From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Dec 1 01:49:29 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Dec 1 01:51:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Not to play on just any jukebox......record sellsfor $10k on Ebay........ In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20091201010903.009977fc@hsces.com> Message-ID: <752020.7794.qm@web112109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Bob Ellingson wrote: > Holy moly! Ten grand for a single? A Vogue picture record sold on Ebay a few years ago for $30,000. The speculation is that two bidders put in last second "shut out" high bids, both expecting to actually get it for about 1/4 of that. From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Dec 1 04:23:32 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Dec 1 04:25:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Not to play on just any jukebox......record sellsfor $10k on Ebay........ In-Reply-To: <752020.7794.qm@web112109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <2.2.32.20091201010903.009977fc@hsces.com> <752020.7794.qm@web112109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Whoa! There's been many times where I thought about doing that...putting in a stupid bid like $1000 on a "must have" record at the last possible second thinking that most people would try and bid on an item in increments of $5.00 or so. It never occurred to me that someone ELSE would do the same stupid thing. Holy geez! What would you do in a case like that??!! Contact the bidder and say that you did something stupid and could he please sell it for whatever the last reasonable bid was? I suppose that by eBay's standards, the winning bid is the contractual amount that should be paid. Wow..... I'm humbled by this. Aaron On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:49 AM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Bob Ellingson wrote: > > > Holy moly! Ten grand for a single? > > A Vogue picture record sold on Ebay a few years ago for > $30,000. The speculation is that two bidders put in last > second "shut out" high bids, both expecting to actually > get it for about 1/4 of that. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From dave at bennions.net Tue Dec 1 05:28:54 2009 From: dave at bennions.net (Dave Bennion) Date: Tue Dec 1 06:04:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleting a record. Message-ID: <000c01ca728a$3b013a70$b103af50$@net> The record pickup arm on my Rockola Capri II is stuck in the air after picking the record up and will not move at all. Any help appreciated. Thanks Dave From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Dec 1 06:52:54 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Dec 1 06:54:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Was Rock-Ola 1475 - Won't make any selections - Now a Muting issue Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies, everyone. Got it fixed but not in the way that was suggested. Actually, it was Ron's reply that got me thinking. In looking at the Jones plug, I just couldn't believe that a wire had clipped off inside the connector since it had never been removed. But since I HAD removed the old buttons and the selection system, I pulled that assembly back out to check to see if a wire dropped off somewhere at that point. Finding nothing there, I tried a simple test by plugging the selection assembly directly into the jukebox while holding it in my hand. Sure enough, it worked great. Every selection was made without a problem. That's when I realized that the buttons were being pushing in a lot further than when the selection assembly was mounted in the front door. I put it back in and bolted it down and sure enough, the new buttons just wouldn't push in far enough to make contact. I solved the problem by putting in some washers at either end between the selection assembly and the framework...which lifted the selection assembly by 1/6" or less. The buttons now push in all the way and every selection works perfectly. One more question I have is in regards to the amp. When I picked up this 1475, the tone-arm brush and wire were missing. Got a new one from VG and installed it last night with no problem. When I fired up a record for the first time since bringing the jukebox back up from replacing the buttons, I noticed that when the tone arm moved across the brush, the sound of the brush on the needle was audible just before the tone-arm sat down on a record. Thinking that was a bit strange, I gently touched the needle while the jukebox was in scan mode. Sure enough, I could hear the "touching" through the speakers. Isn't the amp supposed to have a muting circuit?? It was too late for me to go into the service manual since it was WAY past my bedtime... but I thought that it was a little strange that the amp wasn't muting while the mech was in scan mode. Thoughts on this? Aaron From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Tue Dec 1 07:42:20 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue Dec 1 07:44:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Not to play on just any jukebox......record sellsfor $10k on Ebay........ References: <2.2.32.20091201010903.009977fc@hsces.com><752020.7794.qm@web112109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53D3D52D9AFE4ED28E6D25B8F3F1A1DE@ownere70d47d70> since ebay made it impossible for the seller to leave negative feedback you the bidder just don't pay him. Not fair but ebay changed the rules. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron H" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Not to play on just any jukebox......record sellsfor $10k on Ebay........ > Whoa! There's been many times where I thought about doing that...putting > in > a stupid bid like $1000 on a "must have" record at the last possible > second > thinking that most people would try and bid on an item in increments of > $5.00 or so. It never occurred to me that someone ELSE would do the same > stupid thing. Holy geez! What would you do in a case like that??!! Contact > the bidder and say that you did something stupid and could he please sell > it > for whatever the last reasonable bid was? I suppose that by eBay's > standards, the winning bid is the contractual amount that should be paid. > Wow..... I'm humbled by this. > > Aaron > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:49 AM, David Breneman > wrote: > >> --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Bob Ellingson wrote: >> >> > Holy moly! Ten grand for a single? >> >> A Vogue picture record sold on Ebay a few years ago for >> $30,000. The speculation is that two bidders put in last >> second "shut out" high bids, both expecting to actually >> get it for about 1/4 of that. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 1 08:08:38 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 1 08:10:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Was Rock-Ola 1475 - Won't make any selections - Now a Muting issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <825839.420.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Aaron, Glad to have "helped"--One thing comes to mind--don't know if this is true for RO buttons or not, but most of the Seeburg's had a metal "U" clip on them where the metal from the switch makes contact with the plastic of the buttons--might just look at the old ones and compare? Yep--should outta be "muted"--bad relay/relay contact ??? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Aaron H wrote: From: Aaron H Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Was Rock-Ola 1475 - Won't make any selections - Now a Muting issue To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 6:52 AM Thanks for all the replies, everyone. Got it fixed but not in the way that was suggested. Actually, it was Ron's reply that got me thinking. In looking at the Jones plug, I just couldn't believe that a wire had clipped off inside the connector since it had never been removed. But since I HAD removed the old buttons and the selection system, I pulled that assembly back out to check to see if a wire dropped off somewhere at that point. Finding nothing there, I tried a simple test by plugging the selection assembly directly into the jukebox while holding it in my hand. Sure enough, it worked great. Every selection was made without a problem. That's when I realized that the buttons were being pushing in a lot further than when the selection assembly was mounted in the front door. I put it back in and bolted it down and sure enough, the new buttons just wouldn't push in far enough to make contact. I solved the problem by putting in some washers at either end between the selection assembly and the framework...which lifted the selection assembly by 1/6" or less. The buttons now push in all the way and every selection works perfectly. One more question I have is in regards to the amp. When I picked up this 1475, the tone-arm brush and wire were missing. Got a new one from VG and installed it last night with no problem. When I fired up a record for the first time since bringing the jukebox back up from replacing the buttons, I noticed that when the tone arm moved across the brush, the sound of the brush on the needle was audible just before the tone-arm sat down on a record. Thinking that was a bit strange, I gently touched the needle while the jukebox was in scan mode. Sure enough, I could hear the "touching" through the speakers. Isn't the amp supposed to have a muting circuit?? It was too late for me to go into the service manual since it was WAY past my bedtime... but I thought that it was a little strange that the amp wasn't muting while the mech was in scan mode. Thoughts on this? Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 1 08:24:20 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 1 08:26:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleting a record. In-Reply-To: <000c01ca728a$3b013a70$b103af50$@net> Message-ID: <863109.59891.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave, That usually caused by a lack of proper oil---Turn the power off, Use SAE 20 wt ND oil, and work it into "ALL" the "joints" and bearings that you can see--including the two gears that sit on one side of the gripper. Use the "thumb wheel" on the gripper motor only--do NOT "apply force"--also check the fuses (or CB's) as one may have blown--? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Dave Bennion wrote: From: Dave Bennion Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleting a record. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 5:28 AM The record pickup arm on my Rockola Capri II is stuck in the air after picking the record up and will not move at all. Any help appreciated. Thanks Dave _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Dec 1 08:44:36 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Dec 1 08:46:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Was Rock-Ola 1475 - Won't make any selections - Now a Muting issue In-Reply-To: <825839.420.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <825839.420.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I thought so, Ron. I've gotta stop working on these things at 1:00 in the morning so I can actually have some type of closure to the day's tasks. At that hour, I just walk away wondering what the heck is going on with no answers in sight. Of course, coming to work is SUCH a pain when there are jukebox issues to be solved. I'm going to have to check out the relay later this evening. Come to think of it, I don't even hear it clicking when the mech does its thing. At least there's no obvious relay noise as there is in the AMI R-145 amp. You can hear that thing clicking on and off plain as day. Aaron On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > Hi Aaron, > Glad to have "helped"--One thing comes to mind--don't know if this is true > for RO buttons or not, but most of the Seeburg's had a metal "U" clip on > them where the metal from the switch makes contact with the plastic of the > buttons--might just look at the old ones and compare? > Yep--should outta be "muted"--bad relay/relay contact ?? Ron Rich > > > From pinball at telus.net Tue Dec 1 09:42:37 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Dec 1 09:44:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Not to play on just any jukebox......record sellsfor $10k on Ebay........ In-Reply-To: References: <2.2.32.20091201010903.009977fc@hsces.com> <752020.7794.qm@web112109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B15558D.3010909@telus.net> Aaron H wrote: > Whoa! There's been many times where I thought about doing that...putting in > a stupid bid like $1000 on a "must have" record at the last possible second > thinking that most people would try and bid on an item in increments of > $5.00 or so. It never occurred to me that someone ELSE would do the same > stupid thing. Holy geez! What would you do in a case like that??!! Contact > the bidder and say that you did something stupid and could he please sell it > for whatever the last reasonable bid was? I suppose that by eBay's > standards, the winning bid is the contractual amount that should be paid. > Wow..... I'm humbled by this. > > Aaron > > That is just foolish - putting in a 'stupid bid' . You are liable for any bid amount you place and eBay will try and hold you to it. It is the same at a physical auction. If you bid an amount you are responsible to pay that amount or loose your eBay account. What part of the agreement did you not read? The part that states "You are responsible for any amount you bid"? A promise to pay is a promise to pay. I did have a bidder once back out of his bid amount - it was on a very rare video game - by saying he had misplaced the decimal point on his offer, nice guy that I am I let him back out. Then I re-listed the item, which then sold for a fraction ($360US) of the high bid amount it sold for previously($3550US). I don't think I would let someone do that (back out) again! Sigh. John :-#)# > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:49 AM, David Breneman wrote: > > >> --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Bob Ellingson wrote: >> >> >>> Holy moly! Ten grand for a single? >>> >> A Vogue picture record sold on Ebay a few years ago for >> $30,000. The speculation is that two bidders put in last >> second "shut out" high bids, both expecting to actually >> get it for about 1/4 of that. >> >> >> -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 1 09:56:18 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 1 09:59:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Was Rock-Ola 1475 - Won't make any selections - No w a Muting issue Message-ID: <20091201.125618.7208.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Aaron: RE: RO 1475 non-muting issue: The muting switching in your juke is activated by a cam-controlled microswitch to the left of the turntable.This switch is located in a bank of 3 microswitches. Closure of the microswitch contacts activates the audio-muting relay located on the underside of the amp chassis. A cable leaves the record changer, plugged into an Amplok connector on the amp nr the volume control socket. If this cable is unplugged, there will be no muting action. The mechanical closure of the microswitch action is adjustable. See your manual for the calibration sequence of adjustments. If I'm not mistaken, the muting micro is the center switch in the bank of 3. The most common trouble causing the no-mute condition is either misadjustment of the switch closure "finger" or microswitch failure. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Interior Design Degrees Free Info on Online Interior Design Programs from the Art Institutes http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=XhtQU9R-7W9DeeukNHEB6AAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAJhuUj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABUROQAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 1 10:24:51 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 1 10:28:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Not to play on just any jukebox......record sellsfo r $10k on Ebay........ Message-ID: <20091201.132451.7208.3@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Some record collectors are motivated to buy rare-issue copies of records. I've never seen anyone offer to pay $10K for an obscure 45 RPM disc before. One of juke service customers that owns a W2100 is also a record collector. I've seen him readily pay $60 for a beat-up copy (too poor a quality to play in a juke) of an old blues tune on the Chance 45 RPM record label, where he thinks that's reasonable. On the other hand, the guy insists on keeping the mono cobra phono cartridge in his juke (not willing to upgrade to a stereo cartridge) which chews up his stereo 45's.Then he'll complain about the cost of $45 for a good-quality European-made cobra stylus that is a stereo-compatible stylus. Go figure. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=VGVw3nfPBEP_zVCcElUREAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 1 10:42:10 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 1 10:45:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleti ng a record. Message-ID: <20091201.134210.7208.4@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Dave: I'm adding to Ron Rich's advice here. Consider this along WITH his cleaning/lube advice. Rockola gripper arm mechs' will sometimes seize up badly due to dried,caked-up grease in the gears, bearings, etc. To "unseize" It will be necessary to apply heat (a high output hair dryer, or if you have electronics tools, a heat-shrink gun) to the gripper arm area. Make note as to where the gripper arm is stuck in the change cycle. To do this correctly, you'll need to unbolt (but not remove) the gripper arm motor, allowing the gripper gear to be operated by hand. To break the seizure some extra back-and-forth pressure might be necessary. Inject new oil (the SAE20 weight) and grease (Lubriplate or white Lithium grease) into all gears and bearings. Before re engaging (tightening down) the gripper arm motor, make sure the gripper arm is in sync with the change cycle. The gripper gear should spin freely. You should now be easily turn the motor shaft to run the gripper movement--test before applying motor power. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Hotel Don't stay in a roach motel. Click here to find great deals on hotels. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=mYWRKh-PUXbwq2Ysh4kYxQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA= From pat2355 at aol.com Tue Dec 1 14:11:38 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 1 14:13:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Not to play on just any jukebox......record sellsfor $10k on Ebay........ In-Reply-To: <4B15558D.3010909@telus.net> References: <2.2.32.20091201010903.009977fc@hsces.com> <752020.7794.qm@web112109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B15558D.3010909@telus.net> Message-ID: <8CC40EA63394537-277C-C44D@webmail-m081.sysops.aol.com> My last buyer didn't understand "as is" and wanted me to rerun the auction just between us, with me making the better offer and he scoffing at it. I imagine he'd hoped I'd continue to make offers. I quickly got to the F*CK him place and took the feedback. Auction buying and selling can be precarious and keep in mind that lots of the internet buying in still pretty young. From now on I'm putting in a buy it now, just so I can tell the buyer, "You ended my aution and who knows what it's really worth if it had run.......". Pat -----Original Message----- From: John Robertson To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Dec 1, 2009 9:42 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Not to play on just any jukebox......record sellsfor $10k on Ebay........ Aaron H wrote: > Whoa! There's been many times where I thought about doing that...putting in > a stupid bid like $1000 on a "must have" record at the last possible second > thinking that most people would try and bid on an item in increments of > $5.00 or so. It never occurred to me that someone ELSE would do the same > stupid thing. Holy geez! What would you do in a case like that??!! Contact > the bidder and say that you did something stupid and could he please sell it > for whatever the last reasonable bid was? I suppose that by eBay's > standards, the winning bid is the contractual amount that should be paid. > Wow..... I'm humbled by this. > > Aaron > > That is just foolish - putting in a 'stupid bid' . You are liable for any bid amount you place and eBay will try and hold you to it. It is the same at a physical auction. If you bid an amount you are responsible to pay that amount or loose your eBay account. What part of the agreement did you not read? The part that states "You are responsible for any amount you bid"? A promise to pay is a promise to pay. I did have a bidder once back out of his bid amount - it was on a very rare video game - by saying he had misplaced the decimal point on his offer, nice guy that I am I let him back out. Then I re-listed the item, which then sold for a fraction ($360US) of the high bid amount it sold for previously($3550US). I don't think I would let someone do that (back out) again! Sigh. John :-#)# > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:49 AM, David Breneman wrote: > > >> --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Bob Ellingson wrote: >> >> >>> Holy moly! Ten grand for a single? >>> >> A Vogue picture record sold on Ebay a few years ago for >> $30,000. The speculation is that two bidders put in last >> second "shut out" high bids, both expecting to actually >> get it for about 1/4 of that. >> >> >> -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Tue Dec 1 15:33:06 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 1 15:35:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Not to play on just any jukebox......record sellsfo r $10k on Ebay........ In-Reply-To: <20091201.132451.7208.3@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091201.132451.7208.3@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC40F5C4DA5577-25A0-D7A9@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> I heard about a guy who found a '30s Gibson guitar at a garage sale and made $40,000 on it. I heard he was able to pay off his house with it. At least, that's what I heard. -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: pinball@telus.net; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tue, Dec 1, 2009 12:24 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Not to play on just any jukebox......record sellsfo r $10k on Ebay........ Gentlemen: Some record collectors are motivated to buy rare-issue copies of records. I've never seen anyone offer to pay $10K for an obscure 45 RPM disc before. One of juke service customers that owns a W2100 is also a record collector. I've seen him readily pay $60 for a beat-up copy (too poor a quality to play in a juke) of an old blues tune on the Chance 45 RPM record label, where he thinks that's reasonable. On the other hand, the guy insists on keeping the mono cobra phono cartridge in his juke (not willing to upgrade to a stereo cartridge) which chews up his stereo 45's.Then he'll complain about the cost of $45 for a good-quality European-made cobra stylus that is a stereo-compatible stylus. Go figure. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=VGVw3nfPBEP_zVCcElUREAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 1 16:42:21 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Tue Dec 1 16:43:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleting a record. References: <20091201.134210.7208.4@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I'll add one more thing - lubrication problems with the Rockola gripper will usually show up immediately after starting to grip the record, where more force is required. After the record is lifted, the gripper assembly will usually move easily to and from the basket. Since the gripper is stuck in mid-air, it may be an electrical problem rather than mechanical. Check your microswitches and if the gripper is on the way back to the basket (you didn't say), check the cancel relay contacts and the cancel coil itself (I've had to replace some before) in the control box. Then again, it usually is a lubrication problem. Good luck, and let us know what you find. Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleting a record. Dave: I'm adding to Ron Rich's advice here. Consider this along WITH his cleaning/lube advice. Rockola gripper arm mechs' will sometimes seize up badly due to dried,caked-up grease in the gears, bearings, etc. To "unseize" It will be necessary to apply heat (a high output hair dryer, or if you have electronics tools, a heat-shrink gun) to the gripper arm area. Make note as to where the gripper arm is stuck in the change cycle. To do this correctly, you'll need to unbolt (but not remove) the gripper arm motor, allowing the gripper gear to be operated by hand. To break the seizure some extra back-and-forth pressure might be necessary. Inject new oil (the SAE20 weight) and grease (Lubriplate or white Lithium grease) into all gears and bearings. Before re engaging (tightening down) the gripper arm motor, make sure the gripper arm is in sync with the change cycle. The gripper gear should spin freely. You should now be easily turn the motor shaft to run the gripper movement--test before applying motor power. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Hotel Don't stay in a roach motel. 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I find this site very informative, with all your Q&A.(The ones I understand)best site on the web.I have a RO.Princess console (my first juke) I know its not a classic, but it plays and operates very well.I have just one question, is it possible to convert my turntable to one that will play dinked and undinked discs.At the moment it only plays dinked. Thanks in anticipation. Kind Regards. Jack. From wbabbott at yahoo.com Wed Dec 2 04:53:20 2009 From: wbabbott at yahoo.com (Britt Abbott) Date: Wed Dec 2 05:00:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Back On-Board Message-ID: <841910.45444.qm@web114010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello guys, I've been absent from the board for quite a while. For some reason my Verizon.net email will receive all the boards postings, but my posting/replies would not go through to the board. Anyway, you'll be hearing from me as I've got to get started on restoring the many Mills Throne of Musics I have in the garage.... Regards, Britt Abbott Chesapeake, VA From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Dec 2 06:11:45 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Wed Dec 2 06:13:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Was Rock-Ola 1475 - Won't make any selections - No w a Muting issue In-Reply-To: <20091201.125618.7208.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091201.125618.7208.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip, Jim. The manual is very vague about the muting circuit and if the second switch controls it. I was specifically looking for something that says MS2 mutes the amp and, of course, I couldn't find it. Nevertheless, I was able to determine the wiring from the switch down to the 4 pin plug through the schematic. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to make any valid tests at the amp, but I did find that when a record is playing, I can manually trip MS2 and I hear the switch click so it's not gummed up with old grease/oil... and I can also hear a small "pop" in the audio, but no muting occurs. My next step is to pull the amp and check the muting relay to see if it has failed or has dirty contact. The thing is that when I manually trip MS2, I can't hear any action from inside the amp indicating that the relay is moving - again, not as audible as the muting relay inside an AMI R-145 amp. The first thing I should do is to put a meter on the 4-pin plug at the amp and prove out for sure if the switch is working. If so, I'll pull the amp and test the relay directly. I was going to do all of the that last night, but a friend came over with Beatles Rock-Band so that was the end of the repairs. Aaron From mrbob46okie at yahoo.com Tue Dec 1 02:18:34 2009 From: mrbob46okie at yahoo.com (Bob Myers) Date: Wed Dec 2 09:07:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 100-78D Message-ID: <338841.99585.qm@web59201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> You don't have a red box for sale do you. I need the csp1 mcu box. I have a 77d I can't get the selection buttons to light up. I think its in the red box. Thanks Bob From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 2 09:32:48 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 2 09:35:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Was Rock-Ola 1475 - Won't make any selections - No w a Muting issue Message-ID: <20091202.123248.2331.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Aaron: >From what you're describing it sounds llike you either have a bad connection between the microswitch or a burned open mute relay coil. If you measure the coil with an ohmmeter it should measure on the order of 30 to 40 ohms. If you prefer to work on the machine powered up you should be able to trace the 28 V DC power and see where you're losing it. The microswitch on the record changer is simply completing a 28VDC circuit to the coil. When relay in the amp is engaged system is in a mute condition. Of course, also check for dirty contacts on this open frame relay. Last but not least, many early 60's juke manufacturers began using the "new" Amplok modular nylon connectors that used push-in connectiong pins where wire connections were made with a crimping tool. In this first generation series of these plugs, check to be sure none of the pins have worked loose--another source for "lost" connections. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Water Heater Some like it hot. Click now for a reliable new water heater! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=P4WjWdbNbkgeOEsAtzL2OQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIAAAAAA= From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Dec 2 09:52:56 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Wed Dec 2 09:54:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Was Rock-Ola 1475 - Won't make any selections - No w a Muting issue In-Reply-To: <20091202.123248.2331.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091202.123248.2331.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: WOW! Jim...did you jog a memory! We talked about this before in a problem I had with the volume control...how it wouldn't function because the one pin from the plug at the amp was not being grounded to the chassis. Turns out that the connecting pin for the ground inside the volume control jack had broken and pulled out. Once I fixed that, the volume control worked perfectly. I'll bet that the situation is very similar with the muting plug. I'll check that out later and report back. Aaron On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:32 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Aaron: > > >From what you're describing it sounds llike you either have a bad > connection between the microswitch or a burned open mute relay coil. If you > measure the coil with an ohmmeter it should measure on the order of 30 to 40 > ohms. > > If you prefer to work on the machine powered up you should be able to trace > the 28 V DC power and see where you're losing it. > > The microswitch on the record changer is simply completing a 28VDC circuit > to the coil. When relay in the amp is engaged system is in a mute > condition. > > Of course, also check for dirty contacts on this open frame relay. > > Last but not least, many early 60's juke manufacturers began using the > "new" Amplok modular nylon connectors that used push-in connectiong pins > where wire connections were made with a crimping tool. In this first > generation series of these plugs, check to be sure none of the pins have > worked loose--another source for "lost" connections. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Water Heater > Some like it hot. Click now for a reliable new water heater! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=P4WjWdbNbkgeOEsAtzL2OQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 2 10:00:02 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 2 10:02:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Message-ID: <20091202.130002.2331.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jack: Welcome to the group. You didn't mention the year made or model number (it's on a steel name plate on the back) of your Rockola Princess juke. The Princess models were made for quite a few years , having different mechanical and electronic changes. Early 60's Princess jukes are set up to play 45 RPM records only, using the large center holes. Later model Princess machines are equipped to play 7" 45's and 33 1/3 RPM records. The turntable is outfitted with a collapsing 45 RPM spindle using 3 spring loaded fingers. Placing a record with a small center-hole onto the platter triggers the speed change from 45 to 33 RPM. Since the 7" 33 RPM discs stopped being used in the 70's, I'm aware that quite a few European/English RockOla owners have modified these record changers to stay at 45 RPM, allowing the intermixed use of European (small-hole) 45 RPM records and the dinked (large-hole) records. If you have an early 60's 45-only machine, getting a hold of a junked turntable platter from one of the later models, and mechanically modifying it so the 45 spindle fingers are spring loaded could be an answer. On the 45/33 intermix models, a shift mechanism below the turntable keeps tension on the large hole "fingers". Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Lf-KUT8LoI4mcSPN2YVuHQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From jacjon at talktalk.net Wed Dec 2 14:35:45 2009 From: jacjon at talktalk.net (jacjon@talktalk.net) Date: Wed Dec 2 14:37:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie In-Reply-To: <20091202.130002.2331.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091202.130002.2331.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC41B6EBC2913D-13FC-C03@FRR5-L26./f> Hi James. First of all a big thank you for your rapid reply.I may have misled you some on the date and model of my juke. It is a Rock-Ola 1976 Princess console,(With no visible play)There are 3 fingers on the turntable,however they seem to be fixed.(Solid).and as far as I can tell,at the moment it will only play 45rpm. records.(Dinked) Please excuse my lack of knowledge,But thanks to this site,and people like yourself I am learning all the time. Thanks Again. Kind Regards. Jack (Manchester UK.) -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:00 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hello Jack: Welcome to the group. You didn't mention the year made or model number (it's on a steel name plate on the back) of your Rockola Princess juke. The Princess models were made for quite a few years , having different mechanical and electronic changes. Early 60's Princess jukes are set up to play 45 RPM records only, using the large center holes. Later model Princess machines are equipped to play 7" 45's and 33 1/3 RPM records. The turntable is outfitted with a collapsing 45 RPM spindle using 3 spring loaded fingers. Placing a record with a small center-hole onto the platter triggers the speed change from 45 to 33 RPM. Since the 7" 33 RPM discs stopped being used in the 70's, I'm aware that quite a few European/English RockOla owners have modified these record changers to stay at 45 RPM, allowing the intermixed use of European (small-hole) 45 RPM records and the dinked (large-hole) records. If you have an early 60's 45-only machine, getting a hold of a junked turntable platter from one of the later models, and mechanically modifying it so the 45 spindle fingers are spring loaded could be an answer. On the 45/33 intermix models, a shift mechanism below the turntable keeps tension on the large hole "fingers". Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Lf-KUT8LoI4mcSPN2YVuHQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Wed Dec 2 14:48:01 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Wed Dec 2 14:49:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie References: <20091202.130002.2331.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> <8CC41B6EBC2913D-13FC-C03@FRR5-L26./f> Message-ID: Hi Jack, If you lift the turntable off can you manually push the push the fingers down? If you can, and the mechanism to re set them is present on the motor mounting plate, then you just need to find out how the automix has been disabled and reverse this mod. Unfortunately, it's more likely that the 3 fingers are fixed in place. If this is the case you have 2 options - remove the fingers altogether (screw underneath) and play small hole records only, or obtain a replacement automix turntable and motor mounting plate that contains the re setting mechanism. These mechanism were used in many different RO models so you don't need to get one from your exact model. The main difference is likely to be the colour of turntable trim. Hope this helps, Best Regards, Adrian (UK, Shrewsbury) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi James. First of all a big thank you for your rapid reply.I may have misled you some on the date and model of my juke. It is a Rock-Ola 1976 Princess console,(With no visible play)There are 3 fingers on the turntable,however they seem to be fixed.(Solid).and as far as I can tell,at the moment it will only play 45rpm. records.(Dinked) Please excuse my lack of knowledge,But thanks to this site,and people like yourself I am learning all the time. Thanks Again. Kind Regards. Jack (Manchester UK.) -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:00 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hello Jack: Welcome to the group. You didn't mention the year made or model number (it's on a steel name plate on the back) of your Rockola Princess juke. The Princess models were made for quite a few years , having different mechanical and electronic changes. Early 60's Princess jukes are set up to play 45 RPM records only, using the large center holes. Later model Princess machines are equipped to play 7" 45's and 33 1/3 RPM records. The turntable is outfitted with a collapsing 45 RPM spindle using 3 spring loaded fingers. Placing a record with a small center-hole onto the platter triggers the speed change from 45 to 33 RPM. Since the 7" 33 RPM discs stopped being used in the 70's, I'm aware that quite a few European/English RockOla owners have modified these record changers to stay at 45 RPM, allowing the intermixed use of European (small-hole) 45 RPM records and the dinked (large-hole) records. If you have an early 60's 45-only machine, getting a hold of a junked turntable platter from one of the later models, and mechanically modifying it so the 45 spindle fingers are spring loaded could be an answer. On the 45/33 intermix models, a shift mechanism below the turntable keeps tension on the large hole "fingers". Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Lf-KUT8LoI4mcSPN2YVuHQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 19:43:00 From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Dec 2 15:13:51 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Wed Dec 2 15:15:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie In-Reply-To: References: <20091202.130002.2331.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> <8CC41B6EBC2913D-13FC-C03@FRR5-L26./f> Message-ID: <006f01ca73a5$1c323150$549693f0$@force9.co.uk> Hi Jack, Do you have a set of 3 chrome fingers, and inside them a set of red plastic ones that stick above the chrome ones ? Also, do you have a small centre spindle too ? (May late Rock Ola turntables did not have this. If the answer to both questions is yes, then if you lift the turntable and there is all manner of gubbins immediately below it, you're probably in luck. I have a rock Ola 470 that plays both dinked and undinked 45s. If you have all the bits there, it's a simple mod to play both speeds at 45, but on your machine it was only an optional extra so there is a likelihood it is not fitted. Best regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Juke of Shrewsbury Sent: 02 December 2009 22:48 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi Jack, If you lift the turntable off can you manually push the push the fingers down? If you can, and the mechanism to re set them is present on the motor mounting plate, then you just need to find out how the automix has been disabled and reverse this mod. Unfortunately, it's more likely that the 3 fingers are fixed in place. If this is the case you have 2 options - remove the fingers altogether (screw underneath) and play small hole records only, or obtain a replacement automix turntable and motor mounting plate that contains the re setting mechanism. These mechanism were used in many different RO models so you don't need to get one from your exact model. The main difference is likely to be the colour of turntable trim. Hope this helps, Best Regards, Adrian (UK, Shrewsbury) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi James. First of all a big thank you for your rapid reply.I may have misled you some on the date and model of my juke. It is a Rock-Ola 1976 Princess console,(With no visible play)There are 3 fingers on the turntable,however they seem to be fixed.(Solid).and as far as I can tell,at the moment it will only play 45rpm. records.(Dinked) Please excuse my lack of knowledge,But thanks to this site,and people like yourself I am learning all the time. Thanks Again. Kind Regards. Jack (Manchester UK.) -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:00 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hello Jack: Welcome to the group. You didn't mention the year made or model number (it's on a steel name plate on the back) of your Rockola Princess juke. The Princess models were made for quite a few years , having different mechanical and electronic changes. Early 60's Princess jukes are set up to play 45 RPM records only, using the large center holes. Later model Princess machines are equipped to play 7" 45's and 33 1/3 RPM records. The turntable is outfitted with a collapsing 45 RPM spindle using 3 spring loaded fingers. Placing a record with a small center-hole onto the platter triggers the speed change from 45 to 33 RPM. Since the 7" 33 RPM discs stopped being used in the 70's, I'm aware that quite a few European/English RockOla owners have modified these record changers to stay at 45 RPM, allowing the intermixed use of European (small-hole) 45 RPM records and the dinked (large-hole) records. If you have an early 60's 45-only machine, getting a hold of a junked turntable platter from one of the later models, and mechanically modifying it so the 45 spindle fingers are spring loaded could be an answer. On the 45/33 intermix models, a shift mechanism below the turntable keeps tension on the large hole "fingers". Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Lf-KUT8LoI4mcSPN2YVuHQAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 19:43:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 2 15:41:26 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 2 15:45:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Message-ID: <20091202.184126.16350.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Not sure how jukebox technicians have dealt with RockOla 45/33 intermix mechanical problems in the UK but one "repair" that's been seen in the US has been to super-glue the 3 large-hole fingers into the raised position on turntable platters. Apparently this was done to keep-marginal-condition record changers working at 45 RPM rather than correctly repairing a faulty shift mech. If your '76 Princess is equipped for 45/33 intermix (it should be) it will be a matter of "unsticking" the 3 fingers or replacing the turntable platter with one where the spindle works freely. The lever mechanism below the turntable, is triggered by downward pressure on the 3 fingers caused by a small-hole record being loaded. The shift mechanism then lifts the turntable idler wheel to the 33 RPM motor step. Disable the shift mechanism to keep the idler on 45 and you should be able to accomodate all 45 RPM discs,dinked or not. In the mid to late 70's a number of English and European record labels' imported records began to appear in the US. These were 7" 45's with small center holes. These couldn't be played on intermix-speed jukeboxes here. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=vOLH8px2zW1oGQMOIufIpwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 2 16:13:27 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 2 16:16:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Was Rock-Ola 1475 - Won't make any selections - No w a Muting issue Message-ID: <20091202.191327.16350.1@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> If my history is correct, These Amplok connectors were introduced in 1959 and the jukebox manufacturers all expressed interest in them. The 1959 Wurlitzer juke used multiples of these as their control/stepper connectors in lieu of their old-favorite Amphenol tube-socket based phenolic connectors. These early connectors had problems with the pins not staying anchored in place. By the time the 1961 Wurl. models came out, they had gone back to using the Amphenol connectors. By 1963 Amplok (and their competitive equivalents) had resolved the "fragile pin" problem. Seeburg made heavy use of these connectors in their '63 model jukebox. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=71CZVdtXSDaNzHkDpqxONgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 2 19:20:39 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 2 19:23:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 100-78D Message-ID: <20091202.222039.12823.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Sorry I don't. I have one set of working components for a 100-79M Stern-Seeburg box that I have and that's it. That box uses the micro computer, not the microlog system used in the earlier models. If you can't find the part you need at any of the usual parts places, I may be able to refer you to a few others that trafficed heavily in the 70's Seeburgs. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=CT07RLSLmCraZLz90JRKSQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From rellis2007 at aol.com Thu Dec 3 05:50:21 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 3 05:52:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A visit to Wurlitzer, 1950 In-Reply-To: <4B1477F0.5070004@comcast.net> References: <4B1477F0.5070004@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CC4236B0F75989-2B04-2ADD@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com> Robert this is the most interesting, enjoyable, and informative,pease. I have ever seen on this sight. thanks. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Robert Nickels To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:57 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] A visit to Wurlitzer, 1950 Two vintage videos that I suspect many here will find to be as fascinating as I did: Part I: http://www.archive.org/details/VisittoW1950 Part II: http://www.archive.org/details/VisittoW1950_2 73, Bob W9RAN _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 3 09:01:36 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 3 09:05:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A visit to Wurlitzer, 1950 Message-ID: <20091203.120136.7276.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Thanks for sharing your enthusiasm for this 1949 film, now in the public domain, showing construction of the Wurlitzer 1948 model 1100 jukebox. In the "didjaknow" department: In 1950, making a technicolor motion picture was a newly-developing (and expensive) technology. This is probably why there are color and black-white segments. If you go to (Gibson) Deutsche- Wurlitzer's factory website, (web: www. wurlitzer-jukebox.com) this movie is posted and available there for viewing or downloading along with Wurlitzer's on-line museum. If you go to E Bay or other selling sites there are "entrepreneurs" there who are willing to sell you a DVD or VHS copy of this free-to-the-public film. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=1CZORwE6i2nOq6rbRpBfowAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Dec 3 08:29:17 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Dec 3 09:33:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A visit to Wurlitzer, 1950 In-Reply-To: <4B1477F0.5070004@comcast.net> References: <4B1477F0.5070004@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bob, I finally had time to sit and watch the videos...thanks so much, it gives me a new appreciation to all the hard work and "ahead of their time" developments the technicians came up with. I assume competition was a huge factor, especially in durability and appearance. Jackie On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:57 PM, Robert Nickels wrote: > Two vintage videos that I suspect many here will find to be as fascinating as I did: > > Part I: > http://www.archive.org/details/VisittoW1950 > > Part II: > http://www.archive.org/details/VisittoW1950_2 > > > 73, Bob W9RAN > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Dec 3 10:33:10 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Dec 3 10:34:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A visit to Wurlitzer, 1950 In-Reply-To: <20091203.120136.7276.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091203.120136.7276.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: To add to the info below, Victory Glass has sold another Wurlitzer film, for years. I can't remember the name, but it was aimed at the operators, and told about the best way to make a profit. I believe it was done in the 1015 era, and is well worth seeing. Shows lots of jukes on location, and the marketing themes in place. Not sure if it's in the public domain though. I have an old VHS copy, and it's available on DVD now. If you liked the tour of the factory, you'll like this one. Too bad there's no other tours of other juke manufacturers. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, December, 03 12:02 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A visit to Wurlitzer, 1950 Gentlemen: Thanks for sharing your enthusiasm for this 1949 film, now in the public domain, showing construction of the Wurlitzer 1948 model 1100 jukebox. In the "didjaknow" department: In 1950, making a technicolor motion picture was a newly-developing (and expensive) technology. This is probably why there are color and black-white segments. If you go to (Gibson) Deutsche- Wurlitzer's factory website, (web: www. wurlitzer-jukebox.com) this movie is posted and available there for viewing or downloading along with Wurlitzer's on-line museum. If you go to E Bay or other selling sites there are "entrepreneurs" there who are willing to sell you a DVD or VHS copy of this free-to-the-public film. 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L?exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s?y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu?il contient par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m?en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. From vfrpilot at aol.com Thu Dec 3 12:08:11 2009 From: vfrpilot at aol.com (Tom Hennessey) Date: Thu Dec 3 12:16:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1952 Rockola Fireball Message-ID: <8CC426B7911D2ED-1D68-B571@webmail-m008.sysops.aol.com> Hello, I have a 1952 Rockola Fireball jukebox that is in very good condition but has developed some type of short which constantly pops the fuse in the box that registers the number of plays on the machine. I am trying to find someone that could do a service call and come to my house to fix it. I am located in southern Virginia 8 miles north of North Carolina just off of 95. It is impossible for me to move the machine as it is up on the third floor of our home and it is very large and heavy. Anyone that could help me out with fixing it or locating someone that can would be greatly appreciated. I want my jukebox back. Tom vfrpilot@aol.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 3 14:30:12 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 3 14:31:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1952 Rockola Fireball In-Reply-To: <8CC426B7911D2ED-1D68-B571@webmail-m008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <14510.92708.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, I don't know of anyone in your area--perhaps one of the other guys may, so keep watching. If you care to tackle it yourself---the most common cause of that type of a problem is a dirty "coin unit", aka "slug rejector".? This usually can easily be removed from the phono, and washed in a "tub" of hot, liquid dishwasher soap, and water. Dry with a WARM hair drier-- One caution --do not ever "over (size) fuse" that (or any other unit).? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Tom Hennessey wrote: From: Tom Hennessey Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1952 Rockola Fireball To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 12:08 PM Hello, I have a 1952 Rockola Fireball jukebox that is in very good condition but has developed some type of short which constantly pops the fuse in the box that registers the number of plays on the machine. I am trying to find someone that could do a service call and come to my house to fix it. I am located in southern Virginia 8 miles north of North Carolina just off of 95. It is impossible for me to move the machine as it is up on the third floor of our home and it is very large and heavy. Anyone that could help me out with fixing it or locating someone that can would be greatly appreciated. I want my jukebox back. Tom vfrpilot@aol.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 3 15:27:51 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 3 15:31:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1952 Rockola Fireball Message-ID: <20091203.182751.15052.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Hello Tom: Here are the names of some independent jukebox repair technicians near your area that will make house calls.These are from a recent list published by Jukebox Collector magazine. Personally, I don't know any of these people or the quality of their work. Maybe one of these guys can help you, or can refer you to someone closer to your city. Don Frederick Asheville NC PH 828 298 9751 no other contact info. Zuddie Smith Suffolk VA PH 757 484 9288 notes say specializing in 50's Seeburg, Wurl and AMI James Ward Greenwood SC PH 864 980 6797 Cliff's Home Amusements Williamsburg, VA. (tidewater?) PH 757 287 7781 Paul Howlett VA. (no city listed) PH 703 361 0420 There are several names in the Baltimore MD area, if that's near you. >From your letter, I don't know if you're mechanically handy or willing to tackle some simple repair work on your own.The trouble you're describing sounds like a fuse is blowing on the juke's power supply chassis because a relay or solenoid may be jammed or is mechanically sticking on the popularity meter, the credit unit or in the selection registration circuit. To get a handle on the problem on your own, you'll need to ID the jukebox model you have (there's a steel nameplate on the back of the cabinet) From your description, it is probably a model 1436. You should buy a service manual for the juke if you don't have one. (about a $25-30 expense) so that you'll be able to identify the key components of the machine and what they do. People on this forum will be able to walk you through some repairs here---. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=aLWj_xnrjKjSmc4vjc6p0gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From wbabbott at yahoo.com Thu Dec 3 17:05:48 2009 From: wbabbott at yahoo.com (Britt Abbott) Date: Thu Dec 3 17:12:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1952 Rockola Fireball In-Reply-To: <20091203.182751.15052.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091203.182751.15052.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <993349.84259.qm@web114015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tom, I assume you live near Emporia or Skippers, VA. I'm in Chesapeake, VA and drive to Rocky Mt, NC and Richmond area frequently to visit my companies locations. Zuddie Smith is down by me in Suffolk, VA? on the list below in James Alexander's note below, but?Zuddie only works on Seeburgs as he's?one of?the nations premier Seeburg restorers. There is Thorpe Music in Rocky Mt, NC @ 252-446-9117, however, I don't think Mr. Thorpe does house calls. I have a Rockola 1428, 1438, and 1448. Yours, I believe is a 1436 which is basically the same as a 1438. Is the fuse blowing in the accumulator in the door or is it blowing a fuse in the power supply box in the bottom of the cabinet where everything plugs in? When you plug the juke in and turn it on, what do you do that makes it blow a fuse..? Does dropping a coin in cause it to blow, or is it pushing a button to select a song? What action causes it to blow the fuse? Britt ________________________________ From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 3:27:51 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1952 Rockola Fireball Hello Tom: Here are the names of some independent jukebox repair technicians near your area that will make house calls.These are from a recent list published by Jukebox Collector magazine.? Personally, I don't know any of these people or the quality of their work.? ? Maybe one of these guys can help you, or can refer you to someone closer to your city.? Don Frederick? Asheville NC? PH 828 298 9751? no other contact info. Zuddie Smith? ? Suffolk VA? ? ? PH? 757 484 9288? notes say specializing in 50's Seeburg, Wurl and AMI James Ward? ? ? Greenwood? SC? PH 864 980 6797 Cliff's Home Amusements? Williamsburg, VA.? (tidewater?)? PH 757 287 7781 Paul Howlett? ? ? VA.? (no city listed)? PH 703 361 0420 There are several names in the Baltimore MD area, if that's near you. >From your letter, I don't know if you're mechanically handy or willing to tackle some simple repair work on your own.The trouble you're describing sounds like a fuse is blowing on the juke's power supply chassis because a relay or solenoid may be jammed or is mechanically sticking on the popularity meter, the credit unit or in the selection registration circuit.? To get a handle on the problem on your own, you'll need to ID the jukebox model you have? (there's a steel nameplate on the back of the cabinet) From your description, it is probably a model 1436.? You should buy a service manual for the juke if you don't have one. (about a $25-30 expense) so that you'll be able to identify the key components of the machine and what they do. People on this forum will be able to walk you through some repairs here---. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=aLWj_xnrjKjSmc4vjc6p0gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dave at bennions.net Fri Dec 4 08:28:21 2009 From: dave at bennions.net (Dave Bennion) Date: Fri Dec 4 08:30:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleti ng a record. In-Reply-To: <20091203.120136.7276.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091203.120136.7276.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <042d01ca74fe$cbdacdb0$63906910$@net> Hi I have done what was advised in the earlier posts and by oiling the mechanism I can now move the gripper arm using the spindle on the bottom of the motor. The problem is that I don't seem able to get the motor to run even though the arm is now nice and free. Also while lights come on in the jukebox nothing much else happens e.g. even move the service scan switch does nothing. Any clues on what to do next? E.g do I have to reset something? Thanks in advance Dave From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 4 09:34:04 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 4 09:35:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleti ng a record. In-Reply-To: <042d01ca74fe$cbdacdb0$63906910$@net> Message-ID: <25723.1391.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave, Check fuses, and/or circuit breakers---if I remember right, it's a 1 & 6/10 amp slow blowing fuse in that circuit.? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Dave Bennion wrote: From: Dave Bennion Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleti ng a record. To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 8:28 AM Hi I have done what was advised in the earlier posts and by oiling the mechanism I can now move the gripper arm using the spindle on the bottom of the motor. The problem is that I don't seem able to get the motor to run even though the arm is now nice and free. Also while lights come on in the jukebox nothing much else happens e.g. even move the service scan switch does nothing.? Any clues on what to do next? E.g do I have to reset something? Thanks in advance Dave _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 4 10:12:27 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 4 10:15:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleti ng a record. Message-ID: <20091204.131227.2722.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> You may have blown a DC fuse that supplies power to the robotics motor. This fuse is located on the jukebox power supply chassis. On yourCapri, this should be located on the upper back wall at the right side of the machine. I think the fuse value is on the order of 1.5 to 2 A slo-blow. As these DC robotics motors are lugged down by mechanical jams, they draw more current. Since you found the gripper arm mechanism got jammed, it would be a good preventive measure to check out the other motor that spins the record basket. Make sure it turns freely and doesn't need lubing. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Vl2XBsYY9EQtQQ_YQFh8XgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From dave at bennions.net Fri Dec 4 10:24:13 2009 From: dave at bennions.net (Dave Bennion) Date: Fri Dec 4 10:25:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleti ng a record. In-Reply-To: <20091204.131227.2722.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091204.131227.2722.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <046101ca750e$fb9c8010$f2d58030$@net> Ron/Jim Yep the 1.5 amp fuse is blown so hopefully this is the problem. I will get to Maplin tomorrow and get a new fuse and let you know how I go. Thanks Dave -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 04 December 2009 18:12 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleti ng a record. You may have blown a DC fuse that supplies power to the robotics motor. This fuse is located on the jukebox power supply chassis. On yourCapri, this should be located on the upper back wall at the right side of the machine. I think the fuse value is on the order of 1.5 to 2 A slo-blow. As these DC robotics motors are lugged down by mechanical jams, they draw more current. Since you found the gripper arm mechanism got jammed, it would be a good preventive measure to check out the other motor that spins the record basket. Make sure it turns freely and doesn't need lubing. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Vl2XBsYY9EQtQQ_YQFh8XgAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dave at bennions.net Fri Dec 4 11:12:11 2009 From: dave at bennions.net (Dave Bennion) Date: Fri Dec 4 11:13:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleti ng a record. In-Reply-To: <046101ca750e$fb9c8010$f2d58030$@net> References: <20091204.131227.2722.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> <046101ca750e$fb9c8010$f2d58030$@net> Message-ID: <046e01ca7515$af21ee80$0d65cb80$@net> Guys Your magic!!!! Just installed new fuse and everything fine. I have oiled all the gears so will make sure I do that regularly. Thank you very much :). Dave -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Dave Bennion Sent: 04 December 2009 18:24 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleti ng a record. Ron/Jim Yep the 1.5 amp fuse is blown so hopefully this is the problem. I will get to Maplin tomorrow and get a new fuse and let you know how I go. Thanks Dave -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 04 December 2009 18:12 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleti ng a record. You may have blown a DC fuse that supplies power to the robotics motor. This fuse is located on the jukebox power supply chassis. On yourCapri, this should be located on the upper back wall at the right side of the machine. I think the fuse value is on the order of 1.5 to 2 A slo-blow. As these DC robotics motors are lugged down by mechanical jams, they draw more current. Since you found the gripper arm mechanism got jammed, it would be a good preventive measure to check out the other motor that spins the record basket. Make sure it turns freely and doesn't need lubing. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Vl2XBsYY9EQtQQ_YQFh8XgAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 4 12:33:59 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 4 12:36:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Capri II - Pickup arm is stuck after seleti ng a record. Message-ID: <20091204.153359.21293.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Hello Dave: Glad it worked out for you. A jukebox mechanism in typical home use should be cleaned and oiled approximately once every 5 years to assure dependable operation. Your service manual will indicate this should be done every 6 months--this is assuming the unit is intended for heavy use in a commercial environment. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Vr9R6BiNrP2PvhwTg_q0NgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From smlynch at cableone.net Fri Dec 4 12:50:19 2009 From: smlynch at cableone.net (Steve Lynch) Date: Fri Dec 4 12:52:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Installing free play on Continental 2 Message-ID: <6243931CE4C6438794F559DDBE2DADD3@DellD7VLX721> What is the easiest and safest way to put an AMI Continental 2 on free play? Steve in Idaho From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Fri Dec 4 13:25:54 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Fri Dec 4 13:27:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Installing free play on Continental 2 In-Reply-To: <6243931CE4C6438794F559DDBE2DADD3@DellD7VLX721> References: <6243931CE4C6438794F559DDBE2DADD3@DellD7VLX721> Message-ID: <002d01ca7528$5cbecbf0$163c63d0$@force9.co.uk> Steve, Open the rear door, bottom left, you will see the credit unit. Remove all the credits by winding the credit counter back to 0 (anti clockwise all the way I think). Your credit light will go out. (Wipers will be off the last hot segments now) Now, undo the wiper assembly on it with an Allen key. Hold the centre shaft and move the wiper part only, anti clockwise until a credit is reached (wipers will be on a hot segment now on the circuit board). Tighten the wipers with the Allen key. Now, whether you put on credits or not, it will not subtract to zero. On a Continental the latch bar solenoid is energised when there are no credits (opposite to most) so it won't do any harm, Regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Steve Lynch Sent: 04 December 2009 20:50 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Installing free play on Continental 2 What is the easiest and safest way to put an AMI Continental 2 on free play? Steve in Idaho _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinplayers at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 07:26:12 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Sat Dec 5 07:27:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume In-Reply-To: <20091124.130946.29267.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091124.130946.29267.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e0912050726h2ccb3883j974245ede02e0@mail.gmail.com> Jim thanks for all the help as well as others here on the group. I have oedered tested and replaced all tubes on the AMP but it seems I have taken on the never ending project. I had originally posted that I had taken on a Seeburg model M100C as a favor for our local diner that will be opening soon. It had terrible sound with low volume, in addition it also had the following issues that I did not post as I thought I could correct them. The Juke would not select consistently, the mech would not return to the home state after the last selection played, and it will take only one quarter at a time anything put in the shoot simply goes to the coin box with no credit. So I started the project 4 weeks ago and I'm here to report after recapping both the AMP and the receiver unit, cleaning all contacts taking care of bad sold connections replacing all tubes with new ones. I have made zero progress:-( I still have low volume and all the other issues stated above. I do appreciate the help received from everyone it has help me work through several trouble shooting scenario's but I feel like I'm just going in circles at this point any help with the following would be appreciated. Low Volume: Tested the AVC by pulling the 6SK7 tube volume "gain" increases Bass and Treble Controls Set volume to half was able to hear the treble and bass controls work through each setting AVC control and speaker switch working with notable changes at each setting Newer Picking head installed needles swapped Resoldered tone arm connection's (they were hanging on by a thread) New tubes tested and swapped in Result the quality of the sound has improved but the low volume remains un changed Other Issues: * After the final selection is played the record is released but not returned to the holder and mech stops. When the next selection is made the cycle will complete ( the previous record is put in the holder and the next recorded is picked and played). * Not all selections play, with a credit displayed you make a selection and nothing happens however your credit is used. * When you put in one quarter you get one credit and subsequent quarters will not give additional credits but go to the cash box. I know this is a lot but if I could get some suggestions on where to look for these issues it would be appreciated. I have both the operation manual and the tech manual. Also the AMP had some in there prior who had swapped out a few caps (5 or 6) and did a poor job at that. The Receiver was not touched previously. Regards Don. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:09 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Don: > > The problem is not necesssarily in the AVC circuit. By removing the 6SK7 > tube, this disables the AVC, which gates up the available amplifier gain by > 15-20 db. The purpose for doing this test was to determine that the > loudness-contour circuit (associated with vol. control) and the bass-control > circuit were operational. > > You now need to troubleshoot where the loss of volume in the amplifier > signal chain is occurring. This could be a tube failure that won't show up > in a tube-checker test. The only real way to tell is to replace the > tubes,one at a time, by substitution. > The tubes that I would first check are the 5U4 rectifier and the 5879 > preamp tube. > Once you solve that problem, reinstall the 6SK7 in order to restore the AVC > action. The purpose of the AVC circuit is for the amplifier to auto-correct > it's volume setting, and maintaining a constant listening level.Records are > recorded at varying average volume levels. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Liberty University Online > Earn a bachelors degree online in Nursing. Get free info now! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=2O6l9GcXI9FRDQvRbqLkKwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAHv37z4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSGmAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From magic-4u at pacbell.net Sat Dec 5 08:08:39 2009 From: magic-4u at pacbell.net (Bradley Grant) Date: Sat Dec 5 08:10:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 1100 coin mech Message-ID: <0AEFD149-B482-43C7-BF0E-79439E15BF4B@pacbell.net> I am working on a W 1100-- I found a coin mech and put it in-- only problem is when I make a selection (when there are more than 1 credit) the cancel solenoid machine guns to take off all the credits at once. Probably something simple, but I haven't figured it out yet-- need more time to spend with it. If anyone has ever fixed the same, let me know! Funny thing is, my 1250 (same type coin mech) does the same thing. Any help appreciated Thanks, Brad From jay at west.net Sat Dec 5 09:17:44 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Dec 5 09:19:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e0912050726h2ccb3883j974245ede02e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091124.130946.29267.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <8cf1842e0912050726h2ccb3883j974245ede02e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1A95B8.5010601@west.net> Donald Whiting wrote: > Other Issues: > > * After the final selection is played the record is released but not > returned to the holder and mech stops. When the next selection is made the > cycle will complete ( the previous record is put in the holder and the next > recorded is picked and played). This is normal behavior. If there are no selections remaining, power to the mech is cut immediately after the last selection is unclamped. It gets about halfway back to the record rack as the motor spins down. > * Not all selections play, with a credit displayed you make a selection and > nothing happens however your credit is used. Your pinbank needs to be rebuilt. This is the long assembly behind the record rack with the thick cable coming out of one end. There are 100 small coils that pull pins to set selections, controlled by five group coils. The pins are read by the contact block as the mech scans and reset by coils on the contact block. It's a tedious process to do this right as you need to disassemble the pinbank. You may get a temporary fix by manually operating the sticky pins and using contact cleaner. Search the archives, this has been discussed before. > * When you put in one quarter you get one credit and subsequent quarters > will not give additional credits but go to the cash box. This is also normal. The instruction glass should read "Select after each coin". The credit unit on these machines does not keep a running total of coins inserted. You can adjust the number of plays per coin up to six. It was originally nickel = 1 play, dime = 2, quarter = 6. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 5 09:45:11 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 5 09:46:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e0912050726h2ccb3883j974245ede02e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59914.75855.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Don, I am going to assume that your problem is not in the amp--at least for now-- You mentioned a new Pickering cartridge--Which one ?? Did you check the "squelch" (MS) contacts on the mechanism ? I have also seen poor connections at the speaker plug cause low volume--which model amp is installed ? As for the record not returning all the way into the rack---no problem--read the service manual--that's what it's supposed to do-- As for the coin not crediting--read the coin instructions--"Make selections after depositing EACH coin", There is NO coin (credit) "accumulator" in that phono-- As for it not "making all selections" this is usually an indication that the SA unit needs to be "rebuilt"--a time consuming/"rotten" job--and also one of the reasons I charge "big bucks" for rebuilding them !!? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/5/09, Donald Whiting wrote: From: Donald Whiting Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 7:26 AM Jim thanks for all the help as well as others here on the group. I have oedered tested and replaced all tubes on the AMP but it seems I have taken on the never ending project. I had originally posted that I had taken on a Seeburg model M100C as a favor for our local diner that will be opening soon. It had terrible sound with low volume, in addition it also had the following issues that I did not post as I thought I could correct them. The Juke would not select consistently, the mech would not return to the home state after the last selection played, and it will take only one quarter at a time anything put in the shoot simply goes to the coin box with no credit. So I started the project 4 weeks ago and I'm here to report after recapping both the AMP and the receiver unit, cleaning all contacts taking care of bad sold connections replacing all tubes with new ones. I have made zero progress:-( I still have low volume and all the other issues stated above. I do appreciate the help received from everyone it has help me work through several trouble shooting scenario's but I feel like I'm just going in circles at this point any help with the following would be appreciated. Low Volume: Tested the AVC by pulling the 6SK7 tube volume "gain" increases Bass and Treble Controls Set volume to half was able to hear the treble and bass controls work through each setting AVC control and speaker switch working with notable changes at each setting Newer Picking head installed needles swapped Resoldered tone arm connection's (they were hanging on by a thread) New tubes tested and swapped in Result the quality of the sound has improved but the low volume remains un changed Other Issues: * After the final selection is played the record is released but not returned to the holder and mech stops. When the next selection is made the cycle will complete ( the previous record is put in the holder and the next recorded is picked and played). * Not all selections play, with a credit displayed you make a selection and nothing happens however your credit is used. * When you put in one quarter you get one credit and subsequent quarters will not give additional credits but go to the cash box. I know this is a lot but if I could get some suggestions on where to look for these issues it would be appreciated. I have both the operation manual and the tech manual. Also the AMP had some in there prior who had swapped out a few caps (5 or 6) and did a poor job at that. The Receiver was not touched previously. Regards Don. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:09 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Don: > > The problem is not necesssarily in the AVC circuit.? By removing the 6SK7 > tube, this disables the AVC, which gates up the available amplifier gain by > 15-20 db.? ? The purpose for doing this test was to determine that the > loudness-contour circuit (associated with vol. control) and the bass-control > circuit were operational. > > You now need to troubleshoot where the loss of volume in the amplifier > signal chain is occurring.? This could be a tube failure that won't show up > in a tube-checker test.? The only real way to tell is to replace the > tubes,one at a time,? by substitution. > The tubes that I would first check are the 5U4 rectifier and the 5879 > preamp tube. > Once you solve that problem, reinstall the 6SK7 in order to restore the AVC > action.? The purpose of the AVC circuit is for the amplifier to auto-correct > it's volume setting, and maintaining a constant listening level.Records are > recorded at varying average volume levels. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Liberty University Online > Earn a bachelors degree online in Nursing. Get free info now! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=2O6l9GcXI9FRDQvRbqLkKwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAAHv37z4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABSGmAAAAAA= >? _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinplayers at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 09:45:31 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Sat Dec 5 09:47:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume In-Reply-To: <4B1A95B8.5010601@west.net> References: <20091124.130946.29267.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <8cf1842e0912050726h2ccb3883j974245ede02e0@mail.gmail.com> <4B1A95B8.5010601@west.net> Message-ID: <8cf1842e0912050945w751c6c73ndabf16b0ac0f011f@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for all the info I guess my ignorance is coming through on this one. This is the earliest Seeburg I have worked on but I have to admit I do enjoy it working on them with all its frustrations:-) Don. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Donald Whiting wrote: > > Other Issues: >> >> * After the final selection is played the record is released but not >> returned to the holder and mech stops. When the next selection is made the >> cycle will complete ( the previous record is put in the holder and the >> next >> recorded is picked and played). >> > > This is normal behavior. If there are no selections remaining, power to > the mech is cut immediately after the last selection is unclamped. It gets > about halfway back to the record rack as the motor spins down. > > > * Not all selections play, with a credit displayed you make a selection and >> nothing happens however your credit is used. >> > > Your pinbank needs to be rebuilt. This is the long assembly behind the > record rack with the thick cable coming out of one end. There are 100 small > coils that pull pins to set selections, controlled by five group coils. The > pins are read by the contact block as the mech scans and reset by coils on > the contact block. It's a tedious process to do this right as you need to > disassemble the pinbank. You may get a temporary fix by manually operating > the sticky pins and using contact cleaner. Search the archives, this has > been discussed before. > > > * When you put in one quarter you get one credit and subsequent quarters >> will not give additional credits but go to the cash box. >> > > This is also normal. The instruction glass should read "Select after each > coin". The credit unit on these machines does not keep a running total of > coins inserted. You can adjust the number of plays per coin up to six. It > was originally nickel = 1 play, dime = 2, quarter = 6. > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From DriveInFleaMarket at verizon.net Sat Dec 5 10:15:54 2009 From: DriveInFleaMarket at verizon.net (DriveInFleaMarket) Date: Sat Dec 5 11:19:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume In-Reply-To: <4B1A95B8.5010601@west.net> References: <20091124.130946.29267.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <8cf1842e0912050726h2ccb3883j974245ede02e0@mail.gmail.com> <4B1A95B8.5010601@west.net> Message-ID: <4B1AA35A.6070302@verizon.net> Jay Hennigan wrote: > Donald Whiting wrote: > >> Other Issues: >> >> * After the final selection is played the record is released but not >> returned to the holder and mech stops. When the next selection is >> made the >> cycle will complete ( the previous record is put in the holder and >> the next >> recorded is picked and played). > > This is normal behavior. If there are no selections remaining, power > to the mech is cut immediately after the last selection is unclamped. > It gets about halfway back to the record rack as the motor spins down. > >> * Not all selections play, with a credit displayed you make a >> selection and >> nothing happens however your credit is used. > > Your pinbank needs to be rebuilt. This is the long assembly behind > the record rack with the thick cable coming out of one end. There are > 100 small coils that pull pins to set selections, controlled by five > group coils. The pins are read by the contact block as the mech scans > and reset by coils on the contact block. It's a tedious process to do > this right as you need to disassemble the pinbank. You may get a > temporary fix by manually operating the sticky pins and using contact > cleaner. Search the archives, this has been discussed before. > >> * When you put in one quarter you get one credit and subsequent quarters >> will not give additional credits but go to the cash box. > > This is also normal. The instruction glass should read "Select after > each coin". The credit unit on these machines does not keep a running > total of coins inserted. You can adjust the number of plays per coin > up to six. It was originally nickel = 1 play, dime = 2, quarter = 6. > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > Since you appear to be a little unfamiliar with the juke, you do know the volume control is located under the amp, right???? From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 5 17:14:21 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 5 17:17:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume Message-ID: <20091205.201421.16966.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Don: I'm at a loss as to what to recommend for you at this point, other than: 1. Amplifier There is still a loss-of-gain problem that you're going to need to ID and find. This kind of problem will grow worse with age. Disabling the AVC circuit gave you about +20 db gain, as a temp. measure, to verify the operation of the bass-treble-loudness contour circuits. This isn't a permanent cure. The auto-adjust capability of the AVC circuit will be needed in the diner application you intend for this machine. If you're technically not sure what to do at this point, you should contact one of the amp-rebuilding servicers. 2. selection receiver same as above, if you don't want to work on it yourself. The credit accumulator problem you talked about would be included in this repair. 3. selections not registering This is most likely due to connectivity faults within the selection pinbank, located behind the record rack. Pinbank cleaning, repair is a tedious,time-consuming job, and can be sent out to others if you'd rather not do the work yourself. All of the other work you described performing probably needed to be done and,as a preventive measure, will go a long way in contributing to the operational longevity of your 100C jukebox for the diner. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=hMoI8hQUUiRdjbwWOPgjdAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 5 17:52:50 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Sat Dec 5 17:54:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 1100 coin mech References: <0AEFD149-B482-43C7-BF0E-79439E15BF4B@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <1C97CADF60274A428F49EFFA39EA8937@dirksen> Remove the cover of your coin registration unit - inside is a timing switch at the upper left hand corner above the cancel solenoid plunger. As you make a selection and the cancel solenoid plunger pulls in to remove a credit, the timing switch is actuated by a spring. I can't remember for sure, but the timing switch has 2 or 3 sets of leaf switches. One set of these contacts is in series with the cancel coil and is supposed to open up to prevent taking off more than one credit. Check this first and let us know. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bradley Grant" To: Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 1100 coin mech >I am working on a W 1100-- I found a coin mech and put it in-- only > problem is when I make a selection (when there are more than 1 > credit) the cancel solenoid machine guns to take off all the credits > at once. Probably something simple, but I haven't figured it out yet-- > need more time to spend with it. If anyone has ever fixed the same, > let me know! Funny thing is, my 1250 (same type coin mech) does the > same thing. > Any help appreciated > Thanks, Brad > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.95/2546 - Release Date: 12/05/09 03:13:00 From g.hrmn at verizon.net Sun Dec 6 04:54:25 2009 From: g.hrmn at verizon.net (g.hrmn) Date: Sun Dec 6 05:58:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Amp Test Rig Message-ID: <200912060754.25253.g.hrmn@verizon.net> Greetings all, Has anyone built a bench test rig that can be used on all seeburg and perhaps rockola and ami amplifiers? If so, can you guide us in the right direction? Thanks, g.hrmn From jacjon at talktalk.net Sun Dec 6 05:59:38 2009 From: jacjon at talktalk.net (jacjon@talktalk.net) Date: Sun Dec 6 06:01:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie In-Reply-To: <006f01ca73a5$1c323150$549693f0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <8CC44937B951274-1230-33F8@FRR2-L25./f> Hi Gents. Once again a big thank you for your interest and advice.It looks like I have the wrong turntable(what else)to be able to play both dinked and undinked discs.The 3 crome fingers are set rigid,and no red plastic ones either.Also its a large centre spindle(Fixed to turntable) that just slots into the bush on the motor.Looks like I will have to get a replacement turntable and motor?. Anyway a Merry Christmas to all and yours. Kind Regards. Jack. Manchester UK. -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Pugh To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:13 Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi Jack, Do you have a set of 3 chrome fingers, and inside them a set of red plastic ones that stick above the chrome ones ? Also, do you have a small centre spindle too ? (May late Rock Ola turntables did not have this. If the answer to both questions is yes, then if you lift the turntable and there is all manner of gubbins immediately below it, you're probably in luck. I have a rock Ola 470 that plays both dinked and undinked 45s. If you have all the bits there, it's a simple mod to play both speeds at 45, but on your machine it was only an optional extra so there is a likelihood it is not fitted. Best regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Juke of Shrewsbury Sent: 02 December 2009 22:48 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi Jack, If you lift the turntable off can you manually push the push the fingers down? If you can, and the mechanism to re set them is present on the motor mounting plate, then you just need to find out how the automix has been disabled and reverse this mod. Unfortunately, it's more likely that the 3 fingers are fixed in place. If this is the case you have 2 options - remove the fingers altogether (screw underneath) and play small hole records only, or obtain a replacement automix turntable and motor mounting plate that contains the re setting mechanism. These mechanism were used in many different RO models so you don't need to get one from your exact model. The main difference is likely to be the colour of turntable trim. Hope this helps, Best Regards, Adrian (UK, Shrewsbury) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi James. First of all a big thank you for your rapid reply.I may have misled you some on the date and model of my juke. It is a Rock-Ola 1976 Princess console,(With no visible play)There are 3 fingers on the turntable,however they seem to be fixed.(Solid).and as far as I can tell,at the moment it will only play 45rpm. records.(Dinked) Please excuse my lack of knowledge,But thanks to this site,and people like yourself I am learning all the time. Thanks Again. Kind Regards. Jack (Manchester UK.) -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:00 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hello Jack: Welcome to the group. You didn't mention the year made or model number (it's on a steel name plate on the back) of your Rockola Princess juke. The Princess models were made for quite a few years , having different mechanical and electronic changes. Early 60's Princess jukes are set up to play 45 RPM records only, using the large center holes. Later model Princess machines are equipped to play 7" 45's and 33 1/3 RPM records. The turntable is outfitted with a collapsing 45 RPM spindle using 3 spring loaded fingers. Placing a record with a small center-hole onto the platter triggers the speed change from 45 to 33 RPM. Since the 7" 33 RPM discs stopped being used in the 70's, I'm aware that quite a few European/English RockOla owners have modified these record changers to stay at 45 RPM, allowing the intermixed use of European (small-hole) 45 RPM records and the dinked (large-hole) records. If you have an early 60's 45-only machine, getting a hold of a junked turntable platter from one of the later models, and mechanically modifying it so the 45 spindle fingers are spring loaded could be an answer. On the 45/33 intermix models, a shift mechanism below the turntable keeps tension on the large hole "fingers". Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Lf-KUT8LoI4mcSPN2YVuHQAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 19:43:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinball at telus.net Sun Dec 6 08:49:24 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Dec 6 08:51:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Amp Test Rig In-Reply-To: <200912060754.25253.g.hrmn@verizon.net> References: <200912060754.25253.g.hrmn@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4B1BE094.9040502@telus.net> g.hrmn wrote: > Greetings all, > Has anyone built a bench test rig that can be used on all seeburg and perhaps > rockola and ami amplifiers? If so, can you guide us in the right direction? > Thanks, > g.hrmn > > I used a single transformer that generates 6.3VAC @ 10A plus 33VAC, 24VAC and a few others - from an old SEGA arcade game (I have no spares of this transformer) - and then wired up a series of power connectors to match the various amps that wandered into our shop. A Cinch-Jones 4-pin plug to match Seeburgs, and so on. For the speaker setup I used a small speaker box that has a toggle switch (toggles between the speaker and the 8 ohm resistor - to mute the output or hear it), an 8 ohm speaker, an 8 ohm-50W load resistor, and a 5500 Ohm-50W resistor for the field load. Then I made up a Molex 5pin plug that I could plug onto my various jukebox speaker plugs on the amps under service. Each Molex plug would configure the various load resistors and the speaker to match the needs of the amp. I could take some pictures of the setup and post to flippers if there is much interest... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Dec 6 09:11:30 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Dec 6 09:13:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie In-Reply-To: <8CC44937B951274-1230-33F8@FRR2-L25./f> References: <006f01ca73a5$1c323150$549693f0$@force9.co.uk> <8CC44937B951274-1230-33F8@FRR2-L25./f> Message-ID: <005e01ca7697$277811c0$76683540$@force9.co.uk> Hi Jack, Yes, you've got the standard 45rpm turntable. Have a look at www.jukeboxparts.co.uk and see if they have one. If you want to play soley small centre, you can just replace the turntable with one with the small spindle, and remove the 3 chrome fingers (circlip off and they can be removed). If you want to mix both large and small centre at 45, you don't need a different motor, but you do need the shift assembly plate underneath. Yours probably doesn't currently have this. That will be the awkward part to source. You won't have too much of a problem getting a turntable though I wouldn't think. Best regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of jacjon@talktalk.net Sent: 06 December 2009 14:00 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi Gents. Once again a big thank you for your interest and advice.It looks like I have the wrong turntable(what else)to be able to play both dinked and undinked discs.The 3 crome fingers are set rigid,and no red plastic ones either.Also its a large centre spindle(Fixed to turntable) that just slots into the bush on the motor.Looks like I will have to get a replacement turntable and motor?. Anyway a Merry Christmas to all and yours. Kind Regards. Jack. Manchester UK. -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Pugh To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:13 Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi Jack, Do you have a set of 3 chrome fingers, and inside them a set of red plastic ones that stick above the chrome ones ? Also, do you have a small centre spindle too ? (May late Rock Ola turntables did not have this. If the answer to both questions is yes, then if you lift the turntable and there is all manner of gubbins immediately below it, you're probably in luck. I have a rock Ola 470 that plays both dinked and undinked 45s. If you have all the bits there, it's a simple mod to play both speeds at 45, but on your machine it was only an optional extra so there is a likelihood it is not fitted. Best regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Juke of Shrewsbury Sent: 02 December 2009 22:48 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi Jack, If you lift the turntable off can you manually push the push the fingers down? If you can, and the mechanism to re set them is present on the motor mounting plate, then you just need to find out how the automix has been disabled and reverse this mod. Unfortunately, it's more likely that the 3 fingers are fixed in place. If this is the case you have 2 options - remove the fingers altogether (screw underneath) and play small hole records only, or obtain a replacement automix turntable and motor mounting plate that contains the re setting mechanism. These mechanism were used in many different RO models so you don't need to get one from your exact model. The main difference is likely to be the colour of turntable trim. Hope this helps, Best Regards, Adrian (UK, Shrewsbury) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi James. First of all a big thank you for your rapid reply.I may have misled you some on the date and model of my juke. It is a Rock-Ola 1976 Princess console,(With no visible play)There are 3 fingers on the turntable,however they seem to be fixed.(Solid).and as far as I can tell,at the moment it will only play 45rpm. records.(Dinked) Please excuse my lack of knowledge,But thanks to this site,and people like yourself I am learning all the time. Thanks Again. Kind Regards. Jack (Manchester UK.) -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:00 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hello Jack: Welcome to the group. You didn't mention the year made or model number (it's on a steel name plate on the back) of your Rockola Princess juke. The Princess models were made for quite a few years , having different mechanical and electronic changes. Early 60's Princess jukes are set up to play 45 RPM records only, using the large center holes. Later model Princess machines are equipped to play 7" 45's and 33 1/3 RPM records. The turntable is outfitted with a collapsing 45 RPM spindle using 3 spring loaded fingers. Placing a record with a small center-hole onto the platter triggers the speed change from 45 to 33 RPM. Since the 7" 33 RPM discs stopped being used in the 70's, I'm aware that quite a few European/English RockOla owners have modified these record changers to stay at 45 RPM, allowing the intermixed use of European (small-hole) 45 RPM records and the dinked (large-hole) records. If you have an early 60's 45-only machine, getting a hold of a junked turntable platter from one of the later models, and mechanically modifying it so the 45 spindle fingers are spring loaded could be an answer. On the 45/33 intermix models, a shift mechanism below the turntable keeps tension on the large hole "fingers". Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Lf-KUT8LoI4mcSPN2YVuHQAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 19:43:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Dec 6 11:20:31 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Dec 6 11:23:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Amp Test Rig Message-ID: <20091206.142031.3935.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Having a test rig like this is helpful if you are rebuilding, repairing amplifiers constantly. Just about all repair shops assemble something similar in order to work on amplifiers that are shipped in for repair, where you don't have access to the rest of the machine. This wouldn't necessarily be helpful to Donald Whiting who has a gain-loss problem in his amplifier. To troubleshoot that, you either need to have a second comparable amplifier (to use as a test standard) or to use the specified gain figures (in Db) for the 25W amplifier to determine the amp is performing up to spec. Then,you can find the under-performing amp stage and service it. There is probably a resistor out of tolerance in one of the early amp stages or a weak tube. (assuming all else is correct) The average hobbyist tech. that undertakes a cap-change job is going to have a tough time fielding a problem like this. This is why I suggested here that he contact one of the amp servicers. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ECwaSYpWelHvOuLjWrsLEQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From smlynch at cableone.net Sun Dec 6 12:50:33 2009 From: smlynch at cableone.net (Steve Lynch) Date: Sun Dec 6 12:52:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume Message-ID: Re: Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume I was having the same problem (low volume) on my Seeburg V after a full amp rebuild as well as selection receiver. I was very puzzled as to why. I, too, pulled the tube controlling ACV and had some instant gain in volume but I wanted that tube to be left in and STILL have a good gain of volume----what one would expect after an amp rebuild with known good cartridge. I started pulling some other tubes to see what would happen and sort of got one tube about 1/4 of an inch out and slightly tilted and had full volume instantly. Put the tube back in and low volume returned. My problem turned out to be a simple fix!!! My low volume was due to poor contact from the tube receptacle to the tube male pins on the bottom of the tube. Just had to tighten the pin receptacles in its base on the amp. You might try this and see if this solves your problem. Steve in Idaho From maddleso at gmu.edu Sun Dec 6 14:52:34 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Sun Dec 6 14:54:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 77, Issue 6 - Test rig pictures In-Reply-To: <20091206200002.AB6BCAAEDC@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20091206200002.AB6BCAAEDC@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <33CA3C0FBF3640BF8959F7C21F66A168@Marksvaio> John I, for one, would certainly like to see the pictures. Mark ______________________ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:49:24 -0800 From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Amp Test Rig I could take some pictures of the setup and post to flippers if there is much interest... John :-#)# From d.carriveau at att.net Wed Dec 2 17:30:10 2009 From: d.carriveau at att.net (d.carriveau@att.net) Date: Sun Dec 6 14:55:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A visit to Wurlitzer, 1950 In-Reply-To: <4B1477F0.5070004@comcast.net> Message-ID: <120320090130.29480.4B1714A2000452B10000732822193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF9A0E0A90079D9D0E0CD20B@att.net> Thank you, Bob. I've been wanting to see that for some time but couldn't justify buying the video. Dean -------------- Original message from Robert Nickels : -------------- > Two vintage videos that I suspect many here will find to be as > fascinating as I did: > > Part I: > http://www.archive.org/details/VisittoW1950 > > Part II: > http://www.archive.org/details/VisittoW1950_2 > > > 73, Bob W9RAN > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From swingtime63 at msn.com Sun Dec 6 20:55:38 2009 From: swingtime63 at msn.com (Bruce Thompson) Date: Sun Dec 6 21:03:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WURLITZER 2000 SELECTION PROBLEMS Message-ID: Hi everybody, A friend of mine is working on a Wurlitzer 2000 for a client and it has an unusual selection problem. For example, if you press L7, you'll get L8; if you press L8, you'll get L7. The same is true for L9 giving you L0 and vice versa. This goes for any letters on the 2nd bank of keys L through V and only on number keys 7, 8, 9 and 0. Everything else works like it should. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bruce From pinball at telus.net Sun Dec 6 21:30:52 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Dec 6 21:32:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WURLITZER 2000 SELECTION PROBLEMS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B1C930C.6060700@telus.net> Bruce Thompson wrote: > Hi everybody, > > A friend of mine is working on a Wurlitzer 2000 for a client and it has an unusual selection problem. For example, if you press L7, you'll get L8; if you press L8, you'll get L7. The same is true for L9 giving you L0 and vice versa. This goes for any letters on the 2nd bank of keys L through V and only on number keys 7, 8, 9 and 0. Everything else works like it should. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > Check that the plugs on the underside of the memory unit are in the correct sockets and that none of the locating pins on the 12-pin plugs are broken - enabling one to install a plug rotated from its proper position. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Dec 6 22:49:12 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Dec 6 22:52:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WURLITZER 2000 SELECTION PROBLEMS Message-ID: <20091207.014912.28030.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Hello Bruce: Based upon the trouble symptoms you are describing here there are 2 likely problem sources. Oe s electrical, the other is mechanical. I would verify the electrical one first. There is a possibility that connections between the keyboard and the pinbank chassis are not connected correctly. There should be one or more multi-core cables, terminating in octal-style (looks like tube socket) conectors. Check to make sure these are each plugged into the correct sockets. The sockets have a key-way in the center so that they are not inserted incorrectly. If needed visually line up the pins correctly. You'll find a selection pinbank, which I believe is rear mounted on your W2000. Have someone select one of the numbers that misses, say L-8. Look in the rear to see if pin # L-8 is released, or is it the incorrect pin that releases, the selection that actually gets played. Try several pins around the pin bank to see if the action is consistent. If the wtrong pins are being released, incorrect connections are most likely happening. Make sure the system is working OK electrically before making the mechanical adjustments covered below. If your test shows the correct pin is released, but the wrong (usually the next adjoining, or the nearest "flip side" record slot, on the opposite side of the carousel,) selection plays, there is a mechanical alignment problem. At the rear of the record changer deck (look in from rear of juke) on top of the deck at the geared base of the record carousel are two spring loaded ratchet stops. If these are out of adjustment, it will allow the record carousel to "slip" into the next slot,before stopping rotation, either odd or even. See your service manual for the adjustment procedure. Best of luck in your troubleshooting, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Water Heater Some like it hot. Click now for a reliable new water heater! