl jukeboxes. Service support (online, at least) seems to be more plentiful in the UK than in Germany. If I needed to buy NSM parts,manuals,etc from one of the English suppliers, are you aware if there would be any tariffs, duty, taxes, customs procedures etc that have to be observed. I'm aware that the US dollar has declined in value compared to the English currency. If this question is outside of your expertise, thank you for listening. Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx905WL0axAb3H8hiI6fdM9TNC3rrKBAXGTmG90tg5pAaYlFk/ From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Thu Jan 15 15:07:37 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Thu Jan 15 15:14:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 In-Reply-To: <3F0F66035973439BBC5454391E4CCAD1@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <583389.6760.qm@web96011.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Thanks Adrian The NSM juke is in as new condition and being a bit of a hoarder was loath to throw it out... will give the carriage a little lube and see what happens, I thought it might have been micro switch probs because sometimes the turntable motor doesnt reverse and the "B" side would play backwards. Kind Regards John --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > From: Juke of Shrewsbury > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:33 AM > Hi Tom, > Here in the UK, as others have said, NSM's are more > common. I have repaired > a few of them and generally found them to be OK once they > are going. I > actually quite like the Satellite. The schematics can be > obtained from > Stamann Musikboxen in Germany (They are in fact German made > machines). > Contact Oliver or Hildegard at stamann@jukebox-world.de > > John - the issue on your City 2 not playing B sides is > probably due to > gumming up of the pickup arm shifting mechanism. I have > seen this on various > NSM's a few times, it is cured by dismantling, cleaning > and re-assembling > the mechanism. I suspect it's our old enemy WD40 that > causes most of these > problems! > > Adrian. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:26 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with nsm satellite 200 > > > i am interested in purchasing a nsm satellite 200 jukebox > from a guy for > very cheap.? the box is not working properly though.? the > display works, the > backlight for the title strips works and the coin acceptor > works, but the > outside lights and the player do not work.? the guy said he > replaced a blown > fuse and the main control unit started smoking.? does > anyone know anything > about these or have any recommendations.? i know people > will say to run away > but this is really cheap and i want to give it a try.? > thanks, tom > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1895 - Release > Date: 15/01/2009 > 07:46 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 15 17:42:30 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Thu Jan 15 17:43:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp References: <225-496F7183-1445@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <001901c9777b$b3eb6100$6101a8c0@Dirksen> The manual does indeed show that the UMA-1 is mono and the UMA-2 is stereo. It appears the power supply connection is the same between the two, but you will need to change the volume control and it's plug, the input plug, and the speaker plug. There is a horn and crossover network in the mono machine, while the stereo version just shows two speakers. I have no idea of the physical layout of the stereo amp, so I would check first to see if the mono amp will bolt in place. The mono amp does sound great, so it will be worth it if you can make it work. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp > Thanks for all the info guys. Since I posted my question, another guy > e-mailed me and said the UMA-1 amp stands for United "Master" Amp , and > the "M" doesnt stand for mono, but stands for master. So, Roy, does > your book definately show it as a mono? Since the parts are so hard to > get for these machines I wonder if I could rig the output so that you > have sound going into both speakers , even though it wouldnt be true > stereo. At least I would have an amp for it then. I really wouldnt have > got this juke except for the fact that it was so cheap. Thanks, Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jhayes2613 at aol.com Thu Jan 15 17:53:27 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 15 18:00:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? In-Reply-To: <8CB44D8B5B0727E-828-1C35@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> References: <8CB44096C334D16-125C-C31@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> <8CB4459F77146D6-C70-254D@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com><8CB44BAE1315406-828-1146@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com><496E8C7C.6040104@west.net> <8CB44D8B5B0727E-828-1C35@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB45945C0AE3F4-1338-535@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> It has to be the motor. It sounds beyond sluggish for the first ten minutes then gradually gets better, but never great. I've take it apart and I guess will try cleaning it and reassembling, but I'm not sure if there's any one thing I'm looking for. -----Original Message----- From: jhayes2613@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? O-ring... are we talking hardware store or...? -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? jhayes2613@aol.com wrote:? > I let the turntable run its course for a couple of hours this evening. It is sounding about like it was now, with its slight wow. For the heck of it I installed a dirty idler wheel and got the worst results ever. Original wheel put back in, back to square one. I am letting the machine sit cold for awhile and start it up again. If it's about the same, I am sending the idler wheel out for new rubber. If it starts off terrible and gradually improves, it is time to shop around for a replacement motor.? ? Try popping the tire off of the dirty idler wheel and replacing it with a similar sized O-ring.? ? --? Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Thu Jan 15 18:09:35 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Thu Jan 15 18:10:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket Message-ID: <20090116020529.M8639@dwave.net> Hello All: I just finished uploading several photos and a movie I just made of my NSM Satellite 200 in action. While the video is not as impressive as some it does a great job showing the light organ working. http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite%20200/ I trimmed the movie to under 2 min and the song is Jan & Deans "Drag City". The movie is the first item in the album of 36 photos. Enjoy Jeremy Agema From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Thu Jan 15 18:55:28 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Thu Jan 15 18:56:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket In-Reply-To: <20090116020529.M8639@dwave.net> Message-ID: <794069.63626.qm@web96002.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Jeremy, Congrats on your NSM looks great have just watched the video, this model never made it down this way to NewZealand. The Prestige and City2 were the 45models then they went into the CD range. Cheers John --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > From: Jeremy Agema > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket > To: "Jukebox list" > Received: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 3:09 PM > Hello All: > > I just finished uploading several photos and a movie I just > made of my NSM > Satellite 200 in action. While the video is not as > impressive as some it > does a great job showing the light organ working. > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite%20200/ > > I trimmed the movie to under 2 min and the song is Jan > & Deans "Drag City". > > The movie is the first item in the album of 36 photos. > > Enjoy > > Jeremy Agema > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Thu Jan 15 19:02:39 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Thu Jan 15 19:03:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket In-Reply-To: <794069.63626.qm@web96002.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <20090116020529.M8639@dwave.net> <794069.63626.qm@web96002.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090116025920.M83616@dwave.net> Thanks John, I must admit before I purchased mine I had only seen them in brochure photos. Any one have any idea on how many Satellite 200 machines were made? Jeremy Agema On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:55:28 +1100 (EST), John Wilson wrote > Hi Jeremy, > Congrats on your NSM looks great have just watched the video, this > model never made it down this way to NewZealand. The Prestige and > City2 were the 45models then they went into the CD range. Cheers John > > --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > > From: Jeremy Agema > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket > > To: "Jukebox list" > > Received: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 3:09 PM > > Hello All: > > > > I just finished uploading several photos and a movie I just > > made of my NSM > > Satellite 200 in action. While the video is not as > > impressive as some it > > does a great job showing the light organ working. > > > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite% 20200/ > > > > I trimmed the movie to under 2 min and the song is Jan > > & Deans "Drag City". > > > > The movie is the first item in the album of 36 photos. > > > > Enjoy > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Thu Jan 15 19:09:03 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Thu Jan 15 19:10:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp Message-ID: <23294-496FFA4F-2902@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> Good info Jim, thanks, I will check on the physical dimensions too. Might be worth a try to make it work esp. if parts are hard to come by. I will surely have to get a book. Also, Ron your right about the "pinball machine" resemblance. Wierd mech with lots of relays and armatures, etc. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From Trollmasters at webtv.net Thu Jan 15 19:10:41 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Thu Jan 15 19:11:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1100 Message-ID: <23294-496FFAB1-2906@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> Anyone have any 1100 parts ? Im looking for a dome, upper arch plastics, and lower plastics in good shape. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From UFOskeptic at aol.com Thu Jan 15 19:45:29 2009 From: UFOskeptic at aol.com (UFOskeptic@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 15 19:50:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 15 Message-ID: I'm having trouble. All of your email addresses I tried came back "Forbidden". Please advise. Here is what I wanted to put on the Jukebox-list Digest. Thank you. John Subject: AMI "B" restoration. Hi everyone. If any of you can direct me to an AMI "B" that is a being parted out, I would appreciate it. I am looking for all 3 animation units, coin sorter, and the lower right fluted plastic. Thank you. John UFOskeptic@aol.com **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 20:05:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jan 15 20:06:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp In-Reply-To: <23294-496FFA4F-2902@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <803090.5340.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Word of advise--buy a gallon of 20 wt ND oil, and oil anything that moves, before you begin to play it. I worked for the?man who started "United". By the time that phono was ready for production, he had sold the company, and it had moved to Chicago,?however some of the guys that? worked with were original "United" employees, and I was told that the initial design was done here in San Fransicko--.. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 1/15/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 7:09 PM Good info Jim, thanks, I will check on the physical dimensions too. Might be worth a try to make it work esp. if parts are hard to come by. I will surely have to get a book. Also, Ron your right about the "pinball machine" resemblance. Wierd mech with lots of relays and armatures, etc. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Thu Jan 15 19:59:05 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 15 20:06:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83 TT motor In-Reply-To: <8CB45945C0AE3F4-1338-535@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB44096C334D16-125C-C31@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> <8CB4459F77146D6-C70-254D@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com><8CB44BAE1315406-828-1146@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com><496E8C7C.6040104@west.net><8CB44D8B5B0727E-828-1C35@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> <8CB45945C0AE3F4-1338-535@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB45A5E9283EE3-1338-B3E@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> Does anyone have a clean, TESTED one for sale? Thanks- j -----Original Message----- From: jhayes2613@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 7:53 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? It has to be the motor. It sounds beyond sluggish for the first ten minutes then gradually gets better, but never great. I've take it apart and I guess will try cleaning it and reassembling, but I'm not sure if there's any one thing I'm looking for. -----Original Message----- From: jhayes2613@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? O-ring... are we talking hardware store or...? -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? jhayes2613@aol.com wrote:? > I let the turntable run its course for a couple of hours this evening. It is sounding about like it was now, with its slight wow. For the heck of it I installed a dirty idler wheel and got the worst results ever. Original wheel put back in, back to square one. I am letting the machine sit cold for awhile and start it up again. If it's about the same, I am sending the idler wheel out for new rubber. If it starts off terrible and gradually improves, it is time to shop around for a replacement motor.? ? Try popping the tire off of the dirty idler wheel and replacing it with a similar sized O-ring.? ? --? Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 22:12:23 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Jan 15 22:13:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurli 2700 - 2710 schematic Message-ID: <006f01c977a1$68543980$38fcac80$@net> Does anyone have a digital copy of the functional schematic for a 2710. Having problems and need to try and trace it out. I would like to compare it to my 2800 schematic to see if they are similar. TIA Rich From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jan 15 22:30:56 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jan 15 22:34:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurli 2700 - 2710 schematic Message-ID: <20090116.013056.20988.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> The 2710 and 2810 (100 select models) schematics are similar. There are slight differences in the keyboard wiring. The 2800 schematic (a 200 select model) is considerably different electrically and mechanically, than the 100-play models. Difference is in the way a selection is registered. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Need to get rid of some stuff? Click now and let our liquidation experts help you out! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8b2L4Q47IQygkuJsojfez5DxBIpT6zT0rUJs6u88B0o5XkC/ From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Thu Jan 15 22:45:58 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Thu Jan 15 22:46:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI E 120 restoration photos posted on photo bucket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49702D26.9090101@sparksandarcs.net> It's a match. I have a D40 with a set of spare button banks, and an E120. The E got some of those spare buttons to fix the ones that had popped off over the years. I don't know what kind of glue they used, but it's lousy. About half of the E buttons had to be reattached because they'd "half-popped" off the shafts creating speed bumps in the button bank. You could almost select by Braille. The old glue had a sort of gummy consistency to it instead of being hard. Homer87015@aol.com wrote: > . Guys, On Ebay UK at the moment There`s a bank of buttons allegedly off a > "D model " but they look the same as the E and G models I`ve got.. Hope this > helps, Nige. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Thu Jan 15 22:49:13 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Thu Jan 15 22:49:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83: Am I ever a chump. NOW what??? In-Reply-To: <496EB17B.2040304@west.net> References: <8CB44096C334D16-125C-C31@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> <8CB4459F77146D6-C70-254D@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com><8CB44BAE1315406-828-1146@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> <496E8C7C.6040104@west.net> <8CB44D8B5B0727E-828-1C35@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> <496EB17B.2040304@west.net> Message-ID: <49702DE9.9030508@sparksandarcs.net> Careful of that o-ring trick. Not all o-rings are consistent in diameter or thickness throughout their circle. Some are better than others, but you may end up with a molding seam that goes "thump" or a thinner spot that does the same. Mike Jay Hennigan wrote: > jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: >> O-ring... are we talking hardware store or...? > > Good industrial type hardware store, auto parts store perhaps. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Thu Jan 15 23:00:26 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Thu Jan 15 23:01:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] surface rust....and stuff In-Reply-To: <000b01c97292$dc1316c0$94394440$@net> References: <000b01c97292$dc1316c0$94394440$@net> Message-ID: <4970308A.8050107@sparksandarcs.net> I restored a 2610 about 10 years ago that wouldn't select properly. I'm not sure which is the "1" solenoid, but if you have problems with the selector, replace the capacitors in the selector base box. I would get improper or random selections and found that when those caps go bad, they don't "hold" the solenoids that rotate the select ring for the right amount of time so that the "pop" solenoids can hit them. In that box you've got 5 rotation positions for the ring -- Full left, half left, no rotate, half right, and full right. There are four solenoids with two different lengths of levers to provide the rotation to the select ring. I hope I'm understanding your problem correctly as being in this part. If it's in the "pin pop" solenoids, then I'm afraid I'm clueless. That part always flummoxed me. Mike Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > The 2710 that I have been trying to bring back to life has been moderately > successful. It now at least plays a record. In fact plays all selections > except anything that uses the 1 selector. Goes through all the motion > except the solenoid popping the pin. Thought I had solved it when I noticed > the center tab of the little board that the selector key attaches to was > missing. Jim Alexander told me these selectors switch from series to > parallel or vice versa..when making a selection. I fabricated a tab and > attached it. Still no change..any 1 selection does not work. I swapped the > 1 for the 0 thinking the problem would move to the 0...no luck. SO, if any > one has any ideas.I am open..and open to possibly another selector mech if > one is available. Contact me offlist. > > > > Surface rust on the front of the juke.can it be easily removed.without > complete disassembly? It is not deep and steel wool might take it off, but > don't want to scratch the chrome. I can post pics if anyone wants.. > > > > As always...my sincere thanks.. > > > > I am off to play Army this weekend...we get to set up training stations for > the kids who have not shipped to basic yet...I think I get to do the M2.."ma > deuce" to you old timers..still a great .50cal crew serve weapon. > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From edinman at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 20:21:28 2009 From: edinman at earthlink.net (Ed Inman) Date: Fri Jan 16 02:16:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket Message-ID: <703152.1232079688233.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Wow--never thought I'd see one of those operating in 2009. You are either very lucky, extremely talented, or a little crazy (LOL). Regardless, congratulations. That is the exact NSM model I had. Gotta admit it was an enticing, unique looker for the period. The "light organ" was so cool. The patrons at the bar loved it when it worked. Ed -----Original Message----- >From: Jeremy Agema >Sent: Jan 15, 2009 10:02 PM >To: Jukebox mailing list >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket > >Thanks John, > >I must admit before I purchased mine I had only seen them in brochure photos. > >Any one have any idea on how many Satellite 200 machines were made? > >Jeremy Agema > > >On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:55:28 +1100 (EST), John Wilson wrote >> Hi Jeremy, >> Congrats on your NSM looks great have just watched the video, this >> model never made it down this way to NewZealand. The Prestige and >> City2 were the 45models then they went into the CD range. Cheers John >> >> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: >> >> > From: Jeremy Agema >> > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to >photobucket >> > To: "Jukebox list" >> > Received: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 3:09 PM >> > Hello All: >> > >> > I just finished uploading several photos and a movie I just >> > made of my NSM >> > Satellite 200 in action. While the video is not as >> > impressive as some it >> > does a great job showing the light organ working. >> > >> > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite% >20200/ >> > >> > I trimmed the movie to under 2 min and the song is Jan >> > & Deans "Drag City". >> > >> > The movie is the first item in the album of 36 photos. >> > >> > Enjoy >> > >> > Jeremy Agema >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Jan 16 04:02:53 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Jan 16 04:04:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket In-Reply-To: <703152.1232079688233.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <703152.1232079688233.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20090116115822.M43065@dwave.net> Thanks much John, I must admit that I am 1/2 lucky, 1/2 talented, and 3/4 CRAZY :) I really like your last line "they loved it... when it worked" That's classic. That will be a good story to tell when friends check out my juke. Jeremy Agema On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:21:28 -0500 (EST), Ed Inman wrote > Wow--never thought I'd see one of those operating in 2009. > You are either very lucky, extremely talented, or a little crazy > (LOL). Regardless, congratulations. That is the exact NSM model I > had. Gotta admit it was an enticing, unique looker for the period. > The "light organ" was so cool. The patrons at the bar loved it when > it worked. Ed > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Jeremy Agema > >Sent: Jan 15, 2009 10:02 PM > >To: Jukebox mailing list > >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket > > > >Thanks John, > > > >I must admit before I purchased mine I had only seen them in brochure photos. > > > >Any one have any idea on how many Satellite 200 machines were made? > > > >Jeremy Agema > > > > > >On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:55:28 +1100 (EST), John Wilson wrote > >> Hi Jeremy, > >> Congrats on your NSM looks great have just watched the video, this > >> model never made it down this way to NewZealand. The Prestige and > >> City2 were the 45models then they went into the CD range. Cheers John > >> > >> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > >> > >> > From: Jeremy Agema > >> > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to > >photobucket > >> > To: "Jukebox list" > >> > Received: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 3:09 PM > >> > Hello All: > >> > > >> > I just finished uploading several photos and a movie I just > >> > made of my NSM > >> > Satellite 200 in action. While the video is not as > >> > impressive as some it > >> > does a great job showing the light organ working. > >> > > >> > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite% > >20200/ > >> > > >> > I trimmed the movie to under 2 min and the song is Jan > >> > & Deans "Drag City". > >> > > >> > The movie is the first item in the album of 36 photos. > >> > > >> > Enjoy > >> > > >> > Jeremy Agema > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Jukebox-list mailing list > >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Jukebox-list mailing list > >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 04:42:04 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Fri Jan 16 04:43:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] PFANSTIEHL 51 Cartridge Message-ID: <177693.9901.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I wondered if anyone has been using the PFANSTIEHL 51 cartridges? How do they sound? Are they a practical replacement for the Astatic? Longevity? David (Geritol Ghetto) From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Jan 16 05:04:51 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Fri Jan 16 05:06:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]NSM What a great Job References: <20090116020529.M8639@dwave.net> Message-ID: <624F180801CA4AA3A4A8C5954040CAD7@home1903> Hi Jeremy, I am just getting back to my computer to read the list and that is a very cool Jukebox!! It's worth all the work when it plays it's first song...all clean and lit up. Congrats! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Agema" To: "Jukebox list" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket > Hello All: > > I just finished uploading several photos and a movie I just made of my NSM > Satellite 200 in action. While the video is not as impressive as some it > does a great job showing the light organ working. > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite%20200/ > > I trimmed the movie to under 2 min and the song is Jan & Deans "Drag > City". > > The movie is the first item in the album of 36 photos. > > Enjoy > > Jeremy Agema > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From zig at ampex.com Fri Jan 16 05:49:28 2009 From: zig at ampex.com (Kent Ziegenhorn) Date: Fri Jan 16 05:55:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg R Amp part help needed Message-ID: <49709068.2090809@ampex.com> While doing a cap kit on my MRA5-L6 amp I found L-1 bass choke open. Seeburg P/N 305106. Does anyone know a value for a replacement or a vendor for NOS? Thanks, Kent From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Jan 16 06:16:46 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Jan 16 06:17:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list]NSM What a great Job In-Reply-To: <624F180801CA4AA3A4A8C5954040CAD7@home1903> References: <20090116020529.M8639@dwave.net> <624F180801CA4AA3A4A8C5954040CAD7@home1903> Message-ID: <20090116141413.M80839@dwave.net> Thanks Jackie, It was a fun project. And it continues to be enjoyable to use. Jeremy Agema On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:04:51 -0500, etreble7 wrote > Hi Jeremy, > I am just getting back to my computer to read the list and that is a > very cool Jukebox!! It's worth all the work when it plays it's > first song...all clean and lit up. Congrats! Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Agema" > To: "Jukebox list" > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:09 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket > > > Hello All: > > > > I just finished uploading several photos and a movie I just made of my NSM > > Satellite 200 in action. While the video is not as impressive as some it > > does a great job showing the light organ working. > > > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite% 20200/ > > > > I trimmed the movie to under 2 min and the song is Jan & Deans "Drag > > City". > > > > The movie is the first item in the album of 36 photos. > > > > Enjoy > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From stamann at jukebox-world.de Fri Jan 16 07:05:19 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Fri Jan 16 07:08:33 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted tophotobucket Message-ID: Hello, from what I know NSM made about 3300 Satellites. When watching your great photos, Jeremy, I found the ID plate with the serial number. I hope you don't mind I added it to the serial number database. It seems yours is an early Satellite model as it is the first one listed now! If you want your data (name, email address) being public please let me know. http://www.jbw-forum.de/sdb/index.php?action=showmodel&id=3618 The round shape with the light organ makes this model an impressive one. Thanks for the video. Kind regards - Hildegard ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Stamann Musikboxen - Schafskamp 2 - D-27243 Klein Henstedt - www.jukebox-world.de - stamann@jukebox-world.de Tel: (++49) 04224/264, Fax: (++49) 04224-1348, Ust.Id: DE 249241577 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Jeremy Agema Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Januar 2009 07:16 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted tophotobucket Thanks John, I must admit before I purchased mine I had only seen them in brochure photos. Any one have any idea on how many Satellite 200 machines were made? Jeremy Agema On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:55:28 +1100 (EST), John Wilson wrote > Hi Jeremy, > Congrats on your NSM looks great have just watched the video, this > model never made it down this way to NewZealand. The Prestige and > City2 were the 45models then they went into the CD range. Cheers John > > --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > > From: Jeremy Agema > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket > > To: "Jukebox list" > > Received: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 3:09 PM Hello All: > > > > I just finished uploading several photos and a movie I just made of > > my NSM Satellite 200 in action. While the video is not as impressive > > as some it does a great job showing the light organ working. > > > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite% 20200/ > > > > I trimmed the movie to under 2 min and the song is Jan & Deans "Drag > > City". > > > > The movie is the first item in the album of 36 photos. > > > > Enjoy > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 16 08:14:23 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 16 08:16:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucke t Message-ID: <20090116.111423.29977.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Jeremy: Just saw your photos and video. You've done a great job documenting your experiences with this machine. Congratulations on getting all the machine functions to work properly. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on how to reduce your debt by filing for bankruptcy. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9xtPjIWCFcPKJOuEP7mQcgjUJuBBUXy99JjH6SwRVLPhuCS/ From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Jan 16 08:34:15 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Jan 16 08:35:26 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted tophotobucket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090116163210.M98936@dwave.net> Great info to have Hildegard. I guessed it could be a early one because of the several differenc collors used on the front plastics. Thanks for adding my info to the data base. Jeremy Agema On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:05:19 +0100, Stamann wrote > Hello, > > from what I know NSM made about 3300 Satellites. > > When watching your great photos, Jeremy, I found the ID plate with > the serial number. I hope you don't mind I added it to the serial > number database. It seems yours is an early Satellite model as it is > the first one listed now! If you want your data (name, email address) > being public please let me know. http://www.jbw-forum.de/sdb/index.php? action=showmodel&id=3618 > > The round shape with the light organ makes this model an impressive > one. Thanks for the video. > > Kind regards - Hildegard > _____________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________ > Stamann Musikboxen - Schafskamp 2 - D-27243 Klein Henstedt - > www.jukebox-world.de - stamann@jukebox-world.de Tel: (++49) > 04224/264, Fax: (++49) 04224-1348, Ust.Id: DE 249241577 > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list- > bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Jeremy Agema Gesendet: > Freitag, 16. Januar 2009 07:16 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: > [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted tophotobucket > > Thanks John, > > I must admit before I purchased mine I had only seen them in > brochure photos. > > Any one have any idea on how many Satellite 200 machines were made? > > Jeremy Agema > > On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:55:28 +1100 (EST), John Wilson wrote > > Hi Jeremy, > > Congrats on your NSM looks great have just watched the video, this > > model never made it down this way to NewZealand. The Prestige and > > City2 were the 45models then they went into the CD range. Cheers John > > > > --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > > > > From: Jeremy Agema > > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to > photobucket > > > To: "Jukebox list" > > > Received: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 3:09 PM Hello All: > > > > > > I just finished uploading several photos and a movie I just made of > > > my NSM Satellite 200 in action. While the video is not as impressive > > > as some it does a great job showing the light organ working. > > > > > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellite% > 20200/ > > > > > > I trimmed the movie to under 2 min and the song is Jan & Deans "Drag > > > City". > > > > > > The movie is the first item in the album of 36 photos. > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Jan 16 08:44:31 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Jan 16 08:45:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucke t In-Reply-To: <20090116.111423.29977.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090116.111423.29977.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20090116164025.M83757@dwave.net> Thanks for the support Jim, Hopefully the upgrading I did (caps and diodes) will keep it running for a long time. (knock on wood) Oddly it is the newest 45 rpm juke I own (1983?) but it has the oldest music (mostly 50's) it's just where they ended up, go figure :) Jeremy Agema On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:14:23 GMT, James Alexander wrote > Jeremy: > Just saw your photos and video. You've done a great job documenting > your experiences with this machine. Congratulations on getting all > the machine functions to work properly. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ > Click here for free information on how to reduce your debt by filing > for bankruptcy. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9xtPjIWCFcPKJOuEP7mQcgjU JuBBUXy99JjH6SwRVLPhuCS/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 16 08:46:04 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Fri Jan 16 08:47:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 61 mech mount rubber Message-ID: Looking for an outlet to obtain replacement rubber bushings for mounting the mechanism back in the restored 61 cabinet. I see Victory has them, but $80 for a complete set is a bit overboard. Does anyone have an outlet for these? Any info appreciated. There is a 61 on ebay right now currently fetching $2K. Guess I bought mine right for $500 bucks 2 years ago. I'll post some before / after photos soon if anyone is interested. Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 From Trollmasters at webtv.net Fri Jan 16 08:52:05 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Fri Jan 16 08:53:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp Message-ID: <227-4970BB35-1665@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net> Ron, You must be speaking of Raymond Loewy? United's wernt around for too long. I think he was into some type of other business too if I remember correctly. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From stamann at jukebox-world.de Fri Jan 16 08:53:36 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Fri Jan 16 08:56:58 2009 Subject: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video postedtophotobucket Message-ID: Thanks, Jeremy, I just did so. Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Jeremy Agema Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Januar 2009 17:45 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video postedtophotobucket Great info to have Hildegard. I guessed it could be a early one because of the several differenc collors used on the front plastics. Thanks for adding my info to the data base. Jeremy Agema On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:05:19 +0100, Stamann wrote > Hello, > > from what I know NSM made about 3300 Satellites. > > When watching your great photos, Jeremy, I found the ID plate with the > serial number. I hope you don't mind I added it to the serial number > database. It seems yours is an early Satellite model as it is the > first one listed now! If you want your data (name, email address) > being public please let me know. http://www.jbw-forum.de/sdb/index.php? action=showmodel&id=3618 > > The round shape with the light organ makes this model an impressive > one. Thanks for the video. > > Kind regards - Hildegard > _____________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________ > Stamann Musikboxen - Schafskamp 2 - D-27243 Klein Henstedt - > www.jukebox-world.de - stamann@jukebox-world.de Tel: (++49) > 04224/264, Fax: (++49) 04224-1348, Ust.Id: DE 249241577 > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list- > bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Jeremy Agema Gesendet: > Freitag, 16. Januar 2009 07:16 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: > [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted tophotobucket > > Thanks John, > > I must admit before I purchased mine I had only seen them in brochure > photos. > > Any one have any idea on how many Satellite 200 machines were made? > > Jeremy Agema > > On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:55:28 +1100 (EST), John Wilson wrote > > Hi Jeremy, > > Congrats on your NSM looks great have just watched the video, this > > model never made it down this way to NewZealand. The Prestige and > > City2 were the 45models then they went into the CD range. Cheers > > John > > > > --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > > > > From: Jeremy Agema > > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to > photobucket > > > To: "Jukebox list" > > > Received: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 3:09 PM Hello All: > > > > > > I just finished uploading several photos and a movie I just made > > > of my NSM Satellite 200 in action. While the video is not as > > > impressive as some it does a great job showing the light organ working. > > > > > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/NSM%20Satellit > > > e% > 20200/ > > > > > > I trimmed the movie to under 2 min and the song is Jan & Deans > > > "Drag City". > > > > > > The movie is the first item in the album of 36 photos. > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Jan 16 09:28:53 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Jan 16 09:30:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 61 mech mount rubber In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090116172150.M79478@dwave.net> Please do post some photos. I have four albums on photobucket.com -AMI 120E, NSM Satellite 200, Seeburg SMC1, and (added last night) Seeburg Sunstar STD3. http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/ Click the album you want on the LH side of the page. I am digging into my computer archives and adding more. Sounds like you got a great price on the 61 Jeremy Agema On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:46:04 -0500, rick murray wrote > Looking for an outlet to obtain replacement rubber bushings for > mounting the mechanism back in the restored 61 cabinet. I see > Victory has them, but $80 for a complete set is a bit overboard. > Does anyone have an outlet for these? Any info appreciated. There is > a 61 on ebay right now currently fetching $2K. Guess I bought mine > right for $500 bucks 2 years ago. I'll post some before / after > photos soon if anyone is interested. > > Thanks > > Rick > > _________________________________________________________________ [WINDOWS-1252?]> Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009____________________________________ ___________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 11:43:55 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Fri Jan 16 11:45:01 2009 Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] PFANSTIEHL 51 Cartridge Message-ID: <759865.18723.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rich, Thank You! I'll try a couple of them. David (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] PFANSTIEHL 51 Cartridge > To: dwaw12@yahoo.com > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:17 AM > David, > I have used a couple--worked great, hav had no complaints > about needing new needles--yet--(they are set for as light a > pressure as I could get)-- > Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, david wendell > wrote: > > From: david wendell > Subject: [Jukebox-list] PFANSTIEHL 51 Cartridge > To: "jukebox list" > > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 4:42 AM > > Hi, > > I wondered if anyone has been using the PFANSTIEHL 51 > cartridges? How do they > sound? Are they a practical replacement for the Astatic? > Longevity? > > David (Geritol Ghetto) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Foxypops28 at aol.com Fri Jan 16 12:31:39 2009 From: Foxypops28 at aol.com (Foxypops28@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 16 12:38:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1438 Message-ID: Does anyone have a 1438 so they can trace the left and right panels by the truntable? **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 16 13:43:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 16 13:46:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1438 Message-ID: <20090116.164346.9675.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> I have 1438 and 1446 (similar model) jukes in my shop for repair/restoration. I'm not quite sure of what you are asking for. Can you try again and/or contact me off the list? Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ You can take it with you! Click here for a luxurious new motor home and travel in style! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8JiJckuESq5yJKMsLY6tT9CAD9YoBdJ8Cn03Y0Qi0lHolvI/ From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Fri Jan 16 13:55:00 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Fri Jan 16 13:56:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors Message-ID: <4B0BAC9D1E634F2D897BAA0D48C50047@JUKEBUS> Can anyone tell me if the back doors from an AMI Lyric will fit a Continental? I know the finish is different and some of the fittings may be different, but is the basic wood door the same size and curvature? Thanks, Adrian. From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Fri Jan 16 14:20:47 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Fri Jan 16 14:22:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors References: <4B0BAC9D1E634F2D897BAA0D48C50047@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: G'day Adrian, I think the curvature is the same. The top is cut out for the neck on the Continental. You should be able to modify. I could supply dimensions for the cut out off my Continentals if you require.them. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juke of Shrewsbury" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors Can anyone tell me if the back doors from an AMI Lyric will fit a Continental? I know the finish is different and some of the fittings may be different, but is the basic wood door the same size and curvature? Thanks, Adrian. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From quality at rpa.net Fri Jan 16 14:11:44 2009 From: quality at rpa.net (jim schwarz) Date: Fri Jan 16 14:27:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1438 In-Reply-To: <20090116.164346.9675.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090116.164346.9675.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1023686315-1232143924-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1449141610-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> No, but I will. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "James Alexander" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:43:46 To: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1438 I have 1438 and 1446 (similar model) jukes in my shop for repair/restoration. I'm not quite sure of what you are asking for. Can you try again and/or contact me off the list? Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ You can take it with you! Click here for a luxurious new motor home and travel in style! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8JiJckuESq5yJKMsLY6tT9CAD9YoBdJ8Cn03Y0Qi0lHolvI/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 16 14:28:15 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 16 14:30:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors Message-ID: <20090116.172815.28996.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Adrian: These curved back doors are essentially the same. On the Continental models, there is a notch cut out to accomodate the title board neck. Hope this helps, JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You can take it with you! Click here for a luxurious new motor home and travel in style! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8JiJhgK9DgyiE00Pl8jZZ8PpBne5OFBRPmn7vEb06gw0nMq/ From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Fri Jan 16 14:34:48 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Fri Jan 16 14:36:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors References: <4B0BAC9D1E634F2D897BAA0D48C50047@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: Thanks Graeme, I have a pair of Continental doors so I could copy them, it's just that wood in them is very poor so I was looking for a replacement pair. All I can find are some off a Lyric. Regards, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Harvey" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors G'day Adrian, I think the curvature is the same. The top is cut out for the neck on the Continental. You should be able to modify. I could supply dimensions for the cut out off my Continentals if you require.them. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juke of Shrewsbury" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors Can anyone tell me if the back doors from an AMI Lyric will fit a Continental? I know the finish is different and some of the fittings may be different, but is the basic wood door the same size and curvature? Thanks, Adrian. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 16/01/2009 15:09 From jay at west.net Fri Jan 16 14:35:52 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jan 16 14:36:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors In-Reply-To: <4B0BAC9D1E634F2D897BAA0D48C50047@JUKEBUS> References: <4B0BAC9D1E634F2D897BAA0D48C50047@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <49710BC8.80509@west.net> Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > Can anyone tell me if the back doors from an AMI Lyric will fit a Continental? I know the finish is different and some of the fittings may be different, but is the basic wood door the same size and curvature? Yes, but you'll need to notch the inner top of them to allow clearance for the title board neck. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Fri Jan 16 14:43:56 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Fri Jan 16 14:45:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors References: <4B0BAC9D1E634F2D897BAA0D48C50047@JUKEBUS> <49710BC8.80509@west.net> Message-ID: <6C11D0F79809427698D1BF44E395590F@JUKEBUS> ..Thanks Jay, Graeme and James! Now all I have to do is figure out a way of shipping them from the US to the UK economically!! Any suggestions folks? Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > Can anyone tell me if the back doors from an AMI Lyric will fit a > Continental? I know the finish is different and some of the fittings may > be different, but is the basic wood door the same size and curvature? Yes, but you'll need to notch the inner top of them to allow clearance for the title board neck. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 16/01/2009 15:09 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 16 14:59:07 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 16 15:02:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucke t Message-ID: <20090116.175907.22434.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jeremy: As the operator of an independent service business, I've dumped on the NSM product line in this forum rather heavily. I have nothing against the quality of their product. Their technology and appearances are smartly engineered. Mechanically, their record changers look to be underdesigned for commercial duty service. The way that all tech parts and service support for NSM has dried up in the US makes it a real challenge to keep these machines going, especially if one has a finite amount of time and resources available. In general, I've stopped working on them. There seems to be more parts/service support for NSM in England and Europe. In the 80's,in the southeast US, a lot of new NSM products were purchased by vendors. Again, Congratulations on the success of your project. It was probably rather time-consuming. Taking the time to replace capacitors and diodes, especially in power supplies supporting a digitally-based CPU is a smart insurance policy. It would also be a good idea to power your satellite 200 through a good quality AC surge suppressor to protect sensitive computer circuits,if you're not doing that already. Good camera work on your website. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You can take it with you! Click here for a luxurious new motor home and travel in style! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8JiKBuuQErxJovtkN63NsCpkBymyc7nNh0zAXIv0099cSpI/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 16 15:10:30 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 16 15:13:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors Message-ID: <20090116.181030.22434.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: This could become an expensive undertaking, since most shipping companies charge by weight. Several years ago, I had a Continental 2. The curve-shaped doors were quite heavy because they were fiberglas-coated. Im sorry I can't offer any exact suggestions for shipping from the US to England. It is my understanding that there are shippers/brokers that specialize in expediting small international shipments,booking shared space with bigger carriers to reduce costs. I'd be interested to know what you find out. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You can take it with you! Click here for a luxurious new motor home and travel in style! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8JiJcoIqXqW8cuFxrDQ0o3qXwvusZhs1AwdEN00qPwWULca/ From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Jan 16 15:42:36 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Jan 16 15:44:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucke t In-Reply-To: <20090116.175907.22434.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090116.175907.22434.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20090116233117.M93560@dwave.net> Thanks again Jim, I enjoy hearing what operators and vendors (and everyone else) have to say. I knew I was in for a ride when I read that the ESIII was used in only two jukes due to reliability issues (satellite being one of them). I don't think you have dumped on the NSM brand - you gave excellent reasons and didn't resort to saying something like "they are all junk" (that would have been bashing). Question for you: I have had one person tell me that new NSM's were cheaper than other brands in the 80's. Was this true? Just curious. I appreciate all the groups opinions and I have learned so much by just lurking. In fact this summer I worked on my first wurly (3010). I had a few problems but I was able to use what I learned to the fullest and had a successful rebuild to get the machine playing again. Thanks for your contributions to the group Jeremy Agema On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:59:07 GMT, James Alexander wrote > Hello Jeremy: > As the operator of an independent service business, I've dumped on > the NSM product line in this forum rather heavily. I have nothing > against the quality of their product. Their technology and > appearances are smartly engineered. Mechanically, their record > changers look to be underdesigned for commercial duty service. The > way that all tech parts and service support for NSM has dried up in > the US makes it a real challenge to keep these machines going, > especially if one has a finite amount of time and resources > available. In general, I've stopped working on them. There seems to > be more parts/service support for NSM in England and Europe. In the > 80's,in the southeast US, a lot of new NSM products were purchased > by vendors. Again, Congratulations on the success of your project. > It was probably rather time-consuming. Taking the time to replace > capacitors and diodes, especially in power supplies supporting a > digitally-based CPU is a smart insurance policy. > It would also be a > good idea to power your satellite 200 through a good quality AC > surge suppressor to protect sensitive computer circuits,if you're > not doing that already. Good camera work on your website. Jim > Alexander ____________________________________________________________ > You can take it with you! Click here for a luxurious new motor home > and travel in style! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8JiKBuuQErxJovtkN63NsCpk Bymyc7nNh0zAXIv0099cSpI/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 15:56:31 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jan 16 15:57:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 61 mech mount rubber In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <966450.57961.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, Give them a call--that may be an error in price--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 1/16/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 61 mech mount rubber To: "jukebox list" Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 8:46 AM Looking for an outlet to obtain replacement rubber bushings for mounting the mechanism back in the restored 61 cabinet. I see Victory has them, but $80 for a complete set is a bit overboard. Does anyone have an outlet for these? Any info appreciated. There is a 61 on ebay right now currently fetching $2K. Guess I bought mine right for $500 bucks 2 years ago. I'll post some before / after photos soon if anyone is interested. Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 16:00:38 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Jan 16 16:01:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp In-Reply-To: <227-4970BB35-1665@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <716480.92712.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, I heard that he was the cabinet designer--never met him-- another guy designed the?operational portion, and they more or less "borrowed" the amp from another company-- "United Music" lasted about 4-5 years---UMC, however, lasted at least 10-15 till Williams took it over, and moved to the United plant.? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 1/16/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: [Jukebox-list] United Jukebox Amp To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 8:52 AM Ron, You must be speaking of Raymond Loewy? United's wernt around for too long. I think he was into some type of other business too if I remember correctly. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 17:13:36 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:14:39 2009 Subject: Fw: RE: RICH? [Jukebox-list] PFANSTIEHL 51 Cartridge Message-ID: <629898.36598.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Britt, I have been kicking the idea around of having the original cartridges rebuilt in my 1422's. I have Astatic 51's in now. Prior to the hum becomming a problem how did you like the sound of the original cartridge? Thank You! DAvid Wendell (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Britt Abbott wrote: > From: Britt Abbott > Subject: RE: RICH? [Jukebox-list] PFANSTIEHL 51 Cartridge > To: dwaw12@yahoo.com > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:28 PM > Rich, I had my original cartridge for Rockola 1428 rebuilt. > Shortly after re-installing it the juke developed a hum. The > filter caps/tubes are fine as I've checked them, even > substituting new. Can a defective cartridge cause a hum? I > thought about getting one of these P51 or I think they call > it a P52 replacement for the 1428.... what do you think? > > Britt > Chesapeake, VA > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 7:42 AM, david wendell wrote: > > > Hi, > > I wondered if anyone has been using the PFANSTIEHL 51 > cartridges?? How do they sound?? Are they a practical > replacement for the Astatic?? Longevity? > > David (Geritol Ghetto) > > ????? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ? > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > ? > From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 17:18:38 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:19:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <001001c97293$1a919fc0$4fb4df40$@net> References: <20090109155618.AE9AF20EFF5@blade202.lb.inty.net> <003d01c97274$c72bf790$5583e6b0$@force9.co.uk> <001001c97293$1a919fc0$4fb4df40$@net> Message-ID: <001101c97841$87c7dec0$97579c40$@net> At first I thought this was a great idea, I could get true 100 play of all A sides. As I started to sort them out, I decided this might not be a really good thing to do. I don't have a scale that will weigh 50 45RPM records, but am guessing in the neighborhood of 2 to 2.5 lbs. Double that and we are talking 5 lbs or so for the robotics motor to drive. I am not too sure it was designed to drive that much weight. Don't want to burn it out. I did double up on 8 records, and evenly spaced them around the carousel. Hopefully this will not put too much torque on the robotics motor. If anyone believes even this is too much, let me know and I will remove the doubles. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:47 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP That is an awesome idea....Who plays the B side anyways....I tried it on my 2710 and it works great. Now I get to remake all my title strips again...AND pick out 50 more hit tunes... Ron....I will heed your advice too... Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Pugh Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:10 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP If you're playing them on an upright playing Wurlitzer, you can put another record in the same slot so the B side will be the A side of the other record. I wouldn't really recommend it on any other mech type though, 'When love came to town' sounds fantastic on a jukebox. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dave.halford@telent.com Sent: 09 January 2009 15:56 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP I've got that one Nigel and :- WHEN LOVE CAME TO TOWN I STILL HAV'NT FOUND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR I just label the B's 33 1/3RPM to stop the missus playing them. regards Dave H "Nigel Pugh" k> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n etlojix.com 09/01/2009 15:43 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Yeah, 'With or without you' was one of them. It was mainly the singles from the Joshua Tree album. Some operator title cards were actually labelled 'No B Side', where the B side title would be. Others actually had the title so it could be selected and waste a punters money playing too fast. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dave.halford@telent.com Sent: 09 January 2009 09:10 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In the 80's just to be awkward U2 put out several singles that were 45 on the 'A' and 33 on the' B' in my opinion a dirty anti jukebox trick. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1883 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 8:38 AM From mbakula at tir.com Wed Jan 14 15:02:47 2009 From: mbakula at tir.com (Mark Bakula) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:20:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SCD-1 repair diary Message-ID: <9DCC13CBB6AE4553A6F0289EFC5C3CEB@Mark> Do you know who sells parts for the Sony CD player used in the Seeberg SCD-1? thanks mark From joswissmister at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 15 07:41:21 2009 From: joswissmister at sbcglobal.net (Jurg Oggenfuss) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:20:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model C Message-ID: <510802.67344.qm@web80703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello: I'm in the process of restoring an AMI model C and need some help with reassembly of the gears. I'm wondering if anyone would be able to send me some pics of their machine gears in? resting position so I can see how they fit together. I bought my machine with the gears disassembled. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, JJ Milwaukee, WI From normanwohl at aol.com Thu Jan 15 08:11:08 2009 From: normanwohl at aol.com (normanwohl@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:20:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1438 panels Message-ID: <143864756-1232035750-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1169333859-@bxe306.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Does anyone have the right and left mech panels for sale? If not can someone trace them so I can make my own from masonite Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From mcole01 at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 16:05:16 2009 From: mcole01 at comcast.net (Michael Cole) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:20:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 750 restoration Message-ID: Hello, I'm new to the group. I'm in the process of restoring a basket case W750. I had to rebuild much of the base and by accident I threw out the paper template I made to mark out the positions of the parts that are screwed to the base. Now I'm in trouble because I don't know how far from the back edge of the base to position the two blocks on which the amp sits and I don't know the distance between these blocks. The other problem is positioning the two small metal plates that have a slot in them. I don't know how far they're set back and the position of them along the back edge of the base. I wonder whether there's a list member who has a W750 and would help me with the locations? Thank you, Mike From jay at west.net Fri Jan 16 17:36:08 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:37:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP In-Reply-To: <001101c97841$87c7dec0$97579c40$@net> References: <20090109155618.AE9AF20EFF5@blade202.lb.inty.net> <003d01c97274$c72bf790$5583e6b0$@force9.co.uk> <001001c97293$1a919fc0$4fb4df40$@net> <001101c97841$87c7dec0$97579c40$@net> Message-ID: <49713608.2020107@west.net> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > At first I thought this was a great idea, I could get true 100 play of all > A sides. As I started to sort them out, I decided this might not be a > really good thing to do. I don't have a scale that will weigh 50 45RPM > records, but am guessing in the neighborhood of 2 to 2.5 lbs. Double that > and we are talking 5 lbs or so for the robotics motor to drive. I am not > too sure it was designed to drive that much weight. Don't want to burn it > out. > > I did double up on 8 records, and evenly spaced them around the carousel. > Hopefully this will not put too much torque on the robotics motor. > > If anyone believes even this is too much, let me know and I will remove the > doubles. I don't think it's that significant. The weight of the carousel assembly itself is significant. Quite a few of the oldies repro records are two-sided hits so you probably won't be doubling up on all of them. The motor only runs between selections. With more hits on the B sides the right hand transfer arm will get even wear and on average the carousel won't rotate as far between selections. Jukeboxes were built to run for several hours a day, every day on location. Home use will be a lot less. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From goldenflash60 at aol.com Fri Jan 16 17:37:25 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:44:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm satellite needs a fixin' Message-ID: <8CB465B48E60FBA-1198-1FBB@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> this is an update from my last email.? i picked up my satellite today and checked it out.? the guy i got it from said he replaced a fuse and the credit and control box started smoking.? well, i found out what was smoking.? there was a diode i think, wire with colorful peanut on it???, and a small rectangular thin black box??? on the top left that was burnt up.? does anyone know why this would have burnt up or if i can replace these parts?? something, anything would help, i think i need to go to rehab for nsm junkies!!! From goldenflash60 at aol.com Fri Jan 16 17:33:45 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:45:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] hit e120 not working Message-ID: <8CB465AC58E51D2-1198-1F96@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> i have a hit 120 that needs some serious help.? when i power it on the lights work but nothing else.? the credit display says zero but after a few seconds it tuns to an L then maybe C and then dims and goes out.? the main board on the left did not have any of the led lights lit up until i fooled with the credit and control box.? if i unplug it the led's come on but if i plug the credit and control unit back in they go out.? u played with the wiring and now they saty on with the box plugged in.? any help out there would be appreciated.? AND NO ONE TELL ME TO RUN AWAY FROM THIS BOX, I HAPPEN TO LIKE THE PAIN OF NSM JUKEBOXES AND WANT TO FIX IT.? thanks, tom From mcole01 at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 17:45:59 2009 From: mcole01 at comcast.net (Michael Cole) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:47:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlizer 750 restoration Message-ID: <759651649F294B2DA3AA97A6B55D0F52@georgeto04b419> Hello, I'm new to the group. I'm in the process of restoring a basket case W750. I had to rebuild much of the base and by accident I threw out the paper template I made to mark out the positions of the parts that are screwed to the base. Now I'm in trouble because I don't know how far from the back edge of the base to position the two blocks on which the amp sits and I don't know the distance between these blocks. The other problem is positioning the two small metal plates that have a slot in them. I don't know how far they're set back and the position of them along the back edge of the base. I wonder whether there's a list member who has a W750 and would help me with the locations? Thank you, Mike From jay at west.net Fri Jan 16 17:53:05 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:54:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm satellite needs a fixin' In-Reply-To: <8CB465B48E60FBA-1198-1FBB@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB465B48E60FBA-1198-1FBB@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49713A01.5080602@west.net> goldenflash60@aol.com wrote: > this is an update from my last email.? i picked up my satellite today and checked it out.? the guy i got it from said he replaced a fuse and the credit and control box started smoking.? well, i found out what was smoking.? there was a diode i think, wire with colorful peanut on it???, and a small rectangular thin black box??? on the top left that was burnt up.? does anyone know why this would have burnt up or if i can replace these parts?? something, anything would help, i think i need to go to rehab for nsm junkies!!! Take some pictures of the board and the damaged parts, post a link. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Fri Jan 16 18:01:00 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Jan 16 18:00:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm satellite needs a fixin' In-Reply-To: <8CB465B48E60FBA-1198-1FBB@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB465B48E60FBA-1198-1FBB@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49713BDC.7080701@west.net> goldenflash60@aol.com wrote: > this is an update from my last email.? i picked up my satellite today and checked it out.? the guy i got it from said he replaced a fuse and the credit and control box started smoking.? well, i found out what was smoking.? there was a diode i think, wire with colorful peanut on it???, and a small rectangular thin black box??? on the top left that was burnt up.? does anyone know why this would have burnt up or if i can replace these parts?? something, anything would help, i think i need to go to rehab for nsm junkies!!! Wire with a colorful peanut (probably actually or originally two wires) sounds like a tantalum capacitor. These can fail spectacularly, and they usually fail shorted. Rectangular thin black box could be a bridge rectifier, especially if it has four wires. One corner chamfered? Capacitor probably shorted which took out the rectifier, then the fuse, which saved the transformer. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Jan 16 18:04:21 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Jan 16 18:05:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm satellite needs a fixin' In-Reply-To: <8CB465B48E60FBA-1198-1FBB@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB465B48E60FBA-1198-1FBB@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20090117020016.M80769@dwave.net> I just replied to your private email Tom, Jay's suggestion is a fine one (post a link to some photos). I have the full schematics plus some photos of the bad computer I fixed. Glad to help with this on the forum as well. The more minds the better. Jeremy Agema On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:37:25 -0500, goldenflash60 wrote > this is an update from my last email.? i picked up my satellite > today and checked it out.? the guy i got it from said he replaced a > fuse and the credit and control box started smoking.? well, i found > out what was smoking.? there was a diode i think, wire with colorful > peanut on it???, and a small rectangular thin black box??? on the > top left that was burnt up.? does anyone know why this would have > burnt up or if i can replace these parts?? something, anything would > help, i think i need to go to rehab for nsm junkies!!! _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From joswissmister at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 16 18:40:57 2009 From: joswissmister at sbcglobal.net (Jurg Oggenfuss) Date: Fri Jan 16 18:41:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model C 500 Message-ID: <73817.18272.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello: I'm in the process of rebuilding an AMI model C and am having trouble putting the gears back together. When I purchased this machine (it was in miserable shape) it was partially disassembled.? I'm wondering if someone could send me some pictures of the C gears in resting position, i.e. when the machine is either playing a selection or is off. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks. Regards, Jurg (Yerg) Milwaukee, WI USA From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 19:40:43 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Jan 16 19:41:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model C 500 In-Reply-To: <73817.18272.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <726297.23094.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Jurg Oggenfuss wrote: > I'm wondering if someone could > send me some pictures of the C gears in resting position, > i.e. when the machine is either playing a selection or is > off. Are you talking about the gears of the transfer arm? Obviously, they're in different positions when in the scan or play mode. From goldenflash60 at aol.com Fri Jan 16 19:58:03 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 16 20:05:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm satellite needs a fixin' In-Reply-To: <49713BDC.7080701@west.net> References: <8CB465B48E60FBA-1198-1FBB@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> <49713BDC.7080701@west.net> Message-ID: <8CB466EEE489612-1198-2421@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> yes exactly, i will send you some pics on an email, thanks, tom -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 8:01 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] nsm satellite needs a fixin' goldenflash60@aol.com wrote:? > this is an update from my last email.? i picked up my satellite today and checked it out.? the guy i got it from said he replaced a fuse and the credit and control box started smoking.? well, i found out what was smoking.? there was a diode i think, wire with colorful peanut on it???, and a small rectangular thin black box??? on the top left that was burnt up.? does anyone know why this would have burnt up or if i can replace these parts?? something, anything would help, i think i need to go to rehab for nsm junkies!!!? ? Wire with a colorful peanut (probably actually or originally two wires) sounds like a tantalum capacitor. These can fail spectacularly, and they usually fail shorted. Rectangular thin black box could be a bridge rectifier, especially if it has four wires. One corner chamfered?? ? Capacitor probably shorted which took out the rectifier, then the fuse, which saved the transformer.? ? --? Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Fri Jan 16 19:13:35 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Fri Jan 16 20:15:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlizer 750 restoration Message-ID: <9A469858D6C545C8988F08DCA901FD78@VistaServer> Hi Mike! Welcome to the list! I am currently restoring a 750. What photo's do you need??? Mel From pinball at telus.net Fri Jan 16 20:28:43 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Jan 16 20:29:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model C 500 In-Reply-To: <73817.18272.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <73817.18272.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49715E7B.1070102@telus.net> Jurg Oggenfuss wrote: > Hello: > I'm in the process of rebuilding an AMI model C and am having trouble putting the gears back together. When I purchased this machine (it was in miserable shape) it was partially disassembled. I'm wondering if someone could send me some pictures of the C gears in resting position, i.e. when the machine is either playing a selection or is off. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks. > > Regards, > Jurg (Yerg) > Milwaukee, WI > USA > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Hi Jurg, Resetting the gripper arm gears is not too difficult if you 1st remove the motor. Now you can turn the gears with the large gear. Rest position for the assembly is with the gripper arm over the magazine, with the spring loaded record clamp fully released and the cam switch arm pressed firmly against the rear cam switches. Now by turning the large gear (clockwise - by hand only!) the cam switch arms should start moving away from the first set of blade switches and the record clamp and gripper bow should move in together to capture the record by squeezing it between the clamp and the gripper bow. Next the arm starts to lift up the record and it rotates to the left or right depending on which way the side1/2 solenoids have toggled. As you continue to turn the gear the arm settles down over the platter and then the gripper and clamp both move away from the record so that it can spin freely while at the same time the cam switch arm is now pressed against the second switch group to cancel the selection side pin, trip the reverse latch, and de-mute the amplifier. At least that is what I recall the process as being. Of course memory plays the odd trick and I am not looking at a machine, but this is the general way the system works. I have just recently completed taking pictures of the take-down process for both AMI and Rockola gripper arms and will be putting them up on flippers in the jukebox service area in the next week or so with some text. Based on your question I think it might be best for us to make a short .mov of the action of the gripper arm for a bit more clarity for those who have not seen one working properly. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Fri Jan 16 21:04:24 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Fri Jan 16 21:05:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors References: <20090116.181030.22434.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I shipped a pair of Continental doors to Australia (Surface Mail) before the USPS made it mandatory that all International post go airmail. I had to send them in two boxs to meet weight limits. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors Gentlemen: This could become an expensive undertaking, since most shipping companies charge by weight. Several years ago, I had a Continental 2. The curve-shaped doors were quite heavy because they were fiberglas-coated. Im sorry I can't offer any exact suggestions for shipping from the US to England. It is my understanding that there are shippers/brokers that specialize in expediting small international shipments,booking shared space with bigger carriers to reduce costs. I'd be interested to know what you find out. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You can take it with you! Click here for a luxurious new motor home and travel in style! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8JiJcoIqXqW8cuFxrDQ0o3qXwvusZhs1AwdEN00qPwWULca/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 16 22:38:31 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 16 22:40:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucke t Message-ID: <20090117.013831.12454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> I'm under the impression that the late 70's-early 80's NSM jukes were priced below competitive Seeburgs, Rowes and RockOla's of the time in order to captivate the attention of the vending operators. In the Georgia-Florida areas, there were a lot of NSM Prestige 160's,the model before (Serenade?) and City models in circulation. By the mid 80's CD jukes were displacing the vinyl models in comm'l locations, and getting parts/service for NSM started to be a struggle then. Deutsche-Wurlitzer had distributors in the area, but there were not a lot of their machines in comm'l use. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You can take it with you! Click here for a luxurious new motor home and travel in style! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8JiJ9KPi8MZmR5vuaRvj2tcoqhY9L5Z5vjjxuDJWyzp4AbU/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 16 22:48:21 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 16 22:51:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] single vs. LP Message-ID: <20090117.014821.12454.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> An extra 3 to 4 lbs. worth of records should not be a problem. The same motor drive system is used for the 200-select models (100 records) with no problem. The problem you might face putting two records in each slot is whether they (with the extra thickness) will clamp onto the turntable dependably. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Make your next meeting unforgettable. Click now for professional meeting planning! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9I0ZKejGwRN4kb0MNnw9J9BkgC1sg1RvxSGLb3njhMHHhKm/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 16 22:54:41 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 16 22:56:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors Message-ID: <20090117.015441.12454.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> I believe that UPS will ship direct from the US to the UK, but that their packages have strict size and weight limits. What i was referring to in my earlier email is that there are shipping companies that will broker "space" on cargo ships for bulky, heavy packages. This will get you a lower international shipping cost, but the transit time takes longer. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Make your next meeting unforgettable. Click now for professional meeting planning! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9I0Z1nHnWtpZ6OfJxO2EGDE8sNpLNKW8IkfuS00fEGocEM2/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 16 23:02:42 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 16 23:04:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1438 panels Message-ID: <20090117.020242.12454.3@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Are you referring to the 2 red plastic dress panels that cover the mechanism, left and right of the turntable?. I have a set of these that I don't want to sell, but I'll be glad to make a paper template (they have curved cutouts--hard to state measurements here) and mail it to you so you can make masonite replacements. I've done this with other RocK Ola Comets--thick will work out well for you. JIm Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Make your next meeting unforgettable. Click now for professional meeting planning! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9I0ZBGT7ZGoU6e11VGUeTgtvbpLlHof8bkWWTDCsuPP4MbE/ From grahamricho at hotmail.com Sat Jan 17 01:11:13 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Sat Jan 17 01:12:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental back doors Message-ID: Hi www.Jukeboxparts.co.uk had a set a while ago, they are not on there website anymore but may be worth a ring. From bobe at halted.com Sat Jan 17 10:45:37 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Sat Jan 17 11:13:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors In-Reply-To: <20090117.015441.12454.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090117.015441.12454.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <49722751.7000800@halted.com> James Alexander wrote: > > I believe that UPS will ship direct from the US to the UK, but that their packages have strict size and weight limits. What i was referring to in my earlier email is that there are shipping companies that will broker "space" on cargo ships for bulky, heavy packages. This will get you a lower international shipping cost, but the transit time takes longer. > Look in the Yellow Pages (or these days, I suppose you would use Google...) for "freight consolidators" in your area. They take small loads from crate-size to pallet-size to LTL (Less-than-truckload) and consolidate shipments from various clients to particular destinations. I have used them before to ship boxes and crates to Japan, and the rates were very reasonable if you weren't in too great a hurry. Depending on how much traffic is going to your destination country, this could take a while, or not long at all. My customer had to go to the airport and pay customs duty and pick up his goods. --Bob From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jan 17 13:13:33 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sat Jan 17 13:14:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors References: <20090117.015441.12454.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <842F139707DD4669BE82338228F742B5@JUKEBUS> Thanks guys, I have previously shipped complete jukeboxes using a consolidation service and this works OK - but generally they require the freight to be crated. The one time I tried to include a number of boxed items some of the stuff (including glass!) got broken. Also for small shipments you run into a lot of "minimum charge" items and it all mounts up. I just checked the price on-line for UPS.... they would want about $578 on the "economy" service to ship a pair of these doors! DHL is a bit less, but they have the same size limits as the USPS. USPS, provided they can be packaged within the size limits, would be about $127. International shipping is never cheap! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: ; Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental / Lyric Back doors I believe that UPS will ship direct from the US to the UK, but that their packages have strict size and weight limits. What i was referring to in my earlier email is that there are shipping companies that will broker "space" on cargo ships for bulky, heavy packages. This will get you a lower international shipping cost, but the transit time takes longer. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Make your next meeting unforgettable. Click now for professional meeting planning! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9I0Z1nHnWtpZ6OfJxO2EGDE8sNpLNKW8IkfuS00fEGocEM2/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1899 - Release Date: 17/01/2009 17:50 From goldenflash60 at aol.com Sat Jan 17 19:17:03 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 17 19:24:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM HIT E120 QUESTION Message-ID: <8CB47325E6B864D-C7C-B65@WEBMAIL-MY27.sysops.aol.com> I NEED SOME SERVICE HELP!!!? MY HIT 120 WONT PLAY BUT THE LIGHTS COME ON.? THE LED ON THE MAIN BOARD IS LIT UP BUT WHEN YOU PLUG THE CREDIT AND CONTROL BOARD IN IT DIMS.? THE CREDIT DISPLAY SAYS 0, BUT AFTER A FEW SECONDS IT CHANGES TO A "C" OR SOMETIMES "L" AND THEN DIMS AND GOES OUT.? RIGHT BEFORE IT GOES OUT THE RELAY ON THE MAIN BOARD CLICKS.? IF YOU HIT THE SCAN BUTTON ON THE MAIN BOARD THE RELAYS DO NOTHING BUT AS SOON AS THE DISPLAY GOES OUT AND THE RELAY CLICKS, EVERYTIME YOU HIT THE SCAN BUTTON THE RELAY CLICKS.? ALL OF THE FUSES LOOK GOOD AND BOTH THE MAIN AND CRED AND CONTROL BOARDS "LOOK" GOOD.? ANY IDEAS.??? ALSO, WHAT IS THE ROD UNDER THE CARRIAGE UNIT FOR???? THANKS, TOM From jay at west.net Sat Jan 17 21:13:59 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Jan 17 21:14:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm satellite needs a fixin' Message-ID: <4972BA97.6070702@west.net> goldenflash60@aol.com wrote: > this is an update from my last email.? i picked up my satellite today and checked it out.? the guy i got it from said he replaced a fuse and the credit and control box started smoking.? well, i found out what was smoking.? there was a diode i think, wire with colorful peanut on it???, and a small rectangular thin black box??? on the top left that was burnt up.? does anyone know why this would have burnt up or if i can replace these parts?? something, anything would help, i think i need to go to rehab for nsm junkies!!! OK, the visibly damaged parts are a 1/4 watt resistor and a TI integrated circuit, possibly a TTL type as a portion of the part number SN7??? is visible. A schematic or an identical unit for visual comparison will definitely be needed to ID the parts, burned beyond recognition. But, it is likely that other parts are damaged although not visibly so, and there may be an external fault that will damage a repaired control unit once installed. Tracing the connections to the damaged parts and some preliminary troubleshooting will be in order. It looks like it is possible to interchange the plugs to the lower two connectors in picture 2, and doing so will likely cause damage. The proximity of the parts on the board to the connectors suggest that something off-board may be the cause of the trouble. I've never worked on any NSM juke, so this is speculation based on general troubleshooting experience. Pictures (from goldenflash60): http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/nsm-cpu1.jpg http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/nsm-cpu2.jpg http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/nsm-cpu3.jpg http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/nsm-cpu5.jpg -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Jan 17 22:29:16 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Jan 17 22:30:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Capacitor Message-ID: <002301c97936$19639000$4c2ab000$@net> I want to replace the x-over cap on the 3.5" PM speaker on the 2710. The current cap read 2 MFD 25 VPN HW. I assume that means 2 micro farad and 25 volts. Looking at Radio Shack website, the closest 3 choices I can come up with is a 2.2 uf 50V nonpolorized 9000hz axial lead cap, a 4.7uf 35V Axial-Lead Electrolytic Cap, or a 4.7uf 35v Electrolytic that is radial lead. Does it matter if it is radial or axial lead. I think axial will be easier to solder in place as it is a direct replacement. Can anyone tell me if any of these will work, or do I need to locate an exact replacement? I am not sure what the HW means, or if it is important. Thanks again. Rich From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Sat Jan 17 22:58:15 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Sat Jan 17 22:59:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC2 tonearm wiring/motor mounts In-Reply-To: <002301c97936$19639000$4c2ab000$@net> References: <002301c97936$19639000$4c2ab000$@net> Message-ID: <4972D307.2050706@sparksandarcs.net> Okay, it turns out that my SMC2 SternBurg is a bit of a problem child. Physically it's in excellent shape but electrically oh boy does it make up for it. I had what I thought was a weak channel with no treble and barely any bass. Turns out there's a wiring problem that I traced to the green wire as it comes out of the tonearm. What tripped me up was that the amplifier has some sort of channel blending (is it supposed to do that??) intermixing the two sides. As I pulled the cartridge out, unfortunately the mount came with it, pulling off three of the wires in the process. Grrrrr....... I can't seem to get enough slack in the tonearm wiring to be able to resolder the broken connections. I think I'm forced to remove the tonearm. I'm having a heck of a time figuring out what exactly it'll take to do this. I've got the service book for an older Seeburg (161), but I'm not sure whether the two mechanisms are even related enough to get away with following the older book. Dare I try it? I'm practically on the verge of cheating and just extending the tonearm wires a couple of inches and stuffing the extra along the tonearm length! How much trouble am I in for? At this point I'm still unsure if it was a break in the green wire somewhere along the way or simply a bad solder joint at the cartridge mount. Second issue is some horribly gooey motor mounts. Both of the rubber donuts have turned to mush, creating some serious humming in the output (before the tonearm wiring broke of course). How hard is it to get good mounts? I'm assuming that anything NOS or anything less than recent production would be hard as a rock or gooey as the old ones. What's the consensus on motor mount sources and lifespan? Yes, the motor coupling block is shot too. Hard as a rock and cracking a bit. When it rains it pours...... Thanks! Mike Carmack From jay at west.net Sat Jan 17 23:12:49 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Jan 17 23:13:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Capacitor In-Reply-To: <002301c97936$19639000$4c2ab000$@net> References: <002301c97936$19639000$4c2ab000$@net> Message-ID: <4972D671.4070608@west.net> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > I want to replace the x-over cap on the 3.5" PM speaker on the 2710. The > current cap read 2 MFD 25 VPN HW. I assume that means 2 micro farad and 25 > volts. Looking at Radio Shack website, the closest 3 choices I can come up > with is a 2.2 uf 50V nonpolorized 9000hz axial lead cap, a 4.7uf 35V > Axial-Lead Electrolytic Cap, or a 4.7uf 35v Electrolytic that is radial > lead. Does it matter if it is radial or axial lead. I think axial will be > easier to solder in place as it is a direct replacement. > > Can anyone tell me if any of these will work, or do I need to locate an > exact replacement? I am not sure what the HW means, or if it is important. Crossover capacitors should be non-polarized. A film capacitor is a better choice than electrolytic in terms of stability and sonic quality. Film capacitors are inherently non-polar, electrolytics are not. 2.2 is probably close enough but crossover caps are part of a tuned circuit so an exact value would be better. Radio Shack's parts selection is pretty minimal. Any voltage equal to or greater than the original will be fine. A decent choice from Mouser here, $1.18 each: http://mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=23ME520 Similar from Parts Express, $1.48 each: http://www.parts-express.com//pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=027-414 -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jan 17 23:12:43 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jan 17 23:15:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Capacitor Message-ID: <20090118.021243.10614.