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=44sKX1JeGcszLqzDkP06DAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIAAAAAA= From pinplayers at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 07:13:06 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Mon Dec 7 07:14:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cf1842e0912070713q1c57d2edk37e59b399a099ec8@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Again to all that have contributed to this tread. It has been a great experience and I appreciate everyone's time and advice. As far as the low volume I spent a few hours working through the Amp double checking my work and at the same time testing all resisters. I found a few 2 or 3 that drifted close to or a little over spec but nothing open or shorted. I will check the tube sockets for proper seating next. As far as the selection issue I pulled the pinbank and removed all 5 top contact groups. I found that the wire from the coil to the contact group had come off on two of them. I cleaned the coil contacts and re-soldered the wires. I also used my ohm meter to confirm the coils were good. After reassembly 4 banks are working fine one is not, the coil is not pulling the contact group down when a selection is made from that group. I think at this point I will send it out for a proper rebuild. I found Nick's Jukebox repair via a web search he seemed to specialise in Seeburg and the price look reasonable as well. Anyone have work done there before? Also I'm open to recommendations if you have contact info for someone that rebuilds these I would appreciate it. Thanks Don. On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Steve Lynch wrote: > Re: Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume > > I was having the same problem (low volume) on my Seeburg V after a full amp > rebuild as well as selection receiver. I was very puzzled as to why. I, > too, pulled the tube controlling ACV and had some instant gain in volume but > I wanted that tube to be left in and STILL have a good gain of > volume----what one would expect after an amp rebuild with known good > cartridge. I started pulling some other tubes to see what would happen and > sort of got one tube about 1/4 of an inch out and slightly tilted and had > full volume instantly. Put the tube back in and low volume returned. My > problem turned out to be a simple fix!!! My low volume was due to poor > contact from the tube receptacle to the tube male pins on the bottom of the > tube. Just had to tighten the pin receptacles in its base on the amp. > You might try this and see if this solves your problem. > Steve in Idaho > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Dec 7 08:09:45 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Dec 7 08:13:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg 100C Amp Rebuild Low volume Message-ID: <20091207.110945.23726.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Don: The problem that generally occurs within the pinbank is the tarnishing and dirt buildup on the solenoid contacts,causing comnections to make intermittently. The other thing that can happen is that a dirt/grime buildup can keep the solenoids from operating mechanically. The cleaning process is a detailed,methodical opening up,cleaning, repair as needed, and reassembly of the pin bank. There are quite a few small parts assemblies that need to be dealt with. This is what makes the process tedious. If you've done this job before, or if you have set up a service bench to specially deal with pinbank overhaul, it makes the job easier. The typical repair bill to have a Seeburg 100 pinbank reworked is in the area of $150-$200. Good luck with repair of your amplfier problems. It's a little difficult for the average servicer to guage how much signal gain is normal in one of these units unless you have a second working unit to compare it to. In general, the Seeburg amps did not have very much reserve gain. Using the redhead cartridge as an input source, and having the AVC circuits operational, a full-volume setting could just drive the 25 watt amplifier into gently clipping. The volume control is equipped with a loudness-contour function. As the volume setting is increased, the degree of bass boost provided by the loudness circuit is ramped downward. This is why, at a high volume control setting with a less-than-normal audio signal, the bass-tone control seems to lose it's effect. The AVC circuit has the ability to control the amp gain by approximately 35 db. Removing the AVC tube and disabling the circuit introduces about 20 db gain boost, the reserve available for the playing of soft-level recordings. Up to about 15 db attenuation (gain cut) can be introduced when a overly-loud recording is introduced. A clamping contact at the mechanism "resets" the AVC to it's "neutral" point at the beginning of each play cycle. AVC contacts are brought to the amp through the mute switch cable. The circuit should not be thought of like an audio limiter or compressor unit. The AVC system determines the average signal level of the music over time, and raises or lowers the overall volume level accordingly. It is not triggered by signal peaks in the program. In the early 50's this level-averaging circuit was new technology. Seeburg's AVC circuit has a reputation of working dependably well. Earlier Seeburg amp models have switches that allow the operator to set the amount of AVC action that can be introduced. This is set as a fixed value in later models. Hope this helps you in your troubleshooting, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=z-4PTMYlz0QIivzH2Iw-TAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From magic-4u at pacbell.net Mon Dec 7 08:15:02 2009 From: magic-4u at pacbell.net (Bradley Grant) Date: Mon Dec 7 08:16:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: W 1100 Coin Unit Message-ID: <3AA002C1-F7DA-4AC8-B5F5-4B8B3750AF08@pacbell.net> Hello Jim, Thanks for the help. Seems there has been a comedy of errors. My 1100 has a part missing which hits a microswitch in the encore unit. I got one from Bill Butterfield (lockout assembly) but have not installed it yet. I have installed most of the coin parts I have been able to rustle-up but missing the bracket so the coin mech is also not yet installed. I was just playing around to see if it was all going to work-- I wasn't actually making a selection, I was just hitting the microswitch in the encore unit-- this switch takes off credits. A freind in NY (I am in CA) has an 1100 so we are comparing notes. He stuck his finger and hit the microswitch on his with 5 credits on and his machine did the same-- machine-gunned them all off. This was the same as my machine and my 1250. So I called him and after I found out he was playing off the credits same as I did, I asked him to put on 5 credits and make a selection. No machine gun (I guess he usually just uses nickels). So, the 1100 evidently is wired differently -- when making a selection, I hope to have no problem as well (once I install the lockout assembly and take off the credits by making a selection). However, none of that that explains the 1250, which of course does not have the encore unit or the microswitch in it. So, I will apply what you have posted and see if i can get the 1250 to take off one credit at a time and post back. Thanks, for the help Brad PS anybody have a bracket for sale that holds the coin channel to the speaker board, let me know! From: "The Dirksen Family" Date: December 5, 2009 5:52:50 PM PST To: "Jukebox mailing list" Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] W 1100 coin mech Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list Remove the cover of your coin registration unit - inside is a timing switch at the upper left hand corner above the cancel solenoid plunger. As you make a selection and the cancel solenoid plunger pulls in to remove a credit, the timing switch is actuated by a spring. I can't remember for sure, but the timing switch has 2 or 3 sets of leaf switches. One set of these contacts is in series with the cancel coil and is supposed to open up to prevent taking off more than one credit. Check this first and let us know. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bradley Grant" To: Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] W 1100 coin mech > I am working on a W 1100-- I found a coin mech and put it in-- only > problem is when I make a selection (when there are more than 1 > credit) the cancel solenoid machine guns to take off all the credits > at once. Probably something simple, but I haven't figured it out > yet-- need more time to spend with it. If anyone has ever fixed the > same, > let me know! Funny thing is, my 1250 (same type coin mech) does the > same thing. > Any help appreciated > Thanks, Brad From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Dec 8 11:31:14 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Tue Dec 8 11:32:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2710 Message-ID: Has the group quit talking, or might be an issue with delivery? Anyways, the top glass is rattling a bit..is there a proper seal to use, or just any thin foam/felt based seal? Merry Christmas. Rich From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Tue Dec 8 13:10:10 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Tue Dec 8 13:12:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie References: <8CC44937B951274-1230-33F8@FRR2-L25./f> Message-ID: Jack, Take a look at www.jukeboxparts.co.uk search for RO324 or RO372 in the Rock Ola parts section. These are the type of turntables you need. You also need the motor / mechanism plate similar to RO152 also on this site. This mechanism looks incomplete so you would need to ask if they have a complete one. Hope this helps! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi Gents. Once again a big thank you for your interest and advice.It looks like I have the wrong turntable(what else)to be able to play both dinked and undinked discs.The 3 crome fingers are set rigid,and no red plastic ones either.Also its a large centre spindle(Fixed to turntable) that just slots into the bush on the motor.Looks like I will have to get a replacement turntable and motor?. Anyway a Merry Christmas to all and yours. Kind Regards. Jack. Manchester UK. -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Pugh To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:13 Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi Jack, Do you have a set of 3 chrome fingers, and inside them a set of red plastic ones that stick above the chrome ones ? Also, do you have a small centre spindle too ? (May late Rock Ola turntables did not have this. If the answer to both questions is yes, then if you lift the turntable and there is all manner of gubbins immediately below it, you're probably in luck. I have a rock Ola 470 that plays both dinked and undinked 45s. If you have all the bits there, it's a simple mod to play both speeds at 45, but on your machine it was only an optional extra so there is a likelihood it is not fitted. Best regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Juke of Shrewsbury Sent: 02 December 2009 22:48 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi Jack, If you lift the turntable off can you manually push the push the fingers down? If you can, and the mechanism to re set them is present on the motor mounting plate, then you just need to find out how the automix has been disabled and reverse this mod. Unfortunately, it's more likely that the 3 fingers are fixed in place. If this is the case you have 2 options - remove the fingers altogether (screw underneath) and play small hole records only, or obtain a replacement automix turntable and motor mounting plate that contains the re setting mechanism. These mechanism were used in many different RO models so you don't need to get one from your exact model. The main difference is likely to be the colour of turntable trim. Hope this helps, Best Regards, Adrian (UK, Shrewsbury) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi James. First of all a big thank you for your rapid reply.I may have misled you some on the date and model of my juke. It is a Rock-Ola 1976 Princess console,(With no visible play)There are 3 fingers on the turntable,however they seem to be fixed.(Solid).and as far as I can tell,at the moment it will only play 45rpm. records.(Dinked) Please excuse my lack of knowledge,But thanks to this site,and people like yourself I am learning all the time. Thanks Again. Kind Regards. Jack (Manchester UK.) -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:00 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hello Jack: Welcome to the group. You didn't mention the year made or model number (it's on a steel name plate on the back) of your Rockola Princess juke. The Princess models were made for quite a few years , having different mechanical and electronic changes. Early 60's Princess jukes are set up to play 45 RPM records only, using the large center holes. Later model Princess machines are equipped to play 7" 45's and 33 1/3 RPM records. The turntable is outfitted with a collapsing 45 RPM spindle using 3 spring loaded fingers. Placing a record with a small center-hole onto the platter triggers the speed change from 45 to 33 RPM. Since the 7" 33 RPM discs stopped being used in the 70's, I'm aware that quite a few European/English RockOla owners have modified these record changers to stay at 45 RPM, allowing the intermixed use of European (small-hole) 45 RPM records and the dinked (large-hole) records. If you have an early 60's 45-only machine, getting a hold of a junked turntable platter from one of the later models, and mechanically modifying it so the 45 spindle fingers are spring loaded could be an answer. On the 45/33 intermix models, a shift mechanism below the turntable keeps tension on the large hole "fingers". 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.95/2546 - Release Date: 12/05/09 08:13:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 8 13:19:07 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 8 13:20:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2710 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <267167.13865.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, Seems a little slow---however it's probably a "Comcast" issue--my wife is having problems with them too--- As for the seal--probably was--but anything that works is what you gotta do today-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/8/09, SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2710 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 11:31 AM Has the group quit talking,? or might be an issue with delivery? Anyways,? the top glass is rattling a bit..is there a proper seal to use, or just any thin foam/felt based seal? Merry Christmas. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jacjon at talktalk.net Tue Dec 8 14:33:35 2009 From: jacjon at talktalk.net (jacjon@talktalk.net) Date: Tue Dec 8 14:35:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC466D9D258120-10E4-191A@FRR2-L29./f> Hi Adrian. Thanks very much for your tips and advice,very much appreciated.I have looked at the site and will be in touch with him. Thanks Again. Kind Regards. Jack.(Manchester) -----Original Message----- From: Juke of Shrewsbury To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:10 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Jack, Take a look at www.jukeboxparts.co.uk search for RO324 or RO372 in the Rock Ola parts section. These are the type of turntables you need. You also need the motor / mechanism plate similar to RO152 also on this site. This mechanism looks incomplete so you would need to ask if they have a complete one. Hope this helps! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi Gents. Once again a big thank you for your interest and advice.It looks like I have the wrong turntable(what else)to be able to play both dinked and undinked discs.The 3 crome fingers are set rigid,and no red plastic ones either.Also its a large centre spindle(Fixed to turntable) that just slots into the bush on the motor.Looks like I will have to get a replacement turntable and motor?. Anyway a Merry Christmas to all and yours. Kind Regards. Jack. Manchester UK. -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Pugh To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:13 Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi Jack, Do you have a set of 3 chrome fingers, and inside them a set of red plastic ones that stick above the chrome ones ? Also, do you have a small centre spindle too ? (May late Rock Ola turntables did not have this. If the answer to both questions is yes, then if you lift the turntable and there is all manner of gubbins immediately below it, you're probably in luck. I have a rock Ola 470 that plays both dinked and undinked 45s. If you have all the bits there, it's a simple mod to play both speeds at 45, but on your machine it was only an optional extra so there is a likelihood it is not fitted. Best regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Juke of Shrewsbury Sent: 02 December 2009 22:48 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi Jack, If you lift the turntable off can you manually push the push the fingers down? If you can, and the mechanism to re set them is present on the motor mounting plate, then you just need to find out how the automix has been disabled and reverse this mod. Unfortunately, it's more likely that the 3 fingers are fixed in place. If this is the case you have 2 options - remove the fingers altogether (screw underneath) and play small hole records only, or obtain a replacement automix turntable and motor mounting plate that contains the re setting mechanism. These mechanism were used in many different RO models so you don't need to get one from your exact model. The main difference is likely to be the colour of turntable trim. Hope this helps, Best Regards, Adrian (UK, Shrewsbury) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hi James. First of all a big thank you for your rapid reply.I may have misled you some on the date and model of my juke. It is a Rock-Ola 1976 Princess console,(With no visible play)There are 3 fingers on the turntable,however they seem to be fixed.(Solid).and as far as I can tell,at the moment it will only play 45rpm. records.(Dinked) Please excuse my lack of knowledge,But thanks to this site,and people like yourself I am learning all the time. Thanks Again. Kind Regards. Jack (Manchester UK.) -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:00 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hello Jack: Welcome to the group. You didn't mention the year made or model number (it's on a steel name plate on the back) of your Rockola Princess juke. The Princess models were made for quite a few years , having different mechanical and electronic changes. Early 60's Princess jukes are set up to play 45 RPM records only, using the large center holes. Later model Princess machines are equipped to play 7" 45's and 33 1/3 RPM records. The turntable is outfitted with a collapsing 45 RPM spindle using 3 spring loaded fingers. Placing a record with a small center-hole onto the platter triggers the speed change from 45 to 33 RPM. Since the 7" 33 RPM discs stopped being used in the 70's, I'm aware that quite a few European/English RockOla owners have modified these record changers to stay at 45 RPM, allowing the intermixed use of European (small-hole) 45 RPM records and the dinked (large-hole) records. If you have an early 60's 45-only machine, getting a hold of a junked turntable platter from one of the later models, and mechanically modifying it so the 45 spindle fingers are spring loaded could be an answer. On the 45/33 intermix models, a shift mechanism below the turntable keeps tension on the large hole "fingers". 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.95/2546 - Release Date: 12/05/09 08:13:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 8 14:57:58 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 8 15:00:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2710 Message-ID: <20091208.175758.935.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Merry Christmas to you and your family, Rich. I'm under the impression that between Ron Rich and myself, we've solved all of the residentially- owned jukebox problems in the US and no one needs to communicate any further. (chuckle!) RE: Your rattling dome glass As you're probably aware Wurlitzer jukes of this time period use the entire cabinet interior as a speaker cabinet so there is some acoustical pressure on the glass at higher low frequency volume levels. 2 types of solutions you can pursue: mechanical repair and bracing of the glass. (the right way to fix it) The glass, when factory installed in the dome frame, came equipped with a rubber U- channel gasket. The gasket has probably disintegrated or been removed if in it's commercial life, the juke had it's dome glass replaced. Sometimes the U channel has been glued into the dome channel. The U channel gasket can usually be obtained from home glass contractors that cut & install mirrors and shower doors. Some well-equipped hardware stores that deal in mirrors and windows may have these items. The big-box stores like Home Depot and Lowe's don't stock it. I think, in their misc parts items, that Victory Glass sells some window gasketing materials. Another place to look is auto-glass shops. The U channel used for car door-windows is thicker,but can sometimes adapt to this application. The glass needs to removed from the frame, by unscrewing the braces on the underside of the dome frame, unmounting the glass, installing the U channel around it's perimeter then reinstalling it. If this is your first time doing this: Brace the dome door open very securely Install a sheet or drop cloth over the record changer to catch any small screws, parts, etc that you might drop. release tension on the glass braces, slowly, in increments all the away around. Reverse the process when tightening down the braces. It's helpful to have someone help you handle removing/reinstalling the glass as you do this. Cut and install the fresh rubber U channel around the glass perimeter to suit. If you can't find any of this material, thick ducttape works pretty well. While you have the frame channel exposed remove any hardened rubber debris Repair/replace any stripped screws or "shaky" support channel bracketing. CAREFUL is the watchword when doing this. The Wurlitzer domeglasses with the artwork on them are NOT laminated, tempered or safety glass. They will shatter and crack easily. The 2710 domeglass is not replicated in case you break yours.--original replacements are available but they are somewhat pricey. electronic fixes to stop glass pane rattles (the quick way to fix it) turn down volume or bass tone controls to eliminate pressure on the glass at high levels. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=jEliFRvW9D-8ROZPaXZjQgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 8 15:02:05 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 8 15:04:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Message-ID: <20091208.180205.935.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Is the ability to intermix dinked/undinked 45 RPM records a big problem for residential jukebox owners in England? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=87jwL50GQAp0pEOsGIh5VwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 8 15:15:47 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 8 15:19:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2710 Message-ID: <20091208.181547.935.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I forgot. Jay Hennigan, John Robertson and Jim Dirksen also need to be included on the list of regular contributors of repair advice on this forum. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=KOJefV24lw4gTM-nhFU_2QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From joe400f at shaw.ca Tue Dec 8 19:26:49 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Tue Dec 8 19:28:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Walbox 1554 1555 keys Message-ID: <002701ca787f$717f2c60$48944e18@compaq> I am looking at buying a Rockola 1555 wallbox but it doesn't have a key. There is also no markings on the lock cylinder. I have other wallboxes that do. Seeburg 3W1 , AMI W80 etc. Is it common for these to have no markings? Maybe the lock cylinder is not original? If someone on the list has one, can they check the lock and key for me? If this is like my other wallboxes, then there is many different codes but, they all have marking on the lock. Joey McDonald. From daviop at verizon.net Tue Dec 8 18:42:10 2009 From: daviop at verizon.net (Peter Davio) Date: Tue Dec 8 19:45:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Loud Latch Bar Solenoid Hum Message-ID: I bought a Seeburg B that ran fine for a while and now the latch bar solenoid suddenly started humming constantly. It hums during all cycles. The box had been set up for free play and I haven't yet confirmed where in the circuits it was modified, although I see some mods to a circuit on the selection receiver.. The box correctly selects the records and cancels the selections. But the hum is non stop except when the two selection buttons (number and letter) are depressed. Is the solenoid "toast"? Pete From berrycbell at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 20:04:38 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Tue Dec 8 20:11:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Walbox 1554 1555 keys In-Reply-To: <002701ca787f$717f2c60$48944e18@compaq> References: <002701ca787f$717f2c60$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: Joey, I have a 1555 and it also does not have the lock # on it, that's the way the 1555's came. However, I found that my Seeburg V 200 cabinet key fit the lock and opened it! I suggest you try all your Seeburg cabinet, coin box door keys in the lock, you may get lucky. I have had 2 1555's and both were original, with original locks/hardware and neither showed a number on the lock cylinder. By the way, the Seeburg V cabinet key (F314) only opened one of my 1555's, so they are not keyed alike. Good luck, Berry Bell On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Joey McDonald wrote: > I am looking at buying a Rockola 1555 wallbox but it doesn't have a key. > There is also no > markings on the lock cylinder. I have other wallboxes that do. Seeburg 3W1 > , AMI W80 etc. > > Is it common for these to have no markings? Maybe the lock cylinder is > not original? > > If someone on the list has one, can they check the lock and key for me? > > If this is like my other wallboxes, then there is many different codes but, > they all have marking on the lock. > > Joey McDonald. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 8 20:13:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 8 20:14:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Loud Latch Bar Solenoid Hum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <66380.44993.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, Not yet "toast" but probably real soon to be "burnt" --if not a "fire job"--Turn it OFF--leave it off till you either 1. Replace it, or 2. ? Purchase a "free play adaptor" that only allows the solenoid to have power for a few seconds-- ( I do sell them--contact me "off list"). I also suggest that either way, you add a three amp fuse in series with the solenoid--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Peter Davio wrote: From: Peter Davio Subject: [Jukebox-list] Loud Latch Bar Solenoid Hum To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 6:42 PM I bought a Seeburg B that ran fine for a while and now the latch bar solenoid suddenly started humming constantly.? It hums during all cycles. The box had been set up for free play and I haven't yet confirmed where in the circuits it was modified, although I see some mods to a circuit on the selection receiver..? The box correctly selects the records and cancels the selections.? But the hum is non stop except when the two selection buttons (number and letter) are depressed. Is the solenoid "toast"? Pete _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ranickel at comcast.net Mon Dec 7 12:14:56 2009 From: ranickel at comcast.net (Robert Nickels) Date: Tue Dec 8 22:22:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT but an incredible music machine Message-ID: <4B1D6240.4060501@comcast.net> Not a jukebox, but the next closest thing. Talk about a precision machine! Read this first, then watch. This incredible machine was built as a collaborative effort between the Robert M. Trammell Music Conservatory and the Sharon Wick School of Engineering at the University of Iowa . Amazingly, 97% of the machines components came from John Deere Industries and Deere Industries and Irrigation Equipment of Bancroft , Iowa . Yes, farm equipment It took the team a combined 13,029 hours of set-up, alignment, calibration, and tuning before filming this video but as you can see, it was WELL worth the effort. It is now on display in the Matthew Gerhard Alumni Hall at the University and is already slated to be donated to the Smithsonian. Have sound on! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjGtbv5R3WE Bob From jay at west.net Wed Dec 9 00:03:59 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Dec 9 00:05:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2710 dome glass rattle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B1F59EF.6030707@west.net> SSG Rich Myers wrote: > Has the group quit talking, or might be an issue with delivery? It seems to ebb and flow. > Anyways, the top glass is rattling a bit..is there a proper seal to use, > or just any thin foam/felt based seal? There's a rubber U-channel available from glass shops, also sold by the foot by Victory Glass. Installing it requires carefully disassembling the dome assembly, removing the dome glass, slipping the U-channel around it and re-assembling. You'll likely want to measure the thickness of the dome glass as the channel is sold in various widths. An less professional but faster fix with less risk of breakage is clear silicone sealant worked in around the edges of the dome. After it dries trim any excess with a single-edged razor blade. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Dec 9 00:38:03 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Wed Dec 9 00:39:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie In-Reply-To: <20091208.180205.935.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091208.180205.935.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Not really but some owners like to preserve the value of their records by not removing the centres. To be honest, most owners aren't aware there is a posibility they can play small centres at 45. I have seen many owners that remove the centres and own say a Seeburg or NSM and are amazed when I tell them its not necessary. Regards Nigel, B'ham, UK > > > Gentlemen: > > Is the ability to intermix dinked/undinked 45 RPM records a big problem > for residential jukebox owners in England? > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Nutrition > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=87jwL50GQAp0pEOsGIh5VwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From webmaster at guestwho.com Wed Dec 9 01:41:21 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Wed Dec 9 02:01:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie In-Reply-To: References: <20091208.180205.935.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <6E1C4C175BD3492F8EB3F9C2223C401E@CHRISLAPTOP> I'm guessing this doesn't apply to Wurlitzer. Small holes in my 2600 always play at 33rpm. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Not really but some owners like to preserve the value of their records by not removing the centres. To be honest, most owners aren't aware there is a posibility they can play small centres at 45. I have seen many owners that remove the centres and own say a Seeburg or NSM and are amazed when I tell them its not necessary. Regards Nigel, B'ham, UK > > > Gentlemen: > > Is the ability to intermix dinked/undinked 45 RPM records a big problem > for residential jukebox owners in England? > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Nutrition > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=87jwL50GQAp0pEOsGIh5VwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Dec 9 02:34:30 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Wed Dec 9 02:36:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie In-Reply-To: <6E1C4C175BD3492F8EB3F9C2223C401E@CHRISLAPTOP> References: <20091208.180205.935.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> <6E1C4C175BD3492F8EB3F9C2223C401E@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: Apart from NSM and later Seeburgs, they all need minor modification to play both sizes at 45. Either electrical (Rowe Ami & Seeburg) or mechanical (Rock-Ola, Wurlitzer - both flat play and vertical play Wurlitzer). Only minor mods needed in all cases, and original can easily be reverted to if required at a later date. Some machines don't have the option at all, and never can have - some it was an accessory. Nigel > I'm guessing this doesn't apply to Wurlitzer. Small holes in my 2600 > always > play at 33rpm. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie > > > Not really but some owners like to preserve the value of their records by > not removing the centres. > > To be honest, most owners aren't aware there is a posibility they can play > small centres at 45. > > I have seen many owners that remove the centres and own say a Seeburg or > NSM and are amazed when I tell them its not necessary. > > Regards > > Nigel, B'ham, UK > > > >> >> >> Gentlemen: >> >> Is the ability to intermix dinked/undinked 45 RPM records a big problem >> for residential jukebox owners in England? >> >> Jim Alexander >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Nutrition >> Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=87jwL50GQAp0pEOsGIh5VwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From d_duncan at ntlworld.com Wed Dec 9 02:58:06 2009 From: d_duncan at ntlworld.com (Doug Duncan) Date: Wed Dec 9 03:18:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT but an incredible music machine In-Reply-To: <4B1D6240.4060501@comcast.net> References: <4B1D6240.4060501@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B1F82BE.1080201@ntlworld.com> Robert Nickels wrote: > Not a jukebox, but the next closest thing. Talk about a precision > machine! Read this first, then watch. > > This incredible machine was built as a collaborative effort between > the Robert M. Trammell Music Conservatory and the Sharon Wick School of > Engineering at the University of Iowa . Amazingly, 97% of the machines > components came from John Deere Industries and Deere Industries and > Irrigation Equipment of Bancroft , Iowa . Yes, farm equipment > > It took the team a combined 13,029 hours of set-up, alignment, > calibration, and tuning before filming this video but as you can see, > it was WELL worth the effort. > > It is now on display in the Matthew Gerhard Alumni Hall at the > University and is already slated to be donated to the Smithsonian. > Have sound on! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjGtbv5R3WE > > Bob Sorry - This is entertaining but not real. Computer animation. http://www.hoax-slayer.com/incredible-music-machine.shtml Doug From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Wed Dec 9 03:40:27 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Wed Dec 9 03:46:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT but an incredible music machine References: <4B1D6240.4060501@comcast.net> Message-ID: That's a clip from a DVD called "Animusic". It is computer generated animation, not real. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Nickels" To: Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT but an incredible music machine > Not a jukebox, but the next closest thing. Talk about a precision > machine! Read this first, then watch. > > This incredible machine was built as a collaborative effort between the > Robert M. Trammell Music Conservatory and the Sharon Wick School of > Engineering at the University of Iowa . Amazingly, 97% of the machines > components came from John Deere Industries and Deere Industries and > Irrigation Equipment of Bancroft , Iowa . Yes, farm equipment > > It took the team a combined 13,029 hours of set-up, alignment, > calibration, and tuning before filming this video but as you can see, it > was WELL worth the effort. > > It is now on display in the Matthew Gerhard Alumni Hall at the University > and is already slated to be donated to the Smithsonian. Have sound on! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjGtbv5R3WE > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Dec 9 05:30:58 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Wed Dec 9 05:32:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Message-ID: <909CA9782D0947C2BEABDEB191D23F5F@p4> Have an opportunity to look at an original B near me. I have read the recent posts regarding free playing. This one states can be free played or with coin. Maybe has the adapter. Knowing nothing about Seeburgs.other that what you have taught me, what else could I expect that might make this a no go...like original stylus.pinbank issues, mechanical memory issues, amp repairs. I know I probably about covered it, but was looking for expert opinions. Thanks again..Merry Christmas and God bless everyone. Rich From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Dec 9 05:43:07 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Wed Dec 9 05:44:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT but an incredible music machine In-Reply-To: <4B1D6240.4060501@comcast.net> References: <4B1D6240.4060501@comcast.net> Message-ID: This is from a two DVD set called Animusic. My brother-in-law uses them to test his stereo/speaker set-up and to annoy his neighbors. The Animusic people must be wondering why the sudden peak in the sales of their DVDs. ;-) On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Robert Nickels wrote: > Not a jukebox, but the next closest thing. Talk about a precision machine! > Read this first, then watch. > > This incredible machine was built as a collaborative effort between the > Robert M. Trammell Music Conservatory and the Sharon Wick School of > Engineering at the University of Iowa . Amazingly, 97% of the machines > components came from John Deere Industries and Deere Industries and > Irrigation Equipment of Bancroft , Iowa . Yes, farm equipment > > It took the team a combined 13,029 hours of set-up, alignment, calibration, > and tuning before filming this video but as you can see, it was WELL worth > the effort. > > It is now on display in the Matthew Gerhard Alumni Hall at the University > and is already slated to be donated to the Smithsonian. Have sound on! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjGtbv5R3WE > > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From roywdean at cox.net Wed Dec 9 06:59:26 2009 From: roywdean at cox.net (Roy Dean) Date: Wed Dec 9 07:07:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model "I" Replacement Tone Arm References: <001b01ca3fdc$bdcb9030$3962b090$@rr.com> Message-ID: <0A010BF2B886405FA85F6394A5326E59@PAW> Hi Robert: I am just cleaning out old email and ran across a post about you needing a tone arm shell for AMI I. Did you get one if not let me know as I do have should have one. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukeboxga.com 678-833-5749 Please respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Mata" To: Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model "I" Replacement Tone Arm > Looking for a replacement tone arm for my AMI " I" . I just need the > metal > housing as the pot metal has cracked and broken where it connects at the > hinge area. > > > > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From wesleydean at cox.net Wed Dec 9 07:09:01 2009 From: wesleydean at cox.net (Wesley Dean) Date: Wed Dec 9 07:21:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT but an incredible music machine References: <4B1D6240.4060501@comcast.net> Message-ID: <709BBD7914A641C6B79EFF97ECFA1897@PAW> Just a comment on this video about the musical instrument built out of John Deere parts. I have the music video "ANIMUSIC" and it is the same video that you are referring to I would like to see the article about the "MACHINE" that they built. Wes from the other side!! > Not a jukebox, but the next closest thing. Talk about a precision > machine! Read this first, then watch. > > This incredible machine was built as a collaborative effort between the > Robert M. Trammell Music Conservatory and the Sharon Wick School of > Engineering at the University of Iowa . Amazingly, 97% of the machines > components came from John Deere Industries and Deere Industries and > Irrigation Equipment of Bancroft , Iowa . Yes, farm equipment > > It took the team a combined 13,029 hours of set-up, alignment, > calibration, and tuning before filming this video but as you can see, it > was WELL worth the effort. > > It is now on display in the Matthew Gerhard Alumni Hall at the University > and is already slated to be donated to the Smithsonian. Have sound on! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjGtbv5R3WE > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From robert at classicparts.com Wed Dec 9 07:18:17 2009 From: robert at classicparts.com (Robert Mata) Date: Wed Dec 9 07:35:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model "I" Replacement Tone Arm In-Reply-To: <0A010BF2B886405FA85F6394A5326E59@PAW> References: <001b01ca3fdc$bdcb9030$3962b090$@rr.com> <0A010BF2B886405FA85F6394A5326E59@PAW> Message-ID: <007901ca78e2$d57b4c90$8071e5b0$@com> Yes, thank you...I was able to get one. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Roy Dean Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:59 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model "I" Replacement Tone Arm Hi Robert: I am just cleaning out old email and ran across a post about you needing a tone arm shell for AMI I. Did you get one if not let me know as I do have should have one. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukeboxga.com 678-833-5749 Please respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Mata" To: Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model "I" Replacement Tone Arm > Looking for a replacement tone arm for my AMI " I" . I just need the > metal > housing as the pot metal has cracked and broken where it connects at the > hinge area. > > > > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 9 08:30:43 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Dec 9 08:32:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DS 100 Ear Speaker Question Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I need to replace a damaged speaker in a DS100 ear. Can anyone tell me the specs so that i can order a replacement as close to original? BTW the original one had a 22mfd lytic cap attached to it. Also looking for a Tonearm Bias Spring for a Continental II. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+games&scope=cashback&form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 9 08:44:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 9 08:46:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie In-Reply-To: <6E1C4C175BD3492F8EB3F9C2223C401E@CHRISLAPTOP> Message-ID: <793888.93082.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Chris, Does apply equally to Wurlies--just remove the small (#12)bi-pin lamp from the rear of the upper part of the phono, and you're in business. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Chris Ralph wrote: From: Chris Ralph Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:41 AM I'm guessing this doesn't apply to Wurlitzer. Small holes in my 2600 always play at 33rpm. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Not really but some owners like to preserve the value of their records by not removing the centres. To be honest, most owners aren't aware there is a posibility they can play small centres at 45. I have seen many owners that remove the centres and own say a Seeburg or NSM and are amazed when I tell them its not necessary. Regards Nigel, B'ham, UK > > > Gentlemen: > > Is the ability to intermix dinked/undinked 45 RPM records a big problem > for residential jukebox owners in England? > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Nutrition > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=87jwL50GQAp0pEOsGIh5VwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 9 08:52:51 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 9 08:55:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Message-ID: <20091209.115251.16787.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Rich: The Seeburg M100 (B) series of jukeboxes are sought after by collectors and were popular-use jukeboxes in the 50's. If needed, there are a great number of aftermarket, replicated parts available for these machines. The model B was Seeburg's first juke to use the "new" 45 RPM records. The keyboard-latching solenoid should not be left constantly on (make selection) in any make jukebox equipped with a mechanically-assisted keyboard for a long period of time. These draw quite a bit of current and tend to overheat. The credit accumulator can be set up to count down credits or one of the aftermarket free-play adapter kits (choice of several offered) will turn on the select light when one of the letter-number buttons on the keyboard is pressed. The free play kits are usually bought if the credit accumulator (located on the selection rcvr chassis) is missing or is too far gone to be repaired/restored. The selection registration on the M100 Seeburgs is accomplished using a pinbank of individual solenoid pins like the 104-select Wurlitzer carousel-style, or Rock Ola models of the 50's. Depending upon the condition of the 100-B that you buy, the pinbank contacts may or may not need to be cleaned. Dirty pinbank contacts will cause selections (one, few or many) not to register when written in. A unique-distinction of the Seeburg pinbanks--if it does need a cleaning job, it is the easiest pinbank to work on, compared to the other jukebox makes. There is a how-to video available from CA. tech Mike Zuccaro, showing a step-by-step disassembly, cleaning, reassembly of a Seeburg 100 pinbank if you'd like to do this repair yourself. There are repair services (Vern Tisdale & others) that will rebuild your M100 pinbank if you'd rather farm the job out. You probably see quite a few discussions here regarding Seeburg repair issues as there were many of these machines in circulation and in home use.In my opinion,these are no more difficult or expensive to work on for the average hobbyist-technician than any other make. If needed, there are lots of original Seeburg used parts in circulation. Seeburg jukes beginning with the model V-200 in 1956 were equipped with a tormat selection registration system,replacing the pinbank technology. This is an electronically-based system that can be more difficult to troubleshoot. The Select O Matic vertical play record changer is one of the simpler jukebox mechanisms to work on, and has fewer moving parts than the others. The Select O matics are durable and highly dependable. By comparison, the Wurlitzer mechs. are the most complex units. The Seeburg amp & speaker systems (of this time period) are basic, 25 watt mono, tube-type, good-sounding systems. As far as repair-maintenance is concerned, the selection receiver chassis and amplifier will probably need rebuilding & cap-jobs. The expense to rebuild these units is pretty typical. The early 60's stereo, tormat equipped Seeburg jukes are known for being expensive to re-hab, by comparison. The other Select O Matic tech challenge that gets discussed here quite a bit is the unique double-needle phono cartridge they use. The original "redhead" magnetic phono cartridge used a non compliant straight shank stylus that won't track stereo records. An aftermarket offset .7 mil stylus is stereo compatible, and readily available. When stereo 45 records were introduced in the early 60's, a number of aftermarket manufacturers offered stereo-compatible cartridge retrofits for Seeburg mono jukeboxes. A few of these were of poor quality. Jukebox techs made other creative modifications so that all record types could be played. The Seeburg cartridges are unique in design and can't be replaced with traditional-design phono pickups. Does this address your questions/concerns? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Emergency Loan Need cash? Click to get an emergency loan, bad credit ok http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=F1PBPQobBSq9LSHsSCLdngAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADeAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 9 09:00:33 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 9 09:05:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DS 100 Ear Speaker Question Message-ID: <20091209.120033.16787.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Rick: Did you want to buy a replacement driver unit or a complete wing speaker assembly? The purpose of the 22 mfd 50 or 100 volt cap is to filter low audio frequencies from entering the ear level speakers. I believe, but I'm not sure that the speaker driver size used in the wing speakers is a 3" x 5" 8 ohm unit. Speaker manufacturers for car stereo should have this size in their parts catalog. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Online Loan Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=_SkBYIOZ7BypUGl1RbGEywAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQZAAAAAA= From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed Dec 9 09:03:38 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Dec 9 09:05:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B In-Reply-To: <20091209.115251.16787.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091209.115251.16787.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: James, great outline of the Seeburg B ! You covered the major points very well. I had a question regarding the free play units that you refer to. I have a G and R, that are on coin (with a hidden free play switch). Would I be saving wear on the credit accumulator if I installed one of these free play devices? I've seen some that let you flick between "free" and "coin". Any idea where to get these aftermarket gizmos? Thanks in advance, Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, December, 09 11:53 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Rich: The Seeburg M100 (B) series of jukeboxes are sought after by collectors and were popular-use jukeboxes in the 50's. If needed, there are a great number of aftermarket, replicated parts available for these machines. The model B was Seeburg's first juke to use the "new" 45 RPM records. The keyboard-latching solenoid should not be left constantly on (make selection) in any make jukebox equipped with a mechanically-assisted keyboard for a long period of time. These draw quite a bit of current and tend to overheat. The credit accumulator can be set up to count down credits or one of the aftermarket free-play adapter kits (choice of several offered) will turn on the select light when one of the letter-number buttons on the keyboard is pressed. The free play kits are usually bought if the credit accumulator (located on the selection rcvr chassis) is missing or is too far gone to be repaired/restored. The selection registration on the M100 Seeburgs is accomplished using a pinbank of individual solenoid pins like the 104-select Wurlitzer carousel-style, or Rock Ola models of the 50's. Depending upon the condition of the 100-B that you buy, the pinbank contacts may or may not need to be cleaned. Dirty pinbank contacts will cause selections (one, few or many) not to register when written in. A unique-distinction of the Seeburg pinbanks--if it does need a cleaning job, it is the easiest pinbank to work on, compared to the other jukebox makes. There is a how-to video available from CA. tech Mike Zuccaro, showing a step-by-step disassembly, cleaning, reassembly of a Seeburg 100 pinbank if you'd like to do this repair yourself. There are repair services (Vern Tisdale & others) that will rebuild your M100 pinbank if you'd rather farm the job out. You probably see quite a few discussions here regarding Seeburg repair issues as there were many of these machines in circulation and in home use.In my opinion,these are no more difficult or expensive to work on for the average hobbyist-technician than any other make. If needed, there are lots of original Seeburg used parts in circulation. Seeburg jukes beginning with the model V-200 in 1956 were equipped with a tormat selection registration system,replacing the pinbank technology. This is an electronically-based system that can be more difficult to troubleshoot. The Select O Matic vertical play record changer is one of the simpler jukebox mechanisms to work on, and has fewer moving parts than the others. The Select O matics are durable and highly dependable. By comparison, the Wurlitzer mechs. are the most complex units. The Seeburg amp & speaker systems (of this time period) are basic, 25 watt mono, tube-type, good-sounding systems. As far as repair-maintenance is concerned, the selection receiver chassis and amplifier will probably need rebuilding & cap-jobs. The expense to rebuild these units is pretty typical. The early 60's stereo, tormat equipped Seeburg jukes are known for being expensive to re-hab, by comparison. The other Select O Matic tech challenge that gets discussed here quite a bit is the unique double-needle phono cartridge they use. The original "redhead" magnetic phono cartridge used a non compliant straight shank stylus that won't track stereo records. An aftermarket offset .7 mil stylus is stereo compatible, and readily available. When stereo 45 records were introduced in the early 60's, a number of aftermarket manufacturers offered stereo-compatible cartridge retrofits for Seeburg mono jukeboxes. A few of these were of poor quality. Jukebox techs made other creative modifications so that all record types could be played. The Seeburg cartridges are unique in design and can't be replaced with traditional-design phono pickups. Does this address your questions/concerns? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Emergency Loan Need cash? 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Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu?il contient par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m?en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Dec 9 09:04:49 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Wed Dec 9 09:06:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B In-Reply-To: <20091209.115251.16787.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091209.115251.16787.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1FE893E57BDC4975B18BB66549CB64F6@p4> Jim, Merry Christmas to you and your family. Thanks for the response. As thorough an explanation as could be asked for. Will keep you posted if the seller contacts me. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:53 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Rich: The Seeburg M100 (B) series of jukeboxes are sought after by collectors and were popular-use jukeboxes in the 50's. If needed, there are a great number of aftermarket, replicated parts available for these machines. The model B was Seeburg's first juke to use the "new" 45 RPM records. The keyboard-latching solenoid should not be left constantly on (make selection) in any make jukebox equipped with a mechanically-assisted keyboard for a long period of time. These draw quite a bit of current and tend to overheat. The credit accumulator can be set up to count down credits or one of the aftermarket free-play adapter kits (choice of several offered) will turn on the select light when one of the letter-number buttons on the keyboard is pressed. The free play kits are usually bought if the credit accumulator (located on the selection rcvr chassis) is missing or is too far gone to be repaired/restored. The selection registration on the M100 Seeburgs is accomplished using a pinbank of individual solenoid pins like the 104-select Wurlitzer carousel-style, or Rock Ola models of the 50's. Depending upon the condition of the 100-B that you buy, the pinbank contacts may or may not need to be cleaned. Dirty pinbank contacts will cause selections (one, few or many) not to register when written in. A unique-distinction of the Seeburg pinbanks--if it does need a cleaning job, it is the easiest pinbank to work on, compared to the other jukebox makes. There is a how-to video available from CA. tech Mike Zuccaro, showing a step-by-step disassembly, cleaning, reassembly of a Seeburg 100 pinbank if you'd like to do this repair yourself. There are repair services (Vern Tisdale & others) that will rebuild your M100 pinbank if you'd rather farm the job out. You probably see quite a few discussions here regarding Seeburg repair issues as there were many of these machines in circulation and in home use.In my opinion,these are no more difficult or expensive to work on for the average hobbyist-technician than any other make. If needed, there are lots of original Seeburg used parts in circulation. Seeburg jukes beginning with the model V-200 in 1956 were equipped with a tormat selection registration system,replacing the pinbank technology. This is an electronically-based system that can be more difficult to troubleshoot. The Select O Matic vertical play record changer is one of the simpler jukebox mechanisms to work on, and has fewer moving parts than the others. The Select O matics are durable and highly dependable. By comparison, the Wurlitzer mechs. are the most complex units. The Seeburg amp & speaker systems (of this time period) are basic, 25 watt mono, tube-type, good-sounding systems. As far as repair-maintenance is concerned, the selection receiver chassis and amplifier will probably need rebuilding & cap-jobs. The expense to rebuild these units is pretty typical. The early 60's stereo, tormat equipped Seeburg jukes are known for being expensive to re-hab, by comparison. The other Select O Matic tech challenge that gets discussed here quite a bit is the unique double-needle phono cartridge they use. The original "redhead" magnetic phono cartridge used a non compliant straight shank stylus that won't track stereo records. An aftermarket offset .7 mil stylus is stereo compatible, and readily available. When stereo 45 records were introduced in the early 60's, a number of aftermarket manufacturers offered stereo-compatible cartridge retrofits for Seeburg mono jukeboxes. A few of these were of poor quality. Jukebox techs made other creative modifications so that all record types could be played. The Seeburg cartridges are unique in design and can't be replaced with traditional-design phono pickups. Does this address your questions/concerns? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Emergency Loan Need cash? Click to get an emergency loan, bad credit ok http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=F1PBPQobBSq9LSHsSCLdngAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADeAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.99/2553 - Release Date: 12/09/09 01:32:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 9 09:19:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 9 09:20:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B In-Reply-To: <20091209.115251.16787.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <930369.13080.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Rich, Couple of points of dis-agreement-- The "pricing unit" (Seeburg calls it a "Credit and Cancel Unit"-CCU) is not an "accumulator" type. It is strictly a set (able) number of plays for each type coin--(NDQ). You MUST "make selection(s) after EACH coin". It is also required for any aftermarket "free play unit", that I have seen, to have the CCU in the phono and at least 98% working. There is a new "total replacement unit" just out on the market, which I have yet to see---- I find the 60's Tormat equipped phono's much less expensive to re-hab, do to the Tormat, which replaces the pinbank. The only exception to that are the early stereo amps, which ARE labor intensive in the replacement of caps, due to the fact that they are almost two seperate amps, and require many more replacements--. The cartridge? used on the model "B" was a "blackhead"--the "redhead" was used a few years later. Other then the above--I totally agree with Jim's statements--- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/9/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 8:52 AM Rich: The Seeburg M100 (B) series of jukeboxes are sought after by collectors and were popular-use jukeboxes in the 50's. If needed, there are a great number of aftermarket, replicated parts available for these machines. The model B was Seeburg's first juke to use the "new" 45 RPM records. The keyboard-latching solenoid should not be left constantly on (make selection) in any make jukebox equipped with a mechanically-assisted keyboard for a long period of time. These draw quite a bit of current and tend to overheat.? The credit accumulator can be set up to count down credits or one of the aftermarket free-play adapter kits (choice of several offered) will turn on the select light when one of the letter-number buttons on the keyboard is pressed.? The free play kits are usually bought if the credit accumulator (located on the selection rcvr chassis) is missing or is too far gone to be repaired/restored. The selection registration on the M100 Seeburgs is accomplished using a pinbank of individual solenoid pins like the 104-select Wurlitzer carousel-style, or Rock Ola models of the 50's.? ? Depending upon the condition of the 100-B that you buy, the pinbank contacts may or may not need to be cleaned. Dirty pinbank contacts will cause selections (one, few or many) not to register when written in.? A unique-distinction of the Seeburg pinbanks--if it does need a cleaning job, it is the easiest? pinbank to work on, compared to the other jukebox makes. There is a how-to video available from CA. tech Mike Zuccaro, showing a step-by-step disassembly, cleaning, reassembly of a Seeburg 100 pinbank if you'd like to do this repair yourself.? ? ???There are repair services (Vern Tisdale & others) that will rebuild your M100 pinbank if you'd rather farm the job out.? ? You probably see quite a few discussions here regarding Seeburg repair issues as there were many of these machines in circulation and in home use.In my opinion,these are no more difficult or expensive to work on for the average hobbyist-technician than any other make. If needed, there are lots of original Seeburg used parts in circulation. Seeburg jukes beginning with the model V-200 in 1956 were equipped with a tormat selection registration system,replacing the pinbank technology.???This is an electronically-based system that can be more difficult to troubleshoot. The Select O Matic vertical play record changer is one of the simpler jukebox mechanisms to work on, and has fewer moving parts than the others.? The Select O matics are durable and highly dependable.? By comparison, the Wurlitzer mechs. are the most complex units.? The Seeburg amp & speaker systems (of this time period)? are basic, 25 watt mono,? tube-type, good-sounding systems.???As far as repair-maintenance is concerned, the selection receiver chassis and amplifier will probably need rebuilding & cap-jobs.???The expense to rebuild these units is pretty typical.???The early 60's stereo, tormat equipped Seeburg jukes are known for being expensive to re-hab, by comparison.? ? The other Select O Matic tech challenge that gets discussed here quite a bit? is the unique double-needle phono cartridge they use. The original "redhead" magnetic phono cartridge used a non compliant straight shank stylus that won't track stereo records.? An aftermarket offset .7 mil stylus is stereo compatible, and readily available.? ? When stereo 45 records were introduced in the early 60's, a number of aftermarket manufacturers offered stereo-compatible cartridge retrofits for Seeburg mono jukeboxes. A few of these were of poor quality.???Jukebox techs made other creative modifications so that all record types could be played. The Seeburg cartridges are unique in design and can't be replaced with traditional-design phono pickups.??? Does this address? your questions/concerns?? Jim Alexander? ____________________________________________________________ Emergency Loan Need cash? Click to get an emergency loan, bad credit ok http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=F1PBPQobBSq9LSHsSCLdngAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADeAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 9 10:02:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 9 10:04:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DS 100 Ear Speaker Question In-Reply-To: <20091209.120033.16787.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <392328.55654.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy's That speaker was a "special", if? recall right--if possible, I would get it re-conned--seems like the size was odd-or the mounting was odd--or something ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/9/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] DS 100 Ear Speaker Question To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:00 AM Rick: Did you want to buy a replacement driver unit or a complete wing speaker assembly? The purpose of the 22 mfd 50 or 100 volt cap is to filter low audio frequencies from entering the ear level speakers. I believe, but I'm not sure that the speaker driver size used in the wing speakers is a 3" x 5"???8 ohm unit.???Speaker manufacturers for car stereo should have this size in their parts catalog.? Jim Alexander? ____________________________________________________________ Online Loan Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=_SkBYIOZ7BypUGl1RbGEywAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQZAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 9 10:04:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 9 10:06:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <669824.38764.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mike, No saving on the CCU--but a MUCH lower risk of fire !!? I sell them--contact me off list if you wish. Ron Rich? ronnnrich@yahoo.com --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:03 AM James, great outline of the Seeburg B ! You covered the major points very well. I had a question regarding the free play units that you refer to. I have a G and R, that are on coin (with a hidden free play switch). Would I be saving wear on the credit accumulator if I installed one of these free play devices? I've seen some that let you flick between "free" and "coin". Any idea where to get these aftermarket gizmos? Thanks in advance, Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, December, 09 11:53 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Rich: The Seeburg M100 (B) series of jukeboxes are sought after by collectors and were popular-use jukeboxes in the 50's. If needed, there are a great number of aftermarket, replicated parts available for these machines. The model B was Seeburg's first juke to use the "new" 45 RPM records. The keyboard-latching solenoid should not be left constantly on (make selection) in any make jukebox equipped with a mechanically-assisted keyboard for a long period of time. These draw quite a bit of current and tend to overheat.? The credit accumulator can be set up to count down credits or one of the aftermarket free-play adapter kits (choice of several offered) will turn on the select light when one of the letter-number buttons on the keyboard is pressed.? The free play kits are usually bought if the credit accumulator (located on the selection rcvr chassis) is missing or is too far gone to be repaired/restored. The selection registration on the M100 Seeburgs is accomplished using a pinbank of individual solenoid pins like the 104-select Wurlitzer carousel-style, or Rock Ola models of the 50's.? ? Depending upon the condition of the 100-B that you buy, the pinbank contacts may or may not need to be cleaned. Dirty pinbank contacts will cause selections (one, few or many) not to register when written in.? A unique-distinction of the Seeburg pinbanks--if it does need a cleaning job, it is the easiest pinbank to work on, compared to the other jukebox makes. There is a how-to video available from CA. tech Mike Zuccaro, showing a step-by-step disassembly, cleaning, reassembly of a Seeburg 100 pinbank if you'd like to do this repair yourself.? ? ???There are repair services (Vern Tisdale & others) that will rebuild your M100 pinbank if you'd rather farm the job out.? ? You probably see quite a few discussions here regarding Seeburg repair issues as there were many of these machines in circulation and in home use.In my opinion,these are no more difficult or expensive to work on for the average hobbyist-technician than any other make. If needed, there are lots of original Seeburg used parts in circulation. Seeburg jukes beginning with the model V-200 in 1956 were equipped with a tormat selection registration system,replacing the pinbank technology. This is an electronically-based system that can be more difficult to troubleshoot. The Select O Matic vertical play record changer is one of the simpler jukebox mechanisms to work on, and has fewer moving parts than the others.? The Select O matics are durable and highly dependable.? By comparison, the Wurlitzer mechs. are the most complex units.? The Seeburg amp & speaker systems (of this time period)? are basic, 25 watt mono,? tube-type, good-sounding systems.???As far as repair-maintenance is concerned, the selection receiver chassis and amplifier will probably need rebuilding & cap-jobs.???The expense to rebuild these units is pretty typical.???The early 60's stereo, tormat equipped Seeburg jukes are known for being expensive to re-hab, by comparison.? ? The other Select O Matic tech challenge that gets discussed here quite a bit? is the unique double-needle phono cartridge they use. The original "redhead" magnetic phono cartridge used a non compliant straight shank stylus that won't track stereo records.? An aftermarket offset .7 mil stylus is stereo compatible, and readily available.? ? When stereo 45 records were introduced in the early 60's, a number of aftermarket manufacturers offered stereo-compatible cartridge retrofits for Seeburg mono jukeboxes. A few of these were of poor quality.???Jukebox techs made other creative modifications so that all record types could be played. The Seeburg cartridges are unique in design and can't be replaced with traditional-design phono pickups.??? Does this address? your questions/concerns?? Jim Alexander? ____________________________________________________________ Emergency Loan Need cash? 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Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements quil contient par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez men aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 9 10:19:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 9 10:21:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT but an incredible music machine In-Reply-To: <709BBD7914A641C6B79EFF97ECFA1897@PAW> Message-ID: <701339.65164.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Wes, Your comments "from the other side" are most welcome--? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Wesley Dean wrote: From: Wesley Dean Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT but an incredible music machine To: "Robert Nickels" , "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 7:09 AM Just a comment on this video about the musical instrument built out of John Deere parts. I have the music video "ANIMUSIC" and it is the same video that you are referring to I would like to see the article about the "MACHINE" that they built. Wes from the other side!! > Not a jukebox, but the next closest thing.? Talk about a precision machine!? Read this first, then watch. > > This incredible machine was built as a collaborative effort between the Robert M. Trammell Music Conservatory and the Sharon Wick School of > Engineering at the University of Iowa . Amazingly, 97% of the machines components came from John Deere Industries and Deere Industries and Irrigation Equipment of Bancroft , Iowa . Yes, farm equipment > > It took the team a combined 13,029 hours of set-up, alignment, calibration, and tuning before filming this video but as you can see, it was WELL worth the effort. > > It is now on display in the Matthew Gerhard Alumni Hall at the University and is already slated to be donated to the Smithsonian.???Have sound on! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjGtbv5R3WE > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 9 10:23:09 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 9 10:27:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Message-ID: <20091209.132309.9739.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Ron: Not to belabor the issue, but: Yes, I know the Seeburg CCU does not operate like most other accumulators. Just using a generic term to get a point across. One of the solid state (free play units) adapters out there says the original CCU does not need to be in place to enable keyboard use. Not sure which one. I'm aware of 3 vendors offering aftermarket free play kits. I've had several prospective owners of as-found Seeburg 222's, Q's, DS's,AY'S come to me for repair where: the amp needed to be rebuilt, including buying new 6973 (pricey tubes, avg cost $25-30 ea x 4) and the tormat chassis needed to be rebuilt. There are the usual mech-maintenance issues. A new set of stereo "T" stylii are usually needed (expensive,no longer made stylii $80/pr or more) This "perfect storm" combination is an expensive repair to undertake in one sitting. Especially true these days, where everyone is watching their money carefully. Sorry Ron--disagree with you on this one. RE: cartridges It seems that a lot of the blackhead model cartridges were changed to the redhead version on old Seeburg 100 B-C-G,etc mechs in this part of the country. Maybe all the blackheads headed west in your direction. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Emergency Loan Need cash? 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Just using a generic term to get a point across.? One of the solid state (free play units) adapters out there says the original CCU does not need to be in place to enable keyboard use.???Not sure which one.???I'm aware of 3 vendors offering aftermarket free play kits. I've had several prospective owners of as-found Seeburg 222's, Q's, DS's,AY'S? come to me for repair where: the amp needed to be rebuilt, including buying new 6973 (pricey tubes, avg cost $25-30 ea x 4) and the tormat chassis needed to be rebuilt.???There are? the usual mech-maintenance issues. A new set of stereo "T" stylii are usually needed? (expensive,no longer made stylii $80/pr or more)? This "perfect storm" combination is an expensive repair to undertake in one sitting.? Especially true these days, where everyone is watching their money carefully.? ? ? ? Sorry Ron--disagree with you on this one. RE: cartridges? ? It seems that a lot of the blackhead model cartridges were changed to the redhead version on old Seeburg 100 B-C-G,etc mechs in this part of the country.? Maybe all the blackheads headed west in your direction. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Emergency Loan Need cash? 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If the repro parts get too expensive, it will not be worth restoring some machines, unless you can afford to "sit" on them and sell later, if and when prices increase. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2009, December, 09 1:48 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Inflation-was-Seeburg B Jim, No Problem-- Yes--I have some of the "new" replacement credit units "on the way"--but have not yet seen, nor tested them--- You are correct--parts prices are up--but then again, I recall a gallon of gas for 19 cents--and a pack of smokes for 17 cents--(three one cent coins inserted into the package !)-a news paper for 2 cents (Price war --usually 3- 5 cents)-- "Stuff happens" --especially "inflation"-- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/9/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 10:23 AM Ron: Not to belabor the issue, but: Yes, I know the Seeburg CCU does not operate like most other accumulators.? Just using a generic term to get a point across. One of the solid state (free play units) adapters out there says the original CCU does not need to be in place to enable keyboard use.???Not sure which one.???I'm aware of 3 vendors offering aftermarket free play kits. I've had several prospective owners of as-found Seeburg 222's, Q's, DS's,AY'S? come to me for repair where: the amp needed to be rebuilt, including buying new 6973 (pricey tubes, avg cost $25-30 ea x 4) and the tormat chassis needed to be rebuilt.???There are? the usual mech-maintenance issues. A new set of stereo "T" stylii are usually needed? (expensive,no longer made stylii $80/pr or more)? This "perfect storm" combination is an expensive repair to undertake in one sitting.? Especially true these days, where everyone is watching their money carefully.? ? ? ? Sorry Ron--disagree with you on this one. RE: cartridges? ? It seems that a lot of the blackhead model cartridges were changed to the redhead version on old Seeburg 100 B-C-G,etc mechs in this part of the country.? Maybe all the blackheads headed west in your direction. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Emergency Loan Need cash? 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If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. L?exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s?y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu?il contient par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m?en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 9 13:44:18 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Wed Dec 9 13:45:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway Message-ID: <494333.34042.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I have a decent Seeburg Hideaway. It has been sitting in the garage and I like to stack stuff on it. Maybe I could get some additional use from it. I like to play favorite songs while working (making a mess) in the shop. I hate to make selections from a wallbox; it takes time and my hands are always too dirty, lazy? etc. It would be nice if I could select the music I like and not have to do it again and again. It seems disabling the cancel circuit seems like an easy option but there is some reason that cannot be done, I believe. Is this use of a hideaway even worth thinking about? OK, I know I should keep using the MP3 player but it just ain't the same. Why did I ever sell the several library units I've had? David (Near the Geritol Ghetto) From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 9 15:31:43 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 9 15:36:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] DS 100 Ear Speaker Question Message-ID: <20091209.183143.16497.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Ron: Not sure without looking it up (I'll do it if the guy needing the DS speaker really wants the info--I have the book for it.) but I think the speaker was a typical 3"x 5" oval-shaped single cone speaker. It was a high-wattage ( 25W,big for the time) model that had a larger than average size magnet. This size was popular as a car-radio dashboard speaker in compact cars at the time. Not sure of the voice coil impedance. The Seeburg device was a Heppner-brand speaker. I think the same model speakers were later used as the upper cabinet drivers in the mid 60's "Discotheque" (Fleetwood?) model jukes. I think the model number was APFEAU-1?. With regard to reconing: If the original manufacturer and their cone kits are no longer available. Recone dealers have access to two universal cone-kit manufacturers that market a big catalog of replacement kits, but these suppliers have been paring back their model choices to the kits that sell. You should check it out, but it's becoming more difficult to get some of the more off-normal drivers reconed for any price. If you pay attention to the speaker specs, and match up to them, you generally have a greater resource at your disposal (with spkrs available from all over the world) of buying a quality current-generation replacement driver. In the process, it'll usually cost less than reconing an original. This does not mean that you should trust the counter guy at Rat Shack to line you up with one of their repl. speakers. Their choice in drivers is quite limited and most are of minimal quality--not a good match for your Seeburg. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Emergency Loan Need cash? Click to get an emergency loan, bad credit ok http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=abR_GqN2nQ79oKWPdAlOYQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADeAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 9 15:47:17 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 9 15:50:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway Message-ID: <20091209.184717.16497.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> David: It is fairly easy to disable the cancel pulse from operating in your Seeburg 100B hideaway juke if you want it to operate like a library model. The mech will continualy scan the record rack, stopping to play the same song selections on every complete pass. A few points to consider before you decide to jump into this: You will still require a 3-W1 or equivalent wall box to write in new song choices, if you decide to change the lineup. Otherwise the only way you can operate the pinbank is "by-gosh-and-by-golly" using your fingers. The hideaway juke models generally did not come equipped with all the hardware in place to support the operation of a keyboard. (the front panel of a Seeburg jukebox) All selection entry came by way of wallboxes through the stepper-sw. circuit. on the other hand, many operators that had hideaway jukes on their vending route would transplant the "guts" from a fully equipped machine into a hideaway system if they had a system breakdown. Your hideaway might be a fully-equipped unit with the CCU and plug in connectors to accept a keyboard. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Search Marketing Click for free info on using seach engines to expand your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Im2VlesGF1lrwGpBZ5b-dgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARBwAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 9 16:03:40 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 9 16:06:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Inflation-was-Seeburg B Message-ID: <20091209.190340.16497.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: In a further expansion of your message that I'm agreeing with. Yes, parts prices are up, but generally not too much. In the current crummy economy, certain "sure thing" nicely-restored collectible juke models will sell at prices near the Always Jukin' "blue book" values. On the other hand, marginally-popular juke models (i.e later 60's-70's-80's vinyl jukes-all makes) are selling for giveaway prices or not at all. Chances are, current technology (personal digital music players, big capacity CD component players, etc) along with the slow economy has killed off any interest in these machines. Generally they would sell for moderate prices (under $1000,if electro-mechanically refurbished) to someone who wanted a home jukebox for their bar or game room. I've managed to sell 2 collectible-value jukes recently, but it wasn't easy. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! 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If the CCU in your home jukebox is in reasonably good shape and maintained, the amount of wear and tear in home use should be negiligible, so it should last a long time. The goal here is to NOT leave the "select" on with the latching solenoid engaged for long periods of time. (more than a 1/2 hour?) This hard to replace device can become damaged. Some sellers of M100 jukes like to jumper the quarter switch contacts on---not a good idea. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Stock Trading Learn to trade with confidence! Online Stock Trading. 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Thanks, > > g.hrmn > > I used a single transformer that generates 6.3VAC @ 10A plus 33VAC, > 24VAC and a few others - from an old SEGA arcade game (I have no spares > of this transformer) - and then wired up a series of power connectors to > match the various amps that wandered into our shop. A Cinch-Jones 4-pin > plug to match Seeburgs, and so on. > > For the speaker setup I used a small speaker box that has a toggle > switch (toggles between the speaker and the 8 ohm resistor - to mute the > output or hear it), an 8 ohm speaker, an 8 ohm-50W load resistor, and a > 5500 Ohm-50W resistor for the field load. Then I made up a Molex 5pin > plug that I could plug onto my various jukebox speaker plugs on the amps > under service. Each Molex plug would configure the various load > resistors and the speaker to match the needs of the amp. > > I could take some pictures of the setup and post to flippers if there is > much interest... > > John :-#)# From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 9 19:33:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 9 19:35:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway In-Reply-To: <494333.34042.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53540.43360.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Not really practical. I suppose that you could engineer a circuit to write in any selection that it played over again--but the beauty of the Tormat is that it "canceled" the selection at the same time the mechanism was "told" to stop. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/9/09, david wendell wrote: From: david wendell Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:44 PM Hi, I have a decent Seeburg Hideaway.? It has been sitting in the garage and I like to stack stuff on it.? Maybe I could get some additional use from it.? I like to play favorite songs while working (making a mess) in the shop.? I hate to make selections from a wallbox; it takes time and my hands are always too dirty, lazy? etc.? It would be nice if I could select the music I like and not have to do it again and again.? It seems disabling the cancel circuit seems like an easy option but there is some reason that cannot be done, I believe.? Is this use of a hideaway even worth thinking about? OK, I know I should keep using the MP3 player but it just ain't the same.? Why did I ever sell the several library units I've had?? David (Near the Geritol Ghetto) ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 9 19:37:38 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 9 19:39:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway In-Reply-To: <20091209.184717.16497.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <902126.28395.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Gents, My bad on this answer--Jim is 100% correct--somehow I read the hideaway was a Tormat type unit--?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/9/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 3:47 PM David: It is fairly easy to disable the cancel pulse from operating in your Seeburg 100B hideaway juke if you want it to operate like a library model.? The mech will continualy scan the record rack, stopping to play the same song selections on every complete pass. A few points to consider before you decide to jump into this: You will still require a 3-W1 or equivalent wall box to write in new song choices, if you decide to change the lineup.? Otherwise the only way you can operate the pinbank is "by-gosh-and-by-golly"? using your fingers. The hideaway juke models generally did not come equipped with all the hardware in place to support the operation of a keyboard. (the front panel of a Seeburg jukebox) All selection entry came by way of wallboxes through the stepper-sw. circuit. on the other hand, many operators that had hideaway jukes on their vending route would transplant the "guts" from a fully equipped machine into a hideaway system if they had a system breakdown.???Your hideaway might be a fully-equipped unit with the CCU and plug in connectors to accept a keyboard. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Search Marketing Click for free info on using seach engines to expand your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Im2VlesGF1lrwGpBZ5b-dgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARBwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 9 19:46:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 9 19:48:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B In-Reply-To: <20091209.192219.16497.3@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <451802.71049.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, I do sell them-- I have never seen coin switches jumpered. The coin coils in the CCU will take a lot of "punishment" but do burn out from time to time--and as such should never be "shorted".? Most of the "Free play conversions" I've seen on the CCU have been bending the "cancel ramp" out of the switch path--a " real PIA" to get right afterword-- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/9/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 4:22 PM Mike: I'll have to look it up to get you accurate answers on the free play units and their features.? My source of info was either the Jukebox Collector or Always Jukin' magazines. (almost any old issue--there are usually ads running by the vendors of these items) Possibly, Ron Rich might be a vendor selling these devices. The other name that comes to mind is a guy named Seymour Levitt, located somewhere in the midwestern US.? ? If the CCU in your home jukebox is in reasonably good shape and maintained, the amount of wear and tear in home use should be negiligible, so it should last a long time.???The goal here is to NOT leave the "select" on with the latching solenoid engaged for long periods of time.? (more than a 1/2 hour?)? This hard to replace device can become damaged. Some sellers of M100 jukes like to jumper the quarter switch contacts on---not a good idea. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Stock Trading Learn to trade with confidence! Online Stock Trading. 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JIm Alexander. ____________________________________________________________ Online Loan Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=YsWZOQ66YLTUyfwdgOinJAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQZAAAAAA= From webmaster at guestwho.com Wed Dec 9 22:22:58 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Wed Dec 9 22:24:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT but an incredible music machine In-Reply-To: <709BBD7914A641C6B79EFF97ECFA1897@PAW> References: <4B1D6240.4060501@comcast.net> <709BBD7914A641C6B79EFF97ECFA1897@PAW> Message-ID: <17BC4174F68D42C49FBB214831FB02BE@CHRISLAPTOP> http://www.snopes.com/photos/arts/musicmachine.asp Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wesley Dean" To: "Robert Nickels" ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT but an incredible music machine > Just a comment on this video about the musical instrument built out of > John Deere parts. > I have the music video "ANIMUSIC" and it is the same video that you are > referring to I would like to see the article about the "MACHINE" that they > built. > Wes from the other side!! > >> Not a jukebox, but the next closest thing. Talk about a precision >> machine! Read this first, then watch. >> >> This incredible machine was built as a collaborative effort between the >> Robert M. Trammell Music Conservatory and the Sharon Wick School of >> Engineering at the University of Iowa . Amazingly, 97% of the machines >> components came from John Deere Industries and Deere Industries and >> Irrigation Equipment of Bancroft , Iowa . Yes, farm equipment >> >> It took the team a combined 13,029 hours of set-up, alignment, >> calibration, and tuning before filming this video but as you can see, it >> was WELL worth the effort. >> >> It is now on display in the Matthew Gerhard Alumni Hall at the University >> and is already slated to be donated to the Smithsonian. Have sound on! >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjGtbv5R3WE >> >> Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 10 03:56:05 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Thu Dec 10 03:57:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway In-Reply-To: <902126.28395.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <547189.51094.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> James and Ron, Thank You both for the informative answers! I was thinking I could not do that, with the hideaway, but I must have mixed up the electro-mechanical pinbank with the tormat system. Sounds like fun and I am looking forward to this project. I can make the wife think I know what I am doing! We are fortunate to have such a valuable resource for all of our jukebox (and more sometimes) questions! David (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 8:37 PM > Gents, > My bad on this answer--Jim is 100% correct--somehow I read > the hideaway was a Tormat type unit--?? Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 12/9/09, James Alexander > wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 3:47 PM > > > > David: > > It is fairly easy to disable the cancel pulse from > operating in your Seeburg 100B hideaway juke if you want it > to operate like a library model.? The mech will continualy > scan the record rack, stopping to play the same song > selections on every complete pass. > > A few points to consider before you decide to jump into > this: > > You will still require a 3-W1 or equivalent wall box to > write in new song choices, if you decide to change the > lineup.? Otherwise the only way you can operate the pinbank > is "by-gosh-and-by-golly"? using your fingers. > The hideaway juke models generally did not come equipped > with all the hardware in place to support the operation of a > keyboard. (the front panel of a Seeburg jukebox) All > selection entry came by way of wallboxes through the > stepper-sw. circuit. > on the other hand, many operators that had hideaway jukes > on their vending route would transplant the "guts" from a > fully equipped machine into a hideaway system if they had a > system breakdown.???Your hideaway might be a > fully-equipped unit with the CCU and plug in connectors to > accept a keyboard. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Search Marketing > Click for free info on using seach engines to expand your > business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Im2VlesGF1lrwGpBZ5b-dgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARBwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 10 06:56:44 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 10 07:00:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway Message-ID: <20091210.095644.29358.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hello David: I'm aware of someone that once did what you are describing. In a Seeburg HM100 hideaway cabinet, they mounted the "backing plate" containing the operating parts of a 3-W1 wall box on one of the inner sidewalls of the cabinet. The depth of the 3-W1 would have not fit in the space available if the the front cover of the wallbox was in place. They wanted all controls located inside the lockable cabinet. This wall box was used (your stepper switch needs to be in working condition)to enter selections into the pinbank. A toggle switch was added to provide a cancel pulse "on-off" function. This way selections could be taken off and changed as the records played, clearing the way to make a new program of selections if desired. This setup was used for foreground music by an amusement ride operator for one of their large rides, where they wanted to have a continously-playing program of the latest top hits into a high-powered ext. sound system. The owner only wanted his designated personnel to handle music programming. If a typical phono turntable (stacking changer) was used, the ride operators spent too much time playing DJ. This was being done in the late 60's when music on records was still the best sounding, reliable playback medium. (At the time, the only other practical choice for them would have been an 8-track cartridge changer) The music format needed to use a popular playback media, so that carnival guys could buy and insert new record choices wherever in the country they took their ride setup. The hideaway cabinet could also be setup in a fairly clean,vibration-free location, away from all the "action". At it's peak of use, a 2nd complete portable 3-W1 wall box was setup on a plug-in cable in the ride operator's booth. The juke would have it's cancel pulse working. The ride op. could set the mood he wanted for the customers by selecting each song he wanted to play next. You wouldn't have been able to do this easily with a library unit. The ride operator used this setup for several years. This was one of the more unusual applications for a jukebox mech. that I've run across. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=oGdEZ42D6ZTmUjZ9pIYpAgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 10 07:48:14 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 10 07:49:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway In-Reply-To: <547189.51094.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <874220.90125.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave, You are welcome--EZ way I see is to add a "slide switch" which when open, holds the "SC" contacts open--thus preventing the cancel pulse from reaching the coil(s). Ron Rich ? --- On Thu, 12/10/09, david wendell wrote: From: david wendell Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 3:56 AM James and Ron, Thank You both for the informative answers!? I was thinking I could not do that, with the hideaway, but I must have mixed up the electro-mechanical pinbank with the tormat system.? Sounds like fun and I am looking forward to this project.? I can make the wife think I know what I am doing!? We are fortunate to have such a valuable resource for all of our jukebox (and more sometimes) questions!? David (Geritol Ghetto)? --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 8:37 PM > Gents, > My bad on this answer--Jim is 100% correct--somehow I read > the hideaway was a Tormat type unit--?? Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 12/9/09, James Alexander > wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 3:47 PM > > > > David: > > It is fairly easy to disable the cancel pulse from > operating in your Seeburg 100B hideaway juke if you want it > to operate like a library model.? The mech will continualy > scan the record rack, stopping to play the same song > selections on every complete pass. > > A few points to consider before you decide to jump into > this: > > You will still require a 3-W1 or equivalent wall box to > write in new song choices, if you decide to change the > lineup.? Otherwise the only way you can operate the pinbank > is "by-gosh-and-by-golly"? using your fingers. > The hideaway juke models generally did not come equipped > with all the hardware in place to support the operation of a > keyboard. (the front panel of a Seeburg jukebox) All > selection entry came by way of wallboxes through the > stepper-sw. circuit. > on the other hand, many operators that had hideaway jukes > on their vending route would transplant the "guts" from a > fully equipped machine into a hideaway system if they had a > system breakdown.???Your hideaway might be a > fully-equipped unit with the CCU and plug in connectors to > accept a keyboard. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Search Marketing > Click for free info on using seach engines to expand your > business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Im2VlesGF1lrwGpBZ5b-dgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARBwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 10 08:57:51 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Thu Dec 10 08:59:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway In-Reply-To: <874220.90125.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <632212.41984.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, That sounds good! We'll have the old garage rockin & rollin soon! Thanks again! David (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 8:48 AM > Dave, > You are welcome--EZ way I see is to add a "slide switch" > which when open, holds the "SC" contacts open--thus > preventing the cancel pulse from reaching the coil(s). Ron > Rich > ? > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, david wendell > wrote: > > From: david wendell > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 3:56 AM > > James and Ron, > > Thank You both for the informative answers!? I was > thinking I could not do that, with the hideaway, but I must > have mixed up the electro-mechanical pinbank with the tormat > system.? Sounds like fun and I am looking forward to this > project.? I can make the wife think I know what I am > doing!? > > We are fortunate to have such a valuable resource for all > of our jukebox (and more sometimes) questions!? > > David (Geritol Ghetto)? > > --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Ron Rich > wrote: > > > From: Ron Rich > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 8:37 PM > > Gents, > > My bad on this answer--Jim is 100% correct--somehow I > read > > the hideaway was a Tormat type unit--?? Ron Rich > > > > --- On Wed, 12/9/09, James Alexander > > wrote: > > > > From: James Alexander > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 3:47 PM > > > > > > > > David: > > > > It is fairly easy to disable the cancel pulse from > > operating in your Seeburg 100B hideaway juke if you > want it > > to operate like a library model.? The mech will > continualy > > scan the record rack, stopping to play the same song > > selections on every complete pass. > > > > A few points to consider before you decide to jump > into > > this: > > > > You will still require a 3-W1 or equivalent wall box > to > > write in new song choices, if you decide to change > the > > lineup.? Otherwise the only way you can operate the > pinbank > > is "by-gosh-and-by-golly"? using your fingers. > > The hideaway juke models generally did not come > equipped > > with all the hardware in place to support the > operation of a > > keyboard. (the front panel of a Seeburg jukebox) All > > selection entry came by way of wallboxes through the > > stepper-sw. circuit. > > on the other hand, many operators that had hideaway > jukes > > on their vending route would transplant the "guts" > from a > > fully equipped machine into a hideaway system if they > had a > > system breakdown.???Your hideaway might be a > > fully-equipped unit with the CCU and plug in > connectors to > > accept a keyboard. > > > > Jim Alexander > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Search Marketing > > Click for free info on using seach engines to expand > your > > business. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Im2VlesGF1lrwGpBZ5b-dgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARBwAAAAA= > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 10 09:10:45 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Thu Dec 10 09:12:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway In-Reply-To: <20091210.095644.29358.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <884122.37682.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, What a unique setup for the carnival rides. I think some of the most inovative and smart people kept and keep the jukeboxes playing. We knew a Wurlitzer trained repairman who worked all over during WWII keeping the machines going. He seemed like a genius to me and rebuilt a few mechanisms for us. I still use those machines and always remember the fun of listening to his many stories of jukeboxes and the people around them. I had an old ABT gun game. I had taken the pistol apart and could not get it together. He grabbed that old thing, grumbling and cussing, the pieces were flying into place and presto I had a working gun. He just could not understand why I could not put it together when it was so simple. Those were great days! Thanks again! DAvid (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Thu, 12/10/09, James Alexander wrote: > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 7:56 AM > > Hello David: > > I'm aware of someone that once did what you are > describing.? In a Seeburg HM100 hideaway cabinet, they > mounted the "backing plate" containing the operating parts > of a 3-W1 wall box on one of the inner sidewalls of the > cabinet. > The depth of the 3-W1 would have not fit in the space > available if the the front cover of the wallbox was in > place. They wanted all controls located inside the lockable > cabinet. > > This wall box was used (your stepper switch needs to be in > working condition)to enter selections into the pinbank. A > toggle switch was added to provide a cancel pulse "on-off" > function.? ? This way selections could be taken > off and changed as the records played, clearing the way to > make a new program of selections if desired. > > This setup was used for foreground music by an amusement > ride operator for one of their large rides, where they > wanted to have a continously-playing? program of the > latest top hits into a high-powered ext. sound system.? > The owner only wanted his designated personnel to handle > music programming. If a typical phono turntable (stacking > changer) was used, the ride operators spent too much time > playing DJ. > This was being done in the late 60's when music on records > was still the best sounding, reliable playback medium.? > (At the time, the only other practical choice for them would > have been an 8-track cartridge changer)???The > music format needed to use a popular playback media, so that > carnival guys could buy and insert new record choices > wherever in the country they took their ride > setup.???The hideaway cabinet could also be > setup in a fairly clean,vibration-free location, away from > all the "action".? > ? ? > At it's peak of use, a 2nd complete portable 3-W1 wall box > was setup on a plug-in cable in the ride operator's booth. > The juke would have it's cancel pulse > working.???The ride op. could set the mood he > wanted for the customers by selecting each song he wanted to > play next.??? > > You wouldn't have been able to do this easily with a > library unit. > > The ride operator used this setup for several years.? > ? This was one of the more unusual applications for a > jukebox mech. that I've run across. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Banking > Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=oGdEZ42D6ZTmUjZ9pIYpAgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Dec 10 10:32:59 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Thu Dec 10 10:34:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 record basket belt Message-ID: Season's greetings one and all! Just got finished replacing the rubber belt that runs around the record basket in my RO 1475 Tempo since the old one had pretty much come close to disintegrating. While it wasn't the easiest thing in the world to get the new one on - with removing the brackets that hold it in place and cleaning off each of the plastic pulleys - the new belt has got me thinking that something may be amiss once I got it installed. I realize the the new belt is going to have a ton more tension than the old one had, but on either side of the belt support brackets, the top pulley (tensioner) is set as low as it can possibly go simply because I'm afraid of putting too much drag on the motor. But also, the way the belt loops around the basket has it touching itself at the very bottom of the basket. I hope I'm explaining it in a way that can be understood. Better yet, here's a URL to a very crude image I drew so everyone can better understand what I'm asking. The black line in the drawing represents the belt, and I've indicated where the belt touches itself under the record basket even though the drawing doesn't reflect it. Having never done this before on a Rock-Ola, I'm not at all sure if I'm putting unwanted tension on the bottom of the metal rods that support the belt or on the basket and motor. Thanks! Heading back out into the snow!!! http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/ami/belt.jpg Aaron -- Aaron Heverin From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 10 11:34:04 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 10 11:37:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 record basket belt Message-ID: <20091210.143404.1448.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Aaron: Per your drawing you do have the belt threaded correctly. The belt slack at the bottom of the ferris wheel will go away as you install records in the slots that will push the belt outward. I wouldn't adjust the position of the belt tensioner by much until you try this. The belt's job is to keep records from following out of the slots when near the bottom of rotation. If you don't want to fill the record basket at this time, I'd install at least 8 or 10 discs equally spaced. If you are concerned about too much drag on the record carrier motor,loosen the four motor mount bolts and disengage the drive gear so that you can spin the basket by hand. While there is some load resistance it shouldn't be very much. The real test will be when the record basket is fully loaded with the weight of all the records. The basket and belt should turn freely, without a lot of drag or binding. At this point you should re engage the basket motor. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=rEptZapOdHerF9HtmnEG_AAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Dec 10 11:51:24 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Thu Dec 10 11:53:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 record basket belt In-Reply-To: <20091210.143404.1448.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091210.143404.1448.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim. I probably should have put more details into my original email. Ah... the problems of thinking about jukeboxes while at work. The basket is fully loaded with records and there isn't any slack whatsoever. However, the belt doesn't seem so tight that it's danger of snapping and it doesn't appear to be pulling any of the individual record slots into each other when the basket it in direct contact with the belt at the bottom of it's rotation. The belt is also resting dead center of the basket...in the space between each slot as it should. It's not off center in any way, nor does it move around while the basket is rotating. When I fired the jukebox up for the first time, I can honestly say that the operation of rotating the basket seemed more fluid and was much quieter than it was with the old belt in place. Again, I'm just concerned about the belt touching itself at the bottom of the basket since there doesn't appear to be any way to lessen the tension on the belt beyond what I've already done. Aaron On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Aaron: > > Per your drawing you do have the belt threaded correctly. The belt slack > at the bottom of the ferris wheel will go away as you install records in the > slots that will push the belt outward. I wouldn't adjust the position of the > belt tensioner by much until you try this. The belt's job is to keep > records from following out of the slots when near the bottom of rotation. > If you don't want to fill the record basket at this time, I'd install at > least 8 or 10 discs equally spaced. > > If you are concerned about too much drag on the record carrier motor,loosen > the four motor mount bolts and disengage the drive gear so that you can spin > the basket by hand. While there is some load resistance it shouldn't be very > much. The real test will be when the record basket is fully loaded with the > weight of all the records. The basket and belt should turn freely, without > a lot of drag or binding. > At this point you should re engage the basket motor. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Banking > Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=rEptZapOdHerF9HtmnEG_AAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 10 12:15:32 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 10 12:18:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 record basket belt Message-ID: <20091210.151532.17933.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Aaron: I'm having difficulty comprehending your concern. If you say there is slack at the bottom of the ferris wheel, where the belt "touches itself" wouldn't you want to increase the belt tension so that this doesn't happen? I caught your note where you say this is happening with records in the basket. Normally, there's not much "adjustability" in setting the belt tension, unless you bend the lower pulley arms. Is there a possibility that you ordered the wrong belt? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Military Loans Find loans exclusively for members of our military. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=skZ71_3OTf0mj5njTpPl8wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAmiAAAAAA= From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Dec 10 12:28:57 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Thu Dec 10 12:30:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 record basket belt In-Reply-To: <20091210.151532.17933.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091210.151532.17933.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Jim, I ordered the belt from VG and specifically asked for a belt for the 1468/1475 RO Tempo. I don't honestly know if I have the wrong belt or not because the belt I received was in a small zip-lock bag. I'm saying that now that the belt is mounted on the support brackets and is winding around the pulleys and the record basket, there is NO slack in the belt in the area immediately under the basket. The belt is touching itself. I'm wondering if this is a concern. I can't bend the lower pulley arms back as this will create MORE tension. I supposed I can bend the arms more toward the basket to try and increase the slack, but I don't know if I should do that. My drawing did not show the fact that the belt was touching so that's why I pointed out to ignore that fact. I just wanted the drawing to give an image of what I was trying to describe in my email. Aaron On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Aaron: > > I'm having difficulty comprehending your concern. If you say there is > slack at the bottom of the ferris wheel, where the belt "touches itself" > wouldn't you want to increase the belt tension so that this doesn't happen? > I caught your note where you say this is happening with records in the > basket. > > Normally, there's not much "adjustability" in setting the belt tension, > unless you bend the lower pulley arms. Is there a possibility that you > ordered the wrong belt? > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Military Loans > Find loans exclusively for members of our military. Click now! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=skZ71_3OTf0mj5njTpPl8wAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAmiAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 10 12:41:49 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 10 12:45:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 record basket belt Message-ID: <20091210.154149.17933.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Aaron: RE: more correspondence regarding record basket belt. Your question drove me to look up this info. First, there is only one belt length/size. I originally thought the 200 play juke took a different belt than the 120 play model. I am wrong. They both use part number # 35048. The 1475 is a 200-play machine, right? The RO service manual (I have an AMR repro manual for the Regis models) does not devote any space or time to the basket belt, but on pgs 72-73 in the parts section there is a good exploded diagram that shows the installed belt. By adjusting the left & right pulleys in their mounting brackets (item 1, Pg 72 if 120-play machine.) (Item 14 and 22,Pg 73 if 200-play machine) it is possible to take up or add slack to the belt . The manual gives no advice as how to guage the belt tension. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Unsecured Loan Get an Unsecured Loan - Fast and Low Cost. 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The tone arm had a playback head and there was a groove in the surface of the record that the tone arm followed (with the head tracking the area between the grooves. Those were to be used for station IDs, commercials, etc. I have seen no indication that they actually installed these anywhere, however. From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Dec 10 12:49:30 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Thu Dec 10 12:51:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 record basket belt In-Reply-To: <20091210.154149.17933.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091210.154149.17933.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I saw that adjustment, Jim and that's the one I followed. I'm pretty sure I adjusted the tension pulleys as low as they will go but I'll double-check it when I get home to know for sure. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:41 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Aaron: > > > RE: more correspondence regarding record basket belt. > > Your question drove me to look up this info. First, there is only one > belt length/size. I originally thought the 200 play juke took a different > belt than the 120 play model. I am wrong. They both use part number # > 35048. The 1475 is a 200-play machine, right? > > The RO service manual (I have an AMR repro manual for the Regis models) > does not devote any space or time to the basket belt, but on pgs 72-73 in > the parts section there is a good exploded diagram that shows the installed > belt. > > By adjusting the left & right pulleys in their mounting brackets (item 1, > Pg 72 if 120-play machine.) (Item 14 and 22,Pg 73 if 200-play machine) it > is possible to take up or add slack to the belt . The manual gives no > advice as how to guage the belt tension. > > Hope this helps, > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Unsecured Loan > Get an Unsecured Loan - Fast and Low Cost. Click here! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=pPjEqE2UFa2RfRPDIeB8uwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQZwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 10 13:07:30 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 10 13:10:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 record basket belt Message-ID: <20091210.160730.17933.2@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Aaron: I can add a final thought to this: The last RO juke like this I worked on was an RO 1495, a 200-play Regis model, where the changer is the same as the Tempo II. With a new belt installed in the pulleys and records in the basket, the belt was very taut, but spun freely in it's pulleys.As records came in contact with the belt, they were not being pulled or pushed to the middle of the basket wheel,which to me would indicate an over-tense belt. In this machine the original fabric-composite belt dried out and split due to age. I didn't change either the left or right tension adjusters after installing the new belt. I did clean and lube the nylon pulleys. This setup passed my basket "hand-spin" test (described earlier today). The basket had no more drag operating the new belt in place than it did with the broken belt. Adding the weight of 100 records in the basket made it a little harder to spin,but the motor handles it without lugging down. 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From bobe at halted.com Thu Dec 10 15:10:21 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Thu Dec 10 15:29:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway Message-ID: <2.2.32.20091210231021.009af510@hsces.com> At 12:47 PM 12/10/2009 -0800, you wrote: >-- On Thu, 12/10/09, James Alexander wrote: > >> ? This was one of the more unusual applications for a >> jukebox mech. that I've run across. > >Probably *the* most unusual application of a jukebox >mechanism was the modified AMI 200 selection mechanism >that RCA modified to be used as a radio station >automation unit. They had two types: A regular 45 >mechanism, and a mechanism that used magnetic disks >that could be recorded like a tape. The tone arm >had a playback head and there was a groove in the >surface of the record that the tone arm followed >(with the head tracking the area between the grooves. >Those were to be used for station IDs, commercials, >etc. I have seen no indication that they actually >installed these anywhere, however. I would still like to find a couple of the "records" that were used in the Seeburg that was supposedly used as a train station (or was it bus?) platform annunciator. Anyone ever seen any? --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 10 15:31:54 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Thu Dec 10 15:33:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 record basket belt References: Message-ID: You indeed have too much tension on the belt, which pulls the lower rollers in and up towards the basket. If you loosen the belt, the lower rollers will spread out and down, giving you about a 3/8 inch gap at the bottom. If you look closely, there is a second (lower) screw hole for attaching the upper rollers (at least on the Regis there is). If it is not there, drill and tap your own. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron H" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:32 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 record basket belt > Season's greetings one and all! Just got finished replacing the rubber > belt > that runs around the record basket in my RO 1475 Tempo since the old one > had > pretty much come close to disintegrating. While it wasn't the easiest > thing > in the world to get the new one on - with removing the brackets that hold > it > in place and cleaning off each of the plastic pulleys - the new belt has > got > me thinking that something may be amiss once I got it installed. I realize > the the new belt is going to have a ton more tension than the old one had, > but on either side of the belt support brackets, the top pulley > (tensioner) > is set as low as it can possibly go simply because I'm afraid of putting > too > much drag on the motor. But also, the way the belt loops around the basket > has it touching itself at the very bottom of the basket. > > I hope I'm explaining it in a way that can be understood. Better yet, > here's > a URL to a very crude image I drew so everyone can better understand what > I'm asking. The black line in the drawing represents the belt, and I've > indicated where the belt touches itself under the record basket even > though > the drawing doesn't reflect it. Having never done this before on a > Rock-Ola, > I'm not at all sure if I'm putting unwanted tension on the bottom of the > metal rods that support the belt or on the basket and motor. > > Thanks! Heading back out into the snow!!! > > http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/ami/belt.jpg > > Aaron > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.102/2556 - Release Date: 12/10/09 02:36:00 From joe400f at shaw.ca Thu Dec 10 16:40:06 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Thu Dec 10 16:41:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Walbox 1554 1555 keys References: <002701ca787f$717f2c60$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: <002201ca79fa$7c417550$48944e18@compaq> Thanks Berry. I will have a look at it when it arrives and try all my keys. What's that Google saying? " Feeling Lucky " ? Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berry Bell" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Walbox 1554 1555 keys > Joey, > > I have a 1555 and it also does not have the lock # on it, that's the way > the > 1555's came. However, I found that my Seeburg V 200 cabinet key fit the > lock and opened it! I suggest you try all your Seeburg cabinet, coin box > door keys in the lock, you may get lucky. > > I have had 2 1555's and both were original, with original locks/hardware > and > neither showed a number on the lock cylinder. By the way, the Seeburg V > cabinet key (F314) only opened one of my 1555's, so they are not keyed > alike. > > Good luck, > Berry Bell > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Joey McDonald wrote: > >> I am looking at buying a Rockola 1555 wallbox but it doesn't have a key. >> There is also no >> markings on the lock cylinder. I have other wallboxes that do. Seeburg >> 3W1 >> , AMI W80 etc. >> >> Is it common for these to have no markings? Maybe the lock cylinder is >> not original? >> >> If someone on the list has one, can they check the lock and key for me? >> >> If this is like my other wallboxes, then there is many different codes >> but, >> they all have marking on the lock. >> >> Joey McDonald. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pat2355 at aol.com Thu Dec 10 17:07:20 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 10 17:09:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New toy Wurlitzer 5123 speaker In-Reply-To: <002201ca79fa$7c417550$48944e18@compaq> References: <002701ca787f$717f2c60$48944e18@compaq> <002201ca79fa$7c417550$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: <8CC48156C79BA74-3908-62A6@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> Just brought home another toy. Locally a guy had a 5123 Wurlitzer speaker for $20. I couldn't pass it up. It was in wonderful condition. In fact it was new in the original box. How could it have cost any less new ? Which brings me to my question.Does anyone remember what any of today's desirable jukes cost new ?What any accessories cost?? Thanks ex Postman Pat From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 10 17:20:17 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 10 17:23:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] deoxit d5 Message-ID: <20091210.202017.22184.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Mr Graves: I haven't heard from you in a long time. How are you doing? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=DPY2xu-esLHkQYlLZm5i0AAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From berrycbell at gmail.com Thu Dec 10 18:21:48 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Thu Dec 10 18:23:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Walbox 1554 1555 keys In-Reply-To: <002201ca79fa$7c417550$48944e18@compaq> References: <002701ca787f$717f2c60$48944e18@compaq> <002201ca79fa$7c417550$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: Joey, I was shocked that my key worked. I am 100% confident that the Illinois lock that was in my Rockola 1555 was an original lock, it just so happened to be keyed, same as my V 200 cabinet lock. I tried all my Illinois keys & they all fit in the lock, but only the V worked.. Good luck! Berry On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Joey McDonald wrote: > Thanks Berry. > > I will have a look at it when it arrives and try all my keys. > What's that Google saying? " Feeling Lucky " ? > > Joey McDonald > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berry Bell" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Walbox 1554 1555 keys > > > > Joey, >> >> I have a 1555 and it also does not have the lock # on it, that's the way >> the >> 1555's came. However, I found that my Seeburg V 200 cabinet key fit the >> lock and opened it! I suggest you try all your Seeburg cabinet, coin box >> door keys in the lock, you may get lucky. >> >> I have had 2 1555's and both were original, with original locks/hardware >> and >> neither showed a number on the lock cylinder. By the way, the Seeburg V >> cabinet key (F314) only opened one of my 1555's, so they are not keyed >> alike. >> >> Good luck, >> Berry Bell >> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Joey McDonald wrote: >> >> I am looking at buying a Rockola 1555 wallbox but it doesn't have a key. >>> There is also no >>> markings on the lock cylinder. I have other wallboxes that do. Seeburg >>> 3W1 >>> , AMI W80 etc. >>> >>> Is it common for these to have no markings? Maybe the lock cylinder is >>> not original? >>> >>> If someone on the list has one, can they check the lock and key for me? >>> >>> If this is like my other wallboxes, then there is many different codes >>> but, >>> they all have marking on the lock. >>> >>> Joey McDonald. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 10 19:25:17 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 10 19:29:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway Message-ID: <20091210.222517.5943.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Bob & Dave: RE: unusual jukebox applications I was asked by an carnival rides owner to help solve some logistics problems he was having concerning the sound systems for one of his top-ticket ride attractions. This was circa 1968, and he had a new large ride called "The Himalaya". This was a feature attraction that was part of a amusement ride package that set up at shopping centers, church and school events, fairs, etc. An important element of this ride,that appealed to teenaged riders, was to have a high-energy concert level rock n roll soundtrack and a light show. The light effects were manually run by the ride operator. Bear in mind this was way before the advent of today's computer-controlled systems that immerse riders in an audio-video environment. The ride manufacturer included a large high performance sound system package as part of the equipment, built with Altec pro-quality amplifiers and speaker components. The audio electronics were all packaged in a shock-mounted rack that was parked in the ride operator's booth. The music source were 2 drawer mounted record changers (Dual or Garrard, I think) The ride operator was expected to be a DJ, programming stacks of 45 RPM singles and using his mike to talk to the riders,while manning the ride. In reality, this didn't work out too well. The vibrations of the running ride shook the equipment rack, causing lots of needle skip, scratched records,broken stylii, lots of dirt and dust,blown woofers and a cheesy-quality production. Manning the records, sound and lights took too much attention away from the ride operator, requiring them to put a second person in the crowded booth to act as a DJ. Another negative was that the ride guys tended to play only the records they liked, not necessarily what the customers preferred to hear. Temporarily, a big capacity 8 track tape changer was tried----the sound quality was noticeably worse, and the consensus was that hit singles were preferred instead of playing entire 8T albums. The ride crew needed to be able to frequently buy new music while out on the road, so this ruled out using better-suited playback formats (i.e reel-to-reel tape) that weren't universally available. Records were readily available and sounded good. For a trial, we set up an old Seeburg M100 hideaway juke system (the ride co. had a big collection of good 45's) in a locked sealed cabinet (keep out dirt, dust, and prying hands) located away from the ride booth. A few of the owners' designated people had keys/access to the cabinet. They could make a determination whether to have the machine continously repeat a chosen group of records, or to allow the ride operator to call the program. The record rack in the juke was divided among rock,pop country and soul hits. Since the player was remotely located, this solved the record-tracking and sound issues. The ride guys were now limited to the song choices placed on the Seeburg--no more 15 minute Iron Butterfly drum solos. The ride operator (back to 1 person) now just had to tend to his lighting controls , his audio mixer and mike. For programming the machine, the interior of an old 3-w1 wallbox was installed inside the hideaway cabinet, along with a cancel-disable switch. This way a group of songs could be selected, and they would repeat in sequence until stopped. The ride operator was given a "portable" plug-in fully--equipped 3W1,with titlestrips,always in select mode. This way,he could be in control of the music choices. The cancel function would be switched to normal. He'd punch in song selections on a one by one basis,knowing what would play next. In general, they left the system in a repeat-play mode during the day, when families and kids tended to be in the park, and the music was a background element. At night, with a mostly teenage audience ,the ride ops picked the songs to match the mood. The volume levels were jacked way up. Clean high powered sound systems could help draw a crowd, I guess. In the midwest, these systems spun a lot of Steppenwolf, Rolling Stones, Beatles, Elvis,Chuck Berry, Grass Roots,Grand Funk, Sly & the Fam. Stone and Motown tunes. In the south, Freddy Weller, Joe South,Johnny Cash and Waylon Jennings got played a lot. During family time in the afternoon, music came from artists like Bobby Sherman, Paul Revere, the Archies and the 1910 Fruitgum Co. ---they had the music programming down to a fine art. This setup worked out successfully and got used for several years. The ride owner had 2 Himalayas traveling in different routes. We built 3 Seeburg hideaway units for him---one to stay with each ride and a third as a backup. The juke mechanisms were packaged into special cabinets that would allow for easier carrying/transport. In the travel mode, the mech could be safely supported, and the cases would fit into a special truck pack. All wiring was connectorized to allow for easy set-up and teardown. To get the best possible mono sound, the old tone arms on the 50's mechanisms were replaced with current generation stereo tone arms using the "T" needles. I've been asked why we didn't build these systems using new equipment. I think Seeburg's current jukebox at the time was an LS-1, a 160-play solid state stereo tormat-controlled juke. The 160 play mech was too wide to fit the truck pack dimensions we had to work with. It would have been difficult to get the modified play setup the ride operator wanted for his "remote control record player" as he called it. Last, traveling carnivals carry and supply their own generator power. Electricity from a utility was not readiuly available. The generators they used produced spikes, deviations from 60 Hz etc. Early transistor designs didn't tolerate much of this treatment. If a tormat system failed, their music would be out. The M100 Seeburgs, vacuum-tube audio gear and Voice of the Theatre speaker systems held up very well despite this rough-and-tumble environment. Howzz'at for a story? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Home Mortgage Click to compare mortgage rates. No obligation, quick and easy. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=e5NvfIM7vkERn0i_uNb4iQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQcwAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 10 20:14:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 10 20:16:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20091210231021.009af510@hsces.com> Message-ID: <685121.2875.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, Sure--have seen/installed/repaired, many--all in Grayhound stations throughout N.CA--records were made in Chicago, if I remember right--? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Bob Ellingson wrote: From: Bob Ellingson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 3:10 PM At 12:47 PM 12/10/2009 -0800, you wrote: >-- On Thu, 12/10/09, James Alexander wrote: > >> ? This was one of the more unusual applications for a >> jukebox mech. that I've run across. > >Probably *the* most unusual application of a jukebox >mechanism was the modified AMI 200 selection mechanism >that RCA modified to be used as a radio station >automation unit.? They had two types: A regular 45 >mechanism, and a mechanism that used magnetic disks >that could be recorded like a tape.? The tone arm >had a playback head and there was a groove in the >surface of the record that the tone arm followed >(with the head tracking the area between the grooves. >Those were to be used for station IDs, commercials, >etc.? I have seen no indication that they actually >installed these anywhere, however. I would still like to find a couple of the "records" that were used in the Seeburg that was supposedly used as a train station (or was it bus?) platform annunciator.? Anyone ever seen any? --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson??? ??? ??? ??? ??? bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc.??? ??? ??? http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St.??? ??? ??? ??? ??? (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051? USA??? ??? ??? (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 10 20:35:23 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 10 20:38:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway Message-ID: <20091210.233523.7512.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Ron: Are you saying that departure and arrival announcements for Greyhound buses were recorded onto records and played on a Seeburg jukebox mechanism in their terminals? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=zB96LBmQ4bxQcxYAyaFCzgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 10 20:41:38 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 10 20:43:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway In-Reply-To: <20091210.233523.7512.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <764880.81974.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yezzer !! Used Seeburgs all the way up to the FC-2 model--(least that's the last I knew of it) --- On Thu, 12/10/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 8:35 PM Ron: Are you saying that departure and arrival announcements for Greyhound buses were recorded onto records and played on a Seeburg jukebox mechanism in their terminals? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=zB96LBmQ4bxQcxYAyaFCzgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 10 20:50:04 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 10 20:53:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New toy Wurlitzer 5123 speaker Message-ID: <20091210.235004.7512.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Pat: To answer your question, the MSRP for a new Wurlitzer 1015 OMT vinyl is approx. $7800 in the US. The 1015 OMT-CD costs a little less. There are several value-added cabinet finishes & electronic accessories that can add $300-500 to the juke price. Wurlitzer's new 2100 costs about $10,000 at list and so does their Peacock CD. It's my understanding that one of the new Rowe floor standing downloading jukes costs about $5500. and the wall mount models cost less. The last known sell price for a new modern-design floorstanding Rowe CD juke was about $7000. I think these have been discontinued. Rowe's CD 1015-look alike costs more than that. If someone shops aggressively, most distribs will cut these prices by 10-20% Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Unsecured Loan Save hundreds on an Unsecured Loan - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=1FmhDZcVDjEgAwDCIEduZAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQZwAAAAA= From jhayes2613 at aol.com Thu Dec 10 20:59:56 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 10 21:01:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The irritating Seeburg SS-160 Message-ID: <8CC4835EB2CE567-596C-118EC@webmail-m082.sysops.aol.com> Hi, all- Hadn't cranked up the Seeburg in awhile... it has developed two problems since the last time I fired her up. Problem 1: The needle has developed a "drag" on the b side of the record when ejecting... it will set back down an a few bars of the end of the record before putting the disc back into the rack. Then came Problem 2: a selection is made, the mech scans and won't pick up anything. Guess I need to address problem 2 first, huh? Suggestions...? Thanks in advance- j From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 10 23:51:31 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 10 23:55:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Message-ID: <20091211.025131.7201.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Hello Nigel: I would imagine that a key to doing this is the age of the jukebox. In the US, most 60's and early 70's era jukes were outfitted to play either the 45 or 33 1/3 RPM 7" records. The size of the record-center hole triggered the speed change function. Most jukes kept 45 RPM as the "native" speed except for 4 Seeburg models (1963 thru 66) that used 33 as the native speed, stepping up to 45 when a large hole record got detected. By the mid 70's here, use of the 33 "mini-LP's" dwindled, and the juke makers went back to 45-only operation. I haven't seen many small-hole 45's here. Occasionally you will see the UK-European version of a 45 RPM single here,where some one brought it into the country. Apparently the US jukebox makers were not offering an UK-export version of their machines to accomodate small-hole 45's Seeburg retained use of 2 speed record changers, but went back to using 45 RPM as the native speed in 1967. To play undinked records in most of these models, simple modifications to disable the 33 RPM speed trigger will give you what you're looking for. In US-Wurlitzer carousel jukes, model 2600 thru 3300 behind the turntable unplug the small #12 2 pin light bulb. Save it for reinstallation if you want to reactivate the 33 RPM speed function. In US Wurlitzer Wurlamatic jukes, models 3400-3800,7500 and 1050. Disconnect solenoid that relocates idler wheel to 33 RPM motor shaft step. Remake connection to restore 45/33 RPM intermix. we've already discussed RockOla jukes, outfitted with the mech o matic function. Later model RO's have a fixed position large hole spindle that can't be changed. Model 480 going forward. Not sure of how 2 speed Rowe machines can be disabled. There's probably a simple way to do it. In Seeburg LPC-1 thru "Fleetwood" model (1963 thru 66, native 33 speed) misadjust switch contact next to the record clamper, then jumper the contacts closed. Mech will then switch to 45 RPM regardless of record hole size. Undo the modification to restore 2 speed operation. Not sure of how to defeat the speed trigger in Rowe jukeboxes. There's probably a simple way to do this. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Home Mortgage Click to compare mortgage rates. No obligation, quick and easy. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xRFXykwbGo6Mcuwrv0RYqAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQcwAAAAA= From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Fri Dec 11 00:27:54 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Fri Dec 11 00:29:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie In-Reply-To: <20091211.025131.7201.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091211.025131.7201.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8593189190e7a29c8b3c0ec7bc82e56e.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Hi Jim, The Rowe's are probably the most simple of all. Right at the front of the mechanism under the turntable is the speed change switch. It is a sensitive pressure microswitch operated by a sensor rod that runs through the centre of the turntable shaft. All you need to do is unplug one of the spade connectors off this switch and it's done. The only issue I find in the UK, when people ask me to do this, is that usually most of this kit has been removed, and the turntable spindle permanently jacked up with washers so it will never drop down to play the small spindle. I have had my own personal Rowe JBL Tropicana since the mid 80s and played both at 45 since then, and the system works 100% perfect. Later Rowes changed the turntable to a plastic spindle so are impossible to convert. This happened around 1977/8 - same time as Rock Ola did exactly the same thing when they introduced the 477 Max. Regards Nigel > Hello Nigel: > > I would imagine that a key to doing this is the age of the jukebox. In > the US, most 60's and early 70's era jukes were outfitted to play either > the 45 or 33 1/3 RPM 7" records. The size of the record-center hole > triggered the speed change function. Most jukes kept 45 RPM as the > "native" speed except for 4 Seeburg models (1963 thru 66) that used 33 as > the native speed, stepping up to 45 when a large hole record got detected. > By the mid 70's here, use of the 33 "mini-LP's" dwindled, and the juke > makers went back to 45-only operation. I haven't seen many small-hole > 45's here. Occasionally you will see the UK-European version of a 45 RPM > single here,where some one brought it into the country. Apparently the US > jukebox makers were not offering an UK-export version of their machines to > accomodate small-hole 45's > > Seeburg retained use of 2 speed record changers, but went back to using 45 > RPM as the native speed in 1967. > > To play undinked records in most of these models, simple modifications to > disable the 33 RPM speed trigger will give you what you're looking for. > > In US-Wurlitzer carousel jukes, model 2600 thru 3300 behind the turntable > unplug the small #12 2 pin light bulb. Save it for reinstallation if you > want to reactivate the 33 RPM speed function. > > In US Wurlitzer Wurlamatic jukes, models 3400-3800,7500 and 1050. > Disconnect solenoid that relocates idler wheel to 33 RPM motor shaft step. > Remake connection to restore 45/33 RPM intermix. > > we've already discussed RockOla jukes, outfitted with the mech o matic > function. Later model RO's have a fixed position large hole spindle > that can't be changed. Model 480 going forward. > > Not sure of how 2 speed Rowe machines can be disabled. There's probably a > simple way to do it. > > In Seeburg LPC-1 thru "Fleetwood" model (1963 thru 66, native 33 speed) > misadjust switch contact next to the record clamper, then jumper the > contacts closed. Mech will then switch to 45 RPM regardless of record > hole size. > Undo the modification to restore 2 speed operation. > > Not sure of how to defeat the speed trigger in Rowe jukeboxes. There's > probably a simple way to do this. > > Hope this helps, > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Home Mortgage > Click to compare mortgage rates. No obligation, quick and easy. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xRFXykwbGo6Mcuwrv0RYqAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQcwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 11 04:35:00 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Fri Dec 11 04:36:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway In-Reply-To: <20091210.222517.5943.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <479021.14310.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim, Great story! My wife and I were just married in those days of the Himalaya. We rode it a few times at the Arizona State Fair. We used to talk about "Where did they get that great music and how did it sound so good"? I guess we now know. I better get out the old Lawrence Welk records for the neighborhood we live in these days. Thanks for a most memorable jukebox story! DAvid (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Thu, 12/10/09, James Alexander wrote: > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 8:25 PM > > > Bob & Dave: > > RE: unusual jukebox applications > > I was asked by an carnival rides owner to help solve some > logistics problems he was having concerning the sound > systems for one of his top-ticket ride attractions.? > This was circa 1968, and he had a new large ride called "The > Himalaya".? This was a feature attraction that was part > of a amusement ride package that set up at shopping centers, > church and school events, fairs, etc. > > An important element of this ride,that appealed to teenaged > riders, was to have a high-energy concert level rock n roll > soundtrack and a light show. The light effects were manually > run by the ride operator.? ? Bear in mind this was > way before the advent of today's computer-controlled systems > that immerse riders in an audio-video environment. > > The ride manufacturer included a large high performance > sound system package as part of the equipment, built with > Altec pro-quality amplifiers and speaker components. The > audio electronics were all packaged in a shock-mounted rack > that was parked in the ride operator's booth.? The > music source were 2 drawer mounted record changers (Dual or > Garrard, I think)???The ride operator was > expected to be a DJ, programming stacks of 45 RPM singles > and using his mike to talk to the riders,while manning the > ride. > > In reality, this didn't work out too well.? The > vibrations of the running ride shook the equipment rack, > causing lots of needle skip, scratched records,broken > stylii, lots of dirt and dust,blown woofers and a > cheesy-quality production.???Manning the > records, sound and lights took too much attention away from > the ride operator, requiring them to put a second person in > the crowded booth to act as a DJ.???Another > negative was that the ride guys tended to play only the > records they liked, not necessarily what the customers > preferred to hear.? ? Temporarily, a big capacity > 8 track tape changer was tried----the sound quality was > noticeably worse, and the consensus was that hit singles > were preferred instead of playing entire 8T albums.? > ? The ride crew needed to be able to frequently buy new > music while out on the road, so this ruled out using > better-suited playback formats (i.e reel-to-reel tape) that > weren't universally available. Records were readily > available and sounded good. > > For a trial, we set up an old Seeburg M100 hideaway juke > system (the ride co. had a big collection of good 45's) in a > locked sealed cabinet? (keep out dirt, dust, and prying > hands) located away from the ride booth.? A few of the > owners'? designated people had keys/access to the > cabinet. They could make a determination whether to have the > machine continously repeat a chosen group of records, or to > allow the ride operator to call the > program.???The record rack in the juke was > divided among rock,pop country and soul hits. Since the > player was remotely located, this solved the record-tracking > and sound issues.? The ride guys were now limited to > the song choices placed on the Seeburg--no more 15 minute > Iron Butterfly drum solos.? The ride operator (back to > 1 person) now just had to tend to his lighting controls , > his audio mixer and mike. > > ? For programming the machine, the interior of an old > 3-w1 wallbox was installed inside the hideaway cabinet, > along with a cancel-disable switch.? This way a group > of songs could be selected, and they would repeat in > sequence until stopped.? ???The ride > operator was given a "portable" plug-in fully--equipped > 3W1,with titlestrips,always in select mode. This way,he > could be in control of the music choices.? The cancel > function would be switched to normal.? He'd punch > in? song selections on a one by one basis,knowing what > would play next.? > In general, they left the system in a repeat-play mode > during the day, when families and kids tended to be in the > park, and the music was a background element.? At > night, with a mostly teenage audience ,the ride ops picked > the songs to match the mood. The volume levels were jacked > way up.? Clean high powered sound systems could help > draw a crowd, I guess. > In the midwest, these systems spun a lot of Steppenwolf, > Rolling Stones, Beatles, Elvis,Chuck Berry, Grass > Roots,Grand Funk, Sly & the Fam. Stone and Motown tunes. > In the south, Freddy Weller, Joe South,Johnny Cash and > Waylon Jennings got played a lot.? ? During family > time in the afternoon, music came from artists like Bobby > Sherman, Paul Revere, the Archies and the 1910 Fruitgum > Co.? ---they had the music programming down to a fine > art.? > > This setup worked out successfully and got used for several > years. The ride owner had 2 Himalayas traveling in different > routes.? We built 3 Seeburg hideaway units for > him---one to stay with each ride and a third as a > backup.???The juke mechanisms were packaged > into special cabinets that would allow for easier > carrying/transport. In the travel mode, the mech could be > safely supported, and the cases would fit into a special > truck pack. > All wiring was connectorized to allow for easy set-up and > teardown. To get the best possible mono sound, the old tone > arms on the 50's mechanisms were replaced with current > generation stereo tone arms using the "T" > needles.??? > I've been asked why we didn't build these systems using new > equipment.???I think Seeburg's current > jukebox at the time was an LS-1, a 160-play solid state > stereo tormat-controlled juke.???The 160 play > mech was too wide to fit the truck pack dimensions we had to > work with.? It would have been difficult to get the > modified play setup the ride operator wanted for his "remote > control record player" as he called it.? Last, > traveling carnivals carry and supply their own generator > power.? Electricity from a utility was not readiuly > available.? The generators they used produced spikes, > deviations from 60 Hz etc.? Early transistor designs > didn't tolerate much of this treatment. If a tormat system > failed, their music would be out. > The M100 Seeburgs,? vacuum-tube audio gear and Voice > of the Theatre speaker systems held up very well despite > this rough-and-tumble environment.? > > Howzz'at for a story? > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Home Mortgage > Click to compare mortgage rates.? No obligation, quick > and easy. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=e5NvfIM7vkERn0i_uNb4iQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQcwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 11 09:04:24 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 11 09:07:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway Message-ID: <20091211.120424.4417.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> David: The questions you brought up about your 100B hideaway unit reminded me of this audio project from the later 60's. Apparently part of the experience of riding the Himalaya was the concept of keeping the music "in the moment", to blend with the conditions and the crowd. This is the illusion that any well equipped DJ brings to a party or nightclub where he's working. The carnival owner that hired my service worked in the midwest US, in the Michigan-Ohio-Illinois areas. There the Himalaya seemed to attract mostly high school age teenagers. This is probably why the hard-rock soundtrack was a part of it. I'm not sure if this ride operator took his amusements to the southwest US or not. This was my first experience working with the amusement ride business. The German manufacturer of the Himalaya ride provided everything to the buyer of one of their rides, including 4 fully outfitted semi-trailers to transport the disassembled ride. Everything fit together as building blocks. The Seeburg unit, as an add-on, had to be made to fit the truck pack. It had to be built like a Mack truck, to a lot of knocking around and working in tough environments. When it was up and operating, the jukebox unit was not on the platform with the ride, it was usually 100-200 ft away in a "clean" trailer or tent, run by wired remote controls. The juke's built-to-order upright cabinet held the M100 mech, it's selection receiver, a wallbox, a Seeburg Library unit 200LU preamp, a small 5 watt amp with a monitor speaker, and a transformer isolated line-drive amp, which allowed hookup of long audio lines. The audio amps that drove the Himalaya speakers were located in the ride control booth. The cabinet also had two air-filtered fans in it to keep things cool. The 25 watt Seeburg amp was removed because it wasn't needed and added weight. For the ride operator, a 3W1 wallbox that could be plugged in was mounted in a deep suitcase. This wallbox was in the ride control booth when in use. I asked the carnival owner if he ever discussed withother Himalaya owners how they dealt with the music playback issue. He indicated that this was a problem area for others as well. Operators of Himalayas that were permanently installed at amusement parks, tended to build out and use the DJ-spinning-records approach, where rides that were portable and toured tended to do away with the records, settling for a long-play tape player of some kind. Supposedly there were about 100 Himalaya rides in use around the US and Canada. He did refer me to one other operator in Pennsylvania that liked the "remote control record player" setup. We built two of these for him. In the later 60's ,many of the Seeburg M100 jukebox hideaway systems were being phased out,making plenty of discarded units available. ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=2Nw3dYvOn4YyAbLNHD1sKwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 11 09:06:24 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 11 09:08:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie In-Reply-To: <20091211.025131.7201.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <815535.67672.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, FYI--Dual speed Rowe's can be dis-enabled simply by un-plugging the "shift solenoid" from the Mech control PCB--? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/10/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 11:51 PM ? Hello Nigel: I would imagine that a key to doing this is the age of the jukebox.???In the US, most 60's and early 70's era jukes were outfitted to play either the 45 or 33 1/3 RPM 7" records.???The size of the record-center hole triggered the speed change function.? Most jukes kept 45 RPM as the "native" speed except for 4 Seeburg models? (1963 thru 66) that used 33 as the native speed, stepping up to 45 when a large hole record got detected.? By the mid 70's here, use of the 33 "mini-LP's" dwindled, and the juke makers went back to 45-only operation.? ? I haven't seen many small-hole 45's here.? Occasionally you will see the UK-European version of a 45 RPM single here,where some one brought it into the country.? Apparently the US jukebox makers were not offering an UK-export version of their machines to accomodate small-hole 45's Seeburg retained use of 2 speed record changers, but went back to using 45 RPM as the native speed in 1967.? To play undinked records in most of these models, simple modifications to disable the 33 RPM speed trigger will give you what you're looking for. In US-Wurlitzer carousel jukes, model 2600 thru 3300 behind the turntable unplug the small #12 2 pin light bulb. Save it for reinstallation if you want to reactivate the 33 RPM speed function. In US Wurlitzer Wurlamatic jukes, models 3400-3800,7500 and 1050.???Disconnect solenoid that relocates idler wheel to 33 RPM motor shaft step.? ???Remake connection to restore 45/33 RPM intermix. we've already discussed RockOla jukes, outfitted with the mech o matic function.? ? Later model RO's have a fixed position large hole spindle that can't be changed.???Model 480 going forward. Not sure of how 2 speed Rowe machines can be disabled.? There's probably a simple way to do it. In Seeburg LPC-1 thru "Fleetwood" model? (1963 thru 66, native 33 speed)???misadjust switch contact next to the record clamper, then jumper the contacts closed.???Mech will then switch to 45 RPM regardless of record hole size. Undo the modification to restore 2 speed operation. Not sure of how to defeat the speed trigger in Rowe jukeboxes.? There's probably a simple way to do this. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Home Mortgage Click to compare mortgage rates.? No obligation, quick and easy. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xRFXykwbGo6Mcuwrv0RYqAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQcwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 11 09:56:58 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 11 10:01:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The irritating Seeburg SS-160 Message-ID: <20091211.125658.28821.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Hello John: You weren't very specific about your selection problem. If you write in a selection, does the mechanism scan the rack twice and then stop? Your SS-160 is equipped with a tormat selection system. If you open the front speaker doors, in the base of your jukebox there is a transistorized "tormat control center" chassis. It should be a pink color. Something to do would be to check for blown fuses (I think there are fusecaps on the chassis and inside the chassis on this model.) Replace fuses only with the correct "amps" value, nothing larger. I remember (about a year ago) discussing with you a tormat electronics problem for an early 60's Seeburg (An AY or DS model?) The tormat electronics in your SS-160 are less cumbersome and easier to troubleshoot. There are some simple tests with basic tools that you can conduct to tell you whether your selection failure is happening on the write-in side of the system (selections not being logged on) or on the read-out side of the system (mechanism failing to detect registered selections.) Ron Rich posts on this site frequently, worked for Seeburg, and knows these systems cold. He can probably coach you through a tormat troubleshooting procedure while sleepwalking. To give you accurate directions, I'll need to have the book open beside me. If Ron doesn't post here within a day or two, ask and I'll walk you through the steps to test your tormat. It will be helpful for you to have the service manual, some alligator clip leads and a 1.5 volt "C" battery to test the tormat readout. The needle skip problem that you're having is probably being caused by the miniature tone arm wires causing a drag on the arm. Move them slightly, this will probably clear it up. The other possibility is that the arm is out of balance. There is an adjustable counterweight below the tone arm frame, mounted on a lead screw. The weight looks like a steel roller skate wheel. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=876yoEExaZMyso0UTlaG1gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From johntrav at windstream.net Fri Dec 11 07:44:23 2009 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Fri Dec 11 10:16:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newbie References: <20091211.025131.7201.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: On Rowe jukeboxes, the speedshift is activated by a wire in the center spindle. A small hole 33 disc pushes the wire down, activating a switch which fires a coil to shift speeds. Unplugging the coil will deactivate the 33 rpm function. John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Newbie Hello Nigel: I would imagine that a key to doing this is the age of the jukebox. In the US, most 60's and early 70's era jukes were outfitted to play either the 45 or 33 1/3 RPM 7" records. The size of the record-center hole triggered the speed change function. Most jukes kept 45 RPM as the "native" speed except for 4 Seeburg models (1963 thru 66) that used 33 as the native speed, stepping up to 45 when a large hole record got detected. By the mid 70's here, use of the 33 "mini-LP's" dwindled, and the juke makers went back to 45-only operation. I haven't seen many small-hole 45's here. Occasionally you will see the UK-European version of a 45 RPM single here,where some one brought it into the country. Apparently the US jukebox makers were not offering an UK-export version of their machines to accomodate small-hole 45's Seeburg retained use of 2 speed record changers, but went back to using 45 RPM as the native speed in 1967. To play undinked records in most of these models, simple modifications to disable the 33 RPM speed trigger will give you what you're looking for. In US-Wurlitzer carousel jukes, model 2600 thru 3300 behind the turntable unplug the small #12 2 pin light bulb. Save it for reinstallation if you want to reactivate the 33 RPM speed function. In US Wurlitzer Wurlamatic jukes, models 3400-3800,7500 and 1050. Disconnect solenoid that relocates idler wheel to 33 RPM motor shaft step. Remake connection to restore 45/33 RPM intermix. we've already discussed RockOla jukes, outfitted with the mech o matic function. Later model RO's have a fixed position large hole spindle that can't be changed. Model 480 going forward. Not sure of how 2 speed Rowe machines can be disabled. There's probably a simple way to do it. In Seeburg LPC-1 thru "Fleetwood" model (1963 thru 66, native 33 speed) misadjust switch contact next to the record clamper, then jumper the contacts closed. Mech will then switch to 45 RPM regardless of record hole size. Undo the modification to restore 2 speed operation. Not sure of how to defeat the speed trigger in Rowe jukeboxes. There's probably a simple way to do this. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Home Mortgage Click to compare mortgage rates. No obligation, quick and easy. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xRFXykwbGo6Mcuwrv0RYqAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQcwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Fri Dec 11 14:18:03 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 11 14:20:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The irritating Seeburg SS-160 In-Reply-To: <20091211.125658.28821.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091211.125658.28821.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC48C6F0A2EA04-57B8-1AB0B@webmail-d059.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Jim- I punch in a selection, two scans and back to the rest position. This just "happened" during the course the evening. Everything was humming along just fine then whatever happened, happened. Same with the tone arm drag. Just all of a sudden. What a fun night it was. -j -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 11:56 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] The irritating Seeburg SS-160 Hello John: You weren't very specific about your selection problem. If you write in a election, does the mechanism scan the rack twice and then stop? Your SS-160 s equipped with a tormat selection system. If you open the front speaker doors, in the base of your jukebox there is a ransistorized "tormat control center" chassis. It should be a pink color. omething to do would be to check for blown fuses (I think there are fusecaps on he chassis and inside the chassis on this model.) Replace fuses only with the orrect "amps" value, nothing larger. I remember (about a year ago) discussing with you a tormat electronics problem or an early 60's Seeburg (An AY or DS model?) The tormat electronics in your S-160 are less cumbersome and easier to troubleshoot. There are some simple ests with basic tools that you can conduct to tell you whether your selection ailure is happening on the write-in side of the system (selections not being ogged on) or on the read-out side of the system (mechanism failing to detect egistered selections.) Ron Rich posts on this site frequently, worked for Seeburg, and knows these ystems cold. He can probably coach you through a tormat troubleshooting rocedure while sleepwalking. To give you accurate directions, I'll need to ave the book open beside me. If Ron doesn't post here within a day or two, sk and I'll walk you through the steps to test your tormat. It will be helpful or you to have the service manual, some alligator clip leads and a 1.5 volt "C" attery to test the tormat readout. The needle skip problem that you're having is probably being caused by the iniature tone arm wires causing a drag on the arm. Move them slightly, this ill probably clear it up. The other possibility is that the arm is out of alance. There is an adjustable counterweight below the tone arm frame, mounted n a lead screw. The weight looks like a steel roller skate wheel. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ iet Help heap Diet Help Tips. Click here. ttp://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=876yoEExaZMyso0UTlaG1gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 11 14:40:42 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 11 14:44:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The irritating Seeburg SS-160 Message-ID: <20091211.174042.27709.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> John: You should be able to fix the tone arm issue easiily. Chances are the tone arm wires at the base of the arm are impeding it's free movement. Slightly moving or redressing them should do the trick. I'll take you through a basic test of your tormat system, if Ron Rich doesn't post you on it first. Please look for any blown fuses in the pink colored TCC chassis at the base of your juke. There should be fuses both in fusecaps and in clips on the underside of the chassis. This may be all you need. To test the readout part of the tormat, you're going to need to have alligator clip leads and a 1.5 volt C cell battery on hand. We can get by with or without you having the service manual. It's usually harder for you if you don't have one. It depends how well you know your SS-160. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Gl7U9mg8RQ5eBySuA1TijAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From hugsybear at graceba.net Fri Dec 11 18:59:15 2009 From: hugsybear at graceba.net (LYNN FIKE) Date: Fri Dec 11 19:09:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with selector buttons rockola tempo 2 Model 1485 Message-ID: <000e01ca7ad7$171cef50$0202a8c0@FIKE> Subject unit has 40 selector buttons/switches and A-E selectors for 200 possible selections. Unit has up until today operated fine. However, today I could make no selection from the 1-40 selector buttons. A-E selectors work ok. Selector buttons would not move to the down position and were seemly locked in the normal up position. After selecting each of the 1-40 selections on each of the operative A-E selectors the number 9 selector button moved to the down position but there was no movement of the record drum. Apparently no signal sent to make record selection. Further pressing of the selectors buttons revealed no change in remaining 39 selectors (remain locked in up position). I have checked all fuses (4) that I have found (3 on left side and one at stereo amplifier). All fuses have continuity as verified by ohm meter. Unit has power to all lights (including A-E and 1-40 selector buttons areas) and I have verified power to the amplifier/transformers. I can get record drum to rotate by moving operator switch to scan. Jukebox in located in retro room with temperature in 68-75 degree range. Jukebox is used maybe once a month and operated 2 weeks ago with no problems. I do not know what to try next. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Lynn M. Fike From moran.tommy at att.net Fri Dec 11 20:32:48 2009 From: moran.tommy at att.net (Moran, Thomas) Date: Fri Dec 11 20:41:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A Message-ID: <017CC666-D181-4593-89B1-57336D18E393@att.net> Hello, Began working on my AMI Model A today, hasn't seen much attention in a long while. I began by removing the transfer and record rack motors in order to remove the old hardened grease. Can I take a soft toothbrush to remove the old grease from the inner gear and what type of grease should I repack these with and how much. This week I intend on cleaning up the mech. and any suggestions/precautions would be welcome. Thankyou, Tom From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 11 21:52:18 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 11 21:55:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with selector buttons rockola tempo 2 Model 14 85 Message-ID: <20091212.005218.6479.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Hello Mr./Ms. Fike: Welcome to the juke-list. RE: 1960 RockOla 1485 Tempo II jukebox, selection problems This machine registers all selections in 100% analog method using switched circuits, solenoids and relays. Thank You for the methodical checkout that you've done so far--it'll probably prove helpful in troubleshooting/fixing the problem. >From your description, it sounds as if you have hand tools, a VOM and a basic knowledge of some components in your jukebox and what they do. It sounds as if you've owned this machine for a long time, and it's kept in a nice environment. When was the last time this unit was maintained,cleaned and lubricated either by you or a jukebox tech? A jukebox in home use should be serviced at least once every 5 years. Do you have the service manual for your machine? Do you want to have service advice given to you here so that you can proceed with your own repairs or would you like us to help you line up a local technician that'll make a house call. If yes, I need to know your location. Any of several jukebox service pros on this site will be able to help you, however most advice will be couched in terms of the service manual. From your description, this is going to be a solution of finding a broken or failed connection,switching in the keyboard, it's wiring or in the selector pinbank. This problem will not be solved through the simple replacement of fuses, vacuum tubes or resetting a circuit breaker. If you need to buy a service manual here are some sources that sell: Always Jukin', a newspaper catering to thre jukebox hobby (web: www.alwaysjukin.com) Victory Glass, a parts-supply house for classic jukeboxes (web: www.victoryglass.com) E Bay--sometimes there are sellers offering new/used manuals here Buy a paper copy of the manual, not a digital one on CD-ROM. RockOla issues schematic diagrams on large map-size foldouts included with the book. On CD these will be reduced to an 8.5 x 11" size page format, making them unreadable. You will need one of these diagrams for this repair. I'd like to have you make a few more technically simple tests to better localize the problem area. You'll need to remove the lower front door (spkr grill) of your machine and the dress cap covering the turntable area for access. If you need help here removing these parts please ask. If you'd rather not offer all this info on this site, please email me directly. I am a jukebox service technician in suburban Atlanta GA. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Online Loan Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=4e98c1l_JJtN6aWZDwYKLAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQZAAAAAA= From ken at pinballrebel.com Fri Dec 11 21:00:57 2009 From: ken at pinballrebel.com (ken@pinballrebel.com) Date: Fri Dec 11 22:04:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CD Player Where To Buy? Message-ID: <4B232389.7000206@pinballrebel.com> I need a new cd unit for a rockola bubbler with orange cyber sonic guts.. Im pretty sure the one that is in it is a cd-pro. Ive been told that you cant just buy a cd player from like happ as rockola does some kind of mod at the factory. rockola wants almost 600 for one...that seems nuts to me... anyone have any ideas? -- Ken In Texas http://www.pinballrebel.com Custom Pinball Cards, Jukeboxes, Drive In's "Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you on his own. If he ain't, no need to embarrass him." From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Dec 12 05:53:28 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 12 06:02:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The irritating Seeburg SS-160 In-Reply-To: <20091211.125658.28821.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091211.125658.28821.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC49499D6A80DC-497C-D12A@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Jim- NOW I remember... yeah, I had a Q some time ago. Turned out to be more trouble than it was worth so I jumped ship. An AY or a DS would've been worth the long haul. I will e-mail you directly about the SS-160 as my questions will be incredibly stupid and I've already embarrassed myself enough in front of the group in months and years past. The SS-160 was my last working juke so now I have five junkers sitting around the house with no motivation to mess with any of them. I remember (about a year ago) discussing with you a tormat electronics problem for an early 60's Seeburg (An AY or DS model?) The tormat electronics in your SS-160 are less cumbersome and easier to troubleshoot. -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 11:56 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] The irritating Seeburg SS-160 Hello John: You weren't very specific about your selection problem. If you write in a selection, does the mechanism scan the rack twice and then stop? Your SS-160 is equipped with a tormat selection system. If you open the front speaker doors, in the base of your jukebox there is a transistorized "tormat control center" chassis. It should be a pink color. Something to do would be to check for blown fuses (I think there are fusecaps on the chassis and inside the chassis on this model.) Replace fuses only with the correct "amps" value, nothing larger. I remember (about a year ago) discussing with you a tormat electronics problem for an early 60's Seeburg (An AY or DS model?) The tormat electronics in your SS-160 are less cumbersome and easier to troubleshoot. There are some simple tests with basic tools that you can conduct to tell you whether your selection failure is happening on the write-in side of the system (selections not being logged on) or on the read-out side of the system (mechanism failing to detect registered selections.) Ron Rich posts on this site frequently, worked for Seeburg, and knows these systems cold. He can probably coach you through a tormat troubleshooting procedure while sleepwalking. To give you accurate directions, I'll need to have the book open beside me. If Ron doesn't post here within a day or two, ask and I'll walk you through the steps to test your tormat. It will be helpful for you to have the service manual, some alligator clip leads and a 1.5 volt "C" battery to test the tormat readout. The needle skip problem that you're having is probably being caused by the miniature tone arm wires causing a drag on the arm. Move them slightly, this will probably clear it up. The other possibility is that the arm is out of balance. There is an adjustable counterweight below the tone arm frame, mounted on a lead screw. The weight looks like a steel roller skate wheel. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=876yoEExaZMyso0UTlaG1gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From edinman at earthlink.net Sat Dec 12 07:51:42 2009 From: edinman at earthlink.net (Ed Inman) Date: Sat Dec 12 09:10:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CD Player Where To Buy? Message-ID: <13589411.1260633102676.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> This site lists them new for $385: http://www.encosystems.net/order/ Be sure to save your old one because different jukes use different springs and legs to support the unit and you may have to remove the ones from the old unit to make the new one fit. Ed -----Original Message----- >From: "ken@pinballrebel.com" >Sent: Dec 11, 2009 11:00 PM >To: Jukebox mailing list >Subject: [Jukebox-list] CD Player Where To Buy? > >I need a new cd unit for a rockola bubbler with orange cyber sonic guts.. > >Im pretty sure the one that is in it is a cd-pro. > >Ive been told that you cant just buy a cd player from like happ as >rockola does some kind of mod at the factory. > >rockola wants almost 600 for one...that seems nuts to me... > >anyone have any ideas? >-- >Ken In Texas >http://www.pinballrebel.com >Custom Pinball Cards, Jukeboxes, Drive In's > >"Never ask a man if he's from Texas. >If he is, he'll tell you on his own. >If he ain't, no need to embarrass him." >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Dec 12 09:40:13 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Dec 12 09:41:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway In-Reply-To: <20091211.120424.4417.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <28584.45351.qm@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 12/11/09, James Alexander wrote: > Apparently part of the experience of riding the > Himalaya was the concept of keeping the music "in the > moment", to blend with the conditions and the crowd. Funny, I've never seen a "Himalaya" outside of Europe. What I have seen is a clone of it called the "Matterhorn" which has always been a popular ride with high school students since I was in high school. And it always featured a loud sound system, along with an operator yelling "Do you want to go FASTER??" into a microphone. I wonder if they were built by the same company. I remember the first time I saw a Himalaya (was opposed to a Matterhorn) was at the Lukasmarkt in Mayen, Germany in 1976. The operator had a strange predilection towards Abba. I'll always associate that ride with "Dancing Queen." From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 12 10:38:42 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 12 10:40:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CD Player Where To Buy? In-Reply-To: <4B232389.7000206@pinballrebel.com> Message-ID: <564301.20214.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ken, If you like, I can rebuild it for you--much lower price--contact me off list at? ronnnrich@yahoo.com , if you wish--- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 12/11/09, ken@pinballrebel.com wrote: From: ken@pinballrebel.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] CD Player Where To Buy? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:00 PM I need a new cd unit for a rockola bubbler with orange cyber sonic guts.. Im pretty sure the one that is in it is a cd-pro. Ive been told that you cant just buy a cd player from like happ as rockola does some kind of mod at the factory. rockola wants almost 600 for one...that seems nuts to me... anyone have any ideas? -- Ken In Texas http://www.pinballrebel.com Custom Pinball Cards, Jukeboxes, Drive In's "Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you on his own. If he ain't, no need to embarrass him." _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 12 10:42:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 12 10:43:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A In-Reply-To: <017CC666-D181-4593-89B1-57336D18E393@att.net> Message-ID: <596790.61747.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tom, I would think that any brush should work--may need to use some "solvent" also-- As for grease--I prefer CRC Stay-Lube Hi Pressure Moly-Graph. for that type of application. Ron Rich? --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Moran, Thomas wrote: From: Moran, Thomas Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model A To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 8:32 PM Hello, ??? Began working on my AMI Model A today, hasn't seen much attention in a long while.? I began by removing the transfer and record rack motors in order to remove the old hardened grease.? Can I take a soft toothbrush to remove the old grease from the inner gear and what type of grease should I repack these with and how much.? This week I intend on cleaning up the mech. and any suggestions/precautions would be welcome. Thankyou, Tom _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 12 10:55:54 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 12 10:59:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The irritating Seeburg SS-160 Message-ID: <20091212.135554.18074.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> John: The Seeb SS-160 is a 1967 model machine and has a number of tech changes in it's operating system compared to it's earlier 60's models. A really comprehensive service manual was written for the SS-160, that is usable for several other Seeburg models, going forward. If you're not sure how to navigate your way around a Seeburg tormat system, you should have the book in hand before we attempt a correspondence-course repair job. I couch a lot of my repair advice in terms of the manual. It is usually not a good idea to buy CD-ROM copies of a service manual. Large size schematics are reduced to an 8.5 x 11" size format, making them unreadable. Use a paper manual. If you're trying to economize, sometimes you can find used books for sale at E Bay. Otherwise new ones are for sale at Always Jukin' or Victory Glass. The tormat electronics in the SS-160 is transistorized and simplified, compared to the vacuum tube tormat receiver of your Q model juke. The results of any tests we conduct will determine whether or not a receiver rebuild is needed. On the basis of time alone, it should be done. Maybe you can cheat the odds. Since you didn't bring it up, I'm assuming the SS-160's sound is OK. I'm having a little trouble understanding your preference for the early 60's Seeburg jukes---the models Q, AY and DS all had a similar profile, with a visible mechanism, but different colors and graphics. Technically these models were all similar. There are minor electronic differences among the models, but the tormat and sound systems are similar to the Q---If you needed to have any of these rebuilt, buy tubes, etc, your expenses,regardless of which servicer you hire to do the work, would be about the same price. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=SW59FuUT_ENxQzW7OXuAzgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 12 12:43:29 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 12 12:46:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway Message-ID: <20091212.154329.25591.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Dave: That could have been the case. I'm no amusement ride expert and I was involved in that biz for a 3-4 year period to build/maintain a few of these music systems as a sound engineer. Using the controlled jukebox mech gave the ride operator the programming flexibility they needed while keeping the records out of harms' way. I do think there was a Matterhorn ride, made by another ride manufacturer, that was a similar concept. You're right about the ride operation and the sound system, they were always asking the riders if you "wanted to go really fast" over an adrenaline-pumping music sound track. There were a lot of special lighting effects. The guys in the booth worked hard to build that mood. I guess it was a real rush for the riders when everything clicked just right. These rides had a unique aura after dark. Since you're mentioning Abba & Dancing Queen, wasn't this a song of the mid 70's? Maybe that was popular where you were living. The ride owner that I built systems for operated his 2 portable Himalayas at fairs and carnivals through mostly the midwestern US "Rust belt" in the later 60's. He bought one as new equipment package, and bought the other second hand unit from another carnival. These rides were very expensive at the time, well into 6 figures. They travelled with a package of about 25 rides and an entourage of about 35 people. They had a fulltime electrician and electronics tech in their troup to set up and maintain all their gear. After the initial build, I only got called out if they had a serious tech problem. We built them a Seeburg M100 unit as a spare backup to both rides. Over their lifespan the M100's were once replaced with fresher ones. The playmeters (I kept them active) rolled over 100,000 plays ea. in about a 3 year period. These Seeburgs worked long and hard for their master. This is probably why the hard rock & pop soundtrack clicked with his audience. Kids there wanted to hear Alice Cooper, Grand Funk, 3 Dog Night,Stones, etc. They tweaked the soundtrack to match country and soul audiences when playing in those areas. A lot of the steel ride parts packed into fitted crates (for transport) that had nameplates on them from the ride builder. It was a name like "Klaus Aufbau." Not really sure. By the mid 70's, the Himalaya was no longer the "A" list midway attraction, replaced by newer thrills. The ride co. downplayed the music-lighting effects,so they became a background item. Instead of the pop-singles, entire album sides got played. The Seeburg 45 players were replaced with big capacity cassette tape changers, which reduced bulk and needed less "hands-on" attention. If you enjoy following this amusement-park stuff, I'm aware of a club and website that keeps track of all the super-roller coaster installations and thrill-rides around the US. You'll have to Google it to find it, though. Hope you enjoyed the trip down memory lane, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=IUfOfdEwOVWZ0Ue0-QlGYAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Dec 12 12:51:48 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sat Dec 12 12:53:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? Message-ID: While I am reading the posts, I wanted to comment on a Record Cleaner I bought a couple weeks ago. I had been washing my records with a very soft brush with dish soap and water...seemed to work pretty well. I found a Spin Cleaner that cleans 45's, 331/3 and 78's. I wonder if anyone else on the list has used it before. I have been really pleased with it and notice there is MUCH less background noise. I can get about 50 records done before I have to change the water. Jackie From hugsybear at graceba.net Sat Dec 12 12:57:58 2009 From: hugsybear at graceba.net (LYNN FIKE) Date: Sat Dec 12 12:59:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with selector buttons rockola tempo 2 Model 1485 References: <20091212.005218.6479.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000701ca7b6d$c8ffcee0$0202a8c0@FIKE> Thank you for your quick response and help. I will try to address each question you posed. The unit has not been lubricated with the exception of the drum gears, turntable piston, and turntable platter/wick. May be other areas I have not addressed. Not sure what to do maintenance wise on the switches. I am cautious on doing anything that might hinder or prevent their operation. I do have a paper copy manual but I have misplaced it. It is somewhere in my home. I am going through files and boxes today trying to locate it. Regarding the problem: As you suggested I removed the dress cap and then removed the front door. I looked closely at all contact switches and all seem fine. No visible obstructions and all wiring and contact points looked good. For a closer look, I started removing one of the plate mounting screws that holds the bank of 3 grouping of switches. When the plate loosen from the mount all switches were freed and now seem to operate normally. Not sure what transpired. Any idea? I put the unit back together and everything works fine. All selections work and all mechanisms seem to operate properly. Sound is great. I have a few questions concerning maintaining the switches and other components in the juke. What would you suggest I do in terms of maintaining the switches. I would also like your suggestion on the best type of lubricant to use on the moving gears and any other parts not mentioned that I should perform maintenance on. I have in past lightly coated gears/drives and springs with Vaseline. I am very thankful for your interest and assistance in my problem. I am really glad to get the juke working since my wife and I have a office holiday reception at my home this Monday night. The retro room and in particular the Rockola is always a conversation topic. Seems like when someone enters the room the first question always is "Does the Jukebox work!. Thanks Again! Lynn M. Fike ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with selector buttons rockola tempo 2 Model 1485 Hello Mr./Ms. Fike: Welcome to the juke-list. RE: 1960 RockOla 1485 Tempo II jukebox, selection problems This machine registers all selections in 100% analog method using switched circuits, solenoids and relays. Thank You for the methodical checkout that you've done so far--it'll probably prove helpful in troubleshooting/fixing the problem. >From your description, it sounds as if you have hand tools, a VOM and a >basic knowledge of some components in your jukebox and what they do. It >sounds as if you've owned this machine for a long time, and it's kept in a >nice environment. When was the last time this unit was maintained,cleaned >and lubricated either by you or a jukebox tech? A jukebox in home use >should be serviced at least once every 5 years. Do you have the service manual for your machine? Do you want to have service advice given to you here so that you can proceed with your own repairs or would you like us to help you line up a local technician that'll make a house call. If yes, I need to know your location. Any of several jukebox service pros on this site will be able to help you, however most advice will be couched in terms of the service manual. From your description, this is going to be a solution of finding a broken or failed connection,switching in the keyboard, it's wiring or in the selector pinbank. This problem will not be solved through the simple replacement of fuses, vacuum tubes or resetting a circuit breaker. If you need to buy a service manual here are some sources that sell: Always Jukin', a newspaper catering to thre jukebox hobby (web: www.alwaysjukin.com) Victory Glass, a parts-supply house for classic jukeboxes (web: www.victoryglass.com) E Bay--sometimes there are sellers offering new/used manuals here Buy a paper copy of the manual, not a digital one on CD-ROM. RockOla issues schematic diagrams on large map-size foldouts included with the book. On CD these will be reduced to an 8.5 x 11" size page format, making them unreadable. You will need one of these diagrams for this repair. I'd like to have you make a few more technically simple tests to better localize the problem area. You'll need to remove the lower front door (spkr grill) of your machine and the dress cap covering the turntable area for access. If you need help here removing these parts please ask. If you'd rather not offer all this info on this site, please email me directly. I am a jukebox service technician in suburban Atlanta GA. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Online Loan Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=4e98c1l_JJtN6aWZDwYKLAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQZAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 12 13:05:14 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 12 13:06:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <32737.59695.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, Nice to "hear" from you--Hope you and yours had a great T day--and have a great season ! Do people still "wash" records ? I always was under the impression that that's what the needle on the Seeburg was for---No ??? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:51 PM While I am reading the posts, I wanted to comment on a Record Cleaner I bought a couple weeks ago.? I had been washing my records with a very soft brush with dish soap and water...seemed to work pretty well. I found a Spin Cleaner that cleans 45's, 331/3 and 78's.? I wonder if anyone else on the list has used it before.? I have been really pleased with it and notice there is MUCH less background noise.? I can get about 50 records done before I have to change the water. Jackie_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 12 13:24:06 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 12 13:27:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? Message-ID: <20091212.162406.16396.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: One of the most effective record cleaners of the late 70's (when records were still in abundance) was the DiscWasher D3 and D4 cleaner. This is a chemical cleaner, anti-static agent, and lubricant that should be applied to a new (or new to you) record's surface, then renewed once a year or so. Really grungy records that you buy at the flea market should be washed in gentle soap and water (the Jackie E treatment) first then cleaned with the Discwasher. By the way, Discwasher is a low cost record cleaner. The product line has been purchased by RCA and is available through Amazon.com and other on line retailers. At brick-and-mortar locations, Discwasher is sold to DJ's who still spin vinyl. Go to music and DJ supply stores. A great way to treat your stored LP's or jukebox singles. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Stock Options Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ZXemT9t3taoFPyeyEhlzogAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQlgAAAAA= From pinballpauls at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 13:38:16 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Sat Dec 12 13:39:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CD Player Where To Buy? In-Reply-To: <13589411.1260633102676.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13589411.1260633102676.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Have you tried A&B Jukebox ( http://www.rowejukeboxparts.com/home.aspx?Merchant=abjukeboxrepair ), they have reconditioned ones that I have used and been very happy with. On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Ed Inman wrote: > This site lists them new for $385: > http://www.encosystems.net/order/ > > Be sure to save your old one because different jukes use different springs > and legs to support the unit and you may have to remove the ones from the > old unit to make the new one fit. > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "ken@pinballrebel.com" > >Sent: Dec 11, 2009 11:00 PM > >To: Jukebox mailing list > >Subject: [Jukebox-list] CD Player Where To Buy? > > > >I need a new cd unit for a rockola bubbler with orange cyber sonic guts.. > > > >Im pretty sure the one that is in it is a cd-pro. > > > >Ive been told that you cant just buy a cd player from like happ as > >rockola does some kind of mod at the factory. > > > >rockola wants almost 600 for one...that seems nuts to me... > > > >anyone have any ideas? > >-- > >Ken In Texas > >http://www.pinballrebel.com > >Custom Pinball Cards, Jukeboxes, Drive In's > > > >"Never ask a man if he's from Texas. > >If he is, he'll tell you on his own. > >If he ain't, no need to embarrass him." > >_______________________________________________ > >Jukebox-list mailing list > >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 12 13:39:07 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 12 13:40:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with selector buttons rockola tempo 2 Model 1485 In-Reply-To: <000701ca7b6d$c8ffcee0$0202a8c0@FIKE> Message-ID: <298900.42377.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Lynn, In answer to your questions--this is just MY opinion, based upon 45 years of working on "coin operated phonographs"--good Lord--I'm getting old !--Others are free to differ--- As for lubrication--I only use a SAE # 20 wt oil. I use no "grease" unless I totally remove the "old stuff" first. When I do use grease, I have a can of "Dixon # 3 graphite cup grease", which is NLA as far as I know. A good sub is CRC Stay-Lube Moly-Graph grease. On "open blade" switches--they should be clean and free of anything "oily". I clean them only if "dirty", with a "Safety solvent" (use caution that you do not "spray" on something the solvent can "eat"). Closed type (Micro) switches can not be "cleaned" in most cases. On RockOla's, it is very important to oil anything, and everything in, or around the "gripper" area, very well. SOME gripper motors have an oil hole in the casting where it narrows down, others, and the basket motor do not have the hole. The AC "write-in" motor has two felt "pads" that should be saturated with oil, along with any gears/bearings that you can reach.Tone arm pivot should get a drop of oil along with the TT and idler wheel--and the two idler "posts" ( that are "spring operated"). If that model has a motorized drum, the drum AC motor needs the same treatment as the WI motor above--andof course, the drum itself. That's all I can think or --? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/12/09, LYNN FIKE wrote: From: LYNN FIKE Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with selector buttons rockola tempo 2 Model 1485 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:57 PM Thank you for your quick response and help.? I will try to address each question you posed. The unit has not been lubricated with the exception of the drum gears, turntable piston, and turntable platter/wick.? May be other areas I have not addressed. Not sure what to do maintenance wise on the switches.? I am cautious on doing anything that might hinder or prevent their operation. I do have a paper copy manual but I have misplaced it.? It is somewhere in my home.? I am going through files and boxes today trying to locate it. Regarding the problem: As you suggested I removed the dress cap and then removed the front door.? I looked closely at all contact switches and all seem fine.? No visible obstructions and all wiring and contact points looked good.? For a closer look,? I started removing one of the plate mounting screws that holds the bank of 3 grouping of switches.? When the plate loosen from the mount all switches were freed and now seem to operate normally. Not sure what transpired. Any idea? I put the unit back together and everything works fine.? All selections work and all mechanisms seem to operate properly.? Sound is great. I have a few questions concerning maintaining the switches and other components in the juke.? ? What would you suggest I do in terms of maintaining the switches.? I would also like your suggestion on the best type of lubricant to use on the moving gears and any other parts not mentioned that I should perform maintenance on. I have in past lightly coated gears/drives and springs with Vaseline. I am very thankful for your interest and assistance in my problem.? I am really glad to get the juke working since my wife and I have a office holiday reception at my home this Monday night.? The retro room and in particular the Rockola is always a conversation topic.? Seems like when someone enters the room the first question always is "Does the Jukebox work!. Thanks Again! Lynn M. Fike ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] help with selector buttons rockola tempo 2 Model 1485 Hello Mr./Ms. Fike: Welcome to the juke-list. RE: 1960 RockOla 1485 Tempo II jukebox, selection problems This machine registers all selections in 100% analog method using switched circuits, solenoids and relays. Thank You for the methodical checkout that you've done so far--it'll probably prove helpful in troubleshooting/fixing the problem. > From your description, it sounds as if you have hand tools, a VOM and a basic knowledge of some? components in your jukebox and what they do. It sounds as if you've owned this machine for a long time, and it's kept in a nice environment.???When was the last time this unit was maintained,cleaned and lubricated either by you or a jukebox tech?? A jukebox in? home use should be serviced at least once every 5 years. Do you have the service manual for your machine? Do you want to have service advice given to you here so that you can proceed with your own repairs or would you like us to help you line up a local technician that'll make a house call.? If yes, I need to know your location. Any of several jukebox service pros on this site will be able to help you, however most advice will be couched in terms of the service manual.? From your description, this is going to be a solution of finding a broken or failed connection,switching in the keyboard, it's wiring or in the selector pinbank.? This problem will not be solved through the simple replacement of fuses, vacuum tubes or resetting a circuit breaker. If you need to buy a service manual here are some sources that sell: Always Jukin', a newspaper catering to thre jukebox hobby? (web: www.alwaysjukin.com) Victory Glass, a parts-supply house for classic jukeboxes? ? (web: www.victoryglass.com) E Bay--sometimes there are sellers offering new/used manuals here Buy a paper copy of the manual, not a digital one on CD-ROM.? RockOla issues schematic diagrams on large map-size foldouts included with the book.? On CD these will be reduced to an 8.5 x 11" size page format, making them unreadable.? You will need one of these diagrams for this repair. I'd like to have you make a few more technically simple tests to better localize the problem area. You'll need to remove the lower front door (spkr grill) of your machine and the dress cap covering the turntable area for access.???If you need help here removing these parts please ask. If you'd rather not offer all this info on this site, please email me directly.? I am a jukebox service technician in suburban Atlanta GA. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Online Loan Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=4e98c1l_JJtN6aWZDwYKLAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQZAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Dec 12 12:45:39 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sat Dec 12 13:49:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT..mostly for Ron R. Message-ID: Hi to all, I am happy to report that the SeeburgTrashcan will soon have side top plastics and the Animation!!! YIpee! IT's my Christmas present this year from my husband and I am sooo excited..should be here by end of the week...I hope you all have your Jukes loaded with beautiful Holiday music and maybe even a new Jukebox or two around the house, Happy Holidays to all, Jackie From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 12 14:04:08 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 12 14:07:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with selector buttons rockola tempo 2 Model 14 85 Message-ID: <20091212.170408.5364.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hello Mr./ Ms Fike I'm glad to hear you know enough about your juke to handle the first-line maintenance, and that you've attempted to keep it up. The service manual has a detailed lubrication chart. When you took off the front door, apparently you shook the marginal, intermittent connection in the keyboard area so that it made contact again. It will probably open up again--these usually don't improve with age. To answer your questions: Mech lubricants: A 20 weight motor oil should be used to lubricate motor bearings and spaces in between the gripper arm gears. A great oil-applier for jukebox mechanisms is the GC Zoom Spout oiler which is sold through electronics parts supply houses. Your manual specifies Lubriplate where grease is needed, such as gear teeth, sliding parts etc. Lubriplate is still available, but some new lubricants are superior. I use white Lithium grease. This is a cream,sold in toothpaste type tubes, and id frequently used by auto engine rebuilders. National auto supply store chains like Pep Boys, Autozone, O ' Reilly's, Napa etc usually have this. Cleaners To clean switch and connector contacts, the best contact cleaner out there in my opinion is Caig Labs' DeOxit. This should be used to clean push button switch contacts, open relay contacts, volume pots etc. Spray aerosol cleaner sold through electronics parts houses. Most other "tuner" cleaners usually have a lubricant in their chemical base which becomes tacky, then attracts dust & dirt. DeOxit is worth the extra cost. To effectively clean rubber contact surfaces, such as turntable idler wheels, use methyl ethyl ketone (called MEK) This is a powerful cleaner/paint thinner/stripper sold in the paint department of Home Depot, Lowe's, Ace Hardware etc. Do not apply to plastics. A metal cream cleaner that removes oxidation, light rust,metal blemishes, corrosion and cleans chrome well is Brasso. You can find this in the cleaning department at Kroger, Ace Hardware, some Walmarts, Home Depot Inc. In some parts of the US, this might be called "Noxon". Use this to clean the steel "nose" of your juke along with the speaker grill. ON your keyboard wiring harness there is a large multi-pin Cinch-Jones connector. With age, pins on this connector can tarnish and cause high resistance connections. Using Brasso on an old toothbrush, clean the pins on this connector. Use DeOxit into the female socket pins. This could be where your problem lies. All the above chemicals/oil will help you maintain your jukebox more effectively. Other The service manual is about an 80 page spiral-bound book, furnished with 2 large fold out schematic diagrams. This is separate from the smaller owners' manual that is supplied to the buyer of a new RockOla juke. A replacement manual will cost $20-30, depending where you buy it. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=opVs7k4gmxLxkR9eRTaKSgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 12 14:20:54 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 12 14:24:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT..mostly for Ron R. Message-ID: <20091212.172054.5364.2@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hi: Merry Christmas, Jackie. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Online Loan Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=W8XOLfUCp0X0Z7rcaFY3qgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQZAAAAAA= From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Dec 12 13:26:33 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sat Dec 12 14:30:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: <32737.59695.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <32737.59695.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, You are too funny! I notice the most improvement on my 78's...I just fill my dish drainer at night with washed records and in the morning, put them back in jackets and mark them "C" cleaned! Jackie On Dec 12, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jackie, > Nice to "hear" from you--Hope you and yours had a great T day--and have a great season ! > Do people still "wash" records ? I always was under the impression that that's what the needle on the Seeburg was for---No ?? Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:51 PM > > While I am reading the posts, I wanted to comment on a Record Cleaner I bought a couple weeks ago. I had been washing my records with a very soft brush with dish soap and water...seemed to work pretty well. I found a Spin Cleaner that cleans 45's, 331/3 and 78's. I wonder if anyone else on the list has used it before. I have been really pleased with it and notice there is MUCH less background noise. I can get about 50 records done before I have to change the water. > Jackie_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 12 14:36:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 12 14:38:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <152503.50136.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Why, thank-you Mam !? Now you know why Seeburg found a "better way" to store records after the 148--- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 1:26 PM Ron, You are too funny!? I notice the most improvement on my 78's...I just fill my dish drainer at night with washed records and in the morning, put them back in jackets and mark them "C" cleaned! Jackie On Dec 12, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jackie, > Nice to "hear" from you--Hope you and yours had a great T day--and have a great season ! > Do people still "wash" records ? I always was under the impression that that's what the needle on the Seeburg was for---No ??? Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jackie Elgie wrote: > > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:51 PM > > While I am reading the posts, I wanted to comment on a Record Cleaner I bought a couple weeks ago.? I had been washing my records with a very soft brush with dish soap and water...seemed to work pretty well. I found a Spin Cleaner that cleans 45's, 331/3 and 78's.? I wonder if anyone else on the list has used it before.? I have been really pleased with it and notice there is MUCH less background noise.? I can get about 50 records done before I have to change the water. > Jackie_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 12 14:41:57 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 12 14:43:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] help with selector buttons rockola tempo 2 Model 14 85 Message-ID: <20091212.174157.5364.3@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Ron: Lynn: Possibly a correction. I don't think an RO 1485 has a write in motor. The next year's 1495 (named Regis) had a big solenoid pinbank using group relays (RO called them clapper coils) for selection registration. The 120-play model didn't. The 1485 Tempo had a rotary title drum--the Regis didn't. The Tempo used 5 large "group" buttons at the top of the machine times 40 number buttons to get to 200 selections. The Regis used an A through V and 1 to 10 keyboard. Im under the impression the write in motor with the hammer solenoids didn't begin until the later Princess and Capri models. I've had a bunch of these in here for work lately. To Mr Fike: Underneath the turntable, behind the selector pinbank, you'll see an open printed circuit board with rotary contact surfaces. There are switch wiper arms connected to the record basket shaft that scan these contacts. If these contacts are intermittent and dusty, this could have caused your intermittent selection failure. This is why I asked you to take off the dress cap. I my post, I neglected to mention the switch contacts. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=kxKkOT9J3DMOeNHKwAH2PgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From JHayes2613 at aol.com Sat Dec 12 14:55:08 2009 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Sat Dec 12 14:57:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3AD91C1A-0596-42F4-908D-B9D5A5F3D074@aol.com> www.brillianize.com I swear by this stuff. On Dec 12, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > While I am reading the posts, I wanted to comment on a Record > Cleaner I bought a couple weeks ago. I had been washing my records > with a very soft brush with dish soap and water...seemed to work > pretty well. I found a Spin Cleaner that cleans 45's, 331/3 and > 78's. I wonder if anyone else on the list has used it before. I > have been really pleased with it and notice there is MUCH less > background noise. I can get about 50 records done before I have to > change the water. > Jackie_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From JHayes2613 at aol.com Sat Dec 12 14:53:37 2009 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Sat Dec 12 15:02:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The irritating Seeburg SS-160 In-Reply-To: <20091212.135554.18074.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091212.135554.18074.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <0CE562AB-14EF-4617-B4BB-5E147C81A356@aol.com> Hi, Jim- Yeah, I have the manual. When I first got this mother I was going 'round and 'round on this group about the poor audio of the machine. Turns out the tone arm cradle and the amp needed to be traded out. The proper amp (TSA-5 I think it is) and tone arm/cart are in there now and has been rebuilt. She sounds great now... or at least she did until the other night. I got to thinking that this "scan twice and quit " business has happened once or twice in the past but this would be only temporary. Now it's permanent. Is this any kind of a clue? Thx- j On Dec 12, 2009, at 12:55 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > John: > > The Seeb SS-160 is a 1967 model machine and has a number of tech > changes in it's operating system compared to it's earlier 60's > models. A really comprehensive service manual was written for the > SS-160, that is usable for several other Seeburg models, going > forward. > > If you're not sure how to navigate your way around a Seeburg tormat > system, you should have the book in hand before we attempt a > correspondence-course repair job. I couch a lot of my repair > advice in terms of the manual. > It is usually not a good idea to buy CD-ROM copies of a service > manual. Large size schematics are reduced to an 8.5 x 11" size > format, making them unreadable. Use a paper manual. If you're > trying to economize, sometimes you can find used books for sale at E > Bay. Otherwise new ones are for sale at Always Jukin' or Victory > Glass. > > The tormat electronics in the SS-160 is transistorized and > simplified, compared to the vacuum tube tormat receiver of your Q > model juke. > The results of any tests we conduct will determine whether or not a > receiver rebuild is needed. On the basis of time alone, it should > be done. Maybe you can cheat the odds. Since you didn't bring it up, > I'm assuming the SS-160's sound is OK. > > I'm having a little trouble understanding your preference for the > early 60's Seeburg jukes---the models Q, AY and DS all had a similar > profile, with a visible mechanism, but different colors and > graphics. Technically these models were all similar. There are > minor electronic differences among the models, but the tormat and > sound systems are similar to the Q---If you needed to have any of > these rebuilt, buy tubes, etc, your expenses,regardless of which > servicer you hire to do the work, would be about the same price. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Banking > Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=SW59FuUT_ENxQzW7OXuAzgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From JHayes2613 at aol.com Sat Dec 12 14:55:55 2009 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Sat Dec 12 15:04:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: References: <32737.59695.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49E45BF4-F5D0-4E4C-903B-7880E8887AA9@aol.com> Brillianize, Brillianize, Brillianize. On Dec 12, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Ron, > You are too funny! I notice the most improvement on my 78's...I > just fill my dish drainer at night with washed records and in the > morning, put them back in jackets and mark them "C" cleaned! > Jackie > > > On Dec 12, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Jackie, >> Nice to "hear" from you--Hope you and yours had a great T day--and >> have a great season ! >> Do people still "wash" records ? I always was under the impression >> that that's what the needle on the Seeburg was for---No ?? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jackie Elgie wrote: >> >> From: Jackie Elgie >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? >> To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:51 PM >> >> While I am reading the posts, I wanted to comment on a Record >> Cleaner I bought a couple weeks ago. I had been washing my records >> with a very soft brush with dish soap and water...seemed to work >> pretty well. I found a Spin Cleaner that cleans 45's, 331/3 and >> 78's. I wonder if anyone else on the list has used it before. I >> have been really pleased with it and notice there is MUCH less >> background noise. I can get about 50 records done before I have to >> change the water. >> Jackie_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Dec 12 14:53:04 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sat Dec 12 15:56:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: <20091212.162406.16396.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091212.162406.16396.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Jim, Over the past few years, I have managed to pick up the Discwasher 3 x at Goodwill and our local Thrift Shop. I wasn't sure if the solution would still be effective, but I used it anyway! I still have 2 unopened sets, you are right....they are great for upkeep. Usually my records are really dirty, coming from the above places, so the wet cleaning system is a good place to start. Jackie On Dec 12, 2009, at 4:24 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Gentlemen: > > One of the most effective record cleaners of the late 70's (when records were still in abundance) was the DiscWasher D3 and D4 cleaner. This is a chemical cleaner, anti-static agent, and lubricant that should be applied to a new (or new to you) record's surface, then renewed once a year or so. > > Really grungy records that you buy at the flea market should be washed in gentle soap and water (the Jackie E treatment) first then cleaned with the Discwasher. By the way, Discwasher is a low cost record cleaner. The product line has been purchased by RCA and is available through Amazon.com and other on line retailers. > At brick-and-mortar locations, Discwasher is sold to DJ's who still spin vinyl. Go to music and DJ supply stores. > > A great way to treat your stored LP's or jukebox singles. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Stock Options > Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ZXemT9t3taoFPyeyEhlzogAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQlgAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Dec 12 17:15:12 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Dec 12 17:16:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway In-Reply-To: <20091212.154329.25591.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <686884.84086.qm@web112114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, James Alexander wrote: > Since you're mentioning Abba & Dancing Queen, wasn't > this a song of the mid 70's? Maybe that was popular > where you were living. Fall of 1976. It was a big hit in Germany. I have very clear memories of when I heard that song because it corresponded with meeting my first love. I always wonder what my life would have been like if we hadn't split up, but I imagine everyone else does about their similar relationships, too. When she came to the US, she loved my jukeboxes. Even as a teenager I was already into them. > If you enjoy following this amusement-park stuff, I'm > aware of a club and website that keeps track of all the > super-roller coaster installations and thrill-rides around > the US. My dream is to own an Eli Bridge Company Model 16 ferris wheel. All original, which means cable drive run from a gasoline engine (with a generator for the lights). Don't ask me why - I've just always wanted one. It would be great fun at parties. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Dec 12 17:20:49 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Dec 12 17:22:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: <49E45BF4-F5D0-4E4C-903B-7880E8887AA9@aol.com> Message-ID: <790436.1097.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I've said this before but I'll say it again. One of the best ways to clean all records (except Edison Diamond Dics) is to use a paint-pad (the type with bristles that stick straight out) and a solution of Kodak Photo-Flo wetting agent mixed just as the instructions say for film. Dunk the paint pad in the solution, and move it back and forth across the record, in the direction of the groove, as you rotate the record 2-3 times with your other hand. Then rinse in clean water, pat dry and leave in a rack to air dry. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From gibson510 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 12 17:52:21 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Sat Dec 12 17:53:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 460 Problem and DS100 ear speaker question. Message-ID: I'm trying to help a gent out who owns a 460. Apparently sometime ago he claims Charlie Maier told him to "spray the hell out" of the search unit with WD-40. Well for starters that doesn't sound like the Charlie Maier that I knew, and it looks like he sprayed WD 40 everywhere. What a mess! Short time later he said a puff of smoke came from either the read in or write out red cube relay and then 3rd button stayed down when making a selection and now it blows the 24 VAC breaker. I looked underneath and the search motor is dripping with WD-40. If I manually pull a pin, it goes and plays no problem. When using the pushbutton selector as soon as you press 3rd digit, search motor moves for a split second then kicks the breaker. Is it possible the wd 40 got into the search motor and has shorted it out? Following the sequence of operation via the manual, this appears to be the only part that does not work. Any Ideas? Thanks Rick P.S. Jim, thanks for the info on the DS100 ear speaker. Now that you mention it, i think thatr speaker was used in LPC 480's up on top. I'm going to try MCM electronics for a replacement, and you are correct it has a pretty hefty magnet on it for a little one. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 12 18:36:41 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 12 18:38:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 460 Problem and DS100 ear speaker question. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <738602.70492.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, Don't sound like the "RockOlaCharlie" I knew either !! On the ear speaker--got the parts books??--look up the numbers--if the numbers are the same, the speaker was the same--and I may know of a guy who still has some-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/12/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 460 Problem and DS100 ear speaker question. To: "jukebox list" Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 5:52 PM I'm trying to help a gent out who owns a 460. Apparently sometime ago he claims Charlie Maier told him to "spray the hell out" of the search unit with WD-40. Well for starters that doesn't sound like the Charlie Maier that I knew, and it looks like he sprayed WD 40 everywhere. What a mess! Short time later he said a puff of smoke came from either the read in or write out red cube relay and then 3rd button stayed down when making a selection and now it blows the 24 VAC breaker. I looked underneath and the search motor is dripping with WD-40.? If I manually pull a pin, it goes and plays no problem. When using the pushbutton selector as soon as you press 3rd digit, search motor moves for a split second then kicks the breaker. Is it possible the wd 40 got into the search motor and has shorted it out? Following the sequence of operation via the manual, this appears to be the only part that does not work. Any Ideas? Thanks Rick P.S. Jim, thanks for the info on the DS100 ear speaker. Now that you mention it, i think thatr speaker was used in LPC 480's up on top. I'm going to try MCM electronics for a replacement, and you are correct it has a pretty hefty magnet on it for a little one. ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 12 18:42:49 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 12 18:46:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg B Hideaway Message-ID: <20091212.214249.11434.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> David: So that time in the 70's was a special moment in your life...That's why you remember it so well. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Stock Options Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ozTwIqeAYXbZG5tG8yo27AAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQlgAAAAA= From steve.lane at dishmail.net Sat Dec 12 18:49:07 2009 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Sat Dec 12 18:57:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record maga z ine assembly In-Reply-To: <61088cf90911181737o78a86fd9w4d15ba25bdbc8dcc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091114.150901.17974.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> <61088cf90911141531rf1e1125g221da678768b848f@mail.gmail.com> <61088cf90911181737o78a86fd9w4d15ba25bdbc8dcc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <61088cf90912121849o57d7fcf6o22d236915a489f27@mail.gmail.com> I finally had the time this weekend to install the new switches. They were correct and the jukebox is working great! I had to dial them in a little bit as far as adjustments go, but the juke is playing very well now. I need to print out some labels to match the 45's I have. What is the preferred program for doing this? Thanks Steve On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:37 PM, STEVE LANE wrote: > OK guys, I found these switches new at a military supplier. They only had 3 > so I boughty them. I am hoping that they will work. According to the > military supply spec sheet they were manufactured in 1974. I am going to > install them and see if they work. > > Steve > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM, STEVE LANE wrote: > >> I have been reading that manual. Especially the sequence of operations. It >> is the side 1 switch that is bad. Whenever I actuate the switch, the relays >> start ratcheting. The side 2 switch might be ok but it gets it's power >> through the side 1 switch. I was going to replace them both if they are >> available. I sent emails to a couple of the sources that you mentioned. I >> already had heard back from a couple of them before (Durfee and Butterfield) >> that they do not have them. I also had sent inquiries to others that haven't >> gotten back to me yet. I'll give it a few days and maybe something will pan >> out. Thanks >> >> Steve >> >> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 12:09 PM, James Alexander < >> jalexandercc@netzero.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Steve: >>> >>> Before you begin chasing for new readout microswitches,see your service >>> manual RE: the mechanical alignment and positioning of these switches. >>> Positioning for correct operation is critical. Switch contacts also make in >>> the "normal" position--the 2 switches are wired in series with each >>> other,you may need only one. >>> >>> The odd and even side switches are slightly different from each other >>> mechanically and do not interchange. >>> >>> These switches are made by Microswitch (now Honeywell) and new exact >>> replacements are not being manufactured.In my opinion, you should find >>> replacements from a salvaged Wurlamatic model record changer. New version >>> microswitches can be adapted to work, but it's a job fitting them. >>> Wurlamatics were used for 3400-3500-3600-3700-3800-7500-1050 model >>> jukeboxes,and should be plentiful. >>> >>> The nationally known parts salvage companies are Durfee Coin op in MA. ( >>> www.jukeboxparts.com) Bill Butterfield in CA. (www.jukebox-parts.com) >>> Victory Glass in IA. has some OEM parts (www.victoryglass.com) and >>> so does Vern Tisdale in AZ. (www.verntisdale.com) There is a poster >>> on this list, John Robertson in Vancouver BC (www.flippers.com) that may >>> have old US Wurl parts to sell, not sure. >>> If none of these pan out, contact me off list and I can point you to some >>> other parts providers that do not want to be nationally known. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Jim Alexander >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Doctoral Degrees Online >>> Explore our directory of degrees. Move ahead with a Doctorate Degree! >>> >>> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=KamX-qnviv_dbwOq4XS00QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAALx0kz4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkSEAAAAAA= >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >> >> > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 12 18:58:03 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 12 19:02:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The irritating Seeburg SS-160 Message-ID: <20091212.215803.11434.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hello John: I'm glad to hear that you have the manual. There are a few tests that you need to run on the complete machine before we determine that you have a malfunctioning tormat chassis. There's a good possibility the "scans twice and shuts off" problem can be outside of the TCC chassis. Let me know when you're ready to do this and I'll walk you through it. You will need to open up the back panel of the machine so that you can see the tormat memory bank and the contact block at the rear base of the record rack. Plan to have about an hours' time available. Make sure all fuses are good in the tormat chassis. A blown fuse can cause the symtom you're getting. You'll also need to have hand tools, a VOM, some alligator clip leads and a 1.5 volt C battery. At the conclusion of the tests, we'll able to tell whether you're non-selection problem is in the the mechanism, the keyboard, or the tormat chassis. We might get lucky and solve it right there. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Online Loan Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=oXnDyQu9ac0ZiV-X_aWoWwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQZAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 12 19:37:40 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 12 19:40:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record maga z ine assembly Message-ID: <20091212.223740.28664.2@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hello Steve: I'm glad you were able to solve your microswitch read out problem. Yes, the mechanical positioning for the switches is critical. If you go to www.pinballrebel.com, you will ne to open a few file tabs to get to the free 45 RPM titlestrip printing program there. You'll see they've got several format choices. If your PC is equipped to run Microsoft Word and you have a color printer, the titlestrip programs from Marcos Roos are the best ones there. Nice retro artwork too. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Online Loan Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=UKMmXo2C204JnG5S-JcCnQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQZAAAAAA= From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Dec 12 19:43:32 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Sat Dec 12 19:45:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record magaz ine assembly In-Reply-To: <61088cf90912121849o57d7fcf6o22d236915a489f27@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091114.150901.17974.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com><61088cf90911141531rf1e1125g221da678768b848f@mail.gmail.com><61088cf90911181737o78a86fd9w4d15ba25bdbc8dcc@mail.gmail.com> <61088cf90912121849o57d7fcf6o22d236915a489f27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3FE8A16332E54B929307AE169A396BAB@p4> Steve , Many commercial apps available to print title strips. Check Always Jukin' or Ebay. There are also a many free sites. One of the easiest...shameless plug to follow....is Kens site at http://pinballrebel.com Just look for the link to title strips. A Google search will turn up a few. If you have trouble, contact me off list and I will send you links. I have been printing my strips on overhead transparency lately and they turn out great. Just have to remember to set printer to mirror so they print out backwards on the printable side of the film. That makes them appear correct on the finished side. Another printing tip, make sure your printer is set to print Actual Size and not scaled to fit the page. Improperly set will make them to small and will fall out of the title strip holders. Also print on heavier card stock and not copy paper. A ream at WallyWorld will run you less that $5. Good luck. Have fun Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of STEVE LANE Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:49 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3500 Zodiac Will not run the record magaz ine assembly I finally had the time this weekend to install the new switches. They were correct and the jukebox is working great! I had to dial them in a little bit as far as adjustments go, but the juke is playing very well now. I need to print out some labels to match the 45's I have. What is the preferred program for doing this? Thanks Steve On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:37 PM, STEVE LANE wrote: > OK guys, I found these switches new at a military supplier. They only had 3 > so I boughty them. I am hoping that they will work. According to the > military supply spec sheet they were manufactured in 1974. I am going to > install them and see if they work. > > Steve > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM, STEVE LANE wrote: > >> I have been reading that manual. Especially the sequence of operations. It >> is the side 1 switch that is bad. Whenever I actuate the switch, the relays >> start ratcheting. The side 2 switch might be ok but it gets it's power >> through the side 1 switch. I was going to replace them both if they are >> available. I sent emails to a couple of the sources that you mentioned. I >> already had heard back from a couple of them before (Durfee and Butterfield) >> that they do not have them. I also had sent inquiries to others that haven't >> gotten back to me yet. I'll give it a few days and maybe something will pan >> out. Thanks >> >> Steve >> >> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 12:09 PM, James Alexander < >> jalexandercc@netzero.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Steve: >>> >>> Before you begin chasing for new readout microswitches,see your service >>> manual RE: the mechanical alignment and positioning of these switches. >>> Positioning for correct operation is critical. Switch contacts also make in >>> the "normal" position--the 2 switches are wired in series with each >>> other,you may need only one. >>> >>> The odd and even side switches are slightly different from each other >>> mechanically and do not interchange. >>> >>> These switches are made by Microswitch (now Honeywell) and new exact >>> replacements are not being manufactured.In my opinion, you should find >>> replacements from a salvaged Wurlamatic model record changer. New version >>> microswitches can be adapted to work, but it's a job fitting them. >>> Wurlamatics were used for 3400-3500-3600-3700-3800-7500-1050 model >>> jukeboxes,and should be plentiful. >>> >>> The nationally known parts salvage companies are Durfee Coin op in MA. ( >>> www.jukeboxparts.com) Bill Butterfield in CA. (www.jukebox-parts.com) >>> Victory Glass in IA. has some OEM parts (www.victoryglass.com) and >>> so does Vern Tisdale in AZ. (www.verntisdale.com) There is a poster >>> on this list, John Robertson in Vancouver BC (www.flippers.com) that may >>> have old US Wurl parts to sell, not sure. >>> If none of these pan out, contact me off list and I can point you to some >>> other parts providers that do not want to be nationally known. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Jim Alexander >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Doctoral Degrees Online >>> Explore our directory of degrees. Move ahead with a Doctorate Degree! >>> >>> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=KamX-qnviv_dbwOq4XS00QAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAQAAAAFAAAAALx0kz4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkSEAAAAAA= >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.105/2561 - Release Date: 12/12/09 13:39:00 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 12 19:53:08 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 12 19:57:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? Message-ID: <20091212.225308.28664.3@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Jackie: The DiscWasher was designed for use with vinyl 45's and LP's. I've had great results with it. I've never tried using with shellac 78's. Until I saw a few of the later posts in the string, I didn't know you were referring to older 78's. I've heard of someone recommending to wash 78 RPM records in their dishwasher, using the cold water cycle. Maybe this will clean the record surface, one would think the water would ruin the labels. For whatever it's worth my favorite technique for cleaning really dirty records (any speed) is to have 3 soft terycloth washcloths cloth #1 is wet with warm water, loaded with hand soap (Dial, Ivory etc) Cloth # 2 is equally wet, water only. cloth # 3 is dry. Go over record grooves in a circular motion with soapy water cloth-- Go over record grooves in circular motion with warm water--get soap esidue out of the grooves Go over record grooves with dry soft cloth,removing the moisture. Record can now be treated with the DiscWasher, if desired. It's a slow process,but this really clears up surface noise on old 78's and as-found 45's. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=CtPz40orvjbPBsq-iUgbMwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From aaron at vertasource.com Sat Dec 12 20:12:38 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Sat Dec 12 20:14:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT..mostly for Ron R. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congrats Jackie!!! Isn't it horrible when a jukebox is "almost" restored? I absolutely love my Trashcan...and yes... it's loaded with some great Christmas music. The one that gets a lot of play is "Santa Clause Is Riding the Trail" by Dick Haymes. Because...as you may know... Santa was really once a cowboy but his doctor told him that the dry hot climate of the west wasn't good for his complexion. Thus, the North Pole. Santa is a man of extremes. Aaron On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Hi to all, > I am happy to report that the SeeburgTrashcan will soon have side top > plastics and the Animation!!! YIpee! IT's my Christmas present this year > from my husband and I am sooo excited..should be here by end of the week...I > hope you all have your Jukes loaded with beautiful Holiday music and maybe > even a new Jukebox or two around the house, Happy Holidays to all, > Jackie_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Dec 12 20:16:28 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 12 20:18:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: <20091212.225308.28664.3@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091212.225308.28664.3@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC49C22D8B3B33-920-23722@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com> Brillianize, Brillianize, Brillianize. -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 9:53 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? Jackie: The DiscWasher was designed for use with vinyl 45's and LP's. I've had great results with it. I've never tried using with shellac 78's. Until I saw a few of the later posts in the string, I didn't know you were referring to older 78's. I've heard of someone recommending to wash 78 RPM records in their dishwasher, using the cold water cycle. Maybe this will clean the record surface, one would think the water would ruin the labels. For whatever it's worth my favorite technique for cleaning really dirty records (any speed) is to have 3 soft terycloth washcloths cloth #1 is wet with warm water, loaded with hand soap (Dial, Ivory etc) Cloth # 2 is equally wet, water only. cloth # 3 is dry. Go over record grooves in a circular motion with soapy water cloth-- Go over record grooves in circular motion with warm water--get soap esidue out of the grooves Go over record grooves with dry soft cloth,removing the moisture. Record can now be treated with the DiscWasher, if desired. It's a slow process,but this really clears up surface noise on old 78's and as-found 45's. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=CtPz40orvjbPBsq-iUgbMwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Dec 12 20:18:50 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 12 20:20:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The irritating Seeburg SS-160 In-Reply-To: <20091212.215803.11434.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091212.215803.11434.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CC49C281FB850C-920-2375A@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com> Like I said, Jim, the machine had done this once or twice in the past, but now it's permanent. I'll be contacting you off list. -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 8:58 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] The irritating Seeburg SS-160 Hello John: I'm glad to hear that you have the manual. There are a few tests that you need to run on the complete machine before we determine that you have a malfunctioning tormat chassis. There's a good possibility the "scans twice and shuts off" problem can be outside of the TCC chassis. Let me know when you're ready to do this and I'll walk you through it. You will need to open up the back panel of the machine so that you can see the tormat memory bank and the contact block at the rear base of the record rack. Plan to have about an hours' time available. Make sure all fuses are good in the tormat chassis. A blown fuse can cause the symtom you're getting. You'll also need to have hand tools, a VOM, some alligator clip leads and a 1.5 volt C battery. At the conclusion of the tests, we'll able to tell whether you're non-selection problem is in the the mechanism, the keyboard, or the tormat chassis. We might get lucky and solve it right there. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Online Loan Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=oXnDyQu9ac0ZiV-X_aWoWwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQZAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Dec 12 20:21:48 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 12 20:23:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 460 Problem and DS100 ear speaker question. In-Reply-To: <738602.70492.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC49C2EBD109EF-920-2379B@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com> I remember Charlie telling me to use WD-40 on my Starlet gripper arm back in the day but I sure don't remember him telling me to spray the hell out of anything. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 8:36 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 460 Problem and DS100 ear speaker question. Rick, Don't sound like the "RockOlaCharlie" I knew either !! On the ear speaker--got the parts books??--look up the numbers--if the numbers are the same, the speaker was the same--and I may know of a guy who still has some-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/12/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 460 Problem and DS100 ear speaker question. To: "jukebox list" Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 5:52 PM I'm trying to help a gent out who owns a 460. Apparently sometime ago he claims Charlie Maier told him to "spray the hell out" of the search unit with WD-40. Well for starters that doesn't sound like the Charlie Maier that I knew, and it looks like he sprayed WD 40 everywhere. What a mess! Short time later he said a puff of smoke came from either the read in or write out red cube relay and then 3rd button stayed down when making a selection and now it blows the 24 VAC breaker. I looked underneath and the search motor is dripping with WD-40. If I manually pull a pin, it goes and plays no problem. When using the pushbutton selector as soon as you press 3rd digit, search motor moves for a split second then kicks the breaker. Is it possible the wd 40 got into the search motor and has shorted it out? Following the sequence of operation via the manual, this appears to be the only part that does not work. Any Ideas? Thanks Rick P.S. Jim, thanks for the info on the DS100 ear speaker. Now that you mention it, i think thatr speaker was used in LPC 480's up on top. I'm going to try MCM electronics for a replacement, and you are correct it has a pretty hefty magnet on it for a little one. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Dec 12 20:23:37 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 12 20:25:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: <790436.1097.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC49C32D493B4F-920-237E0@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com> When cleaning 78s I use Brillianize and a toothbrush. When cleaning 45s I use Brillianize and an all-cotton cloth. -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? I've said this before but I'll say it again. One of the best ways to clean all records (except Edison Diamond Dics) is to use a paint-pad (the type with bristles that stick straight out) and a solution of Kodak Photo-Flo wetting agent mixed just as the instructions say for film. Dunk the paint pad in the solution, and move it back and forth across the record, in the direction of the groove, as you rotate the record 2-3 times with your other hand. Then rinse in clean water, pat dry and leave in a rack to air dry. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Sat Dec 12 20:34:07 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Sat Dec 12 20:35:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For 78s, I use dish soap and a brush that I picked up at Target for cleaning vegetables...like mushrooms. It has incredibly soft and fine bristles and works great for getting out the grey dust that those old shellac records are plagued with. For 45s, I use a window cleaner like Windex with a soft cloth. Works great as long as I don't go near the label. Ever since I put together my "dream" vintage stereo system, I picked up one of those Discwasher D3 cleaning systems. Works great on 45s in addition to 33s. I'd like to see that Spin Cleaner in action though. Jackie, is there any chemical at work in the cleaning or is it strictly water? Aaron On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > While I am reading the posts, I wanted to comment on a Record Cleaner I > bought a couple weeks ago. I had been washing my records with a very soft > brush with dish soap and water...seemed to work pretty well. I found a Spin > Cleaner that cleans 45's, 331/3 and 78's. I wonder if anyone else on the > list has used it before. I have been really pleased with it and notice > there is MUCH less background noise. I can get about 50 records done before > I have to change the water. > Jackie_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 12 20:49:33 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 12 20:52:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 460 Problem and DS100 ear speaker question. Message-ID: <20091212.234933.26291.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Rick: I had reason to go back into my old Seeburg service books today, so I looked up the DS160 ear speaker info that you needed: The part numbers for the complete speaker in the cabinet are right side Seeburg # 486960 left side Seeburg # 486961 the speaker driver is a 16 ohm, 20 W rated 5" x 7" size speaker, not a 3 x 5" size. No part # given for the speaker itself. It will be hard to find a new 16 ohm speaker--most of these car speaker sizes are 4 ohm voice coils. The repl. speaker that you buy can be a single cone or a coaxial model (better hi freq response) but it should be model that has a folded paper surround or a cloth composite surround. Stay away from speakers with weighted cones, and foam edge surrounds. speaker EIA sensitivity 1 watt @ 1 meter should be approx. 90-93 db. Numbers down in the 80's are not a good match for this application. If you have to buy 4 ohm speakers, I would install a 12 or 15 ohm 10 watt resistor in series with the voice coil so the Seeburg amp doesn't see a mismatch. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=OuG7HDRHz6xUn5zq3JiUwQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 12 21:09:10 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 12 21:12:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? Message-ID: <20091213.000910.26291.2@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I think we're talking about two different record cleaners here. Discwasher (it's now D4) is a liquid chemical cleaner and a special applicator brush that is applied with to a record while it revolves on your phono turntable. Distributed by RCA. The whole Discwasher D4 kit costs about $15. A D4 fluid refill costs about $4. At Amazon. com or DJ supply stores. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=HJMLH4MCxozlLIVveR4qFAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= From russodue at earthlink.net Sat Dec 12 20:01:58 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Sun Dec 13 00:01:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? Message-ID: <33022834.1260676918699.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In the process of engineering a 45 cleaner. Will clean and vaccum both sides simulatiously. hehe -----Original Message----- >From: James Alexander >Sent: Dec 12, 2009 9:53 PM >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? > > > >Jackie: > >The DiscWasher was designed for use with vinyl 45's and LP's. I've had great results with it. I've never tried using with shellac 78's. Until I saw a few of the later posts in the string, I didn't know you were referring to older 78's. > >I've heard of someone recommending to wash 78 RPM records in their dishwasher, using the cold water cycle. Maybe this will clean the record surface, one would think the water would ruin the labels. > >For whatever it's worth my favorite technique for cleaning really dirty records (any speed) is to have 3 soft terycloth washcloths cloth #1 is wet with warm water, loaded with hand soap (Dial, Ivory etc) Cloth # 2 is equally wet, water only. cloth # 3 is dry. > >Go over record grooves in a circular motion with soapy water cloth-- > >Go over record grooves in circular motion with warm water--get soap esidue out of the grooves > >Go over record grooves with dry soft cloth,removing the moisture. > >Record can now be treated with the DiscWasher, if desired. It's a slow process,but this really clears up surface noise on old 78's and as-found 45's. > >Jim Alexander > > >____________________________________________________________ >Nutrition >Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! >http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=CtPz40orvjbPBsq-iUgbMwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Dec 13 06:30:13 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sun Dec 13 06:32:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: <790436.1097.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <790436.1097.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David, I believe this is the concept for the Record Spin Cleaner. The burshes are similar to what you describe and you just spin the record by hand so you can only go in the direction of the grooves. I will check the ingredients of the cleaner. I love the system because of the speed in which I can get it done. It cleans both side at the same time. I've been bad about keeping my 33's clean so this has motivated me to start working on the hundreds that i haven't done! Merry Christmas! Jackie On Dec 12, 2009, at 8:20 PM, David Breneman wrote: > > I've said this before but I'll say it again. One of the best > ways to clean all records (except Edison Diamond Dics) is to > use a paint-pad (the type with bristles that stick straight > out) and a solution of Kodak Photo-Flo wetting agent mixed > just as the instructions say for film. Dunk the paint pad > in the solution, and move it back and forth across the record, > in the direction of the groove, as you rotate the record 2-3 > times with your other hand. Then rinse in clean water, pat > dry and leave in a rack to air dry. > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Dec 13 06:22:54 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sun Dec 13 07:26:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: <3AD91C1A-0596-42F4-908D-B9D5A5F3D074@aol.com> References: <3AD91C1A-0596-42F4-908D-B9D5A5F3D074@aol.com> Message-ID: <53D05989-32F2-4A2A-ABDF-CB6B22FA8E01@verizon.net> John, thanks for the link...I will check it out. I see no reason I couldn't put the brillianize in the record cleaner...I will let you know the results, Have a wonderful holiday! Jackie On Dec 12, 2009, at 5:55 PM, John Hayes wrote: > www.brillianize.com > > > I swear by this stuff. > > > > On Dec 12, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> While I am reading the posts, I wanted to comment on a Record Cleaner I bought a couple weeks ago. I had been washing my records with a very soft brush with dish soap and water...seemed to work pretty well. I found a Spin Cleaner that cleans 45's, 331/3 and 78's. I wonder if anyone else on the list has used it before. I have been really pleased with it and notice there is MUCH less background noise. I can get about 50 records done before I have to change the water. >> Jackie_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sun Dec 13 08:12:10 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 13 08:14:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: <53D05989-32F2-4A2A-ABDF-CB6B22FA8E01@verizon.net> References: <3AD91C1A-0596-42F4-908D-B9D5A5F3D074@aol.com> <53D05989-32F2-4A2A-ABDF-CB6B22FA8E01@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8CC4A2628BC2C88-1770-27A7D@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> Well, i sure like the stuff. I put 78s on an old industrial strength Caliphone turntable, spray on some Brillianize, use a toothbrush, and scrub away. VG- copies are very often brought around to VG+ or even better. Not much you can do about grey grooves but dirt and grime are gently and effectively cleaned away. -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Elgie To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, Dec 13, 2009 8:22 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? John, thanks for the link...I will check it out. I see no reason I couldn't put the brillianize in the record cleaner...I will let you know the results, Have a wonderful holiday! Jackie On Dec 12, 2009, at 5:55 PM, John Hayes wrote: > www.brillianize.com > > > I swear by this stuff. > > > > On Dec 12, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> While I am reading the posts, I wanted to comment on a Record Cleaner I bought a couple weeks ago. I had been washing my records with a very soft brush with dish soap and water...seemed to work pretty well. I found a Spin Cleaner that cleans 45's, 331/3 and 78's. I wonder if anyone else on the list has used it before. I have been really pleased with it and notice there is MUCH less background noise. I can get about 50 records done before I have to change the water. >> Jackie_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 13 08:52:51 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 13 08:54:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 460 Problem and DS100 ear speaker question. In-Reply-To: <20091212.234933.26291.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <648915.29384.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Rick' Sorry but those part numbers won't tell you what you need to know--those are for the ASSEMBLY--not the speaker itself. What you need would be the "bare speaker" part numbers to compare. That may be impossible to obtain, as Seeburg MAY have used exactly the same speaker for both apps, but have ordered them from the speaker company wit a slight variation--such as a hole punched for mounting a cap--or not-- and assigned a new number to the same speaker to denote the minor change. I did not look them up, but I'll bet that the two "bare" DS speakers carry the same part number-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/12/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 460 Problem and DS100 ear speaker question. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 8:49 PM Rick: I had reason to go back into my old Seeburg service books today, so I looked up the DS160 ear speaker info that you needed: The part numbers for the complete speaker in the cabinet are right side? ? Seeburg #? 486960 left side? ? Seeburg???#???486961 the speaker driver is a 16 ohm, 20 W rated 5" x 7" size speaker, not a 3 x 5" size. No part # given for the speaker itself. It will be hard to find a new 16 ohm speaker--most of these car speaker sizes are 4 ohm voice coils.? The repl. speaker that you buy can be a single cone or a coaxial model? (better hi freq response) but it should be model that has a folded paper surround or a cloth composite surround.???Stay away from speakers with weighted cones, and foam edge surrounds.???speaker EIA sensitivity? 1 watt @ 1 meter should be approx. 90-93 db.???Numbers down in the 80's are not a good match for this application.? If you have to buy 4 ohm speakers, I would install a 12 or 15 ohm 10 watt resistor in series with the voice coil so the Seeburg amp doesn't see a mismatch.? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=OuG7HDRHz6xUn5zq3JiUwQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Dec 13 09:12:47 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Dec 13 09:14:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: <8CC4A2628BC2C88-1770-27A7D@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <696006.45521.qm@web112107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I've never heard of Brillianize. What's in it? Is it available around the US? David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 13 09:48:39 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 13 09:50:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: <696006.45521.qm@web112107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <531599.66984.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Could it be a "figment of his remaganation" ?? Probably not-- I don't know--but like I said--I never wash records?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/13/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 9:12 AM I've never heard of Brillianize.? What's in it?? Is it available around the US? David Breneman? ? ? ???david_breneman@yahoo.com ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sun Dec 13 10:06:11 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 13 10:08:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: <531599.66984.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC4A361654F278-54E8-891@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> www.brillianize.com I swear by it. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:48 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? Could it be a "figment of his remaganation" ?? Probably not-- I don't know--but like I said--I never wash records Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/13/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 9:12 AM I've never heard of Brillianize. What's in it? Is it available around the US? David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 13 10:58:56 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 13 11:00:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: <8CC4A361654F278-54E8-891@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <621122.42380.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, I think, if I'm not mistaken that you said that--once or twice, or more--- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/13/09, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 10:06 AM www.brillianize.com I swear by it. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:48 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? Could it be a "figment of his remaganation" ?? Probably not-- I don't know--but like I said--I never wash records???Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/13/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 9:12 AM I've never heard of Brillianize.? What's in it?? Is it available around the US? David Breneman? ? ? ???david_breneman@yahoo.com ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From tjreesenc at aol.com Sat Dec 12 07:30:48 2009 From: tjreesenc at aol.com (tjreesenc@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 13 11:38:59 2009 Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] 2810 wurlitzer Message-ID: <12f5.35f8c6bd.38551128@aol.com> Ron, Just bought a WURLITZER model 2810....buttons don't work...to play I have to open bottom back and push a bottom on the wheel to make it play...what is wrong? THANKS FOR YOUR HELP, Tom From jay at west.net Sun Dec 13 11:57:17 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Dec 13 11:58:57 2009 Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] 2810 wurlitzer In-Reply-To: <12f5.35f8c6bd.38551128@aol.com> References: <12f5.35f8c6bd.38551128@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B25471D.50107@west.net> tjreesenc@aol.com wrote: > Ron, Just bought a WURLITZER model 2810....buttons don't work...to play I > have to open bottom back > and push a bottom on the wheel to make it play...what is wrong? Did you try inserting a coin first? :-) If so, it sounds as if the problem is in the credit section. It could be any of several things. If you have the service manual there should be a troubleshooting guide in it. If you don't have one, you should get one as it will come in handy, help you fix things yourself, and also help you understand the terminology in discussions like this one. Typical problems are a coin switch getting stuck that blows a small fuse or trips a circuit breaker in the "Playrak" credit accumulator. This is a small box with a swing-out door near the coin box. The coin switches plug in to it. Do coins drop all the way through into the coin box or coin return? Take the coin mechanism out and examine the small switch fingers underneath it. Do they move freely and come back to horizontal? Open the front dome. There should be a small slide switch near the center between the letter and number buttons. Push it, can you now make a selection from the keyboard? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Dec 13 12:03:06 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Dec 13 12:05:57 2009 Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] 2810 wurlitzer Message-ID: <20091213.150306.23912.2@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> At this point,from your description there could be a number of problems. To make the keyboard operate, there has to be a credit established on the machine. What happens if you deposit a quarter, dime or nickel? Is there any indicator lights on in the red window between the letter/number keys? Looking in rear of meachine on lower left side wall, there is a playrak chassis. This is the credit accumulator. Look for blown fuses and replace with the correct value--do not oversize them. Next to the credit accumulator is the coin rejector. Swing the rejector open and look for stuck or jammed coins. There is a coin switch assembly on the rejector that plugs into the playrak using a 5 pin connector. Make sure switch contacts are clean and operating. There can be other problems causing the symptom you are describing, but these are the first items to check. Good luck in your troubleshooting, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Bad Credit Loan Need cash? Apply now for a credit loan with fast approval. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=QXU-Uxnb0QjW4dvbBfp-fwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQaQAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Dec 13 12:14:42 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Dec 13 12:17:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: [jukebox list] Seeb DS100-160 HF spkrs. Message-ID: <20091213.151442.23912.3@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Guys: The DS160 (DS100?) service manual only gives the info I gave you--no part number for the raw-frame spkr driver. This is why I wrote out a tech description if you are checking old Seeburg speaker stock or are trying to line up a new equivalent. It is a 16 ohm 5" x 7" speaker, which will be difficult to find---not a very common value. I got the spkr info from the schematic and jukebox specifications pages of the manual. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xUBOSDPviaPqt92FruToTQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com Sun Dec 13 12:20:30 2009 From: henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com (=?windows-1252?Q?Henrik_Niinim=E4ki?=) Date: Sun Dec 13 12:33:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2300 wurlitzer, wowwing while playing In-Reply-To: <20091213.150306.23912.2@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091213.150306.23912.2@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4B254C8E.6080608@luukku.com> I have Wurlitzer 2300 which is working well and the sound is good but it is wowwing when playing. The speed is ok ( so this not 50Hz/ 60 Hz problem) but I think the speed of the record is changing a little so the sounds are every round a little bit "out of tune". I tried with another motor and it helped a little bit but still it is wowwing ( I don?t know the right word for that thing). Rubber ring is also good. What might be the problem. I have tried to put oil to all axels etc. What might help. This is probably quite common problem with Wurlitzers?? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 13 12:35:15 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 13 12:36:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: [jukebox list] Seeb DS100-160 HF spkrs. In-Reply-To: <20091213.151442.23912.3@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <834818.84977.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guys, Just in case you find some "Seeburg speakers" some where, the "raw" number for the speaker used in "DS ears" is 486988, and it (should be) stamped on the speaker. The 6x9's used in the LPC-480 and the SS-160 have different "raw" numbers, so I would assume they are not the same--somehow--? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/13/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: [jukebox list] Seeb DS100-160 HF spkrs. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:14 PM Guys: The DS160 (DS100?) service manual only gives the info I gave you--no part number for the raw-frame spkr driver.? This is why I wrote out a tech description if you are checking old Seeburg speaker stock or are trying to line up a new equivalent.???It is a 16 ohm 5" x 7" speaker, which will be difficult to find---not a very common value. I got the spkr info from the schematic and jukebox specifications pages of the manual. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xUBOSDPviaPqt92FruToTQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 13 12:39:49 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 13 12:41:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2300 wurlitzer, wowwing while playing In-Reply-To: <4B254C8E.6080608@luukku.com> Message-ID: <995844.87263.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Henrik, Not usually--if the wrong size rubber ring is installed it can cause this, or if the record is "rubbing" on something ??? Or the motor mounts are "bad" ?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: From: Henrik Niinim?ki Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2300 wurlitzer, wowwing while playing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:20 PM I have Wurlitzer 2300 which is working well and the sound is good but it is wowwing when playing. The speed is ok ( so this not 50Hz/ 60 Hz problem) but I think the speed of the record is changing a little so the sounds are every round a little bit "out of tune". I tried with another motor and it helped a little bit but still it is wowwing ( I don?t know the right word for that thing). Rubber ring is also good. What might be the problem. I have tried to put oil to all axels etc. What might help. This is probably quite common problem with Wurlitzers?? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From nigel.tyrell at btinternet.com Sun Dec 13 12:42:41 2009 From: nigel.tyrell at btinternet.com (Nigel Tyrell) Date: Sun Dec 13 12:50:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J200 Gripper Arm Problem Message-ID: <002701ca7c34$d10ec470$732c4d50$@tyrell@btinternet.com> Hi, I have a J200 that's worked fine for years, but recently the gripper arm keeps getting jammed as the record is returned to the magazine. It seems to be connected to the toggle mechanism slipping from the state that the toggle shifting solenoids have set. I'm assuming the toggle solenoids only shift the toggle direction and then turn off (rather than staying on to hold the toggled position?). I can't see what would hold the toggled position when the solenoids aren't activated. The weight of the gripper arm seems to move the toggle and then jams the gripper arms as it tries to return the record to the magazine or places it on the turntable. Thanks for you time. Nigel From henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com Sun Dec 13 12:59:18 2009 From: henrik.niinimaki at luukku.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Henrik_Niinim=E4ki?=) Date: Sun Dec 13 13:01:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2300 wurlitzer, wowwing while playing In-Reply-To: <995844.87263.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <995844.87263.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B2555A6.3070205@luukku.com> It is having the same problem with all records. But motor mountings are really bad. Can I buy new ones from somewhere?? And what there should be, is somewhere pictures of those in the net?? Ron Rich kirjoitti: > Henrik, > Not usually--if the wrong size rubber ring is installed it can cause this, or if the record is "rubbing" on something ?? Or the motor mounts are "bad" ?? Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: > > From: Henrik Niinim?ki > Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2300 wurlitzer, wowwing while playing > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:20 PM > > I have Wurlitzer 2300 which is working well and the sound is good but it is wowwing when playing. The speed is ok ( so this not 50Hz/ 60 Hz problem) but I think the speed of the record is changing a little so the sounds are every round a little bit "out of tune". I tried with another motor and it helped a little bit but still it is wowwing ( I don?t know the right word for that thing). Rubber ring is also good. What might be the problem. I have tried to put oil to all axels etc. What might help. This is probably quite common problem with Wurlitzers?? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jay at west.net Sun Dec 13 13:03:22 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Dec 13 13:05:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2300 wurlitzer, wowwing while playing In-Reply-To: <4B254C8E.6080608@luukku.com> References: <20091213.150306.23912.2@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> <4B254C8E.6080608@luukku.com> Message-ID: <4B25569A.1050205@west.net> Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: > I have Wurlitzer 2300 which is working well and the sound is good but it > is wowwing when playing. The speed is ok ( so this not 50Hz/ 60 Hz > problem) but I think the speed of the record is changing a little so the > sounds are every round a little bit "out of tune". I tried with another > motor and it helped a little bit but still it is wowwing ( I don?t know > the right word for that thing). Rubber ring is also good. What might be > the problem. I have tried to put oil to all axels etc. What might help. > This is probably quite common problem with Wurlitzers?? All records or just some? It could be an off-center record or a problem with the clamp mechanism. Does the tonearm swing back and forth when this happens? Remove the belts and turn the flywheel by hand. Does it spin freely or is there uneven drag? There is an oil hole at the top of the turntable shaft, a few drops there may fix it. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 13 15:02:21 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 13 15:03:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2300 wurlitzer, wowwing while playing In-Reply-To: <4B2555A6.3070205@luukku.com> Message-ID: <199007.77000.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Where in the world are you ? --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: From: Henrik Niinim?ki Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 2300 wurlitzer, wowwing while playing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:59 PM It is having the same problem with all records. But motor mountings are really bad. Can I buy new ones from somewhere?? And what there should be, is somewhere pictures of those in the net?? Ron Rich kirjoitti: > Henrik, > Not usually--if the wrong size rubber ring is installed it can cause this, or if the record is "rubbing" on something ??? Or the motor mounts are "bad" ?? Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Henrik Niinim?ki wrote: > > From: Henrik Niinim?ki > Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2300 wurlitzer, wowwing while playing > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:20 PM > > I have Wurlitzer 2300 which is working well and the sound is good but it is wowwing when playing. The speed is ok ( so this not 50Hz/ 60 Hz problem) but I think the speed of the record is changing a little so the sounds are every round a little bit "out of tune". I tried with another motor and it helped a little bit but still it is wowwing ( I don?t know the right word for that thing). Rubber ring is also good. What might be the problem. I have tried to put oil to all axels etc. What might help. This is probably quite common problem with Wurlitzers?? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > >? ? ??? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 13 15:32:03 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Sun Dec 13 15:33:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J200 Gripper Arm Problem References: <002701ca7c34$d10ec470$732c4d50$@tyrell@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6D104916F7554780B5ABCFF99DD1F79F@dirksen> There is a little cam and piece of spring steel that holds the position once shifted You should be able to move the toggle mechanism by hand and feel it snap into position. Unfortunately, it's dead center underneath the main casting that the gripper assembly is mounted to. This casting must be removed to get to it. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Tyrell" To: Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J200 Gripper Arm Problem > Hi, > > I have a J200 that's worked fine for years, but recently the gripper arm > keeps getting jammed as the record is returned to the magazine. It seems > to > be connected to the toggle mechanism slipping from the state that the > toggle > shifting solenoids have set. I'm assuming the toggle solenoids only shift > the toggle direction and then turn off (rather than staying on to hold the > toggled position?). I can't see what would hold the toggled position when > the solenoids aren't activated. The weight of the gripper arm seems to > move > the toggle and then jams the gripper arms as it tries to return the record > to the magazine or places it on the turntable. > > Thanks for you time. > > Nigel > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.105/2562 - Release Date: 12/13/09 02:39:00 From pinball at telus.net Sun Dec 13 16:30:47 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Dec 13 16:32:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J200 Gripper Arm Problem In-Reply-To: <002701ca7c34$d10ec470$732c4d50$@tyrell@btinternet.com> References: <002701ca7c34$d10ec470$732c4d50$@tyrell@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4B258737.1080506@telus.net> Nigel Tyrell wrote: > Hi, > > I have a J200 that's worked fine for years, but recently the gripper arm > keeps getting jammed as the record is returned to the magazine. It seems to > be connected to the toggle mechanism slipping from the state that the toggle > shifting solenoids have set. I'm assuming the toggle solenoids only shift > the toggle direction and then turn off (rather than staying on to hold the > toggled position?). I can't see what would hold the toggled position when > the solenoids aren't activated. The weight of the gripper arm seems to move > the toggle and then jams the gripper arms as it tries to return the record > to the magazine or places it on the turntable. > > Thanks for you time. > > Nigel > > Hi Nigel, I have a number of pictures and some instructions for dealing with the gripper assembly: http://www.flippers.com/ami-rowe.html I also recommend you considering dismantling the assembly to remove the dried up oil/grease that sill likely make the movement very gummy... My Rock-ola page shows taking apart the Rock gripper, which is very similar to the AMI - not sure which copied who! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sun Dec 13 17:01:40 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sun Dec 13 17:08:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J200 Gripper Arm Problem References: <002701ca7c34$d10ec470$732c4d50$@tyrell@btinternet.com> <6D104916F7554780B5ABCFF99DD1F79F@dirksen> Message-ID: <126CF300D51B4C67A07F73EB0612E6DD@Graeme> As Jim advised the spring steel clip will need to be accessed from under the gripper bow. You will find the original grease has become hard and sticky not allowing the spring to snap back and forth. This has to be degreased and re lubricated. On the later models the toggle spring clip was moved for easy access. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Dirksen Family" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI J200 Gripper Arm Problem > There is a little cam and piece of spring steel that holds the position > once shifted You should be able to move the toggle mechanism by hand and > feel it snap into position. Unfortunately, it's dead center underneath the > main casting that the gripper assembly is mounted to. This casting must be > removed to get to it. Good luck, > > Jim Dirksen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nigel Tyrell" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:42 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J200 Gripper Arm Problem > > >> Hi, >> >> I have a J200 that's worked fine for years, but recently the gripper arm >> keeps getting jammed as the record is returned to the magazine. It seems >> to >> be connected to the toggle mechanism slipping from the state that the >> toggle >> shifting solenoids have set. I'm assuming the toggle solenoids only shift >> the toggle direction and then turn off (rather than staying on to hold >> the >> toggled position?). I can't see what would hold the toggled position when >> the solenoids aren't activated. The weight of the gripper arm seems to >> move >> the toggle and then jams the gripper arms as it tries to return the >> record >> to the magazine or places it on the turntable. >> >> Thanks for you time. >> >> Nigel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.105/2562 - Release Date: > 12/13/09 02:39:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Dec 13 17:41:09 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Dec 13 17:44:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2300 wurlitzer, wowwing while playing Message-ID: <20091213.204109.17483.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Henrik: To answer your questions about record-speed wow in your W2300 jukebox. Record speed on this machine is normally very accurate when working properly. Things to look for that will cause wow-flutter problems: Turntable belt size, turntable belt model, and cleanliness of the drive belt surfaces on the motor pulley and turntable flywheel are critical and are usually the cause of complaints like this. Make sure that pulley surfaces are clean of dirt and grease. Wurlitzer made turntable belts for a variety of their 45 RPM jukeboxes that are somewhat similar in size and mistakenly get interchanged. The correct original belt part number you should have is # 60881. It was used on models 1700 thru 2600. All original turntable belt models are being freshly replicated and are available through classic jukebox parts suppliers in many parts of the world. I can list some parts websites in various countries If you'll tell me where you are located. The turntable motor mounts, if damaged, can cause speed problems as it puts undue tension on the belt. Sometimes pulley surfaces will not be in alignment with each other when this happens. The motor mounts and grommets (your W2300 uses both threaded motor mounts and grommets to secure the TT motor). I'm not aware of any parts website that shows pictures of these parts. You can see them in the parts section of the Wurlitzer jukebox service manual. In the US, parts supplier Victory Glass lists the motor mounts as part # 0-2388 and the grommet as part # 0-2387. These are Victory Glass part numbers. Their part no for the turntable belt is # 1-1408. There is an oiling port on top of the turntable casting. You will need to remove the arched decorative cover over the turntable to expose it.. Oil this with a 20-weight oil. With no belt in place the heavy weight turntable should spin freely. The turntable motor shaft uses a gear drive to spin the belt pulley. The gear teeth should be lubricated with a grease like Lubriplate or white Lithium grease. Clean off any old caked-on grease here. Lubricate the TT motor bearings with 20 weight oil. Good luck with your repair' Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=dCewyHVJk6tdPXi5ne1RxAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Dec 14 05:15:05 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 14 05:23:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: <621122.42380.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC4AD695EEBB23-3E18-46E4B@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> Evidently I made my point. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, Dec 13, 2009 12:58 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? John, think, if I'm not mistaken that you said that--once or twice, or more--- Ron ich --- On Sun, 12/13/09, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com ubject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? o: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ate: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 10:06 AM www.brillianize.com swear by it. -----Original Message----- rom: Ron Rich o: Jukebox mailing list ent: Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:48 am ubject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? ould it be a "figment of his remaganation" ?? Probably not-- I don't know--but ike I said--I never wash records Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/13/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman ubject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? o: "Jukebox mailing list" ate: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 9:12 AM 've never heard of Brillianize. What's in it? Is it vailable around the US? David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Mon Dec 14 04:24:26 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Mon Dec 14 05:27:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The irritating Seeburg SS-160 Message-ID: Hi! I have had a SS-160 for many years, same problem. Turn it on, play 10 records, nothing, just scans. leave it on, an hour and it would play everything. I finally located a bad pin at the TCC, the plug that supplied the write-in pulse to the credit unit was the culprit. I cleaned and re tensioned the crappy connectors and have not had a problem since!!!! Mel From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Dec 14 05:56:57 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Mon Dec 14 05:58:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? In-Reply-To: <8CC4AD695EEBB23-3E18-46E4B@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC4AD695EEBB23-3E18-46E4B@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5A09235A-8E6E-470D-92F2-459925F856F7@verizon.net> John, I ordered mine yesterday...will let you know how wonderful it is when it comes! Many thanks, Jackie On Dec 14, 2009, at 8:15 AM, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Evidently I made my point. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Rich > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Sun, Dec 13, 2009 12:58 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? > > > John, > think, if I'm not mistaken that you said that--once or twice, or more--- Ron > ich > --- On Sun, 12/13/09, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > From: jhayes2613@aol.com > ubject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? > o: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ate: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 10:06 AM > www.brillianize.com > > swear by it. > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Ron Rich > o: Jukebox mailing list > ent: Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:48 am > ubject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? > > ould it be a "figment of his remaganation" ?? Probably not-- I don't know--but > ike I said--I never wash records Ron Rich > --- On Sun, 12/13/09, David Breneman wrote: > From: David Breneman > ubject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record Cleaners OT a little? > o: "Jukebox mailing list" > ate: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 9:12 AM > > 've never heard of Brillianize. What's in it? Is it > vailable around the US? > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > ______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > ______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > ______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From d.carriveau at att.net Sun Dec 13 18:46:15 2009 From: d.carriveau at att.net (d.carriveau@att.net) Date: Mon Dec 14 09:37:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J frame and dome Message-ID: <121420090246.11289.4B25A6F700022C8900002C1922230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF9A0E0A90079D9D0E0CD20B@att.net> Hello group, I've been reading and enjoying the daily postings from this group since I subscribed four weeks ago. I really appreciate the easy dissemination of knowledge by those of you who have been there and done that. I've especially enjoyed the recent postings concerning the SS160 Seeburgs as I restored one several years ago and gave it to my daughter for a birthday present. She cherishes the thing and has gone from being a serious vinyl 33 collector to a 45 junkie like her dad. I'm still working on her to gain more appreciation for shellac. I picked up a fairly complete AMI JAJ 200 some time ago with a complete spare mechanism but missing the top frame and dome. Does anyone have a line as to where I might obtain the top frame and dome for this machine? I'd really like to return the jukebox to its former glory but don't really need or have room for a complete parts machine. Thanks again to the group for the fascinating reading and information. Dean Carriveau From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 09:56:49 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 14 09:58:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J frame and dome In-Reply-To: <121420090246.11289.4B25A6F700022C8900002C1922230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF9A0E0A90079D9D0E0CD20B@att.net> Message-ID: <899460.49115.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dean, Didja try all the "usual suspects" ?? John, at www.jukeboxparts.com . Bill, at mffe@napanet.net . Roy, at jukeboxjunckyard@cox.net Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/13/09, d.carriveau@att.net wrote: From: d.carriveau@att.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J frame and dome To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 6:46 PM Hello group, I've been reading and enjoying the daily postings from this group since I subscribed four weeks ago.? I really appreciate the easy dissemination of knowledge by those of you who have been there and done that.? I've especially enjoyed the recent postings concerning the SS160 Seeburgs as I restored one several years ago and gave it to my daughter for a birthday present.???She cherishes the thing and has gone from being a serious vinyl 33 collector to a 45 junkie like her dad.? I'm still working on her to gain more appreciation for shellac. I picked up a fairly complete AMI JAJ 200 some time ago with a complete spare mechanism but missing the top frame and dome.? Does anyone have a line as to where I might obtain the top frame and dome for this machine?? I'd really like to return the jukebox to its former glory but don't really need or have room for a complete parts machine. Thanks again to the group for the fascinating reading and information. Dean Carriveau _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Dec 14 09:16:13 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Mon Dec 14 10:20:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT..mostly for Ron R. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D99D9D1-9E27-4C21-8E50-B9E5B505696C@verizon.net> Aaron, can't wait for the parts to get here...I think I can do most of it myself? there may be more posts than usual by me when it arrives, lol.....I have alot of Dick Haymes records, I am going to look for Santa Claus is Riding the Trail! Jackie On Dec 12, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Aaron H wrote: > Congrats Jackie!!! Isn't it horrible when a jukebox is "almost" restored? I > absolutely love my Trashcan...and yes... it's loaded with some great > Christmas music. The one that gets a lot of play is "Santa Clause Is Riding > the Trail" by Dick Haymes. Because...as you may know... Santa was really > once a cowboy but his doctor told him that the dry hot climate of the west > wasn't good for his complexion. Thus, the North Pole. Santa is a man of > extremes. > > Aaron > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > >> Hi to all, >> I am happy to report that the SeeburgTrashcan will soon have side top >> plastics and the Animation!!! YIpee! IT's my Christmas present this year >> from my husband and I am sooo excited..should be here by end of the week...I >> hope you all have your Jukes loaded with beautiful Holiday music and maybe >> even a new Jukebox or two around the house, Happy Holidays to all, >> Jackie_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From smlynch at cableone.net Mon Dec 14 12:11:28 2009 From: smlynch at cableone.net (Steve Lynch) Date: Mon Dec 14 12:13:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem Message-ID: <9AB1977E32C54D738374B150124AFF89@DellD7VLX721> Continental 2 is playing fine but it is off one record when a selection is made. Example given is we would have to play A-10 in order to get record A9---always have to play one record higher than the one we want to hear. What is the easiest method to correct this issue? Steve in Idaho From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 13:37:45 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 14 13:39:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem In-Reply-To: <9AB1977E32C54D738374B150124AFF89@DellD7VLX721> Message-ID: <466047.96214.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Steve, Move the records ----Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Steve Lynch wrote: From: Steve Lynch Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 12:11 PM Continental 2 is playing fine but it is off one record when a selection is made.? Example given is we would have to play A-10 in order to get record A9---always have to play one record higher than the one we want to hear.???What is the easiest method to correct this issue? Steve in Idaho _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinball at telus.net Mon Dec 14 14:11:14 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Dec 14 14:12:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem In-Reply-To: <466047.96214.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <466047.96214.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B26B802.8080506@telus.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Steve, > Move the records ----Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Steve Lynch wrote: > > > From: Steve Lynch > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 12:11 PM > > > Continental 2 is playing fine but it is off one record when a selection is made. Example given is we would have to play A-10 in order to get record A9---always have to play one record higher than the one we want to hear. What is the easiest method to correct this issue? > Steve in Idaho > Ha, I liked Ron's answer! The next easiest (quicker than moving the records) solution is to remove the cover from the stepper unit (the metal box under the turntable - you need to back out the mechanism to get at it), jam a screwdriver in the right hand (viewed from front of machine) Sprag Relay to lock the spinning arms on the rear. Now - note the pin the arm is over, loosen the securing bolt, and rotate the arm in the opposite direction to the offset selection, now tighten the bolt - be CAREFUL as you can crack the aluminum housing. It does not need to be really tight!!! The PROPER process involves selecting record A1 - then jam the Sprag Relay as before and move the arm so the write-in arm is centered over the pin labeled A1 (easy, eh?). Do not rotate the arm 180 degrees when doing the adjustment... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 14:45:18 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 14 14:46:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem In-Reply-To: <4B26B802.8080506@telus.net> Message-ID: <816340.51341.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, and all, You (and everyone else here on this list), should know me by know "words is important " !--the man asked for the "easiest method" !? I answered him to the best of my ability -- I think that getting out the screwdriver, and the hex nut wrench ( most are "hex" nuts, if I re-call right) out, pulling the phono away from the wall, to open the rear doors, opening the stepper cover , after removing the locking nuts, so that you can "back out the mech", and jam the sprag relay so that you can now loosen the nuts---is MUCH more work !---Besides, once they are "set up" right ( CAUTION--as John warned, do not overtighten!!!!), you gotta reverse the whole process ! Whew--Anyway it sure was much more to type !! And, oh, BTW--before doing any of the above, check that those (long) "hammer" (arms) are not bent !! Merry Christmas to all--- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/14/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 2:11 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Steve, > Move the records ----Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Steve Lynch wrote: > > > From: Steve Lynch > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 12:11 PM > > > Continental 2 is playing fine but it is off one record when a selection is made.? Example given is we would have to play A-10 in order to get record A9---always have to play one record higher than the one we want to hear.???What is the easiest method to correct this issue? > Steve in Idaho >??? Ha, I liked Ron's answer! The next easiest (quicker than moving the records) solution is to remove the cover from the stepper unit (the metal box under the turntable - you need to back out the mechanism to get at it), jam a screwdriver in the right hand (viewed from front of machine) Sprag Relay to lock the spinning arms on the rear. Now - note the pin the arm is over, loosen the securing bolt, and rotate the arm in the opposite direction to the offset selection, now tighten the bolt - be CAREFUL as you can crack the aluminum housing. It does not need to be really tight!!! The PROPER process involves selecting record A1 - then jam the Sprag Relay as before and move the arm so the write-in arm is centered over the pin labeled A1 (easy, eh?). Do not rotate the arm 180 degrees when doing the adjustment... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From tadperez at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 15:26:51 2009 From: tadperez at gmail.com (tad perez) Date: Mon Dec 14 15:28:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Minor tweeking Message-ID: <1994498c0912141526nd1ddfdfsd3bb79bd6090ebcc@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to this blog I wouldn't have gotten my old rusty jukebox from a bar in the foothills of california working, so I thank everyone. However being new in the jukebox world I have found out that not all records work in a Rockola 424 or maybe I need to make more adjsutments. I'm finding out that 1 out of 4 records either doesn't get picked up by the arm, doesn't align on the turntable spindle or ejects a second to early and the song doesn't finish completely (each instance was from different records). Is it the juke or the records? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 15:41:56 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 14 15:43:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Minor tweeking In-Reply-To: <1994498c0912141526nd1ddfdfsd3bb79bd6090ebcc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <749066.39084.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Little of both--purchase a copy of the manuals, and you can tweek the end of record reject switch to solve that problem--the gripper problem is most likely lack of proper oil----try searching the archives of this list at the bottom of this page (Thanks Jay !!!) for "gripper"--AND Service manuals--- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/14/09, tad perez wrote: From: tad perez Subject: [Jukebox-list] Minor tweeking To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 3:26 PM Thanks to this blog I wouldn't have gotten my old rusty jukebox from a bar in the foothills of california working, so I thank everyone. However being new in the jukebox world I have found out that not all records work in a Rockola 424 or maybe I need to make more adjsutments. I'm finding out that 1 out of 4 records either doesn't get picked up by the arm, doesn't align on the turntable spindle or ejects a second to early and the song doesn't finish completely (each instance was from different records). Is it the juke or the records? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Mon Dec 14 16:32:11 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Dec 14 16:33:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem In-Reply-To: <466047.96214.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <466047.96214.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B26D90B.2070303@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Steve, > Move the records ----Ron Rich Too much work. Renumber the buttons. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From edbap at aol.com Mon Dec 14 16:41:38 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 14 16:50:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem In-Reply-To: <4B26D90B.2070303@west.net> References: <466047.96214.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B26D90B.2070303@west.net> Message-ID: <8CC4B367F3B2322-247C-6111@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> You could always dump that AMI, and buy a Seeburg! -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:32 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem Ron Rich wrote: > Steve, > Move the records ----Ron Rich Too much work. Renumber the buttons. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From Trollmasters at webtv.net Mon Dec 14 16:53:34 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Mon Dec 14 16:55:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] change of e-mail address Message-ID: <353-4B26DE0E-7919@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Jay , I have been trying to change my e-mail address for the list here several times now . I went by the procedures , but Im still getting the postings at my old e-mail address , what can I do? thanks, Jim From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 19:42:16 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 14 19:43:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem In-Reply-To: <4B26D90B.2070303@west.net> Message-ID: <383749.1202.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, Come on--you would need a hammer chisel and some paint to do that--oh, plus the "talent" I ainna gots !!? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 4:32 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Steve, > Move the records ----Ron Rich Too much work.? Renumber the buttons. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 19:42:49 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 14 19:44:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem In-Reply-To: <8CC4B367F3B2322-247C-6111@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <423100.8075.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Fantastic Suggestion !! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/14/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 4:41 PM You could always dump that AMI, and buy a Seeburg! -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:32 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem Ron Rich wrote: > Steve, > Move the records ----Ron Rich Too much work. Renumber the buttons. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pat2355 at aol.com Mon Dec 14 20:33:22 2009 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 14 20:35:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem In-Reply-To: <423100.8075.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC4B56DE6AE6A8-62A4-9908@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> The best answer is just have a party. You'll either just enjoy the song pickled or someone else would have pickled the one next to the one you pickled, hic yeah EX Postman Pat -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:42 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem Fantastic Suggestion !! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/14/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 4:41 PM You could always dump that AMI, and buy a Seeburg! -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:32 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem Ron Rich wrote: > Steve, > Move the records ----Ron Rich Too much work. Renumber the buttons. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From billsignor at optonline.net Mon Dec 14 22:29:28 2009 From: billsignor at optonline.net (Bill Signor) Date: Mon Dec 14 23:02:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record wheel won't stop at some selections Message-ID: Hi All, I gathered that this can be a common problem with older Rock-ola models. I have a Tempo II Model 120. When making selections, about 7 of my A, B, C selections won't stop and play. I took off the turntable and cover and see a wheel with pins in it in the front down below turntable. A handful of "pins" are pushed all the way into the wheel and a few are I/2 way out. The rest of them are all pulled out fully. My questions are: 1) Have I located the problem? 2) Should the pins all be out when a record is not playing and 3) Should I pull them out with a pincher and should they be lubricated and with oil? Plain household mechanical oil? I would like all sixty selections to play. Thanks for your help in advance. Bill From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Dec 14 23:53:11 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Dec 14 23:57:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record wheel won't stop at some selections Message-ID: <20091215.025311.13400.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Hello Bill: This problem is coming up a lot lately. The round drum you're seeing is called the pinbank. The pins are operated by small solenoid coils located inside the pinbank. When you make a selection using the keyboard the signal impulse is ultimately routed to the correct solenoid on the pinbank. The pins should move back and forth freely. When the mechanism contact block moves around searching for a record, it detects pins that have been pushed outward (toward the outside edges) on the pinbank ,and resets them. One row of pins are the "odd" side selection numbers. The other row is even. On one rotation of the record basket,odd numbers are scanned. On the next pass even numbers are scanned. With age the pins can get gummy with dirt, caked on grease, rust, corrosion, etc and stop working. It's not a good idea to put oil on them. It might solve a non-working pin problem immediately, but the oil will be come tacky and become gummy. First work all the pins around the drum with your finger to free up any that are stuck. Pins at the bottom of the drum tend to stick more than others. The steel surface around the pins should be smooth and clean. I like to clean the surfaces using either a rag or old toothbrush and Brasso cream cleaner. Wipe off any excess Brasso when finished. Spray a small amount of Caig De Oxit contact cleaner into the pin openings and again use a toothbrush to clean all dirt out of the openings.This is about all that you can do to service the pinbank without removing it. On the rear side of the pinbank, you will see a large circuit board with contact segments and a set of rotary switch wipers that scan it with roation of the record basket. Make sure these contacts are clean. Put De Oxit onto a clean cloth and wipe the contact segments on the board, Don't bend the switch contacts. Intermittents here could cause a selection not to register. As a last effort, solenoid pins and switch contacts can tarnish with age, causing selection pins not to trigger. The correct solution for this is removal/disassembly of the pinbank and cleaning the contacts. This is a difficult job, but it may need to be done. Try all the other steps listed here first. Last--a RockOla juke mechanism needs to be cleaned and oiled on a routine basis. For light home use, this should be done about once every 5 years. The service manual gives you the lubrication requirements. Good luck with your repair, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Stock Options Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=42lgJAQPm3kNssGIsJNz0QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQlgAAAAA= From ron at rondavismarine.co.uk Tue Dec 15 04:56:52 2009 From: ron at rondavismarine.co.uk (Ron Davis) Date: Tue Dec 15 05:04:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems Message-ID: Hi, I need help, (my doctor mentioned something similar years ago) but first I must say as a relative newbie to this group, I get great pleasure in reading responses from experts who obviously have a love for what they do and know what they are talking about. That's not all that common these days. I have owned this Rock-Ola for more than 25 years and it has given me great pleasure. (A few headaches along the way also) But I am now stuck. I even had a look at the manual! If I press a selection the record rack will jerk but not much else. Do this two or three times and the rack will rotate one complete turn and stop with a jerky movement. The hammers on the wobble plate do not register anything. If I select a lever on the wobble plate, everything takes over as normal. I have attempted to clean all relays and connections. I guess I've missed one or two. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Ron Davis From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Dec 15 05:58:52 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Dec 15 06:00:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT..mostly for Ron R. In-Reply-To: <2D99D9D1-9E27-4C21-8E50-B9E5B505696C@verizon.net> References: <2D99D9D1-9E27-4C21-8E50-B9E5B505696C@verizon.net> Message-ID: Jackie, It's been a number of years since I replaced all of the plastics in my 148 Trashcan. You have a 146, don't you? I'm not exactly sure about how the plastics get mounted into that cabinet in a 146 because I'm told there are differences...isn't the 146 a wooden cabinet? I can tell you that mounting the plastics in my 148 was a trying job. The notches that were pre-cut into the plastics didn't line up exactly with some of the locations of the mounting pins and I wound up have to take my Dremel and either cut a new notch...or make an existing notch a bit more eccentric in order for the plastic to fit. After that, it was shifting the plastics left/right, up/down to remove any noticeable gaps. It took me about 3 days before I finally got them right. I also remember having to be EXTRA careful about attaching the "winged" metal trim to the plastics since a hole has to be drilled in order to accommodate a mounting post on each trim piece. I buffed the living hell out of the bottom edge of the metal trim so that accidentally moving it around while trying to fit the trim and the plastic into the frame of the jukebox wouldn't scratch the plastic. However, rather than risking disaster, I put a piece of paper under the entire "wing" trim - where it touches the plastic - so that there would be less of a chance of scratching. Once everything was mounted, I just pulled the paper out and nothing was damaged. You just have to go really slow and get someone to help you. I learned after about three hours of trying it myself that mounting the plastics...especially the top ones since they want to fall out of the cabinet when trying to put them in... that you need another set of hands to hold things in place. But I'll tell you what...once it's done... and you've got those bulbs in there glowing away... it is ONE HECK of a GORGEOUS jukebox!! Oh... another one in there is "I've Got My Love to Keep Me Warm" by Les Brown. A must have! Best of luck! Aaron On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Aaron, > can't wait for the parts to get here...I think I can do most of it myself? > there may be more posts than usual by me when it arrives, lol.....I have > alot of Dick Haymes records, I am going to look for Santa Claus is Riding > the Trail! > Jackie > > > On Dec 12, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Aaron H wrote: > > > Congrats Jackie!!! Isn't it horrible when a jukebox is "almost" restored? > I > > absolutely love my Trashcan...and yes... it's loaded with some great > > Christmas music. The one that gets a lot of play is "Santa Clause Is > Riding > > the Trail" by Dick Haymes. Because...as you may know... Santa was really > > once a cowboy but his doctor told him that the dry hot climate of the > west > > wasn't good for his complexion. Thus, the North Pole. Santa is a man of > > extremes. > > > > Aaron > > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Jackie Elgie > wrote: > > > >> Hi to all, > >> I am happy to report that the SeeburgTrashcan will soon have side top > >> plastics and the Animation!!! YIpee! IT's my Christmas present this > year > >> from my husband and I am sooo excited..should be here by end of the > week...I > >> hope you all have your Jukes loaded with beautiful Holiday music and > maybe > >> even a new Jukebox or two around the house, Happy Holidays to all, > >> Jackie_______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Aaron Heverin > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From mikeberger at msn.com Tue Dec 15 06:11:02 2009 From: mikeberger at msn.com (Michael Berger) Date: Tue Dec 15 06:12:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tone Arm Adjustment - Rockola 1454 Message-ID: First of all, a big thanks to all those who responded to my posts earlier, especially Jim Alexander. I really value all the input and learn a little something from every Digest. I'm in the final stages of getting the 1454 finished up and all that is left is the tone arm adjustments . I replaced the grommets and and installed a new P132 cartridge. According to the Rockola Instruction manual, in order, these are the steps for adjusting the tone arm. 1. Adjust the "set down" position. 2. Adjust the switches for proper "cut out" position. 3. Turn adjustment screw (B-Fig. 4) through top of tone arm to adjust needle pressure. (this screw contacts a metal leaf which the tone arm rests on when on the record) 4. Tone arm height must be adusted so it just touches the flocking. Turn adjustment screw (C-Fig. 4). 5. Adjust clearance between gripper arm and needle with Adjustment screw (A-Fig. 4) Is this the correct order? It seems like the order should be 5,4,3,2,1. Thanks again, Mike From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Dec 15 06:58:42 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Dec 15 07:00:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a Wurlitzer 1015, 1100 or 1250 Message-ID: Hi all. The fact that the coin grinder on my 1250 has been acting crazy for the past year has been prompting me to seek out putting the juke on free-play. Being a purist, I really don't want to do that, but keeping coins in the house while struggling to constantly come up with change for kids lunches has been impossible. So with no time to fix the grinder...and with no money to use IN the grinder... I'm looking to put the thing on free play. Now...without taking anything away from the folks that sell devices to do this, I found some old notes that I wrote down years ago about jumping some of the pins on a replacement plug that goes into the junction box of anything from a 1015 to a 1250. I never tried this...and I don't remember where I got the information from... but it was in my 1250's tech notes file. The notes say to take a replacement coin grinder plug and plug it into the junction box... putting a jumper between pins 1 and 8, and between 5 and 6 of the plug. Does this sound right? Again...never tried it... but I'd like to play my 1250. Ain't got no coin, man! Seriously. My two year old has put about $7 in pennies into the thing. Oh! That's another thing. If this free-play jazz works, I'm going to close off the coin slot before the slug rejector gets destroyed. Thanks folks!! Hope everyone has some great Christmas records in their jukes. -- Aaron From billsignor at optonline.net Tue Dec 15 07:31:16 2009 From: billsignor at optonline.net (Bill Signor) Date: Tue Dec 15 07:33:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record wheel won't stop at some selections In-Reply-To: <20091215.025311.13400.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091215.025311.13400.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <0A1A3C435CE24DD68A0C63ECD75C1A0E@OwnerPC> Jim Alexander you're the man! Thank you for that in-depth explanation of the pin wheel on my Rockola. I'll try the toothbrush/Brasso thing today, then the Caig de oxit.... Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Alexander" Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:53 AM To: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record wheel won't stop at some selections > > > Hello Bill: > > > This problem is coming up a lot lately. The round drum you're seeing is > called the pinbank. The pins are operated by small solenoid coils located > inside the pinbank. When you make a selection using the keyboard the > signal impulse is ultimately routed to the correct solenoid on the > pinbank. > > The pins should move back and forth freely. When the mechanism contact > block moves around searching for a record, it detects pins that have been > pushed outward (toward the outside edges) on the pinbank ,and resets them. > One row of pins are the "odd" side selection numbers. The other row is > even. On one rotation of the record basket,odd numbers are scanned. On the > next pass even numbers are scanned. > > With age the pins can get gummy with dirt, caked on grease, rust, > corrosion, etc and stop working. It's not a good idea to put oil on them. > It might solve a non-working pin problem immediately, but the oil will be > come tacky and become gummy. First work all the pins around the drum with > your finger to free up any that are stuck. Pins at the bottom of the drum > tend to stick more than others. > The steel surface around the pins should be smooth and clean. I like to > clean the surfaces using either a rag or old toothbrush and Brasso cream > cleaner. Wipe off any excess Brasso when finished. > > Spray a small amount of Caig De Oxit contact cleaner into the pin openings > and again use a toothbrush to clean all dirt out of the openings.This is > about all that you can do to service the pinbank without removing it. > On the rear side of the pinbank, you will see a large circuit board with > contact segments and a set of rotary switch wipers that scan it with > roation of the record basket. Make sure these contacts are clean. Put De > Oxit onto a clean cloth and wipe the contact segments on the board, Don't > bend the switch contacts. Intermittents here could cause a selection not > to register. > > As a last effort, solenoid pins and switch contacts can tarnish with age, > causing selection pins not to trigger. The correct solution for this is > removal/disassembly of the pinbank and cleaning the contacts. This is a > difficult job, but it may need to be done. Try all the other steps > listed here first. > Last--a RockOla juke mechanism needs to be cleaned and oiled on a routine > basis. For light home use, this should be done about once every 5 years. > The service manual gives you the lubrication requirements. > > Good luck with your repair, > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Stock Options > Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=42lgJAQPm3kNssGIsJNz0QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQlgAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 15 08:07:43 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 15 08:10:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record wheel won't stop at some selections Message-ID: <20091215.110743.17874.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Hello Bob: Good luck with your pinbank repair. Sometimes the clean up around the exterior of the pinbank is sufficient to get your system working dependably. Sometimes the disassembly and interior cleaning of the switch contacts is required. At the time you do this, there may be old caked up grease in the pinbank guide channels used by the contact block. As a preventive measure, old grease should be cleaned up and removed. A small amount of Lubriplate or white Lithium grease in these channels, installed using a Q -Tip provides a friction-free surface for the contact block's movement around the pinbank. Jim Alexander. ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=646cIr0fIFAwJIZUB95IqwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From wesleydean at cox.net Tue Dec 15 08:14:14 2009 From: wesleydean at cox.net (Wesley Dean) Date: Tue Dec 15 08:16:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a Wurlitzer 1015, 1100 or 1250 References: Message-ID: <39E9F0C772EB4035805EC1D04005C673@PAW> Aaron: I suggest that you DO NOT use a jumper plug as if you do, you run the risk if a selection button gets held down too long or gets stuck that selection coil goes up in smoke much more expensive than a free play unit not to mention the trouble to replace the burned coils. Common problem especially with children operating the jukebox.. Take heed as we know from experience. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukeboxga.com 678-833-5749 Please respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Dec 15 08:31:13 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Dec 15 08:32:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a Wurlitzer 1015, 1100 or 1250 In-Reply-To: <39E9F0C772EB4035805EC1D04005C673@PAW> References: <39E9F0C772EB4035805EC1D04005C673@PAW> Message-ID: Hi Roy. Good to hear from you. But isn't that same thing as what those "free play plugs" do I've seen on eBay and elsewhere? I've asked about the free-play thing before on the list... and I'm surprised that no one has jumped in with the same trick. It sounds about as dangerous as taking the spring off the escape wheel of an AMI credit unit so that it never closes... or bending the switch blades on a Seeburg credit unit so it can never close. I've seen these devices and it looks like nothing more than a plug that's been jumpered. Doesn't look like there's any fancy electronics inside the thing so I've always been left wondering how they worked... what was the trick... what was the danger? Then I found my notes last night and I just had to ask. Uh...actually... it was my wife calling me at work the other day wondering if we had any change in the house because she wanted to play the 1250 and couldn't find any dimes or quarters. So you're saying that if at any time a selection button doesn't pop back after making a selection, the coil for that selection will roach. But how is that any different from putting about $10 worth of change into the jukebox and only making 3 selections and leaving the grinder in the "make a selection" mode. If a button doesn't pop back during normal operation, wouldn't you run the same risk of burn-out? I should probably look at the circuit diagram for the credit/selection system before I open my mouth. I don't want to make any assumptions without the facts to back me up. MAN!!! A full time job and jukeboxes JUST....DON'T... MIX!!! Aaron On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Wesley Dean wrote: > Aaron: I suggest that you DO NOT use a jumper plug as if you do, you run > the risk if a selection button gets held down too long or gets stuck that > selection coil goes up in smoke much more expensive than a free play unit > not to mention the trouble to replace the burned coils. Common problem > especially with children operating the jukebox.. > > Take heed as we know from experience. > > Roy > > Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The > REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs > > The Jukebox Junkyard > PO Box 338 > Lizella,GA 31052 USA > WWW.jukeboxga.com > > 678-833-5749 > > Please respect or business hrs which are > Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST > > That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 15 08:33:40 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 15 08:37:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems Message-ID: <20091215.113340.9017.