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Rich: Tried returning your phone call at about 8 PM Sat 1/17. I think you left the wrong phone number on my recorder. Tried calling you at 816 318 0898. got the wrong person. Later this evening, I retreived your phone number out of my call screener, saw that your number is 816 318 0898. I'll try again Sunday afternoon. The 2 mfd cap value is critical. Of the two cap choices you listed, the 2.2 mfd at 50 volts non polarized is the closest to correct. The original value needed is 2 Mfd at 25 volts non polarized. The voltage rating of the cap can be higher. You should not use electrolytic (polarized, with plus and minus terminals)caps in speaker-line circuits. The new cap will be physically smaller than the old paper type that you're replacing---not a concern. Axial leads means one wire exiting each end of the cap body. (think of a firecracker) Radial leads means both wires exit one end (for printed ckt board mounting). Either will work electrically. You probably wont find this cap at a Radio Shack, though it is a common, inexpensive value. You'll probably need to go to a "real" electronics parts supply house in your area. If you're going to order online, try Parts Express for this item. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Domain Registration - Click Here http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9Smz3hHnb4LBulNDjBGSW0mTao1s94YpGQAGaoguslhraZA/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Jan 18 01:51:16 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Jan 18 01:52:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Impedence of 1970's 100 selection Seeburgs ? In-Reply-To: <865816.55267.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <003d01c97274$c72bf790$5583e6b0$@force9.co.uk> <865816.55267.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c97952$4e3a69e0$eaaf3da0$@force9.co.uk> Does anyone know the impedance of the 12" bass speakers in the 1970s 100 selection Seeburgs (Seeburg Topaz I'm thinking of) ? Want to pop one in my Continental to try it, but only if its around 12/16 ohm. Thanks Nigel, UK From stamann at jukebox-world.de Sun Jan 18 02:42:41 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Sun Jan 18 02:44:19 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket Message-ID: Just for everybody who is interested in the different models NSM made: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/NSM/NSM-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm Unfortuantely they named their Jukeboxes often Consul, Prestige and Festival. So just the name does not refer to a year resp. technic inside. In the Sixties they did built a jukebox called "Serenade" - but they called the type of mechanism the same from this time. But if one looks checks the manuals they invented this mech with the 1961 model "Fanfare Silber". They used this type of mech up until 1969 in all 100 (Serenade, Consul 100, Minibox, Letkiss 100) and 128 selection jukeboxes (Letkiss 130, Hit 130, Festival 130, Consul 130, Hit 130D, festival 130D, Consul 130D). Also in Germany NSM jukeboxes - like German Wurlitzer ones - had been cheaper than US brands. One reason for sure had been the cost to import a jukebox from US (freight, import tax, duty, fees). So one thinks a NSM jukebox couldn't have been cheaper in US than a US model because they also needed to be imported - but if NSM wanted to get into the market - who knows .... Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von James Alexander Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Januar 2009 10:01 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket I'm under the impression that the late 70's-early 80's NSM jukes were priced below competitive Seeburgs, Rowes and RockOla's of the time in order to captivate the attention of the vending operators. In the Georgia-Florida areas, there were a lot of NSM Prestige 160's,the model before (Serenade?) and City models in circulation. By the mid 80's CD jukes were displacing the vinyl models in comm'l locations, and getting parts/service for NSM started to be a struggle then. Deutsche-Wurlitzer had distributors in the area, but there were not a lot of their machines in comm'l use. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You can take it with you! Click here for a luxurious new motor home and travel in style! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8JiJ9KPi8MZmR5vuaRvj2tcoqhY9L5Z5vjjxuDJWyzp4AbU/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Jan 18 05:11:05 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sun Jan 18 05:12:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Capacitor In-Reply-To: <20090118.021243.10614.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090118.021243.10614.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <003501c9796e$392a80a0$ab7f81e0$@net> Thanks Jay and Jim for the info on my cap issue. Jim, I have sent you my corrected phone number in another email. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:13 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Capacitor Rich: Tried returning your phone call at about 8 PM Sat 1/17. I think you left the wrong phone number on my recorder. Tried calling you at 816 318 0898. got the wrong person. Later this evening, I retreived your phone number out of my call screener, saw that your number is 816 318 0898. I'll try again Sunday afternoon. The 2 mfd cap value is critical. Of the two cap choices you listed, the 2.2 mfd at 50 volts non polarized is the closest to correct. The original value needed is 2 Mfd at 25 volts non polarized. The voltage rating of the cap can be higher. You should not use electrolytic (polarized, with plus and minus terminals)caps in speaker-line circuits. The new cap will be physically smaller than the old paper type that you're replacing---not a concern. Axial leads means one wire exiting each end of the cap body. (think of a firecracker) Radial leads means both wires exit one end (for printed ckt board mounting). Either will work electrically. You probably wont find this cap at a Radio Shack, though it is a common, inexpensive value. You'll probably need to go to a "real" electronics parts supply house in your area. If you're going to order online, try Parts Express for this item. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Domain Registration - Click Here http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9Smz3hHnb4LBulNDjBGSW0m Tao1s94YpGQAGaoguslhraZA/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1896 - Release Date: 1/17/2009 5:50 PM From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Jan 18 06:53:05 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun Jan 18 06:54:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Saturday Night Message-ID: Good Morning, I am so pleased and happy to report the Trashcan has a new Motor!! Mel spent several hours here yesterday afternoon and evening and we accomplished alot. He rebuilt the amp in the Magnavox Console Stereo so that cute little thing has some bass..it sounds great! Not a bad find at Goodwill for $25 plus 20% off, lol My Daughter (18) had it moved to her room for her New Vinyl Records (that is temporary, lol, I want it back) Then we moved downstairs and Ron you will be pleased to know the Bside Plunger on the C 100 is actually fixed now. For the past year I have been avoiding using any B side records, as the plunger was getting stuck and then I would spend 1/2 hour trying to get the paper clip inside the plunger to free it up. That worked for about 10 songs then it would get stuck again. Mel actually showed me how to take out the plunger and clean it up. Sounds easy to most on this list but I was thrilled.....ok another "easy" fix...when I was oiling the C Motor, I was taking the Mech out on a table and oiling and cleaning contacts.........DUH? ok, so Mel unscrews the covers and there ya go...Mech still in and way easier. That's another brilliant moment in my Jukebox life. Mel did say I need to find a coupling for the Trashcan Motor. Mine is held together with Electrical Tape (it was like that when I got it) so if anyone has one, I'd be happy to buy it, you could contact me off list. Many, many thanks to you, Mel and I just love these Jukebox Saturday Nights!!!! Jackie Dancin' Out to all 5 Jukes in working order, plus the Magnavox From gibson510 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 18 08:09:23 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Sun Jan 18 08:10:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 61 mech mount rubber Message-ID: Rick, Give them a call--that may be an error in price--Ron Rich Ron, no need to call them. That is the price. I ordered what I thought to be a set (4 upper 4 lower) turns out a set is 1 upper and 1 lower for $20 plus shipping. I know we all gotta eat but eighty dollars for some rubber bushings??? I'm going to check out some auto parts stores. I'm sure there is something close to original. Regards, Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 From jeremy at dwave.net Sun Jan 18 08:20:07 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sun Jan 18 08:21:27 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090118161832.M91307@dwave.net> Thanks for the link Hildegard, NSM had some interesting designs. I like the remote selector for the ESIII. That thing is HUGE (needed room for all the title strips). Jeremy Agema On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:42:41 +0100, Stamann wrote > Just for everybody who is interested in the different models NSM > made: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/NSM/NSM-Bilder- Uebersicht.htm > > Unfortuantely they named their Jukeboxes often Consul, Prestige and > Festival. So just the name does not refer to a year resp. technic inside. > In the Sixties they did built a jukebox called "Serenade" - but they > called the type of mechanism the same from this time. But if one > looks checks the manuals they invented this mech with the 1961 model > "Fanfare Silber". They used this type of mech up until 1969 in all > 100 (Serenade, Consul 100, Minibox, Letkiss 100) and 128 selection > jukeboxes (Letkiss 130, Hit 130, Festival 130, Consul 130, Hit 130D, > festival 130D, Consul 130D). > > Also in Germany NSM jukeboxes - like German Wurlitzer ones - had > been cheaper than US brands. One reason for sure had been the cost > to import a jukebox from US (freight, import tax, duty, fees). So > one thinks a NSM jukebox couldn't have been cheaper in US than a US > model because they also needed to be imported - but if NSM wanted > to get into the market - who knows .... > > Kind regards - Hildegard > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list- > bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von James Alexander Gesendet: > Samstag, 17. Januar 2009 10:01 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to > photobucket > > I'm under the impression that the late 70's-early 80's NSM jukes > were priced below competitive Seeburgs, Rowes and RockOla's of the > time in order to captivate the attention of the vending operators. > In the Georgia-Florida areas, there were a lot of NSM Prestige > 160's,the model before (Serenade?) and City models in circulation. > By the mid 80's CD jukes were displacing the vinyl models in > comm'l locations, and getting parts/service for NSM started to be a > struggle then. Deutsche-Wurlitzer had distributors in the area, but > there were not a lot of their machines in comm'l use. Jim > Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > You can take it with you! Click here for a luxurious new motor home > and travel in style! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8JiJ9KPi8MZmR5vuaRvj2tco qhY9L5Z5vjjxuDJWyzp4AbU/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 08:24:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 18 08:25:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Impedence of 1970's 100 selection Seeburgs ? In-Reply-To: <000f01c97952$4e3a69e0$eaaf3da0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <678064.86292.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nigel, All Seeburgs from the PFEA ("TSA-4 Amp.") models on up use a 5 ohm speaker. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Impedence of 1970's 100 selection Seeburgs ? To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:51 AM Does anyone know the impedance of the 12" bass speakers in the 1970s 100 selection Seeburgs (Seeburg Topaz I'm thinking of) ? Want to pop one in my Continental to try it, but only if its around 12/16 ohm. Thanks Nigel, UK _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Sun Jan 18 08:37:03 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sun Jan 18 08:38:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC2 tonearm wiring/motor mounts In-Reply-To: <4972D307.2050706@sparksandarcs.net> References: <002301c97936$19639000$4c2ab000$@net> <4972D307.2050706@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <20090118162550.M93051@dwave.net> Sounds like you are having fun Mike :) The tone arm comes off easily if you remove the frame that the whole assembly sits in. I have a photo of it removed in my DS160 album http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20DS160%201961/? action=view¤t=p1142704.jpg To remove it - take off the brake cam lever, remove the screw for the needle cleaning brush lever, then there are three screws that hold in the frame. After some wiggling and twisting it should come free. You have to watch out for the trip switch wires. As you found those wires are very tiny and break easily. I have had to repair a couple of sockets and it's not easy. Last year someone on the list found a fix where the older motor donuts will fit the newer motor with a little modification. The motor coupler is easy to source from the usual vendors (in new condition). Jeremy Agema On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:58:15 -0600, Carmack wrote > Okay, it turns out that my SMC2 SternBurg is a bit of a problem > child. Physically it's in excellent shape but electrically oh boy > does it make up for it. > > I had what I thought was a weak channel with no treble and barely > any bass. Turns out there's a wiring problem that I traced to the > green wire as it comes out of the tonearm. What tripped me up was > that the amplifier has some sort of channel blending (is it supposed > to do that??) intermixing the two sides. As I pulled the cartridge > out, unfortunately the mount came with it, pulling off three of the > wires in the process. Grrrrr....... > > I can't seem to get enough slack in the tonearm wiring to be able to > resolder the broken connections. I think I'm forced to remove the > tonearm. I'm having a heck of a time figuring out what exactly > it'll take to do this. I've got the service book for an older > Seeburg (161), but I'm not sure whether the two mechanisms are even > related enough to get away with following the older book. Dare I > try it? I'm practically on the verge of cheating and just extending > the tonearm wires a couple of inches and stuffing the extra along > the tonearm length! How much trouble am I in for? At this point > I'm still unsure if it was a break in the green wire somewhere along > the way or simply a bad solder joint at the cartridge mount. > > Second issue is some horribly gooey motor mounts. Both of the > rubber donuts have turned to mush, creating some serious humming in > the output > (before the tonearm wiring broke of course). How hard is it to get > good mounts? I'm assuming that anything NOS or anything less than > recent production would be hard as a rock or gooey as the old ones. > What's the consensus on motor mount sources and lifespan? Yes, the > motor coupling block is shot too. Hard as a rock and cracking a > bit. When it rains it pours...... > > Thanks! > Mike Carmack > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 08:49:58 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 18 08:51:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 61 mech mount rubber In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <427121.35997.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, I would still call Denny, or Steve ! Sometimes errors are made by the "shipping dept." (or printing dept for the catolog)?there-- Has happened more then once to me !--they have always "made it right" !? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/18/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 61 mech mount rubber To: "jukebox list" Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:09 AM Rick, Give them a call--that may be an error in price--Ron Rich Ron, no need to call them. That is the price. I ordered what I thought to be a set (4 upper 4 lower) turns out a set is 1 upper and 1 lower for $20 plus shipping. I know we all gotta eat but eighty dollars for some rubber bushings??? I'm going to check out some auto parts stores. I'm sure there is something close to original. Regards, Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Jan 18 09:02:01 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Jan 18 09:03:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Impedence of 1970's 100 selection Seeburgs ? In-Reply-To: <678064.86292.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <000f01c97952$4e3a69e0$eaaf3da0$@force9.co.uk> <678064.86292.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004401c9798e$7b6b3430$72419c90$@force9.co.uk> Thanks Ron, Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 18 January 2009 16:25 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Impedence of 1970's 100 selection Seeburgs ? Nigel, All Seeburgs from the PFEA ("TSA-4 Amp.") models on up use a 5 ohm speaker. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Impedence of 1970's 100 selection Seeburgs ? To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:51 AM Does anyone know the impedance of the 12" bass speakers in the 1970s 100 selection Seeburgs (Seeburg Topaz I'm thinking of) ? Want to pop one in my Continental to try it, but only if its around 12/16 ohm. Thanks Nigel, UK _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 09:31:01 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Jan 18 09:32:07 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <242825.30812.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Stamann wrote: > Just for everybody who is interested in the different models > NSM made: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/NSM/NSM-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm How did that vertical-stack record changer work? Did it just rely on the thickness of the records for indexing, and knife between them to separate them? (Sort of like an old Wurlitzer tabletop machine without the record trays?) From grahamricho at hotmail.com Sun Jan 18 10:41:31 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Sun Jan 18 10:44:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bal- Ami I Message-ID: Just been to the MOSI Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester and they have a working (20p a selection) Bal -Ami I in there ! From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 18 11:36:10 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 18 11:38:50 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photob ucket Message-ID: <20090118.143610.21259.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Thank You for the information. NSM did establish a US import office for their products in the Chicago IL area, probably in the 70's. It was around that time that the rudiments of a distribution and replacement parts/service network for NSM did get established in the US, but it didn't last. All of the NSM products I've seen here were assembled in Germany and imported to the US. The last vinyl jukebox models I remember seeing in comm'l use here were the City models (there was a City vinyl-CD combo unit) and the Concert 240 which was a 120 record 45 RPM juke. I believe this was in 1985. Their Prestige 160 model (early 80's?) were the most popular units here. There have been fewer of their CD models. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Turn your passion into a profession. Click here to find a film school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8PN23jXBVL5jTgHN7uqPcyjScvsta3sbnL5DtePHcLvDkQm/ From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Sun Jan 18 11:50:10 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Sun Jan 18 11:54:50 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket References: <20090118.143610.21259.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I have a Concert 240 III that was made in 1988. I picked it up this past summer at a second hand store for under $300. It was listed as unworking, but I found that the carriage was off the track and the record transfer arm was out of alignment. After fixing that, it's been working well for me. It does have some of the issues that you'd expect to find in a 20 year old juke, like speaker foam rot, and gummy grease. I've picked up a second carriage for it, and intend to have one rebuilt when I can find someone who does those here in the US. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket Thank You for the information. NSM did establish a US import office for their products in the Chicago IL area, probably in the 70's. It was around that time that the rudiments of a distribution and replacement parts/service network for NSM did get established in the US, but it didn't last. All of the NSM products I've seen here were assembled in Germany and imported to the US. The last vinyl jukebox models I remember seeing in comm'l use here were the City models (there was a City vinyl-CD combo unit) and the Concert 240 which was a 120 record 45 RPM juke. I believe this was in 1985. Their Prestige 160 model (early 80's?) were the most popular units here. There have been fewer of their CD models. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Turn your passion into a profession. Click here to find a film school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8PN23jXBVL5jTgHN7uqPcyjScvsta3sbnL5DtePHcLvDkQm/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 18 11:58:53 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 18 12:02:04 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photob ucket Message-ID: <20090118.145853.21259.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Thank You for displaying the link showing the NSM jukebox catalog. I didn't know that they had so many models. After seeing your list, the vinyl models seen in big numbers in the US were the Prestige ES160II (curved fr glass w/visible mech) a few older Prestige models (70's) Concert 240 I and City IV. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8VZ7OatwFPmeUzxyav22niUQyOe434Ltzk1IjpKqwnAT46a/ From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Sun Jan 18 12:02:32 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Sun Jan 18 12:04:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaking of NSM Message-ID: <10B61515EE394DD7861D54B7668ED8BB@DFLXW121> I've been looking for a mini-printer for my NSM jukebox, but haven't found one yet. Has anyone successfully made an adaptor cable to connect from the printer connector on the ES4 technic to a computer serial port for capture on a PC instead of to a printer? Jon Scaptura Binghamton Radio Online http://www.binghamtonradio.com From stamann at jukebox-world.de Sun Jan 18 12:37:57 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Sun Jan 18 12:42:49 2009 Subject: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket Message-ID: You're welcome. And thanks for visting the site. NSM was of course pretty big in Germany. The eldest model in US we got a request for is a Prestige 160 B II which was built from 1970-72: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/NSM/NSMPrestige160_B.htm I do not know when NSM exactly started to export their models - probably 1970. But it seems they exported worldwide. There are some NSMs in new Zealand and Australia as well. I don't know if they sold cabinets or licenses to Spain, too - but at least there must have been some kind of business: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Europa/Rennotte-NSM.htm These are Spanish jukeboxes made by Petaco using a NSM Serenade cabinet and a Belgium Rennotte mechanism. But this is another story .... Which I do not know of anything..... Although NSMs are German models to find parts isn't easy neither. NSM does not deal with these old jukes anymore and the guy who bought out all thier left over parts did sell them, too. We made a few repro items for NSMs but not that many. So usually collectors try to find original parts or get components repaired. Luckily we know two technicians who know these models very well. One of them is a young man who made this as his profession. He knows each NSM and I guess he knows almost each error. He repairs amps, control units, carriages etc. in exchange/mail order. Unfortunately this is not of real help for US collectors I guess..... For UK collectors I'd say that Adrian from this list is a good address - at least for later models (and other brands, of course). I don't know if he has experience with older NSM models - but if not I'm sure he would find his way through. Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von James Alexander Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. Januar 2009 21:16 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted to photobucket Thank You for displaying the link showing the NSM jukebox catalog. I didn't know that they had so many models. After seeing your list, the vinyl models seen in big numbers in the US were the Prestige ES160II (curved fr glass w/visible mech) a few older Prestige models (70's) Concert 240 I and City IV. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8VZ7OatwFPmeUzxyav22niUQyOe434Ltzk1IjpKqwnAT46a/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From stamann at jukebox-world.de Sun Jan 18 14:56:40 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Sun Jan 18 14:58:02 2009 Subject: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted tophotobucket Message-ID: Hello David, each record is hold by a special triangle (Fanfare 60) resp. record ring (Fanfare 100 mono and stereo). That means before inserting records into the machine the operator had to add this piece to each record. This picture shows the Fanfare 100 ring: https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s34665813.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn;jsessionid=1549738c4e2e4ea/shopdata/smimages/7/detail_NSM025_300x292.jpg When a selection was made the complete stack of records was lifted upwards. When the selection was written-in the records did fell down one after the other until the right one was the lowest one: either on the same level like the chrome mech cover to play B sides or the lowest one of the record stack to play the A-side. This picture shows an A side playing. http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Bilder/NSM/NSM-Fanfare100stereo-schwarz-3.JPG Because of the sound when the records did fall down it was also called the "clack-clack-jukebox". Kind of similar to the old RCA 45 RPM record changer. The Fanfare models are collector items over here. Especially within the last years the value came up a little bit - because they have a visible mech but are not that pricy like US brands of that era. The mechanism is fun to watch but kind of difficult to work on, the sound is fantastic! Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von David Breneman Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. Januar 2009 18:46 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite photos and video posted tophotobucket --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Stamann wrote: > Just for everybody who is interested in the different models NSM made: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/NSM/NSM-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm How did that vertical-stack record changer work? Did it just rely on the thickness of the records for indexing, and knife between them to separate them? (Sort of like an old Wurlitzer tabletop machine without the record trays?) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From swingtime63 at msn.com Sun Jan 18 17:13:03 2009 From: swingtime63 at msn.com (Bruce Thompson) Date: Sun Jan 18 17:19:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted: AMI I-200 Message-ID: Hello everybody, I just purchased an AMI I-200 that is in need of a few things to complete it. I'm in need of the back lower left amplifier door and the little wooden gray shelf that the amp attaches to and slides in the back. The mounting hardware to attach the amp to the shelf would be great too. All this was missing including the amp when I purchased this machine. I just got a nice gray amp on ebay last week. I can try making these pieces but I want to leave that as a last resort if I can't find originals. Also, has anyone purchased either the top valence glass or the AMI strip glass recently. I see these pieces are offered both by Victory Glass and the Jukeboxman. I was wondering which ones are better or if they are the same manufacture. Please email me direct: swingtime63@msn.com Thank you, Bruce From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 03:18:32 2009 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Mon Jan 19 03:19:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 stylus/ cartridge ? Message-ID: Hi all, is the stylus/cartridge compliant enough to play stereo records? I have played some and they sound fine on that juke, but I have not tried them on a stereo player (juke or home TT)? Is there a better cart to install without mods to the amp or tone arm that any of you use in that era rockola? thank you, Rick. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jan 19 07:33:58 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jan 19 07:36:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 stylus/ cartridge ? Message-ID: <20090119.103358.17691.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Rick: A RockOla 1464 juke was originally equipped with an Astatic # 51 mono crystal/ceramic element cartridge. A good stereo update would be to use a Pfanstiehl P-132D stereo ceramic cartridge. The P-132D's are in wide use, readily available, economical and would allow you to reduce the needle tracking force to 5-7 grams. Wire the two cartridge channels in parallel for use with a mono amplifier. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Beauty School Programs - Get the career you've always wanted. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdku7SLajHkwDLouOQVWRhr0m6oxJcWJBtauth3J3Ltgxt0/ From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 12:48:50 2009 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Mon Jan 19 12:49:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 stylus/ cartridge ? In-Reply-To: <20090119.103358.17691.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090119.103358.17691.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jim for that info. Will that cart mount ok without mods to the arm or the amp? Rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 stylus/ cartridge ? Rick: A RockOla 1464 juke was originally equipped with an Astatic # 51 mono crystal/ceramic element cartridge. A good stereo update would be to use a Pfanstiehl P-132D stereo ceramic cartridge. The P-132D's are in wide use, readily available, economical and would allow you to reduce the needle tracking force to 5-7 grams. Wire the two cartridge channels in parallel for use with a mono amplifier. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Beauty School Programs - Get the career you've always wanted. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdku7SLajHkwDLouOQVWRhr0m6oxJcWJBtauth3J3Ltgxt0/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jan 19 15:09:43 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jan 19 15:13:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 stylus/ cartridge ? Message-ID: <20090119.180943.13521.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Rick: No mechanical mods are needed to mount the cartridge in your tone arm other than readjusting the tracking weight to suit the new cartridge. The tracking weight is adjusted by carefully bending the brass spring that supports the tone arm. Optimum tracking in this case should be 5-7 grams. No electrical mods need to be made to your amplifier to support the cartridge change. Electrical output of the Pfanstiehl P132D cartridge is approx. the same as the Astatic 51 original unit. You will need to replace the cartridge connecting push-on terminals in order to accomodate the round (conventional) terminals on the new pickup. 4 new terminals are supplied with new cartridge. Tie the left and right outputs together (in parallel) so that both channels of a stereo recording are heard in your mono amplifier. When soldering, use a workholding tool, take care not to apply heat directly to the cartridge.If the original miniature twisted-pair (or shielded pair) phono wiring in the tone arm has grown stiff with age,this would be a good time to replace it. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Learn digital and video photography techniques, lighting and printing. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdQhUFt0ViYST40YUMMyQYed4JkMbtX2IB56kDPiMqjq2Im/ From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 15:53:08 2009 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Mon Jan 19 15:54:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 stylus/ cartridge ? In-Reply-To: <20090119.180943.13521.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090119.180943.13521.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: thanks Jim, rick ----- Original Message ----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 stylus/ cartridge ? Rick: No mechanical mods are needed to mount the cartridge in your tone arm other than readjusting the tracking weight to suit the new cartridge. The tracking weight is adjusted by carefully bending the brass spring that supports the tone arm. Optimum tracking in this case should be 5-7 grams. No electrical mods need to be made to your amplifier to support the cartridge change. Electrical output of the Pfanstiehl P132D cartridge is approx. the same as the Astatic 51 original unit. You will need to replace the cartridge connecting push-on terminals in order to accomodate the round (conventional) terminals on the new pickup. 4 new terminals are supplied with new cartridge. Tie the left and right outputs together (in parallel) so that both channels of a stereo recording are heard in your mono amplifier. When soldering, use a workholding tool, take care not to apply heat directly to the cartridge.If the original miniature twisted-pair (or shielded pair) phono wiring in the tone arm has grown stiff with age,this would be a good time to replace it. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Learn digital and video photography techniques, lighting and printing. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdQhUFt0ViYST40YUMMyQYed4JkMbtX2IB56kDPiMqjq2Im/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 15:59:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 19 16:00:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 stylus/ cartridge ? In-Reply-To: <20090119.180943.13521.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <257067.84012.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hint on soldering -- Do NOT have the "terminals" connected to the cartridge while soldering !! Those carts do not "like"?ANY heat !? (don't axk !!!) Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/19/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 stylus/ cartridge ? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 3:09 PM Rick: No mechanical mods are needed to mount the cartridge in your tone arm other than readjusting the tracking weight to suit the new cartridge. The tracking weight is adjusted by carefully bending the brass spring that supports the tone arm. Optimum tracking in this case should be 5-7 grams. No electrical mods need to be made to your amplifier to support the cartridge change. Electrical output of the Pfanstiehl P132D cartridge is approx. the same as the Astatic 51 original unit. You will need to replace the cartridge connecting push-on terminals in order to accomodate the round (conventional) terminals on the new pickup. 4 new terminals are supplied with new cartridge. Tie the left and right outputs together (in parallel) so that both channels of a stereo recording are heard in your mono amplifier. When soldering, use a workholding tool, take care not to apply heat directly to the cartridge.If the original miniature twisted-pair (or shielded pair) phono wiring in the tone arm has grown stiff with age,this would be a good time to replace it. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Learn digital and video photography techniques, lighting and printing. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdQhUFt0ViYST40YUMMyQYed4JkMbtX2IB56kDPiMqjq2Im/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jyount130960 at comcast.net Mon Jan 19 17:35:27 2009 From: jyount130960 at comcast.net (jyount130960@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jan 19 17:43:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy CDM3 or CDM4? Message-ID: <012020090135.26390.49752A5E000EFE26000067162216557996CFC0C7CFCCCE9B029A019706@comcast.net> Hey John, do the Wurly units look the same as the ones in the NSM units? I was trying to i.d. what kind of unit I have in the NSM Galaxy (CDM3 or CDM4) and it is almost square and appears that 2/3rd's of it is a mirror like finish on top. Anyway, do you know someone who rebuilds the CDM3's etc... if not what is the lowest price you have run across to upgrade to the CD Pro system? If to expensive or too much hassle I have been looking for a Rockola Legend. Maybe I could get lucky enough to find one for $600 or so close to Nashville. I like the fact that they resemble the older jukes but dont know much about their reliability. What do you think? Thanks, JOe. -------------- Original message -------------- From: John Robertson > jyount130960@comcast.net wrote: > > What is the easiest way to tell if the reader unit in the Galaxy is CDM3 or > has been upgraded in the past with a CDM4? Are they very different visually or? > Thanks, Joe. > > > I have a pictures showing the different models of players as used in > the Wurlitzer machines. You should be able to identify which player you > have from these images. > > http://flippers.com/wurlitzr.html#Troubleshooting > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From goldenflash60 at aol.com Mon Jan 19 19:23:21 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 19 19:30:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy CDM3 or CDM4? In-Reply-To: <012020090135.26390.49752A5E000EFE26000067162216557996CFC0C7CFCCCE9B029A019706@comcast.net> References: <012020090135.26390.49752A5E000EFE26000067162216557996CFC0C7CFCCCE9B029A019706@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CB48C5947130EB-42C-17AB@WEBMAIL-DZ13.sysops.aol.com> the galaxy has a cdm4/36 in it.? i have the same one.? a guy in new england named bruce will rebuild the cdm 4 for about $125.? it is well worth since a pro player is probably twice that.? his website is? www.abjukeboxrepair.com.? he checked mine because i thought it was bad but it was ok.? it ended up there was a cold solder in the player unit.? i fixed it and its going strong.? take care, tom -----Original Message----- From: jyount130960@comcast.net To: pinball@telus.net; Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 7:35 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy CDM3 or CDM4? Hey John, do the Wurly units look the same as the ones in the NSM units? I was trying to i.d. what kind of unit I have in the NSM Galaxy (CDM3 or CDM4) and it is almost square and appears that 2/3rd's of it is a mirror like finish on top. Anyway, do you know someone who rebuilds the CDM3's etc... if not what is the lowest price you have run across to upgrade to the CD Pro system? If to expensive or too much hassle I have been looking for a Rockola Legend. Maybe I could get lucky enough to find one for $600 or so close to Nashville. I like the fact that they resemble the older jukes but dont know much about their reliability. What do you think? Thanks, JOe. -------------- Original message -------------- From: John Robertson > jyount130960@comcast.net wrote: > > What is the easiest way to tell if the reader unit in the Galaxy is CDM3 or > has been upgraded in the past with a CDM4? Are they very different visually or? > Thanks, Joe. > > > I have a pictures showing the different models of players as used in > the Wurlitzer machines. You should be able to identify which player you > have from these images. > > http://flippers.com/wurlitzr.html#Troubleshooting > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From klaba at klaba.net Wed Jan 21 00:32:45 2009 From: klaba at klaba.net (Klaba) Date: Wed Jan 21 00:33:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Which Box Message-ID: <2a6f6eed0901210032u7c5af6fag8c6f1149cee158af@mail.gmail.com> Does anybody recognize this box? http://www.musacorner.com/box.jpg -klaba- From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Jan 21 01:01:08 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Jan 21 01:02:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Which Box In-Reply-To: <2a6f6eed0901210032u7c5af6fag8c6f1149cee158af@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a6f6eed0901210032u7c5af6fag8c6f1149cee158af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690901210101u680665cdie12053e882f9a3ee@mail.gmail.com> Made in - Finnland? 8-) Jens On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Klaba wrote: > Does anybody recognize this box? > > http://www.musacorner.com/box.jpg > > -klaba- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Wed Jan 21 05:06:27 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Wed Jan 21 06:08:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Which Box Message-ID: <9F133AD4BBAE41B2A3584E89897F73BE@VistaServer> Hi! Actually, that looks like a Rockola SuperSound or Max model with the optional cd changer, hence the display box above. They did not get too many on the street and they were not reliable.... Of course I could be wrong, in which case..... Nevermind!!! Mel From oldstylem at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 21 07:50:45 2009 From: oldstylem at sbcglobal.net (sean murphy) Date: Wed Jan 21 07:58:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Nsm Performer Wall unit...no freeplay? Message-ID: <423404.49354.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ive recently acquired an Nsm Performer Wall unit. I got her up and running but cant seem to get the freeplay going. Does anyone know the correct way. Thank you in advance...Sean From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 13:06:52 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Wed Jan 21 13:07:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 Message-ID: I am restoring an ami f-120 60mhz and the records are playing slow. I have replaced idler wheel, tension spring and turntable motor mounts, it still playing slowly. I can build up the motor shaft with tape and get it close. Does anyone have an idea as what to do. Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009 From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jan 21 13:29:58 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Wed Jan 21 13:31:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 References: Message-ID: ...A 60mhz motor will run slow on any standard mains! I assume you intended to say 60Hz, are you in a 60Hz area? If not then you will need a small spring to put over the motor shaft to increase it's diameter. They are available from jukebox parts suppliers. If you are on 60Hz mains then you need to look for things that could be slowing the motor down - usual suspects are dried up oil on the motor and / or turntable bearings. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Shaw" To: "jukebox group" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 I am restoring an ami f-120 60mhz and the records are playing slow. I have replaced idler wheel, tension spring and turntable motor mounts, it still playing slowly. I can build up the motor shaft with tape and get it close. Does anyone have an idea as what to do. Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1906 - Release Date: 21/01/2009 07:07 From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Wed Jan 21 13:49:07 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Wed Jan 21 13:50:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49779853.5000004@sparksandarcs.net> You know, I've got the same problem with my E120. I gave it new belts, cleaned the shafts of the idlers and rebuilt them, tore apart the motor, cleaned and relubed it as well. New motor mounts too. I'm stuck too! Mike Carmack Bryan Shaw wrote: > I am restoring an ami f-120 60mhz and the records are playing slow. I have replaced idler wheel, tension spring and turntable motor mounts, it still playing slowly. I can build up the motor shaft with tape and get it close. Does anyone have an idea as what to do. > > > Bryan > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Wed Jan 21 14:05:25 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Wed Jan 21 14:06:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC2 tonearm wiring/motor mounts In-Reply-To: <20090118162550.M93051@dwave.net> References: <002301c97936$19639000$4c2ab000$@net> <4972D307.2050706@sparksandarcs.net> <20090118162550.M93051@dwave.net> Message-ID: <49779C25.30108@sparksandarcs.net> Bless you! Those pictures explain ALOT! I couldn't figure out how on earth that carriage attached to the frame. I was looking on all sides EXCEPT the left [slap forehead]. I really appreciate it! For the SMC, they used a magnet on the tonearm and reed relay to replace a contact switch. Strangely it's exactly the same arrangement I hacked into my 2610 Wurlitzer about 10 years ago when I converted it to a magnetic cartridge....having never seen an SMC or similar. Although I did have to use a standard relay driven by the reed relay since I couldn't get my hands on a reed relay that could handle the current of the trip solenoid. My SMC has an intermittent gremlin with the reject where it seems to ignore what the reed relay is telling it. I can hear the leaves of the reed relay click together, but I haven't had time to deduce the point of failure yet. Hitting the reject switch on the back fixes it every time. One more question -- I'd like to relocate the volume/reject to a more "convenient" location. What have others done? Your suggestions? Mike Jeremy Agema wrote: > Sounds like you are having fun Mike :) > > The tone arm comes off easily if you remove the frame that the whole > assembly sits in. > > I have a photo of it removed in my DS160 album > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20DS160%201961/? > action=view¤t=p1142704.jpg > > To remove it - take off the brake cam lever, remove the screw for the needle > cleaning brush lever, then there are three screws that hold in the frame. > After some wiggling and twisting it should come free. You have to watch out > for the trip switch wires. > > As you found those wires are very tiny and break easily. I have had to > repair a couple of sockets and it's not easy. > > Last year someone on the list found a fix where the older motor donuts will > fit the newer motor with a little modification. > > The motor coupler is easy to source from the usual vendors (in new > condition). > > Jeremy Agema > > > On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:58:15 -0600, Carmack wrote > >> Okay, it turns out that my SMC2 SternBurg is a bit of a problem >> child. Physically it's in excellent shape but electrically oh boy >> does it make up for it. >> >> I had what I thought was a weak channel with no treble and barely >> any bass. Turns out there's a wiring problem that I traced to the >> green wire as it comes out of the tonearm. What tripped me up was >> that the amplifier has some sort of channel blending (is it supposed >> to do that??) intermixing the two sides. As I pulled the cartridge >> out, unfortunately the mount came with it, pulling off three of the >> wires in the process. Grrrrr....... >> >> I can't seem to get enough slack in the tonearm wiring to be able to >> resolder the broken connections. I think I'm forced to remove the >> tonearm. I'm having a heck of a time figuring out what exactly >> it'll take to do this. I've got the service book for an older >> Seeburg (161), but I'm not sure whether the two mechanisms are even >> related enough to get away with following the older book. Dare I >> try it? I'm practically on the verge of cheating and just extending >> the tonearm wires a couple of inches and stuffing the extra along >> the tonearm length! How much trouble am I in for? At this point >> I'm still unsure if it was a break in the green wire somewhere along >> the way or simply a bad solder joint at the cartridge mount. >> >> Second issue is some horribly gooey motor mounts. Both of the >> rubber donuts have turned to mush, creating some serious humming in >> the output >> (before the tonearm wiring broke of course). How hard is it to get >> good mounts? I'm assuming that anything NOS or anything less than >> recent production would be hard as a rock or gooey as the old ones. >> What's the consensus on motor mount sources and lifespan? Yes, the >> motor coupling block is shot too. Hard as a rock and cracking a >> bit. When it rains it pours...... >> >> Thanks! >> Mike Carmack >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From steve at pro-ns.net Wed Jan 21 14:05:25 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Wed Jan 21 14:06:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 In-Reply-To: <49779853.5000004@sparksandarcs.net> References: <49779853.5000004@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <20090121220525.GA5844@pro-ns.net> Mike and Bryan, Are you measuring speed with strobe discs? Or comparing with same record played on another system? For me, some songs sound slow just because the radio stations played them faster to fit in more ads, and I just want to make sure that's not what we're looking at here. :-) What's the speed of the motor supposed to be, 3600 rpm? I bet there'd be a creative way to look at the speed of the motor standing alone; white paper disc with a single line on it as a strobe disc, say. See if it's slow to start with or not... It's gotta be either friction or slippage, I think. :-) --> Steve On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 03:49:07PM -0600, Carmack wrote: > You know, I've got the same problem with my E120. I gave it new belts, > cleaned the shafts of the idlers and rebuilt them, tore apart the motor, > cleaned and relubed it as well. New motor mounts too. I'm stuck too! > > Mike Carmack > > Bryan Shaw wrote: >> I am restoring an ami f-120 60mhz and the records are playing slow. I have replaced idler wheel, tension spring and turntable motor mounts, it still playing slowly. I can build up the motor shaft with tape and get it close. Does anyone have an idea as what to do. >> Bryan >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. >> http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net "On this employee survey form, it asks, 'Do you trust your manager?' If I trust him to do the wrong thing, is that a 'yes'?" From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Jan 21 14:24:33 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Wed Jan 21 14:25:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurli 2710 selector slide switch Message-ID: <003c01c97c17$09f25be0$1dd713a0$@net> Does anyone happen to know, or look up the part number for the slide switch part number for the number bank of a 2710's selector assembly? Thanks. Rich From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 14:35:22 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Jan 21 14:36:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 In-Reply-To: <20090121220525.GA5844@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <996697.76302.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Steve Wahl wrote: > What's the speed of the motor supposed to be, 3600 rpm? > I bet there'd > be a creative way to look at the speed of the motor > standing alone; I'd like to know that the speed of the motor is supposed to be as well. A friend's G-120 ran a little slow when I was working on it, but would come up to speed after an hour or so. I thought maybe it was my cold workshop, but it's still doing it in hos house so I'm thinking we might need to take the motor apart and clean it. I have a tachometer I can use (it looks like a big stopwatch with a shaft coming out the top). From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 15:16:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 21 15:17:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <565680.4139.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Brian, Check out the ad's in Always Jukin Magazine---The "correct speed kit" is available again for those. Ron Rich www.alwaysjukin.com --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Bryan Shaw wrote: From: Bryan Shaw Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 To: "jukebox group" Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 1:06 PM I am restoring an ami f-120 60mhz and the records are playing slow. I have replaced idler wheel, tension spring and turntable motor mounts, it still playing slowly. I can build up the motor shaft with tape and get it close. Does anyone have an idea as what to do. Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Wed Jan 21 15:52:17 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Wed Jan 21 15:53:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC2 tonearm wiring/motor mounts In-Reply-To: <49779C25.30108@sparksandarcs.net> References: <002301c97936$19639000$4c2ab000$@net> <4972D307.2050706@sparksandarcs.net> <20090118162550.M93051@dwave.net> <49779C25.30108@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <20090121234402.M83507@dwave.net> I am glad my photos helped you out :) On another note I have finished adding my juke photos (8 albums on photobucket) http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/ My favorite is the Seeburg SS160 album. On your reject issue - Get or make a remote volume control. You will need a volume motor that mounts to your current control (easy to get). Then you will need the actual remote (momentary contact switch for reject and a DPDT momentary switch) Also easy to get on ebay. If you only want just a remote reject setup - attach two wires to the back of the original switch and mount your momentary switch where you want. The path for the record reject does go through a connector or two before it reaches the amp (where the reject relay is). Your relay could also be bad. Thanks Jeremy Agema On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:05:25 -0600, Carmack wrote > Bless you! Those pictures explain ALOT! I couldn't figure out how > on earth that carriage attached to the frame. I was looking on all > sides EXCEPT the left [slap forehead]. I really appreciate it! > > For the SMC, they used a magnet on the tonearm and reed relay to > replace a contact switch. Strangely it's exactly the same > arrangement I hacked into my 2610 Wurlitzer about 10 years ago when > I converted it to a magnetic cartridge....having never seen an SMC > or similar. Although I did have to use a standard relay driven by > the reed relay since I couldn't get my hands on a reed relay that > could handle the current of the trip solenoid. > > My SMC has an intermittent gremlin with the reject where it seems to > ignore what the reed relay is telling it. I can hear the leaves of > the reed relay click together, but I haven't had time to deduce the > point of failure yet. Hitting the reject switch on the back fixes > it every time. > > One more question -- I'd like to relocate the volume/reject to a > more "convenient" location. What have others done? Your suggestions? > > Mike > > Jeremy Agema wrote: > > Sounds like you are having fun Mike :) > > > > The tone arm comes off easily if you remove the frame that the whole > > assembly sits in. > > > > I have a photo of it removed in my DS160 album > > > > http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20DS160% 201961/? > > action=view¤t=p1142704.jpg > > > > To remove it - take off the brake cam lever, remove the screw for the needle > > cleaning brush lever, then there are three screws that hold in the frame. > > After some wiggling and twisting it should come free. You have to watch out > > for the trip switch wires. > > > > As you found those wires are very tiny and break easily. I have had to > > repair a couple of sockets and it's not easy. > > > > Last year someone on the list found a fix where the older motor donuts will > > fit the newer motor with a little modification. > > > > The motor coupler is easy to source from the usual vendors (in new > > condition). > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > > > On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:58:15 -0600, Carmack wrote > > > >> Okay, it turns out that my SMC2 SternBurg is a bit of a problem > >> child. Physically it's in excellent shape but electrically oh boy > >> does it make up for it. > >> > >> I had what I thought was a weak channel with no treble and barely > >> any bass. Turns out there's a wiring problem that I traced to the > >> green wire as it comes out of the tonearm. What tripped me up was > >> that the amplifier has some sort of channel blending (is it supposed > >> to do that??) intermixing the two sides. As I pulled the cartridge > >> out, unfortunately the mount came with it, pulling off three of the > >> wires in the process. Grrrrr....... > >> > >> I can't seem to get enough slack in the tonearm wiring to be able to > >> resolder the broken connections. I think I'm forced to remove the > >> tonearm. I'm having a heck of a time figuring out what exactly > >> it'll take to do this. I've got the service book for an older > >> Seeburg (161), but I'm not sure whether the two mechanisms are even > >> related enough to get away with following the older book. Dare I > >> try it? I'm practically on the verge of cheating and just extending > >> the tonearm wires a couple of inches and stuffing the extra along > >> the tonearm length! How much trouble am I in for? At this point > >> I'm still unsure if it was a break in the green wire somewhere along > >> the way or simply a bad solder joint at the cartridge mount. > >> > >> Second issue is some horribly gooey motor mounts. Both of the > >> rubber donuts have turned to mush, creating some serious humming in > >> the output > >> (before the tonearm wiring broke of course). How hard is it to get > >> good mounts? I'm assuming that anything NOS or anything less than > >> recent production would be hard as a rock or gooey as the old ones. > >> What's the consensus on motor mount sources and lifespan? Yes, the > >> motor coupling block is shot too. Hard as a rock and cracking a > >> bit. When it rains it pours...... > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Mike Carmack > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 21 16:26:05 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Jan 21 16:30:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 References: <565680.4139.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c97c28$0fa13910$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Those kits are for the D and E models with the belts. I would disassemble and lube the motor. If that doesn't work you may need to replace it. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 Brian, Check out the ad's in Always Jukin Magazine---The "correct speed kit" is available again for those. Ron Rich www.alwaysjukin.com --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Bryan Shaw wrote: From: Bryan Shaw Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 To: "jukebox group" Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 1:06 PM I am restoring an ami f-120 60mhz and the records are playing slow. I have replaced idler wheel, tension spring and turntable motor mounts, it still playing slowly. I can build up the motor shaft with tape and get it close. Does anyone have an idea as what to do. Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From seeburgt at pacbell.net Wed Jan 21 18:40:21 2009 From: seeburgt at pacbell.net (Tony Miller) Date: Wed Jan 21 18:41:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC2 tonearm wiring/motor mounts In-Reply-To: <49779C25.30108@sparksandarcs.net> References: <002301c97936$19639000$4c2ab000$@net> <4972D307.2050706@sparksandarcs.net> <20090118162550.M93051@dwave.net> <49779C25.30108@sparksandarcs.net> Message-ID: <20090122024123.E63D0AA99A@lists.netlojix.com> At 02:05 PM 1/21/2009, you wrote: Mike; If it works from the back panel but not from the reed switch, about the only thing it could be is a bad solder joint to the reed switch, a bad reed switch contact, or the wire between it and ground or between it and the mech connector (P1102 pin 7) is not making contact. Cheers, Tony Miller >Bless you! Those pictures explain ALOT! I couldn't figure out how >on earth that carriage attached to the frame. I was looking on all >sides EXCEPT the left [slap forehead]. I really appreciate it! > >For the SMC, they used a magnet on the tonearm and reed relay to >replace a contact switch. Strangely it's exactly the same >arrangement I hacked into my 2610 Wurlitzer about 10 years ago when >I converted it to a magnetic cartridge....having never seen an SMC >or similar. Although I did have to use a standard relay driven by >the reed relay since I couldn't get my hands on a reed relay that >could handle the current of the trip solenoid. >My SMC has an intermittent gremlin with the reject where it seems to >ignore what the reed relay is telling it. I can hear the leaves of >the reed relay click together, but I haven't had time to deduce the >point of failure yet. Hitting the reject switch on the back fixes >it every time. > >One more question -- I'd like to relocate the volume/reject to a >more "convenient" location. What have others done? Your suggestions? > >Mike > > >Jeremy Agema wrote: >>Sounds like you are having fun Mike :) >> >>The tone arm comes off easily if you remove the frame that the >>whole assembly sits in. >> >>I have a photo of it removed in my DS160 album >>http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg%20DS160%201961/? >>action=view¤t=p1142704.jpg >> >>To remove it - take off the brake cam lever, remove the screw for >>the needle cleaning brush lever, then there are three screws that >>hold in the frame. After some wiggling and twisting it should come >>free. You have to watch out for the trip switch wires. >> >>As you found those wires are very tiny and break easily. I have had >>to repair a couple of sockets and it's not easy. >> >>Last year someone on the list found a fix where the older motor >>donuts will fit the newer motor with a little modification. >> >>The motor coupler is easy to source from the usual vendors (in new >>condition). >> >>Jeremy Agema >> >> >>On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:58:15 -0600, Carmack wrote >> >>>Okay, it turns out that my SMC2 SternBurg is a bit of a problem >>>child. Physically it's in excellent shape but electrically oh boy >>>does it make up for it. >>> >>>I had what I thought was a weak channel with no treble and barely >>>any bass. Turns out there's a wiring problem that I traced to the >>>green wire as it comes out of the tonearm. What tripped me up was >>>that the amplifier has some sort of channel blending (is it >>>supposed to do that??) intermixing the two sides. As I pulled the >>>cartridge out, unfortunately the mount came with it, pulling off >>>three of the wires in the process. Grrrrr....... >>> >>>I can't seem to get enough slack in the tonearm wiring to be able >>>to resolder the broken connections. I think I'm forced to remove >>>the tonearm. I'm having a heck of a time figuring out what >>>exactly it'll take to do this. I've got the service book for an >>>older Seeburg (161), but I'm not sure whether the two mechanisms >>>are even related enough to get away with following the older >>>book. Dare I try it? I'm practically on the verge of cheating >>>and just extending the tonearm wires a couple of inches and >>>stuffing the extra along the tonearm length! How much trouble am >>>I in for? At this point I'm still unsure if it was a break in the >>>green wire somewhere along the way or simply a bad solder joint at >>>the cartridge mount. >>> >>>Second issue is some horribly gooey motor mounts. Both of the >>>rubber donuts have turned to mush, creating some serious humming >>>in the output (before the tonearm wiring broke of course). How >>>hard is it to get good mounts? I'm assuming that anything NOS or >>>anything less than recent production would be hard as a rock or >>>gooey as the old ones. >>>What's the consensus on motor mount sources and lifespan? Yes, >>>the motor coupling block is shot too. Hard as a rock and cracking >>>a bit. When it rains it pours...... >>> >>>Thanks! >>>Mike Carmack >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Jukebox-list mailing list >>>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Jukebox-list mailing list >>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Jan 21 20:56:50 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Jan 21 20:57:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 In-Reply-To: <003b01c97c28$0fa13910$6101a8c0@Dirksen> References: <565680.4139.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <003b01c97c28$0fa13910$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <3154d3690901212056g292f1dabn110ba60da95556e9@mail.gmail.com> As I remember it the E had a different turntable design where the motor has two drive belts.The belts need to have the right thickness or the turntable rpms will be off. For the other AMIs, you need a bushing for the turntable motor shaft to run it on 50 Hz. I have (someheres in the basement....) a bag of brass bushings for AMIs, both for 45 and 78 rpm/50Hz. Jens On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:26 AM, wrote: > Those kits are for the D and E models with the belts. I would disassemble > and lube the motor. If that doesn't work you may need to replace it. Good > luck, > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 > > > > Brian, > Check out the ad's in Always Jukin Magazine---The "correct speed kit" is > available again for those. Ron Rich > www.alwaysjukin.com > > --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Bryan Shaw wrote: > > From: Bryan Shaw > Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 > To: "jukebox group" > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 1:06 PM > > I am restoring an ami f-120 60mhz and the records are playing slow. I > have > replaced idler wheel, tension spring and turntable motor mounts, it still > playing slowly. I can build up the motor shaft with tape and get it close. > Does > anyone have an idea as what to do. > > > Bryan > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live? Hotmail(R):?more than just e-mail. > > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Jan 22 05:57:52 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Thu Jan 22 05:54:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 Message-ID: <200901220857655.SM03404@[192.168.1.206]> The motor will run slow if, over a period of 50 years, was oiled (or greased!!), played in a smokey environment, then left for dead for a period of years before being pulled out and restored. The bottom shaft of the motor shaft rests in a "cup" so to speak in the bottom of the motor case. The bottom of the shaft has a bearing that allows it to glide smoothly in this cup without any friction, providing that there's a small amount of lubrication present. The top of the motor shaft - that part that come in contact with the idler wheel - is held in place by a brass bushing that's mounted in the top frame of the motor case. This bushing should move around in the case ever so slightly to take up any movement of the shaft, but most importantly, the shaft should move freely in that bushing with no resistance at all. You really should take the motor apart and clean the top and bottom areas of the shaft - removing any traces of old and hardened grease - which most assuredly will be present. Then clean out the "cup" bottom area of the motor's case, and the brass bushing in the top of the motor's case. Be careful not to get the windings of the motor wet with any cleaning agent. While you're at it, check the condition of the two wires going to the motor. I've never found one where the old wires weren't cracked, hard, or brittle. You can resurrect these wires by going over them with a heat gun set on low. Move the heat back and forth over the wires so that the old insulation begins to melt. Once that happens, the wires will be more supple. After that, I cover the wires - right down to the coils - with heat shrink. Of course, you need to make sure that the wires aren't frayed or broken right at the winding coils. Then a repair is more ambitious. A good cleaning should bring the motor back up to something more acceptable. However, I've done the "tape" bit around the shaft as well to bring the speed up a bit. However, constant use will eventually cause the tape to fall off. I've also used very fine solid wire to wind a coil around the top of the motor shaft very tightly. That worked as well. Of course, the turntable could be playing slow because the idler wheel is worn, or the inside of the turntable is too slick with "oils" for the idler wheel to get a good grip on it. Have you tried cleaning the idler wheel and the turntable? Aaron From Homer87015 at aol.com Thu Jan 22 10:37:53 2009 From: Homer87015 at aol.com (Homer87015@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 22 10:45:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 Message-ID: And E models !.... May be of some use guys ?.... My British Bal-Ami`s don`t have belts on the E or the G . The E has a motor made by Collaro and a large thin idler wheel. ( I replaced this with a better condition one off an old tape deck ! Bodged onto a brass bearing with araldite-) But it works. Apparently Idler wheel diameter is not critical. It`s the motor spindle/platter ratio that`s important--no help to your belt drivers- but I found that the G motor mount plate is the same size , just has a big fat ( better?) motor. Of course we`re talking 50 hertz here in the UK. But maybe you will find that F+G idler drives will replace E belt drives if the motor plates etc. are swapped.? Hope this is of some help to you. Cheers, Nige. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 12:10:02 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Jan 22 12:11:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 In-Reply-To: <200901220857655.SM03404@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <768358.55472.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: [Good cleaning tips deleted...] > A good cleaning should bring the motor back up to something > more acceptable. However, I've done the "tape" > bit around the shaft as well to bring the speed up a bit. > However, constant use will eventually cause the tape to fall > off. Have you ever tried heat-shrink tubing, the kind that's slipped over a soldered wire connection to insulate it? It shrinks enough that several layers could be applied if necessary. From deanmink2003 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 12:05:01 2009 From: deanmink2003 at yahoo.com (Dean Mi nk) Date: Thu Jan 22 12:12:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg MRA3-6L keeps blowing the fuse. Short?? Message-ID: <848591.17717.qm@web38802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi I recently found a '51 Seeburg "BL" It has the MRA3-6L amp in it. After many late nights of cleaning and lubing everything I finally have it working good. Here's the problem... If I leave the speaker plugged in when I power it up, the 5U4G turns red and then the F1 fuse blows. I checked the speaker field coil and voice coil for a short but found none. I can power it up without the speaker plugged in and the fuse and tube are fine. It still has the original paper capacitors installed (new kit ordered and on the way) but none have leaked and everything looks ok. This jukebox hasn't been played since the 70's, first thing I did was check all the fuses when I got it home and found F1 was blown. Also the fuse blows with splatter and makes me think its a really bad short somewhere but I'm stumped. From gibson510 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 22 12:34:53 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Thu Jan 22 12:35:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 433 control box Message-ID: I'm having difficulty identifying a semiconductor inside the control box on a 433 I'm working on. The schematic is not detailed enough. The part # on the piece is E45C150 I've tried cross referencing and come up with nothing. I think it is a diode but it doesn't test normal. Can anyone tell me if i'm on the right track? This is the control box that mounts on the underside of the mechanism deck. It has four relays inside and push on connectors. If someone has rebuilt one of these controls please let me know. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail??more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jan 22 13:04:53 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jan 22 13:06:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg MRA3-6L keeps blowing the fuse. Short?? Message-ID: <20090122.160453.26837.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Dean: The symptoms you are indicating is that you do have a short circuit somewhere in the high voltage (B+) circuit. When the field coil speaker is plugged in, you are completing the B+ circuit to all circuits in the amplifier. The B+ voltage is routed through the field coil to energize it, then onto the rest of the amp circuits. The 5U4 plates glowing red, and the fuse blowing are more indicators of too heavy a current draw somewhere. Try removing the 2 6L6 tubes (or 4 6V6 tubes) from their sockets, replace the fuse with the same value (do not over rate it) plug in the speaker and see if the same short symptoms occur. If they do, the problem is in the amp wiring or components. Aged filter capacitors can short and will cause this problem. If removing the power output tubes fixes the short, the problem is either a shorted output tube or trouble with the output transformer. You should consider rebuilding (this includes a replacement of all old capacitors) your 50+ yr old amplifier, as part of your restoration work. There are a few parts/capacitors in the selection receiver chassis that should be updated as well. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx952mBBLgYEkLEQzMsidKDdiCOGnA0oiG6QptNQMmsNlh99s/ From ccos at knology.net Thu Jan 22 13:06:56 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Thu Jan 22 13:08:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 433 control box References: Message-ID: Hey Rick, I don't know if this will help, but I believe the same control box is in the 431 I have here in the shop, and it has 3 semi-conducters in it. All three are wire wound resistors. I have the manual and can look them up, possibly, if you think this will help? Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 433 control box I'm having difficulty identifying a semiconductor inside the control box on a 433 I'm working on. The schematic is not detailed enough. The part # on the piece is E45C150 I've tried cross referencing and come up with nothing. I think it is a diode but it doesn't test normal. Can anyone tell me if i'm on the right track? This is the control box that mounts on the underside of the mechanism deck. It has four relays inside and push on connectors. If someone has rebuilt one of these controls please let me know. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail??more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Thu Jan 22 13:08:51 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Jan 22 13:09:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg MRA3-6L keeps blowing the fuse. Short?? In-Reply-To: <848591.17717.qm@web38802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <848591.17717.qm@web38802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4978E063.3010900@west.net> Dean Mi nk wrote: > Hi I recently found a '51 Seeburg "BL" > It has the MRA3-6L amp in it. After many late nights of cleaning and lubing everything I finally have it working good. > Here's the problem... If I leave the speaker plugged in when I power it up, the 5U4G turns red and then the F1 fuse blows. I checked the speaker field coil and voice coil for a short but found none. I can power it up without the speaker plugged in and the fuse and tube are fine. It still has the original paper capacitors installed (new kit ordered and on the way) but none have leaked and everything looks ok. > This jukebox hasn't been played since the 70's, first thing I did was check all the fuses when I got it home and found F1 was blown. Also the fuse blows with splatter and makes me think its a really bad short somewhere but I'm stumped. The speaker plug has a jumper that disconnects the high voltage return when unplugged, so unplugging the speaker effectively disconnects all of the high voltage. It could be a short to ground on the HV transformer winding in which case it will be expensive. Also possibly a shorted 5U4 but this is rare. Otherwise I'd recap it first as it could be a shorted capacitor somewhere. With the speaker plug disconnected and the amp unplugged the HV winding should be isolated. An ohmmeter from either pin 4 or 6 of the 5U4 to chassis ground should measure open (infinite). If shorted, then unplug the 5U4 and re-test. If still shorted you've got a bad transformer. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From deanmink2003 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 14:26:19 2009 From: deanmink2003 at yahoo.com (Dean Mi nk) Date: Thu Jan 22 14:59:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg MRA3-6L keeps blowing the fuse. Short?? In-Reply-To: <4978E063.3010900@west.net> Message-ID: <659112.21995.qm@web38806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I did the tests you guys suggested and it turns out I have a shorted transformer. I have a ground between pin 6 and 2? (cant really make out what my schematic says) without the amp or 5U4 plugged in. Thanks for the info, now where can I find a transformer? --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg MRA3-6L keeps blowing the fuse. Short?? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 3:08 PM Dean Mi nk wrote: > Hi I recently found a '51 Seeburg "BL" It has the MRA3-6L amp in it. After many late nights of cleaning and lubing everything I finally have it working good. Here's the problem... If I leave the speaker plugged in when I power it up, the 5U4G turns red and then the F1 fuse blows. I checked the speaker field coil and voice coil for a short but found none. I can power it up without the speaker plugged in and the fuse and tube are fine. It still has the original paper capacitors installed (new kit ordered and on the way) but none have leaked and everything looks ok. > This jukebox hasn't been played since the 70's, first thing I did was check all the fuses when I got it home and found F1 was blown. Also the fuse blows with splatter and makes me think its a really bad short somewhere but I'm stumped. The speaker plug has a jumper that disconnects the high voltage return when unplugged, so unplugging the speaker effectively disconnects all of the high voltage. It could be a short to ground on the HV transformer winding in which case it will be expensive. Also possibly a shorted 5U4 but this is rare. Otherwise I'd recap it first as it could be a shorted capacitor somewhere. With the speaker plug disconnected and the amp unplugged the HV winding should be isolated. An ohmmeter from either pin 4 or 6 of the 5U4 to chassis ground should measure open (infinite). If shorted, then unplug the 5U4 and re-test. If still shorted you've got a bad transformer. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Thu Jan 22 15:38:20 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Jan 22 15:39:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg MRA3-6L keeps blowing the fuse. Short?? In-Reply-To: <659112.21995.qm@web38806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <659112.21995.qm@web38806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4979036C.1090808@west.net> Dean Mi nk wrote: > I did the tests you guys suggested and it turns out I have a shorted transformer. I have a ground between pin 6 and 2? (cant really make out what my schematic says) without the amp or 5U4 plugged in. > Thanks for the info, now where can I find a transformer? Let's make sure. With the speaker unplugged, check between pin 4 of the 5U4 socket and the chassis. This should be open. It is normal to measure continuity between pins 4 and 6 of the 5U4 socket. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From deanmink2003 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 20:24:41 2009 From: deanmink2003 at yahoo.com (Dean Mi nk) Date: Thu Jan 22 20:25:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg MRA3-6L keeps blowing the fuse. Short?? In-Reply-To: <4979036C.1090808@west.net> Message-ID: <882607.80921.qm@web38805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I kept tracing the wires and it turns out that the transformer isn't bad. There?are three metal can type condensors listed on my schematic as C3A, C3B and C3C (20 mfd. 350v electrolytic) one has a thin red wire going to one pin on the 5U4 tube, I cut that red wire from the third condensor and checked it and found it is shorted to the chassis. I left the wire cut and hooked up the speaker and powered up, played a record and the 5U4 lit up like the other tubes and the fuse didn't blow. So I guess the short is in that condensor (I think?a new one?comes with the recap. kit) but now there is no power going to the speaker coil. Is that condensor somehow in the power circuit for the speaker? When I look at the schematic it doesn't seem to feed the speaker at all. --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg MRA3-6L keeps blowing the fuse. Short?? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:38 PM Dean Mi nk wrote: > I did the tests you guys suggested and it turns out I have a shorted transformer. I have a ground between pin 6 and 2? (cant really make out what my schematic says) without the amp or 5U4 plugged in. > Thanks for the info, now where can I find a transformer? Let's make sure. With the speaker unplugged, check between pin 4 of the 5U4 socket and the chassis. This should be open. It is normal to measure continuity between pins 4 and 6 of the 5U4 socket. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Thu Jan 22 21:22:36 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Thu Jan 22 21:23:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 In-Reply-To: <768358.55472.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <768358.55472.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4979541C.8010403@sparksandarcs.net> I like the sound of that one for my "E". I've already disassembled, cleaned, and relubed the motor (paying strict attention to those bearings and bushings, getting rid of the years of old crusty grease). The belts are from Victory Glass so they should feasibly be the right sizes. AC wiring throughout has been replaced. I think this motor just gets "weak" with age. Not knowing enough about AC motors, I can't say for certain. David Breneman wrote: > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > > [Good cleaning tips deleted...] > >> A good cleaning should bring the motor back up to something >> more acceptable. However, I've done the "tape" >> bit around the shaft as well to bring the speed up a bit. >> However, constant use will eventually cause the tape to fall >> off. >> > > > Have you ever tried heat-shrink tubing, the kind that's > slipped over a soldered wire connection to insulate it? > It shrinks enough that several layers could be applied > if necessary. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 23 08:04:50 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Fri Jan 23 08:05:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bargain of the week Message-ID: <427362.74038.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Another Midwest bargain: Wurlitzer Jukebox Model 1450; plays 45 rpm records; 48 selections, 24 records. 4000 of these jukeboxes made by Wurlitzer. Plays, but needs restoring. Pick up only. Please call 309-230-8857 or e-mail me at boxer500@mchsi.com * Location: Quad Cities Original URL:http://quadcities.craigslist.org/msg/1003827570.html Looks like an interesting machine. Was it originally a 78 box? If so, too bad it got "the treatment". All the best, Bob - Chicago From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 10:08:06 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Jan 23 10:09:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <303758.82331.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Homer87015@aol.com wrote: > Apparently > Idler wheel diameter is not critical. It`s the motor > spindle/platter ratio that`s important-- An idler wheel transfers its linear surface velocity, not it's rotational velocity, from the driving shaft to the driven shaft. That surface velocity is always the same, no matter what the diameter. Only the diameters of the driving and driven shafts determine the speed of rotation of the driven shaft (which, in the case of a rim-drive turntable, is driven from the inside -- but it's still a shaft). From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Jan 23 13:00:18 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Jan 23 13:02:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg MRA3-6L keeps blowing the fuse. Short?? Message-ID: <20090123.160018.28059.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Dean: The 20 mfd 350V electrolytic capacitor you found shorted is one of the power supply filter caps that Jay Hennigan and I talked about. These can go bad and short out with old age. You are probably finding that this cap's + terminal is connected to Pin 8 of the 5U4 rect. tube This filter is one section of a multi section can-style capacitor. These have not been manufactured with regularity in recent times. You may need to replace the cap sections with individual axial-lead capacitors mounted below the amp chassis. There are a few parts suppliers, that, on occasion, have the can-style caps available. Since the 5U4 rectifier tube has been running with red-hot plates from the over-current draw, you should probably replace the tube. Leave the old can mounted on the chassis for the sake of appearance,disconnected. Congratulations on finding the short circuit, and determining that you don't need to locate a replacement power or output transformer. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to become an artist and quit your boring job. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9Hhh7KLwRD4vofT6u79vHRevDBEvbDF6u9AwJk8FqfASYv8/ From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Jan 23 15:03:54 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Jan 23 15:04:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bargain of the week In-Reply-To: <427362.74038.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <208125.65540.qm@web111508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Acutally that Wurlitzer could play both 78's and 45's (not at the same time) you had to change a gear to change the speed and if you want to use 45's you had to put inserts in the trays so make it smaller for 45's. ? Regards, Tony --- On Fri, 1/23/09, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bargain of the week To: "Jukebox List" Received: Friday, January 23, 2009, 11:04 AM Another Midwest bargain: Wurlitzer Jukebox Model 1450; plays 45 rpm records; 48 selections, 24 records. 