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Ron: Doe the record basket rotate without jerking if you use the scan switch? If yes, The intermittent,jerky action is probably being caused by the wobble-plate start switch contacts not making. If operation is jerky using the scan switch, the fault lies with bad connections or with the basket motor. At one end of the pinbank, you should see a microswitch. The switch action is operated by the wobble plate. There should be some adjustability of the microswitch here if your problem is a mechanical tripping of the switch. If the switch has failed, it will need to be changed. Switch adjustment technique is described in the service manual. The hammer solenoid not working, to register selector pins is a separate problem. At one side of the pinbank, you should see a large circuit board with some rotary contact segments. There are a set of switch wiper arms that ride over these contacts. If dirty, the fault could be here. I suggest spraying some Caig De Oxit contact cleaner onto a clean rag, then wiping clean the contact segments. Don't handle or bend the wiper contacts. This is generally sufficient to clean. Most of the action in a RockOla phono mechanism is mechanically based. To run dependably, the unit should be cleaned and oiled on a routine basis. For a home jukebox, this is approx. once every 5 years or more. Follow the cleaning/lube chart in your service manual to offset problems like this. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=8KRTyDQovsmOZMIQbm-JmQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 08:40:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 15 08:42:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem In-Reply-To: <8CC4B56DE6AE6A8-62A4-9908@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <476798.77251.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> OK--Pat, You win-----? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/14/09, pat2355@aol.com wrote: From: pat2355@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 8:33 PM The best answer is just have a party. You'll either just enjoy the song pickled or someone else would have pickled the one next to the one you pickled, hic yeah EX Postman Pat -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:42 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem Fantastic Suggestion !! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/14/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 4:41 PM You could always dump that AMI, and buy a Seeburg! -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:32 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem Ron Rich wrote: > Steve, > Move the records ----Ron Rich Too much work. Renumber the buttons. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 08:46:02 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 15 08:47:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tone Arm Adjustment - Rockola 1454 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <105143.27432.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mike, I have to agree with you--don't want to ruin a new needle---Oh, well SOME R/O books leave something to be desired----? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Michael Berger wrote: From: Michael Berger Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tone Arm Adjustment - Rockola 1454 To: "Jukebox list" Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 6:11 AM First of all, a big thanks to all those who responded to my posts earlier, especially Jim Alexander.? I really value all the input and learn a little something from every Digest. I'm in the final stages of getting the 1454 finished up and all that is left is the tone arm adjustments .? I replaced the grommets and and installed a new P132 cartridge.? According to the Rockola Instruction manual, in order, these are the steps for adjusting the tone arm. 1. Adjust the "set down" position. 2. Adjust the switches for proper "cut out" position. 3. Turn adjustment screw (B-Fig. 4) through top of tone arm to adjust needle pressure.? (this screw contacts a metal leaf which the tone arm rests on when on the record) 4. Tone arm height must be adusted so it just touches the flocking. Turn adjustment screw (C-Fig. 4). 5. Adjust clearance between gripper arm and needle with Adjustment screw (A-Fig. 4) Is this the correct order?? It seems like the order should be 5,4,3,2,1. Thanks again, Mike ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 15 08:48:51 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 15 08:51:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tone Arm Adjustment - Rockola 1454 Message-ID: <20091215.114851.9017.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Hello Michael: If it were me, I'd follow the 5-4-3-2-1 steps like you suggested. You can make the adjustments in another order and get the job done, it usually will take more of your time to get the desired result. An important item, when an even-number selection is pulled, check to see that the tone arm /cartridge doesn't strike the gripper arm. This will damage the stylus if it does. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=8yP9QcUtEK875G_pXcBkxwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 08:50:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 15 08:51:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a Wurlitzer 1015, 1100 or 1250 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <313040.37315.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Aaron, One caution about "free playing" Wurlies of that vintage--If done with a "jumper plug" and "people" hold down on the keyboard for too long, they WILL burn up selection coils --Be sure that the fuse is the correct size--- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Aaron H wrote: From: Aaron H Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a Wurlitzer 1015, 1100 or 1250 To: "Jukebox List" Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 6:58 AM Hi all. The fact that the coin grinder on my 1250 has been acting crazy for the past year has been prompting me to seek out putting the juke on free-play. Being a purist, I really don't want to do that, but keeping coins in the house while struggling to constantly come up with change for kids lunches has been impossible. So with no time to fix the grinder...and with no money to use IN the grinder... I'm looking to put the thing on free play. Now...without taking anything away from the folks that sell devices to do this, I found some old notes that I wrote down years ago about jumping some of the pins on a replacement plug that goes into the junction box of anything from a 1015 to a 1250. I never tried this...and I don't remember where I got the information from... but it was in my 1250's tech notes file. The notes say to take a replacement coin grinder plug and plug it into the junction box... putting a jumper between pins 1 and 8, and between 5 and 6 of the plug. Does this sound right? Again...never tried it... but I'd like to play my 1250. Ain't got no coin, man! Seriously. My two year old has put about $7 in pennies into the thing. Oh! That's another thing. If this free-play jazz works, I'm going to close off the coin slot before the slug rejector gets destroyed. Thanks folks!! Hope everyone has some great Christmas records in their jukes. -- Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 08:57:10 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 15 08:58:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record wheel won't stop at some selections In-Reply-To: <20091215.110743.17874.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <641639.2526.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, I MIGHT agree on a very slight amount of "Lithium" grease, but NEVER on "Lubriplate" there, or any where near a Seeburg--? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/15/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record wheel won't stop at some selections To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:07 AM Hello Bob: Good luck with your pinbank repair.? Sometimes the clean up around the exterior of the pinbank is sufficient to get your system working dependably.???Sometimes the disassembly and interior cleaning of the switch contacts is required. At the time you do this, there may be old caked up grease in the pinbank guide channels used by the contact block. As a preventive measure, old grease should be cleaned up and removed.? ???A small amount of Lubriplate or white Lithium grease in these channels, installed using a Q -Tip provides a friction-free surface for the contact block's movement around the pinbank. Jim Alexander. ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=646cIr0fIFAwJIZUB95IqwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 15 09:14:11 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 15 09:18:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record wheel won't stop at some selections Message-ID: <20091215.121411.9017.3@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Ron: The phenolic fingers of an RO contact block will sometimes scrape and grind in the channels of an RO 50's-early 60's pinbank during search mode. Lots of friction. In an ideal world, no, there shouldn't be any grease there. These guide channels are either slightly out of round or have dents/bends in them,making the contact blocks hang up. It's equallyimportant to clean away old, coagulated grease frm these areas. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=K0NWGHqtUHTItal-bDTQyAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From pinball at telus.net Tue Dec 15 09:41:04 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Dec 15 09:42:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a Wurlitzer 1015, 1100 or 1250 In-Reply-To: <39E9F0C772EB4035805EC1D04005C673@PAW> References: <39E9F0C772EB4035805EC1D04005C673@PAW> Message-ID: <4B27CA30.6040905@telus.net> Wesley Dean wrote: > Aaron: I suggest that you DO NOT use a jumper plug as if you do, you > run the risk if a selection button gets held down too long or gets > stuck that selection coil goes up in smoke much more expensive than a > free play unit not to mention the trouble to replace the burned coils. > Common problem especially with children operating the jukebox.. > > Take heed as we know from experience. > > Roy > > Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The > REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs > > The Jukebox Junkyard > PO Box 338 > Lizella,GA 31052 USA > WWW.jukeboxga.com > > 678-833-5749 > > Please respect or business hrs which are > Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST > > That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND As Roy says, the common free play for these machines was a jumper plug. The correct Free Play adapter used a relay so you got a brief pulse to the coil, then the relay released to avoid burning out the select coil no matter how long you continued to hold the button down. Simple design, should have a copy around here somewhere, or one could 'cook' this up in a few minutes. A small capacitor across the relay coil (to delay the turn-on time), with a resistor is series (so the capacitor doesn't charge too fast). Once the capacitor charges enough to trip the relay this disconnects the write-in to the coil. This design avoids later select coil failure because as the capacitor ages (capacitance reduces with age) the pulse will get shorter until it won't work and you just put a new capacitor in (twenty or so years down the road). John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 10:15:46 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Dec 15 10:17:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental 2 Problem In-Reply-To: <8CC4B56DE6AE6A8-62A4-9908@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <19236.43264.qm@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/14/09, pat2355@aol.com wrote: > The best answer is just have a party. You'll either just > enjoy the song pickled or someone else would have pickled > the one next to the one you pickled, hic yeah EX Postman > Pat A few years ago C-SPAN's Book TV was covering some sort of publishing event at the home of columnist Maureen Dowd. She had an AMI E 120 in her living room, and guests were playing it by picking records out of the rack by hand and placing them on the turntable. They looked like they were having a good time, but maybe that was just for the camera. From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 15 10:24:13 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Tue Dec 15 10:25:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Santa arrived early.. I got a Trashcan!! Message-ID: <65110.71243.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi List, I picked up a nice 1947 Seeburg 147M Trashcan last week. Got it from one of our list members for $400. It's a pretty clean box, however at this time it only lights up (somewhat). Here is a link to some pix I took of it. Your comments are most welcome either on or off list (My email isNotarySojac@SBCGlobal.net). Trashcan pix: http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Seeburg%20147M%20Trashcan%20%20Welcome%20to%20your%20new%20home/ If you are a Trashcan owner and can impart pearls of wisdom then I'm all ears. As soon as I can figure out where they are, I'll check fuses. Two of the amp tubes appear to be dead-cold. The dome was perfect until we loaded the box into my van when "CRUNCH" it hit one of the seats and cracked (it was mighty cold out that Chicago afternoon. I may not have cracked if it was warm out). VG will be getting a nice pile o' dough for some new plastics but not until I can get this machine to cycle and play. So I'm excited. This is one of the prettiest machines, IMHO. All the best, Bob - Chicago From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Dec 15 10:32:20 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Dec 15 10:34:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Santa arrived early.. I got a Trashcan!! In-Reply-To: <65110.71243.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <65110.71243.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: WHOA! Congrats Bob. Nice looking and an all-around great jukebox. Once you get that puppy up and running, the sound quality is going to blow your mind. Of course, I'm partial to a Rock-Ola Luxury Light-Up Standard. ;-) Santa is being very wise to stay away from my house with any jukeboxes... for the time-being anyway. Aaron On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM, NotarySojac wrote: > Hi List, > > I picked up a nice 1947 Seeburg 147M Trashcan last week. Got it from one of > our list members for $400. > > It's a pretty clean box, however at this time it only lights up (somewhat). > > Here is a link to some pix I took of it. Your comments are most welcome > either on or off list (My email isNotarySojac@SBCGlobal.net). > > Trashcan pix: > > http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Seeburg%20147M%20Trashcan%20%20Welcome%20to%20your%20new%20home/ > > If you are a Trashcan owner and can impart pearls of wisdom then I'm all > ears. > > As soon as I can figure out where they are, I'll check fuses. Two of the > amp tubes appear to be dead-cold. The dome was perfect until we loaded the > box into my van when "CRUNCH" it hit one of the seats and cracked (it was > mighty cold out that Chicago afternoon. I may not have cracked if it was > warm out). > VG will be getting a nice pile o' dough for some new plastics but not until > I can get this machine to cycle and play. > > So I'm excited. This is one of the prettiest machines, IMHO. > > All the best, > Bob - Chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 15 10:33:42 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Tue Dec 15 10:35:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mystery cartridge Message-ID: <932264.86644.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Regarding my newest Trashcan acquisition: The tone arm is host to what appears to be an aftermarket cartridge. Anyone know what this is? There are no markings identifying make or model. I posted some pix of it on Photobucket: Mystery cartridge: http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Mystery%20Cartridge/ Also, someone on eBay is selling a rather interesting, but cracked, original dome: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190356865634&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Is this what the original domes looked like? Are repros of this style being made? Since I need to replace my cracked dome, I'd prefer this style! TIA Bob - Chicago From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Dec 15 10:52:17 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Dec 15 10:53:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mystery cartridge In-Reply-To: <932264.86644.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <932264.86644.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, That looks like an Astatic P51 cart to me... exactly the one I have in my Trashcan. They don't make the P51 any more... but a nice replacement is available at http://www.needles4jukeboxes.com/Seeburg-Cartridges.htm. The replacement is at the very top of the page. You just have to specify what type of needle you want based on the type of 78s (or 45s) your going to play. I put a #2 in my Trashcan with excellent results. I'm pretty sure the original dome on the 146 and 147 was the "smooth" version, while the dome on the 148 was a textured "ripple" version. Aaron On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:33 PM, NotarySojac wrote: > Regarding my newest Trashcan acquisition: > > The tone arm is host to what appears to be an aftermarket cartridge. > Anyone know what this is? There are no markings identifying make or model. > > I posted some pix of it on Photobucket: > > > Mystery cartridge: > > http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Mystery%20Cartridge/ > > > Also, someone on eBay is selling a rather interesting, but cracked, > original dome: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190356865634&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > Is this what the original domes looked like? Are repros of this style being > made? Since I need to replace my cracked dome, I'd prefer this style! > > TIA > Bob - Chicago > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From jay at west.net Tue Dec 15 10:58:55 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Dec 15 11:00:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a ... In-Reply-To: References: <39E9F0C772EB4035805EC1D04005C673@PAW> Message-ID: <4B27DC6F.9030000@west.net> It's your jukebox, so customize it as you choose, but unless the coin gear is missing or totally unrepairable, I really like to leave jukes on coin and not convert to free play. Free play has a tendency to allow parts to be stressed beyond design as things that are supposed to be energized briefly wind up energized full time. Yes, there are special adapters with timeouts to prevent this but they tend to be expensive. Boxes on free play at parties and with kids around wind up with a ton of selections made that play long after the guests have left. Putting a coin in the slot is part of the whole jukebox experience. I just put out a bowl of nickels near the jukebox and recycle coins from the cash box when it gets low. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Dec 15 11:17:18 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Dec 15 11:18:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a ... In-Reply-To: <4B27DC6F.9030000@west.net> References: <39E9F0C772EB4035805EC1D04005C673@PAW> <4B27DC6F.9030000@west.net> Message-ID: The good news, Jay, is that my kids know how to work the jukeboxes and have never once abused them. I only have to watch out for the two-year old and the worse thing he does is try to get a credit by dumping in pennies. Of course, he doesn't do anything but jam up the coin slot and slug rejector. He's not strong enough to push a button on the 1250 without help so there's no chance he can press a button and leave it pressed for anything other than a second or two. Anybody that's ever come over to my house for a party knows never to play a jukebox without permission and none of the nieces or nephews aren't interested. I'm just asking about doing it because...no fooling... we really can't keep loose change in the house any longer with school lunches and other things the kids are involved in. And when the coin cups become empty, I have to raid the coin boxes for money. At 6:30 in the morning when.... oh forget it. I sitting here defending my reason why I want to put my jukebox on free-play. Wow! On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > It's your jukebox, so customize it as you choose, but unless the coin gear > is missing or totally unrepairable, I really like to leave jukes on coin and > not convert to free play. > > Free play has a tendency to allow parts to be stressed beyond design as > things that are supposed to be energized briefly wind up energized full > time. Yes, there are special adapters with timeouts to prevent this but > they tend to be expensive. > > Boxes on free play at parties and with kids around wind up with a ton of > selections made that play long after the guests have left. > > Putting a coin in the slot is part of the whole jukebox experience. > > I just put out a bowl of nickels near the jukebox and recycle coins from > the cash box when it gets low. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Dec 15 11:40:10 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Dec 15 11:41:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Santa arrived early.. I got a Trashcan!! In-Reply-To: <65110.71243.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <65110.71243.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20091215193538.M39560@dwave.net> Great find Bob! The red and green plastic inside the door is not original - but if you like how it looks leave it in. The screen below your speaker is a power resistor for the speaker. Before I took apart my trashcan (to move it down to my workshop) I took some photos. I think the inside finish is pretty original on mine - but that's just a guess. Photos link - http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg410/jearbear71/Seeburg 147 trashcan 1947/ I have not started to work on it yet. But I have been purchasing some parts every now and then. Jeremy Agema On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:24:13 -0800 (PST), NotarySojac wrote > Hi List, > > I picked up a nice 1947 Seeburg 147M Trashcan last week. Got it from one of our list members for $400. > > It's a pretty clean box, however at this time it only lights up (somewhat). > > Here is a link to some pix I took of it. Your comments are most welcome either on or off list (My email isNotarySojac@SBCGlobal.net). > > Trashcan pix: > http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Seeburg 147M Trashcan Welcome to your new home/ > > If you are a Trashcan owner and can impart pearls of wisdom then I'm all ears. > > As soon as I can figure out where they are, I'll check fuses. Two of the amp tubes appear to be dead-cold. ?The dome was perfect until we loaded the box into my van when "CRUNCH" it hit one of the seats and cracked (it was mighty cold out that Chicago afternoon. I may not have cracked if it was warm out). > VG will be getting a nice pile o' dough for some new plastics but not until I can get this machine to cycle and play. > > So I'm excited. This is one of the prettiest machines, IMHO. > > All the best, > Bob - Chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Tue Dec 15 11:52:03 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Dec 15 11:53:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Santa arrived early.. I got a Trashcan!! In-Reply-To: <20091215193538.M39560@dwave.net> References: <65110.71243.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20091215193538.M39560@dwave.net> Message-ID: <4B27E8E3.1040206@west.net> Nice score! Obviously the amplifier and electronics have been repainted - badly. The electrons inside won't notice. :-) By the way, that box with the square cans with red tops next to the amplifier is a receiver for wireless wallboxes. Back in the day some locations would wheel a portable wallbox to tables so patrons could make selections without getting up. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 12:06:27 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Dec 15 12:08:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Santa arrived early.. I got a Trashcan!! In-Reply-To: <65110.71243.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <888639.56712.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 12/15/09, NotarySojac wrote: > I picked up a nice 1947 Seeburg 147M Trashcan last week. > Got it from one of our list members for $400. Congratulations! So, your has the two color wheels, one in the dome and one in the door? This must have been very popular because Seeburg made a retrofit kit for the 146es to add these components. > If you are a Trashcan owner and can impart pearls of wisdom > then I'm all ears. I'm in the same boat you are. I have a 148 hideaway that I want to start working on this Spring. Mine has a wireless selection receiver, so I'm afraid to plug it in. Does anybody rebuild these? Does anyone offer a package deal to rebuild the receiver and the amp? Alternately, does anyone have a wired selection receiver for sale cheap? :-) I think it was Aaron who wrote a while back that he just gutted a wireless selection receiver so as not to have to worry about all the radio stuff, but I'd like to keep mine intact if I can, if only as a display piece. I'm also curious if the decals on the top of the mechanism are reproduced. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 12:14:36 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Dec 15 12:16:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a ... In-Reply-To: <4B27DC6F.9030000@west.net> Message-ID: <313474.83633.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Boxes on free play at parties and with kids around wind up > with a ton of selections made that play long after the > guests have left. Boy, that's for sure (the kids part). At one Fourth of July party at my house, the "Perpetual" G-200 was playing every obscure B-side imaginable - stuff nobody had ever hear or heard of before. I thought maybe the pulse converter/selection arms had got jogged out of alignment. I soon found out the culprit was my 6 year old nephew, who was going up to the machine and making a half-dozen random selections every few minutes. After a few hours he'd picked almost every selection in the box. From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Dec 15 12:26:27 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Dec 15 12:28:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Santa arrived early.. I got a Trashcan!! In-Reply-To: <888639.56712.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <65110.71243.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <888639.56712.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yep... that was me, David. I was pouring over the schematic for weeks on end trying to come up with a way to rebuilt the power supply/selection receiver and simply cut off the power to the "wireless" section without hurting anything else. It grew more and more apparent that I was going to have to do some sort of "damage" to remove just the wireless receiver. It was at the point that I said I wanted to do everything I could to save it that I started taking stock of reasons why I wanted to keep it original. When the cost of keeping it... and having to rebuild every single inch of the wireless circuit started to get weighed out.. I elected that having to go through the time and difficulty (and expense) of going through a rebuild - WITHOUT any prospect of actually owning a wireless wall box for testing what I was rebuilding - was too much of a undertaking. Besides that... the condition of my power supply/receiver was NOT good. My 148 sat on a mud-floor garage for almost 50 years before it wound up in my shop. Armed with that soul searching, a buddy of mine and myself went through the entire schematic and did "snippy-do" on every single component that had anything to do with the wireless receiver. We also re-routed many wires and basically removed a ton of things that had nothing to do with the power supply/selection receiver. In a matter of hours, the power supply was back up and the jukebox was running great. In fact, it was the wireless receiver section of the power supply that started to burn up when I made some initial controlled tests of the jukebox shortly after I brought it home. So basically... it was one less headache to worry about in the restoration of the 148. But I'm pretty sure that the plain jane version of the power supply/selection receiver will work as a replacement if you can find one from the normal parts sources. Aaron On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:06 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Tue, 12/15/09, NotarySojac wrote: > > > I picked up a nice 1947 Seeburg 147M Trashcan last week. > > Got it from one of our list members for $400. > > Congratulations! So, your has the two color wheels, one > in the dome and one in the door? This must have been > very popular because Seeburg made a retrofit kit for > the 146es to add these components. > > > If you are a Trashcan owner and can impart pearls of wisdom > > then I'm all ears. > > I'm in the same boat you are. I have a 148 hideaway that > I want to start working on this Spring. Mine has a wireless > selection receiver, so I'm afraid to plug it in. Does > anybody rebuild these? Does anyone offer a package deal > to rebuild the receiver and the amp? Alternately, does > anyone have a wired selection receiver for sale cheap? :-) > > I think it was Aaron who wrote a while back that he just > gutted a wireless selection receiver so as not to have to > worry about all the radio stuff, but I'd like to keep mine > intact if I can, if only as a display piece. > > > I'm also curious if the decals on the top of the mechanism > are reproduced. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Dec 15 12:31:46 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Dec 15 12:33:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a ... In-Reply-To: <313474.83633.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4B27DC6F.9030000@west.net> <313474.83633.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That's a great story, David. All of the kids in my family are just not interested in them. Besides that, they all know that Uncle Aaron will kill them if anything is touched. I have been known to go ballistic on anyone that mishandles a piece of museum. In fact, I caught my one nephew trying to shove a pair of scissors into the grill of my Seeburg M100C. I practically hauled the kid up the stairs by his hair, threw him at my sister-in-law and told her to leave my house immediately. When she asked what was wrong, MY two kids came up and told her what little Joel was doing. She immediately tried to tell my wife what a jerk I was... how dare I... etc. My wife... who KNOWS the value and importance of the jukes told her sister she was irresponsible and kicked her out of the house. Now... no one touches them. Oh... my sister-in-law paid for a new grill cloth. Aaron On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:14 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: > > > Boxes on free play at parties and with kids around wind up > > with a ton of selections made that play long after the > > guests have left. > > Boy, that's for sure (the kids part). At one Fourth of > July party at my house, the "Perpetual" G-200 was playing > every obscure B-side imaginable - stuff nobody had ever > hear or heard of before. I thought maybe the pulse > converter/selection arms had got jogged out of alignment. > I soon found out the culprit was my 6 year old nephew, > who was going up to the machine and making a half-dozen > random selections every few minutes. After a few hours > he'd picked almost every selection in the box. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Tue Dec 15 13:12:28 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Tue Dec 15 13:14:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a ... In-Reply-To: References: <4B27DC6F.9030000@west.net> <313474.83633.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301ca7dcb$4f3fba10$edbf2e30$@force9.co.uk> I couldn't agree more Aaron. Same happens over here in England! What amazes me is the parents of the offending kids sit back and try and take no notice while their little kid gets his fingers stuck into damaging my pride and joys, banging every possible button hard and inflicting as much damage as possible. My own daughter is paranoid (she's 14 and has her own jukebox) and stands there in a state of horror watching them attempt to damage the things we've put so much pride and joy into restoring. I can completely relate to your story. Nigel, -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron H Sent: 15 December 2009 20:32 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a ... That's a great story, David. All of the kids in my family are just not interested in them. Besides that, they all know that Uncle Aaron will kill them if anything is touched. I have been known to go ballistic on anyone that mishandles a piece of museum. In fact, I caught my one nephew trying to shove a pair of scissors into the grill of my Seeburg M100C. I practically hauled the kid up the stairs by his hair, threw him at my sister-in-law and told her to leave my house immediately. When she asked what was wrong, MY two kids came up and told her what little Joel was doing. She immediately tried to tell my wife what a jerk I was... how dare I... etc. My wife... who KNOWS the value and importance of the jukes told her sister she was irresponsible and kicked her out of the house. Now... no one touches them. Oh... my sister-in-law paid for a new grill cloth. Aaron On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:14 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: > > > Boxes on free play at parties and with kids around wind up > > with a ton of selections made that play long after the > > guests have left. > > Boy, that's for sure (the kids part). At one Fourth of > July party at my house, the "Perpetual" G-200 was playing > every obscure B-side imaginable - stuff nobody had ever > hear or heard of before. I thought maybe the pulse > converter/selection arms had got jogged out of alignment. > I soon found out the culprit was my 6 year old nephew, > who was going up to the machine and making a half-dozen > random selections every few minutes. After a few hours > he'd picked almost every selection in the box. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Dec 15 13:59:16 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Dec 15 14:00:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Minor tweeking Message-ID: Tad. Picking up records and tripping too soon are 2 different issues. The record transfer arms on Rock Olas need to be lubricated well to work, or they won't pick up records. "Record transfer arm" is just what it sounds like, the round arm that picks the records up. IMPORTANT: Oil not only on the major pivot (4 grooves on the round base shaft, probably), but on the inside plunger near the base that actually grabs the edge of the record. Use some machine oil (not 3-in-1 red can, or Zoom, theycontain paraffin, but 3-in-1 in the BLUE can is OK). Lubricate anything that looks like it moves. Cycle and observe a few times so you can see what moves and where to oil. After 5 or 10 cycles, the oil will work in, loosen up the old grease, and it should pick everything up. After this, records should be getting picked up off the turntable properly. If by chance they are, but not getting picked up out of the record magazine (basket, wheel, whatever you want to call it) properly, then the magazine may need to be adjusted. The record basket needs to be completely loaded or it will be off balance and may not stop properly centered. Make a few selections and be sure the slots stop reasonable close to the center of the record transfer arm. As for the end of record switch (near rear of tonearm), simply loosen it and adjust it back a tiny bit. If it's blade switches, bend them carefully back a hair. They should still be close to each other so that it doesn't take much to trip it. Be sure to buy a manual for your machine. They are typically $22-$35. Worth every penny. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 14:06:28 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 15 14:08:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <90277.20649.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ron, (Great name, by the way ! )? What happens if you move a lever to the selected state, THEN try to make a selection prior to the carriage pushing the original pin to the non-selected side ? Does it "hammer" the SECOND pin (into the selected state) ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Ron Davis wrote: From: Ron Davis Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 4:56 AM Hi, I need help, (my doctor mentioned something similar years ago) but first I must say as a relative newbie to this group, I get great pleasure in reading responses from experts who obviously have a love for what they do and know what they are talking about.? That's not all that common these days. I have owned this Rock-Ola for more than 25 years and it has given me great pleasure. (A few headaches along the way also)? But I am now stuck. I even had a look at the manual!? If I press a selection the record rack will jerk but not much else.? Do this two or three times and the rack will rotate one complete turn and stop with a jerky movement. The hammers on the wobble plate do not register anything.? If I select a lever on the wobble plate, everything takes over as normal.? I have attempted to clean all relays and connections. I guess I've missed one or two.? Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Ron Davis _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 14:13:40 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 15 14:15:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record wheel won't stop at some selections In-Reply-To: <20091215.121411.9017.3@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <587827.44477.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, I agree with you on that--that's why I have a "test jig" built up for that--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/15/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Record wheel won't stop at some selections To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 9:14 AM Ron: The phenolic fingers of an RO contact block will sometimes scrape and grind in the channels of an RO 50's-early 60's pinbank during search mode. Lots of friction. In an ideal world, no, there shouldn't be any grease there. These guide channels are either slightly out of round or have dents/bends in them,making the contact blocks hang up.? ???It's equallyimportant to clean away old, coagulated grease frm these areas.??? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=K0NWGHqtUHTItal-bDTQyAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 14:25:09 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Dec 15 14:26:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <460803.51309.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Aaron H wrote: > That's a great story, David. All of > the kids in my family are just not > interested in them. Besides that, they all know that Uncle > Aaron will kill them if anything is touched... Oh, the poor little kid! He's just inquisitive! [ --NOT!} My nephew actually likes jukeboxes. That was the problem. He loved making selections. I just had to finally tell him that he had to *read* the title strips and only select songs he *wanted* to hear. At first, when he was about four, he called it a "CD player". Before long, he was the only kid at his Kindergarten that knew the difference between a 45 and a 78! But, yeah, if any little brat touched my Iconoscope, I'd pitch him in the bay. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 14:29:00 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 15 14:30:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mystery cartridge In-Reply-To: <932264.86644.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <793739.19458.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, That's an Astatic 51-x (needle size determines the "x" ) Don't remember if it's original or not, and too lazy to get out the manual to look, but it should work-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/15/09, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mystery cartridge To: "Jukebox List" Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 10:33 AM Regarding my newest Trashcan acquisition: The tone arm is host to what appears to be an aftermarket cartridge. Anyone know what this is? There are no markings identifying make or model. I posted some pix of it on Photobucket: ? ? Mystery cartridge: ? ? http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Mystery%20Cartridge/ Also, someone on eBay is selling a rather interesting, but cracked, original dome: ? ? ???http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190356865634&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Is this what the original domes looked like? Are repros of this style being made? Since I need to replace my cracked dome, I'd prefer this style! TIA Bob - Chicago _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 14:32:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 15 14:34:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <447226.90778.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guys, One other thught on these models--the keyboards DO tend to "stick" down every once in awhile--that's why the VERY small 3/8 th fuse is used ---Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Aaron H wrote: From: Aaron H Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Free play on a ... To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 11:17 AM The good news, Jay, is that my kids know how to work the jukeboxes and have never once abused them. I only have to watch out for the two-year old and the worse thing he does is try to get a credit by dumping in pennies. Of course, he doesn't do anything but jam up the coin slot and slug rejector. He's not strong enough to push a button on the 1250 without help so there's no chance he can press a button and leave it pressed for anything other than a second or two. Anybody that's ever come over to my house for a party knows never to play a jukebox without permission and none of the nieces or nephews aren't interested. I'm just asking about doing it because...no fooling... we really can't keep loose change in the house any longer with school lunches and other things the kids are involved in. And when the coin cups become empty, I have to raid the coin boxes for money. At 6:30 in the morning when.... oh forget it. I sitting here defending my reason why I want to put my jukebox on free-play. Wow! On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > It's your jukebox, so customize it as you choose, but unless the coin gear > is missing or totally unrepairable, I really like to leave jukes on coin and > not convert to free play. > > Free play has a tendency to allow parts to be stressed beyond design as > things that are supposed to be energized briefly wind up energized full > time.? Yes, there are special adapters with timeouts to prevent this but > they tend to be expensive. > > Boxes on free play at parties and with kids around wind up with a ton of > selections made that play long after the guests have left. > > Putting a coin in the slot is part of the whole jukebox experience. > > I just put out a bowl of nickels near the jukebox and recycle coins from > the cash box when it gets low. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 14:44:32 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 15 14:46:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Santa arrived early.. I got a Trashcan!! In-Reply-To: <888639.56712.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <58369.58372.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Yep-VG has decals, and maybe A-1 also??? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/15/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Santa arrived early.. I got a Trashcan!! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 12:06 PM --- On Tue, 12/15/09, NotarySojac wrote: > I picked up a nice 1947 Seeburg 147M Trashcan last week. > Got it from one of our list members for $400. Congratulations!? So, your has the two color wheels, one in the dome and one in the door?? This must have been very popular because Seeburg made a retrofit kit for the 146es to add these components. > If you are a Trashcan owner and can impart pearls of wisdom > then I'm all ears. I'm in the same boat you are.? I have a 148 hideaway that I want to start working on this Spring.? Mine has a wireless selection receiver, so I'm afraid to plug it in.? Does anybody rebuild these?? Does anyone offer a package deal to rebuild the receiver and the amp?? Alternately, does anyone have a wired selection receiver for sale cheap? :-) I think it was Aaron who wrote a while back that he just gutted a wireless selection receiver so as not to have to worry about all the radio stuff, but I'd like to keep mine intact if I can, if only as a display piece. I'm also curious if the decals on the top of the mechanism are reproduced.? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From bobe at halted.com Tue Dec 15 17:17:23 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Tue Dec 15 17:36:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Santa arrived early.. I got a Trashcan!! Message-ID: <2.2.32.20091216011723.009b58bc@hsces.com> At 12:06 PM 12/15/2009 -0800, you wrote: > >I'm in the same boat you are. I have a 148 hideaway that >I want to start working on this Spring. Mine has a wireless >selection receiver, so I'm afraid to plug it in. Does >anybody rebuild these? There was a guy who wrote a couple of articles in Always Jukin' about a year ago that probably is now the most knowlegable on these systems, I *think* he also services them...I'll have to search my back issues to see. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 15 18:43:49 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Tue Dec 15 18:45:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record wheel won't stop at some selections References: Message-ID: <9C01501CA24248F3AE63857FEBD8284E@dirksen> Bill - what you are describing sounds to me like the popularity meter. This device is used solely to "measure" the amount of times each record is played and has nothing to do with the function of the machine. There is a little black metal "button" at 12 o'clock you can press to re-set the pop meter and all pins will retract inside the wheel. The pinbank is located directly underneath the turntable. There are two rows of pins and they move "sideways" about a quarter inch. The odd numbers move towards the rear, and even selections move towards the front of the machine when you press a button. They should all be towards the center when the machine is at rest. The info Jim Alexander should help you fix the problem. One more thing - most people want all 120 selections to play, not just 60 :). Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Signor" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:29 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record wheel won't stop at some selections > Hi All, > I gathered that this can be a common problem with older Rock-ola models. I > have a Tempo II Model 120. When making selections, about 7 of my A, B, C > selections won't stop and play. I took off the turntable and cover and see > a wheel with pins in it in the front down below turntable. A handful of > "pins" are pushed all the way into the wheel and a few are I/2 way out. > The rest of them are all pulled out fully. My questions are: 1) Have I > located the problem? 2) Should the pins all be out when a record is not > playing and 3) Should I pull them out with a pincher and should they be > lubricated and with oil? Plain household mechanical oil? > > I would like all sixty selections to play. Thanks for your help in > advance. Bill > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.107/2564 - Release Date: 12/14/09 02:37:00 From pinballpauls at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 22:36:18 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Tue Dec 15 22:37:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mystery cartridge In-Reply-To: <932264.86644.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <932264.86644.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is an Astatic 51-1 cartridge. Used by many restorers back in the 80's On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:33 PM, NotarySojac wrote: > Regarding my newest Trashcan acquisition: > > The tone arm is host to what appears to be an aftermarket cartridge. > Anyone know what this is? There are no markings identifying make or model. > > I posted some pix of it on Photobucket: > > > Mystery cartridge: > > http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Mystery%20Cartridge/ > > > Also, someone on eBay is selling a rather interesting, but cracked, > original dome: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190356865634&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > Is this what the original domes looked like? Are repros of this style being > made? Since I need to replace my cracked dome, I'd prefer this style! > > TIA > Bob - Chicago > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 15 23:21:55 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 15 23:24:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mystery cartridge Message-ID: <20091216.022155.17497.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: RE: Your 147 Seeb. trashcan Hope this info helps: The Astatic 51 mono ceramic element phono cartridge is no longer available but spare replacement needles are, in various tip sizes for 78 RPM or 45 RPM records. 3 mil should be used if you're spinning original shellac 78's. 2 mil tip size should be used for modern repro 78's. .7 mil tip should be used for 45's. If your cartridge is defective and needs to be replaced, the Pfanstiehl P-51 is a close replacement. Order your P-51 with the same choice of stylus tip sizes. The stepped trash can dome lid was used on the model 148, the last of the 3 trashcan models. Replica versions for the domes, and side plastics are available from Victory Glass. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=KbmVe2Oswiqya6mZxq17hwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 16 02:43:44 2009 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Wed Dec 16 02:45:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 price Message-ID: Merry Christmas to everyone :) I have a chance to buy a complete (assume not working) Seeburg 201, in somewhat rough shape (one side glass broken; rusty front grill/ pitted tail light assys; and rusty amp and stepper...rest of inside, key board, buttons, cabinet and mech cover look ok). Is that worth $500 and a 1 1/2 hour drive? Thank you, Rick. From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 16 03:33:10 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Wed Dec 16 03:34:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] continental 1 problem Message-ID: <536474.70950.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi folks, further to my earlier query regarding my AMI continental 1. Just to recap....Having taken the transfer motor apart to clean it as I have done several times before, I can now get the jukebox to select and do everything correct until, the carousel stops at the selected record, then nothing. It just sits there and doesnt go into transfer mode. Any suggestions where to look would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Gary From ron at rondavismarine.co.uk Wed Dec 16 05:08:48 2009 From: ron at rondavismarine.co.uk (Ron Davis) Date: Wed Dec 16 05:17:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: : Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems In-Reply-To: <20091215200004.64CD6AB072@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20091215200004.64CD6AB072@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Message: 23 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:33:40 GMT From: "James Alexander" Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Message-ID: <20091215.113340.9017.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Jim, Thanks for that, but where do I get Caig De Oxit here in Cyprus? Mail order anywhere? When I first got the juke it had years of cigarette tar, spilt beer and god know what all over it, inside and out. I have used many types of so called "contact cleaners" over the years, most cause more harm than good, some even destroying plastic items including the selector buttons. The only one I can find here I think tells untruths on the label. It's called "Contact Clean" by "CRAMOLIN"(German made) but seems to do little. The basket though turns well on scan, and I can find no problems with the micro switch or pinbank connections. The solenoid selection hammers just don't seem to be receiving the message from the buttons. I have circuit tested most connections but I must be missing something. Perhaps it's old age, or is it the whisky? What was I saying? Ron Davis Ron: Doe the record basket rotate without jerking if you use the scan switch? If yes, The intermittent,jerky action is probably being caused by the wobble-plate start switch contacts not making. If operation is jerky using the scan switch, the fault lies with bad connections or with the basket motor. At one end of the pinbank, you should see a microswitch. The switch action is operated by the wobble plate. There should be some adjustability of the microswitch here if your problem is a mechanical tripping of the switch. If the switch has failed, it will need to be changed. Switch adjustment technique is described in the service manual. The hammer solenoid not working, to register selector pins is a separate problem. At one side of the pinbank, you should see a large circuit board with some rotary contact segments. There are a set of switch wiper arms that ride over these contacts. If dirty, the fault could be here. I suggest spraying some Caig De Oxit contact cleaner onto a clean rag, then wiping clean the contact segments. Don't handle or bend the wiper contacts. This is generally sufficient to clean. Most of the action in a RockOla phono mechanism is mechanically based. To run dependably, the unit should be cleaned and oiled on a routine basis. For a home jukebox, this is approx. once every 5 years or more. Follow the cleaning/lube chart in your service manual to offset problems like this. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=8KRTyDQovsmOZMIQbm-JmQAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHR wOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= ******************************************** From jeremy at dwave.net Wed Dec 16 07:34:56 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Wed Dec 16 07:36:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 price In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091216152852.M18008@dwave.net> Rick, it depends on the reason you want to purchase it - is it for the enjoyment of restoring it or are you trying to "flip" it and make some dough? Rusty amp and stepper may indicate excessive moisture (rotted cabinet?). I like to check on the cost of replacement parts when I consider purchasing a new project. If it is complete and you really want it, go for it. Be prepared to ask for a lower price or head home empty handed if the condition is worse than you thought. Good luck Jeremy Agema On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:43:44 -0800, Rick Force wrote > Merry Christmas to everyone :) > > I have a chance to buy a complete (assume not working) Seeburg 201, in somewhat rough shape (one side glass broken; rusty front grill/ pitted tail light assys; and rusty amp and stepper...rest of inside, key board, buttons, cabinet and mech cover look ok). Is that worth $500 and a 1 1/2 hour drive? Thank you, Rick. > > ? ???? ???? ???? ? ???? ???? ? _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 16 08:05:02 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 16 08:07:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: : Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems Message-ID: <20091216.110502.7058.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hello Ron: I'm soory I'm not sure where you would find Caig Labs De Oxit in Cyprus. The product is normally sold through wholesale electronics parts distributors. Companies I'm aware of that have a large on line presence are Newark, Allied and Mouser Electronics if that helps. I have heard of the Cramoline line of products, and I'm told that it is similar to De Oxit as a contact cleaner. The switch segments and wiper arms on your RockOla 435 juke's pinbank having intermittent connections are a prime suspect when you are having the problems that you are reporting. If you can't get a good-quality contact cleaner, cleaning the contacts by hand with a good -quality (pencil) eraser sometimes helps. Unless they are visibly damaged and need attention, I suggest leaving the wiper contacts alone. The selector pins in the pinbank should flip up and down freely. The write in, read out, and pin-cancel solenoids should be free to move as well. You mentioned there's a build up of cigarette tar, grime etc in you r juke from it's previous environment. These elements become tacky and make mechanical systems sticky. These parts need to be clean for normal operation-do not oil them. Your juke should normally be cleaned and oiled every few years for dependable operation. Your RockOla 435 service manual should give you those details. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Hotel Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=5WhdUJxXpV2Jh_8jQWmePgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 16 08:25:19 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 16 08:28:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 price Message-ID: <20091216.112519.7058.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hello, Rick: This can be a difficult question to answer. Are you motivated to buy this as a personal restoration project that you'd like to undertake, or are you doing this to refurbish the unit and sell it? If your answer is the latter, you're describing a juke that sounds like it will need almost $1,200 worth of replacement parts (all you described,plus amp, tormat rebuilding, tubes, mech overhaul,chrome refinishing etc) Because of the rust, it sounds as if this unit was exposed to a lot of moisture. Expect to find corroded connections, switch contacts connectors, etc that will need attention. A job like this will require a sizable labor commitment from you. Check for the structure integrity of the wood cabinet--it could be rotted from dampness. If you're up for this, see if you can negotiate the price down. The alternative is to see what other as-found 201's are selling for on E Bay and in the jukebox newspapers.Chances are if you expand your search you can find a nicer one. If you're doing this for resale, nicely restored classics are fetching almost-normal "bluebook" prices, but's it's harder to find buyers in this economic climate. Hope this answers your question, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=RsQwqcK2HgrGafPstt624gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 16 08:33:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 16 08:34:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 price In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <268856.13942.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, I would have to see it to make a "true" assessment --however, IMHO, as long as there are no major problems (such as a bad transformer--), and the cabinet is "restore-able", I would consider it--? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/16/09, Rick Force wrote: From: Rick Force Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 price To: "juke list" Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 2:43 AM Merry Christmas to everyone :) I have a chance to buy a complete (assume not working) Seeburg 201, in somewhat rough shape (one side glass broken; rusty front grill/ pitted tail light assys; and rusty amp and stepper...rest of inside, key board, buttons, cabinet and mech cover look ok). Is that worth $500 and a 1 1/2 hour drive? Thank you, Rick. ? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 16 08:34:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 16 08:36:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] continental 1 problem In-Reply-To: <536474.70950.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <163905.64643.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Geary, I would "put a meter" on the motor--see if it's getting power??? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/16/09, Gary Young wrote: From: Gary Young Subject: [Jukebox-list] continental 1 problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 3:33 AM Hi folks, further to my earlier query regarding my AMI continental 1. Just to recap....Having taken the transfer motor apart to clean it as I have done several times before, I can now get the jukebox to select and do everything correct until, the carousel stops at the selected record, then nothing. It just sits there and doesnt go into transfer mode. Any suggestions where to look would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Gary _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From d.carriveau at att.net Tue Dec 15 17:58:18 2009 From: d.carriveau at att.net (d.carriveau@att.net) Date: Wed Dec 16 08:40:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mystery cartridge In-Reply-To: <932264.86644.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <121620090158.8394.4B283EBA0004863C000020CA22193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF9A0E0A90079D9D0E0CD20B@att.net> I understand the red smooth dome was on a 146, the rippled white dome was optional on a 147 and standard on a 148. Is that correct? I have a 146 and replaced the broken red dome with a used smooth white one. -------------- Original message from NotarySojac : -------------- > Regarding my newest Trashcan acquisition: > > The tone arm is host to what appears to be an aftermarket cartridge. > Anyone know what this is? There are no markings identifying make or model. > > I posted some pix of it on Photobucket: > > > Mystery cartridge: > http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Mystery%20Cartridge/ > > Also, someone on eBay is selling a rather interesting, but cracked, original > dome: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190356865634&ssPageName=STRK: > MEWAX:IT > Is this what the original domes looked like? Are repros of this style being > made? Since I need to replace my cracked dome, I'd prefer this style! > > TIA > Bob - Chicago > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Dec 16 08:52:22 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Dec 16 08:54:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mystery cartridge In-Reply-To: <121620090158.8394.4B283EBA0004863C000020CA22193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF9A0E0A90079D9D0E0CD20B@att.net> References: <121620090158.8394.4B283EBA0004863C000020CA22193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF9A0E0A90079D9D0E0CD20B@att.net> Message-ID: <9B7A8C27-D69C-4D65-AAD4-724505B4FE63@verizon.net> I also have a Seeburg 147M and it came (in terrible shape!) with a cracked smooth dome, I replaced it with a repro smooth dome also. Jackie On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:58 PM, d.carriveau@att.net wrote: > > I understand the red smooth dome was on a 146, the rippled white dome was optional on a 147 and standard on a 148. Is that correct? I have a 146 and replaced the broken red dome with a used smooth white one. > -------------- Original message from NotarySojac : -------------- > > >> Regarding my newest Trashcan acquisition: >> >> The tone arm is host to what appears to be an aftermarket cartridge. >> Anyone know what this is? There are no markings identifying make or model. >> >> I posted some pix of it on Photobucket: >> >> >> Mystery cartridge: >> http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Mystery%20Cartridge/ >> >> Also, someone on eBay is selling a rather interesting, but cracked, original >> dome: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190356865634&ssPageName=STRK: >> MEWAX:IT >> Is this what the original domes looked like? Are repros of this style being >> made? Since I need to replace my cracked dome, I'd prefer this style! >> >> TIA >> Bob - Chicago >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 16 10:09:48 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Wed Dec 16 10:11:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Trashcan lower animation Message-ID: <927973.30446.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> First off, thanks to all who responded to my posting yesterday. Your words of encouragement know no bounds! I'm truly pumped to get the Trashcan running again. I ordered a couple of 3mil styli from Durfee (thanks for the link, Aaron... and no, you cannot have my Luxury Lightup!). Jeremy's Photobucket pix are very helpful. Interesting that I scored a wireless receiver with this box. A wireless wallbox was on eBay this week (auction ended at $71... wish I knew what I had!). You can view the eBay auction at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320460255988&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT With the juke I also got an ancient binder with the operator's manual and service guide along with the wireless wallbox manual. I was thumbing through it this morning and noticed that a lower-door color animation kit was a option for the 174M. I would love to have one of these kits but where to get them?? I checked Victory Glass (I knew they stock the upper dome animation kit) but all they seem to carry is the color cylinder sheet for the lower-door unit. Any leads in this direction would be appreciated! I hope they are not made out of "unobtainium"!! Thanks again to all who commented on and off list. Bob - Chicago P.S. Seems Trashcans are falling outta the sky here in the upper midwest USA: http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/ele/1509954853.html http://madison.craigslist.org/clt/1495396565.html http://greenbay.craigslist.org/atq/1474882747.html From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 16 10:20:19 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Wed Dec 16 10:21:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Original AMP rebuild receipts (Trashcan) Message-ID: <106859.34415.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I forgot to mention that I found a couple of receipts for what appears to be the AMP rebuild in 1994. I scanned and posted them in my Photobucket bucket: http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Seeburg%20147M%20Trashcan%20%20Welcome%20to%20your%20new%20home/ So a complete rebuild cost $251.98 back in 1994. It's kinda cool to have the name & address of one of the previous owners. Makes me wonder if the person is still around at the phone number and address. I'm going to Milwaukee for a little B&B getaway over the Christmas holidays. Perhaps I'll drive by 3472 N. Dousman St. to see if PR Novelty is still in business. Bob - Chicago From ksherwin at execpc.com Wed Dec 16 10:39:12 2009 From: ksherwin at execpc.com (Karl Sherwin) Date: Wed Dec 16 10:40:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Original AMP rebuild receipts (Trashcan) References: <106859.34415.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <032d01ca7e7f$10146980$6501a8c0@KARL> Hi Bob, PR Novelty is still in business, although they moved to 8707 W Greenfield. They primarily do jukebox amp rebuilds. I don't know of them, but have seen their ads before. Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Original AMP rebuild receipts (Trashcan) >I forgot to mention that I found a couple of receipts for what appears to >be the AMP rebuild in 1994. > > I scanned and posted them in my Photobucket bucket: > > http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Seeburg%20147M%20Trashcan%20%20Welcome%20to%20your%20new%20home/ > > So a complete rebuild cost $251.98 back in 1994. > > It's kinda cool to have the name & address of one of the previous owners. > Makes me wonder if the person is still around at the phone number and > address. > I'm going to Milwaukee for a little B&B getaway over the Christmas > holidays. Perhaps I'll drive by 3472 N. Dousman St. to see if PR Novelty > is still in business. > > Bob - Chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 16 11:16:10 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Wed Dec 16 11:17:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg Trashcan lower animation Message-ID: <132862.94147.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave, Disclaimer: I get the DIGEST so I'm a little late in responding here.. I saw this on the archive. I really don't know if I have the lower color wheel! I'm writing this at work (yeah, it's kinda slow around this time of year) and took a look at the photo of the inside of my door: http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/WheezerTheGeezer/Seeburg%20147M%20Trashcan%20%20Welcome%20to%20your%20new%20home/?action=view¤t=100_4629.jpg The lower fixture does seem to be a tad more 'beefy' than the top bulb fixture. I need to take the lower fixture out and have a look at it when I get home later today. I hope that it IS a color wheel. I can tell you that it lights up but I do not detect any animation down there from a casual look-see. Bob -Chicago >David Breneman david_breneman at yahoo.com >Tue Dec 15 12:06:27 PST 2009 > * Previous message: [Jukebox-list] Santa arrived early.. I got a Trashcan!! > * Next message: [Jukebox-list] Santa arrived early.. I got a Trashcan!! > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >________________________________ > >--- On Tue, 12/15/09, NotarySojac wrote: > >> I picked up a nice 1947 Seeburg 147M Trashcan last week. > >Got it from one of our list members for $400. > >Congratulations! So, your has the two color wheels, one >in the dome and one in the door? This must have been >very popular because Seeburg made a retrofit kit for >the 146es to add these components. From donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com Wed Dec 16 12:23:22 2009 From: donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com (luke & lucy) Date: Wed Dec 16 12:24:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe ami L200 (possibly JAL) Message-ID: <6B3E4E4336B74B7DA8B0B2FBA8F30C74@DBTOA000> Hi all I'm looking at buying this juke and hoped someone out there might know a bit about them. If anyone's owned or worked on one can you give me any thoughts on reliability, parts availability, known issues or any advice at all I would be very grateful thanks Luke From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Dec 16 12:56:38 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Wed Dec 16 12:58:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe ami L200 (possibly JAL) In-Reply-To: <6B3E4E4336B74B7DA8B0B2FBA8F30C74@DBTOA000> References: <6B3E4E4336B74B7DA8B0B2FBA8F30C74@DBTOA000> Message-ID: <001801ca7e92$433f7e40$c9be7ac0$@force9.co.uk> Hi Luke, The JAL / JEL 200 is the first Rowe Ami machine and the first machine to use the 1100 mech. When set up they are very reliable, and with the manual you can sort out most issues. The mechanism existed in an almost identical format until 1976 so generally you won't have problems with spares if you need any. When set up correctly the sound system will blow you away on this machine. They really have a fantastic sound - but years of botches and bad repairs usually means the cartridge / speaker wiring all needs checking out. They use a system Rowe called Stereo Round, which relies on the left and right channels operating out of phase. Lots of people think this is wrong and mess, resulting in an awful sounding machine. Set up right you will find the sound hard to beat. I have a JBM Tropicana, the next 1 year younger model, so will always be on here for mechanical advice as the 1100 mech is my speciality. There is a JAL and JEL. They are almost identical, just different coloured cabinets/ cabinet sides, and decals etc... Hope that encourages you a bit, Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of luke & lucy Sent: 16 December 2009 20:23 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe ami L200 (possibly JAL) Hi all I'm looking at buying this juke and hoped someone out there might know a bit about them. If anyone's owned or worked on one can you give me any thoughts on reliability, parts availability, known issues or any advice at all I would be very grateful thanks Luke _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From johntrav at windstream.net Wed Dec 16 13:58:14 2009 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Wed Dec 16 13:59:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe ami L200 (possibly JAL) References: <6B3E4E4336B74B7DA8B0B2FBA8F30C74@DBTOA000> <001801ca7e92$433f7e40$c9be7ac0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <8EF8E3CB928B433698FF6D2C23EB0C31@JOHNTRAV> I recently sold my JAN Diplomat (purchased in 1976) which, like Nigel's Tropicana, is identical except for minor trim differences. Rowe used the same basic mech for over 30 years. In many cases, improvements were backward compatible and the longevity of the mech means plenty of spares and technical advice are available. John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] rowe ami L200 (possibly JAL) > Hi Luke, > > The JAL / JEL 200 is the first Rowe Ami machine and the first machine to > use > the 1100 mech. > > When set up they are very reliable, and with the manual you can sort out > most issues. The mechanism existed in an almost identical format until > 1976 > so generally you won't have problems with spares if you need any. > > When set up correctly the sound system will blow you away on this machine. > They really have a fantastic sound - but years of botches and bad repairs > usually means the cartridge / speaker wiring all needs checking out. They > use a system Rowe called Stereo Round, which relies on the left and right > channels operating out of phase. Lots of people think this is wrong and > mess, resulting in an awful sounding machine. Set up right you will find > the > sound hard to beat. > > I have a JBM Tropicana, the next 1 year younger model, so will always be > on > here for mechanical advice as the 1100 mech is my speciality. > > There is a JAL and JEL. They are almost identical, just different coloured > cabinets/ cabinet sides, and decals etc... > > Hope that encourages you a bit, > > Regards > > Nigel > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of luke & lucy > Sent: 16 December 2009 20:23 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe ami L200 (possibly JAL) > > Hi all > I'm looking at buying this juke and hoped someone out there might know a > bit > about them. If anyone's owned or worked on one can you give me any > thoughts > on reliability, parts availability, known issues or any advice at all I > would be very grateful > thanks Luke > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 16 20:16:34 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Wed Dec 16 20:18:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] continental 1 problem References: <536474.70950.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5E01ECFA63204F76A5F49C0C447E7C5C@dirksen> I would first plug in the motor directly to a wall outlet to be sure it is working OK. Do this without power to the machine - you don't want the basket to accidentally take off while the gripper is closing. If the motor works OK, then you need to find out why it is not being energized. The transfer motor is energized through the motor control relay (inside the little box where the motor plugs into). Is this relay pulling in? If so, clean and check the contacts. If not, you need to trace the relay circuit. The circuit goes through the stopping switch, transfer switch #2, the relay coil, and a normally closed set of contacts on the reversing relay (inside the little box with the on/off and scan switch for the mech). We know the stopping switch is OK since the basket stops. Check the 3 other items (and the wiring between them) and let us know. Good luck, Jim Dirksen PS - I'm curious as to why you have cleaned the transfer motor several times. It shouldn't require that much cleaning. A common problem with that motor is press fit gears that become loose on the shaft, so the motor is actually turning, but with no transfer action. Be sure that this is not the case. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Young" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:33 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] continental 1 problem Hi folks, further to my earlier query regarding my AMI continental 1. Just to recap....Having taken the transfer motor apart to clean it as I have done several times before, I can now get the jukebox to select and do everything correct until, the carousel stops at the selected record, then nothing. It just sits there and doesnt go into transfer mode. Any suggestions where to look would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Gary _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.109/2567 - Release Date: 12/15/09 14:58:00 From ron at rondavismarine.co.uk Wed Dec 16 22:29:12 2009 From: ron at rondavismarine.co.uk (Ron Davis) Date: Wed Dec 16 22:30:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection In-Reply-To: <20091216200004.5AF88AB0E8@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20091216200004.5AF88AB0E8@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, (Yea, Ron's OK. Don't like Ronald much, makes me feel I've done something wrong) If move a selection lever on the write in side everything happens as normal. If while this happening I make a new selection with the buttons, selection arm rotates, stops where (I think) it should but the hammers don't work. I just have a gut feeling that the problem lies either in the Transformer / rectifier area with one on the relays / fuses there, or wiring to or from. I have circuit tested (and cleaned mechanically and chemically) in that area but to no avail. Any suggestion would be appreciated. I'm off for a few days touring Turkey, so further investigation will have to wait till after Christmas. So: Seasons greetings to all. Ron Davis Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:06:28 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <90277.20649.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ron, (Great name, by the way ! ) What happens if you move a lever to the selected state, THEN try to make a selection prior to the carriage pushing the original pin to the non-selected side ? Does it "hammer" the SECOND pin (into the selected state) ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Ron Davis wrote: From: Ron Davis Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 4:56 AM Hi, I need help, (my doctor mentioned something similar years ago) but first I must say as a relative newbie to this group, I get great pleasure in reading responses from experts who obviously have a love for what they do and know what they are talking about. That's not all that common these days. I have owned this Rock-Ola for more than 25 years and it has given me great pleasure. (A few headaches along the way also) But I am now stuck. I even had a look at the manual! If I press a selection the record rack will jerk but not much else. Do this two or three times and the rack will rotate one complete turn and stop with a jerky movement. The hammers on the wobble plate do not register anything. If I select a lever on the wobble plate, everything takes over as normal. I have attempted to clean all relays and connections. I guess I've missed one or two. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Ron Davis _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 16 23:40:05 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 16 23:42:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Message-ID: <20091217.024005.20560.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Ron: Have an enjoyable tour. If your juke is old enough to have one of the old selenium rectifiers (it looks like a cylinder with large steel fins on it-located in the power junction box) in it, these do tend to fail slowly with age. As they get weak they begin to provide less voltage and current output to the devices being powered. The record basket motor, gripper arm motor, write in motor, all relays and solenoids are powered from this supply. With no load on the supply the DC voltage here should read about -32 volts DC. Under load, the supply should read -28 volts DC. Replace the original rectifier with a 25 amp silicon bridge rectifier. This may solve your problems,especially with the motors stalling. From your earlier email I had the impression there was a lot of accumulated smoke and dirt covering the components in your jukebox. The dirty prionted circuit board and wiper contacts are a frequent cause of trouble when write in functions don't work right. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ohu8YG7xPz9bkC24XhL4CAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 17 07:28:30 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Thu Dec 17 07:30:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg Trashcan lower animation Message-ID: <415272.92522.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I checked the 147M Trashcan door last night and confirmed that I DO NOT have the lower-door animation unit. But I WANT ONE! I'm curious of anyone on the list has ever found one of these on eBay or elsewhere. If you did find one, what does one cost (roughly)? I'm going to check with Victory Glass and Durfee to see if there's any hope. I'll let ya all know what transpires. Bob - Chicago From ksherwin at execpc.com Thu Dec 17 08:01:19 2009 From: ksherwin at execpc.com (Karl Sherwin) Date: Thu Dec 17 08:02:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 Message-ID: <008a01ca7f32$2c4bd4e0$6501a8c0@KARL> Hi, I know this is a long shot, but thought I'd give it a try. I'm looking for a Wurlitzer 2000 or 2100, with a preference for the 2100. I'd prefer a complete unit but will consider all options. I'm able to do the restoration and repair, so operating condition is not important. This is for my own use, not to fix and re-sell. I have a 1900 that I've had for 30+ years and always wanted the 2000 or 2100 as well. Now that I've gotten back into the jukebox stuff, that interest has rekindled. Thanks, Karl From stamann at jukebox-world.de Thu Dec 17 08:09:47 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Thu Dec 17 08:13:20 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg Trashcan lower animation Message-ID: Hello Bob, try Bill Butterfield at www.jukebox-parts.com, too. Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von NotarySojac Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Dezember 2009 16:31 An: Jukebox List Betreff: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg Trashcan lower animation I checked the 147M Trashcan door last night and confirmed that I DO NOT have the lower-door animation unit. But I WANT ONE! I'm curious of anyone on the list has ever found one of these on eBay or elsewhere. If you did find one, what does one cost (roughly)? I'm going to check with Victory Glass and Durfee to see if there's any hope. I'll let ya all know what transpires. Bob - Chicago _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From edbap at aol.com Thu Dec 17 08:12:56 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 17 08:14:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 In-Reply-To: <008a01ca7f32$2c4bd4e0$6501a8c0@KARL> References: <008a01ca7f32$2c4bd4e0$6501a8c0@KARL> Message-ID: <8CC4D4AEDBE3DCF-8184-19DB5@webmail-d038.sysops.aol.com> sounds like around $8000 to $10,000 thanks to our friends across the pond! -----Original Message----- From: Karl Sherwin To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:01 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 Hi, I know this is a long shot, but thought I'd give it a try. I'm looking for a urlitzer 2000 or 2100, with a preference for the 2100. I'd prefer a complete nit but will consider all options. I'm able to do the restoration and repair, o operating condition is not important. This is for my own use, not to fix and e-sell. I have a 1900 that I've had for 30+ years and always wanted the 2000 or 2100 as ell. Now that I've gotten back into the jukebox stuff, that interest has ekindled. Thanks, Karl ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ = From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 17 08:24:02 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 17 08:25:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <384417.71214.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ron, I dis-like "Ronald" also--for exactly the same reason ! Anyway, what you are going to need to do is follow the circuit from the "hammer coil". I suspect that all fuses are OK (Check them for correct SIZE !), and the key board is OK--since the WI carriage stops at the right place. Let us know what you find when you get back--hope you enjoy your "holiday" ! Ron Rich? --- On Wed, 12/16/09, Ron Davis wrote: From: Ron Davis Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 10:29 PM Hi Ron, (Yea, Ron's OK. Don't like Ronald much, makes me feel I've done something wrong) If move a selection lever on the write in side everything happens as normal. If while this happening I make a new selection with the buttons, selection arm rotates, stops where (I think) it should but the hammers don't work. I just have a gut feeling that the problem lies either in the Transformer / rectifier area with one on the relays / fuses there, or wiring to or from. I have circuit tested (and cleaned mechanically and chemically) in that area but to no avail. Any suggestion would be appreciated. I'm off for a few days touring Turkey, so further investigation will have to wait till after Christmas. So: Seasons greetings to all. Ron Davis? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:06:28 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection ??? Problems To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <90277.20649.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ron, (Great name, by the way ! )? What happens if you move a lever to the selected state, THEN try to make a selection prior to the carriage pushing the original pin to the non-selected side ? Does it "hammer" the SECOND pin (into the selected state) ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Ron Davis wrote: From: Ron Davis Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 4:56 AM Hi, I need help, (my doctor mentioned something similar years ago) but first I must say as a relative newbie to this group, I get great pleasure in reading responses from experts who obviously have a love for what they do and know what they are talking about.? That's not all that common these days. I have owned this Rock-Ola for more than 25 years and it has given me great pleasure. (A few headaches along the way also)? But I am now stuck. I even had a look at the manual!? If I press a selection the record rack will jerk but not much else.? Do this two or three times and the rack will rotate one complete turn and stop with a jerky movement. The hammers on the wobble plate do not register anything.? If I select a lever on the wobble plate, everything takes over as normal.? I have attempted to clean all relays and connections. I guess I've missed one or two.? Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Ron Davis _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Dec 17 08:28:12 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Thu Dec 17 08:29:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 In-Reply-To: <8CC4D4AEDBE3DCF-8184-19DB5@webmail-d038.sysops.aol.com> References: <008a01ca7f32$2c4bd4e0$6501a8c0@KARL> <8CC4D4AEDBE3DCF-8184-19DB5@webmail-d038.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I'll second that. Best of luck trying to find a 2000 or 2100 in this country. I can't tell you how many of them I saw loaded in containers in the Pheasant Run parking lot waiting to be loaded onto a ship bound for Europe. Unless some "little old lady" has one tucked away in a barn someplace after her diner went bust in 1958, you've got your work cut out for you unless you've got very deep pockets. A shame really, but I'm not going to get started on this topic. It's come up before and has been a very sore subject with me. Aaron On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > sounds like around $8000 to $10,000 thanks to our friends across the pond! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Sherwin > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:01 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 > > > Hi, > I know this is a long shot, but thought I'd give it a try. I'm looking for > a > urlitzer 2000 or 2100, with a preference for the 2100. I'd prefer a > complete > nit but will consider all options. I'm able to do the restoration and > repair, > o operating condition is not important. This is for my own use, not to fix > and > e-sell. > I have a 1900 that I've had for 30+ years and always wanted the 2000 or > 2100 as > ell. Now that I've gotten back into the jukebox stuff, that interest has > ekindled. > Thanks, > Karl > > ______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > = > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Thu Dec 17 08:48:41 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Thu Dec 17 08:50:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 In-Reply-To: References: <008a01ca7f32$2c4bd4e0$6501a8c0@KARL> <8CC4D4AEDBE3DCF-8184-19DB5@webmail-d038.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3f5bde4379e37e33d4a96f905d013203.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Im in the UK and reckon I've worked on more 2000/2100s than Wurlitzer actually made ;-) literally!! In the UK they are the two most wanted and expensive 45rpm jukeboxes. Nigel. > I'll second that. Best of luck trying to find a 2000 or 2100 in this > country. I can't tell you how many of them I saw loaded in containers in > the > Pheasant Run parking lot waiting to be loaded onto a ship bound for > Europe. > Unless some "little old lady" has one tucked away in a barn someplace > after > her diner went bust in 1958, you've got your work cut out for you unless > you've got very deep pockets. A shame really, but I'm not going to get > started on this topic. It's come up before and has been a very sore > subject > with me. > Aaron > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > >> sounds like around $8000 to $10,000 thanks to our friends across the >> pond! >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Karl Sherwin >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:01 am >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 >> >> >> Hi, >> I know this is a long shot, but thought I'd give it a try. I'm looking >> for >> a >> urlitzer 2000 or 2100, with a preference for the 2100. I'd prefer a >> complete >> nit but will consider all options. I'm able to do the restoration and >> repair, >> o operating condition is not important. This is for my own use, not to >> fix >> and >> e-sell. >> I have a 1900 that I've had for 30+ years and always wanted the 2000 or >> 2100 as >> ell. Now that I've gotten back into the jukebox stuff, that interest has >> ekindled. >> Thanks, >> Karl >> >> ______________________________________________ >> ukebox-list mailing list >> ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> = >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ksherwin at execpc.com Thu Dec 17 09:26:45 2009 From: ksherwin at execpc.com (Karl Sherwin) Date: Thu Dec 17 09:28:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 References: <008a01ca7f32$2c4bd4e0$6501a8c0@KARL><8CC4D4AEDBE3DCF-8184-19DB5@webmail-d038.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00a901ca7f3e$1b4a6240$6501a8c0@KARL> I agree with you, and saw the same thing happen with certain models of 60's cars. I did find 2 on Craigslist, reasonably priced (by today's standards), but lost out to a local person. I'll just keep looking.... Thanks, Karl ksherwin@execpc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron H" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 > I'll second that. Best of luck trying to find a 2000 or 2100 in this > country. I can't tell you how many of them I saw loaded in containers in > the > Pheasant Run parking lot waiting to be loaded onto a ship bound for > Europe. > Unless some "little old lady" has one tucked away in a barn someplace > after > her diner went bust in 1958, you've got your work cut out for you unless > you've got very deep pockets. A shame really, but I'm not going to get > started on this topic. It's come up before and has been a very sore > subject > with me. > Aaron > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > >> sounds like around $8000 to $10,000 thanks to our friends across the >> pond! >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Karl Sherwin >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:01 am >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 >> >> >> Hi, >> I know this is a long shot, but thought I'd give it a try. I'm looking >> for >> a >> urlitzer 2000 or 2100, with a preference for the 2100. I'd prefer a >> complete >> nit but will consider all options. I'm able to do the restoration and >> repair, >> o operating condition is not important. This is for my own use, not to >> fix >> and >> e-sell. >> I have a 1900 that I've had for 30+ years and always wanted the 2000 or >> 2100 as >> ell. Now that I've gotten back into the jukebox stuff, that interest has >> ekindled. >> Thanks, >> Karl >> >> ______________________________________________ >> ukebox-list mailing list >> ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> = >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 17 09:50:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 17 09:52:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 In-Reply-To: <3f5bde4379e37e33d4a96f905d013203.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Message-ID: <428402.42667.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nige, and All, I guess there is no accounting for "taste". I don't care for the cabinet design of either of them. I like the "golden age-Fuller designed" Wurlie cabinets up to but not including the 1100. I don't think I have seen more then a dozen of 2000/2100's in my life--more 2100's, then 2000's, by far --- And as far as "burg's" go--it seems that the V-VL cabinets are most desired here(California USA). However, once again, they are not my favorites. I guess I prefer the "R" above all others, but I do like the "K" also--later (non-visable mech) cabinets I like are the USC-2, SPS-2, STD-2/4's. AMi's--LOVE the Conti II--the Conti 1 is OK too--Like the "H-I" series also-- Rocks--The question is did Seeburg copy Rockola's design of the 1455, or did Rockola copy Seeburgs model "R" design--I like most of the "copies", of both brands. ( I once was introduced to Mr. David Rockola, and was able to speak with him for a few minutes--and I asked that "copy" question. His answer was that he and "JP" were "good friends" and "shared" many "design ideas") (His tone of voice left me wondering if he wanted say "stole" rather then "shared"). Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/17/09, pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk wrote: From: pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 8:48 AM Im in the UK and reckon I've worked on more 2000/2100s than Wurlitzer actually made ;-) literally!! In the UK they are the two most wanted and expensive 45rpm jukeboxes. Nigel. > I'll second that. Best of luck trying to find a 2000 or 2100 in this > country. I can't tell you how many of them I saw loaded in containers in > the > Pheasant Run parking lot waiting to be loaded onto a ship bound for > Europe. > Unless some "little old lady" has one tucked away in a barn someplace > after > her diner went bust in 1958, you've got your work cut out for you unless > you've got very deep pockets. A shame really, but I'm not going to get > started on this topic. It's come up before and has been a very sore > subject > with me. > Aaron > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > >> sounds like around $8000 to $10,000 thanks to our friends across the >> pond! >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Karl Sherwin >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:01 am >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 >> >> >> Hi, >> I know this is a long shot, but thought I'd give it a try. I'm looking >> for >> a >> urlitzer 2000 or 2100, with a preference for the 2100. I'd prefer a >> complete >> nit but will consider all options. I'm able to do the restoration and >> repair, >> o operating condition is not important. This is for my own use, not to >> fix >> and >> e-sell. >> I have a 1900 that I've had for 30+ years and always wanted the 2000 or >> 2100 as >> ell. Now that I've gotten back into the jukebox stuff, that interest has >> ekindled. >> Thanks, >> Karl >> >> ______________________________________________ >> ukebox-list mailing list >> ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> = >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Thu Dec 17 11:53:53 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Thu Dec 17 11:55:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 In-Reply-To: <428402.42667.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <3f5bde4379e37e33d4a96f905d013203.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <428402.42667.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901ca7f52$a960a710$fc21f530$@force9.co.uk> Ron, When I first got into jukeboxes, there were no 2000's/2100's over here. They only really came over in the collection boom of the late 80's/90's, when the dealers were importing them by the container load. In the early days, before the mass importing from the USA, there wasn't a huge amount of choice in old machines. The German Wurlitzer Lyric was probably the most common and collectible machine, as there wasn't much else with a true visible mechanism about. There wasn't a real market for collectors, and certainly no qudos in what you owned. I remember a mate had an Americana and I was so jealous because it was infinitely better in build and sound then most of the German stuff. I think a lot of the 60s stuff was quite bland. The coloured glasses of the 70's made for some prettier machines, and I agree, the 70's Seeburgs are beautiful machines. Again - not as many over here as there was NSM and Rowes (in my area anyway), but they were about. If I had the room I would buy a few more of them. Quite fancy an Usc Bandshell Firestar but hardly ever see one with good glasses in. Nige -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 17 December 2009 17:50 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 Nige, and All, I guess there is no accounting for "taste". I don't care for the cabinet design of either of them. I like the "golden age-Fuller designed" Wurlie cabinets up to but not including the 1100. I don't think I have seen more then a dozen of 2000/2100's in my life--more 2100's, then 2000's, by far --- And as far as "burg's" go--it seems that the V-VL cabinets are most desired here(California USA). However, once again, they are not my favorites. I guess I prefer the "R" above all others, but I do like the "K" also--later (non-visable mech) cabinets I like are the USC-2, SPS-2, STD-2/4's. AMi's--LOVE the Conti II--the Conti 1 is OK too--Like the "H-I" series also-- Rocks--The question is did Seeburg copy Rockola's design of the 1455, or did Rockola copy Seeburgs model "R" design--I like most of the "copies", of both brands. ( I once was introduced to Mr. David Rockola, and was able to speak with him for a few minutes--and I asked that "copy" question. His answer was that he and "JP" were "good friends" and "shared" many "design ideas") (His tone of voice left me wondering if he wanted say "stole" rather then "shared"). Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/17/09, pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk wrote: From: pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 8:48 AM Im in the UK and reckon I've worked on more 2000/2100s than Wurlitzer actually made ;-) literally!! In the UK they are the two most wanted and expensive 45rpm jukeboxes. Nigel. > I'll second that. Best of luck trying to find a 2000 or 2100 in this > country. I can't tell you how many of them I saw loaded in containers in > the > Pheasant Run parking lot waiting to be loaded onto a ship bound for > Europe. > Unless some "little old lady" has one tucked away in a barn someplace > after > her diner went bust in 1958, you've got your work cut out for you unless > you've got very deep pockets. A shame really, but I'm not going to get > started on this topic. It's come up before and has been a very sore > subject > with me. > Aaron > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > >> sounds like around $8000 to $10,000 thanks to our friends across the >> pond! >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Karl Sherwin >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:01 am >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 >> >> >> Hi, >> I know this is a long shot, but thought I'd give it a try. I'm looking >> for >> a >> urlitzer 2000 or 2100, with a preference for the 2100. I'd prefer a >> complete >> nit but will consider all options. I'm able to do the restoration and >> repair, >> o operating condition is not important. This is for my own use, not to >> fix >> and >> e-sell. >> I have a 1900 that I've had for 30+ years and always wanted the 2000 or >> 2100 as >> ell. Now that I've gotten back into the jukebox stuff, that interest has >> ekindled. >> Thanks, >> Karl >> >> ______________________________________________ >> ukebox-list mailing list >> ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> = >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > > -- > Aaron Heverin > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From bmet09 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 17 12:21:28 2009 From: bmet09 at yahoo.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Thu Dec 17 12:28:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems Message-ID: <882824.79081.qm@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> James Alexander wrote: Hello Ron: > > >I'm soory I'm not sure where you would find Caig Labs De Oxit in >Cyprus. The product is normally sold through wholesale electronics >parts distributors. Companies I'm aware of that have a large on line >presence are Newark, Allied and Mouser Electronics if that helps. I >have heard of the Cramoline line of products, and I'm told that it is >similar to De Oxit as a contact cleaner. >The switch segments and wiper arms on your RockOla 435 juke's >pinbank having intermittent connections are a prime suspect when you >are having the problems that you are reporting. >If you can't get a good-quality contact cleaner, cleaning the >contacts by hand with a good -quality (pencil) eraser sometimes helps. >Unless they are visibly damaged and need attention, I suggest leaving >the wiper contacts alone. > > >The selector pins in the pinbank should flip up and down freely. >The write in, read out, and pin-cancel solenoids should be free to move >as well. You mentioned there's a build up of cigarette tar, grime etc >in you r juke from it's previous environment. These elements become >tacky and make mechanical systems sticky. These parts need to be clean >for normal operation-do not oil them. >Your juke should normally be cleaned and oiled every few years >for dependable operation. Your RockOla 435 service manual should give >you those details. > > >This is where I must step in! In my earlier days, when I was working on test equipment, with many edge board connections, I was taught to use (ONLY) a Pearl Eraser. It did not "gum" or be too abrasive. Other type of erasers and pencil eraser tips were not to be used. I have followed this through the years without problems. If I tried to use another type, I would have to find my Pearl Eraser and redo the job. I still have a bottle of Cramoline I used to coat the edge boards after I cleaned them. Thanks for this great group and Merry Christmas! BTW, is there a "Record Anonymous" to contact? I'm buying too many 45 vinyls for my two jukeboxes.... from USA, Canada, UK & Germany! That's fun! And, yes, no kids allowed (unsupervised). Dick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) skips sending messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 17 12:51:52 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 17 12:55:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 Message-ID: <20091217.155152.17665.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Nigel: Weren't there a few English-built makes of jukeboxes in the 50's that were not exported to the US? The names that come to mind are Chantal Meteor and Bergman. Didn't most Wurlitzer machines in England get exported from Wurlitzer of Germany rather than the US? It is my understanding that Wurlitzer of Germany was designing and building their own jukebox models for the European-English market rather than making the US models. 50's era jukeboxes from the US (Wurlitzer, Seeburg, RockOla, in that order) also seem to be in demand in the Netherlands. 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Edward Graves From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 17 12:58:02 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 17 13:01:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems Message-ID: <20091217.155802.17665.