4000 of these jukeboxes made by Wurlitzer. Plays, but needs restoring. Pick up only. Please call 309-230-8857 or e-mail me at boxer500@mchsi.com * Location: Quad Cities Original URL:http://quadcities.craigslist.org/msg/1003827570.html Looks like an interesting machine. Was it originally a 78 box? If so, too bad it got "the treatment". All the best, Bob - Chicago _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From lralkie at shaw.ca Fri Jan 23 17:00:59 2009 From: lralkie at shaw.ca (Len Ralkie) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:16:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Message-ID: My jukebox plays 45's and I am an avid 45 collector. recently at a flea market I came across about 2 dozen 78's in the binders( Frankie Laine, Pee Wee Herman) to name a few for $1.00 ea Canadian and if you took the 10 or 12 in one binder, you got the binder also.. Today at the local thrift store, I found about twenty more for .49 ea. Some of the names I remember were Guy Lombardo and Patti Page. Just for my own "wall" I bought Standing on the corner by The Four Lads and My Prayer by the Platters. My question is, are these 78's still readily available or should I be picking them up for you 78 RPM jukebox owners. From bobe at halted.com Fri Jan 23 17:10:02 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:22:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090124011002.0099484c@hsces.com> At 07:00 PM 1/23/2009 -0600, you wrote: >My jukebox plays 45's and I am an avid 45 collector. recently at a flea market I came across about 2 dozen 78's in the binders( Frankie Laine, Pee Wee Herman) I'm guessing either Woody Herman or Pee Wee King! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From jjblue4 at juno.com Fri Jan 23 17:32:43 2009 From: jjblue4 at juno.com (jjblue4@juno.com) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:35:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Message-ID: <20090123.173243.3884.11.jjblue4@juno.com> Stay away from 78's a few are worth big bucks but there were soooo many made that most are worthless, and there is no really good guide on price. The ones to look for are early rock n roll 78's those are worth good money. At 1$ a piece in US money is a lot, I have 3 phonographs so I like to pick up the oldies for them, and good ol swing music. I have them every where, right now there is a stack on the coffee table and a stack on the couch. I bought probably 50 for 12$ yesterday. Sorry to stray away from your question, to answer it, there are literal millions of them around, I would be careful what you pay for them, and me my self, if I had a 78rpm juke, I would want really good swing music or early sun records. Would love to have a juke full of 78rpm sun records could never be able to afford them but would be a great dream. Jason On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:00:59 -0600 "Len Ralkie" writes: > My jukebox plays 45's and I am an avid 45 collector. recently at a > flea market I came across about 2 dozen 78's in the binders( > Frankie Laine, Pee Wee Herman) to name a few for $1.00 ea Canadian > and if you took the 10 or 12 in one binder, you got the binder > also.. Today at the local thrift store, I found about twenty more > for .49 ea. Some of the names I remember were Guy Lombardo and Patti > Page. Just for my own "wall" I bought Standing on the corner by The > Four Lads and My Prayer by the Platters. My question is, are these > 78's still readily available or should I be picking them up for you > 78 RPM jukebox owners. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > ____________________________________________________________ Click here for fast, reliable, quality printing services! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3dzielfRRhrswwsBKQRa4bIRowloRXq2FlTUw5H1SrEYCaa/ From lralkie at shaw.ca Fri Jan 23 17:47:40 2009 From: lralkie at shaw.ca (Len Ralkie) Date: Fri Jan 23 18:02:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records References: <20090123.173243.3884.11.jjblue4@juno.com> Message-ID: <0DEA4AFB0F214B3F961E87D78BFDB6CE@your4dacd0ea75> I will keep on the lookout for 78's on the Sun label, but up here in Canada we didn't see a lot of 45's on the sun label, let alone 78's. By the way, the temp here tonight is -28 C with a wind chill of -38. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records > Stay away from 78's a few are worth big bucks but there were soooo many > made that most are worthless, and there is no really good guide on price. > The ones to look for are early rock n roll 78's those are worth good > money. At 1$ a piece in US money is a lot, I have 3 phonographs so I like > to pick up the oldies for them, and good ol swing music. I have them > every where, right now there is a stack on the coffee table and a stack > on the couch. I bought probably 50 for 12$ yesterday. Sorry to stray away > from your question, to answer it, there are literal millions of them > around, I would be careful what you pay for them, and me my self, if I > had a 78rpm juke, I would want really good swing music or early sun > records. Would love to have a juke full of 78rpm sun records could never > be able to afford them but would be a great dream. > > Jason > > > On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:00:59 -0600 "Len Ralkie" writes: >> My jukebox plays 45's and I am an avid 45 collector. recently at a >> flea market I came across about 2 dozen 78's in the binders( >> Frankie Laine, Pee Wee Herman) to name a few for $1.00 ea Canadian >> and if you took the 10 or 12 in one binder, you got the binder >> also.. Today at the local thrift store, I found about twenty more >> for .49 ea. Some of the names I remember were Guy Lombardo and Patti >> Page. Just for my own "wall" I bought Standing on the corner by The >> Four Lads and My Prayer by the Platters. My question is, are these >> 78's still readily available or should I be picking them up for you >> 78 RPM jukebox owners. >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here for fast, reliable, quality printing services! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3dzielfRRhrswwsBKQRa4bIRowloRXq2FlTUw5H1SrEYCaa/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 22:48:41 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Jan 23 22:49:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records In-Reply-To: <0DEA4AFB0F214B3F961E87D78BFDB6CE@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20090123.173243.3884.11.jjblue4@juno.com> <0DEA4AFB0F214B3F961E87D78BFDB6CE@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <3154d3690901232248j1cce93g151af71532733ccf@mail.gmail.com> Man, that IS cold even by our standards.You need a sauna to thaw those frozen limbs- Kurt Knauck still runs his auctions at www.78rpm.com there you can find some expensive 78s (plus a bunch of affordable ones) it is also a great general resource site for 78 rpm collectors. Last listing he had over one hundred HitoftheWeeks and fifty Vogue picture records, quite impressive. Sun 78s ok, but I believe there are pricier 78s to be found from the late 20s especially. Some were on the famous "Black Patti" label that only existed for a year and recorded mainly black artists.....hmm, now I even found a website http://www.blackpatti.com/Black%20Patti%20SALES.htm where you can buy some of that stuff Jens On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Len Ralkie wrote: I will keep on the lookout for 78's on the Sun label, but up here in Canada > we didn't see a lot of 45's on the sun label, let alone 78's. By the way, > the temp here tonight is -28 C with a wind chill of -38. > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records > > > > Stay away from 78's a few are worth big bucks but there were soooo many >> made that most are worthless, and there is no really good guide on price. >> The ones to look for are early rock n roll 78's those are worth good >> money. At 1$ a piece in US money is a lot, I have 3 phonographs so I like >> to pick up the oldies for them, and good ol swing music. I have them >> every where, right now there is a stack on the coffee table and a stack >> on the couch. I bought probably 50 for 12$ yesterday. Sorry to stray away >> from your question, to answer it, there are literal millions of them >> around, I would be careful what you pay for them, and me my self, if I >> had a 78rpm juke, I would want really good swing music or early sun >> records. Would love to have a juke full of 78rpm sun records could never >> be able to afford them but would be a great dream. >> >> Jason >> >> >> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:00:59 -0600 "Len Ralkie" writes: >> >>> My jukebox plays 45's and I am an avid 45 collector. recently at a >>> flea market I came across about 2 dozen 78's in the binders( >>> Frankie Laine, Pee Wee Herman) to name a few for $1.00 ea Canadian >>> and if you took the 10 or 12 in one binder, you got the binder >>> also.. Today at the local thrift store, I found about twenty more >>> for .49 ea. Some of the names I remember were Guy Lombardo and Patti >>> Page. Just for my own "wall" I bought Standing on the corner by The >>> Four Lads and My Prayer by the Platters. My question is, are these >>> 78's still readily available or should I be picking them up for you >>> 78 RPM jukebox owners. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >> Click here for fast, reliable, quality printing services! >> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3dzielfRRhrswwsBKQRa4bIRowloRXq2FlTUw5H1SrEYCaa/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Fri Jan 23 22:50:51 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Jan 23 22:51:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great jukebox film! Message-ID: <497ABA4B.4000206@telus.net> The Canadian National Film Board (NFB) has decided to share its enormous library of films with the world. One of my favourites is called Juke-Bar! Watch it here: http://www.nfb.ca/film/juke_bar_en It is WELL worth the look! John :-#)# Canadien, eh? -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sat Jan 24 00:50:35 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sat Jan 24 00:52:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great jukebox film! References: <497ABA4B.4000206@telus.net> Message-ID: Good one John. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great jukebox film! > The Canadian National Film Board (NFB) has decided to share its enormous > library of films with the world. One of my favourites is called Juke-Bar! > > Watch it here: > > http://www.nfb.ca/film/juke_bar_en > > It is WELL worth the look! > > John :-#)# > Canadien, eh? > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sat Jan 24 05:14:11 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Sat Jan 24 05:21:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Message-ID: Hey, at . 49 cents a piece, come on. Even a dollar is a bargain for a 78 record in nice condition. There is nothing better as a record, phonograph, and jukebox collector than getting a bunch of old 78s and taking them home and playing them. Even if they are not collectible, you may find a 'snappy' tune that you just love. I am in it for the total LOVE of records, not just the collectibility of them. I think that we as collectors place to darn much on the 'collectibility' of something. My saying is....enjoy! Especially if you can pick up tons of records at a fantastic price. On the subject of Sun Records, etc. even if one can afford them, they are afraid to play them and enjoy them for fear of scratching or breaking them. What a waste! Hey, I found a copy of Louis Armstrong singing Your Cheatin Heart! I paid a whole 25 cents for it and love it!! It's one of my favorite not so rare or elite records. Take care and remember that passing up that 25 cent record at the flea market may mean passing up a song that you can't live without, even if you had not heard it before. Bently From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Jan 24 06:01:00 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Jan 24 06:02:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Message-ID: <837C0C901BE6494599EDF269C7C8AF29@VistaServer> Hey Everyone, just had to chime in. I could not agree more with you Bently. I have thousands of original Rock, R&B, and more "collectable" 78's I have played them all at one time or another. You just cannot replace the sound of Chuck Berry doing Roll over Beethoven on the original 78! I have "collector" friends who have more records than I'll ever have, but they never play play them, such a waste! I recently found an original mint copy of Buddy Holly's Peggy Sue, it's now on my 61 Wurly countertop...... I cannot imagine having all of these great records and not being able to enjoy them. I really enjoy the music, and do not collect for the value. I've been known to give some away from time to time, but never for profit, it's all about the music for me! Mel From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jan 24 06:12:26 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jan 24 06:15:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Message-ID: <20090124.091226.10034.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: A reason you may not find many Sun records in Canada is that a lot of American song hits,released by small independent record labels were pressed and distributed in Canada by Canadian record companies. Two names that I remember seeing were Reo and Quality records. As far as collectibility goes, most 50's rock n roll and r and b releases on 78 tend to fetch bigger prices. There seems to be plenty of the big bands, pop vocalists,etc of the era before rock n roll on 78 RPM discs. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder---it depends upon which music you prefer to have. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Apply now for a credit loan with fast approval. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9LoPdtIupi99YHwfgaE80tUWFheshPgYB96KnK5fKVeHCe6/ From grahamricho at hotmail.com Sat Jan 24 06:17:04 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Sat Jan 24 06:19:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ami continental doors 4 sale ! Message-ID: Somebody was wanting some continental doors and how much they would cost to ship to UK? www.jukeboxparts.co.uk have some for ?100...and there in the UK.. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jan 24 06:21:20 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jan 24 06:23:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ami f-120 Message-ID: <20090124.092120.10034.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I remember seeing an ad in one of the Jukebox mags (Always Jukin', Jukebox Collector) for someone selling a kit (with new idler turrets?) that was designed to correct the record-speed problems with AMI D-E-F jukes. I'll try to find it for you if nobody else can. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Seek a medical assistant career? Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryA4kdopPBtaQvFBFay2vwiWuFYSRU5Y49dz60h6FngqHdkqK/ From mcole01 at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 06:27:07 2009 From: mcole01 at comcast.net (Michael Cole) Date: Sat Jan 24 06:28:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W750 Message-ID: <768770AF2239409E8486C25FB349A311@georgeto04b419> Message to Mel, Mel I'd like to come over and take pictures of the 750 that you're working on. Please E-mail or phone me and let me know. I'm putting mine back together and I'm not sure that I have everything, or whether I've got the parts correctly positioned. All the best, Mike From berrycbell at gmail.com Sat Jan 24 06:55:41 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sat Jan 24 06:56:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great jukebox film! In-Reply-To: <497ABA4B.4000206@telus.net> References: <497ABA4B.4000206@telus.net> Message-ID: Hi John, Thank you very much for that.....OUTSTANDING! Berry Bell On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:50 AM, John Robertson wrote: > The Canadian National Film Board (NFB) has decided to share its enormous > library of films with the world. One of my favourites is called Juke-Bar! > > Watch it here: > > http://www.nfb.ca/film/juke_bar_en > > It is WELL worth the look! > > John :-#)# > Canadien, eh? > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sat Jan 24 06:49:37 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Sat Jan 24 06:56:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Message-ID: Mel! Ya hit the nail on the head. A true hobbyist is in it for the fun and enjoyment and the great benefit of meeting people along the way with the same interest. Making money is for the businessman, not the true hobbyist! Happy weekend all. Bently From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 07:01:46 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Jan 24 07:03:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records In-Reply-To: <20090124.091226.10034.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090124.091226.10034.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <007801c97e34$b2a29b50$17e7d1f0$@net> With all the talk about record collecting, does anyone have or can suggest a good computer software database system for cataloging our collections? I could write my own, but don't want to reinvent the wheel if something is already out there. Also, as far as collectability and value, what seems to be the best resource for determining $$$ value on our collections? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:12 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Gentlemen: A reason you may not find many Sun records in Canada is that a lot of American song hits,released by small independent record labels were pressed and distributed in Canada by Canadian record companies. Two names that I remember seeing were Reo and Quality records. As far as collectibility goes, most 50's rock n roll and r and b releases on 78 tend to fetch bigger prices. There seems to be plenty of the big bands, pop vocalists,etc of the era before rock n roll on 78 RPM discs. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder---it depends upon which music you prefer to have. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Apply now for a credit loan with fast approval. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9LoPdtIupi99YHwfgaE80tU WFheshPgYB96KnK5fKVeHCe6/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1905 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 24 07:05:58 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Sat Jan 24 07:07:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records In-Reply-To: <837C0C901BE6494599EDF269C7C8AF29@VistaServer> Message-ID: <945421.47139.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Although I only have a dozen or so killer early R&R 78s (and some good, but not great, blues, western swing, jazz things), I will agree that no other pressings are as alive.? My favorite is a Little Richard "Long Tall Sally."? It rocks the house.? ?I wish I had the money and space for a 78 juke.? I also wish I had that Buddy Holly (smile). ? Mel brings up an issue that I'm sure many of us struggle with, whether to put records with book values $100 or more on a juke box.? I generally agree that records are to be played, but I'll confess that I have a few things (Gene Vincent EPs, Sun 45s...) that I won't put on my juke box and only play once a year or so. ? What about the rest of you? ? TJ ? ? Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Mel Knight wrote: From: Mel Knight Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 8:01 AM Hey Everyone, just had to chime in. I could not agree more with you Bently. I have thousands of original Rock, R&B, and more "collectable" 78's I have played them all at one time or another. You just cannot replace the sound of Chuck Berry doing Roll over Beethoven on the original 78! I have "collector" friends who have more records than I'll ever have, but they never play play them, such a waste! I recently found an original mint copy of Buddy Holly's Peggy Sue, it's now on my 61 Wurly countertop...... I cannot imagine having all of these great records and not being able to enjoy them. I really enjoy the music, and do not collect for the value. I've been known to give some away from time to time, but never for profit, it's all about the music for me! Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sat Jan 24 07:06:34 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sat Jan 24 07:07:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records In-Reply-To: <007801c97e34$b2a29b50$17e7d1f0$@net> References: <20090124.091226.10034.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> <007801c97e34$b2a29b50$17e7d1f0$@net> Message-ID: I just use the database portion of the Low Profile Software titlestrip program. Works great for this purpose. Thomas On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > With all the talk about record collecting, does anyone have or can suggest > a good computer software database system for cataloging our collections? I > could write my own, but don't want to reinvent the wheel if something is > already out there. > > Also, as far as collectability and value, what seems to be the best > resource > for determining $$$ value on our collections? > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James > Alexander > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:12 AM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records > > > Gentlemen: > A reason you may not find many Sun records in Canada is that a lot of > American song hits,released by small independent record labels were pressed > and distributed in Canada by Canadian record companies. Two names that I > remember seeing were Reo and Quality records. > As far as collectibility goes, most 50's rock n roll and r and b releases > on 78 tend to fetch bigger prices. There seems to be plenty of the big > bands, pop vocalists,etc of the era before rock n roll on 78 RPM discs. > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder---it depends upon which music you > prefer to have. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Need cash? Apply now for a credit loan with fast approval. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9LoPdtIupi99YHwfgaE80tU > WFheshPgYB96KnK5fKVeHCe6/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1905 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 > 7:28 AM > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From Tubanuts at aol.com Sat Jan 24 07:13:55 2009 From: Tubanuts at aol.com (Tubanuts@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 24 07:21:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Message-ID: I have a Wurly 1400 still on 78s that I play most of my old 40-50s stuff on. It has cobra pickups and is pretty gentle on records. My Wurly 1015 only gets the dups and scratchy stuff due to the heavy lollypop head. I have nothing of much value anyway, if I did it would be a one-play to record to digital and then play on mp3. Don **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Jan 24 07:29:29 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sat Jan 24 07:30:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records References: <945421.47139.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi TJ, as far as collectable 78's being in my Trashcan, the only ones I don't play on a reg. basis are the Rudy Vallee Recordings that my Aunt is backup singer on. all the rest of my R & R (some valuable) I play all the time..I don't want to die without dancin' Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Mertz" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Although I only have a dozen or so killer early R&R 78s (and some good, but not great, blues, western swing, jazz things), I will agree that no other pressings are as alive. My favorite is a Little Richard "Long Tall Sally." It rocks the house. I wish I had the money and space for a 78 juke. I also wish I had that Buddy Holly (smile). Mel brings up an issue that I'm sure many of us struggle with, whether to put records with book values $100 or more on a juke box. I generally agree that records are to be played, but I'll confess that I have a few things (Gene Vincent EPs, Sun 45s...) that I won't put on my juke box and only play once a year or so. What about the rest of you? TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on Madison Public Schools --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Mel Knight wrote: From: Mel Knight Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 8:01 AM Hey Everyone, just had to chime in. I could not agree more with you Bently. I have thousands of original Rock, R&B, and more "collectable" 78's I have played them all at one time or another. You just cannot replace the sound of Chuck Berry doing Roll over Beethoven on the original 78! I have "collector" friends who have more records than I'll ever have, but they never play play them, such a waste! I recently found an original mint copy of Buddy Holly's Peggy Sue, it's now on my 61 Wurly countertop...... I cannot imagine having all of these great records and not being able to enjoy them. I really enjoy the music, and do not collect for the value. I've been known to give some away from time to time, but never for profit, it's all about the music for me! Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From joe400f at shaw.ca Sat Jan 24 07:30:36 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sat Jan 24 07:32:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records References: <20090123.173243.3884.11.jjblue4@juno.com> <0DEA4AFB0F214B3F961E87D78BFDB6CE@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <001801c97e38$b460f050$ad9b4e18@compaq> Sun was distributed in the US only. Quality records held the license for Canadian distribution. Exact same recordings but 1/4 of the price. Joey Mcdonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Len Ralkie" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records >I will keep on the lookout for 78's on the Sun label, but up here in Canada >we didn't see a lot of 45's on the sun label, let alone 78's. By the way, >the temp here tonight is -28 C with a wind chill of -38. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records > > >> Stay away from 78's a few are worth big bucks but there were soooo many >> made that most are worthless, and there is no really good guide on price. >> The ones to look for are early rock n roll 78's those are worth good >> money. At 1$ a piece in US money is a lot, I have 3 phonographs so I like >> to pick up the oldies for them, and good ol swing music. I have them >> every where, right now there is a stack on the coffee table and a stack >> on the couch. I bought probably 50 for 12$ yesterday. Sorry to stray away >> from your question, to answer it, there are literal millions of them >> around, I would be careful what you pay for them, and me my self, if I >> had a 78rpm juke, I would want really good swing music or early sun >> records. Would love to have a juke full of 78rpm sun records could never >> be able to afford them but would be a great dream. >> >> Jason >> >> >> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:00:59 -0600 "Len Ralkie" writes: >>> My jukebox plays 45's and I am an avid 45 collector. recently at a >>> flea market I came across about 2 dozen 78's in the binders( >>> Frankie Laine, Pee Wee Herman) to name a few for $1.00 ea Canadian >>> and if you took the 10 or 12 in one binder, you got the binder >>> also.. Today at the local thrift store, I found about twenty more >>> for .49 ea. Some of the names I remember were Guy Lombardo and Patti >>> Page. Just for my own "wall" I bought Standing on the corner by The >>> Four Lads and My Prayer by the Platters. My question is, are these >>> 78's still readily available or should I be picking them up for you >>> 78 RPM jukebox owners. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Click here for fast, reliable, quality printing services! >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3dzielfRRhrswwsBKQRa4bIRowloRXq2FlTUw5H1SrEYCaa/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sat Jan 24 07:38:03 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Sat Jan 24 07:45:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rudy Vallee! I just Love Him Message-ID: Jackie, Wow! Your aunt was a back-up singer for Rudy Vallee. He is one of my favorites. Did she know him personally? I always buy Rudy 78s when I can find them. Take care. Bently From joe400f at shaw.ca Sat Jan 24 08:04:50 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sat Jan 24 08:06:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records References: <20090124.091226.10034.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <009401c97e3d$7cb54890$ad9b4e18@compaq> This subject of playing collectable records in a juke was brought up a couple of years ago. It is great to see that there are many new comers to the jukebox hobby that are offering input to discussions. This will probably make record collectors cringe, but I play original Sun 45 rpm records in my jukes. In any Seeburg newer than a model B, you can't see the label anyway. Alot of use have those models of jukes. Eventhough I have about 3,000 45 rpm records, I don't consider myself a " record collector". I don't pay attention to labels or pressings, only the condition of the vinyl. I want the songs for my jukes. I am a song collector for sure. Sure, I have aquired some collectable singles over the last few years, but they were found in record lots I bought. I did not pay the collector prices for any records I have. Jim Alexander is correct about what he said about Quality and Reo labels. Another thing to note is that Canadian labels never used polystyren to make 45 rpm singles. That subject was brought up as well. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Gentlemen: A reason you may not find many Sun records in Canada is that a lot of American song hits,released by small independent record labels were pressed and distributed in Canada by Canadian record companies. Two names that I remember seeing were Reo and Quality records. As far as collectibility goes, most 50's rock n roll and r and b releases on 78 tend to fetch bigger prices. There seems to be plenty of the big bands, pop vocalists,etc of the era before rock n roll on 78 RPM discs. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder---it depends upon which music you prefer to have. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Apply now for a credit loan with fast approval. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9LoPdtIupi99YHwfgaE80tUWFheshPgYB96KnK5fKVeHCe6/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 24 08:21:55 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Sat Jan 24 08:23:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records In-Reply-To: <009401c97e3d$7cb54890$ad9b4e18@compaq> Message-ID: <471722.44915.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just to clarify.? I'll play?most of my Sun 45s, but not a handful of the rare mint or near mints.? $100 book value is more-or-less my cut off. ? I'll also dissent?from what you said a little -- "I don't pay attention to labels or pressings, only the condition of the vinyl" -- I pay attention to the sound and a rule of thumb is that even?beat old pressings sound better than clean reissue pressings (some exceptions, things like old Rolling Stones pressings that wore out fast and sound awful, discussed on this list previously and quality reissues from people like Norton or Sundazed in the US that sound great). ? TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 10:04 AM This subject of playing collectable records in a juke was brought up a couple of years ago. It is great to see that there are many new comers to the jukebox hobby that are offering input to discussions. This will probably make record collectors cringe, but I play original Sun 45 rpm records in my jukes. In any Seeburg newer than a model B, you can't see the label anyway. Alot of use have those models of jukes. Eventhough I have about 3,000 45 rpm records, I don't consider myself a " record collector". I don't pay attention to labels or pressings, only the condition of the vinyl. I want the songs for my jukes. I am a song collector for sure. Sure, I have aquired some collectable singles over the last few years, but they were found in record lots I bought. I did not pay the collector prices for any records I have. Jim Alexander is correct about what he said about Quality and Reo labels. Another thing to note is that Canadian labels never used polystyren to make 45 rpm singles. That subject was brought up as well. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Gentlemen: A reason you may not find many Sun records in Canada is that a lot of American song hits,released by small independent record labels were pressed and distributed in Canada by Canadian record companies. Two names that I remember seeing were Reo and Quality records. As far as collectibility goes, most 50's rock n roll and r and b releases on 78 tend to fetch bigger prices. There seems to be plenty of the big bands, pop vocalists,etc of the era before rock n roll on 78 RPM discs. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder---it depends upon which music you prefer to have. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Apply now for a credit loan with fast approval. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9LoPdtIupi99YHwfgaE80tUWFheshPgYB96KnK5fKVeHCe6/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 08:59:40 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jan 24 09:00:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records In-Reply-To: <20090124.091226.10034.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <882937.27098.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 1/24/09, James Alexander wrote: > A reason you may not find many Sun records in Canada is > that a lot of American song hits,released by small > independent record labels were pressed and distributed in > Canada by Canadian record companies. Also, if you're interested in Sun artists, many songs are available in later re-releases. Elvis, for instance, brought his Sun catalog to RCA Victor which re-released many of his hits, and these later pressings are of less interest to Elviphiles and therefore sell for less. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 09:09:00 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jan 24 09:10:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records In-Reply-To: <945421.47139.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <832307.25239.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Thomas Mertz wrote: > Mel brings up an issue that I'm sure many of us > struggle with, whether to put records with book values $100 > or more on a juke box. I generally agree that records are > to be played, but I'll confess that I have a few things > (Gene Vincent EPs, Sun 45s...) that I won't put on my > juke box and only play once a year or so. I trust my M100-A with everything. In fact, the only rock 78s I buy are for jukebox play. All the material is availble elsewhere, so why pay more for a 78 if you're not going to play it that way? In fact, if I was lucky enough to get a Beatles 78, into the M100-A it would go. I also have an AMI model A, which I only trust with fairly common records. I've never had it damage a record, but it has far fewer built-in safeguards than the M100-A. When I get my Seeburg 148 hideaway restored, I'll decide what I want to trust it with. From grahamricho at hotmail.com Sat Jan 24 10:20:16 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Sat Jan 24 10:21:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Why would this happen on a Rowe Ami R84? Message-ID: I was playing my Rowe Ami R84 and it was playing great, turned it off for the night, and this morning i turned it on and it did the initial scan and did not stop ! The optical leds where not flashing (the index and home leds) So tried it again and nothing, just the same, i removed the optical cable and checked everything and nothing. The boards had been checked by Alan Hood of Sheffield (Ami man) I left it for a while then checked the manual and give it a final go and it worked ! Why would the optical leds not come on, why would the optical switch suddenly work then not work? I was going to sell the jukebox and want to make sure everything is in full working order...any light thanks From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 10:25:17 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 24 10:26:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Why would this happen on a Rowe Ami R84? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <293155.84025.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Graham, Which color plug do you have on the optical wires--which version mech controller do you have? Most likely your problem is a faulty contact on the plug/"socket" for the optics--or a "mis-match" of optic types and controller. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/24/09, graham wrote: From: graham Subject: [Jukebox-list] Why would this happen on a Rowe Ami R84? To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 10:20 AM I was playing my Rowe Ami R84 and it was playing great, turned it off for the night, and this morning i turned it on and it did the initial scan and did not stop ! The optical leds where not flashing (the index and home leds) So tried it again and nothing, just the same, i removed the optical cable and checked everything and nothing. The boards had been checked by Alan Hood of Sheffield (Ami man) I left it for a while then checked the manual and give it a final go and it worked ! Why would the optical leds not come on, why would the optical switch suddenly work then not work? I was going to sell the jukebox and want to make sure everything is in full working order...any light thanks _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From grahamricho at hotmail.com Sat Jan 24 10:29:54 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Sat Jan 24 10:31:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Why would this happen on a Rowe Ami Message-ID: Hi thanks i will have a look ... From grahamricho at hotmail.com Sat Jan 24 10:39:52 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Sat Jan 24 10:41:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ami Continental "old Woody" ! scandel ! Message-ID: I made another Ami Continental replica jukebox, but have got bored with all the polishing of the metalwork, so this time I made all the trim, button bank, neck anything that was aluminium/chrome before out of oak, and covered the sides and top in an ox blood leather ! It was taken at night so you can not see the true colours so good ( the oak looks sort of yellowy on the video!) It looks more erm....... dont know what to say erm........ warmer , more homely feel to the jukebox. My wife actually liked it ! She says it looks like it belongs in a private Gentlemans club, all sat there smoking cigars in some basement in Mayfair, london in the 1960s....what ever that means ! I have a link to the jukebox on youtube where I put the video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ9B0KJBkho&feature=channel_page many thanks From chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 24 11:05:15 2009 From: chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net (chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat Jan 24 11:06:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question about some switches in a Rockola 442 Message-ID: <883907.93449.qm@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There are two 4-position switches in the Rockola 442 on the amplifier that I have a question about... The first?switch is labeled "Phono Speakers Power" and has four positions labeled "4, 3, 2, 1 (Phono Only)" The second?switch is labeled "Lo Impedance Speakers Power" and has four positions labeled "4, 3, 2, 1". Can anyone tell me what the switches do?? And how should they be set?? The service manual doesn't mention them that I can find. Thanks, Chad From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 11:29:00 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Jan 24 11:30:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question about some switches in a Rockola 442 In-Reply-To: <883907.93449.qm@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <709119.44590.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Chad, Those switches control "wattage" to the phono (sw #1) and remote (sw # 2) speakers. I don't have a copy of that manual, but the schematic (if not covered in the Service Manual)?for the amplifier should tell you total allowable watts, and what the numbers on the switch mean.?Using that you should be able to figure out how to set the switches. I can tell you that if you are using NO remote speakers, that #1 switch should be set to "Phono Only". I don't think that sw #2 makes any difference at this point. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 1/24/09, chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question about some switches in a Rockola 442 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 11:05 AM There are two 4-position switches in the Rockola 442 on the amplifier that I have a question about... The first?switch is labeled "Phono Speakers Power" and has four positions labeled "4, 3, 2, 1 (Phono Only)" The second?switch is labeled "Lo Impedance Speakers Power" and has four positions labeled "4, 3, 2, 1". Can anyone tell me what the switches do?? And how should they be set?? The service manual doesn't mention them that I can find. Thanks, Chad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sat Jan 24 11:40:52 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sat Jan 24 11:42:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ami Continental "old Woody" ! scandel ! References: Message-ID: <08264C4F8A10418298CD3997E88E16F2@Graeme> It seems to be an expensive ornament if the jukebox does not play a record and poor Elvis has to be content to be played externally on CD. Put him back in the box on vinyl where he would be proud along with all the others of his era !. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "graham" To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:39 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ami Continental "old Woody" ! scandel ! I made another Ami Continental replica jukebox, but have got bored with all the polishing of the metalwork, so this time I made all the trim, button bank, neck anything that was aluminium/chrome before out of oak, and covered the sides and top in an ox blood leather ! It was taken at night so you can not see the true colours so good ( the oak looks sort of yellowy on the video!) It looks more erm....... dont know what to say erm........ warmer , more homely feel to the jukebox. My wife actually liked it ! She says it looks like it belongs in a private Gentlemans club, all sat there smoking cigars in some basement in Mayfair, london in the 1960s....what ever that means ! I have a link to the jukebox on youtube where I put the video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ9B0KJBkho&feature=channel_page many thanks _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jan 24 11:42:31 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jan 24 11:44:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question about some switches in a Rockola 442 Message-ID: <20090124.144231.9976.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Chad: These controls are volume control "pads" that are located in the speaker circuits of the 2 ch amplifier. The control marked "phono speakers power" determines how much of the amplifier's power is allocated to the cabinet speakers. The controls allow the jukebox cabinet speakers to be balanced in level, power and impedance to an external speaker system. If you are using only the jukebox speakers, set the phono speakers power to the max volume setting (phono spkrs only) If you are using external speakers (typical residential speakers,rated at 8 ohms ) along with the cabinet speakers these should be connected to the low impedance speaker terminals. Their level will be adjusted by the control "Ext low impedance spkr volume" At the highest, both the phono and ext.spkr controls should be set to no more than the # 3 setting in order to avoid presenting the amp with an impedance mismatch. There should be instructions in the owners' service manual showing speaker hook-up in detail. Last, there are speakers used mostly for commercial applications called 70 volt. These speakers are equipped with individual line matching transformers, allowing multiple speakers to be connected to one line, where each speakers' level/power draw can be set to suit local conditions. These are the only speakers that should be connected to the 70V output terminals on your amp,which are not affected by the two speaker output pads. Your instruction/setup manual should have a detailed chart showing different spkr hookup possibilities. Sometimes this is pasted as a large sticker on the inside back wall of your juke. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find the writing help you need for any essay topic. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8QozEdsl5axxUMdI3kA16u4I5ESsllxL08xJKEhuVUTTHIq/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Jan 24 12:28:42 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Jan 24 12:30:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Message-ID: <20090124.152842.17726.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Most jukebox changers, if set up and adjusted properly, shouldn't cause damage to records. Some mechs, however are a lot better than others. For 78 RPM discs, a Seeburg Select O Matic mech will cause the least record handling damage. 50's 48-select Wurlitzer mechs (tray type mech) will cause a small amount of scuffing on the tray side of the record. The Cobra pickups, factory adjusted to track at 12 grams can usually be lightened to 6-7 grams without needle skip or trip out problems. I don't have hands-on experience with them, but I've heard it said that the Packard and Aerion mechanisms cracked and broke records on a regular basis. Earlier 24-select mechs should have the metal record tray holders installed to prevent scuffing. There are several cartridge updates for the Lollipop and BearClaw type tone arms to play records with a lighter touch. Ditto for RockOla and Seeburg Trashcans. If cartridge conversions are done correctly, they will maintain the sound quality of the original setup. For 45 RPM records, in my opinion, the Seeburg Select O Matic, Wurlitzer carousel and NSM vertical-play mech are the best record handlers. I would be willing to trust them with expensive original discs. The Wurlitzer flat-play mech (3400-up, & German Wurlitzers) are OK if perfectly adjusted. All the above store records vertically for mimimal dust pickup. The RockOla and AMI ferris-wheel mechs will scratch and scuff records badly if not perfectly adjusted. The ferris wheel mech, in the way it stores records, allows a big build up of dust/dirt in the groove surfaces. Records/stylii will last a lot longer if the surfaces are kept reasonably clean. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click now and enhance your business with great email newsletters. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9TBF2NU2hygF9xrNUoL6S0aXMg7KLvDjZ5hHxV30xgKUUIO/ From berrycbell at gmail.com Sat Jan 24 12:56:15 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sat Jan 24 12:57:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ami Continental "old Woody" ! scandel ! In-Reply-To: <08264C4F8A10418298CD3997E88E16F2@Graeme> References: <08264C4F8A10418298CD3997E88E16F2@Graeme> Message-ID: Touche', Graeme! Berry Bell On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Graeme Harvey wrote: > It seems to be an expensive ornament if the jukebox does not play a record > and poor Elvis has to be content to be played externally on CD. Put him > back in the box on vinyl where he would be proud along with all the others > of his era !. > > Graeme Harvey > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "graham" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:39 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ami Continental "old Woody" ! scandel ! > > > > I made another Ami Continental replica jukebox, but have got bored with all > the polishing of the metalwork, so this time I made all the trim, button > bank, neck anything that was aluminium/chrome before out of oak, and covered > the sides and top in an ox blood leather ! > It was taken at night so you can not see the true colours so good ( the oak > looks sort of yellowy on the video!) > It looks more erm....... dont know what to say erm........ warmer , more > homely feel to the jukebox. My wife actually liked it ! She says it looks > like it belongs in a private Gentlemans club, all sat there smoking cigars > in some basement in Mayfair, london in the 1960s....what ever that means ! > I have a link to the jukebox on youtube where I put the video > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ9B0KJBkho&feature=channel_page > many thanks > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From grahamricho at hotmail.com Sat Jan 24 12:57:54 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Sat Jan 24 12:59:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe ami optical switch Message-ID: Played the jukebox again today, worked fine, then turned it off and then back on again , and no then leds on mech panel flash and the carosel just rotates ! any ideas, how to test the optical switch ? or what tests can I do ? thanks From deanmink2003 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 14:04:23 2009 From: deanmink2003 at yahoo.com (Dean Mi nk) Date: Sat Jan 24 14:05:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] quick seeburg speaker voltage question... Message-ID: <103624.44018.qm@web38807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What voltage should I get on a Seeburg M100B speaker at the field coil and how exactly do I check it? Is it AC or DC? Thanks From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 14:39:00 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Sat Jan 24 14:46:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Optical Switchs Message-ID: <729387.72779.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Like Ron asked, the white connectors were on the oldest built optical switches(1979 or so). The red ends were the newer built models. They had literally brighter LEDs in them. Rowe then had to put control pots in the circuit. I have only needed to re-adjust them. If you put the control in the middle of the travel, it should be correct. To test one, remove it from the mech, put the juke in service, with a mini screwdriver in your other hand, look?at the? LEDs, Index and Home, which both should be ON. Slowly slide the blade of the screwdriver down in the U-shaped opening. The 'H' LED should go OFF( because you are blocking the infrared light path) then it will come back ON.?Still sliding the blade down, the?'I' LED will go?OFF and come back?ON?at the?bottom of the?'U'. I once had the 2 LEDs fire cross wards. Once you put the switch back in, adjust it per the manual. You should also check the pin connectors on the PC board and in the connector itself. I remove the pins, clean them, reshape them, re solder them if necessary, and return them one at a time to their slots. I re solder all my board pins and clean them. If you do swap parts from another jukebox, remember the R-84 was built in 1979, and the parts you are using could be 30 years old too. John the Jukebox Man From bobfav at cox.net Sat Jan 24 14:35:08 2009 From: bobfav at cox.net (Bob Fav) Date: Sat Jan 24 14:57:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion In-Reply-To: <20090124200004.6EA1AAAC09@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: It is really great to hear the banter on collectible 78's, and I guess there is no right answer. I have amassed way too many R&R 78's and in many cases paid way more than I could get today. But I will tell you - they ALL go in the jukebox! No, I don't use the lollipop head in the 700, I figured long ago that the supersound kit was cheaper than ruining every cool 78 I came across. But the juke gets them all - Over The Rainbow by Judy, Be Bop A lula, lots of Elvis, Santa Baby by Eartha Kitt, and the real gem - Blue Suede Shoes by Carl Perkins - yes, on Sun. Wish I had that Buddy Holly though! And Jackie, do you have the Rudy Vallee Hit-of-the-week with his picture on the back? If not, I will send photos. If I ever get to retire, or the mortgage business gets any worse - I may start a used 78 business, I have way more than I will ever use. Hey to continue this discussion - what are some of the weirdest, coolest, most unusual records you have? Mine are Petula Clark on 78 and W.C. Fields on 45. Bob in RI From grahamricho at hotmail.com Sat Jan 24 15:57:42 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Sat Jan 24 15:58:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Optical Switchs References: <729387.72779.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi thanks for that, so you are saying the state when the leds are on is when the sensors see light and when they see no light the leds go off ? Ill get on to it in the morn thanks are they repairable or can you get new ones thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:39 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Optical Switchs Like Ron asked, the white connectors were on the oldest built optical switches(1979 or so). The red ends were the newer built models. They had literally brighter LEDs in them. Rowe then had to put control pots in the circuit. I have only needed to re-adjust them. If you put the control in the middle of the travel, it should be correct. To test one, remove it from the mech, put the juke in service, with a mini screwdriver in your other hand, look at the LEDs, Index and Home, which both should be ON. Slowly slide the blade of the screwdriver down in the U-shaped opening. The 'H' LED should go OFF( because you are blocking the infrared light path) then it will come back ON. Still sliding the blade down, the 'I' LED will go OFF and come back ON at the bottom of the 'U'. I once had the 2 LEDs fire cross wards. Once you put the switch back in, adjust it per the manual. You should also check the pin connectors on the PC board and in the connector itself. I remove the pins, clean them, reshape them, re solder them if necessary, and return them one at a time to their slots. I re solder all my board pins and clean them. If you do swap parts from another jukebox, remember the R-84 was built in 1979, and the parts you are using could be 30 years old too. John the Jukebox Man _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From grahamricho at hotmail.com Sat Jan 24 16:19:49 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:20:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe ami optical switch Message-ID: Hi thanks I took the switch off, and the leds did not light up ? checked all connectors and all seems fine, i put my multi meter on the switch and the slate-black wire is o/c with the meter on diode tester and measured each way round ? I thought i would get a reading one way round? same with all other pins all o/c ? The connection block is a white block with a black optical switch ? any ideas ? or where i can get another ? From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Jan 24 16:25:38 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:26:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion Message-ID: <95D9C4C9A925450FBD1E37D46EAA5DEC@VistaServer> OK Bob, I'll Bite! These are all 78's Comedy Great Pretender, Stan Freeberg, Capitol Buchannan & Goodman On Trial, Buchannan & Goodman, Luniverse Flying saucer Pt 1 & 2 Same as above Rockers No Chemise Please , Bob Granahan, Sunbeam Records Movin' and Groovin', Duane Eddy, Jamie I've got my sights on someone new, Roddy Jackson, Specialty Got a Lotta' livin to do, Elvis Presley, Rca Super rare Let's Twist Again, Chubby Checker, Rca Victor Uruguay pressing Teenager in love, Dion and the Belmont's, Laurie (blue label) She loves you, The Beatles, Swan (I Think) Just a few of the neat ones I have, Who has something else neat?? Mel From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Jan 24 16:41:13 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:42:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion Message-ID: I Almost forgot..... Bop-A-Lena, Ronnie Self, Columbia Playing as I type That song will really test an amp! Mines on the Wurlitzer 1600AHF! Don't you know Yaco Mo, Huey Piano Smith, Ace Sea cruise, Frankie Ford, Ace South of the Border, Benny Goodman, Columbia I've been collecting for many years, I grew up in a Baltimore inner city neighborhood, lots of record shops, always good deals. Especially true when the new 45's came out and caught on, they were giving the 78's away in the late 60's, they were clearing the junk off their shelves! (lucky me) From drjukebox at gmail.com Sat Jan 24 16:43:07 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:44:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion In-Reply-To: References: <20090124200004.6EA1AAAC09@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690901241643t78e793ebn4254a6b0b39b6656@mail.gmail.com> Some contenders for weirdness The Laughing Record (1923, 78 rpm) "The Original Crepitation Contest" on Beacon 308 33 rpm. Competitors Lord Windesphere and mr Boomer. I don't have the legendary "Three minutes of silence" - anybody have it or seen it? Unusual - for gambling - Horse race multitrack 78 - place your bets! Jens On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Bob Fav wrote:. Hey to > > continue this discussion - what are some of the weirdest, coolest, most > unusual records you have? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 16:49:53 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:50:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion In-Reply-To: <95D9C4C9A925450FBD1E37D46EAA5DEC@VistaServer> Message-ID: <684262.8442.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here's the ones to keep an eye out for (The Beatles). I'd love to have a couple of these in my M100-A, but not for the estimated values listed here: http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/kirkland/266/btls/in/in78.htm David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From jjblue4 at juno.com Sat Jan 24 16:53:52 2009 From: jjblue4 at juno.com (jjblue4@juno.com) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:57:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion Message-ID: <20090124.165508.3884.16.jjblue4@juno.com> "Hey to continue this discussion - what are some of the weirdest, coolest, most unusual records you have" Well I just picked one up of the blue jays, its a coral banded 78, can't find nothing about it. I probably have more but just don't know what I have. Jason On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:35:08 -0500 Bob Fav writes: > > It is really great to hear the banter on collectible 78's, and I > guess there > is no right answer. I have amassed way too many R&R 78's and in > many cases > paid way more than I could get today. But I will tell you - they > ALL go in > the jukebox! No, I don't use the lollipop head in the 700, I > figured long > ago that the supersound kit was cheaper than ruining every cool 78 I > came > across. > > But the juke gets them all - Over The Rainbow by Judy, Be Bop A > lula, lots > of Elvis, Santa Baby by Eartha Kitt, and the real gem - Blue Suede > Shoes by > Carl Perkins - yes, on Sun. Wish I had that Buddy Holly though! > > And Jackie, do you have the Rudy Vallee Hit-of-the-week with his > picture on > the back? If not, I will send photos. > > If I ever get to retire, or the mortgage business gets any worse - I > may > start a used 78 business, I have way more than I will ever use. Hey > to > continue this discussion - what are some of the weirdest, coolest, > most > unusual records you have? Mine are Petula Clark on 78 and W.C. > Fields on > 45. > > Bob in RI > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > ____________________________________________________________ Love chocolate? Click now and indulge your passion! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3MSCLuUpffEUUGcmMhpFIpRLk3niFmQT9WLYBtmr9Kcmcpg/ From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sat Jan 24 17:20:43 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Sat Jan 24 17:27:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/2009 7:51:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, david_breneman@yahoo.com writes: > http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/kirkland/266/btls/in/in78.htm > David, Thanks for the information. I wonder if Paul or Ringo have these valuable 78s in their personal collections for sentimental value? I was in radio broadcasting in the Augusta, Georgia market back in the early 1980s and became friends with the late James Brown. That is one question that I wished that I had asked him. "James, did you keep any of the early valuable 78 rpms records of your recordings in your collection?" The last time that I met with James, he gave me a copy of his album titled Popcorn. I asked him to personally inscribe and sign it to me. I happened to be on the phone with my mother and asked her if she would like to speak with James. Of course she said yes. Well, during his conversation with her, he inscribed and signed the copy to her! Mom has since passed away and every time I see that album, I always think of her and James. I feel good!!!! You guys are great! Have a wonderful weekend and keep the jukes rockin'...right Jackie!! Bently From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sat Jan 24 17:33:33 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Sat Jan 24 17:40:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion Message-ID: Yes, the laughing record is great! I have a copy and have a blast playing it on my Victor V horn phonograph. Also highly recommended to all is the Victor 78 called: What Killed The Dog, by Nat Wills. This is a very, very funny record. It is pretty affordable and worth it if you can find it. Some of the very early Victor stuff is great also. Almost impossible to find, and pretty pricey is Billy Murray and Ada Jones singing, Come Josephine In My Flying Machine. This is a fun record!! Grab it if you can find it. Bently From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Sat Jan 24 19:25:30 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Sat Jan 24 19:27:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion References: Message-ID: <2B44C8F82E8B43D592F8CA51E91ECE00@DFLXW121> I'm not sure if it falls under weird or unusual, but my Parakeet Training Record (78 rpm) is definitely an odd-ball. Coolest would have to be my collection of Vogue 78 rpm picture disks. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Fav" To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion > Hey to > continue this discussion - what are some of the weirdest, coolest, most > unusual records you have? Mine are Petula Clark on 78 and W.C. Fields on > 45. > > Bob in RI From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 19:33:05 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Jan 24 19:34:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion In-Reply-To: References: <20090124200004.6EA1AAAC09@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <008d01c97e9d$a326e410$e974ac30$@net> Just bought a lot of 500 45's last week and I now own a copy of Dr. Martin Luther Kings "I have a dream speech" and a 45 that will teach your parakeet how to talk. Don't know if it will work as I don't own a parakeet...lol. How's that for unusual! Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bob Fav Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:35 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion It is really great to hear the banter on collectible 78's, and I guess there is no right answer. I have amassed way too many R&R 78's and in many cases paid way more than I could get today. But I will tell you - they ALL go in the jukebox! No, I don't use the lollipop head in the 700, I figured long ago that the supersound kit was cheaper than ruining every cool 78 I came across. But the juke gets them all - Over The Rainbow by Judy, Be Bop A lula, lots of Elvis, Santa Baby by Eartha Kitt, and the real gem - Blue Suede Shoes by Carl Perkins - yes, on Sun. Wish I had that Buddy Holly though! And Jackie, do you have the Rudy Vallee Hit-of-the-week with his picture on the back? If not, I will send photos. If I ever get to retire, or the mortgage business gets any worse - I may start a used 78 business, I have way more than I will ever use. Hey to continue this discussion - what are some of the weirdest, coolest, most unusual records you have? Mine are Petula Clark on 78 and W.C. Fields on 45. Bob in RI _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1905 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 6:54 PM From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 22:46:26 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Sat Jan 24 22:47:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ROWE Optical Switches Message-ID: <74065.73046.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I would check your pin connections. I don't think you can test continuity of an infrared LED with just a multimeter.?I started in this business in March of 1980, when the Rowe R-84 came out. (the 1st?model to use the optical switch) I?have rarely seen a bad switch, its usually a poor connection. I?would guess you could try an on line auction site?to buy one, or I understand abjukeboxrepair.com has parts, or a Rowe distributor. You might only be able to get a red one, and you might need to get a newer mech board to go with it. If you have never worked on the mech board, I would re-work it. You could be losing the 8 volts at P206. Check the schematic. Have I stressed enough that the unit could be 30 years old. When I re-work a board, I wire brush the back and the pins?and re-solder all the connections.(even if I had worked on it myself before, as in, I don't trust the connections to be good) John the Jukebox Man From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 01:06:43 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Jan 25 01:07:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion In-Reply-To: <2B44C8F82E8B43D592F8CA51E91ECE00@DFLXW121> Message-ID: <352773.48149.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Jon Scaptura wrote: > I'm not sure if it falls under weird or unusual, but my > Parakeet Training Record (78 rpm) is definitely an odd-ball. "Hello. Hello, ba-by. Hello. Hello, ba-by. Hello, ba-by wanta-kiss? Hello, ba-by wanta-kiss? Good morning. Good morning. Good morning, timeto-eat! Good morning, timeto-eat! Happy days. Happy days. Happy days, sweet-heart. Happy days, sweet-heart." "Teaching a parakeet to talk is fun! But the old method took too much time and practice..." I made a great radio bit from that once. From grahamricho at hotmail.com Sun Jan 25 03:47:45 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Sun Jan 25 03:49:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami r84 optical switch Message-ID: Hi thanks again... I have the manual for the Jukebox but do not have any Schematics, does anybody have one for the mech for the Rowe Ami ? i would have thought you would get the schematics with the manual ? Will rework/clean all pins today....The detent led and mag motor led are lit, its just the optical index and home leds which are not ? thanks again From digital.john at btopenworld.com Sun Jan 25 04:54:28 2009 From: digital.john at btopenworld.com (digital.john@btopenworld.com) Date: Sun Jan 25 05:02:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 Message-ID: <4913.60051.qm@web86604.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hello I have two problems. I just replaced the mute/play switch. When switched on the 1.6 amp fuse in the amp has blown a couple of times and before it's blown?without any selector pins up the record lift arm continuously raises and lowers. The other problem is the amp has been recapped and checked out but the left channel is louder and seems to have more bass than the right. Any help appreciated. John? From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Sun Jan 25 05:47:53 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Sun Jan 25 05:53:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion References: <352773.48149.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <35AF6287FD3749B4AD1D0D2A143529B2@DFLXW121> That's the one... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:06 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Jon Scaptura wrote: > >> I'm not sure if it falls under weird or unusual, but my >> Parakeet Training Record (78 rpm) is definitely an odd-ball. > > "Hello. > Hello, ba-by. > Hello. > Hello, ba-by. > Hello, ba-by wanta-kiss? > Hello, ba-by wanta-kiss? > > Good morning. > Good morning. > Good morning, timeto-eat! > Good morning, timeto-eat! > > Happy days. > Happy days. > Happy days, sweet-heart. > Happy days, sweet-heart." > > "Teaching a parakeet to talk is fun! > But the old method took too much time > and practice..." > > > I made a great radio bit from that once. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Jan 25 07:02:32 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun Jan 25 07:03:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion References: Message-ID: Right Bently! I have this 78 called "More Beer" (I think?) and I don't know who sings it but I need to dig that one out, I had forgotten all about it. It takes time to sit and go through all those records...relaxing for sure. I have really enjoyed this thread and laughed about the Parakeet Record, I have one too...and a bird to go with it! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion > In a message dated 1/24/2009 7:51:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, > david_breneman@yahoo.com writes: > > >> http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/kirkland/266/btls/in/in78.htm >> > > David, > > Thanks for the information. I wonder if Paul or Ringo have these valuable > 78s in their personal collections for sentimental value? I was in radio > broadcasting in the Augusta, Georgia market back in the early 1980s and > became > friends with the late James Brown. That is one question that I wished > that I had > asked him. "James, did you keep any of the early valuable 78 rpms records > of > your recordings in your collection?" > > The last time that I met with James, he gave me a copy of his album titled > Popcorn. I asked him to personally inscribe and sign it to me. I > happened to > be on the phone with my mother and asked her if she would like to speak > with > James. Of course she said yes. Well, during his conversation with her, > he > inscribed and signed the copy to her! Mom has since passed away and every > time I > see that album, I always think of her and James. I feel good!!!! > > You guys are great! Have a wonderful weekend and keep the jukes > rockin'...right Jackie!! > > Bently > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 08:31:49 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Jan 25 08:32:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami r84 optical switch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <261754.72165.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In those daze, Rowe AMi had two "levels" of manuals--the one you have is the "field service manual" --the one you want is the "shop" service manual"--which may be hard to find--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/25/09, graham wrote: From: graham Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami r84 optical switch To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 3:47 AM Hi thanks again... I have the manual for the Jukebox but do not have any Schematics, does anybody have one for the mech for the Rowe Ami ? i would have thought you would get the schematics with the manual ? Will rework/clean all pins today....The detent led and mag motor led are lit, its just the optical index and home leds which are not ? thanks again _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 25 10:34:04 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 25 10:37:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] quick seeburg speaker voltage question... Message-ID: <20090125.133404.4581.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Dean: The voltage at the speaker's field coil is DC. It is the rectified voltage output of the 5U4 tube. The voltage value should be noted on your amp schematic. I believe it is about 330 volts,but I could be wrong. The DC resistance of the field coil element should be about 5200 ohms, in case you want to measure this value. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for great prices on a wide selection of keyboards! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9RDxh94ceNU0CCyuI6SIVUt7I2r6hhodTGzJ4bgHkfAYT3Q/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 25 11:18:57 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 25 11:20:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion Message-ID: <20090125.141857.21704.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Does anyone recall what has become of all the "V-Disc" 78 RPM records that were issued in the 40's? I believe these were issued by (or for) the U.S. Army during WW II in order to distribute current music to the troops stationed overseas. What made the V-Discs a unique listening experience was that many 40's-era best big-band era recording artists all collaborated to put out great new songs not recorded any where else. I've seen very few of these ever show up anywhere. Were these ever available to the public? I'm not sure if these were 10" or 12" discs. One of the latest (newest) pop recordings I remember seeing issued on 78 was Lonely Teardrops by Jackie Wilson. This was an American issue Brunswick record. I'm under the impression that 10" LP's were first issued circa 1950 in the US and that RCA introduced the 45 EP's and singles shortly afterward,along with their 45 RPM only phonos. The goal for the pop record industry was to put out hit singles more so than albums. Singles in the 50's were issued in both the 78 and 45 RPM formats. 78 production was decreased as the public gravitated to the new 7" vinyl singles. The later 78's were made of vinyl rather than the breakable,noisy shellac. 78 record production in the US was supposedly stopped in 1960. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Cut the cord and keep your hands free with a great sounding wireless headset. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8Tw2W8pYpYeiLCwwsR3bd9shYaFrGpmxTkmSrv9eUlMivoS/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 25 11:46:09 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 25 11:48:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 Message-ID: <20090125.144609.19617.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> This is a wild guess coming from a former Wurlitzer service tech. You are describing multiple problems occurring here. The mechanism stop switch is not engaging after a record is loaded. The transfer switch mechanism should stay in the normal position during the record scan cycle, then switch as soon as a pulled selector pin is hit by the crank arm. The mute/play assembly should switch after a record is loaded for play. It should switch back upon record reject. When these switches are replaced, the switch stroke adjustments usually need to be corrected. The symptom you describe where the mech search function won't stop running is a switching misfunction either in the mech control chassis (possibly a sticking relay) or a misfunction on the selector drum. As for all the other symptoms you mentioned here, did these all start happening after you changed the mute play switch? If yes, it sounds you made a wiring error when you installed the switch. You'll need to check the wiring against the service manual. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Now hear this! Click now for great prices on high quality outdoor speakers! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8rYXTmg26ywGIvYzWBJVs2cs4kFAAVLlaY1KdIT37gMSkjU/ From bobe at halted.com Sun Jan 25 12:08:49 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Sun Jan 25 12:24:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion In-Reply-To: <20090125.141857.21704.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090125.141857.21704.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <497CC6D1.6000801@halted.com> James Alexander wrote: > > Gentlemen: > Does anyone recall what has become of all the "V-Disc" 78 RPM records that were issued in the 40's? I believe these were issued by (or for) the U.S. Army during WW II in order to distribute current music to the troops stationed overseas. > What made the V-Discs a unique listening experience was that many 40's-era best big-band era recording artists all collaborated to put out great new songs not recorded any where else. > I've seen very few of these ever show up anywhere. Were these ever available to the public? I'm not sure if these were 10" or 12" discs. As it happens, I have been reading a fascinating book that I didn't expect to find so fascinating. It is "The Fabulous Victrola 45" by Phil Vourtsis. I originally bought it because I have been fixing up some early RCA 45 players I found at my dad's house, and I was hoping it had a product time-line, exploded diagrams and repair info (it did). However, it also has a couple of introductory chapters about the progress of recorded music, and the second chapter (which was written by Alexander Magoun and excerpted from another source) talks about the efforts to improve (and in some cases, suppress!) audio fidelity in both broadcasting and recorded media, which pretty much went hand-in-hand. He mentions the V-disks that were produced during World War II: "While record quality at home suffered for the duration, soldiers heard some of the future of disc records. To entertain the troops, the army's Special Services division commissioned RCA Victor to record and press "V-Disks". Victor made these twelve-inch 78's of pop, country, r'n'b, and classical music out of pure Vinylite. Without any filler, they generated minimal needle scratch; the limited press runs and care given to military products assured listeners of records with no manufacturing defects. The program began with a hundred thousand V-disks in September, 1943, and by war's end Victor and other companies were shipping over 330,000 every month." I can highly recommend this book to anyone interested in the history of phonographs! --Bob From drjukebox at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 13:45:32 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Sun Jan 25 13:46:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion In-Reply-To: <497CC6D1.6000801@halted.com> References: <20090125.141857.21704.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> <497CC6D1.6000801@halted.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690901251345o3ca1d6b0k4dd0c38a8ffedbf@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like a good read, Bob. V.discs were also about the only records released during the Petrillo recording ban 1942-44. They are collectible, but not necessarily rare. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-Disc Jens On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Bob E. wrote: > James Alexander wrote: > >> Gentlemen: >> Does anyone recall what has become of all the "V-Disc" 78 RPM records that >> were issued in the 40's? I believe these were issued by (or for) the >> U.S. Army during WW II in order to distribute current music to the troops >> stationed overseas. >> What made the V-Discs a unique listening experience was that many 40's-era >> best big-band era recording artists all collaborated to put out great new >> songs not recorded any where else. >> I've seen very few of these ever show up anywhere. Were these ever >> available to the public? I'm not sure if these were 10" or 12" discs. >> > > As it happens, I have been reading a fascinating book that I didn't expect > to find so fascinating. It is "The Fabulous Victrola 45" by Phil Vourtsis. > I originally bought it because I have been fixing up some early RCA 45 > players I found at my dad's house, and I was hoping it had a product > time-line, exploded diagrams and repair info (it did). However, it also has > a couple of introductory chapters about the progress of recorded music, and > the second chapter (which was written by Alexander Magoun and excerpted from > another source) talks about the efforts to improve (and in some cases, > suppress!) audio fidelity in both broadcasting and recorded media, which > pretty much went hand-in-hand. He mentions the V-disks that were produced > during World War II: > > "While record quality at home suffered for the duration, soldiers heard > some of the future of disc records. To entertain the troops, the army's > Special Services division commissioned RCA Victor to record and press > "V-Disks". Victor made these twelve-inch 78's of pop, country, r'n'b, and > classical music out of pure Vinylite. Without any filler, they generated > minimal needle scratch; the limited press runs and care given to military > products assured listeners of records with no manufacturing defects. The > program began with a hundred thousand V-disks in September, 1943, and by > war's end Victor and other companies were shipping over 330,000 every > month." > > I can highly recommend this book to anyone interested in the history of > phonographs! > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Sun Jan 25 14:27:05 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sun Jan 25 14:28:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pine Mountain/Atlanta Area Message-ID: <09AE9D74CFE44795BFEFAD0E898FF8BE@CCOSPC> Jim Alexander. Was that you that I have seen post to the list that is in the Atlanta area? If not, whomever it was: I had a customer call me last week with a Seeburg and a Rockola, unknown models, but both with tube amps leading me to believe they are probably jukeboxes out of the range of machine I feel most comfortable on (especially the Seeburg). This customer needs these jukeboxes picked up from his home, repaired, and redelivered back to his home. Based on what he told me, I doubt it will be a simple switch adjustment/house call type repair. Anyway, my question is: Is there a person on this list, better able to help this customer than I am? I will help him as a last resort, but I am loaded with work and these older jukeboxes are a bit out my normal preferences. TIA Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 25 15:36:42 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 25 15:38:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pine Mountain/Atlanta Area Message-ID: <20090125.183642.660.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Hello Karl: My home base is in Jonesboro, Ga, nr Fayetteville, which is approx. 20 miles southwest of Atlanta's Hartsfield Airport. I believe Pine Mountain is near LaGrange, GA (I'll have to check) which is probably about 75 miles away from Columbus. LaGrange is about a 60 mile drive for me. I'd be willing to make the service call & pickup here if the customer is willing to pay a reasonable travel charge. I have customers in the nearby Newnan area. I'm not aware of a posting coming from Pine Mountain Ga. on the list asking for service help with old jukes. A good percentage of my service work is for residential vinyl analog jukes. I tend to get buried in a lot of email traffic ----I manage it by deleting a lot of it. Let me know if I can assist, Jim Alexander Coin Computers PH 770 471 2155 email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Make sure your shower gets you clean. Click now for a high quality shower filter! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8sK3UKY1KlX0T7BQnjxepTtr8sjKB7KoKmyZda0I7X8tAia/ From ccos at knology.net Sun Jan 25 15:49:48 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sun Jan 25 15:51:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pine Mountain/Atlanta Area In-Reply-To: <20090125.183642.660.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090125.183642.660.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <3D9CE29A575C424BA93E6957942FB9D7@CCOSPC> Jim, Thanks for responding. This customer is not online, that I'm aware of. He was referred by another customer, I believe. He is supposed to call me one day early this week. With your permission, I will give him your contact information and let the two of you decide if you can do business or not. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Pine Mountain/Atlanta Area Hello Karl: My home base is in Jonesboro, Ga, nr Fayetteville, which is approx. 20 miles southwest of Atlanta's Hartsfield Airport. I believe Pine Mountain is near LaGrange, GA (I'll have to check) which is probably about 75 miles away from Columbus. LaGrange is about a 60 mile drive for me. I'd be willing to make the service call & pickup here if the customer is willing to pay a reasonable travel charge. I have customers in the nearby Newnan area. I'm not aware of a posting coming from Pine Mountain Ga. on the list asking for service help with old jukes. A good percentage of my service work is for residential vinyl analog jukes. I tend to get buried in a lot of email traffic ----I manage it by deleting a lot of it. Let me know if I can assist, Jim Alexander Coin Computers PH 770 471 2155 email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Make sure your shower gets you clean. Click now for a high quality shower filter! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8sK3UKY1KlX0T7BQnjxepTtr8sjKB7KoKmyZda0I7X8tAia/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 25 16:12:42 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 25 16:14:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion Message-ID: <20090125.191242.25821.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: One of the area FM radio stations here in Atlanta, GA featuring esoteric music programming (possibly NPR, not sure) recently came upon a supply of V-Disc recordings and made a 2 hour show out of them. Musically, there were a lot of "alternate" versions of 40's hits, not by the acts that made them famous, along with a lot of original recordings of new material by Glenn Miller, Artie Shaw, Louis Armstrong, Louis Jordan,Peggy Lee, Spike Jones, Margaret Whiting/Jimmy Wakely, Fats Waller ,Xavier Cugat, Bing Crosby and many others. Maybe RCA made/distributed the records, but the artists participating came from many other record labels besides RCA. The sound quality (on radio) seemed above the average you'd typically expect for a 40's recording--you could hear some drums/percussion and there was better-than-average high freq. response. The clicks,pops,and surface noise wasn't there. Some of the jazz tunes were long in length (about 6 min.) This would be almost impossible to record (timewise) onto a 10" 78 disc. You could tell, however that the recordings were mono and all musicians played live for the recording session. The DJ mentioned that they were spinning the original 78 discs for the show. These were not digitally remastered recordings. I do recall there being a period where the musician's union in New York prohibited players from working on recording sessions. (I read about it in an encyclopedia) If the V Discs were all 12" format, this probably explains why they never made it to jukeboxes. It's been interesting talking about this, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1241/?u=http://www.freeservers.com From ddedic at earthlink.net Sun Jan 25 11:36:49 2009 From: ddedic at earthlink.net (dale dedic) Date: Sun Jan 25 16:24:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion References: <20090125.141857.21704.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Several of them are on E-BAY right now. Looks like they are 12 inch. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion Gentlemen: Does anyone recall what has become of all the "V-Disc" 78 RPM records that were issued in the 40's? I believe these were issued by (or for) the U.S. Army during WW II in order to distribute current music to the troops stationed overseas. What made the V-Discs a unique listening experience was that many 40's-era best big-band era recording artists all collaborated to put out great new songs not recorded any where else. I've seen very few of these ever show up anywhere. Were these ever available to the public? I'm not sure if these were 10" or 12" discs. One of the latest (newest) pop recordings I remember seeing issued on 78 was Lonely Teardrops by Jackie Wilson. This was an American issue Brunswick record. I'm under the impression that 10" LP's were first issued circa 1950 in the US and that RCA introduced the 45 EP's and singles shortly afterward,along with their 45 RPM only phonos. The goal for the pop record industry was to put out hit singles more so than albums. Singles in the 50's were issued in both the 78 and 45 RPM formats. 78 production was decreased as the public gravitated to the new 7" vinyl singles. The later 78's were made of vinyl rather than the breakable,noisy shellac. 78 record production in the US was supposedly stopped in 1960. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Cut the cord and keep your hands free with a great sounding wireless headset. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8Tw2W8pYpYeiLCwwsR3bd9shYaFrGpmxTkmSrv9eUlMivoS/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 25 16:39:34 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 25 16:41:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion Message-ID: <20090125.193934.25821.2@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out. Jim A. ____________________________________________________________ Learn digital and video photography techniques, lighting and printing. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdQguENMfyc7Fm7XDGbIgD3ygpmjMwkokzvmzP0aXaSgEYO/ From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Sun Jan 25 16:54:05 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Sun Jan 25 17:01:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion In-Reply-To: <20090125.191242.25821.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <134680.96564.qm@web96008.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi James, I have some monsters of LP's made for the services in the 1940's they were a shellac disc, same composition as a 78rpm but ran at 33 1/3rpm and are around 18" in diameter very similar to the old vita phone disc's used in the early days of talkies at the cinema. building up a turntable to find out whats on them... something of interest i suppose. regards john --- On Mon, 26/1/09, James Alexander wrote: > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Received: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 1:12 PM > Gentlemen: > One of the area FM radio stations here in Atlanta, GA > featuring esoteric music programming (possibly NPR, not > sure) recently came upon a supply of V-Disc recordings and > made a 2 hour show out of them. > Musically, there were a lot of "alternate" > versions of 40's hits, not by the acts that made them > famous, along with a lot of original recordings of new > material by Glenn Miller, Artie Shaw, Louis Armstrong, Louis > Jordan,Peggy Lee, Spike Jones, Margaret Whiting/Jimmy > Wakely, Fats Waller ,Xavier Cugat, Bing Crosby and many > others. > > Maybe RCA made/distributed the records, but the > artists participating came from many other record labels > besides RCA. > The sound quality (on radio) seemed above the average > you'd typically expect for a 40's recording--you > could hear some drums/percussion and there was > better-than-average high freq. response. The clicks,pops,and > surface noise wasn't there. Some of the jazz tunes were > long in length (about 6 min.) This would be almost > impossible to record (timewise) onto a 10" 78 disc. > You could tell, however that the recordings were mono and > all musicians played live for the recording session. > The DJ mentioned that they were spinning the original 78 > discs for the show. These were not digitally remastered > recordings. I do recall there being a period where the > musician's union in New York prohibited players from > working on recording sessions. (I read about it in an > encyclopedia) > > If the V Discs were all 12" > format, this probably explains why they never made it to > jukeboxes. > It's been interesting talking about this, > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! > http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1241/?u=http://www.freeservers.