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> The Pink Pearl and Artgum brands were high-quality erasers used by draftsmen and artists back in the day. Are those erasers still being sold? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=CzzE3K2UVlW8vOkRDs5cRAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Dec 17 12:58:08 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Dec 17 13:05:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting In-Reply-To: <33552DC4-AD8C-49A5-8A8D-F652E986BD08@roadrunner.com> References: <33552DC4-AD8C-49A5-8A8D-F652E986BD08@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: You're getting through now!!!! -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of edward graves Sent: 2009, December, 17 3:57 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting I wonder why my submissions do not get posted ? Is this a common problem ? Is posting restricted to some people ? Edward Graves _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. L?exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s?y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu?il contient par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m?en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 17 13:11:55 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 17 13:13:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting In-Reply-To: <33552DC4-AD8C-49A5-8A8D-F652E986BD08@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <938945.58022.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> This was "posted"---SOMETIMES they are late--sometimes that's your fault, if you use a non "signed in" address to mail from-- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/17/09, edward graves wrote: From: edward graves Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 12:57 PM I wonder why my submissions do not get posted ? Is this a common problem ? Is posting restricted to some people ? Edward Graves _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Thu Dec 17 13:49:38 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Thu Dec 17 13:51:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 In-Reply-To: <20091217.155152.17665.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091217.155152.17665.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001801ca7f62$d4cc6cd0$7e654670$@force9.co.uk> James, Yes, there was the Chantal Meteor 200. This is a highly collectable machine. Most unusual design of all machines, and peculiar mechanism. Operators nightmare but now very collectable. All 240v electrics. Another popular English make was Bal-Ami. These were pretty much the Ami range of the time, but many parts made/assembled in England by BALfour Marine Engineering. The Ami F,G,I,K etc.. had BAL Ami equivalents. Different amplifiers than the US counterparts. Also the BAL Ami Junior - a 20 record machine like a tiny Ami F. Absolutely fantastic sound. German Wurlitzers plentiful from 60's through to 80's. American ones over here too though. I remember the late Americanas were plentiful. Some nice 1970's German Wurlitzers were around. The Dutch are passionate about jukeboxes. Since the 80s I have only missed a handful of the Rock Around The Jukebox show in Holland. They are really enthusiastic. They love all makes. Ditchburn was another English make. They then distributed the Lyrics - the ones with the 'Music Maker' badge on were distributed by Ditchburn. Also - we had the French Jupiters which were plentiful in the smaller caf? type locations. Cheap and cheerful machines, and a lot around, although not many have really stood the test of time well. They have a Seeburg/NSM style mechanism. Basic sound system but in my opinion sounded better than the Wurlitzer Lyric. They are not really held in high esteem though, I have to say. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 17 December 2009 20:52 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 Nigel: Weren't there a few English-built makes of jukeboxes in the 50's that were not exported to the US? The names that come to mind are Chantal Meteor and Bergman. Didn't most Wurlitzer machines in England get exported from Wurlitzer of Germany rather than the US? It is my understanding that Wurlitzer of Germany was designing and building their own jukebox models for the European-English market rather than making the US models. 50's era jukeboxes from the US (Wurlitzer, Seeburg, RockOla, in that order) also seem to be in demand in the Netherlands. James Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=hQumcrKzprunzBsK2kyiOAAAJ1E xQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 17 15:52:06 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 17 15:55:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 Message-ID: <20091217.185206.27268.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Nigel: Thanks for your detailed answer. I'm old enough to remember that the US once had "fair trade" commerce laws that most nations agreed to. When some US jukebox manufacturers, chose to export their product lines overseas, the law dictated that they needed to be shipped in a dis assembled mode and that a certain amount of the machine's content had to be locally manufactured. I'm quite sure that's the case with Bal-AMI jukes. Weren't these built using English-made Leak amplifiers and Wharfedale brand speakers? Those high-quality early English hi-fi components were exported to the US on a limited basis. Over in Germany, AMI jukes were assembled by the Jensen company. Some Jensen-AMI models are different than their US counterparts. In Germany,using the same concept, I believe that NSM was at one time the local assembler of early 50's Seeburg jukes. The story here is that NSM ripped off the Select O Matic and tormat design formats and began building their own lower-cost adaptation of it. The NSM vinyl juke line seems to have a stronger presence in England than it does here. I've heard of the Ditchburn-brand jukeboxes, but I don't think these were exported to the US. Another English juke model I saw in a photo was called a "Goliath Discophone". This large-cabinet box was impressive looking and contained a 45 RPM phono and an AM-FM radio. From it's styling this had to be a 50's era unit. There are several videos posted on YouTube filmed at the Dutch "Jukebox Madness" show. It looks like that's a big event. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. 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Britt ________________________________ From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 12:58:08 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] non-posting You're getting through now!!!! -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of edward graves Sent: 2009, December, 17 3:57 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting I wonder why my submissions do not get posted ? Is this a common problem ? Is posting restricted to some people ? Edward Graves _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 17 16:29:17 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Thu Dec 17 16:30:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection References: <20091216200004.5AF88AB0E8@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <85D19FB8367B4F7EB7D183BC45684937@dirksen> If the write-in arm stops in the correct place, I'm going to assume the stop relay is working and you see a brief flash of light from the current limiting bulb inside the power distribution panel. At this point, one set of contacts on the stop relay sends current to the re-set coil (inside the accumulator assembly). Write-in occurs when the reset coil contacts close. If write-in is not happening, check both of these contacts and also check the write-in solenoid coils themselves. The circuit does go from the re-set coil contacts through the series keyboard switches before reaching the write-in coils, so dirty keyboard switches can be the culprit. A tired power supply will result in weak pulses, so as someone advised earlier, I would also replace the selenium rectifier. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Davis" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:29 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection > > > Hi Ron, > (Yea, Ron's OK. Don't like Ronald much, makes me feel I've done something > wrong) > If move a selection lever on the write in side everything happens as > normal. > If while this happening I make a new selection with the buttons, selection > arm rotates, stops where (I think) it should but the hammers don't work. > I just have a gut feeling that the problem lies either in the Transformer > / > rectifier area with one on the relays / fuses there, or wiring to or from. > I > have circuit tested (and cleaned mechanically and chemically) in that area > but to no avail. Any suggestion would be appreciated. I'm off for a few > days > touring Turkey, so further investigation will have to wait till after > Christmas. > So: Seasons greetings to all. > > Ron Davis > > > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:06:28 -0800 (PST) > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection > Problems > To: Jukebox mailing list > Message-ID: <90277.20649.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Ron, > (Great name, by the way ! ) What happens if you move a lever to the > selected state, THEN try to make a selection prior to the carriage pushing > the original pin to the non-selected side ? Does it "hammer" the SECOND > pin > (into the selected state) ? Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Ron Davis wrote: > > From: Ron Davis > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 4:56 AM > > Hi, > > I need help, (my doctor mentioned something similar years ago) but first I > must say as a relative newbie to this group, I get great pleasure in > reading > responses from experts who obviously have a love for what they do and know > what they are talking about. That's not all that common these days. > > I have owned this Rock-Ola for more than 25 years and it has given me > great > pleasure. (A few headaches along the way also) But I am now stuck. I even > had a look at the manual! If I press a selection the record rack will > jerk > but not much else. Do this two or three times and the rack will rotate > one > complete turn and stop with a jerky movement. The hammers on the wobble > plate do not register anything. If I select a lever on the wobble plate, > everything takes over as normal. I have attempted to clean all relays and > connections. I guess I've missed one or two. Any help would be gratefully > appreciated. > > > > Ron Davis > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2569 - Release Date: 12/16/09 14:52:00 From russodue at earthlink.net Thu Dec 17 16:33:01 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (tony russo) Date: Thu Dec 17 16:41:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting In-Reply-To: <353420.47089.qm@web114016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <33552DC4-AD8C-49A5-8A8D-F652E986BD08@roadrunner.com>, , <353420.47089.qm@web114016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, a VERY common problem. > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:57:16 -0800 > From: wbabbott@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] non-posting > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Yes, it is a common problem! I could not get my posts through from my Verizon.net webmail. I could receive all the posts, just couldn't make any reply posts or new posts. I've had other issues with Verizon.net mail and don't like it so I've switched over to Yahoo webmail! > Britt > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "Dicecco, Michael" > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 12:58:08 PM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] non-posting > > You're getting through now!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of edward > graves > Sent: 2009, December, 17 3:57 PM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting > > I wonder why my submissions do not get posted ? Is this a common problem > ? Is posting restricted to some people ? Edward Graves > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive > any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information > it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. > Lexp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui sy rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements quil contient > par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez men aviser imm?diatement, > par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 17 18:28:12 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 17 18:31:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Message-ID: <20091217.212812.21588.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: RE: Ron Davis RO435 diagnosis,over several emails: What I picked up from Ron Davis' description is that the write in motor keeps hunting, and doesn't pick up a selection, and that the machine was once in a location that left lots of cigarette tar and dirt on the mech. (this tells me the PC board and wiper arms probably need cleaning) With his finger, he can manually flip a selector pin, the mech responds, sometimes with the basket motor jerking in operation The correct selection plays & gets cancelled. (I asked him to try the scan switch & see if it jerks---didn't get a response) If the mech spins smoothly in scan mode, there's probably a wobbleplate-start/override switch issue. In a later email he said the pinbank area of the mech has been cleaned up somewhat. (write in motor problem is being caused by something else?--not enough info to tell) we discussed his being in Cyprus, and the availability of De Oxit cleaner there. In lieu of contact cleaner, I suggested cleaning the contact segments using an eraser. If the record basket motor still jerks in the scan mode,(not known) maybe a weak rectifier bridge is causing a power loss. (he never mentioned if the gripper motor worked OK) If the rect. bridge is 40+ years old, it can't hurt to change it. If the rectifier is so weak that the motors stagger under load, the motor coils may get smoked for running them on low power. The other problems will need to get looked at later when he returns. Do you concur? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=D4MVK5C-rLrzYbn2oPEbugAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 18 00:56:07 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Fri Dec 18 00:57:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 In-Reply-To: <20091217.185206.27268.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <525836.97670.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Jim , just to correct you on a few of points, The Goliath jukebox/radio was in fact of Belgium manufacture, the Jensen company was Danish, and the "Jukebox Madness" show is held in England. The big Dutch show I think you are referring to is "Rock around the Jukebox" and held in Rossmalen twice a year. One indoors and one outdoors, same venue. Regards Gary --- On Thu, 17/12/09, James Alexander wrote: > From: James Alexander > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, 17 December, 2009, 23:52 > > > Nigel: > > Thanks for your detailed answer.???I'm old > enough to remember that the US once had "fair trade" > commerce laws that most nations agreed to.? When some > US jukebox manufacturers, chose to export their product > lines overseas, the law dictated that they needed to be > shipped in a dis assembled mode and that a certain amount of > the machine's content had to be locally manufactured. > I'm quite sure that's the case with Bal-AMI jukes.? > Weren't these built using English-made Leak amplifiers and > Wharfedale brand speakers?? ? Those high-quality > early English hi-fi components were exported to the US on a > limited basis. > > Over in Germany, AMI jukes were assembled by the Jensen > company.? Some Jensen-AMI models are different than > their US counterparts. > > In Germany,using the same concept, I believe that NSM was > at one time the local assembler of early 50's Seeburg jukes. > The story here is that NSM ripped off the Select O Matic and > tormat design formats and began building their own > lower-cost adaptation of it.? > The NSM vinyl juke line seems to have a stronger presence > in England than it does here. > > I've heard of the Ditchburn-brand jukeboxes, but I don't > think these were exported to the US.? Another English > juke model? I saw in a photo was called a "Goliath > Discophone".? This large-cabinet box was impressive > looking and contained a 45 RPM phono and an AM-FM radio. > From it's styling this had to be a 50's era unit. > > There are several videos posted on YouTube filmed at the > Dutch "Jukebox Madness" show.???It looks like > that's a big event. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Senior Assisted Living > Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior > assisted living. Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=qIn519Sm2-5UgsPitfvdCgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From stamann at jukebox-world.de Fri Dec 18 04:00:19 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Fri Dec 18 04:11:47 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 Message-ID: Hello, In general in Europe a lot of jukeboxes had been produced by a great amount of different companies, larger and smaller ones. In Germany importers like NOVA (Rock-Ola), Loewen-Automaten (Seeburg) and Husemann (Wurlitzer) imported but also assembled some models by using German materials. So sometimes two versions of the same model are available - eg. Rock-Ola 1458: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Rock-Ola/R.O.1458.htm Assembling jukeboxes over here in Germany I think was only made for a short period in the Fifties. But I am not sure if this was due to import reasons - like Jim states - or to save some money when bying cheaper and using own materials. >From what I know BAL-AMI used Beamecho amps - but I'm sure Nigel knows better than me. This is the BAL-AMI range: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/BAL-AMI/BAL-AMI-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm Jensen is a Danish company and they produced their own jukeboxes under license of AMI. They used the mechanism - but not the complete one. On some models e.g. the idler wheel is different than in AMIs. Model G by Jensen looks like AMI G but the others have different cabinet, too: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Jensen/Jensen-Uebersicht.htm Ditchburn, the British manufacturer, bought the Hawtins jukebox and coninued to produce the "Music Maker" After that they made a contract with German Tonomat and imported Tonomats to UK. In the 60's they imported Wurlitzers - both German and US. Ditchburn: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/England/Ditchburn-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm Tonmat: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Tonomat/Tonomat-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm AMI was imported by Rehbock. But in 1960 - AMI belonged to Canteen already - Canteen bought the German Tonomat company. So some AMI Contis and Lyrics are found which are assembled over here, too. They have their own ID plate saying so. But AMI must have sold a lot of licences as there are many companies who produced AMIs under license: Eden (France), Microtechnica (Italy), Tonomat (Germany), BAL-AMI (England), Jensen (Denmark), Nat. Instruments Pty. (Australia) and somebody in Panama I think. The German Wurlitzer company was founded as a subsidiary in 1960. The reason was to produce less expensive jukeboxes over here and in 1961 the first Lyric was introduced. It was a manual selection model but an electrical version followed soon. The German Wurlitzer produces until today like everybody knows the One More Time and some other CD jukeboxes. http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Dt.%20Wurlitzer/Dt.-Wurlitzer-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm The "Discophone" (1944-50) you mention, Jim, is a Belgium model - made by the company Discophone. There was a "Goliath" (1948-56), too - made by the same company. If anybody is interested o see the wide range jukeboxes at all you're welcome to visit our Archive at http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Archiv.html. European models and companies can be found here: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Europa/Diverse-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von James Alexander Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Dezember 2009 07:36 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 Nigel: Thanks for your detailed answer. I'm old enough to remember that the US once had "fair trade" commerce laws that most nations agreed to. When some US jukebox manufacturers, chose to export their product lines overseas, the law dictated that they needed to be shipped in a dis assembled mode and that a certain amount of the machine's content had to be locally manufactured. I'm quite sure that's the case with Bal-AMI jukes. Weren't these built using English-made Leak amplifiers and Wharfedale brand speakers? Those high-quality early English hi-fi components were exported to the US on a limited basis. Over in Germany, AMI jukes were assembled by the Jensen company. Some Jensen-AMI models are different than their US counterparts. In Germany,using the same concept, I believe that NSM was at one time the local assembler of early 50's Seeburg jukes. The story here is that NSM ripped off the Select O Matic and tormat design formats and began building their own lower-cost adaptation of it. The NSM vinyl juke line seems to have a stronger presence in England than it does here. I've heard of the Ditchburn-brand jukeboxes, but I don't think these were exported to the US. Another English juke model I saw in a photo was called a "Goliath Discophone". This large-cabinet box was impressive looking and contained a 45 RPM phono and an AM-FM radio. From it's styling this had to be a 50's era unit. There are several videos posted on YouTube filmed at the Dutch "Jukebox Madness" show. It looks like that's a big event. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. 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Nigel > Hello, > > In general in Europe a lot of jukeboxes had been produced by a great > amount of different companies, larger and smaller ones. > In Germany importers like NOVA (Rock-Ola), Loewen-Automaten (Seeburg) and > Husemann (Wurlitzer) imported but also assembled some models by using > German materials. So sometimes two versions of the same model are > available - eg. Rock-Ola 1458: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Rock-Ola/R.O.1458.htm > Assembling jukeboxes over here in Germany I think was only made for a > short period in the Fifties. But I am not sure if this was due to import > reasons - like Jim states - or to save some money when bying cheaper and > using own materials. > >>From what I know BAL-AMI used Beamecho amps - but I'm sure Nigel knows >> better than me. This is the BAL-AMI range: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/BAL-AMI/BAL-AMI-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm > > Jensen is a Danish company and they produced their own jukeboxes under > license of AMI. They used the mechanism - but not the complete one. On > some models e.g. the idler wheel is different than in AMIs. Model G by > Jensen looks like AMI G but the others have different cabinet, too: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Jensen/Jensen-Uebersicht.htm > > Ditchburn, the British manufacturer, bought the Hawtins jukebox and > coninued to produce the "Music Maker" After that they made a contract with > German Tonomat and imported Tonomats to UK. In the 60's they imported > Wurlitzers - both German and US. > Ditchburn: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/England/Ditchburn-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm > Tonmat: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Tonomat/Tonomat-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm > > AMI was imported by Rehbock. But in 1960 - AMI belonged to Canteen already > - Canteen bought the German Tonomat company. So some AMI Contis and Lyrics > are found which are assembled over here, too. They have their own ID plate > saying so. > But AMI must have sold a lot of licences as there are many companies who > produced AMIs under license: Eden (France), Microtechnica (Italy), Tonomat > (Germany), BAL-AMI (England), Jensen (Denmark), Nat. Instruments Pty. > (Australia) and somebody in Panama I think. > > The German Wurlitzer company was founded as a subsidiary in 1960. The > reason was to produce less expensive jukeboxes over here and in 1961 the > first Lyric was introduced. It was a manual selection model but an > electrical version followed soon. The German Wurlitzer produces until > today like everybody knows the One More Time and some other CD jukeboxes. > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Dt.%20Wurlitzer/Dt.-Wurlitzer-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm > > The "Discophone" (1944-50) you mention, Jim, is a Belgium model - made by > the company Discophone. There was a "Goliath" (1948-56), too - made by the > same company. > > If anybody is interested o see the wide range jukeboxes at all you're > welcome to visit our Archive at > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Archiv.html. > > European models and companies can be found here: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Europa/Diverse-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm > > > Kind regards - Hildegard > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von James > Alexander > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Dezember 2009 07:36 > An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Betreff: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 > > > > Nigel: > > Thanks for your detailed answer. I'm old enough to remember that the US > once had "fair trade" commerce laws that most nations agreed to. When > some US jukebox manufacturers, chose to export their product lines > overseas, the law dictated that they needed to be shipped in a dis > assembled mode and that a certain amount of the machine's content had to > be locally manufactured. > I'm quite sure that's the case with Bal-AMI jukes. Weren't these built > using English-made Leak amplifiers and Wharfedale brand speakers? Those > high-quality early English hi-fi components were exported to the US on a > limited basis. > > Over in Germany, AMI jukes were assembled by the Jensen company. Some > Jensen-AMI models are different than their US counterparts. > > In Germany,using the same concept, I believe that NSM was at one time the > local assembler of early 50's Seeburg jukes. The story here is that NSM > ripped off the Select O Matic and tormat design formats and began building > their own lower-cost adaptation of it. > The NSM vinyl juke line seems to have a stronger presence in England than > it does here. > > I've heard of the Ditchburn-brand jukeboxes, but I don't think these were > exported to the US. Another English juke model I saw in a photo was > called a "Goliath Discophone". This large-cabinet box was impressive > looking and contained a 45 RPM phono and an AM-FM radio. From it's styling > this had to be a 50's era unit. > > There are several videos posted on YouTube filmed at the Dutch "Jukebox > Madness" show. It looks like that's a big event. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Senior Assisted Living > Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. > Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=qIn519Sm2-5UgsPitfvdCgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From stamann at jukebox-world.de Fri Dec 18 04:52:09 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Fri Dec 18 04:56:35 2009 Subject: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 Message-ID: Sound Leisure used the German Harting mechanism - they bought all their tools and parts when they started. B.t.w. - this mechanism can be found in ACE jukeboxes, too - Mayfair, Flirt and Aquarius. The Mayfair is the model which was exported to US and named Cameron. Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Dezember 2009 13:46 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 I forgot to add Sound Leisure, another englisg company, made vinyl machines in the 70s and 80s. They used the Hawtins type mechanism. They still make CD jukes today. Nigel > Hello, > > In general in Europe a lot of jukeboxes had been produced by a great > amount of different companies, larger and smaller ones. > In Germany importers like NOVA (Rock-Ola), Loewen-Automaten (Seeburg) and > Husemann (Wurlitzer) imported but also assembled some models by using > German materials. So sometimes two versions of the same model are > available - eg. Rock-Ola 1458: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Rock-Ola/R.O.1458.htm > Assembling jukeboxes over here in Germany I think was only made for a > short period in the Fifties. But I am not sure if this was due to import > reasons - like Jim states - or to save some money when bying cheaper and > using own materials. > >>From what I know BAL-AMI used Beamecho amps - but I'm sure Nigel knows >> better than me. This is the BAL-AMI range: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/BAL-AMI/BAL-AMI-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm > > Jensen is a Danish company and they produced their own jukeboxes under > license of AMI. They used the mechanism - but not the complete one. On > some models e.g. the idler wheel is different than in AMIs. Model G by > Jensen looks like AMI G but the others have different cabinet, too: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Jensen/Jensen-Uebersicht.htm > > Ditchburn, the British manufacturer, bought the Hawtins jukebox and > coninued to produce the "Music Maker" After that they made a contract with > German Tonomat and imported Tonomats to UK. In the 60's they imported > Wurlitzers - both German and US. > Ditchburn: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/England/Ditchburn-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm > Tonmat: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Tonomat/Tonomat-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm > > AMI was imported by Rehbock. But in 1960 - AMI belonged to Canteen already > - Canteen bought the German Tonomat company. So some AMI Contis and Lyrics > are found which are assembled over here, too. They have their own ID plate > saying so. > But AMI must have sold a lot of licences as there are many companies who > produced AMIs under license: Eden (France), Microtechnica (Italy), Tonomat > (Germany), BAL-AMI (England), Jensen (Denmark), Nat. Instruments Pty. > (Australia) and somebody in Panama I think. > > The German Wurlitzer company was founded as a subsidiary in 1960. The > reason was to produce less expensive jukeboxes over here and in 1961 the > first Lyric was introduced. It was a manual selection model but an > electrical version followed soon. The German Wurlitzer produces until > today like everybody knows the One More Time and some other CD jukeboxes. > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Dt.%20Wurlitzer/Dt.-Wurlitzer-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm > > The "Discophone" (1944-50) you mention, Jim, is a Belgium model - made by > the company Discophone. There was a "Goliath" (1948-56), too - made by the > same company. > > If anybody is interested o see the wide range jukeboxes at all you're > welcome to visit our Archive at > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Archiv.html. > > European models and companies can be found here: > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Europa/Diverse-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm > > > Kind regards - Hildegard > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von James > Alexander > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Dezember 2009 07:36 > An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Betreff: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 > > > > Nigel: > > Thanks for your detailed answer. I'm old enough to remember that the US > once had "fair trade" commerce laws that most nations agreed to. When > some US jukebox manufacturers, chose to export their product lines > overseas, the law dictated that they needed to be shipped in a dis > assembled mode and that a certain amount of the machine's content had to > be locally manufactured. > I'm quite sure that's the case with Bal-AMI jukes. Weren't these built > using English-made Leak amplifiers and Wharfedale brand speakers? Those > high-quality early English hi-fi components were exported to the US on a > limited basis. > > Over in Germany, AMI jukes were assembled by the Jensen company. Some > Jensen-AMI models are different than their US counterparts. > > In Germany,using the same concept, I believe that NSM was at one time the > local assembler of early 50's Seeburg jukes. The story here is that NSM > ripped off the Select O Matic and tormat design formats and began building > their own lower-cost adaptation of it. > The NSM vinyl juke line seems to have a stronger presence in England than > it does here. > > I've heard of the Ditchburn-brand jukeboxes, but I don't think these were > exported to the US. Another English juke model I saw in a photo was > called a "Goliath Discophone". This large-cabinet box was impressive > looking and contained a 45 RPM phono and an AM-FM radio. From it's styling > this had to be a 50's era unit. > > There are several videos posted on YouTube filmed at the Dutch "Jukebox > Madness" show. It looks like that's a big event. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Senior Assisted Living > Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. > Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=qIn519Sm2-5UgsPitfvdCgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 18 05:57:53 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 18 06:01:20 2009 Subject: AW: AW: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2000 2100 Message-ID: <20091218.085753.27081.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Good morning, Mrs Stamann, Nigel and everyone else. Thank You for posting all of these facts regarding the manufacture of classic jukeboxes in Germany, the UK and elsewhere. I guess that having a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Most of the photos and info that I picked up about European jukes came from older books and nondescript business journals that were published in the US. I've casually surfed a few of the English, Dutch and German jukebox websites, but never took time to research this in great detail. Thanks again for the new info. and wishing everyone a Happy Holiday season. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Water Heater Some like it hot. Click now for a reliable new water heater! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=n_tmgc51tsQskbFiYbuc4QAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIAAAAAA= From pinplayers at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 06:38:16 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Fri Dec 18 06:40:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reccomended Cleaner for Stylus Message-ID: <8cf1842e0912180638n526af66atbee79499cda314ba@mail.gmail.com> I was cleaning my 45's last night and it occurred to me that perhaps cleaning the stylus would a good idea. I googled and found several offerings. I would be interested in hearing from the experienced members of this group your opinion's of what to use to clean them or if it is even necessary. Regards Don From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Fri Dec 18 07:03:23 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Fri Dec 18 07:05:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reccomended Cleaner for Stylus In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e0912180638n526af66atbee79499cda314ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cf1842e0912180638n526af66atbee79499cda314ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Use Isopropyl alcohol. Evapourates quickly and leaves no residue. You can use it on your 45's too. Its the best cleaner you can use. Doesnt need to be done regularly if you have a stylus brush in your machine that is operational, but worth a quick go when you've got the lid open and swapping records. Hope that helps, Nigel, UK > I was cleaning my 45's last night and it occurred to me that perhaps > cleaning the stylus would a good idea. I googled and found several > offerings. I would be interested in hearing from the experienced members > of > this group your opinion's of what to use to clean them or if it is even > necessary. > > Regards Don > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 18 07:02:33 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 18 07:05:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reccomended Cleaner for Stylus Message-ID: <20091218.100233.21859.1@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Don: Yes, having a clean stylus tip can make big difference in performance. To clean phono stylii, I've just carefully used a Q-Tip soaked in rubbing alcohol. Take care not to let fluids drip into the body of your phono cartridge. For jukebox use, along the same lines, every so often the bristles of needle brushes need to becleaned. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-ix-si1iPhI2Aod5SmZ2BQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From pinplayers at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 07:46:31 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Fri Dec 18 07:48:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reccomended Cleaner for Stylus In-Reply-To: <20091218.100233.21859.1@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091218.100233.21859.1@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8cf1842e0912180746nfccd22btb3e1124fce3d6ef5@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the helpful information. I just happen to have both supplies on hand I'll give it a go tonight. Regards Don On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:02 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Don: > > Yes, having a clean stylus tip can make big difference in performance. > > To clean phono stylii, I've just carefully used a Q-Tip soaked in rubbing > alcohol. Take care not to let fluids drip into the body of your phono > cartridge. > > For jukebox use, along the same lines, every so often the bristles of > needle brushes need to becleaned. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Weight Loss Program > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-ix-si1iPhI2Aod5SmZ2BQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 18 08:24:06 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 18 08:25:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection In-Reply-To: <85D19FB8367B4F7EB7D183BC45684937@dirksen> Message-ID: <854400.91298.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Ii my thinking "off---I am thinking that the keyboard function is only to stop the WI hammer at the correct position ?? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/17/09, The Dirksen Family wrote: From: The Dirksen Family Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 4:29 PM If the write-in arm stops in the correct place, I'm going to assume the stop relay is working and you see a brief flash of light from the current limiting bulb inside the power distribution panel. At this point, one set of contacts on the stop relay sends current to the re-set coil (inside the accumulator assembly). Write-in occurs when the reset coil contacts close. If write-in is not happening, check both of these contacts and also check the write-in solenoid coils themselves. The circuit does go from the re-set coil contacts through the series keyboard switches before reaching the write-in coils, so dirty keyboard switches can be the culprit. A tired power supply will result in weak pulses, so as someone advised earlier, I would also replace the selenium rectifier. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Davis" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:29 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection > > > Hi Ron, > (Yea, Ron's OK. Don't like Ronald much, makes me feel I've done something > wrong) > If move a selection lever on the write in side everything happens as normal. > If while this happening I make a new selection with the buttons, selection > arm rotates, stops where (I think) it should but the hammers don't work. > I just have a gut feeling that the problem lies either in the Transformer / > rectifier area with one on the relays / fuses there, or wiring to or from. I > have circuit tested (and cleaned mechanically and chemically) in that area > but to no avail. Any suggestion would be appreciated. I'm off for a few days > touring Turkey, so further investigation will have to wait till after > Christmas. > So: Seasons greetings to all. > > Ron Davis > > > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:06:28 -0800 (PST) > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection > Problems > To: Jukebox mailing list > Message-ID: <90277.20649.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Ron, > (Great name, by the way ! )? What happens if you move a lever to the > selected state, THEN try to make a selection prior to the carriage pushing > the original pin to the non-selected side ? Does it "hammer" the SECOND pin > (into the selected state) ? Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Ron Davis wrote: > > From: Ron Davis > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 4:56 AM > > Hi, > > I need help, (my doctor mentioned something similar years ago) but first I > must say as a relative newbie to this group, I get great pleasure in reading > responses from experts who obviously have a love for what they do and know > what they are talking about.? That's not all that common these days. > > I have owned this Rock-Ola for more than 25 years and it has given me great > pleasure. (A few headaches along the way also)? But I am now stuck. I even > had a look at the manual!? If I press a selection the record rack will jerk > but not much else.? Do this two or three times and the rack will rotate one > complete turn and stop with a jerky movement. The hammers on the wobble > plate do not register anything.? If I select a lever on the wobble plate, > everything takes over as normal.? I have attempted to clean all relays and > connections. I guess I've missed one or two.? Any help would be gratefully > appreciated. > > > > Ron Davis > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2569 - Release Date: 12/16/09 14:52:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 18 08:28:18 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 18 08:30:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <749243.57702.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I don't know if this is necessarily a "list" problem, or an Internet problem in general. "People" have told me that they "wrote" me--but I have never seen it--It happens from my wife's computer, once in awhile, who sits 5 feet away !? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/17/09, tony russo wrote: From: tony russo Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] non-posting To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 4:33 PM Yes, a VERY common problem. > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:57:16 -0800 > From: wbabbott@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] non-posting > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Yes, it is a common problem! I could not get my posts through from my Verizon.net webmail. I could receive all the posts, just couldn't make any reply posts or new posts. I've had other issues with Verizon.net mail and don't like it so I've switched over to Yahoo webmail!? ? > Britt > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "Dicecco, Michael" > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 12:58:08 PM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] non-posting > > You're getting through now!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of edward > graves > Sent: 2009, December, 17 3:57 PM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting > > I wonder why my submissions do not get posted ? Is this a common problem > ? Is posting restricted to some people ? 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Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information > it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. > Lexp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui sy rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements quil contient > par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez men aviser imm?diatement, > par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 18 08:43:14 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 18 08:44:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection In-Reply-To: <20091217.212812.21588.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <743139.51773.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, I could be wrong--but I thought he said that the WI carriage stopped in the correct place ( as related to the keyboard numbers pushed).? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/17/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 6:28 PM Gentlemen: RE: Ron Davis RO435 diagnosis,over several emails: What I picked up from Ron Davis' description is that the write in motor keeps hunting, and doesn't pick up a selection, and that the machine was once in a location that left lots of cigarette tar and dirt on the mech. (this tells me the PC board and wiper arms probably need cleaning) With his finger, he can manually flip a selector pin, the mech responds, sometimes with the basket motor jerking in operation???The correct selection plays & gets cancelled. (I asked him to try the scan switch & see if it jerks---didn't get a response)???If the mech spins smoothly in scan mode, there's probably a wobbleplate-start/override switch issue. In a later email he said the pinbank area of the mech has been cleaned up somewhat. (write in motor problem is being caused by something else?--not enough info to tell)? we discussed his being in Cyprus, and the availability of De Oxit cleaner there. In lieu of contact cleaner, I suggested cleaning the contact segments using an eraser. If the record basket motor still jerks in the scan mode,(not known)? maybe a weak rectifier bridge is causing a power loss.? (he never mentioned if the gripper motor worked OK)? ? If the rect. bridge is 40+ years old, it can't hurt to change it. If the rectifier is so weak that the motors stagger under load, the motor coils may get smoked for running them on low power.??? The other problems will need to get looked at later when he returns. Do you concur? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. 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From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 18 11:30:38 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Fri Dec 18 11:32:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan lower-door animation made of "UnObtainium" Message-ID: <354428.18223.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OK List, I checked with all the usual suspects and then some. The verdict: No one has lower-door animation unit for the Seeburg Trashcan! It's apparently made of UnObtainium! Although there have been sightings of the color sheet for it at VG. At least that's what I'm lead to believe. So, my question to the masses on this list is "has anyone seen one of these things (besides in the manuals) or has one on their Trashcan?". If you have one, would you be kind enough to snap a bunch of pix of it both in and out of the machine? If I had a real example of this beast then perhaps I can fashion something until the real thing comes along. In related news, VG tells me that the rippled repro 5-tier dome fits the wooden 147M lid. Guess what Santa's getting me for Christmas? Bob - Chicago From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 18 11:30:33 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 18 11:34:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola fireball 120 Message-ID: <20091218.143033.24368.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Tad: RockOla had a few 50's model jukeboxes called the fireball. They were the 1436 and 1438. These were 120 selection machines. There was another model (1442?) that had 50 selections. The 1438 and 1442 were 45 RPM models. The 1436 was offered with either 78 RPM or 45 RPM mechanism. The 78-model 1436 is somewhat rare jukebox model and is worth more as a collectible than it's 45 brethren. 45 RPM discs came out in the early 50's and began to establish themselves as the "new" single record speed in the US. In the early 50's, just about all records were issued on both 78 and 45 RPM formats. In the later 50's, as more records were sold on 45, 78 RPM production was cut back. Hit singles on 78 RPM pretty much stopped in the US by 1960. There are some exceptions Hits on 78 were available in some other countries until circa 1965. Several record companies both the US and UK have put together box sets of records of back-to-back 50's and 60's hits on repro. 78 RPM records. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=rZGE4VS0pTUEZ0tIxEX0XgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From tadperez at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 11:38:12 2009 From: tadperez at gmail.com (tad perez) Date: Fri Dec 18 12:02:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola fireball 120 In-Reply-To: <20091218.143033.24368.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091218.143033.24368.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1994498c0912181138h19c9e657r7cf3fa5a69eaae36@mail.gmail.com> I have the opportunity to but a 1436 for $500, doesn't know if it operates but lights. Could I be getting myself into something too deep? On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:30 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Tad: > > RockOla had a few 50's model jukeboxes called the fireball. They were the > 1436 and 1438. These were 120 selection machines. There was another model > (1442?) that had 50 selections. The 1438 and 1442 were 45 RPM models. > The 1436 was offered with either 78 RPM or 45 RPM mechanism. The > 78-model 1436 is somewhat rare jukebox model and is worth more as a > collectible than it's 45 brethren. > > 45 RPM discs came out in the early 50's and began to establish themselves > as the "new" single record speed in the US. In the early 50's, just about > all records were issued on both 78 and 45 RPM formats. In the later 50's, > as more records were sold on 45, 78 RPM production was cut back. Hit > singles on 78 RPM pretty much stopped in the US by 1960. > There are some exceptions Hits on 78 were available in some other > countries until circa 1965. Several record companies both the US and UK > have put together box sets of records of back-to-back 50's and 60's hits on > repro. 78 RPM records. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Nutrition > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=rZGE4VS0pTUEZ0tIxEX0XgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 18 12:06:36 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 18 12:09:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan lower-door animation made of "UnObtainium" Message-ID: <20091218.150636.14829.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> I have an ad brochure showing the "new" 1948 Seeb 148 juke for that year. That's the one that came factory-equipped with the stepped or rippled dome top. Some after market supplier is offering a set of muti colored lighting gels and a color changer that shines on the speaker grill. I don't know who that is. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=TRVV5oPrhUTcSpE0yCu7QwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From aaron at vertasource.com Fri Dec 18 12:10:33 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Fri Dec 18 12:12:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan lower-door animation made of "UnObtainium" In-Reply-To: <354428.18223.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <354428.18223.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, I've got the lower front door animation on my 148 Trashcan. Contact me off the list and we'll talk about late 20s early 30s dance music some more and I'll get some pictures to you of the animation. :-) I'll take a good look at it and I may be able to come up with something that can be fabricated. Aaron On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:30 PM, NotarySojac wrote: > OK List, I checked with all the usual suspects and then some. > > The verdict: No one has lower-door animation unit for the Seeburg Trashcan! > It's apparently made of UnObtainium! Although there have been sightings of > the color sheet for it at VG. > > At least that's what I'm lead to believe. So, my question to the masses on > this list is "has anyone seen one of these things (besides in the manuals) > or has one on their Trashcan?". > > If you have one, would you be kind enough to snap a bunch of pix of it both > in and out of the machine? If I had a real example of this beast then > perhaps I can fashion something until the real thing comes along. > > In related news, VG tells me that the rippled repro 5-tier dome fits the > wooden 147M lid. Guess what Santa's getting me for Christmas? > > Bob - Chicago > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 18 12:26:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 18 12:30:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola fireball 120 Message-ID: <20091218.152646.14829.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Tad: Typically, on a 50's jukebox, unless it's been re-habbed by someone at some point, is going to need the following: replace rotted damaged wiring dfor all power and lighting possibly replace original flourescent lighting ballasts with fresh ones buy new lamps and starters buy service manual take apart, clean, oil all 3 motors on the mechanism clean adjust repair mechanism as needed phono idler wheel resurface re flock turntable,if needed service credit acculumulator, coin rejector as needed possibly disasemble clean contacts on pinbank, if needed repair, rebuild amplifier electronics phono cartridge, stylus speaker work, if needed any cabinet repair, glass repair, replacement, trim parts,appearance items repair, replacement of casters,if needed This isn't meant to scare you. These are all the elements of a typical,original as-found jukebox that need attention in order to turn it into a first-class machine that works dependably and performs well. Depending upon condition, you can spend from $500 to $800 in parts costs on a rehab, more if you need to buy expensive parts like a glass domne or pilasters. A lot of people on this list enjoy taking on a project like this. $500 is a reasonable price to pay for an RO 1436 in decent, but non-working condition. When finished restoring the machine's value will be in the $2,000-$3,000 range. Add another $300 if it's a 78 RPM player. Does this tell you the answers you're looking for? Jim Alexander Hope this answers your question ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=rVXRPVwczTAueNuJ_p3-3gAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 18 13:43:28 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Fri Dec 18 13:45:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My holiday 78s Message-ID: <282905.61784.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear List, I'm off to visit relatives for the holidays. Thanks to all who are commenting and helping me bring my Trashcan to life. Here's a link to some tunes that have a home for Christmas in my Luxury Lightup: http://www.4shared.com/dir/10837136/b9744cca/Christmas_Music.html All are in my box with the exception of the first tune, "White Christmas" by Bing... not a 78 but an obscure version from a 1946 radio program for servicemen. If you don't download anything else, grab this one. A dear friend described listening to it as "watching a gentle snowfall". No background singers but a simple violin solo in their place. May your days be merry and bright.... you know the rest! Bob - Chicago From janne4000 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 18 14:02:27 2009 From: janne4000 at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?SmFubmUgRmxpbmtraWzk?=) Date: Fri Dec 18 14:10:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 484 - help needed! Message-ID: Hi you all! I bought a Rock-Ola 484, did some cleaning & greasing, bought a NOS needle and it seemed to work out fine. However, every now and then the Hit Tracker display either goes blank or shows these combinations: (empty) / 0 / 000 or (empty) / 100 / 200. Simultaneously the selections go off and credit display goes blank, so the jukebox keeps repeating the same record. Puts it in the magazine and then again on the plate etc. If you try to manually rotate the magazine by switching it to "scan" mode, the gripper mechanism just grabs the record, puts it on the plate, moves the tone arm on the record and then the whole process the other way round, again and again... The 9,6 V LED's stay lit in both Hit Tracker and Profit Setter (credit unit). Usually the jukebox starts working normally again as suddenly as it went blank. The selections are gone but Hit Tracker has stored the right titles. I cleaned all the terminals and connectors with contact spray and they should be ok. I also tried to replace the 3 V battery in Hit Tracker with new one, but it didn't help. I guess the battery pack under the tone arm is stripped by the previous owner. I ordered a service manual and it's on the way, but if there's some quick fix, I'd really appreciate your expertise... - Janne _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_1:092010 From jay at west.net Fri Dec 18 14:27:06 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Dec 18 14:28:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Administrivia - Posts not showing up Message-ID: <4B2C01BA.4020406@west.net> There can be several causes of this, here are a few: 1. If you post from an address that isn't subscribed to the list, it gets held for moderation. I usually get to these daily but sometimes it may be up to a week depending on how busy I am with other things. This happens when people have multiple email addresses forwarded to one and reply from an alias that isn't subscribed. Often the sender will realize this as they will get a message from the server that the message is being held. Then they may post from the subscribed address and get put up immediately. Then I come along and see the held one and approve it, not realizing it's a duplicate. This creates a delayed double posting. If this happens to you, please follow the link in the bounce message to cancel the duplicate. It saves me work and lessens confusion. One fix is to subscribe the second address. You can set it to "no mail" to avoid seeing duplicates. as long as it is subscribed, it can still be used to send. 2. You have set the "Not metoo" option in the member web portal. This causes the system to not send a copy of your own postings to you. They still go to the list and you still see replies. If you prefer it this way, fine. You'll see replies but avoid seeing your own messages. This is a choice that you can make at any time. By default you will see your own postings unless you select not to. 3. Your ISP's spam settings are such that messages from yourself are rejected, or for whatever reason the list traffic is being blocked as spam. See if there is an option to "whitelist" the list traffic or talk to your ISP about fixing the issue. If you aren't sure if a message has been posted, check the archives of the list and see. [Jay drops a nickel, selects A-19 on the Wurlitzer 1900 - "Please, Mr. Postman"] -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 18 15:08:00 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 18 15:09:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan lower-door animation made of "UnObtainium" In-Reply-To: <354428.18223.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <944151.34444.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob I did install one years ago--so I know that the "kit" did exist. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 12/18/09, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan lower-door animation made of "UnObtainium" To: "Jukebox List" Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 11:30 AM OK List, I checked with all the usual suspects and then some. The verdict: No one has lower-door animation unit for the Seeburg Trashcan! It's apparently made of UnObtainium! Although there have been sightings of the color sheet for it at VG. At least that's what I'm lead to believe. So, my question to the masses on this list is "has anyone seen one of these things (besides in the manuals) or has one on their Trashcan?". If you have one, would you be kind enough to snap a bunch of pix of it both in and out of the machine? If I had a real example of this beast then perhaps I can fashion something until the real thing comes along. In related news, VG tells me that the rippled repro 5-tier dome fits the wooden 147M lid. Guess what Santa's getting me for Christmas? Bob - Chicago _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Dec 18 15:36:28 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Dec 18 15:38:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reccomended Cleaner for Stylus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5321.56182.qm@web112107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 12/18/09, pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk > Use Isopropyl alcohol. Evapourates > quickly and leaves no residue. > > You can use it on your 45's too. Its the best cleaner you > can use. Just a reminder to never use alcohol on 78s unless you know that the record in question is vinyl. Alcohol is a solvent for shellac. From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 18 16:03:17 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Fri Dec 18 16:11:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My holiday 78s In-Reply-To: <282905.61784.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <620432.70919.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you.? These are great. Happy Holidays. TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools --- On Fri, 12/18/09, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] My holiday 78s To: "Jukebox List" Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 3:43 PM Dear List, I'm off to visit relatives for the holidays. Thanks to all who are commenting and helping me bring my Trashcan to life. Here's a link to some tunes that have a home for Christmas in my Luxury Lightup: http://www.4shared.com/dir/10837136/b9744cca/Christmas_Music.html All are in my box with the exception of the first tune, "White Christmas" by Bing... not a 78 but an obscure version from a 1946 radio program for servicemen. If you don't download anything else, grab this one. A dear friend described listening to it as "watching a gentle snowfall". No background singers but a simple violin solo in their place. May your days be merry and bright.... you know the rest! Bob - Chicago _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From edinman at earthlink.net Fri Dec 18 15:26:09 2009 From: edinman at earthlink.net (Ed Inman) Date: Fri Dec 18 16:54:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 484 - help needed! Message-ID: <5281442.1261178769466.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Janne, The battery pack is not an issue--it would be corroded by now anyway and was only designed to store credits in case of a brief power failure. Get a multitester and check the d.c. voltage to the microprocessor at the low voltage (pink wire) terminal on the power supply. First remove the plug. It is the third terminal from the left on the top row. Setting your tester to measure DC voltage, touch your black or negative pin to the green wire (ground) screw head just to the right of the terminal and the red or positive pin to the pink wire terminal. Now adjust to *precisely* 9.6 volts direct current using the "R 220" screw adjustment on the power supply board just above the terminal. This will often fix unexplained microprocessor issues in most 480-series Rock-Ola jukes. Hope this will help. good luck, Ed -----Original Message----- >From: Janne Flinkkil? >Sent: Dec 18, 2009 4:02 PM >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 484 - help needed! > > >Hi you all! > >I bought a Rock-Ola 484, did some cleaning & greasing, bought a NOS needle and it seemed to work out fine. > >However, every now and then the Hit Tracker display either goes blank or shows these combinations: (empty) / 0 / 000 or (empty) / 100 / 200. > >Simultaneously the selections go off and credit display goes blank, so the jukebox keeps repeating the same record. Puts it in the magazine and then again on the plate etc. > >If you try to manually rotate the magazine by switching it to "scan" mode, the gripper mechanism just grabs the record, puts it on the plate, moves the tone arm on the record and then the whole process the other way round, again and again... > >The 9,6 V LED's stay lit in both Hit Tracker and Profit Setter (credit unit). > >Usually the jukebox starts working normally again as suddenly as it went blank. The selections are gone but Hit Tracker has stored the right titles. > >I cleaned all the terminals and connectors with contact spray and they should be ok. > >I also tried to replace the 3 V battery in Hit Tracker with new one, but it didn't help. > >I guess the battery pack under the tone arm is stripped by the previous owner. > >I ordered a service manual and it's on the way, but if there's some quick fix, I'd really appreciate your expertise... > >- Janne > >_________________________________________________________________ >Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. >http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_1:092010_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jjmscf at aol.com Fri Dec 18 17:11:36 2009 From: jjmscf at aol.com (jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 18 17:13:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reccomended Cleaner for Stylus Message-ID: <9d3c.1fde50c4.385d8248@aol.com> Isopropyl alcohol is fine for the stylus and vinyl 45s but keep it far far away from 78s. It will melt them. I've also had bad experience with alcohol on styrene 45s which are much more common here in the US than across the pond.It seemed to melt them too. Turned a nearly new copy of Roger Miller's "King Of The Road" dull and very noisy. Played perfect before the alcohol "cleaning". I personally never used it on another record again. J.C. In a message dated 12/18/2009 10:05:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk writes: Use Isopropyl alcohol. Evapourates quickly and leaves no residue. You can use it on your 45's too. Its the best cleaner you can use. Doesnt need to be done regularly if you have a stylus brush in your machine that is operational, but worth a quick go when you've got the lid open and swapping records. Hope that helps, Nigel, UK > I was cleaning my 45's last night and it occurred to me that perhaps > cleaning the stylus would a good idea. I googled and found several > offerings. I would be interested in hearing from the experienced members > of > this group your opinion's of what to use to clean them or if it is even > necessary. > > Regards Don > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From wa0rrz at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 18 17:17:16 2009 From: wa0rrz at sbcglobal.net (ken brandt) Date: Fri Dec 18 17:25:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola 424 Message-ID: <547375.93451.qm@web82101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi I am new to this list,I am in need of a Magazine amd Gripper motors for my Rock-ola 424.the part no's in the parts book says one is p/n 40694 and the Gripper motor is p/n 40176 anyone have these for sale.Thanks Ken From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 18 17:47:43 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Fri Dec 18 17:49:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection References: <854400.91298.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I must admit I'm not sure on the 435, as I'm not a big fan of mid 60's "square boxes". I answered based on my experience with a 1493 Princess, where the WI coils are in the circuit with one level of the letter pushbutton switches. I assumed the 435 is the same. Ron Davis, check your diagram before pursuing the keyboard switches, but then again, it won't hurt to clean them. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Jim, Ii my thinking "off---I am thinking that the keyboard function is only to stop the WI hammer at the correct position ?? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/17/09, The Dirksen Family wrote: From: The Dirksen Family Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 4:29 PM If the write-in arm stops in the correct place, I'm going to assume the stop relay is working and you see a brief flash of light from the current limiting bulb inside the power distribution panel. At this point, one set of contacts on the stop relay sends current to the re-set coil (inside the accumulator assembly). Write-in occurs when the reset coil contacts close. If write-in is not happening, check both of these contacts and also check the write-in solenoid coils themselves. The circuit does go from the re-set coil contacts through the series keyboard switches before reaching the write-in coils, so dirty keyboard switches can be the culprit. A tired power supply will result in weak pulses, so as someone advised earlier, I would also replace the selenium rectifier. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Davis" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:29 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection > > > Hi Ron, > (Yea, Ron's OK. Don't like Ronald much, makes me feel I've done something > wrong) > If move a selection lever on the write in side everything happens as > normal. > If while this happening I make a new selection with the buttons, selection > arm rotates, stops where (I think) it should but the hammers don't work. > I just have a gut feeling that the problem lies either in the Transformer > / > rectifier area with one on the relays / fuses there, or wiring to or from. > I > have circuit tested (and cleaned mechanically and chemically) in that area > but to no avail. Any suggestion would be appreciated. I'm off for a few > days > touring Turkey, so further investigation will have to wait till after > Christmas. > So: Seasons greetings to all. > > Ron Davis > > > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:06:28 -0800 (PST) > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection > Problems > To: Jukebox mailing list > Message-ID: <90277.20649.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Ron, > (Great name, by the way ! ) What happens if you move a lever to the > selected state, THEN try to make a selection prior to the carriage pushing > the original pin to the non-selected side ? Does it "hammer" the SECOND > pin > (into the selected state) ? Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Ron Davis wrote: > > From: Ron Davis > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 4:56 AM > > Hi, > > I need help, (my doctor mentioned something similar years ago) but first I > must say as a relative newbie to this group, I get great pleasure in > reading > responses from experts who obviously have a love for what they do and know > what they are talking about. That's not all that common these days. > > I have owned this Rock-Ola for more than 25 years and it has given me > great > pleasure. (A few headaches along the way also) But I am now stuck. I even > had a look at the manual! If I press a selection the record rack will jerk > but not much else. Do this two or three times and the rack will rotate one > complete turn and stop with a jerky movement. The hammers on the wobble > plate do not register anything. If I select a lever on the wobble plate, > everything takes over as normal. I have attempted to clean all relays and > connections. I guess I've missed one or two. Any help would be gratefully > appreciated. > > > > Ron Davis > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - Release Date: 12/18/09 02:35:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Dec 18 19:19:48 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Dec 18 19:21:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My holiday 78s In-Reply-To: <282905.61784.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <150486.91066.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Since we're talking play lists, I put together this list of the records in my Seeburg M100-A last Christmas. I don't remember if it was for this list, or the 78 collectors' list or the ARSC list, so please excuse me if this is old news, but here's what again is in the Seeburg this Christmas. The annual Yuletide party is tomorrow, so they will get played. (No mp3s, but I do have some pictures.): http://tildebang.com/images/xmas-jukebox.jpg http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-1.jpg http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-2.jpg The AMI G-200 will be entertaining guests out in the yard... http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-3.jpg Eartha Kitt "Santa Baby" RCA Victor 20-5502 Arthur Fiedler & the Boston Pops "Sleigh Ride" (by Anderson) RCA Victor Red Seal 10-1484 Guy Lombardo & the Andrews Sisters "Winter Wonderland"/"Christmas Island" Decca 23722 Gene Autry "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer"/"If it doesn't snow on Christmas" Columbia C1400 Nat King Cole "The Christmas Song" Capitol 311 Bing Crosby "White Christmas"/"God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen" Decca 23778 (From the Crosby Christmas album.) Leroy Anderson and His Orchestra "Christmas Festival" Parts 1 and 2 Decca Gold Label 16041 (This is an arrangement he did for the Boston Pops and is featured as played by the Pops on their "Pops Christmas Party" album as well, still in print on CD as far as I know.) Harry Reser and his Orchestra "Santa Claus is Coming to Town"/"Jingle Bells" Decca 264 (This is the *original* recording of the famous Santa song.) Kay Starr w/Frank deVol's Orchestra "(Everybody's Waiting for) The Man with the Bag" Decca `256 Bing Crosby and the Andrews Sisters "Mele Kilikimaka"/"Poppa Santa Claus" Decca 27228 Gene Autry "Here Comes Santa Claus"/"An Old Fashioned Tree" Columbia 37942 The Drifters "White Christmas"/"The Bells of St. Mary's" Atlantic 1048 The BBC Chorus "The First Nowell"/"Good King Wenceslas" Columbia 244-M Gene Autry "Sleigh Bells"/"I wish Mom Would Marry Santa Claus" Columbia 40135 Tommy Dorsey "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" / Benny Goodman "Jingle Bells" (Canadian) Victor 25145 Mantovani and his Orchestra "White Christmas"/"Adeste Fidelis" London 1280 (These songs were part of a Mantovani Christmas LP and set of 45 EPs all released at the same time, and later re-recorded and re-released in stereo.) Bobby Helms "Jingle Bell Rock"/"Captain Santa Claus" Decca 30513 (Unlike the 45 re-release from the 70s, which I've also heard on LP compilations, this does *not* have the choral bridge mixed out of phase, with the resultant very low volume. It's very up-front and bright here.) Gene Autry "He's a Chubby Little Fellow"/"Santa, Santa, Santa" Columbia 20616 (This forgotten Autry song from the Rudolph/Sleigh Bells era has ridiculously vapid lyrics, but the tune it so catchy it almost makes up for it.) David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 18 19:58:18 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 18 19:59:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola 424 In-Reply-To: <547375.93451.qm@web82101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <280002.28758.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ken, What makes you think that you NEED motors ?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 12/18/09, ken brandt wrote: From: ken brandt Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola 424 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 5:17 PM Hi I am new to this list,I am in need of a Magazine amd Gripper motors for my Rock-ola 424.the part no's in the parts book says one is p/n 40694 and the Gripper motor is p/n 40176 anyone have these for sale.Thanks Ken _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 18 20:08:57 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 18 20:10:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT: Unobtainium - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia Message-ID: <661576.35403.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy's, A friend of mine who is a "lurker" on this list sent me this--it IS funny--True too !! Ron Rich http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Unobtainium Unobtainium - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia From amej at ix.netcom.com Fri Dec 18 19:57:52 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Fri Dec 18 20:46:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Recommended Cleaner for Stylus In-Reply-To: <8cf1842e0912180638n526af66atbee79499cda314ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cf1842e0912180638n526af66atbee79499cda314ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2C4F40.9030400@ix.netcom.com> I found this information on another site that recommended using Mr. Clean Magic Eraser for cleaning needles: > I use a Magic Eraser and did find that it cleans as good as anything I > have tried. > I assume you do the "cue down and just dip" method of cleaning and not > try to drag the *stylus* through the material. > I have hit occassions with particularly filthy records that I required > a wet cleaner and brush, lately I have been using Disc Doctor cleaner > for that. > I did find that using the Magic Eraser did lower some playback > distortion. I assume this was because it gets the *stylus* cleaner > then my pervious method. It did not solve all distortion issues however. > Dick Habegger Phelan, CA Donald Whiting wrote: > I was cleaning my 45's last night and it occurred to me that perhaps > cleaning the stylus would a good idea. I googled and found several > offerings. I would be interested in hearing from the experienced members of > this group your opinion's of what to use to clean them or if it is even > necessary. > > Regards Don > > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 18 21:06:54 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 18 21:10:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock-ola 424 Message-ID: <20091219.000654.2129.4@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Hello Ken: I'm a service tech in Atlanta Ga. It's very unusual that you'd need to buy 2 new robotics motors for your RO 424 (1964 Grand Prix,right?) unless they are damaged or missing. These motors can be diassembled and serviced. Parts like the brushes and armatures are available separately. If both motors stopped working at once, have you checked your machine's power supply for blown fuses or a malfunction? All the above are cheaper than buying 2nd hand motors. To directly answer your question, though, there are several jukebox parts salvage operations around the US that traffic in old original parts. The gripper arm and record basket motors from several different RockOla model families will interchange with these motors. A key is to look at the motor connector. If they are different than yours, the motor might still be compatible,but you need to check it out further. Used motors from John Durfee (www.jukeboxparts.com) or Bill Butterfield (www.jukebox-parts.com) will cost about $75-100 ea. Sometimes there are people selling these on E Bay cheaply. Good luck solving your problem--keep us informed, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. 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Dick Habegger Phelan, CA [This message is being sent from YAHOO! since my ISP(Earthlink) skips sending messages. Please Reply To: amej@ix.netcom.com] From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 19 00:38:19 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 19 00:41:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems Message-ID: <20091219.033819.26136.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Dick: Ironically, one of my "obsolete" skills is being a draftsman. With AutoCAD no one needs it any more. That's why I wondered whether Pink Pearl and Artgum erasers, once staples of the trade were still being made. I guess I can go hang out with the typewriter repair technician and the TV antenna installer. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=o3HlaJ93QsvwA0WYMTs9MwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= From amej at ix.netcom.com Fri Dec 18 19:16:07 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Sat Dec 19 05:08:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems In-Reply-To: <20091217.155802.17665.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091217.155802.17665.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4B2C4577.9050404@ix.netcom.com> Hi Jim, I checked with Office Max tonight to see what they sold. They have a "look-alike" Pink Pearl Eraser from Helix: www.helixusa.com I will try it over the holiday to see how it compares with the original Pink Pearl Eraser. Regards, Dick Habegger Phelan, CA James Alexander wrote: > The Pink Pearl and Artgum brands were high-quality erasers used by draftsmen and artists back in the day. Are those erasers still being sold? > > Jim Alexander > From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Dec 19 05:08:48 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sat Dec 19 05:10:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Merry Christmas Message-ID: Good Morning! I wanted to report in on my Trashcan Dome Animation.....VG shipped most of my order very quickly...the cage is and has been on backorder for a while, thanks to Bill Bickers who sent me one 2 years ago with original motor, (Mel reminded me I had one!) we were able to use that one. I got the plastics in after some cursing and tweaking, as I didn't have anything to trim it with. I kept the original "Seeburg" plastic in the front. It is cracked in a few places and is faded in color, but I love that it's original. I am sure it will shrink now that there is heat up there! Most went smoothly, Mel had to improvise, as many of the parts were not included in the kit. I am not sure if the light socket is included in the backordered cage, but Mel had and old socket and may I say that my Antique Floor Lamp no longer has a cord! We used the old motor from Bill. The new motor has no threads so the old cage wouldn't attach. I suppose if the old motor hadn't worked, Mel would have thought of a way to attach the new one, lol I was noticing muffled voices on the records so got a new needle and it sounds like a new jukebox. For about a year, the trays coming out in 2's has been an issue. After lubricating it the issue remained. Turns out the drum was out of alignment so with some minor tweaking it is selecting one tray at a time!! Yeah Mel. Ron I know you are pleased, as this Trashcan is now complete! It is more beautiful than I could have hoped for. Having this complete is the best Christmas Present ever...I am snowed in under an expected 24" of snow by tomorrow and just loving life...I've got nothing to do but play my Jukeboxes! Jackie Dancin' Out From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 19 08:55:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 19 08:57:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <426729.19286.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, Glad to here it "worked out"? ! Snow--whatzdat ?? (Could be that why I am not a "collector") Merry Christmass to you and yours --and to all the guy's "on the list" ! Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Merry Christmas To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 5:08 AM Good Morning! I wanted to report in on my Trashcan Dome Animation.....VG shipped most of my order very quickly...the cage is and has been on backorder for a while, thanks to Bill Bickers who sent me one 2 years ago with original motor, (Mel reminded me I had one!) we were able to use that one.? I got the plastics in after some cursing and tweaking, as I didn't have anything to trim it with.? I kept the original "Seeburg" plastic in the front. It is cracked in a few places and is faded in color, but I love that it's original.? I am sure it will shrink now that there is heat up there!? Most went smoothly, Mel had to improvise, as many of the parts were not included in the kit.? I am not sure if the light socket is included in the backordered cage, but Mel had and old socket and may I say that my Antique Floor Lamp no longer has a cord!? We used the old motor from Bill.? The new motor has no threads so the old cage wouldn't attach.? I suppose if the old motor hadn't worked, Mel would have thought of a way to attach the new one, lol I was noticing muffled voices on the records so got a new needle and it sounds like a new jukebox.? For about a year, the trays coming out in 2's has? been an issue.? After lubricating it the issue remained.? Turns out the drum was out of alignment so with some minor tweaking it is selecting one tray at a time!!? Yeah Mel. Ron I know you are pleased, as this Trashcan is now complete!? It is more beautiful than I could have hoped for.? Having this complete is the best Christmas Present ever...I am snowed in under an expected 24" of snow by tomorrow and just loving life...I've got nothing to do but play my Jukeboxes! Jackie Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From russodue at earthlink.net Sat Dec 19 10:13:07 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Sat Dec 19 10:49:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting Message-ID: <12506068.1261246387257.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I think it is a server / PHP problem. Making it a "list" problem. I don't know the specifics of how the "list" is being managed, but I'd guess it is the server it is being hosted from and the PHP code that it uses to process / authenticate the incoming posts. Tony -----Original Message----- >From: Ron Rich >Sent: Dec 18, 2009 10:28 AM >To: Jukebox mailing list >Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] non-posting > >I don't know if this is necessarily a "list" problem, or an Internet problem in general. "People" have told me that they "wrote" me--but I have never seen it--It happens from my wife's computer, once in awhile, who sits 5 feet away !? Ron Rich > >--- On Thu, 12/17/09, tony russo wrote: > >From: tony russo >Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] non-posting >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 4:33 PM > > >Yes, a VERY common problem. > > > >> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:57:16 -0800 >> From: wbabbott@yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] non-posting >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> >> Yes, it is a common problem! I could not get my posts through from my Verizon.net webmail. I could receive all the posts, just couldn't make any reply posts or new posts. I've had other issues with Verizon.net mail and don't like it so I've switched over to Yahoo webmail!? ? >> Britt >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "Dicecco, Michael" >> To: Jukebox mailing list >> Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 12:58:08 PM >> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] non-posting >> >> You're getting through now!!!! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of edward >> graves >> Sent: 2009, December, 17 3:57 PM >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting >> >> I wonder why my submissions do not get posted ? Is this a common problem >> ? Is posting restricted to some people ? 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I don't remember when I wrote about your plastics coming in that you had to account for the fact that you'll be using a TON of "colorful metaphors" when installing them. I know that when my wife and I put my set in, the kids were sent to bed around 5:00 in the afternoon just in case. I was saying things that didn't even make any sense because the whole ordeal was so darn frustrating at times. But aren't the finished results worth it? I remember saying that even with the aggravation of installing the plastics, restoring a Trashcan was a great experience and one that I wouldn't hesitate to repeat at some time. All you have to do now is find a copy of "Santa Clause is Riding the Trail" and you'll be all set! MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! Aaron On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Jackie Elgie wrote: > Good Morning! > I wanted to report in on my Trashcan Dome Animation.....VG shipped most of > my order very quickly...the cage is and has been on backorder for a while, > thanks to Bill Bickers who sent me one 2 years ago with original motor, (Mel > reminded me I had one!) we were able to use that one. I got the plastics in > after some cursing and tweaking, as I didn't have anything to trim it with. > I kept the original "Seeburg" plastic in the front. It is cracked in a few > places and is faded in color, but I love that it's original. I am sure it > will shrink now that there is heat up there! > > Most went smoothly, Mel had to improvise, as many of the parts were not > included in the kit. I am not sure if the light socket is included in the > backordered cage, but Mel had and old socket and may I say that my Antique > Floor Lamp no longer has a cord! We used the old motor from Bill. The new > motor has no threads so the old cage wouldn't attach. I suppose if the old > motor hadn't worked, Mel would have thought of a way to attach the new one, > lol > > I was noticing muffled voices on the records so got a new needle and it > sounds like a new jukebox. For about a year, the trays coming out in 2's > has been an issue. After lubricating it the issue remained. Turns out the > drum was out of alignment so with some minor tweaking it is selecting one > tray at a time!! Yeah Mel. > > Ron I know you are pleased, as this Trashcan is now complete! It is more > beautiful than I could have hoped for. Having this complete is the best > Christmas Present ever...I am snowed in under an expected 24" of snow by > tomorrow and just loving life...I've got nothing to do but play my > Jukeboxes! > Jackie > Dancin' Out_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From tabuhl at asap-corporation.com Thu Dec 17 15:29:50 2009 From: tabuhl at asap-corporation.com (Tim Abuhl) Date: Sat Dec 19 12:16:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 repair Message-ID: Ron, Are you still available for advice on these DS 160 Seeburgs? Not to bother you but I read some of the posts and see you seem to know quite a bit. I suppose you get lots of inquiries? If you can help me, I have a couple of questions: If not, I understand. First, I purchased this DS 160 a couple of months ago, and proceeded to change out most of the tubes, and both needles. Then I started buying mint records to try and produce the best possible senario for good sound etc. It doesn't need coins to operate however, and after reading a bit here and there, that may mean someone by passed the coin system and the latch solenoid stays on? I Ocasionaly had a buzz coming from the solenoid after the 3rd selection was made. It seemed to except seven selections. And oh, by the way, it played great. The buzz got worse, so I bought a NOS solenoid. For now, the buzz is gone. Anyway, It played flawlessly for about a month, then started skipping, or passing over selections. I noticed just prior to it stop picking up records, that the reject button started malfunctioning, or making sounds like it was loading or electrical failure. Almost like it was starting to burn or fry up. I thought by replacing the trip switch, that might help, so I did, but no change. The reject button will not work. I believe by reading, it may just be a gummed up plunger Finally, it just scans twice without picking up any record. After removing the mechanism cover, I can manually flip a bkt/lever, and make it pick up and play. I also replaced the credit light bulb, which worked for a while, until one day after wondering why it wasn't picking up a record, I pulled the bulb socket out, and accidentally grounded it, which it emitted a small spark, then after replacing a new bulb, put in back and nothing. Not only that, but from that moment, the keys stay down and it won't even scan. I still can override that by hitting the service solenoid switch, which releases the keys. I also can still make the mechanism scan by using the service switch. While it's moving, I can manually hit that lever (on the mechanism) and it will stop, select, and play. It won't return the record however until I hit the lever again, then it continues it's movement cycle. (2 scans). So, my specific questions, unless by telling you this story, you have a magical "look here solution" are as follows: A) What would cause the keys to suddenly stay down, right after that bulb shorted? I can't find a fuse related to that circuit? Is there a fuse? Or could it be a resistor now? It happened immediately after that short. B) I'm guessing that plunger is stuck, and that had something to do with the reject button failing, or trying to move, but it's gummed up inside? The wiring and overall unit shape looks excellent, pretty solid, clean, and still soft to the tough etc. I could be guessing again, but I think I now need to clean the entire mechanism. I believe to get access to that rear solenoid and plunger, I may have to take the records and tray out? It isn't horribly dirty from first glance, but after a closer review, I think the mechanism could use a cleaning. It's probably not been cleaned since? 50 years? Tim Abuhl Vice President of Operations ASAP Corporation 15100 40th Ave. N.E. Suite 201 Marysville, WA. 98271 Tel. 360-657-0127 x 167 or direct 360-618-4473 Fax. 360-657-0128 From used6550 at cox.net Wed Dec 16 12:35:59 2009 From: used6550 at cox.net (used6550) Date: Sat Dec 19 12:16:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Galaxy 200 - 45RPM Jukebox Ortofon dual needle cartridge Message-ID: <4AAFC7119BD54B889A747CC8E859758D@ownerhp> Hello Folks, I am in need of an Ortofon dual needle cartridge for my Galaxy 200 - 45RPM Jukebox. I need a replacement because of one channel that plays the left side of the record does not work, also the resistance is double for the bad side. I am living on $1000.00 a month from social security disability so any used unit will do, even if it's ugly. I cannot afford much at all, so please be kind. I really play my Jukebox a lot, it is one of my few forms of enjoyment. I Thank You for your help and time in this matter. Pete . . God Bless . . . . . From wa0rrz at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 19 12:36:01 2009 From: wa0rrz at sbcglobal.net (ken brandt) Date: Sat Dec 19 12:37:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 424 Message-ID: <851863.24669.qm@web82101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to Ron and Jim for their reply,The reason I need both the gripper and magazine motors is because their both missing,The guy I bought the 424 from said it worked till he moved it up stairs and he lost the cabnet key,after buying a key I found out that both motors were gone along with 2 ballast transformers.I found a guy on ebay that has both out of a 1963 rock-ola.(don't know what model) but the part numbers are different,any ideas if they might work? Thanks Ken From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 19 13:14:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 19 13:16:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 424 In-Reply-To: <851863.24669.qm@web82101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <188215.51432.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ken, You are welcome--I am not sure, but I THINK yes--look carefully at the PINS, in the plugs of your phonograph, and have the guy describe the ones on the motors to you. If they are identical, I would bet on it working (if the motors are good !).? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/19/09, ken brandt wrote: From: ken brandt Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 424 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 12:36 PM Thanks to Ron and Jim for their reply,The reason I need both the gripper and magazine motors is because their both missing,The guy I bought the 424 from said it worked till he moved it up stairs and he lost the cabnet key,after buying a key I found out that both motors were gone along with 2 ballast transformers.I found a guy on ebay that has both out of a 1963 rock-ola.(don't know what model) but the part numbers are different,any ideas if they might work? Thanks Ken _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Dec 19 12:24:49 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sat Dec 19 13:28:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT- xmas selections Message-ID: <2747AE39-416B-4F6C-95B7-6AAF2BA8EFA1@verizon.net> I just found a really nice Blues (which is my favorite music) Merry Christmas Baby, by Johnny Moore's Three Blazers Great Find! Jackie From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 19 14:02:23 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 19 14:04:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 repair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <535061.88985.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Tim, Yes, I still am afixin' on them ! It sounds to me, that you have several problems--possibly related, but I'm not sure. I suggest that if you want to repair it yourself, you should purchase & read a manual set. These are available from www.alwaysjukin.com . I also suggest that a copy of my (soon to be "out of print") Seeburg Mechanism Guide might be of help--I think Always Jukin is sold out of these, but--I still have a few left at $27.50 post paid---(send a check, if you want one to: Ron Rich, 1036 Pinehurst Ct., Millbrae CA 94030-1041--write "Mech Guide" on the memo line). Doing the above will give us common terms by which to communicate--without which, it's almost an impossible task. If you do not wish to "do it yourself", you can ship components to me for repair--or you can contact Harold Hagen who is more then able to help you, and is much closer to you, being in Seattle ( hhagen41@yahoo.com ) Please say "hi" from me to him--- Ron --- On Thu, 12/17/09, Tim Abuhl wrote: From: Tim Abuhl Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg DS160 repair To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 3:29 PM Ron,? Are you still available for advice on these DS 160 Seeburgs?? Not to bother you but I read some of the posts and see you seem to know quite a bit. I suppose you get lots of inquiries? If you can help me, I have a couple of questions:? If not, I understand. First, I purchased this DS 160 a couple of months ago, and proceeded to change out most of the tubes, and both needles. Then I started buying mint records to try and produce the best possible senario for good sound etc. It doesn't need coins to operate however, and after reading a bit here and there, that may mean someone by passed the coin system and the latch solenoid stays on? I Ocasionaly had a buzz coming from the solenoid after the 3rd selection was made. It seemed to except seven selections. And oh, by the way, it played great. The buzz got worse, so I bought a NOS solenoid. For now, the buzz is gone. Anyway, It played flawlessly for about a month, then started skipping, or passing over selections. I noticed just prior to it stop picking up records, that the reject button started malfunctioning, or making sounds like it was loading or electrical failure. Almost like it was starting to burn or fry up. I thought by replacing the trip switch, that might help, so I did, but no change. The reject button will not work.? I believe by reading, it may just be a gummed up plunger? ???Finally, it just scans twice without picking up any record. After removing the mechanism cover, I can manually flip a bkt/lever, and make it pick up and play. I also replaced the credit light bulb, which worked for a while, until one day after wondering why it wasn't picking up a record, I pulled the bulb socket out, and accidentally grounded it, which it emitted a small spark, then after replacing a new bulb, put in back and nothing. Not only that, but from that moment, the keys stay down and it won't even scan. I still can override that by hitting the service solenoid switch, which releases the keys. I also can still make the mechanism scan by using the service switch. While it's moving, I can manually hit that lever (on the mechanism) and it will stop, select, and play. It won't return the record however until I hit the lever again, then it continues it's movement cycle. (2 scans).???So, my specific questions, unless by telling you this story, you have a magical "look here solution" are as follows: A)? ???What would cause the keys to suddenly stay down, right after that bulb shorted? I can't find a fuse related to that circuit? Is there a fuse? Or could it be a resistor now? It happened immediately after that short. B)? ???I'm guessing that plunger is stuck, and that had something to do with the reject button failing, or trying to move, but it's gummed up inside? The wiring and overall unit shape looks excellent, pretty solid, clean, and still soft to the tough etc. I could be guessing again, but I think I now need to clean the entire mechanism. I believe to get access to that rear solenoid and plunger, I may have to take the records and tray out? It isn't horribly dirty from first glance, but after a closer review, I think the mechanism could use a cleaning. It's probably not been cleaned since? 50 years? Tim Abuhl Vice President of Operations ASAP Corporation 15100 40th Ave. N.E. Suite 201 Marysville, WA. 98271 Tel.? 360-657-0127 x 167 or direct 360-618-4473 Fax. 360-657-0128 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From weller.anette at t-online.de Sat Dec 19 14:02:55 2009 From: weller.anette at t-online.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Anette_Kr=E4mer?=) Date: Sat Dec 19 14:41:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What exactly was Wurlitzer's Kit 87? Message-ID: Hi, I have found your advertising/message by google for o.m. subject. I know thats 5 years ago :-) but maybe you do still have one or two Kit 87 for a Wurlitzer Jukebox? Thanks and kind regards, Anette From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sat Dec 19 14:36:57 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sat Dec 19 14:44:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Galaxy 200 NSM - 45RPM Jukebox Ortofon dual needlecartridge References: <4AAFC7119BD54B889A747CC8E859758D@ownerhp> Message-ID: <7EB9D344D8F0436CA348A01A1C08C8ED@Graeme> G'day Pete, I googled Galaxy 200 Jukebox to find out what make it was. Is it a NSM with visible mech playing records vertically like Seeburgs. I cannot help as they are not common in Oz. NSM was more widely distributed in Europe. Our European members may have a spare that can help you out and bring you a smile at this time of the year. Best of luck and let us know how you go. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "used6550" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:35 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Galaxy 200 - 45RPM Jukebox Ortofon dual needlecartridge Hello Folks, I am in need of an Ortofon dual needle cartridge for my Galaxy 200 - 45RPM Jukebox. I need a replacement because of one channel that plays the left side of the record does not work, also the resistance is double for the bad side. I am living on $1000.00 a month from social security disability so any used unit will do, even if it's ugly. I cannot afford much at all, so please be kind. I really play my Jukebox a lot, it is one of my few forms of enjoyment. I Thank You for your help and time in this matter. Pete . . God Bless . . . . . _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 19 15:58:20 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 19 15:59:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What exactly was Wurlitzer's Kit 87? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <543127.75206.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Anette, You have written to a "membership list" --perhaps someone here knows what that kit was, or maybe not. Re check the advertisement for the correct address-?? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Anette Kr?mer wrote: From: Anette Kr?mer Subject: [Jukebox-list] What exactly was Wurlitzer's Kit 87? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 2:02 PM Hi, I have found your advertising/message by google for o.m. subject. I know thats 5 years ago :-) but maybe you do still have one or two Kit 87 for a Wurlitzer Jukebox? Thanks and kind regards, Anette _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Sat Dec 19 16:10:30 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sat Dec 19 16:12:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism Guide Message-ID: <009001ca8108$d7573aa0$48944e18@compaq> Ron, I just read a post and you mentioned that your " Seeburg Mechanism Guide " is " soon to be out of print " . Is there another book in the works? The person that posted questions about there newly aquired Seeburg DS 160 should not hesitate and buy Ron's book. PS BUY RON"S BOOK. From pinball at telus.net Sat Dec 19 16:10:41 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Dec 19 16:12:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What exactly was Wurlitzer's Kit 87? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B2D6B81.8070005@telus.net> Anette Kr?mer wrote: > Hi, > > I have found your advertising/message by google for o.m. subject. I know > thats 5 years ago :-) but maybe you do still have one or two Kit 87 for a > Wurlitzer Jukebox? > > Thanks and kind regards, > Anette > Kit 87 is the pre-amp for the Cobra Cartridge conversion for older 24 selection jukeboxes (1015 and older). I may still have one here... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 19 16:20:58 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 19 16:24:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What exactly was Wurlitzer's Kit 87? Message-ID: <20091219.192058.14880.3@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hello Annette, Ron: I have a lot of older printed US Wurlitzer service lit. available to me. Most of the Wurlitzer "kits" were covered in one or two page service bulletins,mailed out to Wurlitzer distributors and vending companies. These kit bulletins were tech descriptions and schematics covering juke accessories, parts add-ons, or new repair info for a particular product family of jukeboxes, where the printing deadline for the main service manual had passed. When AMR reprinted the original manuals, most of the tech bulletins were "lost in the wash" and never republished. Accessories are items like wallboxes, paging kits,extension speakers, etc. If you can give me more info about Kit 87, like which jukebox model it belongs with, I may be able to shed light on it. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=hIWUxeYKhFoqTLA625GwIgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= From jay at west.net Sat Dec 19 16:59:07 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Dec 19 17:00:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting In-Reply-To: <12506068.1261246387257.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <12506068.1261246387257.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B2D76DB.5060702@west.net> Russo wrote: > I think it is a server / PHP problem. Making it a "list" problem. I don't know the specifics of how the "list" is being managed, but I'd guess it is the server it is being hosted from and the PHP code that it uses to process / authenticate the incoming posts. It's GNU Mailman on a Linux platform. Written in Python, not PHP. Inbound posts are either approved and go direct to the list or are held for moderation. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From russodue at earthlink.net Sat Dec 19 18:58:55 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (tony russo) Date: Sat Dec 19 19:00:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting In-Reply-To: <4B2D76DB.5060702@west.net> References: <12506068.1261246387257.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4B2D76DB.5060702@west.net> Message-ID: Okay. Thanks Jay. Sorry for the guessing. Though then it'd seem it is a GNU Mailman / Python issue. Probably being overwhelmed with spam and getting confused or backlogged. Perhaps a different alternative of signing in would help to alleviate the GNU Mailman from having to check all incoming traffic. Tony > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:59:07 -0800 > From: jay@west.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] non-posting > > Russo wrote: > > I think it is a server / PHP problem. Making it a "list" problem. I don't know the specifics of how the "list" is being managed, but I'd guess it is the server it is being hosted from and the PHP code that it uses to process / authenticate the incoming posts. > > It's GNU Mailman on a Linux platform. Written in Python, not PHP. > Inbound posts are either approved and go direct to the list or are held > for moderation. > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 19 19:39:24 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 19 19:42:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Galaxy 200 - 45RPM Jukebox Ortofon dual needle cart ridge Message-ID: <20091219.223924.14278.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Hello Pete: I am assuming that you are located in the US. NSM jukebox parts for the 80's era vinyl players are difficult to find here as NSM closed off parts and service here in the early 90's. The Ortofon cartridge used was unique and nothing else will replace it. I don't have any NSM parts to sell, but: A place that might be able to help you is John Durfee's Durfee Coin Op in Orange MA. In the last few months he's taken in a number of old NSM jukes to be used for parts. I don't know what the asking price is for an Ortofon cartridge. web: www.jukeboxparts.com PH 978 544 3800 Here's a last ditch service effort that may revive your old cartridge,given your financial limitations. The stereo magnetic cartrige consists of two windings of very light guage wire. The stylus provides the moving magnet to operate the device. Magnetic cartridges typically don't fail, unless one of the coils made of fine guage wire develops a hairline fracture or a bad solder joint, etc. l This may sound a little outrageous, but it works. Using a 1.5 volt C or D battery with test leads, apply the battery voltage for a short time (a few seconds)to the high resistance channel. You can't open up the cartridge body without damaging it. Sometimes the shock excitation will remake the bad connection. Should be disconnected from amp input when yiu do this. On the other hand, this can also burn the coil open. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=jWxnLKg1PkZZkRQOBOu0CAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From jay at west.net Sat Dec 19 19:45:39 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Dec 19 19:47:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting In-Reply-To: References: <12506068.1261246387257.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4B2D76DB.5060702@west.net> Message-ID: <4B2D9DE3.7080001@west.net> tony russo wrote: > Okay. Thanks Jay. Sorry for the guessing. Though then it'd seem it > is a GNU Mailman / Python issue. Probably being overwhelmed with spam > and getting confused or backlogged. Perhaps a different alternative of signing in would help to alleviate the GNU Mailman from having to check all incoming traffic. Actually, the spam load isn't significant (relatively speaking) and the server load is relatively low. This box hosts several lists and chugs right along. SMTP is a connection-oriented protocol. If your message isn't received by the list, your sending server *should* send you a bounce message explaining the issue. If it is received and held, the server will send you a message so indicating. The most common issues are people sending from an address not subscribed, large attachments (programs that put cutesy dancing animals on all outgoing email, binary attachments, and quoting a whole day's digest to add a one-liner), and aggressive ISP spam filters. The address-not-subscribed ones I push through, the large attachments I reject with a (usually polite) explanation for editing, and the ISP spam filters either trap return mail from the list in a junk folder or throw it on the floor depending on the ISP. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Sat Dec 19 21:16:02 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Sat Dec 19 21:17:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Galaxy 200 - 45RPM Jukebox Ortofon dual needle cart ridge In-Reply-To: <20091219.223924.14278.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <546001.63187.qm@web96002.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Re:Ortofon Cartridge/Tone arm,Contact me off list, I have a complete mech out of a city2 ... can pirate the tone arm if its compatible...Cheers John, Metro Cinema Dunedin NewZealand --- On Sun, 20/12/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Galaxy 200 - 45RPM Jukebox Ortofon dual needle cart ridge To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, 20 December, 2009, 4:39 PM Hello Pete: I am assuming that you are located in the US. NSM jukebox parts for the 80's era vinyl players are difficult to find here as NSM closed off parts and service here in the early 90's.? ? The Ortofon cartridge used was unique and nothing else will replace it.? I don't have any NSM parts to sell, but: A place that might be able to help you is John Durfee's Durfee Coin Op in Orange MA.? In the last few months he's taken in a number of old NSM jukes to be used for parts.???I don't know what the asking price is for an Ortofon cartridge.? web: www.jukeboxparts.com? PH 978 544 3800 Here's a last ditch service effort that may revive your old cartridge,given your financial limitations.? The stereo magnetic cartrige consists of two windings of very light guage wire.? The stylus provides the moving magnet to operate the device. Magnetic cartridges typically don't fail, unless one of the coils made of fine guage wire develops a hairline fracture or a bad solder joint, etc. l? This may sound a little outrageous, but it works.? Using a 1.5 volt C or D battery with test leads, apply the battery voltage for a short time (a few seconds)to the high resistance channel.? You can't open up the cartridge body without damaging it. Sometimes the shock excitation will remake the bad connection.? Should be disconnected from amp input when yiu do this. On the other hand, this can also burn the coil open.? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=jWxnLKg1PkZZkRQOBOu0CAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mikehung10 at aol.com Sat Dec 19 22:46:07 2009 From: mikehung10 at aol.com (mikehung10@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 19 22:54:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select -o- matic L-100 for sell Message-ID: <5ba1.2df48b1a.385f222f@aol.com> I'm in northern California, & needing some extra cash for the holidays. I was wondering where i might find someone interested in buying my jukebox...thanks From russodue at earthlink.net Sun Dec 20 00:06:31 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (tony russo) Date: Sun Dec 20 00:08:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting In-Reply-To: <4B2D9DE3.7080001@west.net> References: <12506068.1261246387257.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, , <4B2D76DB.5060702@west.net>, , <4B2D9DE3.7080001@west.net> Message-ID: "Relative" in context is a variable according to circumstance(s). None of what you describe applies to me and the countless times I've been held, delayed (24+ hours sometimes). I'm not arguing the manner in which it occurs, or debating, just stating that it does. There are also times when I get flooded with posts in my mailbox, assuming they are all processed in bulk and not as recieved. Nothing in life is perfect (understood), but surely there is something slowing the GNU Mailman down, perhaps unruly dogs. As for the programs/languages used, they are what they are - in a constant state of developing, more or less. If it works good enough, that's probably good enough. If I were Jay, I probably wouldn,t want to spend much time with it either. Tony > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:45:39 -0800 > From: jay@west.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] non-posting > > tony russo wrote: > > Okay. Thanks Jay. Sorry for the guessing. Though then it'd seem it > > is a GNU Mailman / Python issue. Probably being overwhelmed with spam > > and getting confused or backlogged. Perhaps a different alternative of signing in would help to alleviate the GNU Mailman from having to check all incoming traffic. > > Actually, the spam load isn't significant (relatively speaking) and the > server load is relatively low. This box hosts several lists and chugs > right along. > > SMTP is a connection-oriented protocol. If your message isn't received > by the list, your sending server *should* send you a bounce message > explaining the issue. > > If it is received and held, the server will send you a message so > indicating. > > The most common issues are people sending from an address not > subscribed, large attachments (programs that put cutesy dancing animals > on all outgoing email, binary attachments, and quoting a whole day's > digest to add a one-liner), and aggressive ISP spam filters. > > The address-not-subscribed ones I push through, the large attachments I > reject with a (usually polite) explanation for editing, and the ISP spam > filters either trap return mail from the list in a junk folder or throw > it on the floor depending on the ISP. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From mmarsh16 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 20 00:32:12 2009 From: mmarsh16 at hotmail.com (Mike Marsh) Date: Sun Dec 20 00:39:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Galaxy 200 - 45RPM Jukebox Ortofon dual needle cartridge In-Reply-To: <4AAFC7119BD54B889A747CC8E859758D@ownerhp> References: <4AAFC7119BD54B889A747CC8E859758D@ownerhp> Message-ID: Hi Pete, Here's a link to a company that has these Ortofon dual needle cartridges for $30 a pair. Take a look. http://www.needles4jukeboxes.com/NSM_needles.htm Have Fun, Mike > From: used6550@cox.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:35:59 -0700 > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Galaxy 200 - 45RPM Jukebox Ortofon dual needle cartridge > > Hello Folks, I am in need of an Ortofon dual needle cartridge for my Galaxy 200 - 45RPM Jukebox. I need a replacement because of one channel that plays the left side of the record does not work, also the resistance is double for the bad side. I am living on $1000.00 a month from social security disability so any used unit will do, even if it's ugly. I cannot afford much at all, so please be kind. I really play my Jukebox a lot, it is one of my few forms of enjoyment. I Thank You for your help and time in this matter. Pete . . God Bless . . . . . > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From stamann at jukebox-world.de Sun Dec 20 03:44:29 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Sun Dec 20 03:49:19 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] What exactly was Wurlitzer's Kit 87? Message-ID: With kit 87 the tone arm with the heavy magnetic catridge could be converted to a lighter crystal pick up - from model 1015 and backwards to Wurlitzer 24 (1938). The kit has the crystal pick up, a tone arm cable, the adaptor box and a schematic. The kit is dated 8/7/1947 and there were schematics for use with either amp 671 and 771 or in models 24, 500 and 600 and a schematic for the adaptor. Kind regards - Hildegard Stamann -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von James Alexander Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Dezember 2009 09:16 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] What exactly was Wurlitzer's Kit 87? Hello Annette, Ron: I have a lot of older printed US Wurlitzer service lit. available to me. Most of the Wurlitzer "kits" were covered in one or two page service bulletins,mailed out to Wurlitzer distributors and vending companies. These kit bulletins were tech descriptions and schematics covering juke accessories, parts add-ons, or new repair info for a particular product family of jukeboxes, where the printing deadline for the main service manual had passed. When AMR reprinted the original manuals, most of the tech bulletins were "lost in the wash" and never republished. Accessories are items like wallboxes, paging kits,extension speakers, etc. If you can give me more info about Kit 87, like which jukebox model it belongs with, I may be able to shed light on it. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=hIWUxeYKhFoqTLA625GwIgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 20 08:19:44 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 20 08:21:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism Guide In-Reply-To: <009001ca8108$d7573aa0$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: <472406.55060.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Joey, and all, I thought that was a "private message" --gotta remember to look at the "reply address"-- Yea just have a few left--and at this point in time I am not sure what's going to happen. Costs/and other factors are prohibitive at the moment, but it is being "worked on" as I write--Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism Guide To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 4:10 PM Ron, I just read a post and you mentioned that your " Seeburg Mechanism Guide "? is " soon to be out of print " .? Is there another book in the works? The person that posted questions about there newly aquired Seeburg DS 160 should not hesitate and buy Ron's book. PS BUY RON"S BOOK. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From g.hrmn at verizon.net Sun Dec 20 09:37:47 2009 From: g.hrmn at verizon.net (g.hrmn) Date: Sun Dec 20 10:41:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Amp Test Rig In-Reply-To: <200912091855.06381.g.hrmn@verizon.net> References: <200912060754.25253.g.hrmn@verizon.net> <4B1BE094.9040502@telus.net> <200912091855.06381.g.hrmn@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200912201237.47520.g.hrmn@verizon.net> Greetings John, Just saw the amp test rig pictures on your site flippers.com. Great! I'm working on my rig. Thanks for the photos and the info. Thanks again, g.hrmn On Wednesday 09 December 2009 06:55:06 pm g.hrmn wrote: > Thanks for the input. Already started construction. Do you know if the > audio input signal or voltage is the same or about the same for all amps? > Sure would like to see the photos of your setup. > Thanks again, > g.hrmn > > On Sunday 06 December 2009 11:49:24 am John Robertson wrote: > > g.hrmn wrote: > > > Greetings all, > > > Has anyone built a bench test rig that can be used on all seeburg and > > > perhaps rockola and ami amplifiers? If so, can you guide us in the > > > right direction? Thanks, > > > g.hrmn > > > > I used a single transformer that generates 6.3VAC @ 10A plus 33VAC, > > 24VAC and a few others - from an old SEGA arcade game (I have no spares > > of this transformer) - and then wired up a series of power connectors to > > match the various amps that wandered into our shop. A Cinch-Jones 4-pin > > plug to match Seeburgs, and so on. > > > > For the speaker setup I used a small speaker box that has a toggle > > switch (toggles between the speaker and the 8 ohm resistor - to mute the > > output or hear it), an 8 ohm speaker, an 8 ohm-50W load resistor, and a > > 5500 Ohm-50W resistor for the field load. Then I made up a Molex 5pin > > plug that I could plug onto my various jukebox speaker plugs on the amps > > under service. Each Molex plug would configure the various load > > resistors and the speaker to match the needs of the amp. > > > > I could take some pictures of the setup and post to flippers if there is > > much interest... > > > > John :-#)# > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 20 12:33:22 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Sun Dec 20 12:35:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 460 selection problem Message-ID: I'm not sure if this posted the first time around so i'm going to submit it again. The owner of this 460 had sprayed wd 40 all over the search unit and now it blows the 24VAC breaker. If I manually pull a pin, it goes and plays no problem. When using the pushbutton selector as soon as you press 3rd digit, search motor moves for a split second then kicks the breaker. Is it possible the wd 40 got into the search motor and has shorted it out? Following the sequence of operation via the manual, this appears to be the only part that does not work. There is a 680 ohm resistor on the motor but it tested good. If i disconnect the motor lead. the 3rd button stays latched and does not blow the breaker. I'm thinking the motor is no good???? Appreciate any thoughts on this one. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 20 12:38:34 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Sun Dec 20 12:40:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm Message-ID: I had to raise the tonearm to get the shroud back on. Now when I play a record the tonearm does not track. The tonearm seems sloppy on the post and it leans forward. Did something fall out when I raised it up like a bushing? I've looked inside the cabinet everywhere and can't find anything. Also I'm not sure what i'm looking for as I did not see it fall out / off. I looked in the manual and I don't see any part. It was playing fine before I took the shroud off. Help Help Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 20 12:44:20 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 20 12:46:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 460 selection problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <486847.67781.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, Is the resistor in series with the motor ? If so, disconnecting it also dis-connects the motor. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/20/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 460 selection problem To: "jukebox list" Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 12:33 PM I'm not sure if this posted the first time around so i'm going to submit it again.? The owner of this 460 had sprayed wd 40 all over the search unit and now it blows the 24VAC breaker.? If I manually pull a pin, it goes and plays no problem. When using the pushbutton selector as soon as you press 3rd digit, search motor moves for a split second then kicks the breaker. Is it possible the wd 40 got into the search motor and has shorted it out? Following the sequence of operation via the manual, this appears to be the only part that does not work. There is a 680 ohm resistor on the motor but it tested good. If i disconnect the motor lead. the 3rd button stays latched and does not blow the breaker. I'm thinking the motor is no good???? Appreciate any thoughts on this one. Thanks! Rick ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 20 12:46:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 20 12:48:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <375999.77309.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, There WAS a spring---I'll bet it has now "sprung" away---(should be shown in he parts list ?) Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/20/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm To: "jukebox list" Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 12:38 PM I had to raise the tonearm to get the shroud back on. Now when I play a record the tonearm does not track. The tonearm seems sloppy on the post and it leans forward. Did something fall out when I raised it up like a bushing? I've looked inside the cabinet everywhere and can't find anything. Also I'm not sure what i'm looking for as I did not see it fall out / off. I looked in the manual and I don't see any part. It was playing fine before I took the shroud off. Help Help Rick ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From kenandlaura at amtelecom.net Sun Dec 20 12:47:31 2009 From: kenandlaura at amtelecom.net (Ken and Laura) Date: Sun Dec 20 13:18:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1972 Wurlitzer 3600 Superstar Juke Slow Turntable Message-ID: <6E8A1429BC2E43E58A0FBD580BD0D65F@LAURAS> Hi There, Just inherited a Juke from my late mother and it had to be shipped to my location. We are finding that the center piece where 45's are held in place on the turntable is having trouble staying up, (pops down and the 45 wobbles) and also that it is playing them slower than they should be. Anyone have any thoughts on that?? Any help is greatly appreciated! Laura -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.115/2577 - Release Date: 12/20/09 02:35:00 From kenandlaura at amtelecom.net Sun Dec 20 12:34:04 2009 From: kenandlaura at amtelecom.net (Ken and Laura) Date: Sun Dec 20 13:38:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] mailing list Message-ID: <5B8C5307E43D41718237FFD4386B2377@LAURAS> greetings, I wanted to post a question on your site but got a msg advising I would be put on a mailing list...? I don't really want to be on a mailing list unless it is product specific information. I am not really sure what this list would be used for. Can you please advise? Thank you! -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.115/2577 - Release Date: 12/20/09 02:35:00 From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sun Dec 20 13:48:38 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sun Dec 20 13:50:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm References: Message-ID: Hi Rick, As well as the spring that Ron mentioned, there should be a brass bush that sits on top of the tone arm support. If this has fallen off then the tonarm will be sloppy and not at the correct height. What you are looking for is about 1/2" long and 1/4" diameter, it has a hole drilled in one end. Hope this helps! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 8:38 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm I had to raise the tonearm to get the shroud back on. Now when I play a record the tonearm does not track. The tonearm seems sloppy on the post and it leans forward. Did something fall out when I raised it up like a bushing? I've looked inside the cabinet everywhere and can't find anything. Also I'm not sure what i'm looking for as I did not see it fall out / off. I looked in the manual and I don't see any part. It was playing fine before I took the shroud off. Help Help Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release Date: 12/19/09 08:33:00 From pinball at telus.net Sun Dec 20 13:50:11 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Dec 20 13:51:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Amp Test Rig In-Reply-To: <200912201237.47520.g.hrmn@verizon.net> References: <200912060754.25253.g.hrmn@verizon.net> <4B1BE094.9040502@telus.net> <200912091855.06381.g.hrmn@verizon.net> <200912201237.47520.g.hrmn@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4B2E9C13.5060401@telus.net> g.hrmn wrote: > Greetings John, > Just saw the amp test rig pictures on your site flippers.com. Great! I'm > working on my rig. Thanks for the photos and the info. > Thanks again, > g.hrmn > > On Wednesday 09 December 2009 06:55:06 pm g.hrmn wrote: > >> Thanks for the input. Already started construction. Do you know if the >> audio input signal or voltage is the same or about the same for all amps? >> Sure would like to see the photos of your setup. >> Thanks again, >> g.hrmn >> >> On Sunday 06 December 2009 11:49:24 am John Robertson wrote: >> >>> g.hrmn wrote: >>> >>>> Greetings all, >>>> Has anyone built a bench test rig that can be used on all seeburg and >>>> perhaps rockola and ami amplifiers? If so, can you guide us in the >>>> right direction? Thanks, >>>> g.hrmn >>>> >>> I used a single transformer that generates 6.3VAC @ 10A plus 33VAC, >>> 24VAC and a few others - from an old SEGA arcade game (I have no spares >>> of this transformer) - and then wired up a series of power connectors to >>> match the various amps that wandered into our shop. A Cinch-Jones 4-pin >>> plug to match Seeburgs, and so on. >>> >>> For the speaker setup I used a small speaker box that has a toggle >>> switch (toggles between the speaker and the 8 ohm resistor - to mute the >>> output or hear it), an 8 ohm speaker, an 8 ohm-50W load resistor, and a >>> 5500 Ohm-50W resistor for the field load. Then I made up a Molex 5pin >>> plug that I could plug onto my various jukebox speaker plugs on the amps >>> under service. Each Molex plug would configure the various load >>> resistors and the speaker to match the needs of the amp. >>> >>> I could take some pictures of the setup and post to flippers if there is >>> much interest... >>> >>> John :-#)# >>> I have posted the pictures of my test jukebox speaker box, and test transformer to my general Jukebox support page: http://www.flippers.com/jukebox_service.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinball at telus.net Sun Dec 20 13:52:37 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Dec 20 13:54:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What exactly was Wurlitzer's Kit 87? In-Reply-To: <4B2D6B81.8070005@telus.net> References: <4B2D6B81.8070005@telus.net> Message-ID: <4B2E9CA5.7020703@telus.net> John Robertson wrote: > Anette Kr?mer wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have found your advertising/message by google for o.m. subject. I know >> thats 5 years ago :-) but maybe you do still have one or two Kit 87 >> for a >> Wurlitzer Jukebox? >> >> Thanks and kind regards, >> Anette >> > Kit 87 is the pre-amp for the Cobra Cartridge conversion for older 24 > selection jukeboxes (1015 and older). > > I may still have one here... > > John :-#)# > Actually it turns out I was wrong, kit 87 (as posted elsewhere) is the ceramic upgrade kit for 1015s and earlier machines to reduce tracking weight. I do have the Cobra upgrade amp which plugs into the base of one of the tubes, but do not know which Wurlitzer kit it is from - I do NOT have a Cobra tone arm though! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinball at telus.net Sun Dec 20 13:54:35 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Dec 20 13:56:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Galaxy 200 - 45RPM Jukebox Ortofon dual needle cart ridge In-Reply-To: <546001.63187.qm@web96002.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <546001.63187.qm@web96002.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B2E9D1B.7030307@telus.net> John Wilson wrote: > Re:Ortofon Cartridge/Tone arm,Contact me off list, I have a complete mech out of a city2 ... can pirate the tone arm if its compatible...Cheers John, Metro Cinema Dunedin NewZealand > > --- On Sun, 20/12/09, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Galaxy 200 - 45RPM Jukebox Ortofon dual needle cart ridge > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sunday, 20 December, 2009, 4:39 PM > > > > Hello Pete: > > I am assuming that you are located in the US. NSM jukebox parts for the 80's era vinyl players are difficult to find here as NSM closed off parts and service here in the early 90's. The Ortofon cartridge used was unique and nothing else will replace it. I don't have any NSM parts to sell, but: > > A place that might be able to help you is John Durfee's Durfee Coin Op in Orange MA. In the last few months he's taken in a number of old NSM jukes to be used for parts. I don't know what the asking price is for an Ortofon cartridge. web: www.jukeboxparts.com PH 978 544 3800 > > Here's a last ditch service effort that may revive your old cartridge,given your financial limitations. The stereo magnetic cartrige consists of two windings of very light guage wire. The stylus provides the moving magnet to operate the device. Magnetic cartridges typically don't fail, unless one of the coils made of fine guage wire develops a hairline fracture or a bad solder joint, etc. l This may sound a little outrageous, but it works. Using a 1.5 volt C or D battery with test leads, apply the battery voltage for a short time (a few seconds)to the high resistance channel. You can't open up the cartridge body without damaging it. Sometimes the shock excitation will remake the bad connection. Should be disconnected from amp input when yiu do this. On the other hand, this can also burn the coil open. > > Jim Alexander > John Durfee does show Ortophone needles in stock: http://www.needles4jukeboxes.com/NSM_needles.htm John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sun Dec 20 13:57:39 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sun Dec 20 13:59:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1972 Wurlitzer 3600 Superstar Juke Slow Turntable References: <6E8A1429BC2E43E58A0FBD580BD0D65F@LAURAS> Message-ID: <0903E32BBF264D38A916FBC3740967F6@JUKEBUS> Hi Laura, Welcome to the list (don't be afraid to join, we are a friendly bunch - mostly !!). Are you trying to play large or small hole records? If the turntable has the pop up (or down) large centre then the chances are it is set up to play small hole records at 33 RPM and large holes at 45 RPM. This would also explain your speed issue. If it's large hole records that are activating the sensor and playing at 33 RPM then it's likely that the record is not being positioned over the centre of the turntable correctly. I'm not familiar with that particular model, but usually there is some adjustment on turntable position. Perhaps someone else who knows the W3600 will comment... Best Regards, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken and Laura" To: Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 8:47 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1972 Wurlitzer 3600 Superstar Juke Slow Turntable Hi There, Just inherited a Juke from my late mother and it had to be shipped to my location. We are finding that the center piece where 45's are held in place on the turntable is having trouble staying up, (pops down and the 45 wobbles) and also that it is playing them slower than they should be. Anyone have any thoughts on that?? Any help is greatly appreciated! Laura -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release Date: 12/19/09 08:33:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Dec 20 14:38:06 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Dec 20 14:39:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] mailing list In-Reply-To: <5B8C5307E43D41718237FFD4386B2377@LAURAS> Message-ID: <316833.7582.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Ken and Laura wrote: > I wanted to post a question on your site but got a msg > advising I would be put on a mailing > list...? I don't really want to be on a > mailing list unless it is product specific > information. I am not really sure what this list would > be used for. Can you please advise? Thank you! A mailing list is an application that runs on a computer. When members of the list submit a message via email to the application, it in turn sends that submission out to all the subscribers of the list. This technology has been around since the 1970s if not earlier. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 20 16:58:55 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 20 17:00:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm In-Reply-To: <375999.77309.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <909921.47249.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, BTW, that spring looks like a large 1/2 of a "Safety Pin". Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 12:46 PM Rick, There WAS a spring---I'll bet it has now "sprung" away---(should be shown in he parts list ?) Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/20/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm To: "jukebox list" Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 12:38 PM I had to raise the tonearm to get the shroud back on. Now when I play a record the tonearm does not track. The tonearm seems sloppy on the post and it leans forward. Did something fall out when I raised it up like a bushing? I've looked inside the cabinet everywhere and can't find anything. Also I'm not sure what i'm looking for as I did not see it fall out / off. I looked in the manual and I don't see any part. It was playing fine before I took the shroud off. Help Help Rick ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jay at west.net Sun Dec 20 20:57:42 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Dec 20 20:59:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1972 Wurlitzer 3600 Superstar Juke Slow Turntable In-Reply-To: <6E8A1429BC2E43E58A0FBD580BD0D65F@LAURAS> References: <6E8A1429BC2E43E58A0FBD580BD0D65F@LAURAS> Message-ID: <4B2F0046.2080400@west.net> Ken and Laura wrote: > Hi There, > > Just inherited a Juke from my late mother and it had to be shipped to my location. We are finding that the center piece where 45's are held in place on the turntable is having trouble staying up, (pops down and the 45 wobbles) and also that it is playing them slower than they should be. Anyone have any thoughts on that?? Any help is greatly appreciated! Detailed explation and educated guess follow: Hello! Your jukebox is capable of playing two types of records. Regular 45-RPM records with a large center hole as well as a special record made for jukeboxes. The special records play at 33 1/3 RPM, but are the same size as a 45-RPM single. The jukebox detects the type of record by sensing the size of the hole. If the record has a small hole, it plays at 33 1/3 RPM. If a large hole, it plays at 45. The center spindle has a mechanism that is pushed down by a small-hole record. What I suspect is happening in your case is that the gripper bow that places the records on the turntable isn't aligned with the center of the turntable. When a regular 45 is placed on the turntable, the hole is off-center and hits the center spindle, pushing it down. This causes the 45 to wobble and also makes the jukebox play at the slower speed. The adjustment should be covered in the service manual, and getting the manual would be a wise investment if you don't have one. Try loading a record and either turn off power just before it sets down, or see if the scan-load switch will interrupt the set-down process. This will allow you to see if my suspicion is correct and the center hole is hitting the spindle. Look for oblong holes or some other means of shifting the turntable position so that the record lands centered on the spindle. This should fix it. Something likely got jarred out of place during shipping. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From russodue at earthlink.net Sat Dec 19 10:12:17 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (Russo) Date: Sun Dec 20 21:16:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting Message-ID: <10113504.1261246337918.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I think it is a server / PHP problem. Making it a "list" problem. I don't know the specifics of how the "list" is being managed, but I'd guess it is the server it is being hosted from and the PHP code that it uses to process / authenticate the incoming posts. Tony -----Original Message----- >From: Ron Rich >Sent: Dec 18, 2009 10:28 AM >To: Jukebox mailing list >Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] non-posting > >I don't know if this is necessarily a "list" problem, or an Internet problem in general. "People" have told me that they "wrote" me--but I have never seen it--It happens from my wife's computer, once in awhile, who sits 5 feet away !? Ron Rich > >--- On Thu, 12/17/09, tony russo wrote: > >From: tony russo >Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] non-posting >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 4:33 PM > > >Yes, a VERY common problem. > > > >> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:57:16 -0800 >> From: wbabbott@yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] non-posting >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> >> Yes, it is a common problem! I could not get my posts through from my Verizon.net webmail. I could receive all the posts, just couldn't make any reply posts or new posts. I've had other issues with Verizon.net mail and don't like it so I've switched over to Yahoo webmail!? ? >> Britt >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "Dicecco, Michael" >> To: Jukebox mailing list >> Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 12:58:08 PM >> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] non-posting >> >> You're getting through now!!!! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of edward >> graves >> Sent: 2009, December, 17 3:57 PM >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] non-posting >> >> I wonder why my submissions do not get posted ? Is this a common problem >> ? Is posting restricted to some people ? Edward Graves >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive >> any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information >> it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. >> If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. >> >> Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements prot?g?s et confidentiels. >> Lexp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui sy rapportent. >> Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements quil contient >> par une personne autre que le destinataire d?sign? est interdite. >> Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez men aviser imm?diatement, >> par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sun Dec 20 22:14:46 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sun Dec 20 22:16:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm References: <909921.47249.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: G'day Rick, If the brass bush has fell out as often they do, it some times fall down a well in the chassis at the back of the gripper bow. When you find it make sure the ball bearing is still in side it. The spring is called Tone Arm Bias. part number F 8942 page RCS-19 bearing F 8935 page RPC 5 Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm Rick, BTW, that spring looks like a large 1/2 of a "Safety Pin". Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 12:46 PM Rick, There WAS a spring---I'll bet it has now "sprung" away---(should be shown in he parts list ?) Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/20/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm To: "jukebox list" Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 12:38 PM I had to raise the tonearm to get the shroud back on. Now when I play a record the tonearm does not track. The tonearm seems sloppy on the post and it leans forward. Did something fall out when I raised it up like a bushing? I've looked inside the cabinet everywhere and can't find anything. Also I'm not sure what i'm looking for as I did not see it fall out / off. I looked in the manual and I don't see any part. It was playing fine before I took the shroud off. Help Help Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From thierry.streng at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 23:40:22 2009 From: thierry.streng at gmail.com (Thierry Streng) Date: Sun Dec 20 23:48:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C: howling amplifier Message-ID: <476ffc630912202340y39e49b08udc3ce171db7f5213@mail.gmail.com> Hello group, I recently restored a Seeburg C and also recapped the amp and put tubes on it that tested good on my Hockock tube tester. Settings made on the amp are: AVC:off; Speakers:16W While playing a record, it starts normal but immediately begins to increase in volume until the music turns simply into a howling sound. When i unplug the muting plug which goes to the mechanism mute contacts, the music plays normal, with a clear sound but a low volume. Removing the 2 AVC tubes as well as the muting plug gives me better volume (but still not the volume that is normal for a jukebox) and no howling. Replugging the muting plug in this configuration (AVC tubes removed) brings immediately back the howling, squealing sound... All ideas on how to solve my problem will be highly appreciated ;-) Best greetings, Thierry From stamann at jukebox-world.de Mon Dec 21 00:32:23 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Mon Dec 21 00:38:25 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] What exactly was Wurlitzer's Kit 87? Message-ID: The conversion to Cobra tone arm was kit 102 and was also available for 1080. Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von John Robertson Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Dezember 2009 23:01 An: pinball@telus.net; Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] What exactly was Wurlitzer's Kit 87? John Robertson wrote: > Anette Kr?mer wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have found your advertising/message by google for o.m. subject. I know >> thats 5 years ago :-) but maybe you do still have one or two Kit 87 >> for a >> Wurlitzer Jukebox? >> >> Thanks and kind regards, >> Anette >> > Kit 87 is the pre-amp for the Cobra Cartridge conversion for older 24 > selection jukeboxes (1015 and older). > > I may still have one here... > > John :-#)# > Actually it turns out I was wrong, kit 87 (as posted elsewhere) is the ceramic upgrade kit for 1015s and earlier machines to reduce tracking weight. I do have the Cobra upgrade amp which plugs into the base of one of the tubes, but do not know which Wurlitzer kit it is from - I do NOT have a Cobra tone arm though! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Dec 21 00:51:32 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (pughn@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Mon Dec 21 00:53:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1972 Wurlitzer 3600 Superstar Juke Slow Turntable In-Reply-To: <4B2F0046.2080400@west.net> References: <6E8A1429BC2E43E58A0FBD580BD0D65F@LAURAS> <4B2F0046.2080400@west.net> Message-ID: <2f789abfbd63bbc3da21785dbd272b0c.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Hi, Its been a while since I worked on an American flat play Wurlitzer, so someone correct me if I?m wrong ? on the German equivalent of that mechanism, the turntable assembly actually moves in order to take the record out of the claws of the gripper arm. This movement is caused by a bar attached to the gripper drive cam mechanism. What may be happening is exactly what Jay / Adrian suggested, but it may be due to the turntable not moving back when it should and hence the record centre hitting part of the small spindle. I suspect its more this than the gripper alignment. Could be caused by poor lubrication. I even think there is a spring attached to the turntable plate (visible from the top) that pulls the turntable back after the record is picked back up. Maybe this is missing. If the American mech is the same in this area, that could well be the problem. Nigel UK > Ken and Laura wrote: >> Hi There, >> >> Just inherited a Juke from my late mother and it had to be shipped to my >> location. We are finding that the center piece where 45's are held in >> place on the turntable is having trouble staying up, (pops down and the >> 45 wobbles) and also that it is playing them slower than they should be. >> Anyone have any thoughts on that?? Any help is greatly appreciated! > > Detailed explation and educated guess follow: > > Hello! Your jukebox is capable of playing two types of records. > Regular 45-RPM records with a large center hole as well as a special > record made for jukeboxes. > > The special records play at 33 1/3 RPM, but are the same size as a > 45-RPM single. > > The jukebox detects the type of record by sensing the size of the hole. > If the record has a small hole, it plays at 33 1/3 RPM. If a large > hole, it plays at 45. The center spindle has a mechanism that is pushed > down by a small-hole record. > > What I suspect is happening in your case is that the gripper bow that > places the records on the turntable isn't aligned with the center of the > turntable. When a regular 45 is placed on the turntable, the hole is > off-center and hits the center spindle, pushing it down. This causes > the 45 to wobble and also makes the jukebox play at the slower speed. > > The adjustment should be covered in the service manual, and getting the > manual would be a wise investment if you don't have one. > > Try loading a record and either turn off power just before it sets down, > or see if the scan-load switch will interrupt the set-down process. > This will allow you to see if my suspicion is correct and the center > hole is hitting the spindle. > > Look for oblong holes or some other means of shifting the turntable > position so that the record lands centered on the spindle. This should > fix it. Something likely got jarred out of place during shipping. > > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ron at rondavismarine.co.uk Mon Dec 21 01:22:42 2009 From: ron at rondavismarine.co.uk (Ron Davis) Date: Mon Dec 21 01:25:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems In-Reply-To: <20091218200004.7F247AAF46@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20091218200004.7F247AAF46@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <5E37D2FA0B444A9DAF7FE31BBC182918@RonDavisPC> Hi and thanks to all for suggestions to date. I am at present still away and will be for the next week or so, but you have all got me thinking. I'm sure it will help clarify my mind, and hopefully yours if I go through a few points that have been raised over my request for advice. Yes it has a selenium rectifier, and no, I have not yet done a voltage test, but no problem and will be the first thing to check upon my return. I should have in stock a bridge rectifier that should do the job if needed or I have diodes and can make one. Yes I have over the years had quite serious switching contact problems, but I had hoped I had got over them. The latest of these problems were selection switches their selves and after I had got fed up of trying to super glue the selectors buttons back together as they were systematically falling apart, I purchased replacements and while replacing them took the opportunity to strip the contacts, chemically clean, reface switch surfaces with very fine wet & dry with a little spittle, clean again and inhibited. Other than the K selection that sometimes needs an extra little push. All this proved successful. Yes, as I think I said previously, rotates without problem on "Scan" Yes the bulb does just flash as described but the hammers do not operate. I also have a gut feeling that at least one of the relays are failing either due to poor contacts, weak windings or as suggested by yourselves, selenium rectifier. Anybody know the correct resistance readings for the relays? Or as not being there to be able to check, can I swop over two to check that way? Thanks to all. Ron Davis From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 21 05:00:19 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Mon Dec 21 05:02:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg WSR Selection Receivers Message-ID: <634329.3024.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I have been cleaning up the old Seeburg Hideaway and changing capacitors. The 5 MFD 300 Volt square can capacitor presented itself. I have never had it happen but that could destroy, the hard to get, power transformer. I wonder how many have this era Seeburg with that old, original capacitor still in the circuit? It was a strong reminder to me that I have several Seeburgs that do not use wallboxes and I have foolishly not done anything with that capacitor. Should I cut it out of the circuit and tie the wires together or just cut it out of the circuit for machines not using a wallbox? One of the parts suppliers suggest soldering the wires together once it is out of the circuit. I will replace that capacitor on any Seeburg of that era using a wallbox. TIA for the help! David (Geritol Ghetto) From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Dec 21 06:09:11 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Mon Dec 21 06:10:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What exactly was Wurlitzer's Kit 87? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think I posted a request about Kit 87 a few years back because I had a bunch of them in my shop. Was someone looking for one? If so, I have one left that was almost rebuilt. Just saw that it needs a cap added that I must not have had in stock at the time I started to rebuild it back in 2004. Contact me off list if anyone needs the kit. Aaron On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Stamann wrote: > The conversion to Cobra tone arm was kit 102 and was also available for > 1080. > > Kind regards - Hildegard > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto: > jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von John Robertson > Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Dezember 2009 23:01 > An: pinball@telus.net; Jukebox mailing list > Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] What exactly was Wurlitzer's Kit 87? > > John Robertson wrote: > > Anette Kr?mer wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I have found your advertising/message by google for o.m. subject. I know > >> thats 5 years ago :-) but maybe you do still have one or two Kit 87 > >> for a > >> Wurlitzer Jukebox? > >> > >> Thanks and kind regards, > >> Anette > >> > > Kit 87 is the pre-amp for the Cobra Cartridge conversion for older 24 > > selection jukeboxes (1015 and older). > > > > I may still have one here... > > > > John :-#)# > > > Actually it turns out I was wrong, kit 87 (as posted elsewhere) is the > ceramic upgrade kit for 1015s and earlier machines to reduce tracking > weight. > > I do have the Cobra upgrade amp which plugs into the base of one of the > tubes, but do not know which Wurlitzer kit it is from - I do NOT have a > Cobra tone arm though! > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 21 08:42:02 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 21 08:43:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg WSR Selection Receivers In-Reply-To: <634329.3024.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <936818.35769.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, In all of the years of a-workin' on 'em, I have seen only one of those "square" caps "blow". It happened, right here, in front of me, on the WSR that I use around here for "testing".? For some unknown reason, I was operating the mech only with the WSR, and Mech, sitting flat on the floor when I heard it start to "fizzle". I was not sure what I was hearing at first and did not make any attempt at cutting off power, until I had determined where the sound was from. Short story: Damage was limited to the floor (a BIG "mess"--similar to a can of "foam" insulation being "blown" inside the WSR) and the cap itself. It did not even blow a fuse in the WSR, nor the "power supply" it was connected to.? I do replace it on units that are going to operate with a WOM, however I have never "cut the wires" on any other ones? I usually check that cap when I replace it, just for the "heck" of it. MOST still check at 5+ uf. Many check higher (?), at about 7uf., and I have seen them check as high as 9.5uf--- I have never? found a "shorted" one, nor an "open" one---not yet, anyway. So--I really have no advice on his subject---Other than "it's better to be safe then sorry". Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/21/09, david wendell wrote: From: david wendell Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg WSR Selection Receivers To: "jukebox list" Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 5:00 AM Hi All, I have been cleaning up the old Seeburg Hideaway and changing capacitors.? The 5 MFD 300 Volt square can capacitor presented itself.? I have never had it happen but that could destroy, the hard to get, power transformer.? I wonder how many have this era Seeburg with that old, original capacitor still in the circuit?? It was a strong reminder to me that I have several Seeburgs that do not use wallboxes and I have foolishly not done anything with that capacitor.? Should I cut it out of the circuit and tie the wires together or just cut it out of the circuit for machines not using a wallbox?? One of the parts suppliers suggest soldering the wires together once it is out of the circuit.? I will replace that capacitor on any Seeburg of that era using a wallbox. TIA for the help! David (Geritol Ghetto) ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From g.hrmn at verizon.net Mon Dec 21 08:32:36 2009 From: g.hrmn at verizon.net (g.hrmn) Date: Mon Dec 21 09:36:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism Guide In-Reply-To: <009001ca8108$d7573aa0$48944e18@compaq> References: <009001ca8108$d7573aa0$48944e18@compaq> Message-ID: <200912211132.36756.g.hrmn@verizon.net> I'm trying to reach Tony Millers site on pacbell. Anyone know if they are still selling the books? Thanks On Saturday 19 December 2009 07:10:30 pm Joey McDonald wrote: > Ron, > > I just read a post and you mentioned that your " Seeburg Mechanism Guide " > is " soon to be out of print " . Is there another book in the works? > > The person that posted questions about there newly aquired Seeburg DS 160 > should not hesitate and buy Ron's book. > > PS BUY RON"S BOOK. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 21 09:45:43 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 21 09:47:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism Guide In-Reply-To: <200912211132.36756.g.hrmn@verizon.net> Message-ID: <607468.80249.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have not been able to contact Tony's wife for the last 3 months either--I HOPE she, and his boy's are "all-right" and just overwhelmed with his death, at the moment. If anyone's been in touch with them, please let me know at ronnnrich@yahoo.com . As far as his books--www.alwaysjukin.com still has some in stock. Thanks, Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/21/09, g.hymn wrote: From: g.hrmn Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Mechanism Guide To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 8:32 AM I'm trying to reach Tony Millers site on pacbell. Anyone know if they are still selling the books? Thanks On Saturday 19 December 2009 07:10:30 pm Joey McDonald wrote: > Ron, > > I just read a post and you mentioned that your " Seeburg Mechanism Guide " > is " soon to be out of print " .? Is there another book in the works? > > The person that posted questions about there newly aquired Seeburg DS 160 > should not hesitate and buy Ron's book. > > PS BUY RON"S BOOK. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 21 10:38:30 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 21 10:40:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Contact point care-was-Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems In-Reply-To: <5E37D2FA0B444A9DAF7FE31BBC182918@RonDavisPC> Message-ID: <51146.14284.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, I think that you may have "dirty contacts" on one or more of the "open blade" relays. I would suggest you do the following: Obtain a "plastic safe" solvent type "non residual", can of contact cleaner. Spray all open blade points with this, and wipe with a bit of "thick" paper--an old "title strip" works well. After doing so, examine all contact point surfaces for "pits", and or, "burrs".? If any are found, they must be removed !? A "Burnishing tool" is a must. If too badly pitted they may be "filed", but, only if there is enough silver left--then "burnished" with the tool. If the silver is gone, the contact must be replaced. If, at this point, you have the factory "contact adjustment specs." follow them -- If not, the general rule is that the contacts should "make" and "follow through" about .015 in. "Adjust" the blades by bending them in an arch--do not "crimp/crease" the blades on either end. As for the relays--I think RO used Guardian (brand) relays in that model. If so, some will have the resistance noted on them. Be extreemly careful here as those relays do NOT like any heat at the connection points--and you do need to dis-connect them to test them. I would "observe" them to see if they energize. If so, I would assume them to be OK. If not, I would look for the voltage being applied--Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Ron Davis wrote: From: Ron Davis Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:Rock-Ola Princes Delux 435 Selection Problems Thanks to all. ----------------------- Ron Davis? ??? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 21 10:42:06 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 21 10:43:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C: howling amplifier In-Reply-To: <476ffc630912202340y39e49b08udc3ce171db7f5213@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <837974.60287.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thierry, Check for an "open" or "poor" ground at the input RCA plug/jack, or wire to the tonearm. Or an "interconnected" ground on the tone arm wire. Also check that the ground on the main mechanism cable is good to the WSR--- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Thierry Streng wrote: From: Thierry Streng Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C: howling amplifier To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 11:40 PM Hello group, I recently restored a Seeburg C and also recapped the amp and put tubes on it that tested good on my Hockock tube tester. Settings made on the amp are: AVC:off; Speakers:16W While playing a record, it starts normal but immediately begins to increase in volume until the music turns simply into a howling sound. When i unplug the muting plug which goes to the mechanism mute contacts, the music plays normal, with a clear sound but a low volume. Removing the 2 AVC tubes as well as the muting plug gives me better volume (but still not the volume that is normal for a jukebox) and no howling. Replugging the muting plug in this configuration (AVC tubes removed) brings immediately back the howling, squealing sound... All ideas on how to solve my problem will be highly appreciated ;-) Best greetings, Thierry _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 21 11:01:43 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 21 11:03:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1972 Wurlitzer 3600 Superstar Juke Slow Turntable In-Reply-To: <4B2F0046.2080400@west.net> Message-ID: <145960.27067.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To expand on Jay's comment-- The "horizontal play" US made Wurlies, move the turn table assembly to align with the "gripper' arm (and also to apply idler wheel pressure to the turntable).? This (adjustable-see service manual) process is "cam controlled" ("forced") in the direction that applies pressure to start the TT running at the beginning of a record, and is "pulled back" by a spring in the other direction at record's end. What usually causes problems is "dirt" has built up under the TT., stopping it from "returning" fully at records end. The "cure" is removal of the total TT assembly, cleaning of the pivot point and wheels, and lubrication of the whole assembly. What I find often at this point is that the motor mounts also have failed. NOTE: These mounts are NOT interchangeable with the earlier type--they are "special"--softer, mounts, and the ONLY place I know to purchase them is Stammen in Germany. (stamann@jukebox-world.de). Drop them a note, and I'm sure they will be more then happy to get you a set out--? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1972 Wurlitzer 3600 Superstar Juke Slow Turntable To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 8:57 PM Ken and Laura wrote: > Hi There, > > Just inherited a Juke from my late mother and it had to be shipped to my location.? We are finding that the center piece where 45's are held in place on the turntable is having trouble staying up, (pops down and the 45 wobbles) and also that it is playing them slower than they should be.???Anyone have any thoughts on that??? Any help is greatly appreciated! Detailed explation and educated guess follow: Hello!? Your jukebox is capable of playing two types of records. Regular 45-RPM records with a large center hole as well as a special record made for jukeboxes. The special records play at 33 1/3 RPM, but are the same size as a 45-RPM single. The jukebox detects the type of record by sensing the size of the hole.? If the record has a small hole, it plays at 33 1/3 RPM.? If a large hole, it plays at 45.? The center spindle has a mechanism that is pushed down by a small-hole record. What I suspect is happening in your case is that the gripper bow that places the records on the turntable isn't aligned with the center of the turntable.? When a regular 45 is placed on the turntable, the hole is off-center and hits the center spindle, pushing it down.? This causes the 45 to wobble and also makes the jukebox play at the slower speed. The adjustment should be covered in the service manual, and getting the manual would be a wise investment if you don't have one. Try loading a record and either turn off power just before it sets down, or see if the scan-load switch will interrupt the set-down process. This will allow you to see if my suspicion is correct and the center hole is hitting the spindle. Look for oblong holes or some other means of shifting the turntable position so that the record lands centered on the spindle.? This should fix it.? Something likely got jarred out of place during shipping. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 21 12:32:27 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Mon Dec 21 12:34:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg WSR Selection Receivers In-Reply-To: <936818.35769.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <756640.39350.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, Thanks Much! I feel a lot less guilty for never having thought of that capacitor. I shall replace it on the WSR with a wallbox. I will get it out of the circuit on the others but not in a panic mode. My experience is very limited but I have had some of these old Seeburgs many years and just never gave it a thought. Time for a shot of Geritol, I think I have tired blood! Merry Christmas to all! David (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Ron Rich wrote: > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg WSR Selection Receivers > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 9:42 AM > David, > In all of the years of a-workin' on 'em, I have seen only > one of those "square" caps "blow". It happened, right here, > in front of me, on the WSR that I use around here for > "testing".? For some unknown reason, I was operating the > mech only with the WSR, and Mech, sitting flat on the floor > when I heard it start to "fizzle". I was not sure what I was > hearing at first and did not make any attempt at cutting off > power, until I had determined where the sound was from. > Short story: Damage was limited to the floor (a BIG > "mess"--similar to a can of "foam" insulation being "blown" > inside the WSR) and the cap itself. It did not even blow a > fuse in the WSR, nor the "power supply" it was connected > to.? I do replace it on units that are going to operate > with a WOM, however I have never "cut the wires" on any > other ones? > I usually check that cap when I replace it, just for the > "heck" of it. MOST still check at 5+ uf. Many check higher > (?), at about 7uf., and I have seen them check as high as > 9.5uf--- > I have never? found a "shorted" one, nor an "open" > one---not yet, anyway. > So--I really have no advice on his subject---Other than > "it's better to be safe then sorry". Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 12/21/09, david wendell > wrote: > > From: david wendell > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg WSR Selection Receivers > To: "jukebox list" > Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 5:00 AM > > Hi All, > > I have been cleaning up the old Seeburg Hideaway and > changing capacitors.? The 5 MFD 300 Volt square can > capacitor presented itself.? I have never had it happen but > that could destroy, the hard to get, power transformer.? I > wonder how many have this era Seeburg with that old, > original capacitor still in the circuit?? It was a strong > reminder to me that I have several Seeburgs that do not use > wallboxes and I have foolishly not done anything with that > capacitor.? > > Should I cut it out of the circuit and tie the wires > together or just cut it out of the circuit for machines not > using a wallbox?? One of the parts suppliers suggest > soldering the wires together once it is out of the > circuit.? > > I will replace that capacitor on any Seeburg of that era > using a wallbox. > > TIA for the help! > > David (Geritol Ghetto) > > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From berrycbell at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 06:56:41 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Tue Dec 22 06:58:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As Graeme said, in addition to the bushing there is a ball bearing about the size of a bb, maybe a little bigger that probably fell out, it sits on top of the bushing. Often, you'll get lucky and it will be sitting near the tone arm assembly. The tonearm will NOT track properly without it. Good luck, Berry On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:38 PM, rick murray wrote: > > I had to raise the tonearm to get the shroud back on. Now when I play a > record the tonearm does not track. The tonearm seems sloppy on the post and > it leans forward. Did something fall out when I raised it up like a bushing? > I've looked inside the cabinet everywhere and can't find anything. Also I'm > not sure what i'm looking for as I did not see it fall out / off. I looked > in the manual and I don't see any part. It was playing fine before I took > the shroud off. > > Help Help > > Rick > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-listmailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 22 08:41:04 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 22 08:42:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg howling amp - jukebox-list In-Reply-To: <476ffc630912212300l76ffffddv7af61484df1f4487@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <825964.36974.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thierry, I hate when things just "solder themselves to the wrong places"--should be against the law !! Glad you found it. I don't know how your mail service works--I just hit "reply" and it goes to the list--I will fwd this to the list---Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Thierry Streng wrote: From: Thierry Streng Subject: Seeburg howling amp - jukebox-list To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 11:00 PM Hello Ron, Thanks for your answer. I checked everything? you mentionned and it checked out ok. I went through the schematics again and again and looked at some pics of other MRA3-L6's and saw that the standee resistors were missing in mine and that instead on one of the 6L6's was mounted a resistor underneath the chassis, but was soldered to the wrong places. Soldering in a new 1,2 k and a 185R resistor at the right places made my amp work like new :-) Only problem i have now: how can i reply to your message in the jukebox-list? Only thing i found out was how i could reply to you? imeediately... Best regards, Thierry From gibson510 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 22 10:15:25 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Tue Dec 22 10:18:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm Message-ID: Thanks to all who came to my aide especially, Graeme Harvey, whose accurate description helped identify the missing piece. I decided to straighten up my shop a little in case we have visitors over the holiday, I moved a machine away from the wall to sweep and there was this brass looking thing. I immediately stopped the cleaning, lifted the dome on the Continental and Voila' it fit the tonearm post like a glove. Tracks fine now. Thanks again to all who helped. See you still can learn something new everyday. Happy Holidays to all..... Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Tue Dec 22 10:57:06 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Tue Dec 22 10:58:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm References: Message-ID: <67B8C5C471A447019ED44AC4358304C7@Graeme> Glad to have helped. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:15 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Continental II Tonearm Thanks to all who came to my aide especially, Graeme Harvey, whose accurate description helped identify the missing piece. I decided to straighten up my shop a little in case we have visitors over the holiday, I moved a machine away from the wall to sweep and there was this brass looking thing. I immediately stopped the cleaning, lifted the dome on the Continental and Voila' it fit the tonearm post like a glove. Tracks fine now. Thanks again to all who helped. See you still can learn something new everyday. Happy Holidays to all..... Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From kjq45 at att.net Tue Dec 22 14:15:47 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Tue Dec 22 14:17:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 36196A Amp Message-ID: Does anyone know what model Rock-Ola the 36196A amp goes in? From fred at proteamcorvette.com Tue Dec 22 15:28:13 2009 From: fred at proteamcorvette.com (Proteam Corvette) Date: Tue Dec 22 15:41:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1436 Plastic dome Message-ID: <015BA94A-043F-4A25-968E-66CE6F27B03E@proteamcorvette.com> Hi If anybody can help me I'm looking for Left & right Plastic Dome for Rock-Ola 1436 I will take new or used you can call 419- 392-2699 or E-mail me at fred@proteamcorvette.com Thanks Fred From stamann at jukebox-world.de Wed Dec 23 01:51:11 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Wed Dec 23 01:54:49 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 36196A Amp Message-ID: Hello Glen, that model amp belongs to some of the Rock-Ola wallmount models (1494 and 403): http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Rock-Ola/R.O.Wandboxen.htm#36196-A Kind regards - Oliver Stamann -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Glen Pitts Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Dezember 2009 23:31 An: Jukebox List Betreff: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 36196A Amp Does anyone know what model Rock-Ola the 36196A amp goes in? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 23 06:10:37 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Wed Dec 23 06:12:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <316882.78466.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to everyone on the list. Gary From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Dec 23 06:19:41 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Dec 23 06:21:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <316882.78466.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <316882.78466.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83C521D3-DC94-4B41-BBD9-729EB25516D1@verizon.net> Gary, same to you and your loved ones...peace, harmony and prosperity in 2010, Jackie On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Gary Young wrote: > Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to everyone on the list. > > Gary > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Dec 23 07:36:05 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Dec 23 07:38:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT A Very Merry Christmas Message-ID: THE JUKEBOX FREAKS A Very Merry Christmas...to all you Jukebox Freaks, we're sometime known to others as nostalgic, time-warped Geeks. But that's ok with us, as the records spin around, in our house, all the "Greats" live forever in our sound. So hold your heads up high and put your dancin' shoes on your feet, get ready...when you push "select" you've got that crazy beat. When Christmas Morning comes around, I hope we all will see, A Wurly, Ami, Seeburg, Rockola or Rowe sitting beside our Christmas Tree. And for the year 2010, whatever else you do, Give Peace on Earth, Goodwill to all Men, and a new Jukebox or 2! A very Happy Holiday to you all and your Families, Jackie Dancin' Out From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 23 08:07:37 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Wed Dec 23 08:09:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT A Very Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <655786.40843.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, Merry Christmas And the best New Year ever for everyone! That Christmas wish from Jackie sounds GREAT! David (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Jackie Elgie wrote: > From: Jackie Elgie > Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT A Very Merry Christmas > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 8:36 AM > THE JUKEBOX FREAKS > > A Very Merry Christmas...to all you Jukebox Freaks, > we're sometime known to others as nostalgic, time-warped > Geeks. > > But that's ok with us, as the records spin around, > in our house, all the "Greats" live forever in our sound. > > So hold your heads up high and put your dancin' shoes on > your feet, > get ready...when you push "select" you've got that crazy > beat. > > When Christmas Morning comes around, I hope we all will > see, > A Wurly, Ami, Seeburg, Rockola or Rowe? sitting beside > our Christmas Tree. > > And for the year 2010, whatever else you do, > Give Peace on Earth, Goodwill to all Men, and a new Jukebox > or 2! > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ???A very Happy Holiday to you > all and your Families, > ??? ??? ??? > ??? ??? ??? > ? Jackie > ??? ??? ??? > ??? ??? ??? > Dancin' Out > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Dec 23 08:12:18 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Wed Dec 23 08:13:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT A Very Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very well said Jackie. I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and a prosperous 2010. God Bless. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Elgie Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:36 AM To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT A Very Merry Christmas THE JUKEBOX FREAKS A Very Merry Christmas...to all you Jukebox Freaks, we're sometime known to others as nostalgic, time-warped Geeks. But that's ok with us, as the records spin around, in our house, all the "Greats" live forever in our sound. So hold your heads up high and put your dancin' shoes on your feet, get ready...when you push "select" you've got that crazy beat. When Christmas Morning comes around, I hope we all will see, A Wurly, Ami, Seeburg, Rockola or Rowe sitting beside our Christmas Tree. And for the year 2010, whatever else you do, Give Peace on Earth, Goodwill to all Men, and a new Jukebox or 2! A very Happy Holiday to you all and your Families, Jackie Dancin' Out _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2582 - Release Date: 12/23/09 02:28:00 From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 23 08:32:19 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Wed Dec 23 08:34:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: Chritsmas Music Mixes (better Late...) Message-ID: <688556.56186.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Happiest of Holidays to All I'm a little late uploading and sending this year, but still plenty of time to enjoy some musical Christmas cheer. Hers's how it works:? All the files are zip archives uploaded to MegaUpload.? You can open with 7-Zip or another utility: http://www.7-zip.org/.? To download, go to the pages and follow instructions of click the link. To preview the covers (pdfs with track lists) and get jpegs of the covers I've uploaded a covers file (you can add the jpegs to the other folders so the cover displays on your mp3 player or computer -- I forgot to): Covers: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N4E0ZGJC Now the music. New This Year: Punch Bowl Full of Joy:? I actually made this one last year.? It is a collection of favorites from over the years.? Lots of classics: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MUKLXLF7 Moods of Christmas 2009, 1&2:? These are collections of things -- old and new - that have caught my ear this year.? Very eclectic: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3YF4D7W9 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3DB9066C A Rock-A-Billy Christmas #3:? The third in this series; number 4 is in the works.? Lots of great Rock-A-Billy (loosely defined) holiday tunes: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TC2PFQM1 >From Last Year (for those who missed them) Moods of Christmas 2008: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6EJUKZGK A Rock-A-Billy Christmas 1: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=P07MC5NX A Rock-A-Billy Christmas 2: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YRFDRVZS It takes a little time to download, but should be worth it. ? Enjoy (and share)! TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 23 08:39:02 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 23 08:40:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT A Very Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <304619.5016.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Real "cool" Thanks Jackie--and backatchya--and all others too !? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT A Very Merry Christmas To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 7:36 AM THE JUKEBOX FREAKS A Very Merry Christmas...to all you Jukebox Freaks, we're sometime known to others as nostalgic, time-warped Geeks. But that's ok with us, as the records spin around, in our house, all the "Greats" live forever in our sound. So hold your heads up high and put your dancin' shoes on your feet, get ready...when you push "select" you've got that crazy beat. When Christmas Morning comes around, I hope we all will see, A Wurly, Ami, Seeburg, Rockola or Rowe? sitting beside our Christmas Tree. And for the year 2010, whatever else you do, Give Peace on Earth, Goodwill to all Men, and a new Jukebox or 2! ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???A very Happy Holiday to you all and your Families, ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? Jackie ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Dancin' Out _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From stamann at jukebox-world.de Wed Dec 23 09:38:34 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Wed Dec 23 09:42:18 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] OT A Very Merry Christmas Message-ID: Same from Germany - thanks - and that Jackies wishes come true. Merry Christmas - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Ron Rich Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Dezember 2009 17:46 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT A Very Merry Christmas Real "cool" Thanks Jackie--and backatchya--and all others too !? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT A Very Merry Christmas To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 7:36 AM THE JUKEBOX FREAKS A Very Merry Christmas...to all you Jukebox Freaks, we're sometime known to others as nostalgic, time-warped Geeks. But that's ok with us, as the records spin around, in our house, all the "Greats" live forever in our sound. So hold your heads up high and put your dancin' shoes on your feet, get ready...when you push "select" you've got that crazy beat. When Christmas Morning comes around, I hope we all will see, A Wurly, Ami, Seeburg, Rockola or Rowe? sitting beside our Christmas Tree. And for the year 2010, whatever else you do, Give Peace on Earth, Goodwill to all Men, and a new Jukebox or 2! ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???A very Happy Holiday to you all and your Families, ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? Jackie ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Dancin' Out _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From Carg3 at aol.com Sat Dec 19 15:57:52 2009 From: Carg3 at aol.com (Carg3@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 23 10:13:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 444 volume control issue Message-ID: I've got a Rockola 444 with only one speaker working consistently. The problem is in the five-prong wire from the volume control motor. When inserted just an eighth inch or so, all four speakers work. When pushed in properly, I only get one. The wires are all fine behind the amp cover. Any thoughts for this newbie? Thanks. From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 23 08:12:57 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Wed Dec 23 10:21:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chritsmas Music Mixes (better Late...) Message-ID: <486010.17033.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Happiest of Holidays to All I'm a little late uploading and sending this year, but still plenty of time to enjoy some musical Christmas cheer. Hers's how it works:? All the files are zip archives uploaded to MegaUpload.? You can open with 7-Zip or another utility: http://www.7-zip.org/.? To download, go to the pages and follow instructions of click the link. To preview the covers (pdfs with track lists) and get jpegs of the covers I've uploaded a covers file (you can add the jpegs to the other folders so the cover displays on your mp3 player or computer -- I forgot to): Covers: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N4E0ZGJC Now the music. New This Year: Punch Bowl Full of Joy:? I actually made this one last year.? It is a collection of favorites from over the years.? Lots of classics: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MUKLXLF7 Moods of Christmas 2009, 1&2:? These are collections of things -- old and new - that have caught my ear this year.? Very eclectic: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3YF4D7W9 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3DB9066C A Rock-A-Billy Christmas #3:? The third in this series; number 4 is in the works.? Lots of great Rock-A-Billy (loosely defined) holiday tunes: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TC2PFQM1 >From Last Year (for those who missed them) Moods of Christmas 2008: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6EJUKZGK A Rock-A-Billy Christmas 1: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=P07MC5NX A Rock-A-Billy Christmas 2: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YRFDRVZS It takes a little time to download, but should be worth it. ? Enjoy (and share)! TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools From russodue at earthlink.net Wed Dec 23 10:53:08 2009 From: russodue at earthlink.net (tony russo) Date: Wed Dec 23 10:54:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <316882.78466.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: , <316882.78466.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Gary! Buon Natale e felice Anno Nuovo e tutti! (Italian) (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone!) Tony > Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:10:37 +0000 > From: gazzyoung_uk@yahoo.co.uk > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas > > Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to everyone on the list. > > Gary > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Dec 23 11:09:52 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Wed Dec 23 11:11:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chritsmas Music Mixes (better Late...) In-Reply-To: <486010.17033.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <486010.17033.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tom, thanks very much...nice to have these in my itunes! Great job Jackie On Dec 23, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Thomas Mertz wrote: > Happiest of Holidays to All > > I'm a little late uploading and sending this year, but still plenty of time to enjoy some musical Christmas cheer. > > Hers's how it works: All the files are zip archives uploaded to MegaUpload. You can open with 7-Zip > or another utility: http://www.7-zip.org/. To download, go to the pages and follow instructions of click the link. > > To preview the covers (pdfs with track lists) and get jpegs of the covers I've uploaded a covers file (you can add the jpegs to the other folders so the cover displays on your mp3 player or computer -- I forgot to): Covers: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N4E0ZGJC > > Now the music. > > New This Year: > > Punch Bowl Full of Joy: I actually made this one last year. It is a collection of favorites from over the years. Lots of classics: > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MUKLXLF7 > > Moods of Christmas 2009, 1&2: These are collections of things -- old and new - that have caught my ear this year. Very eclectic: > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3YF4D7W9 > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3DB9066C > > A Rock-A-Billy Christmas #3: The third in this series; number 4 is in the works. Lots of great Rock-A-Billy (loosely defined) holiday tunes: > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TC2PFQM1 > >> From Last Year (for those who missed them) > > Moods of Christmas 2008: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6EJUKZGK > > A Rock-A-Billy Christmas 1: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=P07MC5NX > > A Rock-A-Billy Christmas 2: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YRFDRVZS > > It takes a little time to download, but should be worth it. > > Enjoy (and share)! > > TJ > > Thomas J. Mertz > Department of History > Edgewood College > tjmertz@sbcglobal.net > Advocating on Madison Public Schools > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jeremy at dwave.net Wed Dec 23 11:50:06 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Wed Dec 23 11:51:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 444 volume control issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091223194701.M61438@dwave.net> Welcome! Perhaps some Caig deoxIT spray would help. Or you might have to "re-form" the contacts that grip the plug. Jeremy Agema On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:57:52 EST, Carg3 wrote > I've got a Rockola 444 with only one speaker working consistently. ? The > problem is in the five-prong wire from the volume control motor. ?When ? > inserted just an eighth inch or so, all four speakers work. ?When pushed in ? > properly, I only get one. ?The wires are all fine behind the amp ? cover. ?Any > thoughts for this newbie? ? Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Dec 23 13:19:33 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Wed Dec 23 13:21:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: References: <316882.78466.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Merry Christmas to everyone on the list and especially our friends across the pond. Here's hoping that this community continues to prosper in our devotion to the hobby. I, for one, want to thank everyone on the list for the dedication and willingness to share in the knowledge. I'll never claim to be an expert, but I know I come a little closer with all the help I receive from the folks here. A big THANK YOU to all. Aaron On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, tony russo wrote: > > Thanks Gary! Buon Natale e felice Anno Nuovo e tutti! (Italian) > (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone!) > > > Tony > > > > > Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:10:37 +0000 > > From: gazzyoung_uk@yahoo.co.uk > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas > > > > Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to everyone on the list. > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Dec 23 14:48:12 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Dec 23 14:49:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chritsmas Music Mixes (better Late...) In-Reply-To: <486010.17033.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <765673.8997.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Thomas Mertz wrote: > I'm a little late uploading and sending this year, but > still plenty of time to enjoy some musical Christmas cheer. I'm looking forward to listening to these! As fate would have it, I've made some Christmas mixes over the years, too. Mine are at: http://tildebang.com/xmas-music.html mp3's. Just click and listen. From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 23 15:02:36 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Wed Dec 23 15:04:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chritsmas Music Mixes (better Late...) In-Reply-To: <765673.8997.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <526710.46498.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cool! Thanks and Merry, Merry to your and yours. TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools --- On Wed, 12/23/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chritsmas Music Mixes (better Late...) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 4:48 PM --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Thomas Mertz wrote: > I'm a little late uploading and sending this year, but > still plenty of time to enjoy some musical Christmas cheer. I'm looking forward to listening to these!? As fate would have it, I've made some Christmas mixes over the years, too. Mine are at: http://tildebang.com/xmas-music.html mp3's.? Just click and listen. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From steve.lane at dishmail.net Wed Dec 23 15:13:12 2009 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Wed Dec 23 15:21:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rollers for Wurlamatic? Message-ID: <61088cf90912231513q1eec416eta8b2d89595819876@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I noticed that my 3500 Zodiac with the Wurlamatic record holder is catching and not spinning around very freely when it turns. I watched the three rollers underneath while it was turning and it looks like they are all seized up! Is there a source for these or has anybody had any luck freeing them up? Thanks Steve From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Wed Dec 23 16:20:46 2009 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Wed Dec 23 16:23:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rollers for Wurlamatic? References: <61088cf90912231513q1eec416eta8b2d89595819876@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: They can be freed up. You may have to remove the record holding rack in order to get to them. I have done many over the years. Ron Tyler ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of STEVE LANE Sent: Wed 12/23/2009 3:13 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rollers for Wurlamatic? Hi, I noticed that my 3500 Zodiac with the Wurlamatic record holder is catching and not spinning around very freely when it turns. I watched the three rollers underneath while it was turning and it looks like they are all seized up! Is there a source for these or has anybody had any luck freeing them up? Thanks Steve _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 23 16:24:40 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 23 16:26:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 444 volume control issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <179142.24857.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Newbe, and Welcome-- Just wondering--that "5 wire cable"--is it the one supplying MOTOR power or is it an audio cable? If audio, there should be an identicle cable "just hanging" in the area where it plugs into the amp--If so, swap them and see if the rear volume control has both channels-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Carg3@aol.com wrote: From: Carg3@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 444 volume control issue To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 3:57 PM I've got a Rockola 444 with only one speaker working consistently.???The problem is in the five-prong wire from the volume control motor.? When? inserted just an eighth inch or so, all four speakers work.? When pushed in? properly, I only get one.? The wires are all fine behind the amp? cover.? Any thoughts for this newbie????Thanks. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinball at telus.net Wed Dec 23 16:41:05 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Dec 23 16:42:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rollers for Wurlamatic? In-Reply-To: <61088cf90912231513q1eec416eta8b2d89595819876@mail.gmail.com> References: <61088cf90912231513q1eec416eta8b2d89595819876@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B32B8A1.5010803@telus.net> STEVE LANE wrote: > Hi, > I noticed that my 3500 Zodiac with the Wurlamatic record holder is catching > and not spinning around very freely when it turns. I watched the three > rollers underneath while it was turning and it looks like they are all > seized up! Is there a source for these or has anybody had any luck freeing > them up? Thanks > > Steve If they are blown you can replace them with regular ball bearing modules as long as they are the same diameter. You will have to mount them to the plate of course. I should have NOS bearing assemblies in stock- if you want to spend more money, but less work. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Wed Dec 23 16:44:57 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Wed Dec 23 16:46:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rollers for Wurlamatic? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <828475.7154.qm@web96010.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi,easy job, make sure the gripper arm is in the play position , turn your juke off. remove the circlip on the record carousel spindle and lift the carousel clear. You will see the drive pin that allows the record basket to mount only one way. Good luckPS .. i have done a few and replaced the ball races with better quality SKF units.? --- On Thu, 24/12/09, Tyler, Ronald wrote: From: Tyler, Ronald Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rollers for Wurlamatic? To: "Jukebox mailing list" , jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, 24 December, 2009, 1:20 PM They can be freed up.? You may have to remove the record holding rack in order to get to them.? I have done many over the years.? Ron Tyler ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of STEVE LANE Sent: Wed 12/23/2009 3:13 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rollers for Wurlamatic? Hi, I noticed that my 3500 Zodiac with the Wurlamatic record holder is catching and not spinning around very freely when it turns. I watched the three rollers underneath while it was turning and it looks like they are all seized up! Is there a source for these or has anybody had any luck freeing them up? Thanks Steve _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 23 19:16:00 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Dec 23 19:20:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Happy Holidays To list Members Message-ID: However you choose to say it, have a wonderful holiday season, and make the most of your time with family. Life is too short. My personal wishes for Christmas are the following. 1. World Peace. How hard can it really be? Get our troops home where they belong. 2. Food and Shelter for the homeless. It could be one of us someday. 3 A bottle of Jameson Irish Whiskey. To share with Santa of course. Thanks to all for help and support with jukebox stuff this year! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From maddleso at gmu.edu Wed Dec 23 19:39:09 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Wed Dec 23 19:40:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 77, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <20091223200003.6C451AAFDA@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20091223200003.6C451AAFDA@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Echoing others wishes, a merry Christmas and prosperous year ahead to all. And if Santa is on this list, please remember that it's old jukeboxes we're hoping for, not new ones. Mark From klaba at klaba.net Thu Dec 24 00:27:42 2009 From: klaba at klaba.net (Klaba) Date: Thu Dec 24 00:38:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Christmas tree and RO 459 Message-ID: <97EAA226-A396-49FB-ACDC-E3796D31E36B@klaba.net> Merry Christmas to everybody from Finland http://twitpic.com/uxdia -Klaba- From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Dec 24 03:36:08 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Dec 24 03:37:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Christmas tree and RO 459 In-Reply-To: <97EAA226-A396-49FB-ACDC-E3796D31E36B@klaba.net> References: <97EAA226-A396-49FB-ACDC-E3796D31E36B@klaba.net> Message-ID: Nice Tree....record collection and above all.....Nice JUkeboxes! Merry Christmas Jackie On Dec 24, 2009, at 3:27 AM, Klaba wrote: > Merry Christmas to everybody from Finland > http://twitpic.com/uxdia > > -Klaba- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From lavin at cheqnet.net Thu Dec 24 06:25:56 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Thu Dec 24 06:36:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas References: <316882.78466.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Merry Christmas to all !! My 5 year old grand daughter is here and were having fun playing the AMI G80 in the shop. It's her favorite one . Hope everyone has a Wonderful Christmas and get's lot's of juke goodies this year !! Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Young" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:10 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas > Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to everyone on the list. > > Gary > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2582 - Release Date: 12/22/09 12:22:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Dec 24 07:08:12 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Dec 24 07:09:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Christmas tree and RO 459 In-Reply-To: <97EAA226-A396-49FB-ACDC-E3796D31E36B@klaba.net> Message-ID: <64162.31831.qm@web112119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Klaba wrote: > Merry Christmas to everybody from Finland > http://twitpic.com/uxdia What a great picture - and what a record collection! Say "Hi" to the reindeer for us poor Americans who only see them in movies. :-) From berrycbell at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 08:26:06 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Thu Dec 24 08:28:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Christmas tree and RO 459 In-Reply-To: <97EAA226-A396-49FB-ACDC-E3796D31E36B@klaba.net> References: <97EAA226-A396-49FB-ACDC-E3796D31E36B@klaba.net> Message-ID: Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year! Chicagoland Christmas with Wurlitzer 1100 Berry Bell On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Klaba wrote: > Merry Christmas to everybody from Finland > http://twitpic.com/uxdia > > -Klaba- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From NotarySojac at SBCGlobal.net Thu Dec 24 14:03:01 2009 From: NotarySojac at SBCGlobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Thu Dec 24 14:04:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <345601.67596.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wishing all of you the merriest Christmas and peace throughout the holiday season. Bob Cachur - Chicago USA Sent from iPhone From steve.lane at dishmail.net Thu Dec 24 14:32:31 2009 From: steve.lane at dishmail.net (STEVE LANE) Date: Thu Dec 24 14:34:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rollers for Wurlamatic? In-Reply-To: <828475.7154.qm@web96010.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <828475.7154.qm@web96010.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <61088cf90912241432t6e3185ban20348000b07f7d99@mail.gmail.com> Took it apart the afternoon and got all of the rollers spinning again with some wd40. One of them is damaged though. Looks like the plastic rubbed on the front roller so long that it actually wore a hole in the steel! I was able to peel a sliver of steel about 1/16 inch wide off about 1/2 way around the bearing in the center of of the roller. It is working right now but I would like to replace that one soon. Steve On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:44 PM, John Wilson wrote: > Hi,easy job, make sure the gripper arm is in the play position , turn your > juke off. remove the circlip on the record carousel spindle and lift the > carousel clear. You will see the drive pin that allows the record basket to > mount only one way. Good luckPS .. i have done a few and replaced the ball > races with better quality SKF units. > > --- On Thu, 24/12/09, Tyler, Ronald wrote: > > From: Tyler, Ronald > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rollers for Wurlamatic? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" , > jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, 24 December, 2009, 1:20 PM > > They can be freed up. You may have to remove the record holding rack in > order to get to them. I have done many over the years. > > Ron Tyler > > ________________________________ > > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of STEVE LANE > Sent: Wed 12/23/2009 3:13 PM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rollers for Wurlamatic? > > > > Hi, > I noticed that my 3500 Zodiac with the Wurlamatic record holder is catching > and not spinning around very freely when it turns. I watched the three > rollers underneath while it was turning and it looks like they are all > seized up! Is there a source for these or has anybody had any luck freeing > them up? Thanks > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From mikeberger at msn.com Thu Dec 24 15:48:23 2009 From: mikeberger at msn.com (Michael Berger) Date: Thu Dec 24 15:50:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selections are off by 40 and 80 Message-ID: First off, Merry Christmas..have a safe an happy holiday with family and loved ones. I promised to finish putting the 1454 back together as a present to myself..which I did. However, there is a small lump of coal in the stocking. This box has 20 buttons and a 3 sided selection drum. Side 1 allows choices 1-40, Side 2 41-80, and Side 3 80-120. Pressing selection buttons 1 - 60 works properly. Starting with selection 61 here is what happens: Selected Actual 62 22 63 23 65 25 68 28 71 31 73 33 77 37 80 40 These are all off by "40" or one turn of the selection drum. 88 88 90 90 94 94 100 100 Ok, 80-100 seem OK 102 22 104 24 108 28 110 30 112 32 120 40 These are off by 80 (2 x 40) Every time I press the button, I do hear a selenoid fire. Since the problem is in multiples of 40, I suspect there is a pushbutton circuit issue (?). I do have the schematics, however, this is my first box, so I've still got sea legs with troubleshooting these. I do have lots of experience with EM pinballs, so I am somewhat familiar with mechanicals. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. I just need to know where to start looking. Thanks again. Mike From mikeberger at msn.com Thu Dec 24 16:11:18 2009 From: mikeberger at msn.com (Michael Berger) Date: Thu Dec 24 16:12:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 off by 40 or 80 selections (correction) Message-ID: Just correcting previous post. There are 40 bottons on the panel, not 20. Mike From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 24 17:09:00 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 24 17:12:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 off by 40 or 80 selections (correction ) Message-ID: <20091224.200900.25778.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello Michael: As you look at the front of the machine, at the left end of the rotary title strip drum, there are a group of switches. Depending on age of the machine these are either open contact leaf-switches or microswitches.SWitches are operated by a rotating cam. These switches act as multipliers as the correct side of the drum comes into view. no "multiplier" switches closed i.e. Title drum position 1 selector buttons 1 thru 40 rotate drum once--one "multiplier" sw. closes i.e. Title drum position 2 selector buttons 41 thru 80 rotate drum to next position---2nd "multiplier" sw. closes i.e. Title drum position 3 selector buttons 81 thru 120 The most common troubles that cause this to happen are mechanical slippage of the cam, and dirty switch contacts (leaf switch) or failed switch (micro switch) Some of the 50's model 120-selection jukes had 4 sided title drums with 30 buttons per side. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=RAz95OBPsfagVfNkTlwSoQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= From menkelis at yahoo.com Thu Dec 24 18:43:54 2009 From: menkelis at yahoo.com (Mike Enkelis) Date: Thu Dec 24 18:51:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My first restoration project - Wurlitzer 5250 Message-ID: <309889.69655.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Wallbox just arrived today, and after a quick lookover I have a lot of questions. 1. Safeist way to clean out the gunk inside. I was thinking of vacuume and small brush plus can-o-air. 2. Safe way for corrosion cleanup. 3. Lube. I know NOT to use WD-40 or white grease. I have some light machine oil (turbine oil) that I think should work. 4. Parts? I would like to add back in the lock & key and the cash bin/reject chute. the page springs are a rusted broken pile. Also I will need to get a service manual. Victory Glass? I have seen that I will need to add new insulaing tubes over the lamp wires, and repair wires that have had the plastic covering split. The plastic cable clamps inside are shot and will need to be replaced. And some missing screws. From mikeberger at msn.com Fri Dec 25 14:50:47 2009 From: mikeberger at msn.com (Michael Berger) Date: Fri Dec 25 14:52:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selections are off by 40 and 80 - Fixed! In-Reply-To: <20091225200002.D67FDAAF1C@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20091225200002.D67FDAAF1C@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Thanks again James. The cam which activates a pair of microswitches was out of adjustment. The plate which actuates the pair of swithes needed more throw as it wasn't making contact with the cam. Works like a champ...the selector unit picks every selection too. One question though, when pressing the selection drum button, every few times its comes to the 1 -40 side, it doen't stop. It does not happen on any other side, so I know its not the switch that closes when the selection button is hit. I gapped the make break switch which applies/cuts power to the drum. Is there another switch I need to look at? Mike From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 25 17:00:38 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 25 17:04:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selections are off by 40 and 80 - Fixe d! Message-ID: <20091225.200038.22674.2@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Hello Michael: I'm glad that this solution worked out for you. The drum-rotation motor is controlled by another switching function on the same cam. When you press the rotate button on the ront panel, this completes a low-voltage power circuit to the drum motor. On the cam there is an indentation, that immediately closes a "motor hold on" leaf switch, or microswitch. As the next titlestrip view surface is rolled into alignment, the indent should end, causing the switch to open. There's either a mechanical misdajustment, or electrical fault here. If your RO 1454 has been sitting dormant for a long time,especially in a humid environment, an adjustment may be needed as the microswitch contacts are becoming dirty or corroded. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=RK992EdhJEOCV_TzD96a0AAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 25 17:16:22 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 25 17:19:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My first restoration project - Wurlitzer 5250 Message-ID: <20091225.201622.22674.3@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Hello, Mike: Welcome to the list. You'll find lots of people here that are eager to talk jukeboxes with you. To try to quickly answer your questions: No problem using a vacuum cleaner and an aerosol can of air to clean dust and debris. Make sure there are no loose small parts to get sucked up or blown away when you do this. For steel surfaces that has stains, mild rust etc. Applying a cream-based cleaner "Brasso" or "Noxon" and wiping off with a shop rag helps. Can also be used to polish chromed surfaces. Steel sliding surfaces were intended to be treated with a grease based lubricant. Service manual will probably advise use of "Lubriplate" which is still available. A more modern substitute would be to use white lithium grease. (sold in toothpaste-size tubes at auto-parts stores) WD-40 will work as an anti-rust preservative (it's not a long term lubricant) on unpainted steel surfaces. Afte cleaning, and repairing of steel surfaces. Apply WD-40 to these places by spraying first on a paper towel, and applying the wet towel surfaces to the surfaces needing it. You will need to replace rotted wiring,cable clamps, etc if you intend to apply power to the wall box either just to light it up, or to make it fully functional and connected to a master jukebox. A small, external, fused power transformer can be connected to a wall outlet, if you want to make the wallbox light up for appearance's sake, but not functioning. Basic small guage wiring supplies, nylon cable ties, etc can be found at most home improvement stores (Home Depot, Lowes, etc)electrical or electronic supply houses. You can usually find small, general purpose springs in the hdwe.dept. at the home supply store. The Wurlitzer 5250 is a 200 select wallbox. These were brought out in the mid 50's,used with various juke models of the time through 1964. They were designed to mate up with Wurlitzer jukebox models 2000 thru 2800. The correct stepper switch accessory is needed to allow the wall box to communicate with the master jukebox. In 1965, the newer 5220 wallboxes were introduced, to be used with he model 2900 jukes, going forward. The newer 5220 wallbox series used stepper switch technology to register selections,like the 5250 model did. I don't know whether the 5250 switching sequences are compatible with the later ('65-up) jukeboxes or not. I think they were not. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=EkJrA-I7A2YB95nwX6emZwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From jay at west.net Sat Dec 26 14:00:16 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Dec 26 14:01:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547-549 amplifier output transistors Message-ID: <4B368770.7050107@west.net> For those having trouble sourcing reasonably priced replacements for the original germanium output transistors, I have successfully substituted modern silicon output transistors in these amplifiers. Great sound, far less expensive, and no problems. Substitute MJ15016 for the transistors and change the 1.8 ohm resistors to 9.1 ohm in order to properly bias the silicon parts. Swap both transistors in a channel or just do all four. Resistors are R28 in the 547 amplifier and R32 in the 548 and 549. No other parts changes needed. Mouser numbers: 863-MJ15016G - MJ15016 transistor, $2.45 each x 4 283-9.1-RC - 9.1 ohm power resistor, $0.39 each x 4 534-4636 - Mica insulating washer, $0.14 each x 4 526-NTE303 - Heat sink compound, $2.77 -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 26 15:34:00 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 26 15:35:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547-549 amplifier output transistors In-Reply-To: <4B368770.7050107@west.net> Message-ID: <48781.82822.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Great tip, Thanks Jay--same go for Seeburg units ? Just FYI----NOS---OEM Wurlie germanium matched set outputs are listed on eBay for $30 per four transistors. Item # 200421878497? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547-549 amplifier output transistors To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 2:00 PM For those having trouble sourcing reasonably priced replacements for the original germanium output transistors, I have successfully substituted modern silicon output transistors in these amplifiers.? Great sound, far less expensive, and no problems. Substitute MJ15016 for the transistors and change the 1.8 ohm resistors to 9.1 ohm in order to properly bias the silicon parts.? Swap both transistors in a channel or just do all four.? Resistors are R28 in the 547 amplifier and R32 in the 548 and 549.? No other parts changes needed. Mouser numbers: 863-MJ15016G - MJ15016 transistor, $2.45 each x 4 283-9.1-RC???- 9.1 ohm power resistor, $0.39 each x 4 534-4636? ???- Mica insulating washer, $0.14 each x 4 526-NTE303???- Heat sink compound, $2.77 -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 26 15:38:17 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 26 15:41:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547-549 amplifier output transistors Message-ID: <20091226.183817.19704.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jay: Thank You for sharing this service info. Are you aware of any other germanium-to-silicon substitutions that would apply to early jukebox amps? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=_EQbFrkOBsNwUZL33NbiLAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From jay at west.net Sat Dec 26 19:17:20 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Dec 26 19:18:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547-549 amplifier output transistors In-Reply-To: <48781.82822.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <48781.82822.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B36D1C0.2020409@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Great tip, Thanks Jay--same go for Seeburg units ? Almost certainly not directly as written, but the same principles apply. * Identify the germanium part. * Find a silicon replacement with relatively equal beta and current/voltage specs at least that of the original. * Modify circuit for 0.6 volt bias voltage instead of 0.3 for same current. The circuit modification is the tricky part as it depends on how the original circuit was designed. As a rule it is a simple resistor change, some may be more complicated, some just drop in. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Sat Dec 26 19:30:05 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Dec 26 19:31:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 547-549 amplifier output transistors In-Reply-To: <20091226.183817.19704.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091226.183817.19704.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4B36D4BD.2090408@west.net> James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Jay: > > Thank You for sharing this service info. Are you aware of any other germanium-to-silicon substitutions that would apply to early jukebox amps? 2N3904 (NPN) and 2N3906 (PNP) or just about any similar small-signal silicon transistor will plug in directly for the germanium preamp transistors in Seeburg transistor/tube amplifiers such as used in the 222 vintage. No need to change any other components. Rock-ola 424 amplifier silicon can replace germanium outputs. Replace all eight metal TO-3 transistors with 2N3791 PNP silicon. Change the four 2.4 ohm resistors in the base circuit of the outputs to 10 ohm, 1 watt. Adjust the bias pots for 35 to 60 ma and 22.5 volts or half the supply as shown in the manual. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Dec 27 12:17:33 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Dec 27 12:19:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where's Jens Hultgren? Message-ID: <312037.82555.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does anyone know what happened to Jens? A few weeks ago I sent him a followup to an exchange we'd had last year about 60Hz 78 gears for a Seeburg Freborg mechanism, and never heard back. Then, come to think of it, I haven't seen a posting from him here on months. I hope he's alright. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From pinball at telus.net Sun Dec 27 12:54:14 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Dec 27 12:55:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where's Jens Hultgren? In-Reply-To: <312037.82555.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <312037.82555.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B37C976.1090507@telus.net> David Breneman wrote: > Does anyone know what happened to Jens? A few weeks > ago I sent him a followup to an exchange we'd had last > year about 60Hz 78 gears for a Seeburg Freborg mechanism, > and never heard back. Then, come to think of it, I > haven't seen a posting from him here on months. I > hope he's alright. > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > He last posted here November 18th, but he hasn't been posting a lot this year, and he skips months from time to time...always good advice from Jens! John :-#(# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Dec 27 14:00:00 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jacqueline Elgie) Date: Sun Dec 27 14:01:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where's Jens Hultgren? In-Reply-To: <4B37C976.1090507@telus.net> References: <312037.82555.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B37C976.1090507@telus.net> Message-ID: David, I talked to Jens a week or so ago, he is in Africa on vacation. Jackie On Dec 27, 2009, at 3:54 PM, John Robertson wrote: > David Breneman wrote: >> Does anyone know what happened to Jens? A few weeks >> ago I sent him a followup to an exchange we'd had last >> year about 60Hz 78 gears for a Seeburg Freborg mechanism, >> and never heard back. Then, come to think of it, I >> haven't seen a posting from him here on months. I >> hope he's alright. >> >> David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com >> >> > > He last posted here November 18th, but he hasn't been posting a lot this year, and he skips months from time to time...always good advice from Jens! > > John :-#(# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Dec 27 14:29:36 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Dec 27 14:31:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where's Jens Hultgren? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <517485.62410.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks, John and Jackie. I guess I'll just have to await his return. (Somehow, I'm reminded of "Hooray for Captain Spaulding.") :-) David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Dec 27 17:53:41 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (SSG Rich Myers) Date: Sun Dec 27 17:55:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT Message-ID: <5ED88BB3614243148F3A2AE24D8C3DF1@p4> Ok..here's one that might take some out of the box thinking. Roads here in western Missouri were to bad to travel this weekend. My wife told me that my in-laws have a xmas gift for me but would not tell me what it was.exactly. Maybe together we can figure it out.Here is the description my wife gave me.because she does not really know what it is either. The description came from my sister-in-law 1. old 2. says Wurlitzer on it 3. will not need a truck to move it 4. lady at the antique store says it plays small discs...but could not find any. 1-3 make it sound like a wallbox or a tabletop juke...dreaming.. Number 4 completely throws me off. Again, this is all third party information so may be completely inaccurate. I will find out the weekend of 14 Jan when we see them again..weather willing. Any ideas? Rich From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 27 18:33:26 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Sun Dec 27 18:35:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selections are off by 40 and 80 - Fixed! References: <20091225200002.D67FDAAF1C@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <124EAFBBA5D8446280946BAB048A9549@dirksen> The starting and stopping of the drum motor is controlled by the same leaf switches no matter which titleboard is showing, so you "shouldn't" be having this problem on only one side. Obviously, there is something different happening when group 1-40 comes around. I would guess maybe there is some hardened grease on the cam keeping the leaf switches closed slightly longer when group 1-40 comes around. I would first make sure the leaf switches and cam are clean. The leaf switch mounting bracket is slotted, so you can adjust it to open them slightly sooner. Also, clean between the armature and pole piece to make sure the program relay is not sticking. One final thing to check is the motor itself - it has a small springloaded plunger which pulls in to engage and turn the drum. Many times the shaft becomes oily and sticky. Then the spring pressure is not sufficient to release the plunger in time, so it "coasts" too far and the leaf switches close, energizing the motor once again. Good luck, Jim Dirksen One question though, when pressing the selection drum button, every few times its comes to the 1 -40 side, it doen't stop. It does not happen on any other side, so I know its not the switch that closes when the selection button is hit. I gapped the make break switch which applies/cuts power to the drum. Is there another switch I need to look at? Mike _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release Date: 12/25/09 04:33:00 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Dec 27 19:14:22 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Dec 27 19:17:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT Message-ID: <20091227.221422.27469.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Hello Rich: Merry Christmas to you and family. I'll play along with this for a little bit.... The 30's-40's Wurlitzer tabletop jukes spun 12- 10" 78's--not what I'd call a small disc. US. Wurlitzer never built a compact size 45 RPM jukebox--they were all full size. Deutsche-Wurlitzer has a few small-size models that might qualify--- The 1972 model C110 is a compact size cassette playing jukebox. In the 80's they made an ultramodern-styled 45 RPM player called the Teledisc. This machine,circa 1984,is in a domed, egg-shaped (think Faberge egg) cabinet that sits on a pedestal. It uses external speakers and an IR controller for all it's functions. The machine uses the OMT type record changer with computer conttrol. This wasn't very popular here and they're aren' many of these around. For about the last five years and still current, is a CD jukebox called the Princess. It is designed to either stand mount or to be wall mounted. This is a 120 disc CD chgr in a compact size machine styled like a 1015, with all the lighting effects. It's kind of hard to believe that one of these has found it's way into an antique shop so soon. In the 70's and early 80's, Deustche Wurlitzer did bring out a few 45 playing jukeboxes that used a small floor footprint,similar in size to a RockOla Princess. These usually had names like Estrella and Baccarole, etc. There are some compact-size 1015 knockoffs made by companies not in the jukebox business (crosley radio comes to mind) that play music from tapes, CD's or floppy disc format. Let us know what your surprise turns out to be. Hoe you're not snowed in for too long. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=-nQ7e8QvuFfu_2cOaElOMwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 27 19:30:37 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Sun Dec 27 19:32:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT References: <5ED88BB3614243148F3A2AE24D8C3DF1@p4> Message-ID: "Old" is a relative term. Wurlitzer made a lot of different things. Don't ask them to describe anything, as you will end up "talking them into" describing what you want the jukebox to be. Or they will confuse it with some other jukebox from their past. Here are some real life examples of what has happened to me: Can you see the records play? Oh yes! I go look, and it turns out to be a Rowe TI-2. The front panel was replaced with clear Lexan. Does it have a big curved front glass? Oh yes! It says "Seabird". I go look, and instead of a V200, it's an LPC-1. Even getting the model number correct can be a challenge for some people. Once I drove 3 hours to buy a W2000 for $400 only to get there and find a W2200 instead. I still bought it, but what a let down! My advice is to quit speculating and get the model number. You'll sleep better. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "SSG Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 8:53 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT > Ok..here's one that might take some out of the box thinking. Roads here > in > western Missouri were to bad to travel this weekend. My wife told me that > my in-laws have a xmas gift for me but would not tell me what it > was.exactly. Maybe together we can figure it out.Here is the description > my > wife gave me.because she does not really know what it is either. The > description came from my sister-in-law > > > > 1. old > 2. says Wurlitzer on it > 3. will not need a truck to move it > 4. lady at the antique store says it plays small discs...but could not > find any. > > > > > > 1-3 make it sound like a wallbox or a tabletop juke...dreaming.. > > > > Number 4 completely throws me off. > > > > Again, this is all third party information so may be completely > inaccurate. > I will find out the weekend of 14 Jan when we see them again..weather > willing. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.121/2589 - Release Date: 12/27/09 04:18:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 27 21:12:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 27 21:13:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selections are off by 40 and 80 - Fixed! In-Reply-To: <124EAFBBA5D8446280946BAB048A9549@dirksen> Message-ID: <473503.42100.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim and Mike, Re: the drum motor and any other of that type--there is a miss-conception about the action of the spring on those motors. 99% of the time it is NOT a spring failure that causes "coasting", but a "dirty" bearing/shaft combination. If you examine the motor carefully you will find that the casting has oil holes drilled into it, or oil holes around the shaft entrance. The shaft must be clean, and free of "burs" (un-likely) and the (large) felt pads, on both ends of the shaft, must be full of? SAE 20 wt. motor oil. I would advise that the motor armature NOT be removed on this type motor, as it can be difficult at best to re-align--anyone know a "trick"--please let me in on it---? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/27/09, The Dirksen Family wrote: From: The Dirksen Family Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1454 Selections are off by 40 and 80 - Fixed! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 6:33 PM The starting and stopping of the drum motor is controlled by the same leaf switches no matter which titleboard is showing, so you "shouldn't" be having this problem on only one side. Obviously, there is something different happening when group 1-40 comes around. I would guess maybe there is some hardened grease on the cam keeping the leaf switches closed slightly longer when group 1-40 comes around. I would first make sure the leaf switches and cam are clean. The leaf switch mounting bracket is slotted, so you can adjust it to open them slightly sooner. Also, clean between the armature and pole piece to make sure the program relay is not sticking.? One final thing to check is the motor itself - it has a small springloaded plunger which pulls in to engage and turn the drum. Many times the shaft becomes oily and sticky. Then the spring pressure is not sufficient to release the plunger in time, so it "coasts" too far and the leaf switches close, energizing the motor once again. Good luck, Jim Dirksen One question though, when pressing the selection drum button, every few times its comes to the 1 -40 side, it doen't stop.? It does not happen on any other side, so I know its not the switch that closes when the selection button is hit.? I gapped the make break switch which applies/cuts power to the drum. Is there another switch I need to look at? Mike ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release Date: 12/25/09 04:33:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 27 21:29:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 27 21:31:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <539218.56262.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Only one sure way to get the model number is to have them email you a photo of the ID tag. I get LOTS of them calling that have "Seebrings", "Seebirds" "Wurlitzer CD players" that turn out to be "1015 knock-off" cabinets made by anyone--and how 'bout the guys that have a "jute-box"--which may turn out to be a turntable---I've had em all call !! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/27/09, The Dirksen Family wrote: From: The Dirksen Family Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 7:30 PM "Old" is a relative term. Wurlitzer made a lot of different things. Don't ask them to describe anything, as you will end up "talking them into" describing what you want the jukebox to be. Or they will confuse it with some other jukebox from their past. Here are some real life examples of what has happened to me: Can you see the records play? Oh yes! I go look, and it turns out to be a Rowe TI-2. The front panel was replaced with clear Lexan. Does it have a big curved front glass? Oh yes! It says "Seabird". I go look, and instead of a V200, it's an LPC-1. Even getting the model number correct can be a challenge for some people. Once I drove 3 hours to buy a W2000 for $400 only to get there and find a W2200 instead. I still bought it, but what a let down! My advice is to quit speculating and get the model number. You'll sleep better. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "SSG Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 8:53 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT > Ok..here's one that might take some out of the box thinking.? Roads here > in > western Missouri were to bad to travel this weekend.? My wife told me that > my in-laws have a xmas gift for me but would not tell me what it > was.exactly.? Maybe together we can figure it out.Here is the description > my > wife gave me.because she does not really know what it is either.? The > description came from my sister-in-law > > > > 1. old > 2. says Wurlitzer on it > 3. will not need a truck to move it > 4. lady at the antique store says it plays small discs...but could not > find any. > > > > > > 1-3 make it sound like a wallbox or a tabletop juke...dreaming.. > > > > Number 4 completely throws me off. > > > > Again,? this is all third party information so may be completely > inaccurate. > I will find out the weekend of 14 Jan when we see them again..weather > willing. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.121/2589 - Release Date: 12/27/09 04:18:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 27 21:33:13 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 27 21:34:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT In-Reply-To: <5ED88BB3614243148F3A2AE24D8C3DF1@p4> Message-ID: <485014.74126.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'll bet along with Jim that it's probably one of the "knock-off" small plastic radio's in a cabinet made to resemble the 1015--but I hope it's "somethin great" ! Let us know-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/27/09, SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: SSG Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 5:53 PM Ok..here's one that might take some out of the box thinking.? Roads here in western Missouri were to bad to travel this weekend.? My wife told me that my in-laws have a xmas gift for me but would not tell me what it was.exactly.? Maybe together we can figure it out.Here is the description my wife gave me.because she does not really know what it is either.? The description came from my sister-in-law 1.??? old 2.??? says Wurlitzer on it 3.??? will not need a truck to move it 4.??? lady at the antique store says it plays small discs...but could not find any. 1-3 make it sound like a wallbox or a tabletop juke...dreaming.. Number 4 completely throws me off.? Again,? this is all third party information so may be completely inaccurate. I will find out the weekend of 14 Jan when we see them again..weather willing. Any ideas? Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com Sun Dec 27 20:31:15 2009 From: mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com (mark bowman) Date: Sun Dec 27 21:41:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume Message-ID: Hi an odd problem with my Packard Manhattan, the amplifier keeps surging in volume imeadiatly prior to this ther is a click which sounds like a relay clicking from inside the cabinet. About a second after this the volume raises to what I reakon is usual volume for an amp of this size, on normal opperation the volume is pretty poor. Originally thought it was a pre amp problem as the pick up is a replacement cartridge, however substitution of this item still shows the same symptoms. I have a workshop manual but it gives me no clues as to what the problem may be. The box only used to do this at the start and end of a record, making me think it was a switch out of adjustment off the camshaft which put a booster feed to the amp in order to warm it up out of sleeper mode. However on looking at the manual there doesnt seem to be such a feature on the machine. The fault now comes and goes at any time the record is playing. It's got me stumped. The amp was sort of rebuilt before I bought the machine, could it be a dry joint on that? Any help would be much appreciated. From pinball at telus.net Sun Dec 27 21:49:04 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Dec 27 21:50:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT In-Reply-To: <5ED88BB3614243148F3A2AE24D8C3DF1@p4> References: <5ED88BB3614243148F3A2AE24D8C3DF1@p4> Message-ID: <4B3846D0.4030301@telus.net> SSG Rich Myers wrote: > Ok..here's one that might take some out of the box thinking. Roads here in > western Missouri were to bad to travel this weekend. My wife told me that > my in-laws have a xmas gift for me but would not tell me what it > was.exactly. Maybe together we can figure it out.Here is the description my > wife gave me.because she does not really know what it is either. The > description came from my sister-in-law > > > > 1. old > 2. says Wurlitzer on it > 3. will not need a truck to move it > 4. lady at the antique store says it plays small discs...but could not > find any. > > > > > > 1-3 make it sound like a wallbox or a tabletop juke...dreaming.. > > > > Number 4 completely throws me off. > > > > Again, this is all third party information so may be completely inaccurate. > I will find out the weekend of 14 Jan when we see them again..weather > willing. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Rich > > It could be the small desktop Wurlitzer CD-Bubbler from Crosley...about 18 inches high. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Dec 27 23:21:59 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Dec 27 23:25:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume Message-ID: <20091228.022159.6899.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hello, Mark: The problem you are describing could be caused by several things. First, the "booster" circuit you are referring to operates the tube filaments. When the machine is at rest, the tube filaments are kept minimally warm at about half of their normal voltage. The amplifier's power supply is also shut off in this mode. When the machine gets a "play" command the tube filaments are switched to a higher-than-normal voltage for a short time to enable a quick warmup while the record changer is in search mode. (This is what the relay switches) When normal operating voltages are reached, the relay switches back to a normal mode. Both Packard and some Wurlitzer jukes of the 40's used this warm-up circuit. The relay circuit usually receives it's monitoring information from a high voltage tap in the 6L6 output circuit. Problems with the power supply (faulty 5U4 tube?) could cause a condition like this. A defective (shorted) 6L6 will make the relay trip falsely. Here are a few other facts that might help: The accidental switching of the "quick-heat" circuit during record play shouldn't have an significant effect on the music volume. There's another fault at work in the amp causing the low volume problem. I don't know what you mean when saying the amp is partially rebuilt. If all capacitors in the amp havent been replaced the problem is likely to be here. Old capacitors deteriorate over time, and usually last 15-20 years. If your amp has original capacitors in use, they are way beyond their time. Tubes and capacitors that are in marginal condition may work but will thermally fail as they got hot with use. I'm quite sure you'll find your lack-of-volume problem lies here. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=pOCMTNMY9jjSJCsuMPWghAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Dec 27 23:45:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Dec 27 23:48:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT Message-ID: <20091228.024546.6899.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I saw an unusual sale ad for a jukebox in the Michigan Craigslist recently. It's probably pulled now. In his ad copy, the seller was listing for sale a jukebox, make and model unknown, but it must it be a good quality one because it's very heavy. He doesn't know anything about the unit other than nothing was broken or smashed on it. No word on whether it works or not. He's going to sell to the best offer he gets. He thinks the machine should sell for about $125, based on his guesstimate that it weighs about 250 lbs. It should sell for .50 cents a pound. He would accept lower offers for a quick sale (starting at $1.00 !) so he wouldn't have to load/unload it out of his pickup truck bed. A grainy single cellphone picture let you see that he had a beatup Seeburg LPC480 in his truck,laying on it's back. First time I ever heard of a jukebox being sold by the pound. Maybe this fellow is a butcher. Just thought I'd share with the group. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=tN836m-BpKz5bWHsukbNIwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= From mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com Mon Dec 28 02:20:05 2009 From: mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com (mark bowman) Date: Mon Dec 28 02:21:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume Message-ID: Thanks for the Info Jim thats a bit more for me to go on, the capacitors were alegidally all replaced before I bought it the bloke said it kept blowing valves, I was hoping it would be a switch adjustment but I guess it's a trip to Maplins for a bunch of new caps and pulling the amp out to see what the values are. I see the relay now in the diagram and 6V6GT valve with contact A N/C, and B N/O, I am guessing the capacitor values on the diagram data sheet show the unit of capacitance in Micro farads and the other figure being the voltage range.I guess this will be evident from the size of the capacitors once the chasis is removed. The blinkin thing is fighting me all the way mind as the tone arm is getting clobbered by the record tray and is catching on the record tray as it lifts the record off the turntable hence jamming the blinkin thing. If its not one thing it's another ha ha. Just got a Seeburg Envoy which is being shipped from the states, it said it only needs fine tuneing, and like the packard its had the amp rebuilt alegidally! From pinplayers at gmail.com Mon Dec 28 07:23:54 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Mon Dec 28 07:25:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Looking for a Rock-ola Lyric Wall mount CD Jukebox Message-ID: <8cf1842e0912280723u21b7fc76g9e4320b3e44efc41@mail.gmail.com> Hello all I'm looking for a Rock-ola Wall mount Lyric Juke I believe they came out around 2000-01 time frame. I?m in the Northeast and willing to travel up to 350 miles from Albany NY. If you have one or can provide any leads please drop me a line. Happy Holidays, Don. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 28 08:20:12 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 28 08:21:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT In-Reply-To: <20091228.024546.6899.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <398550.89765.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, and all, Yea--laying in his truck--Watch out--he probably watered it down to add weight !? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/27/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 11:45 PM Gentlemen: I saw an unusual sale ad for a jukebox in the Michigan Craigslist recently.???It's probably pulled now. In his ad copy, the seller was listing for sale a jukebox, make and model unknown, but it must it be a good quality one because it's very heavy.???He doesn't know anything about the unit other than nothing was broken or smashed on it. No word on whether it works or not.???He's going to sell to the best offer he gets.? He thinks? the machine should sell for about $125, based on his guesstimate? that it weighs about 250 lbs.???It should sell for .50 cents a pound.???He would accept lower offers for a quick sale (starting at $1.00 !) so he wouldn't have to load/unload it out of his pickup truck bed. A grainy single cellphone picture let you see that he had a beatup Seeburg LPC480 in his truck,laying on it's back. First time I ever heard of a jukebox being sold by the pound.???Maybe this fellow is a butcher. Just thought I'd share with the group. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=tN836m-BpKz5bWHsukbNIwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Dec 28 11:11:43 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Dec 28 11:14:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume Message-ID: <20091228.141143.4670.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Mark: Based upon your letter, I suggest the following: Do you have the service manual and amplifier schematic for your Packard? If this helps, the amplifier is the same as used in the Packard Pla-Mor Model 7. Supposedly there are a lot more model 7's and service books in circulation than there are for the Manhattan model. Can you get a technician who knows vacuum tube technology to give you an assist to help you diagnose your amplifier problem? If all the caps were recently replaced (you can tell by looking) you shouldn't have to change them all again. Try substituting other tubes for the 5U4 rectifier and 6L6 (or 6V6) power output tubes. Tubes with shorts could cause the condition you described to happen. Testing the tubes on a tube checker will not show an intermittent condition. If the condition gets worse as the amp gets hotter, the thermally caused failure is generally due to a tube or capacitors--most other electronic components used in your amp are not temperature sensitive. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=o2d1GgeWWeCgzVs19L0xPAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From bobe at halted.com Mon Dec 28 10:55:56 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Mon Dec 28 11:15:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT Message-ID: <2.2.32.20091228185556.0099db74@hsces.com> At 09:33 PM 12/27/2009 -0800, you wrote: >I'll bet along with Jim that it's probably one of the "knock-off" small plastic radio's in a cabinet made to resemble the 1015--but I hope it's "somethin great" ! Let us know-- Ron Rich > My dad has several of these little plastic toys. One is about 10" tall, looks vaguely like a 1015, and has little tape cassettes that plug in and play things like "Rock around the clock" and the like. I think there may also be one that plays little "phonograph" records that are about 1 1/2" in diameter, but I'm not sure. I know he has one that looks like a crank-phonograph that plays these small disks. Cute little novelties, but not much for playing music at parties! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 28 14:18:59 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Dec 28 14:20:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mech video Message-ID: <171569.98238.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had some time to fool around with my trashcan this past weekend. I got it to start cycling but a few trays are stuck 1/3 of the way out. The motor spins but that's about it. This all happened when I pushed one of the contacts closed towards the front of the mech. Interestingly, when the motor began spinning the pilaster lights came on and two amp tubes that appeared dead suddenly sprang to life! I have an old manual and tried to understand the principle of operation but after several wines the 1940-ish prose merely bounced off my head. I seem to recall someone posting some vids, either on YouTube or elsewhere showing the operation of this Seeburg mech. Anyone out there remember that too or know where to find them? I'd love to see a properly operating mech go through its paces as a point of reference. Also, if you know how to manually get the trays back into non-playing position, I'd appreciate some guidance. TIA if anyone can help. Bob - Chicago From pinball at telus.net Mon Dec 28 14:40:27 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Dec 28 14:42:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mech video In-Reply-To: <171569.98238.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <171569.98238.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B3933DB.1090803@telus.net> NotarySojac wrote: > I had some time to fool around with my trashcan this past weekend. > > I got it to start cycling but a few trays are stuck 1/3 of the way out. The motor spins but that's about it. > > This all happened when I pushed one of the contacts closed towards the front of the mech. > > Interestingly, when the motor began spinning the pilaster lights came on and two amp tubes that appeared dead > suddenly sprang to life! > > I have an old manual and tried to understand the principle of operation but after several wines the 1940-ish prose merely bounced off my head. > > I seem to recall someone posting some vids, either on YouTube or elsewhere showing the operation of this Seeburg mech. > > Anyone out there remember that too or know where to find them? I'd love to see a properly operating mech go through its paces as a point of reference. Also, if you know how to manually get the trays back into non-playing position, I'd appreciate some guidance. > > TIA if anyone can help. > > Bob - Chicago It's been a while - 15 years or so - since I last worked on a Freeburg(Freeborg?) Seeburg 20 Selection mechanism. You can simply slid the trays to the left, they will latch in place - if stiff to move check if the slides are greased and thus if the grease has turned to glue... The selection process (as I recall) is simple - the drum on the rear rotates until the arm detects a selected coil plunger (a record selection). It stops there, this releases the catch for that tray, then when the arm slides the vertical rack sideways it pulls that tray along with it. I am sure someone with a mechanism in hand can do a much better description, or shoot a video of the action. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 28 15:48:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 28 15:49:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mech video In-Reply-To: <4B3933DB.1090803@telus.net> Message-ID: <660394.60068.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, John has about 15 years on me here--been at least 30 since I really had to work on one-- Seems to me that you will need to "back-off" the motor before shoving the trays back--just look at the rear, and I think you can see how it works--there is a "comb" back there that is easy to damage--remove it if it looks like somethings going to "bend"-- On the "dead" lamps--one of the switches on the outside rear of the cabinet switches the lamp circuit between "normal" (always on it if the power is turned on) (for the lamps only) to powered only with the motor--tubes are always connected this way-- Ask our "Trashcan" Expert--Jackie--maybe she can help !!! (bet she can !)? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/28/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mech video To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 2:40 PM NotarySojac wrote: > I had some time to fool around with my trashcan this past weekend. > I got it to start cycling but a few trays are stuck 1/3 of the way out. The motor spins but that's about it. > > This all happened when I pushed one of the contacts closed towards the front of the mech. > > Interestingly, when the motor began spinning the pilaster lights came on and two amp tubes that appeared dead suddenly sprang to life! > > I have an old manual and tried to understand the principle of operation but after several wines the 1940-ish prose merely bounced off my head. > > I seem to recall someone posting some vids, either on YouTube or elsewhere showing the operation of this Seeburg mech. > > Anyone out there remember that too or know where to find them? I'd love to see a properly operating mech go through its paces as a point of reference. Also, if you know how to manually get the trays back into non-playing position, I'd appreciate some guidance. > > TIA if anyone can help. > > Bob - Chicago It's been a while - 15 years or so - since I last worked on a Freeburg(Freeborg?) Seeburg 20 Selection mechanism. You can simply slid the trays to the left, they will latch in place - if stiff to move check if the slides are greased and thus if the grease has turned to glue... The selection process (as I recall) is simple - the drum on the rear rotates until the arm detects a selected coil plunger (a record selection). It stops there, this releases the catch for that tray, then when the arm slides the vertical rack sideways it pulls that tray along with it. I am sure someone with a mechanism in hand can do a much better description, or shoot a video of the action. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 28 15:58:06 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Mon Dec 28 15:59:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume References: <20091228.141143.4670.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <66F509C171BD44C3AE375F82AAAA7C90@dirksen> Mark - like Jim says, you better get a service manual. The Packard mech is "touchy" and will eat records quickly if not adjusted properly. It does have a clutch that will "slip" in case of a jam up so no real damage occurs, but many times hardened grease or a mis-adjusted clutch will render this feature useless. I've seen broken cams on these mechs, so if your tonearm is still hitting the record ring, I wouldn't operate it until you fix that . Packard mech parts are very difficult to find. There are minor differences between the Manhattan and Pla-mor mechanisms, and the amps are different. Victory Glass sells both manuals so make sure you get the right one. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume Mark: Based upon your letter, I suggest the following: Do you have the service manual and amplifier schematic for your Packard? If this helps, the amplifier is the same as used in the Packard Pla-Mor Model 7. Supposedly there are a lot more model 7's and service books in circulation than there are for the Manhattan model. Can you get a technician who knows vacuum tube technology to give you an assist to help you diagnose your amplifier problem? If all the caps were recently replaced (you can tell by looking) you shouldn't have to change them all again. Try substituting other tubes for the 5U4 rectifier and 6L6 (or 6V6) power output tubes. Tubes with shorts could cause the condition you described to happen. Testing the tubes on a tube checker will not show an intermittent condition. If the condition gets worse as the amp gets hotter, the thermally caused failure is generally due to a tube or capacitors--most other electronic components used in your amp are not temperature sensitive. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.122/2590 - Release Date: 12/28/09 02:16:00 From edbosack at yahoo.com Mon Dec 28 16:55:41 2009 From: edbosack at yahoo.com (Edward Bosack) Date: Mon Dec 28 17:03:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurltizer 2510 turntable motor problem Message-ID: <630785.19405.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The turntable motor on my Wurlitzer 2510 stops at times between plays intermittently. To correct the problem, i just open the lid an give the pulley a gentle nudge and it starts working again. It is noted the turntable only stops working between plays when the record is changing...it never stops during the record. Almost all records sound good when it is working (i.e., they don't seem to play slow). The problem gets worse (happens more frequently) after playing for a few hours. I suspect the heat has something to do with this. I did place oil in one oil tube i can see near the top of the juke. Is there another place to oil this motor? Could the problem be something with the brushes in the motor. Thanks for your help. Ed. From bobe at halted.com Mon Dec 28 16:56:47 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Mon Dec 28 17:16:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mech video Message-ID: <2.2.32.20091229005647.009ad6c4@hsces.com> At 02:18 PM 12/28/2009 -0800, you wrote: > >I seem to recall someone posting some vids, either on YouTube or elsewhere showing the operation of this Seeburg mech. A thought just occurred to me: I was wondering if any of the reproduction people made domes for Trashcans out of clear plastic...you could have a visible mechanism juke fairly easily that way, just add a couple small light bulbs! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From edbosack at yahoo.com Mon Dec 28 16:52:40 2009 From: edbosack at yahoo.com (Edward Bosack) Date: Mon Dec 28 17:20:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2510 turntable motor stops Message-ID: <205885.26536.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The turntable motor on my wurlitzer 2510 stops at times between plays intermitently. To correct the problem, i just open the lid an give the pulley a gentle nudge and it starts working again. It is noted the turntable only stops working between plays when the record is changing...it never stops during the record. Almost all records sound good when it is working (i.e., they don't seem to play slow). The problem gets worse (happens more frequently) after playing for a few hours. I suspect the heat has something to do with this. I did place oil in one oil tube i can see near the top of the juke. Is there another place to oil this motor? Could the problem be something with the brushes in the motor. Thanks for your help. Ed. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Dec 28 17:57:28 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Dec 28 18:00:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2510 turntable motor stops Message-ID: <20091228.205728.25579.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Hello, Ed: The TT motor is an AC induction motor and does not have brushes in it's construction. The motor itself needs to be lubed at both it's front and rear bearings. Possibly old oil has become gooey, and is causing friction for the motor shaft. Some of the motors did not have oil cups for both bearings. You'll need to oil it manually. Some, but not all motors have an on-board thermal cutoff switch if too much heat is sensed in the motor coils. Motors from 2 different manufacturers were used for these machines. Some of the last built 2500 series jukes were equipped with a dual speed setup, to handle both 45 and 33 RPM records. These motors will have two TT motor pulleys,switched by a solenoid and uses 2 belts. The speed change setup, if not working/adjusted correctly can shut the motor off. 7" records with either large or small center holes trip the speed sense mech. The 45 only machines have a single motor pulley. These motors also use a gear drive at the motor shaft to drive the turntable belt pulley. The gears should have a grease-type lubricantion them like White Lithium grease or Lubriplate. If you remove the turntable drivebelt is the turntable and flywheel rotating freely and smoothly? It should. Maybe lubrication is needed here (oil in center top bearing, lithium grease on center spindle shaft mech) If this is dragging,this may explain why the TT motor overheats after awhile. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=j7vDZR_lDuncO-eGms5ZqQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com Tue Dec 29 06:03:40 2009 From: mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com (mark bowman) Date: Tue Dec 29 06:05:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume In-Reply-To: <66F509C171BD44C3AE375F82AAAA7C90@dirksen> References: <20091228.141143.4670.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> <66F509C171BD44C3AE375F82AAAA7C90@dirksen> Message-ID: Hi thanks again for the advice, It is interesting to note that you said the pla-mor and manhattan mech's and amps are slightly different. The record magazine and the tone arm both carry the legend Packard Pla-Mor on my machibne as does the amp! I have looked atr as many pictures as possible on the net but none have a close up of the Manhattan record deck. I have suspicion that both the manhattan and the pla-mor had the same labeling, either that or my machine has been made up of a box of bits although the serial number on the badge on the deck that being a model 37 is the same as the badge screwed to the back of the machine that being model 76. I have a service manual for thew manhattan it is as good as useless with no information on the amp other than how to set the volume control, and a circuit diagram but no explination of opperation especially wirth regards to the warm up relay. According to the service manual which is made up of 30 or so loose pages the amp is a model 78 this is the same as which is stamped on the plate on the back of mine. There are two big metal can capacitors which look original one definatly is,as it carries the serial number as denoted on the schematic and is a multi tap cap strung across a voltage divider on the anodes of the pre amp valves. TRhe other one is a replacement on the mains energiser of the load speaker, this being a 3 prong device, with the diagram saying it should be 20, 20 & 15 uF, however the one fitted is 47,47 & 22 uF item! The warm up relay energises and stays switched in continuously apart from when a record is selected, then it clicks out accompnied by a load hum on the amp and an increase in volume and then in again. All the other capacitors look pretty new they arnt of the weeping wax variety common on amps of this age howevewr I think it would be worth replacing them as they may have been cooked on instalation. One other odd point is a 25uF electrolytic has been connected to the middle bade of the relay (1Earth) and the earth side of the relay coil, this goes to pin 8 of one of the 6V6 valves which I beleive is the cathode. This isnt shown on the circuit diagram. Cheeres all Mark > Mark - like Jim says, you better get a service manual. The Packard mech is > "touchy" and will eat records quickly if not adjusted properly. It does > have a clutch that will "slip" in case of a jam up so no real damage > occurs, but many times hardened grease or a mis-adjusted clutch will > render this feature useless. I've seen broken cams on these mechs, so if > your tonearm is still hitting the record ring, I wouldn't operate it until > you fix that . Packard mech parts are very difficult to find. > > There are minor differences between the Manhattan and Pla-mor mechanisms, > and the amps are different. Victory Glass sells both manuals so make sure > you get the right one. Good luck, > > Jim Dirksen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Alexander" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume > > > > > Mark: > > Based upon your letter, I suggest the following: > > Do you have the service manual and amplifier schematic for your Packard? > If this helps, the amplifier is the same as used in the Packard Pla-Mor > Model 7. Supposedly there are a lot more model 7's and service books in > circulation than there are for the Manhattan model. > > Can you get a technician who knows vacuum tube technology to give you an > assist to help you diagnose your amplifier problem? If all the caps > were recently replaced (you can tell by looking) you shouldn't have to > change them all again. > > Try substituting other tubes for the 5U4 rectifier and 6L6 (or 6V6) power > output tubes. Tubes with shorts could cause the condition you described > to happen. Testing the tubes on a tube checker will not show an > intermittent condition. > If the condition gets worse as the amp gets hotter, the thermally caused > failure is generally due to a tube or capacitors--most other electronic > components used in your amp are not temperature sensitive. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Weight Loss Program > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=o2d1GgeWWeCgzVs19L0xPAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.122/2590 - Release Date: > 12/28/09 02:16:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From pinball at telus.net Tue Dec 29 10:49:57 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Dec 29 10:51:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume In-Reply-To: References: <20091228.141143.4670.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> <66F509C171BD44C3AE375F82AAAA7C90@dirksen> Message-ID: <4B3A4F55.2090409@telus.net> mark bowman wrote: > Hi thanks again for the advice, It is interesting to note that you > said the pla-mor and manhattan mech's and amps are > slightly different. The record magazine and the tone arm both carry > the legend Packard Pla-Mor on my machibne as > does the amp! I have looked atr as many pictures as possible on the > net but none have a close up of the > Manhattan record deck. I have suspicion that both the manhattan and > the pla-mor had the same labeling, > either that or my machine has been made up of a box of bits although > the serial number on the badge on > the deck that being a model 37 is the same as the badge screwed to the > back of the machine that being > model 76. I have a service manual for thew manhattan it is as good as > useless with no information on the > amp other than how to set the volume control, and a circuit diagram > but no explination of opperation > especially wirth regards to the warm up relay. According to the > service manual which is made up of > 30 or so loose pages the amp is a model 78 this is the same as which > is stamped on the plate on the > back of mine. There are two big metal can capacitors which look > original one definatly is,as it carries > the serial number as denoted on the schematic and is a multi tap cap > strung across a voltage divider > on the anodes of the pre amp valves. TRhe other one is a replacement > on the mains energiser of the > load speaker, this being a 3 prong device, with the diagram saying it > should be 20, 20 & 15 uF, > however the one fitted is 47,47 & 22 uF item! > > The warm up relay energises and stays switched in continuously apart > from when a record is > selected, then it clicks out accompnied by a load hum on the amp and > an increase in volume > and then in again. All the other capacitors look pretty new they arnt > of the weeping wax variety > common on amps of this age howevewr I think it would be worth > replacing them as they may > have been cooked on instalation. One other odd point is a 25uF > electrolytic has been connected > to the middle bade of the relay (1Earth) and the earth side of the > relay coil, this goes to pin 8 of > one of the 6V6 valves which I beleive is the cathode. This isnt shown > on the circuit diagram. > Cheeres all > Mark There is normally a 25ufd capacitor on the cathodes of output tubes. It may not show in the schematic as connected at the relay, but it should be there between the relay and the cathode of the 6V6 (and later amps' 6L6) tubes. John :-#)# > >> Mark - like Jim says, you better get a service manual. The Packard >> mech is "touchy" and will eat records quickly if not adjusted >> properly. It does have a clutch that will "slip" in case of a jam up >> so no real damage occurs, but many times hardened grease or a >> mis-adjusted clutch will render this feature useless. I've seen >> broken cams on these mechs, so if your tonearm is still hitting the >> record ring, I wouldn't operate it until you fix that . Packard mech >> parts are very difficult to find. >> >> There are minor differences between the Manhattan and Pla-mor >> mechanisms, and the amps are different. Victory Glass sells both >> manuals so make sure you get the right one. Good luck, >> >> Jim Dirksen >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" >> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume >> >> >> >> >> Mark: >> >> Based upon your letter, I suggest the following: >> >> Do you have the service manual and amplifier schematic for your >> Packard? If this helps, the amplifier is the same as used in the >> Packard Pla-Mor Model 7. Supposedly there are a lot more model 7's >> and service books in circulation than there are for the Manhattan model. >> >> Can you get a technician who knows vacuum tube technology to give you >> an assist to help you diagnose your amplifier problem? If all the >> caps were recently replaced (you can tell by looking) you shouldn't >> have to change them all again. >> >> Try substituting other tubes for the 5U4 rectifier and 6L6 (or 6V6) >> power output tubes. Tubes with shorts could cause the condition you >> described to happen. Testing the tubes on a tube checker will not >> show an intermittent condition. >> If the condition gets worse as the amp gets hotter, the thermally >> caused failure is generally due to a tube or capacitors--most other >> electronic components used in your amp are not temperature sensitive. >> >> Jim Alexander -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 29 11:27:16 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 29 11:30:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume Message-ID: <20091229.142716.26103.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Hello Mark: Since we started talking about your Packard Manhattan, I've gotten out my service manual for this machine, which is a recent AMR reprint that has a publish date of 1983. The record changer deck shown in the drawings is a model 37. The amplifier used in this machine is a model 78. The amp uses 1-5Y3,2- 6V6 and 3-6SN7 tubes in it. Hope this helps with the ID of your components. The tube filament relay operates in the push-pull 6V6 cathode circuit. There should normally be 20 volts bias on the 2 cathodes ((pin 8). If there is a defective capacitor 20 mfd @ 25 volts, this could cause the voltage to be off. So could a shorted 6V6 tube. On your schematic, the capacitor is part # 78-19D, which means it is probably part of a 4 section can capacitor. The relay switches tube filament connections "A" and "B" B is the normal 6.3 volt filament voltage. Line A is the higher filament voltage (value not given) for fast warmup. Low voltage at the relay coil causes the relay to open to the A position. During play the relay should stay closed,which supplies 6.3V to the tube filaments. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=SxtbJoDUvRV_ssakRFHqJwAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Dec 29 11:56:07 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron H) Date: Tue Dec 29 12:03:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mech video In-Reply-To: <171569.98238.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <171569.98238.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, Let's talk off list when you get a chance. I can send you videos or pictures directly for anything you need for your Trashcan. Aaron On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 5:18 PM, NotarySojac wrote: > I had some time to fool around with my trashcan this past weekend. > > I got it to start cycling but a few trays are stuck 1/3 of the way out. The > motor spins but that's about it. > > This all happened when I pushed one of the contacts closed towards the > front of the mech. > > Interestingly, when the motor began spinning the pilaster lights came on > and two amp tubes that appeared dead > suddenly sprang to life! > > I have an old manual and tried to understand the principle of operation but > after several wines the 1940-ish prose merely bounced off my head. > > I seem to recall someone posting some vids, either on YouTube or elsewhere > showing the operation of this Seeburg mech. > > Anyone out there remember that too or know where to find them? I'd love to > see a properly operating mech go through its paces as a point of reference. > Also, if you know how to manually get the trays back into non-playing > position, I'd appreciate some guidance. > > TIA if anyone can help. > > Bob - Chicago > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > -- Aaron Heverin From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 29 12:17:13 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Tue Dec 29 12:18:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Clear Lid - Was:Trashcan mech video Message-ID: <718425.4408.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hmmm... sounds intriguing. However, then you would loose the effect of that lovely color cylinder that lives at the top of the dome. Frankly, I like the colors changing more than watching a record spin. I can see the colors from across the room but would have to stand on tip-toes to see the turntable and stuff. My tuppence! Bob >Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:56:47 -0800 >From: Bob Ellingson >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mech video >To: Jukebox mailing list >Message-ID: <2.2.32.20091229005647.009ad6c4@hsces.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >A thought just occurred to me: I was wondering if any of the reproduction >people made domes for Trashcans out of clear plastic...you could have a >visible mechanism juke fairly easily that way, just add a couple small light >bulbs! > >--Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 29 12:32:07 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 29 12:33:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Clear Lid - Was:Trashcan mech video In-Reply-To: <718425.4408.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44276.69445.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Great Idea--how 'bout a clear dome along with a color wheel ? Would see the changing colors from a distance, could still see the mech, if up close--if you were not "height challenged"-- Willing to bet Seeburg never thought of that---(Obvious that they were searching for a way to "spice-up" that cabinet)? IMHO, that would be the "best of both worlds"-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/29/09, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] Clear Lid - Was:Trashcan mech video To: "Jukebox List" Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:17 PM Hmmm... sounds intriguing. However, then you would loose the effect of that lovely color cylinder that lives at the top of the dome. Frankly, I like the colors changing more than watching a record spin. I can see the colors from across the room but would have to stand on tip-toes to see the turntable and stuff. My tuppence! Bob >Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:56:47 -0800 >From: Bob Ellingson >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Trashcan mech video >To: Jukebox mailing list >Message-ID: <2.2.32.20091229005647.009ad6c4@hsces.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >A thought just occurred to me:? I was wondering if any of the reproduction >people made domes for Trashcans out of clear plastic...you could have a >visible mechanism juke fairly easily that way, just add a couple small light >bulbs! > >--Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc.? ? ? ? ? ? http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051? USA? ? ? ? ? ? (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Dec 29 13:29:20 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Dec 29 13:30:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Merry Christmas. Message-ID: Hi guys. Happy belated holiday. Just a photo for you of the 30 Christmas records I had in the W3200 in my office this year. I have a couple import 45s that didn't make it here in time that'll go in next year. Harry Belafonte's "12 Days of Christmas" and a John Denver/Muppets one. Eartha Kitt's "Santa Baby," an original issue, was a recent find just a couple weeks ago. The center title strip rack's been removed and replaced in the upper window with 2 shortened ones from a Seeburg so the records can be seen playing. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Wurlitzer%20references/xmasrecs2009.jpg?t=1262121831 Here's a photo of the AMI JAL I refreshed and delivered to friends in Lake Tahoe for Christmas. The reptile skin sides work well with the rustic theme. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20JAL200/100_2696.jpg?t=1262121557 Spending 5 days in a 4 million dollar Chalet for Christmas didn't suck! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20JAL200/100_2701.jpg?t=1262121715 Sorry to have been so absent. I do read up now and then but just don't have a lot of time to post. I'm not using my computer at home much and work keeps me busy. I'm thankful to have work in this economy. You all have a wonderful and safe 2010. I do have a Seebooger SE100 coming up next, so if I need anything, I know where to come. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Dec 29 13:58:07 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Dec 29 13:59:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Unknown Wurlitzer...little OT In-Reply-To: <20091228200003.89E4AAAE8E@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20091228200003.89E4AAAE8E@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: HA! I've seen on Craigslist, eBay, and in antique shops 1970s and even 1980s jukeboxes with digital readouts listed as "1950s jukebox." People really don't know. Sounds like a wallbox or a tabletopper to me. I just saw a table top Wurlitzer in the back room of an antique mall. I should go back and ask them about it. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From klaba at klaba.net Tue Dec 29 13:59:16 2009 From: klaba at klaba.net (Klaba) Date: Tue Dec 29 14:00:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Merry Christmas. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88D93262-21E6-4E73-8974-667409196E93@klaba.net> Hi Cool records, especially those Ronettes / Crystals. My favourite this christmas was OTIS REDDING: WHITE CHRISTMAS / MERRY CHRISTMAS BABY -Klaba- Mechanical Music of S.F. kirjoitti 29.12.2009 kello 23.29: > > Hi guys. > Happy belated holiday. > > Just a photo for you of the 30 Christmas records I had in the W3200 in my office this year. > I have a couple import 45s that didn't make it here in time that'll go in next year. Harry Belafonte's "12 Days of Christmas" and a John Denver/Muppets one. Eartha Kitt's "Santa Baby," an original issue, was a recent find just a couple weeks ago. > The center title strip rack's been removed and replaced in the upper window with 2 shortened ones from a Seeburg so the records can be seen playing. > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Wurlitzer%20references/xmasrecs2009.jpg?t=1262121831 > > > Here's a photo of the AMI JAL I refreshed and delivered to friends in Lake Tahoe for Christmas. > The reptile skin sides work well with the rustic theme. > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20JAL200/100_2696.jpg?t=1262121557 > > Spending 5 days in a 4 million dollar Chalet for Christmas didn't suck! > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20JAL200/100_2701.jpg?t=1262121715 > > Sorry to have been so absent. I do read up now and then but just don't have a lot of time to post. I'm not using my computer at home much and work keeps me busy. I'm thankful to have work in this economy. > > You all have a wonderful and safe 2010. > I do have a Seebooger SE100 coming up next, so if I need anything, I know where to come. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Dec 29 14:07:47 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Dec 29 14:09:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Jukebox by the pound. In-Reply-To: <20091228200003.89E4AAAE8E@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20091228200003.89E4AAAE8E@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: That's hilarious. Hey, a decent LPC-480 is worth $100 bucks if it's all there. Wouldn't hurt to take a look. Good thing is this guy knows he doesn't know squat about it. You go look, tell him this or that is wrong or missing (Missing stepper can be pointed out and say "It won't work without this missing unit") and to get it running will cost $400 in parts plus 20 hours of your time. Offer $50, wash it down (with a hose - fan dry for 24 hours), rebuild speed unit ($30) and sell juke for $550. Or, part it out. ------------------------------ Gentlemen: I saw an unusual sale ad for a jukebox in the Michigan Craigslist recently. It's probably pulled now. In his ad copy, the seller was listing for sale a jukebox, make and model unknown, but it must it be a good quality one because it's very heavy. He doesn't know anything about the unit other than nothing was broken or smashed on it. No word on whether it works or not. He's going to sell to the best offer he gets. He thinks the machine should sell for about $125, based on his guesstimate that it weighs about 250 lbs. It should sell for .50 cents a pound. He would accept lower offers for a quick sale (starting at $1.00 !) so he wouldn't have to load/unload it out of his pickup truck bed. A grainy single cellphone picture let you see that he had a beatup Seeburg LPC480 in his truck,laying on it's back. First time I ever heard of a jukebox being sold by the pound. Maybe this fellow is a butcher. Just thought I'd share with the group. Jim Alexander _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Dec 29 14:12:30 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Dec 29 14:14:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Message-ID: Don, Craigslist. eBay. Also, call your local vending companies. Ask if they have any used wall mount jukeboxes for sale. The guys here aren't usually into CD jukes, although we all do have our weird contacts and I know a few deal with operators. This age of machine should actually be coming up for sale more frequently. Hope some of this helped. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco -------------------- Looking for a Rock-ola Lyric Wall mount CD Jukebox To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <8cf1842e0912280723u21b7fc76g9e4320b3e44efc41@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hello all I'm looking for a Rock-ola Wall mount Lyric Juke I believe they came out around 2000-01 time frame. I?m in the Northeast and willing to travel up to 350 miles from Albany NY. If you have one or can provide any leads please drop me a line. Happy Holidays, Don. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Tue Dec 29 14:31:30 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Tue Dec 29 14:33:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Looking for a Rock-ola Lyric Wall mount CD Message-ID: Apologies. My last reply didn't have a subject. Don, Craigslist. Search combinations of RockOla, Rock Ola, jukebox, juke box. Craigslist searches are specific and a search, for example, of "jukebox" won't find the often used "juke box." Set up a couple saved searches on eBay. Also, call your local vending companies. They had then originally, so it makes sense that they'd be selling them. Ask if they have any used wall mount jukeboxes for sale. The guys here aren't usually into CD jukes, although we all do have our weird contacts and I know a few deal with operators. This age of machine should actually be coming up for sale more frequently. Hope some of this helped. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco -------------------- Looking for a Rock-ola Lyric Wall mount CD Jukebox To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <8cf1842e0912280723u21b7fc76g9e4320b3e44efc41 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hello all I'm looking for a Rock-ola Wall mount Lyric Juke I believe they came out around 2000-01 time frame. I?m in the Northeast and willing to travel up to 350 miles from Albany NY. If you have one or can provide any leads please drop me a line. Happy Holidays, Don. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From dmcken at accesscomm.ca Tue Dec 29 13:49:01 2009 From: dmcken at accesscomm.ca (D & D McKen) Date: Tue Dec 29 14:49:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Merry Christmas. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B3A794D.3020500@accesscomm.ca> Soooo how did you get it up in the loft? Doug Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > Hi guys. > Happy belated holiday. > > Just a photo for you of the 30 Christmas records I had in the W3200 in my office this year. > I have a couple import 45s that didn't make it here in time that'll go in next year. Harry Belafonte's "12 Days of Christmas" and a John Denver/Muppets one. Eartha Kitt's "Santa Baby," an original issue, was a recent find just a couple weeks ago. > The center title strip rack's been removed and replaced in the upper window with 2 shortened ones from a Seeburg so the records can be seen playing. > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/Wurlitzer%20references/xmasrecs2009.jpg?t=1262121831 > > > Here's a photo of the AMI JAL I refreshed and delivered to friends in Lake Tahoe for Christmas. > The reptile skin sides work well with the rustic theme. > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20JAL200/100_2696.jpg?t=1262121557 > > Spending 5 days in a 4 million dollar Chalet for Christmas didn't suck! > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/JimDouglasJr/AMI%20JAL200/100_2701.jpg?t=1262121715 > > Sorry to have been so absent. I do read up now and then but just don't have a lot of time to post. I'm not using my computer at home much and work keeps me busy. I'm thankful to have work in this economy. > > You all have a wonderful and safe 2010. > I do have a Seebooger SE100 coming up next, so if I need anything, I know where to come. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Dec 29 14:51:35 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Dec 29 14:53:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Clear Lid - Was:Trashcan mech video In-Reply-To: <718425.4408.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <569350.36415.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> This is why I'm so looking forward to restoring the 148 hideaway that I have. You can totally remove the front and back panels (they just unlock and lift out), open the lid, and walk all around the machine watching the mechanism work. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 29 15:12:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 29 15:14:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Clear Lid - Was:Trashcan mech video In-Reply-To: <569350.36415.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <561403.65957.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, I think that I would replace the original doors with plexi glass doors--that way the mech would stay cleaner--- longer ? They tend to attract "dirt" if run without doors---? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/29/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Clear Lid - Was:Trashcan mech video To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:51 PM This is why I'm so looking forward to restoring the 148 hideaway that I have.? You can totally remove the front and back panels (they just unlock and lift out), open the lid, and walk all around the machine watching the mechanism work. David Breneman? ? ? ???david_breneman@yahoo.com ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 29 15:24:19 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (The Dirksen Family) Date: Tue Dec 29 15:25:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume References: <20091228.141143.4670.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com><66F509C171BD44C3AE375F82AAAA7C90@dirksen> Message-ID: <143661B224EC40F997F69FD6E008F55C@dirksen> You are right - the badges do say "Pla-mor" on both machines. The Manhattan amp is small and "squarish" while the Pla-mor amp is long and rectangular. The easy way to spot a Manhattan mech is to look at the main casting - the right front corner of the Pla-mor is rounded off (matches the turntable), while the Manhattan is squared off like the other corners. The Manhattan mech is gold colored with a larger record rack that supports the records better. I've seen silver and light blue mechs in the Pla-mor, with a much shorter record rack that exposes the top half of the records. The transfer arms are different, since the Manhattan arm has to travel between the rack while the Pla-mor arm travels above it. The Manhattan I owned used a rack style selector mechanism, but I can't say for sure when this change was made. Operators are well known for swapping parts, and it's entirely possible you have bits from one or both style machines. If you've ever done any factory work, you know that management doesn't like downtime on the production floor. Sometimes substitutions are made to get product out the door. As far as your 25uF cap on the relay, if you study the diagram more, the cap should go from pin 8 to ground. The ground on the relay was probably just used for ease of installation - electrically the amp knows no difference. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark bowman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume > Hi thanks again for the advice, It is interesting to note that you said > the > pla-mor and manhattan mech's and amps are > slightly different. The record magazine and the tone arm both carry the > legend Packard Pla-Mor on my machibne as > does the amp! I have looked atr as many pictures as possible on the net > but > none have a close up of the > Manhattan record deck. I have suspicion that both the manhattan and the > pla-mor had the same labeling, > either that or my machine has been made up of a box of bits although the > serial number on the badge on > the deck that being a model 37 is the same as the badge screwed to the > back > of the machine that being > model 76. I have a service manual for thew manhattan it is as good as > useless with no information on the > amp other than how to set the volume control, and a circuit diagram but no > explination of opperation > especially wirth regards to the warm up relay. According to the service > manual which is made up of > 30 or so loose pages the amp is a model 78 this is the same as which is > stamped on the plate on the > back of mine. There are two big metal can capacitors which look original > one > definatly is,as it carries > the serial number as denoted on the schematic and is a multi tap cap > strung > across a voltage divider > on the anodes of the pre amp valves. TRhe other one is a replacement on > the > mains energiser of the > load speaker, this being a 3 prong device, with the diagram saying it > should > be 20, 20 & 15 uF, > however the one fitted is 47,47 & 22 uF item! > > The warm up relay energises and stays switched in continuously apart from > when a record is > selected, then it clicks out accompnied by a load hum on the amp and an > increase in volume > and then in again. All the other capacitors look pretty new they arnt of > the weeping wax variety > common on amps of this age howevewr I think it would be worth replacing > them > as they may > have been cooked on instalation. One other odd point is a 25uF > electrolytic > has been connected > to the middle bade of the relay (1Earth) and the earth side of the relay > coil, this goes to pin 8 of > one of the 6V6 valves which I beleive is the cathode. This isnt shown on > the circuit diagram. > Cheeres all > Mark > >> Mark - like Jim says, you better get a service manual. The Packard mech >> is >> "touchy" and will eat records quickly if not adjusted properly. It does >> have a clutch that will "slip" in case of a jam up so no real damage >> occurs, but many times hardened grease or a mis-adjusted clutch will >> render this feature useless. I've seen broken cams on these mechs, so if >> your tonearm is still hitting the record ring, I wouldn't operate it >> until >> you fix that . Packard mech parts are very difficult to find. >> >> There are minor differences between the Manhattan and Pla-mor mechanisms, >> and the amps are different. Victory Glass sells both manuals so make sure >> you get the right one. Good luck, >> >> Jim Dirksen >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "James Alexander" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume >> >> >> >> >> Mark: >> >> Based upon your letter, I suggest the following: >> >> Do you have the service manual and amplifier schematic for your Packard? >> If this helps, the amplifier is the same as used in the Packard Pla-Mor >> Model 7. Supposedly there are a lot more model 7's and service books in >> circulation than there are for the Manhattan model. >> >> Can you get a technician who knows vacuum tube technology to give you an >> assist to help you diagnose your amplifier problem? If all the caps >> were recently replaced (you can tell by looking) you shouldn't have to >> change them all again. >> >> Try substituting other tubes for the 5U4 rectifier and 6L6 (or 6V6) power >> output tubes. Tubes with shorts could cause the condition you described >> to happen. Testing the tubes on a tube checker will not show an >> intermittent condition. >> If the condition gets worse as the amp gets hotter, the thermally caused >> failure is generally due to a tube or capacitors--most other electronic >> components used in your amp are not temperature sensitive. >> >> Jim Alexander >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Weight Loss Program >> Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=o2d1GgeWWeCgzVs19L0xPAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.122/2590 - Release Date: >> 12/28/09 02:16:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2592 - Release Date: 12/29/09 02:47:00 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 29 15:31:15 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 29 15:34:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Clear Lid - Was:Trashcan mech video Message-ID: <20091229.183115.2149.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: A lot of jukebox enthusiasts come up with ideas to build an replica part for an old machine,like your clear plexi dome for the Trashcan. You can generally go to a fabricator that works in plastics, plexiglas etc to give you a quote to build one unit or smake a small production run for you. The price will usually be pretty high, as the fabricator needs to recover his set up costs. The price per dome would go down a lot if you could make a production run of say 50 or 100 domes? The big question is can you find 49 other potential dome lid buyers?? That's a tough one and the reason you don't see many replica parts for some models. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=BafTxLDzktRt4D3LQnOitQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 29 15:38:04 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 29 15:41:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume Message-ID: <20091229.183804.2149.2@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Mark: A second thought--If that cathode bypass cap is bad, it will cause a loss of volume. This may be the solution to your sound problem. After seeing the Packard amp schematic, that unit should have sufficient gain to work with most ceramic phono cartridges. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=o4_XFpDTvE2K-ItFbe04kgAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Dec 29 15:45:19 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Dec 29 15:46:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Clear Lid - Was:Trashcan mech video In-Reply-To: <561403.65957.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <983454.88335.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Ron Rich wrote: > I think that I would replace the original doors with plexi > glass doors--that way the mech would stay cleaner--- longer > ? They tend to attract "dirt" if run without doors--- Hi, Ron - I was thinking I'd just remove the doors for a "demo", but if it becomes so popular that I'm demo'ing it a lot, I'll definitely need to do something like that! Then I'd need to find another big chrome "Seeburg" script logo to put on the plexiglass front door, just like is on the metal door! From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Dec 29 15:47:13 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Dec 29 15:48:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume In-Reply-To: <143661B224EC40F997F69FD6E008F55C@dirksen> Message-ID: <607098.75402.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a video of one of these operating? From the still pictures I've seen I think I have a pretty good idea what happens to get the record from the rack to the turntable, but I'd love to see one in operation. From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Tue Dec 29 15:53:21 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Tue Dec 29 15:55:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need NSM Schematic Message-ID: <4B3A9671.1090704@stny.rr.com> The manual for my NSM Concert 240-III is missing the section for the light organ. Now I've got a light stuck on, and need a schematic. The board is part number 217823A, and is for the ES4 Centrale. Anyone got a schematic that they can email to me? Jon Scaptura From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Dec 29 16:21:28 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Tue Dec 29 16:23:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need NSM Schematic Message-ID: <20091230002320.7E8B5AAB98@lists.netlojix.com> check my site under NSM folders. http://myersjukes.mine.nu -----Original Message----- Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:53:21 pm To: Jukebox mailing list From: Jon Scaptura Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need NSM Schematic The manual for my NSM Concert 240-III is missing the section for the light organ. Now I've got a light stuck on, and need a schematic. The board is part number 217823A, and is for the ES4 Centrale. Anyone got a schematic that they can email to me? Jon Scaptura _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From pinplayers at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 17:19:05 2009 From: pinplayers at gmail.com (Donald Whiting) Date: Tue Dec 29 17:20:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Looking for a Rock-ola Lyric Wall mount CD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cf1842e0912291719k7332cdddre1c9f4e90db6ad96@mail.gmail.com> Kyle thanks for the advice. I have been searching both Ebay and Craig's list for a few months now but have come up empty in the Northeast. I do have some operator contacts through my other passion Pinball. I Thought I had one lined up but the location did not want to give it up therefore the op couln'td sell it. I really enjoy the 45 jukes from the 50's and 60's however this particular Juke just caught my eye and I really like the old in line style exposed mech rock-ola used and the artwork on the glass. I thought it would be a great cd player to hook into my home speakers. Thanks again Don On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Mechanical Music of S.F. < mechanicalmusic@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Apologies. My last reply didn't have a subject. > Don, > Craigslist. Search combinations of RockOla, Rock Ola, jukebox, juke box. > Craigslist searches are specific and a search, > for example, of "jukebox" won't find the often used "juke box." > Set up a couple saved searches on eBay. > Also, call your local vending companies. They had then originally, so it > makes sense that they'd be selling them. > Ask if they have any used wall mount jukeboxes for sale. > The guys here aren't usually into CD jukes, although we all do have our > weird contacts and I know a few deal with operators. This age of machine > should actually be coming up for sale more frequently. > Hope some of this helped. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > -------------------- > > Looking for a Rock-ola Lyric Wall mount CD > Jukebox > To: Jukebox mailing list > Message-ID: > <8cf1842e0912280723u21b7fc76g9e4320b3e44efc41 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Hello all I'm looking for a Rock-ola Wall mount Lyric Juke I believe they > came out around 2000-01 time frame. I?m in the Northeast and willing to > travel up to 350 miles from Albany NY. If you have one or can provide any > leads please drop me a line. > > Happy Holidays, > Don. > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com Tue Dec 29 18:08:45 2009 From: mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com (mark bowman) Date: Tue Dec 29 18:10:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume In-Reply-To: <607098.75402.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <607098.75402.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5D333FCFC39E4568B1672D4ADD82B05B@MarkPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume > > Does anyone have a video of one of these operating? From > the still pictures I've seen I think I have a pretty good > idea what happens to get the record from the rack to the > turntable, but I'd love to see one in operation. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com Tue Dec 29 18:12:59 2009 From: mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com (mark bowman) Date: Tue Dec 29 18:14:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume In-Reply-To: <607098.75402.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <607098.75402.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David I put a Vid on you tube have a look on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DeiqA-gwj4 > > Does anyone have a video of one of these operating? From > the still pictures I've seen I think I have a pretty good > idea what happens to get the record from the rack to the > turntable, but I'd love to see one in operation. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Dec 29 18:52:06 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Dec 29 18:53:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <96779.64128.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 12/29/09, mark bowman wrote: > David I put a Vid on you tube have a > look on > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DeiqA-gwj4 I'm surprised at how fast the record rack scans. I had thought that the record was transferred into the loop (as a sort of cage) that lowered the record onto the turntable, but it looks like the record is just transferred onto the back of the loop. What holds the record in place? (Or is that the weakness of this system?) From edbap at aol.com Wed Dec 30 00:53:57 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 30 01:02:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C Bass? In-Reply-To: <96779.64128.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC5744C1D2AAB4-2324-1A385@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Recently delivered a Seeburg C with original amp, rebuilt by PR Novelty. Customer says the bass takes about 5 minutes to warm up, then sounds great, for about 15 minutes, then goes bad again. Sounds like maybe a tube issue. Any ideas? Thanks, Ed Baptista From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Wed Dec 30 03:43:01 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Wed Dec 30 03:44:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need NSM Schematic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B3B3CC5.7010308@stny.rr.com> I didn't have any luck finding it there. Thanks, Jon On 12/29/2009 7:21 PM, 19k20@comcast.net wrote: > check my site under NSM folders. http://myersjukes.mine.nu > -----Original Message----- > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:53:21 pm > To: Jukebox mailing list > From: Jon Scaptura > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need NSM Schematic > > The manual for my NSM Concert 240-III is missing the section for the > light organ. Now I've got a light stuck on, and need a schematic. The > board is part number 217823A, and is for the ES4 Centrale. > > Anyone got a schematic that they can email to me? > > Jon Scaptura > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > > From mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com Wed Dec 30 01:51:47 2009 From: mark.bowman5 at bigpond.com (mark bowman) Date: Wed Dec 30 04:12:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan surging volume In-Reply-To: <96779.64128.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <96779.64128.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > >> David I put a Vid on you tube have a >> look on >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DeiqA-gwj4 > > I'm surprised at how fast the record rack scans. I had > thought that the record was transferred into the loop > (as a sort of cage) that lowered the record onto the > turntable, but it looks like the record is just > transferred onto the back of the loop. What holds the > record in place? (Or is that the weakness of this system?) > > > > The record is clamped to the ring by 3 supports at the 12,3 & 6 > O'clock position. In its rest state the record ring is pressed against the > turntable back plate where the record slides into it from the magazine via > the transfer arms. The record ring then lowers onto the turntable and the > ring is slightly off centre where the turntable spindle enteres the hole > in the record pushing the record out of its clamp at 6 and 3 O'clock, then the ring sits slightly lower on the turntable than the record alowing it to spin. Clearence is small thus even a slight warp in the record causes it to jam in the record ring alowing the turntable to spin beneath it. A pooint to watch is the record ring has to tight against the back plate, as failure to ensure this can allow the transfer arms to skid behind the record as it is trying to return it to the magazine at end of play thus jamming the mechanism From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Wed Dec 30 04:45:15 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Wed Dec 30 05:48:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C Bass? Message-ID: <6C388F153B2843A2BAA28DCFCCDDA5ED@VistaServer> Hi Ed! I would try a new pair of output tubes, as one shorting would diminish the bass. You could also try replacing the 6SN7 tube as the tone control feeds from the cathode follower. If it is a problem not tube related you would be better to send it back to PR as their nuke and pave approach takes the amp away from it's original schematic design and will be a nightmare to troubleshoot without the correct modified schematic. Case in point, had a Seeburg R last month, customer wanted new side midrange speakers, his were not "working". What was actually the problem was the amp had screeching high's and booming lows but little midrange. Rebuilt the amp back to original design and the R sounded fantastic once again! Mel From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Dec 30 06:07:11 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Dec 30 06:08:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C Bass? In-Reply-To: <8CC5744C1D2AAB4-2324-1A385@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> References: <96779.64128.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CC5744C1D2AAB4-2324-1A385@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Paul and Robin of PR Novelty are both very reputable people. I have met them both many times at the Chicago show. Contact them directly and I am sure they will be accomodating. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: edbap@aol.com Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:02 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C Bass? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Recently delivered a Seeburg C with original amp, rebuilt by PR > Novelty. Customer says the bass takes about 5 minutes to > warm up, then sounds great, for about 15 minutes, then goes bad > again. Sounds like maybe a tube issue. Any > ideas? > Thanks, Ed Baptista > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 30 07:44:25 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 30 07:47:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C Bass? Message-ID: <20091230.104425.21422.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Ed: What you're describing sounds like a tube issue. This kind of problem is usually a thermal one. A tube is failing as it gets really warm. The tubes most likely to cause a loss of bass response but nothing else are the 5U4 rectifier and the 2 6L6 power output tubes. If there is a general volume drop at the same time, it could be caused by one of the earlier amp stage tubes. Last, this kind of problem is indicative of a capacitor failure---shouldn't be happening with a freshly rebuilt amp. Call the servicer regarding a warranty situation. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=UO7OdsbYDBvBMesWZEEizQAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 30 08:22:35 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 30 08:26:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Jukebox by the pound. Message-ID: <20091230.112235.21422.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hi: I wrote about this ad I saw because it was so bizarre. I don't live in the area. The ad was placed in Flint MI Craigslist and has timed out. The seller (it seems) became the reluctant owner of a Seeb LPC480 and has no idea how to appeal to potential juke buyers (heavier is better?) to make a sale. Yes, I know that once serviced and rebuilt, an LPC480 is a decent,dependable workhorse of a jukebox. In this economy,though, I'd be reluctant to make the investment now, as buyers for jukes of this era are really scarce. The usual classic models seem to be selling, but not much else. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Z7Y1VYvQCTM1mLJE_Dw9mAAAJ1ExQK3AKQIRajILJTxHDSGOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From jeremy at dwave.net Wed Dec 30 08:24:36 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Wed Dec 30 08:26:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Packard Manhattan video on youtube (was Packard Manhattan surging volume) In-Reply-To: References: <607098.75402.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20091230162134.M61007@dwave.net> Great Video Mark, Thanks for putting it up. It was great fun for me to see how these really work. Jeremy Agema On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:12:59 1100, mark bowman wrote > David I put a Vid on you tube have a look on > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DeiqA-gwj4 > > > > > Does anyone have a video of one of these operating? ?From > > the still pictures I've seen I think I have a pretty good > > idea what happens to get the record from the rack to the > > turntable, but I'd love to see one in operation. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 30 08:43:19 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 30 08:45:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C Bass? In-Reply-To: <8CC5744C1D2AAB4-2324-1A385@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <309709.40418.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ed, My guess would be same as yours--a heat related problem--this could run anywhere from a poor connection at the speaker plug when hot, to a poor solder joint, or any component that's "heat sensitive". I would attempt to find this by allowing the problem to occur, and then "wiggling" things such as plugs, switches, and tubes.? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/30/09, edbap@aol.com wrote: From: edbap@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C Bass? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 12:53 AM Recently delivered a Seeburg C with original amp, rebuilt by PR Novelty.? Customer says the bass takes about 5 minutes to warm up, then sounds great, for about 15 minutes, then goes bad again.? Sounds like maybe a tube issue.? Any ideas?? Thanks, Ed Baptista _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Searchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From edbap at aol.com Wed Dec 30 09:13:57 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 30 09:16:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C Bass? In-Reply-To: <8CC5744C1D2AAB4-2324-1A385@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC578A9B33FF09-4358-F8B6@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the help to all, I think its a tube issue and will address it today. I have had many amps done by PR Novelty, and have always had good results, good guys, quality work.. Thanks to all. -----Original Message----- From: edbap@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:53 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C Bass? ecently delivered a Seeburg C with original amp, rebuilt by PR Novelty. ustomer says the bass takes about 5 minutes to warm up, then sounds great, for bout 15 minutes, then goes bad again. Sounds like maybe a tube issue. Any deas? hanks, Ed Baptista ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list earchable Archives: http://jukebox.markmail.org/ From menkelis at yahoo.com Wed Dec 30 10:07:11 2009 From: menkelis at yahoo.com (Mike Enkelis) Date: Wed Dec 30 10:08:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My first restoration project - Wurlitzer 5250 In-Reply-To: <20091225.201622.22674.3@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <734265.8456.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I went to 'Home Depot' and bought cable clamps and heat shrink tubing. Needed to replace all cable clamps. Used the tubing to repair lighting wireing where I found it was exposed. I took everything off the the front, and sent it through the dishwasher (no heat cycle) and then used paper towels and WD-40 to remove any left over water. Went to the Radio Shack and replaced the #44 burnt out bulbs with #47 bulbs, as #47 were used elsewhere. Made up a 24VAC power supply so that I could test and adjust the wallbox, and needed to use some WD-40 to loosen up the moter/gear box. After using good "good" machine oil on moter bearing and gear box it just purrs. Next step is to get page springs, I will need 9 and Victory Glass has them for $4 each (ouch). The gray plastic moulding that covers the front "glass" are going to need replacing, so I will see if this is something that the Home Depot might have also. Until I order the service manual, I have no idea how to adjust the coin counter (play-rak) so no matter what coin I drop, I only get one selection. The wall box will eventualy be attached to my 2100 Juke, which has the stepper already installed. --- On Fri, 12/25/09, James Alexander wrote: > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My first restoration project - Wurlitzer 5250 > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Friday, December 25, 2009, 5:16 PM > > > Hello, Mike: > > Welcome to the list.? You'll find lots of people here > that are eager to talk jukeboxes with you. > > To try to quickly answer your questions: > > No problem using a vacuum cleaner and an aerosol can of air > to clean dust and debris.? Make sure there are no loose > small parts to get sucked up or blown away when you do > this. > > For steel surfaces that has stains, mild rust etc.? > Applying a cream-based cleaner "Brasso" or "Noxon" and > wiping off with a shop rag helps. Can also be used to polish > chromed surfaces. > > Steel sliding surfaces were intended to be treated with a > grease based lubricant. Service manual will probably advise > use of "Lubriplate" which is still available.? A more > modern substitute would be to use white lithium grease. > (sold in toothpaste-size tubes at auto-parts stores) > > WD-40 will work as an anti-rust preservative (it's not a > long term lubricant) on unpainted steel surfaces. Afte > cleaning, and repairing of steel surfaces. Apply WD-40 to > these places by spraying first on a paper towel, and > applying the wet towel surfaces to the surfaces needing it. > > You will need to replace rotted wiring,cable clamps, etc if > you intend to apply power to the wall box either just to > light it up, or to make it fully functional and connected to > a master jukebox.? A small, external, fused power > transformer can be connected to a wall outlet, if you want > to make the wallbox light up for appearance's sake, but not > functioning. > > Basic small guage wiring supplies, nylon cable ties, etc > can be found at most home improvement stores (Home Depot, > Lowes, etc)electrical or electronic supply houses.? You > can usually find small, general purpose springs in the > hdwe.dept. at the home supply store. > > The Wurlitzer 5250 is a 200 select wallbox..? These > were brought out in the mid 50's,used with various juke > models of the time through 1964. They were designed to mate > up with Wurlitzer jukebox? models 2000 thru 2800. > > The correct stepper switch accessory is needed to allow the > wall box to communicate with the master jukebox. > > In 1965, the newer 5220 wallboxes were introduced, to be > used with he model 2900 jukes, going forward. > The newer 5220 wallbox series used stepper switch > technology to register selections,like the 5250 model > did.? I don't know whether the 5250 switching sequences > are compatible with the later ('65-up) jukeboxes or not. I > think they were not. > > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Diet Help > Cheap Diet Help Tips.. 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