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 18:31:56 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Jan 25 18:32:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion In-Reply-To: <134680.96564.qm@web96008.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <376789.47162.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 1/25/09, John Wilson wrote: > I have some monsters of LP's made for the services in > the 1940's they were a shellac disc, same composition as > a 78rpm but ran at 33 1/3rpm and are around 18" in > diameter very similar to the old vita phone disc's used > in the early days of talkies at the cinema. building up a > turntable to find out whats on them... What you're describing sound like transcription disks. They are 16" in diameter, and cut with a 3 mil groove like 78s. They are pressed in vinyl, not shellac (although a few shellac transcriptions were released by syndicators in the early/mid 1930s). They are not by any definition of the word LPs. Like the Vitaphone disks (they are of the same format) they play about 15 minutes. And like the V-Disks, they were exempt from the "recording ban" strike that pretty well shut down the record companies for most of the 1940s. Many of them were released by the government as series such as "Proudly We Hail", "Treasury Song Parade", "Salute to Veterans", etc. They allowed radio stations to play hit songs "for the war effort" as long as they included the PBS-like "pledge drive" announcements that came with them. My favorite "Treasury Song Parade" disk is Walt Disney introducing songs from several of his current films, alongs with plugs to buy war bonds. At one point he lectures Donald Duck to buy war bonds to help "Uncle Sam buy our boys guns, tanks, and bombers." "Guns?! Tanks?! Bombers?!" replies Donald, "Boy, oh boy!!" Sort of a foretaste of Disney's later appearances as host of his TV shows. There are commercially available turntables capable of playing 16" disks. Example here: http://www.esotericsound.com/Turntable_Picture_REK-O-KUT_CVS-16.htm Many of the record players used by school districts in the 1950s-1970s (such as Garrard or Califone models) can play 16" transcriptions as well. Picking one up used is an economical way to enjoy these records. From deanmink2003 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 20:00:46 2009 From: deanmink2003 at yahoo.com (Dean Mi nk) Date: Sun Jan 25 20:01:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? Message-ID: <375814.21428.qm@web38805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can someone explain what exactly is?the dummy plug for? My M100BL doesn't have one and I'm wondering if I need it. In my schematic it looks like basically a set of jumpers. Thanks From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 25 20:56:56 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 25 20:59:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion Message-ID: <20090125.235656.3333.1@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> John: If you're interested in being able to play these transcriptions, the specially built phono turntables for these sometimes show up for sale with old film projection equipment and theater gear. I believe these early discs issued by Warner Bros were called Vitaphone. The big discs for film were revived in the early 50's, I believe for Cinerama, in order to achieve a stereo playback. These vinyl records were either 33 or 16 RPM and contained the film soundtrack as two side-by-side mono tracks. The tone arm used to play the record looked like a tuning fork with two phono cartridges. Each disc was long enough to match the length of a film reel, which I believe is 18 minutes. The audio playback system in the theatre was 3 channel, which had a left speaker, a right speaker, and a center L + R mix which operated at lower volume. Apparently at the time, the studios didn't want to use sound on tape or put a stereo soundtrack onto the optical sound recording,which was the norm for the time. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get the best Criminal Lawyer. Click Here http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAYbWVhGPu05G7qg7wd0xNagqBu0JgTeo3iWanr1zejEdCz0/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Jan 25 21:05:25 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Jan 25 21:08:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? Message-ID: <20090126.000525.3333.2@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Dean This is the dummy plug socket on the Seeburg MRA amplifier?? If yes, this socket is used to connect a wired remote control box to the jukebox. The remote box was usually mounted behind the bar or in a waiters' work station. The functions on the remote were remote volume control, (which bypassed the key-op volume control on the amplifier, hence the jumper wires) and a record reject button. Some remotes could provide a power on-off function. Either the remote control box or the jumper plug needs to be plugged in for the amp to work correctly. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get the best Criminal Lawyer. Click Here http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAYbWmcbzhMNfrEncESYCXw7Xw1lxZvmJ7cUEH0wmd58JP0i/ From deanmink2003 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 04:21:37 2009 From: deanmink2003 at yahoo.com (Dean Mi nk) Date: Mon Jan 26 04:22:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? Message-ID: <489505.62908.qm@web38801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Jim, yes I'm referring to an MRA3 amp. What kind of problems would not having a dummy plug connected cause? Right now I have power to the field coil of the speaker but no sound just a faint hum. ? --- On Sun, 1/25/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 11:05 PM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Dean This is the dummy plug socket on the Seeburg MRA amplifier?????If yes, this socket is used to connect a wired remote control box to the jukebox.? The remote box was usually mounted behind the bar or in a waiters' work station.? ? The functions on the remote were remote volume control, (which bypassed the key-op volume control on the amplifier, hence the jumper wires) and a record reject button.? Some remotes could provide a power on-off function.???Either the remote control box or the jumper plug needs to be plugged in for the amp to work correctly. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get the best Criminal Lawyer. Click Here http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAYbWmcbzhMNfrEncESYCXw7Xw1lxZvmJ7cUEH0wmd58JP0i/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Jan 26 06:51:05 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Jan 26 06:53:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? Message-ID: <20090126.095105.7106.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Dean: The lack of this dummy plug could likely solve your "no audio" problem. Without it, there is no volume control circuit loading the amplifier. This would cause the symptoms you are experiencing. It may not be too easy to find the genuine Seeburg dummy plug assembly. The connector needed is usually an Amphenol (8 pin?) tube socket connector. (Sorry, I'm not exactly sure what connector model is needed here without looking it up) A simple solution would be to buy the male mating connector, and wire up your own equivalent circuit. The dummy plug's jumper circuits should be shown at the amplifier schematic in your service manual. You should be able to buy the connector from a local electronic parts supply house or from an online supplier like Parts Express, Antique Radio Supply or Vern Tisdale. Let me know if you need further assistance with this. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Embrace e-commerce and sell your products or services online. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx98mZ2XSpU8JKDbozUoN4EUUDkdWo93wKpTVaaS51Fib6Xsq/ From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Jan 26 07:02:12 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Mon Jan 26 06:58:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Message-ID: <200901261002254.SM03736@[192.168.1.206]> Had to chime in as well. My office had become a maze simply because I had dozens and dozens of plastic milk containers all over the place filled with 78s. I purchase records at local estate sales. Rather than going through the records one at a time while other folks are around, I sometimes elect just to shell out 20 - 50 bucks and get a boat load of records and deal with the overhead later. Well.. I sadly dealt with the overhead last week. I eliminated 4 boxes of 78s - each both holding about 100 or more. Things like Andrews Sisters, Guy Lombardo, Vaughn Monroe, Dinah Shore, Sammy Kaye, and dozens of "unknown" folks. I always considered these "throw-aways" where the music wasn't bad, but it just wasn't worth putting into a jukebox. Like "Square-Dance" call records! Who wants those in a jukebox?? Anyway, I was going to take them to the Salvation Army, but I'll put them up for grabs to anyone who wants them. No... I will not put together a list of what's in there, but there's a lot and they're free for the taking. I don't think I want to ship them...but who knows. Contact me off the list if you're interested. Aaron From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 08:49:16 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 26 08:50:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? In-Reply-To: <20090126.000525.3333.2@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <866518.77929.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dean, Look at the bottom of the socket--many times the "dummy" is "lost" and the socket is jumpered--that's the case if your amp is making sound, for without the "dummy", or a "remote VC" ?being pluged into the socket, or the socket being "jumpered" the amp can't work. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/25/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 9:05 PM Dean This is the dummy plug socket on the Seeburg MRA amplifier?? If yes, this socket is used to connect a wired remote control box to the jukebox. The remote box was usually mounted behind the bar or in a waiters' work station. The functions on the remote were remote volume control, (which bypassed the key-op volume control on the amplifier, hence the jumper wires) and a record reject button. Some remotes could provide a power on-off function. Either the remote control box or the jumper plug needs to be plugged in for the amp to work correctly.. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get the best Criminal Lawyer. Click Here http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAYbWmcbzhMNfrEncESYCXw7Xw1lxZvmJ7cUEH0wmd58JP0i/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 11:38:49 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Mon Jan 26 11:39:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 LEDs Message-ID: <743686.17399.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> To clarify, if your 'mag motor' LED is on, power is going to the magazine motor, and the 'detent' LED is on, which is the lever that releases the basket, then the basket should be turning. If not then I would 're-work' all the boards. John the Jukebox Man From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 12:37:12 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 26 12:38:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg mod. "G" ? Message-ID: <475017.65907.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Buy any chance does anyone happen to have a Seeburg model HF100G book that they could check something in, for me? If so, Please contact me off list at ronnnrich@yayoo.com?? Thanks !? Ron?Rich From grahamricho at hotmail.com Mon Jan 26 12:43:46 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Mon Jan 26 12:44:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 LEDs References: <743686.17399.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi sorry..the mag motor led is on, the detent led is not on and no index and home led are on....The carosel just rotates all the time thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:38 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-84 LEDs > To clarify, if your 'mag motor' LED is on, power is going to the magazine > motor, and the 'detent' > LED is on, which is the lever that releases the basket, then the basket > should be turning. If > not then I would 're-work' all the boards. > > > > > > John the Jukebox Man > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 26 13:36:21 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Jan 26 13:37:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records Message-ID: <493279.79212.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Aaron's post struck a chord with me. Often times I'll buy a 'lot' of 78s just to get my hands on one or two I really want from the lot. My intention has always been to put the 'run-off' back on eBay or something. Yeah, I have been planning this for a looooong time and the prospects for that happening are slim to none. The time it takes to put an auction together and the fees eBay (and PayPal) charge make the task most distasteful. So, here I am in the same predicament as Aaron: a bunch of 78s I just don't want but, being the tree-hugging bleeding-heart liberal that I am, I cannot bring myself to just putting them into the landfill. Here in Chicago we used to have an annual autumn week-long event called the "Mammoth Music Mart" . All year long they took donations of records, instruments, you name it; and then put it all up for sale as a fundraiser for Lou Gerhig's Disease. For whatever reason the Mart was discontinued a number of years ago. Too bad for two things: 1) If you got there on day-one you could find some pretty incredible 78s and 45s (a buck apiece!) 2) Now there is no place to dump those unwanted 78s (without feeling guilty). So, anybody out there have suggestions for a humane means of thinning out one's collection? Bob - Chicago From maddleso at gmu.edu Mon Jan 26 14:28:17 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Mon Jan 26 14:29:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <20090123200003.1ABE3AADAC@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090123200003.1ABE3AADAC@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Re: idler wheel diameter. Between David Breneman and Homer87015 you've resolved something that has been bugging me for years. Thank you. I moved to the US with my AMI J built for a 50Hz market and - before the era of jukebox lists - tried various o-rings to reduce the diameter of the idler wheel (the old 'tire' was hard and smooth). I even remade the tire using silicone. It works nicely and lasts, but, when you're making it, it's a bit of job keeping the diameter even. Apparently, removing the spring on the spindle got the speed right. It had nothing to do with the diameter of the idler wheel. I wish I'd been paying attention in the physics class! Mark --------------- An idler wheel transfers its linear surface velocity, not it's rotational velocity, from the driving shaft to the driven shaft. That surface velocity is always the same, no matter what the diameter. Only the diameters of the driving and driven shafts determine the speed of rotation of the driven shaft (which, in the case of a rim-drive turntable, is driven from the inside -- but it's still a shaft). From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 26 15:03:59 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Jan 26 15:05:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] USC-2 No B Sides Message-ID: All A sides Play fine. Any B Selection does not even energize the play control solenoid. Does Take selection from the keypad ok. 1st digit, 2nd digit, etc. Grey Box or Control Center? Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_012009 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 16:08:05 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 26 16:09:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] USC-2 No B Sides In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <826522.33636.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, What happens after the third digit, on the "@" side is pushed--does the "reset" lamp light (at any time) ? Will it play # 122 ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 1/26/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] USC-2 No B Sides To: "jukebox list" Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 3:03 PM All A sides Play fine. Any B Selection does not even energize the play control solenoid. Does Take selection from the keypad ok. 1st digit, 2nd digit, etc. Grey Box or Control Center? Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_012009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lralkie at shaw.ca Mon Jan 26 16:41:05 2009 From: lralkie at shaw.ca (Len Ralkie) Date: Mon Jan 26 16:42:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records References: <493279.79212.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do you have a Chicago Recycle site on the net. Here in Winnipeg where I live you can offer anything free and someone always takes it. It is designed to keep useable things out of the landfills. Im sure if you could offer them on a site like this somebody would be glad to take them. Another alternative is to offer them free on the jukebox list. Someone might want them for the price of shipping. ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records > Aaron's post struck a chord with me. > > Often times I'll buy a 'lot' of 78s just to get my hands on one or two I > really want from the lot. My intention has always been to put the > 'run-off' back on eBay or something. Yeah, I have been planning this for a > looooong time and the prospects for that happening are slim to none. The > time it takes to put an auction together and the fees eBay (and PayPal) > charge make the task most distasteful. So, here I am in the same > predicament as Aaron: a bunch of 78s I just don't want but, being the > tree-hugging bleeding-heart liberal that I am, I cannot bring myself to > just putting them into the landfill. > > Here in Chicago we used to have an annual autumn week-long event called > the "Mammoth Music Mart" . All year long they took donations of records, > instruments, you name it; and then put it all up for sale as a fundraiser > for Lou Gerhig's Disease. For whatever reason the Mart was discontinued a > number of years ago. Too bad for two things: 1) If you got there on > day-one you could find some pretty incredible 78s and 45s (a buck apiece!) > 2) Now there is no place to dump those unwanted 78s (without feeling > guilty). > > So, anybody out there have suggestions for a humane means of thinning out > one's collection? > > Bob - Chicago > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Nomojoxrx at aol.com Mon Jan 26 17:07:06 2009 From: Nomojoxrx at aol.com (Nomojoxrx@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 26 17:15:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100J replacement cartridge Message-ID: In 1981, a year before I bought the 100J from the previous owner, she had a replacement pickup cartridge installed ("Arista" 2080-1). I have tried to find info on this unit in hopes of getting replacement needles, but nobody seems to know anything about "Arista". I have decent close-up digital photos of the cartridge if anyone is interested in helping me learn more of this cartridge and which needle(s) I need. Thanks ************** Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) From nipper45 at verizon.net Mon Jan 26 18:17:44 2009 From: nipper45 at verizon.net (John Lee) Date: Mon Jan 26 18:18:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100J replacement cartridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0KE3009IDYDB5A65@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Sounds like the old "Thorpe" stereo conversion cartridge from the 70s. I have one of these in my R that I bought in 1977. Mine is a "Varco" cartridge and takes the fork-shaped kiddie phonograph needles (EV 2829D). My 70s EV catalog doesn't list Arista either, but these cartridges usually used either the above needle, or some later versions have a similar needle that has a clip instead of a screw to attach it. If this doesn't match your cartridge, email me the photo and I'll see if I can find anything similar in the book. At 05:07 PM 1/26/2009, you wrote: >In 1981, a year before I bought the 100J from the previous owner, she had a >replacement pickup cartridge installed ("Arista" 2080-1). I have >tried to find >info on this unit in hopes of getting replacement needles, but >nobody seems to >know anything about "Arista". I have decent close-up digital photos of the >cartridge if anyone is interested in helping me learn more of this >cartridge and >which needle(s) I need. Thanks > > >************** >Know Your Numbers: Get tips and >tools to help you improve your credit score. >(http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1916 - Release Date: >1/26/2009 7:08 AM From seeburgt at pacbell.net Mon Jan 26 19:14:53 2009 From: seeburgt at pacbell.net (Tony Miller) Date: Mon Jan 26 19:15:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] USC-2 No B Sides In-Reply-To: <826522.33636.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <826522.33636.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090127031555.34AC7AAA0D@lists.netlojix.com> At 04:08 PM 1/26/2009, you wrote: Rick; Assuming B sides actually result in the selection counter advancing, etc., check the connections to the contact block under the Tormat. Either one is bent, or there is a broken wire. Cheers, Tony Miller >Rick, >What happens after the third digit, on the "@" >side is pushed--does the "reset" lamp light (at any time) ? >Will it play # 122 ? Ron Rich > >--- On Mon, 1/26/09, rick murray wrote: > >From: rick murray >Subject: [Jukebox-list] USC-2 No B Sides >To: "jukebox list" >Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 3:03 PM > >All A sides Play fine. Any B Selection does not even energize the play control >solenoid. > Does Take selection from the keypad ok. 1st digit, 2nd digit, etc. > >Grey Box or Control Center? > >Thanks > >Rick > >_________________________________________________________________ >Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. >http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_012009_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 19:54:38 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Jan 26 19:55:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100J replacement cartridge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <813486.28936.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Try www.needles4jukeboxes.com? Ron Rich? --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Nomojoxrx@aol.com wrote: From: Nomojoxrx@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100J replacement cartridge To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:07 PM In 1981, a year before I bought the 100J from the previous owner, she had a replacement pickup cartridge installed ("Arista" 2080-1). I have tried to find info on this unit in hopes of getting replacement needles, but nobody seems to know anything about "Arista". I have decent close-up digital photos of the cartridge if anyone is interested in helping me learn more of this cartridge and which needle(s) I need. Thanks ************** Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinballrepair at paradise.net.nz Mon Jan 26 20:27:38 2009 From: pinballrepair at paradise.net.nz (Iain Jamieson) Date: Mon Jan 26 20:44:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 480 Custom IC Message-ID: <497E8D3A.1070502@paradise.net.nz> Hi Everyone, I'm working on a Rockola 480 (Techna), that has two faults. The 1st being that instead of rotating the magazine once at startup, it would immediately play a record at whatever position the magazine was in, except if it was at home. the cycle would continue over and over, if you reject the record, it would put it away then take out the same record, same side, over and over. After looking through my 488 manuals (I believe there are changes on this mechanism logic board to the 480) I narrowed the fault to the IC401 on the Mech Logic board. Pin 19 is the STOP pin. It should be low while in rest and in scan and goes high to stop and make the selection. This IC is stuck high. I have bent the pin up and the magazine will scan correctly and then stop at home because it can find the selection as it thinks the signal is low all the time. So, I think I am correct in saying that this IC has failed. Can anyone tell me if this is a custom IC and if anyone on the list may have one for sale. The other fault it has is what I believe to be the motorboating issue as described in another post where the speakers make an extremely loud buzzing noise like a masonry drill and the overload light comes on. I have disconnected the terminal strip plug at the amp at this stage to get the first problem ironed out. Any advise on the IC401 would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Iain From Homer87015 at aol.com Tue Jan 27 01:58:12 2009 From: Homer87015 at aol.com (Homer87015@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 27 02:05:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 23 Message-ID: Pleased to be of help. David`s explanation is the most concise I`ve come across, he must be an engineer. I`m an "old school" tradesman- hence the bodging together of parts from other machines- well, the only alternative was to send the original idler to the USA ( from UK) and chance it getting lost in the post.Glad to have stumbled across the Bal-Ami jukes by accident. I honestly wouldn`t feel happy with the apparent complexities of other makes- or their prices ? . lol !...Best Wishes, Nige. ( in E. Sussex.UK) From deanmink2003 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 06:29:49 2009 From: deanmink2003 at yahoo.com (Dean Mi nk) Date: Tue Jan 27 06:30:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? Message-ID: <951500.8738.qm@web38807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone,?I jumpered the dummy plug and it works! Its sounds good but I think I need a new cartridge, can anyone recommend a good one for my jukebox? Also, I was?double checking?some resistors and found that the big ceramic one that comes off the 5U4 tube is listed as 1200 ohms,?but my meter is only showing 200 ohms. Could this effect sound? Here's the jukebox if anyone wants to see it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGMxam-BhvQ ? ? --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:49 AM Dean, Look at the bottom of the socket--many times the "dummy" is "lost" and the socket is jumpered--that's the case if your amp is making sound, for without the "dummy", or a "remote VC" ?being pluged into the socket, or the socket being "jumpered" the amp can't work. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 1/25/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 9:05 PM Dean This is the dummy plug socket on the Seeburg MRA amplifier?????If yes, this socket is used to connect a wired remote control box to the jukebox.? The remote box was usually mounted behind the bar or in a waiters' work station.? ? The functions on the remote were remote volume control, (which bypassed the key-op volume control on the amplifier, hence the jumper wires) and a record reject button.? Some remotes could provide a power on-off function.???Either the remote control box or the jumper plug needs to be plugged in for the amp to work correctly.. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get the best Criminal Lawyer. Click Here http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAYbWmcbzhMNfrEncESYCXw7Xw1lxZvmJ7cUEH0wmd58JP0i/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Tue Jan 27 06:48:53 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 27 06:56:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-83 Idler Wheel Spring Message-ID: <8CB4EA58215533A-AC0-2AE@WEBMAIL-MC02.sysops.aol.com> Does anyone have one they could sell me? Thanks- j From chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 27 09:04:36 2009 From: chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net (chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue Jan 27 09:05:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Custom label section on a Rock-ola Message-ID: <714714.47084.qm@web81601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Opened up my Rockola 442 for some cleaning... I noticed there is a part under the glass where you can make a custom label.? Someone had covered mine in black electrical tape so I did not even know it was there.? I pulled off the tape and it says "VALLEY MUSIC CO".? I assume this was for putting the name of the company that rented the jukebox. Anyways, is it possible for me to buy some of those letters for labeling?? I would like to customize mine if possible. Also, anyone know where/when Valley Music Co was in business?? I live in northern Illinois. From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Jan 27 10:21:25 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Jan 27 10:22:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? In-Reply-To: <951500.8738.qm@web38807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <951500.8738.qm@web38807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090127182053.M75733@dwave.net> Good job on the video Dean. Thanks for posting it. Jeremy Agema On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:29:49 -0800 (PST), Dean Mi nk wrote > Thanks everyone,?I jumpered the dummy plug and it works! > Its sounds good but I think I need a new cartridge, can anyone > recommend a good one for my jukebox? Also, I was?double > checking?some resistors and found that the big ceramic one that > comes off the 5U4 tube is listed as 1200 ohms,?but my meter is only > showing 200 ohms. Could this effect sound? Here's the jukebox if > anyone wants to see it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGMxam-BhvQ > ? ? > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:49 AM > > Dean, > Look at the bottom of the socket--many times the "dummy" is "lost" > and the socket is jumpered--that's the case if your amp is making > sound, for without the "dummy", or a "remote VC" ?being pluged into > the socket, or the socket being "jumpered" the amp can't work. Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 9:05 PM > > Dean > This is the dummy plug socket on the Seeburg MRA amplifier?????If > yes, this socket is used to connect a wired remote control box to > the jukebox.? The remote box was usually mounted behind the bar or > in a waiters' work station.? ? The functions on the remote were > remote volume control, (which bypassed the key-op volume control on > the amplifier, hence the jumper wires) and a record reject button.? > Some remotes could provide a power on-off function.???Either the > remote control box or the jumper plug needs to be plugged in for the > amp to work correctly.. Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get the best Criminal Lawyer. Click Here > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAYbWmcbzhMNfrEncESYCXw7X w1lxZvmJ7cUEH0wmd58JP0i/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jan 27 10:51:54 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jan 27 10:55:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? Message-ID: <20090127.135154.15337.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Dean: Are you reading the resistor with it in the circuit or do you have it disconnected? If you are metering the resistor while in circuit you may be reading a "sneak path" of the other circuitry. The resistor provides a voltage drop for the B+ voltage to the "front end" circuits of the amplifier that require lower operating voltage. If the resistor is truly reading only 200 ohms it should be replaced. As far as the sound quality of the machine goes, have you rebuilt the amp, where all the old filter and audio coupling capacitors get replaced? Caps deteriorate over time, and have a typical shelf life of 15 years. Failing caps will drift in value and will cause either a gradual deterioration of sound quality or will cause catastrophic failure of circuit (an amp stage can burn up). Reworking your original amp will should give you a significant improvement in audio fidelity. There are several cartridge upgrades available for the mono Seeburg 45 RPM jukes. Most of them will render an improvement in sound quality. The biggest gift a modern cartridge will bring to the table is better stylus compliance,lighter stylus tracking force, and the ability to play stereo records (in mono)without damaging them. Unfortunately, many of these pickups have been discontinued from manufacture. In your picture,it looks like your B is equipped is equipped with the "blackhead" magnetic cartridge. It's hard to tell. The best cartridge choice is a Pickering cartridge made for Seeburg called the 343-05. Sometimes you'll find these for sale on E Bay. Pickering was the original manufacturer of all the Seeburg dual-sided cartridges. A current production Seeburg conversion cartridge choice is offered by vendor Vern Tisdale. Visit his website at www.verntisdale.com. This cartridge is based upon the Pickering NP/AC stereo cartridge. If necessary, new 1 mil mono needles for your blackhead cartridge can be found at www.needles4jukeboxes.com A last choice,in my opinion, would be to buy an original Seeburg mono "redhead" cartridge and outfit it with .7mil stereo-compatible stylii. There are several other aftermarket conversion cartridges that were made in the 60's for Seeburg mono jukes. All of them were poor quality attempts and are not worth fooling around with. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Help is here! Click now for simple and easy Financial Advice. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9KddV7Or5Pnwc0vMsBWDYLIEJra6nMZdzBTu43FiKJMhNBE/ From deanmink2003 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 11:16:21 2009 From: deanmink2003 at yahoo.com (Dean Mi nk) Date: Tue Jan 27 11:17:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? Message-ID: <334386.63554.qm@web38805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim That reading was with the resistor hooked up, it must be a false reading and I'll check it again with it disconnected. The other big ceramic resistor is marked 185 ohm and when I checked that one hooked up it read 184 ohms. The cartridge I have just says "pickering seeburg magnetic" and these numbers..."245789 (8) 631 137" The amp has all new capacitors from a kit I bought from Jukebox Friday Night. I stopped at Radio Shack to get a new resistor but they didn't have anything to match the 1200 ohm 10 watt that I need to replace. They did have 100 ohm 10 watt ceramic ones, could I just connect 12 of them in series and use that if I need to? Thanks --- On Tue, 1/27/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:51 PM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Dean: Are you reading the resistor with it in the circuit or do you have it disconnected?? If you are metering the resistor while in circuit you may be reading a "sneak path" of the other circuitry. The resistor provides a voltage drop for the B+ voltage to the "front end" circuits of the amplifier that require lower operating voltage.? If the resistor is truly reading only 200 ohms it should be replaced. As far as the sound quality of the machine goes, have you rebuilt the amp, where all the old filter and audio coupling capacitors get replaced?? ? ???Caps deteriorate over time, and have a typical shelf life of 15 years.? ???Failing caps will drift in value and will cause either a gradual deterioration of sound quality or will cause catastrophic failure of circuit? (an amp stage can burn up).? ? Reworking your original amp will should give you a significant improvement in audio fidelity. There are several cartridge upgrades available for the mono Seeburg 45 RPM jukes. Most of them will render an improvement in sound quality.? The biggest gift a modern cartridge will bring to the table is better stylus compliance,lighter stylus tracking force, and the ability to play stereo records (in mono)without damaging them.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Unfortunately, many of these pickups have been discontinued from manufacture.???In your picture,it looks like your B is equipped is equipped with the "blackhead" magnetic cartridge. It's hard to tell.???The best cartridge choice is a Pickering cartridge made for Seeburg called the 343-05.???Sometimes you'll find these for sale on E Bay.???Pickering was the original manufacturer of all the Seeburg dual-sided cartridges.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???A current production Seeburg conversion cartridge choice is offered by vendor Vern Tisdale.? Visit his website at www.verntisdale.com.? This cartridge is based upon the Pickering NP/AC stereo cartridge.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? If necessary, new 1 mil mono needles for your blackhead cartridge can be found at www.needles4jukeboxes.com? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? A last choice,in my opinion, would be to buy an original Seeburg mono "redhead" cartridge and outfit it with .7mil stereo-compatible stylii. There are several other aftermarket conversion cartridges that were made in the 60's for Seeburg mono jukes. All of them were poor quality attempts and are not worth fooling around with. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Help is here! Click now for simple and easy Financial Advice. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9KddV7Or5Pnwc0vMsBWDYLIEJra6nMZdzBTu43FiKJMhNBE/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jan 27 11:57:44 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jan 27 12:00:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dummy plug ? Message-ID: <20090127.145744.27261.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Dean: You might a have a hard time finding an upright replacement resistor to match the original one, but you should be able to find an axial 1200 ohm 20W resistor to mount below the chassis without a problem. You will probably need to go to an electronics parts supply house (or contact Bill Bickers again?) for this part. Radio Shack carries a very limited number of electronic parts. If you need an online source,try www.PartsExpress.com To answer your question,yes you could series-connect a lot of small 100 ohm resistors to accomplish the job,but it'll take up a lot of space,be awkward, and cost a lot more than it should. I'm glad that you rebuilt your amp. Many jukebox fans try to slide by without doing this. Since you're already doing business with Bickers, he can probably assist you with your cartridge/needle needs. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on earning your associates degrees. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8QQi2nPGqlVQKlwIrPwfJ0d8Y0cXsyRTwGt5lbub4gO3ci6/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Jan 27 12:07:59 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Jan 27 12:09:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Custom label section on a Rock-ola Message-ID: <20090127.150759.27261.2@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> A lot of the 60's and early 70's jukeboxes had a display space where the name of a club,restaurant, bar,vending company, etc could personalize the machine for a location. Most of these lettering kits were sized using standard size mylar lettering used in the sign industry. At the time the lettering were carried as replacement parts by the jukebox manufacturer. I would try any vendor that advertises being able to make quick signs to order to either sell you a set of generic letters or to make up a custom mylar sign strip for you. This will probably cost less in time and money than trying to locate original signage of the era. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Free information on becoming a Photographer. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdQhGmhexE84laiTf2SNKiSrKm4gWZHadFrwrrfKQXPMEwu/ From grahamricho at hotmail.com Tue Jan 27 12:51:55 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Tue Jan 27 15:51:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cd version Optical switch Rowe Ami ? Message-ID: Can the cd version Rowe Ami jukeboxs optical switch be used on a vinyl Rowe Ami R84? thanks From grahamricho at hotmail.com Tue Jan 27 12:33:07 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Tue Jan 27 15:52:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wanted optical switch for Rowe Ami ? Message-ID: Anybody got an optical switch for sale for a Rowe Ami R84 thanks From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Tue Jan 27 17:20:54 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Robert Aker) Date: Tue Jan 27 17:32:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wanted optical switch for Rowe Ami ? References: Message-ID: <000701c980e6$aab48340$0201a8c0@desktop> Try Bruce Wentworth at www.abjukeboxrepair.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "graham" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] wanted optical switch for Rowe Ami ? Anybody got an optical switch for sale for a Rowe Ami R84 thanks _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 17:40:40 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 27 17:41:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wanted optical switch for Rowe Ami ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <296712.24012.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> www.jukeboxparts.com? gottem !? --- On Tue, 1/27/09, graham wrote: From: graham Subject: [Jukebox-list] wanted optical switch for Rowe Ami ? To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:33 PM Anybody got an optical switch for sale for a Rowe Ami R84 thanks _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 17:42:16 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 27 17:43:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cd version Optical switch Rowe Ami ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <325007.10380.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nope !? Do you have the white or red plug--white or red MAY work on the 45's, depending on the MC #. Red only on the CD's? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/27/09, graham wrote: From: graham Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cd version Optical switch Rowe Ami ? To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:51 PM Can the cd version Rowe Ami jukeboxs optical switch be used on a vinyl Rowe Ami R84? thanks _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 27 17:45:20 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Tue Jan 27 17:46:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] USC-2 NO B Sides Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:08:05 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] USC-2 No B Sides To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <826522.33636.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Rick, What happens after the third digit, on the "@" side is pushed--does the "reset" lamp light (at any time) ? Will it play # 122 ? Ron Rich Ron, It takes the selection normally. The reset light does not come on. I did not try myself but the owner said it played all A sides. Tony, I will check the contact block although I didn't think that would not allow for the play control to energize. Thank You Both! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 17:52:28 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Jan 27 17:52:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] USC-2 NO B Sides In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <777016.38745.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, If the scan start is not operating, it indicates a write-in problem. What concerns me is --Will the reset lamp come on at all ? Have him make an ?A side selection, then push 9 and see if the reset lamp will light. You ALSO could have a read out problem, but that needs to be determined, after you get a scan start on the 200 side. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 1/27/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] USC-2 NO B Sides To: "jukebox list" Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:45 PM Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:08:05 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] USC-2 No B Sides To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <826522.33636.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Rick, What happens after the third digit, on the "@" side is pushed--does the "reset" lamp light (at any time) ? Will it play # 122 ? Ron Rich Ron, It takes the selection normally. The reset light does not come on. I did not try myself but the owner said it played all A sides. Tony, I will check the contact block although I didn't think that would not allow for the play control to energize. Thank You Both! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From joswissmister at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 27 18:18:20 2009 From: joswissmister at sbcglobal.net (Jurg Oggenfuss) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:19:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model C 50 Message-ID: <489363.90828.qm@web80708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all: I'm in search of a cam for my AMI Model C 500 that will accommodate 10 inch records (78s). Does anyone have one for sale? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, JJ Milwaukee, WI From seeburgt at pacbell.net Tue Jan 27 18:21:33 2009 From: seeburgt at pacbell.net (Tony Miller) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:29:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] USC-2 NO B Sides In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090128022913.A1717AA892@lists.netlojix.com> At 05:45 PM 1/27/2009, you wrote: Rick; The play control energizing is indicative of a selection being decoded and written-in by the gray box. I mention it to confirm that B sides are indeed being written in. from your 'it takes the selection normally' response, this again would lead me to believe that the problem has to do with the contact block. Cheers, Tony Miller >Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:08:05 -0800 (PST) >From: Ron Rich >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] USC-2 No B Sides >To: Jukebox mailing list >Message-ID: <826522.33636.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >Rick, >What happens after the third digit, on the "@" >side is pushed--does the "reset" lamp light (at any time) ? >Will it play # 122 ? Ron Rich > > >Ron, It takes the selection normally. The reset >light does not come on. I did not try myself but >the owner said it played all A sides. > >Tony, I will check the contact block although I >didn't think that would not allow for the play control to energize. > >Thank You Both! > >Rick > >_________________________________________________________________ >Windows Live? Hotmail?: more than just e-mail. >http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 18:53:00 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:54:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cd version Optical switch Rowe Ami ? In-Reply-To: <325007.10380.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <325007.10380.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, I know for a fact that a white plug will work with in a Rowe with a CD-PRO mech controller as I have successfully made the swap myself with no issues. Don't know if it it would work in a CDM3 or other previous mech controller setup. Haven't tried that yet... Thomas On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Nope ! Do you have the white or red plug--white or red MAY work on the > 45's, depending on the MC #. Red only on the CD's Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, graham wrote: > > From: graham > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cd version Optical switch Rowe Ami ? > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:51 PM > > Can the cd version Rowe Ami jukeboxs optical switch be used on a vinyl Rowe > Ami > R84? thanks > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 28 02:17:43 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Wed Jan 28 02:18:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI C cam enquiry Message-ID: <943596.80651.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> JJ wrote > Hello all: > I'm in search of a cam for my AMI Model C 500 that will > accommodate 10 inch records (78s). Does anyone have one for > sale? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > JJ > Milwaukee, WI Hi JJ, sorry, not sure what you mean by this. Please can you explain in a bit more detail what you need. What cam exactly are you referring to? As far as I know, there should be no need to change any cam on this mechanism to play 10 inch 78s. If you give more details, I am sure someone on the list might be able to help you. Gary From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 10:00:57 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Jan 28 10:02:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records In-Reply-To: <49808BAB.20803@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <279448.88693.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dick, and all, Fwd'ing this to the list--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Dick Habegger wrote: From: Dick Habegger Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 78 RPM records To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 8:45 AM Hi Ron, For some unknown reason I cannot send messages to the jukebox list. The mail server does not deliver the message. I am using Mozilla Thunderbird and Earthlink. Also, I have tried to e-mail Jay several days ago. I still have not had a reply from him. The only one I have had good results with is Hildegard. It baffles me! Any comments you may make would be appreciated. Therefore, I am sending my reply to you direct. My best, Dick Habegger Phelan, CA Here is the message: I searched for a good database program to catalog my records. I found: > http://www.besware.com/applications/musiclibrary/musiclibrary.htm I did not find any that were exceptional. I found "The Music Library" was the closest. It has a 21 day free trial. However, it cannot be used with MS VISTA due to it being developed with Visual Basic 6.0 and some third party tools . The FORMAT label allows separate lists for 45 or 78 RPM records. I used a -1 (45-1) for A Side and -2 for B Side. I have no association with the company, I just bought the program! Dick Habegger Phelan, CA > With all the talk about record collecting, does anyone have or can suggest > a good computer software database system for cataloging our collections? I > could write my own, but don't want to reinvent the wheel if something is > already out there. > > Also, as far as collectability and value, what seems to be the best resource > for determining $$$ value on our collections? > > Rich From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 28 15:49:19 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Jan 28 15:50:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI C cam enquiry References: <943596.80651.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c981a3$0aa0ea20$6101a8c0@Dirksen> In today's economy, why buy the original 78rpm cam when the 45 rpm cam and tonearm will work just fine? The only problem you will find is that because the 45 rpm cam brings the tonearm in further, you will not be able to adjust it out far enough to reach the lead-in grooves of the 78's. You can solve this two ways: you can lengthen the slot in the bracket all the way to the edge and use a bigger washer to hold it tight, or you can remove the screw, position the toneam where you want it, and drill and tap a new locking screw location in the middle of the slot. Once you do this and adjust the trip position, it will work perfectly. You may or may not notice that the tonearm will swing further towards the back of the machine when it is returned to the rest position. But no one else will ever notice except those fussy "original or nothing" types. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Young" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:17 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI C cam enquiry JJ wrote > Hello all: > I'm in search of a cam for my AMI Model C 500 that will > accommodate 10 inch records (78s). Does anyone have one for > sale? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > JJ > Milwaukee, WI Hi JJ, sorry, not sure what you mean by this. Please can you explain in a bit more detail what you need. What cam exactly are you referring to? As far as I know, there should be no need to change any cam on this mechanism to play 10 inch 78s. If you give more details, I am sure someone on the list might be able to help you. Gary _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 18:42:40 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Jan 28 18:43:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI C cam enquiry In-Reply-To: <000f01c981a3$0aa0ea20$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <434759.12312.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 1/28/09, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: > In today's economy, why buy the original 78rpm cam when > the 45 rpm cam and tonearm will work just fine? The only > problem you will find is that because the 45 rpm cam brings > the tonearm in further... By "cam", I thought he meant the cam that opens and closes the transfer arm. Obviously, more detail is needed from the original poster. From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 29 03:52:37 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Thu Jan 29 03:53:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] value of 78s Message-ID: <388022.29705.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Also, as far as collectability and value, what seems to be the best resource > for determining $$$ value on our collections? > > Rich As a collector of 78s for many years now, I would say there are few specific resources for valuing 78s. Here in the UK we have the Rare Records price guide, which is a quite useful book, but actually achieving the prices quoted is another matter. Something is only as valuable as what someone is willing pay for it. If that makes sense. for instance, I was lucky enough to buy some original unplayed ex shop stock rock n roll 78s a few years back, but it seems few people want the likes of Bill Haley even in mint condition and at giveaway prices. Like most things, the really rare stuff tends to fetch the best prices. Early Blues such as Robert Johnston, Charlie Patton etc. But the chances of finding them at a car boot sale or Charity shop are virtually nil. Sun label 78s have always been desirable to collectors. Some of the late rock n roll, R&B and Blues are now becoming scarce and more valuable too. Prices can vary so much even for the same record. Just look at ebay. Condition too is a factor in values of 78s. If you want to check dealers prices try Scott Primeau of Primeau Music in Canada here is the link. http://www.primeaumusic.com/Records/78s.htm Fabulous records at fabulous prices. I used to find the odd rock n roll 78 at car boot sales and ocassionally charity shops, but these days it just doesnt happen so much. There are still plenty of 78s out there, but more often than not its either Bing Crosby, Pat Boone or Slim Whitman. Gary From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Jan 29 08:09:40 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Jan 29 08:21:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] value of 78s In-Reply-To: <388022.29705.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <388022.29705.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I had to reply to the comments made about Scott Primeau and his "Fabulous records at fabulous prices". Yes he has been around for many years , but you'll seldom see any deals here. Example: Paul Anka's "Diana" is a very common record, that is usually found in good condition for between $5-$10 at most. (another dealer I know told me he was having trouble getting $7 for a copy). Scott's price? $45 ! Or how about another common record, "Come Go With Me" by the Dell Vikings? Scott's price of $55 seems somewhat excessive. I suggest watching what comes up on E-Bay, and try to get to know some dealers. Many times they'll have other records, they have not listed, and they'll gladly work out a deal with you, especially if you buy a few. Happy hunting. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Gary Young Sent: 2009, January, 29 6:53 AM To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] value of 78s > Also, as far as collectability and value, what seems to be the best resource > for determining $$$ value on our collections? > > Rich As a collector of 78s for many years now, I would say there are few specific resources for valuing 78s. Here in the UK we have the Rare Records price guide, which is a quite useful book, but actually achieving the prices quoted is another matter. Something is only as valuable as what someone is willing pay for it. If that makes sense. for instance, I was lucky enough to buy some original unplayed ex shop stock rock n roll 78s a few years back, but it seems few people want the likes of Bill Haley even in mint condition and at giveaway prices. Like most things, the really rare stuff tends to fetch the best prices. Early Blues such as Robert Johnston, Charlie Patton etc. But the chances of finding them at a car boot sale or Charity shop are virtually nil. Sun label 78s have always been desirable to collectors. Some of the late rock n roll, R&B and Blues are now becoming scarce and more valuable too. Prices can vary so much even for the same record. Just look at ebay. Condition too is a factor in values of 78s. If you want to check dealers prices try Scott Primeau of Primeau Music in Canada here is the link. http://www.primeaumusic.com/Records/78s.htm Fabulous records at fabulous prices. I used to find the odd rock n roll 78 at car boot sales and ocassionally charity shops, but these days it just doesnt happen so much. There are still plenty of 78s out there, but more often than not its either Bing Crosby, Pat Boone or Slim Whitman. Gary _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From edbap at aol.com Thu Jan 29 10:17:57 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Thu Jan 29 10:25:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C repo lights source? Message-ID: <8CB50550BC972EE-ED0-AB5@WEBMAIL-DZ10.sysops.aol.com> Anyone got a new source for the rotating seeburg lights, or Fred Mlakar's phone number? Thanks, Eddie Baptista From chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 29 11:16:13 2009 From: chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net (chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu Jan 29 11:17:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement speakers for a Rock-ola jukebox Message-ID: <98784.94678.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm thinking about replacing the speakers in my Rock-ola 442...? I wonder about the condition of these after 40 years. What kind of speakers are they and are there replacements available? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 11:42:25 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jan 29 11:43:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement speakers for a Rock-ola jukebox In-Reply-To: <98784.94678.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <187019.88447.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> IMHO, they are as good as they were 40 years ago. Speakers, unless abused, or damaged by water, used by the major JB makers were of good quality, and most importantly were designed to "fit" the different audio systems--which includes the cabinet. If you have a "bad" speaker, once again, IMHO, it is best to have?it re-coned, by a pro, to the original factory specs. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 1/29/09, chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Replacement speakers for a Rock-ola jukebox To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 11:16 AM I'm thinking about replacing the speakers in my Rock-ola 442...? I wonder about the condition of these after 40 years. What kind of speakers are they and are there replacements available? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 29 13:10:54 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Thu Jan 29 13:11:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slim Whitman 78s Message-ID: <354337.38024.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gary sez: "There are still plenty of 78s out there, but more often than not its either Bing Crosby, Pat Boone or Slim Whitman." Bob sez: Wow! This is great news! It's time to gather up those Slim Whitman 78s in preparation for earth's martian invasion! Bob - Chicago From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Thu Jan 29 14:57:11 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Thu Jan 29 15:05:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slim Whitman 78s Message-ID: They'll be saying that about Elvis and the Beatles 50 years from now. I can hear 'em now...Who wants an Elvis Sun 78 record????????????? From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 29 15:33:18 2009 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Thu Jan 29 15:34:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 Message-ID: hi all, the battery on IC5 is dead (trying to recharge it now) due to the juke has been off (but plugged in) for several months. Does this not charge while turned off, but still plugged in? How long to recharge it? If I have to replace it, is the chip and battery all one piece (looks like it is, but can't tell)? Does anyone here have one and what is the cost? Thank you, Rick. From ccos at knology.net Thu Jan 29 15:47:17 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Thu Jan 29 15:48:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99F9C3BE23D2431F8084AC1CFDEFD8DE@CCOSPC> Rick, I've had to replace those just because they wore out. Any NSM distributor can get one for you...........relatively inexpensive. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Force" To: "juke list" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 hi all, the battery on IC5 is dead (trying to recharge it now) due to the juke has been off (but plugged in) for several months. Does this not charge while turned off, but still plugged in? How long to recharge it? If I have to replace it, is the chip and battery all one piece (looks like it is, but can't tell)? Does anyone here have one and what is the cost? Thank you, Rick. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 15:50:43 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jan 29 15:51:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <496474.41597.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, It won't charge if it's switched?off, old, or a Li battery. Should have some info on it, and should be available at a GOOD electronics store. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Rick Force wrote: From: Rick Force Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 To: "juke list" Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 3:33 PM hi all, the battery on IC5 is dead (trying to recharge it now) due to the juke has been off (but plugged in) for several months. Does this not charge while turned off, but still plugged in? How long to recharge it? If I have to replace it, is the chip and battery all one piece (looks like it is, but can't tell)? Does anyone here have one and what is the cost? Thank you, Rick. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 29 15:53:39 2009 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Thu Jan 29 15:54:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 In-Reply-To: <99F9C3BE23D2431F8084AC1CFDEFD8DE@CCOSPC> References: <99F9C3BE23D2431F8084AC1CFDEFD8DE@CCOSPC> Message-ID: Thanks Karl and Ron. Is it the entire chip or does the battery clip onto the chip? thank you, Rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: CCOS To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 Rick, I've had to replace those just because they wore out. Any NSM distributor can get one for you...........relatively inexpensive. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Force" > To: "juke list" > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 hi all, the battery on IC5 is dead (trying to recharge it now) due to the juke has been off (but plugged in) for several months. Does this not charge while turned off, but still plugged in? How long to recharge it? If I have to replace it, is the chip and battery all one piece (looks like it is, but can't tell)? Does anyone here have one and what is the cost? Thank you, Rick. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Thu Jan 29 15:57:58 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Thu Jan 29 15:58:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 In-Reply-To: References: <99F9C3BE23D2431F8084AC1CFDEFD8DE@CCOSPC> Message-ID: <45257669E38242509DB9F0E86D5B17F6@CCOSPC> Rick, It's the whole chip. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Force" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 Thanks Karl and Ron. Is it the entire chip or does the battery clip onto the chip? thank you, Rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: CCOS To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 Rick, I've had to replace those just because they wore out. Any NSM distributor can get one for you...........relatively inexpensive. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Force" > To: "juke list" > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 hi all, the battery on IC5 is dead (trying to recharge it now) due to the juke has been off (but plugged in) for several months. Does this not charge while turned off, but still plugged in? How long to recharge it? If I have to replace it, is the chip and battery all one piece (looks like it is, but can't tell)? Does anyone here have one and what is the cost? Thank you, Rick. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 29 16:04:24 2009 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Thu Jan 29 16:05:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 In-Reply-To: <99F9C3BE23D2431F8084AC1CFDEFD8DE@CCOSPC> <45257669E38242509DB9F0E86D5B17F6@CCOSPC> References: <99F9C3BE23D2431F8084AC1CFDEFD8DE@CCOSPC> <45257669E38242509DB9F0E86D5B17F6@CCOSPC> Message-ID: thanks Karl, thought it might be, Rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: CCOS To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 Rick, It's the whole chip. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Force" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 Thanks Karl and Ron. Is it the entire chip or does the battery clip onto the chip? thank you, Rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: CCOS> To: Jukebox mailing list> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 Rick, I've had to replace those just because they wore out. Any NSM distributor can get one for you...........relatively inexpensive. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Force" >> To: "juke list" >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM es5 computer battery/IC5 hi all, the battery on IC5 is dead (trying to recharge it now) due to the juke has been off (but plugged in) for several months. Does this not charge while turned off, but still plugged in? How long to recharge it? If I have to replace it, is the chip and battery all one piece (looks like it is, but can't tell)? Does anyone here have one and what is the cost? Thank you, Rick. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 17:04:23 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Jan 29 17:05:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slim Whitman 78s In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <947506.64207.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Kuglarb@wmconnect.com wrote: > They'll be saying that about Elvis and the Beatles 50 > years from now. I can > hear 'em now...Who wants an Elvis Sun 78 > record????????????? Why? Whitman is a contemporary of Elvis, isn't he? From mikelush at mac.com Thu Jan 29 17:30:52 2009 From: mikelush at mac.com (mike lush) Date: Thu Jan 29 18:33:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 electric selector issue Message-ID: Hi all, Need some advice on the electric selector on my wurly 2800. I can go ahead and deposit coins and/or hit the free play switch and the machine lights up. I can make a selection and they latch in and release. However, the electirc selector turns clockwise (when facing the machine from the back), hits the stop but tries to keep going until I have to power it off. I checked the double switch (top reverse, bottom start #110558) and the meter says it's ok. What I was wondering is if I have a problem with a solenoid or just an adjustment? It's hard to put a meter in there and I'm not really sure if that is where my problem is. I had all other functions working before this. Any suggestions? If i do need a switch or solenoid, where would a person pick up a solenoid or replacement switch these days? Thanks for any advice! From Trollmasters at webtv.net Thu Jan 29 18:36:44 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Thu Jan 29 18:37:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C repo lights source? In-Reply-To: Ed Baptista 's message of Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:17:57 -0500 Message-ID: <11991-498267BC-791@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net> Ed, I can get in touch with Fred. Give me your no. and I will have him call you. E-mail me off list if you want. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Jan 29 18:52:41 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Jan 29 18:53:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A BIG Thank you Message-ID: <003201c98285$d2145960$763d0c20$@net> To everyone over the past couple months who offered advice, opinions and general support in my rehabbing of a dead Wurli 2710. Thank you! Outside of the amp needing rebuilt..it is working good. Attached is a link to it to show the fruits of your labor. I am borrowing the amp from my 3010 to demonstrate. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/wurlitzer_2710/wurlitzer2710_twist.wmv Again..Thank you! Rich From fonzhende1 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 14:01:27 2009 From: fonzhende1 at yahoo.com (Mike Henderson) Date: Thu Jan 29 19:35:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for Technician in the NY area for 1965 Seeburg Jukebox Message-ID: <486642.57324.qm@web84004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I need a tech to do some work on my 1965 Discotheque Seeburg Jukebox PFEA1U, I am located in Queens NY. Mike Henderson Phone: 718-715-4659 Mobile Phone: 718-219-9733 Fax: 718-845-1266 From mac1025 at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 12:55:48 2009 From: mac1025 at comcast.net (Willie Wolford) Date: Thu Jan 29 19:36:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <39FC29A2-42F2-41A0-A1F8-88BDEEEE425D@comcast.net> hi i saw you post about your rowe r89 and i am having the same problem. I removed the battery when i was cleaning and now it won't work (it did before). Did you ever solve your problem? Thanks, Will From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 19:55:44 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Jan 29 19:56:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 electric selector issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <253673.83669.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well----you sorta gots me cornfuzed?? !. I assume that you are talking about the two switches that the unit hits (crashes into) with the adjustable shoulder screws?? ?If so, how did you "check" them ? 2. What are you calling a "solenoid"? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 1/29/09, mike lush wrote: From: mike lush Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 electric selector issue To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 5:30 PM Hi all, Need some advice on the electric selector on my wurly 2800. I can go ahead and deposit coins and/or hit the free play switch and the machine lights up. I can make a selection and they latch in and release. However, the electirc selector turns clockwise (when facing the machine from the back), hits the stop but tries to keep going until I have to power it off. I checked the double switch (top reverse, bottom start #110558) and the meter says it's ok. What I was wondering is if I have a problem with a solenoid or just an adjustment? It's hard to put a meter in there and I'm not really sure if that is where my problem is. I had all other functions working before this. Any suggestions? If i do need a switch or solenoid, where would a person pick up a solenoid or replacement switch these days? Thanks for any advice! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mikelush at mac.com Thu Jan 29 22:14:42 2009 From: mikelush at mac.com (mike lush) Date: Thu Jan 29 22:15:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 electric selector issue In-Reply-To: <253673.83669.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <253673.83669.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8FCCDFD3-0A99-46B7-9478-018C25F5C249@mac.com> Hi Ron, Thanks for the quick reply. Yes the two switches with the screws (page 11 in the manual). The manual ID's the top one as the reverse switch and the bottom as the start switch. I suspect the reverse switch because when the machine is turned on it does nothing when you press it (been playing with it since my last email). There are ten solenoid selectors stops on the electric selector (page 9) and I'm a little confused about their function. Would a failure with one of these cause my problem? Sorry if I'm not totally descriptive but there is a lot more in the Wurly then my Rockola 1438! I'm not sure if it made this model more reliable or if it's just overengineered. I'd be interested in what someone who had to service them thought about them. Thanks again, Mike I guess my confusion lives in On 29-Jan-09, at 8:55 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Well----you sorta gots me cornfuzed?? !. I assume that you are > talking about the two switches that the unit hits (crashes into) > with the adjustable shoulder screws?? If so, how did you "check" > them ? > 2. What are you calling a "solenoid"? > Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, mike lush wrote: > > From: mike lush > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 electric selector issue > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 5:30 PM > > Hi all, > > Need some advice on the electric selector on my wurly 2800. I can > go ahead and > deposit coins and/or hit the free play switch and the machine lights > up. I can > make a selection and they latch in and release. However, the > electirc selector > turns clockwise (when facing the machine from the back), hits the > stop but tries > to keep going until I have to power it off. > > I checked the double switch (top reverse, bottom start #110558) and > the meter > says it's ok. What I was wondering is if I have a problem with a > solenoid or > just an adjustment? It's hard to put a meter in there and I'm not > really > sure if that is where my problem is. > > I had all other functions working before this. Any suggestions? If i > do need a > switch or solenoid, where would a person pick up a solenoid or > replacement > switch these days? > > Thanks for any advice! > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Jan 29 23:29:51 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Jan 29 23:32:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 electric selector issue Message-ID: <20090130.022951.19163.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello Ron & Mike: I'm just picking up on your correspondence re: your 2800. I'm don't visit this site every day. It sounds as if you're both getting caught up in some troubleshooting issues. You might be skipping a few troubleshooting steps. I'm trying to help, not horn in on your dialogue. I'm going to "shotgun" your questions/problems in order to give you some quick answers. The ten solenoids on the selector drum you're referring to are the number stop relays. (They look like little brass mushrooms with a spring underneath, right?) If you are able to successfully enter a selection from the keyboard and all the pins pull, they are working. If one of these solenoids failed, you would have a loss of all 20 selections for an entire number (i.e. A1,B1,through V1,) Why do you think you have a problem here? Mikle, in one of your earlier emails, you said that you can establish a credit,make a selection, a pin gets pulled,and the scan process happens. While you are watching the mech's crank arm hit the raised pin, the arm binds, and begins to the bend against the pin,unless you power off the machine. You should check the operation/adjustment of the stop switch,which is tripped by the mechanical action of the crank arm. Stop switch is a microswitch located on the topside center of the drum. Go to Pg 20 of your service manual, section N "stop screw adjustment". See Fig 45 on Pg21. Typically, this adjustment is off or the stop micro switch has failed if you're having this problem. You also should see the transfer switch (the top center rear leaf switch below the mech. deck) operate at this time. Transfer switch is operated by a cam lever. See Pg 22 Section P, Fig 47 for details. The Wurlitzer carousel changer is 100% mechanical it's operation and all key functions are adjustable. In my opinion, it's a beautifully-engineered unit. When set up properly, these units are very dependable and handle records gently. The sound systems are also above average. One thing that makes service a little difficult, is that you need to read through the written narrative of the changer operations to become familiar with all operations. (Yes, I know it's a boring read---about as much fun as reading the phone directory) You can develop some "bizarre" trouble combinations with a Rock Ola as well as a Wurlitzer, (or Seeburg or Rowe). There is a certain order of steps that have to be followed for effective troubleshooting. I was the shop tech for a large vending co that had a big jukebox route (over 100 locations) in the 60's--almost all Wurlitzer of 1960-67. About 12 of the locations were wallbox/hideaway installations that worked long and hard for their master. I now have an independent repair/restoration biz. I have a W2800 in the shop, being fully overhauled now (I'll have it for the next month) and I have a lot of the parts/books, etc.for W's of this era. If I can assist in your efforts, please ask. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ FTD.com Shop now and save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/u4MuSdTxaj6PWItjIIDMVFaRYJgZp6A6r2UJFDM1Wj3ZqMcibwzsq/ From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 30 00:32:07 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Fri Jan 30 00:33:20 2009 Subject: Fw: RE: [Jukebox-list] value of 78s Message-ID: <166185.39135.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> "Fabulous records at fabulous prices". sorry Mike, I was being a bit sarcastic. The prices are very high, but he does have some fabulous 78s --- On Thu, 29/1/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > From: Dicecco, Michael > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] value of 78s > To: gazzyoung_uk@yahoo.co.uk, "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 4:09 PM > I had to reply to the comments made about Scott Primeau and > his > "Fabulous records at fabulous prices". > > Yes he has been around for many years , but you'll > seldom see any deals > here. Example: Paul Anka's "Diana" is a very > common record, that is > usually found in good condition for between $5-$10 at most. > (another > dealer I know told me he was having trouble getting $7 for > a copy). > Scott's price? $45 ! Or how about another common > record, "Come Go With > Me" by the Dell Vikings? Scott's price of $55 > seems somewhat excessive. > > I suggest watching what comes up on E-Bay, and try to get > to know some > dealers. Many times they'll have other records, they > have not listed, > and they'll gladly work out a deal with you, especially > if you buy a > few. > > Happy hunting. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf > Of Gary Young > Sent: 2009, January, 29 6:53 AM > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] value of 78s > > > Also, as far as collectability and value, what seems > to be the best > resource > > for determining $$$ value on our collections? > > > > Rich > > As a collector of 78s for many years now, I would say there > are few > specific resources for valuing 78s. Here in the UK we have > the Rare > Records price guide, which is a quite useful book, but > actually > achieving the prices quoted is another matter. Something is > only as > valuable as what someone is willing pay for it. If that > makes sense. for > instance, I was lucky enough to buy some original unplayed > ex shop stock > rock n roll 78s a few years back, but it seems few people > want the likes > of Bill Haley even in mint condition and at giveaway > prices. Like most > things, the really rare stuff tends to fetch the best > prices. Early > Blues such as Robert Johnston, Charlie Patton etc. But the > chances of > finding them at a car boot sale or Charity shop are > virtually nil. Sun > label 78s have always been desirable to collectors. Some of > the late > rock n roll, R&B and Blues are now becoming scarce and > more valuable > too. Prices can vary so much even for the same record. Just > look at > ebay. Condition too is a factor in values of 78s. If you > want to check > dealers prices try Scott Primeau of Primeau Music in Canada > here is the > link. http://www.primeaumusic.com/Records/78s.htm Fabulous > records at > fabulous prices. I used to find the odd rock n roll 78 at > car boot sales > and ocassionally charity shops, but these days it just > doesnt happen so > much. There are still plenty of 78s out there, but more > often than not > its either Bing Crosby, Pat Boone or Slim Whitman. > > Gary > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the > sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the > information it contains by other than an intended recipient > is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by > return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. > L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations > qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des > renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que > le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, > veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de > courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From p.hagens at wxs.nl Fri Jan 30 00:33:07 2009 From: p.hagens at wxs.nl (Piet Hagens) Date: Fri Jan 30 00:44:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Schematics 1939 rockola ? In-Reply-To: <98784.94678.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <98784.94678.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c982b5$61a6c2a0$24f447e0$@hagens@wxs.nl> Hello, Can anybody help me. I need the schematics for a pre-war rockola amplifier. It should be from 1939 but I'm not absolutely sure about that. It contains the following tubes: 76, 6L6 (2) and 5U4. All the schematics I have have a 6J5 tube not a 76. Greetings Piet From ginovandecauter at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 04:50:14 2009 From: ginovandecauter at gmail.com (Vande Cauter Gino) Date: Fri Jan 30 04:59:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WURLITZER 270 STEPPER MANUAL ????? Message-ID: <013a01c982d9$4c06fbd0$6401a8c0@GLENN> Hi all , can someone tell me where I can find a WURLITZER 270 STEPPER "service repair" MANUAL ????? Thank you already . Best regards , Gino . From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Jan 30 06:01:36 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Jan 30 06:17:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] value of 78s In-Reply-To: <166185.39135.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <166185.39135.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry I missed the sarcasm, I thought you were serious. Yes Scott does have some great 78's (check out the Beatles ones). I guess if he only sells a few a year, he does ok! -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Gary Young Sent: 2009, January, 30 3:32 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Fw: RE: [Jukebox-list] value of 78s "Fabulous records at fabulous prices". sorry Mike, I was being a bit sarcastic. The prices are very high, but he does have some fabulous 78s --- On Thu, 29/1/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > From: Dicecco, Michael > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] value of 78s > To: gazzyoung_uk@yahoo.co.uk, "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 4:09 PM I had to reply to the > comments made about Scott Primeau and his "Fabulous records at > fabulous prices". > > Yes he has been around for many years , but you'll seldom see any > deals here. Example: Paul Anka's "Diana" is a very common record, that > is usually found in good condition for between $5-$10 at most. > (another > dealer I know told me he was having trouble getting $7 for a copy). > Scott's price? $45 ! Or how about another common record, "Come Go With > Me" by the Dell Vikings? Scott's price of $55 seems somewhat > excessive. > > I suggest watching what comes up on E-Bay, and try to get to know some > dealers. Many times they'll have other records, they have not listed, > and they'll gladly work out a deal with you, especially if you buy a > few. > > Happy hunting. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Gary > Young > Sent: 2009, January, 29 6:53 AM > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] value of 78s > > > Also, as far as collectability and value, what seems > to be the best > resource > > for determining $$$ value on our collections? > > > > Rich > > As a collector of 78s for many years now, I would say there are few > specific resources for valuing 78s. Here in the UK we have the Rare > Records price guide, which is a quite useful book, but actually > achieving the prices quoted is another matter. Something is only as > valuable as what someone is willing pay for it. If that makes sense. > for instance, I was lucky enough to buy some original unplayed ex shop > stock rock n roll 78s a few years back, but it seems few people want > the likes of Bill Haley even in mint condition and at giveaway prices. > Like most things, the really rare stuff tends to fetch the best > prices. Early Blues such as Robert Johnston, Charlie Patton etc. But > the chances of finding them at a car boot sale or Charity shop are > virtually nil. Sun label 78s have always been desirable to collectors. > Some of the late rock n roll, R&B and Blues are now becoming scarce > and more valuable too. Prices can vary so much even for the same > record. Just look at ebay. Condition too is a factor in values of > 78s. If you want to check dealers prices try Scott Primeau of Primeau > Music in Canada here is the link. > http://www.primeaumusic.com/Records/78s.htm Fabulous records at > fabulous prices. I used to find the odd rock n roll 78 at car boot > sales and ocassionally charity shops, but these days it just doesnt > happen so much. There are still plenty of 78s out there, but more > often than not its either Bing Crosby, Pat Boone or Slim Whitman. > > Gary > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > ______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does > not waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return > e-mail or otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. > L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y > rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des > renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) > destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en > aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un > autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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From mikelush at mac.com Fri Jan 30 06:46:21 2009 From: mikelush at mac.com (mike lush) Date: Fri Jan 30 06:47:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 electric selector issue In-Reply-To: <20090130.022951.19163.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090130.022951.19163.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your help Jim. Very detailed and a much better description of the trouble I am having. I'll give your suggestions a go this weekend and see how it goes. I'll let you know! -Mike On 30-Jan-09, at 12:29 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Ron & Mike: > I'm just picking up on your correspondence re: your 2800. I'm > don't visit this site every day. It sounds as if you're both > getting caught up in some troubleshooting issues. You might be > skipping a few troubleshooting steps. I'm trying to help, not horn > in on your dialogue. > I'm going to "shotgun" your questions/problems in order to give you > some quick answers. > The ten solenoids on the selector drum you're referring to are the > number stop relays. (They look like little brass mushrooms with a > spring underneath, right?) If you are able to successfully enter > a selection from the keyboard and all the pins pull, they are > working. If one of these solenoids failed, you would have a loss of > all 20 selections for an entire number (i.e. A1,B1,through V1,) > Why do you think you have a problem here? > Mikle, in one of your earlier emails, you said that you can > establish a credit,make a selection, a pin gets pulled,and the scan > process happens. While you are watching the mech's crank arm hit > the raised pin, the arm binds, and begins to the bend against the > pin,unless you power off the machine. > You should check the operation/adjustment of the stop switch,which > is tripped by the mechanical action of the crank arm. Stop switch > is a microswitch located on the topside center of the drum. Go to > Pg 20 of your service manual, section N "stop screw adjustment". > See Fig 45 on Pg21. Typically, this adjustment is off or the stop > micro switch has failed if you're having this problem. > You also should see the transfer switch (the top center rear leaf > switch below the mech. deck) operate at this time. Transfer switch > is operated by a cam lever. See Pg 22 Section P, Fig 47 for details. > The Wurlitzer carousel changer is 100% mechanical it's operation and > all key functions are adjustable. In my opinion, it's a > beautifully-engineered unit. When set up properly, these uni